Anti-Evolution Bills Die on the Vine in Texas

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Some more good news from Texas; that ludicrous House bill that would have allowed the young earth creationists at the Institute for Creation Research to offer a master’s degree in science education (despite a decision by the Higher Education Coordination Board to deny them this certification) has died when the House adjourned. Also dead: a bill that would have restored controversial language about “strengths and weaknesses” of evolutionary theory. More details at the National Center for Science Education: Antievolution bills die in Texas.

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1 RoughRider  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:34:10pm

Don't mess with Texas!

2 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:34:22pm

Too bad it just wasn't voted down instead.

3 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:34:54pm

I am a proud descendant of the noble line of Lemurs and then Apes.

4 medaura18586  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:35:11pm

B.I.H

5 zombie  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:36:02pm

Hey, I'm likin' the new Microsoft search engine, "Bing."

Why?

Because when you do a side-by-side search for the word Mohammed, Google has zombietime as the #4 result -- but Bing puts me at #3! (Paste in "Mohammed" and see for yourself.)

The difference between a #4 ranking and a #3 ranking for a common search term can be thousands of extra visitors per day. So, I'm already a Bing fan.

6 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:36:03pm

Maybe it is just me, but I find it interesting beyond coincidence that two states that are former independent Republics (CA and TX) seem to represent the extremes of the American political parties.

7 jaunte  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:36:12pm

Vines; why do they hate the 'strengths and weaknesses?'

8 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:36:59pm

re: #2 Honorary Yooper

Too bad it just wasn't voted down instead.

Technicalities are far easier than to show some testicular fortitude and actually vote it down.

9 redc1c4  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:37:13pm

re: #6 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe it is just me, but I find it interesting beyond coincidence that two states that are former independent Republics (CA and TX) seem to represent the extremes of the American political parties.

the problem with California is all the East Coast scum that have moved here....

10 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:37:17pm

Theocracy is such a hard thing to kill these days.

11 zombie  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:38:12pm

Heh -- I displace "BibleProbe" in the Bing engine, so my comment was sorta on-topic after all!

12 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:38:45pm

All we need is another "open registration"

13 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:38:46pm

re: #9 redc1c4

the problem with California is all the East Coast scum that have moved here....

Revenge for the Californification of Washington State back in the 70's.

14 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:39:21pm

Well I'll be a monkey's grandkid.

15 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:39:40pm

re: #11 zombie

Heh -- I displace "BibleProbe" in the Bing engine, so my comment was sorta on-topic after all!

BibleProbe....something new for aliens to use on abductees?

16 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:39:52pm

re: #12 Alouette

All we need is another "open registration"

How sweet, fresh meat. ;)

17 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:40:18pm

re: #9 redc1c4

the problem with California is all the East Coast scum that have moved here....

DING DING DING!

18 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:41:27pm

re: #2 Honorary Yooper

Too bad it just wasn't voted down instead.

Agree. Both measures will likely return in the next session.

19 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:42:12pm

On a mailing list I belong to, a bunch of conservative bloggers are now talking about engaging in "civil disobedience" at abortion clinics.

20 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:42:23pm

Well, what do the Apes think then?

He can talk

21 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:42:23pm

re: #12 Alouette

All we need is another "open registration"

Troll to whack, where , where are they? (happily looking around)
-
Aww, shugs registration is still closed.
/

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:43:02pm

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

23 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:43:32pm

re: #19 Charles

On a mailing list I belong to, a bunch of conservative bloggers are now talking about engaging in "civil disobedience" at abortion clinics.

How's that gonna' mesh with the extra protection FCBBHO has said will be put into place?

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:43:46pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

THAT is not civil nor disobedient, that is out and out criminal.

25 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:43:50pm

re: #16 DEZes

How sweet, fresh meat. ;)

A bit o' fresh meat would go down sweet -
I've a mind to dine on thee now.

26 zombie  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:43:52pm

re: #19 Charles

On a mailing list I belong to, a bunch of conservative bloggers are now talking about engaging in "civil disobedience" at abortion clinics.

It's 1993 all over again.

27 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:43:54pm

re: #5 zombie

Hey, I'm likin' the new Microsoft search engine, "Bing."

Combine "Bing" with a good dash of Hope, and you're on the Road To [Wherever you want to go].

28 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:44:02pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

They're discussing committing crimes?

29 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:44:12pm

re: #22 Charles

Please tell me that's a joke?

30 zombie  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #27 Occasional Reader

Combine "Bing" with a good dash of Hope, and you're on the Road To [Wherever you want to go].

In my case, "The Road to Mecca."

31 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:44:41pm

Vandalism and battery.

32 zombie  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:45:35pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

Maybe they heard there was a blood bank shortage for transfusions, and they're just trying to be helpful.

/

33 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:45:40pm

re: #3 callahan23

I am a proud descendant of the noble line of Lemurs

"Monsieur Gorbechev! Tearez-down Le Mur!"

-Ronald Le Reagan

34 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:45:45pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

Didn't we just get done putting up with eight years of this childish, counterproductive behavior from the Left?

Such actions are illegal. Charge them and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law, and toss them in jail until they figure out what "the rule of law" is all about.

35 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:45:46pm

re: #19 Charles

On a mailing list I belong to, a bunch of conservative bloggers are now talking about engaging in "civil disobedience" at abortion clinics.

They can fuck right off. A few years ago, I had to take my daughter to an emergency clinic which was located in the same facility as an abortion clinic. They started screaming as us and were blocking all the parking and we ended up having to park a block away and walking thru them to get to the clinic. Civil disobedience pisses me off no matter who is behind it.

36 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:45:46pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

If even one of them does that, a whole bunch are going to jail. They will definitely belong there. Supremely stupid, like most vile things.

37 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:45:52pm

Isn't discussing plans to break the law a conspiracy to commit that crime? Isn't it a federal crime to do so on the Internet?

38 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:46:08pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

I'm pro-life myself, but that is just disgusting!

We should love people and offer them help, not attack them!

39 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:46:14pm

re: #28 MandyManners

They're discussing committing crimes?

I said it before, I'll say it again:

What took the Left 8 years to achieve during the last administration, the level of kookery and outright insanity, is taking the Right less than 6 months. We are so screwed.

40 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:46:32pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

Sounds like a criminal conspiracy.

41 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:46:35pm

re: #22 Charles

They are disgusting filthy criminals. Scum of the religious zealot-type.
Yuck.

42 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:46:38pm

I'm off to the gym. Tawk amongst yahselves.

43 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:46:43pm

re: #28 MandyManners

They're discussing committing crimes?

In emails.

That's profoundly a bad idea.

44 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:47:08pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I said it before, I'll say it again:

What took the Left 8 years to achieve during the last administration, the level of kookery and outright insanity, is taking the Right less than 6 months. We are so screwed.

This is nothing new. Clinics have been the scenes of such madness before.

45 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:47:30pm

re: #35 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

They can fuck right off. A few years ago, I had to take my daughter to an emergency clinic which was located in the same facility as an abortion clinic. They started screaming as us and were blocking all the parking and we ended up having to park a block away and walking thru them to get to the clinic. Civil disobedience pisses me off no matter who is behind it.

Two words: bear mace.

46 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:47:34pm

re: #42 Occasional Reader

I'm off to the gym. Tawk amongst yahselves.

Feel the burn!

47 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:47:57pm

re: #43 Dianna

In emails.

That's profoundly a bad idea.

Do they actually think they'll get away with it?

48 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:48:02pm

re: #33 Occasional Reader

"Monsieur Gorbechev! Tearez-down Le Mur!"

-Ronald Le Reagan

LOL.
That's now an official green heart to me.

