Obama Springs to the Rescue, Signs Credit Card Bill

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Have no fear, your credit problems are over: Obama Signs Credit Card Bill.

(CBS/ AP)� President Barack Obama warned overeager shoppers and greedy credit card companies alike on Friday to act responsibly as he signed into law a bill designed to protect debt-ridden consumers from surprise charges.

The White House staged a signing ceremony in the Rose Garden, an indication of the legislation’s importance to Obama. Though opposed by many financial companies, the bill cleared Congress with broad support.

Well … nine months from now, that is.

The new credit card rules, which would go into effect in nine months, would prohibit companies from giving cards to people under 21 unless they can prove they have the means to pay the debt or a parent or guardian co-signs for the card.

Under the bill, a customer would have to be more than 60 days behind on a payment before seeing a rate increase on an existing balance. Even then, the lender would be required to restore the previous, lower rate if the cardholder pays the minimum balance on time for six months.

Consumers also would have to receive 45 days’ notice and an explanation before their interest rates increased.

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111 comments
1 stuck in california  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:08:06pm

I don't have a credit card, do I get a check?

2 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:08:19pm

Can I return this unicorn Obama gave me? Damn thing leaves rainbow turds all over the house.

3 BignJames  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:08:44pm

If you're a deadbeat or a scammer, things are lookin' up.

4 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:09:38pm

Personal Responsibility.

Don't sign shit unless you have a clue.

5 BignJames  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:09:46pm

re: #1 stuck in california

I don't have a credit card, do I get a check?


It's in the mail.

6 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:11:01pm

Is the government supposed to do something like this?

7 davinvalkri  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:11:12pm

No credit cards for me. But I always pay cash or school account debit anyway. So no loss.

8 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:11:29pm

Dare I say it and suggest that anyone who owns a credit card should use it responsibly and not have to be reminded to use it responsibly?

And, off-topic: Roh Moo Hyun is dead.

(sorry to go off-topic)

9 stuck in california  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:11:51pm

re: #5 BignJames

yeah, postage due, i suspect..

10 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:12:26pm

re: #6 Noam Sayin'

Is the government supposed to do something like this?

Of course, comrade.

11 davinvalkri  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:12:31pm

I notice that the adjective attached to credit card companies is "greedy". Someone needs a lesson in modern economics...

12 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:13:42pm

re: #6 Noam Sayin'

Is the government supposed to do something like this?

They're telling credit card companies how to run their business, so I don't think so.

13 solomonpanting  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:14:00pm

re: #6 Noam Sayin'

Is the government supposed to do something like this?

Yes, under the dictates of socialism.

14 Jim in Virginia  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:14:16pm

Word is, if you pay full balance each month, you'll get to pay an annual fee.
Fox News was discussing why Biden (next to Jim Moran, D, MBNA, the credit card companies' best friend in Congress) was not at the signing ceremony.

15 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:14:33pm

re: #11 davinvalkri

I notice that the adjective attached to credit card companies is "greedy". Someone needs a lesson in modern economics...

Someone needs to ask who is the real "greedy" one here. The credit companies, or those who think they can buy more than they can afford.

16 jaunte  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:14:53pm

re: #11 davinvalkri

I think "greed" and "hypocrisy" are the only remaining Government designated sins.

17 opilio  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:15:05pm

Hmmmm. I always pay the full balance each month. I pay no annual fee. (The day they charge me to use their card is the day I cut it into itty-bitty shards.) Does this affect me?

18 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:15:11pm

Now, if I can only get him to sign the check I use to pay my credit card bill......

19 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:15:44pm

OT: strange- my nic link has changed for no reason. This has happened a couple of times now.

20 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:15:46pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

They're telling credit card companies how to run their business, so I don't think so.

The government has no business telling credit card companies what to do. What's next? Ban the ShamWow?

21 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:16:00pm

re: #10 Racer X

re: #12 Sharmuta

re: #13 solomonpanting

So it's not just me...

22 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:16:30pm

And just where are the credit card companies going to make up the lost revenue? Someone's got to pay for the irresponsibility of the irresponsible. Do you pay your balances on time or in full each month?

/prepare for fewer perks like "miles", lower credit limits, and the return of annual fees

23 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:17:03pm

re: #21 Noam Sayin'

Pretty sure that when you're dealing with credit there's responsibility on the one using it. This is taking that responsibility away.

24 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:17:20pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

OT: strange- my nic link has changed for no reason. This has happened a couple of times now.

Probably a Youtube issue.

25 Macker  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:17:56pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

Death To The Swiss?

