Moronic Convergence of the Week: Creationism and the John Birch Society

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The theocratic, anti-civil-rights, paleoconservative, conspiracy-mongering John Birch Society got together with the anti-science, conspiracy-mongering, young earth creationist writer James Perloff yesterday in West Roxbury, Massachusetts, for a good old-fashioned evening of atavism: Darwin refuted and disputed at John Birch Society meeting.

After years of well-deserved marginalization, the John Birch Society is making a comeback, thanks to the promotional efforts of our good friends Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, and Judge Andrew Napolitano.

WEST ROXBURY - Members of the John Birch Society believe in protecting the U.S. Constitution from what they consider to be wavering while maintaining its integrity.

“Less government, more responsibility, and with God’s help, a better world” is the motto of the society that hosted author James Perloff at the West Roxbury Branch Library on Saturday afternoon. The gathering was in response to a recent celebration of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution in order to see the opposite side of the spectrum, which is creationism — a banned teaching in public school systems nationwide.

Perloff, who lives in Burlington, was brought in to elaborate on his findings against Darwin’s theory of evolution. He has written two books on the subject: “Tornado in a Junkyard” and “The Case against Darwin.”

The event was held in front of a small gathering and was kicked off with a prayer along with the Pledge of Allegiance led by Harold Shurtleff of West Roxbury, regional field director for the John Birch Society.

Perloff delivered his three-part PowerPoint rebuttal of Darwin’s theory of evolution in order to “underscore what people don’t know” and explain how many people have been persuaded to believe Darwin’s theory as fact while casting off creationism totally.

Perloff tried to draw parallels throughout history, attempting to connect individuals such as Andrew Carnegie, Karl Marx, Josef Stalin and Adolph Hitler with the teachings and rationales of Charles Darwin. He also told of his own life’s inner conflict, saying he was briefly turned into an atheist at a young age due to Darwin’s theory.

Perloff went on to say, “Survival of the fittest does not explain arrival of the fittest,” and that, “[the theory of] evolution is just speculation on the past and should not been seen as scientific fact.”

In the crowd was Birch Society member John Coveney of Weymouth, who said, “It was a great presentation. I’ve read his books and find [Perloff] informative.”

Coveney, talking about teaching creationism versus the theory of evolution in public schools, said, “Teach both evolution and creationism. Let them make up their own minds. It’s a free country, after all.”

Perloff is listed on the John Birch Society website as well; as a member of their “Speaker’s Bureau,” he’s well prepared to instruct your church or youth group about the dangers of the nefarious New World Order: James Perloff.

In The Shadows of Power, Mr. Perloff discusses the conspiracy that, directing U.S. foreign policy from behind the scenes, seeks to create a one-world government. This lecture embraces events as diverse as the Pearl Harbor cover-up, the founding of the Federal Reserve, the disastrous war in Vietnam, and the scheme to turn North America into a European-style union.

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246 comments

1 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:46:26pm

Oh, fer cryin' out loud.

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:47:02pm

I don't know how denying evolution is supposed to help create less government, and more responsibility....?

3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:48:18pm
The John Birch Society is making a comeback, of course, after years of well-deserved marginalization, thanks to the promotional efforts of our good friends Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, and Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Anyone who promotes the Birchers should spend eternity shining the shoes of W.F. Buckley and B. Goldwater.

4 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:48:27pm
“Teach both evolution and creationism. Let them make up their own minds. It’s a free country, after all.”

While we're at it, I say young students should be allowed make up their own multiplication tables. Its a free country after all.
/

5 JoseAngel  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:48:43pm

Still more conspiracy theories. When they start mixing them up with a little bit of history here and there, it just gets boring right away. I prefer "The Da Vinci Code" at the very least a good mix of historical facts with conspiracy theories.

6 Salamantis  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:48:50pm

All the nuts are gravitation to a single basket, ot seems...

7 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:49:07pm

re: #4 Mich-again

While we're at it, I say young students should be allowed make up their own multiplication tables. Its a free country after all.
/

Bring back the phlogiston theory.

8 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:49:12pm

So Perlman's the source of the "north american Union" kookspiracy that certain conservative bloggers have been slurping up like sugared shit the past few years...

9 Salamantis  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:49:15pm

re: #6 Salamantis

All the nuts are gravitation to a single basket, ot seems...

Umm...gravitatING...PIMF

10 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:51:12pm
Perloff tried to draw parallels throughout history, attempting to connect individuals such as Andrew Carnegie, Karl Marx, Josef Stalin and Adolph Hitler with the teachings and rationales of Charles Darwin.

And, of course, none of these men have anything to do with the theory of evolution. If there is any other theory that can be compared to evolution, it is capitalist economic theories.

11 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:51:35pm

"Build-a-Burger". I think that would be a good name for a greasy spoon franchise.

12 solomonpanting  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:52:14pm
" It’s a free country, after all.”

And you're free to go.

13 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:52:33pm

I'm stockpiling my Ameroes and getting ready to drive on the 14 lane super secret highway they are building for all the UN troops that are coming to enslave us! Long live the NWO!

/

14 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:53:15pm

re: #11 Mich-again

"Build-a-Burger". I think that would be a good name for a greasy spoon franchise.

I will open up "Cardio City" right next door and wait for the cash to start flowin'!

15 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:54:06pm

Killgore

Did you know Ron Paul is associated with the John Birch Society...

[Link: pursuingholiness.com...]

Oh my...

16 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:54:26pm

re: #13 Desert Dog

I'm stockpiling my Ameroes and getting ready to drive on the 14 lane super secret highway they are building for all the UN troops that are coming to enslave us!

And I like the part about how there are barcode labels on the back of all the highway signs to help them navigate if they get lost.

17 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:54:54pm

re: #4 Mich-again

While we're at it, I say young students should be allowed make up their own multiplication tables. Its a free country after all.
/

Teach both theories . . . let the kids decide! (Applied to things other than evolution.)

18 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:55:39pm

re: #16 Mich-again

And I like the part about how there are barcode labels on the back of all the highway signs to help them navigate if they get lost.

I await my new UN masters and their benevolent rule.

/in their dreams

19 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:55:42pm

re: #17 gmsc

Exactly.

20 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:55:56pm

I have this sudden urge for a Birch Beer. I haven't had one of those for like 20 years.....good thing I can get some groceries on Amazon.

22 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:56:31pm

re: #17 gmsc

Teach both theories . . . let the kids decide! (Applied to things other than evolution.)

Where, in science class?

23 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:57:33pm

re: #22 Walter L. Newton

Where, in science class?

Afraid to click the link?

24 jorline  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:57:54pm
WEST ROXBURY - Members of the John Birch Society believe in protecting the U.S. Constitution from what they consider to be wavering while maintaining its integrity.


A night at the Roxbury...who would have thought

25 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:58:04pm

re: #18 Desert Dog

I await my new UN masters and their benevolent rule.

The entire UN couldn't take over Taylor Michigan. They would be outgunned.

26 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:58:07pm

Charles,

I think "moonbat" is a term that applies only to the Left. We need a new category for the likes of the Birchers called "wingnuts."

/Sad but true

27 Teh Flowah  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:59:00pm

I know that they'll probably see this and I'm probably just adding fuel to the fire, but I've never gotten what was so terrible about a one world government. Especially a federal type system in which the American style is simply expanded. We didn't seem to mind expanding our borders even up to the 1950's.

28 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:59:13pm

re: #26 Carl in Jerusalem

Birchnuts?

Myself, I'm partial to the phrase 'paleocon'.

29 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:59:19pm

re: #23 gmsc

Afraid to click the link?

What do you mean? I clicked the link, it's a cartoon, where opposite topics are being taught by someone. So, I ask, evolution and creationism in the same class? Yes, no.

30 theheat  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:59:30pm

re: #17 gmsc

And pop and fast food would be complete food groups. Texting-speak would replace real language. Yeah, I can see how that would turn out just swell. Let the kids decide. Who are we to judge?

//

31 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:59:30pm

re: #25 Mich-again

The entire UN couldn't take over Taylor Michigan. They would be outgunned.

My money would be on Taylor, KO in the first round (early)

32 researchok  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:59:39pm

JBS, creationists and Ron Paul- a perfect storm.

Of stupidity.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:59:43pm
Coveney, talking about teaching creationism versus the theory of evolution in public schools, said, “Teach both evolution and creationism. Let them make up their own minds. It’s a free country, after all.”

Teach the validity of both abstinence and prostitution in schools, and let the kids decide. It's a free country, after all.
/

34 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:00:30pm

re: #27 Teh Flowah

but I've never gotten what was so terrible about a one world government.

Other than the part about all of us being slaves on the global plantation, whats not to love?

35 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:00:48pm

Ouch! Figures that it was held in The People's Republic of Massivetwoshits or massatwoshits, where I escaped from.

36 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:01:00pm

re: #17 gmsc

Teach both theories . . . let the kids decide! (Applied to things other than evolution.)

