N. Korea Missile ‘Designed to Reach US’

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Today’s very bad news from the Korean hot zone: NKorea readies long-range missile test.

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea appears to be preparing to test an advanced missile designed to reach the United States, a U.S. official said Monday, ratcheting up tensions after its second underground nuclear test.

The reclusive communist country also reportedly bolstered its defenses and conducted amphibious assault exercises along its western shore, near disputed waters where deadly naval clashes with the South have occurred in the past decade.

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451 comments
1 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:00:09pm

KJI is simply very ronery, so he wants to reach out and touch us.

2 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:00:39pm

...and they're crazy enough to use it.

3 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:00:41pm

Don't tell me that home made missiles are suddenly something to worry about.

4 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:00:48pm

Is that sparsely populated hinterland Alaska US, or raving moonbat/DI Seattle area US?

5 Alaska Kim  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:01:08pm

This is very unnerving. I feel like a sitting duck!

6 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:01:21pm

Given Kim's comments the other day about the 1953 truce, this is not a good thing. We should take the little twerp seriously and put a stop to this crappola.

7 Fast Eddie  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:01:35pm

Not to worry - Obama knows the proper response to this. Shut down all our anti-missile defense programs.

If we survive the next four years it will be a miracle.

8 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:01:53pm

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #5 Alaska Kim

They laughed at Palin.

9 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:01:58pm

Let's hope "designed to" and "capable of" are two very different things.

10 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:02:01pm

North Korea's behavior in recent weeks really does seem to be going beyond its usual "I'm completely insane... but you can bribe me to be a little quieter" bombast. Things could get very bad, very soon.

11 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:02:04pm

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

I think the West coast is closer to Korea than Alaska.

12 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:02:05pm

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that sparsely populated hinterland Alaska US, or raving moonbat/DI Seattle area US?

I believe it is somewhere between Fairbanks and Beetles

13 mikalm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:02:10pm

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that sparsely populated hinterland Alaska US, or raving moonbat/DI Seattle area US?

Or the San Francisco Bay Area -- my home?

/and people wonder why I drink....

14 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:02:14pm

re: #7 Fast Eddie

Not to worry - Obama knows the proper response to this. Shut down all our anti-missile defense programs.

If we survive the next four years it will be a miracle.

And we have the Messiah-King to make it happen!

15 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:02:44pm

Obama! Clench your damn fist! ...

/I know you have to ask Michelle first ...

16 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:02:47pm

re: #8 Ben Hur

re: #5 Alaska Kim

They laughed at Palin.

"They" did a lot more than laugh.

17 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:03:01pm

I'm sure The One will react to this in the exact opposite way he expects Israel to react.

18 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:03:05pm

Will China put a clenched fist around Nokos throat?

19 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:03:06pm

The West Coast has just become a consideration for what constitutes "acceptable losses."

20 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:03:12pm

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that sparsely populated hinterland Alaska US, or raving moonbat/DI Seattle area US?

Here, from the article:

The missile being prepared for launch was believed to be an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of up to 4,000 miles (6,500 kilometers), the JoongAng Ilbo newspaper reported, citing an unnamed South Korean official.

That distance would put Alaska and U.S. bases on the Pacific island of Guam — along with all of Japan — within striking range.

21 jcm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:03:41pm

To bad missile defense is unproven.......

// The One

22 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:03:43pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I think the West coast is closer to Korea than Alaska.

Not by a long shot. Look at a globe, not a map.

23 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:04:03pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I think the West coast is closer to Korea than Alaska.

Nope, Alaska is closer, much closer, as is Guam. See my #20.

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:04:11pm

Rather ironic that if li'l Kim launches on the West Coast he will be firing on some of his most fervent supporters outside of NorK.

25 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:04:13pm

We have nothing to worry about!

N Korea is TINY compared to the US.

26 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:04:37pm

re: #25 Ben Hur

We have nothing to worry about!

N Korea is TINY compared to the US.

BH ... merci beaucoup ...

27 Alaska Kim  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:04:47pm

re: #22 Cato the Elder

Not by a long shot. Look at a globe, not a map.

yep.

28 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:05:15pm

re: #22 Cato the Elder

Not by a long shot. Look at a globe, not a map.


LOL!

I don't know why, but that cracked me up.

29 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:05:29pm

Looks like Lil' Kim wants attention reeeeal bad.

He's so ronrey.

30 Baier  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:06:05pm

I thought Obama was supposed to be the laxative that unclenched these N. Korea. I think N. Korea needs an enema.

31 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:06:26pm

Obama has the answer. He will pressure Israel.

32 Alaska Kim  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:06:27pm

And I thought that by living up here I was safe from all the moonbats.

33 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:06:41pm

Crap on a cracker in the middle of August!

34 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:06:55pm

re: #22 Cato the Elder

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

35 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:06:57pm

This missile is probably a variant of the multistage Taepdong missile launched earlier this year. That missile had the capability to hit Alaska and/or Hawaii.

36 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:07:21pm

Does thinking that it's OK for Iran to have a nuke, but not N Korea, make someone a racist?

37 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:07:31pm

If the NorKs nuke Nome and wipe out the carabou can we finally drill for oil on the north slope? /

38 S'latch  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:07:44pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Here is a globe.

39 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:07:45pm

Kim Jung Il: We have new intercontinental missile with warhead.

U.S. Envoy: Ooohhh. Let's see what we've got. Oh yeah:

The U.S. Navy currently has 14 Ohio-class SSBNs deployed. Each submarine is equipped with a complement of 24 Trident II missiles, for a total of 288 missiles equipped with 1152 nuclear warheads.

Kim Jung Il: No shit?

40 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:07:54pm

re: #27 Alaska Kim

It puts Anchorage, Alaska (pop: 280,000) within range.

41 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:08:15pm

re: #36 Ben Hur

Does thinking that it's OK for Iran to have a nuke, but not N Korea, make someone a racist?

BH ... no, but asking that questions does ! RACIST!

/

42 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:08:40pm

re: #40 Honorary Yooper

It puts Anchorage, Alaska (pop: 280,000) within range.


Alaska is irrelevant.

Where were you during the last election?

43 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:09:10pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

Not at all. It's what is called a Great Circle. A great cicle is usually the fastest way to travel around the Earth.

44 Alaska Kim  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:09:53pm

re: #40 Honorary Yooper

It puts Anchorage, Alaska (pop: 280,000) within range.

yep, and there is an Air Force base and an Army base there.

45 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:10:09pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

Nobody said there would be MATH!

46 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:10:34pm

re: #38 Lawrence Schmerel

Round earth propaganda! Viva la Turtle Stack!

47 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:10:35pm

Good thing we're cutting missile defense. This way, the Norks will feel less threatened.

/

48 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:10:49pm

re: #42 Ben Hur

Alaska is irrelevant.

Where were you during the last election?

Going red for McCain/Palin. Hawaii OTOH went properly blue.

49 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:10:51pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I think the West coast is closer to Korea than Alaska.

Politically you would be correct. As in: Speaker Pelosi is closer philosophically than Governor Palin is to the North Korean dictator.

50 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:10:53pm

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that sparsely populated hinterland Alaska US, or raving moonbat/DI Seattle area US?

The Peter Bagge book Apocalypse Nerdis about the effects of Seattle being nuked.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

51 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:10:53pm
52 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:10:57pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I think the West coast is closer to Korea than Alaska.

I'm sure San Diego would be a more desirable target. I can see the tops of the Navy ships from my window...... wonderful.

53 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:02pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

The shortest route would be a tesseract... but they haven't figured out how to do that yet.

54 mikalm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:05pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

I always wondered about the "Great Circle" route to Europe that bypasses most of the Atlantic. When I flew to the UK via this route from California, we passed right over Greenland, which was an utter wasteland of snow and rock.

55 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:37pm

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans

Rather ironic that if li'l Kim launches on the West Coast he will be firing on some of his most fervent supporters outside of NorK.

I wonder how many lizards reside on the West Coast.

56 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:37pm

Where is ole Joey ... gotta love em ... he has this all figured out ... he predicted it way back ... testing .... testing ... testing ...

57 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:42pm

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, those inherited problems. They just keep plaguing the Organizer in Chief.

"The policies of the last 8 years" drinking game?

58 Shug  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:48pm

This would never have happened had not Bush called them the Axis of Evil

/

59 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:52pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

They were lying. The shortest route involves drilling an oblique tunnel. The problem is that it's much, much, much slower than flying.

60 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:56pm

re: #42 Ben Hur

Alaska is irrelevant.

Where were you during the last election?

The Salmon supply could be irradiated for decades. It's a plot against bagels and lox!

61 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:11:57pm

re: #43 Honorary Yooper

Ooooh, that's kinda cool. I'll have to think about that until it sinks in.

62 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:12:07pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

Get a piece of string and a globe. Stretch the string between two points, and move it to where it's at its shortest length.

63 mikalm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:12:21pm

re: #50 Mad Al-Jaffee

The Peter Bagge book Apocalypse Nerdis about the effects of Seattle being nuked.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Peter Bagge is my favorite "alternative" cartoonist. The Bradleys and Hate were brilliant -- the latter strip pretty much summed up my life in my 20s.

64 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:12:43pm

Later.

65 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:12:56pm

re: #62 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Get a piece of string and a globe. Stretch the string between two points, and move it to where it's at its shortest length.

DON'T DO IT!

66 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #55 debutaunt

I wonder how many lizards reside on the West Coast.

I think there are quite a few of us. At least Charles is safe under the Denver Airport.

67 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:13:18pm

re: #63 mikalm

Peter Bagge is my favorite "alternative" cartoonist. The Bradleys and Hate were brilliant -- the latter strip pretty much summed up my life in my 20s.

Mine too. I have pretty much everything he's written. And he's one my MySpace friends!

68 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:13:26pm

re: #39 subsailor68

Math is not part of this calculus (as in the greater number of US nukes on board a single US strategic missile sub or the nuclear tipped-Tomahawk cruise missiles on board the attack subs). It's all about extortion and threats, and Obama isn't a poker player. Or much of a chess player either. L'il Kim is looking to bluff his way to his goals, which he's not making clear although it likely includes affecting possible reunification talks. He's hoping that the US will back down and give him more aid and money, while the regime continues to do nothing to deserve it.

69 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:13:46pm

re: #65 Ben Hur

DON'T DO IT!

hmmm, the Flat Earth Society must have a new member.

/*grin*

70 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:13:56pm

Just shot it down!

71 gtrs  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:14:22pm

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans
yea; you just know all them crazy dems are commies and support terrorist states like north korea and wackos like president kim................../

72 Dianna  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:14:23pm

re: #54 mikalm

I always wondered about the "Great Circle" route to Europe that bypasses most of the Atlantic. When I flew to the UK via this route from California, we passed right over Greenland, which was an utter wasteland of snow and rock.

Making its name one of the greatest pieces of marketing ever!

I enjoy the Greenlander Sagas, too.

73 opnion  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:14:38pm

Does anybody else find it ironic that so much has happened since the fall of the USSR?

74 jcm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:14:41pm

re: #62 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Get a piece of string and a globe. Stretch the string between two points, and move it to where it's at its shortest length.

Please don't go propagating unproven string theory here!

;-P

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:14:58pm

re: #54 mikalm

I always wondered about the "Great Circle" route to Europe that bypasses most of the Atlantic. When I flew to the UK via this route from California, we passed right over Greenland, which was an utter wasteland of snow and rock.

On of my most memorable flights was coming back from the UK. since we were going west the sunset lasted a really long time. Greenland was really cool looking with the prolonged sunset.

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:15:01pm

re: #55 debutaunt

I wonder how many lizards reside on the West Coast.

Quite a few, but lizards don't support negotiating with a thug like a lot of the moonbats in Seattle want.

77 jamgarr  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:15:02pm

re: #57 Ben Hur

"The failed policies of the last 8 years" drinking game?


FTFY

78 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:15:12pm

re: #57 Ben Hur

"The policies of the last 8 years" drinking game?

There are not enough livers and kidneys for that game.

79 callahan23  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:15:16pm

re: #28 Ben Hur

re: #22 Cato the Elder
Not by a long shot. Look at a globe, not a map.
LOL!
I don't know why, but that cracked me up.

Did you think of thios kind of image.
//

80 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:15:34pm

re: #74 jcm

Please don't go propagating unproven string theory here!

;-P

Sorry.
I shoulda remembered it's cheesey.

81 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:15:38pm

re: #77 jamgarr

FTFY

Thanks!

That's what I meant!

82 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:15:54pm

Again, my prediction: We're witnessing the morbid thrashings of a dying dictator.

His underlings have to keep him happy for now, with missile launches and underground explosive tests that barely make it to the Hiroshima level.

Underground explosions are not the same as deliverable weapons, not even as bombs, much less as missiles.

Kim III will last five minutes in power when Dear Leader goes to meet his maker, and then there'll be a coup with a colonel or a junta in charge.

The junta will want to go on breathing and won't care so much about cults of personality, since to be in power at all for so long has meant tamping down their own personalities to the point of invisibility.

They will want three things: continued support from China, rapprochement and trade with SK, and recognition by the US.

To get them, they will sign deals.

The North will open up to the South to such an extent that there will be a Berlin Wall effect. Sooner rather than later.

China will accept a unified Korea for trade reasons alone.

We'll have to get our apocolyptogasms elsewhere in the near future.

Signed and witnessed this day of June the First, anno domini MMIX.