49 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:48:22pm

re: #25 Dianna

A bit o' fresh meat would go down sweet -
I've a mind to dine on thee now.

Hey, I am not on the menu.
*RUNS AWAY*

50 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:48:26pm

re: #44 MandyManners

This is nothing new. Clinics have been the scenes of such madness before.

Yet had there been such a large public acceptance before? I don't remember it being so out in the open.

51 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:48:48pm

re: #38 eschew_obfuscation

I'm pro-life myself, but that is just disgusting!

We should love people and offer them help, not attack them!

Yes, they should offer support to the women to bring their babies to term. They'll save many more by doing that than by threats.

52 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:48:51pm
53 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:49:22pm

re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet had there been such a large public acceptance before? I don't remember it being so out in the open.

One word: Internet.

54 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:49:34pm

re: #45 SixDegrees

Two words: bear mace.

I would prefer a scene from the Sword of Truth series, where a group of protestors attempt to block the hero and his men, which results in a Conan/Braveheart type charge thru said protestors.

55 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:49:40pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

One idiot shoots a doctor, and the loons swarm.

56 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:49:44pm

re: #43 Dianna

In emails.

That's profoundly a bad idea.

Yup. Nothing like leaving a written record of your collusion, and transmitting it across state lines.

57 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:49:45pm

re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet had there been such a large public acceptance before? I don't remember it being so out in the open.

I think this can be chalked up to improved communications and the anonymity of the web. Folks can now seek like-minded out without too much trouble and organize and so forth without having to travel or risk exposing themselves until the moment to act comes.

58 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:49:57pm

re: #26 zombie

It's 1993 all over again.

Correction, 1933.

59 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:50:18pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Do they actually think they'll get away with it?

This could be a provocation - you know, someone reports this to the authorities (as they should, as decent citizens), and the authorities come swooping in. Then the emailers begin caterwauling about how they're being persecuted.

Or, they could be serious, and not have thought it through. Sometimes, people are that stupid and wrong-headed.

60 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:50:32pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Correction, 1933.

Buy that man a cigar, and a cracker for his parrot!

61 ladycatnip  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:50:37pm

Gotta share this great OT:

"We didn't know he was Clarence Thomas". Two high school students taking a plane back home are sitting next to Clarence Thomas (in coach, btw), invited him to speak at their graduation and he actually does!

Heartwarming story.

62 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:51:12pm

I wonder if DHS will get interested in this and get a few warrants to hack into computers.

63 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:51:15pm

re: #49 DEZes

Hey, I am not on the menu.
*RUNS AWAY*

You're supposed to give old troll a boot to the seat!

64 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:51:15pm

re: #19 Charles

I've seen devout Catholics praying the rosary at abortion clinics. I actually don't have a problem with protests, as long as the protesters obey the law.

65 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:51:46pm

re: #53 MandyManners

One word: Internet.

Guess I'm an old fashioned dude. Threats of violence against someone is still criminal in my view.

I am not saying by any stretch of the imagination you are condoning such activities. I know you are as appalled by such as I am.

66 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:52:03pm

re: #59 Dianna

This could be a provocation - you know, someone reports this to the authorities (as they should, as decent citizens), and the authorities come swooping in. Then the emailers begin caterwauling about how they're being persecuted.

Or, they could be serious, and not have thought it through. Sometimes, people are that stupid and wrong-headed.

Too bad for them that stupidity is not a defense.

67 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:52:05pm

re: #59 Dianna

This could be a provocation - you know, someone reports this to the authorities (as they should, as decent citizens), and the authorities come swooping in. Then the emailers begin caterwauling about how they're being persecuted.

Or, they could be serious, and not have thought it through. Sometimes, people are that stupid and wrong-headed.

As an example, just look at the stuff people will put on Facebook or My Space pages. They act like they're having a rather crude quiet converstion in a closed room.

68 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:52:30pm

re: #54 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I would prefer a scene from the Sword of Truth series, where a group of protestors attempt to block the hero and his men, which results in a Conan/Braveheart type charge thru said protestors.

I can't see Conan O'Brien getting very far. And Mel Gibson would definitely be on the other side of that conflict.

But maybe we could give Conan an amped-up cattle prod.

69 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:53:04pm

re: #63 Dianna

You're supposed to give old troll a boot to the seat!

I ran away and found a billy goat.

70 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:53:31pm

re: #65 FurryOldGuyJeans

Guess I'm an old fashioned dude. Threats of violence against someone is still criminal in my view.

I am not saying by any stretch of the imagination you are condoning such activities. I know you are as appalled by such as I am.

As I noted above, these folks could be committing conspiracy and doing so over the Internet which could bring the feds knocking at some doors.

71 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:53:46pm

re: #69 DEZes

I ran away and found a billy goat.

Now that was really gruff, especially if you found one under a bridge.

72 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:54:01pm

re: #66 MandyManners

Too bad for them that stupidity is not a defense.

No, but it is self-punishing.

73 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:54:17pm

re: #66 MandyManners

Too bad for them that stupidity is not a defense.

German pro-verb says: "Dummheit schützt vor Strafe nicht"
Stupidity doesn't protect you from being punished.

74 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:54:17pm

re: #59 Dianna

This could be a provocation - you know, someone reports this to the authorities (as they should, as decent citizens), and the authorities come swooping in. Then the emailers begin caterwauling about how they're being persecuted.

Or, they could be serious, and not have thought it through. Sometimes, people are that stupid and wrong-headed.

I'm going with the not-thinking-clearly explanation. Nowadays, any such confrontation will involve extensive videotaping by the police to head off just such complaints.

75 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:54:27pm

re: #72 Dianna

No, but it is self-punishing.

Nope, the ones hardest hit by it are too damned dense to feel the pain.

76 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:55:00pm

re: #19 Charles

Is this the conservative equivalent to Ezara Klein's Journal-list thing?

77 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:55:31pm

re: #72 Dianna

No, but it is self-punishing.

Especially how it drains the bank account to pay legal retainers.

78 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:55:55pm

re: #75 Guanxi88

Nope, the ones hardest hit by it are too damned dense to feel the pain.

Maybe I'm a cruel, heartless bastard, but I don't have any sympathy for the criminally stupid.

79 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:56:23pm

re: #73 callahan23

German pro-verb says: "Dummheit schützt vor Strafe nicht"
Stupidity doesn't protect you from being punished.

I get this view of Helga in thigh-high, black boots, cracking a whip.

80 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:56:45pm

re: #78 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe I'm a cruel, heartless bastard, but I don't have any sympathy for the criminally stupid.

Me neither, never had, never will.

81 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:57:17pm

re: #79 MandyManners

This is Helga, lol

82 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:57:59pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Especially how it drains the bank account to pay legal retainers.

Oh, yes.

Though my bet would be that the police (or whichever agency is watching) would wait for overt preparations (beyond the email). Little as I approve of this chatter, if it stays chatter....

83 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:58:14pm

re: #79 MandyManners

I get this view of Helga in thigh-high, black boots, cracking a whip.

Oh, aren't there save-guarding words to protect you from the most severe punishment? /

84 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:58:23pm

re: #68 SixDegrees

I can't see Conan O'Brien getting very far. And Mel Gibson would definitely be on the other side of that conflict.

But maybe we could give Conan an amped-up cattle prod.

Different Conan

85 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:58:25pm

re: #81 hans ze beeman

This is Helga, lol

Her upper arms are bigger than my thighs.

86 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:58:39pm

re: #81 hans ze beeman

This is Helga, lol

Dude!

87 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:59:04pm

One responsible thing you could do would be to forward said emails to the FBI. In light of recent events I'm sure it would be taken seriously.

