Overnight Open Thread

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Open • Wed Jun 3, 2009 at 11:27 pm PDT • Views: 195

The car suddenly veered off the road and we came to a sliding halt in the gravel. I was hurled against the dashboard. My attorney was slumped over the wheel. “What’s wrong?” I yelled. “We can’t stop here. This is bat country!”

Hunter Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

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1 zombie  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:29:39pm

Just in time for me to say good night!

2 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:30:37pm

Goodnight zombie...

3 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:30:49pm

Me three, goodnight all. Take care.

4 Racer X  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:31:32pm
5 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:31:43pm

Had a cup of coffee earlier...anyone else awake?

6 freetoken  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:31:53pm
“We can’t stop here. This is bat country!"

I say that to myself often when I cruise the WWW.

7 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:32:25pm

re: #1 zombie

G'nite Zombie!

8 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:32:44pm

re: #3 Pvt Bin Jammin

Me three, goodnight all. Take care.

Good night, PBJ and Zombie!

9 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:33:20pm

Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this...

Doctor: Then don't do that...

10 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:34:24pm

re: #8 gmsc

Good night, PBJ and Zombie!

Where have you been? I was ready to call out the national guard last night. lol

11 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:34:36pm

re: #9 sngnsgt

Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this...

Doctor: Then don't do that...

Speaking of good nights and old jokes . . .

12 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:36:06pm

re: #10 Pvt Bin Jammin

Where have you been? I was ready to call out the national guard last night. lol

re: #76 gmsc

I've had a few major problems in real life to deal with, and honestly, I wasn't honestly sure if I'd ever be able to get back to LGF.

It's nothing I want to go into detail about, but the major hurdles are done with, and little hurdles could still screw things up (so don't be suprised if I disappear again).

For now, though, everything should be OK.

Looking back through the archives, it seems I've missed some interesting events, though.

13 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:37:04pm

Hello & Good night, Lizards of the evening.
Play nicely!

14 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:37:24pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

Hello & Good night, Lizards of the evening.
Play nicely!

Good night, FG!

15 traderjoe9  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:38:01pm

Just a daily routine...

16 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:38:23pm

re: #12 gmsc

Good to see you here. Hope all is well. Take care, Vegas.

'Nite.

17 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:39:24pm

re: #16 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good to see you here. Hope all is well. Take care, Vegas.

'Nite.

Thanks, PBJ!

18 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:41:56pm

re: #3 Pvt Bin Jammin

G'nite PBJ!

19 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:43:09pm

re: #16 Pvt Bin Jammin

ZZZzzz. G'nite! Sweet dreams. I am actually really going to sleep..

G'nite, Lizards, sweet dreams!

20 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:43:53pm

re: #17 gmsc
Take care.

;-)I didn't intend my numero tres but it's pretty cool anyhow. lol

21 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:45:05pm

Yay! I managed to avoid comments #13 and #17 for the first time this week.

22 srb1976  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:45:42pm

re: #21 Fenway_Nation

Yay! I managed to avoid comments #13 and #17 for the first time this week.

Does that mean you've used up all your luck?

How goes the job search?

23 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:46:41pm

re: #19 NY Nana

G'nite NYNana!

24 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:48:22pm

Now the stalkers are attacking hot air.

25 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:48:40pm

re: #19 NY Nana

I am actually going to sleep too. I am really not a vampire, contrary to popular opinion.

Love ya, {nana}. I am really and truly out.

26 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:49:00pm

re: #23 Fenway_Nation

G'nite NYNana!

G'nite, Fenway Nation. I am a charter member .;)

Sweet dreams. NY Grampa is prying my fingers off the keyboard! I think he is trying to tell me something.

I really stay up waaay too late.

27 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:49:58pm

re: #24 Sharmuta

Now the stalkers are attacking hot air.

Never a truer word . . .
;)

28 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:50:30pm

re: #24 Sharmuta

Now the stalkers are attacking hot air.

Dang. I am too tired. Goodnight, Sharmuta.

29 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:50:50pm

re: #25 Pvt Bin Jammin

Love ya, Pvt...get a good night's sleep. I nearly am on my keyboard, and it leaves some really nasty marks on my face!

30 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:54:20pm

re: #29 NY Nana

Love ya, Pvt...get a good night's sleep. I nearly am on my keyboard, and it leaves some really nasty marks on my face!

How well I know.

Love ya.

31 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:54:22pm

re: #29 NY Nana

Love ya, Pvt...get a good night's sleep. I nearly am on my keyboard, and it leaves some really nasty marks on my face!

Ever have a guy say afterwards, "You know, I'm attracted to your type . . ."

32 srb1976  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:54:26pm

Good night to everyone who left while I was doing work related stuff...
(catching up and couldn't keep track) = )

33 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:55:14pm

re: #22 srb1976

I think I used up all my luck avoiding #13 and #17.

/lots of paperwork to fill out, even more ambiguity.

34 BignJames  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:55:24pm

Ever seen a man in the depths of an ether binge?

or something like that

35 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:55:39pm

re: #32 srb1976

Good night to everyone who left while I was doing work related stuff...
(catching up and couldn't keep track) = )

G'nite, srb1976!

36 srb1976  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:56:35pm

re: #33 Fenway_Nation

I think I used up all my luck avoiding #13 and #17.

/lots of paperwork to fill out, even more ambiguity.

Well...I hope you have some good luck soon anyway...wish I could help

37 gmsc  Wed, Jun 3, 2009 11:56:58pm

If anyone wants to see how magic meetings go in Las Vegas, check out the live video feed at streetofcards.tv.

I used to attend, by my schedule doesn't allow it anymore.

38 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:00:11am

Today in History, June 4th:

Highlights of this day in history: Chinese troops crush a pro-democracy movement in Beijing's Tiananmen Square; World War II's Battle of Midway begins; Henry Ford tests his quadricycle; Bruce Springsteen releases 'Born in the U.S.A.'

Other notable June 4th events include:

781 BC – The first historic solar eclipse is recorded in China.

1584 – Sir Walter Raleigh establishes the first English colony on Roanoke Island, old Virginia (now North Carolina).

1812 – Following Louisiana's admittance as a U.S. state, the Louisiana Territory is renamed the Missouri Territory.

1876 – An express train called the Transcontinental Express arrives in San Francisco, California, via the First Transcontinental Railroad only 83 hours and 39 minutes after having left New York City.

1912 – Massachusetts becomes the first state of the United States to set a minimum wage.

1917 – The first Pulitzer Prizes are awarded: Laura E. Richards, Maude H. Elliott, and Florence Hall receive the first Pulitzer for biography (for Julia Ward Howe). Jean Jules Jusserand receives the first Pulitzer for history for his work With Americans of Past and Present Days. Herbert B. Swope receives the first Pulitzer for journalism for his work for the New York World.

1919 – Women's rights: The U.S. Congress approves the 19th Amendment to the United States Constitution, which guarantees suffrage to women, and sends it to the U.S. states for ratification.

1998 – Terry Nichols is sentenced to life in prison for his role in the Oklahoma City bombing.

39 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:02:03am

re: #36 srb1976

Thanks for the good wishes...

40 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:03:12am

Anybody have some links I can send to a friend to dispute her theory that the whole world hated us when we "invaded Iraq" . Short links preferrable because her attention span is short.

Thank you in advance.

41 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:03:46am

Yet another very slow night here...at least you guys keep it from being AS boring...

42 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:04:08am

re: #41 srb1976

Yet another very slow night here...at least you guys keep it from being AS boring...

:)

43 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:07:45am

re: #42 gmsc

:)

Seems to be a slow night on the Inter-webs in general.

44 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:09:02am

re: #40 kateca

Anybody have some links I can send to a friend to dispute her theory that the whole world hated us when we "invaded Iraq" . Short links preferrable because her attention span is short.

Thank you in advance.

Here's a start:

45 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:10:09am

re: #43 Alberta Oil Peon

Seems to be a slow night on the Inter-webs in general.

Working the night shift here, been slow enough, for long enough, that I'm not sure I want to do anything at this point = )

46 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:10:37am

re: #44 gmsc

Here's a start:

[Video]

Even better:

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:11:49am

re: #4 Racer X

I see your Muppets, and raise you cartoon rabbits.

Also NSFW.

48 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:11:57am

Ha! Bat country!

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:14:57am

re: #24 Sharmuta

They'd attack mayonnaise if they thought it didn't toe their particular line.

50 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:16:46am

re: #4 Racer X

Reservoir Dogs Take Manhattan

NSFW!

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

I see your Muppets, and raise you cartoon rabbits.

Also NSFW.

I never saw Reservoir Dogs, and now I know I'm not missing anything.

51 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:18:10am

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

They'd attack mayonnaise if they thought it didn't toe their particular line.

We should get a fund together, and award it to the first person who can successfully get the stalker blog to complain about "Big Mayo".

52 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:18:38am

re: #50 gmsc

I never saw Reservoir Dogs, and now I know I'm not missing anything.

If you want an entertaining Tarantino movie, I prefer 4 rooms...more funny than violent (violent too...but more funny)

53 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:19:35am

re: #27 gmsc

Never a truer word . . .
;)

Naturally- it's Allah Pundit they're going after.

54 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:19:44am

re: #31 gmsc

Ever have a guy say afterwards, "You know, I'm attracted to your type . . ."

you might say that they key on your looks...

55 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:20:15am

re: #40 kateca

Anybody have some links I can send to a friend to dispute her theory that the whole world hated us when we "invaded Iraq" . Short links preferrable because her attention span is short.

Thank you in advance.

Ever Wonder Why Some People Hate America? (Thomas Sowell)

56 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:21:05am

re: #40 kateca

Anybody have some links I can send to a friend to dispute her theory that the whole world hated us when we "invaded Iraq" . Short links preferrable because her attention span is short.

Thank you in advance.

send her something from lolcats... that sounds about her speed.

otherwise, i fear you are trying to conduct pig singing lessons.

57 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:21:11am

re: #52 srb1976

If you want an entertaining Tarantino movie, I prefer 4 rooms...more funny than violent (violent too...but more funny)

If I want an entertaining movie, I usually start by making sure Tarantino is nowhere in the credits.

58 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:22:48am

re: #57 gmsc

= )
(I still like 4 Rooms though)

59 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:23:28am

re: #58 srb1976

Me too.

60 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:23:55am

re: #57 gmsc

If I want an entertaining movie, I usually start by making sure Tarantino is nowhere in the credits.

if i want an entertaining movie, i look for Clint Eastwood or John Wayne. %-)

61 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:24:35am

re: #51 gmsc

We should get a fund together, and award it to the first person who can successfully get the stalker blog to complain about "Big Mayo".

That would be too easy- Charles would win it by just saying he loves mayo.

62 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:27:06am

re: #40 kateca

Anybody have some links I can send to a friend to dispute her theory that the whole world hated us when we "invaded Iraq" . Short links preferrable because her attention span is short.

Thank you in advance.

re: #55 gmsc

Ever Wonder Why Some People Hate America? (Thomas Sowell)

Short version:

1. America symbolizes freedom.

2. Freedom is the ability to live one's life as they see fit, regardless of what their betters think.

3. Many intellectuals see themselves as betters, so freedom is disturbing to them.

4. The more freedom prevails, the more the vision of the intellectual fails, so the more they hate America.

63 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:27:36am

re: #61 Sharmuta

That would be too easy- Charles would win it by just saying he loves mayo.

naw... closet leftie that he is he undoubtedly likes Miracle Whip.

/white smoke

64 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:27:41am

re: #61 Sharmuta

How about going to the Mayo clinic?

65 Steffan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:27:45am

re: #38 gmsc

As for the 1876 quote: Considering the transcontinental railroad was completed well before 1876, their figures are questionable at best.

Try 1869.

66 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:28:17am

re: #50 gmsc

It's not such a bad film, actually. Borrow a copy from someone. If you still think it sucks, I'll trade you 99 minutes of my life. Somehow.

67 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:29:06am

re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth

It's not such a bad film, actually. Borrow a copy from someone. If you still think it sucks, I'll trade you 99 minutes of my life. Somehow.

i'll take 99 beers... should i email you my addy?

68 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:29:22am

Butter!

Parkay...

Butter!

Parkay...

69 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:29:31am

69!

70 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:29:58am

re: #69 Sharmuta

69!

Whoo Hoo!

71 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:30:40am

re: #65 Steffan

As for the 1876 quote: Considering the transcontinental railroad was completed well before 1876, their figures are questionable at best.

Try 1869.

it possible that was the first scheduled transcontinental train, and previously you had to switch back and forth to get there?

72 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:31:20am

re: #70 srb1976

Whoo Hoo!

i see you jumped right on that offer...

73 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:33:13am

gmsc, watch "Reservoir Dogs" if for no other reason than performances by Tim Roth and Harvey keitel.

74 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:33:56am

re: #38 gmsc

1876 – An express train called the Transcontinental Express arrives in San Francisco, California, via the First Transcontinental Railroad only 83 hours and 39 minutes after having left New York City.

re: #65 Steffan

As for the 1876 quote: Considering the transcontinental railroad was completed well before 1876, their figures are questionable at best.

Try 1869.

Where does it say anything about the First Transcontinental Railroad not being completed before 1876?

June 4th, 1876 was the date the Transcontinental Express arrived in San Francisco from New York in 83 hours and 39 minutes. The speed of traveling that distance was impressive for the time, and widely reported in newspapers at the time.

As it happened, it used the First Transcontinental Railroad, so it's a good thing it was built. (Otherwise, the trip would've been much slower! ;)

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:34:09am

re: #57 gmsc

If I want an entertaining movie, I usually start by making sure Tarantino is nowhere in the credits.

Hey now, I thought 'True Romance' was pretty cool. Granted, that film was picked on a whim by my date for that evening, and I thought I was being suckered into a chick-flick, so I was pleasantly surprised.

76 sngnsgt  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:36:55am

re: #68 Sharmuta

Margarine!

77 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:37:53am

re: #76 sngnsgt

Margarine!

Parkaaa-aaayyy...

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:37:54am

re: #67 redc1c4

That's worth WAAAY more than 99 minutes of my life. Red, you suck at negotiations.
/

79 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:38:08am

re: #72 redc1c4

i see you jumped right on that offer...

Just happened to be watching at the right time = )
(didn't mean to beat you to it)

80 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:38:38am

re: #38 gmsc
June 1944 Gen. Mark Clarks 5th army liberates Rome. Of course he wasn't supposed to be liberating Rome, his army was supposed to be heading across the pennisula to meet with the British and trap the Germans trying to escape. Good photo op, bad strategic and tactical move.

81 Steffan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:39:47am

re: #67 redc1c4

i'll take 99 beers... should i email you my addy?

99 bottles of beer on the wall...


re: #71 redc1c4

it possible that was the first scheduled transcontinental train, and previously you had to switch back and forth to get there?

99 bottles of beer..
Take one down, pass it around,
98 bottles of beer on the wall...

It gets better from there.

Sorry, but there was no transcontinental railroad before the Union Pacific and the Central Pacific met at Promontory Summit, UT.

82 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:41:09am

June 4, 1876
Express train crosses the nation in 83 hours

A mere 83 hours after leaving New York City, the Transcontinental Express train arrives in San Francisco.

That any human being could travel across the entire nation in less than four days was inconceivable to previous generations of Americans. During the early 19th century, when Thomas Jefferson first dreamed of an American nation stretching from "sea to shining sea," it took the president 10 days to travel the 225 miles from Monticello to Philadelphia via carriage. Even with frequent changing of horses, the 100-mile journey from New York to Philadelphia demanded two days hard travel in a light stagecoach. At such speeds, the coasts of the continent-wide American nation were months apart. How could such a vast country ever hope to remain united?

As early as 1802, Jefferson had some glimmer of an answer. "The introduction of so powerful an agent as steam," he predicted, "[to a carriage on wheels] will make a great change in the situation of man." Though Jefferson never saw a train in his lifetime, he had glimpsed the future with the idea. Within half a century, America would have more railroads than any other nation in the world. By 1869, the first transcontinental line linking the coasts was completed. Suddenly, a journey that had previously taken months using horses could be made in less than a week.

Five days after the transcontinental railroad was completed, daily passenger service over the rails began. The speed and comfort offered by rail travel was so astonishing that many Americans could scarcely believe it, and popular magazines wrote glowing accounts of the amazing journey. For the wealthy, a trip on the transcontinental railroad was a luxurious experience. First-class passengers rode in beautifully appointed cars with plush velvet seats that converted into snug sleeping berths. The finer amenities included steam heat, fresh linen daily, and gracious porters who catered to their every whim. For an extra $4 a day, the wealthy traveler could opt to take the weekly Pacific Hotel Express, which offered first-class dining on board. As one happy passenger wrote, "The rarest and richest of all my journeying through life is this three-thousand miles by rail."

The trip was a good deal less speedy and comfortable for passengers unwilling or unable to pay the premium fares. Whereas most of the first-class passengers traveled the transcontinental line for business or pleasure, the third-class occupants were often emigrants hoping to make a new start in the West. A third-class ticket could be purchased for only $40--less than half the price of the first-class fare. At this low rate, the traveler received no luxuries. Their cars, fitted with rows of narrow wooden benches, were congested, noisy, and uncomfortable. The railroad often attached the coach cars to freight cars that were constantly shunted aside to make way for the express trains. Consequently, the third-class traveler's journey west might take 10 or more days. Even under these trying conditions, few travelers complained. Even 10 days spent sitting on a hard bench seat was preferable to six months walking alongside a Conestoga wagon on the Oregon Trail.

Railroad promotions, however, naturally focused on the speedy express trains. The arrival of the Transcontinental Express train in San Francisco on this day in 1876 was widely celebrated in the newspapers and magazines of the day. With this new express service, a businessman could leave New York City on Monday morning, spend 83 hours in relaxing comfort, and arrive refreshed and ready for work in San Francisco by Thursday evening. The powerful agent of steam had effectively shrunk a vast nation to a manageable size.

83 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:41:23am

re: #69 Sharmuta

Lemme check my notes...
checking...
checking...
checking...

Oddly enough, I have nothing suitably sexist/humorous enough prepared for that. What a disappointment.

/FAIL

84 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:42:09am

re: #81 Steffan

Actually...that didn't quite do it either...they bridged the Missouri River after that...according to the Wiki article

85 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:42:59am

re: #83 Slumbering Behemoth

Lemme check my notes...
checking...
checking...
checking...

Oddly enough, I have nothing suitably sexist/humorous enough prepared for that. What a disappointment.

/FAIL

Wow. Not even "UP ding!"?

86 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:43:23am

re: #81 Steffan

Sorry, but there was no transcontinental railroad before the Union Pacific and the Central Pacific met at Promontory Summit, UT.

Who said there was?

In the year numbering system I use, 1876 (the year of the 83 hour, 39 minute trip) comes after 1869 (the date of the completion of the First Transcontinental Railroad).

87 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:43:31am

re: #44 gmsc
Thank you!

88 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:44:11am

It's come to this...

89 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:44:55am

re: #87 kateca

Thank you!

You're welcome.

There's more for you at #55 and #62.

90 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:45:30am

re: #86 gmsc

Who said there was?

In the year numbering system I use, 1876 (the year of the 83 hour, 39 minute trip) comes after 1869 (the date of the completion of the First Transcontinental Railroad).

And you couldn't take the train the whole way until 1872 (growing up in Nebraska, that little tidbit comes up in history class...with emphasis)

91 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:47:51am

re: #90 srb1976

And you couldn't take the train the whole way until 1872 (growing up in Nebraska, that little tidbit comes up in history class...with emphasis)

I think Steffan is reading something into the original post that isn't there.

His attitude suggests that there is a difference of opinion, but everything Steffan has stated so far supports the original post.

92 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:48:30am

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

That's worth WAAAY more than 99 minutes of my life. Red, you suck at negotiations.
/

but not mine...

93 Steffan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:49:11am

re: #84 srb1976

Actually...that didn't quite do it either...they bridged the Missouri River after that...according to the Wiki article

Yep. Their main focus at the time was Omaha - Sacramento. Bridging the Missouri River took another year or so, when their feeder line (the Rock Island Line) made it to Council Bluffs, NB.

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:51:30am

re: #85 Sharmuta

What can I say? I take the concept and practice of oral very seriously.

95 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:51:32am

Why are we arguing about trains?

96 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:52:30am

re: #95 Sharmuta

Why are we arguing about trains?

Nothing better to do?

97 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:52:43am

re: #95 Sharmuta

Why are we arguing about trains?

Fenway did it. He won't be happy until we all have a locomotive.

98 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:52:48am

re: #62 gmsc

G-d bless you

99 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:53:00am

re: #95 Sharmuta

Why are we arguing about trains?

I'm not sure. Steffan seems to be saying that an 83+ hour train trip in 1876 wasn't possible because the railroad path that built it was created 7 years earlier.

100 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:53:50am

re: #97 Panhandler

Fenway did it. He won't be happy until we all have a locomotive.

I spent the weekend in a caboose once...does that count?
(they make nice camping facilities)

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:54:52am

re: #92 redc1c4

Right then. I will give you a good 99 minutes of my life, and in exchange you can give 1,000 bottles of your good beer. Deal?
/

102 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:54:54am

re: #96 srb1976

Nothing better to do?

I thought we were fighting about condiments.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:56:03am

re: #102 Sharmuta

My mustard can beat up your mustard!

104 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:56:14am

re: #102 Sharmuta

I thought we were fighting about condiments.

Nah, then we'd be fighting with more relish.

105 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:56:40am

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

My mustard can beat up your mustard!

Well, my mustard can poup on your mustard!

106 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:56:50am

re: #102 Sharmuta

I thought we were fighting about condiments.

Oh...in that case, laet me go on record as against Mayo, in favor of Miracle Whip...it's a personal choice = )

107 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:58:20am

re: #100 srb1976

From the Dutch "kabhuis" for a cabin on a ship where meals were prepared.

108 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:58:50am

Great- I'm already playing ketchup.

109 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:59:20am

re: #96 srb1976

Nothing better to do?

no one is willing to pull their weight

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:59:59am

Bah! Down with your mayo, your relish, your "miracle whip" (ha, miracle my arse).

Yellow mustard and sriracha FTW!

111 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:00:17am

re: #97 Panhandler

Fenway did it. He won't be happy until we all have a locomotive.

moon bats have loco motives

112 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:00:44am

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

Bah! Down with your mayo, your relish, your "miracle whip" (ha, miracle my arse).

Yellow mustard and sriracha FTW!

tabasco rules all, you heathen.

113 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:01:12am

re: #106 srb1976

Oh...in that case, laet me go on record as against Mayo, in favor of Miracle Whip...it's a personal choice = )

"I'll take Ham on 5, hold the Mayo."
-Captain Oveur

114 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:01:13am

re: #104 gmsc

Nah, then we'd be fighting with more relish.

and likely wind up in a pickle

115 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:01:20am

re: #107 Panhandler

From the Dutch "kabhuis" for a cabin on a ship where meals were prepared.

If you say so...
One of our local parks converted a bunch of the old Union Pacific cabooses into cabins (since they already had basic living quarters in them) and rented them out.

116 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:01:21am

Parkaaayy.

117 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:01:36am

re: #113 gmsc

"I'll take Ham on 5, hold the Mayo."
-Captain Oveur


[Video]

i'd like some dry toast...

118 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:02:01am

re: #116 Sharmuta

Parkaaayy.

what a crock.

119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:02:24am

re: #108 Sharmuta

I see your game. You would try to fool us. You are actually playing catsup, trickster!

120 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:02:29am

re: #100 srb1976

I spent the weekend in a caboose once...does that count?
(they make nice camping facilities)


They're more prevelant than I thought.

121 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:02:36am

Can your condiment talk?

122 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:02:44am

what they need is a product called "i can't believe it's not margarine".

123 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:02:48am

re: #112 redc1c4

tabasco rules all, you heathen.

I can support tabasco as a compromise candidate...but it really is more of a third party, no real election prospects = )

124 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:03:40am

re: #119 Slumbering Behemoth

I see your game. You would try to fool us. You are actually playing catsup, trickster!

Blue ketchup?

125 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:03:58am

In two hours, we should be able to watch President Obama's speech from Cairo, live, at the WH youtube channel:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

126 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:05:08am

Wait...so what were we talking about? Running over some condiments with some locomotives?

127 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:05:41am

Chiffon margarine commercial from the late 60's: " When you think it's butter but its snot, it's Chiffon"

128 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:05:55am

re: #121 Sharmuta

Can your condiment talk?



Great, here we go. Condiment argument.

129 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:06:01am

re: #120 Panhandler

They're more prevelant than I thought.

Also here

130 Steffan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:06:01am

re: #99 gmsc

I'm not sure. Steffan seems to be saying that an 83+ hour train trip in 1876 wasn't possible because the railroad path that built it was created 7 years earlier.

Sorry about that. I'm quoting a book (I can't find for the moment) that says the trip from New York to San Francisco, in 1869/1870, took a bit less than a week after the rails were connected at Promontory Summit. The selling point, IIRC, was that you could take a bath in the Atlantic and then, a week later, take your next bath in the Pacific. There was also a major advantage in military shipments, which was the main reason the federal government invested in the railroads.

I don't know where I put the book, but I'll give y'all the ISBN as soon as I find it.

131 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:06:21am

re: #126 Fenway_Nation

... with ketchup/catsup (neither of which I like.)

132 captwfcall  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:06:24am

funny. there is a dianetics ad on the main page.

133 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:07:10am

re: #112 redc1c4

On a serious note, if you dig hot sauce you might dig this.

Not for the feint of tongue (or, *ahem*), but it is mighty tasty.

134 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:08:24am

re: #129 srb1976

Er, your park made the list.

135 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:08:58am

re: #125 freetoken

In two hours, we should be able to watch President Obama's speech from Cairo, live, at the WH youtube channel:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

i'll be busy pulling my finger and toe nails out, followed by do it yourself trepanning...

136 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:09:45am

re: #89 gmsc

noted and forwarded. In fact I'm forwarding the whole thread. The woman in question is my sis and I love her dearly but she hung up on me tonight. Unable to listen to any criticism of the O.

Mind set. It's Bush's fault. Everything...She loves Obama. That is all.

Nevertheless, I keep trying...

137 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:09:58am

re: #134 Panhandler

Er, your park made the list.

Sorry, I run into a lot of blocked links, since I'm on company time...sometimes for no apparent reason...didn't mean to repeat

138 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:10:00am

re: #116 Sharmuta

Butter.

139 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:10:54am

re: #132 captwfcall

funny. there is a dianetics ad on the main page.

we don't get anywhere near as much Scientology mail as we used to...

guess they finally figured out those freaks had moved on.

140 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:11:25am

re: #137 srb1976

de nada, I'm retired do this is my "work" computer.

141 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:12:30am

re: #136 kateca

noted and forwarded. In fact I'm forwarding the whole thread. The woman in question is my sis and I love her dearly but she hung up on me tonight. Unable to listen to any criticism of the O.

Mind set. It's Bush's fault. Everything...She loves Obama. That is all.

Nevertheless, I keep trying...

Obama is the shepherd I did not want.
He leadeth me beside the still factories.
He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.
He guideth me in the path of unemployment for his party's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line,
I shall fear no hunger for his bailouts are with me.
He has anointed my income with taxes.
My expenses runneth over.
Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life.
And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.

I am glad I am American.
I am glad that I am free.
But I wish I was a male dog
...And Obama was a tree.

142 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:14:02am

re: #136 kateca

noted and forwarded. In fact I'm forwarding the whole thread. The woman in question is my sis and I love her dearly but she hung up on me tonight. Unable to listen to any criticism of the O.

Mind set. It's Bush's fault. Everything...She loves Obama. That is all.

Nevertheless, I keep trying...

how old is this person?

143 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:14:24am

re: #141 gmsc

Damn, I just spit my dentures out!

144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:14:30am

re: #116 Sharmuta

Butter.

145 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:14:58am

re: #143 Panhandler

Damn, I just spit my dentures out!


as long as they didn't land in the mayo, we're okay.

146 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:15:38am

re: #136 kateca

noted and forwarded. In fact I'm forwarding the whole thread. The woman in question is my sis and I love her dearly but she hung up on me tonight. Unable to listen to any criticism of the O.

Mind set. It's Bush's fault. Everything...She loves Obama. That is all.

Nevertheless, I keep trying...

You have better things to do than argue about 0bama with her. It doesn't sound like you're going to change her mind, so there's probably little point in bringing these things up with her.

If you feel you must challenge her, I suggest granting her premises and following from those. Start by saying, "Oh, I know absolutely nothing could ever change your mind about 0bama. It wouldn't matter what he did, I know your opinion would be unchanging . . ."

147 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:16:27am

re: #146 gmsc

You have better things to do than argue about 0bama with her. It doesn't sound like you're going to change her mind, so there's probably little point in bringing these things up with her.

If you feel you must challenge her, I suggest granting her premises and following from those. Start by saying, "Oh, I know absolutely nothing could ever change your mind about 0bama. It wouldn't matter what he did, I know your opinion would be unchanging . . ."

hell, just take her your bills and ask her to cover them, since you need a bail out and are too big to fail.

148 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:17:23am

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

Butter.

It's the treat of the week.

149 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:17:47am

re: #147 redc1c4

hell, just take her your bills and ask her to cover them, since you need a bail out and are too big to fail.

I like that! Updinged and favorited!

150 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:17:50am

I'm sitting here trying to think of a pun on nam pla or nuoc mam, and coming up dry. (Under-appreciated condiment, though.)

151 captwfcall  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:18:51am

re: #136 kateca

noted and forwarded. In fact I'm forwarding the whole thread. The woman in question is my sis and I love her dearly but she hung up on me tonight. Unable to listen to any criticism of the O.

Mind set. It's Bush's fault. Everything...She loves Obama. That is all.

Nevertheless, I keep trying...

i find myself having to just bite my tongue most times. if i say a single thing about Obama that is not positive, i catch too much grief.
my aunt who has no insurance because she chooses to live off of my grandmother. my cousins who've had their lives financed by other family members. they think Obama is a God and can do no wrong. and anyone that says otherwise is a misinformed hick or religious zealot.

and there's a common thread i've noticed about the people in my family who think Obama can do no wrong. they all have hardly ever worked and have leeched off other people. they've never had to work for anything, nor will they ever.

152 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:19:19am

Here are 2 quotes:

"Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory ... of how we are taking responsibility."

"Account must be taken of every single article, every pound of grain, because what socialism implies above all is keeping account of everything"

Here's your challenge: Which one was said by Nancy Pelosi in 2009, and which was said by Lenin in 1917?

153 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:19:52am

re: #150 Throbert McGee

I'm sitting here trying to think of a pun on nam pla or nuoc mam, and coming up dry. (Under-appreciated condiment, though.)

there's something fishy about nuoc mam...

154 Erik The Red  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:20:24am

Good Morning you bunch of insomniacs. I trust all of you are well. I am very busy tying up loose ends here and have limited net access. My family fly out on the 17th of June and I should not be to far behind. :)

155 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:21:44am

re: #150 Throbert McGee

I'm sitting here trying to think of a pun on nam pla or nuoc mam, and coming up dry. (Under-appreciated condiment, though.)

Which came first, nuoc mam or Tiger 33, they seem to offset each other.

156 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:22:13am

re: #151 captwfcall

i find myself having to just bite my tongue most times. if i say a single thing about Obama that is not positive, i catch too much grief.
my aunt who has no insurance because she chooses to live off of my grandmother. my cousins who've had their lives financed by other family members. they think Obama is a God and can do no wrong. and anyone that says otherwise is a misinformed hick or religious zealot.

and there's a common thread i've noticed about the people in my family who think Obama can do no wrong. they all have hardly ever worked and have leeched off other people. they've never had to work for anything, nor will they ever.

family or not, i'd cut off contact with them... let'em whistle.

157 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:22:37am

re: #148 Panhandler

I now feel cold, and more than a bit paranoid.
/

158 captwfcall  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:23:37am

re: #156 redc1c4

family or not, i'd cut off contact with them... let'em whistle.

i get super pissed when talking to my aunt. she seriously thinks she's getting free insurance from Obama. and I'm sitting there thinking 'it ain't free, i'm paying for it!'.

159 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:23:40am

that was a big honkin rat, 'cause he made a helluva racket going down the far side of the fence.

2 for 2 tonight %-)

160 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:24:24am

re: #154 Erik The Red

The Erik theme song.

161 captwfcall  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:25:28am

just watched tonight's Conan ep. can't believe how Julia Dreyfus was foaming at the mouth over seeing the First Lady. I felt embarassed for her.

162 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:25:35am

re: #158 captwfcall

i get super pissed when talking to my aunt. she seriously thinks she's getting free insurance from Obama. and I'm sitting there thinking 'it ain't free, i'm paying for it!'.

all the more reason to quit talking: you get riled up and throw a shoe, there won;t be anyone to pay for her insurance, you thoughtless bastid!

163 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:25:58am

I think the obvious condiment champion 'round these parts is Fruitcup™.

164 captwfcall  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:26:20am

re: #162 redc1c4

all the more reason to quit talking: you get riled up and throw a shoe, there won;t be anyone to pay for her insurance, you thoughtless bastid!

haha! good point. i'm a sorry mofo!

165 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:26:31am

re: #161 captwfcall

just watched tonight's Conan ep. can't believe how Julia Dreyfus was foaming at the mouth over seeing the First Lady. I felt embarassed for her.

i'd be embarrassed to watch Conan... we saw Jay at the local gas station the other night, in one of his fancy cars.

166 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:26:40am

Does anyone like cats? I regrettably showed this to my wife, who played it constantly. It's amusing.

167 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:26:57am

re: #163 Sharmuta

I think the obvious condiment champion 'round these parts is Fruitcup™.

it's not a condiment...

168 sngnsgt  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:27:04am

re: #108 Sharmuta

Great- I'm already playing ketchup.

LOL!

169 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:27:40am

re: #163 Sharmuta

I think the obvious condiment champion 'round these parts is Fruitcup™.

gmsc likes it with absinthe.

170 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:27:47am

re: #166 BatGuano

Does anyone like cats? I regrettably showed this to my wife, who played it constantly. It's amusing.

that's just weird.

171 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:27:57am

Edmund Burke and President Obama
by Thomas Sowell
Part 1 of 2

The other day I sought a respite from current events by re-reading some of the writings of 18th century British statesman Edmund Burke. But it was not nearly as big an escape as I had thought it would be.

When Burke wrote of his apprehension about "new power in new persons," I could not help think of the new powers that have been created by which a new President of the United States -- a man with zero experience in business -- can fire the head of General Motors and tell banks how to run their businesses.

Not only is Barack Obama new to the presidency, he is new to running any organization. One of Burke's fears was that "we may place our confidence in the virtue of those who have never been tried."

Neither eloquence nor zeal was a substitute for experience, according to Burke. He said, "eloquence may exist without a proportionate degree of wisdom." As for zeal, Burke said: "It is no excuse for presumptuous ignorance that it is directed by insolent passion."

The Obama administration's going back and forth on the question whether American intelligence agents who forced information out of captured terrorist leaders will be subjected to legal jeopardy, even though they were told at the time that what they were doing was not only legal but a service to the nation, came to mind when reading Burke's warning about the dangers of continuing to change the rules and values by which people lived.

Burke asked how we could expect a sense of honor to exist when "no man could know what would be the test of honour in a nation, continually varying the standard of its coin?"

The current drive to take from "the rich" for the benefit of others came to mind when reading Burke's warning against creating a situation where "any one description of citizens should be brought to regard any of the others as their proper prey."

He also warned that "those who attempt to level, never equalise." What they end up doing is concentrating power in their own hands-- and Burke saw such new powers as dangerous, even if they were used only sparingly at first.

He said, "the true danger is, when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients and by parts." He also said: "It is by lying dormant a long time, or being at first very rarely exercised, that arbitrary power steals upon a people."

People who don't like "the rich" or "big business" or the banks may be happy that President Obama is sticking it to them. But such arbitrary powers can be turned on anybody. As Robert Burns said: "Send not to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." There was a lot of wisdom in the 18th century.

172 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:28:01am

re: #141 gmsc

But I wish I was a male dog
...And Obama was a tree.

You think small!

Consider the ways of the pygmy hippopotamus, thou sluggard...

173 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:28:01am

Edmund Burke and President Obama
by Thomas Sowell
Part 2 of 2

The Constitution of the United States set out to limit the powers of the federal government but judges have greatly eroded those limitations over the years and the dispensing of bailout money has allowed the Obama administration to exercise powers that the Constitution never gave them.

Edmund Burke understood that, no matter what form of government you had, in the end the character of those who wielded the powers of government was crucial. He said: "Constitute government how you please, infinitely the greater part of it must depend upon the exercise of the powers which are left at large to the prudence and uprightness of ministers of state."

He also said, "of all things, we ought to be the most concerned who and what sort of men they are that hold the trust of everything that is dear to us." He feared particularly the kind of man "whose whole importance has begun with his office, and is sure to end with it"-- the kind of man "who before he comes into power has no friends, or who coming into power is obliged to desert his friends." Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and others came to mind.

The biggest challenge to America -- and to the world -- today is the danger of Iran with nuclear weapons. President Obama is acting as if this is something he can finesse with talks or deals. Worse yet, he may think it is something we can live with.

Burke had something to say about things like that as well: "There is no safety for honest men, but by believing all possible evil of evil men, and by acting with promptitude, decision, and steadiness on that belief." Acting -- not talking.

174 Erik The Red  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:28:03am

re: #160 Panhandler

The Erik theme song.

I am in for a BIG SURPRISE when I get off the plane in Orlando. The humidity is going kill me.

175 captwfcall  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:28:09am

re: #165 redc1c4

i'd be embarrassed to watch Conan... we saw Jay at the local gas station the other night, in one of his fancy cars.

always dug conan, but he's not for everyone, that's for sure.
jay has an impressive car collection.

176 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:28:25am

re: #169 BatGuano

gmsc likes it with absinthe.

i prefer everclear...

(fruitcup is optional %-)

177 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:30:00am

re: #167 redc1c4

But... I relish it.

178 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:30:22am

re: #167 redc1c4

it's not a condiment...

If you use the fruitcup to add flavor (and fiber!) to your booze, then it is by definition a condiment.

179 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:30:23am

re: #170 redc1c4

that's just weird.

Of course it's weird! :)

180 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:31:09am

re: #151 captwfcall

As you describe it, it seems rational debate is pointless.

I recommend tossing out random non sequitors for your own amusement when the subject of Obama or politics arises.

"What about all those pregnant, unwed, teenage mimes that drink hub cab polish? Who's gonna pay for their habit?"

181 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:31:34am

re: #177 Sharmuta

But... I relish it.

so *thats* what all the weird green stuff is... i though LoL had sneezed or something. %-)

182 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:31:59am

re: #180 Slumbering Behemoth

As you describe it, it seems rational debate is pointless.

I recommend tossing out random non sequitors for your own amusement when the subject of Obama or politics arises.

"What about all those pregnant, unwed, teenage mimes that drink hub cab polish? Who's gonna pay for their habit?"

nuns?

183 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:32:57am

re: #182 redc1c4

Ooooh, you are quick you sly rat killer.

184 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:33:03am

re: #178 Throbert McGee

If you use the fruitcup to add flavor (and fiber!) to your booze, then it is by definition a condiment.

*hic*

185 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:33:51am

re: #180 Slumbering Behemoth

As you describe it, it seems rational debate is pointless.

I recommend tossing out random non sequitors for your own amusement when the subject of Obama or politics arises.

