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1 turn  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:40:50pm

I hope he isn’t using a teleprompter …

2 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:40:57pm

I will have to watch/listen later. I hope the speech was appropriate and reflected well on the US.

3 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:40:59pm

Merkel looks thrilled to be there.

4 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:42:15pm

As a wise Irishman once said. Fine speech. Now what? /Stephen

Seriously, this was a good speech, but the those who continue pushing Holocaust denial, like Abbas and Ahmadinejad are both continuing to press forward with their own agendas - oblivious to what Obama said. They wont take him up on Obama’s challenge, and instead Ahmadinejad will continue pursuing the technologies necessary to complete what Hitler very nearly succeeded at - obliterating the Jews.

5 turn  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:44:17pm

Wha? no sound here, could be this laptop. I’ll have to listen later. He does seem to be on a roll with these speaches lately and the comeback to Tom B totally blew me away.

6 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:44:49pm

I have no issue with the content of the speech, but his delivery was awful! Flat, and no emotion at all.

7 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:45:29pm

Stumble, stumble, stumble. Where’s TOTUS?

8 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:45:31pm

I’m curious. Does anyone know if Wiesel ever came out in support of Obama? I see that at this point, he said he hadn’t yet made up his mind.

9 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:46:38pm

“I will not forget what I have seen here today.”

MEAN IT, MR. PRESIDENT. ACT ON IT.

10 Danny  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:46:45pm

I would have totally changed my mind about Obama had he mentioned names when he said “to this day there are those who insist that the holocaust never happened.”

11 Gearhead  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:47:02pm

re: #1 turn

I hope he isn’t using a teleprompter …

Big stack ‘o’ cards

12 chicagodudewhotrades  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:47:17pm

Back in 1999 while visiting a friend who was attending university in Germany we did a weekend trip up to Berlin. On the drive back to Stuttgart, we stopped at Weimar and visited Buchenwald. My first impression was that the camp reminded me of a summer camp. It was surronded by woods and seemed like a peaceful place at first. Then one notices the guard towers at the corners and that the perimeter fence was electricfied. After seeing the ovens and the guard quarters that now house the exhibits. I left feeling chilled. You don’t think industrial killing can be happen and then you see a place like this and realize that yes, it can and did happen.

13 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:47:33pm

re: #6 Alouette

I have no issue with the content of the speech, but his delivery was awful! Flat, and no emotion at all.

His choice of words in some areas was just terrible.

14 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:47:47pm

And I’m almost sorry to bring this up, but… “I have known about this place since I was a boy….[because of stories from my great-uncle].” Um… I thought the official story was that Obama always thought it was Auschwitz, because that’s what his grandparents said?

15 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:48:21pm

It’s like he is reading this speech for the first time. Uh, uh, uh, uh.

16 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:48:38pm

Direct slapdown of Holocaust denial… well, that’s good.

17 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:48:38pm

re: #10 Danny

Well, that would include quite a few kooks here in the US, in addition to Fatah’s own Mahmoud Abbas (who got a degree in Holocaust denial) and who supposedly is the guy with whom Israel is to make peace with. Oh, and there’s Ahmadinejad, who is busy tossing around genocidal and apocalyptic visions of Israel’s destruction all while his scientists are busy spinning the centrifuges to give him the means to obliterate Israel with nuclear weapons.

18 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:48:56pm

OT…
CNN: Former State Department official and his wife arrested and charged with being spies for Cuba’s government for 30 years.

19 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:49:18pm

Wow, he’s reading like a robot.

20 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:49:41pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

OT…
CNN: Former State Department official and his wife arrested and charged with being spies for Cuba’s government for 30 years.

Warren Christopher?

21 Danny  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:49:49pm

re: #17 lawhawk

Like I said…

22 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:50:05pm

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Direct slapdown of Holocaust denial… well, that’s good.

Agreed.

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:50:35pm

OT… That debris in the Atlantic was not the AirFrance jet.

Gosh.

24 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:50:42pm

re: #6 Alouette

I have no issue with the content of the speech, but his delivery was awful! Flat, and no emotion at all.

It seemed odd that he said it happened in this century.

25 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:51:11pm

re: #12 chicagodudewhotrades

And Buchenwald was just a concentration camp. Plenty died there, but it wasn’t an extermination camp - specifically designed to murder people wholesale. That took mass murder to a whole new level - the systematic genocide of the Jewish people, at places like Birkenau (the Auschwitz complex), Chełmno, Belzec, Majdanek, Sobibor and Treblinka.

26 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:52:08pm

Never again will he leave DC without the TOTUS.

27 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:52:27pm

Mostly a very good speech, but the ending just kind of petered out.

28 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:52:36pm

re: #24 debutaunt

It seemed odd that he said it happened in this century.

I can’t be surprised by anything he says without the aid of a teleprompter.

29 sbvft contributor  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:52:47pm

IT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN THAT HIS PASTOR WAS GOOD PALS WITH FARAKHAN, AMERICA’S MOST FAMOUS ANTI-SEMITE. STILL, IT WAS GOOD OF HIM TO GO. THANKS OBAMA.

30 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:52:54pm
31 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:52:58pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Nope, not Warren Christopher or other high ranking officials. It’s this guy.

Walter Myers, 72, and his wife Gwendolyn Myers, 71, were charged with conspiracy to act as illegal agents of the Cuban government and with communicating classified information to the Cuban government, the Justice Department said.

They were also charged with wire fraud and acting as an illegal agent.

32 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:53:20pm

Okay, erm… one reference to “they [the prisoners] could not have known that one day a US President would be standing you…”

Remember, Mr. President, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.

(To be fair, so far only one such reference.)

33 Kragar  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:53:31pm

Far-right eyes more gains in EU Parliament vote

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Far-rightists were on course on Friday to make gains in a European Parliament election after an anti-immigration party in the Netherlands won votes from a centrist coalition dragged down by the global economic crisis.

The success of the far-right Freedom Party, which exit polls placed second in the Netherlands, could be part of a broader trend which political analysts said would produce a more fragmented assembly and could make legislation harder to agree.

“In many countries the mainstream parties look set to do comparatively badly and parties on the extreme end of the spectrum look set to benefit,” said Thomas Klau of the European Council on Foreign Relations.

The Netherlands and Britain were the first countries to vote in the election Thursday and Irish and Czech voters were voting Friday.

In all 375 million people are eligible to vote in the 27 EU member states. The majority of states vote Sunday.

Polls predict a low turnout, even though the 736-member assembly has important powers, passing and shaping many EU laws, acting as a democratic watchdog over other institutions and passing the EU budget.

In the Netherlands, exit polls put the Freedom Party of Geert Wilders in second place with four of the 25 Dutch seats, against none in the last assembly.

34 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:53:34pm

Who is the short guy that Merkel put right behind Obama?

35 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:53:52pm

I don’t know. I was very moved by this speech. Yes, his affect was flat. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit but it seemed to me he was keeping the flourishes down out of respect and perhaps even to control his own emotion. He was out of his element, for sure.

36 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:54:00pm

re: #14 Occasional Reader

Not again! We banish you to the overnight thread for all eternity!

37 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:54:13pm
38 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:55:04pm

re: #35 Lynn B.

That’s a good assessment.

39 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:55:20pm

re: #31 lawhawk

A lot of damage can be done in 30 years.

40 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:55:40pm

re: #32 Occasional Reader

Okay, erm… one reference to “they [the prisoners] could not have known that one day a US President would be standing you…”

Remember, Mr. President, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.

(To be fair, so far only one such reference.)

Yeah, I caught that too. It jarred.

41 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:55:43pm

“It is our duty as human beings to ensure that such an evil as the Holocaust never Happens again. When ALL the Arab states recognize Israel right to exist, when the rocket attacks and homicide bombers stop, then we can talk about a two state solution for Israel and Palestine. Until that happens…Go Piss Up A Rope.”
Thats what he should’ve said.

42 solomonpanting  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:56:03pm

re: #34 Syrah

Who is the short guy that Merkel put right behind Obama?

The puppeteer.

43 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:56:15pm

re: #35 Lynn B.

I don’t know. I was very moved by this speech. Yes, his affect was flat. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit but it seemed to me he was keeping the flourishes down out of respect and perhaps even to control his own emotion. He was out of his element, for sure.

I agree. I think any statements I’d be capable of delivering after touring Buchenwald would sound pretty “flat”, too. The somber, emotional weight of the place must be incredible.

44 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:56:29pm

re: #35 Lynn B.

He was out of his element, for sure.

I can see that as the title of the chapter for his presidency in the future history books…

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:56:32pm

re: #14 Occasional Reader

And I’m almost sorry to bring this up, but… “I have known about this place since I was a boy….[because of stories from my great-uncle].” Um… I thought the official story was that Obama always thought it was Auschwitz, because that’s what his grandparents said?

Well, if his great-uncle was there, and told him stories, they would have been stories about Buchenwald, even if the family said Auschwitz…

This is complicated.

46 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:57:01pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

OT…
CNN: Former State Department official and his wife arrested and charged with being spies for Cuba’s government for 30 years.

What outlet?

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:57:20pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

OT…
CNN: Former State Department official and his wife arrested and charged with being spies for Cuba’s government for 30 years.

They didn’t get suspicious when the guy showed up to work in a 1951 Plymouth?

48 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:57:38pm

re: #32 Occasional Reader

Okay, erm… one reference to “they [the prisoners] could not have known that one day a US President would be standing youhere …”

Remember, Mr. President, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.

(To be fair, so far only one such reference.)

PIMF

49 tfc3rid  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:58:23pm

From hotairblog tweet…

“Tom Brokaw to Obama: What can Israel learn from Buchenwald about its treatment of Palestinians?”

Classy…

50 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:58:36pm

re: #48 Occasional Reader

PIMF

…but it won’t give you a ride to the airport, or lend you money.

/lack of sleep is catching up…

51 transient  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:59:56pm

Obama’s hypocrisy disgusts me. He is happy to talk about the Holocaust, but he will not do anything to prevent another one from happening (i.e. Iran). It is necessary, but insufficient, to challenge Holocaust denial. He is the perfect example of an individual who has not learned the lessons that Jews hope others learn from the Shoah.

Jews ultimately cannot depend on the kindness of strangers for their protection, because that kindness is fickle. Antisemitism, unfortunately, seems to be eternal. Jews must be able to defend themselves and that means having a nation where they can stand up for their own citizens (as well as other Jews).

Obama’s concern for Jews stops circa 1948, when Jews stopped being victims. But the threat to Jews and Israel has not ended.

Muslim rejectionism of Israel must be addressed, and Obama utterly fails to do that.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 12:59:59pm

OT: There are only two of us, and I don’t think we cook or eat substantially more than normal Americans—we’re both a bit plump, but not, you know, waddling or unable to fit in bathtubs.

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE USE SO MANY DISHES?

Done now.

53 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:00:09pm

re: #46 Dianna

CNN. Lawhawk has a link upthread.

54 NonNativeTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:00:22pm

Very good speech. But I cringe everytime I hear “Never Again”
while the world yawns at Iran’s leaders who call for the destruction
of Israel.

55 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:01:22pm

re: #43 Occasional Reader
Not me. I’d be righteously pissed and tell I’magonnajihad the end is nigh, and that goes for any other genocidal maniacs.

56 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:01:30pm
57 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:02:10pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

CNN. Lawhawk has a link upthread.

Found! Thanks.

I got the spinning wheel of death for a bit, there.

58 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:02:15pm

re: #51 transient

Nothing really changed under Bush either. Rudy was the only hope to change America’s relationship with the Muslim world but he didn’t even get close to getting the nomination.

59 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:02:19pm
60 alegrias  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:02:28pm

re: #14 Occasional Reader

And I’m almost sorry to bring this up, but… “I have known about this place since I was a boy….[because of stories from my great-uncle].” Um… I thought the official story was that Obama always thought it was Auschwitz, because that’s what his grandparents said?

* * * * *
Why quibble, OR—concentration camps and extermination camps are all horrible.

61 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:02:52pm
62 Danny  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:02:57pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Obama’s campaign people acknowledged that he misspoke. I’m kind of glad he got it right this time, although I wish he would have actually said his great uncle’s name: Charlie Payne.

63 justnobody  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:03:00pm

Obama sees the American partnership with Israel as an obstacle to making a deal with Arabs about a troop withdrawal from Iraq. He’s also afraid to pay the political price for throwing Israel under the bus. He thinks that saying some platitudes about Holocaust denial will placate what he sees as an all-powerful Jew lobby.

64 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:03:00pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

The only reasonable explanation is that Barack heard the stories when he was young, maybe not directly from the uncle, and he forgot the name of the place over the years. Later, when it became a useful story for him to employ he “remembered” it again, with the more infamous Auschwitz named as the place. He failed to notice the historical & geographical error because he lacked a proper education in true history. We don’t know if anybody ever tried to correct him, but if so, it was ignored.

65 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:03:44pm

Calm down the rhetoric a bit, guys. It’s getting a little over the top.

66 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:04:20pm

re: #60 alegrias

* * * * *
Why quibble, OR—concentration camps and extermination camps are all horrible.

I agree it’s a quibble, but I was suprised to hear it. Given the kerfuffle over the previous misstatement, I’d have thought Obama would want to stay away from making another reference to it.

67 Hawaii69  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:04:43pm

re: #32 Occasional Reader

Okay, erm… one reference to “they [the prisoners] could not have known that one day a US President would be standing you…”

Remember, Mr. President, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.

(To be fair, so far only one such reference.)

How about some context:

“They could not have known how the nation of Israel would rise out of the destruction of the Holocaust and the strong, enduring bonds between that great nation and my own. And they could not have known that one day an American President would visit this place and speak of them and that he would do so standing side by side with the German Chancellor in a Germany that is now a vibrant democracy and a valued American ally.

They could not have known these things. But still surrounded by death they willed themselves to hold fast to life. In their hearts they still had faith that evil would not triumph in the end, that while history is unknowable it arches towards progress, and that the world would one day remember them.”


That statement wasn’t “about him”…….at all.

68 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:04:44pm
69 alegrias  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:05:16pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

OT…
CNN: Former State Department official and his wife arrested and charged with being spies for Cuba’s government for 30 years.

* * * *
Better late arrest of this communist spy for Castro, than never.

Oddly enough this week Cuba got Obama’s permission to join the Organization of American States which sits one block south of the White House

70 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:05:38pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Nothing really changed under Bush either. Rudy was the only hope to change America’s relationship with the Muslim world but he didn’t even get close to getting the nomination.

Nor under Clinton before him nor under Bush before him, nor under Reagan before him nor under Carter before him (I’m sensing a pattern here ,, no?)

71 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:06:42pm

re: #61 Iron Fist
Yep. So freakin’ predictable, what our pols say.

72 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:07:34pm

re: #67 Hawaii69


That statement wasn’t “about him”…….at all.

Um… “at all”? Yes, in part, it was. There are plenty of ways that bit could have been written so as to not throw much of a spotlight on him, his visit, “speaking of them”. As a point of style, and of decorum, I think the speech would have been a little better with such a change.

73 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:08:02pm

No sound on this computer. I will have to move to another station to here what he said.

Just looking at Merkels body language without sound was interesting. She kept leaning away from him.

74 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:08:46pm
Also to this day, there are those perpetuate every form of intolerance: racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, xenophobia, sexism and more …

I confess I let out an audible sigh of relief when that list ended without … more. In this place and time, good choice, Mr. President.

75 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:08:49pm

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

I think he did reasonably well.

And I am not a fan of his, so it means something for me to say this.

Also, he deserves kudos for his answer to Brokaw.

How did he respond?

76 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:08:54pm

re: #67 Hawaii69

And by the way:

How about some context:

As I thought was clear, I was referring to something while listening to the piece. Gosh, sorry if I don’t have the transcription skills of a court stenographer.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:08:57pm

re: #73 Syrah

No sound on this computer. I will have to move to another station to here what he said.

Just looking at Merkels body language without sound was interesting. She kept leaning away from him.

Perhaps she’s still wary, after the Bush experience, and fears he will try to give her a backrub.

78 mrclark  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:09:16pm

Doctor ?Who?

Doctor ‘Fockar’?

79 alegrias  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:09:20pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

A lot of damage can be done in 30 years.

* * * *
Phillip Agee the CIA agent who exposed every COVERT agent he knew at the CIA in 1975 before fleeing to Cuba, got load of people killed all over the world.

We will never know how many people Agee, then Frank Church of Congress, got killed by exposing our covert agents and friends during the Cold War’s height.

80 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:09:30pm
81 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:09:45pm

re: #75 debutaunt

How did he respond?

Put him in a headlock, dragged him to the bathroom, gave him a “swirlie”, and said “don’t ever ask me such a schtoopid question again.”

[well, a guy can dream, can’t he]

82 transient  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:09:47pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Nothing really changed under Bush either. Rudy was the only hope to change America’s relationship with the Muslim world but he didn’t even get close to getting the nomination.

Obama irks me in particular because he loves to talk about the Holocaust. In his speech at AIPAC (just before it was clear he won the primaries), he spent maybe a quarter to a third of his speech on the Holocaust. It’s disproportionate. I specifically think he does that because he can’t say very much about anything since then that will give him Jewish support.

I don’t recall other presidents spending so much time talking about the Shoah (except where contextually appropriate) while evincing so little concern for those who remain.

83 abu lahab  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:09:56pm

I think it was a really good speech, and I salute him for visiting this place after visiting the Arab world, it does send a good message.

84 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:10:17pm

re: #59 samsgran1948

I suspect your ‘over the top rant’ will make the Bottom 10. Congrats!

85 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:10:24pm

re: #76 Occasional Reader

And by the way:


As I thought was clear, I was referring to something while listening to the piece. Gosh, sorry if I don’t have the transcription skills of a court stenographer.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaaa

86 mrclark  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:10:32pm

ok…Buchenwald speech = Photo op and another chance for him to flap his gums.

87 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:11:32pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhaps she’s still wary, after the Bush experience, and fears he will try to give her a backrub.

There is something going on there.

88 horse  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:11:49pm

Considering this had to be written and delivered in a very short time, I thought it was good. The halting nature and subdued tone in his voice was appropriate considering the location and subject matter. I felt I was actually listening to Barack Obama, and not a teleprompter with a human face; he actually seemed affected by the visit. I hope the enormous reality surrounding the evil done there sinks in and makes him wiser in his dealing with the evil actors in some of the foreign states we face today.

89 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:12:01pm

re: #83 abu lahab

Except for the word “really” I agree with you

90 alegrias  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:12:14pm

re: #66 Occasional Reader

I agree it’s a quibble, but I was suprised to hear it. Given the kerfuffle over the previous misstatement, I’d have thought Obama would want to stay away from making another reference to it.

* * * *
Mr. President only vowed to defend erroneous statements about islam!///

91 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:12:30pm

re: #15 Alouette

It’s like he is reading this speech for the first time. Uh, uh, uh, uh.

17 in the first 60 seconds. Pathetic.

92 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:12:41pm

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

Merkel looks thrilled to be there.

At least she kept her clothes on.

/yikes

93 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:12:55pm

re: #88 horse

Considering this had to be written and delivered in a very short time, I thought it was good.

How so. Was this stop not on the original travel itinerary?

94 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:13:12pm

re: #86 mrclark

ok…Buchenwald speech = Photo op and another chance for him to flap his gums.

Oh, come on.

Whatever other criticisms we may have of Obama, including regarding his stance on Israel, it was good and appropriate for him to visit one of the camps, the day before the D-Day anniversary, and to speak.

95 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:13:14pm

re: #87 Syrah

Merkel

96 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:13:18pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Calm down the rhetoric a bit, guys sansgram. It’s getting a little over the top.

FIFY, Killgore. That’s been the only real over-the-top comment thus far.

97 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:13:21pm
98 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:13:49pm

re: #59 samsgran1948

Wow, that was… um… yeah, way over the top. While I may not be particularly enamoured with our president, and I do think he’s pointing our country in the wrong direction at times, this speech did not seem disengenuous to me.

99 ointmentfly  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:14:11pm

re: #82 transient

Obama irks me in particular because he loves to talk about the Holocaust. In his speech at AIPAC (just before it was clear he won the primaries), he spent maybe a quarter to a third of his speech on the Holocaust. It’s disproportionate. I specifically think he does that because he can’t say very much about anything since then that will give him Jewish support.

I don’t recall other presidents spending so much time talking about the Shoah (except where contextually appropriate) while evincing so little concern for those who remain.

Nice observation. Thursday he kisses Islamic ass and jabs jewish settlements and off he goes Friday to give the Holocaust a few words without any attention toward the Israeli side of the current issue.

100 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:14:18pm

re: #88 horse

… I hope the enormous reality surrounding the evil done there sinks in and makes him wiser in his dealing with the evil actors in some of the foreign states we face today.

Ditto.

101 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:14:38pm

re: #34 Syrah

Who is the short guy that Merkel put right behind Obama?

He’s Bertrand Herz, a former inmate of Buchenwald.

102 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:14:40pm

re: #88 horse

What? Do you have any idea how many speechwriters the WH employs?

103 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:14:58pm

I have no problem with the content of this speech, but I am amazed at his speaking mannerisms today. Either he is trying to be humble and reverent because of where he is speaking or, he is quite a different speaker when the teleprompter is off. Slow, choppy, no eye contact. Speech 101 my sophomore year trained me how to speak in front of people….wow…..

104 3 wood  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:15:01pm

OT: The market closed down slightly on the day, though up a bit on the week.

The S&P has about broken even on the calendar year while the Dow is still down about 2%


And FWIW, I thought Obama did pretty good with his speech today, but I also put a lot more value in actions as opposed to talk.

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:15:05pm

re: #82 transient

Obama irks me in particular because he loves to talk about the Holocaust. In his speech at AIPAC (just before it was clear he won the primaries), he spent maybe a quarter to a third of his speech on the Holocaust. It’s disproportionate. I specifically think he does that because he can’t say very much about anything since then that will give him Jewish support.

I don’t recall other presidents spending so much time talking about the Shoah (except where contextually appropriate) while evincing so little concern for those who remain.

It reminds me a lot, actually, of some people I meet—I’m about fifteen years younger than Obama, and some people my age were clearly very influenced by Holocaust-themed novels, speakers at school, that kind of thing.

The problem I tend to have with them is that they see the Shoah as a universal experience and a universal property. The emotion they feel is real, but they have a hard time connecting it to modern Jewish experience, or being convinced that their tears for Anne Frank don’t entitle them to critique the IDF. Mostly, these people are women, but I think Obama has a touch of it.

I don’t think Obama thinks he needs to reach out that much to Jewish voters except in a routine way—Democrats consistently get a majority of the Jewish vote, and despite all Sarah Silverman’s crap about elderly Jews being more conservative and racist than younger ones (neither is true), that held in this election.

106 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:15:19pm
107 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:15:24pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

OT…
CNN: Former State Department official and his wife arrested and charged with being spies for Cuba’s government for 30 years.

But Cuba is our friend now.

/in a whiny voice

108 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:15:24pm

re: #59 samsgran1948

Are we aiming for the worst post of the day?

109 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:15:27pm

re: #95 Ojoe

Merkel

That puts a different focus on things from what we normally see.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:15:48pm

re: #87 Syrah

There is something going on there.

Do you think she doesn’t like him? Is it personal, political?

111 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:15:55pm

re: #11 Gearhead

Big stack ‘o’ cards

And he sounds like it too. Totally wooden and emotionless delivery.

112 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:16:09pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

Considering this had to be written and delivered in a very short time, I thought it was good.

How so. Was this stop not on the original travel itinerary?

Good question. I suspect Øbama didn’t want the TOTUS to accompany him this time.

113 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:16:47pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Brokaw apparently asked Obama “what Israel could learn from Buchenwald,” and Obama responded that there was no equivalency.

… and then gave him a “swirlie”; I continue to insist.

114 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:17:00pm

re: #82 transient

I don’t recall other presidents spending so much time talking about the Shoah (except where contextually appropriate) while evincing so little concern for those who remain.


That’s because Obama’s dopey speeches get wall to wall media coverage from the MSM. Even the conservative blogs pour over every word looking for things to be outraged about. No other president has received this much coverage before. Bush probably gave 3 or 4 speeches a week too but we don’t know what they were about because nobody paid attention to them.

115 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:17:02pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you think she doesn’t like him? Is it personal, political?

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk…]

116 transient  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:17:18pm

re: #99 ointmentfly

Nice observation. Thursday he kisses Islamic ass and jabs jewish settlements and off he goes Friday to give the Holocaust a few words without any attention toward the Israeli side of the current issue.


Exactly. You said it more precisely and succinctly than I did.

117 Danny  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:17:27pm

re: #88 horse

The halting nature and subdued tone in his voice was appropriate considering the location and subject matter. I felt I was actually listening to Barack Obama, and not a teleprompter with a human face; he actually seemed affected by the visit.

I agree, he did sound affected. Still, I was hoping for a more determined, resolute affectation. Instead, he sounded…weak.

118 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:17:33pm

re: #34 Syrah

re: #101 John Neverbend

He’s Bertrand Herz, a former inmate of Buchenwald.

Leonard Zelig !

[Link: www.geocities.com…]

///

119 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:17:52pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

That’s because Obama’s dopey speeches get wall to wall media coverage from the MSM. Even the conservative blogs pour over every word looking for things to be outraged about. No other president has received this much coverage before. Bush probably gave 3 or 4 speeches a week too but we don’t know what they were about because nobody paid attention to them.

Wow, I agree with every word of that, Killgore!

120 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:17:58pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you think she doesn’t like him? Is it personal, political?

Somewhat to my surprise, NPR this morning mentioned how Merkel’s merely cordial relationship with Obama contrasts with her genuinely warm friendship with Bush.

121 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:18:20pm

re: #84 unrealizedviewpoint

I suspect your ‘over the top rant’ will make the Bottom 10. Congrats!

Samsgram has already mde the #1 position on the Bottom 10 Comments with -13 as I type this.

122 KingKenrod  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:18:40pm

It’s pathetic that pols have to castigate holocaust deniers at all. Having the POTUS address it kind of gives it bizarre credibility - as if it is a political argument to be debated back and forth, and not one of historic fact.

123 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:18:49pm

re: #113 Occasional Reader
I can’t say what I’d of done to Brokaw. It’d get deleted!

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:19:01pm

re: #115 unrealizedviewpoint

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk…]

Ooooh. Not the best idea, I’d say.

125 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:19:17pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you think she doesn’t like him? Is it personal, political?

You can like someone you are political at odds with, and visa versa. Body language is most often a subconscious expression. I think she does not like him.

126 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:19:25pm

re: #119 Desert Dog

That stupid Cairo speech hogged up all the news yesterday. There was probably interesting stuff going on.

127 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:19:33pm

re: #36 Kenneth

Not again! We banish you to the overnight thread for all eternity!

Banishing him to the evolution/creation threads could be even more cruel.

128 2by2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:19:36pm

This was a good speech and I completely agree with the sentiment of OR in his #94.
Not only is there the link to D-Day, but he also linked it to his Cairo speech, by going to Buchenwald directly after.

129 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:19:37pm

re: #111 Cygnus

And he sounds like it too. Totally wooden and emotionless delivery.

Suffering from teleprompter withdrawal.

130 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:19:55pm

re: #120 Occasional Reader

Somewhat to my surprise, NPR this morning mentioned how Merkel’s merely cordial relationship with Obama contrasts with her genuinely warm friendship with Bush.

