Paulians Pushing for Judge Napolitano

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Ron Paul “activists” are pushing hard to get Judge Andrew Napolitano his own show on Fox News — because they know he’ll be an advocate for their whacked out economic theories and the conspiracy madness of people like Alex Jones and Lew Rockwell: Don’t read this if you aren’t a libertarian blogger.

Given Fox News’s turn toward the hard right, the bug-eyed craziness of Glenn Beck, and the frequent appearances of Ron Paul on several of their shows, I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if this happens.

You may recall that on his Fox News webcast recently, Napolitano introduced Alex Jones as “the one, the only, the great Alex Jones.”

And here’s an interesting and revealing little tidbit of Ron Paul information: on the YouTube channel of a vile racist freak going by the name of “NonJewMedia,” the only subscription is to … Ron Paul’s official YouTube channel.

For more on why the increasing legitimization of Ron Paul in the GOP is such a terrible development: Angry White Man - The bigoted past of Ron Paul.

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246 comments

JacksonTn Mon, May 25, 2009 11:48:47am

TV sucks ...

Macker Mon, May 25, 2009 11:49:55am

Isn't Fox News partially owned by an Arab?

Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 11:50:02am

re: #1 JacksonTn

TV sucks ...

Fox news sucks.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 11:50:37am

Fox News has fully turned into the caricature. BTW, nobody I know watches Fox News anymore.

wrenchwench Mon, May 25, 2009 11:50:52am

“NowJewMedia,”

Typo. First w should be n.

_RememberTonyC Mon, May 25, 2009 11:51:13am

If FOX thinks the Judge will pull in ratings, they'll find a show for him to host. Simple as that ...

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 11:51:38am

This hard right shift must be something VERY new since I gave up watching them more than at a glance before the election. At that time they were going remarkably squishy FMSM with all their preoccupation with missing white girls.

Gella Mon, May 25, 2009 11:52:17am

i am just wondering how many ppl will see that show: 5?

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 11:52:34am

re: #4 ArrowSmith

Fox News has fully turned into the caricature. BTW, nobody I know watches Fox News anymore.

My mother recently started watching FNC instead of the alphabet news because of a cousin who is on occasionally.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 11:53:25am

re: #8 Gella

i am just wondering how many ppl will see that show: 5?

Given the numbers FNC has I doubt it. FNC still garners a quite respectable number of viewers.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 11:53:53am

re: #9 FurryOldGuyJeans

My mother recently started watching FNC instead of the alphabet news because of a cousin who is on occasionally.

You have to understand a few years ago we all watched FNC. Somewhere in the last year they've gone full blown crazy. It's not that I ever liked O'Reilly or Hannity to begin with. But Shepherd Smith used to be a reasonable guy - that that whole "we don't f***en torture" business...

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 11:54:12am

BTW - Greta is the only voice of reason left on FNC. Who would have thought?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, May 25, 2009 11:54:16am

Good marketing strategy -- if you've got a cow that produces, milk it.

/would the imagery of milking a bull be a bit more appropriate?

_RememberTonyC Mon, May 25, 2009 11:55:39am

FOX News has many flaws, but when you look at its competition, they look a bit better. I may be wrong, but Hannity seems to have vastly reduced the presence of pat buchanan. buchanan on the other hand is a paid performer on MSNBC. And the odious C. Amanpour is still on the air for CNN. One thing I will always like about FOX is that they give the right of center crowd a fair shake and they DO want America to do well. The same cannot be said for its competition.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 11:55:45am

For all the faults of FNC they still provide an alternative voice to the group-think that is the rest of the FMSM.

legalpad Mon, May 25, 2009 11:56:05am

re: #3 Sharmuta

Fox news sucks.

By all means, let's silence them./

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #15 FurryOldGuyJeans

For all the faults of FNC they still provide an alternative voice to the group-think that is the rest of the FMSM.

Really? It doesn't seem like that anymore. I hardly call Glenn Beck an "alternative voice". He's just plain batshit crazy. He preys on vulnerable minds.

axegrinder Mon, May 25, 2009 11:56:49am

re: #12 ArrowSmith

I like Greta. She's a flaming lib. but you wouldn't know it watching her program. Very professional.

_RememberTonyC Mon, May 25, 2009 11:57:26am

re: #1 JacksonTn

TV sucks ...

ESPN doesn't suck :)

MandyManners Mon, May 25, 2009 11:57:32am

re: #12 ArrowSmith

BTW - Greta is the only voice of reason left on FNC. Who would have thought?

I like Cavuto.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 11:57:33am

Gonna throw something out here. I have listened to the "Judge" on the radio for several years now.

He was always very fair minded and smart, and was able to explain things very clearly, and did not go for the nut types.

The issues regarding water-boarding started him down the path he has begun to travel, but the bail-outs completely sent him over the edge of the cliff.

I always enjoyed him, and hated the show when Brian was on (I always preferred when he hosts alone, Brian is not a stunning mind IMHO).

The Judge is aligning himself with the wrong crowd. Don't think he's in it for the money (he's loaded) mebbe the fame, but he believes what he is saying.

quickjustice Mon, May 25, 2009 11:57:39am

I heard Napolitano, as a "libertarian", debate a conservative about the Iraq War three years ago. He accused the Bush Administration of war crimes, opposed the Iraq War, and said that Bush was using the 9/11 terrorist attacks as an excuse to destroy civil liberties and create a dictatorship.

This was long before anyone considered Barack Obama a serious contender for the presidency. I was not impressed.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 11:57:49am

re: #18 axegrinder

I like Greta. She's a flaming lib. but you wouldn't know it watching her program. Very professional.

That's really the point - she's not a flaming lib anymore. She's become quite the moderate.

amphibian Mon, May 25, 2009 11:58:38am

Ds going overtly commie, Rs going Paulian, and North Korea trying out a new nuke for Hairy Persian Dwarf. Meanwhile, Hussein Husseinovich is preening in the mirror -- "Does this teleprompter make me look fat?" Gee, what can possibly go wrong?

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 11:58:54am

re: #22 quickjustice

That was just about when the "turn" began, if you ask me.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 11:59:03am

re: #17 ArrowSmith

Really? It doesn't seem like that anymore. I hardly call Glenn Beck an "alternative voice". He's just plain batshit crazy. He preys on vulnerable minds.

Agree with Beck or disagree, what he blathers is distinctly different than the fever-swamp vomiting from the Left.

And I 100% disagree with Beck and his insanity.

Killgore Trout Mon, May 25, 2009 11:59:07am

on the YouTube channel of a vile racist freak going by the name of “NonJewMedia,” the only subscriber is ... whoever runs Ron Paul’s official YouTube channel.

Ouch.

Gella Mon, May 25, 2009 11:59:24am

did u hear that Glen Beck does stand up comedy now?
[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

why? beats me, every time i see that commercial in a movie theater, i get .........................................

Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 11:59:27am

The media and the various talking heads are not in this for the ideology. They are in this for the money. They don't give a damn about conservatism, they only care about their bottom line.

They are not our friends. We are their meal ticket.

MandyManners Mon, May 25, 2009 11:59:27am

He grew up so fast!

Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 11:59:56am

3 pm on the East coast. Take a minute to remember those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice.

unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 25, 2009 12:00:07pm

re: #17 ArrowSmith

Really? It doesn't seem like that anymore. I hardly call Glenn Beck an "alternative voice". He's just plain batshit crazy. He preys on vulnerable minds.

