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They got this guy, in Germany. Fritz Something-or-other. Or is it? Maybe it’s Werner. Anyway, he’s got this theory, you wanna test something, you know, scientifically - how the planets go round the sun, what sunspots are made of, why the water comes out of the tap - well, you gotta look at it. But sometimes you look at it, your looking changes it. Ya can’t know the reality of what happened, or what would’ve happened if you hadn’t-a stuck in your own goddamn schnozz. So there is no “what happened”? Not in any sense that we can grasp, with our puny minds. Because our minds… our minds get in the way. Looking at something changes it. They call it the “Uncertainty Principle”. Sure, it sounds screwy, but even Einstein says the guy’s on to something.

— Freddy Riedenschneider, The Man Who Wasn’t There

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1 legalpad  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:09:00pm

Phil, have you gone to bed yet?

2 Macker  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:09:59pm

Perhaps Phil's farting rainbows.

3 Cygnus  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:11:07pm

So if we all look at Obama long enough, will he change into a conservative?

4 legalpad  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:12:37pm

So, I finally quit video games, now I watch more tv and read/post lgf. So I'm still up late.

5 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:13:06pm

Tonight for a movie selection, I have chosen 'Sabrina'.

No- not the crappy remake. The classy original with Audrey Hepburn and Humphrey Bogart.

See you guys in a bit. Have fun.

6 srb1976  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:13:50pm

Ok, back to scrubbing, living room 1/3 done....back in awhile!

7 Cygnus  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:14:21pm

re: #6 srb1976

Ok, back to scrubbing, living room 1/3 done....back in awhile!

What time is it there?!

8 srb1976  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:15:09pm

re: #7 Cygnus

What time is it there?!

1:11, I start night turn tomorrow night, so I'm up all night tonight....easiest way

9 srb1976  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:15:58pm

re: #8 srb1976

1:11, I start night turn tomorrow night, so I'm up all night tonight....easiest way

Plus, easier to scrub VERY slick tile floor when rugrat is sleeping so she doesn't slip and crack her noggin on the floor

10 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:23:30pm

re: #9 srb1976

Plus, easier to scrub VERY slick tile floor when rugrat is sleeping so she doesn't slip and crack her noggin on the floor

I remember those days. Now I am so old I might be the one slipping and cracking my own noggin. LOL

11 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:25:26pm

One morning, I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I don't know.

12 IslandLibertarian  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:25:53pm

oh fer gawds sake! GF is watching "The Happening".........should I tell her, "The trees did it."?

13 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:26:12pm

re: #11 Opilio

One morning, I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I don't know.

Then we tried to remove the tusks...but they were embedded in so firmly that we couldn't budge them. Of course, in Alabama, the Tusk-a-loosa. But, uh, that's entirely irrelephant to what I was talking about.

14 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:28:49pm

I'm going to watch '7 pounds' with my wife soon.
I hope Phil is gone. Funny how we didn't weed him out, he pretty much caused it to happen.

15 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:29:01pm

re: #13 Opilio

Then we tried to remove the tusks...but they were embedded in so firmly that we couldn't budge them. Of course, in Alabama, the Tusk-a-loosa. But, uh, that's entirely irrelephant to what I was talking about.

are you seeing any pink elephants right now? :-)

16 gtrs  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:29:39pm

MAGIC! nuff said...............

17 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:30:11pm

Late Night Lizards, Rock!
IMHO....

18 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:30:45pm

Did Phil. get the stick yet?

19 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:30:59pm

re: #15 Desert Dog

Pink elephants with his jammies on.

20 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:31:08pm

He's been very polite, so, maybe not, yet.....

21 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:31:33pm

re: #19 Pvt Bin Jammin

Pic-a-tures?

22 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:32:34pm

re: #20 Floral Giraffe

I'm wondering if Phil didn't hang out because he wanted to get the stick so he could claim persecution somewhere else.

23 Opilio  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:32:42pm

re: #15 Desert Dog

are you seeing any pink elephants right now? :-)

No, but there is a 6' 3" rabbit named Harvey snoring loudly in the recliner.

24 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:33:01pm

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Don't think so... not yet. Perhaps we will yet receive more enlightenment on how discussing the threat of theocratic/paleocon/neoconfederate ascension means we aren't true Scotsmen conservatives.

25 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:33:28pm

re: #3 Cygnus

So if we all look at Obama long enough, will he change into a conservative?

You'll laugh, but I've seen some of the real whackos on the right claim that Obama secretly uses hypnotic techniques and mind-manipulation on his audiences.

"Don't look into his eyes! He'll get you!"

Kind of scary that there are people who believe such things.

26 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:33:53pm

re: #23 Opilio

No, but there is a 6' 3" rabbit named Harvey snoring loudly in the recliner.

Give me that bottle, I will see him eventually

27 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:33:53pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

I'm wondering if Phil didn't hang out because he wanted to get the stick so he could claim persecution somewhere else.

That's the usual motivation. And, being detached from reality.

28 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:33:53pm

OK, I'm talking to myself. Might as well rock on....

Youtube Video
29 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:33:54pm

re: #21 Floral Giraffe

Only in my mind. LOL Just basing that on the previous comments.

Who's Phil?

30 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:34:06pm

re: #24 freetoken

His contempt for rationality was palpable.

31 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:36:22pm

"Phil." has not logged out yet. Just sayin'.

32 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:36:35pm

re: #25 iceweasel

You'll laugh, but I've seen some of the real whackos on the right claim that Obama secretly uses hypnotic techniques and mind-manipulation on his audiences.

"Don't look into his eyes! He'll get you!"

Kind of scary that there are people who believe such things.

I believe it was Ron Paul that claimed just that...

But just in case Look into the eyes....look.......

33 srb1976  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:37:15pm

re: #13 Opilio

Then we tried to remove the tusks...but they were embedded in so firmly that we couldn't budge them. Of course, in Alabama, the Tusk-a-loosa. But, uh, that's entirely irrelephant to what I was talking about.

For the Marx brothers fans out there, Duck Soup will be on TCM sometime in the next couple days.....got the DVR set, for that and The Quiet Man (my personal favorite)

34 theuglydougling  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:37:36pm

This place must be undergoing continued technical suffering. It's been nearly impossible lately for me to open the site. If I make it that far then I have to deal with it when I refresh the page or try to click into comments, etc. It's so frustrating. I need my fix!

35 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:38:24pm

re: #34 theuglydougling

Which browser are you using? I'm using the latest Safari and this site loads and works fine for me.

36 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:39:02pm

re: #29 Pvt Bin Jammin

Just looked at the bottom ten. Phil is not yet banned.

37 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:39:16pm

I have no problems with FireFox. But that probably has more to do with me being awesome.

38 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:40:18pm

re: #37 BigPapa

I have no problems with FireFox. But that probably has more to do with me being awesome.


Ya think?

39 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:40:43pm

re: #34 theuglydougling

This place must be undergoing continued technical suffering. It's been nearly impossible lately for me to open the site. If I make it that far then I have to deal with it when I refresh the page or try to click into comments, etc. It's so frustrating. I need my fix!

Time to ugrade the AOL 4.0 then! Come and join us in broadband, you will enjoy the experience much more!

Actually, try another browser? Chrome is fast, Safari is good....I am using Firefox....no problems at all. Or, Does your equipment need an upgrade? Try adding RAM or a larger HD....or, new machines are cheap! I'm on a Quad Core Intel with 4 gigs of RAM that cost me under $600 at Dell....I feel the need for speed.

40 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:40:57pm

I think Phil. is an angry creationist.

41 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:41:23pm

re: #37 BigPapa

I have no problems with FireFox. But that probably has more to do with me being awesome.

Your mojo adds a little speed to every website, eh? :-)

42 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:41:25pm

Wrote a little paper on The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle .
I doubt I could understand m point now. Although I have been told others do. lol

43 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:41:57pm

re: #37 BigPapa

My firefox is really slow now on lgf. If we're on a huge thread it takes me forever to get to the new one. It used to just fly. What's up with that?

44 freetoken  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:42:40pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

He claims to not believe it. Time will tell.

45 theuglydougling  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:42:58pm

I've been using Firefox for quite some time. The issue with the site has only been over the last couple or so weeks, IIRC. Everything else seems fine, so I'm not yet ready to throw my browser down the stairs.

46 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:43:44pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

I think Phil. is an angry creationist.

He's mad at us because he probably has some IDer or Paulbot frenz, if he's not a Paulbot or creationist himself.

47 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:44:12pm

re: #44 freetoken

I don't know why he would say this otherwise:

You're so obsessed with trying to find non-existent "Paulians" and "creationists" under every nook and corner, you've become what you hated - just a different offshoot of the Birchers crowd under new management.

A lot of contempt and hostility there.

48 theuglydougling  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:45:21pm

re: #39 Desert Dog

I appreciate your attempt at humor, but seriously - making the assumption that I have ever been an AOL user...well, those are fighting words. lol

49 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:45:25pm

re: #45 theuglydougling

I've been using Firefox for quite some time. The issue with the site has only been over the last couple or so weeks, IIRC. Everything else seems fine, so I'm not yet ready to throw my browser down the stairs.

Try

Chrome

or

Safari

Both are good....I am so used to Firefox, it's hard to change

50 Bobblehead  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:45:31pm

Zombies..Nazi Zombies

51 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:45:36pm

re: #43 Pvt Bin Jammin

Stinky! STIIINKAAAY!

52 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:45:39pm

I love Night At The Museum.

53 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:45:42pm

re: #32 Desert Dog

I believe it was Ron Paul that claimed just that...

But just in case Look into the eyes....look.......

That video is hilarious! Bookmarked!

i didn't realise Ron Paul had claimed that too. Not very surprised though.

54 Sharmuta  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:46:17pm

OK- 'Sabrina' awaits me. Back for Fruitcup™.

55 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:46:30pm

re: #52 pat

I love Night At The Museum.

Amy Adams is a cutie

56 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:48:35pm

re: #51 BigPapa

Stinky! STIIINKAAAY!

Stinkay is after me. OH Noes! I guess I was giving Charles a bad time over the hamsters moonlighting for the KIA commercials. LOL

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:48:39pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

Obsession/Possession.

58 Kronocide  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:48:49pm

Mrs BigPapa wants me to watch a movie with her. BBIAW.

59 theuglydougling  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:49:48pm

re: #49 Desert Dog

I am so used to Firefox, it's hard to change

Same here. I feel disdain for any site or app that mandates only using IE.

60 Desert Dog  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:50:01pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

Obsession/Possession.

Another take

Youtube Video
61 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:50:08pm

re: #58 BigPapa

Mrs BigPapa wants me to watch a movie with her. BBIAW.

A whole movie? See ya manana. Enjoy.

62 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:50:45pm

re: #43 Pvt Bin Jammin

LGF has been slow loading on some refreshers. And particularly if you comment on a link and try to return. I have no idea why.

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:51:26pm

re: #50 Bobblehead

Zombies..Nazi Zombies

I linked that trailer here almost a year ago. When the hell will they actually release that film?

64 pat  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:51:59pm

Yum. Cherry Chocolate Chip Ice Cream. (and a serious work out tomorrow)

65 Bobblehead  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:54:10pm

re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth

I linked that trailer here almost a year ago. When the hell will they actually release that film?

Ein Zwei Die LOL

66 theuglydougling  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:54:38pm

Well, at least it has been a little better tonight; still slow, but better. And as a result, I'm up way too late. Good night, fellow reptilian vermin.

67 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:56:36pm

re: #62 pat

LGF has been slow loading on some refreshers. And particularly if you comment on a link and try to return. I have no idea why.

I have to hit that button that helps it reload/refresh. It takes forever. A short thread to another short thread, not so much. I feel like I am back on IE sometimes.

68 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, May 30, 2009 11:58:50pm

re: #66 theuglydougling

Well, at least it has been a little better tonight; still slow, but better. And as a result, I'm up way too late. Good night, fellow reptilian vermin.

Nite, sweet dreams.

Better watch out. Red C will be here soon, locked and loaded for vermin.

69 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:07:24am

An open thread! This gives me an opportunity to discuss some of the unique modifications that the Santa Fe Railway made to their diesel locomotive fleet.

Perhaps the best-known example would be the CF7, which stands for 'Converted F7'. Basically as the F7s were approaching the end of their service life, they were used primarily for local and short-haul freights (the conversion program took place within a year or two of the formation of Amtrak). The F7 was basically designed to haul passengers or freight from point A to point B- not travel from point A to a grain elevator 15 miles away, switch a bunch of cars and return to point A. Part of the problem was the lack of an external walkway on the original F7s as well as firm, sturdy steps for the conductor to climb on and off the locomotive with (especially problematic in the winters when the exterior would ice up). It was also difficult for the engineer to see his train from the cab. So while overhauling the original engine, Santa Fe decided to scrap the trucks, carbody and frame, building a new one from secartch.
This turned out to be very succesful, as over 200 CF7s were porduced by Santa Fe. Although they were stricken from Santa Fe's roster by 1987, there was a number of shortlines and reigonals at the time who were quite interested in purchasing them secondhand. Amtrak even acquired some for Maintainence of Way service, trading them some SDP40Fs in exchange for the CF7s and switchers. To this day, many shortlines are still using their CF7s.

The SD26 was a little less successful by comparison. The SD26 was Santa Fe's modification of the EMD SD24- the SD24 itself never really took off as a production locomotive. Santa Fe gave their SD24 fleet new filters and a prime mover which resulted in an output of 2650 HP (versus the original 2400HP). They were able to nurse another 20 years out of them after the rebuild, but in the 1980s most of them were traded to EMD new GP50s or scrapped. A few of them were sold to Guilford Transportation, where two of them soldier on to this day.

There's also Santa Fe's SFC30- a six-axle behemoth that was originally built by General Electric as a U36C. Santa Fe de-rated them from 3600 HP to about 3100 HP and modified the cabs. Although those are all off the roster now, some of them continue in service as 'rent-a-wrecks' or have been sold off south of the border.

Yet...as busy as the Santa Fe shop forces were with those projects, they pale in comparison to the work done in Illinois Central's Paducah, KY shops over the same timeframe.

70 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:07:40am

Where is Desert Sage? LOL

Is anybody here?

71 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:10:19am

re: #70 Pvt Bin Jammin

Where is Desert Sage? LOL

Is anybody here?

Just checking in on breaks....I can only do the hands and knees thing for so long these days

72 eddiespaghetti  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:10:45am

Don't want to end on a negative note, OUT;

73 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:12:00am

Goodnight. This Lizard is sleeeeeepy....
Will wake up with the sun on the favorite morning rock....
But for now...
Sleepy times!

Take care & stay scaly, Lizards!

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:12:57am

re: #65 Bobblehead

Seriously, I linked to that trailer here nearly a year ago. When the hell will that film come out here in the states? No matter how schlocky or corny the film is, I'll likely love it.

In case you did not know, I have a certain media obsession. I love playing video games where I get to shoot at nazis. I also love video games where I get to shoot a zombies.

Castle Wolfenstein series... shooting at nazi zombies. Dork heaven for me.

Can't wait to see this film.

75 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:14:42am

re: #73 Floral Giraffe

G'nite, paisley possum!

76 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:15:35am

re: #71 srb1976

Just checking in on breaks....I can only do the hands and knees thing for so long these days

OMG my knobby knees would die.

LOL I actually saw Desert Sage tonight. He used to post all of the time but now he is mostly on a "dirt bike" blog where the members have a private area where they can talk politics. He said he posted "where is Pvt Bin Jammin?" at O'dark thirty yesterday.

77 Desert Dog  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:19:21am

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously, I linked to that trailer here nearly a year ago. When the hell will that film come out here in the states? No matter how schlocky or corny the film is, I'll likely love it.

In case you did not know, I have a certain media obsession. I love playing video games where I get to shoot at nazis. I also love video games where I get to shoot a zombies.

Castle Wolfenstein series... shooting at nazi zombies. Dork heaven for me.

Can't wait to see this film.

Dr. Otto Giftmacher must be stopped!

78 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:20:23am

re: #76 Pvt Bin Jammin

Always nice to catch up with folks you haven't seen in awhile = )

79 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:21:07am

re: #31 Sharmuta

"Phil." has not logged out yet. Just sayin'.

Thank our lucky stars. Repetitious flouncing trolls like him make me gassy.

And you do not want me to be gassy, trust me.

80 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:21:35am

I loved Wolfentstein. I still have it on 5.25 disk.

81 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:23:58am

re: #43 Pvt Bin Jammin

My firefox is really slow now on lgf. If we're on a huge thread it takes me forever to get to the new one. It used to just fly. What's up with that?

My problems with lgf, slow loading on largish threads, can be directly related to my OS, not my browser.

Yes, I am a knuckle-dragging neanderthal still using Win98SE. And have no intentions upgrading unless I am forced into by having this PC do the dead cockroach.

82 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:25:21am

re: #78 srb1976

Always nice to catch up with folks you haven't seen in awhile = )

I agree! Good to see you too. Hope you are almost done.

83 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:26:12am

Wow...informative and some stellar photography to boot.

84 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:29:12am

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh my god, that movie looks GREAT!

If this is the dork confession thread, mine is that I looove horror movies. Especially zombie ones.

In fact, I can think of at least two other recent horror movies involving Nazis that were good: one involving Nazi zombies, and one involving Nazi werewolves.

I can't wait to see this.

85 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:29:20am

re: #81 FurryOldGuyJeans

My problems with lgf, slow loading on largish threads, can be directly related to my OS, not my browser.

Yes, I am a knuckle-dragging neanderthal still using Win98SE. And have no intentions upgrading unless I am forced into by having this PC do the dead cockroach.

LOL I think I have XP but that is probably ancient by now. You would not believe how long I used Windows 95 and Netscape 4.5 as my browser. I was kinda proud to hear that Netscape was related to Mozilla.

86 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:29:34am

There was a man upon the stair.
A little man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
how I wish he'd go away.

87 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:33:10am

I am crashing on the keyboard, lizards. Take care, everybody. Goodnight.

88 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:34:46am

re: #69 Fenway_Nation

The F7 style of train is forever my favorite. I love that streamlined, almost Deco look they had. And the old trains always used the best fonts.

89 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:34:52am

re: #87 Pvt Bin Jammin

'Night PBJ!

90 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:35:02am

re: #82 Pvt Bin Jammin

I agree! Good to see you too. Hope you are almost done.

Done with the living room! Victory is mine = )

91 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:35:14am

re: #85 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL I think I have XP but that is probably ancient by now. You would not believe how long I used Windows 95 and Netscape 4.5 as my browser. I was kinda proud to hear that Netscape was related to Mozilla.

XP is still supported by M$.

I have nipped and tucked the OS so much, and done so many tweaks to the hardware. I have had this particular box for 10 years now.

92 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:40:21am

Wow, was it something I said or the Fantastic fumes?

93 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:40:29am

re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth

It looks like a wonderful film! I don't know, has anyone else watched "Shock Waves"? It's a cheesy classic starring Peter Cushing and underwater Nazi zombies. I had to scour the earth to find a copy on DVD.

Youtube Video
94 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:42:06am

re: #88 theheat

You'll be pleased to know that there's several surviving examples of the F7 carbody that have been preserved. Some Class 1 railways such as Kansas City Southern or Canadian Pacific have some on hand to power their executive trains as well.

95 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:43:12am

Thanks, lizards, manana.

Fenway, I read your train post. I went all over the US in 1958 via train with my grandmother. I think one of the locomotives looked like that first picture. Those were the "olden days". LOL I remember being on the B.O. railroad, around Ohio, I think. It was a fun trip & I'll never forget it. We started in Portland, Oregon, went to Seattle, Chicago, NYC, back to Ohio, down to DC, then Tennessee, New Orleans, Texas and Los Angeles. Woot!

96 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:45:40am

re: #93 theheat

It looks like a wonderful film! I don't know, has anyone else watched "Shock Waves"? It's a cheesy classic starring Peter Cushing and underwater Nazi zombies. I had to scour the earth to find a copy on DVD.

[Video]

I haven't seen that! I love the cheesy classics, especially Peter Cushing. Thanks, i'll definitely have to check that out.

For another Nazi Zombie movie...this is a little British independent film from last year which is incredibly good--it's called Outpost.

Youtube Video
97 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:46:03am

re: #94 Fenway_Nation

Every now and then I look at some of those sites that sell old trains, and those old classics don't go cheap. Many are off tracks, rotting someplace. I've seen very few of the restored models for sale. Transportation alone would break the average Joe. Still, I'd love to have one of those old train cars as my office. Mr. Heat and I have traveled a little bit and eaten in a few of those old train cars-turned-restaurant, which is one of the reasons I kind of fell in love with them. I like anything Deco-ish.

98 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:47:27am

re: #96 iceweasel

I just watched that on cable last week! It's a pretty good little film, and not even all that cheesy.

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:48:00am

re: #84 iceweasel

Heh, you're a freak. I like that.

100 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:48:46am

re: #93 theheat

Ach! Nakedbaben in das Wasser. Wunderbar! Wo is der Christopher lee?

101 freetoken  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:49:17am

re: #83 Fenway_Nation

Agree. This train image is excellent.

102 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:49:57am

re: #98 theheat

The UK trailer I posted doesn't do it justice, really. neither does the US one but it's a little better:

Youtube Video

How funny that you just saw that!

103 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:50:29am

re: #100 BatGuano

Probably doing a Dracula film. He did a few of those. He and Cushing were great friends is real life, which only seems fitting.

104 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:51:14am

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

heh. So are you, and I like that in you. ;)

105 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:52:00am

re: #102 iceweasel

I have watched horror movies from the time I was a wee thing. When a new one comes along that looks good, I try to catch it. I have a pretty extensive collection on DVD. I prefer the cheesy and unusual, love the B movies, and avoid torture pron like the plague.

106 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:52:22am

re: #103 theheat

Glad to here they were friends. I loved those films in my youth.

107 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:57:23am

re: #106 BatGuano

Christopher Lee s quoted as saying Peter Cushing was his closest friend, and he and his wife were also friends of Boris Karloff. Quite the monster movie circle. Both Cushing and Lee served during WWII.

108 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 12:59:24am

re: #105 theheat

Wow, agree with you on all that!

I can't pick a favourite cheesy one. Horror Express, Fiend without a Face, THE Dunwich Horror would all be right up there.

Like you, I avoid torture porn too. I trend more towards the offbeat independent films. The UK has made some excellent ones in the last few years.

109 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:00:06am

re: #97 theheat

One can daydream.....lord know I do.

I'm actually partial to the SD40 and its variants....angular, brawny, loud. Very unpretentious and no-nonsense....very American.

Of course, none of this would be possible without the F7 preceeding it.

110 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:01:10am

re: #107 theheat

I did not know any of that, it's very cool.

111 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:02:14am

re: #107 theheat

Christopher Lee s quoted as saying Peter Cushing was his closest friend, and he and his wife were also friends of Boris Karloff. Quite the monster movie circle. Both Cushing and Lee served during WWII.

I didn't know that. I heard a story (don't remember who said in the seventies) Boris Karloff went to Bela Lugosi's funeral, looked into the coffin and said, "You wouldn't be putting me on , would you"?

112 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:02:22am

re: #109 Fenway_Nation

One can daydream.....lord know I do.

I'm actually partial to the SD40 and its variants....angular, brawny, loud. Very unpretentious and no-nonsense....very American.

Of course, none of this would be possible without the F7 preceeding it.

Well, thanks to all the train nostalgia, I had to look up the railroad dad used to work for.....turns out they don't exist anymore....

113 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:02:29am

re: #108 iceweasel

I can't really pick a favorite, I like so many. One of the delightfully cheesy ones is The Bat, with Agnes Moorehead and Vincent Price, if you haven't seen it. Attack of the Giant Leeches is another. A great old Japanese film (very hard to find) is Attack of the Mushroom People. I think Nosferatu is still one of the best, even today.

114 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:03:03am

re: #111 BatGuano

Peter Lorre said, "Maybe we should put a stake in his heart, just to be sure."

115 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:03:22am

re: #112 srb1976

Not too surprising. What was the name of the railway?

116 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:04:12am

Chicago and northwestern.....bought out and absorbed by UP

117 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:05:36am

re: #114 theheat

Peter Lorre said, "Maybe we should put a stake in his heart, just to be sure."

That's funny! I hope it's true.

118 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:06:05am

re: #109 Fenway_Nation

I would probably take a lot of different models in a pinch ;-) But the Deco/streamliner models are my all-time favorites. Very Metropolis.

119 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:06:54am

re: #113 theheat

I've been hearing about the Bat for years....I really have to see it. I love Vincent Price, of course.
I haven't seen the other two you mention, but I completely agree about Nosferatu. The 70's remake was awful though.

Have you seen "Låt den rätte komma in"/ Let the Right One In? Norwegian vampire movie, subtitled, I think it can be streamed on NetFlix right now....I really liked that. Creepy and good. It's really less a vampire movie and more about isolation and loneliness.

120 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:09:40am

re: #101 freetoken

I've hardly scratched the surface of the archives, Freetoken. It's been a little more difficult to keep track of Mexico's railways since Ferrocarriles Nacional de Mexico (FNM) was privatized some 11 years ago. At varying times Carlos Slim, the Kansas City Southern Railway and Transportes Maratimo Mexicano all had huge stakes in splitting up the lines.

121 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:10:41am

re: #119 iceweasel

Nope, haven't seen that one, but I'll look for it. The good foreign films are so much more accessible now, you can usually find them on Amazon. One of the local video stores had a pretty good collection, and went out of business a few years ago. I probably bought half of their horror section.

It's one of my little hobbies Mr. Heat doesn't quite understand. Then again, he thinks Grisham novels are masterpieces.

122 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:10:55am

re: #116 srb1976

Chicago and northwestern.....bought out and absorbed by UP

Ah yes....not too many railways west of the Mississippi haven't been absorbed by Union Pacific at this point.

123 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:11:54am

re: #122 Fenway_Nation

Ah yes....not too many railways west of the Mississippi haven't been absorbed by Union Pacific at this point.

It was kind of a logical move....i think their switchyards in Council Bluffs were across the street from each other.....

124 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:13:50am

The first Nosferatu I saw was a 1920's version . It was silent and I thought it was superior to all others. But I'm old. :)

125 Aisha  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:14:11am

Kufr, it is a proven fact that trains were invented by Nabi (SAW), a thousand years before the kufr stole the invention. And besides, where would you Jew-pigs and monkeys be without Islamic algebra?

126 Aisha  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:15:20am

And excrement of the bat rear private part, you wil go to jahanum unless you repent. All such images are haraam.

127 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:15:54am

Combining old trains and horror/sci-fi/mystery - we hosted a Orient Express themed Halloween party a few years ago. That counts, doesn't it?

128 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:16:35am

re: #123 srb1976

Union Pacific took over Southern Pacific's operations around the same time they absorbed C&NW. UP had trouble digesting both of them simultaneously, which lead to fatal wrecks caused by crew fatigue and entire trains being abandoned on sidings in the middle of the desert because there were no crews available.

129 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:16:45am

re: #121 theheat

One of the local video stores had a pretty good collection, and went out of business a few years ago. I probably bought half of their horror section.

You were probably one of the main people keeping them open!
It's sad the way the quirky independent small stores have been driven out of business. My local place that had a good selection also shut down a while ago.

I'd love to have a collection like you someday. The internet helps a lot now in terms of finding stuff too, especially from other countries.

130 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:16:56am

re: #124 BatGuano

Even if you were born yesterday, you're right, it's still the best version.

131 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:17:00am

re: #126 Aisha

And excrement of the bat rear private part, you wil go to jahanum unless you repent. All such images are haraam.

What was that about Bat?

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:17:58am

re: #104 iceweasel

Tip of the iceberg. I may not be a "liberal" by any means, nor on many subjects, but my freakness runs deep.

Thickfreakness.

133 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:18:01am

re: #124 BatGuano

The first Nosferatu I saw was a 1920's version . It was silent and I thought it was superior to all others. But I'm old. :)

I thought it was too. :)

134 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:18:40am

re: #128 Fenway_Nation

Union Pacific took over Southern Pacific's operations around the same time they absorbed C&NW. UP had trouble digesting both of them simultaneously, which lead to fatal wrecks caused by crew fatigue and entire trains being abandoned on sidings in the middle of the desert because there were no crews available.

I'm so bad I can't even remember the name of the railroad that hauls scrap in for us.....I opened enough of there invoices, but cannot for the life of me remember which railroad it is

135 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:19:08am

re: #125 Aisha

Which must be why Dar Es Salaam has to import their locomotives from the Kuffars in the USA, Ukraine, Canada, China or France.

136 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:20:08am

re: #134 srb1976

Sounds like a shortline. Whereabouts does it operate?

137 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:20:51am

re: #136 Fenway_Nation

Sounds like a shortline. Whereabouts does it operate?

North Alabama for sure...

138 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:22:26am

re: #137 srb1976

And it's not Norfolk Southern or CSX?

139 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:23:04am

re: #138 Fenway_Nation

And it's not Norfolk Southern or CSX?

Norfolk southern....that's it....could not remember that

140 theheat  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:23:31am

I'm still cleaning out the spare room... days later. I don't know I'll ever finish. Anyway, I'm off to go move heavy and forgotten things. Please save me some fruitcup...

141 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:25:11am

re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth

Tip of the iceberg. I may not be a "liberal" by any means, nor on many subjects, but my freakness runs deep.

Thickfreakness.

