Condi looks like a zombie in the retouched photo ... not nice of them to do that ...

I gotta contact those guys to do my facebook page?

Busted !

re: #1 jacksontn

Condi looks like a zombie in the retouched photo ... not nice of them to do that ...

Oh I don't know, it's kinda democratic of them?

Ya' was robbed Charles, no HT on the Beirut pics.

re: #5 jcm

Ya' was robbed Charles, no HT on the Beirut pics.

I was thinking the same thing.

The Condi photo was the most egregious. She didn't even look human.

A picture is worth a 1000 lines of provenance.

Krauthammer is ripping into Sotomayor's Ricci decision in the New Haven Firman case.

re: #6 Last Mohican

I was thinking the same thing.

The Condi photo was the most egregious. She didn't even look human.

She's not she was created in the Labs of Cheney Halliburton!

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talk about faux...check the pics of the 'heads' on the right sidebar....

The Iranian missiles didn't make the Top Ten?

re: #5 jcm

Ya' was robbed Charles, no HT on the Beirut pics.

The link goes to LGF ...

Messing with the soldier in Basra, is one that really pisses me off.

North Korea will pay a price for its latest nuclear test if it does not reverse course but the door remains open to talks on ending Pyongyang's nuclear programs, the US State Department said on Tuesday.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

yeah that tough statement will scare them?

re: #12 Charles

The link goes to LGF ...

COOL, completely missed the first link and caught only the wiki link.

re: #12 Charles

The link goes to LGF ...

22 visits from the link so far.

Welcome, visitors.

Random fact....those locomotives in the Tibet railway picture were manufactured by General Electric.....I think in Erie, PA.

re: #1 jacksontn

That really mostly looked like some idiot had been put behind the controls of Photoshop. It wasn't even remotely interesting. I mean, I can GET what Christensen was going for. From an artistic viewpoint I certainly do. As news I think it fails miserably. The sheer squallor of the more muted original I think works much better to convey the situation. But he - as far as I can tell - has stuck to processing. In the case of Walski I just don't get it. Fine. Composition. But still. The first picture works just as well. We get it.

re: #14 Nevergiveup

North Korea will pay a price for its latest nuclear test if it does not reverse course but the door remains open to talks on ending Pyongyang's nuclear programs, the US State Department said on Tuesday.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

yeah that tough statement will scare them?

not likely...they have probably spent billions while people starve....they are dead serious about continuing...is state that stupid or is this an open threat...I vote for stupid

As far as I'm concerned, the Beruit photo is the holy grail of fauxtography.

re: #13 DEZes

Messing with the soldier in Basra, is one that really pisses me off.

Looks like the soldier in question is a Brit. Kinda makes sense, since Basra was more or less under their control.

re: #20 Sharmuta

As far as I'm concerned, the Beruit photo is the holy grail of fauxtography.

Maybe the rosetta stone, ow would that have been the pulsing memo from TANG? Either way, it was a key event.

re: #20 Sharmuta

As far as I'm concerned, the Beruit photo is the holy grail of fauxtography.

It is to photography what the Killian memo is to documents.

re: #22 Guanxi88

Really brought both blogs and the issue of retouched photos in the news to the forefront.

As far as the National Geographic cover goes though, is that one really as big a deal? I'm having a hard time getting worked up about that one.

That one with the enhanced coloration to the slum squalor. I mean, is it really necessary to augment the awfulness that much? A little restraint, people!

Here's my post on the Basra soldier photo, from April 2003:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #12 Charles

The link goes to LGF ...

I still think your name should be in the text.

re: #20 Sharmuta

As far as I'm concerned, the Beruit photo is the holy grail of fauxtography.

Fauxtocraphy perhaps?

Oh- and congratulations, Charles. It's always nice to see you get recognition for your work.

re: #20 Sharmuta

As far as I'm concerned, the Beruit photo is the holy grail of fauxtography.

It has the distinction of being the worst of the worst.

re: #24 Sharmuta

Really brought both blogs and the issue of retouched photos in the news to the forefront.

As far as the National Geographic cover goes though, is that one really as big a deal? I'm having a hard time getting worked up about that one.

Yeah, the pyramids photo doesn't bother me that much. Now, if it were to be the only surviving image, it would be different, but I think of it as artistry (the focus shows that intent as well) and not as documentation.

re: #20 Sharmuta

As far as I'm concerned, the Beruit photo is the holy grail of fauxtography.

I also think the one of Sec. Rice is way up there. It was a horrific personal attack.

What about all the green helmet guy in Lebanon?

re: #31 Guanxi88

It's a little different to fake photos of news events versus a landscape, I think.

However, it goes to journalistic integrity. They shouldn't be doing it at all.

re: #33 itellu3times

What about all the green helmet guy in Lebanon?

I think those are excluded because they were staged, not manipulated, images. A fine distinction, but there it is.

I'm trying to reach down in my heart to find sympathy for O.J. but, I'm coming up empty.

re: #25 Guanxi88

That one with the enhanced coloration to the slum squalor. I mean, is it really necessary to augment the awfulness that much? A little restraint, people!

I agree. With that being said, I've been to Port Au Prince and that photographer could have probably waked a lock or two over and taken a picture that didn't need to be photoshopped. Looks like laziness got the best of him. PAP is really a sad place and it broke my heart to see people living in such squalor.

re: #21 Fenway_Nation

Looks like the soldier in question is a Brit. Kinda makes sense, since Basra was more or less under their control.

He may be a Brit, Still pisses me off. ;)

re: #32 MandyManners

I also think the one of Sec. Rice is way up there. It was a horrific personal attack.

I agree- that one is disgusting.

re: #24 Sharmuta

Really brought both blogs and the issue of retouched photos in the news to the forefront.

As far as the National Geographic cover goes though, is that one really as big a deal? I'm having a hard time getting worked up about that one.

agreed...NG was not politically motivated to sway opinion

re: #5 jcm

Ya' was robbed Charles, no HT on the Beirut pics.

They didn't credit anyone on the exposures of any of these, but at least they linked to the wiki page that does credit Charles.

OT - Drudge's flashing alert says that NoK fired another missile. No story yet.

re: #37 Jetpilot1101

I agree. With that being said, I've been to Port Au Prince and that photographer could have probably waked a lock or two over and taken a picture that didn't need to be photoshopped. Looks like laziness got the best of him. PAP is really a sad place and it broke my heart to see people living in such squalor.