--Cato

83 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:15:56pm

re: #68 lawhawk

Math is not part of this calculus (as in the greater number of US nukes on board a single US strategic missile sub or the nuclear tipped-Tomahawk cruise missiles on board the attack subs). It's all about extortion and threats, and Obama isn't a poker player. Or much of a chess player either. L'il Kim is looking to bluff his way to his goals, which he's not making clear although it likely includes affecting possible reunification talks. He's hoping that the US will back down and give him more aid and money, while the regime continues to do nothing to deserve it.

Hi lawhawk! Yeah, unfortunately, I do believe you're spot on, particularly the aid/money angle.

But my post was funnier!

;-)

84 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:16:32pm

re: #71 gtrs

yea; you just know all them crazy dems are commies and support terrorist states like north korea and wackos like president kim................../

Come to the Seattle area some time and discover there are quite a number of moonbat supporters of thugs like Kim.

85 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:16:36pm

So what are the Vegas odds for Seoul being around this time next year?

86 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:17:21pm
87 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:17:21pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

Heh. You would have hated life if they had gone the other route!

88 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:17:35pm

re: #66 Pvt Bin Jammin

I think there are quite a few of us. At least Charles is safe under the Denver Airport.

But Dianna, Zombie and I are sitting lizards.

89 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:17:41pm

re: #52 Mr Pancakes

I'm sure San Diego would be a more desirable target. I can see the tops of the Navy ships from my window...... wonderful.

Shhhhh dont give them any ideas. I'm not ready to play Jericho for reals yet.

90 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:17:58pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So what are the Vegas odds for Seoul being around this time next year?

Slim. James Brown passed away.

/i dunno what they put in my water today.

91 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:18:02pm

re: #22 Cato the Elder

Not by a long shot. Look at a globe, not a map.

heh: he said "long shot"......

92 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:18:10pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So what are the Vegas odds for Seoul being around this time next year?

Well not sure but if you own a cell phone made in S Korea, I'd buy a few extra batteries asap.

93 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:18:19pm

re: #88 debutaunt

But Dianna, Zombie and I are sitting lizards.

Me too.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:18:46pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So what are the Vegas odds for Seoul being around this time next year?

Jesus. Bite your tongue.

95 Dianna  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:19:07pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

I call that over-optimistic.

96 jamgarr  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:19:45pm

re: #81 Ben Hur

Thanks!

That's what I meant!


I'll let it pass - this time. Next time it's off to the re-education camp. You MUST know the catch phrases!

97 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:19:46pm

"It's all Bush's fault!"

98 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:19:50pm

re: #95 Dianna

I call that over-optimistic.

Just remember I said it and either taunt me or give me credit a year or so from now.

99 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:19:56pm
100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:19:59pm

re: #88 debutaunt

But Dianna, Zombie and I are sitting lizards.

Me too.

101 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:20:04pm

re: #95 Dianna

I call that over-optimistic.

I don't...I agree entirely

102 avanti  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:20:50pm

re: #25 Ben Hur

We have nothing to worry about!

N Korea is TINY compared to the US.

Yep, that OBama quote in context was that they are a tiny threat compared to China and Russia that we've lived with for decades. We could bounce rubble in Korea with one boomer sub.
You want worries, the Cuban missile crisis was scary. Korea is a pimple on the worlds ass that we'll need to pop at some point, but there is time, maybe 5 years or less to be safe.

103 Dianna  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:21:13pm

re: #98 Cato the Elder

Just remember I said it and either taunt me or give me credit a year or so from now.

As a commenter on a blog, I'll be glad to do either one. But if I were a policy maker, in Russia, the US, SK, or China?

104 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:21:37pm

The Obama flip-flops you don't know

105 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:21:44pm

I hope nobody takes offense if I note that the Chevrolet Chevette was designed to be a Toyota-killer, too.

New Coke was designed to replace Coke Classic.

It don't make the news any less grim, but just because something is designed to do something don't mean that it can.

But still, I'd agree with those people who feel these announcements from the NK folks are more sales pitch than sabre-rattling.

106 zombie  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:21:50pm
The missile being prepared for launch was believed to be an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of up to 4,000 miles (6,500 kilometers), the JoongAng Ilbo newspaper reported, citing an unnamed South Korean official.
That distance would put Alaska and U.S. bases on the Pacific island of Guam — along with all of Japan — within striking range.

Whew -- when I see "designed to reach the U.S.," I'm thinkin' Seattle or San Francisco. Not quite as serious as I first imagined, but still not good -- especially if you live on Guam or the Aleutians.

I still say we are being bullied around by a paper tiger, and that North Korean could be liberated extremely rapidly, within a matter of days, with a well-planned assault.

Or, we could just sit back and let North Korea spread nuclear weapons to rogue states and terror groups all over the globe for the next 20 years, and then watch as civilization is replaced by a large mushroom farm.

107 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:22:06pm

re: #102 avanti

Yep, that OBama quote in context was that they are a tiny threat compared to China and Russia that we've lived with for decades. We could bounce rubble in Korea with one boomer sub.
You want worries, the Cuban missile crisis was scary. Korea is a pimple on the worlds ass that we'll need to pop at some point, but there is time, maybe 5 years or less to be safe.

he said the same thing about Iran...how stupid can a POTUS be?...the retracted it a bit later...BO is a lunatic

108 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:22:12pm

re: #102 avanti

Yep, that OBama quote in context was that they are a tiny threat compared to China and Russia that we've lived with for decades. We could bounce rubble in Korea with one boomer sub.
You want worries, the Cuban missile crisis was scary. Korea is a pimple on the worlds ass that we'll need to pop at some point, but there is time, maybe 5 years or less to be safe.

avanti ... wonder if Japan or Seoul feel that way about the "pimple" problem ...

109 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:22:40pm

If N Korea is going to test a long range ICBM, it is only for one reason. They don't need a long range ICBM to hit S Korea or Japan. They don't have a space program . It's to hit US here in the USA. Shoot the dam thing outa the sky.

110 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:23:18pm

re: #93 Pvt Bin Jammin

Me too.

i'm a drinking lizard..... %-)

111 Hawaii69  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:23:24pm

Unfortunately, you can't stack TNT on top of a missile
and create a fake nuclear explosion, as you can underground.

Once they do get a working bomb, coming up with a working nuclear warhead and attaching it to a missile
is far more complicated than it sounds.

As for them being crazy? Crazy for atttention and relevance maybe. Not crazy for self destruction.

Far too much hysteria over it, at this point.

112 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:23:30pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup

If N Korea is going to test a long range ICBM, it is only for one reason. They don't need a long range ICBM to hit S Korea or Japan. They don't have a space program . It's to hit US here in the USA. Shoot the dam thing outa the sky.


Imagine of N Korea actually bordered the US.

Than the US wouldn't need to worry at all.

113 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:23:42pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup

If N Korea is going to test a long range ICBM, it is only for one reason. They don't need a long range ICBM to hit S Korea or Japan. They don't have a space program . It's to hit US here in the USA. Shoot the dam thing outa the sky.

blow it up on the pad..... much easier to do.

114 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:24:02pm

re: #113 redc1c4

blow it up on the pad..... much easier to do.

Hey, that works for me.

115 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:24:03pm

re: #111 Hawaii69

Unfortunately, you can't stack TNT on top of a missile
and create a fake nuclear explosion, as you can underground.

Once they do get a working bomb, coming up with a working nuclear warhead and attaching it to a missile
is far more complicated than it sounds.

As for them being crazy? Crazy for atttention and relevance maybe. Not crazy for self destruction.

Far too much hysteria over it, at this point.

a nuclear explosion cannot be faked

116 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:24:23pm

OT Went out to get a bite to eat. There was a small construction site next to the eatery. A bright orange sign with black lettering stated, "Putting American to Back to Work." Is this little, teeny tiny project a government sponsored one?

Struck me as being FDRish. Depression era rhetoric.

117 avanti  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:25:09pm

re: #108 JacksonTn

avanti ... wonder if Japan or Seoul feel that way about the "pimple" problem ...

If they don't, they certainly can feel free to do something. After all, the bully is in their back yard, and were the cop 6000 miles away.

118 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:25:18pm

re: #116 midwestgak

OT Went out to get a bite to eat. There was a small construction site next to the eatery. A bright orange sign with black lettering stated, "Putting American to Back to Work." Is this little, teeny tiny project a government sponsored one?

Struck me as being FDRish. Depression era rhetoric.

All the sign makers will be doing quite well.

119 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:25:24pm

re: #113 redc1c4

blow it up on the pad..... much easier to do.

good chance of that happening by itself

120 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:25:26pm

re: #116 midwestgak

OT Went out to get a bite to eat. There was a small construction site next to the eatery. A bright orange sign with black lettering stated, "Putting American to Back to Work." Is this little, teeny tiny project a government sponsored one?

Struck me as being FDRish. Depression era rhetoric.

Ask them if they were in talks to begin construction before or after the stimulus money got voted on.

121 Shug  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:25:28pm

re: #88 debutaunt

But Dianna, Zombie and I are sitting lizards.

I'm safe as safe can be in the Detroit Area.
Even if they had a weapon to reach us, why bother?

the area is already destroyed by the Coleman I and the Coleman II ( Kwame ) missiles

122 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:26:34pm
Today’s very bad news from the Korean hot zone

Right, mostly bad news for North Koreans.

123 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:26:39pm

re: #115 albusteve

a nuclear explosion cannot be faked

Ahh...yes.

But a tsunami causing earthquake CAN!

Just ask the Americans/Indians/Israelis.

124 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:26:47pm

re: #121 Shug

I'm safe as safe can be in the Detroit Area.
Even if they had a weapon to reach us, why bother?

the area is already destroyed by the Coleman I and the Coleman II ( Kwame ) missiles

much of the city already looks like an apocalyptic aftermath

125 jcm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:26:49pm

re: #106 zombie

Whew -- when I see "designed to reach the U.S.," I'm thinkin' Seattle or San Francisco. Not quite as serious as I first imagined, but still not good -- especially if you live on Guam or the Aleutians.

I still say we are being bullied around by a paper tiger, and that North Korean could be liberated extremely rapidly, within a matter of days, with a well-planned assault.

Or, we could just sit back and let North Korea spread nuclear weapons to rogue states and terror groups all over the globe for the next 20 years, and then watch as civilization is replaced by a large mushroom farm.

The Norks are more fanatically than the Japanese in '45. They have been indoctrinated for generations now that we are planning just that and will fight tooth and nail down to the women and children.

They have a huge standing army. 1.1 million under arms, we have 1.4 million.

It would be a bloody affair, with a huge cost.

126 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:26:50pm

re: #117 avanti

If they don't, they certainly can feel free to do something. After all, the bully is in their back yard, and were the cop 6000 miles away.

Japan is limited by their constitution to a Self Defense Force under the terms of their surrender after WW2. They dont have many options.

127 avanti  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:27:05pm

re: #119 albusteve

good chance of that happening by itself

Bet you a beer, the thing will fail well before it gets to it's intended range.

128 brookly red  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:27:10pm

re: #116 midwestgak

OT Went out to get a bite to eat. There was a small construction site next to the eatery. A bright orange sign with black lettering stated, "Putting American to Back to Work." Is this little, teeny tiny project a government sponsored one?

Struck me as being FDRish. Depression era rhetoric.

are they bulding an ACORN office?

129 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:27:40pm

Well all, must go. I hope everyone here has a terrific evening!

130 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:27:54pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Japan is limited by their constitution to a Self Defense Force under the terms of their surrender after WW2. They dont have many options.

That shit was like when?

The One wasn't even born yet.

IRRELEVANT!

131 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:27:57pm

re: #121 Shug

I'm safe as safe can be in the Detroit Area.
Even if they had a weapon to reach us, why bother?

the area is already destroyed by the Coleman I and the Coleman II ( Kwame ) missiles

I'd worry about a massively inaccurate missile launch.

132 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:28:10pm

re: #116 midwestgak

OT Went out to get a bite to eat. There was a small construction site next to the eatery. A bright orange sign with black lettering stated, "Putting American to Back to Work." Is this little, teeny tiny project a government sponsored one?

Struck me as being FDRish. Depression era rhetoric.

Yes, that was the new ALSO (Agency for Little Signs in Orange). They have a staff of 3000 making signs.

133 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:28:32pm

re: #106 zombie

Whew -- when I see "designed to reach the U.S.," I'm thinkin' Seattle or San Francisco. Not quite as serious as I first imagined, but still not good -- especially if you live on Guam or the Aleutians.

I still say we are being bullied around by a paper tiger, and that North Korean could be liberated extremely rapidly, within a matter of days, with a well-planned assault.

Or, we could just sit back and let North Korea spread nuclear weapons to rogue states and terror groups all over the globe for the next 20 years, and then watch as civilization is replaced by a large mushroom farm.

With the current administration, I'm afraid that the latter is far more likely than the former. Unless this is the test Biden was yammering about that Americans (the left or right or both?) wont like when he does "the right thing".

I fear that the post-Obama President will have an extraordinary mess to clean up... or continue to ignore.

134 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:28:37pm

re: #128 brookly red

are they bulding an ACORN office?

heh. Probably. Using a neighborhood bar as a front./

135 Alaska Kim  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:28:42pm

re: #124 albusteve

much of the city already looks like an apocalyptic aftermath

Heh.

136 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:28:48pm

re: #125 jcm

The Norks are more fanatically than the Japanese in '45. They have been indoctrinated for generations now that we are planning just that and will fight tooth and nail down to the women and children.

They have a huge standing army. 1.1 million under arms, we have 1.4 million.

It would be a bloody affair, with a huge cost.

an extremely quick liberation ain't gonna happen....more than a bloodbath

137 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:28:50pm

re: #131 debutaunt

I'd worry about a massively inaccurate missile launch.

Accuracy is secondary when lobbing nuclear warheads at civilians.

