An Anti-Vaccination Doctor with a ‘Troubling Record’

Health • Views: 3,559

In today’s Chicago Tribune, an exposé of a Chicago doctor who peddles anti-vaccination insanity to patients—along with quack remedies, including a claim that Vitamin D cures autism: Autism doctor: Troubling record trails doctor treating autism.

Dr. Mayer Eisenstein comes across as a grandfatherly physician, a pat-on-the-knee practitioner who delivers babies at home and who’s more likely to recommend chicken soup than an antibiotic.

Warning families that pediatricians and pharmaceutical companies are harming children with unneeded drugs and vaccines, the 63-year-old positions himself as a truth-teller who protects kids by upholding this oath, “Above all, do no harm.”

Yet his suburban Chicago practice, currently known as Homefirst, garnered an alarming record: It was on the losing side of one of the largest U.S. jury verdicts — $30 million — ever awarded to the family of a newborn in a wrongful-death suit.

In court records dating back three decades, the families of dead and brain-damaged children repeatedly alleged that doctors who work for Eisenstein made harmful mistakes — sometimes the same error more than once. His practice also has been dogged by accusations in court records that its offshore malpractice policy was phony.

Despite this history, Eisenstein has cultivated a devoted following as a family doctor who treats patients from birth to old age. He will be a speaker this weekend at the Autism One conference at the Westin O’Hare.

Whether his resonant voice is heard on his weekly radio show, at autism conferences or in an exam room at one of his clinics, he displays a powerful gift of persuasion that can turn his patients into believers in theories that mainstream medicine considers heresy. He proclaims that he’s seen “virtually no autism” in his patient pool of thousands of unvaccinated kids.

More recently, that contrarian impulse has seen him create the Autism Recovery Clinic in Rolling Meadows. He treats autistic children with Lupron, an injectable drug sometimes used to chemically castrate sex offenders. Top endocrinologists and autism experts have dismissed the treatment as junk science.

Eisenstein is not board-certified in any of the specialties relevant to autism and the use of Lupron, including pediatrics, endocrinology, neurology and psychiatry.

But he is a master in the art of medical entrepreneurship. He has pitched vitamins, books and even a group health plan to his patients. His latest don’t-miss-this deal: vitamin D3 and probiotic treatments to prevent swine flu — “A $71 value, YOURS FOR ONLY $39.”

In Eisenstein’s view, vitamin D has amazing powers, even when it comes to autism. In a recent presentation, he summarized his advice to parents succinctly, “No Vaccine and More Vitamin D = No Autism.“

Read the whole thing…

Jump to bottom

241 comments
1 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:25:23pm

Boy, I sure am glad to hear this guy's got it all figured out for us. Who knew?

///

F'ing moron; goddammed snake-oil for parents of autistic children; as special place in Hell for him.

Motel 666: They'll leave a light on for such as him.

2 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:25:30pm

Yet a lot of the anti-vax people will say this is just muck-raking trying to discredit a great doctor.

*SPIT*

3 opnion  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:26:06pm

Oprah might give him a talk show.

4 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:26:40pm

re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet a lot of the anti-vax people will say this is just muck-raking trying to discredit a great doctor.

*SPIT*

Channeling Zoidberg: "As a successful doctor, with many surviving patients..."

5 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:26:58pm

Excellent reporting by the Trib.

6 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:27:05pm

re: #1 Guanxi88

Boy, I sure am glad to hear this guy's got it all figured out for us. Who knew?

///

F'ing moron; goddammed snake-oil for parents of autistic children; as special place in Hell for him.

Motel 666: They'll leave a light on for such as him.

Grifting people at their lowest. Pond scum is highly evolved compared to this bastage.

7 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:27:27pm

Kevin Trudeau's daddy?

8 nikis-knight  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:27:30pm
In Eisenstein’s view, vitamin D has amazing powers, even when it comes to autism

Well, he did invent the theory of relativity...
What? oh, nevermind./
What a jerk. Comparable to John Edwards promising that every cripple will walk when John Kerry is elected president.

9 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:27:41pm

did somebody say "Bad Craziness" is sweeping the land?

10 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:28:02pm

re: #4 Guanxi88

Channeling Zoidberg: "As a successful doctor, with many surviving patients..."

I'd like to give this guy a pogo stick, too. Just not as a gift.

11 snowcrash  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:28:10pm

Dangerous quack.

12 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:28:24pm

re: #6 FurryOldGuyJeans

Grifting people at their lowest. Pond scum is highly evolved compared to this bastage.

Pond scum at least gets eaten by fish and ducks and such. I doubt he provides even that benefit.

13 calcajun  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:28:36pm

re: #9 _RememberTonyC

did somebody say "Bad Craziness" is sweeping the land?

As opposed to the "good craziness" we knew in our youth?

14 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:28:53pm

re: #10 calcajun

I'd like to give this guy a pogo stick, too. Just not as a gift.

That would make an awkward, but amusing, sigmoidoscope.

15 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:28:57pm

If it walks like a duck, and QUACKs like a duck...

Whats next bloodletting as a cure for ADD?

16 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #9 _RememberTonyC

did somebody say "Bad Craziness" is sweeping the land?

Heinlein was more of a prophet than people want to accept. His Future History stories and their description of the Crazy Years is just so dead on.

17 DEZes  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:29:19pm

*QUACK*

18 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:29:31pm

Four words: Medical. Practises. Review. Board.

19 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:29:54pm

Sorry to change the subject but it seems Obama used the Graduation at Annapolis to spew an overtly Political speech:

Upholding values will shield US from terror: Obama

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

"When America strays from our values, it not only undermines the rule of law, it alienates us from our allies, it energizes our adversaries and it endangers our national security and the lives of our troops."

Obama told the graduates they would face a "full spectrum of threats" from 18th century-style piracy to cyber terrorism.

"As long as I am your commander-in-chief, I will only send you into harm?s way when it is absolutely necessary," Obama said, in an apparent veiled criticism of the Bush administration war in Iraq,

Personally I think this was/is way out of line.

20 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:30:12pm

re: #18 NelsFree

Four words: Medical. Practises. Review. Board.

Re: that. Four more words: Don't hold your breath.

21 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:30:28pm

re: #13 calcajun

As opposed to the "good craziness" we knew in our youth?


somethin' like that ...... I don't miss the '70's, but I do miss the '80's.

22 code red 21  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:30:54pm

Well if he owes back taxes maybe he has a position in BO's cabinet in his future as Surgeon General.

23 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:31:07pm

re: #17 DEZes

*QUACK*

Duck this guy, and every other fraud, scamster, and lowlife POS trying to make a buck off the agony of autism by promoting the conditions that will lead to agony of preventable disease.

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:31:14pm

re: #21 _RememberTonyC

somethin' like that ...... I don't miss the '70's, but I do miss the '80's.

Early 60's wasn't so bad, either.

25 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:31:28pm

"As long as I am your commander-in-chief, I will only send you into harm?s way when it is absolutely necessary," Obama said, in an apparent veiled criticism of the Bush administration war in Iraq.

Well that's been too long already.

26 Idle Drifter  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:31:29pm

One duck down, how many more to go?

27 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:31:37pm

re: #20 kansas

Re: that. Four more words: Don't hold your breath.

Were does a joke like this get malpractice from anyway?

28 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:32:20pm

re: #27 Nevergiveup

Were does a joke like this get malpractice from anyway?

I think there is a Nigerian company offering that.

29 brookly red  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:32:36pm

re: #22 code red 21

Well if he owes back taxes maybe he has a position in BO's cabinet in his future as Surgeon General.


well he his is from Chicago...

30 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:32:48pm

If these jackasses succeed in causing a pandemic that kills millions, they will have a lot more to worry about than science advocates saying mean things about them.

31 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:32:50pm

re: #28 kansas

I think there is a Nigerian company offering that.

A Liberian LLC, with HQ in Somalia.

32 turn  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:04pm

OT - sorry dang turn caught the end of a dead thread

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

33 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:13pm

re: #31 Guanxi88

A Liberian LLC, with HQ in Somalia.

Low low rates.

34 LGoPs  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:14pm

re: #19 Nevergiveup

Sorry to change the subject but it seems Obama used the Graduation at Annapolis to spew an overtly Political speech:

Upholding values will shield US from terror: Obama

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

"When America strays from our values, it not only undermines the rule of law, it alienates us from our allies, it energizes our adversaries and it endangers our national security and the lives of our troops."

Obama told the graduates they would face a "full spectrum of threats" from 18th century-style piracy to cyber terrorism.

"As long as I am your commander-in-chief, I will only send you into harm?s way when it is absolutely necessary," Obama said, in an apparent veiled criticism of the Bush administration war in Iraq,

Personally I think this was/is way out of line.

I am sick of this poseur politicizing everything.......
Pontificating and sermonizing is not leadership.

35 code red 21  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:15pm

re: #29 brookly red
Good point

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:21pm

We have faith healers and faith politicians condemning sanity and ignoring reality. What could possibly go wrong?

37 BlueCanuck  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:53pm

Didn't some one link to this quack back when Charles first started posting on the anti-vax craziness?

38 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:54pm

re: #19 Nevergiveup Obama and his fawning elitist fans are indulging in clever smack talk about the Bush administration and have been since The ONe "Won". I sincerely hope that the bulk of voters in flyover country see into this smug and vengeful behavior and see "hope and change" for what it really is during the 2010 and 2012 election cycles.

39 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:57pm

re: #28 kansas

I think there is a Nigerian company offering that.

Ya mean the same one I get mine from?
/

40 JHW  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:33:59pm

I wonder, if he'd been a doc in London, circa 1665,if he'd have kept rats for pets in his house.