Schroder would have been his best buddy, too bad he got tossed out on his ass.

131 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:20:08pm
132 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:20:51pm

re: #109 Syrah

That puts a different focus on things from what we normally see.

A few months ago, a newsweekly did a quick bit on how Carla Bruni was on the cover of European Vogue, and then commented “Herr Merkel snubbed again”.

133 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:20:51pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

That’s because Obama’s dopey speeches get wall to wall media coverage from the MSM. Even the conservative blogs pour over every word looking for things to be outraged about. No other president has received this much coverage before. Bush probably gave 3 or 4 speeches a week too but we don’t know what they were about because nobody paid attention to them.

Every damn night (it seems) if you look at the Prime Time Schedule there’s a network special on Øbama. Tonight it’s inside the White House. Who’s watching this stuff?

134 horse  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:21:08pm

re: #95 Ojoe

Merkel

Certainly creates a more vivid target for those socialists wanting to nestle in the bosom of the state.

135 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:21:23pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

re: #119 Desert Dog

Wow, I agree with every word of that, Killgore!

Me too, except the MSM would wait for a Bush malapropism to be (inevetibly) dropped

136 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:21:23pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

A few months ago, a newsweekly did a quick bit on how Carla Bruni was on the cover of European Vogue, and then commented “Herr Merkel snubbed again”.

Herr Merkel?!?

137 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:21:33pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

Every damn night (it seems) if you look at the Prime Time Schedule there’s a network special on Øbama. Tonight it’s inside the White House. Who’s watching this stuff?

I would say 52% of the population, but that number has to be dwindling.

138 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:21:42pm
139 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:21:43pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

Every damn night (it seems) if you look at the Prime Time Schedule there’s a network special on Øbama. Tonight it’s inside the White House. Who’s watching this stuff?

We are…..it’s like a trainwreck…..we cannot help but look

140 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:22:34pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

A few months ago, a newsweekly did a quick bit on how Carla Bruni was on the cover of European Vogue, and then commented “Herr Merkel snubbed again”.

I like Angela just fine, but I certainly know which of the two I’d prefer to unexpectedly show up in my suite at the Georges V just as I’m stepping out of the shower.

141 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:22:41pm

re: #121 Honorary Yooper

Samsgram has already mde the #1 position on the Bottom 10 Comments with -13 as I type this.


Mayday! Mayday!
*crash and burn*

142 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

Every damn night (it seems) if you look at the Prime Time Schedule there’s a network special on Øbama. Tonight it’s inside the White House. Who’s watching this stuff?

Newsweek must of run out of journalist and reporters that hadn’t said some yet about Obama, because a few weeks ago, the cover story was “Obama on Obama.”

What’s that word? Narsiss… narsisism… narc…

143 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #136 Ward Cleaver

Herr Merkel?!?

Ouch

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:22:52pm

re: #136 Ward Cleaver

Herr Merkel?!?

Yeah. Sarkozy’s wife gets to be on Vogue, Merkel’s husband does not…

Geddit?

145 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:22:56pm

re: #101 John Neverbend

He’s Bertrand Herz, a former inmate of Buchenwald.

I thought it was really odd that she would put him there. I wonder if she even realized that she did that.

146 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:22:56pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Brokaw apparently asked Obama “what Israel could learn from Buchenwald,” and Obama responded that there was no equivalency.

Good for him! I didn’t know what he might have said.

147 davesax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:01pm

This guy gives too many speeches.

148 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:15pm

re: #136 Ward Cleaver

Herr Merkel?!?

… and the Angry Inch

149 kansas  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:28pm

re: #130 Desert Dog

Schroder would have been his best buddy, too bad he got tossed out on his ass.

Maybe he and Schroder and Chirac can grab a beer and toast to Arafish.

150 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:39pm
151 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:40pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. Sarkozy’s wife gets to be on Vogue, Merkel’s husband does not…

Geddit?

Okay, I get it now.

(slaps forehead)

152 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:40pm

re: #138 Iron Fist
Yeppers, this here is free speech done free style!

153 transient  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:43pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist


I don’t think Obama thinks he needs to reach out that much to Jewish voters except in a routine way—Democrats consistently get a majority of the Jewish vote, and despite all Sarah Silverman’s crap about elderly Jews being more conservative and racist than younger ones (neither is true), that held in this election.


In my cynical opinion, if Obama didn’t think he needed to reach out to Jewish voters, he wouldn’t have gone to Buchenwald. He’s throwing us a bone. Please, Mr. President. Thanks for remembering the past. Now please address the future: ongoing Iranian/ Palestinian attempts to finish what Hitler started.

154 ointmentfly  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:54pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

Every damn night (it seems) if you look at the Prime Time Schedule there’s a network special on Øbama. Tonight it’s inside the White House. Who’s watching this stuff?

Same people that still wear Obama T’s and still roll with Obama stickers on their cars and Chris Matthews in his lazyboy with his fleshlight.

155 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:23:56pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

“Who’s watching this stuff?”

The drones and apparatchiks watch it. Then they Tivo it to show in class.

Obama makes Hugo look like a piker when it comes to control of the media.

156 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:24:00pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Newsweek must of run out of journalist and reporters that hadn’t said some yet about Obama, because a few weeks ago, the cover story was “Obama on Obama.”

What’s that word? Narsiss… narsisism… narc…

narco sissy? He is kinda “metrosexualist”, but i am not sure about the narco parts, maybe when he was in college and was aka Barry?

157 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:24:16pm

re: #32 Occasional Reader

Okay, erm… one reference to “they [the prisoners] could not have known that one day a US President would be standing you…”

Remember, Mr. President, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.

(To be fair, so far only one such reference.)

I suspect that the (future) President the camp inmates really wanted to see was Eisenhower.

158 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:24:26pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

Every damn night (it seems) if you look at the Prime Time Schedule there’s a network special on Øbama. Tonight it’s inside the White House. Who’s watching this stuff?

that Inside The White House could turn out to be one of the biggest Quid Pro Quos in history

Exclusive access for NBC
GE owns NBC
GE is developing a system for centralized medical recording keeping
The gov’t wants nationalized health care
WHICH will reguire centralized medical record keeping

YOU do the math!

159 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:24:27pm

re: #146 debutaunt

Good for him! I didn’t know what he might have said.

I’m really pleasantly suprised he didn’t go into a “blahblahblah shouldn’t dehumanize others blahblahblah”.

160 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:24:36pm

re: #147 davesax

This guy gives too many speeches.

Never shuts up. It’s all about me, ME, ME!

161 Dave the.....  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:25:02pm

Kilgore….yes, you only heard of most of Bush’s speaches one of two ways:

NRO blogs would print part or all of them (some very fine talks), or Bush haters would wait for him to mis-pronouce a word.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:25:26pm

There is a Merkel husband, actually, I looked him up. He uses his own name, though, and does not like to be called Herr Merkel, even as a joke. He’s a professor at some German university, and while he apparently thinks it’s nice that Angela has a job being the Chancellor, a friend commented that ‘he’s not going to carry her handbag’.

163 transient  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:25:39pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

Every damn night (it seems) if you look at the Prime Time Schedule there’s a network special on Øbama. Tonight it’s inside the White House. Who’s watching this stuff?


Has the Obama Wall come down from the bookstores yet?

164 Jack Burton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:25:40pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. Sarkozy’s wife gets to be on Vogue, Merkel’s husband does not…

Geddit?

I just thought they were being a-holes and calling her a man because she isn’t quite euro-supermodel material.

165 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:25:46pm
And just as we identify with the victims, it’s also important for us I think to remember that the perpetrators of such evil were human, as well, and that we have to guard against cruelty in ourselves.

This ruined the whole thing for me. We have to remember the perps were human too, then guard against cruelty in ourselves? What a despicable trivialization of what was done to the Jews!

Question: When was the last time any of us ever had to fight the urge to kill whole families, humiliate them, perform wicked experimental torture on them without anesthesia, or use their skin for lampshades, to name just a few vile acts of these “humans”?

The answer: Never.

Who writes this stuff? To compare the sadism of the Nazi’s to each of us is ludicrous and offensive. You can’t compare sociopathic behavior with a normal person - it’s saying, “Remember, Dr. Hannibal Lecter was a person too; and since we’re all human, you must guard your hearts against doing those very same things.”

Disgusting.

166 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:25:55pm

I wonder if Brokaw and Pat Buchanan have hanging out together?

167 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:26:18pm
168 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:26:19pm

re: #159 Occasional Reader

I’m really pleasantly suprised he didn’t go into a “blahblahblah shouldn’t dehumanize others blahblahblah”.

Total speculation. What if the question was set up, so Obama could give that answer?

169 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:26:23pm
170 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:26:25pm

re: #121 Honorary Yooper

Samsgram has already mde the #1 position on the Bottom 10 Comments with -13 as I type this.

Sam must be so embarrassed.

171 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:26:32pm

re: #163 transient

Has the Obama Wall come down from the bookstores yet?

It’s been moved into the “Religion” section….under CULTS

/

172 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:26:35pm

re: #129 Ward Cleaver

Suffering from teleprompter withdrawal.

I’m wondering if that speech was written before or after he toured Buchenwald.

173 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:26:40pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

There is a Merkel husband, actually, I looked him up. He uses his own name, though, and does not like to be called Herr Merkel, even as a joke. He’s a professor at some German university, and while he apparently thinks it’s nice that Angela has a job being the Chancellor, a friend commented that ‘he’s not going to carry her handbag’.

And Angela’s not putting him in charge of overhauling health care, or some other major national project for which he wasn’t elected?! How… appropriate.

174 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:27:06pm

re: #125 Syrah

President Clinton is known to be friends with many of his political enemies, but treats those personal friends who have “double crossed” him with absolute venom.

175 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:27:18pm

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

Tonight it’s inside the White House. Who’s watching this stuff?


I might actually watch that one. I was some of the clips over at HuffPo and it looked kinda good. However, I’ve been labeled an “Obama lover” so take that with a grain of salt.

176 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:27:31pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Total speculation. What if the question was set up, so Obama could give that answer?

It wouldn’t have been Brokaw. They would have assinged it to some under-schlub in case it backfired

177 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:27:36pm

re: #174 lawhawk

President Clinton is known to be friends with many of his political enemies, but treats those personal friends who have “double crossed” him with absolute venom.

Like Hillary and Algore?

178 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:27:55pm

re: #169 Iron Fist

In all fairness, that is probably as good as he could say, though I’m with OR on the “swirlly”…

Shit, I’d have voted for Obama in 2010 if he’d have done that.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:28:01pm

re: #164 ArchangelMichael

I just thought they were being a-holes and calling her a man because she isn’t quite euro-supermodel material.

I wouldn’t have quoted it if I interpreted it that way…I don’t think that’s what they meant.

I think she looks quite nice, actually. And Carla is not exactly an ordinary politician’s wife.

180 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:28:09pm

re: #176 sattv4u2

It wouldn’t have been Brokaw. They would have assinged it to some under-schlub in case it backfired

If the question and answer was scripted, how could it back fire?

181 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:28:32pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

see my 158. I’ve seen the “rushes” un-edited and yes, it was well done

182 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

I like Angela just fine, but I certainly know which of the two I’d prefer to unexpectedly show up in my suite at the Georges V just as I’m stepping out of the shower.

You have such a rich fantasy life.

183 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:29:18pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

If the question and answer was scripted, how could it back fire?

teleprompter fubar ,,, the 0ne caught between an ummm and a ahhh’d place

184 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:29:24pm

BBL

185 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:29:32pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

that Inside The White House could turn out to be one of the biggest Quid Pro Quos in history

Exclusive access for NBC
GE owns NBC
GE is developing a system for centralized medical recording keeping
The gov’t wants nationalized health care
WHICH will reguire centralized medical record keeping

YOU do the math!

It’s more than just the medical record keeping GE’s in on with this WH. They’re gonna get a huge piece of the Green green.

186 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:29:39pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

I like Angela just fine, but I certainly know which of the two I’d prefer to unexpectedly show up in my suite at the Georges V just as I’m stepping out of the shower.

And did you say that was Erkel?

187 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:29:48pm

Have fun, gotta go make money

188 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:30:04pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

OT…
CNN: Former State Department official and his wife arrested and charged with being spies for Cuba’s government for 30 years.

[Link: www.usdoj.gov…]

189 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:30:23pm

re: #185 unrealizedviewpoint

yup

190 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:30:26pm

re: #172 Cygnus

I’m wondering if that speech was written before or after he toured Buchenwald.

I would pretty much guarantee that it was at least 90% complete before he did the tour, subject only to last-minute touchups. Nothing wrong with that, either. It’s quite rare that presidential speeches are done on the spur of the moment.

191 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:30:32pm

re: #185 unrealizedviewpoint

It’s more than just the medical record keeping that GE’s getting from this WH. They’re gonna get a huge piece of the Green green.


pimf

192 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:31:10pm

re: #182 debutaunt

You have such a rich fantasy life.

tapocketa pocketa pocketa


/extra credit for identifying the reference… no googling

193 davesax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:31:33pm

re: #160 Ward Cleaver

194 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:31:48pm

re: #192 Occasional Reader

tapocketa pocketa pocketa

/extra credit for identifying the reference… no googling

Dead Alive!

195 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:31:57pm

re: #192 Occasional Reader

tapocketa pocketa pocketa


/extra credit for identifying the reference… no googling

Walter (mitty) ,, is that you?

196 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:32:09pm

re: #35 Lynn B.

I don’t know. I was very moved by this speech. Yes, his affect was flat. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit but it seemed to me he was keeping the flourishes down out of respect and perhaps even to control his own emotion. He was out of his element, for sure.

I’m not an Obama fan, but I’ve got to agree with you. It’s an awful place, and an awful part of history. I wouldn’t want to have to deliver a big speech right after touring it.

197 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:32:18pm

re: #185 unrealizedviewpoint

I don’t think there’s any need to find a dark conspiracy. The press loves him and got an interview. It’s not complicated.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:32:23pm

re: #173 Occasional Reader

And Angela’s not putting him in charge of overhauling health care, or some other major national project for which he wasn’t elected?! How… appropriate.

Weird, ain’t it?

//

He apparently stays totally out of her way while she politics, and when asked about what role he would play, Merkel explained that he would ‘like to keep his career’.

199 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:32:47pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

And did you say that was Erkel?

Er, no. I don’t agree with Donald Trump on many things, in matters of taste; Carla Bruni is a definite exception to that rule.

200 MJ  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:32:52pm

11-Year-Old Graduates From LA College

Pre-teen could probably beat you up, too


Moshe Kai Cavalin: martial artist, future astrophysicist, 11-year-old.

Moshe Kai Cavalin, 11, graduates with honors from East Los Angeles Community College this week, but just don’t call him a genius.

“I consider myself a regular kid who works hard and does his best,” says this only child of a Taiwanese mother and an Israeli father…

[Link: www.nbclosangeles.com…]

201 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:32:58pm

re: #165 ladycatnip

This ruined the whole thing for me. We have to remember the perps were human too, then guard against cruelty in ourselves?

Disgusting.

Politically, I agree. But remember, Obama views himself as a petit academic, and I guess what he was referring to is the “Zimbardo” experiment, in which mild-mannered college students were turned into raging sadists overnight, if you want the quickie summary.

202 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:33:08pm
203 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:33:19pm

re: #195 sattv4u2

Walter (mitty) ,, is that you?

Your extra credit consists of an upding. (Best I can do.)

204 horse  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:33:31pm

re: #125 Syrah

You can like someone you are political at odds with, and visa versa. Body language is most often a subconscious expression. I think she does not like him.

That’s probably pretty standard for a physicist viewing a lawyer; a highly quantitative mind viewing a highly emotional one. Not much in common and not much to believe until you see tangible results.

205 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:34:09pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

I don’t think there’s any need to find a dark conspiracy. The press loves him and got an interview. It’s not complicated.

no “dark conspiracy” at all
FACTS What Under stated in 185 is accurate. What I stated in 158 is also

ALWAYS ‘follow the money”!

206 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:34:39pm

re: #188 Bobibutu

Thanks. Lots of details there.

207 davesax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:34:43pm

re: #160 Never shuts up. It’s all about me, ME, ME! Ward Cleaver

Yup. Totally about his agenda.

It’s obvious PR as he increases pressure to unseat Netanyahu.

Obama as spokesman for Obama.

208 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:34:54pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

The Secret Life of Walter Mitty: James Thurber story, Danny Kaye movie.

satt beat you, but you get extra credit for the Danny Kaye movie (which I didn’t know about).

209 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:34:57pm

re: #203 Occasional Reader

Your extra credit consists of an upding. (Best I can do.)

I love the smell of updings in the afternoon ,,,,, it smells like ,,, victory!

210 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:35:01pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

I don’t think there’s any need to find a dark conspiracy. The press loves him and got an interview. It’s not complicated.

It’s not dark at all - it’s all out in the open for the media to ignore.

211 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:35:15pm
212 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:35:47pm

re: #147 davesax

It’s the narcissism, dude.

213 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:35:55pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

OT…
CNN: Former State Department official and his wife arrested and charged with being spies for Cuba’s government for 30 years.

In other news, sky blue, water wet.

214 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:36:02pm

re: #210 unrealizedviewpoint

It’s not dark at all - it’s all out in the open for the media to ignore.

okay ,,,, who are you and what did you do with the unrealizedviewpoint we were arguing with the last 2 days !

//

215 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:36:08pm

re: #211 garden18

Clean up on 211. Garden, bye.

216 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:36:32pm

re: #211 garden18

Dude, talk to your doctor about your meds.

217 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:37:31pm

re: #211 garden18

Do you find that Reynolds Wrap is the best tin foil, or do the store brands work just as well?

218 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:37:32pm

re: #211 garden18

You honestly think Obama is really that Machiavellian? Wow…

219 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:37:44pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

I didn’t see any bannable statements - but yes, it should be deleted.

Though Charles sometimes lets insanity stand.

220 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:38:16pm

re: #219 Dianna

I didn’t see any bannable statements - but yes, it should be deleted.

Though Charles sometimes lets insanity stand.

Thats why I always sit!

221 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:38:36pm

I just wish someone who went to the concentration camps would remember the Romani. They are STILL persecuted and killed all over Europe, targets of the same racism as in the 30s and 40s.

222 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:39:16pm

re: #211 garden18

Where do you little creeps get your nics? Is there an online sequential LGF nic generator I should be aware of?

223 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:39:26pm

re: #219 Dianna

I didn’t see any bannable statements - but yes, it should be deleted.

Though Charles sometimes lets insanity stand.

I just meant to delete it. It’s over the top, literally suggesting that our president is premeditating the destruction of all the Jews in the middle east.

224 horse  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:40:06pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

Considering this had to be written and delivered in a very short time, I thought it was good.

How so. Was this stop not on the original travel itinerary?

Of course it was, but the speech was obviously not completed or rehearsed in advance. They probably had a number of separate paragraphs written, and then updated and pieced it together along with personal observations made during the tour. He probably only viewed it once or twice shortly before walking up to make the speech. It’s pretty obvious from his reading and delivery of the speech.

225 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:40:20pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Clean up on 211. Garden, bye.

Expose the rant by adding to the Bottom 10.

226 jorline  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:40:36pm
227 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #59 samsgran1948

Ploome, or Wrath sock?

228 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:41:02pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

I just meant to delete it. It’s over the top, literally suggesting that our president is premeditating the destruction of all the Jews in the middle east.

Yes, it is over the top, and yes, it does suggest that. It’s clearly the product of someone in need of care.

I did note that, didn’t I?

Heck, I reported it. What more do you want from me?

229 kansas  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:41:17pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

that Inside The White House could turn out to be one of the biggest Quid Pro Quos in history

Exclusive access for NBC
GE owns NBC
GE is developing a system for centralized medical recording keeping
The gov’t wants nationalized health care
WHICH will reguire centralized medical record keeping

YOU do the math!

[Link: www.seedie.org…]

230 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:41:59pm

re: #227 Alouette

Don’t start that, please.

231 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:42:11pm

re: #103 Desert Dog

I have no problem with the content of this speech, but I am amazed at his speaking mannerisms today. Either he is trying to be humble and reverent because of where he is speaking or, he is quite a different speaker when the teleprompter is off. Slow, choppy, no eye contact. Speech 101 my sophomore year trained me how to speak in front of people….wow…..

I’ll be optimistic and hope that he’s getting an education that me missed during his years of friendship with Rashid Khalidi, Jeremiah Wright, and Louis Farrakhan, and it’s having an effect.

I’ve been wrong plenty of times before, of course.

232 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:42:27pm

re: #228 Dianna

Yes, it is over the top, and yes, it does suggest that. It’s clearly the product of someone in need of care.

I did note that, didn’t I?

Heck, I reported it. What more do you want from me?

No, no, I’m not dumping on you at all, I was just giving you my explanation as to my “clean up” remark.

233 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:42:27pm

I see that ODS looks a lot like BDS. The [whatever] administration is a room full of idiots who can’t get through a doorway without jamming into each other, somehow executing decade-long conspiracies involving thousands of people who never leak, and who allow basement masturbloggers to bravely expose.

234 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:42:37pm

re: #210 unrealizedviewpoint

The agenda is the same as Glenn Beck and Keith Olberman; get people to watch commercials for boner pills and detergent.

235 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:42:40pm

#201 itellu3times

Politically, I agree. But remember, Obama views himself as a petit academic, and I guess what he was referring to is the “Zimbardo” experiment, in which mild-mannered college students were turned into raging sadists overnight, if you want the quickie summary.

Petit academic - love that. An experiment that took place back in 1971 with only 24 grad students isn’t a large enough sample to make the claim the entire population would all do that. I’d be interested in more background on each grad student, such as what was their moral foundation, if any. How many were religious, how many weren’t, or did that even make a difference?

236 justabill  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:42:46pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

I just meant to delete it. It’s over the top, literally suggesting that our president is premeditating the destruction of all the Jews in the middle east.

That would require the ability to think ahead, completely beyond our president. The reason he sounds anti-Israel is that he was most recently talking to the Muslim world. All he knows how to do is pander.

Remember folks, this is the same guy who promised Jerusalem as Israels Undivided Capital….

237 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:43:02pm

re: #227 Alouette

Ploome, or Wrath sock?

Not Ploome, it’s void of screaming obscenities and a rant against Christians in general

238 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:43:40pm

re: #233 haakondahl

Derangements bear a striking resemblance to each other.

Haven’t seen you around recently, I hope you’re doing well.

239 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:44:08pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

Please, satt, please, stop it.

240 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:44:16pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

Not Ploome, it’s void of screaming obscenities and a rant against Christians in general

I remember one on Easter Sunday. OMG

241 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:44:23pm

Any garden variety posts today, On never mind.
Hello Lizards!

242 Hawaii69  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:44:26pm

re: #165 ladycatnip

This ruined the whole thing for me. We have to remember the perps were human too, then guard against cruelty in ourselves? What a despicable trivialization of what was done to the Jews!

Question: When was the last time any of us ever had to fight the urge to kill whole families, humiliate them, perform wicked experimental torture on them without anesthesia, or use their skin for lampshades, to name just a few vile acts of these “humans”?

The answer: Never.

Who writes this stuff? To compare the sadism of the Nazi’s to each of us is ludicrous and offensive. You can’t compare sociopathic behavior with a normal person - it’s saying, “Remember, Dr. Hannibal Lecter was a person too; and since we’re all human, you must guard your hearts against doing those very same things.”

Disgusting.


He made a valid, and important, point about the nature of otherwise “normal” people being pulled into the momentum of institutonalized evil.

It still happens today, on a regular basis. We’re just
lucky enough to live in a relatively stable society.

243 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:44:42pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

The agenda is the same as Glenn Beck and Keith Olberman; get people to watch commercials for boner pills and detergent.

I think they are true believers not just carnival barkers. They really believe!

The networks are the the ones looking at the revenue.

244 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:45:28pm

re: #239 Dianna

Please, satt, please, stop it.

In deference to my respect for you, yes I will
But ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(self delete)

245 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:45:51pm

re: #236 justabill

That would require the ability to think ahead, completely beyond our president. The reason he sounds anti-Israel is that he was most recently talking to the Muslim world. All he knows how to do is pander.

Remember folks, this is the same guy who promised Jerusalem as Israels Undivided Capital….

While I certainly do not agree with everything that emanates from Obama’s teleprompter, I don’t agree with you. This is a president that said a lot of things over the last few days, things that will not be easy to ignore if he jumps the shark.

Granted, you may have not been satisfied by everything he said or implied, but he was not just talking to you, or just to our country.

As I say, I don’t drink his “kool aid” but I have now problem considering what he has said and seeing with the outcome will be.

246 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:46:04pm

Work calls.

Play nice everyone.

247 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:46:29pm

re: #246 Syrah

Work calls.

Play nice everyone.

don’t answer!

248 J.S.  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:46:50pm

re: #165 ladycatnip

I heard that clip (stated by Obama) and iirc Obama was addressing that remark to (it looked like to me) to Merkel…in other words (my interpretation), he was suggesting that he was also appreciative that modern-day Germans (for the most part) are not in denial…nor hiding what took place…(it’s a huge blot on their history — even the term “Buchenwald” resonates with Germans — there’s a very famous poem, it was symbolic of the height of German “civilization” — yet, it’s also why the site was chosen in the first place by *itler…) (I think, imo, it’s hugely problematic if one starts to view history through a “demons vs angels” lens…reality is much more complex…)

249 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:47:19pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

In deference to my respect for you, yes I will
But ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(self delete)

Thanks - I just hate to watch the trashing of people who can’t respond. No matter what they did or said.

250 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:47:22pm

re: #165 ladycatnip

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

There is no clearer example of how easy it is to make people do horrible things.

251 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:47:41pm

re: #238 Dianna

Haven’t seen you around recently, I hope you’re doing well.

Likewise, on both counts. Usually I’m in asleep by this time, but tonight I’m sitting up in the dark, working by the light of a gleaming unibody MacBook Pro. Signal going out via Bluetooth to my Nokia N72, connected to a $20/mo unlimited GPRS service. SLO-O-O-OW, but it works.

How are you?

252 justabill  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:48:09pm

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

We’ll wait and see, but I don’t see any good coming out of anything that has been said over the last couple days…

253 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:48:43pm

re: #249 Dianna

Thanks - I just hate to watch the trashing of people who can’t respond. No matter what they did or said.

I’m gonna log off now satt. Don’t trash me again.
/

254 garden18  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:48:44pm

“Blaming Israel and picking a fight over “natural growth” may curry favor with the Muslim “street.” But it will only induce the Arab states to do like Abbas: sit and wait for America to deliver Israel on a platter. Which makes the Obama strategy not just dishonorable but self-defeating.” C. Krauthammer

Juxtapose the above with Obama’s appearance at Buchenwald. He is softening us up for the brutal, unprecedented demands he is about to make on Israel.

255 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:48:54pm

re: #251 haakondahl

Likewise, on both counts. Usually I’m in asleep by this time, but tonight I’m sitting up in the dark, working by the light of a gleaming unibody MacBook Pro. Signal going out via Bluetooth to my Nokia N72, connected to a $20/mo unlimited GPRS service. SLO-O-O-OW, but it works.

How are you?

Wow, and you’re doing all that from Jersey City?
(I know, it’s just a joke)
Hi!