138 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #106 zombie

A bully that still has tens of thousands artillery tubes aimed at our ally's capital city of Seoul. That's the ever present threat. I've argued previously that the nuclear threat isn't much of a threat now. We've known about it for some time, and acting as though it is more of a threat now makes little sense.

Containment is the best option as I see it - preventing further proliferation.

Stationing missile defense boats makes sense as well. PSI needs a vigorous enforcement operation in place (outside the UN and IAEA which have been worse than useless in these situations).

Also, I've wondered whether ignoring the problem might make it go away.

139 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:29:09pm

re: #106 zombie

Whew -- when I see "designed to reach the U.S.," I'm thinkin' Seattle or San Francisco. Not quite as serious as I first imagined, but still not good -- especially if you live on Guam or the Aleutians.

I still say we are being bullied around by a paper tiger, and that North Korean could be liberated extremely rapidly, within a matter of days, with a well-planned assault.

Or, we could just sit back and let North Korea spread nuclear weapons to rogue states and terror groups all over the globe for the next 20 years, and then watch as civilization is replaced by a large mushroom farm.

i only got the unclassified briefings, but the NKPA scares me..... and i'm not even in the dervice any more.

140 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:29:22pm

re: #127 avanti

Bet you a beer, the thing will fail well before it gets to it's intended range.

Is our defense plan based on wishful thinking?

141 opnion  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:29:41pm

re: #125 jcm

The Norks are more fanatically than the Japanese in '45. They have been indoctrinated for generations now that we are planning just that and will fight tooth and nail down to the women and children.

They have a huge standing army. 1.1 million under arms, we have 1.4 million.

It would be a bloody affair, with a huge cost.

Yeah, the Korean War was a meat grinder. NK has good troops & the weather can be brutal.
One difference this tme is that the ROK troops are much better, but a land war would be awfully tough.

142 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:29:48pm

re: #127 avanti

Bet you a beer, the thing will fail well before it gets to it's intended range.

I would not drink with you if I was dying of thirst....well maybe in that one case

143 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:30:42pm

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, those inherited problems. They just keep plaguing the Organizer in Chief.

The Norks are like a family heirloom, passed down from President to President since 1950.

144 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:30:49pm

re: #128 brookly red

are they bulding an ACORN office?

Three fake voters go into a bar...

145 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:30:55pm
146 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:30:57pm

re: #68 lawhawk

Math is not part of this calculus (as in the greater number of US nukes on board a single US strategic missile sub or the nuclear tipped-Tomahawk cruise missiles on board the attack subs). It's all about extortion and threats, and Obama isn't a poker player. Or much of a chess player either. L'il Kim is looking to bluff his way to his goals, which he's not making clear although it likely includes affecting possible reunification talks. He's hoping that the US will back down and give him more aid and money, while the regime continues to do nothing to deserve it.

In other words, it's the same old shit Kimmy has been pulling - successfully - for decades now. He's just introducing his third American Administration to it.

The US should simply walk away from this petty tyrant and ignore him. He is desperate for more US aid - we're the only ones who ever pony any up - and we need to make it clear that it won't be forthcoming under any sort of threat. Kimmy is certainly crazy, but he isn't stupid; he isn't going to lob anything at us and start a war that will last all of ten minutes, with him on the losing end. He'll escalate for a while longer, then sulk off into another one of his prolonged pouts.

Let China deal with him. He's much more their problem than ours at the moment.

147 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:31:15pm

"But North Korea is a TINY country"

channeling BHO

148 brookly red  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:31:29pm

re: #144 debutaunt

Three fake voters go into a bar...

...which one was dead?

149 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:31:30pm

re: #142 albusteve

I would not drink with you if I was dying of thirst....well maybe in that one case

how about if he's dying of thirst and we sit there drinking beer?

150 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:31:39pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

Yes, that was the new ALSO (Agency for Little Signs in Orange). They have a staff of 3000 making signs.

And they work overtime to produce them for our roads in Illinois.

/Two seasons: Snow and Construction.

151 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:31:42pm

re: #144 debutaunt

Three fake voters go into a bar...

twice.

152 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:32:44pm
153 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:32:50pm

re: #148 brookly red

...which one was dead?

In the middle, silly.

154 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:32:51pm

re: #117 avanti

If they don't, they certainly can feel free to do something. After all, the bully is in their back yard, and were the cop 6000 miles away.

A-HA! No true "liberal" ever proposes self-defense!

/

155 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:33:07pm

re: #141 opnion

Yeah, the Korean War was a meat grinder. NK has good troops & the weather can be brutal.
One difference this tme is that the ROK troops are much better, but a land war would be awfully tough.

think Okinawa x 10

156 zombie  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:33:49pm

re: #111 Hawaii69

As for them being crazy? Crazy for atttention and relevance maybe. Not crazy for self destruction.

The main problem is how people in the U.S., including our policy-makers, "analyze" the "psychology" of North Korea as if it was an individual -- a petulant, demanding little toddler who has grabbed daddy's pistol as is stomping around the house throwing a tantrum.

This wrong-headed framework for our dealings with North Korea, in which we see its actions as "a cry for help" or "trying to increase its bargaining power" or "just wanting a bit of attention on the world stage" is why we have not successfully dealt with them yet.

North Korea is not an individual, and it does not have the "psychology" of an individual. International relations is not a therapy session for manic-depressive nations.

We have to assume that everything they do is serious, and every statement they make must be taken at face value. And once we do that, we realize this is not a game anymore -- we need to neutralize them, and now.

Not only do I not care what the psychology of North Korea is, I think that's a fundamentally flawed way to approach our relationship with them.

You threaten us? You build nukes and ICBMs? That's it. Playtime is over.

Time for North Korea to go beddy-bye.

157 jcm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:33:50pm

re: #141 opnion

Yeah, the Korean War was a meat grinder. NK has good troops & the weather can be brutal.
One difference this tme is that the ROK troops are much better, but a land war would be awfully tough.

The Norks, from what we can tell have standing go orders if we try or succeed in a decap strike.

The have programmed targets and attack plans, the are positively held back, if their hold orders aren't' renewed or they lose comms with HQ they are supposed to launch.

We on the other hand don't go until positive orders are received and confirmed.

158 Wild Knight  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:34:09pm

Oh goody. A thread to play havoc with my blood pressure and stress. Still, I asked for it myself. The NORKs have even invaded my dreams, turning pleasant fantasies (ahem) into nightmares. Thanks Charles. Do keep us informed. The MSM seems to treat these guys with nothing better than polite incredulity.

159 avanti  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:34:15pm

re: #140 debutaunt

Is our defense plan based on wishful thinking?

Nope, realistic assessments of the risk.

1. Do they have a delivery system ?
2. Have they learned to downsize a warhead.
3. Can they fit a war head to the missile and guide it to the target.

So far they don't have even have number 1.
Given the limited optioned that don't risk a attack on South Korea, we'll wait a bit.

160 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:34:31pm

re: #149 redc1c4

how about if he's dying of thirst and we sit there drinking beer?

now that's just cold ?!

161 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:35:10pm

re: #141 opnion

Yeah, the Korean War was a meat grinder. NK has good troops & the weather can be brutal.
One difference this tme is that the ROK troops are much better, but a land war would be awfully tough.

They are starving to death and have been under the heel of a scumbag their entire life. They would put up a fight, but the South and the US would go through the Norks like a hot knife through butter. It is the initial artillery and missile barrage the North could mount that would inflict the most causalities. After that, it would the destruction of the NK Airforce, Navy and then Army. The South could probably beat them on their own, but the US would enter that fray fast and TIME would be ticking if any actual shooting starts. It would a massive air campaign from our side.

They cannot mass their army once the shooting starts, unless of course, they just love to be blown to bits by our Air Force.

162 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:35:43pm

re: #159 avanti

Nope, realistic assessments of the risk.

1. Do they have a delivery system ?
2. Have they learned to downsize a warhead.
3. Can they fit a war head to the missile and guide it to the target.

So far they don't have even have number 1.
Given the limited optioned that don't risk a attack on South Korea, we'll wait a bit.


How about Iran?

163 brookly red  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:36:20pm

re: #153 debutaunt

In the middle, silly.

oh yeah, the dragging feet... that's why I'm not a poll watcher.

164 opnion  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:36:38pm

re: #155 albusteve

think Okinawa x 10

Yeah, we have 15,000 American troops at the DMZ as a trip wire.
Trip wire ? An invasion of the South is the one real credible threat that NK has. They have already rejected the original Armistice.

165 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:36:40pm

re: #161 Desert Dog

They are starving to death and have been under the heel of a scumbag their entire life. They would put up a fight, but the South and the US would go through the Norks like a hot knife through butter. It is the initial artillery and missile barrage the North could mount that would inflict the most causalities. After that, it would the destruction of the NK Airforce, Navy and then Army. The South could probably beat them on their own, but the US would enter that fray fast and TIME would be ticking if any actual shooting starts. It would a massive air campaign from our side.

They cannot mass their army once the shooting starts, unless of course, they just love to be blown to bits by our Air Force.

maybe...that's what Hitler thought about Stalingrad

166 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:36:55pm

re: #106 zombie

Whew -- when I see "designed to reach the U.S.," I'm thinkin' Seattle or San Francisco. Not quite as serious as I first imagined, but still not good -- especially if you live on Guam or the Aleutians.

I still say we are being bullied around by a paper tiger, and that North Korean could be liberated extremely rapidly, within a matter of days, with a well-planned assault.

Or, we could just sit back and let North Korea spread nuclear weapons to rogue states and terror groups all over the globe for the next 20 years, and then watch as civilization is replaced by a large mushroom farm.

If Kimmy wanted a war with the US, he wouldn't be dicking around building long-range ICBMs. All he has to do is order a march on South Korea, and our troops stationed there will trigger our mutual defense obligations instantly. We have extensive treaty obligations with South Korea to come to their aid in just such event. He could accomplish much the same thing, for similar reasons, by attacking Japan.

He knows this. A war would be easy to bring about. He doesn't want a war; he wants cash. Our official response to his latest tantrum ought to be "Sorry, did you hear something?" followed by continuing the conversation with whoever we were talking to.

167 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:36:56pm

Why wait for them to prove they have the technology they threaten to use? If they launch a puppy on an ICBM and tell us they are demonstrating their ability to reach US territory with nuclear arms then we should introduce said ICBM to the nearest anti-missile system when the countdown reaches 2... 1... boom!

168 callahan23  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:36:58pm

re: #156 zombie

... North Korea is not an individual, and it does not have the "psychology" of an individual. International relations is not a therapy session for manic-depressive nations.

We have to assume that everything they do is serious, and every statement they make must be taken at face value. And once we do that, we realize this is not a game anymore -- we need to neutralize them, and now. .....

Spot on.

169 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:36:59pm

OT: Things you thought you'd never see posted at Dkos.....
Deployment Opportunities to Iraq/Afghanistan

Note also appeals to camaraderie, shared sacrifice and job experience. These are powerful to someone who has spent their life in or around people in uniform. People who deploy on these missions will work with the next generation of leadership for the military during a crucial period, and the work they do will be considered extremely important by their colleagues. If I didn't have small children, I would have to give serious consideration to going, even though I'm not a supporter of the policies implemented

170 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:37:12pm

re: #159 avanti

Nope, realistic assessments of the risk.

1. Do they have a delivery system ?
back of a tractor trailer truck at the border
2. Have they learned to downsize a warhead.
no need,, see the answer to #1
3. Can they fit a war head to the missile and guide it to the target.
again ,, see #1

So far they don't have even have number 1.
Given the limited optioned that don't risk a attack on South Korea, we'll wait a bit.

They don't have to have a delivery system that reaches Los Angeles for them to be a threat to US interests

171 tardis  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:37:18pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup

If N Korea is going to test a long range ICBM, it is only for one reason. They don't need a long range ICBM to hit S Korea or Japan. They don't have a space program . It's to hit US here in the USA. Shoot the dam thing outa the sky.

You may be denying NK of their inalienable right to have their own manned space program. This could be a peaceful rocket they are building in their quest to colonize Mars.

172 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:37:35pm

OT - but maybe we need a little humor...

Sacha Baron Cohen at the MTV awards and his unique entrance as his character Bruno...

The rapper was left fuming when Cohen - as his flamboyant fashionista alter-ego Bruno - descended from above dressed as an angel in a thong and landed head first right in his lap.

As he was lowered down, he appeared to get into difficulties, spinning upside down as he wailed: 'Argh, scheisse! Argh! My kugelsack! My kugelsack!

'The wire is trapped round! Help me! Let me down! One of the wires is trapped around my kugelsack!.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

173 opnion  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:37:47pm

re: #157 jcm

The Norks, from what we can tell have standing go orders if we try or succeed in a decap strike.

The have programmed targets and attack plans, the are positively held back, if their hold orders aren't' renewed or they lose comms with HQ they are supposed to launch.

We on the other hand don't go until positive orders are received and confirmed.

We have a situation.

174 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:37:53pm

All roads lead to China. Just like it did in the war. They own us and don't want a unified, western leaning Korean peninsula getting all gooey with Japan. If not for China they would have been one long ago. China wants the North and the South at the brink of war forever.

175 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:38:01pm

re: #156 zombie

When a crazy man is making death threats and taking potshots at you, the time for talking is over.

176 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:38:02pm
177 avanti  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:38:42pm

re: #162 debutaunt

How about Iran?

Maybe 2-5 years before a bomb, Israel takes out the Nuke facilities before that if they don't quit on their own .

178 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:38:53pm

re: #165 albusteve

maybe...that's what Hitler thought about Stalingrad

The reason Stalingrad was a defeat WAS Hitler.

No reason to take the city at all, except to poke Stalin.