I never even heard of those guys before. That was great!

Everybody needs at least a little streak of freak in them, I think.

142 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:25:23am

re: #140 theheat

I'm still cleaning out the spare room... days later. I don't know I'll ever finish. Anyway, I'm off to go move heavy and forgotten things. Please save me some fruitcup...

No problem. I'll hide it me tummy. :)

143 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:25:29am

re: #140 theheat

I'm still cleaning out the spare room... days later. I don't know I'll ever finish. Anyway, I'm off to go move heavy and forgotten things. Please save me some fruitcup...

I'm still trying to talk myself into or out of taking the toothbrush to the edges of the kitchen floor.....tough call!

144 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:25:53am

re: #140 theheat

So long! hope it goes well!

145 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:28:08am

re: #125 Aisha

Kufr, it is a proven fact that trains were invented by Nabi (SAW), a thousand years before the kufr stole the invention. And besides, where would you Jew-pigs and monkeys be without Islamic algebra?

Rong time no see! How goes conquer infidels? Nucrear Weapons come in mighty handy. Don't you wish you had some?

146 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:29:32am

Ok...back in a bit

147 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:29:36am

re: #143 srb1976

I'm still trying to talk myself into or out of taking the toothbrush to the edges of the kitchen floor.....tough call!

I recommend not do that. Make toothbrush taste funny.

148 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:31:33am

re: #125 Aisha

AISHA! :-)

I thought you guys invented "zero"?

/and by the way, thanks for nothing!

149 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:31:45am

Damn. Yankee pigdogs always sleeping.

150 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:32:31am

re: #139 srb1976


OK....Norfolk Southern is definitely not a shortline.

/Thought I'd have to play guess the WATCO or Rail America affiliate there.

151 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:38:30am

re: #149 Kim Jong-Il

Damn. Yankee pigdogs always sleeping.

Chew on this, nork!

Youtube Video
152 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:40:29am

Oh my....the infomercials have started....

153 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:41:56am

re: #152 srb1976

Oh my....the infomercials have started....

Turn off the tv...step away.

154 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:43:09am

re: #153 BatGuano

Turn off the tv...step away.

TV is mostly background noise anyway......

155 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:43:16am

re: #152 srb1976

Must....buy....ShamWow

156 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:45:50am

re: #155 Fenway_Nation

Must....buy....ShamWow

the last thing I was tempted to buy was a Titan peeler....only because better half thought it looked cool

157 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:45:58am

re: #154 srb1976

TV is mostly background noise anyway......

What was that? gotta turn down the TV.

158 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:47:12am

OK....vince is pretty creepy......WTF is up with that earpiece? Who's he talking to?

Urge to buy ShamWow....fading......fading....

159 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:48:32am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation

OK....vince is pretty creepy......WTF is up with that earpiece? Who's he talking to?

Urge to buy ShamWow....fading......fading....

But wait! You will get Two Sham wows for 19.95!

160 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:49:30am

Aisha cracks me up.

161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:49:32am

re: #141 iceweasel

A gritty two piece, lo-fi thang. They appeal to my punk/metal inclinations for some reason.

I am not sophisticated enough to pontificate on the nuances of music.

I just dig what I dig.

162 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:49:58am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation

OK....vince is pretty creepy......WTF is up with that earpiece? Who's he talking to?

Urge to buy ShamWow....fading......fading....

He's talking to you silly....you just don't know it yet = )

163 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:50:45am

re: #126 Aisha

And excrement of the bat rear private part, you wil go to jahanum unless you repent. All such images are haraam.

This one is classic. I stuck it in my favorites.

164 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:52:37am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation


Urge to buy ShamWow....fading......fading....

RISING!.....fading....fading...gone. ;)

165 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:55:06am

re: #164 iceweasel

RISING!.....fading....fading...gone. ;)


But it can absorb twelve times its weight in trick photography!

166 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:55:33am

BTW- 'Sabrina' was lovely, of course.

167 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:55:54am

re: #158 Fenway_Nation

Now you've done it. You have no one to blame but yourself.

This.

168 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:57:00am

re: #164 iceweasel

RISING!.....fading....fading...gone. ;)


Sounds like TaePoDong II.

169 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:57:49am

Wait, wait, wait. Aisha AND Kin Jong-Il in one overnight thread? This is too much.

170 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:58:09am

re: #169 Sharmuta

I meant Kim. Please don't send me to the gulag.

171 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:58:33am

The movie? Humphrey Bogart, Audrey Hepburn, et al?

172 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:58:44am

re: #168 Kim Jong-Il

Sounds like TaePoDong II.

Don't you mean "sounds rike"?

Please don't send me to the gulag!

173 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:59:01am

re: #171 littleoldlady

Of course. Think I'd watch a crappy remake?

174 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 1:59:29am

re: #152 srb1976

Oh my....the infomercials have started....

See what you've done?

175 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

176 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:00:27am

re: #175 littleoldlady

Thanks, {littleoldlady}!

177 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:01:20am

re: #175 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

Thank yo littleodlady!

178 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:02:14am

re: #177 BatGuano

I meant you, not yo.

179 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:02:15am

BTW, lol. I owm the original 'Sabrina' on DVD. It was gifted to me in a box set and I hadn't gotten to watching it until tonight. My Gram turned me on to Audrey Hepburn when I was a girl- 'Sabrina' was one of the first AH films we watched together. I hated the remake.

180 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:02:40am

re: #165 BatGuano

But it can absorb twelve times its weight in trick photography!

You are cracking me up!

181 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:03:00am

re: #179 Sharmuta

GAH! I can't keep my Ns and Ms straight. Perhaps I should get some sleep.

182 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:03:18am

re: #179 Sharmuta

The one with Harrison Ford?

183 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:03:33am

re: #182 BatGuano

Yes- I hated it.

184 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:04:09am

{Sharmuta}! :-)

I can't even remember WHO was in that crappy remake. Hmmmm...

185 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:04:29am

re: #179 Sharmuta

That's so nice. What a nice way to have spent time with your grandmother too, growing up. I love Audrey Hepburn. I never bothered to see the remake; I knew I would hate it.

186 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:05:17am

BatGuano! :-)

Or should I say, excrement of the bat rear private part? ;-)

Ah, Harrison Ford. Right.

187 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:05:44am

re: #184 littleoldlady

That's what the internet is for! Crappy Remake

188 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:05:52am

re: #186 littleoldlady

LOL

189 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:06:08am

Yay! break time with fruit cup!

190 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:06:17am

re: #179 Sharmuta

Roman Holiday is probably my favorite.

/ haven't had enough coffee yet to be sure...

191 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:07:02am

'Cause he's Kim Jong Il
Those problems he has getting off the launch pad
Can't be solved with just that little blue pill....

192 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:07:09am

re: #187 Sharmuta

Yeah. I remember it now. Sorta.

193 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:07:37am

srb1976! :-)

'Morning!

194 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:07:53am

re: #190 littleoldlady

My 3 DVD box set came with 'Sabrina', 'Breakfast at Tiffany's' and 'Roman Holiday', which is probably my favorite too.

195 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:08:51am

re: #185 iceweasel

I love older movies thanks to my Gram. I'm very glad we had those times together.

196 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:10:12am

re: #190 littleoldlady

Roman Holiday is probably my favorite.

/ haven't had enough coffee yet to be sure...

Roman Holiday with Audrey Hepburn and Gregory Peck was great.

197 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:10:27am

I guess I'm too much of a heathen...I never could get into a lot of the "classic" movies.....

Better half and I are very much looking forward to watching "The Quiet Man" when we finally get it on DVR (this week sometime).... that's about as close as I get to the "classics"

198 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:10:34am

The only Hepburn movie that I don't love is Funny Face.

/probably because Astaire looks funny to me without Rogers.

Oh! Oh! My Fair Lady!

/now I'm conflicted... ;-)

199 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:11:49am

I just realized- Linus Larabee's secretary was also the lady in It's a Wonderful Life that only asked for $18.

200 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:12:22am

re: #197 srb1976

I guess I'm too much of a heathen...I never could get into a lot of the "classic" movies.....

Better half and I are very much looking forward to watching "The Quiet Man" when we finally get it on DVR (this week sometime).... that's about as close as I get to the "classics"

It was of John Wayne's best movies. Enjoy!

201 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:13:16am

re: #199 Sharmuta

I just realized- Linus Larabee's secretary was also the lady in It's a Wonderful Life that only asked for $18.

Ellen Corby

202 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:13:56am

re: #197 srb1976

I guess I'm too much of a heathen...I never could get into a lot of the "classic" movies.....

Better half and I are very much looking forward to watching "The Quiet Man" when we finally get it on DVR (this week sometime).... that's about as close as I get to the "classics"

I LOVE that movie. It's my favorite John Wayne movie.

203 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:14:22am

And I LOVE Maureen O'Hara. Goddess of the screen, imo.

204 Neutral President  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:14:47am

re: #172 Sharmuta

Don't you mean "sounds rike"?

Please don't send me to the gulag!

"Drink eighty fi cent! You pay or go!"

205 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:14:50am

re: #200 BatGuano

It was of John Wayne's best movies. Enjoy!

One of my all time favorites too....always did like John Wayne best in his "funny" roles
(McClintock is another favorite of mine)

206 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:15:44am

re: #203 Sharmuta

And I LOVE Maureen O'Hara. Goddess of the screen, imo.

She and John Wayne had such great chemistry, in so many movies....good stuff

207 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:15:48am

re: #191 Fenway_Nation

'Cause he's Kim Jong Il
Those problems he has getting off the launch pad
Can't be solved with just that little blue pill....

You will think "raunch pad" when Taiwan goes up in Vaporize. Surprise! Ha-ha, you not expecting Taiwan, I know.
I remember Grafitti or protest sign from Iiran, years ago. Right on front page of newspaper, Iran people march in street, big sign say: "U.S. cannot do a damned thing". This after Iran President say same thing. This after Ayatollah say same thing, famousry.
You sense pattern start, here?
Twenty years I win this game. Iran even more long. And you know what? America not do a damned thing. Ever.

208 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:17:03am

re: #197 srb1976

I guess I'm too much of a heathen...I never could get into a lot of the "classic" movies.....

Better half and I are very much looking forward to watching "The Quiet Man" when we finally get it on DVR (this week sometime).... that's about as close as I get to the "classics"

I'm kind of a heathen too, actually. I'm woefully ignorant about classic movies. I've never seen the Quiet Man.

My ex had been a film student and he made me watch Citizen Kane, which I thought was great, but he would rave about its camera angles and shots and I just never notice those things. I just like the things I like, as Slumbering Behemoth said upthread about music--I'm pretty unsophisticated.

209 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:17:56am

re: #206 srb1976

She and John Wayne had such great chemistry, in so many movies....good stuff

Only woman he liked working with.

210 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:19:07am

re: #209 Sharmuta

They were best friends.

211 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:19:41am

re: #208 iceweasel

I'm kind of a heathen too, actually. I'm woefully ignorant about classic movies. I've never seen the Quiet Man.

My ex had been a film student and he made me watch Citizen Kane, which I thought was great, but he would rave about its camera angles and shots and I just never notice those things. I just like the things I like, as Slumbering Behemoth said upthread about music--I'm pretty unsophisticated.


I'm kind of the same way...something either catches my attention or it doesn't....but the Quiet Man is a must see....if you run across it channel surfing stop and watch....hilarious

212 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:20:11am

re: #172 Sharmuta

Don't you mean "sounds rike"?

Please don't send me to the gulag!

Gulag such poor term for Kim-Il Sung-Inspired management centers. No Juche in Old Soviet Gulag, and look what happen to Soviet.

Management Centers divided usefully into two types for political and one type for minor thing. All have 100% success rate.

Also, not one Jew in North Korea.

But those who endured the camps are anything but indifferent. They describe a level of savagery that satellite photographs can never convey. Nor does the Orwellian terminology for the camps reveal much. Political prisons are called "management centers." Those centers, in turn, are divided into two categories: "complete control zones," with life imprisonment, and "revolutionizing process zones," from where some inmates, principally family members, might eventually return to society. The prisoners are banally referred to as "resettlers." Other camps, dubbed "re-education" places, lump together common criminals and political prisoners.

213 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:22:55am

Damn. How to use quote function?

214 Neutral President  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:23:06am

re: #212 Kim Jong-Il

Gulag such poor term for Kim-Il Sung-Inspired management centers.

Yeah, I believe they are called "Gurags" there now for short.

215 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:23:13am

re: #210 littleoldlady

Littleoldlady, I'll you my favorite movie of all time, if you'll tell me yours.

216 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:23:59am

re: #212 Kim Jong-Il

Didn't you mean "poritical"? Your accent is much better. Those re-education camps really do work, huh?

217 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:24:37am

Goddess

218 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:24:58am

re: #213 Kim Jong-Il

Damn. How to use quote function?

Just crick the rink.

219 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:25:09am

re: #211 srb1976

I'm kind of the same way...something either catches my attention or it doesn't....but the Quiet Man is a must see....if you run across it channel surfing stop and watch....hilarious

I'll make a point of seeing it sometime for sure. You could drive a truck through the many holes in my movie education--there are so many famous ones that I haven't seen. I never even saw It's A Wonderful Life until I was 18, I think.

220 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:25:51am

re: #217 Sharmuta

Goddess

She was fabulous for a long time too.....didn't know she was singer til just a minute ago though....

221 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:26:34am

So romantic!

222 Neutral President  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:27:03am

re: #218 Sharmuta

Just crick the rink.

Or manuarry type the brockquote tags.

223 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:27:22am

re: #220 srb1976

Holey moley.

224 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:27:41am

re: #219 iceweasel

I'll make a point of seeing it sometime for sure. You could drive a truck through the many holes in my movie education--there are so many famous ones that I haven't seen. I never even saw It's A Wonderful Life until I was 18, I think.

Me too, I'm more likely to have read the book. My dad was huge John Wayne fan (every Saturday after cartoon...out came the John Wayne movies) it's been one of my favorites since I was kid and too young to get most of the jokes....

225 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:27:46am

Horey morey.

226 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:28:33am

re: #214 ArchangelMichael

Yeah, I believe they are called "Gurags" there now for short.

Always some rusty when first type English. Try your ChoSonMal.

227 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:28:56am

OK- bed time for me. Hope you guys have a great morning!

228 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:29:12am

re: #215 BatGuano

I'd never be able to decide! One of the best years was 1939.

Now, Voyager is another favorite.

229 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:30:12am

re: #227 Sharmuta

Good night, Sharmuta.

230 Neutral President  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:30:25am

re: #227 Sharmuta

OK- bed time for me. Hope you guys have a great morning!

The Three Amigos is on 5 Star Max right now. It's not helping with my insomnia.

231 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:30:26am

re: #228 littleoldlady

I'd never be able to decide! One of the best years was 1939.

Now, Voyager is another favorite.

I would have to go with 'Gone With the Wind' as my all time favorite.

Good night.

232 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:31:08am

re: #223 BatGuano


I'm sure you meant 'Horey morey'

233 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:31:35am

re: #231 Sharmuta

I would have to go with 'Gone With the Wind' as my all time favorite.

Good night.

Nite! take it easy

234 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:32:21am

re: #231 Sharmuta

I would have to go with 'Gone With the Wind' as my all time favorite.

Good night.

Dream of me.

235 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:32:35am

re: #224 srb1976

Me too, I'm more likely to have read the book. My dad was huge John Wayne fan (every Saturday after cartoon...out came the John Wayne movies) it's been one of my favorites since I was kid and too young to get most of the jokes....

That's so funny--my dad loved the Quiet Man and watched it every year. Somehow though I still have never seen it.

236 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:33:17am

re: #231 Sharmuta

I would have to go with 'Gone With the Wind' as my all time favorite.

Good night.

Good night!

237 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:33:19am

re: #228 littleoldlady

I'd never be able to decide! One of the best years was 1939.

Now, Voyager is another favorite.

Betty Davis is one my favorite actresses. Check out, The petrified forest if you haven't already

238 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:34:09am

'Night, Sharmuta! :-)

239 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:34:57am

re: #232 Fenway_Nation

Yup, that's it!

240 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:36:28am

re: #237 BatGuano

Oh, yeah! I know that one. Excellent movie!

241 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:36:44am

re: #235 iceweasel

That's so funny--my dad loved the Quiet Man and watched it every year. Somehow though I still have never seen it.

It was one of the few that I looked forward to. The Quiet Man, McClintock, Big Jake, and Donovan's reef....my favorite John Wayne movies....took me a long time to appreciate them, but those I will watch whenever I catch them on TV

242 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:39:02am

re: #237 BatGuano

Leslie Howard, Humphrey Bogart, etc,

243 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:46:27am

re: #242 BatGuano

Casablanca!

244 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:47:08am

BatGuano,

Check out this list. I'll watch (and like) almost anything with Barbara Stanwyk (sp), Bette Davis, Jean Arthur, Judy Holiday, Jimmy Stewart, Cary Grant, Gary Cooper, Robert Taylor...I'm leaving a lot out! ;-)

245 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:47:49am

re: #243 iceweasel

Casablanca!

We'll always have Paris.

246 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:51:35am

Grown so damn ugly.

Some potentially NSFW images at that link.

247 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:52:54am

re: #244 littleoldlady

My favorite movie of all time is Lawrence of Arabia.. And I love Jean Arthur (Mr, Smith Goes to Washington.)

248 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:55:21am

re: #245 BatGuano

We'll always have Paris.

I remember every detail. The Germans wore gray, you wore blue.

249 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 2:59:57am

No aspic for dinner!

Rosalind Russell. I forgot Rosalind Russell.

Which reminds me of another favorite.

250 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:02:34am

re: #247 BatGuano

My favorite movie of all time is Lawrence of Arabia.. And I love Jean Arthur (Mr, Smith Goes to Washington.)

Now that's one I have seen....love Mr. Smith goes to Washington

251 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:04:48am

And just about everything that Frank Capra did.

Arsenic and Old Lace.

"Where am I?"

"Oh. Here I am!"

(Peter Lorre in the dark ;-)

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:06:03am

re: #249 littleoldlady

Crab meat! Crab meat?

/bottom feeding insects

253 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:06:17am

re: #246 Slumbering Behemoth

Grown so damn ugly.

Some potentially NSFW images at that link.

I just have to tell you I'm loving all your music posts. Thanks for introducing me to these guys; I'm loving them.

I'm going to post some music for you some time, but I feel like these guys are just providing the perfect groove here, and I don't want to interrupt it!

254 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:06:30am

re: #251 littleoldlady

re: #251 littleoldlady

"Insanity doesn't run in this family.
It practically gallops"!

255 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:09:23am

On a side note, I have scrubbed all the grout in the living room floor with an electric toothbrush over the course of the night....and around the edges in the kitchen too

256 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:10:35am

re: #255 srb1976

Are you on meth? :)

257 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:11:53am

re: #255 srb1976

Okay, that's nuts.

/electric toothbrush? why didn't I think of that!

;-)

258 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:12:12am

re: #256 BatGuano

Are you on meth? :)

Nope, but night shift starts tonight and better half's birthday is this coming weekend

259 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:13:12am

re: #258 srb1976

Happy Birthday!

260 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:13:14am

re: #257 littleoldlady

Okay, that's nuts.

/electric toothbrush? why didn't I think of that!

;-)

I tried to find a power scrubber, but no one has them.....electric toothbrush is better than the manual type for grout though

261 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:15:01am

re: #259 BatGuano

Happy Birthday!

thanks, I'll pass it along....the one day a year I get to remind him that he's a cradle robber = )

But that gives me 6 days to get ready for his party....human wrecking balls disguised as children are sleeping....got to be up anyway...what better time to scrub grout?

262 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:17:46am

re: #261 srb1976

Makes perfect sense. More power to ya. :)

263 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:19:57am

re: #262 BatGuano

Makes perfect sense. More power to ya. :)

The tile floor is easy to clean and lovely but super slick when wet....have to wait til the kiddies are sleeping or gone to scrub to avoid cracked skulls.....

264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:20:52am

re: #253 iceweasel

Strange, 'cuz I am usually all about the death metal/ speed metal, and the Black Sabbath type of metal. And certain types of punk. And...

The Black Keys appeal to me for some reason. No way to nail that down, I just like it.

265 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:22:25am

re: #263 srb1976

Good thinking.

266 littleoldlady  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:26:42am

Okay...

/WHO started this, anyway?!

Now I have to go watch a movie.

Good day, ALL!™

267 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:28:38am

trying to decide if I should wait for the kiddies to get up, or just call it a night......not sure yet

268 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:29:44am

re: #266 littleoldlady

Okay...

/WHO started this, anyway?!

Now I have to go watch a movie.

Good day, ALL!™

Good day lol. "Carefree" is a great movie.Enjoy!

269 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:31:38am

re: #267 srb1976

How old are the kiddies?

270 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:32:01am

I'm finding myself really looking forward to Burn Notice starting up again this week......

271 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:33:02am

re: #269 BatGuano

How old are the kiddies?


Her Royal Stoutness is 19 months and Little Man is almost 5.....
Big Fun

272 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:33:09am

re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth

Strange, 'cuz I am usually all about the death metal/ speed metal, and the Black Sabbath type of metal. And certain types of punk. And...

The Black Keys appeal to me for some reason. No way to nail that down, I just like it.

It's especially weird because I am all NOT about the death metal/speed metal at all, or Black Sabbath. i don't even know how to characterise what I like--Various disparate things that fall under the vast umbrella of "alternative", mostly.
I think we're triangulating in the area of punk--I love some punk too. :)
Anyway, these guys are great.

273 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:34:49am

re: #271 srb1976

Her Royal Stoutness is 19 months and Little Man is almost 5.....
Big Fun

Enjoy! These are the best years of your life.

274 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:36:36am

re: #273 BatGuano

Enjoy! These are the best years of your life.

I know, I'm actually kind of sad...we got HRS her training potty today. I wouldn't have even thought about it this soon, but she is fascinated by all things potty right now.....
Not quite a baby any more though = )

275 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:43:03am

re: #274 srb1976

What does it say on your avatar baby's head?

276 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:44:15am

re: #275 BatGuano

It says Birthday Girl....her daddy put it on there...she wore it all day

277 BatGuano  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:47:42am

re: #276 srb1976

It says Birthday Girl....her daddy put it on there...she wore it all day

Thank you SRB. She's adorable. Good night!

278 srb1976  Sun, May 31, 2009 3:52:51am

re: #277 BatGuano

Thank you SRB. She's adorable. Good night!

Thanks....she's my sweetie....
Have a good night = )

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:08:50am

re: #272 iceweasel

I am mostly into metal. Speed, sludge, whatever. Yet there are many things beyond that genre that impress me.

Over.

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:22:33am

From the looks of things, I am saying hello to nobody.

"Hello."

281 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:24:44am

re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth

I am mostly into metal. Speed, sludge, whatever. Yet there are many things beyond that genre that impress me.

Over.

Oh my god-- I canNOT believe you linked that. Triphop! I adore Portishead; that whole album is brilliant.

Wandering Star

Youtube Video
282 Aisha  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:24:50am

Oh zipper-headed infidel, do you not know that the Muslims invented the Nuclear bombs? It was the al-Mujahattiin project, which as everybody knows, was run by the Muslims and that is why the Mujahadin in Pakistan were able to be of such great helps to the socialist-gooky-kufr and the shiah apostates in Iran. So be of good cheer, Great Socialist Kufr; we shall this day light such a candle, by the Grace of Allah Ta'allah, as I trust shall never be put out.

283 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:26:38am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From the looks of things, I am saying hello to nobody.

"Hello."

I'm nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there's a pair of us--don't tell!
They'd banish us, you know.

Hello FBV, Always nice to see you.

284 right_wing2  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:29:39am

Once again, in 2010, some 3,000,000 people will get an extended census form next year, asking questions such as 'do you have hot & cold running water', 'how much do you pay for electricity & gas service' and 'how much do you think your house would sell for'.

There's no Constitutional justification for this type of question.

[Link: www.census.gov...]

The question I'm going to have the most fun with on the regular census form is where it asks for 'race'. I'm just going to answer 'Human'.

285 rightside  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:30:11am

Morning Lizards.

286 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:31:16am

re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth

I also have to break out the Massive Attack, if we're doing portishead:

Youtube Video
287 right_wing2  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:31:35am

re: #270 srb1976

The way these new 'seasons' run for Burn Notice, Monk, Psych and other, mostly USA network shows, run is so confusing.

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:33:20am

Really. I said that when nobody had posted for over 15 minutes. You are certainly not a nobody, Baby!

The Bad Plus

289 right_wing2  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:34:38am

re: #235 iceweasel

You've GOT to see Quiet Man. The Duke & Maureen O'Hara were perfect in it. See if you can find one of the Special Edition DVD's, with a very nice interview with Maureen O'Hara on the 'making of'.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:35:56am

re: #289 right_wing2

Best kiss in movie-dom.

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:37:18am

Out!

292 right_wing2  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:37:32am

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By one of the best screen couples in movie-dom.

293 rightside  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:38:23am

Break break, this is romeo, nothing heard, out.

294 mamacares  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:40:51am

Good morning Lizards.

295 right_wing2  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:42:11am

Ms. O'Hara had some great stories to tell about making the movie.

At the end, where she whispers something to Wayne, and he gets this startled look on his face? She didn't want to say the line, but John Ford insisted. She agreed as long as nobody EVER told what it was she said. Ford didn't say. Wayne never told. And she won't.

Ford's brother, 2 of her brothers, Wayne's kids, Barry Fitzgerald's (wonderful actor- look for some other flicks with him in them!) brother and Victor McLaughlin's son all appeared in the movie.

296 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:43:36am

re: #288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Bad Plus

Who are these guys? Again, someone I've never heard of. And a very cool cover and vid.

In the category of covers that are surprisingly good:

A Perfect Circle covering a chris isaak song...huh? Yet it works, and I really couldn't stand chris isaak or the original song:

Youtube Video
297 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:44:30am

re: #289 right_wing2

You've GOT to see Quiet Man. The Duke & Maureen O'Hara were perfect in it. See if you can find one of the Special Edition DVD's, with a very nice interview with Maureen O'Hara on the 'making of'.

Cool, thank you, I will definitely do that. Thanks!

298 rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 4:57:06am

Whats everyone Opinion on the Boston Mayor denying the PD to use the 200 M16's given by the US army to the City? Sure they likely aren't needed for patrols but if the incident in Cali when the bank robbers used vests and assault weapons and had the Police force outgunned taught us anything its that Police Officers should be qualified to use said weapons and should have some in the station to reply to such an incident until SWAT can be mobilized. From the comments I heard from the Mayor he has no problem with SWAT or other special units get the weapons but they already have M16's and probably M4's as well with SWAT.

299 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:00:38am

re: #282 Aisha

Oh zipper-headed infidel, do you not know that the Muslims invented the Nuclear bombs? It was the al-Mujahattiin project, which as everybody knows, was run by the Muslims and that is why the Mujahadin in Pakistan were able to be of such great helps to the socialist-gooky-kufr and the shiah apostates in Iran. So be of good cheer, Great Socialist Kufr; we shall this day light such a candle, by the Grace of Allah Ta'allah, as I trust shall never be put out.

Nonsense! Only Juche create atom bomb. Why you think only use against Japan, historic antagonist of the p'a? Not once but twice? No coincidence.

300 rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:02:03am

re: #298 rustler

[Link: www.google.com...] Linky to an article about it.

301 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:03:30am

re: #282 Aisha

Oh zipper-headed infidel, do you not know that the Muslims invented the Nuclear bombs? It was the al-Mujahattiin project, which as everybody knows, was run by the Muslims and that is why the Mujahadin in Pakistan were able to be of such great helps to the socialist-gooky-kufr and the shiah apostates in Iran. So be of good cheer, Great Socialist Kufr; we shall this day light such a candle, by the Grace of Allah Ta'allah, as I trust shall never be put out.

You know why you people never invent atom bomb? Left hand covered in shit, that why. Hmmm, I get funny reading from gas chromatograph mass spectro--hey, what that smell?

302 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:04:45am

You awfully quiet.

303 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:07:02am

re: #284 right_wing2

I like putting "other" whenever that question is asked. Usually they don't ask for specification after.

304 rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:13:01am

re: #284 right_wing2

The question I'm going to have the most fun with on the regular census form is where it asks for 'race'. I'm just going to answer 'Human'.

Mines the 50 meter take my sweet ass time about it.

305 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:16:06am

re: #284 right_wing2

The question I'm going to have the most fun with on the regular census form is where it asks for 'race'. I'm just going to answer 'Human'.

"Master".

306 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:16:30am

re: #303 laZardo

I like putting "other" whenever that question is asked. Usually they don't ask for specification after.

"None" would be the most correct answer. Race doesn't have any biological meaning. Humans exist within a broad, multi-dimensional spectrum of variation; separation into races is an artifact of undersampling. It doesn't indicate any useful, real differences between groups.

307 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:16:34am

Lebron James is a baby.

Michael Jordan hated to lose but I don't remember him being a sore loser. His team lost a lot before they won all those titles. When he lost, he took it like a man

Lebron is no Jordan.

308 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:22:36am

re: #284 right_wing2

Once again, in 2010, some 3,000,000 people will get an extended census form next year, asking questions such as 'do you have hot & cold running water', 'how much do you pay for electricity & gas service' and 'how much do you think your house would sell for'.

There's no Constitutional justification for this type of question.

