Fox Nation Goes Nirther

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At the Fox Nation website, unrestrained Nirth Certifikit insanity runs rampant in the comments for a video of Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs answering a question from a Nirther journalist (not sure who it is): Should Obama Release Birth Certificate? Or Is This Old News? | The FOX Nation.

688 comments as we write this, and you will not believe some of them.

c.brightcove.com

Of course, LGF is way ahead of the curve. We’ve known what became of Obama’s nirth certifikit for a long time:

UPDATE at 5/28/09 6:21:10 pm:

The “journalist” who asked the question is Lester Kinsolving, White House correspondent for the main Nirther media outlet, World Net Daily.

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876 comments

1 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:28:49pm

fox news = parody of itself.

2 Guanxi88  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:29:24pm

So, Reason wins a battle in Texas, but then has Fox go whacky? Is there some sort of steady-state theory to explain why lunacy always appears to be constant?

3 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:32:12pm

The nation laughs at them.

4 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:32:45pm

Itsss trues I tellss you. Beingss fromss the planet Bullshit toldss me soss.

5 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:33:23pm

Nirthers, Troofers, and Paulians!
OH MY!

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:33:58pm

Anyone know who asked that stupid question?

7 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:34:51pm

Was it a Fox correspondent or was he from Weird Nut Drooly?

8 snowcrash  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:35:05pm

Is this FoxNews Nation a new blog community from Fox News? The usual addy is Foxnews.com.

9 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:35:25pm

re: #2 Guanxi88

It is interesting to watch. There are people who are always crazy like the Tuthers and Alex Jones who in the past have aligned themselves with the crazy left, showing up at peace marches, etc. Now that the right has gone crazy they're moving to the right and showing up on Fox News and Tea Parties. They just go wherever it's craziest.

10 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:36:15pm

re: #7 Charles

Was it a Fox correspondent or was he from Weird Nut Drooly?

Weird Nut got a WH press pass?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

11 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:37:20pm

re: #6 Charles

At about :55 he says, "it's on the internet, Lester."
So we have a first name.

12 kingkenrod  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:37:57pm

Lester Kinsolving asked the question

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

13 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:38:05pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

At about :55 he says, "it's on the internet, Lester."
So we have a first name.

Sure he didn't say Uncle Fester?

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14 anchors_aweigh  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:38:52pm

nirth certificate = ono grind

15 lawhawk  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:39:02pm

Beats me, but by the same token, FoxNews is reporting on the right wing bloggers questioning the Chrysler closures and they didn't find any politics were involved. Quoted Doug Ross and Malkin, who said while there may be nothing there, keep digging.

16 wrenchwench  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:39:17pm

re: #12 kingkenrod

Lester Kinsolving asked the question

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

So Charles nailed it in #7.

17 zombie  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:39:24pm

Glug.

Unbeknownst to me, my old "Up Your Alley Fair" report has been making serious waves this last week in San Francisco power circles, and has caused a police crackdown on the fair this year! People are furious at me! It's even hit various news sites:

No More Public Sex at Up Your Alley Fair

Bad news for leather folks who wanted to get a blow job at this year's Up Your Alley Fair: The event organizers and the police are teaming up to stamp your public lovin' out.

A controversy has been simmering in the gay press and the city's leather community ever since the Bay Area Reporter wrote that two people have lodged complaints with the Office of Citizens Complaints about the 14 police officers at last year's festival for not enforcing public indecency laws. The Up Your Alley Fair, which is considered by leather folks to be the more local, less commercial cousin to the giant Folsom Street Fair in the fall, will be held on July 26 in SoMA's Dore Alley.

At a hearing on street closures in April, police demanded that the festival organizers come up with a stricter security plan to ward off the public sex this year. They referenced photos of last year's event posted anonymously on the Web site zombietime.com, depicting several men giving and receiving blow jobs, and another dude ejaculating from a second-story window onto the crowd below. Many of the photos show San Francisco police officers within view of the action.
...
Moshoyannis said he was blindsided at the April hearing when he was told their original security plan wasn't going to cut it this year. ...

So why were the police ignoring all the oral sex? Police Lieutenant Nicole Greely, who oversees special events, said that the cops hadn't warned the festival organizers prior to the day of the festival: "We don't like to just enforce laws without an education plan beforehand. At Bay to Breakers, if we'd just go out and tell everyone no kegs and took everyone's kegs" it would make for bad public relations.

Moshoyannis said he's seen the internet photos, and called the anonymous photographer "a homophobic coward. If you want to criticize someone or somebody's community, at least attach your name to it ... If you don't identify as part of my community, you should be prepared for the expression of the leather community or don't come."

Yet even some members of the community are complaining as well. Michael Hughes of San Francisco wrote a letter to the editor of the B.A.R. identifying himself as "a Castro merchant for nearly five years, as well as a gay man who contributes financially to the causes" that the fair supports. He wrote that he'd lodged complaints with the mayor's office, Supervisor Bevan Dufty, and Greely.

Then there's this:

Police warn of coming crackdown on lewd behavior at San Francisco street fair

The San Francisco Police Department says it will no longer tolerate lewd behavior – including public sex acts and nudity – at a July street fair sponsored by Folsom Street Events...

The event in question, the Up Your Alley Fair, is scheduled for Sunday, July 26... Last year’s event resulted in multiple complaints to the Office of Citizen Complaints...

An anonymous photographer provided police with “photos of men performing oral sex, urinating in public, and masturbating from second floor windows overlooking the fair,” reported the Bay Area Reporter...
The photos were also posted on a web site, [Link: www.zombietime.com......]
."The fair promoters are the ones who have to take charge; this is their event,” San Francisco Police Lt. Nicole M. Greely told the Reporter. “If they don't run it properly, they will not be having it again."

18 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:39:27pm

Les Kinsolving of WND asked the question.

19 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:39:32pm

This is getting embarrassing.

20 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:39:33pm

re: #6 Charles

He's from WND

Obama mouthpiece laughs off birth certificate request

When asked by WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving why the president, who has pledged transparency in his administration, would not release his long-form birth certificate to establish his constitutional eligibility for office, spokesman Robert Gibbs guffawed in unison with members of the Washington press corps about the concerns of 400,000 petitioners who have demanded it
21 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:39:54pm

re: #12 kingkenrod

Lester Kinsolving asked the question

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

World Nut....

22 pegcity  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:40:03pm

are they going to be going on about this in 7 years from now, probably

23 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:40:28pm

re: #12 kingkenrod

Quick draw. You beat me.

24 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:40:33pm

Kinsolving?

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:40:49pm

re: #17 zombie

Yay.

26 pegcity  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:41:10pm

re: #17 zombie

Zombie, doing the job of 10000 deadbeat reporters

27 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:41:13pm

Currently on the Fox Nation home page, this lovely juxtaposition of jingoistic imagery:

Image: 20090528FoxNationHome.jpg

28 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:42:23pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

So Charles nailed it in #7.

Yep. Weird Nut Drooly has a White House correspondent. Isn't that lovely.

29 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:42:58pm

re: #27 Charles

That's a little creepy. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that this is where everything is headed.

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:43:10pm

re: #28 Charles

HuffPo does too. Can we elect someone from LGF?

31 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:43:25pm

re: #17 zombie

....homophobic coward.....

HAHAHAHA! That's rich.

Since when posting pictures of an event; criticism?

32 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:43:44pm

re: #28 Charles

Yep. Weird Nut Drooly has a White House correspondent. Isn't that lovely.

Maybe they'll ask the secret muslim question next time.

33 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:43:58pm

What are the conspiracy theorists saying about those contemporary birth announcements in the Honolulu papers?

34 LGoPs  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:44:12pm

re: #28 Charles

Yep. Weird Nut Drooly has a White House correspondent. Isn't that lovely.

He's been around for a while. I can't remember how long but I've heard that name before.

35 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:44:16pm

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HuffPo does too. Can we elect someone from LGF?

OR, he lives in DC.

36 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:44:24pm

re: #27 Charles

...And that right under a pic of Sotomayor with the headline, "She Wants to Ban Guns"

37 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:44:37pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

fox news = parody of itself.

Listen, I'm not trying to start a fight here, or pick on you, or anything, really, but which News Organizations do you recommend? I just don't see how you can evaluate an organization of that size, essentially condemning them as worthless. You seem to be advocating censorship, or at least joining in the social pressure generated on the left to never listen to them. Do you seriously think some other News Organization is consistently more reliable?

38 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:44:39pm

re: #7 Charles

Was it a Fox correspondent or was he from Weird Nut Drooly?

I believe that is Lester Kinsolving, of WND.

39 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:44:40pm

re: #33 jaunte

What are the conspiracy theorists saying about those contemporary birth announcements in the Honolulu papers?

That the CIA planted them. At least- that was the theory promoted by pamela geller.

40 Truck Monkey  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:44:50pm

Good. It's about time they get to the bottom of the Birth Certificate thing. When the Pillsbury DoughGibbs comes up with the answer then maybe the correspondent from Ssalta Sgurhs can ask the 'secret muslim' question!

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41 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:44:54pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

That's a little creepy.

More than a little.

42 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:45:11pm

re: #33 jaunte

What are the conspiracy theorists saying about those contemporary birth announcements in the Honolulu papers?

Axelrod went back in time and planted them.

43 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:45:20pm

re: #35 jcm

OR, he lives in DC.

But OR is... is... is... nice.

44 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:46:19pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

and the headlines right below....

* Openly Gay Teen Voted Prom Queen at L.A. High School
* Study: More Than 1 in 5 Children in U.S. Are Latino
* Was Reporter Dragged from Press Pool for Supporting Traditional Marriage?
* Episcopal Church Fires 61 Priests Over Gay Stance


Racism, homophobia, and conspiracy theories.

45 Truck Monkey  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:46:22pm

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HuffPo does too. Can we elect someone from LGF?

I'LL DO IT! I live close and I'll do it for Metro fare and lunch money. Hell, you don't even have to buy me a suit!

46 Bloodnok  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:46:37pm

re: #37 legalpad

Listen, I'm not trying to start a fight here, or pick on you, or anything, really, but which News Organizations do you recommend? I just don't see how you can evaluate an organization of that size, essentially condemning them as worthless. You seem to be advocating censorship, or at least joining in the social pressure generated on the left to never listen to them. Do you seriously think some other News Organization is consistently more reliable?

Demanding standards and integrity is NOT advocating censorship.

47 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:46:39pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Well, it's a relief that they have a time machine. Might have to use it later.

48 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:47:03pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

...And that right under a pic of Sotomayor with the headline, "She Wants to Ban Guns"

She has anti- 2nd Amend statements on record.
She probably voted on Heller just like Ginsberg, but she can't ban guns. The court can rule on laws with respect to the 2nd.

The headline is a tad overwrought, and I'm as bitter and clingy as they come.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:47:55pm

Was just thinking, if I were the President, I wouldn't "prove" it either. I'd enjoy watching these asshats run in circles for four years!

50 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:47:56pm

re: #37 legalpad

Listen, I'm not trying to start a fight here, or pick on you, or anything, really, but which News Organizations do you recommend?

I don't recommend any of them.

You seem to be advocating censorship, or at least joining in the social pressure generated on the left to never listen to them.

I'm not advocating censorship in the slightest. I choose not to watch cable news.

Do you seriously think some other News Organization is consistently more reliable?

No. Which is why I distrust them all. You really think fox is above the same criticisms of distortions that the others have? If so- what makes you think that?

51 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:48:02pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

And just below that a link titled "NBC News: No White Men Qualified for Supreme Court?!". Buchanan talking about anti-white discrimination.

52 Racer X  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:48:30pm

re: #17 zombie

* This has been a public service announcement from Zombietime.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:49:55pm

Bed. Yawn. Nod.

54 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:50:40pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was just thinking, if I were the President, I wouldn't "prove" it either. I'd enjoy watching these asshats run in circles for four years!

What's the real story on the "million dollars" people are claiming Obama has spent to conceal the true certfikit?

55 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:50:56pm

re: #48 jcm

She has anti- 2nd Amend statements on record.
She probably voted on Heller just like Ginsberg, but she can't ban guns. The court can rule on laws with respect to the 2nd.

The headline is a tad overwrought, and I'm as bitter and clingy as they come.

Actually the case I heard about is a good thing. Her ruling only stated that the Federal goverment didn't have the right to micro-manage State law.

56 pegcity  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:51:32pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

And just below that a link titled "NBC News: No White Men Qualified for Supreme Court?!". Buchanan talking about anti-white discrimination.

and then he goes on to claim the holocaust is a hoax and Israel controls America's foreign policy

57 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:52:17pm

If you want some real fun, read the comments to the Fox New thread about the Confederate flag. Yikes!

58 jhrhv  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:52:55pm

re: #37 legalpad

Fox threw itself under the bus when Obama won the election. I'm not sure if their heads exploded before or after. Lately it's been all Paulins, Alex Jones & Glen Beck nuttery with a little nirth on top.

Sorry Fox can't be taken seriously anymore. They are no more then a comedy / variety show station now.

59 ladycatnip  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:53:14pm

#15 lawhawk

Beats me, but by the same token, FoxNews is reporting on the right wing bloggers questioning the Chrysler closures and they didn't find any politics were involved. Quoted Doug Ross and Malkin, who said while there may be nothing there, keep digging.

I posted this editorial from the SF Examiner on another thread - I think it's premature to call this one until more facts are in, but it's looking dicey to me.

That said, when multiple dealers who have been closed are found to have contributed millions to Republicans and mere hundreds to Obama, the serious number-crunching cannot be completed too soon.

Bellavia zeroed in on the fundamental problem with Obama’s takeover of two of Detroit Big Three — something is terribly wrong when the government tells corporations who to hire and fire, what products to sell, and who will be their dealers.

“What is the next task force? Shoe stores? Pizzerias?” Bellavia said. “The problem we have is the free enterprise system is not run by the government, it’s run by business entrepreneurs. The dealers themselves will decide if it’s not productive to go forward.”

In view of these facts, when is the mainstream media going to challenge Obama to explain why he thinks he can do a better job running car companies than can the shareholders, bondholders and dealers? And where in the Constitution does it say the president has such authority in the first place?

More to the point, when is the mainstream media going to start calling what Obama is doing what it is, which at the very least is a crude kind of South American, crony statism. Given the Chicago roots of Obama and his chief of staff, the phrase used recently by The Examiner’s Michael Barone is probably most accurate — “gangster government.

Not bad coming from San Francisco. IMO the jury's still out on this one.

60 zombie  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:53:32pm

re: #31 jcm

....homophobic coward.....

HAHAHAHA! That's rich.

Since when posting pictures of an event; criticism?

Of course, the only reason they desperately want to know my name is so they can publicly harrass and threaten me (as I get via email all the time). Sorry, I'll endure the taunts of "coward" rather than have my life ruined.

As for the "homophobic" part: I voted in favor of gay marriage, as I point out in my latest report (posted an hour ago). What more do they want from me? I'm not homophobic in the slightest; I'm just a little antsy about having to dodge semen flying through the air. Is that so much to ask?

61 snowcrash  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:53:33pm

This Fox "Nation" web site is much more sensationalist than the Fox News site. They are not the same.

62 dapperdave  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:53:49pm

The guy won the election, these people just need to get over it, I mean after all if they get b.o. out of office (impossible at this point) on a nirth certificate techno then who are we stuck with? Biden? These kooks really need to get a life!

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:53:50pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Redneck sez.....

I submit to you that a child was safer on a southern plantation in 1850 than in today's inner cities.
65 kansas  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:54:39pm

You gotta wonder who drags this shit up and why. Today I saw that Obama says health care reform this year or never. So bring up this shit, distract everyone, fight Sotomayor in a losing battle anyway, and then push through a government run program that will completely bankrupt the country by the end of year. Wonderful.

66 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:55:37pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

another good one....

Africans not only sell their neighbors, they also mass murder them and rape them.
67 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:56:12pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was just thinking, if I were the President, I wouldn't "prove" it either. I'd enjoy watching these asshats run in circles for four years!

Especially when the proof is right in front of them....
Stanley Anne Dunham.

68 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:57:01pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

And a deep political thinker:

If they want something to whine about, lets form a NAAWP. Not a joke. I'm serious.
69 Attaboid  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:57:05pm

Hey Killgore! you seem to like talking to yourself. What's up with that?

70 pegcity  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:57:16pm

re: #65 kansas

Im Canadian and i went to the Mayo, it was amazing, too bad, once its Obamaized it will turn into another mismanaged money pit.

71 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:57:17pm

re: #60 zombie

Of course, the only reason they desperately want to know my name is so they can publicly harrass and threaten me (as I get via email all the time). Sorry, I'll endure the taunts of "coward" rather than have my life ruined.

As for the "homophobic" part: I voted in favor of gay marriage, as I point out in my latest report (posted an hour ago). What more do they want from me? I'm not homophobic in the slightest; I'm just a little antsy about having to dodge semen flying through the air. Is that so much to ask?

You're anything but a coward.....

72 ladycatnip  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:57:27pm

#65 kansas

Whatever happened to Pelosi's accusations that the CIA lied, that the head of the CIA (another dem) is accusing her of lying and that she knew about the waterboarding? Headlines are here one day, gone the next

73 VioletTiger  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:57:50pm

So who asked the question? I didn't know there were Nirther reporters. Geez, they don't give up do they?

74 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:57:57pm

re: #37 legalpad

Listen, I'm not trying to start a fight here, or pick on you, or anything, really, but which News Organizations do you recommend? I just don't see how you can evaluate an organization of that size, essentially condemning them as worthless. You seem to be advocating censorship, or at least joining in the social pressure generated on the left to never listen to them. Do you seriously think some other News Organization is consistently more reliable?

No censors on board, here, that I've ever seen. Just a lot of folks who value accuracy above ideology, and spend part of their time fact-checking stories from all sides. Don't you want to know, if a source comes up lacking as often as Fox does? Shouldn't you want to know?

If you've found faults in our fact-checking, I'm open to hearing them.

75 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:58:15pm

Your friendly bookie here.. What is the over/under on when the fringe Right wing demands to see Judge Sotomayor's Birth Certificate?
10 days folks..place dem bets..

76 lawhawk  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:58:17pm

And let's not forget that the trooferism and nirtherism is bipartisan.

There are nutters all across the political spectrum, and these kinds of issues bring 'em out in spades.

77 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:58:35pm

re: #69 Attaboid

Sometimes nobody else will do it for me.

78 zombie  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:59:03pm

re: #65 kansas

You gotta wonder who drags this shit up and why. Today I saw that Obama says health care reform this year or never. So bring up this shit, distract everyone, fight Sotomayor in a losing battle anyway, and then push through a government run program that will completely bankrupt the country by the end of year. Wonderful.

I don't think we need to worry about Obama succeeding with health care "reform". Remember Hillary crashing and burning in 1993? It wasn't a public outcrty that stopped socialized medicine dead in its tracks: It was the medical associations and the pharmaceutical industry. Combined, they have more money than God, and they want to keep it it that way. They (doctors, pharma, HMOs, AMA, etc.) will throw every imaginable monkey wrench into Obama's plans, just as they did with Hillary; and it will go down in flames again. We just have to sit back and watch the show.

Obama's just doing it so he can say "At least I tried. Don't blame me."

79 solomonpanting  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:59:05pm

re: #72 ladycatnip

#65 kansas

Whatever happened to Pelosi's accusations that the CIA lied, that the head of the CIA (another dem) is accusing her of lying and that she knew about the waterboarding? Headlines are here one day, gone the next

That story is being buried under the swine flu PANDEMIC.

80 screaming_eagle  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:59:07pm

re: #72 ladycatnip

#65 kansas

Whatever happened to Pelosi's accusations that the CIA lied, that the head of the CIA (another dem) is accusing her of lying and that she knew about the waterboarding? Headlines are here one day, gone the next


I hear that. Just imagine if North Korea blew up a nuke or tested long range missles.

81 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 5:59:12pm

re: #72 ladycatnip

#65 kansas

Whatever happened to Pelosi's accusations that the CIA lied, that the head of the CIA (another dem) is accusing her of lying and that she knew about the waterboarding? Headlines are here one day, gone the next

Last I heard she was "standing by" all of her statements, and didn't want to say anything more about them.

82 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:00:49pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

I've been looking through the comments at foxnation.com, and I don't believe what they're allowing to be posted.

83 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:01:11pm

re: #81 jaunte

Last I heard she was "standing by" all of her statements, and didn't want to say anything more about them.

I'm *blink blink* stand *blink blink* ing *blink blink* by *blink blink* my *blink blink* state *blink blink* ment. *blink blink*

FIFY

84 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:01:41pm

wow; that FAUX news guy is a regular bob woodward................./

85 pegcity  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:02:04pm

re: #78 zombie

But Obama is the Messiah, he can move mountains just by speaking.

86 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:03:40pm

What is "fox nation"?

I could not find a link to it at foxnews.com

87 pegcity  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:06:08pm
That would be an interesting sight to see, him being taken away by the military, because he refuses to leave office.

Oh please, god what a bunch of Mental masturbation

88 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:06:25pm

re: #78 zombie

I don't think we need to worry about Obama succeeding with health care "reform". Remember Hillary crashing and burning in 1993? It wasn't a public outcrty that stopped socialized medicine dead in its tracks: It was the medical associations and the pharmaceutical industry. Combined, they have more money than God, and they want to keep it it that way. They (doctors, pharma, HMOs, AMA, etc.) will throw every imaginable monkey wrench into Obama's plans, just as they did with Hillary; and it will go down in flames again. We just have to sit back and watch the show.

Obama's just doing it so he can say "At least I tried. Don't blame me."

The deal this time is the POTUS has the insurance companies, doctors and the rest on his side. The insurance companies came on board to protect their turf.

89 LGoPs  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:07:00pm

re: #72 ladycatnip

#65 kansas

Whatever happened to Pelosi's accusations that the CIA lied, that the head of the CIA (another dem) is accusing her of lying and that she knew about the waterboarding? Headlines are here one day, gone the next

If you're a democrat you never have to answer uncomfortable questions.......

90 pegcity  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:07:17pm

re: #88 avanti

he'll sick his ACORN mob on anyone who doesn't comply

91 shiplord kirel  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:07:32pm

re: #82 Charles

I've been looking through the comments at foxnation.com, and I don't believe what they're allowing to be posted.

I think our shotgun wedding with the religious right is due for a final divorce decree.

92 LGoPs  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:07:38pm

re: #81 jaunte

Last I heard she was "standing by" all of her statements, and didn't want to say anything more about them.

Like a republican would get away with that.
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93 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:08:21pm

Fox Nation comments...
For eight years we listened to crybabies from the left whine about Bush stealing Gore's Presidency. Don't tell me the Right is this dumb too.

94 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:09:53pm

re: #72 ladycatnip

#65 kansas

Whatever happened to Pelosi's accusations that the CIA lied, that the head of the CIA (another dem) is accusing her of lying and that she knew about the waterboarding? Headlines are here one day, gone the next

She's digging that hole to China.

95 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:10:20pm

re: #82 Charles

I read that "Fox 'News'" which apparently owns the "Fox Nation" website wants to have "Fox Nation" be a "mix between the Huffington Post and Drudge". "Fox Nation" appears to be much, much worse though...

96 zombie  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:10:45pm

OT

Has anybody seen Google's latest "game-changing" product, called "Wave"?

Looks really cool. But I can't tell if it is a standalone app or a "web-based app" i.e. a web site one goes to.

And is there a beta version we can try out? I agree that communications are fractured on the Web. This could be big, if done right.

Google is uniting instant messaging, e-mail and document collaboration into a new product with the audacious goal of changing how people communicate online.

Wave, as the product is called, erodes the distinction between the various ways people keep in touch on the Web and eliminates the need to use multiple tools to do so.

Google previewed Wave, a free product, at its annual developers conference in San Francisco. but won't make Wave available to the public until sometime later this year. Additionally, Google intends to incorporate some of Wave's features into its existing products like e-mail and documents.

Wave's users invite others to join their a "wave" about a particular topic so that they can follow the thread of messages, much like a bulletin board. Everyone on the list can see individual messages as they're being typed, letter by letter, like Instant messaging taken to the extreme, to speed up the conversation (there's an option to turn off the real-time feature, which will no doubt be handy for people often revise what they write before hitting send.)

Users can drag and drop photos and maps onto the waves to make them immediately visible to others. They can also edit documents together, potentially appealing to workers who are collaborating together on a project and who would otherwise use wikis.

Wave is targeted at both consumers, for communicating with family and friends, and businesses.

97 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:11:05pm

re: #86 reine.de.tout

What is "fox nation"?

I could not find a link to it at foxnews.com

Welcome to the FOX Nation

98 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:12:03pm

lol fox news

99 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:12:13pm

re: #46 Bloodnok

Demanding standards and integrity is NOT advocating censorship.

Well, I don't say that it is. I tried to find out what they were advocating with regard to Fox and got no response before. They didn't say anything about standards or integrity. What I would also ask you is if you think Fox is the only News Organization that needs improvement in this area as the statement, "Fox Sucks", for example, might indicate.

100 neocon hippie  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:12:24pm

Any examples of some out there comments on The Fox Nation? There are many threads and a lot to sift through.

101 KingKenrod  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:12:39pm

re: #96 zombie

OT

Has anybody seen Google's latest "game-changing" product, called "Wave"?

Looks really cool. But I can't tell if it is a standalone app or a "web-based app" i.e. a web site one goes to.

And is there a beta version we can try out? I agree that communications are fractured on the Web. This could be big, if done right.

It looks like an app based on Chrome.

[Link: wave.google.com...]

102 1SG(ret)  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:12:55pm

re: #91 shiplord kirel

I'm on the right and Religious, does that mean your tent isn't big enough for me now?