256 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:49:25pm

re: #241 DEZes

Any garden variety posts today, On never mind.
Hello Lizards!

Hey DEZ. Sup? At some point today my karma hit 1,000! How exciting! Drinks on me.

257 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:49:28pm

re: #251 haakondahl

I’m alive, sitting here waiting for some information to arrive. It’s been a weird and stressful couple months. I’m making it through, though.

258 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:49:45pm

re: #253 unrealizedviewpoint

I’m gonna log off now satt. Don’t trash me again.
/

What?!

259 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:50:09pm

re: #253 unrealizedviewpoint

I’m gonna log off now satt. Don’t trash me againSTILL!.
/


ftfy

260 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:50:20pm

re: #258 Dianna

What?!

privy message for satt

261 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:50:51pm

re: #211 garden18

Now, now.

Obama may have one, or more, authentic bones in his body.

I have to like his comments about the Holocaust given in an Egypt where this violates government-sponsored antisemitic propaganda.

I am cautiously trying to believe that, whatever his preparation, tools, and beliefs, Obama is in earnest about most things, given maybe an average discount for politicians’ beliefs.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:50:52pm

re: #221 enoughalready

I just wish someone who went to the concentration camps would remember the Romani. They are STILL persecuted and killed all over Europe, targets of the same racism as in the 30s and 40s.

That would be nice.

It’s really bad, in some areas, and Europeans don’t see why they should care—no one makes them.

263 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:51:02pm

re: #254 garden18

I think you’re allowing your paranoia to run naked in the rain.

264 Sunlight  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:51:10pm

This President lives on some alternate planet from where I live. He gives this speech at Buchenwald while the IAEA announces that Iran has enough for a bomb. And the Jews of the Middle East have been run out of their countries (I know Israelis whose parents were run out of Morocco, Yemen, and Iraq, with everything they owned stolen as they left) and are to be pressured into a tiny area where they can easily be rocketed and bus bombed, or maybe nuked. I just don’t get people like him. Maybe some acceptance of cultural killing customs. Who will stop big killings if he chops the U.S. down to size?

265 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:51:12pm

Don’t trash me still ? ?

266 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:51:15pm

re: #258 Dianna

What?!

see the sarc tag,,,,,, we had a battle,,, it’s over ,,,, we’ve moved on ,,, as the kids say, it’s all good,

267 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:51:21pm

re: #250 enoughalready

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

There is no clearer example of how easy it is to make people do horrible things.

There was actually a movie made about that experiment. Horrible and fascinating.

268 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:51:43pm

re: #265 unrealizedviewpoint

Don’t trash me still ? ?

it never ended!

//

269 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:52:22pm

re: #265 unrealizedviewpoint

Don’t trash me still ? ?

re: #268 sattv4u2

it never ended!

//


not grammatically great, bit you didn’t give me much to work with !

270 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:52:34pm

BBIAB.

271 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:52:35pm

re: #268 sattv4u2

it never ended!

//

Well in that case.. you mother wears army boots.
/

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:52:52pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

That would be nice.

It’s really bad, in some areas, and Europeans don’t see why they should care—no one makes them.

I went on a trip to Europe as a college kid, and we got these little booklets on how to behave, et al. They advised punching and kicking if little Romany kids swarmed you at the airport.

I’m trying to imagine kids coming to the States being told to beat up panhandlers freely.

I was so glad I was going to Ireland. They don’t treat the Roma and the Travelers wonderfully, but it’s a lot better than Eastern Europe.

273 jvic  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:52:52pm

I only read the transcript but gather that the speech sounded flat to some listeners.

1. It is impossible to be eloquent at Buchenwald. It is blasphemous to try.

2. Obama turned the podium over to Elie Wiesel. He turned the spotlight away from himself.

This is another occasion where fairness compels me to give him grudging credit.

274 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:53:05pm

re: #271 unrealizedviewpoint

Well in that case.. you mother wears army boots.
/

size 11 1/2,, and don;’t even get me started on her bunions!

275 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:53:24pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

That would be nice.

It’s really bad, in some areas, and Europeans don’t see why they should care—no one makes them.

Italy. Now, Berlusconi and his friends in the Lega Nord were never a nice bunch but their systematic persecution (yes, persecution) of the romani, not to mention their situation in the former USSR satellite states, is just beyond belief. And yet nobody speaks about it.

276 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:53:40pm

re: #273 jvic

I only read the transcript but gather that the speech sounded flat to some listeners.

1. It is impossible to be eloquent at Buchenwald. It is blasphemous to try.

2. Obama turned the podium over to Elie Wiesel. He turned the spotlight away from himself.

This is another occasion where fairness compels me to give him grudging credit.

ditto

277 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:54:14pm
278 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:54:35pm

re: #250 enoughalready

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

There is no clearer example of how easy it is to make people do horrible things.

Those weren’t people. Those were undergrads.

279 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:54:56pm

re: #271 unrealizedviewpoint

Well in that case.. you mother wears army boots.
/

Stop trashing army boots!

280 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:55:01pm

re: #276 sattv4u2

ditto

Same here. I’ve been to Treblinka, not the kind of place that makes you want to get all “speechifying.”

281 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:55:07pm

re: #267 Cygnus

There was actually a movie made about that experiment. Horrible and fascinating.

Absolutely. I can also recommend anyone interested in the Milgram experiment to read up on the Stanford Prison Experiment.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

282 davesax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:55:23pm

This is overkill.

Obama said in his speech that the Arab world cannot use the Palestinian Israeli dispute to ignore its own problems, but that is exactly what he is enabling here, by focusing the world’s attention on this dispute while visiting a former concentration camp.

A visit to Buchenwald is not an appropriate time to lecture Israel, yet again, about the settlements.

I feel he has been influenced by the view that sees international relations through a lense of Jewish power, as per his church and some of his associations in Chicago.

I would not be surprised if Dems are starting to squirm at these theatrics. Obama is setting himself up for a major smackdown.

283 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:55:45pm

re: #278 haakondahl

I’m sorry. As much as I would like to, I don’t find that funny.

284 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:56:08pm

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

Same here. I’ve been to Treblinka, not the kind of place that makes you want to get all “speechifying.”

Been to Bergen Belzen. It’s not zactly Wally World

285 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:56:18pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

The agenda is the same as Glenn Beck and Keith Olberman; get people to watch commercials for boner pills and detergent.

Hey, now that I’ve got some Ext-EnzE for my SHAMWOW, my political views are clean as a whistle……..and my GF too.

286 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:57:54pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

Not Ploome, it’s void of screaming obscenities and a rant against Christians in general

The presence of paragraphs and absence of spitting is another clue it’s not Ploome.

287 Clubsec  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:58:34pm

Well let’s see … first he says his Uncle told him all about liberating Auschwitz. But his uncle says he NEVER had any discussions with ObamUH about his Army days. Oh and there’s that little fact (hard thing facts are) that the Red Army liberated Auschwitz the US forces never went into Poland. Caught in this fabrication, ObamUH changes the story to say his familiarity with WWII came from his Grandfather …
Again, another lie.
But what the hell the media is just now getting around to asking some superficial questions about this man.
A complete and utter fraud.
Twelve Trillion Dollars lizards. $12*10^12 … $12,000,000,000,000.
A stack of 100 dollar bills over 8 thousand miles high. And your great grandchildren will still be paying a heavy tax for this stupid man and the Congress that enables him.

288 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:58:51pm

re: #285 IslandLibertarian

Hey, now that I’ve got some Ext-EnzE for my SHAMWOW, my political views are clean as a whistle……..and my GF too.

You must use Oxi-clean (shouting really loud like Billy Mayes).

289 davesax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 1:59:34pm

re: #276 sattv4u2

Satt,

I see what you’re saying, but I withhold credit. Standing near Eli Wiesel is hardly a bold political move.

This has the subtlety of a Hollywood blockbuster. Over directed and over written.

Obama is setting up Israel for another war in the middle east. And he doesn’t even realize it.

290 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:00:42pm

re: #286 Jimmah

The presence of paragraphs and absence of spitting is another clue it’s not Ploome.

ouch!

291 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:00:51pm

re: #273 jvic

I only read the transcript but gather that the speech sounded flat to some listeners.

1. It is impossible to be eloquent at Buchenwald. It is blasphemous to try.

2. Obama turned the podium over to Elie Wiesel. He turned the spotlight away from himself.

This is another occasion where fairness compels me to give him grudging credit.

Well said.

292 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:01:16pm

re: #289 davesax

Satt,

I see what you’re saying, but I withhold credit. Standing near Eli Wiesel is hardly a bold political move.

This has the subtlety of a Hollywood blockbuster. Over directed and over written.

Obama is setting up Israel for another war in the middle east. And he doesn’t even realize it.

Don’t be silly. I think that everybody sees the war coming. The problem is that some people think they see a way out of it.

293 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:01:40pm

Thread too long. Must go back outside rather than try to catch up.

P.S.
A couple months ago I mentioned a peach and plum tree that largely failed last year. I have know picked 3 dozen perfect peaches from one tree, and 10 (lost a bunch to some weird disfiguring blight) perfect plums. Apples and pears are still …ahem…in vitro, but I have high hopes.

294 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:02:08pm

Some Democrats are coming to their senses about BHO and Israel.

[Link: www.google.com…]

I hope we see more of this and I suspect we will.

295 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:02:18pm

re: #289 davesax

Satt,

I see what you’re saying, but I withhold credit. Standing near Eli Wiesel is hardly a bold political move.

This has the subtlety of a Hollywood blockbuster. Over directed and over written.

Obama is setting up Israel for another war in the middle east. And he doesn’t even realize it.

Obviously you did NOT, cause I didn’t “say it”. I give full credit to JVIC

296 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:02:27pm

re: #256 KenJen

Hey DEZ. Sup? At some point today my karma hit 1,000! How exciting! Drinks on me.

Then you must have lost your egg tooth.
Congrats and *cheers*

297 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:03:56pm

re: #293 Lincolntf

Thread too long. Must go back outside rather than try to catch up.

P.S.
A couple months ago I mentioned a peach and plum tree that largely failed last year. I have know picked 3 dozen perfect peaches from one tree, and 10 (lost a bunch to some weird disfiguring blight) perfect plums. Apples and pears are still …ahem…in vitro, but I have high hopes.

good for you…fruit trees are alot of fun when they get going…lots of small orchards here in the Rio Grande valley…if you care for them properly they surly return the favor

298 baier  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:04:03pm

OT
Obama’s average approval ratings are in the 50s for the first time.
It seems like this “honeymoon” was the result of drunken marriage conducted by an Elvis impersonator in Vegas. The hangover will be long and painful.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]

299 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:04:08pm

re: #258 Dianna

What?!

It’s sarc.

300 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:04:44pm

re: #278 haakondahl

Those weren’t people. Those were undergrads.

You’re awful. ;-)

GPRS? Oy, that is slow.

301 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:05:17pm

re: #298 baier

Not to be a nitpicker but it’s actually the second time.

302 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:05:27pm

re: #257 Dianna

I’m alive, sitting here waiting for some information to arrive. It’s been a weird and stressful couple months. I’m making it through, though.

Well, whatever it is, I hope that the information is good, and the waiting is not bad.

303 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:05:28pm

re: #298 baier

OT
Obama’s average approval ratings are in the 50s for the first time.
It seems like this “honeymoon” was the result of drunken marriage conducted by an Elvis impersonator in Vegas. The hangover will be long and painful.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]

An Elvis impersonator who couldn’t even sing.

304 davesax  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:05:32pm

re: #292 haakondahl

I’m not being silly. I don’t really understand why what I wrote warrented that.

re: #295 sattv4u2

Pretty touchy over a misread, satt.

Sorry, didn’t mean to upset you.

305 researchok  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:05:47pm

It bears remembering that who are so adamant in denying the Holocaust are the same people who believe the idea of a Holocaust is a fine one.

306 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:05:57pm

re: #294 _RememberTonyC

Some Democrats are coming to their senses about BHO and Israel.

[Link: www.google.com…]

I hope we see more of this and I suspect we will.

expect BO to pound the settlement issue to death…it’s his baby now and he won’t back off

307 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:08:03pm

ggrrrr,,,, my son just informed me that he and his friends will NOT be eating at the pool (theres a concession stand there with burgers, fries, chicken fingers, etc) and WILL be coming home for dinner,, AGAIN
They’re like a swarm of locusts

Last week, I made them 2 whole roasted chickens with sides. Funny thing is, I don;’t remember throwing out any BONES! !

308 baier  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:08:26pm

re: #303 Ward Cleaver

An Elvis impersonator who couldn’t even sing.

I’m still trying to figure out how Obama won…I just don’t get it.

309 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:08:44pm

re: #221 enoughalready

i have mentioned it a number of times in here.

310 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:08:48pm

re: #304 davesax

I’m not being silly. I don’t really understand why what I wrote warrented that.

re: #295 sattv4u2

Pretty touchy over a misread, satt.

Sorry, didn’t mean to upset you.


not upset, and not touchy at all. Just emphasizing for clarity

311 baier  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:09:32pm

re: #301 enoughalready

Not to be a nitpicker but it’s actually the second time.

It seems like this is the lowest the average has been at any rate.

312 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:09:38pm

re: #307 sattv4u2

Hmmm same chicken bone joke as last night satt. Time to go looking for some new material?

/btw are any of these kids related to pirhana’s?

313 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:09:57pm

re: #307 sattv4u2

ggrrrr,,,, my son just informed me that he and his friends will NOT be eating at the pool (theres a concession stand there with burgers, fries, chicken fingers, etc) and WILL be coming home for dinner,, AGAIN
They’re like a swarm of locusts

Last week, I made them 2 whole roasted chickens with sides. Funny thing is, I don;’t remember throwing out any BONES! !

They’ve obviously taken a shine to your cooking.

Time for Liver Surprise.

314 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:11:10pm

re: #312 BlueCanuck

Hmmm same chicken bone joke as last night satt. Time to go looking for some new material?

/btw are any of these kids related to pirhana’s?

sure ,, same group ,of kids (and perhaps a different audience here)

You think if you go see Larry The Cable Guy 2 nights in a row it’ll be all different material night # 2!?!?!?!


Get er Done!

315 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:12:03pm

re: #309 yochanan

i have mentioned it a number of times in here.

A thousand updings to you in that case. But I meant more in general.

316 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:12:20pm

re: #306 albusteve

expect BO to pound the settlement issue to death…it’s his baby now and he won’t back off

Bibi is a smart dude … Obama plays checkers, Bibi plays chess. Hopefully enough pro Israel Dems will give Israel some political cover at home while Bibi’s government deals with Obama. And by the summer of 2010 when Dems in the house are up for re-election, nature can take its course.

317 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:12:21pm

re: #312 BlueCanuck

Hmmm same chicken bone joke as last night satt. Time to go looking for some new material?

/btw are any of these kids related to pirhana’s?


well ,,, Kevins teeth are kinda pointy!

318 jorline  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:12:31pm

re: #307 sattv4u2

ggrrrr,,,, my son just informed me that he and his friends will NOT be eating at the pool (theres a concession stand there with burgers, fries, chicken fingers, etc) and WILL be coming home for dinner,, AGAIN
They’re like a swarm of locusts

Last week, I made them 2 whole roasted chickens with sides. Funny thing is, I don;’t remember throwing out any BONES! !

Sounds like the new conservative roasted chickens. I knew they didn’t have a backbone, but no bones at all? What will they think of next?
/

319 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:12:50pm

liver and onions…mmmmm….country gravy…one of god’s little gifts

320 Baier  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:12:50pm

re: #311 baier

It seems like this is the lowest the average has been at any rate.

It’s been lower one time before, but those that do not approve is the highest it’s ever been.
I hope that republican’s can take advantage of that dissatisfaction.

321 opnion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:13:01pm

re: #308 baier

I’m still trying to figure out how Obama won…I just don’t get it.

There was a carefully built mystique promoted by the media, people were mad at Bush & McCain ran a really bad campaign. To top it off the economy tanked & now it is looking like with Obama there is less there than meets the eye.

322 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:13:18pm

re: #311 baier

If I could be bothered (but I don’t feel like it) I’d make a moving average thing. But then again, I am not really all that surprised.

323 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:13:34pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

Sorry, didn’t mean to offend. Well not much at least. :)

/some jokes need a little time to mellow first, besides I used to be one of those kids.

324 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:14:30pm

re: #313 SixDegrees

They’ve obviously taken a shine to your cooking.

Time for Liver Surprise.

They could eat at my place. Ramen’s on top of the fridge - help yourself, guys. Keep your hands of my Rockstar, though. /

325 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:14:36pm

re: #319 albusteve

liver and onions…mmmmm….country gravy…one of god’s little gifts

It ain’t proper unless there’s bacon or sausage on the plate. A proper mixed grill IMHO.

326 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:15:19pm

re: #316 _RememberTonyC

Bibi is a smart dude … Obama plays checkers, Bibi plays chess. Hopefully enough pro Israel Dems will give Israel some political cover at home while Bibi’s government deals with Obama. And by the summer of 2010 when Dems in the house are up for re-election, nature can take its course.

sounds good and I hope you are right….keep in mind there are like 50 blue dogs in the House and they can make the difference…that’s what you are saying of course

327 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:15:34pm

re: #320 Baier

It’s been lower one time before, but those that do not approve is the highest it’s ever been.
I hope that republican’s can take advantage of that dissatisfaction.


As long as they don;t try to do it all at once (meaning give up the nitpicking and concentrate on the big picture). Little by little chip away. There are still a good 12+ months before the 2010 “election season” starts in earnest. Talking about this senate seat or that congress seat is premature today

328 KenJen  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:15:40pm

Nite Lizards. Everyone have a great weekend.

329 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:16:36pm

re: #323 BlueCanuck

Sorry, didn’t mean to offend. Well not much at least. :)

/some jokes need a little time to mellow first, besides I used to be one of those kids.

Me too. Thats why we don;t mind being THE house where his freinds congregate

330 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:16:40pm

re: #301 enoughalready

Not to be a nitpicker but it’s actually the second time.

Well, it had to go up through the fifties at some point, so perhaps this is actually the third time?

331 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:17:04pm

re: #325 BlueCanuck

It ain’t proper unless there’s bacon or sausage on the plate. A proper mixed grill IMHO.

oh man…drool

332 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:17:38pm

re: #327 sattv4u2

As long as they don;t try to do it all at once (meaning give up the nitpicking and concentrate on the big picture). Little by little chip away. There are still a good 12+ months before the 2010 “election season” starts in earnest. Talking about this senate seat or that congress seat is premature today

From the looks of things, it’s premature for Republicans to talk about winning anything before 2016.

333 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:18:38pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Brokaw apparently asked Obama “what Israel could learn from Buchenwald,” and Obama responded that there was no equivalency.

The lesson is grim and stark. Books such as Mein Kampf are not just a way of letting off steam. They’re templates for action.

The clouds gather again. The Sayings of Chairman Ahmadinejad are thinly veiled second editions of Mein Kampf.

Can we say that Iran just wouldn’t do anything of the sort; they’re a civilized society with all sorts of culture? Maybe so. Maybe Iran has sense enough not to hitch its star to the meteoric mayor of Tehran. Meteors, after all, go down in flames.

334 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:18:43pm

re: #332 haakondahl

From the looks of things, it’s premature for Republicans to talk about winning anything before 2016.

look for an upset

335 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:18:44pm

re: #332 haakondahl

From the looks of things, it’s premature for Republicans to talk about winning anything before 2016.

Angels and ministers of grace preserve us!

336 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:19:43pm

re: #332 haakondahl

From the looks of things, it’s premature for Republicans to talk about winning anything before 2016.

Not really. There are signs that Dodd for one is in real trouble in Connecticut. He’s up for re-election in 2010. There are many congressional districts that are in the THROW THE BUM OUT mood, regardless of what party is ‘in” right now. Coincidently, it happens to be mostly DEMS that are “in” right now

337 kaymad  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:20:50pm

My impression of Obama warming up for a speech…”mememememememememememem”, because it is all about him. It doesn’t matter who he is speaking to, it all somehow, someway, relates back to him and his family history.

338 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:22:46pm

re: #332 haakondahl

re: #336 sattv4u2

That stated, i’m not saying the the repubs will get a majority in eitehr house in 2010, but if we could gain 2-3 seats back in the Senate and another 15-25 in the house,,,,,,,,,,,

339 opnion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:22:52pm

re: #332 haakondahl

From the looks of things, it’s premature for Republicans to talk about winning anything before 2016.

The really disturbing thing about the last election was the overwhelming Latino support that Obama got. I didn’t see that coming.
The Republicans have got to make some inroads there & really push for the Independents. It all could come together.

340 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:23:42pm

re: #326 albusteve

sounds good and I hope you are right….keep in mind there are like 50 blue dogs in the House and they can make the difference…that’s what you are saying of course

not exactly what I was saying, but I do not disagree with you!

341 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:23:58pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Brokaw apparently asked Obama “what Israel could learn from Buchenwald,” and Obama responded that there was no equivalency.

Actually, he said there was no equivalency……..BUT…….

Nothing he says stays for long. He’s mercurial in his proclamations.

342 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:24:22pm

re: #334 albusteve

look for an upset

encourage your local Dem Congresscritter to push for gun control

/

343 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:24:23pm

re: #336 sattv4u2

Not really. There are signs that Dodd for one is in real trouble in Connecticut. He’s up for re-election in 2010. There are many congressional districts that are in the THROW THE BUM OUT mood, regardless of what party is ‘in” right now. Coincidently, it happens to be mostly DEMS that are “in” right now

We might make gains but only by running the right people. The GOP’s command structure is still largely non-functional and without it we will be unable to run a national campaign.

344 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:24:43pm

OT: Don’t all book flights to London at once, but its “Harry’s Place Big Day Out 3” on June 21st. Tour of ‘radical’ Islington - and a posssible chance of meeting me are on the agenda for any intrepid continent hopping Lizards out there.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org…]

345 opnion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:24:47pm

re: #336 sattv4u2

Not really. There are signs that Dodd for one is in real trouble in Connecticut. He’s up for re-election in 2010. There are many congressional districts that are in the THROW THE BUM OUT mood, regardless of what party is ‘in” right now. Coincidently, it happens to be mostly DEMS that are “in” right now

And if the Dems don’t defeat Roland Buriss in the Primary, Illinois could elect a Republican Senator.

346 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:25:06pm

re: #341 Russkilitlover

Actually, he said there was no equivalency……..BUT…….

Nothing he says stays for long. He’s mercurial in his proclamations.

And it was a major BUT at that.

347 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:25:58pm

re: #346 brookly red

And it was a major BUT at that.

Michelle is gonna want that back …

/that was mean right there; I’m sorry, Lord

/

348 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:26:46pm

re: #318 jorline

Sounds like the new conservative roasted chickens. I knew they didn’t have a backbone, but no bones at all? What will they think of next?
/

No bones? I thought they were gutless.

349 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:26:48pm

Boy I don’t get it. Obama hate amongst the Right is at least equal to Bush hate among the Left. But somehow THAT was wrong and this is not:

Obama talks about the Shoah too much.
Obama doesn’t talk about the Shoah enough.
He didn’t make eye contact.
His speech was flat and cold.
He’s full of shit.
Merkel looks bored.

And I’m sorry, he didn’t once mention the settlements AT ALL here.

What? No nasty comments for the two survivors? What are you a bunch of chickens?

What a bunch of sick fucks you are.

One person upthread said he was in Buchenwald. Have any others of you been to a Nazi camp? How about Yad Vashem? It’s amazing to me that his knees aren’t buckling under him. It wasn’t something I was able to do after my tour of Yad Vashem. I collapsed in a weeping heap.

350 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:27:16pm

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

We might make gains but only by running the right people. The GOP’s command structure is still largely non-functional and without it we will be unable to run a national campaign.


Now see, I don;’t buy that (they’re leader/ruderless) at ALL

Tell me who RIGHT after the 2000 election was the “leader” of the Dems. Who was their “leader” RIGHT after the 2004 election?

I could make the same point going back to just about EVERY aftermath of a Presidentila election for the vanquished party!

351 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:28:18pm

re: #345 opnion

And if the Dems don’t defeat Roland Buriss in the Primary, Illinois could elect a Republican Senator.

The GOP could win even if we don’t face Burris. The Dems in Illinois aren’t all that popular right now. What we need is a candidate for the Senate, and for governor. With the right people running, we have a good chance.

352 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:28:38pm

re: #345 opnion

And if the Dems don’t defeat Roland Buriss in the Primary, Illinois could elect a Republican Senator.

Is that seat up in 2010? (I thought I heard it was, but not sure). If it is, are there any Repub names being bandied about?

353 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:28:41pm

re: #347 OldLineTexan

Michelle is gonna want that back …

/that was mean right there; I’m sorry, Lord

/

I don’t know if I should respond, or just leave that one behind…

354 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:29:26pm

re: #349 American Sabra

Boy I don’t get it. Obama hate amongst the Right is at least equal to Bush hate among the Left. But somehow THAT was wrong and this is not:

Obama talks about the Shoah too much.
Obama doesn’t talk about the Shoah enough.
He didn’t make eye contact.
His speech was flat and cold.
He’s full of shit.
Merkel looks bored.

And I’m sorry, he didn’t once mention the settlements AT ALL here.

What? No nasty comments for the two survivors? What are you a bunch of chickens?

What a bunch of sick fucks you are.

One person upthread said he was in Buchenwald. Have any others of you been to a Nazi camp? How about Yad Vashem? It’s amazing to me that his knees aren’t buckling under him. It wasn’t something I was able to do after my tour of Yad Vashem. I collapsed in a weeping heap.

Who are you addressing?

355 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:30:04pm

For those updinging #349, who are the “sick fucks”?

I just dropped in, and boy am I confused.

356 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:30:37pm

re: #346 brookly red

And it was a major BUT at that.

That seems to be a repeating, and annoying, pattern in his speeches. There is ALWAYS - it seems - a HOWEVER. You can quote him out of context in any direction you care to. He agrees and disagrees with everyone. OK - I’m exaggerating, but it is really annoying - like a see saw.

357 doubter4444  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:30:39pm

re: #165 ladycatnip

This ruined the whole thing for me. We have to remember the perps were human too, then guard against cruelty in ourselves? What a despicable trivialization of what was done to the Jews!

Question: When was the last time any of us ever had to fight the urge to kill whole families, humiliate them, perform wicked experimental torture on them without anesthesia, or use their skin for lampshades, to name just a few vile acts of these “humans”?

The answer: Never.

Who writes this stuff? To compare the sadism of the Nazi’s to each of us is ludicrous and offensive. You can’t compare sociopathic behavior with a normal person - it’s saying, “Remember, Dr. Hannibal Lecter was a person too; and since we’re all human, you must guard your hearts against doing those very same things.”

Disgusting.

So, I won’t even go into the “normal German who gets swept up in the regime” aspect of the second world war.
But to say that something like that could never happen is flat wrong.
For example: there are a half a dozen threads on this site alone about the the Army of God and the murder of Tiller.
All of them deal with the assumption that the Anti-Abortionists know Gods plan and are doing what is right, and that abortion feel they have the right and obligation to do something bout it.
While the vast majority on this site feels that it’s wrong, many other sites celebrate the act, and would if given their way imprison other Americans and/or forcibly convert them to their way of thinking.

