What? No 72 virgins?!?

Terrorists going to prison? Gitmo out of here!

He'll have fertile ground for the recruitment of muslims in prison.

Emphasis on the quotes around "charity".

re: #2 Pupdawg

Terrorists going to prison? Gitmo out of here!

Fighting terrorists hasn't worked, so we need to return to the days of prosecuting them.

/ Leftist mantra

CAIR had no comment.

re: #1 FurryOldGuyJeans

What? No 72 virgins?!?

He won't be a "virgin" once he gets to prison either

I use to live in Garland Texas, in the 70's. Pretty much a white bread place in those days, in the sense of just a bedroom community, northeast of Dallas. Interesting.

re: #7 Desert Dog

He won't be a "virgin" once he gets to prison either

like he is now.

No doubt that that asshole on the first jury is seething in his own fashion.

re: #9 Eowyn2

like he is now.

ha!

re: #8 Walter L. Newton

I use to live in Garland Texas, in the 70's. Pretty much a white bread place in those days, in the sense of just a bedroom community, northeast of Dallas. Interesting.

Isn't Hank Hill from Garland?

I'm glad the sentence was stiff. Let it serve as an example to anyone else who wants to funnel money to thugs on our soil.

re: #12 Eowyn2

Isn't Hank Hill from Garland?

No, Arlen Texas.

re: #10 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No doubt that that asshole on the first jury is seething in his own fashion.

PIMF
No doubt that that that is redundant.

re: #15 pre-Boomer Marine brat

PIMF
No doubt that that that is redundant.

Are you trying to confuse us? ;)

Allah be praised!

re: #13 Sharmuta

I'm glad the sentence was stiff. Let it serve as an example to anyone else who wants to funnel money to thugs on our soil.

So when is CAIR going to be indicted then?

/wait... don't we give them money too? or was this a tax thing?

re: #13 Sharmuta

I'm glad the sentence was stiff. Let it serve as an example to anyone else who wants to funnel money to thugs on our soil.

Now if only we the taxpayers, especially those in Texas, won't have to fund his jihad recruitment.

re: #6 Sharmuta

CAIR had no comment.

That's true, literally. There seems to be nothing on their website about this yet.

I did find a little statement about the jihadists who were arrested for the New York synagogue bombing plot. CAIR is claiming that they weren't motivated by anything related to Islam at all. In fact, they never would have even done it, if the FBI informant weren't paying them. Basically, it's the FBI who is the terrorists, not the Muslims. So says CAIR.

..but, but I thought he was just raising money for diapers and baby formula.//

re: #22 KenJen

..but, but I thought he was just raising money for diapers and baby formula.//

It's for the children, you know

re: #8 Walter L. Newton
Indeed Walter,
And, Baker is so ...so ... American sounding isn't it?

re: #4 bryantms

Emphasis on the quotes around "charity".

Yes, very cheritable. This guy was cut off by the judge at his post sentencing diatribe arguing that he gave money to the families of Jew killing suicide bombers and not to the bombers themselves. An argument sure to win sympathy from the left.

re: #21 Last Mohican

I expect that mantra of the FBI is responsible to be picked up by the Left and FMSM real soon for propagandizing the masses.

If you have to serve in a cell with this guy you should get 2 for 1 or something...

I guess that "Holy Land Foundation" name didn't do the job for them in terms of cover. I'd suggest they try instead "Foundation for the Defense of Fluffy Bunnies and the Promotion of Rainbows".

re: #22 KenJen

..but, but I thought he was just raising money for diapers and baby formula.//

How else would a steady supply of 'splodey-dopes be assured?

You gotta love karma in action. I hope he enjoys prison.

re: #12 Eowyn2

Isn't Hank Hill from Garland?

The Hills live in Arlen.

re: #27 Baier
Where will he serve his sentence?
Seems to me he will not be alive anywhere for very long!

re: #28 Occasional Reader

I guess that "Holy Land Foundation" name didn't do the job for them in terms of cover. I'd suggest they try instead "Foundation for the Defense of Fluffy Bunnies and the Promotion of Rainbows".

Rainbow farting Unicorns, dude. You forgot the Rainbow farting Unicorns.

re: #18 Desert Dog

So when is CAIR going to be indicted then?

They're already an unindicted co-conspirator. Not sure when that will change, but it should.

re: #28 Occasional Reader

I guess that "Holy Land Foundation" name didn't do the job for them in terms of cover. I'd suggest they try instead "Foundation for the Defense of Fluffy Bunnies and the Promotion of Rainbows".

You do a good imitation of Sean Penn.

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

I expect that mantra of the FBI is responsible to be picked up by the Left and FMSM real soon for propagandizing the masses.

Well, that's HuffPo's story.

Only click that link if you haven't fulfilled your daily "offensive moron" requirement yet today.

Justice.

re: #30 VioletTiger

You gotta love karma in action. I hope he enjoys prison.

Jihad recruitment paid for by the tax-paying citizens of Texas, what's not to like?

/ is it sarcasm, or is it memorex?

re: #34 Sharmuta

They're already an unindicted co-conspirator. Not sure when that will change, but it should.

Let's hope so and it rips back that phoney-balony facade they hide behind.

re: #1 FurryOldGuyJeans

What? No 72 virgins?!?

They are all out of virgins. Subbing a couple dozen big hairy guys with machine guns.

re: #1 FurryOldGuyJeans

What? No 72 virgins?!?

No, but they almost got 72 years. Something got lost in the translation. /

re: #21 Last Mohican

That's true, literally. There seems to be nothing on their website about this yet.

I did find a little statement about the jihadists who were arrested for the New York synagogue bombing plot. CAIR is claiming that they weren't motivated by anything related to Islam at all. In fact, they never would have even done it, if the FBI informant weren't paying them. Basically, it's the FBI who is the terrorists, not the Muslims. So says CAIR.

I heard a Lawyer making that arguement a couple of weeks ago.
He asserted that these guys are bozos & in essence were entraped by the FBI.
If I remeember the definition of entrapment correctly , it is the inducement to get somone to do something that they would never do on their own.
These guys were jail house converts, so I doubt that they were seeking that inner struggle.

re: #33 FurryOldGuyJeans

Rainbow farting Unicorns, dude. You forgot the Rainbow farting Unicorns.

Your Unicorn farts rainbows?
Hope I still have my recipt!
Damn Walmart...

re: #28 Occasional Reader

I guess that "Holy Land Foundation" name didn't do the job for them in terms of cover. I'd suggest they try instead "Foundation for the Defense of Fluffy Bunnies and the Promotion of Rainbows".

Hey, those bunnies are dangerous! /jimmy carter

re: #36 Last Mohican

Well, that's HuffPo's story.

Only click that link if you haven't fulfilled your daily "offensive moron" requirement yet today.

Ahh, I don't swim in cesspools so certainly I can't be expected to know the latest regurgitation from the Left.

re: #33 FurryOldGuyJeans

Rainbow farting Unicorns, dude. You forgot the Rainbow farting Unicorns.

