The White House is Not ‘Cutting Off Criticism’

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Hot Air readers are freaking out over this post by Ed Morrissey, claiming that the Obama administration is “silencing criticism” of the stimulus bill and violating America’s First Amendment rights: White House: We’ll cut off criticism of Porkulus.

Here’s the post at the White House website on this issue: Update on Recovery Act Lobbying Rules: New Limits on Special Interest Influence.

The facts:

This restriction applies to people who are commenting on stimulus claims. They’re not allowed to communicate with government representatives responsible for a particular claim unless they put it in writing, after the claim is filed but before the money is awarded. This is obviously intended to prevent corruption, and make sure that any claims for stimulus money are completely above board. The purpose is to stop unscrupulous people from promising graft or bribes in an oral, off the record communication.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. It’s a responsible move, to prevent abuse of stimulus funds.

Can we please stop hyperventilating now?

UPDATE at 5/30/09 8:24:19 pm:

Craziest blog post yet on this non-issue: Pamela “Atlas Shrieks” Geller is calling for an “insurrrection.” [sic]

Is America going to take this laying down. This is coup.Smooth, slick and Obamafied but America is most certainly underattack from within. We need an insurrrection. We must fight this, the pussified Republicans are stuck in some impotent inertia. We need Washington! Jefferson! Paine! Calling all Americans!

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908 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:16:06pm
Can we please stop hyperventialting now?


But he's going to put all the Republican car dealers in FEMA Camps to close down the Tea Parties because he has no Nirth Certifikit!

2 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:16:35pm
To that end, comments (unless initiated by an agency official) must be in writing and will be posted on the Internet for every American to see.

Every comment? Or just the ones that make the cut?

3 JCM  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:17:15pm

*huff* hand *puff* me *huff* a *puff* paper *puff* bag *wheeze* please!

/////

4 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:17:32pm

You are going to catch it now C-man. :)

5 JCM  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:18:01pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

But he's going to put all the Republican car dealers in FEMA Camps to close down the Tea Parties because he has no Nirth Certifikit!

Where was Obama on 9/11?

Huh?

Huh?

6 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:18:21pm

OMG! THEIR SILENCING PEOPLE!

/crazy Pam

7 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:18:32pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

But he's going to put all the Republican car dealers in FEMA Joy Camps to close down the Tea Parties because he has no Nirth Certifikit!

FTFY.

8 HAL2010  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:18:57pm
This is obviously intended to prevent corruption, and make sure that any claims for stimulus money are completely above board. The purpose is to prevent someone from promising graft or bribes in an oral, off the record communication.

The march towards fascism continues!

9 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:19:33pm

I remember reading Captains Quarters back in '04, especially for the foreign policy news and analysis which I thought was pretty good. Time passes and things change, and not always for the better I suppose.

10 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:19:36pm

re: #5 JCM

Where was Obama on 9/11?

Huh?

Huh?

I hear his nirth certificate was in WTC 7

11 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:19:45pm

Government agencies has a long track record of keeping written correspondence for even the most mundane of functions. It's standard CYA.

12 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:19:55pm

re: #8 HAL2010

The march towards fascism hopenchange continues!

FTFY.

13 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:20:42pm

re: #6 Bloodnok

OMG! THEIR SILENCING PEOPLE!

/crazy Pam

I think she's busy going crazy over Geert getting canceled in TN.

14 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:20:43pm

Charles, why do you hate hyperventilation?

/

15 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:21:15pm

re: #13 Thanos

I think she's busy going crazy over Geert getting canceled in TN.

He won't get to visit Dollyworld?

16 alegrias  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:21:22pm

Have you seen images showing those gigantic new signs next to "shovel ready porkulus projects" that say "This [bailout] project brought to you by the American Recovery Act of 2009"?

17 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:21:31pm

Only after I am give a government provided paper bag...

18 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:21:42pm

re: #5 JCM

He was smoking pot with Alex Jones and Jimmy Hoffa at Howard Huges' weekly poker game. Elvis and the Loch Ness Monster show up sometimes too. It's big fun, I'll see if I can get you an invite.

19 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:22:22pm

re: #16 alegrias

Have you seen images showing those gigantic new signs next to "shovel ready porkulus projects" that say "This [bailout] project brought to you by the American Recovery Act of 2009"?

Sincerely,
Dear Leader

20 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:22:29pm

"Hyperventilation is the engine of web traffic."
-- John William Cheyne-Stokes

21 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:22:56pm

I read this the same way as Charles. It does , however limit comment by these groups via threat. And that in and of itself may be unconstitutional as all citizens have the right to petition the government and have freedom of speech. In other words this does not affect me or thee, but still is bad law.

22 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:23:04pm

They been getting their hate on over B. O'Reilly quite a bit lately. Seems kinda funny to me. "Ha ha" funny, that is.

23 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:24:48pm

The interesting part of the government's history of written correspondence is it's moved from paper to digital with the computer revolution. Now correspondence can be emails, and it's a much more difficult thing to fake correspondence than it is with written documents because of the metadata contained in emails, and other recoverable information that can be revealed forensically.

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:25:03pm

re: #21 pat

And that in and of itself may be unconstitutional as all citizens have the right to petition the government and have freedom of speech.


There's no limit to their speech. The only limitation is they can't speck off the record and submit it in writing so it can be part of the public record. What's wrong with that. In fact it's a good thing.

25 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:25:16pm

re: #22 Slumbering Behemoth

Actually they burned O'Reilly big time. And clearly he does not read his own blog. He as is as ignorant about the internet as he professes. And in that respect is a buffoon.

26 JCM  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:25:43pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

He was smoking pot with Alex Jones and Jimmy Hoffa at Howard Huges' weekly poker game. Elvis and the Loch Ness Monster show up sometimes too. It's big fun, I'll see if I can get you an invite.

LOL!

27 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:25:46pm

The really hot item, I expect, to burgeon overnight and the coming days is the President's coming Egypt visit, and his "personal commitment" to Muslims statement, which is already getting top play on some sites.

This whole stimulus contracting rule stuff will blow over and be forgotten soon, except by the diehard Alex Jones/Bircher crowd.

28 alegrias  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:25:49pm

re: #19 Ward Cleaver

Sincerely,
Dear Leader

** * * *
Exactly!

Aren't there McCain campaign finance reform laws to prevent that sort of grandstanding & self-congratulating with our tax dollars?

It seems very "to the victor go the spoils".

29 KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:26:32pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

can't speck off the record


You stink.

30 HAL2010  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:26:48pm
Can we please stop hyperventilating now?


Confess and be rid of your sins!
How much are they paying you?

31 Drogheda  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:27:23pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

There's no limit to their speech. The only limitation is they can't speck off the record and submit it in writing so it can be part of the public record. What's wrong with that. In fact it's a good thing.

That's my reading of it. Has to be in writing so as to be part of the public record. And I don't see a problem with that. Looks like it is intended to keep everything above board.

32 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:27:28pm

re: #21 pat

I read this the same way as Charles. It does , however limit comment by these groups via threat. And that in and of itself may be unconstitutional as all citizens have the right to petition the government and have freedom of speech. In other words this does not affect me or thee, but still is bad law.

It only limits private, under the table speech:

" To that end, comments (unless initiated by an agency official) must be in writing and will be posted on the Internet for every American to see."

33 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:28:05pm

re: #26 JCM

It sucks on night when the UFO gang shows up. All that anal probing and it takes forever to remove the tracking chips they implant.

34 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:28:55pm

re: #32 avanti

It only limits private, under the table speech:

" To that end, comments (unless initiated by an agency official) must be in writing and will be posted on the Internet for every American to see."

Good Evening Chief

35 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:29:59pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Chief

Back at you hoops.

36 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:30:37pm
37 Irenicum  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:31:06pm

Oh, just let them keep hyper-ventilating. Then they can pass out and stop bothering everyone else!

38 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:31:49pm

albusteve: that's really not cool.

39 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:31:55pm

re: #21 pat

I read this the same way as Charles. It does , however limit comment by these groups via threat. And that in and of itself may be unconstitutional as all citizens have the right to petition the government and have freedom of speech. In other words this does not affect me or thee, but still is bad law.

It doesn't limit anyone's freedom of speech. You're still free to say anything you want to any government official. However, if you're currently competing for stimulus funds that haven't been allocated yet, and if you wish to contact someone in the government about the funding that you're trying to get, and if you weren't the one who initiated the communication, then you'll have to say it in writing, and the rest of the world may get to see what you said. That's all.

40 JCM  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:32:05pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

It sucks on night when the UFO gang shows up. All that anal probing and it takes forever to remove the tracking chips they implant.

I hope they don't show up unannounced, I really don't like surprises like that.

41 HAL2010  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:32:07pm

re: #37 Irenicum

Oh, just let them keep hyper-ventilating. Then they can pass out and stop bothering everyone else!

If there is one thing I have learnt about CT people it is that they don't shut up.

42 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:32:50pm

re: #35 avanti

Back at you hoops.

We ar having a get down serious storm going on...You can see for miles when the lighting strikes..The thunder rocks..My dog is totally freaking out..
Indiana

43 albusteve  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:33:02pm

re: #38 Charles

albusteve: that's really not cool.

youre right...I regret it and apologize...I'm out

44 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:33:15pm

Thank you, Charles. Wasn't quite sure what to make of this earlier.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:33:19pm

re: #25 pat

Actually they burned O'Reilly big time. And clearly he does not read his own blog. He as is as ignorant about the internet as he professes. And in that respect is a buffoon.

I consider him a buffoon in pretty much all respects. Actually, I take that back. I think he is a bloviating, moronic, narcissistic, jack-ass.

They are burning him good, though, and they got him dead to rights.

I guess what I find humorous about this is that if I were to share my opinion of him over there before this latest kerfuffle, I bet a fairly large percentage of HA commenters would try to rip me a knew one. But now? My opinion would probably get a big round of high-fives.

46 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:33:51pm
47 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:34:29pm

re: #46 avanti

OOPs. You quoted a deleted post.

48 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:35:03pm

re: #42 HoosierHoops

We ar having a get down serious storm going on...You can see for miles when the lighting strikes..The thunder rocks..My dog is totally freaking out..
Indiana

We got a nasty storm last night, no idea how we kept the power on.

49 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:35:07pm

Here are some freeper comments about the President's "commitment" comment:

You know that in 20 years the dirty buggers will have bred fast enough here in the US that they will be able to elect their own President? Its time to put a bounty on the dirty buggers and clear him and them out.


9 posted on May 30, 2009 5:20:42 PM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)

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To: Concho
they have elected their own


11 posted on May 30, 2009 5:21:34 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)


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Make him show his real birth certificate in order to get back into the country.


16 posted on May 30, 2009 5:23:28 PM PDT by NorseWood


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He is making his personal commitment tonight with a fag party at the Embassy. I am sure the Muslims will appreciate that.


28 posted on May 30, 2009 5:41:48 PM PDT by Venturer


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A recent email I received from a freind retired from the U.S. Foreign Service. Somebody sent him this eamil:
Make what you will of it..... This is from [omitted] . .

"I was at Blockbusters on Saturday renting videos, and I was going along the wall and there was a video called "Obama". I told the men next to me that I wouldn't waste my time. We talked about Obama. These guys were Arabs and I asked them why they thought Michele Obama headed home following her visit in France instead of traveling on to Saudi Arabia and Turkey with her husband. They said she couldn't go to Saudi Arabia, Turkey or Iraq.

I said "Laura Bush went to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Dubai ."

They said that Obama is a Muslim and by Muslim law he would not be allowed to bring his wife into the countries that accept Shari Law. Just thought it was interesting that the Arabs at Blockbuster's accept the idea that we're being led by a Muslim who follows the Islamic creed. They also said that's the reason he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.

It was a signal to the Muslim world.

Just thought you would like to know."

33 posted on May 30, 2009 6:13:04 PM PDT by SloopJohnB (Annoy a Liberal: Work hard and live free)

And so forth. Of course, the Free Republic site is easy pickings for nuts... but still, I expect lots of blogospherics about this statement of the President's and his coming trip.

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:36:01pm

re: #46 avanti

I'll be honest, as much as I don't get the hatred of Obama personally, I get Michelle less. So far, she's been a fine first lady and mother as far as I can tell, and more popular then her husband. She's the first lady, not a Playboy centerfold, so her looks don't concern me, but she is far from a cow IMHO.

Quoted you, since your post will likely get deleted for the one you quoted. And upding, as I agree.

51 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:37:39pm

re: #47 reine.de.tout

OOPs. You quoted a deleted post.

Oops is right, Charles was working as I was typing, he can delete mine too if needed.Sorry Charles.

52 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:37:42pm

re: #49 freetoken

.....but Francisco Franco is still dead.

54 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:39:33pm

re: #46 avanti

I'll be honest, as much as I don't get the hatred of Obama personally...

It's inexplicable, isn't it? People getting all worked up about the fact that Obama spent his whole adult life as a member of a racist hate group... his first political mentor was a revolutionary terrorist who murdered innocent Americans, and planned to murder 20 million more while violently overthrowing the government... one of his close friends is a former Palestinian terrorist who still argues that Israel should be eliminated... and just in general he's a self-centered narcissist who seems to believe that he's on a mission from God... jeez, what's the big deal?

Avanti, I'll agree with you on two things: (1) Michelle Obama isn't particularly unattractive, and (2) you don't get it.

55 livefreeor die  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:39:40pm

re: #53 loppyd

Do the dropouts, those lacking in basic skills and the "court involved" get to send a comment?

No, I don't think the Kennedys are allowed to get stimulus funds.

56 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:39:42pm

re: #48 avanti

We got a nasty storm last night, no idea how we kept the power on.

It's the 4th quarter..If the power goes out..Can I sue?
I need a high powered DC female Hispanic lawyer with 3 names..Know anybody I can call? LOL

57 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:40:43pm
Can we please stop hyperventilating now?

And spoil a good hissy fit?!

Seriously, how hard is it to debunk the nonsense?

Just to remind anyone who's forgotten, I have no love for FCBBHO.

58 vxbush  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:40:45pm

Thanks for the clarification, Charles. Any sign that Ed is toning down his story?

59 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:41:05pm
Can we please stop hyperventilating now?

Not a chance in hell from the DailyKOnservativeS.

/If you aren't hyperventilating and making asinine leaps of illogic, then you aren't paying attention!

60 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:41:38pm

re: #49 freetoken

Here are some freeper comments about the President's "commitment" comment:

And so forth. Of course, the Free Republic site is easy pickings for nuts... but still, I expect lots of blogospherics about this statement of the President's and his coming trip.

I can't even begin to imagine the scale of the hysteria we're going see there (and elsewhere) during his trip. It's going to be freefall freakout.

61 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:42:02pm

re: #57 MandyManners

Just to remind anyone who's forgotten, I have no love for FCBBHO.

Neither do I. He's a DFC right Mandy!

62 Cathypop  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:42:04pm

re: #57 MandyManners

And spoil a good hissy fit?!

Seriously, how hard is it to debunk the nonsense?

Just to remind anyone who's forgotten, I have no love for FCBBHO.


Really? Are you sure?/////////

63 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:42:37pm

Why don't we all check out how the General Motors team is doing this week end . I am sure their lobbying efforts are being posted live time. After all BK is scheduled for Monday. ///

64 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:43:00pm

re: #60 iceweasel

I can't even begin to imagine the scale of the hysteria we're going see there (and elsewhere) during his trip. It's going to be freefall freakout.

Can't wait to see who bows to who.

65 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:43:03pm

What kind of alternate universe have I been in the last 130 or so days?

Freakin crazy.

66 HAL2010  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:43:30pm

re: #65 BigPapa

What kind of alternate universe have I been in the last 130 or so days?

Freakin crazy.

Compared to them?

Reality.

67 sbvft contributor  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:43:37pm

As a New Black Panther, I approve of The Community Organizer dropping the charges on me and ma peops. Word.

68 Timbre  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:44:13pm

As I said in earlier threads, I am pleasantly surprised with the Obama Administration. However this ruling by AG Holder truly confounds me. Specifically, I refer to this sentence: "Accordingly, agencies should readily and systematically post information online in advance of any public request."

OK, if a document is already classified as Freedom of Information Exempt, can it be posted on the Internet without declassification? And what is the point of classifying a document FOI Exempt, then declassifying it, then posting it in advance of a request. I'm just not understanding.

69 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:44:26pm

re: #57 MandyManners

And spoil a good hissy fit?!

Seriously, how hard is it to debunk the nonsense?

Just to remind anyone who's forgotten, I have no love for FCBBHO.

Sadly, lots of people would rather hyperventilate and peddle nonsense--and I'll include many people at HuffPo and Kos in that, as well as places like free republic and hot air.

70 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:45:01pm

re: #54 Last Mohican

It's inexplicable, isn't it? People getting all worked up about the fact that Obama spent his whole adult life as a member of a racist hate group... his first political mentor was a revolutionary terrorist who murdered innocent Americans, and planned to murder 20 million more while violently overthrowing the government... one of his close friends is a former Palestinian terrorist who still argues that Israel should be eliminated... and just in general he's a self-centered narcissist who seems to believe that he's on a mission from God... jeez, what's the big deal?

Avanti, I'll agree with you on two things: (1) Michelle Obama isn't particularly unattractive, and (2) you don't get it.

After reading your post, I'll admit I don't get it. The Obama you see, is not the one I see, simple as that.

71 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:45:32pm

re: #61 Macker

Neither do I. He's a DFC right Mandy!

That mean what I think it means?

72 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:45:51pm

re: #62 Cathypop

Really? Are you sure?/////////

Last time I checked.

73 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:45:52pm

re: #63 pat

Why don't we all check out how the General Motors team is doing this week end . I am sure their lobbying efforts are being posted live time. After all BK is scheduled for Monday. ///

pat ... Burger King ? what is BK ..

74 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:45:55pm

re: #71 MandyManners

Yes.

75 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:46:26pm

re: #63 pat

Why don't we all check out how the General Motors team is doing this week end . I am sure their lobbying efforts are being posted live time. After all BK is scheduled for Monday. ///

Which court?

76 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:46:42pm

re: #70 avanti

After reading your post, I'll admit I don't get it. The Obama you see, is not the one I see, simple as that.

avanti ... did you drool while reading his books? ...

77 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:47:33pm

1 Down, 3 to go. RED WINGS WIN 3-1!

78 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:48:46pm

re: #69 iceweasel

Sadly, lots of people would rather hyperventilate and peddle nonsense--and I'll include many people at HuffPo and Kos in that, as well as places like free republic and hot air.

I don't get the appeal at all. It's okay to freak out and flip out but, only if you're doing so for something that is real! Life is filled with enough outrage; there is no need to embrace faux outrage.

79 Cathypop  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:48:52pm

re: #76 JacksonTn
I up-dinged you on that reply. Now how do I show a standing ovation?

80 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:48:55pm

A lot of folks like Glen Beck followers really do think armed ACORN members are just waiting to kick in their doors etc... Its bizarre and sad.

81 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:49:06pm

I would like to ask Obama one thing ... how do you feel about Black Liberation Theology ... I mean he spent many years listening to it ... what has he come away with after all that time ...

82 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:49:17pm

re: #70 avanti

After reading your post, I'll admit I don't get it. The Obama you see, is not the one I see, simple as that.

There are none so blind as those who will not see

JMHO.

83 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:49:17pm

re: #74 Macker

Yes.

BoohYah!

84 HAL2010  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:49:33pm

re: #80 MrPaulRevere

A lot of folks like Glen Beck followers really do think armed ACORN members are just waiting to kick in their doors etc... Its bizarre and sad.

They didn't say too much about the 14 million that the previous administration gave them. Wonder why ..

85 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:49:51pm

re: #53 loppyd

Do the dropouts, those lacking in basic skills and the "court involved" get to send a comment?

I believe the state agency would be viewed as the lobbyist group in that case, not the individuals.

86 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:50:06pm

re: #80 MrPaulRevere

A lot of folks like Glen Beck followers really do think armed ACORN members are just waiting to kick in their doors etc... Its bizarre and sad.

That's silly, they don't need arms, just legs.

And warrants.

Or maybe armbands.

///

87 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:50:52pm

Orlando up by sixteen, five minutes to go, Chick would put it in the refrigerator.

88 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:50:57pm

I blame Bush.

89 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:51:06pm

re: #81 JacksonTn

I would like to ask Obama one thing ... how do you feel about Black Liberation Theology ... I mean he spent many years listening to it ... what has he come away with after all that time ...

One-fifth of a century!

90 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:51:43pm

re: #87 itellu3times

Orlando up by sixteen, five minutes to go, Chick would put it in the refrigerator.

I miss Chick. Reading his memoirs now.

91 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:51:48pm

re: #76 JacksonTn

avanti ... did you drool while reading his books? ...

I'll reply like a adult and say I did enjoy both books, they gave me a lot of insights into his views. I did think after reading them that he was naive to think he could get the left and right to work together just by force of reason.

92 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:52:02pm

re: #82 Opilio

There are none so blind as those who will not see

JMHO.

There are none so ignorant as those who are willfully ignorant.

93 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:52:09pm

re: #75 MandyManners

I am guessing District Court in Detroit. That way they won't have to fly the Gulfstream in. My more serious point is this is all nonsense. Non of the lobbying is being posted for the public. This is a stunt. And likely unconstitutional. They can tell their employees to do what ever they want. But not members of the public of the State or its subdivisions.

94 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:52:32pm

re: #64 itellu3times

Can't wait to see who bows to who.

Damage control is probably working on the script as we type.
It's a sharp crew the "0" has. But if there is a gaffe, it will be poo poo'ed as if nothing happened.
" "0", better than the first messiah."
/

95 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:53:02pm

re: #89 MandyManners

One-fifth of a century!

A score of years!
sounded better when Lincoln said it...

96 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:53:07pm

Hey, the guy who's floating this turd won CPAC Conservative writer of the year....

If you look at the list of articles he's written at the examiner, you see exactly where he's coming from. E.G. He thinks it's a plus that Rubio supports Huckabee.

97 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:53:14pm

re: #91 avanti

I'll reply like a adult and say I did enjoy both books, they gave me a lot of insights into his views. I did think after reading them that he was naive to think he could get the left and right to work together just by force of reason.

NAIVE?

Please, take some time to look up narcissistic personality disorder. The DSM-IV is on-line.

98 solomonpanting  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:53:53pm

re: #87 itellu3times

Orlando up by sixteen, five minutes to go, Chick would put it in the refrigerator.

"the door's closed, the light's are out, the butter's getting hard, and the Jell-O is jigglin'"

99 David Simon  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:53:58pm

re: #92 MandyManners

There are none so ignorant as those who are willfully ignorant.

And none so dangerous as ignoramuses who think they're smart.

100 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:54:10pm

re: #73 JacksonTn

Burger Questions?

101 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:54:25pm

re: #85 Sharmuta

I believe the state agency would be viewed as the lobbyist group in that case, not the individuals.

Um, no kidding.

Did you leave your sense of humor at the door?

102 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:54:42pm

re: #80 MrPaulRevere

Speaking of paranoid kooks, this was posted by savage at '2'...'All I can say is when this war comes, I will be ready."

103 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:54:54pm

re: #93 pat

I am guessing District Court in Detroit. That way they won't have to fly the Gulfstream in. My more serious point is this is all nonsense. Non of the lobbying is being posted for the public. This is a stunt. And likely unconstitutional. They can tell their employees to do what ever they want. But not members of the public of the State or its subdivisions.

How in the world is this unconstitutional?

104 itellu3times  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:55:20pm

re: #95 Opilio

A score of years!
sounded better when Lincoln said it...

That's about 522,000,000 microfortnights.

105 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:55:34pm

re: #78 MandyManners

I don't get the appeal at all. It's okay to freak out and flip out but, only if you're doing so for something that is real! Life is filled with enough outrage; there is no need to embrace faux outrage.

I don't get it either. I think some people really *enjoy* being outraged all the time. And you're so right--life is too short and already filled with so much outrage!

106 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:55:43pm

re: #93 pat

I am guessing District Court in Detroit. That way they won't have to fly the Gulfstream in. My more serious point is this is all nonsense. Non of the lobbying is being posted for the public. This is a stunt. And likely unconstitutional. They can tell their employees to do what ever they want. But not members of the public of the State or its subdivisions.

Which judge?

107 spinmore  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:55:44pm

Hope and Change

I hope I have enough change in the minivan to get my early morning Dunkin'Donuts coffee. It's beddy-bye time here on the Right Coast.

Nite-Nite all.

108 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:56:35pm

re: #80 MrPaulRevere

A lot of folks like Glen Beck followers really do think armed ACORN members are just waiting to kick in their doors etc... Its bizarre and sad.

That's just nonsense.
"0" is gunna' take away all the guns.
oh.... ACORN......head for the survival camps!

109 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:56:37pm

re: #81 JacksonTn

I would like to ask Obama one thing ... how do you feel about Black Liberation Theology ... I mean he spent many years listening to it ... what has he come away with after all that time ...

He addressed that pretty well in his books. To be honest, I think he joined that church simply because of the political connections in the community. I never showed any signs of buying into that theology, nor has he now as POTUS.
I wish we could focus on what's he's doing now, not what his Pastor did, nor what board he sat on. We need to look forward, not back.

110 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:56:45pm

re: #95 Opilio

A score of years!
sounded better when Lincoln said it...

Lincoln had no teleprompter.

111 loppyd  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:56:54pm

re: #93 pat

I am guessing District Court in Detroit. That way they won't have to fly the Gulfstream in. My more serious point is this is all nonsense. Non of the lobbying is being posted for the public. This is a stunt. And likely unconstitutional. They can tell their employees to do what ever they want. But not members of the public of the State or its subdivisions.

My problem is with the wording:

To that end, comments (unless initiated by an agency official) must be in writing and will be posted on the Internet for every American to see.

It doesn't say all comments. Lawyers weigh every word....

112 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:57:39pm

re: #96 Thanos

Hey, the guy who's floating this turd won CPAC Conservative writer of the year....

If you look at the list of articles he's written at the examiner, you see exactly where he's coming from. E.G. He thinks it's a plus that Rubio supports Huckabee.

I think that Huckabee is out of the game. Have you seen how much weight he's gained?!

113 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:58:01pm

re: #109 avanti

He addressed that pretty well in his books. To be honest, I think he joined that church simply because of the political connections in the community. I never showed any signs of buying into that theology, nor has he now as POTUS.
I wish we could focus on what's he's doing now, not what his Pastor did, nor what board he sat on. We need to look forward, not back.

Forward doesn't look so good either.

114 livefreeor die  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:58:03pm

re: #112 MandyManners

I think that Huckabee is out of the game. Have you seen how much weight he's gained?!

Is he on the AlGore diet?

115 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:58:14pm

re: #99 David Simon

And none so dangerous as ignoramuses who think they're smart.

You just bruised my brain, David.

116 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:58:14pm

re: #112 MandyManners

I think that Huckabee is out of the game. Have you seen how much weight he's gained?!

He eated the nirth certifikate.

117 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:59:12pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Have you forgotten the Clinton years so soon?

118 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:59:18pm

re: #105 iceweasel

I don't get it either. I think some people really *enjoy* being outraged all the time. And you're so right--life is too short and already filled with so much outrage!

Was there a blog like LGF for the moonbats during Pres. Bush's administrations?

119 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:59:20pm

re: #109 avanti

He addressed that pretty well in his books. To be honest, I think he joined that church simply because of the political connections in the community. I never showed any signs of buying into that theology, nor has he now as POTUS.
I wish we could focus on what's he's doing now, not what his Pastor did, nor what board he sat on. We need to look forward, not back.

avanti ... so you agree that he uses people to get what he wants? ... he used the church ... so he is just using using using ... to what end? ... 20 years? ... come on .... he aligned with some pretty nasty people ... so it is okay to just forget .... I will never forget ... yeah ... I believe in going forward for the sake of the country .... but to me it is very telling what he did and what roads he took to get to the White House ... our history tells much about the people we become ...

120 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 7:59:52pm

re: #111 loppyd

My problem is with the wording:

To that end, comments (unless initiated by an agency official) must be in writing and will be posted on the Internet for every American to see.

It doesn't say all comments. Lawyers weigh every word....

Time is money.

121 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:00:09pm

re: #105 iceweasel

I don't get it either. I think some people really *enjoy* being outraged all the time. And you're so right--life is too short and already filled with so much outrage!

I like the way you think. Give me your brain.
/h

122 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:00:55pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

Because in this country with limited exception you do not tell a citizen that he may not talk to or publicly comment on a government policy. It is that simple.

123 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:01:13pm

Well let's give credit where credit is due..
For the last 3 months I've been coming home for lunch and me and Winston have munched food and listened to Skip Bayless say that the Magic not only matches up with the Cav's..but would just would kick their butt in the playoffs..
Well Skip..Looks like you are right...
Magic destroyed King James...

124 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:01:15pm

re: #60 iceweasel

I can't even begin to imagine the scale of the hysteria we're going see there (and elsewhere) during his trip.

The whole sekrit muslim story was being flamed here too, by some, until Charles and the more rational posters put a wet blanket on it. Still, it lurks in the comments of some and it is kindling for many a bloggers. Noticed that Geller is now leading with that story.

125 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:01:32pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Nothing compared to Dick Morris, geez have u seen that guy lately?

He's on O'Reilly tons. I think he hates Hillary so much, he ate her...

126 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:01:36pm

re: #114 livefreeor die

Is he on the AlGore diet?

He doesn't have a florid complexion.

127 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:02:00pm

re: #54 Last Mohican

Obama is not as bad as I expected but that is frankly setting the bar pretty low. He IS in fact scary and dangerous. This makes it more important than ever that we distinguish between fact and fancy in our continuing analysis of his actions and policies.
It's occurred to me that the right-wing meltdown we are seeing might just be a consequence of the mainstream media's loss of credibility. If the tingly-leg cheerleaders and 60s retro-rebels of the media-industrial complex tell you everything is fine with the Big Zero, there is no reason in the world to believe them. Now, the MSM's loss of credibilty is richly deserved and long overdue but it leaves a gap, a vacuum, in public information and perception. Any number of charlatans and quacks have rushed in to fill that vacuum.
I see our task at LGF as holding the quacks at bay. This forum can, and does, provide a rational, factual, and ethical alternative to both the traditional media consensus and the new media (post-media?) hysterics.