Think of it: do you really think that rabid Anti-Abortion leaders would stop with Abortion being outlawed?
Or would fundamentalists push for more and more “correct” positions: Religion in schools, Christianity as the national religion, Creationism, Women in traditional roles and so on.
Now think what it takes for that mindset.
It only takes an authoritarian psychopath, one you agree with, and some power, and people fall into line.
People will do as they are told, want to get along, left alone.
Someone quoted Mao the other day: Kill one to scare a thousand.

Obama was talking about the “banality of evil”, and how in a given circumstance, even decent people can do unthinkable things.
That’s kind of an important thing to say and it recognizes our weakness as humans to be able to compartmentalize evil, and that we need to be aware of that weakness and meet it in the light as the only way to beat it.

By the way, I had the honor of going to Mauthausen CC years ago in the company of Simon Wiesenthal, who was imprisoned there during the war. It was a raw March day, freezing really, and you could imagine the workers breaking rocks in bare feet, and wondering how anyone could possibly survive that kind of treatment. He pointed out the cliff over looking the quarry where the musicians had to play as the slaves went to work or to be shot.
I remember looking over at Wiesenthal who was old, and fat and hobbled slowly, and thought how tough an old bird he was, and how strong the human soul is when it has to be.

He spoke to me personally, (as the only young, white goy there) and reminded me that it can happen again.
Any time, in any country. Unless you remember.
And guard against it.

358 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:31:19pm

Here’s another good one from The Onion:

[Link: www.theonion.com…]

359 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:31:28pm

OT: Air France 447 airspeed indicator was possibly malfunctioning.

I know of two major airliner crashes that were caused by airplane cleaning crews accidentally leaving masking tape over the pitot tubes after they washed the plane. (This screwed up airspeed and altitude measurements once in flight.) I wonder if that’s what happened here.

360 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:31:38pm

re: #349 American Sabra

Boy I don’t get it. Obama hate amongst the Right is at least equal to Bush hate among the Left. But somehow THAT was wrong and this is not:

Obama talks about the Shoah too much.
Obama doesn’t talk about the Shoah enough.
He didn’t make eye contact.
His speech was flat and cold.
He’s full of shit.
Merkel looks bored.

And I’m sorry, he didn’t once mention the settlements AT ALL here.

What? No nasty comments for the two survivors? What are you a bunch of chickens?

What a bunch of sick fucks you are.

One person upthread said he was in Buchenwald. Have any others of you been to a Nazi camp? How about Yad Vashem? It’s amazing to me that his knees aren’t buckling under him. It wasn’t something I was able to do after my tour of Yad Vashem. I collapsed in a weeping heap.

Most of the comments on this thread has been moderate, seeing most of Obama’s statements at Buchenwald to be honest and meaningful.

And then there has been about 4 commenters on this thread that have completely jumper the shark. I up dinged you because I agree with most of your statement.

I disagree with your “What a bunch of sick fucks you are.” That was totally unneeded.

361 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:31:39pm

re: #355 OldLineTexan

For those updinging #349, who are the “sick fucks”?

I just dropped in, and boy am I confused.

Me too.. I read the last line..It was moving..I updinged it..Then went back and read the thing about sick fucks and reversed my ding..I await to see the reply

362 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:32:06pm

re: #349 American Sabra

Your sensitivity does you credit, I’m sure, but politicians and their speeches are always open to interpretation and criticism.

363 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:32:39pm

re: #362 Dianna

Your sensitivity does you credit, I’m sure, but politicians and their speeches are always open to interpretation and criticism.

I’m not a “sick fuck”; I had all my shots.

/

364 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:32:57pm

re: #356 Catttt

That seems to be a repeating, and annoying, pattern in his speeches. There is ALWAYS - it seems - a HOWEVER. You can quote him out of context in any direction you care to. He agrees and disagrees with everyone. OK - I’m exaggerating, but it is really annoying - like a see saw.

I just think he is talking out of both sides of his face. Again.

365 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #339 opnion

The really disturbing thing about the last election was the overwhelming Latino support that Obama got. I didn’t see that coming.
The Republicans have got to make some inroads there & really push for the Independents. It all could come together.

Republicans made major inroads in the black and latino votes in Bush’s first term. Then blew it like almost everything else during the second, as the administration stoutly refused to engage the media or the country on points they could easily win and certainly should have.

366 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #363 OldLineTexan

I’m not a “sick fuck”; I had all my shots.

/

Even the swine flu sick fuck shot? I hear they are expensive shots..

367 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:33:42pm

re: #363 OldLineTexan

I’m not a “sick fuck”

/

Not even in the good sense of the word “sick”?

368 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:33:47pm

re: #349 American Sabra

breath and read the posts here. Some (me included) sensed Obama was moved by what he saw. His voice didn;t have it’s usual upbeat command
Some (me included) stated that we have been to a camp (Bergen-Belsen in my case)

369 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:33:52pm

re: #362 Dianna

Your sensitivity does you credit, I’m sure, but politicians and their speeches are always open to interpretation and criticism.

Unless you’re a North Korean, or possibly Chinese …

370 caligal  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:34:27pm

For someone who usually gives powerfully delivered speeches, this is a poor job. Obviously, he did not pre-read it. I am embarrassed that this is the best the US has to offer.

371 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:34:38pm

I am addressing a number of people who made nasty comments about Obama’s speech. It wasn’t all of you and a number of you didn’t do such a thing (in fact did the opposite), but it enrages me to see such a thing.

372 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:34:41pm

re: #367 Occasional Reader

Not even in the good sense of the word “sick”?

No, neither “sick”, nor “phat”.

Not cool at all I am.

373 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:35:33pm

re: #371 American Sabra

Next time, then, pick the nics out.

374 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:35:39pm

re: #371 American Sabra

This statement

What a bunch of sick fucks you are.

Seems to be rather unlimited in application.

375 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:36:23pm

re: #366 HoosierHoops

Even the swine flu sick fuck shot? I hear they are expensive shots..

I laugh at HINI, pig pox, etc.

/

376 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:36:34pm

re: #370 caligal

For someone who usually gives powerfully delivered speeches, this is a poor job. Obviously, he did not pre-read it. I am embarrassed that this is the best the US has to offer.

What the fuck did you want him to do? Have you ever been to a concentration or death camp in Europe? The whole experience will take most of everything out of you. You are walking on the ashes of a million people, you see thing that you can’t even imagine (books do it no justice), you’re lucky if you are not sick to your stomach.

Get real. What did you want him to do, a dance?

377 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:36:50pm

re: #370 caligal

For someone who usually gives powerfully delivered speeches, this is a poor job. Obviously, he did not pre-read it. I am embarrassed that this is the best the US has to offer.

OR ,,, as many of us beleive, what he saw today moved him. I have seen one of those camps. I don;t think I spoke coherently for days. Just a mumble here, a mumble there

378 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:37:08pm

re: #375 OldLineTexan

I laugh at HINI

Doesn’t it depend on whose?

For instance, Adriana’s HINI is no laughing matter.

379 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:37:25pm

re: #360 Walter L. Newton

Most of the comments on this thread has been moderate, seeing most of Obama’s statements at Buchenwald to be honest and meaningful.

And then there has been about 4 commenters on this thread that have completely jumper the shark. I up dinged you because I agree with most of your statement.

I disagree with your “What a bunch of sick fucks you are.” That was totally unneeded.

I can go back and count, but it seemed more than 4. I spent about 20 minutes reading through. Those people are sick, filled with so much Obama hatred, they can’t take the man’s obvious sincerety and well spoken words.

FYI, I’m infuriated with Obama over what’s going on with Israel, but I’m at least willing to see what, if any, influence it has on the region.

380 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:37:34pm

re: #372 OldLineTexan

No, neither “sick”, nor “phat”.

Not cool at all I am.

uhhh, thats kewl

381 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:38:04pm

re: #371 American Sabra

I am addressing a number of people who made nasty comments about Obama’s speech. It wasn’t all of you and a number of you didn’t do such a thing (in fact did the opposite), but it enrages me to see such a thing.

Then address the offending parties, not an all inclusive statement like you made.

And yes, I’ve been to Treblinka, to Poland, to Warsaw, I’ve even wrote an award winning play about 200 orphans who where one of the first groups to be exterminated in Treblinka.

So, settle down.

382 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:38:05pm

re: #378 Occasional Reader

Doesn’t it depend on whose?

For instance, Adriana’s HINI is no laughing matter.

She has that gold cloaking device on the third finger of her left hand. I cannot see her.

/

383 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:38:14pm

re: #371 American Sabra

I am addressing a number of people who made nasty comments about Obama’s speech. It wasn’t all of you and a number of you didn’t do such a thing (in fact did the opposite), but it enrages me to see such a thing.

I’ll make a nasty comment about his tie if I want

384 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #349 American Sabra

Damn right. The Onion should start selling special shit-tinted Obama-vision glasses for these people. “Tired of that disturbing feeling you sometimes get listening to Obama, that maybe he’s not quite as bad as you thought? With our unique patented Obama-vision lenses we guarantee you’ll never walk away from an Obama speech again with anything less than a 100% negative impression.”

385 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:38:21pm

re: #380 brookly red

SEE! ? ! ?

/

386 kaymad  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:38:54pm

I wouldn’t be so terribly pessimistic about republican chances of taking one of the houses or at least making gains. After the resignation of Nixon did anyone think republicans would come back so soon? Some of the stuff thrown around posing as earth shaking issues are minor issues and pointless naval gazing. None of it is going to matter a wit when hyper inflation kicks in along with the economic fall out from the bailouts, the stimulus, the gargantuan budget, to name a few.

387 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:39:01pm

re: #362 Dianna

Your sensitivity does you credit, I’m sure, but politicians and their speeches are always open to interpretation and criticism.

Really? You think his speech was so bad here? Or maybe it’s just more appropriate to comment on his eyes and his stance and Merkel’s “boredom” and how he talks too much/not enough about the Shoah. Those are disgusting comments considering THIS speech and THIS place.

388 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:39:06pm

re: #349 American Sabra

i went to see one in the late 1950s and besides that 95% of my wife’s family was butchered in euroland during ww2 by Nazi scum either by German Nazi’s or there Romanian and Hungarian lackeys.

10,000,000 died in the camps 4,000,000 gentiles but only the Romany were murdered just for being who they were. An unknown number of Russian civilians also died on the eastern front.

389 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:39:09pm

re: #379 American Sabra

I can go back and count, but it seemed more than 4. I spent about 20 minutes reading through. Those people are sick, filled with so much Obama hatred, they can’t take the man’s obvious sincerety and well spoken words.

FYI, I’m infuriated with Obama over what’s going on with Israel, but I’m at least willing to see what, if any, influence it has on the region.

Never mind, you totally miss the point don’t you. You made an all inclusive statement, and that was wrong. It’s an insult to most of us.

390 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:39:39pm

re: #371 American Sabra

I am addressing a number of people who made nasty comments about Obama’s speech. It wasn’t all of you and a number of you didn’t do such a thing (in fact did the opposite), but it enrages me to see such a thing.

“Enrages”? My.

391 caligal  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:39:58pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

actually, yes, I have been to two of them. I expected more from him.
They are powerful sites; not an excuse for a poor execution of a speech.
And, he still embarrasses me.

392 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:40:07pm

re: #390 Occasional Reader

“Enrages”? My.

faux

393 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:40:38pm

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

What the fuck did you want him to do? Have you ever been to a concentration or death camp in Europe? The whole experience will take most of everything out of you. You are walking on the ashes of a million people, you see thing that you can’t even imagine (books do it no justice), you’re lucky if you are not sick to your stomach.

Get real. What did you want him to do, a dance?

Well that’s one! (to whom you were responding)

and thanks for you comment.

394 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:40:43pm

re: #370 caligal

For someone who usually gives powerfully delivered speeches, this is a poor job. Obviously, he did not pre-read it. I am embarrassed that this is the best the US has to offer.

In fairness, BHO was not using a prompter today, which forced him to look down at his script repeatedly. When using the prompter, he can maintain a semblence of eye contact with his audience since he is reading the same script, but it is in front of his face. Personally, the fact that he had to look down at his script gave it a more solemn feel than if he was able to maintain his usual gaze into the distance while reading his speech. I think you picked up on the essence of his public speaking secret: the prompter makes him seem omnipotent and brilliantly talented. But today he seemed to be neither of them.

395 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:41:42pm

re: #379 American Sabra

FYI, I’m infuriated with Obama over what’s going on with Israel

So you’re “infuriated” at Obama, but feel “rage” at those who criticized his Buchenwald speech.

Okay.

396 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:41:48pm

re: #393 American Sabra

Well that’s one! (to whom you were responding)

and thanks for you comment.

You still won’t address the fact that you address “all sick fuck.” We are not all sick fucks, you understand that?

397 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:41:50pm

re: #394 _RememberTonyC

Tony, you’re not supposed to reason with someone of a different opinion … you’re supposed to yell “fuck” at them!

Now get back to that post and try again!

/

398 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:42:39pm

re: #370 caligal

For someone who usually gives powerfully delivered speeches, this is a poor job. Obviously, he did not pre-read it. I am embarrassed that this is the best the US has to offer.

If Obama had walked out of Buchenwald and given a smooth, polished speech, what would have been your reaction?

399 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:42:48pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

Then address the offending parties, not an all inclusive statement like you made.

And yes, I’ve been to Treblinka, to Poland, to Warsaw, I’ve even wrote an award winning play about 200 orphans who where one of the first groups to be exterminated in Treblinka.

So, settle down.

I’m glad you’re able to understand my point, but don’t tell me to settle down. I’ll writh and seethe as much as I want to. I found it very offensive and it was from quite a few folks. Or do I really need to point out each one?

400 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:43:05pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

You still won’t address the fact that you address “all sick fuck.” We are not all sick fucks, you understand that?

I just got slapped with a very broad brush.

401 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:43:13pm

an American pol. talking about the Holocaust is a safe subject

the pressure he will put on Israel is much more worrisome to me. and Iran getting a nuke could lead to a second Jewish Holocaust. FRANKLY THAT WORRIES ME A LOT.

402 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:43:59pm

re: #399 American Sabra

I’m glad you’re able to understand my point, but don’t tell me to settle down. I’ll writh and seethe as much as I want to. I found it very offensive and it was from quite a few folks. Or do I really need to point out each one?

Yes, because, guess what Sunshine, we ain’t ALL sick fucks.

403 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:44:22pm

re: #400 DEZes

I just got slapped with a very broad brush.

For a sick fuck, you sure fucking whine a lot. Fuck off, fucker.

/

/Tony, did you see how I did that? Now you try …

404 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:44:44pm

re: #387 American Sabra

Really? You think his speech was so bad here? Or maybe it’s just more appropriate to comment on his eyes and his stance and Merkel’s “boredom” and how he talks too much/not enough about the Shoah. Those are disgusting comments considering THIS speech and THIS place.

Excuse me?

I have listened to his speech. I don’t have much to say about it, because other people addressed the parts I was going to comment on.

So…back off me.

405 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:45:02pm

re: #403 OldLineTexan

For a sick fuck, you sure fucking whine a lot. Fuck off, fucker.

/

/Tony, did you see how I did that? Now you try …

Pass the cheese tray.

406 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:45:08pm

re: #371 American Sabra

I am addressing a number of people who made nasty comments about Obama’s speech. It wasn’t all of you and a number of you didn’t do such a thing (in fact did the opposite), but it enrages me to see such a thing.

re: #399 American Sabra

I’m glad you’re able to understand my point, but don’t tell me to settle down. I’ll writh and seethe as much as I want to. I found it very offensive and it was from quite a few folks. Or do I really need to point out each one?

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I will go back an un ding the down ding (but I won;t make it an up ding. I’m not all that convinced)

407 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:45:23pm

re: #384 Jimmah

Damn right. The Onion should start selling special shit-tinted Obama-vision glasses for these people. “Tired of that disturbing feeling you sometimes get listening to Obama, that maybe he’s not quite as bad as you thought? With our unique patented Obama-vision lenses we guarantee you’ll never walk away from an Obama speech again with anything less than a 100% negative impression.”

I didn’t really think I’d find something to laugh about on this thread because quite frankly, I’m near tears. I have a very difficult time watching things like this, and it was just a speech, but I think I empathize too much… mainly with Weisel and the other fellow and Merkel too. It’s her people after all.

Anyway, thanks for making me feel a bit better.

408 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:45:32pm

re: #399 American Sabra

I’m glad you’re able to understand my point, but don’t tell me to settle down. I’ll writh and seethe as much as I want to. I found it very offensive and it was from quite a few folks. Or do I really need to point out each one?

yes I think you should…it would be fun

409 opnion  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:45:36pm

re: #365 haakondahl

Republicans made major inroads in the black and latino votes in Bush’s first term. Then blew it like almost everything else during the second, as the administration stoutly refused to engage the media or the country on points they could easily win and certainly should have.

Well time to regroup & do a better job. I would not want to see a 2nd Obama term.

410 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:45:44pm

re: #403 OldLineTexan

You sound like you’re ready to lead a rousing chorus of “Shut Your F****g Face, Uncle-F****r”, from South Park. And that makes me furiously enraged!

411 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:46:10pm

re: #399 American Sabra

I’m glad you’re able to understand my point, but don’t tell me to settle down. I’ll writh and seethe as much as I want to. I found it very offensive and it was from quite a few folks. Or do I really need to point out each one?


ummm,, in a word , YES

It would have defleceted a LOT of incoming, no!?!?!?

412 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:46:37pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

You still won’t address the fact that you address “all sick fuck.” We are not all sick fucks, you understand that?

Is there something wrong with you? I was talking about the people who were dissing Obama’s speech and/or stance. If you didn’t do that, you have no reason for concern.

413 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:46:45pm

re: #397 OldLineTexan

Tony, you’re not supposed to reason with someone of a different opinion … you’re supposed to yell “fuck” at them!

Now get back to that post and try again!

/


my bad “OLT” …. I promise to fucking work on my weak fucking responses. LOFL

414 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:46:47pm

re: #410 Occasional Reader

You sound like you’re ready to lead a rousing chorus of “Shut Your F****g Face, Uncle-F****r”, from South Park. And that makes me furiously enraged!

That’s a fucking sick song for a bunch of sick fucks.

/

415 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:46:48pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

You still won’t address the fact that you address “all sick fuck.” We are not all sick fucks, you understand that?

He didn’t say anything of the sort. There have been a few comments on this thread to which his post was explicitly addressed. It doesn’t take a genius to see which ones they were. He quotes them.

The comment may have been a little over the top, but to say that it looked like it was supposed to be applied to everyone here is ridiculous.

416 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:46:57pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

You still won’t address the fact that you address “all sick fuck.” We are not all sick fucks, you understand that?

I am not getting the feeling that AS cares. She’s mad, and she doesn’t care who she insults, right now.

417 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:47:03pm

re: #387 American Sabra

and how he talks too much/not enough about the Shoah

Well, that aspect MIGHT be explained by the fact that there are… you know… several people on the thread, who perhaps have differing opinions.

418 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:47:13pm

re: #399 American Sabra

I’m glad you’re able to understand my point, but don’t tell me to settle down. I’ll writh and seethe as much as I want to. I found it very offensive and it was from quite a few folks. Or do I really need to point out each one?

No…You need to address any posts that offend you..To paint Lizard nation as a bunch of sick fucks is offensive to me...
I hope we understand each other…

419 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:47:51pm

re: #414 OldLineTexan

That’s a fucking sick song for a bunch of sick fucks.

/

well fuck you! you fuckin fuck
(bumper sticker)

420 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:48:08pm

re: #399 American Sabra

I knew you were upset so didn’t chide you for hyperbole. We all have hyperbolic moments. I know you know we are not all sick fucks.

421 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:48:31pm

re: #399 American Sabra

I’m glad you’re able to understand my point, but don’t tell me to settle down. I’ll writh and seethe as much as I want to. I found it very offensive and it was from quite a few folks. Or do I really need to point out each one?

Why, yes. Yes, you do.

You are not the only person here with sensitive feelings.

422 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:48:43pm

re: #388 yochanan

i went to see one in the late 1950s and besides that 95% of my wife’s family was butchered in euroland during ww2 by Nazi scum either by German Nazi’s or there Romanian and Hungarian lackeys.

10,000,000 died in the camps 4,000,000 gentiles but only the Romany were murdered just for being who they were. An unknown number of Russian civilians also died on the eastern front.

I heard stories from both sides of my family for years. We have pictures, thank goodness, of most who were murdered, before the camps. I’m 2nd generation Zionist born here.

423 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:48:55pm

re: #418 HoosierHoops

No…You need to address any posts that offend you..To paint Lizard nation as a bunch of sick fucks is offensive to me...
I hope we understand each other…

{Hoops}

424 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:49:16pm

re: #399 American Sabra

I’m glad you’re able to understand my point, but don’t tell me to settle down. I’ll writh and seethe as much as I want to. I found it very offensive and it was from quite a few folks. Or do I really need to point out each one?

re: #407 American Sabra

Anyway, thanks for making me feel a bit better.

For what it’s worth, I’m still focused on your offer to writhe as much as you want.

425 doubter4444  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:49:51pm

re: #349 American Sabra

Boy I don’t get it. Obama hate amongst the Right is at least equal to Bush hate among the Left. But somehow THAT was wrong and this is not:

Obama talks about the Shoah too much.
Obama doesn’t talk about the Shoah enough.
He didn’t make eye contact.
His speech was flat and cold.
He’s full of shit.
Merkel looks bored.

And I’m sorry, he didn’t once mention the settlements AT ALL here.

What? No nasty comments for the two survivors? What are you a bunch of chickens?

What a bunch of sick fucks you are.

One person upthread said he was in Buchenwald. Have any others of you been to a Nazi camp? How about Yad Vashem? It’s amazing to me that his knees aren’t buckling under him. It wasn’t something I was able to do after my tour of Yad Vashem. I collapsed in a weeping heap.


AS:
I really think that the most fascinating thing about going to either (for a gentile, anyway) is that when you are there it not only about Jews, it’s about how you as a person absorb it and take in the experience.
Not being Jewish, for me it was about humanity, and how this happened to people for no other reason than their religion, or nationality, or for some, their sexual orientation, and how, as I said above it can happen again to others.

While there my feeling was similar to one described by AS above, but different, I felt almost nauseous, and also, a tiny twinge of guilt: I was 25 when I was there.
I was not Jewish so I had not lost family to the camps, and as a white Protestant in Germany in 1933, what would I have done?
Would I have had the courage to do something?
I was with an older group of UJA donors and most had been there or other CC’s before and many had parents or relatives that had been sent to one of the camps. Twenty fire years later I can still remember the feeling and I still wonder what i would have done.

426 Gus  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:49:51pm

Barack Obama is the first POTUS to visit Buchenwald.

427 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:50:00pm

re: #422 American Sabra

I heard stories from both sides of my family for years. We have pictures, thank goodness, of most who were murdered, before the camps. I’m 2nd generation Zionist born here.

if your offended, log off…pretty simple…otherwise put up or shut up

428 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:50:07pm

re: #412 American Sabra

Is there something wrong with you? I was talking about the people who were dissing Obama’s speech and/or stance. If you didn’t do that, you have no reason for concern.

I think most people here will give you the benefit of the doubt, but this tends to be a place that is mostly civil. And since you describe yourself as prickly on the outside and sweet on the inside, you clearly recognize that you can be abrasive.

Whatever …

429 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:50:20pm

re: #415 Jimmah

He didn’t say anything of the sort. There have been a few comments on this thread to which his post was explicitly addressed. It doesn’t take a genius to see which ones they were. He quotes them.

The comment may have been a little over the top, but to say that it looked like it was supposed to be applied to everyone here is ridiculous.

No referenced post AT ALL. no name.
/statements
/linefeed
What a bunch of sick fucks you are.
/linefeed

Unambiguous.

430 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:50:47pm

re: #422 American Sabra

I heard stories from both sides of my family for years. We have pictures, thank goodness, of most who were murdered, before the camps. I’m 2nd generation Zionist born here.

And that makes you special, but not privileged. There are other persons on the thread that agree with your general feelings, but don’t like to hear all inclusive statement like “All you fucks.”

431 SonOfLiberty  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:51:04pm

Continuing the theme of the previous thread (I was asleep at the time!); I hope this hasn’t been discussed but this particular reaction fascinates me:

Al-Ahram (Egypt): This Is a Change in the West’s Centuries-Old Attitude Towards Islam

The Egyptian daily Al-Ahram, in its editorial, called Obama’s speech “the culmination of the statements [promising] change that began during [Obama’s] election campaign, and gained momentum after his victory… [It can be said,] without exaggeration, that Obama’s speech will enter the annals of history as one of the most important documents illustrating the desire of the West, headed by the U.S., to [adopt] a new stance towards Islam and the Muslims, after centuries of aggression and hostility.


“Centuries of aggression?”

How do they figure that one? We’re only barely centuries old!

432 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:51:19pm

re: #401 yochanan

an American pol. talking about the Holocaust is a safe subject

the pressure he will put on Israel is much more worrisome to me. and Iran getting a nuke could lead to a second Jewish Holocaust. FRANKLY THAT WORRIES ME A LOT.

It worries me too.

433 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:51:34pm

re: #429 OldLineTexan

No referenced post AT ALL. no name.
/statements
/linefeed
What a bunch of sick fucks you are.
/linefeed

Unambiguous.

I’m just standing here minding my own business I and get seethed upon…it just ain’t right, you know?

434 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:51:35pm

Well, we should all report for sensitivity training as soon as possible.

Get a grip, you sick fucks.

435 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:51:50pm

re: #431 SonOfLiberty

Hey, the West started it by refusing to be completely conquered.

436 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:51:58pm

FRANKLY FOR AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO BE AGAINST THE HOLOCAUST IS A SAFE SUBJECT

esp. when you look at what he wants to do to Israel.
frankly I am underwhelmed by this speech.

437 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:52:00pm

re: #404 Dianna

Excuse me?

I have listened to his speech. I don’t have much to say about it, because other people addressed the parts I was going to comment on.

So…back off me.

You’re response to me #362 sounded condescending. If you didn’t mean it that way, I apologize.

438 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:52:08pm

re: #423 DEZes

{Hoops}

DEZ! what up? hope today finds you well you sick fuck..
//////

439 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:52:28pm

re: #434 haakondahl

Well, we should all report for sensitivity training as soon as possible.

Get a grip, you sick fucks.

I am pretty much going to seethe at you for a while.

/stand right there

440 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:52:47pm

re: #429 OldLineTexan

No referenced post AT ALL. no name.
/statements
/linefeed
What a bunch of sick fucks you are.
/linefeed

Unambiguous.

But are we twisted?

441 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:52:50pm

re: #415 Jimmah

He didn’t say anything of the sort. There have been a few comments on this thread to which his post was explicitly addressed. It doesn’t take a genius to see which ones they were. He quotes them.

The comment may have been a little over the top, but to say that it looked like it was supposed to be applied to everyone here is ridiculous.

Thanks. I’m a girl btw :)

442 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:53:11pm

does anyone know that FUCK is an acronym?

For
Unlawful
Carnal
Knowledge

443 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:53:24pm

re: #438 HoosierHoops

DEZ! what up? hope today finds you well you sick fuck..
//////

Doing great for a sick fuck.
Yourself?

444 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:53:55pm

re: #440 DEZes

But are we twisted?

Don’t know about you, but I have been told my laugh is pure evil. :)

445 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:54:04pm

re: #440 DEZes

But are we twisted?