I thought they farted butterflies?

re: #33 FurryOldGuyJeans

Rainbow farting Unicorns, dude. You forgot the Rainbow farting Unicorns.

You might like this tee shirt [Link: www.threadless.com...]

See?

WE don't need Gitmo.

re: #46 KenJen

I thought they farted butterflies?

Depends on the make and model. ;)

re: #16 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are you trying to confuse us? ;)

I shy away from the difficult tasks, preferring the easy ones.

/and wisely *diving for a foxhole*

re: #44 lawhawk

Hey, those bunnies are dangerous! /jimmy carter

They've got... huge, sharp...

re: #43 reloadingisnotahobby

Your Unicorn farts rainbows?
Hope I still have my recipt!
Damn Walmart...

That's what you get for buying Chinese made Unicorns!

I hope the shit-slinging-monkey Hoopie is seething.

re: #53 MandyManners

I hope the shit-slinging-monkey Hoopie is seething.

Oh, you know he is.

re: #53 MandyManners

I hope the shit-slinging-monkey Hoopie is seething.

Who?

re: #41 lawhawk

No, but they almost got 72 years. Something got lost in the translation. /

Hmmm, maybe someone needs to change his menu chart to include lots of pork and pork products then.

re: #13 Sharmuta

I'm glad the sentence was stiff. Let it serve as an example to anyone else who wants to funnel money to thugs on our soil.

Like $900,000 to Hamas?

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

No, Arlen Texas.

That reminds me - Mike Judge's new show, The Goode Family premieres tonight. Looks pretty funny.

[Link: abc.go.com...]

re: #45 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ahh, I don't swim in cesspools so certainly I can't be expected to know the latest regurgitation from the Left.

Here's another heapin' helping, scooped from the cesspool: Robert Dreyfuss in "The Nation":

Despite the pompous statements from Mayor Bloomberg of New York and other politicians, including Representative Peter King, the whole story is bogus...

It is disgusting and outrageous that the FBI is sending provocateurs into mosques.

The headlines reinforce the very fear that Dick Cheney is trying to stir up. The story strengthens the narrative that the "homeland" is under attack. It's not. As I've written repeatedly, since 9/11 not a single American has even been punched in the nose by an angry Muslim, as far as I can tell.

The early line is 2:1 Obama pardons them all when his days in office are done.

re: #59 Last Mohican

I need to take a LONG shower just having read what you extracted, clicking that link would have put me into totally toxic range.

re: #42 opnion

I heard a Lawyer making that arguement a couple of weeks ago.
He asserted that these guys are bozos & in essence were entraped by the FBI.
If I remeember the definition of entrapment correctly , it is the inducement to get somone to do something that they would never do on their own.
These guys were jail house converts, so I doubt that they were seeking that inner struggle.

LOL! I'm not a lawyer, but were I a judge, sitting on the bench, and a lawyer's case was "Your honor, it's clear that my clients are bozos", I'd probably be unable to refrain from responding:

"Counselor, since you're an officer of the court, I'll take your word for it. And, it appears the evidence supports your thesis."

Gavel bang.

"Next case."

re: #13 Sharmuta

I'm glad the sentence was stiff. Let it serve as an example to anyone else who wants to funnel money to thugs on our soil.

How is this going to be an example to the UN? /

re: #36 Last Mohican

Well, that's HuffPo's story.

Only click that link if you haven't fulfilled your daily "offensive moron" requirement yet today.

Ok, if I have this right, these guys were carrer criminals before their conversion. Therefore their latest crime on behalf of Islam had nothing to do with Islam. That about it?

re: #57 Russkilitlover

Like $900,000,000 to Hamas?

Oops! Forgot we are living in the age of Obama...add lots of zeros to everything.

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

I need to take a LONG shower just having read what you extracted, clicking that link would have put me into totally toxic range.

Sorry about that. I actually just took a quick jaunt through Dreyfuss' website. I'll spare you any further quotations, but now I feel like I should head over to the hospital and take a long bath in some surgical disinfectant. Yech.

re: #57 Russkilitlover

Like $900,000 to Hamas?

+1

re: #59 Last Mohican

As far as he can tell. When you're busy playing the Opus, what do you expect?

The facts do speak for themselves.

Let's just ignore the attacks before 9/11 - the ones when Clinton was in office, like the first WTC attack, the USS Cole; the embassy bombings.

Or the attacks after, by the UNC nutter Taheriazar, or the Seattle shooter at the Jewish center, the DC sniper, or various honor killings.

What's worse is that Man U is losing 0-1 to Barcelona!

.

re: #59 Last Mohican

From your link:

As I've written repeatedly, since 9/11 not a single American has even been punched in the nose by an angry Muslim, as far as I can tell.

So in this idiot's world, gunning down Jewish women in cold blood just sort of doesn't count. Oh, wait, he didn't "punch them in the nose", so I guess it's okay.

re: #68 lawhawk

As far as he can tell. When you're busy playing the Opus, what do you expect?

The facts do speak for themselves.

Let's just ignore the attacks before 9/11 - the ones when Clinton was in office, like the first WTC attack, the USS Cole; the embassy bombings.

Or the attacks after, by the UNC nutter Taheriazar, or the Seattle shooter at the Jewish center, the DC sniper, or various honor killings.

...the Muslim who ran over people with his car at the San Francisco JCC... the one who shot up the El Al counter at LAX...

This is a Federal Court ain't it? So I'm paying ha? Well accidents do happen I guess.

re: #72 Last Mohican

Or any of these that weren't previously mentioned.

re: #72 Last Mohican

...the Muslim who ran over people with his car at the San Francisco JCC... the one who shot up the El Al counter at LAX...

No, those crimes were all done by "men", of no affiliation to anything whatsoever, silly.

re: #65 Russkilitlover

Oops! Forgot we are living in the age of Obama...add lots of zeros to everything.

So- is that the upside of being broke? Congress can't send anymore to them.

re: #68 lawhawk

Or the attacks after, by the UNC nutter Taheriazar, or the Seattle shooter at the Jewish center, the DC sniper, or various honor killings.

Did any of those things involve punches in the nose?

No?

Well, case closed, smart guy.

/

re: #21 Last Mohican

That's true, literally. There seems to be nothing on their website about this yet.

I did find a little statement about the jihadists who were arrested for the New York synagogue bombing plot. CAIR is claiming that they weren't motivated by anything related to Islam at all. In fact, they never would have even done it, if the FBI informant weren't paying them. Basically, it's the FBI who is the terrorists, not the Muslims. So says CAIR.

It may take a few days for CAIR to post a comment. After the Mumbai massacre it took a few days until CAIR condemned those who killed Muslims and Christians in the terror attacks. No mention of Jews.

But I'm guessing that when CAIR posts on this they'll call the guy "a legitimate businessman" who suffered because of the government inordinate and senseless fear of Muslims.

