Scott Roeder Threatens More Violence

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Scott Roeder, under arrest for the murder of Dr. George Tiller, has told the Associated Press that there are “similar events planned around the country.”

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — The man charged with murdering a high-profile abortion doctor claimed from his jail cell Sunday that similar violence was planned around the nation for as long as the procedure remained legal, a threat that comes days after a federal investigation launched into his possible accomplices.

A Justice Department spokesman said the threat was being taken seriously and additional protection had been ordered for abortion clinics last week. But a leader of the anti-abortion movement derided the accused shooter as “a fruit and a lunatic.”

Scott Roeder called The Associated Press from the Sedgwick County jail, where he’s being held on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault in the shooting of Dr. George Tiller one week ago.

“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,” Roeder said. He would not elaborate.

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402 comments
1 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:10:57pm

Now is water boarding Okay?

2 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:12:27pm

Scott, meet Bubba.

3 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:12:32pm

It's like Zawahiri speaking from his cell in Egypt so long ago.

4 HelloDare  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:12:40pm

re: #1 DEZes

My exact thought.

5 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:13:07pm
6 Desert Dog  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:13:38pm

Well Scott, you will not have to worry about that any longer. You will have other things to keep you busy.

7 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:13:51pm

Didn't his wife say he suffered from a mental illness? It doesn't excuse what happened, but might offer hope that this guy is only aware of plots that happen in his head.

8 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:13:54pm

re: #4 HelloDare

My exact thought.

GMTA. ;)

9 BignJames  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:15:27pm

re: #1 DEZes

Now is water boarding Okay?

Works for me.......bet it wouldn't constitute torture....for the left...on this occasion.

10 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:15:56pm

He's a ****ing terrorist. Don't give him a microphone so his acolytes can get more press.

11 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:16:43pm

re: #9 BignJames

Works for me.......bet it wouldn't constitute torture....for the left...on this occasion.

You read my mind.

12 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:16:49pm

But but he's innocent, don't you know, Tiller was killed by liberal assassins in a black flag operation to stir up hatred against Christians so Obama the Muslim can begin confiscating Bibles and health supplements, even though Tiller deserved it and, MY BRAIN IS MELTING!
/////

13 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:17:26pm

This grieves the heart of God and for any "Christian" to say otherwise is contrary to the teachings of Christianity. Scott Roeder is a murderer plain and simple and until he genuinely repents, Scripture is very clear on where he will end up.

14 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:18:09pm

re: #10 BigPapa

He was also an anarchist (my words, he belonged to "anti-government" organizations). Again, RNC. He was anti government - let them go be that way, they don't support us. We don't need men like this. The Dems can have their cazy a*ses.

15 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:18:12pm

Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. A case for waterboarding?

I ask in all seriousness.

16 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:18:17pm

this might call for some of that so called coercive interrogation

17 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:18:22pm

Scott's new roommate will soon be performing the old "Roeder-Rooter" routine on him.

18 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:18:54pm

My heart is sad and I'm a Christian.

19 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:18:55pm

Dear Scott

SOABO

Give your soon to be new boyfreind Bubba my love

SATTV4U2

20 NelsFree  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:20:21pm

a leader of the anti-abortion movement derided the accused shooter as “a fruit..."

Can we make a smoothie out of him?
/Then pour it down the drain

21 HelloDare  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:20:37pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. A case for waterboarding?

I ask in all seriousness.

Take his bible away. He's not using it anyway.

22 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:21:02pm

Will he share a cell with Carlos Bledsoe?

23 BignJames  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:21:08pm

re: #19 sattv4u2


Keep 'yer soap on a rope?

24 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:21:27pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. A case for waterboarding?

I ask in all seriousness.

I tend to agree.

25 Altermite  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:21:42pm

Argh.re: #9 BignJames

Works for me.......bet it wouldn't constitute torture....for the left...on this occasion.

On the same note, but on the other side of the coin, look to hard-right organizations to call religious persecution et all if it is used on him.

26 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:22:14pm

Denzil is on the pre-game show on ABC..
I contend he is the most handsome..Best actor alive today...
Damn dude..He rocks!
/Denzil likes the Lakers..But he is still cool

27 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:23:12pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

Denzil is on the pre-game show on ABC..
I contend he is the most handsome..Best actor alive today...
Damn dude..He rocks!
/Denzil likes the Lakers..But he is still cool

How do you know. The show hasn't started yet?

28 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:24:11pm

Scott Roeder -

You are IN A HOLE - QUIT DIGGING - That is ALL.

-S-

29 theheat  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:24:34pm
“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,” Roeder said. He would not elaborate.

What an insufferable prick. Of course he won't elaborate. He's a martyr for the cause now, and hopes he's sufficiently enthused the rest of the anti-abortion fringe. He couldn't be a better victim for the cause if he was some jihadi kickin' it in Gitmo right now.

30 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:24:50pm

re: #28 Dr. Shalit

Scott Roeder -

You are IN A HOLE - QUIT DIGGING - That is ALL.

-S-

Well in his case, what the hell else does he have to do?

31 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:25:02pm

re: #23 BignJames

Keep 'yer soap on a rope?

no,, SOABO =
Suck
On
A
Big
One

(which i'm sure he'll be doing in due time!)

32 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:25:08pm

re: #27 Nevergiveup

How do you know. The show hasn't started yet?

ABC..he is on now..ok..It's a commercial..change the channel..hurry!

33 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:25:57pm

re: #30 Nevergiveup

Well in his case, what the hell else does he have to do?

Nevergiveup -

STFU - That is All.

-S-

34 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:26:24pm

re: #32 HoosierHoops

ABC..he is on now..ok..It's a commercial..change the channel..hurry!

Ya I just turned it on. I see.

35 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:27:26pm

re: #33 Dr. Shalit

Nevergiveup -

STFU - That is All.

-S-

What?

36 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:27:56pm

re: #34 Nevergiveup

Ya I just turned it on. I see.

He said he has a son that is a professional football player..WTF?
He is a total stud...

37 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:28:00pm

re: #35 Nevergiveup

Wasn't directed at you--relax.

38 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:28:09pm

re: #32 HoosierHoops

ABC..he is on now..ok..It's a commercial..change the channel..hurry!

watch the EA Sports virtual playbook segment in the pregame show ... Tim Legler on Kobe Bryant's domination ... it is way cool.

39 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:28:50pm

Well, he's probably talking because he figures 1 of 2 things - either he's listening to his lawyers and spilling his beans, or he's so vain that he can't help but boast of further acts of terrorism and violence.

I'm betting on the latter.

40 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:29:28pm

re: #35 Nevergiveup

What?

Nevergiveup -

Miranda and all that - remember - I went to Law School, old habit.

-S-

41 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:29:56pm

re: #38 _RememberTonyC

watch the EA Sports virtual playbook segment in the pregame show ... Tim Legler on Kobe Bryant's domination ... it is way cool.

Come on! isn't there one lizard here that can sneak Kobe some bad shrimp?
Work with me people! LOL

42 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:30:16pm
43 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:30:21pm

re: #40 Dr. Shalit

Nevergiveup -

Miranda and all that - remember - I went to Law School, old habit.

-S-

Ah ok. Never mind

44 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:30:41pm

re: #35 Nevergiveup

What?


It looks like he was answering the question and that Roeder should STFU.
Thats how I saw it.

45 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:30:42pm

the thread seems tio be running out of steam early, so at the risk of getting yelled at

OT

2 (related?) posts on Drudge

#1 [Link: apnews.myway.com...]
NEW YORK (AP) - The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.

But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect.

and

#2 New York Times MONDAY: TENSIONS GRIP OBAMA ECONOMIC TEAM... DEVELOPING...

46 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:30:45pm

Scott Roeder today warned that his Army of God buddies were gunning for more abortion doctors.

In other news for the clueless, Hitler told people he was planning to exterminate the Jews years before he actually began to do it, and the KKK warned that civil rights 'outside agitators' would be murdered, months before they ended up buried in a dam in Philadelphia, Mississippi.

47 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:30:47pm

re: #41 HoosierHoops

Come on! isn't there one lizard here that can sneak Kobe some bad shrimp?
Work with me people! LOL


I want ORL to win in 7 games ... but don't tell my bosses :)

48 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:31:34pm

re: #44 DEZes

It looks like he was answering the question and that Roeder should STFU.
Thats how I saw it.

Yeah I got it. Ya don't have hit me with 2 X 4. Well not to often at least.

49 livefreeor die  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:31:49pm

re: #10 BigPapa

He's a ****ing terrorist. Don't give him a microphone so his acolytes can get more press.

I agree. Why are they letting this guy give interviews?
"Hey, if we give this guy a soapbox, maybe we'll prevent more attacks."

50 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:31:59pm

re: #47 _RememberTonyC

I want ORL to win in 7 games ... but don't tell my bosses :)

Tonight is the night..Man up or go home..It's that simple

51 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:32:23pm

re: #45 sattv4u2

the thread seems tio be running out of steam early, so at the risk of getting yelled at

OT

2 (related?) posts on Drudge

#1 [Link: apnews.myway.com...]
NEW YORK (AP) - The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.

But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect.

and

#2 New York Times MONDAY: TENSIONS GRIP OBAMA ECONOMIC TEAM... DEVELOPING...

Well who would have ever thought that spending like 150 billion might cause inflation?

52 jorline  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:32:27pm
But a leader of the anti-abortion movement derided the accused shooter as “a fruit and a lunatic.”

Takes one to know one!

53 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:32:39pm

re: #50 HoosierHoops

Tonight is the night..Man up or go home..It's that simple


yup ... agree ....

54 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:33:01pm

re: #48 Nevergiveup

Yeah I got it. Ya don't have hit me with 2 X 4. Well not to often at least.

Sorry, I posted before I saw it was not needed.

55 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:33:18pm

re: #51 Nevergiveup

Might be missing some 0s there....

56 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:33:32pm

re: #45 sattv4u2

re: #51 Nevergiveup

Well who would have ever thought that spending like 150 billion might cause inflation?

I've stated it before, I'l state it again

I don't give a rats ass about seeing Obamas Nirth Cert,,, I want to see his Economics 101 transcripts!

57 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:34:16pm

So is Scott Roeder still complaining about being treated like a criminal while awaiting trial? Read that the other day.

58 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:35:14pm

re: #45 sattv4u2

#1 [Link: apnews.myway.com...]
NEW YORK (AP) - The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.

But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect.

Well isn't this just incredibly shocking.

//

/////////////////////////////////

59 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:35:26pm

re: #29 theheat

Naturally Roeder won't elaborate. Tiller's murder is intended as a terroristic act; it is intended to terrorise other abortion providers and frighten women away from clinics. Let's not forget that Tiller was one of only a handful of providers in this country skilled enough to perform late-term abortions. We're about three assassinations away from effectively ending late-term abortion in this country.

I don't think Roeder is likely to have specific information about other planned attacks, but I also don't doubt there will be an upswing in violence against abortion clinics and providers, just as there was in the 90's under the Clinton administration. It's no coincidence that Tiller was first shot in 93.

60 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:35:29pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. A case for waterboarding?

I ask in all seriousness.

Interesting question but I think not. He's in the hands of law enforcement, an American citizen and arrested in the US. If he was captured overseas by the CIA things might be different but I don't think he's a candidate.

61 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:36:43pm

re: #56 sattv4u2

re: #51 Nevergiveup

I've stated it before, I'l state it again

I don't give a rats ass about seeing Obamas Nirth Cert,,, I want to see his Economics 101 transcripts!

And the kicker. NOW he wants to spend more on wrecking the American Health Care System and the arrogant bastards wants it on his desk by August!

62 Desert Dog  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:37:14pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Interesting question but I think not. He's in the hands of law enforcement, an American citizen and arrested in the US. If he was captured overseas by the CIA things might be different but I don't think he's a candidate.

Trying him, finding him guilty, strapping him down to a table and injecting a lethal dose of poison sounds better anyway.

63 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:37:31pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Interesting question but I think not. He's in the hands of law enforcement, an American citizen and arrested in the US. If he was captured overseas by the CIA things might be different but I don't think he's a candidate.

You're right.

/rats!

64 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:37:37pm

re: #45 sattv4u2

MONDAY: TENSIONS GRIP OBAMA ECONOMIC TEAM... DEVELOPING...

I'm interested to see what that's about. Bernake slammed the administration and congress last week. I'm sure some of Obama's advisers are warning him about the reckless budget and stupefying deficit.

65 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:37:42pm

and in other news from the Obama Economic Brain Trust:

President Barack Obama wants Congress to consider taxing the wealthy instead of workers to pay for a health-care overhaul, as House Democrats discuss a plan to require health insurance for most Americans.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Should get the economy smoking!