It was neutralized with respect to being an obstacle, and could have been bypassed with minimal effort.

179 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:39:12pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

OT - but maybe we need a little humor...

Sacha Baron Cohen at the MTV awards and his unique entrance as his character Bruno...

The rapper was left fuming when Cohen - as his flamboyant fashionista alter-ego Bruno - descended from above dressed as an angel in a thong and landed head first right in his lap.

As he was lowered down, he appeared to get into difficulties, spinning upside down as he wailed: 'Argh, scheisse! Argh! My kugelsack! My kugelsack!

'The wire is trapped round! Help me! Let me down! One of the wires is trapped around my kugelsack!.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

I love this guy... (yea, I'm conversing with myself).

180 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:39:55pm

Don't know where, don't know when.

Youtube Video
181 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:40:21pm

re: #179 Walter L. Newton

Image: article-1189987-0529D128000005DC-606_634x449.jpg

182 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:40:32pm

re: #162 debutaunt

How about Iran?

That's what worries me. I believe Iran has Khan's designs for nukes small enough for missiles, and the Iranians and Norks are cooperating.

183 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:40:39pm
184 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:40:42pm

re: #177 avanti

Maybe 2-5 years before a bomb, Israel takes out the Nuke facilities before that if they don't quit on their own .

2-5 years? 1-7 years? Quit on their own?

185 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:40:53pm

re: #180 MandyManners

Don't know where, don't know when.


[Video]

I've never seen that movie. Any good?

186 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:41:02pm

re: #178 OldLineTexan

The reason Stalingrad was a defeat WAS Hitler.

No reason to take the city at all, except to poke Stalin.

It was neutralized with respect to being an obstacle, and could have been bypassed with minimal effort.

I know that...just saying Hitler wildly underestimated the timeframe and the bulldog defensive spirit of the Reds...a ground war with the Norks is not an option imo

187 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:41:19pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

Once you passed the same liquor store three times, it was pretty obvious.

/

188 Racer X  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:41:59pm

I've said this before.

This exercise by NK is not about a warhead capable of hitting America. It is about selling the technology to Terrorists.

189 Wild Knight  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:42:14pm

re: #125 jcm

The Norks are more fanatically than the Japanese in '45. They have been indoctrinated for generations now that we are planning just that and will fight tooth and nail down to the women and children.

They have a huge standing army. 1.1 million under arms, we have 1.4 million.

It would be a bloody affair, with a huge cost.

Apart from their fuckin' reserves (>7 million of the little bastards)

190 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:42:19pm

re: #157 jcm

The Norks, from what we can tell have standing go orders if we try or succeed in a decap strike.

The have programmed targets and attack plans, the are positively held back, if their hold orders aren't' renewed or they lose comms with HQ they are supposed to launch.

We on the other hand don't go until positive orders are received and confirmed.

They have a Soviet style military using Soviet era weapons. Their SAM's would be a little problem, but we would swat their air force out of the sky very quickly. The old style of cold war fighting is over. If they mass the troops, all that does is give us good targets. If they start lining up the tanks, we would know it before they could act. We have far, far superior weapons, training and technology. Think of the Republican Guard vs. an American armored division. It would be a massacre of epic proportions. This is the kind of war the US built up it's military for. The Norks would be decimated.

They have a many missiles and artillery pieces lined up. That would be the most damage they could do conventionally. Once they start shooting, they better start running because their will be some very large bombs and missiles heading straight for their positions.

They would have to go nuclear to stop it and, now that they have some weapons....guess what....they might.

191 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:42:21pm

re: #187 Ward Cleaver

Once you passed the same liquor store three times, it was pretty obvious.

/

and you KNOW the pilots wife was in the seat next to him saying "George, just pull over and ASK!"

192 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:42:23pm

re: #103 Dianna

As a commenter on a blog, I'll be glad to do either one. But if I were a policy maker, in Russia, the US, SK, or China?

I think you'd be taking optimistic outcomes into account, while preparing for pessimistic ones.

Which is exactly what all of them are doing.

What we pay them for.

Not to jump up and down like blogmonkeys or armchair strategists and call for actions that could only make things worse.

One of the things we may have learned from the Chinese (I hope) is to play the long game.

At any rate I trust the JCoS, the Pentagon, the CIA and Obama all together far more than TFK's prescriptions for this affair.

With all due respect to TFK.

193 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:42:44pm

No Dong.

194 brookly red  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:42:47pm

re: #188 Racer X

I've said this before.

This exercise by NK is not about a warhead capable of hitting America. It is about selling the technology to Terrorists.

or just a shakedown.

195 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:42:58pm
196 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:43:05pm

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, those inherited problems. They just keep plaguing the Organizer in Chief.

Another distraction!

197 solomonpanting  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:43:09pm

re: #70 Nevergiveup

Just shot it down!

Can't do that. That would be a pre-emptive strike. Must wait until we're hit.

BTW, see here for distances between Korea and anywhere.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:43:12pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Is it notable that they'd have to shoot their missile over China and Russia to get it to Alaska? Doin' the google earth thingy, looks like that's the way it'd need to go.

199 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:43:18pm

Easiest way to deal with the Nork army.

Show them what a fully developed Nuclear weapon system can do.

200 avanti  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:43:43pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When a crazy man is making death threats and taking potshots at you, the time for talking is over.

Then get a conservative voted in that will wage war on both Iran and Korea, nothing like 4 wars at one time to feed the John Wayne's on the right. I can tell you, BHO will not start a war until Gates and the military tell him he needs to.

201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:01pm

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

Okay Walter. That was satire, right? Farce?

202 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:14pm

re: #187 Ward Cleaver

Liquor stores would have been a relief. I think it was a 12 or 14 hour flight with very undisciplined children running around.

203 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:17pm

re: #194 brookly red

or just a shakedown.

"Send me more ruxury cars!"

204 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #183 Iron Fist

Our air war would be murder. On a wholesale level. Seoul would be fucked (the Norks have a lot of artilery), but we would own the skies completely. Does North Korea even have an air force? According to Wiki they do, but they are barely feeding their pilots. expecting them to go up against the US would be suicide as surely as though they'd put a shotgun in their mouth and pulled the trigger.

The pride of US power is of no effect with this administration. I've read some comments in this thread that make sense. Show US power to the aggressors. Sadly, it ain't gonna happen with Obamaness as Commander in Chief.

205 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:22pm

re: #80 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry.
I shoulda remembered it's cheesey.

Gouda one!

206 tardis  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:34pm

re: #159 avanti

Nope, realistic assessments of the risk.

1. Do they have a delivery system ?
2. Have they learned to downsize a warhead.
3. Can they fit a war head to the missile and guide it to the target.

So far they don't have even have number 1.
Given the limited optioned that don't risk a attack on South Korea, we'll wait a bit.

They could always stick it in a shipping container and send it over on a slow boat. It wouldnt be as destructive at sea level in a harbor, but in the port of Los Angeles or elsewhere on the west coast it would be a horror.

And of course they might sell it to one of their friends who don't like us very much and let them do the shipping.

207 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:43pm

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

I've never seen that movie. Any good?

OMG! You MUST rent it or make time to watch it as soon as possible. An American classic.

George C. Scott thought it was his best performance, from what I understand. It was certainly memorable.

208 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:49pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Liquor stores would have been a relief. I think it was a 12 or 14 hour flight with very undisciplined children running around.

wow ,, advocating child drinking !

///

209 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:49pm

re: #200 avanti

Then get a conservative voted in that will wage war on both Iran and Korea, nothing like 4 wars at one time to feed the John Wayne's on the right. I can tell you, BHO will not start a war until Gates and the military tell him he needs to.

OBAMA UNDER CONTROL OF GATES, MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

/headline class

210 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:44:58pm

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it notable that they'd have to shoot their missile over China and Russia to get it to Alaska?


That's interesting.

211 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:45:09pm

re: #200 avanti

Then get a conservative voted in that will wage war on both Iran and Korea, nothing like 4 wars at one time to feed the John Wayne's on the right. I can tell you, BHO will not start a war until Gates and the military tell him he needs to.

Or until a few cities get nuked, whichever comes first.

212 Wild Knight  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:45:23pm

I hate this midget bastard...

213 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:45:44pm

re: #200 avanti

Then get a conservative voted in that will wage war on both Iran and Korea, nothing like 4 wars at one time to feed the John Wayne's on the right. I can tell you, BHO will not start a war until even if Gates and the military tell him he needs to.

FTFY

214 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:45:57pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

My mom denies it but I think she gave me downers once on a flight when I was a kid.

215 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:46:01pm

re: #212 Wild Knight

I hate this midget bastard...

Now, now. That does not sound like a dialogue to me.

/

216 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:46:02pm

re: #212 Wild Knight

I hate this midget bastard...

Little person bastard.

/kindler, gentler

217 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:46:07pm

re: #200 avanti

Then get a conservative voted in that will wage war on both Iran and Korea, nothing like 4 wars at one time to feed the John Wayne's on the right. I can tell you, BHO will not start a war until Gates and the military tell him he needs to.

Thank you Neville Chamberlain!

218 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:46:18pm

re: #165 albusteve

maybe...that's what Hitler thought about Stalingrad

Hilter maybe...his generals knew the scoop. The Soviets had better tanks and ALOT more soldiers...and a willingness to use them as fodder.

If the Korean peninsula breaks out in war again, it will not be like last time. It will be short and very bloody. It would also result in the destruction of the North Korean military. It would probably go nuclear, unless our guys could stop deployment.

We have every military and command and control center in that country mapped out. The Norks could do some serious damage along the border and with their missiles, but it would be a one time shot. After that, they better dig in for probably the largest aerial bombardment in the history of the world.

219 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:46:26pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

My mom denies it but I think she gave me downers once on a flight when I was a kid.

Nyquil is worth its weight in gold.

/or so I have heard

220 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:46:51pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

My mom denies it but I think she gave me downers once on a flight when I was a kid.

ahh ,, NOW I understand you better!

Risidual affect !

////

221 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:47:08pm

re: #200 avanti

Then get a conservative voted in that will wage war on both Iran and Korea, nothing like 4 wars at one time to feed the John Wayne's on the right. I can tell you, BHO will not start a war until Gates and the military tell him he needs to.

Seems to me, the war is already started. I'm sure the harshly worded letters Barry has prepared will do the trick.

/

222 Mithrax  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:47:20pm

Something I don't know, and can't really find:

Does NK have chem weapons?

223 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:47:32pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

My mom denies it but I think she gave me downers once on a flight when I was a kid.

Go upstairs and ask her.

LOL!

Just kidding!

(really)

224 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:47:40pm

OT GM is now Government Motors.

225 lobo91  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:47:54pm

re: #222 Mithrax

Something I don't know, and can't really find:

Does NK have chem weapons?

Yes.

226 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:47:54pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

My mom denies it but I think she gave me downers once on a flight when I was a kid.

My generation,,,, the "downer" mom or dad gave was a whack on the butt

Calmed me down EVERY time!

227 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:47:59pm

re: #220 sattv4u2

Heh, Now she wouldn't give me downers no matter how much I begged.

228 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:48:03pm

I would reply to that "blogmonkey" crack, but I am busy picking fleas out of my belly fur and eating them.

/

229 solomonpanting  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:48:38pm
Lee Sang-hyun, director of the Security Studies Program at the Sejong Institute in Seoul, said the North's moves were calculated to get international attention.
"North Korea wants to become a full nuclear state, then negotiate," he said.

Any false steps could lead it to becoming a nuked state.

230 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:49:03pm

Religion of free speech....
Journalists Traveling With Obama Warned By Saudis: Report Only On Obama Or Else

TIME's Michael Scherer, who will be accompanying President Obama on his trip to Saudi Arabia Tuesday, reports that he has been warned by the U.S. State Department that, while in Saudi Arabia, he is not to report on anything except the President's visit lest he "risk arrest and detention by Saudi authorities."

231 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:49:16pm

re: #228 OldLineTexan

I would reply to that "blogmonkey" crack, but I am busy picking fleas out of my belly fur and eating them.

/

I already got all of mine and am now working on my dog!

232 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:49:19pm
233 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:49:20pm

re: #226 sattv4u2

My generation,,,, the "downer" mom or dad gave was a whack on the butt

Calmed me down EVERY time!


It just wasn't a family vacation without my dad swinging his arm behind the seat rest trying to hit one of us in the backseat.

234 CEQAttorney  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:49:24pm

I'm confused. Why is North Korea threatening the United States. After all, President Obama has said he would not weaponize space. He will seek deep cuts in our nuclear arsenal. He will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

Shouldn't that resolve all our problems?

235 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:49:38pm

Japan is NOT happy about this situation either and I have no Illusions about that the JSDF is preparing a strike against the Norks if the island is threatened, pacisists in the diet be damned

236 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:49:57pm
237 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:50:29pm
238 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:50:35pm

re: #216 Ward Cleaver

Youtube Video

Maybe we could recruit the little guy in this vid to take on the Nork tyrant. Nice right hand!

239 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:50:35pm
240 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:50:45pm

re: #233 redstateredneck

It just wasn't a family vacation without my dad swinging his arm behind the seat rest trying to hit one of us in the backseat.

Mom had a coathanger, but it didn't reach all the way to the tailgate of that giant Pontiac stationwagon.

241 avanti  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:50:48pm

re: #211 Ward Cleaver

Or until a few cities get nuked, whichever comes first.

OK, I'm too reluctant to commit blood and treasury for more wars right now, so I'll leave you guys at it. If you truly believe we are about to be nuked, I'd still leave it to the experts to decide when we start one or two more wars.
Back to work for now.

242 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:50:57pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

This is going to fit in well with the "Obama silences Stimulus criticism" thing.