128 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:02:01pm

re: #116 Racer X

He eated the nirth certifikate.

ROFLMAOROFLMAOROFLMAO

129 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:02:27pm

re: #113 Phil.

Forward doesn't look so good either.

Well, if you can't dwell on the bad from the past, you can fear the possible bad in the future. Me, I'm still riding my unicorn and hoping for the best.

130 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:02:40pm

re: #122 pat

Because in this country with limited exception you do not tell a citizen that he may not talk to or publicly comment on a government policy. It is that simple.

Where did it say that?

131 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:02:45pm

re: #117 Thanos

Have you forgotten the Clinton years so soon?

One big MUTE button.

132 livefreeor die  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:03:59pm

re: #117 Thanos

Have you forgotten the Clinton years so soon?

I seem to remember learning that the Gap sold blue dresses...

133 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:04:06pm

re: #125 eddiespaghetti

Nothing compared to Dick Morris, geez have u seen that guy lately?

He's on O'Reilly tons. I think he hates Hillary so much, he ate her...

For all the time that I've paid attention to Dick, he's been chubby. Huckabee, OTOH, has not been.

134 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:04:33pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Killgore Trout -

I can almost believe the "Shut Down Republican Dealers" - except, the biggest Chrysler Dealer in NJ is a Republican (Morris Co.) Family. Another, such same, IS being closed, and is a Minority Owned Dealership (Desai, NOT African American, for the record). The difference that I see is that the FORMER owe Chrysler Credit and GMAC on the Mortgage. The later has NO DEBT on Dealership Property and hasn't for about 30 years.

-S-

135 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:04:50pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Was there a blog like LGF for the moonbats during Pres. Bush's administrations?

Would Ann Althouse count?

136 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:05:24pm

re: #70 avanti

After reading your post, I'll admit I don't get it. The Obama you see, is not the one I see, simple as that.

It's amazing you can spend as much time on this website as you obviously have, with your eyes shut the whole time.

If, God forbid, we Americans ever elect a Republican president who spent twenty years proudly boasting of his membership in the Ku Klux Klan, right up through his presidential campaign, and his only explanation for the whole thing is "well, I didn't really buy into all that racist stuff they were saying at the weekly meetings for the past twenty years, but I went anyway," I hope maybe then you'll realize what an ass you were being now.

137 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:05:25pm

re: #122 pat

Because in this country with limited exception you do not tell a citizen that he may not talk to or publicly comment on a government policy. It is that simple.

Isn't one's standing in a court proceeding the arbiter?

138 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:05:30pm

re: #93 pat

It's not unconstitutional, they can tell people who are applying for federal monies the protocol to follow when communicating with grant reviewers. Doesn't matter if they are from the state, city, or if it's Bill Ayer's trying to milk out another schools program.

Don't follow process, your grant might get rejected.

139 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:05:34pm

re: #129 avanti

Well, if you can't dwell on the bad from the past, you can fear the possible bad in the future. Me, I'm still riding my unicorn and hoping for the best.

I wish I could too. Unfortunately, this administration is ruining the country's finances. I think history will judge it as the worst administration in American history when all is said and done. Unfortunately, the pain doesn't come until later, so our celebrity president lives on until then.

140 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:05:51pm

Here's why this is a losing strategy: My political awakening was a little later than most here. After 9-11 I didn't know what to think or who to trust. The blogs were new and the MSM seemed the safest source of info. In about 2003-2004 I saw Mike Moore's Fahrenheit 9-11. I've been around libs and heard about stolen elections and conspiracies so I was a little familiar with the subject. I came home from the movie and found that I could easily check facts myself. Many good blogs had well sourced articles where I could check facts myself and verify the information.
People are more savvy now, we can all google, read and check facts. Not just geeks but normla average people. Pushing these easily debunked stories just sends people running from the right. It took me about 5 minutes of reading to figure out this story was bullshit. The only people left believing it are idiots. Do you really want them on your side? The whole strategy is counterproductive.

141 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:06:24pm

re: #135 freetoken

Would Ann Althouse count?

She is before my time.

142 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:06:36pm

re: #112 MandyManners

I think that Huckabee is out of the game. Have you seen how much weight he's gained?!

Tell Huckabee to "Get Back in the Game"!

[Link: www.nutrisystem.com...]

143 jorline  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:07:11pm

Yona Baumel dies without knowing MIA son's fate

Yona Baumel, 81, died on Friday without fulfilling his heart's deepest desire: to discover the fate of his son Zachary, who was last seen on the Sultan Yakoub battlefield in Lebanon 27 years ago.

RIP

144 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:07:25pm

GPa just dropped off The Kid after his game. I gotta' rassle him into his bath. bbiab

145 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:07:26pm

re: #109 avanti

We need to look forward, not back.

Spin-Master extraordinarie!

/history.....forget it......repeat it.....

146 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:07:35pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Was there a blog like LGF for the moonbats during Pres. Bush's administrations?

You mean a blog where people generally strongly disapproved of President Bush, but tried to remain rational in their criticism, instead of flying off the handle and accusing him of being a fascist Nazi all the time?

I'm not personally aware of such a blog.

147 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:07:44pm

Heh.

The Daughter called me this week. Said she cain't think of anything to get me for Father's Day, so she's just going to get me ammo. Is that ok?

Sure, Sweetheart, that'd be great.

About a half-hour later she called back. "Hey, what the heck happened? All this stuff is two and three times as expensive as the last time I bought you some."

It is surely a comfort to me knowing that my child is not spending her time surfing survivalist and EOTWAWKI websites.

148 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:07:45pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Was there a blog like LGF for the moonbats during Pres. Bush's administrations?

I was never a moonbat, so I did not feel comfortable on most leftie sites. I got as much flack on them as I did my first weeks on here, but it never got any better on Kos for example.

149 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:08:12pm

re: #112 MandyManners

I think that Huckabee is out of the game. Have you seen how much weight he's gained?!

Mandy -

Forget the weight gain. I like Huckabee as a commentator WAY MORE than I liked him as a Candidate.

-S-

150 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:08:18pm

re: #138 Thanos

It's not unconstitutional, they can tell people who are applying for federal monies the protocol to follow when communicating with grant reviewers. Doesn't matter if they are from the state, city, or if it's Bill Ayer's trying to milk out another schools program.

Don't follow process, your grant might get rejected.

I kinda get the feeling that they're frakking up bankruptcy laws here....I may be wrong, but that's the gut feeling I have.

151 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:08:32pm

re: #114 livefreeor die

Is he on the AlGore diet?

He knew all the carbon he'd eat
Would be less to trap the heat
Al Gore ate it all for you and me

/with apologies to Pinkard and Bowden - (Song starts at 1:36)

Youtube Video
152 Drogheda  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:09:02pm

re: #122 pat

Because in this country with limited exception you do not tell a citizen that he may not talk to or publicly comment on a government policy. It is that simple.

Comment on it all you want to. No one will care. But if you try to speak to government officials involved in the about specific Recovery Act projects or applications, that is if you are trying to exert influence the process, they'll tell you they can't speak to you about it and that you must submit your comments in writing.

153 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:09:18pm

re: #125 eddiespaghetti

Nothing compared to Dick Morris, geez have u seen that guy lately?

He's Tonnage on O'Reilly tons. I think he hates Hillary so much, he ate her...


/FIFY

154 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:09:25pm

re: #134 Dr. Shalit

I haven't taken the story seriously enough to check out. It's bullshit. The Truthers found remote controlled electronic components at the pentagon this week and I'm not going to waste my time checking out that one either. Reality is far more interesting.

155 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:10:01pm

re: #119 JacksonTn

avanti ... so you agree that he uses people to get what he wants? ... he used the church ... so he is just using using using ... to what end? ... 20 years? ...

Come now, it was only 20 years. If Obama were to have gone to Sunday services every week, he only would have had 1043 opportunities to hear the gospel according to Trinity United.

Yet he remained.

156 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:10:48pm

re: #155 Opilio

Come now, it was only 20 years. If Obama were to have gone to Sunday services every week, he only would have had 1043 opportunities to hear the gospel according to Trinity United.

Yet he remained.

Opillio ... he was sleeping ...

157 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:10:51pm

re: #137 MandyManners

Mandy- this says nothing about citizens not being able to comment on government policy.

158 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:11:23pm

Even Robert Spencer is freaking out about this.

He thinks it's just like the Organization of the Islamic Conference trying to stop criticism of Islam.

159 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:11:35pm

re: #122 pat

Because in this country with limited exception you do not tell a citizen that he may not talk to or publicly comment on a government policy. It is that simple.

Anyone can publicly comment on anything they want. In fact, that's sort of the point. If you want to initiate contact with a government official about the stimulus funds that you're trying to get, then you conversation will have to be made public.

160 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:11:38pm

re: #136 Last Mohican

It's amazing you can spend as much time on this website as you obviously have, with your eyes shut the whole time.

If, God forbid, we Americans ever elect a Republican president who spent twenty years proudly boasting of his membership in the Ku Klux Klan, right up through his presidential campaign, and his only explanation for the whole thing is "well, I didn't really buy into all that racist stuff they were saying at the weekly meetings for the past twenty years, but I went anyway," I hope maybe then you'll realize what an ass you were being now.

Last Mohican -
With the exception of David Duke, the KKK has been as originally conceived, the guerrilla arm of the antebellum Democratic Party.

-S-

161 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:12:14pm

re: #133 MandyManners

Agreed, I just think there is a difference between "chubby" and "morbidly obese", which he has been making a transition into...

I suppose, using his M.O., if you just get hookers, it doesn't matter. (no slight on obese folks, or hookers)

162 jorline  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:12:23pm

Back on topic.

A lot of hush around the WH lately.

Woodward Plots to Capture Obama White House in Next Book

Best-selling journalist Bob Woodward has found the topic for his next book: The Obama administration. And apparently that has the Obama White House circling the wagons.

White House Counsel Greg Craig circulated a memo inside the West Wing earlier this month instructing officials hit up for information by authors or journalists writing on the administration to clear interview requests with the press office. An Obama spokesman told The New Republic that the memo was not sent in regards to a specific journalist, but Beltway insiders say the White House probably is taking pains to avoid leaks to the Washington Post icon.

There's a kind of hush...all over the world..tonight

Youtube Video
163 David Simon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:13:36pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

It's occurred to me that the right-wing meltdown we are seeing might just be a consequence of the mainstream media's loss of credibility.

I don't see it that way at all.

Years ago, I asked my two moonbat brothers what the deal was with the near-psychotic Bush hatred. After some prodding, they conceded that it was righteous payback for the way their hero, Bill Clinton, was treated by the Right (I paraphrase).

I think the meltdown of some on the Right can be similarly attributed.

164 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:13:58pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

I see our task at LGF as holding the quacks at bay. This forum can, and does, provide a rational, factual, and ethical alternative to both the traditional media consensus and the new media (post-media?) hysterics.


...along with frequent puns.
/waving 2x4 in front of flock of ducks

Q: Why do ducks have wide flat feet?

165 livefreeor die  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:14:22pm

re: #162 jorline

Back on topic.

A lot of hush around the WH lately.

Woodward Plots to Capture Obama White House in Next Book

Best-selling journalist Bob Woodward has found the topic for his next book: The Obama administration. And apparently that has the Obama White House circling the wagons.

White House Counsel Greg Craig circulated a memo inside the West Wing earlier this month instructing officials hit up for information by authors or journalists writing on the administration to clear interview requests with the press office. An Obama spokesman told The New Republic that the memo was not sent in regards to a specific journalist, but Beltway insiders say the White House probably is taking pains to avoid leaks to the Washington Post icon.

There's a kind of hush...all over the world..tonight

Youtube Video

Like they'll be able to stop leaks to the press with Joe Biden as vice president and Bill Clinton still stewing about Hillary not getting the nomination.

166 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:14:54pm

The Huckster is only recently svelte. He lost well over a hundred pounds after becoming Arkansas' governor and before he made his ill-fated run for POTUS.

So if he's porking up again, I'd guess it means that he is resigning himself to nonelected status forevermore.

167 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:15:14pm

re: #158 Charles

Lol!

But the Obama Administration is already showing how little it cares for free speech and open dissent. And with an Obama-compliant Supreme Court judging cases that challenge their actions and interpreting the First Amendment for us, what's to stop the Administration from playing ball with the OIC and building wonderful new bridges with the Islamic world in this way?


I've been considering him as smart but creepy. Looks like he's headed for the stupid and hysterical category.

168 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:16:01pm

re: #136 Last Mohican

It's amazing you can spend as much time on this website as you obviously have, with your eyes shut the whole time.

If, God forbid, we Americans ever elect a Republican president who spent twenty years proudly boasting of his membership in the Ku Klux Klan....

Keep in mind, a former Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of the KKK now stands (or sits mostly) third in line to the Presidency of the United States. But he's a Democrat, so it's ok.

169 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:16:02pm

Atlas Shrieks is losing it, too.

170 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:16:14pm

re: #166 razorbacker

The Huckster is only recently svelte. He lost well over a hundred pounds after becoming Arkansas' governor and before he made his ill-fated run for POTUS.

So if he's porking up again, I'd guess it means that he is resigning himself to nonelected status forevermore.

Um...shouldn't that satisfy those who oppose him?

171 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:16:16pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

Obama is not as bad as I expected but that is frankly setting the bar pretty low. He IS in fact scary and dangerous. This makes it more important than ever that we distinguish between fact and fancy in our continuing analysis of his actions and policies.
It's occurred to me that the right-wing meltdown we are seeing might just be a consequence of the mainstream media's loss of credibility. If the tingly-leg cheerleaders and 60s retro-rebels of the media-industrial complex tell you everything is fine with the Big Zero, there is no reason in the world to believe them. Now, the MSM's loss of credibilty is richly deserved and long overdue but it leaves a gap, a vacuum, in public information and perception. Any number of charlatans and quacks have rushed in to fill that vacuum.
I see our task at LGF as holding the quacks at bay. This forum can, and does, provide a rational, factual, and ethical alternative to both the traditional media consensus and the new media (post-media?) hysterics.

Very well thought-out and very well stated.

172 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:16:24pm

But I like hyperventilating. It makes me lightheaded. /

173 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:16:48pm

re: #169 Charles

Atlas Shrieks is losing it, too.

Such a wasted use of boobs.

174 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:17:32pm

re: #169 Charles

Crazy Pam sez....

We need an insurrection. We must fight this, but the pussified Republicans are stuck in some impotent inertia. We need Washington! Jefferson! Paine! Calling all Americans!


Tea Party!

175 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:18:07pm

re: #158 Charles

Even Robert Spencer is freaking out about this.

He thinks it's just like the Organization of the Islamic Conference trying to stop criticism of Islam.

Well, his middle name is Hussein, after all. /

176 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:18:22pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

Cookbook Question: When is volume 2 to be released?

177 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:18:27pm

re: #166 razorbacker

So if he's porking up again, I'd guess it means that he is resigning himself to nonelected status forevermore.

Maybe it's the buffet table in the "green room" at his show.
/Squirrel flambe...

178 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:19:05pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

He never used to comment about domestic politics, not much anyway. He's been to too many many cocktail parties with Pam I guess.

179 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:20:20pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Cookbook Question: When is volume 2 to be released?

Perhaps around August or Sept.

180 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:20:27pm
181 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:20:42pm

re: #175 HelloDare

Well, his middle name is Hussein, after all. /

*slaps forehead*
That's it!
He is the Mahdi!

/

182 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:20:50pm

re: #155 Opilio

Come now, it was only 20 years. If Obama were to have gone to Sunday services every week, he only would have had 1043 opportunities to hear the gospel according to Trinity United.

Yet he remained.

No one in the country is unaware of the POTUS's old pastor, it didn't make a difference in the election. He won, he's in office, if you see signs of Black liberation in his policies, then we have a relevant issue.

183 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:21:13pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam sez....


Tea Party!

I'd rather host a straightjacket party. We put Pam Geller in a straightjacket, ship her off to the nuthouse, and then we celebrate.

184 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:21:17pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam sez....


Tea Party!

Yeah, mock the group of people protesting this:
Image: GR2009032100104.jpg

Because trillion dollar deficits are VERY SENSIBLE!

185 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:22:43pm

I got this exclusive shot of Pamela.

186 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:22:44pm

re: #179 reine.de.tout

Perhaps around August or Sept.

{reine} I had an idea today..I'm going to do a search for all rotating title nominations...There have been hundreds..We need a page of the best of..

187 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:23:38pm

re: #186 HoosierHoops

{reine} I had an idea today..I'm going to do a search for all rotating title nominations...There have been hundreds..We need a page of the best of..

Oh, that would be just great!
Also, can you collect some of the actual rotating titles?

188 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:23:41pm

re: #185 HelloDare

I got this exclusive shot of Pamela.

Big question: Is she hyperventilating or sniffing glue?

189 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:24:13pm

re: #188 HelloDare

Yes.

190 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:24:30pm

re: #163 David Simon

Years ago, I asked my two moonbat brothers what the deal was with the near-psychotic Bush hatred. After some prodding, they conceded that it was righteous payback for the way their hero, Bill Clinton, was treated by the Right (I paraphrase).

This is very true. I sensed this from my family: hating on the other team seemed to be the goal, not debate or actual critical thinking. Winning arguments instead of creating winning arguments.

Obama is a huge target: it's exactly what the zealot wants.

191 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:24:48pm

OT: Isn't tonight Leno's last show?

192 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:24:51pm

re: #188 HelloDare

Big question: Is she hyperventilating or sniffing glue?

Both.

193 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:24:59pm

re: #182 avanti

No one in the country is unaware of the POTUS's old pastor, it didn't make a difference in the election. He won, he's in office, if you see signs of Black liberation in his policies, then we have a relevant issue.

Avanti ... I don't believe this stuff that is being pushed out now about criticism ... but I sure as hell know all about the silencing of people during the campaign ... RACIST! ... that is all that needed to be said at the first mention of something about Obama ... that was the silencing that took place ... and it was because of that imposed silence that we were never able to really discuss his past ... and if you think he doesn't feel in any way aligned with Black Liberation Theology ... I would like to know what in the hell you think he was doing in that church ... do you even know what Black Liberation Theology means? ... do you know what they really believe? ...

194 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:25:10pm
195 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:25:15pm

re: #191 freetoken

OT: Isn't tonight Leno's last show?

No, that was last night.

196 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:25:44pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

GMTA!

197 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:25:58pm

I had to add an update for Crazy Pamela's post. I can't stop laughing.

198 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:26:10pm
199 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:26:36pm

IF, I dinged you down for "pussified Republicans".

They are a small force behind enemy lines and heavily outnumbered. They can go full front every battle every time and get wiped out in 2010, or they can pick their battles, hit and run, and most importantly not fight the battles that are impossible to win.

/ basic tactics.

200 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:27:02pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Oops... that's what I meant. I totally forgot about. Not that I have a TV... but I do catch clips from time to time via the net. Guess I'll have to go and see what happened last night.

201 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:27:07pm

re: #198 Iron Fist

He's admitted to using hard drugs. Even used the term "enthusiastic" to describe his drug use. I want to know when, where, how, and why did he get clean? How long has he been clean? How many relapses has he had, and when and how long was the last one? These are questions he should have been forced to answer before we voted on him. THey are still relevant questions that we need in order to judge the man at the forefront of our nation.

Iron Fist ... you sound like a bitter clinging southern racist ... and Michelle is going to kick your ass ... white boy ...

202 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:27:37pm

re: #191 freetoken

re: #191 freetoken

Your so yesterday...

203 Digital Display  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:27:49pm

re: #187 reine.de.tout

Oh, that would be just great!
Also, can you collect some of the actual rotating titles?

Rotating title page..A couple of pages of our funniest titles..Most bizarre.. witty..ect..Sounds like a fun Chapter...

204 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:27:57pm

re: #194 USCitizen

How is that a Constitution killer?

205 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:28:02pm

re: #201 JacksonTn

RACIST!

/

206 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:28:04pm

re: #163 David Simon

I don't see it that way at all.

Years ago, I asked my two moonbat brothers what the deal was with the near-psychotic Bush hatred. After some prodding, they conceded that it was righteous payback for the way their hero, Bill Clinton, was treated by the Right (I paraphrase).

I think the meltdown of some on the Right can be similarly attributed.

That was one of the theme in BHO's book. When the GOP was in power, they'd run over the Democrats, then if the Dems won, they'd pay it back in spades. He seems to think that he can break the cycle, I'm not so sure it's possible.

207 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:28:26pm

re: #179 reine.de.tout

Ok. I've been thinking about trying to squeeze in an article on simple indoor hydroponics but that isn't going to be enough time. I'll just go with my Udon Noodle Party recipe.

208 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:29:01pm

re: #194 USCitizen

I noticed that Charles neglected to include the operative quote in his description of the white House post from Norm Eisen, Special Counsel to the President on Ethics and Government Reform:

There's a link right there. Clicking it leads to the White House post. Of course, if you're too lazy to do that, then yeah, I'm trying to trick you. Glad to see you aren't so easily fooled by my clever machinations.

209 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:29:33pm

Interesting, it seems President 0bama is uniting the country after all...

(2nd 'graph)

The lobbyist ban drew objections and threats of lawsuits from the American League of Lobbyists, the American Civil Liberties Union and Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington. The AFL-CIO and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce also objected.
210 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:29:36pm

re: #201 JacksonTn

Iron Fist ... you sound like a bitter clinging southern racist ... and Michelle is going to kick your ass ... white boy ...

With the "pussified Republicans" line he sounds like he's been reading Atlas Shrieks

211 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:30:02pm

re: #197 Charles

I had to add an update for Crazy Pamela's post. I can't stop laughing.

It's funny to me too but its also dangerous. Insurrections aren't really funny, they kill. I hope and pray that Geller is just posing. If she's serious, then she needs to have a little chat with the FBI.

212 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:30:06pm

Dang! I'm watching True Lies and sure enough, Tia Carrere is called Sharmuta!

213 pink freud  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:30:34pm

re: #197 Charles

I had to add an update for Crazy Pamela's post. I can't stop laughing.

Pam needs therapy. And not just 'cause of this.

214 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:30:46pm

re: #194 USCitizen

“First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program."

Can we use semaphore flags?

215 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:31:02pm

re: #212 Macker

lol

216 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:31:15pm

This is coup!

217 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:31:27pm

re: #109 avanti

He addressed that pretty well in his books. To be honest, I think he joined that church simply because of the political connections in the community. I never showed any signs of buying into that theology, nor has he now as POTUS.
I wish we could focus on what's he's doing now, not what his Pastor did, nor what board he sat on. We need to look forward, not back.

I agree with you on all these points.

218 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:31:32pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

If she's serious, then she needs to have a little chat with the FBI.


This is why Ron Paul is so relevant these days. Sad but true, this is where the right is headed.

219 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:31:36pm

re: #202 eddiespaghetti

re: #191 freetoken

Your so yesterday...

Youtube Video
220 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:32:07pm

re: #182 avanti

No one in the country is unaware of the POTUS's old pastor, it didn't make a difference in the election. He won, he's in office, if you see signs of Black liberation in his policies, then we have a relevant issue.

For starters:

"Stanley Kurtz of the National Review claims that "A scarcely concealed, Marxist-inspired indictment of American capitalism pervades contemporary 'black-liberation theology'...The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the destruction of America as he knows it." According to him such destruction requires both black anger and white guilt. "

Source: Wikipedia, "[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Others have posted the question: "If Obama was not trying to destroy America, what would he be doing differently?

221 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:32:16pm

"This is coup" Sounds like she has no Iron Fist rule.

222 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:32:31pm

re: #193 JacksonTn

Avanti ... I don't believe this stuff that is being pushed out now about criticism ... but I sure as hell know all about the silencing of people during the campaign ... RACIST! ... that is all that needed to be said at the first mention of something about Obama ... that was the silencing that took place ... and it was because of that imposed silence that we were never able to really discuss his past ... and if you think he doesn't feel in any way aligned with Black Liberation Theology ... I would like to know what in the hell you think he was doing in that church ... do you even know what Black Liberation Theology means? ... do you know what they really believe? ...

I don't think Black Liberation Theology had much of a impression on his behavior. A kid raised as devote Catholic could well still be a atheist. If BHO starts governing based on Black Liberation Theology, I'll be right along side you bitching.

223 livefreeor die  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:32:36pm

re: #216 Charles

This is coup!

I'm impress.

224 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:32:40pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

No, that was last night.

I made it! 17 years without watching The Tonight Show. Did I miss anything?

225 pink freud  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:02pm

re: #216 Charles

This is coup!

Perhaps an intervention would be a better idea.

226 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:09pm

re: #223 livefreeor die

I'm impress.

Reza was offended.

227 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:15pm

I wonder how many of the people screaming about this have ever applied for a grant, ever tried to lobby someone when applying for Federal grant funds, or plan to do so in the future.

228 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:24pm

re: #216 Charles

This is coup!

All your militia are belong to us! You Paulian have no chance to survive, make your time! Ha ha ha!

229 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:42pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

It's funny to me too but its also dangerous. Insurrections aren't really funny, they kill. I hope and pray that Geller is just posing. If she's serious, then she needs to have a little chat with the FBI.

What in her other writings makes you think she posing?

230 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:46pm

re: #209 Dar ul Harb

Interesting, it seems President 0bama is uniting the country after all...

(2nd 'graph)

Lobbyist are not going to give up their game without a fight.

231 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:49pm

re: #227 jaunte

Grants is socialism!

232 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:56pm
Pamela “Atlas Shrieks” Geller is calling for an “insurrrection.”

Let's all strip naked, cover ourselves with gold paint and run into the streets. Yeehaa!

233 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:33:58pm

re: #197 Charles

I had to add an update for Crazy Pamela's post. I can't stop laughing.

Yikes! Another aspect of this: Crying wolf.
What happens when the Big Zero does something really bad, like support ACORN operatives with the full power and force of the federal government when they try to rig the census?
"But we're not crazy this time! Really! Honest! I mean it!

234 stuck in california  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:34:02pm

re: #221 MrPaulRevere

you got that right!

235 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:34:06pm

re: #222 avanti

I don't think Black Liberation Theology had much of a impression on his behavior. A kid raised as devote Catholic could well still be a atheist. If BHO starts governing based on Black Liberation Theology, I'll be right along side you bitching.

avanti ... you are an idiot ... Obama was an adult when he joined that church ... and I still do not believe you know the real facts about Black Liberation Theology ... or are you saying Obama is an idiot for not realizing the truth about Black Liberation Theology ... which is it? ...

236 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:34:35pm

re: #227 jaunte

I wonder how many of the people screaming about this have ever applied for a grant, ever tried to lobby someone when applying for Federal grant funds, or plan to do so in the future.

You take or apply for government money- you play by their rules.

237 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:35:03pm

I feel like reposting this for some reason.....
REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION!

Youtube Video
238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:35:18pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Can we please stop hyperventialting now?


But he's going to put all the Republican car dealers in FEMA Camps to close down the Tea Parties because he has no Nirth Certifikit!

Sometimes, posts need to be repeated. (#1 for those who have not had a chance to ding it yet)

239 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:35:19pm

re: #206 avanti

That was one of the theme in BHO's book. When the GOP was in power, they'd run over the Democrats, then if the Dems won, they'd pay it back in spades. He seems to think that he can break the cycle, I'm not so sure it's possible.

I think it's naive for anyone to think they can get the left and right to work together purely by force of reason, just as you said earlier. The truth is, there are fringe lunatics on both sides as well as cynical manipulation and exploitation of their own lunatics by each party.
And the cycle you mention seems inevitable, sadly.

240 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:35:25pm

Makes me wonder if pamela has a dictionary.

241 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:35:40pm

[sic]?

slobbering insurrrectionist chick

242 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:35:40pm

re: #227 jaunte

I wonder how many of the people screaming about this have ever applied for a grant, ever tried to lobby someone when applying for Federal grant funds, or plan to do so in the future.

The multi million dollar trans-alaska pipeline contracting proposal I co-wrote was a breeze compared to getting 5 k out of the feds for our local crisis line.

243 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:36:05pm

re: #209 Dar ul Harb

Yes, it will be interesting to see the legal challenges to this. It is one thing to keep potential bidders on contracts away from the gov't employees making the evaluations/decisions. However, there are gray areas we've come across before, where there was no specific contract out for RFP, yet unsolicited proposals would come in the door. It is very tough to fight the congressional staffer/lobbyist rail when the money gets divvied up.

What the administration is proposing may or may not be legal... I'm sure the fine points will be hammered out in our court system.

244 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:36:24pm

re: #230 avanti

Lobbyist are not going to give up their game without a fight.

Just pointing to the ACLU and the U.S. Chamber Of Commerce both being upset.

After the Ted Rall thing, it's like a sign of the Apocalypse.

/

245 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:36:48pm

re: #210 Thanos

With the "pussified Republicans" line he sounds like he's been reading Atlas Shrieks

*rolls eyes*

The federal government, as of Monday, will be in charge of not one, but two auto manufacturers. It eviscerated contract law and threw Chrysler bondholders under the bus in order to reward its union campaign contributors. It passed a 787 billion dollar spending bill without having read it first. It passed a budget that will put us 2 trillion dollars in debt...this year alone. It foresees deficits of at least a trillion dollars each and every year for the foreseeable future but proceeds to tell the public that the public needs to live within its mean. It sends its Treasury Secretary to beg China to continue subsidizing our debt.

But don't you dare start a group opposing this administration or referring to the Boston tea party, because that MAKES YOU A CRAZY PERSON! AND THANOS MIGHT MAKE FUN OF YOU ON THE INTERNETS!

246 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:36:49pm

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

;)

247 HelloDare  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:36:50pm

I think the loons on the right are in danger of eclipsing the loons on the left. Pamela and Robert aren't naked in the trees yet, but this is getting close.

248 mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:37:38pm
the pussified Republicans are stuck in some impotent inertia.

She's whack.