"What about all those pregnant, unwed, teenage mimes that drink hub cab polish? Who's gonna pay for their habit?"

My hobby: Appending "no pun intended" to lines with with no pun in them.

186 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:34:33am

That's why they call it a Fruit Cocktail.

187 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:34:43am

re: #184 Sharmuta

*hic*

Why are there tiny blue bubbles obscuring my screen?

188 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:34:51am

re: #180 Slumbering Behemoth

As you describe it, it seems rational debate is pointless.

I recommend tossing out random non sequitors for your own amusement when the subject of Obama or politics arises.

"What about all those pregnant, unwed, teenage mimes that drink hub cab polish? Who's gonna pay for their habit?"

Maybe we could ween them off slowly. Start with something that's not so different from hub cap polish, like red's fruitcup . . .

189 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:35:03am

Damnit, where is mai frootkup?!

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:35:28am

re: #163 Sharmuta

You dare reduce the Sanctified Fruit Cup to the status of a mere "condiment"? Infidel!

May you suffer in the swirling sands of a fruitless desert!
/

191 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:36:12am

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

You dare reduce the Sanctified Fruit Cup to the status of a mere "condiment"? Infidel!

May you suffer in the swirling sands of a fruitless desert!
/

...or dessert, as the case may be.

192 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:36:55am
193 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:37:25am

re: #185 gmsc

My hobby: Appending "no pun intended" to lines with with no pun in them.

i keep forgetting to read that comic regularly...

194 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:37:49am

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

You dare reduce the Sanctified Fruit Cup to the status of a mere "condiment"? Infidel!

May you suffer in the swirling sands of a fruitless desert!
/

May she have to exist on the leavings of 3 year old trail mix.

195 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:38:07am

re: #193 redc1c4

i keep forgetting to read that comic regularly...

I like the recent advice on slaying internet trolls.

196 Erik The Red  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:38:40am

re: #192 littleoldlady

No condiments!

{lol} Good Morning

197 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:38:48am

re: #192 littleoldlady

No condiments!

i still want to know how they got the cat to stay still for that...

198 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:39:17am

re: #192 littleoldlady

No condiments!

No condom mints?

199 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:39:37am

re: #192 littleoldlady

good morning, littleoldlady.

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:39:38am
201 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:41:40am

Erik! :-)

red! :-)

/duct tape, obviously.

gmsc! :-)

BatGuano! :-)

202 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:42:12am

re: #191 gmsc

...or dessert, as the case may be.

Sonuva...

When I try to spell right, I mess up. When I try to spell wrong, intentionally, I mess that up too.

I blame my keyboard. It was made by Haliburton.

203 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:43:18am

Pun intended:

A Russian couple was walking down the street in St. Petersburg the other night, when the man felt a drop hit his nose. "I think it's raining," he said to his wife.

"No, that felt more like snow to me," she replied. "No, I'm sure it was just rain, he said." Well, as these things go, they were about to have a major argument about whether it was raining or snowing. Just then they saw a minor communist party official walking toward them. "Let's not fight about it," the man said, "let's ask Comrade Rudolph whether it's officially raining or snowing."

As the official approached, the man said, "Tell us, Comrade Rudolph, is it officially raining or snowing?"

"It's raining, of course," he answered and walked on. But the woman insisted: "I know that felt like snow!" To which the man quietly replied: "Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear!"
___

204 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:43:19am

On the 2nd of June a couple of Republicans made idiots of themselves again, on the House floor, when discussing climate change. Truly idiots. Choreographed by Rep. Akins of MO. Here's part of the exchange:

Mr. AKIN. I appreciate your bringing that up, and I'd like to get into that just a little bit more as we move on this evening into that area, about the Democrat proposal, what it does to people's costs, average costs.

But we're also joined by a good friend of mine, Dr. FLEMING. And people that have a technical or scientific background are a little rare in the Chambers here. So to have actually a guy who's passed high school science is tremendously helpful. And Dr. FLEMING is from Louisiana. [...]

Geez... there are actual Republicans on Capitol Hill who have studied physics... why not ask them? ( As if Akins would care...)

Was going to link the actual Federal Register transcription (available via THOMAS) in the spin-offs, but I realize most people here don't really care how idiotic these politicians can be.

205 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:44:30am

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

Sonuva...

When I try to spell right, I mess up. When I try to spell wrong, intentionally, I mess that up too.

I blame my keyboard. It was made by Haliburton.

That's OK, Sporcle.com caused similar confusion recent by posting a desert quiz and a dessert quiz within a few hours of each other.

206 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:44:39am

Blood sugar must be low... I'm grumpy... where's my fruitcup?

207 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:45:35am

Okay, she whined about it and then disappeared?!

SHARMUTA! Wake up!

208 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:46:35am

re: #206 freetoken

Another country heard from...

freetoken! :-)

You know...YOU are better at fruitcup than I am.

/ahem!

209 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:46:57am

Here is more erudition from the good Rep. Akin:

Mr. AKIN. Just reclaiming my time, somehow or another, this whole thing strikes me, if it weren't so serious, as being a comedy. You know, we just went from winter to spring in Missouri. When we go from winter to spring, that's a good climate change. [...]

210 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:47:05am

re: #207 littleoldlady

I was eating chocolate.

211 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:48:23am

re: #210 Sharmuta

I'm jealous...

212 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:48:38am

re: #210 Sharmuta

Oh. Well. Understandable.

;-)

213 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:48:44am

re: #187 Panhandler

Why are there tiny blue bubbles obscuring my screen?

"Did you enjoy blowing bubbles when you were a kid?"

"Yes!"

"Well, Bubbles is back in town, and he wants your phone number . . . "
;)

214 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:48:56am

for those of you who Facebook, here's a great way to deal with all those pesky extra hours in the day... Chain Rxn

215 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:50:12am

ya know, it's never a good sign when the cop car howls by this late at night, on code 3, and crosses the division border to do so...

216 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:50:22am

re: #210 Sharmuta

I was eating chocolate.

"Did you enjoy eating chocolate when you were a kid?"

"Yes!" . . .

;)

217 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:51:07am

re: #215 redc1c4

ya know, it's never a good sign when the cop car howls by this late at night, on code 3, and crosses the division border to do so...

Where I live in Vegas, I get nervous if I don't hear a cop car siren this time of night.

218 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:52:12am

re: #217 gmsc

Where I live in Vegas, I get nervous if I don't hear a cop car siren this time of night.

That sounds like the neighborhood we lived in in Vegas...right near the base

219 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:53:52am

For freetoken- The Oreo Cookie Blues

220 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:53:52am

another place to while away your extra time: Shorpy's

221 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:53:56am

re: #218 srb1976

That sounds like the neighborhood we lived in in Vegas...right near the base

If you want to see what crimes have come up recently in the ol' neighborhood, check out Las Vegas Crime View Community. It'll tell you what happened, and where.

222 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:54:13am

re: #213 gmsc

Reminded me of that Paula Abdul song Blowing Kisses in the Wind waaay back in the day. My first thought was 'Who the hell is 'Kisses'?'

223 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:55:20am

re: #219 Sharmuta

For freetoken- The Oreo Cookie Blues

"I've got the 501 blues,
and I'm tellin' you,
I'm so fat I have to wear the 1 0 0 2's . . . "

224 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:56:04am

re: #212 littleoldlady
Hey there lol! How are you doing these days?

225 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:56:13am

speaking of the blues, now i'll never get to see The Queen

it's a sad day

226 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:57:02am

{realwest!} GOOD GOLLY! What are you doing up?!

227 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:57:09am

is the Queen of England still not invited to France for the D-Day memorial?

228 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:58:35am

re: #221 gmsc

If you want to see what crimes have come up recently in the ol' neighborhood, check out Las Vegas Crime View Community. It'll tell you what happened, and where.

Cool!

229 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:59:48am

red FRUITCUP!

230 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:59:53am

re: #227 redc1c4

is the Queen of England still not invited to France for the D-Day memorial?

Here's an editorial just posted a few minutes ago:

Snubbing the Queen

231 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

232 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:00:03am

re: #226 littleoldlady
MISS MOLLY! I just dropped in for a minute cause I was awoken by a bad dream - and cause it's hot and humid down here!
Whatcha doing up yourownself?

233 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:00:11am

Thank you littleoldlady!

234 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:00:11am

re: #229 redc1c4

*hic*

235 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:00:36am

re: #231 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you so kindly, {littleoldlady}.

236 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:00:37am

re: #229 redc1c4

red FRUITCUP!

LGF hamsters are about 7 seconds behind mine.

237 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:00:55am

re: #231 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yummy! It's good to be back!

238 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:01:04am

re: #232 realwest

Whatcha doing up yourownself?

You're joking, right?

;-)

239 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:01:59am

re: #231 littleoldlady


Fruitcup is on the buffet --->


My...My...My...

/Your budget is so busted...

240 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:03:08am

re: #238 littleoldlady
Moi? kidding? NEVER! Or hardly ever.
You know I'll bet it's a lot easier typing when the lights are on.

241 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:03:13am

re: #142 redc1c4

An adult approaching retirement who has lost 40K since Obama has been elected. No disconnect... It's Bush's fault. She's a school teacher, a union rep. and has served on City Council.

Her class room celebrated Obama Day, because it was "historic".

242 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:03:18am

You're all welcome!

/even the whiners (profit center)

;-)

243 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:03:51am

re: #241 kateca

An adult approaching retirement who has lost 40K since Obama has been elected. No disconnect... It's Bush's fault. She's a school teacher, a union rep. and has served on City Council.

Her class room celebrated Obama Day, because it was "historic".

Isn't that celebrated on Sept. 24th in Hawaii?

///

244 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:04:20am

re: #239 freetoken

I gots a plan! (#242)

245 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:04:50am

re: #240 realwest

How've you been, real? And mom?

246 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:06:35am

re: #146 gmsc

Word.

Thank you. I'm going to take your advice.

247 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:06:57am

re: #244 littleoldlady

I gots a plan! (#242)

You could always stretch the amount and not kill the budget with this recipe. It'll sate the sweet tooth and impart some needed carbs.

248 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:07:00am

Hey {littleoldlady}- y'all got any more fruit cup - we seem to have had an early RUN on your first offering (he says, casting dirty looks at gmsc and Freetoken)!

249 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:07:57am

re: #241 kateca

An adult approaching retirement who has lost 40K since Obama has been elected. No disconnect... It's Bush's fault. She's a school teacher, a union rep. and has served on City Council.

Her class room celebrated Obama Day, because it was "historic".

You want some real fun? Whenever anybody mentions 0bama's election being "historic", ask them what was so historic about it.

"Really? His skin color? I thought we were supposed to be colorblind . . ."

There are a million directions to take such a discussion.

250 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:08:05am

re: #241 kateca

An adult approaching retirement who has lost 40K since Obama has been elected. No disconnect... It's Bush's fault. She's a school teacher, a union rep. and has served on City Council.

Her class room celebrated Obama Day, because it was "historic".

well, we know why test scores are down but education costs are up.

better you than me.

251 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:08:34am

re: #248 realwest

Hey {littleoldlady}- y'all got any more fruit cup - we seem to have had an early RUN on your first offering (he says, casting dirty looks at gmsc and Freetoken)!

fruitcup causes the runs?

252 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:08:47am

re: #245 littleoldlady
Ah, we been doing ok, I guess - hope y'all are still hanging in there.

253 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:09:22am

re: #247 Panhandler

Panhandler! :-)

Where's the chocolate?!

254 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:10:41am

re: #253 littleoldlady

Panhandler! :-)

Where's the chocolate?!

Sharmie ate it all...

255 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:10:42am

re: #252 realwest

Things are...the same, you know. I see you're in charge of The Prayer List™ now.

/thankyewverymuch! :-)

256 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:10:55am

re: #251 redc1c4 Y'all didn't know that? After that HUGE amount you just scarfed down?

257 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:11:27am

re: #247 Panhandler

What the ---?! Really lol, it is a great recipe for fruit salad with pasta. Trust me on this.

258 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:12:45am

re: #256 realwest

Y'all didn't know that? After that HUGE amount you just scarfed down?

i just drink the liquid. %-)

259 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:13:21am

re: #257 Panhandler

What the ---?! Really lol, it is a great recipe for fruit salad with pasta. Trust me on this.

that won;t w*rk: she *knows* what "trust me" means...

260 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:13:33am

re: #255 littleoldlady
I am the Keeper of the List - which you are on dear; do y'all want me to add. delete or change anything (he says hopfully)?

261 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:14:44am

re: #257 Panhandler

Well, if you MUST add pasta

262 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:15:06am

re: #151 captwfcall

I heard it mentioned in some dark corner, that what if people on the dole could not vote?

263 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:16:01am

re: #259 redc1c4

Yeah, because I'm...you know...OLD.

264 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:16:30am

re: #260 realwest

"Delete" is not going to happen, unfortunately. :-(

265 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:17:01am

For littleoldlady:

266 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:17:25am

re: #254 redc1c4

Sharmie ate it all...

*burp*

267 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:18:28am

re: #265 Sharmuta

Better! :-)

/too early in the morning for the Beach Boys ;-)

268 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:19:38am

re: #261 littleoldlady

Well, if you MUST add pasta

Hey, carbs is carbs.

269 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:20:06am

re: #244 littleoldlady

Good plan... should be able to raise enough $$$ to even add valet service if we could charge all those dramatic exit queens that pop up daily on some of the choicer LGF threads.

270 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:20:41am

re: #268 Panhandler

Kiwi!

/you should come around more often

;-)

271 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:20:47am

re: #263 littleoldlady

Yeah, because I'm...you know...OLD.

The Beach Boys will keep you young. After watching that, I a 9 years old again.

272 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:21:34am

re: #269 freetoken

I'm gonna be rich!

;-)

273 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:21:52am

re: #269 freetoken

Good plan... should be able to raise enough $$$ to even add valet service if we could charge all those dramatic exit queens that pop up daily on some of the choicer LGF threads.

"5 dollars if you whine, 10 dollars if you flounce"

274 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:21:53am

re: #264 littleoldlady
I don't know whether to be happy or sad, but I think I'm mostly sad. If y'all want to, please e-mail sweetie!
Well y'all I gotta go back and wrestle with my dreams a little. I hope y'all have some fun out here - and that my dear {littleoldlady} finds some more fruitcup for y'all, seein's how just a few of you scarfed most of it down!
And of course I hope to get the chance to see y'all down the road.

275 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:23:03am

re: #268 Panhandler

Hey, carbs is carbs.

no... Holley is carbs!

276 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:23:36am

Feet
by Scoutmaster Alan

"You need feet to stand up straight with.
You need feet to kick your friends.
You need feet to keep your socks on,
And stop your legs from fraying at the ends.

"You need feet to stand on tippy-toe,
or to dance the hootchie-coo.
Yes, the whole world needs feet for something,
and I need feet to run away from you!"

...and I won't be able to run if I get much more tired.

Good night, all!

277 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:24:08am

re: #156 redc1c4

family or not, i'd cut off contact with them... let'em whistle.

I bet you wouldn't if it was was your sis:>

278 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:24:38am

re: #274 realwest

I'll email soon!

/meanwhile, don't let the nightmares bedbugs bite! ;-)

'Night, realwest!

279 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:24:41am

re: #275 redc1c4

no... Holley is carbs!

Great, more input from the suck-squeeze-burn-blow contingent.

280 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:25:36am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

There is order in the world, now that you are back! :-)

281 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:25:36am

re: #278 littleoldlady
goodnight, dear, sweet {littleoldlady}!

282 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:26:49am

re: #161 captwfcall

just watched tonight's Conan ep. can't believe how Julia Dreyfus was foaming at the mouth over seeing the First Lady. I felt embarassed for her.

Who's Julia Dryfus?

283 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:27:00am

re: #275 redc1c4

no... Holley is carbs!

I've tuned so many Holley's, I hate fuel injection.

284 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:27:13am

Goodnight, gmsc

285 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:27:30am

re: #274 realwest

I don't know whether to be happy or sad, but I think I'm mostly sad. If y'all want to, please e-mail sweetie!
Well y'all I gotta go back and wrestle with my dreams a little. I hope y'all have some fun out here - and that my dear {littleoldlady} finds some more fruitcup for y'all, seein's how just a few of you scarfed most of it down!
And of course I hope to get the chance to see y'all down the road.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused...

286 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:27:40am

re: #275 redc1c4

no... Holley is carbs!

Also depends on your choice of transportation.

287 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:28:45am

re: #282 kateca

Elaine Benes, Seinfeld

288 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:29:11am

re: #277 kateca

I bet you wouldn't if it was was your sis:>

don't be so sure... i barely talk to my parents, and we live in the same city. i talk to my brother maybe once or twice a year, if that much, and the rest of the family, hardly at all.

289 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:30:03am

re: #286 Panhandler

Also depends on your choice of transportation.

i don't ride donorcycles...

290 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:32:44am

and now that it's after 0230, i really need to cop some z's...

291 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:33:01am

re: #174 Erik The Red

I am in for a BIG SURPRISE when I get off the plane in Orlando. The humidity is going kill me.

Think of humidity as moist air, lubricating your lungs.

292 Panhandler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:34:21am

re: #289 redc1c4

i don't ride donorcycles...

The rush of the wind, the close communion with nature, the admiring glances from the girls, the smug feeling that you're going faster on much less fuel, the ease of finding a place to park, the rush of adrenalin as you realize the idiot in the SUV IS going to turn left ---

293 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:35:43am

'Night, red! :-)

They're dropping like flies!

/I sure hope realwest went to bed
//that was unhelpful!

;-)

294 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:38:06am

So how far along is the sale of GM's Hummer division to China's Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Machinery co?

Maybe the Chinese are near a breakthrough on how to fuel vehicles like the hummer with lead toys and tainted milk.

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:45:09am

Time for me to headbutt a pillow. Later Lizards.

To sleep, perchance to dream... or something like that.

296 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:45:57am

re: #294 Fenway_Nation

So how far along is the sale of GM's Hummer division to China's Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Machinery co?

Maybe the Chinese are near a breakthrough on how to fuel vehicles like the hummer with lead toys and tainted milk.


Ouch! Nice Shot = )

297 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:46:47am

'Night, Slumbering! :-)

298 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:47:24am

Uh-oh...is Hussein Dolt addressing the Muslim world yet?

I'm on a self-imposed media blackout, but I think the seas are already beginning to lower now that the annointed one will be speaking.

/Oh wait...those are just the tides.

299 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:47:56am

re: #288 redc1c4

don't be so sure... i barely talk to my parents, and we live in the same city. i talk to my brother maybe once or twice a year, if that much, and the rest of the family, hardly at all.

That's not so good but may be required, I don't know. I was astranged from my sister for many years. I'm glad to have her back, no matter what.

Mind you, I'm sending her this thread...can't call her a flaming lib-tard without mentioning how much I love her.

:)

300 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:48:16am

re: #295 Slumbering Behemoth

Way to live up to (part of) your name!

G'nite Slumbering!

301 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:49:36am

re: #296 srb1976

Thanks...came up with that on my own, believe it or not.

302 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:53:16am

re: #298 Fenway_Nation

Watching Obama speechify his usual moosecaca is hard enough on my blood pressure. I'm absolutely positive that having to witness an American president sell out Israel on international TV would put me in the hospital.

303 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:53:28am

1 Hour to quittin' time...and it's my friday! Yay! me = )

304 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:56:53am

Good News: I won't be watching Obama's slobbering over the Muslim world.

Bad News: I'm knee deep in academic bullshit.

...then again, I guess bullshit would be bullshit regardless of the source.

305 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:57:02am

re: #303 srb1976

Happy Friday!

306 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 2:58:45am

re: #287 BatGuano

Elaine Benes, Seinfeld

Thank you.

307 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:00:03am

re: #306 kateca

You're welcome.

308 srb1976  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:00:57am

re: #305 BatGuano

Thank you!...Been a long night but a short week = )

309 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:01:55am

re: #302 littleoldlady

Watching Obama speechify his usual moosecaca is hard enough on my blood pressure. I'm absolutely positive that having to witness an American president sell out Israel on international TV would put me in the hospital.

/don't worry he has no muslim sympathies.

310 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:03:18am

Speech time!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

311 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:04:10am

re: #309 BatGuano

"Don't worry" = "Trust me", right?

/where did I put that Beach Boys song...?

312 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:05:38am

re: #308 srb1976

Thank you!...Been a long night but a short week = )

Enjoy your weekend with your lovely family (I know you will). :)

313 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:07:25am

So, are we live blogging the speech?

314 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:07:29am

re: #310 freetoken

I'll be back later...

/pre-medicated, I hope!

...and you can tell me how bad it was. :-(

Meanwhile, my quest for a lost piece of paper continues...

bbl, guyz.

315 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:08:06am

Diplomat: U.S. Won't Reward N. Korea's Bad Behavior Again

The Great Popcorn Embargo is now set for the third Tuesday -between noon & four- of each month - if that doesn't get their attention, nothing will.

Morning folks.

316 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:08:38am

re: #302 littleoldlady

Sounds like I should have put some chamomile and lavender in the fruitcup for you :-(

317 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:09:20am

re: #310 freetoken

Speech time!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Is the youtube channel supposed to be a blue screen?

318 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:09:54am

There! It's doing something

319 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:10:16am

They are clapping

320 callahan23  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:10:19am

re: #310 freetoken

Oh noes the long dreaded moment. I don't know if I've got the stomach.

321 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:10:32am

He's stepped out

322 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:11:39am

I already have to shut this shit off.

323 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:12:06am

He said something in arabic...

324 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:12:30am

re: #322 TheMatrix31

Definitely should have put chamomile in the fruitcup...

325 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:12:42am

I can do without the President of the United States saying "Asalam Aleikom"

326 callahan23  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:12:43am

re: #323 Sharmuta

He said something in arabic...

Salam aleikum
:-(

327 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:15:09am

Red is not his color... the curtains in the background - yeech...

328 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:15:24am

He said we share things in common with islam, such a justice and tolerance.

Uh...

329 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:15:58am

Justice and tolerance? Don't know about that.

330 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:16:00am

His tie is clashing with the curtains...

Yes, he just quoted the "holy Koran"

331 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:16:00am

If you can accept this pos as President, then:

God save Isreal.

332 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:16:58am

"I'm a Christian"

How many seconds before the usual bloggers take issue with that?

333 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:17:19am

Oh cool, now you acknowledge your roots?

334 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:17:46am

The translators and applause are off. The sudden applause caught him off guard.

335 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:17:50am

re: #333 TheMatrix31

Oh cool, now you acknowledge your roots?

Yeah, how about that?

336 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:18:26am

re: #332 freetoken

"I'm a Christian"

How many seconds before the usual bloggers take issue with that?

I take issue with it. I don't know if I buy it. Like I said last night, everything about him strikes me as an atheist.

337 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:18:27am

"Racial equality"?

Maybe in some cases...

338 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:19:01am

He said the first country to recognize America was Morocco. I thought it was the Netherlands.

339 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:19:22am

re: #336 TheMatrix31

Maybe I should have used a little "c" (as in "christian")?

340 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:19:50am

re: #334 Sharmuta

The translators and applause are off. The sudden applause caught him off guard.

Don't tell me the teleprompter is jet-lagged.

341 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:21:33am

He said his full name.

342 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:21:54am

So now he can say his middle name. I feel better now./

343 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:21:58am

I don't think Obama is going over so well.

344 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:22:29am

"7,000,000"?

I think he is taking the high end of the estimate (2.3%).

345 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:22:32am

You're trying to break that promise by trying to punish people's success, Barack.

346 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:23:04am

America has fought for women to wear hijab?

347 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:23:09am

Goodnight all.

348 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:23:15am

re: #343 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Egyptian crowd - tough?

Those cheering I bet are the university community (students, teachers) of the host.

349 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:23:38am

He said hajib, not hijab.

LOL.

350 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:24:26am

He actually mentioned Darfur.

351 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:24:31am

re: #349 TheMatrix31

He said hajib, not hijab.

LOL.

True.

352 callahan23  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:25:08am

re: #349 TheMatrix31

He said hajib, not hijab.

LOL.

Here is what it means

A hajib from Arabic was a government official in Al-Andalus (Spain) and Egypt.
353 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:25:40am

Tough crowd.

Might as well be working Hoboken.

354 Hengineer  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:26:02am

re: #338 Sharmuta

He said the first country to recognize America was Morocco. I thought it was the Netherlands.

The first "Country" to give us cause to fight were the Barbary Pirates.

Any guess as to what religion they claimed was the entire reason they were allowed to attack us?

355 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:26:24am

re: #309 BatGuano

/don't worry he has no muslim sympathies.

Well that's a relief. I thought for a minute that he said we weren't a Christian nation. You can't always believe your lying ears.

I do NOT believe that he bowed to King Abdullah for any other reason than a height differential.

356 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:26:37am

re: #328 Sharmuta

He said we share things in common with islam, such a justice and tolerance.

Uh...

Shar ... is he talking now? ... just got up and don't tv on ... is the speech now?

357 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:26:39am
Not only are we going to Cairo, we're going to Damascus and Beirut and Caracas and Kabul and Havana, and we're going to Harare and Riyadh and Tehran ... And we're going to Baghdad and then Beijing and Yemen, and then we're going all the way to Pyongyang! YAAARGH!

OK...who brought along Howard Dean?

358 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:27:08am

Okay, now to the meat of the matter. Violent extremists.

359 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:27:19am

re: #352 callahan23

Yeah, I pumped it into Wiki immediately to clarify, lol.

360 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:27:20am

re: #354 Hengineer

The first "Country" to give us cause to fight were the Barbary Pirates.

Any guess as to what religion they claimed was the entire reason they were allowed to attack us?

I learned the first country to recognize the United states was The Netherlands.

361 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:27:35am

Talking 9/11

362 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:28:14am

Addressing Afghanistan before the Israeli/Palistinian issue. Interesting strategic decision.

Tough crowd - my basic takeaway.

363 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:28:18am

Tolly-bon.

I have to say, I'm liking what he's saying in the last minute or two about necessity.

364 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:29:12am

Somebody tell me ... is he giving the speech now ... and are the Muslim Brotherhood there? ...

365 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:29:15am

Very quiet there. He is taking on the tough stuff.

366 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:29:36am

re: #364 JacksonTn

Somebody tell me ... is he giving the speech now ... and are the Muslim Brotherhood there? ...

He is talking now.

367 callahan23  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:29:43am

He seems to give them a washing of the head.
The soaps name facts.

368 Hengineer  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:30:38am

re: #360 Sharmuta

I learned the first country to recognize the United states was The Netherlands.

Cool, I was referring to Jefferson's little overseas war (which many in America didn't agree with!) with the Barbary Pirates, who kept attacking American Shipping and the Brits said "Hey they don't want to be our colonies, we won't protect them with our tribute monies to the Barbary Pirate States".

Turns out we sent our Navy over there and kicked their motha f*ckin ass.

You can hear it remembered today in the Marine Corps hymn "..To the Shores of Tripoli.."


Point of note, an ambassador from the Barbary States was quoted as saying that they had the right to plunder any European ship they wanted because they were all infidels.

369 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:30:39am

re: #365 VioletTiger

It's all "tough stuff", in that part of the world.

370 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:30:39am

re: #366 VioletTiger

He is talking now.

Violet ... thanks ... cannot watch ... will read transcript ...

371 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:30:55am

I wanna see! I wanna see!

/I can't look!

I wanna see! I wanna see!

/I can't look!

//this could take awhile

372 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:31:41am

Wow...there's a first! He actually said something I can approve! its about time he stood up for us instead of "them". dont think it will last, tho

373 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:32:15am

Oh yeah, cuz diplomacy and international consensus worked in the case of Iraq?

374 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:32:32am

re: #371 Fenway_Nation

Maybe I should have thrown in some ...hemp... into the fruitcup?

375 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:32:59am

Iraq. Sounds a little more apologetic here. He never believed in the Iraq war.
Great, just tell them when the bad guys can set up camp again.

376 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:33:00am

Quite a few sources cite Morocco, but the Dutch in St. Eustatius recognized us on November 16, 1776.

377 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:34:07am

Out of Iraq, closin' Gitmo... it's not going to help.

378 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:34:18am

Tough crowd. They didn't seem to know what to do with the 9/11 + Afghanistan stuff. Did cheer the Gitmo stuff.

379 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:34:34am

Prison closed by early next year, terrorists back in camps within weeks.

380 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:34:56am

Our bond with Israel is unbreakable...

381 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:34:57am

Morning Lizards.

382 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:35:13am

re: #378 freetoken

Tough crowd. They didn't seem to know what to do with the 9/11 + Afghanistan stuff. Did cheer the Gitmo stuff.

FT ... there is cheering? ... oh man ...

383 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:35:34am

He's taking on the holocaust deniers ... crowd response?

384 kateca  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:35:40am

re: #363 TheMatrix31

Tolly-bon.

I have to say, I'm liking what he's saying in the last minute or two about necessity.

tolly-bon and pauk-i-ston. What's up with that?

385 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:36:11am

Wow- confronting Holocaust denial.

386 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:36:19am

re: #383 freetoken

He's taking on the holocaust deniers ... crowd response?

None.

387 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:37:09am

re: #379 TheMatrix31

Well wouldn't you want some murder-happy jihadi from Waziristan with an assload of bomb making equipment in a combat zone afforded the same rights and protection under the US Contitution as any motorist pulled over for a broken tail light?

388 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:38:04am

hamas doesn't want peace.

389 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:38:07am

Guesses on the "Arab street" reaction?

390 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:38:14am

re: #387 Fenway_Nation

Well wouldn't you want some murder-happy jihadi from Waziristan with an assload of bomb making equipment in a combat zone afforded the same rights and protection under the US Contitution as any motorist pulled over for a broken tail light?

You make a good point, maybe it's something to consider!

391 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:38:34am

fatah doesn't want peace.

392 Hengineer  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:39:11am

re: #387 Fenway_Nation

Well wouldn't you want some murder-happy jihadi from Waziristan with an assload of bomb making equipment in a combat zone afforded the same rights and protection under the US Contitution as any motorist pulled over for a broken tail light?

But they have civil liberties that must be protected!

/ACLU and Amnesty mode off.

393 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:39:25am

Tough, tough crowd.

394 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:39:58am

Would be nice if instead of "Palestinian violence", he named the actors involved specifically. Still surprising nonetheless to hear him say.

395 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:40:19am

re: #389 freetoken

Guesses on the "Arab street" reaction?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess there is seething.

396 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:40:37am

If the Palis would stop lobbing bombs they could pursue prosperity.

397 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:40:49am

re: #389 freetoken

Knowing the Arab street like I do, the reaction would probably be along the lines of "I can't believe the Zionists made their house negro talk about the so-called Holocaust".

398 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:40:56am

Should have added a few more "tough"s to my statement about the crowd. Peoria would be easier...

399 Hengineer  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:41:43am

re: #393 freetoken

Tough, tough crowd.

They didn't take their Hopenchange&trade pill today?

400 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:42:14am

re: #398 freetoken

Caterpillar's still waiting on those jobs he promised.

401 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:43:34am

God intended peace?

402 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:44:00am

I don't like what he said there. It is not Israels fault that the Palis keep lobbying bombs at them. Gaza could be a beautiful place if they work on their lives rather than destroying other lives.

403 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:44:17am

"PBUH"

Oh... that will get the bloggers going...

404 Hengineer  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:44:28am

Almost time for the Practice approaches and connections with the USS George H.W. Bush.

which means almost time for me to get off this comp.

405 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:44:52am

re: #404 Hengineer

gotta love the RAS

406 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:44:53am

Iran...

407 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:45:32am

The mullahs don't respect us.

408 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:45:45am

Well...hate to leave in the middle of all this hope-n-change overcoming generations of seething, but I should get me some rest...

409 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:45:54am

nuclear weapons in iran...

410 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:46:24am

re: #408 Fenway_Nation

Well...hate to leave in the middle of all this hope-n-change overcoming generations of seething, but I should get me some rest...

FN ... rest well ... see ya later ...

411 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:46:26am

no preconditions with Iran? back to that again...Moving forward with them in mutual respect?!

yeah right

412 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:46:29am

Crowd response--applause-- "no nations shoudl hold nuclear weapons..."

413 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:47:08am

Nuclear weapons are a great source of tension, but has this guy ever heard of MAD?

414 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:47:11am

"Democracy" get a little sampling of applause.

415 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:47:27am

re: #412 iceweasel

Crowd response--applause-- "no nations shoudl hold nuclear weapons..."

IW ... did he say that? ... does that mean we have to give up ours? ... no way ...

416 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:48:36am

Government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people? When can we get that?

417 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:48:58am

Good Morning LGF
Obama speaking very well.
It is his forte.

418 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:49:54am

is he talking about chavez or castro?

419 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:13am

A spirit of tolerance and compromise... doesn't mix well with islam.

420 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:17am

Someone should buy Obama a case of Just For Men.

421 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:19am

he re: #415 JacksonTn

IW ... did he say that? ... does that mean we have to give up ours? ... no way ...

He did say that as a goal we should work towards, --

422 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:26am

Here's my belief...

Many in that region will complain that President Obama was merely lecturing them.

Outside the region, many will hail this speech as one in which he took on difficult subjects.

423 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:30am

Uh-oh. Religious freedom.

424 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:45am

Oh Lord! Dont interrupt the TOPOTUS

425 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:46am

It means Israel should give up their nuclear weapons. The crowd knows the code words he is using.

426 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:54am

re: #422 freetoken

Here's my belief...

Many in that region will complain that President Obama was merely lecturing them.

Outside the region, many will hail this speech as one in which he took on difficult subjects.

I think you're right.

427 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:50:59am

re: #421 iceweasel

he

He did say that as a goal we should work towards, --

IW ... ain't gonna happen ...

428 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:52:18am

Does Islam really have religious tolerance? I have never had that impression.

429 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:52:43am

This may not be a popular point, here by some, in certain blogging corners by many, but...

Frankly, Obama's major points, the ideas of this speech, aren't that different than GWB's. Outside of Iraq-as-an-optional-war point, I could see where the locals might complain that Obama is just GWB (but able to speak a few Arabic words.)

430 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:53:09am

re: #427 JacksonTn

IW ... ain't gonna happen ...

Agreed!

he was saying that iran shouldnt have access to a nuclear bomb but that it should have access to nuclear energy a(s a power source) and that the world as a whole should work towards getting rid of all nuclear weapons...

431 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:53:36am

Women's rights...

432 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:53:49am

Is anyone counting the "let me be clear" statements?

433 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:54:00am

re: #430 iceweasel

Agreed!

he was saying that iran shouldnt have access to a nuclear bomb but that it should have access to nuclear energy a(s a power source) and that the world as a whole should work towards getting rid of all nuclear weapons...

IW ... let them have windmills ... they got all the friggin oil they need ... they are not fooling anyone ...

434 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:54:16am

Wow...he really is taking on the tough stuff. Women's rights.

435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:54:41am

Hi guys! Does anybody know the company that I work for?

436 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:54:46am

re: #422 freetoken

Here's my belief...

Many in that region will complain that President Obama was merely lecturing them.

Outside the region, many will hail this speech as one in which he took on difficult subjects.

You're definitely right.

Wait for the transcript though-- he's making some bold statements---

he just flat out condemned countries that don't educate women, for example

437 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:55:09am

re: #429 freetoken

This may not be a popular point, here by some, in certain blogging corners by many, but...

Frankly, Obama's major points, the ideas of this speech, aren't that different than GWB's. Outside of Iraq-as-an-optional-war point, I could see where the locals might complain that Obama is just GWB (but able to speak a few Arabic words.)

Yeah, pretty much. But no one President is ACTUALLY going to go balls-to-the-wall and say something really specific or contrary to someone else. It's all a standard BS scripted-type thing.

438 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:55:17am

re: #435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hi guys! Does anybody know the company that I work for?

Take a look at the name on the door. ;)

439 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:55:19am

re: #435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hi guys! Does anybody know the company that I work for?

FBV ... um ... no why? ...

440 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:55:31am

re: #429 freetoken

This may not be a popular point, here by some, in certain blogging corners by many, but...

Frankly, Obama's major points, the ideas of this speech, aren't that different than GWB's. Outside of Iraq-as-an-optional-war point, I could see where the locals might complain that Obama is just GWB (but able to speak a few Arabic words.)

Yes, and he can speak better English too!

441 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:55:38am

oh great...American is worse with womens rights?! what is wrong with him? He just cant give his own country credit when he should, can he!

442 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:55:45am

re: #434 VioletTiger

Wow...he really is taking on the tough stuff. Women's rights.

Seriously. This is major.

443 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:55:46am

Promoting women' literacy.

444 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:56:16am

re: #430 iceweasel

Morning iceweasel, It would be really nice if we could build nuclear power plants, but I don't see it happening in the rest of my life span.

445 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:56:27am

re: #441 Beach Lover

oh great...American is worse with womens rights?! what is wrong with him? He just cant give his own country credit when he should, can he!

BL ... tell me he did not say that ...

446 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:56:40am

re: #443 Sharmuta

Promoting women' literacy.

Outright condemnation of places that won't educate women. Wow.

447 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:57:21am

re: #445 JacksonTn

BL ... tell me he did not say that ...

He didn't say that. --

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:57:54am

New media policy (including blogs), if people know for whom I work, I can no longer use the seven words you can't say on television... etc.

That kind of stuff. If y'all don't know where I work? That would be fuckin' cool.

449 little blessing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:58:09am

re: #446 iceweasel

I can see fists remaining clenched.

450 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:58:34am

Great- even more student visas.

451 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:58:37am

re: #444 1SG(ret)
He criticized others, but had to follow with ...there are still gains to made in american...blah, blah, blah. He just cant be proud of our country unless he is talking about himself!

452 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:58:58am

Morning all. If he asks the Saudis to open a synagogue in Riyadh, I'll be impressed.

453 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:59:15am

That red curtain... it is just sooo... yuck. Definitely should have worn a dark, dark cyan tie, the light blue is clashing big time.

454 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:59:17am

re: #449 little blessing

I can see fists remaining clenched.

Most definitely!

455 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:59:20am

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

New media policy (including blogs), if people know for whom I work, I can no longer use the seven words you can't say on television... etc.

That kind of stuff. If y'all don't know where I work? That would be fuckin' cool.

FBV ... cuss away ... as far as I know you don't even have a job ... you go boy ...

456 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:59:43am

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

New media policy (including blogs), if people know for whom I work, I can no longer use the seven words you can't say on television... etc.

That kind of stuff. If y'all don't know where I work? That would be fuckin' cool.


FBV, bad news.We know where you work.

457 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 3:59:55am

WTF is he doing spending our money to promote all this shit over there? What about our needs?!

458 little blessing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:00:18am

re: #452 Jim in Virginia

Morning all. If he asks the Saudis to open a synagogue in Riyadh, I'll be impressed.


I'll be impressed if they let Jews come and worship freely in said synagogue.

459 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:00:48am

re: #457 Sharmuta

WTF is he doing spending our money to promote all this shit over there? What about our needs?!

Shar ... we are all one now ... you didn't get the memo ...

460 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:00:57am

re: #457 Sharmuta

WTF is he doing spending our money to promote all this shit over there? What about our needs?!

For real. What's with that?

461 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:01:19am

He's seeking utopia. Good luck to him.

462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:01:41am

re: #456 Jim in Virginia

Well that settles it. Thanks.

463 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:01:49am

re: #460 VioletTiger

For real. What's with that?

It is read by them as tribute.