41 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:34:07pm

re: #33 kansas

Low low rates.

Send as much as you want, we'll cover you for as much as you need.

42 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:34:12pm

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

We have faith healers and faith politicians condemning sanity and ignoring reality. What could possibly go wrong?

Maybe they need to have their Chi balanced?

43 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:34:32pm

re: #40 JHW

I wonder, if he'd been a doc in London, circa 1665,if he'd have kept rats for pets in his house.

He'd have been killing cats, I bet. Same idea.

44 DEZes  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:34:53pm

"As long as I am your commander-in-chief, I will only send you into harm?s way when it is absolutely necessary,"

Bull Shit!

45 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:34:56pm

re: #42 kansas

Maybe they need to have their Chi balanced?

They already have their Chi-cago well in hand.

46 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:35:01pm

re: #39 Nevergiveup

Ya mean the same one I get mine from?
/

You got their website? I need to renew.

47 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:35:03pm

re: #42 kansas

Maybe they need to have their Chi balanced?

It's spelled "qi", and yeah. they need it balanced.

48 solomonpanting  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:35:11pm
He jokes that his goal in high school at the Chicago Jewish Academy on the North Side was to become "a corrupt, dirty Illinois politician."

It appears as though he may have backed in to that goal.

49 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:35:41pm

re: #31 Guanxi88

A Liberian LLC, with HQ in Somalia.

re: #33 kansas

Low low rates.

Lower overhead means cost-savings.

50 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:35:50pm

re: #44 DEZes

"As long as I am your commander-in-chief, I will only send you into harm?s way when it is absolutely necessary,"

Bull Shit!

He will. The problem is what he will define as necessary.

Can anyone say BJ Clinton and Kosovo?

51 srb1976  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:35:56pm

There are very few things that make me angrier than someone preying on the desperate.

Not just this, but there are so many scams, for cancer patients, people with recently deceased loved ones, anyone desperate, distressed and not thinking clearly, it's so very sad, and evil!

52 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:36:04pm

re: #46 kansas

You got their website? I need to renew.

Yes its at [Link: www.assetsinyourwife'sname.com...] I think.

53 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:36:36pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

It's spelled "qi", and yeah. they need it balanced.


I've seen it both ways, and it doesn't matter cause it doesn't exist anyway.

54 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:36:40pm

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans

Early 60's wasn't so bad, either.


I was young back then ... crazy for me was "Ginger or Mary Ann?"

55 Dianna  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:36:48pm

re: #9 _RememberTonyC

did somebody say "Bad Craziness" is sweeping the land?

Bad craziness has been here a long time.

56 DEZes  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:37:07pm

re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans

He will. The problem is what he will define as necessary.

Can anyone say BJ Clinton and Kosovo?

Oh we are on the same page here. :)

57 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:37:08pm

re: #53 kansas

I've seen it both ways, and it doesn't matter cause it doesn't exist anyway.

Shhh! It's as real as it needs to be; at least until after the bill's paid; then, it's a different matter.

58 DEZes  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:37:45pm

re: #54 _RememberTonyC

I was young back then ... crazy for me was "Ginger or Mary Ann?"

Mary Ann, GRRRRRR.

59 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:37:48pm

re: #53 kansas

I've seen it both ways, and it doesn't matter cause it doesn't exist anyway.

Yeah mister wizard? If Qi doesn't exist then how come I can shoot sparks out of my fingers when I run accross a carpeted room in socks? //

60 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:38:00pm

re: #57 Guanxi88

Shhh! It's as real as it needs to be; at least until after the bill's paid; then, it's a different matter.

Sorry. I'll keep that on the down low. Wouldn't want to upset any believers.

61 Sabnen  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:38:32pm

Eisenstein is not board-certified in any of the specialties relevant to autism and the use of Lupron, including pediatrics, endocrinology, neurology and psychiatry.

re: #18 NelsFree

Four words: Medical. Practises. Review. Board.

Yep, you got that right . . . people can be too trusting to the point they don't do enough back-ground checking homework,

62 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:38:35pm

re: #55 Dianna

Bad craziness has been here a long time.


sad but true

63 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:38:40pm

re: #59 DaddyG

Yeah mister wizard? If Qi doesn't exist then how come I can shoot sparks out of my fingers when I run accross a carpeted room in socks? //

Well I heard if you pee on an electric fence sparks will shoot up to your lizard.

64 code red 21  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:38:41pm

re: #34 LGoPs

I am sick of this poseur politicizing everything.......
Pontificating and sermonizing is not leadership.


The only thing I want to hear from BO is: "I'm resigning as POTUS effective immediately" the rest is just noise.

65 solomonpanting  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:38:48pm

re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans

He will. The problem is what he will define as necessary.

Can anyone say BJ Clinton and Kosovo?

Speaking of WJC, I, at first, misread the headline:

Clinton's sax sold at auction for AIDS research

66 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:39:00pm

re: #60 kansas

Sorry. I'll keep that on the down low. Wouldn't want to upset any believers.

Hey, I make money in part off those folk.

Weird belief, if taken literally, but there are interpretations that treat it as a metaphorical expression of an underlying phenomena-cluster. Yeah, I know, but I got bills.....

67 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:39:03pm
Yet his suburban Chicago practice, currently known as Homefirst, garnered an alarming record: It was on the losing side of one of the largest U.S. jury verdicts — $30 million — ever awarded to the family of a newborn in a wrongful-death suit.

Who in their right mind would go to a doctor that caused the death of a baby?

68 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:39:13pm

re: #58 DEZes

Mary Ann, GRRRRRR.


ditto ... and in real life, she liked to "party."

69 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:39:23pm

re: #65 solomonpanting

Speaking of WJC, I, at first, misread the headline:

Clinton's sax sold at auction for AIDS research

You weren't the only one that had to do a double-take. ;)

70 MJ  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:39:43pm

This guy reminds me of another Chicago quack:

Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. (1926-1988) engaged in irresponsible criticism of the medical profession and science-based health care during most of his medical career. Although he had taught at several medical schools and been chairman of the Illinois state licensing board, Mendelsohn considered himself a "medical heretic." He opposed water fluoridation, immunization, coronary bypass surgery, licensing of nutritionists, and screening examinations to detect breast cancer. One of his books charged that "Modern Medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and they're often more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to treat"; that "around ninety percent of surgery is a waste of time, energy, money and life"; and that most hospitals are so loosely run that "murder is even a clear and present danger..."

[Link: www.quackwatch.com...]

We had a poster here a while back named "clear vision" who promoted this lunatic.
I wonder if both "doctors" were connected?

71 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:40:01pm

re: #63 kansas

Well I heard if you pee on an electric fence sparks will shoot up to your lizard.


My Dad's dog did that when he was a boy. I love hearing tell the story about how for weeks afterward the poor dog would lift his leg, hesitate and kind of whimper every time he had to pee.

72 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:40:10pm

re: #66 Guanxi88

Hey, I make money in part off those folk.

Weird belief, if taken literally, but there are interpretations that treat it as a metaphorical expression of an underlying phenomena-cluster. Yeah, I know, but I got bills.....

Thetans.

73 DEZes  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:40:35pm

re: #68 _RememberTonyC

ditto ... and in real life, she liked to "party."

She always struck me a s the girl that didnt need make up.
Lets party. ;)

74 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:40:42pm

re: #66 Guanxi88

Hey, I make money in part off those folk.

Weird belief, if taken literally, but there are interpretations that treat it as a metaphorical expression of an underlying phenomena-cluster. Yeah, I know, but I got bills.....

You do what you gotta do. Just don't kill anyone doing it.

75 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:40:46pm

re: #65 solomonpanting

Speaking of WJC, I, at first, misread the headline:

Clinton's sax sold at auction for AIDS research


Did Monica blow that too?

~ducks

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:40:47pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

Who in their right mind would go to a doctor that caused the death of a baby?

When the life and health of one's child is at stake sanity is the last thing that gets considered. And scum like this "doctor" get rich from it.

77 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:41:03pm

re: #63 kansas

Well I heard if you pee on an electric fence sparks will shoot up to your lizard.


...and arc between your little green footballs.

(couldn't decide on which response so I used both)

78 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:41:11pm

All Guantanamo Needs Is Some Rebranding, Marketing Executives Say
Could the detainee center at Guantanamo Bay be saved with a drastic rebranding effort? Give it a new name and increased transparency, and some marketing and public relations experts say yes.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Are we fighting a war or is this a PR firm in Washington DC?

79 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:41:40pm

Scum like this have no business in medicine

80 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:41:41pm

re: #73 DEZes

She always struck me a s the girl that didnt need make up.
Lets party. ;)


I think the Professor could have hit that if he wanted ...

81 DEZes  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:42:09pm

re: #71 DaddyG

My Dad's dog did that when he was a boy. I love hearing tell the story about how for weeks afterward the poor dog would lift his leg, hesitate and kind of whimper every time he had to pee.

My dad pissed on an electric fence once, boy was he mad when I couldnt stop laughing.

82 jantjepietje  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:42:21pm

I posted did before in an anti vax thread but I'll do it again just because it's so brilliant

The Jenny McCarthy song

83 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:42:22pm

re: #77 DaddyG

...and arc between your little green footballs.

(couldn't decide on which response so I used both)

Both are good. LOL. I hate that acronym. It's so my 16 year old girl.

84 Gus  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:42:31pm

I wonder what dosages this crackpot delivered. Excessive vitamin D can cause all sorts of liver and kidney problems. At least that's how I understand it.

85 DEZes  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:42:40pm

re: #80 _RememberTonyC

I think the Professor could have hit that if he wanted ...

I would have.

86 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:42:55pm

re: #75 _RememberTonyC

Did Monica blow that too?