103 shiplord kirel  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:13:03pm

What are the Nirthers trying to accomplish anyway? In the extremely unlikely event they can force Obama out of office, Joe Biden will become POTUS. Is that to anyone's advantage?

104 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:13:04pm

re: #86 reine.de.tout

From the "Our Purpose" page:

The Fox Nation is for those committed to the core principles of tolerance, open debate, civil discourse--and fair and balanced coverage of the news.[Link: www.thefoxnation.com...]

They're pretty flexible about some of those principles.

105 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:13:12pm

re: #82 Charles BUT it is all true, michelle malkin says so........wait, that was something about a conspiracy to close down republican owned car dealerships; never mind........./

106 zombie  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:13:43pm

re: #88 avanti

The deal this time is the POTUS has the insurance companies, doctors and the rest on his side. The insurance companies came on board to protect their turf.

I'll believe it when I see it.

The U.S. government, as the "single payer," can't even being to afford paying doctor fees and hospital fees as they are currently structured. Either IRS taxes will have to go up 30% on every taxpayer, or doctors and medical companies will have to take a big hit on their salaries.

Since a 30% tax hike is completely out of the question, and the doctors are not going to want to cut their income by half -- the plan looks doomed.

107 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:13:52pm

re: #74 ShanghaiEd

No censors on board, here, that I've ever seen. Just a lot of folks who value accuracy above ideology, and spend part of their time fact-checking stories from all sides. Don't you want to know, if a source comes up lacking as often as Fox does? Shouldn't you want to know?

If you've found faults in our fact-checking, I'm open to hearing them.

I have not challenged that Fox has erred. I am asking why they are singled out as if they are the only ones who have, or have done so significantly more.

108 pegcity  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:13:53pm

re: #105 gtrs

and she even said listen guys we need to look deeper into this and not go nuts just yet

109 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:14:07pm

re: #99 legalpad

I DID respond to you.

110 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:14:19pm

re: #103 shiplord kirel

They have no plan.

111 KingKenrod  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:14:29pm

re: #97 Charles

Welcome to the FOX Nation

It looks like a slicker version of Free Republic to me.

112 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:14:44pm

re: #107 legalpad

I have not challenged that Fox has erred. I am asking why they are singled out as if they are the only ones who have, or have done so significantly more.

Maybe because people on the right think fox news' shit doesn't stink?

113 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:15:03pm

re: #106 zombie

I'll believe it when I see it.

The U.S. government, as the "single payer," can't even being to afford paying doctor fees and hospital fees as they are currently structured. Either IRS taxes will have to go up 30% on every taxpayer, or doctors and medical companies will have to take a big hit on their salaries.

Since a 30% tax hike is completely out of the question, and the doctors are not going to want to cut their income by half -- the plan looks doomed.

HUSH! I don't think a 30% tax hike would bother 0bama a bit....

114 researchok  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:15:07pm

Birth certificates- Just what the GOP needs to focus on.

115 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:15:40pm

re: #100 neocon hippie

Any examples of some out there comments on The Fox Nation? There are many threads and a lot to sift through.

These ones are on topic:

[Link: www.thefoxnation.com...]

116 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:16:03pm

re: #97 Charles

Welcome to the FOX Nation

ew.
so does indeed have a connection to FoxNews.
yech.

117 Lincolntf  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:16:18pm

re: #81 jaunte

How does one "stand by" blatantly conflicting statements?
Any objective reading of or listening to her statements regarding what she knew, when she knew it, what she said, why she said it would indicate that she's a bald-faced liar clinging to power on the coattails of a complicit media and an untouchable President.
Lucky for her, the Sovietization of the MSM is complete and she happens to be on the same side as General Secretary Obama.

118 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:16:49pm

It looks like Fox is now courting the White Pride movement. Tea Party organizers and bloggers ignored the ADL press release and chose not to denounce White Nationalists recruiting at Tea Parties. This is all going to a very bad place.

119 Bloodnok  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:17:17pm

re: #99 legalpad

Well, I don't say that it is. I tried to find out what they were advocating with regard to Fox and got no response before. They didn't say anything about standards or integrity. What I would also ask you is if you think Fox is the only News Organization that needs improvement in this area as the statement, "Fox Sucks", for example, might indicate.

Who is advocating anything? I see observations. People can make of Fox News what they will. Watch it or not watch it. Trust it or not trust it. But things like this need to be brought to the surface to be analyzed critically.

No, Fox News is not the only outlet that requires "improvement" in standards or integrity. But it is no better or worse than CBS, NBC, NPR. I choose not to watch any of them.

120 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:18:02pm

re: #117 Lincolntf

Not just bald faced, but dumb and on the record.

121 Lincolntf  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:19:04pm

re: #120 jaunte

And she'll get away with it forever. Absolutely disgusting.

122 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:19:14pm

My favorite excerpt, so far, from the FoxNation comments:

I, too, agree the title is misleading, but good Lord... SO WHAT?! No different than MSM misleading the public the other way... Get a drink and chill!

123 spudly  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:19:45pm

The Obama Admin must be loving this. Heck, if they're smart, they will have their own people add more rumors to the nirthers.

Every moment spent on this is another moment NOT spent on them ignoring nuclear and near-nuclear lunatics, the Jihad, unrestrained spending, etc, ad nauseum. They couldn't make this kind of distraction up if they tried.

WTG, nirther morons.

124 Gus  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:20:12pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

He's from WND

Obama mouthpiece laughs off birth certificate request

They're allowed to be near the White House?

//

125 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:20:27pm

re: #115 unrealizedviewpoint

These ones are on topic:

[Link: www.thefoxnation.com...]

Is supposed to be intelligent discourse?

126 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:20:35pm

Foxnation discovers U.S. contains Latino (or possibly Hispanic) people:

Study: More Than 1 in 5 Children in U.S. Are Latino

More than one in five of all children in the United States are Hispanic – a significant jump from 29 years ago when only about 9 percent of children were Latino, according to a Pew Hispanic report released today.
[Link: www.thefoxnation.com...]

127 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:20:44pm

re: #114 researchok
but you do know that faux news guy has an on-line petition with over 400,000 fauxoids who just know that PRESIDENT OBAMA was born on mars or some such other planet........./

128 mikalm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:20:53pm
129 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:21:02pm

re: #58 jhrhv

Fox threw itself under the bus when Obama won the election. I'm not sure if their heads exploded before or after. Lately it's been all Paulins, Alex Jones & Glen Beck nuttery with a little nirth on top.

Sorry Fox can't be taken seriously anymore. They are no more then a comedy / variety show station now.

I guess I don't watch Glen Beck, etc.. The brief time I have flicked by I found him, ah, "imprecise" to say the least, and a few others like him. But I had similar experiences with some of the other channels. The main thing I am wondering is which News Organization can be taken seriously? Why is only Fox identified with it's craziest people, and none of the others?

The thing I had liked about them was who they would allow on, without trying to ambush them. Many of the others seemed to absolutely exclude credible representatives of certain views, or edited many of their stories so much that the actual events could hardly be recognized.

130 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:21:46pm

re: #88 avanti

The deal this time is the POTUS has the insurance companies, doctors and the rest on his side. The insurance companies came on board to protect their turf.

Perhaps the doctors/insurance companies etc might be taking a lesson from how the O' is handling the car industry?

131 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:21:51pm

re: #123 spudly

I think many of the stories that make the right embarrass themselves are leaked by lefties. I'm starting to get a feel for what will make them flip out and it's becoming pretty predictable. It's not hard to do.

132 spudly  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:22:10pm

To be fair, there are total nutjobs on other networks, too (Olberman, etc) with followers who are every bit as nutty.

133 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:22:54pm

re: #82 Charles

I've been looking through the comments at foxnation.com, and I don't believe what they're allowing to be posted.

I spent a moment reading some of the comments on the nirther section and I had a hard time not thinking I had been served some random page from Daily Kos dealing with Bush.

134 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:23:08pm

re: #129 legalpad

I guess I don't watch Glen Beck, etc.. The brief time I have flicked by I found him, ah, "imprecise" to say the least, and a few others like him. But I had similar experiences with some of the other channels. The main thing I am wondering is which News Organization can be taken seriously? Why is only Fox identified with it's craziest people, and none of the others?

The thing I had liked about them was who they would allow on, without trying to ambush them. Many of the others seemed to absolutely exclude credible representatives of certain views, or edited many of their stories so much that the actual events could hardly be recognized.

What other news organization of Fox's size features people so crazy and so prominently?

135 livefreeor die  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:23:35pm

re: #31 jcm

....homophobic coward.....

HAHAHAHA! That's rich.

Since when posting pictures of an event; criticism?

So now objecting to sex acts in public is wrong and can lead to one being called a "homophobic coward"? Give me a break. (That's directed at the people criticizing Zombie, not you, JCM.)

136 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:23:43pm

re: #129 legalpad

This thread isn't about another network- it's about Fox. Other news outlets are criticized here as well.

137 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:23:49pm

re: #119 Bloodnok

Who is advocating anything? I see observations. People can make of Fox News what they will. Watch it or not watch it. Trust it or not trust it. But things like this need to be brought to the surface to be analyzed critically.

No, Fox News is not the only outlet that requires "improvement" in standards or integrity. But it is no better or worse than CBS, NBC, NPR. I choose not to watch any of them.

I guess you're right. Nobody is really advocating anything. Just remarks like "Fox Sucks". It just seems to imply that someone else does not suck. Maybe it doesn't.

138 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:24:24pm

re: #137 legalpad

Who said "fox sucks"?

139 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:25:04pm

One of the nics on the Fox Nation nirth thread -

WeWonAMuslimAmericanHatingMulatto

140 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:25:04pm

re: #137 legalpad

The first person to say "fox sucks" on this thread was you.

141 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:25:44pm

re: #129 legalpad

Why is only Fox identified with it's craziest people, and none of the others?

Uh, pardon me. But LGF has been exposing crazy "journalists" for a long time, and ALL of the "others" have been included in that. Reuters, AP, CBS, MSNBC, all of them.

142 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:25:46pm

Interesting analysis provided at Huffington Post, written by John W. Delicath -- he uses the inflammatory headlines at Fox Nation with the links to the actual, news stories (news stories which are in direct contradiction to the insane headlines.)

143 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:26:22pm
World Net Daily

Now, there's a clue.

144 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:27:17pm

re: #135 livefreeor die

So now objecting to sex acts in public is wrong and can lead to one being called a "homophobic coward"? Give me a break. (That's directed at the people criticizing Zombie, not you, JCM.)

And zombie didn't so much as objecting as reporting... accurately.

I guess some folks didn't like the... ahhh... exposure!

145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:27:44pm

re: #137 legalpad

I guess you're right. Nobody is really advocating anything. Just remarks like "Fox Sucks". It just seems to imply that someone else does not suck. Maybe it doesn't.

Interestingly you were the first to say it ("Fox Sucks") with your #99.

146 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:28:02pm

Did LGF just launch yesterday, and I missed it?

How could someone ask whether we cover the transgressions of other media, if they've been reading LGF for more than a week?

Good freaking grief.

147 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:28:17pm

re: #143 unreconstructed rebel

Now, there's a clue.

Spell Check is Your Friend...

Weird Nut Drooly!

/;-P

148 solomonpanting  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:28:42pm

re: #129 legalpad

Why is only Fox identified with it's craziest people, and none of the others?

Well, there's this guy named Olbermann and he ........

149 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:28:47pm

re: #134 Flyers1974

What other news organization of Fox's size features people so crazy and so prominently?

I guess you are telling me that they don't. I don't really watch much of any of them, including Fox. I see A couple of morning shows on Fox. Never found anything wrong with them particularly. I watch CNN in the afternoon. They seem OK but don't seem to include some of the interesting stories I hear in the morning. I watch O'Reilly occasionally, but I usually disagree on points and methods. I like Dennis Miller. But I think you guys must have watched much more of all the the networks than I have, because I have definitely not gotten the impression expressed here.

150 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:28:48pm

Does anyone else think that the White House chose to have WND there and ask a question to just embarrass the right ? Now the perception by some is that all the right wing blogs are nutters. By having WND there, the WH can say they are fair and balance by having Huffington or KOS in the press pool. Pretty savvy political move.

151 Gus  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:29:05pm

re: #146 Charles

Did this website just launch yesterday, and I missed it?

How could someone ask whether we cover the transgressions of other media, if they've been reading LGF for more than a week?

Good freaking grief.

This is part of the Whois:

Intellectual Property Department (TCFFC)
Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
Beverly Hills CA 90213-0900

I was curious about the site a few weeks ago.

152 spudly  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:29:11pm

Another thing these morons fail to realize is that unlike BDS, this (ODS) will NOT be adopted by the mass media (including entertainment media) the way BDS was. They can rant, and be insane as much as they like, and all it does is paint them—and the entire Right—as kooks. THAT is what the media will do, and it's so very easy since they are indeed kooks. The media could have easily made the BDS folks look like the kooks they were... but they did not.

The media playing field is not level, so the nirther insanity is just more ammo for the left. Course you can't expect the irrational to get that.

153 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:29:22pm

re: #141 Charles

Uh, pardon me. But LGF has been exposing crazy "journalists" for a long time, and ALL of the "others" have been included in that. Reuters, AP, CBS, MSNBC, all of them.

No kidding..jeez..Remember that reporter from Reuters that was stalking you then switched to his Blackberry and you captured his IP and posted it here?
Damn that was funny....
Good old Reuters..you can't buy dumber people...even on discount

154 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:29:31pm

re: #148 solomonpanting

Well, there's this guy named Olbermann and he ........

Yeah, I've heard of him. Never watched him.

155 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:29:38pm

re: #129 legalpad

You sure haven't been reading lgf for long or very much if you want to believe Charles hasn't been exposing the idiocy of ALL the media outlets, not just FNC.

156 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:30:01pm

re: #146 Charles

Did this website just launch yesterday, and I missed it?

How could someone ask whether we cover the transgressions of other media, if they've been reading LGF for more than a week?

Good freaking grief.

2007 Fiskie went to Olberman, the 2008 to The MSM.

157 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:30:20pm

Recent-attention-span syndrome in action.

158 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:30:33pm

re: #146 Charles

Did this website just launch yesterday, and I missed it?

How could someone ask whether we cover the transgressions of other media, if they've been reading LGF for more than a week?

Good freaking grief.

You mean that wasn't you with the CBS/Dan Rather "throbbing memo"?!?

159 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:31:05pm

Fox, inter alia, sucks.

160 Gus  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:31:08pm

Oops, misunderstood the question.

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:31:22pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

No kidding..jeez..Remember that reporter from Reuters that was stalking you then switched to his Blackberry and you captured his IP and posted it here?
Damn that was funny....
Good old Reuters..you can't buy dumber people...even on discount

Oh, man! I missed THAT! WAH! ;)

162 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:31:24pm

re: #145 FurryOldGuyJeans

Interestingly you were the first to say it ("Fox Sucks") with your #99.

On this thread, yes. But I was quoting Sharmuta on a previous thread. They opened this thread with another negative remark and it reminded me of it.

163 Lincolntf  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:31:29pm

Speaking of the media, this story is on Drudge and features the first "Roman Catholic Priestess" I've ever heard of.

Do I call her "Mother"?

164 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:31:53pm

re: #157 jaunte

Recent-attention-span syndrome in action.

Huh? What are we talking about?
You here what Paris did this time?

//

165 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:33:01pm

re: #132 spudly

To be fair, there are total nutjobs on other networks, too (Olberman, etc) with followers who are every bit as nutty.

Forget being fair, let's just be accurate. Nutters on ALL the media outlets.

166 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:34:08pm

re: #163 Lincolntf

Speaking of the media, this story is on Drudge and features the first "Roman Catholic Priestess" I've ever heard of.

Do I call her "Mother"?

Are You My Mother?

167 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:34:09pm

I am in love with Christopher Hitchens now


168 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:34:17pm

re: #149 legalpad

Are you just straight up ignoring me? I responded to you, you said I didn't, and I've responded several times since then to you, and still nothing.

Let me be crystal clear on this subject. I don't trust the news. I fact check things myself because I can't trust the media outlets to do it properly. And I mean all of them. I check stuff myself. Lizards here help when they link stuff. It's work, but I'm better informed for it.

The media is the enemy.

169 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:34:26pm

re: #162 legalpad

On this thread, yes. But I was quoting Sharmuta on a previous thread. They opened this thread with another negative remark and it reminded me of it.

Would you like to quote me then as well?

FOX SUCKS!

They are a disgrace chasing the all mighty dollar.

170 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:34:47pm

re: #129 legalpad

The thing I had liked about them was who they would allow on, without trying to ambush them.

I depend on a news organization to make interviewees verify their facts, not just allow anybody on who has a bone to pick. Otherwise, you've got a freak show and/or propaganda outlet, which is what Fox has become, IMO.

Why do you consider questions from a host to be "ambushing"?

171 mikalm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:35:23pm

re: #163 Lincolntf

Speaking of the media, this story is on Drudge and features the first "Roman Catholic Priestess" I've ever heard of.

Do I call her "Mother"?

Here's her wonderfully-wingnutty column. BTW, she's probably an "Old Catholic" (independent) priest, as the RCC cannot and will not ordain women.

172 livefreeor die  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:35:35pm

re: #144 jcm

And zombie didn't so much as objecting as reporting... accurately.

I guess some folks didn't like the... ahhh... exposure!

This is what I find the most amazing:
re: #17 zombie

Glug.

Moshoyannis said he's seen the internet photos, and called the anonymous photographer "a homophobic coward. If you want to criticize someone or somebody's community, at least attach your name to it ... If you don't identify as part of my community, you should be prepared for the expression of the leather community or don't come."

So basically, he's saying that people cannot go into public areas that are being used by the fair if they don't want to see people engaged in sexual acts. He frames it as "expression". Somehow I don't think the Founding Fathers would have considered this "expression".

173 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:36:08pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

Are you just straight up ignoring me? I responded to you, you said I didn't, and I've responded several times since then to you, and still nothing.

Let me be crystal clear on this subject. I don't trust the news. I fact check things myself because I can't trust the media outlets to do it properly. And I mean all of them. I check stuff myself. Lizards here help when they link stuff. It's work, but I'm better informed for it.

The media is the enemy.

Yes, he's ignoring you and going after lil ol' me for saying the exact same thing. Guess he's too shy around such a dizzying intellect and wondrous beauty.

And I mean you, Sharm. I have neither. ;)

174 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:36:37pm

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

You sure haven't been reading lgf for long or very much if you want to believe Charles hasn't been exposing the idiocy of ALL the media outlets, not just FNC.

Well, I have had no thoughts or views on Charles take of it at all. I tend to agree with what you say there. My questions were only directed to Sharmuta, or anyone who cared to answer them. They were not with regard to Charles or this sight. I am clear on the general view of the media here. I just didn't understand the seeming singling out FOX by this one person. I don't get on lgf that much, but I think I am generally clear on the general view of the media in general.

175 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:36:42pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

Are you just straight up ignoring me? I responded to you, you said I didn't, and I've responded several times since then to you, and still nothing.

Let me be crystal clear on this subject. I don't trust the news. I fact check things myself because I can't trust the media outlets to do it properly. And I mean all of them. I check stuff myself. Lizards here help when they link stuff. It's work, but I'm better informed for it.

The media is the enemy.

What's not to trust?

176 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:36:54pm

re: #128 mikalm

Charles: This is OT, but definitely thread-worthy:

Zombie has a new report on the S.F. Protest against the California gay-marriage ruling.


Caption below one of zombies photo's -

...is it wise to wear a ball-gag and nun's habit to show how you're "just like everyone else"?

LOL

177 lawhawk  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:37:08pm

re: #146 Charles

Well, you did miss your prior qualms and criticisms of AFP, WND, ABC News, New York Times, WaPo, LAT, etc.

178 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:37:22pm

re: #123 spudly

The Obama Admin must be loving this. Heck, if they're smart, they will have their own people add more rumors to the nirthers.

Every moment spent on this is another moment NOT spent on them ignoring nuclear and near-nuclear lunatics, the Jihad, unrestrained spending, etc, ad nauseum. They couldn't make this kind of distraction up if they tried.

WTG, nirther morons.

Sorta reminds you of the Fake but Accurate crowd, don't it?

179 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:38:27pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout all while giving creationist/secessionist gov. rick perry of texas plenty of camera time with the tea-baggers........./

180 livefreeor die  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:38:29pm

re: #172 livefreeor die

PIMF

re: #144 jcm

And zombie didn't so much as objecting as reporting... accurately.

I guess some folks didn't like the... ahhh... exposure!

This is what I find the most amazing:
re: #17 zombie

Glug.

Moshoyannis said he's seen the internet photos, and called the anonymous photographer "a homophobic coward. If you want to criticize someone or somebody's community, at least attach your name to it ... If you don't identify as part of my community, you should be prepared for the expression of the leather community or don't come."

So basically, he's saying that people cannot go into public areas that are being used by the fair if they don't want to see people engaged in sexual acts. He frames it as "expression". Somehow I don't think the Founding Fathers would have considered this "expression".

Sorry, on the first posting, I put my quotes in the wrong place and made it look like the stuff I stated (and just put in bold) was stated by Zombie. My apologies.

181 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:39:05pm
182 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:40:20pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

Are you just straight up ignoring me? I responded to you, you said I didn't, and I've responded several times since then to you, and still nothing.

Let me be crystal clear on this subject. I don't trust the news. I fact check things myself because I can't trust the media outlets to do it properly. And I mean all of them. I check stuff myself. Lizards here help when they link stuff. It's work, but I'm better informed for it.

The media is the enemy.

Actually, I believe the MSM could be more accurately described as collaborators (same as the liberals) to the Islamofascists, who are the REAL enemy.

183 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:40:27pm

Murdoch endorsed 0bama, BTW. He doesn't give a rip if the network is ridiculous so long as he's making money.

184 Lincolntf  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:40:56pm

re: #171 mikalm


Oh boy, she's a real winner.

"...Several months ago, the practice of priests sleeping with Protestant virgins before their marriage to Catholic males surfaced. A Catholic male and his would be bride went to speak to the priest concerning their marriage. The priest stated that he would have to try her out before the marriage. The girl told her mother. The marriage took place some months later..."

185 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:41:06pm

re: #182 Macker

The Truth has many enemies, same as Freedom.

186 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:41:06pm

re: #89 LGoPs

/Love means never having to say you're sorry.

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:41:37pm

re: #175 jcm

What's not to trust?

What is the context there? A woman holding a couple of rifle rounds is a bit unclear.

188 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:41:59pm

re: #170 ShanghaiEd

I depend on a news organization to make interviewees verify their facts, not just allow anybody on who has a bone to pick. Otherwise, you've got a freak show and/or propaganda outlet, which is what Fox has become, IMO.

Why do you consider questions from a host to be "ambushing"?

Well, I don't. Any questions? That would be pretty crazy. They usual don't ambush. But sometimes they do, and usually along ideological lines. You're right about the freak show business. But ideally, that factor would be balanced not to become an ideological filter. The birth certificate thing is pretty crazy, and so are a few other things

189 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:42:15pm

re: #181 taxfreekiller

tfk is at other peoples house drinking coors lite and is going to allow
the husband to post a few oil field info bits to avanti etal.

Friends don't let friends drink Coor's Lite! Try real beer....

;-)

190 mikalm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:42:40pm

re: #184 Lincolntf

Oh boy, she's a real winner.

"...Several months ago, the practice of priests sleeping with Protestant virgins before their marriage to Catholic males surfaced. A Catholic male and his would be bride went to speak to the priest concerning their marriage. The priest stated that he would have to try her out before the marriage. The girl told her mother. The marriage took place some months later..."

Same ol' Papist-bashing nonsense, now dressed up in anti-gay/Black-Nationalist garb.

191 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:42:59pm

People find it painful to take an objective and critical look at things they hold dear, and at the things they take for granted.

I took FoxNews for granted for a long time, and realized that they had "lost it" for me ONLY when I realized that I had stopped watching them, and that the reason I had stopped watching was because they had gotten too shrill for my taste. And by "shrill", I mean sinking into some craziness - not every program, but most of the ones I used to watch regularly.

I hate it when I agree with Killgore; I question whether I'm turning into some liberal - but the bottom line is, when he's right, he's right, and when Killgore says something, it should not be automatically dismissed just because we might find him aggravating sometimes.

Folks need to remember, imo, that the fact that FoxNews is being looked at critically here does NOT mean that suddenly the other news outlets are somehow OK - it's just that the others have been covered, and FoxNews is changing, and not for the better.

192 Lincolntf  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:43:01pm

re: #181 taxfreekiller

Coors Lite? I weep for your tastebuds.

193 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:43:13pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

What is the context there? A woman holding a couple of rifle rounds is a bit unclear.

IIRC those rounds came flying through the wall of a Palestinian home. Take a look again at the rounds.

194 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:43:27pm

re: #174 legalpad

So you just blather on from ignorance and the contents of one thread, eh?

195 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:43:32pm

Goin' on vacation. I'll tune in in two weeks to see just how batty the world will have become.

196 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:43:39pm

re: #169 FurryOldGuyJeans

Would you like to quote me then as well?

FOX SUCKS!

They are a disgrace chasing the all mighty dollar.

I would like to quote you on who doesn't suck, which has been my only point all along.

197 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:44:04pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

What is the context there? A woman holding a couple of rifle rounds is a bit unclear.



Those were "shot" at the woman's house by US Troops.

It has been used frequently enough I figured (incorrectly) everyone had seen them.

198 Kragar  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:44:06pm

re: #176 unrealizedviewpoint

LOL

I originally voted for Prop 8 originally to send a message against judicial activism. I'm continuing to support Prop 8 because it pisses those assholes off.