I wouldn't want to walk anywhere there, from everything I've read and heard from folks who've been there in person. Laziness about sums it up, though.

re: #33 itellu3times

What about all the green helmet guy in Lebanon?

That was staged photoshoot, not an alteration of an exisiting photo.

re: #36 MandyManners

I'm trying to reach down in my heart to find sympathy for O.J. but, I'm coming up empty.

Glad the f&cker's in jail.

but but but the pictures look like Obama says they should!

/

Here's a pretty good set of doctored photographs from the past to the present:

[Link: www.cs.dartmouth.edu...]

re: #42 Russkilitlover

OT - Drudge's flashing alert says that NoK fired another missile. No story yet.

waiting to see where it lands?

We can make Condi look like a demon, delete rivals, add basket balls, squish pryamids together, but damned if someone cold figure out how to superimpose Air Force 1 near the Statue of Liberty. Go figure.

re: #38 DEZes

He may be a Brit, Still pisses me off. ;)

Oh yeah....I was saying that to clarify things; not 'Don't get so worked up- it's only some limey squaddie'.

I don't care if it's fauxtography, FOX news or 0bama himself. I won't let cheap shots against our military allies slide.

re: #36 MandyManners

I don't think he needed any assistance in looking evil.

re: #42 Russkilitlover

OT - Drudge's flashing alert says that NoK fired another missile. No story yet.

These people are bat shit crazy!

re: #49 ArmyWife

We can make Condi look like a demon, delete rivals, add basket balls, squish pryamids together, but damned if someone cold figure out how to superimpose Air Force 1 near the Statue of Liberty. Go figure.

I regret I could only upding once

re: #40 albusteve

agreed...NG was not politically motivated to sway opinion

And I think that's the difference. And it's why the Beirut pictures still take the cake for me. Rampant anti-Semitism in the press on full display with that picture.

Interesting the iranian missile fauxtography didn't make the list.

re: #47 enoughalready

Here's a pretty good set of doctored photographs from the past to the present:

[Link: www.cs.dartmouth.edu...]

Yes, those old Soviet, Maoist, and Nazi photo re-works always creep me out. Making un-persons, un-doing un-things, as it were (channeling orwell). Does a fundamental violence to the human mind, trying to destroy or manipulate evidence of actual events.

re: #49 ArmyWife

We can make Condi look like a demon, delete rivals, add basket balls, squish pryamids together, but damned if someone cold figure out how to superimpose Air Force 1 near the Statue of Liberty. Go figure.

ROTFLMAO!

re: #49 ArmyWife

We can make Condi look like a demon, delete rivals, add basket balls, squish pryamids together, but damned if someone cold figure out how to superimpose Air Force 1 near the Statue of Liberty. Go figure.

ZING!

re: #43 Guanxi88

I wouldn't want to walk anywhere there, from everything I've read and heard from folks who've been there in person. Laziness about sums it up, though.

No you don't. As am American, you only go somewhere in Haiti in armored SUV's with some of the finest Devil Dog's guarding you. Flying in to PAP blew my mind. The south coast of the northern claw of Haiti has multimillion dollar compounds while the city of PAP is one big shantytown. 1% of the people there have 99% of the money.

re: #42 Russkilitlover

Guess that strong condemnation worked wonders.
//

re: #9 jcm

Muppet Labs, maybe.

Looks like an extra from "V" from the 1980's. Which is being remade for next year.

The news fauxtos just reinforce the notion that journalistic integrity is dead.

re: #54 Sharmuta

And I think that's the difference. And it's why the Beirut pictures still take the cake for me. Rampant anti-Semitism in the press on full display with that picture.

Interesting the iranian missile fauxtography didn't make the list.

really...that was easily my favorite, and such a ridiculous attempt....like a school project or whatever

re: #58 Jetpilot1101

No you don't. As am American, you only go somewhere in Haiti in armored SUV's with some of the finest Devil Dog's guarding you. Flying in to PAP blew my mind. The south coast of the northern claw of Haiti has multimillion dollar compounds while the city of PAP is one big shantytown. 1% of the people there have 99% of the money.

It fills me with a strange mixture of rage and despair when I learn of people living as they do.

re: #16 Bloodnok

22 visits from the link so far.

Welcome, visitors.

Stand up straight, straighten your tie and what is that stain on your shirt?

re: #60 calcajun

Muppet Labs, maybe.

Looks like an extra from "V" from the 1980's. Which is being remade for next year.

Sweet! Will they have David Ickes as a consultant?

re: #49 ArmyWife

I may have to bring some of my sockpuppets out of retirement to give that a few more updings!

////

re: #55 Guanxi88

Yes, those old Soviet, Maoist, and Nazi photo re-works always creep me out. Making un-persons, un-doing un-things, as it were (channeling orwell). Does a fundamental violence to the human mind, trying to destroy or manipulate evidence of actual events.

I know. "What did you say your father's name was? No, sorry, no record of any individual with that name. Please step through this door marked 'NKVD re-education squad' please. We will send a bill to your next of kin. I meant information. To you. When we find it."

re: #60 calcajun

Muppet Labs, maybe.

Looks like an extra from "V" from the 1980's. Which is being remade for next year.

I thought it was a continuation from the original series, not a remake.

re: #52 Nevergiveup

Like foxes.

There's something going on in the Hermit (crab) Kingdom--maybe a power struggle, maybe they've all been eating paint chips. I dunno.

re: #58 Jetpilot1101

No you don't. As am American, you only go somewhere in Haiti in armored SUV's with some of the finest Devil Dog's guarding you. Flying in to PAP blew my mind. The south coast of the northern claw of Haiti has multimillion dollar compounds while the city of PAP is one big shantytown. 1% of the people there have 99% of the money.

Another failed state, wreaked by thugs.

re: #33 itellu3times

What about all the green helmet guy in Lebanon?

So much fautography, so little time?

re: #65 Guanxi88

No-they're using fake reptiles.

Lizards--it's right up our alley!

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

Oh yeah....I was saying that to clarify things; not 'Don't get so worked up- it's only some limey squaddie'.

I don't care if it's fauxtography, FOX news or 0bama himself. I won't let cheap shots against our military allies slide.