249 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:38:35pm

re: #245 Phil.

*rolls eyes*

The federal government, as of Monday, will be in charge of not one, but two auto manufacturers. It eviscerated contract law and threw Chrysler bondholders under the bus in order to reward its union campaign contributors. It passed a 787 billion dollar spending bill without having read it first. It passed a budget that will put us 2 trillion dollars in debt...this year alone. It foresees deficits of at least a trillion dollars each and every year for the foreseeable future but proceeds to tell the public that the public needs to live within its mean. It sends its Treasury Secretary to beg China to continue subsidizing our debt.

But don't you dare start a group opposing this administration or referring to the Boston tea party, because that MAKES YOU A CRAZY PERSON! AND THANOS MIGHT MAKE FUN OF YOU ON THE INTERNETS!

Bold + Caps = Win

/first rule of the blogosphere

250 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #235 JacksonTn

avanti ... you are an idiot ... Obama was an adult when he joined that church ... and I still do not believe you know the real facts about Black Liberation Theology ... or are you saying Obama is an idiot for not realizing the truth about Black Liberation Theology ... which is it? ...

OK, new rule for me. Anyone that wants to rehash Ayers or Wright can replay a year of Hannity as far as I'm concerned, you will not hear me speak about it again. The topic has simply been beat to multiple deaths and only a small corner of the world cares.

251 Drogheda  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #247 HelloDare

I think the loons on the right are in danger of eclipsing the loons on the left. Pamela and Robert aren't naked in the trees yet, but this is getting close.

looner eclipse?

252 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:38:48pm

re: #182 avanti

No one in the country is unaware of the POTUS's old pastor,

Bullshit. I spoke to several undecided voters in the day or two before the election, and none of them had any idea about Reverend Wright. The MSM decided it was a non-issue, and then refused to talk about it, to make sure it stayed that way.

it didn't make a difference in the election. He won, he's in office, if you see signs of Black liberation in his policies, then we have a relevant issue.

True, it didn't make a difference in the election. It should have.

He did win, and he is in office. But are a president's despicable acts prior to taking office really of consequence only if they influence his policies? If we elect, I don't know, David Duke to the presidency, but nobody notices any overt white supremacism in his presidential politics, then is everything just fine?

People said the same thing about Obama's long, close friendship with Rashid Khalidi. It didn't matter, they said, because Obama would be a moderate on Middle East issues, and he'd be a friend to Israel. Now that he is president, he is ignoring his campaign promise to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. He has reversed Bush policy by supporting a role for Hamas in "Palestinian" government, and he's authorized an extra $900 million in aid to Gaza, which will go to Hamas. But even if he hadn't done all that, even if he really was treating Israel fairly, I still wouldn't forgive him his friendship with a Palestinian terrorist.

253 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:38:52pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Awesome!

"Because gov't isn't the solution to our problems, gov't is the problem and now you have cholera".

254 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:39:07pm

re: #245 Phil.

Phil who asked you ? Trying to change the subject again I see.

255 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:39:10pm
256 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:39:15pm
257 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:39:39pm

re: #236 Sharmuta

You take or apply for government money- you play by their rules.

And requiring written communication only is a safety measure.

This doesn't put an end to communication - it only sets the requirements for the form the communication will take.

258 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:39:40pm

re: #245 Phil.

Phil, Thanos doesn't like any of that, nor do I. However, we also happen to understand that calling for an "insurrection" is both juvenile and dangerous.

259 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:39:42pm
the pussified Republicans are stuck in some impotent inertia

Wow. Paging Dr Freud....

260 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:40:40pm

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

I think it's an old clip. I have vague memories of seeing it a long time ago but I think they updated it with tea Party stuff and it's relevant again.

261 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:40:47pm

re: #256 USCitizen

Very nice of you to insult Charles on your blog, btw.

262 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:41:00pm

re: #206 avanti

That was one of the theme in BHO's book. When the GOP was in power, they'd run over the Democrats, then if the Dems won, they'd pay it back in spades. He seems to think that he can break the cycle, I'm not so sure it's possible.

We're having that double vision problem again. You see Barack "Can't we all get along?" Obama, while I see Barack "I, Won" Obama.

263 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:41:10pm

re: #250 avanti

OK, new rule for me. Anyone that wants to rehash Ayers or Wright can replay a year of Hannity as far as I'm concerned, you will not hear me speak about it again. The topic has simply been beat to multiple deaths and only a small corner of the world cares.

Avanti ... great ... you keep your head in the sand ... I believed Hillary when she said the things she did about Obama ... do you think she was lying? ... and she was not even able to say what she really felt because the dems kept her with one hand behind her back ... like her or not ... she said the truth about him ... and I don't care if you like it or not ... I will never forget ... and I do not listen to Hannity ... so don't friggin lump me in with talking heads ... I speak for myself ...

264 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:41:49pm

re: #261 Sharmuta

Very nice of you to insult Charles on your blog, btw.

Pwn to rook 4.

265 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:42:02pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

Ok. I've been thinking about trying to squeeze in an article on simple indoor hydroponics but that isn't going to be enough time. I'll just go with my Udon Noodle Party recipe.

NOT ENOUGH TIME!

Would love the Udon Noodle Party recipe.
But Killgore - contact me, please.
Perhaps I can assist in some way in getting the hyrdoponics article written.

266 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:42:19pm

re: #232 HelloDare

Let's all strip naked, cover ourselves with gold paint and run into the streets. Yeehaa!


You first... unless you're a dude.

267 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:42:21pm

re: #222 avanti

Chief, I respect your right to believe as you do. I'd like some facts to support your;lgk]fhkl];'
g
CAT, GET OFF MY KEYBOARD!
...support your point of view. (Hint; the last person to whom I mentioned the phrase,'I think, therefore I know', was Cognito). I've found some infor on Black Liberation Theology which supports my perspective. Your turn.

268 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:43:03pm

re: #261 Sharmuta

Check out his blog, he's a nirther too. Knock me over with a feather.

269 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:43:09pm

re: #255 Iron Fist

Thanks for clarifying. My reasons for using the term aren't confined to just the period of the last six months. The Republicans have been incredibly weak at getting their side of the conversation out on a whole host of issues. In 1994 they had their Contract With America, and they delivered on most of it (although two biggies, term limits and a Balanced Budget Amendment never made it past planning), and then nothing. The Bush Administration took "modistyt" to the point that Bush's unwillingness to talk about the good things his Administration was doing (like keeping terrorists on the run so that they couldn't regroup enough to hit us again) became a negative, in that it allowed the Democrats to set the tone and parameters of the debate.

This was most unfortunate, and is one of the big reasons that we now have both the executive and the Legislature in Democrat hands.

Agree with you almost 100 percent there. What we don't need now if faux outrage, red herrings, and hyperbole. We are falling into a death spiral because of the bullshit flack people are all flinging in the air right now. We need to get focused, stop trying to red meat the base are start trying to win some converts. That means building a farm team, which has been ignored the past few years. The demographics we have coming are sickening if you look out 20 yrs, that's why we have to stop with the hysteria, recognize that the O is temporarily teflon, and move on with a strat for 2010.

270 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:43:25pm
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Be right back, I'm gonna head to the 7-11 and pick up some microwave popcorn.

271 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:43:31pm

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And his blog mocks Charles. Hes seems to be a sleeper troll. I'll go get the charcoal out to the grill.

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:43:38pm

re: #245 Phil.

But don't you dare start a group opposing this administration or referring to the Boston tea party, because that MAKES YOU A CRAZY PERSON! AND THANOS MIGHT MAKE FUN OF YOU ON THE INTERNETS!

As has been noted before, the tea party events began a year or two before our current POTUS' admin. Started by the Cult of Paul.

And don't just single out Thanos, 'cuz I'll probably make fun of you as well.

273 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:43:44pm

re: #256 USCitizen

Why do you call Charles 'Chuckles' on your blog but start other phrases with 'with all due respect?'

274 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:44:14pm

re: #265 reine.de.tout

Ok, I'll make the clickity clackety typey thing to you but I don't think we'll be able to make it in time.

275 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:44:22pm

re: #256 USCitizen

Bye now! Have fun with your guns -- looks like you have a lot of them.

276 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:44:36pm

re: #249 Bloodnok

Bold + Caps = Win

/first rule of the blogosphere

Just pointing out the stupidity of a strategy where you make fun of Tea Party Protestors and the like for...get this, protesting.

I realize that LGF is mostly the den of the foreign policy conservatives or Lizards or whatever you'd like to call yourself, but your mockery of fiscal conservatives makes some of you come across as rather ignorant and silly, particularly given our country's current circumstances.

This administration is the most radical one of our lifetimes. I'm not going to apologize for pointing that out.

277 livefreeor die  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:45:04pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

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And his blog mocks Charles. Hes seems to be a sleeper troll. I'll go get the charcoal out to the grill.

More like a Rip Van Winkle troll.
I'll mix up the dry rub. Thyme or rosemary?

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:45:24pm

HEY Night Lizards! It wasn't too bad today in Near Iowa.

I just spent a wild Saturday everning shearing a dog. (Yes, I feel old) She is now almost naked. As she has skin allergies in the summer, shearing is something she endures every spring. I don't know who enjoys it less, me or her.

How are you-all and how exciting things did you do this Saturday evening?

279 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:45:25pm

re: #239 iceweasel
"Your brain, Iceweasal, your brain. Second request."
/Zombie mode off

280 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:45:27pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

Terrible F song...

281 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:45:30pm

re: #270 Last Mohican

Be right back, I'm gonna head to the 7-11 and pick up some microwave popcorn.

1. GMTA

2. Could you get me a 32oz Coca-Cola Slurpee while you're there?

/kidding on that second one.

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:45:51pm

re: #270 Last Mohican

Be right back, I'm gonna head to the 7-11 and pick up some microwave popcorn.

Fresh coffee ready to go.

Do we have enough garlic?

283 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:45:55pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

And his blog mocks Charles. Hes seems to be a sleeper troll. I'll go get the charcoal out to the grill.

We're both too late. Next time we better stock up on quick-light charcoal and pre-popped popcorn.

284 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:46:01pm

re: #268 MrPaulRevere

Check out his blog, he's a nirther too. Knock me over with a feather.

Shocking, isn't it? ////

285 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:46:07pm

re: #239 iceweasel

I think it's naive for anyone to think they can get the left and right to work together purely by force of reason, just as you said earlier. The truth is, there are fringe lunatics on both sides as well as cynical manipulation and exploitation of their own lunatics by each party.
And the cycle you mention seems inevitable, sadly.

I think we can take baby steps in that direction. Bloggers like Charles that value the truth more then party advantage is a start. The fact that Obama voters like me and others can politely discuss hot button topics with conservatives is another. BHO pissing off the left by keeping some of the Bush policies he agrees with is yet another.

286 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:46:29pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Phil, Thanos doesn't like any of that, nor do I. However, we also happen to understand that calling for an "insurrection" is both juvenile and dangerous.

This is the kind of crazy talk that is creating another Timothy McVeigh somewhere, right now.

Somewhere out there are the real right wing extremists. They are piling up ammo, buying guns, reading Free Republic and StormFront, and getting their Two Minute Hate on from people like Geller and Beck talking about the coming revolution.

It's easy to laugh at Pammy,--and we should--but we should also realise that what she is doing is very dangerous. There ARE isolated, angry, unemployed and scared people out there who will take this talk of armed insurrection seriously. Pam is helping to create an atmosphere that could result in another Timothy McVeigh.

I really hope it doesn't happen, but I'm really afraid it could.

287 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:46:36pm

re: #276 Phil.

Just pointing out the stupidity of a strategy where you make fun of Tea Party Protestors and the like for...get this, protesting.

I realize that LGF is mostly the den of the foreign policy conservatives or Lizards or whatever you'd like to call yourself, but your mockery of fiscal conservatives makes some of you come across as rather ignorant and silly, particularly given our country's current circumstances.

This administration is the most radical one of our lifetimes. I'm not going to apologize for pointing that out.

We weren't talking tea parties, why are you bringing it up? Are you having trouble following this conversation Phil? Why don't you start again at the top.

288 mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:46:44pm
USCitizen

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Registered since: Jul 16, 2007 at 6:43 pm
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Hello, and goooodbye.

289 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:46:54pm

re: #276 Phil.

Just pointing out the stupidity of a strategy where you make fun of Tea Party Protestors and the like for...get this, protesting.

I realize that LGF is mostly the den of the foreign policy conservatives or Lizards or whatever you'd like to call yourself, but your mockery of fiscal conservatives makes some of you come across as rather ignorant and silly, particularly given our country's current circumstances.

This administration is the most radical one of our lifetimes. I'm not going to apologize for pointing that out.

Cool Kids Club. We're the Cool Kids Club.

290 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:47:37pm

re: #289 Bloodnok

Cool Kids Club. We're the Cool Kids Club.

Oh, how great is that!
First time I've ever been in a Cool Kids Club.

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:47:38pm

re: #266 Opilio

I'll start.

292 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:47:38pm

re: #289 Bloodnok

Cool Kids Club. We're the Cool Kids Club.

And we like to high five, yo.

293 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:48:00pm

re: #262 Opilio

We're having that double vision problem again. You see Barack "Can't we all get along?" Obama, while I see Barack "I, Won" Obama.

An excellent point. I have no interest in playing along with the this charade of an administration. We'll oppose most of what this administration does and we'll do so for common sense reasons. When the shit really starts hitting the fan and unemployment starts topping 10 percent or more, I think a lot of apolitical people are going to go a little crazy, and we'll only be able to say, "We told you so".

294 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:48:26pm

re: #276 Phil.

This administration is the most radical one of our lifetimes. I'm not going to apologize for pointing that out.

Yes, duly noted. However, ignoring the complete idiocy of the most radical opponents to this radical administration is folly. This can be detrimental to the very cause you hold so dear.

295 Aye Pod  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:48:31pm

Pamela is coup coup.

296 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:48:49pm

re: #250 avanti

(Holding hands over ears) "I CAN'T HEAR YOU, NAH NAH NAH NAH!"
/S

297 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:49:03pm

Joe Hishaishi

Youtube Video

Has anyone declared SNDT yet? If not I am.

298 flyovercountry  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:49:14pm

There is a larger danger here for those of us in real dis-agreement with this administration. By focusing on every idiotic detail of the mundane, real and important issues that need to be addressed are ignored. A good example is this birth cirtificate nonsense. It is nothing but a waste of time and IQ points. Meanwhile, the pecking order for debt obligations are rearanged illegaly, with nary a peep for two major American Companies under the auspices of the bailout. We need the sane party to start.

299 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:49:28pm

re: #295 Jimmah

Pamela is coup coup.

Well crafted.

300 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:49:34pm

re: #129 avanti

Well, if you can't dwell on the bad from the past, you can fear the possible bad in the future. Me, I'm still riding my unicorn and hoping for the best.

0bama's car czar shut down my local unicorn dealership.

301 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:49:35pm

re: #295 Jimmah

Pamela is coup coup.

Kachoo.

/Gesundheit

302 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:49:43pm

re: #277 livefreeor die

More like a Rip Van Winkle troll.
I'll mix up the dry rub. Thyme or rosemary?

Rosemary, please. I'll save the thyme to use with the parsley and sage..

Youtube Video
303 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:50:00pm

re: #288 mich-again

Hello, and goooodbye.

And he got vaporized before I even had a chance to go check out his insane wingnut blog.

Oh well. Probably better that way. I already took my shower tonight.

304 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:50:29pm

re: #276 Phil.

Just pointing out the stupidity of a strategy where you make fun of Tea Party Protestors and the like for...get this, protesting.

I realize that LGF is mostly the den of the foreign policy conservatives or Lizards or whatever you'd like to call yourself, but your mockery of fiscal conservatives makes some of you come across as rather ignorant and silly, particularly given our country's current circumstances.

This administration is the most radical one of our lifetimes. I'm not going to apologize for pointing that out.

MOCKERY OF FISCAL CONSERVATIVES?

Son, where have you been?

305 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:50:32pm

re: #276 Phil.

There's no mocking of fiscal conservatives at this site. Just because some fiscal Conservatives want to protest and others don't doesn't mean fisc-cons as a whole are mocked.

306 mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:51:21pm

re: #276 Phil.

but your mockery of fiscal conservatives makes some of you come across as rather ignorant and silly, particularly given our country's current circumstances.

I don't think anyone is mocking people because they are fiscal conservatives.

307 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:51:34pm

re: #300 Fenway_Nation

0bama's car czar shut down my local unicorn dealership.

Mine too. I don't miss it though, the rainbows they farted were keeping me up at night.

308 mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:52:14pm

re: #304 MandyManners

re: #305 Sharmuta

Triple jinx. You both owe me a coke.

309 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:52:19pm

re: #305 Sharmuta

There's no mocking of fiscal conservatives at this site. Just because some fiscal Conservatives want to protest and others don't doesn't mean fisc-cons as a whole are mocked.

Well we do mock "gold standard" fiscal conservatives.

310 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:52:37pm

re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth

As has been noted before, the tea party events began a year or two before our current POTUS' admin. Started by the Cult of Paul.

And don't just single out Thanos, 'cuz I'll probably make fun of you as well.

Well Thanos, I have seen several posters mock the Tea Party Protestors, who have nothing to do whatsoever with Ron Paul. I suppose the post above was just my imagination.

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:52:50pm

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

Mine too. I don't miss it though, the rainbows they farted were keeping me up at night.

I hate rainbow farts. They smell like cherry cough syrup.

312 mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:53:02pm

re: #303 Last Mohican

2 years, 2 posts.. I call sock puppet.

313 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:53:06pm

OT
Phish has a new tune out at Itunes, fans will probably like it but I didn't care for it much.

314 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:53:12pm

In light of Pamela's rant this evening, I think I'm finally ready to admit that the right-wing blogosphere is just as bat-sh*t crazy as the left-wing blogosphere. I take back my previous comments to the contrary.

Bat-sh*t crazy moonbats, this is apology.

315 mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:53:53pm

re: #310 Phil.

Well Thanos, I have seen several posters mock the Tea Party Protestors, who have nothing to do whatsoever with Ron Paul. I suppose the post above was just my imagination.

There are plenty of far right kooks who have nothing to do with Ron Paul.

316 Aye Pod  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:54:00pm

I got woken up by a party upstairs. I'll be here till the thudding stops. This is good entertainment though. Thanks Pam for being so hilariously stupid.

317 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:54:28pm

re: #314 Last Mohican

Linky?

318 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:54:31pm

re: #311 ggt

And not the good kind...

319 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:54:32pm

re: #310 Phil.

Yeah, but you were replying to me, did I mention tea partays anywhere today? Why don't you look back and see if you can find it. We can wait.

320 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:54:34pm

re: #308 mich-again

re: #305 Sharmuta

Triple jinx. You both owe me a coke.

Coca Cola or Red Bull?

321 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:55:42pm

re: #278 ggt

HEY Night Lizards! It wasn't too bad today in Near Iowa.

I just spent a wild Saturday everning shearing a dog. (Yes, I feel old) She is now almost naked. As she has skin allergies in the summer, shearing is something she endures every spring. I don't know who enjoys it less, me or her.

How are you-all and how exciting things did you do this Saturday evening?

Will you make a sweater out of the clippings?
[Link: www.vipfibers.com...]

322 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:55:44pm

re: #262 Opilio


I really hope it doesn't happen, but I'm really afraid it could.

I share that fear, and would rather not dwell on it.

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:55:49pm

re: #314 Last Mohican

Fuckin' fringe.

Can't stand either end of the spectrum.

Listening to some Ben Folds on YouTube. Dang! It's good. There's even been a thread for the song.

324 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:55:54pm

re: #308 mich-again

re: #305 Sharmuta

Triple jinx. You both owe me a coke.

All you'll get out of me is a shot of Basil Hayden's.

325 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:56:00pm

Phil., my friend.

I don't think that fiscal conservatives are mocked here. If we were being, I would not care.

Because, you see, as a fiscal conservative I know that I am on the correct side.

How do I know that I am on the correct side as a fiscal conservative? By looking back at the totality of recorded history.

326 Aye Pod  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:56:02pm

re: #314 Last Mohican

In light of Pamela's rant this evening, I think I'm finally ready to admit that the right-wing blogosphere is just as bat-sh*t crazy as the left-wing blogosphere. I take back my previous comments to the contrary.

Bat-sh*t crazy moonbats, this is apology.

We need to start keeping an eye out for furries etc at these tea parties. Can't be long now before the first sighting.

327 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:56:17pm

re: #163 David Simon

I don't see it that way at all.

Years ago, I asked my two moonbat brothers what the deal was with the near-psychotic Bush hatred. After some prodding, they conceded that it was righteous payback for the way their hero, Bill Clinton, was treated by the Right (I paraphrase).

I think the meltdown of some on the Right can be similarly attributed.

Of course there is an element of payback in this, but that does not explain why so many have latched onto provable falsehoods and crazy speculation as the instrument of that payback. This is especially so when there are so many real and pressing concerns about this administration.

328 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:57:05pm

re: #310 Phil.

Well Thanos, I have seen several posters mock the Tea Party Protestors, who have nothing to do whatsoever with Ron Paul. I suppose the post above was just my imagination.

Oh, for fuck's sake, Phil. READ THE THREADS.

329 Mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:57:13pm

re: #320 ggt

I think that lab result has more to do with error in measurement than anything else. But it would help explain the $3 per can thing.

330 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:57:24pm

Someone posting as Sharmuta's ex on my blog today:

ut the important question:

are they EEVVVIIILLLLLLLCreationists?

331 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:57:36pm
332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:57:39pm

re: #321 NelsFree

Will you make a sweater out of the clippings?
[Link: www.vipfibers.com...]

I wish, but you can't really spin the clippings. It's the fluff that comes when you strip the coat in the spring and fall that can be spun. I tried, but my hands just don't work well enough anymore for that kind of work. I thought about felting it. My dog's hair really is better for feltling anyway. I just having done much other than think about it. What would I do with all that felt?

I guess I could find someone to make something from it.

333 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:58:03pm

re: #314 Last Mohican

In light of Pamela's rant this evening, I think I'm finally ready to admit that the right-wing blogosphere is just as bat-sh*t crazy as the left-wing blogosphere. I take back my previous comments to the contrary.

Bat-sh*t crazy moonbats, this is apology.

No need for that, the lefties are still bat-sh*t crazy.

334 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:58:17pm

re: #326 Jimmah

We need to start keeping an eye out for furries etc at these tea parties. Can't be long now before the first sighting.

Mad Hatter appears to be the most popular costume choice:
[Link: www.google.com...]

335 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:58:18pm

re: #325 razorbacker

Phil., my friend.

I don't think that fiscal conservatives are mocked here. If we were being, I would not care.

Because, you see, as a fiscal conservative I know that I am on the correct side.

How do I know that I am on the correct side as a fiscal conservative? By looking back at the totality of recorded history.

Reach out, razorbacker!

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:58:33pm

re: #310 Phil.

Well Thanos, I have seen several posters mock the Tea Party Protestors, who have nothing to do whatsoever with Ron Paul.

Yeah, they're just jumping on the Paulbot band wagon. "Tea Party" protests were their thing a year or two before Obama took office and kookservatives started jumping on board.

337 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:58:35pm

In the first place the Hot Air title is misleading. The proposed changes are by no means an attempt to cut of criticism of the stimulus spending money. It can by no means be generalized as: White House: We’ll cut off criticism of Porkulus.

In fact it has nothing to do with freedom of speech issues. The proposal merely announces changes that will add another layer of public oversight on the communications between registered and un-registered lobbyists that may have an influence on public funding. The White House blog indicates:

For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program.

This has nothing to do with criticism or 1st Amendment rights. The lobbyists will still be allowed to operate only under further scrutiny. These same lobbyists have no interest in criticizing and in fact are only intent on steering the process towards their clients favors and will still be allowed to exert their influence.

338 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 8:59:14pm

re: #329 Mich-again

I think that lab result has more to do with error in measurement than anything else. But it would help explain the $3 per can thing.

I thought it was naturally occuring in the coca flavoring, but well under any level of danger.

339 rain of lead  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:00:02pm

re: #263 JacksonTn

hey JT
how you doin?
re avanti
it like wrestling with a pig....you get muddy and the pig enjoys it
waste of time.

had a great time canoeing with the girl today
floating with the currant, peaceful and relaxed, then we heard banjoes
and would have to paddle like hell. :0

340 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:00:09pm

re: #330 Thanos

Good Lord- they need a life.

341 Mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:00:49pm

re: #338 ggt

Interesting. I like an occasional Red Bull. And Jaeger bombs too.

342 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:01:00pm

re: #148 avanti

I was never a moonbat, so I did not feel comfortable on most leftie sites. I got as much flack on them as I did my first weeks on here, but it never got any better on Kos for example.

Kos is a pit.

While there are a bunch of lefty blogs I enjoy, it's very hard to find one where the comments aren't a cesspool.

I don't know of any blogger on either side who puts the time and effort into their comments section the way Charles does. No one else polices their own site, weeding out lunatics, maintaining order, and preventing the spread of misinformation. That goes for the right and the left, btw.

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:01:06pm

You guys are the best!

Well, most of you.

Good night.

344 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:01:20pm

re: #340 Sharmuta

Yeah I deleted it, but will send the particulars to Charles for his collection, this is probably one he knows already though.

345 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:01:39pm

re: #339 rain of lead

hey JT
how you doin?
re avanti
it like wrestling with a pig....you get muddy and the pig enjoys it
waste of time.

had a great time canoeing with the girl today
floating with the currant, peaceful and relaxed, then we heard banjoes
and would have to paddle like hell. :0

RoL ... I am great ... but tired ... don't you just love canoeing ... I do ... yeah, I know I should not engage Avanti ... but it just makes my head explode sometimes ... tell momcat I said hello ...

346 J.D.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:01:49pm

re: #331 Iron Fist

I thought we were a gang...

(Old LGF joke. You are probably too young to understand :-)

I'd forgotten all about that.
I'm probably too young to understand...

347 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:01:49pm

re: #267 NelsFree

Chief, I respect your right to believe as you do. I'd like some facts to support your;lgk]fhkl];'
g
CAT, GET OFF MY KEYBOARD!
...support your point of view. (Hint; the last person to whom I mentioned the phrase,'I think, therefore I know', was Cognito). I've found some infor on Black Liberation Theology which supports my perspective. Your turn.

No disrespect to you or your cat, but I said I'm done with that topic. I have two cats here myself, one is named Taz, and he needs a cat exorcist. He can levitate to the middle of anything I'm doing.

348 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:02:01pm

re: #328 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake, Phil. READ THE THREADS.

Yes, Mandy, the below is again just my imagination of course.

re: #326 Jimmah

We need to start keeping an eye out for furries etc at these tea parties. Can't be long now before the first sighting.

349 WindHorse  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:02:06pm

American capitalism... gone...

350 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:02:15pm

re: #340 Sharmuta

Good Lord- they need a life.

((((((((((Sharmuta))))))))))

351 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:02:34pm

re: #326 Jimmah

We need to start keeping an eye out for furries etc at these tea parties. Can't be long now before the first sighting.

Will we make sweaters out of them?
[Link: www.vipfibers.com...]
/furries. heh.

352 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:02:34pm

Just keep this in mind about the Nazis...

353 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:03:10pm

re: #344 Thanos

Probably knew well enough to not try nic jacking me at your site. Thanks.

354 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:03:22pm

re: #348 Phil.

I hope you find clarification.

355 Charles Johnson  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:03:27pm

re: #349 WindHorse

American capitalism... gone...

I know when I want first-rate political commentary, I always turn first to Pravda.

Good grief.

356 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:03:28pm

re: #136 Last Mohican

It's amazing you can spend as much time on this website as you obviously have, with your eyes shut the whole time.

If, God forbid, we Americans ever elect a Republican president who spent twenty years proudly boasting of his membership in the Ku Klux Klan, right up through his presidential campaign, and his only explanation for the whole thing is "well, I didn't really buy into all that racist stuff they were saying at the weekly meetings for the past twenty years, but I went anyway," I hope maybe then you'll realize what an ass you were being now.

It's as ridiculous to compare Obama's church to the KKK as it was for Tancredo to compare LaRaza to the KKK. Show me the church's yearly tally of killing white people by lynching and torture, and I'll reconsider.

357 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:03:33pm

re: #350 MandyManners

{Mandy} Thanks.

358 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:03:48pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, they're just jumping on the Paulbot band wagon. "Tea Party" protests were their thing a year or two before Obama took office and kookservatives started jumping on board.

Mandy, just my crazy imagination at work again. Face it, there are several people on this forum hostile to people protesting this government's reckless spending policies. It's not something I've made up.

359 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:03:58pm

re: #349 WindHorse

American capitalism... gone...

I've never taken Pravda seriously before and have no intention of doing so now or in the near future. Half of the time the articles there read like something out of a spoof site.

360 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:04:15pm

re: #349 WindHorse

OK, so the question is, how many more times will this Pravda article, copied from a staunch theocratically minded Orthodox Russian nationalist, be posted at LGF?

So far we have had three... (or more?), and given the prominence this article is getting from Drudge et. al. ... I'm guessing 5 more times.

361 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:04:19pm

re: #358 Phil.

No- we're hostile to nazis, and not fond of paulbots.

362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:04:25pm

re: #340 Sharmuta

Good Lord- they need a life.

If I were as smart as you, they'd pick on me. It's a pain in the ass, I know, but you should be flattered.

Sensible people admire people who are smart, even when they disagree.

You freakin' rock, Shar!

363 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:05:01pm

GOD BLESS THE U.S.A..

Youtube Video

I like it.

364 Mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:05:31pm

re: #349 WindHorse

Dude. That was like streaking across a soccer field. Rolling in here with a link to Pravda?

365 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:05:33pm

I can haz meltdown?

366 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:05:33pm

re: #355 Charles

I know when I want first-rate political commentary, I always turn first to Pravda.

Good grief.

This guy has a weird history, appears on L. Rockwell's site on occasion. His blog is Mat Rodina.

367 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:05:39pm

re: #362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

{FBV}

Oh! And [finger].