464 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:02:05am

re: #461 Sharmuta

He's seeking utopia. Good luck to him.

only if he can be the leader of it in the end...king of Utopia

465 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:02:23am

The youts are going to remake the world!

466 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:02:41am

Was he saying that we must find a way to help the Muslim's raise money in the US? I don't think the raising money is a problem, it's who gets it, and what it's used for that is my concern.

467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:03:03am

Not just cussin'. But, it's cool.

Sharmuta? The policy says nothing about gestures.

[finger].

468 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:03:09am

re: #464 Beach Lover

only if he can be the leader of it in the end...king of Utopia

BL ... and unto them a son was ... oh, wait ...

469 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:03:26am

The Golden Rule.

470 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:03:34am

Heh, "focus on the future of your children"...

...a broke, penniless, futile future?!

471 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:03:54am

It's just not workable... with his ebony skin, that dark and saturated of red can't combine with a tie color that will work with his skin. Should have gone with the deep black suit (ultra navy blue) with the intense yellow tie.

472 little blessing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:04:01am

re: #470 TheMatrix31

473 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:04:09am

"there is one rule that lies in the heart of every religion--that we should do unto others as we'd have them do unto us"--applause

474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:04:10am

Has he said anything about "please stop trying to blow our stuff up"?

475 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:04:33am

re: #471 freetoken

plus he looks like he needs a shave

476 little blessing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:02am

re: #472 little blessing

whoops!

477 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:07am

Christian or Muslim or Jew? Why not say Jewish? His diction is weird.

478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:08am

Where are we watching him speak?

479 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:10am

re: #467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Are you at work?
Are you at home but on a work computer?
If so- bad FBV!
Misuse of company equipment.

480 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:22am

"the talmud tells us that the whole of torah is for the purpose of promoting peace. The holy bible tells us blessed are the peacemakers, for they are the sons of god"--applause

481 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:44am

re: #457 Sharmuta

I will give him one thing. He is the Best President I've ever heard/read about when it comes to spending The American peoples money!

482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:50am

re: #479 Jim in Virginia

Home. Personal computer. Not at work.

483 little blessing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:51am

re: #480 iceweasel

What does the Koran tell us?

/Hey just askin'

484 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:05:58am

Holy shit, ended up with a statement saying all of us need to work for peace--massive applause

485 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:06:19am

re: #478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I put links upstairs.

It's over now. Ought to be available on the official youtube channel.

486 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:06:27am

re: #478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He's on the TV, silly.

487 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:06:35am

I agree with freetoken. They will think he lectured them, yet the rest of the world will think he took a brave stand (never mind Bush was sasying about the same sorts of things).

Not happy about increased student visas.

488 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:06:36am

HUGE applause and my audio just cut out, they were chanting "Obama, Obama"

489 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:06:42am

re: #473 iceweasel

"there is one rule that lies in the heart of every religion--that we should do unto others as we'd have them do unto us"--applause

That is not phrased in the equivelant way in the Koran. For Christians, Jews, and Buddhists yes but it is not the same in Islam.

490 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:06:58am

He gets a pretty decent grade from me, then again, that's not particularly saying much.

491 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:07:07am

this could be a speech from Bush, but he can pull it off with the MSM and they will love it. problem to me is he is "our president" and I wish he cared as much about our country and running it rather than running the world.

492 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:07:26am

Crowd shots now. Mostly old guys.

493 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:07:29am

The speech just ended with a huge cheer applause and chants of Obama, Obama--

494 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:07:50am

re: #487 Sharmuta

I agree with freetoken. They will think he lectured them, yet the rest of the world will think he took a brave stand (never mind Bush was sasying about the same sorts of things).

Not happy about increased student visas.

No. Isn't that how the 9/11 guys got here?

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:08:07am

re: #477 lifeofthemind

I have a hard time with that one. Funny, as a Gentile, every time I type the word "Jew" I get afraid that I am not using the term correctly.

"He's a Jew" sounds less kind (to me) than "He's Jewish". What do Jewish people prefer?

496 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:08:57am

re: #495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a hard time with that one. Funny, as a Gentile, every time I type the word "Jew" I get afraid that I am not using the term correctly.

"He's a Jew" sounds less kind (to me) than "He's Jewish". What do Jewish people prefer?

FBV ... I do the same thing ... I always wonder if I am typing the right thing ...

497 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:09:15am

Actually, when I think of it, I just liked what he said about 9/11, necessity, and women's rights.

498 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:09:29am

Well, does he now qualify as the Antichrist? Or is that the False Prophet...

/I get them confused.

499 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:09:32am

re: #489 lifeofthemind

That is not phrased in the equivelant way in the Koran. For Christians, Jews, and Buddhists yes but it is not the same in Islam.

I'm just quoting what he said and recording the fact that there was applause...maybe this live audience was carefully screened for people who would be likely to applaud...i dunno

500 little blessing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:10:02am

re: #496 JacksonTn

FBV ... I do the same thing ... I always wonder if I am typing the right thing ...

Perhaps its because the word Jew actually has another connotation.

501 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:10:59am

re: #495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a hard time with that one. Funny, as a Gentile, every time I type the word "Jew" I get afraid that I am not using the term correctly.

"He's a Jew" sounds less kind (to me) than "He's Jewish". What do Jewish people prefer?

If he said "a Christian or a Muslim" and then said "a Jew" that would be fine but if you are talking about the collective and not the individual then it is the "Jewish religion" or say "in Judaism" not "the Jew religion."

502 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:11:16am

anyone know how the audience was selected? im wondering about the applause...

503 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:11:21am

re: #495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a hard time with that one. Funny, as a Gentile, every time I type the word "Jew" I get afraid that I am not using the term correctly.

"He's a Jew" sounds less kind (to me) than "He's Jewish". What do Jewish people prefer?

LOL, in my "Israeli Identity" and "Third Reich And The Jews" class, I struggled with that very thing in my papers and tests.

504 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:12:50am

The Messiah has spoken: "Let it be said--Now it must be done"


I wonder what the Iraqi Gov thought about the optional war comment. Does that mean he would have been fine with the old Gov, but now that there is a new one he will just have to deal with it. That comment could be taken in so many ways!

505 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:13:08am

He is still doing what he does best - campaigning for President of the World.

506 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:13:24am

Comments on this speech, hot from the Fox forum:

Carolyn says:
June 4, 2009 at 6:57 am
My comment speaks more to a portion of what I have heard from Obama this morning. First, Mr. Obama should not speak of the “atrocities against innocents” abroad when he is willing to support and contribute to – with his policies – the atrocities against innocents in this country. Every time an unborn baby is murdered by a doctor or any other person (I do not refer to medically necessary procedures to save a woman’s life), an atrocity against an innocent has been committed. Laws that allow a woman to murder her unborn child for whatever reason she chooses (again, … same reference as above), should not exist in America. [...]

And then people complain about Charles having abortion topic keyposts...

507 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:14:00am

I think there was a big brouhaha some time ago about Jew vs. Jewish. There were people who actually took offense from the phrase, "She's a Jew." and insisted that the "better" way was to say "She's Jewish".

Me, I don't care, so long as you don't *spit* when you say..."Oh, littleoldlady? She's a Jew!".

;-)

/I was born a Jew AND I'm Jewish!

508 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:15:14am

re: #457 Sharmuta

WTF is he doing spending our money to promote all this shit over there? What about our needs?!

It's all part of his "spread the wealth" plan.

What he means is take what is yours away from you and make it theirs.

509 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:15:58am

re: #504 1SG(ret)

That comment could be taken in so many ways!

as with most of his speeches...everyone hears what they want while he usually says nothing specific. It is a true art...course, someone actually wrote what he just "read".

510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:16:14am

re: #507 littleoldlady

Wait! You're Jewish?

511 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:16:58am

Well I was revolted by Obama's speech

512 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:17:00am

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! You're Jewish?

Yup! I'm a Jew!

/and I know where you work, too...

513 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:17:11am

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait! You're Jewish?

Funny her avatar doesn't look Jewish.

514 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:17:15am

re: #507 littleoldlady Even if there I spit when they say it I try to refuse to give it credence. Oft times that's all the race baiters are looking for is to get a rise. you will never change teh intention of the word or the hate behind it. If someone wants to judge me by my background that's their choice and it becomes my choice to have nothing to do with that kind of person.

515 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:19:25am

re: #514 Rustler

I think it is easier to say than type. When you type a word, nuances are hidden away in the mind of the person typing the word.

516 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:19:29am

re: #507 littleoldlady

I think there was a big brouhaha some time ago about Jew vs. Jewish. There were people who actually took offense from the phrase, "She's a Jew." and insisted that the "better" way was to say "She's Jewish".

Me, I don't care, so long as you don't *spit* when you say..."Oh, littleoldlady? She's a Jew!".

;-)

/I was born a Jew AND I'm Jewish!

During the 1800's the word "Jew" was considered vulgar so refined persons of the Mosaic persuasion referred to themselves as "Israelites."

517 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:21:14am

Look for the market to open on the upside this morning.

By the way, when the Messiah was waxing poetic about how African-Americans received freedom and civil right through peaceful insistence on rights, I think he missed a little event called the Civil War.

I have a whole bunch of ancestors who made the ultimate sacrifice on the Union side of that little fracas.

518 JustMyView  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:21:36am

re: #504 1SG(ret)

The Messiah has spoken: "Let it be said--Now it must be done"

I wonder what the Iraqi Gov thought about the optional war comment. Does that mean he would have been fine with the old Gov, but now that there is a new one he will just have to deal with it. That comment could be taken in so many ways!

He said he believed the people of Iraq were better off w/o Saddam in power.

519 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:21:49am

Time to get ready for work...will ponder the speech. Not sure what I think yet. I am glad he touched on the topics he did, but he didn't go far enough in some spots. Didn't like the Iraq apology, glad he brought up women's rights, but he could have hit harder there. Lots to think about. Later Lizards.

520 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:22:12am

I have not read the speech yet ... but I was looking at a spinoff link ... Israellycool or Carl ... not sure which ... anyway ... why did he say this? or why did someone write this for him?

... Islam was revealed ...

that is a strange choice of words ...

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:22:17am

re: #516 Alouette

So, Israelite and Jew are synonymous, but Hebrew is a race. Right?

(I only have one (non-LGF) Jewish friend). Roanoke, Virginia is not exactly Brooklyn, New York.

522 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:22:54am

re: #517 3 wood

Look for the market to open on the upside this morning.

By the way, when the Messiah was waxing poetic about how African-Americans received freedom and civil right through peaceful insistence on rights, I think he missed a little event called the Civil War.

I have a whole bunch of ancestors who made the ultimate sacrifice on the Union side of that little fracas.

And I must have missed the day in American History when they taught how crucial Islam was to the founding and development of the USA?

523 baier  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:23:36am

re: #505 Spare O'Lake

He is still doing what he does best - campaigning for President of the World.

Obama's popularity will last another year or so, hopefully he doesn't do much more damage in that time.
I believe his economic policy will fail, and that will be that. Unfortunately, all of us are going to be screwed because we elected a looter.

524 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:23:40am

re: #518 JustMyView

He said he believed the people of Iraq were better off w/o Saddam in power.

As if that happened in a vacuum?

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:23:59am

re: #517 3 wood

Union? *SPIT*

Like that, LOL?

526 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:24:06am

liked what the guy on Fox is saying...good he brought up women's rights , but to use wearing headscraves as the problem and not stoning or beheading is a cop out.

527 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:24:19am

re: #507 littleoldlady

I think there was a big brouhaha some time ago about Jew vs. Jewish. There were people who actually took offense from the phrase, "She's a Jew." and insisted that the "better" way was to say "She's Jewish".

Me, I don't care, so long as you don't *spit* when you say..."Oh, littleoldlady? She's a Jew!".

;-)

/I was born a Jew AND I'm Jewish!

Saying "Jew" is quite proper so long as it is said softly with genuine affection and a smile - and of course it must never be used as a verb.
/sarc/

528 baier  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:24:26am

re: #517 3 wood

Look for the market to open on the upside this morning.

By the way, when the Messiah was waxing poetic about how African-Americans received freedom and civil right through peaceful insistence on rights, I think he missed a little event called the Civil War.


UNDERPANTS!
1. Get Underpants
2. ...
3. PROFIT!

529 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:25:28am

re: #520 JacksonTn

I have not read the speech yet ... but I was looking at a spinoff link ... Israellycool or Carl ... not sure which ... anyway ... why did he say this? or why did someone write this for him?

... Islam was revealed ...

that is a strange choice of words ...

I missed alot of it but what i heard i hated. He lied plenty. I never new it was a "Western" view that women who cover are less equal? Does the jack ass know plenty of Jewish women cover? He ever hear of the old scmata ( however it is spelled)?

530 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:25:30am

re: #489 lifeofthemind While it isn't stated in the same way the basic idea behind the golden rule exists in Islam.

Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths."

531 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:25:57am

re: #521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, Israelite and Jew are synonymous, but Hebrew is a race. Right?

(I only have one (non-LGF) Jewish friend). Roanoke, Virginia is not exactly Brooklyn, New York.

Hebrew is a language, not a race.

532 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:26:23am

Settlements must stop! " The rent will stay the same"?

533 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:26:46am

I'm so depressed.

534 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:26:47am

re: #516 Alouette

Israelites, indeed! When my daughter was in 3rd grade they did a touchyfeely multiculti project involving a map and pins indicating where everyone's family "came from". (Honestly, it's truly like the United Nations around here!) My daughter stuck a pin in Israel. Cracked me up. "How far back were you supposed to go?" I asked her.

/my parents were both born in Czechoslovakia, considered themselves Hungarian, and the towns are now located in the Ukraine.
//NO WONDER she was confused! ;-)

535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:26:50am

re: #531 Alouette

Hebrew is a language, not a race.

GAH!

I'll never get it right.

536 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:27:33am

re: #531 Alouette

Hebrew is a language, not a race.

All to often my Hebrew was something to be butchered, but that's a subject for another day? Boker Tov

537 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:27:49am

re: #535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jews are not a race. We are "a people", a nation.

538 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:27:50am

re: #522 Nevergiveup

And I must have missed the day in American History when they taught how crucial Islam was to the founding and development of the USA?

That would be the 57 state US.

539 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:28:23am

re: #522 Nevergiveup

Islam was one of the primary reasons behind the founding of the Marine Corps.

Dunno if I should sarc that or not as they are the reason but it was in responce to aggression from islamic pirates, rather than them helping establish in a good way.

540 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:29:00am

International Jerusalem!
A) because that has worked so well before or elsewhere
B) Fuck you and over my dead body

541 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:29:10am

re: #534 littleoldlady

my parents were both born in Czechoslovakia, considered themselves Hungarian, and the towns are now located in the Ukraine.
//NO WONDER she was confused! ;-)

Ruthenia?

542 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:29:48am

re: #540 Nevergiveup

International Jerusalem!
A) because that has worked so well before or elsewhere
B) Fuck you and over my dead body

NGU ... what that in the speech? ...

543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:29:51am

re: #537 littleoldlady

Jews are not a race. We are "a people", a nation.

I have an old friend who is a convert (from Methodist)... What about a convert?

544 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:30:24am

re: #539 Rustler

Islam was one of the primary reasons behind the founding of the Marine Corps.

Dunno if I should sarc that or not as they are the reason but it was in responce to aggression from islamic pirates, rather than them helping establish in a good way.

Well I said something like that once and it was pointed out that the Marines had a history before then, during the revolutionary war. But I like the way you think.

545 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:31:20am

re: #542 JacksonTn

NGU ... what that in the speech? ...

That is what i heard on TV. I had to walk to my Office from my car and missed that part, but they said he did on TV

546 baier  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:31:26am

re: #540 Nevergiveup

International Jerusalem!
A) because that has worked so well before or elsewhere
B) Fuck you and over my dead body

Obama believes in historical precedence, i.e. Jews still are not allowed to own anything in the middle east.

547 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:31:45am

re: #524 Nevergiveup

As if that happened in a vacuum?

He reminds me of teenage kids who think that electricity ifs free and the family house and car just magically appeared one day, with no connection to Mom and Dad's hard work every day to pay for it.

548 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:31:46am

re: #521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, Israelite and Jew are synonymous, but Hebrew is a race. Right?

(I only have one (non-LGF) Jewish friend). Roanoke, Virginia is not exactly Brooklyn, New York.

I don't know, I would consider "hebrew" a language.

To my shiksa ear, (meaning I'm a gentile)--it would sound weird to call someone "a jew" rather than "jewish", and the american jewish friends I have mostly prefer the word "jewish", because of how the term's been used in the past. But that may be regional.

My Israeli friends always say 'he's a jew" when referring to other jewish people.

549 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:31:59am

re: #540 Nevergiveup

International Jerusalem!
A) because that has worked so well before or elsewhere
B) Fuck you and over my dead body

He didn't mention an "International Jerusalem" in the speech.

Full text of Obama's Cairo speech

550 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:32:20am

re: #547 3 wood

He reminds me of teenage kids who think that electricity ifs free and the family house and car just magically appeared one day, with no connection to Mom and Dad's hard work every day to pay for it.

3wood ... get out of my son's head! ...

551 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:32:39am

re: #541 Jim in Virginia

Ruthenia?

EXACTLY! :-)

/I'm impress! Not too many people know that.

PodKarpatskaRus (SubCarpathian Ruthenia)

552 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:33:13am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A convert to Judaism is a Jew. (Or Jewish.) ;-)

553 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:33:44am

He has the nerve to apologize for the war in iraq, how we treated Iran, and the last 8 years after visiting the 2 countries most responsible for 9/11--Saudi Arabia and Egypt. What a fucken cocksucker

554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:33:45am

re: #551 littleoldlady

I'm a four-corners boy.

England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland.

555 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:34:08am

re: #547 3 wood

He reminds me of teenage kids who think that electricity ifs free and the family house and car just magically appeared one day, with no connection to Mom and Dad's hard work every day to pay for it.

You've met my kids?

556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:34:30am

re: #552 littleoldlady

I feel my brain expanding. Thanks.

557 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:34:48am

re: #555 Nevergiveup

Mine too.

558 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:34:56am

re: #549 Alouette

He didn't mention an "International Jerusalem" in the speech.

Full text of Obama's Cairo speech

OK, I wonder where the TV commentator got that?

559 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:35:40am

re: #551 littleoldlady
I should go on Jeopardy. The trivia I carry around in my head...

560 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:36:04am

re: #558 Nevergiveup

OK, I wonder where the TV commentator got that?

The media is entitled to make policy, donja know? After all, they determine who our President is...

561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:37:08am

re: #559 Jim in Virginia

Sometimes people will look at me and say, "How the heck did you know that?" I'll point to a spot (where my brain might be) on my head and say, "Where my pin number is supposed to be."

562 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:37:24am

re: #559 Jim in Virginia

Let me know when you do!

/I want to watch... ;-)

563 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:37:27am

re: #557 rightside

Mine too.

As a College graduation present I bought my daughter a MacBook. And last night they also got the free Ipod that came with it and my wife and kids were discussing who would get it ( I was not in the mix ). I said how about a thank-you dad?

564 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:37:48am

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Laughed out loud. :)

565 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:39:27am

re: #555 Nevergiveup

You've met my kids?

I have my own.

This past weekend I had one of those wonderful moments when a parent sees an offspring start figuring out the real world. My eldest, who is out on her own now with a just starting career, complained about how"everything costs money".

I had to struggle not to giggle out loud.

566 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:39:59am

It's 'I'll see y'all later', not 'goodbye'...

Friends, and for that matter all the rest of you too, I've been thinking about something for quite some time, and I've come to a decision. I am going to severely reduce my time on LGF, and for that matter my time on-line.

It is not due to any perceived fault with LGF; the fault is mine alone. I've been spending way too much time in cyber-space and not enough time taking care of real life. That was fine while I was hurt and hobbled, but now that I'm physically doing better it does not satisfy. While I recognize a little bit of self-control would solve the problem I also know that if I lack any one desirable quality it is self-control.

I will not even attempt to thank by name all the folks that have been so kind to me here. I would forget to mention someone, remember them after hitting 'post this comment', and fret about the omission for days. I do thank you, though.

I'll check back in from time to time, as long as Charles keeps the account open.

I hope that the worst day that you ever have is better than the best day that you ever dreamed of.

See y'all later.

*I feel just like Captain Spaulding.*

567 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:40:09am

re: #544 Nevergiveup

The United States Marine Corps traces its institutional roots to the Continental Marines of the American Revolutionary War, formed at Tun Tavern in Philadelphia, by a resolution of the Second Continental Congress on 10 November 1775, to raise 2 battalions of Marines. That date is regarded and celebrated as the date of the Marine Corps' "birthday". At the end of the American Revolution, both the Continental Navy and Continental Marines were disbanded in April 1783. Although individual Marines stayed on for the few American naval vessels left, the last Continental Marine was discharged in September 1783. The institution itself would not be resurrected until 1798. In that year, in preparation for the Naval War with France, Congress created the United States Marine Corps. Marines had been enlisted by the War Department as early as August 1797 for service in the new build frigates authorized by Congress. The "Act to provide a Naval Armament" of March 18, 1794 authorizing them had specified the numbers of Marines to be recruited for each frigate.

The Marines' most famous action of this period occurred during the First Barbary War (1801–1805) against the Barbary pirates, when William Eaton and First Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon led seven Marines and 300 mercenaries in an effort to capture Tripoli. Though they only reached Derna, the action at Tripoli has been immortalized in the Marines' hymn and the Mameluke Sword carried by Marine officers.

Basically Tripoli helped make the Marines a permanent force rather than one which would be remade in hte event they were needed as they were for the possible french naval war of 1798.

568 deegee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:40:13am

He mentioned the 'right' of Muslims to wear face and head coverings as a religious right, twice. How does one balance Obama's support for the Hijab with the emancipation of women?

If I was a Muslim woman trying to rid myself of compulsory clothing restriction, as part of the trilogy of hijab, forced marriage and honour killings, what would I think?

569 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:41:27am

My two cents- the speech will be a two day wonder in the MSM. It won't make a bit of difference to the economy, or Mideast peace, North Korea, Iran 's nukes, or how the "Arab street" feels about the US or their own governments.

I'd bet money there are a couple things he said today that in six months or a year he will call an unfortunate choice of words, should anyone bring them up.

570 Preposter S  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:41:39am

YOu have to start fisking somewhere...

America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles - principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

Islam destroyed 40% of the Christian world in its first 200 years. It invaded and destroyed communities everywhere it went. It enslaved, it forced conversion, it still enslaves; its history of despotism untouched by justice is unmatched in human society. By the 11th century Islamist anti-intellectualism had become fully incorporated into Islamic society. The only innovation that was valued was military, so greater force could be used by Muslims against enemies and fellow Muslims alike. This whole passage is a pure crock. If it is what the President believes, he is a clueless fool; if it is an entreaty to the Islamic world, he is speaking dishonestly and shames us all with his lies.

It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.

President John Adams wrote: "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims."

President Adams had other far less charitable things to say about Islam. Particularly the bit where its leaders thought it ok to pirate US ships, enslave and murder our sailors and, when possible, force the captives to convert to Islam.

No mention how happy Muslims were world wide on 911.

Wafa Sultan is probably reading the speech and weeping.

571 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:42:20am

re: #530 Rustler

While it isn't stated in the same way the basic idea behind the golden rule exists in Islam.

That is the point. The quote applies a duty to consider the needs of only Believers, you can do as you please to Unbelievers. In Judaism there is the duty to care for "the stranger among you" and deal righteously by them. Islam does not say to treat strangers as you wish to be treated. It says treat them as they deserve to be treated, that is like trash.

572 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:42:22am

Well he did mention Jerusalem:

"when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, "

I am not sure what HE meant by that, but maybe he hasn't noticed that since 1967 Jerusalem has been accessible to Muslims, Christians, and JEWS. Not before then. And maybe someone should clue the clueless into the fact there are NO CHURCHES OR TEMPLES IN SAUDI ARABIA!

573 deegee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:42:36am

How is everyone with Obama the African-American? How his ancestors must have chafed in their chains.

574 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:42:40am

re: #566 razorbacker

Razorbacker ... thanks for writing that ... see ya later ... and good luck and so glad you are better! ...

575 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:43:06am

re: #568 deegee
He's being unsincere and pandering to the oppressed while not really condemming or offering solutions for dealing with the Oppressors.

576 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:43:20am

re: #566 razorbacker

See ya round! Take care.

577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:44:07am

re: #566 razorbacker

Go see some real people.

578 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:44:16am

re: #569 Jim in Virginia

My two cents- the speech will be a two day wonder in the MSM. It won't make a bit of difference to the economy, or Mideast peace, North Korea, Iran 's nukes, or how the "Arab street" feels about the US or their own governments.

I'd bet money there are a couple things he said today that in six months or a year he will call an unfortunate choice of words, should anyone bring them up.

JinV ... I feel the same ... I am just glad it is over ... all the hype about this speech way back since the beginning of his campaign ... now ... get down to business ...

579 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:45:11am

re: #571 lifeofthemind
It doesn't say anything about excluding unbelievers.

It just uses the no true "believer" fallacy.

580 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:45:12am

re: #573 deegee

How is everyone with Obama the African-American? How his ancestors must have chafed in their chains.

None of his ancestors were slaves in America. His father's people were slavers in Africa.

581 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:46:09am

He put great empathize on pronouncing Islamic words but butchered the 3rd "Rice" when talking about the Holocaust?

582 JustMyView  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:47:51am

re: #580 lifeofthemind

None of his ancestors were slaves in America. His father's people were slavers in Africa.

You don't know that. It's not as if captive and captor were the only possibilities.

583 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:49:57am

Hey how are them free elections going in Saudi Arabia and Egypt?

584 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:51:18am

re: #581 Nevergiveup

He put great empathize on pronouncing Islamic words but butchered the 3rd "Rice" when talking about the Holocaust?

3rd Rice? Holocaust? I missed that--what do you mean?

he also pronounced Cuba "koo-ba".

585 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:51:52am

re: #582 JustMyView

You don't know that. It's not as if captive and captor were the only possibilities.

Yes I do, his father comes from the Muslim tribes of North Kenya with connections further north into Somalia. Those were the East African slavers.

586 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:52:08am

re: #571 lifeofthemind
Here is how the Golden rule is interpreted in 21 different religions 20 if you don't feel islam's example truely implies a care for your fellow man.

587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:52:40am

re: #584 iceweasel

koo-ba is the correct pronounciation. Cue-ba as a complete Anglicization. There is no "ue" sound in Spanish, IIRC.

588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:53:50am

re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My name, for example (not my nic) is very difficult for my Spanish speaking friends.

589 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:54:02am

Boy, when you read a bunch of class notes...there comes a point where your eyes just start shutting and your brain just gives up.

/not the best time to do this!

590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:54:13am

Work time! Y'all keep it clean!

591 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:54:16am

re: #584 iceweasel

Cuba Pronunciation. He wasn't far off

592 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:58:13am

I have to get going.

/because Her Highness, Roxanne The Dog says so...

My take on Obama's speech is...it COULD have been worse vis a vis Israel. But I don't know that for sure because I still don't believe a word he says, I don't trust him, and I think he's a world class, Olympic caliber liar.

"My wife, Morgan Fairchild. "Yeahhh! That's the ticket!"

Good day, ALL!™

593 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 4:59:17am

re: #592 littleoldlady

I have to get going.

/because Her Highness, Roxanne The Dog says so...

My take on Obama's speech is...it COULD have been worse vis a vis Israel. But I don't know that for sure because I still don't believe a word he says, I don't trust him, and I think he's a world class, Olympic caliber liar.

"My wife, Morgan Fairchild. "Yeahhh! That's the ticket!"

Good day, ALL!™

Take care, LoL

594 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:00:04am

re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

koo-ba is the correct pronounciation. Cue-ba as a complete Anglicization. There is no "ue" sound in Spanish, IIRC.

I know. People are always freaking out whenever Obama defers from the Anglicised pronunciation of words. As with Pakistan. And acting as if it's some sort of awful thing, to pronounce the names in the way they should be.

Cf the recent flap over SotomaYOR vs Soto-mayer pronunciation.

595 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:02:51am

re: #594 iceweasel

Nothing compared to the excoriation Bush received when saying things like nook-ya-ler. Although I must admit, hearing him speak without a teleprompter, makes Bush sound like Bill Buckley.

The astonishing number of verbal connectors to stagger through a sentence.

596 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:02:57am

Why was Obama so disillusioned with Islam that he decided he needed to convert to Christianity (or whatever you want to call that mess of a church), or was it something else ?

Maybe Al-Arabia will ask him that.

He's the Ultimate Bullshit Artist, henceforth known as UBA.

597 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:03:32am

re: #591 Rustler

Of course-- I should have put this in context; I was responding to someone who claimed he went out of his way to pronounce names of Islamic countries properly-- My point was that he also pronounced Cuba properly, NOT only the names of Islamic countries.

598 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:05:06am

re: #596 SasquatchOnSteroids

He found Jesus?

599 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:07:14am

re: #595 rightside

Nothing compared to the excoriation Bush received when saying things like nook-ya-ler. Although I must admit, hearing him speak without a teleprompter, makes Bush sound like Bill Buckley.

The astonishing number of verbal connectors to stagger through a sentence.

I noticed he stumbled and paused quite a bit today even with his teleprompter...

600 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:07:42am

re: #598 freetoken

He found Jesus?

In Rev Wright's Church ?

OK.

601 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:09:57am

re: #598 freetoken


The Jesus he found in that Chruch (TUCOC), doesn't seem to be the same one I found. But that's just my opinion!

602 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:12:18am

re: #595 rightside

You're right. There's a long history within the US of criticising the pronunciation of nuclear--he wasn't the only president mocked for that--I think it's part of a general tradition of demonization and mockery of southern/western accents. The Beltway media mocks anyone with a southern accent as unintelligent, and anyone with anything other than their own accent as unintelligent--Palin's accent, for example.

(and i did NOT like Palin, but many people just dismissed her on the basis of how she sounded, rather than what she said.)

603 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:13:02am

re: #582 JustMyView
Obama's father is Luo. The Luo ruled the area around kenya from the 16-1800's. During those days the west coast of Africa(The Slave Coast) was the heart of the Slave Trade.

At Bunyoro,
the Luo eventually established a ruling dynasty among the existing Bantu
population. This composite kingdom exercised considerable power in the 16th
and 17th centuries. Other related and similar states formed in the region. In
Buganda, near Lake Victoria, a strong monarchy ruled a heterogeneous
population and dominated the region in the 18th century. These developments in
the interior, as important as they were for the history of the region, were
less influenced by the growing contact with the outside world than were other
regions of Africa.

604 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:13:02am

Obama's ignorance of the Middle East conflict between Israel and the Palestinians/Arabs is astounding and dangerous.

605 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:14:16am

re: #595 rightside

Bah The press really mangled that what Bush really said was Nuke ya later, not nuke ya leer.

606 gphot  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:16:30am

re the Cairo Speech: is Barack Obama the President of the United States of America, or the President of Utopia?

607 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:17:24am

re: #602 iceweasel

Can I ask why you don't like Palin?

608 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:19:34am

re: #548 iceweasel

Uh, weasel-- "shiksa" means a "zit" or a "blemish". It's an unflattering way for a Jewish female to refer to a non-Jewish counterpart.

609 aRedPhishHead  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:19:53am
re the Cairo Speech: is Barack Obama the President of the United States of America, or the President of Utopia?

We're already living in Utopia - remember?

"He won." Everything's now fine.

He's just making sure that the Jew-hating nutjobs in the ME feel like they're part of this new, warm, embracing Utopia.

610 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:19:54am

For the Record, Israel HAS ACCEPTED the concept of a "Palestinian State". And the present Israeli Government has NOT reneged on that pledge. It has questioned the wisdom and practicality of the "Road Map" but it has NOT disavowed them. As a matter of fact, it is the Present AMERICAN Government that has disavowed past promises to Israel about the natural growth of towns and cities on the West Bank.

611 JustMyView  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:22:14am

re: #603 Rustler

Obama's father is Luo. The Luo ruled the area around kenya from the 16-1800's. During those days the west coast of Africa(The Slave Coast) was the heart of the Slave Trade.

That still doesn't establish that Obama's ancestors had anything to do w/ the slave trade. Furthermore, the slave trade ended quite a while before O's father was born, and, still further, O had pretty much nothing to do w/ his father. So bringing up the slave trade and connecting it to O is just a way to slander him that has no basis in anything he ever said, did, or was.

612 JustMyView  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:24:18am

re: #603 Rustler

Obama's father is Luo. The Luo ruled the area around kenya from the 16-1800's. During those days the west coast of Africa(The Slave Coast) was the heart of the Slave Trade.

Also, Kenya is in East Africa, no?

613 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:25:19am

re: #611 JustMyView
It was brought up because someone mentioned his ancestors were slaves. Someone else made the remark that his ancestors didn't wear chains they put folks in them. Noone stated Obama's father was a slave trader just his people were.

614 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:25:38am

re: #611 JustMyView

That still doesn't establish that Obama's ancestors had anything to do w/ the slave trade. Furthermore, the slave trade ended quite a while before O's father was born, and, still further, O had pretty much nothing to do w/ his father. So bringing up the slave trade and connecting it to O is just a way to slander him that has no basis in anything he ever said, did, or was.

Yes, indeed!
In the same way, I guess, that bringing up the slave trade and slavery is a way to slander me, whose white ancestors were poor as dirt and never owned any slaves, and some of whom came to this southern state after the Civil War.

615 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:27:23am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

What! How dare you slough off responsibility for slavery! Reparations I tell you!

616 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:27:51am

re: #612 JustMyView
Pardon yes Kenya is on East coast.

617 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:28:17am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

Yes, indeed!
In the same way, I guess, that bringing up the slave trade and slavery is a way to slander me, whose white ancestors were poor as dirt and never owned any slaves, and some of whom came to this southern state after the Civil War.

Reine ... you are southern white person ... it does not matter ... to them we are all racists ...

618 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:30:13am

re: #617 JacksonTn

Reine ... you are southern white person ... it does not matter ... to them we are all racists ...


And here I thought Boston was the epicenter for racism. That's what I've been hearing for most of my life.

619 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:30:31am

re: #617 JacksonTn

Reine ... you are southern white person ... it does not matter ... to them we are all racists ...

exactly.

620 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:31:16am

re: #618 soxfan4life

And here I thought Boston was the epicenter for racism. That's what I've been hearing for most of my life.

SF4L ... nah, we got the market covered on that stuff ... come on down! ...

621 JustMyView  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:32:04am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

Yes, indeed!
In the same way, I guess, that bringing up the slave trade and slavery is a way to slander me, whose white ancestors were poor as dirt and never owned any slaves, and some of whom came to this southern state after the Civil War.

Right. You should take that complaint up with anyone who makes that kind of accusation, which would not be me.

622 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:32:10am

re: #618 soxfan4life

And here I thought Boston was the epicenter for racism. That's what I've been hearing for most of my life.

Watch a few TV shows and movies and notice how many of the malevolent racist sadistic idiots have a really strong "southern" accent.

623 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:32:18am

re: #620 JacksonTn

SF4L ... nah, we got the market covered on that stuff ... come on down! ...


How's the job market?

624 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:32:44am

re: #616 Rustler Kenya was mostly involved with the Arab Slave Trade not American. My mistake was referenced in a slave coast Article and I'm not thinking at my best this morning had a long night.

625 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:33:19am

re: #623 soxfan4life

How's the job market?

SF4L ... where I am ... probably better than most ... but the pay is not as much as up north ... but then the cost of living is a little cheaper ...

626 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:34:15am

re: #621 JustMyView

Right. You should take that complaint up with anyone who makes that kind of accusation, which would not be me.

I don't actually have any complaints. And I do not actually believe that any mention of the slave trade or slavery is a slander on me.

I just think there are times when a double standard is applied.

627 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:34:48am

re: #622 reine.de.tout

Watch a few TV shows and movies and notice how many of the malevolent racist sadistic idiots have a really strong "southern" accent.


That is true, however they are also not kind to residents of South Boston (Southie). Who just happen to be of Irish descent.

628 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:34:55am

re: #596 SasquatchOnSteroids

Obama himself has said that as a community organizer in Chicago, he was repeatedly asked where he went to church, or with what church he was affiliated. Initially, as a person seeking roots, he was unaffiliated. He eventually settled on Trinity United Church of Christ, which had a huge congregation, and a pastor (Wright) with a progressive social message consistent with what Obama was doing.

My take: The black community in Chicago and elsewhere organizes itself around its churches. To be without a church is to be without an identity. Obama needed a church affiliation to be credible and effective in his work, and for his future ambitions. Trinity was a great political base, because it was large and influential in the black community. Wright's message was consistent with Obama's political and social beliefs (essentially radical left or socialist). It was the perfect match, and it paid off for Obama in many ways.

I don't think Barack Obama is personally spiritual in any way. I think he can switch from Christian to Muslim to Marxist, depending upon context. He's gifted at adopting and mimicking the memes and metaphors of each belief system, the perfect political chameleon. I think he's an authoritarian collectivist at bottom, someone who believes in his own magical powers. Of course, I could be wrong! ;-)

629 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:37:16am

re: #627 soxfan4life

That is true, however they are also not kind to residents of South Boston (Southie). Who just happen to be of Irish descent.

Heh.
Of Irish descent here, too.
So that's the common denominator, eh?

630 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:37:45am

I would like to remind people how dangerous making promises about delivering peace to the Israeli/Palestinians is. It was after Clinton's giant failure to produce an agreement that resulted in the 2nd Intifada. Thousands died. But History was never Obama's best subject.

Obama: I'll personally pursue two-state solution

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

631 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:37:55am

re: #625 JacksonTn

SF4L ... where I am ... probably better than most ... but the pay is not as much as up north ... but then the cost of living is a little cheaper ...


The cost of living is all relative .I still own a home in Texas that I purchased when I was stationed at Fort Hood for about 1/6 of what it would cost here in MA. Right now I'm just looking to work and when the economy recovers I want to find a job somewhere with warm winters that will be more agreeable with my reconstructed ankle and lower leg.

632 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:39:20am

re: #630 Nevergiveup

I would like to remind people how dangerous making promises about delivering peace to the Israeli/Palestinians is. It was after Clinton's giant failure to produce an agreement that resulted in the 2nd Intifada. Thousands died. But History was never Obama's best subject.
Obama: I'll personally pursue two-state solution

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

He's much better at revisionist history.

633 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:39:26am

re: #628 quickjustice

Obama himself has said that as a community organizer in Chicago, he was repeatedly asked where he went to church, or with what church he was affiliated. Initially, as a person seeking roots, he was unaffiliated. He eventually settled on Trinity United Church of Christ, which had a huge congregation, and a pastor (Wright) with a progressive social message consistent with what Obama was doing.

My take: The black community in Chicago and elsewhere organizes itself around its churches. To be without a church is to be without an identity. Obama needed a church affiliation to be credible and effective in his work, and for his future ambitions. Trinity was a great political base, because it was large and influential in the black community. Wright's message was consistent with Obama's political and social beliefs (essentially radical left or socialist). It was the perfect match, and it paid off for Obama in many ways.

I don't think Barack Obama is personally spiritual in any way. I think he can switch from Christian to Muslim to Marxist, depending upon context. He's gifted at adopting and mimicking the memes and metaphors of each belief system, the perfect political chameleon. I think he's an authoritarian collectivist at bottom, someone who believes in his own magical powers. Of course, I could be wrong! ;-)

DITTO !

This Easy button really does work !