That does a very good job of illustrating how dumb that idea really is.

37 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:01:18pm

Earthers and Birchers and Paul, Oh My!

38 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:01:27pm

re: #27 Teh Flowah

I know that they'll probably see this and I'm probably just adding fuel to the fire, but I've never gotten what was so terrible about a one world government. Especially a federal type system in which the American style is simply expanded. We didn't seem to mind expanding our borders even up to the 1950's.

I hope you are joking. Look at the UN, do you want that group running your "federal system"? If the entire world shared our values, sure, why not. Most of the world does not.

39 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:01:58pm

re: #37 Racer X

Earthers and Birchers and Paul, Oh My!

Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest?

40 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:03:34pm

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

What do you mean? I clicked the link, it's a cartoon, where opposite topics are being taught by someone. So, I ask, evolution and creationism in the same class? Yes, no.

Oh, I thought you were referring to my comment "Applied to things other than evolution" when you were asking "Where? In science class?". So, it sounded like you hadn't clicked the link to see the cartoon.

Many people want evolution and creationism taught in the same science class, which is the point at which the cartoon was poking fun.

41 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:03:47pm

re: #28 Fenway_Nation

Birchnuts?

Myself, I'm partial to the phrase 'paleocon'.

whackos?

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:04:12pm

Colony of the Birchmen

Feat. that dude from QotSA.

43 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:05:09pm

I've got it!

How about we call 'em Birch Barkers?

44 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:05:15pm

Paulians, Birchers, ID'ers, White Supremacists, Pro-life Murderers, Right wing wackos, Muslin terrorists, Socialist President, Financial collapse,
The eff'n sky is falling!
Anyone got any ideas besides just posting about it?

/part of the problem or part of the solution?

45 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:05:32pm

re: #39 Desert Dog

Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest?

46 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:05:39pm

i'd say the meeting and it's attendees are living proof of devolution.....

all they need are the red hats and the yellow jumpsuits. %-)

47 pink freud  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:06:02pm

re: #38 Desert Dog

I hope you are joking. Look at the UN, do you want that group running your "federal system"? If the entire world shared our values, sure, why not. Most of the world does not.

The problem here, DD, is that there are a whole lot of Americans that think just like Teh Flower indicates ...I hear this all the time on campus. You say "our values" and I know you mean democracy, conservatism, capitalism, etc ....but there are MANY Americans that are lusting for socialism or worse, and think the UN is a fine example of a ruling world body.

48 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:06:07pm

re: #44 IslandLibertarian

Paulians, Birchers, ID'ers, White Supremacists, Pro-life Murderers, Right wing wackos, Muslin terrorists, Socialist President, Financial collapse,
The eff'n sky is falling!
Anyone got any ideas besides just posting about it?

/part of the problem or part of the solution?

i suggest you start drinking heavily.

49 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:06:21pm

I grew up not too far from there. I'd never expect Birchers in liberal Massachusetts.

Note this is West Roxbury, not Roxbury.

50 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:06:31pm

re: #44 IslandLibertarian

Paulians, Birchers, ID'ers, White Supremacists, Pro-life Murderers, Right wing wackos, Muslin terrorists, Socialist President, Financial collapse,
The eff'n sky is falling!
Anyone got any ideas besides just posting about it?

/part of the problem or part of the solution?

Ask them not to attend the Tea Parties?
;)

51 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:07:17pm

re: #50 gmsc

Ask them not to attend the Tea Parties?
;)

we could send them all to Killgore's house..... %-)

52 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:07:58pm

re: #48 redc1c4

i suggest you start drinking heavily.

I got that out of the way long ago.
(by the way, it only works for a while)

53 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:08:02pm

re: #49 Kosh's Shadow

I grew up not too far from there. I'd never expect Birchers in liberal Massachusetts.

Note this is West Roxbury, not Roxbury.

What is love?

54 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:08:06pm

Creationism and smaller government have nothing to do with each other. The intellectual dishonesty is just stunning.

55 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:10:09pm

re: #50 gmsc

Ask them not to attend the Tea Parties?
;)


Just give them the wrong address. In the wrong city. In Mexico.

Be sure to helpfully pass out driving directions to the {insert name of city} __________ 4th of July Tea Party that's been relocated to San Luis Potosi.

56 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:10:38pm

Stupidity of mass destruction.

57 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:11:55pm

Chad Mitchell Trio John Birch Society Song

58 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:12:06pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

Creationism and smaller government have nothing to do with each other. The intellectual dishonesty is just stunning.

well, they want to create a smaller government see, and.........

59 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:12:19pm

re: #53 gmsc

Wonder if Haddaway had the foresight to put the royalties from his one hit into some sort of interest-bearing account and is still living comfortably these days.

60 Teh Flowah  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:14:30pm

re: #34 Mich-again

Other than the part about all of us being slaves on the global plantation, whats not to love?

re: #38 Desert Dog

I hope you are joking. Look at the UN, do you want that group running your "federal system"? If the entire world shared our values, sure, why not. Most of the world does not.


@ Mich
How does a one world government turn us all into slaves? Are we slaves for being federalized under the United States government. It's simply an issue of scale.

@ DD
Who said anything about the UN. You guys misunderstand what the UN is. It's not a world government, it was never supposed to be, it doesn't try to be. It's a platform for discussion, which is really all they do anyway, as your criticism of the UN already indicates. A world government would be much more like the United States federal system. It would necessarily have to be.

61 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:15:19pm

re: #58 redc1c4

well, they want to create a smaller government see, and.........

And more personal responsibility, so.... they need to take away the responsibility of parents to teach their kids about faith. Yeah!

62 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:16:14pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

Such an intelligently designed argument....

63 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:17:23pm

re: #27 Teh Flowah

I know that they'll probably see this and I'm probably just adding fuel to the fire, but I've never gotten what was so terrible about a one world government. Especially a federal type system in which the American style is simply expanded. We didn't seem to mind expanding our borders even up to the 1950's.

Mr. Moore, it is late. Please try to get some rest now. Maybe tomorrow it will become more clear.

64 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:17:24pm

re: #60 Teh Flowah

Who said anything about the UN. You guys misunderstand what the UN is. It's not a world government, it was never supposed to be, it doesn't try to be. It's a platform for discussion, which is really all they do anyway, as your criticism of the UN already indicates. A world government would be much more like the United States federal system. It would necessarily have to be.

That's what a reasonable person would think, it's what I used to think, then I read the UN charter.

It's wack.

65 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:18:19pm

re: #44 IslandLibertarian

Paulians, Birchers, ID'ers, White Supremacists, Pro-life Murderers, Right wing wackos, Muslin terrorists, Socialist President, Financial collapse,
The eff'n sky is falling!
Anyone got any ideas besides just posting about it?

/part of the problem or part of the solution?

In a thread about conspiracy theories, I just have to post about this:
I bought a book a year or so ago, titled "Dr. Mary's Monkey".

Blurb on front cover:

How the unsolved murder of a doctor, a secret laboratory in New Orleans and cancer-causing monkey viruses are linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK assasination and emerging global epidemics.

On the back cover:

Did inoculating millions of trusting schoolchildren with polio vaccines contaminated by monkey viruses trigger an epidemic of soft-tissue cancers?

Was a desperate effort to develop an anti-cancer vaccine diverted secretly into biological weapons?

Is there a link between these covert experiments and AIDS?

And do the answers to these vexing questions connect to the intrigues swirling around the assassination of President Kennedy?

So,there you go folks. Most of the favorite conspiracies all wrapped up in one nice, neat package for you.

I got through Chapter 7, The Cure for Communism, before I just couldn't take any more.

66 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:19:02pm
67 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:19:26pm

Time for my standard list of favorite ID/Creationist argument links:

reDiscovery Institute (Parody site)

The Holy Book for Turtles-all-the-way-downism (Thanks, jcm!)

Using creationist/ID arguments against them:
Why We Believe in a Designer!
Organisms that Look Designed
Oolon Colluphid's Guide to Creation

Talk.Origins archive

Need To Know: Charles Darwin (5 Minute documentary on Charles Darwin)

People involved in spreading Darwin's discoveries as a philosophy, whom Ben Stein mysteriously neglects to mention:
Ernst Haeckel
William Sumner
Vladmir Ulyanov

Is There An Artifical God? (essay by Douglas Adams)

Get A-Life (essay on using artificial life to study evolution)

Videos:
Evolution

Open-mindedness

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker (video about a-life)

Documentaries:
The Day The Universe Changed - "Fit To Rule" (Episode 8)

More evolution documentaries can be found here, including Evolution, Evolve, Human Evolution, Journey of Man, Origins and Why do people laugh at creationists?.

68 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:19:29pm

re: #65 reine.de.tout

So,there you go folks. Most of the favorite conspiracies all wrapped up in one nice, neat package for you.

