He's not really a Christian.
/

sew this mfr

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure about his humanity, either.

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

He's not really a Christian.
/

He is really an asshole.
But thats just MHO.

He's employing the "No True Deranged Religious Psychopath" fallacy.

Bastard. Not just a world-class hypocrite but a violence inciting demogogue and profiteer of lunacy as well.

Put him in a keffiyeh, throw in some Koran quotes and he could get a gig on any Middle East network.

That phrase, "he reaped what he sowed" is showing up all over the right-o-sphere. It is a popular sentiment.

I didn't watch -- did Bill O'Reilly have anything to say about the murder on his show?

"We must not surrender our dead babies"
Yeesh.

Funny, I was just wishing I could get nauseous!

Thanks Mr. Terry.

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

He's not really a Christian.
/

He has lots of statues of angels behind him. Oh, please.

re: #9 Charles

I didn't watch -- did Bill O'Reilly have anything to say about the murder on his show?

Just a note, the first two hours of Rush didn't.

Words fail me.

Now, I know my history could be a bit dodgy and all, but I don't remember the Suffrage movement killing their opponents or showing gruesome images. Any help?

re: #14 Sharmuta

Words fail me.

The words on the signs repulse me.

re: #9 Charles

I didn't watch -- did Bill O'Reilly have anything to say about the murder on his show?

Yes. I missed the first part. He had two talking heads on later who both disapproved of the murder. O'Reilly mentioned that he had hoped that legal action would end his medical practise.

re: #9 Charles

I didn't watch -- did Bill O'Reilly have anything to say about the murder on his show?

The leftist media went into hysterics over the Tiller murder. And will ignore the recruitment center murders as best they can.

The (remaining) right-wing media will downplay the Tiller murder and focus on the recruitment center murders as much as possible.

And the sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning.

"and, yes, at their churches."

Direct, unambiguous, open incitement.

ho boy...the loons are coming out of the wood work on all sides

re: #4 DEZes

He is really an asshole.
But thats just MHO.

He broke the needle on the Asshole Meter.

is repeated head butting considered violent?...
anyway by his own twisted reasoning he, himself could become a target...murder becomes a sympathetic tool for the righteous...this guy is a bonafide crackpot

re: #16 DEZes

I had to stop at the "peaceful people" part. Not sure what part of murder in a house of worship is peaceful, but... that's where I stopped.

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

"and, yes, at their churches."

Direct, unambiguous, open incitement.

Absolutely. And he says that right after Dr. Tiller was murdered at his church.

"Maybe it should be the authorities who let him kill babies."

Displacement much?

re: #21 Idle Drifter

He broke the needle on the Asshole Meter.

I stand corrected.

This guy would fit right in a "demonstration" in NYC with a disgusting sign ... he has the ugly eye-gleam going.

re: #20 Jewels (AKA Julian)

ho boy...the loons are coming out of the wood work on all sides

"The walls are alive, with the sound of new-sick."

All I can say is that Randall Terry is a disgusting human being.

Any politician who still supports Terry is going to get trashed.

Kobach lost his last election bid, Kline lost his bid.

This is domestic terrorism, folks. This video is the equivalent of an Al Qaeda video following a terrorist attack, disavowing responsibility but encouraging more attacks.

Terry is pond scum.

re: #29 Dahveed

All I can say is that Randall Terry is a disgusting human being.

the rest was just superfulous!

re: #23 Sharmuta

I had to stop at the "peaceful people" part. Not sure what part of murder in a house of worship is peaceful, but... that's where I stopped.

You just missed a very disturbed rant, the man is ill.

Fortunately for Terry, even the fanatics haven't yet launched a jihad against adulterous husbands...

So now we have Christians issuing fatwas and calling for their version of sharia law.

re: #36 mich-again

So now we have Christians issuing fatwas and calling for their version of sharia law.

That about sums it up.

re: #31 Charles

This is domestic terrorism, folks. This video is the equivalent of an Al Qaeda video following a terrorist attack, disavowing responsibility but encouraging more attacks.

This could be aunty aziz or Fazlullah talking. Rhetoric, ACTIONS, images...

This man is a megalomaniac - sick and twisted, and full of his own self-importance. I tuned out right after "This is a teaching moment."

re: #32 jim in virginia

Terry is pond scum.

No, pond scum floats at the top. I was thinking more benthonic...

Word?

re: #36 mich-again

So now we have Christians issuing fatwas and calling for their version of sharia law.

He's not a Christian.

RICO anyone?

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

He's not a Christian.

You mean he's not a true Christian.

we will kill, if and when the Scripture provides for our path...

As for me, I'm not so much "pro-choice" as what you might call "anti-life"-- as Heinlein said, parenting in a mass culture without the restraints of traditional societies should require a license. And the Roman notion, that fillicide is not murder, rather retroactive birth control, deserves a second look by the Vulcan Science Council.

God is love

Randall Terry on the Sean Hannity show:

He's gone Phelper on us, except that Phelps is much much careful about incitng violence.
Btw, did y'all notice that the Phelps cult showed up at the candle-light vigil for Dr. Tiller last night.

re: #36 mich-again

So now we have Christians issuing fatwas and calling for their version of sharia law.

They're in bed with islamic creationists concerning science and intelligent design already.

Sure Terry, Dr. Tiller reap what he sowed. Just where does it say it's up to men to do the reaping?

I'm quite content to keep the debate civil, pray for what I believe, and leave the final reaping up to God.

What you are saying Terry is a worker of lawlessness is doing God's work, and nothing could be farther from the truth.

we are the True Agents of Gods Will...we will not hesitate to Smite Satan wherever he is to be found...

O'Reilly spent quite a bit time talking about lefty blogs that were trying to blame him for inciting Tiller's murderer. He mentioned Mary Mapes, Dailykos, HP.

re: #28 zombie

As a thought, you think all the people coming unhinged is due to Obama's mishandling of foreign policy. I've not seeing things this screwy since the 80's at the height of the Cold war

re: #47 Charles

Randall Terry on the Sean Hannity show:

[Video]

You are truly merciless. ;)
No more, ah hell I have to click.

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel

He's gone Phelper on us, except that Phelps is much much careful about incitng violence.
Btw, did y'all notice that the Phelps cult showed up at the candle-light vigil for Dr. Tiller last night.

He's always been phelper, it's just that nobody noticed until they saw the outcome.

re: #47 Charles

And Fox continues its slide into oblivion. . .

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel

He's gone Phelper on us, except that Phelps is much much careful about incitng violence.

is much much MORE careful

PIMF

re: #43 Last Mohican

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

By STRICT definition, a Christian is someone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, thereby obtaining salvation. Such a person is commended to follow the lesson of His life. Randall Terry is not following the teachings of Jesus by his actions.

re: #21 Idle Drifter

He broke the needle on the Asshole Meter.