88 code red 21  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:59:10pm

re: #61 ladycatnip

Gotta share this great OT:

"We didn't know he was Clarence Thomas". Two high school students taking a plane back home are sitting next to Clarence Thomas (in coach, btw), invited him to speak at their graduation and he actually does!

Heartwarming story.


I deeply admire Justice Thomas and want to thank-you for sharing this bit of positive news.

89 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:59:31pm

re: #82 Dianna

Oh, yes.

Though my bet would be that the police (or whichever agency is watching) would wait for overt preparations (beyond the email). Little as I approve of this chatter, if it stays chatter....

As much as I would normally want the police to be bored with no work, in this instance a bit of work would be wonderfully efficacious. Smooth out the rough edges on the fringe.

90 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:59:35pm

re: #82 Dianna

Oh, yes.

Though my bet would be that the police (or whichever agency is watching) would wait for overt preparations (beyond the email). Little as I approve of this chatter, if it stays chatter....

I hope someone is watching.

91 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:59:37pm

re: #85 MandyManners

Her upper arms are bigger than my thighs.

Steroids can result in marvelous things (well... for some, obviously)

92 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:59:41pm

re: #82 Dianna

Oh, yes.

Though my bet would be that the police (or whichever agency is watching) would wait for overt preparations (beyond the email). Little as I approve of this chatter, if it stays chatter....

Agreed. In fact, I would encourage the chatter. It gives the authorities detailed insights on what's going on and what's being planned.

93 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:59:58pm

re: #81 hans ze beeman

This is Helga, lol

That's a man, baby!

94 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 2:59:59pm

re: #83 callahan23

Oh, aren't there save-guarding words to protect you from the most severe punishment? /

Ick.

95 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:00:09pm

re: #83 callahan23

Oh, aren't there save-guarding words to protect you from the most severe punishment? /

Yes, "safe-words" they're called; all part of the whole consensual non-consensualism scene.

....... or so I've heard from a fellow who accidentally overheard a conversation about it, on his way to volunteer at the soup kitchen by the orphanage. Personally, I know nothing of any such things.

96 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:00:27pm

re: #93 opnion

That's a man, baby!

Actually, I don't really want to... know

97 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:01:03pm

re: #86 DEZes

Dude!

with t*ts?
Yech.

98 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:01:47pm

re: #96 hans ze beeman

Actually, I don't really want to... know

Yeah, better to remain a mystery.

99 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:02:00pm

re: #79 MandyManners

I get this view of Helga in thigh-high, black boots, cracking a whip.

I always wanted to go to Helga!

100 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:02:07pm

re: #81 hans ze beeman

This is Helga, lol

Women who could snap me like a twig with their thighs just don't appeal to me. Sorry, Helga.

101 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:02:12pm

re: #95 Guanxi88

Guys talk, ya hear things.

/

102 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:02:28pm

re: #87 Conservative Moonbat

One responsible thing you could do would be to forward said emails to the FBI. In light of recent events I'm sure it would be taken seriously.

I don't think that's appropriate. If this turns into real action, maybe then. Right now it's all hypothetical stuff.

103 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:02:32pm

re: #97 callahan23

with t*ts?
Yech.

You never heard of Leslie, then, have you? Perennial mayoral candidate here in Austin.

104 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:02:45pm

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

I always wanted to go to Helga!

Closest I ever got was Helen Waite, the credit manager at EVERY icehouse in Texas!

105 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:03:24pm

re: #102 Charles

I don't think that's appropriate. If this turns into real action, maybe then. Right now it's all hypothetical stuff.

Let's hope and pray it stays that way, hypothetical and all talk.

106 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:03:40pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

Guys talk, ya hear things.

/

"People do things. It's a proven fact." - Master Shake

107 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:03:50pm

re: #97 callahan23

with t*ts?
Yech.

Not a pleasant thought at all.
One thing is for certain, I would never call her a bitch.
*Helga crush*

108 gtrs  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:04:14pm

sanity has broken out in texas; HOOK 'EM HORNS

109 Liberal Classic  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:04:55pm

re: #81 hans ze beeman

This is Helga, lol

Death by snoo snoo.

110 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:05:19pm

re: #109 Liberal Classic

Death by snoo snoo.

"Baby, it'll rock your world."

/Zap Brannigan

111 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:05:41pm

re: #109 Liberal Classic

Death by snoo snoo.

It can happen.

112 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:06:09pm

re: #109 Liberal Classic

Death by snoo snoo.

What's "snoo snoo"?

113 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:06:27pm

re: #111 hans ze beeman

It can happen.

I hope thats a photochop.

114 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:06:40pm

re: #112 MandyManners

What's "snoo snoo"?

Futurama; there's this planet of Amazon giants, ruled by a fem-bot.

115 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:07:18pm

re: #114 Guanxi88

Futurama; there's this planet of Amazon giants, ruled by a fem-bot.

Fem-bot voiced by Bea Arthur, if memory serves.

116 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:07:23pm

re: #113 DEZes

I hope thats a photochop.

No, I've seen that before, it's real. She's a giant.

117 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:07:39pm

re: #106 Guanxi88

"People do things. It's a proven fact." - Master Shake

"I wasn't born yesterday, you know - I've seen movies."

118 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:07:40pm

re: #114 Guanxi88

Futurama; there's this planet of Amazon giants, ruled by a fem-bot.

The one known as Zap shall be snoo-snooed by the LARGE women.

/

119 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:07:51pm

re: #115 Guanxi88

Fem-bot voiced by Bea Arthur, if memory serves.

RIP (Arthur I mean)

120 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:08:20pm

re: #115 Guanxi88

Fem-bot voiced by Bea Arthur, if memory serves.

I miss Bea. She was no shy wallflower.

121 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:08:21pm

re: #118 OldLineTexan

The one known as Zap shall be snoo-snooed by the LARGE women.

/

And then the petite women, and then the large women again

"Be soft... this be Helga's first time"

122 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:08:40pm

re: #116 Walter L. Newton

No, I've seen that before, it's real. She's a giant.

I hope that guys not picking her up for a date then.

123 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:08:47pm

re: #114 Guanxi88

Futurama; there's this planet of Amazon giants, ruled by a fem-bot.

The show in which the robot says "bite my shiny, metal ass"?

124 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:08:58pm

re: #113 DEZes

I hope thats a photochop.

No, it's real, see here

125 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:10:10pm

re: #124 hans ze beeman

No, it's real, see here

What Luke and Yoda SHOULD have looked like.

/

126 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:10:13pm

re: #123 MandyManners

The show in which the robot says "bite my shiny, metal ass"?

Yep, that's Bender Bending Rodriguez; he seduces the fem-bot ruler of the planet.

127 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:10:53pm

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

I miss Bea. She was no shy wallflower.

I met her once, it was about 1971 or so, NYC, at the closing performance of Neil Simon's "The Good Doctor" staring Christopher Plummer. She was sitting behind me with her husband. We talked, very friendly person, she has a bunch of roses to throw up on stage at the final curtian.

128 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:11:30pm

re: #123 MandyManners

The show in which the robot says "bite my shiny, metal ass"?

That's from a show? My boss says that to me all the time.

129 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:12:02pm

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

That's from a show? My boss says that to me all the time.

Stealing it from Futurama.

130 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:12:10pm

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

That's from a show? My boss says that to me all the time.

The proper response is "I'll miss you, meatbag."

/

131 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:12:16pm

re: #126 Guanxi88

Yep, that's Bender Bending Rodriguez; he seduces the fem-bot ruler of the planet.

Now we've come full-circle from:

re: #79 MandyManners

I get this view of Helga in thigh-high, black boots, cracking a whip.

132 hans ze beeman  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:12:26pm

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

That's from a show? My boss says that to me all the time.