~ducks

What is it with you and your obsession about sax with interns? /

87 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:43:19pm

re: #74 kansas

You do what you gotta do. Just don't kill anyone doing it.

I work at a school training TCM practitioners, and the faculty all make apoint about the very real limitations of acupuncture and TCM, and must constantly remind their students about them. Because it's old and exotic, they sort of assume it's magical, which, of course, it's not.

88 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:43:45pm

re: #84 Gus 802

I wonder what dosages this crackpot delivered. Excessive vitamin D can cause all sorts of liver and kidney problems. At least that's how I understand it.

Without saying too much I knew this health nut type who believed in heavy doses of Vitamin A. We had to intervene when she turned orange and her hair began falling out. She didn't make the correlation.

89 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:43:46pm

re: #85 DEZes

I would have.


ditto

90 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:44:08pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

It's spelled "qi", and yeah. they need it balanced.

Honi soit qi mal balance, as the Order of the Garter almost puts it.

91 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:44:23pm

re: #86 DaddyG

What is it with you and your obsession about sax with interns? /


you brought me to my knees with that one ...

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:44:32pm

re: #87 Guanxi88

I work at a school training TCM practitioners, and the faculty all make apoint about the very real limitations of acupuncture and TCM, and must constantly remind their students about them. Because it's old and exotic, they sort of assume it's magical, which, of course, it's not.

TCM? Turner Classic Movies? *scratches head*

93 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:44:45pm

And then there was this earlier in the week:

A Genetic Clue to Why Autism Affects Boys More

More evidence that autism is genetic, not related to vaccinations in any way.

94 solomonpanting  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:45:00pm

Wow! And he still practices medicine:

He said he became passionate about vaccine risks when years ago he listened to Leonard Horowitz, a dentist whose Web site describes him as a "prophet" and is now promoting the theory that bioengineers produced swine flu "in a conspiracy to commit genocide." Horowitz, Eisenstein said, "was talking about AIDS and Ebola and autism and asthma and allergies, and he linked it all to vaccines."

95 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:45:02pm

re: #80 _RememberTonyC

I think the Professor could have hit that if he wanted ...

Instead he played with a broken radio and hung out with Gilligan.

Who says Ellen introduced homosexuality to sit-coms?

96 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:45:28pm

re: #81 DEZes

My dad pissed on an electric fence once, boy was he mad when I couldnt stop laughing.

In Korea, my unit once had to sleep in a cow pasture where the only option at night was to either attempt to walk down a steep hill a good 500ft to piss or try and piss thru an electric fence.

At least 3-4 times a night, "*zzzzzt* FUCK!"

97 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:45:30pm

re: #93 Sharmuta

And then there was this earlier in the week:

A Genetic Clue to Why Autism Affects Boys More

More evidence that autism is genetic, not related to vaccinations in any way.

Facts and logic will not work against people who have self-vaccinated themselves with stupidity.

98 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:45:53pm

re: #91 _RememberTonyC

you brought me to my knees with that one ...

Thank you I'll be here all week. ;-)

99 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:46:02pm

re: #87 Guanxi88

I work at a school training TCM practitioners, and the faculty all make apoint about the very real limitations of acupuncture and TCM, and must constantly remind their students about them. Because it's old and exotic, they sort of assume it's magical, which, of course, it's not.

I attended acupuncture training. With a straight face the instructor told us that in case of a near drowning to insert a needed at CV 1. You might be able to picture that.

100 Gus  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:46:08pm

re: #88 kansas

Without saying too much I knew this health nut type who believed in heavy doses of Vitamin A. We had to intervene when she turned orange and her hair began falling out. She didn't make the correlation.

Yikes. Vitamins are so overrated. Thank goodness vitamin c isn't as toxic since it's water soluble -- considering the massive doses people were taking.

101 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:46:23pm

On the subject of TCM, let me say this - every patient who walks into our clinic with ANY life-threatening condition had damned sure better have a doctor's referral. Back pain, smoking cessation, etc. - glad to help, here's some needles.

Cancer, cardiac conditions, hypertension? 1st question: "Who's your primary care physician; we need to talk before I do anything."

Our dean had a mild heart attack last year. What did he do? Straight to the best cardiologist he could find.

102 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:46:43pm

Motherfucking child murderer.

[very deep breath]

I'm beginning to think that all doctors who want to practice medicine in this country ought to be required to spend AT LEAST six months, preferably a year, in some Third World hellhole where vaccination, clean water and public sanitation systems are absent, just so they can be reminded of the paradise the modern world lives in thanks to the last century of advancements in medical science. Let them see for themselves what it's like to die from TB, or be maimed by a case of measles, or have children cut down by the hundreds each year by diseases we here in the West don't even remember. It's a win-win: it would rapidly flood this country with medical professional who have seen the ravages of preventable diseases running unchecked firsthand; and it would provide sorely needed medical expertise to those parts of the world which so desperately need it. The delta expense on a medical degree would be minimal; the return to our own society, and those served, would be beyond price.

103 DEZes  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:46:44pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In Korea, my unit once had to sleep in a cow pasture where the only option at night was to either attempt to walk down a steep hill a good 500ft to piss or try and piss thru an electric fence.

At least 3-4 times a night, "*zzzzzt* FUCK!"

LMAO.

104 Guanxi88  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:47:24pm

re: #99 kansas

I attended acupuncture training. With a straight face the instructor told us that in case of a near drowning to insert a needed at CV 1. You might be able to picture that.

Well, unless you're dead, that should wake you up pretty fast!

105 Alaska Kim  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:47:53pm

Good afternoon folks. Got lots of deer and ballsy wolves out and about. Anyone visiting AK this year?

106 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:48:23pm

re: #95 DaddyG

Instead he played with a broken radio and hung out with Gilligan.

Who says Ellen introduced homosexuality to sit-coms?


actually, the Professor was quite a guy ... [Link: www.nndb.com...]

107 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:48:23pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In Korea, my unit once had to sleep in a cow pasture

"In [non-]Soviet Korea, cow tips you!"

-Yakov Kim

108 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:48:46pm

re: #98 DaddyG

Thank you I'll be here all week. ;-)

{rimshot}

109 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:48:48pm

The antivax craze is yet another product of Madison Avenue's obsessive promotion of the mythical natural/artificial dichotomy. Vaccines aren't "natural" so, in the minds of media conformist consumer units, there has to be some "natural" alternative. There is. It is called "high infant mortality" and it is as natural as the periodic die-off among herd beasts.

110 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:49:12pm

re: #97 FurryOldGuyJeans

Facts and logic will not work against people who have self-vaccinated themselves with stupidity.

I know. The stalker blogs are proof of that.

111 MJ  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:49:13pm

re: #70 MJ

This guy reminds me of another Chicago quack:

Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. (1926-1988) engaged in irresponsible criticism of the medical profession and science-based health care during most of his medical career. Although he had taught at several medical schools and been chairman of the Illinois state licensing board, Mendelsohn considered himself a "medical heretic." He opposed water fluoridation, immunization, coronary bypass surgery, licensing of nutritionists, and screening examinations to detect breast cancer. One of his books charged that "Modern Medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and they're often more dangerous than the diseases they're designed to treat"; that "around ninety percent of surgery is a waste of time, energy, money and life"; and that most hospitals are so loosely run that "murder is even a clear and present danger..."

[Link: www.quackwatch.com...]

We had a poster here a while back named "clear vision" who promoted this lunatic.
I wonder if both "doctors" were connected?

Knew it!

...In 1970, Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., my pediatrics professor and godfather to my six children, believed in the value of vaccinations. After 1970, he began to question the general value of mass immunization. In 1971, he stopped administering the Measles, Mumps, Rubella Vaccine (MMR), by 1973, he gave up on the Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus Vaccine (DPT) and by 1976 he gave up on the Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV). By 1989 Dr. Mendelsohn no longer recommended any vaccines. ..


[Link: www.expertclick.com...]

112 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:49:50pm

re: #18 NelsFree

Four words: Medical. Practises. Review. Board.

Why the hell hasn't that happened yet? Why is this butcher still allowed to practice medicine?

113 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:49:53pm

re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans

He will. The problem is what he will define as necessary.

Can anyone say BJ Clinton and Kosovo?

Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic were (and in some cases still are) fascist scum festering in the soft underbelly of Europe, which didn't have the cojones to deal with them. They marched 8000 Srebrenicans into the woods under the noses of UN 'peacekeepers' and massacred them. They set up the first concentation camps in Europe since the Reich. And in a 2 year siege, Serbian snipers slaughtered 1300 Sarajevans (and that's just counting the children).

Today, Kosovo is the most pro-US majoprity Muslim nation this side of the Kurds.

I'm damn glad that Clinton stepped up to the plate and did what had to be done. Just like I am with Dubya and Iraq.

114 pingjockey  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:50:01pm

re: #102 SixDegrees

That would get some people attention real fast. I'v been to alot of places like that and the worst hospital in the US is better than most in the 3rd world. Then get out of town, into the countryside and see real horror.

115 zombie  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:50:18pm
He treats autistic children with Lupron, an injectable drug sometimes used to chemically castrate sex offenders. Top endocrinologists and autism experts have dismissed the treatment as junk science.

Lupron? For kids?

A 2005 paper suggested it as a treatment for autism,[4] the hypothetical method of action being the now defunct theory that autism is caused by mercury, with the additional assumption that mercury binds irreversibly to testosterone and therefore leuprolide can help cure autism by lowering the testosterone level and thereby the mercury level.[5] However, used on children or adolescents it could cause disastrous and irreversible damage to sexual functioning, and there is no scientifically valid or reliable research to show its effectiveness in treating autism.[6] Mark Geier, the proponent of the hypothesis, has frequently been barred from testifying in vaccine-autism related cases on the grounds of not being sufficiently expert in that particular issue.[7][8][9]

This guy needs to have his license revoked ASAP.

