The Great Nirther Billboard Cover-Up

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Oh noes! World Net Daily is outraged and seething! CBS Outdoor is stifling their First Amendment rights by refusing to sell them billboard space to promote the dreaded nirth certifikit conspiracy: Cover-up: CBS bans eligibility billboards.

WASHINGTON – The company touting itself as the “world’s largest out-of-home media” enterprise has banned WND’s national billboard campaign that asks one simple question: “Where’s the birth certificate?”

CBS Outdoor, a division of CBS Corp. that sells more outdoor advertising than any other billboard company in North America, refuses to accept purchases of space on any of its 550,000 displays nationwide, media buyers for WND report.

The billboard campaign was begun last month by Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND, due to his frustration with media colleagues not giving attention to what he sees as critical questions about Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to serve as president.

“Here we have one of the largest media companies in the U.S. now not only refusing to allow news coverage of a vitally important national question being asked by millions of Americans, but one that won’t even permit the purchase of space to raise the question,” said Farah. “What is the value of a First Amendment in a country when this kind of self-censorship is at work – self-censorship specifically geared to stifle inquiry and debate about the most powerful person in the country.”

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275 comments

1 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:23:27am

Constitutional Scholars they aint.

1st Amendment says you have a right to free speach. It doesn't mean anyone has to support you or be forced to listen.

2 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:23:44am

It's an evil left wing kookspiracy.

/

3 red satellite  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:24:04am

koo ka choo!

4 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:24:26am

Screw the birth certificate.

Release his college transcripts!

Then.....

WELEASE WOGER!

5 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:24:30am

He could start his own billboard company.

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:24:34am

Ah Geez!

Shut up!

7 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:23am

Can't we all just ignore Obama and hope he goes away?

8 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:23am

The first amendment applies to government restrictions on speech..... not what private companies do with their resources.

9 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:25am

We know the 1st amendment only discusses government restrictions on free speech.

However, as dumb as the "nirth certificate" stuff is, what if a billboard company refused to put up campaign ads from one party but allowed them from another?
Especially since often, there are government restrictions on where billboards can be located, so the nirthers couldn't build their own.

10 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:40am

Last I recall, the First Amendment applies to government (municipal up to federal), not to selling space on a billboard. It doesn't even merit discrimination as they simply don't want that message on their billboards.
The 'Nirthers can go fuck themselves.

11 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:54am

The power of the press belongs to those who own the press.

12 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:54am

Wait . . . I have a First Amendment right to advertise anything on any billboard I want? *mental gears start turning*

///////

13 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:26:39am

I've seen some wacky/racy/confounding billboards in my day and I don't think this one would be that big of a deal.
Dumb CBS for not just letting them rent the space, they'd eventually get sick of paying for it and go away on their own.

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:26:47am

re: #12 gmsc

Can you put up a "FIRE!" billboard inside a crowded theater?

15 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:26:49am

re: #5 wrenchwench

He could start his own billboard company.

Paraphrasing my favorite Bender quote from Futurama:

"Fine! I'll start my own billboard company! With Blackjack! And hookers! Forget the blackjack. Ahhh screw the whole thing."

16 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:26:58am

re: #11 MandyManners

The power of the press belongs to those who own the press.

"The freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns one."
-A. J. Liebling

17 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:27:22am

It's a conspiracy!

////

Hey WND!

A company refusing to post your CRAP is not a violation of your 1st Amend. It's not government censoring you.

You need a memo from BHO and Halder ordering them to that to make it censorship.

18 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:27:25am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Constitutional Scholars they aint.

1st Amendment says you have a right to free speach. It doesn't mean anyone has to support you or be forced to listen.

My worn-out mute button proves that.

19 VioletTiger  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:27:27am

The majority of people who would see those billboards would have NO IDEA what they were talking about. I, on the other hand, might laugh so hard I might drive off the road.

20 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:27:34am

re: #8 eschew_obfuscation

What if the private company received federal money of any type? I don't agree with the nirthers but this could be a huge can of worms.