368 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:06:00pm

re: #355 Charles

Anytime I see a writer laud his "Holy Russia" I know we are in for a good time...

369 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:06:31pm

I'm not on consistantly the way I used to be. I haven't seen Realwest the last few nights. What's up with that?

370 WindHorse  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:06:44pm

re: #355 Charles

I didn't find this particularly meaningful.... but, I did think it was interesting.

For much of what is going on in this country.... I like to think about what my (dearly departed) dad would say in response to things that are happening these days....

"This country has too much momentum moving in the right direction. Don't worry about it."

I hope he was right

371 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:06:49pm

re: #358 Phil.

Mandy, just my crazy imagination at work again. Face it, there are several people on this forum hostile to people protesting this government's reckless spending policies. It's not something I've made up.


Oh, Phil. I don't know your situation but,

GET SOME SLEEP.

372 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:06:55pm

re: #368 freetoken

Anytime I see a writer laud his "Holy Russia" I know we are in for a good time...

He's Orthodox too.

373 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:07:08pm

re: #349 WindHorse

American capitalism... gone...

For some reason I find Pravda articles unpersuasive.

374 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:07:09pm

re: #369 ggt

He was here earlier. Talked abut getting nic-jacked at Ace of Spades.

375 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:07:16pm

re: #362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I were as smart as you, they'd pick on me. It's a pain in the ass, I know, but you should be flattered.

Sensible people admire people who are smart, even when they disagree.

You freakin' rock, Shar!


speaking of those I haven't seen in a while. How's CV.

And, how are you?

376 Drogheda  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:07:24pm

re: #364 Mich-again

Dude. That was like streaking across a soccer field. Rolling in here with a link to Pravda?

It was on Drudge earlier. Been posted earlier on at least one thread besides this.

377 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:07:39pm

re: #132 livefreeor die

I seem to remember learning that the Gap sold blue dresses...

And that we had a "budget surplus," whatever the hell that is.

378 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:07:39pm

Phil, get with the program bud, we've moved on. New day, new subject.

379 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:07:41pm

re: #342 iceweasel

Kos is a pit.

While there are a bunch of lefty blogs I enjoy, it's very hard to find one where the comments aren't a cesspool.

I don't know of any blogger on either side who puts the time and effort into their comments section the way Charles does. No one else polices their own site, weeding out lunatics, maintaining order, and preventing the spread of misinformation. That goes for the right and the left, btw.

Ditto on Charles. I was sure I'd get the trap door when my Karma passed -1000, then -2000, but I soon learned Charles tolerates all polite opinions, and that is rare on blogs from either side. Kos is nasty, and did not like my attempts at moderation.

380 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:07:48pm
underattack


I like mashing words together more than most folks but even a Bavarian would cringe at that one.

381 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:08:18pm

re: #374 Sharmuta

He was here earlier. Talked abut getting nic-jacked at Ace of Spades.

arghhh!

Glad he is all right!

382 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:08:19pm

re: #376 Drogheda

It was on Drudge earlier. Been posted earlier on at least one thread besides this.

It's been making certain rounds the past three days, it's being astroturfed.

383 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:08:25pm

re: #279 NelsFree

:)
I always had a thing for zombie movies.

384 rain of lead  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:08:28pm

re: #345 JacksonTn

momcat may be lurking
I'm a little sunburnt and tired also, not much longer for this blog
the call of the bed is getting louder and louder

385 Mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:08:34pm

re: #370 WindHorse

"This country has too much momentum moving in the right direction. Don't worry about it."

I hope he was right

I hope he was right too.

386 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:08:56pm

re: #349 WindHorse

That's something, all right.
Don't know what, exactly...

From the Pravda.ru story:

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

We're in Bizarro World, aren't we?

387 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:09:01pm

re: #348 Phil.

Phil, there are loonies who show up at events as furries. It was went in semi-jest, he wasn't saying that all people at Tea Party events are crazies.

388 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:09:01pm

re: #355 Charles

That's only because La Granma Internacional requires a subscription these days.

/

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:09:17pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

I like mashing words together more than most folks but even a Bavarian would cringe at that one.

Is that a new brand of underwear?

390 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:09:19pm

re: #384 rain of lead

momcat may be lurking
I'm a little sunburnt and tired also, not much longer for this blog
the call of the bed is getting louder and louder

RoL ... me too ... work tomorrow ... hope you sleep good and next time use sunscreen! ...

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:09:25pm

re: #375 ggt

I am fine, thank you. Little sleepy though.

CV's still pissed at me for the sour cream on tonight's baked potato. But he'll survive.

By the way, any Captain Morgan fans out there? Try the C.M. 100. FANTASTIC!

Really, G'night y'all.

LeBron lost, therefore, I lost.

392 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:09:35pm

Is the Obama T-shirt advertisement on the upper right side of the site capitalism? Cause I'm cool with that, but do advertisers see this as a huge niche market, cause they deserve yet another terrible, F...

Is this old news?

393 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:09:36pm
394 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:09:50pm

What, everybody is leaving? The party is just getting started!

395 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:10:01pm

re: #358 Phil.

Name 3.

396 J.D.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:10:06pm

re: #386 Dar ul Harb

That's something, all right.
Don't know what, exactly...

From the Pravda.ru story:

We're in Bizarro World, aren't we?

Somehow, advice on capitalism in Pravda just doesn't quite cut it.

397 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:10:21pm

re: #371 MandyManners

Oh, Phil. I don't know your situation but,

GET SOME SLEEP.

Mandy, I may sound like it, but I am not actually trying to pick fights out here. I've just seen outright hostility by some of the posters here to those that are protesting this administration's reckless spending. I do intend to pick fights with those people. But it's hard to do that when I'm getting sniped by people who otherwise keep telling me they agree with me on fiscal conservative issues.

I don't think the Tea Party Protestors are the problem here.

398 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:10:22pm

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am fine, thank you. Little sleepy though.

CV's still pissed at me for the sour cream on tonight's baked potato. But he'll survive.

By the way, any Captain Morgan fans out there? Try the C.M. 100. FANTASTIC!

Really, G'night y'all.

LeBron lost, therefore, I lost.

Night
FBV!
weet dreams

399 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:10:29pm

re: #356 ShanghaiEd

It's as ridiculous to compare Obama's church to the KKK as it was for Tancredo to compare LaRaza to the KKK. Show me the church's yearly tally of killing white people by lynching and torture, and I'll reconsider.

Perhaps you should read the charter or mission statement of Trinity United Church in Chicago. They don't post it anymore, strangely.
Anyone got that?

400 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:10:32pm

re: #370 WindHorse

Given that a non-trivial portion of that essay is about homosexuality:

Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue)[...]

And that the author's current blog entry is again about the error of homosexuality of the West infecting his Holy Russian... may we assume that this is part of what you mean by "interesting"?

401 Aye Pod  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:10:43pm

re: #348 Phil.

re: #326 Jimmah

We need to start keeping an eye out for furries etc at these tea parties. Can't be long now before the first sighting.

You quote that as an alleged example of 'mocking fiscal conservatives'? How pathetic.

402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:11:35pm

re: #392 eddiespaghetti

Fancy google-fu. Not Charles.

403 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:12:00pm

re: #355 Charles

OTOH, In Truth there is no News...and besides, it takes one (Правда.Ру) to know one (БХО).

404 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:12:05pm

re: #386 Dar ul Harb

That's something, all right.
Don't know what, exactly...

From the Pravda.ru story:

We're in Bizarro World, aren't we?

Ever since January 20th.

405 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:12:14pm

re: #393 Iron Fist

Ahhhh. Those were the days, weren't they? Fresh, wild troll to hunt, he ever-new savannah of the internet on which to stalk out prey. Late nights around a bon fire passing around a bottle of something mild like bearing degreaser, toasting to the piled up severed heads of the day's catch of trolls. Those were the good days. Will they eveah come again?

I remember Usenet, back in the day, when the most clueless n00bs came from ix.netcom.com.

406 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:12:54pm

re: #310 Phil.

I consider myself a fiscal conservative and I did not attend a tea party. Do I get kicked out of the club?

407 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:13:16pm

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

Phil, there are loonies who show up at events as furries. It was went in semi-jest, he wasn't saying that all people at Tea Party events are crazies.


Good grammar has went, too!
/h

408 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:13:37pm

re: #397 Phil.

I don't think the Tea Party Protestors are the problem here.

Quite a few of us have issues with tea party organizers. Quite a few of us are concerned about the mainstreaming of wacky paulbotonomics. Perhaps you aren't able to make that distinction?

409 rain of lead  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:13:42pm

re: #390 JacksonTn

I DID use sunscreen... that's why I'm only a LITTLE sunburnt
hell I even got sun through my t-shirt

sumptin bout being on water

410 WindHorse  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:14:19pm

re: #400 freetoken

No, I saw it - but that wasn't what I was reflecting on.... and, I don't have a thing against homosexuals.... at all...

Barney Frank on the other hand is, in my opinion, not the greatest - like so many in D.C. - but not because of his sexual preferences....

411 J.D.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:15:05pm

re: #393 Iron Fist

Yes indeedy.
Especially pre-registration.
:-)

412 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:15:26pm

re: #402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Que is google-fu? I assume a random number generator, controlled by the google machinations?

413 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:15:51pm

re: #379 avanti

Ditto on Charles. I was sure I'd get the trap door when my Karma passed -1000, then -2000, but I soon learned Charles tolerates all polite opinions, and that is rare on blogs from either side. Kos is nasty, and did not like my attempts at moderation.

Well, another thing that's rare on both sides is nuance and logic. The diehard partisans tend to make the most noise, and are happier to engage in conducting ideological witchhunts rather than having a discussion. It usually goes like this:

"You don't believe X?-- YOU ARE NOT A TRUE MEMBER OF US! Stone the heretic!"

This dynamic goes on and on.

414 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:16:09pm

re: #405 Alouette

I remember Usenet, back in the day, when the most clueless n00bs came from ix.netcom.com.

"Many machines at ix..."
--Dune (1984)

415 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:16:14pm

re: #394 Alouette

What, everybody is leaving? The party is just getting started!

'Sup with you?

416 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:16:30pm

re: #355 Charles

I know when I want first-rate political commentary, I always turn first to Pravda.

Good grief.

Damn, that Stanislav Mishin guy is not holding back!

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

We must fight this! We need Washington! Jefferson! Pamela Geller!

417 Mich-again  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:16:53pm

re: #397 Phil.

I would like to see the government promote policies that reduce our dependence on foreign oil including more drilling in the USA. That would be a good start to balancing out the trade deficit.

418 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:17:41pm

re: #417 Mich-again

I'd like to see a balanced budget again.

419 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:18:10pm

re: #405 Alouette

I remember Usenet, back in the day, when the most clueless n00bs came from ix.netcom.com.

Back before Eternal September.

420 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:18:13pm
421 Aye Pod  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:18:19pm

re: #406 MrPaulRevere

I consider myself a fiscal conservative and I did not attend a tea party. Do I get kicked out of the club?

If anyone does happen to see a furry or some other screaming nutball at a tea party and are tempted to laugh or crack a joke just remember - that's fiscal conservatism you are looking at. Show some respect/

422 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:18:27pm

re: #348 Phil.

Well, Jimmah is right:


We need to start keeping an eye out for furries etc at these tea parties. Can't be long now before the first sighting.

There have been folks in chicken suits at these things. Not technically a furry, but close enough.

423 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:18:28pm

re: #417 Mich-again

I would like to see the government promote policies that reduce our dependence on foreign oil including more drilling in the USA. That would be a good start to balancing out the trade deficit.

Allow me to quickly plug setamericafree.org

424 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:18:37pm

re: #160 Dr. Shalit

Last Mohican -
With the exception of David Duke, the KKK has been as originally conceived, the guerrilla arm of the antebellum Democratic Party.

But then came Brown vs. Board of Ed, and the KKK migrated to the Dixiecrats, then to the Republicans.

What changed, do you think?

425 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:18:37pm

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

Phil, there are loonies who show up at events as furries. It was was said in semi-jest, he wasn't saying that all people at Tea Party events are crazies.

PIMF

426 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:18:49pm

re: #422 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, Jimmah is right:

There have been folks in chicken suits at these things. Not technically a furry, but close enough.

What's a "furry"?

427 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:20:03pm

re: #426 Last Mohican

What's a "furry"?

Just remember, it was you who asked...

[Link: www.google.com...]

428 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:20:11pm

re: #426 Last Mohican

What's a "furry"?

You may not want to know...

429 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:20:29pm

re: #393 Iron Fist

Ahhhh. Those were the days, weren't they? Fresh, wild troll to hunt, he ever-new savannah of the internet on which to stalk out prey. Late nights around a bon fire passing around a bottle of something mild like bearing degreaser, toasting to the piled up severed heads of the day's catch of trolls. Those were the good days. Will they eveah come again?

I remember it well. I've been here since October 21st, 2001. It was the wild west back in the pre-registration days. Imho, the highlight of my LGF career was the night arch-troofer Dylan Avery came here and started spouting his crap. I ended up calling him the "alpha-baboon of the troofer troop," among many, many other things.

430 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:20:58pm

re: #422 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, Jimmah is right:

There have been folks in chicken suits at these things. Not technically a furry, but close enough.

At the Boston event (I observed, not attended) there was a guy with an Obama mask, a flesh colored body suit, underwear (worn on the outside), and holding a balloon of "Elmo" from Sesame Street. No foolin'.

His show on Fox News begins next week.

431 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:20:59pm

re: #426 Last Mohican

What's a "furry"?

Weirdos who dress up in animal costumes. Many of then have several screws loose.

432 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:21:03pm

Why people have gotten emotionally attached to the tea parties is a mystery to me. A lot of solid citizens were there for the right reasons, but lets be honest. They were an empty vessel ripe for infiltration and opportunism from all sorts of scalawags.

433 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:21:54pm

re: #408 Sharmuta

Quite a few of us have issues with tea party organizers. Quite a few of us are concerned about the mainstreaming of wacky paulbotonomics. Perhaps you aren't able to make that distinction?

What does that mean to the American who has found a venue in which to protest her disgust with the government?

434 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:22:04pm

re: #429 Shiplord Kirel

I remember it well. I've been here since October 21st, 2001. It was the wild west back in the pre-registration days. Imho, the highlight of my LGF career was the night arch-troofer Dylan Avery came here and started spouting his crap. I ended up calling him the "alpha-baboon of the troofer troop," among many, many other things.

Dylan Avery posted here? He's like the troofer version of Moses. I wish I would have known about LGF before Rathergate. That would have been fun.

435 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:22:09pm

re: #420 Iron Fist

He's around, and all I've heard from him has his prognosis as good as can be expected given the circumstances. I know some of his medications will lay him out. I saw him yesterday, I'm pretty sure. Or maybe that was today. He got nick-jacked over at AoS. He was as pleased by that ae you'd expect. Said something about making them a prize gelding shit stirrir (OK, I made the last up :-)

Thanks!

436 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:22:44pm

re: #419 ArchangelMichael

Back before Eternal September.

It sucked when AOL started giving away CD-ROMs instead of floppies.

Re-formatting AOL floppies was a public service...

437 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:22:45pm

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

Weirdos who dress up in animal costumes. Many of them have several screws loose.

PIMF, again

438 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:23:01pm

I typed:

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, they're just jumping on the Paulbot band wagon. "Tea Party" protests were their thing a year or two before Obama took office and kookservatives started jumping on board.

to which you replied:


Mandy, just my crazy imagination at work again. Face it, there are several people on this forum hostile to people protesting this government's reckless spending policies. It's not something I've made up.

Are you having difficulty reading? Difficulty with the reply/quote function? Or just a bit of difficulty with basic thinking?

439 NelsFree  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:23:07pm

Y'know, ever since I read that discussing with Avanti is like wrestling with a pig, I've grown tired. Groan. Grown, groan, whatever. Anyway,...

Raleigh, NC will have a Tax Protest, organized by Americans for Prosperity, Wednesday, June 4. I'll attend and take notes. Zombie, maybe you could fly in and give the secret handshake for recognition. I'll look out for Nazi, Troofers, Paulians, and "Furries". Joe the Plumber will be a speaker, and Mary Katherine Ham will also speak.
G'nite.

440 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:23:22pm

re: #421 Jimmah

If anyone does happen to see a furry or some other screaming nutball at a tea party and are tempted to laugh or crack a joke just remember - that's fiscal conservatism you are looking at. Show some respect/

Everytime I see "furry" I think of Furryoldguyjeans and wonder what the h@ll did. Then my brain locks into gear.

What's with all the "furry" talk?

:)

441 doubter4444  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:23:25pm

I posted this on the other link, so sorry if I broke a rule or something, but:

This is F@#$ing crazy.
What happened to Capt. Ed?
This is pure hate talk. They will not take responsibility for their actions. And this will lead to something bad.
This country can not afford this kind of irresponsible ground laying.
I don't give a rats ass if the argument was "the lefties did it too!" The real fact is that this hate and venom is completely out of whack for what is happening in the real world, and the level of worrisome speech is coming from news outlets and major players sooner and more harshly than Bush 2000.
If you recall, Gore ACTUALLY conceded the election, and if I remember, asked the country to get behind the new president.
Now we have hundreds of thousands (or more) of people how publicly denounce the president of the United States, and wish for him to fail or worse, for him to well... something.

This is the truth. This is where we are.
I was an adult in 2000, and I think the vitriol then has no match or what is happening now.
I think I'm pretty moderate, with a strong lean to the right.
And I'm getting worried.

442 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:23:28pm

re: #193 JacksonTn

Avanti ... I don't believe this stuff that is being pushed out now about criticism ... but I sure as hell know all about the silencing of people during the campaign ... RACIST! ... that is all that needed to be said at the first mention of something about Obama ... that was the silencing that took place ... and it was because of that imposed silence that we were never able to really discuss his past ... and if you think he doesn't feel in any way aligned with Black Liberation Theology ... I would like to know what in the hell you think he was doing in that church ... do you even know what Black Liberation Theology means? ... do you know what they really believe? ...

Just for argument's sake, do you believe that Sarah Palin, as a lifelong Pentacostal, was aware of the Dominionist and Christian Reconstructionist factions in her church? Do you know what they really believe?

443 MandyManners  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:23:33pm

Good gosh!

How many Americans structure their day to attend a protest?

444 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:23:39pm

re: #436 Dar ul Harb

And I used AOHell CDs as coasters!

445 J.D.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:24:09pm

re: #444 Macker

And I used AOHell CDs as coasters!

So did I!

446 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:24:10pm

re: #424 ShanghaiEd

But then came Brown vs. Board of Ed, and the KKK migrated to the Dixiecrats, then to the Republicans.

What changed, do you think?

Lyndon Baines Johnson happened.

447 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:24:55pm

re: #436 Dar ul Harb

It sucked when AOL started giving away CD-ROMs instead of floppies.

Re-formatting AOL floppies was a public service...

If you have an old crappy microwave oven you don't care too much about, AOL CDs (or any CDs for that matter) make a neat little light show if you put them in for about 2-3 seconds.

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:25:07pm

re: #427 Thanos

Just remember, it was you who asked...

[Link: www.google.com...]


The wierd fettish people?

Oh, mind bleach warning needed!

449 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:25:26pm

re: #444 Macker

And I used AOHell CDs as coasters!

Well, you can only use so many coasters.

Now if you'd said you used them for skeet, then we'd have ourselves a gun thread.

450 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:25:28pm

re: #433 MandyManners

What does that mean to the American who has found a venue in which to protest her disgust with the government?

I don't know, Mandy. That's up to the individual. I would hope people are not taken in by this silly notion that auditing the Federal Reserve is any sort of solution to government spending, but it seems the "audit the fed" signs are popular.

451 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:25:47pm

re: #418 Sharmuta

I'd like a solid gold toilet bowl, but u can wish in one hand and take a crap in the other. Tell me which one gets filled first?

452 Sheila Broflovski  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:26:37pm

re: #436 Dar ul Harb

It sucked when AOL started giving away CD-ROMs instead of floppies.

Re-formatting AOL floppies was a public service...

12 creative things you can do with AOL CDs

453 M. Simon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:26:37pm

So if I call my Congress Critter and say: More funds for Polywell Fusion (which may get a stimulus grant) I'm in trouble?

Bussard's IEC Fusion Technology (Polywell Fusion) Explained

Why hasn't Polywell Fusion been fully funded by the Obama administration?

454 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:26:37pm

re: #432 MrPaulRevere

Why people have gotten emotionally attached to the tea parties is a mystery to me. A lot of solid citizens were there for the right reasons, but lets be honest. They were an empty vessel ripe for infiltration and opportunism from all sorts of scalawags.

I never denied that. But they're a legitimate outlet for bringing fiscal conservatism back to the country. People of all stripes (even liberals) can relate to people opposed to expansive government and huge deficits. And these aren't professional politicians. They're people who have recognized that both parties have put the nation on a course towards fiscal insolvency.

I guess your alternative is condemning other people on the Internets. I'm sure your elusive electoral majority will be within your grasp shortly.

455 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:27:09pm

re: #450 Sharmuta

I don't know, Mandy. That's up to the individual. I would hope people are not taken in by this silly notion that auditing the Federal Reserve is any sort of solution to government spending, but it seems the "audit the fed" signs are popular.

I'm sure that this is just a moonbat Paulestinian way they think it will expose teh jooo banker conspiracy to enslave the world with debt.

Too bad semi-reasonable people are falling for it.

456 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:27:27pm

re: #449 Dar ul Harb

Well, you can only use so many coasters.

Now if you'd said you used them for skeet, then we'd have ourselves a gun thread.

OK Fine! I went shootin' with 'em too!

/LOL

457 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:27:39pm

re: #428 Dar ul Harb

You may not want to know...

I clicked Thanos' link. I'm still not sure I entirely understand exactly what a furry is, but (1) it seems to be a far more complicated concept than I would have thought, (2) it seems to be a surprisingly controversial term that has the capacity to hurt people's feelings if misapplied, and (3) there is such a thing as "furry porn." I found a furry porn site. I'm not gonna link to it. I really don't know what to say about it. It's not revolting or obscene or anything, just, well, between that and "this is coup," I'm feeling a bit less proud of the human race tonight.

458 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:28:02pm

re: #454 Phil.

Do you think we should audit the Federal Reserve?

459 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:28:14pm

re: #359 Gus 802

I've never taken Pravda seriously before and have no intention of doing so now or in the near future. Half of the time the articles there read like something out of a spoof site.

I wonder if all the people linking to and quoting that Pravda screed have ever read anything else that Mr. Mishin was written. In this article he offers a can't miss solution to Russia's excess land and poor agricultural output problems (not to mention their troubles with illegal Chinese immigrants !?).

It's worth the click -- he's a whack job.

460 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:28:41pm

re: #453 M. Simon

So if I call my Congress Critter and say: More funds for Polywell Fusion (which may get a stimulus grant) I'm in trouble?

Bussard's IEC Fusion Technology (Polywell Fusion) Explained

Why hasn't Polywell Fusion been fully funded by the Obama administration?

No, because your congresscritter doesn't approve grants.

461 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:29:03pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

Do you think we should audit the Federal Reserve?

Don't Ronulans ask that all the time?

462 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:29:36pm

re: #452 Alouette

That AOL CD disco ball is just so appropriate...

You can imagine the Intel bunnysuits dancing under it.

463 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:30:17pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

Do you think we should audit the Federal Reserve?

I actually have no idea what you're referring to. Is this supposed to be some sort of "Kook" test you've written up? Did I pass?

464 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:30:34pm

re: #442 ShanghaiEd

Just for argument's sake, do you believe that Sarah Palin, as a lifelong Pentacostal, was aware of the Dominionist and Christian Reconstructionist factions in her church? Do you know what they really believe?

ShanghaiEd ... I don't know if she did or not but if I could ask her I would ... I don't care if she wants to speak in tongues ... I don't care what church Obama wants to go to ... I wanted him to address it because he was aligned with it for 20 years ... I wanted him to answer questions ... Sarah Palin was asked many questions ... I would not have voted for her if she was on the top of the ticket ... I did not want to vote for McCain but given the choice between Obama and McCain .... I voted McCain ... I know you feel like Avanti ... I see the way you ding ... it does not take long to figure out which way you lean ... I will never vote for Obama ... ever ... do I have ODS? no ... there was a time during and right after the election when I was really mad but I am over that ... but I do not ever want to forget what happened ... ever ...

465 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:30:50pm

re: #454 Phil.


I guess your alternative is condemning other people on the Internets. I'm sure your elusive electoral majority will be within your grasp shortly.

Condemning People On The Internets..

Less effective at political change than playing dress-up, waving signs, and hanging effigies in public since 2009.

466 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:31:00pm

re: #463 Phil.

Right. No idea what I'm referring to.

467 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:31:14pm

re: #453 M. Simon

So if I call my Congress Critter and say: More funds for Polywell Fusion (which may get a stimulus grant) I'm in trouble?

Bussard's IEC Fusion Technology (Polywell Fusion) Explained

Why hasn't Polywell Fusion been fully funded by the Obama administration?

and besides that it would be better if they funded some off the shelf nuke plants now as well, why don't you write about that?

468 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:31:47pm

re: #463 Phil.

I actually have no idea what you're referring to. Is this supposed to be some sort of "Kook" test you've written up? Did I pass?

You can't pass or fail if you don't answer the question Phil.

469 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:32:02pm

re: #467 Thanos

and besides that it would be better if they funded some off the shelf nuke plants now as well, why don't you write about that?

Because Demo☭rats like to tout Pie In The Sky solutions.

470 wee fury  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:32:49pm

I will not attend a tea party. I could be persuaded to attend a beer party or two, however.

471 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:32:59pm
472 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:33:19pm

re: #453 M. Simon

Why hasn't Polywell Fusion been fully funded by the Obama administration?

We've discussed the Polywell approach here before. Bussard struggled for years on a small string of money from the Navy, who are always looking for ways to power ships more economically (and with fewer refueling stops.)

It would not be wrong of you to write your Congressman to request more funding for such an approach. It also would not be wrong for you to send an unsolicited proposal to the DOE.

However, if you knew that part of the "stimulus" funding money going to the the DOE is being split up to go into alternative energy research, and you happen to know a few individuals in the DOE who might be involved in setting up the programs (the funding lines' output, so to speak), and you happened to pay them a visit and take them out to dinner and discuss how wonderful you are and that your Polywell approach would be worthy of some $$$... then that might be questionable.

473 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:33:43pm

re: #468 Thanos

You can't pass or fail if you don't answer the question Phil.

I'd like to see an independent counsel for 0bama/Biden's campaign contributions.
(Never happen.)

What do I win?

474 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:34:01pm

re: #471 Phil.

Ok, you know what? Either send a link to what you're referring to or go fuck yourself Sharmuta.

Hi Phil, nice mouth, I'll tell you what, lay off the language with Sharmuta. Jerk.

475 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:34:17pm

re: #459 Opilio

I wonder if all the people linking to and quoting that Pravda screed have ever read anything else that Mr. Mishin was written. In this article he offers a can't miss solution to Russia's excess land and poor agricultural output problems (not to mention their troubles with illegal Chinese immigrants !?).

It's worth the click -- he's a whack job.

Thanks. I didn't know about the specific writer of the article but do now. He's a crackpot. For a time I was going to the Pravda site to see the headlines and articles which are a lot like the old USSR anti-American propaganda pieces mixed in with a gossip rag style.

The article will spread across the internet thanks to Drudge (who shouldn't have linked to it in the first place) in what can be summed up as: see even Pravda believes that America is descending into Marxism! The pre-existing conspiracy nuts and nirther types will love this sound byte. And it's authored by a lunatic and hosted at Pravda.

Priceless.

476 J.D.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:34:32pm

re: #473 Dar ul Harb

I'd like to see an independent counsel for 0bama/Biden's campaign contributions.
(Never happen.)

What do I win?

Disappointment?

477 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:34:40pm

My local PBS! station is running Pink Floyds Dark side of the Moon concert. So I can sit here with y'all and listen to some tunes.
BTW...Phil. go piss up a rope.

478 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:34:55pm

re: #462 Dar ul Harb

That AOL CD disco ball is just so appropriate...

You can imagine the Intel bunnysuits dancing under it.

To Love Rollercoaster by the Ohio Players....

479 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:35:05pm

re: #471 Phil.

You mean you don't know how to google something yourself?

480 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:35:31pm

re: #477 pingjockey

My local PBS! station is running Pink Floyds Dark side of the Moon concert. So I can sit here with y'all and listen to some tunes.
BTW...Phil. go piss up a rope.

PJ ... that is one of my favorites albums ...

481 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:35:35pm

re: #477 pingjockey

My local PBS! station is running Pink Floyds Dark side of the Moon concert. So I can sit here with y'all and listen to some tunes.
BTW...Phil. go piss up a rope.

Nice!

482 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:35:44pm

re: #471 Phil.

1,630,000 hits on Google. 'audit the federal reserve'.

483 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:35:50pm

re: #469 Macker

Because Demo☭rats like to tout Pie In The Sky solutions.

Bussard's new design is interesting, but it's years out if ever - definitely want it to carry forward. However I'd rather commoditize energy now by building a lot of atomic energy plants all over the planet. We need cheap, plentiful, clean power yesterday. You do that and many economic woes go away as well.

484 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:35:57pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

You mean you don't know how to google something yourself?

You would think considering that Phil. has an IQ of 167.

//

485 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:36:24pm

re: #463 Phil.

How 'bout this. Do you think we should abolish the Federal Reserve? Do you really need a link to answer a yes or no question?

486 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:36:29pm

Cleanup on aisle 471...

487 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:36:30pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

You mean you don't know how to google something yourself?

I know something he can do to himself, but I'm not saying it while a lady is around.

488 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:36:31pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

Skirting the truth; preliminary to flouncing.

489 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:36:43pm

re: #454 Phil.

Slow down there Hoss. I never bashed you personally. If you were there for the right reasons, good for you. Just be careful who you give money to.

490 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:36:43pm

re: #471 Phil.

Radiation suits, everyone. This is a level 4 warning.