66 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:37:42pm

Hey is Magic blowing up or is something wrong with my TV?

67 TedStriker  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:37:57pm

re: #57 Gus 802

So is Scott Roeder still complaining about being treated like a criminal while awaiting trial? Read that the other day.

Probably, because we all know that you couldn't possibly be a criminal if you were just acting as the instrument for God's vengeance by popping a cap or two into an evil abortionist!

///////// to the extreme

68 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:38:47pm

re: #49 livefreeor die

I agree. Why are they letting this guy give interviews?

We shouldn't be letting him speak. He told us all he needs to know when he murdered Tiller. Let the investigators and psychologists talk to him all he wants, but keep his mug off the news. It just emboldens his acolytes.

69 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:38:53pm

re: #57 Gus 802

So is Scott Roeder still complaining about being treated like a criminal while awaiting trial? Read that the other day.

I saw that too, did the idiot think he would walk on a red carpet and rose petals after he comited a murder?

70 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:39:04pm

re: #67 talon_262

Probably, because we all know that you couldn't possibly be a criminal if you were just acting as the instrument for God's vengeance by popping a cap or two into an evil abortionist!

///////// to the extreme

Right. Especially one that wasn't granted any bail.

71 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:39:39pm

re: #66 Nevergiveup

Nothing wrong with your TV, he's a chubster these days.

72 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:40:08pm

re: #45 sattv4u2

Indeed, and the health care proposal is going to fall flat on its face because the feds can't get their revenue projections even in the ballpark. It's so obvious that taxes have to be raised to make them happen that the blue dog Democrats are going to balk.

Even still, you've got Rangel (D-tax cheat) pushing to get the climate change bill done before moving on to the health care mess - a bill that is incomplete even by Democrats' own admission.

73 NelsFree  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:40:15pm

re: #65 ArmyWife

and in other news from the Obama Economic Brain Trust:


[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Should get the economy smoking!

...and where there's smoke, there's...meltdown!
/this should prove that fire melts steel

74 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:40:40pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

I'm interested to see what that's about. Bernake slammed the administration and congress last week. I'm sure some of Obama's advisers are warning him about the reckless budget and stupefying deficit.

I'm wondering if the NYT's will name names, or site 'sources within,,,"

I recall them (the Times et al) falling all over themselves whenever there was a schism in the Bush admin. They couldn't get the names out there fast enough

75 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:40:43pm

re: #69 DEZes

I saw that too, did the idiot think he would walk on a red carpet and rose petals after he comited a murder?

Probably. He'll probably start complaining about the size of his cell. "Why are they treating me like a criminal and locking me up in this tiny room?"

76 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:41:09pm

re: #66 Nevergiveup

Hey is Magic blowing up or is something wrong with my TV?

He's not on a DIET ,,, he's on a TRY IT!

77 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:41:18pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

Probably anonymous sources.

78 Desert Dog  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:42:05pm

re: #69 DEZes

I saw that too, did the idiot think he would walk on a red carpet and rose petals after he comited a murder?

I am just guessing, but I would say there is not much brain activity going on in the "logic and thinking" portions of his little pea brain. Judging by his comments, he really is in shock that he is being treated like the murderer he is.

79 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:42:11pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Probably. He'll probably start complaining about the size of his cell. "Why are they treating me like a criminal and locking me up in this tiny room?"

Wait till he complains about the size of Bubba's......
Never mind.

80 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:42:16pm

re: #76 sattv4u2

He's not on a DIET ,,, he's on a TRY IT!

Or the ever popular SEE FOOD diet

81 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:42:46pm

re: #72 lawhawk

Indeed, and the health care proposal is going to fall flat on its face because the feds can't get their revenue projections even in the ballpark. It's so obvious that taxes have to be raised to make them happen that the blue dog Democrats are going to balk.

Even still, you've got Rangel (D-tax cheat) pushing to get the climate change bill done before moving on to the health care mess - a bill that is incomplete even by Democrats' own admission.

I linked earlier today that Teddy (burp) Kennedy is pushing legislation that will REQUIRE businesses to provide health care at the risk of being FINED if they do not

82 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:43:14pm

re: #78 Desert Dog

I am just guessing, but I would say there is not much brain activity going on in the "logic and thinking" portions of his little pea brain. Judging by his comments, he really is in shock that he is being treated like the murderer he is.

Delusions of Grandeur?
Sounds about right.

83 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:43:14pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Probably anonymous sources.

most likely

84 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:43:28pm

This is crazy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jack Ruby believed he would be hailed as a hero for murdering Lee Harvey Oswald, but he was wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. Murder for any cause is still murder.

85 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:43:59pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

Did you read Howie's "Field Guide to Hacks" in todays Herald? It was hilarious.

86 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:43:59pm

OT:

BOSTON GLOBE staff may vote to reject new compromise; Could result in unilateral 23% pay cut... Developing...

87 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:44:06pm

EA Sports virtual playbook coming up ... check it out

88 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:45:23pm

Microsoft's Porn Search Blocked in Islamic Countries

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hell scratch Saudi Arabia off my vacation list.

89 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:46:38pm

re: #85 Lincolntf

Did you read Howie's "Field Guide to Hacks" in todays Herald? It was hilarious.

Not yet. Old habits die hard. I read the Globe 1st (still has THE best sports section in the country, IMHO) then I scan the Herald. Been at work all day and between that and the Globe i'll most likely read todays Howie tomorrow.

90 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:47:23pm

re: #87 _RememberTonyC

EA Sports virtual playbook coming up ... check it out

The high screen pick that showed was awesome...You can't give Kobe 15-18 foot shots..He is deadly off the high pick and screen

91 TedStriker  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:47:23pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Right. Especially one that wasn't granted any bail.

Personally, I hope that hypocritical scumbag Roeder gets thrown under the jail and rots there...

92 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:47:33pm

re: #88 Nevergiveup

Microsoft's Porn Search Blocked in Islamic Countries

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hell scratch Saudi Arabia off my vacation list.

$500 says any male within the Royal Family ain't 'blocked"

93 realwest  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:47:34pm

re: #61 Nevergiveup
Hey there Nevergiveup - got a minute or two before dinner and wondered if you'd read all the stuff on the DT today about Obama and the Dem's Chrysler screw up in bankruptcy court - if Justice Ginsburg (or more likely SCOTUS in full) doesn't do anything, everyone who holds BONDS of any kind will be holding pretty nearly worthless paper. Won't be able to sell it for much, since the Bankruptcy Court basically said to hell with contract laws that gave Bond holders a Prior Security Lien position (in return for a lower interest rate) Bond Holders don't have any sort of prior security lien with regards to the Goverment. That's cause the government spent TARP money to prop up the UAW Chrysler, instead of using it as it was intended to be used, to loosen credit by banks, so now forget about hundreds of years of bankruptcy law and contract law, if the government gets it's hooks into an industry, bondholders can be left with NOTHING. Should really help businesses get the cash they need to say, expand and hire more people, right?

94 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:47:52pm

re: #15 Cato the Elder

Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. A case for waterboarding?

I ask in all seriousness.

Interestingly, I ran across this post earlier that asks how and whether we might extend the paradigm for the treatment of foreign terrorists to domestic terrorists. I don't know who this guy is, but it's an interesting read:

If bombings of abortion clinics and murders of abortion providers are acts of terrorism, should we treat the problem of terrorism that they present the way we treat the problem of terrorism from Al Qaeda and other groups? (snip) In particular, consider the following questions:

(1) Should the United States be able to hold Roeder without trial in order to prevent him from returning to society to kill more abortion providers? If we believe that Roeder and other domestic terrorists will plan further attacks on abortion providers and abortion clinics if we let them free, can we subject them to indefinite detention?

(2) The Obama Administration is currently considering a national security court to make decisions about the detention of suspected terrorists, with the power to order continued preventive detention. Should this court be able to hear cases involving U.S. citizens, whether they are Muslim or Christian?

(3) The U.S. government has argued that at least some terrorists should not be tried through the criminal process with its various Bill of Rights protections but instead can and should be tried through military commissions, where the standards of proof and various procedural protections are lowered. If Roeder is a domestic terrorist, can the U.S. government subject him to trial by a military commission instead of a criminal prosecution? Although the current version of the 2006 Military Commission Act does not bestow jurisdiction to try citizens, could we or should we amend it to include citizens who we believe are likely to commit or have committed terrorist acts?

There's much more.
[Link: balkin.blogspot.com...]

95 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:48:17pm

re: #90 HoosierHoops

The high screen pick that showed was awesome...You can't give Kobe 15-18 foot shots..He is deadly off the high pick and screen


he has the best midrange game in the NBA ... no question

96 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:48:46pm

Environment
Travel and transport
Levy on international air travel could fund climate change fight
• Idea put forward by 50 least developed countries
• Move could be matched by shipping fuel surcharge

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Sure why not. And while your at it:

Democrats Weigh Health Mandate as Obama Urges Taxing Wealthy

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

And then no one will be able to afford to fly internationally?

97 realwest  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:49:09pm

re: #84 Yankee Division Son

This is crazy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jack Ruby believed he would be hailed as a hero for murdering Lee Harvey Oswald, but he was wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. Murder for any cause is still murder.


ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON.
By the way, any word on how that wounded soldier is doing, anyone?

98 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:49:16pm

This may be some good news....

Lebanon's pro-Western majority declares victory

BEIRUT (AP) -- Lebanon's pro-Western coalition declared victory early Monday, as local television stations reported the faction had successfully fended off a serious challenge by the Shiite militant group Hezbollah and its allies to grab the majority in parliament.

Official results for Sunday's election were not expected until later Monday, but the winners were already celebrating by shooting in the air, setting off fireworks and driving around in honking motorcades.

The election was an early test of President Barack Obama's efforts to forge Middle East peace. A win by Hezbollah would have boosted the influence of its backers Iran and Syria and risked pushing one of the region's most volatile nations into international isolation and possibly into more conflict with Israel.

"I present this victory to Lebanon," Prime Minister Fuad Saniora said on television after stations projected his pro-Western coalition was winning. "It is an exceptional day for democracy in Lebanon."

OTV, the television station of one of Hezbollah's key Christian allies, former army chief Michel Aoun, conceded that the party's candidates who challenged pro-Western competitors in several Christian districts had been defeated, preventing a victory for the Hezbollah coalition. But Aoun was able to hang on to his representation in other districts.


Notice the reference to Obama. Is AP suggesting that Obama had something to do with the results?

99 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:49:17pm

re: #89 sattv4u2

Globe sports are the only reason to buy that paper. I read them both online nowadays so I get to skip all the Bos Globe garbage that comes with the hard copy.
Of course, I'm still stuck reading the Inside Track at the Herald so I'm not that discriminating.

100 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:49:33pm

re: #57 Gus 802

So is Scott Roeder still complaining about being treated like a criminal while awaiting trial? Read that the other day.

Complaining about the conditions of one's incarceration is right out of the Al Qaeda manual...along with taking out enemy symbols.

101 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:51:12pm

re: #97 realwest

ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON.
By the way, any word on how that wounded soldier is doing, anyone?

The one from Arkansas? I think OK

102 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:51:34pm

re: #100 Salamantis

Complaining about the conditions of one's incarceration is right out of the Al Qaeda manual...along with taking out enemy symbols.

Sounds correct. Right about now the guards are probably thinking: "this one's going to be a lot of trouble." And he already is.

Apparently after watching that video on "Army of God" it's my understanding that they will probably provide him with support while in prison. Creepy folks.

103 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:51:36pm

re: #62 Desert Dog

Trying him, finding him guilty, strapping him down to a table and injecting a lethal dose of poison sounds better anyway.

Not eligible for the death penalty.

104 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:51:47pm

re: #62 Desert Dog

Trying him, finding him guilty, strapping him down to a table and injecting a lethal dose of poison sounds better anyway.

He wouldn't be the first. The Reverend Paul Hill's shotgun murder of an abortion doctor and a clinic escort earned him a trip to the Florida electric chair. And yes, the sentence has been carried out.

105 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:51:53pm

Anagram for Scott Roeder:

Rot Credo Set

106 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:52:34pm

re: #100 Salamantis

Complaining about the conditions of one's incarceration is right out of the Al Qaeda manual...along with taking out enemy symbols.

hmmm,, I think you've hit on something. I wonder if the lefties would consider the use of CYMBALS to be torture!?!?!

Sargeant ,,,,, bring me the Zildjians !

[Link: www.zildjian.com...]

107 realwest  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:52:53pm

re: #100 Salamantis

Complaining about the conditions of one's incarceration is right out of the Al Qaeda manual...along with taking out enemy symbols.

