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You know this city’s full of hawks? That’s a fact. They hang around on the top of the big hotels. And they spot a pigeon in the park. Right down on him.

Terry Malloy, On the Waterfront

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1 jdog29  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:20:02pm

just juggling the chaos, trying to make sense of the madness

2 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:20:07pm

"On The Waterfront" – I think I've heard of that.

3 steve  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:20:32pm

Some of the maintenance guys at my plant worked on this car.

Ron Heagy Driving

4 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:20:36pm

That is so true. Rescued a baby kestrel once at my old job. The person that picked it up told me that they are kicked out of the nest by the parents and then fed on the ground until they can fly. Asked me if I could take it outside and leave it. I pointed out to the person the crowds of people, dog walkers...

5 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:20:41pm

Am I a hawk, or am I a pigeon?

6 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:22:12pm

And HERE'S the late night thread. Home of the Raptors!
Hello, lizards!

7 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:22:21pm

re: #5 FurryOldGuyJeans

Am I a hawk, or am I a pigeon?

I thought you used to be an orangutang?

8 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:22:40pm

re: #5 FurryOldGuyJeans

Am I a hawk, or am I a pigeon?

You wanna eat lunch, or be lunch?

9 Macker  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:22:47pm

I had fun today, away from the roommate...

Return to Roosevelt Dam

10 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:23:25pm

re: #2 gmsc

How are you GMSC? Doing OK?

11 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:23:27pm

Fenway Park had an infestation of falcons last year. In the middle of the ballgame, there was one struggling with one of Boston's notoriously big vermin (a wharf rat, not Whitey Bulger) in it's talons. Almost dropped it onto the field right along Pesky's pole...came all the way out of it's talons, but it somehow managed to snatch it out of mid-air and keep flying.

Not sure if it's the same falcon that attacked A-Rod.

12 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:24:35pm

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Wasn't that Madonna?
;)

13 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:24:58pm

re: #6 Floral Giraffe

And HERE'S the late night thread. Home of the Raptors!
Hello, lizards!

Raptor! That's my favorite Blondie song!
;)

14 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:25:17pm

re: #10 Floral Giraffe

How are you GMSC? Doing OK?

Have I ever been OK?
;)

Doing fine now. Thanks for asking.

15 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:27:38pm

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Fenway Nation department of corrections:

In post #11, it was mentioned that it was a falcon that attacked A-Rod in Fenway park. According to the article linked, it was a hawk.

Also in post #11, the link provided made no mention that the victim of the hawk attack was actually 13 year old Alexa Rodriguez of Connecticut.

/looks like I picked the wrong week to give up falconry.

16 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:28:27pm

re: #8 Floral Giraffe

You wanna eat lunch, or be lunch?

Oh dang! You mean I have to make a decision?!?

Choices, choices, choices.

17 eddiespaghetti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:29:35pm

No done deal on the non-release of more Abu Ghraib photos...

Says Barney Frank.

18 OtisMyMan  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:30:57pm

You wuz my brother Chawlie, you shoulda looked owt fowah me.

19 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:31:15pm

re: #12 Floral Giraffe

Did the falcon have a phony British accent?

20 pink freud  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:31:52pm

Obama to Appoint Pay Czar

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration plans to appoint a "Special Master for Compensation" to ensure that companies receiving federal bailout funds are abiding by executive-pay guidelines, according to people familiar with the matter.

The administration is expected to name Kenneth Feinberg, who oversaw the federal government's compensation fund for victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, to act as a pay czar for the Treasury Department, these people said.

21 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:32:26pm

And now, it's time for geek poetry corner . . .

22 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:33:06pm

Oh my...another opening for a bridge-tender. The first one was in Nova Scotia, the second one in northern California. This one is in the Midwest- on trackage now owned by a Canadian railroad.

So if I get the job, should I say 'I for one welcome our Canadian overlords'?

23 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:33:51pm

re: #19 Fenway_Nation

Did the falcon have a phony British accent?

Shhh, I think that was the snowman...

24 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:34:05pm

There is the cutest book about a couple of Red-tailed Hawks in love, right in Manhattan.
[Link: search.barnesandnoble.com...]

25 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:34:18pm

re: #20 pink freud

Obama to Appoint Pay Czar

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration plans to appoint a "Special Master for Compensation" to ensure that companies receiving federal bailout funds are abiding by executive-pay guidelines, according to people familiar with the matter.

The administration is expected to name Kenneth Feinberg, who oversaw the federal government's compensation fund for victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, to act as a pay czar for the Treasury Department, these people said.

Perhaps if being President of the United States wasn't 0bama's first job running an organization of any kind, he wouldn't need a new "czar" every week.

On a semi-related note, I do think the constant use of the word "czar" by the 0bama administration is stating more than they really want it to.

26 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:35:09pm

re: #24 Pvt Bin Jammin

Are those the ones on 5th Ave, or was it Park? That the HOA wanted removed.

27 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:35:20pm

re: #20 pink freud

What's up with all these Czars? I feel like I'm in a time warp, back in Russia circa 1917.

28 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:35:30pm

re: #21 gmsc

"Sadly, there are no integers on this scale, so your gangly adolescent attempt to be clever has proved futile."

29 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:36:11pm

re: #21 gmsc

And Kumar became an Obama adviser. Maybe he can teach him math.

30 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:36:14pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

Oh my...another opening for a bridge-tender. The first one was in Nova Scotia, the second one in northern California. This one is in the Midwest- on trackage now owned by a Canadian railroad.

So if I get the job, should I say 'I for one welcome our Canadian overlords'?

Shhh you are going to give the plan away don't want to get shot now do you?

31 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:36:51pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

Oh my...another opening for a bridge-tender. The first one was in Nova Scotia, the second one in northern California. This one is in the Midwest- on trackage now owned by a Canadian railroad.

So if I get the job, should I say 'I for one welcome our Canadian overlords'?

LOL, don't say that. Did you try for the No Cal job too? Where are those two jobs?

32 Van Helsing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:37:09pm

re: #17 eddiespaghetti

No done deal on the non-release of more Abu Ghraib photos...

Says Barney Frank.

They're charging the execs at Countrywide for pimping their stock when they it had problems.

Why aren't Barney Franks and Chris Dodd being charged for doing the same damn thing with Freddie mac and Fannie Mae?

I'm waiting...

33 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:37:19pm

For the rain endowed Lizards...

34 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:37:58pm

re: #27 MrPaulRevere

What's up with all these Czars? I feel like I'm in a time warp, back in Russia circa 1917.

1917 was the end of the Czar's. We are at the beginning.

35 Van Helsing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:38:03pm

re: #27 MrPaulRevere

What's up with all these Czars? I feel like I'm in a time warp, back in Russia circa 1917.

First you have the czar, then the commissar.

36 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:38:06pm

re: #27 MrPaulRevere

What's up with all these Czars? I feel like I'm in a time warp, back in Russia circa 1917.

Exactly what I was thinking . . .

re: #25 gmsc

On a semi-related note, I do think the constant use of the word "czar" by the 0bama administration is stating more than they really want it to.

I feel like I'm in a 1917 time warp, too.

It's astounding. Time is fleeting . . .

37 pink freud  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:38:29pm

re: #25 gmsc

Perhaps if being President of the United States wasn't 0bama's first job running an organization of any kind, he wouldn't need a new "czar" every week.

On a semi-related note, I do think the constant use of the word "czar" by the 0bama administration is stating more than they really want it to.

“The greatest weakness of all is the great fear of appearing weak”

The dude's got it in spades. (to use a Vegas-ism)

Nice to see you back, gmsc. :-)

38 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:38:36pm

re: #35 Van Helsing

First you have the czar, then the commissar.

Don't turn around.

39 pink freud  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:39:13pm

re: #27 MrPaulRevere

What's up with all these Czars? I feel like I'm in a time warp, back in Russia circa 1917.

Weakness.

Good evening, MrPaulRevere!

40 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:39:48pm

re: #37 pink freud

“The greatest weakness of all is the great fear of appearing weak”

The dude's got it in spades. (to use a Vegas-ism)

Nice to see you back, gmsc. :-)

It's great to be back, pink freud!

(Are you familiar with the group that produced such albums as "The Wall" and "Dark Side of the Moon" yet? Last time we talked, you were having a little trouble with that one . . .)

41 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:40:03pm

re: #38 gmsc

Don't turn around.

42 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:40:21pm

re: #24 Pvt Bin Jammin

Heh...one of the schools near where I grew up in Western Mass had the politically incorrect name of the Redskins.

I wasn't surprised to see that they changed the name to Redhawks when I went by there a few years ago. What I was surprised to learn was that there was something like a 5-year span where they went without a name before adopting 'Redhawks'. I'm not sure if that was by design (a passive protest against the student-atheletes having no say in the name-change, perhaps) or some sort of deadlock...

The thing is, I think most of the surrounding schools still have their American-Indian mascots (i.e. Mohawks, Warriors, etc).

43 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:40:54pm

re: #41 ArchangelMichael

Itl's about time! Falco was the best.

44 pink freud  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:41:03pm

re: #40 gmsc

It's great to be back, pink freud!

(Are you familiar with the group that produced such albums as "The Wall" and "Dark Side of the Moon" yet? Last time we talked, you were having a little trouble with that one . . .)

Ah yes! I see you are back in fine form! :-)

45 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:42:19pm

re: #41 ArchangelMichael

Excellent avaiators!
LOL!

46 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:42:21pm

re: #43 BatGuano

I didn't even realize that was the O.G. German language version until I posted it... double score.

47 eddiespaghetti  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:42:53pm

re: #32 Van Helsing

I assume the Countrywide theme is a rhetorical question, one which you answered well yourself...

The decision to not release the photos was a sober one by the current administration, however, the Barney Frank's on the hill see the world through a different skewed prism.

48 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:43:47pm

re: #46 ArchangelMichael

Alles Klar, Herr Komissar?

49 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:45:11pm

re: #42 Fenway_Nation

Heh...one of the schools near where I grew up in Western Mass had the politically incorrect name of the Redskins.

I wasn't surprised to see that they changed the name to Redhawks when I went by there a few years ago. What I was surprised to learn was that there was something like a 5-year span where they went without a name before adopting 'Redhawks'. I'm not sure if that was by design (a passive protest against the student-atheletes having no say in the name-change, perhaps) or some sort of deadlock...

The thing is, I think most of the surrounding schools still have their American-Indian mascots (i.e. Mohawks, Warriors, etc).

Don't you get sick of that PC crap. I always think of a "redskin" as a "brave warrior" from an American Indian nation. I guess I am just too old to get it, or watched too many westerns back in the day.;-) Our Mexican friend gave us the "Speedy Gonzalez" series for Christmas last year. It's not PC in the US either. He and his family love it.

50 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:46:10pm

From what I have read, these so-called czars do not require congressional approval, thus increasing Presidential authority. I remember back in the day when the left was screaming to high heaven about the 'unitary executive' theory of Presidential power. The silence is now deafening.

51 Van Helsing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:46:25pm

re: #47 eddiespaghetti

Yeah, you caught me.
It's kind of like social security - if you're the government, it's a wonderful benefit to help us all. If you're not, it's a Ponzi scheme.

Oh what a world, what a world.

52 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:46:28pm

Just 15 minutes from now, the latest vomit-inducing global warming dreck will be released . . .

HOME

53 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:47:18pm

re: #48 BatGuano

Alles Klar, Herr Komissar?

Alles in Ordnung.

Too bad I haven't ever been able to find "Kinder, Kader, Kommandeure" other than the samples in industrial music.

54 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:47:38pm

re: #27 MrPaulRevere

What's up with all these Czars? I feel like I'm in a time warp, back in Russia circa 1917.

A weird throwback to WWII when American business was shifted over to war production. The idea at the time was for centralizing the command structure, and the admirers of Soviet Socialism in FDR's administration who proposed the entire setup chose the title.

55 Van Helsing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:47:55pm

re: #50 MrPaulRevere

From what I have read, these so-called czars do not require congressional approval, thus increasing Presidential authority. I remember back in the day when the left was screaming to high heaven about the 'unitary executive' theory of Presidential power. The silence is now deafening.

And generally someone is picked that does not know feces from shoe polish about what they are tsar-ing.

It's a great gig if you can get it.

56 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:48:41pm

re: #50 MrPaulRevere

From what I have read, these so-called czars do not require congressional approval, thus increasing Presidential authority. I remember back in the day when the left was screaming to high heaven about the 'unitary executive' theory of Presidential power. The silence is now deafening.

That is because now the authority is doing things the way the Left wants, on the whole.

57 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:49:20pm

re: #55 Van Helsing

And generally someone is picked that does not know feces from shoe polish about what they are tsar-ing.

It's a great gig if you can get it.

I'm working on a musical about all this.

It's called "0bama Christ Super Czar"

58 Van Helsing  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:50:13pm

re: #52 gmsc


Deary, deary me.
Doom, on so many levels.

None of which are will be addressed in that abomination.

59 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:52:47pm

re: #57 gmsc
What's the buzz, tell me what's a happening?LOL

I am so old I had that record. Yes, a record.

60 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:54:10pm

re: #59 Pvt Bin Jammin

What's the buzz, tell me what's a happening?LOL

I am so old I had that record. Yes, a record.

I have it on cuneiform.

61 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:54:28pm

re: #59 Pvt Bin Jammin

What's the buzz, tell me what's a happening?LOL

I am so old I had that record. Yes, a record.

I had the movie on Laser Disc, CAV, 3 discs. Woo.

62 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:54:49pm

re: #59 Pvt Bin Jammin

What's the buzz, tell me what's a happening?LOL

I am so old I had that record. Yes, a record.

I had it, too!

Now, it's actually not too hard to find the original movie on YouTube in its entirety!

63 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:55:47pm

re: #60 BatGuano

I have it on cuneiform.

Yeah, but is it signed by the original?

64 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:55:56pm

Best wishes all, have a great Friday!

65 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:57:03pm

Good night, lizards. I am sleeepy!
Stay scaly! & Whack a troll for me!

66 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:57:06pm

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #62 gmsc

I think we need to put our heads together. We could have a broadway hit.

Who gets to play Judas?

67 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:57:40pm

re: #65 Floral Giraffe

Good night, Floral.

68 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:57:41pm

re: #20 pink freud

Obama to Appoint Pay Czar

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration plans to appoint a "Special Master for Compensation" to ensure that companies receiving federal bailout funds are abiding by executive-pay guidelines, according to people familiar with the matter.

The administration is expected to name Kenneth Feinberg, who oversaw the federal government's compensation fund for victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, to act as a pay czar for the Treasury Department, these people said.

Yet another reason for companies not to take any Federal aid, even if it's desperately needed.

I don't necessarily disagree with this idea, but it has the effect of locking in failure.

69 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:58:11pm

re: #66 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #62 gmsc

I think we need to put our heads together. We could have a broadway hit.

Who gets to play Judas?

I could be Herod, but being that, um, gay, might be a stretch.

70 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:58:18pm

re: #65 Floral Giraffe

Good night, lizards. I am sleeepy!
Stay scaly! & Whack a troll for me!

G'Nite, FG!

71 gmsc  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:58:37pm

re: #66 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #62 gmsc

I think we need to put our heads together. We could have a broadway hit.

Who gets to play Judas?

I think we'll have to wait and find out.

72 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:59:02pm

re: #65 Floral Giraffe

Good night, lizards. I am sleeepy!
Stay scaly! & Whack a troll for me!

Night, sweet dreams.

I don't think I ever whacked one myself. I think my forceful thing was "go away". LOL...I am a little bit Irish, though, you never know.

73 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:59:41pm

re: #63 gmsc

Yeah, but is it signed by the original?

Jesus Christ Superstar: The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack Album by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice signed by all 12 apostles (Audio - Mar 21, 34) [IMPORT: ARAMAIC & HELLENISTIC GREEK LANGUAGE EDITION]

I cant find that on Amazon unfortunately.

74 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:59:57pm

re: #54 FurryOldGuyJeans

A weird throwback to WWII when American business was shifted over to war production. The idea at the time was for centralizing the command structure, and the admirers of Soviet Socialism in FDR's administration who proposed the entire setup chose the title.

Kind of a weird choice, given that the Czars were what the Russian Communists were intent on overthrowing. But since when have socialists of any stripe been particularly keen on accuracy?

75 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, June 5th:

Highlights of this day in history: Sen. Robert F. Kennedy assassinated in Los Angeles; The Six-Day War erupts in the Mideast; Birth of the Marshall Plan; First reported AIDS cases in the U.S.; Former President Ronald Reagan dies.

Other notable June 5th events include:

1837 – Houston, Texas is incorporated by the Republic of Texas.

1849 – Denmark becomes a constitutional monarchy by the signing of a new constitution.

1851 – Harriet Beecher Stowe's anti-slavery serial, Uncle Tom's Cabin or, Life Among the Lowly starts a ten-month run in the National Era abolitionist newspaper.

1915 – Denmark amends its constitution to allow women's suffrage.

1933 – The U.S. Congress abrogates the United States' use of the gold standard by enacting a joint resolution (48 Stat. 112) nullifying the right of creditors to demand payment in gold.

1946 – A fire in the LaSalle Hotel in Chicago, Illinois kills 61 people.

1956 – Elvis Presley introduces his new single, "Hound Dog", on The Milton Berle Show, scandalizing the audience with his suggestive hip movements.

1977 – The Apple II, the first practical personal computer, goes on sale.

1998 – A strike begins at the General Motors parts factory in Flint, Michigan, that quickly spreads to five other assembly plants (the strike lasted seven weeks).

2001 – U.S. Senator Jim Jeffords leaves the Republican Party, an act which shifts control of the United States Senate from the Republicans to the Democratic Party.

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:00:24am

re: #72 Pvt Bin Jammin

Night, sweet dreams.

I don't think I ever whacked one myself. I think my forceful thing was "go away". LOL...I am a little bit Irish, though, you never know.

Once you start, you won't be able to quit. No once can whack just one troll.

77 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:02:06am

re: #69 FurryOldGuyJeans

I could be Herod, but being that, um, gay, might be a stretch.

I've got Herod's song almost worked out . . .

"0bama, I am overjoyed to meet you face to face.
You've been getting quite a name, all around this place.

"Healing economies, voting by the dead,
and now I understand you're god . . . at least that's what you've said . . . "

78 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:02:49am

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

Once you start, you won't be able to quit. No once can whack just one troll.

I used to "whack the troll" frequently when I was teenager. Is that what you're talking about?

79 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:02:54am

re: #74 SixDegrees

Kind of a weird choice, given that the Czars were what the Russian Communists were intent on overthrowing. But since when have socialists of any stripe been particularly keen on accuracy?

Czar had been used before, but really gained prominence during the war. But as you say, consistency is not a common trait of socialist thinking.

80 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:03:32am

re: #30 BlueCanuck

Blue- it starts with the acquisition (through legit means) of the railway network. And it's been going on for the last 25 years.

Canadian Pacific's USA Holdings: Soo Line (1985); Delaware & Hudson (1991); Dakota, Minnesota & Eastern (2008)

Canadian National's USA Holdings: Illinois Central (1998); Wisconsin Central Bessemer & Lake Erie (2003), Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range (2003); Elgin Joliet & Eastern (2009)

Also worth mentioning that Canadian national had four US subsidiaries prior to their 1998 expansion; Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific; Grand Trunk Western; Central Vermont (sold off to RailTex [now Rail America] and became New England Central) and Detroit, Toledo & Ironton (also sold off to RailTex and became the Indiana & Ohio).

And to be fair, CN has also gobbled up their share of smaller Canadian railways (Savage Alberta, New Brunswick East Coast, Ottawa Central, British Columbia Rail) in the same timeframe.

81 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:03:47am

re: #77 gmsc

I've got Herod's song almost worked out . . .

"0bama, I am overjoyed to meet you face to face.
You've been getting quite a name, all around this place.

"Healing economies, voting by the dead,
and now I understand you're god . . . at least that's what you've said . . . "

Do I have to LISP all that? ;)

82 pink freud  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:05:46am

re: #77 gmsc

I've got Herod's song almost worked out . . .

"0bama, I am overjoyed to meet you face to face.
You've been getting quite a name, all around this place.

"Healing economies, voting by the dead,
and now I understand you're god . . . at least that's what you've said . . . "

Pulling up the lyrics, there seem to be so many that wouldn't need any work at all. :-)

83 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:05:53am

re: #80 Fenway_Nation

You ever play the computer game Railroad Tycoon or any of the sequels?

Just askin', you know. You seem to have a slight interest in trains and railroading.

84 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:06:19am

re: #63 gmsc

Yeah, but is it signed by the original?

Yes, but I suspect it's a forgery. It's in Latin.

85 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:06:58am

re: #82 pink freud

Pulling up the lyrics, there seem to be so many that wouldn't need any work at all. :-)

I'm all for "Could We Start Again Please?"

86 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:07:58am

re: #49 Pvt Bin Jammin

Don't you get sick of that PC crap. I always think of a "redskin" as a "brave warrior" from an American Indian nation. I guess I am just too old to get it, or watched too many westerns back in the day.;-) Our Mexican friend gave us the "Speedy Gonzalez" series for Christmas last year. It's not PC in the US either. He and his family love it.

Yep...altho' there are some tribes that don't go along with the PC crap. I remember hearing somewhere that getting Florida State to change their name and mascot from the Seminoles was a tough sell among not just the students and alumni, but also members of the Seminole tribe who wanted their name attached to a popular NCAA sports program.

87 Van Helsing  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:08:40am

re: #77 gmsc

I've got Herod's song almost worked out . . .

"0bama, I am overjoyed to meet you face to face.
You've been getting quite a name, all around this place.

"Healing economies, voting by the dead,
and now I understand you're god . . . at least that's what you've said . . . "

'It seems to me a strange thing, mystifying, that a commie like you could make a stand to save the people of this great land...'

We could do this.

I had the original on vinyl and I had no idea that there was a 2000 version of JC superstar.

I don't get out much. Rules are kinda tight at the home...

88 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:08:42am

re: #66 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #62 gmsc

I think we need to put our heads together. We could have a broadway hit.

Who gets to play Judas?

Crap. Now I've got that whole production rolling through my head.

Judas is definitely the juiciest role in the work. It's traditionally been filled by a black man. No one is leaping to mind at the moment from today's pantheon of actors.

89 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:09:19am

re: #85 gmsc

I'm all for "Could We Start Again Please?"

The problem with "casting" Judas is we need a disillusioned former Obama supporter/voter. I can't think of any here that fit that bill.

90 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:09:20am

re: #82 pink freud

Pulling up the lyrics, there seem to be so many that wouldn't need any work at all. :-)

We need to enlist buzzsawmonkey for the lyrics. He's the best.

91 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:09:30am

re: #83 FurryOldGuyJeans

I played RR Tycoon. Think I still have the disc for the 486 kicking around here somewhere. Tried it on a pentium and lost in 2 seconds. :p

92 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:09:50am

re: #75 gmsc

On this date in 1944, General Eisenhower was agonizing over when to launch the D-Day invasion of Normandy.

93 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:10:04am

re: #83 FurryOldGuyJeans

Actually, no. And it was only two years ago that one of my buddies (who day-trades) said what I did know about railways could translate to actionable investment information.

/I still maintain he's giving me too much credit.

94 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:10:26am

re: #87 Van Helsing

'It seems to me a strange thing, mystifying, that a commie like you could make a stand to save the people of this great land...'

We could do this.

I had the original on vinyl and I had no idea that there was a 2000 version of JC superstar.

I don't get out much. Rules are kinda tight at the home...

A couple of different versions have been recorded. In my opinion, none holds a candle to the original.

95 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:11:03am

re: #91 BlueCanuck

I played RR Tycoon. Think I still have the disc for the 486 kicking around here somewhere. Tried it on a pentium and lost in 2 seconds. :p

RRT2 is such a quantum leap over the original. The graphics, ooof.

96 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:12:06am

re: #88 SixDegrees

Crap. Now I've got that whole production rolling through my head.

Judas is definitely the juiciest role in the work. It's traditionally been filled by a black man. No one is leaping to mind at the moment from today's pantheon of actors.

I'm going to bed thinking of those songs too. LOL

97 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:12:16am

re: #94 SixDegrees

A couple of different versions have been recorded. In my opinion, none holds a candle to the original.

The "0bama Christ, Super Czar" musical opens with a crowd cheering 0bama's election, and one supporter who is already starting to see the mistake he's made.

He's off away from the crowd singing, "Too Much Heaven On Their Minds" . . .

98 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:12:25am

re: #95 FurryOldGuyJeans

Tried the demo, didn't like it to much. Too much emphasis on graphics IMHO. But then again, I was disgusted with most 3D games at that time. They've gotten better since then.

99 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:13:22am

re: #97 gmsc

The "0bama Christ, Super Czar" musical opens with a crowd cheering 0bama's election, and one supporter who is already starting to see the mistake he's made.

He's off away from the crowd singing, "Too Much Heaven On Their Minds" . . .

100 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:14:35am

Crap, time for bed. See you folks later on. Say high to littleoldlady for me.

101 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:15:08am

re: #100 BlueCanuck

Crap, time for bed. See you folks later on. Say high to littleoldlady for me.

G'Nite, Blue!

102 pink freud  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:15:20am

re: #90 Pvt Bin Jammin

We need to enlist buzzsawmonkey for the lyrics. He's the best.

I say we hold gmsc's feet to the fire, let him show off his creative genius.

:-)

103 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:15:26am

re: #75 gmsc

Fenway's This Day In History (Edited by Xinhua News agency)

1989- Chinese PLA troops and armor
move into Beijing's Tianamen Square to brutally crush a student uprising. To this day, the exact death toll remains unknown. Absolutely nothing happened.

104 Van Helsing  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:15:51am

re: #99 gmsc

My mind is clearer now.
At last, all too well, we got change but not what we were hoping for...

105 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:16:10am

re: #97 gmsc

The "0bama Christ, Super Czar" musical opens with a crowd cheering 0bama's election, and one supporter who is already starting to see the mistake he's made.

He's off away from the crowd singing, "Too Much Heaven On Their Minds" . . .

Barney Fwank has announced that he is not pleased with the decision not to release the latest Abu Grhaib photos. Opposing the One - might make an interesting Herod, if it weren't for that speech impediment.

I've getting visions of Fwank, onstage, in heavy drag. Must stop now.

106 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:16:18am

re: #98 BlueCanuck

'Nite, BLue!

107 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:16:26am

re: #99 gmsc
Dang, now that beat is in my head and I'm about to go to bed.

108 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:17:24am

re: #105 SixDegrees

Barney Fwank has announced that he is not pleased with the decision not to release the latest Abu Grhaib photos. Opposing the One - might make an interesting Herod, if it weren't for that speech impediment.

According to FOGJ, the speech impediment might be just the key to the part . . .

re: #81 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do I have to LISP all that? ;)

109 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:17:37am

re: #107 Pvt Bin Jammin

Dang, now that beat is in my head and I'm about to go to bed.

Sorry.

Good night, PBJ!

110 Van Helsing  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:17:45am

re: #107 Pvt Bin Jammin

Dang, now that beat is in my head and I'm about to go to bed.

It is compelling, is it not?

111 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:18:15am

re: #100 BlueCanuck

'Nite, Blue. Take care. I don't see the LOL too much either. I have to get up at regular times, mostly.

112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:19:09am

re: #108 gmsc

Dang! I cast myself out of yet another role.

113 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:22:07am

re: #99 gmsc

www.youtube.com...] target="_blank">

I didn't care as much for the film as the stage production, but one of the great things about the movie is the ability to have the performers sign and dance like crazy at the same time, something they just can't pull off live.

Gotta go dig out my old CD now.

114 Van Helsing  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:22:31am

re: #105 SixDegrees

Barney Fwank has announced that he is not pleased with the decision not to release the latest Abu Grhaib photos. Opposing the One - might make an interesting Herod, if it weren't for that speech impediment.

I've getting visions of Fwank, onstage, in heavy drag. Must stop now.

That would be the latest pictures from 5(?) years ago? That miserable pile of human waste doesn't understand that doing so WILL cause an increase in violence?

Is that piece of feces unaware of the effect that the f***ing Mo-Toons had? The roundabout dogs that used Mohammed as theme?

I truly despise that idiot barney franks.

The dog with the same name was smarter.

115 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:23:48am

re: #114 Van Helsing

That would be the latest pictures from 5(?) years ago? That miserable pile of human waste doesn't understand that doing so WILL cause an increase in violence?

Is that piece of feces unaware of the effect that the f***ing Mo-Toons had? The roundabout dogs that used Mohammed as theme?

I truly despise that idiot barney franks.

The dog with the same name was smarter.

He's obsessing over scoring political points, not the real world. He's an ass.

116 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:24:01am

re: #110 Van Helsing

It is. I actually enjoyed it back in the day. Still have a turntable somewhere, hooked to a CD player but I could switch the wires & play that old album...if I could find it and it's not warped.

Good night lizards. Love ya!

117 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:26:08am

re: #116 Pvt Bin Jammin

G'night Pvt.

118 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:26:21am

re: #114 Van Helsing

I'd like to think this could be a bluff and that pretty much the worst of it is already out there. Then, when the release is fought tooth and nail, it appears that those fighting it have that much more to hide.

Even if it isn't the case, I still think Barney Frank and Sy Hersch are excerable.

119 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:26:50am

re: #116 Pvt Bin Jammin

'Nite PB&J!

120 Van Helsing  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:26:51am

re: #115 SixDegrees

He's obsessing over scoring political points, not the real world. He's an ass.

He's f***ing political points WILL cause real, non-political, soldier type blood to get spilled.

Miserable puke.

121 pink freud  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:29:04am

The wonderful photos were posted on one of the threads yesterday and I cannot remember the name of the poster to attribute. They are worth re-posting.

The first set is North Korea; the second is of a beach in Morocco.

[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com...]

[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com...]

122 Van Helsing  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:31:45am

re: #118 Fenway_Nation

I'd like to think this could be a bluff and that pretty much the worst of it is already out there. Then, when the release is fought tooth and nail, it appears that those fighting it have that much more to hide.

Even if it isn't the case, I still think Barney Frank and Sy Hersch are excerable.

May be so. However, the Mohammedan fucks that need little excuse to riot (and shoot a nun, for instance) over a cartoon or a bogus Newsweek story about a flushed Q'uran will still increase the threat level not only to our troops but to the civilian populations in Iraq, A-stan, and P-stan.

Surely even Franks can see this.

123 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:31:48am

re: #121 pink freud

The wonderful photos were posted on one of the threads yesterday and I cannot remember the name of the poster to attribute. They are worth re-posting.

The first set is North Korea; the second is of a beach in Morocco.

[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com...]

[Link: drugoi.livejournal.com...]

The North Korean soldier sticking his thumb between his 1st 2 fingers seems to have an attitude that he's giving the photographer a really offensive gesture.

He probably has no idea that in the United States, all that gesture means is, "Got your nose!"

124 pink freud  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:32:56am

re: #123 gmsc

Haha! True. Aren't they wonderful?

125 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:33:03am

Oh...and I still think 0bama is a narccisitic, self-aggrandizing, vacuous suit who can hardly function without a teleprompter.

Having said that, I think it's 'Aren't-I-wonderful?' Middle East tour gives him some leverage over Frank. Which I don't mind, since this is one of the two or three decisions he's made since taking office that I can support.

Watch out for an 'unofficial' release of some of these photos, tho'. This isn't the Bush Admin., where classified military and counterintelligence documents wind up in the pages of the New York Times (may their stock forever be in the toiler)...but enough 0DS-suffering lefites could try and undercut his decision if they don't get their way.

126 BignJames  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:33:55am

re: #123 gmsc

Tell him to come over here and say that.

127 pat  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:34:57am

Hmmm. Last night it was Bats. Tonight Hawks. I doubt the twain will merge.

128 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:35:07am

re: #125 Fenway_Nation

toilet...

/Bacari's back in the house, so there may be more egregious errors to come.

129 BignJames  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:35:56am

re: #128 Fenway_Nation

toilet...

/Bacari's back in the house, so there may be more egregious errors to come.


yep

130 Van Helsing  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:36:29am

re: #125 Fenway_Nation

wasn't the last couple of days on the news obsessing about incitement wrt to
tiller's death?

131 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:37:25am
132 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:40:21am

re: #131 gmsc

Currently watching:

The Dick Van Dyke Show – Somebody Has to Play Cleopatra

Is this the one?

Millie: Mark Antony, pray tell. How are things in Rome?
bob Crane: Rotten!
something like that?

133 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:40:48am

re: #131 gmsc

Currently watching:

The Dick Van Dyke Show – Somebody Has to Play Cleopatra

Interesting to note: When Mary Tyler Moore is dancing her "Cleopatra" number in that episode, the bongo player is Bob Crane (Col. Hogan from Hogan's Heroes)!

134 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:41:54am

re: #132 BatGuano

Is this the one?

Millie: Mark Antony, pray tell. How are things in Rome?
bob Crane: Rotten!
something like that?

Yep!

135 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:42:51am

re: #134 gmsc

Yep!


I'm a winner, chicken dinner! :)

136 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:44:01am

re: #130 Van Helsing

Not that I saw, altho' I haven't watched the alphabet soup networks in over a week. It's been either online articules or the top-of-the-hour news updates on the radio.

I remember some of the MSM outlets treating Pvt. Long's murder as 'Breaking News' when it was breaking news, but it seemed as though they were glossing it over to cover 0bama's preperations for his trip to the middle east once developments out of Arkansas weren't to their liking.

Probably difficult to juxtapose 0bama's 'Repairing America's Image' with the same religion who's converts come here and kill Americans.

137 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:45:12am

Good night all. I'm being beckoned.

138 Van Helsing  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:45:44am

Far past my bedtime.
G'nite lizards.

139 BignJames  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:46:30am

re: #137 BatGuano

Good night all. I'm being beckoned.


Turn that thing off and come to bed...NOW!

140 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:46:44am

G'nite VanHelsing, Guano of the nocturnal flying mammalian persuasion!

141 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:47:02am

re: #138 Van Helsing

Far past my bedtime.
G'nite lizards.

Good night!

142 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:47:23am

OMG I can't believe I came all the way downstairs again to post this but I've got a little bit of the lyrics for the production. LOL

"What's the Hill Buzz, tell me what's a happening?"
"What's the Hill Buzz, tell me what's a happening?"

There really is a HillBuzz blog.

Nite. I am going upstairs.

143 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:56:31am

re: #142 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG I can't believe I came all the way downstairs again to post this but I've got a little bit of the lyrics for the production. LOL

"What's the Hill Buzz, tell me what's a happening?"
"What's the Hill Buzz, tell me what's a happening?"

There really is a HillBuzz blog.

Nite. I am going upstairs.

That works! It's great!

144 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:02:21am

stupid Globe sentence of the day

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/poli…

Red carpet greetings, designer clothes, Broadway shows, and an upcoming trip to Paris. Are the Obamas, who wooed voters with their down-to-earth charm on the campaign trail, losing the common touch?

Oh, yes, a millionaire politically-connected Harvard lawyer used to have the common touch.

145 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:02:49am
Beekeeper 1: Hmmm. Awfully quiet around here.
Beekeeper 2: Yes... a little TOO quiet, if you know what I mean.
Beekeeper 1: Hmmm. Afraid I don't.
Beekeeper 2: You see, bees usually make a lot of noise. No noise suggests no bees.
Beekeeper 1: Hmm... oh look, there goes one.
Beekeeper 2: To the bee mobile.
Beekeeper 1: You mean your Chevy?
Beekeeper 2: ...Yes.
146 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:04:33am

I just finished reading "I'Jaam - An Iraqi Rhapsody" as one of two books I need to read for a paper due at 11am Pacific...and it was one of the most ridiculous books I've ever read.

Guy gets imprisoned for speaking out against Saddam's government or something, keeps having flashbacks to his grandma, normal life, his GF, soccer matches, weird conversations, etc. Then it'll come back to a prison abuse scene, then it'll go to another flashback, then it'll cut back to a gay prison rape scene, then it'll go to him with his GF in a graphic erotica scene, and then it'll go to something else.

So worthless, and the one I'm reading now, entitled "The Earthquake" be Tahir Wattar, looks to be even more worthless.

147 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:07:22am

re: #145 Fenway_Nation

Homer: Got any of that beer that has candy floating in it? You know, Skittlebrau?
Apu: Such a beer does not exist, sir. I think you must have dreamed it.
Homer: Oh. Well, then just give me a six-pack and a couple of bags of Skittles.

148 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:10:55am

re: #146 TheMatrix31

As much as I enjoyed it, I think I need something besides Bowden's Killing Pablo to hang my hat on.

/Thanks for reccomending two books to NOT read.

149 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:13:43am
Lisa: Thank you, Mr. President.
Bill Clinton: No, thank you, Lisa. For teaching kids everywhere a valuable lesson: If things don't go your way, just keep complaining until your dreams come true.
Marge: That's a pretty lousy lesson.
Bill Clinton: Hey, I'm a pretty lousy president.
150 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:14:21am

re: #148 Fenway_Nation

As much as I enjoyed it, I think I need something besides Bowden's Killing Pablo to hang my hat on.

/Thanks for reccomending two books to NOT read.

It's been ridiculous, and we have to write an essay on it. Here's the prompt:

1. What are the personal circumstances each protagonist faces in the novella? What are the general historical circumstances (global and regional) which provide the setting for each novella? What are the local circumstances (meaning in one case Algerian, in the other Iraqi) which provide the setting for each novel? (15%)

2. Citing specific examples, describe the attitude of each protagonist to the contemporary authoritarian state. Citing specific examples, describe the attitude of each author. (10%)

3. Symbols play an important role in parables such as the two you are reading. The central symbol of The Earthquake is the earthquake/apocalypse. The central symbol of I’jaam is language itself—particularly the use of language as a source of resistance or inspiration, on the one hand, and its distortion in the hands of authoritarian governments. Explain, citing specific examples from the book. (10%)

4. In each novella, the protagonists perform acts of resistance against the state. What are those acts? Based on the lectures, your reading of Gelvin, The Modern Middle East and Gelvin, “The Rise and Fall of the Populist State in the Middle East from the Perspective of Global Political Economy” (see syllabus), what other acts of resistance have the inhabitants of the region taken? What do these acts tell us about the limits of the power of the authoritarian state in the Middle East? (15%)

5. When they took power, the revolutionary Algerian regime, the revolutionary Iraqi regime, and similar regimes throughout the region were extremely popular. Using the sources cited in question 4, explain why. What international, regional, and domestic factors explain why the early promise of these regimes was doomed to failure? (40%)

151 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:16:10am

re: #150 TheMatrix31

I couldn't make it through 15% of the prompt...

152 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:16:34am

re: #149 Fenway_Nation

I think we're reading the same website at exactly the same speed.
;)

153 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:21:33am

re: #152 gmsc

I came for the beekeeper quotes,,,stayed for the irreverent asides from secondary charachters.

154 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:22am

re: #153 Fenway_Nation

I came for the beekeeper quotes,,,stayed for the irreverent asides from secondary charachters.

Mr. Burns: That's your excuse for everything!

155 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:28:42am

re: #151 Fenway_Nation

I couldn't make it through 15% of the prompt...

Don't know how I'm even going to stay awake to do this.

156 Mikky  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:37:55am

re: #149 Fenway_Nation

Well lookie who's a Simpsons fan.
Also
H: Beer - the solution and cause of all problems!

Dunno if he said it exactly like that but whatever. Good morning EU-lizards

157 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:43:56am

re: #156 Mikky

Well lookie who's a Simpsons fan.
Also
H: Beer - the solution and cause of all problems!

Dunno if he said it exactly like that but whatever. Good morning EU-lizards

I think it was something like

"Alcohol, the cause of, AND SOLUTION TO...all of life's problems!"

158 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:45:04am
Homer: And now we play the waiting game...

[lengthy pause]

Homer: eh, the waiting game sucks, let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos.

159 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:47:59am

re: #156 Mikky

I was until the infamous GI D'Oh! episode.

Still...about 15 years worth of nuggets prior to that excerable cock-up of an episode.

160 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:49:00am

re: #159 Fenway_Nation

I was until the infamous GI D'Oh! episode.