Is he greedy, mostly angry and was produced in Mexico?

133 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #61 ladycatnip

Gotta share this great OT:

"We didn't know he was Clarence Thomas". Two high school students taking a plane back home are sitting next to Clarence Thomas (in coach, btw), invited him to speak at their graduation and he actually does!

Heartwarming story.

That's GREAT! Thanks for posting it.

134 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:12:54pm

re: #129 FurryOldGuyJeans

Stealing it from Futurama.

re: #130 OldLineTexan

The proper response is "I'll miss you, meatbag."

/

I was missing the sarc tag. My boss doesn't say that, he doesn't even speak English.
////

135 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:13:11pm

re: #132 hans ze beeman

Is he greedy, mostly angry and was produced in Mexico?

And consume alcohol for fuel and belch fire?

136 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:14:07pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

I was missing the sarc tag. My boss doesn't say that, he doesn't even speak English.
////

Ah. You work for the Greys, too, eh?

/these guys think we treated the cows poorly

137 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:14:49pm

re: #135 FurryOldGuyJeans

And consume alcohol for fuel and belch fire?

Bender's favorite beer - Olde Fortran

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:14:58pm

re: #131 callahan23

What do you expect? No trolls for us to whack so far. We have to find our amusements some how.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:15:03pm

re: #19 Charles

On a mailing list I belong to, a bunch of conservative bloggers are now talking about engaging in "civil disobedience" at abortion clinics.

Great. Their timing is impeccable. I may soon have to get my birth control at Planned Parenthood, rather than Kaiser. For some reason, Kaiser never gets protestors, but PP constantly has some guy with gory pictures screaming "Spare your child!" at me and the terrified pregnant ladies coming for their prenatal checkups.

140 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:15:28pm

re: #136 OldLineTexan

Ah. You work for the Greys, too, eh?

/these guys think we treated the cows poorly

No, my guys are GRAY. And we started it all, right here in Colorado, we had the first mutilation, Snippy.

141 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:15:54pm

Any bets that when the FBI goes to the Mosque of the shooter at the Recruiters office, his Imam will say something like, "This is a total shock, he was so pious."

142 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:16:14pm

re: #136 OldLineTexan

Ah. You work for the Greys, too, eh?

/these guys think we treated the cows poorly

Ahem! Avatar. ;)

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:16:58pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I said it before, I'll say it again:

What took the Left 8 years to achieve during the last administration, the level of kookery and outright insanity, is taking the Right less than 6 months. We are so screwed.

The Right had eight years before that to get into good fighting fit. The Clinton years brought some bad crazy out of the woodwork.

144 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:17:51pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Great. Their timing is impeccable. I may soon have to get my birth control at Planned Parenthood, rather than Kaiser. For some reason, Kaiser never gets protestors, but PP constantly has some guy with gory pictures screaming "Spare your child!" at me and the terrified pregnant ladies coming for their prenatal checkups.

1) Get a pregnant lady shirt
2) Stuff with pillow or other bump
3) Load your purse up heavy
4) When confronted, either:
(a) Beat the pillow with your purse and scream OUT! OUT!
(b) Snatch the pillow out, throw it at them while screaming YOU KEEP IT!

/hilarity ensues

145 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:17:51pm

I found a link, Ron Paul and Cattle Mutilations... oh my...

[Link: www.suite101.com...]

146 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:18:24pm

re: #142 DEZes

Ahem! Avatar. ;)

Sorry, Boss.

/back to work probing

147 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:18:58pm

re: #117 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"I wasn't born yesterday, you know - I've seen movies."

I haven't paid taxes in six years, and I'm not getting busted by a damn sandwich.

We don't need a toilet. The pile of clothes in the hallway has worked fine for us for years, and it will continue to work.

No, Frylock, The Highlander was a documentary, and events happened in real time.

Plaque is a figment of the liberal media and the dental industry to scare you into buying useless appliances and pastes. Now, I've heard the arguments on both sides, and there is nothing to convince me of the need to brush your teeth. I got rid of my teeth at a young age because... I'm straight. Teeth are for gay people. That's why fairies come and get them.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:19:07pm

re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet had there been such a large public acceptance before? I don't remember it being so out in the open.

Yes. I had friends in the 90s who spent every Saturday morning for years getting women in and out of health clinics.

149 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:19:10pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

The Right had eight years before that to get into good fighting fit. The Clinton years brought some bad crazy out of the woodwork.

And the Left had 12 with Reagan and Bush 41, and Nixon/Ford, and Carter got it from both sides. Sigh, partisan politics all the way down.

150 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:19:25pm

re: #121 hans ze beeman

And then the petite women, and then the large women again

"Be soft... this be Helga's first time"

One of the girls was fat and pink and pretty,
As round above as she was round below,
We swore that she was padded from her shoulders to her heels,
But later in the second act when she began to peel,
We found that everything she had was absolutely real,
She went about as far as she could go, yes sir,
She went about as far as she could go...

- Oklahoma!; Everything's Up To Date In Kansas City

151 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:19:34pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

The Right had eight years before that to get into good fighting fit. The Clinton years brought some bad crazy out of the woodwork.

Didn't it, though? Man, some of the stuff I was hearing!

152 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:19:38pm

re: #146 OldLineTexan

Sorry, Boss.

/back to work probing

Its beer 30.
Put your probe away. ;)

153 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:19:48pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

I found a link, Ron Paul and Cattle Mutilations... oh my...

[Link: www.suite101.com...]

Now if we see a Grey at a Tea Party with a swastika on his armband ...

154 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:19:58pm

re: #144 OldLineTexan

1) Get a pregnant lady shirt
2) Stuff with pillow or other bump
3) Load your purse up heavy
4) When confronted, either:
(a) Beat the pillow with your purse and scream OUT! OUT!
(b) Snatch the pillow out, throw it at them while screaming YOU KEEP IT!

/hilarity ensues

I just spat out a mouthfull of smoke.

155 Irish Rose  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:20:22pm

Reading the conservative blogs this afternoon I see people simultaneously supporting the conservative Christian murderer of an abortionist, whilst damning the Muslim murderer of a recruiting officer.

Words fail me.

156 DEZes  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:20:30pm

re: #153 OldLineTexan

Now if we see a Grey at a Tea Party with a swastika on his armband ...

Space Nazi's! I hate those guys.

157 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:21:03pm

re: #147 Guanxi88
How many ash*les did you need to channel all that?

158 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:21:19pm

re: #154 MandyManners

Trust me, I know how to have fun.

159 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:21:27pm

re: #144 OldLineTexan

1) Get a pregnant lady shirt
2) Stuff with pillow or other bump
3) Load your purse up heavy
4) When confronted, either:
(a) Beat the pillow with your purse and scream OUT! OUT!
(b) Snatch the pillow out, throw it at them while screaming YOU KEEP IT!

/hilarity ensues

LOL!

160 Egregious Philbin  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:21:41pm

Another victory against the lumbering laggard lamebrains of ludditry.

Praise Xenu!

161 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:21:47pm

re: #157 callahan23

How many ash*les did you need to channel all that?

I thought it was hysterical. Oh, well.

162 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:22:03pm

re: #157 callahan23

How many ash*les did you need to channel all that?

Hey, I work in an office full of them, Like Rick Moranis on Spaceballs.

163 Dianna  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:22:06pm

I'm out.

Take care, all.

164 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:22:24pm

re: #161 Dianna

I thought it was hysterical. Oh, well.

ATHF is an acquired taste.

165 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:22:49pm

re: #155 Irish Rose

Reading the conservative blogs this afternoon I see people simultaneously supporting the conservative Christian murderer of an abortionist, whilst damning the Muslim murderer of a recruiting officer.

