The White Supremacist’s Take on Dr. Tiller

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Jew-hating white supremacist James Edwards, who runs “The Political Cesspool” (a vile racist radio show on which Pat Buchanan has appeared several times) has a slightly different take on the murder of Dr. George Tiller: What Pat Buchanan’s friends are saying about Dr. Tiller’s assassination:

I’m sure most Americans were shocked to hear that an abortionist was shot to death this weekend. The really shocking part was that it happened at his church - most abortionists attend synagogues.

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391 comments
1 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:18:58pm

And most of the chicks do not.

2 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:19:11pm

sorry.

reflex.

3 hazzyday  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:19:28pm

Oy vey

4 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:19:51pm
most abortionists attend synagogues.

I'd ask for proof but, it'd be covered in his poop.

5 Kragar  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:20:09pm

Classy.

/

6 Erik The Red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:21:06pm

most abortionists attend synagogues.

What a load of SHIT. And people read/believe this crap?

7 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:21:18pm
Next, posing with an anonymous friend apparently threatening to use baseball bats for something other than baseball.

Oh, I don't know. Some folks just don't know how to swing.

8 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:21:37pm

Blood Libel ... what else is new?

9 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:22:00pm

I need to expand my vocabulary to adequately describe this level of depravity. Ordinary four-letter-words and my old SAT words just aren't enough.

10 opnion  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:22:00pm

The guys comment is almost too vile to comment on.

11 Last Mohican  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:22:03pm

This is all starting to get really, really depressing.

12 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:22:08pm

Wow. Just.....wow.

13 KenJen  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:22:14pm

Total rednecks. (No offense to redstate)

14 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:22:56pm

Complaints about exposing White Nationalists in...5...4....3...

/...ain't gonna happen

15 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:23:07pm

I thought these guys were pro-abortion........for non-whites.

16 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:23:26pm

What an antisemitic asshole James Edwards is. He's using the murder of George Tiller as an excuse to go off on a sickening Jew-hating rant. Again, what an asshole.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:23:35pm

Wow. What a dick.

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:24:09pm

re: #15 Ben Hur

I thought these guys were pro-abortion........for non-whites.

Only post natal.

19 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:24:20pm
...runs "The Political Cesspool"....

The show is obviously well-named, but I'm sure he derives a different meaning from it than I do.

/Holding nose and staying upwind, so to speak.

cheers

eon

20 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:24:39pm

Party like it's 1933.
///

21 Gella  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:24:45pm

all i have to say to that post is WTF? its insane

22 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:24:53pm

OMG.

This sickening Jew Hate is getting worse every day.

23 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:25:14pm

I thought most abortionists were godless atheists. Who knew they were God-fearing Jews?

24 callahan23  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:25:20pm

I am sickened and stunned.
What a fucktard. No that doesn't even come close.

25 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:26:38pm

I hate Nazis!

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:26:51pm

Pre-LGF? I thought maybe a few hundred thousand or so people thought like this in the United States.

Toothpaste is out of the tube.
Genie is out of the bottle.
Toilet has been flushed.

What a sick fucking world.

27 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:26:52pm

puke

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:27:04pm

re: #25 Jetpilot1101

Ding whore.

29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:27:10pm

So if I stub my toe, can I blame da juice?

30 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:27:16pm

re: #23 zombie

I thought most abortionists were godless atheists. Who knew they were God-fearing Jews?

In the minds of idiots of this magnitude, the two are the same thing.

31 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:28:09pm

Vile disgusting hideous crapulence doesn't begin to describe this nonsense.

Blame the Jews? That's their take. And they'll stick with it.

32 callahan23  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:28:11pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

So if I stub my toe, can I blame da juice?

Sure, in their world ...

33 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:28:53pm

To quote Indiana Jones:


Nazis... I HATE these guys.
34 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:29:30pm

Another anti-Semite whose life will eventually be saved by Jewish doctors.

35 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:29:36pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Pre-LGF? I thought maybe a few hundred thousand or so people thought like this in the United States.


I couldn't even begin to guess at what the numbers are but it's growing. They're becoming more accepted as mainstream. They're getting bolder and more dangerous. This is going to end very badly.

36 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:05pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

So if I stub my toe, can I blame da juice?

/Of course. They probably invented whatever it was upon which you stubbed your toe.

37 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:06pm

Bill Ayers is looking right at me.

38 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:14pm

re: #15 Ben Hur

I thought these guys were pro-abortion........for non-whites.

Interesting point. There is a racist "humorous" satirical faux motivational poster that's been circulating on the Web and as spam email for years, showing two inner-city black thugs making gang signs, and the text below it says,

ABORTION
Two more reasons to keep it legal.

Based on that, I also assumed the professional racists also tended to be pro-abortion, at least for minorities.

Is Dr. Tiller's great crime not that he before abortions in general, but rather that he performed abortions on white people?

39 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:35pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

So if I stub my toe, can I blame da juice?

According to those scumbags, you sure can!

40 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:38pm

When I ask my Jewish friends why they remain Democrats, they say it's because they are suspicious of cretins like these extreme rightwingnuts. If the GOP ever wants to grab Jewish votes, they need to publicly condemn this wing of their base. Please understand, I know the GOP is not defined by these racist scumbags, but that's because I have always been willing to give the GOP support when they deserve it. But these racists are a cancer in the base and the media will tar the rest of the GOP with this association unless the party acts.

Hey Rush ... wanna be the first to start purging this scum?

41 JustABill  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:42pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

So if I stub my toe, can I blame da juice?

I guess it depends on how you stubbed your toe?

42 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:42pm

No shot too cheap to pull.

43 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:49pm

re: #33 ArchangelMichael

It's not just the uniform, but the way of life and indoctrination into hatred. These people spread this sick nonsense and some exhort the rest to violence. I'm frankly surprised it took this long to find someone blaming Jews for abortion. After all the blood libels through the ages, everything does manage to get pinned on Jews at some point.

44 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:53pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

I couldn't even begin to guess at what the numbers are but it's growing. They're becoming more accepted as mainstream. They're getting bolder and more dangerous. This is going to end very badly.

Suddenly.

45 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:30:54pm

re: #37 Ben Hur

Bill Ayers is looking right at me.

I like to poke him and yell stuff.

46 Erik The Red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:31:05pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

So if I stub my toe, can I blame da juice?

Blame lol. She is used to it. :)

47 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:31:10pm

re: #37 Ben Hur

Bill Ayers is looking right at me.

He can't see you unless you move.

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:31:20pm

re: #36 Creeping Eruption

/Of course. They probably invented whatever it was upon which you stubbed your toe.

The rabbit hole goes even deeper... they invented toes!
/

49 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:31:49pm

re: #40 _RememberTonyC

When I ask my Jewish friends why they remain Democrats, they say it's because they are suspicious of cretins like these extreme rightwingnuts. If the GOP ever wants to grab Jewish votes, they need to publicly condemn this wing of their base. Please understand, I know the GOP is not defined by these racist scumbags, but that's because I have always been willing to give the GOP support when they deserve it. But these racists are a cancer in the base and the media will tar the rest of the GOP with this association unless the party acts.

Hey Rush ... wanna be the first to start purging this scum?

The left wing version of the scum bag is already mainstreamed and exceptable.

50 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:32:09pm

Acceptable?!?!?!?!?

51 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:32:13pm
I’m sure most Americans were shocked to hear that an abortionist was shot to death this weekend. The really shocking part was that it happened at his church - most abortionists attend synagogues.

Besides being disgusting and incendiary, it sounds like BS. I don't think I've heard of an abortionist in Dallas that even had a Jewish-sounding name. All the ones I've heard of around here were "Christian".

52 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:32:27pm

re: #40 _RememberTonyC

When I ask my Jewish friends why they remain Democrats, they say it's because they are suspicious of cretins like these extreme rightwingnuts. If the GOP ever wants to grab Jewish votes, they need to publicly condemn this wing of their base. Please understand, I know the GOP is not defined by these racist scumbags, but that's because I have always been willing to give the GOP support when they deserve it. But these racists are a cancer in the base and the media will tar the rest of the GOP with this association unless the party acts.

Hey Rush ... wanna be the first to start purging this scum?

Why should he. He hasn't even bothered to condemn Dr. Tiller's killer, and he has broadcasted 8.5 hours of show already this week, and has only mentioned the murder in a one sentence lead in to another topic on the recruiting place murder.

What's up with that?

53 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:32:42pm

re: #37 Ben Hur

Bill Ayers is looking right at me.

Tell him we said hello.

/not

54 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:32:51pm

re: #51 Ward Cleaver

Besides being disgusting and incendiary, it sounds like BS. I don't think I've heard of an abortionist in Dallas that even had a Jewish-sounding name. All the ones I've heard of around here were "Christian".

There's a reason Tillman worked in Kansas.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:32:52pm

re: #6 Erik The Red

most abortionists attend synagogues.

What a load of SHIT. And people read/believe this crap?

Oh yes. They do.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:33:17pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh yes. They do.

And you'll see it on the crazy left too.

57 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:33:28pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

I couldn't even begin to guess at what the numbers are but it's growing. They're becoming more accepted as mainstream. They're getting bolder and more dangerous. This is going to end very badly.


What are you talking about?

58 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:33:28pm

re: #40 _RememberTonyC

When I ask my Jewish friends why they remain Democrats, they say it's because they are suspicious of cretins like these extreme rightwingnuts. If the GOP ever wants to grab Jewish votes, they need to publicly condemn this wing of their base. Please understand, I know the GOP is not defined by these racist scumbags, but that's because I have always been willing to give the GOP support when they deserve it. But these racists are a cancer in the base and the media will tar the rest of the GOP with this association unless the party acts.

Hey Rush ... wanna be the first to start purging this scum?

Absolutely true, but the radical left is no less anti-semitic.

59 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:33:30pm

We are really at a pivotal moment in the history of our civilization, when you think about it. We have not just the Bush-haters and the Troofers, but Nirthers, IDiots, wannabee socialists, anti-abortion fanatics (whom I distinguish from people who just quietly and legally object to abortion on grounds of "thou shalt not kill", many of whom object to capital punishment for the same reason)- and now the old anti-Semitic blood libels coming back into vogue, courtesy of an entirely new generation of crazies on both extreme ends of the political spectrum (HuffPo and Dkos at one end, this flake at the other).

A year ago, who would have believed so many different varieties of complete freaking lunatics would have surfaced all at once?

Did we pass through some sort of interstellar energy field like Poul Anderson postulated in Brain Wave (except this one triggered an IQ drop)?


cheers

eon

60 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:33:54pm

re: #54 Ben Hur

There's a reason Tillman worked in Kansas.

Huh? You mean Tiller, right?

61 Dianna  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:34:08pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

By whom are disgusting, vile idiots like that becoming accepted and mainstream?!

62 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:34:29pm

re: #60 Ward Cleaver

Huh? You mean Tiller, right?


Ahhh...that's right.

63 KenJen  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:34:29pm

Sounds like Pat feels right at home on that show. Here are some lovely Pat B quotes.

64 Rednek  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:34:41pm
65 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:35:06pm

re: #58 Nevergiveup

Absolutely true, but the radical left is no less anti-semitic.

/No their not. They are just critical of Israel. Many of them have Jewish friends, don't you know.

66 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:35:27pm

sunsabitches.

However the fact they support the extreme anti-abortionists should be pointed out to Cindy Mckinney's party since she appeared in the turd punchbowl.

67 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:35:35pm

re: #40 _RememberTonyC

Hey Rush ... wanna be the first to start purging this scum?

I hope you're not holding your breath for that.

68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:35:50pm

Yahoo Headline...

Rush flips; may support Sotomayor

69 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:35:56pm

re: #41 JustABill

I guess it depends on how you stubbed your toe?

I bashed mine this morning, and I blame Windows 2000.

/Tripped while reaching for the power switch when W2000 started doing something stupid.

cheers

eon

70 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:35:57pm

re: #43 lawhawk

It's not just the uniform, but the way of life and indoctrination into hatred. These people spread this sick nonsense and some exhort the rest to violence. I'm frankly surprised it took this long to find someone blaming Jews for abortion. After all the blood libels through the ages, everything does manage to get pinned on Jews at some point.

There's an intersting book out, Voodoo Histories,
about conspiracy theories.
It has a very good history on the infamous 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'.
And while he doesn't come out with it, it seems to me that ultimately, all conspiracy theories end up pointing the finger at the Juice.

71 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:36:19pm

re: #54 Ben Hur

There's a reason Tillman worked in Kansas.

I guess I missed what that reason would be....sorry I don't get your drift.

72 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:36:20pm

re: #40 _RememberTonyC

Anne Coulter is another example of why Jews don't feel comfortable with conservatives. As the GOP tends more towards the Libertarian wing with Ron Paul and Alex Jones this stuff is only going to get worse. They made their choice of who to purge and who to embrace. Nothing was going to stop them.