"Dead On Balls Accurate"
~Tomei, MCV

634 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:40:49am

re: #597 iceweasel

He pronounced "Cuba" the way Castro does when he's speaking Spanish ("Koo-ba"). Is this impressive? In addressing an American audience, you pronounce words the way Americans do, so that they can understand you. In addressing a Spanish audience in Spanish, you pronounce their language correctly so that they can understand you.

People who salt their American English with foreign pronunciations do so to impress their listeners with their superior knowledge and understanding of foreign language and culture. It's extremely didactic. If it's mixed with snobbery, it's also very annoying. I think our new President is a snob!

635 JustMyView  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:40:52am

re: #630 Nevergiveup

I would like to remind people how dangerous making promises about delivering peace to the Israeli/Palestinians is. It was after Clinton's giant failure to produce an agreement that resulted in the 2nd Intifada. Thousands died. But History was never Obama's best subject.

Obama: I'll personally pursue two-state solution

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Promising to pursue is not the same as promising to deliver.

636 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:42:34am

Drudge: OBAMA SPORTS THIN MOUSTACHE IN EGYPT...

Fascism!

637 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:42:45am

re: #615 rightside

What! How dare you slough off responsibility for slavery! Reparations I tell you!

I love the photo when I click your nic!
Awesome.

638 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:43:02am

re: #626 reine.de.tout

Reine ... I always have to laugh when someone says ... "you don't sound like you are from New Orleans" ... and I say "Well, then you don't know what someone from New Orleans sounds like" ... they think people from N.O. have a french accent ... ha ... movies! ... I try to tell them only people from the acadiana parishes have that accent ... actually in New Orleans it depends on what neighborhood you come from ... so many different accents within the city ...

639 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:43:36am

re: #636 Killgore Trout

Drudge: OBAMA SPORTS THIN MOUSTACHE IN EGYPT...

Fascism!

geez.
I thought you were joking.
That headline is there!

640 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:44:18am

I'm sure the President said many good things in his speech. But the one thing he seems unlikely to change is this:

As long as Israel exists, the majority of the muslim world will hate it. The mosques will preach antisemitism because that is simply in their DNA. And even if BHO explicitly called out islam for its promotion of Jew/Israel/Zionist hatred, he can't change it. This is a large part of what the religion stands for. BHO is influential, but in the muslim world, the words of muhammad will trump the influence of Obama.

641 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:44:43am

re: #639 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I think it was just a shadow.

642 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:45:31am

re: #635 JustMyView

Promising to pursue is not the same as promising to deliver.

Promises Promises. Read up on Middle East history and then get back to me.

643 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:45:50am

re: #628 quickjustice

In the end he chose a church with Liberation Theology. That theology is rooted in Marxist subversion of the Catholic Church in Central American.

Obama returned to his real roots, the way he was raised and all the people he associated with all his life.

644 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:46:00am

re: #641 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I think it was just a shadow.

Killgore ... and I am not saying this in a mean way at all ... I think his color is off ... I said the other day he looks gray ... I hope he is okay ... probably just tired ...

645 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:46:00am

re: #637 reine.de.tout

Thank you!

646 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:46:25am

re: #638 JacksonTn

Reine ... I always have to laugh when someone says ... "you don't sound like you are from New Orleans" ... and I say "Well, then you don't know what someone from New Orleans sounds like" ... they think people from N.O. have a french accent ... ha ... movies! ... I try to tell them only people from the acadiana parishes have that accent ... actually in New Orleans it depends on what neighborhood you come from ... so many different accents within the city ...

Yep. Hard to tell, sometimes, it's even a "southern" city.
There's one movie I saw set in N.O. where the main character had what, I guess, the actor thought was a southern accent, and thrown into the dialog mix were these French words. It was really weird. It wasn't a bad movie, but I couldn't get past the accent.

647 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:46:57am

re: #638 JacksonTn
Bah just admit it every one in the Big easy speaks with a cajun accent and eats Cumberland county surf and turf(roadkill and turtle/gator).

648 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:46:57am

re: #641 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I think it was just a shadow.

Didn't look like a mustache to me. A shadow, as you said.

649 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:47:08am

re: #643 jcm

In the end he chose a church with Liberation Theology. That theology is rooted in Marxist subversion of the Catholic Church in Central American.

Obama returned to his real roots, the way he was raised and all the people he associated with all his life.

jcm ... I know that has been covered to death ... well at least on some blogs ... but if people knew about Cone and the BLT teachings ... they might be surprised ...

650 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:47:20am

re: #644 JacksonTn

I think he looks ok. There is a lot of stress and the job ages people pretty fast.

651 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:48:14am

re: #641 Killgore Trout

Isn't is sekrit signal to the other sekrit muslims?

652 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:48:25am

re: #637 reine.de.tout

"Click your nic" rhymes with"flick my bic". You flirt, you! ;-)

653 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:48:27am

re: #648 reine.de.tout

Didn't look like a mustache to me. A shadow, as you said.

Eye black. To keep the glare from the Teleprompter out of his eyes.
Had to put it somewhere conspicuous. Subtle.

//

654 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:48:33am

I see Obama's statement on the soldier killing was insufficient...
Finally: Obama’s limp statement on the jihadi attack in Arkansas

655 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:49:05am

re: #651 freetoken

Heh.

656 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:49:31am

re: #646 reine.de.tout

Yep. Hard to tell, sometimes, it's even a "southern" city.
There's one movie I saw set in N.O. where the main character had what, I guess, the actor thought was a southern accent, and thrown into the dialog mix were these French words. It was really weird. It wasn't a bad movie, but I couldn't get past the accent.

Reine ... I know there was a movie with Dennis Quaid as a police officer ... and I had to laugh all the way through it ... he said "Cher" ... about a million times and he had a french accent ... or was trying to have some sort of cajun french accent and everybody in N.O. in the movie did too ... they would have done better with a "down in Parish" ... St. Bernard accent ... oh, well, WE STILL HAVE THE BEST FOOD IN THE WORLD! ...

657 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:50:02am

Mornin' all. Caught a few of the ones sound bites. Sounds like the apology tour is in full swing...again.

658 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:50:17am

re: #649 JacksonTn

jcm ... I know that has been covered to death ... well at least on some blogs ... but if people knew about Cone and the BLT teachings ... they might be surprised ...

Not a word in the MSM. Not a word.

What is well know in the blogosphere is unknown outside.

659 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:50:25am

re: #526 Beach Lover

liked what the guy on Fox is saying...good he brought up women's rights , but to use wearing headscraves as the problem and not stoning or beheading is a cop out.

And arranged marriages.

660 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:50:26am

I see we now have a banner ad for dianetics. Was there a discussion about volcanoes recently, or perhaps somebody mentioned the NIMH?

I'm beginning to have some doubts about the validity of the Google principle.

661 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:50:55am

re: #654 Killgore Trout

I see Obama's statement on the soldier killing was insufficient...
Finally: Obama’s limp statement on the jihadi attack in Arkansas

Pure press office boiler plate.

662 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:51:16am

re: #660 Naso Tang

I see we now have a banner ad for dianetics. Was there a discussion about volcanoes recently, or perhaps somebody mentioned the NIMH?

I'm beginning to have some doubts about the validity of the Google principle.

Beginning?

;-)

663 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:51:25am

re: #654 Killgore Trout
No mention by Obama about the molotov's cocktails extra weapons and extra ammo in the guys truck either? Had he been white He would be being hailed accross the media as Tim McVeigh the 2nd.

664 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:51:28am

re: #656 JacksonTn

Reine ... I know there was a movie with Dennis Quaid as a police officer ... and I had to laugh all the way through it ... he said "Cher" ... about a million times and he had a french accent ... or was trying to have some sort of cajun french accent and everybody in N.O. in the movie did too ... they would have done better with a "down in Parish" ... St. Bernard accent ... oh, well, WE STILL HAVE THE BEST FOOD IN THE WORLD! ...

That's the movie I was talking about!

665 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:51:49am

re: #654 Killgore Trout

I see Obama's statement on the soldier killing was insufficient...
Finally: Obama’s limp statement on the jihadi attack in Arkansas


I have a strong feeling that insufficient and underwhelming will be used alot to describe this administration.

666 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:52:29am

re: #661 jcm

They all are. The abortion doctor killing statement was one sentence.

667 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:52:36am

re: #664 reine.de.tout

That's the movie I was talking about!

Reine ... ha ha ... we should have known this ... it was "The Big Easy" ... I looked it up ...

668 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:52:57am

I wish he'd grow a pair before he grows a mustache.

669 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:53:15am

re: #661 jcm

Pure press office boiler plate.

I didn't think the statement was particularly "limp" until compared with the statement about Tiller's murder.

Now I have no issue with his statement on Tiller.
I just think the statement about the recruiting office incident should have been just as strong.

670 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:53:56am

re: #657 pingjockey

Mornin' all. Caught a few of the ones sound bites. Sounds like the apology tour is in full swing...again.

Remember the old rules that Politics stopped at the shoreline? Kinda weird when the President himself doesn't get it? Dissing the USA and Past Presidents himself? What a fuck wad.

671 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:54:11am

The EU elections are underway. There is fear few will show up to the party:

Turnout fear as EU election opens:

In the Netherlands, the Freedom Party (PVV) of the right-wing MP Geert Wilders is attempting to leapfrog the ruling Christian Democrats (CDA) and Labour Party (PvdA) and become the country's main representative in the European Parliament.

Geert Wilders says he will not take up his seat if elected as an MEP

Mr Wilders was refused entry to the UK in February on the grounds that he had sought to incite hatred with a film he made last year that equated Islam with violence and likened the Koran to Mein Kampf.
The controversial politician is also facing prosecution in the Netherlands for making anti-Islamic statements, following a court ruling the previous month.

Despite the charges many Dutch voters seem to like what Mr Wilders is saying, the BBC's Geraldine Coughlan in The Hague reports.

672 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:54:18am

re: #669 reine.de.tout

Deeply saddened vs. shocked and outgraged

673 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:54:33am

re: #668 TheMatrix31


If he can't grow a pair at least get a backbone.

674 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:54:35am

re: #667 JacksonTn Lol my 647 was Foreshadowing on the movie I guess :P.
Or maybe it put the subconscious thought there to get yall thinking of it.

675 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:55:14am

re: #670 Nevergiveup

Did he mention the problems he inherited?

676 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:55:35am

re: #669 reine.de.tout
IMO, it should have been stronger, Those young men were serving their country and the one(God Help Us) is their CinC!

677 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:56:16am

re: #674 Rustler

Lol my 647 was Foreshadowing on the movie I guess :P.
Or maybe it put the subconscious thought there to get yall thinking of it.

Rustler ... OMG ... I didn't even see that post ... that is so funny! ... you sending vibes through the computer? ... if so, send me some "get off your ass and get to work" vibes ...

678 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:56:17am

re: #669 reine.de.tout

I didn't think the statement was particularly "limp" until compared with the statement about Tiller's murder.

Now I have no issue with his statement on Tiller.
I just think the statement about the recruiting office incident should have been just as strong.


Military memebers don't fit his belief system like abortion doctors do.

679 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:57:08am

re: #675 rightside

Did he mention the problems he inherited?

Well he explicitly said that he disavows the last 8 years and will be nicer to the Muslim world from now on, especially since Islam was so crucial to the founding of America.

680 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:57:30am

re: #654 Killgore Trout

Malkin compares Obama's two statements on the murders of Tiller and Long. In both statements Obama makes a decent and appropriate expression of sympathy and condolence. But there is a subtle difference: in the Tiller statement, Obama makes reference to the disagreement over the domestic political issue of abortion, while in the Long statement Obama makes no mention of the issue of Islamic terrorism.

I'm guessing that on the eve of his speech in Cairo, Obama does not wish to say anything which could be construed as anti-Muslim. His comments, however carefully worded, would be seized upon by both Islamists and anti-Islamists.

681 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:57:48am

re: #673 soxfan4life

If he can't grow a pair at least get a backbone.

I wish I could grow a newbackbone...having back problems at MY age is way, way, WAY too early to be having them.

682 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:58:03am

re: #669 reine.de.tout

I didn't think the statement was particularly "limp" until compared with the statement about Tiller's murder.

Now I have no issue with his statement on Tiller.
I just think the statement about the recruiting office incident should have been just as strong.

The biggest issue I have is both incidents have striking similarities. Yet the coverage is hardly similar.

If anything the statement on Pvt. Long by the White House should have been sooner and stronger. Pvt. Long worked for the President.

683 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:58:03am

re: #680 Kenneth

Malkin compares Obama's two statements on the murders of Tiller and Long. In both statements Obama makes a decent and appropriate expression of sympathy and condolence. But there is a subtle difference: in the Tiller statement, Obama makes reference to the disagreement over the domestic political issue of abortion, while in the Long statement Obama makes no mention of the issue of Islamic terrorism.

I'm guessing that on the eve of his speech in Cairo, Obama does not wish to say anything which could be construed as anti-Muslim. His comments, however carefully worded, would be seized upon by both Islamists and anti-Islamists.

Yeah the truth sucks ha?

684 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:58:40am

re: #680 Kenneth

Malkin compares Obama's two statements on the murders of Tiller and Long. In both statements Obama makes a decent and appropriate expression of sympathy and condolence. But there is a subtle difference: in the Tiller statement, Obama makes reference to the disagreement over the domestic political issue of abortion, while in the Long statement Obama makes no mention of the issue of Islamic terrorism.

I'm guessing that on the eve of his speech in Cairo, Obama does not wish to say anything which could be construed as anti-Muslim. His comments, however carefully worded, would be seized upon by both Islamists and anti-Islamists.


His words will never be taken to be pro American

685 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:59:14am

re: #680 Kenneth


I'm guessing that on the eve of his speech in Cairo, Obama does not wish to say anything which could be construed as anti-Muslim. His comments, however carefully worded, would be seized upon by both Islamists and anti-Islamists.

That's a good point.

686 Rustler  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:59:33am

re: #676 pingjockey Apparantly our little Arkansas Jihadi was freshly returned from Yemen.

687 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 5:59:35am

re: #675 rightside

Did he mention the problems he inherited?

Abortion. Obama inherited the issue of abortion from Bush too.

688 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:00:07am

How was the speech? I assume it was the usual drivel about peace, anything new or interesting?

689 right_wing2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:00:09am

Why am I not surprised that Dr. Tiller's murder is getting about 20 times the press that the murder at the recruiting office is getting?

690 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:00:13am

re: #684 soxfan4life

His words will never be taken to be pro American

Now that would take one hell of a spin!

691 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:00:51am

re: #681 TheMatrix31


Sorry to hear about your back. Had back problems when I was in the Army .Moving something heavy in the motorpool threw out my back, never has been the same.

692 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:01:00am

re: #686 Rustler
I hear it's a wonderful vacation spot. ///

693 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:01:24am

re: #689 right_wing2

Because many people on the left, and especially in the media, were glad the soldiers were shot. Period.

694 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:01:35am

A Tribute to Men Staring at Boobs

695 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:01:36am

re: #688 Killgore Trout

How was the speech? I assume it was the usual drivel about peace, anything new or interesting?

Killgore ... well, did you know you are living in one of the largest Muslim countries? ... what are we up to now? 7 million? ...

/if you just substituted a few words it was ... um ... uh... a campaign speech ...

696 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:01:40am

re: #688 Killgore Trout

How was the speech? I assume it was the usual drivel about peace, anything new or interesting?

[Link: politics.theatlantic.com...]

697 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:01:42am

re: #688 Killgore Trout

How was the speech? I assume it was the usual drivel about peace, anything new or interesting?

Text of the speech.

698 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:02:25am

re: #688 Killgore Trout

How was the speech? I assume it was the usual drivel about peace, anything new or interesting?

At it's core- it was "hope and change", so no.

699 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:02:43am

re: #691 soxfan4life

Sorry to hear about your back. Had back problems when I was in the Army .Moving something heavy in the motorpool threw out my back, never has been the same.

Yeah, it's quite a bitch. I went to get some x-rays and they came out clean, so it must be a nerve issue rather than something structural.

700 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:03:14am

I read Obama's speech, and I'm still wondering cui bono?.

Early on, he quoted the Koran. "..whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind."

You'll find an identical sentence in the Talmud, tractate Sanhedrin, chapter 4, page 37A in the mishnah to this section.

701 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:03:37am

re: #697 reine.de.tout

Heh, You expect me to read it? That's what I was trying to avoid. maybe I'll wait until the movie comes out.

702 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:03:50am

re: #672 rightside

Words have meaning and show ones level of concern:

saddened = concern level = weak

shocked/outraged = concern level = strong

"words", "just words"

703 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:03:56am

This speech reminds me of something?

Peace in Our Time

[Link: www.life.com...]

704 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:04:59am

re: #701 Killgore Trout

Heh, You expect me to read it? That's what I was trying to avoid. maybe I'll wait until the movie comes out.

Then don't ask next time.

705 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:05:05am

re: #694 Killgore Trout

A Tribute to Men Staring at Boobs

[Video]

I was prepared to be offended, but that was funny!
(the guys in that look like idiots)

706 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:05:07am

Obama gets personal in outreach to Muslims

U.S. President Barack Obama wove his life's story and religious teachings Thursday as he reached out to the Muslim world from a podium in Cairo.
"I have come here to see a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world," Obama said during a speech at Cairo University in Egypt's ancient capital.

He said he recognized that overcoming mistrust and tensions building for decades won't happen overnight.

"But I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly the things we hold in our hearts," Obama told the audience estimated to be about 3,000.


Decades? Try Centuries.
Radical Islam has said want's in it's heart. YOU HAVEN'T BEEN LISTENING.

707 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:05:31am

re: #694 Killgore Trout

A Tribute to Men Staring at Boobs

[Video]

I'm surprised pamela didn't make the cut.

708 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:05:32am

I'm not sure I should even ask this question, but what the heck ...

does anyone else think that some days Obama shows potential, while on others he exasperates you to no end? So far, many of his actions don't appear that positive (car industry, economy, foreign policy). yet in other areas, he does show potential. i'm sure many will disagree with me on this, but I thought Obama might well be calling iran's bluff with the nuclear power statement. Obama is undeniably smart in some areas and misguided in others. But he is just over 4 months into the job. My biggest complaints are these two:

1. He's trying to do too much at once and needs to SLOW DOWN.
2. He is never out of the campaign mode. Mr. Prez: "You Won."

Now he needs to make tough choices based on good judgment. THAT is his job.

709 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:06:15am

re: #701 Killgore Trout

Heh, You expect me to read it? That's what I was trying to avoid. maybe I'll wait until the movie comes out.

I don't expect you to do anything.
It's there if you want to know.

710 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:06:26am

re: #702 1SG(ret)

Words have meaning and show ones level of concern:

saddened = concern level = weak

shocked/outraged = concern level = strong

"words", "just words"

Words and actions have meanings.

The world is watching and weighing.

Obama has been found wanting.

The Thugs are getting restless.

711 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:07:02am

re: #708 _RememberTonyC

I'm not sure I should even ask this question, but what the heck ...

does anyone else think that some days Obama shows potential, while on others he exasperates you to no end? So far, many of his actions don't appear that positive (car industry, economy, foreign policy). yet in other areas, he does show potential. i'm sure many will disagree with me on this, but I thought Obama might well be calling iran's bluff with the nuclear power statement. Obama is undeniably smart in some areas and misguided in others. But he is just over 4 months into the job. My biggest complaints are these two:

1. He's trying to do too much at once and needs to SLOW DOWN.
2. He is never out of the campaign mode. Mr. Prez: "You Won."

Now he needs to make tough choices based on good judgment. THAT is his job.

re: #708 _RememberTonyC

I'm not sure I should even ask this question, but what the heck ...

does anyone else think that some days Obama shows potential, while on others he exasperates you to no end? So far, many of his actions don't appear that positive (car industry, economy, foreign policy). yet in other areas, he does show potential. i'm sure many will disagree with me on this, but I thought Obama might well be calling iran's bluff with the nuclear power statement. Obama is undeniably smart in some areas and misguided in others. But he is just over 4 months into the job. My biggest complaints are these two:

1. He's trying to do too much at once and needs to SLOW DOWN.
2. He is never out of the campaign mode. Mr. Prez: "You Won."

Now he needs to make tough choices based on good judgment. THAT is his job.

He's proven throughout his life that his judgment is awful.

712 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:07:13am

re: #688 Killgore Trout

Reactions as expected:

INSTANT VIEW: Reaction after Obama addresses Muslims

[...]

HASSAN FADLALLAH, LAWMAKER FOR LEBANON'S HEZBOLLAH

"The Islamic world does not need moral or political sermons. It needs a fundamental change in American policy beginning from a halt to complete support for Israeli aggression on the region, especially on Lebanese and Palestinians, to an American withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan and a stop to its interference in the affairs of Islamic countries."

"The U.S. administration bears the responsibility for the problems that Obama presented. Violence in the region, the source of which is the Zionist entity, American wars, and the attempts to plant rifts between sects is an American project."

[...]

MOHAMMAD MARANDI, HEAD OF NORTH AMERICAN STUDIES AT TEHRAN

UNIVERSITY

"With regard to Iran the tone is significantly more positive than before, compared to the previous (U.S.) administration, though still in some aspects negative. But I think Iranians alongside the people of the region expect the same change that Obama was promising to the American people, for American policies in the Middle East region as well. America has to change. Talking is not enough. He can make a few more speeches but people are starting to ask: What are you going to change? The U.S. has to re-evaluate its policies toward the region, whether toward Iran, or whether toward Palestine."

"As long as racism and apartheid continue to exist in Palestine there will be no peace in the region. We will not have peace as long as racism and apartheid continue in Palestine."

[...]

Those of course were expected. There were some positive responses:

MOHAMED HABIB, MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD DEPUTY LEADER

"It's a public relations address more than anything else."

"There's an unjust perspective on the part of the American president toward the Palestinian issue, one that does not differ from former President Bush's and the neoconservatives' perspective."

Ok, maybe that wasn't so positive... moving on:

KHALIL AL-ANANI, POLITICAL ANALYST AT AHRAM FOUNDATION

"This speech was very inspiring and I think many people will welcome it, because he tried to be neutral and honest and objective."

"The reaction of the audience was very impressive because all the people welcomed his words and gave it huge applause. I think he inspired the whole audience."

See, somebody liked it.

713 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:07:51am

re: #710 jcm

Words and actions have meanings.

The world is watching and weighing.

Obama has been found wanting.

The Thugs are getting restless.

jcm ... symbolism is more important in some parts of the world than others ... especially some areas who do not like us very much ...

714 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:08:52am

13:59 Obama: We will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities

Or heads will roll?

715 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:09:46am

re: #713 JacksonTn

jcm ... symbolism is more important in some parts of the world than others ... especially some areas who do not like us very much ...

Very true.
Obama his handlers and State are clueless.

716 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:10:02am

re: #714 Nevergiveup

13:59 Obama: We will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities

Or heads will roll?

NGU ... why? ... they mostly want to come here to study? ... I don't get that part at all ...

717 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:10:11am

711--

And I've proven that my ability to quote post properly is awful too!

718 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:11:20am

re: #716 JacksonTn

NGU ... why? ... they mostly want to come here to study? ... I don't get that part at all ...

So we can learn to understand them and see that we were wrong about them all along of course? Get with the program. Ah but of course JEWS need not apply.

719 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:12:09am

re: #711 TheMatrix31

He's proven throughout his life that his judgment is awful.


in many areas he has. but sometimes people do learn after they've been bitch slapped by reality. he can go two ways:

1. give in and be the world's punk (or)
2. smarten up, man up, and make the right calls most of the time.

It could go either way ...

720 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:12:12am

re: #717 TheMatrix31

711--

And I've proven that my ability to quote post properly is awful too!

Squeeze the trigger with one smooth action...

721 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:12:16am

Off to yoga!

Y'all have a great day!

722 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:12:53am

re: #711 TheMatrix31
The presidents "World View" has been influenced by
all the wrong people...Too many to mention.
But we know who...
He was "damaged goods" before he Graduated law school!
IMHO
Goodmorning ...

723 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:12:54am

re: #721 reine.de.tout

Off to yoga!

Y'all have a great day!

Ohhhmmm!
Ohhhmmm!

724 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:12:56am

re: #720 jcm

Squeeze the trigger with one smooth action...

And when in doubt, empty the magazine.

725 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:12:59am

re: #718 Nevergiveup

So we can learn to understand them and see that we were wrong about them all along of course? Get with the program. Ah but of course JEWS need not apply.

NGU ... I don't have children going to college now but even if I did ... the last place I would send them is to study in the middle east ... why? ... that IMO was a very weird thing for him to say ... Who would want to send their daughter (or son but really not daughter) to study there? ...

726 KenJen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:13:02am

I didn't listen to the speech. I hit the mute button most times when I see Obama. I did see that a fly sat on his forehead for a good 10 seconds or more and the Secret Service did nothing.

727 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:13:18am

re: #700 John Neverbend

I read Obama's speech, and I'm still wondering cui bono?.

Early on, he quoted the Koran. "..whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind."

You'll find an identical sentence in the Talmud, tractate Sanhedrin, chapter 4, page 37A in the mishnah to this section.

The author Obama was quoting was a notorious plagiarist.

728 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:13:29am

re: #722 reloadingisnotahobby

The presidents "World View" has been influenced by
all the wrong people...Too many to mention.
But we know who...
He was "damaged goods" before he Graduated law school!
IMHO
Goodmorning ...

DING!

729 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:14:04am

re: #727 Kenneth

The author Obama was quoting was a notorious plagiarist.

And pedophile...

730 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:14:11am

13:58 Obama: Muslim communities have always been at forefront of innovation, education

What's the word I'm looking for? Hum? Ah well BULLSHIT will have to do I guess.

731 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:14:46am

re: #725 JacksonTn

Yeah, there are very few scholastic disciplines that would benefit from studying in the middle east. Most of them fall under History in the college course list.

732 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:14:47am

re: #725 JacksonTn

NGU ... I don't have children going to college now but even if I did ... the last place I would send them is to study in the middle east ... why? ... that IMO was a very weird thing for him to say ... Who would want to send their daughter (or son but really not daughter) to study there? ...

The headless horseman?

733 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:15:09am

re: #705 reine.de.tout

I was prepared to be offended, but that was funny!
(the guys in that look like idiots)

It's a guy thing. MRI & EEG studies have demonstrated men lose on average 10 IQ points when in the presence of busty women. We can't help it.

734 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:15:11am

re: #726 KenJen

I didn't listen to the speech. I hit the mute button most times when I see Obama. I did see that a fly sat on his forehead for a good 10 seconds or more and the Secret Service did nothing.


i hope it wasn't carrying the swine flu from all those healthy pigs the government ordered killed.


/

735 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:15:55am

re: #718 Nevergiveup

So we can learn to understand them and see that we were wrong about them all along of course? Get with the program. Ah but of course JEWS need not apply.


When will 0 start denying the holocaust? And if establishing a Palestinian State is so important to the Arabs why can't they give up some land for it not just Israel? If Bibi hasn't figure out 0 is no friend of Israel by now he never will.

736 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:16:25am

re: #734 _RememberTonyC

Think of the ...BACON !
Oh,The horror!

737 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:16:55am

Good morning all.
What may have happened to the Airbus that crashed.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

"In addition, the storms were towering up to 50,000 feet and would have been producing lightning. The Air France plane would have encountered these stormy conditions, which could have resulted in either some structural failure or electrical failure."

A pilot once told me that Airbus uses a thinner metal skin.

738 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:17:05am

re: #731 ConservatismNow!

Yeah, there are very few scholastic disciplines that would benefit from studying in the middle east. Most of them fall under History in the college course list.

Pseudo-History maybe?

739 enoughalready  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:17:07am

re: #640 _RememberTonyC

The mosques will preach antisemitism because that is simply in their DNA.

Since mosques don't have DNA (and don't preach either but I will assume you are referring to imams) this statement made me wonder. Are you saying that muslims are genetically predisposed to antisemitism? This sounds a bit... dumb.

740 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:17:41am

re: #705 reine.de.tout

(the guys in that look like idiots)

We can't help it. We're stuck like this.
;)

741 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:17:51am

re: #735 soxfan4life

When will 0 start denying the holocaust? And if establishing a Palestinian State is so important to the Arabs why can't they give up some land for it not just Israel? If Bibi hasn't figure out 0 is no friend of Israel by now he never will.

Bibi ain't the problem, it's American Jews.

742 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:18:04am

re: #736 reloadingisnotahobby

Think of the ...BACON !
Oh,The horror!


mmm bacon

743 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:18:39am

re: #735 soxfan4life

When will 0 start denying the holocaust? And if establishing a Palestinian State is so important to the Arabs why can't they give up some land for it not just Israel? If Bibi hasn't figure out 0 is no friend of Israel by now he never will.

Land isn't the problem with a Palestinian state. They've got land already, after a fashion. The problem is that they are unable to govern themselves. Until they're able to do that, giving them land will only expand the ungoverned chaos and blight they choose to live in.

744 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:18:48am

re: #735 soxfan4life

When will 0 start denying the holocaust?


The reason I down-dinged you was because of this statement. President Obama directly addressed holocaust-denial in this speech, early on. It was the right thing for him to do.

745 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:18:48am

Okay, one thing before I get my butt working ...

Obama says Iran has the right to "peaceful" nuke power ... so is that end of it? ... they can go ahead? ... no more discussion? ... am I crazy or did he just tell Dinnerjacket to go ahead ... somebody tell me what it means? ...

/I am thinking Israel did not like that part of the speech ...

Have a great day Lizards! ...

746 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:19:10am

Interest bit of video.

President Obama and King Abdallah in a receiving line.

What the handshakes closely, a couple of dignitaries skip Obama...

747 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:19:15am

re: #738 Nevergiveup

Pseudo-History maybe?

In some cases, yes. I was thinking more along the lines of Egyptology, paleontology, and archaeology. Y'know, digging stuff out of the sand.

748 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:19:54am

re: #747 ConservatismNow!

In some cases, yes. I was thinking more along the lines of Egyptology, paleontology, and archaeology. Y'know, digging stuff out of the sand.

Archeology.

749 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:19:58am

re: #737 FrogMarch

Good morning all.
What may have happened to the Airbus that crashed.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]


A pilot once told me that Airbus uses a thinner metal skin.


From what I saw this morning it was quite catastrophic, at least with the loss of cabin pressure the passengers were unconscious within 30 seconds and did not have to experience the fear and panic for an extended period of time.

750 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:20:47am

re: #712 freetoken

It seemed like a stupid thing and a waste of time. Speeches don't change anything by themselves and pretty much everybody knows that. The last speech that actually changed anything was MLK's "I have a dream" and that's onyl because it was backed by actions.

751 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:21:33am

re: #730 Nevergiveup

13:58 Obama: Muslim communities have always been at forefront of innovation, education

What's the word I'm looking for? Hum? Ah well BULLSHIT will have to do I guess.

Let's see...
First to fly commercial airliners into buildings.
First to use Downs kids as suicide bombers.

Yep, I have to agree with Obama.
///

752 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:21:52am

re: #750 Killgore Trout

It seemed like a stupid thing and a waste of time. Speeches don't change anything by themselves and pretty much everybody knows that. The last speech that actually changed anything was MLK's "I have a dream" and that's onyl because it was backed by actions.

It was a nice speech, but what did the speech actually do?

753 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:22:51am

I am depressed. Really, deeply, depressed. The "hope" is gone and it has sunk in that I will never, ever again find a job in my industry which 0bama has destroyed, and told us that we should be proud of our "sacrifice."

A career change at my age is not easy. I have no clue how to apply for or create my own "green job."

At least I do not have any debt.

754 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:23:20am

re: #707 Sharmuta

That's why it's so tough being a guy. You guys do this to us on purpose. Crazy Pam is waving those puppies around at political conferences. I'll bet there are some really funny pictures out there.

755 KenJen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:23:26am

re: #734 _RememberTonyC

i hope it wasn't carrying the swine flu from all those healthy pigs the government ordered killed.


/

"Something went very wrong in the lab today"."Be afraid, Be very afraid". ...Jeff Goldblum--The Fly. Half man Half insect. Total terror.

756 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:23:43am

re: #608 quickjustice

Uh, weasel-- "shiksa" means a "zit" or a "blemish". It's an unflattering way for a Jewish female to refer to a non-Jewish counterpart.


It's also used affectionately in some places, believe me. It's a kind of subversion pf the original meaning.

757 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:23:47am

re: #753 Alouette

I am depressed. Really, deeply, depressed. The "hope" is gone and it has sunk in that I will never, ever again find a job in my industry which 0bama has destroyed, and told us that we should be proud of our "sacrifice."

A career change at my age is not easy. I have no clue how to apply for or create my own "green job."

At least I do not have any debt.

What industry is that?

758 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:23:51am

re: #749 soxfan4life

From what I saw this morning it was quite catastrophic, at least with the loss of cabin pressure the passengers were unconscious within 30 seconds and did not have to experience the fear and panic for an extended period of time.

The deteriorating situation over 13 or 14 minutes tends to rule against a bomb.

759 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:24:11am
760 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:24:26am

re: #757 Nevergiveup

What industry is that?

Automotive. 20 years.

761 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:24:38am

re: #753 Alouette

Hang in there. It looks like the economy is starting to improve. Maybe something will turn up soon. What's your field?

762 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:24:50am

re: #760 Alouette

Automotive. 20 years.

Really, what do you do?

763 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:25:09am

re: #739 enoughalready

Since mosques don't have DNA (and don't preach either but I will assume you are referring to imams) this statement made me wonder. Are you saying that muslims are genetically predisposed to antisemitism? This sounds a bit... dumb.


OK wise ass ... thanks for the science lesson. Riddle me this ... what percentage of imams regularly preach about Jews in a positive way? I won't hold my breath waiting for your answer. Would you say it's less than 5% ? In the part of my post that you didn't cite, I refered to the majority of muslims. Every poll I have seen backs that up.

764 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:25:12am

re: #760 Alouette

Automotive. 20 years.

Bummer. That's going to be a tough one.

765 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:25:24am

re: #762 Nevergiveup

Really, what do you do?

I did all kinds of IT support for vehicle engineering.

766 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:25:39am

re: #758 jcm

The deteriorating situation over 13 or 14 minutes tends to rule against a bomb.

Seems like the computer went out. I wonder if there was some kind of EMP from the storms.

767 enoughalready  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:25:44am

re: #760 Alouette

Automotive. 20 years.

As much as I dislike the current policy my personal point of view is that the automotive industry in the US dug it's own grave. Very enthusiastically.

768 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:25:54am

re: #754 Killgore Trout

That's why it's so tough being a guy. You guys do this to us on purpose. Crazy Pam is waving those puppies around at political conferences. I'll bet there are some really funny pictures out there.

Some girls do that. And that's because it works.

769 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:25:59am

re: #756 iceweasel

It's also used affectionately in some places, believe me. It's a kind of subversion pf the original meaning.

That word reminds me of Seinfeld and Elaine's Shisk-appeal.

770 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:26:06am

re: #750 Killgore Trout

Was it a waste of time? Maybe. Certainly the early reactions in the Reuters article to which I linked would indicate that the speech had no traction among the more radical Islamic leaders in the region.

However, speeches have many audiences. Part of me believes that exercises like this one are done in part to play to crowds outside the immediate area of concern.

771 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:26:10am

Obamamandius speaks:

Now, part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I'm a Christian. But my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk.

It took him three full paragraphs, but he did manage to get around to the central issue: I Obama!

As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith. As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like Al-Azhar that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's renaissance and enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities...

Ahh... the old "Islam brought the Renaissance to Europe" canard. But wait, the One goes further and adds the Enlightenment too! This will come as a surprise to anybody who studied the European philosophers who shook off centuries of religious dogma to build a rationalist approach to knowledge & learning.

"As a student of history..."


By the way, one of his student days room-mates said Obama hated the mandatory history classes and could not be forced to read it. On the other, Bush holds a degree in history from Yale and has continued to read history books throughout his life.

772 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:27:00am

re: #739 enoughalready
It was a metaphor!

773 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:27:08am

re: #765 Alouette

I did all kinds of IT support for vehicle engineering.

Wow. Sorry to hear that. Dentistry isn't the greatest, but at least I will always have a job.

774 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:27:20am

Well, I did a quick surf through the MSM reaction to the Messiah's address this morning.

The general spin is this:

1. The air is fresher now

2. The sun is shinning brighter.

3. The world is now filled with peace. love, and happiness.

4. Greatest speech since Gettysburg

775 enoughalready  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:27:42am

re: #763 _RememberTonyC

OK wise ass ... thanks for the science lesson. Riddle me this ... what percentage of imams regularly preach about Jews in a positive way? I won't hold my breath waiting for your answer. Would you say it's less than 5% ? In the part of my post that you didn't cite, I refered to the majority of muslims. Every poll I have seen backs that up.

I have no idea. But using terms like "in their DNA" is just plain dumb. It's not in anyone's DNA to be antisemitic. The problem with antisemitic clerics in Islam is well known as is the fact that it is preached regularly. But if that's what you want to say then perhaps you may want to do it in some way that doesn't imply that anti semitism is encoded in the genetic material.

776 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:27:42am

I started a little website about 10 years ago, just for fun, and expanded into the Zionist Mall. Right now it's my primary source of income, which is not much.

I'd like to find all the specialty little craft boutiques that are all over Israel and sell their stuff from my site.

777 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:27:53am

re: #753 Alouette

I am depressed. Really, deeply, depressed. The "hope" is gone and it has sunk in that I will never, ever again find a job in my industry which 0bama has destroyed, and told us that we should be proud of our "sacrifice."

A career change at my age is not easy. I have no clue how to apply for or create my own "green job."

At least I do not have any debt.

Many skills are usable across the spectrum.
Break you skill set's down, analysis what's useable elsewhere.

You might be surprised. There are employers who believe "old age and treachery will defeat youth and agility."

Keep your head up!

778 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:28:08am

re: #725 JacksonTn

NGU ... I don't have children going to college now but even if I did ... the last place I would send them is to study in the middle east ... why? ... that IMO was a very weird thing for him to say ... Who would want to send their daughter (or son but really not daughter) to study there? ...

Maybe Obama didn't mean in the Middle East, but in America, which is as we have been told by His Oneness, "...one of the largest Muslim countries in the world".

779 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:28:44am

re: #774 3 wood

Well, I did a quick surf through the MSM reaction to the Messiah's address this morning.

The general spin is this:

1. The air is fresher now

2. The sun is shinning brighter.

3. The world is now filled with peace. love, and happiness.

4. Greatest speech since Gettysburg

And Army Pvt. William Andrew Long is still dead!

780 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:28:53am

re: #772 pingjockey

It was a metaphor!

some people have no appreciation of creative writing

781 KenJen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:29:49am

re: #776 Alouette

Very nice!

782 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:30:04am

re: #765 Alouette

Sound to me you could fit into ANY manufactuing induntry!
This IT support...was the physical end use ie CNC machines or Robotics or !
You've obviously got a BIG brain goin on!
(or you wouldn't be here)LOL
Hope something comes your way soon .
Yet your in better shape than Most people!

783 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:30:30am

re: #778 Kenneth
IIRC, you could send your kid to almost any major college and they'd get the same education here as over there, Jews = evil, Palis = good.

784 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:31:49am

re: #783 pingjockey

IIRC, you could send your kid to almost any major college and they'd get the same education here as over there, Jews = evil, Palis = good.

Don't forget the USA is the root of all the world's problems part.