Words fail me.

How ironic.
The power of positive twisted thinking.

166 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:23:23pm

Time for group therapy. Elsewhere, that is.

/be nice

/if you can't be nice, be careful

/if you can't be careful, be somewhere else when the cops show

167 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:23:39pm

re: #155 Irish Rose

Reading the conservative blogs this afternoon I see people simultaneously supporting the conservative Christian murderer of an abortionist, whilst damning the Muslim murderer of a recruiting officer.

Words fail me.

There's support for the murder of Dr. Tiller all over the right-wing blogosphere, usually prefaced with disclaimers about how murder is wrong ... BUT.

It's appalling.

168 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:24:03pm

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

How ironic.
The power of positive twisted thinking.

No thinking involved, just lots of feelings.

169 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:24:18pm

re: #166 OldLineTexan

Time for group therapy. Elsewhere, that is.

/be nice

/if you can't be nice, be careful

/if you can't be careful, be somewhere else when the cops show

Burroughs:

" 'Oh well,' I say, tapping my arm, "duty calls. As one judge said to another: be just, and if you can't be just, be arbitrary.'"

170 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:26:08pm

re: #167 Charles

There's support for the murder of Dr. Tiller all over the right-wing blogosphere, usually prefaced with disclaimers about how murder is wrong ... BUT.

It's appalling.

Sure tip off that you're dealing with a dangerous person, they'll say (INSERT ATROCITY OR OUTRAGE HERE) is wrong, and then say "but".

171 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:26:21pm

Old Testament Justice, Aversion to Modern Science.

Just what century is this?

172 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:26:43pm

re: #162 Guanxi88

Hey, I work in an office full of them, Like Rick Moranis on Spaceballs.

So you didn't have to channel anybody after all. (I don't believe in that crap anyway.)
Poor you having to listen in on such loons must wear you out quite some ay?
So is Lizardia the right antidote.

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:27:06pm

re: #144 OldLineTexan

1) Get a pregnant lady shirt
2) Stuff with pillow or other bump
3) Load your purse up heavy
4) When confronted, either:
(a) Beat the pillow with your purse and scream OUT! OUT!
(b) Snatch the pillow out, throw it at them while screaming YOU KEEP IT!

/hilarity ensues

It's entirely too tempting.

174 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:27:23pm

"Antievolution bills die in Texas"

Praise be to God.

175 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:27:26pm

re: #172 callahan23

So you didn't have to channel anybody after all. (I don't believe in that crap anyway.)
Poor you having to listen in on such loons must wear you out quite some ay?
So is Lizardia the right antidote.

Sad to say, but coming to my main gig is the best part of my day.

176 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:28:08pm

re: #147 Guanxi88

I haven't paid taxes in six years, and I'm not getting busted by a damn sandwich.

We don't need a toilet. The pile of clothes in the hallway has worked fine for us for years, and it will continue to work.

No, Frylock, The Highlander was a documentary, and events happened in real time.

Plaque is a figment of the liberal media and the dental industry to scare you into buying useless appliances and pastes. Now, I've heard the arguments on both sides, and there is nothing to convince me of the need to brush your teeth. I got rid of my teeth at a young age because... I'm straight. Teeth are for gay people. That's why fairies come and get them.

You tell me a lot of things, but that doesn't mean I have to listen.

177 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:29:11pm

re: #171 FurryOldGuyJeans

Old Testament Justice, Aversion to Modern Science.

Just what century is this?

It isn't even Old Testament justice; judgment is explicitly reserved for God, without benefit of second-guessing. It's mob rule.

178 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:29:56pm

re: #156 DEZes

Space Nazi's! I hate those guys.

You mean these guys?

179 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:31:27pm

re: #156 DEZes

Space Nazi's! I hate those guys.

re: #178 Guanxi88

You mean these guys?

Howsabout some reptilians in the Nazi/UFO stew?

180 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:31:59pm

re: #178 Guanxi88

You mean these guys?

Well, that explains Dennis Kucinich.

181 Irish Rose  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:32:10pm

re: #167 Charles

There's support for the murder of Dr. Tiller all over the right-wing blogosphere, usually prefaced with disclaimers about how murder is wrong ... BUT.

It's appalling.

It is appalling.
I won't go so far as to say that every fundamentalist Christian supports murder or is prone to violence, because that would be intellectually dishonest. But this incident certainly offers ample proof that far too many of them DO and ARE, if they deem that the cause is "just".

I'm very glad to see you working so hard to expose the extreme right, Charles.... the exposure is long overdue, and absolutely necessary.

Keep up the good work.

182 freetoken  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:32:49pm

The latest CNN poll shows that Huckabee has pulled even with Palin as the head of the pack of Republican leaders for 2012.

Any relevance to recent subjects?

183 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:32:54pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

Well, that explains Dennis Kucinich.

They have a secret lunar base, you know.

184 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:33:09pm

re: #179 Guanxi88

Howsabout some reptilians in the Nazi/UFO stew?

That clinches it, they have a hand drawn postcard. Did Herr Hitler paint it?

185 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #182 freetoken

The latest CNN poll shows that Huckabee has pulled even with Palin as the head of the pack of Republican leaders for 2012.

Any relevance to recent subjects?

If Huckabee is a front runner, I'll need extra mouthwash to rinse the taste of gunmetal from out of my mouth.

/

186 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:34:33pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

That clinches it, they have a hand drawn postcard. Did Herr Hitler paint it?

No, because there are half-decent representations of human beings in it. Interestingly, Hitler's depictions of people were always kinda weird - a common trait for, among others, schizophrenics.

187 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:35:02pm

re: #183 Guanxi88

They have a secret lunar base, you know.

I use to be very much into paranormal research, but I was on the sceptic side. Had over a thousand reference books and papers in my collection in the 1970's. This stuff keeps getting recycled about every 15 years or so. I've seen it all.

188 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:35:53pm

re: #179 Guanxi88

Howsabout some reptilians in the Nazi/UFO stew?

A while back, on one of the cable documentary channels, History channel IIRC, I caught bits and pieces of some super secret Nazi plot to destroy the Earth if Germany were to lose the war by having a large bomb bore to the core and detonate. Supposedly the scientists on the project stopped the "go ahead" message from being implemented.

189 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:36:17pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

I use to be very much into paranormal research, but I was on the sceptic side. Had over a thousand reference books and papers in my collection in the 1970's. This stuff keeps getting recycled about every 15 years or so. I've seen it all.

Yep, there is no new thing under the sun. Now, on the moon, however....

Yeah, it is funny how this kinda stuff is all based on folk quoting each other as authorities. As incestuous as a literary criticism department at any decent university.

190 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:36:39pm

re: #186 Guanxi88

No, because there are half-decent representations of human beings in it. Interestingly, Hitler's depictions of people were always kinda weird - a common trait for, among others, schizophrenics.

BB tomorrow morning.

Going up to my girlfriends in the mountains. It's 46 in Golden right now, that means it will be below freezing tonight at 8200 feet and there is a possibility of snow, on June 2nd. Got to love Colorado.

191 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:36:43pm

re: #183 Guanxi88

They have a secret lunar base, you know.

Have you seen who is responible:

Vladimir Terziski,
President,- American Academy of Dissident Sciences,
10970 Ashton Ave. #31*, Los Angeles, CA 900**,
phone and fax: USA-(***)-***-****.

WTF

192 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:36:50pm

re: #182 freetoken

The latest CNN poll shows that Huckabee has pulled even with Palin as the head of the pack of Republican leaders for 2012.

Any relevance to recent subjects?