26 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:18:06pm

re: #24 Racer X

I don't know why it would change to "deathtotheswiss" blogspot.

27 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:18:26pm

I don't have any debt - not even secured debt. So am I paying for other people who have bad credit? Yes. Do I like it? No.

28 dapperdave  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:18:36pm

You mean b.o. isn't going to pay my credit card debts after all?
I want my votes back!/

29 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:18:44pm

Uh, hello? Guess what comes next?

"Hi, I'd like to obtain a credit card"

"No"

30 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:19:15pm

re: #29 Racer X

I got rid of my credit card. They're from the devil.

31 Macker  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:19:28pm

re: #29 Racer X

Uh, hello? Guess what comes next?

"Hi, I'd like to obtain a credit card"

"No"

It was damn hard to get a credit card forty years ago. It should be again.

32 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:19:53pm

re: #26 Sharmuta

I don't know why it would change to "deathtotheswiss" blogspot.

I see a Pretenders video.

33 Macker  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:20:02pm

re: #30 Sharmuta

I got rid of my credit card. They're from the devil.

If I could give you 1,000 updings I would!

34 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:20:21pm

I can see rates of 36% in the near future.

We will remember fondly the days when we had an economy and weren't a banana republic.

35 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:20:44pm

re: #32 Racer X

Because I logged out and back in. Check #12, 15 & 19.

36 opilio  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:20:56pm

re: #30 Sharmuta

I got rid of my credit card. They're from the devil.

I used to carry about a dozen. Now I carry one. It's not from the devil. It's from a bank.

37 davinvalkri  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:22:11pm

re: #36 opilio

I used to carry about a dozen. Now I carry one. It's not from the devil. It's from a bank.

According to Obama, there's not much difference. He sees himself as the holy angel trying to keep us all out of Faustian bargains, I guess.

38 J.D.  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:22:20pm

David Mendell's Obama: From Promise To Power, page 144:

He and Michelle were living a middle- to upper-middle-class, white collar existence, going home to a spacious town house in Hyde Park and employing a caregiver to help with child care. But despite their combined incomes, which topped $250,000 a year, Obama had personal debt. He had maxed out his credit card, partly on campaign expenses, and the couple were both repaying student loans from Harvard.

Lots of Americans have student loans; lots of Americans have more debt on their credit card than they would like.

But not many Americans make a decision to challenge an incumbent member of the House of Representatives.

Obama took a fairly significant financial gamble, taking on credit card debt to finance his effort against longtime Chicago Congressman Bobby Rush in 2000. Obama's friends and colleagues in the state legislature had urged him not to challenge Rush. Obama was 38, and had been in the state legislature for four years; Rush was a five-term incumbent with 90 percent name recognition.

Obama has said several times that challenging Rush was the wrong race at the wrong time. But perhaps as the Obamas tell of their financial hardships, they could at least mention that part of their tough times was driven by an unwise decision on the candidate's part, a decision few Americans will ever make.
I find it humorous.

39 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:22:43pm

re: #36 opilio

It's just an expression.

40 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:23:12pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

Because I logged out and back in. Check #12, 15 & 19.

Still see Pretenders there. Interesting though if it changed.

41 gunslingah  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:23:26pm

Oh, good Lord. As far as I'm concerned, if you're one of those who is actually responsible with credit, and pays his/her bills on time, and carries little if any balance... this bill just constitutes a "bailout" for those who are not responsible.

And we're supposed to be excited about this? Why?

42 Cathypop  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:23:35pm

The only credit card I have is Shell. They informed a couple of months ago that they were dropping my credit from $1500.00 to $150.00. Was paying it off every month. It has been cut into little tiny pieces.

43 Sharmuta  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:24:13pm

re: #40 Racer X

No- I still have deathtotheswiss.

44 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:24:33pm

Guess what, if you pay your cards on time you are about to get a rate increase. You know, to help the little guy. That would be the guy with shitty credit. But hey, it's only patriotic!

Hope! Change! Communism! It's the (new) American way!

45 WindHorse  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:24:33pm

wow.... the height of Chutzpah..... Obama thinking he can mandate anything....let alone this....

from a guy who has never worked an honest day in his life.

feh.

46 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:25:17pm

Oh yeah, it late Friday afternoon of the Memorial Day weekend, time to tell the taxpayers how much more money TOTUS just flushed down the auto bankruptcy toilet, hoping you won't notice.