Wasn't being snarky towards you.
Your last sentence summed up my feelings precisely.
;)

Interesting referral coming from digg right now. Tracks back to this article

[Link: www.adl.org...]

re: #67 enoughalready

I know. "What did you say your father's name was? No, sorry, no record of any individual with that name. Please step through this door marked 'NKVD re-education squad' please. We will send a bill to your next of kin. I meant information. To you. When we find it."

Had an uncle go looking, under Brezhnev, for relatives believed to have been DP's during WWII. Absolutely pointless, and we told him before he left, but he went anyway. Got treated like a freakin' spy, as we had warned him he would be, and, further, he no doubt jeopardized their safety, assuming they were still alive.

Reminds me of the Scrubs episode where the hospital photoshops the white doctor out of a picture in order to promote diversity with just the black doctor. Then they bring up the exploitation of the black doctor back in college.

Turk: Remember our college brochures?
J.D.: So what, they put you on the cover.
Turk: Twice?
*Flash to college brochure with Turk displaced twice in the same photo*

re: #35 Guanxi88

I think those are excluded because they were staged, not manipulated, images. A fine distinction, but there it is.

Ah yes, they could devote a page to that, too.

re: #64 jcm

and for goodness sakes, put on some pants!

(someone had to say it)

re: #70 jcm

Another failed state, wreaked by thugs.

I don't want to get into a huge political debate but what really blows for those people is even if they manage to get "feet dry" after one of their boat journeys, they get sent right back to Haiti while the Cubans get a free pass. We can debate the policy until the cows come home but somehow it doesn't seem right to me. Believe me, I've had to catch them and know they got repartiated and it sucks.

re: #33 itellu3times

What about all the green helmet guy in Lebanon?

Those pictures are staged, not Photoshopped

Zombie - If you're out there please e-mail me.

(Or if any lizard has permission from zombie to share contact info)

re: #70 jcm

Another failed state, wreaked by thugs.

another disarmed population

re: #39 Sharmuta

I agree- that one is disgusting.

I wish I had her boots.

re: #79 Jetpilot1101

I don't want to get into a huge political debate but what really blows for those people is even if they manage to get "feet dry" after one of their boat journeys, they get sent right back to Haiti while the Cubans get a free pass. We can debate the policy until the cows come home but somehow it doesn't seem right to me. Believe me, I've had to catch them and know they got repartiated and it sucks.

Those poor people, both Cubans and the Haitians, but especially the Haitians, as we've had so many interventions to try to "help" them that have only made things even worse. It's a shame and an indictment of civilization in this hemisphere that we continue to allow such suffering.

re: #45 Russkilitlover

Glad the f&cker's in jail.

And he'll never breathe free air again.

KARMA'S A BITCH, O.J.!

First they came for the Chrysler dealers, but I was not a Chrysler dealer...

re: #51 ArmyWife

I don't think he needed any assistance in looking evil.

Looking back, no. But, at the time, he was presumed innocent.

re: #74 Sharmuta

Interesting referral coming from digg right now. Tracks back to this article

[Link: www.adl.org...]

yowza!...."walk them toward racialism"....good lord, as the old saying goes, this will not end well for someone

re: #85 MandyManners

KARMA'S A BITCH, O.J.!

Being a bitch prison is a real bitch.

re: #49 ArmyWife

We can make Condi look like a demon, delete rivals, add basket balls, squish pryamids together, but damned if someone cold figure out how to superimpose Air Force 1 near the Statue of Liberty. Go figure.

Outstanding!

re: #78 ArmyWife

and for goodness sakes, put on some pants!

(someone had to say it)

But I'm wea..... *looks down*
*blush*

Ahhh, I'll be right back!

re: #88 albusteve

yowza!...."walk them toward racialism"....good lord, as the old saying goes, this will not end well for someone

Thank you for clicking that link. I didn't think anyone would.

re: #52 Nevergiveup

Let's see what the Administration can come up with to avoid discussing this - already nominated someone for the SC, maybe they could bring up something about Gitmo tomorrow.

re: #89 DEZes

KARMA'S A BITCH, O.J.!

Being a bitch prison is a real bitch.

I doubt he's in any danger.

re: #88 albusteve

yowza!...."walk them toward racialism"....good lord, as the old saying goes, this will not end well for someone

Ya think they'll invite these guys?

re: #94 MandyManners

I doubt he's in any danger.

I can hope. ;)

re: #92 Sharmuta

Thank you for clicking that link. I didn't think anyone would.

I hate fucking Nazis.

An anti-Semite and white supremacist using the name "Whites Forward" created the Tea Party Americans Coalition (TPAC) as "a working group for serious White racialist ACTIVISTS in the US who want to effectively coordinate our efforts and intervene for effect in Tea Party-type events." Anti-Semitic, racist, and anti-immigrant themes run through the six issues on which the working group is based.

Tea Parties where a decent idea start by decent folks protesting taxing now the fucking Nazis have hijacked it.

A picture is worth a thousand words..............
PhotoShop : $699.00
Getting caught making Faux-tos - priceless

The truth is beyond price.

re: #94 MandyManners

I doubt he's in any danger.

Bubba is taking good care of him.

re: #92 Sharmuta

Thank you for clicking that link. I didn't think anyone would.

very spooky comments and I don't think this problem is going to take care of itself...freedoms are ultimately at stake...we are a different culture than Europe but still I am very skeptical

re: #69 calcajun

Like foxes.

There's something going on in the Hermit (crab) Kingdom--maybe a power struggle, maybe they've all been eating paint chips. I dunno.

I think the Military is in charge.

re: #74 Sharmuta

Interesting referral coming from digg right now. Tracks back to this article

[Link: www.adl.org...]

Lies Lies lies! The Tea Parties are pure and good hearted people who love pantaloons and hate Ron Paul!
/

re: #47 enoughalready

Here's a pretty good set of doctored photographs from the past to the present:

[Link: www.cs.dartmouth.edu...]

Excellent link.

Is this part for real?

A FOX spokeswoman said the executive in charge of “Fox and Friends” is on vacation and not available for comment but added that altering photos for humorous effect is a common practice on cable news stations.

re: #95 American Sabra

Ya think they'll invite these guys?

That picture can't be real can it?

re: #97 jcm

Tea Parties where a decent idea start by decent folks protesting taxing now the fucking Nazis have hijacked it.

Shhhhh! No one wants to hear that.

re: #74 Sharmuta

Interesting referral coming from digg right now. Tracks back to this article

[Link: www.adl.org...]

Underlining what several people and Charles have pointed out here.

re: #104 Jetpilot1101

That picture can't be real can it?

