R.I.P. Grasshopper.

I dunno why he's so popular for his role in Kill Bill...

Kung Fu is classic though.

R.I.P.

As was said in the temple as he snatched the pebble from his hand, "it is time for you to go"

Got to wonder about the cord wrapped around other parts of the body. Part of me is thinking this wasn't suicide so much as it was an accident.

Uh oh...Do we have another lead singer for INXS deal here?

Wow... just saw Death Race 2000 last Sunday.

RIP Frankenstein

re: #5 ointmentfly

Uh oh...Do we have another lead singer for INXS deal here?

That crossed my mind.

It sounds, with the remark that the cord was also wrapped "around other parts of his body" like David Karridine might have been an aficionado of the exceedingly dangerous sexu8al fetish known as erotic asphyxiation:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I was shocked to read this. I'm very sorry.

Joanna: Well, so what do you wanna do?
Peter Gibbons: I wanna take you out to dinner, and then I wanna go back to my apartment and watch 'Kung Fu'. Do you ever watch 'Kung Fu'?
Joanna: I love 'Kung Fu'.
Peter Gibbons: Channel 39.
Joanna: Totally.
Peter Gibbons: You should come over and watch 'Kung Fu' tonight.
Joanna: Ok.
[Peter nods]
Joanna: Ok. Can we order lunch first?
[Peter nods again]
Joanna: Ok.

from Office Space

Okay, Google Ads is officially creepy...suicide this, suicide/depression that, before you even get the page opened...

RIP

re: #8 Salamantis

It sounds, with the remark that the cord was also wrapped "around other parts of his body" like David Karridine might have been an aficionado of the exceedingly dangerous sexu8al fetish known as erotic asphyxiation:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I think it may be a little early for that speculation. It did cross my mind, but I really think we need to wait for a bit more information.

Anyone who has ever seen "The Ruling Class" knows about auto-erotic asphyxiation. This does not sound like suicide but what used to be called "death by mis-adventure". Certainly makes for a funnier story at Carradine family reunions than suicide.

Still, it's a sad end.

May the man be remembered more for the body of cinematic art he performed than the manner of his death. We don't need more Bob Cranes.

re: #5 ointmentfly

Uh oh...Do we have another lead singer for INXS deal here?

Not unless he was taking Prozac and had a drink. I hope he wasn't suffering from depression.

Xie xie, Kwai Chang. R.I.P.

So sorry for anyone to go like this but when you're already in the public eye and then you die this way... There's just no dignity. Whatever the circumstances, I pray that he will RIP.

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Got to wonder about the cord wrapped around other parts of the body. Part of me is thinking this wasn't suicide so much as it was an accident.

Could be. He was also found nude.

RIP

R.I.P. Kwai Chang Caine - one of my favorite TV characters of all time. I have all the DVD's of that classic show,. many of those episodes were quite good particularly "An Eye for An Eye" (Han 1973). Many famous people appeared on that show - Don Johnson, Jodie Foster, Harrison Ford (before they became famous).

R.I.P. Koko Taylor.

Wild West Tech was kinda fun

Ack... wrong clip.

PIMF - Jan. 1973

re: #11 tradewind

Okay, Google Ads is officially creepy...suicide this, suicide/depression that, before you even get the page opened...

Can the keyword system driving this be that good that in seconds it can target the keyword = suicide?

He was murdered by Bush, Cheney and Karl Rove!

Thai police told the BBC the 72-year-old was found naked by a hotel maid in a wardrobe with a cord around his neck and other parts of his body.

other parts of his body?

re: #22 Creeping Eruption

R.I.P. Koko Taylor.

few seem to care the Queen is gone...I do, but I got plenty of kicks seeing her through the years...thanks Koko

Hanging is usually considered to be one of the most hostile ways to take one's own life... I have a hard time believing that with his notoriety, he would have done this stripped naked in a hotel room on purpose.

I remember when he and Barbara Hershey were together. Don't remember if they were married. That was during that hippie period when she changed her name to Barbara Seagull. I remember a nude pic of them in a magazine (tastefully done--no full frontal) and they had matching gold chains around their waists and flowers in their hair.

re: #29 albusteve

few seem to care the Queen is gone...I do, but I got plenty of kicks seeing her through the years...thanks Koko

Kind of like when Mother Theresa dies around the same time as Princess Di.

Search for the Shaolin priest, he cannot be seen.

re: #26 unrealizedviewpoint

Must be. It works every time I open a page...
I'd turn it off if I could. Way too overtly Orwellian.

all this sex shit is disgusting...why would anybody care?...people do all kinds of crazy stuff

re: #27 Mad Al-Jaffee

He was murdered by Bush, Cheney and Karl Rove!

yes. So say Kos kidz, Alex Jones, and huffposers.

re: #32 Creeping Eruption

Kind of like when Mother Theresa dies around the same time as Princess Di.

good comparison

I'm very sorry about this.

Was a great character of my childhood.

(though reading it, I'm not seeing where is says "by his own hand.")

re: #30 tradewind

Hanging is usually considered to be one of the most hostile ways to take one's own life... I have a hard time believing that with his notoriety, he would have done this stripped naked in a hotel room on purpose.

Vince Welnick, former keyboard player for The Tubes, and later played with the dead, slit his own throat. That takes dedication.

re: #30 tradewind

Hanging is usually considered to be one of the most hostile ways to take one's own life... I have a hard time believing that with his notoriety, he would have done this stripped naked in a hotel room on purpose.

Was he known to use drugs?

re: #18 redstateredneck

So sorry for anyone to go like this but when you're already in the public eye and then you die this way... There's just no dignity. Whatever the circumstances, I pray that he will RIP.

You don't have to be a celebrity. There was a case a few years ago where a pastor was found dead of autoerotic asphyxiation, bound, wearing TWO (yes, 2) wet suits, with a number of -- shall we say, foreign objects about his person. I can't imagine how one discovers a taste for this sort of thing.

re: #28 FrogMarch

other parts of his body?

Yeah... why wouldn't they say "hands" or "feet"? Has to be the junk...

re: #35 albusteve

all this sex shit is disgusting...why would anybody care?...people do all kinds of crazy stuff

The obsession some people show even here for such stuff is repulsive. No wonder such TV trash like Oprah and Tyra are so popular.

The memories of Kung Fu, (or Fung Yu as we called it). Reposted from the ODT:

My freshman year in college, half the dorm floor would be in our room watching Kung Fu.
(We had the only TV on that half of the floor; my roommate's. I had a picture tube brightener from a dead set and that fixed his enough that you could watch it with the lights on.)

re: #41 doppelganglander

You don't have to be a celebrity. There was a case a few years ago where a pastor was found dead of autoerotic asphyxiation, bound, wearing TWO (yes, 2) wet suits, with a number of -- shall we say, foreign objects about his person. I can't imagine how one discovers a taste for this sort of thing.

We had a doctor here who had a similar demise. Word always gets around.

re: #27 Mad Al-Jaffee

He was murdered by Bush, Cheney and Karl Rove!

Sheesh. Some people do not get our brand of humor.///

You're right of course. It's obvious. BTW, where was Uma Thurman last night?

