Obama Administration Defends Invoking ‘State Secrets’

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Another sign that the Obama administration may not be entirely clueless about national security, as they continue to insist that the government has the right to withhold classified information in terrorism cases: U.S. vows to keep using ‘state secrets’ defense.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Obama administration has informed a federal judge it will continue to invoke the “state secrets” privilege in a legal battle with an Islamic charity suspected of funding terrorism.

The United States has designated the Oregon-based al-Haramain Islamic Foundation as a terrorist organization. The group, which has sued the government over alleged warrantless wiretapping, is demanding classified information about the program.

U.S. officials have refused to tell the charity’s lawyers whether the group was subjected to presidentially authorized, warrantless, foreign intelligence surveillance in 2004 and, if so, what information was obtained.

In a court document filed overnight in San Francisco and released early Saturday in Washington, the Justice Department said its case-by-case review of the government’s use of the state secrets defense has not changed its position in the al-Haramain case.

The defense allows courts to block lawsuits against the government on grounds that the litigation could harm national security.

“An additional review was conducted at the highest levels of the Department of Justice to determine whether continued invocation of the privilege was warranted,” the government told the court.

“Based on that review, it is the government’s position that disclosure of classified information … would create intolerable risks to national security.”

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1 jcm  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:01:36pm

PDB's are getting through.

2 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:02:41pm
The Obama administration has informed a federal judge it will continue to invoke the “state secrets” privilege in a legal battle with an Islamic charity suspected of funding terrorism

A huge relief. This, of course, is one of the things I worried about Obama, that he would not be inclined to do the things we need done to keep this country safe.
So this is indeed a relief.

3 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:02:57pm

"the Obama administration may not be entirely clueless about national security,"

Well now I can sleep at night?

4 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:03:30pm

We'll see how apeshit the el cubos go.....

5 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:03:59pm

I'm glad that this administration is taking security concerns seriously enough to protect these legal defenses. There just might be something to be said for growing up when handed authority.

6 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:04:14pm

GoBama!

"The government recognizes that the underlying dispute in this case raises the fundamental separation of powers question concerning whether the court has the ultimate authority under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to order the disclosure of state secrets to a private party over the government's objections," according to the justice filing.

he has choices

7 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:04:24pm

The koslings are not amused....

8 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:04:33pm

re: #4 Macker

We'll see how apeshit the el cubos go.....

What's "el cubos". I mean I can guess who you are referring to but what doe sit mean?

9 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:05:17pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

The koslings are not amused....

were they ever?...worst buncha drones ever

10 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:05:31pm

re: #8 Nevergiveup

What's "el cubos". I mean I can guess who you are referring to but what doe sit mean?

Looney Liberal Left = L3 = el cubos

11 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:06:13pm

re: #10 Macker

Looney Liberal Left = L3 = el cubos

OK go it. Thanks

12 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:06:23pm

re: #10 Macker

Looney Liberal Left = L3 = el cubos

they are rapidly becoming irrelevent...BO said so!

13 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:06:50pm

I may have to create a CWID (Credit Where It's Due) folder in my favorites for posts like these. To be used the next time someone says they can't find one good decision Obama's administration has made (which should take place.....oh, probably by the end of this thread).

14 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:07:19pm

re: #12 albusteve

they are rapidly becoming irrelevent...BO said so!

And y'all expect me to trust his word?

/ROFLMAO!

15 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:07:21pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

Lemme guess, according to them only fascists keep state secrets?

16 jcm  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:07:25pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

A huge relief. This, of course, is one of the things I worried about Obama, that he would not be inclined to do the things we need done to keep this country safe.
So this is indeed a relief.

Nothing like finding out there are real bad people with real bad intentions bent on death and destruction. To get one to adjust their thinking.

17 DEZes  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:07:43pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

The koslings are not amused....

Nor are they amusing.
Obama did the right thing again, if the Koslings are pissed, its near proof.

18 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:07:52pm

I dunno, if 0bama does it, it's probably wrong.

On the one hand, I certainly defend the principle.

On the other hand, the government uses secrecy far too often to hide all kinds of crap.

Would it hurt anything for the government to announce loudly, "yes, we're watching youuu?" It worked for Sting.

19 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:08:30pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

A huge relief. This, of course, is one of the things I worried about Obama, that he would not be inclined to do the things we need done to keep this country safe.
So this is indeed a relief.

It's real easy to criticize another administration for perceived mistakes, but suddenly, when it's your job to protect millions of people from death and distruction, those "mistakes" might be viewed in a different light.

20 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:08:57pm

Destruction- pimf.

21 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:09:07pm

re: #13 Bloodnok

I may have to create a CWID (Credit Where It's Due) folder in my favorites for posts like these. To be used the next time someone says they can't find one good decision Obama's administration has made (which should take place.....oh, probably by the end of this thread).

he has a very long way to go....he wants the hardcore jihadis off his back....gimme a coupla hundred F-22 to square it

22 Gearhead  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:09:10pm

Wow. I almost could have voted for him with a clear conscience.

...almost.

23 jcm  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:09:40pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

It's real easy to criticize another administration for perceived mistakes, but suddenly, when it's your job to protect millions of people from death and distruction, those "mistakes" might be viewed in a different light.

Especially when your suddenly privy to the WHOLE story.

24 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:09:54pm

re: #21 albusteve

he has a very long way to go....he wants the hardcore jihadis off his back....gimme a coupla hundred F-22 to square it

Agreed. A very long way to go indeed.

25 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:10:05pm

re: #15 MrPaulRevere

Lemme guess, according to them only fascists keep state secrets?

I have no idea. I avoid that cesspool most of the time. I can only assume they don't like this decision on the part of the 0bama administration.

26 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:10:22pm

Another sane batch of decisions showing when you get a "behind the curtain" view of reality, it is actually pretty scary...

I guess that is the same as #19

27 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:10:42pm

Funny how the El Cubos didn't bat an eyelash when 0bama signed off on the 'stimulus' that was crammed through both houses on short notice because it was so vital.....

But now they're livid with him because he seems to have gone squishy on Gitmo and hasn't changed some of his predecessor's policies.

28 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:10:55pm

re: #23 jcm

Especially when your suddenly privy to the WHOLE story.

Absolutely.

29 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:11:53pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

The koslings are not amused....

Sharmuta -

NOT AT ALL. Pres. Obama is not THAT stupid. Give him a 2010 Mid Term Disaster and he just MIGHT turn out OK - I Pray.