491 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:36:49pm

re: #477 pingjockey

My local PBS! station is running Pink Floyds Dark side of the Moon concert. So I can sit here with y'all and listen to some tunes.
BTW...Phil. go piss up a rope.

PJ ... I just checked my locatl PBS is showing Dr. Wayne Dyer ... dang ...

492 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:37:07pm

re: #480 JacksonTn

re: #481 Floral Giraffe

Thing is I missed the begining and have no idea when/where this was recorded. :(

493 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:37:07pm

re: #473 Dar ul Harb

Have you talked to Fitzgerald?

494 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:37:20pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

You mean you don't know how to google something yourself?

You asked me the question. So no, why don't you provide me with a link to what you're referring.

495 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:37:24pm

re: #488 jaunte

After lashing out like that, I am leaning towards paulian.

496 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:37:59pm

re: #485 Slumbering Behemoth

How 'bout this. Do you think we should abolish the Federal Reserve? Do you really need a link to answer a yes or no question?

No, I don't. Did I pass your test now?

497 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:38:16pm

re: #494 Phil.

Why would I do that after what you just said to me? I have not said anything vulgar to you, and that's how you react?

498 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:38:56pm

I don't spoon feed.

499 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:39:08pm

re: #482 jaunte

1,630,000 hits on Google. 'audit the federal reserve'.

Yes, because I frequently google that phrase multiple times a day.

So again, did I pass your little test or no?

500 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:39:32pm

re: #498 Sharmuta

I think Phil likes the Gerber carrots

501 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:39:32pm

re: #494 Phil.

You asked me the question. So no, why don't you provide me with a link to what you're referring.

Shut up.

502 aBu bIn sQuid  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:39:55pm

Is America going to take this laying down.
- P. Geller

Um, lying down. One lays a book down. Cats lay down. Humans laying is Biblical, wink-wink.

503 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:40:19pm

re: #491 JacksonTn
I am in eastern Wa state, so it's either seattle or spokane pbs. Where we are I get 2 of the msm and 2 pbs due to the cable. One from seattle and one from spokane. Kinda nice during football season though. The spokane station can shiw a game before the seahawk game but for some contractual bs the seattle station can't. Weird.

504 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:40:23pm

The flounceometer is starting to register.

505 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:40:51pm

re: #500 Thanos

I think Phil likes the Gerber carrots

I just got in from work, and there is a brawl going on. Why is this asashole picking on Sharmuta?

506 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:41:05pm

re: #500 Thanos

Top grades in his 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' course.

507 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:41:20pm

re: #499 Phil.

You pretend to be lazy and incurious. I think you're just lying.

508 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:41:32pm

re: #496 Phil.

Not a test, just a question. But the more I read your posts, the more I am starting to think that some men have emotionally imbalancing menstrual cycles.

509 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:41:42pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton
No frakkin' idea! Just got here too.

510 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:42:07pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

I just got in from work, and there is a brawl going on. Why is this asashole picking on Sharmuta?

Because I've been politely asserting he's mistaken about LGFers concerning the tea parties and fiscal conservatives.

511 wee fury  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:42:33pm

Philwithadot
You may want to consider getting some sleep.

512 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:42:37pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

I just got in from work, and there is a brawl going on. Why is this asashole picking on Sharmuta?

He was at it last night. For several hours. In fact his first words to Sharmuta was "spare me" followed by his typical rants which have no been repeated 100s of times by the maniac.

513 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:43:14pm

re: #475 Gus 802

America is not decending into Marxism.

Hell, I'd bet that most Amis can't even hum, much less sing, 'Hooray for Captain Spaulding'.

Case closed.

514 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:43:26pm

re: #496 Phil.

A warning from buzzsawmonkey for you:

A cautionary tale, from earlier:

Flounce to the Exit
--to the tune of "Waltzing Mathilda"

Once a jolly moby registered to comment here
Waited and lurked upon threads patiently
And he sang as he watched and waited for his exit cue,
"You'll see me flounce to the exit shortly."

"Flounce to the exit
Flounce to the exit
I'm going to flounce to the exit shortly"
And he sang as he watched and waited for his exit cue,
"You'll see me flounce to the exit shortly."

Up came a thread that took apart creationists
Up came a thread debunking conspiracies
And he sang as his comments became more and more abusive,
"You'll see me flounce to the exit shortly."

"Flounce to the exit
Flounce to the exit
I'm going to flounce to the exit shortly"
And he sang as his comments became more and more abusive,
"You'll see me flounce to the exit shortly."

Up came Charles Johnson with the banning stick in hand
Flanked on his side by formidable Stinky
"May I suggest that you moderate your posting style?
Else I will show you the exit shortly."

"Show you the exit
Show you the exit
Else I will show you the exit shortly
May I suggest that you moderate your posting style?
Else I will show you the exit shortly."

Up reared the moby, and ripped out a parting screed
"Here's what I think--I dare you to ban me!"
But not even a ghost of his words remains on the board
After he flounced to the exit shortly

Flounced to the exit
Flounced to the exit
Leaving a rant behind for all to see
But not even a ghost of his words remains on the board
After he flounced to the exit shortly

515 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:43:36pm

re: #503 pingjockey

Heh...similar deal growing up in Western Mass. The stations in Boston would usually carry a different game than the ones in Hartford.

516 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:43:42pm

re: #497 Sharmuta

Why would I do that after what you just said to me? I have not said anything vulgar to you, and that's how you react?

Because you're a symptom of the problem here. You and a whole host of people on this site are obsessed with seeking out "Paulians" in every nook and corner, as if everyone opposed to this administration's reckless spending is a "Paulian".

Hint: I'm not a "Paulian" and I don't appreciate the suggestion that I am or your sarcasm implying it. So don't wait for an apology for my language. You're the one picking fights with me and requiring stupid tests. If you think being smug to people who largely agree with you is your route to electoral success, best of luck to you.

517 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:44:01pm

re: #506 Sharmuta

More like...

518 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:44:11pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

I just got in from work, and there is a brawl going on. Why is this asashole picking on Sharmuta?

He's a tea party fan and brings it to every thread, topical or not

519 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:44:45pm

re: #399 NelsFree

Perhaps you should read the charter or mission statement of Trinity United Church in Chicago. They don't post it anymore, strangely.
Anyone got that?

Ah. Must have been the lynching and torture in the church mission statement that got it pulled. Stands to reason./

520 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:45:07pm

re: #515 Fenway_Nation
Yeah, It is kind of odd.

521 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:45:18pm

re: #504 Dar ul Harb

The flounceometer is starting to register.

True, but I think a Terminal Flounce Event (TFE) can still be avoided here.

Look, Phil. has an IQ of 167, a graduate degree in Economics, and punctuation build directly into his name. He's getting hissy tonight, but I think he can still get it together. If he puts down the drink, shuts down the computer, and hits the sack, tomorrow may be a whole new day for Phil..

[first period was part of his name, second period marked the end of my sentence]

522 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:46:03pm

re: #512 Gus 802

He was at it last night. For several hours. In fact his first words to Sharmuta was "spare me" followed by his typical rants which have no been repeated 100s of times by the maniac.

And now he ran away?re: #516 Phil.

Because you're a symptom of the problem here. You and a whole host of people on this site are obsessed with seeking out "Paulians" in every nook and corner, as if everyone opposed to this administration's reckless spending is a "Paulian".

Hint: I'm not a "Paulian" and I don't appreciate the suggestion that I am or your sarcasm implying it. So don't wait for an apology for my language. You're the one picking fights with me and requiring stupid tests. If you think being smug to people who largely agree with you is your route to electoral success, best of luck to you.

I'm not a Paulian either. What is your opinion of the Federal Reserve? Just a summary? I'm wondering, because I have trouble with them, a bit at least.

523 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:46:05pm

Meltdown....

Youtube Video

Namaste, Ya'll
/what is that?
524 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:46:07pm

re: #516 Phil.

Heck no- I'm also seeking out crypto-fascists.

525 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:46:25pm

re: #519 ShanghaiEd
Actually it was very racist. If a predominately white church had espoused what Trinity did you'd have heard the howling in Antartica.

526 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:46:26pm

re: #516 Phil.

OK, now you're maligning one the smartest posters on the board.

GAZE

527 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:46:55pm

re: #518 Thanos

He's a tea party fan and brings it to every thread, topical or not

Yeah, all of 2 of them. I'm like obsessed or something.

Actually, quite the contrary, you seem to quite obsessed with seeking out bizarre "Paulians" across the Internet. Or at least creating them in your own mind.

528 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:47:26pm

re: #513 razorbacker

America is not decending into Marxism.

Hell, I'd bet that most Amis can't even hum, much less sing, 'Hooray for Captain Spaulding'.

The African Explorer?

529 legalpad  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:47:28pm

re: #471 Phil.

No reason for that. It's not that hard to find out what somebody is talking about. I didn't know until I did a simple search.

530 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:47:29pm

re: #516 Phil.

If you think being smug to people who largely agree with you is your route to electoral success, best of luck to you.

Sharm, I had no idea you were running for office! I'll vote for you, if I'm eligible.

531 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:47:29pm

In 1978 Congress passed the Federal Banking Agency Audit Act. It placed the Federal Reserve System back under the auditing authority of the GAO. The Act significantly increased the access of the GAO to the Federal Reserve Banks, the Board, and the Federal Open Market Committee (the FOMC). Since then, the GAO has conducted over 100 financial audits and performance audits of the three Federal Reserve bodies.
[Link: www4.law.cornell.edu...]

532 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:48:27pm

re: #531 jaunte
Damnit! Don't confuse the issue with facts!

533 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:48:45pm

re: #520 pingjockey

Backfired on me a few years back when I was visiting relatives in upstate NY. The Albany stations were carrying Giants/Bungles- the BFD who-fucking-cares game of the week and I missed out on that San Diego/Indy game when Indy was looking to run the table.

534 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:48:54pm

Who needs a beer?

535 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:49:02pm

re: #532 pingjockey

Crazy!

536 wee fury  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:49:40pm

re: #534 Racer X

Who needs a beer?

Me.

537 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:49:45pm

re: #519 ShanghaiEd

- 75 carma 4 Phil, just sayin, this does not appear to be a new thingy? Although, nothing wrong with a dissenting voice (not shrill, just a voice).

538 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:49:51pm

re: #523 Killgore Trout

"Acting! Genius! Thank you!"
--Master Thespian

539 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:49:55pm

re: #527 Phil.

Yeah, all of 2 of them. I'm like obsessed or something.

Actually, quite the contrary, you seem to quite obsessed with seeking out bizarre "Paulians" across the Internet. Or at least creating them in your own mind.

Then let's just get down to basics, and leave RP out of the discussions. In my opinion, the Tea Party groups are worthless. It is a grass roots movement that has no clout. You have a small handful of Republican politicians showing up at a few of the gathering, but overall, there doesn't seem to be much support from the folks in Washington.

So, what in the world do you think the Tea Party's will accomplish?

540 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:49:58pm

re: #528 Opilio

He brought his name undying fame.

Anyway, that's how I remember it.

541 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:50:02pm

re: #533 Fenway_Nation
Gaaah!
That'll happen here too. Both Seattle and Spokane stations will carry the same game!

542 Aye Pod  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:50:03pm

K...back to bed for me. Night all.

543 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:50:14pm

All good fiscal conservatives support the tea party concept...yeah, that's the ticket ///

544 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:50:40pm

re: #464 JacksonTn

ShanghaiEd ... I don't know if she did or not but if I could ask her I would ... I don't care if she wants to speak in tongues ... I don't care what church Obama wants to go to ... I wanted him to address it because he was aligned with it for 20 years ... I wanted him to answer questions ... Sarah Palin was asked many questions ... I would not have voted for her if she was on the top of the ticket ... I did not want to vote for McCain but given the choice between Obama and McCain .... I voted McCain ... I know you feel like Avanti ... I see the way you ding ... it does not take long to figure out which way you lean ... I will never vote for Obama ... ever ... do I have ODS? no ... there was a time during and right after the election when I was really mad but I am over that ... but I do not ever want to forget what happened ... ever ...

Well, in fairness, it wasn't your job to ask Palin about the Dominionists, the Reconstructionists, and the visiting witch-hunters. It was the media's job. Why do you think they didn't?

And if you think those movements are about speaking in tongues, you've got a lot of research to do.

PS: Sorry my dings don't lean to your liking. :)

545 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:50:59pm

re: #539 Walter L. Newton

Then let's just get down to basics, and leave RP out of the discussions. In my opinion, the Tea Party groups are worthless. It is a grass roots movement that has no clout. You have a small handful of Republican politicians showing up at a few of the gathering, but overall, there doesn't seem to be much support from the folks in Washington.

So, what in the world do you think the Tea Party's will accomplish?

Maybe he's in the pantaloon trade.

546 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:51:15pm

re: #534 Racer X

I'm set, thanks.

/using AOL CD coaster

547 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:51:27pm

re: #523 Killgore Trout

Hmm.

That would have been the most inexplicable thing of the evening, if I hadn't just visited my first furry porn site a little while back.

548 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:51:35pm

re: #531 jaunte

In 1978 Congress passed the Federal Banking Agency Audit Act. It placed the Federal Reserve System back under the auditing authority of the GAO. The Act significantly increased the access of the GAO to the Federal Reserve Banks, the Board, and the Federal Open Market Committee (the FOMC). Since then, the GAO has conducted over 100 financial audits and performance audits of the three Federal Reserve bodies.
[Link: www4.law.cornell.edu...]

This is a lot like the calls to "study the effects of mercury in vaccinations and its causal effects on autism." Countless of studies have been done all drawing the same conclusion. Yet, the conspiracy theorists continue to call for another study.

549 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:51:48pm

I've pointed out that several people on the LGF forums claim to be fiscal conservatives but consistently mock, scorn and look down on the Tea Party protesters. The protesters that are protesting...reckless spending and general fiscal irresponsibility.

To which people responded I was making it up. Then when I pointed this out and started quoting people's words doing exactly what I said above, their hostility has come out more in the open for the rest to see.

Which I guess is why they're so obsessed with painting me as a "Paulian".

550 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:52:03pm

re: #545 Bloodnok

Maybe he's in the pantaloon trade.

I really want a serious answer from Phil to my question at re: #539 Walter L. Newton

551 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:52:38pm

re: #549 Phil.

You're projecting your hostility onto others.

552 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:52:48pm

re: #527 Phil.

Yeah, all of 2 of them. I'm like obsessed or something.

Actually, quite the contrary, you seem to quite obsessed with seeking out bizarre "Paulians" across the Internet. Or at least creating them in your own mind.

You seem obsessed with denying reality. The connections exist, and have been documented. If you don't like it then quit denying it and do something about it, rather than rubbing elbows with those you wish to pretend are not within your midst.

553 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:52:53pm

re: #549 Phil.

I've pointed out that several people on the LGF forums claim to be fiscal conservatives but consistently mock, scorn and look down on the Tea Party protesters. The protesters that are protesting...reckless spending and general fiscal irresponsibility.

To which people responded I was making it up. Then when I pointed this out and started quoting people's words doing exactly what I said above, their hostility has come out more in the open for the rest to see.

Which I guess is why they're so obsessed with painting me as a "Paulian".

Can you answer my question at re: #539 Walter L. Newton ?

554 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:53:00pm

re: #534 Racer X

Who needs a beer?

Sam Adams if you got it.

555 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:54:35pm

re: #457 Last Mohican

I clicked Thanos' link. I'm still not sure I entirely understand exactly what a furry is, but (1) it seems to be a far more complicated concept than I would have thought, (2) it seems to be a surprisingly controversial term that has the capacity to hurt people's feelings if misapplied, and (3) there is such a thing as "furry porn." I found a furry porn site. I'm not gonna link to it. I really don't know what to say about it. It's not revolting or obscene or anything, just, well, between that and "this is coup," I'm feeling a bit less proud of the human race tonight.

Bonus fun fact:
Do people remember when some of the crazier right wing blogs decided to try and prove Obama's great uncle wasn't a military vet? There was a guy sending harassing emails to WWII vets and vet organizations and accusing them of lying. Very nasty stuff.

Anyway, much hilarity ensued in the lefty blogosphere when it turned out that the guy doing that was also a furry.

556 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:54:57pm

re: #548 Gus 802

The GAO doesn't have complete access to everything in the Federal Reserve system, so I guess there is always room for someone to call shenanigans.

557 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:54:57pm

re: #543 MrPaulRevere

All good fiscal conservatives support the tea party concept...yeah, that's the ticket ///

I didn't expect you to attend. I don't expect better than your contempt and mockery. But good look on your upcoming electoral victory from behind the comforts of your keyboard.

558 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:55:26pm

Phil: You really want to be effective? Listen up.

Obama is at 67 approval rating, we can't do jack shit about him for four years except whittle down his approval rating. We aren't going to do that with hysterical diatribes, just as even Iran-contra couldn't harm Reagan. So we have to work the angles that we can that are effective. Attacking O doesn't seem to be working at all, period. Again what we can do about O the next four is jack+shit unless he oversteps and does something unconstitutional. IF you think he has then by golly, go file your federal case while the court's still in our favor.

Moving on: The congress is responsible for the mess we are in ... not Obama. 535 congresscritters minus most Republicans passed that legislation. Sure, O did not veto it. Bad ... but you know what? Nothing we can do about it now.

If we want to stop the bad craziness we are going to have to stop it where it starts. In Congress. That means focusing there, not on the O.

Are you keeping up here Phil?

So next elections are in 2010. Are the tea parties effective for any single Republican candidate? So far I haven't seen any signs of that. Rather I have seen signs of libertarian, constitution party, and Paultard recruiting at many of them. That doesn't seem helpful. One of the sideshows in your state people were chanting : "Dump the Republicans!" now that's not really helpful is it?

So if you want to help focus on what you can do to sap from O's power base in congress. Senate is objective number one because it's easier to get to parity there due to demographics. So what are you doing for senate campaigns Phil?

559 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:55:46pm

re: #552 Slumbering Behemoth
That's what pisses me off. The tea party grass roots have been co-opted by the loonies.

560 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:56:07pm

re: #527 Phil.

Yeah, all of 2 of them. I'm like obsessed or something.

Actually, quite the contrary, you seem to quite obsessed with seeking out bizarre "Paulians" across the Internet. Or at least creating them in your own mind.

Yes, you sure are.

561 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:56:20pm

re: #549 Phil.

Phil, for the 104th time, we're not opposed to protesting fiscal irresponsibility, and some of us such as myself are not hostile to the Tea Party idea. What we are concerned about is the level of influence that Paulians and Neo-Nazis have at such events. We think such events are not adequately coordinated to exclude crazies and we raise those concerns. Does that answer your question?

562 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:56:28pm

re: #557 Phil.

I didn't expect you to attend. I don't expect better than your contempt and mockery. But good look on your upcoming electoral victory from behind the comforts of your keyboard.

Have you ever gone to a Tea Party protest?

563 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:56:42pm

re: #559 pingjockey

That's what pisses me off. The tea party grass roots have been co-opted by the loonies.

Either that, or the Paulians' tea parties are being co-opted by the grass roots.

564 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:57:12pm

re: #550 Walter L. Newton

I really want a serious answer from Phil to my question at re: #539 Walter L. Newton

Right now, the public doesn't understand the extent of the deficits this administration is sinking us in. We've heard too many billions this and billions that for people to even realize how big two trillion is.

The Tea Party Protesters are there to explain to the nation what's in store for us if we don't start getting our fiscal house in order.

565 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:57:20pm

re: #491 JacksonTn

PJ ... I just checked my locatl PBS is showing Dr. Wayne Dyer ... dang ...

BUT...if you watch Wayne Dyer while listening to Dark Side of the Moon, they're actually synchronized. And vice versa. :)

566 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:57:22pm

Flounce on

Floucne off

/Mr. Miyagi

567 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:57:27pm

Archie! You're running for office too? High five.

568 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:58:05pm

re: #544 ShanghaiEd

Well, in fairness, it wasn't your job to ask Palin about the Dominionists, the Reconstructionists, and the visiting witch-hunters. It was the media's job. Why do you think they didn't?

And if you think those movements are about speaking in tongues, you've got a lot of research to do.

PS: Sorry my dings don't lean to your liking. :)

ShanghaiEd .... I know about her church and not just the speaking in tongues part ... the media? ... lol ... yeah, that's a friggin joke ... they tore her apart ... what in the hell did they do to Obama? ... they were the under the desk b*tch for him the whole time and you know it ... so he is president now ... what does he have to lose by answering a question or two about things people really wanted to know ...

We will just have to disagree on loving Obama ...

569 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:58:30pm

re: #563 Last Mohican
All I know is I've gone to two out here in the wilds of eastern Wa, and there were NO Paulians, or neonazis in the crowd, or if they were, they weren't carrying signs and such advertising themselves.

570 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:58:52pm

weet dreams all!

571 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:58:55pm

re: #557 Phil.

I didn't expect you to attend. I don't expect better than your contempt and mockery. But good look on your upcoming electoral victory from behind the comforts of your keyboard.

Wow, MrPaulRevere is running for office too!

572 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:58:58pm

re: #549 Phil.

I've pointed out that several people on the LGF forums claim to be fiscal conservatives but consistently mock, scorn and look down on the Tea Party protesters. The protesters that are protesting...reckless spending and general fiscal irresponsibility.

In most cases I mock the TP because:

1) They are, by their very nature protests, and until you start getting locked up for speaking to your representatives or voting, protests are for hippies and attention whores.

2) They consistently attract Paulestinians and those who on the surface support fiscal conservatism but come to try to win converts to their other various loony beliefs via the strategy of Entryism. Wanting to abolish the Fed because you think its a Rothschild illuminati bilderberger Joo-banker conspiracy ≠ fiscal conservatism. Wanting to switch us to the gold standard because you think it will stop out of control spending also ≠ fiscal conservatism. It's just lunacy.

573 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:59:40pm

re: #565 ShanghaiEd
If I had to watch that Doc I'd spill everything I remember about Russian submarines!

574 pink freud  Sat, May 30, 2009 9:59:45pm

re: #555 iceweasel

Bonus fun fact:
Do people remember when some of the crazier right wing blogs decided to try and prove Obama's great uncle wasn't a military vet? There was a guy sending harassing emails to WWII vets and vet organizations and accusing them of lying. Very nasty stuff.

Anyway, much hilarity ensued in the lefty blogosphere when it turned out that the guy doing that was also a furry.

Another fun fact, at least according to Spiegel:

"Payne told Spiegel that he was shocked to see his war experience, especially his "liberation" of a concentration camp, used in campaign commercials. He said he had never spoken with his nephew about the matter, nor did Obama ever express any interest in Payne's experience.

“I was quite surprised when the whole thing came up and Barack talked about my war experiences in Nazi Germany,” Payne said. “We had never talked about that before.”

Payne doesn’t know where Obama came up with the fictitious Auschwitz connection. "

/I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the MSM to say a word about it.

575 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:00:00pm

re: #525 pingjockey

Actually it was very racist. If a predominately white church had espoused what Trinity did you'd have heard the howling in Antartica.

I'd like to read it. Where did you find it? Surely it's preserved somewhere, if it was that bad.

576 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:00:43pm

re: #559 pingjockey

As has been noted here before, the "Tea Party" protests were in full swing a year or two before Obama was elected, as a Paulbot movement.

The "loonies" started it, and it is the "kookservatives" that have been doing the recent co-opting.

577 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:01:00pm

re: #558 Thanos

Phil: You really want to be effective? Listen up.

Obama is at 67 approval rating, we can't do jack shit about him for four years except whittle down his approval rating. We aren't going to do that with hysterical diatribes, just as even Iran-contra couldn't harm Reagan. So we have to work the angles that we can that are effective. Attacking O doesn't seem to be working at all, period. Again what we can do about O the next four is jack+shit unless he oversteps and does something unconstitutional. IF you think he has then by golly, go file your federal case while the court's still in our favor.

Moving on: The congress is responsible for the mess we are in ... not Obama. 535 congresscritters minus most Republicans passed that legislation. Sure, O did not veto it. Bad ... but you know what? Nothing we can do about it now.

If we want to stop the bad craziness we are going to have to stop it where it starts. In Congress. That means focusing there, not on the O.

Are you keeping up here Phil?

So next elections are in 2010. Are the tea parties effective for any single Republican candidate? So far I haven't seen any signs of that. Rather I have seen signs of libertarian, constitution party, and Paultard recruiting at many of them. That doesn't seem helpful. One of the sideshows in your state people were chanting : "Dump the Republicans!" now that's not really helpful is it?

So if you want to help focus on what you can do to sap from O's power base in congress. Senate is objective number one because it's easier to get to parity there due to demographics. So what are you doing for senate campaigns Phil?

If you haven't noticed, registrations as Independents are at an all time high and growing. People are fed up with both parties. For someone to yell, "Both parties are screwing up" actually appeals to most people right now.

578 NY Nana  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:01:08pm

re: #526 Dark_Falcon

Methinks that this is the tea party Phil would go to...the guy in the brown hat....

579 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:01:22pm

re: #575 ShanghaiEd

I'd like to read it. Where did you find it? Surely it's preserved somewhere, if it was that bad.

SE ... if you had been here during the election you would have learned some things ... go into the archives and you do some "research" ...

580 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:01:57pm

re: #570 ggt

weet dreams all!

weet, or wet ? :)

581 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:02:05pm

re: #575 ShanghaiEd
Make me think! Sheesh. I'll try google. It was a ten or 20 'step' program or tenents to reject white middle classness.

582 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:02:06pm

re: #544 ShanghaiEd

Well, in fairness, it wasn't your job to ask Palin about the Dominionists, the Reconstructionists, and the visiting witch-hunters. It was the media's job. Why do you think they didn't?

And if you think those movements are about speaking in tongues, you've got a lot of research to do.

PS: Sorry my dings don't lean to your liking. :)

So what do you think about Palin's church in Wasilla getting torched?

Guess that Dominionist Stepford candidate and her crazy Dominionist church had it coming....

583 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:02:15pm

re: #555 iceweasel

Steve Gilbert from Sweetness and Light led that charge, and was humiliated by various veterans groups.

584 legalpad  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:02:27pm

re: #549 Phil.

This angry stuff has a momentum of it's own. Just drop it and discuss a topic. These people are ok. You probably are too. On the internet we can't really see the whole person and what they are really trying to say. It's all typing. I have been misunderstood several times here. Nobody really meant anything by it. If they talked to me in person, I'm sure I would charm their socks off.

585 Summer Seale  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:03:01pm

I stopped reading Conservative blogs (including Hot Air which I used to read every day) a few months ago now. It started becoming like watching the final scene of Thelma and Louise repeating itself over, and over, and over again.

At this point, I just want to know when they hit the bottom and what happens after that.

586 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:03:04pm

re: #564 Phil.

Ok let me 'splain again in a simpler manner. The horse left the fucking barn Phil. The time for protest was BEFORE congress passed the crap bills. See, this is exactly why R's are bad at protesting. Their timing is terribly f'ed up.

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it

587 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:03:14pm

"I think I need a Lear jet"!

588 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:03:16pm

re: #564 Phil.

Right now, the public doesn't understand the extent of the deficits this administration is sinking us in. We've heard too many billions this and billions that for people to even realize how big two trillion is.

The Tea Party Protesters are there to explain to the nation what's in store for us if we don't start getting our fiscal house in order.

Ok, now I understand why other Lizards are so upset with your smack. It's because you don't answer questions. You respond using some pre-canned something or other, but you don't actually answer the points of a question, such as mine.

I said the Tea Party people have not clout. I wanted to know how you think ANYTHING you do will effect anything.

Ok, you have all these people showing up at these events. What's you follow up, how do you change something, where are the LEADERS who will represent the will of the Tea Party concepts?

I'll give you one move try, tell me how you will effect change. What's the plan?

589 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:04:06pm

re: #585 Summer
BOOM! Very large crater. The End.

590 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:04:21pm

re: #564 Phil.

Right now, the public doesn't understand the extent of the deficits this administration is sinking us in. We've heard too many billions this and billions that for people to even realize how big two trillion is.

Then the people iz stoopid.

591 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:04:42pm

Racer ... where are you with the beer? ...

592 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:05:03pm

re: #590 Opilio
Dey iz stoopid.

593 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:05:03pm

The Tea Parties are a disaster. They don't accomplish jack shit. The media finds ways to mock those in attendance and make them look like fools.

But go ahead and organize more of them. The left is eating this shit up.

Tea Baggers.

594 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:05:29pm

re: #558 Thanos

The only thing I have to add to that is that the more time people spend obsessing over craziness like Obama's birth certificate, his seekrit muslim identity, and his plans to lock everyone away in FEMA camps....well, the less people will listen to true and substantive criticisms of Obama. And it will add to the time that the GOP spends in the political wilderness.

595 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:05:29pm

re: #578 NY Nana

Methinks that this is the tea party Phil would go to...the guy in the brown hat....

Featuring Robert Spencer as the Marsh Hare, Pam Geller as the Queen of Hearts, and Ron Paul as the north end of a southbound horse.

596 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:06:10pm

re: #588 Walter L. Newton

Gosh, look at my grammar, you would think I'm drunk, which, considering how sloppy I'm typing, I wish I was, at least I would have an excuse.

597 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:06:15pm

re: #587 pingjockey

"I think I need a Lear jet"!

I think I'll buy me a football team.

598 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:06:27pm

re: #564 Phil.

I would agree on this point...

I know my mom doesn't understand, I sent her the graph. Crickets, crickets....

599 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:07:07pm

re: #577 Phil.

If you haven't noticed, registrations as Independents are at an all time high and growing. People are fed up with both parties. For someone to yell, "Both parties are screwing up" actually appeals to most people right now.

Exactly why we shouldn't encourage tea parties. If you are dreaming of third party you are worse off than I thought, a third party is exactly what the Dems will need to put O back in office in 2012, why on earth would you want to help them?

600 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:07:37pm

Okay, Phil. isn't gonna step away from the computer like I hoped. But I still think he'll make it through the night, if only because Charles is asleep already.

601 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:08:10pm

re: #591 JacksonTn

Racer ... where are you with the beer? ...

Sorry .

