1 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:22:59pm

That's something I can't say right now. Between work, gaming, and finance, I cannot be late on things this week. I've got to get things done.

2 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:25:48pm

He jumped the shark!

3 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:25:55pm

I had the urge to get my jammies on with the feet ... reminds me of Saturday mornings in front of the tv with milk spilling down my pjs ... Felix the Cat ... one of my favorites ...

4 notutopia  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:27:27pm

And to think that all of that body motion was shot with him laying on his living room hardwood floor!
What a mess to clean up after.
/

5 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:29:00pm

The bit with the lightening and the skeleton was good.

6 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:29:11pm
7 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:29:39pm

I remember those Fisher-Price houses.

8 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:30:13pm

Too funny! I worked for a Boss who was always late. It's a control issue, of bad bosses!

And he DID jump a shark!
VERY cool video. Done over a nice hardwood floor!

9 Bloodnok  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:30:33pm

I watched and I have to say this short was much less frightening than "Pencil Face". :p

10 Michael Perz  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:31:28pm

Wow. One percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration. This is wonderful.

11 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:31:55pm

re: #9 Bloodnok

I watched and I have to say this short was much less frightening than "Pencil Face". :p

Pencil face was truly disturbing.

12 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:32:00pm
13 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:32:00pm

re: #9 Bloodnok

Here I had forgotten about Pencil Face. Now I'll have nightmares again. ;p

14 Bloodnok  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:32:40pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

I remember those Fisher-Price houses.

I had one of them. I hadn't thought of it for years!

15 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:33:17pm

re: #14 Bloodnok

I had one of them. I hadn't thought of it for years!

I had a Barbie Dream House AND her cool convertible.

16 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:33:35pm

I can't hear it. Seems like sometimes my audio goes out (on videos only) when I'm online and have to reboot. I does that on two different computers.

Weird.

17 jaunte  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:34:10pm

Goodnight all. Off to sleep.

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents."
-- Robert F. Kennedy

18 dapperdave  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:34:54pm

Sorta reminds me of my commute to work, I liked the way they filmed it.

19 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:35:52pm

re: #14 Bloodnok

I had one of them. I hadn't thought of it for years!

I watched Toy Story 2 the other night, and I bet this comment made your toy house cry. ;)

20 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:36:00pm

Doing things the hard way...lol

21 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:36:28pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

I watched Toy Story 2 the other night, and I bet this comment made your toy house cry. ;)

Shar ... I heard that new movie "UP" is suppose to be good ... have you seen it?

22 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:37:38pm

re: #21 JacksonTn

Shar ... I heard that new movie "UP" is suppose to be good ... have you seen it?

No, not yet. But I love all of Pixars films that I've seen, and I bet this one is good too. I'm rally waiting on the next Harry Potter movie. Can't wait.

23 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:38:41pm

Andrew Sullivan linked to one of my Tiller posts... along with an Operation Rescue video about Dr. Tiller that's mind-warpingly horrific. The propaganda they were putting out about Tiller was designed to get him killed, there's very little doubt.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

24 dapperdave  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:40:26pm

re: #23 Charles

Worldnutdaily has been feeding into it as well.

25 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:40:26pm

I pity that poor hand-driven Mustang....

/snicker

But Hey! That was pretty neat!

26 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:41:11pm

Just very fine (and obviously hard) work on this short!
Thanks Charles!

27 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:41:32pm

I wish I hadn't clicked on that google video.

28 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:42:35pm

When you're Evil - Voltaire

29 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:43:43pm

re: #17 jaunte

Goodnight all. Off to sleep.

"What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents."
-- Robert F. Kennedy

Interesting tidbit: RFK's son Christopher looks set to run for Obama's old Senate seat next year. He runs the Merchandise Mart in Chicago, but it looks like he wants to go into the Family Business (i.e. the US Senate).

30 Bloodnok  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:45:23pm

re: #23 Charles

Andrew Sullivan linked to one of my Tiller posts... along with an Operation Rescue video about Dr. Tiller that's mind-warpingly horrific. The propaganda they were putting out about Tiller was designed to get him killed, there's very little doubt.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

(Graphic from video) "Together We Can Put An End To George Tiller, Abortion and These Horrific Crimes..."