-S-

30 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:12:42pm

re: #28 Sharmuta

Absolutely.

he's staring down the barrel of a gun...will he twich?...this is a small thing, a good thing but puny imo

31 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:13:15pm

re: #13 Bloodnok

I may have to create a CWID (Credit Where It's Due) folder in my favorites for posts like these. To be used the next time someone says they can't find one good decision Obama's administration has made (which should take place.....oh, probably by the end of this thread).

That's a good idea. There have only been a couple, imo, but when he's done the right thing by national security, those of us who feel the issue is of vital importance should welcome these decisions. We would if it was McCain. Why shouldn't we with 0bama as well?

32 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:13:35pm

puny stuff adds up I guess...my third wife taught me that

33 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:14:25pm

Sting, Every Bomb You Make (I'll be watching you), Montreal 1983


The boy can sing.
34 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:14:39pm

re: #30 albusteve

he's staring down the barrel of a gun...will he twich?...this is a small thing, a good thing but puny imo

As Shug said the other day (paraphrasing)- praise him when he gets it right, for it will give us greater credibility to criticize him when he's wrong.

35 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:14:48pm

OT: *sigh* I have an elderly relative that pretty much watches nothing but christian religious programing on the tube. They just got a new satellite service, and is now getting such programing by the truckload.

So now I'm getting an ear full of "sekrit muslim" and "nirth certifikat" crap from this person. I suspect Hal Lindsey may be the culprit. I need a drink.

36 Kragar  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:15:00pm

NEROBAMA IS THE NEW BUSHITLER!

//

37 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:15:27pm

re: #13 Bloodnok

Muzzling the prisoner abuse pics...
Keeping Gates as Sec Def...
Staying out of the Navy's way when it came to rescuing the Maersk Alabama captain...

I think there were one or two other things that escape me right now- and they weren't of the 'Ideas so bad and untenable he looks like a genius for backing away from them' variety (i.e. private insurance for GI's service-related injuries).

38 Gearhead  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:15:41pm

The dull, popcorny rumble of exploding moonbat heads is increasing to a roar.

Wonder if the attrition will be noticeable on election day in 2010.

39 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:16:01pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

This and the non-release of the Gitmo / Abu Ghraib photos, on the plus side.

N Korea, Iran, anti-Isreal on the minus side...

40 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:16:04pm

I think Charles just posts these stories for the hatemail.
/

41 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:16:05pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

That's a good idea. There have only been a couple, imo, but when he's done the right thing by national security, those of us who feel the issue is of vital importance should welcome these decisions. We would if it was McCain. Why shouldn't we with 0bama as well?

I welcome it....it's the right thing to do and there needn't be any fanfare because of it....shocka!....maybe so...just do what's right and secure....that's his mandate

42 songbird  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:16:47pm

This was an interesting article about America lurching into Marxism.

43 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:17:01pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

As Shug said the other day (paraphrasing)- praise him when he gets it right, for it will give us greater credibility to criticize him when he's wrong.

yes...a wise Shugism

44 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:17:10pm

re: #41 albusteve

I welcome it....it's the right thing to do and there needn't be any fanfare because of it....shocka!....maybe so...just do what's right and secure....that's his mandate

I don't think it's "fanfare" to say he did the right thing here. Maybe it seems that way because other right-wing blogs will likely give him no credit for it.

45 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:17:27pm

re: #43 albusteve

Shug is one of my favorites here.

46 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:17:46pm

re: #42 songbird

This was an interesting article about America lurching into Marxism.

{Songbird} Miss you!

47 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:17:54pm

re: #27 Fenway_Nation

Funny how the El Cubos didn't bat an eyelash when 0bama signed off on the 'stimulus' that was crammed through both houses on short notice because it was so vital.....

But now they're livid with him because he seems to have gone squishy on Gitmo and hasn't changed some of his predecessor's policies.

Ain't karma a bitch, Dear Leader?

48 doubter4444  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:18:00pm

I think that this is the problem with Obama... he is not clueless, far from it.
So, for the most part, the what he is doing is going to be well thought-out and effective.
That's pretty scary for a lot of the right, and the more more to the right one is the the more scary it is.
In effect, this man will have enormous impact on this country.
We can only hope that the impact will be, overall, positive.
Most here will think the impact will be negative, and that it's already to late, but I have more respect for the fiber of this country, and and think we and it (the US) are stronger than any one man.

49 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:18:23pm
50 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:18:38pm

re: #45 Sharmuta

Shug is one of my favorites here.

I'm going to marry him if you'd step aside please

51 songbird  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:18:50pm

re: #46 HoosierHoops

{Songbird} Miss you!

Awwww! I've been busy moving! I'm in Maryland now.

{HoosierHoops}

52 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:19:15pm

re: #49 Iron Fist

Does that mean that the Obama Administration is going to take a look into finding out whomever it was that leaked the story about the Bush Administration evesdropping on suspected al Qaeda member's phone calls back to Pakistan? There's really only a handful of people who could have done that. It would seem to me that if the Administration wanted to do so, it could find out who it was (the same can be said of the Bush Administration. It is inexplicable to me that they didn't investigate this and prosecute the leaker).

Sure yeah right after he grants a full pardon to scooter libby.

53 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:19:42pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NEROBAMA IS THE NEW BUSHITLER!

//

Kragar (PtbK) -

Rotating Title? That iss all.

-S-

54 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:19:57pm

re: #50 albusteve

I'm going to marry him if you'd step aside please

Mrs. Shug might have something to say about that. ;)

55 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:21:20pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

Mrs. Shug might have something to say about that. ;)

I jest....
I've not even proposed...
but I get you

56 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:21:30pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NEROBAMA IS THE NEW BUSHITLER!

//

Emperor Zero fiddled while America Burned!

/still saving that one for if and when he really does screw up, but right now I'm happy the koslings think hes Chimpy McBushitler 2

57 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:22:22pm

SHUG!....COME BACK!
heh...

58 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:22:46pm

re: #51 songbird

Awwww! I've been busy moving! I'm in Maryland now.

{HoosierHoops}

Thank goodness..What a hell of a move for you...Well..It's June and you and your husband are on the East Coast together...Life is sweet Songbird...
Kind Regards...
/Did your Sister make it to the race this year? I was blogging about the race..I went..drank too much..had a blast
*wink*

59 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:23:06pm

re: #48 doubter4444

I think that this is the problem with Obama... he is not clueless, far from it.
So, for the most part, the what he is doing is going to be well thought-out and effective.
That's pretty scary for a lot of the right, and the more more to the right one is the the more scary it is.
In effect, this man will have enormous impact on this country.
We can only hope that the impact will be, overall, positive.
Most here will think the impact will be negative, and that it's already to late, but I have more respect for the fiber of this country, and and think we and it (the US) are stronger than any one man.