27 Megagarafalos!

re: #31 Charles

Yep. Scummy. The sane members of the pro-life movement need to continue to speak out against this, and marginalize this sort of extremism. We need fewer "he was murdered and it's sad, but he deserved it" comments and more "he was murdered, and that's abhorrent, and goes against our stance for life" comments. No matter your stance on abortion, we all have to be in agreement that murder is wrong and Randall Terry is nuts.

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

He's not a Christian.

Sounds like an example of the "No good Scotsman.." argument.

re: #59 NelsFree

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

By STRICT definition, a Christian is someone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, thereby obtaining salvation. Such a person is commended to follow the lesson of His life. Randall Terry is not following the teachings of Jesus by his actions.

Like I said "no true Christian."

re: #43 Last Mohican

You mean he's not a true Christian.

Randall Terry is as much a Christian as the next person that claims to be Christian. I'm not sure how many of you Lizards ever lived in the south, or attended fundamental churches, or paid much attention to a lot of the small independent churches spread all over this country, but this kind of thinking is not unusual AT ALL. This is not so rare and not so sub-rosa as you may suspect.

Hmmm, sounds a lot like the far left after 9/11, no? "Chickens coming home to roost", and all that sorry claptrap. The extremities of our political system are just so damn predictable (and they think alike).

SOB is doubling down. Nucking futz.

Is it now appropriate to start comparing this kook to the craven idiots we see raving on MEMRI?

re: #62 Mich-again

Sounds like an example of the "No good Scotsman.." argument.

See his #1.

It has the sarc tag.

Smite not, lest you be smited

re: #31 Charles

This is domestic terrorism, folks. This video is the equivalent of an Al Qaeda video following a terrorist attack, disavowing responsibility but encouraging more attacks.

The part at the end about blaming the authorities and the jury that found Tiller innocent was pretty chilling.

re: #40 NelsFree
From wiki:
The benthic zone is the ecological region at the lowest level of a body of water such as an ocean or a lake, including the sediment surface and some sub-surface layers. Organisms living in this zone are called benthos. They generally live in close relationship with the substrate bottom; many such organisms are permanently attached to the bottom.

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Randall Terry is as much a Christian as the next person that claims to be Christian. I'm not sure how many of you Lizards ever lived in the south, or attended fundamental churches, or paid much attention to a lot of the small independent churches spread all over this country, but this kind of thinking is not unusual AT ALL. This is not so rare and not so sub-rosa as you may suspect.

That is deeply, deeply disturbing. But becoming much more clear to me as I see the sheer volume of hatred erupting after today's murder.

re: #60 jamgarr

A Garafalo. That's brilliant, worthy of an upding and consideration for future nomenclature.

re: #59 NelsFree

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

By STRICT definition, a Christian is someone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, thereby obtaining salvation. Such a person is commended to follow the lesson of His life. Randall Terry is not following the teachings of Jesus by his actions.

He thinks so, who are you to judge him? I don't think so, but who am I to tell him he's not.

Round and round we go, google "no true scotsman" for more info. He's as Christian as he believes and as much as any other Christian agrees with him.

And that's a whole sick lot of Christians.

re: #64 Last Mohican

Like I said "no true Christian."

A textbook example of the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

re: #31 Charles

This is domestic terrorism, folks. This video is the equivalent of an Al Qaeda video following a terrorist attack, disavowing responsibility but encouraging more attacks.

Absolutely valid comparison, I could not agree more.

re: #72 Jim in Virginia

From wiki:
The benthic zone is the ecological region at the lowest level of a body of water such as an ocean or a lake, including the sediment surface and some sub-surface layers. Organisms living in this zone are called benthos. They generally live in close relationship with the substrate bottom; many such organisms are permanently attached to the bottom.

And Benthos now come in fruit-flavors AND mint.

/

re: #60 jamgarr

The meter is now glowing white hot and burning the floor.

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Randall Terry is as much a Christian as the next person that claims to be Christian. I'm not sure how many of you Lizards ever lived in the south, or attended fundamental churches, or paid much attention to a lot of the small independent churches spread all over this country, but this kind of thinking is not unusual AT ALL. This is not so rare and not so sub-rosa as you may suspect.

I have and I am severely spooked by this shit...there is an infinite hit list before this mentality...money changers, unHoly rock and rollers, all the filth of the Earth all wrapped up in one tidy package...anyone could be a victim of this nonsense

re: #76 Iron Fist

Terry is true fringe.

re: #74 BigPapa

A Garafalo. That's brilliant, worthy of an upding and consideration for future nomenclature.

Any credit goes to Futurama ( Coolness measured in Megafonzies)

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

Round and round we go, google "no true scotsman" for more info. He's as Christian as he believes and as much as any other Christian agrees with him.

re: #77 Mich-again

A textbook example of the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

See comment #5 at the top of this thread! :

He's employing the "No True Deranged Religious Psychopath" fallacy.

There are sane reasonable pro life groups in Kansas, Operation Rescue is not among them.

Here's what Kansans for Life had to say the day of the shooting.

re: #76 Iron Fist

I've lived in the south all my life, and have attended small churches, and I've never seen this. Not even close.

I have, but not in the churches.

re: #47 Charles

Randall Terry on the Sean Hannity show:

[Video]

Like I said earlier. That whole Notre Dame debacle elevated the chatter.

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Randall Terry is as much a Christian as the next person that claims to be Christian. I'm not sure how many of you Lizards ever lived in the south, or attended fundamental churches, or paid much attention to a lot of the small independent churches spread all over this country, but this kind of thinking is not unusual AT ALL. This is not so rare and not so sub-rosa as you may suspect.

Walter, I'm willing to stretch my definition of a Christian pretty widely but anyone who advocates murder, no matter what else he claims to belive, is not a follower of Jesus Christ.

re: #87 Gus 802

A rising tide lifts all loons?

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

He thinks so, who are you to judge him? I don't think so, but who am I to tell him he's not.

Round and round we go, google "no true scotsman" for more info. He's as Christian as he believes and as much as any other Christian agrees with him.

And that's a whole sick lot of Christians.

That's why it's up to Christian who disagree with Randall to be heard. Not only proclaim him to be wrong, but show why based on scripture.

To say Randall does not speak for all Christians.

re: #89 Lawrior

A rising tide lifts all loons?

It sure does. Unfortunately the tide is still rising.

re: #79 OldLineTexan

And Benthos now come in fruit-flavors AND mint.

/

Put some in a Diet Pepsi and watch the fun!

re: #52 KingKenrod

Not only that, now AP comes to defend BOR! I just read AP's latest entry, and it seemed to me to be a very awkward side shuffle of sorts... not really addressing that, even though truly O'R was not responsible for the killing of Tiller, O'R was part of the chorus who found it important to re-emphasize over and over that Tiller should be put out of business.