Yep. You have it about right, Charles.

31 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:46:24pm

re: #23 Charles
Charles - that video is too much for me to watch - only made it through about 3 minutes and hadda shut it off.
These are some seriously wacko, psycho people.

32 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:48:06pm

re: #30 Bloodnok

(Graphic from video) "Together We Can Put An End To George Tiller, Abortion and These Horrific Crimes..."

Yep. You have it about right, Charles.

Must concur. A line like that can only be seen as incitement.

33 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:48:37pm

re: #30 Bloodnok

(Graphic from video) "Together We Can Put An End To George Tiller, Abortion and These Horrific Crimes..."

Yep. You have it about right, Charles.

Kind of hard to argue one favors a right to life when they're busy taking them.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:50:07pm

re: #33 Sharmuta

Kind of hard to argue one favors a right to life when they're busy taking them.

Fanaticism knows neither logic nor bounds. It cannot be reasoned with, only defeated.

35 pink freud  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:50:13pm

Fox's lead story, breaking:

"North Korea has reportedly moved its most advanced long-range missile to a new launch site and banned ships from waters off its west coast ahead of a launch."

36 Bloodnok  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:51:06pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Must concur. A line like that can only be seen as incitement.

I didn't even watch the middle bit. After a few of the shots in the beginning I made a lunge for the mouse and landed on that graphic. There's probably a LOT more of that stuff in there.

37 IslandLibertarian  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:51:15pm

re: #33 Sharmuta

I argue a right to life.
I'm not taking any lives.

38 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:52:00pm

It's very nice, to have a change of pace. Today was brutal.
Thank you so very much, for this blog of moderated rationality, Charles.
I am deeply appreciative.

39 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:52:07pm

re: #23 Charles

Andrew Sullivan linked to one of my Tiller posts... along with an Operation Rescue video about Dr. Tiller that's mind-warpingly horrific. The propaganda they were putting out about Tiller was designed to get him killed, there's very little doubt.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

I tried to avoid the threads relating to this. I just watched the video at Andrew Sullivan's site. WTF? Thanks for covering this Charles.

40 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:52:12pm

re: #35 pink freud

Fox's lead story, breaking:

"North Korea has reportedly moved its most advanced long-range missile to a new launch site and banned ships from waters off its west coast ahead of a launch."

Time to send our warships into those waters. I sense a Nork missile in need of some SM-3 lovin.

41 Irenicum  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:53:09pm

Neat video. Reminds me of cool dreams. Now I need to go have those dreams!

42 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:53:17pm

re: #33 Sharmuta

Kind of hard to argue one favors a right to life when they're busy taking them.

I noticed there were only nice white babies in that video.

43 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:53:38pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Time to send our warships into those waters. I sense a Nork missile in need of some SM-3 lovin.

DF .. it is sad isn't it ... I cannot imagine what a vet who served in Korea must be feeling now ... war continues to be played out over and over again ...

44 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:53:43pm

re: #35 pink freud

Fox's lead story, breaking:

"North Korea has reportedly moved its most advanced long-range missile to a new launch site and banned ships from waters off its west coast ahead of a launch."

Testing Obama?

45 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:54:00pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Time to send our warships into those waters. I sense a Nork missile in need of some SM-3 lovin.

O doesn't have the testicles.

46 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:54:16pm

re: #37 IslandLibertarian

I argue a right to life.
I'm not taking any lives.

But today someone did, and hundreds of people cheered it. I don't think they can argue from a right to life position after something like that.

47 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:54:45pm

re: #42 ggt

I don't want to talk about it.

48 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:55:18pm

Hey RW! I've been missing you lately--I'm not on-line as much.

How you doin'?

49 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:55:18pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

O doesn't have the testicles.

NJDhf .. yeah, but have you seen that really sweet egg statute in the Oval Office? ...

50 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:55:31pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

I don't want to talk about it.


Neither do I.