Doubter4444 -

Pres. Obama is far from being unintelligent. He is however "bent" by his life experience, as was Former President Clinton.
I prefer the "unbent" as POTUS.

-S-

60 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:23:11pm

OT:

I just received an Amazon Kindle 2 for a present. I think it is amazing. However, I'm worried about it getting dinged up or damaged. Does anyone have a case or accessory that they would suggest I buy to keep my Kindle safe?

61 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:24:05pm

re: #60 insanity police

OT:

I just received an Amazon Kindle 2 for a present. I think it is amazing. However, I'm worried about it getting dinged up or damaged. Does anyone have a case or accessory that they would suggest I buy to keep my Kindle safe?

I would suggest the Kindle Flak Vest

62 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:24:53pm

re: #60 insanity police

OT:

I just received an Amazon Kindle 2 for a present. I think it is amazing. However, I'm worried about it getting dinged up or damaged. Does anyone have a case or accessory that they would suggest I buy to keep my Kindle safe?

ip -

Congratulations on the Kindle 2. Try Amazon. You are already about $300 ahead of the game.

-S-

63 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:25:14pm

re: #61 albusteve

I would suggest the Kindle Flak Vest

I'm gullible. I actually googled it. Funny.

64 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:26:25pm

re: #62 Dr. Shalit

Thanks. It's a very cool gadget. I probably wouldn't have bought it myself, but someone sent it to me out of the blue. I was psyched. I had previously seen it talked about on LGF.

65 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:27:18pm

re: #60 insanity police

Here are some Kindle cases:
[Link: ireaderreview.com...]

66 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:27:32pm

Not entirely OT, but 0bama's MSM ball-washers are trying to frame the Gitmo detainees coming to the Continental United States furor as a simple case of 'Not in my backyard'.

I have no doubt the Supermax or other high-security facilities could adequately hold terror suspects.

My issue is.....and get this through your hollow quisling skulls, 0lberman, 'Tingley legs Matthews and Jon Stewart...that the same people who are responsible for the various Islamonazi snuff films, roadside bombs that kill our troops, coalition troops, Iraqi or Afghan civilians.....and most insidously, the chemical attacks against Iraqis over the last few years....would bascially be afforded the same protections under the Constitution as someone who was pulled over for a broken tail light.

67 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:27:35pm

re: #42 songbird

You evidently missed my entry (about that Pravda article) in the last thread.

That a theocratically minded Orthodox Russian nationalist writes a negative opinion about President Obama and the current US political/economic situation is not surprising. What I hadn't expected is how quickly the so called "conservative" bloggers in the US would so gleefully start loving Pravda.

68 nines09  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:27:44pm

I would suggest the Hindle 2 bolt on hindle.

69 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:27:48pm

re: #42 songbird

This was an interesting article about America lurching into Marxism.

You know what they say: "In Truth There is No News."

70 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:27:49pm

re: #62 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

My "Nirthday" is is August. Hopefully I get an Acer 10.2" Netbook or equivalent.

-S-

71 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:28:13pm

re: #44 Sharmuta

I don't think it's "fanfare" to say he did the right thing here. Maybe it seems that way because other right-wing blogs will likely give him no credit for it.

Here's comment on Hot Air about the rule addressing petitioning about stimulus money that they are turning into shutting down the blogs and free speech. They are ready to man the barricades over there:

* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimidating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check
* Takes control of large companies and the economy as a whole - Check
* Attacks the very business leaders who supported his rise once in power - Check
* Whitewashing/removal of political opponents from history (deleting Bush’s Twitter updates) - Check

At some point, the adults need to defend the truth before this gets even crazier.

72 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:28:53pm

re: #65 jaunte

Thanks. Very helpful. But I'm not buying the one with flowers on it. =)

73 blastforth  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:29:19pm

It appears that becoming responsible for the safety of the nation does something to a person.

74 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:29:48pm

re: #67 freetoken

You evidently missed my entry (about that Pravda article) in the last thread.

That a theocratically minded Orthodox Russian nationalist writes a negative opinion about President Obama and the current US political/economic situation is not surprising. What I hadn't expected is how quickly the so called "conservative" bloggers in the US would so gleefully start loving Pravda.

On the other hand, it takes one to know one, and Pravda would certainly know about stuff like that!

75 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:29:56pm

re: #60 insanity police

OT:

I just received an Amazon Kindle 2 for a present. I think it is amazing. However, I'm worried about it getting dinged up or damaged. Does anyone have a case or accessory that they would suggest I buy to keep my Kindle safe?

I just googles kindle

case

76 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:30:16pm

I truly think Cheney's rants are having a positive effect. Ø's no dummy, he just wasn't looking.

77 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:31:32pm

re: #72 insanity police

This one looks good:
[Link: strangedog.com...]

78 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:31:37pm

Obama is intelligent, ... sure, why not. Good leadin for a little out of the blue comment here, another intelligent guy is Noam Chomsky, and let's see what that gets us. I'm dragging slowly through a little book of fairly recent Chomsky speeches, "On Nature and Language" (with a little political essay stuck in the back to make the book large). I just got to the part where Chomsky is explaining his later philosophy of "minimalism", and hoo boy, is this garbled thought. I'm a great admirer of Chomsky's early linguistic work, though it is far from complete or perfect, but this later stuff - here's where it gets (slightly) relevant to LGF. Part of the minimalist theory is that perhaps language is "optimal". What could that even mean? He is interviewed on the point, and I don't think he says anything coherent, but let's deconstruct it a bit. The political Chomsky we all know and love (not) says America is imperialist and vicious and lots of other bad stuff. How can he say this? Aha. In linguistics, and presumably in politics, Chomsky suggests this idea of "optimality", that there is an ideal, and anything we do that falls short of that, is a fault. And so, in linguistics and politics, he makes up some Platonic ideal, and then finds fault with everything terrestrial. Well, we know what kind of crap that turns into in the context of his political theories, and I'm here to tell ya, it works just as well (unwell) in linguistics.

79 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:32:09pm

re: #73 blastforth

It appears that becoming responsible for the safety of the nation does something to a person.

it's his job....#1 priority and he's hardly out of the woods yet

80 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:32:28pm

Let's hope Biden doesn't know any of these "State Secrets".

81 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:32:31pm

re: #67 freetoken

You evidently missed my entry (about that Pravda article) in the last thread.

That a theocratically minded Orthodox Russian nationalist writes a negative opinion about President Obama and the current US political/economic situation is not surprising. What I hadn't expected is how quickly the so called "conservative" bloggers in the US would so gleefully start loving Pravda.

Freetoken -

Until further notice, I prefer the old Soviet Equation -

In Pravda - No Izvestia - In Izvestia - No Pravda. That is all.