785 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:32:12am

re: #782 reloadingisnotahobby

Sound to me you could fit into ANY manufactuing induntry!
This IT support...was the physical end use ie CNC machines or Robotics or !
You've obviously got a BIG brain goin on!
(or you wouldn't be here)LOL
Hope something comes your way soon .
Yet your in better shape than Most people!

I did PLC programming (Allen Bradley, Siemens) at the very beginning of my career, in the mid 80's. I'm sure the technology has changed a lot since then.

786 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:32:24am

re: #708 _RememberTonyC

but I thought Obama might well be calling iran's bluff with the nuclear power statement.

Talking means absolutely nothing to that part of the world, other than signaling than you are too weak to take any action.

787 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:32:29am

re: #775 enoughalready

I have no idea. But using terms like "in their DNA" is just plain dumb. It's not in anyone's DNA to be antisemitic. The problem with antisemitic clerics in Islam is well known as is the fact that it is preached regularly. But if that's what you want to say then perhaps you may want to do it in some way that doesn't imply that anti semitism is encoded in the genetic material.

Dude ... get a grip ... I'm not a rocket scientist or a genetic expert. And if YOU are, don't waste your breath on me. I'm making a point about how the majority of mosques do not preach tolerance of Jews. If you want to discuss the DNA of Bedouins, go wo webmd.com.

788 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:32:38am

U.S. President Barack Obama's speech to the Muslim world on Thursday was a "good start" towards a new U.S. policy in the Middle East, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Yeah, and that's the problem, because we all know where the Arab finish line is!

789 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:33:05am

re: #774 3 wood

Well, I did a quick surf through the MSM reaction to the Messiah's address this morning.

The general spin is this:

1. The air is fresher now

2. The sun is shinning brighter.

3. The world is now filled with peace. love, and happiness.

4. Greatest speech since Gettysburg in the history in the universe.


FTFY

790 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:34:10am

re: #766 soxfan4life

Seems like the computer went out. I wonder if there was some kind of EMP from the storms.

Looking more possible, an lightning strike fries some electrical systems, this leads to a failure cascade and ultimately the ability to control the aircraft. Or worse the computer decides to make in appropriate control decisions, the aircraft gets over stressed and breaks up.

791 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:34:11am

A short documentary...
UNDERCOVER WITH THE BNP

792 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:34:41am

re: #786 3 wood

Talking means absolutely nothing to that part of the world, other than signaling than you are too weak to take any action.

unless he MAY BE READY to use the military against iran. or at least butts out if Israel acts.

793 sadhu  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:35:18am

President moustache?

794 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:35:38am

re: #787 _RememberTonyC

Dude ... get a grip ... I'm not a rocket scientist or a genetic expert. And if YOU are, don't waste your breath on me. I'm making a point about how the majority of mosques do not preach tolerance of Jews. If you want to discuss the DNA of Bedouins, go wo webmd.com.


Hatered and intolerance do seem to be deeply embedded with Muslims. Not only with the way they react with Israel but the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans and the atrocities committed daily in Africa. If Islam is peace I'll pass on it.

795 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:35:41am

re: #785 Alouette

I did PLC programming (Allen Bradley, Siemens) at the very beginning of my career, in the mid 80's. I'm sure the technology has changed a lot since then.

Military aerospace is another possibility. Lots of programming and other IT skills required on may programs. It's somewhat location dependent - there are large concentrations of jobs in California and in the DC area, but there's a thin smattering elsewhere, too.

Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics would be good places to start looking.

796 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:35:57am

re: #793 sadhu

President moustache?

What's a Hussein without a stache?

797 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:36:00am

re: #792 _RememberTonyC

unless he MAY BE READY to use the military against iran. or at least butts out if Israel acts.

He has already told Israel:
1) don't you dare attack Iran
2) Come up with s suicide plan for peace or else
3) No sex on the West Bank

798 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:36:37am

re: #791 Killgore Trout

Apparently we won't know until Sunday what the results are, as different EU nations vote on different days.

799 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:36:43am

re: #785 Alouette

I'm not in the IT end of anything,nor do I play one on TV...
But I do maintain a state of the art IT facilty for the State.
When the up grade I'm AMAZED as equip gets smaller yet the
capacity increases by sometime 300 -1000 %!
Keeping this build "cool" take a great deal of my time!

800 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:37:17am

re: #791 Killgore Trout

They mention Vlaams Belang and FN at 4:00.

801 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:37:17am

Oh dear... Obama spread the bullshit. This is like spearing fish in a barrel:

It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra (1), our magnetic compass (2) and tools of navigation (3), our mastery of pens and printing (4), our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches (5) and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music (6), elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. (7)

1. Algebra was invented by Indian mathematicians in the 1ist & 2nd centuries. Persians and Arabs did extend it further.

2. Magnetic Compass
The magnetic compass is an old Chinese invention, probably first made in China during the Qin dynasty (221-206 B.C.).

3. The sextant was also a Chinese invention.

4. Movable type and printing was a Chinese invention.

5. Greek & Gothic architects working for Muslim conquerors built the arches of the early great mosques.

6. Name one Muslim composer of serious music. There are none. There is no tradition of liturgical or artistic music in Islamic history. The only musical traditions are folk music and military marches.

7. Darfur.

802 Picayune  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:37:25am

re: #638 JacksonTn

Reine
... I always have to laugh when someone says ... "you don't sound like
you are from New Orleans" ... and I say "Well, then you don't know what
someone from New Orleans sounds like" ... they think people from N.O.
have a french accent ... ha ... movies! ... I try to tell them only
people from the acadiana parishes have that accent ... actually in New
Orleans it depends on what neighborhood you come from ... so many
different accents within the city ...


"Yea Ya Right!"

Moving to Houston in the early 80's from the Garden District (in NOLA), I was often asked by new acquaintances at Oil & Gas Marketing mixers if I was from NYNY.

I always replied: "No, a foreign country." Which one? "Louisiana", said I with a straight face, which always drew smiles and laughs.

Correct, NOLA does have many different ascents, and due to the Irish Catholic teachers that taught school in both NYNY and parts of NOLA in the mid 1800s, there is a striking similarity between the classic Bronx accent and the YATS (as in, Where Ya At?) of NOLA. However, the Garden District and Uptown "New Awelyins" has "Culcha" and is not part of "Yat City!" Language and speech in NOLA is a hoot!

And... NOLA is Parisian French, while Cajun Country is Acadian French (Nova Scotia derived) and the cultures are different, regardless of Hollywood's consistent conflation and erroneous portrayal of this region. Mainly, we laugh it off, and enjoy all the movies that have been shot here the last sixty years.

Thanks for taking notice. (It is TENNessee, not TenneSSEE, right?)

As to Bama's act in Cairo, ain't it grand that he says that the world's largest exporter of terrorism, Iran, has a right to nuke power? We all know how that's going to work, just like it has the past 19 years in N Korea! But hey, nice delivery though.

803 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:37:38am

In today's speech Obama NEVER mentioned the words: TERROR, TERRORISM, TERRORIST?

804 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:38:20am

re: #798 freetoken

It's such a bummer that the BNP is going to make gains.

805 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:38:57am

Later folks!

806 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:39:25am

Gee Meygen Kelly looks great. 6 months pregnant.

807 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:39:32am

re: #801 Kenneth

Oh dear... Obama spread the bullshit. This is like spearing fish in a barrel:

1. Algebra was invented by Indian mathematicians in the 1ist & 2nd centuries. Persians and Arabs did extend it further.

2. Magnetic Compass
The magnetic compass is an old Chinese invention, probably first made in China during the Qin dynasty (221-206 B.C.).

3. The sextant was also a Chinese invention.

4. Movable type and printing was a Chinese invention.

5. Greek & Gothic architects working for Muslim conquerors built the arches of the early great mosques.

6. Name one Muslim composer of serious music. There are none. There is no tradition of liturgical or artistic music in Islamic history. The only musical traditions are folk music and military marches.

7. Darfur.

If you look at who was innovative in the Middle East it wasn't Islam, if anyone was progressive it was the Persian Culture.

808 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:40:04am

re: #803 Nevergiveup

In today's speech Obama NEVER mentioned the words: TERROR, TERRORISM, TERRORIST?

Why should he? It wasn't about the murder of Tiller, it was about the ROP.

809 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:40:20am

re: #788 Nevergiveup

U.S. President Barack Obama's speech to the Muslim world on Thursday was a "good start" towards a new U.S. policy in the Middle East, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Yeah, and that's the problem, because we all know where the Arab finish line is!

In general, I can't think of any time when a middle east government has ever made any concession or compromise in regards to any politic overtures. If the administration actually believes that anything they say in to anyone in that region is going to effect some sort of "change" then they have really taken their "hope" campaign too seriously.

810 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:40:32am

re: #806 Nevergiveup
Meygan always looks great...
Gazzz...

811 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:40:57am

re: #804 Killgore Trout

It's such a bummer that the BNP is going to make gains.

Did you see my links last night about dutch politics?

812 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:41:16am

re: #797 Nevergiveup

He has already told Israel:
1) don't you dare attack Iran
2) Come up with s suicide plan for peace or else
3) No sex on the West Bank


Understood. And here's what Israel will do:

1) We'll try not to do it, but no promises.
2) Drag its feet as much as possible. Obama will not destroy Israel in 4 or 8 years.
3) Israelis are party animals! No promises on that one either.

813 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:42:00am

re: #807 jcm

At different times in different places there were "advances" within the ancient Muslim empires. For a while in Muslim Spain, Ottoman Turkey, Persia etc. But in each of these cases the advances produced a reaction which stopped all further progress.

814 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:42:06am

Good morning y'all - from a warm (72 degrees but only going up to 79 degrees, with heavy T-storms predicted) cloudy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone today?

815 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:42:07am

re: #804 Killgore Trout

It will be interesting to see how many seats the various far right parties pick up. Remember though, there are over 700 seats in total! (talk about an impossible bureaucracy! )

816 KenJen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:43:17am

re: #803 Nevergiveup

In today's speech Obama NEVER mentioned the words: TERROR, TERRORISM, TERRORIST?

Did he mention man made disasters?/

817 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:43:24am
818 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:43:45am

re: #795 SixDegrees

Military aerospace is another possibility. Lots of programming and other IT skills required on may programs. It's somewhat location dependent - there are large concentrations of jobs in California and in the DC area, but there's a thin smattering elsewhere, too.

Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics would be good places to start looking.

I don't want to burst your bubble, but the aerospace industry is laying off heavily right now too.

819 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:43:45am

It's all about Obama.

The shear force of his personality will deflect the trajectory of Islam over the last 17 centuries, get Thugs to give up power and result in whirled peas.

820 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:44:28am

From the Washington Times:

Obama in Cairo

821 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:44:52am

re: #814 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a warm (72 degrees but only going up to 79 degrees, with heavy T-storms predicted) cloudy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone today?

Hey, {real}...and {all the rest of y'all}
Thunderstorms predicted here in the deeep south, as well. My tomato plants need watering, anyway.

822 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:45:20am

re: #765 Alouette

I did all kinds of IT support for vehicle engineering.

Which means you have technical skills, and that is transferable to other industries. You have a lot of experience, that will count for something.

Keep your chin up and keep plugging away.

I changed careers last fall due to early retirement, and very happy now. It's possible to do.

823 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:45:31am
"So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed (1). That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. (2) And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear (3)."

1. Now that's a revealing word!
2. Would be that it were so!
3. Funny, I didn't see that bit about defending Islam in the US Constitution!

824 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:45:35am

re: #814 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a warm (72 degrees but only going up to 79 degrees, with heavy T-storms predicted) cloudy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone today?

Fine, from a cloudy, foggy Golden Colorado. It is 46 degrees here (chilly) going up to 80, violent thunderstorms, hail and high winds predicted for this afternoon/evening.

If it get to 80 degrees, I hope it stays up there for a bit. My gosh, it was almost freezing Tue. night when I was up in the Rockies 25 miles from here.

I'm ready for some warmth.

825 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:46:22am

The replacement project for the HH-53 has been canceled.

Air Force officially ends Boeing chopper contract

The Air Force formally said Tuesday that it is formally terminating a contract with Boeing Co. for work on a new fleet of helicopters to rescue downed pilots, part of Defense Secretary Robert Gates' plan to reassess troubled program.
826 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:46:38am

re: #794 soxfan4life

Hatered and intolerance do seem to be deeply embedded with Muslims. Not only with the way they react with Israel but the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans and the atrocities committed daily in Africa. If Islam is peace I'll pass on it.


Sox Fan ... nature or nurture ... or ... nature AND nurture?

827 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:47:14am

re: #682 jcm

The biggest issue I have is both incidents have striking similarities. Yet the coverage is hardly similar.

If anything the statement on Pvt. Long by the White House should have been sooner and stronger. Pvt. Long worked for the President.

The problem is, he doesn't give a flip about the troops.

828 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:47:24am
829 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:47:26am

re: #487 Sharmuta

I agree with freetoken. They will think he lectured them, yet the rest of the world will think he took a brave stand (never mind Bush was sasying about the same sorts of things).

Not happy about increased student visas.

Hi Sharm! Thank you for your play-by-play of the speech this morning. Even though I was not able to view in realtime I got a good sense of what was discussed. Thanks!

830 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:47:52am

re: #792 _RememberTonyC

unless he MAY BE READY to use the military against iran. or at least butts out if Israel acts.

I'm talking about how that part of the world see's foreign policy. It boils down to, if you are willing to take action, you do. If you are unwilling to take action, you talk.

Have you read Kissinger's book Diplomacy? If not, I highly recommend it.

831 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:48:01am

re: #829 Bloodnok

Hi Sharm! Thank you for your play-by-play of the speech this morning. Even though I was not able to view in realtime I got a good sense of what was discussed. Thanks!

No problem- glad I could help.

832 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:48:07am

re: #821 redstateredneck
Howdy {red}! Hope you're well today! Makes me feel better that you're supposed to get T-Storms too - not cause I want you to get them, but we have to go out and do a LOT of chores TODAY and naturally I figured that's the reason we're getting T-Storms! LOL!

833 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:48:22am

re: #823 Kenneth

1. Now that's a revealing word!
2. Would be that it were so!
3. Funny, I didn't see that bit about defending Islam in the US Constitution!

Great Allah's gall bladder... Is Obama actually trying to give fodder to the "sekrit muzlim" nuts?!

(And good morning. Posting from me will be light.)

834 Irish Rose  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:48:31am

Good morning, lizards... a beautiful sunny morning here along the Lake Michigan shoreline, with a nice mid-70's day on tap.

According to all the news outlets and the blogosphere, the sky is falling!
How can you all just sit here, and do nothing?

///

835 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:49:07am

gonna grab a walk before work ... bbl

836 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:49:23am

Obama said in his speech that

The "situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable"

But just the other day Abbas said the Palestinians are NOT going to negotiate with the Israelis till Obama brings down the present Israeli Government. And that's OK with him since life is OK for the Palestinians?

Do there guys ever talk? Somebody is lying?

837 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:49:33am
"But let us be clear. Al Qaida killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women, and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet Al Qaida chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale."

I am glad he said that clearly and forcefully in the land at the heart of 9-11 denial.

838 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:50:11am

It's interesting to compare Obama's speech with that given by George W. Bush at Sharm el Sheikh just over 1 year ago.

Bush at the World Economic Forum

839 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:50:18am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

840 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:50:32am

re: #825 jcm

The replacement project for the HH-53 has been canceled.

Air Force officially ends Boeing chopper contract

Gates doing 0bama's dirty work.

841 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:50:47am

re: #824 Walter L. Newton

Fine, from a cloudy, foggy Golden Colorado. It is 46 degrees here (chilly) going up to 80, violent thunderstorms, hail and high winds predicted for this afternoon/evening.

If it get to 80 degrees, I hope it stays up there for a bit. My gosh, it was almost freezing Tue. night when I was up in the Rockies 25 miles from here.

I'm ready for some warmth.


It didn't take me long when I moved to Colorado to learn to carry a jacket or sweater with me if I was going to be out after dark no matter what the temp was at the time.

842 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:50:48am

re: #828 buzzsawmonkey

That, and his mad careen towards creating a terrorist Monaco for the "Palestinians" to play in, are what made his speech disgusting.

And, as a fellow NPR-listening masochist, I'm sure you, too heard them this morning gushing about how Obama represented a "fresh start" to the problem by proposing... now, hang on to your hats... a two-state solution! Nobody has ever thought of such an incredibly revolutionary idea before, not never, no-how!

843 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:51:14am

Good morning all. Last day of school for our kiddos today.

844 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:51:17am

re: #836 Nevergiveup

Obama said in his speech that

The "situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable"

But just the other day Abbas said the Palestinians are NOT going to negotiate with the Israelis till Obama brings down the present Israeli Government. And that's OK with him since life is OK for the Palestinians?

Do there guys ever talk? Somebody is lying?

Life for the Palestinians will continue to be intolerable as long as there are Juice living in places that they claim for their very own (like Jerusalem)

845 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:51:23am

re: #784 soxfan4life

Don't forget the USA is the root of all the world's problems part.

Not disagreeing with you, but I refine that to "conservatives and free market principles are the root of all world's problems".

When Hugo Chavez talks about being more conservative than the US President, wow.

846 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:52:07am

re: #844 Alouette

Life for the Palestinians will continue to be intolerable as long as there are Juice living in places that they claim for their very own (like Jerusalem)

But my point is that even Abbas denies that. Life is fine. He said so.

847 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:52:12am
"Although I believe that the Iraqi people are ultimately better off without the tyranny of Saddam Hussein,..."

Mighty nice of him to finally admit that after doing everything he could to keep Saddam in power.

848 johnnyreb  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:52:28am

re: #845 3 wood

Not disagreeing with you, but I refine that to "conservatives and free market principles are the root of all world's problems".

When Hugo Chavez talks about being more conservative than the US President, wow.

Scary part was he meant it! I think he is a bit jealous.

849 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:52:28am

re: #844 Alouette

Life for the Palestinians will continue to be intolerable as long as there are Juice living in places that they claim for their very own (like Jerusalem)

Or any other part of Israel, for that matter.

850 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:52:38am

re: #839 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

HOOPS!

Know of any IT jobs?

Alouette is looking.

851 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:53:21am

re: #847 Kenneth

Mighty nice of him to finally admit that after doing everything he could to keep Saddam in power.

And vilifyin President Bush for doing it.

852 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:53:22am

re: #824 Walter L. Newton
Good morning Walter - gee, I hope you get that warmth before we do - we're not predicted to get into the 80's again (or have sunny weather again!) until Monday!
But I have reason to doubt that forecast for Monday (sunny, high in low 80's) cause we have to go do more chores on Monday. So it'll probably rain Monday. And no I'm not being a pessimist, that's how the weather has tracked down here - we have to go out and the weather isn't very good, we don't have to go out and it's fine!
Wow. Retirement sure is restful.
Not.

853 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:53:43am
"I have made it clear to the Iraqi people that we pursue no basis and no claim on their territory or resources. Iraq's sovereignty is its own."

Bush already promised that years ago. Thank you for endorsing it.

854 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:53:52am
855 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:53:55am

re: #841 redstateredneck

It didn't take me long when I moved to Colorado to learn to carry a jacket or sweater with me if I was going to be out after dark no matter what the temp was at the time.

Yep, and if you live in the hills, or go up there regularly, it's best to keep a blanket, extra overcoat, flares, a gallon of water and a few other items like that in your car trunk. 3/4 of the year, the weather up their can change fast enough to strand you over the higher passes and roads.

856 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:54:19am

re: #837 Kenneth

I am glad he said that clearly and forcefully in the land at the heart of 9-11 denial.

That line would have brought thunderous applause here in the states. Over there...*crickets*. On the other hand, any mention of the "Holy Quran", Yippee, yippee, yay!

857 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:54:21am

re: #837 Kenneth

Yes. He directly addressed 9-11 denial, Holocaust denial, and even (briefly) mentioned Darfur.

Not that the wingnuts will give that any due... E.g., this morning the Beckians are seething about how Obama is a sekrit Muslim, etc.

858 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:54:27am

re: #825 jcm
Good morning jcm! Uh, what was so troubled about Boeing's chopper project?

859 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:54:29am

re: #840 Ward Cleaver

Gates doing 0bama's dirty work.

-53 is a great bird, but getting old. All this deferring, cutting and canceling is gonna' get people killed.

860 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:54:36am

re: #854 buzzsawmonkey

My "two-state" solution is solid/liquid: solid support for Israel, while the Arabs agree to a quitclaim on any land west of the Jordan in exchange for relocating with some liquid assets.

Goat milk?

861 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:55:04am

re: #839 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

Good, how about you?

862 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:55:35am

re: #859 jcm

-53 is a great bird, but getting old. All this deferring, cutting and canceling is gonna' get people killed.

They're very old. Like I said, 0bama doesn't give a flip about the troops.

863 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:56:08am

re: #850 Cm

HOOPS!

Know of any IT jobs?

Alouette is looking.

We let go of 70 IT people last month...Which isn't bad for a global Company...I think we have some openings up in Chicago..

864 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:56:28am
865 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:56:41am
Around the world the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries. And anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented holocaust. Tomorrow I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich.

Six million Jews were killed, more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless. It is ignorant, and it is hateful.

Good for Obama to say this too. The Arab world needs to hear this again and again.

866 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:57:01am

re: #830 3 wood Good morning my friend, how are you?
Read or heard somewhere this morning that unemployment claims dropped by 10,000 this past week! We only lost 521,000 jobs or somesuch obscene figure.
Wonder when Bush will stop strangling our economy?!
/

867 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:57:05am

re: #859 jcm

-53 is a great bird, but getting old. All this deferring, cutting and canceling is gonna' get people killed.

Politics mostly. And the procurement process.

868 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:57:21am

re: #850 jcm

HOOPS!

Know of any IT jobs?

Alouette is looking.

I can't move to China.

869 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:57:35am

re: #811 Sharmuta

Did you see my links last night about dutch politics?

No, I must have missed that one.

870 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:57:40am

re: #861 redstateredneck

Good, how about you?

Glad to be back to work..Thank you for asking...
How are you today

871 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:57:42am

re: #422 freetoken

He did as usual, take the middle ground in the speech. Not all lecture, not all hope and change, I liked the speech overall.

872 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:58:02am
873 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:58:29am

re: #857 freetoken

He directly addressed 9-11 denial, Holocaust denial, and even (briefly) mentioned Darfur.


That sounds good to me.

874 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:58:31am

re: #869 Killgore Trout

See 817

875 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:58:34am

re: #870 HoosierHoops

Glad to be back to work..Thank you for asking...
How are you today

It's Thursday, which is almost Friday, which is almost the weekend, so...
I'm doing well!

876 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:58:44am

re: #834 Irish Rose
Good morning Irish Rose! Who says we're not doing anything? I've got my umbrella sitting right next to pretty near about 50' away! I'm prepared!

877 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:59:00am
This last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they're out of power. Once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others.

(APPLAUSE)

So no matter where it takes hold, government of the people and by the people sets a single standard for all who would hold power. You must maintain your power through consent, not coercion. You must respect the rights of minorities and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise. You must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party.

Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy.

Would that be the Muslim Brotherhood he is talking too?

878 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:59:02am

re: #769 TheMatrix31

That word reminds me of Seinfeld and Elaine's Shisk-appeal.

That's exactly what I'm talking about! Shiskappeal! = that's the meaning of the joke! - they're saying that elaine has shiksa-peal --

One example of the way Shiksa is often used affectionately between jews and non jews.

love seinfeld, natch.

879 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:59:14am

re: #868 Alouette

I can't move to China.

Well let's be picky!

/// ;-p

880 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:59:34am

The precipitous decline in the military power and prestige of the Muslim world began in 1799 with Napoleon's decisive victory in Egypt over the Pasha. From that point on, the Muslim world increasingly became colonies of one European power or another. The weakening of the Ottoman Empire presented opportunities for Czarist Russia and others through out the region (think Crimean War).

That's the true context of the current situation, and one which President Obama ignores at our peril. He does not understand the great divide between Sunni and Shia Islam, and the terror in the Sunni world at Iranian Shiite ascendancy. The Sunnis need the U.S., but Obama won't give them a stable peace in the region without strong action against Iran. I wouldn't bet on that, and I'd bet instead on proliferation of nuclear weapons in the region. That proliferation, together with the related nuclear exchanges, will be Obama's political legacy.

881 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 6:59:55am
882 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:00:11am

Gotta run and shuffle some papers.
BRB

883 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:00:14am

re: #817 Sharmuta

Killgore

Thanks. Hmmm...Europe is going to start changing fast. I really hope they don't go apeshit.

884 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:00:14am

re: #839 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! We're doing ok, how are you doing?

885 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:00:19am

re: #818 KansasMom

I don't want to burst your bubble, but the aerospace industry is laying off heavily right now too.

Everyone is. Aerospace, however, has lots of openings for IT skills, and overall is less affected by economic cycles than other businesses.

All of the companies mentioned, and many others, have web sites with job listings. A quick peek reveals no shortage of openings. As already noted, relocation might be an issue, however.

886 KenJen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:01:11am

re: #864 buzzsawmonkey

That's because the military is an organized community--and he didn't organize it.


Using that logic he doesn't give a flip about anything because he hasn't organized anything.

887 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:01:39am

re: #886 KenJen

Communities-- he organized communities!/

888 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:02:26am

Report on the radio, actor David Karridine found dead, apparently found hanged in a hotel closet.

889 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:02:27am

re: #871 avanti

He did as usual, take the middle ground in the speech. Not all lecture, not all hope and change, I liked the speech overall.


He seems to be a first class fence straddler. Whether you liked George Bush or not you knew exactly where the man stood.

890 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:03:04am

re: #885 SixDegrees

Everyone is. Aerospace, however, has lots of openings for IT skills, and overall is less affected by economic cycles than other businesses.

All of the companies mentioned, and many others, have web sites with job listings. A quick peek reveals no shortage of openings. As already noted, relocation might be an issue, however.

Location, location, location.

I have a house in Detroit but not a job. Even if I found a job elsewhere, I could not get enough for my house to buy another decent place to live.

891 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:03:49am

re: #871 avanti

He did as usual, take the middle ground in the speech. Not all lecture, not all hope and change, I liked the speech overall.

It was historically ignorant.
It avoided the realities of the mideast.
It was Obama force of personality trying to fix things about which he knows less than nothing.

892 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:04:05am

re: #883 Killgore Trout

Thanks. Hmmm...Europe is going to start changing fast. I really hope they don't go apeshit.

Something we're going to have to keep an eye on, for sure.

893 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:04:45am

re: #872 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure many will disagree with what he said, but it is good that they are forced to sit and listen. This is an excellent use of the bully pulpit.

894 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:05:06am

re: #877 Kenneth
I don't know to whom he was addressing those comments and worse yet, neither do the Egyptians!

895 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:05:20am

re: #868 Alouette

I can't move to China.

Do you mind saying what state you're located in?

896 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:05:29am

re: #871 avanti

I was live blogging it upthread with Sharm.

It was a very tough crowd at times.

897 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:05:33am

re: #871 avanti

He did as usual, take the middle ground in the speech. Not all lecture, not all hope and change, I liked the speech overall.

That's because you are listening to it as a Westerner, and his speech was for OUR consumption, mainly.

I heard the speech. The problem with it is the way we, as westerners, understand the context, and the way a Muslim understands the context.

Such as his remark about the Koran saying that (paraphrase) "killing one innocent person is like killing the whole world."

That's fine, but to a Muslim, those people in the World Trade Center were not innocent. To a Muslim, people killed in a suicide bombing are not innocent.

So, I will agree, he made some very good points in his speech. But, you forget (or don't understand) the way a Muslim HEARS what Obama said.

On many issues, it's like night and day.

898 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:06:32am

re: #885 SixDegrees

Everyone is. Aerospace, however, has lots of openings for IT skills, and overall is less affected by economic cycles than other businesses.

All of the companies mentioned, and many others, have web sites with job listings. A quick peek reveals no shortage of openings. As already noted, relocation might be an issue, however.

Glad to hear there is something out there that's hiring! Aerospace engineering on the other hand, isn't looking too good right now. I'm very lucky to still be employed.
I suppose the good news for somebody with IT skills is that all industries rely on computer networks. I don't know much about the job, but hopefully the skills are transferrable from one industry to another.

899 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:06:37am

re: #880 quickjustice

The precipitous decline in the military power and prestige of the Muslim world began in 1799 with Napoleon's decisive victory in Egypt over the Pasha. From that point on, the Muslim world increasingly became colonies of one European power or another. The weakening of the Ottoman Empire presented opportunities for Czarist Russia and others through out the region (think Crimean War).

One might say it began on September 12, 1683, when the invading Ottomans were pushed back from the gates of Vienna. Since then, the islamic world has been on the decline.

900 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:06:38am

re: #866 realwest

Read or heard somewhere this morning that unemployment claims dropped by 10,000 this past week! We only lost 521,000 jobs or somesuch obscene figure.
Wonder when Bush will stop strangling our economy?!


Yep, we have lost about 2.4 million jobs since the Messiah was sworn in.

It will stop being Bush's fault when the economy turns around and businesses start hiring again. Then all the improvements will be due to Obama.

901 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:06:41am

re: #888 3 wood

Report on the radio, actor David Karridine found dead, apparently found hanged in a hotel closet.

In Bangkok of natural causes.

902 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:07:06am
903 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:07:43am

re: #896 freetoken

I was live blogging it upthread with Sharm.

It was a very tough crowd at times.

Too much preaching about lovin' Jews and being tolerant to women for the crowd to get real excited.

904 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:07:48am

re: #895 SixDegrees

Do you mind saying what state you're located in?

I'm in freaking Detroit.

905 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:08:18am

Crazy Pam is shilling for Allen West this morning...

In an interview with the New York Times the Iraqi police officer, Yehiya Kadoori Hamoodi, said he felt he must have been falsely implicated by another alleged informant as being a plotting assassin and that the information he provided was useless and obtained under duress.>

West, who at the time was just short of having 20 years of service, was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and was in danger of receiving an 11 year prison sentence, dishonorable discharge and losing his retirement benefits. West was processed through an Article 32 hearing in November 2003, where he admitted wrongdoing, was fined $5,000 over two months for misconduct and assault. He then submitted his resignation, and was allowed to retire with full benefits in the summer of 2004.

Huh.

906 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:08:32am

re: #901 Creeping Eruption

In Bangkok of natural causes.

Hanging counts as "natural causes" in Bangkok? Tough city!

907 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:08:32am

re: #888 3 wood
WHAT? David Karridine found hung in a closet?
Any further details? Suicide or homocide?

908 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:08:58am
"...a world where Israelis and Palestinians are each secure in a state of their own and nuclear energy is used for peaceful purposes,"

Did Obama just drop the Two-State Solution?

Should that not have been, "in states of their own" ?

I guessing sloppy illiterate speech writers, but it is curious they failed to catch that error in what should be the most carefully worded sentence.

909 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:08:59am

re: #892 Sharmuta

Something we're going to have to keep an eye on, for sure.

I'm worried about it happening here too.

910 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:09:00am

Don't know if this was posted hee yesterday, but a Democrat with a tax problem. Our own winter Senator no less imagine that.///


[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

911 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:09:19am

re: #890 Alouette

Location, location, location.

I have a house in Detroit but not a job. Even if I found a job elsewhere, I could not get enough for my house to buy another decent place to live.

Sorry to hear that.

912 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:10:26am

re: #901 Creeping Eruption

In Bangkok of natural causes.

Anyone know how old he was?

913 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:10:27am

re: #904 Alouette

I'm in freaking Detroit.

Michigan finally gave Detroit there own state !?!?!

//

914 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:10:30am

re: #889 soxfan4life

He seems to be a first class fence straddler. Whether you liked George Bush or not you knew exactly where the man stood.

Unfortunately I think we know where Obama stands.

915 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:10:38am

re: #890 Alouette

Location, location, location.

I have a house in Detroit but not a job. Even if I found a job elsewhere, I could not get enough for my house to buy another decent place to live.

General Dynamics, Sterling Heights and Warren, Land Systems Division. They're expanding over the next couple of years thanks to a generous package of tax incentives granted by local authorities. They're sucking up lots of idle automotive talent. Worth a look, anyway.

BAE also has facilities over that way.

916 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:10:41am

re: #904 Alouette

I'm in freaking Detroit.

Maybe Mrs. Conyers can help you find a job.

917 johnnyreb  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:10:51am

re: #907 realwest

WHAT? David Karridine found hung in a closet?
Any further details? Suicide or homocide?

Must have been suicide grasshopper.

918 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:10:57am

re: #916 Ward Cleaver

Maybe Mrs. Conyers can help you find a job.

/sarc

919 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:11:14am

Some of my comments on the speech:

America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles - principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.


Funny, I didn't think Islam had a principle of justice for anyone but Muslim men; it certainly isn't tolerant of other religions; and doesn't treat its women with dignity.
I'll skip the accomplishments, since I've seen that part being discussed, but this sentence got me:

And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.


Muslims were big in the Black slave trade, and, at best, they "tolerate" other religions (and then only Judaism and Christianity) if those people pay the dhimmi tax.
His section on the US is good, showing how Muslims are free to be Muslim in the US. When he said how many mosques there are in this country, I wish he compared it with the lack of churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia, though.
Again, he placed the blame squarely on Al Qaeda for 9/11, and said we can't tolerate people who will attack us.

In Ankara, I made clear that America is not - and never will be - at war with Islam. We will, however, relentlessly confront violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security. Because we reject the same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, women, and children. And it is my first duty as President to protect the American people.


I wish he would do more to protect the American people, but at least he recognizes that is is duty.

It's a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered.
Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.


Good, but I expect nothing to come out of this. The question is, when the Palis still refuse to stop violence and recognize Israel, will Obama blame them or Israel? My guess is the latter.

At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.
Israel must also live up to its obligations to ensure that Palestinians can live, and work, and develop their society. And just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza does not serve Israel's security; neither does the continuing lack of opportunity in the West Bank. Progress in the daily lives of the Palestinian people must be part of a road to peace, and Israel must take concrete steps to enable such progress.


If the Palis recognize Israel, they will receive recognition in return. And the problems the Palis have are the direct result of violence; Obama needs to recognize that.
He does go on about religious freedom; did mention the Copts; and said women deserve better. All good points, but I don't have time for more analysis.
Overall - mostly good, but I wish he'd realize how much of an obstacle the Palis are to their having a state, and stop blaming Israel for defending itself.

920 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:11:21am

re: #912 KansasMom

Anyone know how old he was?

70 something

921 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:11:22am

re: #916 Ward Cleaver

Maybe Mrs. Conyers can help you find a job.

I'm the wrong color.
/

922 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:11:24am

re: #907 realwest

WHAT? David Karridine found hung in a closet?
Any further details? Suicide or homocide?

He was gay?

/

923 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:11:41am

re: #881 buzzsawmonkey

That's because you buy into the notion that there is a moral equivalence between the Israelis and the Arabs. I've seen you do that here before.

At the most basic human level I do. The majority of both peoples would chose to live in peace and harmony if they better understood each other.
I'm old enough to remember how some whites would kill to keep blacks suppressed and now we have a black POTUS. Arabs and Jews once lived in peace and they can again. There is some pretty nasty history both from and directed at the Arab world that is in the way.

924 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:12:17am

re: #917 johnnyreb

Must have been suicide grasshopper.

The report I just heard on the radio said his agent says it was a death from natural causes. I heard nothing about hanging?

925 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:12:40am

re: #901 Creeping Eruption
Hanging in a closet is of "natural causes"?!

926 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:12:43am

re: #922 Ward Cleaver

He was gay?

/

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

927 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:12:51am

CNN Banner: 'Kung Fu' star David Carradine has been found dead in a hotel in Bangkok, Thailand, according to his manager

928 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:12:54am

re: #920 Nevergiveup

70 something

Actor David Carradine Dead at 73

929 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:12:56am

re: #866 realwest
morning, {Real}...was wondering about that number. Can it be that claims are down not because those found a job, but that the benefits have now run out? I'm never quite sure how those stats work.

930 saberry0530  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:13:13am

re: #920 Nevergiveup

70 something

73

931 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:13:20am

re: #923 avanti

At the most basic human level I do. The majority of both peoples would chose to live in peace and harmony if they better understood each other.
I'm old enough to remember how some whites would kill to keep blacks suppressed and now we have a black POTUS. Arabs and Jews once lived in peace and they can again. There is some pretty nasty history both from and directed at the Arab world that is in the way.

Where do you come up with the Disney land notion that a majority of Palestinians want to live in peace with the Jews?

932 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:13:33am

By the way, today marks the 26 anniversary of the day I managed to con Mrs. 3 wood to walk down an aisle and take some vows with me in front of a Pastor and witnesses, before she could change her mind and run away screaming.

I got by far the better end of that deal.

Thanks for the 26 wonderful years sweetie and hopes for many more.

933 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:13:49am

re: #910 soxfan4life

Don't know if this was posted hee yesterday, but a Democrat with a tax problem. Our own winter Senator no less imagine that.///


[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

When my accountant made a "clerical error" it cost me (well ,, actually HIM) an extra $74 in taxes/ penalties back in 1987.

$820,000? Inflation, I guess!
and by the way, things aren't looking too good for Gov Patrick either, huh !?!?

934 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:14:22am

re: #906 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Hanging counts as "natural causes" in Bangkok? Tough city!

Well, one night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble.

935 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:14:52am

re: #889 soxfan4life

He seems to be a first class fence straddler. Whether you liked George Bush or not you knew exactly where the man stood.

Being always steadfast in your views is only a asset when you are always right. Bush never acknowledged a error, and no POTUS is perfect.

936 saberry0530  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:15:04am

re: #932 3 wood

By the way, today marks the 26 anniversary of the day I managed to con Mrs. 3 wood to walk down an aisle and take some vows with me in front of a Pastor and witnesses, before she could change her mind and run away screaming.

I got by far the better end of that deal.

Thanks for the 26 wonderful years sweetie and hopes for many more.

My condolences to her and congrats to you
///
Sorry , had to

937 rightside  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:15:12am

re: #932 3 wood

Congratulations!

938 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:15:19am

re: #932 3 wood

Congratulations.

939 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:15:21am

re: #889 soxfan4life

He seems to be a first class fence straddler. Whether you liked George Bush or not you knew exactly where the man stood.

While I understand the allure of being on the fence, this is one issue that you just cannot do that with. . .

His statements were incomplete and may have actually done more harm than good. . .

terrorists are not, in their mind, killing "innocents" they justify their slaughter by saying since Israelis are required to serve in the IDF- all children are "not innocent". . .which could also be applied to their children in their quest for killing Jews. . .BUT

If you are a leader of a country that lost 3000 people to an unprovoked attack, and you then go to the countries who are supporting these factions, along with the "moderates" and talk about "innocent people" and NOT clearly state that your people WERE innocent. . .then you have failed your country.

940 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:15:34am

re: #888 3 wood

Report on the radio, actor David Karridine found dead, apparently found hanged in a hotel closet.

re: #929 Beach Lover

Suicide or one of those sexual suffocation things?
{ { {Beachie} } }! Girl, how are ya'?

941 callahan23  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:15:35am

re: #907 realwest

WHAT? David Karridine found hung in a closet?
Any further details? Suicide or homocide?