*slides a cold one down the bar to Jackson*

*and a Sam adams down to Avanti*

602 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:08:11pm

re: #600 Last Mohican

Or watching 'The Wire'.

603 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:08:28pm

re: #588 Walter L. Newton

Ok, now I understand why other Lizards are so upset with your smack. It's because you don't answer questions. You respond using some pre-canned something or other, but you don't actually answer the points of a question, such as mine.

I said the Tea Party people have no clout. I wanted to know how you think ANYTHING you do will effect anything.

Ok, you have all these people showing up at these events. What's your follow up, how do you change something, where are the LEADERS who will represent the will of the Tea Party concepts?

I'll give you one move more try, tell me how you will effect change. What's the plan?

PIYF, Walter. Normally I wouldn't bug you about this, but three errors in on post compelled me to act. Still, your point is well made.

604 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:08:58pm

re: #591 JacksonTn

Racer ... where are you with the beer? ...

He threw my Sam Adams at me, but I dodged it :)

605 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:09:16pm

re: #572 ArchangelMichael

In most cases I mock the TP because:

1) They are, by their very nature protests, and until you start getting locked up for speaking to your representatives or voting, protests are for hippies and attention whores.

2) They consistently attract Paulestinians and those who on the surface support fiscal conservatism but come to try to win converts to their other various loony beliefs via the strategy of Entryism. Wanting to abolish the Fed because you think its a Rothschild illuminati bilderberger Joo-banker conspiracy ≠ fiscal conservatism. Wanting to switch us to the gold standard because you think it will stop out of control spending also ≠ fiscal conservatism. It's just lunacy.

re: #576 Slumbering Behemoth

As has been noted here before, the "Tea Party" protests were in full swing a year or two before Obama was elected, as a Paulbot movement.

The "loonies" started it, and it is the "kookservatives" that have been doing the recent co-opting.

Oy fucking vey. So let's go back to the beginning for a second? So what started the argument between me and several of the reasonable people (who I largely agree with here)? It was that I was noticing several people claimed to be fiscal conservatives but were snarking, mocking, and scorning Tea Party protesters or other people who were full of contempt for what this Congress and what this administration is doing to our congress. I was told I was crazy for thinking this but I started pulling quotes and proving I was right. Well, if the two quotes above are any indication, it should be pretty clear to you I was absolutely right about my original observations.

Face it, there are several keyboard warriors on this very forum who are openly contemptuous of conservative activists. In other words, sure they may not like some of what Obama is doing, but don't you dare actually express it!

We can follow these fools down to electoral meltdown since their strategy seems to revolve around mocking people from behind their keyboards or we can vociferously and apologetically start articulating what we believe in and why we think what this Congress and what this administration is doing to the country is wrong.

606 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:09:32pm

re: #600 Last Mohican

Okay, Phil. isn't gonna step away from the computer like I hoped. But I still think he'll make it through the night, if only because Charles is asleep already.

His "F" Sharmuta comment was already deleted by Charles (471 I believe) and I suspect if he get smack mouth again, Charles will block his account. My opinion.

607 NY Nana  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:09:34pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

Featuring Robert Spencer as the Marsh Hare, Pam Geller as the Queen of Hearts, and Ron Paul as the north end of a southbound horse.

Hey, who told you all that? It was supposed to be a secret..and Atlas was going to have her 4 daughters dressed in wabbit suits.

608 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:10:51pm

re: #575 ShanghaiEd

Black value system
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

609 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:11:06pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

Featuring Robert Spencer as the Marsh Hare, Pam Geller as the Queen of Hearts, and Ron Paul as the north end of a southbound horse.

If you see a unicorn, that will be yours truly.

610 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:11:48pm

re: #593 Racer X

The Tea Parties are a disaster. They don't accomplish jack shit. The media finds ways to mock those in attendance and make them look like fools.

But go ahead and organize more of them. The left is eating this shit up.

Tea Baggers.

That should have been #3 on my above post.

Things are said and done at the Tea Parties that are very easy for the MSM to intentionally take out of context to make conservatives look like fools or worse. Considering the number of Paulians and Stormfront kooks that show up from time to time, sometimes they might not even need to take things out of context.

611 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:12:00pm

re: #605 Phil.

No phil, we started off talking about a nutty article at Hot Air, then you decided that we must talk tea party.

612 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:12:14pm

re: #605 Phil.

Thing is- some of us think it's the tea parties ruining fiscal conservatism, not those of us skeptical of the tea parties.

613 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:12:30pm

re: #605 Phil.

Oy fucking vey. So let's go back to the beginning for a second? So what started the argument between me and several of the reasonable people (who I largely agree with here)? It was that I was noticing several people claimed to be fiscal conservatives but were snarking, mocking, and scorning Tea Party protesters or other people who were full of contempt for what this Congress and what this administration is doing to our congress. I was told I was crazy for thinking this but I started pulling quotes and proving I was right. Well, if the two quotes above are any indication, it should be pretty clear to you I was absolutely right about my original observations.

Face it, there are several keyboard warriors on this very forum who are openly contemptuous of conservative activists. In other words, sure they may not like some of what Obama is doing, but don't you dare actually express it!

We can follow these fools down to electoral meltdown since their strategy seems to revolve around mocking people from behind their keyboards or we can vociferously and apologetically start articulating what we believe in and why we think what this Congress and what this administration is doing to the country is wrong.

Right, bingo, you got it. Just because one is a fiscal conservative, there is NO reason one has to give ANY note to the Tea Party events or movement.

IMHO, there is too much trash hanging their hats on the Tea Parties, and I'd rather not associate with any group that allows that kind of slime in.

Period.

614 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:12:34pm

re: #577 Phil.

"If you haven't noticed, registrations as Independents are at an all time high and growing."...A Glen Beck talking point, straight up.

615 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:12:36pm

re: #608 pingjockey

Black value system
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

NAW NAW NAW......GAWD DAAAIM AMERI-KUH!

If the man who said that is Wright, I can live with being Wrong.

616 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:13:14pm

re: #575 ShanghaiEd

I'd like to read it. Where did you find it? Surely it's preserved somewhere, if it was that bad.

Well, you might find it on their website (indirect link to Google cache).

Now he's out helping us all avoid "middleclassness"...

617 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:13:59pm

re: #599 Thanos

Exactly why we shouldn't encourage tea parties. If you are dreaming of third party you are worse off than I thought, a third party is exactly what the Dems will need to put O back in office in 2012, why on earth would you want to help them?

People are going to have to choose...one way or the other. Hopefully in 2012, if the country isn't too fucked up by then...to vote БХО OUT.

618 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:14:00pm

re: #609 avanti

If you see a unicorn, that will be yours truly.

If you start farting rainbows I'm going to downding your ass.

619 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:14:51pm

re: #609 avanti

Is the white knight talking backwards? If u did drugs in the 60's (I wasn't born yet), you will know what I am talking about...

620 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:14:59pm

Well well, it appears I've definitely proven my point. It appears that a good solid number of people are openly contemptuous of conservative activists.

Best of luck on your electoral success Keyboard Warriors.

621 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:15:10pm

re: #568 JacksonTn

ShanghaiEd .... I know about her church and not just the speaking in tongues part ... the media? ... lol ... yeah, that's a friggin joke ... they tore her apart ... what in the hell did they do to Obama? ... they were the under the desk b*tch for him the whole time and you know it ... so he is president now ... what does he have to lose by answering a question or two about things people really wanted to know ...

We will just have to disagree on loving Obama ...

Let's call it a draw for tonight, Jackson. I'll hug up to Obama if you'll hug up to the Dominionists and Reconstructionists. Deal?

622 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:15:12pm

re: #574 pink freud

Another fun fact, at least according to Spiegel:

"Payne told Spiegel that he was shocked to see his war experience, especially his "liberation" of a concentration camp, used in campaign commercials. He said he had never spoken with his nephew about the matter, nor did Obama ever express any interest in Payne's experience.

“I was quite surprised when the whole thing came up and Barack talked about my war experiences in Nazi Germany,” Payne said. “We had never talked about that before.”

Payne doesn’t know where Obama came up with the fictitious Auschwitz connection. "

/I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the MSM to say a word about it.

Oh, that wasn't the controversy I mean-- there were fringe people trying to assert that the greatuncle himself didn't exist.

I don't mean to drag up or discuss this issue that you raise, really-- as it happens, Obama's great uncle helped liberate one of the camps at Buchwald, not Auschwitz, as Obama had said.

I was referring to the fringe element that went wacko over this and tried to make it something it wasn't. This link is pretty funny--it's about the furry who was sending harassing emails.
[Link: www.sadlyno.com...]

623 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:15:20pm

Time for me to get some sleeps now, see you all on the morrow.

Buckethead

Youtube Video
624 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:15:23pm

LOL!

625 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:15:51pm

Phil Wins!

626 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:15:59pm

re: #611 Thanos

No phil, we started off talking about a nutty article at Hot Air, then you decided that we must talk tea party.

Think I should bring up the primary web meeting place for the next Tea Parties? That being the paleo American Family Association through their site teapartyday dot com. Sure, it's "only" about fiscal issues.

627 pink freud  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:15:59pm

Another interesting fact:

The wayback machine has been scrubbed clean of ANY web content for TUCC.org back to April 2003. The entire vitriolic black theology references have been removed.

Please let me know if any of you are able to access anything from that point forward.

Wayback machine TUCC.org archive.

628 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:16:07pm

*ambles in*

Evening everybody.

629 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:16:09pm

I can't believe I stayed up to read this dopey argument.

630 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:16:25pm

re: #625 Bloodnok

Phil Wins!

I didn't see the CAPS LOCK bold, though.

631 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:16:53pm

re: #625 Bloodnok

Phil Wins!

Hip hip!

/ Hooray!

632 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:17:07pm

re: #620 Phil.

U giving up? Come on, weak...

633 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:17:12pm

re: #583 MrPaulRevere

Steve Gilbert from Sweetness and Light led that charge, and was humiliated by various veterans groups.

Yes, that's what I was talking about. More and a funny link @ my 622

634 pink freud  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:17:33pm

re: #575 ShanghaiEd

I'd like to read it. Where did you find it? Surely it's preserved somewhere, if it was that bad.

[Link: web.archive.org...]

635 Randall Gross  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:17:33pm

re: #620 Phil.

Well well, it appears I've definitely proven my point. It appears that a good solid number of people are openly contemptuous of conservative activists.

Best of luck on your electoral success Keyboard Warriors.

Bullshit Phil, don't let that martyr cloak choke you dude.

636 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:17:46pm

re: #582 Fenway_Nation

So what do you think about Palin's church in Wasilla getting torched?

Guess that Dominionist Stepford candidate and her crazy Dominionist church had it coming....

No, thanks. I don't do crazy talk. I'll leave that to the experts.

637 wee fury  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:17:54pm

Philwithadot
This is for you:

Youtube Video
638 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:18:06pm

re: #614 MrPaulRevere

"If you haven't noticed, registrations as Independents are at an all time high and growing."...A Glen Beck talking point, straight up.

Yeah, it's just one Giant Conspiracy!

"Independent Voters Are Conflicted, Centrist And At a 70 Year High"
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

639 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:18:44pm

re: #630 Sharmuta

I didn't see the CAPS LOCK bold, though.

Good luck on your electoral success, though. I thought that point needed stressing for the 23rd time this thread.

/last night it was "circular firing squad"

640 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:18:54pm

re: #620 Phil.

Love the "keyboard warriors" thing, I am laughing in my chorts right now, laughing so loud...

641 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:18:59pm

re: #605 Phil.

Walter's right. You don't answer questions directed at you, you just respond with song and dance. Side step, tap dance. Further, you quote comments without addressing them. You seem to have a some kind of ADD.

We can follow these fools down to electoral meltdown since their strategy seems to revolve around mocking people from behind their keyboards or we can vociferously and apologetically start articulating what we believe in and why we think what this Congress and what this administration is doing to the country is wrong.



Mocking People From Behind Keyboards

Less politically effective than playing dress-up, waving hand written signs, and hanging effigies since 2009.

Be proud of yourself. You put on a tricorne hat, grabbed a hand written sign, and went to a park. Way to stick it to The Man.

642 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:19:05pm

There's a difference between contempt and lacking regard.

643 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:19:09pm

re: #620 Phil.

Well well, it appears I've definitely proven my point. It appears that a good solid number of people are openly contemptuous of conservative activists.

Best of luck on your electoral success Keyboard Warriors.

Phil, I have been here an hour now, and you have not answer a single question, or responded to a single comment on the Tea Party subject.

What you have spent the last hour doing is talking to yourself about the topic of the Tea Parties.

You must be lonely.

644 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:19:26pm

re: #608 pingjockey

Black value system
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks, Ping! Very informative.

645 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:19:36pm

re: #622 iceweasel

Buchwald

Oy vey is mir. Sorry, I'm tired. Buchenwald, obviously.

646 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:19:44pm

2218pm, 1 bottle of 2 Buck Chuck history, time for some:

Primus

647 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:19:49pm

re: #628 Noam Sayin'

Noam!

648 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:20:19pm

Primus sucks!

649 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:20:52pm

re: #629 jaunte

I can't believe I stayed up to read this dopey argument.

But you've gotta admit, the souvenir T-shirt is nice. You didn't get yours? :)

650 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:21:05pm

re: #648 Sharmuta

Primus sucks!

sucking doesn't always suck

651 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:21:21pm

Independents are liberal.

At the same time, it found that independents are "much closer" to Democrats than Republicans on values issues such as race, gay rights, religion and national security. Kohut calls them "conflicted centrists."


[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

652 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:21:25pm

re: #620 Phil.

Well well, it appears I've definitely proven my point. It appears that a good solid number of people are openly contemptuous of conservative activists.

Best of luck on your electoral success Keyboard Warriors.

Because they are NOT "Conservative Activists". They are KOOKS or frustrated and ill-informed non-kooks being led around by KOOKS who are making us look really bad. The democrats don't have to do anything to win again in 2010 and 2012, except for let us step on our own cranks. That is exactly what is happening with the Tea Parties and the various hyperventilating over nothing that Charles posts about on a daily basis.

Looking like a fucking unhinged maniac is not going to stop the slide to socialism.

653 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:21:26pm

re: #619 eddiespaghetti

Is the white knight talking backwards? If u did drugs in the 60's (I wasn't born yet), you will know what I am talking about...

Once asked for a $25 bag of grass in Jamaica in the 60's. Every seen the movie with the guy with a trash bag full ? Taught me the different price structure. :)

654 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:21:42pm

re: #650 Desert Dog

It separates the real Primus fans from the chaff.

655 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:21:56pm

re: #634 pink freud

Thanks, Pink!

656 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:21:56pm

re: #620 Phil.

Oh fer cryin' out loud. I am a conservative activist you boob! I volunteer at the local level, do phone banks, go to the local repub convention. Get a grip. The Tea Parties have been (a lot of them) have been taken over by Paulians, neonazi shitheads and other unsavory types. AND the msm eats it up. Using it as a braod brush to smear ALL conservatives.

657 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:22:01pm

re: #620 Phil.

Well well, it appears I've definitely proven my point. It appears that a good solid number of people are openly contemptuous of conservative activists.

Best of luck on your electoral success Keyboard Warriors.

I have a parrot, Maisey the Parrot, who would have a grand time conversing with you.

Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.

Maisey: (takes a shit) What?

658 pink freud  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:22:08pm

Howdy Noam!

659 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:22:10pm

re: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

Walter's right. You don't answer questions directed at you, you just respond with song and dance. Side step, tap dance. Further, you quote comments without addressing them. You seem to have a some kind of ADD.



Mocking People From Behind Keyboards

Less politically effective than playing dress-up, waving hand written signs, and hanging effigies since 2009.

Be proud of yourself. You put on a tricorne hat, grabbed a hand written sign, and went to a park. Way to stick it to The Man.

SB. Phil won. He said so.

/

660 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:22:13pm

re: #648 Sharmuta

Yet Eminem doesn't....

661 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:22:33pm

re: #649 ShanghaiEd

But you've gotta admit, the souvenir T-shirt is nice. You didn't get yours? :)

I didn't get mine either. Who should I ask? There's gotta be someone around here who has a business selling tea party T-shirts.

662 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:22:40pm

re: #651 jaunte

Independents are liberal.


[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Both parties are polarizing. The middle has no place to go. To the loonies on the left or the crazy nutjobs on the right.....NEITHER is becoming the choice of more and more people

663 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:23:35pm

re: #620 Phil.

Well well, it appears I've definitely proven my point. It appears that a good solid number of people are openly contemptuous of conservative activists.

Best of luck on your electoral success Keyboard Warriors.

What is conservative about playing dress-up, waving about signs, hanging American politicians in effigy, and denying or ignoring the Paulbot and Stormfront element within such?

Not conservative, just the mirror of kookiness from leftists. Reactionary, not conservative.

664 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:23:42pm

re: #654 Sharmuta

It separates the real Primus fans from the chaff.

Les Claypool is the finest electric bassist I've ever had the pleasure to witness....that's all I can add to that debate

665 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:23:48pm

re: #606 Walter L. Newton

His "F" Sharmuta comment was already deleted by Charles (471 I believe) and I suspect if he get smack mouth again, Charles will block his account. My opinion.

That sort of surprises me. F-bombs get dropped around here every day. I'm not endorsing the practice -- in fact I think it reflects poorly on those who consistenly use such language. But I don't remember many deletions based on vulgar language.

666 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:23:56pm

re: #593 Racer X

The Tea Parties are a disaster. They don't accomplish jack shit. The media finds ways to mock those in attendance and make them look like fools.

But go ahead and organize more of them. The left is eating this shit up.

Tea Baggers.

Very true. And people think that mailing teabags to congress is somehow effective political action.

667 Noam Sayin'  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:24:01pm

Hiya, pink, Racer...

668 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:24:01pm

re: #638 Phil.

Yeah, it's just one Giant Conspiracy!

"Independent Voters Are Conflicted, Centrist And At a 70 Year High"
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Ah, there's the word in bold. Now Phil has vanquished the rest of us morons (in his imagination).

669 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:24:05pm

re: #662 Desert Dog

Both parties are polarizing. The middle has no place to go. To the loonies on the left or the crazy nutjobs on the right.....NEITHER is becoming the choice of more and more people

And this is a bad trend for both parties. We need normal people to get involved and run for offices.

670 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:24:35pm

re: #664 Desert Dog

Les Claypool is the finest electric bassist I've ever had the pleasure to witness....that's all I can add to that debate

One of the best show I ever attended. Les is The Man.

671 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:24:37pm

re: #644 ShanghaiEd
You are welcome. Now substitute white for black and see what sort of uproar entails.

672 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:24:51pm

re: #653 avanti

Indeed, capitalism is a great thing. A dime bag in NY is a trash bag in Jamaica, it appears!

673 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:25:07pm

Ok all. For those who I annoy, good news. I'm going to bed. Tomorrow is closing for our current show, and we have an early performance, 2:00 pm and then I have a strike and build tomorrow evening. Next show opens in two weeks. Crossover is always really busy.

So, to bed, to sleep, perchance to wake up later.

674 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:25:08pm

Wouldn't it be better for those on the right to take the high road in respect to protesting the current administrations policies? Do we have to out-crazy the left to make a point?

675 brandon13  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:25:09pm

OT: Fox News re: #660 Fenway_Nation

Yet Eminem doesn't....

He used to not. Now he's horrible.

676 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:25:41pm

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

I have a parrot, Maisey the Parrot, who would have a grand time conversing with you.

Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.
Maisey : What?
Phil: I've definitely proven my point.

Maisey: (takes a shit) What?

LMAO!

677 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:25:50pm

re: #665 Opilio

He told me to give him a link or go fuck myself. It wasn't called for.

678 NY Nana  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:26:09pm

re: #618 Dark_Falcon

If you start farting rainbows I'm going to downding your ass.

Damn, I wanted to stay here and watch!

I am too tired to see straight, alas, and am making my first try to say g'nite, all, sweet dreams!

Hello, I must be going!

Youtube Video
679 Occasional Reader  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:26:11pm

Hi!

I saw the Star Trek movie.

I liked it (with some complaints).

What else is up?

680 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:26:12pm

re: #646 Desert Dog

2218pm, 1 bottle of 2 Buck Chuck history, time for some:

Primus

Nice.

Primus sucks.

681 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:26:49pm
682 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:27:12pm

re: #626 Gus 802

Think I should bring up the primary web meeting place for the next Tea Parties? That being the paleo American Family Association through their site teapartyday dot com. Sure, it's "only" about fiscal issues.

The teaparty movement is a breeding ground for all kinds of crazy.

683 Dar ul Harb  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:27:43pm

Goodnight, y'all.

684 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:28:16pm

re: #681 Phil.

I'm heading to bed. Good night Lizards, if there's any of you still left.

Nope, no lizards. Nobody here but us RINOs.

685 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:28:18pm

re: #680 Racer X

Nice.

Primus sucks.

WBBB

686 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:28:20pm

re: #669 Sharmuta

And this is a bad trend for both parties. We need normal people to get involved and run for offices.

Exactly. This is why everyone is telling you to run!

687 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:28:27pm

re: #674 Racer X

Wouldn't it be better for those on the right to take the high road in respect to protesting the current administrations policies? Do we have to out-crazy the left to make a point?

I would like to see something more like a solution/proposal to the problem. An agenda I can support besides just saying I don't like all this spending. What are we going to do to stop it? I've repeatedly said we should propose the balanced budget amendment again. It gave us Congressional majorities in the 90s, and I think it would do so again.

688 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:28:30pm

re: #681 Phil.

I think this one qualifies as a parting screed. Charles, can you ban him now?

689 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:28:41pm

re: #673 Walter L. Newton

Intriguing, I have know idea what u r talking about...

Expound for the noob, please...

690 srb1976  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:28:54pm

Evening folks, taking a short, much needed break from scrubbing grout with a toothbrush (really)..... I see that the call for sanity was short lived!

Hope everyone is well

691 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:28:56pm

re: #665 Opilio

That sort of surprises me. F-bombs get dropped around here every day. I'm not endorsing the practice -- in fact I think it reflects poorly on those who consistenly use such language. But I don't remember many deletions based on vulgar language.

F-bombs happen but generally they are not directed at someone like that as in "oh yeah well f you soandso!". I'm not going to lose sleep over those kind of posts being deleted.

692 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:29:09pm

re: #620 Phil.

Well well, it appears I've definitely proven my point. It appears that a good solid number of people are openly contemptuous of conservative activists.

Best of luck on your electoral success Keyboard Warriors.

Martyr cookies?

693 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:29:14pm

re: #684 Last Mohican

Nope, no lizards. Nobody here but us RINOs.

*CHARGES*

694 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:29:35pm

re: #682 iceweasel

The teaparty movement is a breeding ground for all kinds of crazy.

All this talk about getting independents (who lean Democrat) and at the same time the tea party movements is co-opting themselves with groups like the American Family Association. The AFA is the antithesis of independent voter demographics.

695 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:29:36pm

re: #684 Last Mohican
Speak for yourself. I am reliably informed I am an ogre.

696 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:30:02pm

re: #681 Phil.

/flounce flounce...

697 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:30:04pm

re: #677 Sharmuta

He had a massive chip on his shoulder. I'm not sure why, nor do I care. Thanos's takedown was masterful.

698 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:30:16pm

re: #681 Phil.

Only lonely in the sense of shock at what the great LGF has become. I never posted here too often, but have been here since 2001. I never thought I'd see the day where conservative activists were openly mocked and scorned on LGF by a majority of the posters. But sure enough, that is what just transpired here.

I guess that's why I don't bother posting here much anymore. The Keyboard Warriors have taken over, and shitting their pants because Obama has high approval ratings! (OMG!) Guess what, George Bush had 90 percent approval ratings at a later point in his administration, how did that work out for him again? Did the Left play nice and show nothing but respect to him? No they stated what they believed and they didn't apologize for it. But if I do that or support people who do, that's apparently worthy of scorn and mockery on LGF now.

I'm heading to bed. Good night Lizards, if there's any of you still left.

See, I fooled Phil, he thought I was going to bed. Guess what Phil. We'll still be here tomorrow. I don't want to burst your little ego-bubble, but we've gotten along without your input in the past, and we will two minutes from now, 2 years from now.

You'll still be talking to yourself.

699 NY Nana  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:30:27pm

re: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

Please do not confuse him with facts.

/And no one quote him in your posts. Winky, winky, nudge, nudge!

Youtube Video
700 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:30:51pm

re: #692 Floral Giraffe

Martyr cookies?

Hopefully, he gets those in Chocolate Chip. I hear they use White Chocolate to give extra purity to the Martyr Cookie.

701 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:31:00pm

re: #695 pingjockey

Speak for yourself. I am reliably informed I am an ogre.

Personally, I'm shocked, and feel a great sense of victimization.

702 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:31:13pm

Wow, he proved me wrong with a last-minute flounce-off.

703 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:31:32pm

re: #665 Opilio

That sort of surprises me. F-bombs get dropped around here every day. I'm not endorsing the practice -- in fact I think it reflects poorly on those who consistenly use such language. But I don't remember many deletions based on vulgar language.

I think anyone who tells someone to f-off or to go f themselves is out of line, though. Actually, it's an admission that they don't have an argument.

704 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:31:43pm

re: #681 Phil.

Why do you keep saying "keyboard warriors"? Everyone here only posts on this blog, nothing else, quite a sweeping accusation, if I do say so myself. What I am telling u is that you are full of shit when you make swipes like that. Suck it.

705 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:31:49pm

re: #651 jaunte

Independents are liberal.


[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Interesting. So how can we be a center-right country, if the middle is on the left?

706 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:31:56pm

re: #671 pingjockey

Now substitute white for black and see what sort of uproar en tails sues.

sorry. couldn't stop myself.

707 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:32:07pm

re: #672 eddiespaghetti

Indeed, capitalism is a great thing. A dime bag in NY is a trash bag in Jamaica, it appears!

It was a better deal in Haiti, I think the median income was about $600 a year and a dime bag would require a pickup truck. When we anchored out, you could take the liberty boat back, or for $5.00 get rowed out by a Haitian, while his female assistant would "service" you. I took the free liberty boat rather then the STD boat.

708 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:32:37pm

re: #703 iceweasel

I think anyone who tells someone to f-off or to go f themselves is out of line, though. Actually, it's an admission that they don't have an argument.

It was his way of continuing to avoid answering my question.

709 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:32:42pm

re: #690 srb1976

Evening folks, taking a short, much needed break from scrubbing grout with a toothbrush (really)..... I see that the call for sanity was short lived!

Hope everyone is well

X-14 works the best.

710 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:32:54pm

re: #673 Walter L. Newton

Ok all. For those who I annoy, good news. I'm going to bed. Tomorrow is closing for our current show, and we have an early performance, 2:00 pm and then I have a strike and build tomorrow evening. Next show opens in two weeks. Crossover is always really busy.

So, to bed, to sleep, perchance to wake up later.

Night Walter, stay well.

711 TheQuis  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:32:58pm

re: #136 Last Mohican

There is a ton of false equivalancey. I may not agree with Rev. Wright's Church or his teachings. BUT there is no history of his church ever going out and murdering and intimidating members of other races. To keep comparing groups like La Raza and Trinity church to the KKK makes you sound shrill.

Now if they we're talking about equivalency you would have to look to The Black Gangster Disciples, The Crips, The Latin Kings, The Bloods, or the El Rukens. These are groups with that contain the rhetoric of the KKK and back it up with the violence of that group. There is no link of Obama to any group like this.

712 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:32:59pm

How many here are actively involved in the political campaign of someone they want to see elected to office?

713 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:33:21pm

re: #698 Walter L. Newton

Aha! The ol' "pretending to go to sleep in order to elicit the final flounce-off" maneuver!

A true classic, expertly played.

714 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:33:24pm

re: #681 Phil.

Narcissus the idiotarian has left the building.

715 Walter L. Newton  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:33:32pm

re: #689 eddiespaghetti

Intriguing, I have know idea what u r talking about...

Expound for the noob, please...

Quickly, I'm really going to bed. I work in live theatre. We close a show tomorrow afternoon, tomorrow early evening we take the set down, and put up another set up and tech rehearsal for our next show starts Monday. Next Saturday we have a concert, and Friday June 12th, we open our next show, it runs for 6 weeks, repeat rinse, 7 shows a year.

716 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:33:51pm

re: #661 Last Mohican

I didn't get mine either. Who should I ask? There's gotta be someone around here who has a business selling tea party T-shirts.

Beats me. Mine came through the mail slot. I don't ask questions. :)

717 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:34:04pm

re: #703 iceweasel

I think anyone who tells someone to f-off or to go f themselves is out of line, though. Actually, it's an admission that they don't have an argument.

I tend to ignore posts that start off with "you Commie bastard" too.

718 srb1976  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:34:04pm

re: #709 Racer X

X-14 works the best.

Fantastic is doing quite nicely.....long overdue job!

719 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:34:05pm

re: #704 eddiespaghetti

Why do you keep saying "keyboard warriors"? Everyone here only posts on this blog, nothing else, quite a sweeping accusation, if I do say so myself. What I am telling u is that you are full of shit when you make swipes like that. Suck it.

Keyboard Warrior. Ohhh! Keyboard wars not make one great!

/Yoda.

720 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:34:07pm

re: #651 jaunte

Independents are liberal.


[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Everyone I know who claims to be "independent" is a 100% loony leftist, they just don't pay attention to politics on a daily basis or post at blogs or forums like the ones that don't claim to be independent.

721 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:34:29pm

re: #707 avanti

Ah, the days before mando drug testing. Better now, but envious indeed!

722 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:34:38pm

re: #706 Opilio
S'alright. I don't mind lizards correcting my fubars. Gues Phildot didn't read my post about working at the LOCAL level. The tea parties have turned into circuses for the msm to cherry pick really good9for them) nutbar quotes and insinuate this is a mainstream conservative thought.

723 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:35:01pm

re: #712 IslandLibertarian

How many here are actively involved in the political campaign of someone they want to see elected to office?

Not many elections happening right now. I will be active next year.....
Gotta get more Republicans in the Congress......

Too bad Mr. Gerry Mander has visited most of the districts around the USA though.