51 rain of lead  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:57:43pm

hey guys
question for the group
has anyone ever heard of these guys, their setup looks interesting

Smartypig

52 MrPaulRevere  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:57:52pm

re: #23 Charles

I was glad to help. Thanks again for the hat tip.

53 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:58:03pm

re: #50 ggt

So.... I liked how the guy jumped the shark.

54 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:58:48pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

Sharmuta,
I think you were the one who recomended to me "One Second After" by William Forstchen?
I am reading it for the second time.
Trying to absorb it all.
It made me cry.
And think, A LOT!
I thank you for it.

55 Sharmuta  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:59:24pm

re: #54 Floral Giraffe

No- I've never read that book.

56 spirochete  Sun, May 31, 2009 9:59:35pm

"sorry I'm late" was very close to what the Chinese leader Zhao zi Yang said to the protesting students in Tian An Men Square when he went to meet with them. Their response was "you're too late" or something similar.

57 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:00:09pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

O doesn't have the testicles.

Probably not. But could and should announce a total cut-off of all aid to the Norks if they launch that missile. Robert Gates is right to be "tired of buying the same horse twice". It's time Kim Jong-il was informed that the US can and will make his life worse and leave it that way if he does this. We don't need to open fire to hurt the Norks.

58 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:00:28pm

re: #54 Floral Giraffe

Sharmuta,
I think you were the one who recomended to me "One Second After" by William Forstchen?
I am reading it for the second time.
Trying to absorb it all.
It made me cry.
And think, A LOT!
I thank you for it.

Dang. Well, whoever recomended this to me....
Please accept my thanks.
Awesome read.

59 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:01:10pm

So we have these radical murdering religious fanatics who swim in a sea of moderate co-religionists who quite sincerely abhor the actions of the insane, BUT are nonetheless defensive about criticism from outside their religion, and suddenly wind up with a mouthful of mealy excuses and partial justification of the monstrous, reprehensible, execrable, act.

Sounds familiar.

60 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:01:39pm

re: #48 ggt
I'm doing ok, thanks ggt - how are y'all doing, working as hard as always or harder?!

61 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:03:10pm

Speaking of books - don't ever be tempted to read anything by the "much loved" writer Paul Coelho. Bloody awful.

62 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:03:12pm

Some more information on Scott Roeder:

Roeder, who in the 1990s was a manufacturing assemblyman, was also involved in the "Freemen" movement.

"Freemen" claimed sovereignty from government jurisdiction.

Adherents declared themselves exempt from laws, regulations and taxes.

In April 1996, Roeder was arrested in Topeka after Shawnee County sheriff’s deputies stopped him for having a license plate that read, "Sovereign private property. Immunity declared by law. Non-commercial American." They found bomb-making materials in his car.

He was sentenced in June 1996 to 24 months of probation, which ended six months early when the Kansas Court of Appeals overturned his conviction.

Morris Wilson, commander of the Kansas Unorganized Citizens Militia in the mid-1990s, said he knew Roeder fairly well.

"I’d say he’s a good ol’ boy except he was just so fanatic about abortion," Wilson said.

Suzanne James, former director of victims’ services for Shawnee County, said she remembers Roeder.

"He was part of the One Supreme Court, a Freemen group based out of Shawnee County," James said. "He was fanatic about a lot of things. I went to one of his court appearances and thought, 'This guy is dangerous.’ There were a lot of red flags that came up about him."

More here: [Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

63 IslandLibertarian  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:03:31pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

agreed, the epitome of hypocrisy..........but those that are on the "right to life" side that abhor what happened today will be lumped into the "far right religious conservative" straw-man.
it will be Katie or Matt or Mhar asking"Yes, but what about the "Right to Life" movement that calls for this kind of violence?"

64 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:03:44pm

re: #60 realwest

I'm doing ok, thanks ggt - how are y'all doing, working as hard as always or harder?!

Harder! Have a growing boy to feed and clothe!

65 Bloodnok  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:04:01pm

re: #53 Sharmuta

So.... I liked how the guy jumped the shark.

LOL!

66 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:04:05pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Some more information on Scott Roeder:


More here: [Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

You are doing some good research!