I don’t know … I haven’t been given the list.

/

446 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:54:05pm

re: #421 Dianna


You are not the only person here with sensitive feelings.

I think at times like this, we need to all reach down deep inside, and find our inner Gunny Hartman.

447 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:54:09pm

re: #434 haakondahl

Well, we should all report for sensitivity training as soon as possible.

Get a grip, you sick fucks.

fuck your grip…gripless fucks have a fucking voice too

448 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:54:15pm

re: #421 Dianna

Why, yes. Yes, you do.

You are not the only person here with sensitive feelings.

True.

I think as a result of my job being helping people with their investments in a front line way, I don’t take things personally and get upset about that sort of thing. I’m used to ruffled feathers and upset people. However, in real life, if someone called me a sick fuck out of the blue, depending on the situation, I might punch him.

449 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:54:24pm

re: #442 _RememberTonyC

does anyone know that FUCK is an acronym?

For
Unlawful
Carnal
Knowledge

You know that’s a load of crap, right?

450 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:54:29pm

re: #437 American Sabra

You’re response to me #362 sounded condescending. If you didn’t mean it that way, I apologize.

Actually, given how really irate I was after your original comment, you’re lucky I wasn’t oozing sticky-sweet condescension with a poisonous jab at you. It took three effort to make it even marginally civil.

451 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:54:42pm

re: #442 _RememberTonyC

does anyone know that FUCK is an acronym?

For
Unlawful
Carnal
Knowledge

OR, it’s from the Dutch verb “fokken”, to breed, as in animals.

452 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:55:11pm

re: #441 American Sabra

Thanks. I’m a girl btw :)

AS … I think I remember this … from you … to me … about a week or so ago …

Hey sweetie, you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the blog.

/now that I know you are female … the Sweetie thing … yeah that really sucks even worse …

453 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:55:16pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

I think at times like this, we need to all reach down deep inside, and find our inner Gunny Hartman.

I think you should find your inner child, and kick its whiny little ass.

/

454 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:55:35pm

re: #420 Catttt

I knew you were upset so didn’t chide you for hyperbole. We all have hyperbolic moments. I know you know we are not all sick fucks.

THANK YOU! Yeesh, a bit of sanity.

455 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:55:43pm

fuck it, I’m over it now

456 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:55:47pm

re: #440 DEZes

But are we twisted?

yep

457 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:55:59pm

re: #451 OldLineTexan

OR, it’s from the Dutch verb “fokken”, to breed, as in animals.

Why are you dragging me into this?

Or dragging Operation Rescue into this.

458 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:56:00pm

re: #449 haakondahl

You know that’s a load of crap, right?

Per Wiki: The Oxford English Dictionary states that the ultimate etymology is uncertain, but that the word is “probably cognate” with a number of native Germanic words with meanings involving striking, rubbing, and having sex.

459 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:56:06pm

re: #429 OldLineTexan

No referenced post AT ALL. no name.
/statements
/linefeed
What a bunch of sick fucks you are.
/linefeed

Unambiguous.

As I said he quoted them - paraphrased at any rate. It’s pretty clear that his comment was directed at those who made those remarks. If you can read, you will be able to see who posted them. Seems straightforward enough to me. Or, alternatively , you could fail to read the thread and just keep whining about how Sabra attacked the whole of LGF.

460 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:56:07pm

re: #449 haakondahl

You know that’s a load of crap, right?

You just don’t want to be a sick F.U.C.K.

/

461 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:56:10pm

I wonder what the Googel ads will be if we keep typing in fuck?

462 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:56:25pm

re: #449 haakondahl

You know that’s a load of crap, right?

it sounded good …. please edumacate me

463 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #424 haakondahl

For what it’s worth, I’m still focused on your offer to writhe as much as you want.

hehee been awhile has it? ;)

464 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:56:49pm

re: #461 brookly red

porn?

465 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:56:55pm

re: #448 Catttt

True.

I think as a result of my job being helping people with their investments in a front line way, I don’t take things personally and get upset about that sort of thing. I’m used to ruffled feathers and upset people. However, in real life, if someone called me a sick fuck out of the blue, depending on the situation, I might punch him.

I work in nonprofit world, and I deal with people who think their particular cause is the most important thing in the world all day, every day. Over the past sixteen years, I’ve found my tolerance has gotten thinner.

466 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:57:09pm

re: #441 American Sabra

Thanks. I’m a girl btw :)

Ok….I’ll remember that in future :)

467 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:57:11pm

re: #459 Jimmah

As I said he quoted them - paraphrased at any rate. It’s pretty clear that his comment was directed at those who made those remarks. If you can read, you will be able to see who posted them. Seems straightforward enough to me. Or, alternatively , you could fail to read the thread and just keep whining about how Sabra attacked the whole of LGF.

I can read, and I’m not whining. I asked a question; got no answer.

Clearer for you, now?

Or would you like to condescend for a few more posts?

468 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:57:49pm

re: #461 brookly red

I wonder what the Googel ads will be if we keep typing in fuck?

Better looking than Bill Fucking Ayers, I bet.

/

469 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:57:51pm

re: #443 DEZes

Doing great for a sick fuck.
Yourself?

I’m doing great…It’s going to be a nice weekend…Swimming pool time!

470 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:08pm

fuck, fucked, fuckers, fucking and fucker

did i miss one?

471 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:14pm

re: #458 Catttt

with meanings involving striking, rubbing, and having sex

“Shoot… a feller could have himself a helluva weekend in Vegas with this stuff.”

-Maj. T.J. “King” Kong

472 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:17pm

re: #459 Jimmah

As I said he quoted them - paraphrased at any rate. It’s pretty clear that his comment was directed at those who made those remarks. If you can read, you will be able to see who posted them. Seems straightforward enough to me. Or, alternatively , you could fail to read the thread and just keep whining about how Sabra attacked the whole of LGF.

nice ,, THAT’LL raise the level of discourse!

ggggeeeezzzz!

473 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:21pm

re: #461 brookly red

I wonder what the Googel ads will be if we keep typing in fuck?


muslim camel dating service?

474 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:25pm

re: #456 _RememberTonyC

Thanks. My favorite Joanie Mitchell song. I thought I was the only who remembered it.

475 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:33pm

re: #462 _RememberTonyC

it sounded good …. please edumacate me

It has been in use for far longer than English has had Latinate monstrosites like “unlawful” and “latinate”.

476 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:54pm

I’m not enjoying this thread at all.

477 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:58:56pm

re: #470 yochanan

fuck, fucked, fuckers, fucking and fucker

did i miss one?

fuckist
fucktard
fucktoid

478 Red Pencil  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:59:09pm

re: #442 _RememberTonyC

does anyone know that FUCK is an acronym?

For
Unlawful
Carnal
Knowledge

Complete BS, it is an Anglo Saxon word with obvious Germanic roots widely spoken by pre literate Anglo Saxons.

Anyone who says a naughty word in common usage is an “acronym” is full of shit. “Shit” isn’t an acronym either, tho I have heard it claimed as one.

479 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:59:12pm

re: #463 American Sabra

hehee been awhile has it? ;)

Now that’s a low non-blow.

480 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:59:13pm

re: #459 Jimmah

She didn’t credit. It read (to my admittedly jaundiced eye) like a complaint aimed at any possible comment made.

Whatever.

I don’t care any more.

481 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:59:39pm

re: #475 haakondahl

It has been in use for far longer than English has had Latinate monstrosites like “unlawful” and “latinate”.

Those became popular at StarBucks, no ?

482 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 2:59:42pm

re: #476 Kenneth

I’m not enjoying this thread at all.

can you imagine what Charles mother thinks?

483 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:00:01pm

re: #464 yochanan

porn?

well it won’t be pizza hut ;)

484 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:00:07pm

re: #475 haakondahl

It has been in use for far longer than English has had Latinate monstrosites like “unlawful” and “latinate”.


well I’ll be fucked!

{thanks}

485 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:00:10pm

Honestly, I’ll have to say that he’s done a workmanlike job during his current trip, for the most part. Perhaps he sucked up to the Arabs a bit much for my taste, and he inferred some sort of moral equivalence between the Arabs and the Israelis, which annoyed me. He didn’t overtly sell out Israel in terms of existing settlements, at least not yet, and his remarks at Buchenwald were appropriate.

If he pissed of the Germans…..whatever.

I think he will win few fans among the fundamentalist Muslims because, let’s face it, they really don’t want peace. He made the overture and put the ball in their court; no doubt they’ll return it with an IED taped to it.

I’ll give him his due; he could have done A LOT worse and he exceeded my expectations.

Does this make me like him more? No. It does, however make me fear him a little less and at this point, I’ll take whatever consolation I can.

When it comes to a crisis (and mark Joe’s words, there will be one), we’ll see what he’s got.

486 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:00:20pm

re: #477 albusteve

fuckist
fucktard
fucktoid

Fuckwad?

/or is that two words?

487 Gus  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:00:27pm

re: #477 albusteve

fuckist
fucktard
fucktoid

There’s another with the suffix “able” which I won’t type here.

488 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:00:36pm

re: #454 American Sabra

THANK YOU! Yeesh, a bit of sanity.

It would be great if you showed a little sanity andtook back your general sick fuck post about LGF..Come on.. You can do it…
There are a few lizards that can piss me off..don’t believe we are all sick fucks… Come on AS.. We are your friends here

489 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:00:49pm

re: #475 haakondahl

It has been in use for far longer than English has had Latinate monstrosites like “unlawful” and “latinate”.

Eureka! We’ll open a “fusion” restaurant featuring dishes from across Central and South America, and call it “Latinate”.

490 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:00:53pm

re: #478 Red Pencil

Complete BS, it is an Anglo Saxon word with obvious Germanic roots widely spoken by pre literate Anglo Saxons.

Anyone who says a naughty word in common usage is an “acronym” is full of shit. “Shit” isn’t an acronym either, tho I have heard it claimed as one.

Special High Intensity Training.

491 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:01:05pm

re: #461 brookly red

I wonder what the Googel ads will be if we keep typing in fuck?

Something having to do with the Stimulus Bill or TARP funds?

492 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:01:16pm

unfucked

493 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:01:19pm

re: #482 albusteve

ROTFLMFAO

/I pledge to raise the level of discourse at LGF
Even if it involves logging out

494 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:01:19pm

re: #474 BatGuano

Thanks. My favorite Joanie Mitchell song. I thought I was the only who remembered it.


back in my college days, it was one of our anthems!

495 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:01:27pm

re: #486 BlueCanuck

Fuckwad?

/or is that two words?

there are no rules…it’s fucking anarchy

496 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:02:09pm

no good ads yet… :(
come on ya fuckers

497 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:02:18pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

Eureka! We’ll open a “fusion” restaurant featuring dishes from across Central and South America, and call it “Latinate”.

I thought that’s what a pregnant Spanish woman does?

498 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:02:20pm

re: #478 Red Pencil

widely spoken by pre literate Anglo Saxons

… even today.

499 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:02:22pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

Eureka! We’ll open a “fusion” restaurant featuring dishes from across Central and South America, and call it “Latinate”.

Sounds more like a diagnosis for diarrhea.

500 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:02:31pm

re: #465 Dianna

Oh, boy. I might feel that way too. Don’t know if I could be patient enough!

My clients all have money, even if it is only 50 bucks a month, and my department is all about helping people with problems. Everything I do is explaining, fixing, helping with problems, listening when people need to vent, etc. I’ve also been there a long time and know things other people don’t, so I get IMs and calls from in the company for help. Someone obviously wrote my number on the bathroom wall. :D I have this empathy thing, which goes well with the position. That’s good, because knowing what people are thinking can be a bummer - it’s good when it comes in handy.

501 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:02:53pm

re: #491 Truck Monkey

Something having to do with the Stimulus Bill or TARP funds?

no for that enter fucked…

502 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:03:12pm

re: #498 Occasional Reader

… even today.

Ha!

503 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:03:15pm

Charles…I apologize…


for these other psychos….

504 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:03:26pm

re: #494 _RememberTonyC

I should have been in college in 1974 but I was absent. Dammit!

505 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:03:31pm

re: #501 brookly red

no for that enter fucked…

Screwed, blued and tattooed?

506 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:03:43pm

re: #493 OldLineTexan

ROTFLMFAO

/I pledge to raise the level of discourse at LGF
Even if it involves logging out

Don’t you fucking leave now you sick fucker!
/////

507 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:03:44pm

re: #497 Walter L. Newton

I thought that’s what a pregnant Spanish woman does?

Or, what one does to a Spanish woman, just prior to getting her pregnant.

WHAT?

With that, I’m out, for now.

508 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:03:58pm

re: #490 haakondahl

Special High Intensity Training.

So Happy It’s Thursday.

/Love watching the wheels turn when I spout that one to some people.
//What can I say? I am a little evil.

509 Gus  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:00pm

FUBAR!

510 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:12pm

re: #491 Truck Monkey

Something having to do with the Stimulus Bill or TARP funds?

Funny. Stimulus Bill made me think of President Clinton.

511 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:13pm

re: #482 albusteve

can you imagine what Charles mother thinks?

She thinks we’re a bunch of sick fucks.

512 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:19pm

re: #493 OldLineTexan

Note:

“Striking Out” a capital “F” loses its zing as the strike bar is near-unnoticeable.

/

513 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:20pm

re: #467 OldLineTexan

I can read, and I’m not whining. I asked a question; got no answer.

Clearer for you, now?

Or would you like to condescend for a few more posts?

If you can’t match the remarks mentioned in Sabras post to the posts in this thread that they referenced, - which is all it takes to dispel this “she attacked everyone here” nonsense, then you’ve got a problem of some sort. That’s all I’m saying.

514 Tarkus289  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:31pm

Fornication
Under
Consent of the
King.

I don’t believe it, but I’ve heard that it came from that.

515 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:34pm

re: #511 haakondahl

She thinks we’re a bunch of sick fucks.

well…you are

516 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:53pm

re: #494 _RememberTonyC

back in my college days, it was one of our anthems!

By the by, Is Tony C a reference to Conigliaro?

517 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:04:55pm

re: #508 BlueCanuck

So Happy It’s Thursday.

/Love watching the wheels turn when I spout that one to some people.
//What can I say? I am a little evil.

Thursday is my Friday - and I know EXACTLY what you mean.

518 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:05:05pm

re: #425 doubter4444

AS:
I really think that the most fascinating thing about going to either (for a gentile, anyway) is that when you are there it not only about Jews, it’s about how you as a person absorb it and take in the experience.
Not being Jewish, for me it was about humanity, and how this happened to people for no other reason than their religion, or nationality, or for some, their sexual orientation, and how, as I said above it can happen again to others.

While there my feeling was similar to one described by AS above, but different, I felt almost nauseous, and also, a tiny twinge of guilt: I was 25 when I was there.
I was not Jewish so I had not lost family to the camps, and as a white Protestant in Germany in 1933, what would I have done?
Would I have had the courage to do something?
I was with an older group of UJA donors and most had been there or other CC’s before and many had parents or relatives that had been sent to one of the camps. Twenty fire years later I can still remember the feeling and I still wonder what i would have done.

It’s a good point. No, you don’t have to be Jewish at all. I think everyone should see a Holocaust memorial at least once. Even in their home towns. It’s beyond Judiasm of course, like you say, into the face of humanity.

I was 16 and with Young Judea, Jewish youth group, at the time. All of us (about 33) pretty much hit the ground after exiting. At least we all had to sit, everyone was weaping.

519 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:05:12pm

re: #478 Red Pencil

Complete BS, it is an Anglo Saxon word with obvious Germanic roots widely spoken by pre literate Anglo Saxons.

Anyone who says a naughty word in common usage is an “acronym” is full of shit. “Shit” isn’t an acronym either, tho I have heard it claimed as one.

So you just said I’m full of shit?

520 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:05:13pm

LATINATE

(please consult your physician if your erection lasts more than 4 hours, or if you have night sweats, heart palpitations, dry throat, runny nose, internal bleeding, athletes foot, halitosis, ear hair,,,,,,,,,,,,,)

521 jcm  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:05:21pm

re: #359 Occasional Reader

OT: Air France 447 airspeed indicator was possibly malfunctioning.

I know of two major airliner crashes that were caused by airplane cleaning crews accidentally leaving masking tape over the pitot tubes after they washed the plane. (This screwed up airspeed and altitude measurements once in flight.) I wonder if that’s what happened here.

The B-2 was lost because ground crew didn’t dry out the airspeed and angle of attack sensors. It was a known procedure to the home base crews, but not a documented preflight step so the Guam crews with the higher humidity didn’t dry out those sensors. The B-2s flight computer thought it’s angle was to shallow and pitched up.

522 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:05:37pm

re: #513 Jimmah

If you can’t match the remarks mentioned in Sabras post to the posts in this thread that they referenced, - which is all it takes to dispel this “she attacked everyone here” nonsense, then you’ve got a problem of some sort. That’s all I’m saying.

Gee, thanks for that!

Remind me to help you some time.

/

523 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:05:47pm

re: #505 Dianna

Screwed, blued and tattooed?

taquila will do that…

524 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:06:04pm

re: #426 Gus 802

Barack Obama is the first POTUS to visit Buchenwald.

I didn’t know that. All the more reason to stop criticizing him for stupid things.

525 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:06:06pm

re: #506 HoosierHoops

Don’t you fucking leave now you sick fucker!
/////

Sick FUCK. Sick fucker and sick fuck - two different things. :D

526 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:06:43pm

re: #517 Catttt

Back one summer on a base I was at they always served grilled steak on Thursdays. That’s what they would post on the menu board. “So Happy….”.

/I am not that original most of the time. Just file off the serial numbers when I can.

527 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:06:44pm

re: #519 _RememberTonyC

So you just said I’m full of shit?

No, but the person who told you that was.

528 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:06:46pm

re: #523 brookly red

taquila will do that…

Explaining why I don’t touch it! I knew there had to be a rational cause!

I don’t like most of the “clear” liquors, anyway.

529 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:08:02pm

re: #528 Dianna

Explaining why I don’t touch it! I knew there had to be a rational cause!

I don’t like most of the “clear” liquors, anyway.

WHAT!…my opinion of just crashed

530 katemaclaren  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:08:28pm

re: #425 doubter4444

I know what you mean. I’m not Jewish; I was 27 when I went to Dachau. My stepfather was in the Army in WWI, and he was in that group (division?—I don’t know) of soldiers who liberated this camp. He didn’t talk about it for years—and when he did, he brought out several photos he had taken. I was only a teenager—and completely horrified. However, when my husband and I were in German (driving) looking for the camp, we actually had the nerve (I can’t believe it now) to stop someone and ask them for directions. I don’t even remembering being embarrassed (what a nerve, eh?). I saw everything there, but didn’t feel sick or faint—I felt anger—a lot of anger. I do remember thinking—how could these people not know what was going on? After a few years, though, I began to think it was fairly courageous for the Germans to acknowledge their behavior—and NOT to tear down the camps and destroy the evidence—after all, they could have just obliterated them. Just a thought.

531 Gus  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:08:45pm

re: #524 American Sabra

I didn’t know that. All the more reason to stop criticizing him for stupid things.

Yep. After a while all the criticisms of the minutia gets old. Being curious I did a search for “first us president to visit Buchenwald” and got the details. He is indeed the first.

532 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:08:48pm

re: #528 Dianna

Explaining why I don’t touch it! I knew there had to be a rational cause!

I don’t like most of the “clear” liquors, anyway.

awwww come on, it’s Friday.

533 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:09:05pm

re: #513 Jimmah

If you can’t match the remarks mentioned in Sabras post to the posts in this thread that they referenced, - which is all it takes to dispel this “she attacked everyone here” nonsense, then you’ve got a problem of some sort. That’s all I’m saying.

Guess I’ll need to research every fucking 500 posts to pick out the who she called sick fucks..I’m over it…She was being emotional..I don’t blame her in some ways..There have been a Billion tears shed over millions of deceased..
That can make anyone upset…
May your heart find peace tonight AS…And may God dry your tears tonight

534 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:09:06pm

re: #529 albusteve

WHAT!…my opinion of just crashed

If it comforts you at all, I don’t touch hard liquor any more anyway. It’s too hard on my stomach, and goes to my head too fast.

535 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:09:07pm

re: #523 brookly red

re: #528 Dianna

I only drink it because the liquor store won;t sell me just the worm!

536 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:09:41pm

re: #532 brookly red

awwww come on, it’s Friday.

Buy me a (virtual) glass of red wine, then.

537 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:09:46pm

re: #470 yochanan

fuck, fucked, fuckers, fucking and fucker

did i miss one?

Fuckee.

As in “American Taxpayer.”

538 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:10:22pm
Shit - Etymology

Scholars trace the word back to Old Norse origin (skīta), and it is virtually certain that it was used in some form by preliterate Germanic tribes at the time of the Roman Empire. It was originally adopted into Old English as scitte, eventually morphing into Middle English schītte. The word may be further traced to Proto-Germanic *skit-, and ultimately to Proto-Indo-European *skheid-, “split, divide, separate.” Conceptually, it refers to that part of the body (the excrement), which is “divided” from the rest of the body. It is related to the verb “to shed” (as in, “to shed one’s skin”), “schism”, and other words in common English usage.

Source: [Link: www.experiencefestival.com…]

539 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:10:28pm

re: #431 SonOfLiberty

Continuing the theme of the previous thread (I was asleep at the time!); I hope this hasn’t been discussed but this particular reaction fascinates me:


“Centuries of aggression?”

How do they figure that one? We’re only barely centuries old!

Two Centuries > plural
Our “Aggression” began when we were paying 20% of the Federal budget to the Barbary States as protection money. That way, the Barbarians would not attack our ships and enslave the crews. President Jefferson finally took it to the Barbarians with John Paul Jones, Steven Decatur and the U.S. Navy. Once a treaty had been signed, end of protection money.
Yep, sounds like aggression to me.
/s

540 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:10:36pm

re: #522 OldLineTexan

Gee, thanks for that!

Remind me to help you some time.

/

Ok - remember to help me some time, OLT.

541 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:10:39pm

re: #516 BatGuano

By the by, Is Tony C a reference to Conigliaro?

yes! my first hero in sports.

542 katemaclaren  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:10:44pm

re: #449 haakondahl

You know that’s a load of crap, right?

Definitely a load of crap. AND it was a word borrowed into English—not originated. Most serious etymologists speculate that it is a Dutch word.

543 Red Pencil  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:10:46pm

re: #519 _RememberTonyC

So you just said I’m full of shit?


er, well, I was meaning whoever dumped that load of crap on you… And trying to supply a critical thinking tip to help you dodge the next one.

544 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:10:48pm

re: #534 Dianna

If it comforts you at all, I don’t touch hard liquor any more anyway. It’s too hard on my stomach, and goes to my head too fast.

well okay…tequila does answers all life’s problems tho…I use it only medicially

545 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #441 American Sabra

Thanks. I’m a girl btw :)

Prickly on the outside, sweet on the inside…
Cactus Girl!
/h

546 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:11:40pm

I, for the record, would like to say that I am not, nor have I ever been, a “sick fuck”.

A crazy fuck? Yes, but that was many years ago and I was lucky to survive.
A somewhat eccentric fuck? Well, yes.
An opinionated fuck? Guilty.
A dumb fuck? Once, when I had laryngitis.
A lame fuck? I did break my leg once.

Thank you.

547 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:11:48pm

re: #536 Dianna

Buy me a (virtual) glass of red wine, then.

grumbel, grumbel, *%^$#!

is merlot OK?

548 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:11:52pm

re: #536 Dianna

Buy me a (virtual) glass of red wine, then.

How about a nice glass of virtual BV merlot from Napa?

549 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:12:15pm

re: #541 _RememberTonyC

yes! my first hero in sports.

Excellent tribute. I know what you mean.

550 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:12:17pm

Alright, folks, I’m off to bed. Be good to each other. Don’t give each other too much Steaming Heap In Toilet.

551 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:12:26pm

re: #548 HoosierHoops

I changed my avatar. What do you see?

552 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #548 HoosierHoops

How about a nice glass of virtual BV merlot from Napa?

I’ll have a virtual coffee - black.

553 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:13:05pm

re: #547 brookly red

grumbel, grumbel, *%^$#!

is merlot OK?

I have a tumbler staring at me now…so yes I would think so…it’s Merot Time!

554 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:13:06pm

re: #527 haakondahl

No, but the person who told you that was.


I read it on the internet … so I guess the [Link: WWW…] full of shit …

555 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:13:14pm

re: #547 brookly red

grumbel, grumbel, *%^$#!

is merlot OK?

Indeed!

556 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:13:23pm

re: #533 HoosierHoops

Guess I’ll need to research every fucking 500 posts to pick out the who she called sick fucks..I’m over it…She was being emotional..I don’t blame her in some ways..There have been a Billion tears shed over millions of deceased..
That can make anyone upset…
May your heart find peace tonight AS…And may God dry your tears tonight

Here - if you didn’t make one of the remarks referenced:

Obama talks about the Shoah too much.
Obama doesn’t talk about the Shoah enough.
He didn’t make eye contact.
His speech was flat and cold.
He’s full of shit.
Merkel looks bored.

And I’m sorry, he didn’t once mention the settlements AT ALL here.

…then she wasn’t talking about you. That’s how I knew she wasn’t talking about me. I’m obviously missing the rocket science element in all of this…lol

557 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:13:29pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I changed my avatar. What do you see?

ummm,, wouldn’t that depend on where I’m LOOKING ?!?!?!

OR ,, if my eyes are even open !

gggeeezzz!

558 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:13:47pm

re: #552 Catttt

I’ll have a virtual coffee - black.

I like my coffee like I like my women.
Black
Bitter
Strong

559 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:14:00pm

re: #520 sattv4u2

LATINATE

(please consult your physician if your erection lasts more than 4 hours, or if you have night sweats, heart palpitations, dry throat, runny nose, internal bleeding, athletes foot, halitosis, ear hair,,,,,,,,,,,,,)

How do I fix that!… except for the erection thing.

560 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:14:10pm

re: #548 HoosierHoops

How about a nice glass of virtual BV merlot from Napa?

Any time!

I like BV, but they’ve let themselves slip a bit in the past couple years. I’ve actually thought Bogle was doing a better job for the money, lately.

561 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:14:19pm

re: #533 HoosierHoops

But as for the rest of your post, cool.

562 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:14:29pm

re: #552 Catttt

I’ll have a virtual coffee - black.

Kona coffee.. The best in the world..
Hi Catttt

563 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:14:35pm

Bite me.

/the reference is left up to the reader.

564 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:14:47pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I changed my avatar. What do you see?

That’s a picture of albusteve, right?

565 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:00pm

re: #556 Jimmah

…then she wasn’t talking about you. That’s how I knew she wasn’t talking about me. I’m obviously missing the rocket science element in all of this…lol

But you do get an A for effort.

566 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:11pm

re: #563 OldLineTexan

Bite me.

/the reference is left up to the reader.

Another painter with a large brush?
/

567 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:18pm

re: #530 katemaclaren

After a few years, though, I began to think it was fairly courageous for the Germans to acknowledge their behavior—and NOT to tear down the camps and destroy the evidence—after all, they could have just obliterated them. Just a thought.

I visited Ravensbrück in 1993 with my brother and his German wife, who live in Berlin. Afterwards they told me about the controversy in the area of the camp between some who wanted to build a shopping center there, and others who want the camp preserved forever. It’s an ongoing dispute.