Beck does only 5 hours a week. Those are very long hours mind you, but only 5.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:00:35pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

The media and the various talking heads are not in this for the ideology. They are in this for the money. They don't give a damn about conservatism, they only care about their bottom line.

They are not our friends. We are their meal ticket.

I cancelled my cable more then 4 years ago. My parents just cancelled theirs. We are not their meal ticket any longer. Vote with your pocket book.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:00:42pm

Greta covers the latest disappeared white chick, or latest missing/murdered/angelic white kid.

All I hear her talk about.

I can't imagine that she enjoys it.

axegrinder Mon, May 25, 2009 12:01:09pm

Beck seems to have a bit of a clown messiah complex. He wants to be a prophet of truth but comes across silly and ridiculous. If I hear he said it I immediately think "This is probably bullshit." I can't help myself. But I truly believe he is out to help America. He wants/needs to be a patriot. It just doesn't always come across that way. Too silly.

kynna Mon, May 25, 2009 12:01:09pm

Why don't they cut out the middle man and give us the "Paul, Rockwell, Jones" hour?

Of course, I wouldn't watch it because I don't watch any TV unless it appeals to young children, so ... wait, that doesn't actually count them out, does it?

Killgore Trout Mon, May 25, 2009 12:01:14pm

re: #22 quickjustice

Last week he filled in for Glenn Beck who was sick. He had Ron Paul on and that was the exact topic they discussed. It's disgraceful.

itellu3times Mon, May 25, 2009 12:01:24pm

re: #10 FurryOldGuyJeans

Given the numbers FNC has I doubt it. FNC still garners a quite respectable number of viewers.

Which is different from a number of quite respectable viewers.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:01:39pm

re: #32 unrealizedviewpoint

Beck does only 5 hours a week. Those are very long hours mind you, but only 5.

I consider the entire MSM/Talk radio to be a "toxic zone for the mind". Much better to get the news facts on the internet and read blogs.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:02:02pm

re: #35 axegrinder

Beck seems to have a bit of a clown messiah complex. He wants to be a prophet of truth but comes across silly and ridiculous. If I hear he said it I immediately think "This is probably bullshit." I can't help myself. But I truly believe he is out to help America. He wants/needs to be a patriot. It just doesn't always come across that way. Too silly.

Beck is so much a Howard Beale. FNC will promote him until they no longer need him.

Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 12:02:02pm

re: #33 ArrowSmith

I cancelled my cable more then 4 years ago. My parents just cancelled theirs. We are not their meal ticket any longer. Vote with your pocket book.

I quit watching fox years ago, and when I moved into my current abode, I didn't bother to get cable at all.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:02:23pm

re: #23 ArrowSmith

Hi, btw.

Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 12:02:27pm

re: #40 FurryOldGuyJeans

Beck is so much a Howard Beale. FNC will promote him until they no longer need him.

He's mad as hell......

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:02:31pm

Next thing you know Alex Jones will get a show on FNC. Followed by Jeff Rense and Lew Rockwell.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:02:38pm

re: #38 itellu3times

Which is different from a number of quite respectable viewers.

You will never catch me making that error. ;)

A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 25, 2009 12:02:39pm

President Obama has asked the Nation to have a moment of Silence for our Vets at 3pm..today..
God Bless our fallen Hero's..
God Bless America..

axegrinder Mon, May 25, 2009 12:03:07pm

re: #20 MandyManners

I like Cavuto.

Anybody watch fox business channel he's always hawking? I appreciate self deprecating humor. Cavuto is pretty good at it.

Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 12:03:08pm

Nacsar stopped the Coca-Cola 600 to remember.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:03:40pm

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hi, btw.

Yo!

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:03:59pm

re: #33 ArrowSmith

I cancelled my cable more then 4 years ago. My parents just cancelled theirs. We are not their meal ticket any longer. Vote with your pocket book.

re: #41 Sharmuta

I quit watching fox years ago, and when I moved into my current abode, I didn't bother to get cable at all.

I have cable so as to get the non-fiction TV.

And I don't mean reality TV either. *BLEH*

Desert Dog Mon, May 25, 2009 12:04:01pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gonna throw something out here. I have listened to the "Judge" on the radio for several years now.

He was always very fair minded and smart, and was able to explain things very clearly, and did not go for the nut types.

The issues regarding water-boarding started him down the path he has begun to travel, but the bail-outs completely sent him over the edge of the cliff.

I always enjoyed him, and hated the show when Brian was on (I always preferred when he hosts alone, Brian is not a stunning mind IMHO).

The Judge is aligning himself with the wrong crowd. Don't think he's in it for the money (he's loaded) mebbe the fame, but he believes what he is saying.

I used to like him as well. He came across as quite intelligent and a clear thinker. What the hell has happened? Or, are his actual political beliefs just now surfacing? He has to know that by hanging around with these types will taint him. Guess he does not care.

itellu3times Mon, May 25, 2009 12:04:27pm

re: #35 axegrinder

Beck seems to have a bit of a clown messiah complex.

Great phrase.

Seems like a lot of CMC going around, starting with the Obozo in the White House.

unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 25, 2009 12:04:50pm

re: #39 ArrowSmith

I consider the entire MSM/Talk radio to be a "toxic zone for the mind". Much better to get the news facts on the internet and read blogs.

Toxic huh? Isn't that exactly what the MSM/Talk radio think of blogs.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:05:25pm

re: #48 Racer X

Nacsar stopped the Coca-Cola 600 to remember.

A bunch of respectful rubes and hicks....who'da thunk it?

/ is it sarcasm, or is it memorex?

kynna Mon, May 25, 2009 12:05:51pm

re: #32 unrealizedviewpoint

Beck does only 5 hours a week. Those are very long hours mind you, but only 5.

He also still has a radio show, doesn't he? And he's a frequent guest on other people's shows. Add that to his books and that wack-job is a pretty visible. Lucrative, too.

justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:05:55pm

re: #2 Macker

Isn't Fox News partially owned by an Arab?

What does that have to do with anything?

A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 25, 2009 12:05:55pm

re: #48 Racer X

Nacsar stopped the Coca-Cola 600 to remember.

I've never seen that before..They stopped the race at 3pm for 1 minute..Whoa..
Very respectful...Way to go NASCAR!

eeyore Mon, May 25, 2009 12:06:03pm

When I first saw the headline, I thought "Why in the world would Ron Paul supporters want Janet Napolitano on the Supreme Court..."

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #53 unrealizedviewpoint

Toxic huh? Isn't that exactly what the MSM/Talk radio think of blogs.

Of course they do. We are missing our daily 5 Minute Hate session if we read and comment on blogs.

Summer Seale Mon, May 25, 2009 12:06:45pm

I'd just like to say, as a non-Jew and an atheist, that even if I were Jewish, I couldn't take those anti-Semitic bullshit comments from Ron Paul's supporter even more personally than I already do.

A year after WFB's death, the man who fought so hard to kick out the Birchers from the Republican Party, we see nobody take up the fight as well as he did and keep them all at bay again. This is terrible and I think WFB is turning in his grave right now because of it.

There should be no room in the Republican party for these assholes, no tolerance for their lies and bullshit, and no place for their hatred.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:06:46pm

re: #53 unrealizedviewpoint

Toxic huh? Isn't that exactly what the MSM/Talk radio think of blogs.