I'm not defending Tiller as an abortionist, nor accusing O'R of complicity in the actual crime, but I do believe that there is way, way too much incitement for turmoil on the part of many who want to make a buck off the malcontent.

re: #88 Jim in Virginia

Walter, I'm willing to stretch my definition of a Christian pretty widely but anyone who advocates murder, no matter what else he claims to belive, is not a follower of Jesus Christ.

well there you have it...they have their definition and you have yours...I have a feeling it goes back to the beginning of time

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

He's not really a Christian.
/

One gamillion down-dings, if I could.

Please, show me where Christ exhorts His followers to kill others.

If people let Randall Terry continue this crap unopposed, he will utterly destroy the pro life movement in this country. That's my prediction.

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Randall Terry is as much a Christian as the next person that claims to be Christian.

It's a sad commentary on those who claim to be Christians that so few actually follow Christ.

The reason "no true Scotsman" is a fallacy is because it uses an irrelevant marker to discard someone from a group. A Scotsman is a man of Scottish birth or ancestry; it has nothing to do with his behavior. One can, however, fairly say that no true Scotsman is actually a Frenchwoman -- being either french or a woman disqualify someone from the category "Scotsman".

Likewise, it's not a fallacy to say that "no true Christian" would engage in certain behaviors which are not Christ-like. Nelsfree's #59 is right on the money -- "advocating murder" is in fact a relevant avenue by which one can be shown not to belong to the group of "true Christians".

re: #76 Iron Fist

I've lived in the south all my life, and have attended small churches, and I've never seen this. Not even close.

You hung out with a better brand of Christians than I did, when I was a believer.

re: #92 jcm

Put some in a Diet Pepsi and watch the fun!

Use leaded, I mean why hold back. ;)

re: #95 MandyManners

One gamillion down-dings, if I could.

Please, show me where Christ exhorts His followers to kill others.

Sarc tag...

No True Scotsman...

Down with religious intolerance and vigilantism.
Up with the rule of law.

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Dear Walter,

You seem to be down on religion, especially Christianity. Is your glass half empty tonight?

re: #88 Jim in Virginia

Walter, I'm willing to stretch my definition of a Christian pretty widely but anyone who advocates murder, no matter what else he claims to belive, is not a follower of Jesus Christ.

And Randall Terry will say that anyone who fails to prevent murders (of "unborn children"), such as you since you didn't heroically shoot any abortionists today, is not a true Christian either.

And that right there is my problem with being a member of any organized religion. Because the entire concept of organized religion is one vast exercise of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

re: #99 DEZes

Use leaded, I mean why hold back. ;)

Didn't Mythbusters show Diet worked better...
Can't remember...

re: #97 LotharBot

It's a sad commentary on those who claim to be Christians that so few actually follow Christ.

The reason "no true Scotsman" is a fallacy is because it uses an irrelevant marker to discard someone from a group. A Scotsman is a man of Scottish birth or ancestry; it has nothing to do with his behavior. One can, however, fairly say that no true Scotsman is actually a Frenchwoman -- being either french or a woman disqualify someone from the category "Scotsman".

Likewise, it's not a fallacy to say that "no true Christian" would engage in certain behaviors which are not Christ-like. Nelsfree's #59 is right on the money -- "advocating murder" is in fact a relevant avenue by which one can be shown not to belong to the group of "true Christians".

I don't agree. There is no test, it's a profession of faith. That's what they tell me all the time. A murderer on his death bed can "find Christ" and they tell me he is saved.

Over and over, it's a profession of faith, not a act of works. That's what I have heard all my life.

re: #89 Lawrior

A rising tide lifts all loons?

That should be a rotating title.

re: #94 albusteve

well there you have it...they have their definition and you have yours...I have a feeling it goes back to the beginning of time

Not all 6,000 years of it? Impossible!

/

Nothing this SOB says relates to being a Christian. Saying one is Christian doesn't make it so. Being a Christian means acting and living the Christian life as best one can.

yeah and I know the No Scotsman BS will appear in 3..2..1

Reading a bit of background on this fellow sure is, uh, interesting.

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Wide Brush there. Links?

Terry's Wiki:

In the early 1980s, Terry married Cindy Dean, a woman he had met in Bible school.[4][5] In 1985, he met a woman who had borne her second child in prison and was planning an abortion rather than bear a third. Terry persuaded her to continue the pregnancy and a daughter named Tila was born later that year. In 1987, Cindy and Randall Terry had a daughter together whom they named Faith.[5] In March 1988, they took in Tila, then aged 3, and her siblings Jamiel, 8, and Ebony, 12, as foster children. All three are biracial; their mother was white. Terry formally adopted the two younger children in 1994 and began describing his family on his résumé as: "Children: One by birth and three black foster children," although Ebony had left home at the age of 16 in 1991.[4] Ebony, who was not adopted by Terry, uses the surname Whetstone, but both Jamiel and Tila took and retain the surname Terry.[4][5]

Though she was only 16 when she left home, Ebony Whetstone soon became pregnant and would eventually have two children outside of marriage.[4] She converted to Islam, a religion her father has preached is composed of "murderers" and "terrorists."[4] In 2004, Terry described his relationship with Ebony as "good."[4] However, Terry banned Tila from his home after she became pregnant outside of marriage twice by age 18; her first pregnancy ended in miscarriage.[4][6]

He has also banished his adopted son. In 1998, when Terry was running for Congress and accused of racism, his son Jamiel stepped forward to defend him.[4] In 2000, Jamiel worked with his father on Steven Forbes's campaign for the Republican nomination for U.S. President, and campaigned with his father against gay marriage in Vermont.[4] In 2004, Jamiel publicly announced that he was a homosexual and wrote an article for Out Magazine for which he was paid $2,500.[4] Terry contends much of the article was written by other people and most of the statements purported to be facts in the article were untrue. Terry promptly disowned his son and claimed that he had "prostituted" the family name. He attributed Jamiel's sexuality to his biological mother, saying that she was a prostitute.[4] Jamiel's response was, "My father's first and foremost aim is to protect himself. He talks about how I prostitute the family's name, but he's used the fact that he saved my sister from abortion and rescued me from hardship in his speeches and interviews. What's the difference?"[4]

When he learned in 2004 that his son was giving an interview about his orientation to the Washington Post, Terry pre-empted Jamiel by writing an essay, My Prodigal Son, the Homosexual,[7] which was published on Terry's own website and several other websites, rejecting his son and referring to his life as "a shambles."[4]

In 2000, Terry divorced his wife of 19 years, Cindy,[4] and married his former church assistant, a young woman named Andrea Sue Kollmorgen.[5][6][8] Kollmorgen, born circa 1976, was approximately 25 at the time of their nuptials;[9] Terry is 17 years older. As a consequence of the divorce, the home on 119 acres where he had lived with Cindy and their four children was to be sold.[8] His decision to divorce in 2000 to marry the youthful Kollmorgen was unfavorably contrasted in the mainstream press to his own stern judgment expressed in his 1995 book, The Judgment of God: "Families are destroyed as a father vents his mid life crisis by abandoning his wife for a 'younger, prettier model.' "[4] His sentiments against divorce had been so strong that when his own parents divorced, "Randall refused to let his children speak with their grandfather for three years," according to interviews with the family done by the Washington Post.[4]

SNIP

Fucking hypocrite.