67 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:24pm

re: #53 Sharmuta

So.... I liked how the guy jumped the shark.


I thought the lightening with the skeleton was good! :)

68 Bloodnok  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:24pm

Good night, friends!

Tomorrow will be a better day. Because I said so.

:)

69 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:34pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Hey Dark_Falcon - "We don't need to open fire to hurt the Norks."
What else can we do? I remember this discussion sorta coming up earlier this week - with all the damage the North could do to the South and our Troops there as well, I don't see us holding a really strong hand and frankly I blame Obama, Bush, Clinton and all the Presidents, including Ike - not to mention the Fucking U.N.

70 Racer X  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:36pm
71 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:36pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Some more information on Scott Roeder:

Sorry, not reading through, but does that story go on to mention any of those concerned citizens taking action to limit Roeder's influence? Did they make their concerns known at the time?

72 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:05:44pm

re: #66 ggt

You are doing some good research!

:) Just a simple Google news search with a "sort by date."

Here's an ADL article on the Freeman Movement. This is one in Montana.

[Link: www.adl.org...]

73 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:06:48pm

re: #61 Jimmah

Speaking of books - don't ever be tempted to read anything by the "much loved" writer Paul Coelho. Bloody awful.


Ok, I'll bite - who is Paul Coelho and what has he written for anyone to love him?!

74 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:07:00pm

re: #71 haakondahl

Sorry, not reading through, but does that story go on to mention any of those concerned citizens taking action to limit Roeder's influence? Did they make their concerns known at the time?

Not that I've seen. Other than the one guy that said "There were a lot of red flags that came up about him."

75 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:08:22pm

I'd like to see us blow up the seventh missile on the pad. We could announce it beforehand, and explain with equanimity that "You conduct your tests, and we conduct ours".

Hat Tip to GySgt Hartmann.

76 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:08:37pm

So, I just put this book in my cart on audible.com. I'm listening to the C-SPAN Book TV talk on it now. The author mentioned "Jacksonian Style" and got my attention.

Anyone read or heard of it?

77 sngnsgt  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:08:44pm

Politifact:

Dick Cheney says only three terror suspects were ever waterboarded.

Link

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:09:08pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Some more information on Scott Roeder:

More here: [Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

Sounds like a long-time nut who finally turned his violent fantasies into reality. Not insane, though. He must never leave prison alive ( and I'm not opposed to Capital Punishment for him). However, I will still pray that he comes to repent of his many and grievous sins:

May he, and all those who have allowed their minds to become clouded by the smog of fanaticism, come to fuller understanding of the mission and teachings of Jesus Christ. May they repent of their deeds and find His mercy and forgiveness.

Amen.

79 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:10:06pm

Malaysian skinhead girls

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:10:55pm

re: #69 realwest

Hey Dark_Falcon - "We don't need to open fire to hurt the Norks."
What else can we do? I remember this discussion sorta coming up earlier this week - with all the damage the North could do to the South and our Troops there as well, I don't see us holding a really strong hand and frankly I blame Obama, Bush, Clinton and all the Presidents, including Ike - not to mention the Fucking U.N.

We can cut off trade: Any bank that deals with North Korea after a five day warning period should no longer be allowed to do business with the US. Also, cut off all aid to the North. Those step will make them feel a pinch.

81 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:11:32pm

Here is some book news...

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez says he has a new book for President Barack Obama: "What is to be Done?" by communist Vladimir Lenin, founder of the Soviet state.

Chavez says he'll "give it to Obama at the next meeting."

"What is to be Done?" is Lenin's political treatise on the role of intellectuals and the proletariat in promoting revolution, written more than a decade before he led the Bolshevik takeover of Russia in 1917.

82 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:12:13pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like a long-time nut who finally turned his violent fantasies into reality. Not insane, though. He must never leave prison alive ( and I'm not opposed to Capital Punishment for him). However, I will still pray that he comes to repent of his many and grievous sins:

May he, and all those who have allowed their minds to become clouded by the smog of fanaticism, come to fuller understanding of the mission and teachings of Jesus Christ. May they repent of their deeds and find His mercy and forgiveness.