The problem with the MSM/Talk radio is you don't get real discussion. At least here on comment boards(not all), you have the possibility to really hash out issues in all their detail.

Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 12:07:04pm

re: #54 FurryOldGuyJeans

One thing about Nascar - every single race they acknowledge our troops. They've done so for years.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:07:06pm

re: #56 justdanny

What does that have to do with anything?

Possible editorial pressure is why it might be relevant.

Vicious Babushka Mon, May 25, 2009 12:07:09pm

on the YouTube channel of a vile racist freak going by the name of “NonJewMedia,” the only subscriber is ... whoever runs Ron Paul’s official YouTube channel.

There are 92 subscribers to this whackjob's poison feed. Are they all the same person? I sure hate to think they are 92 different racists.

midwestgak Mon, May 25, 2009 12:07:26pm

re: #46 HoosierHoops

I updinged you, not Obama's request. Love this nation.

SixDegrees Mon, May 25, 2009 12:08:01pm

Let them go ahead and put another twit on Fox. The Ronulans are adept at astroturfing - it's the only thing they're really good at, as they demonstrated during the last election and are demonstrating again in this case. In the media business, though, it isn't about how many sock puppets you can register. It's about advertising dollars. Unless the Ronulans start buying homes, television sets and Arbitron memberships for their socks, the whole enterprise will crash, burn and leave a smoking hole in the ground.

It may very well wind up taking Fox News down along with it. But that's the price you pay for consorting with assholes.

opnion Mon, May 25, 2009 12:08:01pm

FNC is one thing, but take a look at MSNBC, with Ed Schultz, Olberman & Chris Mattews. That place is a nut house.

Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 12:08:14pm

re: #39 ArrowSmith

I consider the entire MSM/Talk radio to be a "toxic zone for the mind". Much better to get the news facts on the internet and read blogs.

I agree! I listened to Rush for many, many years, but just grew out of talk radio. When I found LGF and blogs, I was thrilled because it allowed for more real discussions instead of listening to one person's ideas like you get with the radio format. Since finding blogs, I feel I've been much better able to define for myself where I truly stand on issues. I don't need to be spoon fed by the msm or any pundit either. I think until people realize that all forms of the media are in it for self-interested reasons, we'll continue to have issues.

Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 12:08:24pm

re: #57 HoosierHoops

I've never seen that before..They stopped the race at 3pm for 1 minute..Whoa..
Very respectful...Way to go NASCAR!

Very classy.

Unlike Google.

Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 12:08:25pm

re: #44 ArrowSmith

Next thing you know Alex Jones will get a show on FNC. Followed by Jeff Rense and Lew Rockwell.

And pamela geller.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:08:35pm

re: #62 Racer X

One thing about Nascar - every single race they acknowledge our troops. They've done so for years.

I am not a fan of racing one bit, would rather listen to Obama speak, but I will never deny that the fans are the true heart of America and American patriotism.

Vicious Babushka Mon, May 25, 2009 12:09:14pm

The "NonJewMedia" subscribes to the Ron Paul channel, but has 92 subscribers to its filth.

Now I need a shower.

Desert Dog Mon, May 25, 2009 12:09:28pm

I did not know this:

Both Dr. Murray Sabrin and Lew Rockwell mentioned Napolitano as a possible vice presidential running mate for Republican Ron Paul during the 2008 presidential election.[3]

Andrew Napolitano

snowcrash Mon, May 25, 2009 12:09:59pm

re: #62 Racer X
Sometime during the election season I read this at SI: Almost 90 percent of the checks written by those affiliated with NASCAR flow to Republican candidates.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:00pm

BTW, every time I see a photo of Jeff Rense I think "poodle".

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #43 Sharmuta

He's mad as hell......

Nah, he's just plain mad. As in raving moonbat insane.

Desert Dog Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:15pm

re: #72 Alouette

I loved your GOOGLE sign.....great job!

Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #60 Summer

I'd just like to say, as a non-Jew and an atheist, that even if I were Jewish, I couldn't take those anti-Semitic bullshit comments from Ron Paul's supporter even more personally than I already do.

A year after WFB's death, the man who fought so hard to kick out the Birchers from the Republican Party, we see nobody take up the fight as well as he did and keep them all at bay again. This is terrible and I think WFB is turning in his grave right now because of it.

There should be no room in the Republican party for these assholes, no tolerance for their lies and bullshit, and no place for their hatred.

The only one to pick up the slack and fight back has been one Mr Charles Johnson, and his thanks for this has been smear jobs from almost every quarter. Sad.

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:29pm

re: #68 Sharmuta

Rush feel threatened by the blogs - thus he disses them.

Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:39pm

Charles,

These last two threads place a very useful juxtaposition of the questions facing the Republican Party:

Should the Republicans build on a base of traditional conservative base while embracing moderates and centrists?

Or...

Should the Republicans join the extremists, racists and frankly paranoid in a goose-step toward electoral oblivion?

Tough call.

Vicious Babushka Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:43pm

re: #77 Desert Dog

I loved your GOOGLE sign.....great job!

Thank you.

Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:56pm

re: #74 snowcrash

Sometime during the election season I read this at SI: Almost 90 percent of the checks written by those affiliated with NASCAR flow to Republican candidates.

No surprise there.

Gella Mon, May 25, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nah, he's just plain mad. As in raving moonbat insane.

and never the less his stand up shows sold out

justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:11:07pm

re: #63 FurryOldGuyJeans

Possible editorial pressure is why it might be relevant.

Seems really odd to me that someones ethnicity alone can be suggested as a possible reason fr anything.

Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 12:11:30pm

PS- Summer, it's good to see you around again. I've missed you.

unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 25, 2009 12:11:34pm

re: #57 HoosierHoops

I've never seen that before..They stopped the race at 3pm for 1 minute..Whoa..
Very respectful...Way to go NASCAR!

They stopped the race? I would have loved to have seen all those cars slamming on their brakes at the same time. I miss all the good stuff.
/

ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:11:40pm

re: #80 Kenneth

Charles,

These last two threads place a very useful juxtaposition of the questions facing the Republican Party:

Should the Republicans build on a base of traditional conservative base while embracing moderates and centrists?

Or...

Should the Republicans join the extremists, racists and frankly paranoid in a goose-step toward electoral oblivion?

Tough call.

How about embrace moderate positions instead of one of the 2 extremes? Moderates in both parties are sick of the ultra left/right crap.

Desert Dog Mon, May 25, 2009 12:11:50pm

re: #80 Kenneth

Charles,

These last two threads place a very useful juxtaposition of the questions facing the Republican Party:

Should the Republicans build on a base of traditional conservative base while embracing moderates and centrists?

Or...

Should the Republicans join the extremists, racists and frankly paranoid in a goose-step toward electoral oblivion?

Tough call.

I'll vote for the former as I would rather die than join the latter

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:13:39pm

re: #84 justdanny

Seems really odd to me that someones ethnicity alone can be suggested as a possible reason fr anything.

Ok, would a foreign national be better? No matter how you slice it someone who most likely holds views antithetical to American freedom and ideals is possibly giving directions for a major media outlet. I find THAT very troubling.

Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 12:14:11pm

re: #60 Summer

One thousand up-dings!

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:14:28pm

re: #83 Gella

and never the less his stand up shows sold out

P.T. Barnum got rich as well.