My guess is no, but it always cracks me up.

re: #74 Sharmuta

Interesting referral coming from digg right now. Tracks back to this article

[Link: www.adl.org...]

OK. That was ...creepy.

re: #95 American Sabra

Ya think they'll invite these guys?

are they real?

re: #106 Thanos

Underlining what several people and Charles have pointed out here.

Shhhhhhhhh!

re: #108 calcajun

OK. That was ...creepy.

I agree. More than creepy, really.

re: #107 American Sabra

My guess is no, but it always cracks me up.

That is what I thought and it did make me chuckle.

re: #60 calcajun

Muppet Labs, maybe.

Looks like an extra from "V" from the 1980's. Which is being remade for next year.

"V"

re: #109 Iron Fist

They weren't channeling Orwell. They are where he got the Idea. Both 1984 and Animal Farm were results of having watched totalitarian governments in action.

I was channeling him, not them. Decent people read 1984 as a warning; they read it as a how-to and porno all in one.

re: #97 jcm

I hate fucking Nazis.

Well, no one is making you do it. You can stop...

Oh...

Never mind./

I just received a strange call. The caller ID said it was from "Opinion One".

The recorded message said something to the effect of -

"America, are you aware of the tea parties across the country? If not, find out about them".

o.j. looks like a killer no matter how dark or light his skin is.
he has murder in his eyes.

re: #116 calcajun

The dangers of splitting infinitives, illustrated.

re: #110 albusteve

are they real?

Actually it's quite an old pic. Been floating around the net for years. I just felt it appropriate in a silly sort of way.

I don't think it's real.

re: #117 Summersong

I just received a strange call. The caller ID said it was from "Opinion One".

The recorded message said something to the effect of -

"America, are you aware of the tea parties across the country? If not, find out about them".

It could have been from Lipton?

re: #117 Summersong

I just received a strange call. The caller ID said it was from "Opinion One".

The recorded message said something to the effect of -

"America, are you aware of the tea parties across the country? If not, find out about them".

What kind of voice was it? I got one and it was a mans voice. Kind of a creepy voce too.

re: #105 Sharmuta

Shhhhh! No one wants to hear that.

I want to hear that and I want the NAZIs outed.
Speak out.
Call them on their B.S.
A lot of uninformed decent patriotic people believe in the Tea Parties.

re: #113 Jetpilot1101

That is what I thought and it did make me chuckle.

I mean, they're wearing Spongebob patches.

re: #95 American Sabra

Ya think they'll invite these guys?

When you take over the kids playroom to do a joke photo, especially one that took that kind of preparation, you really should turn of the TV.

re: #112 Sharmuta

I agree. More than creepy, really.

Good evening lizards! Hope everyone is well tonight..
That was a creepy picture..But I'm pretty sure that was photoshopped words in that pic..

re: #106 Thanos

A certain Lizard (who shall remain nameless) linked to his local Tea Party site again the other day. It's of course sponsored by Glenn Beck and Ron Paul. The put up a notice of FAQ's. 1st one on the list was "Who is welcome at the Tea Party". Answer: Everyone. The are hanging out the welcome sign for fringe groups, Truthers, and white Nationalists. This is what happens when you put Paulians in charge. They did the same thing with Ron Paul's presidential campaign and they've done the same thing with the Tea Parties.

re: #108 calcajun

I can't even read it. Who thinks like this? Disgusting doesn't even come close to describing what this is.

re: #110 albusteve

are they real?

There's the picture, you can always trust a picture.

re: #74 Sharmuta

Interesting referral coming from digg right now. Tracks back to this article

[Link: www.adl.org...]

Exactly what Killgore has been pointing out -- and being attacked for. I've seen those posts at neo-Nazi sites like Stormfront. They talk very deliberately about concealing their true purpose and appearing moderate in order to spread their racist "message" at tea parties, in hopes of recruiting people. They see the tea parties as ripe for recruitment, because (according to them) they're almost all made up of white people.

re: #125 CyanSnowHawk

When you take over the kids playroom to do a joke photo, especially one that took that kind of preparation, you really should turn of the TV.

LOL well i thought that, but look at the robes. I think they have spongebob patches. Maybe he's their Grand Wizard.

re: #128 ArmyWife

Seriously, fear sells. People who are afraid will buy into anything which reinforces their world view.

Y'mean all those Iranian missiles coming down on Wile E. Coyote might have NOT been real?

*sob*

re: #129 jcm

There's the picture, you can always trust a picture.

This thread proves it! ///

re: #125 CyanSnowHawk

When you take over the kids playroom to do a joke photo, especially one that took that kind of preparation, you really should turn of the TV.

Spongebob is a secret Grand Kelgel issuing orders via his show.......

Now I have to kill you.

/;-P

re: #122 Gus 802

What kind of voice was it? I got one and it was a mans voice. Kind of a creepy voce too.

Yes, it was a young man. I was waiting for more message and it clicked off. Short message and no mention of who was funding this effort.

At one of my many side-line jobs, I recall many occasions where I had to photo-shop people out of pictures after they had been published. I always felt kinda weird doing it; even joked with co-workers about the commissar who disappeared, and stuff like that.

re: #127 Killgore Trout

A certain Lizard (who shall remain nameless) linked to his local Tea Party site again the other day. It's of course sponsored by Glenn Beck and Ron Paul. The put up a notice of FAQ's. 1st one on the list was "Who is welcome at the Tea Party". Answer: Everyone. The are hanging out the welcome sign for fringe groups, Truthers, and white Nationalists. This is what happens when you put Paulians in charge. They did the same thing with Ron Paul's presidential campaign and they've done the same thing with the Tea Parties.

The nazis are not the only ones recruiting either. The Dominionists in the Contstitution party are also hitting these with the same thoughts in mind.

re: #129 jcm

There's the picture, you can always trust a picture.

the color looks a bit off don't you think?....let me look again

re: #130 Charles

Exactly what Killgore has been pointing out -- and being attacked for. I've seen those posts at neo-Nazi sites like Stormfront. They talk very deliberately about concealing their true purpose and appearing moderate in order to spread their racist "message" at tea parties, in hopes of recruiting people. They see the tea parties as ripe for recruitment, because (according to them) they're almost all made up of white people.

I'm sure some would dismiss the article because the ADL is liberal.

re: #129 jcm

There's the picture, you can always trust a picture.

