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I swing big, with everything I’ve got. I hit big or I miss big. I like to live as big as I can.
— Babe Ruth
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:09:36pm |
All Ice Roads lead to the Overnight thread.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:17:41pm |
such a philosophy is incompatible with the Won.... please adjust your beliefs accordingly.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:21:52pm |
Well, as mentioned in the last thread, I put up the link to Life's selection of Hugo Jaeger images of Adolf Hitler.
We'll see how my karma holds out.
I do believe it is very important to understand history, and to study it.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:23:41pm |
re: #4 freetoken
Well, as mentioned in the last thread, I put up the link to Life's selection of Hugo Jaeger images of Adolf Hitler.
We'll see how my karma holds out.
I do believe it is very important to understand history, and to study it.
Why would one's karma suffer from providing a link to never-before-seen pictures of Hitler? History exists, period.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:24:11pm |
re: #4 freetoken
I study it a little too much & get "askered".
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sngnsgt Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:28:05pm |
I asked this question late in the last thread. I recently moved from NW Pennsylvania to SW Nevada. In PA, we recycled everything, cans, bottles, newspapers, plastic, you name it, we recycled it. Here in Nevada, we throw everything in the same can and once a week roll it out to the street. What's up with that?
Harry Reed?
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:28:29pm |
re: #5 pink freud
It's always a gamble, to put links up. Sometimes I've posted links to what I thought was a really great story, good research, etc. and they get almost no clicks and no dings at all. At other times I've posted stories that literally get hundreds of clicks. Then I post stories that get a handful of clicks and just as many dings...
What I've learned:
Boobs win over science, every time.
Climate change stories are the most likely to get down dinged.
Scandals win over dry analysis, usually by a factor of 10x.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:30:29pm |
re: #8 freetoken
What I've learned:Boobs win over science, every time.
Climate change stories are the most likely to get down dinged.
Scandals win over dry analysis, usually by a factor of 10x.
...and hawt Brazilian babes beat everything else hands down. (Well, except for Hoosier Hoops, and then it would have to be some old sweaty basketball player) :-)
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redc1c4 Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:30:55pm |
re: #7 sngnsgt
I asked this question late in the last thread. I recently moved from NW Pennsylvania to SW Nevada. In PA, we recycled everything, cans, bottles, newspapers, plastic, you name it, we recycled it. Here in Nevada, we throw everything in the same can and once a week roll it out to the street. What's up with that?
Harry Reed?
you didn't have enough illegals in PA to do the sorting for you....
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:32:32pm |
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sngnsgt Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:34:21pm |
re: #12 Pvt Bin Jammin
I honestly don't know, those guys come pretty early.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:40:35pm |
re: #11 redc1c4
you didn't have enough illegals in PA to do the sorting for you....
You'll be pleased to know that the 0bama White House has their priorities in order on the subject of illegal aliens.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:41:01pm |
re: #15 sngnsgt
I am kinda joking, really, but I grew up in Nevada and knew a sheriff that was on the FBI council, or whatever. Las Vegas has kind of separated from that action but there are still two counties that are suspect. We had a friend who worked for BFI who really thought that they had "connections". I wouldn't doubt it.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:44:29pm |
re: #10 pink freud
...and hawt Brazilian babes beat everything else hands down.
No kidding. The Brazilian babe link I posted got hundreds of hits.
BTW, Life put up three small sets of images of Hitler... I put the link to the second one in the comments to the main link.
I don't know what we can learn from all of this... do we learn more about Hitler by looking at images of his offices and abodes? Or, do we learn more about ourselves, accepting that it has taken us four decades (one Life bought them from the photographer) to actually make available these things for people to view?
Perhaps too heady of questions for a late Sunday night thread... maybe I'll return later with the boob links.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:49:31pm |
re: #18 freetoken
No kidding. The Brazilian babe link I posted got hundreds of hits.
BTW, Life put up three small sets of images of Hitler... I put the link to the second one in the comments to the main link.
I don't know what we can learn from all of this... do we learn more about Hitler by looking at images of his offices and abodes? Or, do we learn more about ourselves, accepting that it has taken us four decades (one Life bought them from the photographer) to actually make available these things for people to view?
Perhaps too heady of questions for a late Sunday night thread... maybe I'll return later with the boob links.
We learn that evil can and will surround itself with beauty, and that the line that sometimes separates the two is not near as clear as one might believe. As for ourselves, we learn to be less gullible. There are lots of lessons, but those are the two that come most readily to my mind.
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:50:51pm |
A while back, I create an online program that lets you create your own timed quizzes ("How Many Xs Can You Name In Y Minutes?").
Just tonight, I finally posted a video tutorial of this program, and would like to hear any feedback you have on it:
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:51:24pm |
re: #18 freetoken
You're cool . We need to learn, I just think I started too early.
Take care, Freetoken, and all of you lizards. I am out. I love you all,
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SteveRogers Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:52:37pm |
If dry analysis were entertaining, then people would go see it.
But then, it wouldn't be dry anymore. BTW, why ain't there wet analysis?
Okay, there is, but you rarely sea it linked except at oceanographic blogs.
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pink freud Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:52:38pm |
re: #20 pat
You're right, Pat ...it's been a long day and I am beat. Goodnight everyone!
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:52:51pm |
re: #21 gmsc
A while back, I create an online program that lets you create your own timed quizzes ("How Many Xs Can You Name In Y Minutes?").
Eleven?
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freetoken Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:53:59pm |
re: #22 Pvt Bin Jammin
'nite PBJ....
There is much to mine out of those Hitler images... there are two more galleries, other than the two to which I linked.
Yes, PF,
We learn that evil can and will surround itself with beauty, and that the line that sometimes separates the two is not near as clear as one might believe.
Well stated. Something which the creatives (artists, architects, musicians, etc.) well should ponder upon.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:54:22pm |
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gmsc Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:55:33pm |
re: #24 pink freud
You're right, Pat ...it's been a long day and I am beat. Goodnight everyone!
G'Nite, pink!
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SteveRogers Sun, Jun 7, 2009 11:58:00pm |
re: #22 Pvt Bin Jammin
You're cool . We need to learn, I just think I started too early.
Take care, Freetoken, and all of you lizards. I am out. I love you all,
Er...thanks. I...um, love you too.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, June 8th:
Highlights of this day in history: Islam's Prophet Mohammed dies; James Earl Ray caught, wanted for killing civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr.; Architect Frank Lloyd Wright born; The N.Y. Yankees retire Mickey Mantle's number.
Other notable June 8th events include:
793 – Vikings raid the abbey at Lindisfarne in Northumbria, commonly accepted as the beginning of the Scandinavian invasion of England.
1906 – Theodore Roosevelt signs the Antiquities Act into law, authorizing the President to restrict the use of certain parcels of public land with historical or conservation value.
1948 – Milton Berle hosts the debut of Texaco Star Theater.
1949 – Celebrities Helen Keller, Dorothy Parker, Danny Kaye, Fredric March, John Garfield, Paul Muni and Edward G. Robinson are named in an FBI report as Communist Party members.
1953 – The United States Supreme Court rules that Washington, D.C. restaurants could not refuse to serve black patrons.
1968 – The body of assassinated U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy is laid to rest at Arlington National Cemetery.
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Cygnus Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:01:48am |
re: #21 gmsc
A while back, I create an online program that lets you create your own timed quizzes ("How Many Xs Can You Name In Y Minutes?").
Just tonight, I finally posted a video tutorial of this program, and would like to hear any feedback you have on it:
I recently took (and passed) the test for Life and Disability insurance licensing, so no more timed tests for now, thank you. My brain needs a rest.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:02:43am |
re: #24 pink freud
You're right, Pat ...it's been a long day and I am beat. Goodnight everyone!
Good night Pink.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:03:27am |
re: #33 Cygnus
I recently took (and passed) the test for Life and Disability insurance licensing, so no more timed tests for now, thank you. My brain needs a rest.
Congrats, Cygnus!
The good news is, this program lets you create the tests, and others have to take them!
;)
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GeicoGecko Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:05:00am |
In the Newsbusters poll "who is most in love with Barack Obama" the Narcissist In Chief's self love is beating Chris Tingle's man crush by 40% to 36%.
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sngnsgt Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:05:51am |
re: #9 Pvt Bin Jammin
Mafia?
LOL! Which state? They're alive and well in both states! At least in PA that I know for sure...
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ladycatnip Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:07:07am |
#21 gmsc
Amazing. Can this be adapted for math questions?
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:07:59am |
re: #21 gmsc
A while back, I create an online program that lets you create your own timed quizzes ("How Many Xs Can You Name In Y Minutes?").
Just tonight, I finally posted a video tutorial of this program, and would like to hear any feedback you have on it:
[Video]
Hi, gmsc. I heard/read it. Clear as Kafka!. What do I do now? :)
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:08:16am |
New Topic: Apple's WWDC (World Wide Developer's Conference) starts tomorrow, and Apple fans are wondering what will be announced and/or released?
Banners have already been spotted that read: One Year Later, Light-Years Ahead
(Ummm . . . Apple, you do know light-years measure distance, not time, right? Maybe a new iPhone is going to be released that can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs?)
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sngnsgt Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:09:43am |
re: #17 Pvt Bin Jammin
I am kinda joking, really, but I grew up in Nevada and knew a sheriff that was on the FBI council, or whatever. Las Vegas has kind of separated from that action but there are still two counties that are suspect. We had a friend who worked for BFI who really thought that they had "connections". I wouldn't doubt it.
There are more crooked noses in PA that I know of, the mob here in Las Vegas was pretty much run out of town years ago.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:09:55am |
re: #40 gmsc
(Ummm . . . Apple, you do know light-years measure distance, not time, right? Maybe a new iPhone is going to be released that can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs?)
Ever see any of the waffling in the books that trys to make sense out of that statement? Hilarious.
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ladycatnip Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:10:28am |
#36 GeicoGecko
LOL - I cast my vote for the One as well!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:13:45am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:14:03am |
re: #38 ladycatnip
#21 gmsc
Amazing. Can this be adapted for math questions?
It's more for quizzes in which you're challenging someone to list as many things in a category as possible in a set amount of time.
This could work for some math questions better than others, such as "How many types of triangles can you name in 3 minutes?" (Uh . . . equilateral, scalene, isosceles . . .).
If you look on the Timed Quizzes section of my workout page, you'll see several examples of the types of quiz I'm talking about.
re: #39 BatGuano
Hi, gmsc. I heard/read it. Clear as Kafka!. What do I do now? :)
Go to the site and use it to create your own quizzes! The page has links to more detailed text instructions, if you like.
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:16:51am |
re: #44 BatGuano
Han Solo didn't know that.
Star Wars fan boys try to explain that one away by saying the area around Kessel has a lot of black holes and that spacetime is bent such that the "Kessel Run" is measured in distance not time. He who finds the shortest path in warped spacetime comes out ahead.
I think its just that either Solo was supposed to sound like a know-nothing braggart or George Lucas was a moron. Signs point to option 2 based on the quality of the prequels.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:19:07am |
re: #47 ArchangelMichael
George always did need a good editor. I barely classify Star Wars as Science Fiction. I tend to call it science fantasy with my friends and watch them get all offended.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:20:05am |
re: #48 BlueCanuck
George always did need a good editor. I barely classify Star Wars as Science Fiction. I tend to call it science fantasy with my friends and watch them get all offended.
"Science fantasy" – I like that! That actually sounds like a good description of Star Wars, without denegrating it.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:22:46am |
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:23:09am |
re: #49 gmsc
Well think about it for a second. It's classic Joseph Campbell structuring for the story. I mean it isn't even disguised. Then you have the Jedi Master who's nothing but a wizard. The "science" like blasters and space ships are easily substituted for swords and mounts. They are only devices that get you from point A to point B with no real explanation on how they work. I could go into further detail but that's an essay I think.
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:23:38am |
re: #48 BlueCanuck
George always did need a good editor. I barely classify Star Wars as Science Fiction. I tend to call it science fantasy with my friends and watch them get all offended.
I've become a "hard sci-fi" fan over time. Just about every Sci-fi movie, TV show, or book has become "Science Fantasy" to me with the exception of stuff like Rendezvous with Rama and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Sometime I wish I didn't know so much about astronomy and physics. I might enjoy sci-fi much more.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:23:44am |
re: #48 BlueCanuck
Yeah... not much "science", but lots of fantasy in quite a bit of what goes by the name of "science fiction."
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:23:52am |
re: #50 Fenway_Nation
Space opera is almost a higher class then what Star Wars ended up as.
/yeah I am still ticked about the prequels.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:24:32am |
The Grand Unification Theory of Sucking
Reading Drudge can be so entertaining. Or educational. Educational? Anyway, check out this series of headlines on your right, presented by Drudge without context.
The media critic’s job is to provide context, so here we go. Let’s start from the bottom and work our way up.
First headline - Big government spending programs — having opposite desired effect… :
There’s Funemployment and then there’s the White House’s version of reality, or at least its clumsy attempts at Doublethink: Austan Goolsbee proposes that “last month’s loss of 345,000 jobs (resulting in a half percentage point jump in the jobless rate) is somehow good news because it beat predictions”.
Yes. And we’ve always been at war with Eurasia, Mr. Goolsbee. Ha!
The VOA didn’t get the memo: US Unemployment Rate Gallops Ahead of Expectations.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:25:44am |
re: #54 BlueCanuck
Look....if this is about me chucking eggs at all the Star Wars geeks that were waiting in line for weeks on end to get tickets to the prequels- for the last time- I didn't know that was you!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:27:18am |
re: #52 ArchangelMichael
Every good story has to have, what I learned, a maguffin. For Star Trek the maguffin was the transporter system. It allowed them to get from the ship to where ever they were going seamlessly. One good series of books that actually pays a good attention to physics is the Honor Harrington series by David Weber. Space battles actually take hours instead of minutes. Only thing that isn't really "science" is how the space ships move. But I guess you could say it's theoretically possible.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:29:04am |
re: #56 Fenway_Nation
Wrong franchise. I was the Klingon waiting for the Star Trek movies back in the mid 90's. ;)
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:32:49am |
re: #52 ArchangelMichael
This is also why I liked the new BSG series until the abysmal Deus ex machina final episode. The only thing about the depiction of space travel in the series that set off my BS meter was the Star Trek like artificial gravity with absolutely no explanation. Especially since they seemed to go out of their way to make everything else reasonable. No man-portable lasers that can disintegrate you. No humanoid aliens that speak English. The fighters flew like spaceships and not jets, using RCS to manuever. The jump drives were not completely outside the realm of possibility either since they seemed to be generating wormholes to accomplish their task. Except the hokey artificial gravity I was impressed.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:37:52am |
re: #59 ArchangelMichael
B5 was way ahead of BSG on that one. Only a few aliens had artifical gravity in their space ships. If you looked at some of the human ships they actually had sections that spun to produce gravity. Just like the station did as well. Of course some of it was fantastical but what can you expect.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:38:17am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:39:02am |
re: #57 BlueCanuck
Every good story has to have, what I learned, a maguffin. For Star Trek the maguffin was the transporter system. It allowed them to get from the ship to where ever they were going seamlessly. One good series of books that actually pays a good attention to physics is the Honor Harrington series by David Weber. Space battles actually take hours instead of minutes. Only thing that isn't really "science" is how the space ships move. But I guess you could say it's theoretically possible.
If you're talking about a MacGuffin, that's not what it is. "MacGuffin" is a term for the main driving force of the plot, but the thing itself is never really defined in detail.
With a few exceptions, the Star Trek plots are rarely about transporters as the driving force of the plot.
A MacGuffin would be something like the Shankara Stones in "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". They spend the whole movie trying to find them, and as soon as they're found, the movie is over. You never really see the Shankara Stones do much of anything except light up (and burn a guy, and supposedly restore a village).
The briefcase contents in Pulp Fiction, the chest in Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man's Chest and the letters of transit in Casablanca are all MaCguffins.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:41:16am |
re: #62 gmsc
Thanks for the spelling help. But in the day when the term was explained to me not a lot of the "science" of Star Trek had been developed or explained. It allowed them to move easily about with out much effort or delay in story or plot. Now of course you have to realize I am talking classic here.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:42:38am |
re: #63 BlueCanuck
Thanks for the spelling help. But in the day when the term was explained to me not a lot of the "science" of Star Trek had been developed or explained. It allowed them to move easily about with out much effort or delay in story or plot. Now of course you have to realize I am talking classic here.
It was Alfred Hitchcock who coined the term, and mastered its use well, so I tend to stick to his definition of it.
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:43:19am |
re: #60 BlueCanuck
B5 was way ahead of BSG on that one. Only a few aliens had artifical gravity in their space ships. If you looked at some of the human ships they actually had sections that spun to produce gravity. Just like the station did as well. Of course some of it was fantastical but what can you expect.
The station itself was an O'neill Cylinder and the the Earth starships had rotating sections (the ship designs were actually based on the Leonov design in 2010). They had the artificial gravity thing correct, only the way more advanced species had "Star Trek" style gravity plating. It was just the rest of it that was hokey.
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wiffersnapper Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:43:35am |
Hot dogs and beer should be every baseball player's diet! Babe Ruth was the man.
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wiffersnapper Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:46:08am |
re: #4 freetoken
I enjoyed seeing those pics when I read about them on drudge a few days ago. Just for historical purposes of course.
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:51:24am |
re: #62 gmsc
A MacGuffin would be something like the Shankara Stones in "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". They spend the whole movie trying to find them, and as soon as they're found, the movie is over. You never really see the Shankara Stones do much of anything except light up (and burn a guy, and supposedly restore a village).
And this inspired the two greatest lines in any movie ever made!
"Drop them Dr Jones! They will be found! YOU WONT!"
and
"Mola Rom... prepare to meet Kali.... IN HELL!"
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:58:35am |
re: #69 ArchangelMichael
And this inspired the two greatest lines in any movie ever made!
"Drop them Dr Jones! They will be found! YOU WONT!"
and
"Mola Rom... prepare to meet Kali.... IN HELL!"
Trivia Time: The opening of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom takes place in a nightclub. What is the name of the nightclub?
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:58:58am |
re: #71 gmsc
Trivia Time: The opening of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom takes place in a nightclub. What is the name of the nightclub?
Club Obi-Wan
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:59:22am |
re: #71 gmsc
Hahaha... Nice try Lao Che!
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:00:32am |
re: #73 ArchangelMichael
Hahaha... Nice try Lao Che!
Speaking of that, who played "Weber", the man who booked Indy on his friend on Lao Che Airlines?
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:01:18am |
re: #74 gmsc
Speaking of that, who played "Weber", the man who booked Indy on his friend on Lao Che Airlines?
Dan Aykroyd
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:02:30am |
re: #76 ArchangelMichael
Dan Aykroyd
Can you name any other professional comedians who had cameos in Indiana Jones films?
(I've got to trip up ArchangelMichael sooner or later!)
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:02:58am |
re: #77 gmsc
OK, you watch the movies waaaaaay too closely!
Temple of Doom is my favorite Indiana Jones movie (I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one). I've seen it hundreds of times if I've seen it once.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:04:09am |
re: #79 ArchangelMichael
Temple of Doom is my favorite Indiana Jones movie (I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one). I've seen it hundreds of times if I've seen it once.
Yep, I think you're in the minority. :)
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:04:39am |
re: #79 ArchangelMichael
Temple of Doom is my favorite Indiana Jones movie (I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one). I've seen it hundreds of times if I've seen it once.
It's my favorite of the 4, as well!
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:05:34am |
re: #78 gmsc
Can you name any other professional comedians who had cameos in Indiana Jones films?
(I've got to trip up ArchangelMichael sooner or later!)
I've never seen the nuke the fridge movie so if they are in that once it doesn't count. I'm drawing a blank on this right now.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:06:32am |
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:29am |
Anything but crystal skull. sorry, but that movie sucked. I had the feeling that every scene was shot around a merchandising ploy or the next ride planned at Universal Studios.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:32am |
re: #82 ArchangelMichael
I've never seen the nuke the fridge movie so if they are in that once it doesn't count. I'm drawing a blank on this right now.
Nope - the other professional comedian isn't in Crystal Skulls.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:35am |
Temple of Doom is the only one of the three I haven't seen.
/can't count the fourth one yet, still on my list to see.
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:08:08am |
re: #80 BatGuano
Yep, I think you're in the minority. :)
I like 1 and 3, 1 better than 3 (but I've had a star crush on Alison Doody because of the 3rd movie for years), and I used to hate the Temple of Doom but it grew on me as I got older.
Same with Star Wars, when I was a kid, Empire Strikes back was my least favorite of the trilogy, now its my favorite.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:12:17am |
re: #78 gmsc
Can you name any other professional comedians who had cameos in Indiana Jones films?
(I've got to trip up ArchangelMichael sooner or later!)
The answer? British comedian Alexi Sayle (video below) played the Sultan of Hatay in "The Last Crusade". He's the one who gives the Nazis everything they need to search for the Grail, in exchange for giving him the Rolls Royce Phantom II.
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:15:18am |
re: #88 gmsc
The answer? British comedian Alexi Sayle (video below) played the Sultan of Hatay in "The Last Crusade". He's the one who gives the Nazis everything they need to search for the Grail, in exchange for giving him the Rolls Royce Phantom II.
[Video]
Since I've never heard of him outside of the movie I don't feel too bad but I love this scene.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:15:21am |
re: #88 gmsc
That's a rough one since Alexi Sayle barely qualifies as a comedian. The Benito Mussolini bit in the Young Ones is about the only funny thing I've ever seen from him.
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Neutral President Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:45am |
re: #88 gmsc
"Rolls Royce Phantom II. 4.3 liter 30 horsepower 6 cylinder engine with Stromberg downdraft carberators. Will go 0 to 100 kilometers an hour in 12.5 seconds and I even like the color."
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:19:35am |
In the Indiana Jones movies, I love when they refer to the other movies.
Temple of Doom: Parodying the scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indy is confronted by two swordsman, reaches suavely for his gun, and this time it's gone!
Last Crusade: Elsa looks at a wall painting while exploring under Venice and asks Indy, "What's that?" He replied, "The Ark of the Covenant". She asks, "Are you sure", and Indy replies, "I'm pretty sure."
Crystal Skulls: During the fight scene in the government warehouse, Indy falls on one box, partially breaking it open, and inside is the Ark of the Covenant.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:20:13am |
re: #89 ArchangelMichael
Since I've never heard of him outside of the movie I don't feel too bad but I love this scene.
You've never heard of him, even after 50 classic years?
;)
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freetoken Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:23:02am |
re: #62 gmsc
Since "MacGuffin" has come up in reference to Star Wars... here is part of the Wiki blurb on that term:
On the commentary soundtrack to the 2004 DVD release of Star Wars, writer and director George Lucas describes R2-D2 as "the main driving force of the movie ... what you say in the movie business is the MacGuffin ... the object of everybody's search".[4] In TV interviews, Hitchcock defined a MacGuffin as the object around which the plot revolves, but, as to what that object specifically is, he declared, "the audience don't care."[5] Lucas, on the other hand, believes that the MacGuffin should be powerful and that "the audience should care about it almost as much as the dueling heroes and villains on-screen."[6]
In the current movie Angels and Demons, could we not say the Higgs Boson is the MacGuffin?
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IslandLibertarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:08am |
re: #7 sngnsgt
I asked this question late in the last thread. I recently moved from NW Pennsylvania to SW Nevada. In PA, we recycled everything, cans, bottles, newspapers, plastic, you name it, we recycled it. Here in Nevada, we throw everything in the same can and once a week roll it out to the street. What's up with that?
Harry Reed?
"The war against waste is lost."
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:13am |
Do not click on the link below if you do not want an ear worm.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:27:25am |
re: #7 sngnsgt
I asked this question late in the last thread. I recently moved from NW Pennsylvania to SW Nevada. In PA, we recycled everything, cans, bottles, newspapers, plastic, you name it, we recycled it. Here in Nevada, we throw everything in the same can and once a week roll it out to the street. What's up with that?
Harry Reed?
Hey - I prefer it that way. I can't stand separating everything into 20 different cans.
I sort my garbage into 2 different cans: Garbage that fits in the first can and garbage that doesn't fit in the first can.
If recycling is so important, how come they don't do it at the location where the garbage winds up?
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:27:44am |
can't find video
the only funny thing Alexi Sayle ever did
POLICE CHIEF: [he's dropped the Italian accent and is now talking like
Alexei Sayle] It's been a terrible blow to my life looking like Mussolini,
you know. Especially when I was a kid, you know, I was about seven, right,
and I was down the Youth Club, you know, dancing away, right, like in the
'sixties, doing the Twist, [he starts doing the Twist] you know. And,
em, there was this girl, right, and she comes up to me, and she goes,
"'Ere! Are you Mussolini?" I said, "Emmm...Yeah." She says, "I though
you was dead." I says, "No, it was just me day off, you know." So she
pulled me over the dance floor and butted me in the face! I said, "What's
that for?" She said, "That's for the invasion of Crete!"
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sngnsgt Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:48:46am |
re: #98 gmsc
Don't get me wrong, I'm with you. From what I've heard around here, it's voluntary, and I ain't volunteering!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:51:00am |
re: #100 gmsc
By this point and time, I am only here for the fruit cup.
/hate working a night shift. throws my internal chronometer outta whack.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:56:05am |
re: #100 gmsc
alexi sayle talk'll do that
or maybe everyone is just absorbed in his awesomeness and finding every bit of video they can
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:00:05am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:00:44am |
re: #109 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Mmmmmm . . . virgin fruitcup!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:01:23am |
Good morning littleoldlady. Thank you for the fruitcup. :)
/and at the moment this is not a habit, I can walk away anytime.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:02:42am |
laZardo! :-)
spidly! :-) Where you been?!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:16am |
re: #119 BatGuano
Shhhh, you are harshing my self delusionment.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:56am |
re: #109 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Thank you, littleoldlady! You're the best.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:58am |
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:04:15am |
re: #120 littleoldlady
re-employed and working salaried mans hours... now re-unemployed.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:05:27am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:06:09am |
re: #112 sngnsgt
I agree with Penn and Teller, it is bullshit.
As they say, to be fair, recycling aluminum cans is excellent, and so profitable, there are probably people going through your garbage now to find the aluminum cans!
Beyond that, though . . .
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:06:29am |
Well, getting tired again. Off to bed and see you folks later. Stay scaly all.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:06:38am |
re: #124 spidly
re-employed and working salaried mans hours... now re-unemployed.
Vey iz mir! :-( It's wonderful that Obama's economy is "bouncing back".
/major sarc
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:07:29am |
re: #128 BlueCanuck
Well, getting tired again. Off to bed and see you folks later. Stay scaly all.
Good night, BlueCanuck.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:08:29am |
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:11:18am |
re: #127 gmsc
As they say, to be fair, recycling aluminum cans is excellent, and so profitable, there are probably people going through your garbage now to find the aluminum cans!
Beyond that, though . . .
In portland we have one big recycling can. that is because for the last 5 years or so there has not been a market for any of it (bottle bill keeps the aluminum out) so it all goes right to the dump with the rest of the garbage. They had us sorting for the longest time even though it gets unsorted in the landfill - gotta keep the recycling infrastructure up and running just in case it becomes viable again, don't ya know.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:08am |
Leave it to me to lower the tone here.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:14:56am |
re: #129 littleoldlady
yep, I'm feeling all kinds of stimulus in the colo-rectal region.
Think I'm going to look at changing careers as manufacturing is dead, particularly in oregon.
might have a new job making guns though - subcontract for century arms; otherwise, phhhhht!
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:16:03am |
re: #136 gmsc
"Like sheeps in the night" was an Archie Bunker line, and although may seem kinda amazing that it stuck with me lo, these many (MANY!) years, when you get old, stuff like that happens.
/you'll see! ;-)
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:16:55am |
re: #55 gmsc
When democrat scandals are so bad that even a boston paper begins to notice, you know you have something!
Scandals cast shadow on state Democrats
There was a moment last week when Representative Denis E. Guyer was stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic on Interstate 93. He was in his red Toyota Matrix, sporting old campaign bumper stickers and a special House of Representatives license plate meant to be an honor bestowed on elected officials.
But after the indictment of former House speaker Salvatore F. DiMasi - the third Democrat to face criminal charges in 11 months - residents are in no mood to give much respect to those who work on Beacon Hill.
One motorist pointed his middle finger squarely at Guyer. Shortly after, another motorist did the same.
"A lot of us are in shock," said Guyer, a Democrat from Dalton. "I'm in shock."
How could Democrats have so much control, and yet have everything spiraling so badly downward?
Yep – it's a stumper.
//////
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:18:40am |
re: #109 littleoldlady
Stopped in for fruitcup. Been shoveling gravel all weekend and need sustenance.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:18:44am |
re: #140 littleoldlady
"Like sheeps in the night" was an Archie Bunker line, and although may seem kinda amazing that it stuck with me lo, these many (MANY!) years, when you get old, stuff like that happens.
/you'll see! ;-)
Oh, I'm familiar with it. I was just playing off it.
I've had years of my grandfather celebrating "George Birthington's Wash Day", and my grandmother warning me to stay inside because the weatherman predicted "several slightly tattered skunderthorms".
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:03am |
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:45am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:25:54am |
re: #148 littleoldlady
Grandmother...grandfather...
/thanks for that!
I didn't say when they started saying that.
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:27:15am |
re: #151 gmsc
I was thinking more Thundercats meets Transformers, but most kid's underwear are tattered. And smelly.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:28:30am |
re: #143 taxfreekiller
I dunno, my father in law and his LLL buddies seem to be in favor of nuclear energy, against single payer, a bit afraid of letting Iran have Nukes, and waffling on Gitmo, so maybe 2010 will bring better things.