568 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:23pm

re: #558 Truck Monkey

well i like my coffee

sweet and creamy

569 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:35pm

re: #564 haakondahl

That’s a picture of albusteve, right?

who stole my soul?

570 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:38pm

re: #564 haakondahl

That’s a picture of albusteve, right?

No me. The other picture was me 7 years ago.

571 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #566 Truck Monkey

Another painter with a large brush?
/

S’matta wit you? Can’t read?

/

572 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:50pm

re: #74 Lynn B.

I confess I let out an audible sigh of relief when that list ended without … more. In this place and time, good choice, Mr. President.

Here’s a question…has any president before Obama specifically used the word “homophobia” in a speech? If not, that’s progress of a sort, in itself.

573 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:15:51pm

re: #544 albusteve

well okay…tequila does answers all some of life’s problems though…I use it only medicially medicinally


FIFY

574 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:16:18pm

re: #570 Walter L. Newton

No me. The other picture was me 7 years ago.

Put them both up for comparison

575 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:16:24pm

re: #562 HoosierHoops

Kona coffee.. The best in the world..
Hi Catttt

You have expensive taste. ;)

576 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:16:24pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I changed my avatar. What do you see?

you lost yer hat?

577 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:16:51pm

re: #558 Truck Monkey

I like my coffee like I like my women.
Black
Bitter
Strong

I like my coffee like I like my women:

steaming in silence at the breakfast table.

578 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:16:59pm

re: #560 Dianna

Any time!

I like BV, but they’ve let themselves slip a bit in the past couple years. I’ve actually thought Bogle was doing a better job for the money, lately.

OMG! We were bored at work today and checked out Bogle winery…The prefix was 916..so it must be by Sac…

579 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:02pm

re: #573 NelsFree

FIFY

spelling is for sissies

580 katemaclaren  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:20pm

re: #11 Gearhead

Big stack ‘o’ cards

I wonder who wrote the notes for the speech on the cards.

581 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:25pm

re: #575 DEZes

You have expensive taste. ;)

We drink Kauai (medium roasted) at our house. Almost as good, and about half the price.

582 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:27pm

civit cat coffee YUM

583 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:28pm

re: #548 HoosierHoops

How about a nice glass of virtual BV merlot from Napa?

I’m drinking a BV Coastal Cabernet.

584 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:32pm

re: #577 haakondahl

I like my coffee like I like my women:

steaming in silence at the breakfast table.

That could be the ‘bitter’ part

585 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:50pm

re: #582 yochanan

civit cat coffee YUM

yea poop coffee!

586 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:51pm

re: #579 albusteve

spelling is for sissies

phuc

587 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:52pm

OK. Sick fuck is done to death.

Shall we discuss well fucks now? /

588 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:17:58pm

re: #578 HoosierHoops

OMG! We were bored at work today and checked out Bogle winery…The prefix was 916..so it must be by Sac…

They’re a ways up there - I think near Geyserville.

589 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:18:14pm

re: #577 haakondahl

I like my coffee like I like my women:

steaming in silence at the breakfast table.

Gawd that’s funny!

590 katemaclaren  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:18:30pm

re: #563 OldLineTexan

Bite me.

/the reference is left up to the reader.

You are such a bad old dog!

591 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:18:39pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I changed my avatar. What do you see?

A hippie! Dude you need a haircut! LOL
Hi Walter!

592 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:18:43pm

re: #583 BatGuano

I’m drinking a BV Coastal Cabernet.

Yellow Tail Merlot with a dash of Dark Eye vodka…it’s a race to the finish

593 Tarkus289  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:18:49pm

I like my coffee ………… that’s all.

594 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:18:55pm

re: #585 OldLineTexan

THAT explains why starfucks tastes so bad.

595 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:19:04pm

re: #579 albusteve

Akkording to J Fn’ Kary, if ya cant spel u git sent to Irak!

596 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:19:19pm

re: #549 BatGuano

Excellent tribute. I know what you mean.

thanks! when someone like you notices it, I really asppreciate that.

597 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:19:31pm

re: #586 brookly red

phuc

yeah?…phuc yoo too

598 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:19:38pm

re: #595 pingjockey

Akkording to J Fn’ Kary, if ya cant spel u git sent to Irak!

Halp us Jon Karry!

599 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:19:44pm

re: #581 Dianna

We drink Kauai (medium roasted) at our house. Almost as good, and about half the price.

I just realized…. I havent had a cup of coffee yet this year.

600 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:19:50pm

re: #587 Catttt

OK. Sick fuck is done to death.

Shall we discuss well fucks now? /

Oh, Cattt…

Excuse me while I hide under my desk. Even I thought of something wildly inappropriate there, and what the guys are going to type fills me with anticipatory squick.

601 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:02pm

re: #597 albusteve

yeah?…phuc yoo too

Phuc Yu is good, but the service at Phuc Yu 2 is terrible.

/

602 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:11pm

re: #587 Catttt

OK. Sick fuck is done to death.

Shall we discuss well fucks now? /

I’m feeling pretty fucking well!

603 doubter4444  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:28pm

re: #442 _RememberTonyC

does anyone know that FUCK is an acronym?

For
Unlawful
Carnal
Knowledge

Really?
I thought Shaskespere said it?
Or is it that old an acronym?
Did they even have acronyms back then?
What’s Victorian for “I LOLed”?

604 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:33pm

I don’t type terribly fast and when this board starts too move, I simply can’t keep up with all the comments, since the last 200 odd were directed at me. So if you didn’t get a personal response from me, I’m sure I’ll have something to throw at you next time….

I’m glad a few people understood my post, typed out of anger, pain and a great deal of sadness. Not usually a good time to post, but it still conveyed my feelings. I think those who point out a man’s meaningless foibles during what was surely one of the most emotional times of his life has to be a sick, certainly unfeeling individual. Any one of you who had this experience can understand that and I would hope the rest could empathize. Obviously some cannot.

605 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:43pm

re: #597 albusteve

yeah?…phuc yoo too

all that and no good ads :(

606 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:44pm

re: #599 DEZes

I just realized…. I havent had a cup of coffee yet this year.

And you’re able to live?!

607 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:49pm

re: #600 Dianna

Fear not. I took an oath, and I shall keep it.

/

No guarantees on albusteve, though.

608 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:53pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I changed my avatar. What do you see?


[Link: www.thevirtualvine.com…]

609 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:20:56pm

re: #548 HoosierHoops

How about a nice glass of virtual BV merlot from Napa?


BV Coastal Merlot is one of the best $10 bottles of wine I have had.

610 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:21:01pm

re: #585 OldLineTexan

yea poop coffee!

“CAT” poop coffee.

611 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:21:24pm

re: #570 Walter L. Newton

No me. The other picture was me 7 years ago.

Amazing. I wouldn’t believe it’s the same person. Congratulations on your weight loss.

612 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:21:27pm

re: #600 Dianna

Oh, Cattt…

Excuse me while I hide under my desk. Even I thought of something wildly inappropriate there, and what the guys are going to type fills me with anticipatory squick.

I bet you wished you hadn’t written that… :-D

613 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:21:28pm

Time for a “New Emotion”

614 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:21:45pm

two extra large x. sugar and x cream. don’t like the taste of black coffee but need it.

615 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:21:49pm

re: #601 OldLineTexan

Phuc Yu is good, but the service at Phuc Yu 2 is terrible.

/

wouldn’t know….I only frequent Hispanic massage parlors

616 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:21:59pm

re: #558 Truck Monkey

I like my coffee like I like my women.
Black
Bitter
Strong

I like mine sweet and blonde!

617 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:22:23pm

re: #591 HoosierHoops

A hippie! Dude you need a haircut! LOL
Hi Walter!

It’s down to my shoulders now.

618 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:22:24pm

OMG. I think the college grads may be starting their annual insanity parade. Sigh. (Hear drunks followed by loud rice burner noise tooting off down the street.)

619 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:22:27pm

re: #603 doubter4444

Really?
I thought Shaskespere said it?
Or is it that old an acronym?
Did they even have acronyms back then?
What’s Victorian for “I LOLed”?

LOL … I have been corrected by several lizards on this. I should stick to politics and sports and leave etymology to others.

620 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:22:57pm

re: #604 American Sabra

You are entitled to your emotional reaction to the setting, and your memories, and I think others are entitled to their emotional reactions to the speaker, and their fears and/or anger.

621 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:23:34pm

re: #604 American Sabra

I don’t type terribly fast and when this board starts too move, I simply can’t keep up with all the comments, since the last 200 odd were directed at me. So if you didn’t get a personal response from me, I’m sure I’ll have something to throw at you next time….

I’m glad a few people understood my post, typed out of anger, pain and a great deal of sadness. Not usually a good time to post, but it still conveyed my feelings. I think those who point out a man’s meaningless foibles during what was surely one of the most emotional times of his life has to be a sick, certainly unfeeling individual. Any one of you who had this experience can understand that and I would hope the rest could empathize. Obviously some cannot.

include me with the sick and unfeeling….thanks

622 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:23:36pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

It’s down to my shoulders now.

*Braids
*Viking helmet

/that is all

623 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:23:44pm

re: #620 wrenchwench

You are entitled to your emotional reaction to the setting, and your memories, and I think others are entitled to their emotional reactions to the speaker, and their fears and/or anger.

Hey, did that one other poster ever figure out I was talking about you on #17?

624 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:23:46pm

re: #606 Dianna

And you’re able to live?!

I have had a few Cappuccinos, does that count?

625 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:24:03pm

re: #543 Red Pencil

er, well, I was meaning whoever dumped that load of crap on you… And trying to supply a critical thinking tip to help you dodge the next one.


good job … thanks

626 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:24:34pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

It’s down to my shoulders now.

no shit?….you New Mexican?

627 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:24:40pm

re: #614 yochanan

Had some coffee in the UAE, couldn’t tell the difference between it and 10W-40 motor oil, except the oil may have tasted better!

628 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:25:06pm

re: #616 NelsFree

I like mine sweet and blonde!

Don’t drink the yellow coffee.

629 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:25:09pm

re: #592 albusteve

Yellow Tail Merlot with a dash of Dark Eye vodka…it’s a race to the finish

I’ll take taht as a recommendation. I’ve seen Yellow Tail but I am unfamiliar with it. Me try!

630 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:25:25pm

re: #626 albusteve

no shit?….you New Mexican?

No, old Mexican.

631 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:25:26pm

re: #623 haakondahl

Hey, did that one other poster ever figure out I was talking about you on #17?

I don’t really remember. I intended to explain the reference to comment #17, but I think I ran out of time.

632 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:25:39pm

re: #628 OldLineTexan

Don’t drink the yellow coffee.

Its made with yellow snow. ;)

633 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:25:40pm

re: #600 Dianna

:D Sorry. Can’t help myself.

634 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:26:01pm

re: #631 wrenchwench

I don’t really remember. I intended to explain the reference to comment #17, but I think I ran out of time.

And I ran out of the room, my work done.

635 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:26:18pm

re: #530 katemaclaren

I have mixed thoughts about the Germans at the time of this. My rage says how could they? They SMELLED it for God’s sake and there’s no mistaking the smell of flesh. But what I realized, by the time it was actually happening, it was too late to stop it. Nothing could be done once the Nazi machine was rolling and certainly not once these camps were going. If you said anything, you were imprisoned or killed.

The German people signed on to “white nationalism” or “German nationalism”. A strong Germany for the most part. Those of us on this board who oppose nationalism do so for what it ultimately creates.

Of course, many Germans did oppose Hitler, saved countless people and escaped miraculously with their lives, like Irena Sendler and many others.

636 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:26:22pm

re: #604 American Sabra

I don’t type terribly fast and when this board starts too move, I simply can’t keep up with all the comments, since the last 200 odd were directed at me. So if you didn’t get a personal response from me, I’m sure I’ll have something to throw at you next time….

I’m glad a few people understood my post, typed out of anger, pain and a great deal of sadness. Not usually a good time to post, but it still conveyed my feelings. I think those who point out a man’s meaningless foibles during what was surely one of the most emotional times of his life has to be a sick, certainly unfeeling individual. Any one of you who had this experience can understand that and I would hope the rest could empathize. Obviously some cannot.

Sometimes our emotions get the better of us, such is our nature. I can only speak for myself, but no problem; I think you heart is, and was in th right place.

Can you absolve me from being a sick fuck now? :)

637 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:26:30pm

re: #629 BatGuano

I’ll take taht as a recommendation. I’ve seen Yellow Tail but I am unfamiliar with it. Me try!

Yellow Tail is very good cheap wine imo….the wino snobs here will laugh me off the net tho…so to them I say…fuck you!

638 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:26:47pm

re: #629 BatGuano

I’ll take taht as a recommendation. I’ve seen Yellow Tail but I am unfamiliar with it. Me try!

Yellow tail is really a good wine..and a good value..

639 Dianna  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:26:51pm

re: #624 DEZes

I have had a few Cappuccinos, does that count?

It involves espresso, so I’ll accept it, provisionally.

Anyway, I’m out.

640 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:27:09pm

re: #600 Dianna

Oh, Cattt…

Excuse me while I hide under my desk. Even I thought of something wildly inappropriate there, and what the guys are going to type fills me with anticipatory squick.

Squick?
The following definition dates to December 2005 in the Harry Potter fandom:
squick - a “squick” or something that “squicks you” is something you just can’t stand to read without going “eww, gross!” There’s a thread in Scribbulus about another definition of “squick” involving skulls, but it’s too icky for this glossary
Word!
[Link: mildlydiverting.blogspot.com…]

641 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:27:26pm

re: #639 Dianna

It involves espresso, so I’ll accept it, provisionally.

Anyway, I’m out.

Bye.

642 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:27:34pm

re: #639 Dianna

It involves espresso, so I’ll accept it, provisionally.

Anyway, I’m out.

Have a wonderful weekend Diana…

643 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:27:44pm

so long folks …. meeting some folks for dinner … have a fucking great weekend!

644 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:27:47pm

re: #630 Walter L. Newton

No, old Mexican.

I’ve never seen so many long haired people….very typical down here…I cut mine once a year

645 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:28:21pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

It’s down to my shoulders now.

Almost cut my hair
It happened just the other day
It was getting kind of long
I could have said it was in my way

But I didn’t and I wonder why
I feel like letting my freak flag fly
And I feel like I owe it to someone

who’s it for Goldilocks?
?I’m lealouse………

646 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:28:22pm

re: #639 Dianna

It involves espresso, so I’ll accept it, provisionally.

Anyway, I’m out.

Be good!
E.T.

647 Tarkus289  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:28:31pm

I have not cut my hair since 1984.

648 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:29:02pm

At the thought of getting oneself filled with squick, I quickly averted my mind’s eye.

649 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:29:11pm

re: #643 _RememberTonyC

so long folks …. meeting some folks for dinner … have a fucking great weekend!

It was fucking nice visiting with you!

(I feel like I’m in an episode of the Sopranos)

650 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:29:41pm

re: #647 Tarkus289

I have not cut my hair since 1984.

Big Brother got your clippers?

651 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:29:49pm

re: #647 Tarkus289

I have not cut my hair since 1984.

Are you serious? Wow! You are a sick fuck!
//////

652 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:30:21pm

re: #647 Tarkus289

I have not cut my hair since 1984.

Gee - don’t you have split ends?

653 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:30:27pm

Now I really am going to bed. Good Night!

654 Tarkus289  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:30:30pm

My conditioner bill is higher than my food bill.

655 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:30:41pm

re: #635 American Sabra

It’s not entirely true that if you refused to take part in the genocide that you would be punished or imprisoned. There are many examples of soldiers and bureaucrats who did say no and requested not to take part. For the most part their requests were granted. Yes it took courage. Yes it took conviction. And unfortunately Yes he killing would still go on with other participants. But you were able to say NO.

656 Tarkus289  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:31:15pm

re: #652 Catttt

a few, sometimes I let someone trim it about 1/4 inch.

657 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:31:20pm

re: #636 MacDuff

But I’m still sticking by the Crazy Fuck. Sorry :)

658 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:31:29pm

re: #644 albusteve

I’ve never seen so many long haired people….very typical down here…I cut mine once a year

I agree. I know three guys with pony tails past their waists. My guy’s pony tail is only to the middle of his back, even though he hasn’t cut it since 1987 (hasn’t shaved since 1969.) Mine goes to my belt, but I’m not a guy, so that doesn’t count.

659 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:31:37pm

re: #649 MacDuff
Or on any navy ship after a couple of months at sea!

660 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:32:03pm

Obama : I will not forget

661 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:32:03pm

re: #657 American Sabra

But I’m still sticking by the Crazy Fuck.

That’s what my wife says, bless her heart.

662 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:32:03pm

You fuckers are going to be sorry when Charles gets home.

663 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:32:13pm

re: #637 albusteve

Yellow Tail is very good cheap wine imo….the wino snobs here will laugh me off the net tho…so to them I say…fuck you!

I also say, “fuck you”, to the wine snobs. I also fart inre: #617 Walter L. Newton

It’s down to my shoulders now.

their general direction.

664 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:32:23pm

re: #655 Nevergiveup

It’s not entirely true that if you refused to take part in the genocide that you would be punished or imprisoned. There are many examples of soldiers and bureaucrats who did say no and requested not to take part. For the most part their requests were granted. Yes it took courage. Yes it took conviction. And unfortunately Yes he killing would still go on with other participants. But you were able to say NO.

I definitely think that’s the first time I’ve heard that. Do you have examples?

665 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:32:35pm
666 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:32:59pm

re: #652 Catttt

Gee - don’t you have split ends?

really…I have to tend my thick silvery grey mane…many people say i look like an older Marilyn Monroe

667 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:33:16pm

re: #659 pingjockey

Or on any navy ship after a couple of months at sea!

Or months in port. You say ‘potato’, I say ‘Fucking potatoes again!?’

668 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:33:27pm

re: #657 American Sabra

Feeling a lil better now?

669 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:33:30pm

re: #647 Tarkus289

I have not cut my hair since 1984.

[Link: www.locksoflove.org…]

670 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:33:34pm

I had long hair, but it just wouldn’t grow beyond a certain length. I cut it in a modified shag to just below my shoulders. When people compliment my haircut, I don’t tell them I did it myself - it shocks them.

671 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:33:37pm

Germans are taken on a tour of Buchenwald:

672 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:34:08pm

Ok I have to go…. I’ll try to get back later. Don’t miss me too much.

673 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:34:20pm

re: #664 American Sabra

I definitely think that’s the first time I’ve heard that. Do you have examples?

Yes. I can’t sight you paragraph and verse at the moment. In the extensive reading I did a while back I cam across many. When I get home I will look up the books and references for you.

674 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:34:27pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I changed my avatar. What do you see?

Walter If that is you, then with a few differences, we were separated at birth.

675 Tarkus289  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:34:31pm

re: #669 NelsFree

If I ever did, that’s where it would go.

676 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:35:06pm

re: #663 BatGuano

their general direction.

Why do you want to fart in the general direction of my hair down to my shoulders? What?

677 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:35:35pm

re: #665 Killgore Trout

Whale Fossil Found in Kitchen Counter (Video)

/Fossil Uncovered (in) Counter: Kitchen ?

678 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:35:37pm

re: #603 doubter4444

Really?
I thought Shaskespere said it?
Or is it that old an acronym?
Did they even have acronyms back then?
What’s Victorian for “I LOLed”?

Acronyms are pretty much a 20th century invention.

679 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:36:05pm

re: #658 wrenchwench

I agree. I know three guys with pony tails past their waists. My guy’s pony tail is only to the middle of his back, even though he hasn’t cut it since 1987 (hasn’t shaved since 1969.) Mine goes to my belt, but I’m not a guy, so that doesn’t count.

very stylish…I’m good with that…I did not cut my hair for many years back in the day…12 yrs or nearly so…had it cut in Flagstaff around the mid 80s and sent my mom a 2ft braid…she still has it

680 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:36:26pm

re: #654 Tarkus289

My conditioner bill is higher than my food bill.

Adjust your thermostat! Wait, did you mean “air conditioner” or “hair conditioner”?

681 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:36:37pm

re: #667 haakondahl
Yeah. That is true too. That little word is used as a noun, adjective, adverb, all around tool to use in any sentence.

682 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:36:44pm

re: #670 Catttt

I had long hair, but it just wouldn’t grow beyond a certain length. I cut it in a modified shag to just below my shoulders. When people compliment my haircut, I don’t tell them I did it myself - it shocks them.

I’ve always wanted a full gypsy shag, you know, Bon Jovi style. Maybe soon, since my hair is now down to my shoulders again.

683 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:37:08pm

re: #663 BatGuano

loved it when 2 buck chuck won a wine tasting a total hoot

684 pingjockey  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:37:09pm

bbl

685 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:37:28pm

re: #663 BatGuano

their general direction.

we might get shut down for detention

686 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:38:29pm

re: #676 Walter L. Newton

Why do you want to fart in the general direction of my hair down to my shoulders? What?

Walter! I f’ed up a post! I had two things in my preview and didn’t notice. Sorry! I’m an idiot.

687 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:38:55pm

re: #657 American Sabra

But I’m still sticking by the Crazy Fuck. Sorry :)

Well…sometimes….”but I’m feeling much better now”. Shalom, Sabra.

688 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:39:01pm

re: #665 Killgore Trout

Whale Fossil Found in Kitchen Counter (Video)

SEE! There was a great flood! How could a whale get to an oasis 6000 years ago……uh…well…ok….but my kitchen flooded once.

689 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:39:02pm

re: #686 BatGuano

Walter! I f’ed up a post! I had two things in my preview and didn’t notice. Sorry! I’m an idiot.

Oh, I thought it was funny, just wondering.

690 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:39:15pm

re: #686 BatGuano

Walter! I f’ed up a post! I had two things in my preview and didn’t notice. Sorry! I’m an idiot.

idiots are fuckin stupid

691 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:39:35pm

re: #665 Killgore Trout

Whale Fossil Found in Kitchen Counter (Video)

I want that counter top, too damn cool.

692 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:39:46pm

re: #682 Walter L. Newton

I’ve always wanted a full gypsy shag, you know, Bon Jovi style. Maybe soon, since my hair is now down to my shoulders again.

Shit I just got my hair cut on the base. So it’s a wee short now.

693 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:40:06pm

re: #690 albusteve

idiots are fuckin stupid

BY definition.

694 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:40:27pm

re: #692 Nevergiveup

Shit I just got my hair cut on the base. So it’s a wee short now.

Are you at Dix? (or is that too personal a question?)

695 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:40:33pm

Hmmm, deletions are happening….

696 Tarkus289  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:41:15pm

The incredible shrinking thread.

697 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:41:18pm

re: #691 DEZes

Egyptian Whale counter tops are going to cost you.

698 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:41:39pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

Are you at Dix? (or is that too personal a question?)

A dix or a dick? Well neither at the moment. I am up at the Sub Base in Groton CT.

699 Eowyn2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:41:40pm

re: #658 wrenchwench

I agree. I know three guys with pony tails past their waists. My guy’s pony tail is only to the middle of his back, even though he hasn’t cut it since 1987 (hasn’t shaved since 1969.) Mine goes to my belt, but I’m not a guy, so that doesn’t count.

its time for you both to get a haircut. My hair was down past my waste a couple of years ago and was getting stuck in my belt (on my hips not waste) while in a braid. I lopped it up to just below the shoulder blades. Now I only need one bottle of hair dye instead of three.

700 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:42:22pm

re: #662 UFO TOFU

You fuckers are going to be sorry when Charles gets home.

He’s back. I’m getting outta here.

701 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:42:24pm

Another Fine Chinese Product found in Michigan.

702 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:42:31pm

re: #682 Walter L. Newton

I’ve always wanted a full gypsy shag, you know, Bon Jovi style. Maybe soon, since my hair is now down to my shoulders again.

braid it and forget it…imo

It warms my hear that there are a few long haired, take no shit types still out there…it really does…I will not submit

703 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:42:31pm

re: #659 pingjockey

Or on any navy ship after a couple of months at sea!

Yup. Been there, done that. USS Hassayampa, AO-145. Good times.

704 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:43:18pm

re: #695 wrenchwench

Hmmm, deletions are happening….

twas an F’ed up thread…

705 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:43:23pm

re: #698 Nevergiveup

A dix or a dick? Well neither at the moment. I am up at the Sub Base in Groton CT.

Just wondering, I thought I detected some knowledge of NJ in other comments of yours, and I know dentist+military so I thought = Fort Dix. No, you’re not a dick, well, I don’t know, maybe you are, dick, john peter, who knows?

706 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:43:28pm

re: #700 unrealizedviewpoint

Ruh-row!

707 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:43:50pm

re: #695 wrenchwench

Hmmm, deletions are happening….

I’m on the bubble…shit

708 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:43:58pm

samsgran1948, by deletion, lost his top spot in the bottom 10.

709 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:44:07pm

re: #689 Walter L. Newton

Oh, I thought it was funny, just wondering.

I have no idea how I screwed that up so bad but I will probably do it again. What I meant you was #674.

710 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:44:22pm

re: #1 turn

I hope he isn’t using a teleprompter …

it is a major speech…do you want him to embarrass the US by fumbling lines at Buchenwald?

711 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:44:34pm

re: #604 American Sabra

I don’t type terribly fast and when this board starts too move, I simply can’t keep up with all the comments, since the last 200 odd were directed at me. So if you didn’t get a personal response from me, I’m sure I’ll have something to throw at you next time….

I’m glad a few people understood my post, typed out of anger, pain and a great deal of sadness. Not usually a good time to post, but it still conveyed my feelings. I think those who point out a man’s meaningless foibles during what was surely one of the most emotional times of his life has to be a sick, certainly unfeeling individual. Any one of you who had this experience can understand that and I would hope the rest could empathize. Obviously some cannot.

Everyone posts something, sooner or later, that can be or is misinterpreted - it isn’t fun at all.

I’m sure you will have a similar degree of the patience and understanding you asked for here, for others who who find themselves in that position at some point in the future.

712 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:44:36pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

Just wondering, I thought I detected some knowledge of NJ in other comments of yours, and I know dentist+military so I thought = Fort Dix. No, you’re not a dick, well, I don’t know, maybe you are, dick, john peter, who knows?

Actually I live in NJ. I drove up here today. Yeah I’m from joesey and its’ freak en pouring and the Yankees are rained out.

713 jorline  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:44:38pm

Hey fuckers….what’s going on this afternoon?

714 Eowyn2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:44:58pm

re: #676 Walter L. Newton

If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were one of those long hairs that I dated back in the 70s:)

715 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:45:05pm

re: #701 SixDegrees

Another Fine Chinese Product found in Michigan.

Yeesh. I’m still baffled why people see China as an economic threat. Once the stop selling poisonous food and radioactive toy, then I’ll be worried.

716 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:45:08pm

re: #713 jorline

Hey fuckers….what’s going on this afternoon?

Good afternoon!
And please, just don’t start …

717 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:45:28pm

re: #697 Killgore Trout

Egyptian Whale counter tops are going to cost you.

I would expect that to be true. ;)

718 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:06pm

re: #699 Eowyn2

its time for you both to get a haircut. My hair was down past my waste a couple of years ago and was getting stuck in my belt (on my hips not waste) while in a braid. I lopped it up to just below the shoulder blades. Now I only need one bottle of hair dye instead of three.