Still...about 15 years worth of nuggets prior to that excerable cock-up of an episode.

I liked it for about the first 8 seasons, and then it just seemed to get too old.

The fact that it's been on for 20 years now is mind-boggling!

161 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:51:42am

re: #5 FurryOldGuyJeans

Am I a hawk, or am I a pigeon?

Some days are pigeons and other days are poop.

162 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:52:28am

re: #160 gmsc

There's some debate as to when exactly the Simpsons jumped the shark. I can say that crapping all over the United States Army and its soldiers on Veteran's Day Weekend counts as unambiguous shark-jumping in my book

163 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:53:50am

re: #161 Sharmuta

Heh...some days you're the fly, some days you're the windshield.

164 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:53:55am

re: #161 Sharmuta

Some days are pigeons and other days are poop.

That's poultry in motion!

165 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:54:21am

re: #163 Fenway_Nation

Heh...some days you're the fly, some days you're the windshield.

Days?

166 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:55:32am

re: #165 Sharmuta

Verbatim quote from an old NCO of mine...

167 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:59:48am

re: #166 Fenway_Nation

Verbatim quote from an old NCO of mine...

He must've made a fortune from all the bumper stickers he sold that say exactly the same thing.

168 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:00:02am

Something fruitcup this way comes...

169 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:00:02am

FRUITCUP!

(and two dead rats... %-)

hasta, y'all.

L8r!

/white smoke

170 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:00:52am

re: #162 Fenway_Nation

There's some debate as to when exactly the Simpsons jumped the shark. I can say that crapping all over the United States Army and its soldiers on Veteran's Day Weekend counts as unambiguous shark-jumping in my book

I didn't even know that HAPPENED!

I stopped regularly watching new episodes around 2001 or 2002.

171 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:00:53am

re: #169 redc1c4

FRUITCUP!

(and two dead rats... %-)

All in the same serving dish?

172 Beach Lover  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:01:23am

very early good morning, Lizards.
anyone watching Obama's joint press conference with Merkel? He is really stumbling in his speaking. Embarrassing

173 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:01:24am

re: #167 gmsc

Needs to be said with a thick southern drawl...which doesn't translate to a bumper-sticker that well.

174 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:02:09am

re: #171 gmsc

All in the same serving dish?

never... unless you forgot to clear the table afterward.

175 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:03:24am

Well...LoL seems to be running late, so:

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening lizards!

Fruitcup is now on the buffet --->

/Rat-free, of course.

176 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:04:24am

re: #175 Fenway_Nation

Well...LoL seems to be running late, so:

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening lizards!

Fruitcup is now on the buffet --->

/Rat-free, of course.

Sounds better!

177 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:05:49am

No littleoldlady brand Fruitcup. See? Some days really are poop.

178 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:06:28am

re: #176 gmsc

Well...to Red's credit, I'm sure he uses only free-range rats.

179 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:09:38am

Homer: Webster's defines WEDDING as "The process of removing weeds from one's garden" . . .

180 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:13:06am

re: #170 TheMatrix31

It happened...and I can't bring up that episode without mentioning to what CBC's Hockey Night in Canada aired that same weekend by comparison:

A little telling that a left-leaning network in a country that's sometimes ridiculed for having no military to speak of had such a well-done and appropriate tribute to their fallen soldiers versus the supposedly jingoistic, right-wing FOX.

181 gmsc  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:17:15am

Well, good night, all!

182 BignJames  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:17:54am

Someone issue a bolo for lol.

183 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:21:02am

re: #180 Fenway_Nation

It happened...and I can't bring up that episode without mentioning to what CBC's Hockey Night in Canada aired that same weekend by comparison:


A little telling that a left-leaning network in a country that's sometimes ridiculed for having no military to speak of had such a well-done and appropriate tribute to their fallen soldiers versus the supposedly jingoistic, right-wing FOX.

Some things are just a bit ironic, I guess.

184 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:22:11am

re: #181 gmsc

Tour Guide: Good night! Don't let the bedbugs parylize!

185 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:23:27am

Getting my address book in order, listening to the soundtrack from Das Boot. It's Friday in Afghanistan :-)

186 Cheechako  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:24:17am

re: #42 Fenway_Nation

Heh...one of the schools near where I grew up in Western Mass had the politically incorrect name of the Redskins.

I wasn't surprised to see that they changed the name to Redhawks when I went by there a few years ago. What I was surprised to learn was that there was something like a 5-year span where they went without a name before adopting 'Redhawks'. I'm not sure if that was by design (a passive protest against the student-atheletes having no say in the name-change, perhaps) or some sort of deadlock...

The thing is, I think most of the surrounding schools still have their American-Indian mascots (i.e. Mohawks, Warriors, etc).


When I went to UMass (Amherst) we were known as the "Redman". I still have my Bobby Head mascot which is labeled the same.

187 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:25:49am

Not only the Simpsons; Family Guy never seems to miss an opportunity to void their bowels all over the military, or the right, which they probably see as synonymous.

188 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:28:36am

re: #186 Cheechako


Where are you, "Whitey"?

189 Cheechako  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:29:32am

I'm in the Moonbat Capitol in SE alaska.

190 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:31:00am

I grew up (somewhat) on Douglas and out on Mendenhall loop. Back when the IGA was all that was out there.

191 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:31:33am

Oh, and the Nugget Mall.

192 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:33:02am

re: #183 TheMatrix31

I'm glad Canada's soldiers have such a prominent and enthusiastic supporter in Don Cherry, otherwise I feel they'd be subjected to an endless stream of unchecked anti-war, our-boys-are-dying-for-nothing -but-they're-uneducated-babykillers-anyway propaganda.

Also, the NHL network now carries the CBC Hockey Night in Canada feed live, so I got to Cherry's Veteran's Dat Edition of Coaches Corner back in November.

I have to say, it was somewhat cathartic after the fairly depressing turn of events the week before (i.e. the American electorate choosing a smooth-talking used car salesman over a war hero with a track record of working with both parties).

193 Cheechako  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:33:38am

I leve in the Mendenhall Valley. If it's been awhile you wouldn't recognize the place. The Nugget Mall is still here. Where are you?

194 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:35:05am

re: #186 Cheechako

UMass Minutemen...one of the better NCAA div. Iaa football programs out there.

Of course, a bunch of moonbats were trying to get rid of the Minuteman logo because it was a White Guy brandishing a Firearm!

195 Cheechako  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:37:17am

re: #194 Fenway_Nation


Well they did get rid of the Redman logo. When I was there they were Div 1 in the Yankee conference.

196 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:38:32am

re: #195 Cheechako

I think my father was there around the same time as Bill Cosby and Dr. J.

197 Cheechako  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:39:29am

I was there before them - early 60's.

198 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:42:07am

re: #187 haakondahl

Not only the Simpsons; Family Guy never seems to miss an opportunity to void their bowels all over the military, or the right, which they probably see as synonymous.

That almost goes without saying. I sat through one episode where the baby and dog join the Army thinking 'Who knows? Maybe it will actually be funny?'. 28 minutes later, I was still waiting for it to be funny.

McFarlane makes clear his disdain for Mid America at every opportunity as well.

199 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:45:33am

re: #197 Cheechako

I think it's been the UMass Minutemen my whole life.

There's just no pleasing some moonbats- the Redman is replaced with an armed revolutionary and eventually they want that replaced!

200 Cheechako  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:47:18am

The times...they are changing.

Going to call it a night before the sun comes up at 3 am.

201 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:50:16am

re: #200 Cheechako

Weet dreams then!

Guess it's just me and the lurkers...

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:37am

re: #201 Fenway_Nation

Whaaa?

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:59:49am

Stupid dog got up. I could still be asleep. But I am not.

204 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:02:32am

re: #201 Fenway_Nation

Weet dreams then!

Guess it's just me and the lurkers...

If we don't wanna waterboard Guantanamo detainees, I suggest sending them the crap I'm reading.

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:02:36am

Yeah. Back to bed.

206 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:03:37am
207 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:09:36am

Morning Lizards, Happy Friday!

208 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:10:46am

re: #193 Cheechako

I leve in the Mendenhall Valley. If it's been awhile you wouldn't recognize the place. The Nugget Mall is still here. Where are you?

Last time I was there was 1979. The old bridge, etc.
The place I lived in Mendenhall is now supposed to be covered in Condos. That was "the green house" to my family. I then moved to a beautiful old wooden 2-story in Douglas. Actually, would be interested to find out how the house is.

209 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:12:19am

re: #207 rightside

Morning Lizards, Happy Friday!

Friday is getting ready to wind down over here. It's about 110 in the shade, and I have a full belly. It's all I can do to remain upright while walking. Somehow, I shall persevere.

210 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:13:25am

re: #206 Fenway_Nation

FAIL

/*sigh*

211 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:56am

re: #207 rightside

Morning rightside!

212 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:57am

re: #209 haakondahl

Reminds me of Panama

213 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:08am
214 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:30:26am
215 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:30:49am
216 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:34:12am

Here is another picture of that cutie!

217 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:34:58am

re: #215 Dar ul Harbarian

I was actually speaking of NY route 213 and Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range SD38-2 #214.

//

218 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:36:14am
219 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:38:48am

re: #211 Fenway_Nation

FN!

220 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:43:51am

re: #219 rightside

What's up this morning, rightside?

221 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:55:58am

re: #220 Fenway_Nation

raining here like usual, ready to head into work though...will be back on in 15.

222 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:56:36am

Looks like the Magic took 0's NBA Finals prediction to heart.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:58:29am
224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:10:05am

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Guess y'all can.

225 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:10:10am

re: #222 soxfan4life

Looks like the Magic took 0's NBA Finals prediction to heart.

Bastards. The Lakers AND Barack.

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:11:47am

re: #225 TheMatrix31

Bastards. The Lakers AND Barack AND Tarheels.

He's pretty good at calling it, gotta admit it.

Of course, as LeBron showed...hard to win consistently with 1 on 5 basketball.

227 justdanny  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:12:42am

I'm looking at leaving the Republican Party. I know I'm not a democrat, or a libertarian. I just believe I am not longer represented by the core of the Republican Party.

Off to work. Have a peachy day good lizards!

228 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:13:07am

Good morning.

Look for the market to open on the upside before the unemployment numbers come out. I think we will be at or over 9% unemployment;


Here's something to chill your heart. Congress is now playing NIMBY with car delaership closings.


Barney Frank, Car Czar


President Obama may have "no interest" in running General Motors, as he averred Monday. But even if that's true, we are already discovering that he shares Washington with 535 Members of Congress, many of whom have other ideas.

The latest self-appointed car czar is Massachusetts's own Barney Frank, who intervened this week to save a GM distribution center in Norton, Mass. The warehouse, which employs some 90 people, was slated for closure by the end of the year under GM's restructuring plan. But Mr. Frank put in a call to GM CEO Fritz Henderson and secured a new lease on life for the facility.

Mr. Frank's spokesman, Harry Gural, says the Congressman discussed, among other things, "the facility's value to GM." We'd have thought that would be something that GM might have considered when it decided to close the Norton center, but then a call from one of the most powerful Members of Congress can certainly cause a ward of the state to reconsider what qualifies as "value." A CEO who refuses the offer can soon find himself testifying under oath before Congress, or answering questions from the Government Accountability Office about his expense account. To that point, Mr. Henderson spent Wednesday with Chrysler President Jim Press being castigated by the Senate Commerce Committee for their plans to close 3,400 car dealerships. Every Senator wants dealerships closed in someone else's state.

Yep, we now have people like Barney Frank using their "influence" to decide which dealerships get closed and which don't. What makes this different from any other situation where a politician calls out of interest to try to save some jobs, is that Frank has the power to drag people to Congress and crucify them on TV. Remember the AIG hearing?

He has done it before and I am sure he will do it again.


As Mr. Gural put it, Mr. Frank was "just doing what any other Congressman would do" in looking out for the interests of his constituents. And that's the problem with industrial policy and government control of American business. In Washington, every Member of Congress now thinks he's a czar who can call 'ol Fritz and tell him how to make cars.

The only hope GM has of eventually turning a profit (I know that is a bad word in our age of Marxism), and that will only happen if the government stays out of the business decision making.

I now expect that the GM bail-out/restructure efforts will be a failure, and we will shovel money into them for at least the next 3.5 years.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:13:22am

re: #227 justdanny

They left you, man. Have a good one.

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:14:23am

re: #228 3 wood

They are good at the "hard choices" which punch the other guy in the nose, aren't they.

231 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:14:29am

I remember right before the first Gulf War, when the matter was before the UN, Dennis Miller was the anchor for Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update and said somthing along the lines of 'The U.N. Security Council Approved the resolution against Iraq with only China abstaining, saying that military intervention was only neccecary if Iraq was entirely populated by unarmed college students'

232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:16:21am

re: #231 Fenway_Nation

Yesterday was the Anniversary, wasn't it?

233 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:16:24am

re: #230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They are good at the "hard choices" which punch the other guy in the nose, aren't they.

The Messiah said we have to sacrifice. The Dems are saying, "sure, but not me."

It is the use of influence to shift pain to somebody else.

234 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:18:13am

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tianamen? Yep...

20 years later, the ChiComs get a pass.

20 years from now, the Arab street will still be howling about some murder-happy jihadis getting locked up in what amounts to a white-collar prison facility on a tropical island.

235 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:21:40am

re: #233 3 wood

What's you take on the majority of Chrysler dealerships targeted for closure being GOP donors? I think it's been explained away that some 75%-80% of auto dealers are GOP donors, but that raises a larger issue for me as to why these 'car czars' are taking the axe to a majority republican section of the auto industry instead of getting more concessions from the union (i.e. reliable Dem donors).

236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:25:00am

re: #235 Fenway_Nation

I personally do not think it is relevant. Production will be cut by about 40%, don't think that there will be enough cars made to support an over-supply of dealers.

Three Chrysler dealerships in the area where I live. One would be plenty.

Of course, I'd trust Wood's opinion over mine.

MORNIN' WOOD!

237 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:26:47am
Frank has the power to drag people to Congress and crucify them on TV.

If the Republican Party could find it within themselves to put down its favorite non-governmental social pursuits for a minute and call out Representative Frank for his role in creating this economic disaster, then perhaps people like justdanny would feel something worth fighting for under the rapidly shrinking GOP tent.

I am all for the party getting rid of those people who seem more supported by, rather than supportive of, the party. In this sense I am a bit of a small-tenter. But that tent should be centered over the core values of small government, fiscal responsibility, and accountability of officeholders.

238 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:28:20am

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MORNIN' WOOD!

Yeah yeah yeah...I get that too, but you don't hear me shouting it from the mountaintops.

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:28:45am

re: #238 Fenway_Nation

heh

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:29:38am

re: #237 haakondahl

The only damn time they don't want to "gay bash"!
/

241 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:29:41am

re: #235 Fenway_Nation

What's you take on the majority of Chrysler dealerships targeted for closure being GOP donors?

I don't know enough about it to have a take one way or the other.

242 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:30:35am

re: #238 Fenway_Nation

Yeah yeah yeah...I get that too, but you don't hear me shouting it from the mountaintops.

Then you're doing it wrong.

243 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:32:24am

Re-post from upthread:

Fenway's This Day In History (Edited by Xinhua News agency)

1989- Chinese PLA troops and armor
move into Beijing's Tianamen Square to brutally crush a student uprising. To this day, the exact death toll remains unknown. Absolutely nothing happened.

244 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:34:23am

re: #237 haakondahl

If the Republican Party could find it within themselves to put down its favorite non-governmental social pursuits for a minute and call out Representative Frank for his role in creating this economic disaster, then perhaps people like justdanny would feel something worth fighting for under the rapidly shrinking GOP tent.

I am all for the party getting rid of those people who seem more supported by, rather than supportive of, the party. In this sense I am a bit of a small-tenter. But that tent should be centered over the core values of small government, fiscal responsibility, and accountability of officeholders.

I agree.

But also I would not be excusing Frank for his efforts cause the Republicans don't stop him. This is what happens when one party rules, and you need look no farther than Chicago or Detroit to see how that works out.

245 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:35:05am

And on that somewhat depressing life-imitates-satire note, I'll be leaving.

Play nice, lizards...

246 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:37:48am

Ooops...follow-up.

Fenway's This Day in History (As Edited by Xinhua)

June 5, 1989- Chinese officials begin cleaning up after absolutely nothing happened at Tianamen Square.

247 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:44:27am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!

About time I got back on deck here I reckon :-)

It's winter Down Under so you skiers out there, here's a bit about the OZ and NZ snowfields for you! Come and visit :-)

248 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:46:04am

re: #228 3 wood

Un-fucking-precedented! Out-fucking-rageous!

"You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into... the United States under obama.

249 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:46:43am

BRISBANE, Australia — An American man pleaded guilty and was sentenced Friday for the manslaughter of his wife, who drowned during their honeymoon scuba diving trip in Australia. Her body was found on the ocean floor.

In move that outraged the victim's family, David Gabriel Watson will serve just one year of the four-and-a-half-year sentence in the death of his wife of 11 days, Christina Mae Watson. She died in 2003 as the couple dove off the tropical coast of Queensland. The suspended sentence is not unusual in such crimes in Queensland.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"Oh honey is our life insurance all paid up to date? Yes, Great. Hey how about we go to Australia for a vacation? No, you don't look fat in that bathing suit."

250 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:47:09am

re: #247 aussiemagpie

{aussie} good to see you again.

251 irish rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:48:54am

Good morning, lizards.

252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:49:15am

re: #248 rightside

Good morning, sir.

NIMBY pre-dates Obama. Knows no political affiliation.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:49:33am

re: #251 irish rose

Hiya Rose...purrr

254 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:50:05am

re: #250 rightside

{aussie} good to see you again.

Hi rightside, good to see you too :-) I'm glad I'm not chopped liver tonight!

255 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:51:14am

re: #254 aussiemagpie

Nope. How's things down under?

256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:51:46am

re: #254 aussiemagpie

Chopped Liver?

Ugh. I hope not.

257 irish rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:52:10am

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya, FBV ;).

258 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:54:55am

re: #257 irish rose

Looking at your blog... What a pathetic life some of them lead, being able to troll blogs all day for comments and such. Get a frakkin' life!

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:55:55am

Can't freakin' believe it! I have to drive for 2 hours to a house to design a kitchen where the homeowner won't even be there!

SON OF A POOPING CORKSOCKING SUCHANDSUCH!

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:56:20am

re: #258 rightside

See why I don't go to other sites?!

261 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:57:15am

re: #255 rightside

Nope. How's things down under?

We escaped the recession acording to the latest economic figures, thanks to our Dear Leader's policies, the rain has stopped here in Sydney, and it's Friday night and we have a long weekend! Three days off !

And a bonus, it's very mild weather so far for winter :-) How about you?

262 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:58:08am

re: #256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chopped Liver?

Ugh. I hope not.

LOL! OK chopped tofu :-)

263 Irish Rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:00:54am

re: #258 rightside

Looking at your blog... What a pathetic life some of them lead, being able to troll blogs all day for comments and such. Get a frakkin' life!

Yes I know, pretty pathetic.

264 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:01:56am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't freakin' believe it! I have to drive for 2 hours to a house to design a kitchen where the homeowner won't even be there!

SON OF A POOPING CORKSOCKING SUCHANDSUCH!

Then put all the appliances on the ceiling.

265 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:03:58am

re: #264 Mithrax

Then put all the appliances on the ceiling.

Put a closet right in the middle

266 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:05:16am

re: #265 soxfan4life

Put a closet right in the middle

Put all the electrical outlets right behind the sink

267 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:06:47am

re: #254 aussiemagpie
{aussiemagpie} You're back!
How are you?

268 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:08:01am

re: #261 aussiemagpie

We have gotten the entire worlds rain for the month of May, and June is already trying to steal that accomplishment, raining here again, and forecast for the entire weekend.

Other than that though, doing real good. I'd love to go back to Sydney for a vacation.

269 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:08:14am

re: #266 Nevergiveup

Put all the electrical outlets right behind the sink


Your nice I'd put them all behind the refrigerator.

270 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:09:00am

re: #269 soxfan4life

Your nice I'd put them all behind the refrigerator.

What refrigerator?

271 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:09:12am

Morning all.
Wifey flew off to Europe for a couple weeks, leaving me to fend for myself with my two faithful feline companions. I wonder which one of them can cook?

272 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:10:19am

re: #271 Lincolntf

Morning all.
Wifey flew off to Europe for a couple weeks, leaving me to fend for myself with my two faithful feline companions. I wonder which one of them can cook?

How do you feel about free-caught mousies?

273 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:10:27am

re: #267 VioletTiger

{aussiemagpie} You're back!
How are you?


Hello {VioletTiger} Good to see you too

Things are bubbling along here - it's winter, no recession officially but people are losing jobs, we all got a nice cash handout (of our own money of course) and life goes on...

One good thing, it's a long weekend for us Down Under :-)

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:11:27am

re: #264 Mithrax

re: #265 soxfan4life

re: #266 Nevergiveup

Thanks.

275 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:11:29am

re: #271 Lincolntf

Morning all.
Wifey flew off to Europe for a couple weeks, leaving me to fend for myself with my two faithful feline companions. I wonder which one of them can cook?

If they're like mine, don't ask them to stir the chili.

276 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:11:38am

re: #271 Lincolntf

Morning all.
Wifey flew off to Europe for a couple weeks, leaving me to fend for myself with my two faithful feline companions. I wonder which one of them can cook?


Can always do the Morgan Sperlock Supersize me thing and eat McDonalds every day.

277 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:12:40am

re: #270 Nevergiveup

Are you and I still agreeing this morning? Or was that a dream? :)

278 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:13:46am

re: #273 aussiemagpie

Hello {VioletTiger} Good to see you too

Things are bubbling along here - it's winter, no recession officially but people are losing jobs, we all got a nice cash handout (of our own money of course) and life goes on...

One good thing, it's a long weekend for us Down Under :-)


At least you get some of your own cash back, seems like unless you are a UAW member or illegal in the US you get 0 back on all this debt we are accumulating.

279 Ateam  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:15:46am

It was very strange hearing Ms. Obama's speech yestarday. Never mind twisting history and cutting corners off well known events from the past, POTUS should be briefed better on facts and matters of here & now. For example, according to C.I.A. there are about 2M Muslims in USA - not 7M as was said.

[Link: www.cia.gov...]
Protestant 51.3%
Roman Catholic 23.9%
Mormon 1.7%
other Christian 1.6%
Jewish 1.7%
Buddhist 0.7%
Muslim 0.6%
other or unspecified 2.5%
unaffiliated 12.1%,
none 4%

280 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:15:46am

re: #268 rightside

We have gotten the entire worlds rain for the month of May, and June is already trying to steal that accomplishment, raining here again, and forecast for the entire weekend.

Other than that though, doing real good. I'd love to go back to Sydney for a vacation.

You're sharing that rain with us, it's rained here on and off for two weeks

I'll wait at the airport for you if you visit here, with a big welcome sign :-)

I've always wanted to do that !

281 Rustler  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:15:56am

re: #235 Fenway_Nation A better question would be why in 6 seperate market's RLJ Inc. lost all of its competition for crysler dealers. RLJ Inc is a major dem contributor. Since yes about 4 in 5 auto dealership owners are GoP contributors.

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:16:02am

re: #276 soxfan4life

Can always do the Morgan Sperlock Supersize me thing and eat McDonalds every day.

Healthier now than it was three years ago.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:16:31am

re: #279 Ateam

Bunch of closet Muslims, maybe?

284 Rustler  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:17:32am

re: #281 Rustler

RLJ-McLarty-Landers Automotive Group is the specific sub company that lost it's copetitors.

285 Irish Rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:17:50am

Lizards, I'm asking for your prayers this morning.
I'm going through a pretty terrible time right now... I'm struggling to recover from an emergency health crisis with my youngest son, and within the last three days I've been hit with two very serious economic setbacks - the impending loss of my vehicle, and the loss of my job to cutbacks.

They say that when it rains, it pours.
Unfortunately, I'm a single mom without economic backup and every setback like this has the potential for a dire outcome. Losing your vehicle and your source of income within the span of just a few days is pretty devestating. Still, I'm grateful to God that my son is still with me and that he's going to be OK

I'm so exhausted, I feel like I've been run over by a Mack truck.

If I leave before Realwest arrives, would you folks ask him to email me?

286 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:18:34am

re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Healthier now than it was three years ago.


After seeing how it messed up his liver I'll pass on the McDonalds. Although I do like the sweet tea.

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:19:04am

re: #280 aussiemagpie

I'd like to stand in an airport with a sign that says something like, "Robert Plant" or "Vice-President Cheney"...like I'm their ride. Just see how many people linger around waiting with me.

But, alas, I have a life.

288 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:19:46am

re: #271 Lincolntf

if you have an electric can opener, push the button and see which one comes running out to the kitchen first.

289 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:19:47am

I'm watching Fox's "Money for Breakfast" and the Mayor of Lansing, MI, Verg Banero is on there. My first impression: he's a Left-wing nut-case!

"We have to have fair trade that favors American workers..."

"It's the Wal-Mart-ization of our economy and that's what's killing us...I'm not bashing Obama here--he's inherited a mess."

With folks like this running the state, no wonder they're in such dire straits!

He has diarrhea of the mouth, too.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:20:06am

re: #285 Irish Rose

{Rose}

291 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:20:52am

re: #279 Ateam

His numbers are often off by an order of magnitude. It shows a willingness to exaggerate, lie, and obscure in order to get his point across. The fact that his misinformation is never pointed out to him emboldens him to lie bigger and better. What a transparent little weasel he is.
Anyway, his disquisition on the cultural benefits of Islam were hilarious. Imagine the surprise felt in Ancient Rome when Obama informed them that architectural arches weren't conceived of until 700 AD. He's a dope.

292 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:21:30am

re: #278 soxfan4life

At least you get some of your own cash back, seems like unless you are a UAW member or illegal in the US you get 0 back on all this debt we are accumulating.

Yes we were all so excited getting a $900 handout of our own money that had been taken by the Feds in the first place! Shop, shop,shop...

The best bit about this cash handout was that dead people got it, and overseas backpackers who had worked for a few weeks here were also sent a nice little $900 cheque, because they paid a little tax while they were picking fruit here

293 Rustler  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:21:33am

re: #285 Irish Rose Best wishes to you and yours rose, you'll be in my prayers.

294 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:21:58am

On Fox now, a story about the terrorist who shot our soldier at the recruitment center. He has ties to a mosque in Ohio, where other terrorists also have ties.
His lawyer said he was 'radicalized' when he went to Yemen.

Major silence from MSM still.

295 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:22:27am

re: #285 Irish Rose

My prayers are with you. Sincerely.

296 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:22:46am

re: #280 aussiemagpie

How will I know it's you? I can't read Australian ;P

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:22:49am

re: #291 Lincolntf

His granny told him a billion times not to exaggerate.

Didn't stick, though.

83.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

298 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:23:05am

re: #285 Irish Rose

Prayers coming right up.

299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:23:16am

re: #294 VioletTiger

Why else do you go to Yemen?

300 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:23:51am

re: #285 Irish Rose
{Rose} Will send prayers.

301 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:23:54am

re: #285 Irish Rose

Sorry to hear that. Hang in there.

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:24:10am

re: #285 Irish Rose

Rose, if you can, you need to get the hell out of that area.

303 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:24:32am

re: #285 Irish Rose

{Irish Rose} Best wishes and I hope things work out for you , and I'm so glad your son is OK!

304 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:24:43am

re: #285 Irish Rose

Lizards, I'm asking for your prayers this morning.
I'm going through a pretty terrible time right now... I'm struggling to recover from an emergency health crisis with my youngest son, and within the last three days I've been hit with two very serious economic setbacks - the impending loss of my vehicle, and the loss of my job to cutbacks.

They say that when it rains, it pours.
Unfortunately, I'm a single mom without economic backup and every setback like this has the potential for a dire outcome. Losing your vehicle and your source of income within the span of just a few days is pretty devestating. Still, I'm grateful to God that my son is still with me and that he's going to be OK

I'm so exhausted, I feel like I've been run over by a Mack truck.

If I leave before Realwest arrives, would you folks ask him to email me?


I'll send you a hug and say a prayer for you. Hang tough and better days will come. At least your son wil be okay,in 2007 I had a serious career ending injury that took me over 2 years to recover from in January and in May my son was in a serious MV accident and was in a coma at Brigham and Womens hospital we both recovered and while my financial well being took a big hit the near loss of my son put it all in perspective. Remeber when he closes a door he opens a window.

305 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:24:44am

re: #299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why else do you go to Yemen?

I hear the shopping and the nightlife are great./

306 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:24:59am

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

Are you and I still agreeing this morning? Or was that a dream? :)

And who are you again?
/

307 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:25:35am

re: #294 VioletTiger

On Fox now, a story about the terrorist who shot our soldier at the recruitment center. He has ties to a mosque in Ohio, where other terrorists also have ties.
His lawyer said he was 'radicalized' when he went to Yemen.

Major silence from MSM still.

Well that Club Med in Yemen is known for that?

308 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:26:16am

re: #287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd like to stand in an airport with a sign that says something like, "Robert Plant" or "Vice-President Cheney"...like I'm their ride. Just see how many people linger around waiting with me.

But, alas, I have a life.

LOL! Just what I've always wanted to do too! But I have a life too, but I reckon I will do it before I fall off the perch :-)

309 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:27:40am

re: #285 Irish Rose

Done.

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:27:48am

re: #285 Irish Rose

You're a friend, and I'd like to offer this little smidgen of advice. Shut down the comment feature to your blog for a few day's while you're sorting these things out. Trolls are going to attack you like there is no tomorrow and will hurt (no matter how hard you try to ignore them) your recovery efforts.

I'm praying for you, but I want you to fight smart.

311 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:27:48am

re: #296 rightside

How will I know it's you? I can't read Australian ;P

I'll write the sign in Americanese :-)

312 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:28:35am

re: #311 aussiemagpie

LOL!

313 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:28:39am

re: #292 aussiemagpie

So everybody got the $900, even those nasty 'rich' people? ;)

314 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:29:58am

re: #313 VioletTiger

So everybody got the $900, even those nasty 'rich' people? ;)

What 900?

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:30:17am

re: #311 aussiemagpie

I'll write the sign in Americanese :-)

With misspellings and bad grammar?

316 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:30:40am

re: #313 VioletTiger

So everybody got the $900, even those nasty 'rich' people? ;)


Well that there will be the reason why it doesn't work. For some reason giving money back to those who you took it from is the cause of all of our economic problems. At least that is what the MSM tells me.

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:32:35am

I've gotta run. Y'all tell RealWest to put razorbacker on the list on the Thanksgiving side. He's staying off the intertubes for a while to re-acclimate himself to the real world now that his health is gotten better.

He ain't here, but, we're happy for him!

318 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:32:57am

re: #304 soxfan4life

{soxfan4life} Best wishes to you and your son, and I hope all is well for you both now!

319 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:33:27am

re: #316 soxfan4life

Well that there will be the reason why it doesn't work. For some reason giving money back to those who you took it from is the cause of all of our economic problems. At least that is what the MSM tells me.

Shit I got a letter from the IRS yesterday that I owe them $650 because my wife didn't give me some paperwork of hers from her games in the stock market?

320 Rustler  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:34:11am

Trying to find a map of dealer closings near the RLJ dealerships again.

321 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:34:37am

Okay, this has to be the most ridiculous gadget I have ever seen. The Neckline Slimmer. It's a piston-like device you use under your chin to get rid of the double chin thing. Just nod your head, 10,000 times...

322 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:34:53am

re: #313 VioletTiger

So everybody got the $900, even those nasty 'rich' people? ;)

Every single taxpayer! Dead, alive, overseas citizens...

323 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:35:16am

re: #314 Nevergiveup

What 900?

See #292

324 Irish Rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:35:43am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rose, if you can, you need to get the hell out of that area.

I can't.

325 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:36:13am

re: #318 aussiemagpie

{soxfan4life} Best wishes to you and your son, and I hope all is well for you both now!

Things are good now, I just want Rose to know that even when things seem darkest better times are just around the corner. I am thankful every day that my son is still around and I am upright and able to walk again. Everything else will take care of itself.

326 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:36:41am

re: #314 Nevergiveup

What 900?

All us taxpayers Down Under were lucky to get a stimulus cash cheque for $900 :-)

Rich and poor, dead or alive...

327 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:36:59am

re: #322 aussiemagpie

Every single taxpayer! Dead, alive, overseas citizens...

The checks to the dead must have been interesting. Have they cashed them yet? Where will they spend it, I wonder. (You can't take it with you, but you can have it mailed ahead?)

328 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:37:19am

re: #306 Nevergiveup

And who are you again?
/

That gentile guy that writes all the Jewish theme plays.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:38:20am

re: #328 Walter L. Newton

That gentle guy that writes all the Jewish theme plays.

Changed just a smidge.

330 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:38:23am

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

With misspellings and bad grammar?

No, that's Australian!

331 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:39:07am

Unemployment is 9.4%. Not good IMO.

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:39:10am

re: #324 Irish Rose

I can't.

I understand. My 310 is dead on though. I promise.

333 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:39:38am

re: #319 Nevergiveup

Shit I got a letter from the IRS yesterday that I owe them $650 because my wife didn't give me some paperwork of hers from her games in the stock market?

Just blame the IRS like John Forbes Kerry does.

[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

334 Irish Rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:40:09am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're a friend, and I'd like to offer this little smidgen of advice. Shut down the comment feature to your blog for a few day's while you're sorting these things out. Trolls are going to attack you like there is no tomorrow and will hurt (no matter how hard you try to ignore them) your recovery efforts.

I'm praying for you, but I want you to fight smart.

Thanks for your concern, FBV, but those people don't bother me. I know what their agenda is.

I did go to registration only, and that should take care of the problem.

335 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:40:19am

re: #328 Walter L. Newton

That gentile guy that writes all the Jewish theme plays.

Oh the Goy, sure now I remember. Avanti's friend?
/
Seriously thought, you do seem to have pretty good handle on Jewish things from what I see.

336 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:40:44am

re: #325 soxfan4life

Things are good now, I just want Rose to know that even when things seem darkest better times are just around the corner. I am thankful every day that my son is still around and I am upright and able to walk again. Everything else will take care of itself.

Thanks for your reply, you are quite an inspiration and I hope other posters here note your courage!

337 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:42:51am

re: #327 VioletTiger

The checks to the dead must have been interesting. Have they cashed them yet? Where will they spend it, I wonder. (You can't take it with you, but you can have it mailed ahead?)

Yes! Who knows what awaits in the afterlife, shopping malls just might be there...

338 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:42:58am

re: #336 aussiemagpie

Thank you for your kind words.

339 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:43:04am

Mornin' folks, from a damn hot Eastern Wa. It's 5:40 am and already 65! Supposed to be mid 90s! Had late afternoon t-storms yesterday.
Sarkozy is still a punk for not inviting the Queen to the D-Day event tomorrow.

340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:43:11am

See y'all later.

Just remember, "A day without sunshine, is like... night!"
-Steve Martin

341 Ateam  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:43:33am

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bunch of closet Muslims, maybe?

If so, 5M more closets are in demand. Very good news for the industry.

342 Rustler  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:44:01am

Here's an examiner article minus maps about RLJ. Still tryng to find the article with the nice maps.

343 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:44:38am

re: #335 Nevergiveup

Oh the Goy, sure now I remember. Avanti's friend?
/
Seriously thought, you do seem to have pretty good handle on Jewish things from what I see.

Thanks,

And I give all the credit to my Jewish friends in the foothills and mountains here on the west side of Denver, especially author Joanne Greenberg and producer Rick Bernstein.

And all this from an atheist. Will miracle never cease?

344 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:45:01am

re: #337 aussiemagpie

Yes! Who knows what awaits in the afterlife, shopping malls just might be there...

I hope there's a Nordstrom with a big shoe department! ;)

345 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:46:33am

re: #339 pingjockey

Mornin' folks, from a damn hot Eastern Wa. It's 5:40 am and already 65! Supposed to be mid 90s! Had late afternoon t-storms yesterday.
Sarkozy is still a punk for not inviting the Queen to the D-Day event tomorrow.

Wasn't the One supposed to work on getting him to relent?

I still can't understand this. The Queen is a WWII vet, bless her heart. She should be there.

346 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:46:50am

re: #344 VioletTiger

I hope there's a Nordstrom with a big shoe department! ;)

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

347 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:47:03am

re: #343 Walter L. Newton

Thanks,

And I give all the credit to my Jewish friends in the foothills and mountains here on the west side of Denver, especially author Joanne Greenberg and producer Rick Bernstein.

And all this from an atheist. Will miracle never cease?

Ever been to Israel?

348 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:47:35am

re: #319 Nevergiveup

Shit I got a letter from the IRS yesterday that I owe them $650 because my wife didn't give me some paperwork of hers from her games in the stock market?

Last week I got a letter from the IRS, too. Checked mail on the way to work and stuffed it in my pocket and opened at work.
As I opened it, I became mindful of my hands and was surprised to see them shaking and they wouldn't stop.

They owe me $1100+ from some obscure thing I knew nothing about.
Checks in the mail. Still don't quite believe it, but it's real.

349 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:47:48am

re: #338 soxfan4life

Thank you for your kind words.


Your words are really inspirational even if you think you've just posted a few words casual words here

Thanks again

350 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:47:56am

re: #347 Nevergiveup

Haifa, 1989.

351 Irish Rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:48:07am

It's a frustrating, scary time but I'm not alone.
My fiance is such a wonderful man, and I thank God for him every day.

He's urging me to just rest for a week or two, and let it all go. If I have a bill that is insurmountable I know that he'll help me pay it, even though times are financially difficult for his family as well as mine. He's also looking for a good used vehicle for me. We're crossing our fingers that the car doesn't die before I can afford to buy another one.

Sometimes you just have to live one day at a time, and let things sort themselves out.

352 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:49:04am

re: #343 Walter L. Newton
Late to the party Walter, are you doing Jewish themed plays?
BTW, sat and watched the Willie Wonka remake with Johnny Depp in it last night. Yep, that was definetly a Tim Burton production!

353 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:49:24am

re: #344 VioletTiger

I hope there's a Nordstrom with a big shoe department! ;)

LOL! Our equivalent, Myers would be welcome there also with a big shoe department :-)

354 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:49:28am

re: #348 Capitalist Tool

Last week I got a letter from the IRS, too. Checked mail on the way to work and stuffed it in my pocket and opened at work.
As I opened it, I became mindful of my hands and was surprised to see them shaking and they wouldn't stop.

They owe me $1100+ from some obscure thing I knew nothing about.
Checks in the mail. Still don't quite believe it, but it's real.

Yeah I know. I don't mind getting letters from the IRS at work, since it's usually payroll related and something the payroll service screwed up and has to fix themselves. But at Home, I hate that.

355 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:49:47am

re: #314 Nevergiveup

What 900?

Me and the wife got letters from the VA saying our $250 checks are on the way. We should have them before July 15.

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:50:43am

re: #343 Walter L. Newton

All praise to Athie!

357 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:50:48am

re: #347 Nevergiveup

Ever been to Israel?

No, and considering a 30 year love affair with middle eastern archeology, it's a damn shame, but I have promised myself to stay out of the area until the whole bunch of those governments and people get their act together.

Yes, I know, an irrational fear, as I am told over and over, but something I can't shake.

So, I do it through my archeology magazines, my playwriting and my friends (even the, yuck, far liberal democratic Jewish friends, who at least never back away from a good debate).

358 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:51:05am

Ain't America great?! A lingerie football league!

359 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:51:25am

re: #350 rightside

Haifa, 1989.

With the Navy? Did you get to tour the country at all? Or just the night life in Haifa. Of all the cities in Israel, I am probably least familiar with Haifa. It's usually a place a just traveled thru.

360 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:51:56am

re: #345 VioletTiger

Wasn't the One supposed to work on getting him to relent?

I still can't understand this. The Queen is a WWII vet, bless her heart. She should be there.

Wouldn't a last minute invite be more disrespectful than no invite at all? Like he had to have his arm twisted to make the invitation. I'm surprised that in 0's revisionist history lesson yesterday he didn't credit the Muslims and the Arab world for winning WW2.