I'm not very hopeful, however, and for the first time really leery - kind of taking my typical "at least I'm armed" hyperbole seriously.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:29:51am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:30:52am |
re: #155 littleoldlady
Great. The price of bread will be going up...AGAIN.
;-)
...and I will be going down.
Good night, all!
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:31:17am |
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:33:10am |
re: #146 littleoldlady
What were you manufacturing?
Metal fab shop catering to Intel subcontractors - big metal frames down to little widgets of all sorts. I did the CAD and fabrication. before that it was industrial kitchen stuff.
this stuff
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:33:36am |
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:34:55am |
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:35:19am |
re: #160 spidly
Aha. talloldman used to work in a metal fab shop. They specialized in spiral staircases.
But he was a welder.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:36:13am |
re: #164 BatGuano
I always wonder if fancy cakes like that actually get eaten at parties.
It would sure be hard for ME to cut into a work of art!
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:38:14am |
re: #166 littleoldlady
I always wonder if fancy cakes like that actually get eaten at parties.
It would sure be hard for ME to cut into a work of art!
Me like pretty cake. Me eat and don't give a crap about work of art. Was that out loud?
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:38:40am |
re: #166 littleoldlady
That's why you eat the cake batter and frosting out of the bowl, instead ;-)
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:39:28am |
theheat! :-)
I like the way you think! :-)
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:40:46am |
re: #165 littleoldlady
Aha. talloldman used to work in a metal fab shop. They specialized in spiral staircases.
But he was a welder.
As am I. I made everything in the pics unless otherwise stated. Just taught myself CAD and did that as part of my duties at two shops
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:40:56am |
re: #169 littleoldlady
Most of my cakes never see the inside of an oven.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:43:35am |
re: #170 spidly
That was smart! Around here you'd probably find a job relatively easily.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:44:26am |
re: #171 theheat
Most of my cakes never see the inside of an oven.
HA. Me, I just cut to the chase and go directly to chocolate.
/why ruin a perfect food with FLOUR?
;-)
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:45:24am |
re: #170 spidly
Aren't stainless steel welders in demand? I would think working with that much stainless and CAD, you'd be a pretty hot commodity just about anywhere.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:46:32am |
re: #172 littleoldlady
That was smart! Around here you'd probably find a job relatively easily.
where's that? I'll sleep in my car in bolivia if it pays.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:53am |
re: #174 theheat
Aren't stainless steel welders in demand? I would think working with that much stainless and CAD, you'd be a pretty hot commodity just about anywhere.
not here. the positions on-line get 1000's of responses within hours. this is Oregon - this is 12% unemployment and rising. 2nd in the nation
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:50:44am |
re: #177 spidly
I knew a SS welder in Eastern WA that did pretty well, but that was years ago. He worked on big tanks for trucks and dairy equipment. He worked like a fiend and was in high demand. Sorry to hear thinks suck so bad in Oregon.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:51:34am |
What have the Romans done for us?
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:54:03am |
re: #180 BatGuano
Beats me, but when in Rome, we're supposed to be doing whatever they're doing.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:54:13am |
re: #177 spidly
not here. the positions on-line get 1000's of responses within hours. this is Oregon - this is 12% unemployment and rising. 2nd in the nation
I was born in Oregon (Roseburg) and I'd like to retire there. I know it is not the Oregon I was born in.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:54:48am |
re: #179 theheat
I knew a SS welder in Eastern WA that did pretty well, but that was years ago. He worked on big tanks for trucks and dairy equipment. He worked like a fiend and was in high demand. Sorry to hear thinks suck so bad in Oregon.
Our big dairy and brewery tank mfg was interested, but said they had to do all their call-backs before I could be considered. check back in a month or two.
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:56:17am |
re: #183 spidly
How persistent can you be before they take out a restraining order for stalking?
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:58:59am |
re: #184 rightside
I can't help it: I love 90,000 tons of diplomacy! Ok. I'm over it now. :)
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:01:04am |
re: #182 BatGuano
I was born in Oregon (Roseburg) and I'd like to retire there. I know it is not the Oregon I was born in.
It still is for the most part if you stay the hell away from Portland metro area, Hood River, and Ashland. Timber is largely shut down so thing really suck for those areas. Were it not for gerymandering and fraud-by-mail voting, this would be a red state.
Hood River where I grew up is now a John Kerry - Jackson Hole - resort - retirement - trust funder community so it really sucks.
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theheat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:07:29am |
I'm going to put away some laundry and see if I can get finished with the last corner of the spare room. Take care everyone, and good night.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:07:44am |
re: #190 spidly
....Forgot Eugene. That place should be nuked but for the decent people in Springfield that would be harmed.
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jim in virginia Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:11:16am |
Good morning all. Lovely morning here in northern VA but it is supposed to rain again today.
And tomorrow.
And all bleeping week.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:12:57am |
Later, theheat! :-)
{My Rove}! :-)
Usually, if you get rain...we get rain, too.
/sheesh!
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:13:09am |
re: #187 theheat
How persistent can you be before they take out a restraining order for stalking?
It's a union thing... in house union, I do believe. If I have to join sheetmetal union, I won't work there anyway.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:15:41am |
re: #190 spidly
Timber should still be a major industry as it was when I was young. "F " Portland. My Uncle, whom I never met ,was killed in the timber 2 years before I as born and at the same time my dad drove a logging truck. Okies made a decent living at the time.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:18:31am |
re: #193 spidly
....Forgot Eugene. That place should be nuked but for the decent people in Springfield that would be harmed.
I used to live in the Santa Clara part of Eugene in the late sixties. Returned in the seventies.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:18:40am |
re: #79 ArchangelMichael
Temple of Doom is my favorite Indiana Jones movie (I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one).
Temple is actually my favorite of the three sequels -- it's hard to beat Chilled Monkey Brains and "Cover your heart, Indy!" -- but the original Raiders is still the best.
(It probably helps the case for Temple of Doom that I had only recently turned 13 when the movie, one of the very first to be stamped with the brand-new PG-13 rating, was released.)
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:25:35am |
re: #198 BatGuano
We have so much Timber it is silly. Just Can't harvest. They are trying to destroy the forest via mismanagement so it will not be an issue.
Fire suppression causes density and big fuel load on the floor. They won't allow controlled controlled burns to take out the fuel load, or selective harvest to minimize density, or clearcuts for fire breaks. Now we get massive high canopy burns that toasts everything and sterilizes the soil for years and years - erosion - mudslides. All organic old growth sensitive sustainable forward thinking progressive forest management, mind you, but devastating to the trees and the economy.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:33:25am |
I have a research paper due tomorrow at 4pm. I'm working on it right now.
I can turn it in anytime between 10am and 4pm. Should I work on it/finish by 10am, and go take it then come home and sleep unobstructed? Or should I finish it, sleep, then take it by 4pm?
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:35:18am |
fire trucks going from one area to another must be pressures washed and choppers must dip there buckets from selected areas to avoid the invasion of non-native species. this while the forest burns.
meanwhile great swaths of the coast or closed to the public for the non-native snowy plover which nests in the beach grass transplanted from the east coast by the WPA.
hell
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:35:48am |
re: #202 spidly
I know what you're talking about. I used to see fires on the hills that were quickly contained. That was money going up in smoke. Now it is just government property. When it was commercial, the forests were managed properly, dead wood was cleared, fire breaks created to minimize damage.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:37:07am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:37:38am |
re: #203 TheMatrix31
Finish it, sleep, and wake up in time to proofread it before you take it. You'll be too tired now to catch all the errors; proofreading is better done after a break of a couple of hours at least from writing it. In my opinion.
Good luck!
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:39:53am |
re: #211 BatGuano
Hey there cutie! what's shaking? I haven't read everything yet, but need to upding you for the Monty Python "what have the romans done for us" sketch-- I love that.
How are you?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:45:39am |
re: #214 BatGuano
Glad to hear it!
Pretty good here...juggling lots of things and popping in and out on Lizard Nation. What's new?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:46:32am |
re: #210 iceweasel
Finish it, sleep, and wake up in time to proofread it before you take it. You'll be too tired now to catch all the errors; proofreading is better done after a break of a couple of hours at least from writing it. In my opinion.
Good luck!
That's what I'm thinking. My main reason for wanting to turn it in as soon as my TA gets in her office is so I can come home and sleep unobstructed. I think I'm going to sleep then turn it in though, because if I finish at 7:30am or something, I don't want to sit on my ass for two and a half hours.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:48:21am |
re: #203 TheMatrix31
I have a research paper due tomorrow at 4pm. I'm working on it right now.
I can turn it in anytime between 10am and 4pm. Should I work on it/finish by 10am, and go take it then come home and sleep unobstructed? Or should I finish it, sleep, then take it by 4pm?
That first bit. It should be 6-8 AM wherever you are. Unbroken sleeptime is a precious commodity these days.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:51:01am |
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:23am |
re: #217 lazardo
That first bit. It should be 6-8 AM wherever you are. Unbroken sleeptime is a precious commodity these days.
It's 3:53am :)
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:54:54am |
Good morning.
Look for the market to open on the downside this morning. The market has been up 1 of the last 13 weeks and I think we will see some profit taking now.
Unemployment and inflation is causing a lot of concern out there for all but the most blind Obama worshipers.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:55:04am |
re: #220 lazardo
Nice to see you! How are you?
Good morning/evening/afternoon to all the lizards in all our time zones. Hope everyone's well.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:56:53am |
re: #203 TheMatrix31
I have a research paper due tomorrow at 4pm. I'm working on it right now.
I can turn it in anytime between 10am and 4pm. Should I work on it/finish by 10am, and go take it then come home and sleep unobstructed? Or should I finish it, sleep, then take it by 4pm?
by what I hear from Obama, Islam invented time travel, so you should convert and go back and get an earlier start.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:57:56am |
re: #215 iceweasel
Not much new here. Lizards can't agree on some things. Even though you're a liberal you fit right in.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:00:02am |
re: #225 BatGuano
Not much new here. Lizards can't agree on some things. Even though you're a liberal you fit right in.
We're a diverse bunch here nd I wouldn't have it any other way (my own opinion).
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:02:51am |
re: #222 3 wood
Good morning.
Look for the market to open on the downside this morning. The market has been up 1 of the last 13 weeks and I think we will see some profit taking now.
Unemployment and inflation is causing a lot of concern out there for all but the most blind Obama worshipers.
What effect does one trillion dollars of fiat money have on inflation?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:03:15am |
re: #225 BatGuano
Not much new here. Lizards can't agree on some things. Even though you're a liberal you fit right in.
Well, you know what they say about liberals--ask three of us what we think, you'll get 4 different opinions. ;) We don't even agree among ourselves, much less with anyone else.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:03:26am |
re: #223 iceweasel
Doin' well, trying to settle back into the college grind.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:07:59am |
re: #225 BatGuano
Not much new here. Lizards can't agree on some things. Even though you're a liberal you fit right in.
Well hell, I'm mostly a liberal in the real sense. Is Iceweasel an "I decide what you eat, earn, give, take, learn, believe..." illiberal type of liberal, or a real classical liberal?
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:12:26am |
Obamanomics is not working out like they had hoped.
ALL BUSINESS: Bond-market rout lifts mortgage cost
NEW YORK (AP) - The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.
But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect. Rates for mortgages and U.S. Treasury debt are now marching higher as nervous bond investors fret about a resurgence of inflation.
That's the Catch-22 threatening to make an awful housing market potentially worse and keep the economy stuck in a funk. Kick-starting the economy requires higher spending, but rising rates mean fewer Americans will be able to refinance their home loans. And some potential buyers will be shut out of the market by higher monthly payments they won't be able to afford.
But, but, but, how is this possible? I mean, the mean and dumb Goerge Bush is out of office, the Messiah is in, and everything is beautiful.
Right?
To understand how this is all connected, you have to think like a bond trader. Inflation is their enemy because it means the purchasing power of the dollars they receive when bonds eventually are paid off will be diminished. The only question is by how much.
Yields on 10-year Treasury notes, a benchmark for home mortgages and other consumers loans, jumped from 2.5 percent in March around the time of the Fed announcement to as high as 3.7 percent in recent days as signs that efforts to stabilize the financial system and economy were starting to pay off. And 30-year mortgage rates jumped more than a quarter-point this week to 5.29 percent, the highest level since December, Freddie Mac reported.
"If the meltdown continues in the bond market, then mortgage yields will soon be at levels that choke off refinancing activity," said economist Ed Yardeni, who runs his own investment firm. "Even worse, they could abort any necessary recovery in home sales and prices."
Why is this happening?
The White House estimates that the government will rack up an unprecedented $1.8 trillion budget deficit this year - more than four times last year's all-time high.
"The bond market is calling the Federal Reserve out," said Mike Larson, a real estate analyst at Weiss Research Inc. in Jupiter, Fla. "Investors are saying that the Fed can't just print money out of thin air to finance a massive deficit."
I know that there are the clueless and naive out there who still worship at the feet of the Messiah, are operating out of hope that there is some magic plan out there by the authorities that will deal with this and make it all better. Those people are clueless and hopeless and border on the delusional. Which is OK to a point, but don't complain that you can't find a decent job and probably will never be able to retire.
For those who are operating in reality however, we realize that this administration has taken a tough recession and for reasons of ideology have really put is in a bad position for many years to come.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:13:39am |
re: #227 BatGuano
What effect does one trillion dollars of fiat money have on inflation?
Given that fact that this administration has no clue what it is doing economically, get ready for double digit inflation.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:14:30am |
re: #226 BatGuano
We're a diverse bunch here nd I wouldn't have it any other way (my own opinion).
I'd describe the blog/commenters as trending center/right, overall, but there's an astonishing array of opinions and a very high tolerance of divergent opinions. Also a uniformly high quality to the opinions, on whatever side of any ideological lines. It's really the best blog on the internet for political discussion, due in no small part to Charles' diligence in policing the threads. Any comment thread that is unmoderated, on any blog, eventually devolves into a cesspool whether it's on the left or the right. Charles keeps that from happening here.
I wish more people on the left read here; they'd find much to agree with and much to make them think. And some people here would be surprised to discover how much we can all agree on. My own opinion also.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:14:34am |
re: #233 3 wood
Given that fact that this administration has no clue what it is doing economically, get ready for double digit inflation.
That is what i was afraid of.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:17:53am |
re: #232 3 wood
If it's not too much to ask, if you were in charge of economics at the time this was starting to snowball...what would you/should we have done?
/does not like to criticize without offering a substantial alternative :x
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:19:51am |
re: #230 spidly
Well hell, I'm mostly a liberal in the real sense. Is Iceweasel an "I decide what you eat, earn, give, take, learn, believe..." illiberal type of liberal, or a real classical liberal?
Depends what you mean by 'classical liberal'. :) A lot of times that's code word for libertarian or something else.
I'm about as far to the left on social issues as you can find, but I'm not interesting in telling other people what they can and can't do. Also I'm pretty open on fiscal conservatism. And pretty ignorant about it, so open to learn.
It's a shame that our current conservatism wouldn't be recognised as such by Goldwater, etc. I'd like to see a return to real conservative roots for the GOP, as I think it'd be better for that party and better for the nation.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:21:56am |
re: #236 BatGuano
Sorry, I was catching up. I've got some kind of network issue at the moment complicating things--everything is running verrrry slowly this am for me--reloading pages, etc.
Answered above--
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freetoken Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:22:41am |
Speaking of ideologies, I see the Drudge headline:
USA MOVES LEFT, EU GOES RIGHT
Which is rather deceptive. Other than some of the xenophobic parties which picked up a few seats here and there, what is considered "right" in the EU would be considered by many here in the US to be socialist. The EU "right" parties are somewhat equivalent to Bill Clinton in political theory and practice in regards to budgets, etc.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:23:22am |
re: #239 iceweasel
This idea's been bumping in my head for a while though...given that the Democrats are still generally to the right on certain social issues as well, wouldn't it be more proper to have a more left-leaning party form where the GOP is fading out?
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:26:02am |
re: #240 lazardo
I don't know what you mean. I'm sometimes a little naive.
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:27:26am |
re: #232 3 wood
Indeed. The sad part is, many Americans judge a president based solely on popularity, not on accomplishments.
The only thing this manchild has accomplished, is ruining our economy, destroying trillions in wealth, and burdening future generations.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:31:21am |
Get out the barf bag. The New York Times has a piece onhow brilliant the Obama economic team is:
Obama’s Economic Circle Keeps Tensions Simmering
By all accounts, much of the tension derives from the president’s choice of the brilliant but sometimes supercilious Mr. Summers to be the director of the National Economic Council, making him the policy impresario of the team.
Brilliant? It takes a special kind of thinking to believe you can spend your way out of debt.
Then we hear about how hard they work:
As messy as the process has sometimes been, officials say Mr. Summers and his colleagues have worked through their differences. Often arriving and leaving in the dark, sustained by coffee and the Diet Cokes that fill Mr. Summers’s office refrigerator, they have produced in six months an array of economic rescue plans that would be daunting if spread over six years. With those, and the Fed’s efforts, the economy shows signs of new life.
Daunting? Oh please. All they are doing is spending money that we don't have. I guess you have to understand that this is being written by socialists, so par for the course.
Then we get told how "brillinat" they are again.
“You can’t assemble a group of really brilliant people, and deal with some of the most complex problems in our lifetimes and not have disagreements,” said David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s senior political strategist who, with the White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, plays a big role in mediating among the economic advisers and helps shape the decisions.
Ever notice how lefties see everyone they agree with as "brilliant"? That is why the then label those who disagree as being dumb. But I digress, here's more of that "brilliant" word:
“Larry Summers is one of the world’s most brilliant economists,” said Mr. Orszag, who along with Mr. Geithner, successfully resisted Mr. Summers’s attempts early on to control their access to Mr. Obama. “He enriches any discussion he participates in, which is particularly valuable given the complexity and importance of the challenges currently facing us.”
I think they will need to widen the entrance to the White House so this administration can get their heads inside the door.
In the meantime, the bond market is in crisis, but don;t bother these "brilliant" people with little bits of reality like that.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:31:58am |
re: #233 3 wood
Given that fact that this administration has no clue what it is doing economically, get ready for double digit inflation.
I mean, is there any chance this DOESNT happen?
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freetoken Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:32:56am |
In the spinoffs I put up a link to BBC blogger Mark Mardell, who summarizes the far right wins in the EU elections:
[...]Long before I came to Brussels, certain Labour MPs were telling me how worried they were about the BNP. These were the same people who, as ministers, came up with the toughest rhetoric on the perils of too much immigration and too little integration.
The hard right may try to form a new group in the European Parliament - until all the results are in it is not easy to say if they will do so. I somehow doubt it. But even if they did, they would have little influence on legislation or even debate. Their real importance is that their election gives politicians from bigger parties a huge scare, and pushes the mainstream towards are tougher line.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:35:43am |
re: #243 lazardo
This idea's been bumping in my head for a while though...given that the Democrats are still generally to the right on certain social issues as well, wouldn't it be more proper to have a more left-leaning party form where the GOP is fading out?
Absolutely. In my opinion the GOP made an unholy alliance back during reagan republicanism-- they allied themselves with the religious right in order to secure a majority. That worked for them for a long time--they'd blow the dog whistle and those voters would come running, whether it was about gay marriage or abortion or whatever.
The culture wars are over though, like it or not. Abortion is legal and will remain so. We are steadily moving towards an acceptance of gay marriage. Gay sex has been decriminalized. Most important--the demographic shifts we can expect over the next 20 years. These issues simply aren't as important to the younger voters--even the younger Christian evangelicals have much more of a 'live and let live' attitude towards homosexuality now.
The latest polls show that the GOP has lost across all demographic groups *except* older white conservative Christians. They've been responding to their electoral losses by doubling down on the crazy, for the most part--appealing to that base, rather than trying to forge a new party that could pull back some of the independents and moderates.
In my opinion that's a recipe for becoming the party of the permanent minority.
Seem to me the only sensible strategy at this point is for the GOP to give up on pandering to the social conservatives. They're dying out--literally and figuratively. Yet the GOP seems to be sticking to the old rule book, and hasn't quite grasped how the world has changed.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:36:24am |
re: #245 lazardo
Damn my connection, I wanted to post that!
No one expects the Spanish inquisition. :(
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:36:57am |
re: #237 lazardo
If it's not too much to ask, if you were in charge of economics at the time this was starting to snowball...what would you/should we have done?/does not like to criticize without offering a substantial alternative :x
I've posted my prescription many times, but I don't mind doing it again.
1. Cut capital gains tax to zero for at least the next 2 years.
2. Cut income taxes.
3. Cut discretionary spending.
4. No stimulus bill, no bailouts of the auto industry.
5. Stabilize the banking system and then take my hands off the private sector.
6. Work with the SEC to reinstate the uptick rule on short selling, require credit default swaps to have assets set aside to back them up, and eliminate mark to market permanently.
That would be a good start.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:37:32am |
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:40:33am |
re: #259 3 wood
Not now, no.
So how are people going around allowing/supporting this crap? I mean, I know why, it's mostly a rhetorical question, but I'm just trying to grasp my head around this as a 21 year old. If this situation of huge inflation is going to occur, and given the historical results of the practices we're employing, how could ANYONE justify it?
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:42:32am |
re: #246 rightside
The only thing this manchild has accomplished, is ruining our economy, destroying trillions in wealth, and burdening future generations.
And that is in less than 6 months.
I would also ad to that list that he has shown the terrorists around the world that he will apologize for and blame America for just about anything.
Which is exactly what the left likes these days.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:48:30am |
Later. re: #260 TheMatrix31
So how are people going around allowing/supporting this crap? I mean, I know why, it's mostly a rhetorical question, but I'm just trying to grasp my head around this as a 21 year old. If this situation of huge inflation is going to occur, and given the historical results of the practices we're employing, how could ANYONE justify it?
Cause many people avoid dealing with reality if the consequences are not immediate. Since inflation takes some tome to get going, they delude themselves into thinking it may not happen this time.
Why do some people overeat to the point of morbid obesity? Cause they don't put on the weight overnight. The consequences take time to hit, so they con themselves that it's really not that bad.
Also, there are the willfully ignorant out there who will support politicians on anything because of ideology.
I get a grin out of how some of the most ardent Obama supporters I have run into these days are also atheists.
They don't realize that they are operating on faith themselves.
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spidly Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:50:20am |
re: #239 iceweasel
well, liberal used to mean laissez faire economically; when it comes to mean libertine, not so much maybe, but open at any rate. Liberal these days is almost exclusively "libertine" and then only sexually or pharmaceutically (as long as the drugs produce intoxication); any other physical vice ist verbotten!
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:50:31am |
re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Get me a cup? I can't move.
I'll just hook up the hose. that sound ok?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:50:49am |
re: #263 3 wood
Later.
Cause many people avoid dealing with reality if the consequences are not immediate. Since inflation takes some tome to get going, they delude themselves into thinking it may not happen this time.
Why do some people overeat to the point of morbid obesity? Cause they don't put on the weight overnight. The consequences take time to hit, so they con themselves that it's really not that bad.
Also, there are the willfully ignorant out there who will support politicians on anything because of ideology.
I get a grin out of how some of the most ardent Obama supporters I have run into these days are also atheists.
They don't realize that they are operating on faith themselves.
That's an excellent analogy, and quite funny about the atheist bit.
Always enjoy your posts, 3, I hope you have a great day.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:51:43am |
re: #263 3 wood
I get a grin out of how some of the most ardent Obama supporters I have run into these days are also atheists.
They don't realize that they are operating on faith themselves.
Lemme guess, the type of snarky, facebook-DeviantArt atheists that proudly scoff at how religion is backward and causes nothing but Bush and jihad and impediments to scientific progress.
Oh, wait. XD
/also, thanks for the "recipe." I'll greenheart it for reference. >_>
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:56:52am |
re: #267 Mithrax
Not to hot! Don't wanna burn my vajayjay!
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:57:47am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:58:15am |
re: #266 spidly
I can see some truth to what you're saying, for sure- but I'd argue that a lot (not all) of the people who are liberal on social issues are responding to a core American principle that we can find on the conservative side and running through moderates and independents as well: a kind of stubborn commitment to individual rights and privacy. Like not caring what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own homes, not believing that the government should be interfering with personal liberties, believing to a large extent that the government that governs best is that which governs least...
The current political parties tend to distort much that we all have in common, I think, and it becomes easy to polarise the debate and demonise the other side in ways that aren't really reflective of what people believe.
I think that's why an increasing number of people identify as (and register as) Independent: we recognise that the existing polemical system doesn't fully describe us, nor is it conducive to furthering discussion.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:59:17am |
I played basketball yesterday with 7 high school guys for two hours.
Really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really sore.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:59:45am |
re: #271 Mithrax
Sorry. Old McDonalds reference.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:01:30am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:01:32am |
re: #274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sorry. Old McDonalds reference.
Old McDonald had a vajayjay.
eeeiii, eeeiii, ooooo?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:03:37am |
re: #276 Walter L. Newton
That the new skinny Walter?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:04:37am |
re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That the new skinny Walter?
Yes. The other picture I had been using was from 2002.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:06:27am |
re: #279 Walter L. Newton
Always assumed I'd recognize you if I met you. I was wrong! How you doing?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:13:27am |
re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Always assumed I'd recognize you if I met you. I was wrong! How you doing?
Busy. It's our crossover two week period. We close our current show a week ago Sunday, tore the set down, put up the new one that night.
Two days ago, Sat., had a John Denver tribute concert with John Adams from Holland, a former friend of Denver's and who has been doing a tribute act for about 30 years. I hate John Denver, can't get some of those songs out of my head now.
Had a day to myself yesterday, so my girlfriend invited some friends up to her house (in the Rocky Mountains, about 23 west of me in Golden) and we had a nice lunch and then took a couple of miles walk.
I have to be down to the theatre in about 45 minutes. We have to move the lobby furniture all out of the lobby. He had a carpet company coming in to replace a bunch of our carpet over the next three days.
We open a new show Friday. Carpet replacement during tech week is not my idea of a good plan, but the producer insisted it be this week. So, I'm crossing my fingers that nothing happens.
And of course, we have dress rehearsals every night this week.
As I said, busy.
You?
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:17:13am |
The top twelve indicators that the economy is bad--
12. CEO's are now playing miniature golf.
11. I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail.
10. I went to buy a toaster oven and they gave me a bank.
9. Hotwheels and Matchbox car companies are now trading higher than GM in the stock market.
8. Obama met with small businesses - GE, Pfizer, Chrysler, Citigroup and
GM, to discuss the Stimulus Package.
7. McDonalds is selling the 1/4 ouncer.
6 People in Beverly Hills fired their nannies and are learning their
children's names.
5. The most highly-paid job is now jury duty.
4. People in Africa are donating money to Americans. Mothers in Ethiopia
are telling their kids, "finish your plate; do you know how many kids are
starving in America?"
3. Motel Six won't leave the lights on.
2. The Mafia is laying off judges.
And my most favorite indicator of all.
1. If the bank returns your check marked as "insufficient funds," you have
to call them and ask if they meant you or them.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:21:21am |
re: #282 rightside
Those are brilliant! did you make them up?
I'm laughing on the outside, but crying on the inside because it's so true.
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Areozol Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:22:16am |
In my country EU-voting had tremendously low turnout: 24,53%.
[Link: translate.google.pl...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:23:35am |
re: #281 Walter L. Newton
Business stinks. But, I'm good.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:25:38am |
re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Business stinks. But, I'm good.
Well, you should do real good with that kitchen design you did a week ago, where the owner wasn't even going to be there to meet you. Heck, you can charge then for all sorts of stuff, right? :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:27:05am |
Great. I am enthused. Guy running for Delegate here in Roanoke. Commercial is on the air right now.
Josh Johnson
Improve our schools
Address our transportation problem
Attract more jobs...
Well, at least he has a brand new vision for a political campaign.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:27:57am |
Good morning all. Obama now going to fix the health care system.
This can't be good, he should stay in Europe.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:30:51am |
re: #286 Walter L. Newton
Oh don't get me started! (okay, I'm started)... was at that appointment for 6 minutes.
Talked to the customer on the phone. She had gotten a ridiculously high quote to replace the kitchen in the house that she owns but her dead-beat brother lives in. Was hoping we could beat the price.
How much was the quote (keeping in mind that a major kitchen remodel in the US runs from 12K to 100K) you ask?
2,800.00.
I disappeared myself within 10 seconds of hanging up with the lady.
2 hours. Each way.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:35:09am |
Good Morning Lizards and I want to say congratulations to the Nashoba Regional High School class of 2009 and to my favorite class member my son Daniel John. Graduation was yesterday at 1 PM. At about 2:30 the ceremony was over and soxfan4life let out a long sigh of relief because I wasn't sure he was going to make it right up to the last minute.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:35:56am |
re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh don't get me started! (okay, I'm started)... was at that appointment for 6 minutes.
Talked to the customer on the phone. She had gotten a ridiculously high quote to replace the kitchen in the house that she owns but her dead-beat brother lives in. Was hoping we could beat the price.
How much was the quote (keeping in mind that a major kitchen remodel in the US runs from 12K to 100K) you ask?
2,800.00.
I disappeared myself within 10 seconds of hanging up with the lady.
2 hours. Each way.
Geeeesssshhhh, what a maroon.
I'm out of here, back later maybe.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:36:05am |
re: #288 opnion
Good morning all. Obama now going to fix the health care system.
This can't be good, he should stay in Europe.
I wish the SOB would have stayed in Chicago.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:38:10am |
I am going to the gym for more punishment. I'm gonna be so damn sexy! (But not "Walter" sexy. I'll never put my picture on an avatar.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:38:52am |
re: #292 soxfan4life
My daughter 11:00 tomorrow.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:39:34am |
re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My daughter 11:00 tomorrow.
Well congratulations to you and her both.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:40:10am |
re: #294 soxfan4life
I wish the SOB would have stayed in Chicago.