Is it just me or do an awful lot of bad things happen in Bangkok? RIP Mr Carradine and thank you for all the great memories.

re: #46 calcajun

Sheesh. Some people do not get our brand of humor.///

You're right of course. It's obvious. BTW, where was Uma Thurman last night?

That was exactly my husband's first reaction.

re: #43 FurryOldGuyJeans

The obsession some people show even here for such stuff is repulsive. No wonder such TV trash like Oprah and Tyra are so popular.

I agree...it's a morbid distraction that becomes the story

The Praying Mantis Kills

one of my favorite episodes.

I just saw him two months ago at a banquet in Hollywood and he looked great. This is very sad. I always liked him.

re: #50 Joel

Lone Wolf McQuade...

re: #43 FurryOldGuyJeans

You have to admit, though, that dying in sex scene gone wrong as opposed to actually killing yourself is more appealing, for want of a better term. An embarrassing and slightly humorous ending is better than tragic one any day of the week.

Actually the fight scene is here

re: #45 redstateredneck

We had a doctor here who had a similar demise. Word always gets around.

Someone explain to me why anyone is talking about a sexually related death? Reading the article, I see NOTHING to indicate this. He was found in a wardrobe, not on his bed, or the floor. He was found naked, not wrapped in anything, nor does the article mention any other items.

It seems to me that he found the hanging bar in the wardrobe as the best thing in his room to hang from, and he did.

Why does it go to sex?

re: #23 albusteve

Wild West Tech was kinda fun

That's the only place I can place the actor from, but it sounds like the other lizards enjoyed his performances. R.I.P. indeed.

One of my childhood idols. He, along with Bruce Lee, sparked my interest in martial arts and Asian culture.

re: #42 ointmentfly

Yeah... why wouldn't they say "hands" or "feet"? Has to be the junk...

yep.

re: #42 ointmentfly

Yeah... why wouldn't they say "hands" or "feet"? Has to be the junk...

That's a stretch - You're thinking like a depraved American. This is Thailand. Who knows what the Police meant. He may have tied his hands behind his back. We just don't know.

re: #53 calcajun

You have to admit, though, that dying in sex scene gone wrong as opposed to actually killing yourself is more appealing, for want of a better term. An embarrassing and slightly humorous ending is better than tragic one any day of the week.

No, I don't find it appealing.

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

It could be the fact that he was found nude, and the cord was also wrapped around "other parts of his body."

re: #60 unrealizedviewpoint

That's a stretch - You're thinking like a depraved American. This is Thailand. Who knows what the Police meant. He may have tied his hands behind his back. We just don't know.

Now that might make sense - I can't imagine the bar of one's closet is that high. If you're determined to kill yourself, finding a way to bind your hands would be a good move.

It would at least hasten the process.

re: #60 unrealizedviewpoint

He may have tied his hands behind his back.

Huh?

re: #57 davinvalkri

That's the only place I can place the actor from, but it sounds like the other lizards enjoyed his performances. R.I.P. indeed.

He had a less than stellar career, and being typecast with his TV show didn't help.

Sleep well sweet prince.
He was a cool dude (yes, I choose those particular words because David Carradine was without a doubt one of the cool dudes)

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

Someone explain to me why anyone is talking about a sexually related death? Reading the article, I see NOTHING to indicate this. He was found in a wardrobe, not on his bed, or the floor. He was found naked, not wrapped in anything, nor does the article mention any other items.

It seems to me that he found the hanging bar in the wardrobe as the best thing in his room to hang from, and he did.

Why does it go to sex?

Just speculation.

found naked by a hotel maid in a wardrobe with a cord around his neck and other parts of his body

David Carradine Night of 100 Stars Gala

re: #42 ointmentfly

Come on, be nice...

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

Maybe because it is not at all uncommon for what appears to be a suicide by hanging to turn out to have been an autoerotic exercise that went too far. It happens to teenagers more often than you would believe.

re: #63 Dianna

Now that might make sense - I can't imagine the bar of one's closet is that high. If you're determined to kill yourself, finding a way to bind your hands would be a good move.

It would at least hasten the process.

You've got to be kidding... ' I'm not letting myself out of this one. just in case, I am going to tie my hands behind my own back' ... go ahead and give that a try...

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

Someone explain to me why anyone is talking about a sexually related death? Reading the article, I see NOTHING to indicate this. He was found in a wardrobe, not on his bed, or the floor. He was found naked, not wrapped in anything, nor does the article mention any other items.

It seems to me that he found the hanging bar in the wardrobe as the best thing in his room to hang from, and he did.

Why does it go to sex?

Because the rope was alledgedly also found tied round certain of his body parts.

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

Someone explain to me why anyone is talking about a sexually related death? Reading the article, I see NOTHING to indicate this. He was found in a wardrobe, not on his bed, or the floor. He was found naked, not wrapped in anything, nor does the article mention any other items.

It seems to me that he found the hanging bar in the wardrobe as the best thing in his room to hang from, and he did.

Why does it go to sex?

Hi Walter! I'm with you on this. I read the Fox news article and the MSNBC article and even (blech) the MTV.com blurb. I can't find any mention of other bonds either. I wonder if anyone actually has a link, or if this is all rather unsettling conjecture?

re: #40 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't know. He was an actor, on location in Bangkok. What are the odds?

David Carradine Commercial For Hanzoswords

I wonder if our Karridine might have any local info on this?

I can't square AEA and his being 72. Do 72-year-old men do that stuff?

Very sad news. RIP David Carradine.

Kill Bill was the best movie ever.

Tying a rope around your neck and other body parts and attaching it to the closet pole is bad, mmkay?

David Carradine was great. I loved Kung-Fu and Death Race 2000. He'll be missed.

The story does seem odd, from the little bits reported. Of course, you can't trust the media to get the details right. Still, I expect we'll find out his death was from some form of misadventure and not just simple suicide. There are about a billion ways for a man to die in Bangkok.

Another Kung Fu fan here. RIP, David.

... and hope this wasn't even worse than current speculations, cuz all we're really sure of right now, is it wasn't pretty ...

re: #75 Racer X

Neat and I clicked on the Brandon Lee v. David Carradine video. Surreal.

re: #72 yma o hyd

Because the rope was alledgedly also found tied round certain of his body parts.

em>re: #62 doppelganglander

It could be the fact that he was found nude, and the cord was also wrapped around "other parts of his body."

Right, his hands, his feet, maybe he got tangled after he "let go." Why do you go into a wardrobe to do this, is that part of the routine? You use a chord, something large enough to strangle you? Hell, he may have been well endowed, but a few feet of string would still probably do it.

No, I'm sorry, there is not enough info in the article to suggest this. It may be so, but we don't know.

re: #71 ointmentfly

You've got to be kidding... ' I'm not letting myself out of this one. just in case, I am going to tie my hands behind my own back' ... go ahead and give that a try...

Your tying yourself up here quite well.

Anyone else sensing a disruption in the force?

re: #77 MandyManners

Yes, as a matter of fact. Watch "The Ruling Class"--a very dark British satire

David Carradine & The Cosmic Rescue Team

re: #70 tradewind

Maybe because it is not at all uncommon for what appears to be a suicide by hanging to turn out to have been an autoerotic exercise that went too far. It happens to teenagers more often than you would believe.