73 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:36:32pm

re: #59 eon

We are really at a pivotal moment in the history of our civilization, when you think about it. We have not just the Bush-haters and the Troofers, but Nirthers, IDiots, wannabee socialists, anti-abortion fanatics (whom I distinguish from people who just quietly and legally object to abortion on grounds of "thou shalt not kill", many of whom object to capital punishment for the same reason)- and now the old anti-Semitic blood libels coming back into vogue, courtesy of an entirely new generation of crazies on both extreme ends of the political spectrum (HuffPo and Dkos at one end, this flake at the other).

A year ago, who would have believed so many different varieties of complete freaking lunatics would have surfaced all at once?

Did we pass through some sort of interstellar energy field like Poul Anderson postulated in Brain Wave (except this one triggered an IQ drop)?

cheers

eon

OT-

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I have been looking for the author and the name of that book for years. I read it in the early 60's, could remember the basic plot, but couldn't remember who wrote it or the title. Thanks.

74 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:36:42pm

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

Why should he. He hasn't even bothered to condemn Dr. Tiller's killer, and he has broadcasted 8.5 hours of show already this week, and has only mentioned the murder in a one sentence lead in to another topic on the recruiting place murder.

What's up with that?


the only conclusion one can make is that he sympathizes with them on some level ... shameful.

75 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:36:49pm

re: #70 yma o hyd

There's an intersting book out, Voodoo Histories,
about conspiracy theories.
It has a very good history on the infamous 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'.
And while he doesn't come out with it, it seems to me that ultimately, all conspiracy theories end up pointing the finger at the Juice.

OJ would probably agree/

76 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:37:02pm

re: #67 Charles

I hope you're not holding your breath for that.

sadly I am not ...

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:37:16pm

re: #34 Ben Hur

Another anti-Semite whose life will eventually be saved by Jewish doctors.

Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be a black, gay Jewish doctor.

78 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:37:53pm

re: #57 Ben Hur

Guys like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul are on TV all the time, nobody ever calls them out on racism or antisemitism. It's accepted. Everybody knows about it but it's no big deal.

79 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:38:11pm

re: #71 KansasMom

I guess I missed what that reason would be....sorry I don't get your drift.

There is a higher moral standard in Kansas than, let's say New York or LA.

Parents may not object to using abortion as birth control in liberal areas, so the need for late term abortions would be less.

It wasn't meant to be a knock.

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:38:15pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be a black, gay Jewish doctor who knows who the guy is and decides that he would make a much prettier woman.

81 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:38:16pm

re: #58 Nevergiveup

Absolutely true, but the radical left is no less anti-semitic.


true ... and I have no use for them either. But too many Jews have "Vote Dem" in their DNA and their brand loyalty seems to overpower their ability to act with reason.

82 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:38:17pm

re: #74 _RememberTonyC

the only conclusion one can make is that he sympathizes with them on some level ... shameful.

Or he is waiting to see which way the wind is blowing so he can use it to his advantage. I feel he's shallow enough to wait and spin this for his own benefit. That's what he does with most issues.

83 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:38:48pm

karma ... in a flash ...

84 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:39:07pm

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yahoo Headline...

Rush flips; may support Sotomayor

Big if... he may also be trying to discredit her. His support would be based on her abortion stance.

85 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:39:50pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Anne Coulter is another example of why Jews don't feel comfortable with conservatives. As the GOP tends more towards the Libertarian wing with Ron Paul and Alex Jones this stuff is only going to get worse. They made their choice of who to purge and who to embrace. Nothing was going to stop them.

Only lib Jews. Who as liberals, wouldn't like her regardless.

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:40:05pm

re: #84 brookly red

I report, you decide.

87 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:40:08pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Anne Coulter is another example of why Jews don't feel comfortable with conservatives. As the GOP tends more towards the Libertarian wing with Ron Paul and Alex Jones this stuff is only going to get worse. They made their choice of who to purge and who to embrace. Nothing was going to stop them.

If you're right, the Dems are going to win a lot of elections ...

88 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:40:16pm

re: #62 Ben Hur

Ahhh...that's right.

I just don't don't believe it's factually true. The only Jewish abortionist I've ever heard of is Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who became a well-known pro-lifer and convert to Catholicism.

89 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:40:23pm

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I report, you decide.

NZAI!

90 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:40:27pm

re: #84 brookly red

Big if... he may also be trying to discredit her. His support would be based on her abortion stance.

He was spinning how Bill Donahoe (Catholic League, something like that) is supporting her, and he sounded like he is leaning that way, mainly on the abortion issue.

91 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:40:58pm

re: #89 Ben Hur

NZAI!

Welsh?

92 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:41:08pm

re: #64 Rednek

OAS votes to re-admit Cuba

Speaking of an IQ deficit...

While no preconditions were set, the organization stated that Cuba will have to abide by UN Human Rights requirements

Right, like that's going to happen.

Raoul is at least as fond of having his head attached to his shoulders, his neck unstretched, and avoiding Excedrin Headache No. 7.62 as Fidel.

/Both probably have dreams nightmares at 0200 about ending up like Mussolini and Ceaucescu'

cheers

eon

93 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:41:17pm

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I report, you decide.

I liked you better before you were a reporter. ;)

94 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:41:38pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Guys like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul are on TV all the time, nobody ever calls them out on racism or antisemitism. It's accepted. Everybody knows about it but it's no big deal.

Which networks? When?

95 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:41:48pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

Welsh?

Dyslexic.

96 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:41:53pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Anne Coulter is another example of why Jews don't feel comfortable with conservatives. As the GOP tends more towards the Libertarian wing with Ron Paul and Alex Jones this stuff is only going to get worse. They made their choice of who to purge and who to embrace. Nothing was going to stop them.

Killgore ... who cares about her ... take a look at the administrations ... that is where it really happens ... who was a friend to Israel? ... who will be a friend to Israel going forward ...

97 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:41:53pm

re: #79 Ben Hur

There is a higher moral standard in Kansas than, let's say New York or LA.

Parents may not object to using abortion as birth control in liberal areas, so the need for late term abortions would be less.

It wasn't meant to be a knock.

We are more conservative....not just politically but in general.
I'm not sure I want to say we have a higher moral standard though.
/We do build some pretty neat airplanes.

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:41:53pm

re: #65 Creeping Eruption

/No their not. They are just critical of Israel. Many of them have Jewish friends, don't you know.

Honestly, both wings have problems with anti-Semitism, and the problems become more extreme the farther out into the wings you go.

I am a passionate moderate for a reason.

However, it's my perception that sane people in both wings think the problem people are mainstream for the other wing. Does that make sense? I mean, conservatives think people like Cynthia McKinney are normal Democrats, and liberals think Pat Buchanan is a normal Republican.

99 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:41:54pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

Welsh?

Looks like German Japanese!

LOL!

Nzai, Daniel-san!

100 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:42:18pm

re: #94 MandyManners

Which networks? When?

Pat B on the lib MSNBC

101 Dianna  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:42:24pm

re: #94 MandyManners

Which networks? When?

Evidently, Fox. Though I've been a lot less anxious since I stopped watching television news at all.

102 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:42:25pm

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

He was spinning how Bill Donahoe (Catholic League, something like that) is supporting her, and he sounded like he is leaning that way, mainly on the abortion issue.

Yup.

103 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:42:34pm

re: #95 Ward Cleaver

Dyslexic.

What language is that?/

104 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:42:35pm

re: #94 MandyManners

Which networks? When?

Fox, MSNBC. What I read here, anyway. I never watch those. Gotta keep my blood pressure down.

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:42:45pm

re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yahoo Headline...

Rush flips; may support Sotomayor

I'm sure she feels great about that. Now she can be on the Supreme Court!

106 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:42:59pm

re: #101 Dianna

Evidently, Fox. Though I've been a lot less anxious since I stopped watching television news at all.

Dianna ... I hear ya sister ... me too ...

107 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #103 Creeping Eruption

What language is that?/

It's ancient; a dead language.

108 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:43:10pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Anne Coulter is another example of why Jews don't feel comfortable with conservatives. As the GOP tends more towards the Libertarian wing with Ron Paul and Alex Jones this stuff is only going to get worse. They made their choice of who to purge and who to embrace. Nothing was going to stop them.

Anne Coulter doesn't bother me.

109 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:43:18pm

re: #79 Ben Hur

There is a higher moral standard in Kansas than, let's say New York or LA.

Parents may not object to using abortion as birth control in liberal areas, so the need for late term abortions would be less.

It wasn't meant to be a knock.

FWIW, Tiller's patients came from all over the country.

110 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:43:28pm

re: #108 Nevergiveup

Anne Coulter doesn't bother me.

She bothers me.

But in a good way.

111 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:43:45pm

re: #109 KansasMom

FWIW, Tiller's patients came from all over the country.


Makes sense.

112 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:44:08pm

re: #106 JacksonTn

Dianna ... I hear ya sister ... me too ...

Me three. I won't watch anything except local news. Ya know, murders, fires, robberies, etc.

113 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:44:08pm

re: #110 Ben Hur

She bothers me.

But in a good way.

BH ... eeeeeeewwwwwww ... get that woman a hamburger .... or veggie burger or something ...

114 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:44:14pm

re: #88 Ward Cleaver

I just don't don't believe it's factually true. The only Jewish abortionist I've ever heard of is Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who became a well-known pro-lifer and convert to Catholicism.

Barnett Slepian

115 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:44:30pm

re: #94 MandyManners

Which networks? When?

Fox

116 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:44:32pm

re: #110 Ben Hur

She bothers me.

But in a good way.

As long as I can turn the sound down.

117 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:44:37pm

I actually chuckled reading this. Is this guy serious?

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:44:47pm

re: #113 JacksonTn

Veggie burger...yummmmmmmmmy.

119 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:45:09pm

re: #92 eon

Right, like that's going to happen.

While no preconditions were set, the organization stated that Cuba will have to abide by UN Human Rights requirements


Raoul is at least as fond of having his head attached to his shoulders, his neck unstretched, and avoiding Excedrin Headache No. 7.62 as Fidel.

/Both probably have dreams nightmares at 0200 about ending up like Mussolini and Ceaucescu'

cheers

eon


The UN Human Rights council will decide whether Cuba is abiding by that or not, so no problem.

120 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:45:10pm

There is no such thing as a veggie "burger."

121 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:45:14pm

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Veggie burger...yummmmmmmmmy.

FBV ... lol ... ha ha ... I threw that in there for you ...

122 legalpad  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:45:26pm

re: #40 _RememberTonyC

Nobody can purge them. I really meant to put this comment on a thread like like this, so here it is again:

It would appear that we have "Christian" terrorism now. Why would anyone in the media or in politics think that a mere display of indignation, a demand for unanimity in condemnation, and a few prosecutions stop it? It won't stop any sooner, or any easier, than "Muslim" terrorism.

I wonder if the influential forces on the pro-choice side might ever include these ideas in their considerations:

1. In many cases, choices have been made. One may choose to have sex. One may choose their form of contraception.
2. That there is a class of choice called a "commitment". We have these in the form of contracts, marriages, child support payments, many of which include what one is doing with one's body.
3. That the fetus is obviously living, obviously Homo Sapiens.
4. That there are wider-ranging implications to the idea that we can kill those who are physically dependent on us.
5. That maybe they could get what they need by not being so screamingly demanding. Maybe they could restrict unlimited abortions to those under twenty-one and those in medical risk. That others getting abortions more than once should consider some form of sterilization. That they should not try to hide the true nature of abortion, or try to silence and discredit the pro-lifers.

The pro-lifers might consider limiting their efforts to persuasion rather than legislation. Someone said Christians were "no part of this world". Persuasion and education can be much more effective than legislative force of one's religious orientation, not a good thing to combine with our Constitution. The pro-lifer might also consider how well they tolerate "collateral damage" in war. Most Christians seem to understand and accept it. Why not with abortion? If the population of those seeking abortions increases, who are they going to vote in and out of office? If the pro-lifer wins in abortion, they would logically lose in immigration, in taxation, and in defense. To put it crudely, if you don't let them kill their children, in a round about way, they will kill yours.

123 KenJen  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:45:27pm

re: #94 MandyManners

Which networks? When?

ENC-Everybody News Channel. Nobody reports. Everyone decides.

124 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:45:52pm

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

Or he is waiting to see which way the wind is blowing so he can use it to his advantage. I feel he's shallow enough to wait and spin this for his own benefit. That's what he does with most issues.


Rush has always been very pro Israel. So I would hope at some point he comes out with some sort of denunciation of these creeps. He has a lot of influence and could turn the tables on these scumbags ... unless he secretly agrees with them and is not really pro Israel. But I have heard Rush enough times over the years to believe that he is not a Jew hater. So while I'm not "holding my breath," I am hoping he has the desire to counter this hatred in some way.

125 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:46:10pm

re: #87 _RememberTonyC

Dems already get something like 80% of the Jewish vote anyways.

126 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:46:35pm

re: #114 Alouette

Barnett Slepian

I heard rumors at the time of his murder (which I've never heard substantiated) that Slepian was about to "flip" in the way that Nathanson did.

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:46:41pm

re: #120 Ben Hur

There is no such thing as a veggie "burger."