Callahan, your up late.
You OKay?

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

I don't agree. There is no test, it's a profession of faith. That's what they tell me all the time. A murderer on his death bed can "find Christ" and they tell me he is saved.

Over and over, it's a profession of faith, not a act of works. That's what I have heard all my life.

You were taught poorly.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." (Matthew 7: 16-17)

re: #47 Charles

Randall Terry on the Sean Hannity show:

[Video]

In the end of that video Randall Terry compares Barack Obama to Adolph Hitler.

Why does this guy remind me of David Duke and Bill Ayers in the 70's? He is INCITING and doing his damnedest to try to convince his shaky followers and others that Dr. Tiller's MURDER was justified, that he actually DESERVED to be murdered. And, for them to not back down and persevere.
You're right Charles, this idea is truly sick. He and his followers who believe that Dr. Tiller earned his death, are SICK.

Blondes march in Latvia 'to cheer-up nation

Several hundred blonde women marched through the Latvian capital Riga yesterday in a bid to cheer up the crisis-hit Baltic nation, suffering the worst recession of all 27 EU member states.

"Finally something different, something positive because I'm tired of hearing about the crisis," said another, 70-year-old Ausma.

re: #103 zombie

And Randall Terry will say that anyone who fails to prevent murders (of "unborn children"), such as you since you didn't heroically shoot any abortionists today, is not a true Christian either.

And that right there is my problem with being a member of any organized religion. Because the entire concept of organized religion is one vast exercise of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

If he can show me where Jesus killed evildoers, I'll agree with him.

I need a nirther thread to cheer me up :(

The crazy just keeps on coming.

re: #103 zombie

And Randall Terry will say that anyone who fails to prevent murders (of "unborn children"), such as you since you didn't heroically shoot any abortionists today, is not a true Christian either.

And that right there is my problem with being a member of any organized religion. Because the entire concept of organized religion is one vast exercise of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

You said it so much better than I did, mainly because I have a lot of problem keeping a civil tongue when it comes to this kind of rhetoric.

Fundamentalist crow about how being saved is just believing in Christ and that he died for you. Catholics say it has as much to do with works, the proof of your faith.

So, which is it. Do we judge Randall Terry by what he believes or what he does? Which is it?

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

That's what they tell me all the time.

Who are "they". Just curious.

Ow.

I had my first CQB class in quite some time earlier this evening. The instructor, a 9th Dan black belt, I guess decided he liked me, so he used me for a lot of "demonstrations".

I repeat: Ow.

Get your stinking paws off my daughter's body.

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

I don't agree. There is no test, it's a profession of faith. That's what they tell me all the time. A murderer on his death bed can "find Christ" and they tell me he is saved.

Over and over, it's a profession of faith, not a act of works. That's what I have heard all my life.

Both Paul and James are clear that what they mean by "faith" is not merely an intellectual belief or a statement, but a change in one's outlook and behavior. One can certainly undergo such a change at any time (including on their deathbed)... but once they have, their outlook and behavior will change accordingly, and they will not do such things as advocate murder.

Works are not the method of salvation... but they are a result. If your works don't change, that's evidence that you haven't undergone the aforementioned transformation.

re: #92 jcm

Put some in a Diet Pepsi and watch the fun!

Indeed. Most folks think that a chemical reaction occurs when Benthos and Diet Pepsi are mixed. What REALLY happens, is, you're stirring up sediment! Veryvery fast!
/h

Terry may be a Christian, but he's not a good Christian.

/understatement of the millennium

re: #117 Racer X

Blondes march in Latvia 'to cheer-up nation

Several hundred blonde women marched through the Latvian capital Riga yesterday in a bid to cheer up the crisis-hit Baltic nation, suffering the worst recession of all 27 EU member states.

"Finally something different, something positive because I'm tired of hearing about the crisis," said another, 70-year-old Ausma.

I have to get to Latvia.

"Me heap big photographer for LIFE."

/

re: #108 1SG(ret)

Nothing this SOB says relates to being a Christian. Saying one is Christian doesn't make it so. Being a Christian means acting and living the Christian life as best one can.

yeah and I know the No Scotsman BS will appear in 3..2..1

The point is, who gets to decide who is a true Christian, and who isn't? Not you. Not Randall Terry. Not anyone on Earth, I'd say.

So we're stuck with the term. Anyone who adopts a perverted, offensive mischaracterization of Jesus' words and believes that he is a Christian, is a Christian. And the same goes for any other religion.

re: #117 Racer X

Blondes march in Latvia 'to cheer-up nation

Several hundred blonde women marched through the Latvian capital Riga yesterday in a bid to cheer up the crisis-hit Baltic nation, suffering the worst recession of all 27 EU member states.

"Finally something different, something positive because I'm tired of hearing about the crisis," said another, 70-year-old Ausma.

It looks like a "Legally Blond" convention.

I caught a bit of O'Reilly. He specifically flagged Kos and Huffington for blaming him for the murder. A bit offended was he. He went on to say, in so many words, that this act would not deter his anti-abortion (Catholic) stance on the matter. In no way did he endorse nor in any way naysay this murderous act that I could detect.

re: #111 1SG(ret)

Wide Brush there. Links?

Links. I'm talking about "doing" the faith. You want links, join some fundamentalist churches, some holly roller churches, some small independent churches in the south, come on, you expect everything to be linked to something.

re: #31 Charles

This is domestic terrorism, folks. This video is the equivalent of an Al Qaeda video following a terrorist attack, disavowing responsibility but encouraging more attacks.

b-b-b-but malkin and all of the right wing talk show hosts told me domestic terrorism is all just a bunch of blame-america-first liberal hyperventilating!

///

re: #122 Occasional Reader

Ow.

I had my first CQB class in quite some time earlier this evening. The instructor, a 9th Dan black belt, I guess decided he liked me, so he used me for a lot of "demonstrations".

I repeat: Ow.

Shouldn't have introduced yourself as "OR".

/bad press lately

Well my lizard friends..This is a hard thing to do...They just published my friends Obit..
[Link: www.bakerfuneralservice.com...]

re: #132 ihateronpaul

b-b-b-but malkin and all of the right wing talk show hosts told me domestic terrorism is all just a bunch of blame-america-first liberal hyperventilating!

///

Did they really? All of them? Really?

that dude has teh crazy all over him

I am profoundly happy I have no dog in the Christian/Jesus/Faith fight...but I thoroughly enjoy watching others brawl over it...rock on!

re: #121 Mich-again

Who are "they". Just curious.