Yep, it sure is. BTW, I tried to comment to you the other night and lost my internet connection and just wanted to say "Good Man" for your work in guarding or escorting women to abortion clinics in the past.

108 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:53:14pm

re: #100 Salamantis

Complaining about the conditions of one's incarceration is right out of the Al Qaeda manual...along with taking out enemy symbols.

America prisoners have complained and sued for better food, cable TV, recreation and, well you can just about name it.
I am not sure who is using who's playbook.

Oh and Hi Salamantis.

109 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:53:40pm

US sales stall, but Prius is still big in Japan
Toyota's Prius was the top seller in Japan, but US sales are down 45 per cent so far this year

[Link: www.businessgreen.com...]

But aren't those the kind of cars that Obam---urh I mean the NEW GM wants to sell?

110 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:53:48pm

re: #95 _RememberTonyC

he has the best midrange game in the NBA ... no question

As much as I hate the Lakers...Kobe is in my top 5 shooting guards of all time..In all history...Who matches up with him?
Who in the world takes him on today? He is a beautiful athlete..Damn!

111 Last Mohican  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:54:52pm

re: #106 sattv4u2

hmmm,, I think you've hit on something. I wonder if the lefties would consider the use of CYMBALS to be torture!?!?!

Cymbals? No.

Bass solo? Yes.

112 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:55:19pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

As much as I hate the Lakers...Kobe is in my top 5 shooting guards of all time..In all history...Who matches up with him?
Who in the world takes him on today? He is a beautiful athlete..Damn!

He didn't look so good in last years finals?

113 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:55:26pm

Star Spangled Banner starts. Comments stop. Hmmmmm.

114 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:55:28pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

As much as I hate the Lakers...Kobe is in my top 5 shooting guards of all time..In all history...Who matches up with him?
Who in the world takes him on today? He is a beautiful athlete..Damn!

Tingles?

115 realwest  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:55:55pm

re: #108 DEZes
Hi DEZes! You're sure right about that, but so is Sal with "Complaining about the conditions of one's incarceration is right out of the Al Qaeda manual...along with taking out enemy symbols." [emphasis realwest]
I haven't heard or seen anything in the MSM lately about that Private who was shot when the other Solider was murdered - talk about symbols - have you heard anything about how he's doing?

116 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:56:08pm

re: #97 realwest

I haven't heard anything, but I hope he's well on his way to recovery.

117 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:56:34pm

re: #84 Yankee Division Son

This is crazy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jack Ruby believed he would be hailed as a hero for murdering Lee Harvey Oswald, but he was wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. Murder for any cause is still murder.

Commandment number six - thou shalt not murder - doesn't have exceptions after it. Neither do the other nine. I cannot understand how a mind can fail to grasp that and can claim that murder - any murder - is doing God's work, for crying out loud.

118 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:56:47pm

America Idol winner Kris is singing the American anthem..
LA started booing him..He is kicking butt and shutting up the boo birds..
Whoops they are now cheering him..Damn.. I hate LA
*wink*

119 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:56:55pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

As much as I hate the Lakers...Kobe is in my top 5 shooting guards of all time..In all history...Who matches up with him?
Who in the world takes him on today? He is a beautiful athlete..Damn!


he's up there for sure ... along with MJ and Jerry West.

120 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:57:41pm

re: #114 DEZes

Tingles?


tingles are OK in basketball but not OK in politics

121 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:57:42pm

re: #109 Nevergiveup

yes, because they are the cars YOU want! Ugly, small ones! WOOHOOO!

122 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:58:03pm

re: #118 HoosierHoops

America Idol winner Kris is singing the American anthem..
LA started booing him..He is kicking butt and shutting up the boo birds..
Whoops they are now cheering him..Damn.. I hate LA
*wink*

I didn't know they allowed the singing of the National Anthem or the flying of the Flag in LA LA Land?

123 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:58:19pm

re: #119 _RememberTonyC

he's up there for sure ... along with MJ and Jerry West.

Oscar

124 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:58:24pm

re: #112 Nevergiveup

He didn't look so good in last years finals?

My boy P-Squared (Paul Pierce) was just a little better!

125 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:58:40pm

re: #112 Nevergiveup

He didn't look so good in last years finals?

True..one guy will never beat 5 guys....He has help this year..Crap!
Go Magic!
* on my knees praying to the basketball Gods!*

126 realwest  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:58:48pm

re: #103 pink freud
So what are you saying? That scumbag can only get life in prison? We have to support HIM for the rest of his life?
Sure wish we had a Federal Law to cover that situation. Send out a nice message to the other loons out there too.

127 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:59:03pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Oscar


Oscar was more of a point guard, but I get your drift. Big O could do it all.

128 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:59:23pm

re: #119 _RememberTonyC

he's up there for sure ... along with MJ and Jerry West.

Oscar also...
This is fun!

129 realwest  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:59:39pm

re: #116 Yankee Division Son Thanks, I'm thinking he must be or it would have been on the news, you know?

130 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:59:45pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

As much as I hate the Lakers...Kobe is in my top 5 shooting guards of all time..In all history...Who matches up with him?
Who in the world takes him on today? He is a beautiful athlete..Damn!

I'm not a big basketball fan - whenever I hear "Kobe" I think of an old saying that includes the words "pecker" and "pants." Tsk tsk tsk. Then I think of Japan.

131 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 4:59:48pm

Strange arrangement of Kashmir - shades of Carmina Burana at the end.

132 NelsFree  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:00:04pm

re: #106 sattv4u2

hmmm,, I think you've hit on something. I wonder if the lefties would consider the use of CYMBALS to be torture!?!?!

Sargeant ,,,,, bring me the Zildjians !

Torture him until he crashes?
/h

133 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:00:21pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

As much as I hate the Lakers...Kobe is in my top 5 shooting guards of all time..In all history...Who matches up with him?
Who in the world takes him on today? He is a beautiful athlete..Damn!

Pistol Pete was dead-on accurate:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And don't forget Reggie "Killer" Miller.

134 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:00:24pm

re: #115 realwest

Hi DEZes! You're sure right about that, but so is Sal with "Complaining about the conditions of one's incarceration is right out of the Al Qaeda manual...along with taking out enemy symbols." [emphasis realwest]
I haven't heard or seen anything in the MSM lately about that Private who was shot when the other Solider was murdered - talk about symbols - have you heard anything about how he's doing?

Hello Realwest, I have spoken with you very little, so let me say thank you for being a gracious poster on LGF.
Yes, Salamantis was correct, I never meant to imply other wise.
As for our brave soldier, I heard he is doing Okay, and is in many peoples prayers, including my own.

135 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:00:42pm

re: #126 realwest

So what are you saying? That scumbag can only get life in prison? We have to support HIM for the rest of his life?
Sure wish we had a Federal Law to cover that situation. Send out a nice message to the other loons out there too.

Sure looks that way. Death penalty worthy, IMO.

136 Steffan  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:00:47pm

Heh and a half.

Check out this picture at the Jawa Report.

"If looks could kill...."

137 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:01:07pm

re: #120 _RememberTonyC

tingles are OK in basketball but not OK in politics

LMAO, I see your point.

138 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:01:14pm

re: #133 Salamantis

Pistol Pete was dead-on accurate:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And don't forget Reggie "Killer" Miller.

Well Reggie mostly killed the Knicks, but that's a subject for another day

139 realwest  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:01:35pm

re: #117 Catttt
Um, well to begin with, have y'all ever heard of the Crusades? The commandments are more for lip service for most folks than to be followed, I'm afraid.

140 Desert Dog  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:01:43pm

re: #88 Nevergiveup

Microsoft's Porn Search Blocked in Islamic Countries

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hell scratch Saudi Arabia off my vacation list.

Not enough bestiality or pedophilia links for them?

/

141 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:02:06pm

re: #136 Steffan

Heh and a half.

Check out this picture at the Jawa Report.

"If looks could kill...."

Ouch. I just got frostbite.

142 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:02:24pm

re: #138 Nevergiveup

Reggie sticking it to Spike Lee is one of my fondest non-Celtics basketball reminisces. That was great.

143 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:02:33pm

re: #139 realwest

Um, well to begin with, have y'all ever heard of the Crusades? The commandments are more for lip service for most folks than to be followed, I'm afraid.

Well, it's "though shalt not MURDER, real, not "Kill," for a reason.

144 Desert Dog  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:02:33pm

re: #136 Steffan

Heh and a half.

Check out this picture at the Jawa Report.

"If looks could kill...."

Ouch! What did Mrs. S do to her?

145 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:02:36pm

re: #126 realwest

So what are you saying? That scumbag can only get life in prison? We have to support HIM for the rest of his life?
Sure wish we had a Federal Law to cover that situation. Send out a nice message to the other loons out there too.

We do. Roeder can't get the death penalty under KS law--he doesn't meet the capital murder statute-- BUT the feds launched a probe on friday, so he *may* still be eligible for the death penalty under that:

The U.S. Department of Justice confirms the death penalty is still a possibility in relation to the murder of Dr. George Tiller.

On Friday afternoon, a DOJ press release announced a federal investigation into the Wichita abortion provider's death.The release stated investigators will look into possible violations of the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act or FACE Act. The FACE Act was passed in 1994 amid rising violence at reproductive health clinics and is designed to protect abortion providers and patients.
(snip)
With the new federal investigation, the death penalty would be a possibility. The FACE Act makes injuring a person who is obtaining or providing reproductive health services a federal crime.

If convicted of breaking this federal law, life in prison is also a possible sentence. However, a DOJ spokesperson tells Eyewitness News if the crime is a premeditated act involving a gun, federal statute 18 U.S.C. 924(j) makes the death penalty a possibility.

[Link: www.kwch.com...]

So it's still possible. Not sure how likely it is.

146 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:02:46pm

re: #130 Catttt

I'm not a big basketball fan - whenever I hear "Kobe" I think of an old saying that includes the words "pecker" and "pants." Tsk tsk tsk. Then I think of Japan.

Poor Charles..He is probably counting the days when I can't post about Ball..
Guess for the next 6 months it's music or politics...
/Charles is happy *wink*

147 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:02:50pm

re: #136 Steffan

Heh and a half.

Check out this picture at the Jawa Report.

"If looks could kill...."

She makes herself ugly. No help for it when it comes from so deep inside.

148 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:03:16pm

re: #142 Lincolntf

Reggie sticking it to Spike Lee is one of my fondest non-Celtics basketball reminisces. That was great.

That is exactly what I was thinking as I typed that.

149 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:03:42pm

re: #138 Nevergiveup

Well Reggie mostly killed the Knicks, but that's a subject for another day

anyone who kills the knicks is a friend of mine. i hate them worse than the lakers.

150 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:03:46pm

re: #144 Desert Dog

For one, Carla is feminine...

151 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:03:47pm

re: #146 HoosierHoops

Poor Charles..He is probably counting the days when I can't post about Ball..
Guess for the next 6 months it's music or politics...
/Charles is happy *wink*

the WNBA started it's season this week, didn't it !?!?!?!

152 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:03:55pm

re: #143 Catttt

Well, it's "though shalt not MURDER, real, not "Kill," for a reason.

Quite right. War and self-defence are killing, but not murder.

153 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:04:18pm

re: #149 _RememberTonyC

anyone who kills the knicks is a friend of mine. i hate them worse than the lakers.

As long as Dolan owns them, so do I.

154 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:04:33pm

I root for 2 teams

#1) The Boston Celtics

#2) whoever is playing the Lakers!

155 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:04:38pm

re: #136 Steffan

Heh and a half.

Check out this picture at the Jawa Report.

"If looks could kill...."

That reminds me of an old Dennis the Menace cartoon with the caption: "Gee, Dad. She looked right at the clock, and it's still ticking," (In front of the lady, of course.)

156 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:04:43pm

re: #146 HoosierHoops

Poor Charles..He is probably counting the days when I can't post about Ball..
Guess for the next 6 months it's music or politics...
/Charles is happy *wink*


maybe we can turn him into a hoop fan? Johnson is a great NBA last name.

157 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:04:44pm

re: #135 pink freud

Sure looks that way. Death penalty worthy, IMO.

It could be.
But I have to tell you - I struggle with the "death penalty".
Daughter asked me one day, if I am so "pro-life", would I be able to vote for the death penalty for a criminal if I were on the jury?

I had to answer "no", I could not do it.

158 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:04:48pm

re: #150 ArmyWife

For one, Carla is feminine...

...and doesn't look like a troll.

159 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:04:56pm

re: #154 sattv4u2

Me too.

160 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:05:34pm

re: #133 Salamantis

Pistol Pete was dead-on accurate:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And don't forget Reggie "Killer" Miller.

Pete was a great college player.. I got 4 free tiks to see Reggie's retirement game at Conseco center...
Miller was an assassin on the floor...