I have 50" of waistline that begs to differ!

128 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:47:12pm

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have 50" of waistline that begs to differ!

FBV ... more to love baby! ...

129 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:47:15pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Dems already get something like 80% of the Jewish vote anyways.

When Obama is said and done with his "NEW" approach to the Middle East and kisses up to his Muslim Cousins that might all change.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:47:37pm

re: #96 JacksonTn

Killgore ... who cares about her ... take a look at the administrations ... that is where it really happens ... who was a friend to Israel? ... who will be a friend to Israel going forward ...

So far I actually have not seen that demonstrated to me in any clear, coherent way, and it is probably the only thing that would get me to vote Republican. I do not see a significant difference in handling of or support for Israel between administrations of the two major parties.

131 Dianna  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:47:38pm

re: #112 Ward Cleaver

Me three. I won't watch anything except local news. Ya know, murders, fires, robberies, etc.

Stopped doing that, too, after watching the coverage of a child who drowned in a swimming pool in a complex I lived in. Gah!

132 Kragar  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:47:48pm

A million-year-old mammoth skeleton found in Serbia: report

A finely preserved skeleton of a mammoth, believed to be one million years old, was uncovered near an archaeological site in eastern Serbia, local media reported on Wednesday.

The skeleton was uncovered during ongoing excavations of the site at Viminacium, a Roman military settlement on the Danube river, said archaeologist Miomir Korac.

Zoran Markovic of Serbia's Nature museum said the skeleton "is extremely well preserved, with only a slightly damaged skull.

133 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:48:21pm

re: #117 wiffersnapper

I actually chuckled reading this. Is this guy serious?

I suspect half serious and half cynical (pushing buttons).

134 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:48:32pm

re: #101 Dianna

Evidently, Fox. Though I've been a lot less anxious since I stopped watching television news at all.

The only place I recall seeing Buchanan is MSNBC.

135 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:48:54pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

So far I actually have not seen that demonstrated to me in any clear, coherent way, and it is probably the only thing that would get me to vote Republican. I do not see a significant difference in handling of or support for Israel between administrations of the two major parties.

SFZ ... well, we know what has happened in the past ... we do not know what will happen with the new administration ... so I guess we will just have to wait and see ... I don't believe we will have to wait long ... the pot is boiling ...

136 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:48:55pm

re: #40 _RememberTonyC

When I ask my Jewish friends why they remain Democrats, they say it's because they are suspicious of cretins like these extreme rightwingnuts. If the GOP ever wants to grab Jewish votes, they need to publicly condemn this wing of their base. Please understand, I know the GOP is not defined by these racist scumbags, but that's because I have always been willing to give the GOP support when they deserve it. But these racists are a cancer in the base and the media will tar the rest of the GOP with this association unless the party acts.

Hey Rush ... wanna be the first to start purging this scum?

These could be some reasons, but Jews are used to dealing with anti-Semites and my 47 years being a Jew, I have a little different opinion... we tend to do things more from a positive than a negative standpoint. IOW, Jews are Democrats because they support social issues, support the under classes. That's the main reason.

137 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:48:55pm

...and the Political Cesspool also frequently support ethnic nationalist parties like the BNP and Vlaams Belang. These parties are becoming more popular in Europe and have a lot of support from the Counterjihad bloggers.

138 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:48:58pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Guys like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul are on TV all the time, nobody ever calls them out on racism or antisemitism. It's accepted. Everybody knows about it but it's no big deal.

Most people don't know about it and the media certainly isn't bothering to tell them. Maybe you could perform a valuable service by publicizing that information to someone other than us. Or do you prefer to assume that all of their supporters, inside and outside the party, approve of their racist and antisemitic statements? Even though Buchanan has been persona non grata in the GOP for years?

139 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:49:09pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A million-year-old mammoth skeleton found in Serbia: report

Oh come on, it can't be more than 6,000 years old!

/must i?

140 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:49:12pm

re: #104 Ward Cleaver

Fox, MSNBC. What I read here, anyway. I never watch those. Gotta keep my blood pressure down.

I've not seen Ron Paul on Fox but, I only watch in the a.m..

141 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:49:21pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

So far I actually have not seen that demonstrated to me in any clear, coherent way, and it is probably the only thing that would get me to vote Republican. I do not see a significant difference in handling of or support for Israel between administrations of the two major parties.

You don't see a difference between how President Bush delt with Israel and how Obama is dealing with America's only real Allie in the region?

142 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:49:25pm

re: #129 Nevergiveup

no, that's not going to change. Not anytime soon.

143 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:49:29pm

re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth

Wow. What a dick.

When they circumcized him, they threw away the wrong bit.

144 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:49:59pm

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have 50" of waistline that begs to differ!

Since I am fairly confident that you can't look though this monitor and see me...

Good Lord, man! All-you-can-eat is a marketing tool, not a challenge;)

145 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:49:59pm

OT:

This is the spookiest weather I've seen in June in a long time. Thunderstorms, hail, rain. If it wasn't Southern California, I'd be watching for tornadoes.

146 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:50:03pm

GAH! Dryer problems. bbiab

147 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:50:12pm

re: #140 MandyManners

I think he did their morning show last week.

148 Kragar  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:50:14pm

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

Oh come on, it can't be more than 6,000 years old!

/must i?

I was tempted.

149 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:50:16pm

re: #128 JacksonTn

FBV ... more to love baby! ...

Zucchini must have a helluva lot more calories than I was led to believe.

150 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:50:34pm

re: #145 ArchangelMichael

OT:

This is the spookiest weather I've seen in June in a long time. Thunderstorms, hail, rain. If it wasn't Southern California, I'd be watching for tornadoes.

Watch any way. Tornadoes can happen just about anywhere.

151 opnion  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:50:48pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Anne Coulter is another example of why Jews don't feel comfortable with conservatives. As the GOP tends more towards the Libertarian wing with Ron Paul and Alex Jones this stuff is only going to get worse. They made their choice of who to purge and who to embrace. Nothing was going to stop them.

Kilgore, you would not say that U.S / Israeli relations are going swimingly under the One?

152 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:50:49pm

re: #122 legalpad

To put it crudely, if you don't let them kill their children, in a round about way, they will kill yours.

That was beyond crudely.

153 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:50:59pm

re: #143 John Neverbend

When they circumcized him, they threw away the wrong bit.

He wears a hat to hide the scar.

154 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:11pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

no, that's not going to change. Not anytime soon.

The fact the you might be right even as Obama sells Israel down the river is why I don't speak with many of my Liberal Jewish Friends and Family much

155 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:43pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Anne Coulter is another example of why Jews don't feel comfortable with conservatives. As the GOP tends more towards the Libertarian wing with Ron Paul and Alex Jones this stuff is only going to get worse. They made their choice of who to purge and who to embrace. Nothing was going to stop them.

Well yea, and then there's Pat Buchanan and others. But Jews are Republicans, too.

You're gonna find kooks on all sides. You can't not join (or join) a group based solely on its kooks. I guess it depends on the level and amount of kookiness, but joining a party is based on what you believe and that would be social issues for the Democrats and Jews.

156 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:45pm

re: #151 opnion

I doubt it.

157 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:48pm

re: #149 debutaunt

Zucchini must have a helluva lot more calories than I was led to believe.

breaded & deep fried is still vegi...

158 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:48pm

re: #150 MandyManners

Watch any way. Tornadoes can happen just about anywhere.

We've had a pretty mild spring here in North Texas. Eerie.

159 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:50pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Dems already get something like 80% of the Jewish vote anyways.


And if the GOP could get it down to 65% in Florida and NY, it would make a huge difference in national elections!

160 Dianna  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:50pm

re: #134 MandyManners

The only place I recall seeing Buchanan is MSNBC.

I never have watched MSNBC, so I don't know. I seem to remember that Buchanan used to appear on a lot of the talking head shows, but I could be wrong.

161 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:54pm

re: #140 MandyManners

I've not seen Ron Paul on Fox but, I only watch in the a.m..

Ron Paul gets trotted out by Alex Jones a lot. They have quite a bit in common and agree with each other on issues. Pat Buchanan usually gets trotted out by MSNBC as a circus clown when he isn't on Hannity.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:51:55pm

re: #141 Nevergiveup

You don't see a difference between how President Bush delt with Israel and how Obama is dealing with America's only real Allie in the region?

Actually, no, except that Obama is trying to fix everything earlier and will fail to do so earlier in his administration.

163 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:52:31pm
I’m sure most Americans were shocked to hear that an abortionist was shot to death this weekend. The really shocking part was that it happened at his church - most abortionists attend synagogues.

Actually the ELCA (this church's synod) has very liberal views on abortion. And they don't care too much for Israel.

164 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:52:39pm

re: #155 American Sabra

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

165 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:53:51pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was tempted.

Plus, it was taken down by a Knights Templar.

///////

166 Kragar  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:53:54pm

The non-Baldwin Baldwin (Jayne from Firefly) rocks!

‘Global Citizenship’: An Unsustainable Social Injustice

Of course, acknowledgement of natural resource conservation and humanity’s place in ecological systems is an important aspect of elementary education.

But, the administration of dis-informational, faith-based political values systems (in the name of ‘science’) — to the exclusion of scientific method’s required skepticism and educational ethics’ practice of varying viewpoints — is, at the very least, unprofessional and deserving of vigilant critical scrutiny.

Statist canon like “social justice,” “global citizenship,” environmental “sustainability” and “multicultural education” are now pervasive in American schools, but are not sustaining captive young minds.

Parents, not educators, have the right to decide values, articles of faith and creeds for their children. Of course, children are free to make up their own minds whether to accept them over time. But it is not the job of public servant educators to undermine or contradict parents. That would be hostile.

Students do not attend public school so that teachers can make them hate American culture, society and their own species; that the human race is some kind of dangerous animal that must be culled by Planned Parenthood, or world government.

It’s bad enough when what they teach is false. They also lay extreme guilt trips on children that make them question whether they are killing our species and planet.

Such mind-numbing is a hostile act intended to brown/blackout common sense, faith, familial bonds, logic and reason from ‘green’ minds.

167 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:54:12pm

re: #157 brookly red

breaded & deep fried is still vegi...

Ahhhh - that explains the waist-size.

168 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:54:21pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

KT ... you know ... that right there is slap in the face to republicans who are not ... in my experience with the dems .... Jewish people vote out of blind tradition for the democrats ... as many many democrats do ...

169 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:54:32pm

re: #119 Kosh's Shadow

The UN Human Rights council will decide whether Cuba is abiding by that or not, so no problem.

Oh, right, I forgot. Cuba is a member of same. Which means that they're all hunky-dory according to said council.

Which is sort of like that episode of The Wild, Wild West where Jim found himself on trial for murder in front of a jury composed of...murderers. Or another time, when the "judge" was Dr. Loveless.

/Being innocent gets you hung by those sort of "peers".

/////////////

cheers

eon

170 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:54:39pm

re: #159 _RememberTonyC

I'm not sure which way the numbers are trending. I could look up exit polls and compare but it's not really that important. I few percentage points change every year. Even with a steady trend it would take decades to the that down to 65%

171 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:54:51pm

re: #160 Dianna

I never have watched MSNBC, so I don't know. I seem to remember that Buchanan used to appear on a lot of the talking head shows, but I could be wrong.

I've also heard him on the radio on Laura Ingraham's show. Can anybody tell me why he pronounces Missouri as "Missourah"? Oddly enough, so does Garrison Keillor.

172 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:54:54pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

Killgore, I don't think that's accurate. Take a closer look at Sabra's #136.
Antisemitism is practiced on both the right and the left, or did you miss Zombie's photo essays of the leftist antisemites (or are you playing the "no true Scotsman" game)?

173 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:55:00pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, no, except that Obama is trying to fix everything earlier and will fail to do so earlier in his administration.

I am sorry but you are wrong. If Bush were going to give a "major" speech in an Arab Capital that DIRECTLY effected Israel, they would already have been briefed on the contents of that speech. They have not been. They have been threatened with withdrawal of support at the UN. And the fun has only started. And if it hasn't escaped your notice, Obama is only flying over Israel not landing in it!

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #171 John Neverbend

I've also heard him on the radio on Laura Ingraham's show. Can anybody tell me why he pronounces Missouri as "Missourah"? Oddly enough, so does Garrison Keillor.

It's regional.

175 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:56:11pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

Killgore .... also ... if you knew how many times I have heard from democrats for decades .... "Why do we have to keep taking sides with Israel" ... you might not say that ...

176 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:56:22pm

re: #171 John Neverbend

I've also heard him on the radio on Laura Ingraham's show. Can anybody tell me why he pronounces Missouri as "Missourah"? Oddly enough, so does Garrison Keillor.

There are two generally accepted pronounciations for "Missouri". One is "Missouree", and the other is "Missourah". Both seem to be used by the locals.

177 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:56:29pm

re: #101 Dianna

Evidently, Fox. Though I've been a lot less anxious since I stopped watching television news at all.

Not watching tv news is a good thing.