The wiki quote says:

The initial police investigation indicated that Carradine had hanged himself using a cord of the type which is used with curtains. Circumstances suggested that the death was a suicide
David Carradine's manager Chuck Binder, said he believed Carradine's death was from natural causes, and not from a suicide as reported in the Thai press.
Carradine, 73, was staying in Bangkok while shooting a movie. The film crew became aware of his absence when they went to dine out at a restaurant yesterday. When a producer went to his room, he discovered that the actor had died.


Hello my friend (Realwest)

942 saberry0530  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:15:46am

re: #934 ConservatismNow!

Well, one night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble.

HEY, that could be a song!
///

943 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:16:05am

re: #923 avanti

...if they better understood each other.


History suggests otherwise. It takes a lot more than 'understanding'.

Arabs and Jews once lived in peace and they can again


What were the conditions that the two groups lived in peace together? Was there tribute involved? Did both live underneath an autocratic government that forced them to get along?

944 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:16:15am

re: #907 realwest

WHAT? David Karridine found hung in a closet?
Any further details? Suicide or homocide?

The radio report said an apparent suicide. Said he was found by a maid.

945 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:16:20am

re: #884 realwest

Good morning Hoops! We're doing ok, how are you doing?


Back to work! Thanks for asking Realwest..

946 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:17:06am

re: #927 Killgore Trout

CNN Banner: 'Kung Fu' star David Carradine has been found dead in a hotel in Bangkok, Thailand, according to his manager

Oh wow.

947 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:17:07am

re: #910 soxfan4life
Now, now...it's never very nice to make fun of anyone else's problems in life, even John Kerry.
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.
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YIPPEE!
Never said I was nice.

948 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:17:14am

re: #940 redstateredneck

re: #929 Beach Lover

Suicide or one of those sexual suffocation things?
{ { {Beachie} } }! Girl, how are ya'?

OMG, I really messed up that post. The suicide/sexual thing was an earlier post about David Carradine...IGNORE MY POSTS! ! ! I've got to take this thing off of auto comments. That happens to me too much.

949 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:17:18am

re: #935 avanti

Being always steadfast in your views is only a asset when you are always right. Bush never acknowledged a error, and no POTUS is perfect.

Sorry ,,, Johnny,,, what do we have for a parting gift?


[Link: www.google.com...]

950 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:17:28am

re: #923 avanti

At the most basic human level I do. The majority of both peoples would chose to live in peace and harmony if they better understood each other.
I'm old enough to remember how some whites would kill to keep blacks suppressed and now we have a black POTUS. Arabs and Jews once lived in peace and they can again. There is some pretty nasty history both from and directed at the Arab world that is in the way.

The charters of the Palestinian people "duly" elected governments include the destruction of Israel.

Where do you divine that everyone wants peace?

When did the Arabs and Jews live in Peace?

951 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:17:29am

re: #935 avanti

Being always steadfast in your views is only a asset when you are always right. Bush never acknowledged a error, and no POTUS is perfect.

That is just wrong. Bush acknowledged errors. For one he said it was a big mistake to fly onto that carrier and announce Mission complete.

952 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:17:47am

re: #944 3 wood

The radio report said an apparent suicide. Said he was found by a maid.

Ugh. I feel bad for the maid.

953 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:18:06am

re: #923 avanti

At the most basic human level I do. The majority of both peoples would chose to live in peace and harmony if they better understood each other.


The majority of peoples at war understand each other perfectly well - that's why they're at war. Most wars throughout history were & are between neighboring peoples, or civil wars between the same people. You really can't say that they don't "understand" each other.

954 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:18:07am

re: #944 3 wood

The radio report said an apparent suicide. Said he was found by a maid.

I just sent the IMDb an update, with "natural causes". Dang.

955 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:18:14am

re: #939 DisturbedEma


He's done enough apologizing around the world. The only apologies we need to hear now is to the American people whom he has let down by being a tremendous failure as a leader.

956 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:18:44am

re: #931 Nevergiveup

Not necessary "want" to, but could want to. Did whites in the south want integration years ago ? Some folks would once lynch a black for looking at a white woman, now they can marry them. At a basic human level, people can learn not to hate.

957 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:18:53am

I'd better get back to work, now.

958 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:19:22am

re: #928 Ward Cleaver

Actor David Carradine Dead at 73

My freshman year in college, half the dorm floor would be in our room watching Kung Fu.
(We had the only TV on that half of the floor; my roommate's. I had a picture tube brightener from a dead set and that fixed his enough that you could watch it with the lights on.)

959 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:19:28am

re: #951 Nevergiveup

see 949 for a summary

960 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:19:30am

re: #923 avanti

At the most basic human level I do. The majority of both peoples would chose to live in peace and harmony if they better understood each other.
I'm old enough to remember how some whites would kill to keep blacks suppressed and now we have a black POTUS. Arabs and Jews once lived in peace and they can again. There is some pretty nasty history both from and directed at the Arab world that is in the way.

Blacks were not raised from birth to see the white man as representing all that is evil in the world. Blacks were mainly Christian in religious belief, so, they had the same moral training that the white man had.

In Islam, in the Koran, in everyday media and entertainment in the Muslim world, they are taught that the west must be eliminated. In either submission or total destruction.

In Islam, in the Koran, in everyday media and entertainment in the Muslim world, they are taught that their woman are practically worthless vessels for sex and baby making.

In Islam, in the Koran, in everyday media and entertainment in the Muslim world, murder is celebrated as "honorable," for the person, the family and the race and nations.

Your belief that most of these people would love to live in peace totally belies the facts, the facts that you seem to avoid or not even care about.

Yes, peace for many of them is that the west will be in peace, resting in peace.

961 badger1970  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:19:31am

For some reason I didn't think was was 73 years old.

962 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:19:35am

re: #923 avanti

At the most basic human level I do. The majority of both peoples would chose to live in peace and harmony if they better understood each other.
I'm old enough to remember how some whites would kill to keep blacks suppressed and now we have a black POTUS. Arabs and Jews once lived in peace and they can again. There is some pretty nasty history both from and directed at the Arab world that is in the way.


Check your history, those peaceful coexistances were when?

963 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:19:53am

re: #932 3 wood

congrats, 3 wood.

our 40th is this month.
boy...where does the time go.

964 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:19:56am
965 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:20:00am

re: #932 3 wood

By the way, today marks the 26 anniversary of the day I managed to con Mrs. 3 wood to walk down an aisle and take some vows with me in front of a Pastor and witnesses, before she could change her mind and run away screaming.

I got by far the better end of that deal.

Thanks for the 26 wonderful years sweetie and hopes for many more.

Congratulations!

966 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:20:03am

re: #955 soxfan4life

Upding for your avatar. Nice.

967 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:20:36am

re: #953 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The majority of peoples at war understand each other perfectly well - that's why they're at war. Most wars throughout history were & are between neighboring peoples, or civil wars between the same people. You really can't say that they don't "understand" each other.

When a bastard ties a bomb filled with feces and nails to it's chest and sits on a bus full of women, children, and old people only a moron wouldn't understand his intent!

968 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:20:37am

re: #960 Walter L. Newton

Ditto.

969 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:20:53am

re: #936 saberry0530

My condolences to her and congrats to you
///
Sorry , had to

Hey I agree. She's a saint to put up with me for 26 years.

970 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:21:05am

re: #950 jcm

When did the Arabs and Jews live in Peace?

When Jews were dhimmi and paid the jizya.

971 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:21:21am

re: #963 Beach Lover

congrats, 3 wood.

our 40th is this month.
boy...where does the time go.

Woohoo. I think the 40th requires big jewels! Just had my 32nd. I got an airplane. Go figure.

972 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:21:26am

re: #956 avanti

Not necessary "want" to, but could want to. Did whites in the south want integration years ago ? Some folks would once lynch a black for looking at a white woman, now they can marry them. At a basic human level, people can learn not to hate.

I'm sick of Condi's, Obama's , and your analogy of the Middle East to the civil rights movement.

973 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #948 redstateredneck

OMG, I really messed up that post. The suicide/sexual thing was an earlier post about David Carradine...IGNORE MY POSTS! ! ! I've got to take this thing off of auto comments. That happens to me too much.

wow...I was gonna say...how did that thing read my mind?!

hey {RED}!
finally here for a sec at the same time!

974 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:22:03am

re: #932 3 wood
Hey! Happy Anniversary my friend! Please give my congratulations/condolences (you know her, I don't so you pick!) from me!

975 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:22:06am

re: #959 sattv4u2

see 949 for a summary

I saw. thanks.

976 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:22:18am

According to his IMDb entry, he was born Dec. 8, 1936, which would make him 72.

977 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:22:38am

re: #970 Alouette

When Jews were dhimmi and paid the jizya.

Freedom is Slavery
Peace is War


Yeah, I forgot...

978 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:22:46am

re: #966 Leonidas Hoplite

Upding for your avatar. Nice.


I was with the First Brigade which was the largest Armored Brigade in the US Army at the time. We used to say when the President calls 911 we answer.

979 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:22:48am

I found a job listing on the Ford site and applied for it. If I even get an interview it would be like winning the lottery.

980 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:22:49am

re: #951 Nevergiveup

That is just wrong. Bush acknowledged errors. For one he said it was a big mistake to fly onto that carrier and announce Mission complete.

OK, correction. He did not acknowledge any mistakes until the end of his second term, mostly at his last press conference.

981 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:23:02am

re: #964 Sharmuta

Limbaugh
Gingrich
Sessions

It's not good to see conservatives at the ledge

It IS good to see them look into the abyss and decide to pull back, as the alternative sucks!

982 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:23:26am

re: #949 sattv4u2

Sorry ,,, Johnny,,, what do we have for a parting gift?

That's one of the lies that the left holds onto to justify their ongoing hate for Bush.

983 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:23:28am

re: #970 Alouette

When Jews were dhimmi and paid the jizya.


Avanti makes no note of the CONDITIONS of peaceful "coexistance". . .he considers only the effect. . .the trains ran on time. . .right?

984 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:23:33am

re: #975 Nevergiveup

I saw. thanks.

I wonder if "he" did, though. No comment so far

985 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:23:40am

re: #902 taxfreekiller

tfk - why are shilling for Truthers?

The Dallas Tea Party, to which you linked, hosted one Michael Badnarik last night, according to their website:
[Link: dallasteaparty.org...]

This is the same Badnarik behind the 911 Truth (org) movement, according to that site and Wikipedia.

/heck, I'm not even KT and didn't even have to search for Ron Paul to smoke this one out...

986 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:23:43am

re: #981 sattv4u2

Limbaugh
Gingrich
Sessions

It's not good to see conservatives at the ledge

It IS good to see them look into the abyss and decide to pull back, as the alternative sucks!

I think Newt and Rush are RINOs! ///

987 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:23:55am

re: #956 avanti

Not necessary "want" to, but could want to. Did whites in the south want integration years ago ? Some folks would once lynch a black for looking at a white woman, now they can marry them. At a basic human level, people can learn not to hate.

You keep forgetting that whites, blacks in this country were mainly using the same moral compass, a Jewish/Christian based morality. Some adjustments had to be made, but, bottom line was having the same "rule" book between both parties.

Nothing in the Koran allows Islam to be anything other than the ONLY way for mankind.

988 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:25:07am

re: #932 3 wood


Congratulations it is refreshing to see couples stay together.

989 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:25:18am

re: #941 callahan23
Hey there (callahan23) good day to you too. Wonder if he had some sort of terminal disease and decided to end it all now?
Or did he hang himself or did someone else hang him?
Conspiracy theories will abound until the autopsy I'm sure.

990 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:25:25am

re: #962 DisturbedEma

Check your history, those peaceful coexistances were when?

He can't answer that question, because it never existed. He doesn't even understand the basic history of that region for the last 3000 years.

991 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:25:33am

re: #980 avanti

OK, correction. He did not acknowledge any mistakes until the end of his second term, mostly at his last press conference.

He was a governing President for Pete's sake. He had more important things to do than do a Mae Culpa in public for the benefit of his enemies.

992 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:26:06am

re: #971 redstateredneck

Woohoo. I think the 40th requires big jewels! Just had my 32nd. I got an airplane. Go figure.

LOLOLOL! Mine asked if I wanted to go to dinner?

I said...and that would be special, why?!
If there is anything special planned, I'm not aware of it. We did paint the deck this week and have to have the house painted...that will be special!
/

993 DisturbedEma  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:26:12am

re: #972 Nevergiveup

I'm sick of Condi's, Obama's , and your analogy of the Middle East to the civil rights movement.

It is so dishonest. . .like making people of color of that time out to be the aggressors as they were lynched and killed and beaten., . .with the KKK screaming about theirrlack of freedoms. . .

994 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:26:24am

re: #941 callahan23
PS, Wiki ALREADY has something on this? Who the hell do they think they are, Matt Drudge? The National Enquirer?!

995 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:26:53am

I once read about how David Carradine suffered from severe depression following the end of the Kung Fu TV series (loved that show as a kid!). Maybe he struggled with it most of his life.

I am saddened by this news. Depressive illness is a major killer, right up their with cancer & heart disease. Prayers to his family.

996 saberry0530  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:26:53am

re: #969 3 wood

Hey I agree. She's a saint to put up with me for 26 years.

Knew you would like that. CONGRATS are in order. Still got a ways to go though. The Berry's are at 30 and counting.

997 Irish Rose  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:26:55am

!@#@$.

I need affirmation this morning that all ex-husbands are not assholes, anyone?

998 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:27:40am

re: #997 Irish Rose

!@#@$.

I need affirmation this morning that all ex-husbands are not assholes, anyone?

Don't look at me.

999 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:27:41am

re: #991 Nevergiveup


While 0 seems more than willing to admit to mistakes by past administrations, come the end of his Presidency I doubt he wil apologize for much of anything he is responsible for.

1000 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:27:58am

re: #972 Nevergiveup

I'm sick of Condi's, Obama's , and your analogy of the Middle East to the civil rights movement.

"moral equivalence" argument is one of the standard tools of the left.

1001 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:28:15am

re: #970 Alouette

For Jews in 16th Century, Istanbul was a way better place to live than was Spain. Standards of oppression change.

1002 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:28:26am

re: #958 Kosh's Shadow

My freshman year in college, half the dorm floor would be in our room watching Kung Fu.
(We had the only TV on that half of the floor; my roommate's. I had a picture tube brightener from a dead set and that fixed his enough that you could watch it with the lights on.)

I was in seventh grade then , and I was glued to the TV every Thursday night when that came on.

1003 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:28:31am

re: #985 freetoken

tfk - why are shilling for Truthers?

The Dallas Tea Party, to which you linked, hosted one Michael Badnarik last night, according to their website:
[Link: dallasteaparty.org...]

This is the same Badnarik behind the 911 Truth (org) movement, according to that site and Wikipedia.

/heck, I'm not even KT and didn't even have to search for Ron Paul to smoke this one out...

It's kind of a bummer. I know it's a very contentious issue around here. People know what they're supporting and what they're getting into. If that's what they want to do then I don't have a problem with it. I do object when people lie about it.
Why long time lizards no longer object to associating with 9-11 Truthers is beyond me but the political landscape has changed. This is the path that many people have chosen.

1004 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:28:48am

re: #974 realwest

Please give my congratulations/condolences (you know her, I don't so you pick!) from me!

Of course. How's your Mom?

1005 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:29:05am

re: #980 avanti

OK, correction. He did not acknowledge any mistakes until the end of his second term, mostly at his last press conference.

GONG ,,, wrong again

DATE ,,, Jan 7 2007
(hmmm,, lets see ,, he was President until Jan 2009,,, by my math , thats over 2 YEARS) ,,

1006 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:29:18am

re: #997 Irish Rose

I'm an ex-husband and I hope my current wife would tell you I'm not an asshole.

Just don't ask my ex-wife her opinion.

1007 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:29:52am

re: #997 Irish Rose

!@#@$.

I need affirmation this morning that all ex-husbands are not assholes, anyone?

Don't ask my ex wife. She took it personal when my son decided living with Dad was a better option than living with Mom and even asked for child support after I got custody.

1008 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:29:54am

re: #985 freetoken

tfk - why are shilling for Truthers?

The Dallas Tea Party, to which you linked, hosted one Michael Badnarik last night, according to their website:
[Link: dallasteaparty.org...]

This is the same Badnarik behind the 911 Truth (org) movement, according to that site and Wikipedia.

/heck, I'm not even KT and didn't even have to search for Ron Paul to smoke this one out...

IIRC, Badnarik ran for TX governor last go-round, on the Libertarian ticket.

1009 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:30:07am

re: #1006 Kenneth

I'm an ex-husband and I hope my current wife would tell you I'm not an asshole.

Just don't ask my ex-wife her opinion.

or us !

///

1010 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:31:06am

re: #997 Irish Rose

!@#@$.

I need affirmation this morning that all ex-husbands are not assholes, anyone?

If I ever get married, then divorced, I'm sure I'd be a peach.

1011 UFO TOFU  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:31:18am

re: #971 redstateredneck

That's going to be hard to top!

1012 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:31:20am
1013 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:31:39am

re: #1009 sattv4u2

You have incoming - package mailed yesterday, regular first class, so expect it in a few months :)

1014 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:31:43am

re: #1000 3 wood

"moral equivalence" argument is one of the standard tools of the left.

But that argument isn't even "moral equivalence". It's bad history and insulting in so many ways. And I curse Condi for introducing it on an Internationally.

1015 badger1970  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:31:55am

re: #997 Irish Rose

When my asshole gene kicks in, I usually throw more money at her to make my ex go away and eat raman for the next week.

1016 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:32:03am

re: #1007 soxfan4life

Any word on Youk's injury? He looked as if he was walking off the foeld alright, but there's no info in the Globe other than he got hurt

1017 callahan23  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:32:13am

re: #989 realwest

Hey there (callahan23) good day to you too. Wonder if he had some sort of terminal disease and decided to end it all now?
Or did he hang himself or did someone else hang him?
Conspiracy theories will abound until the autopsy I'm sure.

The eternal fuel to those conspiracy theories will be that it all happened in Thailand. You know it happened over there, their police, corruption, 3rd world etc. you know?!?

May he rest in peace - That's all from me. None of the above.

1018 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:32:13am

re: #991 Nevergiveup

He was a governing President for Pete's sake. He had more important things to do than do a Mae Culpa in public for the benefit of his enemies.

You will also note, I'm sure, that the goal posts just got moved. That is tool #2 in the left wing argument tool box, right after moral equivalence.

By the way, tool #3 is to call people who disagree an extremist/racist.

1019 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:32:15am

re: #946 Sharmuta

That sucks.

As I posted last night, legendary blues singer Koko Taylor died yesterday.

1020 freetoken  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:32:35am

re: #1003 Killgore Trout


Why long time lizards no longer object to associating with 9-11 Truthers is beyond me but the political landscape has changed. This is the path that many people have chosen.

Maybe you and I are just old fogies... perhaps we should change with the times and just ride the wave?

1021 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:33:05am

re: #1003 Killgore Trout

It's kind of a bummer. I know it's a very contentious issue around here. People know what they're supporting and what they're getting into. If that's what they want to do then I don't have a problem with it. I do object when people lie about it.
Why long time lizards no longer object to associating with 9-11 Truthers is beyond me but the political landscape has changed. This is the path that many people have chosen.

Some of the parties were no doubt run by Paulians and other kooks, while some were not (some run by local GOP offices). Sadly, the whole movement is now tainted by the kooks' association with it. There needs to be either an alternative movement, apart from the tea parties, or (preferably) direct involvement in the GOP to change its course.

1022 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:33:13am

re: #1013 Walter L. Newton

You have incoming - package mailed yesterday, regular first class, so expect it in a few months :)

You're the best. I'll keep it hush hush for my son till it gets here

1023 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:33:28am

re: #960 Walter L. Newton

Blacks were not raised from birth to see the white man as representing all that is evil in the world. Blacks were mainly Christian in religious belief, so, they had the same moral training that the white man had.


True, but some whites were raised to hate blacks and mostly got over it. In this analogy, let the Jews be the blacks in the 50's, just looking to live their lives, and let the Arabs be the bigoted whites of years gone by, taught from birth that blacks are inferior.
No question the Jews, like most blacks in my analogy are the good guys and the bigoted whites of old are the Arabs of today.

1024 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:33:31am

re: #985 freetoken
Gee, did the host anyone else?

1025 3 wood  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:34:14am

re: #997 Irish Rose

I need affirmation this morning that all ex-husbands are not assholes, anyone?

I'm still married to wife #1, so I don't know.

1026 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:34:28am

re: #1014 Nevergiveup

But that argument isn't even "moral equivalence". It's bad history and insulting in so many ways. And I curse Condi for introducing it on an Internationally.

Bad history? There is only two ways Avanti could have made that statement. He knows NOTHING about the history or he is totally changing the facts on purpose.

1027 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:34:38am

re: #980 avanti

Nice to see Obama is acknowledging mistakes. OK, he blames Bush for all of them. But constantly blaming your predecessor while using his re-labeled policies and taking credit for it as your own ideas is a kind of "acknowledgment" isn't it?

I'm just not holding my breath for the day Obama will acknowledge his own.

1028 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:35:17am

re: #1021 Ward Cleaver

Some of the parties were no doubt run by Paulians and other kooks, while some were not (some run by local GOP offices). Sadly, the whole movement is now tainted by the kooks' association with it. There needs to be either an alternative movement, apart from the tea parties, or (preferably) direct involvement in the GOP to change its course.

Normal folks need to get involved in the party.

1029 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:35:46am

re: #1004 3 wood
She's doing just fine, thanks for asking my friend!

1030 callahan23  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:35:58am

re: #994 realwest

PS, Wiki ALREADY has something on this? Who the hell do they think they are, Matt Drudge? The National Enquirer?!

Of the several projects that they've got running one is wikimedia.
Yes they've become incredibly quick with their updating of the articles in wikipedia.

1031 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:36:21am

re: #1026 Walter L. Newton

Bad history? There is only two ways Avanti could have made that statement. He knows NOTHING about the history or he is totally changing the facts on purpose.

If you look at his comment 1023 it's so fucked up I got a headache reading it and just decided not to respond so I don't stroke out. Someone should remind Avanti about that old saying that when you in a hole stop digging.

1032 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:36:52am

re: #1027 Kenneth

Nice to see Obama is acknowledging mistakes. OK, he blames Bush for all of them. But constantly blaming your predecessor while using his re-labeled policies and taking credit for it as your own ideas is a kind of "acknowledgment" isn't it?

I'm just not holding my breath for the day Obama will acknowledge his own.

He's just an asshole.

1033 GGMac  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:37:08am

re: #987 Walter L. Newton

You keep forgetting that whites, blacks in this country were mainly using the same moral compass, a Jewish/Christian based morality. Some adjustments had to be made, but, bottom line was having the same "rule" book between both parties.

Nothing in the Koran allows Islam to be anything other than the ONLY way for mankind.

Bingo. Which begs a question as to why the left, and Obama especially, refer to Muslims in this country as "Muslim-Americans". The only residents in our country to be apparently officially designated as
(religion)-Americans. WTF is this government-designated co-mingling of religion and nationality?

*spit!

1034 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:37:18am
1035 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:37:18am

re: #1016 sattv4u2

Any word on Youk's injury? He looked as if he was walking off the foeld alright, but there's no info in the Globe other than he got hurt


Not hearing anything and Eck last night said it looked like he got spiked on the play. It seemed from Eck's tone that Youk has a bit of a temper and might have just been mad about being spiked. Weird 8th inning for the Sox defense 5 unearned runs on 3 errors.

1036 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:37:32am

re: #1020 freetoken

Maybe you and I are just old fogies... perhaps we should change with the times and just ride the wave?


Fat chance. I'll resist racists, Truthers and Paulians as long as Charles keeps LGF up and running. If we become overwhelmed with Paulians and Truthers here I'll probably eventually wander away but I doubt that will happen.

1037 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:37:53am

re: #1028 Sharmuta

Normal folks need to get involved in the party.

Either get the Republicans back on track, or jump to the Whigs.

/pimping for ojoe

1038 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:37:54am

re: #1021 Ward Cleaver

I was told by a GOP stratergist that the party does not want to get DIRECTLY involved (it will tacitly) for 2 reasons

If the parties fail, it won't be on their heads
If the parties succeed, they'll derive the benefits because the Dems are "in power" and the backlash (rightly or wrongly) always falls on the party in power

1039 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:38:08am

re: #1019 Mad Al-Jaffee

That sucks.

As I posted last night, legendary blues singer Koko Taylor died yesterday.

he had a full, hearty life and her fans, like me, adored her...seeing her at home at the Kingston Mines or wherever was a real treat...you never knew who would show up...performing like that is another kind of life...she loved life and we loved her

1040 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:38:09am

New job description?

He even went so far as to tell the audience that he considers "it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."


When did they slip that one into the oath of office?

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

1041 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:38:29am

re: #1012 buzzsawmonkey

Were it not that I never downding someone with whom I am having a dialog, I would have hit the button for this post--not once, but repeatedly, in the vain hope that doing so would this once cause the button to malfunction and give your post the multiple downdings it deserves.

"Understanding" is a crock. All one needs to live in peace and harmony with one's neighbors is to not attack them. This is something the Arabs have never practiced towards each other, and certainly never towards the Jews.

Jews lived "in peace" among Arabs when they paid the special taxes levied upon them as dhimmis--most of the time. If, of course, you consider "peace" to be legally mandated second-class citizenship at best, with the constant possibility of being treated worse than merely second-class at the pleasure of the then-reigning despot.

If the Arabs gave up arms, there would be peace--would have been peace years ago. If the Jews gave up arms, there would be no Israel--and millions dead.

I will drop out of the attempt to have a right/left discussion on this issue then. I have hope that there can be peace, you believe it's impossible and that's a gap we can not bridge. I'll leave it at respecting your position, while disagreeing and move to a different subject.

1042 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:39:11am

re: #1023 avanti

True, but some whites were raised to hate blacks and mostly got over it. In this analogy, let the Jews be the blacks in the 50's, just looking to live their lives, and let the Arabs be the bigoted whites of years gone by, taught from birth that blacks are inferior.
No question the Jews, like most blacks in my analogy are the good guys and the bigoted whites of old are the Arabs of today.

Oy. The bigoted whites of old lived in a democratic nation that was committed to changing the status quo. The Arabs of today live in dictatorships that are committed to keeping the status quo.

1043 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:39:48am

re: #1032 Ward Cleaver


He's far worse than just an asshole. He has power and is not afraid to use it.

1044 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:40:09am

re: #1037 Ward Cleaver

Either get the Republicans back on track, or jump to the Whigs.

/pimping for ojoe

Buckley didn't jump.

1045 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:40:22am
1046 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:40:33am

re: #1023 avanti

True, but some whites were raised to hate blacks and mostly got over it. In this analogy, let the Jews be the blacks in the 50's, just looking to live their lives, and let the Arabs be the bigoted whites of years gone by, taught from birth that blacks are inferior.
No question the Jews, like most blacks in my analogy are the good guys and the bigoted whites of old are the Arabs of today.

You STILL ignore the moral teaching that each side is coming from, don't you? Blacks, whites, basic concepts build into our system of government, all PROMOTES eventual course corrections such as what started to happen in the 1960's in regards to race relations. That's because this country and the people in it follow a judeo-christian base, in moral and law (and I am not talking religion here).

The Koran and the destruction of the west is the morals and basics for Muslim laws.

If you had a book that said "love you neighbor" and a book that say "kill you neighbor" how in hell do you ever expect to opposing sides to agree?

Explain?

1047 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:40:38am

re: #1043 soxfan4life

He's far worse than just an asshole. He has power and is not afraid to use it.

Like an asshole after dinner at Taco Bell.

1048 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:40:52am

re: #1035 soxfan4life

Not hearing anything and Eck last night said it looked like he got spiked on the play. It seemed from Eck's tone that Youk has a bit of a temper and might have just been mad about being spiked. Weird 8th inning for the Sox defense 5 unearned runs on 3 errors.

Yeah,,, not a hot given up for 7 2/3 innings, then 5 runs in about a nano second

It looked like Youk got kicked in the back of his ankle, right around the achilles. Painful at the moment (like hitting your "funny bone") but if the tendon isn't ruptured a couple days rest should do it

1049 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:40:59am
1050 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:41:12am

re: #1046 Walter L. Newton

You are on a roll today, Walter!

1051 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:41:42am

re: #1021 Ward Cleaver

Some of the parties were no doubt run by Paulians and other kooks, while some were not (some run by local GOP offices). Sadly, the whole movement is now tainted by the kooks' association with it. There needs to be either an alternative movement, apart from the tea parties, or (preferably) direct involvement in the GOP to change its course.


I'm sorry to disagree Ward. By that logic you can never have a movement of any kind - kooks and weird, sometimes BAD people affiliate themselves with otherwise good movements or causes. As Michael Steele told me (when I was complaining about the votes of Snowe and Collins on the Stimulus Bill) "I don't know how you can MAKE someone remove the (R) after their name."

1052 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:42:07am

re: #1022 sattv4u2

You're the best. I'll keep it hush hush for my son till it gets here

Hey, those toys are for YOU. Tell your kid to get his own :)

1053 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:42:08am

re: #1039 albusteve

he had a full, hearty life and her fans, like me, adored her...seeing her at home at the Kingston Mines or wherever was a real treat...you never knew who would show up...performing like that is another kind of life...she loved life and we loved her

I assume you mean "she." :)

I met Koko once, over ten years ago at a festival, and she was really sweet and friendly. I also went to her club once, when I was in Chicago for the Chicago Blues Festival.

I'm saddened by her death, but I feel more like celebrating her life instead of mourning. She lived to be 80, and was very successful at doing something she loved. How many people who grew up in her community at the same time have accomplished as much?

I felt the same way when Ray Charles died, and I'll feel the same way when it's BB King's time to go.

1054 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:42:55am

re: #1048 sattv4u2

Yeah,,, not a hot given up for 7 2/3 innings, then 5 runs in about a nano second

It looked like Youk got kicked in the back of his ankle, right around the achilles. Painful at the moment (like hitting your "funny bone") but if the tendon isn't ruptured a couple days rest should do it


And with a 10-2 lead I think it was at the time no need to take a chance.

1055 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:43:01am

re: #1046 Walter L. Newton

Yea, I know, I type fast, get going, stream of conscience and grammar suffers, please bear with me.

1056 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:43:17am

re: #1052 Walter L. Newton

Hey, those toys are for YOU. Tell your kid to get his own :)

I HAVE "my own"

Today i'm going to the storage garage to wash and wax my 57 Chevy

1057 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:44:02am

re: #1041 avanti

I will drop out of the attempt to have a right/left discussion on this issue then. I have hope that there can be peace, you believe it's impossible and that's a gap we can not bridge. I'll leave it at respecting your position, while disagreeing and move to a different subject.

All human existance is a path - peace, contention, confrontation, war, peace. Peace has always been bought and paid for by the blood of those who desire it most - and those that love freedom have paid more dearly than those who just desired peace.

1058 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:44:16am

re: #1051 realwest

I'm sorry to disagree Ward. By that logic you can never have a movement of any kind - kooks and weird, sometimes BAD people affiliate themselves with otherwise good movements or causes. As Michael Steele told me (when I was complaining about the votes of Snowe and Collins on the Stimulus Bill) "I don't know how you can MAKE someone remove the (R) after their name."

Okay, I'll buy that. I still think, though, that people could have more impact by joining the party and getting involved, rather than standing on the street, holding signs.

1059 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:44:32am

re: #992 Beach Lover

LOLOLOL! Mine asked if I wanted to go to dinner?

I said...and that would be special, why?!
If there is anything special planned, I'm not aware of it. We did paint the deck this week and have to have the house painted...that will be special!
/

I hear ya', girl. I got 6 acres in Arkansas and a houseboat year before last and an airplane this year. What more could a woman want?
:D

1060 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:45:21am

re: #1028 Sharmuta
So are you saying that "normal folks" aren't involved in the GOP? Hell, I thought YOU were involved in it.

Just because some asshats try to take advantage of a true grass roots and unorganized movement (fight back against ENORMOUS government spending and Taxes) doesn't make those movements against government spending and taxes false or bad.

1061 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:45:29am
1062 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:45:30am

re: #1053 Mad Al-Jaffee

I assume you mean "she." :)

I met Koko once, over ten years ago at a festival, and she was really sweet and friendly. I also went to her club once, when I was in Chicago for the Chicago Blues Festival.

I'm saddened by her death, but I feel more like celebrating her life instead of mourning. She lived to be 80, and was very successful at doing something she loved. How many people who grew up in her community at the same time have accomplished as much?

I felt the same way when Ray Charles died, and I'll feel the same way when it's BB King's time to go.

there you have it

1063 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:45:42am

re: #1050 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You are on a roll today, Walter!

Thanks. But really, even Obama is not oblivious to the realities of the situation, evident by a number of points in his speech this morning.

Avanti is either totally ignorant of the actual facts (even the facts that HIS president presented today) or he is purposely being obtuse.

If you listened or read Obama's speech, you could never make the statement that Avanti has made.

1064 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:46:10am

re: #1040 tradewind

New job description?

He even went so far as to tell the audience that he considers "it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."


When did they slip that one into the oath of office?

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

What?

1065 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:47:12am

re: #1041 avanti

I will drop out of the attempt to have a right/left discussion on this issue then. I have hope that there can be peace, you believe it's impossible and that's a gap we can not bridge. I'll leave it at respecting your position, while disagreeing and move to a different subject.

Hope don't feed the bulldog.

1066 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:47:13am

re: #1059 redstateredneck

I hear ya', girl. I got 6 acres in Arkansas and a houseboat year before last and an airplane this year. What more could a woman want?
:D

Damn!

1067 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:47:42am

re: #1033 GGMac

The only residents in our country to be apparently officially designated as (religion)-Americans. WTF is this government-designated co-mingling of religion and nationality?

///Not at all, Christian Americans are often identified... Yeah, as fascists, bigots, racists, anti-gay and generally nasty republican snake-handler types.///

1068 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:47:44am

re: #1040 tradewind

New job description?


When did they slip that one into the oath of office?

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

w.t.f.

1069 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:47:54am

re: #1065 jcm

Hope don't feed the bulldog.

Does change?

1070 callahan23  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:48:01am

Some errands to run. See y'all in a couple of hours.
(Realwest)

1071 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:48:21am

re: #1065 jcm

Hope don't feed the bulldog.

I once dated a girl named Hope. She didn't have a bulldog to feed though, but she watered her plants daily! Does that count?

1072 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:48:38am

re: #1067 Kenneth

///Not at all, Christian Americans are often identified... Yeah, as fascists, bigots, racists, anti-gay and generally nasty republican snake-handler types.///

I resent that - I stopped handling snakes years ago!
/

1073 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:48:49am

re: #1060 realwest

So are you saying that "normal folks" aren't involved in the GOP? Hell, I thought YOU were involved in it.

Just because some asshats try to take advantage of a true grass roots and unorganized movement (fight back against ENORMOUS government spending and Taxes) doesn't make those movements against government spending and taxes false or bad.

I didn't say any of that.

1074 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:49:04am

re: #1058 Ward Cleaver

Okay, I'll buy that. I still think, though, that people could have more impact by joining the party and getting involved, rather than standing on the street, holding signs.


Yep, I certainly agree with that.

1075 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:49:21am

re: #1071 sattv4u2

I once dated a girl named Hope. She didn't have a bulldog to feed though, but she watered her plants daily! Does that count?

Only if Hope was the bulldog watering the plants...

/;-P

1076 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:49:32am

Walmart is looking to create 22,000 new jobs that should cause some liberal heads to explode. Will 0 take credit for this and really piss off his left wing supporters.


[Link: www.comcast.net...]

1077 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:49:33am

re: #1064 MandyManners

/That I will faithfully uphold my duty to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam/
sarc/

1078 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:49:44am

re: #1064 MandyManners

What?

who is Moderate Islam?...where are they (the US)?... and what are they saying?

1079 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:50:09am

re: #1075 jcm

Only if Hope was the bulldog watering the plants...

/;-P

And fertilizing them.

1080 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:50:19am

re: #1066 Ward Cleaver

Damn!

I have...
acre
house
air

1081 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:50:27am

re: #1041 avanti

I will drop out of the attempt to have a right/left discussion on this issue then. I have hope that there can be peace, you believe it's impossible and that's a gap we can not bridge. I'll leave it at respecting your position, while disagreeing and move to a different subject.

Your a gem Avanti. You complain that people rag on you, and you run. When anyone trys to have a intelligent debate with you, sans the nasty language and putdowns, you run.

Over and over, you lay down opinions here, people attempt to discuss the issue with you, you never respond to the actual questions, and then you run.

Run, run, run...

1082 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:50:30am

Time to get back to work at the job Obama saved for me!

1083 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:50:50am

re: #1059 redstateredneck
serious?! I thought you were kidding!

1084 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:51:06am

re: #1076 soxfan4life

Walmart is looking to create 22,000 new jobs that should cause some liberal heads to explode. Will 0 take credit for this and really piss off his left wing supporters.

[Link: www.comcast.net...]

Once card check goes through, they'll be 22,000 new union jobs.

1085 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:51:07am

re: #1075 jcm

Only if Hope was the bulldog watering the plants...

/;-P

well ,,, her face was kinda roundish

And she had a GREAT set of,,, ummm,, personalities ,,, yeah ,thats it ,, personalities

1086 Irish Rose  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:51:10am

I'm out folks, too many frustrations to try and participate in conversation this morning.

Have a good one.

1087 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:51:37am

re: #1073 Sharmuta
#1028 "Normal folks need to get involved in the party."

1088 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:52:03am

re: #1084 Ward Cleaver

Once card check goes through, they'll be 22,000 new union jobs.


I think Walmart would close their doors before they signed a union contract.

1089 jcm  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:52:55am

re: #1085 sattv4u2

well ,,, her face was kinda roundish

And she had a GREAT set of,,, ummm,, personalities ,,, yeah ,thats it ,, personalities

May be NSFW, risque humor.

1090 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:52:55am
1091 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:53:09am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Lots to digest this busy AM, including Obama's latest vaunted apologia in the Middle East, David Carradine's passing, and remembering the repression of Tienanmen Square 20 years later.

Of the three - two were completely expected - Obama is playing to type, the Chinese doing what they have done for the past 20 years. Carradine's death is the surprise. No one saw it coming, and there are conflicting reports about his death. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.

His voice and personage was one of serenity or unearthly fierceness and brutality at turns - depending on the inflection and situation, and he will be missed.

1092 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:53:11am

re: #1069 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does change?


Loose change if you collect it?

1093 realwest  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:53:22am

Well I'm outta here folks - chores and all - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

1094 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:53:23am

re: #1081 Walter L. Newton

ok, but can we talk about cars?

//

1095 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:53:39am

re: #1088 soxfan4life

I think Walmart would close their doors before they signed a union contract.

Sam would be spinning in his grave so fast you could attach a generator to it and light up EVERY Wal Mart

1096 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:54:24am

re: #1094 Kenneth

ok, but can we talk about cars?

//

Sure ,, lets see ,, that leaves out Studebakers

1097 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:55:07am
1098 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:55:29am

re: #1095 sattv4u2

Sam would be spinning in his grave so fast you could attach a generator to it and light up EVERY Wal Mart

Sam's been spinning since his heirs trashed Wal*Mart by flooding it with shit made in China.

1099 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:55:40am

re: #1094 Kenneth

ok, but can we talk about cars?

//

we can just look at the pictures..

[Link: www.my-car-picture.com...]

1100 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:55:43am

re: #1088 soxfan4life

I think Walmart would close their doors before they signed a union contract.