[Link: www.census.gov...]

The question I'm going to have the most fun with on the regular census form is where it asks for 'race'. I'm just going to answer 'Human'.


I'll put Native Texan

309 Rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:24:37am

Found the full story rather than a excerpt. Love the false info on the M16 as well.

But Menino expressed deep reservations yesterday about the plans. He said he had not been briefed on the proposal until a few days ago, and in comments to reporters he was clearly unhappy about the idea of officers patrolling the city's neighborhoods with high-powered semiautomatic assault weapons.

(emphasis added by me)

The M16 is not high powered it is lower powered! Assault rifles were initially produced as lighter low powered rifles for Paratroopers to use as part of the mission of being a highly mobile unit. The Nato 5.56x45 round is the equivalent to American .223 caliber cartridge hardly what one would call high powered.

310 Rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:26:28am

re: #309 Rustler
The M16 is also not semi-automatic. It is a selective fire weapon with Safe, Semi, and either 3 round burst or full auto settings depending on the model and age of the M16.

311 Rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:31:25am

re: #309 Rustler This is compared to the older 7.62x52 Nato cartridge(which is still used in the AK 47)(compares to the .308 rifle Cartridge) and the older american .30-06 cartridges.

312 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:35:15am

re: #306 SixDegrees

"None" would be the most correct answer. Race doesn't have any biological meaning. Humans exist within a broad, multi-dimensional spectrum of variation; separation into races is an artifact of undersampling. It doesn't indicate any useful, real differences between groups.

Nonetheless, human beings persist in identifying themselves as members of one race or another. The whole category of 'race' (as we know it) was essentially unknown in the ancient world.

I think xenophobia, unfortunately, may be an essential human trait: fear of the other, the unknown. Also we have a drive to be social, and every group defines itself at least as much by who they exclude as who they choose to include. You can't have a group of 'cool kids' unless you make some kids the outcasts.

Consequently, we invent categories that allow us to do that--to mark 'our group' as a group. Race is one such category. There are many more.

313 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:36:08am

Hello Lizards!
re: #308 Shug

Have you read up on last nights threads yet? You were highly praised on the "Obama Administration Defends Invoking 'State Secrets'" thread. You are "Shug is one of my favorites here." to Sharmuta.
What an honor!

314 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:37:50am

re: #313 callahan23

Sharm is the best.
She's My baby's cyber God Mother

She's a real quality individual. You don't run into people like that all the time.

315 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:40:35am

re: #306 SixDegrees

"None" would be the most correct answer. Race doesn't have any biological meaning. Humans exist within a broad, multi-dimensional spectrum of variation; separation into races is an artifact of undersampling. It doesn't indicate any useful, real differences between groups.

So you say, mongrel, so you say. Only shining Choson like me inspire infinite movie, painting, song, mass game, and so.
Eternal Great Leader, too of course. Never leave him out.

316 Rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:44:19am

re: #315 Kim Jong-Il
You mean Joseon right as in the 500 year Korean dynasty which ended in the 30's? It's often romanized as choson is why I asked.

317 Kim Jong-Il  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:46:25am

re: #316 Rustler

You mean Joseon right as in the 500 year Korean dynasty which ended in the 30's? It's often romanized as choson is why I asked.

One and same. Yankee puppets in south say Hanguk, but really, word is Choson, sometime, Jeoson.

318 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:47:33am

re: #317 Kim Jong-Il

One and same. Yankee puppets in south say Hanguk, but really, word is Choson, sometime, Jeoson.

Does that make you the Choson one?
Good Morning Lizards!

319 Rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:49:21am

re: #318 HoosierHoops The first Choson one Taejo

320 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:50:10am

re: #314 Shug

Sharmuta, You, Buzzsawmonkey, Realwest, Jimmah, HoosierHoops, DEZes, nevergiveup, Kosh's Shadow, wrenchwench, albusteve, jaunte, reine.de.tout, ...
and the list will go on for quite some time are my role models, guides and lizardly friends. Some this, some that.
But it is truly amazing what an assembly of bright minds Charles has collected here.
Does it show that I like it here?
;-)

321 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:51:10am

re: #318 HoosierHoops

Good morning HoosierHoops!

322 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:53:46am

re: #321 callahan23

Good morning HoosierHoops!

Good Morning..Hope today finds you well...
It's beautiful out . I'll be blogging by the pool today after the news shows
How are you?

323 Rustler  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:57:14am

This is pretty funny. Drive thru drug deals.

324 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 5:59:28am

re: #312 iceweasel

Nonetheless, human beings persist in identifying themselves as members of one race or another. The whole category of 'race' (as we know it) was essentially unknown in the ancient world.

Completely agree. It's an artifact of advanced navigation techniques that allowed sailors to travel directly across seas to distant shores, rather than follow the older, slower coast-hugging navigation (or even slower overland travel) that never revealed an abrupt change in characteristics, but the more realistic, slow and gradual shift in characteristics that actually exists.

Typically, there is much, much more variation within a given "race" than will ever be found between two "races". It's an illusion. And a society that is striving to remove the reflexive perception of race oughtn't be pigeonholing itself in this manner in the first place.

325 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:01:25am

re: #312 iceweasel

Boys, girls, jocks, nerds, weirdos, slutty cheerleaders, queers, populars and unpopulars, emos, hipsters, punks, preppies, greasers, and so on...

326 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:01:48am

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Good Morning..Hope today finds you well...
It's beautiful out . I'll be blogging by the pool today after the news shows
How are you?

Lucky you, blogging by the pool. Makin' me a bit jealous, a wee-bit.
I am doing fine. My estranged wife is off for the weekend. So I am fine and not so fine. Fine in the sense that I have time on my own and not so fine, well I am on my own (lonely). Does that make sense? To me it does.
Hard to get back into the flirting business after close to 20 years.

327 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:02:53am

re: #322 HoosierHoops

Good Morning..Hope today finds you well...
It's beautiful out . I'll be blogging by the pool today after the news shows
How are you?

"We've never seen anything like it," said Winder Police Capt. Dennis Dorsey.

Captain Dorsey needs to spend a little time in Detroit. Thirty years ago, a large syndicate used exactly this same technique (minus the wireless doorbell) to collect bets and distribute payments for the numbers racket.

328 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:03:43am

re: #327 SixDegrees

Captain Dorsey needs to spend a little time in Detroit. Thirty years ago, a large syndicate used exactly this same technique (minus the wireless doorbell) to collect bets and distribute payments for the numbers racket.

Oops - that should have been a link back to #323.

329 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:06:52am

re: #323 Rustler

Weird thing is I remember this Dr. Seuss thing which started off exactly the same way too. The Lorax, I think it was called.

330 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:07:52am

re: #326 callahan23

Lucky you, blogging by the pool. Makin' me a bit jealous, a wee-bit.
I am doing fine. My estranged wife is off for the weekend. So I am fine and not so fine. Fine in the sense that I have time on my own and not so fine, well I am on my own (lonely). Does that make sense? To me it does.
Hard to get back into the flirting business after close to 20 years.

Well you hang in there my friend...I'll be rooting for your life to be healed and much Happiness is right down the road...

331 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:08:31am

re: #328 SixDegrees

Oops - that should have been a link back to #323.

LOL
I thought you were 6 degreeing my post...

332 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:11:23am

Illinois Senate passes 67% Income Tax Increase

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

333 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:11:58am

re: #320 callahan23

I'm honored to be listed in the same sentence. I am not on their level IMO, but I appreciate the nod

334 right_wing2  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:12:52am

re: #303 laZardo

I'm not sure on the 'standard' form, but the extended one does have a line for further description. There's also something about your national ancestry. Looks like 'American' for that one.

You think they'd get P.O.'d if I added 'feline-American', 'avian American' or 'canine American' for pets?

335 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:13:28am

re: #126 Aisha

And excrement of the bat rear private part, you wil go to jahanum unless you repent. All such images are haraam.

Is jahanum like zahadum? "If you go to zahadum, you will die." - Kosh

336 right_wing2  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:13:36am

re: #332 Jewels (AKA Julian)

And say 'good bye' to those evil, greedy rich people in Illinois. Funny how they just can't learn a simple lesson, isn't it?

337 right_wing2  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:14:03am

re: #335 John Neverbend

'We are all Kosh'

338 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:16:37am

re: #330 HoosierHoops

Well you hang in there my friend...I'll be rooting for your life to be healed and much Happiness is right down the road...

I'll do. Time is gonna pass by and I will probably (hopefully) be in a different place with a different employment.
Hopefully there will also be a new woman at my side.
Meanwhile, not too much progress is being made concerning the split-up.

339 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:18:58am

re: #330 HoosierHoops

Thanks for being so supportive.

340 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:19:12am

Good morning y'all - from a warm (67 degrees going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope everyone is doing well this morning!

341 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:19:14am

re: #337 right_wing2

'We are all Kosh'

It removes all the angst out of choosing names for your children.

342 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:19:31am

re: #334 right_wing2

Try Martian or Jupiterian.

/Venusian for the women.

343 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:21:10am

Total Eclipse of the Heart: Literal Video Version

Youtube Video
344 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:22:31am

re: #340 realwest

Good morning (Realwest)!

345 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:25:02am

re: #339 callahan23

Thanks for being so supportive.


Hey friend..I'll tell you a story..Back when was in college i fell deeply in love with a woman...I thought we were going to get married..She dumped me for a Tennis Pro.. To this day I have never watched a tennis match..Just to fucking painful to remember... Still I am happily married, We raised 5 kids and she is a wonderful woman..I still Hate Tennis..

346 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:25:37am

re: #343 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Thzis is just ablsolutely hilarious. Thank you Jewels (AKA Julian)

347 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:25:46am

re: #340 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a warm (67 degrees going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope everyone is doing well this morning!

What up Bro? It's warm weather all around

348 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:26:18am

re: #345 HoosierHoops

Hey friend..I'll tell you a story..Back when was in college i fell deeply in love with a woman...I thought we were going to get married..She dumped me for a Tennis Pro.. To this day I have never watched a tennis match..Just to fucking painful to remember... Still I am happily married, We raised 5 kids and she is a wonderful woman..I still Hate Tennis..


thank God she didn't dump you for a basketball player

349 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:28:01am

re: #344 callahan23
Good morning (callahan23) I skimmed up thread a bit
sorry you're feeling a bit lonely there. Hope you're mood improves somewhat today!

350 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:28:17am

re: #343 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Total Eclipse of the Heart: Literal Video Version

[Video]

Jewels ... that is funny! ...

Good Morning Lizards ... beautiful here in bitter clingerland ...

351 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:28:46am

re: #343 Jewels (AKA Julian) Hey Jewels - that's a scream of a video! Who did the real "Beat of My Heart" do ya recall?

352 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:29:00am

Good Morning realwest

353 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:30:01am

re: #351 realwest

Bonnie Tyler

354 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:30:34am

re: #350 JacksonTn
Hey Jackson - it's beautiful here too (well, given that we are in adjoining states, that's not much of a surprise!) but I could do without the early morning humidity and the damn pollen; my allergies are driving me nuts!

355 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:31:30am

re: #340 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a warm (67 degrees going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope everyone is doing well this morning!

Good morning from Manhattan. 67 going up to 75, and today is the salute to Israel parade.

356 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:31:53am

re: #352 Shug
Hi Shug - how are you today my friend?

357 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:32:00am

re: #343 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Oh, you.

/am thinking of another 80s video that deserves the treatment...

358 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:32:34am

re: #340 realwest

Just being the Benjamin on this Animal Farm, other'n that...wait...that's pretty much it. ;p

359 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:34:21am

re: #355 John Neverbend
Ah, Manhattan, my "home town"! Glad to hear the weather there is so beautiful today! Where abouts in Manhattan do you live? Last place I lived was in Hell's kitchen but I've lived all over the Island (well, south of 87th street, anyway) and who is that in your avatar?!

360 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:35:34am

re: #358 laZardo
Hey there Benji boy! Did you ever decide or have it decided for you, whether or not you're gonna have to go to ROTC?

361 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:38:00am

re: #357 laZardo

A-Ha - Take on Me (Literal Version)

Youtube Video

like this one?

362 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:39:22am

re: #360 realwest

Actually, it turns out that I signed up for the Community Service block. Apparently NSTPCW-1 (we don't use the 101-style system here) stood for National Service Training Program, Community Welfare-1.

/and yes, there will be organizing.

363 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:39:46am

re: #361 Jewels (AKA Julian)

A-Ha - Take on Me (Literal Version)

[Video]like this one?

More like...

364 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:40:08am

re: #359 realwest

Ah, Manhattan, my "home town"! Glad to hear the weather there is so beautiful today! Where abouts in Manhattan do you live? Last place I lived was in Hell's kitchen but I've lived all over the Island (well, south of 87th street, anyway) and who is that in your avatar?!

Higher up on the east side, but south of 87th. The image is of a novelist whose books I have read and enjoyed.

365 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:42:19am

re: #364 John Neverbend
I've lived on 77th and First Avenune and York and 81st street (and of course mid-town and Hells Kitchen -
not the gentrified portion either)!
God I miss Manhattan.
Hope you're doing well!

366 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:44:09am

Well y'all it's time once again for The List:
Lizard Prayer List 5/31/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Part 1 of 3:
Community issues:
Blessing and protection over all of us during these times.
Our government
Our troops
Israel
Georgia/Ossetia
Rozana Saberi: American political prisoner in Iran sentenced to 8 years in prison
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

Thanksgivings
mikeymom: sister recovering from a stroke
Uncle Rancher: 17-year-old nephew had treatment for melanoma
Afrocity Brown: outpatient surgery went very well
bbuddha: mother-in-law doing much better
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans

367 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:44:44am

Part 2 of 3:
Health issues:
Mikeymom: husband’s cousin's hubby just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer
Doppelganglander: son
loppyd: Brother’s knee injury and future m-i-l’s broken hip.
vagabond trader: friend’s mother fighting cancer
littleoldlady: talloldman
Pietr: Aunt Doris in hospital with poor prognosis; b-i-l Roscoe undergoing Chemotherapy
J.D.: diagnosed friend's son as having a Glioma
Doppelganglander: Passing of sister, best friend Cindy diagnosed with MS
NY Nana: son-in-law’s mum, recovering from amputation
CapeCoddah: boss John R
Iron Fist: diabetes not improving
yma o hyd: glaucoma; may need surgery; arthritis
ArmyWife: FIL just diagnosed with leukemia; good friend’s daughter dealing with issues.
UberInfidel67 and other Lizards who are trying to quit smoking
Chicago Blonde: friend battling cancer
Macker: health issues and treatment
Hoppes: has sick children, lost her MIL, and is very stressed
UberInfidel67: brother’s health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
/cont’d

368 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:44:51am

re: #365 realwest

I've lived on 77th and First Avenune and York and 81st street (and of course mid-town and Hells Kitchen -
not the gentrified portion either)!
God I miss Manhattan.
Hope you're doing well!

Well, thank you. I note that I missed Mr. and Mrs. Obama who were in town yesterday to see a play.

369 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:46:31am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
Fat Bastard Vegetarian – Mother’s cancer has returned
Kawfytawk: the Springle family, who lost their father in Iraq .
Dustyvet: sudden loss of sister
loppyd: friend’s personal problems
Kawfytawk: caring for father
Teacake: emotional healing
BaseballMom57: husband’s passing; prayers for especially for their children.
ChildofMary: passing of husband, ElderZionist
US Beast: passing of mother
Vxbush: two Lizard friends dealing with big issues
Army Green since '92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan; friends deploying there next week.
yma o hyd: ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom home from the hospital but may be regressing
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: new 7th month foster daughter (previous foster daughter went to live with her grandma)
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Coz: Brother in law and wife in horrible motorcycle accident; wife suffered horrible head injuries
Lizards with family issues

Irish Rose son recovering from medical problems
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: strength for kids and her dealing with EH.
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

In Memoriam
Dublin(CA)Dude
USMC 1968
ElderZion
Obi Wan
All our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom and their families.

370 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:47:21am

If any of y'all have any changes or additions to The List, kindly let me know - either out here or via e-mail (nic is in blue).

371 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:49:23am

re: #368 John Neverbend
Gee weren't you lucky er, I mean, what a shame!

372 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:52:51am

re: #324 SixDegrees


Typically, there is much, much more variation within a given "race" than will ever be found between two "races". It's an illusion. And a society that is striving to remove the reflexive perception of race oughtn't be pigeonholing itself in this manner in the first place.

Well said and I agree with everything.

i know it's kind of early to be getting into politics and this has been a very groovy non-political thread, but there's a very cool post by someone that makes this exact same point about "race". It's the only sensible and nuanced critique of the Sotomoyer "wise Latina" comment I've seen (it takes the whole speech into context), and it comes from someone who is a liberal, black, and writing for the Atlantic:

I think Sotomayor's statement is quite wrong. I understand the basis of it, laid out pretty well by Kerry Howley over at Hit & Run. The idea is that Latinos have a dual experience that whites don't have and that, all things being equal, they'll be able to pull from that experience and see things that whites don't. The problem with this reasoning is it implicitly accepts the logic (made for years by white racists) that there is something essential and unifying running through all white people, everywhere. But White--as we know it--is a word so big that, as a descriptor of experience, it almost doesn't exist.

Indeed, it's claims are preposterous. It seeks to lump the miner in Eastern Kentucky, the Upper West Side Jew, the yuppie in Seattle, the Irish Catholic in South Boston, the hipster in Brooklyn, the Cuban-American in Florida, or even the Mexican-American in California all together, and erase the richness of their experience, by marking the bag "White." This is a lie--and another example of how a frame invented (and for decades endorsed) by whites is, at the end of the day, bad for whites. White racism, in this country, was invented to erase the humanity and individuality of blacks. But for it to work it must, necessarily, erase the humanity of whites, too.
Sotomayor, unwittingly, buys into that logic by conjuring the strawman of "a white male." But, in the context that she's discussing, no such person exists. What is true of the straight Polish-American in Chicago, may not be true for the white gay dude working in D.C. I'm not even convinced that what is true for the white dude in West Texas, is true for the white dude in Austin--or that what's true of the white dude in Austin, is true of other white dudes in Austin. There's just too much variation among people to make such a broad statement about millions of people.

I think this blog offers some context for what I'm writing here. I hope people won't interpret this as an "End of Racism" argument. It really should go without saying that people act on falsehoods all the time. I also don't raise this as an argument for why Sotomayor should not be on the Supreme Court. I raise it because I think a lot of us would do well to challenge our thinking in spaces like this. I know I would.

[Link: ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com...]

373 callahan23  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:56:11am

Some errands and chores need attending.
I'll be back in a few hours. [Lizardim}

374 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:57:42am

re: #372 iceweasel
Good morning iceweasel - with regards to your quoted material in #372

It seeks to lump the miner in Eastern Kentucky, the Upper West Side Jew, the yuppie in Seattle, the Irish Catholic in South Boston, the hipster in Brooklyn, the Cuban-American in Florida, or even the Mexican-American in California all together, and erase the richness of their experience, by marking the bag "White."


And once again folks in Flyover country don't count!
/

375 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:58:06am

re: #373 callahan23
See ya later my friend!

376 rain of lead  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:58:15am

morning lizards,
time for a gorebull warming solar update
no sunspots and solar wind output at a meager 303 km/s

nasa has a new report on solar events....gee the sun has an effect on earth's weather...who knew

key graphs Right now, the solar cycle is in a valley--the deepest of the past century. In 2008 and 2009, the sun set Space Age records for low sunspot counts, weak solar wind, and low solar irradiance. The sun has gone more than two years without a significant solar flare.

"In our professional careers, we've never seen anything quite like it," says Pesnell. "Solar minimum has lasted far beyond the date we predicted in 2007
Meanwhile, the sun pays little heed to human committees. There could be more surprises, panelists acknowledge, and more revisions to the forecast.

"Go ahead and mark your calendar for May 2013," says Pesnell. "But use a pencil

377 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 6:59:04am

re: #370 realwest

If any of y'all have any changes or additions to The List, kindly let me know - either out here or via e-mail (nic is in blue).

Shepherd of the List

378 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:00:29am

re: #377 albusteve

Shepherd of the List

Good Morning Steve..Hope today finds you well

379 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:01:32am

re: #374 realwest

Didja get my reply above?

/also, had an aunt who worked at the UN since the 80s, retired and came back here a couple years ago. Lived on 57th and 6th.

380 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:01:59am

re: #377 albusteve
More like Keeper of The List I think.
How are you this morning?

381 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:02:34am

re: #378 HoosierHoops
Hey, hi ya Hoops! How are you doing this fine morning?

382 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:03:50am

another take on BOs take on Sotos 'language'....I agree with the last paragrahph

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

383 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:04:15am

re: #381 realwest

Hey, hi ya Hoops! How are you doing this fine morning?

Howdy Realwest..I'm doing great! How the heck are you?

384 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:05:31am

re: #379 laZardo I did but got going on The List and didn't want to break it up. So you're gonna learn how to be a community organizer, eh?
Well good luck to you - I hear that there's a real future in that line of work!
And wow, 57th and Sixth (a/k/a Avenue of the Americas) is a long schlepp to the U.N. building! A woman of obvious intenstional fortitude! LOL!
I used to work on 57th between 5th and Sixth.

385 turn  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:06:25am

re: #370 realwest

If any of y'all have any changes or additions to The List, kindly let me know - either out here or via e-mail (nic is in blue).

Morning real, dumb question - is this the same list goddess used to maintain?

386 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:08:04am

re: #378 HoosierHoops

re: #380 realwest


howdy...
life is good in the valley of the Rio Grande...
can't say as I'm disappointed with the Cavs...LeBron has a ways to go yet. he needs to make his mates better players, and get some help from the bench

387 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:08:10am

re: #374 realwest

Good morning iceweasel - with regards to your quoted material in #372


And once again folks in Flyover country don't count!
/

oooh, burn! *shaking tiny lib fist*

Good morning Realwest, hope you're well today!

In the link, though this is also said:

What is true of the straight Polish-American in Chicago, may not be true for the white gay dude working in D.C. I'm not even convinced that what is true for the white dude in West Texas, is true for the white dude in Austin--or that what's true of the white dude in Austin, is true of other white dudes in Austin. There's just too much variation among people to make such a broad statement about millions of people.

So, a few places in "flyover country", and even one bonus mention of West Texas in general, as opposed to a city or small city. :)

388 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:08:34am

re: #383 HoosierHoops
I'd doing ok my friend! Just sick and tired of this damn weather - a month ago we were lucky - LUCKY I SAY! - to get out of the low 50's and today we're gonna be at 90+ degrees!
What ever happened to spring?!

389 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:10:00am

re: #384 realwest

Yeah, we've even got a corrupt government to 'hold us down.' ;p

Subway to Times Square, and the bus (M80, it was?) went all the way down 42nd to the gate. :3

She also happens to be my godmother...and thanks to the country's off-kilter exchange rate, she's easily able to pay for my college tuition here (rounds out to about US$1500 per sem). That's fortitude I'm thankful for. (:

390 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:10:06am

I see last night's thread about the Stimulus conspiracy got a few flounce offs.

391 freetoken  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:10:45am

re: #390 Killgore Trout

And some action this morning too....

392 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:11:24am

re: #385 turn
Basically it is, yes. GotC was kind enough to e-mail it to me two weeks ago in a Word format, so I could edit it and add, delete names and change descritpions of circumstances and all. For whatever reason, copy and pasting the prior list she maintained before she got banned left me unable to do that to The List. I'm actually contemplating making many changes to The List, but am waiting to hear if anyone else has any new news or any changes in circumstances first.

393 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:11:33am

re: #372 iceweasel

[Link: ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com...]

yeah -- this [Link: tinyurl.com...] is also pretty good. ...another compelling white guy story.

"The richness of our experiences is what we white guys call "life." I'm sure Princeton was rich, too."

394 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:12:18am

re: #386 albusteve
Hey there albusteve - good morning to you - whereabouts in the valley of the Rio Grande?

395 turn  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:12:28am

re: #392 realwest
How come you're not on it real?

396 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:12:34am

re: #390 Killgore Trout

I see last night's thread about the Stimulus conspiracy got a few flounce offs.

I'm just in, and haven't skimmed down that one.
Anything interesting over yonder?

397 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:12:56am

re: #382 albusteve

another take on BOs take on Sotos 'language'....I agree with the last paragrahph

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

Updinged you for posting this. I agree with ONLY the last paragraph myself, and I reject the last sentence of that paragraph, btw.

398 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:13:10am

Good morning all, a bit of good news about some Hamas militants being taken out by the Pali's.

Hamas

399 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:13:16am

fleecing Illinois taxpayers again...round and round...a 67% leap on income

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

400 Bloodnok  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:14:09am

re: #396 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm just in, and haven't skimmed down that one.
Anything interesting over yonder?

It's a worthwhile read. I had fun, anyway.

401 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:14:34am

re: #387 iceweasel
LOL! Well I can't think of anyone who'd consider King Richard's domain "flyover country" and Austin (not Bezerkley) may be moonbat central these days! But I'll give y'all West Texas!
I'm doing more or less ok, thanks, how are you doing this morning?

402 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:14:59am

re: #394 realwest

Hey there albusteve - good morning to you - whereabouts in the valley of the Rio Grande?

Albuquerque...the old, historic north valley area

403 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:15:44am

Good morning, lizards.
I've been out of the loop for a few days, did I miss anything interesting?

404 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:16:02am

re: #389 laZardo Ah ha! So she's the one to blame for your.........um, I mean, how fortunate for you that she can cover your tuition and all!

405 rain of lead  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:16:13am

re: #403 Irish Rose

bwahahahaha

406 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:16:42am

re: #405 rain of lead

bwahahahaha

Please elaborate.

407 turn  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:17:17am

re: #406 Irish Rose

Please elaborate.


bwahahahahahahahahah
/

408 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:17:50am

Morning good lizards. (bite my ass bad ones who will one day go off and join the stalker blog community) ;)

I was just looking at some stuff and I started thinking, I work my ass off, I really do. I work in a parts distribution warehouse where I take orders off the printer and then pull the parts off the shelves to load them on carts to be shipped hither and yawn. Around 50% of the stuff I handle weighs from 40 to 90 lbs.. I pull around 250 tickets in an 8 1/2 hour shift. The warehuse is so large that I walk from 10 to 15 miles a day. Carts don't go down isles so I spend most of my time carrying stuff. Heavy stuff. When I get home from work I disolve into bed for about an hour unable to move. My coworkers and management are among the most vile folks I have ever known. Racist, sexist, homophobic, socially backwards, mean spirited, angry awful folks. And I make $8.25 an hour. Barely enough to support myself on. Some months I have to swallow my pride and reach to friends for help paying bills. Currently I owe friends a total of $525 to friends.

So I was wondering, which started me looking. Where does all the money that I die to make for someone go. I literally see myself as the gritty oil slathered on the ground so that the massive rock can be slid. So I went looking for the massive rock. And I found it.
Atherton California.

I literally kill myself five and sometimes six days a week so that folks like these can live like this.

409 rain of lead  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:17:53am

re: #406 Irish Rose

oh it's been lgf life as usual....everythings been intersting.

410 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:18:03am

Still no correction from Ed Morrisey as his dumber readers continue the madness....

LGF was once a great blog. Now it’s mindless lefty drivel. I think Charles is trying to stay relevent by picking another one of his blog fights with Hot Air.


...

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
411 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:19:51am

re: #388 realwest

I'd doing ok my friend! Just sick and tired of this damn weather - a month ago we were lucky - LUCKY I SAY! - to get out of the low 50's and today we're gonna be at 90+ degrees!
What ever happened to spring?!

Watching meet the Press..They have been discussing Sotomeyer..
Very good adult discussion..

412 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:19:53am

Looks like I made the headlines over at stalker blog.
Woot.

/idiots

413 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:20:54am

re: #412 Irish Rose

Looks like I made the headlines over at stalker blog.
Woot.

/idiots

Good Morning Irish
/idiots

414 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:21:29am

By the way, I'm still taking submissions for my super-secret blog hit list.
Just FYI.

415 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:21:43am

re: #393 Fearless Fred
Thank you very much for that comment and link. How are you doing today?

416 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:21:46am

re: #371 realwest

Gee weren't you lucky er, I mean, what a shame!

Sunday morning! I'm getting my weekly dose of 16th century Italian music from "Here of a Sunday Morning". This is an extraordinary radio program. The host is a fine Englishman who speaks haltingly with a perfect accent, and clearly knows his stuff. After a few weeks, you know all there is to know about Monteverdi, Corelli, Gesualdo and all the others. The thing that I find somewhat amusing is that the website is "hoasm.org". As a crossword solver and user of anagrams, I sometimes wonder if the host of the show is playing a joke on us. Even more remarkable is that the show is part of WBAI, "Your peace and justice community radio station." Compared with the other programs on that station, HOASM "shines out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark."

417 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:23:07am

re: #412 Irish Rose

Looks like I made the headlines over at stalker blog.
Woot.

/idiots

Do you realize the irony of this statement?

You monitor another blog and then report about it on this blog.

418 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:23:26am

re: #395 turn
I are am on it, together with my mom!

419 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:24:31am

And I see over at AoS that they've given me blowjob instructions...

/amateurs

420 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:25:27am

re: #417 loppyd

loppyd ... gas ... meet ... fire ...