178 legalpad  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:56:47pm

re: #152 Mich-again

That was beyond crudely.

I know, I sorry. There must be some other way to make that point. It is I point I have felt and lived, though. If Christianity spread throughout a hostile Roman Empire by persuasion and no legislation, why does anyone feel that they must legislate pro-life?

179 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:57:09pm

re: #168 JacksonTn

Nope, they are critical thinking individuals just like most other people. There are blind partisans on both sides, probably in more or less equal percentages.

180 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:57:44pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

Not watching tv news is a good thing.

Tell me about it. Other than the local (Chicago and Illinois) news, I fail to see the point in the news channels anymore (beyond The Weather Channel).

181 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

I don't think it's the main reason, no. I think it is *a* reason, yes.

182 Dianna  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:57:52pm

re: #171 John Neverbend

Is that pronunciation a upper-midwesternism? I've heard it spoken as "Mizureh", too.

183 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:58:14pm

re: #150 MandyManners

Watch any way. Tornadoes can happen just about anywhere.

Last evening, we had tornado sirens going off almost continually for two hours, due to two funnel-cloud sightings. Not to mention heavy rain and "penny hail" (the size of Peanut M&Ms).

The book says the terrain here is too hilly for rotation and funnel-cloud formation. My guess is the storm system that came through last night hadn't bothered to read it.

cheers

eon

184 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:58:15pm

re: #167 debutaunt

Ahhhh - that explains the waist-size.

I got food poisoning from fried zucchini once, at a restaurant. Yikes.

185 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:58:29pm

re: #150 MandyManners

Watch any way. Tornadoes can happen just about anywhere.

Yeah but the 2 I've seen here in 34 years were slightly more powerful than dust-devils. I'm sure someone from Kansas would roll their eyes and/or laugh at.

186 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:58:29pm

re: #140 MandyManners

I also watch FOX in the am while getting ready for work.
Straight news, no commentary.
But I watch ALL news channels. Get the whole spread.
I like to know who said what.
I'm bothered by the statement: "FOX News sucks! I never watch them or TV."

187 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:58:38pm

I saw an interesting poll the other day headed "Registered Republicans declining; Independents gaining."

And sure enough, the data showed that independents had gained and that reps were declining. It also showed that dems had lost more than reps to independents.

188 JustABill  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:58:50pm

re: #171 John Neverbend

I've also heard him on the radio on Laura Ingraham's show. Can anybody tell me why he pronounces Missouri as "Missourah"? Oddly enough, so does Garrison Keillor.

I think thats how the locals pronouce it. Me, having moved to the Hampton Roads area in VA, am learning how to pronounce Naw-fick (Norfolk to the rest of the world...)

189 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:58:55pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

or am I being overly critical heh

190 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:59:12pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Nope, they are critical thinking individuals just like most other people. There are blind partisans on both sides, probably in more or less equal percentages.

Uh huh, right, Killgore. I know a lot of union folks who will vote for the Democrat every time simply because the candidate is a Democrat. I also know a lot of inner city Blacks who do likewise. You need to get out of Oregon more.

191 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:59:16pm

re: #182 Dianna

Is that pronunciation a upper-midwesternism? I've heard it spoken as "Mizureh", too.

We actually call it the Ar-Kansas river. Really throws people for a loop when they first hear it.

192 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:59:40pm

re: #171 John Neverbend

I've also heard him on the radio on Laura Ingraham's show. Can anybody tell me why he pronounces Missouri as "Missourah"? Oddly enough, so does Garrison Keillor.

It depends on what part of the state you come from. I've heard it pronounced both ways by Missourians.

193 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:59:45pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Nope, they are critical thinking individuals just like most other people. There are blind partisans on both sides, probably in more or less equal percentages.

Killgore .. yes, I agree critical thinkers on both sides (but recently you are only bringing out the crazies on the right) .... but you contradict your statement that a large percentage of Jews vote democrat because of anti-Jewish sentiment on the right ... I have heard it ... it is just that they "whisper" it ... you know, because they would not want to sound like they are actually .... prejudice ...

194 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 1:59:53pm

re: #182 Dianna

Is that pronunciation a upper-midwesternism? I've heard it spoken as "Mizureh", too.

Keillor grew up in Minnesota. Urbandictionary.com has "a word that hicks use to describe missouri." How unsporting of them.

195 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:00:04pm

re: #169 eon

Oh, right, I forgot. Cuba is a member of same. Which means that they're all hunky-dory according to said council.

Which is sort of like that episode of The Wild, Wild West where Jim found himself on trial for murder in front of a jury composed of...murderers. Or another time, when the "judge" was Dr. Loveless.

/Being innocent gets you hung by those sort of "peers".

/////////////

cheers

eon

I loved that show.

196 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:00:26pm

re: #136 American Sabra

These could be some reasons, but Jews are used to dealing with anti-Semites and my 47 years being a Jew, I have a little different opinion... we tend to do things more from a positive than a negative standpoint. IOW, Jews are Democrats because they support social issues, support the under classes. That's the main reason.


I have you beat by 4 years, and I get plenty of crap from my friends and family for saying nice things about (and frequently voting for) Republicans. I agree that many Jews are socially aware and have good intentions towards people at the lower end of the societal food chain. But the Republicans have done MANY good things to help the so called underclass, such as presiding over a strong economy. I think many Jews (along with many Blacks) have been brainwashed into thinking only one party treates the less fortunate in our society well. And they remain willfully ignorant because they're too lazy to examine the issues and allow themselves to be educated properly in the area of politics.

197 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:00:31pm

re: #184 Ward Cleaver

I got food poisoning from fried zucchini once, at a restaurant. Yikes.

Employees must wash hand before leaving this room. (it wasn't the zucchini)

198 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:00:32pm

re: #175 JacksonTn

You seem to keep forgetting (or ignoring) how aware I am about left wing antisemitism. Google search: Killgore Kos

That still doesn't change the fact that most Jews vote Dem. It's reality.

199 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:00:45pm

re: #195 Kosh's Shadow

I loved that show.

Lots of cool gadgets.

200 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:00:53pm

re: #181 American Sabra

Agreed.

201 researchok  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:01:16pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

That's true.

Still, there is a break in the voting patterns. While I don't recall where I read it, it seems traditional and orthodox Jews are now voting Republican. They do so because of the conservative value issues and the fact that they are clear on the rank antisemitism that has found a home among liberal ideologues.

That isn't to say that there isn't plenty of antisemitism to be found omn the right, but in general, it is more fringe than mainstream.

202 Dianna  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:01:38pm

re: #186 IslandLibertarian

Some of us don't think Fox sucks. I just need to read my news, not have it read at me. That way, I'm a little more able to get around the "if it bleeds" aspect of TV news in general.

203 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:01:38pm

re: #196 _RememberTonyC

You want to convert or at least keep me company at family dinners like passover?

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:01:40pm

Last half hour of Ghostbusters!

ZUUL!

205 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:01:49pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

You seem to keep forgetting (or ignoring) how aware I am about left wing antisemitism. Google search: Killgore Kos

That still doesn't change the fact that most Jews vote Dem. It's reality.

Killgore ... I know it is a reality ... just like many many Roosevelt dem families continue to only vote democrat ... until both parties wake up and realize that the blind tradition thing is crap ... I guess we are just swirling around the toilet bowl forever ...

206 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:01:52pm

re: #185 ArchangelMichael

Yeah but the 2 I've seen here in 34 years were slightly more powerful than dust-devils. I'm sure someone from Kansas would roll their eyes and/or laugh at.

*rolls eyes*
/happy?

They do get them every now and then on the east coast. The tornadoes there aren't as strong, but they tend to be deadlier because the warning system isn't in place and people aren't as informed about how to shelter themselves.

207 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:02:04pm

re: #190 Honorary Yooper

You seem angry.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #173 Nevergiveup

I am sorry but you are wrong. If Bush were going to give a "major" speech in an Arab Capital that DIRECTLY effected Israel, they would already have been briefed on the contents of that speech. They have not been. They have been threatened with withdrawal of support at the UN. And the fun has only started. And if it hasn't escaped your notice, Obama is only flying over Israel not landing in it!

What happened to pressure from the Bush administration to crack down on 'illegal settlements'? Obama is doing the exact same thing the last administration did, but now I get hysterical e-mails about it.

Obama may turn out to be as anti-Israel as he's been hyped, but so far the evidence is pretty scanty. Previous to Obama, certainly, I see no distinct difference between parties in terms of their actual support for Israel. I am really open to hearing facts and opinions on this, but stuff like "He's not going to land his plane in Israel" won't do it for me. He's been there before, he will go there again.

209 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:02:13pm

re: #187 razorbacker

I saw an interesting poll the other day headed "Registered Republicans declining; Independents gaining."

And sure enough, the data showed that independents had gained and that reps were declining. It also showed that dems had lost more than reps to independents.

Which is an interesting trend by itself. The parties seem to be losing people, period. Both Democrats and Republicans are defecting to become independents. A good question is "why?". I've seen a lot of partisan crap on the matter, but not a real analysis.

210 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:02:22pm

re: #197 brookly red

Employees must wash hand before leaving this room. (it wasn't the zucchini)

The sign at the sausage factory in The Naked Gun: "Employees Must Wash Hands Before Using Restroom". That one cracked me up.

211 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:02:38pm

re: #201 researchok

That's true.

Still, there is a break in the voting patterns. While I don't recall where I read it, it seems traditional and orthodox Jews are now voting Republican. They do so because of the conservative value issues and the fact that they are clear on the rank antisemitism that has found a home among liberal ideologues.

That isn't to say that there isn't plenty of antisemitism to be found omn the right, but in general, it is more fringe than mainstream.

Many Orthodox Jews voted Republican, at least in here in Wisconsin, because it meant a continuation of school vouchers for some of the the day schools.

212 kansas  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:02:48pm

I tried to watch Fox this morning when I took a couple hours off. They were teasing the "Stripper Kicks the Guy in the Head" story. The pretty boy was saying to the pretty chick, after about the 7th break where they did that, "They aren't gonna turn the channel now." Being old and grumpy, I said, "Fuck You Asshole" and turned on the weather channel.

213 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:02:57pm

re: #199 Ward Cleaver

Lots of cool gadgets.

Jim West was like James Bond in the Wild Wild West.
With a train instead of a car.
Reminds me, I wonder if it is on Hulu?

214 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:03:24pm

re: #196 _RememberTonyC

I think many Jews (along with many Blacks) have been brainwashed into thinking only one party treates the less fortunate in our society well.

When I was a student in Israel, I came across a number of Russian Jewish emigres, almost all of whom were very right wing. When I asked one of them why it was so, he shrugged his shoulders and said, "It's logical."

215 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:03:44pm

re: #205 JacksonTn

There are a lot of reasons why Jews don't vote Republican. Probably the biggest one is social conservatism. The GOP can easily change its platform to attract Jewish voters.

216 Last Mohican  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:03:52pm

re: #187 razorbacker

I saw an interesting poll the other day headed "Registered Republicans declining; Independents gaining."

And sure enough, the data showed that independents had gained and that reps were declining. It also showed that dems had lost more than reps to independents.

That reminds me of CNN.com's "political blog" during the presidential campaign. About three times a week, every week, they had a headline that said "new poll numbers show troubling drop for McCain." There was never one saying McCain was polling higher.

Even if McCain had lost only 1 percentage point every time he "dropped in the polls," he would have been at about negative 46 percent by November.

217 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:04:11pm

re: #196 _RememberTonyC

I have you beat by 4 years, and I get plenty of crap from my friends and family for saying nice things about (and frequently voting for) Republicans. I agree that many Jews are socially aware and have good intentions towards people at the lower end of the societal food chain. But the Republicans have done MANY good things to help the so called underclass, such as presiding over a strong economy. I think many Jews (along with many Blacks) have been brainwashed into thinking only one party treates the less fortunate in our society well. And they remain willfully ignorant because they're too lazy to examine the issues and allow themselves to be educated properly in the area of politics.

lol So that would be the strong economy of Bush, not Clinton?

Well now you're saying that Dems are too stupid and lazy to know better and I know you didn't quite mean that! Didja?

218 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:04:12pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

You seem angry.

Angry? Not in the least, actually. If anything, you've seemed very obsessed.

219 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:04:14pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

What happened to pressure from the Bush administration to crack down on 'illegal settlements'? Obama is doing the exact same thing the last administration did, but now I get hysterical e-mails about it.

Obama may turn out to be as anti-Israel as he's been hyped, but so far the evidence is pretty scanty. Previous to Obama, certainly, I see no distinct difference between parties in terms of their actual support for Israel. I am really open to hearing facts and opinions on this, but stuff like "He's not going to land his plane in Israel" won't do it for me. He's been there before, he will go there again.

No, Bush allowed major "settlements" to undergo "natural growth". Obama has explicitly ruled that out. Like he has control.