U.S. Lends Additional $4 Billion to Ailing GM as Bankruptcy Looms

General Motors Corp. said Friday that it has borrowed an additional $4 billion from the Treasury Department, meaning the automaker has now accepted $19.4 billion in loans from the U.S. government.

GM started taking government money in December and said it intended to borrow $2.6 billion more by June 1 and an additional $9 billion after that. But in a regulatory filing Friday, GM said it needed $1.4 billion sooner than originally forecast.

The company didn't publicly disclose how it will use the money but said it provided the information to Treasury officials, and they considered the loan acceptable.

"We appreciate President Obama's and his administration's ongoing support of GM and the domestic U.S. auto industry as we undertake the difficult but necessary actions to reinvent our company," the company said in a written statement.

And remember, the plan is to forgive these "loans" in bankruptcy, which GM will most likely declare next week.

/the UAW thanks you for the direct transfer payments, have a nice long weekend!

47 Randall Gross  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:26:40pm

Maybe some of the "Obama'll pay my bills" delayed gratification will catch up to him by second year in office.

48 MandyManners  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:26:50pm

I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

49 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:27:01pm

re: #43 Sharmuta

No- I still have deathtotheswiss.

I believe you - but its not what I see.

50 rain of lead  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:27:37pm

re: #48 MandyManners

I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!


what mandy said!

51 Noam Sayin'  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:27:59pm

I keep one for online purchases, which are rather small and paid off immediately.

I've also used my Penney's card to great effect. I shop only when there's a huge sale and I get extra percentages off when I use the card. Then I pay that off immediately. It's actually a money saver. I buy only what is steeply discounted, get a deeper discount and no interest charges whatsoever. I recently bought $2,000 worth of suits for a little over $400 - tailored. JCP took a f*ckin' bath on that transaction.

52 Cathypop  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:28:17pm

re: #48 MandyManners

I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

Please keep saying that in bold every friggin day Mandy!

53 iLikeCandy  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:28:18pm

Well, since the Community Reinvestment Act was such a resounding success, let's apply the concept to credit cards. What could possibly go wrong?

54 Gus  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:28:21pm
Under the bill, a customer would have to be more than 60 days behind on a payment before seeing a rate increase on an existing balance

Seems excessive. 60 days?

This won't have much effect on me. I still have to pay my credit card debt.

55 itellu3times  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:28:55pm

I'm a "deadbeat" - I pay off my balance every month.

But once every year or three, I have a brain fart and bury the bill, forget to pay. Did that this time and BAM, the idiotic fees! Not to mention the fees I hear some of my friends, relatives, and co-workers paying. I have a lot of trouble finding them really justified. Do I like the government sticking its nose in the tent? No. Do I think the banks have all the justice on their side in this? No. Do I think this bill addresses the proper aspects and will be effective? Not really. It's an impefect world!

56 WindHorse  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:29:00pm

I was planning to buy my son a car this weekend.... an American car.... used.... or maybe even new....

but - thanks to douchebag obama and the UAW.... forget it...

we're heading over to the Mercedes dealership....

fuck you UAW.

57 Macker  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:29:22pm

re: #48 MandyManners

I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

Ah, that must be because those who voted otherwise are simply happy fucking?

58 rain of lead  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:29:22pm

The country is in the BEST of hands.

/

59 hous bin pharteen  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:29:48pm

Hous Bin Pharteen says.................."Those Obamo muntchkins will have my credit cards when they peal them from my cold dead {or debt} fingers!"

60 mfarmer1  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:30:59pm

Here's what will happen:

1) Credit card annual fees will go up for everyone.

2) Interest rates will go up for everyone to cover the losses.

3) Credit lines will be decreased and lending requirements strengthened.

4) Two years from now Congress will pass more laws to stop credit card companies from excessively charging the public.

5) Rinse and repeat.

61 Jim in Virginia  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:31:19pm

re: #45 WindHorse

wow.... the height of Chutzpah..... Obama thinking he can mandate anything....let alone this....

from a guy who has never worked an honest day in his life.

feh.

Don't blame O. The bill got 90 votes in the Senate.
Lying cheating dishonest sons of bitches.
And that's an insult to wonderful dogs everywhere.

62 opilio  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:32:25pm

re: #45 WindHorse

wow.... the height of Chutzpah..... Obama thinking he can mandate anything....let alone this....

Well, he didn't actually mandate anything.

The 534* individuals we elected to represent us apparently believe that this legislation is an expression of the Will of the People, for whom they are grateful to serve.

Or maybe that it will buy them some votes. One of those.

*Minnesota is still light 1 Senator, no?

63 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:32:25pm

WOW!