Amen.

You are a better person than I am.

83 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:13:04pm

re: #70 Racer X

I'm a chicken opening youtubes from Lizards...
That was teh funny!
Thanks!

84 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:13:08pm

And more book news...

Fears of Muslim anger over religious book

An academic book about religious attitudes to women is to be published this week despite concerns it could cause a backlash among Muslims because it criticises the prophet Muhammad for taking a nine-year-old girl as his third wife.

The book, entitled Does God Hate Women?, suggests that Muhammad's marriage to a child called Aisha is "not entirely compatible with the idea that he had the best interests of women at heart".

It also says that Cherie Blair, wife of the former prime minister, was "incorrect" when she defended Islam in a lecture by claiming "it is not laid down in the Koran that women can be beaten by their husbands and their evidence should be devalued as it is in some Islamic courts".

Expect much seething over this one.

85 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:13:14pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like a long-time nut who finally turned his violent fantasies into reality. Not insane, though. He must never leave prison alive ( and I'm not opposed to Capital Punishment for him). However, I will still pray that he comes to repent of his many and grievous sins:

May he, and all those who have allowed their minds to become clouded by the smog of fanaticism, come to fuller understanding of the mission and teachings of Jesus Christ. May they repent of their deeds and find His mercy and forgiveness.

Amen.

As with most of these cases they're usually lone wolves. I agree that there were outside influences on him but in the end he took it upon himself to commit this crime.

86 JacksonTn  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:14:54pm

re: #79 Jimmah

Malaysian skinhead girls


[Video]

Jimmah ... I updinged you for finding that ... I don't like it but I really give you credit for locating some very strange music and the pics were also strange ... go back to the whales ... oh, yeah, isn't it really really late over there where you are? ... or maybe early ... anyway ... find me something good tomorrow ...

Going to bed ... Goodnight Lizards ...

87 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:16:16pm
88 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:16:17pm

re: #82 ggt

You are a better person than I am.

No, I'm not. I take other people's help for granted, I'm often lazy, I'm neurotic, and I be quite thoughtless too. But I know that I am prone to these failings, and I try to be better. I also believe that the proper Christian attitude is that Hell exists, but I pray that it be as empty as possible.

89 Racer X  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:17:07pm
90 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:17:44pm

re: #73 realwest

Ok, I'll bite - who is Paul Coelho and what has he written for anyone to love him?!

Brazilian novelist, wrote "The Alchemist" and "The Zahir" (not to be confused with the classic short story of the same name by Borges). I read "The Zahir" recently. I could write several pages slagging it off but I'll restrict myself here to a quick summary: Terrible self celebrating chattering class mid life crisis hippy rubbish.

"Much loved author" is how he is described on the cover of his books, which I've since realised is code for 'critically unacclaimed shit".

91 [deleted]  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:19:50pm
92 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:21:30pm

Good song when you feel the weight of the world.

Crash Test Dummies: Superman's Song

93 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:21:53pm

re: #91 momcat

I saw it on a program I think on the history channel. It was all about the Vanderbilts and the Biltmore Hotel.

I've stayed at the Biltmore in Phoenix twice. It is a very nice hotel and it has a great location.

94 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:27:19pm

re: #84 NJDhockeyfan

And more book news...

Fears of Muslim anger over religious book

Expect much seething over this one.

To parapharse Winston Churchill: "Let them seethe, let them rage, we shall come through."

95 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:27:25pm

re: #86 JacksonTn

re: #86 JacksonTn

Thanks. I put this one on because it's nice to give the non racist skinheads a bit of airplay - they are the original skins after all.

Goodnight to you too. (It's now early here. I usually work strange hours as well so I'm often around when I 'shouldn't' be)

96 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:28:41pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon
I think momcat was talking about The Biltmore Hotel in North Carolina - a truly spectaculor place, now open for the public to VIEW at a price!

97 realwest  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:29:57pm

Well it's late for me y'all so I'm off to bed. Hope you all have a great late evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

98 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:30:15pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Some more information on Scott Roeder:

More here: [Link: www.star-telegram.com...]