It happened to the young newlywed husband of a coworker of mine many years ago. Found him naked in the garage with all the increminating evidence. She broke down and confided in me one time, wtf could I say? This seems suspicious indeed. I think I would rather hear this than that he actually took his own life, either way RIP Grasshopper. dang

Jokes about someone dying are bad. M'kay?

re: #71 ointmentfly

You've got to be kidding... ' I'm not letting myself out of this one. just in case, I am going to tie my hands behind my own back' ... go ahead and give that a try...

Actually, were I going to try hanging myself, and wanted to be sure, I'd arrange the noose, find a way to restrain my hands and then do the deed.

Mostly because I couldn't be sure I'd arranged the noose to cut off blood flow fast enough to keep me from getting loose.

re: #86 Pvt Bin Jammin

Anyone else sensing a disruption in the force?

I'm sensing a disruption in critical thinking. He died, that's all we know right now. Leave the man alone. If we find out otherwise, we find out, ok, but if we don't, let it go.

Excuse me, I just find this kind of speculation odd.

re: #77 MandyManners

Go ask (Ci)Alice[sic]...

re: #89 turn

It happened to the young newlywed husband of a coworker of mine many years ago. Found him naked in the garage with all the increminating evidence. She broke down and confided in me one time, wtf could I say? This seems suspicious indeed. I think I would rather hear this than that he actually took his own life, either way RIP Grasshopper. dang

In a wardrobe. What chapter was that instruction in, I must have missed it.

re: #77 MandyManners

I can't square AEA and his being 72. Do 72-year-old men do that stuff?

Probably.

re: #1 Tarkus289

R.I.P. Grasshopper.

What I logged on to say. I hope the meaning makes it to the dictionary.

re: #90 Racer X

Jokes about someone dying are bad. M'kay?

Not until after a reasonable mourning period, and at the VERY least not until after all the facts are known!

Now , that stated it can be debated what a "reasonable mourning period" timeframe is

re: #77 MandyManners

I can't square AEA and his being 72. Do 72-year-old men do that stuff?

Film star Albert Dekker was 62 when he killed himself with AEA.

re: #91 Dianna

Actually, were I going to try hanging myself, and wanted to be sure, I'd arrange the noose, find a way to restrain my hands and then do the deed.

Mostly because I couldn't be sure I'd arranged the noose to cut off blood flow fast enough to keep me from getting loose.

I would consult my copy of Final Exit for a better method.

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe it's just me. In my family, I have had suicides and deaths caused by less than respectable means (great uncle breaking his neck from slipping off a bar where he had been dancing with a stripper). For some reason, my family had been more fond of telling stories about those characters.

I'm a prude.

re: #77 MandyManners

I can't square AEA and his being 72. Do 72-year-old men do that stuff?

I was wondering the same thing but I think it is still possible, at that age maybe you actually need some "edge" to get aroused. Again all conjecture but something seems a little fishy.

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

I'm sensing a disruption in critical thinking. He died, that's all we know right now. Leave the man alone. If we find out otherwise, we find out, ok, but if we don't, let it go.

Excuse me, I just find this kind of speculation odd.

48 hour rule, I say.

re: #90 Racer X

Jokes about someone dying are bad. M'kay?

Obviously, you've never been to an Irish wake, especially when someone's end is "colorful".

I'm seeing some reports out there that the original statements made by police indicated that the cord was wrapped around his genitals as well and that since then the reports have changed.

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

In a wardrobe. What chapter was that instruction in, I must have missed it.

Walter, I don't quite know what you are getting at. There is no "manual" for this type of deviate sexual behavior. My story is true that is all I can tell you.

re: #104 calcajun

Obviously, you've never been to an Irish wake, especially when someone's end is "colorful".

Been to many Irish Wakes, and the 'jokes' aren't often about the persons method of death, but rather anecdotes about some of the, shall we say more colorful events in his life

A fair speculation might be: maybe he was murdered, but the others...No.

re: #106 turn

Walter, I don't quite know what you are getting at. There is no "manual" for this type of deviate sexual behavior. My story is true that is all I can tell you.

I wasn't talking about your story, I'm talking about this story.

later, work

re: #108 unrealizedviewpoint

A fair speculation might be: maybe he was murdered, but the others...No.

Correct.

He was the asshole in the miniseries North & South, which featured some great cleavage courtesy of real corsets. :-> (Not the V.S. kind)

re: #105 Pianobuff

I'm seeing some reports out there that the original statements made by police indicated that the cord was wrapped around his genitals as well and that since then the reports have changed.

Link?

Did LGF go down for a bit? Couldn't get in for a bit.

re: #90 Racer X

And I am not joking about this death. We don't know the man's health or whether he was despondent, or if in fact something darker happened in that room. The info suggests one of three things right now (accident, suicide, murder) and we have to wait to see what the "official" report says--which will probably be deferential to the family if no criminal activity was involved.

As has been mentioned, this sounds like accidental death by auto-erotic asphyxiation.

In any case, I mourn his passing - sympathies to his family on their loss.

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did LGF go down for a bit? Couldn't get in for a bit.

It was sure running slow.
I bailed out and and came back in.

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did LGF go down for a bit? Couldn't get in for a bit.

I had trouble as well.

re: #99 unrealizedviewpoint

I would consult my copy of Final Exit for a better method.

Pretty much a given.

Hanging is ugly.

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did LGF go down for a bit? Couldn't get in for a bit.

It did for me. Caused palpitations.
/

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did LGF go down for a bit? Couldn't get in for a bit.

I'm getting the spinning wheel.

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #117 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #118 Pvt Bin Jammin

Triddo

(hey ,,, Bin Jammin already had DITTO)

re: #115 calcajun

And I am not joking about this death. We don't know the man's health or whether he was despondent, or if in fact something darker happened in that room. The info suggests one of three things right now (accident, suicide, murder) and we have to wait to see what the "official" report says--which will probably be deferential to the family if no criminal activity was involved.

And the most current info is, he was found hanging in a closet with a cord from the curtains. Doesn't sound like a planned evening of AEA to me.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #100 calcajun

Maybe it's just me. In my family, I have had suicides and deaths caused by less than respectable means (great uncle breaking his neck from slipping off a bar where he had been dancing with a stripper). For some reason, my family had been more fond of telling stories about those characters.

Pardon me but, I laughed out loud at that.

re: #113 Walter L. Newton

Link?

Here

obtained from this search

Probably too early to make a call based on the limited/dubious sources.

Hamstrung hamsters a few minutes ago?

re: #101 MandyManners

I'm a prude.

You?!

I wouldn't worry about it, Mandy. I've known men who lost their sex drive before they turned thirty, and men who were still chasing women using walkers.

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Excuse me, I just find this kind of speculation odd.

It's quite natural to speculate about the circumstances surrounding a surprise death. Just part of how the human mind works. We all have a desire to make sense out of the senseless. Unfortunately, sometimes people take it too far and fail to use critical thinking on these speculations. The Princess Diana and World Trade Center conspiracy theories were, no doubt, born this way.

re: #121 MandyManners

I'm getting the spinning wheel.