Huckabbe can't be elected in my view & Sarah Palin has been so mauled that she probably can't make it either.
Romney looks like the best choice to have a chance against BHO

193 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:37:38pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

I use to be very much into paranormal research, but I was on the sceptic side. Had over a thousand reference books and papers in my collection in the 1970's. This stuff keeps getting recycled about every 15 years or so. I've seen it all.

I found it more than a bit ironic that Star Trek: Enterprise used the Nazi Reptilian BS and tried to make fans take it serious.

194 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:39:18pm

re: #191 callahan23

WTF

Hey. I'm the founding member and president of the Center for the Advanced Study of Hermeneutics. We take checks for donations, you know...

195 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:39:45pm

re: #192 opnion

Romney looks like the best choice to have a chance against BHO


I agree but with the ongoing purge of moderates I think he might have a hard time getting the nomination. As I recall he doesn't have much history as a tax cutter so the John Galt crowd might sink him and some Christians have issues with his Mormon religion. Those numbers show more support for him than I would have guessed.

196 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:40:46pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I said it before, I'll say it again:

What took the Left 8 years to achieve during the last administration, the level of kookery and outright insanity, is taking the Right less than 6 months. We are so screwed.

And I reply again:
8 years? What the fuck are you talking about? Where were you in 1967?
The left has been unhinged since Maynard G. Crebs said "WORK?!?"
maybe even longer..........and also, the WHOLE "Right" is not pro-life.

197 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:40:50pm

re: #182 freetoken

The latest CNN poll shows that Huckabee has pulled even with Palin as the head of the pack of Republican leaders for 2012.

Any relevance to recent subjects?

The poll was conducted in mid-May. It shows Huckabee, Palin and Romney each with around 20%, with the remainder scattered in another clump around Gingrich, Jeb Bush and somebody else, all with around 10%.

I'd say it's completely meaningless.

198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:42:01pm

re: #182 freetoken

The latest CNN poll shows that Huckabee has pulled even with Palin as the head of the pack of Republican leaders for 2012.

Any relevance to recent subjects?

I distrust any poll on general purposes, and one from the FMSM to be extremely toxic in the specific. Why let CNN define the GOP and the debate any way?

199 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:42:18pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

I agree but with the ongoing purge of moderates I think he might have a hard time getting the nomination. As I recall he doesn't have much history as a tax cutter so the John Galt crowd might sink him and some Christians have issues with his Mormon religion. Those numbers show more support for him than I would have guessed.

Some good points, but if the Republicans want to replace Obama to me Romney is the best hope. Even then , if there is no scandal it will be an uphill effort.

200 callahan23  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:43:52pm

re: #194 Guanxi88

Hey. I'm the founding member and president of the Center for the Advanced Study of Hermeneutics. We take checks for donations, you know...

And I am the high priest of "GimmeAlYourMoneyQuick" church.
We are all out with our goals. We don't like forked tongue speeches'zzss. ;-)

201 JacksonTn  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:44:23pm

re: #199 opnion

Some good points, but if the Republicans want to replace Obama to me Romney is the best hope. Even then , if there is no scandal it will be an uphill effort.

opnion ... it may be an uphill battle but one that needs to be fought ... the mask is beginning to slip on Obama ... it will continue to do so ... he cannot hide his true self forever ...

202 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:44:27pm

re: #199 opnion

Agreed. Anyways I don't the the GOP is healthy enough to be back in power yet. Maybe in 8 years. I just hope they don't come back into power by default before they are ready for it.

203 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:44:43pm

re: #196 IslandLibertarian

I don't talk to rude people. Bye now.

204 freetoken  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:45:41pm

re: #197 SixDegrees

I'd say it's completely meaningless.

"Meaning" is a tough concept... What the poll does show is that from the slightly over 1010 Adult Americans surveyed, the two most popular/well known Republicans are creationists, and rather religious ones at that.

This gets at the identity issue of the GOP - that of backwards anti-scientific bumpkins. Yes, Romney is an East-coast elite type, but he demonstrated quite well last year his need to go to Texas and do obeisance to the so-con crowd.

205 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:46:02pm

re: #200 callahan23

And I am the high priest of "GimmeAlYourMoneyQuick" church.
We are all out with our goals. We don't like forked tongue speeches'zzss. ;-)

I always thought that a cult, based on reincarnation, near-death experiences, and the Atlantis mythology would go quite far. The NDE thing would be one of the sacraments of the faith, and, thanks to reincarnation, you can leave your estate in the hands of the Community of Universal Love and Truth, where we'll hold onto it for you till you come back.

206 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:46:21pm

God damn jumper on the bridge to get out of work. Bastard.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:46:25pm

re: #186 Guanxi88

No, because there are half-decent representations of human beings in it. Interestingly, Hitler's depictions of people were always kinda weird - a common trait for, among others, schizophrenics.

Read a very interesting article a while back, which compared Churchill, Hitler and Eisenhower as artists. Apparently Hitler took himself the most seriously, Eisenhower thought of it as a hobby, and Churchill was the best of the lot, but realized he didn't have time to develop his talent. They all did landscapes, which it was suggested might be a leader's preference, but I suspect it was also what men of that generation learned to do in art class.

208 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:46:42pm

re: #190 Walter L. Newton

BB tomorrow morning.

Going up to my girlfriends in the mountains. It's 46 in Golden right now, that means it will be below freezing tonight at 8200 feet and there is a possibility of snow, on June 2nd. Got to love Colorado.

I hiked across knee deep snow by California peak in July. It is just above the Great Sand Dunes National Monument. Great climbing area. The Sand Dunes were a bitch to hike across.

209 tradewind  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:46:51pm

re: #155 Irish Rose

The muslim convert who shot the army recruiter is a perfect snapshot of how radical Islamists can recruit disaffected young inmates in American prisons, convert them, and indirectly or directly, get them to carry out individual acts of terror against the infidels.
Just another reason why none of the Gitmo detainees can be relocated to prisons in the US.

210 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:47:31pm

re: #192 opnion

Huckabbe can't be elected in my view & Sarah Palin has been so mauled that she probably can't make it either.
Romney looks like the best choice to have a chance against BHO

The Teleprompter Jesus is going to be with us til 2016.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:47:37pm

re: #192 opnion

Huckabbe can't be elected in my view & Sarah Palin has been so mauled that she probably can't make it either.
Romney looks like the best choice to have a chance against BHO

He was from the beginning, in the view of this Hillary voter.

212 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:47:42pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Great. Their timing is impeccable. I may soon have to get my birth control at Planned Parenthood, rather than Kaiser. For some reason, Kaiser never gets protestors, but PP constantly has some guy with gory pictures screaming "Spare your child!" at me and the terrified pregnant ladies coming for their prenatal checkups.

Abortion protesters don't seem to realize that Planned Parenthood provides many essential services to women (a lot of low income women) including regular female check-ups, and affordable birth control. It makes me very angry at times when people fail to appreciate the other services Planned Parenthood provides. If it wasn't for them, there would be more unplanned pregnancies that might turn into abortions.

213 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:47:52pm

re: #196 IslandLibertarian

And I reply again:
8 years? What the fuck are you talking about? Where were you in 1967?
The left has been unhinged since Maynard G. Crebs said "WORK?!?"
maybe even longer..........and also, the WHOLE "Right" is not pro-life.

You been hangin' out with Zelda again, Dobie?

214 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:48:29pm

re: #201 JacksonTn

opnion ... it may be an uphill battle but one that needs to be fought ... the mask is beginning to slip on Obama ... it will continue to do so ... he cannot hide his true self forever ...

He has the MSM & they are far from deserting him. That doesn't mean that he can't be beat.