199 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:44:09pm

There was a report last night on NPR about the newspapers, and some head of some newspaper/media non-profit was saying their failing numbers wasn't due to the internet. I just laughed, and said to the radio, "You keep thinking that, Buddy".

200 livefreeor die  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:44:21pm

re: #184 Lincolntf

Oh boy, she's a real winner.

"...Several months ago, the practice of priests sleeping with Protestant virgins before their marriage to Catholic males surfaced. A Catholic male and his would be bride went to speak to the priest concerning their marriage. The priest stated that he would have to try her out before the marriage. The girl told her mother. The marriage took place some months later..."

I wonder if she owns the Brooklyn Bridge. Or would like to.

201 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:44:29pm

re: #193 unrealizedviewpoint

IIRC those rounds came flying through the wall of a Palestinian home. Take a look again at the rounds.

Ok, now I see the context. I don't need to see the picture again, I've already got it.

202 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:44:34pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

What is the context there? A woman holding a couple of rifle rounds is a bit unclear.

It goes back to an old Capt. Ed story from Iraq.. That lady is holding bullets the Marines shot at her.. Well really they just tossed them at her cause they hadn't been used yet...Classic
Same woman in other stories...

203 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:44:37pm

re: #175 jcm

What's not to trust?

Absolutely.

204 Kragar  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:44:54pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

What is the context there? A woman holding a couple of rifle rounds is a bit unclear.

She said she collected those after US troops had shot them into her house.

205 livefreeor die  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:45:03pm

re: #192 Lincolntf

Coors Lite? I weep for your tastebuds.

Were they out of soapy water?

206 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:45:13pm

re: #197 jcm


Those were "shot" at the woman's house by US Troops.

It has been used frequently enough I figured (incorrectly) everyone had seen them.

I appreciate the context. Now I see the point being made. :)

207 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:45:28pm

re: #177 lawhawk

Well, you did miss your prior qualms and criticisms of AFP, WND, ABC News, New York Times, WaPo, LAT, etc.

Heh. Was that me? Are you sure? After all, some people seem to think I've been taken over by the body snatchers lately, because I'm daring to criticize their sacred cows.

208 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:45:47pm
209 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:45:57pm

re: #206 FurryOldGuyJeans

I appreciate the context. Now I see the point being made. :)

My bad for taking a shortcut!

210 Lincolntf  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:46:00pm

re: #190 mikalm

I'm an RC and I've seen some Catholics say some wacky things, but nobody ever called themself a "Priestess".
Kinda lets the cat out of the bag that she's a fraud. Oh well, I hope she gets her flea collar changed regularly.

211 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:46:05pm

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She said she collected those after US troops had shot them into her house.

You gotta love the lizards; ask a question for context and it comes erupting out of the woodwork! :)

212 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:46:14pm

re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans

So you just blather on from ignorance and the contents of one thread, eh?

I asked one person a question about their comment. The "blathering" came from responding to responses to my question. And yes, my ignorance of what they meant was a factor.

213 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:46:40pm

re: #207 Charles

Heh. Was that me? Are you sure? After all, some people seem to think I've been taken over by the body snatchers lately, because I'm daring to criticize their sacred cows.

You could be just some time delayed posts. ;)

214 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:46:48pm

re: #201 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, now I see the context. I don't need to see the picture again, I've already got it.

I waz wong thow. It was an Iraqi home.

215 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:48:43pm

re: #211 FurryOldGuyJeans

You gotta love the lizards; ask a question for context and it comes erupting out of the woodwork! :)

Too bad they reporter didn't ask ' Trust me lady..The Marines don't throw unused ammo at the enemy..where did you say you bought this ammo?"

216 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:48:48pm

re: #177 lawhawk

Well, you did miss your prior qualms and criticisms of AFP, WND, ABC News, New York Times, WaPo, LAT, etc.

Yes, but what about the Fishing Network?

217 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:49:01pm

re: #212 legalpad

I asked one person a question about their comment. The "blathering" came from responding to responses to my question. And yes, my ignorance of what they meant was a factor.

Yet you have pointedly failed to answer or even acknowledge the questions and comments made by the person in question.

218 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:49:03pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

Are you just straight up ignoring me? I responded to you, you said I didn't, and I've responded several times since then to you, and still nothing.

Let me be crystal clear on this subject. I don't trust the news. I fact check things myself because I can't trust the media outlets to do it properly. And I mean all of them. I check stuff myself. Lizards here help when they link stuff. It's work, but I'm better informed for it.

The media is the enemy.

Wow, I am really sorry. The way I do my search for responses has been from the bottom up. I guess I didn't expect so much response, and I am a somewhat slow typist. Give me a minute to catch up. Good answer, btw, thanks. I understand.

219 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:49:30pm

re: #207 Charles

Heh. Was that me? Are you sure? After all, some people seem to think I've been taken over by the body snatchers lately, because I'm daring to criticize their sacred cows.

Have you found a big, slimy pod under your bed lately? Say, this morning?

/

220 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:49:44pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

I hate it when I agree with Killgore; I question whether I'm turning into some liberal - but the bottom line is, when he's right, he's right, and when Killgore says something, it should not be automatically dismissed just because we might find him aggravating sometimes.

{Reine} I don't hate it when I agree with Killgore, but everything else about this comment is quite true, and I've not had the eloquence. Thank you for that.

221 jhrhv  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:50:09pm

re: #129 legalpad

I guess I don't watch Glen Beck, etc..

Good for you. Watching Beck is time lost you will never get back.

The main thing I am wondering is which News Organization can be taken seriously?

IMO stick with good news sources on the net. Personally I like LGF, Elder of Ziyon and Jpost. Links and stories from them give me all the news and fluff (thanks CNN) that I can take in most days. For TV news I watch the local guys for weather, traffic before I leave the house in the morning and maybe a few gardening tips / which nights are good for getting the telescope out. Other then that the TV is a dust collector.


The thing I had liked about them was who they would allow on, without trying to ambush them.

I liked watching O'Reilly he was good fun if not so acurate for news. Again IMO FOX jumped the shark when Zero won and they haven't came back to their previous low level of standards.

222 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:50:31pm

re: #217 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet you have pointedly failed to answer or even acknowledge the questions and comments made by the person in question.

See my response 218. Everybody is just faster than me, Fur.

223 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:50:50pm

re: #220 Sharmuta

{Reine} I don't hate it when I agree with Killgore, but everything else about this comment is quite true, and I've not had the eloquence. Thank you for that.

Ah - I don't really "hate" it either - it just feels weird.

224 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:50:51pm
225 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:50:57pm

re: #196 legalpad

I would like to quote you on who doesn't suck, which has been my only point all along.

When it comes to the media, no one. They all suck eggs better than a Hoover.

226 mikalm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:52:12pm

re: #210 Lincolntf

This Brenda Lee character is sort of a cross between whackjob wannabe "priestess" Sinead O'Connor and George Stallings, the Jeremiah Wright of liturgical Christianity.

227 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:52:53pm

magic only down 1 at the half after falling behind by 22

228 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:53:16pm

re: #223 reine.de.tout

The rest of you comment was spot on, as well. I just needed to remark about that aspect of it. +1

229 American Sabra  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:53:18pm

Look it's all the media and you have to get your news from somewhere.

I watch little TV news also because I hate the senstionalism and every channel has it. I do enjoy, however, Sunday morning news. Meet the Press (boy I miss Russert, God bless him) and Stephanopolous and then a local talk show I like.

Fox is constantly over the top. They seem to be promoting the crazy straight from the network. Foxnation?

I read Yahoo because it's directly from the AP and Rueters. Then some Israeli papers which usually have good world news. Then I go looking around. Smelling something fishy in a story isn't usually too hard.

WND is one of life's bigger disappointments.

230 Racer X  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:54:02pm

1 point game.

Can someone please wake Cleveland up? Stan Van Gundy is completely out-coaching Mike Brown.

231 Born Again Republican  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:54:03pm

re: #146 Charles

Did LGF just launch yesterday, and I missed it?

How could someone ask whether we cover the transgressions of other media, if they've been reading LGF for more than a week?

Good freaking grief.

Your only as good as your last piece of work, they say. Always having to prove yourself. Fortunately there is lots of references to prove all the work of LGF.

232 snowcrash  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:54:50pm

Allah linked to this thread at the end of his new OReilly apology post.

233 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:54:52pm

re: #224 Iron Fist

Nobody does propaganda better than the Democrats do. Well, not since Leni Riefenstahl died, anyway.

How do you suppose it came about that the Democrats are propaganda masters and the Republicans are not?

234 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:54:57pm

Pamela Geller has had time to reflect on her "RIVERDALE RABBI SLITS OUR THROATS" screamathon, particularly her "kapo" slur.

Upon closer inspection and reflection, I take nothing back.

235 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:55:05pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

Might also note that this thread was (initially) about "Fox Nation" (owned by Fox News) -- "Fox Nation" website is a thoroughly disgusting travesty, and utter trash...(imo the Fox Nation website is beyond redemption).

236 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:55:19pm

re: #227 gtrs

magic only down 1 at the half after falling behind by 22

Classic war..The Cav's came out at light speed...But now..Things are slowing down abit..And the magic are playing like studs..Let's face it..They are tough...
Rafer is my new favorite player..I need a poster for the garage

237 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:55:33pm

re: #234 Jimmah

OMG.

238 jhrhv  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:55:34pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

I think Charles got it really right the other day when he said he was an independent. Really got me thinking. I think I'm there also.

239 lawhawk  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:56:29pm

re: #205 livefreeor die

Were they out of soapy water?

If you want to get water in a bottle, there are cheaper ways to do it. Tastier too. Fewer calories.

240 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:56:43pm

re: #238 jhrhv

I think Charles got it really right the other day when he said he was an independent. Really got me thinking. I think I'm there also.

Lot of that going around.

241 Racer X  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:57:01pm

re: #236 HoosierHoops

Classic war..The Cav's came out at light speed...But now..Things are slowing down abit..And the magic are playing like studs..Let's face it..They are tough...
Rafer is my new favorite player..I need a poster for the garage

I want nothing to do with Orlando. Please put some caffeine in the Cavs locker room.

242 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:57:12pm

re: #233 Flyers1974

How do you suppose it came about that the Democrats are propaganda masters and the Republicans are not?

The philosophy the Dems subscribe to. Personal freedom and responsibility, let alone smaller government and fiscal responsibility, are not something amenable to the brain-washing media mantras.

243 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:57:22pm

re: #238 jhrhv

Personally, I'm going back to liberalism...

244 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:58:07pm

re: #243 J.S.

Personally, I'm going back to liberalism...

Classic Liberalism?

245 Salamantis  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:58:09pm

re: #238 jhrhv

I think Charles got it really right the other day when he said he was an independent. Really got me thinking. I think I'm there also.

But of course! Who wants to be a dependent, anyway?

246 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:58:17pm

re: #234 Jimmah

Hmmm, wonder how this is going to be nuanced and excused.

247 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:58:25pm

re: #234 Jimmah

Pamela Geller has had time to reflect on her "RIVERDALE RABBI SLITS OUR THROATS" screamathon, particularly her "kapo" slur.

Does she realize that some might compare her cooperation with the neo-nazis to the conduct of the kapos? How ironic.

248 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:58:41pm

re: #207 Charles

Heh. Was that me? Are you sure? After all, some people seem to think I've been taken over by the body snatchers lately, because I'm daring to criticize their sacred cows.

Some who know Charles and his work, might at times be somewhat surprised, but probably will, if the past is any predictor, come to see that he's right in these instances also.
/some on the sidelines
/some dragging along kicking and screaming

249 Ziggy  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:58:52pm

Les Kinsolving? Holy Crap, I know that guy from years ago. He is a old school conservative Talk Radio Host that didn't quite make it into the medium markets. He was old when Reagan was in office. We used to laugh our asses of listening to him. A true believer he is...in what I have no idea.

250 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:01pm

re: #244 jcm

Classic Liberalism?

Nah, he meant Liberacism ... everyone get a candelabra ...

251 American Sabra  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:35pm

re: #234 Jimmah

Pamela Geller has had time to reflect on her "RIVERDALE RABBI SLITS OUR THROATS" screamathon, particularly her "kapo" slur.

There really is something wrong with her. I never looked at her site much. I never missed a thing.

252 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:36pm

World Nut Drooly is one of Obama's favorite news outlets I bet, they are helping a lot more than DKOS and Huffpo are.

253 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:41pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

I hate it when I agree with Killgore;

I take that as the highest compliment possible. Sincere thanks
;)

254 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:43pm

re: #244 jcm

Yes. Of the Enlightenment variety...(oh, and I don't think "the media is the enemy" -- a free and responsible press is a cornerstone of democracy).

255 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:50pm

re: #237 Sharmuta

OMG.

Did she scream abuse at President Bush for saying the same thing that this Rabbi did - that the enemy was Islamic extremists and fundamentalists, not the entire religion? Somehow, I doubt it.

256 justdanny  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:51pm

When I was six my birth certificate burned up in a fire. When a replacement was sought, state said they had somehow lost their copy.

A new one was made based on info provided by my mother. I cant prove I was born on this planet, much less in this country.

257 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:55pm

re: #241 Racer X

I want nothing to do with Orlando. Please put some caffeine in the Cavs locker room.

LOL
unless you are the Lakers..I don't care about the jersey...These guys are playing like a team..defense..great shooters..Own the paint..Superman...They hate their coach..what's not to like?
Barkley just called howard a beast...

258 Salamantis  Thu, May 28, 2009 6:59:59pm

re: #248 unrealizedviewpoint

Some who know Charles and his work, might at times be somewhat surprised, but probably will, if the past is any predictor, come to see that he's right in these instances also.
/some on the sidelines
/some dragging along kicking and screaming

Charles is an iconoclast. If you've got an icon, sooner or later he's a gonna clast it...;~)

259 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:00:18pm

re: #138 Sharmuta

Who said "fox sucks"?

Boy, you comment a lot. You said it in your number 3 comment in "Paulians Push for Nepolitano" or something like that. I asked you about it then, but no one seemed to notice.

260 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:00:25pm

re: #250 OldLineTexan

Nah, he meant Liberacism ... everyone get a candelabra ...

I look sooooo good in sequins!

//

261 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:00:42pm

re: #233 Flyers1974

How do you suppose it came about that the Democrats are propaganda masters and the Republicans are not?

They've learned to lie better out of greater necessity.

262 jhrhv  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:00:49pm

re: #245 Salamantis

But of course! Who wants to be a dependent, anyway?

PalArabs.

/

263 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:00:52pm

re: #254 J.S.

Yes. Of the Enlightenment variety...(oh, and I don't think "the media is the enemy" -- a free and responsible press is a cornerstone of democracy).

Man, I have got to get me one of those!

/

264 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:01:03pm

This reminds me I need to check my website email (I only do that once in a blue moon) to see who's behind the Chrysler dealer astroturfing if I can.

265 mikalm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:01:08pm

re: #240 jcm

Lot of that going around.

I'm with the Guns and Dope Party, myself.

266 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:01:36pm

re: #255 Jimmah

Did she scream abuse at President Bush for saying the same thing that this Rabbi did - that the enemy was Islamic extremists and fundamentalists, not the entire religion? Somehow, I doubt it.

Would anyone have been able to hear her over all the other Bush-haters if she had?

/

267 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:01:46pm

re: #254 J.S.

Yes. Of the Enlightenment variety...(oh, and I don't think "the media is the enemy" -- a free and responsible press is a cornerstone of democracy).

a free and responsible is the corner stone... unfortunately the media has shucked free for license and responsibility is for dead white guys.

268 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:01:53pm

re: #258 Salamantis

Charles is an iconoclast. If you've got an icon, sooner or later he's a gonna clast it...;~)

LOL

269 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:02:25pm

re: #254 J.S.

Yes. Of the Enlightenment variety...(oh, and I don't think "the media is the enemy" -- a free and responsible press is a cornerstone of democracy).

Right now I'd settle for an openly partisan press, easier to detect and discard the bias.

270 Racer X  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:03:29pm

re: #257 HoosierHoops

LOL
unless you are the Lakers..I don't care about the jersey...These guys are playing like a team..defense..great shooters..Own the paint..Superman...They hate their coach..what's not to like?
Barkley just called howard a beast...

Orlando is unstoppable! The Lakers are going to be in trouble. I feel bad for LeBron but, oh well.

271 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:03:49pm

re: #258 Salamantis

Charles is an iconoclast. If you've got an icon, sooner or later he's a gonna clast it...;~)

ROTFLMAO.

/clast one out, turn off the lights

272 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:03:51pm

re: #242 FurryOldGuyJeans

The philosophy the Dems subscribe to. Personal freedom and responsibility, let alone smaller government and fiscal responsibility, are not something amenable to the brain-washing media mantras.

May I also add that Democrats offer the path of least resistance. The items that you mentioned, personal and fiscal responsibility and smaller government require effort, thought and sometimes sacrifice; items not all that popular with the self absorbed culture that's all too prevalent.

273 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:03:59pm

re: #265 mikalm

I'm with the Guns and Dope Party, myself.

LOL!

Guns and dopes don't mix....

274 lawhawk  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:04:11pm

re: #240 jcm

Lot of that going around.

Alot of people who might otherwise gravitated towards the GOP because of their disgust with the Democrats are holding their noses at both parties.

I've always been a registered Democrat (it's what you do in NY and NJ because the Democrat primaries were where votes were decided, not in the general elections which were preordained affairs given that the Democrats often ran unopposed.

Coming to LGF wasn't about being a Democrat or GOPer. It was about getting to the heart of the matter and cutting through the crap in the media where opinion masquerades as news and opinion infuses every bit of news, particularly about the WoT.

275 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:04:14pm

re: #141 Charles

Uh, pardon me. But LGF has been exposing crazy "journalists" for a long time, and ALL of the "others" have been included in that. Reuters, AP, CBS, MSNBC, all of them.

I know this. I was (originally) talking to Sharmuta. I was not talking about this site. She has answered me, and it was a great answer. I understand.

276 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:04:37pm

Reuters
Today: 2
Yesterday: 1

Just sayin'

277 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:04:56pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

I take that as the highest compliment possible. Sincere thanks
;)

aw, Killgore.
I truly didn't mean it the way it probably sounded.
I think highly of you, even when I don't agree.

278 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:04:57pm

re: #269 FurryOldGuyJeans

Right now I'd settle for an openly partisan press, easier to detect and discard the bias.

That's the way it was up until just after WWII.

It was a partisan press, the whole two paper town idea was built around a left paper and a right paper.

279 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:05:21pm

I dunno, the Golf Network seems to get a free ride around here.

280 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:05:25pm

re: #225 FurryOldGuyJeans

When it comes to the media, no one. They all suck eggs better than a Hoover.

Got it. Good thing we have the internet.

281 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:05:28pm

re: #273 jcm

LOL!

Guns and dopes don't mix....

Although lotsa dopes have guns ...

282 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:05:41pm

re: #223 reine.de.tout

I was not in the least offended. It's easy to convince somebody with a similar ideology of something. You already know the buzzwords and hot points to exploit. It's called the Rule of Diminishing Dopes : Two dumb people are more than twice as dumb as one dumb person on their own.
They convince each other that they're right no matter how off base they are. It's much harder to impress someone who's not predisposed to accept an idea or concept.

283 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:05:45pm

re: #242 FurryOldGuyJeans

The philosophy the Dems subscribe to. Personal freedom and responsibility, let alone smaller government and fiscal responsibility, are not something amenable to the brain-washing media mantras.

I understand what you are saying. However, I took the previous poster's statement as being in reference to Democratic Party operatives or Democrats as individuals, not media. If I mistook his meaning though, and he was referring to media, wouldn't you say that Fox news for example, is no less adept at propaganda than say, MSNBC?

284 saberry0530  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:05:51pm

re: #270 Racer X

Orlando is unstoppable! The Lakers are going to be in trouble. I feel bad for LeBron but, oh well.

BUt what about Dawn!

285 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:06:30pm

re: #278 jcm

That's the way it was up until just after WWII.

It was a partisan press, the whole two paper town idea was built around a left paper and a right paper.

I wouldn't even mind a single paper if they would at least have the balls to PROUDLY proclaim their partisanship.

286 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:06:59pm

Nate Silver at 538.com lays out a "Gringo" strategy for a GOP win without the Latino vote. Hard to do in the next few cycles, but nearly impossible later.

Gringo.

287 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:07:06pm

re: #284 saberry0530

BUt what about Dawn!

I've only seen them once since they split with Tony Orlando.

288 Wendya  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:07:10pm

re: #61 snowcrash

This Fox "Nation" web site is much more sensationalist than the Fox News site. They are not the same.

It was designed to draw attention to fox news stories. Posting original content and other content - and allowing people to comment on the articles/stories. Fox can point out they got X amount of hits on their news items by expanding it past the home website.

289 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:07:17pm

re: #269 FurryOldGuyJeans

I believe "Fox Nation" is an example of "partisan press" (of the worst sort imaginable).

290 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:08:06pm

re: #285 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wouldn't even mind a single paper if they would at least have the balls to PROUDLY proclaim their partisanship.

In a odd way The Stranger in Seattle is fits that bill, they are very open about they're perspective. Some the Slimes and Least Intelligence never were.

291 snowcrash  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:08:27pm

re: #288 Wendya
Wow, it really goes for the lowest common denominator. Yuck.

292 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:09:08pm

re: #289 J.S.

I believe "Fox Nation" is an example of "partisan press" (of the worst sort imaginable).

Yet do they proudly proclaim their partisanship? I don't see it.

293 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:09:52pm

re: #286 avanti

Nate Silver at 538.com lays out a "Gringo" strategy for a GOP win without the Latino vote. Hard to do in the next few cycles, but nearly impossible later.

Gringo.

That is demeaning and patronizing. That article insists that Hispanics are completely involved in the Sotomayor identity politics.

The ones I know aren't.

It's like Fox and MSNBC having Al Sharpton on for the "black" opinion on an issue. Made my black friends extremely angry.

294 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:09:56pm

OT

Sderot, Israel home video......

Such nice neighbors they have.
////////

295 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:10:04pm

Kinsolving is an institution in Baltimore, has been for decades.

He's actually done some good work. If you look at the Wiki site, there's a snippet from when he asked Larry Speakes about AIDS, back when nobody in government was talking about it.

I'm sorry to see he's joined the nirthers. Maybe Pam promised him a...

Never mind.

296 kansas  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:10:39pm

re: #72 ladycatnip

#65 kansas

Whatever happened to Pelosi's accusations that the CIA lied, that the head of the CIA (another dem) is accusing her of lying and that she knew about the waterboarding? Headlines are here one day, gone the next

Pelosi ran away to China to get out of the spotlight and called Fox News to ask about the birth certificate.

297 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:10:44pm

re: #270 Racer X

Orlando is unstoppable! The Lakers are going to be in trouble. I feel bad for LeBron but, oh well.

Cav's were unbeaten in the play-offs..
The Magic were battle tested..They went through hell and high water to get to the conf. finals...
They are not impressed by king james...They are tough dudes that don't care if you get up by 22 in the first quarter..They still are going to beat you up...They do not fold!
If this team makes it to the finals and beats the Lakers in the championship I swear by gawd now that they will always be my favorite team...Well OK I promise to buy a jersey...

298 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:10:52pm
299 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:10:59pm
300 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:10:59pm

re: #261 unrealizedviewpoint

They've learned to lie better out of greater necessity.

When do you suppose that evolution took place? For example, I would venture that there is not a lot of similarity between today's Democrats and those from 1950. When did the Democrats come to find they needed to lie in order to prosper?

301 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:11:07pm

re: #290 jcm

In a odd way The Stranger in Seattle is fits that bill, they are very open about they're perspective. Some the Slimes and Least Intelligence never were.

Have read The Stranger from only a single online article, but it was a very good article because they made it very clear they had a political axe to grind and agenda to promote.

302 KingKenrod  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:11:10pm

re: #232 snowcrash

Allah linked to this thread at the end of his new OReilly apology post.

O'Reilly's such a mixed bag. I'm glad he brought attention to the awful comments at Hot Air even if he mistakenly attributed it to the site itself.

I haven't seen anyone mention his fairly extensive plea last night for Republicans to stop driving moderates out of the party. It's one of the most impressive things I've seen him do.

303 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:11:30pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Aw, poor white men. They never catch a break in America. They've been sooo disadvantaged for so long. It's not like the Constitution favored them or anything!
///////////////////////////

304 Racer X  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:12:32pm

Nurse Jackie

This is the full pilot episode. Looks good.

305 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:12:51pm

re: #234 Jimmah

Ugh. Were you wearing a hazmat suit when you read it?

To smear Rabbi Avi Weiss like that? Not just despicable....it is digging bottom and still sinking.

306 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:13:09pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I best not, lest I vomit!

307 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:13:20pm

re: #301 FurryOldGuyJeans

Have read The Stranger from only a single online article, but it was a very good article because they made it very clear they had a political axe to grind and agenda to promote.

They are honest and up front. I don't agree with 'em much. But I'll give 'em that. I do read them, probably every couple of weeks.

308 Wendya  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:13:38pm

re: #278 jcm

That's the way it was up until just after WWII.

It was a partisan press, the whole two paper town idea was built around a left paper and a right paper.

People tend to think journalism was always about finding the truth when in fact it's always been about presenting what the editors of each newspaper wanted to be seen as truth.

309 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:14:24pm

Les also does an annual Edgar Allen Poe broadcast in which he always reads "The Raven" live on the air. It's spine-tinglingly good.

Again, I'm sorry to see he's drunk the Kool-Aid.

Speaking of which, he was one of the first, years ago, to unmask Jim Jones for the fraud he was.