Summer Seale Mon, May 25, 2009 12:14:47pm

re: #85 Sharmuta

PS- Summer, it's good to see you around again. I've missed you.

Thank you and I missed you too. I've been really busy so I haven't had much energy to comment, although I always read LGF every day (even when I don't say anything for a while. =) ) I'm actually gonna go out and do the lunch thing in a min but I felt like saying thanks and hi. =)

_RememberTonyC Mon, May 25, 2009 12:14:58pm

In other news, the Red Sox are hammering away at the Twins ....

A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 25, 2009 12:15:09pm

re: #86 unrealizedviewpoint

They stopped the race? I would have loved to have seen all those cars slamming on their brakes at the same time. I miss all the good stuff.
/

No sir..At 3pm..All the cars pulled into the pits and the whole track went silent for our fallen vets...
Drivers on the Radio are reporting it was one of the most moving thing they have ever been involved in...
Thank you to our Hero's
Thank you Mr. President.

Charles Johnson Mon, May 25, 2009 12:15:17pm

re: #64 Alouette

There are 92 subscribers to this whackjob's poison feed. Are they all the same person? I sure hate to think they are 92 different racists.

YouTube has become a home for some of the most extreme racist haters on the web. Some of the comment threads are indistinguishable from Stormfront.

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:15:22pm

re: #80 Kenneth

Charles,

These last two threads place a very useful juxtaposition of the questions facing the Republican Party:

Should the Republicans build on a base of traditional conservative base while embracing moderates and centrists?

Or...

Should the Republicans join the extremists, racists and frankly paranoid in a goose-step toward electoral oblivion?

Tough call.

Doing what is right/correct will never be easy.

Spartacus50 Mon, May 25, 2009 12:15:36pm

Which Republican does the MSM love more? ron paul, John McCain or Colin Powell?

Neutral President Mon, May 25, 2009 12:16:03pm

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Greta covers the latest disappeared white chick, or latest missing/murdered/angelic white kid.

All I hear her talk about.

I can't imagine that she enjoys it.

Does this mean she's going to get another 6 months paid vacation to somewhere like she did with Aruba?

FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:16:50pm

re: #97 Spartacus50

Which Republican does the MSM love more? ron paul, John McCain or Colin Powell?

Which one is most likely to keep Dems in control at the moment? That is who they promote.

100

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:17:08pm

re: #98 ArchangelMichael

Soon as a cutie disappears!

101

amir Mon, May 25, 2009 12:17:30pm

"And here’s an interesting and revealing little tidbit of Ron Paul information: on the YouTube channel of a vile racist freak going by the name of “NonJewMedia,” the only subscriber is ... whoever runs Ron Paul’s official YouTube channel."

I understood this to mean that the guy who runs the antisemitic site has one subscriber - the guy from Ron Paul. But following comment #64 I understand the opposite is true. The guy running the antisemitic site subscribes to the Ron Paul site. There is a BIG difference. I think what Charles meant to write is the (or should have written) is "his only subscription is to" rather than "the only subscriber is".
Please correct e if I'm wrong. I've never thought much about youtube subscriptions.

102

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:17:37pm

I'll take Andrew over Janet for SCOTUS.

103

Desert Dog Mon, May 25, 2009 12:17:39pm

re: #89 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, would a foreign national be better? No matter how you slice it someone who most likely holds views antithetical to American freedom and ideals is possibly giving directions for a major media outlet. I find THAT very troubling.

I would guess it's Murdoch himself doing this. It's about money and always has been. If flaming liberalism was hot, you'd see Olbermann or a clone on Fox in 10 seconds. Right now Fox is killing their competition in the ratings. The top 5 or 6 cable news shows are all on FOX. As long as it sells, they will continue. Glenn Beck is bringing home the bacon for the the News Corp and he will be there until he does not. Fox, in general, has always catered to the lowest common denominator.....it's about money, not ideology.

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Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 12:18:49pm

re: #95 Charles

YouTube has become a home for some of the most extreme racist haters on the web. Some of the comment threads are indistinguishable from Stormfront.

I rarely read the comments on Youtube. It totally bums me out to see fellow Americans that full of stupid. The comments from those outside of America are equally ridiculous.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:19:02pm

re: #87 ArrowSmith

I might be skeered of you for a while.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:19:39pm

re: #103 Desert Dog

I would guess it's Murdoch himself doing this. It's about money and always has been. If flaming liberalism was hot, you'd see Olbermann or a clone on Fox in 10 seconds. Right now Fox is killing their competition in the ratings. The top 5 or 6 cable news shows are all on FOX. As long as it sells, they will continue. Glenn Beck is bringing home the bacon for the the News Corp and he will be there until he does not. Fox, in general, has always catered to the lowest common denominator.....it's about money, not ideology.

The day of just reporting the news never were. Money and ideology was part and parcel of our Republic's media from the beginning.

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Desert Dog Mon, May 25, 2009 12:19:52pm

re: #97 Spartacus50

Which Republican does the MSM love more? ron paul, John McCain or Colin Powell?

All three for different reasons.

They love Ron Paul because he makes ALL Republicans look like kooks

They love McCain as a candidate because he is a horrible campaigner and virtually guaranteed Obama would win

And, they love Colin Powell because they can roll him out to show how out of touch the Republicans are.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:19:54pm

re: #89 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, would a foreign national be better? No matter how you slice it someone who most likely holds views antithetical to American freedom and ideals is possibly giving directions for a major media outlet. I find THAT very troubling.

I dont share your view and I dont choose to frame it the way you do. I dont believe anyones ethnicity predicts their behaivour.

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Charles Johnson Mon, May 25, 2009 12:21:02pm

re: #101 amir

Yes, I wrote that too fast and reversed the meaning. It's corrected now.

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MandyManners Mon, May 25, 2009 12:21:50pm

re: #108 justdanny

I dont share your view and I dont choose to frame it the way you do. I dont believe anyones ethnicity predicts their behaivour.

It's not his ethnicity that gives me pause.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:23:09pm

So then I should be suspicious of all Arabs?

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snowcrash Mon, May 25, 2009 12:23:34pm

re: #94 HoosierHoops

I wanted to tell you how much I appreciated reading your post remembering the silent service on the overnight thread.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #109 Charles

"Strike that. Reverse it."
-Willie Wonka

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:26:01pm

'If Israel doesn't remove Iranian threat, no one will'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Ya mean you feel that way after talking to Obama? Shocka?

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:26:07pm

Truly devout muslims, muslims meaning those who worship the warrior prophet of islam, I have my suspicions about. Arabs per se don't bother me at all.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:26:08pm

re: #112 snowcrash

(he was drunk)

Where?

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:26:40pm

re: #108 justdanny

I dont share your view and I dont choose to frame it the way you do. I dont believe anyones ethnicity predicts their behaivour.

That was another poster, not me. Being someone not an American is my concern.

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Vicious Babushka Mon, May 25, 2009 12:26:42pm

re: #95 Charles

YouTube has become a home for some of the most extreme racist haters on the web. Some of the comment threads are indistinguishable from Stormfront.

Liveleak is where you find all the racists who are too extreme for YouTube.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:28:44pm

re: #112 snowcrash

That was nice.

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MandyManners Mon, May 25, 2009 12:28:51pm

re: #111 justdanny

So then I should be suspicious of all Arabs?

Islam is not a race.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:29:03pm

re: #118 Alouette

Liveleak is where you find all the racists who are too extreme for YouTube.