-S-

82 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:32:43pm

Now that I got that off my chest, seems like Orlando is running away with things!

83 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:32:46pm

re: #75 avanti

Thanks

84 songbird  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:33:34pm

re: #67 freetoken

You evidently missed my entry (about that Pravda article) in the last thread.

That a theocratically minded Orthodox Russian nationalist writes a negative opinion about President Obama and the current US political/economic situation is not surprising. What I hadn't expected is how quickly the so called "conservative" bloggers in the US would so gleefully start loving Pravda.

I surely don't love them. Just thought the article was kind of bizarre and interesting in the light of Obama's political upbringing.

85 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:33:55pm

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: *sigh* I have an elderly relative that pretty much watches nothing but christian religious programing on the tube. They just got a new satellite service, and is now getting such programing by the truckload.

So now I'm getting an ear full of "sekrit muslim" and "nirth certifikat" crap from this person. I suspect Hal Lindsey may be the culprit. I need a drink.

There are times here when the general consensus does not match my own opinions.

But you know - we can TRUST that LGF will separate the wheat from the chaff, the postings will be accurate, and that there will be many many informative and intelligent comments and points of view to consider.

Thank goodness for LGF.

86 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:34:23pm

re: #71 avanti

But are they giving him any credit for protecting national security?

87 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:34:33pm

re: #77 jaunte

This one looks good:
[Link: strangedog.com...]

I like that one.

I could always make one too. Check this out.

88 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:35:00pm

re: #81 Dr. Shalit

Freetoken -

Until further notice, I prefer the old Soviet Equation -

In Pravda - No Izvestia - In Izvestia - No Pravda. That is all.

Put another way: In News There Is No Truth.

89 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:35:27pm

re: #80 HelloDare

Too late for that!

90 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:36:07pm

re: #60 insanity police

OT:

I just received an Amazon Kindle 2 for a present. I think it is amazing. However, I'm worried about it getting dinged up or damaged. Does anyone have a case or accessory that they would suggest I buy to keep my Kindle safe?

Kindle covers.

91 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:36:19pm

re: #87 insanity police

I like that one.

I could always make one too. Check this out.

Good link; I saved that one, thanks!

92 callahan23  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:36:29pm

Gotta go Lizards. It's been a fine day commenting and laughing with you.
Thanks a million. I love you, mostly.
{Lizardim}

93 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:36:43pm

re: #86 Sharmuta

But are they giving him any credit for protecting national security?

I'll let you know if they give him credit for anything, it's like Bush in Kos land over there.

94 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:37:03pm

re: #71 avanti

Sounds like a whole corncopia of conspiracy theorists there. I almost feel ashamed of believing some of that list at first. Know I do wish I wouldn't have to see his mug plastered all over the place up here north of the border.

95 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:37:35pm

re: #86 Sharmuta

But are they giving him any credit for protecting national security?

Sharmuta -

If and moreso WHEN Pres. Obama protects National Security, I give him credit and applause. That is all.

-S-

96 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:39:13pm

This can't be right, Obama promised the "most open and honest administration ever". The troops came home, Gitmo was closed, he's living up to all his promises so far... but I still haven't received my unicorn.

97 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:40:36pm

re: #96 Yankee Division Son

This can't be right, Obama promised the "most open and honest administration ever". The troops came home, Gitmo was closed, he's living up to all his promises so far... but I still haven't received my unicorn.

Time for an LGF Poll:
Does President Obama make Jimmy Carter look like a saint?
_____ Yes
_____ No
_____ Ron Paul

98 spinmore  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:40:52pm

How does one feel in a closed room with men and women of substance; being briefed incessantly about the crisis 'of the hour'? Could it be a life changing experience (I mean a 'gut-level' life changing experience)? Could it make a hollow lib-socialist 'grow up'? . . . don't know?

99 songbird  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:41:06pm

Well, fellow Lizards, I must depart. We are sponging wireless until we get our own this week, and spongenet is unreliable.

All the best and hugs to HoosierHoops and other worthy lizards who would like a songbird hug. Greetings from Roughy and Feisty, our bearded dragons, who survived our strenuous move as well.

100 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:41:10pm

re: #96 Yankee Division Son

This can't be right, Obama promised the "most open and honest administration ever". The troops came home, Gitmo was closed, he's living up to all his promises so far... but I still haven't received my unicorn.

YD -

Yeah, right. Pres. BH Obama is on a Learning Curve. Hope he gets it right sooner than JFK.

-S-

101 Timbre  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:42:00pm

This kind of story makes me very sober. I mean seriously reflective. President Obama is probably getting NS briefings which make him very uneasy. And this seriousness makes me wonder how bad it really must be out there in terrorist / terrorist-state world. I'm very glad the Administration is proving my earlier doubts wrong.

102 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:42:06pm

re: #90 Charles

Kindle covers.


Thanks Charles.

I'm leaning towards something simple like the GelaSkin Protective Skin or this one.

The Kindle is really neat. Thanks for the heads up. I wouldn't have a clue what it was when I received it if I hadn't seen it on LGF first.

103 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:42:13pm

Programming note:
Magic by 18 at halftime...

104 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:42:47pm

re: #91 jaunte

Not sure I'm handy enough to pull if off, but it looks simple enough.

105 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:42:51pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

Programming note:
Magic by 18 at halftime...

LeBron who?

106 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:43:16pm

re: #95 Dr. Shalit

You don't consider this protecting national security?

107 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:43:22pm

re: #27 Fenway_Nation

Funny how the El Cubos didn't bat an eyelash when 0bama signed off on the 'stimulus' that was crammed through both houses on short notice because it was so vital.....

But now they're livid with him because he seems to have gone squishy on Gitmo and hasn't changed some of his predecessor's policies.

To be fair, that's partly because issues about FISA, Gitmo, torture, etc were all being discussed for years and were a part of the election. Many people voted for him believing he'd change Bush's policies.

On the other hand, the economic collapse happened so quickly and so late in the election cycle....and in fact the full extent of it wasn't even known until after Obama was elected. So people who already supported him were simply inclined to believe what he said about it.

I'm not surprised by the decisions he's made on defense.

108 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:43:37pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

Programming note:
Magic by 18 at halftime...

Purt near a done deal.

109 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:43:47pm

re: #101 Timbre

This kind of story makes me very sober. I mean seriously reflective. President Obama is probably getting NS briefings which make him very uneasy. And this seriousness makes me wonder how bad it really must be out there in terrorist / terrorist-state world. I'm very glad the Administration is proving my earlier doubts wrong.

I wonder if any of the briefers have used the following language in their briefs to POTUS: "With all due respect, Mr. President, we are not fucking around, this is no bullshit. This is the real thing, sir."