I got through Chapter 7, The Cure for Communism, before I just couldn't take any more.

I hope it was on the markdown racks?

69 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:19:56pm

Shhhhh! Tea party iz not hear u.
/too much noize, not enough seethe

70 Jim D  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:20:47pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

In fact, if the creationists are successful, their tactics will tend to increase the role of government in our lives. Using our government to force their religious beliefs on our children is a very scary expansion of the powers of the state.

71 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:20:54pm

re: #65 reine.de.tout

I see no mention of Area 51.

72 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:22:51pm

It's no coincidence, by the way, that creationism, paleoconservatism, and fanatical anti-abortionism are so tightly linked. I'd be willing to bet that Scott Roeder, in addition to his ties to militias and Freemen and extreme anti-abortion groups, is also a creationist.

73 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:23:11pm

OT: Via Holy Taco....

How To Order a Phonebook Hooker

STEP 1: Be Drunk

There's a good chance that if you've made the decision to call a hooker from a phonebook, you're probably extremely drunk. If you're not, then you should quickly drink as much as is humanly possible, and don't stop until your doorbell rings. This is going to make the ensuing sh*t storm easier to weather, and it's going to greatly assist your ability to find the troglodyte that limps into your apartment just bearable enough to tolerate, because she's going to look like something that Rob Zombie drew on a Denny's napkin.

74 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:23:46pm

re: #71 Fenway_Nation

I see no mention of Area 51.

Well, that's why I said most of the favorite conspiracy theories, not all.

75 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:25:14pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Shhhhh! Tea party iz not hear u.
/too much noize, not enough seethe

You're on a roll today, Killgore, spreading good will and cheer everywhere you go.

76 Salamantis  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:26:27pm

re: #72 Charles

It's no coincidence, by the way, that creationism, paleoconservatism, and fanatical anti-abortionism are so tightly linked. I'd be willing to bet that Scott Roeder, in addition to his ties to militias and Freemen and extreme anti-abortion groups, is also a creationist.

I'd also wager that they tend to share homophobia.

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:26:44pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Birch Tea Party!

78 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:27:03pm

re: #72 Charles

It's no coincidence, by the way, that creationism, paleoconservatism, and fanatical anti-abortionism are so tightly linked. I'd be willing to bet that Scott Roeder, in addition to his ties to militias and Freemen and extreme anti-abortion groups, is also a creationist.

That would not surprise me one bit.

I'd also imagine that he froths at the mouth about the Trilateral Commission and the Illuminati.

Fnord.

79 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:27:13pm

SHARKEY'S DAY

Who's the guitarist in the blue shirt? I know that dude.

80 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:27:44pm

re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth

Burn the books!

81 Salamantis  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:27:50pm

re: #78 Steffan

That would not surprise me one bit.

I'd also imagine that he froths at the mouth about the Trilateral Commission and the Illuminati.

Fnord.

More probably, he froths about ZOG.

82 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:27:57pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

Creationism and smaller government have nothing to do with each other. The intellectual dishonesty is just stunning.

Any government that has the ability to insert "God's law" into people's lives is by definition a pretty big sucker, I'd say, and infinitely expandable.

83 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:28:48pm

OT: But nice array of colors whenever I post immediately before or after Charles. Powder blue mixed with a faded lime green- reminiscent of some brightly painted ramshackle colonial-era building that's in a state of arrested decay somewhere south of the border.

84 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:28:48pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

SHARKEY'S DAY

[Video]

Who's the guitarist in the blue shirt? I know that dude.

That's Adrian Belew.

85 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:31:40pm

re: #84 Charles

That's Adrian Belew.


Thanks. His career was too short and undervalued.

86 Van Helsing  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:32:15pm

I like the motto:
“Less government, more responsibility, and with God’s help, a better world”

Pity that they're a bunch of butt monkies.

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:32:18pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

I can't hear you, my attention is being diverted by my DTV converter. It is instructing me in the proper ways to worship of Obama.

88 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:32:39pm

re: #81 Salamantis

More probably, he froths about ZOG.

That, too. I forgot to mention the UN, the black helicopters, and the New World Order.

Any others out there I might have forgotten that he may well be obsessing about?

89 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:33:28pm

re: #88 Steffan

That, too. I forgot to mention the UN, the black helicopters, and the New World Order.

Any others out there I might have forgotten that he may well be obsessing about?

The Nirth Certifakite.

90 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:34:24pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon


WTC 7?

91 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:34:44pm

re: #88 Steffan

Any others out there I might have forgotten that he may well be obsessing about?

Did you mention the Builderbergers?

92 Teh Flowah  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:34:54pm

re: #63 The Shadow Do

Mr. Moore, it is late. Please try to get some rest now. Maybe tomorrow it will become more clear.

Maybe you could make it clear for me. I'm having trouble. Or you could respond without any substance thinking you're clever. re: #64 itellu3times

That's what a reasonable person would think, it's what I used to think, then I read the UN charter.

It's wack.


What's the wacky part about it. And then after identifying it, tell me if you're actually scared of the UN doing anything about it. UN and action are not exactly words you see in sentences together.


If the United States could take over large tracts of land, incorporate them into itself, and create a functioning federal government with 50 separate states, and still have the largest economy in the world, the strongest military, free and fair elections every 4 years on the dot with peaceful transitions between parties, what makes you so scared of expansion? Would you have likewise said "no way!" to Hawaii and Alaska? What about The Louisiana Purchase? I'm not advocating American imperialism (although we've done it before with good results) but what if it happened naturally. I think you are just afraid of change.

The trend of history has always been this way, and if the EU and free trade agreements and the connectivity of the internet is any indicator, borders are becoming less and less meaningful. As the differences between us become more minimized, through further exposure to each other and a mass culture, we're going to stop seeing each other as separate countries and nationalities. We already do this to an extent when we say "the West" (which actually includes more than just the west, think Australia.) American culture already permeates so much of the world. People all over the world know all the American icons, much of the rest of the world speaks very good english, we all use the internet which is mostly english, we keep trying to eliminate barriers to trade, trading and communication across the globe gets cheaper and faster all the time.

93 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:38:06pm

re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth

Birch Tea Party!

We could drink birch tea, bring out the birch rods, and...OK, maybe not.

94 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:38:58pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

The Nirth Certifakite.

Oh, yeah.

It's times like this that I miss the Weekly World News.

D'ya think Batboy might have been a Nirther, or would he be an anti-Nirther?

And if you recall the space alien that strolled through the White House Rose Garden with Clinton and Bush, would he/she/it be as friendly to Obama?

Enquiring minds want to know!

/heh

95 slokat  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:39:21pm

re: #93 ShanghaiEd

We could drink birch tea, bring out the birch rods, and...OK, maybe not.

Paddle around in Birch bark canoes...

96 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:39:22pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Nice!

97 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:39:58pm

re: #92 Teh Flowah

What's the wacky part about it. And then after identifying it, tell me if you're actually scared of the UN doing anything about it. UN and action are not exactly words you see in sentences together.

If the United States could take over large tracts of land, incorporate them into itself, and create a functioning federal government with 50 separate states, and still have the largest economy in the world, the strongest military, free and fair elections every 4 years on the dot with peaceful transitions between parties, what makes you so scared of expansion? Would you have likewise said "no way!" to Hawaii and Alaska? What about The Louisiana Purchase? I'm not advocating American imperialism (although we've done it before with good results) but what if it happened naturally. I think you are just afraid of change.

The trend of history has always been this way, and if the EU and free trade agreements and the connectivity of the internet is any indicator, borders are becoming less and less meaningful. As the differences between us become more minimized, through further exposure to each other and a mass culture, we're going to stop seeing each other as separate countries and nationalities. We already do this to an extent when we say "the West" (which actually includes more than just the west, think Australia.) American culture already permeates so much of the world. People all over the world know all the American icons, much of the rest of the world speaks very good english, we all use the internet which is mostly english, we keep trying to eliminate barriers to trade, trading and communication across the globe gets cheaper and faster all the time.

Naivete passes with time. Get some rest. I am.

98 Radar  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:41:39pm

As someone who teaches history, I hate the Birchers. Ok, at some level, I agree with their basic premise of limited government etc. etc., but it's not like they corner the market on those concepts. They aren't a political movement, they are a utopianist cult.

I hate when people, in this case the crazy Birchers, feel they have to distort US history into some perfect, idyllic, pure past for it to be of value. I mentioned this before, but watch one of their videos some time. If you have even a passing knowledge of US history, you will see right away that they do not value America and our history, but an America that never was. A history that lacks any scars, missteps, faults, or struggles (and a curious lack of non white people- as if white Americans sprung from the ground here into a complete wilderness).

It's silly, ignorant, and infuriating simply because it ignores what makes us great...our struggle to live up to our values.