(Apologies to Mick and the Stones)

I can't GITMO satisfaction

A bit OT:

"the myth of the white muslim's burden"

The reason I don't like discussions about the situation of white Muslims as a community, or the power relationships between white converts and their birth culture (ie, the loss or retention of white privilege), is because I do not believe there is any such thing as a white Muslim community. There is only a white Muslim here, a white Muslim there. The very fact that we have chosen to be part of this religion means that our experiences are radically divergent from the majority of other white westerners. What those experiences were differs quite a bit from convert to convert. Some people were unhappy with the status quo and saw Islam as a purer, more moral way of living. Some married in. Some had spiritual epiphanies. Some started out in other Abrahamic faiths but felt there was something missing. The differences don't stop there: we're from different classes, different parts of the West, different cultural backgrounds. In other words, despite the fact that we try and try to build a single narrative for ourselves, we have very little in common.

We are not a community. We are statistical outliers. A tiny minority in a religion that is overwhelmingly non-white and overwhelmingly non-western. So why do we keep trying to build a narrative about white Muslims? Why so much attention to what we do or do not represent?

re: #77 Occasional Reader

Did any of those things involve punches in the nose?

No?

Well, case closed, smart guy.

/

His obsession with the "punch in the nose" exposes a deep seeded pathology.

Let's call it anti-Semitism.

re: #78 dhg4

It may take a few days for CAIR to post a comment. After the Mumbai massacre it took a few days until CAIR condemned those who killed Muslims and Christians in the terror attacks. No mention of Jews.

But I'm guessing that when CAIR posts on this they'll call the guy "a legitimate businessman" who suffered because of the government inordinate and senseless fear of Muslims.

And was entrapped by a terrorist government. No way he would have done what he did on his own.

/ CAIR thinking

re: #71 Occasional Reader

From your link:

So in this idiot's world, gunning down Jewish women in cold blood just sort of doesn't count. Oh, wait, he didn't "punch them in the nose", so I guess it's okay.

'Jews' are not 'Americans' for the purposes of this degree of not getting the big picture.

Last update - 21:57 27/05/2009

Clinton: U.S. working to jumpstart Israel-PA talks

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

For those who don't speak clintonease, I'll translate:

"We are gonna jump ugly on the Israelis"

"We're going to put very specific proposals to Israelis and the Palestinians, we're also reaching out to the governments of the Arab nations on what they expect us to do to create an atmosphere to move forward,"--Let me translate that one:

"We don't give a shit what Israel says"

re: #59 Last Mohican

I guess that Dreyfuss could stand to read some Daniel Pipes.

Good.

Here's to hoping he goes to a Supermax facility.

re: #21 Last Mohican

That's true, literally. There seems to be nothing on their website about this yet.

I did find a little statement about the jihadists who were arrested for the New York synagogue bombing plot. CAIR is claiming that they weren't motivated by anything related to Islam at all. In fact, they never would have even done it, if the FBI informant weren't paying them. Basically, it's the FBI who is the terrorists, not the Muslims. So says CAIR.

That was some Muslim womens' organization:
US Muslim Women: NY Synagogue Bomb Plan was FBI Plot

The National Association of Muslim American Women (NAMAW) has charged the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) with entrapping four New York City Muslims arrested for planning to bomb a synagogue.

NAMAW appealed to the Justice Department to investigate the case, accusing the FBI of plotting to entrap the cell as part of a campaign against Muslims. It said that the FBI is “creating the illusion that all Muslims are either terrorists or potential terrorists, thereby substantiating the use of racial and religious profiling on Muslims and Arabs.

The Muslim women’s group, which previously has asked for a probe of Jewish lobby groups for allegedly spreading hate messages, claimed that one of those arrested has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. They also charged that the FBI informant “persuaded these men into believing that their religion obligated them to carry out acts of violence in the United States in retaliation for U.S. war crimes being carried out in the Muslim world.'

Terence Kindlon, a lawyer who defended the last terror suspect to be tried in New York State, told the Times of London, “It is almost as if the FBI cooked up the plot and found four idiots to install as defendants.”

re: #64 opnion

Ok, if I have this right, these guys were carrer criminals before their conversion. Therefore their latest crime on behalf of Islam had nothing to do with Islam. That about it?

The HuffPo "argument":

1. They were already criminals before converting to Islam, so you can't blame their wanting to do bad stuff on Islam.

2. They were stupid. They had low IQs. So they can't be international terrorist masterminds. [I don't know who the hell suggested that they were, or how this is in any way relevant]

3. They thought that killing Jews and shooting down a plane was doing Allah's work, but they were wrong, and they don't really understand Islam. They even ate pork! [This is a perfect invocation of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.]

4. Various American Muslims condemned their plot. Therefore, you can't blame Islam. [Again, "No True Scotsman." And again, a gigantically stupid thing to say.]

5. They weren't going to do anything bad until the FBI informant said they could get money for blowing stuff up and killing people. So it's all the FBI's fault.

re: #22 KenJen

..but, but I thought he was just raising money for diapers and baby formula.//

It was for gallons of milk to be hauled one by one through the tunnels.

re: #87 Kosh's Shadow

Of course.

Well one thing about prison, at least he'll be among friends.

What'd I tell ya? Charity just ain't worth it.

re: #74 lawhawk

Or any of these that weren't previously mentioned.

Yep. No muslim has so much as punched an American in the nose. Right.

re: #75 Occasional Reader

No, those crimes were all done by "men", of no affiliation to anything whatsoever, silly.

Bingo! Those Muslims that occupied Spain for so long? Nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, they were Elks. Those were not Mosques that they built, they were Elks Lodges.

re: #59 Last Mohican

The left do not seriously believe that terrorists are a threat any longer. That's the only explanation for kooks like Dreyfuss.

re: #87 Kosh's Shadow

What's scary is that if these four were successful in carrying out an attack, they'd be busy blaming the NYPD, FBI, CIA and Bush for not stopping the attacks and having guys on the inside to get the critical information needed to thwart them.

Instead, we've got the usual excuses from the usual suspects that this was all just a setup and that the defendants were really not the bad guys the prosecutors make them out to be.

re: #88 Last Mohican

Today's variation 121 of "We create the terrorists by being so mean" mantra.

re: #8 Walter L. Newton

I use to live in Garland Texas, in the 70's. Pretty much a white bread place in those days, in the sense of just a bedroom community, northeast of Dallas. Interesting.

"Home of the Money Saving Mile!" That is, back when the new car dealerships in Garland lined Garland Avenue. Now, the new car places are on LBJ Freeway (I-635), or E. Northwest Highway, and the "we tote the note" used car dealers are on Garland Ave.

So, Richard Dryfuss blew up a fake shark once and now he's an expert on FBI procedure and criminal law?

re: #93 Dianna

I see a couple of beheadings, a bunch of shootings, a couple of rundowns, but no punch outs.

re: #94 opnion

Bingo! Those Muslims that occupied Spain for so long? Nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, they were Elks. Those were not Mosques that they built, they were Elks Lodges.