220 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:04:52pm

The liberal social views of Jews (hence voting Democratic) is well known. But serious question. More conservative Christian churches teach that you need to give money to charity...and your time. To take in the homeless, etc. Generally you never hear that it's the governments job. You do hear that now in liberal Christian churches, but in the past, the thought of your religious background causing you to vote Democrat because they may do social work, would never be preached.

221 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:05:03pm

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

The sign at the sausage factory in The Naked Gun: "Employees Must Wash Hands Before Using Restroom". That one cracked me up.

if you have ever taken the A train you would wash before unzipping too...

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:05:15pm

re: #211 Creeping Eruption

Many Orthodox Jews voted Republican, at least in here in Wisconsin, because it meant a continuation of school vouchers for some of the the day schools.

In general, the Orthodox communities tend to trend more Republican.

223 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:05:38pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

There are a lot of reasons why Jews don't vote Republican. Probably the biggest one is social conservatism. The GOP can easily change its platform to attract Jewish voters.

Killgore ... yes, there are ... but you were addressing the anti-Jewish stance which as we both agree (I think) is not just a one party thing ... I will never understand it ... but hey, some people don't like my religion ... I don't care ...

224 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:05:45pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

That's ironic. Do you ever read DU? Talk about anti-Semitism.

225 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:05:54pm

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Last half hour of Ghostbusters!

ZUUL!

Are you the gatekeeper?

226 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:06:18pm

Come on ya'll. There are people here would NEVER EVER EVER vote Democrat. I don't care if Mickey Mouse was running as long as he's Republican.

Now where did TFK go?

227 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:06:42pm

re: #213 Kosh's Shadow

Jim West was like James Bond in the Wild Wild West.
With a train instead of a car.
Reminds me, I wonder if it is on Hulu?

Nope, doesn't look like it. You can always email and ask them about adding it.

228 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:06:45pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

WHEN has President Obama been in Israel? HOW is Obama gong to "restart" relations with the Muslim World without throwing Israel under the bus? WHEN did the past President Bush make a big deal out of settlements? Yeah he mention it as did all past Presidents, but he never gave Israel DEADLINES or THREATENED them over it. It was President Bush that gave Ariel Sharon a free hand to clear the Terrorists and Arafat out of the West Bank. Israel NEVER had a President as friendly as President Bush.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:06:56pm

"Ray. When someone asks you if you are a God, you say YES!"

230 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:07:04pm

re: #225 Truck Monkey

Are you the gatekeeper?

Are you the keymaster?

231 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #226 American Sabra

Come on ya'll. There are people here would NEVER EVER EVER vote Democrat. I don't care if Mickey Mouse was running as long as he's Republican.

Now where did TFK go?

I plead no contest.

232 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:07:23pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

There are a lot of reasons why Jews don't vote Republican. Probably the biggest one is social conservatism. The GOP can easily change its platform to attract Jewish voters.

I don't think so. That would be mean supporting affirmative action, welfare, education, Medicare/Medicaid, Roe v. Wade etc and then they wouldn't be Republican would they?

233 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:07:46pm

re: #209 Honorary Yooper

Which is an interesting trend by itself. The parties seem to be losing people, period. Both Democrats and Republicans are defecting to become independents. A good question is "why?". I've seen a lot of partisan crap on the matter, but not a real analysis.

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that folks are deciding (or realizing) that the Democrats and the Republicans are just two wheels on the same cart. They are on different sides, but they're taking the cart to the same destination and people don't much care to go along for the ride.

234 opnion  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:07:48pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

What happened to pressure from the Bush administration to crack down on 'illegal settlements'? Obama is doing the exact same thing the last administration did, but now I get hysterical e-mails about it.

Obama may turn out to be as anti-Israel as he's been hyped, but so far the evidence is pretty scanty. Previous to Obama, certainly, I see no distinct difference between parties in terms of their actual support for Israel. I am really open to hearing facts and opinions on this, but stuff like "He's not going to land his plane in Israel" won't do it for me. He's been there before, he will go there again.


How about he and his wife liked to attend Palistinian fund raisers with Pali friends in Hyde Park?

235 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:07:54pm

re: #229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Ray. When someone asks you if you are a God, you say YES!"

especially if you are running for office...

236 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:07:57pm

re: #228 Nevergiveup

WHEN has President Obama been in Israel? HOW is Obama gong to "restart" relations with the Muslim World without throwing Israel under the bus? WHEN did the past President Bush make a big deal out of settlements? Yeah he mention it as did all past Presidents, but he never gave Israel DEADLINES or THREATENED them over it. It was President Bush that gave Ariel Sharon a free hand to clear the Terrorists and Arafat out of the West Bank. Israel NEVER had a President as friendly as President Bush.

Bush 1 withheld loan guarantees.

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:08:19pm

Time to earn the veggie burgers! Later, taters!

238 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:08:21pm

re: #219 Kosh's Shadow

No, Bush allowed major "settlements" to undergo "natural growth". Obama has explicitly ruled that out. Like he has control.

Is Obama going to send a delegation of abortionist enforcers to make sure that Jews in the settlements are abiding by the "freeze"?

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:08:38pm

re: #219 Kosh's Shadow

No, Bush allowed major "settlements" to undergo "natural growth". Obama has explicitly ruled that out. Like he has control.

Which he doesn't. Neither did Bush.

And 'major settlements' are small cities.

At the end of the day, the U.S. relationship with Israel doesn't have to do with the pro-peace posturing of any given President or Sec. of State, or the fine print of another never-to-be-implemented plan.

240 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:08:47pm
There are a lot of reasons why Jews don't vote Republican. Probably the biggest one is social conservatism. The GOP can easily change its platform to attract Jewish voters.

I know that is popular on LGF, but question...since Republicans abandoned fiscal consveratism, how have they done in elections? All those big gov't Democrats are now voting for big government Republicans?

241 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:08:50pm

re: #203 Nevergiveup

You want to convert or at least keep me company at family dinners like passover?


LOL ... Talking politics with my family and friends requires all the self control I can muster. Whenever I would say something nice about Bush, I'd face a barrage of irrational anger. I stay above the fray and try to influence them gently, but it rarely works. But I want ALL of them (especially my kids) to know that I do not march in lockstep with them. And when (if?) the day comes that they finally start to see things more objectively, I will NOT say "I told you so."

242 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:09:06pm

re: #232 American Sabra

I don't think so. That would be mean supporting affirmative action, welfare, education, Medicare/Medicaid, Roe v. Wade etc and then they wouldn't be Republican would they?

AS ... ha ha ... you just told me everything I need to know that you feel all republicans are the same ... ha ... heard it for years ... get your head out of the sand ... there are plenty of republicans who believe in all or some of those things ... have you not been reading this blog ...

243 Dianna  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:09:28pm

re: #233 razorbacker

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that folks are deciding (or realizing) that the Democrats and the Republicans are just two wheels on the same cart. They are on different sides, but they're taking the cart to the same destination and people don't much care to go along for the ride.

Nobody remembers Daniel Webster any more?

The American political parties are like two identical bottles sitting on a shelf with different lables. And both of them are empty.

That's off the top of my head. Nothing has changed.

244 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:09:35pm

re: #238 Alouette

Is Obama going to send a delegation of abortionist enforcers to make sure that Jews in the settlements are abiding by the "freeze"?

No, he'll send bureaucrats (building inspectors) to reject all their work.

245 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:09:35pm

re: #110 Ben Hur

She bothers me.

But in a good way.

She needs to eat a few cheeseburgers, too damn skinny for me. I like them built for comfort, not speed.

246 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:10:42pm

re: #236 Creeping Eruption

Bush 1 withheld loan guarantees.

And I never mention Bush 1. And I never mentioned Jim Baker. And I NEVER LIKED GATES. So lets get back the last President Bush.

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:10:49pm

re: #245 avanti

She needs to eat a few cheeseburgers, too damn skinny for me. I like them built for comfort, not speed.

Hiya, sailor....

248 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:10:57pm

re: #242 JacksonTn

AS ... ha ha ... you just told me everything I need to know that you feel all republicans are the same ... ha ... heard it for years ... get your head out of the sand ... there are plenty of republicans who believe in all or some of those things ... have you not been reading this blog ...

Show me a Republican here who supports any of those things.

249 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:11:02pm

re: #161 Honorary Yooper

Ron Paul gets trotted out by Alex Jones a lot. They have quite a bit in common and agree with each other on issues. Pat Buchanan usually gets trotted out by MSNBC as a circus clown when he isn't on Hannity.

Alex Jones has a show on Fox News on television?

250 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:11:22pm

re: #218 Honorary Yooper

Sorry but this is the topic of the thread. If you object to people discussing it perhaps you'd be more happy on another thread. I think your anger is misplaced.

251 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:11:27pm

re: #248 American Sabra

Show me a Republican here who supports any of those things.

AS ... I am not a republican ... so you might want to ask one ...

252 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:11:51pm

re: #248 American Sabra

Show me a Republican here who supports any of those things.

Present.

253 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:12:01pm

re: #245 avanti

She needs to eat a few cheeseburgers, too damn skinny for me. I like them built for comfort, not speed.

/typical liberal, feelings over performance. ;)

254 screaming_eagle  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:12:06pm

re: #232 American Sabra

I don't think so. That would be mean supporting affirmative action, welfare, education, Medicare/Medicaid, Roe v. Wade etc and then they wouldn't be Republican would they?

Republicans don't believe in education??

255 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:12:24pm

Well, I hear the old Pterodactyl at the Slate Rock and Gravel Company which means that it is quitting time. See ya all later.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:12:42pm

re: #228 Nevergiveup

Israel NEVER had a President as friendly as President Bush.

Some perceptions from the knee-jerk Jewish Democrats. I was tempted to write these up dramatically, but I think they're fairly clear.

257 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #232 American Sabra

Yes, and that's why Jews won't vote Republican.

258 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:13:01pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

Which he doesn't. Neither did Bush.

And 'major settlements' are small cities.

At the end of the day, the U.S. relationship with Israel doesn't have to do with the pro-peace posturing of any given President or Sec. of State, or the fine print of another never-to-be-implemented plan.

Sure it does. What are you talking about? Any American Administration can bring Israel to it's knees by cutting off Arms sales, or slowing them down, and withdrawing political support.

259 3 wood  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:13:01pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yes, but I'm speaking in general terms. The vast majority of Jews vote Dem. Antisemitism is one of the reasons.

And here I was thinking that HuffPo is a left wing, Democrat supporting blog.

Silly me.

260 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:13:22pm

re: #252 MandyManners

Present.

Really? Which do you support? Affirmative Action? Welfare? Education? Medicare/Medicaid? Money for education? All of the above?

261 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:13:26pm

re: #230 Ward Cleaver

Are you the keymaster?

I am Gozer.

262 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:13:26pm

re: #254 screaming_eagle

Republicans don't believe in education??

Burn the Books!
/Tea Party

263 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:13:54pm

re: #227 Ward Cleaver

Nope, doesn't look like it. You can always email and ask them about adding it.

Then hulu will know how to find me when my brain turns to jelly.
///////

264 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:14:00pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Some perceptions from the knee-jerk Jewish Democrats. I was tempted to write these up dramatically, but I think they're fairly clear.

Not true. Nixon was Israel's only TRUE friend. In fact, without Nixon, it's a question of whether Israel would be here today.

265 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:14:03pm

All of the above to various degrees.

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:14:11pm

re: #234 opnion

How about he and his wife liked to attend Palistinian fund raisers with Pali friends in Hyde Park?

He has terrible taste in friends, that's for sure.

I'm not an Obama booster. But I don't think his administration is nearly as hell-bent on screwing Israel over as some seem to think.

267 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:14:26pm

re: #254 screaming_eagle

Republicans don't believe in education??

hehehe Sorry I meant more money for education.

268 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:14:33pm

re: #249 MandyManners

Alex Jones has a show on Fox News on television?

I don't know about that, but I noticed the other day that he has one on the Independent Film Channel. The one I saw had that black-haired girl with the glasses whose name I can never spell. Janine G. She's on 24.

269 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:15:09pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Yes, and that's why Jews won't vote Republican.

Killgore knows the score.

270 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:15:38pm

re: #260 American Sabra

Really? Which do you support? Affirmative Action? Welfare? Education? Medicare/Medicaid? Money for education? All of the above?

Oops!

The original list: That would be mean supporting affirmative action, welfare, education, Medicare/Medicaid, Roe v. Wade etc (from No. 232).

My answer to your No. 260 is: All of the above to various degrees.

271 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:15:43pm

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya, sailor....

re: #253 brookly red

/typical liberal, feelings over performance. ;)

Cushion for the pushin, I say.

272 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:15:47pm

re: #213 Kosh's Shadow

Jim West was like James Bond in the Wild Wild West.
With a train instead of a car.
Reminds me, I wonder if it is on Hulu?

That was exactly what WWW's creator, Michael Garrison, had in mind. And the producer, John Mantley, carried it off very well. (It was one of only two "Western" TV shows I ever watched regularly, the other being Have Gun-Will Travel.)