243 solomonpanting  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:50:58pm

re: #228 OldLineTexan

I would reply to that "blogmonkey" crack, but I am busy picking fleas out of my belly fur and eating them.

/

Save some for a later time. That would be your navel reserve.

244 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:51:14pm

re: #219 OldLineTexan

Nyquil is worth its weight in gold.

/or so I have heard

Well, it used to be .....

then they removed the pseudoephedrine and alcohol .... now it's just green juice.

245 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:51:14pm

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Seems to me, the war is already started. I'm sure the harshly worded letters Barry has prepared will do the trick.

/

Just give them what they want and they will stop.

/channeling Nevil Chamberlain

246 CEQAttorney  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:51:28pm

re: #53 MrSilverDragon

The shortest route would be a tesseract... but they haven't figured out how to do that yet.

I'm holding out for a Warp Drive.

247 jcm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:51:47pm

re: #190 Desert Dog

They have a Soviet style military using Soviet era weapons. Their SAM's would be a little problem, but we would swat their air force out of the sky very quickly. The old style of cold war fighting is over. If they mass the troops, all that does is give us good targets. If they start lining up the tanks, we would know it before they could act. We have far, far superior weapons, training and technology. Think of the Republican Guard vs. an American armored division. It would be a massacre of epic proportions. This is the kind of war the US built up it's military for. The Norks would be decimated.

They have a many missiles and artillery pieces lined up. That would be the most damage they could do conventionally. Once they start shooting, they better start running because their will be some very large bombs and missiles heading straight for their positions.

They would have to go nuclear to stop it and, now that they have some weapons....guess what....they might.

I have no doubt we'd mop the floor with 'em.

I'm just saying it's going to be extraordinarily bloody. Like nothing since WWII.

The Nork Army will have to be wiped out. Nork civilian causalities will be in the millions. S. Korean military will take a huge hit, as will as civilians, into the million range. We'd likely lose a big chunk of our 35,000 troops that constitute the trip wire.

248 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #236 taxfreekiller

All Obama knows is the Chicago way, North Korea is not Chicago, or a debate club deal.

But while in Chicago the Obamas often had "date nights" that included Asian cuisine,, so you see he IS an expert on the region

It's called IHOP diplomacy!

249 brookly red  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:52:09pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Religion of free speech....
Journalists Traveling With Obama Warned By Saudis: Report Only On Obama Or Else

Journalists Traveling With Obama Warned By SaudisObama: Report Only On Me Or Else

250 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:52:16pm

re: #218 Desert Dog

Hilter maybe...his generals knew the scoop. The Soviets had better tanks and ALOT more soldiers...and a willingness to use them as fodder.

If the Korean peninsula breaks out in war again, it will not be like last time. It will be short and very bloody. It would also result in the destruction of the North Korean military. It would probably go nuclear, unless our guys could stop deployment.

We have every military and command and control center in that country mapped out. The Norks could do some serious damage along the border and with their missiles, but it would be a one time shot. After that, they better dig in for probably the largest aerial bombardment in the history of the world.

my response was to the suggestion of invading and fighting the Norks set piece...of course that will not happen, but consider the casualties if the Norks went to ground and fought to the death...just a scenario...I don't see them as much of a military threat for more than a couple of weeks at best....anyway Stalin did not unleash his back up and new T 34s until the weather was frozen solid and his back was literally to the river...

251 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:52:17pm

re: #233 redstateredneck

It just wasn't a family vacation without my dad swinging his arm behind the seat rest trying to hit one of us in the backseat.

My dad cracked the dashboard of a Mercedes 220D (the one they used to use for taxis in Germany for their indestructibility) one time - pounding on it to make a point.

Scarier even than the fist flailing towards the back. That was easy to dodge.

For years I'd look at that crack and get a fear response in my adrenal system.

252 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:52:23pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Religion of free speech....
Journalists Traveling With Obama Warned By Saudis: Report Only On Obama Or Else


And with all their moralizing and high principles, THEY WILL OBEY.

253 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:52:30pm

re: #246 CEQAttorney

I'm holding out for a Warp Drive.

Yeah, but then you always have to divert all power from the shields and stuff.

/

254 vxbush  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:53:52pm

re: #253 OldLineTexan

Yeah, but then you always have to divert all power from the shields and stuff.

/

I think I'll wait for folding space. Easier on the ears.

/

255 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:53:56pm

re: #253 OldLineTexan

Yeah, but then you always have to divert all power from the shields and stuff.

/

As long as I get to "do" the green chic, who cares !?!?1

256 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:54:07pm

re: #240 OldLineTexan

Mom had a coathanger, but it didn't reach all the way to the tailgate of that giant Pontiac stationwagon.

Damn, we didn't get a stationwagon until we were older. Then it was, "Don't make me stop this g.d. car."

257 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:54:11pm

re: #238 ointmentfly

MAN! I don't want to fight that guy!

258 Mithrax  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:54:12pm

re: #254 vxbush

I think I'll wait for folding space. Easier on the ears.

/

Whenever I fold space, I get wrinkles in time.

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:54:31pm

re: #251 Cato the Elder

Dad only had one action. We believed if he stopped the car? One of us would die.

260 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:54:41pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

OT - but maybe we need a little humor...

Sacha Baron Cohen at the MTV awards and his unique entrance as his character Bruno...

The rapper was left fuming when Cohen - as his flamboyant fashionista alter-ego Bruno - descended from above dressed as an angel in a thong and landed head first right in his lap.

As he was lowered down, he appeared to get into difficulties, spinning upside down as he wailed: 'Argh, scheisse! Argh! My kugelsack! My kugelsack!

'The wire is trapped round! Help me! Let me down! One of the wires is trapped around my kugelsack!.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Walter, I saw that.
He landed with his near-naked behind right in the guy's face.
It was nasty, imo.

261 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:54:54pm

re: #258 Mithrax

Whenever I fold space, I get wrinkles in time.

Contact Billie Mays. I'm SURE he sells sumfin for that

262 lobo91  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:54:54pm

re: #222 Mithrax

Something I don't know, and can't really find:

Does NK have chem weapons?

North Korea’s chemical warfare program is believed to be mature and includes the capability, since 1989, to indigenously produce bulk quantities of nerve, blister, choking and blood chemical agents as well as a variety of different filled munitions systems. North Korea is believed to possess a sizable stockpile of chemical weapons, which could be employed in offensive military operations against the South. North Korea has also devoted considerable scarce resources to defensive measures aimed at protecting its civilian population and military forces from the effects of chemical weapons. Such measures include extensive training in the use of protective masks, suits, detectors, and decontamination systems. Though these measures are ostensibly focused on a perceived threat from U.S. and South Korean forces, they could also support the offensive use of chemical weapons by the North during combat. North Korea has yet to sign the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) and is not expected to do so in the near-term, due to intrusive inspection and verification requirements mandated by the agreement.

263 KenJen  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:55:38pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

And with all their moralizing and high principles, THEY WILL OBEY.

Why even bother making the trip? Obama and the Saudis can e-mail their reports to the journalists.

264 Summersong  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:55:47pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

MTV Movie Awards - I watched it. I still don't know whether it was setup or not. Also, some little klutz who won best actress dropped her award (and broke it) during her acceptance speech.

265 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:55:57pm

re: #3 Ben Hur

Don't tell me that home made missiles are suddenly something to worry about.

I wonder, are these NoKo missiles similar to those harmless missiles of desperation the oppressed people of Gaza like to "reach out" with?/

Probably fall harmlessly inot the sea. Nothing to worry about.

266 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:56:10pm

re: #253 OldLineTexan

Yeah, but then you always have to divert all power from the shields and stuff.

/

The Enterprise - designed by the people who brought you Amtrak.

267 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:56:25pm

re: #262 lobo91

wow ,,,, one bad mood by Kim and a stiff breeze blowing to the east could cause MAJOR havoc on Japan

268 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:56:26pm

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dad only had one action. We believed if he stopped the car? One of us would die.

A theory not to be tested.

269 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:56:34pm

re: #184 debutaunt

2-5 years? 1-7 years? Quit on their own?

Forget it. He's seriously deluded.

270 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:56:59pm
271 Kragar  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:57:07pm

re: #265 Kenneth

I wonder, are these NoKo missiles similar to those harmless missiles of desperation the oppressed people of Gaza like to "reach out" with?/

Probably fall harmlessly inot the sea. Nothing to worry about.

Obviously the Norks are just trying to become the world leaders in ballistic milk delivery technology.

272 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:57:08pm

re: #256 redstateredneck

Damn, we didn't get a stationwagon until we were older. Then it was, "Don't make me stop this g.d. car."

Dad bought a used '64 Pontiac Catalina "Gran Safari" in 1967 after my youngest brother was born, and we had it until 1976, when it was replaced by a Dodge Aspen wagon (a complete POS). The used '62 Falcon (purchased in 1964 to replace a '53 Mercury something-or-other) lasted until 1973 and a chocolate-brown 4-door Ford Maverick.

The last car was guaranteed chick repellent. I can get you signed testimonials to that.

273 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:58:02pm

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dad only had one action. We believed if he stopped the car? One of us would die.

For the fear factor, I was always partial to: "If you do not do "X" (or stop doing "x" as the case may be), you will be picking up your teeth with broken fingers."

274 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:58:07pm

re: #269 Kenneth

Forget it. He's seriously deluded.

Notice he never answerd my #170. He really lives in a pie in the sky "it'll never happen" world

275 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:58:37pm

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

But the journalists want some really good hummus.

We should send every female journalist we have, loaded up with bags and bags of pork rinds and bottles of Jack Daniels.....all wearing "CHRISTIANS AREN'T PERFECT, JUST FORGIVEN" t-shirts (tight ones)

276 Mithrax  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:58:41pm

re: #272 OldLineTexan


The last car was guaranteed chick repellent. I can get you signed testimonials to that.

When I was in grade school, the uniforms we had were a lovely shade of chocolate brown. Including the school gym uniforms.

We nicknamed our basketball team the "dribbling turds".

277 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:58:44pm

re: #250 albusteve

my response was to the suggestion of invading and fighting the Norks set piece...of course that will not happen, but consider the casualties if the Norks went to ground and fought to the death...

Why would Obama hang around for all that? That 'nation-building' crap is sooooo BusHitlerian.

The problem to us is the nukes. That's what we need to eliminate. Destroy the launch pads (ain't like those scuds on mobile launchers, we know where the pads are) and come back to the house.

The thought of millions of starving NKs streaming into China and SK just might concentrate some minds in that part of the planet.

278 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:59:00pm

re: #272 OldLineTexan

chocolate-brown 4-door Ford Maverick.

The last car was guaranteed chick repellent. I can get you signed testimonials to that.

I had a Maverick. I'm a chick. It repelled even me.

279 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:59:00pm

re: #275 Desert Dog

We should send every female journalist we have, loaded up with bags and bags of pork rinds and bottles of Jack Daniels.....all wearing "CHRISTIANS AREN'T PERFECT, JUST FORGIVEN" t-shirts (tight ones)

Wet t's as well.

280 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:59:28pm

re: #276 Mithrax

When I was in grade school, the uniforms we had were a lovely shade of chocolate brown. Including the school gym uniforms.

We nicknamed our basketball team the "dribbling turds".

I am so old, the basketball team still had shiny hot pants. In orange.

281 KenJen  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 1:59:46pm

Anyone know if Michelle is making the trip?

282 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:00:03pm

re: #279 Creeping Eruption

Wet t's as well.

Screw them. They get Helen Thomas, and NO "emergency bag".

/

283 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:00:24pm

re: #280 OldLineTexan

I am so old, the basketball team still had shiny hot pants. In orange.

Sounds like Hooters uniforms.

284 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:00:38pm

re: #275 Desert Dog

We should send every female journalist we have, loaded up with bags and bags of pork rinds and bottles of Jack Daniels.....all wearing "CHRISTIANS AREN'T PERFECT, JUST FORGIVEN" t-shirts (tight ones)

Helen Thomas! Mmmmmmm....
/

285 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:00:43pm

West coast EMP. Faraday cages should be in demand.

286 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:00:44pm

re: #281 KenJen

Anyone know if Michelle is making the trip?

Not if the Saudis are smart.

She doesn't look like she takes a lot of shit.

Yes, I am complimenting her.

287 Teh Flowah  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:00:59pm

Let them test it and watch it fall into the ocean, like always. And as always, it is simply another ploy. If you keep acting scared, it just gives him more power. They've been playing this game for over a decade, and they're good at it.

288 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:08pm

re: #282 OldLineTexan

Screw them. They get Helen Thomas, and NO "emergency bag".

/

She looks so much like a Camel it may have the same effect./

289 lobo91  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:13pm

re: #272 OldLineTexan

Dad bought a used '64 Pontiac Catalina "Gran Safari" in 1967 after my youngest brother was born, and we had it until 1976, when it was replaced by a Dodge Aspen wagon (a complete POS).

My grandparents had one of those Aspens. As I recall, it went through 2 engines and a transmission in the first year.

The government never should have bailed Chrysler out the first time...

290 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:14pm

re: #284 VegasRick

GMTA.

One of us should probably start worrying ...

291 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:15pm

re: #277 razorbacker

Why would Obama hang around for all that? That 'nation-building' crap is sooooo BusHitlerian.

The problem to us is the nukes. That's what we need to eliminate. Destroy the launch pads (ain't like those scuds on mobile launchers, we know where the pads are) and come back to the house.

The thought of millions of starving NKs streaming into China and SK just might concentrate some minds in that part of the planet.