He just moved Chicago East to D.C.
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:40:47am |
re: #292 soxfan4life
Our son's graduation is this Saturday. They grow so fast.
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Big Steve Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:42:11am |
Warning......totally sexist comment coming.....
I am sorry but Carla Bruni-Sarkozy totally kicks Michelle Obama's ass in the looks department....First Ladies at D-Day
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:43:07am |
Morning everyone. Did we already talk about the girl who single-handedly won the Texas High School Track Championship?
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:44:27am |
Michelle Malkin reporting that the two imprisoned American journalists captured in NK have been sentenced t 12 years at hard labor.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:45:20am |
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:45:23am |
re: #300 rightside
Our son's graduation is this Saturday. They grow so fast.
Yes they do, I remember holding him in the palm of my hand when he was born 10 weeks premature like it was just last week and now me at 6 ft tall, I have to look up to look him in the eye. Congrats to your son and to you as well.
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badger1970 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:45:34am |
re: #298 opnion
So true, except where are they going to go for summer vacation instead of Lake Geneva, WI?
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:46:28am |
re: #305 ConservatismNow!
Yep. NK is looking for a fight.
Not going to get one from President Milquetoast Hussein 0bama.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:46:49am |
re: #303 ConservatismNow!
That's cool! Thanks for posting it. Hadn't heard about her.
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Big Steve Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:47:00am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She's got a whole Audrey Hepburn thing going on.
You are correct sir!
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:47:28am |
re: #305 ConservatismNow!
Yep. NK is looking for a fight.
They might be retaliating for the blow back on their nuclear tests.
These women look like pawns.
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Areozol Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:47:53am |
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:49:28am |
re: #308 badger1970
So true, except where are they going to go for summer vacation instead of Lake Geneva, WI?
Back to Hawaii. I was in Lake Geneva last Sunday, Popeyes for lunch.
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:49:45am |
re: #313 opnion
Being a reporter in a hostile foreign country sounds like a really bad idea. You are either an unwitting pawn for the host country or you are a spy for Amerikkka.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:50:56am |
re: #302 Big Steve
Nothing to be sorry for. I don't think that's a sexist comment in any way. Carla Bruni was a supermodel and one of the twenty most highly paid supermodels in the world in the 90's.
It'd be surprising if any first lady/female head of state could even come close to her, frankly.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:51:35am |
re: #316 ConservatismNow!
Being a reporter in a hostile foreign country sounds like a really bad idea. You are either an unwitting pawn for the host country or you are a spy for Amerikkka.
The kicker is that they work for Al Gore.
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badger1970 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:53:08am |
re: #315 opnion
The joke was that Lake Geneva changed their zip code after Memorial Day. There and Door County might as well been North Illinois.
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RebelDebater Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:53:31am |
Hey so does anyone wanna post links to article about whether or not we should normalize relations with cuba? It would be most appreciated since we are so OT anyway :D
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:54:26am |
re: #302 Big Steve
Warning......totally sexist comment coming.....
I am sorry but Carla Bruni-Sarkozy totally kicks Michelle Obama's ass in the looks department....First Ladies at D-Day
Cross your legs at the ankles, WAB.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:56:07am |
re: #319 badger1970
The joke was that Lake Geneva changed their zip code after Memorial Day. There and Door County might as well been North Illinois.
Pretty much, except they're still packe backers.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:58:43am |
re: #320 RebelDebater
Hey so does anyone wanna post links to article about whether or not we should normalize relations with cuba? It would be most appreciated since we are so OT anyway :D
This is an OOT. No way to go OT.
That said, Castro can kiss my ass.
Their downfall came simply and swiftly, lured by a stranger who offered Myers a cigar.
Obama administration officials say Kendall Myers had access to highly sensitive material while working for the State Department's intelligence arm, and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has ordered a damage assessment of what the couple may have revealed. Their methods of communicating with the Cubans included Morse code on shortwave radio, changing shopping carts at the grocery store and a face-to-face meeting with President Fidel Castro himself, court documents say.
David Kris, assistant attorney general for national security, described the couple's alleged spying for the communist government as "incredibly serious."
State Department officials say Kendall Myers had been under investigation for three years, since before he retired in 2007. The FBI made its move on him on April 15, on the street outside the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in Washington, where he had gotten a doctorate and taught classes.
An undercover agent approached Kendall Myers, claiming to be an associate of his Cuban handler, according to a law enforcement official speaking on a condition of anonymity about the ongoing investigation. The agent offered Kendall Myers a cigar and birthday wishes since he turned 72 that day and proposed they meet at a Washington hotel later that night. The ruse worked, and Kendall Myers said he'd bring along his wife, Gwendolyn Steingraber Myers.
SNIP
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:58:55am |
re: #302 Big Steve
Warning......totally sexist comment coming.....
I am sorry but Carla Bruni-Sarkozy totally kicks Michelle Obama's ass in the looks department....First Ladies at D-Day
The media keeps on selling the idea that Michelle is a glamorous first lady, like Jackie Kennedy. It is just such a stretch.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:02:07am |
re: #254 iceweasel
We are steadily moving towards an acceptance of gay marriage. Gay sex has been decriminalized. .
IMO, part of the reason that the rhetoric about same-sex marriage can get so overheated on the gay side is that a lot of activists tend to approach the issue as if it were the same problem as trying to decriminalize sodomy. For that matter, in the older ranks of gay activists, there are still plenty of people who cut their political teeth protesting against police harassment of gay bars.
They are, in short, still mentally stuck in the mode of "fighting for our right to be left alone by the gummint," which simply isn't applicable to the current marriage debate.
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:02:48am |
re: #324 opnion
The media keeps on selling the idea that Michelle is a glamorous first lady, like Jackie Kennedy. It is just such a stretch.
I miss Laura.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:03:15am |
re: #316 ConservatismNow!
Being a reporter in a hostile foreign country sounds like a really bad idea. You are either an unwitting pawn for the host country or you are a spy for Amerikkka.
Not to worry.
The news just said that the White House issued a strongly worded statement.
That should take care of it.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:03:35am |
re: #324 opnion
The media keeps on selling the idea that Michelle is a glamorous first lady, like Jackie Kennedy. It is just such a stretch.
An excellent argument for National Vision Care.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:04:18am |
re: #324 opnion
The media keeps on selling the idea that Michelle is a glamorous first lady, like Jackie Kennedy. It is just such a stretch.
They completely missed Laura Bush. Thought she was major league classy.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:04:34am |
re: #304 opnion
Michelle Malkin reporting that the two imprisoned American journalists captured in NK have been sentenced t 12 years at hard labor.
Bill Richardson likely to negotiate their release.
Seriously.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:04:44am |
re: #326 ConservatismNow!
I miss Laura.
She was a great image of a First lady to the rest of the world.
Even while W got mauled, Laura Bush remained popular.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:05:37am |
re: #324 opnion
The media keeps on selling the idea that Michelle is a glamorous first lady, like Jackie Kennedy. It is just such a stretch.
Look at that second photograph. That leg is sticking out there like some kind of crank for a machine.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:06:45am |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They completely missed Laura Bush. Thought she was major league classy.
Yup
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:07:21am |
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:07:45am |
re: #331 opnion
She was a great image of a First lady to the rest of the world.
Even while W got mauled, Laura Bush remained popular.
It was really only the sleaze tabloids that attacked her. And she championed some good causes too. Literacy is a pretty inoffensive cause, unless it's on the Internet.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:08:22am |
re: #332 MandyManners
Look at that second photograph. That leg is sticking out there like some kind of crank for a machine.
She is who she is. I think that her foul disposition shows.
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Big Steve Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:08:33am |
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:09:33am |
re: #335 ConservatismNow!
It was really only the sleaze tabloids that attacked her. And she championed some good causes too. Literacy is a pretty inoffensive cause, unless it's on the Internet.
She did a nice job.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:09:53am |
re: #325 Throbert McGee
Yes, I'd completely agree. Similarly many of the original activists for gay rights came of age or came to their political awakening in the days of ACT-UP and the beginnings of the devastation of AIDS, at the time when it was still being called "GRID" (gay-related immune deficiency) and was being criminally neglected. This meant a siege mentality.
Things have changed but many are still marching to the old tunes and waging the old battles, even though the battlelines have moved forward.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:11:02am |
re: #325 Throbert McGee
IMO, part of the reason that the rhetoric about same-sex marriage can get so overheated on the gay side is that a lot of activists tend to approach the issue as if it were the same problem as trying to decriminalize sodomy. For that matter, in the older ranks of gay activists, there are still plenty of people who cut their political teeth protesting against police harassment of gay bars.
They are, in short, still mentally stuck in the mode of "fighting for our right to be left alone by the gummint," which simply isn't applicable to the current marriage debate.
You have a good point.
If I may, let me throw this in: There are many, many people who have an objection, primarily for religious reasons, to the term "marriage" being applied to same sex couples, but who have no objection WHATSOEVER to some sort of process or system of of contractual civil unions for same-sex couples. As a civil matter, this is what marriage comes to - a contractual union.
I'm one of those people. And imo, the solution would be to take the "state" out of the marriage business entirely. Couples wanting a civil union would apply to the state for that; and as a separate process, couples who additionally want their union sanctioned by their faith's marriage ceremony and requirements, would get married in their church.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:11:24am |
re: #336 opnion
She is who she is. I think that her foul disposition shows.
To me, that photograph shows her entitled mind set.
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Big Steve Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:11:43am |
re: #332 MandyManners
Look at that second photograph. That leg is sticking out there like some kind of crank for a machine.
Did you see that Drudge blew up the head shot of pic #4 the shows Michelle scowling at Carla.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:12:16am |
re: #341 MandyManners
To me, that photograph shows her entitled mind set.
She has always felt entitledm, yet bitter.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:12:54am |
re: #342 Big Steve
Did you see that Drudge blew up the head shot of pic #4 the shows Michelle scowling at Carla.
" hate that white woman."
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:13:10am |
re: #332 MandyManners
Look at that second photograph. That leg is sticking out there like some kind of crank for a machine.
It is not attractive at all, that's for sure.
She needs to learn to cross her ankles instead.
Or, do whatever she needs to do to slim down so that she can cross her legs without the leg sticking out like that.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:13:49am |
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:14:44am |
re: #340 reine.de.tout
You have a good point.
If I may, let me throw this in: There are many, many people who have an objection, primarily for religious reasons, to the term "marriage" being applied to same sex couples, but who have no objection WHATSOEVER to some sort of process or system of of contractual civil unions for same-sex couples. As a civil matter, this is what marriage comes to - a contractual union.
Might I counter though that civil unions, as of recently, are not entitled to the same rights as actual "church-marriage."
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:15:17am |
re: #342 Big Steve
Did you see that Drudge blew up the head shot of pic #4 the shows Michelle scowling at Carla.
I missed that.
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Big Steve Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:16:01am |
re: #345 reine.de.tout
It is not attractive at all, that's for sure.
She needs to learn to cross her ankles instead.
Or, do whatever she needs to do to slim down so that she can cross her legs without the leg sticking out like that.
Do you ladies get taught this stuff? I ask this innocently. Because her leg sticking out was something I would not have noticed in a million years unless you and Mandy had mentioned it. Why is crossing the legs at the ankle better?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:16:04am |
re: #347 lazardo
Might I counter though that civil unions, as of recently, are not entitled to the same rights as actual "church-marriage."
You may indeed counter.
Could that not be changed?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:16:12am |
re: #345 reine.de.tout
It is not attractive at all, that's for sure.
She needs to learn to cross her ankles instead.
Or, do whatever she needs to do to slim down so that she can cross her legs without the leg sticking out like that.
She's not fat. She's in good shape.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:16:21am |
Good morning all.
The Grand Unification Theory of Sucking
Tax and spend proggies will always be tax and spend proggies. No matter how much hope and change gravy you pour over it.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:17:35am |
re: #351 reine.de.tout
You may indeed counter.
Could that not be changed?
It could, but that would probably stoke the fires of the fundamentalists who still have the clout to fight the so-called "devaluing of marriage." That, as well as the activists who say that it's not really "marriage."
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:17:58am |
re: #350 Big Steve
Do you ladies get taught this stuff? I ask this innocently. Because her leg sticking out was something I would not have noticed in a million years unless you and Mandy had mentioned it. Why is crossing the legs at the ankle better?
Yes, we get taught this stuff! Esp. us suthren belles.
How to walk and sit in a lady-like manner.
And it is more ladylike to cross your ankles.
And if you cross your legs at the knees, the top leg should not stick out like that, but should drape down close to the bottom leg (see how Carla Bruni is doing it in the same photo).
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:17:58am |
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:18:02am |
re: #342 Big Steve
I enjoy dissing the WAB as much as any lizard, but does that photo really show the true feeling between those two people (not that it even matters anyway)?
When the Obama's visited France a few weeks ago, Michelle gave Carla a Gibson guitar which was reported to have greatly impressed Carla, who is a guitarist and recording star in France.
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pingjockey Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:18:34am |
re: #354 rightside
Right!
Did our Pali apologist get bounced yesterday?
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:18:37am |
re: #358 Kenneth
From one celebrity to another, in the spirit of friendly (as it were) competition. q;
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:19:28am |
re: #347 lazardo
Might I counter though that civil unions, as of recently, are not entitled to the same rights as actual "church-marriage."
That depends on the jurisdiction. In most states, civil-unions have identical rights and obligations as marriages , except that the couple cannot use the word "marriage". The distinction is rather silly.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:19:48am |
re: #353 FrogMarch
Good morning all.
The Grand Unification Theory of SuckingTax and spend proggies will always be tax and spend proggies. No matter how much hope and change gravy you pour over it.
Come October when gas prices have not dropped and the economy gets crippled by this, how is the FCBBHO going to blame Bush when gas was under $2 a gallon on 1/20/2009?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:19:51am |
re: #355 lazardo
It could, but that would probably stoke the fires of the fundamentalists who still have the clout to fight the so-called "devaluing of marriage." That, as well as the activists who say that it's not really "marriage."
Well, all those things might indeed happen, life's not perfect.
But I am willing to bet that there are many more folks who would be OK with that sort of an arrangement than not, and same-sex couples could then have similar benefits and rights from and toward each other as heterosexual couples. And that, in my opinion, would only be right.
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:19:58am |
re: #359 pingjockey
I don't know shipmate, I wasn't here to see it.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:19:58am |
re: #356 reine.de.tout
Yes, we get taught this stuff! Esp. us suthren belles.
How to walk and sit in a lady-like manner.
And it is more ladylike to cross your ankles.
And if you cross your legs at the knees, the top leg should not stick out like that, but should drape down close to the bottom leg (see how Carla Bruni is doing it in the same photo).
She's slouching, too.
*purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:20:24am |
Good morning y'all - from a warm (67 degrees going up to 88 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I sure hope everyone is doing well today.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:20:36am |
Gotta' take The Kid to golf camp. bbiab
FORE!
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:21:17am |
re: #363 reine.de.tout
If they really want to feel like a married couple, they can pay the marriage penalty on their taxes!
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pingjockey Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:22:34am |
re: #366 realwest
Back atcha! Supposed to be 80 and clear here. We had t-storms off and on all weekend. Luckily no fires, so far. Still damp up in the mountains.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:23:33am |
re: #321 MandyManners
Cross your legs at the ankles, WAB.
To be fair, Carla's legs are crossed at the knee, too. Of course, Carla's leg is tucked back, which is, again to be fair, easier to to if you calves aren't as thick as a country hams.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:23:50am |
re: #366 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a warm (67 degrees going up to 88 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I sure hope everyone is doing well today.
Mornin' RW .... Hope I didn't piss you off yesterday ... I was just fooling around with that karma stuff. Do you think China is once again using north korea to probe Obama's weaknesses and lay the groundwork for future challenges? It sure looks like that to me.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:23:52am |
re: #368 rightside
They want to! They also want the other rights/duties/privileges of legal marriage, like health care, hospital visitation, inheritance.
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:24:08am |
re: #372 Kenneth
Thanks for the laugh, and the mental image.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:24:44am |
re: #353 FrogMarch
Here’s the missing context: The Obama people are the ones making it worse, those stupid idiot dumb-dumbs. What, with the printing of the money, the driving up of the interest rates, and the impending raising of the taxes.Look. When you hire an employee, you’re betting on the future. You’re betting your own money that there will be enough new business to justify your new hire. And to put a human face on it, you’re making a commitment to another human being who will be counting on the power of your judgment to put food on his table.
Are you going to take that risk and make that commitment when the dumb-dumbs are in charge?
Answer? NO. But then, we are the stupid dumb dumbs for thinking our bright shiny new leader would be any different than any standard cookie cutter tax & spend lefty-socialist.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:24:50am |
re: #371 pingjockey
Ah, now 80 degrees is just right - 88 or higher, not so much! LOL!
Glad to hear you're doing well my friend. For some reason my lower abdomen and lower back are very sore this morning.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:25:04am |
Good Morning LGF.
Here's an interesting link to a site called Newseum which allows you to browse newspaper front pages around the world with a map and a mouse click. It also allows you to log on to the newspaper web site.
[Link: www.newseum.org...]
Pretty hot - enjoy.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:25:10am |
Last update - 13:50 08/06/2009
U.S. envoy: Obama wants 'immediate' Mideast talks
By Reuters
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
And I want the body I had when I was 20?
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:25:24am |
re: #363 reine.de.tout
The Alaska legislature attempted to pass a bill which would have denied benefits to same-sex couples. To her great credit, Governor Palin vetoed the bill saying it was unconstitutional.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:25:52am |
re: #362 soxfan4life
Come October when gas prices have not dropped and the economy gets crippled by this, how is the FCBBHO going to blame Bush when gas was under $2 a gallon on 1/20/2009?
Rhetorical flourishes and a heavenly sounding hissed sssss's teleprompter speech.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:26:09am |
re: #379 Spare O'Lake
Good Morning LGF.
Here's an interesting link to a site called Newseum which allows you to browse newspaper front pages around the world with a map and a mouse click. It also allows you to log on to the newspaper web site.
[Link: www.newseum.org...]
Pretty hot - enjoy.
Thanks. I bookmarked it
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:26:20am |
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:27:22am |
re: #375 iceweasel
I say give it to them. I don't care what they do, unless they infringe on my rights.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:27:54am |
re: #385 reine.de.tout
I am trying not to be toooooo bitchy, ...but with the media's embarrassing "Obamadulation" I find it too hard to resist a jab now and then.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:28:02am |
re: #375 iceweasel
They want to! They also want the other rights/duties/privileges of legal marriage, like health care, hospital visitation, inheritance.
Couples who are long-term committed should indeed have those rights/duties/privileges, imo.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:29:18am |
re: #388 Kenneth
I am trying not to be toooooo bitchy, ...but with the media's embarrassing "Obamadulation" I find it too hard to resist a jab now and then.
"Obamadulation" ... you should take a bow for that one.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:29:27am |
re: #388 Kenneth
I am trying not to be toooooo bitchy, ...but with the media's embarrassing "Obamadulation" I find it too hard to resist a jab now and then.
I find it hard to resist a jab, myself. It's silly, I know, particularly since I actually find Michelle O to be a fairly attractive woman (boos and hisses will be accepted), with, of course, the flaws that I enjoy taking jabs at.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:29:54am |
re: #386 rightside
Same here. I think the issue has been obscured by a lot of confusion, where the religious think that legalisation would somehow mean that they'd have to perform gay weddings in their own church, and that's simply not so.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:29:55am |
re: #374 _RememberTonyC
Hey - y'all didn't piss me off at all! And I don't think China is using NORK for anything, I seriously think NORK is out-of-control and that the Chinese have fooled themselves into believing that they can push NORK into whatever they want.
Just remember, while China is a huge nation with a huge military, the NORKS have more than 3 times as many Army personnel (over 1,000,000 men at last count) than the USA does in all of it's armed forces put together!
And while we're waiting for someone to check my figures in Wiki or someplace, I'd say it'd be hard for China to deal with a Million Man armed force crossing IT'S borders, especially if the NORKS have, in fact, nukes that work and missiles that can deliver them.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:30:21am |
re: #379 Spare O'Lake
Good Morning LGF.
Here's an interesting link to a site called Newseum which allows you to browse newspaper front pages around the world with a map and a mouse click. It also allows you to log on to the newspaper web site.
[Link: www.newseum.org...]
Pretty hot - enjoy.
OOH!
Great site!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:30:26am |
Being just a smidge catty ain't we?
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pingjockey Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:30:30am |
re: #378 realwest
Were you laughing at something a lot yesterday?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:32:19am |
re: #389 reine.de.tout
I think so too; encouraging marriage is encouraging monogamy and stability. Goals the religious right would presumably support too.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:32:22am |
re: #393 realwest
Don't forget China is enjoying its indulgence in all the evil, bourgeois capitalism coming its way. Hell, there was an article on CNN International earlier describing how American Fast Food chains are prospering greatly in the Middle Kingdom.
/perhaps ironically, many urban Chinese also find it "healthier" to eat there than the local shops...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:32:40am |
To the gym...
Hurts just thinking about it.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:33:15am |
re: #393 realwest
Hey - y'all didn't piss me off at all! And I don't think China is using NORK for anything, I seriously think NORK is out-of-control and that the Chinese have fooled themselves into believing that they can push NORK into whatever they want.
Just remember, while China is a huge nation with a huge military, the NORKS have more than 3 times as many Army personnel (over 1,000,000 men at last count) than the USA does in all of it's armed forces put together!
And while we're waiting for someone to check my figures in Wiki or someplace, I'd say it'd be hard for China to deal with a Million Man armed force crossing IT'S borders, especially if the NORKS have, in fact, nukes that work and missiles that can deliver them.
thanks. great points. and they beg the question: "what will china do abput the norks and when?" Is there actually hope for actual US/china cooperation on this issue?
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:34:12am |
re: #396 pingjockey
I wish! Nope, started with my lower back, now it's my lower back and lower stomach. Back pain is nearly constant, stomach seems to be only when I get up from a sitting position and walk a few steps.
Ah crap, I don't need anything else to be wrong with me.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:35:40am |
re: #402 _RememberTonyC
China may have a trump card in the negotiations... US Debt. All that's needed are a few hints at dumping said debt to really turn the tables.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:35:40am |
re: #402 _RememberTonyC
Well I suppose there's always Hope - but I don't know the answer to that one - 'tis above my pay grade!
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:36:33am |
re: #399 iceweasel
The national divorce rate is near 50% IIRC, I would imagine it would be much the same after time with same sex couples. Just a guess.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:37:00am |
Mitchell, who is en route to the Middle East, said such talks were aimed at reaching "a comprehensive peace and normalization of relations" between Israel and its neighbors, which would also serve "the security interests of the United States."
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
I can't believe he actually said that out loud. I mean I know countries do what they believe to be in their own best interests, as the USA should. But there are a few points here. Forcing Israel to do something unwise is not necessarily in the "security interests" of the USA. And I am sure Israel is just feeling goose bumps up it's collective legs anticipating committing suicide in the "security interests" of the USA. I hope all my Liberal Jewish friends and family are feeling the love now?
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:37:35am |
re: #406 rightside
Who was it that said, "I think gay people should get married...and then be allowed to go through divorce like straight people" a few threads back?
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:37:51am |
re: #358 Kenneth
I enjoy dissing the WAB as much as any lizard, but does that photo really show the true feeling between those two people (not that it even matters anyway)?
When the Obama's visited France a few weeks ago, Michelle gave Carla a Gibson guitar which was reported to have greatly impressed Carla, who is a guitarist and recording star in France.
Good point. Also, there are many pictures from this past weekend in which the two women are embracing, smiling warmly at each other, talking in a way that seems animated, friendly, and genuine. If you take enough candid, unposed pictures of a person, you can catch him or her with almost any kind of expression.
Also, the idea that Michelle is an angry woman who thinks of herself as entitled to all kinds of deference is unwarranted and getting tired. Check out this video, in which she talks about the privilege of living in the White House and the obligation she feels to give kids from economonically shaky backgrounds a boost.
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:38:03am |
North Korea issues a "no sail warning"
Which former US president would park several aircraft carriers much closer than that?
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:38:38am |
re: #404 lazardo
Hey my friend, that's not really a trump card; suppose the US says "NO." Or in more diplo speak, "sure, just give us a while to print up all that money" [which of course would mean that China would get paid back in dollars that are worth MAYBE .50 cents of the dollars they used to buy those T-Bills. Or, not so drastically, simply says ok, but you are no long on our "Most Favored Nation" trading partner list. Go find another market for the crap you produce.
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:39:01am |
re: #408 lazardo
I have no idea, I'm not smart enough to comment on the other threads.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:39:29am |
re: #402 _RememberTonyC
While Kim Jong Il has twisted 0bama's tail, but I don't believe he is crazy enough to tangle with China, as China has given him cover for years.And with them holding so much of our debt, we have our hands tied trying to dictate anything to China.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:39:30am |
re: #406 rightside
That's what I'd guess too. The high divorce rate among heterosexuals is one reason why it seems very hypocritical to me to deny the institution to gay couples; there doesn't seem to be any reason to suppose the rate would be higher or lower for them.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:39:35am |
re: #391 reine.de.tout
I like Canadian PM Stephen Harper's wife, Laureen. She's smart, attractive and she rides a motorcycle.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:41:13am |
re: #406 rightside
Most family lawyers are delighted to get gay divorce cases: they mostly involve property settlements without all the nasty child custody disputes.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:41:33am |
re: #408 lazardo
LOL! Well I've said it a few times - don't know how recent the last one was!
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:41:36am |
lazardo & RW ... I think china could starve nk to death if it chose to. that is serious leverage. so if nk really is an outta' control rogue state, as opposed to a chinese puppet, the chinese could drop the hammer on them. I really think china has set nk up as a perfect surrogate to use against Obama. they have plausible deniability with a lot of risk free benefits. dontcha think china is closely looking at how BHO and Hillary handle this journalist sham trial with Ms Ling and the other lady?
Gotta head off to work .... will check back later.
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:42:23am |
re: #362 soxfan4life
Come October when gas prices have not dropped and the economy gets crippled by this, how is the FCBBHO going to blame Bush when gas was under $2 a gallon on 1/20/2009?
Because:
1. He never takes responsibility for anything.
2. The MSM and the left are in love with this guy and will swallow any line of malarkey he spouts.
The left was very successful blaming Bush for everything and they will keep it up until they lose elections.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:42:47am |
re: #416 rightside
The latest style, I guess. In the Harper family, she's the one with the fashion sense. Stephen... not so much.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:43:16am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
We're a pretty happy bunch in Wales today (well, all of us who aren't Labourites, that is!). This is the reason:
'Welsh Labour also suffered humiliation in the European elections, with the Conservatives topping the poll.
It is the first time since 1918 Labour has failed to come first in a Welsh election, as its vote dropped by 12%.'
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Labour was also shredded in Scotland, home of Gord, Tony and other assorted NuLab people. Wonder why that happened ....
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:43:21am |
re: #414 iceweasel
That's what I'd guess too. The high divorce rate among heterosexuals is one reason why it seems very hypocritical to me to deny the institution to gay couples; there doesn't seem to be any reason to suppose the rate would be higher or lower for them.
I like the idea of a church or JP being able to say no due to
their own beliefs. As well as photographers, DJ's caterers etc. If they are willing to turn away business in this economy due to their convictions they should not be subject to prosecution or any legal action.
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:43:31am |
re: #421 Kenneth
hotlink warning, can you post the link to the page instead please?
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:43:49am |
re: #420 3 woodHey, good morning my friend! How are you doing today?
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:44:08am |
re: #416 rightside
Is that the hem of her skirt, or her slip?
Ladies?
It's a feature, not a bug. Part of the design of her suit.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:44:20am |
I donned my bug shirt and went outside for a few minutes yesterday during a lull in the wind and rain.
When I glanced down at the back of my hand there were six mosquitoes happily standing there, neatly spaced in a line, with their beaks stuck into my hand and happily sucking my blood.
With one sweep of my other hand I killed them all - they couldn't pull out in time to fly away and so I broke their poor little necks.
DEATH TO ALL MOSQUITOES!
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:45:00am |
re: #416 rightside
Is that the hem of her skirt, or her slip?
Ladies?
Its the hem - having such lacy stuff at the bottom is considered somewhat fashionable in certain circles ...
| 429 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:45:06am |
re: #421 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth - hope all is well with you today. Your link led to something that says "Hotlinking is not cool"? What's up with that?
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:46:08am |
re: #420 3 wood
While he may not take the blame, and we know the MSM is really the propoganda arm of the DNC, will the average American buy it or send the Commie Bastrds packing?
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:46:37am |
re: #427 Spare O'Lake
I donned my bug shirt and went outside for a few minutes yesterday during a lull in the wind and rain.
When I glanced down at the back of my hand there were six mosquitoes happily standing there, neatly spaced in a line, with their beaks stuck into my hand and happily sucking my blood.
With one sweep of my other hand I killed them all - they couldn't pull out in time to fly away and so I broke their poor little necks.
DEATH TO ALL MOSQUITOES!
Well done!
I hate them b*ggers!
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:47:33am |
re: #423 soxfan4life
I like the idea of a church or JP being able to say no due to
their own beliefs. As well as photographers, DJ's caterers etc. If they are willing to turn away business in this economy due to their convictions they should not be subject to prosecution or any legal action.
No one is going to force churches to perform gay weddings; that isn't going to happen.
But photographers, DJ's, and caterers will be subject to discrimination lawsuits if they provide services to heterosexual couples and reject only same-sex couples-- just as they would be subject to such lawsuits if they discriminated against interracial couples.