161 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:05:35pm

re: #154 sattv4u2

I root for 2 teams

#1) The Boston Celtics

#2) whoever is playing the Lakers!

Well as i said before as long as Dolan owns the Knicks I got no dog in this fight.

162 NelsFree  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:05:45pm

re: #136 Steffan

Heh and a half.

Check out this picture at the Jawa Report.

Michelle certainly looks angry.

163 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:05:51pm

re: #153 Nevergiveup

As long as Dolan owns them, so do I.


Dolan is a gangster and a punk .... I worked for his father in the early 1990s ... all of them are evil to the core.

164 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:06:19pm

re: #144 Desert Dog

Ouch! What did Mrs. S do to her?

I'm guessing the Green-Eyed Monster reared its ugly head - and that is the result.

165 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:06:29pm

re: #144 Desert Dog

Ouch! What did Mrs. S do to her?

She showed class.

166 realwest  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:06:33pm

Woops, mom just called dinner so I gotta go - hope I get the chance to see you all down the line!

167 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:06:37pm

Merkel party wins German vote; rival embarrassed

BERLIN (AP) -- Germans handed a lackluster victory to Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives and a historically heavy defeat to their center-left rivals in Sunday's European Parliament vote, months before a national election.

The outcome, a center-right majority, was enough to boost Merkel's hopes of ending the tense left-right "grand coalition" that has led the European Union's most populous nation since 2005 and replacing it with a center-right government.

It also showed that Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier - her center-left challenger - faces a steep uphill struggle to oust the popular Merkel in the Sept. 27 national election.

Later.....

Merkel's conservatives were expected to lose ground Sunday compared with 2004, but the Social Democrats expected at least some gains.

"This is a disappointing election result - there's no talking around it," Steinmeier told ARD.

168 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:06:40pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

It could be.
But I have to tell you - I struggle with the "death penalty".
Daughter asked me one day, if I am so "pro-life", would I be able to vote for the death penalty for a criminal if I were on the jury?

I had to answer "no", I could not do it.

It's a struggle worthy issue, no doubt. OTOH, if someone murdered my child, could I vote for the death penalty? In a heartbeat.

169 avanti  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:06:57pm

re: #136 Steffan

Heh and a half.

Check out this picture at the Jawa Report.

"If looks could kill...."

It's just sad that some look so hard for something to reinforce their opinions, The left did the same with unfaltering pictures of Laura and just as bad this time around.

170 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:07:00pm

re: #158 pink freud

that, too. Instead of ugly expensive tennis shoes, why doesn't she get some braces and fix her bite? It would help a lot. I am a firm believer that technology to make you look better exists for a reason - don't go too far, but take advantage of what is out there!

171 Opilio  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:07:20pm

re: #105 Gus 802

Anagram for Scott Roeder:

Rot Credo Set

Steer Cod Rot.

172 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:07:28pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

It could be.
But I have to tell you - I struggle with the "death penalty".
Daughter asked me one day, if I am so "pro-life", would I be able to vote for the death penalty for a criminal if I were on the jury?

I had to answer "no", I could not do it.

Not even for Bin Laden or Zawahiri or Bundy or Dahmer or Gacy or Chikatilo or McVeigh?

Some peoples' crimes are so heinous, IMO, that nothing less than the death penalty will suffice.

173 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:07:39pm

re: #165 DEZes

She showed class.

WAB has realized there are some things her money and position cannot buy. It must sting.

174 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:08:07pm

re: #163 _RememberTonyC

Dolan is a gangster and a punk .... I worked for his father in the early 1990s ... all of them are evil to the core.

Really? We gotta talk....

175 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:08:33pm

re: #166 realwest

Woops, mom just called dinner so I gotta go - hope I get the chance to see you all down the line!


be well, RW

176 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:09:01pm

re: #169 avanti

It's just sad that some look so hard for something to reinforce their opinions, The left did the same with unfaltering pictures of Laura and just as bad this time around.

Laura Bush never that I saw, did anything but act like a lady.
Piss on the left.

177 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:09:03pm

re: #168 pink freud

I think it's a separation of innocent life v. criminal acts.

178 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:09:05pm

re: #169 avanti

It's just sad that some look so hard for something to reinforce their opinions, The left did the same with unfaltering pictures of Laura and just as bad this time around.

Come on avanti ....one doesn't have to look far. We've seen this nastiness from her since she hit the spotlight. It's part of who she is. It's also a bit beyond 'unflattering'.

179 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:09:41pm

re: #173 pink freud

WAB has realized there are some things her money and position cannot buy. It must sting.

Like a million Bee's.

180 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:09:58pm

re: #174 HoosierHoops

Really? We gotta talk....


Oh yeah .... SportsChannel America ... a very bad career move at the time. But things worked out well after I left.

181 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:10:04pm

re: #133 Salamantis

Nate "Tiny" Archibald

I think he's still the only player that ever lead the league in both points and assists in the same year.

I had the pleasure of seeing both him and Pistol Pete while they were Celtics

182 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:10:36pm

re: #170 ArmyWife

that, too. Instead of ugly expensive tennis shoes, why doesn't she get some braces and fix her bite? It would help a lot. I am a firm believer that technology to make you look better exists for a reason - don't go too far, but take advantage of what is out there!

A few radiant smiles would go far to ameliorate the bite problem. The ugly I see just goes far beyond the physical.

183 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:10:36pm

Whew, I need a nap, stat. bbl

184 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:11:50pm

re: #183 Gus 802

Whew, I need a nap, stat. bbl

On your feet soldier.
*Sarah Conner*

185 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:12:04pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

It could be.
But I have to tell you - I struggle with the "death penalty".
Daughter asked me one day, if I am so "pro-life", would I be able to vote for the death penalty for a criminal if I were on the jury?

I had to answer "no", I could not do it.

I couldn't do it either, reine. What part of "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord" do they not get?

186 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:12:30pm

All I can say is that if I ever saw a woman looking at me the way Michelle is looking at Mrs. Sarkozy, I'd run like a scalded bunny.

187 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:12:36pm

re: #136 Steffan

Heh and a half.

Check out this picture at the Jawa Report.

"If looks could kill...."

Somehow, I get the impression that Michelle would make a dandy dominatrix...

188 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:12:38pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

Nate "Tiny" Archibald

I think he's still the only player that ever lead the league in both points and assists in the same year.

I had the pleasure of seeing both him and Pistol Pete while they were Celtics

Earl the Pearl Monroe was a pleasure to watch also

189 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:12:46pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

Nate "Tiny" Archibald

I think he's still the only player that ever lead the league in both points and assists in the same year.

I had the pleasure of seeing both him and Pistol Pete while they were Celtics


Tiny was great ... and by the time he got to Boston he was even past his prime, but he led them to the title in 1981. Did you read the book about Pistol? A great story.

190 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:13:22pm

re: #169 avanti

It's just sad that some look so hard for something to reinforce their opinions, The left did the same with unfaltering pictures of Laura and just as bad this time around.

Oh,, bullfeathers. Mrs. Bush is a sweet lady. Even when she isnot smiling, she haa a smile-friendly face. Mrs. Obama has a scowl-friendly face even when she smiles.

191 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:13:27pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

re: #172 Salamantis

Not even for Bin Laden or Zawahiri or Bundy or Dahmer or Gacy or Chikatilo or McVeigh?

Some peoples' crimes are so heinous, IMO, that nothing less than the death penalty will suffice.

Rein,,,, I have to agree with Sal. Some people are so heinous when it is as incontrovertible as the ones Sal mentioned, I as a Roman Catholic would VOLUNTEER to inject the dose, flip the switch or even pull the trigger

192 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:13:44pm

Sorry - my keys are sticking, dang it.

193 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:13:56pm

re: #188 Nevergiveup

Earl the Pearl Monroe was a pleasure to watch also


Pearl was way ahead of his time ...

194 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:14:16pm

re: #157 reine.de.tout

It could be.
But I have to tell you - I struggle with the "death penalty".
Daughter asked me one day, if I am so "pro-life", would I be able to vote for the death penalty for a criminal if I were on the jury?

I had to answer "no", I could not do it.

My thoughts on death penalty have been evolving over the years. I'm at the point that when asked my position by liberal friends I say "I'm willing to trade, how about you?".

195 avanti  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:14:25pm

re: #178 pink freud

Come on avanti ....one doesn't have to look far. We've seen this nastiness from her since she hit the spotlight. It's part of who she is. It's also a bit beyond 'unflattering'.

I have not seen much nastiness as first lady. She is now the most popular one in recent history, even decent numbers with Republicans unlike the POTUS. Whatever stuff laid on her during the campaign has been overcome by most of the public. I just don't get the lingering dislike.
It's not worth fighting about though, she's just a mother and wife, but I was trying to understand the posts.

196 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:14:42pm

re: #130 Catttt

I'm not a big basketball fan - whenever I hear "Kobe" I think of an old saying that includes the words "pecker" and "pants." Tsk tsk tsk. Then I think of Japan.

You got a Kobe beef? :)

197 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:15:20pm

re: #193 _RememberTonyC

Pearl was way ahead of his time ...

As was George Gervin

Gervin was Jordan before Jordan was Jordan

198 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:15:53pm

re: #195 avanti

I have not seen much nastiness as first lady. She is now the most popular one in recent history, even decent numbers with Republicans unlike the POTUS. Whatever stuff laid on her during the campaign has been overcome by most of the public. I just don't get the lingering dislike.
It's not worth fighting about though, she's just a mother and wife, but I was trying to understand the posts.

She is a foul person, that is clear to see. She is also the First Lady of the United States of America, not just a wife and a mother. I think even she would agree with me there.

199 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:15:58pm

Can we talk about boxing if we have to talk sports? /yawns

200 NelsFree  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:16:00pm

re: #139 realwest

Um, well to begin with, have y'all ever heard of the Crusades? The commandments are more for lip service for most folks than to be followed, I'm afraid.

Let's beat this canard with the straw man you just posted, shall we? The Crusades were a defensive action to retake the Christian Holy Places occupied by Muslims since 100 years after Mo's death. Muslims were harassing Christians and preventing them from completing Pilgrimages. Warfare was necessary to allow free access for Christians and Jews. The Crusades were initially successful. Ultimately, Sal-ad-din managed to unify enough Muslim factions to throw the Crusaders out. Jerusalem remained under Muslim control until Israeli forces occupied it in 1967.
IN SHORT, the Muslims started it, Christians responded, and the Jews got it back.
Now, as far as acting righteously: Islam offers Christians three choices; convert to Islam, live as a second-class citizen (dimmi), or die. I'm not going to turn the other cheek to a scimitar, I'm going to blow him away with a .45, or other. (Charles, hypothetical here, not advocating violence)

201 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:16:17pm

re: #185 ShanghaiEd

I couldn't do it either, reine. What part of "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord" do they not get?

The part where they're supposed to remember that they're not the Lord.

202 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:16:27pm

re: #197 sattv4u2

As was George Gervin

Gervin was Jordan before Jordan was Jordan

Ice!

Kevin Durant really reminds me of the IceMan

203 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:16:52pm

re: #188 Nevergiveup

I suppose it's not giving up too much info. to mention that my wife teaches at The Pearls alma mater. They don't even have the gym named after him. I was pissed.

204 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:16:59pm

re: #199 Catttt

Can we talk about boxing if we have to talk sports? /yawns

maybe a fight will break out in the basketball game :)

205 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:17:02pm

re: #195 avanti

I have not seen much nastiness as first lady. She is now the most popular one in recent history, even decent numbers with Republicans unlike the POTUS. Whatever stuff laid on her during the campaign has been overcome by most of the public. I just don't get the lingering dislike.
It's not worth fighting about though, she's just a mother and wife, but I was trying to understand the posts.

She was nasty well before the election, I suspect her whole life.
Frosting on a turd does not make a cupcake.

206 itellu3times  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:17:16pm

Lakerz ... Orlando still playing dumb.

Go Lakers!

207 pink freud  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:17:18pm

re: #199 Catttt

Can we talk about boxing if we have to talk sports? /yawns

Silk versus cotton?

208 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:17:33pm

re: #204 _RememberTonyC

maybe a fight will break out in the basketball game :)

Not the same. They don't toe the line. :D

209 Neutral President  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:17:44pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Bernake slammed the administration and congress last week.

Pot... Kettle... Black...

210 freetoken  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:18:31pm

Weather update: stormy day in the upper MO valley region. As of ... now... tornado passing to the north of Des Moines...

Other than that, not much news going on around the nation.

Wonder how many sermons today mentioned Tiller?

211 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:18:52pm

re: #208 Catttt

Not the same. They don't toe the line. :D

How far back do you go in your boxing knowledge?