116 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:50:23pm

re: #102 SixDegrees

Motherfucking child murderer.

That's what I thought too.

117 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:50:37pm

re: #106 _RememberTonyC

actually, the Professor was quite a guy ... [Link: www.nndb.com...]

It's amazing how these actors whom We Of A Certain Generation associate with silly sitcoms from the 60s, went through things during the War that we cannot even imagine. Another example: Eddie Albert from "Green Acres"... former USMC, veteran of the nightmarish invasion of Tarawa.

118 DaddyG  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:51:06pm

The reports are done, the office has been empty for an hour and I'm going on a date with my beautiful bride of 21 years and 21 days.

The kids inform me that Monday's activities will include a giant slip and slide made from plastic tarps and a garden hose. I look forward to the adventure and pray no lives are lost to turf rash.

Enjoy your cookouts and thank a vet for the freedom to enjoy them!

See ya later lizards!

119 Baier  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:51:12pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel

The antivax craze is yet another product of Madison Avenue's obsessive promotion of the mythical natural/artificial dichotomy.

As a Madison Avenue elitist, I take exception to that. Most of us just want to sell soap. (Office supplies in my case).

120 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:52:04pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

It's amazing how these actors whom We Of A Certain Generation associate with silly sitcoms from the 60s, went through things during the War that we cannot even imagine. Another example: Eddie Albert from "Green Acres"... former USMC, veteran of the nightmarish invasion of Tarawa.

Correction: USN, not USMC.

121 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:52:29pm

re: #119 Baier

As a Madison Avenue elitist, I take exception to that. Most of us just want to sell soap. (Office supplies in my case).

Is it organically produced "green" office supplies?

/

122 Shug  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:52:30pm
“Above all, do no harm.”

So Einstein, take your own advice and STFU

123 snowcrash  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:52:42pm

He is a liar too. He lied about being faculty at a training program and he lied about continuing ed contact hours. The whole article and his approach to medicine is upsetting.

124 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:52:49pm

re: #119 Baier

As a Madison Avenue elitist, I take exception to that. Most of us just want to sell soap. (Office supplies in my case).

As long as they're made from natural materials, that's ok.

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:53:26pm

re: #113 Salamantis

Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic were (and in some cases still are) fascist scum festering in the soft underbelly of Europe, which didn't have the cojones to deal with them. They marched 8000 Srebrenicans into the woods under the noses of UN 'peacekeepers' and massacred them. They set up the first concentation camps in Europe since the Reich. And in a 2 year siege, Serbian snipers slaughtered 1300 Sarajevans (and that's just counting the children).

Today, Kosovo is the most pro-US majoprity Muslim nation this side of the Kurds.

I'm damn glad that Clinton stepped up to the plate and did what had to be done. Just like I am with Dubya and Iraq.

The thing is that Clinton promoted it as something of vital and immediate importance to US interests, which it wasn't. I applaud what Clinton did, not the rationale used to get us there. He should have from the start used humanitarian reasons as why we should go in.

126 zombie  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:53:41pm

Ah H! The money angle comes in:

Introduction
Testosterone regulation involves using a drug, such as leuprolide, to reduce the amount of testosterone and oestrogen in your body.

Some people think this will help reduce sexually inappropriate behaviour.

Other people think that reducing the level of testosterone will reduce the toxicity of any mercury in your body.

They think this is helpful because they also believe that autism is caused by mercury poisoning.

Opinion
Leuprolide is a very strong drug, designed to change the hormonal balance in men and women. Used on children or adolescents, it could cause disastrous and irreversible damage to sexual functioning.

It is also very expensive, with some providers charging between £125 and £1,000 – or $250 and $2,000 – per injection.

There is no scientifically valid or reliable research to show that Leuprolide is effective in reducing any of the problem behaviours associated with autism.

For all of these reasons we believe that Leuprolide should not be used to treat individuals with autism, unless and only if it is used to treat disorders, such as prostate cancer, for which it was designed.

$2,000 buck per shot -- hell, if I was a charlatan, I'd be prescribing the stuff too.

127 Baier  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:53:46pm

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is it organically produced "green" office supplies?

/

My firm will sell anything you pay us too sell!

128 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:54:04pm

re: #104 Guanxi88

Well, unless you're dead, that should wake you up pretty fast!

I can picture Sam Kinnison riffing on that one.

129 Shug  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:54:06pm

The pleural of anecdotal evidence is not data

130 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:54:54pm

re: #127 Baier

My firm will sell anything you pay us too sell!

Anything?

/evil grin

131 Shug  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:55:16pm
"No Vaccine and More Vitamin D = No Autism.“

No , you get The Measles and hypervitaminosis D

132 Baier  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:56:05pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anything?

/evil grin

I'm just a cog in a big wheel of pushers.

133 pingjockey  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:56:25pm

This fool is damn dangerous. Why in hell does he still have a license?

134 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:56:27pm

re: #131 Shug

No , you get The Measles and hypervitaminosis D

Well, you die before autism can be diagnosed, so its can't be disproved.

/

135 Sparmageddon  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:56:44pm

He may be a Doctor but he's no Albert Eisenstein.

136 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:56:56pm

re: #120 Occasional Reader

Correction: USN, not USMC.

Well when attacking a beach in the Pacific in WW2 under enemy fire, that distinction often did not matter. Especially if you were a Navy Corpsman.

137 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:57:04pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

It's amazing how these actors whom We Of A Certain Generation associate with silly sitcoms from the 60s, went through things during the War that we cannot even imagine. Another example: Eddie Albert from "Green Acres"... former USMC, veteran of the nightmarish invasion of Tarawa.


Those of us in our early 50's and younger have no idea how blessed we have been. That is why I am so grateful to all the Vets who are far better human beings than I could ever hope to be.

138 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:57:05pm

re: #133 pingjockey

This fool is damn dangerous. Why in hell does he still have a license?

I would think his insurance would drop him by this point.

139 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:57:11pm

re: #125 FurryOldGuyJeans

The thing is that Clinton promoted it as something of vital and immediate importance to US interests, which it wasn't. I applaud what Clinton did, not the rationale used to get us there. He should have from the start used humanitarian reasons as why we should go in.

It's also interesting how the Kosovo intervention (and earlier Balkan intervention) would utterly fail on the same grounds the Left went on to attack Bush with regarding Iraq. (To wit: NO permission slip from the UN, NO evidence whatsoever of WMD development, NO evidence of association with anti-US terrorists.)

That said, I supported the interventions then, and do so now.

140 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:57:17pm

re: #125 FurryOldGuyJeans

The thing is that Clinton promoted it as something of vital and immediate importance to US interests, which it wasn't. I applaud what Clinton did, not the rationale used to get us there. He should have from the start used humanitarian reasons as why we should go in.

It was also in our national security interest. We needed to end the conflagration, for fear that it would spread and destabilize the rest of Europe, because when that happens, it costs the US dearly in blood and treasure. Fascism never seems to stay where it starts.

141 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:57:21pm

re: #129 Shug

The pleural of anecdotal evidence is not data

It's just a big empty space where the lungs go.

142 albusteve  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:57:29pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

It's amazing how these actors whom We Of A Certain Generation associate with silly sitcoms from the 60s, went through things during the War that we cannot even imagine. Another example: Eddie Albert from "Green Acres"... former USMC, veteran of the nightmarish invasion of Tarawa.

my dad went in on Tarawa, second wave, over the reefs

143 MacDuff  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:57:30pm

re: #15 DaddyG

If it walks like a duck, and QUACKs like a duck...
Whats next bloodletting as a cure for ADD?

Theodoric of York, Medeival Barber!

144 Shug  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:57:40pm
Eisenstein has cultivated a devoted following
145 Shug  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:58:17pm

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's just a big empty space where the lungs go.

hah.
I missed the typo

clever!

146 pingjockey  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:58:29pm

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I would've thought his insurance would've dropped him after a 30 million dollar payout!

147 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:58:43pm

re: #142 albusteve

my dad went in on Tarawa, second wave, over the reefs

I imagine that after that, pretty much everything else in life looks like gravy.

148 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:58:55pm

re: #15 DaddyG

If it walks like a duck, and QUACKs like a duck...

Whats next bloodletting as a cure for ADD?

I've found this works well for ADD

149 Baier  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:59:18pm

re: #144 Shug

Of course, his ideas are infectious.

150 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:59:42pm

re: #114 pingjockey

That would get some people attention real fast. I'v been to alot of places like that and the worst hospital in the US is better than most in the 3rd world. Then get out of town, into the countryside and see real horror.

Failing that, I think the CDC and the Surgeon General need to mobilize against this crap, full force and right away. Pull out the pictures and films of people suffering from scarlet fever, smallpox, whooping cough and other diseases that are now completely forgotten thanks to vaccines, and shove them in the face of everyone in the country. Flash them on every television screen on every channel; pass out pamphlets in every school and doctor's office; pay attractive, well spoken doctors to go on the talk show circuit and ram the past down people's throats until they choke on it.

The world just three generations ago was an entirely different world, where death stalked childhood mercilessly and those who evaded it were often crippled and scarred for life. A visit to any cemetery with graves going back not even a century tells a grim tale - it will be filled with children, outnumbering the adults interred there by several times. It is like some depraved horror story compared to the world we live in today, and these assholes want to bring that world back.

Fuck them and everyone who looks, sounds or smells like them.

151 Shug  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:59:42pm

re: #7 kansas

Kevin Trudeau's daddy?