310 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:14:36pm

re: #308 Wendya

People tend to think journalism was always about finding the truth when in fact it's always been about presenting what the editors of each newspaper wanted to be seen as truth.

I said it earlier - history is not a popular subject.

311 Wendya  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:14:40pm

re: #291 snowcrash

Wow, it really goes for the lowest common denominator. Yuck.

It's all about the $$$$$. Most news organizations know it's tough to be ideologically pure when they can't attract enough customers to pay the bills.

312 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:14:47pm

re: #307 jcm

They are honest and up front. I don't agree with 'em much. But I'll give 'em that. I do read them, probably every couple of weeks.

Which is exactly what I would like to see ALL media to be. Open and up front where they stand on things.

313 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:15:04pm

re: #236 HoosierHoops orlandomagic.com actually has a link to orlandomagicshop.com for merchandise

314 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:15:05pm
315 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:15:35pm

re: #312 FurryOldGuyJeans

Which is exactly what I would like to see ALL media to be. Open and up front where they stand on things.

Chrissy told you about his leg. How much more open could he have been?

/

316 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:16:04pm

re: #308 Wendya

People tend to think journalism was always about finding the truth when in fact it's always been about presenting what the editors of each newspaper wanted to be seen as truth.

Has nobody read Harry Potter?

317 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:16:13pm

re: #60 zombie

I don't know. Sailors on trampolines sounds kinda entertaining. Oh....... oops.

318 Racer X  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:16:14pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

Heh. Man the Lakers are in trouble. Thank god we have the best coach in the league to get in their heads.

;-)

319 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:16:15pm

re: #314 Iron Fist

Of course not. It's the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Drink up, and shoot straight :-)

Should be a convenience store, not a Fed agency.

/

320 KingKenrod  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:16:24pm

re: #304 Racer X

Nurse Jackie

This is the full pilot episode. Looks good.

Yes, this show looks good.

321 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:16:26pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

Sometimes I think they are in collusion. It's hard for me to believe that the Republicans are actually as stupid as they look.

322 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:16:33pm

re: #292 FurryOldGuyJeans

mediamatters.org — Between May 1 and May 15, FoxNation.com linked to 15 newspaper op-eds and columns in its "Politics" section, but not one was from a progressive figure or presented a favorable view of the Obama administration.

I cannot find the evidence that Fox Nation is "unbiased" (regardless of what they say or allege). They are clearly partisan. (Just as Huffington Post is leftwing).

323 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:16:38pm

I thought Rowling was particularly insightful.

324 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:17:08pm

re: #300 Flyers1974

When do you suppose that evolution took place? For example, I would venture that there is not a lot of similarity between today's Democrats and those from 1950. When did the Democrats come to find they needed to lie in order to prosper?

I think that it's when they went so far left that they needed to do something to at least look like sensible people. The radical left has been in control for so long that the number of moderates who speak their minds could have a meeting in hotel room.

They go on and on about JFK, but JFK wouldn't have anything to do with these people.

325 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:17:58pm

As for me, I'm with the Mudbloods.

326 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:18:07pm

re: #305 NY Nana

Ugh. Were you wearing a hazmat suit when you read it?

To smear Rabbi Avi Weiss like that? Not just despicable....it is digging bottom and still sinking.

Speaking of despicable...I hear you turned right around and sent the thread from the other day to Ploome...who turned right around and used it to continue harassing a prominent Lizard by sending defamatory emails to that Lizard's boss.

I have copies of the entire correspondence.

You're a piece of work, granny.

327 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:18:09pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

I find this topic fascinating. I believe media bias against the Republicans is greatly exaggerated. Nonetheless, while this idea is much stated, I haven't seen the topic debated in any serious matter, or if it has been, I've missed it. You've written a long and interesting post, so allow me a few minutes to digest.

328 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:18:39pm

re: #323 Sharmuta

I thought Rowling was particularly insightful.

Rita Skeeter would be refreshing, actually.

329 Wendya  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:18:50pm

re: #316 Sharmuta

Has nobody read Harry Potter?

I hadn't thought about The Daily Prophet or the Quibbler but then again, I expect the British media to show bias. Only here do we have an unreasonable expectation that the media will support our ideological views.

330 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:19:06pm

re: #236 HoosierHoops
rafer has been great; the magic lost starter jameer nelson to injury(who was having a carrer year at the time)and were able to get rafer during the season via trade to play the point; deal of the year in the nba

331 gmsc  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:19:16pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

As for me, I'm with the Mudbloods.

If that's true, why did you choose to use the particularly foul name for people you're a part of?
;)

332 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:20:03pm

re: #322 J.S.

I cannot find the evidence that Fox Nation is "unbiased" (regardless of what they say or allege). They are clearly partisan. (Just as Huffington Post is leftwing).

What they say or allege is my point. If they don't proudly proclaim they are biased they are not partisan as the press used to be.

333 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:21:02pm

Allahpundit linked to this post at Hot Air, and sure enough -- the commenters are seriously hating on me again.

It's nice to live inside so many morons' heads.

334 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:21:08pm

re: #293 OldLineTexan

That is demeaning and patronizing. That article insists that Hispanics are completely involved in the Sotomayor identity politics.

The ones I know aren't.

It's like Fox and MSNBC having Al Sharpton on for the "black" opinion on an issue. Made my black friends extremely angry.

I don't totally disagree, but the trend has been to losing the Hispanic vote, and a frontal attack on Sotomayor would not help.

335 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:21:23pm

re: #316 Sharmuta

Has nobody read Harry Potter?

Wha?
I had to buy 2 copies of each Potter book, so young Reine and I could both read without fighting over who would get the book.

336 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:21:43pm

re: #333 Charles

Allahpundit linked to this post at Hot Air, and sure enough -- the commenters are seriously hating on me again.

It's nice to live inside so many morons' heads.

Do you need track lighting, or does the natural light through the earholes suffice?

/

337 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:22:30pm

re: #333 Charles

Allahpundit linked to this post at Hot Air, and sure enough -- the commenters are seriously hating on me again.

It's nice to live inside so many morons' heads.

Do you think you could do some repair work while you're there?

338 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:23:03pm

re: #319 OldLineTexan

Should be a convenience store, not a Fed agency.

/

I feel the same way about the State Department's "Latin American Affairs" Division.

339 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:23:17pm

re: #260 jcm

I look sooooo good in sequins!

Some proof, please. ;)

340 snowcrash  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:23:23pm

re: #304 Racer X
Nurses must be hot TV drama subjects. Saw an ad for Jada Pinkett as a nurse in new show too.

341 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:23:46pm

re: #334 avanti

I don't totally disagree, but the trend has been to losing the Hispanic vote, and a frontal attack on Sotomayor would not help.

Once the race trump is broken, it's an open card game.

I am of mixed opinion on it.

The Dems invented the modern version of this particular dirty game; what goes around comes around. This is why I wish the Repubs would have behaved better when they had the upper hand.

I swear, the FedGov is worse than a seventh-grade love triangle.

342 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:23:59pm

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Wha?
I had to buy 2 copies of each Potter book, so young Reine and I could both read without fighting over who would get the book.

I find the books to be a great analogy to the ethnic nationalism we see rising in some places. What was going on with the press in those books is also worth noting. They didn't sell the truth- they sold propaganda.

343 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:24:14pm

re: #337 MacDuff

Do you think you could do some repair work while you're there?

(By the way, AP says they get about 2700 comments per day -- LGF usually gets about 5000 per day, sometimes more.)

344 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:24:20pm

re: #330 gtrs

rafer has been great; the magic lost starter jameer nelson to injury(who was having a carrer year at the time)and were able to get rafer during the season via trade to play the point; deal of the year in the nba

You know why I like Rafer? His mama named him in honor of one of America's greatest athletes..I'm buying a jersey...

345 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:24:21pm

re: #331 gmsc

OT: I want to thank you for recommending "Eucalyptus" to me. I now have that, the free Kindle book reader, and a little app called "Classics" on my iPhone, for when even the Kindle is too big to carry around.

I used to volunteer time at the Gutenberg Project (via their distributed proofreading site). It's great to see our work getting spread around like that.

There's also a lot of public-domain stuff available directly for the Kindle, thank God.

Long live the pixelated word!

346 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:24:23pm

Can i call if Faux News now?

347 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:24:37pm
348 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:25:01pm
It's nice to live inside so many morons' heads.


A palatial apartment made entirely of ping-pong balls.

349 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:25:16pm

re: #327 Flyers1974

I find this topic fascinating. I believe media bias against the Republicans is greatly exaggerated. Nonetheless, while this idea is much stated, I haven't seen the topic debated in any serious matter, or if it has been, I've missed it. You've written a long and interesting post, so allow me a few minutes to digest.

Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News

350 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:25:22pm

re: #305 NY Nana

Ugh. Were you wearing a hazmat suit when you read it?

To smear Rabbi Avi Weiss like that? Not just despicable....it is digging bottom and still sinking.

Her blog is the scrapbook of a mentalcase. Her litmus test for Jews now seems to be a willingness to publicly declare war on the whole of Islam. There must only be a handful of Jews she actually approves of. The rest are 'JINO's' - her term, again, or 'kapos'.

351 gmsc  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:25:45pm

re: #345 Cato the Elder

OT: I want to thank you for recommending "Eucalyptus" to me.

You're welcome!
:)

352 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:26:25pm

re: #348 jaunte

A palatial apartment made entirely of ping-pong balls.

Mr. Moose?

Captain?

353 Gella  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:26:34pm

FOX is slow in reporting news

354 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:26:41pm

re: #350 Jimmah

Her blog is the scrapbook of a mentalcase. Her litmus test for Jews now seems to be a willingness to publicly declare war on the whole of Islam. There must only be a handful of Jews she actually approves of. The rest are 'JINO's' - her term, again, or 'kapos'.

Are you talking about Pamela Geller?

355 kansas  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:26:46pm

re: #346 ArrowSmith

Can i call if Faux News now?

Only if you call all the MSM faux.

356 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:27:13pm

re: #326 Cato the Elder

How dare you even insinuate that? How dare you?

357 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:27:13pm

re: #350 Jimmah

Her blog is the scrapbook of a mentalcase. Her litmus test for Jews now seems to be a willingness to publicly declare war on the whole of Islam. There must only be a handful of Jews she actually approves of. The rest are 'JINO's' - her term, again, or 'kapos'.

Funny. Nana's friend Alouette was using precisely that term - JINOs - to castigate everyone at the AJC just the other night. Nana had no objection to it then.

Did you, Nana?

358 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:27:26pm

charles, forget about the BC, what about dreams from my father being ghost written by ayers

359 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:27:30pm

re: #356 NY Nana

How dare you even insinuate that? How dare you?

I have proof.

360 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:27:31pm

re: #353 Gella

FOX is slow in reporting news

Not if there is some lil white girl involved, then they go 24/7 for weeks.

361 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:27:44pm

re: #344 HoosierHoops rafer johnson US olympic gold medalist

362 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:27:46pm

re: #345 Cato the Elder

and a little app called "Classics" on my iPhone

I have that one, too. Nice app, well done.

363 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:27:50pm

re: #334 avanti

I don't totally disagree, but the trend has been to losing the Hispanic vote, and a frontal attack on Sotomayor would not help.

* * *
I'm Hispanic but don't go gaga over Mayor Villaraigosa or any other politician because she or he may be Hispanic, Mexican or a member of La Raza.

Frontal attacks against Alberto Gonzalez our former Attorney General, and Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings, now THOSE were enough to turn me off democrats repeatedly.

364 Racer X  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:28:15pm

re: #340 snowcrash

Nurses must be hot TV drama subjects. Saw an ad for Jada Pinkett as a nurse in new show too.

I used to have a roommate who was exactly nurse Jackie. Down to the haircut. Weird.

365 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:28:34pm

re: #355 kansas

Only if you call all the MSM faux.

I've called it Pravda for years.

366 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:28:47pm

re: #354 ArrowSmith

Are you talking about Pamela Geller?

Yes.

367 honestjay  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:28:52pm

I'm obsessed with people who are obsessed with Obama's birth certificate.

368 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:29:15pm

Deadly blast at Iranian mosque

An explosion in a mosque in the southeastern Iranian city of Zahedan has killed at least 15 people and wounded scores more, the official Islamic Republic news agency (Irna) says.

The explosion struck the Amir al-Mohini mosque on Thursday in Zahedan, the capital of Sistan-Baluchestan province that borders Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[snip]

Arrests'

According to Irna, Ayatollah Abbas Ali Soleymani, Zahedan's prayer leader, told reporters that "one of the main persons involved [in the attack] had been arrested" and "he will soon be punished in front of the mosque".

The last major attack in the city was in February 2007 when suspected Sunni fighters killed 13 members of the Revolutionary Guards.

369 kansas  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:29:22pm

re: #365 ArrowSmith

I've called it Pravda for years.

I prefer that. The faux moniker reminds me of Kos. And it's tiresome.

370 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:29:23pm

re: #363 alegrias

* * *
I'm Hispanic but don't go gaga over Mayor Villaraigosa or any other politician because she or he may be Hispanic, Mexican or a member of La Raza.

Frontal attacks against Alberto Gonzalez our former Attorney General, and Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings, now THOSE were enough to turn me off democrats repeatedly.

The esteemed mayor of LA has lots of interesting race-tinged comments to make, or at least did. Has someone convinced him to tone it down?

371 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:29:42pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

I prefer the following designation for Senator Durbin: (N-IL)

372 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:29:54pm

re: #364 Racer X

I used to have a roommate who was exactly nurse Jackie. Down to the haircut. Weird.

I'm only interested in Nurse Nancy.

/

373 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:30:25pm

re: #326 Cato the Elder

Speaking of despicable...I hear you turned right around and sent the thread from the other day to Ploome...who turned right around and used it to continue harassing a prominent Lizard by sending defamatory emails to that Lizard's boss.

I have copies of the entire correspondence.

You're a piece of work, granny.

Seriously? Fuck...

374 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:30:51pm

re: #365 ArrowSmith

I've called it Pravda for years.

Any lizard quickly translate Pravda to the proper Cyrillic? I'd like to save it for later usage.

375 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:30:57pm

re: #346 ArrowSmith

Can i call if Faux News now?

* * * *
I believe Charles clearly pointed out he is referring to a website called Fox NATION.

Unless I'm misunderstanding. I watch Fox News but have never been to Fox NATION, a website.

376 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:31:02pm

re: #371 Macker

I prefer the following designation for Senator Durbin: (N-IL)

I just refer to him as "That Dick". I don't even know his first name.

/

377 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:31:06pm

transparency

378 jlemieu1  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:31:09pm

Sorry, someday PBO will grow up and and tell HI to release it.

379 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:31:46pm

re: #358 dwdw49

charles, forget about the BC, what about dreams from my father being ghost written by ayers

So you're moving on from your obsession with the nirth certifikit, to an obsession with another insane conspiracy theory, eh?

Well, that's progress, of a sort.

380 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:31:48pm

re: #373 Jimmah

Seriously? Fuck...

Seriously.

Charles has proof too.

That's how I dare, Nana. You're busted.

381 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:32:16pm

Here come the nirthers.

382 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:32:19pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

yech, yes. surprising, no.

383 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:32:49pm

re: #344 HoosierHoops
did you know rafer johnson played hoops at ucla under the "wizard of westwood" coach john wooden?

384 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:33:10pm

have you read cashill?

385 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:33:39pm

re: #378 jlemieu1

You realize a certified short form is legal proof?

386 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:34:19pm

re: #384 dwdw49

have you read cashill?

Have you danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

387 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:34:32pm

Someone get ahold of Roger Ailes, the CEO. He's a former consultant to Rudy, Nixon, Reagan, and H.W. Bush. From what I know of him, he's a level-headed man. This nirther shit and the Beck shit and the Napolitano shit....

And now I gotta' scrub the grease our of my hair and skin after deep-frying potatoes for about 90 minutes because one group of players' parents couldn't get off their fucking duffs to come man the concession stand during their assigned times. This is on top of the two hours I worked during the first game. I smell like a rancid fry. Both dog and cat ran from me when I got home. I didn't even get to see The Kid play 'cause I felt so nasty that I left my father in charge. bbiab

388 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:35:11pm

re: #361 gtrs

rafer johnson US olympic gold medalist

When i was a little kid I had this paperback book with stories of all the great athletes..I read it a million times in bed late at night..turning the pages.knowing what was coming up..but still excited
Rafer inspired me...yes there were a few tears...Luckily my Dad took me to see Jesse Owens speak when I was in 5th grade..I got his autograph..So one person out of the book I really met..pretty cool..

389 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:35:23pm

re: #374 FurryOldGuyJeans

Any lizard quickly translate Pravda to the proper Cyrillic? I'd like to save it for later usage.

Правда

390 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:35:27pm

re: #386 Charles

Have you danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

ROTFLMHWAO!

*snort* *snort*

391 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:35:36pm

re: #350 Jimmah

Jimmah,

You have no idea how startling the night of her breakdown was. Here is some of it.

Were you a Lizard when it happened?

She is what I call a shanda, or disgrace, to the Jews. And I have said so many times that I feel so badly for her daughters, all 4 of them. She uses them as a shield, and they must hear a lot of insults and remarks about her.

If anything, you would think that she would shield them, and make sure that they had a real childhood. They must all be in their mid and late teens by now.

To me, as a parent and grandparent, it is a form of child abuse, so help me.

392 Spare O'Lake  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:35:59pm

re: #380 Cato the Elder

Seriously.
Charles has proof too.
That's how I dare, Nana. You're busted.

WTF - again with this vicious shit?

393 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:36:06pm

re: #384 dwdw49

have you read cashill?

Do you even know how to read?

394 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:36:10pm

re: #387 MandyManners

My mom was Den mother for my entire Cub Scout career for similar reasons. The Kid will pay you back time and again when he's old enough to understand.

395 Kragar  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:36:31pm

re: #316 Sharmuta

Has nobody read Harry Potter?

Rereading Wheel of Time

396 Altermite  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:37:00pm

re: #79 solomonpanting

That story is being buried under the swine flu PANDEMIC.

A pandemic is a disease that spreads across a wide area in an unusual pattern. With a flu, any variety that appears out of season effectively becomes pandemic, thanks to rapid transportation and incubation times. The word pandemic for flu doesn't mean much more than non-seasonal. Declaring it pandemic was entirely accurate. The hysteria came because people didn't actually know what pandemic means.

397 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:37:05pm

re: #359 Cato the Elder

I have proof.

My email is blue. I would appreciate it if you would provide it.

398 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:37:38pm

re: #386 Charles what a joker.../

399 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:37:39pm

re: #389 jcm

Правда

MANY thanks, jcm. :D

400 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:37:44pm

re: #386 Charles

Have you danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Do you like movies about gladiators?
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

Let' get the TRUTH out there!

401 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:37:44pm

re: #386 Charles

Jack Napier?

402 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:37:51pm

re: #300 Flyers1974

When do you suppose that evolution took place? For example, I would venture that there is not a lot of similarity between today's Democrats and those from 1950. When did the Democrats come to find they needed to lie in order to prosper?

Timewise, I don't know. It was when it became all about them.

403 snowcrash  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:38:09pm

re: #359 Cato the Elder
Why are you stirring up trouble? No camaraderie for fellow lizards?

404 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:38:30pm

re: #399 FurryOldGuyJeans

MANY thanks, jcm. :D

Now give him Izvestia, so he can have the set.

/

405 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:38:31pm

charles, shame on you, if i didn't know better i would say you are avoiding convincing evidence, as if your fingers are in your ears and are you yelling NahNanNah to avoid hearing something?

406 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:39:30pm

re: #405 dwdw49

Wow. Is there a reason to turn into a complete jerk?

407 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:39:37pm

re: #396 Altermite

They confused "pandemic" (keeping tabs on its geographical spread) with lethality...

408 Mich-again  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:39:42pm

re: #391 NY Nana

If anything, you would think that she would shield them, and make sure that they had a real childhood.

Not a chance. Its always been all about her.

409 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:39:45pm

re: #392 Spare O'Lake

WTF - again with this vicious shit?

It's the truth. Ploome has been harassing a Lizard at work. Nana has been helping her out with that.

Nana is a hypocritical liar who thinks it's fine when Alouette declares an entire group of American Jews to be "JINOs" but clucks her tongue at Crazy Pam.

And as I said, I'm not just pulling this out of my nose. Charles knows all about it, too.

That's all I'm at liberty to say.

You're so busted, Nana. Why don't you take a vacation?

410 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:39:53pm

re: #405 dwdw49

charles, shame on you, if i didn't know better i would say you are avoiding convincing evidence, as if your fingers are in your ears and are you yelling NahNanNah to avoid hearing something?

Could you rephrase that question, in English this time?

411 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:40:33pm

re: #405 dwdw49

Uh oh, is that something burning? Does anyone else smell it?

412 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:40:43pm

re: #404 OldLineTexan

Now give him Izvestia, so he can have the set.

/

I wanted the Cyrillic spelling of Pravda for usage here. Izvestia would be overkill. ;)

413 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:41:11pm

Don't Care -

By virtue of an AMERICAN MOTHER, the President is an American Citizen. Unless you can disprove his PARENTAGE, on both sides - Don't Bother with this. Oppose the President on Policy - what a "Loyal Opposition" should do.

-S-

414 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:41:27pm

re: #411 MacDuff

Uh oh, is that something burning? Does anyone else smell it?

Yes. Once again, too much sauce. I swear, barbecue is not for beginners.

/

415 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:41:28pm

re: #396 Altermite

A pandemic is a disease that spreads across a wide area in an unusual pattern. With a flu, any variety that appears out of season effectively becomes pandemic, thanks to rapid transportation and incubation times. The word pandemic for flu doesn't mean much more than non-seasonal. Declaring it pandemic was entirely accurate. The hysteria came because people didn't actually know what pandemic means.

Oh, but that can't be right... commentator Fred Fisk on NPR this morning said that a "pandemic" is, by definition, global, and therefore "global pandemic" is redundant. And it's NPR, so it must be true.

/

416 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:41:29pm

re: #383 gtrs

did you know rafer johnson played hoops at ucla under the "wizard of westwood" coach john wooden?

maybe.like I said..I was a kid under the covers reading about Rafer with a paperback.. He is a Hero

417 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:41:52pm

yes, have you read cashill?

418 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:42:18pm

re: #412 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wanted the Cyrillic spelling of Pravda for usage here. Izvestia would be overkill. ;)

But, but, but ... how will you say that there is little Pravda in Izvestia, and little Izvestia in Pravda?

/

419 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:42:37pm

re: #409 Cato the Elder

You're right, she has. And I'm not happy with ploome at all, after she decided to defend mass murderer Baruch Golstein at my website. But please take this offline. It's not interesting to most of the people reading this thread.

420 kansas  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:42:38pm

re: #417 dwdw49

yes, have you read cashill?

Is that short for California Shill?

421 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:42:48pm

fourth quarter looms and the magic are still up 1; GO MAGIC!

422 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:42:52pm
423 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:43:03pm

re: #410 Charles

Could you rephrase that question, in English this time?

El ingles representa imperialismo cultural, pinche gringo.

424 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:43:11pm

Pravda: Правда

425 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:43:16pm

re: #403 snowcrash

Why are you stirring up trouble? No camaraderie for fellow lizards?

My camaraderie is with the Lizard who's being defamed at work by crazy Ploome and friends here on LGF.

426 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:43:39pm

re: #416 HoosierHoops
COOL

427 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:43:48pm

re: #419 Charles

You're right, she has. And I'm not happy with ploome at all, after she decided to defend mass murderer Baruch Golstein at my website. But please take this offline. It's not interesting to most of the people reading this thread.

As you wish.

428 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:43:49pm

re: #415 Occasional Reader

Oh, but that can't be right... commentator Fred Fisk on NPR this morning said that a "pandemic" is, by definition, global, and therefore "global pandemic" is redundant. And it's NPR, so it must be true.

/

They lie so calmly. It's enough to make me lay my head on a desk and sleep for a thousand years ...

429 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:43:55pm

re: #417 dwdw49

Have you ever had a cup of STFU?

430 calcajun  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:43:55pm

re: #219 OldLineTexan

Have you found a big, slimy pod under your bed lately? Say, this morning?

/

Raymond ShawCharles Johnson is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life. //

431 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:44:03pm

OT

Tucker Carlson is now a Fox News Contributor! He & Greta Van Susteren are escapees from "that other network", whichever place that was.

He is or was a nice family man and has stopped wearing the silly bow tie that undercut his serious intellect in past.

432 slokat  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:44:08pm

re: #314 Iron Fist

Of course not. It's the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Drink up, and shoot straight :-)

Gets me to thinking that I wouldn't mind owning a bureau that housed a wet bar, cigar humidor and at least some pistols & ammo...

433 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:44:10pm

re: #418 OldLineTexan

But, but, but ... how will you say that there is little Pravda in Izvestia, and little Izvestia in Pravda?

/

Because I wouldn't ever say that? I just needed the spelling for the irony when people start spouting the Правда.

434 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:44:42pm

Izvestia: Известия

435 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:45:00pm

FRAK!

436 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:45:14pm

Well the dealer turf thing didn't come through the normal channels.

437 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:45:19pm

re: #429 MacDuff

Have you ever had a cup of STFU?

I think it's partial to the white whine.

/

438 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:45:29pm

re: #433 FurryOldGuyJeans

Because I wouldn't ever say that? I just needed the spelling for the irony when people start spouting the Правда.

Ah, but Comrade: in Truth there is no News, and in News there is no Truth.

439 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:45:34pm

re: #404 OldLineTexan

Now give him Izvestia, so he can have the set.

/

Извест ия

For some reason without the space the И blows up...