It will be interesting to see if we wind up with a 'conscience clause' exception for JP's though, similar to the ones we talk about for pharmacists who don't want to provide birth control.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:48:21am |
re: #411 realwest
Hey my friend, that's not really a trump card; suppose the US says "NO." Or in more diplo speak, "sure, just give us a while to print up all that money" [which of course would mean that China would get paid back in dollars that are worth MAYBE .50 cents of the dollars they used to buy those T-Bills. Or, not so drastically, simply says ok, but you are no long on our "Most Favored Nation" trading partner list. Go find another market for the crap you produce.
Given that pretty much everything is "Made In China" in some form or another, China could reply by shrugging and giving its investment opportunities to other nations/groups like India, the Middle East and the EU.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:48:21am |
re: #422 yma o hyd
Hey, good afternoon {yma} that was indeed VERY good news!
How are you and Madame doing today?
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:48:51am |
re: #423 soxfan4life
I like the idea of a church or JP being able to say no due to
their own beliefs. As well as photographers, DJ's caterers etc. If they are willing to turn away business in this economy due to their convictions they should not be subject to prosecution or any legal action.
Churches do this all the time now. There is no law that requires a pastor or priest to marry a couple who, in the view of the cleric, do not meet the denominations standards for a marriage compatible w/ their religious views and values. Many priests and rabbis, for instance, do not conduct interfaith marriages. Many do, of course, but it's their choice.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:48:54am |
re: #429 realwest
No idea... it works fine for me.
Good morning to you too! I hope you are doing well today.
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:49:19am |
re: #433 Kenneth
OK, I'll take your word he's not the most dapper dresser. More like a foppish dandy.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:51:30am |
re: #432 iceweasel
Well if they build their business without government assistance they ought to be able to do what they please. And if they have such strong convictions they should not have to worry about being sued. Much like the protection Bush gave doctors who objected to abortion.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:51:35am |
re: #434 lazardo Uh, right now India is China's biggest opponent in the global trade wars, the ME has only oil, and the EU needs to produce stuff themselves, or they'll all wind up like France where, iirc, 51% of the people are on the dole and are being supported by the other 49%; a situation which clearly can't last for long.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:51:51am |
re: #436 JustMyView
It's a red-herring. Divorced non-Catholic will find it a hard time getting married in a Catholic church. It isn't discrimination, it's simply the rules for Catholics. How many gay couples will want to get married in a conservative evangelical church? About zero, I'm guessing.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:53:04am |
re: #435 realwest
Hey, good afternoon {yma} that was indeed VERY good news!
How are you and Madame doing today?
Hiya, {rw}!
Not too bad - I didn't stay up to watch the results coming in: too many 'talking heads' with the same mumbo-jumbo!
Madame prefers sleeping nowadays anyway, so while she doesn't Appreciate the historic result, she's happy as well ...
Oh - tis still cold and rainy here!
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:53:17am |
re: #437 Kenneth
Well, I've been better I'm afraid. Lower back and lower abdomen hurt pretty badly and I've no idea why, pretty sure (as in 99%) that it's not the cancer.
Just fun and games as usual around the realwest household today.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:53:36am |
re: #436 JustMyView
Churches do this all the time now. There is no law that requires a pastor or priest to marry a couple who, in the view of the cleric, do not meet the denominations standards for a marriage compatible w/ their religious views and values. Many priests and rabbis, for instance, do not conduct interfaith marriages. Many do, of course, but it's their choice.
I understand that, but the other people mentioned should also be allowed to do the same. Not be subject to lawsuits because they don't agree with the idea.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:54:05am |
re: #438 rightside
No, Harper's own style is dull, nerdie and kind of square. In other words, a regular guy. More Field & Stream than GQ.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:54:08am |
re: #439 rightside
Thank you for that.
A pleasure!
The intricacies of female attire can be pretty confusing, thats for sure!
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:55:10am |
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:56:19am |
re: #447 yma o hyd
Having been married for over twenty years, I can certainly attest to that. Seeing Mrs. RS prepare to go out, the process can be longer than painting the golden gate bridge.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:56:24am |
re: #440 soxfan4life
Well if they build their business without government assistance they ought to be able to do what they please. And if they have such strong convictions they should not have to worry about being sued. Much like the protection Bush gave doctors who objected to abortion.
I was alluding to that protection when saying that we might see battles over a similar conscience clause for JP's.
But i have to disagree with you--the right analogy is to imagine any other business open to the public that has strong convictions about dealing with interracial couples, or (for example) black people. You might have built your business on your own; that doesn't mean you can refuse to serve black people at your restaurant. You might have built your catering business on your own; that doesn't mean you can systematically refuse to cater for interracial weddings and only interracial weddings.
Sure, you have the right to accept or refuse any clients you want...but if you engage in a pattern of discrimination, you might be sued. Whether it's against gay people, black people, jewish people, whatever.
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:57:05am |
re: #420 3 wood
Because:
1. He never takes responsibility for anything.
2. The MSM and the left are in love with this guy and will swallow any line of malarkey he spouts.
The left was very successful blaming Bush for everything and they will keep it up until they lose elections.
The oil market is world wide and is controlled by supply and demand not the POTUS. Bush did not make it $2.00 gallon any more then he made it $3.50.
| 452 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:57:34am |
re: #420 3 wood
Because:
1. He never takes responsibility for anything.
2. The MSM and the left are in love with this guy and will swallow any line of malarkey he spouts.
The left was very successful blaming Bush for everything and they will keep it up until they lose elections.
By October, Obama will be able to blame Israel for not agreeing to the Saudi "Peace" plan being the reason gas prices are so high.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:57:34am |
re: #402 _RememberTonyC
The North Koreans might have more than a million men under arms, but there's no word on how well they're trained or motivated. Much more of a concern are the thousands of artillery pieces trained on Seoul. That's the real threat - far more than the nukes and convicting reporters in kangaroo courts.
If a shooting war breaks out, Seoul is going to bear the brunt of the fighting, despite the best efforts of the US, South Korean and Japanese forces that can deploy and go after the North's military infrastructure.
As for China's ability to leverage and prod North Korea to do its bidding, I think the Chinese are seriously misreading their influence. It appears that they have none, and were just as surprised at the North's nuclear tests as everyone else. The US and the Six Party talks had been relying heavily on Chinese influencing the North's actions, but with that gone, those talks aren't going to go anywhere good.
The North is banging the war drums, and intel on intentions is sorely lacking.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:57:49am |
Btw - if anybody thought the worst was over now, and Gord and NuLab could go back to business as usual, they have another think coming:
Female minister quits after refusing 'pledge of loyalty' to Brown in wake of Labour's worst election results for 100 years
From that link:
'* Environment Minister Jane Kennedy quits Government
*Labour come third behind UKIP and Tories on 15.4%
*Worst results for the party since 1910
*Horror in Westminster as BNP wins two MEP seats
*Rebels expected to mount new plot to oust Brown'
It ain't over until the fat lady sings ...
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:57:55am |
re: #441 realwest
Hmm. Good point about India and perhaps the Middle East, though I do hold my reservations for Western corporations as - per general business principles - they tend to go where they can make the most money, even if it's not in their home countries.
On a lighter side note, did you hear the one about how Chinese oranges with knockoff Israeli brand stickers ended up in Iran?
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:58:00am |
re: #430 soxfan4life
While he may not take the blame, and we know the MSM is really the propoganda arm of the DNC, will the average American buy it or send the Commie Bastrds packing?
Depends on how bad it hurts.
speaking of which, the 10 year treasury rate is at 3.82% as I write this. In mid-march it was 2.50%.
That is an increase of 52.8% in about 3 months. Have you been hearing anything about that on the nightly news?
They will cover for this guy until their last breath as an industry.
| 457 |
BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:59:02am |
Have to take off-- have a great day, everyone.
| 458 |
3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:59:17am |
re: #448 JustMyView
Daschle was not going to get approved. Period.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:59:38am |
re: #436 JustMyView
Churches do this all the time now. There is no law that requires a pastor or priest to marry a couple who, in the view of the cleric, do not meet the denominations standards for a marriage compatible w/ their religious views and values. Many priests and rabbis, for instance, do not conduct interfaith marriages. Many do, of course, but it's their choice.
Same goes for the Catholic Church and divorced people. The Church doesn't recognize divorce, so they won't remarry divorced people, and aren't being forced to.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:00:20am |
re: #453 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk!
As for China's ability to leverage and prod North Korea to do its bidding, I think the Chinese are seriously misreading their influence. It appears that they have none, and were just as surprised at the North's nuclear tests as everyone else. The US and the Six Party talks had been relying heavily on Chinese influencing the North's actions, but with that gone, those talks aren't going to go anywhere good.
Couldn't agree with you more. I honestly don't see anyway out of this that doesn't involve a shooting war and tens of thousand or MORE of casualties.
| 461 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:00:22am |
re: #449 rightside
Having been married for over twenty years, I can certainly attest to that. Seeing Mrs. RS prepare to go out, the process can be longer than painting the golden gate bridge.
Well - the thing is, a female needs to feel absolutely comfortable in her skin, and she must know for herself that she is looking the best she possibly can.
Thats why it takes such a long time - especially if one doesn't have the clothes budget of a Paris Hilton but must use lots of imagination instead.
Always tell her she's the best-loking female around - that'll earn you important brownie points!
| 462 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:00:43am |
re: #444 realwest
"My friends are gone and my hair is grey,
I ache in the places where I used to play" - L. Cohen
| 463 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:01:08am |
re: #453 lawhawk
There's got to be a way to settle this peacefully! Like maybe engagement in a traditional Korean pastime!
///// q: Don't ask me why it's so popular there...
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:01:17am |
re: #456 3 wood
Depends on how bad it hurts.
speaking of which, the 10 year treasury rate is at 3.82% as I write this. In mid-march it was 2.50%.
That is an increase of 52.8% in about 3 months. Have you been hearing anything about that on the nightly news?
They will cover for this guy until their last breath as an industry.
That last breath can't come soon enough. Had they remained what they were originally meant to be then there wouldn't be a problem now.
| 465 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:02:16am |
re: #456 3 wood Hmmm - either you missed my #425 or I missed your reply!
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:02:19am |
re: #451 avanti
The oil market is world wide and is controlled by supply and demand not the POTUS. Bush did not make it $2.00 gallon any more then he made it $3.50.
But the left sure did not mind blaming Bush anyway last year before the election.
Incidentally, when the price is denominated in dollars, and as the value of the dollar is destroyed by Obama's polices, you will see the price of oil as denominated in dollars jump.
| 467 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:02:28am |
re: #420 3 wood
Well, the drill here drill now folks better be girding themselves for another battle, as oil prices continue rising because suppliers are cutting back, and they're not starting new projects.
And US-centric oil projects are on the shelf because they're not engaged in drilling on the Continental shelf, where the offshore oil deposits are believed to be.
| 468 |
rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:02:50am |
re: #461 yma o hyd
Why do you think we've been married over twenty years! ;^)
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:02:54am |
re: #461 yma o hyd
Well - the thing is, a female needs to feel absolutely comfortable in her skin, and she must know for herself that she is looking the best she possibly can.
Thats why it takes such a long time - especially if one doesn't have the clothes budget of a Paris Hilton but must use lots of imagination instead.Always tell her she's the best-loking female around - that'll earn you important brownie points!
Take your cue from Eric Clapton, and tell her she looks
Wonderful Tonight
| 470 |
avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:03:01am |
Clinton talks about Iran.
"Despite its decision to pursue diplomatic negotiations with Teheran over its nuclear program, the United States would view an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel as an attack on itself, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Sunday, asserting that there would be retaliation for any such attack. "
Iran.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:03:38am |
Have you talked about this yet:
Don’t discount Israel pre-emptive strike, Hillary Clinton warns Iran
From that link:
'Hillary Clinton refused yesterday to rule out a pre-emptive Israeli military strike on Iran. It was the first time that a senior member of the Obama Administration had openly discussed such a possibility.
The US Secretary Of State, speaking a few days before elections in Iran that will determine the fate of President Ahmadinejad, also warned that the country would face retaliation if it launched a nuclear attack on Israel.'
Whats going on?
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:04:19am |
re: #455 lazardo
ROTFLMAO! Good thing for China that Iran needs them on Iran's side! LOL!
Great, funny story, thanks.
| 473 |
3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:04:23am |
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:04:31am |
re: #461 yma o hyd
Always tell her she's the best-looking female around - that'll earn you important brownie points!
My wife always is the best-looking woman around, so it's never a problem.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:05:09am |
re: #468 rightside
Why do you think we've been married over twenty years! ;^)
Aww - bless!
Well done the both of you - married life improves enormously the longer it goes on!
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johnnyreb Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:05:37am |
re: #456 3 wood
Depends on how bad it hurts.
speaking of which, the 10 year treasury rate is at 3.82% as I write this. In mid-march it was 2.50%.
That is an increase of 52.8% in about 3 months. Have you been hearing anything about that on the nightly news?
They will cover for this guy until their last breath as an industry.
That is scary simply because the Fed will have to pay that money in the future and it will generate a tidal wave of inflation. Inflating our way out of debt is honestly the only way out at this point, we are way too far in for tax increases of being able to cover the debt. And I am starting to see some economists actually admit as much. One guy this weekend even said without a massive new revenue stream the US is effectively bankrupt.
I am not saying we will see hyper inflation levels, but we will most likely be seeing levels unheard of before in this country. Certainly double digit inflation annually.
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KenJen Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:06:09am |
re: #467 lawhawk
Well, the drill here drill now folks better be girding themselves for another battle, as oil prices continue rising because suppliers are cutting back, and they're not starting new projects.
And US-centric oil projects are on the shelf because they're not engaged in drilling on the Continental shelf, where the offshore oil deposits are believed to be.
Brazil seem to be finding a lot of oil. But, then again they are looking for it.
| 478 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:06:10am |
re: #470 avanti
Clinton talks about Iran.
"Despite its decision to pursue diplomatic negotiations with Teheran over its nuclear program, the United States would view an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel as an attack on itself, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Sunday, asserting that there would be retaliation for any such attack. "
Iran.
She backed down a bit and refused to say the US would retaliate; just that "there would be retaliation", which could mean the US would support Israel's retaliation.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Your own envoy Dennis Ross has said one way to strengthen the position the United States going into these negotiations is to make it very clear that if Iran used nuclear weapons against Israel or any U.S. ally, that would be met as an attack on the United States [and would result in a] full response. Now, that was your position during the campaign, as well. Is it U.S. policy now?CLINTON: I think it is U.S. policy to the extent that we have alliances and understandings with a number of nations. They may not be formal as it is with NATO, but, I don't think there is any doubt in anyone's mind that were Israel to suffer a nuclear attack by Iran, there would be retaliation.
STEPHANOPOULOS: By the United States?
CLINTON: Well, I think there would be retaliation. And I think part of what is clear is we want to avoid a Middle East arms race which leads to nuclear weapons being in the possession of other countries in the Middle East. And we want to make clear that there are consequences and costs.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:06:20am |
re: #460 realwest
I'm pretty pessimistic about the situation there, and all the diplomacy hasn't gotten us anywhere, except giving North Korea the time to complete its nuclear weapons tests and obtain sufficient nuclear materials to make multiple devices. That's time we can never get back, and additional diplomacy wont help, particularly when it's of the pseudoreality variety - where the diplomats hope to substitute their fanciful hopes for the stark reality.
A good start would be to cease and desist all aid to the regime - let them fend for themselves for fuel, food, and all the basics that allow them to focus instead on their military programs.
You know, like how the old anti-war types and anti-Reagan folks would complain that the military should hold bake sales for their B-2 bombers, and that money should go to the schools.
Time for North Korea to hold the bake sales for their military, and time for the rest of the world to stop doing North Korea's job for them in feeding their people.
| 480 |
3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:06:30am |
re: #467 lawhawk
Well, the drill here drill now folks better be girding themselves for another battle, as oil prices continue rising because suppliers are cutting back, and they're not starting new projects.
And US-centric oil projects are on the shelf because they're not engaged in drilling on the Continental shelf, where the offshore oil deposits are believed to be.
This administration wants to see oil get as expensive as possible cause that makes their alternate sources more affordable by comparison.
| 481 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:06:35am |
re: #471 yma o hyd
Hey {yma} "Whats going on?" is that there are some nations with, apparently, itchy trigger fingers and SoS Clinton, at least, has awoken to that reality.
| 482 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:06:46am |
re: #474 Kenneth
My wife always is the best-looking woman around, so it's never a problem.
Excellent!
So a few hours more or less getting ready are neither here nor there, I take it!
| 483 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:07:36am |
re: #470 avanti
Clinton talks about Iran.
"Despite its decision to pursue diplomatic negotiations with Teheran over its nuclear program, the United States would view an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel as an attack on itself, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Sunday, asserting that there would be retaliation for any such attack. "
Iran.
SO?
| 484 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:07:47am |
re: #480 3 wood
It's the only way Anmericans will want to buy the cars 0bama wants GM to build.
| 485 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:08:21am |
re: #481 realwest
Hey {yma} "Whats going on?" is that there are some nations with, apparently, itchy trigger fingers and SoS Clinton, at least, has awoken to that reality.
It makes a refreshing difference from her telling Bibi to stop Israelis from breeding, or else ...
| 486 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:08:28am |
re: #473 3 wood
That's ok, you were involved in substantive econmic matters, trying to help us all understand what the bleep is going on.
As for myself, my lower back and lower abdomen are in some degree of pain this morning and NO, I don't know why.
| 487 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:09:04am |
re: #482 yma o hyd
Excellent!
So a few hours more or less getting ready are neither here nor there, I take it!
Always worth it.
| 488 |
3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:09:35am |
re: #476 johnnyreb
That is scary simply because the Fed will have to pay that money in the future and it will generate a tidal wave of inflation. Inflating our way out of debt is honestly the only way out at this point, we are way too far in for tax increases of being able to cover the debt. And I am starting to see some economists actually admit as much. One guy this weekend even said without a massive new revenue stream the US is effectively bankrupt.
I am not saying we will see hyper inflation levels, but we will most likely be seeing levels unheard of before in this country. Certainly double digit inflation annually.
You can grow your way out of this, but not with this administration in the White House.
I think we will eventually hear about a VAT tax. In any event, we are spending the incomes of our unborn grandchildren right now, but the left does not care as long as they are in power.
| 489 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:10:19am |
re: #474 Kenneth
My wife always is the best-looking woman around, so it's never a problem.
She reads LGF?
| 490 |
3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:10:42am |
re: #486 realwest
As for myself, my lower back and lower abdomen are in some degree of pain this morning and NO, I don't know why.
Call your Doc my friend.
Don't mess around with this.
| 491 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:11:18am |
I guess we can breathe a sigh of relief for the time being...Hezbollah just got thwarted in the Lebanese election.
/link up in spinoffs in just a bit
| 492 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:11:43am |
re: #479 lawhawk
I'm pretty pessimistic about the situation there, and all the diplomacy hasn't gotten us anywhere, except giving North Korea the time to complete its nuclear weapons tests and obtain sufficient nuclear materials to make multiple devices. That's time we can never get back, and additional diplomacy wont help, particularly when it's of the pseudoreality variety - where the diplomats hope to substitute their fanciful hopes for the stark reality.
A good start would be to cease and desist all aid to the regime - let them fend for themselves for fuel, food, and all the basics that allow them to focus instead on their military programs.
You know, like how the old anti-war types and anti-Reagan folks would complain that the military should hold bake sales for their B-2 bombers, and that money should go to the schools.
Time for North Korea to hold the bake sales for their military, and time for the rest of the world to stop doing North Korea's job for them in feeding their people.
If we push them too far, they can just attack South Korea.
Maybe I'm too hawkish, but I'd go for an all out attack on their artillery, using bunker busters and keeping aircraft and UAVs in the air so if they pop out a gun, it gets blasted; maybe it gets one shot off, if that.
| 493 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:11:50am |
re: #488 3 wood
The motto of the DNC ought to be party over country, party over all else.
| 494 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:12:32am |
re: #478 Kosh's Shadow
When dealing with an adversary like Iran, a calculated level of vagueness is a good idea. Give them mixed messages one day and clear lines the next. The confusion keeps them off balance & they won't be able to game the US position. At the same time, the intentionally contradictory signals from Washington opens up cracks in the Tehran regime. Bush used this approach and now Obama is following suit.
| 495 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:13:05am |
re: #489 Spare O'Lake
Nah, she thinks it's a waste of time. She's right about that.
| 496 |
3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:13:36am |
Got to get some work done. Later.
The market is down about 1% at the moment.
The Dow is down about 3% on the year.
| 497 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:13:44am |
re: #491 lazardo
I guess we can breathe a sigh of relief for the time being...Hezbollah just got thwarted in the Lebanese election.
/link up in spinoffs in just a bit
But Hezballah is saying they keep their weapons and I worry about Syria returning to its old ways and assassinating various members of the government, especially if they try to disarm Hezballah.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:13:47am |
Good morning. A little good news from the badlands:
Pakistan: Villagers fight back against Taliban, militants killed
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Hundreds of residents in northern Pakistan attacked villages suspected of sheltering Taliban militants following a mosque bombing last week, authorities said Sunday.
Some 400 villagers killed at least seven Taliban fighters, burning a number of houses thought to be sheltering the militants, said Ijaz Kahn, Upper Dir police chief. The clashes between villagers and about 200 Taliban fighters started Saturday morning, intensifying in the late afternoon.
Authorities said Taliban fighters were driven out of Shot Ghas and Ghazigay -- two villages where the Taliban have support.
A significant Achilles' Heel of the islamothugs is that even among potentially sympathetic populations, they tend to wear out their welcome
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:13:53am |
re: #479 lawhawk
Well, "A good start would be to cease and desist all aid to the regime - let them fend for themselves for fuel, food, and all the basics that allow them to focus instead on their military programs.
[snip]
Time for North Korea to hold the bake sales for their military, and time for the rest of the world to stop doing North Korea's job for them in feeding their people.
The problem is that I don't see any way in which NORK can possibly feed it's own people NOW. And I wasn't kidding when I said upthread somewhere, that China could very well have it's hands full with NORK if NORK decided to use it's 1,000,000 man army against China - not so fanciful either, since the only people who've been getting food for a loong time now are the elites and.........the Military. And not all of NORK's money has gone into nukes; their Army is not as woefully equipped as some out here might like to think.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:14:02am |
re: #339 iceweasel
Similarly many of the original activists for gay rights came of age or came to their political awakening in the days of ACT-UP and the beginnings of the devastation of AIDS, at the time when it was still being called "GRID" (gay-related immune deficiency) and was being criminally neglected. This meant a siege mentality.
Erm... if you're saying that the siege mentality among gays was a response to "criminal neglect" of AIDS by the government during the Reagan years -- which is certainly a popular version of the story in some circles -- then I'd respectfully disagree, at least partly. Because a more complete version of the truth is that AIDS was also "criminally neglected" by many in the gay male community, and this negligence was a consequence of a siege mentality that was around before AIDS.
See, for example, the resistance to closing bathhouses, in the belief that the calls to close them were a homophobic plot rather than a rational public-health measure.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:14:19am |
re: #493 soxfan4life
The motto of the DNC ought to be party over country, party over all else.
As in Communist Party?
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:14:56am |
re: #494 Kenneth
When dealing with an adversary like Iran, a calculated level of vagueness is a good idea. Give them mixed messages one day and clear lines the next. The confusion keeps them off balance & they won't be able to game the US position. At the same time, the intentionally contradictory signals from Washington opens up cracks in the Tehran regime. Bush used this approach and now Obama is following suit.
Beat me to it, keep them guessing, and give both the hard liners and the moderates something to think of.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:15:04am |
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rightside Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:15:31am |
re: #488 3 wood
Can any form of VAT be a good thing? As long as the 16th amendment was repealed?
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:16:37am |
re: #497 Kosh's Shadow
But Hezballah is saying they keep their weapons and I worry about Syria returning to its old ways and assassinating various members of the government, especially if they try to disarm Hezballah.
Syria assassinating government ministers is primarily the reason for the March 14 Coalition being in power (their leader IIRC is Rafik Hariri's son?), though I would agree that disarming Hezbollah will be a very contentious issue in the immediate aftermath.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:16:40am |
re: #497 Kosh's Shadow
But Hezballah is saying they keep their weapons and I worry about Syria returning to its old ways and assassinating various members of the government, especially if they try to disarm Hezballah.
Elections don't mean much over there in that part of the world. Sure if the bad guys win an Election, they are all thrilled. If they lose they say the right thing and then go on their merry way trying to subvert the elected government and seize power any way they can.
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johnnyreb Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:16:55am |
re: #488 3 wood
You can grow your way out of this, but not with this administration in the White House.
I think we will eventually hear about a VAT tax. In any event, we are spending the incomes of our unborn grandchildren right now, but the left does not care as long as they are in power.
I agree about the VAT. However when I brought that up here a few weeks ago I got called a kook by some. But I think the guy I was listen ting to is correct. As long as congress keep up these spending levels something has to give, and the easiest thing is for them to introduce a "temporary" VAT (read national sales tax) to get us out of this mess that the evil Booosh got us into. The emphasis will be on it only being temporary, and they will push some sort "rebate" system for the poor.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:17:51am |
re: #361 Kenneth
That depends on the jurisdiction. In most states, civil-unions have identical rights and obligations as marriages , except that the couple cannot use the word "marriage". The distinction is rather silly.
Actually, "civil union" legislation does not exist in most states, and in some states is actually prohibited by (recent) amendments to the state constitution.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:17:59am |
I see that Charles had a thread up last night, about the BNP getting two seats in the EU Parliament elections.
Firstly - these seats are in a region where the BNP has made inroads for quite some time because NuLAb's policy of uncontrolled immigration. Politics here are run by NuLab exclusively - mostly in form of muslim immigrants.
Secondly - the polling system is the European (dreaded, and totally un-British) system of proportional representation, where one votes for parties, not single candidates, and where votes are somehow (don'task!) added together proportionally to votes cast overall.
We have the First-Past-The-Post system in our local and national elections.
Thirdly - this election was regarded as a national protest vote by very many voters, because we still haven't got the call for a General Election.
These two seats emphatically do not mean that the UK is marching into fascism!
And yes - we can all blame Gord and NuLab for this result, in many ways.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:18:12am |
VERY good news from Long War Journal on Sunday, just posted in the spinoffs:
Tribes target Taliban in Dir after mosque bombing
Pakistani tribesmen living in the northern district of Dir took revenge on the Taliban after last week's deadly bombing at a mosque killed 49 people and wounded scores more.
Local tribesman in Upper Dir raised lashkars, or tribal militias, and conducted multiple attacks against known Taliban fighters and leaders in the region. The first round of attacks took place yesterday after hundreds of tribesmen in the remote village of Hayagai Sharqai attacked the Taliban. Four Taliban fighters were killed and six homes were torched, while the tribal leaders gave the Taliban until June 15 to leave the area.
Today, a lashkar that formed in the Darra Kot region killed 13 Taliban fighters and destroyed several Taliban "hideouts," Geo News reported. "Foreigners" were reported killed, and the locals ordered Afghan refugees to leave the area.
Thousands of fighters from a lashkar are reported to have surrounded more than 300 Taliban fighters in the Shotkas and Ghazi Gai areas in Dir. Heavy fighting has been reported.
The point is that the Taliban have crushed these things ruthlessly in the past. Now, they seem to be succeeding.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:18:15am |
re: #494 Kenneth
When dealing with an adversary like Iran, a calculated level of vagueness is a good idea. Give them mixed messages one day and clear lines the next. The confusion keeps them off balance & they won't be able to game the US position. At the same time, the intentionally contradictory signals from Washington opens up cracks in the Tehran regime. Bush used this approach and now Obama is following suit.
Don't forget it's election season, and (say what you will about Iranian "reformists") this Mr. Mousavi fellow has to be pretty dangerous to the Ayatollahs if they actually had to ban his Facebook page.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:18:36am |
re: #507 johnnyreb
I agree about the VAT. However when I brought that up here a few weeks ago I got called a kook by some. But I think the guy I was listen ting to is correct. As long as congress keep up these spending levels something has to give, and the easiest thing is for them to introduce a "temporary" VAT (read national sales tax) to get us out of this mess that the evil Booosh got us into. The emphasis will be on it only being temporary, and they will push some sort "rebate" system for the poor.
It would be about as temporary as the income tax is?
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:19:02am |
re: #498 Occasional Reader
Good morning O.R. - not unlike what happened to Al-Q and the other "foreign fighters" in Mosul and Sadr-City; the Iraqi's there got fed up with being blown up by other Muslims and started pointing out to the Iraqi military and then the US Military, where all the bad guys were hiding.
First axiom of guerrilla warfare: you must have a majority of the populace on your side.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:20:29am |
re: #514 realwest
First axiom of guerrilla warfare: you must have a majority of the populace on your side.
I thought the first axiom was "when you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow"...
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:20:43am |
re: #508 Throbert McGee
Thanks for the fact check. How many states do allow for civil unions? And what is the situation of a couple going to civil-union state to get "hitched" and then returning to live in a non-civil-union state? Are they eligible for all the same benefits?
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:21:12am |
re: #499 realwest
The North Koreans spending is primarily on their nuclear program and military, but the question remains how well trained they are, how motivated, and whether they could mount a significant operation against China or the South Koreans.
Taking on the Chinese would be tantamount to political suicide for the regime, but that doesn't mean they might not feint in that direction. I still think the North would go against Seoul. Pyongang has something like 10,000 artillery tubes, nearly all of which are within range of Seoul. North Korea could decimate Seoul with an artillery before the South and US forces could react.
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johnnyreb Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:21:41am |
re: #513 Nevergiveup
It would be about as temporary as the income tax is?
Well it will be temporary in the sense that congress will have to vote to renew it about every five years or so. I don't think the Democrats have enough guts to make it permanent at first.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:21:49am |
I certainly prefer civil unions over downright rude unions.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:22:12am |
re: #497 Kosh's Shadow
UN SCR 1701 required disarmament, but as we all know here, it's not worth the paper it's written on, and UNIFIL hasn't disarmed Hizbullah as required. They continue to dominate Southern Lebanon and biding their time until the orders come down from the terror masters in Damascus and Tehran.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:23:51am |
re: #470 avanti
Clinton talks about Iran.