I suggested exactly that list time around...I think we have every moral right to do it

292 Airedale  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:18pm

the good news is Kim has the nuke free zone of Berkely dialed in

293 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:25pm

Someone should (but won't) ask The One while he's over in Saudi, what he thinks about women being segregated in American retail outlets, like McDonalds.

Being forced to only enter through the back door and to stay in a back room away from the men.

That may remind him of something.

I know The One was a mere lad during Jim Crow, but it still may have some relevance, no?

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:35pm

re: #260 reine.de.tout

Eminem was not amused. Completely and totally and unequivocally not amused.

295 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:42pm

re: #224 midwestgak

OT GM is now Government Motors.

And their 2010 new model will be the Sinkhole.

296 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:01:42pm

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dad only had one action. We believed if he stopped the car? One of us would die.

I used to tell my younger siblings about 'Sam', the missing brother. He made Dad stop the car. Y'all don't remember Sam, do you?

Poor Sam.

297 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:02:11pm

re: #289 lobo91

My grandparents had one of those Aspens. As I recall, it went through 2 engines and a transmission in the first year.

The government never should have bailed Chrysler out the first time...

What's funny is that the drivetrain was the only thing on that vehicle that wasn't crap. When it was brand new, I spent two hours in the back with a screwdriver completing the interior assembly.

298 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:02:33pm

re: #284 VegasRick

Helen Thomas! Mmmmmmm....
/

That would not be very effect, as the Saudis would undoubted think she was a man.

299 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:02:34pm

re: #281 KenJen

Anyone know if Michelle is making the trip?

Maybe.

Window dressing.

You know, like how the BBC, CNN International ALWAYS send a FEMALE REPORTER to cover the Hajj?

300 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:02:44pm

re: #296 razorbacker

I used to tell my younger siblings about 'Sam', the missing brother. He made Dad stop the car. Y'all don't remember Sam, do you?

Poor Sam.

Now that made me laugh. Right out loud.

301 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:02:45pm

re: #290 OldLineTexan

GMTA.

One of us should probably start worrying ...

I think it's you.

302 solomonpanting  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:02:48pm

re: #295 Russkilitlover

And their 2010 new model will be the Sinkhole.

Or the all-new Impaled.

303 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:02:55pm

re: #294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Eminem was not amused. Completely and totally and unequivocally not amused.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!

It wasn't funny until I heard it happened to Marshall Blathers.

/

304 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:03:08pm

re: #297 OldLineTexan

What's funny is that the drivetrain was the only thing on that vehicle that wasn't crap. When it was brand new, I spent two hours in the back with a screwdriver completing the interior assembly.

Wouldn't you have had more fun spending 2 hours in the back with the hot cheerleader?

just sayin!

305 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:03:09pm
306 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:03:09pm

re: #278 redstateredneck

I had a Maverick. I'm a chick. It repelled even me.

I had a Maverick too. With that lovely green color.

307 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:03:51pm

re: #294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Eminem was not amused. Completely and totally and unequivocally not amused.

It was also staged.

The producers first approached Paris Hilton and she refused - weird, since she's used to ass crack in her face.

Eminem agreed, but didn't know how far it would go, I suspect.

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:04:03pm

re: #303 OldLineTexan

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!

It wasn't funny until I heard it happened to Marshall Blathers.

/

I know! Right?!

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:04:26pm

re: #307 Ben Hur

NOOOOOOOOOO!

310 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:04:30pm

re: #306 midwestgak

I had a Maverick too. With that lovely green color.

Mine was dark blue (the parts that weren't faded or rusted).

311 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:04:35pm

re: #278 redstateredneck

I had a Maverick. I'm a chick. It repelled even me.

haha!...you should see the little '70 my nephew drag races...the track babes love him to pieces

312 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:04:39pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Religion of free speech....
Journalists Traveling With Obama Warned By Saudis: Report Only On Obama Or Else


Silly Saudis! Did they think Obama's posse would report on anything else?

313 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:04:45pm

re: #306 midwestgak

I had a Maverick too. With that lovely green color.

The 70s. They had that on appliances as well. For some reason, people actually thought avacado green and harvest gold were good colors.

(Of course, bare stainless steel is just as damned ugly, IMHO.)

314 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:04:52pm

re: #295 Russkilitlover

And their 2010 new model will be the Sinkhole.

I have visions of the neo-Yugo coming out of the Chrysler and GM factories in the future.

315 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:04:58pm

Why does everybody think gov't owned car company is necessarily a disaster? That gov't owned mortgage bank worked out wonderfully!

316 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:05:03pm

re: #305 taxfreekiller

it only get worse the more you avoid the evil.
it only get worse the more you avoid the evil.
it only get worse the more you avoid the evil.


True, True, True.

317 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:05:16pm

"North Korea Readies Expensive Target for Live Test of U.S. Anti-Missile System"

There, fixed that for the world press.

What was that about cutting funding for those systems again? Paging the Unclencher of Fists, Mr. Obama....

318 CEQAttorney  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:05:17pm

re: #253 OldLineTexan

Yeah, but then you always have to divert all power from the shields and stuff.

/

Not if I activate the Flux Capacitor.

319 KenJen  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:05:37pm

re: #299 Ben Hur

Maybe.

Window dressing.

You know, like how the BBC, CNN International ALWAYS send a FEMALE REPORTER to cover the Hajj?

She's gonna have to hide her guns.

320 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:06:04pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

The didn't ask Bush about it, they certainly aren't going to ask Obama.

321 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:06:05pm

re: #311 albusteve

haha!...you should see the little '70 my nephew drag races...the track babes love him to pieces

Mine was a 70. Jeeze, no a/c. Three speed on the column. You had to go as fast as you could with the windows down and the vents open to keep from sticking to the vinyl seats.

322 lobo91  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:06:06pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

Someone should (but won't) ask The One while he's over in Saudi, what he thinks about women being segregated in American retail outlets, like McDonalds.

Being forced to only enter through the back door and to stay in a back room away from the men.

That may remind him of something.

I know The One was a mere lad during Jim Crow, but it still may have some relevance, no?

Obama never experienced any of that. He grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia, remember? I don't think he spent any significant time in the mainland US until college in the '80s, and even then, he wasn't in the south.

323 Racer X  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:06:16pm

re: #239 Iron Fist

Your boy Obama won't start a war, period. Anywhere, ever. That is part of the problem. He has sent the message that he can be pushed around. It doesn't matter what the US Air Force, Army, and Navy can do, he's not going to do it.

Biden had it almost right. Obama is going to be tested, and what he is going to do in response will be wrong. Full stop.

See, that there is the difference between Obama and McCain (or Bush). Everyone knows that Bush or McCain would be more than happy to send over the big guns on a moment's notice if they got pissed off. This was a deterrent to assholes.

Very soon we are going to realize that having an old grumpy guy with a hair trigger in the White House was not such a bad thing.

324 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:06:21pm

re: #307 Ben Hur

The producers first approached Paris Hilton and she refused - weird, since she's used to ass crack kugelsack in her face.

FTFY!

325 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:06:54pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

Wouldn't you have had more fun spending 2 hours in the back with the hot cheerleader?

just sayin!

Remember, the chocolate brown Maverick was in the same driveway.

/

326 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:07:27pm

re: #321 redstateredneck

Mine was a 70. Jeeze, no a/c. Three speed on the column. You had to go as fast as you could with the windows down and the vents open to keep from sticking to the vinyl seats.

his is street legal and runs in the 11.70s.....blazing fast

327 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:07:28pm

re: #320 Killgore Trout

The didn't ask Bush about it, they certainly aren't going to ask Obama.

*sigh*

They should've asked Bush.

They should ask Obama.

They sould ask whoever our President is at the time.

328 rightside  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:07:36pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

That's an excellent idea. Although no one in our media would have the testicular fortitude.

329 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:07:38pm

re: #287 Teh Flowah

Let them test it and watch it fall into the ocean, like always. And as always, it is simply another ploy. If you keep acting scared, it just gives him more power. They've been playing this game for over a decade, and they're good at it.

It's how they keep their economy running. A little extortion, some talks, pretend to shut down their nuke program if Uncle Sam ponies up with some food or financial aid, then "time to get back to work on our nukes".

330 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:07:40pm

re: #323 Racer X

Cheney.

A man so tough, he shot a lawyer in the face. And the lawyer apologized.

/

331 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #312 Russkilitlover

I'm guessing this is nothing new. I doubt the press corps under Bush or Clinton was allowed to roam the country actually reporting on stuff.

332 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:07:50pm

re: #307 Ben Hur

The producers first approached Paris Hilton and she refused - weird, since she's used to ass crack in her face.

Her indignation would not have been believable. Nobody is that good an actor.

333 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:07:56pm

re: #313 Honorary Yooper

The 70s. They had that on appliances as well. For some reason, people actually thought avacado green and harvest gold were good colors.

(Of course, bare stainless steel is just as damned ugly, IMHO.)

My brother had a Vega that was that puke green.

334 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:08:24pm

re: #327 Ben Hur

Agreed.

335 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:08:41pm

re: #320 Killgore Trout

The didn't ask Bush about it, they certainly aren't going to ask Obama.


It's an utter outrage that a US President would travel there to begin with.

Was Bush there?

336 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:09:00pm

re: #330 OldLineTexan

Cheney.

A man so tough, he shot a lawyer in the face. And the lawyer apologized.

/

That's good!

337 jcm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #323 Racer X

See, that there is the difference between Obama and McCain (or Bush). Everyone knows that Bush or McCain would be more than happy to send over the big guns on a moment's notice if they got pissed off. This was a deterrent to assholes.

Very soon we are going to realize that having an old grumpy guy with a hair trigger in the White House was not such a bad thing.

A little cowboy is a good thing.

When thugs worry about a POTUS going all cowboy on their ass, that's a very good thing!

Lil' Kim knows Obama has no cowboy, so push, push, push.

338 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #335 Ben Hur

It's an utter outrage that a US President would travel there to begin with.

Was Bush there?

OH wait.

That's where he danced with the sword.

My bad.

And the effen pic is on me B Board to my right!

339 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:09:20pm

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know! Right?!

I'm STILL laughing.

340 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:09:31pm

Closing bell. Dow +221
Ding ding ding

341 CEQAttorney  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:09:34pm

re: #266 SixDegrees

The Enterprise - designed by the people who brought you Amtrak.

It was built under a Naval Construction Contract. So, private Enterprise!

342 Racer X  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:09:42pm

re: #330 OldLineTexan

Cheney.

A man so tough, he shot a lawyer in the face. And the lawyer apologized.

/

LOL!

343 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:09:52pm

re: #336 VegasRick

It's stolen.

344 jcm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:10:03pm

re: #330 OldLineTexan

Cheney.

A man so tough, he shot a lawyer in the face. And the lawyer apologized.

/

ROFLMAO!

345 lobo91  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:10:06pm

re: #315 Kenneth

Why does everybody think gov't owned car company is necessarily a disaster? That gov't owned mortgage bank worked out wonderfully!

The Trabant was the pride of the Soviet bloc...

346 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:10:25pm

re: #320 Killgore Trout

The didn't ask Bush ANY President about it, they certainly aren't going to ask Obama.

time/ place. It's fine from here for us to denegrate the Saudis (and most of the mid easts) culture ansd mores, but bringing it up during a state visit is NOt the time/ place. Not only that if any President had brought it up nothing, absolutely NOTHING would change there except that President would automatically be thought less of (there).

That said, it would be perfectly okay for any president or admin official to express 'concern' for the practice from the confines of the USA

347 Racer X  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:10:26pm

Million Dollar Man needs a sense of humor.

348 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:10:35pm

re: #333 redstateredneck

My brother had a Vega that was that puke green.

A Vega is a step DOWN from a Maverick, IMO.

/

349 albusteve  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:10:39pm

re: #337 jcm

A little cowboy is a good thing.

When thugs worry about a POTUS going all cowboy on their ass, that's a very good thing!

Lil' Kim knows Obama has no cowboy, so push, push, push.

he's not even a decent cowgirl...more of a fairy princess type guy

350 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:11:07pm

re: #343 OldLineTexan

It's stolen.

Did you scratch off the serial number?

351 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:11:16pm

re: #348 OldLineTexan

A Vega is a step DOWN from a Maverick, IMO.

/


Yeah, but his was new when he got it and mine was 8 years old.

352 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:11:21pm

re: #313 Honorary Yooper

The 70s. They had that on appliances as well. For some reason, people actually thought avacado green and harvest gold were good colors.

(Of course, bare stainless steel is just as damned ugly, IMHO.)

avocado green and harvest gold were the ONLY decorative colors, if I recall correctly.

And I agree with you on the stainless steel.

353 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:11:45pm

re: #351 redstateredneck

Yeah, but his was new when he got it and mine was 8 years old.

I bet his lasted him exactly 3 years before it broke down.

354 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:11:48pm

re: #327 Ben Hur

gmta ,,, my 346,,, you got to the point more succinctly than I , thanks

355 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:11:49pm

re: #321 redstateredneck

Three speed on the column.

:::Flashback:::: to my 1968 lime green Dodge Dart.

Good times man...

356 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:11:59pm

re: #330 OldLineTexan

Cheney.

A man so tough, he shot a lawyer in the face. And the lawyer apologized.

/

ROFL. I hadn't heard that one before...

357 Gus  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:12:13pm

The article says the missile will have a range of 4,000 miles. Given the acceleration of their missile program here are a couple of distance to keep in mind:

North Korea to Hawaii: 4,715 miles

North Korea to Seattle, WA: 5,056 miles

358 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:12:21pm

re: #350 VegasRick

Did you scratch off the serial number?

CRAP!

/sanding

359 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:12:25pm

re: #352 reine.de.tout

avocado green and harvest gold were the ONLY decorative colors, if I recall correctly.