361 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:52:59am

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

No, and considering a 30 year love affair with middle eastern archeology, it's a damn shame, but I have promised myself to stay out of the area until the whole bunch of those governments and people get their act together.

Yes, I know, an irrational fear, as I am told over and over, but something I can't shake.

So, I do it through my archeology magazines, my playwriting and my friends (even the, yuck, far liberal democratic Jewish friends, who at least never back away from a good debate).

I love archeology also. You should go. It is safe. I've climb/walked over every inch of Jerusalem.

362 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:53:29am

re: #360 soxfan4life

Wouldn't a last minute invite be more disrespectful than no invite at all? Like he had to have his arm twisted to make the invitation. I'm surprised that in 0's revisionist history lesson yesterday he didn't credit the Muslims and the Arab world for winning WW2.


Come on he is only human, he has to pace him self but he will get around to that.

363 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:53:44am

Be back later--patient calls

364 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:54:04am

re: #358 pingjockey

Ain't America great?! A lingerie football league!


Hopefully it has a longer life than the XFL.

365 avanti  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:54:18am

re: #345 VioletTiger

Wasn't the One supposed to work on getting him to relent?

I still can't understand this. The Queen is a WWII vet, bless her heart. She should be there.

She does not seem interested in going now.

Queen

366 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:54:36am

re: #352 pingjockey

Late to the party Walter, are you doing Jewish themed plays?
BTW, sat and watched the Willie Wonka remake with Johnny Depp in it last night. Yep, that was definetly a Tim Burton production!

I was talking about some of the plays I have written. "I Never Promised You A Rose Garden" and "High Crimes and Misdomeaners," both based on Joanne Greenberg's books, and "A Field of Buttercups" a Warsaw ghetto story based on the life of Polish pediatrician Janusz Korczak. That's my trilogy of Jewish themed plays.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

367 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:55:02am
368 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:55:02am

re: #360 soxfan4life

"...I would like to thank the people of Tripoli for providing the United States with a Marine Corps..."

369 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:55:08am

Man charged with threats against the president

Federal charges have been filed against a man accused of making threats against President Barack Obama. The threats occurred in a St. George bank.

The suspect, Daniel James Murray, is originally from New York but has recently moved among several states, including Utah. A warrant has been issued for Murray's arrest, but his current whereabouts are unknown, according to the Secret Service affidavit filed in U.S. District Court Thursday.

The charges say Murray recently withdrew $85,000 cash from his Zions First National Bank account over a period of two days last week. After receiving the first bundle of money from the teller, he told her, "We are on a mission to kill the president of the United States," the court document says.

The affidavit says Murray opened the account on May 19 and asked the bank employee who was helping set up the account if Zions was a "solvent" bank. He then told the woman that "with all this mess going on under President Obama with banks and the economy, I'm sure if citizens happen to lose their money, they will rise up and we could see killing and deaths," according to the affidavit.

370 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:55:33am

re: #364 soxfan4life
Heh. I wouldn't bet on it.

371 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:55:36am

re: #351 Irish Rose

Will pray, Rose. Do I understand that the scariness with your son is over? Other than the bills, I mean? I'm still waiting for our MI economy to pull out of it's dive too, but I have seen a little bit of thawing in the job market so I'll add you to my family's prayers there also.

372 Irish Rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:56:07am

I have a few things that I have to get done this morning, folks... I'm out for a while.

Would someone please ask Realwest to email me?

373 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:56:53am

re: #365 avanti

She does not seem interested in going now.

Queen

Well Avanti, if you were snubbed up until the last moment, wouldn't you consider NOT going?

374 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:57:29am

re: #366 Walter L. Newton
Cool. I would bet you and the 'libs' have some interesting discussions!

375 Rustler  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:58:20am

Found a blog with a map of the closures around RLJ dealerships near Lee's Summit Missouri posting link now If its a shoddy unwanted link feel free to report for deletion.

376 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:00:03am

re: #359 Nevergiveup

Yes, we pulled into there for liberty during our IO deployment. a few shipmates and I paid a guy $100, and he drove around a good bit of the country (where we went exactly I can't remember, I suffer from CRS*). First stop after we left the boat was too a grocery store, where he bought a few cases of beer, loaded them and some ice into a cooler in the trunk.

We drove around for 6-7 hours, drinking beer, and getting a personal tour. We even stopped in the middle of some desolate area, that had a waterpark! We ate lunch at a restaurant, then went swimming! We had such a great time there, everyone was so friendly.

377 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:00:57am

Looks like we'll get another up day for the market...
Futures rally after U.S. jobs data

S&P 500 futures rose 11.5 points to 952.00 and Nasdaq 100 futures rose 12 points to 1,505.00. Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 100 points.

The U.S. unemployment rate jumped to a 26-year high of 9.4% in May as 345,000 payroll jobs were lost, the Labor Department reported Friday. The decline in payrolls was the smallest since September, and much lower than the 500,000 expected by economists surveyed by MarketWatch. Payrolls in March and April were revised higher by 82,000.

378 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:01:00am

re: #373 Walter L. Newton
"Primarily a Franco-American ceremony" WTF?

379 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:02:04am

For you're enjoyment...

The cabin boy, the cabin boy, that dirty little nipper,
he lined his ass with shards of glass,
and circumcised the skipper.

380 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:03:38am

Any educator Lizards out there have any summer suggestions for my scary-smart daughter? She's 10 and we are popping buttons as she's scored in the high 90's percentile in both math and language arts for the last 2 years. We've got her enrolled in a girls advanced chemistry camp at a local college (a Christian college that knows that the earth isn't 6k years old) but we want to challenge her without ruining her summer.

381 Irish Rose  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:03:45am

re: #371 Spenser (with an S)

Will pray, Rose. Do I understand that the scariness with your son is over? Other than the bills, I mean? I'm still waiting for our MI economy to pull out of it's dive too, but I have seen a little bit of thawing in the job market so I'll add you to my family's prayers there also.

Yes, he came out of it OK and I really appreciate your asking.

My poor fiance is currently between jobs with two ailing parents and a teenage son to support. The economy up here in Michigan is so dire that its' forcing a lot of us to make decisions that we wouldn't otherwise make, and tighten up the belt almost to the point of suffocation. I'll be very glad when the job market breaks.

Last I heard, we're at 12 percent officially, and I'm thinking we're probably well over 25 percent unofficially.

At any rate, you have to be flexible to survive in this kind of economic climate and that's what I intend to continue to be. I'm not giving up, not by any means. Just need to give my body and my brain a bit of a break right now.

Have a pleasant day, everyone.

382 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:03:58am

{Irish Rose}

383 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:08:17am

The one is going to speak at Buchenwald. Wonder what kind of crap will spew forth?

384 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:08:51am

re: #376 rightside

Yes, we pulled into there for liberty during our IO deployment. a few shipmates and I paid a guy $100, and he drove around a good bit of the country (where we went exactly I can't remember, I suffer from CRS*). First stop after we left the boat was too a grocery store, where he bought a few cases of beer, loaded them and some ice into a cooler in the trunk.

We drove around for 6-7 hours, drinking beer, and getting a personal tour. We even stopped in the middle of some desolate area, that had a waterpark! We ate lunch at a restaurant, then went swimming! We had such a great time there, everyone was so friendly.


Did you ever go to Pusan or Seoul? Got sent on a retreat to Seoul while stationed in Korea because I was in the middle of my divorce. Went to Lotte World and to a drive through zoo with lions, tigers and bears. Lotte World has an indoor double loop roller coaster as well as other attractions it was quite fun.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

385 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:09:09am

Our primate ancestors have been laughing for 10m years

Study that involved tickling apes suggests laughter is not a uniquely human trait after all

With ape tickling video!

386 avanti  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:09:17am

re: #373 Walter L. Newton

Well Avanti, if you were snubbed up until the last moment, wouldn't you consider NOT going?

Yep, I agree. BTW,Heading out to the casino, see you Saturday.

387 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:10:31am

re: #380 Spenser (with an S)

How about music lessons?

388 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:12:41am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

Good idea, she starts the flute at school next fall, maybe an intro class this summer.

389 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:13:10am

re: #383 pingjockey

The one is going to speak at Buchenwald. Wonder what kind of crap will spew forth?

I would like to apologize for the terrible treatment of the German people by the US during WW2, something like that.

390 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:13:22am

Take your hands out of your pockets, FCBBHO! You're walking on sacred ground, not strolling through a park.

391 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:13:40am

re: #384 soxfan4life

I was in Chinhae for two days, but didn't venture far outside the base. I bought some nice blankets and a cheap nfl football jacket. I was close to getting sent back home to retire, so had to save the money.

392 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:14:49am

re: #376 rightside

Yes, we pulled into there for liberty during our IO deployment. a few shipmates and I paid a guy $100, and he drove around a good bit of the country (where we went exactly I can't remember, I suffer from CRS*). First stop after we left the boat was too a grocery store, where he bought a few cases of beer, loaded them and some ice into a cooler in the trunk.

We drove around for 6-7 hours, drinking beer, and getting a personal tour. We even stopped in the middle of some desolate area, that had a waterpark! We ate lunch at a restaurant, then went swimming! We had such a great time there, everyone was so friendly.

Water park was probably on the Kinneret. Ya know that little body of water Jesus walked on.

393 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:15:03am

re: #389 soxfan4life
Yep. We should've used diplomacy not force to get the Nazis to stop gassing people.

394 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:15:57am

re: #383 pingjockey

The one is going to speak at Buchenwald. Wonder what kind of crap will spew forth?

he probably watch Schindler's List last night?

395 garden18  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:16:15am

Just wanted to check in with why, as a Jew, I fear Obama. He has made a big deal about the Holocaust, visits a concentration camp, and wants you to think he has nothing but love for Jews. Such a calculating politician is he! No President has ever pressured Israel like Obama is doing now. It is convenient and easy to show respect for Jews who perished in the Holocaust. When it comes to those who are alive in Israel, that's another story.
A "two-state solution" is nothing but a step towards the final solution sought by the Nazis themselves.

396 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:17:03am

re: #390 MandyManners
WHAT?! You want a contrast? Compare the one speech tomorrow with RWR speech.

397 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:17:09am

Obama compares Israel to American's slave owners? I missed that one.

“Palestinians must abandon violence,” the president instructed. “Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America’s founding. . . . Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people.”

Diplomacy of Wishful Thinking

and a nice little photo of the folks who are surely going to drop their violent tenancies.

398 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:17:12am

re: #391 rightside

I was in Chinhae for two days, but didn't venture far outside the base. I bought some nice blankets and a cheap nfl football jacket. I was close to getting sent back home to retire, so had to save the money.

I had to reup to get out of Korea in 12 months, otherwise I would have had to spend 18 months there and do all my outprocessing there. As many potential bullets that I had to dodge due to my own reckless behavior 18 months would have been detrimental to my freedom.

399 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:17:39am

re: #389 soxfan4life

I would like to apologize for the terrible treatment of the German people by the US during WW2, something like that.

I think his first inclination would be to do just that, but he couldn't apologize to a bunch of Aryans, could he? On the third hand, what's the current % of muslims in Germany? Maybe they "were never a Christian nation" either and "if measured by sheer numbers are one of the largest muslim nations on earth" also.

400 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:17:40am

Later folks!

401 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:18:39am

re: #396 pingjockey

WHAT?! You want a contrast? Compare the one speech tomorrow with RWR speech.

We're going to the zoo either tomorrow or Sunday.

402 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:18:43am

tendencies.
pimf

403 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:19:54am

re: #392 Nevergiveup

We did drive along the dead sea.

404 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:19:55am

re: #397 FrogMarch

"...and a nice little photo of the folks who are surely going to drop their violent tenancies..."

I have to ask. Was that a slip of the tongue or a play on words? Their "tenancy" in Gaza has certainly been violent so far.

405 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:21:07am

re: #395 garden18

Just wanted to check in with why, as a Jew, I fear Obama. He has made a big deal about the Holocaust, visits a concentration camp, and wants you to think he has nothing but love for Jews. Such a calculating politician is he! No President has ever pressured Israel like Obama is doing now. It is convenient and easy to show respect for Jews who perished in the Holocaust. When it comes to those who are alive in Israel, that's another story.
A "two-state solution" is nothing but a step towards the final solution sought by the Nazis themselves.


For a narcissist, it's hard to consider living people--all those pesky needs!

406 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:21:28am

re: #398 soxfan4life

We instruct the S Koreans here btw.

407 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:21:58am

re: #404 Lincolntf

"...and a nice little photo of the folks who are surely going to drop their violent tenancies..."

I have to ask. Was that a slip of the tongue or a play on words? Their "tenancy" in Gaza has certainly been violent so far.

it was a bizarre typo. I meant to do that!

408 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:25:04am

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

No, and considering a 30 year love affair with middle eastern archeology, it's a damn shame, but I have promised myself to stay out of the area until the whole bunch of those governments and people get their act together.

Yes, I know, an irrational fear, as I am told over and over, but something I can't shake.

So, I do it through my archeology magazines, my playwriting and my friends (even the, yuck, far liberal democratic Jewish friends, who at least never back away from a good debate).

I'm going to Israel for a month in September. Probably will spend most of the time with my daughter in Safed, but I hope to stay a few days in Jerusalem.

409 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:25:06am

re: #192 Fenway_Nation

Sadly, we do get a steady diet of what-are-we-fighting for army bashing crap from the leftists who dominate the Canadian media, from the NDP and many in the Liberal Party, too. Don Cherry is conservative, and it is only by force of his popularity that he gets to stick his pro-military pieces into HNIC. I know for a fact there are people in the CBC who are just waiting for the day they can knife Cherry in the back and have him fired. A former girlfriend of mine did some work for Cherry a few years ago and was surprised to find he was a thoughtful, respectful, and very sweet man and not at all like the bombastic character he portrays on TV.

God bless him too.

410 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:25:18am

re: #395 garden18

Just wanted to check in with why, as a Jew, I fear Obama. He has made a big deal about the Holocaust, visits a concentration camp, and wants you to think he has nothing but love for Jews. Such a calculating politician is he! No President has ever pressured Israel like Obama is doing now. It is convenient and easy to show respect for Jews who perished in the Holocaust. When it comes to those who are alive in Israel, that's another story.
A "two-state solution" is nothing but a step towards the final solution sought by the Nazis themselves.

Considering that a 2 state solution has been US policy AND Israeli policy for many years (until Netanyahu's recent election), I think your comment is somewhat over the top.
Obama should be praised for commemorating the holocaust.

411 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:25:20am

re: #406 rightside

We instruct the S Koreans here btw.


We trained with ROK infantry over there. Saw a Sergeant Major beat the tar out of a private for saluting an officer in the field. A week later saw same private dragging a dirt parking lot with a telephone pole with a harness on his chest. They take discipline seriously.

412 rain of lead  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:25:40am

morning lizards,
this came from a friend, want to see how ya'll do
read the question but don't scroll down for the answer

> Read this question, come up with an answer and then
> scroll down to the
> bottom for the result. This is not a trick question.
> It is as it reads.
> No one I know has got it right.
>
> A woman,
> while at the funeral of her own mother, met a guy
> whom she did
> not
> know. She thought this guy was amazing. She believed
> him to be
> her
> dream guy so much, that she fell in love with him right
> there, but
> never
> asked for his number and could not find him. A few days
> later
> she
> killed her sister.
>
> Question: What is her motive for killing
> her sister?
>
> [Give this some thought before you answer, see answer
> below]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Answer:
>
> She
> was hoping the guy would appear at the funeral again.
> If you
> answered
> this correctly, you think like a psychopath. This was
> a test
> by a
> famous American Psychologist used to test if one has
> the same
> mentality
> as a killer.
>
> Many arrested serial killers took part in the test
> and
> answered the
> question correctly.
>
> If you didn't answer the question
> correctly, good for you.
>
> If you got the answer correct, please let
> me know so I can take you off
> my e-mail list...

413 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:25:48am

Homicide bomber kills 30 in a mosque in the the Swat region.

414 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:26:14am

On December 5, 1967, then-chief of staff Lt. Gen. Yitzhak Rabin suggested to prime minister Levi Eshkol that a Palestinian state be established in the West Bank. The minutes of that conversation are kept today in the state archives. Rabin had in mind a state "that would be connected to Israel."

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

A typical feel good liberal haaretz article. Everybody wanted a 2 state solution,why don't we do it? Hum?
MAYBE BECAUSE OF THIS: THE 3 NO'S

Khartoum Declaration:no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel,

But why let facts get in the way of a nice story.

415 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:26:32am

re: #403 rightside

We did drive along the dead sea.

Did you go in?

416 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:26:49am

wow. Yahoo News/the pro-Obama press is actually reporting positive news on Walmart?
Come on DNC media- you better get with it. Walmart must be vilified.

417 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:27:34am

re: #412 rain of lead

I'm a psycho.

418 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:27:48am

re: #408 Alouette

I'm going to Israel for a month in September. Probably will spend most of the time with my daughter in Safed, but I hope to stay a few days in Jerusalem.

It's beautiful in Safed. Nice breeze on a summer night.

419 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:28:34am

re: #417 MandyManners

I'm a psycho.


*backs away slowly*

420 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:28:42am

Good afternoon Lizards!

After many twists and turns, I have decided to buy a Blackberry Storm.
I actually feel good about buying a blackberry. An odd feeling.

421 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:29:41am

Al Gore May Go to N. Korea to Free American Reporters

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Was Jessie Jackson busy?

422 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:30:06am

Dow up 75 already.

423 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:30:07am

re: #418 Nevergiveup

It's beautiful in Safed. Nice breeze on a summer night.

We are staying for the entire month of Tishrei (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot and Shemini Atzeret). My daughter wanted us to come for Sukkot, but we figured, what the heck, go for all the holidays!

424 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:30:40am

re: #421 Nevergiveup

Al Gore May Go to N. Korea to Free American Reporters

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Now if NK wants to do a REAL test of Obama, they arrest him.

425 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:31:20am

re: #405 MandyManners

For a narcissist, it's hard to consider living people--all those pesky needs!

For a narcissist, important people and significant places are mere backdrops to elevate & enhance his self-regard.

426 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:31:57am

re: #420 HAL2010

Canadian technology, eh!

427 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:32:24am

Things are just getting weird...
Police find unexpected bombs, alligator

Investigators searching an Ohio consignment store for stolen goods found more than they had expected, including a 3-foot alligator.

They also discovered two homemade bombs in the building in Lockland, WLWT-TV in Cincinnati reported. The entire block around the building was evacuated Wednesday night.

Police said they also discovered $50,000 in stolen items.

428 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:32:44am

re: #419 Mithrax

*backs away slowly*

*advances more slowly*

429 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:33:14am

re: #426 Kenneth

Oh come on, vodaphone will give me a good deal!

430 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:33:51am

Good morning. I just spent my first 45 minutes at work on the ZooBorns website. It's completely addictive.

431 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:33:52am

re: #425 Kenneth

For a narcissist, important people and significant places are mere backdrops to elevate & enhance his self-regard.

Such settings let lesser folks see how magnificent the N. is.

432 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:35:55am

re: #424 Mithrax

Now if NK wants to do a REAL test of Obama, they arrest him.

Who would care?

433 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:36:07am

re: #428 MandyManners

*advances more slowly*

Niagara Falls!

434 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:36:17am

re: #380 Spenser (with an S)

How about a mixed curriculum camp with math, music and sports? It will stimulate all areas of the brain and have enough variety for fun.

435 rightside  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:37:02am

re: #415 Nevergiveup

No, we went to the water park instead!

436 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:37:32am

re: #429 HAL2010

I know a few people who work at RIM in Waterloo, Ontario. They all say it's a great place to work.

437 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:38:35am

re: #436 Kenneth

Cool. My dad worked for Ericsson for many years. If I got a Nokia he would never forgive me.

438 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:38:57am

Israelis might aid their plight if they made more noise about the present day death camp conditions in Zimbabwean prisons and similar wretched circumstance around the world.

There have been exactly too many holocausts since the cries of "never again" helped create a new nation..

439 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:39:49am

re: #433 Spare O'Lake

Niagara Falls!

Step by step, inch by inch.

440 legalpad  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:40:42am

re: #437 HAL2010

Cool. My dad worked for Ericsson for many years. If I got a Nokia he would never forgive me.

I dropped an Ericsson 8 stories one time. We put it back together and it worked fine.

441 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:40:54am

GM to sell Saturn to Roger Penske

442 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:41:26am

The Settlements Myth
By Charles Krauthammer

President Obama repeatedly insists that American foreign policy be conducted with modesty and humility. Above all, there will be no more "dictating" to other countries. We should "forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions," he told the G-20 summit. In Middle East negotiations, he told al-Arabiya, America will henceforth "start by listening, because all too often the United States starts by dictating."

An admirable sentiment. It applies to everyone — Iran, Russia, Cuba, Syria, even Venezuela. Except Israel.

RTWT!

BTW, I checked Krauthammer's bio & he was born in the US, not Canada. So he is still eligible for POTUS.

443 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:42:33am

re: #441 Creeping Eruption

At least they're not selling Uranus to Barney Frank...

444 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:42:56am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

Looks like we'll get another up day for the market...
Futures rally after U.S. jobs data

One wee tiny detail left out of that one:

"If laid-off workers who have given up looking for new jobs or have settled for part-time work are included, the unemployment rate would have been 16.4 percent in May, the highest on records dating to 1994."

That is the TRUE unemployment rate in the US, not what is being reported.

445 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:42:58am

re: #414 Nevergiveup

On December 5, 1967, then-chief of staff Lt. Gen. Yitzhak Rabin suggested to prime minister Levi Eshkol that a Palestinian state be established in the West Bank. The minutes of that conversation are kept today in the state archives. Rabin had in mind a state "that would be connected to Israel."

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

A typical feel good liberal haaretz article. Everybody wanted a 2 state solution,why don't we do it? Hum?
MAYBE BECAUSE OF THIS: THE 3 NO'S

Khartoum Declaration:no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel,

But why let facts get in the way of a nice story.

Correct.
And Arafat walked when the fools again had their chance to have their own state thanks to Clinton and Barak's folly at Camp David in 2000.

446 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:43:40am
447 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:43:40am

re: #440 legalpad

Haha, which one was it?

I remeber these huge things, the battery alone must have weighed half a kilo. Thank god for modern technology.

In the 1980's my dad had a similar phone that you can see in Leathal Weapon. It looks like a car battery with an actual phone attached to it.

448 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:44:08am

re: #443 Lincolntf

ROTFLMAO!

You're going to have to buy keyboards wholesale for that one!

449 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:44:39am

re: #441 Creeping Eruption

GM to sell Saturn to Roger Penske

Who dat?

450 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:44:53am

re: #443 Lincolntf

At least they're not selling Uranus to Barney Frank...

Better yers' than mine

451 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:45:11am

re: #442 Kenneth

It's a brilliant and spot on analysis as usual from him.

452 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:45:17am

re: #447 HAL2010

Haha, which one was it?

I remeber these huge things, the battery alone must have weighed half a kilo. Thank god for modern technology.

In the 1980's my dad had a similar phone that you can see in Leathal Weapon. It looks like a car battery with an actual phone attached to it.


The phone- in- a- bag? Those were too cool.

453 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:45:35am

re: #446 buzzsawmonkey

As long as he doesn't ask, "Where's Buchenwaldo?"

*face-palm*

454 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:45:41am

re: #444 johnnyreb

I've never understood why they limit the unemployment figures to non-farm payrolls. Is there a reason they exclude farm workers?

455 yenta-fada  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:45:41am

re: #438 Capitalist Tool

There have been many mass murders of people in all-too-recent history. I think the Jews aren't hung up on being victims. The holocaust was original in that it attempted the world-wide eradiction of an entire religious/racial group. The Americans stopped it, otherwise Jews would be down the memory hole.

456 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:46:21am

Bolton-Krauthammer
'12

457 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:46:41am

re: #449 MandyManners

Who dat?

Penske racing.

458 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:46:58am

re: #446 buzzsawmonkey

As long as he doesn't ask, "Where's Buchenwaldo?"

Doesn't he have an uncle or something that owns property there?
/

459 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:12am

re: #452 Capitalist Tool

Not sure that was its actual name, but yeah, pretty much.

460 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:17am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've never understood why they limit the unemployment figures to non-farm payrolls. Is there a reason they exclude farm workers?

Could it be because farm jobs are seasonal and migratory?

461 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:32am

Good morning y'all - from a dampish and warm (69 degrees, going all the way up to 75 degrees, with rain heavy all day again today) rainy and windy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

462 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:35am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've never understood why they limit the unemployment figures to non-farm payrolls. Is there a reason they exclude farm workers?

Seasonal workers would shift the data.

463 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:37am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've never understood why they limit the unemployment figures to non-farm payrolls. Is there a reason they exclude farm workers?

Killgore - the only reason I can think of is that farm work, by its nature, is seasonal, so there will always be unemployment of some sort.

There are also exceptions to overtime laws for farm workers, and I never understood that, either.

464 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:40am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've never understood why they limit the unemployment figures to non-farm payrolls. Is there a reason they exclude farm workers?

Just guessing because so many of them are seasonal it would screw up the stats.

465 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:45am

re: #428 MandyManners

*advances more slowly*

Well, as long as you bring cookies!

466 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:45am

re: #442 Kenneth

The Settlements Myth
By Charles Krauthammer


RTWT!

BTW, I checked Krauthammer's bio & he was born in the US, not Canada. So he is still eligible for POTUS.

well ok then, I stand corrected. I believe it was me that started that. Pardon, I "misspoke" :>)

467 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:47:53am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've never understood why they limit the unemployment figures to non-farm payrolls. Is there a reason they exclude farm workers?

I think because of the seasonal nature of their work: basically six months on, six months off. And a lot of farm workers are either undocumented aliens or legal aliens here on work visas.

Morning, everyone.

468 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:48:05am

Paulians and White Nationalists are pissed at Glenn Beck for selling them out...
Al-Qaeda's Plan to Kill Us by Crossing our Mexican Border

Glenn Beck is starting to distance himself from his own audience.

469 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:48:22am

re: #443 Lincolntf

At least they're not selling Uranus to Barney Frank...


gawd, I wouldn't want my anus anywhere near that fucker

470 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:48:24am

re: #460 MandyManners

Could it be because farm jobs are seasonal and migratory?

Ah, good point.

471 legalpad  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:49:10am

re: #447 HAL2010

Haha, which one was it?

I remeber these huge things, the battery alone must have weighed half a kilo. Thank god for modern technology.

In the 1980's my dad had a similar phone that you can see in Leathal Weapon. It looks like a car battery with an actual phone attached to it.

lol - It was a small one. I had one of the big things years before, but it wasn't Ericsson.

472 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:49:12am

re: #457 Creeping Eruption

Penske racing.

I wonder how that will affect the folks in Spring Hill, Tennessee.

473 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:49:22am

re: #463 reine.de.tout

Heh, I seem to be the only person who didn't know that one. I'm such a dummy.

474 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:49:32am

re: #455 yenta-fada

There have been many mass murders of people in all-too-recent history. I think the Jews aren't hung up on being victims. The holocaust was original in that it attempted the world-wide eradiction of an entire religious/racial group. The Americans stopped it, otherwise Jews would be down the memory hole.


When 0 speaks tomorrow look for him to give credit to the Muslims for stopping it.

475 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:49:33am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The timing of Obama's Middle East trip is a most curious thing. Why is he throwing so much effort into doing this when Israel doesn't have a partner in peace? Why is there no pressure on the Arab regimes to finally make peace with Israel - separate from what Israel does with the Palestinians? Israel is going to again be forced to make more concessions, while the Palestinians are split in two camps, one which furthers the genocidal call for Israel's destruction, while the other routinely rejects peace overtures without so much as a counter proposal.

476 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:49:44am

re: #458 Nevergiveup

Doesn't he have an uncle or something that owns property there?
/

If he does the routine about how his crazy uncle hasn't come out of the house since he liberated the camp, I'm gonna spew.

477 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:50:23am

re: #458 Nevergiveup

Doesn't he have an uncle or something that owns property there?
/


yeah, he lives in a tent

478 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:50:42am

re: #466 apachegunner

He did grow up in Canada & attended university in Montreal, so it was a natural assumption. I thought he was a Canuck too.

479 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:50:55am

re: #468 Killgore Trout

Here's what the Paulians are saying...

Do you see what is going on here?

Beck is purposely demonizing the growing liberty movement in the United States.

Millions of Americans are waking up to the fact that both political parties are owned by the bankers, that our rights are being stripped from us at blinding speed, and that most of our politicians and leaders don't even give lip service to the Constitution anymore.

In fact, these days if you talk about the Constitution too much you are likely to be labeled by authorities as someone who is likely to work with al-Qaeda.

The truth is that many civil libertarians and freedom activists are becoming increasingly alarmed by the trend towards massive political repression in the United States. Political candidates and organizations that are out of favor with the establishment are now actually being labeled as "dangerous" and as "potential terrorists" in official government reports.

480 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:50:58am

re: #461 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a dampish and warm (69 degrees, going all the way up to 75 degrees, with rain heavy all day again today) rainy and windy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?


If you look upthread some you will see that IrishRose is in need of prayer and she asked for you to email her.

481 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:51:03am

re: #469 apachegunner

gawd, I wouldn't want my anus anywhere near that fucker


Good morning guns! Say, how long did it take y'all to come up with that double hitter?! LOL!

482 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:51:16am

re: #465 Mithrax

Well, as long as you bring cookies!

Chocolate chips! Never mind the yellow bits--those are Valiu--er, ah--vanilla bits. Yeah, that's what they are. Bits of vanilla.

483 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:51:53am

re: #482 MandyManners

Chocolate chips! Never mind the yellow bits--those are Valiu--er, ah--vanilla bits. Yeah, that's what they are. Bits of vanilla.

Lol. Probably beats the muscle relaxant I'm taking.

So bring more cookies!

Everyone loves cookies!

484 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:52:01am

re: #472 MandyManners

I wonder how that will affect the folks in Spring Hill, Tennessee.

Maybe Saturn will become a street legal race-car car factory. Like a Harley brand, Buell

485 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:52:09am

Krauthammer gem:

In his much-heralded "Muslim world" address in Cairo yesterday, Obama declared that the Palestinian people's "situation" is "intolerable." Indeed it is, the result of 60 years of Palestinian leadership that gave its people corruption, tyranny, religious intolerance and forced militarization; leadership that for three generations rejected every offer of independence and dignity, choosing destitution and despair rather than accept any settlement not accompanied by the extinction of Israel.

Obama says he came to Cairo to tell the truth. But he uttered not a word of that. Instead, among all the bromides and lofty sentiments, he issued but one concrete declaration of new American policy: "The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements," thus reinforcing the myth that Palestinian misery and statelessness are the fault of Israel and the settlements.

486 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:52:20am
487 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:52:24am

This little gem on the front page of the Wichita Eagle this morning:
Roeder says he's 'being treated as a criminal'

Gee, why would they be doing that?

488 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:52:57am

On the one hand, there's spinning for the One. On the other hand, there's SPINALICOUS, SPIN-TINGLING, SPINPHORIA.

From the LA Times... "For the 'funemployed,' unemployment is welcome"

While millions of Americans struggle to find work as they face foreclosures and bankruptcy, others have found a silver lining in the economic meltdown. These happily jobless tend to be single and in their 20s and 30s. Some were laid off. Some quit voluntarily, lured by generous buyouts.

Buoyed by severance, savings, unemployment checks or their parents, the funemployed do not spend their days poring over job listings. They travel on the cheap for weeks. They head back to school or volunteer at the neighborhood soup kitchen. And at least till the bank account dries up, they're content living for today.

"I feel like I've been given a gift of time and clarity," said Aubrey Howell, 29, of Franklin, Tenn., who was laid off from her job as a tea shop manager in April. After sleeping in late and visiting family in Florida, she recently mused on Twitter: "Unemployment or funemployment?"

The rest of the article can be accessed via the link. Aren't we having fun now?!?!?

489 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:53:12am

re: #478 Kenneth
yes but, wikipedia as a reference?

490 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:53:21am

re: #482 MandyManners

Chocolate chips! Never mind the yellow bits--those are Valiu--er, ah--vanilla bits. Yeah, that's what they are. Bits of vanilla.

Well, now, that's a recipe I need to have. I think I know a few people who could be helped by such a loving batch.

491 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:53:31am

re: #487 KansasMom

This little gem on the front page of the Wichita Eagle this morning:
Roeder says he's 'being treated as a criminal'

Gee, why would they be doing that?

he's pleading innocent, claiming he was tortured and brainwashed in Yemen...should be a good one

492 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:53:33am

re: #461 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a dampish and warm (69 degrees, going all the way up to 75 degrees, with rain heavy all day again today) rainy and windy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?


*SMOOCH* I'm here :-)

493 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:54:07am

re: #478 Kenneth Hey, good morning Kenneth - he may have "grown up" in Canada, but he's OURS, eh?!

What I'd like to know is why wasn't the Queen of England at least invited to the D-Day ceremonies tomorrow? Aside from being the Queen of one of the major players in the war and at Normandy, she actually did serve in uniform during the war.

494 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:54:36am

re: #485 Kenneth

Krauthammer gem:

But just the other day Abbas said he is no rush to negotiate. He is waiting for Bibi's Gov to fall. And since the Palestinians have it OK, that's fine with him?

495 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:54:38am

re: #481 realwest

Good morning guns! Say, how long did it take y'all to come up with that double hitter?! LOL!


hiya RW, I kinda fell into it :>)

496 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:55:02am

WOW, it's another GREAT friday.

Morning all.

497 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:55:22am

re: #480 soxfan4life
Thank you.

498 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:55:33am

re: #488 Pianobuff

On the one hand, there's spinning for the One. On the other hand, there's SPINALICOUS, SPIN-TINGLING, SPINPHORIA.

From the LA Times... "For the 'funemployed,' unemployment is welcome"

While millions of Americans struggle to find work as they face foreclosures and bankruptcy, others have found a silver lining in the economic meltdown. These happily jobless tend to be single and in their 20s and 30s. Some were laid off. Some quit voluntarily, lured by generous buyouts.

Buoyed by severance, savings, unemployment checks or their parents, the funemployed do not spend their days poring over job listings. They travel on the cheap for weeks. They head back to school or volunteer at the neighborhood soup kitchen. And at least till the bank account dries up, they're content living for today.

"I feel like I've been given a gift of time and clarity," said Aubrey Howell, 29, of Franklin, Tenn., who was laid off from her job as a tea shop manager in April. After sleeping in late and visiting family in Florida, she recently mused on Twitter: "Unemployment or funemployment?"

The rest of the article can be accessed via the link. Aren't we having fun now?!?!?

I know several people who are on disability but really only can't do the jobs they were doing before. They could both get jobs in another industry (something at a desk) and they could be gainfully employed. Instead, they would rather continue on disability. I really don't get that.

499 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:55:41am

re: #491 albusteve

he's pleading innocent, claiming he was tortured and brainwashed in Yemen...should be a good one


If he were to become a prison convert to Islam the media coverage would take a turn to silence.

500 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:56:01am

re: #471 legalpad

I have had Ericsson's from about 1998. The first phone I owned couldn't sent txt messages, only recieve (and then reply to) them.

I could write an autobiography based on my history with computers and mobile phones. Would be quite a read. If you are some sort of uber-nerd.

501 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:56:02am

re: #319 Nevergiveup

Shit I got a letter from the IRS yesterday that I owe them $650 because my wife didn't give me some paperwork of hers from her games in the stock market?

Tell them you will take the Geithner solution. Just say you forgot and pay them when you a round to it.

502 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:56:10am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

That quotation is the very definition of paranoid. Chilling.

503 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:56:18am

re: #496 Dustoff-507

WOW, it's another GREAT friday.

Morning all.

Hi , and in 5 minutes it will be Saturday here :-)

504 HAL2010  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:56:58am

Its 14.56 over here in sunny (but not so warm) England.

505 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:57:05am

re: #489 apachegunner

My wife's a college prof. She often gives tests with very simple, straightforward questions (dates, names, places). Anyway, over the course of a couple semesters she noticed that a certain % of students always got the same answers wrong in the same way. Misspellings, completely wrong century, whatever. She did a couple quick searches (which alled to Wiki.) and she now calls them the "wikipedia answers" and instantly knows who is slacking on homework.

506 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:57:06am

re: #494 Nevergiveup

But just the other day Abbas said he is no rush to negotiate. He is waiting for Bibi's Gov to fall. And since the Palestinians have it OK, that's fine with him?

I about had a cow last night. I believe it was NBC News, but they were showing video of a Palestinian family in Gaza living in a tent. I just shook my head. I don't know if people really are living in tents in Gaza, but there are plenty of brick-and-mortar buildings there.

507 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:57:44am

re: #493 realwest

Hey, good morning Kenneth - he may have "grown up" in Canada, but he's OURS, eh?!

What I'd like to know is why wasn't the Queen of England at least invited to the D-Day ceremonies tomorrow? Aside from being the Queen of one of the major players in the war and at Normandy, she actually did serve in uniform during the war.


the prince will attend

508 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:57:46am

re: #491 albusteve

he's pleading innocent, claiming he was tortured and brainwashed in Yemen...should be a good one

Have they checked behind his ear for the microchip?

509 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:58:04am

re: #487 KansasMom

This little gem on the front page of the Wichita Eagle this morning:
Roeder says he's 'being treated as a criminal'

Gee, why would they be doing that?

I have a feeling this guy would score a 50 on an I.Q test.

510 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:58:08am

re: #493 realwest

Hey, good morning Kenneth - he may have "grown up" in Canada, but he's OURS, eh?!

What I'd like to know is why wasn't the Queen of England at least invited to the D-Day ceremonies tomorrow? Aside from being the Queen of one of the major players in the war and at Normandy, she actually did serve in uniform during the war.


Mornin' real-
The Queen should have been invited just because she's such a "dear" as well as all the political reasons.

511 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:58:10am

re: #503 aussiemagpie


HAHAHAHA, ok you. (-:

512 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:58:16am

re: #491 albusteve

he's pleading innocent, claiming he was tortured and brainwashed in Yemen...should be a good one

Yemen?!? What, did he go there with the Little Rock jihadi?

Oh yeah, good Friday morning all.

513 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:58:25am

re: #502 Kenneth

That quotation is the very definition of paranoid. Chilling.

except for the last sentence, why?

514 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:58:54am

re: #507 apachegunner

the prince will attend

Because she finally was invited, but refused after the huge snub. As she should.

515 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:59:23am
516 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:59:37am

re: #475 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The timing of Obama's Middle East trip is a most curious thing. Why is he throwing so much effort into doing this when Israel doesn't have a partner in peace? Why is there no pressure on the Arab regimes to finally make peace with Israel - separate from what Israel does with the Palestinians? Israel is going to again be forced to make more concessions, while the Palestinians are split in two camps, one which furthers the genocidal call for Israel's destruction, while the other routinely rejects peace overtures without so much as a counter proposal.

The timing is not really curious if you keep in mind the meme that Israelis are doing to the Jordyptians what was done to the Jews. That thought was evident in his speech yesterday with the juxtaposition of the parts of that speech about what happened to European Jewry before the creation of the State of Israel and what happened to the Jordyptians during that time and afterward.

As on Lizard pointed out yesterday, Jews had been building the future state long before a single nail was hammered at any concentration camp. So, that alone is a chip in the meme.

517 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:59:51am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Here's what the Paulians are saying...

Now it's Beck vs. the Paulians? My head hurts.

518 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:00:02am

re: #506 vxbush

I about had a cow last night. I believe it was NBC News, but they were showing video of a Palestinian family in Gaza living in a tent. I just shook my head. I don't know if people really are living in tents in Gaza, but there are plenty of brick-and-mortar buildings there.

With satellite dish for wide screen TVs also.

519 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:00:06am

re: #515 buzzsawmonkey

I think that's called "Becking off."

Thats not the pep talk he gives himself in the mirror before the show?

520 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:00:26am
521 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:00:39am

re: #498 vxbush

I know several people who are on disability but really only can't do the jobs they were doing before. They could both get jobs in another industry (something at a desk) and they could be gainfully employed. Instead, they would rather continue on disability. I really don't get that.