Oh, leave Spain out of it. If we start pointing fingers about who did what in the ninth century, we're not gonna get out of here before midnight.

re: #12 Eowyn2

Isn't Hank Hill from Garland?

He's from "Arlen", which is a take-off on Garland.

re: #76 Sharmuta

So- is that the upside of being broke? Congress can't send anymore to them.

The beauty of being the federal gov, you can just keep printing $$$.

re: #95 VioletTiger

The left do not seriously believe that terrorists are a threat any longer. That's the only explanation for kooks like Dreyfuss.

The terrorists are NEVER a threat, according to the loons on the left. Only the US specifically and the West in general are.

re: #3 Cicero05

He'll have fertile ground for the recruitment of muslims in prison.

His kind of Muslim despises the prison Muslims; they are usually of the Black Muslim variety of Islam and therefore heretical/stupid.

re: #99 Mad Al-Jaffee

Wasn't that Roy Scheider who blew up the shark, while Hooper was on the bottom trying to get out of the mangled shark cage? Must be projection.

re: #91 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well one thing about prison, at least he'll be among friends.

Maybe they should send him to a women's prison?

re: #102 Ward Cleaver

He's from "Arlen", which is a take-off on Garland.

I grew up down the street from him, I tell you what.

/

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, leave Spain out of it. If we start pointing fingers about who did what in the ninth century, we're not gonna get out of here before midnight.

Madrid bombings?

re: #97 FurryOldGuyJeans

Today's variation 121 of "We create the terrorists by being so mean" mantra.

That guy Dreyfuss actually wrote a book called "Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam."

If we're to blame for unleashing it, then howcome he believes it's safely leashed?

The moonbat mind can perform fantastic feats of inference if there's a way to blame George W. Bush for something at the end.

re: #94 opnion

Bingo! Those Muslims that occupied Spain for so long? Nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, they were Elks. Those were not Mosques that they built, they were Elks Lodges.

Oh no, I was named Elks Lodge Student of the Year my senior year in high school by the local Elks Lodge! That's it, I'm giving the pen back!

re: #99 Mad Al-Jaffee

So, Richard Dryfuss blew up a fake shark once and now he's an expert on FBI procedure and criminal law?

You leave Mr. Holland out of this!

(It's one "Robert Dreyfuss", not Richard.)

(However, Richard is an idiotarian in his own right, if I recall correctly.)

re: #100 lawhawk

I see a couple of beheadings, a bunch of shootings, a couple of rundowns, but no punch outs.

Not to mention a few honor killings too.

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

It always comes back to the Hispanics doesn't it. ///Sonia Sotomayor

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, leave Spain out of it. If we start pointing fingers about who did what in the ninth century, we're not gonna get out of here before midnight.

Yeah, the statute of limitations has run, but the were just ELKS.

re: #115 opnion

Yeah, the statute of limitations has run, but the were just ELKS.

An elk or Anne Elk?

re: #106 lawhawk

Wasn't that Roy Scheider who blew up the shark, while Hooper was on the bottom trying to get out of the mangled shark cage? Must be projection.

Yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen Jaws.

re: #96 lawhawk

What's scary is that if these four were successful in carrying out an attack, they'd be busy blaming the NYPD, FBI, CIA and Bush for not stopping the attacks and having guys on the inside to get the critical information needed to thwart them.

Instead, we've got the usual excuses from the usual suspects that this was all just a setup and that the defendants were really not the bad guys the prosecutors make them out to be.

Yes. Our law enforcement did our job.

What worries me are those terrorists in the US who really know where to get bombs and weapons.
At least Obama is continuing the surveillance program. Let's hope we catch them before they set up the bombs, because I doubt they'll tell us anything with only the comfy chair to use against them.

re: #110 Last Mohican

If we're to blame for unleashing it, then howcome he believes it's safely leashed?

Because of The Coming of The One. Like, duh.

re: #106 lawhawk

Wasn't that Roy Scheider who blew up the shark, while Hooper was on the bottom trying to get out of the mangled shark cage? Must be projection.

He got out, he was hiding in the reeds at the bottom when the Sheriff shot the shark.

Really it was an scuba air tank that is designed to not explode, but Hollywood can't let reality stand in the way.

Ghassan Elashi has also gotten 65 years.

re: #117 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen Jaws.

I guess you don't have cable then?

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, leave Spain out of it. If we start pointing fingers about who did what in the ninth century, we're not gonna get out of here before midnight.

This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who.
Camelot, eh? Very good pig country...

re: #116 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

An elk or Anne Elk?

The former

re: #109 brookly red

Madrid bombings?

Let me rephrase: leave Spain before, say, Franco, out of it.

re: #118 Kosh's Shadow

Yes. Our law enforcement did our job.

What worries me are those terrorists in the US who really know where to get bombs and weapons.
At least Obama is continuing the surveillance program. Let's hope we catch them before they set up the bombs, because I doubt they'll tell us anything with only the comfy chair to use against them.

Why, at gun shows of course!
/future Obama administration position

re: #110 Last Mohican

That guy Dreyfuss actually wrote a book called "Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam."

If we're to blame for unleashing it, then howcome he believes it's safely leashed?

The moonbat mind can perform fantastic feats of inference if there's a way to blame George W. Bush for something at the end.

If anyone other than the jihadis themselves are responsible, some Brit policy makers during and after WWI have their fair share.

re: #122 Nevergiveup

I guess you don't have cable then?

I have Direct TV, but I don't subscribe to any of the movie channels. Why, do they play it on some of the basic cable channels a lot? I would rather see it unedited on dvd.

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

Really it was an scuba air tank that is designed to not explode, but Hollywood can't let reality stand in the way.

What happens if a scuba air tank is suddenly punctured?

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Let me rephrase: leave Spain before, say, Franco, out of it.

In notice that you REPEATEDLY mispell "al-Andalus" as "Spain". Please desist, or I shall shake a giant key of vaguely medieval appearance at you!

/seething

/

re: #130 Iron Fist

65 years in prison, and an eternity in hell. It sounds like a reasonable sentence to me.

and bacon in every meal

re: #128 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have Direct TV, but I don't subscribe to any of the movie channels. Why, do they play it on some of the basic cable channels a lot? I would rather see it unedited on dvd.

The extras on one DVD edition are really cool. Lots about the sheer hassle it was making the movie.

re: #129 Occasional Reader

Nothing quite like what the movie portrayed. See Mythbusters.

re: #128 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have Direct TV, but I don't subscribe to any of the movie channels. Why, do they play it on some of the basic cable channels a lot? I would rather see it unedited on dvd.

Well it's only been on about 500 times in the last month. Is that alot?
/ it is on alot

re: #129 Occasional Reader

What happens if a scuba air tank is suddenly punctured?

Breathing gets hard?

re: #129 Occasional Reader

What happens if a scuba air tank is suddenly punctured?

An impressive boom, though it seems to have had something to do with hitting the side of a shipping container.