"Despite its decision to pursue diplomatic negotiations with Teheran over its nuclear program, the United States would view an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel as an attack on itself, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Sunday, asserting that there would be retaliation for any such attack. "
Iran.
Yeah, let's wait until after they nuke Israel. That's a good plan.
/not
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:24:41am |
re: #518 johnnyreb
Well it will be temporary in the sense that congress will have to vote to renew it about every five years or so. I don't think the Democrats have enough guts to make it permanent at first.
I agree with ya. I think it is coming and faster than most people realize. My only hope is that they wave it at Military Exchanges?
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:25:06am |
re: #515 Occasional Reader
LOL! NO - that's the first axiom (and it's wrong!) of counter-guerrilla warfare!
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:25:09am |
re: #519 Occasional Reader
I certainly prefer civil unions over downright rude unions.
I prefer chapter 11 unions
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:25:15am |
re: #521 Ward Cleaver
Yeah, let's wait until after they nuke Israel. That's a good plan.
/not
And then, there will be retalition... of some sort. From someone. Perhaps the Klingons. Who knows, really?
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:25:16am |
And here's a cartoon which shows the attitude of Gord's cabinet to the resignations and incipient bloddbaths in the Labour party.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:28:30am |
State's budget crisis opens rift between unions and Democrats
The union leaders say they are appalled that Democratic leaders are talking openly now about decimating government programs without first making a stand for bigger, broader tax hikes that could substantially offset budget cuts.
"Democrats came to Sacramento to help people," said Marty Hittleman, president of the California Federation of Teachers. "I know they did not go there to destroy government. For some reason, they are unwilling to stand up and say 'This is not what I was elected for.' "
But even some of the most liberal Democrats say some union leaders are ignoring the reality of an angry public, a sour economy and a state government approaching insolvency. Moreover, more taxes would require Republican support in the Legislature, and the minority party has made clear that there will be none.
/who do you want in your wallet?
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:28:46am |
re: #525 Occasional Reader
And then, there will be retalition... of some sort. From someone. Perhaps the Klingons. Who knows, really?
Oh Israel would retaliate ferociously but it would be a Pyrrhic victory. One nuclear explosion in one of Israel's major cities would be catastrophic of course. But The liberals would look proper crying over the ashes of Jewish victims again.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:29:42am |
re: #520 lawhawk
UN SCR 1701 required disarmament, but as we all know here, it's not worth the paper it's written on, and UNIFIL hasn't disarmed Hizbullah as required.
But... but... that nice piece of paper with the UN logo on it SAYS it has to happen... so how could it not happen?
/puzzled trans-national type
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3 wood Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:29:58am |
Just a quick drive-by:
Democrats Weigh Health Mandate as Obama Urges Taxing Wealthy
President Barack Obama wants Congress to consider taxing the wealthy instead of workers to pay for a health-care overhaul, as House Democrats discuss a plan to require health insurance for most Americans.The Obama administration stepped up efforts to influence health-care legislation today as advisers David Axelrod and Austan Goolsbee appeared on television talk shows to discuss the issue.
The president is trying to avoid broad-based levies such as a Senate proposal to tax some employer-provided health benefits Axelrod said. Instead he is urging lawmakers to reconsider limiting all tax deductions for Americans in the highest tax brackets.
This will drive capital out of the country and damage the incentive to work hard and make money. And don't be surprised if the definition of "wealthy" gets set real low. My guess is it will be just above whatever Congress makes.
In the Senate, health committee chairman Edward Kennedy has an early draft of legislation that also includes a so-called “individual mandate,” and would require all employers to supply health insurance for workers or contribute to the cost of a plan.
Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, would also create a public health plan to compete with private insurers, a priority of Obama’s that is opposed by Republicans, and would bar insurers from limiting coverage.
The effort to overhaul health-care would affect a sector that makes up 17 percent of the U.S. economy.
Jobs will migrate toward working on a contract basis.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:30:30am |
re: #528 Nevergiveup
While on the inside they would be crying for any Palestinian collateral casualties.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:30:38am |
re: #517 lawhawk
The North Koreans spending is primarily on their nuclear program and military, but the question remains how well trained they are, how motivated, and whether they could mount a significant operation against China or the South Koreans.
Taking on the Chinese would be tantamount to political suicide for the regime, but that doesn't mean they might not feint in that direction. I still think the North would go against Seoul. Pyongang has something like 10,000 artillery tubes, nearly all of which are within range of Seoul. North Korea could decimate Seoul with an artillery before the South and US forces could react.
Which is why I say, since North Korea abrogated the armistice, that a pre-emptive attack against the artillery is justified.
No way Obama would do that, and I doubt Bush would have, either.
But it is very easy for me to be an armchair general.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:30:42am |
re: #517 lawhawk
the question remains how well trained they are, how motivated
I can't speak to the training although I have heard that they are many notches above Saddams vaunted former Republican Guard, but as to motivation,
staying well fed (as their army is as opposed to the citizenry) and ensuring that loved ones don't go disappearing in the middle of the night is a strong motivator to do whatever the Dear Leader wants
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:31:17am |
re: #528 Nevergiveup
Oh Israel would retaliate ferociously but it would be a Pyrrhic victory. One nuclear explosion in one of Israel's major cities would be catastrophic of course. But The liberals would look proper crying over the ashes of Jewish victims again.
Yes, I know. My point was, we have Hillary talking "tough" about... someone else's retaliation, while hemming and hawing about what we would do. I'll bet Ahmadinejad got a good laugh out of that.
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96RoadKing Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:31:30am |
re: #525 Occasional Reader
I'm quite certain Hillary issue a stern note of displeasure regarding the act. The One may even note that the news interupted his regularly scheduled basketball game.
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KenJen Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:31:50am |
re: #530 3 wood
Just a quick drive-by:
Democrats Weigh Health Mandate as Obama Urges Taxing WealthyWhy can't this idiot see what he's doing?
Jobs will migrate toward working on a contract basis.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:31:56am |
re: #507 johnnyreb
I agree about the VAT. However when I brought that up here a few weeks ago I got called a kook by some. But I think the guy I was listen ting to is correct. As long as congress keep up these spending levels something has to give, and the easiest thing is for them to introduce a "temporary" VAT (read national sales tax) to get us out of this mess that the evil Booosh got us into. The emphasis will be on it only being temporary, and they will push some sort "rebate" system for the poor.
I haven't seen much talk about a VAT, but they are talking about taxing health care benefits.
Funny how that was a terrible idea when McCain proposed it (I still think it is a terrible idea, then and now), but when the Won is in office, it might not be so bad.
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:32:03am |
re: #521 Ward Cleaver
Yeah, let's wait until after they nuke Israel. That's a good plan.
/not
Israel will not wait if they feel a threat is imitate, then we should support them, but it is not our responsibility to act in their place.
We are already carrying the worlds water in two wars half way around the planet from the USA.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:32:44am |
re: #530 3 wood
So in their efforts to prop up labor unions they will make us all independent contractors or free agents. And for all intent kill the unions.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:32:52am |
re: #530 3 wood
Unintended consequences? That's unpossible! After all, these plans are being cooked up by brilliant groups of the most brilliant minds ever brilliantly assembled.
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KenJen Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:33:08am |
I'm going back to bed. This sleep posting is not working for me.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:33:47am |
re: #520 lawhawk
UN SCR 1701 required disarmament, but as we all know here, it's not worth the paper it's written on, and UNIFIL hasn't disarmed Hizbullah as required. They continue to dominate Southern Lebanon and biding their time until the orders come down from the terror masters in Damascus and Tehran.
And UNFIL (or whatever) is doing nothing to stop Hizballah; they have no intention of doing anything other than being shields.
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96RoadKing Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:33:58am |
re: #528 Nevergiveup
Oh Israel would retaliate ferociously but it would be a Pyrrhic victory. One nuclear explosion in one of Israel's major cities would be catastrophic of course. But The liberals would look proper crying over the ashes of Jewish victims again.
No... the Liberals would decry Israel's 'inappropriate' and 'barbaric' response to the 'justifiable' and 'understandable' actions of Iran's act on the part of the 'oppressed Palestinian minority'...
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:34:31am |
re: #538 avanti
Israel will not wait if they feel a threat is imitate, then we should support them, but it is not our responsibility to act in their place.
We are already carrying the worlds water in two wars half way around the planet from the USA.
Hows striking Iran carrying Israels water. Take Israel out of the equation. Pretend it's not there. Do you think it's in the best of US's interest that Iran has nuclear weapon capacity?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:35:27am |
re: #538 avanti
Israel will not wait if they feel a threat is imitate, then we should support them, but it is not our responsibility to act in their place.
We are already carrying the worlds water in two wars half way around the planet from the USA.
Indeed, Obama should instead focus on his core responsibilites as POTUS, such as fighting negative stereotypes of Islam.
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Throbert McGee Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:35:31am |
re: #353 FrogMarch
Good morning all.
The Grand Unification Theory of Sucking
Much as I'd enjoy swapping tips, isn't this a topic better reserved for an after-midnight thread?
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:35:36am |
Morning Honcos.re: #512 lazardo
Don't forget it's election season, and (say what you will about Iranian "reformists") this Mr. Mousavi fellow has to be pretty dangerous to the Ayatollahs if they actually had to ban his Facebook page.
Who wins will signal the direction the Mad Mullahs wish to take. If Mousavi wins it will be sign they wish to open a dialog and soften their stance. If Achmadenijad wins it will be a sign of the Mullahs recalcitrance.
Curry did a Dateline piece last night on Iran and covered the elections and the unrest of the youth in Iran. The thing she complete missed is the Mullahs run a Theocracy and will not allow an election to go awry from their point of view.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:35:37am |
re: #526 yma o hyd
I like the sign: "Brown is not completely cr*p!"
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:36:54am |
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:38:07am |
We've now gone from 3 million new jobs to 600,000. And in a really feel good measure 0bama has promised to accelerate spending.
But Obama now promises an accelerated pace of federal spending over the next few months to boost the economy and produce jobs.
[Link: www4.comcast.net...]
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:39:32am |
Sorry y'all - lost my cable connection for a few minutes.
re: #517 lawhawk
Seems to me that that is why the Neutron Bomb (1klt range) was invented - that artillery won't help the NORKS if the Chinese, USA and SKorea decide to launch a pre-emptive strike.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:39:39am |
re: #538 avanti
Israel will not wait if they feel a threat is imitate, then we should support them, but it is not our responsibility to act in their place.
We are already carrying the worlds water in two wars half way around the planet from the USA.
I'm not so sure the US would support Israel for any pre-emptive strike; I'm sure the UN wouldn't. Even if Israel had evidence of a nuclear device aimed at Israel.
I think the Saudis are hoping that Iran will nuke Israel; Israel will destroy Iran in retaliation, and the Saudis will have two of their enemies destroyed. They'll shed crocodile tears over the Palis and nothing over the Jews.
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96RoadKing Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:39:47am |
re: #551 soxfan4life
We've now gone from 3 million new jobs to 600,000. And in a really feel good measure 0bama has promised to accelerate spending.
But Obama now promises an accelerated pace of federal spending over the next few months to boost the economy and produce jobs.
[Link: www4.comcast.net...]
The first $800,000,000,000 didn't quite work like they planned, so why not invest another $800,000,000,000 to 'prime the pump'? After all, it's not like it's real money...
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:40:42am |
re: #549 lawhawk
Up here in Canada, same-sex marriage was legalized by the federal gov't in 2005, but most of the provinces had already legalized it by then. It doesn't seem to have caused the collapse of our society, yet.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:40:48am |
re: #552 Iron Fist
What is running through my mind is that if homosexuality has a genetic component (I believe that it must), will the same people who felt it was almost a "sin" not to abort Trig Palin be as keen on genetic tests and selective abortion to eliminate the "gay" trait?
Jonah Goldberg had a very good column on exactly that topic a couple of years ago at NRO.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:41:06am |
re: #548 Kenneth
I like the sign: "Brown is not completely cr*p!"
Heh!
The situation ehre is getting more ludicrous by the day.
Not many people on your side of the Big Pond know this - but Gord has now several ennobled former Labour politicians in his cabinet - who are of course not MPs, thus ahve not been voted for, do not ahve constituencies and are thus responsible only to Gord - not the electorate.
The great Labour leaders of the past (Attlee, Bevan) are turning in their graves for this betrayal of all Labour once stood for!
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:41:21am |
re: #555 96RoadKing
The first $800,000,000,000 didn't quite work like they planned, so why not invest another $800,000,000,000 to 'prime the pump'? After all, it's not like it's real money...
Not any more it ain't!
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:41:51am |
re: #555 96RoadKing
It's the libs mantra. These plans really do work, but only if we have the right people to implement them. That is why they have failed before, poor execution of the perfect idea.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:42:25am |
re: #554 Kosh's Shadow
I'm not so sure the US would support Israel for any pre-emptive strike; I'm sure the UN wouldn't. Even if Israel had evidence of a nuclear device aimed at Israel.
I think the Saudis are hoping that Iran will nuke Israel; Israel will destroy Iran in retaliation, and the Saudis will have two of their enemies destroyed. They'll shed crocodile tears over the Palis and nothing over the Jews.
Well the way to give the Saud i's pause is to let them know any Attack from Iran on Israel will result in not only catastrophic retaliation against Iran, but also against Mecca.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:42:51am |
re: #554 Kosh's Shadow
I'm not so sure the US would support Israel for any pre-emptive strike; I'm sure the UN wouldn't. Even if Israel had evidence of a nuclear device aimed at Israel.
I think the Saudis are hoping that Iran will nuke Israel; Israel will destroy Iran in retaliation, and the Saudis will have two of their enemies destroyed. They'll shed crocodile tears over the Palis and nothing over the Jews.
Not to forget - it would knock out Iran's oil production, thus ensuring even more $$$ flowing into Saudi coffers ...
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:42:59am |
re: #544 sattv4u2
Hows striking Iran carrying Israels water. Take Israel out of the equation. Pretend it's not there. Do you think it's in the best of US's interest that Iran has nuclear weapon capacity?
It's not in our interest that the North Koreans or Pakistani's have nukes either, but you don't start a war over potential threats. Iran and Korea are many years away from being even a fraction of the threat that those two are, are have time to deal with it. If the government in Pakistan falls, we have a instant issue to deal with though.
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96RoadKing Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:43:53am |
re: #561 soxfan4life
It's the libs mantra. These plans really do work, but only if we have the right people to implement them. That is why they have failed before, poor execution of the perfect idea.
Don't forget that the evil Republicans have always shortchanged the programs, ensuring their failure. If only they had the 'right' amount of funding for their projects, they'd surely succeed...
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irongrampa Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:43:53am |
re: #513 Nevergiveup
I'd bet it would become permanent AND piggyback on the existing income tax.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:44:27am |
re: #562 Nevergiveup
No retaliatory actions will be taken against Mecca as long as Barack HUSSEIN0bama is CIC.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:44:36am |
re: #556 Kenneth
Up here in Canada, same-sex marriage was legalized by the federal gov't in 2005, but most of the provinces had already legalized it by then. It doesn't seem to have caused the collapse of our society, yet.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:44:44am |
re: #564 avanti
It's not in our interest that the North Koreans or Pakistani's have nukes either, but you don't start a war over potential threats. Iran and Korea are many years away from being even a fraction of the threat that those two are, are have time to deal with it. If the government in Pakistan falls, we have a instant issue to deal with though.
Ah, the classic liberal refrain: Since we can't do everything, we shouldn't do anything.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:45:02am |
re: #530 3 wood
Just a quick drive-by:
Democrats Weigh Health Mandate as Obama Urges Taxing Wealthy
Jobs will migrate toward working on a contract basis.
Then Obama will move against contract jobs. He's determined to change the way health care works, and not really for the better. We can't stop him, but it might be possible to divert into less harmful ways of reform.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:45:50am |
re: #530 3 wood
But don't call it what it is... S...S...S... Socialism.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:46:22am |
re: #569 Occasional Reader
I thought the lib refrain was increase spending on social programs.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:46:23am |
re: #546 Throbert McGee
Much as I'd enjoy swapping tips, isn't this a topic better reserved for an after-midnight thread?
What you do after midnight isn't any of my business.
;-)
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:46:30am |
re: #567 soxfan4life
No retaliatory actions will be taken against Mecca as long as Barack HUSSEIN0bama is CIC.
No so sure Israel is signing on to that?
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:46:37am |
re: #552 Iron Fist
What is running through my mind is that if homosexuality has a genetic component (I believe that it must), will the same people who felt it was almost a "sin" not to abort Trig Palin be as keen on genetic tests and selective abortion to eliminate the "gay" trait?
Funny. I never heard a single person say anything remotely like that about Trig Palin. Were the people you heard it from friends of yours?
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:46:55am |
re: #553 realwest
Sorry y'all - lost my cable connection for a few minutes.
Seems to me that that is why the Neutron Bomb (1klt range) was invented - that artillery won't help the NORKS if the Chinese, USA and SKorea decide to launch a pre-emptive strike.
The Norks can't win against the US and the South. They can make it bloody. If the flag goes up all the Nork units have preplanned missions, it if comms are cut they launch on their missions. One of those things is to throw everything as rapidly possible into the South.
For us and the south (and China)to preempt the Norks would take a massive build up which would tip them off.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:47:03am |
re: #538 avanti Ah yeah, avanti, but let's not forget how well and how often Israel has carried the US "water" for us - with the strikes at Syria and at Iraqi nuclear development programs and in many other ways.
I know this will go nowhere with you and certainly not with Obama, but the reality is that Israel has done a lot of the dirty work so the US could act innocent and surprised. This is not the time to cut the Israeli's loose on their own.
Not for any nation with a conscience.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:47:25am |
re: #564 avanti
It's not in our interest that the North Koreans or Pakistani's have nukes either, but you don't start a war over potential threats. Iran and Korea are many years away from being even a fraction of the threat that those two are, are have time to deal with it. If the government in Pakistan falls, we have a instant issue to deal with though.
Good start. So ,, that agreed on, how does one prevent them from having them? How many decades and how many UN resolutions have passed and STILL North Korea now has them and Iran most likely will in due course.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:47:38am |
re: #540 Occasional Reader
Unintended consequences? That's unpossible! After all, these plans are being cooked up by brilliant groups of the most brilliant minds ever brilliantly assembled.
Timothy Geithner.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:47:44am |
re: #572 soxfan4life
I thought the lib refrain was increase spending on social programs.
They have lots of refrains. They never refrain from issuing new refrains.
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:48:14am |
re: #554 Kosh's Shadow
I think the Saudis are hoping that Iran will nuke Israel; Israel will destroy Iran in retaliation, and the Saudis will have two of their enemies destroyed. They'll shed crocodile tears over the Palis and nothing over the Jews.
I disagree, the Saudi's would not gain from a nuke war in the Mideast. It would take decades for the worlds economy and oil demand to recover. If Israel takes out the nukes, the Saudi's will bitch publicly, but quietly cheer.
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:49:09am |
re: #575 JustMyView
Funny. I never heard a single person say anything remotely like that about Trig Palin. Were the people you heard it from friends of yours?
Palin's Down syndrome child and the right to abortion
Like many, I am troubled by the implications of Alaska governor and Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin's decision to knowingly give birth to a child disabled with Down syndrome. Given that Palin's decision is being celebrated in some quarters, it is crucial to reaffirm the morality of aborting a fetus diagnosed with Down syndrome (or by extension, any unborn fetus)—a freedom that anti-abortion advocates seek to deny.A parent has a moral obligation to provide for his or her children until these children are equipped to provide for themselves. Because a person afflicted with Down syndrome is only capable of being marginally productive (if at all) and requires constant care and supervision, unless a parent enjoys the wealth to provide for the lifetime of assistance that their child will require, they are essentially stranding the cost of their child's life upon others.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:50:01am |
re: #547 JCM
Morning Honcos.
Who wins will signal the direction the Mad Mullahs wish to take. If Mousavi wins it will be sign they wish to open a dialog and soften their stance. If Achmadenijad wins it will be a sign of the Mullahs recalcitrance.
Curry did a Dateline piece last night on Iran and covered the elections and the unrest of the youth in Iran. The thing she complete missed is the Mullahs run a Theocracy and will not allow an election to go awry from their point of view.
They'll certainly try to consolidate their grip on power as Iran seems to have quite a few domestic troubles as well. Their inflation rate seems to be about 25%, among other things.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:50:20am |
re: #581 avanti
I disagree, the Saudi's would not gain from a nuke war in the Mideast. It would take decades for the worlds economy and oil demand to recover. If Israel takes out the nukes, the Saudi's will bitch publicly, but quietly cheer.
Yes they would. They are target #2 in the region for Iran, #1 being Israel of course. There has never been any love lost between the Persians and the Arabs, and Iran, much like Saddams Iraq would LOVE to have control over the entire regions oil supply
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:50:42am |
re: #575 JustMyView
Funny. I never heard a single person say anything remotely like that about Trig Palin. Were the people you heard it from friends of yours?
Ad hominem FAIL
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:51:16am |
re: #560 taxfreekiller
A dishonest part of the Nation would be more accurate my friend.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:51:20am |
re: #530 3 wood
Just a quick drive-by:
Democrats Weigh Health Mandate as Obama Urges Taxing Wealthy
Everyone wants free health care. There is no "free", but it doesn't matter: "much needed reform is on the way".
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:51:23am |
re: #575 JustMyView
Funny. I never heard a single person say anything remotely like that about Trig Palin
Might not have mentioned his name, but...
TORONTO, September 10, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - U.S. vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin's loving and highly-publicized acceptance of her Down's syndrome child Trig has at least one prominent Canadian doctor worried that her example may lead to mothers shunning abortion after diagnosis of Down's syndrome.
According to the Globe and Mail, Dr. Andre Lalonde, executive vice-president of the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada (SOGC), is worried that Palin's decision to give birth to Trig, despite knowing about his condition, could influence other women in similar situations, but who lack the financial and emotional support that Palin had access to.
"The worry is that this will have an implication for abortion issues in Canada," he said.
Citing his concern for women's "freedom to choose", Lalonde said that popular examples about women like Palin, who choose not to kill their unborn children, could have negative effects on women and their families, reported the Globe.
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:52:27am |
re: #584 lazardo
They'll certainly try to consolidate their grip on power as Iran seems to have quite a few domestic troubles as well. Their inflation rate seems to be about 25%, among other things.
Hopefully we'll see a change in leadership in Iran, the youth vote needs to stay energized to toss out Dinnerjacket
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:52:38am |
re: #564 avanti
It's not in our interest that the North Koreans or Pakistani's have nukes either, but you don't start a war over potential threats. Iran and Korea are many years away from being even a fraction of the threat that those two are, are have time to deal with it. If the government in Pakistan falls, we have a instant issue to deal with though.
All right avanti, then I will put this question to you: What shall we do about North Korea? In your answer, please include a "red line" that if crossed by the Norks, would automatically trigger a US military response if you were C-in-C?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:52:49am |
re: #519 Occasional Reader
I certainly prefer civil unions over downright rude unions.
How about a Western Union?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:53:00am |
re: #584 lazardo
They'll certainly try to consolidate their grip on power as Iran seems to have quite a few domestic troubles as well. Their inflation rate seems to be about 25%, among other things.
See? Part of Obama's brilliant plan for outreach to the Muslim world is to make sure we have more things in common with them.
/sarc?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:53:39am |
re: #564 avanti
It's not in our interest that the North Koreans or Pakistani's have nukes either, but you don't start a war over potential threats. Iran and Korea are many years away from being even a fraction of the threat that those two are, are have time to deal with it. If the government in Pakistan falls, we have a instant issue to deal with though.
So, we wait until a smoking, glowing hole replaces Tel Aviv?
Fucking wussy thinking.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:54:46am |
re: #594 Spare O'Lake
How about a Western Union?
As long as they deliver Candygrams for Mongo, I'm fine with them.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:55:21am |
re: #575 JustMyView
Funny. I never heard a single person say anything remotely like that about Trig Palin. Were the people you heard it from friends of yours?
Are you fucking ignorant or just trying to piss off Iron Fist? Or, both?
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:55:59am |
re: #576 JCM
Or maybe just one or two Neutron warhead Tomahawks aimed at those artillery emplacements.
Or for that matter, several dozen coneventionally warheaded Tomahawks - launched by Submarines, NORKS caught before they can fire any shots at all.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:56:21am |
re: #599 MandyManners
Are you fucking ignorant or just trying to piss off Iron Fist? Or, both?
Is that a rhetorical question?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:56:33am |
Nothing like a hyped-up Mandy on Monday morning.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:56:34am |
re: #592 avanti
Hopefully we'll see a change in leadership in Iran, the youth vote needs to stay energized to toss out Dinnerjacket
In a country like that, the "youth vote" just needs to stay out of the dungeons. Do you seriously think that Iran has free and open elections? Do you seriously think that representatives from The Carter Center will ensure that the "youth vote" will be protected there?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:56:56am |
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redstateredneck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:57:01am |
re: #599 MandyManners
Are you fucking ignorant or just trying to piss off Iron Fist? Or, both?
Pissed me off, too.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:57:04am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:57:36am |
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:57:38am |
re: #584 lazardo
They'll certainly try to consolidate their grip on power as Iran seems to have quite a few domestic troubles as well. Their inflation rate seems to be about 25%, among other things.
Iran is ripe for the Mad Mullahs to get tossed the youths are very restless.
It's the perfect opportunity for us to follow the model of what Reagan did in Poland, supporting Solidarity. We can support the reformers and let the Iranians do it all. The youth in Iran would are already predisposed to look to the west anyway.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:58:05am |
re: #583 JCM
re: #591 Spenser (with an S)
Thank you both for that. Those folks in the articles can justly be called "pro-abortion fanatics". Not violent, but still fanatical enough to attack Sarah Palin for exercising her freedom to choose and then making a choice they didn't like. For those people are only pro-choice when the choices made are those they approve of.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:58:18am |
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:58:24am |
re: #604 sattv4u2
In a country like that, the "youth vote" just needs to stay out of the dungeons. Do you seriously think that Iran has free and open elections? Do you seriously think that representatives from The Carter Center will ensure that the "youth vote" will be protected there?
And even if the "opposition" gets elected, they are not exactly "moderate" by western standards.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:58:53am |
re: #586 lawhawk
LOL! Thank you for the completeness addition! But he is - for all intents and purposes - Obama's idea of a brilliant mind.
Man, we're in worse trouble than we thought we were.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:59:12am |
Obama promises more than 600,000 stimulus jobs
pimping and promises.
An honest headline would say: "More the 600,000 New Government Jobs
Will Be Created Because The Private Sector Is Devastated."
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:59:14am |
re: #610 JCM
It's the perfect opportunity for us to follow the model of what Reagan did in Poland
And of course, that's not going to happen.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:00:05am |
re: #613 Nevergiveup
And even if the "opposition" gets elected, they are not exactly "moderate" by western standards.
Had they been, surely Carter would not have lent his saintly imprimatur to the process./
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redstateredneck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:00:12am |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:00:41am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:00:54am |
re: #612 Mithrax
*cowers*
My parents' generation built bomb shelters back in the Fifties.
Now I'm wondering if any of them are still around.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:01:01am |
re: #603 MandyManners
Nothing like a hyped-up Mandy on Monday morning.
I'm reminded of that "squirrels with coffee" poster someone linked to last night.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:01:24am |
re: #592 avanti
Hopefully we'll see a change in leadership in Iran, the youth vote needs to stay energized to toss out Dinnerjacket
Geez, even you can't believe that the Mullah's would leave power EVEN IF there were to be full, fair, democratic elections.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:01:34am |
OT Developing:
It failed, but the terrorists have yet to be cited by PETA.
Oh, and these weren't run of the mill terrorists, but terrorists affiliated with Hizbullah and Iran:
The terror cell belonged to the Janud Ansar Allah (Soldiers Loyal to Allah) organization, a small group which is linked to Iran and Hizbullah, the security source added.Members of the cell, some of whom had suicide bomb belts strapped around their bodies, led the horses from trucks and began planting explosive devices along the fence. They were identified by IDF soldiers on patrol, of Golani's 13th Battalion. The gunmen proceeded to open fire on the troops, while mortar fire from deep within the Gaza Strip was also directed at the soldiers.
Soldiers returned fire, and called for backup. At first, tanks were dispatched to the scene, and fired on the terror cell. Air Force combat helicopters then joined the fight, also firing on terrorist targets from above.
Hamas praised the martyrs (again showing that the terrorists and the Gazans cheer for the hope to murder Israelis), instead of denouncing them.
Despite this, Israel continues transferring humanitarian aid into Gaza. In this case, it was vaccines for foot-and-mouth disease and 140 truckloads of aid.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:01:39am |
re: #610 JCM
Iran is ripe for the Mad Mullahs to get tossed the youths are very restless.
It's the perfect opportunity for us to follow the model of what Reagan did in Poland, supporting Solidarity. We can support the reformers and let the Iranians do it all. The youth in Iran would are already predisposed to look to the west anyway.
Sorry, but the USA has been working the dissatisfied youth/ academically oppressed/ enlightened modertaes/ pro western style angle in Iran since the Reagan years
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:02:18am |
re: #621 pre-Boomer Marine brat
My parents' generation built bomb shelters back in the Fifties.
Now I'm wondering if any of them are still around.
When Mandy's mad, I start diggin.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:02:37am |
re: #592 avanti
Hopefully we'll see a change in leadership in Iran, the youth vote needs to stay energized to toss out Dinnerjacket
Even if Dinerjacket loses that Mullahs retain power, they don't stand for election.