110 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:44:31pm

re: #98 spinmore

Probably not...

111 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:46:03pm

re: #71 avanti

Yow. HotAir continues to prove it's aptly named on a daily basis.

112 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:46:25pm
113 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:46:31pm

Dang...stuck on the spinning pinwheel o'doom.

114 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:47:36pm

Does anybody really think Cheney's National Security rants were about politics? Absolutely not. They were about calling attention to Ø's deficiencies in hope that he'd make positive changes.

115 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:49:03pm

re: #80 HelloDare

Let's hope Biden doesn't know any of these "State Secrets".

Haha-- true. I think Wanda Sykes said something like that at the White House Correspondents Dinner-- "No one would have to waterboard Joe to find anything out--all Al Quaeda would have to do is ask him. They wouldn't be able to shut him up."

116 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:49:09pm

Liberals who see things like this have learned to run into the back room and stuff their head in the trashcan where nobody can see it when it explodes.

Meanwhile, TNR is catching lots of head and jumps to the defense on the sotto voice hit piece on Sotomayer....

[Link: blogs.tnr.com...]

117 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:49:26pm

OK, so 0's not clueless on national security. Now on economics and piling up trillions of dollars in debt, he takes clueless to a whole new level.

118 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:49:40pm

/pimf "head" == "heat"

119 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:50:31pm

OT:

Anyone watching the Wings v Penguins?

Go WINGS! They just SCORED!

120 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:51:21pm

re: #96 Yankee Division Son

This can't be right, Obama promised the "most open and honest administration ever". The troops came home, Gitmo was closed, he's living up to all his promises so far... but I still haven't received my unicorn.

Ha-- yeah, where's my pony? I was promised freedom and democracy and a pony!

Obama was satirically nicknamed the "Magical Unity Pony" during the election by some on the left (and middle).

121 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:51:24pm

re: #108 itellu3times

Purt near a done deal.

I can't say anything dang it! Lizards here know for the last 30 days of play offs my comments have ended up so wrong...My face is so red..But I'm angling for a multimillion dollar Contract from ESPN.. I got those guys cold..:)

122 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:51:29pm

re: #117 Kreuzueber Halbmond

OK, so 0's not clueless on national security. Now on economics and piling up trillions of dollars in debt, he takes clueless to a whole new level.

You still have to count the Pelosi/Reid congress as "most complicit" in that, I think most Americans are even though O should have vetoed, he's at 67 pct, Congress 29 ...

123 brookly red  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:52:46pm

re: #117 Kreuzueber Halbmond

OK, so 0's not clueless on national security. Now on economics and piling up trillions of dollars in debt, he takes clueless to a whole new level.

a bankrupt nation is pretty hard to secure.

124 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:53:06pm

re: #101 Timbre

This kind of story makes me very sober. I mean seriously reflective. President Obama is probably getting NS briefings which make him very uneasy. And this seriousness makes me wonder how bad it really must be out there in terrorist / terrorist-state world. I'm very glad the Administration is proving my earlier doubts wrong.

Timbre -

It is REALLY BAD - As It ALWAYS HAS BEEN - since the late 1700's/Early 1800's.
We are STILL FIGHTING THE BARBARY PIRATES, in OUR TIME and SPACE. "THEY" still expect US to surrender because the Qua'ran tells them so.
Technologically, though expensively, they CAN be defeated - Their Noses Pushed in the DIRT, their Females lamenting the Defeat.

Go from there. That is all. (By the Way - How Many Folks that You Know Worship ZEUS Today?)

-S-

125 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:53:06pm

re: #98 spinmore

Many people commenting on Pres. Obama before the the election made claims that he was a pragmatist, not an ideologue. Perhaps we are seeing that?

126 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:53:26pm

re: #114 unrealizedviewpoint

Does anybody really think Cheney's National Security rants were about politics? Absolutely not. They were about calling attention to Ø's deficiencies in hope that he'd make positive changes.

Actually, he's not getting any younger so I think Cheney speaking out was about him defending his legacy he had the chance. The MSM and El Cubos can piss on his grave all they want after he's gone, but until then if they bring up national security, you're damn right he's going to have something to say about it.

127 Wide Right  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:53:50pm

re: #119 insanity police

Got the hockey game on here. Should be a great series. Go Pens.

128 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:54:06pm
129 brookly red  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:54:51pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

I can't say anything dang it! Lizards here know for the last 30 days of play offs my comments have ended up so wrong...My face is so red..But I'm angling for a multimillion dollar Contract from ESPN.. I got those guys cold..:)

perhaps a career as a financial adviser?

130 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:55:17pm

re: #71 avanti

Here's comment on Hot Air about the rule addressing petitioning about stimulus money that they are turning into shutting down the blogs and free speech. They are ready to man the barricades over there:

The economic meltdown in particular has put a great deal of pressure on hard-working, tax-paying, and therefore conservative Americans. It is unfortunate, but not surprising, that a certain number of them will go right over the edge.
Factors in this range from the reprehensible (latent racism coming to the surface after Obama's election) to the understandable (war weariness) to the wholly legitimate (concern over Obama's reckless economic policies). The usual mob of commercial demogogues and conspiracy theorists are ready as always to exploit and fuel this disaffection for their own gain.

This is a notably law-abiding demographic, however, and it has a lot to lose, so I wouldn't expect any serious violence.
It is still dangerous to use this kind of rhetoric to blow off steam, though, since sooner or later someone on the extreme fringe, a Tim McVeigh, will decide to act on it.

131 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:55:33pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

I can't say anything dang it! Lizards here know for the last 30 days of play offs my comments have ended up so wrong...My face is so red..But I'm angling for a multimillion dollar Contract from ESPN.. I got those guys cold..:)

Well I'm just saying the obvious ... and even that can go wrong.

I wasn't predicting much of anything about the Lakers, more hoping they'd win than being certain they would, and sometimes I could barely even watch.

I think Lakers vs Orlando will be a heck of a series - and Lakers would have home court, which they wouldn't against Cavs.

132 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:55:40pm

Obama gets praise for doing the same thing Bush was vilified for.

Welcome to the next four years of your life.

133 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:56:16pm

re: #123 brookly red

a bankrupt nation is pretty hard to secure.

Sure but why bother, is someone going to invade and steal our debt?
/

134 anchors_aweigh  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:56:22pm

Divulging classified information, by definition, damages national security. The higher the classification, the more damage to national security.

Top Secret (TS)
The highest level of classification of material on a national level. Such material would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if publicly available.
Secret
Such material would cause "grave damage" to national security if publicly available.
Confidential
Such material would cause "damage" or be "prejudicial" to national security if publicly available.