When one store's meat cutters (in Jefferson, in East Texas) went union, Walmart fired all the meat cutters and switched to pre-packaged meats. I think the unions (likely UFCW) would have a easier go this time, with card check.

1101 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:56:43am

re: #1094 Kenneth

ok, but can we talk about cars?

//

Don't bait me :) I'm too wound up this morning. And I'm in a really good mood, and when I am in a really good mood, I get verbal.

1102 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:57:32am

re: #1098 MandyManners

Sam's been spinning since his heirs trashed Wal*Mart by flooding it with shit made in China.

I thought his heirs were specifically not allowed to interfere with the board running Walmart. Of course he must be spinning since the We buy made in America so you can too days are ancient history.

1103 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:58:19am

re: #1098 MandyManners

Sam's been spinning since his heirs trashed Wal*Mart by flooding it with shit made in China.

Sam drove an old pickup truck, which shamed the other executives from living ostentatiously. After he died (from what I read a couple of years after his death), it was "Katie bar the door".

1104 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:58:53am

re: #1097 taxfreekiller
Why would they vote that way?
Because they're subsidizing your life,** most likely, and all they want in return is your vote...
** you pay no taxes, you get food stamps, welfare, and your crack habit is rewarded with the designation ' disabled' and gets you a monthly check.
(And I'm not talking about truly disabled persons or people who cannot work due to health reasons or short term misfortune. ... only those who want a free ride).

1105 calcajun  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:59:10am

No more pebble snatching; David Carradine died --bummer. Only 72.

1106 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:59:17am

Tom Glavine released by the Atlanta Braves. Hum? Somebody call the Mets?

1107 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:59:21am

re: #1101 Walter L. Newton

If this is your good mood, I'd hate to catch you in a bad mood!

// ;)

1108 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:59:32am

re: #1100 Ward Cleaver

When one store's meat cutters (in Jefferson, in East Texas) went union, Walmart fired all the meat cutters and switched to pre-packaged meats. I think the unions (likely UFCW) would have a easier go this time, with card check.

How? Considering the job market right now, couldn't Walmart just fire anyone who pushed unions. Unless I am missing something, a union can't be forced on an employer.

I'm sure for every Walmart employee that wants a union, and Walmart fires them, Walmart could find a new employee in a New York minute.

Or am I missing something here about unions?

1109 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 7:59:49am

re: #1102 soxfan4life

I thought his heirs were specifically not allowed to interfere with the board running Walmart. Of course he must be spinning since the We buy made in America so you can too days are ancient history.

Yeah, remember the "Bring It Home To The USA" campaign, complete with bumper stickers, and commercials touting companies like Zebco, making products here? I do.

1110 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:00:19am

re: #1097 taxfreekiller

The damage you guys are doing to the Republican party is going to take a very long time to repair. We'll start picking up the pieces when you you're done.

1111 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:00:55am

re: #1083 Beach Lover

serious?! I thought you were kidding!

mr hightechredneck has taken up flying now. He's working on his license.
I haven't been up in "my" airplane yet.

1112 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:01:08am

re: #888 3 wood

He was in Bangkok... I wonder if it was really natural causes, or if he said Phuket...

1113 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:01:24am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Has that PB0-speech been mentioned yet?

The TIMES/London choose to go with this headline:
Obama delivers strong attack on Israeli settlements in speech to Muslim world

And the first two paragraphs of that report:

'Barack Obama today delivered one of the strongest condemnations by an American president of Israeli settlement building in a speech appealing for a fresh start between America and the Islamic world.

In an audacious address at Cairo university to a worldwide audience of 1.5 billion Muslims, Mr Obama told the Israeli government that continuing to construct new Jewish homes in the occupied Palestinian territories was unacceptable and must stop.'

Disgusting - from PB0 as well as The TIMES.

1114 calcajun  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:02:05am

re: #1112 tradewind

He was in Bangkok... I wonder if it was really natural causes, or if he said Phuket...

One report had him hanging from a curtain rod. Hope not.

1115 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:02:15am

Good Morning.
Grasshopper has left the building. David Carridine was found in his Bankok Hotel room hanged by a chord in an apparent suicide.
He was there filming a movie & was 72 years old. A shame.

1116 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:02:43am

re: #1108 Walter L. Newton

How? Considering the job market right now, couldn't Walmart just fire anyone who pushed unions. Unless I am missing something, a union can't be forced on an employer.

I'm sure for every Walmart employee that wants a union, and Walmart fires them, Walmart could find a new employee in a New York minute.

Or am I missing something here about unions?

The union I belong to the IBEW involves contracts. The company signs a contract to only hire union members so we're like a big talent pool. Walmart would never sign a union agreement.All card check would do is allow Walmart as well as union organizers to identify their enemy and target them.

1117 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:02:58am

re: #1102 soxfan4life

re: #1109 Ward Cleaver

Problem is,, there's not much BEING Made in America anymore thanks in large part to the intransigentcy of the unions to budge imho

1118 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:03:01am

re: #1110 Killgore Trout

The damage you guys are doing to the Republican party is going to take a very long time to repair. We'll start picking up the pieces when you you're done.

consider the damage done to the country by those pleased with BOs work with the economy and proud of him for being so kool

1119 calcajun  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:03:30am

re: #888 3 wood

Report on the radio, actor David Karridine found dead, apparently found hanged in a hotel closet.

Auto-erotic asphyxiation? Eww.

1120 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:03:59am

Gay groups grow impatient with Obama

He didn't even mention islamic homosexual persecution in Cairo.

1121 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:04:25am

re: #1108 Walter L. Newton

How? Considering the job market right now, couldn't Walmart just fire anyone who pushed unions. Unless I am missing something, a union can't be forced on an employer.

I'm sure for every Walmart employee that wants a union, and Walmart fires them, Walmart could find a new employee in a New York minute.

Or am I missing something here about unions?

It's just that with card check, there will no longer be a secret ballot, making it easier for unions to pressure or intimidate employees and employers, and I think that the NLRB under 0bama will be more on the unions' side.

I agree that the economic conditions would have to improve first, and they'll still have to "sell" the union to potential members. I just think it will be easier to do so after card check, and with 0bama in the WH.

1122 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:04:54am

re: #1120 Sharmuta

Gay groups grow impatient with Obama

He didn't even mention islamic homosexual persecution in Cairo.

Nahhh ,, it's because he didn;'t admit that the USA is a Gay Nation

1123 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:05:00am

re: #925 realwest

Hanging in a closet is of "natural causes"?!


Gravity is a natural cause...Yes?
//

1124 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:05:17am

re: #1041 avanti

I will drop out of the attempt to have a right/left discussion on this issue then. I have hope that there can be peace, you believe it's impossible and that's a gap we can not bridge. I'll leave it at respecting your position, while disagreeing and move to a different subject.

Avanti, that's taking things too far. BSM was trying to explain how the differences in culture make American-style change very hard. The problems with Islam and Arab culture make Arabs much more resistant to any acceptance of the rights of others.

1125 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:05:22am

re: #1118 albusteve

consider the damage done to the country by those pleased with BOs work with the economy and proud of him for being so kool

Tea Party to your heart's content.

1126 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:05:31am

re: #1081 Walter L. Newton

Your a gem Avanti. You complain that people rag on you, and you run. When anyone trys to have a intelligent debate with you, sans the nasty language and putdowns, you run.

Over and over, you lay down opinions here, people attempt to discuss the issue with you, you never respond to the actual questions, and then you run.

Run, run, run...

Walter, I love a good debate, but I'm on the wrong side of this issue for a conservative web site. Look at some of the down dings I'm getting for just expressing the opinion that human beings can change. I get it, we'll never have peace with the Arabs, I'm stupid for even suggesting the possibility. Why beat my head against the wall just to collect down dings. We can discuss issues where there might be some common ground, this is not one. I'll just raise your blood pressure and screw up a lovely morning.

1127 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:05:54am

re: #1122 sattv4u2

Nahhh ,, it's because he didn;'t admit that the USA is a Gay Nation

Now we're a gay muslim nation?

1128 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:06:01am

re: #1120 Sharmuta


Well according to the pro gay marriage people they want to be just like everyone else so why shouldn't they grow impatient with 0bama too.

1129 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:06:01am

re: #1116 soxfan4life

The union I belong to the IBEW involves contracts. The company signs a contract to only hire union members so we're like a big talent pool. Walmart would never sign a union agreement.All card check would do is allow Walmart as well as union organizers to identify their enemy and target them.

That's what I thought. There is no way to force Walmart into becoming a union shop. And considering the job market, I don't think it would be hard to find new employees.

I would work at Walmart if I needed a job.

1130 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:06:04am

Gag of the week... story that starts ' With his trademark humility, President Obama...'

1131 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:06:31am

re: #1125 Killgore Trout

Tea Party to your heart's content.

I'm waiting for the national Beer Bashes myself

1132 calcajun  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:06:33am

re: #1127 Ward Cleaver

Now we're a gay muslim nation?

I cannot get behind that statement.//

1133 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:06:40am

I loved Carradine in Kill Bill. I remember watching Kung Fu as a kid, but not really understanding it. I should get some of the dvds from Netflix.

1134 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:06:56am

re: #1119 calcajun

Auto-erotic asphyxiation? Eww.

Looks like it - the Beeb says he was found 'by a hotel maid sitting in a wardrobe with a rope around his neck and body on Thursday morning.'
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Thats a genteel way of hinting at something gone wrong, rather than suicide.

1135 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:07:11am

re: #1107 Kenneth

If this is your good mood, I'd hate to catch you in a bad mood!

// ;)

Walter can have bad moods, you just learn to deal with them. I respect his passion, even when are pissing at each other.

1136 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:07:12am

OT: Bored with my music. Taking suggestions from anyones top 10 albums of all time, any genre.

1137 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:07:14am

A completely OT post about something pretty cool & free I recently found...

Google is offering a website called "Google Docs" which offers free online word processor, spreadsheet, presentation and other tools. All are compatible with MS Office. No software to load on your computer. You log in and start working on your documents. You can upload & download as needed. You can work from home, office or your favorite hotspot coffee shop.

Very useful service, IMO.

1138 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #1121 Ward Cleaver

It's just that with card check, there will no longer be a secret ballot, making it easier for unions to pressure or intimidate employees and employers, and I think that the NLRB under 0bama will be more on the unions' side.

I agree that the economic conditions would have to improve first, and they'll still have to "sell" the union to potential members. I just think it will be easier to do so after card check, and with 0bama in the WH.

But NO ONE can force a company to set up as a union shop. Walmart would just fire whole staffs, one store at a time and re-staff, and they would have a long line of applicants at the door. I would be there if I needed a job.

1139 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:07:48am

re: #1137 Kenneth

A completely OT post about something pretty cool & free I recently found...

Google is offering a website called "Google Docs" which offers free online word processor, spreadsheet, presentation and other tools. All are compatible with MS Office. No software to load on your computer. You log in and start working on your documents. You can upload & download as needed. You can work from home, office or your favorite hotspot coffee shop.

Very useful service, IMO.

How secure?

1140 calcajun  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:08:05am

re: #1134 yma o hyd

I know. Still, eww.

1141 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:08:17am

re: #1113 yma o hyd

Weird... Obama did not mention settlements in the speech. What are they referring to?

1142 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:08:23am

re: #1129 Walter L. Newton

That's what I thought. There is no way to force Walmart into becoming a union shop. And considering the job market, I don't think it would be hard to find new employees.

I would work at Walmart if I needed a job.

Doesn't that depend on the state? I thought that employees could organize and vote themselves into a union, at least in certain states.
I'm a little fuzzy on that tho...anyone else more informed than me able to chime in?

1143 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:08:52am

re: #1127 Ward Cleaver

Now we're a gay muslim nation?

but not a Christian one!

hmmm,,, I wonder which religion has more tolerance for gays ,,, Islam,, Christianity ,,, hmmm!
,,,
(and yes,, I KNOW there are many anti-gay Christians,, just as I personally know Muslims who could give a rats ass less what Adam and Steve do lest anyone think I live in a fantasy world,)

1144 KenJen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:08:53am

re: #1115 opnion

Good Morning.
Grasshopper has left the building. David Carridine was found in his Bankok Hotel room hanged by a chord in an apparent suicide.
He was there filming a movie & was 72 years old. A shame.

It's really strange. You don't often hear of 72 year olds committing suicide.

1145 calcajun  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:09:04am

re: #1134 yma o hyd

For those who don't know what this is, go watch the first ten minutes of "The Ruling Class". Sick--funny, but very sick.

1146 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:09:20am

re: #1139 Creeping Eruption

login name and password protected, just like an email account

1147 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:09:37am

re: #1141 Kenneth

oops, I guess he did. My bad.

1148 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:09:42am

re: #1135 avanti

Walter can have bad moods, you just learn to deal with them. I respect his passion, even when are pissing at each other.

And this morning I wasn't pissing at you, until you decided not to respond to any comments about your opinion on "peace" between the Muslim world and the west.

I was trying to have a debate, you refused to delve into the issue, the issue YOU brought up.

Otherwise, thanks for the backhanded compliment, I think :)

1149 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:10:03am

re: #1138 Walter L. Newton

But NO ONE can force a company to set up as a union shop. Walmart would just fire whole staffs, one store at a time and re-staff, and they would have a long line of applicants at the door. I would be there if I needed a job.


With a union friendly NLRB they could fine even Walmart into submission. Imagine the wrongful termination suits if they did the type of widespread firing you mention.

1150 pianobuff  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:10:19am

re: #1134 yma o hyd

Looks like it - the Beeb says he was found 'by a hotel maid sitting in a wardrobe with a rope around his neck and body on Thursday morning.'
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Thats a genteel way of hinting at something gone wrong, rather than suicide.

Likely that cause of death will remain suicide. Typically, investigators will take the lead of the family in the official report.

1151 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:10:29am

re: #1142 KansasMom

I was forced to join Teamsters as a flight attendant because my airline was based in MN, a liberal force-you-to-join state.
What a con job. We had about as much in common with the Teamsters as Jimmy Hoffa did with the junior league.

1152 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:10:39am

re: #1137 Kenneth

A completely OT post about something pretty cool & free I recently found...

Google is offering a website called "Google Docs" which offers free online word processor, spreadsheet, presentation and other tools. All are compatible with MS Office. No software to load on your computer. You log in and start working on your documents. You can upload & download as needed. You can work from home, office or your favorite hotspot coffee shop.

Very useful service, IMO.

Absolutely!
Have been using it for some time now.
You can even download your letters etc to MS Word - its a pretty nifty thing, imho!

1153 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:10:50am

re: #1146 Kenneth

login name and password protected, just like an email account

I should have been more clear , sorry. I am not very tech savvy and was wondering in general, whether these web based programs (g-mail, google calendar, etc) are generally considered safe.

1154 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:11:05am

re: #1112 tradewind

He was in Bangkok... I wonder if it was really natural causes, or if he said Phuket...


MSNBC is reporting that he was hanged in an apparent suicide.

1155 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:11:24am

re: #1150 pianobuff

Likely that cause of death will remain suicide. Typically, investigators will take the lead of the family in the official report.

his time has ended, that's all there is to it...all else is morbid fascination imo

1156 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:11:25am

re: #1111 redstateredneck
oh... gotcha! well, thats exciting! At least he gave you the plane! ;-) Why dont you get your license?

1157 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:11:36am

re: #1135 avanti

Walter can have bad moods, you just learn to deal with them. I respect his passion, even when are pissing at each other.

I love watching you and Walter in a pissing match. My money is on the guy with the bigger bladder.

1158 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:11:59am

re: #1141 Kenneth

Weird... Obama did not mention settlements in the speech. What are they referring to?

No idea - thats straight from the TIMES website!

Perhaps the speech was edited for North American consumption?
I wouldn't put that past them MFM bygers!

1159 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:12:05am

re: #1144 KenJen

He was in Bangkok for a movie, so it's odd that he'd commit suicide. Can't say it doesn't happen, but who knows. We'll see where the investigation goes.

1160 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:12:07am

re: #1134 yma o hyd

Looks like it - the Beeb says he was found 'by a hotel maid sitting in a wardrobe with a rope around his neck and body on Thursday morning.'
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Thats a genteel way of hinting at something gone wrong, rather than suicide.

He got too excited, all billyo.

1161 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:12:11am

re: #1154 opnion

Yeah, that was my (probably in bad taste) reference to the island where most Bangkok tourists find themselves eventually...

1162 calcajun  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:12:16am

re: #1150 pianobuff

OK, you're the family. How do you want the death cert. to read? Suicide or "death by mis-adventure" or "accident". I'd opt for the latter. Makes for funnier Christmas reminiscences./

1164 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:12:26am

re: #1144 KenJen

It's really strange. You don't often hear of 72 year olds committing suicide.


It does seem unusual, but who knows what his physical health was?
No mention of a suicide note.

1165 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:12:41am

re: #1136 Creeping Eruption

OT: Bored with my music. Taking suggestions from anyones top 10 albums of all time, any genre.

YES ,, Tales From Topographic Oceans

1166 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:13:17am

re: #1153 Creeping Eruption

as safe as your email account, I guess. It may be possible to hack or spoof into these things, but I don't know how often that has happened.

1167 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:13:18am

re: #1138 Walter L. Newton

But NO ONE can force a company to set up as a union shop. Walmart would just fire whole staffs, one store at a time and re-staff, and they would have a long line of applicants at the door. I would be there if I needed a job.

The government is working hard to make sure unions can force themselves into any business. The DNC and the unions have created anti-Walmart propaganda films that vilify Walmart. Their unstated goal-- To get the public on the side of business-killing unions and ultimately force unions through any and all doors. Card check is just the beginning of their effort.

We should all thank Walmart for resisting the pressure of the government and the unions thus far.

1168 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:13:24am

re: #1165 sattv4u2

YES ,, Tales From Topographic Oceans

gulp

1169 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:13:31am

re: #1162 calcajun

I suppose he could have been murdered... it's not like they have the FBI investigating there.

1170 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:13:47am

re: #1097 taxfreekiller

Why would any one hang around in something like the Democrat Party that has no good liar traitors like John F. Kerry as leaders, former Pres. candidates and scum sucking liars like John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schummer. That is a better question.

I have met most of the people in the Dallas Tea Party deal, all of them normal, for sure Katrina Pierson who made the talk at the April 15th one.

Scott O'Grady
Jeff Bolton
Michael Malkin

all of them Ron Paul truthers now uh?

Is your Scott O'Grady the same one who got shot down over Bosnia? If so, he's probably OK. Michelle Malkin has problems, but she's not a Troofer. Jeff Bolton seems alright. Still, what is your plan to keep the loons away at this event?

1171 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:13:50am

re: #1161 tradewind

Yeah, that was my (probably in bad taste) reference to the island where most Bangkok tourists find themselves eventually...

Not that bad of taste, because on some level that is what he said.

1172 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:13:53am

re: #1159 lawhawk

He was in Bangkok for a movie, so it's odd that he'd commit suicide. Can't say it doesn't happen, but who knows. We'll see where the investigation goes.

I wonder if Beatrix Kiddo has been brought in as a suspect.

Sorry - too soon?

1173 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:14:03am

re: #1166 Kenneth

as safe as your email account, I guess. It may be possible to hack or spoof into these things, but I don't know how often that has happened.

I guess I also have to ask: Who would want to read my shit anyway? Thanks for the tip on the new service

1174 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:14:12am

Gots to go for now...hopefully BBL
If not ...have a great day everyone!

1175 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:14:16am

re: #1168 albusteve

gulp


?

1176 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:14:21am

re: #1150 pianobuff

Likely that cause of death will remain suicide. Typically, investigators will take the lead of the family in the official report.

Sure - but unfortunately, its going to be a 'hint-hint, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean' story for everybody else except his family.
A great pity, that.

1177 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:14:25am

re: #1164 opnion

It does seem unusual, but who knows what his physical health was?
No mention of a suicide note.

Probably the only thing they found was a newspaper ad.

1178 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:14:48am

re: #1124 Dark_Falcon

Avanti, that's taking things too far. BSM was trying to explain how the differences in culture make American-style change very hard. The problems with Islam and Arab culture make Arabs much more resistant to any acceptance of the rights of others.

Fair enough. Can we agree it'll be very hard, perhaps impossible, but worth trying ? BTW, I appreciate the rsonable tone in your comment.

1179 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:15:16am

re: #1175 sattv4u2

?

the Chipmonks Christmas Carols rates way high imo...
no offense

1180 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:15:40am

re: #1165 sattv4u2

YES ,, Tales From Topographic Oceans

Thanks. Anyone else?

1181 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:15:50am

re: #1170 Dark_Falcon

Still, what is your plan to keep the loons away at this event?


They are in charge of the event. Look at the sponsors: Glenn Beck and Ron Paul.

1182 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:15:53am

re: #1167 FrogMarch

The government is working hard to make sure unions can force themselves into any business. The DNC and the unions have created anti-Walmart propaganda films that vilify Walmart. Their unstated goal-- To get the public on the side of business-killing unions and ultimately force unions through any and all doors. Card check is just the beginning of their effort.

We should all thank Walmart for resisting the pressure of the government and the unions thus far.

Ding! I applaud Walmart, too. Although I think the unions will have an easier go of it, I also believe that as long as employees believe they're getting a fair shake from their employers, they'll be less inclined to unionize.

1183 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:15:58am

re: #1156 Beach Lover

oh... gotcha! well, thats exciting! At least he gave you the plane! ;-) Why dont you get your license?

I'm a little jealous that you have your own plane. You should most definately get your license...how could you resist? ;-)
Even if the hubby does all the flying, you'll feel better in the plane with him if you know the controls.

1184 calcajun  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:17:08am

re: #1169 tradewind

I suppose he could have been murdered... it's not like they have the FBI investigating there.

Like my brother says, I want to die at 95 by getting shot by a jealous husband. Dying because of sex scene gone wrong is more in keeping with the man's public character than suicide. Though a tawdry end, it's one that I would rather; it has less shame than suicide.

1185 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:17:29am

re: #1163 Alouette

At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.

Even given that he was speaking for a Muslim audience, this is a huge diplomatic gaffe - no statesman can publicly accuse another state without there being consequences. Its unheard of.

I can't even begin to say how much more I loathe that FCBBHO!

1186 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:18:17am

re: #1141 Kenneth

Weird... Obama did not mention settlements in the speech. What are they referring to?

Kenneth, he did mention it, and the quote while out of context was accurate.

1187 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:18:50am

re: #1184 calcajun

Like my brother says, I want to die at 95 by getting shot by a jealous husband. Dying because of sex scene gone wrong is more in keeping with the man's public character than suicide. Though a tawdry end, it's one that I would rather; it has less shame than suicide.

I want to die just like my uncle did

peacefully ,,, while asleep


(not like the other 3 poor bastards that were in the car he was driving at the time, screaming and crying the whole time!)

1188 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:19:04am

re: #1180 Creeping Eruption

Thanks. Anyone else?

Sticky Fingers
top five, easily. maybe higher

1189 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:20:08am

re: #1186 avanti

Kenneth, he did mention it, and the quote while out of context was accurate.

So if that quote was out of context, the more insidious for the TIMES to put it at the top of the report.

I'm sure you can all draw your own conclusions why they did that ...

1190 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:20:51am

re: #1188 albusteve

Sticky Fingers
top five, easily. maybe higher

now I get it!

The Stones ,, The Beatles ,, The Dreck !

1191 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:21:07am

re: #1158 yma o hyd

WOW! The online "full text" of Obama's speech at MSNBC does not include that sentence about the settlements! Yet, in the video clip from UK's Sky News he clearly mentions "settlements".

What gives, Obama? Why was that sentence edited out of the "full text" released to the media?

1192 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:21:17am

re: #1180 Creeping Eruption

Thanks. Anyone else?

Kemaan, by Wock. A French rock band fronted by a Senegalese guy (Abdou Guite' Seck), singing in Wolof (Senegalese language). You'll have to go someplace like the French Amazon.com site to find it. They only released one album; Seck is a solo artist now.

1193 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:21:58am

re: #1185 yma o hyd

Even given that he was speaking for a Muslim audience, this is a huge diplomatic gaffe - no statesman can publicly accuse another state without there being consequences. Its unheard of.

I can't even begin to say how much more I loathe that FCBBHO!

Well:
* guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 9 January 2008 19.06 GMT

The US president, George Bush, today criticized the presence of unauthorized settlements in the West Bank in his first press conference inside Israel.

Standing alongside the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, Bush was asked about the settlements. He said: "Outposts, yeah, they ought to go."

1194 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:21:59am

re: #1190 sattv4u2

now I get it!

The Stones ,, The Beatles ,, The Dreck !

don't forget Little Feat...the greatest live show eveh!

1195 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:22:54am

BTW - since 7 a.m. this morning, the polling stations have been open, for the elections to the EU Parliament and for some local elections.
They close at 10 p.m., so results will trickle in overnight.
I'm sure you'll know the outcome earlier than me, because my eyes close p.d.q., once head hits pillow ...

1196 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:23:17am

re: #1192 Ward Cleaver
Stuck Mojo is nice for all occasions!
With goin on ...Just ayin!
Weddings and Funerals...Not so much!

1197 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:23:17am

re: #1194 albusteve

don't forget Little Feat...the greatest live show eveh!

LOL. The last time I saw Little Feat I stopped drinking for 7 1/2 years.

1198 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:23:28am

re: #1191 Kenneth

WOW! The online "full text" of Obama's speech at MSNBC does not include that sentence about the settlements! Yet, in the video clip from UK's Sky News he clearly mentions "settlements".

What gives, Obama? Why was that sentence edited out of the "full text" released to the media?

I wonder if the text released to the MFM in the Middle East has it.

1199 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:24:01am

K Kiddies,, full day ahead of me even though it's drizzling here in Atlanta

BBL

1200 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:24:18am

re: #1191 Kenneth

WOW! The online "full text" of Obama's speech at MSNBC does not include that sentence about the settlements! Yet, in the video clip from UK's Sky News he clearly mentions "settlements".

What gives, Obama? Why was that sentence edited out of the "full text" released to the media?

Interesting!
Did his minions do the editing - or was it the MFM themselves?
Do they (whoever it was) not trust the North American peoples with such information?

1201 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:24:28am

re: #1196 reloadingisnotahobby

Wow my fingers are messed up...

1202 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:24:40am

re: #1193 avanti

If Israel should stop building on the disputed territories, then so should the Palestinians. Nobody complained when Jordan occupied the West Bank, tore down Jewish communities and build settlements for Arabs. Double standard again.

1203 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:24:43am

re: #1180 Creeping Eruption

I don't do albums much anymore , but Jackie Greene's Giving Up the Ghost, and Gary Jules' Bird are great...
And the soundtracks from Magnolias and Knocked Up
are decent.

1204 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:24:45am

re: #1197 Creeping Eruption

LOL. The last time I saw Little Feat I stopped drinking for 7 1/2 years.

funny ,,, I staretd drinking for 7 1/2 years after I saw them !

1205 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:24:47am

re: #1191 Kenneth

WOW! The online "full text" of Obama's speech at MSNBC does not include that sentence about the settlements! Yet, in the video clip from UK's Sky News he clearly mentions "settlements".

What gives, Obama? Why was that sentence edited out of the "full text" released to the media?

0 used the jedi mind trick on them it won't be long until the MSM starts reporting about the hatchet job Sky News is doing on 0bama.

1206 KenJen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:24:49am

re: #1198 MandyManners

I wonder if the text released to the MFM in the Middle East has it.

Probably in bold lettering with huge red arrows pointing at it.

1207 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:25:04am

re: #1136 Creeping Eruption

OT: Bored with my music. Taking suggestions from anyones top 10 albums of all time, any genre.

Matisyahu "Shake off the Dust...Arise" and "Live at Stubbs"

1208 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:25:08am

re: #1178 avanti

Fair enough. Can we agree it'll be very hard, perhaps impossible, but worth trying ? BTW, I appreciate the rsonable tone in your comment.

It's worth trying, but only up to a point. Once it becames clear the other side isn't listening, you have stop extending an open hand, clench your own fists, and start pounding on them. After you've done that for a bit, maybe they'll get the message that trying to attack you isn't worth it. If not, pound some more.

1209 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:25:18am

re: #1200 yma o hyd

The test version at Atlantic does have that sentence. How odd.

1210 johnnyreb  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:25:31am

re: #1185 yma o hyd

Even given that he was speaking for a Muslim audience, this is a huge diplomatic gaffe - no statesman can publicly accuse another state without there being consequences. Its unheard of.

I can't even begin to say how much more I loathe that FCBBHO!


This whole thing stinks. All during the campaign we could not even say he had Muslim roots, say his middle name, or that he went to a Muslim school, etc. Even on here some would call people nuts if they even said he might have grown up in a Muslim household or went to a Mosque. Now he is tossing out that he is practically a Muslim, and not a single news outlet is calling him on the incredible level of hypocrisy.

1211 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:25:58am

re: #1203 tradewind

I don't do albums much anymore , but Jackie Greene's Giving Up the Ghost, and Gary Jules' Bird are great...
And the soundtracks from Magnolias and Knocked Up
are decent.

I haven't heard much of Gary Jules, but I liked his cover of "Mad World".

1212 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:26:07am

re: #1193 avanti

Well:
* guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 9 January 2008 19.06 GMT

The US president, George Bush, today criticized the presence of unauthorized settlements in the West Bank in his first press conference inside Israel.

Standing alongside the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, Bush was asked about the settlements. He said: "Outposts, yeah, they ought to go."

Inside Israel, standing next to Olmert - these are the oeprational words here.

You can, even as President, criticise a friend to his face - you do not criticise him when addressing an audience which is totally hostile to that country and statesman.

1213 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:26:24am

re: #1197 Creeping Eruption

LOL. The last time I saw Little Feat I stopped drinking for 7 1/2 years.

time to see them again...coming to a town near you!

1214 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:26:33am

re: #1181 Killgore Trout

They are in charge of the event. Look at the sponsors: Glenn Beck and Ron Paul.

Good catch, Kilgore. Sponsors like those will keep me away from any event.

1215 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:26:47am

re: #1205 soxfan4life

It's the protection from the shadow secret service... aka the MSM.

1216 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:27:00am

re: #1210 johnnyreb


He won, that is all that is important to the news outlets.

1217 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:27:02am

re: #1207 Kosh's Shadow

Matisyahu "Shake off the Dust...Arise" and "Live at Stubbs"

I have Live at Stubbs, maybe I'll check out Shake off the dust. Thanks.

1218 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:27:10am

re: #1134 yma o hyd

Looks like it - the Beeb says he was found 'by a hotel maid sitting in a wardrobe with a rope around his neck and body on Thursday morning.'

The Telegraph adds one detail that's somewhat disturbing.

Dead in wardrobe

1219 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:27:13am

re: #1182 Ward Cleaver

Ding! I applaud Walmart, too. Although I think the unions will have an easier go of it, I also believe that as long as employees believe they're getting a fair shake from their employers, they'll be less inclined to unionize.

Unions ultimately suck the life out of any business. Democrats do not understand that businesses are there to make a profit. The democrat-socialists and the unions thugs will drain any business of its profitability and then the business will be out of business. No matter - they can blame capitalism! Democrats are hopelessly in love with unattainable feel-good legacy costs and making sure business is run like government welfare. yeah- that's gonna work.

1220 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:27:33am

re: #1205 soxfan4life

0 used the jedi Sith mind trick on them it won't be long until the MSM starts reporting about the hatchet job Sky News is doing on 0bama.

fixed. Darth Bama is a Sith.

1221 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:28:20am

re: #1193 avanti

Well:
* guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 9 January 2008 19.06 GMT

The US president, George Bush, today criticized the presence of unauthorized settlements in the West Bank in his first press conference inside Israel.

Standing alongside the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, Bush was asked about the settlements. He said: "Outposts, yeah, they ought to go."


The difference is that Bush was in Israel making the comment , not in the heart of the Muslim world ctricising Israel. I think that is a big difference.

1222 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:28:52am

re: #1207 Kosh's Shadow

Matisyahu "Shake off the Dust...Arise" and "Live at Stubbs"

STUBB'S!
2 pts

1223 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:28:58am

re: #1189 yma o hyd

So if that quote was out of context, the more insidious for the TIMES to put it at the top of the report.

I'm sure you can all draw your own conclusions why they did that ...

Here's another one from Bush about settlements. BTW, not blaming Bush, 3 or 4 POTUS's tried to stop the building of settlements.

Bush.

1224 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:29:00am

re: #1220 Dark_Falcon

fixed. Darth Bama is a Sith.


Is 0 the apprentice and Soros the master?

1225 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:29:00am

re: #1188 albusteve

Sticky Fingers
top five, easily. maybe higher

A top 10 would be an interesting thread.

1226 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:29:23am

Reading the flow of conversation on a OOT boggles the brain.

1227 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:29:50am

re: #1226 MandyManners

Reading the flow of conversation on a OOT boggles the brain.

/Is that a Canadian message board?

1228 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:30:27am

re: #1224 soxfan4life

Is 0 the apprentice and Soros the master?

Exactly. Darth Soros is the master.

1229 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:31:05am

re: #1225 Creeping Eruption

A top 10 would be an interesting thread.

have to restrict the genre...
just too overwhelming otherwise...
95% of recorded music does nothing for me

1230 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:31:35am

re: #1211 Ward Cleaver

Been a Long Time is a great single from that album.
I forgot to add another album... Guster's Ganging Up On the Sun, best single is One Man Wrecking Machine.

1231 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:31:58am

re: #1156 Beach Lover

oh... gotcha! well, thats exciting! At least he gave you the plane! ;-) Why dont you get your license?

I at least want to know the basics in case of...you know.
:-0
Oh, noes!

1232 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:32:16am

re: #1229 albusteve

have to restrict the genre...
just too overwhelming otherwise...
95% of recorded music does nothing for me

It is a hard proposition,. no doubt. I've tried it and only have about 4-6 albums I could positively say (IMHO) are in the top 10.

1233 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:32:17am

re: #1136 Creeping Eruption

OT: Bored with my music. Taking suggestions from anyones top 10 albums of all time, any genre.

The Shaggs, Philosophy of the World

1234 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:33:01am

re: #1191 Kenneth

Time to compare it to the FoxNews report, which does show it.

Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.

At the same time, Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop.

Israel must also live up to its obligations to ensure that Palestinians can live, and work, and develop their society. And just as it devastates Palestinian families, the continuing humanitarian crisis in Gaza does not serve Israel's security; neither does the continuing lack of opportunity in the West Bank. Progress in the daily lives of the Palestinian people must be part of a road to peace, and Israel must take concrete steps to enable such progress.

The MSNBC text from the relevant section omits reference to settlements. It's a curious omission.

1235 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:33:02am

re: #1202 Kenneth

If Israel should stop building on the disputed territories, then so should the Palestinians. Nobody complained when Jordan occupied the West Bank, tore down Jewish communities and build settlements for Arabs. Double standard again.

Palestinians have built illegal settlements all over Jerusalem, and the UN complains when Israel attempts to tear them down. There are even Israeli leftist organizations dedicated to protecting Palestinian illegal settlements while demanding the removal of all Jewish ones.

1236 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:33:23am

More on albums:
If you like Zappa and the Mothers, try
Freak Out!
We're Only in it for the Money

And another group (which is referred to in We're Only in it for the Money, as "a shitty a group as Frank Zappa's), The Velvet Underground; their "Velvet Underground and Nico" album.

1237 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:33:40am

re: #1221 opnion

The difference is that Bush was in Israel making the comment , not in the heart of the Muslim world ctricising Israel. I think that is a big difference.

Can you give BHO some credit then for criticizing the Muslim world and expressing US support for Israel in a Muslim capital.Just saying.

1238 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:33:50am
1239 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:34:28am

re: #1230 tradewind

Been a Long Time is a great single from that album.
I forgot to add another album... Guster's Ganging Up On the Sun, best single is One Man Wrecking Machine.

I first heard his "Mad World" on an episode of CSI. TV shows run lots of cuts from independent artists nowadays; just wish they would list the cuts in the closing credits, like movies do.

1240 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:35:01am

re: #1234 lawhawk

Time to compare it to the FoxNews report, which does show it.

The MSNBC text from the relevant section omits reference to settlements. It's a curious omission.

Thanks for that fair and balanced update.

1241 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:35:05am

re: #1236 Kosh's Shadow

More on albums:
If you like Zappa and the Mothers, try
Freak Out!
We're Only in it for the Money

And another group (which is referred to in We're Only in it for the Money, as "a shitty a group as Frank Zappa's), The Velvet Underground; their "Velvet Underground and Nico" album.

Velvet Underground? Elephant's Memory, too.

1242 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:35:06am

re: #1234 lawhawk

Time to compare it to the FoxNews report, which does show it.


The MSNBC text from the relevant section omits reference to settlements. It's a curious omission.

One would say that it might even be an intentional ommission. Gasp!

1243 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:35:24am

re: #1223 avanti

Here's another one from Bush about settlements. BTW, not blaming Bush, 3 or 4 POTUS's tried to stop the building of settlements.

Bush.

Again - he said this not in front of a Muslim audience, in a Muslim country.

Its about the place where PB0 felt it apaprently encessary to say this - not that he said it, so much.

How, do you think, would an American President have reacted if, say a British PM had condemned US Politics in front of the Soviet Parliament, at the height of the Cold War?

Thats the parallel.

1244 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:36:08am

re: #1210 johnnyreb

This whole thing stinks. All during the campaign we could not even say he had Muslim roots, say his middle name, or that he went to a Muslim school, etc. Even on here some would call people nuts if they even said he might have grown up in a Muslim household or went to a Mosque. Now he is tossing out that he is practically a Muslim, and not a single news outlet is calling him on the incredible level of hypocrisy.

Absolutely 1000% correct!

1245 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:36:40am

re: #1229 albusteve

have to restrict the genre...
just too overwhelming otherwise...
95% of recorded music does nothing for me

You like more music than I do. For me 99.9% of music is the cut-off point.

1246 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:36:54am

re: #1241 Ward Cleaver

Velvet Underground? Elephant's Memory, too.

I don't have that one; I'll have to look for it.

1247 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:37:01am

re: #1238 buzzsawmonkey

OK, we found some shaky common ground. We both agree peace is possible, just that my logic on the problem is flawed ? BTW, it may well be, thus the discussion.

1248 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:37:05am

re: #1210 johnnyreb

This whole thing stinks. All during the campaign we could not even say he had Muslim roots, say his middle name, or that he went to a Muslim school, etc. Even on here some would call people nuts if they even said he might have grown up in a Muslim household or went to a Mosque. Now he is tossing out that he is practically a Muslim, and not a single news outlet is calling him on the incredible level of hypocrisy.

Many, many updings!

1249 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:37:33am

re: #1245 FurryOldGuyJeans

You like more music than I do. For me 99.9% of music is the cut-off point.

we are hard to get along with musically...

1250 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:37:35am

re: #1235 Alouette

Settlements have not now, or ever been, an impediment to peace, regardless of what Obama or other Leftists have said in the past.

Gaza's unilateral withdrawal is case in point.
Sinai is case in point.
Israel's obligations to turn control over most of the West Bank to the PA civil administrative control is case in point.

Israel has repeatedly given up its communities in the affected areas, and the results are decidedly mixed. There is peace with Egypt - a cold peace. There is war with Gaza and the West Bank is a melange of no-go areas for Israeli Jews, and terror operations routinely sprout from the Palestinian controlled areas.