Nothing good for the diver, that's for certain.

re: #131 OldLineTexan

In notice that you REPEATEDLY mispell "al-Andalus"

Muslims also discovered al-Abama (including al-Tuscalus).

First French Military Base Opens in the Persian Gulf

This is what motivates Bin Laden, Al Qaida, etc MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

He got out, he was hiding in the reeds at the bottom when the Sheriff shot the shark.

Really it was an scuba air tank that is designed to not explode, but Hollywood can't let reality stand in the way.

I thought the shark bit a cable and was electrocuted?

OT, but this is absolutely disgusting:

Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

From the article:

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said that supervisor took down the flag herself.

So, there was (it says) a complaint. Further, the article states:

But McLucas also said hospital higher-ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.

But after the story made the news, and people began to comment:

Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident. It reads, in part: "The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up."

Excuse my language, but Bullshit! I absolutely despise people who can't just say "We blew it." (From my Navy days where the only acceptable response was "No excuse, sir.") The whole reason for taking it down was as a result of complaints, and when the story went public, this representative tries to candy coat it with total crap.

Shame on them.

re: #140 KenJen

I thought the shark bit a cable and was electrocuted?

That was Jaws 2

re: #135 Nevergiveup

Well it's only been on about 500 times in the last month. Is that alot?
/ it is on alot

I don't really watch a lot of tv. I mainly got Direct TV for the picture quality (got tired of adjusting the rabbit ears every time I changed the channel while watching football.)

re: #138 Occasional Reader

Muslims also discovered al-Abama (including al-Tuscalus).

I've said a million times.

When the Palis scream they want "Al Aqsa" they really mean Alaska.

re: #140 KenJen

I thought the shark bit a cable and was electrocuted?

that was son of shark

re: #129 Occasional Reader

What happens if a scuba air tank is suddenly punctured?

What happens to a rocket when you ignite the fuel?

re: #131 OldLineTexan

In notice that you REPEATEDLY mispell "al-Andalus" as "Spain". Please desist, or I shall shake a giant key of vaguely medieval appearance at you!

/seething

/

Actually, I misspell it as 'Sefarad'. ;)

re: #95 VioletTiger

The left do not seriously believe that terrorists are a threat any longer. That's the only explanation for kooks like Dreyfuss.

I found a picture of Dreyfuss using his impeccable thinking skills

re: #140 KenJen

I thought the shark bit a cable and was electrocuted?

That was one of the later movies, 2 I believe.

re: #124 opnion

The former

The latter, Ms. Anne Elk, has a new theory about the dinosaurs.
And it is a better theory than the "Discovery Institute" probably ever will manage - it is testable.

re: #134 lawhawk

Nothing quite like what the movie portrayed. See Mythbusters.

Do those guys have the greatest job in the world, or what?

Their final test wasn't really a test. In order to make thing go 'boom' they decided to blow up the tank with C4.

Sorry for the OT, but ...

Okay, I've stepped in it now.

At another social site (think facebook, think myspace) I managed to connect with about 8 or so friends that I hadn't spoken to or seen in what must be ten years.  We were always a tight group, and enjoyed each other's company, but when changes involving a divorce and moving, etc., I've managed to lose touch with them and visa versa.  So we're getting reacquainted, etc., and I (last week) forgetfully drop the bomb: I'm now a Republican.

They, apparently, all remained Democrats.  And now there's blood in the water, metaphorically speaking.  Some intense conversations (mostly involving "that bastard W" and so on) over the last week or so, and while I'm managing to hold my own, mostly, I am starting to sink under the waves.

I need suggestions for sites/blogs/whatever that the moonbat talking points about Bush, the war, etc., laid out, and the correct responses.  Scratch that, I know the responses, but I need to lay my hands on facts (dates/names/etc.), often at a moment's notice.  I've gleaned what I can here, and I've Googled until my eyes cross, but I'm still just a few steps ahead of the snapping teeth.  Again, metaphorically.

To say that I was surprized by this is an understatement.  I presumed that if I respected their beliefs and made no sudden moves that I might be able to get past this with them.  Everyone was going to respect everyone else.  Ha.

I'd never seen them feed on their own like this (I used to be one of them, after all), and I was unprepared for this.  It's seeming to be a given that I'm going to have to toss a bunch of these friendships into the high weeds (maybe all of them) and retreat to safer waters.

}:p     [So what sites would you recommend?  And in advance: thanks!]

Reading the article in my #121, Judge Solis wasn't having any of their propaganda BS at the sentencing.

re: #149 FurryOldGuyJeans

That was one of the later movies, 2 I believe.

Which was followed by the "classic" Jaws 3D.

re: #137 Dianna

An impressive boom, though it seems to have had something to do with hitting the side of a shipping container.

Nothing good for the diver, that's for certain.

No, they do not explode. They go jetting off like an out of control rocket.

re: #129 Occasional Reader

What happens if a scuba air tank is suddenly punctured?

Here's one that apparently died of old age and abuse.

However, a puncture will not necessarily cause an explosion ... it may cause a rocket. This depends on the starting pressure and the condition/type of the tank material.

re: #130 Iron Fist

65 years in prison, and an eternity in hell. It sounds like a reasonable sentence to me.

I assume that truth in sentencing guidlines mandate a minimum of 80% to be served?

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, they do not explode. They go jetting off like an out of control rocket.

Also, spaceships don't make noise and explode when shot in space. So Star Wars was bullshit! :)

re: #152 kulhwch

If you haven't spoken to them in ten years I wouldn't bother with them.

re: #59 Last Mohican

since 9/11 not a single American has even been punched in the nose by an angry Muslim, as far as I can tell.

19 terrorist attacks against the U.S. thwarted since 9/11

re: #141 subsailor68

Kindred Healthcare corporate should be raked over the coals, back and forth. All they care about is their own backsides.

The sentencing hearing is still going on, and there's two more left to be sentenced.

So next, you guys are gonna tell me that one can't blow up an airborne 747 by setting a lighter to a thin trail of jet fuel spilling out of its wing; and that being shot with a handgun doesn't cause bad guys to fly backwards through the air 15-20 feet! Come on! What do you take me for?!

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, they do not explode. They go jetting off like an out of control rocket.

I didn't say that explicitly, but I did think I'd implied it?

re: #150 Kosh's Shadow

The latter, Ms. Anne Elk, has a new theory about the dinosaurs.
And it is a better theory than the "Discovery Institute" probably ever will manage - it is testable.

That they are/were, in reality, GIANT CHICKENS that died out sometime after Harlan Sanders was born.

re: #163 Occasional Reader

So next, you guys are gonna tell me that one can't blow up an airborne 747 by setting a lighter to a thin trail of jet fuel spilling out of its wing; and that being shot with a handgun doesn't cause bad guys to fly backwards through the air 15-20 feet! Come on! What do you take me for?!

So, your position is that "Shoot Em Up" is a documentary?