64 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:32:44pm

Cavs win on a last second 3 point shot.

65 itellu3times  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:33:07pm

re: #60 mfarmer1

Here's what will happen:

1) Credit card annual fees will go up for everyone.

2) Interest rates will go up for everyone to cover the losses.

3) Credit lines will be decreased and lending requirements strengthened.

4) Two years from now Congress will pass more laws to stop credit card companies from excessively charging the public.

5) Rinse and repeat.

My credit limit was recently reduced from waaaay more than I would ever put on a credit card, to half that. I got a laugh out of it anyway.

66 J.D.  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:33:22pm

re: #64 Racer X

Cavs win on a last second 3 point shot.

So I heard from waaaaaaaaaaaaaay in the other room.
:D

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68 jorline  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:33:52pm

What a shot...holy crap.

69 Catttt  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:36:34pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

OT: strange- my nic link has changed for no reason. This has happened a couple of times now.

Thank God it's not Deathtotheswedes!


and his son
70 WindHorse  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:37:00pm

re: #61 Jim in Virginia

has this been voted on yet?

or is this something sent to the Congress? (with the "0's" signature on it?)

71 opilio  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:38:14pm

re: #60 mfarmer1

Here's what will happen:

1) Credit card annual fees will go up for everyone...

Do most of you in lizard land pay annual fees for your card(s)?

I never have. I never will.

72 Jim in Virginia  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:38:35pm

re: #70 WindHorse Passed by both houses and signed into law.

73 J.D.  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:38:58pm
...Unfortunately the new rules change the reward risk matrix by placing limits on the tools needed to recover loans. It is a fundamental rule of lending that an increase in risk means that less credit will be available and that the credit that is available will likely come at a higher interest rate. Because the bill makes no distinction between those whose credit card debt was run up because of an illness or family death and those who were simply irresponsible, anyone today with a high rate and who has missed a few payments will get a reward – new limits on the fees they can be charged and restrictions on the interest rate hikes they face. But in order to subsidize this windfall, the rest of us will get higher average interest rates and mandatory annual fees.

Say good bye to teaser rates of 0% to 5% and so long to complimentary credit card checks or balance transfers. Instead of getting cards authorized for use for two to four years, expect activation periods to drop to months or weeks in order to limit risk exposure. This might not seem like that big of a deal, but what happens when you’re stranded on the road with a flat tire and the tow truck driver lets you know that your card expired yesterday?

As night follows day, a reform that rewards misuse, punishes commitment and forces even responsible lower income groups out of the credit market is a terrible idea. And it is even more destructive during an economic downturn when Americans might need access to credit most.


HORACE COOPER: Why Does Obama’s Credit Card Plan Reward the Bad Guys?

74 Racer X  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:39:35pm

re: #68 jorline

What a shot...holy crap.

LeBron is a witch.

75 Jim in Virginia  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:40:27pm

re: #71 opilio

Do most of you in lizard land pay annual fees for your card(s)?

I never have. I never will.

When I was yooung and foolish I got an Amex card. I figured it would impress chicks.
Trouble was, they weren't the chicks I wanted to impress.

76 solomonpanting  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:41:18pm

Hindsight: Put two men on LeBron and no one on the inbound passer.

77 The Shadow Do  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:41:19pm

re: #55 itellu3times

I'm a "deadbeat" - I pay off my balance every month.

But once every year or three, I have a brain fart and bury the bill, forget to pay. Did that this time and BAM, the idiotic fees! Not to mention the fees I hear some of my friends, relatives, and co-workers paying. I have a lot of trouble finding them really justified. Do I like the government sticking its nose in the tent? No. Do I think the banks have all the justice on their side in this? No. Do I think this bill addresses the proper aspects and will be effective? Not really. It's an impefect world!

It is worse than you describe. I see no difference in this shit and passing out unqualified home loans. Same driver. everyone should have a line of credit and a mortgage? As for banks, they give out crappy loans only under legislative pressure or the promise of returns under present rules. They are not bad guys - just aren't. We are all equal after all, no? //////

78 J.D.  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:42:26pm

re: #71 opilio

Do most of you in lizard land pay annual fees for your card(s)?

I never have. I never will.


I pay a fee for one of them, out of... several.

79 mfarmer1  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:42:50pm

re: #46 Killian Bundy

Oh yeah, it late Friday afternoon of the Memorial Day weekend, time to tell the taxpayers how much more money TOTUS just flushed down the auto bankruptcy toilet, hoping you won't notice.