440 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:45:37pm

re: #403 snowcrash

It is what he does best. A rather strange hobby, don't you think?

441 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:45:58pm

re: #428 OldLineTexan

They lie so calmly. It's enough to make me lay my head on a desk and sleep for a thousand years ...

A thousand dreams
that would awake me
Different colors made of tears

-L. Reed

442 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:46:02pm

re: #433 FurryOldGuyJeans

Because I wouldn't ever say that? I just needed the spelling for the irony when people start spouting the Правда.

Is fine Soviet saying, with proud Soviet heritage!

443 calcajun  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:46:25pm

re: #431 alegrias

OT

Tucker Carlson ...has stopped wearing the silly bow tie that undercut his serious intellect in past.

Because it was too gay for Fox.//

444 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:46:46pm

re: #439 jcm

Извест ия

For some reason without the space the И blows up...

Same here. What's up with that, Charles!

445 NelsFree  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:46:55pm

re: #195 unreconstructed rebel

Goin' on vacation. I'll tune in in two weeks to see just how batty the world will have become.

Future Perfect Tense!
Phrase!

446 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:47:02pm

Tucker Carlson was easily dismissed as another "checked pants Republican geek boy we don't listen to".

447 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:47:04pm

re: #417 dwdw49

yes, have you read cashill?

You mean, Cashill the creationist? The guy who took some time off from promoting creationism to concoct a ridiculous conspiracy theory that Barack Obama's autobiography was ghost-written by Bill Ayers, and came up with a bunch of absurd pseudo-scientific gobbledegook by way of "proof?"

That Cashill?

Nope, never read him.

448 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:47:32pm

STFU? Scots talk funny um?

449 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:47:42pm

re: #397 NY Nana

My email is blue. I would appreciate it if you would provide it.

Charles has asked that this go offline. And I am not at liberty to email you anything without the permission of the Lizard whose credibility is being attacked at her workplace. That's all for now. You may hear from me later.

450 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:47:46pm

re: #445 NelsFree

Future Perfect Tense!
Phrase!

The future is perfect, but tense?

Set phrasers on "Stun".

451 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:47:49pm

re: #434 Macker

Izvestia: Извест&# x0438;я

Another reason why I didn't want Izvestia. ;)

452 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:47:53pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

It has been said that the Republicans are the stupid Party. The Democrats are the evil Party. While that is a bit simplistic, it seems to be dead on much of the time. One of the reasons the Democrats are so good at propaganda is that the bulk of the media support them. The media lets Democrats walk on things that they would flay a Republican for. That helps, but the Democrats just plain propagandize better. They are better at playing to the emotions. Everything is for the children, of course, whether it is food stamps or gun control or another Robert C. Byrd Memorial [fill in the blank]. And Republicans want to starve old people. We can't forget that. Cuts in rates of growth of spending are played as drastic cuts in spending. I could go on, but I think I've proven the point.

Depending on the Democrat in question, some of them lie better than others. The quintesential example of this is Bill Clinton. Do you remember who called him an "uncommonly good liar"? It wasn't Newt Gingrich.

some dweeb on the internet that said that. It was Dick Durbin, D-al Qaeda, for the record from the floor of the Senate. I'm surprised Osama didn't send him a personally engraved thank-you note for that little performance.

And the Republicans let him skate on it. As I said, the Republicans are the stupid Party.

I appreciate your discussing this in a serious manner. Regarding emotions: I understand your idea of "for the children." After all, who wants to be against children, or might I add saving the homeless, etc... . But, aren't the Republicans as adept at using emotional arguments? Take immigration for example. Now, surely, the effects of 12 million illegals is not a trivial matter. It is a serious topic that deserves serious consideration. But haven't the Republicans played the emotional angle here to the upmost (John McCain not included.) For example "Shamnesty" instead of a serious debate on the facts (i.e., they are hear, they aren't going to be deported en masse, therefore what are the possible options and consequences.) Or take the example of war. Were all those slogans and symbols (in god we trust combined with the flag, etc...) sincere displays of patriotism or political tools? Or crime exploitation, insinuating that the Democrats don't mind crime (although this one seems to have lost its popularity I think.)

As far as the Republicans not getting the story out. Was it the media being against the Republicans combined with poor political abilities on Bush's end, or the administration creating false expectations and changing the rationale for war? Why not say the war was in response to 9-11, not because Iraq was linked to Al Queda, but because if we clean house there, other states may get the hint and reform? Wasn't the media's later treatment of the war a backlash against all of these avoidable mistakes by the administration?

Finally, I am amazed at how often I hear conservatives blame the media for their losses. I was saying the other day, how does one argue against this? If the Gop wins, well that is how it should be. If they lose, it is (primarily) because of the media. Could it be the case that this has been repeated so often and for so long, it has become a false gospel? Hasn't anything changed? The dominance of talk radio, Fox news, blogs. Sorry I took so long to respond, had to have a cigarette.

453 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:48:08pm

re: #405 dwdw49

You have got to be kidding me...Where do you folks come from?
wait! don't tell me..I'm not sure I want to know

454 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:48:35pm

re: #413 Dr. Shalit

Don't Care -

By virtue of an AMERICAN MOTHER, the President is an American Citizen. Unless you can disprove his PARENTAGE, on both sides - Don't Bother with this. Oppose the President on Policy - what a "Loyal Opposition" should do.

-S-

DING!

Doc gets the cigar!

455 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:48:42pm

re: #452 Flyers1974

I accidently deleted some of your post in my repost.

456 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:48:47pm
457 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:48:49pm

re: #433 FurryOldGuyJeans

Because I wouldn't ever say that? I just needed the spelling for the irony when people start spouting the Правда.

Old Soviet saying (really):

There's no truth in Pravda, and there's no news in Izvestia.

458 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:48:52pm

re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans

Another reason why I didn't want Izvestia. ;)

Same as Президент Оба́ма. Displays great in the text entry area, but it blows up when the comment is posted....

459 solomonpanting  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:49:10pm

re: #441 Occasional Reader

A thousand dreams
that would awake me
Different colors made of tears

-L. Reed

Kiss the boot of shiny, shiny leather
Shiny leather in the dark

460 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:49:31pm

re: #453 HoosierHoops

You have got to be kidding me...Where do you folks come from?
wait! don't tell me..I'm not sure I want to know

I just wish they'd go back there, and the sooner the better.

461 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:50:07pm

re: #457 Occasional Reader

GMTA!

462 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:50:25pm

charles, my hats off to you. creationism- i think he is wrong, ayers----very compelling.

463 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:50:39pm

re: #443 calcajun

Because it was too gay for Fox.//

* * * * *
Men with bow ties were in abundance at the Smithsonian Institution for some odd reason!

At any rate, Tucker Carlson was a polite, smart political reporter whom I respected so I'm glad he's not on the leftist channels anymore.

464 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:51:11pm

re: #457 Occasional Reader

Old Soviet saying (really):

There's no truth in Pravda, and there's no news in Izvestia.

I remember the saying, my needs for a Cyrillic Правда are a bit narrow. ;)

465 slokat  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:51:36pm

re: #333 Charles

Allahpundit linked to this post at Hot Air, and sure enough -- the commenters are seriously hating on me again.

It's nice to live inside so many morons' heads.

I'm not that sure that this is good.
...many claim that gods exist because they live in the minds of men.

If you are progressively coming to live in the minds of morons, would that diminish you, or limit you to their ability to image your abilities in the future?

What would it be like to be a moron god?

/

466 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:51:55pm

re: #462 dwdw49

charles, my hats off to you. creationism- i think he is wrong, ayers----very compelling.

You get distracted by a lot of shiny things it seems.

467 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:52:14pm

re: #456 Iron Fist

I can't say I Love your Craft in that post, but thanks for your contribution anyway.

468 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:52:19pm

re: #446 ArrowSmith he still will be, just without that stupid bow tie............../

469 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:52:23pm
470 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:52:31pm

re: #448 dwdw49

Aye laddie, we 'ave a sayin that goes "When someone invites you to their house, don't shit on their carpet"

Did ye git me meaning laddie? Yer on thin ice, don't be dancin' about.

471 pingjockey  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:53:30pm

re: #466 FurryOldGuyJeans

Attention Deficeit, Oh Shiny!

472 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:54:06pm

re: #456 Iron Fist

Actually I saw that Lovecraft quote written once as graffiti on a railing of a scenic overlook of the bay in Santorini, Greece. It was PERFECT.

473 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:54:17pm

OT

Who are these stupid people who call 911 to complain about their fast food orders at McDonalds?

Do they think 911 is the people's court or Judge Judy?

474 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:54:18pm
475 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:54:25pm

re: #436 Thanos

Well the dealer turf thing didn't come through the normal channels.

Thanos -

IF you are saying what I think you are, I agree. A Minority Owned Dealership was terminated by "Old Chrysler" in Northern NJ. Pray tell, was his "SIN" owning a FORD Dealership in another town - OR - Being a Republican?

-S-

476 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:55:06pm

re: #474 taxfreekiller

now ms tfk.....who can tell me where the word "Hispanic" is derived?

Thanks.... Mrs. TFK

Hispaniola

477 Altermite  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:55:48pm

re: #474 taxfreekiller

now ms tfk.....who can tell me where the word "Hispanic" is derived?

Thanks.... Mrs. TFK

The romans used to call the iberian peninsula Hispania. I learned this from reading a history on the Punic Wars

478 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:55:51pm

re: #473 alegrias

OT

Who are these stupid people who call 911 to complain about their fast food orders at McDonalds?

Do they think 911 is the people's court or Judge Judy?

Start issuing some serious fines on these dolts and that crap will stop.

479 Kragar  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:56:05pm

re: #474 taxfreekiller

now ms tfk.....who can tell me where the word "Hispanic" is derived?

Thanks.... Mrs. TFK

Hispania, from the Romans

480 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:56:40pm

re: #476 Sharmuta

Hispaniola

Actually, Hispania (Roman name for Iberian peninsula).

481 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:56:40pm

re: #462 dwdw49

The dude's a nut. He goes all the way back to the "Ron Brown was murdered" schtick. You need to find some new reading material.

482 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:56:41pm

re: #470 MacDuff

Aye laddie, we 'ave a sayin that goes "When someone invites you to their house, don't shit on their carpet"

Did ye git me meaning laddie? Yer on thin ice, don't be dancin' about.

Hey now! He just wanted to pee on the house plants! ;)

483 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:57:05pm

re: #479 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jinx! (Well, almost, kinda)

484 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:57:13pm

Cashill's Cornucopia of Clinton Conspiracies
[Link: conwebwatch.tripod.com...]

485 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:57:16pm

re: #469 taxfreekiller

avanti?

How you going to play the hyper inflation Obama is about to cause?

* * * *
Inflation is the price we pay for great leadership now respected and loved throughout the world?

(Nah, I'm not buying it either--inflation is what we get for repeating Pres. Carter's "Why Not The Best?" disastrous administration)

486 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:58:06pm

re: #477 Altermite

The romans used to call the iberian peninsula Hispania. I learned this from reading a history on the Punic Wars

"What's all this I hear about 'Pubic Wars'?"

-Emily Litella

487 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:58:21pm

re: #484 jaunte

Cashill's Cornucopia of Clinton Conspiracies
[Link: conwebwatch.tripod.com...]

A Compendium of Crazy Crap! NYAH!

488 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:58:29pm

re: #484 jaunte

Cashill's Cornucopia of Clinton Conspiracies
[Link: conwebwatch.tripod.com...]

Wow- what a kook.

And OR- thanks. I learned something today.

489 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:58:51pm

re: #461 Macker

GMTA!

In Soviet Russia, Great Mind Thinks you!

490 kansas  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:59:03pm

re: #473 alegrias

OT

Who are these stupid people who call 911 to complain about their fast food orders at McDonalds?

Do they think 911 is the people's court or Judge Judy?

Look for Obama stickers on their cars maybe?

491 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:59:03pm

re: #349 FurryOldGuyJeans

Thanks for the link.

492 NelsFree  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:59:13pm

re: #450 OldLineTexan

The future is perfect, but tense?

Set phrasers on "Stun".

"I'm not wearing a red shirt this time!"
/landing party whiner

493 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:59:35pm

re: #449 Cato the Elder

Charles has asked that this go offline. And I am not at liberty to email you anything without the permission of the Lizard whose credibility is being attacked at her workplace. That's all for now. You may hear from me later.

Not that I want to get involved in a LGF internal discussion, but it brings up a question. Do Lizards or ex-Lizards actually escalate their political disagreements into attacks off line, at work for example ?
It seems a odd thing to do regardless of the strength of your opinion.

494 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:59:56pm

re: #474 taxfreekiller

now ms tfk.....who can tell me where the word "Hispanic" is derived?

Thanks.... Mrs. TFK

It's from Latin. We old Romans called what is now Spain Hispania.

495 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:00:12pm
496 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:00:35pm

re: #487 FurryOldGuyJeans

A Compendium of Crazy Crap! NYAH!

A Kornucopia of Kooky Kitsch!

497 Kragar  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:00:56pm

re: #495 taxfreekiller

Atermite...you are exactly right...and the Punic Wars were my source, also....but why are people from Mexico called Hispanic?

Lots of horny Conquistadors

498 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:01:03pm

re: #491 Flyers1974

Thanks for the link.

Bias will blow your socks off on just how pervasive and perverted the bias in the FMSM really is.

499 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:01:16pm

re: #488 Sharmuta

Wow- what a kook.

And OR- thanks. I learned something today.

Ha! I get the credit! Woo-hoo!

Hispaniola... now that is one unfortunate island. The DR side, well, they'v e had their ups and downs. The Haiti side... holy shit. I was talking not long ago to some guys who tried to work on an infrastructure project there. They were, uh, shaken.

500 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:01:21pm

The Kid is usually the one who does the RBI thingy but, tonight, he was batted in: 1-0! Much rejoicing!

501 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:01:25pm

re: #493 avanti

Some do. The particularly crazy ones. But again, Charles has requested this topic to end here.

502 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:01:58pm

Has anyone researched Ailes?

503 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:02:26pm

re: #495 taxfreekiller

Atermite...you are exactly right...and the Punic Wars were my source, also....but why are people from Mexico called Hispanic?

Colonized by the Spanish, many have Spanish heritage, speaking Spanish.

504 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:02:37pm

re: #462 dwdw49

charles, my hats off to you. creationism- i think he is wrong, ayers----very compelling.

Let's see if I can make this clear to you.

The conspiracy theory that Barack Obama's autobiography was sekritly written by Bill Ayers is a 10,000-foot heap of unwashed, reeking, 100-proof crap. And I'm going to start deleting any links that are posted to this bilious nonsense at my website, because I don't want to get the stink on me.

Any more questions?

505 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:02:38pm

re: #495 taxfreekiller

Atermite...you are exactly right...and the Punic Wars were my source, also....but why are people from Mexico called Hispanic?

Because Moctezuma lost.

506 calcajun  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:02:49pm

re: #459 solomonpanting

Kiss the boot of shiny, shiny leather
Shiny leather in the dark

Nirthers + eroticia = ...Neurotica?

507 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:03:01pm

re: #452 Flyers1974 the reason the republicans are not getting their message out is because they are too obsessed with "proving" the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA was born on mars or some such other planet........../

508 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:03:29pm

re: #495 taxfreekiller

Atermite...you are exactly right...and the Punic Wars were my source, also....but why are people from Mexico called Hispanic?

* * * * *
Well, Spanish Conquistadors were encouraged to come to the New World without wives, and marry the local women & have children--mix & mingle, not just colonize.

So wherever Spaniards went in the New World, their Hispanic genes were sure to follow.

509 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:03:32pm

re: #500 MandyManners

The Kid is usually the one who does the RBI thingy but, tonight, he was batted in: 1-0! Much rejoicing!

Wonderful! don't forget a scrapbook..It means alot to kids!
Congrads!

510 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:03:38pm

Hey, Abu Abbas: improve security and reduce anti-Israeli (a/k/a Jew-hatred) or FCBBHO might give you a bunch of Bay City Rollers' CD's!

511 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:03:43pm

re: #507 gtrs

the reason the republicans are not getting their message out is because they are too obsessed with "proving" the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA was born on mars or some such other planet........../

At least he isn't a Cylon.

512 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:03:55pm

re: #475 Dr. Shalit

Actually this thing started with a guy in Melbourne FL, Anderer came in later. There was a mail chain associated with his ltr, it was on Limbaugh I think on 5/19, Boortz soon after, and in American thinker, within a couple days it had swarmed the rightosphere. I'm not finding astroturf prints on it however.

513 Velvet Elvis  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:04:22pm

re: #431 alegrias

OT

Tucker Carlson is now a Fox News Contributor! He & Greta Van Susteren are escapees from "that other network", whichever place that was.

He is or was a nice family man and has stopped wearing the silly bow tie that undercut his serious intellect in past.

Yes. That's exactly what Fox News needed for me to start taking them seriously. Tucker Carlson. Win for them!

514 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:04:39pm

re: #510 MandyManners

Hey, Abu Abbas: improve security and reduce anti-Israeli SENTIMENT (a/k/a Jew-hatred) or FCBBHO might give you a bunch of Bay City Rollers' CD's!


*sigh*

515 NelsFree  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:04:42pm

Well, that's all I got. G'nite.
/what's that smell, burning popcorn, or grillin'?

516 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:04:58pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

In Soviet Russia, Great Mind Thinks you!

"In America, you can always find a party, in Soviet Union, party always finds you!"
Yakov Smirnoff

517 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:05:01pm

re: #470 MacDuff

518 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:03pm

re: #508 alegrias

I've also heard (this was from a Communist history prof) that America established a hierarchy through skin color, whereas in Mexico (due to the Spanish conquest) the hierarchy was established contingent on speaking fluent Spanish...

519 solomonpanting  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:10pm

re: #506 calcajun

Nirthers + eroticia = ...Neurotica?

Part of me is afraid to answer.

520 calcajun  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:11pm

re: #511 Macker

At least he isn't a Cylon.

THAT'S what they WANT you think. Does his spine glow during sex? Have you ever seen it? You can't say it doesn't, can you?///

521 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:16pm

re: #516 MacDuff

"In America, you can always find a party, in Soviet Union, party always finds you!"
Yakov Smirnoff

1,000 updings for anyone who quotes one of my favorite comedians!

522 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:16pm

I'm frankly embarrassed and very disappointed that the link to American Thinker's Cashill article got 20 up-dings before I deleted it.

American Thinker is off the LGF list of news sources. By publishing that garbage, they've put themselves on the same plane as World Net Daily.

The sickness is spreading.

523 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:24pm

re: #497 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lots of horny Conquistadors

"I'm parked over by the commissary..."

-Cortes, to "La Malinche"

(or maybe it was from Blazing Saddles, I get those two things mixed up all the time)

524 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:25pm

re: #497 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lots of horny Conquistadors

* * * * *
As I said, Conquistadores generally were single men encouraged by their country and Church to marry and procreate with the women of the New World, for the greater glory of Spain.

The Caliphate's spread from Iraq to Spain for 800 years of islamization, was probably their example!

525 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:39pm

re: #469 taxfreekiller

avanti?

How you going to play the hyper inflation Obama is about to cause?

I think we can wait until that happens before I expend much effort discussing it. It's like me asking how you how you'll deal with the upcoming end to the recession.

526 calcajun  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:41pm

re: #519 solomonpanting

Part of me is afraid to answer.

That's OK, part of me was afraid to write it./

527 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:47pm

re: #509 HoosierHoops

Wonderful! don't forget a scrapbook..It means alot to kids!
Congrads!

The Kid's life is documented not quite as thoroughly as Prince William's life.

528 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:06:55pm

re: #520 calcajun

THAT'S what they WANT you think. Does his spine glow during sex? Have you ever seen it? You can't say it doesn't, can you?///

Frak no, nor do I want to.

529 bungie  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:07:26pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

We used to watch Fox every night but shut it off completely seven months ago. I have not seen it since. Before that we were dissatisfied for some time. We thought Hannity was repetitious and not smart (I liked to look at him with no sound though) and Bill "I went to Harvard too" O'Reilly was an arrogant idiot. For that matter I can't stand whiny, wimpy Anderson Cooper either. Last June, we canceled the New York Times and the local paper. We have two computers set up at our breakfast table. I go to aggregate sites and use the links on LGF constantly throughout the day. I listen to Dennis Prager/Michael Medved/Hugh Hewitt on talk radio all day everyday and occasionally exercise to Dennis Miller who cracks me up. I read the Weekly Standard. We are at least as well informed as anyone else.

Generally, I decided the MSM are low-intellect propagandists with one viewpoint. I refuse to pay for propaganda. This past weekend I did see a Sunday New York Times and I enjoyed reading an op-ed defending Edmund Andrews who recently wrote a revealing expose of his personal credit crisis, Maureen Dowd who recently plagiarized and Thomas Friedman who accepted an improper and unethical speaking fee. In all three cases it was bloggers who "caught" them and did the research that exposed their foibles!HA!

530 Velvet Elvis  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:07:30pm

OT: TN-Gov Bredeson vetoed a bill that would allow people to carry guns in bars. I'm a strong second amendment supporter but I think he did right here. This woulda just led to bodies.
[Link: blogs.tennessean.com...]

531 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:07:36pm

re: #238 jhrhv

In the world we live in right now, being an independent is a good thing!

532 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:07:49pm

re: #324 MacDuff

I think that it's when they went so far left that they needed to do something to at least look like sensible people. The radical left has been in control for so long that the number of moderates who speak their minds could have a meeting in hotel room.

They go on and on about JFK, but JFK wouldn't have anything to do with these people.

I hear what your saying. But doesn't the idea that because the Democrat's ideology is so far left that they had to adopt sophisticated propaganda techniques, require that the Democrats be a single organism subject to evolution that the GOP is immune to? In reality, Democratic operatives, supporters, etc... went to the same schools, lived in the same towns, etc... as Republicans.

533 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:08:00pm

re: #507 gtrs

the reason the republicans are not getting their message out is because they are too obsessed with "proving" the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA was born on mars or some such other planet........../

Yes, all Republicans are Nirthers. Every last one of them. It's completely the first plank of party platform.

534 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:08:21pm

re: #511 Macker

At least he isn't a Cylon.

And do you have proof of that?

535 bungie  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:08:36pm

re: #335 reine.de.tout

me too.

536 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:08:41pm

re: #525 avanti

I think we can wait until that happens before I expend much effort discussing it. It's like me asking how you how you'll deal with the upcoming end to the recession.

I'm going to Disneyland.

/your turn

537 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:08:58pm

re: #513 Conservative Moonbat

Yes. That's exactly what Fox News needed for me to start taking them seriously. Tucker Carlson. Win for them!

* * * * *
I found him smart, personable, polite, and a good father who took his children to church. But that's just me.

538 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:09:14pm

re: #522 Charles

I'm frankly embarrassed and very disappointed that the link to American Thinker's Cashill article got 20 up-dings before I deleted it.

American Thinker is off the LGF list of news sources. By publishing that garbage, they've put themselves on the same plane as World Net Daily.

The sickness is spreading.

I have TONS of AT links that I got here. To the best of my recollection, the Ayers' nonsense was a flash in the pan a long, long time ago.

Am I wrong?

Are there other things that about which AT has screwed the pooch?

539 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:09:15pm

re: #504 Charles

ok, ok, calm down. no sense rationally discussing something.

540 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:09:40pm

re: #525 avanti

I think we can wait until that happens before I expend much effort discussing it. It's like me asking how you how you'll deal with the upcoming end to the recession.

Yeah, you need time to get your talking points.

541 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:09:42pm

re: #533 OldLineTexan

Yes, all Republicans are Nirthers. Every last one of them. It's completely the first plank of party platform.

[Taps on OldLineTexan's shoulder] Um, 'scuse me. I'm a Republican, and do you see me subscribe to that Nirther bullshit?

542 American Sabra  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:09:47pm

re: #523 Occasional Reader

"I'm parked over by the commissary..."

-Cortes, to "La Malinche"

(or maybe it was from Blazing Saddles, I get those two things mixed up all the time)

It was Blazing Saddles, but it works here so well, I'll go with it!

543 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:09:59pm

re: #530 Conservative Moonbat

OT: TN-Gov Bredeson vetoed a bill that would allow people to carry guns in bars. I'm a strong second amendment supporter but I think he did right here. This woulda just led to bodies.
[Link: blogs.tennessean.com...]

Alcohol and guns do not mix ... and if your stir your Old Fashioned with the barrel of your Super Blackhawk, it will just taste funny.

544 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:10:03pm

re: #242 FurryOldGuyJeans

The philosophy the Dems subscribe to. Personal freedom and responsibility, let alone smaller government and fiscal responsibility, are not something amenable to the brain-washing media mantras.

I must disagree with you wholeheartedly, Furry. If not for the Republicans' skillful "media mantras," how come 50% of the country never figured out before 2008 that the Bush administration was not in the business of personal freedom, or smaller government, or fiscal responsibility? How could they hide it for so long? This didn't all happen in three months time.

545 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:10:05pm

re: #538 MandyManners

I have TONS of AT links that I got here. To the best of my recollection, the Ayers' nonsense was a flash in the pan a long, long time ago.

Am I wrong?

Are there other things about which AT has screwed the pooch?

546 CynicalConservative  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:10:15pm

re: #539 dwdw49

ok, ok, calm down. no sense rationally discussing something.

Bye now.

547 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:10:15pm

re: #534 MacDuff

And do you have proof of that?

I can separate truth from fiction.

548 dapperdave  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:10:44pm

re: #539 dwdw49

see ya

549 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:10:47pm

re: #539 dwdw49

Why don't you shut the fuck up?