Dangerous medical practices THEY don't want you to know about

152 Opilio  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:59:45pm

re: #112 SixDegrees

Why the hell hasn't that happened yet? Why is this butcher still allowed to practice medicine?

From the Illinois Division of Professional Regulation:

Name: MAYER EISENSTEIN MD
License#: 036048275
Status:ACTIVE
City, State: CHICAGO, IL
Original Issue: 09/19/1973
Current Exp.: 07/31/2011
Ever Disciplined: N

153 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:59:53pm

I'm off. Have a great Memorial Day weekend.

154 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 2:59:55pm

re: #146 pingjockey

I would've thought his insurance would've dropped him after a 30 million dollar payout!

Well if I read between the lines, the jury verdict was 30 million, but the guy has a bogus off shore insurance company. So I doubt there was a pay out.

155 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:00:46pm

re: #139 Occasional Reader

It's also interesting how the Kosovo intervention (and earlier Balkan intervention) would utterly fail on the same grounds the Left went on to attack Bush with regarding Iraq. (To wit: NO permission slip from the UN, NO evidence whatsoever of WMD development, NO evidence of association with anti-US terrorists.)

That said, I supported the interventions then, and do so now.

Apparently, Clinton didn't need any of the things that Dubya went and got - things that were still not good enough. The only reason for the disconnect that I can see is that Clinton is a Democrat while Dubya is a Republican. But Republicans opposed the Balkan mission, too, and for reasons just as nakedly political as those the Dems used to oppose toppling Saddam in Iraq. It was not their finest hour, to say the least.

156 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:00:59pm

re: #142 albusteve

my dad went in on Tarawa, second wave, over the reefs

One grandfather was a flamethrower man in the Pacific campaign, the other artillery in Europe. Granduncle was a submariner in the Pacific.

157 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:01:08pm

re: #55 Dianna
OT: Dianna, last night we discussed the Tides Foundation. I was critical of it because they were involved with ACORN. You wrote, "don't go overboard. Read their annual report." I said I would, and hugged you. (Remember last night? That hug? Oh, Dianna!)
I digress. I took time to read their website. It includes:
1. Info on how non-profits (i.e., ACORN) can obtain Stimulus funding.
2. An article on "Reproductive Justice" (i.e., abortion on demand) that includes:
A new movement has taken shape in the U.S. led by women of color, young women, poor women, lesbians, bi- and transgender people, immigrant women, incarcerated women—people who at one time were consigned to the margins of society. And this movement is winning victories conventional wisdom said were not possible. The reproductive justice movement sits at the intersection of reproductive issues, LGBT rights, environmental justice, ending violence against women, HIV prevention, and more. So, with the faltering economy and rising unemployment, why is reproductive justice important now? Because:
Its racially and generationally diverse leadership and base reflect the nation's changing demographics
Women directly affected by reproductive injustices are leading the efforts to transform systems that impact their lives
Its strong links to social justice issues inspire movements like those for labor and the environment to stand up for women in an unprecedented way.

3. A recent victory in reproductive rights, to wit: "From Tides grantee National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health: Obama Administration Moves to Rescind Bush Administration HHS Regulation that undermined women's health by allowing health professionals to deny basic services they personally deemed morally questionable." (i.e., abortion)
4. Propaganda published by the Tides Foundation includes: "CA's Prop 4 would have mandated that teens obtain parental consent in order to access an abortion, a regulation which can lead to delayed medical care, self-induced abortions, even suicide. After successfully organizing to defeat the proposition, Tides grantee Asian Communities for Reproductive Justice produced How We Defeated Prop 4: Reproductive Justice at the Ballot Box." (i.e., Tides helped prevent parents being notified if their daughter was having an abortion.)
5. The mission statement says, "Our mission is to partner with philanthropists, foundations, activists, and organizations across the country and across the globe to promote economic justice, robust democratic processes, and the opportunity to live in a healthy and sustainable environment where human rights are preserved and protected."

Dianna, I cannot support or encourage such an organization. I don't need to read their annual report.
This Tide has washed me overboard. By the way, tides usually don't do that, either. Rogue waves do.
So, I have to say this:

I'm not giving you a hug this time! Be strong, the psychic scars will heal.

-NelsFree

158 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #140 Salamantis

It was also in our national security interest. We needed to end the conflagration, for fear that it would spread and destabilize the rest of Europe, because when that happens, it costs the US dearly in blood and treasure. Fascism never seems to stay where it starts.

And Iraq was in our national security interest, and that was shouted-down by the Left.

The IMMEDIATE concern was not there, it was long term. The interventions were needed, but Clinton hung the wrong reasons on it.

159 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:01:28pm

re: #154 kansas

Well if I read between the lines, the jury verdict was 30 million, but the guy has a bogus off shore insurance company. So I doubt there was a pay out.

Well then they could have gone after him personally. Maybe all his assets are in someone else's name?

160 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:01:32pm
161 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:01:37pm

LUPRON? for Kids?

What quack!

162 albusteve  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:01:53pm

re: #147 Occasional Reader

I imagine that after that, pretty much everything else in life looks like gravy.

his own words almost exactly...very astute observation...and he fought on Saipan where the division was utterly shot to pieces....Tarawa freaked him out tho...

163 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:02:04pm

re: #116 Sharmuta

That's what I thought too.

Sorry, but this topic really, really upsets me. I can't even begin to describe what I would like to do to this asshole.

164 pingjockey  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:02:05pm

re: #154 kansas
Ah ha! That's what I get for not reading the article!

165 Gus  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:02:45pm

What do you know, and endorsement of Mayer Mayer Eisenstein by one of Oprah viewers:

Look at HOMEFIRST HEALTH SERVICES in metropolitain Chicago . Their founder and medical director , Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, is a christian doctor who does not vaccinate. They have delivered over 15 000 babies and have about 30 000 to 35 000 children in their practice and never reported a single case of Autism just like the Amish who have not been vaccinated. Further, most diseases that we vaccinate for were already in dramatic decline BEFORE the vaccine was mandated. For example, Measles had declined in 1940 and vaccination started in 1962.

166 kansas  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:02:58pm

re: #164 pingjockey

Ah ha! That's what I get for not reading the article!

I'm always getting whacked around here for misreading shit. You guys are great today. I'm headed home.

167 JHW  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:03:42pm

re: #150 SixDegrees

Amen. I remember in grade school being terrified of going to the local hospital for anything, even a check-up, because of all the iron lungs in use. And the many schoolmates crippled to one extent or another with Polio.

168 solomonpanting  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:03:45pm

re: #146 pingjockey

I would've thought his insurance would've dropped him after a 30 million dollar payout!

After Nathan Howey's death, Weiss Hospital sued Homefirst, Rosi and Eisenstein for fraud, alleging they misrepresented their Caribbean-based malpractice policy. Eisenstein testified that he was in St. Kitts helping one of his daughters, a veterinary student there, buy a condo when the lawyer who helped arrange the sale told Eisenstein he also sold malpractice insurance.

169 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:03:53pm

re: #158 FurryOldGuyJeans

And Iraq was in our national security interest, and that was shouted-down by the Left.

The IMMEDIATE concern was not there, it was long term. The interventions were needed, but Clinton hung the wrong reasons on it.

Iraq could have waited a while, too. But neither of them should have waited, because the longer the wait, the more difficult and costly the mission. Going in when we did was the right thing to do, in both cases, despite the politically motivated attacks on both actions from differing sides of the aisle.

170 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:03:57pm

re: #139 Occasional Reader

It's also interesting how the Kosovo intervention (and earlier Balkan intervention) would utterly fail on the same grounds the Left went on to attack Bush with regarding Iraq. (To wit: NO permission slip from the UN, NO evidence whatsoever of WMD development, NO evidence of association with anti-US terrorists.)

That said, I supported the interventions then, and do so now.

The Left PRAISED Clinton with Kosovo and the Balkans for actually doing everything they condemned Bush for doing with Iraq.

Politics trumps consistency.

171 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:03:59pm

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One grandfather was a flamethrower man in the Pacific campaign, the other artillery in Europe. Granduncle was a submariner in the Pacific.

As I have said before my Dad was on Iwo Jima 4th Marines. My wife's uncle was in Patton's 3rd Army. My Uncle was in the Navy in the Pacific.

172 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:04:05pm

re: #164 pingjockey

Ah ha! That's what I get for not reading the article!

Read? The article? Wha.....?

173 albusteve  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:05:23pm

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One grandfather was a flamethrower man in the Pacific campaign, the other artillery in Europe. Granduncle was a submariner in the Pacific.

every one a tough guy imo...my dad's stories were just what you'd imagine, he was just blown away by the death and destruction...he was hit by a grenade that he actually saw tossed at him...he was 20yrs old...I'll stop

174 pingjockey  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:05:24pm

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Heh!

175 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #54 _RememberTonyC

I was young back then ... crazy for me was "Ginger or Mary Ann?"

Poll!
A) Ginger
B) Mary Ann
C) Ron Paul!
/s

176 albusteve  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:06:25pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup

As I have said before my Dad was on Iwo Jima 4th Marines. My wife's uncle was in Patton's 3rd Army. My Uncle was in the Navy in the Pacific.

the 4th on Iwo got hammered...he's very lucky to have survived that fight

177 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:06:43pm

Well I'm sitting down to watch Yanks-Phillies and Sox-Mets. I'm gonna need 3 hands to type, drink, and push the button on the TV remote.

178 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:06:43pm

re: #170 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Left PRAISED Clinton with Kosovo and the Balkans for actually doing everything they condemned Bush for doing with Iraq.

Politics trumps consistency.

And the Right CONDEMNED Clinton with Bosnia and Kosovo for actually doing everything they PRAISED Bush for doing in Iraq.