21 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:28:03am

re: #12 gmsc

Wait . . . I have a First Amendment right to advertise anything on any billboard I want? *mental gears start turning*

///////

You can advertise a lot of stuff on a billboard. Believe me, I've seen it all advertised on I-80/94 in NW Indiana from cars to gasoline to food to strip clubs. However, IIRC, such advertisment cannot be false or make false claims. The 'Nirthers are making a false claim, thus CBS Outdoor has more than a leg to stand on.

22 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:28:17am

re: #20 soxfan4life

What if the private company received federal money of any type? I don't agree with the nirthers but this could be a huge can of worms.

Isn't all money federal money since it's printed at the U.S. Mint?

23 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:28:26am

You'd think an "editor and chief executive officer" would know better.

24 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:28:45am

All your Nirther billboard are belong to us!

25 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:29:13am

re: #19 VioletTiger

The majority of people who would see those billboards would have NO IDEA what they were talking about. I, on the other hand, might laugh so hard I might drive off the road.

So they're promoting public safety by not accepting the ads!

26 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:29:25am

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

How are they making a false claim? The text of the ad was going to be a simple question. A dumb question, maybe, but certainly nothing dishonest about it.

27 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:29:42am

“Where’s the birth certificate?”

Dude, it got burnt up in Building 7!

28 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:30:22am

I have heard from several sources that Farah is an illegal immigrant from the planet Xoltar IV. He refuses to provide proof to the contrary, so I will assume it's true until such time as he addresses it.

29 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:30:40am

re: #25 Dianna

So they're promoting public safety by not accepting the ads!

What kind of evil sneakiness is that?

30 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:30:50am

10 News photos that took retouching too far

I can think of a few others.

31 MJ  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:30:55am

if I owned CBS, I'd sell them the space. After all, the billboard company does not determine the truth of each of the entities which enter into a rental agreement with their company.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:30:55am

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

Now, they're not claiming anything. They're asking a question.

A stupid, brainless, dazed, deficient, dense, dim, doltish, dopey*, dull, dumb, dummy, foolish, futile, gullible, half-baked, half-witted, idiotic, ill-advised, imbecilic, inane, indiscreet, insensate, irrelevant, laughable, loser, ludicrous, meaningless, mindless, moronic, naive, nonsensical, obtuse, out to lunch, pointless, puerile, rash, senseless, shortsighted, simple, simpleminded, slow, sluggish, stolid, stupefied, thick, thick-headed, trivial, unintelligent, unthinking, witless question.

33 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:31:05am

re: #22 ConservatismNow!

Isn't all money federal money since it's printed at the U.S. Mint?

Not with some of the "Liberty Dollars" that get put out by Laup Nor acolytes.

34 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:31:16am

re: #11 MandyManners

The power of the press belongs to those who own the press.

/I thought it had something to do with hydraulics.

35 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:31:17am

re: #20 soxfan4life

What if the private company received federal money of any type? I don't agree with the nirthers but this could be a huge can of worms.

(disclaimer: I'm not attorney)

I would guess that if such a situation existed, it would have to be adjudicated on a case-by-case basis to sift through all of the details. I doubt it would be cut and dried.

36 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:31:19am

OT: Apple Store is down. Apple's WWDC Keynote to begin in about 30 minutes.

We'll soon find out what the "One year later. Light years ahead." means.

(On the LNDT, it was theorized that, since Apple is using "light years" as a measure of time, when it's actually a measure of distance, we'll see an iPhone that can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.)

37 splat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:31:56am

There is so much more to this story.. just a few questions I would like answered..

1. Where is the Walrus which ate the nirth cerfitikit ?
2. Was it really a Walrus and not an agent of the NWO in disguise ?
3. Where is the proof that the president is not a human form cyborg from 2029 ?

My documentary "Lews Morons" will cover these topics in depth !

- splat

ps. will these kooks ever get over the fact 'O' won ? *sigh*

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:32:09am

re: #36 gmsc

Whaddup smart guy?

39 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:32:10am

re: #16 gmsc

"The freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns one."
-A. J. Liebling

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who once said the sole job of the press was to keep the government honest?

40 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:32:12am

re: #29 debutaunt

What kind of evil sneakiness is that?