Can I avoid both, please?

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:30:53pm

re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok. Then there we agree. I'm not cool with foreigners owning our media outlets, although I dont get my news from any tv or radio or newspapers here or abroad. US based news is 99% product, like a toaster. I dont get my news from my toaster.

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Former Belgian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:30:54pm

re: #44 ArrowSmith

Next thing you know Alex Jones will get a show on FNC. Followed by Jeff Rense and Lew Rockwell.

Jeff Rancid? Perish the thought...

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Desert Dog Mon, May 25, 2009 12:30:58pm

re: #121 FurryOldGuyJeans

Can I avoid both, please?

I like the music and the old TV shows and movie clips you can see. The rest of it is trash...l

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:31:00pm

re: #109 Charles

Yes, I wrote that too fast and reversed the meaning. It's corrected now.

EEEP! Our Lizard Overlord is fallible?!? *GASP* ;)

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:31:28pm

re: #120 MandyManners
Islam is a culture. Arab may or not be a race.

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Last Mohican Mon, May 25, 2009 12:31:35pm

re: #46 HoosierHoops

President Obama has asked the Nation to have a moment of Silence for our Vets at 3pm..today..
God Bless our fallen Hero's..
God Bless America..

Another good move from a man I don't often praise. But I thank him for this. I missed the 3PM moment of silence here on the East Coast, but I will go ahead and join in the ones for the other three time zones.

And by the way, I highly recommend the "map the fallen" project that Charles posted about a few threads back. It was a very worthwhile (if not particularly cheery) experience spending some time on it.

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FrogMarch Mon, May 25, 2009 12:31:47pm

re: #20 MandyManners

I like Cavuto.

and O'Reilly is at least reasonable and level headed (for the most part)

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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 25, 2009 12:31:49pm

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(he was drunk)

Where?

Veggie!
Of course I was...Just one of those stories that when you spend 20 years of your life building Nuclear Subs and meeting the heros that drive them...

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MandyManners Mon, May 25, 2009 12:32:18pm

re: #128 FrogMarch

and O'Reilly is at least reasonable and level headed (for the most part)

Too much bluster for my taste.

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Sharmuta Mon, May 25, 2009 12:32:30pm

re: #122 justdanny

I dont get my news from my toaster.

Rotating title?

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:32:35pm

re: #124 Desert Dog

I like the music and the old TV shows and movie clips you can see. The rest of it is trash...l

I watch my old TV shows on DVD. My local library system rocks in that respect, and Netflix and Blockbuster Online fill in the rest.

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Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 12:32:41pm

re: #128 FrogMarch

and O'Reilly is at least reasonable and level headed (for the most part)

*spews Coke onto monitor*

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ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:32:46pm

re: #126 justdanny

Islam is a culture. Arab may or not be a race.

There are Morroccan/Syrian Jews who you wouldn't be able to tell apart from an Arab. It's very complicated in that part of the world.

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albusteve Mon, May 25, 2009 12:33:01pm

re: #124 Desert Dog

I like the music and the old TV shows and movie clips you can see. The rest of it is trash...l

YouTube is the vehicle...some of the passengers are despicable....FOX otoh is totally despicable

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:33:09pm

re: #129 HoosierHoops

That was cool.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:33:34pm

Does anybody get nervous when a brand new Lizard knows the ropes as well as the old lizards?

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:33:40pm

re: #128 FrogMarch

and O'Reilly is at least reasonable and level headed (for the most part)

Level headed and reasonable is not how I would describe O'Reilly, unless you are comparing him to Michael Savage.

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:34:10pm

re: #129 HoosierHoops

Veggie!
Of course I was...Just one of those stories that when you spend 20 years of your life building Nuclear Subs and meeting the heros that drive them...

Speaking of which, the USS Hartford limp back home last Thursday into Groton. That baby is gonna cost a small fortune to repair.

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Last Mohican Mon, May 25, 2009 12:34:17pm

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

If FOX thinks the Judge will pull in ratings, they'll find a show for him to host. Simple as that ...

And he would pull in ratings, too. If there's one absolute certainty in the world of American politics, it's that, if you put Ron Paul's name on something, enormous hoards of Paulbots will automatically show up. They can't help it. It's like leaving half an orange out in the backyard. Eventually, the ants will come.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:34:43pm

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does anybody get nervous when a brand new Lizard knows the ropes as well as the old lizards?

What/who are you talking about?

Maybe they have read enough to know being a total ass from the start is the surest way to get the stick.

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albusteve Mon, May 25, 2009 12:34:57pm

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does anybody get nervous when a brand new Lizard knows the ropes as well as the old lizards?

no...it should be required in fact

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Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 12:35:22pm

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does anybody get nervous when a brand new Lizard knows the ropes as well as the old lizards?

Not at all. Refreshing. I'd like to see more comments from newbies.

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:35:23pm

re: #134 ArrowSmith

There are Morroccan/Syrian Jews who you wouldn't be able to tell apart from an Arab. It's very complicated in that part of the world.

Sure you can, because for the most part they live in Israel or the West now.

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FrogMarch Mon, May 25, 2009 12:35:35pm

re: #130 MandyManners

Too much bluster for my taste.

I rarely watch any of it, but, the few times I've tuned to O'Reilly's show it seems better, less blow-hardy. plus I like it when he has Dennis Miller and Bernie Goldberg on.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #143 Racer X

Not at all. Refreshing. I'd like to see more comments from newbies.

May I be allowed to second that motion? ;)

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:35:54pm

cool.

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Former Belgian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:36:02pm

re: #126 justdanny

Islam is a culture. Arab may or not be a race.

Arabs are a people, not a race. Just like Jews (le-havdil).

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:36:29pm

re: #134 ArrowSmith
Arabs, and Israelis, those who have descended from those who dwelled in that region for generations, are racially the same people. Their cultures diverged at some point and today we have Israeli Jews and Arab muslims. But really they are the same people. Like New England stiff shirts and Southern good old boys. They are, stripped of upbringing, the same people.

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Vicious Babushka Mon, May 25, 2009 12:36:32pm

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does anybody get nervous when a brand new Lizard knows the ropes as well as the old lizards?

They could be a long time lurker, waiting for an open reg.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 25, 2009 12:37:07pm

Memorial Day avatar.

Love you, Grandpa.

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MrPaulRevere Mon, May 25, 2009 12:37:24pm

Bill Kristol hits a grand slam here: [Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 25, 2009 12:37:27pm

re: #126 justdanny

Islam is a culture. Arab may or not be a race.

There are 3 races, Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid.
Islam is not one.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:37:45pm

re: #151 EmmmieG

Fantastic!

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:37:45pm

re: #150 Alouette

They could be a long time lurker, waiting for an open reg.

SHHHH! Quit making sense! FBV wants to be nervous, let him. ;)

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:37:54pm

re: #149 justdanny

Arabs, and Israelis, those who have descended from those who dwelled in that region for generations, are racially the same people. Their cultures diverged at some point and today we have Israeli Jews and Arab muslims. But really they are the same people. Like New England stiff shirts and Southern good old boys. They are, stripped of upbringing, the same people.

I disagree 100% with your analysis. Sorry.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:38:01pm

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

heh

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ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:38:06pm

re: #153 unrealizedviewpoint

There are 3 races, Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid.
Islam is not one.

There is only one species Homo Sapiens.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:38:21pm

re: #148 Former Belgian
"Race" is largely a man made fabrication anyway.