;-)

re: #47 Baier

there are some great Ts there. I may have to purchase one or two.

re: #139 Ben Hur

First French Military Base Opens in the Persian Gulf

This is what motivates Bin Laden, Al Qaida, etc MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

Gee, I wonder which one is the real motivation for Fwance.

to help meet the strategic challenge from Iran and capture a share of the region's rich arms market for the French defense industry.

re: #160 Alouette

19 terrorist attacks against the U.S. thwarted since 9/11

And what about the guy in North Carolina who drove his SUV into a crowd of Students?

re: #158 Mad Al-Jaffee

Also, spaceships don't make noise and explode when shot in space. So Star Wars was bullshit! :)

Actually if you have a microphone close enough to the exploding spacecraft, while you film the destruction, the release of atmosphere would create a bubble lasting long enough to record the sound of the explosion.

Read that somewhere. Some NASA nerd did some theoretical calculations to prove or disprove sound in space and came up with that.

re: #166 subsailor68

So, your position is that "Shoot Em Up" is a documentary?

;-)

Well I would like to see what Monica Belluci would be willing to do to put the kid thru college.

The sad sick truth is the guy probably believes giving enemies of Islam an early death is an act of charity...

re: #152 kulhwch

I need suggestions for sites/blogs/whatever that the moonbat talking points about Bush, the war, etc., laid out

I know of those one called "little blue softballs", or something like that.

re: #166 subsailor68

So, your position is that "Shoot Em Up" is a documentary?

;-)

I may have to re-enact a few of the scenes with Ms. Bellucci before rendering a judgment on that.

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Yippee Ki-Yay!

re: #159 KenJen

If you haven't spoken to them in ten years I wouldn't bother with them.

Thanks.  Yeah, there's that.  Truthfully, it really wouldn't be a loss.  At this point, I just want to make my way to the metaphorical door and just exit with some aplomb.  'Cause I know if you turn and run they'll chase you.

}:)     [Good thing it's a virtual environment and I don't do this in person!]

re: #164 Dianna

I didn't say that explicitly, but I did think I'd implied it?

"An impressive boom" could make someone think explosion.

65 years in prison should be enough time for him to recruit new members for the cause while we pay tax dollars to keep him in prison.

My sister just sent me this.

The new Erkel

Pretty funny.

re: #171 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well I would like to see what Monica Belluci would be willing to do to put the kid thru college.

Funny how we both immediately thought of that wonderful "the bar is closed" scene.

/

re: #158 Mad Al-Jaffee

Also, spaceships don't make noise and explode when shot in space. So Star Wars was bullshit! :)

Star Wars' space battles were kindergarten theatrics, made to look good on the silver screen. They were beyond bullshit.

re: #180 Occasional Reader

Funny how we both immediately thought of that wonderful "the bar is closed" scene.

/

/wince

re: #174 Occasional Reader

I may have to re-enact a few of the scenes with Ms. Bellucci before rendering a judgment on that.

Oh OR, I'm so sorry. I guess nobody told you that I'm your stunt double on those.

:-)

(Giant grin.)

re: #169 Nevergiveup

And what about the guy in North Carolina who drove his SUV into a crowd of Students?

Again... there was NO! NOSE! PUNCHING!

Sheesh!

re: #179 jorline

My sister just sent me this.

The new Erkel

Pretty funny.

Steve!

re: #152 kulhwch

Get new friends.

Liberal ideology is viciously intolerant of conservative views. It's not a matter of one political affiliation versus another. It's a matter of conflicting life philosophies and levels of maturity.

re: #170 FurryOldGuyJeans

Actually if you have a microphone close enough to the exploding spacecraft, while you film the destruction, the release of atmosphere would create a bubble lasting long enough to record the sound of the explosion.

Read that somewhere. Some NASA nerd did some theoretical calculations to prove or disprove sound in space and came up with that.

That assumes that the speed of sound in the rapidly dispersing leaked atmosphere would be fast enough to compensate for the dispersal of the gas... Think about the boundary conditions... I think you would have to essentially inside the ship to record the sound.

Sorry to be a bummer physicist nerd...

Well, not really sorry :)

re: #186 pink freud

Well said.

re: #179 jorline

My sister just sent me this.

The new Erkel

Pretty funny.

Who is this Erkel? It is Steven Q[uincy] Urkel.

re: #170 FurryOldGuyJeans

Read that somewhere. Some NASA nerd did some theoretical calculations to prove or disprove sound in space and came up with that.

Ha ha. That makes me smile.
:)

re: #186 pink freud

Get new friends.

Liberal ideology is viciously intolerant of conservative views. It's not a matter of one political affiliation versus another. It's a matter of conflicting life philosophies and levels of maturity.

I'm finding that out.  Sheesh, talk about a mess ...

}:)     [Thanks ... ]

World War III has started

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I hope someone tells Obama and Clinton?

re: #181 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Star Wars' space battles were kindergarten theatrics, made to look good on the silver screen. They were beyond bullshit.

They are a direct descendant of the 30's sci-fi serials and Kurosawa films, with a lot of WWII dog fights thrown in for the choreography.

re: #181 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Star Wars' space battles were kindergarten theatrics, made to look good on the silver screen. They were beyond bullshit.

They were based on WWI flying.
In Babylon 5, the spacecraft flew like spacecraft, and it was nice to see.
Especially things like a Starfury rotating in place to shoot behind it, and some of the other moves spacecraft can do that aircraft can't.

re: #187 LudwigVanQuixote

That assumes that the speed of sound in the rapidly dispersing leaked atmosphere would be fast enough to compensate for the dispersal of the gas... Think about the boundary conditions... I think you would have to essentially inside the ship to record the sound.

Sorry to be a bummer physicist nerd...

Well, not really sorry :)

"In space no one can hear you scream" -Alien, now that was a good movie.

re: #184 Occasional Reader

Again... there was NO! NOSE! PUNCHING!

Sheesh!

Is that guy for real or did he forget the sarc tag? Really.

re: #184 Occasional Reader

[Link: www.southwestreviewnews.com...] - we've got punching and an assault (and video that somehow doesn't exist anymore online).

Here's your face punching. After trying to sexually assault a young woman, two Muslim thugs punched the woman in the face.

re: #189 FurryOldGuyJeans

Who is this Erkel? It is Steven Q[uincy] Urkel.

Ha. Remember Erkel's car. I picture O in a Smart car.

Fan starts 'Vote for Manny' site

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

Takes all kind to make the world go round?

re: #196 VegasRick

Is that guy for real or did he forget the sarc tag? Really.

By context - and knowing OR for many years - it's quite clearly meant sarcastically.

re: #186 pink freud

Get new friends.

Liberal ideology is viciously intolerant of conservative views. It's not a matter of one political affiliation versus another. It's a matter of conflicting life philosophies and levels of maturity.

Reminds me of a reality show I was watching last night. Some rocker chick said, "Turns out not all people from the south are stupid rednecks." And her astonishment was genuine.

re: #192 Nevergiveup

World War III has started

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I hope someone tells Obama and Clinton?