/ignore them

421 rain of lead  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:26:04am

re: #420 JacksonTn

morning jt

momcat says hi

422 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:26:09am

re: #374 realwest

Good morning iceweasel - with regards to your quoted material in #372


And once again folks in Flyover country don't count!
/

check minute 6:30 here ... [Link: bloggingheads.tv...]
it's richard rodriguez discussing 'race', and whiteness. its funny, and interesting.

423 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:26:51am

re: #421 rain of lead

morning jt

momcat says hi

RoL ... Hey! to all your family ... isn't it beautiful out today! ... heading out in a bit to check on things ..

424 turn  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:26:52am

re: #418 realwest

I are am on it, together with my mom!

good, take care you two. I ventured over to that other site after rose's post, man there are some over the top comments there. Those people are angry and mean. I recognized quite a few nics as former lizards.

425 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:26:53am

evil reigns at Gitmo....no onion rings?

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

426 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:28:04am

re: #417 loppyd

Do you realize the irony of this statement?

You monitor another blog and then report about it on this blog.

a bad rabbit

427 rain of lead  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:28:11am

re: #423 JacksonTn

gonna be a great day, heading over to my dad's to see if he needs any chores done.

428 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:28:15am

re: #404 realwest

I guess you could say she was a factor and all. (; But years of what you'd call agitprop in school here was a lot more responsible.

429 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:29:11am

re: #427 rain of lead

gonna be a great day, heading over to my dad's to see if he needs any chores done.

RoL ... good man! ...

430 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:29:38am

re: #402 albusteve

Albuquerque...the old, historic north valley area

Are you up there by where 2nd and 4th meet, with no 3rd in sight?

431 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:29:39am

re: #408 justdanny

You need a better job, you are not suited for the work you are doing, and it'll drive you crazy working with idiots.
"Don't wait for your ship to come in, swim out to it." There are more ways to make money then you can image.

432 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:30:51am

It looks like Charles had some interesting threads over the last few days, I have a lot of reading to catch up on.

Realwest, did you add my son to your prayer list?

433 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:31:18am

re: #408 justdanny
Good morning (justdanny) I can certainly relate to your situation, being as how My take from SSDI doesn't amount to much more than $8.25 an hour either, although of course I NOW don't work to earn it; just drawing down on what I've paid into it.
But my friend, how do you know that some, a few, a majority or whatever of those folks in Atherton, Ca. didn't work just has hard as you do to get to where they are (at least in terms of housing)?
And how did you come up with THAT as a location?!

434 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:31:27am

re: #408 justdanny Homes the size of schools and hospitals for miles in every direction. Gardens like those of european royal families. Security stronger that on that on our southern border. The highest per capita income on the planet, in human history.

My neck hurts. Im getting too old too quickly. ....

435 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:31:56am

re: #414 Irish Rose

By the way, I'm still taking submissions for my super-secret blog hit list.
Just FYI.

I added you to my blogroll at http://www.viciousbabushka.com

436 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:32:17am

re: #432 Irish Rose
Yes Irish Rose I did - following some "thoughtful ideas" from another lizard here as to how to write it and what to say.

437 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:33:19am

re: #431 avanti

I'm looking. I keep looking and keeping my ears to the ground.

438 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:33:21am

re: #436 realwest

Yes Irish Rose I did - following some "thoughtful ideas" from another lizard here as to how to write it and what to say.

Thanks, it's been a pretty rough week all around.

439 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:33:43am

re: #434 justdanny

Homes the size of schools and hospitals for miles in every direction. Gardens like those of european royal families. Security stronger that on that on our southern border. The highest per capita income on the planet, in human history.

My neck hurts. Im getting too old too quickly. ....

justdanny ... I feel for you ... but those people are not the ones who are benefitting from your tax dollars ... they are probably paying much more in taxes than you think ...

440 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:34:07am

re: #430 haakondahl

Are you up there by where 2nd and 4th meet, with no 3rd in sight?

couple of miles south of there...that's the end of the line up there, all Sandia rez for the next six miles...just beautiful with the pastures and livestock etc...I live in a very unique spot imo

441 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:34:40am

re: #435 Alouette

Many thanks, returning the favor as we speak.

442 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:34:43am

re: #419 Irish Rose
Is AoS different from AtS?

443 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:35:29am

re: #434 justdanny

Homes the size of schools and hospitals for miles in every direction. Gardens like those of european royal families. Security stronger that on that on our southern border. The highest per capita income on the planet, in human history.

My neck hurts. Im getting too old too quickly. ....

True, but they have a high marginal tax rate, and doing there part to spread the wealth around a bit, I don't begrudge them their success, I'd love to be like them.

444 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:36:01am

re: #422 Fearless Fred OK,but it'll take some time to get there!

445 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:36:57am

re: #442 realwest

Is AoS different from AtS?

Ace of Spades
Atlas Shrugs

/different

446 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:38:06am

re: #433 realwest

Good morning (justdanny) I can certainly relate to your situation, being as how My take from SSDI doesn't amount to much more than $8.25 an hour either, although of course I NOW don't work to earn it; just drawing down on what I've paid into it.
But my friend, how do you know that some, a few, a majority or whatever of those folks in Atherton, Ca. didn't work just has hard as you do to get to where they are (at least in terms of housing)?
And how did you come up with THAT as a location?!


I'm not blaming these folks for my situation. And I dont know that they didnt work their way up from a bottom similar to where Im at today. But surely they now rely on guys like me making nothing to keep them where they are. I found Atherton through a link at yahoo. The wealthiest per capita income in America. These folks arent just rich, RW, they are filthy rich. And their are thousands of them in this one area.

447 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:38:16am

re: #401 realwest

LOL! Well I can't think of anyone who'd consider King Richard's domain "flyover country" and Austin (not Bezerkley) may be moonbat central these days! But I'll give y'all West Texas!
I'm doing more or less ok, thanks, how are you doing this morning?

Well, Austin is and has been semi-moonbat-ish for ages, --and is far more liberal than the rest of TX, I think, mostly because of UT-Austin. Kind of like how Athens GA is more liberal than GA as a whole.

I kind of wonder what people mean when they talk about "flyover country", really. It was introduced as a term of disparagement against the left, insinuating that they considered everything that wasn't either NYC, DC, or LA, SF, Hollywood was just "flyover"--but no one actually thinks that. It's weird.

448 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:39:13am

re: #438 Irish Rose
Yeah, I can imagine - and I'm very grateful for the assistance I received in how to write it and how or rather what to say.
Condolonces Rose - stay strong.

449 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:39:43am

re: #392 realwest

Basically it is, yes. GotC was kind enough to e-mail it to me two weeks ago in a Word format, so I could edit it and add, delete names and change descritpions of circumstances and all. For whatever reason, copy and pasting the prior list she maintained before she got banned left me unable to do that to The List. I'm actually contemplating making many changes to The List, but am waiting to hear if anyone else has any new news or any changes in circumstances first.


Roxana Saberi has been FREED!

450 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:40:24am

re: #439 JacksonTn
Im not talking about my tax dollars. Im talking about the profits guys like me generate so that folks like them can live like that. Story of our country.

451 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:40:30am

Not a single blog that was pushing the the Stimulus conspiracy theory issued a correction. Lying idiots.

452 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:40:52am

re: #445 Irish Rose
Ah, I thought AtS was Across the Street - Gulf Post Pundit.

453 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:41:28am

Ralph Peters torches BOs foreign policy

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

454 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:41:35am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Not a single blog that was pushing the the Stimulus conspiracy theory issued a correction. Lying idiots.

Why tell the truth when a lie will do?

455 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:42:02am

re: #434 justdanny

Homes the size of schools and hospitals for miles in every direction. Gardens like those of european royal families. Security stronger that on that on our southern border. The highest per capita income on the planet, in human history.

My neck hurts. Im getting too old too quickly. ....

Ok, fine, they got big homes, I'm not sure what you are asking or saying. Most of those folks probably made money, in some way or another. Even if they run warehouses, which pay you 8.25 an hour, they are doing it on their own.

So, do you have other skills? Are you trained in something else. Maybe it's not so much a matter of the amount of money you are making.

From your comments, you are also fed up with the sort of people you work with. So, jobs at 8.25 an hour are not rare or anything, maybe you get a 8.25 an hour job in a business where you enjoy the people and what you are doing.

Five years ago, I was making 82 thousand a year, I'm 56 now, got laid off, making 18 thousand a year, but I am doing it in a profession that I like. Makes it much more easy to accept that I probably will never be making those big bucks again.

Those people you work for, those people you work with don't owe you anything but the paycheck at the end of the pay period. That's about it. Short of breaking the law, they don't owe you anything else. It's the Scrooge management theory. You work, they pay, that's it, go home.

If I was in your position, I would look at myself and see what positive changes I could make in my life, not expecting others to change.

456 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:42:48am

I've always had a fondness for elephants....
Raw Video; Elephant Rescued from Ditch

Liveleak Video

It's heartbreaking to see the guy stuck like that but it has a happy ending.
457 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:44:22am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Not a single blog that was pushing the the Stimulus conspiracy theory issued a correction. Lying idiots.

(just sayin') ... Anyone who is "Pure of Heart" only rarely sees a need to.

/capitalization used for meldoramatic emphasis

458 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:45:18am

re: #456 Killgore Trout

I've always had a fondness for elephants....
Raw Video; Elephant Rescued from Ditch


[Video]
It's heartbreaking to see the guy stuck like that but it has a happy ending.

No wonder you always call out the Elephant in the Room!
Good morning

459 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:45:20am

re: #447 iceweasel
Well

I kind of wonder what people mean when they talk about "flyover country", really. It was introduced as a term of disparagement against the left, insinuating that they considered everything that wasn't either NYC, DC, or LA, SF, Hollywood was just "flyover"--but no one actually thinks that. It's weird.

not really so weird when you look at the election maps from 2000, 2004 and 2008. The "coasts" (including here Florida but excluding anything on the Atlantic south of D.C.) have been deep blue for a long time so to my way of thinking, not really weird at all. 2008 changed that map somewhat, but 2008 was a radically different election than any we've had in the last 20-25 years or so.

460 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:45:49am

AtS used to be "Across the Street", a euphemism for a site which I certainly hope has dried up and blown away. This was back before Geller flipped her lid.

461 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:46:44am

re: #457 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's such a bad strategy. People aren't going to listen to their message if conservative blogs are publishing outright lies. I hate to watch them do this to themselves.

462 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:47:03am

re: #458 HoosierHoops

Good morning.

463 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:47:38am

who ruined the Stimulous package?...

[Link: conspireality.tv...]

464 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:47:43am

re: #449 haakondahl
Thanks a lot hawk! I appreciate it.

465 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:47:51am

re: #437 justdanny

I'm looking. I keep looking and keeping my ears to the ground.

Short story about this great country. I retired from the Navy, but kept a low paying job running the auto hobby shop on the base. through that job, I met a auto parts store manager that offered me a commissioned sales rep job. Fast forward a year or two, and I became the top sales rep for the company and they decided I was making too much money and wanted to cut my commision so I quit on the spot.
It was a tough year or two for my family as we lived selling cheap watches, novelty items and the like at flea markets. We rented a tiny office to wholesale items to other vendors, then turned that into a stereo store.
After expanding the stereo store to 7 employees, I sold it after 10 years, and retired at 56 years old. Along the way, I met other that started with less, and did better.
One was selling magic books and tricks at flea markets with me, and now sells magic stuff to the tune of several million a year on ebay . BTW, he did not finish high school.

466 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:47:52am

re: #455 Walter L. Newton

I'm simply moaning and groaning, Mr Newton. I understand where I am and how I got here and all of the dynamics involved.

It is what it is and I am where I am of my own making. This morning LGF is a big ear. And all I need this morning is an ear. Sometimes thats all we need is an ear we know is listening.

467 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:48:12am

re: #461 Killgore Trout

It's such a bad strategy. People aren't going to listen to their message if conservative blogs are publishing outright lies. I hate to watch them do this to themselves.

Very VERY true.

468 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:48:49am

re: #408 justdanny

Morning good lizards. (bite my ass bad ones who will one day go off and join the stalker blog community) ;)

I was just looking at some stuff and I started thinking, I work my ass off, I really do. I work in a parts distribution warehouse where I take orders off the printer and then pull the parts off the shelves to load them on carts to be shipped hither and yawn. Around 50% of the stuff I handle weighs from 40 to 90 lbs.. I pull around 250 tickets in an 8 1/2 hour shift. The warehuse is so large that I walk from 10 to 15 miles a day. Carts don't go down isles so I spend most of my time carrying stuff. Heavy stuff. When I get home from work I disolve into bed for about an hour unable to move. My coworkers and management are among the most vile folks I have ever known. Racist, sexist, homophobic, socially backwards, mean spirited, angry awful folks. And I make $8.25 an hour. Barely enough to support myself on. Some months I have to swallow my pride and reach to friends for help paying bills. Currently I owe friends a total of $525 to friends.

So I was wondering, which started me looking. Where does all the money that I die to make for someone go. I literally see myself as the gritty oil slathered on the ground so that the massive rock can be slid. So I went looking for the massive rock. And I found it.
Atherton California.

I literally kill myself five and sometimes six days a week so that folks like these can live like this.

That's not true Danny. You are not the reason they are rich. If it were true that you were, then you'd be rich as well. You'd be compensated for your contribution to their accumulation of wealth. You must simply find a way to be worth more to somebody, or some company.

Its funny you mentioned Atherton -- I just got off the phone with someone in San Carlos, about two miles away.

469 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:49:02am

Fire apes Rule!
Why Are Humans Different From All Other Apes? It’s the Cooking, Stupid

The title of Mr. Wrangham’s new book — “Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human” — sounds a bit touchy-feely. Perhaps, you think, he has written a meditation on hearth and fellow feeling and s’mores. He has not. “Catching Fire” is a plain-spoken and thoroughly gripping scientific essay that presents nothing less than a new theory of human evolution, one he calls “the cooking hypothesis,” one that Darwin (among others) simply missed.

Apes began to morph into humans, and the species Homo erectus emerged some two million years ago, Mr. Wrangham argues, for one fundamental reason: We learned to tame fire and heat our food.

470 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:49:23am

re: #450 justdanny
Story of capitalism justdanny - you ain't ever gonna get rich unless and until you have folks working for you and making less money/benefits than they cost you.

471 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:50:37am

When it comes to the mideast, this shows what israel is up against .... even from a nation with which there is a peace treaty:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I think we can count on President Obama to be more sympathetic to the views of a dictator like mubarak than towards a democratic ally like Netanyahu. And that is beyong alarming to me.

472 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:50:49am

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Good morning.

KT I've got a real problem here...
It is impossible to surf the Internet outside in the sun by the pool..I escape into the shadows to post..
Here is what we need to invent..A button on the laptop that turns the screen negative mode...You could actually be able to read text..How hard could they be Lizards?
/rant off nice day

473 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:50:53am

re: #467 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It has really bummed me out over the past few months as I've deleted pretty much every right leaning blog from my bookmarks. I just can't trust them anymore. It's a little like losing friends.

474 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:51:42am

re: #469 Killgore Trout

Fire apes Rule!
Why Are Humans Different From All Other Apes? It’s the Cooking, Stupid

Verrry interesting!

475 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:51:55am

Godness, good lizards. Goodness. See 466. I have a mountain of laundry. Have a good day everyone.

476 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:52:06am

re: #469 Killgore Trout

Fire apes Rule!
Why Are Humans Different From All Other Apes? It’s the Cooking, Stupid



Fire apes, you say?

/so u herd i liek pokeymans

477 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:52:26am

re: #469 Killgore Trout

Fire apes Rule!
Why Are Humans Different From All Other Apes? It’s the Cooking, Stupid

He's pretty entertaining here ...[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]

478 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:52:35am

re: #472 HoosierHoops

KT I've got a real problem here...
It is impossible to surf the Internet outside in the sun by the pool..I escape into the shadows to post..
Here is what we need to invent..A button on the laptop that turns the screen negative mode...You could actually be able to read text..How hard could they be Lizards?
/rant off nice day

Put the laptop in a big box that you can stick you head in and blocks the light, looks silly, but works.

479 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:52:46am

re: #472 HoosierHoops

Try different sunglasses, maybe that would help with the glare. Maybe those yellow tinted ones. They also make sunglasses for fishermen that polarize the light in a such a way to help you see through water surface when there's a lot of glare.

480 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:52:46am

Justdanny, do you have any skills that you can freelance?
I have a freelance site linked on my blog... I'm a freelancer and I get a lot of work through them. You might want to check it out and see if they have any opportunities that would help you supplement your income.

481 Walter L. Newton  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:53:01am

re: #466 justdanny

I'm simply moaning and groaning, Mr Newton. I understand where I am and how I got here and all of the dynamics involved.

It is what it is and I am where I am of my own making. This morning LGF is a big ear. And all I need this morning is an ear. Sometimes thats all we need is an ear we know is listening.

Danny, that's my point, and I am am listening, and trying to help. You say... " I understand where I am and how I got here..." In a sense, that doesn't matter as much as what you ARE and where can you go from here. That's the ONLY thing that is important right now.

And don't call me Mr. newton. Have you ever read some of my snarky comments on here. I don't usually get that kind of kind response.

I've done a poll, and "jerk" is the most common name used.

:)

482 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:53:46am

re: #477 Fearless Fred

Thanks, watching now.

483 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:55:03am

re: #473 Killgore Trout

It has really bummed me out over the past few months as I've deleted pretty much every right leaning blog from my bookmarks. I just can't trust them anymore. It's a little like losing friends.

That's why this is the only blog I spend any time at. The honesty of the moderator and the high character of the Lizards makes it a quality cyber-hangout.

484 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:55:39am

re: #478 avanti

Put the laptop in a big box that you can stick you head in and blocks the light, looks silly, but works.

Do have any concept of Tan lines? For Gawd sake Avanti..I refuse to sit beside my pool with a box over my head...
Good morning Chief

485 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:55:45am

re: #481 Walter L. Newton

but you're a loveable jerk

;)

486 Born Again Republican  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:56:10am

re: #434 justdanny

Your definitely in the wrong business. They pay me $20 hr to clean their homes.

487 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:56:16am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Try different sunglasses, maybe that would help with the glare. Maybe those yellow tinted ones. They also make sunglasses for fishermen that polarize the light in a such a way to help you see through water surface when there's a lot of glare.

Great idea! Dude!

488 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:57:21am

re: #473 Killgore Trout

Condolences -- and seriously meant.

Your words just made me wonder about how (or if) I would've survived the past political year without LGF. I believe I see your point.

489 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:57:28am

re: #487 HoosierHoops

Hey Hoosier .... How bout the Magic last night! And what about LeBron's little hissy fit after the game. Not classy at all!

490 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:57:35am

I spent the weekend finishing up Rabbi Nathan Slifkin's book on Evolution, "The Challenge of Creation." This book is specifically written for 1) Religious Jews who 2) are uncomfortable with the DISHONESTY of the ID'ers (which he exposes very well in this book).

He explains the historical origin of the Hebrew calendar and shows, from traditional classical sources, that the universe was known to be billions of years old and the evolution of life forms is not in contradiction to the Book of Genesis, which is presented as a metaphysical and spiritual account in which there are many layers. Unlike say, the Commandments of the Scriptures for which we have an oral tradition as to how they are to be performed.

491 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:57:50am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Not a single blog that was pushing the the Stimulus conspiracy theory issued a correction. Lying idiots.

Like who? Give me a couple of names. I'm assuming you're right, I'm just really curious 'cause they're not (well, I don't know really) the 'conservative blogs' I read.

492 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:58:18am

re: #466 justdanny Well sometimes an ear and.........a shoulder to lean on or an arm to put around you.
You've got all three there (justdanny).

493 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 7:59:25am

re: #482 Killgore Trout

Thanks, watching now.

He says some hilarious ... outrageous stuff toward the end. It's a fun interview.

494 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:00:41am

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Do have any concept of Tan lines?

Yes ... the truth DOES have a way of coming out.
*snicker, rolls eyes*

495 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:02:13am

re: #473 Killgore Trout

It has really bummed me out over the past few months as I've deleted pretty much every right leaning blog from my bookmarks. I just can't trust them anymore. It's a little like losing friends.

I'm the same way Killgore. Most of the blogs that I used to link to are gone, and a few more are on the verge of going.

I'm a registered Republican and have been for many years... but seriously, I'm considering a switch. I'm a moderate, and the GOP just doesn't represent me any more. I resent the way that the party leaders kowtow and cater to the theocrats on the extreme right, and I want no part of it. We live in a Democracy, not a theocracy, and we need more cooperation between the parties and less polarization if we're going to get anything done on behalf of the people.

We're never going to have it until the GOP moves back to the center right, where it was 20 + years ago, and becomes a party for all the people again.

496 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:02:16am

re: #492 realwest
PIMF "You've got all three there (justdanny).
Sigh.

497 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:03:22am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Not a single blog that was pushing the the Stimulus conspiracy theory issued a correction. Lying idiots.

Who's surprised, though?

"i am shocked, SHOCKED, to discover gambling going on in this establishment!" (favourite Casablanca quote).

498 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:04:06am

re: #495 Irish Rose

I'm the same way Killgore. Most of the blogs that I used to link to are gone, and a few more are on the verge of going.

I'm a registered Republican and have been for many years... but seriously, I'm considering a switch. I'm a moderate, and the GOP just doesn't represent me any more. I resent the way that the party leaders kowtow and cater to the theocrats on the extreme right, and I want no part of it. We live in a Democracy, not a theocracy, and we need more cooperation between the parties and less polarization if we're going to get anything done on behalf of the people.

We're never going to have it until the GOP moves back to the center right, where it was 20 + years ago, and becomes a party for all the people again.


well said! and this is the worst possible time for the GOP to implode because we NEED a rational alternative to the Cult of Obama.

499 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:04:25am

I'm pissed at the republican party but honestly, the democrats are 1000 times worse on virtually every issue.

It sucks when you are faced with a lesser two evils choice.

kind of like a choice between taking Amtrak or Greyhound from Newark to Los Angeles.

both suck but the bus sucks worse

500 kawfytawk  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:04:34am

re: #408 justdanny

JD
I totally understand. We struggled mightily. Happy to find a quarter under the couch cushions for a package of ramen. We decided which bills to pay each month and what ones we could pay payments on. It is rough. But now we are one of those people in those homes you pointed to. The struggle was not lost on us..and I would venture to say it is not lost on a lot of those homeowners you described. I think it comes down to getting frustrated enough to do whatever it takes to get where you wanna be....BUT be careful what you wish for...the grass is NOT always greener.

501 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:04:41am

re: #489 _RememberTonyC

Hey Hoosier .... How bout the Magic last night! And what about LeBron's little hissy fit after the game. Not classy at all!

Well I have posted quite a bit about this last night..
First off..Skip Bayless has called this for the last 40 days..Every single day..
The Magic match up well against the Cavs and will beat them..
Howard just punched his ticket into monster land.. Odom gonna get some schooling this week...
King James showed no class..Did not shake the hand of any Magic player and refused to speak to the media...
I'll bet he woke up this morning completely embarrassed...
No class King

502 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:05:19am

Well it's been interesting as usual y'all but I gotta leave now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

503 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:05:56am

Ted Rall blowback...
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

>Transterrestrial Musings delivers a kick to Rall while he’s down. “It’s actually a sign of how good the economy has been for the last several years that a talentless hack like him could make a living in it.

504 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:06:06am

re: #501 HoosierHoops

no doubt Nike ain't happy.

can you imagine Tiger Woods storming off the 18th green after losing a playoff?

505 Shug  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:06:47am

re: #502 realwest

have a great day realwest.

506 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:06:52am

re: #408 justdanny

I literally kill myself five and sometimes six days a week so that folks like these can live like this.

No you don't. You slave away to support your family.

Danny, what do you want from life? More to the point, what do you want from the job market? Is your resume' up to date? Do you have good interview clothes? Do you look like somebody an office-type would hire?

Let me tell you a story, and briefly:

I was moving furniture for American Business Interiors in Albuquerque, which was the Office furnishings department of American Home Furnishings. Good company, good products, good people, good work environment--lots to like about it. The problem was that looking around, I saw men getting close to forty who were still using their actual backbones as the instrument of their family's fortune. I thought, One bad slip, and these guys will be shit out of luck, and so will their families. Then [and a lot happens here, but this is the short version], I put on a suit and went to a temp agency. I took some goofy test and filled out some goofy questionnaire concerning experience and aptitudes.
It sure looked like I was going to be moving furniture for the foreseeable future. But during the interview with the lady who had books and books full of positions waiting to be filled, I said, "I have answered these questions honestly and completely, and I think I have made a good case for going from moving furniture to running a pick system or getting a position where I can learn the management of the operation. But what I would really like is to work in an office somewhere, with air conditioning and chairs. I showed up today in a suit so that you can decide for yourself whether I would "fit in" in an office environment--I was in the Navy for four years, and I know how to behave myself when the boss is around, and likewise for when he isn't. Do you think you have anything in those other books that might be more like what I'm looking for?"

The next day I was opening the mail at Taco Bell Revenue Services in Rio Rancho, New Mexico. Upward mobility was rapid, although short-lived, as I had gotten a taste for this kind of thing, and decided to go to college.

Put on a suit, and *ask for what you want*.

507 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:08:14am

re: #501 HoosierHoops

I'll bet he woke up this morning completely embarrassed...

Not to mention many MANY voice messages from one Mr D. Stern

508 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:09:23am

re: #484 HoosierHoops

Do have any concept of Tan lines? For Gawd sake Avanti..I refuse to sit beside my pool with a box over my head...
Good morning Chief

Morning. The box does not over OVER your head, you just peek in. It's a choice between vanity and internet access. :)

509 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:09:41am

re: #491 Fearless Fred

Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, Atlas, Robert Spencer, and I think Instapundit also ran the story.

510 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:10:55am

re: #504 Shug

no doubt Nike ain't happy.

can you imagine Tiger Woods storming off the 18th green after losing a playoff?

Never..Disappointed yes..He would always shake your hand..And show grace in losing.. Tiger is one of the greatest Athletes of all time.. I have a man crush on Tiger...

511 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:11:07am

re: #500 kawfytawk

the grass is NOT always greener

(butting in)

In a multiple-metaphor sense, yes, it can be ... but people don't realize that it's what's inside ourselves when we get to the grass which matters.

/affluence is important, but character is far more so

512 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:11:52am

re: #501 HoosierHoops

Well I have posted quite a bit about this last night..
First off..Skip Bayless has called this for the last 40 days..Every single day..
The Magic match up well against the Cavs and will beat them..
Howard just punched his ticket into monster land.. Odom gonna get some schooling this week...
King James showed no class..Did not shake the hand of any Magic player and refused to speak to the media...
I'll bet he woke up this morning completely embarrassed...
No class King

I wasn't on here last night because I actually had work to do after the game, so I'm sorry I missed your posts. I actually think ORL matches up well with the Lakers, but the home court favors LA. However, in the 2/3/2 format, if the Magic can steal one of the first two games, they can wrap it up at home. Howard vs Bynum favors Dwight by a mile. And if Gasol has to guard Howard, he is gonna have big problems. Lewis is a tough matchup for either Pau or Ariza. And Turkoglu will be tough on Ariza if trevor has to check him. Kobe will kill anyone in a one on one, but Pietrus can guard him for about half the game and make him work for it. The coaching matchup favors LA by a lot. I think this is going 7 games and I really don't know who I am picking.

LBJ will have to have a news conference and apologize for that BS last night. It was beneath him.

513 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:11:55am

re: #507 sattv4u2

I'll bet he woke up this morning completely embarrassed...

Not to mention many MANY voice messages from one Mr D. Stern

the whole LJ mystique is overblown imo...last night was a good example of just how far he has to go yet...and he should get a smackdown from Stern...it's about the League and respect for the game...he needs to deal with that before he can be compared to Bird

514 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:13:40am

re: #500 kawfytawk

...the grass is NOT always greener and when it *IS greener, the thing that they don't tell you is it's because your water bills are WAY higher

I get so tired of people thinking that because someone is well off finacially, they don't have any worries, no problems. That they just sit around counting their cash and eating bon bons!

515 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:14:56am

re: #513 albusteve

the whole LJ mystique is overblown imo...last night was a good example of just how far he has to go yet...and he should get a smackdown from Stern...it's about the League and respect for the game...he needs to deal with that before he can be compared to Bird


the only slack I will cut LBJ is that he is still just 24 yrs old. that was more immaturity than lack of character. when I was 24, I did some dumb things. he has been perfect up until now. he will learn from this and I am SURE he will apologize.

516 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:15:07am

re: #509 Killgore Trout

Hot Air, Michelle Malkin, Atlas, Robert Spencer, and I think Instapundit also ran the story.

Thanks. Okay.
Does Charles still have an interest in Pajamas Media?

517 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:15:25am

re: #514 sattv4u2

...the grass is NOT always greener and when it *IS greener, the thing that they don't tell you is it's because your water bills are WAY higher

I get so tired of people thinking that because someone is well off finacially, they don't have any worries, no problems. That they just sit around counting their cash and eating bon bons!

And using their corporate pawns to push the poor, oppressed peoples of the world around like some kind of mad, twisted videogame!

/ q;

518 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:15:26am

and so it begins...another demand for an apology...I hate this petty bullshit

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

519 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:16:02am

re: #516 Fearless Fred

I don't think he's involved with them anymore but I don't really know.

520 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:16:46am

For the love of dinosaurs.....