Seems to me we are setting the national security bar kinda low by praising the administration for not divulging classified information. There should be no question that they will not divulge classified information.

What's next? A parade...when terrorists are not brought into the US?

135 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:56:37pm
136 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:56:41pm

re: #127 Wide Right

Got the hockey game on here. Should be a great series. Go Pens.

It should be an excellent series. Sorry in advance for another heart=breaking finals. =) Wings in 5.

137 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:57:38pm

re: #129 brookly red

perhaps a career as a financial adviser?

Good luck with that...I don't get to see the checkbook...I hear it's green right?
LOL

138 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:57:43pm

re: #135 unrealizedviewpoint

Ø the college years.

I think he inhaled.

139 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:57:47pm

re: #132 loppyd

Obama gets praise for doing the same thing Bush was vilified for.

Welcome to the next four years of your life.

The way the "base" is reacting right now better make that 8. That's my prediction if this continues.

140 snowcrash  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:58:10pm

re: #131 itellu3times

I could go for watching Dwight Howard a little longer! LOL

141 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:58:24pm

re: #139 Thanos

The way the "base" is reacting right now better make that 8. That's my prediction if this continues.

For pointing out the glaring double standard?

142 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:58:51pm

re: #122 Thanos

You still have to count the Pelosi/Reid congress as "most complicit" in that, I think most Americans are even though O should have vetoed, he's at 67 pct, Congress 29 ...

In 2012, the economy will have Obama's name written all over it. He is the Carter of this age, and should enjoy his 67% while it lasts.

143 brookly red  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:58:53pm

re: #133 itellu3times

Sure but why bother, is someone going to invade and steal our debt?
/

*sigh* so we don't get conquered, we just get reposed.

144 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:59:24pm

re: #132 loppyd

Obama gets praise for doing the same thing Bush was vilified for.

Welcome to the next four years of your life.

It's the Obama Mojo. But it don't work on me.

145 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 30, 2009 6:59:31pm

re: #126 Fenway_Nation

Actually, he's not getting any younger so I think Cheney speaking out was about him defending his legacy he had the chance. The MSM and El Cubos can piss on his grave all they want after he's gone, but until then if they bring up national security, you're damn right he's going to have something to say about it.

Cheney was protecting his country. His legacy would have better served saying nothing and allowing what will happen happen.

146 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:01:05pm

re: #125 freetoken

Many people commenting on Pres. Obama before the the election made claims that he was a pragmatist, not an ideologue. Perhaps we are seeing that?

I think that's exactly right. Many people voted for him because they believed him to be a pragmatist; this is one reason why he captured moderates and independents. I think that's what's going on here.

Of course, many people voted for him believing he'd usher in a glorious pacifist utopia--those are the people whose heads are exploding over his defense decisions, in particular the same decisions that LGF is pleasantly surprised at.

147 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:01:06pm

re: #141 loppyd

For pointing out the glaring double standard?

Doesn't matter, Obama's heart is in the right place.

148 wiffersnapper  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:01:12pm

The Kossacks must be livid.

149 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:01:33pm

re: #131 itellu3times

Well I'm just saying the obvious ... and even that can go wrong.

I wasn't predicting much of anything about the Lakers, more hoping they'd win than being certain they would, and sometimes I could barely even watch.

I think Lakers vs Orlando will be a heck of a series - and Lakers would have home court, which they wouldn't against Cavs.

You realize that I dream of Jack Nickelson sitting at his kitchen table alone..unshaven,,a beaten man...early in the morning staring off into to space..Drinking Vodka Straight up...Heart broken about the Lakers...
LOL

150 spinmore  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:01:40pm

re: #125 freetoken

Many people commenting on Pres. Obama before the the election made claims that he was a pragmatist, not an ideologue. Perhaps we are seeing that?


Perhaps.
But "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?"
"The Shadow knows"

151 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:01:45pm

re: #132 loppyd

Obama gets praise for doing the same thing Bush was vilified for.

Welcome to the next four years of your life.

loppyd -

AND - thank your deity that The He - DOES. I would prefer that he was the Head Dog Catcher of Chicago. As things ARE - he is our President. When he gets it Right, I Applaud - When He Doesn't - I Piss and Moan. That is all.

-S-

152 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:01:47pm

Rod Blagojevich's wife is filling in for him on the t.v. show "I'm a celebrity, get me out of here" according to the ad I just saw on NBC

153 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:01:50pm

re: #141 loppyd

For pointing out the glaring double standard?

ummm no. Instead for choking on the chum that Obama's flinging and ignoring the essentials. He should have someone on board saying "I think you're going to need a bigger boat!" but instead they are comfortably able to point and laugh as the pundits swim in circles fighting over the same rancid fish guts.

154 Wide Right  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:02:04pm

re: #136 insanity police

Yeah, you're probably right. As a Sharks fan, I just can't bring myself to root for the Wings. I'd really like to see Crosby win a Cup, but in the end, not this year.

155 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:02:22pm

re: #132 loppyd

Obama gets praise for doing the same thing Bush was vilified for.

Welcome to the next four years of your life.

Uh, no. Obama is being vilified by the left on this issue, just like Bush was. He's getting cautious approval for it at LGF, just like Bush did.

156 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:03:41pm
157 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:04:12pm

re: #145 unrealizedviewpoint

Cheney was protecting his country. His legacy would have better served saying nothing and allowing what will happen happen.

Quite correct, but apparently he cares more about the country than the previous administration's legacy. I think they call that a patriot.

158 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:04:48pm

re: #151 Dr. Shalit

loppyd -

AND - thank your deity that The He - DOES. I would prefer that he was the Head Dog Catcher of Chicago. As things ARE - he is our President. When he gets it Right, I Applaud - When He Doesn't - I Piss and Moan. That is all.

-S-

Of course I'm relieved, but that doesn't make him any less of a blatant hypocrite.

159 Cato the Elder  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:04:52pm

re: #140 snowcrash

I'm reading the Neal Stephenson novel your nic is from, by the way. On my new Kindle. It's cool.

160 insanity police  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:05:04pm

re: #154 Wide Right

Yeah, you're probably right. As a Sharks fan, I just can't bring myself to root for the Wings. I'd really like to see Crosby win a Cup, but in the end, not this year.

Crosby is a great player. He'll get his name on the cup, I'd bet. But hopefully not yet.

161 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:05:15pm

re: #149 HoosierHoops

You realize that I dream of Jack Nickelson sitting at his kitchen table alone..unshaven,,a beaten man...early in the morning staring off into to space..Drinking Vodka Straight up...Heart broken about the Lakers...
LOL

from great suffering, comes great art.
/

162 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:05:39pm

re: #146 iceweasel

I think that's exactly right. Many people voted for him because they believed him to be a pragmatist; this is one reason why he captured moderates and independents. I think that's what's going on here.