212 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:18:58pm

re: #199 Catttt

Can we talk about boxing if we have to talk sports? /yawns

I'm looking forward to Vladimir Klitchko finally getting his chance to hang a loss on Ruslan Chagaev.

And I'm pining for a match between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

213 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:19:00pm

Laura Bush has more class in her pinky finger than either of the 2 present WH occupants have put together.

214 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:19:46pm

re: #213 irongrampa

Laura Bush has more class in her pinky finger than either of the 2 present WH occupants have put together.

Exactly.

215 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:20:03pm

re: #213 irongrampa

You're right about that.
You can't fake class, and the Obamas don't even try anymore.

216 avanti  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:20:24pm

re: #198 pink freud

She is a foul person, that is clear to see. She is also the First Lady of the United States of America, not just a wife and a mother. I think even she would agree with me there.

Fair enough, but apparently most of the country thinks she a damn good one and that's her job. Again, not worth getting down dinged over defending the first lady appearance.

217 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:22:24pm

re: #216 avanti

Fair enough, but apparently most of the country thinks she a damn good one and that's her job. Again, not worth getting down dinged over defending the first lady appearance.

Most of the country?
Love her if you like, But I can spot a bitter hate filled woman from 10 miles.

218 Neutral President  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:22:24pm

re: #213 irongrampa

Laura Bush has more class in her pinky finger than either of the 2 present WH occupants have put together.

The only reasons why she is not a contender for "most popular first lady in recent history" is that a) she wasnt an attention whore and b) she was married to chimpy mcbeelzebushitler and must therefore be despised, so sayeth the MSM.

219 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:23:36pm

Speaking of SPORTS


congrats to Roger Federer, French Open champ
conrats to Tony Stewart, winner of the NASCAR Pocono 500. Had to start the race at the tail end because he had to use a back-up car

220 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:24:13pm

re: #217 DEZes

Most of the country?
Love her if you like, But I can spot a bitter hate filled woman from 10 miles.


I'm not a fan of the WAB either .... she makes Hillary look ... um ... warm.

221 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:24:19pm

re: #217 DEZes

Most of the country?
Love her if you like, But I can spot a bitter hate filled woman from 10 miles.

I'll warn my wife to stay 11 miles away from you!

I'M KIDDING HONEY !

222 Desert Dog  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:24:24pm

re: #197 sattv4u2

As was George Gervin

Gervin was Jordan before Jordan was Jordan

Dr. J was IT before ANY of them!

223 NelsFree  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:24:37pm

re: #216 avanti

Fair enough, but apparently most of the country thinks she a damn good one and that's her job. Again, not worth getting down dinged over defending the first lady appearance.

No downdings, Chief. I'm just wondering why there are suddenly several broken objects in my office space...
/heh

224 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:26:12pm

re: #222 Desert Dog

Dr. J was IT before ANY of them!


re: #222 Desert Dog

Dr. J was IT before ANY of them!

I thought we were talking mostly guards here.

225 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:26:14pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

Federer is the best.
Kinda sucks because I grew up watching Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Navritalova, Evert, etc. and they've all been pretty much lapsed since Graf and Sampras and now Federer. Good for him, but not much fun to watch.

226 Opilio  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:26:35pm

re: #216 avanti

Fair enough, but apparently most of the country thinks she a damn good one and that's her job. Again, not worth getting down dinged over defending the first lady appearance.


A quick scan upthread reveals that you have received 1 upding and 0 downdings for your comments on this issue.

227 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:26:55pm

re: #220 _RememberTonyC

I'm not a fan of the WAB either .... she makes Hillary look ... um ... warm.

Maybe even feminine.

228 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:27:20pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

I'll warn my wife to stay 11 miles away from you!

I'M KIDDING HONEY !

I have telescopes. ;)

229 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:27:43pm

re: #225 Lincolntf

Federer is the best.
Kinda sucks because I grew up watching Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Navritalova, Evert, etc. and they've all been pretty much lapsed since Graf and Sampras and now Federer. Good for him, but not much fun to watch.

Yeah a nicer version of Borg

230 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:28:43pm

re: #227 DEZes

Maybe even feminine.


I gotta think about that one :)

231 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:29:17pm

In the too good to be true category.....

In Iran, disparate, powerful forces ally against Ahmadinejad

Reporting from Tehran -- Powerful reformists and conservatives within Iran's elite have joined forces to wage an unprecedented behind-the-scenes campaign to unseat President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, worried that he is driving the country to the brink of collapse with populist economic policies and a confrontational stance toward the West.

The prominent figures have put their considerable efforts behind the candidacy of reformist Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who they believe has the best chance of defeating the hard-line Ahmadinejad in the presidential election Friday and charting a new course for the country.

and later.....

Those involved in the effort say they have already outmaneuvered Ahmadinejad and his allies, including supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and gained the upper hand within Iranian institutions and among voters. Most analysts say that Khamenei, who has publicly stressed that he has only one vote in the election, is quietly supporting Ahmadinejad, though he is also concerned with public sentiment and trying to appear above the competition.

Several pro-Ahmadinejad lawmakers have discounted the effort against him, citing internal poll numbers they say show that the president will easily be reelected despite the powerful front arrayed against him.

In addition to protecting their own considerable financial and political interests, which include control of key segments of foreign trade, private education and agriculture, Ahmadinejad's behind-the-scenes opponents fear that a win by the incumbent will further isolate Iran internationally, weaken the middle class and give more power to the military and the Revolutionary Guard.

"We can't run Iran like North Korea," said Saeed Laylaz, a newspaper editor and analyst with contacts among the political elite. "A group of militarists cannot stuff this civilization into a can and put it away. Iran cannot make up for its lack of economic might with nuclear technology, missiles and proxy threats in Lebanon and Palestine and elsewhere."

232 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:29:38pm

re: #230 _RememberTonyC

I gotta think about that one :)

I know, its down right scary.

233 Shug  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:29:59pm

drive by.
my favorites are here tonight DESes, Satttv, tonyc, lincoln. etc

hope you are all well.

if you see realwest, please have sharmuta email him for my email adress

/back to lurking only

234 MacDuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:30:01pm

This guy is an unrepentant terrorist and should be treated as such, period. He and his ilk are waging war on America citizens and, since he has admitted that similar acts are planned, there is a "ticking time bomb" scenario to be considered.

Waterboarding American citizens? I'm not there yet, and may never be, due to the dangerous precedent and the enormous possibility of abuse.

No good choices here; just an assortment of bad ones.

235 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:30:10pm

re: #229 Nevergiveup

Yeah a nicer version of Borg


Bjorn was the original Borg

236 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:30:50pm

re: #231 Pianobuff

Don't make the mistake of thinking anyone elected in Iran is gonna be "moderate" in Western Terms.

237 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:30:57pm

re: #233 Shug

drive by.
my favorites are here tonight DESes, Satttv, tonyc, lincoln. etc

hope you are all well.

if you see realwest, please have sharmuta email him for my email adress

/back to lurking only

right back atcha Shug!

238 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:31:16pm

re: #233 Shug

Well thank you very much, Shug! I'm honored

239 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:31:25pm

re: #225 Lincolntf

Federer is the best.
Kinda sucks because I grew up watching Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Navritalova, Evert, etc. and they've all been pretty much lapsed since Graf and Sampras and now Federer. Good for him, but not much fun to watch.

When Pete was in his prime, I thought that there would never be a better tennis player; then Roger came along.

Federer has a good chance to surpass Samras' lifetime Grand Slam record in Wimbledon. Word is that Nadal is suffering severe knee problems.

And with his win in the French, Federer has now won every Grand Slam event at least once. Sampras never did that; he never won the French.

240 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:31:57pm

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Don't make the mistake of thinking anyone elected in Iran is gonna be "moderate" in Western Terms.

Would it be unreasonable to hope for "not as crappy"?

241 nyc redneck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:32:03pm

re: #182 pink freud

A few radiant smiles would go far to ameliorate the bite problem. The ugly I see just goes far beyond the physical.

she has a harsh look. her face is never relaxed. deep frowns, no smiles.
that comes from w/in. it is who she is. there is a lot of bitterness in that
woman. the way she looked at the delicate beauty, carla bruni, was sinister.

242 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:32:51pm

re: #240 Pianobuff

Would it be unreasonable to hope for "not as crappy"?

Nope fine, I am just saying, ain't like there gonna open an Embassy in Tel Aviv any time soon.

243 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:32:54pm

re: #232 DEZes

I know, its down right scary.


truly .... but could you imagine Michelle with Hillary's voice? Too horrible to contemplate!

244 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:33:30pm

re: #239 Salamantis

When Pete was in his prime, I thought that there would never be a better tennis player; then Roger came along.

Federer has a good chance to surpass Samras' lifetime Grand Slam record in Wimbledon. Word is that Nadal is suffering severe knee problems.

And with his win in the French, Federer has now won every Grand Slam event at least once. Sampras never did that; he never won the French.

Nadal has really gotten into Rogers head though!

I hope that it's not true re: Rafas knee because for the next several years we'll be treated to great Grand Slam finals

245 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:33:35pm

re: #242 Nevergiveup

Nope fine, I am just saying, ain't like there gonna open an Embassy in Tel Aviv any time soon.

Agreed on that.

246 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:33:45pm

re: #233 Shug

drive by.
my favorites are here tonight DESes, Satttv, tonyc, lincoln. etc

hope you are all well.

if you see realwest, please have sharmuta email him for my email adress

/back to lurking only

Did you mean me?
If so its the best compliment I have had in a long time.
And I thank you.

247 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:34:28pm

I have no idea how/ why that posted twice!

248 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:34:29pm

re: #243 _RememberTonyC

truly .... but could you imagine Michelle with Hillary's voice? Too horrible to contemplate!

And in a G-string....

249 Shug  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:34:46pm

re: #238 sattv4u2

Well thank you very much, Shug! I'm honored

I am persona non grata lately given my feelings towards the former practitioner in wichita.

anyway, have sharmuta email realwest to get my email. I would hate to lose contact with her completely before I disappear.

g'nite and God Bless

250 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:35:15pm

re: #248 DEZes

And in a G-string....


i just puked in my mouth ... yuk :P

251 Shug  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:35:50pm

re: #246 DEZes

Did you mean me?
If so its the best compliment I have had in a long time.
And I thank you.


you are my absolute faveorite lizard after sharm and Realwest

252 avanti  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:35:50pm

re: #226 Opilio

A quick scan upthread reveals that you have received 1 upding and 0 downdings for your comments on this issue.

OK, then I'll risk posting the article discussing this very issue of changing opinions of the first lady. (yes, I know, it's the post)

253 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:35:51pm

re: #250 _RememberTonyC

i just puked in my mouth ... yuk :P

don't care, as long as you don't puke in MY mouth!

254 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:35:57pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

Yeah, I totally omitted Nadal.
Barring this injury being a long term thing, he's my hope for the post-Federer era. If we can get two Nadals on the court at the same time tennis will be exciting again. If the other one happens to be American, tennis will explode.

255 MacDuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:36:03pm

re: #217 DEZes

Most of the country?
Love her if you like, But I can spot a bitter hate filled woman from 10 miles.

I have to say that she got more than her share of the bitch gene and, as you said it's noticable from great distances.

256 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:36:12pm

re: #250 _RememberTonyC

i just puked in my mouth ... yuk :P

Sorry, I deserve a very good Whack for the image.

257 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:36:22pm

re: #249 Shug

I am persona non grata lately given my feelings towards the former practitioner in wichita.

anyway, have sharmuta email realwest to get my email. I would hate to lose contact with her completely before I disappear.

g'nite and God Bless


be well, Shug.

258 avanti  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:36:52pm

re: #252 avanti

OK, then I'll risk posting the article discussing this very issue of changing opinions of the first lady. (yes, I know, it's the post)

OOPs the

link...

259 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:37:04pm

wow ,, 30 points TOTAL in the 1st quarter!

260 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:37:11pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

don't care, as long as you don't puke in MY mouth!


I promise to never EVER puke in your mouth

261 Shug  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:37:14pm

re: #257 _RememberTonyC

be well, Shug.

and you my friend

262 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:37:40pm

re: #251 Shug

you are my absolute faveorite lizard after sharm and Realwest

Thats one hell of a compliment.
Why are you gonna completely disappear?

263 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:37:49pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

wow ,, 30 points TOTAL in the 1st quarter!

no flow at all .... ugly to watch

264 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:38:15pm

re: #261 Shug

and you my friend


thanks Shug

265 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:39:32pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

That is what my ol' Coach would call an "abortion" of a quarter, but I don't think I should use that word in here lest I'm misunderstood.
Seriously, the game sucks so far.