Thanks. Now Blood, Sweat and Tears is stuck in my head. :D

re: #26 unrealizedviewpoint

Can the keyword system driving this be that good that in seconds it can target the keyword = suicide?

Sure. It selects ads when your browser requests the page, and not only matches the page's current content, but also examines whatever Google happens to know about you - which can be quite a lot, since they record your IP address every time you load one of their ads, along with the page it was associated with. Over time, this builds up quite a profile on your browsing habits, and these get correlated along with page content to figure out which ads you're likely to respond to.

Obviously, the algorithm for matching all that information is immature, at best. But the amount of information Google plows through and accumulates on an hourly basis is staggering.

Google is also, in my opinion, evil. Firefox with AdBlock installed circumvents their ability to collect browsing information, and I always have it on.

re: #124 MandyManners

My father still does, but then it was my mother's uncle.

re: #119 Dianna

Pretty much a given.

Hanging is ugly.

I have a friend who's a HS teacher. One of his students hung herself in a place where she was guaranteed to be found by family members (her younger sister was the first on the scene). I can't think of a better way to say "F*** You!" to one's loved ones, and the world in general, than this form of suicide.

re: #119 Dianna

Pretty much a given.

Hanging is ugly.

I don't know of any type of death being pretty.

re: #127 Dianna

men who were still chasing women using walkers.

and how old were these men chasing the women using walkers? Sound like some boys had some mommy issues.

Something in that cat has always seemed very off, in a sad way... I liked Kill Bill, but I liked the end of KB2 solely due to the profound tiredness that seemed to come from his character. For an action bad guy, he came across as horribly sad, but in a very subtle way.

RIP, man...

I watched 'The Boy in the Striped Pajamas' last night.
Still dizzy. Talk about emotions. Wow!

re: #133 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't know of any type of death being pretty.

There are better and worse.

Frankly, I say (quoting Phyllis Gotleib) that it is always better to be alive today.

re: #134 calcajun

and how old were these men chasing the women using walkers? Sound like some boys had some mommy issues.

I'll stop chasing when I'm 3 days dead and buried.

And one doesn't have to be ancient to need a walker, just disabled like I am.

re: #134 calcajun

and how old were these men chasing the women using walkers? Sound like some boys had some mommy issues.

well,,, I'm 55 and my legs aren't what they used to be. I can envisoin in 15 years or so needing a little help!

Hung Fu.

re: #42 ointmentfly

Yeah... why wouldn't they say "hands" or "feet"? Has to be the junk...

Purely speculative, at best. It's much more believable that this is just another example of sloppy, incomplete reporting that has also been through the translation mill. Pending further information, all that's known at the moment is that he's dead.

re: #130 SixDegrees

Sure. It selects ads when your browser requests the page, and not only matches the page's current content, but also examines whatever Google happens to know about you - which can be quite a lot, since they record your IP address every time you load one of their ads, along with the page it was associated with. Over time, this builds up quite a profile on your browsing habits, and these get correlated along with page content to figure out which ads you're likely to respond to.

Obviously, the algorithm for matching all that information is immature, at best. But the amount of information Google plows through and accumulates on an hourly basis is staggering.

Google is also, in my opinion, evil. Firefox with AdBlock installed circumvents their ability to collect browsing information, and I always have it on.

I'm definitely going to go get that. thanx

re: #133 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't know of any type of death being pretty.

True, but some are less grisly than others. I've always thought dying of frostbite must be a fairly gentle way to go -- supposedly after the period of agonizing cold, a final wave of body heat lulls you into a final sleep, and you leave a nicely preserved corpse.

Talk about a crappy job - could you imagine being coroner or medical examiner in a place like Bangkok?

re: #137 Dianna

There are better and worse.

Frankly, I say (quoting Phyllis Gotleib) that it is always better to be alive today.

I know how I'd like to die, but I doubt my preferences will be taken into consideration when my warranty expires.

re: #143 mikalm

True, but some are less grisly than others. I've always thought dying of frostbite must be a fairly gentle way to go -- supposedly after the period of agonizing cold, a final wave of body heat lulls you into a final sleep, and you leave a nicely preserved corpse.

If I'm going out, I want it to be like the Italian lady in the Kohler ad.

"Damn!"

re: #144 Guanxi88

Talk about a crappy job - could you imagine being coroner or medical examiner in a place like Bangkok?

Yeah,, cause it's MUCH more fun being one in Detroit ,, or East St. Louise ,, or Washington DC !

re: #140 JammieWearingFool

?

re: #135 brent

Something in that cat has always seemed very off, in a sad way... I liked Kill Bill, but I liked the end of KB2 solely due to the profound tiredness that seemed to come from his character. For an action bad guy, he came across as horribly sad, but in a very subtle way.

RIP, man...

You realize your whole estimation of the man, which you just gave, was based on his acting career. He was a fucking actor. What the hell does the way he play out a character have to do if he was in actually a "horribly sad" person.

Shit man, get real.

re: #146 Dianna

If I'm going out, I want it to be like the Italian lady in the Kohler ad.

"Damn!"

Loved that commercial. A full life, adventurous, no regrets, the full limits of human experience, only to miss a Kohler tub.

RIP David. Sympathies and condolences to your family.

Well, I just won an office victory. Our local Ron Paul consipracy nut swung by looking smug and asked the question, "What do you know about Israelites?"

"Well, they've got half the calories of the regular Israels."

He walked away in baffled silence and my coworkers congratulated me on getting rid of him.

re: #136 unrealizedviewpoint

I watched 'The Boy in the Striped Pajamas' last night.
Still dizzy. Talk about emotions. Wow!

It was an excellent movie.

Anyone else sensing a disruption in the force?

A Jedi he was.
Yoda pleased is not.

re: #147 sattv4u2

Yeah,, cause it's MUCH more fun being one in Detroit ,, or East St. Louise ,, or Washington DC !

Not saying those would be any better, but you gotta concede, the deaths there are bound to be a lot messier and, in some cases, weirder, than those elsewhere. The heat, humidity, etc. Phnom Penh would probably be even worse.

re: #135 brent

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

What Walter said!

BTW, my prayers go out to both Mr. Carradine and Ms. Taylor, as well as their families and friends. The world will miss their talents.

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, I just won an office victory. Our local Ron Paul consipracy nut swung by looking smug and asked the question, "What do you know about Israelites?"

"Well, they've got half the calories of the regular Israels."

He walked away in baffled silence and my coworkers congratulated me on getting rid of him.

That's much nicer than telling him to fuck off and die which is what I might've said.

re: #140 JammieWearingFool What? Sorry my friend, but I didn't find that at all humorous or appropriate.

re: #145 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know how I'd like to die, but I doubt my preferences will be taken into consideration when my warranty expires.

You need an advance directive: Living Will, Power of Attorney for Medical Decisions and a copy of Final Exit.

re: #158 MandyManners

That's much nicer than telling him to fuck off and die which is what I might've said.

Might have? :)

re: #1 Tarkus289

R.I.P. Grasshopper.