215 gtrs  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:48:46pm

re: #192 opnion well; are you talking general election or primary? romney did poorly with the base last go round where huckabee managed to hold his own pretty well considering he had scant financing and romney was loaded with cash

216 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:49:01pm

re: #212 Sharmuta

Abortion protesters don't seem to realize that Planned Parenthood provides many essential services to women (a lot of low income women) including regular female check-ups, and affordable birth control.

They don't care about any of that. They've made up their minds.

217 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:49:13pm

re: #206 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

God damn jumper on the bridge to get out of work. Bastard.

Give him a push like that Chinese guy did last week in China.

218 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:49:33pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Anyways I don't the the GOP is healthy enough to be back in power yet. Maybe in 8 years. I just hope they don't come back into power by default before they are ready for it.

Eight years is a long time & I think that Obama can do some real damage in four, much less eight.

219 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:49:35pm

re: #203 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't talk to rude people. Bye now.

Ah yes, the classic tactic of "left wing fanatics" when faced with facts.
Avoid answering by slander.
Learning well grasshopper furry.........

220 JacksonTn  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:49:37pm

re: #214 opnion

He has the MSM & they are far from deserting him. That doesn't mean that he can't be beat.

opnion ... that is true about the MSM but that does not mean that we can just sit down and do nothing ... it is a long time until the next election ... anything can happen ... I will not give up without a fight ...

221 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:49:55pm

re: #210 Truck Monkey

The Teleprompter Jesus is going to be with us til 2016.

And the poor, will always be with us; and because TJ loves them so much, he'll make sure to swell their numbers.

222 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:50:17pm

re: #216 Guanxi88

They don't care about any of that. They've made up their minds.

Letting women be anything but chattel doesn't seem to be any part of their world view.

223 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:50:25pm

re: #212 Sharmuta

Abortion protesters don't seem to realize that Planned Parenthood provides many essential services to women (a lot of low income women) including regular female check-ups, and affordable birth control.

Yeah, I think that's part of the agenda. Most of these groups aren't in favor of birth control or sex education.

224 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #221 Guanxi88

And the poor, will always be with us; and because TJ loves them so much, he'll make sure to swell their numbers.

May we avoid being among their number.

225 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:51:31pm

re: #215 gtrs

well; are you talking general election or primary? romney did poorly with the base last go round where huckabee managed to hold his own pretty well considering he had scant financing and romney was loaded with cash

Actually Romney did well in closed primary stats & McCain probably could not have made it without independents in the open primaries.
Huckabee stated stong, then faded.

226 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:51:40pm

re: #213 Capitalist Tool

You been hangin' out with Zelda again, Dobie?

Me an' Chatsworth are going to motor on down to Miami to check out some skirts. Zelda is Gay ya know.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:51:41pm

re: #212 Sharmuta

Abortion protesters don't seem to realize that Planned Parenthood provides many essential services to women (a lot of low income women) including regular female check-ups, and affordable birth control. It makes me very angry at times when people fail to appreciate the other services Planned Parenthood provides. If it wasn't for them, there would be more unplanned pregnancies that might turn into abortions.

Thank you. Yes, they do a ton of good work, and they're wonderful, and they're constant targets. I really don't understand why Kaiser, say, doesn't attract the protests, but PP always does.

228 tradewind  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:51:48pm

re: #210 Truck Monkey

TOTUS is not going to lose a re-election bid absent some dramatic circumstance, so the GOP would be better off preparing to try to recoup losses in the House and Senate, where there are more than a few democrats who are low hanging fruit for picking off in '10 and '12.

229 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:52:30pm

re: #220 JacksonTn

opnion ... that is true about the MSM but that does not mean that we can just sit down and do nothing ... it is a long time until the next election ... anything can happen ... I will not give up without a fight ...

Absolutely, I just want the Repulicans to nominate the most electable candidate.

230 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:53:18pm

re: #204 freetoken

"Meaning" is a tough concept... What the poll does show is that from the slightly over 1010 Adult Americans surveyed, the two most popular/well known Republicans are creationists, and rather religious ones at that.

This gets at the identity issue of the GOP - that of backwards anti-scientific bumpkins. Yes, Romney is an East-coast elite type, but he demonstrated quite well last year his need to go to Texas and do obeisance to the so-con crowd.

Sure. But anyone offering a definitive response at the moment is already well into zealot territory and unrepresentative of the general population. Just like the primaries, which are won by appealing to the fringe, while elections are won by appealing to the middle. At the moment, however, it's simply too far in advance to draw any meaning from such polls.

I think all that can be said at this point is that the next election is, currently, Obama's election to lose.

On a strictly personal note: Romney creeps me out, for reasons I can't explain. No matter what environment he's in, from brightly-lit studio to sunny backyard barbecue, he always looks like he's holding a flashlight under his chin.

231 pianobuff  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:53:33pm

re: #225 opnion

Actually Romney did well in closed primary stats & McCain probably could not have made it without independents in the open primaries.
Huckabee stated stong, then faded.

If I remember right, in a debate or two it was Mitt against several at one time.

232 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:53:37pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

He was from the beginning, in the view of this Hillary voter.

Yeah, he was my choice & he had a chance to win.

233 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:53:47pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you. Yes, they do a ton of good work, and they're wonderful, and they're constant targets. I really don't understand why Kaiser, say, doesn't attract the protests, but PP always does.

Because Kaiser likely isn't included in the pre-existing propaganda used to fuel the activists.

234 opnion  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:54:16pm

re: #231 pianobuff

If I remember right, in a debate or two it was Mitt against several at one time.


Yeah, Huckabee & McCain ganged up on Romney.

235 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:54:17pm

re: #230 SixDegrees


On a strictly personal note: Romney creeps me out, for reasons I can't explain. No matter what environment he's in, from brightly-lit studio to sunny backyard barbecue, he always looks like he's holding a flashlight under his chin.

He should wear ivory or eggshell white shirts. The plain white ones reflect too much light onto his face, maybe.

236 Kragar  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:54:45pm

re: #217 Truck Monkey

Give him a push like that Chinese guy did last week in China.

If the guy really wanted to jump, he could have been up and over in less than a minute. This guy is just being an annoyance

237 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:55:16pm

re: #236 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

If the guy really wanted to jump, he could have been up and over in less than a minute. This guy is just being an annoyance

That's exactly what the jumper-pusher fellow said in China. He was right; crazy as all get-out, but right.

238 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:55:19pm

re: #230 SixDegrees

Sure. But anyone offering a definitive response at the moment is already well into zealot territory and unrepresentative of the general population. Just like the primaries, which are won by appealing to the fringe, while elections are won by appealing to the middle. At the moment, however, it's simply too far in advance to draw any meaning from such polls.

I think all that can be said at this point is that the next election is, currently, Obama's election to lose.

On a strictly personal note: Romney creeps me out, for reasons I can't explain. No matter what environment he's in, from brightly-lit studio to sunny backyard barbecue, he always looks like he's holding a flashlight under his chin.

The hair helmet and sunny personality creep me out. Prototype politician. I think he is some sort of Borg.

239 JacksonTn  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:55:40pm

re: #234 opnion

Yeah, Huckabee & McCain ganged up on Romney.

opnion ...IMO ... Huckabee was not in it for the party win ... he should have dropped out when he knew he had no chance of winning ... but he did win the prize I believe he wanted ... a tv show on FOX ...

240 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:56:23pm

re: #238 Truck Monkey

The hair helmet and sunny personality creep me out. Prototype politician. I think he is some sort of Borg.

Why do you hate Mormons? //

I know what you mean, though. When he was running for office up in Mass, the commercials had hima dn his whole family together; the whole thing looked as wholesome as a BYU-produced milk commercial.