U.S. Lends Additional $4 Billion to Ailing GM as Bankruptcy Looms

And remember, the plan is to forgive these "loans" in bankruptcy, which GM will most likely declare next week.

/the UAW thanks you for the direct transfer payments, have a nice long weekend!

What has happened to this nation? This is no different than an individual who knows full well he's about to declare bankruptcy going on a spending spree and taking out as much cash from his credit lines as possible before doing so. Judges will routinely deny those abuses to be forgiven and will side with the creditors.

This is insane. It's criminal. How is this allowed to pass? The scariest part is that those involved with this raping of the taxpayer know we are so stupid and lemming-like that they can do this at will.

The state of the nation is a disaster. Almost all of it. This goes beyond left/right, Republican/Democrat...we're in a world of you know what right now.

80 hazzyday  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:43:47pm

There should be no teaser introductory rates.

Increases should be stable like fed rates. No jumps from 8 to 30 percent interest. Should go by quarter points up and down depending on a person's credit behavior. We have computers we can do that.

Credit reports should be used for credit only, not for insurance, jobs, etc.

The concept of payday loans should be done away with.

Terms and rates should be on one page, large type, Fees and Penalities in bright red with initials of borrower.

81 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:44:32pm

re: #4 Racer X

Personal Responsibility.

Don't sign shit unless you have a clue.

Actually, some people who have been very careful making payments who found their rates jacked up with no explanation, or credit limit lowered.
I've had a rate go up 70% approximately, and my wife had a limit halved.
So I can't say that only deadbeats get hit.

82 sngnsgt  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:45:02pm

re: #31 Macker

It was damn hard to get a credit card forty years ago. It should be again.

Damn straight.

83 hazzyday  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:45:25pm

re: #57 Macker

Ah, that must be because those who voted otherwise are simply happy fucking?

I think that is what she meant.

84 hazzyday  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:48:00pm

Can there be any better example of the thought process that got the Catholic Church in this jam then this guy? He is the posterboy of denial. Unwilling to bear the cost of his sins.

He would have taken every pedophile priest and hidden them from public view in out of the way church properties. Where they could do their deeds and not be seen.

85 hazzyday  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:48:31pm

re: #84 hazzyday

Some kind of whacky thread jumping there. lol

86 mfarmer1  Fri, May 22, 2009 8:49:36pm

re: #65 itellu3times

re: #65 itellu3times

My credit limit was recently reduced from waaaay more than I would ever put on a credit card, to half that. I got a laugh out of it anyway.

That type of action can be devastating to your credit score as your available credit is reduced. It can even hurt if you carry no balances.

I've turned into a quasi-credit guru over the last few years as I had to get our scores as high as possible for business reasons. I monitor and check from about three different sources routinely. Yet another system that is shady to say the least. But, unless you're Dave Ramsey, a game we must play.

87 [deleted]  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:02:59pm
88 seagreenroom  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:06:37pm

So, TheOne thinks he can legislate responsible behavior?

What an ignoramus.

89 Cicero05  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:45:29pm

Great news! Now the people who have managed their credit card debt responsibly will be subsidizing the poor credit risks. Since the credit card companies are now under a federal mandate to be "nice" to cardholders with spotty bill-paying histories, they'll just make up those costs on the backs of the the rest of us.

Think you're immune because you pay your bill off in full each month? Think again.

Banks are expected to look at reviving annual fees, curtailing cash-back and other rewards programs and charging interest immediately on a purchase instead of allowing a grace period of weeks, according to bank officials and trade groups.

Yep, you can look for a phase-out of the interest grace period. That means you'll be paying interest from the day you make a purchase, whether you pay off your balance in full at the end of the month or not. But you'll have a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that you're paying a little extra each month so that some credit-challenged customer can have a credit card on the same terms as the rest of us.

Deadbeatonomics!

90 ManlyDad  Fri, May 22, 2009 9:57:25pm

Cards with different interest rates, e.g., 0% on balance transfers, will be gone, since the new rule requires payments to go first to the higher interest rates. This was one tool available to help people get out of debt. Gone now!

91 Mauser  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:14:41pm

And the day before he signed this, I got a notice from Chase that my Amazon Credit Card will now be 1% higher, at 13.24%.

Not that I've ever carried a balance on it.

92 Rich H  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:19:08pm

Our Financial Crisis

Q> How did we get into this mess?

A> A bunch of people borrowed more money than they could afford to pay back.

Q> What do we do about it?

A> Bail 'em out.

Q> How?

A> By borrowing more money than we can afford to pay back.