I have a family member who could easily work but doesn't like authority and figured out how to get SSI. Strangely, he's really secretive about it and wants everyone to keep it a secret. Gimme a break.

522 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:00:40am

Valium cookies all the way around!

523 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:01:12am

re: #514 vxbush

Because she finally was invited, but refused after the huge snub. As she should.


I just love da queen

524 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:01:15am

re: #516 MandyManners

The timing is not really curious if you keep in mind the meme that Israelis are doing to the Jordyptians what was done to the Jews. That thought was evident in his speech yesterday with the juxtaposition of the parts of that speech about what happened to European Jewry before the creation of the State of Israel and what happened to the Jordyptians during that time and afterward.

As on Lizard pointed out yesterday, Jews had been building the future state long before a single nail was hammered at any concentration camp. So, that alone is a chip in the meme.

I like the way some are putting this: that Obama is trying to play the "President Above All" line, assuming there are valid grievances on both sides and thus keeping himself above the fray. It's the easy way out that does nothing to admit where the real problem is.

525 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:01:33am

re: #518 Nevergiveup

With satellite dish for wide screen TVs also.

Ah, yes! I forgot about that. Thanks.

526 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:01:47am

Wow. Fifty posts behind already.

UNCLE!

527 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:01:50am

re: #514 vxbush

Because she finally was invited, but refused after the huge snub. As she should.


The Prince should refuse too. He wore the uniform as well and as such deserves better than being in the company of Brown, 0bama and Sarkozy. Unless he's getting a private audience with Carla Bruni.

528 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:01:55am

re: #447 HAL2010

Haha, which one was it?

I remeber these huge things, the battery alone must have weighed half a kilo. Thank god for modern technology.

In the 1980's my dad had a similar phone that you can see in Leathal Weapon. It looks like a car battery with an actual phone attached to it.

mr hightechredneck's was a bag phone. Big sucka.

529 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:01:57am

re: #522 MandyManners

Valium cookies all the way around!

woohoo! best...cookies...eve...zzz

530 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:02:14am

So Obama is saying a family member help to liberate Buchenwald.
SO which side of his family?

Didn't he also get caught before telling a lie about another camp?

531 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:02:50am

re: #480 soxfan4life
Found it and e-mailed her. Geez, how bad can things get for her?
Uh, nevermind, they could be a lot worse. I hope she'll get that e-mail and respond quickly!
THANK YOU for pointing that out to me.

532 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:02:52am

re: #503 aussiemagpie

Hi , and in 5 minutes it will be Saturday here :-)

Happy Saturday, {aussie}!

533 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:02:56am

re: #383 pingjockey

The one is going to speak at Buchenwald. Wonder what kind of crap will spew forth?

I'm trying to figure out how he will blame Bush.

534 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:03:01am

re: #529 Mithrax

woohoo! best...cookies...eve...zzz zzz

[puts blanket over Mithrax]

535 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:03:18am

re: #530 Dustoff-507

So Obama is saying a family member help to liberate Buchenwald.
SO which side of his family?

Didn't he also get caught before telling a lie about another camp?

I think it's supposed to be his great uncle.

536 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:03:36am

re: #475 lawhawk

I liked this (I can't seem to link to the original article):

The biggest problem with Obama's speech, I think, is that it was not what it purported to be: the beginning of an honest dialogue between the United States and Muslim countries. Obama promised "to speak the truth as best I can," but in fact he repeatedly went easy on the truth, preferring instead to pander to his audience.
This lack of candor was most notable in Obama's discussion of Israel and the Palestinians. . . If Obama really were to speak truth to the Muslim world, he would say that Israel ranks nowhere on the list of Muslim nations' problems. He would say that the nation of Israel could disappear tomorrow and it would make zero difference in the lives of his Egyptian audience. He would say that the Arabs' unhealthy obsession with Israel and tolerance of anti-Semitism have been obstacles to the development of Arab countries into healthy societies. He would say that the Palestinians could have had a state long ago if they had wanted one, but they preferred their role as victims--the point of the spear that is intended to drive Jews out of the Middle East.
I would add to this that the Arabs' unhealthy obsession with Israel is really of a kind with its honor culture. Just as certain Muslims engage in honor killings -- a family may kill their daughter for dishonorable behavior -- so the Arab countries cannot deal with the fact that Israel is freer, stronger, and more advanced than they are. So, they deflect this fact, by talking of the injustice, as if the Palestinians would have produced anything like Israeli society if the Israelis had never settled there.
537 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:04:00am

re: #522 MandyManners

Valium cookies all the way around!

Throw in some prozac and its a party!

538 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:04:04am

re: #519 Creeping Eruption

Thats not the pep talk he gives himself in the mirror before the show?

Do you mean the pep talk when he also practices his "emotive facial expressions" exercises... and then forgets to stop "exercising"?

539 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:04:14am

re: #534 vxbush

[puts blanket over Mithrax]

[rifles through wallet]

540 legalpad  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:04:25am

re: #500 HAL2010

If you are some sort of uber-nerd

Not. But my first computer was an IBM clone 8088 with a 5.25 " floppy drive and no hard drive, no mouse.

541 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:04:29am

I'm watching Obama at Buchenwald. Now he gave a speech in Egypt about Islam and America and never mentioned the word Terror? I wonder if in his speech he will ever mention the Word Jew?

542 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:04:36am

re: #518 Nevergiveup

With satellite dish for wide screen TVs also.

Found that quite amusing when I was in Bosnia. People would have 1 room in their house that didn't have holes in it from artillery, yet they had 4 or 5 satellite dishes hanging from the house.

543 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:04:42am

re: #526 MandyManners

Wow. Fifty posts behind already.

UNCLE!

Yeah, everybody stop posting so Mandy and I can catch up!

544 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:04:48am

re: #539 Creeping Eruption

[rifles through wallet]

If you find anything other than moths, let me know.

545 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:05:17am

re: #537 KansasMom

Throw in some prozac and its a party!

Mmmm . . . a valium and prozac cookie party. I think you will need some designated chewers after a while.

546 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:05:17am

re: #524 vxbush

I like the way some are putting this: that Obama is trying to play the "President Above All" line, assuming there are valid grievances on both sides and thus keeping himself above the fray. It's the easy way out that does nothing to admit where the real problem is.

There are valid grievances on both sides but, those on the Jordyptian side are actually with the elected government in Gaza. There's nothing the Israelis can do about it, though.

But, you're right about his desire to keep himself above the fray. It makes him look more magnificent.

547 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:05:25am
548 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:05:29am

re: #535 KenJen

I think it's supposed to be his great uncle.

Well if President Bush 1 had not wasted his time fighting in the Pacific maybe he could have saved more Jews in Europe?

549 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:05:30am

re: #493 realwest

Good morning, real

Yes, I'm quite pissed at the Queen being snubbed. The French gov't deliberately did not invite her. Meanwhile, French state-owned TV will be running an all-day special broadcast "Obama on Omaha". Sarkowzy & Obama will spend the day basking in the impressive glow of their swollen egos.

550 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:05:33am

re: #541 Nevergiveup

I'm watching Obama at Buchenwald. Now he gave a speech in Egypt about Islam and America and never mentioned the word Terror? I wonder if in his speech he will ever mention the Word Jew?

I'm not sure, but you will certainly hear him say "I", "me", "my", "mine", etc.

551 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:05:52am

FCBBHO is speaking. For once, I'm gonna' listen.

552 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:05:54am

re: #540 legalpad

Not. But my first computer was an IBM clone 8088 with a 5.25 " floppy drive and no hard drive, no mouse.

Build it yourself from Heathkit?

553 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:06:08am

re: #531 realwest

Found it and e-mailed her. Geez, how bad can things get for her?
Uh, nevermind, they could be a lot worse. I hope she'll get that e-mail and respond quickly!
THANK YOU for pointing that out to me.

No problem I went through a bad stretch myself and I know how much it helps knowing that people are thinking about you.

554 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:06:19am

re: #492 aussiemagpie
Hey {aussie} *smooch* right back atcha! How are you this fine early morning or late evening there in Oz?!

555 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:06:27am

re: #515 buzzsawmonkey

Heh.

556 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:06:32am

re: #535 KenJen

Hmmm. I wonder. Didn't he also make that claim before on a camp that the Russians liberated? OOPS.

557 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:06:34am

re: #510 Capitalist Tool

Mornin' real-
The Queen should have been invited just because she's such a "dear" as well as all the political reasons.

Her Majesty's a very nice girl
But she doesn't have a lot to say
Her Majesty's a very nice girl
But she's changing day to day
I'd really like to tell her that I love her a lot
But I gotta get a belly full of wine
Her Majesty's a very nice girl
And someday I'm gonna make her mine, oh yeah
Some day I'm gonna make her mine.

558 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:06:46am

re: #544 Mithrax

If you find anything other than moths, let me know.

*wow, thats an old condom.
/

559 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:06:55am

Is he gonna' bring up the Jordyptians?

560 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:06:59am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

I've never understood why they limit the unemployment figures to non-farm payrolls. Is there a reason they exclude farm workers?

Too hard to count and too volatile.

How do you count the offspring that work on the farm for a livelihood, but may or not be paid.

561 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:07:06am

Obama speaking at Buchenwald now ...

562 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:07:12am

Ellie?

563 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:07:14am

re: #496 Dustoff-507
Good morning my friend, how the heck are you?

564 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:07:40am

Great Uncle is on

565 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:07:42am

re: #541 Nevergiveup

I'm watching Obama at Buchenwald. Now he gave a speech in Egypt about Islam and America and never mentioned the word Terror? I wonder if in his speech he will ever mention the Word Jew?

I didn't pay attention to his speech yesterday but I'm not sure it's true that he didn't mention terrorism.

566 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:07:53am

re: #558 VegasRick

*wow, thats an old condom.
/

I just had flashes of the Blues Brothers movie when Jake is getting out of prison and they are returning the contents of his pockets.

567 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:07:58am

now were in the atic

568 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:08:08am

I will not forget...I've known about this place, hearing stories from my uncle...first to reach...little camp of Buchenwald [not verbatim]...

569 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:08:09am

re: #558 VegasRick

*wow, thats an old condom.
/

LOL. the only jokes I could make are at my own expense...so here goes.

"Yeah, it's the start of my collection"

"It reminds me of what I don't have!"

"My dad gave that to me when I was 16 and keeps asking me if I've used it yet"

570 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:08:09am

looks like he's without prompter today

571 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:08:10am

MORNING REALWEST...

You doiny well? My weather here is GREAT!

572 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:08:15am

re: #513 albusteve

except for the last sentence, why?

You mean this?

Political candidates and organizations that are out of favor with the establishment are now actually being labeled as "dangerous" and as "potential terrorists" in official government reports.

I would say that last sentence is paranoid too.

573 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:08:39am

re: #565 Killgore Trout

I didn't pay attention to his speech yesterday but I'm not sure it's true that he didn't mention terrorism.

HE NEVER USED THE WORD TERROR, TERRORISM, OR TERRORIST!

574 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:08:43am
575 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:09:14am

Tying himself to DDE.

576 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:09:15am

The one has mentioned his great uncle already...

577 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:09:25am

re: #563 realwest

I'm great... Have a short day at Boeing, then off to do some diving.
Play time with the fishies. (-:

578 legalpad  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:09:27am

re: #552 Capitalist Tool

Build it yourself from Heathkit?

No, a friend of mine built it. My spare time was thoroughly consumed supporting 4 kids.

579 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:09:46am

I watched a program last night about an extremist group that

calls their enemies killers
throws acid bombs at their enemies
rams their rivals vehicles with their vehicles, endangering life and limb,
says their intention is to bankrupt the demonized business

Because it is a leftist group - they not only have their own TV show - they were heralded on Larry King, which is where I've seen them.

Ever seen Whale Watchers

580 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:10:03am

re: #577 Dustoff-507

I'm great... Have a short day at Boeing, then off to do some diving.
Play time with the fishies. (-:

Jealous!

581 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:10:16am

re: #540 legalpad

Not. But my first computer was an IBM clone 8088 with a 5.25 " floppy drive and no hard drive, no mouse.

My first one was a Texas instruments TI 64. What a fine piece of machinery that was! Nice cassette tape drive and IIRC 2K memory expandable to 10K.

582 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:10:22am

re: #570 _RememberTonyC


"NEVER" (-:

583 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:10:30am

re: #501 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood! How are you doing - have a fun Anniversary dinner or whatever last night?!
And don't give him that advice!
Nevergiveup 3 wood's advice will ONLY work if y'all apply for a job with the Administration, but then they'll at least drop any penalties and interest and let you pay it off at the rate of, oh, $1.50 a month or so!

584 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:10:31am
585 yenta-fada  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:10:45am

re: #517 Ward Cleaver

Speaking of the Paulians, here's a new face on the political scene:
SON OF PAUL

[Link: www.randpaul2010.com...]

586 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:10:50am

re: #569 Mithrax

LOL. the only jokes I could make are at my own expense...so here goes.

"Yeah, it's the start of my collection"

"It reminds me of what I don't have!"

"My dad gave that to me when I was 16 and keeps asking me if I've used it yet"

587 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:10:50am

I'll give one of Mandy's valium-chocolatechip cookies to someone if they want to fold my laundry!

588 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:11:07am

re: #580 KansasMom


(-: Maybe find a few crabs for dinner too.

589 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:11:11am

re: #575 MandyManners

Tying himself to DDE.

When did he start traveling with a bobble- head doll sewn to his rt. shoulder?

590 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:11:13am

re: #583 realwest

Good morning 3 wood! How are you doing - have a fun Anniversary dinner or whatever last night?!
And don't give him that advice!
Nevergiveup 3 wood's advice will ONLY work if y'all apply for a job with the Administration, but then they'll at least drop any penalties and interest and let you pay it off at the rate of, oh, $1.50 a month or so!

I work for the government part time ( Navy )?

591 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:11:15am

re: #556 Dustoff-507

Hmmm. I wonder. Didn't he also make that claim before on a camp that the Russians liberated? OOPS.

His great uncle got around.

592 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:11:21am

re: #511 Dustoff-507

HAHAHAHA, ok you. (-:

It's Saturday and we have a long weekend now :-)

The highlight of winter! (I must get a life soon...)

593 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:11:26am

When did he get a copy of this text?

594 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:11:49am

re: #584 buzzsawmonkey

Well, I've known one or two chubby chasers in my day...

heh.

595 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:11:54am

re: #581 JohnnyReb

My first one was a Texas instruments TI 64. What a fine piece of machinery that was! Nice cassette tape drive and IIRC 2K memory expandable to 10K.

I had the TI 99-4a myself. I too had the cassette tape drive and the voice synthesizer. I was jealous of my brothers lightening quick Commadore Vic 20.

596 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:12:02am

re: #582 Dustoff-507

"NEVER" (-:


I like him better without the prompter ... he seems more real when he has to look down at the script.

597 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:12:46am

re: #590 Nevergiveup

work for the government part time ( Navy )?
+++++++++++++

Say what? I was told you swabies never worked? (-:

598 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:12:49am

re: #507 apachegunner
I know the Prince will attend, but I thought it RUDE AS HELL for them not to invite the Queen of England (and as I understand it, the Prince wasn't invited, just announced that he would be going.).

599 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:13:16am

re: #588 Dustoff-507

(-: Maybe find a few crabs for dinner too.

Oh sure, rub it in. Now I'm gonna have to grill one of my last venison fillets tonight, just to make me feel better.

(Have fun!)

600 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:13:18am

He's tying himself to the children who were rescued.

601 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:13:31am

SEriously - why do these eco-terrorists get their own show - and why are they celebrated as heroes? They even admit that the Japanese are eating the whales - it isn't sport fishing - and the japanese don't have near the obesity rate that we do - maybe the answer is to start feeding US kids whale through the free lunch program!

602 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:13:48am

re: #596 _RememberTonyC

he seems more real when he has to look down at the script.

Real? LOL

I'll keep that in mind

603 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:13:54am

re: #598 realwest

I know the Prince will attend, but I thought it RUDE AS HELL for them not to invite the Queen of England (and as I understand it, the Prince wasn't invited, just announced that he would be going.).

The Queen being the only ruling Monarch who actually served!

604 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:13:56am

re: #565 Killgore Trout

I didn't pay attention to his speech yesterday but I'm not sure it's true that he didn't mention terrorism.

Maybe you should acquaint yourself with the facts then before opining on it:

Full text here:

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON A NEW BEGINNING t

No use of the words "terror", "terrorism" or "terrorist" anywhere in it.

605 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:14:16am
606 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:14:30am

re: #570 _RememberTonyC

looks like he's without prompter today

Ummm... Hmmm... I... ummm...me...ummm

607 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:14:30am

re: #599 KansasMom


Hey now, that hurts. bet it tastes good too. (-:

608 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:14:40am

re: #598 realwest

Hey, {real}! Happy Friday, not that that means anything to a retiree like you.
;-)

609 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:14:47am

Obama usually speaks well, but this speech is just ramblings.

610 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:14:52am

re: #601 DistantThunder

SEriously - why do these eco-terrorists get their own show - and why are they celebrated as heroes? They even admit that the Japanese are eating the whales - it isn't sport fishing - and the japanese don't have near the obesity rate that we do - maybe the answer is to start feeding US kids whale through the free lunch program!

The previews for that show p*ss me off too. Reality TV run amok...this is just reckless.

611 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:01am

Mornin' everyone. Rain sucks.

612 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:19am

re: #598 realwest

I know the Prince will attend, but I thought it RUDE AS HELL for them not to invite the Queen of England (and as I understand it, the Prince wasn't invited, just announced that he would be going.).

HI REalwest. Merkel is upset, Sarkozy has just been dissed for dinner, and the Queen is PO'd. Obama doesn't care. These are the colonialists after all.

613 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:22am

re: #604 Kenneth

Maybe you should acquaint yourself with the facts then before opining on it:

Full text here:

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON A NEW BEGINNING t

No use of the words "terror", "terrorism" or "terrorist" anywhere in it.

Why should KT let the facts get in the way of his love for Obama?

614 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:24am

re: #585 yenta-fada

Speaking of the Paulians, here's a new face on the political scene:
SON OF PAUL

There are a few new Paulian candidates (about 4 or 5). The Paulians are already talking about running Rand Paul in 2012. I also noticed that Glenn Beck's 9-12 project has started a list of candidates to endorse. It's looking increasingly possible that they can "Paulify" the GOP.

615 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:28am

re: #539 Creeping Eruption

[rifles through wallet]

[slaps creeping's hand strongly]

616 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:28am

re: #609 Nevergiveup

Obama usually speaks well, but this speech is just ramblings.


Is the teleprompter on strike today?

617 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:33am

re: #602 Dustoff-507

he seems more real when he has to look down at the script.

Real? LOL

I'll keep that in mind


from the standpoint that we KNOW he hasn't memorized entire speeches. so it's OK to "read" a speech. and considering the occasion and location, the frequent looks down add a certain something to the delivery.

618 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:33am

re: #600 MandyManners

He's tying himself to the children who were rescued.

Wasn't he, like only 8 years old when that happened?
/

619 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:34am

re: #611 Mad Al-Jaffee

Mornin' everyone. Rain sucks.

When the rain comes, might as well be dead...

620 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:35am
621 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:15:58am

re: #600 MandyManners

It's nice how he is able to work a brief mention of US troops into what is typically a speech about himself!

622 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:16:19am

re: #527 soxfan4life
Nah, even if they didn't want to go, the Royals must go, for all the Englishmen and commonwealth soldiers who died on D-Day. And I'm quite certain that she would like to go herself - it may be that her health is such that she couldn't accompany the Prince.

623 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:16:33am

re: #609 Nevergiveup

Obama usually speaks well, but this speech is just ramblings.

Thank you for the suggestion. Led Zeppelin shall serenade my office this morning, starting with Ramble On in honor of TOTUS's much deserved day off.

624 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:16:42am

re: #554 realwest

Hey {aussie} *smooch* right back atcha! How are you this fine early morning or late evening there in Oz?!

Hi darls, it's after midnight and I'm watching a replay of the footy, having a nice chardy and all warm and cosy inside on a winter evening :-)

I hope you're doing well too! Thanks for your email too, much appreciated!

625 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:16:45am

re: #605 buzzsawmonkey

You mean the Kindertransports? Which the British accepted, and the US refused to accept?

No. Those who were in Buchenwald.

626 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:17:01am

re: #609 Nevergiveup

Obama usually speaks well, but this speech is just ramblings.

They're not calling it a speach today; it's "remarks".

627 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:17:30am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

There are a few new Paulian candidates (about 4 or 5). The Paulians are already talking about running Rand Paul in 2012. I also noticed that Glenn Beck's 9-12 project has started a list of candidates to endorse. It's looking increasingly possible that they can "Paulify" the GOP.

Only in your mind KT, nowhere else.

628 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:17:47am

Elie Wiesel ... bless his heart ...

629 legalpad  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:17:47am

re: #581 JohnnyReb

It's quite an experience to have seen and remember all the changes. What's next should be even more interesting.

630 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:17:52am

re: #626 redstateredneck

They're not calling it a speach today; it's "remarks".

Well his remarks sucked. Look I don't like the guy, but he can speak. This one sucked. I guess his "heart" wasn't into it?

631 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:17:55am

re: #610 KansasMom

The previews for that show p*ss me off too. Reality TV run amok...this is just reckless.

I like the shot of the woman curled up in a fetal position when the Japanese kill a whale. Think they have that much empathy for a sentient fetus?

I do not let my children watch something so uncivilized. It's piracy and anarchy.

632 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:18:04am

Why were Merkel and Wiesel able to memorize a speech but, FCBBHO was not?

633 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:18:10am

re: #613 Nevergiveup

Why should KT let the facts get in the way of his love for Obama?

A lot of people yesterday had a hard time understanding his speech. I'm just saying that there's a lot of misinformation out there. I really couldn't care less about his dopey speech in Cairo.
It's a shame that supporting our president has become a slur around here.

634 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:18:26am

re: #581 JohnnyReb

My first one was a Texas instruments TI 64. What a fine piece of machinery that was! Nice cassette tape drive and IIRC 2K memory expandable to 10K.

The first computer I ever used was in high school was an IBM 1130 which was the size and shape of a desk, had 4K 16 bit words (8K bytes), a 1 MB hard drive, a card reader/punch, a modified Selectric typewriter built in.

The first one I owned was a Commode-door Pet, 8K bytes and cassette tape which broke and erased everything I wrote.

Later I moved to an Apple ][, 48K bytes, 140K floppy.

635 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:18:27am

You know, I just realized one of the few benefits of living on your own: nobody complains when you have chili.

636 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:18:56am

re: #624 aussiemagpie
Hi darls, it's after midnight and I'm watching a replay of the footy, having a nice chardy and all warm and cosy inside on a winter evening :-)
+++++++++++++

Damn... I need to get a plane ticket right now...
Save a glass for me. (-"

637 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:18:59am

re: #530 Dustoff-507
I think it was his great uncle and President Obama simply mis-spoke when he said "Aushwitz" which of course was liberated by the Red Army.
Or did he, hmmm...
.
.
.
.
food for conspiracy buffs out there!

638 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:18:59am

re: #633 Killgore Trout

A lot of people yesterday had a hard time understanding his speech. I'm just saying that there's a lot of misinformation out there. I really couldn't care less about his dopey speech in Cairo.
It's a shame that supporting our president has become a slur around here.

Support him all you want, but get your facts straight first.

639 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:19:02am

re: #626 redstateredneck

speach


Gahhh!

640 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:19:03am

re: #630 Nevergiveup

Well his remarks sucked. Look I don't like the guy, but he can speak. This one sucked. I guess his "heart" wasn't into it?


It wasn't about him and it wasn't an occasion to give a campaign speech.

641 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:19:10am

re: #628 _RememberTonyC

Elie Wiesel ... bless his heart ...

Yes. Nice to see a "real person" speaking instead BS.

642 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:19:12am

re: #589 Capitalist Tool

When did he start traveling with a bobble- head doll sewn to his rt. shoulder?

Son of Zaphod Beeblebrox?

643 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:19:36am

re: #630 Nevergiveup

Well his remarks sucked. Look I don't like the guy, but he can speak. This one sucked. I guess his "heart" wasn't into it?

No doubt.

644 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:19:53am

re: #605 buzzsawmonkey

Tangent (semi-related to the kindertransports)
Have you (or anyone here) ever read Michael Chabon's The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay? I always try to remember to recommend it when something jogs my memory. Consider it recommended.
Tangent over.

645 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:03am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Thought you'd appreciate today's cartoon in the TIMES/London!

646 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:07am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

There are a few new Paulian candidates (about 4 or 5). The Paulians are already talking about running Rand Paul in 2012. I also noticed that Glenn Beck's 9-12 project has started a list of candidates to endorse. It's looking increasingly possible that they can "Paulify" the GOP.

I saw Rand Paul interviewed a few weeks ago and he said he was getting into the current race because the current congressman was refusing to make a firm commitment as to whether he was seeking re-election or not. It didn't sound like RAnd was all that interested in political office per se. I'd never heard of him.

647 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:11am

re: #616 soxfan4life

Is the teleprompter on strike today?

Maybe it doesn't have the correct outlet plug for Europe.

648 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:22am

re: #635 Mithrax

nobody complains when you have chili

Ahhh, have you spoken to the dog yet. 0-:

649 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:22am
650 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:31am
651 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:53am

re: #601 DistantThunder

SEriously - why do these eco-terrorists get their own show - and why are they celebrated as heroes? They even admit that the Japanese are eating the whales - it isn't sport fishing - and the japanese don't have near the obesity rate that we do - maybe the answer is to start feeding US kids whale through the free lunch program!

Apparently the whales are endangered and it is illegal to hunt them down there.
The Jap whalerss are poaching and trying to hide behind claims that they are conducting research.
Save the whales!
[Link: www.ens-newswire.com...]

652 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:56am

re: #647 CommonCents

Maybe it doesn't have the correct outlet plug for Europe.

Well ya know Merkel doesn't like him.

653 vxbush  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:20:58am

re: #622 realwest

Nah, even if they didn't want to go, the Royals must go, for all the Englishmen and commonwealth soldiers who died on D-Day. And I'm quite certain that she would like to go herself - it may be that her health is such that she couldn't accompany the Prince.

My understanding is that she did finally receive an invitation from Sarkozy because Obama told him to invite her--but the Queen, being rightfully miffed, is sending Charles instead.

654 yenta-fada  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:21:01am

I'm glad the lizards are keeping tabs on Obama's 'remarks'. I can't look at his constant autobiography in front of world landmarks anymore. (That includes the White House)

655 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:21:10am

re: #637 realwest


Like Biden... one gaff after another. LOL

656 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:21:11am

re: #632 MandyManners

Why were Merkel and Wiesel able to memorize a speech but, FCBBHO was not?

Re-education Camp for you MM. I see we have an opening at Camp FreeThought.

657 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:21:14am

re: #630 Nevergiveup

Well his remarks sucked. Look I don't like the guy, but he can speak. This one sucked. I guess his "heart" wasn't into it?

From CNN...

"Before his visit, Obama spoke emotionally about his great-uncle's role in liberating the concentration camp, noting that "it was a memory burned in him for quite some time.""

Isn't this the the same "memory" that misspoke the who incident during the presidential campaign? If I'm correct, then I call bullshit.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

658 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:21:27am

re: #645 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Thought you'd appreciate today's cartoon in the TIMES/London!

Ouch! Now that is gonna leave a mark.

659 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #645 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Thought you'd appreciate today's cartoon in the TIMES/London!

Very good.

660 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:21:46am

re: #652 Nevergiveup

Well ya know Merkel doesn't like him.

She isn't alone.

661 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:21:54am

re: #646 DistantThunder

I have no idea if he's even likely to win his race but it's something to keep an eye on. The last thing the GOP needs is more Paulian isolationists and "Gold Standard" quacks.

662 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:00am

re: #636 Dustoff-507

Hi darls, it's after midnight and I'm watching a replay of the footy, having a nice chardy and all warm and cosy inside on a winter evening :-)
++++++++++ +++

Damn... I need to get a plane ticket right now...
Save a glass for me. (-"

Yes I can save that last little bit in the bottle for you of course! And there are more bottles of lovely Aussie chardy in the wine rack waiting to be opened :-)

663 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:06am

Wiesel just said that the first globalization experiment was in Buchenwald.

664 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:08am

re: #633 Killgore Trout

A lot of people yesterday had a hard time understanding his speech. I'm just saying that there's a lot of misinformation out there. I really couldn't care less about his dopey speech in Cairo.
It's a shame that supporting our president has become a slur around here.

You had no problem being critical with Bush when needed, why the change in heart?

665 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:17am

re: #652 Nevergiveup

Well ya know Merkel doesn't like him.

Maybe if he rubbed her shoulders that would loosen her up a bit.
/

666 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:19am

re: #624 aussiemagpie

Hi darls, it's after midnight and I'm watching a replay of the footy, having a nice chardy and all warm and cosy inside on a winter evening :-)

I hope you're doing well too! Thanks for your email too, much appreciated!

Hiya, {aussiemagpie}!
How nice to seeya!

Did you watch the Lions game on Wednesday?
Second highest win in SA, for the Lions, 74 - 10 ...
And man of the match was our Cardiff youngster, Jamie Roberts (No 12), who is only 22, and who clashed head with your captain last autumn ...

667 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:21am

re: #644 Lincolntf

I have. Great book! I've also read The Yiddish Policeman's Union. Apparently the Coen Brothers are going to adapt it for a movie.

668 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:27am

re: #653 vxbush

My understanding is that she did finally receive an invitation from Sarkozy because Obama told him to invite her--but the Queen, being rightfully miffed, is sending Charles instead.

Whatever else the Queen does or did, she has my respect for how she represented her Country during WW2 as a Princess.

669 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:29am

re: #637 realwest

Obama did not just mention Auschwitz in an off the cuff remark. It was in a prepared speech and it was also in the official biography on his campaign website for several months before it was corrected. Clearly Obama thought it was Auschwitz and had no historical knowledge sufficient to correct himself.

670 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:22:48am

re: #651 Spare O'Lake

Apparently the whales are endangered and it is illegal to hunt them down there.
The Jap whalerss are poaching and trying to hide behind claims that they are conducting research.
Save the whales!
[Link: www.ens-newswire.com...]

So who deputized them as law enforcement? And throwing acid bombs? and ramming their ships? It's psycho - and assault.

671 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:23:05am

re: #648 Dustoff-507

nobody complains when you have chili

Ahhh, have you spoken to the dog yet. 0-:

I vote rotating title "You know you are at peace when..."

nobody complains when you have chili

672 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:23:19am

That short man's stature towers above FCBBHO.

673 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:23:22am

re: #632 MandyManners

Why were Merkel and Wiesel able to memorize a speech but, FCBBHO was not?

Old-fashioned education?
Like, having to learn stacks of poems by heart?

674 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:23:33am

re: #662 aussiemagpie


LOL... DAMN! where is my credit card and that stupid phone number to the airlines.

675 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:24:01am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

From CNN...

"Before his visit, Obama spoke emotionally about his great-uncle's role in liberating the concentration camp, noting that "it was a memory burned in him for quite some time.""

Isn't this the the same "memory" that misspoke the who incident during the presidential campaign? If I'm correct, then I call bullshit.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

He had the name of the camp wrong, but the story he told was otherwise accurate.

676 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:24:11am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

From CNN...

"Before his visit, Obama spoke emotionally about his great-uncle's role in liberating the concentration camp, noting that "it was a memory burned in him for quite some time.""

Isn't this the the same "memory" that misspoke the who incident during the presidential campaign? If I'm correct, then I call bullshit.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Heck, yes, and I don't think Obama has any relationship with this uncle at all. The uncle said Obama doing it for purely political reasons. Mon deu.

677 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:24:12am

re: #671 VegasRick

LOL... nice one

678 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:24:14am
679 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:24:15am

Buchenwald, Germany. Camp survivor speaking. When released, he was hopeful. Now, not so sure. "Will the world ever learn?" Those on the platform are uncomfortable. Clearing throats, swaying one foot to the other. Pleading with the pres. of our US of A to stop hatred.

Well, if you worship him, you would ask for such a thing. Can't happen, won't happen. So sad.

680 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:24:32am

re: #632 MandyManners

Why were Merkel and Wiesel able to memorize a speech but, FCBBHO was not?

After memorizing the Koran there weren't enough brain cells left.
///

681 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:25:03am

re: #600 MandyManners

He's tying himself to the children who were rescued.

re: #670 DistantThunder

So who deputized them as law enforcement? And throwing acid bombs? and ramming their ships? It's psycho - and assault.

Oh, stop blubbering.

682 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:25:08am

re: #672 MandyManners

That short man's stature towers above FCBBHO.


certainly true. But I am glad to see BHO reinforce his words from yesterday about Holocaust denial with a trip to one of the scenes of the crime.

683 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:25:12am

re: #669 Kenneth


Yep, when it comes to lies. Obama is in a world of his own!

684 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:25:17am

re: #654 yenta-fada

Did you see the clip of Obama in some pyramid with that ubiquitous guy in charge of Egyptian Antiquities? Big O looks at a carving in the stone inside a pyramid and says "Hey, that looks like me, look at those ears!".

It's a tomb, dumbass, can you turn off the attention demanding "boyish charm" for half a second? Fucking twit.

685 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:25:24am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

From CNN...

"Before his visit, Obama spoke emotionally about his great-uncle's role in liberating the concentration camp, noting that "it was a memory burned in him for quite some time.""

Isn't this the the same "memory" that misspoke the who incident during the presidential campaign? If I'm correct, then I call bullshit.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Yep - thats the one who actually liberated Auschwitz, according to PB0's election campaign speech, and who hid in an attic for the rest of his life ...

686 yenta-fada  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:25:37am

re: #644 Lincolntf

I loved Michael Chabon's "The Yiddish Policemans Union". More concise writing style.
Alternate history of European Jews escaping to Alaska in the 40's, thereby earning the nickname of the "Frozen Chosen". And now, back to our regularly scheduled debates.

687 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:25:50am

re: #675 JustMyView

He had the name of the camp wrong, but the story he told was otherwise accurate.

Minor detail.
/idiot

688 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:25:50am

re: #549 Kenneth Hey Kenneth - yeah I'm VERY PISSED off about it. Damn Obama wasn't even born yet when D-day occurred.
He has NO IDEA of the sacrifices and bravery displayed by those ALLIED forces that - along the way to killing off Hitler also helped to, ya know, FREE FRANCE.
MOFO's.

689 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:26:00am

re: #680 CommonCents

After memorizing the Koran there weren't enough brain cells left.
///

Not just the Koran but, the Holy Koran.

690 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:26:06am

re: #633 Killgore Trout

A lot of people yesterday had a hard time understanding his speech. I'm just saying that there's a lot of misinformation out there. I really couldn't care less about his dopey speech in Cairo.
It's a shame that supporting our president has become a slur around here.

the greater shame by far is that he is actually our president...he's a fraud

691 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:26:22am

re: #675 JustMyView

He had the name of the camp wrong, but the story he told was otherwise accurate.

That's sort of a disconnect there, isn't it? The story was "otherwise accurate." No, I don't want to break your bubble, but if he got the name wrong, then the story was not accurate.

Why is that so hard to understand?

692 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:26:26am

re: #484 Creeping Eruption

I think Saturn is well positioned to make a run at Chevy and the Honda and Toyota in the midsize sedan category, and an infusion of racing technology and innovation will help greatly. I think it's a big win for Penske, but not without risk.

693 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:26:29am

re: #676 DistantThunder

Heck, yes, and I don't think Obama has any relationship with this uncle at all. The uncle said Obama doing it for purely political reasons. Mon deu

When doesn't he? (-:

694 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:26:35am

The Dow is now down 45 points as investors are dumping health care and energy stocks.


10 year Treasuries are now up to 3.77% as inflation continues to inch up.

Intense job destruction moderates in May
Unemployment rate jumps to 9.4%, the highest in 26 years


While the payroll loss was much better than expected and hinted at some improvement in the economy, the U.S. unemployment rate jumped to a 26-year high of 9.4% in May as the number of jobless Americans rose by 787,000 to 14.5 million.

Understand that the "payroll" number is from a survey of certain business sites and is subject to inaccuracy for various reasons.

However, a separate survey of households showed unemployment increased more than expected. Hourly wage growth was tepid, the average workweek dropped to an all-time low, and long-term employment surged -- all factors that should keep consumer spending down and bad debts up.

Unemployment rose by 787,000 in the month to 14.5 million, pushing the jobless rate from 8.9% to 9.4% -- the highest level since August 1983. The jobless rate has increased five percentage points from its low in the biggest increase since the Great Depression.

So far, I see little evidence that the stimulus package is having a positive impact.

By the way, I posted a piece at #228 very early about how Barney Frank used influence to keep at least one car dealer open. Just think about the implications of that move.

695 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:26:43am

re: #682 _RememberTonyC

certainly true. But I am glad to see BHO reinforce his words from yesterday about Holocaust denial with a trip to one of the scenes of the crime.

Yes, that was heartening.

696 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:27:26am

re: #667 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yup, I also read Yiddish P.U. Unique writing style. Very well-researched and subtly iconoclastic. Can't praise him enough.

697 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:27:27am

re: #553 soxfan4life
Well we all go through bad patches in our lives. Mine started on July 2, 2005 and is still ongoing. Don't know what's up, no reply from her yet.

698 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:27:39am

Ask the car dealers if it can happen...first they came for the bankers, and I said nothing; then they came for the car dealers, and I said nothing - metaphorically speaking of course...

699 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:27:54am

re: #675 JustMyView


He had the name of the camp wrong, but the story he told was otherwise accurate.

Yeah, just like many of his other gaff's too.

sorry doesn't work for me.

700 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:27:56am

re: #687 VegasRick

Minor detail.
/idiot

Are you sure that all the details of your family stories are accurate?

701 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:27:58am

re: #681 Spare O'Lake

Oh, stop blubbering.

Who's spouting off now?

702 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:28:00am

re: #681 Spare O'Lake

re: #670 DistantThunder

So who deputized them as law enforcement? And throwing acid bombs? and ramming their ships? It's psycho - and assault.



Oh, stop blubbering.

703 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:28:09am

re: #681 Spare O'Lake

Oh, stop blubbering.

I'm just spouting off.

704 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:28:46am

Barack and Michelle Obama decline dinner with the Sarkozys

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Boy everyone has their panties in a knot today.

705 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:29:35am

re: #700 JustMyView

Are you sure that all the details of your family stories are accurate?

Aww, minor inaccuracies ... like changing Auschwitz for Buchenwald - who cares, it'll all come out in the wash, right?

///

706 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:29:35am

re: #675 JustMyView

He had the name of the camp wrong, but the story he told was otherwise accurate.

It is telling that the official biography on Obama's campaign website included the same error. If Obama is a "student of history" as he described himself in Cairo yesterday, he would have known about some basic facts about Auschwitz. As a narcissist, Obama habitually uses people, places and events as they suit his needs to aggrandize himself: Well if Auchwitz was the most infamous extermination camp, then that must be the one my great-uncle liberated.

707 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:29:41am

re: #688 realwest

Hey Kenneth - yeah I'm VERY PISSED off about it
___

Remember buddy, it's all about Obama. jezzz! )-:

708 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:29:41am

re: #694 3 wood

The sector breakdown on the jobs number showed increases in Healthcare, Education, and Entertainment. Strange that healthcare would be getting dumped when it appeared the strongest sector.

709 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:29:49am

re: #701 Kosh's Shadow

Who's spouting off now?

It was just a fluke that I watched the show.

710 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:30:10am

re: #661 Killgore Trout

I have no idea if he's even likely to win his race but it's something to keep an eye on. The last thing the GOP needs is more Paulian isolationists and "Gold Standard" quacks.

I've been following your comments and am just wondering why you are so concerned for the welfare of the GOP. It doesn't appear that you support a lot of R or Con positions so it would seem to be to your advantage to just sit back and watch any discord from an approving position. What motivates you to want to help the R's out? It's a sincere question.