Interestingly, a decade later, Mantley tried the same basic formula again, except set in the future in outer space. The show starred Gil Gerard and Erin Gray. Yes, Buck Rogers In The 25th Century on NBC. After a decent first season, NBC dumped Mantley, and all the cat except Gerard and Gray, and tried to make it a low-rent Star Trek with overtones of Battlestar Galactica. It crashed and burned after less than a half-season.

/I loved Erin gray's skintight catsuits, though. Never was an SF/ spy-movie cliche' carried off more attractively other than by Diana Rigg in The Avengers.

cheers

eon

273 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:15:59pm

re: #249 MandyManners

No, Judge Nepalitano is working on getting a show. He's on the online version of Fox now.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:15:59pm

re: #258 Nevergiveup

Sure it does. What are you talking about? Any American Administration can bring Israel to it's knees by cutting off Arms sales, or slowing them down, and withdrawing political support.

But they don't. And Obama won't.

275 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:16:06pm

re: #268 razorbacker

I don't know about that, but I noticed the other day that he has one on the Independent Film Channel. The one I saw had that black-haired girl with the glasses whose name I can never spell. Janine G. She's on 24.

Garofolo?

276 Last Mohican  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:16:19pm

re: #268 razorbacker

I don't know about that, but I noticed the other day that he has one on the Independent Film Channel. The one I saw had that black-haired girl with the glasses whose name I can never spell. Janine G. She's on 24.

Alex Jones and Janeane Garofolo have TV shows on the same network?

That must be one hell of an office Christmas Party. I hope I never get invited.

277 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:16:21pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Some perceptions from the knee-jerk Jewish Democrats. I was tempted to write these up dramatically, but I think they're fairly clear.

Sorry! I think I quoted the wrong person :)

278 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:16:33pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Some perceptions from the knee-jerk Jewish Democrats. I was tempted to write these up dramatically, but I think they're fairly clear.

There is a difference between not being in favor or a policy and then doing something to PUNISH Israel.

279 screaming_eagle  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:16:37pm

re: #267 American Sabra

hehehe Sorry I meant more money for education.

Is it your belief that the problem with education is the lack of money?

280 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:16:50pm
Nobody remembers Daniel Webster any more?

There was a school in St Paul Minnesota named after him. Until last week. Now it is a public school named after Barry Obama. Serious. They renamed it.

281 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #265 MandyManners

All of the above to various degrees.

Wow! Shocked I tell's ya! Clearly not enough to switch sides, I'm assuming.

282 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:17:04pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

No, Judge Nepalitano is working on getting a show. He's on the online version of Fox now.

As I've said before, those who care about such things need to keep on getting in touch with Roger Ailes.

283 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:17:26pm

re: #264 American Sabra

Not true. Nixon was Israel's only TRUE friend. In fact, without Nixon, it's a question of whether Israel would be here today.

Nixon came thru when it mattered

284 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:17:36pm

re: #276 Last Mohican

Alex Jones and Janeane Garofolo have TV shows on the same network?

That must be one hell of an office Christmas Party. I hope I never get invited.

Are you kidding? That'd be a blast!

285 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:17:37pm

re: #272 eon

That was exactly what WWW's creator, Michael Garrison, had in mind. And the producer, John Mantley, carried it off very well. (It was one of only two "Western" TV shows I ever watched regularly, the other being Have Gun-Will Travel.)

Interestingly, a decade later, Mantley tried the same basic formula again, except set in the future in outer space. The show starred Gil Gerard and Erin Gray. Yes, Buck Rogers In The 25th Century on NBC. After a decent first season, NBC dumped Mantley, and all the cat except Gerard and Gray, and tried to make it a low-rent Star Trek with overtones of Battlestar Galactica. It crashed and burned after less than a half-season.

/I loved Erin gray's skintight catsuits, though. Never was an SF/ spy-movie cliche' carried off more attractively other than by Diana Rigg in The Avengers.

cheers

eon

Have you seen "Brisco County"? Bruce Campbell starred in an almost over-the-top Western with science fiction elements.

286 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:17:54pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Some perceptions from the knee-jerk Jewish Democrats. I was tempted to write these up dramatically, but I think they're fairly clear.

Remembering former Presidents' attitudes to Israel is a bit like remembering your win/loss ratio at the craps table. The good times are emphasized at the expense of the bad times.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:18:07pm

re: #278 Nevergiveup

There is a difference between not being in favor or a policy and then doing something to PUNISH Israel.

OK. We don't see eye to eye on this, I doubt we will.

288 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:18:08pm

re: #275 MandyManners

Garofolo?

Yeah.

re: #276 Last Mohican

Alex Jones and Janeane Garofolo have TV shows on the same network?

That must be one hell of an office Christmas Party. I hope I never get invited.

No. They were on the same show. Don't ask for a report; I'd have to answer 'not present'.

289 Buster  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:18:08pm

When I read of and watch the aftermath of radical Muslim fanatics I find myself in disbelief. How can these people have regressed to a 500 year old mindset!

The words of a fanatic like James Edwards remind me (much to my chagrin) that there are people who will tell you they are Christians who have regressed to the days of pogroms, and embody a similar mindset.

Good people must always speak up to prevent the fanatics from hijacking their beliefs.

290 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:18:38pm

re: #281 American Sabra

Wow! Shocked I tell's ya! Clearly not enough to switch sides, I'm assuming.

I was a card-carrying member of the CPUSA when I was a young adult. I'm now the same in the GOP.

291 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:18:48pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

But they don't. And Obama won't.

They don't? Are you saying America has NEVER cut off/slowed down sales to Israel? You better read up your history. And they have already threatened to withdraw political support at the UN.

292 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:19:20pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

But they don't. And Obama won't can't.

FTFY

Israel has too many friends on BOTH sides of the aisle in congress.

293 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:19:22pm

re: #288 razorbacker

No. They were on the same show. Don't ask for a report; I'd have to answer 'not present'.

Was it a regular show or, were they guests of someone?

294 opnion  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:19:29pm

re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist

He has terrible taste in friends, that's for sure.

I'm not an Obama booster. But I don't think his administration is nearly as hell-bent on screwing Israel over as some seem to think.

Toss in sitting in a pew twice a month for twenty years with Reverend Wright spewing anti Semiticism and he doesn't walk out or at least change churches. Doesn't look good.

295 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:19:45pm

re: #279 screaming_eagle

Is it your belief that the problem with education is the lack of money?

Some if it is the lack, some of it is use. I certainly don't think teachers are paid enough for what they have to deal with. And I think when it's time for states to cut programs, they often cut those additional education programs, such as programs designed for the underprivileged or inner city kids. Least it was that way in my state.

296 ihateronpaul  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:19:53pm

I thought this show was internet only at first, but discovered THREE stations carry it.

* WLRM (Millington, Tennessee)
* KHQN (Spanish Fork, Utah)
* KNAK-AM (Delta, Utah)


So yeah bullshit like this is what I have to say to those ignorant fucks that think racism is a liberal blame the victim plot. It still exists and needs to be stopped.

297 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:19:57pm

re: #285 Kosh's Shadow

Have you seen "Brisco County"? Bruce Campbell starred in an almost over-the-top Western with science fiction elements.

Yes, and I'm still p***ed that we never learned just what was in that box.

cheers

eon

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:19:58pm

re: #286 John Neverbend

Remembering former Presidents' attitudes to Israel is a bit like remembering your win/loss ratio at the craps table. The good times are emphasized at the expense of the bad times.

Oh, decidedly.

299 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:20:01pm

re: #285 Kosh's Shadow

Have you seen "Brisco County"? Bruce Campbell starred in an almost over-the-top Western with science fiction elements.

The only problem with Brisco, though, was there were no women with skin tight catsuits.
There was the cabaret dancer Dixie Cousins, and a girl from the future who showed up naked, and in the first episode, a nice looking woman playing Prof. Wickwire's daughter. (The prof himself showed up again; he was played by John Astin.)

300 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:20:10pm

re: #269 American Sabra

Killgore knows the score.

AS ... Killgore knows the score from his perception ... as we all do ...

/sorry Killgore to bring you into this post with AS ...

301 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:20:11pm

re: #282 MandyManners

As I've said before, those who care about such things need to keep on getting in touch with Roger Ailes.

Sadly there aren't enough people who care. This is all going to get worse before it gets better.

302 Last Mohican  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:20:21pm

re: #288 razorbacker

No. They were on the same show. Don't ask for a report; I'd have to answer 'not present'.

Seriously?

Nobody tell me they're dating each other. My head might explode.

303 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:20:44pm

re: #296 ihateronpaul

I thought this show was internet only at first, but discovered THREE stations carry it.

* WLRM (Millington, Tennessee)
* KHQN (Spanish Fork, Utah)
* KNAK-AM (Delta, Utah)


So yeah bullshit like this is what I have to say to those ignorant fucks that think racism is a liberal blame the victim plot. It still exists and needs to be stopped.

MILLINGTON?

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:20:45pm

re: #291 Nevergiveup

They don't? Are you saying America has NEVER cut off/slowed down sales to Israel? You better read up your history. And they have already threatened to withdraw political support at the UN.

They won't.

305 ihateronpaul  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:21:34pm

re: #294 opnion

Toss in sitting in a pew twice a month for twenty years with Reverend Wright spewing anti Semiticism and he doesn't walk out or at least change churches. Doesn't look good.

And yet if he hadn't gone to church he wouldn't have been elected due to being an atheist - he can't win!

306 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:21:35pm

re: #301 Killgore Trout

Sadly there aren't enough people who care. This is all going to get worse before it gets better.

How do you know this?

307 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:21:45pm

re: #301 Killgore Trout

Sadly there aren't enough people who care. This is all going to get worse before it gets better.

Killgore ... on this I agree with you ...

This is all going to get worse before it gets better.

what the meaning of "this" is ... I am not sure ...

308 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:21:57pm

re: #4 MandyManners

I'd ask for proof but, it'd be covered in his poop.

To give the devil his due:

Doctors are disproportionately Jewish. (There's an old joke that the Jews crucified J. because he refused to become a doctor or lawyer.)

(Legal) abortionists have to be MDs.

So inevitably, a list of abortionists is going to have a disproportionately high share of my coreligionists than you would expect by statistics. (Especially after you factor in that MDs who are practicing Catholics or evangelical Protestants will avoid this "sub-specialty".)

309 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:06pm

re: #290 MandyManners

I was a card-carrying member of the CPUSA when I was a young adult. I'm now the same in the GOP.

Get outa town. Mandy was an ex-Commie? Holy Worker's Party Batman!

(I was a liberal but not a commie, btw)

310 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:08pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

They won't.

/it couldn't happen here...

311 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:15pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

They won't.

Both Ford and Reagan suspended sales of Fighter Aircraft to Israel.

312 3 wood  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:17pm

OT:

FDIC Delays Pilot Sale of Toxic Bank Loans


The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp has postponed its planned June pilot sale of toxic bank loans, but said the overall program will continue, it announced Wednesday.

FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said banks have been able to raise capital without having to sell their bad assets through the FDIC's so-called Legacy Loan Program.

"As a consequence, banks and their supervisors will take additional time to assess the magnitude and timing of troubled assets sales as part of our larger efforts to strengthen the banking sector," Bair said in a statement.

I think we will see that, now that the M2M is adjusted, many of these loans are actually worth a lot of money.

313 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:19pm

re: #302 Last Mohican

Seriously?

Nobody tell me they're dating each other. My head might explode.

Imagine if they bred.

314 ihateronpaul  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:27pm

re: #303 MandyManners

MILLINGTON?

get this - it is a christian talk station

the fun never stops in the racist south

315 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:49pm

re: #240 Dave the.....

I know that is popular on LGF, but question...since Republicans abandoned fiscal consveratism, how have they done in elections? All those big gov't Democrats are now voting for big government Republicans?

When fiscal conservatives are alienated in the party, the GOP loses. When fiscal conservatism is championed, we win.

316 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:50pm

re: #299 Kosh's Shadow

The only problem with Brisco, though, was there were no women with skin tight catsuits.
There was the cabaret dancer Dixie Cousins, and a girl from the future who showed up naked, and in the first episode, a nice looking woman playing Prof. Wickwire's daughter. (The prof himself showed up again; he was played by John Astin.)

GOMEZ!

317 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:22:52pm

re: #309 American Sabra

Get outa town. Mandy was an ex-Commie? Holy Worker's Party Batman!

(I was a liberal but not a commie, btw)

AS ... yeah, maybe one reason it is easier for her to "spot" other commies ...

318 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:23:01pm

re: #308 Former Belgian

To give the devil his due:

Doctors are disproportionately Jewish. (There's an old joke that the Jews crucified J. because he refused to become a doctor or lawyer.)

(Legal) abortionists have to be MDs.

So inevitably, a list of abortionists is going to have a disproportionately high share of my coreligionists than you would expect by statistics. (Especially after you factor in that MDs who are practicing Catholics or evangelical Protestants will avoid this "sub-specialty".)

So it comes down to statistics.

319 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:23:24pm

re: #300 JacksonTn

AS ... Killgore knows the score from his perception ... as we all do ...