I wish someone would start photo shopping those pictures of Terrorists holding their AK47..Alter all the arabic words in the background.. to like..Pork..It's the other white meat..Stuff like that..

re: #130 Charles

Entryism

The "touch up" of Condoleezza Rice is the worst of the bunch. Second would be the Basra cut and paste job.

I don't have any problem with some of these, the one of the fire fighter, for example.

They left out Time retouching Saddam's mustache.

re: #125 CyanSnowHawk

When you take over the kids playroom to do a joke photo, especially one that took that kind of preparation, you really should turn of the TV.

off PIMF.

re: #35 Guanxi88

I think those are excluded because they were staged, not manipulated, images. A fine distinction, but there it is.

Yeah but, how about those pictures of dead bodies, neither staged nor digitally manipulated, but falsely captioned? Some of those are false in ways much worse than a few rubber-stamped smoke clouds.

Accurate but fake, doncha know.

re: #143 Gus 802

The "touch up" of Condoleezza Rice is the worst of the bunch. Second would be the Basra cut and paste job.

The Condi thing would have to go through several peoples hands to be approved. Not only is a Pshopped, it's a lousy Pshop.

There was malice behind that picture.

re: #145 CyanSnowHawk

off PIMF.

PIFW!

Here's more info (this stuff is not hard to find).....
Resources for Tax Day Tea Parties!

Here are some videos that should help those of you planning Tax Day Tea Parties in your own city or town. Thanks to Young Americans for Liberty for putting these great videos together! More great information on the Tax Day Coalition here! Remember that website! haha

This is from FreedomWorks, the main national sponsor of the Tea Parties. You Will see their banners at virtually every Tea Party. Check out the first comment about the people featured in the video....

Interesting, the guy behind these websites (Jeff Frazee) appears to have once been a poster at the Spartan Spectator, if we’re interpreting the google search results properly. The Spartan Spectator and its founder, Kyle Bristow, have demonstrated links with racist neo-Nazi organizations such as the National Alliance, and is listed as a hate group by the well-respected SPLC. Bristow was dismissed from the Young Americans for Freedom due to his extremist views. Brendan, you also share a connection to Bristow. One of your co-authors of your anti-Obama book gave an interview to Bristow promoting the book, well after Bristow had hosted a holocaust-denier at an off-campus event attended by members of the National Alliance. And one of Brendan’s own articles used to be up on the racist Vanguard News Network website, but was later removed (I have the screen caps).

(To be fair to Brendan, however, I never found any indication that he put the article on VNN; it appears they simply found it on another website and reproduced it; Brendan also does not appear to have ever talked to Bristow, though Brendan did aggressively promote anti-gay author Ryan Sorba, who did speak at a Bristow sponsored event promoted on Brendan’s blog.)

The other guy behind the National Tea Party movement is Eric Odom of #dontgo fame. His website for the tea parties are being aggressively promoted on Florida-based Stormfront.org. This thread shows how many of these “white pride” activists plan on attending these tea parties:
(Link redacted) . Some of Stormfront’s most senior members are intending to use them as an opportunity to bring people over to their cause: “I think the “tea party” is a good way to meet people with potential.
Most people at this event will be white people who are fed up with the direction of things and they are ready to hear how we got into this mess.
Tell them!”

(Interestingly, a photograph surfaced last year of Ron Paul (from whose campaign Frazee comes) cozying up to to Stormfront’s founder and his son. Here’s the stormfront thread with the pictures: (Link redacted) This thread is incredibly long, well over 400 pages, showing just how much support Ron Paul receives from racists around the country.)

Brendan, could provide us a clear explanation of your and Frazee’s connection (or lack thereof) to these hate groups? And how do you plan to counter the racist messages these people will be bringing to your protests?

Abolutely no response from Freedom Works or the other Tea Partiers.

re: #148 jcm

PIFW!

Preview is not just for Whitey! People of all skin color can benefit from it.
/

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Kyle Bristow!

re: #147 jcm

The Condi thing would have to go through several peoples hands to be approved. Not only is a Pshopped, it's a lousy Pshop.

There was malice behind that picture.

That's what makes it so bad -- the technical aspects. Then combine that with the "whites of the eyes" aspect. Overall it's a personal attack. Condoleezza Rice had to suffer through a great deal of attacks during her tenure.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Here's more info (this stuff is not hard to find).....
Resources for Tax Day Tea Parties!

Abolutely no response from Freedom Works or the other Tea Partiers.

Wow. That's some seriously bad stuff.

A site associated with Dick Armey and Steve Forbes is promoting white nationalists.

The other commenters just went right past that first comment as if it weren't even there.

re: #151 Sharmuta

Yup, and apparently he is also connected to Brendan Steinhauser, who posted those videos on the Freedom Works Tea Party Website. The organizers are very friendly with the White Nationalists.

re: #153 Charles

Wow. That's some seriously bad stuff.

A site associated with Dick Armey and Steve Forbes is promoting white nationalists .

The other commenters just went right past that first comment as if it weren't even there.

This should have its own thread, IMO.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

the whole concept will have to be junked...unfortunately there were no nationally known pols that got behind this movement early on...I thought from the outset that the GOP should have got on board but they didn't have the balls...RP and Stormfront filled the void...it's over for the tea parties as originally designed and for that I wail my displeasure...haha!...it was a good idea...I promote reasonable dissent

re: #155 Alouette

This should have its own thread, IMO.

Absolutely!

re: #153 Charles

Yeah, I thought the admins would delete his comment or refute it. I haven't checked the info, but it's probably accurate. The rest of the Tea Partiers don't seem the least bit bothered by it.

re: #152 Gus 802

That's what makes it so bad -- the technical aspects. Then combine that with the "whites of the eyes" aspect. Overall it's a personal attack. Condoleezza Rice had to suffer through a great deal of attacks during her tenure.

I've sometimes cheered her and sometimes cursed her, but I will always respect her. I don't feel that way about many politicians. I know that sentiment isn't too popular.

Whatever anyone says about the Bush administration, it was one of the most diverse admins we ever had.

re: #144 Conservative Moonbat

I don't have any problem with some of these, the one of the fire fighter, for example.

They left out Time retouching Saddam's mustache.

When it's a news photo, it should not be manipulated, it should be published as shot.

It's simple credibility.

Now they could take that shot and enhance it for a slide show or as long it's clearly marked enhanced.

re: #155 Alouette

This should have its own thread, IMO.