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FrogMarch Mon, May 25, 2009 12:39:18pm

re: #138 FurryOldGuyJeans

Level headed and reasonable is not how I would describe O'Reilly, unless you are comparing him to Michael Savage.

You think O'Reilly is like Michael Savage?

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:39:33pm

re: #156 Nevergiveup
Thats fine. I hope your having a great Memorial Day.

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FrogMarch Mon, May 25, 2009 12:40:05pm

re: #133 Racer X

*spews Coke onto monitor*

gross.

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Ojoe Mon, May 25, 2009 12:40:32pm

This must be what W.B. Yeats meant when he wrote that

The center cannot hold

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:40:50pm

re: #158 ArrowSmith
Agreed. White people didnt exist 20,000 years ago. Race is just a flux in the big stream. Its all still stream.

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:40:58pm

re: #161 justdanny

Thats fine. I hope your having a great Memorial Day.

You too. We can disagree and still be civil and hoist a few beers together. Your not a Boston Red Sox fan are you?

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:41:22pm

re: #160 FrogMarch

You think O'Reilly is like Michael Savage?

Reread carefully what I wrote and you will get your answer.

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ArrowSmith Mon, May 25, 2009 12:41:41pm

re: #160 FrogMarch

You think O'Reilly is like Michael Savage?

Both are loudmouths who spout cliches.

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Former Belgian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:41:45pm

Speaking of Fox News: is the feed they sell to cable providers abroad a different one from the US? (Like with CNN International.)

I haven't watched it much lately but on the hours I can see it in Israel I haven't had the apparently dubious pleasure of Glenn Beck, let alone a kook like Alex Jones.

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 12:42:07pm

re: #148 Former Belgian

An Arab (Arabic: عربي‎, ʿarabi) is a person who identifies as such on linguistic or cultural grounds. It's an ethnic & linguistic distinction.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:42:26pm

re: #165 Nevergiveup
Negative. Not much time for sports lately. Although I am excited about the upcoming UK Basketball season.

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Last Mohican Mon, May 25, 2009 12:42:54pm

re: #149 justdanny

Arabs, and Israelis, those who have descended from those who dwelled in that region for generations, are racially the same people. Their cultures diverged at some point and today we have Israeli Jews and Arab muslims. But really they are the same people. Like New England stiff shirts and Southern good old boys. They are, stripped of upbringing, the same people.

I don't agree with that.

My understanding is pretty much that Arabs are people who are descended from the tribes of Arabia. Most Arabs are Muslims, but there are also Arab Christians, Jews, and atheists.

"Israeli" refers to a nationality. There are Israelis of many races and many religions.

"Jew" is a harder word to define, because it can be a racial or a religious designation.

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:43:00pm

re: #168 Former Belgian

Speaking of Fox News: is the feed they sell to cable providers abroad a different one from the US? (Like with CNN International.)

I haven't watched it much lately but on the hours I can see it in Israel I haven't had the apparently dubious pleasure of Glenn Beck, let alone a kook like Alex Jones.

No I believe it is the same, but because of the time difference, you may not be getting Beck as much. Lucky you.

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Racer X Mon, May 25, 2009 12:43:22pm

Tony Stewart cracks me up.

*watching Nascar*

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callahan23 Mon, May 25, 2009 12:43:40pm

re: #149 justdanny

Arabs, and Israelis, those who have descended from those who dwelled in that region for generations, are racially the same people. Their cultures diverged at some point and today we have Israeli Jews and Arab muslims. But really they are the same people. Like New England stiff shirts and Southern good old boys. They are, stripped of upbringing, the same people.

There is a definitive difference between Assyrian-Arabs and those descending from the Arabian peninsula. Assyrian-Arabs do have a lot of similarities to the Jewish people who've inhabited those lands. On the other hand Arabs from the Arabian peninsula are very different in appearance and even genetic make-up.

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midwestgak Mon, May 25, 2009 12:43:42pm

re: #125 FurryOldGuyJeans

EEEP! Our Lizard Overlord is fallible?!? *GASP* ;)

We all are fallible. That is one reason we can dialog at LGF.

OT Sounds like firework practice going on. Kinda weird since it isn't even June.

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:44:02pm

re: #170 justdanny

Negative. Not much time for sports lately. Although I am excited about the upcoming UK Basketball season.

UNC fan here. But since UK is an historic program I sure hope they come back to prominence.

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 12:44:23pm

re: #153 unrealizedviewpoint

There are quite a few more races than that, and a great deal of debate as to what the various races are and how to define them.

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Ojoe Mon, May 25, 2009 12:45:21pm

re: #177 Kenneth

We all belong to the ball bearing race

Well at least half of us

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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 25, 2009 12:45:59pm

re: #173 Racer X

Tony Stewart cracks me up.

*watching Nascar*

Indiana Boy..Doesn't put up with much shit does he?
I'll bet he has an old pickup truck with a gun rack in the back...
dude does not give an inch does he?
I like him

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avanti Mon, May 25, 2009 12:46:23pm

re: #127 Last Mohican

Another good move from a man I don't often praise. But I thank him for this. I missed the 3PM moment of silence here on the East Coast, but I will go ahead and join in the ones for the other three time zones.

And by the way, I highly recommend the "map the fallen" project that Charles posted about a few threads back. It was a very worthwhile (if not particularly cheery) experience spending some time on it.

Don't know if this has been posted, but he resisted calls to not send a wreath for the Confederate dead too.

Confederate.

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wiffersnapper Mon, May 25, 2009 12:46:39pm

Kill your Television. Except for sports.

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_RememberTonyC Mon, May 25, 2009 12:46:41pm

re: #152 MrPaulRevere

Bill Kristol hits a grand slam here: [Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

thanks for the link ... Kristol is right.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:47:23pm

re: #171 Last Mohican
I see all these distinctions as cultural distinctions. Based on social differences given to specific places. Literally the people who grew up on the west side of Lexington Ky where I'm from, are different than those on the east side.
Genetically speaking, people of the area where Israel is and those of the area where Saudi is, are the same people.

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Ojoe Mon, May 25, 2009 12:47:28pm

re: #181 wiffersnapper

And discovery channel

And history channel

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:49:15pm

re: #184 Ojoe

And discovery channel

And history channel

Lately the History channel has been far too obsessed with Doom's Day prophesy mongering for my tastes. Since when is what MAY happen in the future history?

And don't get me started on the faux reality shows both channels love to show.

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:49:16pm

re: #183 justdanny

I see all these distinctions as cultural distinctions. Based on social differences given to specific places. Literally the people who grew up on the west side of Lexington Ky where I'm from, are different than those on the east side.
Genetically speaking, people of the area where Israel is and those of the area where Saudi is, are the same people.

Sorry that is not true, and When you say People of Israel I don't even know what your talking about?

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 12:49:34pm

re: #174 callahan23

There are also Arabs across North Africa. When the Arab empire burst out of Arabia in the 7th & 8th centuries, the Arab armies and colonists bred with the local populations. Arabs in North Africa include Berber genes, as well as the pre-Islamic peoples of Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Somali, and lots of Negro African & etc. Arabs are not a genetically homogeneous people . The group is more cultural and linguistic than racially defined.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:49:45pm

re: #181 wiffersnapper

Kill your Television. Except for sports.