Gaza could have been a tourist and economic powerhouse, but Gazans chose war. There are no Israelis there now. It's Jew-free for the first time in centuries. Yet, that's insufficient for the Gazans. They want more. They want Israel to cease to exist.

That's not going to be in Israel's best interests, and how can you make concessions that will satisfy that insatiable desire? You can't. Israel can only have peace after they've defeated Hamas, and make the Palestinians know that they lost- but can win in the long term with a peaceful coexistence in a side-by-side state. The Islamists wont allow it, of course, and Arafat and Abbas both rejected two-state solutions because they couldn't sell the plan to their own people - not after generations of indoctrinating them in hatred.

1251 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:37:47am

re: #1237 avanti

Can you give BHO some credit then for criticizing the Muslim world and expressing US support for Israel in a Muslim capital.Just saying.

No, I can't. I don't trust him and I think he'll act against Israel and in favor of the Arabs. His criticism of Palestinian actions will be dropped in order to "go along to get along". For me to believe in him would require trust, and that I cannot give him.

1252 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:37:47am

re: #1246 Kosh's Shadow

I don't have that one; I'll have to look for it.

Some of their stuff was in Midnight Cowboy; check out its soundtrack.

1253 badger1970  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:37:50am

re: #1100 Ward Cleaver

Same for TX.

1254 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:38:09am

Some great live albums:

James Brown Live at the Apollo
BB King, Live at the Regal and Blues is King
Funkadelic, Let's Take It to the Stage
Johnny Cash, At San Quentin
Allman Brothers, At Fillmore East

1255 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:38:56am

Speaking of soundtracks, Wang Chung's soundtrack for To Live And Die In L.A. is a good one.

1256 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:39:20am

re: #1237 avanti

Can you give BHO some credit then for criticizing the Muslim world and expressing US support for Israel in a Muslim capital.Just saying.

Yes

1257 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:40:57am

re: #1254 Mad Al-Jaffee

Some great live albums:

James Brown Live at the Apollo
BB King, Live at the Regal and Blues is King
Funkadelic, Let's Take It to the Stage
Johnny Cash, At San Quentin
Allman Brothers, At Fillmore East

I put BB King Live at the Cook County Jail in my top 10 of all time. Allman Brothers Fillmore always waivers on the edge. For me it is either Eat a Peach or Wipe The Windows, Check The Oil, Dollar Gas .

1258 KenJen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:41:07am

re: #1237 avanti

Can you give BHO some credit then for criticizing the Muslim world and expressing US support for Israel in a Muslim capital.Just saying.

I didn't hear him criticizing the Muslim world. He criticized what he called the very, very, tiny, itty bitty portion of Muslims who commit violent acts on innocents. He could even say the word terrorists.

1259 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:41:28am

re: #1243 yma o hyd

Again - he said this not in front of a Muslim audience, in a Muslim country.

Its about the place where PB0 felt it apaprently encessary to say this - not that he said it, so much.

How, do you think, would an American President have reacted if, say a British PM had condemned US Politics in front of the Soviet Parliament, at the height of the Cold War?

Thats the parallel.

If you'd listened to the speech, he delivered some harsh words to Muslims in their backyard too. I think he walked a pretty fair line by appearing fair to both sides. The joke around the White House is to keep telling the truth until it doesn't work. I think he told the truth, and neither side will like hearing all of it.

1260 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:41:53am

A collection of reactions to 'that' speech here!

Scroll down a third to get the Israeli reactions ...

1261 Kragar  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:42:00am

David Carridine is dead

1262 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:42:04am

re: #1254 Mad Al-Jaffee

Some great live albums:

James Brown Live at the Apollo
BB King, Live at the Regal and Blues is King
Funkadelic, Let's Take It to the Stage
Johnny Cash, At San Quentin
Allman Brothers, At Fillmore East

Little Feat...Waiting for Columbus (double live)
Stones...Get Yer Ya Yas Out
John Hiatt...Comes Alive at Budokan
you nailed the AB

1263 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:42:05am

re: #1253 badger1970

Same for TX.

Walmart moved really fast. The one superstore in Jefferson went union, and then, bang!, overnight, Walmart laid off all the meatcutters. They probably already had the pre-packaged stuff idea ready to implement in case the union won (which they did).

1264 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:42:23am

Morning all. Haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this has been covered. The other day, Charles linked to an insane rant by Gingi Edmonds on the Tiller case. In that article (nope, won't link to her site and give her hits), she wrote:

I mean, I personally would not shoot an abortionist, but who am I to impose my morality on someone else? If you are against shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one, right?

This morning, Ann Coulter published her column (again, not linking for the same reason). In it, she wrote:

I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?

Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one.

Not only is she nuts, she seems to be okay with plagiarism.

1265 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:42:53am

re: #1258 KenJen

I didn't hear him criticizing the Muslim world. He criticized what he called the very, very, tiny, itty bitty portion of Muslims who commit violent acts on innocents. He could even say the word terrorists.

And he criticized countries that don't let Muslim women keep their heads covered, but not as much Muslim countries that give them second-class status (if that). He did say that women should be literate, but didn't come out much more strongly for their rights (other than the right to wear the hijab.)
He

1266 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:43:16am

re: #1193 avanti

Well:
* guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 9 January 2008 19.06 GMT

The US president, George Bush, today criticized the presence of unauthorized settlements in the West Bank in his first press conference inside Israel.

Standing alongside the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, Bush was asked about the settlements. He said: "Outposts, yeah, they ought to go."

There is a difference between "outposts" and "settlements". In addition President Bush had an agreement with past Israeli Governments that natural growth was OK.

1267 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:43:16am

re: #1257 Creeping Eruption

I put BB King Live at the Cook County Jail in my top 10 of all time. Allman Brothers Fillmore always waivers on the edge. For me it is either Eat a Peach or Wipe The Windows, Check The Oil, Dollar Gas .

Rivals Fillmore East and Ludlow Garage as some of their best (older) live stuff.

1268 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:43:33am

re: #1265 Kosh's Shadow

And he criticized countries that don't let Muslim women keep their heads covered, but not as much Muslim countries that give them second-class status (if that). He did say that women should be literate, but didn't come out much more strongly for their rights (other than the right to wear the hijab.)
He

Too quick on the Post button?

1269 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:43:41am

re: #1250 lawhawk

I don't think Bush was a "leftist"

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush on Thursday called Israeli settlement expansion an "impediment" in revived peace efforts and urged the Jewish state to meet its pledge to dismantle unauthorized settler outposts.

In an interview with Reuters less than a week before his first presidential visit to Israel and the West Bank, Bush voiced optimism for securing an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal by the end of 2008, a goal set at last November's Annapolis conference that has been viewed with some skepticism.

Bush said he would use his trip to keep pressure on both sides, including making clear to Israelis his concern about Jewish settlement activity. Peace talks ahead of Bush's visit have been soured by disputes over continuing settlement construction on occupied land.

"I will talk about Israeli settlement expansion, about how that is, that can be, you know, an impediment to success," he said. "The unauthorized outposts for example need to be dismantled, like the Israelis said they would do."

1270 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:44:13am

re: #1259 avanti

If you'd listened to the speech, he delivered some harsh words to Muslims in their backyard too. I think he walked a pretty fair line by appearing fair to both sides. The joke around the White House is to keep telling the truth until it doesn't work. I think he told the truth, and neither side will like hearing all of it.

Avanti ... take out the "love" part ... to the dems ... your lips are moving ... I cannot hear ... wake up man ..

back to work ...

1271 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:44:13am

re: #1259 avanti

If you'd listened to the speech, he delivered some harsh words to Muslims in their backyard too. I think he walked a pretty fair line by appearing fair to both sides. The joke around the White House is to keep telling the truth until it doesn't work. I think he told the truth, and neither side will like hearing all of it.

Its not about a balance between PB0 delivering some critical words to Muslim countries and to Israel.
Its about where this speech took place!

No statesman can criticise publicly another state in a country and in front of an audience which is hostile (to say the elast!) to that country without grave consequences.
It is simply not done!

1272 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:44:41am

re: #1267 Creeping Eruption

Rivals Fillmore East and Ludlow Garage as some of their best (older) live stuff.

everything passed the Duane years is an asterix...he WAS the band imo

1273 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:44:59am

Just a question & I am not being snarky. Obama spoke the other day about Muslim contributions to America. What are they? If someone comes here & succeeds that is a personal victory , but where are the Muslim contributions?

1274 Dianna  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:45:07am

re: #1261 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

David Carridine is dead

What?

1275 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:45:26am

re: #1264 subsailor68

It sounds to me like Coulter was being sarcastic, reversing the pro-choice line "If you don't like abortions, don't have one." I don't think it's funny or appropriate, but I believe that was her intent.

1276 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:45:34am

Poster being circulated in Israel...
Image: iop.jpg

1277 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:45:36am

re: #1272 albusteve

everything passed the Duane years is an asterix...he WAS the band imo

I can understand that, but I am not that much of a purist.

1278 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:45:41am

re: #1264 subsailor68

Not only is she nuts, she seems to be okay with plagiarism.

With 0bama and Biden as President and Vice-President apparently a majority of Americans are okay with plagiarism as well.

1279 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:45:44am

re: #1266 Nevergiveup

There is a difference between "outposts" and "settlements". In addition President Bush had an agreement with past Israeli Governments that natural growth was OK.

OK, here's a stronger one by Bush on settlements.

Bush on settlements.

1280 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:46:18am

re: #1238 buzzsawmonkey

The problem is that there are two societies, with two different sets of values;

No way, it's duh setilmintz!

/

1282 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:47:11am

Heads exploding...
TARP participation not voluntary?

We should point out that this action occurred under the authority of the Bush administration, if the timeline doesn’t make that obvious. The nine banks that got this Paulson ultimatum did not come to the government, hat in hand, seeking taxpayer money. Paulson told them that they would take the money, and that the Bush administration would have regulators impose that condition on them by essentially misrepresenting their relative financial health.

The bolded part isn't true but, whatever.

The Obama administration has thus far rebuffed those efforts, claiming that they’re not healthy enough to pay back the money. If they weren’t sick enough to need it in the first place, why can’t they pay it back now? Simple: the Obama administration likes this tool, and doesn’t want to surrender its leverage until they’re finished overhauling the American economic system to their liking.

Ed must not be aware that the banks are raising capital this week to pay back TARP.
Oh, well.

1283 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:47:12am

re: #1269 avanti

Every American President has mentioned Israeli Settlements, but none has been as direct and unmoving ( even not allowing natural growth ) as Obama. And President Bush specifically put the onus on the Arabs to reign in the terror. Not on Israelis to reign in the Carpenters! Please learn alittle about the history before you post.

1284 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:47:26am
1285 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:47:35am

re: #1274 Dianna

What?

Ooh!
How sad!
found hanging in his hotel room.

1286 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:47:52am

re: #1277 Creeping Eruption

I can understand that, but I am not that much of a purist.

I'm as pure as the windblown snow...there is as much to debate about music as most any topic

1287 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:47:56am

re: #1279 avanti

OK, here's a stronger one by Bush on settlements.

Bush on settlements.

OK and here again:

Every American President has mentioned Israeli Settlements, but none has been as direct and unmoving ( even not allowing natural growth ) as Obama. And President Bush specifically put the onus on the Arabs to reign in the terror. Not on Israelis to reign in the Carpenters! Please learn alittle about the history before you post.

1288 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:48:58am

re: #1259 avanti

If you'd listened to the speech, he delivered some harsh words to Muslims in their backyard too. I think he walked a pretty fair line by appearing fair to both sides. The joke around the White House is to keep telling the truth until it doesn't work. I think he told the truth, and neither side will like hearing all of it.

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT!

1289 Kragar  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:49:03am

David Carradine found hanged in Thai hotel: Police

BANGKOK (Reuters) - U.S. actor David Carradine was found dead, naked and hanging from a rope in the closet of his luxury Bangkok hotel room on Thursday, Thai police said.

Police said they were alerted to the death of the actor -- who starred as the wandering monk in the long-running Kung Fu U.S. television series -- on Thursday morning.

"He was found hanging by a rope in the room's closet," Lieutenant Colonel Pirom Jantrapirom of the Lumpini police station in Bangkok told Reuters.

He said Carradine's body was naked when it was found and there were no signs of any other people in the room. The body has been transferred to a hospital for an autopsy.

1290 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:49:03am

re: #1276 tradewind

Poster being circulated in Israel...
[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

Wow!

1291 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:49:08am

re: #1286 albusteve

I'm as pure as the windblown snow...there is as much to debate about music as most any topic

Vacuum tube amps and the like at your house?

1293 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:49:41am
1294 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:50:02am

re: #779 Nevergiveup

On that note, the local right-wing reactionary hate-filled talk radio show (that I listen to on my commute every day) compared the White House statement on Tiller's murder to the White House statement on Long's murder.

The difference in tone and content was breathtaking, IMO.

/but I am sure it was spin, right?

1295 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:50:39am

re: #1288 MandyManners

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT!

Thank you, {Mandy}!

1296 vxbush  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:50:47am

re: #1289 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

David Carradine found hanged in Thai hotel: Police

Wow. How sad and horrible. I just got in; had some lab tests run this morning, and I see this.

1297 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:50:48am

re: #1274 Dianna

What?

Apparent suicide in Thailand.

1298 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:50:56am

re: #1290 Ward Cleaver

There were some protests by the Israeli right earlier this week. I didn't really look into what their deal was.

1299 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:51:00am

I hereby demand that Obama confirm that his job as President of the United States also includes battling negative stereotypes about atheists, wherever they may appear.

/

1300 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:51:04am

re: #1293 buzzsawmonkey

"Appealing to both sides" is no virtue when one side is out and out wrong.

But it worked so well for Neville Chamberlain.///

1301 Dianna  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:51:17am

re: #1285 reine.de.tout

Ooh!
How sad!
found hanging in his hotel room.

Oh, dear!

1302 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:51:28am

re: #1275 doppelganglander

It sounds to me like Coulter was being sarcastic, reversing the pro-choice line "If you don't like abortions, don't have one." I don't think it's funny or appropriate, but I believe that was her intent.

I agree with you interpretation, but it's still sick. Someone was murdered by a fanatic, that is not a thing to joke about. It must condemned without equivocation. Full Stop.

1303 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:51:56am

re: #1291 Creeping Eruption

Vacuum tube amps and the like at your house?

yes... you get it

1304 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:52:14am
1305 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:52:54am

re: #1284 buzzsawmonkey

his commitment to giving a "state" to people who, if they ever wanted one (questionable), have forfeited any claim to it time and again

... and who, in any event, arleady @#$%! well have one, and have managed to bollocks it up merrily on their own...

1306 Dianna  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:52:55am

re: #1293 buzzsawmonkey

"Appealing to both sides" is no virtue when one side is out and out wrong.

That's never stopped the UN.

1307 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:53:42am

re: #1303 albusteve

yes... you get it

Then this drool is for you: Kipnis Studio powered by McIntosh

1308 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:53:46am

re: #1239 Ward Cleaver

I know... I found the two I listed after watching episodes of Life
Go to the website of the television show, and they usually have a section on the music tracks played in each episode..ABC has a pretty complete site... if not there is a website that lists songs you hear on tv shows... it's not totally complete, but sometimes worth checking out...
[Link: www.tvshowmusic.com...]

1309 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:53:46am

re: #1297 OldLineTexan

Apparent suicide in Thailand.

Could be accidental, too (let's wait to see what police and coroner say).

1310 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:53:48am

Why would anyone want to kill themselves in Thailand? I had a blast when I was there a few years ago.

1311 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:54:00am

re: #1302 Dark_Falcon

I agree with you interpretation, but it's still sick. Someone was murdered by a fanatic, that is not a thing to joke about. It must condemned without equivocation. Full Stop.

I'm with you on that. In addition, the text is simply too close to what Edmonds wrote to be a coincidence IMHO. If this was intended to be sarcasm, and she was taking a shot at Edmonds, why no attribution?

1312 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:54:03am
1313 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:54:04am

Official statement of the Israeli Government here!

All my quotes are from Aussie Dave's blog, 'Israellycool'.

1314 avanti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:54:04am

re: #1288 MandyManners

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT!

Morning Mandy. I need to load a car on a trailer, so I'd better quit before trying to make a detailed comment on the intricacies of your comment. Back later.

1315 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:54:39am

re: #1306 Dianna

That's never stopped the UN.

The UN has been self-serving and self-perpetuating for some time now, which is the eventual destiny of an NGO with aspirations of being a GO.

/

1316 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:54:40am

re: #1304 buzzsawmonkey

Obama says, "I will--so help me G-d."

I'm still searching the Constitution in vain for the "fight negative stereotypes about Muslims" part of the job description for POTUS. So far, no luck. It must be stashed away in some penumbra or emanation.

1317 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:54:41am

re: #1307 Creeping Eruption

Then this drool is for you: Kipnis Studio powered by McIntosh

I'm down with that.

1318 Dianna  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:55:12am

re: #1302 Dark_Falcon

I agree with you interpretation, but it's still sick. Someone was murdered by a fanatic, that is not a thing to joke about. It must condemned without equivocation. Full Stop.

Yes. I read the first three paragraphs, and couldn't go on.

If we're becoming - as Coulter seemed to imply - a society that winks at murder, well...in every single case, I'm sure there is someone who believes another's contributions to the human race can be dispensed with.

1319 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #1313 yma o hyd

Official statement of the Israeli Government here!

All my quotes are from Aussie Dave's blog, 'Israellycool'.

That is about as Diplo-neutral as it comes

1320 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:55:29am

re: #1309 Ward Cleaver

Could be accidental, too (let's wait to see what police and coroner say).

How does one acidentally hang oneself in a closet? But, I did say "apparent".

/sensitivity training in action

1321 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:55:38am

re: #1259 avanti

If you'd listened to the speech, he delivered some harsh words to Muslims in their backyard too. I think he walked a pretty fair line by appearing fair to both sides. The joke around the White House is to keep telling the truth until it doesn't work. I think he told the truth, and neither side will like hearing all of it.

Are you fucking kidding or what? You make it sound like this is a dispute between a homeowner and their HOA. You really are clueless.

1322 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:55:42am

re: #1307 Creeping Eruption

Then this drool is for you: Kipnis Studio powered by McIntosh

no Koss headphones?...pffft!

1323 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:55:56am

re: #1313 yma o hyd

They seem outraged.
/

1324 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:55:57am
1325 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:56:28am

re: #1320 OldLineTexan

How does one acidentally hang oneself in a closet?


You don't wanna know.

1326 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:56:36am

re: #1305 Occasional Reader

... and who, in any event, arleady @#$%! well have one, and have managed to bollocks it up merrily on their own...

Quite seriously: Am I missing something? Is there any concrete, intelligent set of points regarding which of the necessary attributes of "statehood" the Palestinians are still allegedly missing?

1327 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #1322 albusteve

no Koss headphones?...pffft!

Glad you like Koss. Their world headquarters is right here in Milwaukee.

1328 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:57:52am

re: #1319 Creeping Eruption

That is about as Diplo-neutral as it comes

Yep - just goes to show how such things are handled amongst proper, grown-up states!
Its diplomatic language - something PB0 seems not to have the faintest inkling of!

Relationships between states cannot be handled as if they were just some bigger community issues. They need statesmen, not community organisers ...

1329 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:57:57am

re: #1310 Mad Al-Jaffee

Why would anyone want to kill themselves in Thailand? I had a blast when I was there a few years ago.

I hear the traffic in Bangkok can at least get one contemplating suicide pretty easily.

1330 tradewind  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:58:42am

re: #1290 Ward Cleaver

There's proof that one picture is worth a thousand words...

1331 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:59:00am

re: #1327 Creeping Eruption

Glad you like Koss. Their world headquarters is right here in Milwaukee.

your biker gig is one of the best street parties I've ever been to...Little Feat has rocked that gig manys the time...what a blastola...it's so far away for me now

1332 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:59:11am

re: #1326 Occasional Reader

Quite seriously: Am I missing something? Is there any concrete, intelligent set of points regarding which of the necessary attributes of "statehood" the Palestinians are still allegedly missing?

Yes, the existence of Israel.

1333 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 8:59:45am

re: #1293 buzzsawmonkey

"Appealing to both sides" is no virtue when one side is out and out wrong.

Sometimes I wish I has a sockpuppet, because I hate that I can only upding this post once.

1334 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:00:14am

re: #1332 Walter L. Newton

Yes, the existence of Israel.

Or, the existence of other Arabs that find their "statelessness" convenient.

1335 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:00:36am

re: #1333 Dark_Falcon

I gave him one for you.

1336 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:00:50am

re: #1333 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes I wish I has a sockpuppet, because I hate that I can only upding this post once.

it wouldn't even be noticed with those astronomical numbers

1337 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:01:21am

re: #1329 Occasional Reader

I hear the traffic in Bangkok can at least get one contemplating suicide pretty easily.

Yeah, fortunately I never drove when I was there.

1338 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:02:48am

Real, fake, spoof, satire or hoax?
Drill, Baby Drill: The Erotic Musings of Glenn Beck part 1

No really, this is Glenn Beck's actual written-down, published work.

He's wacky enough that I suppose it's possible but it just seems too odd to be real.

1339 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:02:53am

re: #1314 avanti

Morning Mandy. I need to load a car on a trailer, so I'd better quit before trying to make a detailed comment on the intricacies of your comment. Back later.

Looks like you finally made him mad , Mandy. That comment was more snarky than he usually gets.

1340 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:04:29am

Here is a very good take on PB0's speech by Carl in Jerusalem.

RTWT!

1341 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:05:02am

The story seems to have been around a while...
Glenn Beck's Incest Fantasy


What you just read were excerpts of a passage (pp. 154-159) from Beck's book, The Real America: Messages from the Heart and Heartland,copyright 2003.

On page160, Beck writes, in explanation: “So, what's the point? Why did I spend a whole chapter talking about a committed loving relationship with my sister? I did it because right now there is an organized ongoing effort to try to bend your values. To slowly shape your deepest beliefs into toleration and eventually acceptance.”

1342 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:05:19am

I've got to get to work. BBT.

1343 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:05:29am

re: #1328 yma o hyd

Yep - just goes to show how such things are handled amongst proper, grown-up states!
Its diplomatic language - something PB0 seems not to have the faintest inkling of!

Relationships between states cannot be handled as if they were just some bigger community issues. They need statesmen, not community organisers ...

Harry S. Truman -- "A politician is a man who understands government. A statesman is a politician who's been dead for 15 years."

1344 Dianna  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:06:13am

re: #1338 Killgore Trout

I watched 10 seconds and fled.

1345 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:06:46am

re: #1344 Dianna

Yeah, I couldn't watch the whole thing either.

1346 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:07:19am

re: #1334 OldLineTexan

Or, the existence of other Arabs that find their "statelessness" convenient.

They have their own territory, a permanent population, government (well, a couple of 'em, actually, but that's THEIR problem), military (ditto), UN representation... is there any non-"wipe out Israel"-related attribute of statehood that's left? (If I'm not mistaken, they don't have their own currency, but then again, neither do Ecuador or Panama.)

1347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #1309 Ward Cleaver

Could be accidental, too (let's wait to see what police and coroner say).

Hotel housekeeper found the body. How often does that happen.

Add to list...reasons not be a hotel housekeeper.

1348 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #1341 Killgore Trout

False outrage and/or deliberate misunderstanding.

"Julie" doesn't like the icky way Glenn Beck chose to (attempt to) make his point.

Call the effing wahmbulance.

1349 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:08:44am

re: #1348 OldLineTexan

Agreed. It's still creepy though.

1350 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:08:54am

re: #1343 OldLineTexan

Harry S. Truman -- "A politician is a man who understands government. A statesman is a politician who's been dead for 15 years."

Heh.
When I look at some of the current crop of heads of state, they sure seem to have been dead for longer thafn 15 years ...

1351 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:08:57am

re: #1346 Occasional Reader

They have their own territory, a permanent population, government (well, a couple of 'em, actually, but that's THEIR problem), military (ditto), UN representation... is there any non-"wipe out Israel"-related attribute of statehood that's left? (If I'm not mistaken, they don't have their own currency, but then again, neither do Ecuador or Panama.)

(And of course, that's leaving out the whole inconvenient fact that they also have an ENTIRE OTHER state, called "Jordan".)

1352 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:09:03am

re: #1346 Occasional Reader

They have their own territory, a permanent population, government (well, a couple of 'em, actually, but that's THEIR problem), military (ditto), UN representation... is there any non-"wipe out Israel"-related attribute of statehood that's left? (If I'm not mistaken, they don't have their own currency, but then again, neither do Ecuador or Panama.)

Are the camps all closed? Everyone is "home"?

1353 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:09:47am

Dennis Prager is talking about Obama's speech in Cairo. He is not that critical of Obama.

1354 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:10:15am

re: #1352 OldLineTexan

Are the camps all closed? Everyone is "home"?

They could be home except the Arabs insist that they go nowhere but Israel, so that Israel becomes another Arab state.

1355 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:10:29am

re: #1349 Killgore Trout

Agreed. It's still creepy though.

I find all attempts at erotic literature (amateur, professional, or sarcastic) somewhat creepy. I suppose it could be inner prudishness on my part, but there you have it. I can get the point without (a) agreeing or (b) enjoying it in the least.

1356 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:10:40am

Ok , I just heard our presient quoting the "Holy Koran" at Cairo U.
Hmmm
He futher credited Islam for the Enightenment in Europe.
This whole idea about mending fences with Islam baffles me.
How about, "Your coreligionists attacked us , killing 3,000 people.
where was the outrage among Muslims? Americans need to hear that."

1357 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:11:47am

re: #1269 avanti

Bush was also wrong on the settlements - but that was largely taking language from the State Department, which has repeatedly pushed a leftist agenda. They chafed under the bush Administration efforts to forge close ties with Israel, hoping to strengthen ties to the corrupt regimes elsewhere in the region. Now, Obama is following along with the Arabist State Department, despite the fact that the Arab regimes have repeatedly shown no interest in peaceful relations with Israel.

1358 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:11:55am

re: #1354 Kosh's Shadow

They could be home except the Arabs insist that they go nowhere but Israel, so that Israel becomes another Arab state.

It was partly rhetorical ... the camps are open, the political football is still in play on the Arab/Muslim* side.

I use this because I am unsure as to how much of the enmity is racial/tribal, and how much is religion-based.

1359 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:13:06am

re: #1351 Occasional Reader

(And of course, that's leaving out the whole inconvenient fact that they also have an ENTIRE OTHER state, called "Jordan".)

no one even mentions Jordanian rejection...the obvious solution is right there where it started

1360 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:13:10am

re: #622 reine.de.tout

Watch a few TV shows and movies and notice how many of the malevolent racist sadistic idiots have a really strong "southern" accent.


Thank Hollywood! I have heard over the years from my melanin enhanced friends that they prefer living in the South because we keep our racists out in the open where up north they got politely stabbed in the back. They would rather be able to identify the rednecks readily.

Peoples is peoples and you will find bigotry everywhere. I theorize that a lot of the issues were at least dealt with openly in the South during the civil rights era where up north they pretended not to have the same issues. In the long run the environment for race relations is much healthier IMO when you get into souther cosmopolitan areas.

But I'm a transplanted Yankee and a cracker what the heck do I know.../

1361 poteen  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:13:21am

check out Hot Air.

Look for ACORN counting graveyards in the census.

1362 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:13:29am

re: #1352 OldLineTexan

Are the camps all closed? Everyone is "home"?

I know you're being sarcastic (well, I think I know), but even if we took that Palestinian fine whine at face value, even THAT does not affect the question. The presence of refugees from area Y within State X does not mean that State X is not a state.

1363 yma o hyd  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:13:43am

re: #1356 opnion

Ok , I just heard our presient quoting the "Holy Koran" at Cairo U.
Hmmm
He futher credited Islam for the Enightenment in Europe.
This whole idea about mending fences with Islam baffles me.
How about, "Your coreligionists attacked us , killing 3,000 people.
where was the outrage among Muslims? Americans need to hear that."

He did what?
Crediting Islam for the European Enlightenment?

The sound you just heard was my jaw hitting the floor ...

1364 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:13:48am

re: #1355 OldLineTexan

I find all attempts at erotic literature (amateur, professional, or sarcastic) somewhat creepy. I suppose it could be inner prudishness on my part, but there you have it. I can get the point without (a) agreeing or (b) enjoying it in the least.

"prudishness", no.
My conclusion is that at some point in your life you actually grew up.

1365 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:14:22am

re: #1359 albusteve

no one even mentions Jordanian rejection...the obvious solution is right there where it started

That's because the little Hashemite clan feels that they are perfectly entitled to claim 80% of the designated Jewish homeland as their very own kingdom for ever and ever.

1366 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:14:22am

re: #1360 DaddyG

Thank Hollywood! I have heard over the years from my melanin enhanced friends that they prefer living in the South because we keep our racists out in the open where up north they got politely stabbed in the back. They would rather be able to identify the rednecks readily.

Peoples is peoples and you will find bigotry everywhere. I theorize that a lot of the issues were at least dealt with openly in the South during the civil rights era where up north they pretended not to have the same issues. In the long run the environment for race relations is much healthier IMO when you get into souther cosmopolitan areas.

But I'm a transplanted Yankee and a cracker what the heck do I know.../

Well, Massachusetts was one of the first states to restrict blacks to special cars on trains; down South they could go in any car (if they had a note from their employer).

1367 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:15:07am

re: #1362 Occasional Reader

I know you're being sarcastic (well, I think I know), but even if we took that Palestinian fine whine at face value, even THAT does not affect the question. The presence of refugees from area Y within State X does not mean that State X is not a state.

It was sarcastic ... the Palestinian "problem" is of no value to the Arab/Islamic states if it is NOT a problem. Therefore, it has been kept a problem since 1921.

1368 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:15:16am

re: #1355 OldLineTexan

I find all attempts at erotic literature (amateur, professional, or sarcastic)

I'm intrigued by the idea of sarcastic erotic literature.

"He slowly ran his tongue down the firm muscles of her flat, taut belly... yeah, like that's gonna do anything..."

1369 Summersong  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:15:41am

OT -Realwest - Please add my son to the prayer list.

He is off on a surfing trip to República de Nicaragua.

*Sigh* I stay in a constant state of worry when my kids are too far away from me.

1370 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:16:09am

re: #1363 yma o hyd

He did what?
Crediting Islam for the European Enlightenment?

The sound you just heard was my jaw hitting the floor ...

George Clooney took credit for the civil rights movement, so why not?

1371 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:16:25am

re: #1364 reine.de.tout

"prudishness", no.
My conclusion is that at some point in your life you actually grew up.

/sigh

Don't remind me!

1372 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:16:52am

re: #1357 lawhawk

Bush was also wrong on the settlements - but that was largely taking language from the State Department, which has repeatedly pushed a leftist agenda. They chafed under the bush Administration efforts to forge close ties with Israel, hoping to strengthen ties to the corrupt regimes elsewhere in the region. Now, Obama is following along with the Arabist State Department, despite the fact that the Arab regimes have repeatedly shown no interest in peaceful relations with Israel.

And Bush also had an agreement with the Israeli Government that natural growth was, well natural. And whatever criticism the Bush Administration had about the Israeli towns and cities on the West Bank, it was not viscerally nasty like Obama's is. And the Obama Administration is disavowing those agreements that The Bush Administration had made. Dependable Allie?

1373 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:16:54am

re: #1365 Alouette

That's because the little Hashemite clan feels that they are perfectly entitled to claim 80% of the designated Jewish homeland as their very own kingdom for ever and ever.

The Hashemites want the state, but they won't take the people.
Since the Hashemite leaders were thrown out of Saudi Arabia, maybe we give them back Saudi Arabia, and let the Palis have Jordan. Think they'll be happier with all the oil money?

1374 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:17:15am

re: #1365 Alouette

That's because the little Hashemite clan feels that they are perfectly entitled to claim 80% of the designated Jewish homeland as their very own kingdom for ever and ever.

too many enablers...history has been completely trashed...the settlements issue is a glaring example...diplomats enjoy complicating matters beyond ant rational meaning...it just goes on and on

1375 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:17:37am

re: #1368 Occasional Reader

I'm intrigued by the idea of sarcastic erotic literature.

"He slowly ran his tongue down the firm muscles of her flat, taut belly... yeah, like that's gonna do anything..."

A sarcasm detector? That's a really useful invention!
/

1376 Kragar  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:17:43am

re: #1368 Occasional Reader

I'm intrigued by the idea of sarcastic erotic literature.

"He slowly ran his tongue down the firm muscles of her flat, taut belly... yeah, like that's gonna do anything..."

Which reminds me of this:

1377 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:17:56am

re: #1368 Occasional Reader

I'm intrigued by the idea of sarcastic erotic literature.

"He slowly ran his tongue down the firm muscles of her flat, taut belly... yeah, like that's gonna do anything..."

I think that is a great start.

Luiterally, however - Beck wrote some fairly steamy prose in his attempt. Much better than my romance novel's beginning ...

"His pulse exploded as he ripped off her babushka ..."

/

1378 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:17:57am

re: #1370 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

George Clooney took credit for the civil rights movement, so why not?

And Al Gore invented the Internet - Geez we could write an alternate history of the world according to these idiots! Which is, I guess, what they've been trying to do all along...

1379 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:18:17am

re: #1360 DaddyG

Thank Hollywood! I have heard over the years from my melanin enhanced friends that they prefer living in the South because we keep our racists out in the open where up north they got politely stabbed in the back. They would rather be able to identify the rednecks readily.

Peoples is peoples and you will find bigotry everywhere. I theorize that a lot of the issues were at least dealt with openly in the South during the civil rights era where up north they pretended not to have the same issues. In the long run the environment for race relations is much healthier IMO when you get into souther cosmopolitan areas.

But I'm a transplanted Yankee and a cracker what the heck do I know.../

This is true.
I find these days (except for the usual racist suspects, KKK and similar groups), we tend to just take people as they come to us, regardless of skin.

A dear friend of mine is a black lady I worked with before I retired. A couple of years ago, after my mom died, she understood my pain more than anyone. Every day for 3 months she checked in with me to make sure I was doing OK and offer words of sympathy and encouragement. She will never know how much I appreciated it.

1380 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:18:19am

re: #1373 Kosh's Shadow

The Hashemites want the state, but they won't take the people.
Since the Hashemite leaders were thrown out of Saudi Arabia, maybe we give them back Saudi Arabia, and let the Palis have Jordan. Think they'll be happier with all the oil money?

And they'd control the Black Rock.

1381 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:19:03am

re: #1358 OldLineTexan

It was partly rhetorical ... the camps are open, the political football is still in play on the Arab/Muslim* side.

I use this because I am unsure as to how much of the enmity is racial/tribal, and how much is religion-based.

The hatred has been going on long enough that the basis is now just to hate, rationale is no longer necessary or operative.

1382 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:19:21am

It's getting interesting, Air France crash...

"A Spanish pilot said he saw an "intense flash" in the area where Flight 447 came down off the coast of Brazil, while a Brazilian minister appeared to rule out a mid-air explosion."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Without any proof on my part, and explosion would best explain everything that they know happened.

1383 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:19:56am

Easily debunked right wing talking points...
Sean Hannity's complete break with reality (DKos link)

Debunking this stuff is too easy. Why bother?

1384 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:20:03am

re: #1381 FurryOldGuyJeans

The hatred has been going on long enough that the basis is now just to hate, rationale is no longer necessary or operative.

Jawbone Diplomacy

1385 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:20:13am

re: #1381 FurryOldGuyJeans

The hatred has been going on long enough that the basis is now just to hate, rationale is no longer necessary or operative.

Like the chimp/banana/stacking block anecdotal experiment. I can acept that.

1386 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:20:19am

re: #1377 OldLineTexan

I think that is a great start.

Luiterally, however - Beck wrote some fairly steamy prose in his attempt. Much better than my romance novel's beginning ...

"His pulse exploded as he ripped off her babushka ..."

/

I like islamist erotic literature: "Mohammed felt his heart race as he stared at Fatima's exposed ankle..."

1387 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:20:43am

re: #1378 CIA Reject

an alternate history of the world according to these idiots!

Well, there is your title.

1388 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:20:52am

re: #1384 albusteve

Jawbone Diplomacy

First practiced by Samson.

Now it's just the asses.

/cutting out the middleman

1389 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:21:45am

re: #1386 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I like islamist erotic literature: "Mohammed felt his heart race as he stared at Fatima's exposed ankle..."

Just take the Victorian stuff and change names and locales ...

1390 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:21:54am

re: #1386 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I like islamist erotic literature: "Mohammed felt his heart race as he stared at Fatima's exposed ankle..."

And much to Fatimas chagrin . . . in walked Mohammeds favorite goat . . . inshalla. You could cut the tension in the tent with a scimitar . . .

1391 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:22:28am

re: #1382 Walter L. Newton

It's getting interesting, Air France crash...

"A Spanish pilot said he saw an "intense flash" in the area where Flight 447 came down off the coast of Brazil, while a Brazilian minister appeared to rule out a mid-air explosion."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Without any proof on my part, and explosion would best explain everything that they know happened.

They have a sequence of automated messages telling how things broke apart. I wonder if that indicates how the plane was moving (accelerometer data)? If so, they'd have a very good idea if it was turbulence or something else.
I'll see what AvWeek says about it and keep lizards posted.

1392 albusteve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:22:40am

re: #1388 OldLineTexan

First practiced by Samson.

Now it's just the asses.

/cutting out the middleman

Space Odysse

1393 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:23:16am

re: #1390 Creeping Eruption

And much to Fatimas chagrin . . . in walked Mohammeds favorite goat . . . inshalla.

Or, that could be the opening to a Penthouse: Tehran Edition letter.

1394 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:24:40am

re: #1392 albusteve

Space Odysse

Now, if the black rock were actually a black pylon ...

1395 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:25:41am

re: #1394 OldLineTexan

"Monolith", sorry.

1396 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:27:14am
1397 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:31:27am

Cindy Sheehan continues to become more and more like a caricature of herself, or like someone from The Onion:

[Link: wmgt.com...]

1398 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:33:59am

re: #1396 FrogMarch

Why are conservatives so mean?

De Tocqueville's on my reading list. I just bumped him up a few notches. Narcissistic metrosexuals! Hah!

1399 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:35:11am

re: #1397 Mad Al-Jaffee

Cindy Sheehan continues to become more and more like a caricature of herself, or like someone from The Onion:

[Link: wmgt.com...]

It is really so sad that it is no longer about her son, whose memory should be honored. Instead, its all about her.

1400 opnion  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:35:18am

re: #1363 yma o hyd

He did what?
Crediting Islam for the European Enlightenment?

The sound you just heard was my jaw hitting the floor ...


Yes he did. He apparently finds Islam very progressive.
But hey, he has now discovered that his father was not an atheist, but a Muslim. That's a forehead slapper.

1401 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:36:33am

re: #1397 Mad Al-Jaffee

Cindy Sheehan continues to become more and more like a caricature of herself, or like someone from The Onion:

[Link: wmgt.com...]

She's had more than her 15 minutes of fame, which is much more than she deserves.
She should STFU, or if not, be completely ignored by the press.

1402 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 1:32:08pm

re: #1186 avanti

Kenneth, he did mention it, and the quote while out of context was accurate.

Yes, as we have learned, some msm sources edited it out, but others have it in. It looks like the official versio0n released by the White House includes the "settlements" sentence. Mistake or intentional? Who knows, but odd.

Quoting by definition takes words out of context. It's unavoidable.


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