266 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:39:35pm

re: #251 Shug

you are my absolute faveorite lizard after sharm and Realwest


I think I pissed off RealWest this morning .... but I didn't mean to do it.

267 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:40:39pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

Nadal has really gotten into Rogers head though!

I hope that it's not true re: Rafas knee because for the next several years we'll be treated to great Grand Slam finals

Roger got back into Rafa's head, though, by beating him in the finals of the Madrid clauy court tournament just prior to the French.

I wonder if thinking about that loss could have been partially responsible for Rafa's seeming lack of focus in his losing match with Soderling...

268 nyc redneck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:41:24pm

re: #195 avanti

I have not seen much nastiness as first lady. She is now the most popular one in recent history, even decent numbers with Republicans unlike the POTUS. Whatever stuff laid on her during the campaign has been overcome by most of the public. I just don't get the lingering dislike.
It's not worth fighting about though, she's just a mother and wife, but I was trying to understand the posts.

no you weren't. i already explained this to you earlier. wab has a very disagreeable angry edge to her personality. she is still an ethnic/racial grievance monger. full of bitterness at america. honed in the hate church by rev. wrong for over 20 yrs.
as a mother how could she lovingly baptize her children in that "church"?
just recently when she was discussing the nomination of sotomayor,
she played the grievance card by comparing the nominee's struggle to her own.
that is pure b.s. both of these women had all the opportunities in the world given to them by the country they now malign.
wab still carries that chip on her shoulder proudly. you can see it in her face.

269 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:42:04pm

re: #266 _RememberTonyC

I think I pissed off RealWest this morning .... but I didn't mean to do it.

hell ,, I've pissed him off on a weekly basis since I've been here. As long as you're honest, open and respectful, don't worry. He's a good debater and knowledgable about many things, but non of us are infallable

270 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:42:05pm

re: #263 _RememberTonyC

no flow at all .... ugly to watch

The Indy air show is over cause awhile ago at tip off a bunch of bad ass jets just flew home..They shook the house and loud as hell..
Scary shit...I count my lucky stars they don't carry laser guided bombs and are Laker Fans
* Salutes the best Pilots in the world*

271 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:42:14pm

re: #266 _RememberTonyC

I think I pissed off RealWest this morning .... but I didn't mean to do it.

Realwest is a great lizard, as are you.
He will not stay pissed for long I think.

272 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:43:07pm

re: #267 Salamantis

Since we're talking about tennis (and tangentially the psychology of the players), can I recommend a book that you all may have already read? Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace. Take the whole summer to read it if you haven't done so already.

273 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:43:30pm

re: #268 nyc redneck

no you weren't. i already explained this to you earlier. wab has a very disagreeable angry edge to her personality. she is still an ethnic/racial grievance monger. full of bitterness at america. honed in the hate church by rev. wrong for over 20 yrs.
as a mother how could she lovingly baptize her children in that "church"?
just recently when she was discussing the nomination of sotomayor,
she played the grievance card by comparing the nominee's struggle to her own.
that is pure b.s. both of these women had all the opportunities in the world given to them by the country they now malign.
wab still carries that chip on her shoulder proudly. you can see it in her face.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

274 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:43:47pm

re: #271 DEZes

Realwest is a great lizard, as are you.
He will not stay pissed for long I think.

Thanks DEZes ... same to you.

275 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:43:55pm

re: #254 Lincolntf

Yeah, I totally omitted Nadal.
Barring this injury being a long term thing, he's my hope for the post-Federer era. If we can get two Nadals on the court at the same time tennis will be exciting again. If the other one happens to be American, tennis will explode.

After Roddick, the US has no serious male players as far as Grand Slam winners are concerned; after the Williams sisters, the same is true on the womens' side.

US professional tennis is at the lowest ebb it's been in in a long long time.

276 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:44:29pm

re: #269 sattv4u2

hell ,, I've pissed him off on a weekly basis since I've been here. As long as you're honest, open and respectful, don't worry. He's a good debater and knowledgable about many things, but non of us are infallable

that's cool ..... thanks for the good vibe!

277 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:45:49pm

re: #275 Salamantis

I hear ya'. Roddick was our best shot and he hasn't been all he was cracked up to be. Great player, but no match for the best in the world.

278 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:46:38pm

re: #267 Salamantis

re: #272 Lincolntf

Since we're talking about tennis (and tangentially the psychology of the players), can I recommend a book that you all may have already read? Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace. Take the whole summer to read it if you haven't done so already.


SAL ,,, I think Lincoln just called you a SLOW READ !

279 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:46:48pm

re: #270 HoosierHoops

The Indy air show is over cause awhile ago at tip off a bunch of bad ass jets just flew home..They shook the house and loud as hell..
Scary shit...I count my lucky stars they don't carry laser guided bombs and are Laker Fans
* Salutes the best Pilots in the world*


Larry Bird is in Indiana .... Lakers fans better just stay the "F" outta there.

280 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:47:50pm

Okay, Shug is not answering, anyone know why he said he was gonna disappear?

281 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:48:24pm

re: #278 sattv4u2

re: #272 Lincolntf


SAL ,,, I think Lincoln just called you a SLOW READ !

Not really; it's 1,079 pages long!

282 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:48:30pm

re: #278 sattv4u2

Not at all. I'm sure she's swift as a swallow.
It's a single spaced tome that no sane person could read in less than a month. Footnotes alone are a week's worth of nighttime reading, I kid you not.

283 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:49:07pm

re: #280 DEZes


he said he feels somewhat shunned because of some feelings he expressed about the abortion doctor.

284 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:49:37pm

re: #280 DEZes

Okay, Shug is not answering, anyone know why he said he was gonna disappear?

there was a post intimating something about Tillers death.

285 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:50:00pm

re: #281 Salamantis

re: #282 Lincolntf

I was //////// ing

286 revobob  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:50:33pm

re: #279 _RememberTonyC

Larry Bird is in Indiana .... Lakers fans better just stay the "F" outta there.

No. 1 son is moving his family to Indianapolis in two weeks (from SoCal). I wish I could get out of this Kalifornia too, but we'll all still be cheering for the Lakers!

287 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:50:44pm

re: #282 Lincolntf

Not at all. I'm sure she's swift as a swallow.
It's a single spaced tome that no sane person could read in less than a month. Footnotes alone are a week's worth of nighttime reading, I kid you not.

BTW, Lincoln; I'm a HE.

288 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:52:19pm

re: #286 revobob

No. 1 son is moving his family to Indianapolis in two weeks (from SoCal). I wish I could get out of this Kalifornia too, but we'll all still be cheering for the Lakers!


sports allegiances are lifetime relationships that cannot be harmed by geographical separation.

289 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:53:22pm

re: #287 Salamantis

BTW, Lincoln; I'm a HE.

either that, or as a woman you really need an upper lip wax job

290 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:53:22pm

re: #287 Salamantis

Hahahhaha. I thought about that the minute I stopped typing. I saw "Sal" and totally decided you were a chick. My bad.

291 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:53:27pm

re: #233 Shug

You won't come out to play?

292 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:54:03pm

re: #283 _RememberTonyC

re: #284 sattv4u2

I see, Shug has always been fair that I have seen, If he posted something out of line, I see it as no big deal.
He has posted thousands of truths.
I wont toss him aside for 1 bad post, he still has an account, so Charles didnt toss him out.
Think about that Shug.

293 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:54:32pm

re: #288 _RememberTonyC

sports allegiances are lifetime relationships that cannot be harmed by geographical separation.

I know..I will always be a Golden State fan..The 1975 world Championship will always be the highlight of my life for sports

294 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:55:33pm

re: #288 _RememberTonyC

sports allegiances are lifetime relationships that cannot be harmed by geographical separation.

Amen. I've been living an hour outside of Atlanta for 11 years now.,.

by my front door we have against the wall a Celtics, Bruins, Patriotas and Red Sox paraphanalia (license plates, banner, flag , and for the Red Sox a plaque in the shape of Home Plate with the Sox logo on it

295 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:56:26pm

re: #293 HoosierHoops

I know..I will always be a Golden State fan..The 1975 world Championship will always be the highlight of my life for sports


Rick Barry ... Clifford Ray ... Keith (before he was Jamaal) Wilkes ... Al Attles ... Charles Dudley ... George Johnson ... (who am I forgetting?)

296 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:56:30pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

I always thought you were still up in MA.

297 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:56:41pm

re: #292 DEZes

re: #284 sattv4u2

I see, Shug has always been fair that I have seen, If he posted something out of line, I see it as no big deal.
He has posted thousands of truths.
I wont toss him aside for 1 bad post, he still has an account, so Charles didnt toss him out.
Think about that Shug.

YES SHUG,, DITTO what DEZ said

Reasonable people can have reasonable debates and/ or disagreements

298 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:56:50pm

I sincerely hope that Tiger Woods quickly returns to championship form after his knee surgery. His lifetime Grand Slam competition with Roger Federer (they are good friends) is one of the greatest intersports rivalries in professional sports history.

299 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:57:19pm

re: #296 Lincolntf

I always thought you were still up in MA.

nope ,, moved 11 years ago, although I still have family (and property) there. I'll be going 'home" in July for a week or so

300 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:57:35pm

re: #298 Salamantis

I sincerely hope that Tiger Woods quickly returns to championship form after his knee surgery. His lifetime Grand Slam competition with Roger Federer (they are good friends) is one of the greatest intersports rivalries in professional sports history.

He won today

301 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:58:04pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

Amen. I've been living an hour outside of Atlanta for 11 years now.,.

by my front door we have against the wall a Celtics, Bruins, Patriotas and Red Sox paraphanalia (license plates, banner, flag , and for the Red Sox a plaque in the shape of Home Plate with the Sox logo on it


I love it! Atlanta is a shitty sports town so maybe you can teach those folks what it's like to be a real fan!

302 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:58:28pm

re: #298 Salamantis

re: #300 sattv4u2

He won today

ooopss ,, at The Memorial

303 revobob  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:58:34pm

re: #288 _RememberTonyC

sports allegiances are lifetime relationships that cannot be harmed by geographical separation.

Have to agree with that- I was raised in Milwaukee, and my first and strongest loyalty is still to the Packers. (Though G-d knows they've made it hard!)

304 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:59:18pm

I have a whole lotta 6's in my Karma, and Monday is coming......

305 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:59:19pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

Good to know. Funny how many conservatives end up outside of MA.
I'll be up there in late July myself (the Cape). Nobody ever really leaves New England, it seems.

306 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:59:23pm

re: #300 sattv4u2

He won today

Good! That's a damn good sign, as far as the approaching US Open is concerned.

307 doppelganglander  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:59:28pm

Forgive me for being late and on topic. Either Roeder is helping federal prosecutors build a slam-dunk RICO case, or these plots exist only in his head. Operation Rescue probably hopes fervently that the feds believe the latter.

308 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:59:52pm

re: #292 DEZes

re: #284 sattv4u2

I see, Shug has always been fair that I have seen, If he posted something out of line, I see it as no big deal.
He has posted thousands of truths.
I wont toss him aside for 1 bad post, he still has an account, so Charles didnt toss him out.
Think about that Shug.


you can disagree with friends but still be friendly.

309 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:00:02pm

re: #21 HelloDare

Take his bible away. He's not using it anyway.

Put it in a toilet.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Interesting question but I think not. He's in the hands of law enforcement, an American citizen and arrested in the US. If he was captured overseas by the CIA things might be different but I don't think he's a candidate.

Morally I see no difference between an American ticking time bomb and one from Buttholistan. If we thought the American knew about WMDs or dirty bombs would the law tie our hands?

310 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:00:34pm

re: #295 _RememberTonyC

Rick Barry ... Clifford Ray ... Keith (before he was Jamaal) Wilkes ... Al Attles ... Charles Dudley ... George Johnson ... (who am I forgetting?)

I remember Rick Barry was the MVP... Ray banged the inside and made Unsel worthless...Ahhhh..Memories!

311 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:00:46pm

re: #306 Salamantis

Good! That's a damn good sign, as far as the approaching US Open is concerned.

Typical Tiger. Started the day 4 shots off the pace, did a 7 UNDER for the day with some stone cold putts

312 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:01:33pm

re: #305 Lincolntf

Good to know. Funny how many conservatives end up outside of MA.
I'll be up there in late July myself (the Cape). Nobody ever really leaves New England, it seems.


I got out in 1982 but still have lots of family there. Connecticut has Mass beaten by a mile!

313 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:01:54pm

re: #308 _RememberTonyC

you can disagree with friends but still be friendly.

Absolutly, I dont expect a hive mind with friends.
Get in here Shug and take a group hug.