The key is the military, where are their loyalties?
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:03:02am |
re: #583 JCM
The abortion debate really pisses me off. so pro-abortion capitalists are saying "how dare a woman choose to keep her downs syndrome baby".
I thought pro-choice meant pro-choice?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:03:18am |
The thing about living in farming and horse country is that people actually farm and raise horses.
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:03:57am |
re: #600 realwest
The US has a no first use policy, and Obama is the last President I'd expect to go Major Kong on pushing the button.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:04:53am |
re: #611 Dark_Falcon
Yes, and it's not like Downs kids are on life-support or a coma or anything. They have love to give and receive and they add much to their families. Many can go mainstreamed through school, etc..
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:05:26am |
re: #593 Dark_Falcon
All right avanti, then I will put this question to you: What shall we do about North Korea? In your answer, please include a "red line" that if crossed by the Norks, would automatically trigger a US military response if you were C-in-C?
First, both Iran and Korea are not threats to the US for several years, and both may have new leadership before that.
A automatic response would follow the rules of all previous POTUS's dealing with a nuke threat from China or Russia by mutual deterrence. If a attack is launched on the US by the Norks, Russia or China a full nuke response would be automatic.
Let me ask you a question. Do you support a preemptive strike on the Norks well before they are a threat ? If so, what effect on the safety of our troops in South Korea do you anticipate and is it worth a potential second Korean war, perhaps involving the Chinese to react now.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:05:26am |
re: #629 FrogMarch
Only if the choice is to abort. Just like the argument that by being pro life Sarah Palin was not qualified on Women's Issues, but FCBBHO is.
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:05:39am |
re: #610 JCM
With any and all luck, it would at least delay the Mullahs' "ambitions" for a bit.
/but that's asking for too much
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:05:41am |
re: #603 MandyManners
Or a fairly ill realwest; I don't know why y'all continue to play with JMV - she brings NOTHING to the table intellectually and simply obfuscates issues.
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:05:53am |
re: #591 Spenser (with an S)
re: #591 Spenser (with an S)
Both of these writers seem concerned about ensuring that the adulation that Palin received for carrying Trig to term does not result in people developing romantic notions about what such a decision entails or in giving strength to efforts to limit access to abortion.
It's noteworthy that neither of the writers cited here is obviously associated w/ the political left. The first is, apparently, an economic libertarian who does not want to expand the size of the population dependent on public funds. The other has a similar concern, but seems less concerned about the tax burden than about the difficulty of providing for such individuals. They are similar perspectives, but the latter seems concerned w/ the welfare o affected parent and children whereas the other seems primarily concerned about his pocketbook.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:06:22am |
re: #631 lawhawk
The US has a no first use policy, and Obama is the last President I'd expect to go Major Kong on pushing the button.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:06:57am |
re: #633 avanti
First, both Iran and Korea are not threats to the US for several years, and both may have new leadership before that.
Ahhh , the Wishful Thinking approach to International Problems!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:07:46am |
re: #636 realwest
Or a fairly ill realwest; I don't know why y'all continue to play with JMV - she brings NOTHING to the table intellectually and simply obfuscates issues.
It's fun to play WHACKAMOLE with it.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:07:46am |
re: #631 lawhawk
The US has a no first use policy, and Obama is the last President I'd expect to go Major Kong on pushing the button.
"Nookyular combat, toe-to-toe with the Norkies"?
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:07:52am |
re: #600 realwest
Or maybe just one or two Neutron warhead Tomahawks aimed at those artillery emplacements.
Or for that matter, several dozen coneventionally warheaded Tomahawks - launched by Submarines, NORKS caught before they can fire any shots at all.
Buddy at work is former arty officer, we take quite a bit about this.
Norks have 18,000 tubes on the DMZ most are dug into the mountains with all the targets preprogrammed, the run the tube out to the mouth of the tunnel, fire, run it back in close the blast doors wait and repeat.
He sat on his arty position and watched the drills. Each of those is going to take a precision guided munition into the mouth of the tunnel. We'd need to get the ordinance to do that in the region and have the delivery vehicles there also, then it takes time several days to hit that many targets.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:08:09am |
re: #638 MandyManners
Interesting fact, the black guy on the bomber is the first film role for.....James Earl Jones.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:09:17am |
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:09:42am |
re: #639 sattv4u2
First, both Iran and Korea are not threats to the US for several years, and both may have new leadership before that.
Ahhh , the Wishful Thinking approach to International Problems!
Well avanti thinks that the "opposition" in these countries is reasonable? I'd get excite and point this out vociferously but after doing that over and over and over again and the same people just don't get it, so why waste my time.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:10:25am |
re: #633 avanti
First, both Iran and Korea are not threats to the US for several years, and both may have new leadership before that.
Ever heard of Israel and South Korea?
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:10:25am |
re: #616 Occasional Reader
And of course, that's not going to happen.
Yeah, we'd have to give the CIA permission to run covert ops in another country.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:10:32am |
re: #638 MandyManners
It's one of my favorite films but it is hardly ever on. It must offend the sensibilities of the TV and Hollywood types?
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:10:45am |
re: #637 JustMyView
Yes, that's what they're saying in print, but if these reasonable Dr.-types are writing this, do you doubt what was said in blogs and on protest posters? I'm not trying to change your mind on this topic, just answering your skepticism about people holding these views. They do.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:10:56am |
re: #621 pre-Boomer Marine brat
My parents' generation built bomb shelters back in the Fifties.
Now I'm wondering if any of them are still around.
Um, if they are, kindly check the "sale by date" on all but Army C-Rations!
Same with any ammo that might be in there.
And oh yeah, bring in LOTS of fresh bottled water!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:11:16am |
re: #644 Mithrax
Interesting fact, the black guy on the bomber is the first film role for.....James Earl Jones.
I just love his voice.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:11:40am |
re: #649 Nevergiveup
It's one of my favorite films but it is hardly ever on. It must offend the sensibilities of the TV and Hollywood types?
Oh, I doubt that. The movie is pretty relentlessly anti-military, I'd think it would jibe very well with the Hollywood mindset. (Still a great flick, though.)
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:12:05am |
re: #623 realwest
Geez, even you can't believe that the Mullah's would leave power EVEN IF there were to be full, fair, democratic elections.
'zactly Real.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:12:29am |
re: #610 JCM
Iran is ripe for the Mad Mullahs to get tossed the youths are very restless.
It's the perfect opportunity for us to follow the model of what Reagan did in Poland, supporting Solidarity. We can support the reformers and let the Iranians do it all. The youth in Iran would are already predisposed to look to the west anyway.
If I were a youth leader in Iran, I wouldn't trust the US not to drop us if they could get something from the Iranian leadership, or for any other reason.re: #644 Mithrax
Interesting fact, the black guy on the bomber is the first film role for.....James Earl Jones.
The bombardier, yes.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:12:30am |
re: #652 MandyManners
I just love his voice.
If only you knew the power of the Dark Side of his voice.
This is CNN.
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redstateredneck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:12:36am |
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:13:06am |
re: #597 MandyManners
So, we wait until a smoking, glowing hole replaces Tel Aviv?
Fucking wussy thinking.
Yea, anyone that opposes a war that would cost 10 of thousands of Americans to die is a wussy liberal. I wish there was a law that made all those that send our youth to die to simply spend 90 days on the front lines.
Mandy, I have no idea how many years you spent in the military, or in harms way, but war is not a fucking macho movie, brave men and women die and are crippled.
It's easy to talk tough about a rush to war, if you're not going. I'll leave it to all the John Wayne on here to discuss starting a few wars to show how brave they are, this wuss is going to enjoy the peace in his garage.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:13:07am |
re: #628 opnion
Even if Dinerjacket loses that Mullahs retain power, they don't stand for election.
The key is the military, where are their loyalties?
In part, it's the military, but the Iranian military is segmented. There's the traditional Army, the Artesh, and the IRGC, Revolutionary Guards (aka Pasdaran).
The Pasdaran was formed to protect the Islamic Revolution. Dinnerjacket is a former member, and has replaced at least some of the senior commanders in the Artesh with Pasdaran people.
I can come up with my original links if you want.
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redstateredneck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:13:14am |
re: #656 Occasional Reader
If only you knew the power of the Dark Side of his voice.
This is CNN.
Beat me to it!
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:13:29am |
re: #653 Occasional Reader
Oh, I doubt that. The movie is pretty relentlessly anti-military, I'd think it would jibe very well with the Hollywood mindset. (Still a great flick, though.)
I know they intended it to be anti-military, but everyone I know in the Military loves it.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:13:48am |
re: #631 lawhawk
Oh yes, I thought I'd made that clear up above (about Obama, I mean) but where and when did we develop this No First Use Policy?!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:14:38am |
re: #649 Nevergiveup
It's one of my favorite films but it is hardly ever on. It must offend the sensibilities of the TV and Hollywood types?
The President's Analyst is rarely on, either.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:07am |
re: #661 Nevergiveup
I know they intended it to be anti-military, but everyone I know in the Military loves it.
Same here. I think Kubrick managed to pull off a genuinely funny spoof, that wasn't mean-spirited. Much of Hollywood has forgotten how to do that.
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:09am |
re: #592 avanti
Hopefully we'll see a change in leadership in Iran, the youth vote needs to stay energized to toss out Dinnerjacket
You actually think that elections in Iran are valid?
Only you and Rabbit Bait then.
You want to talk about selected not elected. The Mad Mullahs have decided who is going to win. Who wins will signal the direction the Mullahs wish to take.
If Dinnerjacket loses the Mullahs are doing one of two things, it is either a geniune softening of their position. But more likely it's a sop thrown out to the west to buy time to consolidate their nuclear ambitions.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:18am |
re: #658 avanti
In the case of nuclear weapons it is better to be proactive than to be reactive.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:19am |
re: #658 avanti
Yea, anyone that opposes a war that would cost 10 of thousands of Americans to die is a wussy liberal. I wish there was a law that made all those that send our youth to die to simply spend 90 days on the front lines.
Mandy, I have no idea how many years you spent in the military, or in harms way, but war is not a fucking macho movie, brave men and women die and are crippled.
It's easy to talk tough about a rush to war, if you're not going. I'll leave it to all the John Wayne on here to discuss starting a few wars to show how brave they are, this wuss is going to enjoy the peace in his garage.
And there is that old saying " fight the war now on our terms, or fight it later on someone Else's terms". It ain't always a pretty choice, but a choice that wise men make.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:34am |
California contemplates ultimate reform - no welfare
Could California become the first state in the nation to do away with welfare?
That doomsday scenario is on the table as lawmakers wrestle with a staggering $24.3 billion budget deficit.
County welfare directors are "in shock" at the very idea of getting rid of CalWORKs, which has been widely viewed as one of the most successful social programs in the state's history, said Bruce Wagstaff, director of the Department of Human Assistance in Sacramento.
"It's difficult to come up with the right adjective to react to this," Wagstaff said. "It would be devastating to the people we serve." ..............
As a CA resident (no tomatoes please) I don't see this ever happening. All the same, surely some posters have a few adjectives to offer up to Wagstaff if he's truly stumped.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:38am |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:41am |
re: #633 avanti
First, both Iran and Korea are not threats to the US for several years, and both may have new leadership before that.
A automatic response would follow the rules of all previous POTUS's dealing with a nuke threat from China or Russia by mutual deterrence. If a attack is launched on the US by the Norks, Russia or China a full nuke response would be automatic.
Let me ask you a question. Do you support a preemptive strike on the Norks well before they are a threat ? If so, what effect on the safety of our troops in South Korea do you anticipate and is it worth a potential second Korean war, perhaps involving the Chinese to react now.
I would only be in favor of a preemptive strike in the following two cases:
1. The North was clearly about to attack South Korea, Japan or the US (and even then I'd still probably wait for them to shoot first).
2. The North was shipping nuclear weapons components to Iran or another rouge actor. In this case, the risk to our troops would just have to be accepted. North Korea cannot be allowed to sell nukes to Iran or to terrorist groups. In stopping them means war, then war it must be.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:51am |
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:15:58am |
re: #650 Spenser (with an S)
Yes, that's what they're saying in print, but if these reasonable Dr.-types are writing this, do you doubt what was said in blogs and on protest posters? I'm not trying to change your mind on this topic, just answering your skepticism about people holding these views. They do.
If all kinds of heinous things were said on blogs and protest posters, shouldn't there be some evidence left around? What I heard during the campaign was not criticism of Palin for carrying Trig to term, but criticism of her for wanting to deny to others the right she had--the right to make a choice as to whether to continue the pregnancy after the diagnosis of Down syndrome.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:16:08am |
re: #624 lawhawk
Just when I though my opinion of the barbaric eternal victim (teach-their-children-nothing-but-hate) Jew hating cowards couldn't get any lower.
strapping bombs to horses.
Sick fuckers. I loathe the Palestinian a-holes. No wonder leftist hearts bleed endlessly for them. They really are assholes.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:16:10am |
re: #666 soxfan4life
In the case of nuclear weapons it is better to be proactive than to be reactive AND RADIOACTIVE.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:16:15am |
re: #658 avanti
I have no idea how many years you spent in the military, or in harms way, but war is not a fucking macho movie, brave men and women die and are crippled.
You sanctamonious prick! Yes, MANY brave men and women die and are crippled ,,,,,so that MILLIONS and MILLIONS can continue to live in freedom. It's what has made this experiment of governance that we call the USofA THE greatest and most benevolent nation that this earth has EVER seen
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:16:18am |
re: #639 sattv4u2
Pop Quiz! Where has the Wishful Thinking approach to International Problems actually worked?
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:16:38am |
Somewhat off subject - Using Firefox 3.5 Beta 4 as of this morning - wickedly supersonic, incompatible with AVG and Real Player, will comment on stability after using it for a couple of days. For the faint of heart, it is a separate install that leaves any previous version in place. That is all.
-S-
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:16:40am |
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:16:41am |
re: #655 Kosh's Shadow
If I were a youth leader in Iran, I wouldn't trust the US not to drop us if they could get something from the Iranian leadership, or for any other reason
That is a huge issue, the youth won't stick their necks out unless they know we have their backs.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:17:01am |
re: #658 avanti
Yea, anyone that opposes a war that would cost 10 of thousands of Americans to die is a wussy liberal. I wish there was a law that made all those that send our youth to die to simply spend 90 days on the front lines.
Mandy, I have no idea how many years you spent in the military, or in harms way, but war is not a fucking macho movie, brave men and women die and are crippled.
It's easy to talk tough about a rush to war, if you're not going. I'll leave it to all the John Wayne on here to discuss starting a few wars to show how brave they are, this wuss is going to enjoy the peace in his garage.
Oh, go piss up a rope, ya' fucking wanker.
| 683 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:17:26am |
re: #677 realwest
I have taken to calling that pseudorealism, where the diplomats substitute their wishful thinking for the facts and circumstances as they are.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:17:28am |
re: #677 realwest
Pop Quiz! Where has the Wishful Thinking approach to International Problems actually worked?
Somewhere Over The Rainbow
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Throbert McGee Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:18:13am |
re: #516 Kenneth
Thanks for the fact check. How many states do allow for civil unions?
Courtesy of wikipedia, here's a map showing the situation state-by-state.
States colored red on the map constitutionally ban legal recognition for same-sex couples regardless of terminology: "marriage," "civil union," "domestic partnership," whatever. Right now there are 19 such states.
States colored purple on the map now have same-sex marriage using the term marriage (SSM) -- there are six such states, including Iowa, but there is a possibility that the legal status of SSM in Iowa could change in the future. The other five SSM states are in New England, and the matter is presumably settled for good there.
Dark blue indicates "civil union" laws (CU) -- currently, only New Jersey is solid blue, which indicates that it has a CU law, and does not have a constitutional ban on SSM. California, Nevada, and Oregon are striped blue and orange -- they recognize CU but their constitutions ban SSM. Washington is blue and yellow -- it has CU, and SSM is banned by statute but not by the state constitution. So, that adds up to five states with some form of civil union.
re: #516 Kenneth
And what is the situation of a couple going to civil-union state to get "hitched" and then returning to live in a non-civil-union state?
New York (light blue on the map) is currently the only state that does not have its own SSM or CU laws, yet will recognize SSMs/CUs performed out-of-state.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:18:20am |
re: #666 soxfan4life
In the case of nuclear weapons it is better to be proactive than to be
reactiveradioactive.
fixed
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That's Mr. President to you Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:18:28am |
I just thought I'd stop by and point out yet one more opportunity for you to actively participate in my continued glorification.
The good people at Google, in their continued quest to "do no evil", are doing their best to transform our democracy into a "charis-mock-racy" by placing a very important link on their home page for image search
[Link: images.google.com...]
Yes - you too can now "Learn about and participate in The Obama Time Capsule project."
I am that important of a figure in world history.
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CommonCents Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:18:37am |
re: #558 yma o hyd
Heh!
The situation ehre is getting more ludicrous by the day.
Not many people on your side of the Big Pond know this - but Gord has now several ennobled former Labour politicians in his cabinet - who are of course not MPs, thus ahve not been voted for, do not ahve constituencies and are thus responsible only to Gord - not the electorate.
You mean like Czars?
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Gus Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:18:42am |
1.2 trillion dollars from the Fed to lower mortgage rates is having the reverse effect. Mortgage rates are going up.
Unemployment figures are higher than expected and has now reached 9.4 percent.
Canadian mayors pass "Buy Canadian" resolution in response to Stimulus Package provisions.
US toxic asset plans are in serious doubt.
North Korea is swiftly developing its nuclear weapons program.
Two Americans have been sentenced to 12 year prison terms in North Korea.
Barack Obama is set to announce a ramp up in stimulus spending -- promising 600,000 "jobs" for the summer.
It's already June and July is coming fast and we are already at the half-way point for 2009. We are going nowhere fast with this administration and they along with congress have yet to manipulate, regulate, and Federalize the health care system.
Then there's California pending "bailout", cap and trade, Iran and their nuke program, and Government Motors.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:18:55am |
re: #658 avanti
Yea, anyone that opposes a war that would cost 10 of thousands of Americans to die is a wussy liberal. I wish there was a law that made all those that send our youth to die to simply spend 90 days on the front lines.
Mandy, I have no idea how many years you spent in the military, or in harms way, but war is not a fucking macho movie, brave men and women die and are crippled.
It's easy to talk tough about a rush to war, if you're not going. I'll leave it to all the John Wayne on here to discuss starting a few wars to show how brave they are, this wuss is going to enjoy the peace in his garage.
Sometimes, the choice is 10s of thousands of dead, or millions dead first, like if the Iranians gave a nuclear bomb to Al Qaeda or another terrorist group and they detonated it in NYC.
Chamberlain didn't want to pay the price for stopping Hitler early, so everyone paid a much bigger price later.
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:18:59am |
re: #659 pre-Boomer Marine brat
In part, it's the military, but the Iranian military is segmented. There's the traditional Army, the Artesh, and the IRGC, Revolutionary Guards (aka Pasdaran).
The Pasdaran was formed to protect the Islamic Revolution. Dinnerjacket is a former member, and has replaced at least some of the senior commanders in the Artesh with Pasdaran people.
I can come up with my original links if you want.
A few plane crashes made that possible.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:19:02am |
re: #681 JCM
That is a huge issue, the youth won't stick their necks out unless they know we have their backs.
Now a days it only seems we have the backs of tyrants, dictators, commies, and Mullahs? Times have changed ha?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:19:53am |
re: #673 JustMyView
If all kinds of heinous things were said on blogs and protest posters, shouldn't there be some evidence left around? What I heard during the campaign was not criticism of Palin for carrying Trig to term, but criticism of her for wanting to deny to others the right she had--the right to make a choice as to whether to continue the pregnancy after the diagnosis of Down syndrome.
Did you have your eyes closed and your ears covered?
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:20:19am |
Oh, I'm feeling so much safer now. The US and Pakistanis said that they had contingencies for this, but now Pakistani leader Zardari says that the Pakistani nukes could indeed fall into the hands of the Taliban.
Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari has said there is a possibility that its nuclear arsenal could fall into the hands of the Taliban if democracy “fails” in his country and the world doesn’t help.“If democracy in this country fails, if the world doesn’t help democracy — then any eventuality is a possibility,” he said in an interview to German newspaper Der Spiegel when asked whether he, like his late wife Benazir Bhutto, feared that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons could fall into the hands of Islamist extremists.
“But as long as democracy is there, there is no question of that situation arising. All important installations and weaponry are always under extra security,” Zardari said.
Yet another reason to keep unstable regimes from ever getting their hands on nukes in the first place.
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redstateredneck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:20:28am |
Had stuttering problem as a child and said very little as a child; still struggles with the problem and says he has to think about what he says carefully before saying it (impressive, since he is known widely for his voice).
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avanti Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:20:30am |
re: #670 Dark_Falcon
I would only be in favor of a preemptive strike in the following two cases:
1. The North was clearly about to attack South Korea, Japan or the US (and even then I'd still probably wait for them to shoot first).
2. The North was shipping nuclear weapons components to Iran or another rouge actor. In this case, the risk to our troops would just have to be accepted. North Korea cannot be allowed to sell nukes to Iran or to terrorist groups. In stopping them means war, then war it must be.
Then we are in 100% agreement, and you made me feel much better about a rush to war I perceive by some on the right. You have a nice morning Dark.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:20:57am |
re: #688 That's Mr. President to you
How ya' doin', ya fucking Commie bastard?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:21:40am |
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:22:16am |
re: #642 JCM Well I'm certainly no expert on Artillery (Hey DustyVet, if you're reading this, feel free to wade on in here!) but the last report I've seen says 13,000 not 18,000 (and YES 5,000 or more tubes does make a difference) and secondly, there is no such thing as a blast proof door. None. Unless everyone of those 13,000 artillery pieces are behind blast doors (which I doubt; blast doors are expensive as are the "mini-railroad tracks" needed) AND on shock absorber bases, my approach would work (and please don't forget that the SKORKS have a fairly impressive artillery arsenal available as well).
The key woud be to strike first, and second. Then if needed a third time.
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That's Mr. President to you Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:22:29am |
re: #688 That's Mr. President to you
[out of character]
I strongly urge all people of libertine inclination to look at that link. Goebbels is salivating in hell right now. It is truly sickening.
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justabill Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:22:43am |
re: #656 Occasional Reader
If only you knew the power of the Dark Side of his voice.
This is CNN.
Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe...
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:23:02am |
re: #692 JCM
A few plane crashes made that possible.
Yeah.
(last swipe -- any discussion of the "internals" of Iran, either military or economic, has to include the Pasdaran.)
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:23:30am |
re: #688 That's Mr. President to you
Yes - you too can now "Learn about and participate in The Obama Time Capsule project."
I am that important of a figure in world history.
Mr. President, I saw that the other day, and forget to mention it.
One thing I don't understand: If Evan Thomas of Newsweek is correct, and you are God, you must therefore "stand outside of time". So how can one make a "time capsule" about you?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:24:21am |
re: #688 That's Mr. President to you
Can we just stick Obama in his time capsule? We can defrost him in 100 years as an example of how the public can be led astray.
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opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:24:25am |
re: #659 pre-Boomer Marine brat
In part, it's the military, but the Iranian military is segmented. There's the traditional Army, the Artesh, and the IRGC, Revolutionary Guards (aka Pasdaran).
The Pasdaran was formed to protect the Islamic Revolution. Dinnerjacket is a former member, and has replaced at least some of the senior commanders in the Artesh with Pasdaran people.
I can come up with my original links if you want.
No need for the links, I do recall. The Revolutionary guards are a paramilitary controlled by the Mullahs. The Army was violently purged By the Ayotollah whe he returned from France.
The Military is key, if they turn on the Mullahs, everything changes.
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:24:26am |
re: #694 MandyManners
Did you have your eyes closed and your ears covered?
Again, if there was so much noise on this topic, you'd think there be evidence. So far, what's been presented is kind of a puny demonstration that there was any kind of great wave of public opinion that Trig Palin should have been aborted. I'm willing to be convinced. Since you, Iron Fist, and others want to make this claim, it's up to you to support it.
Or, you could just go on insulting me, but that's not a particularly compelling way to make your case.
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:24:26am |
re: #688 That's Mr. President to you
I just thought I'd stop by and point out yet one more opportunity for you to actively participate in my continued glorification.
The good people at Google, in their continued quest to "do no evil", are doing their best to transform our democracy into a "charis-mock-racy" by placing a very important link on their home page for image search
[Link: images.google.com...]
Yes - you too can now "Learn about and participate in The Obama Time Capsule project."
I am that important of a figure in world history.
Mr. Prez, say you might send Algore to talk with the Norks about those two reporters.
Can we just do a swap, give 'em Algore for the reporters!
It's a win win!
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:24:28am |
re: #705 Occasional Reader
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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johnnyreb Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:24:31am |
re: #576 JCM
The Norks can't win against the US and the South. They can make it bloody. If the flag goes up all the Nork units have preplanned missions, it if comms are cut they launch on their missions. One of those things is to throw everything as rapidly possible into the South.
For us and the south (and China)to preempt the Norks would take a massive build up which would tip them off.
They can make it so bloody that IMO we would quit. They have over 1 million men in their army. The North attacked the South in 1950 with a quarter of that number and almost won when we had basically more troops than we have there now. Granted we and the ROK's were not expecting an attack (even though we had ample warning), and the North used bunches of Russian T-35/85 tanks that we did not think they had and that were very difficult to stop.
The North can and most likely would obliterate Seoul in the first few minutes of an attack. We can't stop them from doing that. We can make them pay dearly for it, but we could not stop it. Then about 1 million men come marching over the DMZ. We can stop a bunch of them, but we ain't going to stop them all. It would most likely end up like late 1950 again and us stopping them short of Pusan and making a stand. There is where I think we might actually just give up and leave.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:24:58am |
re: #583 JCM
Can you say "utilitarianism"? Sure, I knew you could.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:26:00am |
re: #707 opnion
No need for the links, I do recall. The Revolutionary guards are a paramilitary controlled by the Mullahs. The Army was violently purged By the Ayotollah whe he returned from France.
The Military is key, if they turn on the Mullahs, everything changes.
I agree with that.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:26:17am |
What would Smoot and Hawley say?
US trading partners complain about protectionism
WASHINGTON (AP) -- America's largest trading partners are warning that protectionist moves by Congress could poison global trade relations, despite President Barack Obama's assurances that he wants to keep U.S. markets open.
Businesses in the European Union and Canada complain they have been shut out of U.S. markets because of the "Buy American" provision in the massive stimulus bill, passed in February, which requires the use of U.S.-manufactured products.
EU and Canadian officials worry the practice is widening, as Congress is considering adding similar measures to other spending bills.
Buy American supporters want to make sure that the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars being spent to revive the economy create jobs at home. The U.S. unemployment rate is at its highest level in 25 years.
Many U.S. exporters fear the provisions will backfire, costing American jobs as other countries retaliate. Some municipalities in Canada have begun organizing boycotts of U.S. products, and EU and Canadian officials say they are reviewing their options.
The Obama administration is looking for ways to reassure trading partners as it prepares to detail its trade policy in coming weeks.
Though much of the trading partners' ire is aimed at Congress, there also is uncertainty about Obama's commitment to free trade. As a candidate seeking support from working-class voters, Obama had criticized some U.S. trade agreements. .................
Now what was Obama's position on trade again? Can someone remind me?
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:26:37am |
re: #581 avanti
I disagree, the Saudi's would not gain from a nuke war in the Mideast. It would take decades for the worlds economy and oil demand to recover. If Israel takes out the nukes, the Saudi's will bitch publicly, but quietly cheer.
I disagree with that analysis. Both during and after such a war, the world will be desperate for secure oil supply. To the extent that the Saudis can serve that need, they will be rewarded handsomely. This is that same reason the Russians are helping Iran. If it comes to war, the Russians will clean up on oil & gas sales to Europe.
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eschew_obfuscation Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:26:54am |
re: #670 Dark_Falcon
I would only be in favor of a preemptive strike in the following two cases:
1. The North was clearly about to attack South Korea, Japan or the US (and even then I'd still probably wait for them to shoot first).
2. The North was shipping nuclear weapons components to Iran or another rouge actor. In this case, the risk to our troops would just have to be accepted. North Korea cannot be allowed to sell nukes to Iran or to terrorist groups. In stopping them means war, then war it must be.
Who'd ya have in mind? Someone like Rue Paul?
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John Neverbend Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:27:08am |
A week or so ago, did somebody post an item about WolframAlpha? I have since used it to help with the solution of crossword puzzles, although it's not perfect. If you type in a word where you only know some of the letters and use underscores for the missing letters, Wolfram Alpha will in some cases return to you all the possible words that fit. In other cases, it just doesn't recognize the word.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:27:26am |
re: #701 That's Mr. President to you
[out of character]
I strongly urge all people of libertine inclination to look at that link. Goebbels is salivating in hell right now. It is truly sickening.
It's tab icon in Firefox was quite apt: A single star in a red field.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:27:37am |
re: #686 Throbert McGee
New York (light blue on the map) is currently the only state that does not have its own SSM or CU laws, yet will recognize SSMs/CUs performed out-of-state.
I thought that the Commerce Clause made such recognition mandatory, even if the state itself doesn't perform such unions.
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:27:40am |
re: #700 realwest
Well I'm certainly no expert on Artillery (Hey DustyVet, if you're reading this, feel free to wade on in here!) but the last report I've seen says 13,000 not 18,000 (and YES 5,000 or more tubes does make a difference) and secondly, there is no such thing as a blast proof door. None. Unless everyone of those 13,000 artillery pieces are behind blast doors (which I doubt; blast doors are expensive as are the "mini-railroad tracks" needed) AND on shock absorber bases, my approach would work (and please don't forget that the SKORKS have a fairly impressive artillery arsenal available as well).