/sorry Killgore to bring you into this post with AS ...

Hey, when you're right, you're right and he's right more often than not.

320 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:23:24pm

re: #309 American Sabra

Get outa town. Mandy was an ex-Commie? Holy Worker's Party Batman!

(I was a liberal but not a commie, btw)

I was a Commie but never a liberal.

321 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:23:43pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

Sorry but this is the topic of the thread. If you object to people discussing it perhaps you'd be more happy on another thread. I think your anger is misplaced.

Excuse me? I thought the topic of this thread was James Edward's antisemitic comments on the murder of Dr. Tiller. You've made it into why Jews (and others) won't vote Republican.

Killgore, that was disingenous of you, IMHO.

322 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:23:56pm

re: #305 ihateronpaul

And yet if he hadn't gone to church he wouldn't have been elected due to being an atheist - he can't win!

Where did Ronald Reagan go to church? Seriously.

323 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:24:02pm

re: #319 American Sabra

Hey, when you're right, you're right and he's right more often than not.

AS ... maybe from your perspective ...

324 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:24:26pm

re: #314 ihateronpaul

get this - it is a christian talk station

the fun never stops in the racist south

Oh, fuck you.

325 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:24:39pm

OT and on a lighter note, my South Carolina dealer is done prepping a 1963 Avanti for sale. Any trivia nuts know what a horse had to do with Studebaker from 61-66 ?
Avanti Pictures.

326 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:25:00pm

I'm gonna' take a break before I break my keyboard. bbiasec

327 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:25:20pm

re: #306 MandyManners

Just a guess. I can't actually see into the future.

328 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:26:06pm

re: #325 avanti

OT and on a lighter note, my South Carolina dealer is done prepping a 1963 Avanti for sale. Any trivia nuts know what a horse had to do with Studebaker from 61-66 ?
Avanti Pictures.

Avanti ... I do ... and is that the car you have for sale now? ... how much you asking ... not that I am in the market for one ....

329 opnion  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:26:07pm

re: #305 ihateronpaul

And yet if he hadn't gone to church he wouldn't have been elected due to being an atheist - he can't win!

I don't follow you. He went to a Black Liberation , anti American & anti Semetic Church.
It is amazing that he got past that to get elected. There are plenty of main stream Christian churches in Hyde Park.

330 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:26:30pm

re: #319 American Sabra

Thank you. It's nice to get a little support from time to time.

331 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:26:42pm

re: #308 Former Belgian

To give the devil his due:

Doctors are disproportionately Jewish. (There's an old joke that the Jews crucified J. because he refused to become a doctor or lawyer.)

(Legal) abortionists have to be MDs.

So inevitably, a list of abortionists is going to have a disproportionately high share of my coreligionists than you would expect by statistics. (Especially after you factor in that MDs who are practicing Catholics or evangelical Protestants will avoid this "sub-specialty".)

You have a report saying that doctors are disporportionately Jewish or you just assuming. Maybe they just assume that. With the amount of Jews in the U.S., 2% or less? it's hard to believe such a thing is true.

332 screaming_eagle  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:26:43pm

re: #295 American Sabra

Some if it is the lack, some of it is use. I certainly don't think teachers are paid enough for what they have to deal with. And I think when it's time for states to cut programs, they often cut those additional education programs, such as programs designed for the underprivileged or inner city kids. Least it was that way in my state.

In my area teachers are paid about average. Could be better, could be worse. However they have awesome benifits. A fact that tends to get overlooked. Why is it in the rural county I live in we have to buy new math books every 5 years because the state says so? Does 1+1 no longer equal 2?

333 brookly red  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:26:46pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Just a guess. I can't actually see into the future.

I can & it sucks.

334 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:26:53pm

re: #325 avanti

OT and on a lighter note, my South Carolina dealer is done prepping a 1963 Avanti for sale. Any trivia nuts know what a horse had to do with Studebaker from 61-66 ?
Avanti Pictures.

Mr. Ed was the sponsor.

335 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:27:22pm

re: #333 brookly red

I can & it sucks.

Thanks for the heads up.

336 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:27:23pm

re: #328 JacksonTn

I'll go on ebay, and the bidders will decide. Maybe 15-20K

337 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:27:35pm

re: #325 avanti

OT and on a lighter note, my South Carolina dealer is done prepping a 1963 Avanti for sale. Any trivia nuts know what a horse had to do with Studebaker from 61-66 ?
Avanti Pictures.

Mr Ed was their spokeshorse.

338 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:27:37pm

re: #314 ihateronpaul

get this - it is a christian talk station

the fun never stops in the racist south

Yeah, because the entire south is exactly like Millington, TN, population 10,433. WLRM is obviously a media powerhouse.

Sod off, swampy.

339 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:28:01pm

I think the point is that Obama (who in my opinion is an athiest) chose a church in Chicago that would further his political career. Just like years ago, if you were a businessman in a small town, you wanted to be sure to be seen each Sunday morning in church.

340 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:28:03pm

CHARLES,,,OT ,,, I wasn't around earlier when you posted

Why doesn’t anyone ever ask: if this is really bin Laden, why doesn’t he ever appear on video like every other Al Qaeda freakazoid?

Much for the same reason photos of FDR in his wheelchair were never released during WW2 ,,, MORAL,,
Much for the same reason Kim Jong Il wasn't seen for many many months after what is thought to be a major stroke,, wouldn't do good for the common folk to see their "God" all fragile
Much for the same reasons there isn't much footage available from Hitlers last days.,, Seeing the Fuhrers arm shaking uncontrollably while exhorting the troops that victory could still be won is bad PR

I'm sure some other LIZARD most likely hypothesized as I had in the overnight when the link was 1st mentioned.

341 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:28:05pm

re: #299 Kosh's Shadow

The only problem with Brisco, though, was there were no women with skin tight catsuits.
There was the cabaret dancer Dixie Cousins, and a girl from the future who showed up naked, and in the first episode, a nice looking woman playing Prof. Wickwire's daughter. (The prof himself showed up again; he was played by John Astin.)

Have you ever seen The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne? At least one attractive (and very dangerous) lady in skintight leather in each episode- Phileas Fogg's sister, Lwaxana. Not to mention a guest villainess role' in similar couture' for Tracy Scoggins.

/Another victim of Sci-Fi Channel's determination to "distance" itself from ...science fiction.

cheers

eon

342 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:28:07pm

re: #334 John Neverbend

Mr. Ed was the sponsor.

Damn, nailed it. Here's a cookie.

343 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:29:55pm

re: #217 American Sabra

lol So that would be the strong economy of Bush, not Clinton?

Well now you're saying that Dems are too stupid and lazy to know better and I know you didn't quite mean that! Didja?

the Bush economy was strong for 80% of his term in office. And long before it went south, the Dems had demonized Bush. Does this clear things up at all?

344 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:29:55pm

re: #342 avanti

Damn, nailed it. Here's a cookie.

Ooh, that was lucky. I've never even heard of him. (With apologies to "spot the brain cell")

345 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #320 MandyManners

I was a Commie but never a liberal.

How can that be? According to the vast Lizard population the two are inextricable connected. Have you forgotten that Obama is a Commie?

346 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:31:51pm

re: #345 American Sabra

How can that be? According to the vast Lizard population the two are inextricable connected. Have you forgotten that Obama is a Commie?

His mommie was a commie

347 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:32:03pm

re: #325 avanti

OT and on a lighter note, my South Carolina dealer is done prepping a 1963 Avanti for sale. Any trivia nuts know what a horse had to do with Studebaker from 61-66 ?
Avanti Pictures.

Studebaker began back in the 19th century, making horse-drawn carriages. In fact, one specific type of four-wheeled "spring carriage" (i.e., one with a spring shock-absorber system between the chassis and the passenger compartment), built for a four-horse hitch, was commonly known as a "studebaker" regardless of who actually made it; Studebaker originated the pattern.

cheers

eon

348 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:32:09pm

re: #345 American Sabra

How can that be? According to the vast Lizard population the two are inextricable connected. Have you forgotten that Obama is a Commie?

And so was his Mommy!

349 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:32:13pm

Filip DeWinter, Jim Gilchrist, Chris Simcox, and David Duke have been guests on the Political Cesspool. Like they say, birds of a feather flock together.

James Edwards is one of the lowest forms of life on Earth. Here's his insane take on Micahel Steele's take on the upcoming Sotomayor hearings:

Of course Steele doesn’t want the GOP to oppose the the first Hispanic woman picked for the court. He and she are on the same team. They’re co-belligerents in the war against white people. Neither one would be in the position they are today without having benefited massively from anti-white discrimination their entire adult lives. Steele knows that, and he’s giving Sotomayor her props as a fellow soldier in the war on white people.

350 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:32:27pm

re: #344 John Neverbend

Ooh, that was lucky. I've never even heard of him. (With apologies to "spot the brain cell")

There is a Mr Ed commercial
here.

351 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:32:30pm

re: #341 eon

Have you ever seen The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne? At least one attractive (and very dangerous) lady in skintight leather in each episode- Phileas Fogg's sister, Lwaxana. Not to mention a guest villainess role' in similar couture' for Tracy Scoggins.

/Another victim of Sci-Fi Channel's determination to "distance" itself from ...science fiction.

cheers

eon

I missed that one.
I do wish Sci-Fi would show more science fiction, but their name change to SyFy or something equally stupid isn't a good sign.
There is another Stargate series coming up, and I hope Sanctuary comes back; I didn't expect to like it but I did. (And it has its share of hot women as well.)

352 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:32:41pm

re: #346 Nevergiveup

I swear teacher, I did not copy!

/

353 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:32:46pm

#264 American Sabra

Not true. Nixon was Israel's only TRUE friend. In fact, without Nixon, it's a question of whether Israel would be here today.

I am not sure about Nixon being particularly fond of Jews, but he was a friend of Israel for other reasons (mostly Cold War related). If I'm drowning I'm not going to inquire after the motives of the man who sticks out his hand to pull me out.

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:33:13pm

re: #310 brookly red

/it couldn't happen here...

Oh don't pull that on me.

I'm being very serious. My perception is that U.S. policy on Israel is not particularly party-driven. What I've gotten back, as an answer is "but Barack Obama is a super-special sinister person, and now the whole game is different". Is that basically what I'm hearing here? or does someone want to actually discuss the trends of support for Israel through various administrations and try to come up with a strong argument that Republican support is so much better that it demands the
Jewish vote? Which is, I guess, what I came in asking for.

355 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:34:58pm

re: #343 _RememberTonyC

the Bush economy was strong for 80% of his term in office. And long before it went south, the Dems had demonized Bush. Does this clear things up at all?

You think the economy took a nose dive in the last.... what is 20% of 8 years... 2 years? I think the housing market was driving things out of control for at least 4-5 years. It started to soar in 2002, IIRC.

Bush was also a spending freak and no one can beat Clinton on the economy.

And with that said, I have to jet. I'll bbl.

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:35:13pm

re: #311 Nevergiveup

Both Ford and Reagan suspended sales of Fighter Aircraft to Israel.

What party did they belong to again?

357 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:35:17pm

re: #345 American Sabra

How can that be? According to the vast Lizard population the two are inextricable connected. Have you forgotten that Obama is a Commie?

Obama has socialistic tendencies
SOCIALISMa theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

sound familiar?

He could cross the line, but I doubt it

COMMUNISM a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

358 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:36:14pm

re: #355 American Sabra

You think the economy took a nose dive in the last.... what is 20% of 8 years... 2 years? I think the housing market was driving things out of control for at least 4-5 years. It started to soar in 2002, IIRC.

Bush was also a spending freak and no one can beat Clinton on the economy.

And with that said, I have to jet. I'll bbl.

Yeah Clinton! My first and only time to be laid off was under Unkie Bill! What a great economy!

/

How great the economy is is judged by how well I am doing!

359 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:36:50pm

re: #271 avanti

Cushion for the pushin, I say.

That rules out Obama. ; )

360 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:37:14pm

re: #357 sattv4u2

Obama has socialistic tendencies
SOCIALISMa theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

sound familiar?

He could cross the line, but I doubt it

COMMUNISM a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

OK, so "we" only own 60% of GM, and the shareholders own zip.

To be Communist, I suppose it would have to be 100% and the capitalist shareholders would get bullets!

/

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:37:19pm

re: #339 Dave the.....

I think the point is that Obama (who in my opinion is an athiest) chose a church in Chicago that would further his political career. Just like years ago, if you were a businessman in a small town, you wanted to be sure to be seen each Sunday morning in church.

Hilariously, Oprah also started out in Rev. Wright's church, but left, in part because she was building her career, and wanted to be seen as accessible to white viewers.

Irony, weird irony...

362 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:37:44pm

re: #355 American Sabra

You think the economy took a nose dive in the last.... what is 20% of 8 years... 2 years? I think the housing market was driving things out of control for at least 4-5 years. It started to soar in 2002, IIRC.

Bush was also a spending freak and no one can beat Clinton on the economy.

And with that said, I have to jet. I'll bbl.