Of course, many people voted for him believing he'd usher in a glorious pacifist utopia--those are the people whose heads are exploding over his defense decisions, in particular the same decisions that LGF is pleasantly surprised at.

bullshit...most voters have no clue what a pragmatist is...he was not captured...he was handed to the electorate via the MSM...most of the people that voted for him are droolers that have no clue what he is or what he intended to do...AmIdol politics...liberals are idiots

163 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:06:31pm

re: #155 Charles

Uh, no. Obama is being vilified for the left on this issue, just like Bush was. He's getting cautious approval for it at LGF, just like Bush did.

Bush was vilified by the left and the MSM.

The MSM provides cover for his flip flops like nobody's business.

164 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:06:33pm

re: #146 iceweasel

I think that's exactly right. Many people voted for him because they believed him to be a pragmatist; this is one reason why he captured moderates and independents. I think that's what's going on here.

Of course, many people voted for him believing he'd usher in a glorious pacifist utopia--those are the people whose heads are exploding over his defense decisions, in particular the same decisions that LGF is pleasantly surprised at.

Put me in the pragmatist camp, I never expected or hoped for what is described in your second paragraph.

165 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:06:56pm

re: #163 loppyd

Bush was vilified by the left and the MSM.

The MSM provides cover for his flip flops like nobody's business.

His meaning Obama, of course.

166 jcm  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:08:17pm

re: #146 iceweasel

I think that's exactly right. Many people voted for him because they believed him to be a pragmatist; this is one reason why he captured moderates and independents. I think that's what's going on here.

Of course, many people voted for him believing he'd usher in a glorious pacifist utopia--those are the people whose heads are exploding over his defense decisions, in particular the same decisions that LGF is pleasantly surprised at.

The voters don't know who Obama is, the media didn't dig out his background.

The voters bought the snake oil of hope and change.

Now when Obama happens to get one right, the hope and change crowd is pissed of, and those of on the right pray to god we see more.

167 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:09:09pm

re: #158 loppyd

Of course I'm relieved, but that doesn't make him any less of a blatant hypocrite.

loppyd -

Last I saw Hypocrisy is the Tribute that Vice Pays to Virtue. That is all.

-S-

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:09:47pm

re: #85 reine.de.tout

Just venting. It can get a bit frustrating/depressing/tiresome dealing with a relative that has the memory span of a gnat. Not trying to be nasty, but that's the truth. Age related dementia.

This person is open and receptive to corrective facts, in a very agreeable sort of way, but just never remembers the conversations. And when the "sekrit muslim nithers" on the boob tube have their undivided attention 24/7, whereas I am only around a couple of hours every other day, it's the crap from the idiot box that sticks.

169 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:10:22pm

re: #128 Iron Fist

No, I think he knows exactly what he is doing there. He's tooo smart a man not to. Not that I see that as reassuring, mind you.

Nope, not very reassuring to have your president attacking the capitalist system, wanting to replace it with something approaching communism.

170 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:10:27pm

When comparing Obama to Jimmy Carter it might be useful to remember Jimmy Carter was somewhat unique in his malfeasance, at least on the foreign policy/defense policy end of things. Carter for instance wanted a unilateral withdrawl of ALL American forces from South Korea, and wanted to cancel the B-1 bomber (along with several other weapons platforms). At this stage of the game Carter comparisons are not only premature but silly.

171 jcm  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:11:07pm

re: #169 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Nope, not very reassuring to have your president attacking the capitalist system, wanting to replace it with something approaching communism.

But very predictable.

172 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:11:22pm

re: #164 avanti

Put me in the pragmatist camp, I never expected or hoped for what is described in your second paragraph.

Same here.

173 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:11:25pm

CHANGE!

Obama: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me


For one thing, under an Obama presidency, Americans will be able to leave behind the era of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and "wiretaps without warrants," he said. (He was referring to the lingering legal fallout over reports that the National Security Agency scooped up Americans' phone and Internet activities without court orders, ostensibly to monitor terrorist plots, in the years after the September 11 attacks.)
174 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:11:47pm

Remember a few years ago when Kos and others were busted for having a "secret" group (I think it was arranged through MYDD or something) to assemble talking points and coordinate pushing stories? Anyone think the righty blogs are doing the same thing now? ....or maybe there's some sort of instinctive collective unconscious thing going on.

175 jcm  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:12:21pm

re: #170 MrPaulRevere

When comparing Obama to Jimmy Carter it might be useful to remember Jimmy Carter was somewhat unique in his malfeasance, at least on the foreign policy/defense policy end of things. Carter for instance wanted a unilateral withdrawl of ALL American forces from South Korea, and wanted to cancel the B-1 bomber (along with several other weapons platforms). At this stage of the game Carter comparisons are not only premature but silly.

Obama has a long way to go to match Rabbit Bait's criminal malfeasance.

176 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:13:00pm

I think it's going to take about another four months before the right realizes that Obama is the left's Reagan. His skin's not black, it's teflon. Once that dawns in a few more quarters we can get serious about building the base and readying for 2010.

177 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:13:58pm

re: #168 Slumbering Behemoth

When I get old enough for my brain to start going (any day now) I'm going to sit in my garden and maybe build those stupid ships in bottles or something. I'm going to give up politics, current events, news, everything.

178 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:14:05pm

Would someone please forward this article to President Ø and Nancy. Millionaires Go Missing

/don't bother, it's about fairness, I forgot.

179 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:14:08pm

re: #161 itellu3times

from great suffering, comes great art.
/

The greatest athletes in the world...Even an NFL player wouldn't last 2 minutes on an NBA court..The speed makes your lungs burn..Legs turn to jelly.. They have speed..Moves..Strength..skills..

180 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:14:12pm

re: #172 iceweasel

Same here.

people want to intellectualize this election...BO was handed the office via the MSM who also cooked up the vehicle...BDS...it's all a fantasy...blah blah blah....what a bunch of stooges and now you want to split hairs over and over....good grief

181 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:14:37pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Remember a few years ago when Kos and others were busted for having a "secret" group (I think it was arranged through MYDD or something) to assemble talking points and coordinate pushing stories? Anyone think the righty blogs are doing the same thing now? ....or maybe there's some sort of instinctive collective unconscious thing going on.

The righty blogs have been doing that for ages, or at least the people who feed the righty blogs have.

182 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:16:37pm

They flip-flop.

You are wishy-washy.

I am pragmatic.