I need mine for all the DVDs I watch.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:50:30pm

Heres a bit of information that should challenge some.

I (a white guy) am closer genetically to the average black guy, than I am the average white guy.

There is more genetic variation within a "race" than there is between races.

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Ojoe Mon, May 25, 2009 12:50:47pm

re: #185 FurryOldGuyJeans

Scenes of predators eating little bunnies, you think are sometimes staged?

Maybe so.

BBL

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avanti Mon, May 25, 2009 12:51:04pm

re: #20 MandyManners

I like Cavuto.

I agree with both choices, occasionally even O'Reily.

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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 25, 2009 12:51:21pm

re: #177 Kenneth

There are quite a few more races than that, and a great deal of debate as to what the various races are and how to define them.

Let em argue. The genetic differences are minuscule. Racism is ridiculously absurd and only for small minded turds.

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Former Belgian Mon, May 25, 2009 12:51:40pm

re: #159 justdanny

"Race" is largely a man made fabrication anyway.

I disagree. If you are willing to accept that races are "fuzzy sets", a few major races definitely do exist.

Put me next to Thomas Sowell (a man whom I happen to admire) and you'll see immediately we belong to two different races. On the other hand, I can think of fellow Ashkenazi Jews that, if you put them next to very light-skinned Asian women, the distinction might be much less obvious.

But denying the distinction between class X and class Y simply because comparatively few elements are 100% member of X or Y is a special case of the "continuum fallacy" (claiming that differences of degree can never be differences of kind).

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:52:13pm

re: #186 Nevergiveup

I'm saying people who through time have been there. Not those who have come into the area in recent generations.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:52:40pm

re: #190 Ojoe

Scenes of predators eating little bunnies, you think are sometimes staged?

Maybe so.

BBL

I'm reminded of Disney's march of the lemmings filmed documentary and how the rush to drown was staged.

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Nevergiveup Mon, May 25, 2009 12:54:00pm

re: #194 justdanny

I'm saying people who through time have been there. Not those who have come into the area in recent generations.

In the case of "Israel" "Palestine" or what ever you want to call it, who was there when, is such a fuzzy non scientific term, I still have no idea whom you are referencing?

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #192 unrealizedviewpoint

Let em argue. The genetic differences are minuscule. Racism is ridiculously absurd and only for small minded turds.

Can the various "races" breed and have offspring?

All this preoccupation with race is just governmental institutionalized racism. I see individuals, not blacks, whites, Jews, whatever.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 12:56:30pm

re: #193 Former Belgian

I disagree. If you are willing to accept that races are "fuzzy sets", a few major races definitely do exist.

Put me next to Thomas Sowell (a man whom I happen to admire) and you'll see immediately we belong to two different races. On the other hand, I can think of fellow Ashkenazi Jews that, if you put them next to very light-skinned Asian women, the distinction might be much less obvious.

But denying the distinction between class X and class Y simply because comparatively few elements are 100% member of X or Y is a special case of the "continuum fallacy" (claiming that differences of degree can never be differences of kind).

I see bred true genetic characteristics, not races.

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 12:56:54pm

re: #183 justdanny

Genetically speaking, people of the area where Israel is and those of the area where Saudi is, are the same people.

Not so. While Arabs and Jews share some genetic similarities, they do not share all the same genetic markers. They are not the genetically "the same".

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debutaunt Mon, May 25, 2009 12:57:04pm

re: #120 MandyManners

Islam is not a race.

Is it a walk in reverse?

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 12:58:08pm

re: #189 justdanny

You have half a notion, but you are incorrect on the details.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 12:58:27pm

re: #193 Former Belgian
What I mean is this. For a very long time the word race has been used to describe people. And, race had been used to describe what are cultural differences. These days "race" seems to be used nly to describe skin color and maybe some physical attributes.

What makes us all, different races, disimilar, is just that, skin color and maybe some other differences in appearence. Differences in appearence amount to nothing. If the egg is brown or white it is still an egg.

Race is unimportant to the point that drawing distinctions between people based on their races is ultimately silliness.

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 1:00:21pm

re: #197 FurryOldGuyJeans

Can the various "races" breed and have offspring?

All this preoccupation with race is just governmental institutionalized racism. I see individuals, not blacks, whites, Jews, whatever.

Yes, all human races can interbreed successfully. The differences between races are very small indeed. Personally, I have 3 races and 8 nationalities within my family history, just going back 3 generations.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:00:24pm

re: #201 Kenneth
Im getting closer. Stuck looking at the bigger picture I do lack some of the little picture details.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #202 justdanny

Race is unimportant to the point that drawing distinctions between people based on their races is ultimately silliness.

You will always have bigots who disagree. Witness the Paulians and anti-Jihad bloggers.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:00:54pm

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

What do you mean, "largely?" How many goats, chimps, or naked mole rats have you heard discussing it lately?

I said race, not species.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:01:16pm

re: #204 Kenneth

Yes, all human races can interbreed successfully. The differences between races are very small indeed. Personally, I have 3 races and 8 nationalities within my family history, just going back 3 generations.

Then I see ONE race, not 3. Nationalities are a whole different story.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:02:00pm

re: #204 Kenneth
Yes. My family reunions look like a UN picnic.

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 1:02:17pm

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

What do you mean, "largely?" How many goats, chimps, or naked mole rats have you heard discussing it lately?

Did somebody call for a naked mole rat ?

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:02:54pm

re: #210 Kenneth

Did somebody call for a naked mole rat ?

My, what a cute little bugger.

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 1:05:33pm

re: #208 FurryOldGuyJeans

One species, with several races and much intermixing. Very few people could count as racially pure. Australian Aboriginies and Kalahari bushmen were fairly distinct. Everybody else is overlapping.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:05:33pm

re: #209 justdanny

Yes. My family reunions look like a UN picnic.

Do you have to worry about the clash between Kosher and Halal foods? ;)

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:06:06pm

Okay heres my big picture synopsis, so that hater sites don't try to put words in my mouth.

There is no scientific or otherwise justification for racism. Racism is a taught or selected form of myopic stupidity.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:06:45pm

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

"pseudoscientific classification" is man made.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:08:12pm

re: #213 Kenneth

One species, with several races and much intermixing. Very few people could count as racially pure. Australian Aboriginies and Kalahari bushmen were fairly distinct. Everybody else is overlapping.

Even the two groups you mention are only distinct because of the isolation they had until recently to genetic mixing.

You may disagree but I don't see any racial differences, just bred true genetic characteristics. Until recently most people didn't breed outside their little local groups.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:08:20pm

re: #214 FurryOldGuyJeans
Nope. Although some rib others for putting ketchup on their hotdog.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:09:41pm

re: #219 justdanny

Nope. Although some rib others for putting ketchup on their hotdog.

Oh that is just the right thing. Hotdogs require mayonnaise and onions. ;)

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 1:11:10pm

Interestingly, the Nazis based their hatred of the Jews, and the other groups like gypsies & Slavs, on notions of "race" not religion. The Jews were singled out for "polluting the German blood", not as "Christ killers". Disgustingly, the Nazis dressed up their racial arguments in pseudo-scientific arguments about breeding, race and eugenics. It was all scientific nonsense, but it did attract the so-called progressive modern people in Germany to the party.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:11:59pm

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

Rgr that. I said largely because of all of the periphreal crap that has been added to the 'meaning' of term 'race'. If by race someone means the visible and minor insignificant gene differences, then we can agree on the definition. If other things are added to the meaning then the whole word falls flat, loses all meaning.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:12:49pm

re: #220 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh that is just the right thing. Hotdogs require mayonnaise and onions. ;)

Mmmmmmmm. Mayo/onion hotdog. Mmmmmmm...