Youtube Video
521 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:17:08am

re: #515 _RememberTonyC

the only slack I will cut LBJ is that he is still just 24 yrs old. that was more immaturity than lack of character. when I was 24, I did some dumb things. he has been perfect up until now. he will learn from this and I am SURE he will apologize.

true, but at 24 you weren't making 40 mil a year, were your own corporation and one of the faces of a professional sports league, all of which James accepted as part of the "deal'. With choices comes responsibilities no matter what age

522 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:17:08am

re: #516 Fearless Fred

Thanks. Okay.
Does Charles still have an interest in Pajamas Media?

Who's Medea, and what does she look like in pajamas?

523 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:17:22am

re: #512 _RememberTonyC

I wasn't on here last night because I actually had work to do after the game, so I'm sorry I missed your posts. I actually think ORL matches up well with the Lakers, but the home court favors LA. However, in the 2/3/2 format, if the Magic can steal one of the first two games, they can wrap it up at home. Howard vs Bynum favors Dwight by a mile. And if Gasol has to guard Howard, he is gonna have big problems. Lewis is a tough matchup for either Pau or Ariza. And Turkoglu will be tough on Ariza if trevor has to check him. Kobe will kill anyone in a one on one, but Pietrus can guard him for about half the game and make him work for it. The coaching matchup favors LA by a lot. I think this is going 7 games and I really don't know who I am picking.

LBJ will have to have a news conference and apologize for that BS last night. It was beneath him.

You know how much I hate LA right...If Kobe loses this series I will be the happiest man on the face of the Earth...
They could crown any team in the NBA over the Lakers and I'm at the water cooler the next day with a huge smile on my face..Can I get you some water?
/I hope the Magic just destroy the Lakers.. Even if it happens Kobe would shake the hands of all the players afterwards...

524 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:17:22am

re: #491 Fearless Fred

Like who? Give me a couple of names. I'm assuming you're right, I'm just really curious 'cause they're not (well, I don't know really) the 'conservative blogs' I read.

Malkin, for one, is still flogging it with her usual spittle-flecked zeal.

525 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:17:39am

re: #518 albusteve

The leaders are every bit as dumb as the base.

526 MacDuff  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:17:47am

re: #518 albusteve

and so it begins...another demand for an apology...I hate this petty bullshit

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Lindsey Graham is an annoying putz.

527 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:18:15am

re: #516 Fearless Fred

Thanks. Okay.
Does Charles still have an interest in Pajamas Media?

I believe not.

528 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:18:31am

re: #524 SixDegrees

Malkin, for one, is still flogging it with her usual spittle-flecked zeal.

Typical.

529 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:19:32am

re: #526 MacDuff

Lindsey Graham is an annoying putz.

PUTZ!
2pts

530 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:21:03am

advice needed ...

I am thinking of getting a new sound system ... I have had two bose systems in the past ... are they overrated? ... what is a good brand ...

531 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:21:09am

re: #525 Killgore Trout

The leaders are every bit as dumb as the base.

targets for my scorn are piling up fast...

532 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:21:41am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

Cute!
This cave-dweller wants to know where that came from. A movie, or TV?

533 Irish Rose  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:21:53am

Bose is worth the price, my opinion.

534 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:22:18am

re: #518 albusteve

and so it begins...another demand for an apology...I hate this petty bullshit

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

When you think about it, how many of us have not made a dumb statement in the last few years. Anyone that blogs is thus unlikely to be able to run for office with that trail to follow.
I've made a few that stick out to me. Once a 6 foot,10 black customer came in my store and I blurted out "play ball ? " without thinking and he asked "Why do you ask ?" Turned out once I got to know him, he was not even a fan.

535 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:23:16am

re: #532 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Looks like part of a TV show. I haven't been to the UK for over a year now so I'm not familiar with any of the new shows.

536 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:24:05am

re: #521 sattv4u2

true, but at 24 you weren't making 40 mil a year, were your own corporation and one of the faces of a professional sports league, all of which James accepted as part of the "deal'. With choices comes responsibilities no matter what age

you are absolutely right. but money doesn't make you responsible ... look at some of the kennedys.

537 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:24:31am

re: #490 Alouette

I spent the weekend finishing up Rabbi Nathan Slifkin's book on Evolution...

I read the summary by following the link. What conclusions does the author reach about the question, "Do scientific explanations of phenomena remove the need for a Designer?", as set out on the summary page?

538 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:24:36am

re: #533 Irish Rose

Bose is worth the price, my opinion.

You can never go wrong with them..But Me and my Buddies have switched our systems using High Def sound systems on a computer...
Good speakers off the shelf rock like crazy...

539 MacDuff  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:24:53am

re: #530 JacksonTn

advice needed ...

I am thinking of getting a new sound system ... I have had two bose systems in the past ... are they overrated? ... what is a good brand ...

Way pricey, but you get what you pay for. Excellent product, IMO.

540 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:25:03am

re: #530 JacksonTn

advice needed ...

I am thinking of getting a new sound system ... I have had two bose systems in the past ... are they overrated? ... what is a good brand ...

In the stereo business, we had a saying: "all highs, and all lows, must be Bose" They are what we called a tinkle/boom system, impressive at first, but not a accurate system and lacking mid range.

541 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:27:21am

re: #534 avanti

When you think about it, how many of us have not made a dumb statement in the last few years. Anyone that blogs is thus unlikely to be able to run for office with that trail to follow.
I've made a few that stick out to me. Once a 6 foot,10 black customer came in my store and I blurted out "play ball ? " without thinking and he asked "Why do you ask ?" Turned out once I got to know him, he was not even a fan.

You met a 6' 10" Black man that wasn't even a fan of Basketball?
And had no idea why you would even ask?
This I gotta hear....Go on Chief

542 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:27:27am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

I'm not much of a fan of glitzed-up stuff, but that left me chuckling. There was a certain degree of understatement, which the Brits do so well.

/Told about it beforehand, I probably wouldn't have even watched it

543 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:28:12am

re: #523 HoosierHoops

You know how much I hate LA right...If Kobe loses this series I will be the happiest man on the face of the Earth...
They could crown any team in the NBA over the Lakers and I'm at the water cooler the next day with a huge smile on my face..Can I get you some water?
/I hope the Magic just destroy the Lakers.. Even if it happens Kobe would shake the hands of all the players afterwards...


we were hoping for LA vs Cleve because the ratings would have been huge. but at least the lakers are in there, so the numbers should be about 85% of what they'd have been with LeBron. I agree on Kobe ... he learned a lot from the sexual assault trial from a few years ago. His PR skills are excellent, but he is a phony.

544 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:29:29am

I think I could stay with you.


Youtube Video
545 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:30:54am

re: #538 HoosierHoops

You can never go wrong with them..But Me and my Buddies have switched our systems using High Def sound systems on a computer...
Good speakers off the shelf rock like crazy...

Spent a week on BOSE Mountain, the factory when I was in the business. They are a marketing company, not a great sound company. I recall the old AM 5 systems we sold, our cost was $350, sold for a fixed retail of $749.95 and costs Bose about $70 to make, but they spent another $50/unit in advertising.
I've never seen a Bose system well reviewed by a stereo magazine, check the net for speaker reviews. A few years back B & W was one of the best, but have not kept up.

546 laZardo  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:30:59am

Gonna head to bed. Cheers.

547 legalpad  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:31:47am

I'm not sure about that.

548 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:32:17am

re: #541 HoosierHoops

You met a 6' 10" Black man that wasn't even a fan of Basketball?
And had no idea why you would even ask?
This I gotta hear....Go on Chief

I rather thought that the man had heard it all before, and wasn't goiong to be fazed or goaded by an ignorant remark.

Good on both of them, I thought.

549 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:32:48am

re: #543 _RememberTonyC

we were hoping for LA vs Cleve because the ratings would have been huge. but at least the lakers are in there, so the numbers should be about 85% of what they'd have been with LeBron. I agree on Kobe ... he learned a lot from the sexual assault trial from a few years ago. His PR skills are excellent, but he is a phony.

I watched Kobe completely destroy the Pacers in the Finals..There is no paul piece shutting down Kobe this year...I'm rooting for the Magic..Beat LA!

550 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:32:52am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Not a single blog that was pushing the the Stimulus conspiracy theory issued a correction. Lying idiots.

First, they'd have to admit being wrong, and that can't happen.
Second, even if they could admit it, they wouldn't. They consider is payback for the democrats spurious behavior in all dealings.

551 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:32:52am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Looks like part of a TV show. I haven't been to the UK for over a year now so I'm not familiar with any of the new shows.

See The Wrong Door for a full explanation.

552 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:33:03am

re: #541 HoosierHoops

You met a 6' 10" Black man that wasn't even a fan of Basketball?
And had no idea why you would even ask?
This I gotta hear....Go on Chief

Unconscious stereotype got past my 'couth' filter.

553 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:33:33am

re: #537 John Neverbend

I read the summary by following the link. What conclusions does the author reach about the question, "Do scientific explanations of phenomena remove the need for a Designer?", as set out on the summary page?

He has several chapters devoted to that, which is, scientific explanations of natural processes enhance, rather than remove, the belief in the Primary Designer.

554 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:34:20am

re: #550 unrealizedviewpoint

I sure love to have an edit function.
*sigh*

555 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:35:14am

Morning.....

556 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:35:36am

I have a set of Bose in-ear phones that is the best $100 I've spent for music. But not because they are particularly good speakers--because the damned things fit in my ear and DON'T POP OUT. Amazingly, for this great wooden head of mine, I have comparatively tiny earholes. Must be part of the Viking stronghead defense system. But I have been nothing more than frustrated by in-ear phones for twenty years--until these.

So I con't complain about Bose, pricey or no.

557 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:35:45am

another naked young girl scandle?....


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

558 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:36:11am

re: #551 John Neverbend

Thanks!

559 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:37:43am

re: #555 vxbush

Morning.....

Good morning.

560 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:38:01am

re: #557 albusteve

another naked young girl scandle?....


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

LGF traffic will resume speed in ninety seconds.

561 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:38:09am

re: #555 vxbush

'Sup?

562 razorbacker  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:38:17am

Bose.

I'm not an audiophile. I don't hear the full spectrum of sound, perhaps due to a lifetime spent shooting, revving insufficently muffled V-8 engines, and sitting next to the stage at honky-tonks.

But about 12 or 15 years ago I bought a Bose for the wife, who loves music. She has been very happy with it. When the digital display went dark, Bose fixed it free. That has been the sum total of trouble with the box.

Too expensive, I thought when buying it. The more-than-a-decade of service to my beloved wife means that it really wasn't that expensive after all.

YMMV

563 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:38:29am

re: #556 haakondahl

I have a set of Bose in-ear phones that is the best $100 I've spent for music. But not because they are particularly good speakers--because the damned things fit in my ear and DON'T POP OUT. Amazingly, for this great wooden head of mine, I have comparatively tiny earholes. Must be part of the Viking stronghead defense system. But I have been nothing more than frustrated by in-ear phones for twenty years--until these.

So I con't complain about Bose, pricey or no.

I have a pair of Sony in-ear noise reduction earbuds; I love 'em. They retail for about $70. Great for air travel. I've done side by side comparisons with the Bose noise reduction headphones (when they gave me those in Business Class, but I had my Sonys along anyway), and found the Sonys performed at least as well as the $400 Bose. Also, much smaller, and very comfortable. And they stay in my ears.

564 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:38:47am

re: #556 haakondahl

I have a set of Bose in-ear phones that is the best $100 I've spent for music. But not because they are particularly good speakers--because the damned things fit in my ear and DON'T POP OUT. Amazingly, for this great wooden head of mine, I have comparatively tiny earholes. Must be part of the Viking stronghead defense system. But I have been nothing more than frustrated by in-ear phones for twenty years--until these.

So I con't complain about Bose, pricey or no.

The ear phones, especially the noise canceling are a except to my comment. They are state of the art, and were originally designed for pilots. Bose makes tons of markup on them too, but they are a quality item.

565 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:38:55am

re: #559 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good morning.

"Good" is a bit much today, alas. Bad night, but it's over. You are well today, I hope?

566 albusteve  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:39:02am

re: #560 haakondahl

LGF traffic will resume speed in ninety seconds.

I keep several around the house all the time...what's the big deal?

567 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:39:36am

re: #561 MandyManners

'Sup?

Not me. I couldn't wake up in time for church, so I'm home, fighting the kitty to reach the keyboard.

568 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:39:49am

re: #557 albusteve

another naked young girl scandle?....


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Young girl = children. What's wrong with "WOMAN"?

569 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:40:08am

"child".

570 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:40:12am

re: #557 albusteve

another naked young girl scandle?....

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I'm kind of surprised that this is considered a "scandal" in Italy. I would have thought the Italians would expect that someone like Silvio would be philandering with young women.

571 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:41:05am

re: #551 John Neverbend

Thanks. Looks like a pretty good show.

572 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:41:48am

re: #568 MandyManners

Young girl = children. What's wrong with "WOMAN"?

I've been around the world
looking for that woman-girl
who knows love can endure
And you know it will

573 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:42:17am

re: #568 MandyManners

What's wrong with "WOMAN"?

I dunno. You tell me.

574 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:42:22am

re: #567 vxbush

Due to his lack of sleep Friday night, I didn't make The Kid go to church this morning--he's still sleeping.

575 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:42:27am

re: #565 vxbush

"Good" is a bit much today, alas. Bad night, but it's over. You are well today, I hope?

Very well, thank you.

/replying "good" was admittedly fishing on my part -- hang tough

576 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:42:52am

re: #570 Occasional Reader

I'm kind of surprised that this is considered a "scandal" in Italy. I would have thought the Italians would expect that someone like Silvio would be philandering with young women.

Veronica has had enough.

577 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:42:59am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Looks like part of a TV show. I haven't been to the UK for over a year now so I'm not familiar with any of the new shows.

Britcom is the best though!

I think the Brits excel at the comedy of social embarrassment; the difference between the UK and US versions of the Office really show our cultural differences, in my opinion. Both brilliant shows yet so different!

Peep Show, Pulling, --also brill. Though you likely already know them as they were around last year (and before that). League of gentleman...so many good shows!

578 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:43:11am

re: #562 razorbacker

Bose.

I'm not an audiophile. I don't hear the full spectrum of sound, perhaps due to a lifetime spent shooting, revving insufficently muffled V-8 engines, and sitting next to the stage at honky-tonks.

But about 12 or 15 years ago I bought a Bose for the wife, who loves music. She has been very happy with it. When the digital display went dark, Bose fixed it free. That has been the sum total of trouble with the box.

Too expensive, I thought when buying it. The more-than-a-decade of service to my beloved wife means that it really wasn't that expensive after all.

YMMV

If you like the way the speakers sound, that's all that counts. A audiophile wants the sound to be as close to "live" as possible, but I've had customers cringe at a accurate speaker playing a sax for example, and many prefer boomy bass. As mentioned, once you're over 25 or so, you ears are no longer accurate either.

579 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:43:17am

re: #572 Occasional Reader

I've been around the world
looking for that woman-girl
who knows love can endure
And you know it will

Led Zeppelin?

580 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:43:26am

re: #552 avanti

Unconscious stereotype got past my 'couth' filter.

Avanti..Are you sure?
Permission to approach the witness your Honor?
Granted..
Avanti.. Are you sure this Man was 6' 10"?
Have you ever seen a 6'10" man? I met Dr. Dunk in the elevator below the Conseco Center one night.. The first thing I did was high five him..
You sure he wasn't like 6'3" or something.. Oh I met Bill Walton in an airport..
Did you know that dude can't walk..He limps..Very sad.. my Grandma could take him to the hole..
/I'm teasing you Avanti..I'm at the pool

581 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:43:27am

re: #574 MandyManners

Due to his lack of sleep Friday night, I didn't make The Kid go to church this morning--he's still sleeping.

Son was at camp this last week, and he got home Friday. Saturday we let him sleep in and he made it until 10:00. This is the guy who usually is up with the sun at 5:30.

582 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:43:39am

re: #545 avanti

The only sound system I've heard recently that truly awed me was Bang & Olufsen equipment. Plus, it's oh so pretty. But damn, if they don't charge a wee bit of a premium for all that deliciousness.

583 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:44:20am

re: #568 MandyManners

What's wrong with "WOMAN"?

We men ask ourselves that question all the time.
/

584 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:44:49am

re: #579 MandyManners

Led Zeppelin?

MM .... CS&N ... I believe ... been a long time

585 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:45:25am

re: #579 MandyManners

Nope.

Youtube Video
586 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:45:30am

Re: speakers and ear buds:

I don't know what it is about me, but ear buds don't fit my ears well at all--they're always too big. But if I go with old-fashioned headphones, the pressure of the sound starts hurting my ears. Both have problems.

587 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:45:31am

re: #579 MandyManners

Led Zeppelin?

"Southern Cross", Stephen Stills.

588 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:46:40am

re: #579 MandyManners

CSN!
BTW...Mornin' all. Ya know what sucks? It's Sunday, try to sleep in, slept in exactly one frakkin' hour! Was up at 6 am. Not cool!

589 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:46:52am

On a serious note, is this a harbinger of things to come?

LWJ -- Taliban attack paramilitary camp in South Waziristan

An 8 hour battle.
Baitullah Mehsud is making preparations.

590 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:47:59am

re: #579 MandyManners

Led Zeppelin?

OR would probably reply ... "Lima'alone"

591 legalpad  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:48:00am

re: #568 MandyManners

Young girl = children. What's wrong with "WOMAN"?

Absolutely nothing. That just perfect.

592 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:48:10am

re: #586 vxbush

Re: speakers and ear buds:

I don't know what it is about me, but ear buds don't fit my ears well at all--they're always too big. But if I go with old-fashioned headphones, the pressure of the sound starts hurting my ears. Both have problems.

Those Sony ones I mentioned come with a couple of different sizes of soft rubber buds. Shure earbuds do the same; but I tried them, didn't like them much. They're designed such that you have to wedge them fairly deep into your outer ear canal; it's uncomfortable. The Sony ones just perch lightly just in the outer ear; very nice.

593 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:48:55am

re: #589 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Well, it is in that tribal area. IIRC, the dress code there requires an AK and a bandolier of ammo and a big knife at all times!

594 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:49:04am

re: #592 Occasional Reader

Those Sony ones I mentioned come with a couple of different sizes of soft rubber buds. Shure earbuds do the same; but I tried them, didn't like them much. They're designed such that you have to wedge them fairly deep into your outer ear canal; it's uncomfortable. The Sony ones just perch lightly just in the outer ear; very nice.

That helps, but only takes care of half my problem. I just get such a bad headache if I use headphones of any style. The pressure on my ears gets too high.

595 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:49:29am

re: #581 vxbush

Son was at camp this last week, and he got home Friday. Saturday we let him sleep in and he made it until 10:00. This is the guy who usually is up with the sun at 5:30.

I'm thinking of sending him to camp next year. My sister's SO is a graduate of Le Rosey, as were a few of her sorority sisters, so she's thinking of sending him there when he's about 12 or 13 for one of their summer programs. I don't know. Gstaad is a ways away. But, he'd have a blast.

596 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:49:51am

re: #593 pingjockey

Well, it is in that tribal area. IIRC, the dress code there requires an AK and a bandolier of ammo and a big knife at all times!

Heh:

"No, Julio, that belt just doesn't go with that AK-47. And you're wearing your knife wrong. Remember, you're left handed!"

597 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:50:07am

re: #580 HoosierHoops

I'm teasing you Avanti..I'm at the pool

Avanti's justified in wanting to "box" your ears.

598 _RememberTonyC  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:50:13am

re: #549 HoosierHoops

I watched Kobe completely destroy the Pacers in the Finals..There is no paul piece shutting down Kobe this year...I'm rooting for the Magic..Beat LA!


don't tell my boss .... but I'm with ya' dawg!

599 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:50:17am

re: #588 pingjockey

CSN!
BTW...Mornin' all. Ya know what sucks? It's Sunday, try to sleep in, slept in exactly one frakkin' hour! Was up at 6 am. Not cool!

At 5:30 am every morning every bird in the world visits our window..It is a racket...I wish whatever day God created birds he would have gone golfing..Cause there ain't enough pillows to silence them..
Good morning

600 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:51:15am

re: #595 MandyManners

I'm thinking of sending him to camp next year. My sister's SO is a graduate of Le Rosey, as were a few of her sorority sisters, so she's thinking of sending him there when he's about 12 or 13 for one of their summer programs. I don't know. Gstaad is a ways away. But, he'd have a blast.

The camp the son goes to is specifically for those with physical and/or mental disabilities, and they do an absolutely fantastic job. He has gone for like 8 years, and he just loves it.

If you know of a good camp that you're comfortable with, send him. Good experiences make all the difference.

601 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:51:17am

re: #596 vxbush
Mwahaha! Have got "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" on. I do believe Antonio Banderas' body count reaches Ahhnolds in "Commando"!

602 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:51:18am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

Thanks. Looks like a pretty good show.

I'd never seen it until I saw the clip. As Brian Blessed is one of the actors, this is motivation for me to look for other episodes.

603 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:51:43am

re: #596 vxbush

Heh:

"No, Julio, that belt just doesn't go with that AK-47. And you're wearing your knife wrong. Remember, you're left handed!"

"Pearls with a drum magazine?! Are you mad?!"

/btw... a Taliban named "Julio"?

604 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:51:58am

re: #597 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Avanti's justified in wanting to "box" your ears.

Morning Brat! Hope today finds you well..

605 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:52:31am

re: #603 Occasional Reader

"Pearls with a drum magazine?! Are you mad?!"

/btw... a Taliban named "Julio"?

Hey, I was reaching. Something made me think of a retro-punk Mexican doing fashionista.

606 razorbacker  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:52:33am

Audio in general.

Remember those speakers we had in college? You know, those big ol' steamer-trunk-sized wood boxes that weighed more than your girlfriend? Yeah, we loved those thumpers.

Compare those old paper-coned behemoths to a modern speaker system. Man, it knocks me out to hear all that clear sound coming out of a speaker that I can cover with a paper-back book.

607 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:52:34am

re: #599 HoosierHoops
Good morning back. Our feathered alarms clocks have moved. The guy across the street trimmed his evergreens and the blue jays left!

608 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:52:35am

Today's conservative outrage: Obama goes to New York, eats dinner, sees show....
Blaming Obama for the night on Broadway?

Only the Tea Parties can prevent this Marxist madness!

609 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:53:41am

re: #601 pingjockey

Mwahaha! Have got "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" on. I do believe Antonio Banderas' body count reaches Ahhnolds in "Commando"!

I definitely want a few of those 500-round pistol mags that Antonio (apparently) has in that flick.

610 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:53:49am

re: #608 Killgore Trout

Today's conservative outrage: Obama goes to New York, eats dinner, sees show....
Blaming Obama for the night on Broadway?

Only the Tea Parties can prevent this Marxist madness!

Where did I read the article comparing the cost of that night trip to spending weeks at Crawford, Texas? Can't recall, but it would be interesting to compare the amounts.

611 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:54:08am

re: #580 HoosierHoops

/I'm teasing you Avanti..I'm at the pool


At the pool ? You must be a rich, caviar eating white person.

612 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:54:33am

re: #609 Occasional Reader
I like the sawed off shotgun that shoots lotsa smoke and pyrotechnics!

613 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:54:57am

re: #611 avanti

At the pool ? You must be a rich, caviar eating white person.

I can't stand Caviar...

614 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:55:13am

re: #608 Killgore Trout
Is that all they can find to bitch about? Sheesh.

615 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:55:18am

re: #605 vxbush

Hey, I was reaching. Something made me think of a retro-punk Mexican doing fashionista.

Now, besides olive drab, what color should every fashion-conscious Taliban use?

I'm thinking sky blue.....

616 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:55:39am

re: #610 vxbush

I'm sure Bush went to other places too. Presidents travel.

617 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:55:51am

re: #613 HoosierHoops
Fish eggs...Blech!

618 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:56:29am

re: #616 Killgore Trout

I'm sure Bush went to other places too. Presidents travel.

No disagreement. It's more interesting to me why Obama didn't take Air Force One.

619 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:56:37am

re: #614 pingjockey

I have plenty of issue with Obama but when his critics have to resort to this kind of stuff it's a sign they have a very weak case.

620 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:56:39am

re: #608 Killgore Trout

On Broadway?!


Youtube Video
621 legalpad  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:56:54am

A couple of my favorite audio files:
Rolling Stones

Like a Rock

622 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:57:00am

re: #615 vxbush
Khaki is never out of style.

623 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:57:09am

re: #608 Killgore Trout

Today's conservative outrage: Obama goes to New York, eats dinner, sees show....
Blaming Obama for the night on Broadway?

Only the Tea Parties can prevent this Marxist madness!

Saw another on Fox just now. They spun the Black Panthers at the inner city polling place to the moon. Apparently they were there to intimidate the poll watchers so ACORN could steal the election.

624 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:57:30am

re: #620 MandyManners

I loves me some Motown.

625 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:57:36am

re: #619 Killgore Trout
Yep. It's just snarky. So he took the wife to dinner and a show. BFD.

626 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:57:38am

re: #622 pingjockey

Khaki is never out of style.

Yes, but we need an accent color. Something to draw the eye, you know? You can only wear so much olive drab.

627 razorbacker  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:57:53am

Why is it that in British crime shows everyone has a pistol? I thought that handguns were outlawed there.

It's almost as though criminals don't obey laws. Perish the thought.

628 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:58:05am

re: #606 razorbacker

Audio in general.

Remember those speakers we had in college? You know, those big ol' steamer-trunk-sized wood boxes that weighed more than your girlfriend? Yeah, we loved those thumpers.

Compare those old paper-coned behemoths to a modern speaker system. Man, it knocks me out to hear all that clear sound coming out of a speaker that I can cover with a paper-back book.

I'm kind of waiting for an excuse to replace my quite nice, but old-fashioned-enormous Paradigm speakers with a couple of cool little modern dealies. I might even spring for B&O this time (since I've gotten a good... hmm... 16 years' use out of the Paradigms).

629 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:58:20am

re: #593 pingjockey

Well, it is in that tribal area. IIRC, the dress code there requires an AK and a bandolier of ammo and a big knife at all times!

Someone (civil gov't or military, I forget which) said recently that they're not going to take the fight to the Tribal Areas. Mehsud doesn't believe them.

/user's preference automatically deleted by RegistrationPreservation.Macro

630 lostlakehiker  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:58:22am

All this would be clearer if photons were bigger. Say you want to get a good look at a billiard ball on a billiard table. You want to know where it is and how fast it's going.

You can't see. "Seeing" is our metaphor for hitting things with photons and then observing the ricochets. So, you've got a BB gun and two kinds of BB's and a bunch of bells lined up in a grid. If one gets hit, it rings and signals your computer that it got rung. You can tell which kind of BB hit by the sound of the ring.

You have little blue BBs. They're heavy and they hit hard, but when you get one of those ricocheting off from where you aimed, you know from the fact that it bounced off that the thing it hit was where you were aiming. (Aiming blind, but you know which direction your gun was pointing.) You also have big red balloons. They're light and they don't hit hard, but with no atmosphere to slow them down, they too shoot straight. When a red balloon ricochets, you know from the fact that it bounced that the thing it hit was somewhere in the way of that broad cross section of your balloon.


You can get a good fix on a billiard ball by shooting it with blue BB's, because you can tell from the pattern of which ones come back at you and which ones just go downrange and don't come back, where the billiard was. But in shooting the billiard with all those BB's you change its motion.

You can get a bit of a fix on a billiard ball by bouncing balloons off it, and you won't much change its velocity. There's your tradeoff.

But then it really gets weird. Thing is, the uncertainty in your measurements isn't just because the billiard ball HAS a definite position and a definite velocity, only you can't measure both simultaneously with unlimited accuracy. The is-ness of where the ball IS and what its velocity IS is uncertain. There's this inherent uncertainty built into reality. And worse yet, it's not just dice rolling. What one particle will do here can be correlated with what another particle does over there, even when there is no way at all to know what either particle will do until you just run the experiment and see. How do they communicate? They don't. But their destinies are entangled.

And then it gets weirder. We can actually use this to do computations that examine simultaneously a vast number of cases. We can, in principle [and as demonstrated laboratory fact on a small scale] run calculations that would be physically impossible in a Newtonian clockwork universe.

e=mc^2 is simple in comparison. There really is a world in a grain of sand.

631 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:58:50am

re: #608 Killgore Trout

Today's conservative outrage: Obama goes to New York, eats dinner, sees show....
Blaming Obama for the night on Broadway?

Only the Tea Parties can prevent this Marxist madness!

Please tell me why my tax dollars should fund his date night in NYC.

The White House refused to say how much the trip was costing taxpayers.

632 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:58:57am

re: #626 vxbush
Black is good. Or a nice earth tone green. Ahahaha! Jeez those guys would be pissed if they could see these comments!

633 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:58:58am

re: #618 vxbush

No disagreement. It's more interesting to me why Obama didn't take Air Force One.

I'm a little surprised by that, too. I'd have thought the USSS would freak if he weren't taking AF1, given all the security stuff that's gone into that plane.

634 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:59:09am

re: #599 HoosierHoops

At 5:30 am every morning every bird in the world visits our window..It is a racket...I wish whatever day God created birds he would have gone golfing..Cause there ain't enough pillows to silence them..

And it's hard to sneak up behind them, too.