93 Rexatosis  Fri, May 22, 2009 10:33:26pm

Worked my way through College and Graduate School. Pay my bills and credit card on time. Been working since I was 10 (paper route back when kids delivered the paper). Work a second job (and freelance on top of that). Do community charity every year. So how does Pres. Obama and the Democratic Congress repay my work ethic? Stick me and every other hard-working American tax-payer with the bill for a bunch of selfish undisciplined slackers. This Ant is getting sick of carrying lollygagging Grasshoppers on his back.

94 SixDegrees  Sat, May 23, 2009 12:36:37am

As I predicted - the bill gives credit card companies nine months to pillage the land and grandfather in as many suckers as it possibly can. Look for a massive explosion of effort aimed at getting cards in the hands of kiddies; huge increases in fees of all kinds; huge increases in interest rates, at a time when all other interest rates are hovering near zero percent; and huge fraud in credit card companies billing cycle and mailing schedule that will shove otherwise solid customers into penalty territory over late payments, from which they will never escape and which will be applied to all of their accounts before the exclusionary legislation kicks in.

I strongly suggest the others do what I've done for the last couple of years: monitor your account regularly, on the order of once per week, online. In particular, make certain that you receive statements that have allegedly been mailed, and that your payments are posted within a reasonable amount of time after you mail them back, particularly as you near the due date. If it's not there a day before the due date, make a minimum payment online to avoid being tossed into the penalty bin. I've seen the credit card companies playing all sorts of games in this arena for the last several months, in anticipation of this legislation; it will only get worse now that the bill has been passed.

95 SixDegrees  Sat, May 23, 2009 12:39:59am

re: #89 Cicero05

Great news! Now the people who have managed their credit card debt responsibly will be subsidizing the poor credit risks. Since the credit card companies are now under a federal mandate to be "nice" to cardholders with spotty bill-paying histories, they'll just make up those costs on the backs of the the rest of us.

Think you're immune because you pay your bill off in full each month? Think again.

Yep, you can look for a phase-out of the interest grace period. That means you'll be paying interest from the day you make a purchase, whether you pay off your balance in full at the end of the month or not. But you'll have a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that you're paying a little extra each month so that some credit-challenged customer can have a credit card on the same terms as the rest of us.

Deadbeatonomics!

The moment I start getting charged any such fees, my credit card goes in the drawer (you still need credit cards to rent car and make certain other types of purchases) and I apply for a debit card somewhere. Actually, I'll likely dump my credit card and get another one elsewhere, just to have the satisfaction of closing my account so there's no mistaking what I'm reacting to.

96 SixDegrees  Sat, May 23, 2009 12:48:20am

re: #28 dapperdave

You mean b.o. isn't going to pay my credit card debts after all?
I want my votes back!/

That'll come later. We ought to get hit with a tsunami of credit card defaults over the next few months as high unemployment takes it's toll on ability to pay. Default rates are already headed into the stratosphere, relatively speaking.

But the high probability of default was, I thought, the justification for stratospheric credit card interest rates. Why are they still charging 14%, 18% or as high as 35% that I've heard of when all other interest rates are hovering around 0%? Has anyone ever seen their interest rate go down? No, I didn't think so. And the excuse is always, "Well, there are a lot of deadbeats out there and the responsibility is shared," which is an obvious lie given that those making late payments automatically get their rate bumped much higher, and those who pay on time, month after month, year after year, are never rewarded with a reduction in rates.

97 bbcrackmonkey  Sat, May 23, 2009 12:51:34am

It kind of concerns me that this much sympathy could be generated for the credit card industry simply because Obama is giving them a slap on the wrist. There are so many predatory practices that credit cards engage in, the jacking up of interest rates for no reason along with a mountain of fines even if they mailed your bill one day before it was due are among the worst.

The kind of interest rates that credit cards charge now would have been considered usury in the past, and was until a Supreme Court ruling in the 1970s. It should be a lot harder to get credit than it currently is. Credit card companies are not only ensnaring consumers under a pile of debt, but they are being extremely irresponsible with their own money and only through jacking up interest rates and charging a large amount of fees are they able to recoup that money.

As a matter of fact I view this culture of debt that American consumers are becoming mired in as a great cause for concern, both from an economic and moral standpoint. It's very unhealthy for us as a society.

98 Baelzar  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:09:56am

Jesus titty-fucking Christ.

Is there no corner of Capitalism safe from these bastards?

You can easily predict who they'll attack; unpopular targets. Banks, Credit Card Companies, Big Oil, Big 3 automakers, cigarette companies....they're all on the menu.