To them, the Framers weren't just great living breathing men, but infallible Gods who bequeathed a perfect nation into our hands that was unchanged until (insert favorite US villain here) came along and ruined it. Somehow I think many of the Framers would be horrified at the vision these Birchers have for their nation.

*spit.

No surprise they are teaming up with other such ignorant and reactionary groups.

99 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:42:50pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

The Nirth Certifakite.

Not to mention the Birch Certifakite...

100 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:42:52pm

re: #94 Steffan

Oh, yeah.

It's times like this that I miss the Weekly World News.

D'ya think Batboy might have been a Nirther, or would he be an anti-Nirther?

And if you recall the space alien that strolled through the White House Rose Garden with Clinton and Bush, would he/she/it be as friendly to Obama?

Enquiring minds want to know!

/heh

The alien watched Obama in action and then went back to his spaceship. His report to his superiors said "I'm heading home. There's no sign of intelligence down there anymore."

101 TheAntichrist  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:45:35pm

If only Pat Buchanan showed up at the meeting it would form a black hole of stupidity from which no common sense could escape.

102 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:46:08pm

elephant talk


Namaste for real this time
/It's only talk

103 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:46:19pm

re: #101 TheAntichrist

If only Pat Buchanan showed up at the meeting it would form a black hole of stupidity from which no common sense could escape enter.

slightly improved.

104 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:47:36pm

Cna yuo raed tihs? I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno’t mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!

105 Teh Flowah  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:47:44pm

re: #97 The Shadow Do

Naivete passes with time. Get some rest. I am.

lol.

Is this what people do when they don't like what someone has to say but don't have any real response? Sure feels like it. Dude, call me when you have some, you know, thoughts.

106 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:48:20pm

It cost 7 million dollars to build the Titanic and 200 million to make a film about it.

107 legalpad  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:50:32pm

re: #60 Teh Flowah

@ Mich
How does a one world government turn us all into slaves? Are we slaves for being federalized under the United States government. It's simply an issue of scale.

@ DD
Who said anything about the UN. You guys misunderstand what the UN is. It's not a world government, it was never supposed to be, it doesn't try to be. It's a platform for discussion, which is really all they do anyway, as your criticism of the UN already indicates. A world government would be much more like the United States federal system. It would necessarily have to be.

1. A one world government could tend to disrupt a natural balance of power. Balance of power is the key to personal liberty. Concentrating all the power in one place attracts the worst of people, people who promote oligarchy.

2. There is a constitution for a world government drawn up for the U.N.. It's been around for sometime. I have a copy.

108 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:50:46pm

re: #92 Teh Flowah

English became the lingua franca pretty much by default. Two hundred years or so ago, the language of diplomacy and commerce was French -- the Russian language has a lot of French cognates because the language of choice at the Russian royal court was French. Before that, it was Latin -- IIRC, that is still the common language of the Catholic Church. Before that, it was Greek.

There were also a lot of people trying to push Esperanto, an artificial language, a few years ago. Harry Harrison made it the common language in his Stainless Steel Rat stories.

English is the common language of commerce, the Internet, aviation and many other fields because the US, in spite of the Obama Administration's efforts, is still the 800-lb. gorilla.

There are a lot of English cognates in the Russian language, too. The Soviet government was convinced it was a Pentagon plot.

:)

109 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:52:39pm

re: #106 Racer X


Yeah....but how much was $7 million in 1910 money?

110 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:55:12pm

re: #109 Fenway_Nation

Yeah....but how much was $7 million in 1910 money?

The better question - how much will $200 million be worth next year?

111 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:56:23pm

re: #98 Radar

Well said! You America-hater, you... /

I find it sad when somebody says, "For all our flaws, we're still the greatest country on earth..." but when it comes to studying those flaws and mistakes (to maybe learn from them?) they get all nasty and defensive.

Unfortunately, the Birchers have no monopoly on a "fantasy America."

112 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:56:25pm

re: #110 Racer X


A postcard stamp?

113 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:56:52pm

re: #106 Racer X

It cost 7 million dollars to build the Titanic and 200 million to make a film about it.

7 million in 1911 dollars. What would that be worth today?

I bet it'd be close to the film's budget....

114 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:57:22pm

re: #108 Steffan

There are a lot of English cognates in the Russian language, too. The Soviet government was convinced it was a Pentagon plot.

In Soviet Russia, language cognates you....

/Yakoff

115 Salamantis  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:58:59pm

re: #88 Steffan

That, too. I forgot to mention the UN, the black helicopters, and the New World Order.

Any others out there I might have forgotten that he may well be obsessing about?

The Bohemian Grove?

116 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:59:48pm
117 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:59:59pm

re: #98 Radar


I hate when people, in this case the crazy Birchers, feel they have to distort US history into some perfect, idyllic, pure past for it to be of value. I mentioned this before, but watch one of their videos some time. If you have even a passing knowledge of US history, you will see right away that they do not value America and our history, but an America that never was.

The call for a return to an imagined Golden Age of the past. This is one of the major planks in fascist ideology.

118 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:01:23pm

re: #113 Steffan

7 million in 1911 dollars. What would that be worth today?

I bet it'd be close to the film's budget....

$153,000,000 in 2007 dollars.

119 Van Helsing  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:03:10pm

re: #108 Steffan

I loved The Stainless Steel Rat stories. James Bolivar diGriz...

120 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:03:58pm

re: #109 Fenway_Nation

Yeah....but how much was $7 million in 1910 money?

To quote R. Lee Ermey, holy dogs**t!

What cost $7,000,000 in 1911 would cost $159,810,951.57 in 2008.

121 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:04:40pm

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.

122 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:05:14pm

re: #107 legalpad

There is a constitution for a world government drawn up for the U.N.. It's been around for sometime. I have a copy.

Would this happen to be "Our Global Neighborhood," as referenced by the World Net Daily?

123 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:05:15pm

re: #120 Steffan

So in other words, what congress doles out on a slow week.

124 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:06:11pm

One epic fail + another epic fail = epic fail party.

125 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:07:00pm

re: #121 Racer X

LOL!

126 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:09:22pm

re: #121 Racer X

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.

The best I could do in Tic-Tac-Toe against a computer was a tie, but I had it beat in changing a lightbulb.

If they built a computer with legs, would it know not to march over a cliff without specific programming?

127 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:10:14pm

Never a dull moment with this cast of characters. And low and behold there's the Hitler analogy once again this time in the form of the stupid theory that Darwinism led to Hitler. Funny how a couple of years ago it was looking like the left was guilty of the same ignorance.

128 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:13:15pm

Four lawyers in a law firm lived and died for their Saturday morning round of golf. It was their favorite moment of the week. Then one of the lawyers was transferred to an office in another city. It wasn't quite the same without him.

A new woman lawyer joined their law firm. One day she overheard the remaining three talking about their golf round in the break room. Curious, she spoke up, "You know, I used to play on my golf team in college and I was pretty good. Would you mind if I joined you next week"?

The three lawyers looked at each other. They were hesitant. Not one of them wanted to say 'yes', but she had them on the spot. Finally one man said it would be okay, but they would be starting pretty early at 6:30 am.

He figured the early Tee-Time would discourage her immediately. The woman said this might be a problem and asked if she could possibly be up to 15 minutes late. They rolled their eyes but said this would be okay.

She smiled and said, "Good, then I'll be there either at 6:30 or 6:45." She showed up right at 6:30 and wound up beating all three of them with an eye-opening 2-under par round. She was a fun and pleasant person the entire round. The guys were impressed!

Back in the clubhouse they congratulated her and happily invited her back the next week. She smiled and said "Sure, I'll be here at 6:30 or 6:45".

The next week she again showed up at 6:30 Saturday morning. Only this time, she played left-handed. The three lawyers were incredulous as she still managed to beat them with an even par round despite playing with her off-hand. By now the guys were totally amazed, but wondered if she was just trying to make them look bad by beating them left-handed. They couldn't figure her out. She was again very pleasant and didn't seem to be showing them up, but each man began to harbor a burning desire to beat her!

In the third week they all had their game faces on. But this week she was 15 minutes late! This had the guys irritable because each was determined to play the best round of golf of his life to beat her.. As they waited for her, they figured her late arrival was some petty gamesmanship on her part. Finally she showed up.

This week the lady lawyer played right-handed, which was a good thing since she narrowly beat all three of them. However, she was so gracious and so complimentary of their strong play; it was hard to keep a grudge against her. This woman was a riddle no one could figure out!

Back in the clubhouse she had all three guys shaking their heads at her ability. They had a couple of beers after their round which helped the conversation loosen up. Finally one of the men could contain his curiosity no longer. He asked her point blank, "How do you decide if you're going to golf right-handed or left-handed"?

The lady blushed and grinned. She said, "That's easy. When my dad taught me to play golf, I learned I was ambidextrous. I have always had fun switching back and forth".