635 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:59:30am

re: #628 Occasional Reader

I'm kind of waiting for an excuse to replace my quite nice, but old-fashioned-enormous Paradigm speakers with a couple of cool little modern dealies. I might even spring for B&O this time (since I've gotten a good... hmm... 16 years' use out of the Paradigms).

My dad, the electrical engineer, built his own speakers. He was all about playing organ music and making sure he could hear the 16-foot pipes at the bass end of the organ. He had the CD he would always play for you when you visited, just so he could show off his speakers. So funny.

636 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:59:43am

re: #623 avanti

Those guys probably should have been charged. But with all the nonsense going on these days I haven't really followed the legal reasoning why the charges were dropped. It was wrong but it was an isolated indecent and didn't effect the outcome of the election.

637 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:59:47am

re: #610 vxbush

Where did I read the article comparing the cost of that night trip to spending weeks at Crawford, Texas? Can't recall, but it would be interesting to compare the amounts.

Obama even asked for a Lear jet AF 1, maybe he should have taken the bus. BTW, he had promised the first lady that date if he won, and it did cost less then a flight to Texas by Bush, not that I'd deny either one a day off.

638 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 8:59:53am

re: #623 avanti

Saw another on Fox just now. They spun the Black Panthers at the inner city polling place to the moon. Apparently they were there to intimidate the poll watchers so ACORN could steal the election.

Actually, one of the accused was a credentialed poll worker. Carrying a nightstick.

Nothing wrong with that.

/

639 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:00:15am

re: #619 Killgore Trout

I have plenty of issue with Obama but when his critics have to resort to this kind of stuff it's a sign they have a very weak case.

Actually no, their case is quite strong, but they keep allowing themselves to get tracked on the minutia. Focus!

640 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:00:18am

re: #549 HoosierHoops

I watched Kobe completely destroy the Pacers in the Finals..There is no paul piece shutting down Kobe this year...I'm rooting for the Magic..Beat LA!

Magic beat Lakers in their two regular season meetings.

Going to be a matter of Dwight Howard vs Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Powell, and maybe Mbenga gets off the bench.

Kobe will not win or lose this series, except as a passer and defender.

641 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:00:52am

re: #629 pre-Boomer Marine brat
WTF is that at the bottom of your post?

642 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:01:22am

re: #469 Killgore Trout

Fire apes Rule!
Why Are Humans Different From All Other Apes? It’s the Cooking, Stupid

Dude, that looks really interesting. Thanks for posting the link...

643 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:01:22am

re: #604 HoosierHoops

Morning Brat! Hope today finds you well..

Yes, I'm very well.
I hope your tan is coming along magnificently.

644 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:01:31am

All that bitching about Bush spending too much time in Crawford really killed the Democrats in the midterm and presidential elections, didn't it?

645 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:01:31am

re: #630 lostlakehiker

LostThreadPoster, more like.

646 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:01:41am

re: #633 Occasional Reader

I'm a little surprised by that, too. I'd have thought the USSS would freak if he weren't taking AF1, given all the security stuff that's gone into that plane.

If he wanted this to be understood as a private function and not as president, then I can see not taking AF1. But whether you like it or not you are president 24/7. You have to stay in contact with the military, the state, etc. I don't like the idea of him traveling with such limited security and "out of earshot," as it were. Blackberry or no blackberry.

647 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:02:17am

re: #628 Occasional Reader

[Link: www.steinwaylyngdorf.com...]

Try these. As long as your hedge fund is still OK.

648 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:02:31am

re: #600 vxbush

The camp the son goes to is specifically for those with physical and/or mental disabilities, and they do an absolutely fantastic job. He has gone for like 8 years, and he just loves it.

If you know of a good camp that you're comfortable with, send him. Good experiences make all the difference.

That sounds like a marvelous place!

649 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:02:43am

re: #634 haakondahl

And it's hard to sneak up behind them, too.

You have no idea how many times I've wanted to get up go outside and shoot a shotgun in the air and go back to bed...
There are 2 problems..I don't have a shotgun (yet)
And they would just come back in 15 minutes...
Life is not fair

650 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:03:06am

re: #646 vxbush
Believe me, he had all the security and comms needed. The Pres. Doesn't go anywhere without all that shit. Ever.

651 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:03:08am

re: #648 MandyManners

That sounds like a marvelous place!

Yes, and the couple that run it are just fantastic. They are the best.

652 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:03:21am

re: #631 loppyd

Please tell me why my tax dollars should fund his date night in NYC.


Because we paid for Condi's shoe shopping in NYC, Bush's trips to his ranch. We've been paying for elected official's travel probably for a couple hundred years. The selective outrage just because it's Obama is insincere. Where were your complaints about Bush using Airforce one for the past 8 years?

653 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:03:36am

re: #618 vxbush

No disagreement. It's more interesting to me why Obama didn't take Air Force One.

I think that thing is Jumbo Jetta Non Grata over there right now.

654 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:03:40am

re: #631 loppyd

Please tell me why my tax dollars should fund his date night in NYC.

The White House refused to say how much the trip was costing taxpayers.

Sure, same reason we paid Bush to fly to the ranch, security. The POTUS can't just hop on a commercial plane when he wants time off.

Again, pressing the WH for the expense will likely bring up the cost to fly the much bigger jet for other POTUS's. NYCdategate is going no where.

655 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:03:41am

re: #623 avanti

Saw another on Fox just now. They spun the Black Panthers at the inner city polling place to the moon. Apparently they were there to intimidate the poll watchers so ACORN could steal the election.

IIRC that case actually dates back to 2006. The AG Holder just dismissed when they had an uncontested conviction in the bag.

656 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:04:35am

re: #642 christheprofessor

I added it to my list for when I can afford to start buying books again. Some of his previous books look really interesting too.

657 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:05:12am

Good to see you online, CtP. Haven't seen you in an age. You are well, I hope?

658 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:05:17am

re: #636 Killgore Trout

Those guys probably should have been charged. But with all the nonsense going on these days I haven't really followed the legal reasoning why the charges were dropped. It was wrong but it was an isolated indecent and didn't effect the outcome of the election.

Agreed, the one guy with the night stick was told to leave it at home, but that was it.

659 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:05:18am

re: #530 JacksonTn

advice needed ...

I am thinking of getting a new sound system ... I have had two bose systems in the past ... are they overrated? ... what is a good brand ...

Have a look at NAD.

660 razorbacker  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:05:19am

I'm going to do something else. Maybe go fishing, maybe dig in the flower beds a while, maybe just find a sunbeam and lay in it like a big old fat housecat.

I wouldn't want to leave without a little gift for y'all. And this talk of speakers and sound systems reminded me of just why they are desired. 'Cause without them, you just can't enjoy the true genius that is the hallmark of contemporary music.

I paid good money to be able to hear this?

661 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:06:09am

re: #641 pingjockey

WTF is that at the bottom of your post?

Perhaps Kissinger's quip about the Iran/Iraq war had come to mind.

662 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:06:26am

re: #646 vxbush

If he wanted this to be understood as a private function and not as president, then I can see not taking AF1. But whether you like it or not you are president 24/7. You have to stay in contact with the military, the state, etc. I don't like the idea of him traveling with such limited security and "out of earshot," as it were. Blackberry or no blackberry.

Good point about the communications gear. I wonder if they can replicate that ability in the Gulfstream. Frankly, I don't remember hearing about any other sitting President in my lifetime ever traveling by air in anything other than AF1. I could be wrong.

663 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:06:36am

re: #642 christheprofessor

HOWDY!

664 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:06:38am

re: #640 itellu3times

Magic beat Lakers in their two regular season meetings.

Going to be a matter of Dwight Howard vs Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Powell, and maybe Mbenga gets off the bench.

Kobe will not win or lose this series, except as a passer and defender.

We talking about the same Kobe that scored 81 points in one game..
Kobe will try to take this series over..He will shoot..He will shoot alot...The key may be assists..But This is Kobe we are talking about

665 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:06:58am

re: #644 loppyd

All that bitching about Bush spending too much time in Crawford really killed the Democrats in the midterm and presidential elections, didn't it?

loppyd, always so brief, so poignant.
:)

666 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:07:00am

re: #662 Occasional Reader

Good point about the communications gear. I wonder if they can replicate that ability in the Gulfstream. Frankly, I don't remember hearing about any other sitting President in my lifetime ever traveling by air in anything other than AF1. I could be wrong.

I'm not aware of it at least within my own lifetime.

667 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:07:12am

re: #652 Killgore Trout

Because we paid for Condi's shoe shopping in NYC, Bush's trips to his ranch. We've been paying for elected official's travel probably for a couple hundred years. The selective outrage just because it's Obama is insincere. Where were your complaints about Bush using Airforce one for the past 8 years?

I don't have a problem paying for him to go to his summer home where he plans to actually work for the summer. I won't complain when he ruins my planned vacation in Martha's Vineyard this summer.

Paying for a date in NYC? Not so much.

Please tell me when Bush took his wife to NYC for a date.

668 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:07:15am

re: #659 SixDegrees

Have a look at NAD.

Nobody's interested in looking at your NADs, SixDegrees.

669 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:07:20am

re: #649 HoosierHoops

You have no idea how many times I've wanted to get up go outside and shoot a shotgun in the air and go back to bed...
There are 2 problems..I don't have a shotgun (yet)
And they would just come back in 15 minutes...
Life is not fair

That's why you smother them with the pillow.

670 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:07:27am

Breakfast = herbed potatoes, bell pepper, and shallots. Bacon, and eggs (sunny side up)

Gotta get cookin'

671 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:07:40am

re: #661 haakondahl
It says something about user preference deleted by something or other!

672 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:08:04am

re: #670 Killgore Trout

Breakfast = herbed potatoes, bell pepper, and shallots. Bacon, and eggs (sunny side up)

Gotta get cookin'

Just bring enough for everyone, okay?

673 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:08:28am

re: #654 avanti

Sure, same reason we paid Bush to fly to the ranch, security. The POTUS can't just hop on a commercial plane when he wants time off.

Again, pressing the WH for the expense will likely bring up the cost to fly the much bigger jet for other POTUS's. NYCdategate is going no where.

It was a freaking DATE!

674 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:08:34am

re: #641 pingjockey

WTF is that at the bottom of your post?

The "RegistrationPreservation.Macro" is something I've got running here.

I hacked into the LGF software, stole the code for Charles' AutoPipewrenchAndBootkickTheTroll.Macro, then wrote mine to avoid it.

/I've gotta bridge for sale ... y' wanna buy it?

675 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:08:38am

re: #668 Occasional Reader

Nobody's interested in looking at your NADs, SixDegrees.

They're high performance and cheap, though!

676 Syrah  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:08:41am

re: #564 avanti

The ear phones, especially the noise canceling are a except to my comment. They are state of the art, and were originally designed for pilots. Bose makes tons of markup on them too, but they are a quality item.

I don't mind the "Mark up" on quality products. I know that everybody in the chain has to be able to get some value out of the transaction. For quality of construction, materials, and design, I am willing to pay.

677 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:08:53am

Take Air Force One, FCBBHO! I don't like you but, you're the president.

678 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:09:08am

re: #606 razorbacker

Audio in general.

Remember those speakers we had in college? You know, those big ol' steamer-trunk-sized wood boxes that weighed more than your girlfriend? Yeah, we loved those thumpers.

Compare those old paper-coned behemoths to a modern speaker system. Man, it knocks me out to hear all that clear sound coming out of a speaker that I can cover with a paper-back book.

Yah, I too am in audio changeover mode, my big old (post-)college speakers are shredded, I could rebuild them - but will probably trash them, go for a newfangled 5.1 with a subwoofer neighbors can hear and feel two blocks away, but the whole system won't have nearly the fidelity of the old tech, we live in an iPod world.

679 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:09:19am

re: #657 vxbush

We are well, thanks, and you? Good to see e-you (and the others) as well...

I've been around but I don't post much. No particular reason, other than just not up to discussing politics since November...

680 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:09:20am

re: #642 christheprofessor

Dude, that looks really interesting. Thanks for posting the link...

By the soggy balls of John the Baptist... is that really you?!?!

681 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:09:20am

re: #666 vxbush
BTW...ANY aircraft the pres flies in is designated AF1. But why they didn't take one of the 747s, maybe the photo op fubar?

682 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:09:26am

re: #646 vxbush

If he wanted this to be understood as a private function and not as president, then I can see not taking AF1. But whether you like it or not you are president 24/7. You have to stay in contact with the military, the state, etc. I don't like the idea of him traveling with such limited security and "out of earshot," as it were. Blackberry or no blackberry.

I thought about that myself. I'd hope that he was not giving up security to appear "Green" to the left, and frugal to the right. The expense of flying AF 1 would probably not buy a tire for a Raptor, so I don't see the cost as that big a deal.

683 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:09:58am

re: #656 Killgore Trout

I'll take a gander at his prior titles as well, thanks....

684 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:09:59am

re: #674 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Nah. Just got done building one myself.

685 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:10:36am

And if he put himself in greater danger by taking some small plane so he could feed his need to be a beautiful person than shame on him even more.

686 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:10:46am

re: #679 christheprofessor

We are well, thanks, and you? Good to see e-you (and the others) as well...

I've been around but I don't post much. No particular reason, other than just not up to discussing politics since November...

Christ is in the house! Always good seeing you..How is da doggie?

687 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:10:56am

re: #663 MandyManners

HOWDY!

BACKATCHA! ;)

688 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:11:05am

re: #685 loppyd

And if he put himself in greater danger by taking some small plane so he could feed his need to be a beautiful person than shame on him even more.

then.

grrr.

689 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:11:08am

re: #679 christheprofessor

We are well, thanks, and you? Good to see e-you (and the others) as well...

I've been around but I don't post much. No particular reason, other than just not up to discussing politics since November...

I'm okay. Not great today, but it's no reason to complain. Work is work, son is home from camp, he loved the way I rearranged his room, so he's a happy camper (literally).

Not wanting to go to work tomorrow, but that's nothing unusual after getting by with a four-day work week.

690 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:11:10am

re: #671 pingjockey

It says something about user preference deleted by something or other!

#include humor.h

He's joking.

691 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:11:18am

RE: the Obamas "date night"

I don't have a problem with it at all. I also don't have a problem that "taxpayers" paid for it (hey ,, I have perks at my job, why shouldn't the POTUS?)

What I DO have a problem with is the MSM portraying Michells and Barry as Ward and June Cleaver!

They are NOT the "average" family. They haven't been the "average" family since slightly after each was out of college

692 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:11:44am

re: #680 haakondahl

By the soggy balls of John the Baptist... is that really you?!?!


'Tis I! How the hell are you?

693 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:11:50am

re: #690 haakondahl
Oh hell. More coffee...STAT!

694 Bobblehead  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:11:53am

re: #687 christheprofessor

Where you been? How's the doggie?

695 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:11:54am

re: #678 itellu3times

Listen to a native recorded SACD or a live DVD in DTS or Dolby, or iPod music stored in FLAC. MP3's are fine for your little ear bud microphones.

Speaker technology is still improving, there's so much great stuff out there nowadays.

696 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:12:16am

re: #684 pingjockey

Nah. Just got done building one myself.

heh, it was crazy humor.

697 pingjockey  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:12:31am

BBIAB...Laundry. :(

698 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:12:32am

re: #690 haakondahl

#include humor.h

He's joking.

#include laughtrack.h

699 Timbre  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:12:49am

The Discovery Institute tries vainly to fight back evolution.

700 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:12:56am

re: #685 loppyd

And if he put himself in greater danger by taking some small plane so he could feed his need to be a beautiful person than shame on him even more.

Face it, there is no way he could have had a evening out with the first lady without someone bitching about one thing or another.

701 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:12:59am

CTP

Long time! Hope all is groovy with you.

702 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:13:06am

re: #690 haakondahl

#include humor.h

He's joking.

*grin*
How did you ever guess?!?!?!

703 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:13:32am

re: #679 christheprofessor

DUDE! **mwahh**

Good to see ya.

704 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:13:38am

re: #679 christheprofessor

ctp!

[fist bump]

705 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:13:45am

re: #686 HoosierHoops

Christ is in the house! Always good seeing you..How is da doggie?

Good seeing you as well. We are great -- though, as much as I wanted a chick magnet, my girl has turned into a tick magnet (I just pulled two more off today -- time for a re-application of the Vectra).

All well with you and yours?

706 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:14:05am

re: #700 avanti

Face it, there is no way he could have had a evening out with the first lady without someone bitching about one thing or another.

I wouldn't bitch if he went out in D.C.

How many average Americans take their wives on dates to NYC via airplane?

707 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:14:18am

re: #699 Timbre

The Discovery Institute tries vainly to fight back evolution.

Do they simply refuse to evolve? What gives?

708 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:14:49am

re: #703 rightymouse

Love your avatar!

709 The Other Les  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:15:24am

Thought for the Day

Central to the practice of socialized health care as with the socialization of every other field of endeavor is the legal and moral reduction of the care givers, the doctors and nurses and other staff, to the status of domestic animals. As the actual experience of socialization has shown this will result in the early retirement (and other forms of departure) of many practitioners and the discouragement of those who where thinking of entering the field.

The actual long term result of the socialization of medicine will not be the improvement of our standard of living, it will of course be the opposite, with the addition of the needless deaths of people who would have been saved and returned to health under the present system. One only has to look at the practice of socialized medicine in Europe. Most of the horror stories about "Euro-Care" could be summarized in the phrase: Take two aspirin and drop dead in the morning. (And in full blown Marxist states you won't even get the aspirin.)

Instead of being the saviors that they present themselves as, the socializers will in fact, as usual, be committing murder through an indirect process.

How much longer must we put up with this nonsense?

710 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:15:28am

re: #686 HoosierHoops

Christ is in the house!

So those "End Times" people were right after all.

711 Randall Gross  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:15:29am

Hey CTP, saw you posting while putting spinoffs up top, just dropped down a moment to say hello, hope all is well with you and yours.

712 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:15:31am

re: #698 vxbush

#include laughtrack.h

{ main
If
Leno is not on the tonight show
then
Turn off TV
else
Find old movie
End if
}

713 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:15:40am

re: #706 loppyd

I wouldn't bitch if he went out in D.C.

How many average Americans take their wives on dates to NYC via airplane?

loppyd ... come on ... JayZ and Beyonce do it all the time ... Shelly just want to be like them ... gotta do the G4 thang ...

/The Won should have just been a rap star ... videos and all ... so cool ...

714 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:15:43am

re: #708 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Love your avatar!

Thanks! :)

It's one of my favorites.

715 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:15:46am

re: #706 loppyd

I wouldn't bitch if he went out in D.C.

How many average Americans take their wives on dates to NYC via airplane?

Please see my 691. There is nothing "average" about ANYONE that has carried the title of POTUS

716 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:15:56am

re: #552 avanti

Unconscious stereotype got past my 'couth' filter.

Avanti--ouch. I hear you.

There is a very cool research study currently being run by the psych dept at harvard, called "project implicit". All lizards can go here and take the tests and take part in the studies, and you get to see all your results right away.

[Link: implicit.harvard.edu...]

It measures unconscious biases by making you perform certain tasks. I guarantee that everyone would be shocked to find out how they score--(everyone always is). For example, one test is called the Weapons Test: You're asked to imagine that you are a police officer in a threatening situation, and you see a series of short images of different people holding small objects. They're deliberately blurry and half concealed in everyone's hand.
You have like a split-second window of opportunity to decide for each whether you should choose an option saying "disarm them" or an option saying "no threat". Real racists will automatically identify every black male pictured as holding a weapon even when he isn't (for example). But even nonracists and folks who like to think they have no such biases will show bias.

For example-- when I took it, my results showed that while I didn't ever incorrectly identify a black male as holding a weapon when he wasn't-- I DID still take longer to identify black males as harmless, as compared to when I was shown a white guy without a weapon. (the timing in measured in miliseconds, I think, but my result still was statistically significant).

Long expo, but anyway, people should participate in Project Implicit. It's a cool way to help science and also find out a little about yourself, potentially.

717 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:16:06am

re: #689 vxbush

I'm okay. Not great today, but it's no reason to complain. Work is work, son is home from camp, he loved the way I rearranged his room, so he's a happy camper (literally).

Not wanting to go to work tomorrow, but that's nothing unusual after getting by with a four-day work week.

Glad to hear things are okay.

I'm on my summer break -- don't have another class for two months, so I'm enjoying life. Lots of long walks with the dog, long motorcylce rides and perhaps some traveling on the horizon...

718 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:16:18am

re: #710 Occasional Reader

So those "End Times" people were right after all.

It's quite a revelation.

719 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:16:23am

re: #706 loppyd

I wouldn't bitch if he went out in D.C.

How many average Americans take their wives on dates to NYC via airplane?

He's not a average American, no POTUS is. They can't hop in a car, or a bus, I'm not even happy about him talking the small plane to save a few bucks.

720 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:17:01am

re: #706 loppyd

I wouldn't bitch if he went out in D.C.

How many average Americans take their wives on dates to NYC via airplane?

Well, look... he's not an "average American", he's the President of the United States. And for security reasons, it's not a good idea for him to drive or take the train, etc. I can't get too outraged about this. Of course, he could take this sort of thing too far, but from what I can see, he hasn't yet.

721 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:17:24am

re: #694 Bobblehead

Where you been? How's the doggie?

I've been here but not really posting that much (as mentioned above, no particular reason).

Dog is great -- I am so glad that I took her home that day from the rescue!

I hope all is well with you and yours as well...

722 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:17:32am
723 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:17:36am

re: #720 Occasional Reader

see my #691 if you would, please

724 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:18:36am

re: #701 loppyd

CTP

Long time! Hope all is groovy with you.

Howdy. We're great thanks, and you? Married yet? Got that Lab yet?

725 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:18:40am

re: #705 christheprofessor

Good seeing you as well. We are great -- though, as much as I wanted a chick magnet, my girl has turned into a tick magnet (I just pulled two more off today -- time for a re-application of the Vectra).

All well with you and yours?

My little dog is floating around the pool in his little boat..He is not looking happy at all...Hope he doesn't bite me...
I laugh at you Dog..HaHa..

726 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:19:11am

re: #706 loppyd

I wouldn't bitch if he went out in D.C.

How many average Americans take their wives on dates to NYC via airplane?

I thought that we appreciated the significance of the office, and didn't much appreciate it when Jimmy Carter hoofed it, wearing a sweater (OK not really), to a White House resigned to losing to the Soviets and only being able to tie the score with the weather.

If I were Prime Mi--, er, President, I would certainly take my wife on a fantastic date somewhere--and you all would pay for it. YEE-HA!

727 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:19:28am

re: #712 HoosierHoops

{ main
If
   Leno is not on the tonight show
then
   Turn off TV
elseif
    No available rerun of CSI
then
   turn off TV and find a book
else
   Find old movie
End if
}

Small update.....

728 jaunte  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:19:33am

re: #722 Iron Fist

Here's the guy in question, with his stick:
Image: Black+Panther.jpg

729 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:19:39am

re: #678 itellu3times

Yah, I too am in audio changeover mode, my big old (post-)college speakers are shredded, I could rebuild them - but will probably trash them, go for a newfangled 5.1 with a subwoofer neighbors can hear and feel two blocks away, but the whole system won't have nearly the fidelity of the old tech, we live in an iPod world.

There's no reason you have to give up high fidelity. There are superb systems available today.

730 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:20:09am

re: #695 BigPapa

Listen to a native recorded SACD or a live DVD in DTS or Dolby, or iPod music stored in FLAC. MP3's are fine for your little ear bud microphones.

Speaker technology is still improving, there's so much great stuff out there nowadays.

I suppose, adjusted for inflation, I'd have to spend a couple of grand to equal what I paid for a mid-line system 20+ years ago, but in this day of cheap electronics it just doesn't seem to make sense. I'll just go with the herd, get some tight, brite sounds out of some little overdriven cutesy speakers, fill in the base with a subwoofer that can loosen nails and crack plaster, and leave this gaping hole between about 100 and 300hz, nice home theater system for about $500. Yeah the local emporia have the high-end stuff, starting around about $2500, but if I want accuracy I'll just put on some $150 headphones.

731 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:20:28am

re: #703 rightymouse

DUDE! **mwahh**

Good to see ya.

Hey! I was just thinking of you yesterday, surprisingly enough, as I made some (low carb) spaghetti with Italian sausage and banana peppers (actually, a mix of banana and cubanelle peppers)... Hope all is well with you...

732 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:20:35am

re: #722 Iron Fist

I've read and re-read your comment. You aren't denying that the Black Panthers were there. You aren't denying they were armed (billy clubs are what I've heard). They were damn sure not there simply to liven up the scenery. They were there for intimidation.

A couple of loud, obnoxious guys with billy clubs don't particularly intimidate me, but I've usually got a knife and I am well-trained in using it. If they try and do anything physical against me (or someone I'm with), their life is going to get very interesting for the next few seconds. That's me. It is just the way I'm wired.

Most of the people in this country aren't wired that way. A lot of people carry knives (at least around here), but few of them are very trained in their use. That doesn't mean that they don't pose a danger, should they wish to do so, but rather a comentary on what sor of danger that they would constitute should they do so. The guy with the club has the advantage because his weapon has the longer "arc of the weapon". "Arc of the weapon" simply means the arc that you would cover with the weapon fully extended moving left to right (or vice versa).

Which is to say that the Panthers were there for intimidation, and it sounds like they accomplished their goal. And that is, IIRC, illegal. The police should have removed them. Forcefully, if necessary.

No argument that one guy had a billy club, nor that they were in their fancy uniforms that might be intimidating, and no question it was wrong. To suggest the one incident, at one polling place out of 1000's had any effect on the election is what I disagreed with.

733 jaunte  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:20:44am

re: #728 jaunte

Better photo:
Image: File:Philadelphia_polling_place_security_patrols_2008.png

734 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:20:58am

re: #724 christheprofessor

Howdy. We're great thanks, and you? Married yet? Got that Lab yet?

The Big Day is in September.

No Lab. That is what I want for my wedding present. :)

735 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:21:25am

re: #704 Occasional Reader

ctp!

[fist bump]

OR!

[fist bump] backatcha!

736 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:21:27am

re: #731 christheprofessor

Hey! I was just thinking of you yesterday, surprisingly enough, as I made some (low carb) spaghetti with Italian sausage and banana peppers (actually, a mix of banana and cubanelle peppers)... Hope all is well with you...

Banana peppers in spaghetti sauce? On pizza, sure, but I can't see them in sauce.....

737 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:21:38am
738 TheQuis  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:22:07am

Did any one consider the possibility that the President Paid for the trip (Well, a portion of it) Himself. The guy did write a couple of best selling books.

739 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:22:17am

re: #720 Occasional Reader

Well, look... he's not an "average American", he's the President of the United States. And for security reasons, it's not a good idea for him to drive or take the train, etc. I can't get too outraged about this. Of course, he could take this sort of thing too far, but from what I can see, he hasn't yet.

He may want to think about appearances when so many Americans are struggling.

740 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:22:25am

re: #711 Thanos

Hey CTP, saw you posting while putting spinoffs up top, just dropped down a moment to say hello, hope all is well with you and yours.

Hey, thanks for dropping down and saying hello. We are well as well, hope all is well in your world as well...

741 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:23:04am

re: #738 TheQuis

Did any one consider the possibility that the President Paid for the trip (Well, a portion of it) Himself. The guy did write a couple of best selling books.

I would buy that if I thought he had done well enough before being president that he wasn't free with his money. But there were some pretty clear reports about a month ago about how far into debt he went and how much money he spent despite his books.

742 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:23:09am

re: #712 HoosierHoops

{ main
If
Leno is not on the tonight show
then
Turn off TV
else
Find old movie
End if
}

All I am saying, is give Conan a chance.

(and the Jimmy Kimmel monologs are usually worth catching!)

forget Letterman, oh, back in the day sure, but not anymore

743 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:23:12am

re: #737 Iron Fist

Snake Pliskin Christheprofessor, I thought you were dead!


Ha! We are well, thanks. How are you et al.?

744 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:23:23am

re: #738 TheQuis

Did any one consider the possibility that the President Paid for the trip (Well, a portion of it) Himself. The guy did write a couple of best selling books.

The White House refused to say how much the trip was costing taxpayers.

745 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:24:08am

re: #725 HoosierHoops

My little dog is floating around the pool in his little boat..He is not looking happy at all...Hope he doesn't bite me...
I laugh at you Dog..HaHa..

Heh...

746 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:24:08am

re: #728 jaunte

Here's the guy in question, with his stick:
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]

He was just there to prevent racist Tea Partier assaults on black voters.

///

747 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:24:09am

re: #725 HoosierHoops

Hoosier ,,, BTW ,, two VERY great moments at the Georgia Secial Olympics yesterday. I was assigned to help at the Aquatics ctr. Swimming races once across the pool and back. One kid finishes, gets out of the pool, spies his parents and family in the stands and yells out
"MOM ,,, I DIDN'T PEE IN THE POOL!"

The other. Most of the kids made it back and forth in 1:40-1;50 minutes (the lanes were set by the width of the pool, not the length)
It toom one straggler over 8 minutes. The reason was he would take 4 swimming strokes, stop, tread water and wave at EVERY person he could spy in the stands (4 sided) . When he got out I spoke to his older sister. Seems as if last year he could onlt perform 2 stokes before he had to stop and re-orient himself. he was SO proud he could now do 4 strokes!

I had a smile ear to ear as tears streamed down my face !