Partisan political hypocrisy concerning foreign military actions has been a two way street in our nation lately.

179 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:07:09pm

re: #169 Salamantis

Iraq could have waited a while, too. But neither of them should have waited, because the longer the wait, the more difficult and costly the mission. Going in when we did was the right thing to do, in both cases, despite the politically motivated attacks on both actions from differing sides of the aisle.

The immediate national security issue was what should have waited, the humanitarian issue was long over-due with both theaters.

Clinton's framing of the reasons for the interventions was disingenuous, the actual reasons for going were not.

180 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:07:39pm

re: #163 SixDegrees

Sorry, but this topic really, really upsets me. I can't even begin to describe what I would like to do to this asshole.

I can relate. People who harm children get no quarter from me.

181 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #152 Opilio

From the Illinois Division of Professional Regulation:

Name: MAYER EISENSTEIN MD
License#: 036048275
Status:ACTIVE
City, State: CHICAGO, IL
Original Issue: 09/19/1973
Current Exp.: 07/31/2011
Ever Disciplined: N

OK, I have to stop now. There's a vein throbbing on the side of my head that is starting to look dangerous.

I'm thinking this agency needs to get a letter from me. Thanks for the info.

182 pingjockey  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:07:58pm

re: #178 Salamantis
Yep. Not what's right or correct but what color is the politics. Goddamn assholes.

183 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:08:03pm

re: #178 Salamantis

And the Right CONDEMNED Clinton with Bosnia and Kosovo for actually doing everything they PRAISED Bush for doing in Iraq.

Partisan political hypocrisy concerning foreign military actions has been a two way street in our nation lately.

The only condemnation I have for Clinton is how he framed the issues involved.

184 MJ  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:08:21pm

Note the connection to Jenny McCarthy:

"Well known people such as actress Jenny McCarthy, who claims her son became autistic from a combination of mandated vaccines, are calling for more studies into the effects of so many vaccinations administered to children in their first few years. Is it possible that thousands of autistic children have been rendered this way because of an overbearing mandate from the government? Below is an informative article by Dr. Eisenstein. For more info on Eisenstein go to [Link: www.homefirst.com"...]

Dr. Mayer Eisenstein Continues Campaign Warning about Vaccination Dangers, Says Don’t Vaccinate Before You Educate Hollywood, CA Monday, July 14, 2008

[Link: www.expertclick.com...]

185 albusteve  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:08:31pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

I can relate. People who harm children get no quarter from me.

they get me deleted...I cannot speak my mind

186 Gus  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:09:17pm

re: #152 Opilio

From the Illinois Division of Professional Regulation:

Name: MAYER EISENSTEIN MD
License#: 036048275
Status:ACTIVE
City, State: CHICAGO, IL
Original Issue: 09/19/1973
Current Exp.: 07/31/2011
Ever Disciplined: N

You know. I was thinking that might be the case.

Amazing.

187 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:10:22pm

Failed New York Terror Plot Widens Debate Over Closing Guantanamo
The arrest of four terror suspects in New York Wednesday night provided evidence to some lawmakers that releasing any of the 240 detainees at Guantanamo into the U.S. federal prison system would further endanger national security.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

It's amazing that we here saw that problem way before our "elected" officials? Inspires confidence ha?

188 snowcrash  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:10:43pm

re: #142 albusteve
Amazing battle history. I am embarrassed to say before my husband was stationed at Camp Lejeune, where an enlisted housing area is named Tarawa Terrace, I never heard of it. Guadalcanal and Iwo were better known.

189 nikis-knight  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:11:28pm

re: #139 Occasional Reader

It's also interesting how the Kosovo intervention (and earlier Balkan intervention) would utterly fail on the same grounds the Left went on to attack Bush with regarding Iraq. (To wit: NO permission slip from the UN, NO evidence whatsoever of WMD development, NO evidence of association with anti-US terrorists.)

That said, I supported the interventions then, and do so now.

Of course, of course. But how many times can one point out inconsistency without concluding that it is in fact rank power-hungry hypocrisy?

190 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:11:46pm

re: #179 FurryOldGuyJeans

The immediate national security issue was what should have waited, the humanitarian issue was long over-due with both theaters.

Clinton's framing of the reasons for the interventions was disingenuous, the actual reasons for going were not.

Likewise, Bush should have just come out and said we cannot leave Saddam in power, because the longer we do, the more dangerous he becomes, and the harder he will be to deal with. It wasn't a case of overwhelming national danger if we didn't do it right then, but it would have progressively become one at the same time that doing something about it would have become progressively more difficult - which is why it would have to be done eventually anyway, and it was better to do it sooner than later. Bush should have explained it in those terms, and he didn't.

191 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:12:02pm

re: #185 albusteve

they get me deleted...I cannot speak my mind

Yes- I'm using a lot of restraint.

192 Lincolntf  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:12:03pm

I was just watching ESPN. Michael Vick is going to work on a construction crew (10 bucks an hour) for two months as part of his early-release conditions.
Apart from all of his character issues, that is one dude who would actually be useful around a job-site. Too many flabby union guys and clueless "newbies" out there who don't want to/know how to actually swing a hammer.
Let's hope 8 weeks of life in the real world wakes him up a little.

193 pingjockey  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:12:07pm

re: #187 Nevergiveup
Yep. Confidence in our anti terror folks. Not in obambi or the Hill.

194 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:12:44pm

re: #188 snowcrash

Amazing battle history. I am embarrassed to say before my husband was stationed at Camp Lejeune, where an enlisted housing area is named Tarawa Terrace, I never heard of it. Guadalcanal and Iwo were better known.

The Marine Corp and the Navy learned alot about Amphibious landings by screwing up the recon and tides at Tarawa.

195 SixDegrees  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:13:28pm

re: #185 albusteve

they get me deleted...I cannot speak my mind

Same here.

Let's just say that cheese graters, salt and lemon juice leap to mind.

196 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:13:58pm

re: #192 Lincolntf

Who gives a shit? He abuses animals. He's a prick.

197 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:14:24pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

It's amazing how these actors whom We Of A Certain Generation associate with silly sitcoms from the 60s, went through things during the War that we cannot even imagine. Another example: Eddie Albert from "Green Acres"... former USMC, veteran of the nightmarish invasion of Tarawa.


Many Hollywood actors joined the Military during WW2, to wit:

[Link: www.jodavidsmeyer.com...]

I heard (will hunt for a link) that the Roosevelt Administration wanted Congressional hearings on Hollywood because: They were too pro-war!
/How things have changed.
/Change!

198 alegrias  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:14:47pm

re: #178 Salamantis

And the Right CONDEMNED Clinton with Bosnia and Kosovo for actually doing everything they PRAISED Bush for doing in Iraq.

Partisan political hypocrisy concerning foreign military actions has been a two way street in our nation lately.

* * * * *
Not true of all on the right. After seeing ITN footage of concentration camps in Bosnia, I called the Clinton White House to demand the US condemn those bastards, and DO SOMETHING to stop the atrocities. First time I ever called a politician.

199 Kragar  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:15:31pm

re: #195 SixDegrees

Same here.

Let's just say that cheese graters, salt and lemon juice leap to mind.

Toenail clippers, weed eater, Dremel, 1qt of rubbing alcohol

200 nikis-knight  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:15:36pm

re: #190 Salamantis
That's pretty much what "immanent threat" means; without changing something, it will pose a danger to us though it doesn't yet.

201 albusteve  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:17:00pm

re: #188 snowcrash

Amazing battle history. I am embarrassed to say before my husband was stationed at Camp Lejeune, where an enlisted housing area is named Tarawa Terrace, I never heard of it. Guadalcanal and Iwo were better known.

Tarawa was the ugliest, hand to hand, in your face brawl you could ever imagine...the casualties were drastic...just inhuman...then it happened again, over and over...what they asked the Marines to do in the Pacific was simply beyond the pale, but they did it

202 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:17:11pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

It's amazing how these actors whom We Of A Certain Generation associate with silly sitcoms from the 60s, went through things during the War that we cannot even imagine. Another example: Eddie Albert from "Green Acres"... former USMC, veteran of the nightmarish invasion of Tarawa.

James Doohan, Scotty of Original Star Trek fame, was part of the D-Day invasion of Normandy, and nearly died from friendly fire.

The gift of freedom we have been bequeathed by the Greatest Generation has been soiled by those followed.

203 Lincolntf  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:17:34pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

Of course he's a prick. But, like virtually every other criminal out there, he's going to be living in someone's neighborhood. Maybe yours or mine.
As for the animal abuse, I can't even think about it.
Intellectually I know that the wife-beaters and murderous drunk drivers in sports are worse, but the abuse of animals puts me in a red rage.

204 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:17:35pm

Face it: When Clinton did the right thing in the Balkans, the Repubs jumped on him for it, and they shouldn't have. Likewise, when Bush did the right thing in Iraq, the Dems jumped on him for it, and they shouldn't have. The attempt to distinguish between these two just so someone can snark a little more partisan political sniping nauseates and disgusts me, because that kind of blatant zero-sum partisanship, that places political warfare above the national security interests of our nation, is precisely the goddamned problem - from BOTH sides.

205 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:17:50pm

re: #146 pingjockey

I would've thought his insurance would've dropped him after a 30 million dollar payout!

re: #168 solomonpanting

After Nathan Howey's death, Weiss Hospital sued Homefirst, Rosi and Eisenstein for fraud, alleging they misrepresented their Caribbean-based malpractice policy. Eisenstein testified that he was in St. Kitts helping one of his daughters, a veterinary student there, buy a condo when the lawyer who helped arrange the sale told Eisenstein he also sold malpractice insurance.