We are the wheat, and they hold the scythe.

99 SixDegrees  Sat, May 23, 2009 2:34:41am

re: #98 Baelzar

Jesus titty-fucking Christ.

Is there no corner of Capitalism safe from these bastards?

You can easily predict who they'll attack; unpopular targets. Banks, Credit Card Companies, Big Oil, Big 3 automakers, cigarette companies....they're all on the menu.

We are the wheat, and they hold the scythe.

As bbcrackmonkey points out above, the CC companies brought this upon themselves by being assholes. This legislation has been meandering through Congress for several years now, blocked time and again by the banking lobby. It is long overdue, in my opinion.

The bill itself, however, is a joke. It give CC companies 9 months to continue plundering their customers and roping in new victims that will be grandfathered in before the bill's protections kick in. It doesn't address simple scams that the CC companies pull, like the statement release and delivery cycle and the posting of payments that leaves these items "lost" somewhere for more than a week each, even though the mail itself gets delivered in a couple of days, and the problem could be easily addressed by forcing the companies to use postmarks instead of arbitrary calendar dates to determine timleyness of payments. It also lets bad borrowers skate while penalizing good borrowers for their behavior.

But CC companies have been way, way over the line of reasonable behavior for years. They had it coming. Had it been left up to me, they would be smarting from even more pain.

100 uncle_walter87  Sat, May 23, 2009 7:01:12am

And with that, the era of personal responsibility has ended, making way for the era of "Hi, we're from the government and we're going to babysit you your entire life."

101 Cicero05  Sat, May 23, 2009 7:58:55am

re: #97 bbcrackmonkey

It kind of concerns me that this much sympathy could be generated for the credit card industry simply because Obama is giving them a slap on the wrist. There are so many predatory practices that credit cards engage in, the jacking up of interest rates for no reason along with a mountain of fines even if they mailed your bill one day before it was due are among the worst.

The point here is that grownups should be able to make their own decisions, and pay for them, without federal intervention. If the credit card company's rules are unfair, well, no one's holding a gun to your head -- don't use one, or pick one that has more attractive terms. Where in the Constitution is the federal government given the task of babysitting consumers who can't read a credit agreement?

This is standard Leftist operating procedure: pick a target that gets little sympathy from the public, and use the public's apathy (or antipathy) to expand regulatory reach of the government. Credit card companies, banks, insurance companies, "Big Oil", "Big Pharm" etc., etc. Every increase in government control over the economy is a commensurate decrease in our freedom to make our own decisions. Don't be an approving tool just because the current target is some popular villain.

Remember -- none of these industries can force you to buy its product. Government alone gets to take your money and your choices away by force.

102 Pupdawg  Sat, May 23, 2009 9:00:43am

Deficit spending? The American way! Bailout Bonanza baby, home, cars, credit cards.

Seriously, does anyone really expect those who abused the home mortgage industry so easily to now show credit card use discipline? As with all things, honest citizens will continue to get the shaft and with Obama spend, spend, spend mania that'd be one huge, never-ending shaft!

103 Nim Chimpsky  Sat, May 23, 2009 9:06:40am

We used to have an American Express card because my wife liked it for some inexplicable reason. I finally convinced her that we should ditch it and called AE. They did everything but threaten my firstborn before they agreed to cancel the card. Three months later we received a bill for $1200 worth of items that someone else had charged AFTER we canceled the card. Finally, FINALLY, after another two days of calls back and forth, the charges were erased and the card was canceled. We believe that the AE representative who put us through hell to cancel the card in the first place was the one who made the charges with our number or else sold our number. Of course we can't prove it. What a company.

104 ihateronpaul  Sat, May 23, 2009 1:13:42pm

This is great news. Credit card companies are drunk on power and changing terms and conditions left and right.

before you shoot the messenger, take a look.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

105 The Mongoose  Sat, May 23, 2009 3:11:44pm

re: #99 SixDegrees

I work for a credit card company. Not as a call center rep, I'm one of the people who designs products and monitors credit models. In other words, one of the people being demonized by legislators and commentators like yourself.

The simple fact of the matter is that this legislation will harm good customers while helping those who spend over their limit, miss payments, and generally behave irresponsibly.

The reason we charge high rates on many (not all) cards is that such a high percentage of customers never repay their loans. when issuing cards to lower-risk customers, we charge lower rates and/or offer rewards because only 2% of these customers will "charge off" (default) rather than the 10%+ of customers with lower credit scores.