Then when I met my husband in college and got married, I discovered he always sleeps in the nude. From then on I developed a silly habit. Right before I left in the morning for golf practice, I would pull the covers off him. If his "you-know-what" was pointing to the right, I golfed right-handed and if it was pointed to the left, I golfed left-handed.

Astonished at this bizarre information, one of the guys shot back, "But what if it's pointed straight up in the air"?

She said, "Then I'm fifteen minutes late".

129 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:15:21pm

re: #127 Gus 802

Never a dull moment with this cast of characters. And low and behold there's the Hitler analogy once again this time in the form of the stupid theory that Darwinism led to Hitler. Funny how a couple of years ago it was looking like the left was guilty of the same ignorance.

::shrugs::

According to Jonah Goldberg in Liberal Fascism, Hitler was a leftist. National Socialism, ya know.

Apart from that, those idiots could not conceive of a coherent worldview if it reached up and bit them on the ass. The collapse of the Soviet Union left them floundering for a cause to champion. AFAIK, they're still looking.

130 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:15:57pm

When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
-- Paul Hornung

131 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:16:01pm

re: #117 Slumbering Behemoth

The call for a return to an imagined Golden Age of the past. This is one of the major planks in fascist ideology.

Tribalism at its most basic, really.

"Everything would be great if it wasn't for those (Blacks/Jews/Queers/Bolsheviks/Liberals/Abortionists/Catholics/Muslims/pick any term or combo)! Let's legally oppress them now, and then totally kill them when we get the chance later!"

132 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:16:10pm

"[The] society that hosted author James Perloff at the West Roxbury Branch Library on Saturday afternoon."

Other antics by James Perloff:

The Shadows of Power: The CFR and the American Decline, James Perloff

Search CFT and James Perloff.

133 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:17:07pm

re: #132 Gus 802

"[The] society that hosted author James Perloff at the West Roxbury Branch Library on Saturday afternoon."

Other antics by James Perloff:

The Shadows of Power: The CFR and the American Decline, James Perloff

Search CFT and James Perloff.

Correction:

Search CFR and James Perloff that is.

134 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:17:37pm

re: #128 Racer X

snrrrrk

That deserves an upding just because.

135 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:18:47pm

re: #129 Steffan

::shrugs::

According to Jonah Goldberg in Liberal Fascism, Hitler was a leftist. National Socialism, ya know.

Apart from that, those idiots could not conceive of a coherent worldview if it reached up and bit them on the ass. The collapse of the Soviet Union left them floundering for a cause to champion. AFAIK, they're still looking.

Aye, but we do know he wasn't a Scotsman.

/

136 yenta-fada  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:18:59pm

The Birchers have come full circle in the gold chat rooms I have read. They are angry at the government, thinking it the root of all evil. They feel betrayed by the PTB (powers that be) who have usurped our rights, our lands, our guns, our morality, etc. etc. They idealize the founding fathers and have respect only for farmers and people who produce things. Utopian is a good word for it. They want to leave America before it becomes a "fascist state", although they think it is already upon us. They think we will all be chipped with the number of the Beast. They hate the Jews who own all the money and pull the strings of the New World Order (along with the supragovernmental international elite. It is among the most illogical, daffy, mean-spirited, divisive, rage-filled group of people you never want to meet. They do not believe there are real terrorists except for the aforementioned. They sit around discussing availability of ammunition and race wars. You can be talking to someone who seems pretty normal and all of a sudden they are quoting Pat Robertson. It is deeply disturbing and not uncommon.

137 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:19:11pm

re: #128 Racer X

Loves it! It sounds like anything but what it is until the very end.

138 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:20:57pm

OT, for the car guys. My friend Jeff runs my supercharged Avanti to 110 MPH on a shakedown trip. (repost from a dead thread)

139 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:22:11pm

re: #136 yenta-fada

Sounds like an apt description.

140 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:23:04pm

re: #138 avanti

OT, for the car guys. My friend Jeff runs my supercharged Avanti to 110 MPH on a shakedown trip. (repost from a dead thread)

Avanti, is this your friend that was hurt in a car wreck? How is he doing?

141 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:23:31pm

OT, but get the popcorn ready, lots of it! Watch the fur fly between The One and the Billaries! This has to cause big trouble, very well deserved, in the Demonrat party!

Obama on Clinton: A 'Loose Cannon' Who Tells 'Bald-Faced Lies'

It's not exactly a man-bites-dog story when someone accuses Bill Clinton of stretching the truth, but when it's a president of his own party, and when what he calls Clinton is "bald-faced" liar, and when that president happens to employ Clinton's wife as the Secretary of State, well, yes, that's kind of newsworthy.
That's one of the juicier morsels in Renegade: The Making of a President," a new campaign book by Richard Wolffe, who covered the 2008 presidential race for Newsweek. Wolffe also quotes Barack Obama as referring during the campaign to former President Clinton as "a loose cannon."
These quotations are sourced directly to Obama himself, and come out of interviews the author did with "the candidate," as Wolffe calls him in a conscious emulation of Kennedy campaign biographer Theodore White. That Obama cooperated with Wolffe is obvious; in fact, it appears that the idea for the book may originally have been Obama's. Revealingly, the tension in Wolffe's narrative is elevated when he's writing about the nomination fight between Obama and Hillary Clinton more than when he chronicles the runoff between Obama and John McCain. This is as it should be. Not only was the Obama-Clinton contest closer than the Obama-McCain duel, it was longer, more bitter, more interesting, and more historic.[...]

See it all, and enjoy!

142 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:23:50pm
Perloff went on to say, “Survival of the fittest does not explain arrival of the fittest,”

That has to be the most moronic statement anyone's made this year -- and he's had plenty of competition. All one has to do is sit down and think for about seven seconds to grasp that the life-forms which survived this generation are the ones arriving in the next generation.

Is Perloff a brain-damaged cretin -- or is he simply being dishonest, and lying for "the cause"?

At this stage, I no longer care. I suspect he (and people like him) are simply cretinous, but either way we need to keep their hands off our children's minds.

143 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:25:18pm

re: #140 Floral Giraffe

Avanti, is this your friend that was hurt in a car wreck? How is he doing?

No, that was Ted Harbit, and he out of the hospital and healing up at home. Thanks for asking.

144 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:26:20pm

re: #143 avanti

Glad he's at home. MUCH better than in the hospital!

145 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:26:28pm

And now I'm getting hate mail for this post.

The Birchers were here long before you were even born. Whatever their
foibles and quirks (and they have plenty) what have you done to even
merit worthiness to clean their socks? I suppose when one exists in and
covets the favor of the public eye, one becomes convinced of their own
indispensibility and self-importance.
At least they go to the trouble to footnote the Constitution.
Remember that document?
Why don't you erect a shrine in your own honor we can all assemble
before and worship you? Come on. I need a new deity.
Get a grip already boy!
Mike in Irvine

146 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:27:02pm

re: #142 zombie

That has to be the most moronic statement anyone's made this year -- and he's had plenty of competition. All one has to do is sit down and think for about seven seconds to grasp that the life-forms which survived this generation are the ones arriving in the next generation.

Is Perloff a brain-damaged cretin -- or is he simply being dishonest, and lying for "the cause"?

At this stage, I no longer care. I suspect he (and people like him) are simply cretinous, but either way we need to keep their hands off our children's minds.

I'm going to say he's "Lying for Jesus".

147 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:27:12pm

I get hate mail now for everything I post. Wheee!

148 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:27:57pm

re: #142 zombie

That has to be the most moronic statement anyone's made this year -- and he's had plenty of competition. All one has to do is sit down and think for about seven seconds to grasp that the life-forms which survived this generation are the ones arriving in the next generation.

Is Perloff a brain-damaged cretin -- or is he simply being dishonest, and lying for "the cause"?

At this stage, I no longer care. I suspect he (and people like him) are simply cretinous, but either way we need to keep their hands off our children's minds.

I vote that he's a brain-damaged cretin. And that's with apologies to ordinary cretins out there. I've long since discarded this notion that these maniacs are just "lying to make money." They're the real deal.

Being that it was held at West Roxbury Branch Library odds are that their sputum was broadcast to any children that may have been present in the public library.

149 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:28:46pm

re: #145 Charles

" what have you done to even merit worthiness to clean their socks? "

Clean their socks?

You do get some priceless hate mail!

150 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:28:47pm

re: #147 Charles

I get hate mail now for everything I post. Wheee!

Wait a few weeks and wish everyone a happy 4th of July, that will confuse them.

151 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:29:15pm

re: #147 Charles

I get hate mail now for everything I post. Wheee!

I hate for for saying that! Grrrrrrr! Every character you type is absolutely infuriating! ! ! ! !

/////////////////////

152 Gella  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:29:39pm

re: #147 Charles

I get hate mail now for everything I post. Wheee!

can i say congratulations?
///////////////////////////////////////////

153 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:29:42pm

re: #145 Charles

And now I'm getting hate mail for this post.