You fail to mention ONE important fact

Congress spends (and approves) expenditures
Clintons last 4 years ,, Repub Congress

Bush last 2 years ,,,, Dem Congress

and no, the housing market did NOT start tanking in 2002.

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:38:02pm

re: #346 Nevergiveup

His mommie was a commie

But he didn't turn her in!

364 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:38:35pm

re: #360 OldLineTexan

OK, so "we" only own 60% of GM, and the shareholders own zip.

To be Communist, I suppose it would have to be 100% and the capitalist shareholders would get bullets!

/


And they will LIKE it ,, and they will NOT complain !

365 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:39:26pm

re: #341 eon

Another victim of Sci-Fi Channel's determination to "distance" itself from ...science fiction.

I was wondering why ECW is being shown on Sci-Fi.

366 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:39:40pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

But he didn't turn her in!

A good son. He gets points from me for that.

367 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:39:50pm

re: #353 Former Belgian

#264 American Sabra


I am not sure about Nixon being particularly fond of Jews, but he was a friend of Israel for other reasons (mostly Cold War related). If I'm drowning I'm not going to inquire after the motives of the man who sticks out his hand to pull me out.

Well that's the crazy part about it. He was an anti-Semite, but he gave arms and $ to Israel when they needed it, at a very crucial time. Ask an Israeli what they think of Nixon. He was their hero.

You are right, however. The cold war with Russia and having Israel there as an ally was more than likely his motivation.

Motivation makes no matter. It's what you DO that matters. Or don't do as the case may be.

368 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:40:27pm

re: #357 sattv4u2

Obama has socialistic tendencies
SOCIALISMa theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

sound familiar?

He could cross the line, but I doubt it

COMMUNISM a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

He's a Democrat! Of course he's "socialist". What do you think Democrats are? Republicans?

369 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:41:35pm

re: #329 opnion

I don't follow you. He went to a Black Liberation , anti American & anti Semetic Church.
It is amazing that he got past that to get elected. There are plenty of main stream Christian churches in Hyde Park.

Yes, but none as politically expedient in his early career, when he needed "street-cred" with a particular electorate. He only threw them under the bus when they became a political liability on the national scene.

I seriously wonder if he believes in anything other than his own boundless ambition. And that is, in fact, an optimistic scenario, since opportunistic hacks will generally recoil from doing things that will permanently cook their goose.

370 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:42:11pm

re: #362 sattv4u2

You fail to mention ONE important fact

Congress spends (and approves) expenditures
Clintons last 4 years ,, Repub Congress

Bush last 2 years ,,,, Dem Congress

and no, the housing market did NOT start tanking in 2002.

I hear it from Republicans all the time. Whenever Clinton did something good it was only because of the Republican Congress. Well that Congress fought him tooth and nail on everything, especially welfare reform which he vetoed twice because Congress wouldn't accept it.

I said the real estate market started to SOAR in 2002, not tank.

371 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:42:51pm

re: #370 American Sabra

I hear it from Republicans all the time. Whenever Clinton did something good it was only because of the Republican Congress. Well that Congress fought him tooth and nail on everything, especially welfare reform which he vetoed twice because Congress wouldn't accept it.

sorry "would" accept it.

I have to go, i'll be back.

372 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:43:27pm

re: #368 American Sabra

He's a Democrat! Of course he's "socialist". What do you think Democrats are? Republicans?

See JFK,,,,
policy by policy, both domestic and foriegn, by todays standards he would be a Republican yet he is one of THE icons for the Democrats, including todays. If they would seriously review his ideas (not hos charisma) they would be SHOCKED

373 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:43:39pm

re: #371 American Sabra

Pffttt just ignore me... I'm rushing!

374 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:44:40pm

re: #370 American Sabra

I said the real estate market started to SOAR in 2002, not tank.

sorry ,, I misread that part. I stand by the rest of my post(s)

375 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:45:49pm

re: #368 American Sabra

He's a Democrat! Of course he's "socialist". What do you think Democrats are? Republicans?

On average, more social-democrat (i.e., advocates of a nanny state and of Keynesian economic policies) than socialist (favoring at least partial state ownership of the means of production).

376 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:47:05pm

re: #365 John Neverbend

I was wondering why ECW is being shown on Sci-Fi.

It's cheap to make, and makes lots of ad money due to appealing to a "key demographic", or so I understand.

I'm not sure what "demographic" they mean.

Screaming teenage girls?

Over-testosteroned twentysomethings?

Kids who collect every wrestling action figure that exists?

If this is the "core of commerce", no wonder we're in a recession.

cheers

eon

377 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:47:35pm

This fellow is ohhh so charming...
Just like everyone else in the Buchannan crowd, charming. Lovely people.

///////

I actually heard old Pat on the air going off on how he thinks that Judge Sotomayer is an intellectual lightweight. He was mocking her time at Princeton. Of course the message that he wants you to take is that she was a no-one who only got into Princeton out of pity, because she is in his eyes, an ungifted Hispanic... Well, she is Hispanic and she wouldn't give old Pat the time of day, so of course she must be talentless... Well that's the line he wants to send out, and it's the line that all too many of the GOP are happy to state either implicitly or explicitly. This is interesting because this was in 1979, at that time Princeton had few women and less than 20 latinas

She won the Pyne Prize there. That is the top award for an undergraduate at that university. It does not go to trivial people.

She went on to Yale law school - also a huge rarity for Latinas in those days and became editor of the Law Review. This does not happen to trivial or untalented people.

You can disagree with her all you want on a given issue, but only an idiot would consider her trivial. Only a racist would dare to suggest that her very strong academic achievements we somehow racial consolation prizes. The fact of the matter is that she has more intelligence in her nail pairings than old Pat ever had.

For those of you who know something about legal legends, she was a district attorney who worked for Robert Morgenthau. She got that job right out of law school. She was that good. Also note, she started as a prosecutor.

But no, the racist smear machine on the right would just love to paint her as an idiot Hispanic Woman with no real credentials. The basis of their argument is that 1. Obama nominated her, and 2, She is an Hispanic woman. Great show!

They would love to paint her as a left wing nightmare.

I got this quote from her prosecuting days from Wiki

She felt the lower-level crimes were largely products of socioeconomic environment and poverty, but had a different attitude about serious felonies: "No matter how liberal I am, I'm still outraged by crimes of violence. Regardless of whether I can sympathize with the causes that lead these individuals to do these crimes, the effects are outrageous."Hispanic-on-Hispanic crime was of particular concern to her: "The saddest crimes for me were the ones that my own people committed against each other." She also worked on cases involving police brutality. In general, she showed a passion for bringing law and order to the streets of New York, and had a special zeal in pursuing child pornography cases, unusual for the time.

That's not the sort of thing that Pat or Rush wants people to know now is it? My that makes her sound well reasoned, passionate and principled...

But that's ok. The GOP talking heads can go back to trying to paint her as a super moonbat, unintelligent racial charity case.

Thanks Pat.

Thanks Rush.

Perhaps you can ask yourselves why so many Americans see the GOP as racist.

378 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:48:27pm

re: #376 eon

Kids who collect every wrestling action figure that exists?

If this is the "core of commerce", no wonder we're in a recession

Those Chinese sweat shops really know how to make an American action figure, huh!

379 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:48:42pm

re: #359 capitalist piglet

That rules out Obama. ; )

That's OK, I'm not AC/DC, I only go one way.

380 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:50:06pm

re: #379 avanti

That's OK, I'm not AC/DC, I only go one way.


unfortunately, you do that on dead end streets!

381 zelnaga  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 2:55:24pm

Well, "The Political Cesspool" is sure living up to its name.

I think Howard Stern sometimes tries to be vulgar. Does "The Political Cesspool" have similar aspirations?

382 eon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:01:51pm

re: #372 sattv4u2

See JFK,,,,
policy by policy, both domestic and foriegn, by todays standards he would be a Republican yet he is one of THE icons for the Democrats, including todays. If they would seriously review his ideas (not hos charisma) they would be SHOCKED

He's an icon purely because his assassination allows the "progressives" to blame "non-progressives" for everything that has gone wrong since. (They tend to gloss over LBJ's party affiliation.) In the progressive mind, "right-wingers" conspired to murder JFK. Period. Dot. And those "right-wingers" have Run The World And Opposed Social Justice ever since.

You see, it's easier than admitting that their martyr died at the hands of a seriously disaffected wannabee Communist named Lee Harvey Oswald, who was pissed off at JFK for humiliating his (Oswald's) two idols, Castro and Khrushchev, a year earlier (the Cuban Missile Crisis). Plus, after Oswald tried to murder General Walker (and missed- with the same rifle he used on JFK), Connally called the (then unidentified) shooter "scum" in an interview; in Oswald's warped and twisted little mind, that was a personal insult that had to be "avenged".

So, when it was announced that the two would be in Dallas on the same day, and the Dallas Morning News provided a photo on the front page a week in advance showing that their motorcade would be going right past the building he worked in, he concluded it was time for a double-header in payback.

In short, Oswald murdered JFK for the same reason Olaf Palme' was murdered in Sweden; in each case, the killer resented the fact that the victim wasn't a "true socialist".

Which means that JFK died due to the excesses of the "progressives'" own philosophy- at the hands of what they would regard as a "true believer".

As I said, it's easier for them to blame the CIA, etc., than admit that they need to re-examine their own beliefs.

/Speaking from long experience with the various "assassination conspiracy" theories, going back to elementary school teachers who were "Oswald-was-a-patsy" theorists.

cheers

eon

383 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:02:51pm
384 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:03:27pm

re: #65 Creeping Eruption

/No their not. They are just critical of Israel. Many of them have Jewish friends, don't you know.

I know your comment is sarcasm, but I really don't see the left as a mirror image of the right when it comes to racism. The criticism I've seen on far-left blogs is all couched in terms of criticizing Israeli foreign policy. I have never seen the mere word "Jew" used as a sinister epithet there, as it is in Edwards' article above and routinely on many far-right blogs. If you have evidence otherwise, I'm open to being educated. Thanks.

385 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #377 LudwigVanQuixote

This fellow is ohhh so charming...
Just like everyone else in the Buchannan crowd, charming. Lovely people.

///////

I've probably said this before, but back when I was a Democrat I wanted to vote for Bush Senior (thought he had the balls it took to be president) second time around, until I heard Buchanan speak at the convention.....

Of course I'm not entirely sure if that was before or after I saw the quote from Bush that atheists could not be loyal Americans.//

386 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:35:28pm

re: #383 buzzsawmonkey

buzz ... you are right ... just as my parents were "Roosevelt is gonna save us all" democrats ... but things change ... and as I have said many times ... IMO ... voting one party only out of blind tradition of the past needs to change ... or not ... but IMO it would make for a better reflection of how people really feel ... now ...

387 Stuart Leviton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:09:20pm

re: #54 Ben Hur

Yes, yes, my friend, The Devil Came from Kansas (Procol Harum)

388 Cato  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:49:37pm

re: #377 LudwigVanQuixote

It is very difficult to look at facts when one has an inclination -- often based on facts -- against a particular ideology or individual. I very much oppose President Obama's economic and foreign policies. This makes it very difficult for me to fairly assess other aspects of his policy. One of the reason I keep coming back to LGF is because Charles is balanced, for the most part.

Guys like Buchanan and Rush cannot be balanced. They look through a prism at the world and associate the value of ideas and actions with their authors.

I have listened to recordings of Sotomayor from the bench.
I actually heard a thoughtful and FACT BASED jurist. I do not think conservatives should oppose her.

Of course, not only conservatives look through prisms. One of the great mysteries is why leftists hated Nixon so much. He created the EPA and opened China, yet...

389 PaxAmericana  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:57:35pm

::jaw drop::

wow, just wow

390 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:53:21pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

What happened to pressure from the Bush administration to crack down on 'illegal settlements'? Obama is doing the exact same thing the last administration did, but now I get hysterical e-mails about it.

Obama may turn out to be as anti-Israel as he's been hyped, but so far the evidence is pretty scanty. Previous to Obama, certainly, I see no distinct difference between parties in terms of their actual support for Israel. I am really open to hearing facts and opinions on this, but stuff like "He's not going to land his plane in Israel" won't do it for me. He's been there before, he will go there again.

Try this, for starters.

Bush (and especially Rice) didn't quite get it. But Obama so far appears to represent a sea change in the wrong direction. President Bush pushed for the "disengagement" from Gaza (later characterized by Condi as "not enough,") which has predictably turned into a nightmare. But in return Bush made certain commitments to Sharon (which those of us who opposed the expulsion warned at the time would not be binding on future administrations) which Obama clearly has no intention of honoring.

I continue to hang on to a shred of hope that his ego will trump his ideology and when he finally understands that neither Fatah nor Hamas nor any of the other "players" over there accord him even a modicum of respect he'll get mad. Pathetic, I know, but better than nothing.

391 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:31:09am

re: #272 eon

/I loved Erin Gray's skintight catsuits, though.

I call dibs on Gil Gerard modeling his 25th-century gold lamé slacks and no shirt!


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