And I agree with you on the stainless steel.

Wasn't there a burnt orange color? Hey, I used my avocado green Rival crock pot up until about a year ago.

360 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:12:40pm

re: #347 Racer X

Million Dollar Man needs a sense of humor.

All ding, no comment.

361 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:13:07pm

re: #353 reine.de.tout

I bet his lasted him exactly 3 years before it broke down.

He got lucky. Sold it the week before the engine blew.

362 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:13:09pm

re: #358 OldLineTexan

CRAP!

/sanding

It's yours now!

363 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:13:38pm

Don't worry about the quality of Obama's military advice ... he is being advised by jimmy carter and carter's top foreign policy "fucker upper" zbig brzezenski (sp). What could fucking go wrong?

364 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:13:49pm

Was digging my bunker
struck a vein of sand
now just gonna join 'em
maybe get rich, too
maybe a gov't position
just assume the position

365 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:14:06pm

re: #357 Gus 802

The article says the missile will have a range of 4,000 miles. Given the acceleration of their missile program here are a couple of distance to keep in mind:

North Korea to Hawaii: 4,715 miles

North Korea to Seattle, WA: 5,056 miles

Yupper, the progression is not reassuring.

366 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:14:30pm

re: #361 redstateredneck

He got lucky. Sold it the week before the engine blew.

LOL!
I got lucky with mine too.
found someone who actually wanted to buy it after the engine blew.

367 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:14:38pm

Gotta run reports.
Later, lizards!

368 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:14:38pm

Two reactions: We need missile defense in Poland and Czech Republic stat. And I still advocate for depopulating North Korean peacefully by permitting North Korean refugees to escape, and harboring them in multiple countries by international agreement.

369 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:14:53pm

re: #325 OldLineTexan

Remember, the chocolate brown Maverick was in the same driveway.

/

Funny. No matter the drab colors of the Maverick, they sold. It started, it ran, it stopped, it parked over and over and over. Had it been a lemon (Gremlin) no color on the planet would have made it successful.

370 Gus  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:15:06pm

re: #365 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yupper, the progression is not reassuring.

Not at all.

371 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:15:08pm

re: #313 Honorary Yooper

The 70s. They had that on appliances as well. For some reason, people actually thought avacado green and harvest gold were good colors.

(Of course, bare stainless steel is just as damned ugly, IMHO.)

The last time I got dragged through an antique mall, there was a vendor with a room full of avocado-green-only stuff from the 70's. Mainly dishware, and I think some small appliances also, but there was no mistaking the era from which these objects came.

My neighbors had goldenrod-colored carpet when I was a kid (early 80's, our neighborhood was built in the mid-70's)

372 Rednek  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:15:43pm

If ANWAR is worth preserving then protecting the Aleutians from nukes must register a tick or two on the worry meter.

373 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:16:06pm

re: #368 quickjustice

Two reactions: We need missile defense in Poland and Czech Republic stat. And I still advocate for depopulating North Korean peacefully by permitting North Korean refugees to escape, and harboring them in multiple countries by international agreement.

I'll take 3, 25 - 45 year old females.

374 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:16:10pm

re: #372 Rednek

If ANWAR is worth preserving then protecting the Aleutians from nukes must register a tick or two on the worry meter.

Who cares, they'll only kill Sarah Palin.

/the left

375 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:16:13pm

re: #359 redstateredneck

Wasn't there a burnt orange color? Hey, I used my avocado green Rival crock pot up until about a year ago.

Indeed. My parents weren't trendy people, but they had fiberglass curtains with a groovy geometric pattern in brown, tan, and burnt orange on a cream background. Our appliances were basic white and our carpet was decidedly non-shag because the house was built and decorated in 1959. The only really egregious thing they did was install paneling in every room except the kitchen and bathrooms.

376 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:16:30pm

re: #370 Gus 802

Not at all.

30+ miles south is not far enough away, and I don't want to see moonbats incinerated by a tyrannical thug.

377 callahan23  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:16:37pm

re: #331 Killgore Trout

I'm guessing this is nothing new. I doubt the press corps under Bush or Clinton was allowed to roam the country actually reporting on stuff.

I had a stopover in Saudi once.
All western media and definitely all women's depictions had to be locked away before landing. All that effort and we were not even disembarking while refueling.
Some of their filthy-creepy modesty-police then roamed our plane to make sure no western culture ie. nudity and women's depictions were on display.
Yuck.
I'll make a point of never visiting that place ever again.

378 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:16:41pm

re: #328 rightside

That's an excellent idea. Although no one in our media would have the testicular fortitude.

Then they would have to admit that Muslim countries, although they may be anti-American, are not very pro-female. It would confusle the heck out of them.

379 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:17:28pm

re: #371 Pawn of the Oppressor

The last time I got dragged through an antique mall, there was a vendor with a room full of avocado-green-only stuff from the 70's. Mainly dishware, and I think some small appliances also, but there was no mistaking the era from which these objects came.

My neighbors had goldenrod-colored carpet when I was a kid (early 80's, our neighborhood was built in the mid-70's)

I remember my first kitchen. "Harvest gold" fridge and oven, dark walnut cabinets. I tell my kids that was all we had, back in the day.

380 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:17:38pm

re: #368 quickjustice

Two reactions: We need missile defense in Poland and Czech Republic stat. And I still advocate for depopulating North Korean peacefully by permitting North Korean refugees to escape, and harboring them in multiple countries by international agreement.

How do you accomplish that? On one border is China and THEY decide which Norks are permitted to enter. On the other border is South korea, but the Nork military doesn't let civvies cross there. The 3rd "border" is the sea. long swim to Japan!

381 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:17:48pm

re: #348 OldLineTexan

A Vega is a step DOWN from a Maverick, IMO.

/

Let's see. I went out in college with a girl who had a yellow Pinto.
That's where I learned to drive a standard; my family had all automatics.

Then in grad school, I went out with a girl with a gold Gremlin.

My parents had a Chevy Nova.

382 Gus  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:18:30pm

re: #376 FurryOldGuyJeans

30+ miles south is not far enough away, and I don't want to see moonbats incinerated by a tyrannical thug.

30 miles? Then it would depend on winds and the ensuing fallout. South would be a little better since I assume the fallout would typically drift from west to east.

383 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #377 callahan23

I had a stopover in Saudi once.
All western media and definitely all women's depictions had to be locked away before landing. All that effort and we were not even disembarking while refueling.
Some of their filthy-creepy modesty-police then roamed our plane to make sure no western culture ie. nudity and women's depictions were on display.
Yuck.
I'll make a point of never visiting that place ever again.

Years ago one of my dad's co-workers told him a story about not being able to bring Craftsman tools into Saudi because Sears was owned by a Jew. I can't say if that story is true or not, but it sure sounds truthy.

384 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:19:05pm

re: #379 Alouette

I remember my first kitchen. "Harvest gold" fridge and oven, dark walnut cabinets. I tell my kids that was all we had, back in the day.

My first apartment after I was married in 1985 had a pink wall oven and cooktop, as well as pink countertops. I kind of dug it, actually.

385 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:19:16pm

re: #378 Russkilitlover

Then they would have to admit that Muslim countries, although they may be anti-American, are not very pro-female. It would confusle the heck out of them.

Fo Shizzle!

386 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:19:17pm

re: #372 Rednek

If ANWAR is worth preserving then protecting the Aleutians from nukes must register a tick or two on the worry meter.

saving polar bears goes against the plan
all laid out before us
bears served their purpose
the new game's afoot
with a lie in each paragraph
of the telepromter's reflection

We have assumed control

387 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:19:52pm

re: #352 reine.de.tout

avocado green and harvest gold were the ONLY decorative colors, if I recall correctly.

And I agree with you on the stainless steel.

Ahhh Stainless Steel, the new avacado.

388 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:20:03pm

re: #384 doppelganglander

My first apartment after I was married in 1985 had a pink wall oven and cooktop, as well as pink countertops. I kind of dug it, actually.

hubby must have been THRILLED!

389 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:20:21pm

re: #345 lobo91

The Trabant was the pride of the Soviet bloc...

HA! Trabants are for the little people! I want a Zil!

[Link: digilander.libero.it...]

390 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:20:35pm

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

Years ago one of my dad's co-workers told him a story about not being able to bring Craftsman tools into Saudi because Sears was owned by a Jew. I can't say if that story is true or not, but it sure sounds truthy.

All they deserve are stone-age tools unless they want to move to the current millenium.

391 Gus  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:20:52pm

A look at North Korea's missile arsenal

By The Associated Press – 2 days ago
A look at North Korea's missile arsenal:

_ ADVANCED TAEPODONG-2: Under development. Potential range of about 5,000 miles (8,000 kilometers), putting the U.S. west coast, Hawaii, Australia and eastern Europe within striking distance. North Korea says this, and all Taepdong missiles, are launch vehicles for satellites, though satellite and missile technologies are considered interchangeable.

This missile would be within range of Hawaii at 4,715 miles.

392 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:20:57pm

re: #389 Truck Monkey

HA! Trabants are for the little people! I want a Zil!

[Link: digilander.libero.it...]

get ready- your new model is on the way

393 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:21:00pm

re: #369 midwestgak

Funny. No matter the drab colors of the Maverick, they sold. It started, it ran, it stopped, it parked over and over and over. Had it been a lemon (Gremlin) no color on the planet would have made it successful.

If you remember, those Mavericks were built on the same platform and used much of the running gear of....the Mighty Ford Falcon!

Another cheap POS car whose single virtue was that it started, and ran, and stopped over and over.

Not much of a looker, though. And absolutely nothing said 'young man on the rise' like pulling up in a Falcon.

394 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:21:01pm

re: #382 Gus 802

30 miles? Then it would depend on winds and the ensuing fallout. South would be a little better since I assume the fallout would typically drift from west to east.

I would prefer to not have to consider winds and such. I prefer worrying about Mount Rainier destroying Western Washington with an eruption to a tyrannical thug like Kim.

395 rightside  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:21:46pm

re: #378 Russkilitlover

Well, it's simply none of our business how they run their country, we shouldn't judge them.

/useful idiot.

396 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:21:55pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

hubby must have been THRILLED!

He picked it out! He was in the Navy and we needed a short-term lease on a furnished apartment close to the base. He rented it before we were married so I didn't see it until it was too late (although he did tell me about it before he signed the lease). Mr. Doppel is very secure in his masculinity.

397 Gus  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:22:11pm

re: #394 FurryOldGuyJeans

I would prefer to not have to consider winds and such. I prefer worrying about Mount Rainier destroying Western Washington with an eruption to a tyrannical thug like Kim.

I hear you. The TAEPODONG-2 which is under development puts Hawaii within range of the NORKS.

398 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:22:16pm

re: #377 callahan23


All that effort and we were not even disembarking while refueling.
Some of their filthy-creepy modesty-police then roamed our plane to make sure no western culture ie. nudity and women's depictions were on display.
Yuck.


Wow, how strange. I've never been there and don't have any desire to go. Aside Mecca there's nothing interesting there that I want to see and that city's off limits to infidels.

399 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:22:17pm

china uses n. korea to taunt us. they could make kim go away in 5 seconds if they wanted to. china is using nk to test BHO. He better pass this test or we are on the road to "screwed." china is so smart. they don't want to confront us directly, so they use their proxy. and our media has very little understanding of that dynamic.


isn't it obvious?

400 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:22:36pm

re: #373 VegasRick

I dated a Korean lady briefly. Very nice.

401 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:22:53pm

re: #345 lobo91

The Trabant was the pride of the Soviet bloc...

Actually, it was the joke of the Soviet Bloc. Even they knew the Trabant had outlived its usefulness.

The Trabant was actually based on a pre-WWII design by a German company, DKW (part of the Auto Union). DKW itself was a pioneer in small front-wheel drive cars with tranversely mounted engines (this should sound familiar since most cars today are this format). When Germany was split after the war, DKW got stuck with factories on both sides of the line. The eastern ones were nationalized and became the production center for the Trabant. For the time period (mid-late 1950s), the Trabant actually was a fairly advanced car. It was front wheel drive, had a transversely mounted engine mounted directly over the drive wheels, unibody construction, Duroplast body panels (not cardboard), and an independent suspension. The one major drawback was the two-stroke engine. DKW built similar vehicles (substituting steel for Duroplast) in the west until Auto Union was taken over by WV in the 1960s (hence why Audi is part of VW).

BTW, as an aside, Germany did not need a people's car when the VW came out in the late 1930s. It already had one with the more modern FWD DKWs. VW (aka KDF Wagen) was more propaganda than substance.

402 JohnAdams  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:23:05pm

re: #391 Gus 802

A look at North Korea's missile arsenal

By The Associated Press – 2 days ago
A look at North Korea's missile arsenal:

This missile would be within range of Hawaii at 4,715 miles.

But can they hit the broad side of Oahu with it?

403 samsgran1948  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:23:16pm

re: #50 Mad Al-Jaffee

The Peter Bagge book Apocalypse Nerdis about the effects of Seattle being nuked.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Thanks, Mad Al! I just put a copy on order. When I get it, I'll put my youngest and oldest son and my son-in-law in a circle, toss it into the air and let the three of them fight it out.

404 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:23:31pm

re: #399 _RememberTonyC

china uses n. korea to taunt us. they could make kim go away in 5 seconds if they wanted to. china is using nk to test BHO. He better pass this test or we are on the road to "screwed." china is so smart. they don't want to confront us directly, so they use their proxy. and our media has very little understanding of that dynamic.

isn't it obvious?

you get the gold star

405 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:23:36pm

re: #353 reine.de.tout

I bet his lasted him exactly 3 years before it broke down.