Memo to Mike: Charles understands more about the Constitution than any ten Birchers ever will. Now why don't you do us all a favor and grab a nice, hot, cup of Shutthefucklup.

154 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:29:45pm

re: #145 Charles

Get a grip already boy!

Uh, thats Darwin Boy!

Sheesh.

155 Salamantis  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:30:06pm

Here is a site chock full of info on the racist right:

[Link: www.publiceye.org...]

156 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:30:20pm

re: #128 Racer X

Best joke I've read in a long while. Thanks for a chuckle before bedtime.

157 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:31:23pm

re: #147 Charles

I get hate mail now for everything I post. Wheee!

Even puppies and kittens?

158 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:31:26pm

re: #145 Charles

And now I'm getting hate mail for this post.

The Birch Nuts Society was founded in 1958. Something tells me old Mike is incorrect. It's funny the way he signed it, "Mike in Irvine." Almost like fan mail.

159 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:31:42pm

re: #136 yenta-fada

Sounds reasonable to me. Not.

These idiots literally can't get through the day without thinking that there's an evil conspiracy working against all that is Good And True.

You can show them hard facts refuting everything they believe, and they will still go for their conspiracies.

It's pointless to even try to reach these people.

160 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:32:18pm

re: #148 Gus 802

I vote that he's a brain-damaged cretin. And that's with apologies to ordinary cretins out there. I've long since discarded this notion that these maniacs are just "lying to make money." They're the real deal.

Being that it was held at West Roxbury Branch Library odds are that their sputum was broadcast to any children that may have been present in the public library.

On the bright side, the odds of kids being in a library in Roxbury are roughly zero.

161 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:33:38pm

re: #157 Pawn of the Oppressor

Even puppies and kittens?

Probably. The haters can't get Charles off their minds.

162 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:33:40pm

re: #160 Pawn of the Oppressor

On the bright side, the odds of kids being in a library in Roxbury are roughly zero.

Rough neighborhood?

163 Gella  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:33:52pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Probably. The haters can't get Charles off their minds.

they are just addicted :)

164 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:34:33pm

re: #147 Charles

Even Zooborns?

I bet that gets the most hate mail.

165 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:35:05pm
....... the disastrous war in Vietnam, and the scheme to turn North America into a European-style union.


That's one of the most absurd conspiracy theories I have heard.
And I'm sure starving North Koreans won't think of it as a "conspiracy".

166 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:36:05pm

re: #141 NY Nana

OT, but get the popcorn ready, lots of it! Watch the fur fly between The One and the Billaries! This has to cause big trouble, very well deserved, in the Demonrat party!

Obama on Clinton: A 'Loose Cannon' Who Tells 'Bald-Faced Lies'

See it all, and enjoy!

OMFG.

For The One to call Bubba a "bald-faced liar".... the irony here is deep enough to drown in.

This is going to be so much fun to watch.... I'm glad that I have extra popcorn on hand.

As Glenn Reynolds often says: Heh.

167 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:36:24pm

The Chad Mitchel Trio doing "The John Birch Society" in 1962:

Hilarious lyrics!

168 BignJames  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:36:37pm

re: #145 Charles

And now I'm getting hate mail for this post.

Brothers?

169 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:38:30pm

re: #136 yenta-fada

But do the Birchers ever explain exactly how the American government is managing to be both Fascist and Socialist at once?

170 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:39:21pm

Bob Dylan doing "Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues," also around 1962 or '3:

171 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:40:13pm

re: #145 Charles

And now I'm getting hate mail for this post.

The Birchers were here long before you were even born. Whatever their
foibles and quirks (and they have plenty) what have you done to even
merit worthiness to clean their socks? I suppose when one exists in and
covets the favor of the public eye, one becomes convinced of their own
indispensibility and self-importance.
At least they go to the trouble to footnote the Constitution.
Remember that document?
Why don't you erect a shrine in your own honor we can all assemble
before and worship you? Come on. I need a new deity.
Get a grip already boy!
Mike in Irvine

Aww- he failed to call you "Darwin Boy".

172 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:40:32pm

re: #167 zombie

The Chad Mitchel Trio doing "The John Birch Society" in 1962:


[Video]

Hilarious lyrics!

"Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the Right!"

Classic.

173 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:40:42pm

And by the way, talking about North Korea, the most closed country on earth, here is a photo reportage from a Russian photographer who took these photos from the Chinese-Korean borders. That's the closest one can get to North Korea by feet (on a boat)
I thought I would share it with you
It feels like the USSR in the 50s probably.

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:40:51pm

re: #106 Racer X

It cost 7 million dollars to build the Titanic and 200 million to make a film about it.

This cost $200 million?

175 avanti  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:41:21pm

re: #166 Steffan

OMFG.

For The One to call Bubba a "bald-faced liar".... the irony here is deep enough to drown in.

This is going to be so much fun to watch.... I'm glad that I have extra popcorn on hand.

As Glenn Reynolds often says: Heh.

I don't see anything that wasn't hinted at in the campaign, Bill Clinton was a loose cannon for example and name calling between Obama and both the Clinton's was pretty much daily fair.

176 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:41:28pm

Ron Paul at John Birch Society 50th Anniversary:

177 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:42:41pm

re: #164 Fenway_Nation

Even Zooborns?

Yes, believe it or not:

So it's come to this, a cynical and pathetic attempt to boost flagging web traffic by running baby animal pictures. Looks good on ya, a******.

178 BignJames  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:42:50pm

re: #167 zombie

Folkies....Pete Seeger disciples....feh!

/

179 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:44:29pm

re: #177 Charles

I thought this was a joke! Oh, My God!

180 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:44:45pm

re: #116 Racer X

I am Your Leader

Who am I to deny the supremacy of The Mighty Winston Churchill? Hail Leader!

181 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:44:55pm

re: #142 zombie

My suspicion is that he's both. Dishonest and a cretin.

It's still going to be interesting to watch.

182 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:45:05pm

re: #173 Abu Lahab

And by the way, talking about North Korea, the most closed country on earth, here is a photo reportage from a Russian photographer who took these photos from the Chinese-Korean borders. That's the closest one can get to North Korea by feet (on a boat)
I thought I would share it with you
It feels like the USSR in the 50s probably.

GREAT photos!

He must have a hell of a zoom lens.

Especially interesting is how the North Korean girl border guards are all kind of flirting with the camera.

183 neocon hippie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:45:39pm

re: #162 Gus 802

Actually, Roxbury and West Roxbury are two separate entities within the city of Boston, and don't actually border on each other. Roxbury is the ghetto, and West Roxbury is more a white, working-class kind of place.

184 Syrah  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:46:11pm

re: #145 Charles

And now I'm getting hate mail for this post.

Mike in Irvine et all are so sure of their reality yet so shaken by yours. They know that they are standing on sand and they fear you for pointing it out.

185 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:46:55pm

re: #145 Charles

Struck a nerve, did we?

So much the better. I'd hate for these idiots to be complacent.

186 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:47:52pm

re: #182 zombie

He always posts amazing photos, he works for Reuters and other agencies. His blog is number one in Livejournal in Russia. he is a Jewish Russia, blogs a lot about Russian Nazis as well and they do hate him. I love his blog.

187 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:47:54pm

re: #184 Syrah

Mike in Irvine et all are so sure of their reality yet so shaken by yours. They know that they are standing on sand and they fear you for pointing it out.

Religious fundamentalists are of the unconstrained vision, so we should not be so surprised to see this.

188 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:48:42pm

re: #177 Charles

Wow....some people just aren't happy unless they're bitching and moaning about every damn thing.

189 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:48:48pm

re: #183 neocon hippie

Actually, Roxbury and West Roxbury are two separate entities within the city of Boston, and don't actually border on each other. Roxbury is the ghetto, and West Roxbury is more a white, working-class kind of place.

Thanks.

190 BignJames  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:49:59pm

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

Wow....some people just aren't happy unless they're bitching and moaning about every damn thing.

Get off my cloud.

191 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:52:18pm

re: #190 BignJames

Get off my cloud.

The cumulus effect of your always hogging the cloud is causing considerable distress.

192 neocon hippie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:52:37pm

re: #182 zombie

I have a neighbor who recently spent time in North Korea. I've seen pictures, and either she or a tourmate have videos up on YouTube taken of Pyongyang and another city taken from the tourbus. What is most striking is the emptiness of the place.

193 Syrah  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:52:40pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

Religious fundamentalists are of the unconstrained vision, so we should not be so surprised to see this.

It is so contrary.

Do they think that they can really make God in their image?

194 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:53:58pm

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

Wow....some people just aren't happy unless they're bitching and moaning about every damn thing.

I bitch and moan about every damn thing and I'm not happy. :(

Guess I'm not as hopeychangey as I should be!