The key woud be to strike first, and second. Then if needed a third time.
5000 less targets is good. Over all I'm with you.
I don't think a shooting match is an IF, just when. I'd prefer doing on our terms and getting in a massive first lick.
My point is no matter which way it goes it's gonna' be messy as all hell.
I just don't see the Norks folding with a whimper.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:28:05am |
re: #701 That's Mr. President to you
[out of character]
I strongly urge all people of libertine inclination to look at that link. Goebbels is salivating in hell right now. It is truly sickening.
I'm salivating, too, but it's the kind you do right before you puke your guts up.
| 723 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:28:30am |
| 724 |
badger1970 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:28:31am |
re: #629 FrogMarch
prochoice=abortion, always has and always will
| 725 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:28:56am |
re: #705 Occasional Reader
Mr. President, I saw that the other day, and forget to mention it.
One thing I don't understand: If Evan Thomas of Newsweek is correct, and you are God, you must therefore "stand outside of time". So how can one make a "time capsule" about you?
And, why does he need Air Force One?
| 726 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:30:18am |
re: #658 avanti
Well ok, this "armchair general" did indeed spend time in combat - infantry type combat, in Vietnam. And you're right- there isn't anything glorious about war, it is indeed a bloody, God-awful affair that doesn't end when the war does.
But that doesn't mean that War isn't sometimes necessary to preserve the things you love and cherish, like, say, Freedom.
IIRC, jcm posted on the DT on the official Memorial Day (Monday) that OVER ONE MILLION American men have lost their lives in the service of this Nation avanti. Just let that number sink in for a minute. And I for one am NOT prepared to see all of those lives lost in vain.
Nor am I willing to allow us to lose those precious Freedoms that were won and kept by wars.
| 727 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:30:23am |
re: #715 Pianobuff
What would Smoot and Hawley say?
I've always thought those names sound like archaic courting rituals.
| 728 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:31:06am |
| 729 |
JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:31:11am |
re: #712 Ward Cleaver
Can you say "utilitarianism"? Sure, I knew you could.
What's good for the state......
| 730 |
John Neverbend Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:31:15am |
re: #8 freetoken
Sometimes I've posted links to what I thought was a really great story, good research, etc. and they get almost no clicks and no dings at all. At other times I've posted stories that literally get hundreds of clicks. Then I post stories that get a handful of clicks and just as many dings...
How can I see how many clicks occur for a given posting?
| 731 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:31:39am |
re: #727 MandyManners
I've always thought those names sound like archaic courting rituals.
That would be Hoot and Smally
| 732 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:31:52am |
re: #727 MandyManners
I've always thought those names sound like archaic courting rituals.
If it's archaic, it Smoot.
| 733 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:32:15am |
| 734 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:32:52am |
Understanding the Kennedy health care bill
O....M....G
| 735 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:33:21am |
Guaranteed 100% to piss you off
Bureaucrat scuffs dream of homeless shoe shiner
He sleeps under a bridge, washes in a public bathroom and was panhandling for booze money 11 months ago, but now Larry Moore is the best-dressed shoeshine man in the city. When he gets up from his cardboard mattress, he puts on a coat and tie. It's a reminder of how he has turned things around.
In fact, until last week it looked like Moore was going to have saved enough money to rent a room and get off the street for the first time in six years. But then, in a breathtakingly clueless move, an official for the Department of Public Works told Moore that he has to fork over the money he saved for his first month's rent to purchase a $491 sidewalk vendor permit.
"I had $573 ready to go," Moore said, who needs $600 for the rent. "This tore that up. But I've been homeless for six years. Another six weeks isn't going to kill me."
The bureaucrat told Moore that she found out about his business after reading about his success in this paper.
| 736 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:33:21am |
| 738 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:33:59am |
re: #711 johnnyreb
Granted we and the ROK's were not expecting an attack (even though we had ample warning), and the North used bunches of Russian T-35/85 tanks that we did not think they had and that were very difficult to stop.
Also, we (very stupidly) reacted at first by sending in lightly-armed Marines, without the right equipment to stop those tanks. Hopefully we wouldn't make a simliar mistake this time, if it came down to it.
And another thing in the plus column is that I very, very much doubt that China would jump in the fray this time, if it were to happen.
But I agree it would be a horrorshow.
| 739 |
Gus Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:34:22am |
re: #721 JCM
5000 less targets is good. Over all I'm with you.
I don't think a shooting match is an IF, just when. I'd prefer doing on our terms and getting in a massive first lick.
My point is no matter which way it goes it's gonna' be messy as all hell.
I just don't see the Norks folding with a whimper.
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are working on the matter. Let's see looking at the news this morning I find:
US considers interdicting N. Korean shipments: report
and
US considers returning N.Korea to terror list
So far they're up to considering interdicting NORK shipments and considering to put the NORKS back on the terrorist list. This doesn't include any outstanding Blue Helmet Security Council Resolutions.
That'll show 'em!
Talk about taking a weak stance.
| 740 |
opnion Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:34:24am |
re: #708 JustMyView
Again, if there was so much noise on this topic, you'd think there be evidence. So far, what's been presented is kind of a puny demonstration that there was any kind of great wave of public opinion that Trig Palin should have been aborted. I'm willing to be convinced. Since you, Iron Fist, and others want to make this claim, it's up to you to support it.
Or, you could just go on insulting me, but that's not a particularly compelling way to make your case.
JMV, there was a lot of criticism on the Left about Palin having the Down baby. The left wing blogs were paricularly vicious.
One referred to Palin as a white trash woman, married to an Eskimo, with a tramp for a daughter & a crazy baby.
That was the most extreme , but she was roundly critcised for having the baby.
| 741 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:34:25am |
re: #670 Dark_Falcon
2. The North was shipping nuclear weapons components to Iran or another rouge actor. I
Do any actor's even wear rouge anymore?
| 743 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:35:15am |
re: #701 That's Mr. President to you
yeah, I looked at that the other day. Almost threw up contemplating it. 5 months in and they think he is JFK returned to us.
| 744 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:35:34am |
| 745 |
poteen Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:36:30am |
re: #735 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Hope-ing to tax his Change...And they did.
| 746 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:36:40am |
re: #739 Gus 802
Democrats "consider" real good. Republicans ACT.
| 748 |
CommonCents Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:37:07am |
re: #715 Pianobuff
... Some municipalities in Canada have begun organizing boycotts of U.S. products, and EU and Canadian officials say they are reviewing their options....
Canada's just pissed because they don't have representation in the Stanley Cup finals this year.
/
| 750 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:37:14am |
re: #695 lawhawk Nah, he just wants more money from us.Really, those nukes are the ONLY thing Pakistan has going for them; no way the Pakistani government or more importantly, the Pakistani Army is gonna lose control of them.
| 751 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:37:15am |
re: #735 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
So many scumbags in Government with nothing better to do with their time than shakedown the poor.
| 752 |
eschew_obfuscation Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:37:16am |
| 753 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:37:19am |
re: #734 FrogMarch
Understanding the Kennedy health care bill
O....M....G
So now Senator Kennedy has decided to take the country's health care system and drive it off the bridge.
| 754 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:39:04am |
I feel like I have a new lease on life. I miscalculated a due date for a project, calculating it due today (worked all weekend, etc.). I am about to wrap it up and double check my deadlines only to find I gave myself two extra days, but forgot to note that.
[kicking feet up on desk]
| 755 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:39:16am |
re: #738 Occasional Reader
One good reason why I'd like to see Japan enter the arms race:
| 756 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:39:32am |
| 757 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:39:39am |
re: #751 Lincolntf
So many scumbags in Government with nothing better to do with their time than shakedown the poor.
How dare he work to improve his life?! He should get back in line at a homeless shelter and accept what they give him.
/
| 758 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:40:01am |
re: #753 Dark_Falcon
So now Senator Kennedy has decided to take the country's health care system and drive it off the bridge.
And treat the taxpayers like Mary Jo Kopechne.
| 759 |
Gus Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:40:04am |
re: #746 Nevergiveup
Democrats "consider" real good. Republicans ACT.
True. Although the Democrats are swift to act when it comes to spending. Even what they're considering doesn't hold any weight against the NORKS. If I'm not mistaken they're also planning to cut missile defense spending for Alaska.
| 760 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:40:09am |
| 761 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:40:45am |
The Germans are about to bomb Pearl Harbor on AMC.
| 762 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:41:23am |
re: #658 avanti
Yea, anyone that opposes a war that would cost 10 of thousands of Americans to die is a wussy liberal. I wish there was a law that made all those that send our youth to die to simply spend 90 days on the front lines.
Mandy, I have no idea how many years you spent in the military, or in harms way, but war is not a fucking macho movie, brave men and women die and are crippled.
It's easy to talk tough about a rush to war, if you're not going. I'll leave it to all the John Wayne on here to discuss starting a few wars to show how brave they are, this wuss is going to enjoy the peace in his garage.
The idea of staying in your garage while others sacrifice is OK with you?
| 763 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:42:04am |
| 764 |
JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:42:31am |
re: #740 opnion
JMV, there was a lot of criticism on the Left about Palin having the Down baby. The left wing blogs were paricularly vicious.
One referred to Palin as a white trash woman, married to an Eskimo, with a tramp for a daughter & a crazy baby.
That was the most extreme , but she was roundly critcised for having the baby.
Again, I'm willing to be convinced. Surely there must be at least one such link that you could provide.
| 765 |
JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:42:53am |
re: #658 avanti
Yea, anyone that opposes a war that would cost 10 of thousands of Americans to die is a wussy liberal. I wish there was a law that made all those that send our youth to die to simply spend 90 days on the front lines.
Mandy, I have no idea how many years you spent in the military, or in harms way, but war is not a fucking macho movie, brave men and women die and are crippled.
It's easy to talk tough about a rush to war, if you're not going. I'll leave it to all the John Wayne on here to discuss starting a few wars to show how brave they are, this wuss is going to enjoy the peace in his garage.
Peace is not the absence of War.
| 766 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:43:05am |
re: #761 MandyManners
The Germans are about to bomb Pearl Harbor on AMC.
Not the best timing for my #755, I admit...
| 767 |
Racer X Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:43:14am |
re: #688 That's Mr. President to you
Dear Mr. President,
If I put in a request for you to bite me, you wouldn't take that the wrong way and actually, you know, bite me would you? Because its a figurative request.
Regards,
| 768 |
JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:43:27am |
re: #764 JustMyView
Again, I'm willing to be convinced. Surely there must be at least one such link that you could provide.
You were provide with at least two links so far.
| 769 |
alegrias Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:44:01am |
re: #758 soxfan4life
And treat the taxpayers like Mary Jo Kopechne.
* * * **
Yikes! You're not alone in thinking this.
Kennedy's "Health"care Takeover bill was characterized as doing a Mary Jo Kopechne on Americans in a thread over at the Weekly Standard dot com blog I just read moments ago.
(Kennedy's helpful staff have written this travesty against doctors & taxpayers and ultimately, all of us)
| 770 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:44:24am |
re: #721 JCM
"I just don't see the Norks folding with a whimper."
Well that's part of the "million" dollar question, isn't it?
While soldiers have been fed and clothed and housed, they have also witnessed THOUSANDS of their countrymen - some no doubt relatives of those soldiers - die from starvation under the current regime. How hard and how long do you think they'll fight?
| 771 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:44:48am |
re: #762 Spare O'Lake
The idea of staying in your garage while others sacrifice is OK with you?
To be fair, Spare, avanti did take his turn in the Navy and was fired on by NVA coastal batteries while part of the crew of USS Newport News. He may not have seen the worst of what war does, but he did his part.
| 772 |
JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:45:29am |
re: #768 JCM
You were provide with at least two links so far.
But neither of them had anything to do w/ leftist politics.
| 773 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:45:39am |
re: #768 JCM
You were provide with at least two links so far.
*lalalalalalaaaaaaa* It can't heeeeearrrrrrr youuuuuuuuuuuu.
| 774 |
badger1970 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:46:15am |
re: #733 MandyManners
I'll clarify. What happens when a mother who was thinking of an abortion, goes 180 and decides to carry the child full term? Who bitches about it, the so-called pro-choice crowd.
I cannot elaborate on China and its atrocious human rights issue (from organ farming, to forced eugenics to ruthless suppression of dissenters).
| 775 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:46:16am |
re: #764 JustMyView
Again, I'm willing to be convinced. Surely there must be at least one such link that you could provide.
Do your own research
| 776 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:46:25am |
re: #772 JustMyView
Go ahead, just move that goal post a bit farther.
| 777 |
johnnyreb Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:47:37am |
re: #753 Dark_Falcon
So now Senator Kennedy has decided to take the country's health care system and drive it off the bridge.
This is insane@! 500% of poverty level income would get subsidies for buying mandated health care?@?
"People from 150% of poverty up to 500% (!) would get their health insurance subsidized (on a sliding scale). If this were in effect in 2009, a family of four with income of $110,000 would get a small subsidy. The bill does not indicate the source of funds to finance these subsidies."
$110,000 is significantly more than both my and my wives Navy pensions and our full time jobs combined, but they would still get a subsidy? The wife and I both retired from the Navy and we still have to pay for our medical and dental coverage. Granted it isn't a whole bunch but we still have to pay for it, and I had to do 22 years to get it also. And the above example will get a friggin subsidy to help them pay for a policy? Thats criminal IMO.
| 778 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:47:45am |
re: #770 realwest
Pretty damn hard. Endless propaganda e.g. convincing that quite a few of them deserved to be starved can do that within a police state.
| 779 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:49:02am |
re: #769 alegrias
QUICK QUESTION.
Who is this Mary Jo you speak of?
/don't get much American politics over here...that's why I come to LGF q;
| 780 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:49:43am |
re: #770 realwest
"I just don't see the Norks folding with a whimper."
Well that's part of the "million" dollar question, isn't it?
While soldiers have been fed and clothed and housed, they have also witnessed THOUSANDS of their countrymen - some no doubt relatives of those soldiers - die from starvation under the current regime. How hard and how long do you think they'll fight?
I don't know. They've been told so many times that their victory is inevitable that if they are hit hard enough, they might well crumble. Then again, their fear of what defeat might result in could push them all that much harder. I'd rather not find out the answer, myself, but we might not be given that choice.
| 781 |
JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:50:52am |
re: #770 realwest
"I just don't see the Norks folding with a whimper."
Well that's part of the "million" dollar question, isn't it?
While soldiers have been fed and clothed and housed, they have also witnessed THOUSANDS of their countrymen - some no doubt relatives of those soldiers - die from starvation under the current regime. How hard and how long do you think they'll fight?
That goes to the mindset. Which is very hard to read.
My read based on what comes out of the north, including defectors debriefs is that the level of indoctrination is very deep. That the soldiers believe we and the south would be a far worse option than what they have known.
The situation in the North is very 1984 it's level of control.
My gut feel is they will fight with a fanaticism we saw from the Japanese in the closing days of WWII. In their minds they have nothing to lose at that point.
| 782 |
CommonCents Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:51:27am |
re: #772 JustMyView
But neither of them had anything to do w/ leftist politics.
leftist politics is an abortion. How can you not see the correlation?
| 783 |
JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:51:28am |
re: #775 Nevergiveup
Do your own research
I'm not the one who advanced this argument. The original claim was that Sarah Palin had faced significant criticism for carrying Trig to term. So far, the evidence presented in support of that claim is pretty thin. It's not up to me to do the research; it's up to whomever wants to prove the original point.
| 785 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:51:46am |
re: #779 lazardo
QUICK QUESTION.
Who is this Mary Jo you speak of?
/don't get much American politics over here...that's why I come to LGF q;
| 787 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:52:04am |
/Rant On
Here’s my issue with Obama’s tabla rosa/empathy/equivalency/above-it-all schtick.
Everybody can be right and everybody can be wrong and in the end it’s nothing more than a political/cultural orgy of solipsism.
WORM (what Obama really meant) is practiced on all sides of an issue with the metaphysical above-it-all POTUS playing a divine version of the SNL character that says “please discuss amongst yourselves”.
We see it in the Middle East, where now more energy is being expended on both sides claiming to have the WORM truth since the Cairo speech.
We see it in the USA, on any host of issues (Gitmo, EIT, trade, etc).
The problem is the public is left to its own to figure out WORM and all can claim that they’re right.
With Kerry, at least he was “before it before he was against it”. With our current POTUS, we are left to our own devices to deal with a leader that is concurrently for it and against it. This isn’t flip-flopping, this is more like “floiping”.
In my estimation, this explains why he can be as popular as he is – because he has elevated rhetorical bi-polarism to an art form.
/Rant Off
Man, I feel better now….
| 788 |
alegrias Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:52:10am |
re: #764 JustMyView
Again, I'm willing to be convinced. Surely there must be at least one such link that you could provide.
* * * *
You don't believe the folks who promote late late term abortions disagreed vocally with Sarah Palin's choice to keep her baby with Down Syndrome? Surely you jest.
| 789 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:52:28am |
| 790 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:52:36am |
re: #779 lazardo
Mary Jo Kopechnne, the victim of Ted Kennedy's 1969 car accident at Chappaquiddick.
[Link: foia.fbi.gov...]
| 791 |
turn Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:52:41am |
re: #777 johnnyreb
Yeah insane, and they don't even offer a suggestion as to how this will be paid for (ummm higher taxes for the rich?). What a disastrous plan, socialized medicine where they cover everybody by taxing the rich.
| 792 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:53:19am |
re: #771 Dark_Falcon Even so, what he says is nonesense here, Dark_Falcon. Not everyone who stands up and says OK WE'LL FIGHT is a wuss or an armchair general.
Sometimes War is the answer.
For the rest, please see my #726 above.
| 793 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:53:33am |
re: #789 Dark_Falcon
I am just a little faster this morning that's all.
| 794 |
turn Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:53:51am |
re: #779 lazardo
QUICK QUESTION.
Who is this Mary Jo you speak of?
/don't get much American politics over here...that's why I come to LGF q;
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 795 |
CommonCents Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:54:08am |
re: #787 Pianobuff
/Rant On
Here’s my issue with Obama’s tabla rosa/empathy/equivalency/above-it-all schtick.
Everybody can be right and everybody can be wrong and in the end it’s nothing more than a political/cultural orgy of solipsism.
WORM (what Obama really meant) is practiced on all sides of an issue with the metaphysical above-it-all POTUS playing a divine version of the SNL character that says “please discuss amongst yourselves”.
We see it in the Middle East, where now more energy is being expended on both sides claiming to have the WORM truth since the Cairo speech.
We see it in the USA, on any host of issues (Gitmo, EIT, trade, etc).
The problem is the public is left to its own to figure out WORM and all can claim that they’re right.
With Kerry, at least he was “before it before he was against it”. With our current POTUS, we are left to our own devices to deal with a leader that is concurrently for it and against it. This isn’t flip-flopping, this is more like “floiping”.
In my estimation, this explains why he can be as popular as he is – because he has elevated rhetorical bi-polarism to an art form.
/Rant Off
Man, I feel better now….
Props. Well said. It's no longer triangularism like Clinton, it has become dimensionalism.
| 796 |
Gus Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:54:24am |
re: #785 Dark_Falcon
Mere mortals would have gotten at least manslaughter charges. But not a Kennedy.
| 797 |
soxfan4life Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:54:24am |
re: #791 turn
Yeah insane, and they don't even offer a suggestion as to how this will be paid for (ummm higher taxes for the rich?). What a disastrous plan, socialized medicine where they cover everybody by taxing the rich.
They plan on providing everything to 90% of the population by taxing the rich, not just health care.
| 798 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:55:02am |
Opponents highlight Ahmadinejad eccentricity (and by eccentricity, they mean bat shit crazy)
A 2005 claim by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that a "light" surrounded him during a U.N. address was mocked Monday by his main pro-reform opponents in the latest barrage against the president's competence and another sign of the bitter tone dominating the election campaign in its final days.
Ahmadinejad and his main challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, have traded recriminations and engaged in mudslinging that has broken political taboos in Iran, reflecting the huge stakes in Friday's vote.
Reformists — sensing that Ahmadinejad's once-formidable lead has evaporated — have increased their attacks seeking to portray him has erratic and eccentric. Ahmadinejad has struck back with accusations that Mousavi, who served as prime minister in the 1980s, is part of a clique of corrupt leaders who put their own interests ahead of the country.
The current reformist salvo is a video clip sent by e-mail and on CDs of Ahmadinejad telling a top cleric, Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi Amoli, that a "light" enveloped him during his address to the U.N. General Assembly in 2005 and that the crowd stared without blinking during the entire speech.
"A member of the (Iranian) delegation told me, 'I saw a light that surrounded you,'" Ahmadinejad said. "I sensed it myself too ... I felt the atmosphere changed. All leaders in audience didn't blink for 27, 28 minutes. I'm not exaggerating when I'm saying they didn't blink. Everybody had been astonished ... they had opened their eyes and ears to see what is the message from the Islamic Republic."
The clip was released after Ahmadinejad on Saturday denied making the comment.
| 799 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:55:38am |
re: #783 JustMyView
I'm not the one who advanced this argument. The original claim was that Sarah Palin had faced significant criticism for carrying Trig to term. So far, the evidence presented in support of that claim is pretty thin. It's not up to me to do the research; it's up to whomever wants to prove the original point.
re: #783 JustMyView
I'm not the one who advanced this argument. The original claim was that Sarah Palin had faced significant criticism for carrying Trig to term. So far, the evidence presented in support of that claim is pretty thin. It's not up to me to do the research; it's up to whomever wants to prove the original point.
Look you either have a short memory or are just trying to be purposely argumentative like you usually are. There were many threads here on LGF's about this also. They Treated Palin so shamelessly, that only someone with a partisan ax to grind would have or does not notice that.
| 800 |
alegrias Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:55:44am |
re: #774 badger1970
I'll clarify. What happens when a mother who was thinking of an abortion, goes 180 and decides to carry the child full term? Who bitches about it, the so-called pro-choice crowd.
I cannot elaborate on China and its atrocious human rights issue (from organ farming, to forced eugenics to ruthless suppression of dissenters).
* * * * *
Speaking of heartless FOR THE CHILDREN:
How about all those Chinese families whose ONLY child died when schools collapsed and killed hundreds of children, and could not have another child--because China's ONE CHILD policy rules?
| 801 |
turn Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:56:08am |
re: #797 soxfan4life
They plan on providing everything to 90% of the population by taxing the rich, not just health care.
You got that right, o's plan is unsustainable and will sink the USA.
| 802 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:56:16am |
| 803 |
JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:57:28am |
re: #788 alegrias
* * * *
You don't believe the folks who promote late late term abortions disagreed vocally with Sarah Palin's choice to keep her baby with Down Syndrome? Surely you jest.
I'm saying I haven't seen evidence of such disagreement. If you did, please tell me where.
Pro-choice advocates advocate choice, not abortion. People promote the availability of safe, legal abortions for people who make that choice, not having abortions. You're thinking of the government of China.
| 804 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:57:38am |
re: #778 lazardo Yeah, but endless propaganda doesn't negate what they see with their own eyes. And don't forget about some of them losing family members to starvation. The idea of "who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes" does indeed come into play here. But the civilian devastion wrought by lil Kim is SO widespread, that propaganda just won't cover it.
| 805 |
subsailor68 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:57:52am |
Morning all! Three separate stories about economic decisions (made by politicians):
Bond-market rout lifts mortgage cost
Democrats Weigh Health Mandate as Obama Urges Taxing Wealthy
US Unemployment Rate Gallops Ahead of Expectations
Let's review: First, the bond market is balking at the out of control spending, pushing rates higher in fear of inflation. Killing the mortgage rate interests.
Second, let's "tax the rich" proposal to fund heath care. It's already been calculated (by GAO IIRC) that it wouldn't come close.
Third, unemployment figures higher than expected. Really? Oh, and yeah, unemployment takes folks out of the market (where they pay taxes) and into government support programs (e.g. unemployment insurance), thus adding to the debt via loss of tax revenue.
So how is our government responding?
Obama’s Economic Circle Keeps Tensions High
It seems Mr. Summers doesn't play well with others, and the others don't play well with each other.
We're screwed.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:58:21am |
re: #781 JCM
On the weekend I was talking with a man who served in Korea during the war. His unit was in a battle when they were overrun by the Chinese. He said there were thousands upon thousands of Chinese just running forward. The first waves had only wooden guns, the subsequent waves and one gun per two soldiers. The idea was to absorb as many bullets as necessary and still have enough live bodies to over-run the enemy. The veteran said he only survived because he was in a tank and the Chinese had no weapons to knock out a tank. They shot all their ammo and retreated. He sure didn't think North Korea was worth fighting for over all over again, but he was sure they will eventually use their nukes if they got them working.
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alegrias Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:58:52am |
re: #779 lazardo
QUICK QUESTION.
Who is this Mary Jo you speak of?
/don't get much American politics over here...that's why I come to LGF q;
* * * * * * *
Mary Jo Kopechne was a young woman who worked for Senator Ted Kennedy in his office, and with whom Kennedy was having an affair. Miss Kopechne may have been pregnant when Sen. Kennedy drove the car they were both in over a bridge in Chappaquidick, Massachusetts, the car fell into the ocean, and she drowned.
Sen. Kennedy did not report her death, but hid at his family's palatial compound until his family's lawyers advised him what to say and do.
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:59:08am |
re: #803 JustMyView
I'm saying I haven't seen evidence of such disagreement. If you did, please tell me where.
Pro-choice advocates advocate choice, not abortion. People promote the availability of safe, legal abortions for people who make that choice, not having abortions. You're thinking of the government of China.
The link I gave up thread advocated abortion. It's point was Palin was wrong and should have aborted Trig. No choice, sub-par fetuses should be terminated. No option.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:59:16am |
re: #803 JustMyView
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:59:26am |
re: #771 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, Spare, avanti did take his turn in the Navy and was fired on by NVA coastal batteries while part of the crew of USS Newport News. He may not have seen the worst of what war does, but he did his part.
OK, if that is true then I guess that gives him the right to pontificate, but I'm a bit surprised at his attitude, to say the least.
| 811 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:59:32am |
re: #798 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Opponents highlight Ahmadinejad eccentricity (and by eccentricity, they mean bat shit crazy)
"I sensed it myself too ... I felt the atmosphere changed. All leaders in audience didn't blink for 27, 28 minutes. I'm not exaggerating when I'm saying they didn't blink. Everybody had been astonished ... they had opened their eyes and ears to see what is the message from the Islamic Republic."
Now, that *is* bat-shit crazy.
| 812 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:59:37am |
re: #801 turn
You got that right, o's plan is unsustainable and will sink the USA.
We're just not patriotic enough to live up to Barry's dream.
/
| 813 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:00:16am |
re: #792 realwest
Even so, what he says is nonesense here, Dark_Falcon. Not everyone who stands up and says OK WE'LL FIGHT is a wuss or an armchair general.
Sometimes War is the answer.
For the rest, please see my #726 above.
I agree with you. I was just pointing out that avanti, had at least some small experience in what war means (you do have more). He's still wrong and you're still right.
| 814 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:00:23am |
re: #796 Gus 802
Mere mortals would have gotten at least manslaughter charges. But not a Kennedy.
Quick! Send that drunk to the US senate. for life! He's a liberal hero.
*spit*
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:00:50am |
re: #804 realwest
Yeah, but endless propaganda doesn't negate what they see with their own eyes. And don't forget about some of them losing family members to starvation. The idea of "who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes" does indeed come into play here. But the civilian devastion wrought by lil Kim is SO widespread, that propaganda just won't cover it.
It won't. They have ways of keeping loyal citizens...loyal.
| 816 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:00:52am |
re: #807 alegrias
Ever read Senatorial Privilege? It's a good account of the night in question as well as the months of weaseling/favor-calling in that made the issue "go away" for TK. Can't remember the author at the moment.
| 817 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:01:28am |
re: #805 subsailor68
So how is our government responding?Obama’s Economic Circle Keeps Tensions High
It seems Mr. Summers doesn't play well with others, and the others don't play well with each other.
We're screwed.
Drudge was hyping that article yesterday. It seems like a fizzle to me.
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ConservatismNow! Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:01:34am |
re: #800 alegrias
* * * * *
Speaking of heartless FOR THE CHILDREN:How about all those Chinese families whose ONLY child died when schools collapsed and killed hundreds of children, and could not have another child--because China's ONE CHILD policy rules?
Speaking of child tragedies, did we talk about the Mexico day care fire already?
| 819 |
VioletTiger Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:02:20am |
re: #798 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Wow. Could the Iranians really reject Marmalade Dinnerjacket?
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:02:50am |
re: #806 Kenneth
On the weekend I was talking with a man who served in Korea during the war. His unit was in a battle when they were overrun by the Chinese. He said there were thousands upon thousands of Chinese just running forward. The first waves had only wooden guns, the subsequent waves and one gun per two soldiers. The idea was to absorb as many bullets as necessary and still have enough live bodies to over-run the enemy. The veteran said he only survived because he was in a tank and the Chinese had no weapons to knock out a tank. They shot all their ammo and retreated. He sure didn't think North Korea was worth fighting for over all over again, but he was sure they will eventually use their nukes if they got them working.
I've seen those stories.
As I said to Real, I think the Norks are just when not if.
The best scenario I can envision is Kim kicking the bucket, then an nasty civil war breaking out in NorKo, bleeding them dry and leaving a helpless and protrate NorKo which will take massive intervention to keep 10's of millions from dying simply of starvation.
At that the best scenario I can come up with.
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Kragar Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:02:57am |
re: #811 MandyManners
Now, that *is* bat-shit crazy.
Dinnerjacket's cronies already have an answer to the criticism as well. Apparently only the truly pious could see the aura, so anyone who claims not to see it must not be truly faithful.
| 822 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:03:25am |
re: #819 VioletTiger
Wow. Could the Iranians really reject Marmalade Dinnerjacket?