241 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:56:54pm

re: #236 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

If the guy really wanted to jump, he could have been up and over in less than a minute. This guy is just being an annoyance

Maybe it's a real cry for help. I was probably being too flippant in my first response. I feel sorry for people who think they have no other recourse than to do something like this.

242 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:57:03pm

re: #182 freetoken

The latest CNN poll shows that Huckabee has pulled even with Palin as the head of the pack of Republican leaders for 2012.

Any relevance to recent subjects?

I've decided I'm voting for Dick Cheney.

243 tradewind  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:57:37pm

re: #239 JacksonTn

Huckabee looks like he absolutely adores where he is right now.... bet he wouldn't give up that tv gig even for the oval office.
Or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part... because I could never vote for the guy.

244 freetoken  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:57:46pm

re: #230 SixDegrees

Agree on the it's-too-early to talk about actual candidates.

Yet, the whole "brand" issue is still there... Like it or not, when the Republican brand is brought up in conversation the likely names (ignoring GWB) are Palin and Huckabee (and maybe Romney.) If that poll is worth anything, it is that.

245 pianobuff  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:58:09pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

I've decided I'm voting for Dick Cheney.

I think I read in the last week that his daughter would consider running for office (congress maybe?).

246 SixDegrees  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:58:12pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I think that's part of the agenda. Most of these groups aren't in favor of birth control or sex education.

That's because, according to them, nearly all methods of birth control amount to murder, and sex is evil.

They'd get a hell of a lot farther advancing their agenda if they weren't crazy, stupid and ignorant, IMHO. A jigger of compassion and empathy would do them a world of good.

247 tradewind  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:58:24pm

re: #244 freetoken

Tim Pawlenty recused himself from another run for governor today.........

248 gtrs  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:59:05pm

re: #225 opnion let me put it this way; give romney's money to huckabee and romney is toast; this go round, keep an eye out for who is getting the early money(obviously romney can self fund BUT will he?)

249 tradewind  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:59:09pm

re: #245 pianobuff

Which one, Liz or Mary?

250 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:59:09pm

re: #219 IslandLibertarian

And you calling me names is going to persuade me you are not rude? Good luck with that. Thanks for playing.

251 SteveC  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:59:41pm

re: #245 pianobuff

I think I read in the last week that his daughter would consider running for office (congress maybe?).

Can you imagine that? So many heads exploding it would look like the 4th of July!

252 gtrs  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 3:59:55pm

re: #231 pianobuff
huckabee did very well in the debates; he just had NO money

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 4:00:01pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

I've decided I'm voting for Dick Cheney.

Is it necessary for him to run? ;)

254 Last Mohican  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 4:00:46pm

re: #22 Charles

They've discussed throwing pig's blood into clinics, physically restraining women and doctors, etc.

Charles, it's hard for me to find words to express my rage at this. I hope that the attorney general follows through with his plan to offer as much protection is needed at these clinics. I hope that anyone who trespasses or assaults patients or doctors is criminally prosecuted. And, if this really starts happening, I'm going to start looking into joining one of those groups that escorts women into the clinics to protect them from scum like those you describe.

I'd also like to add that the people who objected to that DHS memo about right-wing extremists can now either admit they were wrong, or go to hell. There's no shame in admitting you were wrong. It rubbed me the wrong way the first time I read it too. I admit, I was wrong.

255 gtrs  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 4:01:36pm

re: #247 tradewind
he's running for pres

256 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 4:02:35pm

re: #226 IslandLibertarian

...Zelda is Gay ya know.


Yeah, she is- looked kinda butch on Dobie Gillis, but he was her love interest... was a senator from CA- might still be...

257 gtrs  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 4:03:27pm

re: #243 tradewind
he's running; that's why he set up the tv gig

258 Jimmah  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 4:08:17pm

re: #182 freetoken

The latest CNN poll shows that Huckabee has pulled even with Palin as the head of the pack of Republican leaders for 2012.

Any relevance to recent subjects?

Turd sandwich or giant douche? Decision time for the GOP...

259 1SG(ret)  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 4:09:26pm

Listening or reading from Liberals or Liberal-lites on how the Republicans can win elections is kind of like going to a mechanic to get a tooth pulled. Sure glad I left the repub party, they might actually take the Liberals advice. That worked so well for McCain. The fight is lost Repubs, give it up and bow to the overlords.

260 Irish Rose  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 4:17:09pm

OT but btw, lizards... if you see someone going by the name "Irish Rose" or "Wild Irish Rose" over at AoSHQ or Hot Air, it's not me. I don't post at these sites currently and I have no intention of doing so in the future (both are delinked, in fact).

Just thought I'd mention.

261 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 7:08:52pm

New species come along every few months in a hospital. Evolution is rapid in bacteria under drastic selective pressure to survive antibiotics and UV lights and alcohol wipes.

If there were nothing new under the sun evolutionarily, this just couldn't happen. MRSA is not an invention of the devil. Well, I take that back. But it's not a fiction, invented by followers of evil for the purpose of deluding good simple folk into believing in evolution.

262 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 7:43:24pm

re: #250 FurryOldGuyJeans

And you calling me names is going to persuade me you are not rude? Good luck with that. Thanks for playing.

I'm not trying to persuede you of anything.
Your opinion of me is none of my business.
Not worth my time.
I just think your comparison of "kookery" is bogus.
And I never called you names.

263 Chekote  Tue, Jun 2, 2009 8:08:05pm

re: #2 Honorary Yooper

Too bad it just wasn't voted down instead.

I'll take it anyway. Living in Texas, this has just spared us an embarrassment.

264 Yashmak  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 7:55:21am

re: #26 zombie

It's 1993 all over again.

One constant in American culture. . few people ever look at the past. It's as if, if it happened before they reached adult-hood, it never happened.

Sigh.

265 Yashmak  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:05:19am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey


Between people talking about throwing blood around, and people refusing to get vaccinated, it's beginning to sound less like a curse and more like everyday life.

Last time I saw pig's blood thrown, it was Christmas season '01, outside of Nordstrom's in S.F. A bunch of PETA freaks tried to throw some blood on a gal wearing a fur collared coat, and hit a pair of Japanese tourists instead. To add to the hilarity, 2 of the 3 PETA folks were wearing leather Birkenstocks. I guess that's about the level of competence you can expect from someone who thinks there's anything to be gained by throwing blood at people.

266 LoveOneAnother  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:48:19am

Isn't this interesting. Atheists often tell Creationists to create their own institutions of higher learning and to create their own research journals if they don't like the ostracizing they receive from the predominant ones currently existing. Here we see an example of how Creationists are legally blocked from doing just that. Just look at all the comments that support this kind of academic censorship! It is deplorable. What are you afraid of in allowing the Institute of Creation Research to have a Master's program?

267 Yashmak  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:06:09pm

re: #266 LoveOneAnother

Isn't this interesting. Atheists often tell Creationists to create their own institutions of higher learning and to create their own research journals if they don't like the ostracizing they receive from the predominant ones currently existing. Here we see an example of how Creationists are legally blocked from doing just that..

No one is stopping them from offering such a degree. That degree just will not be accredited by the state as a science degree. And given that it was to be taught at an already established institution of higher learning established by creationists. . .your statement falls flat.

Just look at all the comments that support this kind of academic censorship! It is deplorable. What are you afraid of in allowing the Institute of Creation Research to have a Master's program?

Deplorable? You're not really thinking it through. What are we afraid of? Well, if I were an employer in a biological sciences field, I'd be afraid of hiring someone whose science degree was not, you know, founded on science. As Americans, we should ALL be afraid of the potential damage this could do to our scientific enterprises.

268 jdog29  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:34:59pm

There's always time to panic and it doesn't take any prep time and you don't need a plan. It's a procrastinator's dream.


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