The more that comes out the scarier this dude becomes.

99 NY Nana  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:30:18pm

First of June? 52 F, and it really feels more like September.

/Damn that Albore.

I am actually going to sleep. Mark this day down in history!

There are parts upstate that actually had snow. Hi, ho, hi, ho, it's under the duvet I go to hibernate.

G'nite, all. Sweet dreams!

100 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:30:31pm

re: #95 Jimmah

re: #86 JacksonTn

Thanks. I put this one on because it's nice to give the non racist skinheads a bit of airplay - they are the original skins after all.

Goodnight to you too. (It's now early here. I usually work strange hours as well so I'm often around when I 'shouldn't' be)

Remember the non-racist skinhead vs. racist skinhead movement? Seemed like it occurred around the late 90s.

101 legalpad  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:31:20pm

Just an odd little observation here on the MSM and their surrogates: They observe massive and horrific killing of children in the name of Islam, and they start talking about root causes, their environment, their poverty, how the U.S. has mistreated them, and how we had it coming. They don't talk about anyone on their side inciting them to do it, or the religious philosophy behind it.

This bastard shoots a single adult male and they talk about which of their political adversaries caused him to do it, and how their views incite people to "violence". Imagine if some segment of the media started interviewing people who expressed sympathy and understanding for this guy, and pondered the "root cause" of his anger.

Personally, I have to wonder what security measures a guy like this doctor takes. It would seem, none. I take far more measures than that and I haven't focused the attention of thousands of potentially violent people on me. No amount of moral condemnation, by the way, is going to change these people. Why they think they are going to get control of this sort of thing is beyond me.

102 Neutral President  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:32:21pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Remember the non-racist skinhead vs. racist skinhead movement? Seemed like it occurred around the late 90s.

That was going on at the high school I went to around 89 and 90.

103 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:34:03pm

Chung King - Stay up Forever!

104 Racer X  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:35:28pm

You humans crack me up.

105 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:36:42pm

re: #98 FurryOldGuyJeans

The more that comes out the scarier this dude becomes.

If I read correctly this afternoon the bomb making material case was dismissed. He had many other priors. Most of the notorious cases this year involved people with priors convictions and what I consider soft sentencing.

It's been a crazy year thus far with the mass shootings in Alabama and New York. Also the other cases such as the police shootings in Pittsburgh and Oakland.

106 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:38:45pm

re: #102 ArchangelMichael

That was going on at the high school I went to around 89 and 90.

High school in 89 and 90? Show off. ;-)

Mine was in 79. Back when it was "the heads" vs. "the jocks."

107 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:40:05pm

re: #104 Racer X

You humans crack me up.

OMG!

108 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:41:51pm

Goodnight, Lizards!
Stay Scaly,
And civil, as much as you can.
The world needs rationality!
And this blog provides a place to discuss.
Bless Charles, with your civility!

109 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:42:03pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Remember the non-racist skinhead vs. racist skinhead movement? Seemed like it occurred around the late 90s.

I think it's been going on ever since the racists skinhead thing started. The skinheads I knew and hung out with in the UK in the late 80's/early nineties were all the ska/ mod scene types. I think the vast majority of the skinheads in the uk at least were of that type. The nazi skinhead thing still seems to dominate public perceptions though - I put that down to the fact that being a nazi scumbag is a more effective way of making the news than sitting around listening to The Selecter and smoking a few spliffs.

110 IslandLibertarian  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:42:09pm

re: #104 Racer X

thanks for that.....my GF, who has been battling migraine headaches all weekend, got a smile out of that.

111 IslandLibertarian  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:44:46pm

should be an interesting news week........
Israel Begins Biggest Civil Defense Drill Amid Iran Tensions
Israel began the biggest civil defense drill in its history on Sunday.

/later, it's dinner time

112 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:49:19pm

re: #109 Jimmah

I think it's been going on ever since the racists skinhead thing started. The skinheads I knew and hung out with in the UK in the late 80's/early nineties were all the ska/ mod scene types. I think the vast majority of the skinheads in the uk at least were of that type. The nazi skinhead thing still seems to dominate public perceptions though - I put that down to the fact that being a nazi scumbag is a more effective way of making the news than sitting around listening to The Selecter and smoking a few spliffs.