550 Bloodnok  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:10:52pm

re: #539 dwdw49

Can I have some of whatever it is you've had too much of?

551 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:11:15pm

re: #541 Macker

[Taps on OldLineTexan's shoulder] Um, 'scuse me. I'm a Republican, and do you see me subscribe to that Nirther bullshit?

shhhh, i'm playing along with gtrs

552 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:11:28pm

re: #539 dwdw49

ok, ok, calm down. no sense rationally discussing something.

You spew crap, nothing rational yet.

553 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:11:30pm

“To those – to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America’s beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.”
-Barack Obama, 11-04-08

"I hope he fails"
-Rush Limbaugh, 01-16-09

554 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:11:36pm

re: #522 Charles

I'm frankly embarrassed and very disappointed that the link to American Thinker's Cashill article got 20 up-dings before I deleted it.

American Thinker is off the LGF list of news sources. By publishing that garbage, they've put themselves on the same plane as World Net Daily.

The sickness is spreading.

I dropped them when they started publishing geller and west articles.

555 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:11:47pm

re: #549 MandyManners

Why don't you shut the fuck up?

Wait, wait, wait for it.....

The whistle through the air.... the satisfying thud of solid contact!

556 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:11:49pm

re: #539 dwdw49

ok, ok, calm down. no sense rationally discussing something.

You want to rationally discuss nirtherism? They have no rationality.

557 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:12:07pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

It has been said that the Republicans are the stupid Party. The Democrats are the evil Party. While that is a bit simplistic, it seems to be dead on much of the time. [...]

Right. Republicans' worst sin: being dumb. Democrats don't need to sin because they're evil to begin with.

From my vantage point, I'd say that there's plenty of stupidity and evil to go around in both of the two great American parties.

But don't let that keep you from being, as I called it in another thread, stuck on simple.

558 capitalist piglet  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:12:07pm

re: #17 zombie

Now you've gone and done it.

559 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:12:30pm

re: #549 MandyManners

Why don't you shut the fuck up?

Here Mandy, give him some of this....

560 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:12:56pm

re: #541 Macker

[Taps on OldLineTexan's shoulder] Um, 'scuse me. I'm a Republican, and do you see me subscribe to that Nirther bullshit?

[claps hand on Macker's shoulder while maintaining other hand underneath untucked oversize shirt in area of waistband] And you realize Tex was being sarcastic, right?


/gotcherback, Tex

561 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:09pm

re: #522 Charles

I'm frankly embarrassed and very disappointed that the link to American Thinker's Cashill article got 20 up-dings before I deleted it.

American Thinker is off the LGF list of news sources. By publishing that garbage, they've put themselves on the same plane as World Net Daily.

The sickness is spreading.

They've gone off the rails, too. It's like all those stupid emailed chain letters people send me. Good grief.

562 calcajun  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:14pm

re: #547 Macker

I can separate truth from fiction.

Well, where's the fun in that?/

563 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:15pm

re: #539 dwdw49

Well skippy..Let's talk..I'll start off...It's easier that way..
Fuck you...
your turn pal

564 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:27pm

re: #539 dwdw49

Something tells me you don't really want to be here all that much.

565 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:31pm

re: #518 J.S.

I've also heard (this was from a Communist history prof) that America established a hierarchy through skin color, whereas in Mexico (due to the Spanish conquest) the hierarchy was established contingent on speaking fluent Spanish...

* * * *
Fidel Castro the Communist is a racist ruler, though he took all the wealthy white people's property.

Plenty of Central and South American people who are indigenous (and probably don't speak, read or write standard Spanish to this day) believe color is still a huge barrier in their countries, as Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez keep saying. But Brazil's Lula is equally racist, saying the global meltdown was caused by blond blue eyed people.

I don't know for sure. But the US still has the most social, economic and personal mobility for people of all colors, races, creeds.

566 snowcrash  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:39pm

re: #554 Thanos
Are they the site Rich Lowery writes for?

567 mich-again  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:43pm

re: #500 MandyManners

Yesterday I volunteered to be the coach my 14 YO's Little League team. We open Saturday with a doubleheader and have 22 games in 30 days. I just got the roster today and we will have our first game in 2 days without ever having a practice. Wheee!

Actually I am looking forward to this challenge. OK who wants to play what position? Can any of you pitch?

568 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:48pm

re: #256 justdanny

OK......So you're saying that you might be a.....Romulan. Now, and this is very very important......Do you weigh more than a duck?

569 irongrampa  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:49pm

re: #512 Thanos

Can't link, but try Chryslerdealershipshutdownblogspot.com--that's where I started on this, there's other links there.

If you already haven't done so, that is.

570 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:51pm

re: #553 Jimmah

“To those – to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America’s beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.”
-Barack Obama, 11-04-08

"I hope he fails"
-Rush Limbaugh, 01-16-09

You are talking Obama at face value - do you really think he believes those things?

571 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:13:56pm

re: #530 Conservative Moonbat

OT: TN-Gov Bredeson vetoed a bill that would allow people to carry guns in bars. I'm a strong second amendment supporter but I think he did right here. This woulda just led to bodies.
[Link: blogs.tennessean.com...]

But armed drunks would thin out the mean drinker population and avoid broken beer bottles and bar stools, why use a bottle when you have a 38 ?

572 Macker  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:14:01pm

re: #560 Occasional Reader

Yeeee-HAWWWWWW!

573 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:14:34pm

re: #550 Bloodnok

Can I have some of whatever it is you've had too much of?

I think he's suffering from too few of these:

Image: neuron_parts.gif

574 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:14:50pm

re: #549 MandyManners

ms manners, gladly, if you will only explain how.

575 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:15:05pm

re: #498 FurryOldGuyJeans

Bias will blow your socks off on just how pervasive and perverted the bias in the FMSM really is.

Don't get me wrong, I have no respect for most of the media at least as far as tv is concerned. I think it is trite and targeted to people with very short attention spans. Assuming the MSM (I see your F, don't know what it stands for) is biased against the GOP, how much does it matter? No question tv was at one point extremely important to people for forming opinions. Is this as true today? Is there anywhere near the same respect for nightly news for example as say, in 1970? And hasn't the internet cancelled out the effect of tv/newspaper bias?

576 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:15:10pm

re: #573 Jimmah

I blame the easy availability of Robert Ludlum novels in the airports.

577 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:15:17pm

re: #539 dwdw49

ok, ok, calm down. no sense rationally discussing something.

Someone oil the trap door, I can hear it opening.

578 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:15:17pm

re: #539 dwdw49

Missing sarc tag? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

579 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:15:52pm

re: #565 alegrias

Plenty of Central and South American people who are indigenous (and probably don't speak, read or write standard Spanish to this day) believe color is still a huge barrier in their countries

Uh, roger that.

580 freetoken  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:15:54pm

re: #569 irongrampa

You forgot a "." .

581 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:15:59pm

re: #544 ShanghaiEd

I must disagree with you wholeheartedly, Furry. If not for the Republicans' skillful "media mantras," how come 50% of the country never figured out before 2008 that the Bush administration was not in the business of personal freedom, or smaller government, or fiscal responsibility? How could they hide it for so long? This didn't all happen in three months time.

Disagree all you want, the Republicans have never been the recipients of a friendly media for many a decade now.

582 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:16:22pm

re: #533 OldLineTexan

Yes, all Republicans are Nirthers. Every last one of them. It's completely the first plank of party platform.

* * * *
thank you for pointing out how some folks generalize to ridiculous extremes.

583 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:16:34pm

re: #567 mich-again

Yesterday I volunteered to be the coach my 14 YO's Little League team. We open Saturday with a doubleheader and have 22 games in 30 days. I just got the roster today and we will have our first game in 2 days without ever having a practice. Wheee!

Actually I am looking forward to this challenge. OK who wants to play what position? Can any of you pitch?

*fanning self*

584 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:16:43pm

re: #572 Macker

Yeeee-HAWWWWWW!

Man, it was MY turn to ride the damned bomb!

/

585 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:16:48pm

dwdw49 is a Nirther too, of course.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

586 Syrah  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:17:11pm

re: #17 zombie

You might have to start working with a concealed camera from now on.

From that Report, you may have as much to fear from the cops who have been embarrassed as from the wackos that you exposed.

587 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:17:14pm

re: #581 FurryOldGuyJeans

Disagree all you want, the Republicans have never been the recipients of a friendly media for many a decade now.

Ask Goldwater.......

588 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:17:18pm

re: #510 MandyManners

Alas, even that would not work.

/What about Barry Manilow?

589 irongrampa  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:17:23pm

re: #580 freetoken

Poop.

590 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:17:27pm

re: #570 ArrowSmith

You are talking Obama at face value - do you really think he believes those things?

I'm not. I'm thinking about how the 'debate' in the current political scene looks to non partisan observers, and questioning the wisdom of the GOP's negativity.

591 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:17:41pm

We've been told trillions of times not to exaggerate.

592 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:18:13pm

re: #585 Charles

dwdw49 is a Nirther too, of course.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

So much for the benefit of the doubt.

593 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:18:22pm

re: #572 Macker

Yeeee-HAWWWWWW!

That's the spirit!

-Roy Batty, Blade Runner

594 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:18:27pm

re: #553 Jimmah

“To those – to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America’s beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.”
-Barack Obama, 11-04-08

"I hope he fails"
-Rush Limbaugh, 01-16-09


I'll even concede that Rush might even be wrong in this instance (this time). While Obama may sound good in this instance (this time), he's absolutely bad for America whilst Rush is mostly good for her.

595 dapperdave  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:18:42pm

Hey dwdw49 so what if bo wasn't born in the U.S. who cares!

596 irongrampa  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:18:59pm

I thought I did pretty good, for someone born analog and dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age.

So much for that, i guess.

597 gmsc  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:19:05pm

re: #415 Occasional Reader

Oh, but that can't be right... commentator Fred Fisk on NPR this morning said that a "pandemic" is, by definition, global, and therefore "global pandemic" is redundant. And it's NPR, so it must be true.

/

So, "epi"demics only concern skin diseases, then?

///

598 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:19:26pm

re: #533 OldLineTexan

Yes, all Republicans are Nirthers. Every last one of them. It's completely the first plank of party platform.

Hey, don't forget, we're all Stormfronters, too.

599 quickjustice  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:19:41pm

re: #518 J.S.

Early Americans distinguished "white" and "black" for statistical record-keeping purposes. There were complex formulas for determining what percentage of black blood made a person of mixed race "black". The record-keeping continued even after slavery was abolished. Hispanic didn't fit either category well, so they ended up lumped with "white".

600 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:19:51pm

re: #585 Charles

dwdw49 is a Nirther too, of course.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

(Gomer Pyle voice): Sur-prize, sur-prize, sur-prize!

/ well, not really.

601 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:20:38pm

re: #598 Ward Cleaver

Hey, don't forget, we're all Stormfronters, too.

Jawohl, mein Kapitan!

602 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:21:11pm

re: #595 dapperdave

just the constitution, but you're right, who cares about that.

603 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:21:43pm

re: #595 dapperdave

Hey dwdw49 so what if bo wasn't born in the U.S. who cares!

Matters as much as John McCain having been born in the Panama Canal Zone.

604 solomonpanting  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:22:17pm

re: #553 Jimmah

To those – to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America’s beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.”-Barack Obama, 11-04-08

I want to redistribute the wealth.
I want socialized medicine.
I want to regulate carbon emissions.
I want to destroy the coal industry.
I want to tell auto companies what to build.

-Barack Obama

"I hope he fails"
-Rush Limbaugh, 01-16-09

Makes sense now.

605 dapperdave  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:22:52pm

re: #603 FurryOldGuyJeans

Under the U.S. flag of course.

606 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:22:57pm

re: #599 quickjustice

Early Americans distinguished "white" and "black" for statistical record-keeping purposes. There were complex formulas for determining what percentage of black blood made a person of mixed race "black". The record-keeping continued even after slavery was abolished. Hispanic didn't fit either category well, so they ended up lumped with "white".

"Statistical record-keeping purposes" makes it sound so innocent. Kind of like the statistics those funny old Nazis used to keep, on Jews, Gypsies, "anti-social elements" and so forth.

And if I recall correctly, the formula for determining who was black (or at least not white enough to be admitted to the full benefits of citizenship) was not very complex at all.

One drop.

One.

Drop.

Of black blood.

Was. All. It. Took.

607 gmsc  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:22:59pm

re: #602 dwdw49

just the constitution, but you're right, who cares about that.

Just a question here, but would somebody remind me which U.S. state McCain was born in?

608 Mich-again  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:23:12pm

re: #602 dwdw49

just the constitution, but you're right, who cares about that.

Where does the Constitution define Natural Born Citizen?

609 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:23:44pm

Can I take it as likely that dwdw49 is in deep poo?

610 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:24:03pm

re: #522 Charles

I have to confess that at one point in my life, I actually bought into that crap. As a matter of fact, I've been on vacation this week and have been going through a lot of books from that period and cleansing my bookshelves of them.

Whenever there's a difference of opinion, there's a huckster waiting to take advantage and construct an elaborate conspiracy theory to soil the other side. Being wary of the hucksters is a sign of the begetting of wisdom.

611 quickjustice  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #602 dwdw49

The unfounded rumors that President Obama wasn't born in the U.S. have been discredited repeatedly. It's a huge distraction from important issues to continue to argue them, and it hurts the legitimate cause of conservatives.

612 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:24:33pm

re: #607 gmsc

Just a question here, but would somebody remind me which U.S. state McCain was born in?

That Panama Canal Zone state.

613 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:24:38pm

re: #609 ArrowSmith

"Waist deep in the big muddy."

614 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:24:39pm

re: #530 Conservative Moonbat

OT: TN-Gov Bredeson vetoed a bill that would allow people to carry guns in bars. I'm a strong second amendment supporter but I think he did right here. This woulda just led to bodies.
[Link: blogs.tennessean.com...]

I was born and raised there and I take an interest in its politics.

Bredeson signed it in order to avert the wrath of the voters toward the Democrats. Last November, Tennessee became a solid Red-majority State, from the general assembly to the U.S. Senate to the White House.

615 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:25:01pm

re: #612 FurryOldGuyJeans

That Panama Canal Zone state.

Is that one of the 57 states?

616 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:25:09pm

UNCLE.

617 freetoken  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:25:10pm

re: #602 dwdw49

Which part of the state of Hawaii is now outside the US? I must have missed that in geography class...

618 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:25:39pm

re: #615 ArrowSmith

Is that one of the 57 states?

I guess it is.

619 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:25:45pm

Obama's states come in 57 varieties... like Heinz ketchup.

620 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:25:47pm

re: #532 Flyers1974 yea; the commies took over the democratic party; now, about that 10 MILLION vote victory for those same commies last november........../

621 quickjustice  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:26:01pm

re: #606 Cato the Elder

I don't condone it, nor do I seek to make it seem "innocent". It was a legacy of slavery that wasn't abandoned for many years thereafter.

622 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:26:01pm

re: #612 FurryOldGuyJeans

That Panama Canal Zone state.

Not one of the 57 though is it?

623 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:26:06pm

not a state, panama canal zone, under US jurisdiction. they asked for his BC, he showed it. controversy over. OK, lets just see BO's. controversy over.

624 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:26:14pm

Good night.

625 eddiespaghetti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:26:15pm

Pressure our ally Isreal on settlements, F Korea, F Iran, this is some bass akwards stuff going on right here.

626 dapperdave  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:26:16pm

re: #602 dwdw49

loooong shot, getting b.o. out of office because of a nirth certificate, there was one produced from the state of Hawaii, if I'm not mistaking.

627 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:26:19pm

re: #341 OldLineTexan

Once the race trump is broken, it's an open card game.

I am of mixed opinion on it.

The Dems invented the modern version of this particular dirty game; what goes around comes around. This is why I wish the Repubs would have behaved better when they had the upper hand.

I swear, the FedGov is worse than a seventh-grade love triangle.

Wait...you're saying the Democrats invented the "Southern Strategy"? I thought that was the GOP. Are you familiar with the history of the Dixiecrats, and how they all ended up Republicans?

628 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:26:59pm

re: #539 dwdw49

It would appear that that cup of STFU didn't appeal to you. Too bad, it would have done you some good.

629 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:00pm

re: #599 quickjustice

Oh, I see. (I think that that was part of the Communist prof's argument -- in the United States, the races were kept strictly segregated -- it was illegal for whites to intermarry, etc. While in Mexico, there was lots of intermarriage with Native Indians, Africans, etc., producing a range of skin color, from black to brown, to white, so language (speaking Spanish) became the defining criteria for "elitism" in Mexico. or that was the gist of the argument).

630 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:01pm

re: #604 solomonpanting

Makes sense now.

One good paragraph wipes out a lifetime of radical leftist community organizing!

Here I have a nice cup of kool-aid, hope-n-change flavored!

/;-P

631 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:09pm

re: #609 ArrowSmith

really deep, i still believe in the constitution, how foolish

632 freetoken  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:15pm

re: #623 dwdw49

Is it stubbornness, or ignorance? .... I can't tell which.

633 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:22pm

re: #623 dwdw49

not a state, panama canal zone, under US jurisdiction. they asked for his BC, he showed it. controversy over. OK, lets just see BO's. controversy over.

link please, then send this nut on his way.

634 neocon hippie  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:22pm

Can anyone shed light as to whether Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans and other non-Puerto Rican Hispanics will automatically support Sotomayor because like them she's descended from Spanish speakers, despite the large cultrual differences among those who are lumped together as Hispanics? And therefore will disdain the GOP if they were to fight her nomination to any degree? I don't know enough about the cultures in the Hispanic category to have much of a clue.

635 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:32pm

OT

Ms. Bertha Lewis CEO & Chief Organizer of ACORN is back on Fox News (repeat of O'Reilly earlier tonight) saying she doesn't tolerate "misdoings" by ACORN, and that they protect children from lead poisoning.

The other ACORN lady is a board member, the blind Rev. Swieringa, who says ACORN helps level the playing field and to give all God's children something or other!

636 Bloodnok  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:34pm

re: #602 dwdw49

just the constitution, but you're right, who cares about that.

Can you do a rendition of "Hawaiian Newspaper Birth Announcement Debunking" for poor old Bloodnok? I love that tune.

Come on, give it a whirl.

637 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:39pm

re: #599 quickjustice

Early Americans distinguished "white" and "black" for statistical record-keeping purposes. There were complex formulas for determining what percentage of black blood made a person of mixed race "black". The record-keeping continued even after slavery was abolished. Hispanic didn't fit either category well, so they ended up lumped with "white".

The Spanish had a system, too:

The interest of the Spanish Enlightenment in organizing knowledge and scientific description, resulted in the commission of series of pictures that document the racial combinations that existed in the exotic lands that Spain possessed on the other side of the world. Many sets of these paintings still exist (around one hundred complete sets in museums and private collections and many more individual paintings), of varying artistic quality, usually consisting of sixteen paintings representing as many racial combinations. Some of the finer sets were done by prominent Mexican artists, such as Miguel Cabrera.

The overall themes that emerge in these paintings are the "supremacy of the Spaniards," the possibility that Indians could become Spaniards through miscegenation with Spaniards and the "regression to an earlier moment of racial development" that mixing with Blacks would cause to Spaniards. These series generally depict the descendants of Indians becoming Spaniards after three generations of intermarriage with Spaniards


[Link: wapedia.mobi...]

638 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:45pm

re: #626 dapperdave

loooong shot, getting b.o. out of office because of a nirth certificate, there was one produced from the state of Hawaii, if I'm not mistaking.

Not the one the nirthers were looking for. They wanted proof he wasn't born to a US citizen.

639 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:27:48pm
640 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:28:08pm

re: #607 gmsc

Just a question here, but would somebody remind me which U.S. state McCain was born in?

* * * *
The US base in Panama. In an American military hospital.

641 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:28:18pm

re: #588 NY Nana

Alas, even that would not work.

/What about Barry Manilow?

Sentence him to a weekend in New England?


642 Bloodnok  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:28:34pm

re: #639 InfidelTexan

NO! InfidelTexan is leaving! Nooooo!

///

643 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:29:02pm

re: #639 InfidelTexan

Try not logging in next time. Do it yourself banning. Why is this so difficult?

644 [deleted]  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:29:17pm
645 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:29:36pm

re: #617 freetoken
never said that. long form is all i am looking for. would it surprise you to know i am a supporter of BO? yes, as long as he is elegible. is jenny granholm or arnold?

646 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:29:39pm

re: #632 freetoken

Is it stubbornness, or ignorance? .... I can't tell which.

Why not both? Only stubbornness can achieve the level of ignorant idiocy this one is displaying.

647 JohnAdams  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:29:42pm

Just jumped in, and have not read any of the comments, but even mentioning the comments section on a YouTube video, whether to support or defeat an argument, is not even worth the ink.

YouTube commentators are almost always half-wit dolts from anywhere on earth and give one serious pause when contemplating the idea of Democracy.

648 solomonpanting  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:29:44pm

re: #639 InfidelTexan

Sadly, though, I no longer wish to be part of what once was a thriving lizard community

Upon what do you base your assertion that it's no long thriving?

649 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:04pm

This just in: Marcus Epstein, executive director of Pat Buchanan's "The American Cause" and Tom Tancredo's Team America PAC, and founder of "Youth for Western Civilization," is going to be sentenced on July 8th for verbally and physically assaulting a black woman in Washington DC in 2007.

According to documents obtained from District of Columbia's Superior Court, Epstein, 25, must appear before Judge Wendell P. Gardner on July 8 for sentencing after pleading guilty to simple assault charges stemming from an incident during the early evening hours of July 7, 2007. The documents state that Epstein was walking down the street making offensive remarks when he encountered the victim, called her the "N-word" and struck her in her head. He was briefly detained by the woman's husband, but was able to escape, only to be arrested minutes later by a Secret Service officer who witnessed the attack. According to the officer's statement, a friend of Epstein's informed him that he had been drinking.

A restraining order to stay away from the couple has been imposed on Epstein. He currently faces a maximum punishment of 180 days in jail and $1000 fine and also had to continue mental health treatment, complete an alcohol treatment program, write a letter of apology to the victim and donate $1000 to the United Negro College Fund prior to sentencing.

650 theheat  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:04pm

re: #643 Sharmuta

It lacks the graceful arc of a dying swan.

651 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:10pm

re: #632 freetoken

Is it stubbornness, or ignorance? .... I can't tell which.

A massive cocktail of each, in equal parts.

652 CynicalConservative  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:18pm

re: #639 InfidelTexan

Um, yeah. Grow a pair. I'd ask what your sacred cow was but you'll be gone before you can reply.

653 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:22pm

re: #648 solomonpanting

Upon what do you base your assertion that it's no long thriving?

Supposedly since all the Paulbots went to another site, it's not thriving anymore. Wishful thinking on their part.

654 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:34pm

re: #595 dapperdave

Hey dwdw49 so what if bo wasn't born in the U.S. who cares!

Oh, for fuck's sake.

655 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:36pm

re: #627 ShanghaiEd

Wait...you're saying the Democrats invented the "Southern Strategy"? I thought that was the GOP. Are you familiar with the history of the Dixiecrats, and how they all ended up Republicans?

Do you have an idea of what I am talking about, and how far off it you are?

As to your last question ... why, yes, I am. There didn't used to be a Republican in Texas. Then the Democrat Party more or less left, except for the big cities and a few other spots.

However, once again, the post you quote was about the minority party being mean and nasty to SCOTUS nominees. I don't know what you're "following up" here.

656 Flyers1974  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:37pm

re: #634 neocon hippie

Can anyone shed light as to whether Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans and other non-Puerto Rican Hispanics will automatically support Sotomayor because like them she's descended from Spanish speakers, despite the large cultrual differences among those who are lumped together as Hispanics? And therefore will disdain the GOP if they were to fight her nomination to any degree? I don't know enough about the cultures in the Hispanic category to have much of a clue.

Latinos tend to be democratic as we all know. I doubt they will turn further against the GOP due to opposition to Sotomayor at least not to a significant degree. In other words, a year form now, it won't matter.

657 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:30:40pm

re: #639 InfidelTexan

Such an impatient lad. Now he'll never know how the movie turned out.

658 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:06pm

re: #602 dwdw49

just the constitution, but you're right, who cares about that.

You do understand his Hawaii Birth Certificate has been certified by the State of Hawaii.

In a court it would be game, set and match to Obama.

Pushing it only makes folks look nuttier than the troofer, chemtrail, sprinkler rainbow crowd.

659 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:08pm

re: #639 InfidelTexan

Damn, you sure flounce well.

660 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:16pm

re: #628 MacDuff

how so?

661 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:44pm

re: #639 InfidelTexan

Bye now! Sorry, your dramatic flounce-off comment has been deleted.

662 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:44pm

re: #533 OldLineTexan
really? was the nirther plank the first plank? i thought it was teaching creationism was the first plank; those tricky republicans........../

663 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:46pm

Quote not the flouncy.

664 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:51pm

re: #643 Sharmuta

Try not logging in next time. Do it yourself banning. Why is this so difficult?

Please don't tell me we're losing another non-contributing nirther!/

665 formercorpsman  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:51pm

re: #649 Charles

Sounds like some folks are already on his trail.

666 Gus  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:31:56pm

re: #657 unrealizedviewpoint

Such an impatient lad. Now he'll never know how the movie turned out.

Yeah, he just walked out the door.

Little did he know was that it was an inflight movie.

//

667 CynicalConservative  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:32:00pm

re: #652 CynicalConservative

Grrrrr, forgot to downding before it was flushed.

668 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:32:02pm

re: #566 snowcrash

Are they the site Rich Lowery writes for?

Dunno, but a long time ago I wrote an article for them. They've changed a bit the past couple of years.