195 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:54:09pm

This made me smile when I saw it, I could not help it.
Russia Today, the VERY pro-Kremlin channel is now hosting a US blogger on their site and he is promoting guess who? Ron Paul ))) Already 4 posts about him.
Here and here (through tiny URL, not to send them traffic)

196 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:54:49pm

re: #173 Abu Lahab

Your photo essay link reminds me of an interesting little-known side-note into the history of "zombie":

I first got interested in taking "candid" photos of people just being themselves during an independent trip to China. This was before the era of digital cameras. I had a regular film camera, and developed a technique of wearing it around my neck like a typical tourist, but nonchalantly resting my forearm across the top of it, and pressing the shutter at interesting seeming moments. The key is that I wasn't looking through the viewfinder -- I just "aimed" by turning my body the right way and hoping I got something good. The results were so excellent that I was hooked.

The reason your photos reminded me was that I took a whole series of shots of a girl soldier in the People Army, doing some outrageous and very effective flirting with some boy soldiers on a beach -- they all were about 18 years old, and in uniform. (It was in a militarily sensitive area, so soldiers were guarding the coastline.)

Even though I was hooked on the whole candid photojournalism thing, doing it with film was very expensive, because 80%+ of the photos were wasted -- they were pointing in the wrong direction. And unlike with digital, you had to pay to get it developed, just to see that it wasn't even worth developing!

When digital cameras came out, it changed everything: Photos were suddenly FREE! And a new career was born.

197 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:55:28pm

re: #147 Charles

I get hate mail now for everything I post. Wheee!

This is something to be proud of.

This means your message is reaching the people it needs to reach, and the people sending you hate mail are very very unhappy about that, for it diminishes and counteracts their message.

I love to watch their heads explode. Don't you?

/heh

198 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:56:49pm

re: #173 Abu Lahab

Some reporters from the Al Gore backed Current TV got closer, although now they're not so much as 'reporting' from North Korea as they are 'Standing Trial' now.

199 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:56:50pm

re: #193 Syrah

It is so contrary.

Do they think that they can really make God in their image?

They have the approval of their own conscience. How convenient.

200 yenta-fada  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:57:49pm

re: #169 ShanghaiEd

It's the old cliche that extremes meet. They seem to throw around the words 'Nazi', 'socialist' and 'fascist' with abandon and interchangeably. I think they are all words for "not us". They have some facts right, such as endemic Wall Street greed gone wild. But touching one part of the elephant to describe the entire animal is ignorant.

201 iLikeCandy  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:58:15pm

re: #173 Abu Lahab

I wish I could read those Russian commenters. I'd give anything to know what they're saying about the Norks.

202 BignJames  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:58:32pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

The cumulus effect of your always hogging the cloud is causing considerable distress.


Your stratus indicates you're not nimbus enough to stay on my cloud either. Cirrus later.

203 freetoken  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:58:56pm

re: #145 Charles

Gee... you think they could have done a little research and discovered that the JBS is actually 5 years younger than you, no?

Always wonder why people don't do the simplest of research.

204 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:59:14pm

re: #131 Pawn of the Oppressor

Tribalism at its most basic, really.

"Everything would be great if it wasn't for those (Blacks/Jews/Queers/Bolsheviks/Liberals/Abortionis ts/Catholics/Muslims/pick any term or combo)! Let's legally oppress them now, and then totally kill them when we get the chance later!"

Tribalism of that kind is one of the tools used to justify the call to "return our nation to it's former glory" rhetoric.

Look at the dude who gave birth to fascism, using the Roman fasces as inspiration for the word fascism. All about Italy returning to the heyday of the Roman Empire.

Scratch a person spouting "Golden Age" rhetoric, and you will find a fascist lying underneath.

205 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 10:59:21pm

re: #203 freetoken

Gee... you think they could have done a little research and discovered that the JBS is actually 5 years younger than you, no?

Always wonder why people don't do the simplest of research.

Fact checking is teh hard.

206 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:00:17pm

re: #201 iLikeCandy

I wish I could read those Russian commenters. I'd give anything to know what they're saying about the Norks.

[Link: translate.google.com...]

207 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:00:45pm

re: #196 zombie

Very interesting, thank you for sharing that.
I also read the accounts of how bloggers or journalists are now capable of claiming they "deleted" the photos they took (when forced to or threatened) but in fact they kept a reserve copy or simply retrieved the deleted photos from the camera memory. This also was never possible without digital cameras.

208 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:04:16pm

re: #201 iLikeCandy

Here is a Google translation, not the best of course, but it gives an idea.

209 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:06:47pm

re: #207 Abu Lahab

Very interesting, thank you for sharing that.
I also read the accounts of how bloggers or journalists are now capable of claiming they "deleted" the photos they took (when forced to or threatened) but in fact they kept a reserve copy or simply retrieved the deleted photos from the camera memory. This also was never possible without digital cameras.

One of the few times I was confronted by Islamo-thugs (from the MSA), I did the old switcheroo. They tried to wrestle my camera away from me, but I wrestled it back, and during a distraction in the commotion, I popped out the memory card and popped in the (empty) spare memory card I had in the camera pouch. When they tried to grab it away from me a second time, I managed to press the shutter and get one random photo -- so that when I finally let go on purpose, they saw that one photo, assumed there was a card full of them, and then deleted it, thinking they were deleting all my photos. But I still had them all on the original card!

(Of course, they succeeded in silencing me in other ways [fear], but at least I managed to outwit them, even though I never published the pictures.)

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:08:31pm

re: #142 zombie

It's a handy, easy to remember, rhyming catch phrase that appeals to the lowest common denominator.

Fast food for the mind.

211 iLikeCandy  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:08:40pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Very interesting. They're all over the girls. And a few are arguing over whether it's a worker's paradise or a hellhole.

Then there's, "The grandmother in the village of Big Govnischi that will hang noodles on the ears." Something lost in the translation there I guess.

212 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:10:19pm

re: #190 BignJames

Get off my cloud.

The Beeb says there's a new kind of cloud that is sort of conflicted.

Sounds about right.

Related: What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is a Cloud Appreciation Society?

213 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:12:48pm

re: #209 zombie

Very disturbing account! But still great that you managed to keep the photos.
Stay safe, we all like you )

By the way, talking about photos, here is my favorite photos set from that photographer, it became a real hit. (No photoshop or anything, but still they look scary and mysterious).
On a beach in Morocco , a sand storm.

214 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:13:30pm

re: #211 iLikeCandy

Very interesting. They're all over the girls. And a few are arguing over whether it's a worker's paradise or a hellhole.

Then there's, "The grandmother in the village of Big Govnischi that will hang noodles on the ears." Something lost in the translation there I guess.

That was my natural reaction as well after seeing the young women guards. They seem more amiable at first glance. Odd to see them standing guard with fixed bayonets.

Not a workers paradise at all and it looks like a hellhole to me. It's interesting to see these photos though because even though we disagree and see the nation as a whole as a threat they're a very unique culture -- even more so than China once was.

215 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:15:01pm

re: #213 Abu Lahab

Very disturbing account! But still great that you managed to keep the photos.
Stay safe, we all like you )

By the way, talking about photos, here is my favorite photos set from that photographer, it became a real hit. (No photoshop or anything, but still they look scary and mysterious).
On a beach in Morocco , a sand storm.

On North Korea, have you seen these?

[Link: www.boston.com...]

If you scroll down to comment #140 there's even more links to photo of North Korea.

216 iLikeCandy  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:15:34pm

Everyone seen The Ruins of Detroit?

217 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:16:39pm

re: #214 Gus 802

It's a real hellhole, the blogger pointed out that he did not see a single tractor or any machine used in the fields, not even animals, he said everything is done by hand. I have read this many times and I have seen photos of deserted streets there because no cars almost run through the streets. They receive annual humanitarian aid to help feed their people.
It's a real piece of hell on earth from all the accounts I read.

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:17:02pm
The Birchers were here long before you were even born.

So were the communists. The fascists. The nazis. The Fill In The Blankists.

I guess I one can't have an unfavorable, critical opinion of Jack the Ripper unless one was born before him, eh?

More cranial junk food.

219 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:17:51pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Great photos, thanks.

220 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:18:04pm

re: #217 Abu Lahab

It's a real hellhole, the blogger pointed out that he did not see a single tractor or any machine used in the fields, not even animals, he said everything is done by hand. I have read this many times and I have seen photos of deserted streets there because no cars almost run through the streets. They receive annual humanitarian aid to help feed their people.
It's a real piece of hell on earth from all the accounts I read.

Indeed. It almost looks like time stopped.

221 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:18:10pm

re: #212 Steffan

Cool book about the man who first described & named the cloud forms!
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

222 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:18:49pm

re: #216 iLikeCandy

Everyone seen The Ruins of Detroit?

Nice. Haunting places an images.

223 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:19:35pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Thanks for the link, Gus. Here's a comment whose meaning can survive the translation:

A nation at all mysterious. And seven missiles such as the trust does not inspire.