314 hazzyday  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:02:40pm

re: #7 ArmyWife

Didn't his wife say he suffered from a mental illness? It doesn't excuse what happened, but might offer hope that this guy is only aware of plots that happen in his head.

Well it certainly does remind me of mental illness. And that could lead to that type of obsession.

315 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:02:57pm

re: #249 Shug

I am persona non grata lately given my feelings towards the former practitioner in wichita.

anyway, have sharmuta email realwest to get my email. I would hate to lose contact with her completely before I disappear.

g'nite and God Bless

I hope you reconsider in time, Shug. You are way up there in my book.

316 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:03:22pm

re: #313 DEZes

Absolutly, I dont expect a hive mind with friends.
Get in here Shug and take a group hug.

Shug is good people!

317 revobob  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:03:27pm

re: #311 sattv4u2

Typical Tiger. Started the day 4 shots off the pace, did a 7 UNDER for the day with some stone cold putts


I didn't watch today, but yesterday he had a LOT of poor putts. To me he is in the small, special group of athletes in any sport who can muster the mental discipline to correct a deficiency while the tournament is on instead of letting ot beat him.

318 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:03:36pm

re: #310 HoosierHoops

I remember Rick Barry was the MVP... Ray banged the inside and made Unsel worthless...Ahhhh..Memories!

Al Attles, who coached GS in 1975 was one of the toughest hombres ever to play in the NBA. But those leisure suits he wore in 1975 were just brutal.

319 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:04:25pm

re: #318 _RememberTonyC

Al Attles, who coached GS in 1975 was one of the toughest hombres ever to play in the NBA. But those leisure suits he wore in 1975 were just brutal.

Jim Luscotof ,,, PERIOD

320 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:04:33pm

re: #316 HoosierHoops

Shug is good people!

Yup, and has a damn fine sense of humor.

321 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:04:43pm

re: #317 revobob

I didn't watch today, but yesterday he had a LOT of poor putts. To me he is in the small, special group of athletes in any sport who can muster the mental discipline to correct a deficiency while the tournament is on instead of letting ot beat him.

He shares that capacity with Roger Federer, another competitor who can tweak his game plan mid-match.

322 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:04:43pm

re: #304 DEZes

I have a whole lotta 6's in my Karma, and Monday is coming......

Hah! I gave you a seven!

323 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:06:13pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

Jim Luscotof ,,, PERIOD


jeezus ... you ARE old :) ........ I went to my first Celtics game in 1966 .... how about you?

324 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:06:39pm

re: #322 Floral Giraffe

Hah! I gave you a seven!

It was 6666, thanks, now its only three 6's.
Please keep the holy water away.

325 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:07:38pm

re: #324 DEZes

It was 6666, thanks, now its only three 6's.
Please keep the holy water away.


we gotta get you to 6700 so you won't be cursed ... keep posting

326 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:07:42pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

Jim Luscotof ,,, PERIOD

and yes, I'm old enough to have sen him ,,, you have a problem with that!?!?!?

327 Gbear  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:07:42pm

Abortion is the epitome of Darwinism.

328 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:08:09pm

re: #318 _RememberTonyC

Al Attles, who coached GS in 1975 was one of the toughest hombres ever to play in the NBA. But those leisure suits he wore in 1975 were just brutal.

I remember when I had season tickets when we drafted Joe Barry Carrol..
I was brutal to him...
I remember screaming at him whie he was taking his jog back on defense..Hey Joe! Try running sometime tonight!
Hey didn't last long in the league...We gave up the Chief for him..Jeez!

329 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:08:26pm

re: #326 sattv4u2

and yes, I'm old enough to have sen him ,,, you have a problem with that!?!?!?


um ... no sir .... can I call you sir, sir?

330 DEZes  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:08:48pm

re: #325 _RememberTonyC

we gotta get you to 6700 so you won't be cursed ... keep posting

Its safe now I think, thanks my friends.

331 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:08:48pm

re: #323 _RememberTonyC

jeezus ... you ARE old :) ........ I went to my first Celtics game in 1966 .... how about you?

19(mumble mumble mumble) ! STFU !

//

332 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:08:57pm

re: #328 HoosierHoops

I remember when I had season tickets when we drafted Joe Barry Carrol..
I was brutal to him...
I remember screaming at him whie he was taking his jog back on defense..Hey Joe! Try running sometime tonight!
Hey didn't last long in the league...We gave up the Chief for him..Jeez!


I used to call him "Joe Barely Cares."

333 revobob  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:10:17pm

re: #321 Salamantis

He shares that capacity with Roger Federer, another competitor who can tweak his game plan mid-match.

My personal favorite was Kenny Roberts, the motorcycle racer. Man had the ability to visualize and analyze a race track, then go out and implement the line, apex, braking, etc. changes he had figured out, and go faster. After soaking off a body cast for a couple of fractured vertebrae.

334 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:10:42pm

re: #327 Gbear

Abortion is the epitome of Darwinism.

You waited till about 250 posts AFTER we were talking about Roeder to hit us with that pearl of wisdom?

335 nyc redneck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:10:56pm

re: #233 Shug

sorry i missed your post on your feelings abt. the abortion dr.
what are they? i would like to know.

336 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:11:07pm

re: #331 sattv4u2

19(mumble mumble mumble) ! STFU !

//


do you know why it says "Loscy" in the Garden rafters on the retired numbers banner?

337 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:12:26pm

re: #336 _RememberTonyC

do you know why it says "Loscy" in the Garden rafters on the retired numbers banner?

Did you see the newest Koke-James Nike ad on TV a minute ago...
I love it! funnier than hell

338 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:13:21pm

re: #327 Gbear

Abortion is the epitome of Darwinism.

I know that's just a talking point and you really aren't up to speed on what the theory of evolution through natural selection even is. But I'm curious as to how you think that statement might be even remotely correct.

339 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:13:26pm

re: #336 _RememberTonyC

The guy who didn't want his number retired? Named Loscikoff? Heard this once.

340 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:13:29pm

re: #336 _RememberTonyC

do you know why it says "Loscy" in the Garden rafters on the retired numbers banner?

He asked that his # not be retired so someone in the future could wear it. Ironically that number ended up being retired anyway

#18 ,, Dave Cowans

341 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:13:30pm

re: #337 HoosierHoops

Did you see the newest Koke-James Nike ad on TV a minute ago...
I love it! funnier than hell


those are hilarious ... but Nike was betting the ranch on Cleveland/LA with that ad campaign ...

342 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:13:50pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

He asked that his # not be retired so someone in the future could wear it. Ironically that number ended up being retired anyway

#18 ,, Dave Cowans


YOU ARE GOOD!

343 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:14:13pm

re: #339 Lincolntf

The guy who didn't want his number retired? Named Loscikoff? Heard this once.


YOU ARE ALSO GOOD

344 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:14:16pm

Cowens

345 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:15:08pm

re: #344 Lincolntf

Cowens

I really have to take a typing class!

346 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:16:18pm

re: #343 _RememberTonyC

YOU ARE ALSO GOOD

They all read the Globe's Sports section every day...:)

347 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:16:57pm

re: #327 Gbear

Abortion is the epitome of Darwinism.

Nope. Enforcing Darwininism would entail that all pregnancies be forced to be bourne to term, so that environmental selection could operate on them. Eugenics would mandate that abortion and selective breeding be dictated by the 'intelligent design' of whoever's in power. In that sience, China's one-child policy with abortions mandated for subsequent pregnancies is not eugenics, because it is a blanket requirement, with no choices being made, as far as the requirtement is concerned, between the physical or intellectual attributes of the progenitors. The same could be said concerning a blanket ban on all abortions. But both a blanket requirement to abort and a blanket prohibition upon it are totalitarian, in that they are state usurpations of individual freedoms. Elective abortion is nothing more or less than individual women being granted the freedom of choice over what happens with and within their own bodies.

348 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:17:16pm

re: #345 sattv4u2

I really have to take a typing class!

Cowens was craaaaaaaaazy. I loved him. Remember when he quit the team to drive a cab after Red traded Paul Silas?

349 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:17:41pm

re: #346 HoosierHoops

They all read the Globe's Sports section every day...:)


the only part of that newspaper worth a shit

350 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:19:53pm

re: #348 _RememberTonyC

Cowens was craaaaaaaaazy. I loved him. Remember when he quit the team to drive a cab after Red traded Paul Silas?

hehe. I remember him owning Jabaar, even though Kareem had what, 16 inches on him? People don't realize how tall Cowens was NOT (for an NBA center)

They listed him as 6' 9", I doubt he was. 6'8" is more likely

351 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:24:43pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

hehe. I remember him owning Jabaar, even though Kareem had what, 16 inches on him? People don't realize how tall Cowens was NOT (for an NBA center)

They listed him as 6' 9", I doubt he was. 6'8" is more likely

6' 8" and 230 lbs .... ran up and down the court until Kareem was gassed ... toughest competitor this side of Michael Jordan.

352 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:25:40pm

re: #351 _RememberTonyC

6' 8" and 230 lbs .... ran up and down the court until Kareem was gassed ... toughest competitor this side of Michael Jordan.

Charles Barkley was quite a fierce competitor, too...

353 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:28:29pm

re: #352 Salamantis

Charles Barkley was quite a fierce competitor, too...


Chuck was fiery .... but never got a ring. But as a broadcaster, he is really entertaining. And he is a really good guy. I have a picture of myself with him that was taken at the 1992 Olympics.

354 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:28:31pm

re: #352 Salamantis

Charles Barkley was quite a fierce competitor, too...

True, but barkley wasn't playing centre, and he usually didn't defend the best forward on the other team.

BUT ,, for his height (notice I didn't say sisze) he was an amazing rebounder

the Round Mound Of Rebound

355 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:28:53pm

re: #172 Salamantis

Not even for Bin Laden or Zawahiri or Bundy or Dahmer or Gacy or Chikatilo or McVeigh?

Some peoples' crimes are so heinous, IMO, that nothing less than the death penalty will suffice.

I agree there are some crimes so heinous, the death penalty would seem warranted.

However, the question put to me was, if I were on a jury, would I be able to vote for the death penalty?

And after some difficult reflection, I decided that honestly, no, I could not in good conscience do it.

356 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:29:12pm

re: #352 Salamantis

Charles Barkley was quite a fierce competitor, too...

In fact, the last few decades have been a Golden Age of basketball. Julius Erving, Charles Barkley, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Dominique Wilkins, LeBron James...

The baskeball sky has been filled with shining stars.

357 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:31:01pm

re: #354 sattv4u2

True, but barkley wasn't playing centre, and he usually didn't defend the best forward on the other team.

BUT ,, for his height (notice I didn't say sisze) he was an amazing rebounder

the Round Mound Of Rebound


Chuck was listed at 6' 6" but I know for a fact he was about 6' 4" because I stood nearly eye to eye with him and I'm just 6' 2". Just an amazing athlete!

358 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:31:40pm

re: #354 sattv4u2

True, but barkley wasn't playing centre, and he usually didn't defend the best forward on the other team.

BUT ,, for his height (notice I didn't say sisze) he was an amazing rebounder

the Round Mound Of Rebound

He occupied space...A big guy that could kick your ass in the paint

359 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:32:21pm

re: #356 Salamantis

In fact, the last few decades have been a Golden Age of basketball. Julius Erving, Charles Barkley, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Dominique Wilkins, LeBron James...

The baskeball sky has been filled with shining stars.


I'm really glad a lot of Lizards are hoop fans. Thanks to all of you!

360 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:32:31pm

re: #352 Salamantis

Look at the centers that Cowens had to play on a NIGHTLY basis

Jabbar, Moses Malone, Willis Reed, Artis Gilmore, Bob McAdoo, Walt bellamy, just to name a few

361 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:34:01pm

re: #360 sattv4u2

Look at the centers that Cowens had to play on a NIGHTLY basis

Jabbar, Moses Malone, Willis Reed, Artis Gilmore, Bob McAdoo, Walt bellamy, just to name a few


He even had to play against Wilt for 2-3 seasons.

362 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:35:00pm

re: #359 _RememberTonyC

I'm really glad a lot of Lizards are hoop fans. Thanks to all of you!

scarey thing, I can talk about baseball, football or hockey with just as much ease

No WONDER my teachers and parents worried about my "future"

363 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:35:14pm

re: #361 _RememberTonyC

He even had to play against Wilt for 2-3 seasons.

yup

364 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:35:45pm

re: #362 sattv4u2

scarey thing, I can talk about baseball, football or hockey with just as much ease

No WONDER my teachers and parents worried about my "future"

and throw in tennis soccer and a coupl;e of minor sports as well

365 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:36:05pm

re: #362 sattv4u2

scarey thing, I can talk about baseball, football or hockey with just as much ease

No WONDER my teachers and parents worried about my "future"

Bostonians can be that way!