So did they get the money? If not, there are a lot of assets to attach. How many are still in the US is another question, though.

206 Gus  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:18:26pm

Look out! It's a full office of kooks.

[Link: www.homefirst.com...]

207 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:19:13pm

re: #178 Salamantis

While I don't want to get into a slugfest, there is one strategic difference between Clinton's Kosovo Campaign and Bush's Iraq War. Clinton did not want to commit major ground forces so he authorized precision bombing. the Serbs were typicaly able to construct "tanks" out of plywood and bedsheets that were targeted by USAF munitions. It was determined after the conflict settled down that the air campaign had been largely ineffective. Only when ground troops occupied the land did things calm down.

208 FightingBack  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:21:33pm

90% of my patients with infants question vaccines at the first visit. About half of them never return when I make it clear that vaccines are scheduled for the subsequent visit. As i've posted before, after more gentle types of persuasion, and education, I ask them to sign a waiver that states that they are aware of the deliberate increased risks they are taking by refusing vaccines. I also ask them to produce anything credible about vaccines for my own education; not one has ever provided any link or publication.
Since my population is upscale, with many professional parents, I see it as a control issue. They resent my education and expertise in this specific area, and need to show their power. It's gotten worse since many of them have suffered economic reversals (the vaccines don't add to their costs.)

209 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:22:18pm

re: #154 kansas

Well if I read between the lines, the jury verdict was 30 million, but the guy has a bogus off shore insurance company. So I doubt there was a pay out.

Then they can go after his other assets, and he should have his license suspended. I'm sure a lot is offshore, but he could end up not being able to spend any money here. And having all his income taken.

210 alegrias  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:22:32pm

re: #196 Sharmuta

Who gives a shit? He abuses animals. He's a prick.

* * * * *
In Vick's social circles, dog-fighting is cool.

Have you seen what these kinds of guys call women, in their music and "art"?

They're a big cultural influence on young people.

211 nikis-knight  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:23:56pm

re: #204 Salamantis

I don't remember that jumping, but I'll admit to not paying attention at the time. One heard much more about it being suspicious timing and half-measures than morally and legally wrong, as I remember, but again I wasn't paying attention.

212 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:24:27pm

re: #188 snowcrash

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

While the USN is decommissioning these, it has been said that they would make fine hospital ships for use in humanitarian relief after natural disasters.

213 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:25:29pm

If Clinton's and Dubya's terms had been traded, Dubya would have gone into the Balkans and Clinton would have gone into Iraq (he signed the 1998 Iraq Regime Change Act). Why? Because in both cases, it was geostrategically necessary to do so to preserve national security, and that
geostrategic necessity would have taken precedence and demanded military action regardless of the person or party in power.

I think that we can also see this happening in the Obama Surge in Afghanistan (although he would choke on aragula before he would call it that).

214 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:25:40pm

re: #203 Lincolntf

Yes- be sure to fine Randy Moss up the ass for faking a moon to the crowd, but never mind the guys beating their wives or engaging in other thuggery.

I enjoy sports, but the way the various leagues allow their athletes to behave has been a major turn off for me in the last few years.

215 nikis-knight  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:26:14pm

re: #208 FightingBack

My wife is reluctant to vaccinate our young daughter because she remembers seeing her brother react badly when he was vaccinated. We decided to wait a few months before getting the infant shots, but we will continue them when she is 2 or so.

216 NY Nana  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:26:49pm

re: #209 Kosh's Shadow

and he should have his license suspended.

Not just suspended, but he should lose it. He is not fit to practice medicine.

The one problem is that he could just move to a neighboring state, sit the exam, get a license in that state, and be back in business as a charlatan...licensed one no less..

In this case, a Federal law should be in place, IMHO.

217 TedStriker  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:27:33pm

re: #80 _RememberTonyC

I think the Professor could have hit that if he wanted ...

Mary Ann was definitely a "spinner"...when she's was in her prime, I'd have definitely hit that.

;-P

218 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:28:18pm

re: #204 Salamantis

The Federalist Papers #10. It pretty much sums up the problems with Party loyalty vs. First principles.

219 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:28:18pm

re: #211 nikis-knight

I don't remember that jumping, but I'll admit to not paying attention at the time. One heard much more about it being suspicious timing and half-measures than morally and legally wrong, as I remember, but again I wasn't paying attention.

Yeah; I found the Republican 'Wag the Dog' meme, claiming Clinton only went in to distract attention from his Oval Office blowjob, to be sickeningly malevolent.

220 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:29:08pm

re: #131 Shug

No , you get The Measles and hypervitaminosis D

Utter layman as I am, it scares me to hear a doctor giving vitamin D as a panacea.

Here is a picture from a medical paper about idiopathic hypercalcemia which is a condition of infants that is associated with vitamin D intoxication.

Here are photos of boys who had hypercalcemia, showing the effects:
Image: figure4-18.gif

221 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:30:20pm

re: #216 NY Nana

Not just suspended, but he should lose it. He is not fit to practice medicine. The one problem is that he could just move to a neighboring state, sit the exam, get a license in that state, and be back in business as a charlatan...licensed one no less..
In this case, a Federal law should be in place, IMHO.

10th Amendment.

222 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:31:28pm

re: #219 Salamantis

Yeah; I found the Republican 'Wag the Dog' meme, claiming Clinton only went in to distract attention from his Oval Office blowjob, to be sickeningly malevolent.

In fact, it was the Republican version of the Dems' Halliburton charge. One claimed political ulterior motives, while the other claimed financial ulterior motives.

223 NelsFree  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:31:32pm

Okay, goin' to the new thread. Dianna, are you there?

224 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:34:40pm

re: #207 NelsFree

While I don't want to get into a slugfest, there is one strategic difference between Clinton's Kosovo Campaign and Bush's Iraq War. Clinton did not want to commit major ground forces so he authorized precision bombing. the Serbs were typicaly able to construct "tanks" out of plywood and bedsheets that were targeted by USAF munitions. It was determined after the conflict settled down that the air campaign had been largely ineffective. Only when ground troops occupied the land did things calm down.

Yeah, Clinton was too timid at first. But he didn't stay that way. But the same charge could be leveled against Dubya for not committing sufficient ground troops to enforce Iraqi security in the first place - a decision that cost us billions and years, and was only belatedly remedied by the McCain-Patraeus Surge.

225 anchors_aweigh  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:38:06pm

re: #219 Salamantis

Yeah; I found the Republican 'Wag the Dog' meme, claiming Clinton only went in to distract attention from his Oval Office blowjob, to be sickeningly malevolent.

Really? What was the vital national interest in Bosnia?

226 NY Nana  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:43:19pm

re: #221 NelsFree

10th Amendment.

I have seen too many MD's and RN's (I am a retired RN) who have dome horrific things, and lose their license in NY, only to show up again in CT and NJ. States Rights are all well and good, but each state has it's own level of what is passing the exams for licensure. When I graduated, the disparities in the % that one state accepted, while another one had higher standards was mind blowing.

In a case where patient's lives are being compromised, when a medical error, or being essentially a snake oil salesman, thus using methods that can be fatal? It is incumbent upon our country to do better, and make this a Federal case...if they gave a damn. Our tax $$$$$ are paying for the governments' medical plans for them, and they get the very best of care, while so many Americans have no coverage.

I am not in favor of 'national health' in any way, shape or form, but the idea of Dr. X doing damage or worse in one state, losing his license, paying a fine, and showing up in the next state within months just is a disgrace.

I think that we should be able, with our medical insurance,to get the same coverage as our government. This is a democracy, not a monarchy.

227 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:43:39pm

re: #225 anchors_aweigh

Really? What was the vital national interest in Bosnia?

To prevent burgeoning fascism in the soft southern underbelly of Europe from spreading and destabilizing the continent. When we didn't intervene early before - twice - it cost us very dearly.

228 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:48:24pm

re: #227 Salamantis

To prevent burgeoning fascism in the soft southern underbelly of Europe from spreading and destabilizing the continent. When we didn't intervene early before - twice - it cost us very dearly.

Bosnia was only Milosevic's first step in a much greater territorial expansion - kinda like Germany moving into Austria. His envisioned 'Greater Serbia' included substantial chunks of several other countries:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

229 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:50:04pm

re: #226 NY Nana

I have seen too many MD's and RN's (I am a retired RN) who have dome horrific things, and lose their license in NY, only to show up again in CT and NJ. States Rights are all well and good, but each state has it's own level of what is passing the exams for licensure. When I graduated, the disparities in the % that one state accepted, while another one had higher standards was mind blowing.

In a case where patient's lives are being compromised, when a medical error, or being essentially a snake oil salesman, thus using methods that can be fatal? It is incumbent upon our country to do better, and make this a Federal case...if they gave a damn. Our tax $$$$$ are paying for the governments' medical plans for them, and they get the very best of care, while so many Americans have no coverage.

I am not in favor of 'national health' in any way, shape or form, but the idea of Dr. X doing damage or worse in one state, losing his license, paying a fine, and showing up in the next state within months just is a disgrace.

I think that we should be able, with our medical insurance,to get the same coverage as our government. This is a democracy, not a monarchy.

If I get a drivers license in another state, they ask if I lost my license and the right to drive in a different state. And they can check.
Same thing should be done for practicing medicine.
A Federal registry (like the one for driving records) shouldn't be a problem.

230 anchors_aweigh  Fri, May 22, 2009 3:56:03pm

re: #227 Salamantis

To prevent burgeoning fascism in the soft southern underbelly of Europe from spreading and destabilizing the continent. When we didn't intervene early before - twice - it cost us very dearly.