183 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:17:25pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Remember a few years ago when Kos and others were busted for having a "secret" group (I think it was arranged through MYDD or something) to assemble talking points and coordinate pushing stories? Anyone think the righty blogs are doing the same thing now? ....or maybe there's some sort of instinctive collective unconscious thing going on.

so what?....I don't do "righty blogs"....what's your point?

184 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:17:54pm

re: #183 albusteve

Just wondering.

185 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:18:47pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

...or maybe there's some sort of instinctive collective unconscious thing going on.

It is not too conspiratorial (hopefully...) to think that a few large media conglomerates are pushing the same story-lines via different actors. I've brought up Premier Radio (Clear Channel) before, and how their radio shows and websites push the same stories, and often have the same advertisers.

Likewise Murdoch inc. has a vested interest in pushing stories that will differentiate their product from that of the GE/NBC empire.

I don't believe these are backroom-type conspiracies as much as Madison-avenue type group manipulation.

Intensity sells, sex sells, violence sells.... dry logical reasoning does not.

186 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:18:56pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Just wondering.

yeah...me too...I'm a old time conservative and I'm pissed

187 snowcrash  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:19:20pm

re: #159 Cato the Elder
I am jealous. The Borders Books I visit has a Sony Reader and a Kindle on display. The Sony is RED! but the Kindle gets great reviews from LGFers. Big plus.

188 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:21:04pm

re: #187 snowcrash

I am jealous. The Borders Books I visit has a Sony Reader and a Kindle on display. The Sony is RED! but the Kindle gets great reviews from LGFers. Big plus.

Consumer Reports tested both this month and choose the Kindle over the Sony and it was even the Kindle 1.

189 snowcrash  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:23:40pm

re: #188 avanti
You can download erotica and not be embarrassed at the checkout! Woohoo. Yeah I know, TMI.

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:24:04pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

Sounds like a good plan. You build the boats, I'll sniff the glue.
/

191 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:25:06pm

re: #171 jcm

But very predictable.

I used to travel with the communist types. They take that Prairie Fire stuff seriously. People will have to wake up to the fact that many of them are now running the show. Carter era inflation will seem tame compared to Obama era inflation. It's coming.

192 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:27:13pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Remember a few years ago when Kos and others were busted for having a "secret" group (I think it was arranged through MYDD or something) to assemble talking points and coordinate pushing stories? Anyone think the righty blogs are doing the same thing now? ....or maybe there's some sort of instinctive collective unconscious thing going on.

I remember that well--it was a mailing list, i believe, (or possibly a listserv?) and people claimed that it was being used to coordinate and disseminate talking points from Kos.

Do people here read memeorandum? I love that site:
[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]

It gives you a snapshot of what the most talked about stories are at any given moment all across the net, citing all kinds of sources--right, left, MSM, bloggers--it's awesome. It's a great way to see what going on.

193 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:29:16pm

re: #185 freetoken

It is not too conspiratorial (hopefully...) to think that a few large media conglomerates are pushing the same story-lines via different actors. I've brought up Premier Radio (Clear Channel) before, and how their radio shows and websites push the same stories, and often have the same advertisers.

Likewise Murdoch inc. has a vested interest in pushing stories that will differentiate their product from that of the GE/NBC empire.

I don't believe these are backroom-type conspiracies as much as Madison-avenue type group manipulation.

Intensity sells, sex sells, violence sells.... dry logical reasoning does not.

I agree with you on all counts. Well said.

194 David Simon  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:29:34pm

I will applaud the Obama administration for doing the right thing in this case. Of course, there probably wouldn't be an issue if the government didn't accidentally hand the plaintiff's attorneys top secret documents in the first place...

195 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:52:23pm

re: #168 Slumbering Behemoth

Sleepy -

The President IS an American Citizen by virtue of the fact that "Sydney" was an American Citizen. Just as GEORGE Romney was a US Citizen by birth. I oppose Pres. Obama on about 80-90% of his Program Because to Me -re: #187 snowcrash

I am jealous. The Borders Books I visit has a Sony Reader and a Kindle on display. The Sony is RED! but the Kindle gets great reviews from LGFers. Big plus.

Snowcrash -

The SONY is good as well, Title Availability, NOT as good as Kindle - AND -
The Software Company who can "Get It All" on a "Netbook" has a Hell of a Market. I see "Readers" as a Netbook Application. I could be wrong, and have NOT always been so.

-S-

196 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:38:10pm

re: #163 loppyd

Bush was vilified by the left and the MSM.

I think it's more accurate to say that Bush was vilified by some of the MSM, for the final few months of his second term.

For years, particularly after 9/11, the MSM as a whole were on the Bush bandwagon beyond any measure of reason, and they ignored or overlooked dozens, if not hundreds, of blunders that would have created scandals in more normal times. They only "turned against" him when nearly all of his crapshoots turned up snake-eyes, and the cumulative damage to our country became unavoidable. Better late than never.

197 doubter4444  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:20:18pm

re: #71 avanti

Here's comment on Hot Air about the rule addressing petitioning about stimulus money that they are turning into shutting down the blogs and free speech. They are ready to man the barricades over there:

* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hate-mongers and violent radicals - Check
* believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimidating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check
* Takes control of large companies and the economy as a whole - Check
* Attacks the very business leaders who supported his rise once in power - Check
* Whitewashing/removal of political opponents from history (deleting Bush’s Twitter updates) - Check

At some point, the adults need to defend the truth before this gets even crazier.

This is F@#$ing crazy.
What happened to Capt. Ed?
This is pure hate talk. They will not take responsibility for their actions. And this will lead to something bad.
This country can not afford this kind of irresponsible ground laying.
I don't give a rats ass if the argument was "the lefties did it too!" The real fact is that this hate and venom is completely out of whack for what is happening in the real world, and the level of worrisome speech is coming from news outlets and major players sooner and more harshly than Bush 2000.
If you recall, Gore ACTUALLY conceded the election, and if I remember, asked the country to get behind the new president.
Now we have hundreds of thousands (or more) of people how publicly denounce the president of the United States, and wish for him to fail or worse, for him to well... something.

This is the truth. This is where we are.
I was an adult in 2000, and I think the vitriol then has no match or what is happening now.
I think I'm pretty moderate, with a strong lean to the right.
And I'm getting worried.

198 FabioC.  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:15:56am

Well, I cannot really criticize Obama for this.

However, where's the change?
Only hope is left, and that is running pretty thin too.

199 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:39:17am

re: #45 Sharmuta

Shug is one of my favorites here.

I'm blushing

200 The Undead Buddy Holly  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:55:00pm

The assertion (not new) is that government can slap a state secrets label on any action it performs and then it is beyond the review of congress, the courts and the people affected.

What could possibly go wrong?


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