711 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:30:26am
"We would like to ask Cairo: What is this iron curtain that Abdel Nasser and his cohorts have lowered around Gaza and the refugees there? These are the very methods which the dictator Hitler used in the countries he occupied. Imagine, Arabs, how Nasser (who claims to be the pioneer of Arab nationalism) treats the Arab people of Gaza, who starve while the Egyptian governor and his officers bask in the wealth of the Strip..."

Radio Mecca
March 10, 1962

712 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:30:36am

re: #700 JustMyView

Are you sure that all the details of your family stories are accurate?

I would before I went public with them

713 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:30:44am

re: #704 Nevergiveup

Barack and Michelle Obama decline dinner with the Sarkozys

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Boy everyone has their panties in a knot today.


maybe the WAB didn't want to be photographed with Carla B. Sarkozy. then she'd only be the second best looking woman in the photo ...

714 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:30:48am

re: #583 realwest

Good morning 3 wood! How are you doing - have a fun Anniversary dinner or whatever last night?!

Yes sir! We went out to an Irish pub for a nice dinner (I had potato soup and fish/chips) and then watched the Great Gatsby (70's one with Robert Redford)

Fitzgerald is one of my favorite authors.

How are you and Mom doing?

Feeling confident to know that Barney Frank is helping decide which dealers close?

715 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:02am

So, how's that economic recovery working out? Seems that the unemployment rates are far higher than what the Administration was promising with its porkfest aka stimulus package that was backloaded to the extreme and did little to encourage employment.

Want proof? Here's the proof. The red dots are the actual numbers. The solid lines are what the Administration promised would be the rates both with and without the porkfest.

Yeah, they really nailed that one. And by blowing those figures, they're blowing the budget assumptions going forward as well since every person who is unemployed is a further drain on resources, rather than sending in taxes via withholding and that means there's less money available to borrow against.

716 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:04am

re: #711 Ben Hur

Radio Mecca
March 10, 1962

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

717 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:11am

re: #700 JustMyView

Are you sure that all the details of your family stories are accurate?

We don't make shit up to try and look more impressive, so yes I'd say the details of my family stories are accurate. (some WE don't even talk about)

718 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:18am

re: #684 Lincolntf

"Me, me, me, me, me, me, me..."

719 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:23am

re: #704 Nevergiveup

Barack and Michelle Obama decline dinner with the Sarkozys

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Boy everyone has their panties in a knot today.

Wanna bet WAB said she didn't want to see Carla again, evah, or else?

720 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:30am

re: #706 Kenneth


Bingo... One lie after another.

721 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:43am

re: #711 Ben Hur

Radio Mecca
March 10, 1962

nice snag

722 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:50am

re: #571 Dustoff-507
Hey my friend, other than being over 100 posts behind and damp and joints aching, I'm doing ok - how are y'all doing today?

723 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:31:51am

This is when the rest of the family, namely the enamored sibilings, start to notice that the tattoo covered ex-con romancing their daughter, might not be the great match they had hoped. Mom and Dad have been hoping the relationship would fail.

Sounds like a far Side cartoon.

724 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:32:34am

re: #708 CommonCents

The sector breakdown on the jobs number showed increases in Healthcare, Education, and Entertainment. Strange that healthcare would be getting dumped when it appeared the strongest sector.

They know what will happen to the healthcare industry under Obamacare.

725 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:32:36am

re: #711 Ben Hur

Radio Mecca
March 10, 1962

5 years and 3 months before the so called "occupation" by Israel.

726 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:32:59am

re: #628 _RememberTonyC

Elie Wiesel ... bless his heart ...


He just showed BO how to make a speech.

727 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:33:17am

re: #712 Nevergiveup

I would before I went public with them

And try to boast about it.

728 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:33:18am

re: #713 _RememberTonyC

maybe the WAB didn't want to be photographed with Carla B. Sarkozy. then she'd only be the second best looking woman in the photo ...

I think the Pres. had mentioned that BO was naive or something. BO holds grudges.

729 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:33:19am

re: #692 lawhawk

I think Saturn is well positioned to make a run at Chevy and the Honda and Toyota in the midsize sedan category, and an infusion of racing technology and innovation will help greatly. I think it's a big win for Penske, but not without risk.

A 400 H.P. Saturn?

730 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:33:30am

re: #576 Pianobuff

The one has mentioned his great uncle already...


ALREADY? Crap, now he's outta material!

731 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:33:43am

re: #694 3 wood

The Dow is now down 45 points as investors are dumping health care and energy stocks.


10 year Treasuries are now up to 3.77% as inflation continues to inch up.

Intense job destruction moderates in May
Unemployment rate jumps to 9.4%, the highest in 26 years


So far, I see little evidence that the stimulus package is having a positive impact.

By the way, I posted a piece at #228 very early about how Barney Frank used influence to keep at least one car dealer open. Just think about the implications of that move.


There was a very nice article in my local LLL paper yesterday. It appears that the state of Connecticut has not spent one dime of all that shovel ready stimulus money we are supposed to get. In fact there will not be one single "shovel ready" project that will get funding before November of this year. And that is only one tiny project of less than a million dollars. Here in my town we have a bridge that was destroyed by heavy rains two years ago. That project was ready to go just waiting for some dollars. The mayor got it to the state level as #6 project for the stimulus money. Well that bridge is still closed and the detour is still there. The mayor is pissed. They are telling him next year for the bucks.

The vast majority of all the money that CT will receive will not even begin to be spent until Jan-Mar 2010. What a fricken surprise eh?

732 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:33:53am

re: #646 DistantThunder

I saw Rand Paul interviewed a few weeks ago and he said he was getting into the current race because the current congressman was refusing to make a firm commitment as to whether he was seeking re-election or not. It didn't sound like RAnd was all that interested in political office per se. I'd never heard of him.

He wants to run for Jim Bunnings U.S. senate seat here in KY. He has said he would not run if Bunning decides to go up for re-election.

733 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:33:55am
734 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:34:10am

re: #730 realwest

ALREADY? Crap, now he's outta material!

He'll make himself the hero of WWII - just watch.

735 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:34:26am

re: #722 realwest


Damn, sorry to hear that buddy. Take two asprins and call me in the morning. (-:

I'm doing great my friend. Life is good, we finally have warm days.

736 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:34:28am

re: #700 JustMyView

Are you sure that all the details of your family stories are accurate?

If I were a candidate for the presidency, I'd make darn sure they were factual before I used them to aggrandize myself.

737 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:34:32am

re: #666 yma o hyd

Hiya, {aussiemagpie}!
How nice to seeya!

Did you watch the Lions game on Wednesday?
Second highest win in SA, for the Lions, 74 - 10 ...
And man of the match was our Cardiff youngster, Jamie Roberts (No 12), who is only 22, and who clashed head with your captain last autumn ...

Hi {yma o hyd} Good to see you too! I thought of you the other night -we watched an old Test match that was played in Cardiff years ago and it was so good

No we didn't watch the Lions win, and missed the replay as well , good on Jamie Roberts!

Our Test matches are starting now - first off Barbarians v Wallabies

I'm really looking forward to the cricket now, although we've lost Andrew Symonds because he has been a bad boy and has been sent home!

738 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:34:40am

re: #729 Creeping Eruption

A 400 H.P. Saturn?


SWEET.

739 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:34:40am

re: #706 Kenneth

It is telling that the official biography on Obama's campaign website included the same error. If Obama is a "student of history" as he described himself in Cairo yesterday, he would have known about some basic facts about Auschwitz. As a narcissist, Obama habitually uses people, places and events as they suit his needs to aggrandize himself: Well if Auchwitz was the most infamous extermination camp, then that must be the one my great-uncle liberated.


Come on now, he wouldn't have been conceived if it weren't for Selma, oh wait that myth was busted too. Guess despite what the Dems want to believe telling lies long enough don't make them true.

740 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:34:53am
741 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:35:07am

re: #729 Creeping Eruption

There's that, plus there's the whole ability to send Saturns into his car rental businesses - a built in network that could expand the customer base if they see the vehicles as reliable and worthy of purchase after renting.

742 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:35:20am

re: #694 3 wood

The Dow is now down 45 points as investors are dumping health care and energy stocks.


Looks like I'm going to take a hit today.

743 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:35:37am

re: #674 Dustoff-507

LOL... DAMN! where is my credit card and that stupid phone number to the airlines.

Hurry up, the wine is disappearing...

744 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:35:49am

re: #700 JustMyView

Are you sure that all the details of your family stories are accurate?

Obama said the story was "burned into his memory." Buchenwald is in Germany, Auschwitz is in Poland. Evidently Obama couldn't even get the country correct.

745 yenta-fada  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:35:52am

re: #684 Lincolntf

re: #684 Lincolntf

Did you see the clip of Obama in some pyramid with that ubiquitous guy in charge of Egyptian Antiquities? Big O looks at a carving in the stone inside a pyramid and says "Hey, that looks like me, look at those ears!".

It's a tomb, dumbass, can you turn off the attention demanding "boyish charm" for half a second? Fucking twit.

Missed that particular exercise in salesmanship. Tempted to do a word count ratio of how many times Obama says "I" relative to the number of words spoken. However, I'd rather be at the dentist.

746 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:35:53am

re: #713 _RememberTonyC

maybe the WAB didn't want to be photographed with Carla B. Sarkozy. then she'd only be the second best looking woman in the photo ...

Are you kidding? She could take a photograph with Bawney Fwanks and still be only the second best looking woman in the photo

747 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:35:54am

re: #726 Capitalist Tool

He just showed BO how to make a speech.

CT ... that was no "speech." Those were words from the heart. Eloquent beyond description. And they were surely lost on the haters.

748 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:36:25am

re: #741 lawhawk

There's that, plus there's the whole ability to send Saturns into his car rental businesses - a built in network that could expand the customer base if they see the vehicles as reliable and worthy of purchase after renting.

Probably more in line with his thinking than a street legal Saturn NASCAR

749 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:36:58am
750 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:04am
751 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:08am

re: #740 buzzsawmonkey

But he wasn't even 8 years old at the time!


Old enough to fight in the big war. OMG.

752 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:18am

re: #742 Killgore Trout

Looks like I'm going to take a hit today.

Fucking Teapartiers!
/

753 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:28am

re: #688 realwest

My uncle served in the Royal Canadian Air Force and died somewhere in the North Sea, before D-Day. He was 20 years old. My grandfather served in WWI and was badly wounded in a small battle a month before the Battle of the Somme. Ironically, it probably saved his life.

So I take the slight very personally.

754 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:35am

re: #736 MandyManners

If I were a candidate for the presidency, I'd make darn sure they were factual before I used them to aggrandize myself.

re: #744 Walter L. Newton

Obama said the story was "burned into his memory." Buchenwald is in Germany, Auschwitz is in Poland. Evidently Obama couldn't even get the country correct.

It's like not knowing if your relative fought for the North or the South in the Civil war. Rather a significant 'detail.'

755 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:36am

re: #694 3 wood

Credit card finance charges went up to 13.24% from 12.24% from 8.99% within six months. So much for the bill that will disallow credit card companies from raising charges next year. So lame.

National sales tax anyone? That's coming too.

I'm wondering how much I will owe come April 15th. No one will have paid enough IMO.

756 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:38am

re: #746 VegasRick

Are you kidding? She could take a photograph with Bawney Fwanks and still be only the second best looking woman in the photo


Even Madame Speaker would leave WAB in the dust.

757 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:41am

re: #633 Killgore Trout

It's a shame that supporting our president has become a slur around here.

So now asking you to be accurate with what you say is the equivalent of slurring the President.

C'mon KT, raise your game a bit, you're better than that.

758 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:37:50am

re: #744 Walter L. Newton


Isn't Obama suppose to be some type of History buff?

759 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:38:11am

re: #700 JustMyView

re: #736 MandyManners

If I were a candidate for the presidency, I'd make darn sure they were factual before I used them to aggrandize myself.

I would also make sure I iknew how many STATES were in the country I was

760 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:38:34am

re: #737 aussiemagpie

Hi {yma o hyd} Good to see you too! I thought of you the other night -we watched an old Test match that was played in Cardiff years ago and it was so good

No we didn't watch the Lions win, and missed the replay as well , good on Jamie Roberts!

Our Test matches are starting now - first off Barbarians v Wallabies

I'm really looking forward to the cricket now, although we've lost Andrew Symonds because he has been a bad boy and has been sent home!


Yep - Aussie invasion of Cardiff, for the first Test Match!
I hope they show a bit more of our nice little city.
where they are playing - thats close to where I live, and when the dogs were younger, we used to walk there, round, and back every day.
On the opposite bank of the river is a good place where we got down and let the dogs have a swim.
Happy days ...

761 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:38:39am

re: #758 Dustoff-507

Isn't Obama suppose to be some type of History buff?

{swooonn}

762 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:38:45am

re: #750 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe the problem was that he used the Genuine Original John Kerry Memory Searer™, before the factory recall.


OOO-please, don't bring that fool up. I want to keep my breakfast down.

763 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:04am

re: #752 VegasRick

Thank god they aren't in charge. This would be much worse if we let the banks fail, went to the gold standard and installed the Fair Tax.

764 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:05am

re: #754 DistantThunder

It's like not knowing if your relative fought for the North or the South in the Civil war. Rather a significant 'detail.'

Joe Biden thinks his relatives fought for the East in the Civil War.

765 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:14am
766 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:16am

re: #715 lawhawk

So, how's that economic recovery working out? Seems that the unemployment rates are far higher than what the Administration was promising with its porkfest aka stimulus package that was backloaded to the extreme and did little to encourage employment.

Want proof? Here's the proof. The red dots are the actual numbers. The solid lines are what the Administration promised would be the rates both with and without the porkfest.

Yeah, they really nailed that one. And by blowing those figures, they're blowing the budget assumptions going forward as well since every person who is unemployed is a further drain on resources, rather than sending in taxes via withholding and that means there's less money available to borrow against.

Porkulus is going to hurt way more than it helps. Other than a few government jobs, Porkulus is only aiding the destruction of the private sector.

767 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:17am

re: #758 Dustoff-507

Isn't Obama suppose to be some type of History buff?

Saz's who?

768 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:29am

re: #706 Kenneth

It is telling that the official biography on Obama's campaign website included the same error. If Obama is a "student of history" as he described himself in Cairo yesterday, he would have known about some basic facts about Auschwitz. As a narcissist, Obama habitually uses people, places and events as they suit his needs to aggrandize himself: Well if Auchwitz was the most infamous extermination camp, then that must be the one my great-uncle liberated.

He told the story he thought he'd heard. When it was pointed out that the story was incorrect, he apologized and corrected it. Why make a federal cae out of it?

My dad served in WWII, and there is much that I don't know about his service in North Africa and Italy. Why? Because he didn't especially like talking about it. I know because I asked. And my dad was a very successful, highly respected, prosperous man in good mental health.

Obama's contact w/ his great uncle was, as I understand it, fairly limited. That he got some of the details wrong while nonetheless getting the sense of the story right is hardly surprising. Nor is it important, unless, of course, you are looking for reasons to beat up on Obama.

769 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:35am

re: #758 Dustoff-507

Isn't Obama suppose to be some type of History buff?

The revisionist variety from the looks of it.

770 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:39am

re: #744 Walter L. Newton

Obama said the story was "burned into his memory." Buchenwald is in Germany, Auschwitz is in Poland. Evidently Obama couldn't even get the country correct.

Aww, don't be so harsh - after all, Auschwitz was 'Germany' then ...

;-)

771 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:46am

re: #756 soxfan4life

Even Madame Speaker would leave WAB in the dust.

Helen Thomas? Tossup!

772 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:39:49am

I love small town papers: Search continues for Ronald McDonald statue taken from Kimberly Village President Chuck Kuen's backyard


From the article:

The victim had last been seen wearing a yellow jumpsuit with red and white striped sleeves. He also has exceptionally large feet and wears shiny red shoes.

773 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:40:11am

re: #757 3 wood

I said I didn't watch the speech and I don't care about it. I was just warning about misinformation.

774 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:40:19am

re: #754 DistantThunder

It's like not knowing if your relative fought for the North or the South in the Civil war. Rather a significant 'detail.'

Details don't matter as long as the picture serves to enhance FCBBHO.

775 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:40:20am

re: #744 Walter L. Newton

Obama said the story was "burned into his memory." Buchenwald is in Germany, Auschwitz is in Poland. Evidently Obama couldn't even get the country correct.

and if I recall correctly, the uncle has said can't recall talking to Obama about that incident.

776 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:40:22am
777 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:40:36am

re: #755 midwestgak

Credit card finance charges went up to 13.24% from 12.24% from 8.99% within six months. So much for the bill that will disallow credit card companies from raising charges next year. So lame.

National sales tax anyone? That's coming too.

I'm wondering how much I will owe come April 15th. No one will have paid enough IMO.

No new taxes except on the rich.
Except if you're still breathing.
Except if you just died.

778 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:40:38am

re: #771 VegasRick

Helen Thomas? Tossup!

Tossup my lunch, maybe.

779 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:40:53am

re: #768 JustMyView

He told the story he thought he'd heard. When it was pointed out that the story was incorrect, he apologized and corrected it. Why make a federal cae out of it?

My dad served in WWII, and there is much that I don't know about his service in North Africa and Italy. Why? Because he didn't especially like talking about it. I know because I asked. And my dad was a very successful, highly respected, prosperous man in good mental health.

Obama's contact w/ his great uncle was, as I understand it, fairly limited. That he got some of the details wrong while nonetheless getting the sense of the story right is hardly surprising. Nor is it important, unless, of course, you are looking for reasons to beat up on Obama.

But if you are a professional speaking in front of a crowd with an army of aides, you'd think he would have bothered to check...but i don't think he could be bothered.

780 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:40:58am

re: #720 Dustoff-507

It's good to see you here today. I hope you're keeping well.

781 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:41:03am

re: #764 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Joe Biden thinks his relatives fought for the East in the Civil War.

Well, he is from Scranton!
/

782 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:41:06am

re: #771 VegasRick

Helen Thomas? Tossup!


Man ... I thought I was dissing the WAB in my remark, but you guys leave me in the dust!

783 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:41:07am

re: #759 sattv4u2

re: #736 MandyManners


I would also make sure I iknew how many STATES were in the country I was

Pesky details.

784 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:41:52am

re: #768 JustMyView

He told the story he thought he'd heard. When it was pointed out that the story was incorrect, he apologized and corrected it. Why make a federal cae out of it?

My dad served in WWII, and there is much that I don't know about his service in North Africa and Italy. Why? Because he didn't especially like talking about it. I know because I asked. And my dad was a very successful, highly respected, prosperous man in good mental health.

Obama's contact w/ his great uncle was, as I understand it, fairly limited. That he got some of the details wrong while nonetheless getting the sense of the story right is hardly surprising. Nor is it important, unless, of course, you are looking for reasons to beat up on Obama.


he offers up this bullshit on his own, nobody is looking for it...you are an enabler

785 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:41:52am

re: #755 midwestgak

Credit card finance charges went up to 13.24% from 12.24% from 8.99% within six months. So much for the bill that will disallow credit card companies from raising charges next year. So lame.

National sales tax anyone? That's coming too.

I'm wondering how much I will owe come April 15th. No one will have paid enough IMO.

Hey don't say that! I got called a nut and a kook the other day for saying a VAT or sales tax is coming next.

786 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:42:00am

time to get some stuff done ... later Lizards ...

787 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:42:00am

re: #777 Capitalist Tool

No new taxes except on the rich.
Except if you're still breathing.
Except if you just died.

Anyone with a belly button.

788 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:42:20am

bbiab

789 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:42:25am
790 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:42:48am

re: #786 _RememberTonyC

time to get some stuff done ... later Lizards ...

See ya!

791 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:43:01am

re: #590 Nevergiveup
Ah well, with Obama, working for the Armed Forces of the US doesn't count as "employment" so you'd better apply for that job at Treasury right away!

792 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:43:20am

re: #789 Iron Fist

Could be worse. My girlfriend is nicknamed "Mafia Princess". When she's not happy, the Family is not happy...

:-)

Ominous.

793 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:43:27am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton


(JUSTMYVIEW) LOL

794 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:43:48am

re: #708 CommonCents

Strange that healthcare would be getting dumped when it appeared the strongest sector.

They are anticipating ObamaCare. Lot's of workers and no profit

795 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:44:03am

re: #764 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Joe Biden thinks his relatives fought for the East in the Civil War.

hahahahahahaha. Thanks. Needed a laugh.

796 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:44:10am

re: #780 Kenneth


I'm great and yourself

797 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:44:12am

re: #774 MandyManners

Details don't matter as long as the picture serves to enhance FCBBHO.

Yep - I think this whole jaunt was and is not so much for the Muslim and European peoples, it was for the international meejah, to show them what an ace PB0 is - and for the people at home: nice piccies of the Prez in exotic surroundings. should give his ratings a boost.
Never mind the moaning Israelis and Europeans - what do they know!

798 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:44:22am

re: #789 Iron Fist

Could be worse. My girlfriend is nicknamed "Mafia Princess". When she's not happy, the Family is not happy...

:-)

When the Family is not happy...
Tings get busted.
/the rest of the story

799 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:44:35am

re: #791 realwest

Ah well, with Obama, working for the Armed Forces of the US doesn't count as "employment" so you'd better apply for that job at Treasury right away!

Oh it counts as employment, he will take his cut out of your paycheck.

800 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:44:45am

Re-education Camp NoProfit has openings.

801 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:01am

re: #758 Dustoff-507

Isn't Obama suppose to be some type of History buff?

So he says. But a college friend of his was quoted as saying, "You couldn't force Obama to study history. He hated it."

George W. Bush, on the other hand, has a BA in History from Yale and was a life-long reader of history.

802 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:06am

re: #760 yma o hyd

Yep - Aussie invasion of Cardiff, for the first Test Match!
I hope they show a bit more of our nice little city.
where they are playing - thats close to where I live, and when the dogs were younger, we used to walk there, round, and back every day.
On the opposite bank of the river is a good place where we got down and let the dogs have a swim.
Happy days ...

Are you going to the cricket? I just love the atmosphere at a cricket Test match, especially Poms v Aussies :-)

We love the Barmy Army when they come to OZ for the Tests :-)

803 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:22am

re: #797 yma o hyd

Yep - I think this whole jaunt was and is not so much for the Muslim and European peoples, it was for the international meejah, to show them what an ace PB0 is - and for the people at home: nice piccies of the Prez in exotic surroundings. should give his ratings a boost.
Never mind the moaning Israelis and Europeans - what do they know!

I'm thinking it's just as much about creating new news to get minds off of what's really happening back here.

804 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:30am
805 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:32am

re: #794 3 wood

They are anticipating ObamaCare. Lot's of workers and no profit RUN BY A PROPHET

ftfy

806 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:38am

re: #768 JustMyView

He told the story he thought he'd heard.

Bingo...

807 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:47am

re: #765 buzzsawmonkey

Remember to put beer in the bong first.

I take it you're familiar with the works of the writer Max Beerbong?

808 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:54am

All the leaders are having problems with Obama while the people love him. Except I think the Brits are on to him - they call him President Pantywaist.

809 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:45:56am

re: #774 MandyManners

Details don't matter as long as the picture serves to enhance FCBBHO.

Der Spiegel interview with Obama's uncle.


SPIEGEL: At first Mr. Obama claimed that one of his family members was involved in the liberation Auschwitz. How did this misunderstanding come about?

Payne: He couldn't have gotten it from me since we had never talked about this particular episode in the war. My sister and her husband were both great storytellers and sometimes made up the details to go along with it. They told him about my deployment with the 89th Infantry Division and apparently they mixed up a few details. Of course it came out immediately that he was wrong since there are enough people in America who know that Auschwitz is in the East and that the camp was liberated by the Red Army.

810 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:46:25am

re: #801 Kenneth

So he says. But a college friend of his was quoted as saying, "You couldn't force Obama to study history. He hated it."

George W. Bush, on the other hand, has a BA in History from Yale and was a life-long reader of history.


But per the dem's HE was stupid.

811 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:46:39am
812 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:46:52am
813 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:47:15am

re: #774 MandyManners

Details don't matter as long as the picture serves to enhance FCBBHO.

The media will sell any lie, just so long as it helps god Jr. look good.

814 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:47:26am

re: #801 Kenneth

So he says. But a college friend of his was quoted as saying, "You couldn't force Obama to study history. He hated it."

George W. Bush, on the other hand, has a BA in History from Yale and was a life-long reader of history.

But as a community organiser, you don't ahve time to read books! You can only read summaries ... or rely on what those people tell you who actually have read the books (ever if they and you don't udnerstand a word!).

815 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:47:48am

re: #801 Kenneth

So he says. But a college friend of his was quoted as saying, "You couldn't force Obama to study history. He hated it."

George W. Bush, on the other hand, has a BA in History from Yale and was a life-long reader of history.

Yeah - are we scrutinizing all the books Obama is reading. I noticed that the press went dark on that topic after Bush and Rove announced the contest they were having.

816 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:48:01am

re: #806 Dustoff-507

He told made up the story he thought he'd heard wanted to tell.

Bingo...

817 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:48:25am

re: #802 aussiemagpie

Are you going to the cricket? I just love the atmosphere at a cricket Test match, especially Poms v Aussies :-)

We love the Barmy Army when they come to OZ for the Tests :-)

No - no chance of tickets, and can't leave Madame alone!
But we'll certainly soak up the atmosphere, its being so close to home.

818 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:48:26am

re: #768 JustMyView

I'm not making a federal case out of it, but it is a revealing detail. The fact is the Auschwitz error was up on his website for months. Neither Obama nor anybody else in his campaign clued into what should be a glaringly obvious historical error. That says something about Obama and his supporters and it isn't good.

819 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:02am

re: #632 MandyManners

Why were Merkel and Wiesel able to memorize a speech but, FCBBHO was not?

Cause Merkel can't allow it to be forgotten and because Wiesel could never forget it. IIRC, Wiesel was in Buchenwald when it was liberated by the US Army.
But again, since it happened before O was born, much less an adult, it doesn't really matter to him.

820 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:08am

re: #814 yma o hyd

But as a community organiser, you don't ahve time to read books! You can only read summaries ... or rely on what those people tell you who actually have read the books (ever if they and you don't udnerstand a word!).

When you don't read the books you can always have someone else to blame. Seems like in 0's world having a scapegoat is priority number 1.

821 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:11am

re: #714 3 wood

Yes sir! We went out to an Irish pub for a nice dinner

Normally "Irish" and "good food" are not found in the same sentence...

822 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:16am

re: #803 Pianobuff

I'm thinking it's just as much about creating new news to get minds off of what's really happening back here.

That too, absolutely.
Its treating people at home like little children.

823 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:27am

tomorrow is the anniversary of the Allied dash to the Rhine...what an incredible story of the citizen soldier...I'm humbled

one of the best books ever written about that war...
Citizen Soldier by Stephen Ambrose

824 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:29am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

I said I didn't watch the speech and I don't care about it. I was just warning about misinformation.

So then you have to accuse people of slurring?

Look, I like you.

I know you tend to lean to the left and I'm on the right, that's OK. You use the GOP as a pinata, fine, they deserve a lot of that.

But I've come to look forward to your intellectual clarity in our discussions. That comment was beneath your usual standards.

You are better than that, my friend.

825 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:31am

(JUSTMYVEIW)

I'd drop the whole thing if I was you. You may not like it, but Obama was caught in a lie.

Simple as that.

826 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:33am

re: #807 Occasional Reader

I take it you're familiar with the works of the writer Max Beerbong?

That is Stroh funny!

827 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:54am

re: #821 Occasional Reader

Normally "Irish" and "good food" are not found in the same sentence...

They ordered take out from the Italian place next door!
///

828 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:50:01am

re: #816 VegasRick


yEP, YOU GOT THAT RIGHT.

829 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:50:38am
830 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:51:39am

re: #808 DistantThunder

All the leaders are having problems with Obama while the people love him. Except I think the Brits are on to him - they call him President Pantywaist.

It might profit PB0 and his crowd to study closely what is happening in the UK right now: the people have taken a very hard and cold look at their politicians, and politicians in general.
The old spin machines aren't working here any longer, so PB0, like all the others, are now bereft of their aura of power.

831 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:51:50am

re: #811 buzzsawmonkey

Didn't he give rise to the phrase "gross me out to the Max?"

Yes, when he spilled on the carpet

832 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:52:05am

re: #826 VegasRick

That is Stroh funny!

That takes me back. I haven't seen that beer in years.

833 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:52:23am

re: #785 JohnnyReb

Hey don't say that! I got called a nut and a kook the other day for saying a VAT or sales tax is coming next.

Rant on. You are not a nut or kook on that subject. I am a witness that taxes/fines are about to eat us all out of house and home. Wanna park in down town Chicago? Give up $3.50/hr. Nice, huh? Go through a red light, give up $100. Park your car on a street for more than an hour, give up $30. Some people are being fined for parking in their own driveway.

Oh gak, you know the rules. Pay up.

If you think you are immune, just wait. Rant off.

834 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:52:24am

re: #645 yma o hyd
Hi {yma} thanks for the laugh. Wonder what the cartoon will be for June 6th?

835 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:52:29am
836 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:52:41am

re: #821 Occasional Reader

Normally "Irish" and "good food" are not found in the same sentence...


Not here. My buddy owns an Irish pub, and he always has good food there. Ahhh bangers and mashed.

837 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:52:52am

re: #818 Kenneth

The fact is the Auschwitz error was up on his website for months. Neither Obama nor anybody else in his campaign clued into what should be a glaringly obvious historical error. That says something about Obama and his supporters and it isn't good.
+++++++++++++++++++++++

It show's one of two things. (1) either they didn't care it was a lie. (2) People working for Obama all failed history!

838 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:53:00am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

re: #824 3 wood

Kilgore,

Not to pile on (well ,, perhaps a tad) but I echo what 3 wood posted. Lately you have made posts then when called on it you fall behind "well I didn;t really see it,,, or I didn't read it "

3 wood is right, you ARE better than that

839 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:53:02am

re: #829 buzzsawmonkey

That depends on what soda bread you like...

You'll need to find a sound legal citation regarding "good Irish food" to convince me. And don't forget to Shepherdspie's the case.

840 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:53:24am

re: #833 midwestgak

Go through a red light, give up $100


Close to $500 here in socal.

841 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:53:43am

re: #815 DistantThunder

Excellent link!

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Mr. Bush's 2006 reading list shows his literary tastes. The nonfiction ran from biographies of Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Carnegie, Mark Twain, Babe Ruth, King Leopold, William Jennings Bryan, Huey Long, LBJ and Genghis Khan to Andrew Roberts's "A History of the English Speaking Peoples Since 1900," James L. Swanson's "Manhunt," and Nathaniel Philbrick's "Mayflower." Besides eight Travis McGee novels by John D. MacDonald, Mr. Bush tackled Michael Crichton's "Next," Vince Flynn's "Executive Power," Stephen Hunter's "Point of Impact," and Albert Camus's "The Stranger," among others. Fifty-eight of the books he read that year were nonfiction. Nearly half of his 2006 reading was history and biography, with another eight volumes on current events (mostly the Mideast) and six on sports.

in 2007...his list was particularly wide-ranging that year, reading 51 books... from history ("The Great Upheaval" and "Khrushchev's Cold War"), biographical (Dean Acheson and Andrew Mellon), and current affairs (including "Rogue Regime" and "The Shia Revival"). He read one book meant for young adults, his daughter Jenna's excellent "Ana's Story."

in 2008 ...his reading this year included a heavy dose of history -- including David Halberstam's "The Coldest Winter," Rick Atkinson's "Day of Battle," Hugh Thomas's "Spanish Civil War," Stephen W. Sears's "Gettysburg" and David King's "Vienna 1814." There's also plenty of biography -- including U.S. Grant's "Personal Memoirs"; Jon Meacham's "American Lion"; James M. McPherson's "Tried by War: Abraham Lincoln as Commander in Chief" and Jacobo Timerman's "Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number."

Each year, the president also read the Bible from cover to cover, along with a daily devotional.

842 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:53:48am

re: #836 JohnnyReb

Not here. My buddy owns an Irish pub, and he always has good food there. Ahhh bangers and mashed.

In my experience, Irish pubs in the US can generally be relied on to have good burgers.

843 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:53:49am

re: #817 yma o hyd

No - no chance of tickets, and can't leave Madame alone!
But we'll certainly soak up the atmosphere, its being so close to home.

Sleepless nights ahead again for us :-) As well as the cricket, I have the Tour de France coming up and I watch this every year

Something about men in Lycra...gets my one remaining hormone going for two weeks :-)

Actually I am a cycling fan as well and we go to cycling events at the Olympic velodrome which is not far from our place

844 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:54:23am

re: #833 midwestgak

Rant on. You are not a nut or kook on that subject. I am a witness that taxes/fines are about to eat us all out of house and home. Wanna park in down town Chicago? Give up $3.50/hr. Nice, huh? Go through a red light, give up $100. Park your car on a street for more than an hour, give up $30. Some people are being fined for parking in their own driveway.

Oh gak, you know the rules. Pay up.

If you think you are immune, just wait. Rant off.


I listen to WLS online and they were talking about now they are parking meters at the public beaches. Greedy sonsabitches!

845 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:54:30am

re: #839 Occasional Reader

You'll need to find a sound legal citation regarding "good Irish food" to convince me. And don't forget to Shepherdspie's the case.

With all due respect to Buzzsawmonkey, that may be check and mate. Bravo. Well played.

846 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:54:32am
847 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:54:59am

re: #840 UFO TOFU

Close to $500 here in socal.


Their broke, you have the bucks, they don't. (-:

848 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:55:01am

re: #653 vxbush

My understanding is that she did finally receive an invitation from Sarkozy because Obama told him to invite her--but the Queen, being rightfully miffed, is sending Charles instead.


Ah, well then that makes sense now. Thanks {vxbush} hope you're doing well today!
I'm doing great, although now 200 posts behind!

849 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:55:24am

re: #779 DistantThunder

But if you are a professional speaking in front of a crowd with an army of aides, you'd think he would have bothered to check...but i don't think he could be bothered.

You have to understand that Obama came through the Chicago Machine. Democrats are generally not fact checked by the media here, so they get used to getting away with sloppy work like that. It's a birthright to them to exaggerate into a microphone and get away with it.

850 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:55:48am

re: #845 Creeping Eruption

With all due respect to Buzzsawmonkey, that may be check and mate. Bravo. Well played.

Look... I like buzz perfectly well, but just as a friend...

851 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:55:53am

re: #818 Kenneth

I'm not making a federal case out of it, but it is a revealing detail. The fact is the Auschwitz error was up on his website for months. Neither Obama nor anybody else in his campaign clued into what should be a glaringly obvious historical error. That says something about Obama and his supporters and it isn't good.

Why should it be glaringly obvious? It was a family story, not a doctoral dissertation. Obama has not claimed to be an expert on the events of WWII. Here's what Uncle Charlie had to say about the error.

852 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:56:04am

re: #808 DistantThunder

All the leaders are having problems with Obama while the people love him. Except I think the Brits are on to him - they call him President Pantywaist.

LOL.

853 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:56:15am

re: #840 UFO TOFU

Close to $500 here in socal.

ouch!

854 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:57:09am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

I said I didn't watch the speech and I don't care about it. I was just warning about misinformation.

No you weren't. You said I might be wrong:
" I'm not sure it's true that he didn't mention terrorism."

855 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:57:24am

re: #834 realwest

Hi {yma} thanks for the laugh. Wonder what the cartoon will be for June 6th?

It'll be a goodie, I'm sure!
I'll link it, promise!

I do hope you get to lose the pain in your joints today!

We're pretty much out of breath - have the 'visitor' for a trial day - and first, Madame wound him up all morning, then she was tired in the park - and now they're both asleep!
He's a magnificent beastie, really big and strong, and mostly black.
Border Collie, natch!

856 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:57:32am

re: #804 Iron Fist

Wasn't Hillary! named for the guy that climbed Mount Everest six years after she was born, or something like that? Nobody believes what Democrats say about their family histroy. Not since Teddy claimed he was driving home for one of his brothers...


She also claimed to have Jewish roots:

Mrs. Clinton, who is Methodist, "has very fond childhood memories" of the second husband of her grandmother, Max Rosenberg, a Russian-born Jew, said Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for the first lady's Senate exploratory committee.

857 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:57:32am
858 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:57:36am

re: #664 Walter L. Newton

You had no problem being critical with Bush when needed, why the change in heart?


Because Bush was a meanie!
Good morning Walter! Hope you're well today!

859 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:57:41am

re: #849 3 wood


Wasn't it ironic the other day when 0 tried to downplay Cheney's speech by referring to factcheck? When almost everything out of his mouth is BS.

860 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:57:47am

re: #850 Occasional Reader

Look... I like buzz perfectly well, but just as a friend...

Hey . . . no need to explain. That is between you guys - not that there is anything wrong with that - we are not judgmental here. We take everyone as the come.

861 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:57:51am

re: #825 Dustoff-507

(JUSTMYVEIW)

I'd drop the whole thing if I was you. You may not like it, but Obama was caught in a lie.

Simple as that.

I disagree. A mistake is not a lie. You have no evidence that Obama intended to deceive.

862 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:58:00am

re: #841 Kenneth

James L. Swanson's "Manhunt,"

OMG BUSH WAS GAY!
/

863 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:58:20am

GM to sell Saturn brand to Penske dealership chain
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I'm having a hard time envisioning my 1998 Saturn SL2 racing around the Indy 500!

864 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:58:30am
865 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:58:32am

re: #821 Occasional Reader

Normally "Irish" and "good food" are not found in the same sentence...

Have you ever had fresh soda bread right out of the oven?

Yummy

866 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:58:34am

re: #847 Dustoff-507

Their broke, you have the bucks, they don't. (-:

Except I think that something like 70% of the fine goes to the company processing the video.

867 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:58:42am
868 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:58:43am

Has anyone made a list of what friends or allies Obama has either managed to pissed-off and/or marginalize -post-WWII or Cold War- or Obama's Problems with History?

869 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:59:12am

re: #844 redstateredneck

I listen to WLS online and they were talking about now they are parking meters at the public beaches. Greedy sonsabitches!

Right. Used to be free.

Some government goof wants to make people take a driving class if they go through a red light. If they won't attend, an additional $50 please.

870 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:59:19am

re: #824 3 wood

So then you have to accuse people of slurring?


Because by cautioning people about accuracy I was accused of being an Obama supporter. I had a lot of issues with bush but I supported him. I was apposed to the war in Iraq but once it was on I supported it and cheered us on. I have a lot of issues with Obama but I will support him too. I see that as patriotism. Others here see it as treachery. I think that's a bummer.

871 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:59:19am

re: #861 JustMyView

I disagree. A mistake is not a lie. You have no evidence that Obama intended to deceive.

How about his whole presidency to date?

872 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:59:24am

re: #851 JustMyView


Then why even put it on his website. (boasting)
You seem to be missing the point, or don't care to even see it.

873 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:59:58am

re: #846 buzzsawmonkey

How much to go through a green light?

Cute.

But, wait and see. Wait and see.

874 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:00:09am
875 tfc3rid  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:00:14am

re: #851 JustMyView

Why should it be glaringly obvious? It was a family story, not a doctoral dissertation. Obama has not claimed to be an expert on the events of WWII.

Obama is the President of the United States... One would hope he has a very strong grip on past history. He gets no pass from me regarding his lack of knowledge about our important points in history.

876 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:00:27am
877 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:00:38am

re: #856 redstateredneck


AND the best one of all (SNIPER)

LOL

878 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:00:43am

re: #675 JustMyView

He had the name of the camp wrong, but the story he told was otherwise accurate.


I know just what you mean. The memory of 9/11 is seared into my brain too. Those towers going down in Chicago were a chilling sight to see.

879 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:00:50am

re: #854 Nevergiveup

No you weren't. You said I might be wrong:
" I'm not sure it's true that he didn't mention terrorism."


Yes. That was my outrageous treasonous statement. Seethe away.

880 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:01:04am

re: #864 Iron Fist

If it was so minor, why are you wasting so much time defending it?