669 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:32:05pm

re: #602 dwdw49

just the constitution, but you're right, who cares about that.

Dude ..you are entering Hall of Shame territory..
Of course the voters have to agree on the following..
1. Longevity ..you are getting there..
2. Most downdings per post..MDPP ave..you are doing great
3. Flameout potential ...don't forget ..originality count!
4. Breaking the rules don't count..You can't come here wishing to blow up Vegas...
5. Remember only Champions make it to the hall..You got to make our jaw drop more than once..You got to bring your F game.
6. As is customary..you need 75% of the lizard vote to enter these hollowed grounds..

670 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:32:34pm

The Paulbots are leaving, how horrible!

671 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:32:38pm

re: #649 Charles

This just in: Marcus Epstein, executive director of Pat Buchanan's "The American Cause" and Tom Tancredo's Team America PAC, and founder of "Youth for Western Civilization," is going to be sentenced on July 8th for verbally and physically assaulting a black woman in Washington DC in 2007.

Do they really call it "Team America"?

Satire is lost on these people.

672 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:32:38pm

re: #624 Occasional Reader

Good night.

Later, toots.

673 Buck  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:33:01pm

re: #504 Charles

10,000-foot heap of unwashed, reeking, 100-proof crap

Probably a great rotating title. It certainly speaks to me.

674 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:33:11pm

re: #602 dwdw49

GAZE

675 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:33:17pm

re: #670 ArrowSmith

They're off to count that gold piece.

676 quickjustice  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:33:21pm

re: #629 J.S.

Miscegenation may have been illegal in the U.S., and particularly in the South, but virtually every American black who is a descendant of slaves has some white blood. The reality is that there was extensive "interaction" between the races.

The Spaniards also were racists. The more pure-blooded a "Spaniard" was, the higher his/her social status. Indians were lowest caste, and mestizo, in between. Indians spoke their own indigenous languages, and still do to this day. I suppose speaking Spanish would improve social status in a Latin American country, but I'm not sure what point your communist professor was making.

677 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:33:25pm

re: #643 Sharmuta

Try not logging in next time. Do it yourself banning. Why is this so difficult?

No flair, either. By God, Texans have flair. That boy ain't right. 3 outta 10.

678 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:33:36pm

re: #634 neocon hippie

Can anyone shed light as to whether Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans and other non-Puerto Rican Hispanics will automatically support Sotomayor because like them she's descended from Spanish speakers, despite the large cultrual differences among those who are lumped together as Hispanics? And therefore will disdain the GOP if they were to fight her nomination to any degree? I don't know enough about the cultures in the Hispanic category to have much of a clue.

* * * * *
I'm Hispanic but don't think you can generalize about party preferences of all the spanish speakers. Some of us are culturally more conservative, or are more educated, or have higher incomes, or are not union members, or are self-employed, or have ESCAPED from Communist regimes and can't be fooled again.

679 AMER1CAN  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:33:46pm

Wait, I didn't get to ask if he was also leaving Texas! We need less idiots here.

680 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:33:56pm

re: #643 Sharmuta

Try not logging in next time. Do it yourself banning. Why is this so difficult?

They always have to leave a suicide note, I guess.

681 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:34:05pm

re: #673 Buck

Probably a great rotating title. It certainly speaks to me.

100 proof is only 50%...

What the other half?

682 solomonpanting  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:34:07pm

re: #649 Charles

According to the officer's statement, a friend of Epstein's informed him that he had been drinking.

Bar hopping with Randi Rhodes?

683 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:34:10pm

re: #645 dwdw49

Can you keep your talking points straight? You might actually sound less of a raving lunatic if you do.

684 Syrah  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:34:35pm

re: #634 neocon hippie

Can anyone shed light as to whether Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans and other non-Puerto Rican Hispanics will automatically support Sotomayor because like them she's descended from Spanish speakers, despite the large cultrual differences among those who are lumped together as Hispanics? And therefore will disdain the GOP if they were to fight her nomination to any degree? I don't know enough about the cultures in the Hispanic category to have much of a clue.

They are not monolithic like that.

Those that are Democrats or lean that way will support her because she was nominated by a Democrat.

If ethnicity was a free pass, then it would have worked for Bush.

Party is what matters.

685 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:34:46pm

re: #661 Charles

Bye now! Sorry, your dramatic flounce-off comment has been deleted.

The grill is being prepped for one troll with another to come perhaps. I'll now take soda and side dish orders.

686 theheat  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:34:48pm

re: #679 AMER1CAN

I hear there may be an opening on the school board...

687 dapperdave  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:35:10pm

re: #638 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even if they get "proof" it would be next to impossible to remove him from office, besides the nirth cert from Hawaii settles the issue.

688 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:35:16pm

re: #658 jcm

great, really great, then he should have no problem releaseing the long form. shouldn't we be allowed to see any public record of our public officials? if not, why not?

689 quickjustice  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:35:20pm

re: #634 neocon hippie

I lived in Miami for ten years. I assure you that there is intense rivalry and jealousy among Hispanic groups. Cubans despise Puerto Ricans, for example, and vice versa. Sotomayor is popular only among Puerto Ricans. That's it.

690 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:35:27pm

re: #649 Charles

This just in: Marcus Epstein, executive director of Pat Buchanan's "The American Cause" and Tom Tancredo's Team America PAC, and founder of "Youth for Western Civilization," is going to be sentenced on July 8th for verbally and physically assaulting a black woman in Washington DC in 2007.

Postworthy

691 Gus  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:35:45pm

re: #649 Charles

This just in: Marcus Epstein, executive director of Pat Buchanan's "The American Cause" and Tom Tancredo's Team America PAC, and founder of "Youth for Western Civilization," is going to be sentenced on July 8th for verbally and physically assaulting a black woman in Washington DC in 2007.

Marcus Yung-gyu Epstein?

692 Mich-again  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:35:50pm

re: #631 dwdw49

really deep, i still believe in the constitution, how foolish

So where in the Constitution does it define "Natural born citizen"? And seeing as you can't find a definition there, what is it that makes you think the Constitution supports your claim that Barrack Obama is ineligible for office.

693 MandyManners  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:35:56pm

re: #649 Charles

This just in: Marcus Epstein, executive director of Pat Buchanan's "The American Cause" and Tom Tancredo's Team America PAC, and founder of "Youth for Western Civilization," is going to be sentenced on July 8th for verbally and physically assaulting a black woman in Washington DC in 2007.

EAT IT, PAT! YOU TOO, TOM!

694 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:35:59pm

re: #649 Charles

I see he's another good friend of De Winter, Vlaams Belang too.

695 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:36:15pm

re: #662 gtrs

really? was the nirther plank the first plank? i thought it was teaching creationism was the first plank; those tricky republicans........../

It's spelled tricksy, pay attention.

696 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:36:20pm

What makes one a nirther, anti-semite, general loon? What's wrong with these people?

697 Jack Burton  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:36:43pm

re: #639 InfidelTexan

Unfortunate direction... you mean "not coming completely unglued over overblown or asinine shit and acting just like the moonbat lefties that we screamed bloody murder about for 8 years when they had Bush Derangement Syndrome"

Well don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'm sure one of the Blogs chock full of nuts, nirthers, nazi-apologists, young earth creationists, or Paulestinian jew-banker conspiracy theorists will welcome you with open arms.

698 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:37:01pm

re: #688 dwdw49

Because its his choice. He wants to keep his private files private. As an American, that is his right.

699 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:37:02pm

re: #649 Charles

This just in: Marcus Epstein, executive director of Pat Buchanan's "The American Cause" and Tom Tancredo's Team America PAC, and founder of "Youth for Western Civilization," is going to be sentenced on July 8th for verbally and physically assaulting a black woman in Washington DC in 2007.

Now watch as all Republicans are smeared with this.

700 J.S.  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:37:09pm

re: #676 quickjustice

I guess the Communist prof was making the claim that all countries practice some form of discrimination -- whether it's based on skin color, language, etc. -- except of course for that glorious leveler...the Marxist elimination of all classes...

701 formercorpsman  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:37:25pm

re: #696 ArrowSmith

What do you think it would be?

702 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:37:59pm

re: #677 OldLineTexan

No flair, either. By God, Texans have flair. That boy ain't right. 3 outta 10.

Makes me think they were a recent transplant. Didn't have time to get to the proper Texas juiciness. ;)

703 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:38:05pm

re: #333 Charles

You are one seriously busy man!

704 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:38:33pm

re: #701 formercorpsman

What do you think it would be?

I'm leaning towards batshit crazy, as I can't see how they justify their positions. If you're just for small government, there is no reason to be directly associated with Ron Paul.

705 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:38:39pm

re: #683 FurryOldGuyJeans

where did i go off point? or is off point something you disagree with?

706 theheat  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:38:41pm

re: #699 ArrowSmith

Until Republicans kick people like Tancredo and Buchanan to the gd curb, they're going to rub some of their stink on the rest of the GOP.

707 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:38:45pm

re: #688 dwdw49

great, really great, then he should have no problem releaseing the long form. shouldn't we be allowed to see any public record of our public officials? if not, why not?

So you chase your tail and look foolish.

His mother was American.
Done deal there.

Hawaii confirms his birth.
Done deal there.

Obama is in effect nationalizing the Banks, the Auto industry and Health care next, he tripled the deficit a month.

And you want to chase a non-issue past the point of insanity?

Good luck with that.

708 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:38:45pm

re: #685 Dark_Falcon

The grill is being prepped for one troll with another to come perhaps. I'll now take soda and side dish orders.

Since this is a virtual meal, can I have a Long Island Iced Tea please? Not allowed in meatspace anymore - but a little cyberbuzz to help the gaminess go down would be so delightful!

709 gmsc  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:38:46pm

re: #696 ArrowSmith

What makes one a nirther, anti-semite, general loon? What's wrong with these people?

Required reading: Why People Believe Weird Things

Here's the author's TED video (14 minutes, 11 seconds long):

710 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:38:53pm

re: #696 ArrowSmith

What makes one a nirther, anti-semite, general loon? What's wrong with these people?

* * *
Single issue twisted focus?

711 freetoken  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:39:07pm

re: #688 dwdw49

shouldn't we be allowed to see any public record of our public officials? if not, why not?

No, frankly.

Just like any other person, they have rights too. All that is required to be known is what is necessary for public service.

The State of Hawaii has already confirmed the certificate of live birth. That is all that would be required, and is known, and has been known for some time.

The whole movement based around the "birth certificate" is nothing other than a marketing ploy by people who want to sell you something.

712 JohnAdams  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:39:38pm

re: #697 ArchangelMichael

Unfortunate direction... you mean "not coming completely unglued over overblown or asinine shit and acting just like the moonbat lefties that we screamed bloody murder about for 8 years when they had Bush Derangement Syndrome"

Well don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'm sure one of the Blogs chock full of nuts, nirthers, nazi-apologists, young earth creationists, or Paulestinian jew-banker conspiracy theorists will welcome you with open arms.

You may be right. All the Lizards may be right, but if so it is going to be one small, righteous tent. The Founders warned of factions...I don't know what the answer is, but the state of our politics is absolutely depressing to me.

713 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:40:01pm

re: #688 dwdw49

Hawaii did what was required by law. Why do you have a problem with the rule of law?

714 Bloodnok  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:40:12pm

re: #696 ArrowSmith

What makes one a nirther, anti-semite, general loon? What's wrong with these people?

Lack of sunlight and a processed cheese diet.

715 eddiespaghetti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:40:22pm

I wish we could keep the 'flounce off' comments' onboard instead of deleting, just to savor, just sayin...

It fits nicely into the template of "I am a long time lurker since ___, unhappy with ___ and am now disappointed with ___ , ect...

716 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:40:36pm

How bad is the Economy?
Prince wore something off the rack today..
/Leno

717 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:40:39pm

re: #710 alegrias

* * *
Single issue twisted focus?

It could be a mental deficiency. Normal people understand that there are multiple issues that need to be prioritized.

718 quickjustice  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:40:41pm

Charles is as busy as a one-legged man at an ass-kicking contest!

719 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:40:41pm

re: #688 dwdw49

great, really great, then he should have no problem releaseing the long form. shouldn't we be allowed to see any public record of our public officials? if not, why not?

[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

720 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:40:44pm

re: #702 FurryOldGuyJeans

Makes me think they were a recent transplant. Didn't have time to get to the proper Texas juiciness. ;)

It's gone now, so there would be no way to test that hypothesis.

/too bad

721 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:41:19pm

re: #716 HoosierHoops

How bad is the Economy?
Prince wore something off the rack today..
/Leno

Well at least Leno tries to keep it fresh unlike Letterman.

722 Gus  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:41:35pm

OK, I see a middle initial of "Y" for Marcus Epstein in the court documents.

Marcus Yung-gyu Epstein Date of Birth: 05/07/1983
AKAs: Height:
Weight:
Hair Color:
Eye Color:
Race: WHITE
Gender: Male

Case Number: 830GC0400168200
Offense Type: Trespassing
Offense Code: 18.2-119
Offense Description: TRESPASSING
Date Reported: 08/31/2004
Disposition: GUILTY
Sentence Details: COURT COSTS

O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2
Offense Date:
Case Number: 059GT0607878900
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: C.46.2-862
Offense Description: 075/55 RECKLESS
Date Reported: 04/06/2006
Disposition: GUILTY
Disposition Date: 06/05/2006
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

D CRIMINAL OFFENSE 3
Offense Date: 02/18/2007
Case Number: 013GC0700061400
Offense Type: Alcohol
Offense Code: 17-7
Offense Description: DRUNK IN PUBLIC
Date Reported: 02/20/2007
Disposition: GUILTY IN ABSENTIA
Disposition Date: 09/25/2007
Sentence Details: COURT FINE & COSTS

D CRIMINAL OFFENSE 4
Offense Date:
Case Number: 830GC0400168300
Offense Type: Alcohol
Offense Code: 18.2-388
Offense Description: PUBLIC SWEARING/INTOXICATION
Date Reported: 08/31/2004
Disposition: NOLLE PROSEQUI
Disposition Date: 10/28/2004

T CRIMINAL OFFENSE 5
Offense Date:
Case Number: 830GC0400168100
Offense Type: Larceny
Offense Code: 18.2-96
Offense Description: PETIT LARCENY
Date Reported: 08/31/2004
Disposition: NOLLE PROSEQUI
Disposition Date: 10/28/2004

V CRIMINAL OFFENSE 6
Offense Date:
Case Number: 830GC0400168000
Offense Type: Assault
Offense Code: 18.2-57
Offense Description: ASSAULT & BATTERY
Date Reported: 08/31/2004
Disposition: NOLLE PROSEQUI
Disposition Date: 10/28/2004

723 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:41:52pm

re: #698 Dark_Falcon

Because its his choice. He wants to keep his private files private. As an American, that is his right.

Not to mention the political advantage of watching some on the right shoot themselves in the foot obsessing over the issue.

724 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:41:56pm

re: #698 Dark_Falcon

Because its his choice. He wants to keep his private files private. As an American, that is his right.

I'm far more interested in his Columbia transcripts and law firm records anyway.

And J F'in K's DD-214.

725 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:12pm

re: #708 Cato the Elder

Since this is a virtual meal, can I have a Long Island Iced Tea please? Not allowed in meatspace anymore - but a little cyberbuzz to help the gaminess go down would be so delightful!

Really? Or is this just a personal rule?

726 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:23pm

re: #689 quickjustice

I lived in Miami for ten years. I assure you that there is intense rivalry and jealousy among Hispanic groups. Cubans despise Puerto Ricans, for example, and vice versa. Sotomayor is popular only among Puerto Ricans. That's it.

I don't agree. A Hispanic elevated to a position of great power as this has to make all Hispanics proud regardless of any rivalry.

Bad analogy, but here goes: Muslim sects war with one another, yet support each other in many ways.

727 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:27pm

re: #705 dwdw49

Ah, so you want to sound like an addle-pated, drooling moron.

I beg your pardon for interrupting you. Do carry on.

728 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:29pm

re: #692 Mich-again

good point, don't know, just have this kind of stupid understanding that the people who work for us should let us see everything that is normally publicly availabe, don't you?

729 irongrampa  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:48pm

re: #724 jcm

Good luck with those.

730 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:50pm

re: #717 ArrowSmith

It could be a mental deficiency. Normal people understand that there are multiple issues that need to be prioritized.

* * * * *

Democrats use litmus tests on single issues all the time.

You can be a manslaughterer like Ted Kennedy, but still be ok on that one issue they use to keep single issue women voters in their camp.

731 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:50pm

re: #718 quickjustice

Charles is as busy as a one-legged man at an ass-kicking contest!

Or a cat trying to cover his shit on a tin roof.

732 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:51pm

re: #341 OldLineTexan

"I swear, the FedGov is worse than a seventh-grade love triangle."

I love it! Seeing HS histrionics up front and personal reminds me that the feds are really no different.

733 NY Nana  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:42:55pm

re: #641 MandyManners

Hey, I'm from New England!

Seriously, he is a first cousin of one of my first cousin's ex, and we were invited by him to a concert here in NYC years ago, after they divorced. He was as nice as could be, and we were taken to his dressing room after the concert, where a load of celebrities, etc., were waiting to enter. We were taken right in, and chatted for quite awhile re family, etc. Of course I didn't have my camera. But I would have felt funny about taking photos of him.

The looks NY Grampa and I got as we came out of his dressing room were priceless! 2 every day people...I bet they are still wondering who the hell we were!

I really can tolerate his singing, BTW. And he had a mother very much like you. Barry was her life, as his Dad had divorced her.

/Yes, I know...hearing is the first thing to go.

734 Syrah  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:43:10pm

re: #712 JohnAdams

It will be ugly for a while.

Don't give up yet.

735 JohnAdams  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:43:11pm

re: #724 jcm

I'm far more interested in his Columbia transcripts and law firm records anyway.

And J F'in K's DD-214.

Don't take the head fake. Tackle him low.

736 ArrowSmith  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:43:21pm

re: #731 avanti

Or a cat trying to cover his shit on a tin roof.

Or a cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

737 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:43:24pm

re: #711 freetoken

No, frankly.

Just like any other person, they have rights too. All that is required to be known is what is necessary for public service.

The State of Hawaii has already confirmed the certificate of live birth. That is all that would be required, and is known, and has been known for some time.

The whole movement based around the "birth certificate" is nothing other than a marketing ploy by people who want to sell you something.

Who knew "stupid" would be such a money maker?

738 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:43:24pm

re: #708 Cato the Elder

Since this is a virtual meal, can I have a Long Island Iced Tea please? Not allowed in meatspace anymore - but a little cyberbuzz to help the gaminess go down would be so delightful!

Normally, I don't serve alcohol, but tonight I'll make an exception. Consider it done. Just promise to help me put dwdw49 on the grill when Charles bans his ass.

739 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:43:38pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

What is the context there? A woman holding a couple of rifle rounds is a bit unclear.

Oh dude! You gotta watch this. Trust me, it's a hoot.

740 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:44:03pm

Meanwhile over at VDARE they've got a "What's So bad about the BNP and wouldn't it be cool if we had a similar party in the US?" article up....

741 Jack Burton  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:44:18pm

re: #699 ArrowSmith

Now watch as all Republicans are smeared with this.

Well unfortunately, if they have been associating with Pukecanan and company, as many of "the right" have been, then they deserve to be.

There are many people who frequently mention or are associated in some way with one or two ideas I support, but refuse to give the time of day to them because of various other 'deal-breakers' that you find out when you actually take a look at the people in depth.

Critical thinking and intellectual honesty are apparently "too hard" for some folks.

742 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:44:18pm

re: #688 dwdw49

great, really great, then he should have no problem releaseing the long form. shouldn't we be allowed to see any public record of our public officials? if not, why not?

What is this obsession with the "long form"?

The "short form" is valid for every other American for every purpose from getting a passport to running for - and winning - the presidency.

There are State of Hawaii regulations that prevent the long form from being released without permission of the principals - in this case Obama and his family.

Why won't he just go ahead and release it? You know what? I'm thinking at this point it's just to drive you and Crazy Pam and all the other nirthers crazy.

I'd do the same thing if I were he. You guys are nuts.

And so: "Nyah-nyah, na-nyah-nyah."

Pop a gasket for all I care.

743 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:44:26pm

re: #660 dwdw49

Frankly, sir or madam, I'm weary of you. I have learned that it's a fool's errand to try to talk sense in an effort to counter nonsense. Your opinions are half-baked, your sources are hucksters and your logic is, at best, sophomoric.

Farewell.

744 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:45:06pm

re: #478 unrealizedviewpoint

Start issuing some serious fines on these dolts and that crap will stop.

Ten points to whoever can answer this trivia question: Who called 911 during the last campaign season to complain about traffic on the expressway? His last name starts with an 'M'.

745 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:45:09pm

re: #711 freetoken

dear free
we don't have a right to see the birth certificate? what else don't we have a right to see?

746 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:45:12pm

re: #728 dwdw49

1) He released a certified short form.

2) This is the same type of document millions of Americans use with their employers.

3) Reread 1 & 2 until they sink in.

747 Irenicum  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:45:27pm

re: #345 Cato the Elder

Thank you for spreading literacy. The world will be a better place because of your work.

748 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:46:14pm

re: #729 irongrampa

Good luck with those.

749 JohnAdams  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:46:16pm

re: #734 Syrah

It will be ugly for a while.

Don't give up yet.

I suspect you're right. A lot of this internal bickering is people learning to deal with the fact that we ALL are somehow taking the shaft from this band of clowns that is damaging longstanding pillars of this country with glee.

750 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:46:18pm

re: #726 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't agree. A Hispanic elevated to a position of great power as this has to make all Hispanics proud regardless of any rivalry.

Bad analogy, but here goes: Muslim sects war with one another, yet support each other in many ways.

* * * *
I'm Hispanic and disagree with your generalization that I'll be proud of this particular Hispanic.

I respected Alberto Gonzalez our former US Attorney General but not Sonia Sotomayor's record and actions.

751 Jack Burton  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:46:22pm

re: #712 JohnAdams

You may be right. All the Lizards may be right, but if so it is going to be one small, righteous tent. The Founders warned of factions...I don't know what the answer is, but the state of our politics is absolutely depressing to me.

Everything in that list... I don't want them in my tent. These aren't legitimate issues worthy of debate. They are signs of possible insanity.

752 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:47:16pm

re: #732 Irenicum

If you work at a high school, you have both my sympathy and my respect.

753 Mich-again  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:47:17pm

re: #728 dwdw49

just have this kind of stupid understanding that the people who work for us should let us see everything that is normally publicly availabe, don't you?

Where does the Constitution say that anyone can request to see the Birth Certificate of the President?

You keep citing the Constitution but it seems you don't have a clue what is actually in the Constitution or how the legal system works.

754 Altermite  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:47:36pm

Freetoken, I think I recognize your handle from somewhere. Have you used it elsewhere?

755 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:47:39pm

re: #745 dwdw49

dear free
we don't have a right to see the birth certificate? what else don't we have a right to see?

Sadly, Scarlett Johansson nude.

756 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:47:55pm

re: #738 Dark_Falcon

Normally, I don't serve alcohol, but tonight I'll make an exception. Consider it done. Just promise to help me put dwdw49 on the grill when Charles bans his ass.

You got it. I'm imagining him as somewhat blubbery, so I'll go sharpen my flensing knife...

757 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:48:19pm

considering the FACT that PRESIDENT OBAMA'S grandfather fought in gen. patton's army in WWII, i'm pretty confident this nirther stuff won't get far; plus, of course that other FACT of a 10 MILLION vote victory; that democracy stuff can be tricky at times........./

758 jcm  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:49:04pm

re: #755 avanti

Sadly, Scarlett Johansson nude.

Photoshop.....

Make your dreams come true....

;-)

759 JohnAdams  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:49:25pm

re: #751 ArchangelMichael

Everything in that list... I don't want them in my tent. These aren't legitimate issues worthy of debate. They are signs of possible insanity.

That's fine...just understand that if you ever voted for a POTUS who actually won, you were standing in a tent with millions of those people. I'm not even saying I'm happy about it. I'm just sayin'.

760 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:49:36pm

re: #743 MacDuff
lets see, you are the intellectually superior and i am just a dolt. thank you, my dear mcduff, for making your superiotity so stunningly clear. i concede.

761 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:49:40pm

re: #744 ShanghaiEd

Ten points to whoever can answer this trivia question: Who called 911 during the last campaign season to complain about traffic on the expressway? His last name starts with an 'M'.

We ARE going to require a link you know.

762 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:49:49pm

re: #745 dwdw49

You are certainly stuck on stupid, ain't ya?

763 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:50:12pm

re: #740 Thanos

Meanwhile over at VDARE they've got a "What's So bad about the BNP and wouldn't it be cool if we had a similar party in the US?" article up....

[facepalm] The stupid is strong over there.

764 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:50:36pm

re: #750 alegrias

* * * *
I'm Hispanic and disagree with your generalization that I'll be proud of this particular Hispanic.

I respected Alberto Gonzalez our former US Attorney General but not Sonia Sotomayor's record and actions.

You know too much. /
;)

765 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:50:39pm

re: #747 Irenicum

Thank you for spreading literacy. The world will be a better place because of your work.

That's the greatest compliment! Thank you!

And be sure to check out Project Gutenberg. It belongs to anyone with an ISP.

766 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:50:40pm

re: #744 ShanghaiEd

Ten points to whoever can answer this trivia question: Who called 911 during the last campaign season to complain about traffic on the expressway? His last name starts with an 'M'.

* * * * *
From his profuse apologies to the cops, I learned he was also stuck for 45 minutes at 1am on a 6 lane bridge while the 3 opposing lanes of traffic were moving without a hitch. He had tried listening on the radio for traffic accident reports but on hearing no news, mistakenly called the police to inquire IF there was a traffic problem.