748 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:24:10am

re: #722 Iron Fist

Eric holder should have permitted the case to continue, convictions were in the bag.

749 MacDuff  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:24:28am

An interesting article, for your perusal: Coming Soon: An English Revolution

750 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:24:54am

re: #731 christheprofessor

Hey! I was just thinking of you yesterday, surprisingly enough, as I made some (low carb) spaghetti with Italian sausage and banana peppers (actually, a mix of banana and cubanelle peppers)... Hope all is well with you...

**drool**

And I was thinking about you yesterday too - missing folks like you and Geepers. Good to see Lops here as well.

We had stir-fry shrimp with baby bok choy in a ginger/wasabi sauce. :)

751 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:25:12am

re: #723 sattv4u2

see my #691 if you would, please

I don't know what you mean by "Ward and June Cleaver" and "average family".

752 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:25:54am

re: #706 loppyd

I wouldn't bitch if he went out in D.C.

How many average Americans take their wives on dates to NYC via airplane?

How many average Americans are President of the United States?

Drop it. This is childish, petty bullshit that's worthy of the crap shoveled over at the DK and DU. It makes Conservatives look like assholes, and blunts any actual criticism they might make down the road by diluting it with pointless noise.

753 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:26:44am

re: #751 Occasional Reader

I don't know what you mean by "Ward and June Cleaver" and "average family".

google "Leave It To Beaver'

754 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:27:15am

re: #730 itellu3times

You just described a Bose Lifestyle system at $25-3500 a pop! Yow!

Nowadays, the $600 AV receiver gives you a ton of features and power for the money. Spend a little more for a decent HTIB system to match, then play with your room because it affects sound dramatically. If you have a good room, this will sound great.

755 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:27:18am

re: #749 MacDuff

An interesting article, for your perusal: Coming Soon: An English Revolution

Well now that hardly sounds necessary. We can talk this out, can't we?

756 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:28:03am

re: #736 vxbush

Banana peppers in spaghetti sauce? On pizza, sure, but I can't see them in sauce.....

Not a tomato sauce -- rather, about 10 cloves of garlic lightly cooked in olive oil and the "juice" from cooking the hot Italian sausage (20 oz) (cut up into bite size pieces while the garlic cooks). Then, while the pasta cooks, put three or four each of julienned banana and cubanelle peppers in with the sausage, garlic and oil. About three minutes before the pasta is done, drain and put back in the pot over the heat, putting in the peppers, sausage, garlic and oil. Heat all (adding salt and pepper to taste). Serve with freshly grated romano cheese...

You will love it!

757 Digital Display  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:28:58am

re: #747 sattv4u2

Hoosier ,,, BTW ,, two VERY great moments at the Georgia Secial Olympics yesterday. I was assigned to help at the Aquatics ctr. Swimming races once across the pool and back. One kid finishes, gets out of the pool, spies his parents and family in the stands and yells out
"MOM ,,, I DIDN'T PEE IN THE POOL!"

The other. Most of the kids made it back and forth in 1:40-1;50 minutes (the lanes were set by the width of the pool, not the length)
It toom one straggler over 8 minutes. The reason was he would take 4 swimming strokes, stop, tread water and wave at EVERY person he could spy in the stands (4 sided) . When he got out I spoke to his older sister. Seems as if last year he could onlt perform 2 stokes before he had to stop and re-orient himself. he was SO proud he could now do 4 strokes!

I had a smile ear to ear as tears streamed down my face !

I love those kids! Yes..I have tears in my eyes also..

758 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:29:13am

re: #753 sattv4u2

google "Leave It To Beaver'

Um, yes, I know who the characters are. I'm just not sure what exactly is your criticism here.

759 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:29:16am

re: #734 loppyd

The Big Day is in September.

No Lab. That is what I want for my wedding present. :)

Well best of luck, with the dog (and the Lab - ha!)... ;)

760 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:30:30am

re: #752 SixDegrees

How many average Americans are President of the United States?

Drop it. This is childish, petty bullshit that's worthy of the crap shoveled over at the DK and DU. It makes Conservatives look like assholes, and blunts any actual criticism they might make down the road by diluting it with pointless noise.

I see. Lets give the most merciful Obama a pass for everything so we don't look bad.

And lets not ever - EVER - poke a little fun at him.

Whatever. Remind me never to hire you as a political consultant.

761 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:30:40am
762 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:30:51am

re: #749 MacDuff

An interesting article, for your perusal: Coming Soon: An English Revolution

Angry Englishmen will pour into the streets, brandishing their fearsome... erm... cricket bats?

763 debutaunt  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:31:05am

re: #722 Iron Fist

I've read and re-read your comment. You aren't denying that the Black Panthers were there. You aren't denying they were armed (billy clubs are what I've heard). They were damn sure not there simply to liven up the scenery. They were there for intimidation.

A couple of loud, obnoxious guys with billy clubs don't particularly intimidate me, but I've usually got a knife and I am well-trained in using it. If they try and do anything physical against me (or someone I'm with), their life is going to get very interesting for the next few seconds. That's me. It is just the way I'm wired.

Most of the people in this country aren't wired that way. A lot of people carry knives (at least around here), but few of them are very trained in their use. That doesn't mean that they don't pose a danger, should they wish to do so, but rather a comentary on what sor of danger that they would constitute should they do so. The guy with the club has the advantage because his weapon has the longer "arc of the weapon". "Arc of the weapon" simply means the arc that you would cover with the weapon fully extended moving left to right (or vice versa).

Which is to say that the Panthers were there for intimidation, and it sounds like they accomplished their goal. And that is, IIRC, illegal. The police should have removed them. Forcefully, if necessary.

The Black Panthers were intimidating the poll watchers.

764 jaunte  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:31:30am

re: #749 MacDuff

An interesting article, for your perusal: Coming Soon: An English Revolution

Interesting; especially the serial reporting of the corruption. This seems like a typo, though:

The amounts involved in these scandals are not high. One calculation puts the sums illegally siphoned off by MPs over the past four years at around $30 million. This is something that "fixers" could pocket in an afternoon in some so-called "developing countries." The mistress of one African despot made $300 in five years before being replaced by a new favorite.


That would be a pretty cheap date.

765 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:31:55am

re: #750 rightymouse

**drool**

And I was thinking about you yesterday too - missing folks like you and Geepers. Good to see Lops here as well.

We had stir-fry shrimp with baby bok choy in a ginger/wasabi sauce. :)

I think Geepers still posts occasionally, if I'm not mistaken...

Man, that shrimp sounds good...

766 TheQuis  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:32:28am

re: #741 vxbush

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

767 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:32:40am

re: #739 loppyd

He may want to think about appearances when so many Americans are struggling.

I tell you about appearances. I'd bet the average American, especially women, will think it's "cute" for him to keep a promise he made to her during the campaign. Even if you disagree, those on left must be giddy that you pay as much attention to this petty crap as you do for him writing checks for trillions we don't have.

768 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:32:54am

re: #758 Occasional Reader

Um, yes, I know who the characters are. I'm just not sure what exactly is your criticism here.

The MSM's portrayal of the Obamas as an average family

date nights
kids soccer


Please see my other comments on this. I stated I have NO problem with the POTUS going to NYC for an evening out even on the taxpayers nickle. The criticism is lame, IMHO.

That stated, the Obamas have NEVER been an 'average" family

769 jaunte  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:33:08am

re: #761 Iron Fist

Yes, seeing an obvious example of selective enforcement recorded like that is annoying.

770 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:33:32am

Missing Persons - Destination Unknown

Youtube Video
771 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:33:42am

re: #763 debutaunt

The Black Panthers were intimidating the poll watchers.

No, these guys weren't menacing at all.

/

772 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:34:21am

re: #528 Irish Rose

Typical.

Malkin is also still flogging her "dealergate" hallucination, now backed up by the most convoluted and ridiculous "statistical analysis" I have ever seen in my life. It's exactly identical to the arguments made by race hustlers attempting to "prove" that the US Census is biased, that blacks aren't portrayed "correctly" on television and that quotas haven't worked at all - and exercise in cherry-picking and outright lying that is shameful.

I'm beginning to think that the real money behind Hot Air is coming from George Soros. He certainly couldn't do a better job of making Conservatives look like knuckle-dragging morons than Malkin and the rest of that enterprise are managing.

773 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:34:45am
774 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:35:02am

re: #764 jaunte

That would be a pretty cheap date.


SO, let's see... At one hundred dollars per go, they were--married.

775 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:35:14am

Completely shifting gears; I was browsing through new iPhone apps this morning, and was amused (but a little depressed) to see in the "travel" category the apparent popularity of "tip calculators". Complete with rave reviews of how "easy" they are. Uh... kids? Your iPhone already comes with a calculator built in. A "tip" calculator doesn't do anything different.

I especially loved one that advertised how it featured "support for dollars, euros, pounds sterling. [etc.]". Because, you see, 20% of a hundred dollars is different number than 20% of a hundred euros.

Good grief.

776 The Other Les  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #752 SixDegrees

How many average Americans are President of the United States?

Drop it. This is childish, petty bullshit that's worthy of the crap shoveled over at the DK and DU. It makes Conservatives look like assholes, and blunts any actual criticism they might make down the road by diluting it with pointless noise.

I don't have a problem with any private citizen flying someone (Wife, girlfriend, etc.) to NYC on a date, as long as they are paying for it on their own account. But when any elected official, including the President of the United States, does it with the taxpayer's money, then I would have to object.

Do I have to explain further?

777 lostlakehiker  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:35:26am

re: #732 avanti

No argument that one guy had a billy club, nor that they were in their fancy uniforms that might be intimidating, and no question it was wrong. To suggest the one incident, at one polling place out of 1000's had any effect on the election is what I disagreed with.

I don't think it actually intimidated anybody, or at any rate, more than one or two. They didn't strike menacing poses. People walked past them unconcerned, and in perfect safety. Some reporters showed up with cameras and interviewed them, and got stock and unhelpful answers but there's nothing new in that and no physical menace.

Granted you cannot allow people to openly hold any sort of weapon at the entrance to a polling site, I just can't see making this a federal felony and shipping the guy off to jail. They told him not to bring his club next time, and that's about right.

778 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:35:33am

re: #763 debutaunt

The Black Panthers were intimidating the poll watchers.

One was a poll watcher. but I agree.

779 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:36:00am

re: #706 loppyd

I wouldn't bitch if he went out in D.C.

How many average Americans take their wives on dates to NYC via airplane?

None.

But I can't help but wonder, if he's busy taking Michelle on "dates" all over the country, perhaps that will significantly eat into the time he has to do actual damage.

780 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:36:34am

re: #768 sattv4u2

Well, look... are you saying that the Obamas previously neglected their kids, and didn't spend any time together? Or what? I don't see the media trying to portray them as "average"; far from it. My criticism is the portrayal of them as godlike, not "average".

781 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:36:38am

re: #767 avanti

I tell you about appearances. I'd bet the average American, especially women, will think it's "cute" for him to keep a promise he made to her during the campaign. Even if you disagree, those on left must be giddy that you pay as much attention to this petty crap as you do for him writing checks for trillions we don't have.

That is exactly how the MSM will spin it. I wonder how adorable it will feel to average women sitting down at their kitchen tables with a cup of coffee and stack of bills they don't know how they will pay this morning.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the absurd. It's all part of the package that makes up our Narcissist in Chief.

782 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:37:03am

re: #773 Iron Fist

Good to hear you are well. We're doing great. I had a little health issue back in April, but everything is all right now. We haven't set a date or anythigng, but we are sort of engaged now. That is quite a leap for me. After the way my first marriage fell apart, I didn't think I'd ever even consider it again.

Mazel tov!

783 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:37:08am

re: #778 avanti

One was a poll watcher. but I agree.

WTF difference does that make? Why even MENTION it, as if it has some significance or makes it defensable!

784 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:37:30am

re: #773 Iron Fist

Well, glad the health issue is behind you and I'm really glad to hear the good news as well! Please say hello for me...

785 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:37:36am

re: #765 christheprofessor

I think Geepers still posts occasionally, if I'm not mistaken...

Man, that shrimp sounds good...

He does post I'm sure, but am not here all the time, so may have missed him.

The shrimp was fabulous. Hit the spot. Not too spicy, but saucy enough to tickle the taste buds. :)

Your dish sounds marvy. Must try that. Sort of like jazzed up aglio olio?

786 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:37:56am

re: #778 avanti

One was a poll watcher. but I agree.

I was a poll watcher. Somehow I managed to leave my nightstick at home.

787 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:38:02am

re: #776 The Other Les

I don't have a problem with any private citizen flying someone (Wife, girlfriend, etc.) to NYC on a date, as long as they are paying for it on their own account. But when any elected official, including the President of the United States, does it with the taxpayer's money, then I would have to object.

Do I have to explain further?

So if you are elected POTUS and you want to fly home, you should pay the cost for a 747, and all the security ? Crap, Bush owes us millions for trips to the ranch then.

788 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:38:18am

re: #781 loppyd

Loppy, if conservatives make a big deal out of this, you can COUNT ON the left gleefully pointing out similar behavior by Bush 43, Bush 41, Reagan, etc.

There are certain perks to the office, that's the way it is.

789 Last Mohican  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:38:51am

Hey all you sober skeptics and conspiracy mavens,

Can I draw your attention to my new spinoff link?

A quantitatively minded person out in the blogosphere, Marla Singer, has assembled a big database of Chrysler dealerships and their owners' political donations, in an attempt to address the question of political bias in a scientific manner. She's the only person I know of who's doing this.

So far, in my opinion, her published results show no evidence of any bias. But her work is ongoing, and I think it's worth following.

790 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:39:06am

re: #775 Occasional Reader

Completely shifting gears; I was browsing through new iPhone apps this morning, and was amused (but a little depressed) to see in the "travel" category the apparent popularity of "tip calculators". Complete with rave reviews of how "easy" they are. Uh... kids? Your iPhone already comes with a calculator built in. A "tip" calculator doesn't do anything different.

I especially loved one that advertised how it featured "support for dollars, euros, pounds sterling. [etc.]". Because, you see, 20% of a hundred dollars is different number than 20% of a hundred euros.

Good grief.

Now there you go, applying logic and common sense . . .
You're no fun at all.

One of my fave idiot stories:
Local discount store had something I needed advertised at "2 for $10".

So I go in and get two, and when I get to the check-out counter, I say to the check-out person, the paper had an ad saying these were 2 for $10.

She looks at me like I'm crazy. NO! she says. These aren't 2 for $10. These are priced at $5 each!

LOL.

791 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:39:07am

re: #788 Occasional Reader

Loppy, if conservatives make a big deal out of this, you can COUNT ON the left gleefully pointing out similar behavior by Bush 43, Bush 41, Reagan, etc.

There are certain perks to the office, that's the way it is.

Pretty soon we'll all have to be nice little boys and girls and just let the Obamas be fabulous.

792 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:39:50am

re: #777 lostlakehiker

I don't think it actually intimidated anybody, or at any rate, more than one or two. They didn't strike menacing poses. People walked past them unconcerned, and in perfect safety. Some reporters showed up with cameras and interviewed them, and got stock and unhelpful answers but there's nothing new in that and no physical menace.

Granted you cannot allow people to openly hold any sort of weapon at the entrance to a polling site, I just can't see making this a federal felony and shipping the guy off to jail. They told him not to bring his club next time, and that's about right.

LLH ... you are kidding right? ...

I don't think it actually intimidated anybody, or at any rate, more than one or two. They didn't strike menacing poses. People walked past them unconcerned, and in perfect safety.

My head is swirling after reading your comments .... the guy was there to intimidate ... period. I guess if your mother walked up and he said the things to her and had the nightstick you would think it was okay? ... they should have gone to jail ... period.

793 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:39:59am

re: #766 TheQuis

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

No, there's another one that goes back to before he was president and looked at his finances.....

794 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:40:00am

re: #789 Last Mohican

Hey all you sober skeptics and conspiracy mavens,

Can I draw your attention to my new spinoff link?

A quantitatively minded person out in the blogosphere, Marla Singer, has assembled a big database of Chrysler dealerships and their owners' political donations, in an attempt to address the question of political bias in a scientific manner. She's the only person I know of who's doing this.

So far, in my opinion, her published results show no evidence of any bias. But her work is ongoing, and I think it's worth following.

Good for her, that's how to do it.

795 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:40:09am

re: #777 lostlakehiker

They didn't strike menacing poses.

Um... someone other than a Law Enforcement Officer who is standing by a polling place with a billy club in his hand is, by definition, "menacing".

796 pink freud  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #716 iceweasel

The flip side of your "very cool" research study is that there is a part of the brain known as the "lizard brain" is located at the top of the spine, the base of the skull. It's also known as the old brain. It serves a very useful function.

That part of the brain is where our fight or flight impulses originate from, as well as our impulses for food and sex. Survival of the species, in essence. This is the part of the brain where our instantaneous judgments are made when making snap decisions on danger.

What some may consider a racial bias others see as a method for survival. It's an inherent part of being human, like it or not. What Harvard is looking at is a person's ability to consciously suspend that lizard-brain judgment and allow some sort of higher order of reasoning to override it. These experiments have been done for years with pretty much the same outcomes: we instinctively notice differences amongst ourselves and make snap judgments as to whether those differences pose a threat or not.

Remember back in the primaries, something about 0bama's mother being fearful of blacks? That wasn't necessarily "racism", that was her lizard brain discerning the potential for danger to herself, right or wrong. It's called life.

797 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:40:50am

Have any of you seen this video where a Bugatti races the euro fighter jet?

Youtube Video

I usually remain unimpressed by such silliness, but damn. This is wild!

798 The Other Les  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:41:00am

re: #787 avanti

So if you are elected POTUS and you want to fly home, you should pay the cost for a 747, and all the security ? Crap, Bush owes us millions for trips to the ranch then.

Actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea. But dinner and a show in NYC isn't quite the same thing as going home for the holidays.

799 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:41:01am
800 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:41:20am

re: #785 rightymouse

Your dish sounds marvy. Must try that. Sort of like jazzed up aglio olio?

Sort of, but if using hot banana peppers and hot Italian sausage, it can get right (heh) spicy hot! If you recall, I posted that recipe (in a more normal recipe format) to you probably three years ago or so now - that's why you popped up in my head (along with the naked midgets) as I was making it yesterday....

801 debutaunt  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:42:02am

re: #778 avanti

One was a poll watcher. but I agree.

Do you agree the poll watchers were intimidated into letting questionable voters vote?

802 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:42:13am

re: #798 The Other Les

Actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea. But dinner and a show in NYC isn't quite the same thing as going home for the holidays.

True, it's less time away from the nations business.

803 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:42:33am

re: #780 Occasional Reader

Well, look... are you saying that the Obamas previously neglected their kids, and didn't spend any time together? Or what? I don't see the media trying to portray them as "average"; far from it. My criticism is the portrayal of them as godlike, not "average".

They fawn over him, true, but they make EVERY attempt to portray them as Mary and Joe Average

Obama takes his kids to soccer
Obamas go out on date night
Obamas to get dog
Obamas kids get a Wii for Christmas

804 TheQuis  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:42:48am

re: #744 loppyd

The reporters were told they wouldn't have a cost estimate tonight, not that they wouldn't provide one.

805 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:42:57am

re: #791 loppyd

Pretty soon we'll all have to be nice little boys and girls and just let the Obamas be fabulous.

Ohferpetessake. You know perfectly well that's not what I'm saying.

But if you criticize Obama for, essentially, having the same perks of office that Bush did, that's a dead-end street.

806 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:42:58am

re: #792 JacksonTn

LLH ... you are kidding right? ...

I don't think it actually intimidated anybody, or at any rate, more than one or two. They didn't strike menacing poses. People walked past them unconcerned, and in perfect safety.

My head is swirling after reading your comments .... the guy was there to intimidate ... period. I guess if your mother walked up and he said the things to her and had the nightstick you would think it was okay? ... they should have
gone to jail ... period.

I'm sure there will be numerous investigations into the politics that played into the DOJ's actions.

/

807 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:44:02am

re: #776 The Other Les

I don't have a problem with any private citizen flying someone (Wife, girlfriend, etc.) to NYC on a date, as long as they are paying for it on their own account. But when any elected official, including the President of the United States, does it with the taxpayer's money, then I would have to object.

Do I have to explain further?

Why? Travel expenses are part and parcel of the President's compensation. Same for all Congressmen. And if you're trying to claim this was somehow not covered, around-the-clock security is specifically mandated for the President and his family, no matter what they are doing or where they are.

Again: this is a bullshit argument that makes Conservatives look like petty idiots. It reinforces the whole "Party of 'No'" meme that the Democrats are pushing.

I suppose next we'll be hearing about how Obama wipes his ass with his left hand, and this "proves" he's a Muslim sympathizer. Or, that he wipes his ass with his right hand, making him a hypocrite because we knew he was a Muslim sympathizer and this proves that he isn't. All offered without so much as a single shred of evidence, just the sound and spittle of pure hatred being vomited forth for the sheer sake of puking it up.

God forbid that anyone actually address issues. Although given this sort of childish criticism, I suspect that actual political discourse is completely beyond the abilities of many wallowing in the fringe cesspools these days.

808 MandyManners  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:44:23am

re: #800 christheprofessor

Did you mince the cloves?

809 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:44:56am

re: #781 loppyd

That is exactly how the MSM will spin it. I wonder how adorable it will feel to average women sitting down at their kitchen tables with a cup of coffee and stack of bills they don't know how they will pay this morning.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the absurd. It's all part of the package that makes up our Narcissist in Chief.

It's the appearance of elitist hypocrisy that grinds on me.

We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That's not leadership. That's not going to happen.

810 Bobblehead  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:45:00am

re: #749 MacDuff

An interesting article, for your perusal: Coming Soon: An English Revolution

I read that this morning.

811 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:45:13am

Well, it was great seeing everybody and chatting, however briefly...

However, time for a half hour on the ellipictical trainer, then the bowflex, then the motorcycle...

I'll try to drop in more frequently, perhaps even later after the ride...

You all have a great one!

812 Last Mohican  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:45:19am

re: #795 Occasional Reader

Um... someone other than a Law Enforcement Officer who is standing by a polling place with a billy club in his hand is, by definition, "menacing".

Can I weigh in on this? A man standing outside of a polling place, wearing the paramilitary uniform of an organized violent racist hate group, is menacing and intimidating even if he's not carrying a weapon of any kind. I hate to mention the KKK again, because the KKK is not the same as the Black Panthers. But if a man were standing outside of a polling place wearing a KKK hood, carrying no weapon at all, that wouldn't be okay either.

It's true that this event didn't change the outcome of the election. But it's still completely unacceptable.

813 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:46:08am

Every Day Is Exactly The Same

Youtube Video
814 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:46:21am

re: #805 Occasional Reader

Ohferpetessake. You know perfectly well that's not what I'm saying.

But if you criticize Obama for, essentially, having the same perks of office that Bush did, that's a dead-end street.

I know they both had perks.

I don't remember George taking Laura to NYC for a dinner and a Broadway show during an economic meltdown, though.

Being pigeonholed into not raising objections for fear of being challenged by the left is not a winning strategy. Just ask the left. They seem to have it mastered.

815 SixDegrees  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:46:46am

re: #781 loppyd

That is exactly how the MSM will spin it. I wonder how adorable it will feel to average women sitting down at their kitchen tables with a cup of coffee and stack of bills they don't know how they will pay this morning.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the absurd. It's all part of the package that makes up our Narcissist in Chief.

Actually, there is everything wrong with being petty, mean-spirited and filled with hate to the point where every single syllable, every single step, every single motion made or uttered by the object of your hatred is dissected and spun into elaborate, groundless bullshit non-criticisms. You come across as a churl, and your churlishness stains all those around you.

816 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:47:00am

re: #813 BigPapa

Every Day Is Exactly The Same

[Video]

BP ... Groundhog Day! ... I love that movie ! ...

817 The Other Les  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:47:00am

re: #802 avanti

True, it's less time away from the nations business.

But then since The Big Zero is an obviously incompetent adherent of an obviously false ideology then perhaps having him do something other than the Nation's business wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

[This may qualify as an Emily Littella moment.]

818 TheQuis  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:47:24am

re: #793 vxbush

Got a link, Googling Obama's finances and Obama's Personal finances all reveal a ton of stories about them being sound. I even read one a while back that said while he did have some losses during the collapse, he was still sound on his assets and cash base.

819 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:47:26am

re: #808 MandyManners

Did you mince the cloves?

No, just chop them, doesn't have to be too fine. You can even just slice them about a mm thick and it'll work just fine... Just don't burn the garlic! I barely sweat them before I put the sausage back in (I pull them out to slice when they are about 1/2 cooked while I start the garlic).

820 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:47:46am

re: #812 Last Mohican

I hate to mention the KKK again, because the KKK is not the same as the Black Panthers.

An aside: If you poke around for info on the "New Black Panther Party", you'll see they are every bit as racist and hateful as the KKK. But we agree on the larger point. It's astonishing that anyone could describe this as being somehow not "menacing". That was their specific intent.

821 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:47:46am

re: #800 christheprofessor

Sort of, but if using hot banana peppers and hot Italian sausage, it can get right (heh) spicy hot! If you recall, I posted that recipe (in a more normal recipe format) to you probably three years ago or so now - that's why you popped up in my head (along with the naked midgets) as I was making it yesterday....

I do remember you posting that and our brainwaves must have said 'hi' as you were cooking yesterday.

"naked midgets" - lol!

822 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:48:04am

re: #812 Last Mohican

I hate to mention the KKK again, because the KKK is not the same as the Black Panthers.

How are they different?

I have to run and put laundry in dryers. I'll be back in ten to read.

823 MacDuff  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:48:15am

re: #755 haakondahl

Well now that hardly sounds necessary. We can talk this out, can't we?


Well, revolutions can take on many forms and not all need be, or should be, violent. There seems to be a growing chasm, in the UK as well as here, between the people and our leaders. When that happens, self governed people revolt in order to close that chasm. We, as well as the UK, have non-violent means at our disposal in order to accomplish this and those means are enhanced by the information society in which we live.

It involves picking the ideological battles that we can win, and arguing our points in clear and unequivocal terms with the fortification of facts and truth. Flailing about, grasping at shadows and perceived conspiracies will not do it. It has to be a war of logic and intellect; not of emotion.

824 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:48:26am

re: #816 JacksonTn

Actually, that would be Post Modern Rock Groundhog Day. Just sayin.

825 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:48:36am

re: #815 SixDegrees

Actually, there is everything wrong with being petty, mean-spirited and filled with hate to the point where every single syllable, every single step, every single motion made or uttered by the object of your hatred is dissected and spun into elaborate, groundless bullshit non-criticisms. You come across as a churl, and your churlishness stains all those around you.

How is mean spirited? Hatred?

Get over yourself, drama queen.

You come across as a bitter asshole, but whose keeping track.

826 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:49:24am

re: #809 rightymouse

Sssssh.

827 Last Mohican  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:50:55am

re: #807 SixDegrees

I feel the need to weigh in on this myself, before I go off to start my day.

Every president in recent history has had no problem with firing up his 747 and flying across the country and back, just so he can make an appearance at five fundraising dinners that line his own political coffers, and those of his allies.

If Obama wants to whisk his wife off for an evening trip to New York in a much-smaller Gulfstream III, that's fine with me.

828 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:50:59am

re: #716 iceweasel

Interesting.
I took one of those tests once, and me being a suthren redneck conservative Catholic heathen and all, certain people's biases may have led them to ASSUME I would have come out of that test with a showing of all sorts of personal biases.

But I didn't.
so these are interesting tests, indeed.

829 vxbush  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:52:15am

re: #818 TheQuis

Got a link, Googling Obama's finances and Obama's Personal finances all reveal a ton of stories about them being sound. I even read one a while back that said while he did have some losses during the collapse, he was still sound on his assets and cash base.

I think this is it. Quoting:

Let's examine how tough things were for this couple using various public records.
In April 1999, they purchased a Chicago condo and obtained a mortgage for $159,250. In May 1999, they took out a line of credit for $20,750. Then, in 2002, they refinanced the condo with a $210,000 mortgage, which means they took out about $50,000 in equity. Finally, in 2004, they took out another line of credit for $100,000 on top of the mortgage.
Tax returns for 2004 reveal $14,395 in mortgage deductions. If we assume an effective interest rate of 6%, then they owed about $240,000 on a home they purchased for about $159,250.
This means they spent perhaps $80,000 beyond their income from 1999 to 2004.
The Obamas' adjusted gross income averaged $257,000 from 2000 to 2004. This is above the threshold of $250,000 which Obama initially used as the definition of being "rich" for taxation purposes during last year's election campaign.
The Obama family apparently had little or no savings during this period since there was virtually no taxable interest shown on their tax returns.
In 2003, they reported almost $24,000 in child care expenses and, in 2004, about $23,000. They also paid about $3,400 in household employment taxes each year. And as Michelle stated, they spent $10,000 a year on "extracurriculars" for the children.
These numbers clearly show the Obamas were living beyond their means and they might have suffered financially during the decline in housing prices had they relied on taking ever larger amounts of equity from their home to pay the bills.

Read more: "President Obama's troubling mantra: In debt, we trust" - [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Note these are figures from before his book royalties. Meaning he didn't know how to live within his means.

830 Last Mohican  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:52:39am

re: #822 justdanny

How are they different?