No one gets near Mr. w with sharp implements. As for me, I’ve had it short 4 or 5 times. I still have the braids, too, which I hesitate to mention because I get hassled about depriving people who are fighting cancer (I’m collecting the set! They can have ‘em when I’m done!) And I don’t dye it. It’s interesting to compare the more-gray top to the less-gray ends.

719 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:08pm

re: #713 jorline

Hey fuckers….what’s going on this afternoon?

I think I just saw an ad for a pron site.

720 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:27pm

re: #714 Eowyn2

If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were one of those long hairs that I dated back in the 70s:)

After I stopped playing football i grew my hair long and my father ( Marines ) called me Mary-Jayne for 4 years.

721 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:35pm

re: #702 albusteve

braid it and forget it…imo

It warms my hear that there are a few long haired, take no shit types still out there…it really does…I will not submit

It’s an old habit, from the days when I was more active acting, instead of the technical side of theatre. Between roles, I would let the hair grow, since you could always cut it back, making it longer is harder. So, leaving it long enabled a director to be able to make decisions on how he/she wanted my hair.

I haven’t done a role in three years, busy in the day to day operations of the theatre, so it’s become really long.

Although, I may be playing the “stage manager” at Christmas in “A Radio Wonder Life” a recreation of the Wonder Life story done up like an old time radio show. So, I may have to cut it then.

722 doubter4444  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:41pm

re: #619 _RememberTonyC

Ha! I loved Tony C when I was a kid, all the way from the west coast.
I see the kids wearing batting helmets with an ear-guard and think of him still.

723 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:43pm

re: #671 Jimmah

Germans are taken on a tour of Buchenwald:


[Video]

Man oh man.
Here is an exerpt from an AP story - the “Payne” quoted is Charles T. Payne, President’ Obama’s great uncle.

When Payne’s unit arrived, the gates to the camp were open, the Nazis already gone.

“In the gate, in the very middle of the gate on the ground was a dead man whose head had been beaten in with a metal bar,” Payne recalled. The body was of a prisoner who had served as a guard under the Germans and been killed by other inmates that morning.

“A short distance inside the front gate was a place where almost a circle of people had been … killed and were lying on the ground, holding their tin cups, as if they had been expecting food and were instead killed,” he said. “You could see where the machine gun had been set up behind some bushes, but the Germans were all gone by that time.”

He said he only moved some 200-300 feet (60-100 meters) inside of the camp. But that was enough to capture images so horrible that Gen. George S. Patton Jr. ordered townspeople into Ohrdruf to see for themselves the crimes committed by their countrymen - an order that would repeated at Buchenwald, Dachau and other camps liberated by U.S. soldiers.

724 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:49pm

re: #712 Nevergiveup

Actually I live in NJ. I drove up here today. Yeah I’m from joesey and its’ freak en pouring and the Yankees are rained out.

WHAT EXIT!

725 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:51pm

Hello. Testing new avatar.

726 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:46:52pm

re: #713 jorline

Shhh, I think Dad’s home.

727 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:47:11pm

re: #719 unrealizedviewpoint

I think I just saw an ad for a pron site.

Its an ad for oil drilling….
///

728 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:47:26pm

re: #708 unrealizedviewpoint

samsgran1948, by deletion, lost his top spot in the bottom 10.

Charles brought the hammer hamster down on it!

729 jorline  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:47:36pm

re: #716 reine.de.tout

Good afternoon!
And please, just don’t start …

lol…good afternoon reine.

I was reading the comments up thread…didn’t know I was that far behind on the thread.

730 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #714 Eowyn2

If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were one of those long hairs that I dated back in the 70s:)

I was long haired from 1970-74, while I had my rock band. Moved to Texas, cut it, country and western, baby.

731 Eowyn2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:48:34pm

re: #701 SixDegrees

Another Fine Chinese Product found in Michigan.

Somebody nuked the cheese grater instead of the cheese?

732 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:48:36pm

re: #725 doppelganglander

Hello. Testing new avatar.

It’s great!
I will be visiting the site you put up on your FB page.

733 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:48:46pm

re: #712 Nevergiveup

Actually I live in NJ. I drove up here today. Yeah I’m from joesey and its’ freak en pouring and the Yankees are rained out.

Ok, I got that now. I live at Lake Hopatcong from 1964-1974.

734 jorline  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:48:52pm

re: #726 UFO TOFU

Shhh, I think Dad’s home.

Crap…busted!

735 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:49:08pm

re: #724 unrealizedviewpoint

WHAT EXIT!

The one that says ” No Liberals Allowed”

736 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:49:15pm

re: #724 unrealizedviewpoint

WHAT EXIT!

LOL

737 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:49:15pm

re: #721 Walter L. Newton

It’s an old habit, from the days when I was more active acting, instead of the technical side of theatre. Between roles, I would let the hair grow, since you could always cut it back, making it longer is harder. So, leaving it long enabled a director to be able to make decisions on how he/she wanted my hair.

I haven’t done a role in three years, busy in the day to day operations of the theatre, so it’s become really long.

Although, I may be playing the “stage manager” at Christmas in “A Radio Wonder Life” a recreation of the Wonder Life story done up like an old time radio show. So, I may have to cut it then.

if I ever recover from the financial hammering, I’ll have to get up there and snoop around a bit with you…sounds like fun

738 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:49:17pm

re: #732 reine.de.tout

It’s great!
I will be visiting the site you put up on your FB page.

Outstanding! Thank you so much!

739 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:49:28pm

re: #729 jorline

lol…good afternoon reine.

I was reading the comments up thread…didn’t know I was that far behind on the thread.

That happens to me too, I think sometimes I’m in the middle of a thread, I post something absolutely brilliant, and I find I am at the very bottom of a very dead thread LOL.

740 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:49:39pm

re: #727 DEZes

Its an ad for massage oil drilling….
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//
/

741 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:49:43pm

re: #697 Killgore Trout

Egyptian Whale counter tops are going to cost you.

You can get fossil countertops lots of places.

[Link: www.greenriverstone.com…]
[Link: www.mammothfossilcompany.com…]

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend them. Limestone, sandstone, shale and other rocks that fossils are typically found in are mostly soft and porous. Not the greatest countertop material, at least not in areas that get a lot of cooking action.

Backsplashes might be a better choice.

742 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:50:24pm

re: #737 albusteve

if I ever recover from the financial hammering, I’ll have to get up there and snoop around a bit with you…sounds like fun

I meant “Wonderful Life,” typing getting really sloppy.

743 Racer X  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:51:04pm

Who are you sick *&^%s *&^%ing with today?

744 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:51:29pm

re: #739 reine.de.tout

That happens to me too, I think sometimes I’m in the middle of a thread, I post something absolutely brilliant, and I find I am at the very bottom of a very dead thread LOL.

I’ve posted on a dead thread many times….hahaha…did just a couple of days ago…oh well….the mind goes first

745 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:51:40pm

re: #741 SixDegrees

Those are cool.

746 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:52:24pm

re: #731 Eowyn2

Somebody nuked the cheese grater instead of the cheese?

I guess the Chinese factory where they stamp out cheese graters must be next door to something more interesting.

747 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:53:11pm

re: #741 SixDegrees

You can get fossil countertops lots of places.

[Link: www.greenriverstone.com…]
[Link: www.mammothfossilcompany.com…]

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend them. Limestone, sandstone, shale and other rocks that fossils are typically found in are mostly soft and porous. Not the greatest countertop material, at least not in areas that get a lot of cooking action.

Backsplashes might be a better choice.

Black Onaping Suevite (impact material from a meteorite hit) from Onaping Falls, Ontario Canada makes great countertop material.

748 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:53:27pm

re: #746 SixDegrees

I guess the Chinese factory where they stamp out cheese graters must be next door to something more interesting.

OMG that’s horrible. May be right.

749 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:53:37pm

re: #745 Killgore Trout

Those are cool.

They’re gorgeous. Like I said, though, they’re not really suitable in all locations. Great accent pieces, though.

750 garden18  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:53:57pm

President Nixon never visited a concentration camp. He often made anit-Semitic remarks. But when the chips were down after Israel suffered a surprise attack from Egypt and Syria in 1973, Nixon re-supplied Israel with desperately needed weapons (over the objections of Henry Kissinger). I wonder what would happen if Israel were under attack on several fronts and needed emergency assistance, what the advice of his anti-Israel aides (Emanuel and Axelrod) would be, and what stance Obama, who visited Buchenwald, would be. Speaking of which, if Obama is so appalled by the evil Hitler perpetrated, why didn’t Obama mention Iran and its Hitlerian leader during his Cairo speech?

751 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:54:16pm

re: #749 SixDegrees

They’re gorgeous. Like I said, though, they’re not really suitable in all locations. Great accent pieces, though.

Like a computer desk. ;)

752 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:54:40pm

re: #747 Walter L. Newton

Black Onaping Suevite (impact material from a meteorite hit) from Onaping Falls, Ontario Canada makes great countertop material.

Good to know. We’ll be in the market for new countertops in a couple of years, if there’s anything left of the economy by then. I’ll have a look at it.

753 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:54:40pm

Michelle Malkin as the right wing conspiracy theory of the day…..

The U.S. Department of Injustice

…..members of Congress need to continue connecting the dots to ACORN and the larger plan to wield power to preserve and protect a permanent Democratic majority.

Predictable idiots in the comments…..

Between the racial tensions, the state vs federal control, coming hyper inflation, the coming muslims vs Jews and Christians middle east wars etc. etc., I think we’ll be in a major economic and social meltdown by then. And OB will have a reason to declare marshal law and suspend the elections.

This is no different than stuff posted on Dkos last year.

754 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:54:48pm

re: #744 albusteve

I’ve posted on a dead thread many times….hahaha…did just a couple of days ago…oh well….the mind goes first

My experience is that the feet go first. I find Foot Petals helps. :D

I don’t think there are any Mind Petals. That would make a lot of money, though.

755 Eowyn2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:55:06pm

re: #333 lostlakehiker

The lesson is grim and stark. Books such as Mein Kampf are not just a way of letting off steam. They’re templates for action.

The clouds gather again. The Sayings of Chairman Ahmadinejad are thinly veiled second editions of Mein Kampf.

Can we say that Iran just wouldn’t do anything of the sort; they’re a civilized society with all sorts of culture? Maybe so. Maybe Iran has sense enough not to hitch its star to the meteoric mayor of Tehran. Meteors, after all, go down in flames.

The dinnerjacket’s cohorts are more than willing to die in the battle they start. There is no logic which can be used to keep them from using a nuke.

756 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:55:17pm

#242 Hawaii69

He made a valid, and important, point about the nature of otherwise “normal” people being pulled into the momentum of institutonalized evil.

It still happens today, on a regular basis. We’re just
lucky enough to live in a relatively stable society.

I disagree. In every country where there has been institutionalized evil there is and always has been a remnant of good people who not only form underground opposition, but who also risk their lives in trying to protect those who are being persecuted (in Nazi Germany the Jews called them righteous Gentiles). Are those people somehow immune to being pulled into the momentum of institutionalized evil? If they are immune, then what is it that distinguishes them from those who made the choice to follow evil?

757 jorline  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:55:26pm

re: #739 reine.de.tout

That happens to me too, I think sometimes I’m in the middle of a thread, I post something absolutely brilliant, and I find I am at the very bottom of a very dead thread LOL.

I’ll find myself two threads behind…then I start arguing with myself.
All hell breaks lose when I can’t down ding my comments.
*internal struggles*

758 Eowyn2  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:55:50pm

re: #746 SixDegrees

I guess the Chinese factory where they stamp out cheese graters must be next door to something more interesting.


possibly

759 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:56:34pm

re: #752 SixDegrees

Good to know. We’ll be in the market for new countertops in a couple of years, if there’s anything left of the economy by then. I’ll have a look at it.

Know this, very expensive, of course. I’m trying to find a link for any company that offers the stuff. I know it is used for countertops, but so far I haven’t come up with a source. I have a slice in my meteorite collection, but I got that from a university.

760 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:56:46pm
761 brookly red  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #753 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin as the right wing conspiracy theory of the day…..

The U.S. Department of Injustice

This is no different than stuff posted on Dkos last year.

with all due respect ACORN needs looking into.

762 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:57:00pm

re: #754 Catttt

My experience is that the feet go first. I find Foot Petals helps. :D

I don’t think there are any Mind Petals. That would make a lot of money, though.

I wear my navy Petals most often…black is so New York

763 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:57:45pm
764 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:57:56pm

re: #747 Walter L. Newton

Black Onaping Suevite (impact material from a meteorite hit) from Onaping Falls, Ontario Canada makes great countertop material.

You are quite the eclectic fellow, Walter. It’s always a pleasure to read your posts.

765 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:58:03pm

The tread seems pretty slow, I think we all need a tonic made with this.

766 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:58:13pm

re: #758 Eowyn2

possibly

Yellow cheese or yellow cake, whats the dif….

*Thud*

767 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:58:31pm

re: #701 SixDegrees

Another Fine Chinese Product found in Michigan.

There was also a time when you had to get your wedding rings checked.

[Link: www.independent.co.uk…]

Quote from this article: [Link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov…]
A superficial squamous cell carcinoma developed in a woman who wore a radioactive gold ring for more than 30 years.

768 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:58:33pm

re: #763 formercorpsman

Sorry. It seems like everything is disabled nowadays.

769 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:58:52pm

re: #757 jorline

I’ll find myself two threads behind…then I start arguing with myself.
All hell breaks lose when I can’t down ding my comments.
*internal struggles*

Ah, the Killgore Syndrome (experienced when you find yourself talking to yourself on a thread).

JUST KIDDING, KILLGORE :-)

770 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:58:53pm

re: #753 Killgore Trout

That ‘New World Order is coming for all of us’ meme sure likes frustrated nutcases.

771 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:59:37pm

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

I’m trying to find a link for any company that offers the stuff.

You could try China, but it might be radioactive………..glow in the dark back-splash.

772 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #762 albusteve

I wear my navy Petals most often…black is so New York

I’m over my black phase - into pastels and white now. The good thing about black is the coffee you spilled doesn’t show much. The bad thing about black is cat hair. I hate having to roll sticky tape all over myself all the time.

773 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:00:15pm

All that cursing and still Ayers photo remains in the sidebar.
*sigh*

774 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:00:19pm

Get your geiger counters - new thread! :D

775 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:00:48pm

re: #741 SixDegrees

I must admit, if I had a fossil I’d want to display it on the wall or something, not make sandwiches on it.

776 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:00:55pm

Need some help …
When I buy bananas (or other fruit), and bring it home, I end up with a kitchen full of gnats or fruit flies or something.

If I put the stuff in the fridge, I end up with a fridge full of fruit flies (they apparently tolerate the temps just fine).

HOW can I keep fruit in the house and NOT have gnats/fruit flies?

Anybody know?

777 DEZes  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:01:28pm

re: #774 Catttt

Get your geiger counters - new thread! :D

I am so there.

778 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:02:13pm

Ooooooooh! New thread!

779 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:02:14pm

re: #772 Catttt

I’m over my black phase - into pastels and white now. The good thing about black is the coffee you spilled doesn’t show much. The bad thing about black is cat hair. I hate having to roll sticky tape all over myself all the time.

especially at the theater…ouch

780 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:02:30pm

re: #776 reine.de.tout

Need some help …
When I buy bananas (or other fruit), and bring it home, I end up with a kitchen full of gnats or fruit flies or something.

If I put the stuff in the fridge, I end up with a fridge full of fruit flies (they apparently tolerate the temps just fine).

HOW can I keep fruit in the house and NOT have gnats/fruit flies?

Anybody know?

Move to Alaska.

781 albusteve  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:03:02pm

re: #776 reine.de.tout

Need some help …
When I buy bananas (or other fruit), and bring it home, I end up with a kitchen full of gnats or fruit flies or something.

If I put the stuff in the fridge, I end up with a fridge full of fruit flies (they apparently tolerate the temps just fine).

HOW can I keep fruit in the house and NOT have gnats/fruit flies?

Anybody know?

move to the Sahara

782 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:03:24pm

re: #776 reine.de.tout

Need some help …
When I buy bananas (or other fruit), and bring it home, I end up with a kitchen full of gnats or fruit flies or something.

If I put the stuff in the fridge, I end up with a fridge full of fruit flies (they apparently tolerate the temps just fine).

HOW can I keep fruit in the house and NOT have gnats/fruit flies?

Anybody know?

Sounds like you’re not eating this fruit quickly enough.

783 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:03:24pm

re: #765 UFO TOFU

The tread seems pretty slow, I think we all need a tonic made with this.

I like how it follows the bit about it being 82.6 % proof with a discussion of the subtle nuances of coriander and juniper.

784 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:03:30pm

re: #781 albusteve

move to the Sahara

GMT almost A

785 Mr Spiffy  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:04:43pm

I jumped so I don’t know any of what was said above

0bama goes Lincoln, spreads the hate around, repeats (with more historical) accuracy a campaign story and thanks the Chancellor and the German people for maintaining this institution and making this sound -bite possible.
Did I miss anything?

(What no offer to take over Volkswagen?)
/

786 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:04:56pm

re: #761 brookly red

Probably but they’re not going to be used to steal elections. This is Mikey Moore stuff, no better.

787 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:05:16pm

re: #780 Walter L. Newton

re: #781 albusteve

Oh, har-de-har-har.

788 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:05:57pm

re: #782 unrealizedviewpoint

Sounds like you’re not eating this fruit quickly enough.

They appear within a day.
So, when I buy fruit I should only buy enough for that day?

789 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:06:16pm

re: #776 reine.de.tout

Need some help …
When I buy bananas (or other fruit), and bring it home, I end up with a kitchen full of gnats or fruit flies or something.

If I put the stuff in the fridge, I end up with a fridge full of fruit flies (they apparently tolerate the temps just fine).

HOW can I keep fruit in the house and NOT have gnats/fruit flies?

Anybody know?

Here’s something interesting!

It’s for keeping your banana from squishing in the lunch bag.

We used to have a ripener thing that you put the fruit in - it was clear plastic.

790 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:06:48pm

re: #788 reine.de.tout

They appear within a day.
So, when I buy fruit I should only buy enough for that day?

reine … they love to live in garbage disposals … run it often and use bleach …

791 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:07:11pm

re: #776 reine.de.tout

You can buy those sticky traps but I hate those things and the don’t work very well? Do you have a lot of houseplants? (yes, I know that’s an odd question). Are they actual fruit flies or are they gnat type things?

792 jcm  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:07:58pm

re: #701 SixDegrees

Another Fine Chinese Product found in Michigan.

I had to grate my yellow cake before processing.

793 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:08:10pm

re: #789 Catttt

re: #789 Catttt

Here’s something interesting!

It’s for keeping your banana from squishing in the lunch bag.

We used to have a ripener thing that you put the fruit in - it was clear plastic.

Wow. Interesting indeed- I thank you, but - LOL - I think I will NOT have the banana guard out on my kitchen counter.

Prolly one of those plastic fruit-keepers is what I need.

794 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:08:33pm
795 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:08:47pm

re: #786 Killgore Trout

Probably but they’re not going to be used to steal elections. This is Mikey Moore stuff, no better.

100’s of thousands of bad voter registrations could be a major problem.

796 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:09:28pm

re: #791 Killgore Trout

You can buy those sticky traps but I hate those things and the don’t work very well? Do you have a lot of houseplants? (yes, I know that’s an odd question). Are they actual fruit flies or are they gnat type things?

I’ve had both fruit flies and gnats.
Right now it appears to be mostly gnats, and no house plants for just that reason - they love the house plants.

797 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:11:28pm

re: #789 Catttt

Here’s something interesting!

It’s for keeping your banana from squishing in the lunch bag.

Are you sure that’s a banana protector?
/

798 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:12:41pm

Aisle 794 please!

799 HOGZnCHIX  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:13:06pm

Dirka Dirka!

800 justdanny  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:13:43pm

re: #798 unrealizedviewpoint OMG, seriously.

801 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:13:49pm

re: #788 reine.de.tout

They appear within a day.
So, when I buy fruit I should only buy enough for that day?

It would seem the fruit has the fly larva on the skin when you buy it…….try washing it, but dry thoroughly, and put in ‘fridge….cept the bananas.

802 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:14:37pm

re: #801 IslandLibertarian

It would seem the fruit has the fly larva on the skin when you buy it…….try washing it, but dry thoroughly, and put in ‘fridge….cept the bananas.

will try that. thanks

803 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:14:54pm

re: #796 reine.de.tout

Those gnats can be controlled by adding nematodes to the soil in your houseplants. But If you don’t have houseplants they’re coming from somewhere else.

804 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:16:05pm

re: #803 Killgore Trout

Those gnats can be controlled by adding nematodes to the soil in your houseplants. But If you don’t have houseplants they’re coming from somewhere else.

I have plants just outside the front door. A beautiful, full, lush ivy of some sort; I bet they’re coming in when I open the door.


will try the nematodes for the gnats, thanks Killgore!

805 Mr Spiffy  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:16:13pm

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE USE SO MANY DISHES?

Done now.

You no longer fill the dishwasher after every meal;
for efficiency’s sake you rinse and put them in the dishwasher until you have a full load.

“Empty Nest 2.0”

806 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:17:24pm

Damn, Charles is quick!

807 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:18:23pm

re: #804 reine.de.tout

You can buy them, they’re cheap (20-30 bucks per packet). You can also get a little water from a natural source like a river, pond or stream. add water to the planters and the natural nematodes will do their thing. It works for houseplants too.

808 yochanan  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:20:18pm

re: #773 unrealizedviewpoint

well ayers did fuck amerikkka

809 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:25:09pm

re: #770 Jimmah

That ‘New World Order is coming for all of us’ meme sure likes frustrated nutcases.

Jimmah…hate to tell you but other whack-jobs already have a lock-on da New World Odor.

Even some of our allies like da Odor.

810 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:25:51pm
Think of it: do you really think that rabid Anti-Abortion leaders would stop with Abortion being outlawed?
Or would fundamentalists push for more and more “correct” positions: Religion in schools, Christianity as the national religion, Creationism, Women in traditional roles and so on.
Now think what it takes for that mindset.
It only takes an authoritarian psychopath, one you agree with, and some power, and people fall into line.
People will do as they are told, want to get along, left alone.
Someone quoted Mao the other day: Kill one to scare a thousand.

Obama was talking about the “banality of evil”, and how in a given circumstance, even decent people can do unthinkable things.
That’s kind of an important thing to say and it recognizes our weakness as humans to be able to compartmentalize evil, and that we need to be aware of that weakness and meet it in the light as the only way to beat it.

I think you’re way over stepping it. If everyone here believes that our biggest threat to national security, our freedoms, and our educational system are the creationists, the anti-abortionists, and the Christians, then I’m on the wrong blog. How is that any different than a poster saying islam is going to overthrow our government; that Obama is a closet muslim, and his aim is to impose sharia on the U.S., and women will have to wear burkas. It’s hysterical and paranoid.

It would have been different had Obama quoted the famous, “Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.” That’s a given. But to warn each of us of the cruelty within our own hearts as somehow being equivalent to sadistic Nazi horrors, well, that was just over-the-top for me. Even reminding us they were “human” was also offensive. And coming to any other conclusion (i.e. the Zimbardo experiment) is mere conjecture.

811 Mr Spiffy  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:33:43pm

re: #192 Occasional Reader

tapocketa pocketa pocketa

/extra credit for identifying the reference… no googling

The Secret Life of Walter Mitty
James Thurber

812 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:51:49pm

wrenchwench,

Why did you ding me down? So it’s ok for posters here to make fantastic claims and assertions about Christianity, anti-abortionists, creationists, etc., but if I disagree I’m dinged down?

Wow.

813 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 4:59:16pm

re: #810 ladycatnip

Why did you ding me down?

1) You made me use ctrl F to find who you were replying to.

2) I agree with doubter4444.

3) Doubter4444 did not say “everyone here believes that our biggest threat to national security, our freedoms, ” etc.

4) Your statement, “Even reminding us they were “human” was also offensive.” deserves a ding on its own.

5) It was a lot quicker than composing this post. I apologize for taking the lazy way.

814 Catttt  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:00:36pm

re: #797 unrealizedviewpoint

Are you sure that’s a banana protector?
/

Codpiece thread! /

815 American Sabra  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:01:32pm

re: #711 reine.de.tout

Everyone posts something, sooner or later, that can be or is misinterpreted - it isn’t fun at all.

I’m sure you will have a similar degree of the patience and understanding you asked for here, for others who who find themselves in that position at some point in the future.

Well I guess like everyone else, sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t. I’ve said a number of things at LGF that have been factually incorrect and have been quite embarrased over it. But I guess if you’re going to post on a public blog, you have to be willing to be wrong sometimes.

I don’t often get this angry. I’m used to hearing a lot of Obama hatred here. Some of which I agree with and some I don’t. But to my heart, I feel the criticism of him on this post was completely unwarranted and childish.

Few people said anything actually about his speech, except someone who said he talks about the shoah too much. (I mean, what else was he supposed to say at Buchenwald?) and someone who said he mentioned the settlements which he didn’t. They were criticizing his stance, his eye contact, his tone of voice and that was all quite insane.

What also irked me was the parallel, the hypocracy between “Bush Derangement Syndrome” from the Left and the vileness towards Obama from the Right, so much so they have to criticize his look, his voice, etc. For some, he can do nothing good. So if those folks want to be honest with themselves, maybe, just maybe they can understand why some people thought Bush could do nothing good either.

Well probably more of an answer than what you were counting on, but hey, I gave a lot of people a chance to improve their karma, so that was something.

816 Nick Ferguson  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:02:05pm
817 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #815 American Sabra

Well, I do not like Obama, I will say that right up front.

But in his speeches he always manages to sound at least fairly eloquent (and often he sounds just great), and he has done some things that I’ve been glad to see (these related to the safety and security of the US).

818 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:08:22pm

#813

We are at polar ends of this discussion, but to ding someone down for a difference of opinion, is well, a little too group-think for my taste.

You’re more than welcome to agree with doubter444; not deserving of a down-ding.

As to #3, the scenario doubter444 used certainly was applicable to national security, freedoms etc. Nothing nuanced here:

Think of it: do you really think that rabid Anti-Abortion leaders would stop with Abortion being outlawed?
Or would fundamentalists push for more and more “correct” positions: Religion in schools, Christianity as the national religion, Creationism, Women in traditional roles and so on.
Now think what it takes for that mindset.
It only takes an authoritarian psychopath, one you agree with, and some power, and people fall into line.
People will do as they are told, want to get along, left alone.
Someone quoted Mao the other day: Kill one to scare a thousand.

In my opinion, to call the Nazi torturers “human” is wrong. They had no conscience about the atrocities they did. They exterminated over 6 million Jews, not counting the homosexuals, the mentally challenged, etc.

I visited Dachau back in the 1970’s and it was horrific. The large wall pics of the prisoners is still with me.

819 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:13:34pm

re: #818 ladycatnip

In my opinion, to call the Nazi torturers “human” is wrong.

“No True Scotsman” to the max.

to ding someone down for a difference of opinion, is well, a little too group-think for my taste.

I’m the only one who dinged you down. How is that “groupthink?”

820 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:16:59pm

re: #815 American Sabra

Well I guess like everyone else, sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t. I’ve said a number of things at LGF that have been factually incorrect and have been quite embarrased over it. But I guess if you’re going to post on a public blog, you have to be willing to be wrong sometimes.