Strongly agreed.

re: #158 MandyManners

That's much nicer than telling him to fuck off and die which is what I might've said.

Yeah, but I usually tell him to go play a game of Hide and Go Fuck Yourself, so it was good for a change of pace.

re: #158 MandyManners

That's much nicer than telling him to fuck off and die which is what I might've said.

Yup, you sure are a prude. ;)

The neighborhood hunk still giving you the vapors?

re: #155 Guanxi88

Not saying those would be any better, but you gotta concede, the deaths there are bound to be a lot messier and, in some cases, weirder, than those elsewhere. The heat, humidity, etc. Phnom Penh would probably be even worse.

Yeah, because the deaths in Detroit are very neat and clean!

I understand what you're point is, but I doubt per capita that the methods are any more or less gruesome in those places than say a Ted Bundy or any slew of serial killers or gand murders in the US

Did any of you KNOW David Carradine? except on screen/TV? NO, you did not!

Do lizard here KNOW each others' true story? NO, we do not!

Why do we come to LGF? Used to be we voiced political viewpoints. Discussed topics one way or the other, civilly. And sometimes, comforted the grief of one, and celebrated in the achievement of another.

re: #153 debutaunt

It was an excellent movie.

I experienced simultaneous hate & empathy. Still not settled in my mind.

re: #160 unrealizedviewpoint

You need an advance directive: Living Will, Power of Attorney for Medical Decisions and a copy of Final Exit.

Have the first two, have had them for a number of years due to my disability. The final "requirement" I will pass on.

Really, an actor? Unlike everyone else in movies and tv? Thanks.

I should have said I got the exact same feeling from him in Death Race, or my aunt before she parked in the garage for an hour with the car running or my friend that shot himself in the mouth on a particularly bad date. I know nothing about this shit, thanks.

Personal PS: One of the many reasons I didn't off myself during a bottoming-out period back in '92 was that I was going to do it with a 12-GA shotgun, and I didn't want to leave a horrible, bloody mess for the cops, morgue workers and landlord to deal with.

I will definitely pray for David's family and his surviving friends. I sure hope this wasn't a suicide.

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, I just won an office victory. Our local Ron Paul consipracy nut swung by looking smug and asked the question, "What do you know about Israelites?"

"Well, they've got half the calories of the regular Israels."

He walked away in baffled silence and my coworkers congratulated me on getting rid of him.

If I could give you 10,000 updings I would!

re: #143 mikalm

True, but some are less grisly than others. I've always thought dying of frostbite must be a fairly gentle way to go -- supposedly after the period of agonizing cold, a final wave of body heat lulls you into a final sleep, and you leave a nicely preserved corpse.

bad ways to be dispatched:

1. being eaten
2. burning
3. drowning
4. botched hanging
5. having a chat with the inquisitors at the auto d'fait.
6. starving because you won't get with the collective farmprogram

I could go on, but back to the salt mines.

re: #169 brent

Really, an actor? Unlike everyone else in movies and tv? Thanks.

I should have said I got the exact same feeling from him in Death Race, or my aunt before she parked in the garage for an hour with the car running or my friend that shot himself in the mouth on a particularly bad date. I know nothing about this shit, thanks.

You were as close to Carradine as you were to your aunt and freind? Saw his moods on a daily basis, did ya? Knew what his worries were after all those talks you had with him, just like you had those talks with your freind?

Sorry ,,, but thats REALLY a reach

Thanks for clearing that all up for me.

re: #169 brent

Really, an actor? Unlike everyone else in movies and tv? Thanks.

I should have said I got the exact same feeling from him in Death Race, or my aunt before she parked in the garage for an hour with the car running or my friend that shot himself in the mouth on a particularly bad date. I know nothing about this shit, thanks.

How the fuck can you get a true feeling about what is going on in a person life from a bunch of movies he has made?

Equating your personal experiences in regards to suicide to an ACTORS roles, is sick.

You're right, you know nothing about this shit.

re: #173 calcajun
I think being buried alive would be the absolute worst.

re: #173 calcajun

Drowning probably isn't so bad once you pass out from asphyxiation. It's what happens to your corpse after many hours or days in the water (especially when it's been nibbled on by aquatic creatures) that's the ugly part.

re: #177 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think being buried alive would be the absolute worst.

Lye pit. The worst.

"I'm just going to walk the earth, like Kane in Kung Fu."

-Jules Winfield, Pulp Fiction

re: #177 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think being buried alive would be the absolute worst.

One of the worst, definitely. I've heard that the absolute most agonizing death imaginable is by dehydration.

I just made a simple comment that he seemed sad, and you all made a lot bigger assumptions about me, and how deeply I believe I know him. I made the mistake of sharing a couple pretty personal things, and you still insist on judging me and much I deeply know an actor. You're right, I don't know him - do you feel better know? Thanks again, I'm going to leave for a long while.

re: #179 Guanxi88

Lye pit. The worst.

Candiru. Also bad.

re: #179 Guanxi88

Lye pit. The worst.

Been there, done that, not so bad. Well, I saw it in a movie, that's the same thing, right?
/// (for Brent)

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

How the fuck can you get a true feeling about what is going on in a person life from a bunch of movies he has made?

Equating your personal experiences in regards to suicide to an ACTORS roles, is sick.

You're right, you know nothing about this shit.

Hey Walter. We agree. See #166

re: #181 mikalm

One of the worst, definitely. I've heard that the absolute most agonizing death imaginable is by dehydration.

I had a doctor once tell me being burned alive would be in his opinion the worst possible death he could imagine pain wise.

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Been there, done that, not so bad. Well, I saw it in a movie, that's the same thing, right?
/// (for Brent)

I fought against The Empire all the while not knowing my own sister was a Princess!

re: #173 calcajun

I certainly do not know this first hand, and I can't say I believe it, but I have heard that drowning is somehow not that bad, maybe it has something to do with the womb. I will say that I have had dreams (while sleeping) of drowning, and after the initial gag factor, the water that filled my lungs sort of equalized and it was like I was floating in space, no pain. Like I said I have no idea if this is true.

re: #13 Dianna

I think it may be a little early for that speculation. It did cross my mind, but I really think we need to wait for a bit more information.

What "more information" do you think is likely to be coming?

Eyewitness accounts? Videotape footage?

Testimony from close friends and colleagues about Mr. Carridine's "personal" habits?

The guy was found dead with a cord around his neck and "little" Bill.

Suicides and murders don't involving binding the genitals.

That leaves only two plausible possibilities for this situation.

The most obvious is that he was a practitioner of auto-erotic asphyxiation and accidentally died while doing it. Apparently, this is not uncommon, as it takes some pretty serious strangulation to "get there", and its easy to be "distracted" while you are doing it, if you follow.

The other is that someone else was "playing" too, killed Carridine deliberately (or accidentally), then left the scene afterwards.

re: #183 Guanxi88

Candiru. Also bad.

Did you have to mention that horrible creature?

re: #188 Tarkus289

I certainly do not know this first hand, and I can't say I believe it, but I have heard that drowning is somehow not that bad, maybe it has something to do with the womb. I will say that I have had dreams (while sleeping) of drowning, and after the initial gag factor, the water that filled my lungs sort of equalized and it was like I was floating in space, no pain. Like I said I have no idea if this is true.