Believe me, I've spent much less time worrying about fabrications re Obama than most LGfers. If people didn't keep bringing up this garbage, I assure you I wouldn't be talking about it at all.

881 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:01:15am

re: #869 midwestgak

Right. Used to be free.

Some government goof wants to make people take a driving class if they go through a red light. If they won't attend, an additional $50 please.

There are reasons I very rarely take my into the city anymore. Pardon me while I take Metra and deprive King Richard the Chickenshit of his money.

882 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:01:33am

re: #865 3 wood

Have you ever had fresh soda bread right out of the oven?

Yummy

Yes, I have, and it is good. But the list tends to thin out a bit after that.

(Now, I haven't been to Ireland since 1986, but I'm told there's all sorts of great food available there now; but it's not "traditional" Irish food.)

883 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:02:13am

re: #861 JustMyView

I disagree. A mistake is not a lie. You have no evidence that Obama intended to deceive.


So his sudden embrace of his Muslim roots shouldn't make us believe he tried to deceive us on his Muslim upbringing while on the campaign trail? What is a shame is that we are looking at it like show me how you aren't deceiving us.

884 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:02:20am

re: #878 realwest


LOL...

Now that left a mark!

885 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:02:31am

re: #870 Killgore Trout

BTW ,, after the initial bounce down, the market is up about 45 right now, so you may not be taking that hit after all

and even if it ends down, the WEEK will be up

886 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:02:33am

re: #843 aussiemagpie

Sleepless nights ahead again for us :-) As well as the cricket, I have the Tour de France coming up and I watch this every year

Something about men in Lycra...gets my one remaining hormone going for two weeks :-)

Actually I am a cycling fan as well and we go to cycling events at the Olympic velodrome which is not far from our place

Cycling - something us Brits did really well in last year's Olympic Games :-)))
(Sorry, not much we can boast about, sport-wise ...!)

I'm waiting for the Lions games proper to kick off - it will be amazing.
Not only is Gerald Davies, he of the honeyd voice and the fame as winger the director, he's got Ian McGeechan as Head coach, and then took our whole Welsh coaching team as specialist coaches.
Of course, Shaun Edwards laid into them after the first, awful game - and lookie there, he's terrorised them all into playing better. Obviously, the Welsh contignent knew all about that - but not the Irish, English and Scots.
Now they know, teeheehee!

887 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:02:39am

re: #877 Dustoff-507

AND the best one of all (SNIPER)

LOL

Oh, yeah. It was a very vivid memory.

888 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:02:51am

re: #833 midwestgak

Wanna park in down town Chicago? Give up $3.50/hr. Nice, huh? Go through a red light, give up $100. Park your car on a street for more than an hour, give up $30. Some people are being fined for parking in their own driveway.

did you hear the latest about the parking privatization contract. The City sold it for about $1 billion less than it was worth to Morgan Stanley, so in other words the Chicago taxpayers will be shorted ! billion in revenues.

Mayor Daley has a relative who was on the Morgan Stanley side of the deal.

The Chicago Way.

889 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:03:10am

re: #875 tfc3rid

Obama is the President of the United States... One would hope he has a very strong grip on past history. He gets no pass from me regarding his lack of knowledge about our important points in history.

Oh, give me a break. Do you really think most American political leaders--Republican or Democrat--could describe the Nazi execution system in detail?

890 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:03:18am

re: #878 realwest

I know just what you mean. The memory of 9/11 is seared into my brain too. Those towers going down in Chicago were a chilling sight to see.

Good, one, {real}!

891 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:03:27am

re: #883 soxfan4life


Shall we not forget ( don't use his middle name)
Now he woun't shut up about it.

can you say TWO faced.

892 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:03:39am

re: #880 JustMyView

Believe me, I've spent much less time worrying about fabrications re Obama than most LGfers. If people didn't keep bringing up this garbage, I assure you I wouldn't be talking about it at all.

no time worrying about them, but plenty of effort to ignore them!

893 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:03:47am

re: #890 redstateredneck

Good, one, {real}!

Jeeze, I'm using commas like TFK!

894 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:04:01am

re: #758 Dustoff-507

Isn't Obama suppose to be some type of History buff?


yeah, I wish he were history

895 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:04:19am
896 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:04:22am

re: #889 JustMyView

Oh, give me a break. Do you really think most American political leaders--Republican or Democrat--could describe the Nazi execution system in detail?

1. Nazis collected a bunch of Jews.
2. They killed them.

What more do you want to know?

897 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:04:41am

re: #893 redstateredneck

I was wondering...

898 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:04:53am

re: #882 Occasional Reader

Yes, I have, and it is good. But the list tends to thin out a bit after that.

(Now, I haven't been to Ireland since 1986, but I'm told there's all sorts of great food available there now; but it's not "traditional" Irish food.)

I dunno, corned beef and cabbage is great comfort food.
(That IS Irish...right?)

What's that old joke?
Heaven is a German car, a British butler, and a French chef.
Hell is a French car, a German butler, and a British chef.

899 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:04:57am

re: #877 Dustoff-507

AND the best one of all (SNIPER)

LOL

Serpentine, Hill! Serpentine!

900 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:05:23am

re: #889 JustMyView

Oh, give me a break. Do you really think most American political leaders--Republican or Democrat--could describe the Nazi execution system in detail?

if he can't be factual, he should keep his mouth shut...the tripe he blathers is for YOU!...you should expect more from your guy

901 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:05:32am

re: #880 JustMyView

Believe me, I've spent much less time worrying about fabrications re Obama than most LGfers. If people didn't keep bringing up this garbage, I assure you I wouldn't be talking about it at all.

And if Obama didn't keep making so many gaffe's, we wouldn't have anything to be concerned with, and you wouldn't have to defend him.

Does it bother you in the least that these sorts of gaffe's, inconsistencies and changes of stories keep on happening?

(why do I bother?)

902 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:05:40am

re: #883 soxfan4life

So his sudden embrace of his Muslim roots shouldn't make us believe he tried to deceive us on his Muslim upbringing while on the campaign trail? What is a shame is that we are looking at it like show me how you aren't deceiving us.

IIRC, it was considered a 'slur' to even bring up the fact that he even had any associations with Muslims or Islam in his life during the campaign. And if you used his middle name, you were racist.

903 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:05:50am

re: #888 3 wood

did you hear the latest about the parking privatization contract. The City sold it for about $1 billion less than it was worth to Morgan Stanley, so in other words the Chicago taxpayers will be shorted ! billion in revenues.

Mayor Daley has a relative who was on the Morgan Stanley side of the deal.

The Chicago Way.

Hey 3 wood. Ya, I heard. And pretty soon, all discretionary earnings will be sucked up by Cook County law makers/should be in jail electorates.

904 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:05:53am
905 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:06:05am

re: #851 JustMyView

It was an obvious error to me when I heard the speech. I don't have a degree in history, but at least I know where Poland is. This is just one of the many small events which reveals the myth-spinning psyche of I Obama .

It's the narcissism, dude.

906 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:06:40am

re: #901 Walter L. Newton

(why do I bother?)

It's like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer

Not good while doing it,

but SO good when you stop!

907 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:07:01am

re: #878 realwest

I know just what you mean. The memory of 9/11 is seared into my brain too. Those towers going down in Chicago were a chilling sight to see.

Sorry, bad analogy. Obama did not live through the events he referred to. It's Uncle Charlie's experience that's analogous to your experience of 9/11, not Obama's, and Charlie had no problem remembering the name.

908 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:07:16am

re: #901 Walter L. Newton

And if Obama didn't keep making so many gaffe's, we wouldn't have anything to be concerned with, and you wouldn't have to defend him.

Does it bother you in the least that these sorts of gaffe's, inconsistencies and changes of stories keep on happening?

(why do I bother?)

But it's true... McCain CAN'T use a computer!

/s

909 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:07:24am

re: #886 yma o hyd

Cycling - something us Brits did really well in last year's Olympic Games :-)))
(Sorry, not much we can boast about, sport-wise ...!)

I'm waiting for the Lions games proper to kick off - it will be amazing.
Not only is Gerald Davies, he of the honeyd voice and the fame as winger the director, he's got Ian McGeechan as Head coach, and then took our whole Welsh coaching team as specialist coaches.
Of course, Shaun Edwards laid into them after the first, awful game - and lookie there, he's terrorised them all into playing better. Obviously, the Welsh contignent knew all about that - but not the Irish, English and Scots.
Now they know, teeheehee!

We'll be watching most of the games I expect, even though Mr Aussiemagpie has a bad habit of watching through closed eyes and making zzz noises :-)

The next morning I have to give a full match report!

910 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #894 apachegunner


Me too, but as our econ keeps crashing. Obama can give all the speeches he wants. That is until far to many don't have work and get pissed at him and the dem's

911 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:07:34am

re: #902 VioletTiger

IIRC, it was considered a 'slur' to even bring up the fact that he even had any associations with Muslims or Islam in his life during the campaign. And if you used his middle name, you were racist.


And McCain played right along with it.

912 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:07:41am

re: #809 reine.de.tout


You mean he LIED?

*swoon*

913 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:07:49am
914 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:07:59am

re: #889 JustMyView

Oh, give me a break. Do you really think most American political leaders--Republican or Democrat--could describe the Nazi execution system in detail?

Auschwitz is hardly a "detail".

915 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:08:07am

re: #908 Pianobuff

And Obama can't speak without one...

916 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:08:49am

re: #870 Killgore Trout

Well, I've had my say and you have had yours and enough on this.

I just look forward to seeing the higher quality (in my view) intellectual production from you that I've gotten used to seeing.

917 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:08:58am

UNCLE!

918 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:09:30am

Just a quick note - the votes are being counted for the councils, seven of 34 have declared, the Tories (Conservative party) have six, the LibDems one - Labour lost three, the Libdems lost one, both to the Tories, and two hung councils also went to the Tories.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

The votes for the European Parliament will be counted on Sunday, as different countries vote on different days.

919 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:09:37am

re: #907 JustMyView

Sorry, bad analogy. Obama did not live through the events he referred to. It's Uncle Charlie's experience that's analogous to your experience of 9/11, not Obama's, and Charlie had no problem remembering the name.

Charlie couldn't even remember telling Obama about it, remember? (ha, "remember," a little self-referential humor).

920 tfc3rid  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:09:42am

re: #889 JustMyView

Oh, give me a break. Do you really think most American political leaders--Republican or Democrat--could describe the Nazi execution system in detail?

I would expect the President of the United States to have a strong under standing on what his predecessors had to face and how they dealt with it, whether he agreed with it or not. History did not begin with JFK.

921 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:10:08am

re: #904 buzzsawmonkey

I was only slightly kidding. There has already been talk of levying "mileage taxes" on the amount people drive. If cameras can record when one goes through a red light and one can be charged for this--and they can, and one is--then there is no reason why such technology cannot be harnessed to track vehicles going through green lights and bill them.

If those in position to do so can tax the weather, why not mileage? Air will be next. Which would include air in your tires, not just what you breathe.

922 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:10:24am

re: #821 Occasional Reader

Normally "Irish" and "good food" are not found in the same sentence...

what? ya don't like a potato once in a while?

923 J.S.  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:10:41am

re: #889 JustMyView

(from my point of view, it's not so much that Obama might get his facts mixed up, or get confused, or his memory fails him -- these sorts of things everyone does, and it's not a big deal...on the other hand, what does bother me is Obama's constant (or seemingly constant) running down of the United States...The criticizing of America is something I expect from the enemies of the United States, and even from some allies -- Canadians, for example -- but hearing it from the President of the United States? It does bother me...and I wish Obama could tone it down a bit...there are more than enough "critics" of the United States and its policies worldwide; at this point in time it's more than redundant...)

924 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:04am

re: #879 Killgore Trout

Yes. That was my outrageous treasonous statement. Seethe away.

I'm not seething. Just tell the truth. You, yourself, said you didn't really know his speech, but you said I might be wrong about him not mentioning the T word. Here is what you say:
" I was wrong. I should know what I am talking about before I open my mouth"

See that was simple.

925 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:12am

re: #905 Kenneth

It's the narcissism, dude.

By the bucket fulls!

926 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:17am

re: #883 soxfan4life

So his sudden embrace of his Muslim roots shouldn't make us believe he tried to deceive us on his Muslim upbringing while on the campaign trail? What is a shame is that we are looking at it like show me how you aren't deceiving us.


That was 100% deception. I pointed it out a few times during the campaign and I got smacked down here as a kook. We were told by some that just by mentioning his middle name we were falling into the "trap" set up to make right wing blogs look racist. Now look at it, he is coming up just short of being a practicing Muslim by his own admission. Double standards abound everywhere.

927 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:20am

re: #714 3 wood

Yes sir! We went out to an Irish pub for a nice dinner (I had potato soup and fish/chips) and then watched the Great Gatsby (70's one with Robert Redford)

Fitzgerald is one of my favorite authors.

How are you and Mom doing?

Feeling confident to know that Barney Frank is helping decide which dealers close?


Mom and I are doing ok, thanks for asking! And how did I know you'd have your dinner at an Irish Pub?!?
And since I don't own an auto-dealership, and keep my back covered all the time, Barney Frank doesn't bother me. He's just a fat small, bitter old man.

928 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:21am

re: #870 Killgore Trout

Because by cautioning people about accuracy I was accused of being an Obama supporter. I had a lot of issues with bush but I supported him. I was apposed to the war in Iraq but once it was on I supported it and cheered us on. I have a lot of issues with Obama but I will support him too. I see that as patriotism. Others here see it as treachery. I think that's a bummer.

A link to anyone here that referred to you opinions and views "treachery."

(tapping foot, waiting, hyperbole mode on).

929 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:28am

re: #901 Walter L. Newton

And if Obama didn't keep making so many gaffe's, we wouldn't have anything to be concerned with, and you wouldn't have to defend him.

Does it bother you in the least that these sorts of gaffe's, inconsistencies and changes of stories keep on happening?

(why do I bother?)

The only thing that bothered me about your message is your failure to use apostrophes correctly.

930 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:52am

re: #889 JustMyView

Oh, give me a break. Do you really think most American political leaders--Republican or Democrat--could describe the Nazi execution system in detail?

Knowing the locations of Auschwitz and Buchenwald and who liberated them are NOT DETAILS.

931 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:57am

re: #914 Occasional Reader

Auschwitz is hardly a "detail".

Ozero was too busy listening to MLK give him advice and telling JFK the best strategery on the Cuban missle crisis to get EVERY detail right from good ole uncle Charlie!
/

932 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:11:59am

re: #921 midwestgak

If those in position to do so can tax the weather, why not mileage? Air will be next. Which would include air in your tires, not just what you breathe.

And next... "if you try to walk, I'll tax your feet".

-The Beatles

933 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:12:33am

re: #914 Occasional Reader

Auschwitz is hardly a "detail".


If Bush or Reagan had used that the dem's would still be screaming from the roof tops even to this day.

Yeah it means something.

934 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:12:50am

re: #907 JustMyView

Sorry, bad analogy. Obama did not live through the events he referred to. It's Uncle Charlie's experience that's analogous to your experience of 9/11, not Obama's, and Charlie had no problem remembering the name.

I'm a little bit older than The 0ne, and both my father and uncle were in WW2. If my uncle Johnny told me that he was at the gates of Auschwitz as one of the 1st US soldiers to liberate, uncle Johnny wouldn't have been allowed out of the house without medical supervison!
AND ,,, I wouldn't be walking around retelling the story to my freinds, let alone potential voters!

935 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:13:13am

re: #882 Occasional Reader

(Now, I haven't been to Ireland since 1986, but I'm told there's all sorts of great food available there now; but it's not "traditional" Irish food.)

That is true. American fast food joints can be found in most towns. Last year I saw a McDonalds on O'Connell St in Dublin.

But you learn to eat in the small pubs that the locals eat in. We stayed few days in Cong, north of Galway, which is the little town where the John Wayne film The Quiet Man was filmed. We ate in a little pub there that had the best potato soup and soda bread.

936 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:13:23am

re: #926 JohnnyReb

he is coming up just short of being a practicing Muslim by his own admission.

While I agree about the whole "you can't say 'Hussein' or you're a racist!" double standard, what you've written there is something of an overstatement.

937 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:13:24am

re: #929 JustMyView

The only thing that bothered me about your message is your failure to use apostrophes correctly.

That's good, deflect any debate or discussion by turning into a grammar Nazi. Shallow shit head.

938 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:13:29am

re: #929 JustMyView

The only thing that bothered me about your message is your failure to use apostrophes correctly.

Oh, go piss up a rope.

939 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:14:07am

Can't fathom what the KorComs are trying to accomplish other than to demonstrate that their new fearless leader is all aboard the crazy train, too.

940 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:14:21am

re: #920 tfc3rid

I would expect the President of the United States to have a strong under standing on what his predecessors had to face and how they dealt with it, whether he agreed with it or not. History did not begin with JFK.

And if he's too overworked to remember all that, he ought at least to employ staff who can do the research for him and spoon-feed him the facts.

941 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:14:31am

re: #804 Iron Fist

Wasn't Hillary! named for the guy that climbed Mount Everest six years after she was born, or something like that? Nobody believes what Democrats say about their family histroy. Not since Teddy claimed he was driving home for one of his brothers...

Yes. Democrats are just so amazingly interesting. And if, in reality, the unfortunate truth comes out that democrats are as dull as snot, a big lie can be manufactured. Matt Lauer is happy to oblige.

942 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:14:36am

re: #889 JustMyView

Oh, give me a break. Do you really think most American political leaders--Republican or Democrat--could describe the Nazi execution system in detail?


truckem, trainem, gasem, burnem you nitwit. whatelse is there to know?

943 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:14:52am

Being bothered by Walter's apostrophes v. not being bothered by FCBBHO's lies?

944 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:15:03am

re: #935 3 wood

That is true. American fast food joints can be found in most towns. Last year I saw a McDonalds on O'Connell St in Dublin.

When I said "great food", I certainly wasn't referring to McDonald's!

We stayed few days in Cong

I imagine they have great Vietnamese food there.

945 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:15:12am

re: #934 sattv4u2

I'm a little bit older than The 0ne, and both my father and uncle were in WW2. If my uncle Johnny told me that he was at the gates of Auschwitz as one of the 1st US soldiers to liberate, uncle Johnny wouldn't have been allowed out of the house without medical supervison!
AND ,,, I wouldn't be walking around retelling the story to my freinds, let alone potential voters!

Ozero just changed it a little and hoped that no one would notice.

946 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:15:31am

re: #726 Capitalist Tool

He just showed BO how to make a speech.

Indeed, mom just came in after Elie's speech and was in tears over it. Literally.

947 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:15:34am

re: #943 MandyManners

Being bothered by Walter's apostrophes v. not being bothered by FCBBHO's lies?

now now ,, they're not "lies", they are misrememberences

948 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:15:41am

#919 Walter L. Newton

Charlie couldn't even remember telling Obama about it, remember? (ha, "remember," a little self-referential humor).

That's right. In the story I linked to above, Charlie attributes Obama's error to having heard the story incorrectly from his grandparents. The fact that Obama's source was once removed from the story makes it even more understandable how errors crept in.

949 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:15:43am

re: #905 Kenneth

Hey Kenneth, I'm back and just read your suggestion waaay upthread about my smartypants daughter. Thanks. I'm between jobs right now and we've got 4 little blessings so we've got to pick and choose, but she's in an advanced chemistry camp and a basketball camp so that will have to be it for the camps, but we're going to get her some 5th and 6th grade math workbooks to go through. She topped out on some of the math standardized tests simply because she reached definitions and questions that she hadn't run across and couldn't intuit so that should help her.

950 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:15:53am

re: #943 MandyManners

Being bothered by Walter's apostrophes v. not being bothered by FCBBHO's lies?


someone's asking for the clueby4... won't mention who it is.

951 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:16:09am

re: #946 realwest

Indeed, mom just came in after Elie's speech and was in tears over it. Literally.

Hopefully it will be on youtube later...I'd like to see it.

952 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:16:15am

I have tried to find a similar list of books Obama is reading or has recently read. No luck. But we can find several glowing articles on Obama's favorite books of all time - chock full of carefully chosen "important books", naturally.

Moby Dick, Ernest Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls, Thus Sprach Zarathustra... now that's a revealing title: Nietzsche's famous tome by for and about narcissists:


"Behold, I teach you the overman! The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth! I beseech you, my brothers, remain faithful to the earth, and do not believe those who speak to you of otherworldly hopes!"

And then Toni Morrison, something by ML King. Oh, and the Bible, better have that on the list to, been meaning to read that some day, I hear there's a guy in it a lot like Me.

953 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:16:19am

re: #947 sattv4u2

now now ,, they're not "lies", they are misrememberences

Silly me. I gotta' get with the new lingo.

954 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:16:39am

re: #539 Creeping Eruption

[rifles through wallet]

[puts shaving cream in both hands and tickles his nose]

955 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:16:42am

re: #947 sattv4u2

now now ,, they're not "lies", they are misrememberences


Hell, I was misty, and I'm a crusty old fart.

956 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:17:22am

re: #948 JustMyView

#919 Walter L. Newton


That's right. In the story I linked to above, Charlie attributes Obama's error to having heard the story incorrectly from his grandparents. The fact that Obama's source was once removed from the story makes it even more understandable how errors crept in.

How difficult is it to check such things as the locations of Aushwitz and Buchenwald?

957 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:17:44am

re: #955 Capitalist Tool

That was supposed to have attached to real's #946.
oh well

958 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:17:50am

re: #950 Capitalist Tool

someone's asking for the clueby4... won't mention who it is.

Ain't worth the swing.

959 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:18:05am

re: #948 JustMyView

#919 Walter L. Newton


That's right. In the story I linked to above, Charlie attributes Obama's error to having heard the story incorrectly from his grandparents. The fact that Obama's source was once removed from the story makes it even more understandable how errors crept in.


then research it or keep your mouth shut

How hard would it have been to say

"Hey,,, Uncle Charlie,,, ganma and granpa told me you were at Auschwitz ,,, geee ,, I'd REALLY like to hear that story!"

960 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:18:06am

re: #955 Capitalist Tool

Hell, I was misty, and I'm a crusty old fart.

Does that make you a soggy old fart now?

961 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:18:08am

re: #734 DistantThunder
Hey DT! No he won't do that - WWII was before he was born, much less an adult, so it doesn't really count, ya know?!

962 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:18:27am

re: #947 sattv4u2

now now ,, they're not "lies", they are misrememberences

How about 'man-caused forgetfulness-es'

963 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:18:35am

re: #952 Kenneth

I have tried to find a similar list of books Obama is reading or has recently read.

I have to say out of fairness; the list cited for Bush has, as its source, his chief political advisor, Mr. Rove. So it's not exactly an unbiased source. Just sayin'.

964 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:18:47am

re: #934 sattv4u2

I'm a little bit older than The 0ne, and both my father and uncle were in WW2. If my uncle Johnny told me that he was at the gates of Auschwitz as one of the 1st US soldiers to liberate, uncle Johnny wouldn't have been allowed out of the house without medical supervison!
AND ,,, I wouldn't be walking around retelling the story to my freinds, let alone potential voters!

Again, you are screwing up the analogy. Obama's uncle did not tell him anything! He is perfectly in control of the facts of his own experience.

965 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:18:54am

Interesting to watch the outcome of the EU elections, and it's looking like the centre right will prevail...

Good article from yesterday's Australian

Europe's political pendulum swings to the right...

Strange isn't it? The US and Australia lurch to the left, Europe goes the other way

966 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:19:27am

re: #726 Capitalist Tool

He just showed BO how to make a speech.

Indeed, mom just came in after Elie's speech and was in tears over it. Literally.
re: #951 KansasMom

Hopefully it will be on youtube later...I'd like to see it.

You want to see realwest's Mom crying? Why you, I oughta...oh wait!
/

967 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:19:32am

Did FCBBHO say his great-uncle told him the stories or, his grand-parents?

968 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:19:48am

re: #948 JustMyView

#919 Walter L. Newton

That's right. In the story I linked to above, Charlie attributes Obama's error to having heard the story incorrectly from his grandparents. The fact that Obama's source was once removed from the story makes it even more understandable how errors crept in.

So Obama said he heard it from Charlie, but he didn't, tells us he did. Obama heard it from his grandparents, who told it wrong, Obama tells use the wrong information is from Charlie. And then, Obama tells the world this information, twice wrong, and he and/or his advisors never even catch the simple error about which camp in which country, so now, a third time something is misspoke.

This guy is on a role.

Bad, Obama, Bad.

969 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:19:50am

re: #956 MandyManners

How difficult is it to check such things as the locations of Aushwitz and Buchenwald?


0 has much more important things to do than check his facts. After all who is going to call him on anything?

970 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:20:07am

re: #949 Spenser (with an S)

4 children! You truly are blessed. Too bad about being out of work right now, but enjoy the time you have to be with the kids. In time you will be working again and miss them terribly.

971 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:20:20am

re: #964 JustMyView

Again, you are screwing up the analogy. Obama's uncle did not tell him anything! He is perfectly in control of the facts of his own experience.


,, see my 959

972 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:20:31am

re: #965 aussiemagpie

Interesting to watch the outcome of the EU elections, and it's looking like the centre right will prevail...

Good article from yesterday's Australian

Europe's political pendulum swings to the right...

Strange isn't it? The US and Australia lurch to the left, Europe goes the other way


I have a feeling that the left-lurch will be shortlived. Fingers and toes crossed, anyhow.

973 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:20:32am

re: #948 JustMyView

#919 Walter L. Newton


That's right. In the story I linked to above, Charlie attributes Obama's error to having heard the story incorrectly from his grandparents.

And during Obama's entire subsequent adult life, including his Ivy League education, he never learned the basic facts about WWII?!

974 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:20:56am

re: #949 Spenser (with an S)

Hey Kenneth, I'm back and just read your suggestion waaay upthread about my smartypants daughter. Thanks. I'm between jobs right now and we've got 4 little blessings so we've got to pick and choose, but she's in an advanced chemistry camp and a basketball camp so that will have to be it for the camps, but we're going to get her some 5th and 6th grade math workbooks to go through. She topped out on some of the math standardized tests simply because she reached definitions and questions that she hadn't run across and couldn't intuit so that should help her.

Children who take music lessons and learn to read music do better in math, also. Just a thought.

975 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:21:44am

re: #916 3 wood


I just look forward to seeing the higher quality (in my view) intellectual production from you that I've gotten used to seeing.


Bite me.

976 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:21:49am

re: #973 Occasional Reader

And during Obama's entire subsequent adult life, including his Ivy League education, he never learned the basic facts about WWII?!

more accurate

977 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:22:06am

re: #974 redstateredneck

Children who take music lessons and learn to read music do better in math, also. Just a thought.

Chess clubs tend to be cheap too. The logic skills from chess translate nicely to mathematics.

978 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:22:15am

defending the indefensible is denying reality...I said so

979 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:22:22am

re: #965 aussiemagpie

Interesting to watch the outcome of the EU elections, and it's looking like the centre right will prevail...

Good article from yesterday's Australian

Europe's political pendulum swings to the right...

Strange isn't it? The US and Australia lurch to the left, Europe goes the other way

Of course, the outcome won't be known before Monday, but here's a nice quote from that link:

'The full projection for the European elections forecasts that the new anti-federalist conservative group being formed by British Tory leader David Cameron and allies in the Czech Republic and Poland will become the fourth-largest bloc in the European Parliament with 53 seats. They will be followed closely by Greens on 50.'

If the votes for the European Parliament here in the UK shadow those for the local councils, then the Tories here may win a few more seats as projected.

980 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:22:27am

re: #975 Killgore Trout

Bite me.

Thats what we're talking about! There's the KT we know and love!

981 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:22:41am

re: #963 Occasional Reader

I recall seeing photos of Bush with books in hand, and read accounts by several others of his reading habits. I accept the list as accurate.

982 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:22:48am

re: #975 Killgore Trout

Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning?

983 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:22:50am

re: #943 MandyManners

Being bothered by Walter's apostrophes v. not being bothered by FCBBHO's lies?

Again, a lie differs from a mistake in that it involves intent. If you have evidence that Obama intended to falsify his great-uncle's war experience, you should present it. What I recall is that, once the error was pointed out, it was immediately corrected.

984 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:23:10am

re: #970 Kenneth

4 children! You truly are blessed. Too bad about being out of work right now, but enjoy the time you have to be with the kids. In time you will be working again and miss them terribly.

Yes we are. We are all healthy and, 3 out of the 4 of them are very smart!

///

985 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:23:55am

re: #973 Occasional Reader

And during Obama's entire subsequent adult life, including his Ivy League education, he never learned the basic facts about WWII life beyond The 0ne ?!

pimf

986 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:24:18am

re: #975 Killgore Trout

Bite me.

Honestly, KT, you're just proving his point.
Stop digging, mun!

987 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:24:19am

re: #972 VioletTiger

I have a feeling that the left-lurch will be shortlived. Fingers and toes crossed, anyhow.

I hope so, but we'll be up to our eyballs in debt, and it will take decades to repair the damage

988 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:24:48am

re: #964 JustMyView

Again, you are screwing up the analogy. Obama's uncle did not tell him anything! He is perfectly in control of the facts of his own experience.

That's right! His experience is more important than THE TRUTH.

989 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:24:57am

re: #944 Occasional Reader

I imagine they have great Vietnamese food there.

Actually, that town name is some old Gaelic word, IIRCC

990 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:25:14am

re: #986 yma o hyd

Honestly, KT, you're just proving his point.
Stop digging, mun!

I think KT was sarcing.

991 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:25:17am

re: #983 JustMyView

Again, a lie differs from a mistake in that it involves intent. If you have evidence that Obama intended to falsify his great-uncle's war experience, you should present it. What I recall is that, once the error was pointed out, it was immediately corrected.


So where's your evidence that he doesn't consistently lie?
When mistakes are pointed out and nothing is done to correct them, is that mere sloth? What about when corrected mistakes are repeatedly un- corrected and retold or republished?

992 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:25:22am

re: #969 soxfan4life

0 has much more important things to do than check his facts. After all who is going to call him on anything?

I, for one.

993 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:25:25am

re: #974 redstateredneck

Children who take music lessons and learn to read music do better in math, also. Just a thought.

Thanks, someone else suggested that too. She's got a flute that she'll be playing next year so we'll try to find a course of study there too.

994 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:25:45am

re: #983 JustMyView

Again, a lie differs from a mistake in that it involves intent. If you have evidence that Obama intended to falsify his great-uncle's war experience, you should present it. What I recall is that, once the error was pointed out, it was immediately corrected.

you recall wrong. It was left on his official web page for months. It was a story oft repeated. The "retraction" was tossed out like a used hankie.


You can't unring a bell

995 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:26:36am

re: #983 JustMyView

Again, a lie differs from a mistake in that it involves intent. If you have evidence that Obama intended to falsify his great-uncle's war experience, you should present it. What I recall is that, once the error was pointed out, it was immediately corrected.

How long was that nonsense on his web site?

996 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:27:09am

re: #983 JustMyView

Again, a lie differs from a mistake in that it involves intent. If you have evidence that Obama intended to falsify his great-uncle's war experience, you should present it. What I recall is that, once the error was pointed out, it was immediately corrected.


His great uncles experience should have no effect on 0bama as it seems he has had very little contact with him. 0 should have never brought it up except he has so little in his own life to bring up and needed something to counter McCains war record. Shame that so many ate it right up, and now we are paying the price for electing the personification of the emporer and his new clothes.

997 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:27:27am

re: #968 Walter L. Newton

So Obama said he heard it from Charlie, but he didn't, tells us he did. Obama heard it from his grandparents, who told it wrong, Obama tells use the wrong information is from Charlie. And then, Obama tells the world this information, twice wrong, and he and/or his advisors never even catch the simple error about which camp in which country, so now, a third time something is misspoke.

This guy is on a role.

Bad, Obama, Bad.

He got away with this before, so he figures why change it now?

998 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:27:28am

re: #989 3 wood

Actually, that town name is some old Gaelic word, IIRCC

The Irish colonized Viet Nam?

*spinning head*

999 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:27:28am

re: #988 MandyManners

That's right! His experience is more important than THE TRUTH.

"THE TRUTH IS WHAT WE SAY IT IS!"
Ned Beatty (Sniper)

1000 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:27:35am

re: #968 Walter L. Newton


This guy is on a role roll.


FTFY

1001 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:27:47am

re: #993 Spenser (with an S)

Thanks, someone else suggested that too. She's got a flute that she'll be playing next year so we'll try to find a course of study there too.


Excellent. And leave her some free time to just be a kid. They can get too booked up in outside activities.

1002 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:28:32am

re: #996 soxfan4life

His great uncles experience should have no effect on 0bama as it seems he has had very little contact with him. 0 should have never brought it up except he has so little in his own life to bring up and needed something to counter McCains war record. Shame that so many ate it right up, and now we are paying the price for electing the personification of the emporer and his new clothes.

Remember the "me-too" bracelet?

1003 badger1970  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:28:44am

Since this is an open thread... Last night my 15 week old puppy was licking his, let's say, private parts, he rolled to his back and it looked like a huge alien worm protruded from that area. After taking a few breaths when it retracted, I put the phone down before making an idiot of myself and figured out what it was. *doh*

My previous dog was a neutered adult so this was my first experience with doggy adolescence. My "Well Behaved Puppy" book didn't mention this.

1004 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:28:56am

re: #1000 JustMyView

FTFY

Yea, I caught that after I posted, but I figured you would waste all our time correcting it, so, hell, not my bandwidth. What ever yanks your crank.

1005 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:29:07am

re: #999 VegasRick

"THE TRUTH IS WHAT WE SAY IT IS!"
Ned Beatty (Sniper)

SQUEAAALLL.

1006 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:29:25am

re: #997 Spare O'Lake

He got away with this before, so he figures why change it now?

but, but, what about hope and change?///

1007 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:29:34am

re: #1003 badger1970

Since this is an open thread... Last night my 15 week old puppy was licking his, let's say, private parts, he rolled to his back and it looked like a huge alien worm protruded from that area. After taking a few breaths when it retracted, I put the phone down before making an idiot of myself and figured out what it was. *doh*

My previous dog was a neutered adult so this was my first experience with doggy adolescence. My "Well Behaved Puppy" book didn't mention this.

That's because he wasn't being well behaved :)

1008 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:29:39am

re: #1000 JustMyView

FTFY

JustMyViewBlindAllegianceToThe0ne

ftfy

1009 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:29:40am

re: #1003 badger1970

LOL!

1010 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:29:46am

re: #1000 JustMyView

FTFY

Oh, you fucking piss-ant. You're more juvenile than The Kid.

1011 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:30:04am

re: #999 VegasRick

"THE TRUTH IS WHAT WE SAY IT IS!"
Ned Beatty (Sniper)

Shooter, actually. (Sniper was the one with Tom Berenger.)

Shooter was a disappointing movie. Some interesting and, by Hollywood standards, reasonably accurate (IMHO) militaria, unfortunately freighted with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

1012 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:30:17am

re: #1002 MandyManners

Remember the "me-too" bracelet?

That is probably collecting dust on a shelf somewhere now, but will reappear in time to run for reelection.

1013 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:30:20am

re: #979 yma o hyd

Of course, the outcome won't be known before Monday, but here's a nice quote from that link:

'The full projection for the European elections forecasts that the new anti-federalist conservative group being formed by British Tory leader David Cameron and allies in the Czech Republic and Poland will become the fourth-largest bloc in the European Parliament with 53 seats. They will be followed closely by Greens on 50.'

If the votes for the European Parliament here in the UK shadow those for the local councils, then the Tories here may win a few more seats as projected.

I've been following the Labour Party, and to a lesser extent the Conservatives, snouts in the trough troubles, and it's just awful to think these pollies consider themselves above any rules, regulations, laws...

Our first Minister resigned yesterday after a series of similar things , all of which were detrimental to the taxpayer, and he is really a very ordinary pollie anyway, who only got into Parliament because his Dad was a pollie too

1014 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:30:44am

re: #1003 badger1970

Since this is an open thread... Last night my 15 week old puppy was licking his, let's say, private parts, he rolled to his back and it looked like a huge alien worm protruded from that area. After taking a few breaths when it retracted, I put the phone down before making an idiot of myself and figured out what it was. *doh*

My previous dog was a neutered adult so this was my first experience with doggy adolescence. My "Well Behaved Puppy" book didn't mention this.

ROFLMAO!

1015 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:30:47am

re: #1001 redstateredneck

Will do, she's quite a non-stressed kid and our "staycation" (stupid phrase) is a membership at our neighborhood pool so she'll have some good relax time. Oddly, her favorite thing is going to the Farmers Market.

1016 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:31:00am

re: #991 Capitalist Tool

The weirdest of Obama's repeated non-facts is that of the number of Muslims in the country. That's not a number that anyone could expect him to have off the top of his head, so he obviously would've looked it up prior to making mentions of it in numerous statements. Did he see the actual figure and actively decide that it didn't sound big enough, so he made up his own number? To what end? Is he just lying for the sake of lying?
Makes no sense to me.

1017 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:31:06am

re: #1004 Walter L. Newton

Yea, I caught that after I posted, but I figured you would waste all our time correcting it, so, hell, not my bandwidth. What ever yanks your crank.

Oh the extra apostrophes above are for you, enjoy!

1018 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:31:31am

re: #1011 Occasional Reader

Shooter, actually. (Sniper was the one with Tom Berenger.)

Shooter was a disappointing movie. Some interesting and, by Hollywood standards, reasonably accurate (IMHO) militaria, unfortunately freighted with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

was that the movie based on the Stephen Hunter book, the Sniper?...ever read hi stuff?

1019 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:31:49am

re: #973 Occasional Reader

And during Obama's entire subsequent adult life, including his Ivy League education, he never learned the basic facts about WWII?!

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts". The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that.

1020 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:31:54am

re: #994 sattv4u2

you recall wrong. It was left on his official web page for months. It was a story oft repeated. The "retraction" was tossed out like a used hankie.


You can't unring a bell

They continue to think that nobody will call them on this stuff. Indeed, the MSM never does, and their biggest fans would never bother to check.

1021 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:31:59am

re: #1004 Walter L. Newton

Yea, I caught that after I posted, but I figured you would waste all our time correcting it, so, hell, not my bandwidth. What ever yanks your crank.

I liked it just fine as "role" because that accurately describes O - after all he is quite the actor!

1022 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:32:11am

re: #1015 Spenser (with an S)

Will do, she's quite a non-stressed kid and our "staycation" (stupid phrase) is a membership at our neighborhood pool so she'll have some good relax time. Oddly, her favorite thing is going to the Farmers Market.

Damn, I miss being a kid. Riding my bike to the pool. Hanging out. Summer used to last forever.

1023 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:32:17am

re: #1011 Occasional Reader

Shooter, actually. (Sniper was the one with Tom Berenger.)

Shooter was a disappointing movie. Some interesting and, by Hollywood standards, reasonably accurate (IMHO) militaria, unfortunately freighted with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

That's right. I still loved the movie though. And seeing Danny Glover get capped was cool.

1024 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:32:33am

re: #753 Kenneth

My uncle served in the Royal Canadian Air Force and died somewhere in the North Sea, before D-Day. He was 20 years old. My grandfather served in WWI and was badly wounded in a small battle a month before the Battle of the Somme. Ironically, it probably saved his life.

So I take the slight very personally.


It's strange ya know - a whole lotta folks seem to feel the same way you do. And I am HONESTLY SURPRISED that President Obama wasn't more completely and fully briefed before he went. At best he came off as "aloof" and "uncaring" - except of course for his great-uncle and at worst was seen as STUPID when it comes to the single largest War, the single largest and most important amphibious invasion, the freeing of more people and the death and misery of more people than any other war in history, even if it all DID occur before he was born.

1025 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:32:34am

re: #975 Killgore Trout

Bite me.

I have been very nice to you, I have been complimentary of you and encouraging in this discussion.

And then you say that to me.

That was really uncalled for.

I hope you have a nice day.

1026 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:32:44am

re: #1019 JustMyView

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts". The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that.

whoa there...how can you separate one from the other?...that makes no sense

1027 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:33:19am

re: #1012 soxfan4life

That is probably collecting dust on a shelf somewhere now, but will reappear in time to run for reelection.