I don’t often get this angry. I’m used to hearing a lot of Obama hatred here. Some of which I agree with and some I don’t. But to my heart, I feel the criticism of him on this post was completely unwarranted and childish.

Few people said anything actually about his speech, except someone who said he talks about the shoah too much. (I mean, what else was he supposed to say at Buchenwald?) and someone who said he mentioned the settlements which he didn’t. They were criticizing his stance, his eye contact, his tone of voice and that was all quite insane.

What also irked me was the parallel, the hypocracy between “Bush Derangement Syndrome” from the Left and the vileness towards Obama from the Right, so much so they have to criticize his look, his voice, etc. For some, he can do nothing good. So if those folks want to be honest with themselves, maybe, just maybe they can understand why some people thought Bush could do nothing good either.

Well probably more of an answer than what you were counting on, but hey, I gave a lot of people a chance to improve their karma, so that was something.

Honesty..Humbleness..
You are ok AS…I understand what you are saying..
you are good people

821 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:17:56pm

Maybe I should be more clear - down-dings usually (I didn’t say always) occur when a poster says something contrary to what everyone else is saying.

And of course, when speaking of humanizing the Nazi’s, that’s called hyperbole and it fits perfectly in this case.

822 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:20:04pm

re: #815 American Sabra

You reminded me of Ploome. However most of the posters here are willing to cut you some slack.

Pres Obama is still being felt out as to what type of leader he is. We can see polarized discussions at every event he attends.

I think the proper Republican stance is to support Pres Obama but clarify the areas of opposition. It is interesting that he would go from Cairo to Buchenwald as POTUS and make the people following him at Cairo look at him at Buchenwald. People interested in him more than superficially will follow his path here.

823 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:24:34pm

re: #812 ladycatnip

wrenchwench,

Why did you ding me down? So it’s ok for posters here to make fantastic claims and assertions about Christianity, anti-abortionists, creationists, etc., but if I disagree I’m dinged down?

Wow.

downdings.

1. They don’t like you.
2. They disagree with you.
3. They are downding stalkers

It’s a system to each his own. I try and start each post afresh and ding up things that make me laugh. I’ll downding someone generally who is obsfucating. I have to downding the “fuck” threads that occur in working hours. NSFW. Actually maybe that could be a future feature. Put a little icon on any thread that has the word “fuck” in it. Then I’ll know better at work.

824 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:24:54pm

re: #621 albusteve

include me with the sick and unfeeling….thanks

Now there’s a shock.

825 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:25:37pm

re: #824 Cato the Elder

Now there’s a shock.

Cato … tell me a joke … no latin …

826 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:27:17pm

re: #825 JacksonTn

Cato … tell me a joke … no latin …

Here’s the joke: All this time I thought he was really just thick and unyielding.

827 doubter4444  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:33:33pm

Sorry, I was busy getting spanked on another thread.
Ladycatnip, my point was that “decent” people get put into situations that are untenable. And that everyone has the potential to be cruel. Nothing profound there. You pointed out the the “torturers ” were not human. No to be pedantic but they were. Actually human, people that went home at the end of the day and kissed their kids goodnight and said prayers.
You may not like that, but it’s true.
My point about the radical religionists is that in our midst, you can see the mind set that causes otherwise normal people to do horrendous acts of violence and cruelty. I extrapolated it to say “what if” they won the culture wars, and started to implement an adgenda, and that with power and enough of a push terrible things could happen right here too.
I don’t think they are a national security threat.
I simply say that it’s easiest to see the mentality that gets one from point A (condoning killing abortion doctors, or reporting Jews) to point B, which is acceptance to the situation at hand and trying to adapt to it (Fascist Germany, or a Fundamental state) with these guys.
Pick your own bugaboos, I don’t care, but be honest with yourself to admit that the power to self preservation is a societal one that few have the power or courage to resist.
To be reminded of that should not disgust you.
If it does, then perhaps you should think hard about the side you’d come down on, because morally speaking, understanding ones weakness is the only way of gaining strength.

828 SteveRogers  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:36:28pm

Ladycatnip-

Well said. Obama can speak for himself, but it’s insulting and denigrating to essentially say that everyone can become like the Nazi’s were. IMO the Nazi’s, particularly the Nazi’s who murdered Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and so may others, with the intent to exterminate them were not anything close to human. I believe the same thing about terrorists, serial killers, and anyone who murders innocent children, women and men for some twisted, nefarious purpose. They are evil monsters, not humans.

829 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:36:41pm

re: #819 wrenchwench

I’m the only one who dinged you down. How is that “groupthink?”

Not anymore. I downdinged her for complaining about downdinging.

830 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:38:49pm

re: #828 SteveRogers

You I downdinged for plain ignorance.

831 right_on_target  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:44:58pm

re: #678 SixDegrees

Acronyms are pretty much a 20th century invention.

Except the Romans used them extensively . Many of their buildings and monuments were inscribed with abbreviations or acronyms.

832 SteveRogers  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:46:52pm

re: #830 Cato the Elder

Speak for yourself.

833 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 5:52:15pm

re: #832 SteveRogers

Speak for yourself.

I did.

834 SteveRogers  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:00:57pm

re: #833 Cato the Elder

Without any elaboration too. If you want to point out where you think I’m ignorant then do so. I’m wiulling to debate. But to simply say I am ignorant shows you are unwilling or unable to defend your accusation.

835 hazzyday  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:12:33pm

re: #828 SteveRogers

The milgram experiments

The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects’ [participants’] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects’ [participants’] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

836 doubter4444  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:17:02pm

re: #828 SteveRogers

Ladycatnip-

Well said. Obama can speak for himself, but it’s insulting and denigrating to essentially say that everyone can become like the Nazi’s were. IMO the Nazi’s, particularly the Nazi’s who murdered Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and so may others, with the intent to exterminate them were not anything close to human. I believe the same thing about terrorists, serial killers, and anyone who murders innocent children, women and men for some twisted, nefarious purpose. They are evil monsters, not humans.

Well doesn’t that make life easy for you.
However, and I’m not calling you names, so make of what you will, but that exact sentiment you expressed above is what allows people to slip into evilness.
To dehumanize people is the first step in persecuting them.
I know in the case of Child rapists it’s hard, but that is the effort necessary to keep one soul.
It’s really easy to hate, it’s really hard to understand.
It’s even harder for a hater to see that others who don’t share his conviction are not the enemy, and that the act of understanding DOES NOT connote acceptance.
I can despise an evil man, and personally do harm to anyone who would hurt my family, or country, but I will not pretend they are not human.

837 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:28:14pm

re: #834 SteveRogers

You have an demonstrably false standard for what it takes to be called human. Which is in itself a characteristic of Nazi thinking.

Look in the mirror.

838 SteveRogers  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 6:56:49pm

re: #836 doubter4444

Well, I respect your honest view, and thanks for the courteous response, but I don’t believe it makes me evil to point out evil, nor to hate it. I’m agnostic, but I do believe some humans can become through their own choice monsters, or malignant narcissists if you like (sometimes made easier, depending on culture, how they’re raised, education, and a number of factors, but regardless, even under the worst of conditions, there are examples of folks who refuse to go as far as the Nazi SS, or serial killers, etc.). When people do choose to blindly follow authority bent on evil they lose their humanity, IMO.

In countries like ours, where we are born with liberty, paid for by the blood of many heroes, it’s much more unlikely that people would lose their humanity. And by human, or humanity I mean human beings who realize that we can choose to do good, for ourselves, families, country, and world. And that individual liberty is the most important thing we have. The results of collective thinking (communism, socialism, fascism, etc.) leads to disaster, as history clearly shows.

That’s not to say we shouldn’t make sacrifices for our families, friends and fellow human beings, but not under the banner of ant-like collectivism, but rather individual liberty. The philosphy our Founding Fathers brought to our country, and sacrificed blood and treasure for, is realized by more than a few people. BTW, this is just an example, I’m sure many of our allies aren’t prone to groupthink as well.

IRT, the Milgram experiments, the results would be quite different if members of our military or folks who realize what “we hold these truth’s to be self evident” mean were the participants.
Sadly, many of our colleges are more places of indoctrination into leftist type groupthink rather than places that teach students how to think for themselves (excluding possibly the hard sciences, math, and engineering majors, to name a few).

I’m not saying I’m perfect, or haven’t done things I regret, but I, like many millions of folks would never come anywhere close to being like the Nazi’s or Communists were. Even with the exceptional charisma Obama possesses, he still didn’t win by a landslide, and many voters who cast their vote for him are beginning to have regrets.

So no, I think their are a lot of people who will never fall for the groupthink mindset of fascists. If Obama had made that distinction, then I would’ve agreed with him on that point.

839 SteveRogers  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:00:21pm

re: #837 Cato the Elder

Talk about an ignorant statement. Yeah, okay, in your view I’m “evil” for not blindly following a groupthink mindset like the Nazi’s did, and for cherishing individual liberty, and somehow that makes me like them. Your logic is impeccable, Cato.

840 wee fury  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:43:00pm

President Obama gave a good speech.

841 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:49:32pm

re: #577 haakondahl

I like my coffee like I like my women:

steaming in silence at the breakfast table.

Isn’t anybody going to say “ground up and in the freezer”?

842 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 7:55:56pm

I found a computer with a sound card.

I listened to Obama’s speech.

It was a good speech. Working on the fly without the teleprompter made him sound to me like he might have actually thought about what he was saying.

843 mcaplan6102  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 8:20:28pm

It was a fine speech. Very touching and he certainly was eloquent. Amazing that so many people here can mock him when our last president could barely put together a full sentence. He has the potential to go down as one of our best presidents ever

844 Syrah  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:04:07pm

re: #843 mcaplan6102

It was a fine speech. Very touching and he certainly was eloquent. Amazing that so many people here can mock him when our last president could barely put together a full sentence. He has the potential to go down as one of our best presidents ever

A fine speech does not a great president make, nor does an inarticulate delivery make for a bad President.

Obama gives fine speech. This one speech was good because it was based less on the fantasy world of the unconstrained than most of his speeches.

George Bush will not be remembered as the greatest President of this country. Far from it. His handling of the Frank and Dodd Debt Disaster was abysmal. Where history will be good to him is that he was the right man to have in the White House for 9/11. Gore would have been a disaster on that front. (Not to mention that Gore would have handled the Frank and Dodd Debt Disaster no better and most likely much worse than Bush did.)

Obama may yet surprise us and turn out to be made of the stuff of heroes, but I don’t see anything in him yet but the stuff of idyllic rainbow farting unicorn dreams and Saul Alinsky(esque) academic fantasies.

845 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:05:58pm

re: #843 mcaplan6102

It was a fine speech. Very touching and he certainly was eloquent. Amazing that so many people here can mock him when our last president could barely put together a full sentence. He has the potential to go down as one of our best presidents ever

So you don’t like the way President Bush reads. Okay. Let’s see how Obama does on the important stuff, like protecting your ass.

846 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:06:43pm

re: #843 mcaplan6102

It was a fine speech. Very touching and he certainly was eloquent. Amazing that so many people here can mock him when our last president could barely put together a full sentence. He has the potential to go down as one of our best presidents ever

Uh … no. Sorry. Vehemently disagree on everything except for what I’ve bolded.

No. He probably has the potential to go down as one of our worst presidents ever, but that jury is obviously still out.

847 JustMyView  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 9:41:41pm

re: #838 SteveRogers

IRT, the Milgram experiments, the results would be quite different if members of our military or folks who realize what “we hold these truth’s to be self evident” mean were the participants.
Sadly, many of our colleges are more places of indoctrination into leftist type groupthink rather than places that teach students how to think for themselves (excluding possibly the hard sciences, math, and engineering majors, to name a few).

I’m not saying I’m perfect, or haven’t done things I regret, but I, like many millions of folks would never come anywhere close to being like the Nazi’s or Communists were. Even with the exceptional charisma Obama possesses, he still didn’t win by a landslide, and many voters who cast their vote for him are beginning to have regrets.

So no, I think their are a lot of people who will never fall for the groupthink mindset of fascists. If Obama had made that distinction, then I would’ve agreed with him on that point.

The Milgram experiment has been repeated with many variations among various segments of the population, but always with similar results. And these studies are but a tiny portion of the social science research demonstrating the human propensity to conform, sometimes even despite the evidence of one’s own senses. If you believe military personnel are invulnerable to this propensity and will always resist or report wrongdoing by other military people, you have not heard the words My Lai.

This is not, in any way, an anti-military statement. We are all vulnerable to acceding to wrongful influence. Understanding this truth is essential to building the moral courage to resist when resistance is called for.

848 doubter4444  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 10:35:53pm

re: #838 SteveRogers

Thanks for the courteous tone, too.
But please show me where I suggested that you makes you evil to point out evil. Pointing out evil is not the point. Not succumbing to evil when it pervades everyday life in ways that are insidious and unavoidable is what I was talking about and I think, again, not to be rude, that you either did not get that, or willfully misunderstood what I was trying to say.
Then you say:
In countries like ours, where we are born with liberty, paid for by the blood of many heroes, it’s much more unlikely that people would lose their humanity. And by human, or humanity I mean human beings who realize that we can choose to do good, for ourselves, families, country, and world. And that individual liberty is the most important thing we have. The results of collective thinking (communism, socialism, fascism, etc.) leads to disaster, as history clearly shows.
But then follow it up with:
Sadly, many of our colleges are more places of indoctrination into leftist type group think rather than places that teach students how to think for themselves (excluding possibly the hard sciences, math, and engineering majors, to name a few).
Which sort of refutes your point, unless you think that Universities have changed massively in the last what, 30 years?Which is fine. However, ALL our leaders (both Democrat and Repubican, and all doctors and 99% of business leaders) have come out of universities and colleges, and frankly, the whole “hotbed of insurrection” seems to me to be the same thing as the old guy yelling at kids to get off the lawn.

It’s easy, plays well to those who agree, but is really just a lot of BS.
Sure colleges lean left, but they pump out plenty of Republicans, and when you are young is when you are supposed to be idealistic.
As reality come crushing in philosophies change and people evolve in their thinking.
Besides, what’s the old saying:
Never trust a man that was not a liberal in his twenties and conservative by his forties. (I butchered the quote, any help on the real wording would be appreciated!)

Otherwise your really just an anti-intellectual, and that alone is pretty scary.

Then this:
I’m not saying I’m perfect, or haven’t done things I regret, but I, like many millions of folks would never come anywhere close to being like the Nazi’s or Communists were.
You know, I really hope that is true, but from your previous comment, saying that a number of horrible people were “not human” sort of belies that.
As I said, the easiest way to oppress people is to de-humanize them. These groups are vile and despicable, don’t get me wrong.
But when that group widens, slowly but surely, are you standing athwart the barricades saying I’ll die for a molesters right to a fair trail?
Because you just implied they deserve to be killed.
That they are sub-human.
So when the sub-human group widens to Abortion doctors, what then?
It probably won’t happen here, but it could, and my point is that people with world views similar to the one you expressed would join that, not fight against it. So, sorry if I don’t really buy your claim of independence.
You finish with:
So no, I think their are a lot of people who will never fall for the group think mindset of fascists. If Obama had made that distinction, then I would’ve agreed with him on that point.
Which gets back to my point in the first place - I think to make sure that we as a people can turn our back on fascism and systematic oppression, we need to be reminded that it COULD HAPPEN. It could happen here or anywhere. Humans are hard wired to protect themselves and their families and will do anything to assure that. By remembering that and accepting that and working to fight for the greater good in addition to the personal safety of the family unit is the only way to keep it from happening. Which is why I took accepting to the comment from Ladycatnip in the first place.

849 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:00:01pm

re: #635 American Sabra


The German people signed on to “white nationalism” or “German nationalism”. A strong Germany for the most part. Those of us on this board who oppose nationalism do so for what it ultimately creates.


Good points AS. I enjoy your comments and admire your strength.

Are you implying that nationalism ultimately leads to a dictatorship in which minorities have no rights? And a racist dictatorship at that? If so, then how would Jewish nationalism avoid what nationalism ultimately creates? Also, since Hamas is not a nationalist group - in the sense that Hamas actually opposes the creation of a Palestinian state (Hamas seeks a caliphate) - one could equally argue that not being nationalist can lead to a gross violation of civil liberties (and most every other civilized liberty imaginable). Finally, I wish to note that American nationhood has been the great experiment in democracy and a beacon for the rest of the world. Thus nationalism is not necessarily the culprit.

850 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jun 5, 2009 11:52:06pm

Looks like I’m the last one here. Time to turn out the lights.
Good night to all. I greatly enjoyed the discussions.
Come, my coach! Good night, ladies; good night, sweet ladies; good night, good night. or something like that.
good night.
+click+

851 SteveRogers  Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:06:20am

“Thanks for the courteous tone, too.
But please show me where I suggested that you makes you evil to point out evil. Pointing out evil is not the point. Not succumbing to evil when it pervades everyday life in ways that are insidious and unavoidable is what I was talking about and I think, again, not to be rude, that you either did not get that, or willfully misunderstood what I was trying to say.”

Well, you don’t know me, but I don’t willfully misunderstand anything. However, your clarification is better than what you said before:
“However, and I’m not calling you names, so make of what you will, but that exact sentiment you expressed above is what allows people to slip into evilness.”

I don’t see how calling Nazi’s that tortured, raped, and murdered in the most hideous ways, millions of Jews and others, not human, sub-human, in-human monsters can be mistaken for succumbing to evil.

I’m talking about people without any concience, people who have experienced no guilt whatsoever for the evil they committed.
Now, physically speaking, yes, they were humans. But mentally, or what some might call a soul or the heart of man? No way were they human. They exhibited no humanity once they chose to commit those atrocities.

You go on to say:
“However, ALL our leaders (both Democrat and Repubican, and all doctors and 99% of business leaders) have come out of universities and colleges, and frankly, the whole “hotbed of insurrection” seems to me to be the same thing as the old guy yelling at kids to get off the lawn.

It’s easy, plays well to those who agree, but is really just a lot of BS.
Sure colleges lean left, but they pump out plenty of Republicans, and when you are young is when you are supposed to be idealistic.”

I don’t know if you have noticed, but many Republicans have been leaning increasingly left as well, as our last Republican controlled Congress and Presidency demonstrated so well with their fiscal irresponsibility, left-leaning policies that damage our liberty (yes, I know not all of them voted for it) such as McCain/Feingold, not to mention NCLB, and way too much pork barrel spending.
Obviously, they aren’t at the level of Democrats irt spending, but there was a time Republicans were actually known for fiscal responsibility.
As for doctors, I consider them part of the hard sciences, and I should’ve mentioned folks who get into business.
As for young and idealistic, I see nothing wrong with middle aged or old and idealistic either. Heck, I’m idealistic. Whether that idealistic attitude considers reality or not is the question.

“As reality come crushing in philosophies change and people evolve in their thinking.”

Sometimes. But there’s plenty of old boomers out there who are still unaffected by reality, or still think they can change it.

“Besides, what’s the old saying:
Never trust a man that was not a liberal in his twenties and conservative by his forties. (I butchered the quote, any help on the real wording would be appreciated!)

Otherwise your really just an anti-intellectual, and that alone is pretty scary.”

I’ve heard the quote. I joined the Navy at 17, more than 30 years ago, and I have never been a left-leaning liberal, although my mother was, and still is, unfortunately. So I guess I’m untrustworthy. Better write and tell the Navy that.

I’m a Classical liberal/Conservative. I see nothing liberal nor progressive about todays left-leaning liberals, since they are hell bent on using the same ideas history has repeatedly shown not only doesn’t work, but causes damage to liberties and economies and people most of all.
I’m not anti-intellectual, I’m anti-idiotarian. And yes, it may appear as if I contradicted myself, but I’ll clear that up at the end of my comment.

To be cont.

852 SteveRogers  Sat, Jun 6, 2009 2:52:13am

Part two- You said:
“”You know, I really hope that is true, but from your previous comment, saying that a number of horrible people were “not human” sort of belies that.
As I said, the easiest way to oppress people is to de-humanize them.”

I don’t dehumanize anyone. Monsters like Nazis, terrorists, and serial killers dehumanize themselves. Tell me what humanity still exists in them?

“These groups are vile and despicable, don’t get me wrong.
But when that group widens, slowly but surely, are you standing athwart the barricades saying I’ll die for a molesters right to a fair trail?”

Where did I say or imply they don’t deserve a fair trial? You lost me there.

“Because you just implied they deserve to be killed.”

If convicted, yes, they do deserve to be killed, and many Nazi’s were in fact executed after fair trials.

“That they are sub-human.”
They are. They proved it.

“So when the sub-human group widens to Abortion doctors, what then?”
Widens? I thought I was specific. I never said anything about abortion doctors who follow the law. It’s a far cry from Nazi’s to abortion doctors.

“It probably won’t happen here, but it could, and my point is that people with world views similar to the one you expressed would join that, not fight against it. So, sorry if I don’t really buy your claim of independence.”

That’s a bizarre connection to make. My examples involve people who were proven to be guilty, and who clearly showed their inhumanity. Me calling them human will not make them so, anymore than me calling them inhuman or subhuman will cause other people to “widen” it to include anyone they don’t like.

“Which gets back to my point in the first place - I think to make sure that we as a people can turn our back on fascism and systematic oppression, we need to be reminded that it COULD HAPPEN. It could happen here or anywhere.”

Never said it couldn’t happen here, but it’s highly unlikely, unless, (and this is why I brought up the dangers of leftism) we lose our liberty and become a fascist state.
Hitler began with gun control, seized businesses for the state, and took away more and more liberties until Germany became a fascist state. Sadly, many on the left (including some Republicans to a lesser extent) are willing to erode our liberties.
It’s nowhere near what Hitler did, but if we lose enough of our liberties, especially our First and Second Ammendments, then the chances we may someday become like the Nazi’s (or Communists) increase. Of course, many other factors must also be involved.
At present, however, I still say it’s highly unlikely, especially here or in any free countries. Much more likely in places that deny the Holocaust. It has been happening in Burma for decades.

853 SteveRogers  Sat, Jun 6, 2009 3:17:13am

re: #847 JustMyView

You said-
“If you believe military personnel are invulnerable to this propensity and will always resist or report wrongdoing by other military people, you have not heard the words My Lai.”

Never said that we are invulnerable to this propensity, but a very small percentage have that propensity. Especially in an all volunteer military that no longer accepts prior felons or people who don’t want to be in.

BTW, perhaps you should read about Mai Lai again. It was military personnel who saved many of those villagers and reported the one’s who committed those crimes. Some tried to cover it up, but without the courage and honor of the one’s who reported and testified in this case we may still not know about it.

Nevertheless, neither Mai Lai as bad as it was, nor the Milgram experiments “prove” that everyone can become just like the Nazi’s were. I suppose it would’ve made a nice defense for the Nazi scum who actually did help torture and murder millions of Jews and others, and claimed to just be following orders, but other than that I question the veracity of the claims as stated at wikipedia.

Incidently, I have disobeyed unlawful orders (and saw many others do so) during my career in the military, so I don’t think I’m unique in my view. I know some folks might think that many in the military never question orders, but that has not been my experience.

854 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 6, 2009 4:20:47am

re: #839 SteveRogers

Talk about an ignorant statement. Yeah, okay, in your view I’m “evil” for not blindly following a groupthink mindset like the Nazi’s did, and for cherishing individual liberty, and somehow that makes me like them. Your logic is impeccable, Cato.

Show me where I said any of those things.

No, you’re ignorant because you can’t read basic English and comprehend what it means; because you have an infantile notion of human nature; and because you think “Nazi’s” is the plural of “Nazi”.

Welcome to the scrollover file.

855 Spartacus50  Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:09:20am

Speech in the morning, then off to Paris for some shopping!

856 doubter4444  Sat, Jun 6, 2009 8:28:48am

SteveRogers:
Well, you don’t know me, but I don’t willfully misunderstand anything. However, your clarification is better than what you said before:
“However, and I’m not calling you names, so make of what you will, but that exact sentiment you expressed above is what allows people to slip into evilness.”

I re-read my first line again, and it sounden unintentionally snarky.
Apologies.
I’ll read your post throughly when I get a chance.

857 pink freud  Sat, Jun 6, 2009 3:40:54pm

re: #165 ladycatnip

This ruined the whole thing for me. We have to remember the perps were human too, then guard against cruelty in ourselves? What a despicable trivialization of what was done to the Jews!

Question: When was the last time any of us ever had to fight the urge to kill whole families, humiliate them, perform wicked experimental torture on them without anesthesia, or use their skin for lampshades, to name just a few vile acts of these “humans”?

The answer: Never.

Who writes this stuff? To compare the sadism of the Nazi’s to each of us is ludicrous and offensive. You can’t compare sociopathic behavior with a normal person - it’s saying, “Remember, Dr. Hannibal Lecter was a person too; and since we’re all human, you must guard your hearts against doing those very same things.”

Disgusting.

Interesting to see the divergence in dings on this post.

858 SteveRogers  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:03:55am

re: #856 doubter4444

No worries, Doubter. It’s difficult at times to communicate as effectively as we might want on the internet.

859 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:07:40am

re: #858 SteveRogers

I’ve been enjoying your posts, SteveRogers. You oughta join us on the dead thread. Meet the night crew …’s some good folks.

860 SteveRogers  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:13:23am

re: #854 Cato the Elder

Well, I can’t very well show you anything if you’re going to scroll over my comments, Cato. Your last comment before mine was quite clear in any sense of the word as to your intent.
I take it you have already made up your mind about me, regardless. Based on your comments thus far, it’s obvious you are only concerned with flinging insults rather than debate. Therefore it’s a waste of time to engage with you any further.
Thanks for the grammer correction though.

861 SteveRogers  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:16:42am

re: #859 pink freud

Thanks, Pink Freud. I regret I cannot do so tonight, because I gotta make a commisary run in the morning (and my wife is giving me the “eye”), but I’ll drop by tomorrow night.

862 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:21:53am

re: #861 SteveRogers

Good! You’d fit right in and we’d welcome your input.

863 mrclark  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:44:28pm

re: #94 Occasional Reader

Oh, come on.

Whatever other criticisms we may have of Obama, including regarding his stance on Israel, it was good and appropriate for him to visit one of the camps, the day before the D-Day anniversary, and to speak.

on reflection, I agree somewhat. I’m just pretty chock full of goldenboy’s speeches. He did what President’s are supposed to do…honor our fighting men and women. I just cringe a bit every time he opens his mouth overseas… He’s forever trying to appease at the expense of our Nation’s security, rewriting history etc. At least he went and did the Presidential thing.

Now if he can just resist further socializing (sorry folks…don’t know what else to call the Government buying into private debt so deeply) our economy further, I’ll be content.


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Craig Finn - ‘Be Honest’ (Live at WFUV)wfuv.org • Follow @wfuv: ow.ly Craig Finn performs "Be Honest" live in Studio A. Recorded 2.21.17. Host: Eric HollandAudio: Jim O'HaraCameras: Sabrina Sitton, Michael Sperling, Kevin O'Malley & Alexandra ReillyEditor: Kevin O'Malley & Sarah Burns
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Marvel’s Cloak and Dagger - Official Trailer Get your first look at the upcoming Freeform TV series about the two young Marvel heroes, starring Olivia Holt as Dagger and Aubrey Joseph as Cloak. Watch more trailers here! Check out the latest and greatest from IGN here! ...
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