Quick! cut more weapons programs!

re: #191 kulhwch

I'm finding that out.  Sheesh, talk about a mess ...

}:)     [Thanks ... ]

The only thing that works with people like this is to capitulate and ingratiate yourself to them to stay in their good graces. The conflict will ratchet up quite quickly. Nothing you say do they want to hear. This liberal tolerance is really a misnomer for "it's my way or the highway". Take the highway.

Friendship is based on respect. Liberals (yep, I know, big brush), don't understand that concept.

re: #195 brookly red

"In space no one can hear you scream" -Alien, now that was a good movie.

Also 2001, one of my favorites. I love the scenes with spacecraft slowly moving, either in silence or to classical music.

re: #193 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are a direct descendant of the 30's sci-fi serials and Kurosawa films, with a lot of WWII dog fights thrown in for the choreography.

I'm still wondering why in a Zero-G environment, using ships capable of VTOL and hovering, they needed to make the trench run.

re: #197 lawhawk

Doh.. posted too soon... the face punching story took place in the UK, not US.

re: #186 pink freud

Get new friends.

Liberal ideology is viciously intolerant of conservative views. It's not a matter of one political affiliation versus another. It's a matter of conflicting life philosophies and levels of maturity.

I think that cuts both ways. My bottom line is that once you start subscribing too much to any political "ism" you have lost touch with reality.

RON PAUL!

See what I mean?

It is probably best to be the sort who asks questions like:

"What is the moral thing to do?"
"Is this true?"
"What works?"
"What is the long term consequence?"

We have far too few who think that way - on both sides - largely because thinking that way means first acknowledging that "isms" that make everything so simple and easy, actually don't have all the answers.

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

They were based on WWI flying.
In Babylon 5, the spacecraft flew like spacecraft, and it was nice to see.
Especially things like a Starfury rotating in place to shoot behind it, and some of the other moves spacecraft can do that aircraft can't.

And NASA "stole" the design because it was the most practical design for a space taxi/loader. Michael J. gave them the design royalty free as long as they were named Starfuries.

re: #187 LudwigVanQuixote

That assumes that the speed of sound in the rapidly dispersing leaked atmosphere would be fast enough to compensate for the dispersal of the gas... Think about the boundary conditions... I think you would have to essentially inside the ship to record the sound.

Sorry to be a bummer physicist nerd...

Well, not really sorry :)

Hi Ludwig! But, but, according to your theory, the recording of the explosion would be destroyed when the ship exploded, as I had to be inside it to make the tape.

And with no tape to prove the sound happened, did it?

(Hey, was that a tree I just heard?)

;-)

re: #187 LudwigVanQuixote

That assumes that the speed of sound in the rapidly dispersing leaked atmosphere would be fast enough to compensate for the dispersal of the gas... Think about the boundary conditions... I think you would have to essentially inside the ship to record the sound.

Sorry to be a bummer physicist nerd...

Well, not really sorry :)

Okay... but what about the Doppler "whoosh" sound you hear as you steer your starship past a planet? That's realistic, right?

/

re: #189 FurryOldGuyJeans

Who is this Erkel? It is Steven Q[uincy] Urkel.

A guy on the TV show "Family Matters" 1989-1998.

Steve Erkel's pic for the show.

Some of my best friends are very liberal, and we get along fine. We just pretty much agreed a long time ago to stop discussing politics when we get together.

re: #193 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

Agreed.

I never saw Babylon 5. Except for the original Star Trek and earlier Star Wars movies, I haven't followed sci-fi since the Sixties.

/damned long story, but my visualization has moved far beyond all that

re: #169 Nevergiveup

And what about the guy in North Carolina who drove his SUV into a crowd of Students?

And the guy who blew himself up on a park bench at OU in Norman, after security stopped him from getting into the stadium during a football game?

re: #198 KenJen

Ha. Remember Erkel's car. I picture O in a Smart car.

Urkel's Car. Yes, it is real.

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

They were based on WWI flying.
In Babylon 5, the spacecraft flew like spacecraft, and it was nice to see.
Especially things like a Starfury rotating in place to shoot behind it, and some of the other moves spacecraft can do that aircraft can't.

Actually, seeing starfuries do that is what got me hooked enough to push through the horrible first season. Don't get me wrong, B5 is still my fav show ever - followed closely by BSG and Firefly, but it took until the season one finale to show it was going to be great.

re: #205 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'm still wondering why in a Zero-G environment, using ships capable of VTOL and hovering, they needed to make the trench run.

One explanation I heard/read was for protection from the Death Star guns. Hard to shoot down into the trench and such.

Just as I don't go to Hollywood for my politics, I don't go to Hollywood for my science.

re: #209 subsailor68

Hi Ludwig! But, but, according to your theory, the recording of the explosion would be destroyed when the ship exploded, as I had to be inside it to make the tape.

And with no tape to prove the sound happened, did it?

(Hey, was that a tree I just heard?)

;-)

That was another point I thought was obvious :)

So anyone else hear that a VAT was even brought up to pay for Health Care?

re: #215 Ward Cleaver

And the guy who blew himself up on a park bench at OU in Norman, after security stopped him from getting into the stadium during a football game?

And wasn't there some kind of incident in London a few years ago? And in Spain? Not the USA, I know, but western countries attacked by terrorists.

re: #211 Occasional Reader

Okay... but what about the Doppler "whoosh" sound you hear as you steer your starship past a planet? That's realistic, right?

/

LOL

re: #205 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'm still wondering why in a Zero-G environment, using ships capable of VTOL and hovering, they needed to make the trench run.

Theatrical (visual) drama

re: #152 kulhwch

Sorry for the OT, but ...

Okay, I've stepped in it now.

At another social site (think facebook, think myspace) I managed to connect with about 8 or so friends that I hadn't spoken to or seen in what must be ten years.  We were always a tight group, and enjoyed each other's company, but when changes involving a divorce and moving, etc., I've managed to lose touch with them and visa versa.  So we're getting reacquainted, etc., and I (last week) forgetfully drop the bomb: I'm now a Republican.

They, apparently, all remained Democrats.  And now there's blood in the water, metaphorically speaking.  Some intense conversations (mostly involving "that bastard W" and so on) over the last week or so, and while I'm managing to hold my own, mostly, I am starting to sink under the waves.

I need suggestions for sites/blogs/whatever that the moonbat talking points about Bush, the war, etc., laid out, and the correct responses.  Scratch that, I know the responses, but I need to lay my hands on facts (dates/names/etc.), often at a moment's notice.  I've gleaned what I can here, and I've Googled until my eyes cross, but I'm still just a few steps ahead of the snapping teeth.  Again, metaphorically.

To say that I was surprized by this is an understatement.  I presumed that if I respected their beliefs and made no sudden moves that I might be able to get past this with them.  Everyone was going to respect everyone else.  Ha.