I had the link to the YouTube video but, it's been yanked due to copyright violation.

1028 badger1970  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:33:31am

re: #968 Walter L. Newton

I think the phrase is "You better check yourself" would apply. Used by teachers, Drill Sergeants and parents to give guidance before making a complete ass out of someone about to step in the proverbial hole.

1029 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:33:38am

re: #995 MandyManners

It was up for over a year on his campaign website & for several weeks even after the speech.

1030 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:33:52am

re: #1022 redstateredneck

Damn, I miss being a kid. Riding my bike to the pool. Hanging out. Summer used to last forever.

Thats when girls had cooties right?

Thems were the days.

1031 Miss Trixie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:34:02am

Morning {realwest} *smoochie-smoochie*

Glad to see you've rain today - we've finally got a sky full of sunshine and it's going to be gorgeous all weekend. Yay!

1032 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:34:17am

re: #998 MandyManners

The Irish colonized Viet Nam?

*spinning head*

No :)

The english translation of old Gaelic words can end up with some odd spellings is all.

1033 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:34:44am

re: #1019 JustMyView

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts".

Um... Auschwitz is, far and away, the best known camp. It is not some mere historical footnote, known only to WWII buffs.

And the fact that it's in Poland? Hell, Obama could have picked that up by watching Schindler's List.

And the fact that the Soviets were the ones who "liberated" Poland? I certainly hope Obama knew that... don't you?

1034 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:34:48am

re: #1030 Mithrax

What, girls don't really have cooties.///

1035 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:35:14am

re: #1018 albusteve

was that the movie based on the Stephen Hunter book, the Sniper?...ever read hi stuff?

Not familiar with him.

1036 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:35:17am

re: #1019 JustMyView

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts". The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that.

Um...'''...'''
*trying to keep him preoccupied.

1037 jcbunga  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:35:27am

Conservatives Are More Easily Disgusted

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Stories like this make me sick/

1038 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:35:35am

re: #1019 JustMyView

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts". The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that.

Sez you.

1039 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:35:43am

re: #1019 JustMyView

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts". The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that.

NO HE WAS NOT. He got the names of the camps wrong as well as who liberated them.

Why the hell I'm bashing my head over this is beyond me.

1040 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:35:50am

re: #1003 badger1970

Awww ...!

Something similar happened to me, with the Big Dog, our first (and neutered) dog.
I wondered what I could feel on his tummy, low down, big and hard. Next day it was gone ... then it came back again ... before I rang the vet, I realised it was actually his bladder, and not a forgotten body part which we had been told had been removed ...

:-)

1041 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:36:21am

re: #1019 JustMyView

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts". The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that.

The Japanese bombed Pawleys Island South Carolina and shortly after the US declared war on Spain

wha!?!?! They are names and locations of a particular American Island and a European country, so I was entirely correct about that!

1042 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:37:19am

re: #789 Iron Fist

Could be worse. My girlfriend is nicknamed "Mafia Princess". When she's not happy, the Family is not happy...

:-)

Leave the gun, take the cannoli's.

1043 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:37:20am

re: #1032 3 wood

No :)

The english translation of old Gaelic words can end up with some odd spellings is all.

I was trying to introduce some absurd comedy.

1044 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:37:29am

re: #1000 JustMyView
You seem exactly like one of those paid- liar talking heads who the left trots out continuously all over the MSM to defend their BS by twisting semantics and outright BS.
You also fall apart when your lies don't hold up, just like they do.
You're busted.

Which one (talking head liar) are you, really?

1045 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:37:58am

re: #1041 sattv4u2

The Japanese bombed Pawleys Island South Carolina and shortly after the US declared war on Spain

wha!?!?! They are names and locations of a particular American Island and a European country, so I was entirely correct about that!

As long as the intent is there don't worry about facts, as they are becoming irrelevant.

1046 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:38:06am

re: #1019 JustMyView

If a man running for president does not know the simplest facts about WWII and where his country fought, (hint, it wasn't Poland) he simply is not qualified to be Commander in Chief. Period.

1047 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:38:27am

re: #1035 Occasional Reader

Not familiar with him.

if you like guns, and shootouts and man adventures this guy is the best pulp out there...the movie was based on one of his early books..good, fast, fun reading


[Link: www.fantasticfiction.co.uk...]

1048 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:38:29am

re: #1019 JustMyView

The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that it can be spun to serve the greater glory of The One, and that's all that's important.

1049 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:38:44am

re: #1013 aussiemagpie

Its been an amazing four weeks here - the Tories, thanks to Dave Cameron, coming out much better than NuLab and Gord.

The bloodletting in the Labour Party is stupendous - Brown has been forced to reshuffle his cabinet, as minister after minster has resigned and is resigning, some with a pretty flounce-off letter.

Since he's staying, we hope there will be an election this autumn, and not next year.

1050 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:38:59am

re: #801 Kenneth

So he says. But a college friend of his was quoted as saying, "You couldn't force Obama to study history. He hated it."

George W. Bush, on the other hand, has a BA in History from Yale and was a life-long reader of history.

Now wait just a minute...that's going too far. Everone knows Obama had no friends in college or in Law School, unless they turned up after the election!

1051 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:39:10am

re: #1039 MandyManners

NO HE WAS NOT. He got the names of the camps wrong as well as who liberated them.

Why the hell I'm bashing my head over this is beyond me.

My post had to do with "the basic facts of WW'II", which someone above referred to. What I was saying was that which camp Charlie Payne entered was not one of the basic facts of WWII.

1052 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:39:17am

re: #1019 JustMyView

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts". The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that.

And, of, course, he, was, entirely, correct, about, our, fallen, veterans...

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today – our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

Obama has a real knack for not thinking carefully when it comes to our military history, the men and woman who fight for this country and how we how we have fought for freedom world wide.

Input? (watch the snark on the first sentence, waiting)

1053 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:40:04am

re: #1046 Kenneth

If a man running for president does not know the simplest facts about WWII and where his country fought, (hint, it wasn't Poland) he simply is not qualified to be Commander in Chief. Period.

not to ramble but I agree

1054 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:40:15am

re: #975 Killgore Trout

Bite me.

Sounds like you have a lot of anger.

1055 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:40:18am

re: #1052 Walter L. Newton

Did he really say that?

1056 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:40:33am

re: #1049 yma o hyd

What's your view of Cameron? I've heard a lot of conservative criticism of him.

1057 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:40:38am
1058 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:40:50am

re: #1030 Mithrax

Thats when girls had cooties right?

Thems were the days.

I'll have you know I am cootie free. Boys, on the other hand...
Good thing I had my cootie vaccination (Schaeffer cartridge pen x on left bicep)

1059 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:40:53am

re: #1055 Capitalist Tool

Did he really say that?

Yes, it was widely reported...

[Link: www.luoamerican.com...]

1060 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:41:07am

re: #1055 Capitalist Tool

Did he really say that?


Candidate 0bama said it in 2008.

1061 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:41:24am

re: #1044 Capitalist Tool

You seem exactly like one of those paid- liar talking heads who the left trots out continuously all over the MSM to defend their BS by twisting semantics and outright BS.
You also fall apart when your lies don't hold up, just like they do.
You're busted.

Which one (talking head liar) are you, really?

JMV is busy checking Walter for typos in a pathetic attempt to make Walter look stupid.

1062 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:41:31am

re: #1057 FrogMarch

Why are conservatives so mean?

Because we have to deal with mindless drones.

1063 Kragar  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:41:31am

re: #1052 Walter L. Newton

And, of, course, he, was, entirely, correct, about, our, fallen, veterans...

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today – our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

Obama has a real knack for not thinking carefully when it comes to our military history, the men and woman who fight for this country and how we how we have fought for freedom world wide.

Input? (watch the snark on the first sentence, waiting)

Obama has no concern for actual events or history. He is only concerned with how it should be according to his views.

1064 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:41:32am

re: #1019 JustMyView

The basic fact of this story is that Obama's great-uncle was among the first American troops to enter one of the camps, and Obama was entirely correct about that.

If he had the details correct, I would have been positively impressed by Obama's respect for the history of the US military. But as he got the basic facts wrong, and any American should know that US troops did not fight in Poland, it showed how Obama cynically uses anecdotes like this to make himself look important.

1065 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:41:37am

re: #1052 Walter L. Newton

as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today

Plot spoiler, Mr. President: BRUCE WILLIS IS DEAD, TOO!

1066 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:42:07am

re: #1041 sattv4u2

The Japanese bombed Pawleys Island South Carolina and shortly after the US declared war on Spain

wha!?!?! They are names and locations of a particular American Island and a European country, so I was entirely correct about that!

Sorry, this is a ridiculous example. A better analogy would be, say, mixing up Guam and Iwo Jima.

1067 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:42:44am

re: #1037 jcbunga

Conservatives Are More Easily Disgusted

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Stories like this make me sick/

That is the biggest load of crap I've ever read.

1068 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:43:12am

re: #1051 JustMyView

My post had to do with "the basic facts of WW'II", which someone above referred to. What I was saying was that which camp Charlie Payne entered was not one of the basic facts of WWII.

Horsefeathers! You are confusing the personal with the historical. One's memories of what one is told are not more important than historical truth.

1069 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:43:12am

re: #1049 yma o hyd

Its been an amazing four weeks here - the Tories, thanks to Dave Cameron, coming out much better than NuLab and Gord.

The bloodletting in the Labour Party is stupendous - Brown has been forced to reshuffle his cabinet, as minister after minster has resigned and is resigning, some with a pretty flounce-off letter.

Since he's staying, we hope there will be an election this autumn, and not next year.

The very last thing Gordon Brown needs now is an early election!

I'm surprised Alistair Darling is still there, he must be on the skids too surely - in charge of making sure sure you all hand over money correctly yet feathering his own nest!

1070 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:43:20am

re: #801 Kenneth

So he says. But a college friend of his was quoted as saying, "You couldn't force Obama to study history. He hated it."

Source?

1071 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:43:56am

Got some workers here. BBIAB

1072 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:44:58am

re: #1064 Kenneth

If he had the details correct, I would have been positively impressed by Obama's respect for the history of the US military. But as he got the basic facts wrong, and any American should know that US troops did not fight in Poland, it showed how Obama cynically uses anecdotes like this to make himself look important.

To be absolutely fair, I remember watching an episode this season of CSI New York which (in what excess of what, one does not know, or wish to speculate) had American Troops at Auschwitz.

1073 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:45:04am

re: #1044 Capitalist Tool

You seem exactly like one of those paid- liar talking heads who the left trots out continuously all over the MSM to defend their BS by twisting semantics and outright BS.
You also fall apart when your lies don't hold up, just like they do.
You're busted.

Which one (talking head liar) are you, really?

Just my view...hmmm. It's either Joy, Bawbawa or Whoopie!

1074 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:45:32am

re: #1051 JustMyView

My post had to do with "the basic facts of WW'II", which someone above referred to. What I was saying was that which camp Charlie Payne entered was not one of the basic facts of WWII.

You're reaching with this. A basic fact of WWII is that the Russians liberated Auschwitz which was located in Poland (even a quick Wiki search brings that up). Charlie Payne was with the American Army which did not liberate Auschwitz. Basic facts would tell you Obama made a gaffe.

1075 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:45:32am
1076 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:45:46am

re: #1070 JustMyView

Who needs a source? He probably just heard it from his grandparents, so don't blame him if it turns out to be untrue.

1077 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:46:02am

The honeymoon for the One is coming to a close I suspect:

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

1078 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:46:49am

re: #1066 JustMyView

Sorry, this is a ridiculous example. A better analogy would be, say, mixing up Guam and Iwo Jima.

And Obama's grasp of world events, ESPECIALLY one purported to include his own releative is RIDICULOUS
We're not talking about some guy running a blog misstating the world as he sees it. We're talking about the man that was vying to become the leader of the free world.
He and Hillary (amongst others) have this NEED in them to inject themselves into ANYTHING important or relevent

Ever see the movie Zelig? I suggest you do and Woody Allens character could easily be replaced by either Hillary or The 0ne

1079 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:46:58am

re: #1056 Occasional Reader

What's your view of Cameron? I've heard a lot of conservative criticism of him.

I think he's coming into his own. He has got rid - thanks to moats and duck houses and such - of most of the old tory grandees, and has gor a lot of very interesting young people on board. He has taken on large amounts of the proposals for a reform of political life which was published ina book called 'The Plan', one of the authors is daniel Hannan who shot to youtube fame with his unprecedented attack on Brown in front of the European Parliament.

I think Cameron 'gets' it - and he has some excellent people in his shadow cabinet as well.
The wins in the local elections so far show that the people are willing to listen to him and to vote Tory, rather than NuLab and even rather than LibDem.

1080 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:47:03am

re: #1024 realwest

...he came off as "aloof" and "uncaring" ...

It's the narcissism, dude.

DSM IV-TR criteria

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, people (or institutions) who are also "special" or of high status.
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement
6. is interpersonally exploitative
7. lacks empathy
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

1081 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:47:12am

re: #1051 JustMyView

My post had to do with "the basic facts of WW'II", which someone above referred to. What I was saying was that which camp Charlie Payne entered was not one of the basic facts of WWII.

Mandy already called you on this ridiculous rhetorical dodge, of course.

"My grandpa was there when the U.S. Army invaded Moscow in World War II!"

Um... that didn't happen.

"Oh, it's a mere detail, where my grandpa was on any particular date in 1945. How am I expected to know that?"

1082 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:48:11am

Going to forage for food.

BBL

1083 badger1970  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:48:45am

When someone is spoon-fed information, they won't retain it, won't be able to interpret it and won't be able to teach it.

What we have here is a POTUS who is a word reader cramming for exams, day in, day out.

I hate to say it, but if he was going to make an important anecdote in a speech or an interview, it becomes etched it stone for everyone to see. The bell cannot be unrung. He's been found lacking.

1084 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:49:04am

re: #1068 MandyManners

Horsefeathers! You are confusing the personal with the historical. One's memories of what one is told are not more important than historical truth.

Of course not. Again, when Obama learned that the story he'd heard from his grandparents was incorrect, he issued a correction--thereby acknowledging not only the validity of the public historical record but its greater reliability compared to his family story.

1085 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:49:58am

re: #1072 Dianna

To be absolutely fair, I remember watching an episode this season of CSI New York which (in what excess of what, one does not know, or wish to speculate) had American Troops at Auschwitz.

Reminds me of one of the more bizarre lines in an otherwise great movie, Casablanca. Capt. Renault, responding to Major Strasser's comment about "blundering" Americans, says "well, I was with them with they blundered their way into Berlin in 1918." It's rather surprising that astonishingly ahistorical line made it into the movie, considering WWI was comfortably within living memory at the time.

1086 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:50:11am

re: #1057 FrogMarch

Why are conservatives so mean?

'liberty is full of risk and unequal outcomes'.
Upding for sure!

1087 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:50:18am

Next time The One sends flowers to the Islamic world, he should have them delivered by Barney the dinosaur -- he'd give a much more challenging speech.
For once Joy Behar is right... sometimes you have to tell the kids on the playground to play nice.
Accept the applause and admiration of the masses for your mesmerizing display of "suaveglibity" -- that's the way the deer-in-the-headlight progressives seek change, especially when they can run back into the schoolhouse and tweak the process with a 7,000-mile-long screwdriver.
If it wasn't for mistaken thought processes like those displayed by Imperialist Bush and Hard-liner Netanyahu, we'd have whirled peas by lunchtime.
She's right in her assessment of BHO, not her philosophy.

1088 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:50:21am

re: #1069 aussiemagpie

The very last thing Gordon Brown needs now is an early election!

I'm surprised Alistair Darling is still there, he must be on the skids too surely - in charge of making sure sure you all hand over money correctly yet feathering his own nest!

Darling, according to the latest news, has twisted Brown's arms, saying if Brown takes the Exchequer away from him, he'll stand down as well - and Brown cannot afford to lose any more top ministers.
Also - Darling is well liked in the Labour party, unlike his supposed replacement, ed balls, who is loathed right across the board, in spite or probably because he is a Brown toady.

The expenses scandal, for Brown, doesn't come into it ...

1089 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:50:50am

re: #1084 JustMyView

Of course not. Again, when Obama learned that the story he'd heard from his grandparents was incorrect, he issued a correction--thereby acknowledging not only the validity of the public historical record but its greater reliability compared to his family story.

Oh. My. God.

1090 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:51:07am

re: #1085 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of one of the more bizarre lines in an otherwise great movie, Casablanca. Capt. Renault, responding to Major Strasser's comment about "blundering" Americans, says "well, I was with them with they blundered their way into Berlin in 1918." It's rather surprising that astonishingly ahistorical line made it into the movie, considering WWI was comfortably within living memory at the time.

explanation: the movie was made by Hollywood liberal elites

1091 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:51:24am

how do you say brother in Spanish? I'm too lazy to look it up.

1092 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:51:32am

re: #1084 JustMyView

Of course not. Again, when Obama learned that the story he'd heard from his grandparents was incorrect, he issued a correction--thereby acknowledging not only the validity of the public historical record but its greater reliability compared to his family story.

And AGAIN,,then research it or keep your mouth shut. Research 1st,,, Tell the story later

How hard would it have been to say

"Hey,,, Uncle Charlie,,, ganma and granpa told me you were at Auschwitz ,,, geee ,, I'd REALLY like to hear that story!"

1093 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:51:42am

re: #1084 JustMyView

Yeah, he only had to issue a correction because his ass got fact checked. I don't know about you, but I constantly fact check family history because most relatives of mine tended to inflate our family connections. As well, it appeared that he didn't pay much attention to modern history in school.

1094 aussiemagpie  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:51:49am

Goodnight {everyone} and have a great yesterday!

We don't have mountains but we do have big hills, with snow in winter to keep skiers happy for a few weeks...so here's a view of OZ for you

Thredbo, a lovely little town in summer, and a hub for skiers in winter

1095 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:52:02am

re: #1079 yma o hyd

Thanks for your take... very interesting.

1096 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:52:17am

re: #1076 Lincolntf

Who needs a source? He probably just heard it from his grandparents, so don't blame him if it turns out to be untrue.

*snort*

1097 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:52:18am

re: #1003 badger1970

Since this is an open thread... Last night my 15 week old puppy was licking his, let's say, private parts, he rolled to his back and it looked like a huge alien worm protruded from that area. After taking a few breaths when it retracted, I put the phone down before making an idiot of myself and figured out what it was. *doh*

My previous dog was a neutered adult so this was my first experience with doggy adolescence. My "Well Behaved Puppy" book didn't mention this.


That's a little too "open" thread.

1098 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:52:31am

re: #1051 JustMyView

What I was saying was that which camp Charlie Payne entered was not one of the basic facts of WWII.

No, you were not saying that. This is what you said:

re: #1019 JustMyView

Sorry, the names and locations of particular Nazi concentration camps and which military forces liberated each of them are not "basic facts".

You may be to thick to realize this , but you have just been caught in an embarrassing bit of intellectual dishonesty.

GAZE.

1099 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:52:44am

re: #1094 aussiemagpie

Goodnight aussiemagpie. Sweet dreams.

1100 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:53:17am

re: #1084 JustMyView

Of course not. Again, when Obama learned that the story he'd heard from his grandparents was incorrect, he issued a correction--thereby acknowledging not only the validity of the public historical record but its greater reliability compared to his family story.

I do that at work all the time. I fuck up here, I fuck up there, and because of all my fuck ups, I constantly validate that those fucking ways I do things are fucked up, and I am fucking myself by continuing to fuck up.

You fuck up.

1101 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:53:29am

re: #1093 BlueCanuck

Why would he pay attention to modern history when he plans to revise it.

1102 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:53:41am

re: #1085 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of one of the more bizarre lines in an otherwise great movie, Casablanca. Capt. Renault, responding to Major Strasser's comment about "blundering" Americans, says "well, I was with them with they blundered their way into Berlin in 1918." It's rather surprising that astonishingly ahistorical line made it into the movie, considering WWI was comfortably within living memory at the time.

He could have been talking about some Doughboys on leave, rather than the whole AEF.

1103 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:54:25am

re: #1100 Walter L. Newton

I do that at work all the time. I fuck up here, I fuck up there, and because of all my fuck ups, I constantly validate that those fucking ways I do things are fucked up, and I am fucking myself by continuing to fuck up.

You fuck up.

Fuck yea!

1104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:55:02am

re: #1091 CommonCents

how do you say brother in Spanish? I'm too lazy to look it up.

el brothero
/

1105 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:55:03am

re: #1098 Kenneth

GAZE

.

Game, set, match.

By the way, I wonder how Iranian bloggers express that same idea; since, as we all know, there are no GAZE in Iran.

1106 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:55:07am

re: #1068 MandyManners

Horsefeathers! You are confusing the personal with the historical. One's memories of what one is told are not more important than historical truth.

Particularly when historical truth is so very easy to verify.

1107 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:55:20am

re: #1100 Walter L. Newton

I do that at work all the time. I fuck up here, I fuck up there, and because of all my fuck ups, I constantly validate that those fucking ways I do things are fucked up, and I am fucking myself by continuing to fuck up.

You fuck up.

Thanks for the wrap-up Tony Montana.

1108 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:55:54am

re: #1100 Walter L. Newton

I do that at work all the time. I fuck up here, I fuck up there, and because of all my fuck ups, I constantly validate that those fucking ways I do things are fucked up, and I am fucking myself by continuing to fuck up.

You fuck up.

Did you study under Mamet?

1109 Kragar  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:56:05am

re: #1105 Occasional Reader

.

Game, set, match.

By the way, I wonder how Iranian bloggers express that same idea; since, as we all know, there are no GAZE in Iran.

FATWA

1110 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:56:08am

re: #1091 CommonCents

how do you say brother in Spanish? I'm too lazy to look it up.

"Hermano. Demasiado perezoso mirarlo para arriba."

1111 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:56:15am

re: #1105 Occasional Reader

.

Game, set, match.

By the way, I wonder how Iranian bloggers express that same idea; since, as we all know, there are no GAZE in Iran.

I think they turn the other cheek.

1112 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:56:26am

re: #1104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

el brothero
/

Is that Spanglish or Spanish, VictorioMonkeyo?

1113 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:56:36am

re: #1107 CommonCents

Thanks for the wrap-up Tony Montana.

Who is tony Montana?

1114 Kragar  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:56:58am

re: #1113 Walter L. Newton

Who is tony Montana?

Scarface

1115 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:56:59am

re: #1108 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Did you study under Mamet?

No,,, but the wife just bought a new front door mamet, does that count?

1116 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:56:59am

re: #1102 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He could have been talking about some Doughboys on leave, rather than the whole AEF.

Not sure if you're being serious... highly doubtful there were even any US doughboys on leave in Berlin during any part of 1918, considering the year was mostly over on the date the Armistice was signed.

1117 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:57:03am

re: #1113 Walter L. Newton

Joe's little brother?

1118 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:57:05am

re: #1110 wrenchwench

"Hermano. Demasiado perezoso mirarlo para arriba."

I'm only a little less lazy. I used Babelfish.

1119 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:57:10am

re: #1098 Kenneth

You may be to thick to realize this , but you have just been caught in an embarrassing bit of intellectual dishonesty.

GAZE.

JMV is a basic facts denier.

1120 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:57:12am

re: #1113 Walter L. Newton

Who is tony Montana?

Scarface.

1121 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:57:15am

re: #1108 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Did you study under Mamet?

No, there is not enough pauses in that paragraph.

1122 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:57:34am

re: #1113 Walter L. Newton

Who is tony Montana?

Pacino's character in Scarface

1123 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:57:40am

re: #1104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

el brothero
/

Excellent. Now, use in a sentence:

Mi brothero just dropped the chalupa

1124 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:57:43am

re: #1085 Occasional Reader

Invading Iraq Morocco was a distraction from the war against the real enemy. The Iraqis Moroccans had nothing to do with 9/11 Pearl Harbor!

1125 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:58:16am
1126 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:58:27am

re: #1110 wrenchwench

"Hermano. Demasiado perezoso mirarlo para arriba."


[cringing]

Yes, folks, online translation is still in its infancy.

1127 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:58:33am

re: #1100 Walter L. Newton

I do that at work all the time. I fuck up here, I fuck up there, and because of all my fuck ups, I constantly validate that those fucking ways I do things are fucked up, and I am fucking myself by continuing to fuck up.

You fuck up.

I see you've been reading my book again, the one about how to run/ruin your own life, you fucking- up plagiarist.

1128 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:58:40am

re: #1120 VegasRick

Scarface.

I don't know who that is? I look it up. I don't like gangsters. I was raised in Brooklyn in the 1950's, I saw my fair share of that shit on the streets and businesses.

1129 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:58:44am

re: #1074 Honorary Yooper

You're reaching with this. A basic fact of WWII is that the Russians liberated Auschwitz which was located in Poland (even a quick Wiki search brings that up). Charlie Payne was with the American Army which did not liberate Auschwitz. Basic facts would tell you Obama made a gaffe.

What's basic and what's not depends on how close one is to the subject. You say that the identity of the liberators of Auschwitz is a basic fact, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a number of people reading this conversation right now who wouldn't have known that Auschwitz was in Poland and that it was liberated by the Russians if this issue hadn't come up last summer.

Think of all the fields in which you're not an expert. Do you think what you think of as the "basics of evolution" are the same as what an evolutionary biologist thinks?

1130 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:59:42am

re: #1121 Walter L. Newton

No, there is not enough pauses in that paragraph.

Scarface - the 1:39 version.

1131 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:00:39am

JMV - Gaze mode.

1132 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:03am

re: #1126 Occasional Reader

[cringing]

Yes, folks, online translation is still in its infancy.

It was close enough for me. If it's got the right words in the wrong order it's better than just saying a bunch of shit and claiming to be a student of said shit.

1133 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:12am

re: #1091 CommonCents

how do you say brother in Spanish? I'm too lazy to look it up.

Hermano, no tilde.

1134 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:19am

JUSTMYVIEW.

Let's see Obama got WWII wrong, so who lied to him on his comment about (more Muslims in the US than the rest of the world)

Another mistake.

1135 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:24am

re: #1129 JustMyView

I think that you betray yourself...
ever heard of the first rule of holes?

1136 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:24am

re: #1113 Walter L. Newton

Who is tony Montana?

Meet Tony and his little friend.

1137 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:36am

re: #1128 Walter L. Newton

I don't know who that is? I look it up. I don't like gangsters. I was raised in Brooklyn in the 1950's, I saw my fair share of that shit on the streets and businesses.

Check my #1130 for the short version.

1138 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:44am

re: #1128 Walter L. Newton

I don't know who that is? I look it up. I don't like gangsters. I was raised in Brooklyn in the 1950's, I saw my fair share of that shit on the streets and businesses.

It was an appropriate reference because every other word he used in the movie was fuck.

1139 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:48am

re: #1125 taxfreekiller

It's more like he is on his prayer rug facing Mecca call back in 15.

1140 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:01:54am

re: #1129 JustMyView

What's basic and what's not depends on how close one is to the subject. You say that the identity of the liberators of Auschwitz is a basic fact, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a number of people reading this conversation right now who wouldn't have known that Auschwitz was in Poland and that it was liberated by the Russians if this issue hadn't come up last summer.

Think of all the fields in which you're not an expert. Do you think what you think of as the "basics of evolution" are the same as what an evolutionary biologist thinks?

You know, you can spin this all you want, make cyclic arguments loaded with senseless rhetoric, but the bottom line is very simple.

Obama was giving this speech at ground zero of the Holocaust (Europe) and he should have made sure he had his facts straight before he started.

Period.

1141 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:02:06am

re: #1119 KenJen

JMV is a basic facts denier.

Is that similar to a Holocaust denier?

1142 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:02:11am

re: #1133 Dianna

Hermano, no tilde.

What does no tilde mean in spanish?
/

1143 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:02:20am

re: #884 Dustoff-507

LOL...

Now that left a mark!


I fucking hope so.

Like him or not, he is, as Killgore reminds us,The President of the U.S. and we do owe him an allegiance. But he, too, owes US and allegiance - to at least accurately represent what the US has done throughout it's history. This whole Apologia Tour - and the one that preceeded it, pisses me off. We have done a HELL OF A LOT MORE FOR the rest of the world than to it.

1144 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:02:20am

re: #1131 VegasRick


And we thought Obama could spin...

1145 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:02:37am

re: #1132 CommonCents

If it's got the right words in the wrong order

In this case, not really the right words. Overly-literal translation of "look it up".

1146 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:02:46am

re: #1130 VegasRick

that was pretty funny!...I booked it, thanks for that

1147 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:02:46am

The Gold Standard in the F-Bomb:

1148 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:02:53am

re: #1106 reine.de.tout

Particularly when historical truth is so very easy to verify.

To the touchy-feely folks for whom moral relativism is primary, historical truth is irrelevant.

1149 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:03:41am

re: #1142 CommonCents

What does no tilde mean in spanish?
/

That's ñone of your business.

1150 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:03:45am

re: #1143 realwest


BINGO... but dem's like him well never see that.

1151 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:04:27am

re: #1129 JustMyView

What's basic and what's not depends on how close one is to the subject. You say that the identity of the liberators of Auschwitz is a basic fact, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a number of people reading this conversation right now who wouldn't have known that Auschwitz was in Poland and that it was liberated by the Russians if this issue hadn't come up last summer.

Think of all the fields in which you're not an expert. Do you think what you think of as the "basics of evolution" are the same as what an evolutionary biologist thinks?

Just how fucking ignorant do you think Lizards are?

1152 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:04:29am

re: #1122 soxfan4life

Pacino's character in Scarface

Fun fact - the band Blink 182 got their name from the singer's cat, Blink, and the number of times Tony Montana says "fuck" in Scarface.

1153 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:04:32am

re: #1134 Dustoff-507

JUSTMYVIEW.

Let's see Obama got WWII wrong, so who lied to him on his comment about (more Muslims in the US than the rest of the world)

Another mistake.

I don't think he said there were more Muslims in the U.S. than in the rest of the world.

1154 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:04:53am

re: #1146 albusteve

that was pretty funny!...I booked it, thanks for that

You're welcome. Oh fuck! Did I just use an apostrophe!?

1155 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:04:59am

re: #1142 CommonCents

What does no tilde mean in spanish?
/

Ok, ya got me!

1156 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:05:28am

re: #1151 MandyManners

Just how fucking ignorant do you think Lizards are?

I think there's quite a lot of variability in what people know about various topics, just as there is in any large group.

1157 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:05:29am

re: #1003 badger1970

I guess you never saw the "red rocket" South Park episode.

1158 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:05:39am

re: #1134 Dustoff-507

JUSTMYVIEW.

Let's see Obama got WWII wrong, so who lied to him on his comment about (more Muslims in the US than the rest of the world)

Another mistake.

FCBBHO didn't say that. He said the U.S. is in the top half or so of countries with Muslim population.

1159 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:05:45am

re: #907 JustMyView
GAZE.

1160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:05:49am

re: #1151 MandyManners

but I'd be willing to bet that there are a number of people reading this conversation right now who wouldn't have known that Auschwitz was in Poland and that it was liberated by the Russians if this issue hadn't come up last summer.

Just how fucking ignorant do you think Lizards are?

I never realized there was a Poland until JMV brought it up!
/

1161 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:05:52am

re: #1129 JustMyView

You just don;t get "it", do you.

This wasn;'t someone sitting at the corner bar on a Friday night having beers with his buddies blowing through half his paycheck and telling embellished stories ("yeah ,,well last week those hot twins down the street invited me into their house and they were naked in the hot tub,,,)
Or some dad trying to impress his 6 year old son by embellishing the dads "glory days" on the high school gridiron where in the State Championship GAme dad ran for 500 yards, threw for another 400, scored all the touchdowns and extra points and blocked the opponents last second field goal to win the game

THIS IS THE MAN WHO AT THE TIME WAS VYING FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GREATEST NATION THIS WORLD HAS EVER WITNESSED

And all he or one of his many minions had to do was "BASIC FACT" check

1162 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:06:02am

re: #1142 CommonCents

What does no tilde mean in spanish?
/

Actually, it's Australian. Their national song is Waltzing No Tilde.

1163 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:07:19am

re: #1154 VegasRick

You're welcome. Oh fuck! Did I just use an apostrophe!?

who fucking cares?...fuck it

1164 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:07:39am

re: #1142 CommonCents

What does no tilde mean in spanish?
/

Use it in a sentence: "No, tilde kitchen floor, Juan. The kitchen! We're putting travertine in the bathroom."

1165 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:07:40am

re: #1162 subsailor68

Actually, it's Australian. Their national song is Waltzing No Tilde.

Youtube Video

An Asutralia pun? This might boomerang back on you.

1166 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:07:46am

re: #1158 MandyManners

"The United States is one of the largest Muslim countries on the planet" -BHO

In fact, it's 38th.

1167 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:07:47am

re: #1153 JustMyView

No, but what he did do was invent a pretty specific number "nearly seven million" of Muslims in the U.S. No government/reliable source would have provided this number as all estimates fall between 1.5 and 3.0 million. He made it up. I don't know why he did, but he did.

1168 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #1161 sattv4u2

You just don;t get "it", do you...

Oh, JFL gets it- just your standard propagandist at work...

1169 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:07:49am

re: #1162 subsailor68

Actually, it's Australian. Their national song is Waltzing No Tilde.


[Video]

I could listen to that tilde cows came home!

1170 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:07:51am

re: #1161 sattv4u2


Fact checking is only a requirement for Republicans.Feelings are what is important to the Dems.

1171 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:08:07am

re: #1153 JustMyView

Enjoy fool. From yesterdays news paper
(It is important to note that "if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world".

So says President Barack Obama. Or I should say: Barack Hussein Obama.)

1172 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:08:16am

re: #1160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I never realized there was a Poland until JMV brought it up!
/

Riiight! Where do you think all the pole dancers come from!
/

1173 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:08:23am

Qué coñazo, que la genta no saben lo que es una tilde!

1174 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:08:33am

re: #1166 Kenneth

"The United States is one of the largest Muslim countries on the planet" -BHO

In fact, it's 38th.

I couldn't recall if it was No. 38 or No. 32.

1175 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:08:38am

re: #1166 Kenneth

Our 57 states are full of Muslims.

1176 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:08:39am
1177 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:09:00am

re: #1165 Mad Al-Jaffee

An Asutralia pun? This might boomerang back on you.

Wallabee a monkey's uncle... it's a pun thread.

1178 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:09:25am

re: #1172 VegasRick

Riiight! Where do you think all the pole dancers come from!
/

And the Lapp dancers of course come from Finland.

1179 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:09:25am

re: #1163 albusteve

who fucking cares?...fuck it

Fuckin' A. Fuck! I just fucking did it again! Fuck!

1180 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:09:26am

The tilde is pronounced "nyah".

1181 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:09:35am

re: #1161 sattv4u2

I think the point that Just My View keeps missing is that it is one thing to share family stories among family, but if one is going to share them with the world you'd better CHECK YOUR FACTS.

1182 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:09:37am

re: #1162 subsailor68

Actually, it's Australian. Their national song is Waltzing No Tilde.


[Video]

I thought it was "Eidelweiss?"
/wait that's Austria. I always get them confused.

1183 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:10:03am

re: #1177 Occasional Reader

Wallabee a monkey's uncle... it's a pun thread.

You'll roo the day you posted that.

1184 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:10:04am

re: #1166 Kenneth

re: #1174 MandyManners

I thought according to the wiki page that Charles posted the other day it was 52nd?

1185 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:10:11am

Obama: Ich bein eine idolator:

President Obama's misquoted Sura 5:32 from the Holy Koran. That Sura
forms part of the Holy Koran's evidence that the Jewish people "nullified" (5:53) their covenant with GOD. (footnote 1). The more general argument of Sura 5 is that both the Jews and the Christians are guilty of violating their covenant with GOD - both Jews and Christians have violated their covenants with G-d, thus concluding that the true religion is revealed by Mohammad, and that Islam is the true and only message from G-d (see footnote 2)

Omitted and of great importance is the very next verse from the Holy Koran,

[5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger,
and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have
their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from
the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far
worse retribution in the Hereafter."

In other words, the quoted Sura justifies the murder of Jews and Christians
rather than forming a brotherhood with other people of the book, let alone
other religions.

Sura 5 is the infamous section which declares G-d turned the Jews into monkeys and pigs and G-d turned the Christians into idol worshipers (5:60).

Thus President Obama proclaiming his Christianity before the audience at Cairo, was declaring himself to be a pagan idolater rather than in brotherhood as a people of the book. President Obama's words, thus are on a par above President Kennedy's well intended declaration "Ich bein eine Berliner" (I am a jelly donut).

Disclaimer: The above is all speculative on my part for I am not a scholar of theology.

footnotes
1: [5:32] Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing.

FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD

Please, do note that some versions of the Talmud say "a single soul of Israel" rather than "a single soul". The meaning is generally acknowledged as meaning any human life because we all come from one person (Adam) and thus are related.

2: One of the main claims is that the Jews under Rabbinic Judaism corrupted the Torah, thus nullifying their covenant with G-d. Similarly the Holy Koran claims that Christians are idol worshipers (Sura 5:73: "Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity").

1186 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:10:26am

re: #944 Occasional Reader

I imagine they have great Vietnamese food there.


Yes, but only because it's so strongly influenced by French and Japanese cooking!

1187 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:10:38am

re: #1167 Lincolntf

He didn't make it up, it the official statistic straight from CAIR.

1188 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:10:44am

re: #1166 Kenneth

"The United States is one of the largest Muslim countries on the planet" -BHO

In fact, it's 38th.

But Obama feels we're one of the largest... and that's the important thing.

1189 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:10:55am

re: #1182 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I thought it was "Eidelweiss?"
/wait that's Austria. I always get them confused.

They speak Austrian in Austria and Australian in Australia.

1190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:11:03am

re: #1172 VegasRick

Riiight! Where do you think all the pole dancers come from!
/

I like Czeching out Pole dancers.

1191 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:11:09am

re: #1178 Occasional Reader

And the Lapp dancers of course come from Finland.

I dated a girl from Lickowania. Damn I miss her.

1192 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:11:11am

re: #1174 MandyManners


Like 50 or 57 states. LOL

1193 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:11:14am

Rush isn't a fan of Eli Weisel?

1194 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:11:27am

re: #1173 Occasional Reader

There you go, showing off you command of Latin again.

1195 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:11:52am

re: #1186 realwest

Yes, but only because it's so strongly influenced by French and Japanese cooking!


Isn't that the truth. (-:

1196 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:11:54am

re: #1184 BlueCanuck

re: #1174 MandyManners

I thought according to the wiki page that Charles posted the other day it was 52nd?

I get confused easily when it comes to numbers if I don't take off my shoes and socks.

1197 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:12:17am
1198 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:12:18am

re: #1181 VioletTiger

I think the point that Just My View keeps missing is that it is one thing to share family stories among family, but if one is going to share them with the world you'd better CHECK YOUR FACTS.

As I stated earlier. Both my father and uncle were in WW2. If Granma and/or Granpa told me a story about Uncle Johhnys exploits in Europe, the next time I see Uncle Johnny I say" Uncle Johnny, tell me about the day you captured Hitler"!

1199 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:12:43am

re: #1182 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I thought it was "Eidelweiss?"
/wait that's Austria. I always get them confused.

LOL! But when Christopher Plummer and Julie Andrews sang it, well - just wonderful!

1200 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:13:06am

re: #1184 BlueCanuck

Even better.

1201 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:13:26am

re: #1190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I like Czeching out Pole dancers.

The boys come Russian in!

1202 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:13:28am

re: #1198 sattv4u2


"I killed fitty men!"

-Cotton Hill

1203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:13:51am

re: #1196 MandyManners

I get confused easily when it comes to numbers if I don't take off my shoes and socks.

I once saw a guy counting in the air, then "erase" his numbers with a rubbing motion of his hand, and start counting again.

1204 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:14:06am
1205 badger1970  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:14:32am

re: #1157 Mad Al-Jaffee

I haven't but now may need to watch. Education via South Park, oh my.