724 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:35:02pm

re: #690 srb1976

Evening folks, taking a short, much needed break from scrubbing grout with a toothbrush (really)..... I see that the call for sanity was short lived!

Hope everyone is well

Hey there srb1976. I've done the grout-scrubbing with a toothbrush in the past. It really works.
Now I'm too damn lazy. Good for you!

725 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:35:04pm

re: #712 IslandLibertarian

How many here are actively involved in the political campaign of someone they want to see elected to office?

I refuse to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate me.

726 JacksonTn  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:35:08pm

re: #712 IslandLibertarian

How many here are actively involved in the political campaign of someone they want to see elected to office?

IL ... I have always been politically active at the street level ... but at this time ... I honestly cannot find anyone that I can support ... I am still looking ... I will actively campaign against my congressman if he runs for governor and any other office he ever runs for in my area ...

727 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:35:22pm

re: #715 Walter L. Newton

Break a leg, I think they say. Or in my parlance, "good luck"!

728 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:35:25pm

re: #705 ShanghaiEd

It's hard to know from opinion polls what people really think.
I believe most people who aren't in real trouble would like the government to keep out of their business, but don't want other people to fail in their lives, and aren't averse to helping them a bit. That's sort of a middle-of-the-bellcurve position.

729 realwest  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:35:26pm

re: #620 Phil.
Ah geez Phil. First of all lots of folks have been openly contemptuous of conservative activists. It doesn't make the MSM much because there hasn't been much conservative activism "in the street" so to speak.
I know I'm sorta swimming against SOME of the folks out here when I suggest that the Tea Parties are a genuine exhibition of "everyday, ordinary Americans" who are fed up with the fiscal irresponsibility of both Democrats and Republicans (at least based on the signs and speeches made at 8 of the 32 Tea Parties here in N.C. from which I received first person accounts from other N.C. Lizards and non-lizards alike). And probably more people disagree with me that although the Neo-Nazi's and Paulians (Paulistas?) would LOVE to be able to claim that they organized them, they didn't. They DID try to take credit for organizing them (or at least some of them) and the Neo-Nazi's certainly tried to gain new recruits at some of the Tea Parties, but the majority of folks I've spoken too - the OVERWHELMING majority of folks I've spoken to, have said that the Tea Parties were more locally organized and disparate in their make up. People are just FED UP with what they perceive (and so do I) with out of control spending by both the Federal Government and by the State and local governments.
And I'm a "Keyboard Warrior" only where the Tea Parties are concerned because I'm pretty nearly immobile these days. But I was a "warrior" as in combat infantry in Vietnam, and if you'd really like to "discuss" this bullshit Keyboard Warriors in person, I think I can arrange it.
My nics in blue so you can e-mail me anytime.

730 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:35:51pm

re: #722 pingjockey

S'alright. I don't mind lizards correcting my fubars. Gues Phildot didn't read my post about working at the LOCAL level. The tea parties have turned into circuses for the msm to cherry pick really good9for them) nutbar quotes and insinuate this is a mainstream conservative thought.

If you want to change a political party...join it....and be active in it...

731 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:36:20pm

re: #701 jaunte
That is according to my 3 boys! They tried to whup dads but the other day and I took out all three of them, 17, 15, 9. The 9 year old was calling me Shrek.

732 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:36:51pm

re: #708 Sharmuta

Does "suck it" count?

733 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:36:55pm

It's time for me to go to bed. I've got to finish meeting my quotas tomorrow, or I might by out on my backside. Wish me luck!

734 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:37:32pm

re: #733 Dark_Falcon

It's time for me to go to bed. I've got to finish meeting my quotas tomorrow, or I might by out on my backside. Wish me luck!

Kick ass tomorrow!

735 srb1976  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:37:40pm

re: #724 iceweasel

Hey there srb1976. I've done the grout-scrubbing with a toothbrush in the past. It really works.
Now I'm too damn lazy. Good for you!

ordinarily I am also too damn lazy, but better half is having his birthday this coming weekend, people are coming over, and I am trying to make the place look like you don't need a tetanus shot to visit = )

Hopefully the 2 wrecking balls disguised as children won't spill too much on it between now and then = )

736 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:37:51pm

re: #662 Desert Dog

Both parties are polarizing. The middle has no place to go. To the loonies on the left or the crazy nutjobs on the right.....NEITHER is becoming the choice of more and more people

Like the man said, 'Don't vote. It only encourages the bastards.'

I'd like to think that voters would become less party-oriented and more America-oriented. That ain't gonna happen. We are swiftly becoming a Balkanized country, split among racial, sexual, religious and ever-more-esoteric groupings.

Judge someone on the content of their character? How dare you come around here with your outdated gobbledygook. Who do you know? That's the important thing.

The upshot? Well, we go out with a whimper, not a bang. But once that magic number is reached, once enough people notice that they're not going to get those debts paid off, ever, it's going to get real interesting. A nation that borrows fifty cents of every dollar that they spend is not a nation to bet on for the long haul.

737 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:38:33pm

re: #708 Sharmuta

I bet Phil is a big hit over on Beck's '9-12' forum.

738 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:38:46pm

re: #712 IslandLibertarian

How many here are actively involved in the political campaign of someone they want to see elected to office?

My congressman voted against every stimulus package and bailout. Even the ones Bush was pushing. I support him staying in office because of that. I'm too broke to give him any money other than the change in my pocket at the moment for 2010. If that's different next year, then I will.

The only other elections I'm concerned with and may get "involved" in a campaign are the County Sherriff elections (a few potential candidates are vocalizing support of making the county a shall-issue county for CCW permits, which I support) and the next Presidential election. Both of which are in 2012 so it's a little early for that.

739 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:39:06pm

re: #677 Sharmuta

I had a semi-sexist remark prepared for this (meant in jest, of course), but I think I'll take the high road this time.

/Aw, don't look that surprised...

740 legalpad  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:39:19pm

re: #620 Phil.

Well well, it appears I've definitely proven my point. It appears that a good solid number of people are openly contemptuous of conservative activists.

That was your point?

741 srb1976  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:39:46pm

re: #733 Dark_Falcon

It's time for me to go to bed. I've got to finish meeting my quotas tomorrow, or I might by out on my backside. Wish me luck!

Best of Luck!

742 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:39:54pm

re: #725 avanti

Avanti, I've been rude to you in past. I'd like to apologize to you. I may not agree with you on politics but you seem like a decent person, and did not deserve my rudeness. Sorry.

743 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:40:08pm

For Phil.

Youtube Video
744 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:40:10pm

re: #729 realwest
WTF are you doing up at this hour? :)

745 NY Nana  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:40:11pm

re: #733 Dark_Falcon

Best of luck!

746 haakondahl  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:40:21pm
Can we please stop hyperventilating now?

That's us--the deep breathers.

747 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:40:29pm

I loved how he changed it from "fiscal conservative" to "conservative activist". lol

748 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:41:05pm

re: #694 Gus 802

All this talk about getting independents (who lean Democrat) and at the same time the tea party movements is co-opting themselves with groups like the American Family Association. The AFA is the antithesis of independent voter demographics.

So true. That's why the left loves this. It's not just the snark factor of making fun of the word teabagging, or of people wearing teabags on their heads...it's because the teaparty movement does nothing but drive independents and moderates further to the left.

Although you do have to admit, the idea that a movement would willingly name themselves after a euphemism for a sexual act....the amount of cluelessness involved from the very beginning is astonishing.

749 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:41:45pm

Sharm finally got Phil to come out of the closet. Good job.

Phil was dancing around the issue and stuck on stupid.

750 realwest  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:41:51pm

re: #662 Desert Dog

Both parties are polarizing. The middle has no place to go. To the loonies on the left or the crazy nutjobs on the right.....NEITHER is becoming the choice of more and more people


Spot on comment. But if, and I said IF the economy continues to wane and especially if unemployment and underemploment continue to grow, when those new taxes (or if you prefer the Bush Tax cuts lapse and then the new taxes, license fees and the like kick in) I think more of the middle will be drawn to the Right - not the Extreme Right, but the Right, largely based on history - historically people associate the Republican Party (not withstanding Bush who was fighting two wars and the aftereffects of Katrina and Gustav) with being more "tight fisted" with money and that is going to count BIG.

751 Last Mohican  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:42:10pm

re: #711 TheQuis

There is a ton of false equivalancey. I may not agree with Rev. Wright's Church or his teachings. BUT there is no history of his church ever going out and murdering and intimidating members of other races. To keep comparing groups like La Raza and Trinity church to the KKK makes you sound shrill.

Now if they we're talking about equivalency you would have to look to The Black Gangster Disciples, The Crips, The Latin Kings, The Bloods, or the El Rukens. These are groups with that contain the rhetoric of the KKK and back it up with the violence of that group. There is no link of Obama to any group like this.

I acknowledge your criticism and agree. My analogy to the KKK was overly hasty, and I didn't mean to imply that TUCC shares all of the attributes that would make membership in the KKK a death knell for the career of a Republican politician. TUCC is a racist hate group that advocates on behalf of other racist groups that are violent, including Hamas and the Nation of Islam. But as far as I know, TUCC has not organized acts of violence, like the KKK has.

752 ShanghaiEd  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:42:12pm

re: #687 Sharmuta

I would like to see something more like a solution/proposal to the problem. An agenda I can support besides just saying I don't like all this spending. What are we going to do to stop it? I've repeatedly said we should propose the balanced budget amendment again. It gave us Congressional majorities in the 90s, and I think it would do so again.

Excellent point.

GOP, 2000-2008: "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."

GOP, 2009: "Ohmigod! Look at the DEFICIT!"

753 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:42:56pm

{Sleepy B}

754 MrPaulRevere  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:43:28pm

re: #747 Sharmuta

It was basically one massive non-sequitar, i.e. fiscal conservative = tea party attendee.

755 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:43:34pm

re: #736 razorbacker

Like the man said, 'Don't vote. It only encourages the bastards.'

I'd like to think that voters would become less party-oriented and more America-oriented. That ain't gonna happen. We are swiftly becoming a Balkanized country, split among racial, sexual, religious and ever-more-esoteric groupings.

Judge someone on the content of their character? How dare you come around here with your outdated gobbledygook. Who do you know? That's the important thing.

The upshot? Well, we go out with a whimper, not a bang. But once that magic number is reached, once enough people notice that they're not going to get those debts paid off, ever, it's going to get real interesting. A nation that borrows fifty cents of every dollar that they spend is not a nation to bet on for the long haul.

I get frustrated sometimes, working within the Republican party set up. I am not very religious, abortion seems like a personal decision to me, gay people do not bother me, etc, etc......But, my main passions are smaller government, less government intrusion into my life and a strong sense of what is right and what is wrong. It is those beliefs that keep me in the Republicans...the Democrats cannot win my vote or passion with their current beliefs.

756 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:43:43pm

re: #726 JacksonTn

Have you attended a strategy meeting at your parties local headquarters?
"0" started running for pres before 2004.(probably long before that.)

757 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:44:39pm

re: #752 ShanghaiEd
I agree, with one exception, a 500 billion dollar deficeit is going to look damn inviting when we see this hole we are going to be in.
You are correct about the GOP and the caterwauling though.

758 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:44:42pm

re: #754 MrPaulRevere

It was basically one massive non-sequitar, i.e. fiscal conservative = tea party attendee.

It's hard to really engage a discussion when the main point is "I don't like the way some people are talking about me."

759 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:45:01pm

re: #750 realwest

I agree, there will be a price to pay for Obama's daring.....his plans will not work the way he thinks they will.

760 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:45:41pm

re: #747 Sharmuta

I loved how he changed it from "fiscal conservative" to "conservative activist". lol


Give him time and he'll be calling himself a conservative community organizer.

761 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:46:09pm

re: #742 Racer X

Avanti, I've been rude to you in past. I'd like to apologize to you. I may not agree with you on politics but you seem like a decent person, and did not deserve my rudeness. Sorry.

Look, we all love the same damn country, and I'd expect anyone to get a little passionate now and then, so it's no harm no foul. I've popped off on occasion too. Now here's a cold one to show there's no hard feelings. Crap, that was my last beer.:)

762 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:46:13pm

re: #760 Fenway_Nation

Give him time and he'll be calling himself a conservative community organizer.

He might still do it tonight. Still logged in.

763 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:46:30pm

re: #748 iceweasel

So true. That's why the left loves this. It's not just the snark factor of making fun of the word teabagging, or of people wearing teabags on their heads...it's because the teaparty movement does nothing but drive independents and moderates further to the left.

Although you do have to admit, the idea that a movement would willingly name themselves after a euphemism for a sexual act....the amount of cluelessness involved from the very beginning is astonishing.

At fist I was somewhat supportive of the idea. Over time after seeing the various unscrupulous associations and hijacking of the movement by various extremist groups I've since silenced my support. The addition of the AFA seals the deal in my loss of support since they represent a so-con ideology of which I have no interest. The AFA as they say is the type that exclaims "out of the boardroom" yet really want to "go into the bedroom."

I didn't know about the sexual connotations of tea-bagging until it was brought up after the previous events in the news media.

764 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:46:39pm

re: #674 Racer X

Wouldn't it be better for those on the right to take the high road in respect to protesting the current administrations policies? Do we have to out-crazy the left to make a point?

What are you, some kind of nut? It sounds like you're promoting reason and logic and sensible stuff!

765 pingjockey  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:46:43pm

Good Night fellow lizards. See y'all in the am.

766 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:47:08pm

re: #753 Sharmuta

{Sharmuta}

Hey, I thought it would be kind of funny. Well, to me anyway. But I'm a perv, so...

767 realwest  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:47:33pm

re: #744 pingjockey
Hi ya ping! I just can't seem to pull myself away from good political debates and I just LOVE to see how ordinary folks out here on LGF seem to change their postions on so many matters so easily.
But Bed is calling and it's awfully hard to resist, I will admit! How are you doing my friend?

768 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:47:46pm

re: #766 Slumbering Behemoth

Did it have something to do with watching? lol

769 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:47:46pm

re: #738 ArchangelMichael

The only other elections I'm concerned with and may get "involved" in a campaign are the County Sherriff elections (a few potential candidates are vocalizing support of making the county a shall-issue county for CCW permits, which I support) and the next Presidential election.

We've had Sheriff Joe Arpaio down in these here parts for nigh on 16 years now. He's been re-elected 4 times, winning by as much as 40 points. The Left Hates him.

770 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:49:00pm

re: #717 avanti

I tend to ignore posts that start off with "you Commie bastard" too.

yeah, I'm learning to do that too. You're a role model for me!

771 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:49:04pm

re: #769 Opilio

We've had Sheriff Joe Arpaio down in these here parts for nigh on 16 years now. He's been re-elected 4 times, winning by as much as 40 points. The Left Hates him.

Power and Thomas here in NE Mesa, where are you at?

772 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:49:19pm

re: #768 Sharmuta

You know me all to well. ;)

773 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:49:24pm

re: #762 Bloodnok

He might still do it tonight. Still logged in.

So it was a half-assed flounce then?

774 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:50:29pm

re: #772 Slumbering Behemoth

That, or my shtick is getting too predictable.

775 jaunte  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:50:46pm

Goodnight all. Stay reticent.

People who insist on telling their dreams
are among the terrors of the breakfast table.
- Max Beerbohm

776 Bloodnok  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:50:49pm

Good night, Lizards and conservative activists.

Best of luck on your upcoming electoral success.

777 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:50:52pm

A F it, good song IMAO:

778 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:51:26pm

re: #770 iceweasel

yeah, I'm learning to do that too. You're a role model for me!

You poor thing. :) "Disagree without being disagreeable" write it down kid.

779 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:51:29pm

re: #761 avanti

re: #770 iceweasel

HEY, you two COMRADES stop with the Politburo meeting already!

/ :-)

780 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:51:38pm

re: #774 Slumbering Behemoth

It's more #772. We've been friends for awhile now, and I think I've gotten a pretty good idea of you. You're a good guy, but I won't let your secret out of the bag.

781 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:51:55pm

re: #776 Bloodnok

Good night, Lizards and conservative activists.

Best of luck on your upcoming electoral success.

LOL!

782 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:52:46pm

re: #779 Desert Dog

re: #770 iceweasel

HEY, you two COMRADES stop with the Politburo meeting already!

/ :-)

Resistance is futile, assimilate with the unicorns.

783 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:52:53pm

re: #762 Bloodnok

He might still do it tonight. Still logged in.

I'm not sure that means anything. He might be like myself, who wanders away without turning the computer off. Since the server computer is never turned off, I have looked like I'm online for days, but simply didn't log off or close the browser before leaving.

784 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:53:11pm

re: #771 Desert Dog

Power and Thomas here in NE Mesa, where are you at?

Chandler, near the 101.

785 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:53:39pm

re: #784 Opilio

Chandler, near the 101.

Howdy neighbor!

786 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:53:44pm

re: #769 Opilio

re: #771 Desert Dog

YO JOE!

787 realwest  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:54:00pm

re: #748 iceweasel Um, well I reckon most of the folks who are now involved, are blissfully unaware of "teabagging" as they have been haning out with the "wrong crowd" not to know what it means.
But they DO know what wasteful government spending, at all levels of government, is doing to their lifestyles NOW and lord knows their children and grandchildren. For that, they look to the original Tea Party in Boston Harbor and saw how at least 3 of the Founding Fathers were involved and go "hmmmmm - protesting that spending, in the street protesting" might not be a bad way to attract some political attention. And this year was small, next year will be much bigger and on April 15, 2011 they will be HUGE - too big even for the Dem MSM to ignore.

788 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:54:11pm

re: #779 Desert Dog

re: #770 iceweasel

HEY, you two COMRADES stop with the Politburo meeting already!

/ :-)

It's a communist plot! See! Darwin leads to Communism! Pretty soon we'll all turn into atheist homersexuals!

///

789 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:54:32pm

re: #784 Opilio

Guys, I'm looking at new digs at Gilbert & the 60!

790 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:54:37pm

re: #774 Slumbering Behemoth

Mow the Lawn

Enjoy.

791 Cygnus  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:54:53pm

re: #490 Bloodnok

Radiation suits, everyone. This is a level 4 warning.

Uh, oh. Did somebody fart?

/Late for the party again. Crap.

792 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:55:10pm

re: #780 Sharmuta

I won't let your secret out of the bag.

Sweeeeeet! 'Cuz ya know, the only way to hook up with the really kinky gals is to make them think you're a pig.
/

793 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:57:36pm
794 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:57:37pm

re: #777 eddiespaghetti

Sorry, "embedding disabled by request" on the u tubes (what an asshole) on that last vid, here goes the real thing...

795 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:57:50pm

re: #785 Desert Dog

Howdy neighbor!

Hail fellow and well met!

/don't know exactly what it means, but it sounds congenial, no?

796 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:57:56pm

re: #789 Macker

Guys, I'm looking at new digs at Gilbert & the 60!

Trader Joe's and an AH-So nearby....and if you have kiddies....Amazing Jakes

797 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:58:56pm

re: #788 Gus 802

It's a communist plot! See! Darwin leads to Communism! Pretty soon we'll all turn into atheist homersexuals!

///

It's always a communist plot.

BTW- I have to say. The opposite of capitalism isn't communism, but rather socialism.

798 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:59:21pm

It's baaaaa-aaack.

799 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:59:33pm

re: #763 Gus 802

Absolutely. And association with so-con issues and an organization like the AFA is only going to further alienate the middle of the country.

800 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 10:59:55pm

re: #790 Racer X

Ha! This was posted at HotAir recently.

801 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:00:05pm

re: #796 Desert Dog

Trader Joe's and an AH-So nearby....and if you have kiddies....Amazing Jakes

No little monsters. The 21-year-old contacted me on Facebook and told me "u r garbage". I reported him for harassment.
Tough Love.

802 ArchangelMichael  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:00:08pm

re: #769 Opilio

We've had Sheriff Joe Arpaio down in these here parts for nigh on 16 years now. He's been re-elected 4 times, winning by as much as 40 points. The Left Hates him.

California is a "may-issue at local law enforcement discretion" state for CCW permits and nearly every county is one of those where "you have to know someone" to actually get one. Politicians and celebrities can get them but the average Joe can't. At least 2 of the people publicly talking about running when the current Sheriff's term is up have said they would have a shall-issue policy. I'm hoping they can keep that stance under the left's radar long enough to get elected.

803 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:00:28pm

re: #793 Phil.

Thanks RealWest, this is essentially the bigger point I've been trying to make all along. I also sent you an email so please take a look when you get a chance.

I'm still sort of shocked with what transpired here. I've been a Lizard since 2001 before most of you had even heard of the term. I'm what most of you claim to be: socially moderate, fiscally conservative, and I think creationism is stupid and Ron Paul is wacky.

Yet, I've now had the hounds released on me for suggesting we should support conservative activists, particularly fiscally conservative ones, and who the fuck cares if Anderson Cooper makes fun of them?

I never thought I'd see the day where such activists would be openly mocked and scorned, but sure enough, that did just transpire. If people do align politically with what I mentioned above (fiscally conservative, socially moderate and opposed to Ron Paul and creationism) then perhaps it's time you took a long hard look in the mirror.

Your obsession with searching for "Paulians" and "creationists" in every nook and corner is pretty sad and beneath the great Little Green Footballs I used to be a part of.

And in the case of the vast majority of you, I was here long before you even heard of it. Don't forget that.

You cannot be mocked if you have the debate down. Things here on LGF are based on facts....so, if your facts are in order, fire away and make your point.....I disagree with many of the posts (and posters) sometimes, but that makes me engage the debate even more. If you feel you are right, do not back down. Just get ready to get called on it.

804 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:00:32pm

re: #793 Phil.

And in the case of the vast majority of you, I was here long before you even heard of it. Don't forget that.

We don't care. Your comments stand up or not based on their merits.

805 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:00:53pm

LGF has evolved.

806 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:01:12pm

re: #805 Racer X

LGF has evolved.

After being intelligently designed.

807 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:01:23pm

re: #797 Sharmuta

It's always a communist plot.

BTW- I have to say. The opposite of capitalism isn't communism, but rather socialism.

Right. I was thinking about the anti-Darwin propaganda where they always connect Darwin with Marx and even Hitler along with other social issues.

808 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:01:39pm

re: #789 Macker

Guys, I'm looking at new digs at Gilbert & the 60!

I used to have a place around Linsday and Southern, back when the 60 ended at Gilbert. Man, this town has changed.

809 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:01:42pm

re: #788 Gus 802
re: #779 Desert Dog

HEY, you two COMRADES stop with the Politburo meeting already!

/ :-)

It's a communist plot! See! Darwin leads to Communism! Pretty soon we'll all turn into atheist homersexuals!

It's a communist plot! See! Darwin leads to Communism! Pretty soon we'll all turn into atheist homersexuals!

///

We've come to steal your precious bodily fluids! ;)

810 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:02:05pm

re: #806 Macker

After being intelligently designed.

We do have a creator though....so, we cannot pin this design on random events

811 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:02:17pm
812 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:02:31pm

re: #793 Phil.

I'm getting some readings off the flounce-o-meter!

813 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:02:56pm

re: #793 Phil.

Get-your-own-blog.

814 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:03:06pm

re: #811 Phil.

No one is keeping you here against your will. You're free to log out whenever you wish and not come back, if that's what you so desire.

815 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:03:12pm

re: #811 Phil.

Frak You.

816 legalpad  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:03:18pm

re: #648 Sharmuta

Primus sucks!

So - only Primus sucks?/

817 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:03:37pm

re: #811 Phil.

Get-your-own-blog.

818 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:03:39pm

re: #808 Opilio

How long have you been here, Opilio? I got here in '86 from Denver.....it's ALOT different here today, that is fer sure

819 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:04:14pm

re: #817 Gus 802

Get-your-own-blog.

Yes- so we can come over and tell Phil how disappointed we are at how it's turned out.

820 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:04:45pm

re: #782 avanti

Resistance is futile, assimilate with the unicorns.

There is a small problem with the unicorns farting rainbows though, so I've heard. :(

821 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:04:52pm

re: #818 Desert Dog

re: #808 Opilio

I've only been here for five and a half years. Soon the Lady E will join me in about four months!

822 Gus  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:05:26pm

re: #819 Sharmuta

Yes- so we can come over and tell Phil how disappointed we are at how it's turned out.

Sounds like a plan. We already know what the topic would be since he's announced it about 1000 times already.

823 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:05:31pm

re: #805 Racer X

LGF has evolved.

Blasphemy, but true.

824 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:06:21pm

re: #818 Desert Dog

How long have you been here, Opilio? I got here in '86 from Denver.....it's ALOT different here today, that is fer sure

I arrived here during the Eisenhower administration from my mother's womb.

825 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:06:27pm

re: #811 Phil.

I have not read the entire thread, but it seems to me you were arguing in favor of more tea parties. Several Lizards pointed out this was a poor tactic to engage the left with.

826 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:06:49pm

re: #806 Macker

I'm holding my breath, I like where it is now cause it is rational. To be continued...

827 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:07:14pm

re: #811 Phil.

Clearly, and not for the better.

If you ideas are sound, bring it on.....if you truly believe you are right, do not shy away from a debate. If you cannot take the criticism or are sensitive to it, then perhaps you should fine an echo chamber that is more suited to your needs.

828 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:07:41pm

re: #820 iceweasel

There is a small problem with the unicorns farting rainbows though, so I've heard. :(

Yes, but they don't know unicorn farts smell like Kool Aid. Besides, you're a girl, and girls do not fart.

829 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:08:08pm

re: #824 Opilio

I arrived here during the Eisenhower administration from my mother's womb.

A native, wow...I am honored....

This place is so big now....almost too big...I miss the good old days when the Phoenix area was a small town

830 Cygnus  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:09:10pm

re: #828 avanti

Yes, but they don't know unicorn farts smell like Kool Aid. Besides, you're a girl, and girls do not fart.

Sadly, occasionally we do. Oops.

831 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:09:38pm

re: #782 avanti

Unicorns, the white type? Across her sholder?

832 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:09:46pm

Drum Battle Buddy Rich Vs Animal - Muppet Show

833 Racer X  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:10:56pm

Later haters.

834 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:11:09pm

re: #793 Phil.

I never thought I'd see the day where such activists would be openly mocked and scorned, but sure enough, that did just transpire. If people do align politically with what I mentioned above (fiscally conservative, socially moderate and opposed to Ron Paul and creationism) then perhaps it's time you took a long hard look in the mirror.

Your obsession with searching for "Paulians" and "creationists" in every nook and corner is pretty sad and beneath the great Little Green Footballs I used to be a part of.

And in the case of the vast majority of you, I was here long before you even heard of it. Don't forget that.

That's BS: the people being mocked and scorned deserve it and fiscally conservatives aren't being castigated en masse as you portend. We don't look for the Paulians and creationists: they announce themselves coming in an definitely going out.

You're just willing to put up with a couple of troubling alliances to further your own concerns. Most of us here aren't.

Don't obfuscate the issues by painting us as eating our young or going nutso on you. You're selling out your issues by allying with kooks and idiots if you don't call them the kooks and idiots that they are.

835 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:11:16pm

re: #818 Desert Dog

How long have you been here, Opilio? I got here in '86 from Denver.....it's ALOT different here today, that is fer sure

I've never been to Denver. I've been in Denver a few times -- at Stapleton. Back in the days when Phoenix didn't rate very many direct flights.

836 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:11:33pm

re: #825 Racer X

I have not read the entire thread, but it seems to me you were arguing in favor of more tea parties. Several Lizards pointed out this was a poor tactic to engage the left with.

I don't think the Tea Parties are meant to engage the left.
I thought the purpose was to protest against Democrat and Republican government office holders spending and taxing.
Of course, this will attract fringe elements (Troofers were asked to leave the one I attended, but the pro same-sex marriage gays got to stay.) but I think the majority of the attendees were there to protest higher taxes and deficit spending, not engage the left.

837 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:11:39pm

re: #833 Racer X

Later haters.

Nite racer

838 [deleted]  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:12:36pm
839 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:12:59pm

re: #830 Cygnus

Sadly, occasionally we do. Oops.

Perhaps, but you don't as much pride in a decent one as we do.

840 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:13:16pm

re: #825 Racer X

I have not read the entire thread, but it seems to me you were arguing in favor of more tea parties. Several Lizards pointed out this was a poor tactic to engage the left with.

The Tea parties have been tainted by wackos, no doubt.....BUT, the vast majority of people that attended them are not:

a)Paulians
b)Nirthers
c)Nazis (neo or otherwise)
d)loonies

So, for those here on this blog that discount or minimalize the attendance of these events, you are in for a rude awakening when the next round is even bigger. There is a grass roots ground swell going on about the direction this country is heading and it is not a small bunch of wackos, it is a large group of regular everyday people (with a bunch of loonies riding the wave)

841 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:13:32pm

re: #829 Desert Dog

A native, wow...I am honored....

This place is so big now....almost too big...I miss the good old days when the Phoenix area was a small town

I wish they would have closed the door about 30 years ago -- except of course for you, Macker, and... my wife :-)

842 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:13:38pm

re: #793 Phil.

Yet, I've now had the hounds released on me for suggesting we should support conservative activists, particularly fiscally conservative ones, and who the fuck cares if Anderson Cooper makes fun of them?

Conservative activists don't play dress-up. Conservative activists don't hang effigies of politicians. Conservative activists don't loiter in parks and congregate with kooks. Conservative activists don't swing goofy, hand written signs about and pretend that they are actually affecting "change".

These are the behaviors of reactionaries. Far-right, but not conservative by any means.

Real conservative activists get involved with their parties at the local level, do real work, and put in real sweat, blood and tears.

Grabbing signs, putting on costumes, hanging effigies, and loitering in a park just bitching is not "Conservative Activism". It is reactionary, and the far right mirror image of the style of protesting we've seen for the last eight years.

Be proud. You have taken the methods of the leftists and made them your own. With time, and the same amount of effort, you will have achieved the same pinnacle of political action as those you emulate: Fuck all for nothing.

843 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:13:43pm

re: #829 Desert Dog

A native, wow...I am honored....