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 1:15:57pm

re: #218 FurryOldGuyJeans

But that is the point. A race is nothing more than a local gene pool. If it is isolated long enough, the population will develop particular characteristics which can define that race. Genetically, there will be a preponderance of certain genes or haplotypes. Of course, they will all still be homo sapiens. The genetic differences are never so great percentage wise.

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 1:17:03pm

re: #215 justdanny

And hatred.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:19:14pm

re: #221 Kenneth
It is my opinion (very scary when I say that) that Jewish means a specific culture. I know it refers to a religion also. But I see Jewish culture as a culture of excellence. And I believe Jews have been mistreated for so long simply because of envy and jealousy. Less successful cultures cannot bare it that this small group of people can be so smart and so dedicated to living life right and staying focused on what is important in this world. So when their less successful culture begins to fail and the lcal small group of Jews continue to stay strong and focused they, the failing culture turns on the Jews out of jealousy and envy.

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Former Belgian Mon, May 25, 2009 1:19:26pm

re: #197 FurryOldGuyJeans

Can the various "races" breed and have offspring?

That's the biological definition of a 'race' as distinct from a 'species'. In fact, a gray wolf and your neighbor's Pekinese are, biologically speaking, members of the same species (canis lupus familiaris). A Chihuahua may have some trouble mounting a Great Dane (ahem), but the two are genetically similar enough that you can artificially inseminate the GD with chihuahua semen and get healthy dogs who themselves are capable of reproduction.

Does that mean that the difference between a Jack Russell Terrier and a Rottweiler is only a social construct? My JRT seems to think so, as she picks fights with every big dog she sees :-)

As for your caring about a person's character rather than his/her race (the MLK Dream), no argument there, obviously.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:20:37pm

re: #225 Kenneth

And hatred.

Hatred taught or chosen.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:22:51pm

re: #227 Former Belgian

I don't make a distinction about race. I see that as a way to excuse hatred against some group one don't like.

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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 25, 2009 1:24:07pm

re: #228 justdanny

Hatred taught or chosen.

Vacuous minds suck in the hate, then hate becomes them.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:25:11pm

re: #224 Kenneth

But that is the point. A race is nothing more than a local gene pool. If it is isolated long enough, the population will develop particular characteristics which can define that race. Genetically, there will be a preponderance of certain genes or haplotypes. Of course, they will all still be homo sapiens. The genetic differences are never so great percentage wise.

I chose to not make an artificial layer of distinction by segregating genetic characteristic groups into man-made categories.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:25:58pm

re: #230 unrealizedviewpoint

Vacuous minds suck in the hate, then hate becomes them.

Hate breeds true and is nurtured to full flower.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 1:28:07pm

re: #223 justdanny

Mmmmmmmm. Mayo/onion hotdog. Mmmmmmm...

And it has to be REAL mayonnaise, none of this Miracle Whip stuff. ;)

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voluble Mon, May 25, 2009 1:30:45pm

I had never heard of Glenn Beck until he got so much play here (I had him mixed up with Art Bell). I watched bits of a couple of shows and agreed with everything he had to say. I guess maybe I caught him on his more lucid segments but nothing he said about the financial crisis and the limits of governmental power would have seemed extreme to our founding fathers... or even our fathers for that matter. His delivery was hokey but he was right on the issues which is all that really matters. We just picked a president based solely on style and we are paying the price for it now. Heck, our great-great-great grandchildren will be paying for it.

BTW, one of my buds moved to France a few years back and she says you can't believe a damn thing that is in the news over there. CNN International is of course a joke and the government owns or otherwise co-opts the other news outlets. There is absolutely no tradition of freedom of speech like there is in the US. It would be interesting to see how the blog phenomenon is doing in various parts of Europe.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:35:49pm

re: #233 FurryOldGuyJeans

Miracle whip aint mayo. It just comes in a similar container. Only REAL mayo is mayo. Mmmmmmm. Mayo.

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Kenneth Mon, May 25, 2009 1:37:18pm

re: #231 FurryOldGuyJeans

I understand that the very word "race" has a lot of ugly baggage. The only point I am trying to make is that there are genetic variations which accumulate in some so-called races more than in others. These genetic differences are not "man-made". Humans are not homogeneous (thank God). The scientific study of the human genetics is a fascinating subject, in which the concept of "race" is of minimal significance.

"Racism" on the other hand, is indeed an artificial and non-scientific categorization of human beings based upon hatred and ignorance.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 1:41:50pm

One day if we humans last long enough, we will transition back into one 'race', the way we started out. And that will be agood day.

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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 25, 2009 1:42:48pm

re: #235 justdanny

Miracle whip aint mayo. It just comes in a similar container. Only REAL mayo is mayo. Mmmmmmm. Mayo.

I stock both Miracle Whip and Best Foods (called Hellman's on east coast). Not better, just different.

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justdanny Mon, May 25, 2009 2:09:03pm

re: #238 unrealizedviewpoint
Just so we know though, Miracle Whip isnt Mayonaisse. Its salad dressing or something.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 2:46:19pm

re: #236 Kenneth

Baggage or not, I willfully chose to not compartmentalize individuals based on some arbitrary genetic characteristic.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 25, 2009 2:47:21pm

re: #239 justdanny

Just so we know though, Miracle Whip isnt Mayonaisse. Its salad dressing or something.

Miracle Whip has its place, just not on anything I will be eating.

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gregb Mon, May 25, 2009 5:02:56pm

Holy Mole! I read the headline and thought it meant *janet* Napolitano for the supreme court. I'm relieved it's just a TV show.

Let them eat cake.

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ShanghaiEd Mon, May 25, 2009 6:28:22pm

re: #23 ArrowSmith

That's really the point - she's not a flaming lib anymore. She's become quite the moderate.

I don't recall Greta ever being a "flaming lib." She is, however, a long-time Scientologist, and as such she is a science-denier in her private life, at least. I give her points for keeping her religion out of her newscast.

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ShanghaiEd Mon, May 25, 2009 6:31:36pm

re: #32 unrealizedviewpoint

Beck does only 5 hours a week. Those are very long hours mind you, but only 5.

Five hours on TV. Doesn't he also do a daily radio show?

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ShanghaiEd Mon, May 25, 2009 6:57:11pm

re: #87 ArrowSmith

How about embrace moderate positions instead of one of the 2 extremes? Moderates in both parties are sick of the ultra left/right crap.

I agree with you, on this. The problem with the GOP enhancing moderation is that, over at least the past two decades, it has methodically sandblasted itself of moderate voters and of moderate campaign issues. What's left is topics such as abortion and religion on which there is no "middle ground." They've prospered by that "sword," but now it's turned against them.

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Cato Wed, May 27, 2009 3:19:36pm

Ok Ron Paul is nuts.

He is Dennis Kucinich nuts.

But his economic ideas are not nuts. They may not be entirely correct -- because economics tries to explain the actions of human beings with free will -- but there is certainly scholarly thinking behind those ideas. They are the ideas of Mises, Hayek, Bohm, and the Austrian School. Don't denigrate those ideas unless you are prepared to make another case against them.

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