I said fundamentalist. It's an act of faith to be save, not works. Randall says he's saved, he is, at least we can't really know.

re: #134 HoosierHoops

Well my lizard friends..This is a hard thing to do...They just published my friends Obit..
[Link: www.bakerfuneralservice.com...]

Condolences HH. What was your friend's name?

re: #134 HoosierHoops

Well my lizard friends..This is a hard thing to do...They just published my friends Obit..
[Link: www.bakerfuneralservice.com...]

Any true Christians here to pray for Hoops?

re: #113 DEZes

Callahan, your up late.
You OKay?

You are right. Need to call it a night.
I truly love you (Lizards}, mostly.

My friend (DEZes)

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Do these sound like the words of someone who wants His followers to shoot people dead?

Whoda thunkit?

Dick Cheney: Pro Gay Marriage.

re: #134 HoosierHoops

My sincere condolences for your loss, HoosierHoops.

re: #127 OldLineTexan

I have to get to Latvia.

"Me heap big photographer for LIFE."

/

I'll take Catch-22 quotes for $500, Alex.

Walter,

even "fundamentalists" seem to be aware of James' argument that "faith without works is dead". So I'm pretty sure we really can know.

Fundamentalists are often the first to declare that someone else doesn't really have faith, based on their works.

So, what is this -- "hate the sin, kill the sinner?" Revolting. It's Christofascism, and yes, I agree with Charles, Operation Rescue and other extremist groups have incited this violence.
As I recall, the Ku Klux Klan was utterly bankrupted by a lawsuit that demonstrated that inciting such violence makes you accountable for it, after the murder of a black man in the Northwest. Claims that they didn't actually tell anyone to specifically go out and kill people relieved the KKK of responsibility didn't wash, and shouldn't here.
I'd like to see Operation Rescue similarly sued and bankrupted.
There are any number of groups that justify threats, harassment, and killing with their beliefs, and they're all wrong. Think animal rights cretins, environmental eco-terrorists, and so on.
All true Christians need to condemn such unforgiveable, and heinous violence, and yes, groups that have ratcheted up the rhetoric should man up and see the blood on their hands.

re: #142 callahan23

You are right. Need to call it a night.
I truly love you (Lizards}, mostly.

My friend (DEZes)

Sleep well my friend.

re: #141 DEZes

Any true Christians here to pray for Hoops?

No, we're all bastards.

/I killed Kenny

Oops! That's from Matthew 11: 28-30.

re: #140 jamgarr

Condolences HH. What was your friend's name?

Flash link didn't work.I'm a mess ..go here then click on Alan Jones II..
[Link: www.bakerfuneralservice.com...]

re: #144 Dar ul Harbarian

Whoda thunkit?

Dick Cheney: Pro Gay Marriage.

And some Christians would claim that Cheney couldn't be a Christian because of this stance. Where does it stop?

re: #135 OldLineTexan

Did they really? All of them? Really?

yeah they were pretty darn insistent during the DHS "controversy" that the report was "a bunch of crap" (probably the exact words mark levin used)

and the report covered idiots like this.

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

You will know them by their fruit. Grapes aren't gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles, are they? Mat 7:16.

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

And some Christians would claim that Cheney couldn't be a Christian because of this stance. Where does it stop?

Wouldn't the Republicanists call him a RINO now?

//

re: #150 OldLineTexan

No, we're all bastards.

/I killed Kenny

Just how many times are you gonna kill Kenny, dont make me turn this car around.

re: #136 gtrs

that dude has teh crazy all over him

DONT POKE TEH CRAZY!

re: #141 DEZes

Any true Christians here to pray for Hoops?

I don't know about true Christians, but I'll pray for him.

re: #31 Charles

This is domestic terrorism, folks. This video is the equivalent of an Al Qaeda video following a terrorist attack, disavowing responsibility but encouraging more attacks.

All that's missing is his prop AK-74 leaning up against the wall behind him.

Randall Terry,
In a sense falling only JUST short of reality, ... you, sir, pulled the trigger.
You are a cold-blooded, callous, murderer.
And I believe you like it.

/leaving now ... to get myself mellowed out before bedtime

re: #122 Occasional Reader

9th Dan? It wasn't an aikido dojo, was't?

re: #134 HoosierHoops

Well my lizard friends..This is a hard thing to do...They just published my friends Obit..
[Link: www.bakerfuneralservice.com...]

Hoosier, so very sorry about your loss.

re: #103 zombie

And Randall Terry will say that anyone who fails to prevent murders (of "unborn children"), such as you since you didn't heroically shoot any abortionists today, is not a true Christian either.

And that right there is my problem with being a member of any organized religion. Because the entire concept of organized religion is one vast exercise of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

I would tell Terry the fact there are any abortions is a failing of him as a Christian, is a failing of all Christians.

Not that we've failed to take action, not that we failed to vote, to protest or anything temporal.

Our duty is not to succeed in the temporal world. Ours is to succeed in the spiritual one.

Terry and all Christians (myself included) have failed in the spiritual warfare.

We have failed in faith.
We have failed in prayer.
We have failed in the oneness of spirit, Christ's most earnest prayer before his death.
We have failed to share our faith with others.

Our response should not be shooters, it should be Terry's, our response as Christians should be to look inward, not outward.

Not as a guilt trip, but to recognize how short we are in matters of faith.
To cease our political efforts, our protests, our cursing the darkness, and to light the candle of faith, one candle at a time.

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

And some Christians would claim that Cheney couldn't be a Christian because of this stance. Where does it stop?

When the axe is all ground away, apparently.

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Flash link didn't work.I'm a mess ..go here then click on Alan Jones II..
[Link: www.bakerfuneralservice.com...]

Way too young

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Was it in the line of duty?
My condolences.

re: #152 HoosierHoops

So very sorry to hear of your loss. My prayers go with the family and friends.

If hell exists, they have already named a wing after this SOB.

re: #154 ihateronpaul

yeah they were pretty darn insistent during the DHS "controversy" that the report was "a bunch of crap" (probably the exact words mark levin used)

and the report covered idiots like this.

ALL of them? Wow. You must spend all day listening. That's a lot of work.

re: #162 Honcho

9th Dan? It wasn't an aikido dojo, was't?

No. I ain't sayin' more than that about who the instructor was, in the name of my cherished net anonymity.

re: #159 Ward Cleaver

I don't know about true Christians, but I'll pray for him.

I said that just for the no true Scotsman argument.

Lizards, I must bail, have a great one.
Hoops, God be with you.

guess which website has a hateful and homophobic essay by randall terry?

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Who-da-thunk-it?

I saw a sign on the road today and it reminded me a bit of the current political scene. It said. "Right lane must turn right."

re: #102 NelsFree

Dear Walter,

You seem to be down on religion, especially Christianity. Is your glass half empty tonight?