This place is so big now....almost too big...I miss the good old days when the Phoenix area was a small town

Really? I was born in Buckeye. I distinctly remember it being miles and miles and miles from Phoenix.

But somehow someone seems to have picked it up and dropped it right outside of town, now.

Wonder how that happened? Wonder what the population of Phoenix was in 1954?

844 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:14:18pm

re: #838 Phil.

Then GO. No one is keeping you here.

845 Phil.  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:14:31pm

re: #827 Desert Dog

If you ideas are sound, bring it on.....if you truly believe you are right, do not shy away from a debate. If you cannot take the criticism or are sensitive to it, then perhaps you should fine an echo chamber that is more suited to your needs.

I don't require an echo chamber, but I received support from only one of you: realwest.

It's pretty clear most of you are deploring groupthink but are actively engaging in it. I'm not interested.

Good night for real this time.

846 avanti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:15:01pm

OK, too late to even chase Studebakers on the left coast, night all.

847 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:16:36pm

re: #838 Phil.

You never replied to my "keyboard warriors" comment. Cause we are all the same, btw, nobody has actually done anything which u purport to be doing. Good night friend, others do while you type, ass-wipe...

848 realwest  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:17:06pm

re: #793 Phil. Well you got me beat pardner, I've only been here since December 2003 - yet, though you say you've been here since 2001, you've only made 354 comments, while I'm rapidly approaching 80,000 comments and you know what - none of that matters at all. What matters is that you present a clear, well reasoned argument, backed by links to factual material or simply say it's your opinion or your observation. But you can't go around calling folks Keyboard Warrors and expect to receive a particularly warm greeting from the crowd, ya know? If you're arguing against extreme and wasteful government spending, that you don't align yourself with Paulians nor will you be recruited by Neo-Nazi's, and perhaps go further and analyze what all of this governtment spending means (I mean,for crying out loud Obama's Budget Projects a 1.8 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT and most economists will tell you that you can't spend your way out of a depression or deep recession, that you can't replace $100k a year jobs with $40k a year "green jobs" and expect either the economy to grown and get better or for citizens to feel happy about it), and THAT'S why you're going to the Tea Parties, then at least you will have started folks thinking that you are, well, thinking,not reacting. And yes LGF has changed; we do have, I apprehend, more folks from the Left side of the stupid political spectrum than we've ever had before, but in my view that simply provides more and different ideas with which we can debate and who the hell knows, maybe..........if we can get past the insults and the guilt by association and the "keyboard warriors" shit, maybe we'll all actually come up with a way to HELP America.

849 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:18:23pm

re: #832 Racer X

Dude...DUDE! I saw that as a kid and still remember how awesome it was.

Youtube Video
850 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:18:46pm

re: #807 Gus 802

Right. I was thinking about the anti-Darwin propaganda where they always connect Darwin with Marx and even Hitler along with other social issues.

It's kind of amazing how the anti-darwin propaganda (and creationism and ID) is connected to SO many so-con issues. It's not just that such people are profoundly anti-science (although they are) and scientifically illiterate (though they are that too)--they're also using it to promote a whole host of so-con positions. The claims of connections with Nazi eugenics for example--that usually segues into talk about how Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist, and the dogwhistle there is about abortion and birth control....just loads of examples of this sort of thing.

851 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:18:54pm

re: #842 Slumbering Behemoth

Real conservative activists get involved with their parties at the local level, do real work, and put in real sweat, blood and tears.

so, how many here are involved in trying to make a real change outside of "Grabbing signs, putting on costumes, hanging effigies, and loitering in a park just bitching is not "Conservative Activism"

852 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:19:25pm

re: #843 razorbacker

Really? I was born in Buckeye. I distinctly remember it being miles and miles and miles from Phoenix.

But somehow someone seems to have picked it up and dropped it right outside of town, now.

Wonder how that happened? Wonder what the population of Phoenix was in 1954?

I drove down I-10 to Tucson last year for the first time in ages. That was one desolate drive 40 years ago. Now, you really never leave civilization. How sad.

853 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:20:18pm

re: #852 Opilio

I drove down I-10 to Tucson last year for the first time in ages. That was one desolate drive 40 years ago. Now, you really never leave civilization. How sad.

1000 cars in the passing lane, 1 semi in the slow lane....welcome to I-10, Arizona style

854 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:22:36pm

re: #838 Phil.

Time to move on. LGF has "evolved" into something unrecognizable. And not particularly appealing either.

Sorry it's so uncomfortable for you. By all means, move on. Just don't take another 5 or 16 posts to say you're leaving, just go.

855 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:22:37pm

re: #838 Phil.


I think it is. If this is what LGF has become, it's pretty much worthless to me now.

Can I expect that you will stop posting comments here, then?

Or will choose to go out in a Blaze of Glory fit of internet nerd rage?

856 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:22:37pm

re: #851 IslandLibertarian

I've been involved in my local party for about 8 years now. I've been calling for more folks to get involved locally since before the election.

857 TheQuis  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:23:06pm

re: #851 IslandLibertarian

Something That I'm noticing. Democrats have been able to make a distinction between the liberal and the Democrats. Conservatives, from what I've noticed, tend to talk about the Republican Party as just an extension of conservatism itself. If you're not conservative, then you're a RINO, where as If you're not a liberal, you're still just Democrat.

858 realwest  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:23:07pm

re: #825 Racer X

I have not read the entire thread, but it seems to me you were arguing in favor of more tea parties. Several Lizards pointed out this was a poor tactic to engage the left with.


And those lizards are certainly entitled to their opinions. But that doesn't mean their opinions are correct. What would have happened without the Civil Rights Marches and Demonstrations? I would like to think Obama would have been nominated and elected,but I sure wouldn't count on it. People peacefully assembling and demostrating for or against something isn't inherently wrong and indeed, if it caputres the eyes and ears of those coming up for re-election, may in fact be a brake on the Federal, State and local government activities.

859 razorbacker  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:24:44pm

re: #853 Desert Dog

1000 cars in the passing lane, 1 semi in the slow lane....welcome to I-10, Arizona style

One of the few laws here in Arkansas that I heartly approve of is the law mandating that slower drivers in the passing lane must yield to faster drivers and get in the right lane. The troopers can and will ticket offenders.

But they still won't let you get up tight in the curves, tap 'em lightly in the rear quarter-panel and put 'em into the guardrails, though.

Buncha pussies, is why. I suspect some of them may be Republicans, to boot.

860 The Left  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:25:54pm

re: #846 avanti

OK, too late to even chase Studebakers on the left coast, night all.

So long, Comrade!

861 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:26:28pm

re: #845 Phil.

I don't require an echo chamber, but I received support from only one of you: realwest.

It's pretty clear most of you are deploring groupthink but are actively engaging in it. I'm not interested.

Good night for real this time.

Dude, you're STILL here?
I thought you'd flounced off a long time ago.
Please, feel free to leave.
It's not like you feel welcome here, is it?

862 realwest  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:27:22pm

Well good evening y'all - hope you all have a great early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

863 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:31:30pm
You're so obsessed with trying to find non-existent "Paulians" and "creationists" under every nook and corner, you've become what you hated - just a different offshoot of the Birchers crowd under new management.

And with this little tidbit, Phil has shown us exactly what his little chip on the shoulder is all about. Such contempt for rationality.

864 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:32:19pm

re: #851 IslandLibertarian


so, how many here are involved in trying to make a real change outside of "Grabbing signs, putting on costumes, hanging effigies, and loitering in a park just bitching is not "Conservative Activism"

There are some. I am not at this time one of them. At the same time, I am also not one of those who thinks protesting is actual work rather than just juvenile bitching.

865 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:33:41pm

re: #861 Floral Giraffe

I won't be so mean as to say that. But I am waiting for an answer to my original question, of course it will not be answered.

Groupthink (nice use of a post-grad word) would involve more than this, it would require an answer from Phil. Do questions frighten u?

Not forthcoming, apparently...

866 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:40:08pm

re: #838 Phil.

OBTW, these are the doers, not the "kekyboard warriors" which u speak of...

When is the last time you were in the "stan", I bet never, ass-wipe....

You don't even know what I am talking about, do u?

867 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:46:21pm

As far as uncovering and documenting the reality of unsavory elements within this "Tea Party" movement goes, I take my hat off for Killgore Trout. He has done a lot of heavy lifting here exposing a reality that some wish to deny or gloss over. And he has caught a lot of reactionary bullshit for it.

Cheers to KT.

868 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:50:01pm

re: #867 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't think u can right off the entire "tea party" establishment as BS, but good work to KT in his studies. We should shun those parties who are "kook fringe-racist-douchebags". So here is to KGT!

869 eddiespaghetti  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:52:50pm

I'm f-ing out, iron fist up in this place. Out, night lizards.

870 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:02:42am

re: #868 eddiespaghetti

I think that has been the whole point of exposing certain facts. Yet some want to deny the exposition of those facts and declare that the messenger is smearing the whole. I do not see that as being the case here.

Exposing the unsavory elements of any cause helps me to be better informed, and that is something I appreciate. KT has dug into this here, and has mostly gotten juvenile, reactionary crap for it.

871 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:15:53am

re: #845 Phil.

Can't you please just flounce once and leave? You are like a gassy sleeping dog.

872 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:23:18am
873 ladycatnip  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:31:21am

Late to this thread...insomnia...

I don't think I like the sound of this, and neither does the Washington Examiner. Obviously I haven't read upthread so this may be redundant.

The lead sentence in this editorial doesn't sound hysterical to me, just really concerned, and for good reason:

A new White House policy on permissible lobbying on economic recovery and stimulus projects has taken a decidedly anti-First Amendment turn. It's a classic illustration of Big Government trying to control every aspect of a particular activity and in the process running up against civil liberty.

It's the slippery slope theory.

874 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:42:55am

re: #872 deanayer

Ha! Point to specific facts that back up your "water boy" remark.

Rome is burning WAKE THE FUCK UP.

Wait, what?

Is it fucking Armageddon again? Already? I was just finally getting over the civil disorder and rank lawlessness of our last Democrat POTUS. Do I have to suffer, once again, the locusts, toads, fiery hail and blood soaked rivers that came with Clinton?

Shit, this hyperbolic idiocy is getting tiresome. Maybe I'll go join the Church of Jedi or something. Can they get me off this planet of rubes?

875 The Left  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:32:49am

re: #874 Slumbering Behemoth

Ha! Point to specific facts that back up your "water boy" remark.

Wait, what?

Is it fucking Armageddon again? Already? I was just finally getting over the civil disorder and rank lawlessness of our last Democrat POTUS. Do I have to suffer, once again, the locusts, toads, fiery hail and blood soaked rivers that came with Clinton?

Shit, this hyperbolic idiocy is getting tiresome. Maybe I'll go join the Church of Jedi or something. Can they get me off this planet of rubes?

Quoted and updinged for truth. I cannot stand to see a repeat of the hysteria that occurred during the Clinton admin and the constant screaming that the sky is falling. Every new manufactured outrage is always claimed to be OMG the worstest thing EVAH!

It's exactly like that great comment of Killgore's at number 1.

876 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:54:45am

re: #872 deanayer

I wonder how many attempts you'll make at getting back in after you get the stick.

877 ArchangelMichael  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:07:15am

re: #872 deanayer

"Start steppin' Leroy."

878 Dar ul Harb  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:46:02am

re: #872 deanayer

Now, that's how it's done, Philperiod.

/none of this more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger stuff

879 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:46:04am
Is America going to take this laying down. This is coup.Smooth, slick and Obamafied but America is most certainly underattack from within. We need an insurrrection. We must fight this, the pussified Republicans are stuck in some impotent inertia. We need Washington! Jefferson! Paine! Calling all Americans!

So, this raises the question - is it possible for Geller to form a complete, semi-accurate sentence? I mean, damn - this is downright painful to read, not because of the barely discernible content, but because of all the spelling and grammatical mistakes.

Another thought: Geller doesn't seem to get much traffic (not surprising at all); I'm beginning to suspect that most of that traffic is coming from people over here, alerted by Charles, who then go over to gawk. I think Charles is right to report on Geller's odious associations and rants, but he always provides more than enough context in his own posts to make an actual visit to her site unnecessary. I'd suggest staying the hell away and not getting that stink directly on yourself. Geller is the ultimate example of an attention whore who hovers over her hit statistics on an hourly basis. Limiting her traffic to the five or six fascist wannabees who frequent her site will accomplish more than any number of rational appeals.

880 The Left  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:14:10am

re: #879 SixDegrees

So, this raises the question - is it possible for Geller to form a complete, semi-accurate sentence? I mean, damn - this is downright painful to read, not because of the barely discernible content, but because of all the spelling and grammatical mistakes.

i don't think it is. She needs a dictionary, a thesaurus, a full-time editor. Failing that, you'd think she could at least learn how to use spell-check.

And that's just to start. I think she needs psychiatric help. I'm not being cruel or hyperbolic. I think she's disturbed.

Another thought: Geller doesn't seem to get much traffic (not surprising at all); I'm beginning to suspect that most of that traffic is coming from people over here, alerted by Charles, who then go over to gawk.

I can tell you that Geller also gets tons of traffic (and has done for YEARS) from the lefty blogs. She's a regular target singled out for mockery and derision. To take but one example of a single referrer that would drive a lot of traffic: James Wollcott at Vanity Fair regularly singles her out for mockery. Wollcott doesn't even allow comments at his blog, but he stopped linking PG when he talks about her not because he didn't want to send her traffic, but because of the sheer volume of the hatemail he gets when he mentions and links her. I've no idea what PG's stats are, but we can't infer from her comment section how many "true believers" she has. The volume of JW's hatemail, the fact that he doesn't even allow comments--all this suggests that Pammy has many readers who are hardcore true believers. They may not comment on her, but they mobilise for her.

I think Charles is right to report on Geller's odious associations and rants, but he always provides more than enough context in his own posts to make an actual visit to her site unnecessary. I'd suggest staying the hell away and not getting that stink directly on yourself. Geller is the ultimate example of an attention whore who hovers over her hit statistics on an hourly basis. Limiting her traffic to the five or six fascist wannabees who frequent her site will accomplish more than any number of rational appeals.

Geller is an attention whore, for sure, but I don't think she's saying what she does purely for her hits. I think she's crazy and believes the disgusting stuff she spews.

I also think it's important to document falsehood and craziness when it occurs.

881 The Left  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:19:23am
Wollcott doesn't even allow comments at his blog, but he stopped linking PG when he talks about her not because he didn't want to send her traffic, but because of the sheer volume of the hatemail he gets when he mentions and links her.

Sorry, I need to clarify this: when JW linked her, PG would notice the referral link and then put up a post about it. Then he'd get the hatemail from her people. So he stopped linking her.

882 grumpy_old_soldier  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:20:13am

You forgot Michelle Malkin.

883 The Left  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:24:12am

re: #882 grumpy_old_soldier

You forgot Michelle Malkin.

Isn't Gellar widely linked across the right blogosphere? The craziest elements link her, of course, but don't a lot of people on the right link her as well?

884 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:43:21am

re: #880 iceweasel

Geller is an attention whore, for sure, but I don't think she's saying what she does purely for her hits. I think she's crazy and believes the disgusting stuff she spews.

I also think it's important to document falsehood and craziness when it occurs.

Completely agree with your closing statement here. It's one of the reasons I like this site - Charles calls bullshit without regard for the source. Note that I'm not saying Charles should ignore Geller's bullshit; I'm saying that it generally isn't necessary and may be self-defeating for others to visit her site as a result of Charles' postings.

As for Geller, attention whore seems to be the best explanation. She has a bad habit of inserting herself into photo ops at every opportunity; her bizarre actions in the past have included video blogging from a pool in a bikini, to no real purpose other than to attract attention; and her statements become more and more bizarre as she notices the attention they are attracting, as in her latest feedback spiral involving the fascists. Personally, I doubt Geller believes much of anything other than that she is the center of the Universe, or should be. I fully expect her to have an epiphany regarding fascism and turn to other topics the moment she discovers a venue that boosts attention even more than supporting slime. Look for slow-motion trampoline v-logging entries or something similar.

885 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:51:36am

re: #883 iceweasel

Isn't Gellar widely linked across the right blogosphere? The craziest elements link her, of course, but don't a lot of people on the right link her as well?

Unknown; I haven't run across many references to her elsewhere.

Malkin, not surprisingly, is busily spraying rabid spittle in all directions over the non-story under discussion in this thread, claiming that this is the beginning of massive government suppression of free speech. Not really surprising; this appears to be the official position of Hot Air, the only real difference being that Malkin typically takes the lead in such shit-stirring, while Morrisey is more often just churning out copy to spec.

It's a damn shame. Ed used to have one of the most rational, well-reasoned sites political sites on the Internet; since joining Hot Air, all of his best qualities have disappeared in a froth of unreasoned hatred. Ed, of course, needs and deserves a paycheck more than many do. But it's sad to see him so strenuously reaching for the bottom in order to cash it.

886 Toastrider  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:05:37am

With all due respect, Charles, I wouldn't trust Obama with a dollar, let along to manage stimulus money with any level of integrity.

I'm not hyperventilating, but prior experience makes me very suspicious.

Still, it /could/ be 'chaff'. I've suspected for a while that the whole birth certificate thing was distraction, to keep attention off real problems (Obama's links with ACORN, for example). Keep both eyes open.

887 jzm  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:06:02am

Oh the drama. I'm sick of the people who over does it in the fear department and acts like my 86 year old granny who is going through her second childhood.

888 The Left  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:21:42am

re: #884 SixDegrees

I agree with everything you're saying--my one point of disagreement is that Charles is driving 'most of' her traffic to her when he links her. I mentioned that she's getting loads of traffic from elsewhere, for one thing. I also think lizards are very unlikely to click through to her blog to begin with.
Ironically, part of the reason I think this is a point you bring up-- he gives the full context and detail in every mention. Plus the people here already know PG is full of crap so I don't think loads of lizards are clicking that link. I can't believe people here would feel the need to click through to 'doublecheck' what Charles is saying. Maybe a couple click through to gawk at the trainwreck, but it won't be many.

She's getting most of her traffic from other places, to be sure.


Completely agree with your closing statement here. It's one of the reasons I like this site - Charles calls bullshit without regard for the source. Note that I'm not saying Charles should ignore Geller's bullshit; I'm saying that it generally isn't necessary and may be self-defeating for others to visit her site as a result of Charles' postings.

Again, we agree. Our one small point of disagreement here is that you think lots of lizards are clicking through....I don't think that's happening, for the reasons I just gave. I think lizards are LESS likely to click through to her than anyone else, to begin with.

As for Geller, attention whore seems to be the best explanation. She has a bad habit of inserting herself into photo ops at every opportunity; her bizarre actions in the past have included video blogging from a pool in a bikini, to no real purpose other than to attract attention; and her statements become more and more bizarre as she notices the attention they are attracting, as in her latest feedback spiral involving the fascists. Personally, I doubt Geller believes much of anything other than that she is the center of the Universe, or should be. I fully expect her to have an epiphany regarding fascism and turn to other topics the moment she discovers a venue that boosts attention even more than supporting slime. Look for slow-motion trampoline v-logging entries or something similar.

I'm fully aware of the bikini blogging, endlessly targeted for ridicule on the lefty blogs. Let's also not forget her video blogging while attending a dinner party--she broadcast from the bathroom while sitting (thankfully clothed) on her host's toilet. She's also video blogged herself dancing and badly singing "My Sharia" to the tune of "My Sharona".

I'm hesitant to say this: I don't intend to engage in slander or libel or be cruel here, but I think she may well be drinking sometimes when she posts. I say this not simply because of the lack of spelling, grammar, and proper syntax in her posts, but because she's drinking in some of her video blogs (not a big deal, who cares?) --but she also sometimes appears to be drunk in those videos. I think she might need help in that regard. This makes me feel sorry for her.

Look for slow-motion trampoline v-logging entries or something similar.

I would be not at all surprised. And very funny. :)

And btw-- she certainly is a narcissist. The most dangerous place to be is between her and a camera.

889 The Left  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:30:32am

re: #885 SixDegrees

Unknown; I haven't run across many references to her elsewhere.

Malkin, not surprisingly, is busily spraying rabid spittle in all directions over the non-story under discussion in this thread, claiming that this is the beginning of massive government suppression of free speech. Not really surprising; this appears to be the official position of Hot Air, the only real difference being that Malkin typically takes the lead in such shit-stirring, while Morrisey is more often just churning out copy to spec.

It's a damn shame. Ed used to have one of the most rational, well-reasoned sites political sites on the Internet; since joining Hot Air, all of his best qualities have disappeared in a froth of unreasoned hatred. Ed, of course, needs and deserves a paycheck more than many do. But it's sad to see him so strenuously reaching for the bottom in order to cash it.

Completely agree with you in re: Malkin and Ed both. I loathe Malkin and her site is infested with the worst kind of crazy. I'm a lib and hardly agreed with Ed at all, even before he moved, but I always liked reading him and I found him to be someone who was intelligent and made cogent arguments, even when I didn't agree with them.

It's a real deathblow to the conservative blogosphere that he's gone over to the crazies. Such a loss.

890 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:59:56am
891 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:18:20am

Thank you Charles.

The rush to the worst case scenario by some conservatives is exactly the reason why many liberals view such conservatives to crazed wing nuts in the first place. Add to that the push for creationism/ID, the holy quest to ban abortion & push the lord's prayer in every public school and you have a very negative definition of a conservative. This is not to say that liberals have their own issues to work on, but if the GOP is to survive (and I hope they do, we need balance in this nation), they've got to make a move for moderation in their ranks. And soon.

Anyway, just early morning rambling I suppose.

"Atlas Shrieks." Gave me a chuckle.

892 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:27:36am

re: #872 deanayer

I'm done. .... You lost me.

What did we have?

893 freetoken  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:28:47am

re: #892 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What did we have?

Apparently acid reflux.

894 Bloodnok  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:32:46am

re: #892 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What did we have?

You lost me.

I don't think it was ever "found" to begin with.

895 centaur  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:35:22am

Captain's Quarters was a staple in my blogroll back three, four years ago. I since have a life and no longer pay much mind to a daily blogroll. What I recall most from those days though is the full lunacy that encompassed the left--how everything they did/said/thought was animated by Bush hatred. Is the right being driven to the same now with Obama?

ODS?

Damn, and I've always disliked such relativistic, tit-for-tat, "both sides," arguments.

896 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:35:40am

re: #894 Bloodnok

I don't think it was ever "found" to begin with.

Perhaps it lost itself.
Sounds obsessive, running down an alley, away from the light.

897 nihilist  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:37:38am

Charles, I gotta say they might have a point. Even though this seems like an honest and possibly effective attempt to discourage corruption in the handing out of government stimulus money, if it infringes on anyone's First Amendment rights there is a problem. A right can die a death of a thousand cuts. At the same time, I am not here offering a better way for the Obama admin to reduce corruption in the awarding of these contracts.

I'm not about to bug out like Pamela or anything...that chick is loopy, but I would be more concerned if there wasn't a peep from the blogosphere about this. McCain-Feingold was well-intentioned, too, and while McCain-Feingold was more obviously unacceptable, every example of a possible precedent for the diminishment of our First Amendment rights should be thoroughly 'vetted' and evaluated by us all.

If anything, I actually thank you for your post because you added some much needed perspective and, as always, provide a particularly rational one at that. That being said, I can see where some of this concern is coming from. It can sometimes seem like we are creeping in the wrong direction concerning freedom in general, so the paranoia is a side-effect of what I think is an otherwise healthy, or at least benign, desire to conserve a broad freedom of speech.

I haven't posted much at all lately (last year of grad school) but LGF is still a daily read. Keep on keepin' on - as long as you are honestly blogging about what interests you this blog will be worth reading. You do a great job providing 'checks and balances'.

898 The Left  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:54:01am

re: #891 eclectic infidel

Thank you Charles.

The rush to the worst case scenario by some conservatives is exactly the reason why many liberals view such conservatives to crazed wing nuts in the first place. Add to that the push for creationism/ID, the holy quest to ban abortion & push the lord's prayer in every public school and you have a very negative definition of a conservative. This is not to say that liberals have their own issues to work on, but if the GOP is to survive (and I hope they do, we need balance in this nation), they've got to make a move for moderation in their ranks. And soon.

Anyway, just early morning rambling I suppose.

"Atlas Shrieks." Gave me a chuckle.

I think you're completely correct in everything you say here.

I think it's extremely important that the GOP identify and squash the lunatic fringe of the party. Failure to do so will only ensure that they become the party of a permanent minority status--and we as a democracy need to have(at least) two vital and functioning parties.

In re: "atlas shrieks"-- I don't know if people here already know this, but the left has been googlebombing Atlas Shrugs for years. Google "shrieking harpy", with or without quotes, and see what pops up first.

Yeah, it's juvenile and I don't condone this kind of thing, but in this case I do have to giggle just a little bit.

899 Reluctant Democrat  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:26:00am

I agree with Charles. That's how I took it, and I couldn't figure out what the fuss was about. It's like in a lawsuit, the judge requires all communication to be in writing so one side doesn't get access to the judge without the other side getting a chance to rebut.

As for Hot Air, I would hope it's just a honest misreading.

900 coloradobuff  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:42:09am

I agree with Charles on this one. The requirements only cover communications with government officials to prevent those discussions from being "off the record". The restriction does cover anyone, and not just those competing for stimulus funds, but such a limitation is proper. If someone wants to complain about stimulus funds by way of a newspaper, blog, or the like, they can still do so. This kind of restriction should be a welcome change.

901 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:13am

BTW -- I didn't send any traffic to Atlas Shrieks. The link goes to Google's cache.

902 The Left  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:27:32am

re: #901 Charles

BTW -- I didn't send any traffic to Atlas Shrieks. The link goes to Google's cache.

Yet no one brought that up! Frankly I think that proves what I said: very few here click through an LGF link to PG.

Also, kudos to Charles for linking only to the Google cache. I think Wollcott at Vanity Fair ought to restore links and do the same, and also that all the lefty blogs that love to mock her (deservedly) should do that too. Starve the attention but provide the info.

903 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:28:20am

re: #897 nihilist

Charles, I gotta say they might have a point. Even though this seems like an honest and possibly effective attempt to discourage corruption in the handing out of government stimulus money, if it infringes on anyone's First Amendment rights there is a problem.

But it does not infringe one bit on First Amendment rights. You can blog about stimulus programs, write letters to media, rant on street corners, anything you want. The restriction only applies if you're contacting a government agency responsible for awarding stimulus grants, and even there your rights are not restricted -- you can say anything you want, with the single provision that it has to be in writing.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

904 Arbalest  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:30:24pm

I read Norm Eisen’s update post carefully.

The term “government officials” is used.

Does this term include US Senators and Representatives? They are elected government officials.

Eisen’s reasons provided in his post are troubling:

“We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program.”

That’s it? Why does Eisen not include “their” reasoning (and who "they" are), in writing? I can think of reasons, but I’d like to hear his. I’d also like to read his authority to “expand the restriction” in the first place.

Is a hired staffer of the Executive Branch trying to limit communications between elected members of the Legislative Branch and their citizen constituents? Eisen’s post reads this way.

Eisen’s wording in his post is troubling:

“First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, . . . ”

Combined with the original restriction:

“ . . . barred registered lobbyists from having oral communications with government officials about specific Recovery Act projects . . .”.

. . . this is clearly restricting, if not outright prohibiting, free speech. And the restriction is to be between Citizens and their Elected Representatives.

Then:

“Second, we will focus the restriction on oral communications to target the scenario . . .”

“focus the restriction” and “target the scenario” are not limiting language. I think all lawyers specializing in contract law will say so, ditto for those specializing in constitutional law. Focus can be changed easily; other scenarios can be easily targeted.

"We" can change "our" mind, "we" did not include restricting language, "we" apparently are not elected.

Yes, I'm bothered by these actions.

905 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:17:04pm

re: #904 Arbalest

Eisen’s wording in his post is troubling:

“First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, . . . ”

Combined with the original restriction:

“ . . . barred registered lobbyists from having oral communications with government officials about specific Recovery Act projects . . .”.

. . . this is clearly restricting, if not outright prohibiting, free speech. And the restriction is to be between Citizens and their Elected Representatives.

It is NOT restricting free speech. You can say anything you want about the stimulus grant you're commenting on, but it has to be in writing.

No restrictions are mentioned at all. It just makes sure that all communications are in writing, in order to prevent corruption.

906 Arbalest  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:29:30pm

Re: #905 Charles:

Eisen himself uses the word “restriction” 3 times in his post, twice explicitly in the form “restriction on oral communications”.

Therefore, I take Eisen at his word, and believe that Eisen intends that there are restrictions on oral communications. I see no limiting language in his post. This is a problem: his policies, etc., may be extremely narrowly intended, but as written, as worded, they are rather broad in scope.

At the least, I see a “chilling effect”. Reporters are allowed to keep sources confidential, since otherwise sources are unlikely to be sources, thus preventing reporters from getting information and reporting; a chilling effect, say the courts. As per Eisen, all persons who wish to discuss Recovery Act policy (Eisner’s writing) with government officials (apparently US Senators and Representatives) could only do so in writing, which would then be made public.

This might make corruption more difficult, but it also exposes those who merely wish to state opposition to Recovery Act policy subject to, for example, drivebys by busses full of ACORN activists. We’ve seen this, quite recently, and the results.

I’m all for fighting corruption, and reducing the influence of lobbyists. But Eisen looks to be promulgating policy, that is effectively now law, that seems doubtfully legal as-is, doing it by fiat, and that will cause far more harm in the future.

907 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:41:26pm

re: #906 Arbalest

Yes, there's a "restriction" on oral communications. The restriction is that communications must be in writing. That's all.

This might make corruption more difficult, but it also exposes those who merely wish to state opposition to Recovery Act policy subject to, for example, drivebys by busses full of ACORN activists.

No, it doesn't. This only applies to people who are communicating with government agencies responsible for awarding stimulus grants. You can state your opposition all you like, in any other way.

908 Yashmak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 6:55:33am

I see Pamela Geller has proceeded from hysteria to sedition. Nice.


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