1206 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:14:55am

re: #1202 Mad Al-Jaffee

"I killed fitty men!"

-Cotton Hill

"What's in the bag Grampa?"
"Head of a Nazi!"

1207 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:15:42am

re: #1203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I once saw a guy counting in the air, then "erase" his numbers with a rubbing motion of his hand, and start counting again.

Didn't think anyone saw me...damn.

1208 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:15:49am

re: #1180 MandyManners

The tilde is pronounced "nyah".

Srictly speaking, the tilde isn't pronounced as anything. It's just the little wave that goes on top of an "n" to make "ñ", which is called enye, and makes that "ny" sound. (Like the Knights Who Say "Ny"... no, not really.)

1209 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:16:06am

re: #1190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I like Czeching out Pole dancers.


Don't know any pole dancers, but knew a Pole vixen.

dasher dancer prancer vixen comet cupid donner blitzen

1210 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:16:29am

re: #1208 Occasional Reader

Srictly speaking, the tilde isn't pronounced as anything. It's just the little wave that goes on top of an "n" to make "ñ", which is called enye, and makes that "ny" sound. (Like the Knights Who Say "Ny"... no, not really.)

Should i put my dunce cap on now. (-:

1211 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:16:49am

re: #1201 VegasRick

The boys come Russian in!

We need to drop this line of puns, kazakhan't stand it any more.

1212 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:16:55am

AP reports that "Thai police say actor David Carradine may have died from accidental suffocation".

Snippets...

"Police Lt. Gen. Worapong Chewprecha told reporters that Carradine was found with a rope tied around his genitals and another rope around his neck.

"The two ropes were tied together," he said. "It is unclear whether he committed suicide or not or he died of suffocation or heart failure.""

"Dr. Nanthana Sirisap, director of Chulalongkorn Hospital's Autopsy Center, told reporters that the autopsy was conducted because of the "unusual circumstances surrounding Carradine's death," but did not elaborate."

"Pornthip Rojanasunand, director of Thailand's Central Institute of Forensic Science, said Carradine may have died attempting a sex act known as auto-erotic asphyxiation - cutting off oxygen to the brain for sexual arousal.

The practice is said to result in a form of giddiness and euphoria - similar to alcohol or drug intoxication - that enhances the sexual experience.

"If you hang yourself by the neck, you don't need so much pressure to kill yourself. Those who get highly sexually aroused tend to forget this fact," Pornthip said."

1213 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:17:10am

re: #1209 Capitalist Tool

Don't know any pole dancers, but knew a Pole vixen.

dasher dancer prancer vixen comet cupid donner blitzen

You left out Rudolph (hmmm,, sounds like a Nazi name to me!))
//

1214 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:17:51am

re: #1198 sattv4u2

As I stated earlier. Both my father and uncle were in WW2. If Granma and/or Granpa told me a story about Uncle Johhnys exploits in Europe, the next time I see Uncle Johnny I say" Uncle Johnny, tell me about the day you captured Hitler"!

Hey my Uncle shot him, he wasn't captured!

1215 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:18:48am

re: #1208 Occasional Reader

Srictly speaking, the tilde isn't pronounced as anything. It's just the little wave that goes on top of an "n" to make "ñ", which is called enye, and makes that "ny" sound. (Like the Knights Who Say "Ny"... no, not really.)

Enye? She's really pretty

1216 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:19:08am

JMV


What, no retort.

1217 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:19:51am

re: #1198 sattv4u2

As I stated earlier. Both my father and uncle were in WW2. If Granma and/or Granpa told me a story about Uncle Johhnys exploits in Europe, the next time I see Uncle Johnny I say" Uncle Johnny, tell me about the day you captured Hitler"!

Everyone around here knows that Uncle Adolph is hiding Elvis over on his farm, in a van down by the river

1218 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:19:54am

re: #1167 Lincolntf

No, but what he did do was invent a pretty specific number "nearly seven million" of Muslims in the U.S. No government/reliable source would have provided this number as all estimates fall between 1.5 and 3.0 million. He made it up. I don't know why he did, but he did.

He used ACORN to do the census.

1219 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:19:58am

re: #1031 {Miss Trixie}
Hey there gorgeous *smooches* back to you! I'm glad that you're not getting the weather we are. I swear, weatherwise I feel really depressed and down.
Sorta as if I was living in Seattle or the PAC-NW, ya know?!

1220 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:20:47am

re: #1196 MandyManners

I get confused easily when it comes to numbers if I don't take off my shoes and socks.

Hell, I can't count to 21 without taking off my shoes, socks, and pants.

1221 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:20:52am

re: #1219 realwest

Hey there gorgeous *smooches* back to you! I'm glad that you're not getting the weather we are. I swear, weatherwise I feel really depressed and down.
Sorta as if I was living in Seattle or the PAC-NW, ya know?!

Ahhh, great RW. Start picking on me now. LOL

1222 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:21:40am

re: #536 UFO TOFU

I liked this (I can't seem to link to the original article):

After reading a considerable volume of analysis of Obama's speech, I think I can explain the implied equivalence between 6 million murdered Jews and "on the other hand" an unspecified number of displaced Arabs with no discussion of the reasons for their displacement. It's down to a lack of basic commonsense judgement on the part of the Obama administration and his speechwriters. I don't think that if they reflected upon the matter in an abstract way, they would actually come to the conclusion that the two events are in any way equivalent (morally, numerically, causally etc.). However, they don't seem to have the nous to understand or care that a disinterested reader of this speech might be led to such a conclusion and, moreover, attribute the same view to to the US administration. I saw early signs of this lack of judgement in the way in which the British PM's visit was handled and also the visit to the Queen.

In brief, this part of the speech was a mistake, in my opinion, and should have been worded differently.

1223 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:21:43am

re: #1219 realwest

Hey there gorgeous *smooches* back to you! I'm glad that you're not getting the weather we are. I swear, weatherwise I feel really depressed and down.
Sorta as if I was living in Seattle or the PAC-NW, ya know?!

Global climate change.
Get a Yugo.
Convert it into a greenhouse.
Save the world.

1224 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:22:01am

re: #1220 Occasional Reader

Hell, I can't count to 21 without taking off my shoes, socks, and pants.

LOL... so you have how many fingers...

PS. Leave the pants question out of this! (-:

1225 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:22:20am

Hey Avanti -

Pelosi’s ratings down, while Cheney’s improved from record low

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

1226 Kragar  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:22:23am

Revisionists challenge D-Day story

A revisionist theme seems to have settled on this year's 65th anniversary commemoration of the Normandy landings.

The tone was set in Antony's Beevor's new book, D-Day, which tries to debunk certain received ideas about the Allied campaign.

Far from being an unmitigated success, Mr Beevor found, the landings came very close to going horribly wrong.

And far from being universally welcomed as liberators, many troops had a distinctly surly reception from the people of Normandy.

The reason for this was simple. Many Normandy towns and villages had been literally obliterated by Allied bombing.

The bombardment of Caen, Mr Beevor said, could almost be considered a war-crime (though he later retracted the comment).

1227 MJ  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:22:24am

White House releases new photo of President Obama:

Image: obamapharaoh.jpg

1228 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:22:56am

re: #1211 Occasional Reader

We need to drop this line of puns, kazakhan't stand it any more.

Ukranian hurts? Try an icepack.

/

1229 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:23:45am

re: #1225 Walter L. Newton

Hey Avanti -

Pelosi’s ratings down, while Cheney’s improved from record low

[Link: www.gallup.com...]


LOl, sweet revenge.

1230 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:23:47am

re: #1226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Alright! My first LGF "book to avoid" recommendation!

/

1231 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:23:49am

re: #1196 MandyManners

I get confused easily when it comes to numbers if I don't take off my shoes and socks.

I can count to 31 on one hand --
in binary.

1232 badger1970  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:24:07am

re: #1227 MJ

Accompanied by Steve Martin's "King Tut"?

1233 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:24:21am

re: #1227 MJ


Heck I'm still waiting the the AF1 over NY.

1234 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:25:01am

re: #1208 Occasional Reader

Srictly speaking, the tilde isn't pronounced as anything. It's just the little wave that goes on top of an "n" to make "ñ", which is called enye, and makes that "ny" sound. (Like the Knights Who Say "Ny"... no, not really.)

We are no longer the Knights Who Say Ni
We are now the Knights Who Say Ekkie Ekkie P-tang nee-wom!
And we demand another shrubbery!

1235 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:25:13am

re: #1231 Kosh's Shadow

I can count to 31 on one hand --
in binary.

So what are you saying... there are only 10 types of people in the world?

1236 Dustoff-507  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:25:18am

Ok, time to go earn my buck folks.

HAVE a great weekend.

1237 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:25:43am

re: #1041 sattv4u2

The Japanese bombed Pawleys Island South Carolina and shortly after the US declared war on Spain

wha!?!?! They are names and locations of a particular American Island and a European country, so I was entirely correct about that!


Wait a minute! Are you sure it was "Pawleys Island" I was told by my grandfather that it was Myrtle Beach!

1238 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:26:15am

re: #1220 Occasional Reader

Hell, I can't count to 21 without taking off my shoes, socks, and pants.

Not 23?

1239 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:27:24am

re: #1238 MandyManners

Not 23?

Maybe he has "Dunlop" disease and he can't see 22 and 23.

Or maybe he's cold.

Or, just maybe, he has an ex-wife.

/

1240 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:28:01am

re: #1230 OldLineTexan

Alright! My first LGF "book to avoid" recommendation!

/

I don't see that it is altogether untrue...the landings were shot up pretty good and it's probably correct to say that not all troops were received as heros...pretty vague actually...certainly the reception in Paris says otherwise

1241 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:28:16am

Well, well.

White House Set to Appoint a Pay Czar

Mr. Feinberg is expected to focus on pay restrictions related to firms receiving TARP bailout funds, helping companies to interpret the rules and ensure that they are being followed.

Is expected to? I'm guessing that's just the beginning.

Hey lefties, can you spell "centralized planning"? It's kind of a socialist thing. Check out Stalin, the 30's, Soviet Union, economy, starvation, misery, and death. (I'll give you a clue: it didn't work out so well.)

1242 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:29:04am

re: #1225 Walter L. Newton

Hey Avanti -

Pelosi’s ratings down, while Cheney’s improved from record low

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

Oh, you're mean today.

/but i like it

1243 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:29:25am

re: #1237 realwest

Wait a minute! Are you sure it was "Pawleys Island" I was told by my grandfather that it was Myrtle Beach!

it should have been Myrtle Beach, what a dump

jus kidding...sorta

1244 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:29:30am

re: #1240 albusteve

I don't see that it is altogether untrue...the landings were shot up pretty good and it's probably correct to say that not all troops were received as heros...pretty vague actually...certainly the reception in Paris says otherwise

The retracted war crimes statement is enough for me.

Lots of good books on D-Day, plus the official military histories.

I don't care about the other stuff; any military operation is always close to failure, especially an amphibious operation. Lots of things went very, very wrong.

1245 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:30:55am

re: #1231 Kosh's Shadow

I can count to 31 on one hand --
in binary.

Whenever I hear the word "binary" I think of that ST:TNG episode.

1246 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:30:58am

re: #1226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Far from being an unmitigated success, Mr Beevor found, the landings came very close to going horribly wrong.

I hardly think that particular part is "revisionist" history... hell, even The Longest Day shows how close the thing came to failing.

1247 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:31:01am

Well, I have to give Obama kudos for standing up to the Holocaust deniers like Ahmadinejad (and Abbas).

Too bad that history also shows that you can't make peace with people who deny the history of the Middle East and yet Obama is himself pushing a peace effort that is doomed to failure because he would rather engage in wishful thinking that see the facts on the ground as they are.

1248 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:31:22am

re: #1244 OldLineTexan

The retracted war crimes statement is enough for me.

Lots of good books on D-Day, plus the official military histories.

I don't care about the other stuff; any military operation is always close to failure, especially an amphibious operation. Lots of things went very, very wrong.

check out Ambrose's 'Citizen Soldiers'...one of the very best on the landings and fight to Germany

1249 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:31:30am

re: #1239 OldLineTexan

Maybe he has "Dunlop" disease and he can't see 22 and 23.

Or maybe he's cold.

Or, just maybe, he has an ex-wife.

/

I resemble that remark.

1250 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:32:18am

re: #1241 subsailor68

Well, well.

White House Set to Appoint a Pay Czar

Mr. Feinberg is expected to focus on pay restrictions related to firms receiving TARP bailout funds, helping companies to interpret the rules and ensure that they are being followed.

Is expected to? I'm guessing that's just the beginning.

Hey lefties, can you spell "centralized planning"? It's kind of a socialist thing. Check out Stalin, the 30's, Soviet Union, economy, starvation, misery, and death. (I'll give you a clue: it didn't work out so well.)

It won't just stop there. I can bet the Car Czar is already trying to set up plans for running GM even though Obama said it will be hands off. And then we will get the Health Care Czar. That one scares me the most.

1251 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:32:29am

For those who like well-researched histories of US military near-disasters, I recommend A Time for Trumpets, which focuses on the Battle of the Bulge.

Non-politicallt-motivated, although the maps are horribly small and useless.

1252 badger1970  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:32:42am

re: #1246 Occasional Reader

I've read elsewhere that the German tank commanders couldn't reach anyone in Berlin to authorize a counter-attack against the allies' landings.

1253 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:32:57am

re: #1249 MandyManners

I put it there just for you!

1254 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:33:06am

re: #1251 OldLineTexan

For those who like well-researched histories of US military near-disasters, I recommend A Time for Trumpets, which focuses on the Battle of the Bulge.

Non-politicallt-motivated, although the maps are horribly small and useless.

That was in South Carolina (Obama).

1255 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:33:35am

re: #1248 albusteve

Read it; I like almost all of Ambrose's work.

1256 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:33:47am

re: #1243 albusteve

it should have been Myrtle Beach, what a dump

jus kidding...sorta

How dare you insult "The Gay Dolphin"! You're an anti-cetacean homophobe!

1257 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:34:16am

re: #1252 badger1970

I've read elsewhere that the German tank commanders couldn't reach anyone in Berlin to authorize a counter-attack against the allies' landings.

Hitler was shooting three's

1258 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:34:50am

re: #1256 Occasional Reader

How dare you insult "The Gay Dolphin"! You're an anti-cetacean homophobe!

Are you sure that isn't the "Gay Dauphin", legendary swishy King of Fwance?

/

1259 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:35:02am

re: #1238 MandyManners

Not 23?

Only if I'm "rounding" numbers.

1260 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:35:35am

re: #1252 badger1970

I've read elsewhere that the German tank commanders couldn't reach anyone in Berlin to authorize a counter-attack against the allies' landings.

Hitler insisted it was a feint, I've read in a number of places.

1261 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #1259 Occasional Reader

Only if I'm "rounding" numbers.

Use 'em for zeros!

/

1262 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #1256 Occasional Reader

How dare you insult "The Gay Dolphin"! You're an anti-cetacean homophobe!

Gay Dinosaurs
"Myassissaur"
"Lickalattapus"

1263 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:35:55am

re: #1246 Occasional Reader

I hardly think that particular part is "revisionist" history... hell, even The Longest Day shows how close the thing came to failing.

Only one beach was in doubt actually, that was Omaha. The rest of the invasion went quite well and was never in any real danger of failing. Even if the Omaha landing had to be recalled, the troops would have just been returned to England. We would have still been in France.

1264 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:36:00am

re: #1256 Occasional Reader

How dare you insult "The Gay Dolphin"! You're an anti-cetacean homophobe!

lots of good golf down there...about my only interest in that du...place

1265 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:36:02am

re: #1252 badger1970

I've read elsewhere that the German tank commanders couldn't reach anyone in Berlin to authorize a counter-attack against the allies' landings.

I think if Rommel had managed to show up for the party, the thing would have been a fiasco.

1266 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:36:09am

re: #1250 JohnnyReb

It won't just stop there. I can bet the Car Czar is already trying to set up plans for running GM even though Obama said it will be hands off. And then we will get the Health Care Czar. That one scares me the most.

Here's what the Car Czar will require GM to make.

1267 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:36:36am

re: #1260 Dianna

Hitler insisted it was a feint, I've read in a number of places.

Absolutely, and he had reserved the Panzer divisions to Berlin's command.

They were waiting for Patton; Operation Bigot was a success.

1268 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:37:54am

re: #1259 Occasional Reader

Only if I'm "rounding" numbers.

They're roun--nope. I'm gonna' resist.

1269 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:37:57am

re: #1225 Walter L. Newton

Hey Avanti -

Pelosi’s ratings down, while Cheney’s improved from record low

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

That is one poll he won't be pimping, yet he has said in the past he didn't like her.

1270 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:38:05am

re: #1267 OldLineTexan

Absolutely, and he had reserved the Panzer divisions to Berlin's command.

They were waiting for Patton; Operation Bigot was a success.

Wasn't it "Operation Slappy"?

1271 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:38:49am

re: #1150 Dustoff-507
Yep Dems will never see it and Euro's don't really want to hear it - except for those who were under Soviet Occupation after WWII.
And the French and the Germans who ought to ALWAYS extend their hands in friendship to the USA, rarely ever do.
Let's see how they view the USA when we can no longer afford to pay for the military defense of Europe.
My guess is that they'll a) be extremely pissed off and b) overly polite in thanking us for what we've done for them, from liberating them from Hitler and then from the Soviet Union.

1272 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:39:20am

re: #1270 Occasional Reader

Wasn't it "Operation Slappy"?

One of the reasons Patton was used as the bait ... he was very unhappy.

1273 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:39:22am

re: #1267 OldLineTexan

Absolutely, and he had reserved the Panzer divisions to Berlin's command.

They were waiting for Patton; Operation Bigot was a success.

Hitler screwed up the war continuously. Germans would have been much harder to handle if he'd stayed out of the gererals' way.

1274 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:39:26am

re: #1227 MJ

White House releases new photo of President Obama:

[Link: bour3com.startlogic.com...]

MSM swoons at the new icons of veneration.

1275 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:39:40am
1276 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:40:09am

re: #1266 Kosh's Shadow

Here's what the Car Czar will require GM to make.

"Our latest model seats up to twelve passengers. C'mon down to Clown Car Motors and take it for a spin!"

1277 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:40:14am

re: #1263 JohnnyReb

Paratroop drops also got wildly screwed up; and it took way too long to take Caen, much longer than anticipated. Again, I think the key was that there was a successful deception campaign that kept the panzers away from the beaches. Also, the Luftwaffe had been seriously attrited by then.

1278 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:41:41am

re: #1273 Capitalist Tool

Hitler screwed up the war continuously. Germans would have been much harder to handle if he'd stayed out of the gererals' way.

Tigers were utterly worthless in Normandy...and his Panzer reserves held back simply got shot to pieces...he fucked up all the way down the line

1279 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:42:19am

re: #1275 taxfreekiller

[Link: www.gegainfotech.com...]

What could possibly go wrong, all the County Clerks data from all of America , the deeds, mortgages, ect. on line in India.

Title Services.

You go down to the closing on your new home, the title exam done in India, feel safe about the property rights and who much the two party evil money cult cares about you.

Just outsourcing the data that underlies the whole of the owner ship
in America to 350 employees and 200 work stations in Bombay and Nasik

the E & O insurance rates for these dumb ass Title Ins. Agents who use this data source is going to be very very f'n high.

IMO, just could be "no way",,, why chose to lose.

Just wage slave competion, not a big deal.

Just wait until the Patels show up at your door with an apparently valid deed and plans to turn your house into a motel.

1280 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:42:53am

re: #1278 albusteve

Tigers were utterly worthless in Normandy...and his Panzer reserves held back simply got shot to pieces...he fucked up all the way down the line

Thank God.

1281 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:43:07am

re: #1278 albusteve

Tigers were utterly worthless in Normandy...and his Panzer reserves held back simply got shot to pieces...he fucked up all the way down the line

Here's a fun series of books.

1282 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:43:22am

re: #1275 taxfreekiller

Isn't that just swell. I see they manage health care claims, too. I do not care for this one bit.

1283 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #1275 taxfreekiller

[Link:

1284 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:43:34am

re: #1277 Occasional Reader

Paratroop drops also got wildly screwed up; and it took way too long to take Caen, much longer than anticipated. Again, I think the key was that there was a successful deception campaign that kept the panzers away from the beaches. Also, the Luftwaffe had been seriously attrited by then.

cardboard tanks and aircraft in SE England...troops marching back and forth...it worked like a dream

1285 Eowyn2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:44:17am

so what's happening on this morning's thread.
anything fun

1286 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:44:27am

re: #1275 taxfreekiller

[Link:

1287 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:44:35am

re: #1284 albusteve

cardboard tanks and aircraft in SE England...troops marching back and forth...it worked like a dream

Boatloads of false radio traffic ... food orders ... bitching about tie-ups and fuel ... all created for German consumption.

1288 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:44:49am

re: #1285 Eowyn2

so what's happening on this morning's thread.
anything fun

I have my red clown nose on, that's fun.

1289 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:02am

re: #1275 taxfreekiller

Oh, my stars! Out-sourcing is out of control.

1290 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:17am

re: #1285 Eowyn2

so what's happening on this morning's thread.
anything fun

You're here now so we can start the party...

1291 calcajun  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:27am

re: #1252 badger1970

The OKW had orders that Hitler was not to be awakened. He did not know about the landings until nearly noon.

As for the 15th Army in Calais, the Germans were convinced that FUSAG - First United States Army Group- was real, was based in East Anglia, and was coming over at the Pas de Calais. This was all part of Operation Fortitude designed to deceive the Germans. Also, MI-5 had managed over the years to find and turn nearly every German agent working in the UK. These double agents were used to send dis-information back to both the Abwher--German Military Intelligence, and Reich's Security--the Nazi intelligence service. Both agencies were completely fooled (we knew because the Allies had broken Enigma years earlier and we could monitor the German radio communications)

Even up until the Normandy break-out in July 1944, the Germans were convinced that Normandy was a feint and refused to allow the 15th Panzer Army to move from Calais.

1292 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:27am

Speaking Flattery to Power
By Barry Rubin


Barack Obama’s speech in Cairo is one of the most bizarre orations ever made by a U.S. president, not a foreign policy statement but rather something invented by Obama, an international campaign speech, as if his main goal was to obtain votes in the next Egyptian primary.

Of course, the speech had tremendous—though temporary—appeal combined with its counterproductive strategic impact. It will make him more popular. It may well make America somewhat less unpopular. But its effect on Middle East issues and U.S. interests is another matter entirely.

So afraid was Obama of giving offense—and thus not maximizing his popularity-at-all–costs mission—he did the political equivalent of scoring an own-goal. President Bill Clinton said, “I feel your pain.” In effect, Obama declared, “We’re your pain.”

The main ingredient in the Obama speech was flattery. There is a bumper sticker that says: Don’t apologize. Your friends don’t need to hear it and your enemies don’t care.

Obama’s situation might be described as: Don’t grovel. It scares the hell out of your friends and convinces your enemies you owe them big time.

As a result, the mainstream in the region will say, “We were right all the time. Obama admitted it!” While more extreme radicals say, “We’ve won and America’s surrendering.”

I can’t shake the image of Obama as the new kid in school, just moved into the neighborhood, fearful of bullies, who says anything to ingratiate himself and is ready to turn over his lunch money.

1293 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:27am

re: #1288 Walter L. Newton

I have my red clown nose on, that's fun.

And stop rolling that eye around!

1294 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:29am

re: #1285 Eowyn2

so what's happening on this morning's thread.
anything fun

OR is counting to either 23 or 2100 using only appendages, and we are by-God invading France and kicking the Nazis OUT!

/

1295 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:44am

I have no idea what happened to the previous posts.

1296 calcajun  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:51am

re: #1270 Occasional Reader

Wasn't it "Operation Slappy"?

No, it was called Operation Fortitude.

1297 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:45:59am

re: #1266 Kosh's Shadow

Here's what the Car Czar will require GM to make.

It is actually a part of health care reform. You'll be limited to two children -- if the Messiah only has two, no one else needs more than that. Ergo, no need for a bigger vehicle.

1298 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:46:17am

re: #1287 OldLineTexan

Boatloads of false radio traffic ... food orders ... bitching about tie-ups and fuel ... all created for German consumption.

There is a lot of that in the book Cryptonomicon. Historical fiction, but based on the kind of deceptions that were going on. I recommend the book, if you don't mind 1100 page tomes.

1299 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:47:20am

re: #1250 JohnnyReb

It won't just stop there. I can bet the Car Czar is already trying to set up plans for running GM even though Obama said it will be hands off. And then we will get the Health Care Czar. That one scares me the most.

Since 0bama is a commie, shouldn't they be "commissars" than than czars? I mean, the Bolsheviks overthrew the czar.

1300 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:47:22am

re: #1295 MandyManners

I have no idea what happened to the previous posts.

Obama's truth squads eated them!

1301 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:47:42am

re: #1287 OldLineTexan

Boatloads of false radio traffic ... food orders ... bitching about tie-ups and fuel ... all created for German consumption.

all that just to gain the slightest margine of a hundred mile and a couple of days...awsome side story...Rommel didn't fall for it but he was rebuffed and the rest is history

1302 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:47:49am

re: #1292 Kenneth

Speaking Flattery to Power
By Barry Rubin

I can’t shake the image of Obama as the new kid in school, just moved into the neighborhood, fearful of bullies, who says anything to ingratiate himself and is ready to turn over his lunch
money.

And, gives himself a pre-emptive wedgie.

1303 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:47:57am

re: #1299 Ward Cleaver

Since 0bama is a commie, shouldn't they be "commissars" than than czars? I mean, the Bolsheviks overthrew the czar.

Commissar, commie czar, who can tell?

/

1304 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:48:45am

re: #1291 calcajun

OK, but you can't expect the German High Command to know the names and locations of every Allied army in Europe. They got the basic facts right - it was Europe and some of them were Americans - and that's what counts.

///

1305 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:48:46am

re: #1299 Ward Cleaver

Since 0bama is a commie, shouldn't they be "commissars" than rather than czars? I mean, the Bolsheviks overthrew the czar.

PIMF

1306 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:49:33am

re: #1281 OldLineTexan

Here's a fun series of books.

Sherman T. Firefly?

"One morning I shot a Tiger in my pajamas. How it got in my pajamas, I'll never know."


/yes, yes, I know, that was actually Capt. Spaulding

1307 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:49:36am

re: #1292 Kenneth

Speaking Flattery to Power
By Barry Rubin

The bullies' flunky.

/you know the type

1308 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:49:42am

re: #1298 Walter L. Newton

There is a lot of that in the book Cryptonomicon. Historical fiction, but based on the kind of deceptions that were going on. I recommend the book, if you don't mind 1100 page tomes.

A book of fiction detailing deception in a thread about a revisionist tome...
can't keep off the Obama administration, can you?

1309 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:50:40am

re: #1306 Occasional Reader

Sherman T. Firefly?

"One morning I shot a Tiger in my pajamas. How it got in my pajamas, I'll never know."

/yes, yes, I know, that was actually Capt. Spaulding

No, it was Groucho Marx, first time I heard it.

1310 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:51:02am

re: #1244 OldLineTexan

Daniel Silva's The Unlikely Spyis a great novel about the planning for D-Day and the deception and espionage involved.

1311 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:51:07am

"AP - President Barack Obama witnessed the Nazi ovens of the Buchenwald concentration camp Friday, its clock tower frozen at the time of liberation, and said the leaders of today must not rest against the spread of evil."

My sincere hope is that our President sees the same evil that I see.

1312 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:51:14am

re: #1299 Ward Cleaver

Since 0bama is a commie, shouldn't they be "commissars" than than czars? I mean, the Bolsheviks overthrew the czar.

Ah, no, actually. The Bolsheviks were pretty much uninvolved in the February Revolution. That was a general uprising (beginning with bread riots by the women of Petrograd on (our style) March 8 (thus, International Women's Day)), and spreading from there.

It caught Lenin and the rest of the Bolsheviks completely by surprise.

1313 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:51:49am

Smart meters, bought by a stupid electric wireline provider

Oncor went hunting for the future and bagged a white elephant.

Eager to create the nation's largest "smart" electrical network, the Dallas power company ordered 898,000 remote-control meters without waiting for state operating standards.

The decision backfired when the Public Utility Commission required meters to have functions that Oncor's digital meters did not. Oncor's meters weren't smart enough.

Now Oncor wants customers to pay $93 million for meters most people never received. This week, two administrative law judges said in an advisory ruling that the company is entitled to only part of that because its meter purchases were "imprudent."...

1314 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:52:15am

re: #1288 Walter L. Newton

I have my red clown nose on, that's fun.


And OR dropped his pants.

1315 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:52:24am

re: #1246 Occasional Reader

I hardly think that particular part is "revisionist" history... hell, even The Longest Day shows how close the thing came to failing.


Well yes and no - he also said: "And far from being universally welcomed as liberators, many troops had a distinctly surly reception from the people of Normandy.

The reason for this was simple. Many Normandy towns and villages had been literally obliterated by Allied bombing."
And yet it is those same villagers who help maintain the allied cemeteries amongst those Normandy towns from the beggining of those cemeteries to this very day.

1316 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #1311 debutaunt

"AP - President Barack Obama witnessed the Nazi ovens of the Buchenwald concentration camp Friday, its clock tower frozen at the time of liberation, and said the leaders of today must not rest against the spread of evil."

My sincere hope is that our President sees the same evil that I see.

He's hoping to retroactively dialog with moderate Nazis.

1317 calcajun  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:53:15am

re: #1277 Occasional Reader

Paratroop drops also got wildly screwed up; and it took way too long to take Caen, much longer than anticipated. Again, I think the key was that there was a successful deception campaign that kept the panzers away from the beaches. Also, the Luftwaffe had been seriously attrited by then.

The air drops were one of the few major screw ups. The ATC pilots had not received any real combat training and once they were in combat, they did like any other human without real training--they fought with their feet. Instead of keeping at a fixed altitude and speed, they jinked wildly, climbed, dove, and firewalled the engines of their C-47's. That's why the drops were so scattered.

But, that too confused the hell out of the Germans because they thought ten times the number of troops had been dropped across the Cotenin Peninsula. The tragedy was that in some instances, the stick of paratroops jumped when the plane was too low. Their chutes fully deployed right when they hit the ground. Other sticks were dropped in the open sea.

1318 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:53:34am

re: #1311 debutaunt

"AP - President Barack Obama witnessed the Nazi ovens of the Buchenwald concentration camp Friday, its clock tower frozen at the time of liberation, and said the leaders of today must not rest against the spread of evil."

My sincere hope is that our President sees the same evil that I see.

Your president sees evil in a new world order where some are more priveleged than others

1319 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:53:55am

re: #1292 Kenneth

Speaking Flattery to Power
By Barry Rubin

I can’t shake the image of Obama as the new kid in school, just moved into the neighborhood, fearful of bullies, who says anything to ingratiate himself and is ready to turn over his lunch money.

Actually, he's turning over our lunch money.

1320 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:53:57am

re: #1311 debutaunt

"AP - President Barack Obama witnessed the Nazi ovens of the Buchenwald concentration camp Friday, its clock tower frozen at the time of liberation, and said the leaders of today must not rest against the spread of evil."

My sincere hope is that our President sees the same evil that I see.

Why not use the word "saw" instead of that 59-cent one?

1321 MJ  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:54:00am

Here's Martin Kramer's take on Obama's speech:


"People's of Egypt, you will be told that I have come
to destroy your religion; do not believe it! Reply that I have come to restore your rights, to punish the usurpers, and that I respect more than the Mamluks God, His Prophet, and the Quran." So spoke Bonaparte when he arrived in Egypt, in a proclamation of July 2, 1798. Substitute "Islam" for Egypt, "we Americans" for I, and "violent extremists" for the Mamluks, and you've got the core message of President Obama's speech.

It's a very old drill in the annals of "public diplomacy." Supplementary gestures help. Obama was careful to pronounce the word Quran with the guttural qaf of the Arabic. (Too bad, though, he botched the word hijab.) Unless you're converting, you can't say Ich bin ein Muslim, so you come as close as you can. (Barack Hussein Obama—can we finally use his middle name now?—gets closer than most.) Some Muslims are wise to this, and so presumably they will discount it. But the great majority? Who doesn't love pandering?

I leave it to others to parse the sparse policy pointers in the speech. (Rob Satloff does a nice job of it.) Some of the influences on Obama bubble to the surface. There is the Third Worldism: Muslims are victims of our colonialism (Obama has read Fanon) and the Cold War (has he been reading Khalidi again?) The primacy of the West is over: "Any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail." There is the implicit comparison of the Palestinians to black Americans during segregation, a familiar trope (Carter and Condi went for it too). Israel comes across as an anomaly. There is no appreciation of Israel as a strategic asset—its ties to the United States are "cultural and historical," and thus not entirely rational. (That validates Obama's other former Chicago colleague, Mearsheimer.) All of this has the ring of conviction—and of a Third Worldist sensibility.

Maybe the most disconcerting line is this one: "We can't disguise hostility towards any religion behind the pretense of liberalism." The pretense? This discrediting of liberalism and its universal humanism is the classic stance of the Third Worldist radical. And did you know that the job description of the nation's leader now includes "my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear"? Perhaps it's possible to disband CAIR. America now has a president who knows "what Islam is, [and] what it isn't," and who even has a mandate to insist on closing "the divisions between Sunni and Shia." Perhaps an emissary should be sent from Washington to the pertinent muftis and mullahs: the mission would certainly be more congenial than closing divisions of General Motors.

Indeed, not since Bonaparte has a foreigner landed on Egyptian soil and delivered a message of such overbearing hubris. Were I a Muslim, this 6,000-word manifesto would have me worried stiff. This man wants to be my president as much as he is America's.

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

1322 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:54:04am

re: #1271 realwest

Wow, I just went and looked up the family records. You remember that uncle I mentioned up thread? Today is the anniversary of his death on June 5, 1943.

May he rest in peace.

1323 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:54:39am

re: #1312 Dianna

Ah, no, actually. The Bolsheviks were pretty much uninvolved in the February Revolution. That was a general uprising (beginning with bread riots by the women of Petrograd on (our style) March 8 (thus, International Women's Day)), and spreading from there.

It caught Lenin and the rest of the Bolsheviks completely by surprise.

Hi Dianna! I believe that's exactly right. And, do I remember correctly that Lenin wasn't even in the country when the February Revolution took place? That he sneaked back in (from Germany?) by train later on?

1324 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:54:50am

re: #1309 Walter L. Newton

No, it was Groucho Marx, first time I heard it.

Um... yeah, playing the character of Capt. Spaulding (The African Explorer).

"We took some pictures of the native girls, but they weren't developed. We plan to go back next year, however."

1325 calcajun  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:56:02am

re: #1309 Walter L. Newton

No, it was Groucho Marx, first time I heard it.

Animal Crackers was the play.

"I hunted elephants in Africa, but I prefer to hunt them in Alabama, because in Alabama, the Tuscaloosa."

1326 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:56:22am

re: #1320 MandyManners

Why not use the word "saw" instead of that 59-cent one?

Block spacing - it keeps the spaces tight, and looks better.

1327 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:56:57am

re: #1320 MandyManners

Why not use the word "saw" instead of that 59-cent one?


Nice catch. Indeed, The One does not merely "see" things, the way we foolish mortals do.

1328 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:57:12am

re: #1320 MandyManners

Why not use the word "saw" instead of that 59-cent one?

The One does not just "see" things like ordinary mortals.

1329 calcajun  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:57:27am

re: #1320 MandyManners

Why not use the word "saw" instead of that 59-cent one?

They want to show what they learned from "It Pays to Enrich Your Word Power" in Reader's Digest.

1330 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:57:35am

re: #1327 Occasional Reader

Nice catch. Indeed, The One does not merely "see" things, the way we foolish mortals do.

GMTA

1331 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:57:46am

re: #1323 subsailor68

Hi Dianna! I believe that's exactly right. And, do I remember correctly that Lenin wasn't even in the country when the February Revolution took place? That he sneaked back in (from Germany?) by train later on?

Right - Lenin was in Geneva at the time. He didn't actually make it back until May (off the top of my head). The Germans shipped him in on a sealed train, and they did give him money.

Not that Lenin cared.

1332 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:58:06am

re: #1320 MandyManners

Why not use the word "saw" instead of that 59-cent one?

AP must pay extra for the W words.

1333 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:59:17am

re: #1292 Kenneth

Speaking Flattery to Power
By Barry Rubin


I am (almost) convinced that some in the MSM reads these pages religiously, because I said very nearly the very same thing you quoted a while back and you will often see opinion/fact published here first which radiates through the blogosphere and the press.

1334 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:59:19am

re: #1320 MandyManners

Why not use the word "saw" instead of that 59-cent one?

Any time the FMSM can magnify Teh (sic) One's Magnificence, they will. Witnessed is more messiahish.

1335 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:59:45am

re: #1333 Capitalist Tool

Interesting.

1336 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:00:40am

re: #1327 Occasional Reader

Nice catch. Indeed, The One does not merely "see" things, the way we foolish mortals do.

"Witnessed" sounds pseudo-intellectual.

1337 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:01:53am

Damn, wake up, Charles!

1338 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:01:54am

I need more coffee.

1339 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:02:05am

re: #1335 Kenneth

Interesting.

Could just be the "great minds" thing, though... nah, was right the first time.
Don't see any great minds in the press.

1340 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:02:07am

re: #1333 Capitalist Tool

I am (almost) convinced that some in the MSM reads these pages religiously, because I said very nearly the very same thing you quoted a while back and you will often see opinion/fact published here first which radiates through the blogosphere and the press.

I've noticed the same thing.

1341 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:02:50am

Does one witness an inanimate object?

1342 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:03:23am

I can barely post.

1343 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:03:28am

re: #1331 Dianna

Right - Lenin was in Geneva at the time. He didn't actually make it back until May (off the top of my head). The Germans shipped him in on a sealed train, and they did give him money.

Not that Lenin cared.

Yeah, Lenin getting back in worked out real well. That pesky little four year Civil War he managed to get going. (BTW, I always thought the scenes in Dr. Zhivago - novel and movie - set during that period were the best!)

1344 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:03:39am

re: #1322 Kenneth
"May he rest in peace."
AMEN.

1345 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:04:18am

re: #1341 MandyManners

Does one witness an inanimate object?

Hmmm...interesting point. Maybe just after a mob hit?

;-)

1346 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:04:32am

Buncha' boot-licking bozos.

1347 calcajun  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:04:35am

re: #1341 MandyManners

He might witness TO one.

1348 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:05:19am

Every single one of my J-school professors would have had a fit if I'd turned in such copy.

1349 calcajun  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:05:46am

re: #1334 FurryOldGuyJeans

Any time the FMSM can magnify Teh (sic) One's Magnificence, they will. Witnessed is more messiahish.

I wanna see him walk into a door again.//

1350 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:06:01am

re: #1345 subsailor68

Hmmm...interesting point. Maybe just after a mob hit?

;-)

Pali car bomb swarm?

1351 realwest  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:06:02am

re: #1320 MandyManners
Because "witnessing" is more than just seeing. Obama bore witness to is how we're supposed to (subliminally, I suppose) get that.

1352 kansas  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:06:04am

Looks like someone didn't appreciate Obama's reach out to the Muslim World.

Image: obama_index_june_5_2009.jpg

1353 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:07:42am

re: #1341 MandyManners

Does one witness an inanimate object?

You should see this big fat chick at work after the boss leaves...

1354 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #1341 MandyManners

We are fortunate to live in the Era of the Obama and can witness Him.

1355 badger1970  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #1354 Kenneth

Amen! /

1356 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:25:48am

re: #1273 Capitalist Tool

Hitler screwed up the war continuously. Germans would have been much harder to handle if he'd stayed out of the gererals' way.

I think that was the plot of The Dirty Dozen II, a commando mission to stop a coup against Hitler, so that a more competent general wouldn't take over the war effort.

1357 irongrampa  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:35:30am

Just havin SO much fun watching JMV get shredded here.

He/she is a prime example of why I refuse to engage libs or lefties--got way tired of chasing topics and goalposts.


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