There is a section in the novel "The Perfect Storm" that aligns with your comment. Being a work of fiction, I have no idea if the author based this on research or not.

re: #185 midwestgak

Hey Walter. We agree. See #166

Thanks. As most know, I am an actor, and all around theatre person, do it for a living. I know actors who do the same sort of roles over and over, because their acting style and physical stature is suited for those roles, yet, ion real like, they are of course nothing like the characters they play.

For ANYONE to say that they felt Carridine was a sad person, from watching his roles, are in La la land.

Really, get a grip.

re: #189 looking closely

What "more information" do you think is likely to be coming?
That leaves only two plausible possibilities for this situation

well then ,, I guess we need MORE INFORMATION to find out which of the TWO it could be !

re: #183 Guanxi88

Candiru. Also bad.

re: #190 mikalm

Did you have to mention that horrible creature?

More proof that the Creator does not want people to swim in the Amazon.

For the record, I would assume anyone found dead and naked in a Bangkok hotel died of misadventure unless otherwise explicitly stated, but thats just me.

He was a good actor and a smart guy. I'll remember him for his life and the entertainment he provided, not for the way he died.

re: #194 Guanxi88

More proof that the Creator does not want people to swim in the Amazon.

I first heard about the "toothpick fish" in Naked Lunch, which must be one of the ten most overrated novels of the 20th Century.

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

Nice to have common ground with you. I read your posts when I come here.

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You made me laugh.

re: #181 mikalm

One of the worst, definitely. I've heard that the absolute most agonizing death imaginable is by dehydration.

I doubt it. People who are dehydrated usually become lethargic and it can be over in a matter of hours.

In my opinion, various cancers present the "worst" possible death, as they depending on where they have spread, can cause intense pain prolonged over months or longer, along with other disabilities.

Since we are on this morbid topic, a few months ago, I went with my sister to put her beloved dog to sleep, the Vet. injected her with the needle, and within
seven breaths, she was gone. I think that would be the most peaceful way to go.

re: #197 mikalm

I first heard about the "toothpick fish" in Naked Lunch, which must be one of the ten most overrated novels of the 20th Century.

It is overrated (Naked Lunch), but a lot of his other stuff is quite good, and well worth reading.

Hate that fish; absolutely hate it.

I hope to go like my Uncle, quietly in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

What a day...first site I check in the a.m. (instapundit) informs me of the death of one of my favorite blues personalities ever,Koko Taylor. So glad I got to see her a dozen times. Then this. Like some others here, the tv series "Kung Fu" and the movies of Bruce Lee that were around at the time spurred a great interest in Chinese ( pre-Communist ) history,culture,and philosophy. For me, I was inspired in all those areas and recall clearly ,after watching the pilot episode of the series with him, telling my father "I want to do that". I was 14...I found a Shifu in the area of New York I was in and began to walk the Path. Now, all these years later, I accomplished that which I set out on having been through a number of teachers. I live the life and have no clue as to what life would be like or who I would be as a person if I was not now a "ming jai " ( old master ). I am hopeful that this death of his was not what it appears to be on the surface, but death is death. Unlike many actors, Carradine at least began study under David Chang , the advisor on the series( and later,other Shifus) and became a legitimate Yellow Sash ( equal to a blackbelt) practitioner. He was effected by his own role as Kwai Chang and found a path to follow as result of the role. Quite a mindbender this one is. As others have said - RIP Grasshopper.

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hope to go like my Uncle, quietly in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

An oldie but a godie.

The other one I heard was, "in my 80's, in bed, shot by a jealous husband"

re: #202 Tarkus289

Since we are on this morbid topic, a few months ago, I went with my sister to put her beloved dog to sleep, the Vet. injected her with the needle, and within
seven breaths, she was gone. I think that would be the most peaceful way to go.

but lets rail against assisted suicide in this country for those in such physical pain it's unbearable because we're so compasionate!

ummm,, huh ~?~?~?~

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

GMTA

(posted that on the overnight when someone 1st linked to the Carradine story)

re: #199 midwestgak

Nice to have common ground with you. I read your posts when I come here.

Thanks. I know I offend sometimes, spicy language and all, and I overstep sometimes, and I do apologize when that happens, over all, at the end, I like and respect most commenters here, whether I agree with them or not.

By the way, having nothing to do with the actors death itself, but, I never liked Carridine in anything he ever acted in. Wasn't crazy about any of the actors in his family.

re: #203 Guanxi88

It is overrated (Naked Lunch), but a lot of his other stuff is quite good, and well worth reading.

Hate that fish; absolutely hate it.

Junkie is actually a pretty good book, since there Burroughs stuck to writing what he knew about: being a heroin addict.

bbl

re: #211 mikalm

Junkie is actually a pretty good book, since there Burroughs stuck to writing what he knew about: being a heroin addict.

Nova Express is quite good, too. In particular, once you get into the cut-up technique, it can be very powerful.

Essays, too. The Discipline of D.E. was brilliant, and useful, top boot.

re: #202 Tarkus289

Since we are on this morbid topic, a few months ago, I went with my sister to put her beloved dog to sleep, the Vet. injected her with the needle, and within
seven breaths, she was gone. I think that would be the most peaceful way to go.

You were kind to go with her. Giving away a pet, a beloved dog, hurts. You may not have felt the grief your sister did, but I know she was grateful you were there with her during it.

re: #202 Tarkus289

Since we are on this morbid topic, a few months ago, I went with my sister to put her beloved dog to sleep, the Vet. injected her with the needle, and within
seven breaths, she was gone. I think that would be the most peaceful way to go.

We have to do that next Friday for the Wife's dog. He is an Akita and over 14. really bad hips, doggy Alzheimer's and incontinence. She finally said it is time.

re: #193 sattv4u2

What "more information" do you think is likely to be coming?
That leaves only two plausible possibilities for this situation

well then ,, I guess we need MORE INFORMATION to find out which of the TWO it could be !

I just tossed it out there since its theoretically possible that someone else was participating, or killed Carridine setting up the scene to LOOK like auto-erotic asphyxiation.

Realistically, Occam's razor probably eliminates the likelihood that anyone else was involved. Killing someone by strangulation is not so easy, not necessarily quiet, and in the real world cases like that almost always involve a lovers quarrel.

A proper investigation should be able to tell if anyone else was seen hanging around, entering his room, if the room were disturbed indicated a struggle, or if there were any other sort of forensic evidence left at the scene. There probably should be an autopsy, and that could involve a toxicologic exam to look for drugs (as a possible contributing factor).

Barring evidence of any of those things, you have no choice but to conclude the obvious.

So while we don't have all the facts in this case, based on the ones already presented if I were the Medical examiner in this case, I'd have no problem with a medicolegal determination here.

re: #215 JohnnyReb

We have to do that next Friday for the Wife's dog. He is an Akita and over 14. really bad hips, doggy Alzheimer's and incontinence. She finally said it is time.

I'm so sorry to hear about the pooch, but your wife is a good woman. It's really hard to make that decision, even when your brain tells you it's the right thing to do.