Without doing a long extensive analysis of matters on which I am not expert, I'd say just in the extent of the violent acts that they have perpetrated over the years. I don't mean to imply that the Panthers' philosophy has any more moral merit than that of the KKK.

831 The Other Les  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:52:52am

So anyway... I went out on a short drive in the country this morning. Saw all sorts of cows in the pastures with their newborn calves. And of course the aroma of freshly dropped Marxist doctrine was in the air. Drove through a college town too.

832 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:53:02am

STOP TALKING ABOUT OUR DATE NIGHT! ... how do you expect me to keep these marvelous toned arms ... if I have to put down these dumbbells one more time to come over here and scold you ... I am sending Rahm over ... and you know how he is when he has to take off time from his ballet class ... me and the O need our special time together ... and Oprah has her own jet ... I am first Lady now ... not Oprah!

/

833 christheprofessor  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:53:24am

re: #808 MandyManners

re: #821 rightymouse

If you make it (or anybody else, for that matter), please report back on how you liked it next time you see me. It's pretty much my favorite way to eat spaghetti now (and it is painfully easy and quick to make), and I make spaghetti at least five ways (e.g., spaghetti and broccoli) (not counting thinks like baked ziti and other forms of pasta)...

Okay, I'm really out now!

834 pink freud  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:54:31am

re: #829 vxbush

Note these are figures from before his book royalties. Meaning he didn't know how to live within his means.

Good post and link, vxbush. He sure doesn't have any problem telling others how to live within theirs, though ...does he?

835 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:54:52am

re: #796 pink freud

i don't necessarily disagree with you in re: your comments about the lizard brain, etc., but I do take issue with your claim that this is what the Harvard study measures.

I recommend that folks go check out the study and read the details and the research protocol all available at the harvard site.

836 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:55:06am

Hey Charles! Here, have some coffee!
That is...if you do drink coffee, I don't know.
The rest of Lizard Nation: Good Morning!

837 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:55:06am

re: #518 albusteve

and so it begins...another demand for an apology...I hate this petty bullshit

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"What she said is that based on her life experiences is that she thought a Latina woman, somebody with her background, would be a better judge than a guy like me -- a white guy from South Carolina," Graham said. "It is troubling, and it's inappropriate and I hope she'll apologize."

Compelling White Guy Stories
Is it really petty?

838 loppyd  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:55:19am

re: #832 JacksonTn

I wonder if Barry had the arugula salad.

The day awaits.

Later.

839 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:55:26am

re: #830 Last Mohican

Without doing a long extensive analysis of matters on which I am not expert, I'd say just in the extent of the violent acts that they have perpetrated over the years. I don't mean to imply that the Panthers' philosophy has any more moral merit than that of the KKK.

I think in terms of "track record", overall, that observation is true. That said, I think the KKK's actual record of violent actions in, say, the last 20 years is quite low, too; so the two groups are functionally quite comparable today. Both are racist hate groups, who would probably use violence at the drop of a hat, if they thought they could get away with it.

840 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:56:37am

re: #838 loppyd

I wonder if Barry had the arugula salad.

The day awaits.

Later.

Does that mean Michelle had cake?

841 pink freud  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:56:39am

re: #835 iceweasel

i don't necessarily disagree with you in re: your comments about the lizard brain, etc., but I do take issue with your claim that this is what the Harvard study measures.

I recommend that folks go check out the study and read the details and the research protocol all available at the harvard site.

It is a study on perception.

842 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:56:42am

re: #838 loppyd

loppyd ... me too ... I have been putting it off long enough ...

later Lizards ...

/reine ... sent back the changes ... Thanks! ...

843 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:57:17am

re: #827 Last Mohican

I feel the need to weigh in on this myself, before I go off to start my day.

Every president in recent history has had no problem with firing up his 747 and flying across the country and back, just so he can make an appearance at five fundraising dinners that line his own political coffers, and those of his allies.

If Obama wants to whisk his wife off for an evening trip to New York in a much-smaller Gulfstream III, that's fine with me.


Massive upding for intellectual honesty.

844 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:57:53am

re: #826 loppyd

Sssssh.

No kidding. Yikes!

845 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:59:19am

re: #833 christheprofessor

re: #821 rightymouse

If you make it (or anybody else, for that matter), please report back on how you liked it next time you see me. It's pretty much my favorite way to eat spaghetti now (and it is painfully easy and quick to make), and I make spaghetti at least five ways (e.g., spaghetti and broccoli) (not counting thinks like baked ziti and other forms of pasta)...

Okay, I'm really out now!


Will do! I have some chorizo and peppers in the fridge.

846 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:00:23am

re: #809 rightymouse

I do agree with that point. While Bush may have enjoyed the same perks of office, he never nattered at us that WE have to tighten our belts in order to "save the planet" or impress other countries, or what have you.

847 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:00:27am

re: #525 Killgore Trout

The leaders are every bit as dumb as the base.

I'm the base. And I'm not sure it's just 'dumb'. It seems like much more than just 'dumb'.

Not Going on Oprah ...

"I reveal these things not to get sympathy or anything like it, but because I am sick and tired of so many non-whites and females acting like white males know nothing of life but some kind of mythical white-bread experience. Here's a hint: nobody grew up with Leave It To Beaver or Ozzie and Harriet. Those were TV shows."
848 pink freud  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:00:52am

re: #845 rightymouse

re: #846 Occasional Reader

Right on.

849 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:01:11am

re: #754 BigPapa

You just described a Bose Lifestyle system at $25-3500 a pop! Yow!

Nowadays, the $600 AV receiver gives you a ton of features and power for the money. Spend a little more for a decent HTIB system to match, then play with your room because it affects sound dramatically. If you have a good room, this will sound great.

Most of the HTIB are Bose clones, IMHO.

And y'know, they sound pretty good ... until you do a side by side with audiophile stuff. It's the middle ground that seems to have been abandoned, from what I've seen in just a little shopping.

850 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:02:01am

Would you prefer Øbama walk?
/

851 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:02:11am

re: #849 itellu3times

Most of the HTIB are Bose clones, IMHO.

And y'know, they sound pretty good ... until you do a side by side with audiophile stuff. It's the middle ground that seems to have been abandoned, from what I've seen in just a little shopping.

"All highs, and all lows, must be Bose"

852 justdanny  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:02:12am

re: #830 Last Mohican

Without doing a long extensive analysis of matters on which I am not expert, I'd say just in the extent of the violent acts that they have perpetrated over the years. I don't mean to imply that the Panthers' philosophy has any more moral merit than that of the KKK.


OK. I see.

853 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:02:32am

re: #849 itellu3times

until you do a side by side with audiophile stuff.

What do you consider as the audiophile stuff? Macintosh, I presume... what else?

854 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:06am

re: #828 reine.de.tout

Interesting.
I took one of those tests once, and me being a suthren redneck conservative Catholic heathen and all, certain people's biases may have led them to ASSUME I would have come out of that test with a showing of all sorts of personal biases.

But I didn't.
so these are interesting tests, indeed.

Exactly! It's incredibly interesting what you can find out by taking them. One of the most interesting things is seeing how you as the test-taker don't come out the way other people think you would.

It's very interesting. You can find out not just about the biases you have (and didn't think you had) but the ways in which you don't at all fit the popular stereotype other people have of you.

855 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:48am

re: #846 Occasional Reader

I do agree with that point. While Bush may have enjoyed the same perks of office, he never nattered at us that WE have to tighten our belts in order to "save the planet" or impress other countries, or what have you.

Exactly. Otherwise, I could care less about the perks of the office.

856 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:06:19am

re: #843 avanti

Wha ,,,,,,,?!?!?!?!

Was I LYING in my 691 !?!?!?!?!?!?!

857 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:06:56am

re: #850 unrealizedviewpoint

Would you prefer Øbama walk?
/

I thought one of the qualities of Obama was that He is omnipresent? So why does He need to "travel" at all?

/

858 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:07:23am

re: #853 Occasional Reader

What do you consider as the audiophile stuff? Macintosh, I presume... what else?

Not Macintosh for speakers,here's a guide with reviews:

Link

859 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:08:12am

re: #853 Occasional Reader

What do you consider as the audiophile stuff? Macintosh, I presume... what else?

No, it doesn't have to have tubes, that would be my brother's position, tho!

Can't quote you names or models, haven't shopped seriously, just that any old $200 HT/receiver these days is so feature-filled, accurate, and powerful, the idea that anyone even offers a $2000 version (and most of the major brands do!) is humorous.

Just every few months I'll wander into a Ken Crane's or similar place, listen to this system and that, check the prices, roll my eyes, and spend another few months with my variously small and/or decrepit systems.

860 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:08:52am

re: #841 pink freud

It is a study on perception.

If you want to get technical, "perception" means something quite different in the hardcore cognitive psychology community than it does for laypeople, and "perception" is also used in different ways within the broader research psychology community, as well as in visual science and in neuroscience.

861 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:09:33am

re: #797 justdanny

Have any of you seen this video where a Bugatti races the euro fighter jet?



I usually remain unimpressed by such silliness, but damn. This is wild!

Gripping stuff! Now let's see it done with a Spitfire.

862 Nevergiveup  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:10:00am

U.S. President Barack Obama has given himself a two-year deadline to reach a breakthrough on a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, The Sunday Times reported.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Lots a luck big guy?

863 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:10:26am

re: #858 avanti

Not Macintosh for speakers,here's a guide with reviews:

Link

Hey... I see my current brand (Paradigm) does very well. Although my current speakers are quite old.

864 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #858 avanti

Not Macintosh for speakers,here's a guide with reviews:

Link

OMG Ohm is back in business with an entire spectrum of Walsh speakers!

Has thirty years of development made them, like, durable?

Cuz they always sounded great!

865 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:12:04am

re: #862 Nevergiveup

U.S. President Barack Obama has given himself a two-year deadline to reach a breakthrough on a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, The Sunday Times reported.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Lots a luck big guy?

So if the two years go by, and no "breakthrough" deal happens he'll... quit trying?

(Or, just leave Israel the f**k alone... I'd like that, but I'm not hopeful.)

866 Last Mohican  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:12:08am

re: #862 Nevergiveup

U.S. President Barack Obama has given himself a two-year deadline to reach a breakthrough on a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, The Sunday Times reported.

He will succeed. Because he's the one who gets to define what a "breakthrough" is.

867 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:12:28am

re: #862 Nevergiveup

U.S. President Barack Obama has given himself a two-year deadline to reach a breakthrough on a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, The Sunday Times reported.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Lots a luck big guy?

He thinks it's all about him.

868 pink freud  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:12:30am

re: #860 iceweasel

If you want to get technical, "perception" means something quite different in the hardcore cognitive psychology community than it does for laypeople, and "perception" is also used in different ways within the broader research psychology community, as well as in visual science and in neuroscience.

No. It doesn't.

869 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:12:43am

Meanwhile in the West Bank.....
Six Palestinians Killed in Clash Between Rival Factions

Six people have been killed in a clash between rival Palestinian factions in the West Bank.

A gun battle erupted in the West Bank town of Qalqilya, when Palestinian police raided a hideout of the Islamic militant group Hamas. Top fugitives in the house hurled grenades and fired assault rifles to try and drive the police back.

Six people were killed: two armed Hamas militants and a civilian supporter, and three policemen loyal to western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. It was the deadliest infighting in the West Bank since Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip two years ago and drove out the Fatah forces of Mr. Abbas.

870 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:14:06am

re: #869 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile in the West Bank.....
Six Palestinians Killed in Clash Between Rival Factions

Why don't the Palestinians stop building in the West Bank, wouldn't that advance the cause of peace?

871 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:14:10am

re: #862 Nevergiveup

U.S. President Barack Obama has given himself a two-year deadline to reach a breakthrough on a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, The Sunday Times reported.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Lots a luck big guy?

Wait till he gets in a room with himself, bibi and th Palestinian leader du jour

"we're gonna need a bigger 2 years"

872 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:14:11am

re: #863 Occasional Reader

Hey... I see my current brand (Paradigm) does very well. Although my current speakers are quite old.

Paradigm was my best selling line, and the most bang for the buck.Well reviewed and not silly expensive.

873 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:15:11am

re: #856 sattv4u2

Wha ,,,,,,,?!?!?!?!

Was I LYING in my 691 !?!?!?!?!?!?!

Nope, massive upding for you too.

874 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:15:34am

re: #862 Nevergiveup

U.S. President Barack Obama has given himself a two-year deadline to reach a breakthrough on a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, The Sunday Times reported.

Which two years, 1948 and 2000?
/

875 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:15:35am

re: #849 itellu3times

It's the middle ground that seems to have been abandoned, from what I've seen in just a little shopping.

Yes and no. The middle of the road stuff, and it's a big road, doesn't get as much floorspace. The market is being driven by cost or performance, not cost/performance. There are tons of middle of the road, cost/performance stuff, just not in Walmart or your retail hifi place. Most of it is in audio video companies that do custom install. They'll have a bunch of middle of the road, well, all levels of middle of the road stuff.

You're right about HTIB sets trying to clone micro satellite speakers. That's Bose again, the marketing giants that they are.

876 Nevergiveup  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:17:18am

Rep. Charles Rangel, in wake of cop shooting, suggests even President Obama not safe in Harlem
Read more: "Rep. Charles Rangel, in wake of cop shooting, suggests even President Obama not safe in Harlem" -

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Hey how about paying your taxes Rangel?

877 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:18:11am

re: #859 itellu3times

No, it doesn't have to have tubes, that would be my brother's position, tho!

Can't quote you names or models, haven't shopped seriously, just that any old $200 HT/receiver these days is so feature-filled, accurate, and powerful, the idea that anyone even offers a $2000 version (and most of the major brands do!) is humorous.

Just every few months I'll wander into a Ken Crane's or similar place, listen to this system and that, check the prices, roll my eyes, and spend another few months with my variously small and/or decrepit systems.

Old audiophile joke:

"Do you have anything with a lot less power, for a lot more money ?

878 John Neverbend  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:18:17am

re: #867 Alouette

He thinks it's all about him.

How long is the deadline to reach a breakthrough on a nuclear Iran? Will it "stretch out to the crack of doom?"

879 pink freud  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:18:41am

re: #876 Nevergiveup

Rep. Charles Rangel, in wake of cop shooting, suggests even President Obama not safe in Harlem
Read more: "Rep. Charles Rangel, in wake of cop shooting, suggests even President Obama not safe in Harlem" -

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Hey how about paying your taxes Rangel?

There ya go, iceweasel. Lizard brain/perception ...or racism?

880 Nevergiveup  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:18:48am

Study: Most Turks don’t want Jewish neighbors
Istanbul university study suggests Turks have low tolerance for diverse lifestyles; 52% would not Christian neighbors

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Hey Obama ya gonna mention this when you reach out to Muslims?

881 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:18:53am

re: #853 Occasional Reader

'audiophile' is such a loaded term nowadays. LOL

882 tblot  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:19:14am

Wow the abortion Dr Tiller shot dead at church

883 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:20:26am

re: #874 itellu3times

Deserving of a rim shot.

884 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:21:46am

re: #882 tblot

Wow the abortion Dr Tiller shot dead at church

Link

885 J.D.  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:22:21am

Ivory towers teem with invertebrates

Cambridge, the proud capital of liberal self-importance, has its own Peace Commission, Human Rights Commission and even a Women’s Heritage Project.

And it’s also a pretty good place to beat your wife. ...

886 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:22:31am

re: #875 BigPapa

What it is, is that the $200 to $500 HTIB's can be pretty darned good now, which takes all the steam out of the middle ground.

And if you want five or seven channels, you really can't afford the space for big speakers, unless you live in a big (or empty!) house. And I've always loathed the tower-speaker design ... except for the Walsh!

Full-sized drivers do sound so much better, give linear response across the full range, and that used to seem so important, ... they also throw more amplitude in those lower-middle frequencies so you "feel" the music, you don't just hear it while your shoes catch fire from the subwoofer.

I have so much clutter these days, can't really set up great audio at home anyway, much easier when I was a new grad with my only furniture a couch and a few painted wire spools for coffee tables, ...

887 Nevergiveup  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:22:45am

"The American demand to prevent natural growth is unreasonable, and brings to mind Pharaoh who said: Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river," Science Minister and Habayit Hayehudi head Daniel Herschkowitz said Sunday, referring to US President Barack Obama's demand to freeze all settlement activity, even that ensuing from natural growth.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

And the enforcement would be interesting also?

888 rightymouse  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:22:57am

re: #862 Nevergiveup

U.S. President Barack Obama has given himself a two-year deadline to reach a breakthrough on a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, The Sunday Times reported.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Lots a luck big guy?

Why did I suddenly think of Groundhog Day?

889 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:23:05am

GOP senator: Stop calling Sotomayor a 'racist'
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Sen. Jeff Sessions said Sunday that he would prefer fellow Republicans stop attacking Sotomayor over remarks about her background as a daughter of Puerto Rican parents.

The 1st step to recovery is admitting there's a problem

Thank you, Senator Sessions

890 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:23:35am

re: #876 Nevergiveup

Rep. Charles Rangel, in wake of cop shooting, suggests even President Obama not safe in Harlem
Read more: "Rep. Charles Rangel, in wake of cop shooting, suggests even President Obama not safe in Harlem" -

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Hey how about paying your taxes Rangel?

Rangel is a disgrace. Is he TRYING to stoke a race riot?

891 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:24:26am

re: #877 avanti

Old audiophile joke:

"Do you have anything with a lot less power, for a lot more money ?

Sure, but power is cheap these days, I mean, five or seven channels of two hundred watt sound, you can recharge a car battery off these things.

892 Nevergiveup  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:24:26am

re: #890 Occasional Reader

Rangel is a disgrace. Is he TRYING to stoke a race riot?

Nah, that's Sharpy Sharpton's job.

893 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:24:55am

hey! Come drink the Palestinian coffee with the flavor of the US Presidential elections!

Also see: Here for Arafat and Che context.

894 J.D.  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:24:57am

STIMULATING STATISM

I was in Vermont the other day and made the mistake of picking up the local paper. Impressively, it contained a quarter-page ad, a rare sight these days. The rest of the page was made up by in-house promotions for the advertising department's special offer on yard-sale announcements, etc. But the one real advertisement was from something called SEVCA. SEVCA is a "nonprofit agency," just like The New York Times, General Motors and the state of California. And it stands for "South-Eastern Vermont Community Action."

Why, they're "community organizers," just like the president! The designated "anti-poverty agency" is taking out quarter-page ads in every local paper because they're "seeking applicants for several positions funded in full or part by the American Recovery & Reinvestment Act (ARRA)" – that's the "stimulus" to you and me. Isn't it great to see those bazillions of stimulus dollars already out there stimulating the economy? Creating lots of new jobs at SEVCA, in order to fulfill the president's promise to "create or keep" 2.5 million jobs. At SEVCA, he's not just keeping all the existing ones, but creating new ones, too. Of the eight new positions advertised, the first is:

"ARRA Projects Coordinator."

Gotcha. So the first new job created by the stimulus is a job "coordinating" other programs funded by the stimulus. What's next?

"Grantwriter."

That's how they spell it. Like in "Star Wars" – Luke Grantwriter waving his hope saber as instructed by his mentor Obi-Bam Baracki ("May the Funds be with you!"). The Grantwriter will be responsible for writing grant applications "to augment ARRA funds." So the second new job created by stimulus funding funds someone to petition for additional funding for projects funded by the stimulus.

The third job is a "Marketing Specialist" to increase "public awareness of ARRA-funded services." Rural Vermont's economy is set for a serious big-time boom: The critical stimulus-promotion industry, stimulus-coordination industry and stimulus-supplementary-funding industry are growing at an unprecedented rate. The way things are going we'll soon need a Stimulus-Coordination Industry Task Force and Impact Study Group. By the way, these jobs aren't for everyone. "Knowledge of ARRA" is required. So if, say, you're the average United States senator who voted for ARRA without bothering to read it you're not qualified for a job as an ARRA Grantwriter.

I don't want to give the impression that every job funded by the stimulus is a job coordinating the public awareness of programs for grant applications to coordinate the funding of public awareness coordination programs funded by the stimulus. SEVCA is also advertising for a "Job Readiness Program Coordinator." This is a job coordinating the program that gets people ready to get a job. For example, it occurred to me, after reading the ad, that I might like to be a "Job Readiness Program Coordinator." But am I ready for it? Increasing numbers of us are hopelessly unready for jobs. Ever since last November, many Americans have been ready for free health care, free day care, free college, free mortgages – and, once you get a taste for that, it's hardly surprising you're not ready for gainful employment. ...

895 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:25:37am

re: #882 tblot

Wow the abortion Dr Tiller shot dead at church

Not good. Not good at all.

896 sattv4u2  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:25:46am

re: #890 Occasional Reader

Rangel is a disgrace. Is he TRYING to stoke a race riot?

Not at all. He's just doing what he, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton et al have made their LIVINGS doing.

897 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:25:48am

re: #891 itellu3times

Sure, but power is cheap these days, I mean, five or seven channels of two hundred watt sound, you can recharge a car battery off these things.

We sold 14 watt, tube stereo amps for over 4K to audiophiles who should have known better.

898 Occasional Reader  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:26:24am

re: #891 itellu3times

Sure, but power is cheap these days, I mean, five or seven channels of two hundred watt sound, you can recharge a car battery off these things.

We can't just run all the power we want through our speakers, and drive our SUVs, and expect other countries to think it's okay.

/

899 Nevergiveup  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:26:32am

re: #893 Killgore Trout

hey! Come drink the Palestinian coffee with the flavor of the US Presidential elections!

Also see: Here for Arafat and Che context.

Handsome chap?

900 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:27:30am

re: #897 avanti

We sold 14 watt, tube stereo amps for over 4K to audiophiles who should have known better.

But did they have Monster cables, nooo, those came later!

901 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:28:03am

re: #895 Occasional Reader

Not good. Not good at all.

Lets hope it's not abortion related, or some on the right will claim gunning him down in church was God's will.

902 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:28:57am
903 TheQuis  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:29:09am

re: #829 vxbush

This article says nothing about where their finances stand right now.

And did you REALLY read and scrutinize the numbers to make sure they made sense because the really don't. The author is clearly trying to paint false picture to fit his story. Even after refinancing the house (probably to buy a car, as mortgages have a MUCH lower interest rate, and the interest on a mortgage is tax deductible) what they owed was less than what they made in a year on average. That would be pretty darn conservative in most circles.

904 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:29:40am

re: #886 itellu3times

What it is, is that the $200 to $500 HTIB's can be pretty darned good now, which takes all the steam out of the middle ground.

In marketing, maybe. That's the problem with this industry. But speakers are about engineering and luckily there's still a demand for performance driving new design and materials. You get a lot of value for a $500 HTIB.

However, the $2500 5.1 speaker system with a $600-$800 AV receiver will sound much better. The Suspension of Disbelief is easily achieved without blowing huge $$$ at the audiophile shop.

905 Fearless Fred  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:29:49am

re: #870 itellu3times

Why don't the Palestinians stop building in the West Bank, wouldn't that advance the cause of peace?

Maybe. You mean rt there by Judea and Samaria, right?

906 Nevergiveup  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:29:55am

re: #902 Iron Fist

I've got a feeling that he'll leave Israel alone, but not in the way you mean. It'll be Israel against the world, without the US to backstop them with that veto on the UN Security Council.

They will truly be alone. I think that is really what the One intends, but he has to make a show of trying to make peace before he completely washes his hands and hands Israel over to her enemies.

A true friend? Spit!

907 capitalist piglet  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:30:07am

re: #809 rightymouse

Bingo. The date isn't the problem as much as the "You spoiled Americans are going to have to change your lifestyles" rhetoric preceding it.

At least Carter had the sense to put on a sweater.

908 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:30:37am

re: #900 itellu3times

But did they have Monster cables, nooo, those came later!

No, I'm talking about modern tube stuff, still being sold to the real nuts. BTW, Monster Cables were our low end line. The $1000 a meter stuff was the real deal.

909 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #905 Fearless Fred

Maybe. You mean rt there by Judea and Samaria, right?

GMTA

910 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:33:11am

re: #908 avanti

No, I'm talking about modern tube stuff, still being sold to the real nuts. BTW, Monster Cables were our low end line. The $1000 a meter stuff was the real deal.

Hey, I love all this hifi talk, been a million years since I ran across any.

So, what, are you selling solid silver or gold cables? Wish I had your customer base!

btw, there is no sillier product sold on this planet, than "high-end" electrical cables.

911 Born Again Republican  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:35:42am

re: #907 capitalist piglet

People are feeling pretty powerless these days. Can't do anything about the big issues, might as well try to hurt him on the small stuff.

912 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:36:54am

re: #910 itellu3times

High performance speaker cables debates will challenge creation and RINO threads LOL. I've been in many.... get the popcorn!

913 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:41:52am

re: #912 BigPapa

High performance speaker cables debates will challenge creation and RINO threads LOL. I've been in many.... get the popcorn!

Ha! Well, I assert they are not intelligently designed!

Do you think there's a market for audiophile electrons, specially treated to deliver clearer sound? Of course, they only last a few weeks, so we ship to you in a faraday-shielded box cooled by liquid nitrogen to 80 degrees Kelvin, by the third day of each month, just leave us your AmEx number.

914 avanti  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:42:16am

re: #910 itellu3times

Hey, I love all this hifi talk, been a million years since I ran across any.

So, what, are you selling solid silver or gold cables? Wish I had your customer base!

btw, there is no sillier product sold on this planet, than "high-end" electrical cables.

Anyone with a electronic background, knows it's snake oil. They talked about skin effect for example, and even sold high end AC cords to "smooth" the power.

You'll get a kick out of this

Link.

915 nyc redneck  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:42:31am

re: #879 pink freud

There ya go, iceweasel. Lizard brain/perception ...or racism?

that episode w/ o's white grandmother was lizard brain/perception tinged w/ a whole lot of survival instinct kicking in from what she had experienced w/ that black thug who was harassing her aggressively and repeatedly.
o of course chose to see it see it as his grandmother was a racist.
that's the angle that worked for him.
quite frankly, he is a coward and seriously off in the head for not understanding that the far more appropriate role for him would be to have come to his aged grandmother's defense against the bum threatening her bodily harm.
he is disgrace. and a racist.

916 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:42:59am

re: #870 itellu3times

Why don't the Palestinians stop building in the West Bank and Gaza, and simply go to Jordan, wouldn't that advance the cause of peace?

There, fixed that for ya!

917 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:44:05am

re: #902 Iron Fist

And that...is when GOD steps in.

918 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:50:14am

re: #916 Macker

There, fixed that for ya!

Had another destination in mind ...

Anyway, it's not the Palestinians *building* stuff which is exactly the problem, it's the stuff they blow up, they're not especially known for building now are they.

919 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #914 avanti

Anyone with a electronic background, knows it's snake oil.

Link.

Anybody with a marketing and psychology background knows it's not (wink).

Me and a couple of buddies used to love to go to the marketing sites and pick apart the high end power cables for the 6 feet from the wall outlet to the audiophile device.

The wiring from the wall outlet, through your walls to your breaker panel, well, that 6 foot cable will 'fix' all that crappy cheap wiring. LOL.

920 Fenway_Nation  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:52:15am

re: #298 rustler

Late to that topic, I imagine there's the risk of overpenetration with the .223 round from the M-16 that was to be taken into consideration. The Army giving those rifles to the Massachusetts State Police might be a better option, since they work in more open, rural areas as well as the big cities.

921 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:02:38am

re: #919 BigPapa

Anybody with a marketing and psychology background knows it's not (wink).

Me and a couple of buddies used to love to go to the marketing sites and pick apart the high end power cables for the 6 feet from the wall outlet to the audiophile device.

The wiring from the wall outlet, through your walls to your breaker panel, well, that 6 foot cable will 'fix' all that crappy cheap wiring. LOL.

Well, that's what power conditioners are for, and in some situations they even can help, I mean actually. Though I suppose power generated by carefully filtered water falling through solid gold hydroelectric turbines, would be even better!

922 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:18:55am

re: #918 itellu3times

Um...was that other destination...Hell?

923 itellu3times  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:25:33am

re: #922 Macker

yessir

924 Kronocide  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:37:16am

World's largest subwoofer.

Flat to 10Hz? Hmm....

925 Mosse  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:53:00pm

Well, just for the record, German nature-philosophers, like Heisenberg, put forward the view that full knowledge was impossible, due to the presence of the investigator rendering empirical methods incapable of achieving the "inner knowledge" they believed they posessed (Heisenberg had refused to construct a heavy uranium pile to develop the bomb, since he refused to believe heavy water or the separation of the uranium isotopes was possible). In the 1940s, Einstein, de Broglie, and Landau issued a statement that this interpretation of the Uncertainty Principle was a false (and politicized) interpretation. Instead, they stated the Prinicple did NOT infer that knowedge gained through empirical methods was limited and that it simply indicated that quantum mechanics, in its present form, was incomplete but that full understanding would be gained by considering quantum mechanics as a provisional theory that needed to be amplified to include the time for decomposition of atoms, and other critical areas that Q.T. did not fully address.

The use of the Heisenberg Principle as evidence that empirical knowledge is limited has been heavily emphasized by post-modern and anti-rationalist thought of the past fifty years. Heisenberg was, of course, a National Socialist scientist. See: Stephen Mason, A History of the Sciences, New York, Collier Books, 1975, pp. 587, 588, 596-597.


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