OT: The glass is not half empty or half full. The glass is too big.

about 3 minutes in...what the hell is wrong with his left index finger upper knuckle?

re: #144 Dar ul Harbarian

Whoda thunkit?

Dick Cheney: Pro Gay Marriage.

"I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," replied the former V.P. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish..."

Uh, that could get interesting.

/i now pronounce you man... and goat

re: #155 Mich-again

I tried that already, didn't take.

re: #117 Racer X

Blondes march in Latvia 'to cheer-up nation

Several hundred blonde women marched through the Latvian capital Riga yesterday in a bid to cheer up the crisis-hit Baltic nation, suffering the worst recession of all 27 EU member states.

"Finally something different, something positive because I'm tired of hearing about the crisis," said another, 70-year-old Ausma.

WOW. Smokin' hot. All of them.

re: #173 ihateronpaul

guess which website has a hateful and homophobic essay by randall terry?

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Who-da-thunk-it?

He's also big on the anti immigration schtick as well.

re: #166 jamgarr

Way too young

He was 20 days older than I am. Time to check my life insurance and hug my Mrs extra special tonight.

re: #175 Jim in Virginia

OT: The glass is not half empty or half full. The glass is too big.

You have done well, grasshopper. You may now leave Willy's and seek your fortune in the world.

/

re: #144 Dar ul Harbarian

Whoda thunkit?

Dick Cheney: Pro Gay Marriage.

CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO!

*snicker*

I almost kept a straight face while typing that.

re: #124 LotharBot

Both Paul and James are clear that what they mean by "faith" is not merely an intellectual belief or a statement, but a change in one's outlook and behavior. One can certainly undergo such a change at any time (including on their deathbed)... but once they have, their outlook and behavior will change accordingly, and they will not do such things as advocate murder.

Works are not the method of salvation... but they are a result. If your works don't change, that's evidence that you haven't undergone the aforementioned transformation.

That is the fundamental basis of Calvinism -- but it leads to all sorts of bizarre beliefs, including the once-commonly held notion that rich people are blessed by God because their success is an indicator of their faith, whereas poor people are accursed.

Yes, yes, I know, Jesus said all sort sof nice things about poor people; but the moment any theology arises based on Biblical principles, that theology (whatever it may by) almost inevitably devolves into something distasteful or weird. There is no "pure" Christianity left anymore, despite a million denominations each claiming to be the One True Way.

re: #179 Truck Monkey

WOW. Smokin' hot. All of them.

Viva Latvia! Or... erm... however you say "viva!" in Latvian.

re: #177 Ward Cleaver

Uh, that could get interesting.

/i now pronounce you man... and goat

Opening the door to polygamist bestiality, too!

re: #152 HoosierHoops

Flash link didn't work.I'm a mess ..go here then click on Alan Jones II..
[Link: www.bakerfuneralservice.com...]

Oh my, Hoops. He was the 6' 10" guy? I'll pray of the repose of his soul, and all who grieve.

re: #167 solomonpanting

Was it in the line of duty?
My condolences.

No..He had a heart defect..He was on the Cell with his wife when he suddenly died...Everyone is crushed...In a few days I have some great stories to tell..
That's all I can do...Leave a permanent record for an American policeman that was just a wonderful person..And a good friend...

re: #183 MandyManners

CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO! CHENEY'S A RINO!

*snicker*

I almost kept a straight face while typing that.

I didn't when I read it...
Pardon me while I go clean off my keyboard.

re: #180 Thanos

He's also big on the anti immigration schtick as well.

Well, shit, by the logic of many posts here that makes me just like him.

///

re: #160 Occasional Reader

All that's missing is his prop AK-74 leaning up against the wall behind him.

And, the severed head of an infidel?

re: #174 Mich-again

I saw a sign on the road today and it reminded me a bit of the current political scene. It said. "Right lane must turn right."

I've heard that the Obama Administration is toying with the idea of the following slogan:
This administration does not turn right on Reds

re: #115 Gus 802

In the end of that video Randall Terry compares Barack Obama to Adolph Hitler.

And Hannity didn't even blink at it.

re: #182 OldLineTexan

You have done well, grasshopper. You may now leave Willy's and seek your fortune in the world.

/

I will leave my Willy when they pry it out of my cold, dead han...

Wait. Let me rephrase.

My point being, all through my snarky comments, is we should stop wasting our time saying 'he's not a true Christian" and simply start to speak against this sort of behavior, in anyone. In Terry, in those three men who tried to bomb the synagogue , radical Islam and so on.

re: #185 Occasional Reader

Viva Latvia! Or... erm... however you say "viva!" in Latvian.

Well, in Canoga Parkian it would be 'bow chica wow wow.'

re: #170 OldLineTexan

ALL of them? Wow. You must spend all day listening. That's a lot of work.

I listen to quite a few talk shows rather often thank you very much. I didn't hear one conservative commentator not spew out the michelle malkin talking points about it, and insinuating that the report is useless by doing so. "Oh the whole thing is a liberal plot to discredit our veterans"

all lies and half-truths, but they were still said.

re: #120 Walter L. Newton
Still waiting for an answer to my question: why are you down on religion? You said you once were a believer. Some of your posts belie little understanding of Christianity. Other of your posts indicate pent up anger. So, what up with you, Walter?

no offense

Wait... SWEDEN had a covert nuke bomb program during the Cold War?!

(Watching the Military Channel)

A lot of NWO / Jew Hate sites are posting this vid, they love it.

re: #193 Charles

And Hannity didn't even blink at it.

Well, the kids love it.

/

re: #100 jcm

Sarc tag...

No True Scotsman...

Apologies for the down ding jcm. I like you a lot. But the "no true scotsman" argument has gone too far. Its become a pithy rebuttal to any defense of Christianity whenever someone claiming to be a Christian is caught behaving satanically. This man was a socio-path and a murderer and he is not a Christian and surely never was a Christian.

I wear a NY Rangers jersey and post on NY Rangers websites. I am not a NY Ranger.

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

Randall Terry is Ayatollah in a business suit.

US lab debuts super laser
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

re: #144 Dar ul Harbarian

Whoda thunkit?

Dick Cheney: Pro Gay Marriage.

Show Obama supporters that, along with a link about Obama not being in favor of gay marriage, and watch their heads explode!

re: #193 Charles

And Hannity didn't even blink at it.

Makes me sick. Seemed like for a long time we didn't hear a peep from Randall Terry. None of the abortion laws changed under Bush but as soon as Obama came into office there he was once again after 8 years of silence more or less. The last two days reminded me of how much I despised the man in the 80s and 90s.

re: #197 ihateronpaul

I listen to quite a few talk shows rather often thank you very much. I didn't hear one conservative commentator not spew out the michelle malkin talking points about it, and insinuating that the report is useless by doing so. "Oh the whole thing is a liberal plot to discredit our veterans"

all lies and half-truths, but they were still said.