We put our dog Falstaff down not long ago - for very similar reasons. The only good thing was that our vet is such a terrific guy that he came to the house, so Falstaff could be with his two pals (Henry and Cujo) all the way to the end. And, to avoid the stress of being taken someplace strange and frightening.

I really hope you have a vet that will do the same for you guys.

re: #148 unrealizedviewpoint

?

Yeah, bad taste, I guess. Someone in the office threw that one out there. I'll go tell him it's been dinged down.

re: #77 MandyManners

I can't square AEA and his being 72. Do 72-year-old men do that stuff?

Trust me, babe, 72-year-old men love the J/O just as much as 27-year-old men. However, at 72, the plumbing doesn't work as reliably as it once did, even with a fistful of V!agra. So I'm not totally surprised that a guy of Carridine's age might try something as stupid as AEA in hopes of "enhancing the sensation."

re: #93 tradewind

Go ask (Ci)Alice[sic]...

LOL!

re: #210 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on. "The Long Riders" was actually pretty good.

re: #219 Throbert McGee

Its possible Mr. Carridine was doing "it" for 50 years until it finally caught up with him.

I never could figure out why people with it all going for them just check out like this. I mean most us us here battle day to day to survive and never consider suicide and he had it all and bang hangs himself. Maybe if life is to easy as you grow up problems that we all just roll with are mountains to people of privilege. Either way very sad. I liked watching him on Wild West Tech on the History channel.

re: #223 oldschool

They don't know if it was accidental or deliberate. We in the public will probably never know--it's a private matter for the family.

re: #223 oldschool

You're post makes a couple of assumptions.

First of all, if this was a case of auto-erotic asphyxiation, his death was an accident, not deliberate. Again, for all we know, he might have been happy as a clam and getting away with this for 50 years.

Next, how do you know this guy "had it all"? He may have been a famous actor, but as you well know, that's certainly no guarantee of happiness. Plenty of actors are depressed, lonely, angry, abuse substances, etc. He may have made plenty of money too, but again lots of people make lots of money, then spend/waste all of it, ending up with nothing.

re: #222 looking closely

Its possible Mr. Carridine was doing "it" for 50 years until it finally caught up with him.

That's a possibility, too.

As many Vietnam vets who spent time on R&R in Bangkok have confirmed over the years, Bangkok is well-named. It's the erotic center of the entire region. "One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble."

I don't know the circumstances of his death except for what is reported, but Bangkok would be a place where erotic adventures must be ruled out.

This says it was an accident.

I loved Kung-Fu
You had a show about a Chinaman doing Kung-Fu which was played by a White guy who mostly did Tai Chi.

Every episode was Chang walks into town. Gets beaten up by the bad guys. Gets nursed back to help by the good oppressed guys. Bad guys come back to beat up good guys. Chang kicks bad guys ass.

I think I saw every episode.
Would have loved to have seen the show with Bruce Lee.

re: #215 JohnnyReb

Watched my beloved sixteen year old golden retriever die in my arms from injection... it was so easy for her that I did not believe the vet (who had also come to my home) when he said she was gone. Not even a twitch.
Totally blows away the argument that lethal injection is ' cruel and unusual' punishment... in fact, it seemed way too peaceful for punishment to me.

I think one of the saddest things to happen is to hang yourself and for no one to miss you. That happened down the road from me. One of the neighbor's dogs brought home a leg bone, the guy called police, they searched nearby and found the rest of the skeletal remains. Police identified him through dental records. They could tell from investigating the site, and finding a note in the guys clothes that he killed himself but the police said nobody ever filed a missing persons report. Now that's sad. That being said RIP Grasshopper.

re: #224 calcajun

They don't know if it was accidental or deliberate. We in the public will probably never know--it's a private matter for the family.

Carradine's spokesperson is quoted in the Daily Mail as saying the hanging was "accidental."

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

Who was that old blind dude on Kung Fu. Is he still alive?

Have just caught up with the news...

...ahhh, gwasshopper, why did you do this? vewy sad, right now...

A beautiful film, shot in Israel, with some cool philosophy, mystical scenes (Sufi in origin, I think), and funny banter between the seeker and the master (Carradine as flute-wielding blind man), is Circle of Iron, or you might find it under the original, meaningful title, The Silent Flute.

(As they escape on foot from miscreants on horseback)
Cord: I never thought you'd run from a fight!
Blind man: It's hard to kill a horse with a flute.

nooo

Sad news, time to hold the Hanzo blade in the wind and mourn his passing

re: #232 FlakMusic

Carradine's spokesperson is quoted in the Daily Mail as saying the hanging was "accidental."

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

Well, from a publicists' standpoint, there aren't a lot of good ways to "spin" this, are there? Given the alternatives, that's probably the best option.

Its kind of sad that this is likely to become part of Carradine's legacy now. In 20 years, he may be as remembered for this accident as much as for "Kung Fu".

I should also point out there is a realistic chance that there was some other medical contributing factor here, other than simple strangulation.

Perhaps Mr. Carradine's "excitement" caused a heart attack, or arrythmia, for example. The latter would be extremely difficult to prove in autopsy, though the former might be proved. If so, his actual manner of death might better be classified as "natural" rather that "accidental".

Two words...

Micheal Hutchense.

105 Pianobuff :

Yes, the original reports from the BBC stated specifically the cord was wrapped around the neck and genitals.

Sorry, fans, but the reporters and editors changed the story to cover up the truth.

It would have better for Mr. Carradine to perform this act in a country where the police don't reveal sensitive details like this to reporters (though it's possible they did not know he was a celebrity).

No one caught on to his sense of humor and love of irony:
"Bound" for Glory" - get it ?
But seriously... I never got into the whole
'Grasshopper' thing although all of my friends signed up for karate classes at the time. Getting together and watching the show was a weekly ritual for them - I stayed home and played solitaire.
I really enjoyed "Bound for Glory" and thought he did an excellent job. Funny though, I always felt a 'kinship' to him - since the 70's I've been told countless times I could be his twin. Although not a handsome man in the 'classic' sense of the word, fame, fortune and charisma got him plenty of willing females. If this was a sexual mis adventure all I can say is I pray I'm not still pursuing such when I'm 72 ! Enough already ! BTW, no one had speculated on the possibility that he was 'not alone' when he passed on. After all, this did happen in Bangkok. It could have been an "Uh, oh...so sorry dude, I'm outta here, I'm still on parole !" ya know ? And maybe not. He may have got a recent Dx of cancer - he was a lifetime cigarette smoker - 72 is a pretty good run ! From the little I know of him he seemed to be a 'spiritual' kinda guy - one would think if he was going to 'do it' it would be with booze & pills. Hanging oneself is pretty vicious. Maybe he was expecting another 'come back' with this movie and, after viewing the daily rushes, sensed it was 'all over' for him. All speculation and I mean no harm to his memory. The truth will be known soon and all this speculation will be forgotten.
Rest in peace, it seems your work brought joy to a lot of folks.

The butler in the pantry with a candlestick... what ? NO ? Damn...

re: #219 Throbert McGee

more...info...then...I...needed...