224 iLikeCandy  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:21:07pm

re: #214 Gus 802


they're a very unique culture -- even more so than China once was.

They're unique all right. When the barbed wire comes down I bet the place will be a feast for psychologists studying abnormalities that totalitarian states create.

225 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:22:20pm

re: #223 ShanghaiEd

Thanks for the link, Gus. Here's a comment whose meaning can survive the translation:

A nation at all mysterious. And seven missiles such as the trust does not inspire.

I read that as a positive message. Maybe there's a chance they'll come to their senses. Maybe.

226 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:22:20pm

re: #216 iLikeCandy

Everyone seen The Ruins of Detroit?

Beautiful images of a horrific subject.

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:23:03pm

re: #177 Charles

That kind of hate mail is just grasping at straws. A person that desperate to insult you would twist their brains to find a way to take a 'principled stance' against the type of laundry detergent you use.

228 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:24:15pm

re: #224 iLikeCandy

They're unique all right. When the barbed wire comes down I bet the place will be a feast for psychologists studying abnormalities that totalitarian states create.

Cult psychology, Stockholm Syndrome, agoraphobia, etc. I'm sure much more.

229 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:24:59pm

re: #215 Gus 802

I was just about to post those links (at comment 140)))
This one of the few people who managed to travel inside North Korea (with a special guide that monitored him) and he made some amazing photos, also by claiming he deleted the photos, but then keeping them.
The last photo on this thread made him quite famous. The guide did not understand that his T-shirt says (Hysteria of USSR) (mocking them of course).
It's an amazing account of North Korea inside, and from what I know no one else ever managed to do such travel again.

230 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:27:34pm

I predict a LNDT coming soon . . .

231 iLikeCandy  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:27:35pm

good night, all.

232 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:28:21pm

re: #229 Abu Lahab

I was just about to post those links (at comment 140)))
This one of the few people who managed to travel inside North Korea (with a special guide that monitored him) and he made some amazing photos, also by claiming he deleted the photos, but then keeping them.
The last photo on this thread made him quite famous. The guide did not understand that his T-shirt says (Hysteria of USSR) (mocking them of course).
It's an amazing account of North Korea inside, and from what I know no one else ever managed to do such travel again.

That's a good image. His expression is priceless with that sideways glance.

233 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:28:32pm

re: #25 Mich-again

The entire UN couldn't take over Taylor Michigan. They would be outgunned.

To paraphrase Abe Lincoln, the combined armies and police forces of Eurabia couldn't fight their way from Padre Island to the Houston suburbs in a hundred years even if civilians were the only opposition.

234 Gus  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:28:57pm

re: #230 gmsc

I predict a LNDT coming soon . . .

And the bar is open. >

235 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:31:52pm

re: #232 Gus 802

Yes, exactly, I read that they ask you to be serious when you enter that museum (of their previous dictator), you have to buy flowers and to bow in respect for his body. So he tried to look serious and touched, while his T-shirt said everything he had in mind)

236 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:32:21pm

re: #166 Steffan

There is just so much irony there..pot calling the kettle, etc. Remember the false smiles whenever they were in public, and the glares that were caught on camera when they let down their guard?

I have a really big carton of microwave popcorn, and hope to see this as a TV movie, coming to TV just in time for the next Senatorial elections! ;)

And to see a Demonrat write it? All the more delightful.

/Please feel free to suggest the ones who are best suited to play the major characters in said TV production...

Reminds me of Madame LaFarge, sitting knitting at the guillotine...

On that pleasant note? G'nite,Lizards, sweet dreams!

237 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:37:27pm
238 Steffan  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:50:27pm

re: #236 NY Nana

There is just so much irony there..pot calling the kettle, etc. Remember the false smiles whenever they were in public, and the glares that were caught on camera when they let down their guard?

I have a really big carton of microwave popcorn, and hope to see this as a TV movie, coming to TV just in time for the next Senatorial elections! ;)

And to see a Demonrat write it? All the more delightful.

/Please feel free to suggest the ones who are best suited to play the major characters in said TV production...

Reminds me of Madame LaFarge, sitting knitting at the guillotine...


[Video]On that pleasant note? G'nite,Lizards, sweet dreams!

If we're really lucky -- which I doubt -- there's also Sir Percy Blakeney, pretending to be Madame LaFarge....

239 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:17:57am

re: #173 Abu Lahab

And by the way, talking about North Korea, the most closed country on earth, here is a photo reportage from a Russian photographer who took these photos from the Chinese-Korean borders. That's the closest one can get to North Korea by feet (on a boat)
I thought I would share it with you
It feels like the USSR in the 50s probably.


Upding for the awesome link!

Here's my translation of the Russian captions:

Одну из самых ... на реке Ялуцзян.

One of the countries most closed-off to foreigners, North Korea can be photographed by various methods. You can do it at a model kindergarten at a presentation for Chinese tourists. You can take excellent snapshots under the hawk-like eye of a local kaggebéshnik, as it worked out for the Dutch photographer Tomas Van Houtryve. However, to take pictures of North Koreans in their normal living conditions, without fear of censorship, can be done only on a boat-trip along the China-Korea border, on the Yalu-Tzian River.

("kaggebéshnik" = KGB agent)

P.S. Бросаться ... "по ту сторону".

P.S. Throwing stones at boats passing on the river is a favorite pastime of (male) Koreans "on that side."

Incidentally, in the fifth picture from the bottom, you can see a surly NK dude displaying the "fig" gesture -- the equivalent of the middle finger in some countries.

240 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:36:43am

re: #229 Abu Lahab

The last photo on this thread made him quite famous. The guide did not understand that his T-shirt says (Hysteria of USSR) (mocking them of course).
It's an amazing account of North Korea inside, and from what I know no one else ever managed to do such travel again.

LOL at the photographer's closing comment -- he remarks, as a funny bit of language trivia, that the very very very rude Russian word for "penis" (хуй, pronounced approximately like "HOO-ee") sounds a lot like the word/noise/vocalization that Koreans use for saying "here, chick-chick-chick..." when throwing cracked corn to chickens and ducks and geese and whatnot.

So he'd be walking down the lane in a Korean village and hear people apparently yelling "Cock! Dick! Prick!" as they fed the chickens.

241 legalpad  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:34:55am

re: #122 ShanghaiEd

Would this happen to be "Our Global Neighborhood," as referenced by the World Net Daily?

No, this is from the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions under the title A Constitution for the World (1965). That's pre-internet, pre-personal computer, pre- "World Net Daily", which I have never read.

242 Teh Flowah  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:24:12am

re: #241 legalpad

No, this is from the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions under the title A Constitution for the World (1965). That's pre-internet, pre-personal computer, pre- "World Net Daily", which I have never read.

A quick google search shows nothing about its text, although some of the links that discuss the writing are hilariously retarded.

You think, with ads for books by Napolitano, The FLUORIDE DECEPTION, How artificial sugar is going to kill us all. Blah blah blah. Yeah, I get the feeling that's the kind of people who really get scared of the UN coming to take away their sovereignty. You'd have to ignore reality to believe that's going to happen. Like the fact that the UN has no muscle without the US.


Ohhh, here's another link mentioning the book. It's a religious guy's site. And it's littered with quotes from Revelations. This inspires confidence!

243 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:46:41am
244 S'latch  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:47:43am

There shouldn't necessarily be anything to fear about a one-world government. I think I would make a very good governor.

245 legalpad  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:13:14am

re: #242 Teh Flowah

A quick google search shows nothing about its text, although some of the links that discuss the writing are hilariously retarded.

You think, with ads for books by Napolitano, The FLUORIDE DECEPTION, How artificial sugar is going to kill us all. Blah blah blah. Yeah, I get the feeling that's the kind of people who really get scared of the UN coming to take away their sovereignty. You'd have to ignore reality to believe that's going to happen. Like the fact that the UN has no muscle without the US.

Ohhh, here's another link mentioning the book. It's a religious guy's site. And it's littered with quotes from Revelations. This inspires confidence!

You guys - jeez - I am looking at a hardcover book which I have owned since 1971. It is titled The Great Ideas Today and has the year 1971 on it's spine. It is part of the Britannica Great Books program. The "editors in chief" are Robert M. Hutchins and Mortimer J. Adler. On page 333 begins the "Preliminary Draft of a World Constitution."

On page 72 of this same book is a chapter entitled, "The Prospects for a World Government" by Joseph S. Clark. On page 346 is a chapter entitled "The Problem of World Government".

I have said nothing about what I believe about what is going to happen. I'm just saying that there have been and probably are serious discussions of World Government by people other than conspiracy theorists, even people associated with the U.N.

You don't need to set up straw men to talk to. Just talk to the person who has actually posted. Read my posts. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have no agenda.

246 Spartacus50  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:54:01pm

re: #216 iLikeCandy

Everyone seen The Ruins of Detroit?

You don't think this can happen to your city? Give it time


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