I don't like suggesting threads, but that ADL link is devastating, imo.

re: #147 jcm

There was malice behind that picture.

"You, I don't object to man being a bastard, but I can't stand a stupid one." -Gore Vidal's "The Best Man"

re: #156 albusteve

I was thinking that maybe the money behind it would change things. Freedom Works and the Heritage Foundation weren't involved in the Ron Paul Tea Parties or the Ron Paul campaign. There was some slim hope that their influence would take over but it looks the other way around.

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I thought the admins would delete his comment or refute it. I haven't checked the info, but it's probably accurate. The rest of the Tea Partiers don't seem the least bit bothered by it.

Here it is the picture for the occasion.

re: #162 calcajun

"You, I don't object to man being a bastard, but I can't stand a stupid one." -Gore Vidal's "The Best Man"

What about stupid bastards?

They did it intentional (bastards) but in a obvious way (stupid).

re: #161 Sharmuta

I don't like suggesting threads, but that ADL link is devastating, imo.

It's going to be a thread.

re: #156 albusteve

...And yes, I agree that the situation probably cannot be salvaged. It very likely that this is going to be very very embarrassing for a lot of people. It's a PR disaster.

re: #164 jcm
Heh.

re: #163 Killgore Trout

I was thinking that maybe the money behind it would change things. Freedom Works and the Heritage Foundation weren't involved in the Ron Paul Tea Parties or the Ron Paul campaign. There was some slim hope that their influence would take over but it looks the other way around.

yes...they are cooked...average folks got schooled by the pros...I'm not surprised, just disappointed

Jeff Frazee's work is also promoted by Lew Rockwell. Man, Googling that name brings up a sewer full of associations.

I'm starting my own political party called the Rationalist Party. This white nationalist crap is getting out of control. Are people really that stupid?

re: #166 Charles

It's going to be a thread.

Good.

re: #164 jcm

Here it is the picture for the occasion.

Yikes! Where does that come from? The bridal registry at NordStromfront?

re: #166 Charles

It's going to be a thread.

Cool!

re: #170 Charles

Jeff Frazee's work is also promoted by Lew Rockwell. Man, Googling that name brings up a sewer full of associations.

Lew Rockwell again?...that asshole is everywhere

Kremlinologists used to study photos released from the Soviet Union to see who had been removed to give them insight into the power struggles.

The Freedom Works site is an American Family Association website as some of you know.

re: #171 Jetpilot1101

I'm starting my own political party called the Rationalist Party. This white nationalist crap is getting out of control. Are people really that stupid?

We need something.....
The political situation has departed controlled flight.

re: #166 Charles

It's going to be a thread.

Then I'm glad Bloodnok mentioned the number of folks coming in to see the original Beirut fauxtographs. It made me look at the referrers list, and I couldn't help notice diggers looking at the ron paul/don black photo. Digg finally pays off.

re: #173 American Sabra

Yikes! Where does that come from? The bridal registry at NordStromfront?

Looks like memorabilia. I know a couple of WWII collectors who have stuff like that. Others are more into the Nazi connection.

re: #179 Sharmuta

Then I'm glad Bloodnok mentioned the number of folks coming in to see the original Beirut fauxtographs. It made me look at the referrers list, and I couldn't help notice diggers looking at the ron paul/don black photo. Digg finally pays off.

You did good.

re: #178 jcm

We need something.....
The political situation has departed controlled flight.

As far as I'm concerned, the political situation has done a UFIT: Uncontrolled Flight Into Terrain. CFIT or UFIT episodes never end well and this one is no exception.

re: #181 DEZes

You did good.

My friend Killgore has taken a lot of shit. I'm glad I could back him up.

re: #157 DEZes

Absolutely!

I see things like this and cannot help but be reminded of the power the Klan had in the first half of the 20th century. Men who wanted to get into politics and wanted to advance had no choice but to curry favor with the Klan if not join out right. Justice Hugo Black, Senator Robert Byrd and Governor George Wallace are prime examples. All of these men, too, renounced the Klan in the end--in the case of Byrd and Wallace only after the power of the Klan had been broken.

That leads me to the point--why go back and court them again? They are a marginal group--the right kook fringe. The only good which can come from this is to enure to the benefit of the left--not the GOP.

re: #183 Sharmuta

My friend Killgore has taken a lot of shit. I'm glad I could back him up.

I know he has, and wrongfully so.

re: #182 Jetpilot1101

As far as I'm concerned, the political situation has done a UFIT: Uncontrolled Flight Into Terrain. CFIT or UFIT episodes never end well and this one is no exception.

I was hoping the "into Terrain" part had not yet occurred, still time for recovering.

We just need to tend to the business at hand and not distractions.

re: #183 Sharmuta

My friend Killgore has taken a lot of shit. I'm glad I could back him up.

I only gave him a little shit...and not for content or effort

To see how joining a rally with these people can affect you, here's MM, whose heart is in the right place, but if you look behind her it looks like she's campaigning for Ron Paul. You also see "obama's a sekret muslim" signs and "end the fed" etc.

re: #179 Sharmuta

Then I'm glad Bloodnok mentioned the number of folks coming in to see the original Beirut fauxtographs. It made me look at the referrers list, and I couldn't help notice diggers looking at the ron paul/don black photo. Digg finally pays off.

:)

re: #167 Killgore Trout

Actually it's been just the reverse here in Atlanta. One of the original organizers of Atlanta's try of their 1st tea party (back in February) was Jason Pye, a Libertarian Party activist. He was off put later (for the April one) due to the emergence of Gingrich (American Solutions) partnered with Tax Day Tea Party for the April 15th one.

Again as I stated before, I did see a couple of Ron Paul signs at that 4/15 Atlanta rally, but they were as ignored by the 20K + in attendance as the traffic lights were that day

re: #188 Thanos

Yup, I think Malkin posted that video on her blog and nobody said a word about it.

re: #189 Bloodnok

This is a great community- where we can all work off each other's ideas and comments. {Group Hug!}

saw the Lord of Song, Leonard Cohen live, recently. The poor guy, he had all of his money stolen, he is 74 years old and still has to work.

He put on a wonderful show and he may be 74, but he still has it. It was worth every penny I spent to see him, what a great show he put on.

If anyone here is a Cohen fan, I highly recommend seeing him.