Yep. I never delved into the underground scene. I've seen it around and it's usually easy to tell the difference. Some waif girl with a skinhead haircut usually means safe. Some buffed up skinhead guy with an Iron Cross tattoo in the back of his neck means neo-Nazi. Tattoo or even general demeanor are the best indicator.

Once I was went to a local video rental store and some weird looking guy came in -- sort of like a goth but he was wearing a Nazi like uniform with a Swastika arm band. I was taken aback and couldn't believe what I was seeing.

Rambling here. Used to love ska while practicing on the guitar. Natural progression from reggae rhythm styles.

113 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:52:36pm

re: #106 Gus 802

High school in 89 and 90? Show off. ;-)

Mine was in 79. Back when it was "the heads" vs. "the jocks."

And when I went to DeVry back then, it was "Hewlett-Packard" vs. "Texas Ignorance"....

114 MrPaulRevere  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:57:18pm

I'm turning my nic blue to see if I get any hate mail. This might be interesting.

115 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:57:27pm

re: #113 Macker

And when I went to DeVry back then, it was "Hewlett-Packard" vs. "Texas Ignorance"....

I bought an HP-11C calculator around 1986. Still works nicely. Right around when the HPs got affordable we all realized what junk those LED TI calculators were. Those clumsy tiny buttons that were so hard to push.

116 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 10:58:34pm

re: #112 Gus 802

Yep. I never delved into the underground scene. I've seen it around and it's usually easy to tell the difference. Some waif girl with a skinhead haircut usually means safe. Some buffed up skinhead guy with an Iron Cross tattoo in the back of his neck means neo-Nazi. Tattoo or even general demeanor are the best indicator.

Once I was went to a local video rental store and some weird looking guy came in -- sort of like a goth but he was wearing a Nazi like uniform with a Swastika arm band. I was taken aback and couldn't believe what I was seeing.

Rambling here. Used to love ska while practicing on the guitar. Natural progression from reggae rhythm styles.

Agree with all of that. Also, nazi skinheads just don't mix socially with normal people.

Ok - time for a ska classic now - you'll remember this one:

117 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:02:35pm

re: #115 Gus 802

I used to own an HP-41C, and later on, an HP-28S (which really pissed off my math & stats prof). What wonderful calculators they are!

118 haakondahl  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:05:06pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like a long-time nut who finally turned his violent fantasies into reality. Not insane, though. He must never leave prison alive ( and I'm not opposed to Capital Punishment for him). However, I will still pray that he comes to repent of his many and grievous sins:

May he, and all those who have allowed their minds to become clouded by the smog of fanaticism, come to fuller understanding of the mission and teachings of Jesus Christ. May they repent of their deeds and find His mercy and forgiveness.

Amen.

Before I was expelled from a Baptist school (no harm, no foul), I was questioned about my less-than-Christian attitutde toward a classmate who had been on my nerves greatly.
I denied any such feelings, and described how I, of course, wanted the young man to go to heaven. Soon.

119 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:07:13pm

re: #118 haakondahl

Of course you didn't want the poor young man to go to Hell now, did you?

/snicker

120 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:09:08pm

Quiet night.

121 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:09:55pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Quiet night.

You do not want me to get up on a table and start a strip tease, m'ok? ;)

122 Macker  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:09:59pm

re: #120 Gus 802

I hope it isn't a quiet before a frakkin' storm.

123 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:11:35pm

re: #121 FurryOldGuyJeans

You do not want me to get up on a table and start a strip tease, m'ok? ;)

You'll have to wear a barrel and a lampshade. /

124 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:11:37pm

re: #115 Gus 802

I bought an HP-11C calculator around 1986. Still works nicely. Right around when the HPs got affordable we all realized what junk those LED TI calculators were. Those clumsy tiny buttons that were so hard to push.

I still like my Casio fx-115s. Great calculator for EE and computer nerds.