The truth is that the Balkans were never of strategic importance to the US. Clinton did succeed in so damaging US - Russian relations, that later, when we needed Russia to help us with Iran, we got the finger. It was a geo-strategic blunder of the first order to intervene in the Balkans. Russia has been paying us back ever since by dragging out international action vis a vis Iran and North Korea.

We saved some muslims but got fucked on Iran and NK.

231 NY Nana  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:01:18pm

re: #229 Kosh's Shadow

If I get a drivers license in another state, they ask if I lost my license and the right to drive in a different state. And they can check.
Same thing should be done for practicing medicine.
A Federal registry (like the one for driving records) shouldn't be a problem.

Absolutely. I would hope that the loss of a professional license in State A would mean that the individual cannot practice in States B-Z. Sadly, as far as I know? It is still a states' rights issue.

232 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:20:32pm

re: #230 anchors_aweigh

The truth is that the Balkans were never of strategic importance to the US. Clinton did succeed in so damaging US - Russian relations, that later, when we needed Russia to help us with Iran, we got the finger. It was a geo-strategic blunder of the first order to intervene in the Balkans. Russia has been paying us back ever since by dragging out international action vis a vis Iran and North Korea.

We saved some muslims but got fucked on Iran and NK.

You obviously didn't click on the link in #228, or at least did not contemplate what pan-european conflagration would have resulted from such a planned Serbian territorial expansion. Russia would have employed any excuse to hand us some Iranian payback for arming the jihadis that kicked them out of Afghanistan, cost them so much in blood and trasure, and hastened the dissolution of the Soviet Empire. But then again, we were engaging in a little payback of our own, by giving them their very own Vietnam.

But there's only so far that the Russians wanna travel down that road; they're a whole lot closer to Iran than we are, and their experiences in Chechnya and with the Moscow theatre attack and the Beslan schoolchildren massacre have taught them to be very leery of jihadis.

And the essential country with the Norks isn't Russia; it's China.

233 Liberal Classic  Fri, May 22, 2009 4:46:04pm

I was in the gym today, where the monitor had Fox news on. The story was about "the man who beat cancer without chemo."

234 anchors_aweigh  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:09:20pm

I clicked on the link. But like most things wiki....

Serbia and Bosnia were (some would say still are) engaged in a civil war. At the time Serbia was not looking to expand beyond what they considered to be their own sovereign territory. Which is not say that at some point they might have, but in any event, Serbia (at the time) was not and is not now a military threat to NATO or the EU. Not well understood, but Clinton violated international law by bombing Serbia. By contrast, GWB had all the UN resolutions he needed to topple Iraq. Were there vital "national" European interests at stake in the Balkans? Maybe, but remember Serbia is Christian and Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo are Muslim. Some would argue with you about preserving a Muslim enclave in Europe, being in Europe's best national interests.

With regards to your point about Afghanistan. The USSR had already been relegated to the ash-heap of history. Russia was now more concerned with attracting Western capital investment rather paying back the US for Cold War grievances. Point not germane.

Concur that China is the main player with DPRK. But Russia and China provide "top-cover" for each other there. And don't forget we accidently dropped a bomb on China's embassy during the Balkan escapade.

235 Canoe Train  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:33:00pm

re: #58 DEZes

I think I'd hit that, too ;)

236 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:40:05pm

re: #234 anchors_aweigh

I clicked on the link. But like most things wiki....

Serbia and Bosnia were (some would say still are) engaged in a civil war. At the time Serbia was not looking to expand beyond what they considered to be their own sovereign territory. Which is not say that at some point they might have, but in any event, Serbia (at the time) was not and is not now a military threat to NATO or the EU. Not well understood, but Clinton violated international law by bombing Serbia. By contrast, GWB had all the UN resolutions he needed to topple Iraq. Were there vital "national" European interests at stake in the Balkans? Maybe, but remember Serbia is Christian and Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo are Muslim. Some would argue with you about preserving a Muslim enclave in Europe, being in Europe's best national interests.

The whole point about 'Greater Serbia' is that they DID consider all that territory belonging to other nations to be their sovereign territory - merely occupied by others for the moment. And they planned to rectify that situation by force, country by country. And since the area they laid claim to is indeed part of Europe, it was indeed a military threat to the European nations involved, and thus to Europe itself. Yes, Clinton did indeed proceed without the permissions that Bush obtained, but Bush would, I hope and believe, have proceeded with the Iraqi invasion even had they not been forthcoming. But it is true that Clinton didn't even request them. But then again, he initially only planned a bombing campaign, not the ground invasion that we undertook in Iraq.

As for thinking that aggressors should be allowed to persevere, and victims should be allowed to be slaughtered, solely on the basis of religious affiliation, peoples and countries of fairness, compassion, and good conscience do not proceed that way. And we now have a second heavily pro-US Muslim enclave in Kosovo, in addition to the one in Kurdistan; this cannot help but benefit us (the Kosovars are pro-Israel, too, btw).

I invite you to go to Michael Totten's site:

[Link: www.michaeltotten.com...]

and check his left sidebar for what the Kosovars are truly like. He spent considerable time and energy there investigating them to find out.

With regards to your point about Afghanistan. The USSR had already been relegated to the ash-heap of history. Russia was now more concerned with attracting Western capital investment rather paying back the US for Cold War grievances. Point not germane.

No, the point is still germane, considering Putin's continued machinations (incuding the invasion of Georgia and the attempted subversion of the Ukraine). And with their huge natural gas and oil reserves, Russia is well-positioned financially and geostrategically (and has been flexing its resource muscles with threats to cut off their energy supplies to Europe unless they become more compliant).

Concur that China is the main player with DPRK. But Russia and China provide "top-cover" for each other there. And don't forget we accidently dropped a bomb on China's embassy during the Balkan escapade.

Russia and China work together on some issues, and at cross-purposes on others. Their long border is one of the most militarily fortified in the world. And yes, we did accidentally drop a bomb on China's embassy in the Balkans. Accidents can happen. But the possibility of such accidents is not a reason to forego the pursuit of geostrategically neessary or beneficial actions.

237 Salamantis  Fri, May 22, 2009 5:49:07pm

Here are some Kosovo articles by Michael J. Totten. I present the links in chronological order, with the earliest written being first:

This Is A Kosovar Muslim
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

How Kosovo Created its Own Liberal Islam
[Link: www.standpointmag.co.uk...]

The (Really) Moderate Muslims of Kosovo
The world’s newest country is a model of Islamic tolerance
[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

Kosovo's Moderate Muslims
The world's newest country is a model of tolerance
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

238 anchors_aweigh  Fri, May 22, 2009 6:11:05pm

re: #237 Salamantis

Good stuff. Thanks.

I suspect Kosovo's lack of religious fervor has more to do with being a post-communist state than some new brand of liberal Islam. But your argument is cogent and you have succeeded in opening my eyes to them. Truth be told, some Army buddies of mine have told me the same thing, but I am leery.

But are they creationists? Booga booga. Just kidding.

Gotta run and thanks again for the links.

239 Gella  Fri, May 22, 2009 6:19:17pm

just wondering if state can suspend his medical license?

240 Canoe Train  Sat, May 23, 2009 10:35:26am

What is it with these people ? If they are so self righteous regarding failure to vaccinate their children, I invite them to read "Plagues and Peoples," or "Guns, Germs, and Steel," or "1491," or David Thompson's "narrative of his Explorations." Those works should provide brutal illustration of what happens to members of a population when they have no resistance to lethal illnesses, or decide to play games. Vaccination is not a game. Disease can kill someone with access to First World health care just as quickly as it would someone with no health care access at all.

241 ontheleftcoast  Sat, May 23, 2009 11:22:26pm

I hope none of the snarkmeisters pontificating about vitamin D are responsible for patient care, or that if they are they educate themselves before they hurt someone.

Wikipedia is pretty good on vitamin D; it says

Vitamin D malnutrition may also be linked to an increased susceptibility to several chronic diseases such as high blood pressure, tuberculosis, cancer, periodontal disease, multiple sclerosis, chronic pain, seasonal affective disorder [32][33], peripheral artery disease[34], cognitive impairment which includes memory loss and foggy brain,[35] and several autoimmune diseases including type 1 diabetes (see role in immunomodulation).[8][21] There is an association between low vitamin D levels and Parkinson's disease, but whether Parkinson's causes low vitamin D levels, or whether low vitamin D levels play a role in the pathogenesis of Parkinson's disease has not been established.[36]

Now there’s also bacterial vaginosis
[Link: www.timesoftheinternet.com...]

Oh yeah. And autism:
[Link: www.scientificamerican.com...]


Krispin Sullivan, ([Link: sunlightandvitamind.com),...] a nutritionist who is very sound on vitamin D and has a lot of clinical experience with it says:

In northern California 80% of clients tested during winter months have serum vitamin D deficiency (less than 20 ng/ml) or insufficiency (20-32 ng/ml). This problem increases dramatically in persons living at latitudes more distant from the equator and in persons living in all US latitudes with darker skins. In Texas there has been an increase in the number of children with African or Hispanic heritage suffering from rickets. Even in sunny southern California vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency is prevalent in part due to avoidance of midday sunlight and/or the use of sunscreens which block vitamin D production.


The FDA is now recommending 1000 IU/day; for many people that level of supplementation isn’t adequate to reach the optimum 25-OH vitamin D blood levels of around 40-60 ng/ml, but it’s a safe place to start.
Vitamin D is being overhyped, and due to the time lag in accumulation, people on high levels of supplementation should continue to test their levels for 2-3 years after reaching optimal levels.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2021-06-05 2:51 pm PDT
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds Tweet

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Cash.app Shop at amazon
as an LGF Associate!
Recent PagesClick to refresh