Kevin Laue knows what would happen if a college basketball team took a chance on him and he didn't pan out. Fans would wonder what the coach was thinking in using a scholarship on a center missing his left hand.

"It's a business," the 6-foot-10 Laue said. "Their jobs are all on the line. It's much safer to take a two-handed guy my size that got beat by me."

But Manhattan College's Barry Rohrssen figures coaches take chances all the time. He'd rather take one on Laue, whose left arm ends just past the elbow. So last week, the Division I school signed the center, and Rohrssen is confident his work ethic will rub off on other players.

"We take chances on kids who have poor academic histories, who have disciplinary problems both on the court and off the court," Rohrssen said Tuesday. "We give opportunities to players who don't appreciate them, who take them for granted. For all the right reasons, Kevin deserves this chance, and he should make the most of this opportunity."

OT: Ear Leader is now here in Las Vegas.

I've been dreading this upcoming July 4th. On a day of patriotism canservatives across the country are going to attend Ron Paul rallies with White Nationalists and Truthers. It's too late to stop it.

re: #195 gmsc

OT: Ear Leader is now here in Las Vegas.

Is he going to say come to Vegas?

re: #192 Sharmuta

This is a great community- where we can all work off each other's ideas and comments. {Group Hug!}

Best group of folks on the Web...

re: #195 gmsc

OT: Ear Leader is now here in Las Vegas.

Crap! Is that why the line on the NorKs keeps shifting?

re: #196 Killgore Trout

I've been dreading this upcoming July 4th. On a day of patriotism canservatives across the country are going to attend Ron Paul rallies with White Nationalists and Truthers. It's too late to stop it.

That's why it's important to let people know now what to be on the lookout for.

re: #195 gmsc

OT: Ear Leader is now here in Las Vegas.

Is he going to finish what he started?

re: #190 sattv4u2

Is you Tea Party sponsored by FreedomWorks? If so, you have a problem. I won't research your Tea Party for you because it probably won't help.

re: #201 Fenway_Nation

Is he going to finish what he started?

FN ... what would that be?

James Taranto posted a link to the new moronic convergence:

The growing harmonic convergence of apocalyptic stupidity that goes under the rubric 2012 or "the Mayan Calendar Prophecy" has not yet reached Y2K proportions. And while it's broken out of the New Agey cult status where it's been fermenting for some years, there are still many in the chattering classes who haven't heard about it. "The end of the world in 2012?" my friend Stanley said. "You mean I have to wait that long?"

The cult around the date Dec. 21, 2012—the supposed apocalyptic final day on something referred to knowingly as "The Mayan 'Long Count' Calendar"—has been the subject of fevered fantasies on the net and the free New Age "magazines" given away at health-food stores. But last week Newsweek gave it serious attention, and there's a metastasizing web of 2012 sites, including at least one anti-2012 site, which has a section devoted to debunking the apparently limitless number of gullible airheads who have become 2012 believers.

What are these people smoking, and why aren't they sharing?

I thought we were supposed to stay away from Vegas?!

re: #195 gmsc

OT: Ear Leader is now here in Las Vegas.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

re: #196 Killgore Trout

I've been dreading this upcoming July 4th. On a day of patriotism canservatives across the country are going to attend Ron Paul rallies with White Nationalists and Truthers. It's too late to stop it.

Well I'll be at the Naval Academy in Annapolis checking the teeth of all the new Midshipmen, so not me.

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Is you Tea Party sponsored by FreedomWorks? If so, you have a problem. I won't research your Tea Party for you because it probably won't help.

Checked before I went,, no it wasn;'t and 7/04 isn;t

re: #200 Sharmuta

The alarm bells have been ringing for so long and those still participating and promoting these events don't care and are in deep denial. I don't think there's anything that can wake them up in time.

re: #204 Steffan

History channel joined in this last night.

re: #197 jcm

Is he going to say come to Vegas?

Our governor asked him to apologize for his earlier comments about Vegas, that scared so much business away, and Ear Leader refused.

I'm going to guess "No."

re: #204 Steffan

James Taranto posted a link to the new moronic convergence:

What are these people smoking, and why aren't they sharing?

re: #210 JHW

History channel joined in this last night.

Teh Krazee sells, baby! It sells.

Fauxtoclone
(with apologies to Paul Simon)

When I think back on all the crap the media fed me,
It’s a wonder I still have a clue.
But the exposure of Fauxtography has freed me;
This propaganda I can now see through.

Fauxtoclone
They give us those nice thick smoke trails,
And “Green Helmet” posing entrails;
Make you think all Beirut was blown away.
They got a fauxto program,
They love to make a fauxtograph.
Oh mama, please take their Fauxtoclone away.

If you took all the phony pictures propagated,
And brought them all together in one file,
You’d have a testament to treason unabated;
You’d have a monumental lying pile.

Fauxtoclone
They give us a fake construction,
They give us a staged production;
Make you think day is night, and night is day.
They’re in the fauxto business,
Disseminating fauxtographs.
Oh mama, please take their Fauxtoclone away.

And so in all the mainstream media publications,
From Reuters wires to the New York Times,
There is a flood of fauxtographic fabrications;
There is a trail of journalistic crimes.

Fauxtoclone
They give us a mocked-up missile,
They give us clean toys in rubble;
Make your heart bleed; emotions they will sway.
They run a fauxto racket,
Distributing their fauxtographs.
Oh mama, please take their Fauxtoclone away.

If you count all the times Flat Fatima’s been homeless,
And all the times the IDF’s been framed,
And all the Pallywood productions foisted on us,
You’ll realize the MSM’s to blame.

Fauxtoclone
They give us contrived depictions,
They give us misleading captions;
Make you think good is bad, and bad’s okay.
They’re fauxto-journalistas,
Subverting truth with fauxtographs.
Oh mama, please take their Fauxtoclone away.

re: #201 Fenway_Nation

Is he going to finish what he started?

Well , he didn't start this country, but he's doing his best to finish it off.

re: #182 Jetpilot1101

As far as I'm concerned, the political situation has done a UFIT: Uncontrolled Flight Into Terrain. CFIT or UFIT episodes never end well and this one is no exception.

re: #209 Killgore Trout

The alarm bells have been ringing for so long and those still participating and promoting these events don't care and are in deep denial. I don't think there's anything that can wake them up in time.

I's suportin' the Tee Parteez! Ignorin' yer linkz!

re: #211 gmsc

Our governor asked him to apologize for his earlier comments about Vegas, that scared so much business away, and Ear Leader refused.