And if this is true, someone will find me at room temp. long before.
Its bad enough that pop culture, TV commercials , the internet- hell, just about anything you can see or listen to seems to be obsessed with sex...
It gets on my nerves sooo bad that I'm now 'anti sex' for the 1st time in my life. Embarrassing and to me no longer cool. When I was a young man out on the town with the ladies invariably some geezer with a bad comb over, shirt un-buttoned down to the navel and a gold chain with astrological sign pendant dangling, just had to stop by my table and make a fool of himself:
'Hello, can I buy you lovely ladies a drink ?'
"Hey grandpa take a freakin' hike before I put you in your wheel chair" ... "But I don't have a wheelchair"...'Come back over here one more time and you will need one"' and then make a friend promise that if I ever wind up that age acting like this, "promise me you will put 2 in my skull". I'm only in my 50's but wise enough to know if a sweet young thang comes a callin', stop, take a deep breath, look in the mirror and then ask yourself "what does she really want from me ?"
Horny and old is just sooo un cool. Actually, creepy. Just ask any young person ! Ya gotta know when its over Charlie and go out gracefully - not like an old boxer that insists on climbing back into the ring and ruining all the great memories of when he was on top.

*BTW, this is directed at you Mr. McGee - only the 1st line.

I'm reading stories that say

appeared to be suicide, but now looks like natural causes,

and others that say

found hanging from a nylon rope in a closet

Maybe they just need to run more...tests?

re: #14 calcajun

Anyone who has ever seen "The Ruling Class" knows about auto-erotic asphyxiation.

We used to call it "come and go"...

re: #240 BenJeremy

105 Pianobuff :

Yes, the original reports from the BBC stated specifically the cord was wrapped around the neck and genitals.

Sorry, fans, but the reporters and editors changed the story to cover up the truth..

I know, and if anything their bowdlerisation makes it sound even worse. "Other parts" could be (has been, here) construed as a heroin problem.

"though it's possible they did not know he was a celebrity

Ya mean they wouldn't all crowd around the TV to watch re runs of "Kung Fu" to watch the caucasion man posing as an Asian man, posing as a 'master' ? You'd think they would have all idolized the guy...

Then again maybe this is why they released the embarrassing
details !

/sarc

The hotel would probably rather this story get out then to cause alarm' or speculation as to how he died while residing at their establishment. Might not be good for the tourist trade otherwise.
Not saying this is right or smart. There's a time factor involved and something had to be explained quickly . I know if I was staying there with family I'd be checking out quick like if I thought someone was murdered there. I wonder if his room will be converted into a broom closet or banquet room ? I'd find it a tad erie to unpack my bags and start hanging my clothes up in the exact same closet ! Long ago memories of the old Abbott & Costello (or Bowery Boys) 'haunted' movies come to mind !
The candle stick moving across the table by itself and the eyes
in the spooky picture hangin' on the wall following your every move...
'Hey Chi...Chi...Chiii...Chiiick..."

For better or for verse,
my statement here is terse
He's Carradine
I'm Karridine
It really could be worse...

But I woke up this morning (just now, 0630 BKK) to the TV talking heads telling us the sanitized version of the circumstances of his passing...

...reminded me that back in 1973, when the FIRST 'Kung Fu' was aired (72?) I was studying for my doctorate and my housemate's younger brother SHAVED HIS HEAD to emulate David Carradine... bizarre times, good times...

Thank you, David... Rest in Peace!

I was trying to remember what other famous older gentleman 'checked out' not long ago at a hotel while on location in a not too glamorous fashion ...

John Entwistle - bass player for "The Who". Another reserved, uber hip kinda guy. You don't want to do this to your families guys - give it up and go out with some class at least...or, if you have the $$, make sure you have someone on your personal staff to 'clean things up' before the authorities get there ! Nice. Grandpa was found ...blah, blah, blah...do it 'for the kids' for the love of Pete...

re: #246 leftover54

Actually, Leftover, with the Thai tourist trade in the TANK and down the tubes because of the December Debacle (Yellow-Shirt thugs take-over of Thailand's airports, stranding 163,000 angry travellers) this room could well become an overnight phenomenon, bringing people on pilgrimage to 'the place where HE spent his last night in contemplation... wrapped in thought...'

I would be very interested on your take of Descartes, grasshoppers. Or "Cogito Ergo Sum", Stinky.

Regards,
enormodome

"as a result of the principles already established in his method, had first of all to seek out a solid starting point (a clear and distinct concrete idea), and from this opens his deductive process. To arrive at this solid starting point, he begins with methodical doubt, that is, a doubt which will be the means of arriving at certitude. This differs from the systematic doubt of the Skeptics, who doubt in order to remain in doubt.

I can doubt all the impressions that exist within my knowing faculties, whether they be those impressions which come to me through the senses or through the intellect. Indeed, I may doubt even mathematical truths, in so far as it could be that the human intelligence is under the influence of a malignant genius which takes sport in making what is objectively irrational appear to me as rational.

Doubt is thus carried to its extreme form. But notwithstanding this fact, doubt causes to rise in me the most luminous and indisputable certainty. Even presupposing that the entire content of my thought is false, the incontestable truth is that I think: one cannot doubt without thinking; and if I think, I exist: "Cogito ergo sum."

It is to be observed that for Descartes the validity of "Cogito ergo sum" rests in this, that the doubt presents intuitively to the mind the subject who doubts, that is, the thinking substance. In this, Cartesian doubt differs from that of St. Augustine ("Si fallor, sum"), which embodies a truth sufficiently strong to overcome the position of Skepticism. In Descartes, "Cogito ergo sum" is assumed, not only in order to overcome the Skeptic position but as a foundation for the primary reality (the existence of the "res cogitans"), from which the way to further research is to be taken.

This is the point which distinguishes the classic realistic philosophy from Cartesian and modern philosophy. With Descartes, philosophy ceases to be the science of being, and becomes the science of thought (epistemology). Whereas, at first, being conditioned thought, now it is thought that conditions being. This principle, more or less realized by the philosophers immediately following Descartes, was to reach its full consciousness in Kant and modern Idealism. (See: Meditations on First Philosophy, I and II; Discourse on Method, IV.)"

Godspeed Grasshopper!

I read they found a couple "stones" in Grasshoppers hands...his own!

I'm so old, I remember when this was originally on:

The more recent version of the story is pretty explicit:

Thai police: Carradine death may be accidental

By MICHAEL CASEY –

BANGKOK (AP) — The body of American actor David Carradine, best known for the 1970s TV series "Kung Fu," was found in a hotel room closet with a rope tied to his neck and genitals, and his death may have been accidental suffocation, Thai police said Friday.

The 72-year-old actor's body was discovered Thursday in his luxury suite at Bangkok's Swissotel Nai Lert Park Hotel. Police initially said they suspected suicide, though Carradine's associates had questioned that theory.

Police Lt. Gen. Worapong Chewprecha told reporters that Carradine was found with a rope "tied around his penis and another rope around his neck."

"The two ropes were tied together," he said. "It is unclear whether he committed suicide or not or he died of suffocation or heart failure due to an orgasm."