I'd never seen them feed on their own like this (I used to be one of them, after all), and I was unprepared for this.  It's seeming to be a given that I'm going to have to toss a bunch of these friendships into the high weeds (maybe all of them) and retreat to safer waters.

}:p     [So what sites would you recommend?  And in advance: thanks!]

Ask them what they think about all the mass graves in Iraq including the one where 75 children were buried alive without any bullet wounds? Ask them if they would consider waterboarding if the terrorists had planned dozens of attacks on schools: playgrounds, buses, and classrooms? or would they risk another Beslan? Ask if they are interested in articles on the new Saddam Torture museum? I'm looking for the link to the child story, but here's another good link:

Iraq mass graves: [Link: 74.125.95.132...]

re: #212 jorline

A guy on the TV show "Family Matters" 1989-1998.

Steve Erkel's pic for the show.

PIMF...from

re: #217 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, seeing starfuries do that is what got me hooked enough to push through the horrible first season. Don't get me wrong, B5 is still my fav show ever - followed closely by BSG and Firefly, but it took until the season one finale to show it was going to be great.

Yeah, Season 1 was painful at times. Season 3 was the best I think.

re: #205 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'm still wondering why in a Zero-G environment, using ships capable of VTOL and hovering, they needed to make the trench run.

For the same reason Gandalf didn't just ask one of his giant Eagle buddies to pop over yonder to Mordor, and drop the Ring into Mount Doom.

re: #209 subsailor68

Hi Ludwig! But, but, according to your theory, the recording of the explosion would be destroyed when the ship exploded, as I had to be inside it to make the tape.

And with no tape to prove the sound happened, did it?

(Hey, was that a tree I just heard?)

;-)

Not necessarily true, only the recording device (the mic) is potentially destroyed. The media could be in the same remote location as the camera. ;)

re: #216 Honorary Yooper

Urkel's Car. Yes, it is real.

I thought it was an Isetta (pronounced EYE-zetta).

re: #213 Mad Al-Jaffee

Some of my best friends are very liberal, and we get along fine. We just pretty much agreed a long time ago to stop discussing politics when we get together.

I have a dear friend who is very liberal and that is exactly what we had to do years ago.

re: #223 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Theatrical (visual) drama

So that is why Porkins had to die? BASTARDS!

re: #200 Dianna

By context - and knowing OR for many years - it's quite clearly meant sarcastically.

re: #59 Last Mohican

It was not OR, and some jerkoff updinged it.

re: #220 Nevergiveup

So anyone else hear that a VAT was even brought up to pay for Health Care?

I hope not even this congress is that stupid.

re: #195 brookly red

"In space no one can hear you scream" -Alien, now that was a good movie.

Yes it was, but IMHO Aliens was better...

"Get away from her you BITCH!"

re: #226 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yeah, Season 1 was painful at times. Season 3 was the best I think.

I liked all the seasons of B5. So much of the later story is hidden in plain sight.

re: #231 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

So that is why Porkins had to die? BASTARDS!

I love that the fat guy is named Porkins. I wonder if Lucas came up with the name after casting the character.

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not necessarily true, only the recording device (the mic) is potentially destroyed. The media could be in the same remote location as the camera. ;)

Hi Furry! LOL! Hey, between youse and Ludwig, I's gettin' the feelin' yur pullin' my leg.

re: #221 Mad Al-Jaffee

And wasn't there some kind of incident in London a few years ago? And in Spain? Not the USA, I know, but western countries attacked by terrorists.

They called the case at OU a "suicide", even though the bomb was packed with shrapnel, and the guy (white guy) had been attending the campus mosque.

re: #220 Nevergiveup

I saw the story earlier and I don't think there's much to it. It seemed mostly based on old information. I'm sure VAT proposals have been floating around for a long time.

re: #232 VegasRick

It was not OR, and some jerkoff updinged it.

Are you talking about the original article in The Nation?

Hell, no, Dreyfuss didn't mean it sarcastically. He is deadly serious about every word.

re: #212 jorline

A guy on the TV show "Family Matters" 1989-1998.

Steve Erkel's pic for the show.

That would make a good SNL parody of Obama. I know. Not gonna happen.

re: #217 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually, seeing starfuries do that is what got me hooked enough to push through the horrible first season. Don't get me wrong, B5 is still my fav show ever - followed closely by BSG and Firefly, but it took until the season one finale to show it was going to be great.

B5 did start slowly, but there were indications in Season 1 that it was more than it seemed.
As for BSG, that nihilistic ending turned me off to anything in the future from "the creators of Battlestar Oh Frak it, let's just die off"

re: #229 Ward Cleaver

I thought it was an Isetta (pronounced EYE-zetta).

Isettas were built by a number of companies under license from Iso. BMW was one of those that did so. BMW also modified the design for their engines, and lengthened it for the BMW 600, basically a four seat Isetta. Steve Urkel's car was one of the BMW Isettas.

re: #224 DistantThunder

From Americanthinker.com:

How to talk to a liberal if you really want to change his mind

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

re: #241 KenJen

That would make a good SNL parody of Obama. I know. Not gonna happen.

There's nothing funny about The One. He who must not be parodied.

re: #237 subsailor68

Hi Furry! LOL! Hey, between youse and Ludwig, I's gettin' the feelin' yur pullin' my leg.

Actually no. There was some guy at NASA that spent years doing research into the stuff.

re: #233 Dianna

I hope not even this congress is that stupid.

or that evil...

re: #174 Occasional Reader

I may have to re-enact a few of the scenes with Ms. Bellucci before rendering a judgment on that.

Oh..HI OR! I read today your super model girl..miss lima is preggy..
So where have you been the last couple months? huh?
:)

re: #233 Dianna

I hope not even this congress is that stupid.

Well maybe, maybe not, but how are we ever gonna pay for Obama's socialistic programs?

re: #1 FurryOldGuyJeans

What? No 72 virgins?!?

That's almost one a year.

re: #243 Honorary Yooper

Isettas were built by a number of companies under license from Iso. BMW was one of those that did so. BMW also modified the design for their engines, and lengthened it for the BMW 600, basically a four seat Isetta. Steve Urkel's car was one of the BMW Isettas.

There were dome four-wheeled Isettas, too, with the rear wheels close together.

re: #249 HoosierHoops

Oh..HI OR! I read today your super model girl..miss lima is preggy..
So where have you been the last couple months? huh?
:)

Crying in the corner?

/ducking

re: #239 Killgore Trout

I saw the story earlier and I don't think there's much to it. It seemed mostly based on old information. I'm sure VAT proposals have been floating around for a long time.

Not so sure. Taxing soda and beer is a step in that direction.

re: #226 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Yeah, Season 1 was painful at times. Season 3 was the best I think.

That's a tough call for me... Do I prefer the grand story arch of the Shadow war with all of it's mysticism and space opera of season three, or do I prefer the gritty and painful liberation of Earth from season four? I truly can't argue with you, but if someone said they liked season four best, I could not argue with them either.