When faced with regulatory measures like this, the companies' hands are tied. We cannot simply lose money on riskier customers. Charging penalty interest and fees on delinquent customers allows us to maintain lower rates on good customers. Now we will have to pursue some combination of higher rates/fees and tighter credit policies. Many (and I mean millions and millions) of the people who complain so bitterly about the 19.8% rates they pay now will be completely ineligible for a card in the new world. Will they be happier borrowing at 60%+ from payday loan companies?

Of course, Obama will then just regulate that industry too...leading to a total lack of credit for huge numbers of lower-middle class Americans. This is not a good thing. The economic consequences of a widespread lack of access to credit are horrendous. And those who are cut off will, by and large, be those who always paid their bills in the past, because Obama & friends have robbed the industry of the ability to price a bad customer appropriately.

106 rwdflynavy  Sun, May 24, 2009 3:53:12am

The only good news on this bill is the provision to return to the states the power to decide where law-abiding gun owners can carry. In 9 months, state law on firearms will take precedence in National Parks.

The rules for criminals carrying in National Parks will not change.

107 quickjustice  Sun, May 24, 2009 6:28:14am

re: #105 The Mongoose

I understand your point about pricing credit. I also have been nailed by a $40 "late fee" on a $100 credit card balance. I've also been denied a checking account by a bank, because my ex-wife defaulted on her credit card payments. So I deal exclusively in cash through no choice of my own. And my banishment from the banking system is for twelve (12) years. That's longer than persons convicted of armed robbery of a bank get in this town.

It's one thing to penalize a delinquent or defaulting card holder with high interest rates, or even denial of credit entirely. It's quite another to deny him or her access to the banking system entirely by refusing to open a checking account. When banks use shared databases to deny access to the banking system entirely, there's no recourse. No court of law, no due process, no litigation where a debtor can defend himself from abusive bank practices. Obama's legislation addresses none of these issues. That's because the credit card industry has bought and paid for Obama and the Congress, GOP and Democrat alike.

And of course, I'm now paying for the bailout of the screw-ups in the banking system, all of whom are getting promotions, bonuses, and raises from the Obama Administration. Failures should be fired, not promoted. Obama promotes and rewards failure. Obama is worse than Bush ever was. He's just better at reading his teleprompter.

108 themadmax  Sun, May 24, 2009 7:40:15am

re: #105 The Mongoose


The simple fact of the matter is that this legislation will harm good customers while helping those who spend over their limit, miss payments, and generally behave irresponsibly.


The irony of this is that in the short term, this will dry up credit even further while the government wants people to spend more; in the long term, it will cause another credit bubble like the housing market crisis that got us into this mess:

This bill dries up the ways of balancing risk when loaning to high-risk individuals. The only option, if you can't lend and make a profit, is to drop them. When credit is denied to high-risk individuals, lawyers will pounce on the possibility of massively profitable class action lawsuits for discrimination against protected classes. Credit card companies will be blackmailed, as the home mortgage industry was, into lending to overly risky individuals (sub-prime sounds cleaner...) and will have to cover their probable losses in another way: higher rates, fees, and overly complex risk sharing investment tools. As credit is extended to the irresponsible, they will buy more, inflating prices for all. A credit bubble of a different sort...

109 Mikey_Dallas  Sun, May 24, 2009 9:06:57am

re: #28 dapperdave


I want my votes back!/

Now THAT'S a bumper sticker waiting to be made ! That's really good.

110 capt26thga  Sun, May 24, 2009 5:42:30pm

sheeples, sheeples, sheeples......bahhhhhh

111 David Gillies  Sun, May 24, 2009 8:20:45pm

@99:
"But CC companies have been way, way over the line of reasonable behavior for years. They had it coming."

'They' are not the ones that will be adversely affected by this legislation. This is of a piece with the numbskulls who think that jacking up corporation tax is a good way of punishing 'greedy' companies. It takes no account of the incidence of the new rules. Incidence is a technical term that designates who actually pays for a tax or fee, rather than who it was aimed at in the first place. No company in the history of the planet has ever paid corporation tax. Instead, it is borne by three classes of people: customers, via higher prices; shareholders, via lower returns to capital and, most of all, employees via lower wages. Thus it is with adding restrictions to credit card lending. The companies will simply shift to a new equilibrium point, one that is not what would have been set by the market, and that will not be good for the rest of us.

Setting the price of a good or service at below the market clearing price is the textbook way to engineer a shortage. It's quite typical of that jug-eared buffoon Obama that he thinks restricting the availability of credit in the teeth of a recession is a sensible idea.


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