767 solomonpanting  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:50:42pm

re: #688 dwdw49

great, really great, then he should have no problem releaseing the long form. shouldn't we be allowed to see any public record of our public officials? if not, why not?

You're correct. Obama wasn't born in the US. As a matter of fact, the Messiah wasn't even born on this planet. No Earth Certificate. Rumor has it some here believe his was an extraterrestrial birth, perhaps from Uranus.

768 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:50:44pm

re: #762 FurryOldGuyJeans

You are certainly stuck on stupid, ain't ya?

OK, I'll start:

"One sandwich short of a picnic"

769 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:50:58pm

re: #760 dwdw49

SMACK!

POW!

THUMP!

[crunch]

770 formercorpsman  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:51:02pm

re: #750 alegrias

Interesting point of view. I once had a secretary who was from Puerto Rico who made it very clear to some Mexican patients, she was not Mexican.

I was never aware of the separation that exists out there.

Do you have an opinion as to percentages based on that? (what percentage of the "Hispanic" voting block might diverge?

771 theheat  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:51:10pm

re: #761 unrealizedviewpoint

I thought it was crazy Cynthia McKinney, but the word "his" was used.

772 quickjustice  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:51:15pm

re: #726 unrealizedviewpoint

It doesn't "have to" do anything. That's not the way it works on the street. Some ethnic groups that speak Spanish are Republicans, others Democrat. Puerto Ricans are mostly Democrats, Cubans, Republican.

773 Syrah  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:51:35pm

re: #749 JohnAdams

There is that and there is also the inherent problem of a leadership vacuum. Right now, we are seeing a free-for-all for the future of the GOP and the Conservative label.

I would like the Party to be rational and offer credible opposition to Obama, his polices, and his appointees. So far, it ain't happening.

774 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:51:35pm

re: #745 dwdw49

dear free
we don't have a right to see the birth certificate? what else don't we have a right to see?

Well Sir..You have the right to remain Silent..What ever you say will be used against you...
/Wow..you've gotten like 40 down dings since I last posted to you minutes ago..You are on a roll..

775 Karridine  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:52:01pm

re: #595 dapperdave

Hey dwdw49 so what if bo wasn't born in the U.S. who cares!

The US Constitution cares, Dave...

...and US law which clearly states the mother must have resided in US 5 years or be 21 years of age... the nirthers think Mrs Obama being 18 and not having 5 years as an adult citizen means Barack being born outside the US makes him ineligible for the presidency, which is a crazy idea, and one not worthy of discussion here...

776 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:52:43pm

re: #725 OldLineTexan

Really? Or is this just a personal rule?

Really - it interacts badly with certain essential meds. Very, very badly.

Sigh.

777 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:52:50pm

re: #760 dwdw49

Acceptance is the first step to recovery.....

778 JohnAdams  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:53:37pm

re: #773 Syrah

There is that and there is also the inherent problem of a leadership vacuum. Right now, we are seeing a free-for-all for the future of the GOP and the Conservative label.

I would like the Party to be rational and offer credible opposition to Obama, his polices, and his appointees. So far, it ain't happening.

Agree. It will take a miracle candidate to beat Obama because he has so much charisma to ordinary Americans. The way to beat him is with a regular guy who hammers Obama on spending and corruption.

779 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:53:49pm

re: #537 alegrias

* * * * *
I found him smart, personable, polite, and a good father who took his children to church. But that's just me.

Carlson also bragged on the air about beating up a gay man. Not cool. But that's just me.

780 freetoken  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:54:30pm

re: #754 Altermite

Over the years... on a few boards. On PJM the past year I've posted comments on rare occasion, usually taking issue with some of their writers.

781 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:54:58pm

re: #776 Cato the Elder

Really - it interacts badly with certain essential meds. Very, very badly.

Sigh.

Sorry to hear it. However, I am sure your liver thanks you.

782 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:54:59pm

re: #746 Sharmuta

yes, yes, and yes. but he works for us! do you not believe this? if he works for us, and he is a citizen, and he is for transparency, why not the long form. this is simple. you, a logical person, should insist that he release it, to prove to the world what idiots like me are out there.

783 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:55:37pm

re: #782 dwdw49

You might need to reread that list a few more times.

784 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:56:22pm

re: #782 dwdw49

And we already know you're an idiot. The certified short form is legal proof. Full stop.

785 Syrah  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:56:24pm

re: #778 JohnAdams

Yes.

A short and simple message would work well.

It worked for Reagan and it worked with Newt's Contract.

786 Jack Burton  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:56:32pm

How many times does this need to be said? I mean... seriously people...

Obama's birth certificate has already been released. It is legitimate. He was born in Hawaii. If I remember correctly, Zombie even went and looked at the Honolulu newspaper microfiche and found the birth announcement.

If *you* think it is fake, the burden of proof is on *you* to prove it. Obama has done everything he needs to.

It's like talking to a G-D wall sometimes...

787 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:56:58pm

re: #782 dwdw49

you, a logical person, should insist that he release it, to prove to the world what idiots like me are out there.

Why bother, you are doing a bang up job on your own.

788 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:57:59pm

re: #695 OldLineTexan
sorry; ......gollum...gollum.../

789 Cato the Elder  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:58:19pm

re: #781 OldLineTexan

Sorry to hear it. However, I am sure your liver thanks you.

Oh, my liver did cartwheels when I told it.

"Stupid liver." --Homer Simpson

790 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:58:37pm

re: #787 avanti

Why bother, you are doing a bang up job on your own.

LOL! Good zinger, avanti.

791 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:58:39pm

re: #777 MacDuff

i'm on the first of my 9 steps.... or is it 12, have to have a scotch and think about it

792 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 8:59:18pm

re: #788 gtrs

sorry; ......gollum...gollum.../

He vies for the Ring with the Dark Lord Soros.

793 avanti  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:00:23pm

re: #790 Dark_Falcon

LOL! Good zinger, avanti.

I have my rare moments, thanks largely to a cool Sam Adams or three.

794 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:01:13pm

re: #786 ArchangelMichael

ok, the burden of proof is on me, are we in court? then i request the court order discovery. i want to see all pertinent records. simple.

795 alegrias  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:02:11pm

re: #770 formercorpsman

Interesting point of view. I once had a secretary who was from Puerto Rico who made it very clear to some Mexican patients, she was not Mexican.

I was never aware of the separation that exists out there.

Do you have an opinion as to percentages based on that? (what percentage of the "Hispanic" voting block might diverge?

* * * *
Sorry, I have no opinion because I don't agree with the hypothesis that all spanish speakers vote one way or another. There's a lot of diversity amongst us, including ethnic, economic, educational, and based on the condition in the countries we emigrated from, and WHEN people emigrated.

For example, I met Cubans in the USA who were pro-Castro wealthy landowners when Castro first took over Cuba. After Castro appropriated everyone's property, they got the picture and became anti-Castro, escaped Cuba with NOTHING, and are now GOP stalwarts who worked hard in America and became wealthy again.

Some poorer Latino folks are raised on Marxist dogma in their original countries, and are willing to believe leftist Unions and democrats in this country that promise the same empty promises these people heard in their old countries. "We will spread the wealth around".

796 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:03:25pm

re: #581 FurryOldGuyJeans

Disagree all you want, the Republicans have never been the recipients of a friendly media for many a decade now.

You avoided my questions, though, Furry. How did the Bush administration stay so popular for so long, with the media against them, if they were making all the blunders that even the GOP now acknowledges they made? Sunspots?

797 formercorpsman  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:03:30pm

re: #782 dwdw49

Listen. As someone who really dislikes what Obama's politics stand for, I will say as long as you keep beating this drum, you only run interference for what he should really be opposed on.

Screw the damn birth certificate. That horse never got out of the paddock.

The time and energy wasted throwing a tantrum over this, or holding onto it like a pit bull only works to his advantage.

Do some real work. Put some time in, read up on the ACTUAL policies coming down the pike, and leave the bullshit alone.

798 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:04:15pm

re: #794 dwdw49

ok, the burden of proof is on me, are we in court? then i request the court order discovery. i want to see all pertinent records. simple.

Image: birth_certificate_3.jpg

Image: birth_certificate_9.jpg

Image: birth_certificate_1.jpg

Image: birth_certificate_5.jpg

799 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:04:52pm

re: #791 dwdw49

Charles, isn't the mosquito zapper working this evening?

800 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:05:50pm

re: #798 Jimmah

Suspiciously, you are able to supply photos....

801 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:07:10pm

re: #744 ShanghaiEd
john mccain's brother..........

802 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:07:25pm

re: #799 MacDuff

how clever!

803 formercorpsman  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:09:49pm

re: #795 alegrias

Actually, you did give me an opinion. Sometimes I am not the best at putting my words together.

Although I did not mention it, I agree with you as well. I think the media, and our political structure lumps groups together, despite numerous differences. Whether intentionally, or laziness, for some reason it just seems to be the case.

It will be interesting to see how this plays our with the new SC nominee, because the telegraphing is already in place.

804 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:11:54pm

re: #802 dwdw49

It was clever, but he got one detail wrong. You're not a mosquito, you're a dung beetle.

805 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:14:04pm

re: #745 dwdw49

dear free
we don't have a right to see the birth certificate? what else don't we have a right to see?

Look at it. Maybe Aliens defeated all our authentication measures.

806 SummerSong  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:14:09pm

Zombie - 8th picture from the end - reflection -

807 Jack Burton  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:14:28pm

re: #794 dwdw49

ok, the burden of proof is on me, are we in court? then i request the court order discovery. i want to see all pertinent records. simple.

All the "pertinent records" have already been released for public consumption. That you still insist there is a problem means you either think they are forged or somehow fraudulent, or that you are a raving lunatic. If its the former then get your happy ass to a lawyer and start filing a lawsuit. I'll wait to see how well that goes. Ranting about it on a website doesn't do anything.

If its the later, stfukplzthx.

808 gtrs  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:15:02pm

re: #779 ShanghaiEd
yep; happened in a men's room; turned out to be republican sen. larry "toetap" craig........../

809 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:15:46pm

re: #805 legalpad

Look at it. Maybe Aliens defeated all our authentication measures.

Were they the same aliens who run hulu?

810 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:16:25pm

re: #798 Jimmah
i think you are sincere, but ask yourself this simple question. if what has been released is real, if it is accurate, if it is authentic, then why can't we see the long form. (stop here and answer the question). that would only verify what everyone is saying is true. big expense? no, about $30 bucks. i'll pay it and then i'll go away.

811 legalpad  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:17:25pm

re: #809 Dark_Falcon

Were they the same aliens who run hulu?

Yep. Joe Biden heads 'em up.

812 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:18:26pm

re: #810 dwdw49

i think you are sincere, but ask yourself this simple question. if what has been released is real, if it is accurate, if it is authentic, then why can't we see the long form. (stop here and answer the question). that would only verify what everyone is saying is true. big expense? no, about $30 bucks. i'll pay it and then i'll go away.

If you go to the White House and ask them at the gate, they'll probably show you something.

813 pat  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:20:13pm

McCaine had to release his long form under Democratic pressure, it is about time Obama did. I am now wondering whether had an "unattended birth", or something like that. He is clearly hiding something.

814 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:20:15pm

re: #812 jaunte

what?

815 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:20:16pm

re: #811 legalpad

Yep. Joe Biden heads 'em up.

That sounds about right. I've been thinking that they've rigged BHO's teleprompter to rot his brain.

816 pat  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:21:45pm

It is $10 for the first copy , a dollar of the others up to ten. Or at least si I have been told.

817 Jack Burton  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:27:06pm

re: #813 pat

McCaine had to release his long form under Democratic pressure, it is about time Obama did. I am now wondering whether had an "unattended birth", or something like that. He is clearly hiding something.

You do realize you are implying a conspiracy that goes like this:

"This child will someday want to run for president, so lets announce his birth in the Honolulu newspaper and secretly get him there from Kenya overnight without anyone knowing."

And the state of Hawaii went along with this.

Was the Cigarette Smoking Man from the X-Files involved too?

818 MacDuff  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:32:07pm

Personally, I'd like to see the birth certificate for dwdw49, it may explain a lot.

With that, unconsciousness beckons and I will answer.

819 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:34:57pm

re: #818 MacDuff

mars, urkellian time 15872 bs (before scotts)

820 freetoken  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:35:36pm

re: #817 ArchangelMichael


Was the Cigarette Smoking Man from the X-Files involved too?

Likely the Aliens that saved the world in 1908. They do have time-travel technology, you know.

/Fox News - the tabloid of broadcasting?

821 Wendya  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:36:02pm

re: #623 dwdw49


i think you are sincere, but ask yourself this simple question. if what has been released is real, if it is accurate, if it is authentic, then why can't we see the long form. (stop here and answer the question). that would only verify what everyone is saying is true. big expense? no, about $30 bucks. i'll pay it and then i'll go away.

You don't have a right to see it.

There is a mechanism in place to verify eligibility that does not include making your birth certificate public property.

822 Canoe Train  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:37:23pm

Nirth Thirtifikit!

/facetious

823 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:41:54pm

re: #794 dwdw49

ok, the burden of proof is on me, are we in court? then i request the court order discovery. i want to see all pertinent records. simple.

Well then go file a fucking case jr nimrod.

824 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:44:01pm

re: #801 gtrs

john mccain's brother..........

We have a winner!

825 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:49:59pm

re: #821 Wendya

my dear wendy,
have you ever applied for a passport? they require a birth certificate. but besides this, a president works for us. if we ever get to a point where we work for the president, everything is lost. we are the employer. the constitution is the rule book we have to abide by. the constitution sets out critera for being a president. all i want to know is...does the current elected official meet that criteria? if he does, great, if not, not so great.

how hard is this to understand. show us EVERTHING. PLEASE. WE ARE YOUR BOSS. if what you have shown is real and accurate and authentic, then what is the problem with showing the long form birth certificate?

i am called a "nirther". great. i am really embarrassed. just show me all you have and i go away. no argument, no discussion, no nothing.

"we already have! does'nt cut it if there is more to show. i want to see it all. fair enough?

826 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:51:05pm

re: #825 dwdw49

The President has a passport. Hellooooo?

827 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:53:12pm

re: #826 Sharmuta

when he was a youth, how did he get to pakistan?

828 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:54:38pm

re: #825 dwdw49

Does everyone in the passport office get to see your ID, all the people standing in line, or just the official who certifies you are who you say you are?

829 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:55:14pm

Gawt-damnit, this nirther bullshit is fucking tiresome. The man is 47 years old, do you really think he's never, not ever, had to prove his citizenship to any US agency?

Not for a driver's license? Not for college enrollment? Not for anything, ever?

Grow the fuck and use your damn brain.

830 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:55:23pm

re: #827 dwdw49

In a frickin airplane, how do you think?

831 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:57:13pm

re: #766 alegrias

* * * * *
From his profuse apologies to the cops, I learned he was also stuck for 45 minutes at 1am on a 6 lane bridge while the 3 opposing lanes of traffic were moving without a hitch. He had tried listening on the radio for traffic accident reports but on hearing no news, mistakenly called the police to inquire IF there was a traffic problem.

Did you actually listen to the tapes, Alegrias? Mr. McCain "mistakenly" called them twice, and the first time he cursed them out besides. Where did you get the "mistakenly" part?

It's no hanging offense, of course, but just shows how disturbing little facts get "sanitized" in the popular imagination.

832 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:57:41pm

re: #810 dwdw49

i think you are sincere, but ask yourself this simple question. if what has been released is real, if it is accurate, if it is authentic, then why can't we see the long form. (stop here and answer the question). that would only verify what everyone is saying is true. big expense? no, about $30 bucks. i'll pay it and then i'll go away.

Because that one says in big black letters that he is a muslim who was born in a cave in Afghanistan, and they don't want you to see it because it would mean he'd have to stop being president./

But seriously, having ultra partisan republican nuts make fools of themselves over this issue damages the GOP, not Obama; why would he want to stop you?

833 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 9:59:11pm

re: #828 Thanos

not sure what you are asking, but a president, someone who works for us would surely want to show his birth certificate. wouldn't he?

834 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:00:59pm

In 1981 Obama traveled from Hawaii to Indonesia, India, and pakistan.
He would have had a U.S. passport, and college students don't get them without a birth certificate.
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

835 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:02:04pm

re: #833 dwdw49

No. Do you want to show your ID and personal info to everyone in the world? Do we have Reagan's, Carter's, Ford's, Bush 1's, Bush 2's certificates? When you go to get your driver's license does everyone in the office get to see your id?

836 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:02:45pm

re: #829 Slumbering Behemoth

ok, you are correct. he must have had to show it! why can't he show it now? i have already voluntered the $30 it would take. how tiresome is it when someone is willing to foot the bill?

837 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:03:53pm

re: #836 dwdw49

Obama loves idiots like you. They keep people distracted from what really matters.

838 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:06:03pm

re: #830 Thanos

but with what credentials? do you know, i don't, but i don't think it was a US passport. can you verify he had a US passport for me?

839 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:07:13pm

re: #836 dwdw49

Why can't he show it now?

In order to make people like you look like a damn fool. You do realize many of the lawyers pushing this in the courts are/were Hilliary supporters, don't you?

You're being played. Or you're trying to play us.

840 jaunte  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:07:30pm

This troll has no brain!
...
And only a limited vocabulary.

841 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:07:31pm

Nick Cohen: The Golden Age of Conspiracy

[Link: www.standpointmag.co.uk...]

842 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:07:39pm

re: #837 Thanos

what really matters? surely not the constitution. elegibility is in the constitution. does it matter?

843 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:10:12pm

re: #838 dwdw49

NO, I don't need to because a state official in HI already did. If that doesn't suit you then put the fuck up or shut up. Go file a federal case.

844 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:11:08pm

re: #842 dwdw49

Go file a case nimrod, quit wasting your time here you crazy loon

845 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:11:51pm

re: #835 Thanos

yes

846 freetoken  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:12:10pm

re: #836 dwdw49

Dude, I can only conclude you are being intentionally dense.

In other words, you are the classic troll.

And no, you do not show your birth certificate to get a passport, etc. What is required is evidence that such birth allows you to be a US citizen. In nearly all cases, what one uses is a small notice, from the county of your birth, that certifies that such a record is to be found on that county's books... and that little piece of paper used to have a raised seal from that county to verify its originality (these days some places might use other techniques than raised seals.) The actual original record is never submitted (in almost all cases.)

I've applied for several passports over the years, including btw an official (brown) one. In every case the mere fact that the county of my birth simply stated that a record of my birth was on file in the county sufficed. That is what is required, as there is no reasonable person who would believe that an entire false birth record would be created a priori, sometimes many years prior, to the need to have such information.

You truly are a troll, and I can only imagine that Charles keeps you around as an example.

847 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:12:57pm

re: #844 Thanos

thank you for being so reasonable. you make alot of sense.

848 jvic  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:13:45pm

re: #102 1SG(ret)

I'm on the right and Religious, does that mean your tent isn't big enough for me now?

This agnostic is happy to be in the Big Tent with people of faith who support the separation of church and state.

849 Randall Gross  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:14:45pm

re: #847 dwdw49

Yes, so why don't you pop off here, go get word cranked up and start writing your case.

850 Gus  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:16:35pm

re: #849 Thanos

Yes, so why don't you pop off here, go get word cranked up and start writing your case.

He can represent himself in the case. That would be something. Worthy of filming.

That would be what? The "third" case brought to the courts by some nirther? I wonder how many millions of tax payers dollars has been wasted with these cases.

851 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:17:07pm

re: #847 dwdw49

Rude impatience in the face of absolute stupidity is no vice.

852 Ziggy Standard  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:18:41pm

re: #851 Slumbering Behemoth

Rude impatience in the face of absolute stupidity is no vice.

Speaking of which...

853 dwdw49  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:20:00pm

re: #846 freetoken

you are right. i wanted to get a passport from the united states but i was born in peru. i didn't have to show my birth certificate at all! i just said i was a citizen of the US and they said, OK. how foolish i am to question you.

854 doubter4444  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:21:26pm

re: #649 Charles

According to the officer's statement, a friend of Epstein's informed him that he had been drinking.

Bar hopping with Randi Rhodes?

Randi Rhodes is a perfect porn name.

855 Syrah  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:21:50pm

re: #853 dwdw49

You don't seem to be making any converts here.

856 Sharmuta  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:23:06pm

Please file your own lawsuit. A half-dozen or so lawyers need the money.

857 pingjockey  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:25:09pm

If one of your parents is a US citizen, aren't you considered a citizen, no matter where you are born?

858 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:26:08pm

I think that's enough from the nirther. He's just filling up this thread with nonsense. End of the line.

859 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:29:53pm

re: #857 pingjockey

If one of your parents is a US citizen, aren't you considered a citizen, no matter where you are born?

Shhh... your facts will only confuse the nirther moby.

860 pingjockey  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:31:53pm

re: #859 Slumbering Behemoth
Actually I should have asked my wife. She was born in Wales and her mom was Welsh and her Dad is US.

861 pingjockey  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:32:49pm

Later folks!

862 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:50:01pm

re: #796 ShanghaiEd

You avoided my questions, though, Furry. How did the Bush administration stay so popular for so long, with the media against them, if they were making all the blunders that even the GOP now acknowledges they made? Sunspots?

I answered your question, you just didn't like or understand the answer.

863 ShanghaiEd  Thu, May 28, 2009 10:59:49pm

re: #862 FurryOldGuyJeans

I answered your question, you just didn't like or understand the answer.

No, you're not acting in good faith here. These were my questions:


I must disagree with you wholeheartedly, Furry. If not for the Republicans' skillful "media mantras," how come 50% of the country never figured out before 2008 that the Bush administration was not in the business of personal freedom, or smaller government, or fiscal responsibility? How could they hide it for so long? This didn't all happen in three months time.

And this was the entirety of your "answer":

Disagree all you want, the Republicans have never been the recipients of a friendly media for many a decade now.

All you did was restate your original premise, which is what my question is about. I don't think any reasonable person sees an "answer" there. At least an "I don't hear you, la, la" would be honest.

864 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 11:14:32pm

re: #103 shiplord kirel

What are the Nirthers trying to accomplish anyway? In the extremely unlikely event they can force Obama out of office, Joe Biden will become POTUS. Is that to anyone's advantage?

Just imagine Gaffey Joe resigning for "reasons of health", what would we get?

/ now that would be the stuff of conspiracy books ad infinitum.

865 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, May 28, 2009 11:16:06pm

re: #863 ShanghaiEd

I've given the only answer I am going to give. Get used to disappointment.

866 ShanghaiEd  Fri, May 29, 2009 12:05:19am

re: #865 FurryOldGuyJeans

I've given the only answer I am going to give. Get used to disappointment.

Got you, loud and clear. Just so we're up front about it.

867 SixDegrees  Fri, May 29, 2009 1:22:31am

re: #17 zombie

Glug.

Unbeknownst to me, my old "Up Your Alley Fair" report has been making serious waves this last week in San Francisco power circles, and has caused a police crackdown on the fair this year! People are furious at me! It's even hit various news sites:

No More Public Sex at Up Your Alley Fair

You mean, the scrotum-inflators aren't going to be displaying their...wares? Damn! And I just bought a new load of ammo for the pellet gun!

868 gregb  Fri, May 29, 2009 6:02:45am

Obama has adopted all of Bush's policies. Now he's adopting Bush's strategies. Don't answer something you know you can win and are right on in order to get your opponents worked up and wasting time on it in order to marginalize them.

869 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, May 29, 2009 6:35:41am

Don't lend your hand to raise no flag
atop no ship of fools
- Robert Hunter

870 bungie  Fri, May 29, 2009 9:58:51am

I just read through this thread. It was fascinating watching the guy who eventually got blocked, keep coming back for more. I'm not talking about the substance or content; I was just wondering what the pay off is in getting everyone pissed at you. Obviously he was not persuading people, so why do it? It was like a broken record (hate to date myself, but a record is one of those black vinyl discs with grooves in it).

There is medication for this condition, its called, Prozac

871 MPH  Fri, May 29, 2009 1:30:53pm

I had no idea!

His very name means "lightening" and since he entered office with THE POWER,he has moved very fast with our money and bowed to his Muslin faith as THE MESSIAH! He can be none other than THE ANTICHRIST! If this is true, and the Holy Bible does not lie, we are in for the 'ride' of our lives. My suggestion is bow to the REAL Christ whose name is JESUS! Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!
872 Noah_Vaile  Fri, May 29, 2009 2:21:13pm

Okay. So we're dead. We're all dead. The constitution is dead. The Bill of Rights is dead. America is Amerika. Just hope we can change in 2010.

873 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 29, 2009 2:53:40pm

re: #872 Noah_Vaile

What the hell are you talking about?

874 Alcove-One  Fri, May 29, 2009 4:27:44pm

CHARLES-
I really have to take issue. Please read about Les Kinsolving.
In 1972 he was the ONLY San Francisco “journalist” who dared write the truth about Rev. Jim Jones which was very dangerous physically and to his career. If he was listened to in 1972, over 900 people would not have been killed in Jonestown six years later.
In 1982, he was the ONLY “journalist” who asked White Spokesman Larry Speakes about AIDS and the whole room laughed at him then too.
This man should have a J-school named after him.

875 Alcove-One  Fri, May 29, 2009 4:28:58pm

Make that White HOUSE Spokesman Larry Speakes.
sorry

876 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 29, 2009 8:02:13pm

re: #874 Alcove-One

I know very well about Kinsolving's history, and yes, he did good work on the Jim Jones story.

But now he's shilling for kooks. It's sad.


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