Only if the mullahs let them.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:05:03am |
re: #821 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Dinnerjacket's cronies already have an answer to the criticism as well. Apparently only the truly pious could see the aura, so anyone who claims not to see it must not be truly faithful.
Kind of like if a witch doesn't float, she wasn't a witch?
| 825 |
Dianna Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:05:05am |
re: #821 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Dinnerjacket's cronies already have an answer to the criticism as well. Apparently only the truly pious could see the aura, so anyone who claims not to see it must not be truly faithful.
Nice trick, if a bit predictable.
| 826 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:05:09am |
re: #822 Dark_Falcon
IIRC they have a Guardian Council that "approves" candidates for elections. That Mousavi is even a candidate means they must have approved him.
| 827 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:05:17am |
re: #821 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Dinnerjacket's cronies already have an answer to the criticism as well. Apparently only the truly pious could see the aura, so anyone who claims not to see it must not be truly faithful.
A variation on the "No True Scotsman" fallacy: "Only a Pious Muslim can see the Aura".
/spits
| 828 |
JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:05:47am |
re: #819 VioletTiger
Wow. Could the Iranians really reject Marmalade Dinnerjacket?
Yes.
The trick is to divining what the Mad Mullahs are up to.
Are they giving the appearance of softening to buy time to complete the nuclear projects?
Or are they really trying to soften their stance to get some economic gains via trade?
| 829 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:05:48am |
re: #803 JustMyView
If you would like a lesson on the depravity of the people who hate Sarah Palin, just google these words:
Then come back and tell us nobody said it.
| 830 |
JohnnyReb Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:05:54am |
re: #805 subsailor68
I wish they would report on the actual unemployment numbers and not the made up government ones. The true number is about 16% as the Fed quite a few years ago quit including people who's benefits have run out and no longer collect a check. Put those people back into the mix and you get the real numbers, not the fantasy ones.
| 831 |
subsailor68 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:05:59am |
re: #817 Killgore Trout
Drudge was hyping that article yesterday. It seems like a fizzle to me.
Hi Killgore! I hope you're right, but Mr. Summers has a reputation as a pugnacious sort of fella. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I just worry about the overall relationships between and among the people who are responsible for advising the President on economic matters.
The other three articles show what can happen when decisions' unintended consequences arise.
| 832 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:06:03am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:06:18am |
re: #817 Killgore Trout
Drudge was hyping that article yesterday. It seems like a fizzle to me.
Hardly "hyping". Not much ado about not much
Just looks as if different factions being jealous of 'titles' and methods
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turn Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:06:22am |
re: #812 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
We're just not patriotic enough to live up to Barry's dream.
/
ha, that's going to be the title of his next memoir
bbl - where's Mr. J?
| 835 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:06:29am |
re: #821 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Dinnerjacket's cronies already have an answer to the criticism as well. Apparently only the truly pious could see the aura, so anyone who claims not to see it must not be truly faithful.
| 836 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:07:56am |
re: #805 subsailor68
Hey sub! Don't forget however, that the TBonds being sold at higher interest rates are going to be repaid with the equivalent of monopoly money. That's just ONE of the reasons Pelosi (Pelosi!) and Kerry (Kerry!) were talking to the Chinese about the US economy - they bought a ton - nearly half - of all T Bonds back in the day when a dollar was worth, well, a dollar. They are NOT pleased that they will be paid back with monopoly money, either.
| 837 |
subsailor68 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:08:04am |
re: #833 sattv4u2
Hardly "hyping". Not much ado about not much
Just looks as if different factions being jealous of 'titles' and methods
Hi sattv4u2! That may not necessarily be a bad thing. Heck, Roosevelt's "Brain Trust" were pretty much all on the same page in the early days of the Great Depression, and that didn't work out so well.
;-)
| 838 |
Gus Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:08:07am |
re: #817 Killgore Trout
Drudge was hyping that article yesterday. It seems like a fizzle to me.
Drudge will be Drudge. However, it's still on the front page of the NY Times website. Right below a story about Colbert's show in Baghdad. It's also the number one blogged story in the NY Times. The NY Times seems to like it.
| 839 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:08:41am |
re: #821 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Dinnerjacket's cronies already have an answer to the criticism as well. Apparently only the truly pious could see the aura,
so anyone who claims not to see it must not be truly faithfuland anyone who wasn't would see it and get their face melted off.
/Indiana Jones moment...gave me nightmares for a couple days when I was a youngun.
| 840 |
ConservatismNow! Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:08:47am |
re: #832 Ward Cleaver
Nowadays, they call it "blush".
I see irony in actresses wearing blush when they never actually blush at anything. Kind of requires shame.
| 841 |
Ward Cleaver Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:08:50am |
Well, all of a sudden, North Texas is earthquake country:
USGS reports 2.3 earthquake in Cleburne this morning
The third earthquake there in the past week. Sure, they're small, but when you've never experienced them, they can be kind of unnerving.
| 842 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:09:05am |
re: #831 subsailor68
I was hoping the article would be about the differences of opinion regarding policy. It was more about personality.
It's almost impossible to tell what's working and what's not. We'll only know in hindsight. I think it's stupid for Palin to start doing "I told you so" interviews now. It's probably going to blow up in her face.
| 843 |
JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:09:22am |
re: #808 JCM
The link I gave up thread advocated abortion. It's point was Palin was wrong and should have aborted Trig. No choice, sub-par fetuses should be terminated. No option.
I think you should reread the article, as I just did. The author sounds cold, I do not doubt. But he does not argue for a policy that requires the abortion of fetuses w/ known genetic defects. Instead, he affirms the morality of abortion in such instances, a point that he feels needs to be made because Palin's decision to keep Trig was being celebrated by her supporters.
| 844 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:09:45am |
re: #837 subsailor68
Hi sattv4u2! That may not necessarily be a bad thing. Heck, Roosevelt's "Brain Trust" were pretty much all on the same page in the early days of the Great Depression, and that didn't work out so well.
;-)
I agree. I want the room to be filled with people bringing differnt ideas. I want to have my idea presented, and them someone else tell me the weaknesses.
| 845 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:10:15am |
Democrats Weigh Health Mandate as Obama Urges Taxing Wealthy
Honest headline: "Democrats To Tax The Shit Out Of Job Creators.
Those Wealthy Bastards. Paying More Than 50% or 60% or even 70% In Overall Tax Rates Isn't Enough For The Democrat's Bottomless Lust For Government Run Programs. You Think The Economy Is Bad Now?"
| 846 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:10:36am |
re: #829 Kenneth
If you would like a lesson on the depravity of the people who hate Sarah Palin, just google these words:
Then come back and tell us nobody said it.
Thank you.
| 847 |
subsailor68 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:10:38am |
re: #836 realwest
Hey sub! Don't forget however, that the TBonds being sold at higher interest rates are going to be repaid with the equivalent of monopoly money. That's just ONE of the reasons Pelosi (Pelosi!) and Kerry (Kerry!) were talking to the Chinese about the US economy - they bought a ton - nearly half - of all T Bonds back in the day when a dollar was worth, well, a dollar. They are NOT pleased that they will be paid back with monopoly money, either.
Morning RW! Hope you're well today!
Exactly right on! That's precisely what the article refers to. Bond boys are scared to death of inflation, and pushing the interest rates up in an attempt to minimize exactly what you're talkin' about.
| 848 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:10:43am |
re: #820 JCM
I suspect the deal has been made to push NoKo onto China's lap. Nobody wants a rapid collapse or a civil war in NoKo. The Chinese would like to have NoKo transform from a wackjob Stalinist nightmare state into a placid Mini-me communist regime supplying cheap labor for the Chinese manufacturers. Clinton & Gietner were over in China promoting US Treasury bonds to the Chinese. That's the deal: the Chinese buy US Treasury bands, in return they get to have North Korea.
| 849 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:11:35am |
re: #829 Kenneth
If you would like a lesson on the depravity of the people who hate Sarah Palin, just google these words:
Then come back and tell us nobody said it.
Just watch out for the third link: It goes to "Atlas Shrieks".
| 850 |
lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:12:01am |
re: #848 Kenneth
I suspect the deal has been made to push NoKo onto China's lap. Nobody wants a rapid collapse or a civil war in NoKo. The Chinese would like to have NoKo transform from a wackjob Stalinist nightmare state into a placid Mini-me communist regime supplying cheap labor for the Chinese manufacturers. Clinton & Gietner were over in China promoting US Treasury bonds to the Chinese. That's the deal: the Chinese buy US Treasury bands, in return they get to have North Korea.
Meanwhile, sinister bourgeois American capitalist enterprise and technology will continue to wear away at glorious pillars of vision and ideology.
/hmmmmm....
| 851 |
subsailor68 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:12:56am |
re: #842 Killgore Trout
I was hoping the article would be about the differences of opinion regarding policy. It was more about personality.
It's almost impossible to tell what's working and what's not. We'll only know in hindsight. I think it's stupid for Palin to start doing "I told you so" interviews now. It's probably going to blow up in her face.
Okay, we're on the same page there - both about the differing proposed approaches (if there really are any) - and on the Sarah Palin response. I too wish she'd kind of keep her powder dry for now.
| 852 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:13:55am |
re: #806 Kenneth
My first cousin (RIP) was with the US Marines at Chosun Reservoir and would second your comment - except that he was a machine gunner, not a tanker.
But he also said that those Chinese won largely because our weapons froze from constant firing and that ammo was a major problem.
Whether we like it or not (and I certainly don't) it would appear that this administration is going to be content to let the NORKS strike first - the Trillion dollar question is whether or not the Chinese would fight along side them.
And I'd bet that they wouldn't. A Starving NORK, with nukes and a Million men under arms on THEIR border, can't make the Chinese particularly comfortable, especially with a psychotic in charge of NORK and the son of psychotic waiting in the wings.
| 854 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:15:58am |
re: #851 subsailor68
One benefit of having her in the public eye is highlighting the contrast between her confidence, competence and clear-speaking and the bumbling, babbling buffoonery of Biden.
| 855 |
subsailor68 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:16:06am |
Oh, while I'm thinking of it, the wife and I rented Defiance on Saturday (with Daniel Craig and Liev Schreiber).
Did I like it?
I took it back on Sunday morning.
And bought a copy so we can watch it again.
And again.
| 856 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:16:46am |
re: #843 JustMyView
I read this comment of yours:
re: #803 JustMyView
Pro-choice advocates advocate choice, not abortion. People promote the availability of safe, legal abortions for people who make that choice, not having abortions. You're thinking of the government of China.
Then you say this:
I think you should reread the article, as I just did. The author sounds cold, I do not doubt. But he does not argue for a policy that requires the abortion of fetuses w/ known genetic defects. Instead, he affirms the morality of abortion in such instances, a point that he feels needs to be made because Palin's decision to keep Trig was being celebrated by her supporters.
I'm trying to square the circle here. Do you believe that "affirming the morality of abortion in such instances" is a pro-choice position or a pro-abortion position?
| 857 |
realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:17:12am |
re: #819 VioletTiger
Marmelade (LOL!) yes, the real power in Iran, the Mullahs, NO.
Not without direct assistance from .........well the US and that ain't gonna happen under Obama.
| 858 |
JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:17:30am |
re: #848 Kenneth
I suspect the deal has been made to push NoKo onto China's lap. Nobody wants a rapid collapse or a civil war in NoKo. The Chinese would like to have NoKo transform from a wackjob Stalinist nightmare state into a placid Mini-me communist regime supplying cheap labor for the Chinese manufacturers. Clinton & Gietner were over in China promoting US Treasury bonds to the Chinese. That's the deal: the Chinese buy US Treasury bands, in return they get to have North Korea.
Better than the other options.
Right now the Norks have special camps for those who escape into China and are returned, China does return them if they're caught. The Norks don't want those folks mingling with other prisoners and telling them about the freedoms and economic prosperity of China.
| 859 |
Dianna Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:17:43am |
re: #848 Kenneth
There is no upside to that deal for the Chinese.
| 860 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:18:14am |
re: #852 realwest
My first cousin (RIP) was with the US Marines at Chosun Reservoir and would second your comment - except that he was a machine gunner, not a tanker.
But he also said that those Chinese won largely because our weapons froze from constant firing and that ammo was a major problem.
Whether we like it or not (and I certainly don't) it would appear that this administration is going to be content to let the NORKS strike first - the Trillion dollar question is whether or not the Chinese would fight along side them.
And I'd bet that they wouldn't. A Starving NORK, with nukes and a Million men under arms on THEIR border, can't make the Chinese particularly comfortable, especially with a psychotic in charge of NORK and the son of psychotic waiting in the wings.
Agreed, again. China has far more reason to stay neutral. They need to trade with us, and they don't need the Norks.
| 861 |
VioletTiger Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:18:26am |
re: #791 turn
Yeah insane, and they don't even offer a suggestion as to how this will be paid for (ummm higher taxes for the rich?). What a disastrous plan, socialized medicine where they cover everybody by taxing the rich.
I can't believe they are proposing to tax employer-provided health-care benefits after ripping McCain to shreds over it. Liars!
| 862 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:18:50am |
Nagin's Phone Calls Screened 'to Keep Him Safe' While Quarantined in China
The mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, is under lockdown in a suburban Shanghai hotel after a passenger on his flight from the U.S. exhibited symptoms of swine flu -- and now his Chinese hosts are screening his calls "to keep him safe."
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Ha
| 863 |
redstateredneck Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:20:21am |
re: #855 subsailor68
Oh, while I'm thinking of it, the wife and I rented Defiance on Saturday (with Daniel Craig and Liev Schreiber).
Did I like it?
I took it back on Sunday morning.
And bought a copy so we can watch it again.
Thanks. I just added it on my Netflix.And again.
| 864 |
Kragar Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:21:08am |
re: #855 subsailor68
Oh, while I'm thinking of it, the wife and I rented Defiance on Saturday (with Daniel Craig and Liev Schreiber).
Did I like it?
I took it back on Sunday morning.
And bought a copy so we can watch it again.
And again.
Got it Saturday, watched it twice already. Really good movie.
| 866 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:22:18am |
North Korea May Seek 'Good Will Gesture' in Talks Over Jailed Journalists
TV reporters Laura Ling and Euna Lee were sentenced to 12 years in a North Korean labor prison. With the sentence, the likelihood seemed to increase that the prisoners would be used as pawns in the ongoing standoff between North Korea and its neighbors and the West.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I'm sorry, but those 2 were in the wrong place at the wrong time. We can't sacrifice our national security Policy ( if we have one under this Admin?) to this issue. Anyway we should come down on the N Koreans like flies on shit in every way possible short of war right now.
| 867 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:22:33am |
re: #855 subsailor68
Oh, while I'm thinking of it, the wife and I rented Defiance on Saturday (with Daniel Craig and Liev Schreiber).
Did I like it?
I took it back on Sunday morning.
And bought a copy so we can watch it again.
And again.
Good movie.
| 868 |
VioletTiger Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:22:34am |
re: #845 FrogMarch
The moonbats also want to tax soda, sine and beer.
Geez, don't 'poor people' drink those, too?
| 869 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:22:41am |
re: #862 Nevergiveup
Nagin's Phone Calls Screened 'to Keep Him Safe' While Quarantined in China
The mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, is under lockdown in a suburban Shanghai hotel after a passenger on his flight from the U.S. exhibited symptoms of swine flu -- and now his Chinese hosts are screening his calls "to keep him safe."[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Ha
Look on the bright side: As long as Nagin is locked down, he can't waste taxpayer money down in the Crescent City.
| 870 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:22:43am |
re: #852 realwest
Chosun Reservoir was a a hell of a battle. My friend was with the Canadians in Korea, using WWII vintage Sherman tanks. From reports, Kim's son is just as demented as his father. I don't expect him to moderate the regime at all.
| 871 |
VioletTiger Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:23:12am |
re: #868 VioletTiger
The moonbats also want to tax soda, w
sine and beer.
Geez, don't 'poor people' drink those, too?
PIMF
| 872 |
Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:23:57am |
re: #870 Kenneth
Chosun Reservoir was a a hell of a battle. My friend was with the Canadians in Korea, using WWII vintage Sherman tanks. From reports, Kim's son is just as demented as his father. I don't expect him to moderate the regime at all.
I still don't think he is in charge anymore anyway. I think the Military is.
| 873 |
badger1970 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:24:19am |
re: #800 alegrias
It looks like I stepped in something I can't shake off. To control the population, China's ruthless central socialist government installed a one child policy. That leads led to infanticide (if baby female) and a high male population.
Back to base, a radical prochoice person would prefer to tell a mother to get an early termination than to carry that "unwanted" baby to full term. The media and spokespeople for the prochoice movement have made it clear what prochoice means.
| 874 |
JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:24:48am |
re: #856 Pianobuff
I read this comment of yours:
re: #803 JustMyView
I'm trying to square the circle here. Do you believe that "affirming the morality of abortion in such instances" is a pro-choice position or a pro-abortion position?
I believe it's a pro-choice position. The author leaves little doubt that, if faced with this situation, he would choose abortion (presumably w/ his partner), but he does not argue that it should be anything other than a choice.
| 875 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:24:50am |
re: #866 Nevergiveup
North Korea May Seek 'Good Will Gesture' in Talks Over Jailed Journalists
TV reporters Laura Ling and Euna Lee were sentenced to 12 years in a North Korean labor prison. With the sentence, the likelihood seemed to increase that the prisoners would be used as pawns in the ongoing standoff between North Korea and its neighbors and the West.[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
I'm sorry, but those 2 were in the wrong place at the wrong time. We can't sacrifice our national security Policy ( if we have one under this Admin?) to this issue. Anyway we should come down on the N Koreans like flies on shit in every way possible short of war right now.
Agreed. If we can help them we should, but not if that help puts more people in danger.
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turn Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:24:53am |
re: #861 VioletTiger
I can't believe they are proposing to tax employer-provided health-care benefits after ripping McCain to shreds over it. Liars!
Hypocrite lefties, oh Charles is up.
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debutaunt Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:10am |
re: #847 subsailor68
Morning RW! Hope you're well today!
Exactly right on! That's precisely what the article refers to. Bond boys are scared to death of inflation, and pushing the interest rates up in an attempt to minimize exactly what you're talkin' about.
And then, ta dah, they say - "well we didn't mean for this to happen!"
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:19am |
re: #859 Dianna
Yes, the Chinese get a source of cheap labor for their low end industrial needs. They are already outsourcing production to Vietnam and Burma for dirt-cheap labor. North Korea is much closer. That's the benefit for China. Also, China does not want a re-unified democratic capitalist Korea on their border.
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Desert Dog Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:34am |
re: #861 VioletTiger
I can't believe they are proposing to tax employer-provided health-care benefits after ripping McCain to shreds over it. Liars!
I can believe it...Obama was the Toothfairy, Santa Claus, and the King of Whateveryouwantmetosayjustaslongasyouvoteforme. And now that he's in power....forget all that stuff. "I just said that stuff to get elected, ya know"
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:40am |
Just got here and there's a new thread...
In keeping with the spirit of the starting quote... "Boy, 11, graduates from college"
"11-Year-Old Moshe Kai Cavalin has graduated from East Los Angeles Community College with a degree in astrophysics. "At a time when his peers are finishing 6th grade, this only child of a Taiwanese mother and an Israeli father is trying on a cap and gown preparing to graduate with a 4.0 from community college."
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:26:23am |
re: #868 VioletTiger
The moonbats also want to tax soda, sine and beer.
Geez, don't 'poor people' drink those, too?
A trigonometry tax?
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Dianna Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:26:33am |
re: #868 VioletTiger
The moonbats also want to tax soda, sine and beer.
Geez, don't 'poor people' drink those, too?
But they shouldn't! It's for their own good!
////
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:26:43am |
re: #872 Nevergiveup
Agreed, and his son will be a puppet. But the puppet sets the tone., in many ways. The generals know that none of them have the "moral authority" to rule. So a committee of generals will rule through Kim Jr.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:27:29am |
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lazardo Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:28:44am |
re: #884 Kenneth
Almost thought of Chimera there. Whoa.
Anyhoo, headin' to bed. College tomorrow/later today. Cheers.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:28:53am |
re: #847 subsailor68
Hey Sub - spot on as usual. As for me, I'm not feeling well at all. Have been having bad stomach (lower abdomen) and lower back pain since I got up - and can't go to the doctor for a myriad of reasons today).
At least my Oncologist - on the phone - said he was pretty sure it wasn't the cancer. This, of course, alleviated some worry, but not the pain.
Oh. Joy.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:29:15am |
I'm gonna do you guys a favour and warn you against ever watching a French movie called "The Martyrs". I'm still in recovery from it. Only watched it because a friend bugged me for weeks to see it. It was like "The Passion of the New Joan of Arc". In the end, it makes a point about religion that I actually agree with (that religious zealots will perpetrate great acts of cruelty for a piece of/glimpse of heaven), but the journey is not worth it. Really messed up, genuinely disgusting film.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:29:52am |
re: #884 Kenneth
No need to go off on that tangent
'cos it will just blow up when we get to the right angle.
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saberry0530 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:30:47am |
re: #862 Nevergiveup
Nagin's Phone Calls Screened 'to Keep Him Safe' While Quarantined in China
The mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, is under lockdown in a suburban Shanghai hotel after a passenger on his flight from the U.S. exhibited symptoms of swine flu -- and now his Chinese hosts are screening his calls "to keep him safe."[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Ha
Can they keep him?
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:31:06am |
re: #848 Kenneth
"That's the deal: the Chinese buy US Treasury bands, in return they get to have North Korea." What? Do Geithner and Obama think the Chinese are idiots? THEY ALREADY have NORK anytime they want it! It's sure as hell not very likely we'd do anything to stop it!
| 891 |
JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:31:17am |
re: #849 Dark_Falcon
Just watch out for the third link: It goes to "Atlas Shrieks".
Indeed, many of these links seem to be involve people shrieking about what was said by the objectivist writer at the link JCM provided. Unfortunately, most of them do not seem to have understood what he said.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:31:39am |
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subsailor68 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:33:26am |
re: #886 realwest
Hey Sub - spot on as usual. As for me, I'm not feeling well at all. Have been having bad stomach (lower abdomen) and lower back pain since I got up - and can't go to the doctor for a myriad of reasons today).
At least my Oncologist - on the phone - said he was pretty sure it wasn't the cancer. This, of course, alleviated some worry, but not the pain.
Oh. Joy.
Oh man, I guess so long as it's not the cancer that's a good thing. Doesn't help with the misery though. Please hang in there, and I really hope you start feeling better - really, really soon!
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:34:55am |
re: #874 JustMyView
I believe it's a pro-choice position. The author leaves little doubt that, if faced with this situation, he would choose abortion (presumably w/ his partner), but he does not argue that it should be anything other than a choice.
She seems to be passing negative judgment on one (Palin) who would choose to have the child. From the article:
At Noodlefood, Diana Hsieh condemns such a stand as "the worship of retardation." Given that Palin had complete foreknowledge of her child's severe disability yet nevertheless chose to have it, it is hard not to see her choice as anything less.
It seems a bit of a contortion to cast statements like this as affirming choice. It's hard to conclude (for me anyway) that the author, by referencing the "retardation worship" article and declaring Palin guilty of it sees much use for the retarded.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:36:19am |
re: #860 Dark_Falcon
"They need to trade with us, and they don't need or want the Norks."
There, FTFY!
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beens21 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:38:07am |
OT, but if Laura Bush and her daughters had gone to Paris to spend taxpayers' money on clothes,the MSM would have screamed. M Obama does it, not a peep.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:38:51am |
re: #890 realwest
The US could make it difficult for the Chinese if they wanted to. China does not want to invade NoKo and conquer them militarily. They want to be allowed to pull diplomatic strings and effect a regime change in Pyongyang.The Chinese know who the reasonable generals are and who the fanatics are. That is how & where they well influence the post-Kim regime. The South Koreans would be especially upset. Basically, the Chinese have the US over a barrel on the Treasury bills. If the Chinese don't buy them (and nobody else can buy enough of them) the US economy will be screwed for a decade or more. Of course, that will screw China's economy too. Hence the economic compact called Chimerica.
This is largely speculation on my part, so it's fair comment to if you think my idea is nuts, by the way.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:39:28am |
re: #896 beens21
OT, but if Laura Bush and her daughters had gone to Paris to spend taxpayers' money on clothes,the MSM would have screamed. M Obama does it, not a peep.
Noblesse oblige.
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realwest Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:42:29am |
re: #893 subsailor68
Oh man, I guess so long as it's not the cancer that's a good thing. Doesn't help with the misery though. Please hang in there, and I really hope you start feeling better - really, really soon!
Thanks a lot. Me too!
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:50:30am |
re: #894 Pianobuff
She seems to be passing negative judgment on one (Palin) who would choose to have the child. From the article:
At Noodlefood, Diana Hsieh condemns such a stand as "the worship of retardation." Given that Palin had complete foreknowledge of her child's severe disability yet nevertheless chose to have it, it is hard not to see her choice as anything less.
It seems a bit of a contortion to cast statements like this as affirming choice. It's hard to conclude (for me anyway) that the author, by referencing the "retardation worship" article and declaring Palin guilty of it sees much use for the retarded.
First, the author is Nicholas Provenzo, so presmably is a guy. Second, I agree w/ you that Provenzo favors abortion of fetuses w/ known genetic defects.
But he is not arguing in this piece that we should have policies that require abortion in such instances; nor does he say that Palin should have aborted Trig.
Again, his argument is economic; he claims (and he is almost certainly right) that such children require more in the way of public resources than do children without such problems. He believes that most people faced w. such a choice will be less able to provide for a special needs child than will Palin and her family and, because of that, he wants to affirm the morality of abortion.
He is making an argument to counter the praise Palin received for carrying Trig to term because he does not believe doing so would be a wise choice for most families, and he believes that the negative consequences of such a choice would likely have to be borne by society.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:52:38am |
re: #901 JustMyView
Just for the record: genetic abnormalities or other dire fetal conditions represent a small minority of the number of abortion. Most are performed for reasons of birth control.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:18am |
re: #901 JustMyView
I would argue that the negative moral consequences of killing the child before they are born are far greater, both for the families and for the nation.
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:55:50am |
re: #872 Nevergiveup
I still don't think he is in charge anymore anyway. I think the Military is.
Something is up, a recent trade delegation noted Kim's portrait wasn't in the meeting room.
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JCM Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:58:14am |
re: #900 Iron Fist
Do you have a link on that? I'm pretty sure that during the Cold War we specifically refused to have a "No First Use" policy no matter how much the Soviets wanted us to have a "No First Use" policy. The Soviets thought they could win a tank war in Europe, and we thought they might be right.
Is this something that Clinton imposed, and W foolishly left in place? I do agree that there is no way Obama would get rid of such a thing.
Part of the plan for defense of the Fulda gap was the use of tactical nukes in the event of an attack.
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:58:40am |
re: #896 beens21
OT, but if Laura Bush and her daughters had gone to Paris to spend taxpayers' money on clothes,the MSM would have screamed. M Obama does it, not a peep.
Funny. On a pro-Obama blog, people have been countering claims such as this and also criticisms of the NYC date night by saying that nobody criticized the Bushes for their many trips to Crawford. Guess there's a lot of " Oh yeah, what about your guy?" going around. (It's worth noting, though, that you're talking about what would have happened, not what did happen, which, by definition, you can't know.)
Also, the Obamas pay for their own clothes, as hace other presidential families--at least since Nancy Reagan, who, as I vaguely recall, got in hot water for accepting gowns from big-name designers.
Generally speaking, I think we have more important stuff to worry about.
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:59:25am |
re: #902 Kenneth
Just for the record: genetic abnormalities or other dire fetal conditions represent a small minority of the number of abortion. Most are performed for reasons of birth control.
Yes, no argument here about that.
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:00:38am |
re: #903 Dark_Falcon
I would argue that the negative moral consequences of killing the child before they are born are far greater, both for the families and for the nation.
Certainly, many people feel that`way. For now, however, abortion is legal.
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irongrampa Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:24:34am |
re: #905 JCM
Yes, indeed. Was attached to a missile unit,and we were considered highly expendable. The Soviets figured to win by sheer numbers, they certainly DID have them.
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beens21 Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:25:37am |
re: #906 JustMyView
you miss my point. They are spending taxpayer money(O's salary, I doubt they took it out of savings) in Paris FRANCE, not NY or Texas.O insisted on buy American in Recovery Act, and M goes to France to buy clothes. Spend it in America.
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JustMyView Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:35:59am |
re: #911 beens21
you miss my point. They are spending taxpayer money(O's salary, I doubt they took it out of savings) in Paris FRANCE, not NY or Texas.O insisted on buy American in Recovery Act, and M goes to France to buy clothes. Spend it in America.
A. I don't think it's taxpayer money anymore once it becomes BHO's salary.
B. Michelle spends lots of money on clothes and jewelry in the U.S. They've also spent money locally on theater tickets, restaurant meals, and at least one set of pro sports tickets. I don't think whatever coin they dropped during a couple of days in the City of Light will significantly affect our economy.
Don't be a grinch!
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:52:23am |
re: #658 avanti
Yea, anyone that opposes a war that would cost 10 of thousands of Americans to die is a wussy liberal. I wish there was a law that made all those that send our youth to die to simply spend 90 days on the front lines.
Mandy, I have no idea how many years you spent in the military, or in harms way, but war is not a fucking macho movie, brave men and women die and are crippled.
It's easy to talk tough about a rush to war, if you're not going. I'll leave it to all the John Wayne on here to discuss starting a few wars to show how brave they are, this wuss is going to enjoy the peace in his garage.
I've never really engaged with you on the board, although you seem like a decent person. But this post is just bizarre. There really IS true evil in the world. And the only way nice people like you can live comfortably is if there are some badass motherfuckers on the "good guy" side that are willing to kick some bad guy ass.
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