Now it's down to quite a few. First it was all. Have you started slacking? I'm proud.

re: #171 Occasional Reader

No. I ain't sayin' more than that about who the instructor was, in the name of my cherished net anonymity.

We know who you are, Senator Graham.

Charles, WND links upthread, I know you don't like those but this one's pertinent

re: #130 The Shadow Do
he was extremely infllammatory in the past talking about "TILLER THE BABY KILLER" over and over and over again

re: #200 Occasional Reader

Wait... SWEDEN had a covert nuke bomb program during the Cold War?!

(Watching the Military Channel)

The bikeenee teem wuss a distrackshun, yah yu betcha.

/

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

My point being, all through my snarky comments, is we should stop wasting our time saying 'he's not a true Christian" and simply start to speak against this sort of behavior, in anyone. In Terry, in those three men who tried to bomb the synagogue , radical Islam and so on.

agreed...the Christian aspect of it while interesting is a waste of time

re: #31 Charles

This is domestic terrorism, folks. This video is the equivalent of an Al Qaeda video following a terrorist attack, disavowing responsibility but encouraging more attacks.

I'm very pleased to see that comment with so many updings.

re: #171 Occasional Reader

frozen peas are better than ice...

my old girlfriend used to say "you have to learn to play hurt"

of course, she's dead, now...

re: #173 ihateronpaul

Yes, the same site that currently has as its top banner yet another 'nirther story (this one about flooding the WH website with calls for the 'nirth c.)

Other headline stories include the one about the Administration seeking to keep private citizens from trying to bring foreign heads of state into 9/11 trials and various Christian persecution themes.

Two are about creationism - the first about how creationist evangelist Hoviland is being persecuted for his beliefs, and of course yet another sale on that special Darwin led to Hitler video.

/Cream of the [Link: WWW...] no doubt...

re: #193 Charles

And Hannity didn't even blink at it.

Hannity is a maroon!

re: #183 MandyManners

I'm happy to see the wheels coming off the cart on that one too.

re: #198 NelsFree

Still waiting for an answer to my question: why are you down on religion? You said you once were a believer. Some of your posts belie little understanding of Christianity. Other of your posts indicate pent up anger. So, what up with you, Walter?

Belie little understanding of Christianity? I don't think so. And what's with the armchair psychoanalysis? No, I'm not angry, really. I'm an atheist.

re: #151 MandyManners

It's not Jesus that's the problem; it's some of his followers that pick and choose the parts they like to justify their actions. The Old Testament is chock full of that can be used as justification for killing if you so choose.

re: #180 Thanos

Ugh.

re: #193 Charles

And Hannity didn't even blink at it.

Hannity often commits "sins of omissions" by acting like ridiculously wack shit being said never happened. One must look back to his roots, when he was suspended 24 hours into his broadcasting career for featuring a guest who was viciously anti-gay. It took the ACLU to get his career back on track. He seems to gloss over that telling point of his experience in "broadcast excellence."

I also find it annoying how all he friggin does is repeat talking points. It's like he stores them in his hand, and "conjures" them by counting them out on his fingers. So instead of going into the issue he will go on about stupid fucking bullshit like obama liking dijon mustard and it just becomes a self-parody of anything resembling political commentary.

re: #197 ihateronpaul
Love your nic. Have you ever met the man? You have to know him to really hate him.

re: #220 Lawrior

It's not Jesus that's the problem; it's some of his followers that pick and choose the parts they like to justify their actions. The Old Testament is chock full of that can be used as justification for killing if you so choose.

And so can the Greek scriptures.

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Ugh.

Also noticing that Randall Terry's been on Alex Jones a few times...

re: #115 Gus 802

In the end of that video Randall Terry compares Barack Obama to Adolph Hitler.

If Randall Terry were President [G-D forbid] he would give Hitler a run for his money.

I'm so sick of these extremists invoking Hitler. If they were around while Hitler was doing his thing, they'd all be happily pitching in.

From the WND story on Hovind from yesterday:

Kent Hovind's followers, however, contend he was prosecuted because of his religious convictions – and because he was so effective in exposing what he calls "the big lie of evolution."

Yup, the IRS - tool of the Darwinists!

re: #207 Gus 802

Makes me sick. Seemed like for a long time we didn't hear a peep from Randall Terry. None of the abortion laws changed under Bush but as soon as Obama came into office there he was once again after 8 years of silence more or less. The last two days reminded me of how much I despised the man in the 80s and 90s.

Kind of like homeless people re-appear after the election of a republican.

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

I live in the south and am a member of an Independent Baptist Church. Nothing like this has ever been said or preached where I've been. I still say you paint with a broad brush. But I should have stayed out of the debate, for these threads usually become more about Christian bashing than the subject matter. The Guy is an asshole!

re: #208 OldLineTexan

Now it's down to quite a few. First it was all. Have you started slacking? I'm proud.

Alright smart guy, show me an example to the contrary, of a right wing talk show host not going against the DHS report.

re: #230 1SG(ret)

I live in the south and am a member of an Independent Baptist Church. Nothing like this has ever been said or preached where I've been. I still say you paint with a broad brush. But I should have stayed out of the debate, for these threads usually become more about Christian bashing than the subject matter. The Guy is an asshole!

Yep, he is.

re: #144 Dar ul Harbarian

Whoda thunkit?

Dick Cheney: Pro Gay Marriage.

"I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," replied the former V.P. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don't support. I do believe that the historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis. ... But I don't have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that."

As one who has a lot in common with Dick Cheney, both politically and the loving father of a gay daughter, I say good on him. Cheney is one of the most principled and decent politicos I know.

re: #226 Thanos

Yeesh.
/The only words I have left to criticize the right with are monosyllabic grunts and clicks.

re: #223 Jim in Virginia

Love your nic. Have you ever met the man? You have to know him to really hate him.

It is more about the movement surrounding him than the man himself.

re: #227 Alouette

If Randall Terry were President [G-D forbid] he would give Hitler a run for his money.

I'm so sick of these extremists invoking Hitler. If they were around while Hitler was doing his thing, they'd all be happily pitching in.

It's been so overused. Had to suffer through 8 years of the "Bush is Hitler meme" and now of all things they're saying "Obama is Hitler." There's no equal to Hitler and hopefully we will never see another Hitler for the rest of time. I've been seeing a lot of the same thing being done with the KKK where groups are called "just like the KKK." I was watching on show the other night and some guy went off and said that "Greenpeace is just like the KKK!" I just sat there and scratched my head.

re: #231 ihateronpaul

Alright smart guy, show me an example to the contrary, of a right wing talk show host not going against the DHS report.

Don't like getting called on your exaggerations?