125 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:12:20pm

re: #122 Macker

I hope it isn't a quiet before a frakkin' storm.

Yeah. I just bought a box of martyr cookies and now Phildot is gone for good. /

126 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:12:24pm

re: #123 Gus 802

You'll have to wear a barrel and a lampshade. /

The barrel on the head and the lampshade on the, ummm, *ahem*? ;)

127 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:13:47pm

re: #125 Gus 802

Yeah. I just bought a box of martyr cookies and now Phildot is gone for good. /

You forgot a quart of self-righteous milk!

The nerve of some people, let me tell you! *grumble*

128 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:13:57pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Well, time for me to hit the sack too. Night folks:)

129 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:14:15pm

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

I still like my Casio fx-115s. Great calculator for EE and computer nerds.

I used to use my 11C for survey drafting for curve geometry. Hand drafting. I don't do survey drafting anymore and I really don't need since I work with CAD now. I use it like a basic adding machine.

130 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:14:37pm

re: #128 Jimmah

Well, time for me to hit the sack too. Night folks:)

Later Jimmah.

131 Gus  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:15:50pm

re: #127 FurryOldGuyJeans

You forgot a quart of self-righteous milk!

The nerve of some people, let me tell you! *grumble*

"I have an advanced degree in economics martyrdom and saved two companies from bankruptcy! Listen to me now!"

//

132 Neutral President  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:17:27pm

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

I still like my Casio fx-115s. Great calculator for EE and computer nerds.

I still have my HP48GX from my initial attempt at college. Before I figured out electrical engineering was hard. That calculator scared the CS geeks in my classes the 2nd time around the University for me. It's bullet proof.

133 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:33:39pm

re: #23 Charles

Andrew Sullivan linked to one of my Tiller posts... along with an Operation Rescue video about Dr. Tiller that's mind-warpingly horrific. The propaganda they were putting out about Tiller was designed to get him killed, there's very little doubt.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

That Operation Rescue video is horrific. "Graphic" doesn't even begin to describe it.
There can't be any question that it was designed to get Tiller killed. Everything about it, from the gruesome images, to the captions about Tiller, to statements like "Together We Can Put An End To George Tiller, Abortion and These Horrific Crimes", to the music choice--a very weird semi-martial kind of feel-- anyone who watches it will have to agree it was designed to get him killed.

Of course, the OR apologists won't watch it. They'll point to the hypocritical and falsely pious statement OR made about Tiller's death instead. They'll say that Roeder was just a lone whacko who only commented twice over there. They'll say Roeder was just a nut looking to act out and he just happened to pick Tiller.

Similarly, the rightwing whacko cohort will ignore or downplay the Sovereign Citizen connection, the O'Reilly statements, the crazy talk about armed insurrection and revolution being pumped out by people like Glenn Beck and Pam Atlas.

In other words, the usual suspects who helped to create a climate of hate can be expected to deny their moral responsibility for the role they played in this..

134 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:38:46pm

weet dreams all!

135 ShanghaiEd  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:40:36pm

re: #30 Bloodnok

(Graphic from video) "Together We Can Put An End To George Tiller, Abortion and These Horrific Crimes..."

Yep. You have it about right, Charles.

Bloodnok: That was the line that gave me chills, as well. Not too many ways you can parse "putting an end" to somebody. I thought I'd seen some offensive stuff, but this video is over the top of the top in its direct incitement.

136 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 31, 2009 11:45:46pm

re: #135 ShanghaiEd

Bloodnok: That was the line that gave me chills, as well. Not too many ways you can parse "putting an end" to somebody. I thought I'd seen some offensive stuff, but this video is over the top of the top in its direct incitement.

Not only that, but place that statement in the context of the whole video, all of which is clearly designed to inflame people. And the fact that Tiller had been shot once before, right? In 92?
Then it becomes completely clear that they intend "put an end to" to be parsed in only one way.

137 holterbarbour  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 12:06:38am

I call ripoff!

An Israeli singer named Oren Lavie did almost the exact same thing a while back in his music video for "Her Morning Elegance" (a great song, by the way), and did a much better job of it as well:


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