I'm going to guess "No."

The One doesn't like the competition for disposable (or not so disposable) income.

re: #203 JacksonTn

FN ... what would that be?

The end of the hospitality/convention business in Las Vegas.

Not to mention all the ancillary business that goes with it.

re: #214 gmsc

Well , he didn't start this country, but he's doing his best to finish it off.

I disagree. I think he hasn't even cleared off his desk and really started in on it yet. I worry what would happen if when he really settles down and gets to work on the project.

re: #194 Nevergiveup

Interesting...I'll check him out...With one hand he would have to be a monster inside or a great shooter.. With no cross over..You would really only be guarding his one side and pushing him his left...
Thanks for the post

re: #220 HoosierHoops

Interesting...I'll check him out...With one hand he would have to be a monster inside or a great shooter.. With no cross over..You would really only be guarding his one side and pushing him his left...
Thanks for the post

First I heard of it also.

re: #218 Fenway_Nation

The end of the hospitality/convention business in Las Vegas.

Not to mention all the ancillary business that goes with it.

The Bunny Ranch !

re: #215 Gus 802

Youtube Video

Real expensive lawn darts, aren't they?

/

Today, in Canada the so-called Conservative government announced the biggest deficit, ever. 50 Billion dollars. That's billion with a B folks.

At least the stinking Liberals, under Crouton, the semi literate bumpkin from Quebec ran with no deficits.

Just makes me want to puke. Or vote Liberal.

From the politics links: Obama To Nevada: Drop Dead

re: #218 Fenway_Nation

The end of the hospitality/convention business in Las Vegas.

Not to mention all the ancillary business that goes with it.

FN ... all they need to do is make some sort of "Shrine to Obama" there ... maybe somewhere around the Bellagio Dancing Waters ... it would be a big draw ...

/

Surprised that missile launch one that was on LGF last year wasn't mentioned.

re: #223 Steffan

Real expensive lawn darts, aren't they?

/

Yeah. They ignored two altitude alerts.

re: #208 sattv4u2

I just checked the webpage of the Atlanta Tea Party. You have big problems but I assume you knew that already. I'm not going to point them out or argue then with you because it's pointless. Go ahead, do what you want.

re: #225 gmsc

From the politics links: Obama To Nevada: Drop Dead

He's got the Midas touch.....

Anything he touches turns into a muffler and just blows from there on out.

re: #204 Steffan

You mean the world isn't gonna end in Dec 2012? Damn, there goes my debt repayment plan.

re: #226 JacksonTn

FN ... all they need to do is make some sort of "Shrine to Obama" there ...

/

Unemployment office. They just haven't changed the name yet.

re: #222 sattv4u2

The Bunny Ranch !

Actually, that's one county over, in Nye County (Vegas in in Clark County).

The mayor of Pahrump (home of most of the legal brothels in Nye County) is even helping Vegas clean up illegal prostitution (less competition here).

re: #216 Bloodnok

I can haz fashizm?

re: #229 Killgore Trout

this one?
[Link: www.atlantateaparty.net...]

re: #233 Guanxi88

Unemployment office. They just haven't changed the name yet.

Guanxi88 ... laughing ... but so sad ...

re: #231 Fenway_Nation

He's got the Midas touch.....

Anything he touches turns into a muffler and just blows from there on out.

Can we call him Goldfinger?

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Yup, I think Malkin posted that video on her blog and nobody said a word about it.

To Langer's credit they now bring big blue arrows marked "tea party crasher" and park someone with them next to the Pautards.

Langer from IFL is one of the sane organizers of tea parties, the left is calling him an astroturfer, so he must be somewhat effective.

re: #239 Gus 802

Can we call him Goldfinger?

Thats not what I call him. ;)

re: #234 gmsc

Actually, that's one county over, in Nye County (Vegas in in Clark County).

The mayor of Pahrump (home of most of the legal brothels in Nye County) is even helping Vegas clean up illegal prostitution (less competition here).

Yes ,,, I know (but I'm not at liberty to tell you HOW I know!)

re: #236 sattv4u2

Yes, I'm not going to quibble with you about it. if you don't wee anything wrong there then I can't help you by pointing it out.

re: #242 DEZes

Thats not what I call him. ;)

Stinkyfinger?

//No reference to our Stinky.

re: #153 Charles

Wow. That's some seriously bad stuff.

A site associated with Dick Armey and Steve Forbes is promoting white nationalists.

The other commenters just went right past that first comment as if it weren't even there.

The comment that KT quoted was the last one. It's dated after all the rest.

re: #153 Charles

Wow. That's some seriously bad stuff.

A site associated with Dick Armey and Steve Forbes is promoting white nationalists.

The other commenters just went right past that first comment as if it weren't even there.

Good grief! That first comment was completely ignored. Well-written and documented, too.

re: #246 Gus 802

Stinkyfinger?

//No reference to our Stinky.

I better not type it, there are ladies present. ;)

re: #250 reine.de.tout

Good grief! That first comment was completely ignored. Well-written and documented, too.

Wonder when It gets deleted..
{reine}

re: #235 Killgore Trout

I can haz fashizm?

re: #239 Gus 802

Can we call him Goldfinger?

Well, he does have a floating airship of doom, like something out of Jules Verne:

Steve Forbes? Say it ain't so....

re: #226 JacksonTn

FN ... all they need to do is make some sort of "Shrine to Obama" there ... maybe somewhere around the Bellagio Dancing Waters ... it would be a big draw ...

/

Funny you should say "Bellagio" - he's appearing in the Coliseum at Caesars Palace - right next door to the Bellagio!

Correction on previous link: Obama To Nevada Governor: Drop Dead

re: #256 gmsc

Funny you should say "Bellagio" - he's appearing in the Coliseum at Caesars Palace - right next door to the Bellagio!

Correction on previous link: Obama To Nevada Governor: Drop Dead

gmsc ... lol ... ha ha ... the Coliseum ... I bet he is bringing his traveling columns!

re: #245 Killgore Trout

Yes, I'm not going to quibble with you about it. if you don't wee anything wrong there then I can't help you by pointing it out.

But you stated who is running it. That Freedom Works is a "sponser" is troublesome, but not deadly, IMHO. I have spoken to two out of the three people on the masthead and it is ther claim that FW is supplying nothing more than advice re: permit applications and insurance advice