366 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:36:09pm

re: #355 reine.de.tout

I agree there are some crimes so heinous, the death penalty would seem warranted.

However, the question put to me was, if I were on a jury, would I be able to vote for the death penalty?

And after some difficult reflection, I decided that honestly, no, I could not in good conscience do it.

In that case, if a criminal case comes down the pike in which a mass murdering terrorist or a vicious serial killer is facing the death penalty, I would humbly request that you make your opinions known before jury selection is completed, so that you may be struck from the jury by the prosecution. If you cannot vote for the death penalty no matter WHO the defendant is or what the defendant may have done, it obliterates any distinction between such people and a garden variety murderer for whom a life sentence may be entirely appropriate. And I believe that such a distinction is indeed warranted.

367 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:37:54pm

re: #363 sattv4u2

yup

Remember when Chocolate Thunder used to shatter backboards and the game would be delayed for 20-30 minutes? They had to invent the break away rim cause of him?

368 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:39:43pm

re: #360 sattv4u2

Look at the centers that Cowens had to play on a NIGHTLY basis

Jabbar, Moses Malone, Willis Reed, Artis Gilmore, Bob McAdoo, Walt bellamy, just to name a few

re: #361 _RememberTonyC

He even had to play against Wilt for 2-3 seasons.

Unseld, Lanier, Paricsh (while he was with GS)

369 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:39:47pm

re: #367 HoosierHoops

Remember when Chocolate Thunder used to shatter backboards and the game would be delayed for 20-30 minutes? They had to invent the break away rim cause of him?


can you imagine how many Shaq would have brought down if not for that invention?

370 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:40:42pm

re: #368 sattv4u2

Unseld, Lanier, Paricsh (while he was with GS)

Walton ...

371 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:42:05pm

re: #366 Salamantis

In that case, if a criminal case comes down the pike in which a mass murdering terrorist or a vicious serial killer is facing the death penalty, I would humbly request that you make your opinions known before jury selection is completed, so that you may be struck from the jury by the prosecution. If you cannot vote for the death penalty no matter WHO the defendant is or what the defendant may have done, it obliterates any distinction between such people and a garden variety murderer for whom a life sentence may be entirely appropriate. And I believe that such a distinction is indeed warranted.

Yep, I think that's one of the question they ask you (could you vote for the death penalty). So I would be struck, as I should be.

I agree with you that distinctions are warranted. What I struggle with, Sala, is MY culpability as an active participant in bringing about another human's death.

Don't think I say this lightly, or that I came to this without a struggle and a great deal of thought. I should have just kept quiet upthread, I guess.

372 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:42:27pm

re: #368 sattv4u2

Unseld, Lanier, Paricsh (while he was with GS)

Golden State exposed Unseld in 75.. He was never the same...
ahhhhh..Feels good to say that! LOL

373 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:42:55pm

re: #370 _RememberTonyC

Walton ...

Thats 10, by my count. Add Cowens and that accounts for 11 NBA teams with GREAT centers that had to play each other on a nightly basis. How many teams were in the NBA say circa 1985 (the zenith, when all of these were still around)

374 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:43:49pm

re: #372 HoosierHoops

Golden State exposed Unseld in 75.. He was never the same...
ahhhhh..Feels good to say that! LOL


But Wes got one in 1978 when the Bullets beat the Sonics for the NBA Title.

375 Neutral President  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:45:09pm

re: #327 Gbear

Riiiiiiiiiggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhht....

Begin the unnecessarily slow moving dipping mechanism!

376 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:45:22pm

re: #371 reine.de.tout

Yep, I think that's one of the question they ask you (could you vote for the death penalty). So I would be struck, as I should be.

I agree with you that distinctions are warranted. What I struggle with, Sala, is MY culpability as an active participant in bringing about another human's death.

Don't think I say this lightly, or that I came to this without a struggle and a great deal of thought. I should have just kept quiet upthread, I guess.

Just think how you'd feel if your vote prevented the imposition of the death penalty for someone who subsequently murdered a prison guard or a small-time-crime inmate in prison.

Just sayin'...

377 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:45:45pm

re: #373 sattv4u2

Thats 10, by my count. Add Cowens and that accounts for 11 NBA teams with GREAT centers that had to play each other on a nightly basis. How many teams were in the NBA say circa 1985 (the zenith, when all of these were still around)


there are 30 teams now, so I'll say there were 24 or 26 teams in the mid '80s.

378 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:45:47pm

re: #374 _RememberTonyC

But Wes got one in 1978 when the Bullets beat the Sonics for the NBA Title.

Damn you are right...
I think the Bullets should have never changed their name..It fit DC to a T..
LOL

379 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:47:13pm

re: #376 Salamantis

Just think how you'd feel if your vote prevented the imposition of the death penalty for someone who subsequently murdered a prison guard or a small-time-crime inmate in prison.

Just sayin'...

And I hear you. I know the points, I used to make 'em myself.
My thoughts on this have . . . evolved.

380 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:47:44pm

re: #378 HoosierHoops

Damn you are right...
I think the Bullets should have never changed their name..It fit DC to a T..
LOL


that is why they DID change it! Abe Pollin (Washington owner) wanted to distance the franchise from the violent connotations.

381 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:48:08pm

re: #373 sattv4u2

Thats 10, by my count. Add Cowens and that accounts for 11 NBA teams with GREAT centers that had to play each other on a nightly basis. How many teams were in the NBA say circa 1985 (the zenith, when all of these were still around)

OOPPPS ,, meant circa late 70's / early 80's ,, NOT 85

382 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:49:20pm

re: #377 _RememberTonyC

there are 30 teams now, so I'll say there were 24 or 26 teams in the mid '80s.

1980 ,,, 22 teams , and on that note, i bid you all goodnight

383 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:49:42pm

Magic by 1.. Close game

384 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:52:32pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

1980 ,,, 22 teams , and on that note, i bid you all goodnight


have a good one ..... it was fun

385 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:53:13pm

re: #383 HoosierHoops

Magic by 1.. Close game


we NEED the Magic to win ... I can't stand Phil Jackson

386 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:56:39pm

I'm out ...... have a good night ... wanna focus on the 4th qtr!

387 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 6:58:45pm

The Kobe Bryant/Lebron James situation reminds me of the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird situation in years past. In both cases, there are/were two players in the league who stood head and shoulders against the rest. Let us hope that Kobe Bryant and LeBron James get the chance to meet in future playoff series, so we can once again enjoy the kind of brilliance it was our privilege to behold in the Magic Johnson/Larry Bird rivalry during the monumental Lakers-Celtics playoff series in years past.

388 JeremyR  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:06:32pm

re: #25 Altermite

Argh.


On the same note, but on the other side of the coin, look to hard-right organizations to call religious persecution et all if it is used on him.

About 98% of the organizations do not support Roeder in any way. They would not issue a peep when he is convicted, and sentenced to life plus. The only organization of note to picket Tillers funeral was the westburro badass church, and they are left wing whackos.

389 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:08:45pm

Btw: Who else is salivating in anticipation of the upcoming college football season, with Florida's Tim Tebow, Texas' Colt McCoy, and Oklahoma's Sam Bradford all returning for their senior seasons at quarterback?

390 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:12:49pm

re: #388 JeremyR

About 98% of the organizations do not support Roeder in any way. They would not issue a peep when he is convicted, and sentenced to life plus. The only organization of note to picket Tillers funeral was the westburro badass church, and they are left wing whackos.

A church whose members picket the funerals of returning fallen US servicepeople and hold up placards saying that those soldiers, who gave their last full measure of devotion for their country, are burning in Hell for serving their nation in a military operating under Bill Clinton's don't ask/don't tell policy concerning homosexual orientation may be described as many things - rabidly homophobic comes to mind - but left wing is not among them.

391 A.W.  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:14:48pm

mmm, alot of hypocrisy going around these days.

The same people who incite violence against our troops mad at o'reilly for inciting violence against tiller. but bluntly, what is he supposed to do? Say nothing about what he considers to be an incredibly immoral practice?

the other hypocrisy is that the same people who always ask "why do they hate us?" are not asking that here. Hmm. its funny, but reaching out to the hearts and minds of others always includes the things on the liberal wishlist. like not waterboarding bad men who would kill us, but not, say, outlawing gay marraige. And certainly the left is not going to ask if this is all payback for electing a president who killed a law against infanticide. a little consistency, please!

The other hypocrisy is the concern for these so called "christianist" terrorists, but not for the islamic ones. the most obvious example is the kiling of that soldier in arkansas by, you guessed it, an islamic terrorist. but he is treated like a redheaded step child. why is that?

Sorry, can't get all worked up about Tiller's killer. the hypocrisy is too thick.

392 A.W.  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:16:05pm

btw, the westboro idiot church is not left wing. i think its unfair to pin them on the right wing either. they think about 99.99999% of everyone including republicans are going to hell.

393 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:19:54pm

re: #211 _RememberTonyC

How far back do you go in your boxing knowledge?

Sorry. I was away. I find the history of boxing interesting and have always liked boxing. My daddy boxed in his younger days.

394 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:26:45pm

re: #392 A.W.

btw, the westboro idiot church is not left wing. i think its unfair to pin them on the right wing either. they think about 99.99999% of everyone including republicans are going to hell.

Indeed. Even Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes agree that Fred Phelps and family are evil assholes.

395 right_wing2  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:44:10pm

re: #392 A.W.

My fiance' used to live just a few blocks from that church. I want to take a weekend & counter-protest them.

She'd hold a sign 'I'm not with stupid' and I'd hold one with 'For God so hated the world that he didn't bother sending His only Son, since only Fred Phelps & his family are getting to heaven anyway' on them.

396 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:59:54pm

Remember folks, it's outrageous to describe elements of America's religious extremists with the epithet 'American Taliban'/

397 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:07:59pm

re: #389 Salamantis

Btw: Who else is salivating in anticipation of the upcoming college football season, with Florida's Tim Tebow, Texas' Colt McCoy, and Oklahoma's Sam Bradford all returning for their senior seasons at quarterback?

Funny you should ask. Just this morning, I found myself counting on my fingers the weeks until the first college football game. I'm not a whiz on the stats end, etc., but I do love those games (particularly the SEC) and for those certain weeks of fall it can seem like all is right with the world. Bring 'em on.

398 restitutor orbis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:19:23pm

So to all the leftist sissies getting their panties in a bunch over "torture", answer me this.....
If this guy knows of an abortion bombing, would it be morally acceptable to waterboard him for info? Assuming his incarceration was under the same legality as a muslim terrorist?

I say yes, but then again my moral compass is a little less foggy.

399 Salamantis  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:36:26pm

re: #391 A.W.

mmm, alot of hypocrisy going around these days.

The same people who incite violence against our troops mad at o'reilly for inciting violence against tiller. but bluntly, what is he supposed to do? Say nothing about what he considers to be an incredibly immoral practice?

If O'Reilly's incendiary speech did not constitute a covert incitement to violence, I don't know what does:

A Brief History of Anti-Abortion Terrorism in America

Youtube Video

Check out the O'Reilly section from about 5:25 onward.

the other hypocrisy is that the same people who always ask "why do they hate us?" are not asking that here. Hmm. its funny, but reaching out to the hearts and minds of others always includes the things on the liberal wishlist. like not waterboarding bad men who would kill us, but not, say, outlawing gay marraige. And certainly the left is not going to ask if this is all payback for electing a president who killed a law against infanticide. a little consistency, please!

That is a complete mischaraterization of the Illinois bill. The Chicago tribune ran an in-depth story about that Trojan Horse piece of legislation:

What you need to know about the `Born Alive' controversy and Barack Obama
[Link: blogs.chicagotribune.com...]

The other hypocrisy is the concern for these so called "christianist" terrorists, but not for the islamic ones. the most obvious example is the kiling of that soldier in arkansas by, you guessed it, an islamic terrorist. but he is treated like a redheaded step child. why is that?

Sorry, can't get all worked up about Tiller's killer. the hypocrisy is too thick.

Charles has posted on that recruitment center murder. The difference is that we don't see bunches of religious right socons cheering that bastard on like they're doing for that homicidal scumbag Roeder.

400 Cygnus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:38:58pm

re: #392 A.W.

btw, the westboro idiot church is not left wing. i think its unfair to pin them on the right wing either. they think about 99.99999% of everyone including republicans are going to hell.

I read somewhere that they plan on picketing at Billy Graham's funeral someday. Total lunacy. They probably think he's going to hell, too.

401 Dan G.  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:48:57pm

re: #1 DEZes

My first thought too.

402 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #1 DEZes

Now is water boarding Okay?

No.


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