My older cousin Debby bought one new (I forget the year). She was on the LEADING EDGE of aluminum block failures. TWO new engines under warranty ... the dealer gave her a choice of cars after the third engine died ... just please, no more Vegas!

406 Gus  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:24:07pm

re: #402 JohnAdams

But can they hit the broad side of Oahu with it?

I know. But you can't take if for granted that they can't given the precision of todays technology.

407 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:24:16pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Ah the whole bendy earth thing always confuses me. When I flew to China from LA we went up the West Coast, over to Siberia, then down to Beijing. They said it was the shortest route, I still think they were lying to me.

Find a globe, locate LA and Beijing, and check it out yourself with a piece of string.

408 Gus  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:24:37pm

re: #397 Gus 802

I hear you. The ADVANCED TAEPODONG-2 which is under development puts Hawaii within range of the NORKS.

Correction, the advanced model.

409 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:25:25pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

Wow, how strange. I've never been there and don't have any desire to go. Aside Mecca there's nothing interesting there that I want to see and that city's off limits to infidels.

Unless you are Richard Burton (the explorer) and sneak in disguised.

410 callahan23  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:26:04pm

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

Years ago one of my dad's co-workers told him a story about not being able to bring Craftsman tools into Saudi because Sears was owned by a Jew. I can't say if that story is true or not, but it sure sounds truthy.

Sounds absolutely believeable to me.
But I sure enough was able to buy them on the 'mercato' the biggest open market in Ethiopia, second hand and also all manner of other first rate brands. Second hand means of course that those tools were before pilfered from the various aid-agencies.

411 JohnAdams  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:26:07pm

re: #399 _RememberTonyC

china uses n. korea to taunt us. they could make kim go away in 5 seconds if they wanted to. china is using nk to test BHO. He better pass this test or we are on the road to "screwed." china is so smart. they don't want to confront us directly, so they use their proxy. and our media has very little understanding of that dynamic.

isn't it obvious?

Yeah, China likely has spies and agents all over North Korea, each ready to put a bullet in Kim's ear at the first order. They tolerate him because he annoys us and keeps millions of people, who at this point are basically brain-dead slaves, inside the borders of North Korea instead of wandering over China's borders like hordes of Evil Dead zombies.

412 Hawaii69  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:27:00pm

re: #115 albusteve

a nuclear explosion cannot be faked

There was debate as to whether NK's first "nuclear test"
was actually nuclear, at all. The yeild was calculated
to be less than 1 kiloton. You can easily manage that
with conventional explosives.

The U.S. government has gone back and forth as to whether not any radiation was sampled in the area
after the test.

The realistic yield estimates for the 2009 test were
2-5 kilotons. Air sampling for radiation was "inconclusive".

We've "faked" them ourselves for testing purposes.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

413 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:27:11pm

re: #376 FurryOldGuyJeans

30+ miles south is not far enough away, and I don't want to see moonbats incinerated by a tyrannical thug.

Plus.... incinerated moonbats have a HORRIBLE odor!

414 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:27:12pm

re: #381 Kosh's Shadow

Let's see. I went out in college with a girl who had a yellow Pinto.
That's where I learned to drive a standard; my family had all automatics.

Then in grad school, I went out with a girl with a gold Gremlin.

My parents had a Chevy Nova.

Houston once purchased Gremlins as police cars for downtown.

415 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:28:19pm

re: #414 OldLineTexan

Houston once purchased Gremlins as police cars for downtown.

"Houston . . we have a problem."

416 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:28:58pm

re: #415 Creeping Eruption

"Houston . . we have a problem."

Yeah. THAT lasted. Not.

417 callahan23  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:30:16pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

Wow, how strange. I've never been there and don't have any desire to go. Aside Mecca there's nothing interesting there that I want to see and that city's off limits to infidels.

It was a regular Lufthansa flight to Ethiopia where a stopover was scheduled in Saudi. The return flight had it's stopover in Cairo.
Very strange vibes there in Saudi I tells ya.

418 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:30:25pm

re: #402 JohnAdams

But can they hit the broad side of Oahu with it?

I don't want them to find out!

419 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:30:46pm

re: #360 CyanSnowHawk

All ding, no comment.

He found his voice on the next thread.

420 DEZes  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:30:53pm

re: #414 OldLineTexan

Houston once purchased Gremlins as police cars for downtown.

Youtube Video
421 Hawaii69  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:31:14pm

re: #391 Gus 802

A look at North Korea's missile arsenal

By The Associated Press – 2 days ago
A look at North Korea's missile arsenal:


This missile would be within range of Hawaii at 4,715 miles.


Assuming it doesn't blow up on the launch pad, or fall into the Pacific.

422 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:31:29pm

re: #414 OldLineTexan

Houston once purchased Gremlins as police cars for downtown.

Why? Those things were terrible.
BTW, when we were looking for a car years ago, we tried to test drive a used Pacer. It would only go in reverse. The salesman was quite embarrassed.
We bought a 1979 Buick Skylark (basically a Nova with a V-6) with 25,000 miles on it, and it lasted us years.

423 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:33:28pm

re: #417 callahan23

It was a regular Lufthansa flight to Ethiopia where a stopover was scheduled in Saudi. The return flight had it's stopover in Cairo.
Very strange vibes there in Saudi I tells ya.

They probably wouldn't let me off the plane, and I'd have to hide in the lavatory while they searched. I don't know where I'd put my siddur (Jewish prayerbook) and tefillin (boxes containing parchment scrolls of certain Torah passages worn during morning prayers).

424 jcm  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:33:45pm

re: #412 Hawaii69

There was debate as to whether NK's first "nuclear test"
was actually nuclear, at all. The yeild was calculated
to be less than 1 kiloton. You can easily manage that
with conventional explosives.

The U.S. government has gone back and forth as to whether not any radiation was sampled in the area
after the test.

The realistic yield estimates for the 2009 test were
2-5 kilotons. Air sampling for radiation was "inconclusive".

We've "faked" them ourselves for testing purposes.

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

Simulated is not faked. The near shock wave effect for large conventional explosion can be used to study the shock wave at greater distances for nuclear explosions.

A nuclear explosion has seismic signature which is not the same as a large conventional explosion.

425 UFO TOFU  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:34:31pm

re: #321 redstateredneck

Mine was a 70. Jeeze, no a/c. Three speed on the column. You had to go as fast as you could with the windows down and the vents open to keep from sticking to the vinyl seats.

Right of way goes to the car with the windows down!

426 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:36:38pm

re: #423 Kosh's Shadow

They probably wouldn't let me off the plane, and I'd have to hide in the lavatory while they searched. I don't know where I'd put my siddur (Jewish prayerbook) and tefillin (boxes containing parchment scrolls of certain Torah passages worn during morning prayers).

You mean they probably wouldn't let you on the plane in the first place.

427 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:36:42pm

re: #422 Kosh's Shadow

Why? Those things were terrible.
BTW, when we were looking for a car years ago, we tried to test drive a used Pacer. It would only go in reverse. The salesman was quite embarrassed.
We bought a 1979 Buick Skylark (basically a Nova with a V-6) with 25,000 miles on it, and it lasted us years.

Size and parking, IIRC.

Yes, they sucked.

428 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:37:20pm

Let's see now. Cars I have owned in some kind of chronological order.

Ahem.

'54 Chevy Belair
'59 T-Bird
'64 T-Bird
'67 Cougar
'67 VW
'64 Valiant
'65 Skylark
'68 Kadett
'63 Jag XKE
'67 Cutlass
'72 Toronado
'86 Impala wagon
'78 RX-3SP
'65 Impala SS
'67 Cutlass convertible
'88 Celica GT-S
'90 Cherokee
'85 Grand AM
'97 Ranger
'92 Marquis
'01 Cherokee
'05 Crown Vic

That doesn't count the company cars, a procession of full-sized vans, station wagons, then Marquis' and Pontiacs.

Looking at that, I know I'm forgetting some.

429 callahan23  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:38:43pm

re: #423 Kosh's Shadow

They probably wouldn't let me off the plane, and I'd have to hide in the lavatory while they searched. I don't know where I'd put my siddur (Jewish prayerbook) and tefillin (boxes containing parchment scrolls of certain Torah passages worn during morning prayers).

El-Al is not using that route. Why all the other western societies are putting up with this shit is a mystery.
- You are right they are atrocious in every aspect of their society.

430 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:38:47pm

re: #426 Creeping Eruption

You mean they probably wouldn't let you on the plane in the first place.

Good point.

431 DEZes  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:39:10pm

Its beer thirty here.
Cheers Lizards.

432 razorbacker  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:39:52pm

Forgot the '68 Rambler Classic, the '60 Hillman Minx, and the '59 Stude Champ.

433 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:40:41pm

re: #432 razorbacker

Forgot the '68 Rambler Classic, the '60 Hillman Minx, and the '59 Stude Champ.

You could take avanti for a ride!

434 UFO TOFU  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:40:46pm

re: #431 DEZes

Your avatar's pretty funny. We need to share a beer some day!

435 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:49:25pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

If you can ignore the crazy human stuff, there is a lot of quality bird watching in Saudi Arabia. And it has some great falconry events.

Which reminds me of a great Far Side...

436 DEZes  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #432 razorbacker

Forgot the '68 Rambler Classic, the '60 Hillman Minx, and the '59 Stude Champ.

I had a 73 cutlass with the 350 rocket, It was hard to keep tires on that beast.

437 DEZes  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:51:18pm

re: #434 UFO TOFU

Your avatar's pretty funny. We need to share a beer some day!

Are you in southern Indiana?
And thanks.

438 jvic  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 2:56:39pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Religion of free speech....
Journalists Traveling With Obama Warned By Saudis: Report Only On Obama Or Else

And with all their moralizing and high principles, THEY WILL OBEY.

Of course they will, just like they obeyed Saddam so they could file all those truthy 'Live from Baghdad' reports.

439 UFO TOFU  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 3:00:37pm

re: #437 DEZes

Are you in southern Indiana?
And thanks.

Oh, no. SoCal.
Sigh.

440 DEZes  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 3:05:00pm

re: #439 UFO TOFU

Oh, no. SoCal.
Sigh.

Tis okay, we can toast a beer online. ;)

441 Wm T Sherman  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 3:08:06pm

So far, their missile tests and fission bomb tests have not gone very well. I would not count on their lack of resources and competence, but I would not forget it either.

442 calcajun  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 3:12:24pm

re: #441 Wm T Sherman

Like middle-east terrorists--they need get lucky only once whereas we have to be lucky all the time.

In the end, I doubt that China will allow it's neighbor to do anything to upset the economy of Asia.

443 bullskin  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 3:17:08pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

Signed and witnessed this day of June the First, anno domini MMIX.

--Cato

Or, Kalendis Ivniis, XXDCCLXII Ab Urbe condita.

444 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 3:45:33pm

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans

Rather ironic that if li'l Kim launches on the West Coast he will be firing on some of his most fervent supporters outside of NorK.

I wish I could give you a dozen updings for this comment.

445 bullskin  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 3:47:14pm

Yep, its wrong, it's MMDCCLXII.

Meanwhile "Kim Jong Il Enjoys Art Performance Given by State Merited Chorus on Opening of Kalma Theatre", fresh nork news via Dark Roasted Blend . No report of the next finger test they are unaware it's being prepared for them.

446 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 5:40:17pm

Charles, something very 'not good' is going on here:
Obama okays Longbow helicopters for Egypt

The article refers to another story(same publisher) that the Obama Admin has, at least, temporarily blocked the sale of six Longbow's to the Israeli's on concerns they'd be used against the Pal's - the Obama/the Admin has done just that.

447 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 5:43:34pm

re: #446 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Charles, something very 'not good' is going on here:
Obama okays Longbow helicopters for Egypt

The article refers to another story(same publisher) that the Obama Admin has, at least, temporarily blocked the sale of six Longbow's to the Israeli's on concerns they'd be used against the Pal's - the Obama/the Admin has done just that.

That story has been debunked. Worldtribune.com is not a credible source for news.

448 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 5:58:30pm

Charles, I actually do not consider WorldTribune a credible source but with this story could you point me to a debunking?

I'm more bothered with the Admin holding up the sales - if that is indeed the case.

449 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 6:20:30pm

re: #306 midwestgak

I had a Maverick too. With that lovely green color.

Maverick owner here, too. Sort of a bizarre burnt-orange brownish color. What was with those weird colors? What were we thinking? (I was thinking of how to make that steep monthly payment of $43.07. Why I remember the exact amount for that, and no other car, is a mystery...)

450 caboose  Mon, Jun 1, 2009 7:43:48pm

It all dat Boosh-guy fault. He no me-member 2 send li'l Kimmie Dong-Nil "change o' address" card sayin' dat n0bama now be da HMFWBIC o' da OOOOh- Esss-ub-Eh! If da Booosh do dat, li'l Dong-Nil wood bee showin' us the luv 'nstead of the big fist. Me hates me some Boooshes 3 not knowin' how to phil out da change o' 'dress card. Me hates! Me hates! Wahhhh!... Iz 'Merican Eye-Dull on yet? Me likez 'Merican Eye-Dull 'cuz they smart like mee!

451 caution  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 10:42:23am

Don't think for a minute that NK will suddenly change when the elder Kim keels over. They were bad off (maybe worse) when his poppa kicked it and most of them cried in the streets. They're brainwashed into thinking these guys are god-like. The oldest son is a bit of a fruit so Kim passes to son #2, shockingly named Kim, and they keep being nutjob hermits for a while. They've been starving for a great long while. It's so bad they lowered the mimimal height requirement for soldiers to be conscripted several years ago, simply due to a shrinking trend caused by malnutrition.


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