/oh, and that's Mr. Smart Guy to you, Junior.

re: #211 gtrs

he was extremely infllammatory in the past talking about "TILLER THE BABY KILLER" over and over and over again

You need to link to that claim please.

re: #203 experiencedtraveller

Apologies for the down ding jcm. I like you a lot. But the "no true scotsman" argument has gone too far. Its become a pithy rebuttal to any defense of Christianity whenever someone claiming to be a Christian is caught behaving satanically. This man was a socio-path and a murderer and he is not a Christian and surely never was a Christian.

I wear a NY Rangers jersey and post on NY Rangers websites. I am not a NY Ranger.

Don't worry, Mandy took questioned Walter's post (I know Walter can take care of himself), just trying to keep things from getting out of hand is all.

I happen to agree with Walter.

Randall and Phelps and others claim to be Christian, our response shouldn't be to merely say they are not Christian.

We need to go much farther, because to everyone outside the faith, they are Christian. All Christians are going to have to deal with it.

I don't know what's in Terry's heart. I do know that he is wrong, Christians need to vociferously decree this type of garbage, both inside the faith and to the world. We must be able to show why he is wrong.

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

Indeed, as with many religious texts. The problem is that while many believers will quickly say "No no no no no, we surely don't believe THAT any longer," they still have it trapped in with everything they do like. Ten Commandments? In. Deuteronomy? Less so.

re: #236 Gus 802

It's been so overused. Had to suffer through 8 years of the "Bush is Hitler meme" and now of all things they're saying "Obama is Hitler." There's no equal to Hitler and hopefully we will never see another Hitler for the rest of time. I've been seeing a lot of the same thing being done with the KKK where groups are called "just like the KKK." I was watching on show the other night and some guy went off and said that "Greenpeace is just like the KKK!" I just sat there and scratched my head.

I think to some extent it extends to groups like the ALF that don't attack human beings...they are nowhere near as destructive as racist groups yet are lumped in with them.

re: #231 ihateronpaul

Alright smart guy, show me an example to the contrary, of a right wing talk show host not going against the DHS report.

Oh, and I don't listen to ALL of them (damn you, full-time employment!), so I would make a horrible research flunky for you.

/But if you still want to hire me, I'm cheap at $120K per annum plus four weeks paid vacation and full benefits including 401(k) and dental.

re: #237 OldLineTexan

Don't like getting called on your exaggerations?

/oh, and that's Mr. Smart Guy to you, Junior.

I still haven't seen your example. All of the talk show hosts I heard latched on to the DHS story like flies to the lamp.

re: #225 Iron Fist

It's called "uke".

A fitting name, since at one point, when he had me in a particularly painful wristlock, I thought I was gonna "puke".

/

re: #243 ihateronpaul

I still haven't seen your example. All of the talk show hosts I heard latched on to the DHS story like flies to the lamp.

Now that's a statement I have no argument with.

/No charge for the help with your rhetoric.

/This time.

how much you want to bet he's wearing victoria's secret under that suit?

I don't understand AP on some days. Is he doing his job and feeding the idiots what they want or does he really believe this shit?
Tool who said Fox News is “worse than Al Qaeda”: Hey, let’s “quarantine” Fox News’s hate speech
Anyone?

re: #230 1SG(ret)

I live in the south and am a member of an Independent Baptist Church. Nothing like this has ever been said or preached where I've been. I still say you paint with a broad brush. But I should have stayed out of the debate, for these threads usually become more about Christian bashing than the subject matter. The Guy is an asshole!

I have heard hours of inflammatory rhetoric coming from southern churches on the radio...threats and guilt, all the bad stuff that happens if you reject Jesus...all the while one person or another was memorizing scripture I was listening to the Stones...am I lost?...am I doomed to the fires of Hell?...am I a bad person?...I'm very comfortable as a heathen and I'll go where they tell me to go after this life...I cannot rise out of the valley and don the armore of the Lord...if I'm fucked so be it...I stand alone with my morality

re: #246 spacejesus

Now THAT is funny. Damn you spacejesus... damn you!

re: #246 spacejesus

how much you want to bet he's wearing victoria's secret under that suit?

HARHARHAR!

Pardon me, I have to go thaw out Hell.

re: #245 OldLineTexan

Now that's a statement I have no argument with.

/No charge for the help with your rhetoric.

/This time.

I will freely admit that I sometimes have difficulty wording my thoughts, but I am getting better over time (I hope)

re: #222 ihateronpaul

Hannity often commits "sins of omissions" by acting like ridiculously wack shit being said never happened.

I can't stand the smug look he gets on his face when he thinks he scored a point over some stupid comment like the the Dijon mustard line. As far as repeating himself, I'd like him to just wear a T shirt with Wright/Ayers printed on it and save his voice.

re: #59 NelsFree

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

By STRICT definition, a Christian is someone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, thereby obtaining salvation. Such a person is commended to follow the lesson of His life. Randall Terry is not following the teachings of Jesus by his actions.

The fact that Randall Terry completely sucks at the "living in imitation of Christ" part makes him a really bad Christian, but not a non-Christian.

re: #240 Lawrior

Indeed, as with many religious texts. The problem is that while many believers will quickly say "No no no no no, we surely don't believe THAT any longer," they still have it trapped in with everything they do like. Ten Commandments? In. Deuteronomy? Less so.

Let's see what the Greek scriptures say about retribution. Paul temporarily blinds the sorcerer Elymas in (Acts 13, 9-12), and what about Ananias and Saphira who were struck dead at Peter’s feet (Acts 5, 5-11).

A person like Terry could certainly show just reason for someone to be harmed or killed by referring to these tales in the Greek scriptures.

re: #252 ihateronpaul

I will freely admit that I sometimes have difficulty wording my thoughts, but I am getting better over time (I hope)

Hey man, we all have work to do. No hard feelings, OK?

/unless you piss me off again

/

re: #254 Throbert McGee

TM ... OT ... you change your avatar all the time! ... what is the new one? ...

I'm seeing this shit from the last three days or so, and I'm beginning to think that the human animal is fundamentally flawed at the chemical level.

re: #242 OldLineTexan

I'm cheap at $120K per annum

Are those US dollars, or Confederate?

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

Let's see what the Greek scriptures say about retribution. Paul temporarily blinds the sorcerer Elymas in (Acts 13, 9-12), and what about Ananias and Saphira who were struck dead at Peter’s feet (Acts 5, 5-11).

A person like Terry could certainly show just reason for someone to be harmed or killed by referring to these tales in the Greek scriptures.

Did Peter use the Holy Handgun of Antioch, or did God get the credit?

re: #254 Throbert McGee

The fact that Randall Terry completely sucks at the "living in imitation of Christ" part makes him a really bad Christian, but not a non-Christian.

Maybe he just does the "scourging the moneychangers out of the temple" and "o ye scribes and pharisees vipers burn in hell" thing over and over and over.

Like Sister-in-Law tells me, "Some people are good churchgoers, some people are good Christians, and some people are both."

I try to be real nice to her. She's trying to pray me into Heaven. I've told her there's no rush, but I'm not sure she believes me.