Well, I'm with Violet! I'd drive off the road laughing if I saw that billboard.

41 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:32:57am

re: #37 splat

There is so much more to this story.. just a few questions I would like answered..

1. Where is the Walrus which ate the nirth cerfitikit ?
2. Was it really a Walrus and not an agent of the NWO in disguise ?
3. Where is the proof that the president is not a human form cyborg from 2029 ?

My documentary "Lews Morons" will cover these topics in depth !

- splat

ps. will these kooks ever get over the fact 'O' won ? *sigh*

It wasn't a walrus, it was an elephant seal... we're through the looking glass!

/say no to drugs

42 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:33:09am

re: #36 gmsc

...we'll see an iPhone that can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.)

How about an iPod touch ap for doing kegels?

43 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:33:10am

re: #39 Racer X

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who once said the sole job of the press was to keep the government honest?

How quaint.

/

44 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:33:24am

re: #40 Dianna

Well, I'm with Violet! I'd drive off the road laughing if I saw that billboard.

I would too, if they used the lolrus.

45 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:33:44am

re: #39 Racer X

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who once said the sole job of the press was to keep the government honest?

Too bad they largely gave up this last election.

46 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:34:12am

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

You can advertise a lot of stuff on a billboard. Believe me, I've seen it all advertised on I-80/94 in NW Indiana from cars to gasoline to food to strip clubs. However, IIRC, such advertisment cannot be false or make false claims. The 'Nirthers are making a false claim, thus CBS Outdoor has more than a leg to stand on.

Actually, CBS as the owner of the billboards in question has plenty of strong legal legs to stand on here regardless of the truth of the claim being advertised. CBS owns billboard, CBS doesn't want to rent the space to a party, question over.

47 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:34:13am

Free speech meets free enterprise. Clash of the Titans?

48 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:34:15am

re: #44 wrenchwench

I would too, if they used the lolrus.

It's a 'lelephant seal!

49 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:34:43am

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

funniest billboard I ever saw was in Killeen TX it read " Winner of the ebonics beauty pageant,..Miss Idaho" Caused a whole lot of trouble, but I found it to be quite humorous.

50 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:34:45am

re: #42 Kenneth

How about an iPod touch ap for doing kegels?

Can't you just set it on vibrate?

51 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:34:47am

re: #39 Racer X

Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who once said the sole job of the press was to keep the government honest?

How would Jefferson know? He participated in using highly partisan "newspapers" against his political opponents.

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:34:55am

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thesaurus.com.

Notice it was alphabetical (other than stupid, of course)?

53 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:35:21am

heh.
they do have a billboard up in Ball, Louisiana, pop. 3,757.

No one deliberately travels to Ball, Louisiana.

54 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:35:26am

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH.

If I see that damn "Private enterprise 1st Amendment censorship" BS one more time, I'm going to ... WRITE A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER or something crazy like that!

55 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:35:59am

re: #45 Kosh's Shadow

Too bad they largely gave up this last election.

Hah!

The press gave that up years ago.

56 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:36:12am

re: #53 reine.de.tout

heh.
they do have a billboard up in Ball, Louisiana, pop. 3,757.

No one deliberately travels to Ball, Louisiana.

3,757? Sounds like they have 1 billboard, and it's the major source of income for the town!

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:36:16am

re: #53 reine.de.tout

Kind of like children. I told mine, "I chose your mother. I ended up with you."

58 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:36:50am

re: #54 thedopefishlives

Not a strongly worded letter. Those are for only the gravest of situations, a foot stomp is probably appropriate.

59 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:36:54am

re: #56 gmsc

3,757? Sounds like they have 1 billboard, and it's the major source of income for the town!

They haven't figured out how to change channels yet./

60 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:37:37am

OT, Laura Bush says nice things about the First lady and Sotamayor. Laura is a gem IMHO.

Laura.

61 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:37:39am

re: #53 reine.de.tout

heh.
they do have a billboard up in Ball, Louisiana, pop. 3,757.

No one deliberately travels to Ball, Louisiana.

Hmmm, if they could put another one up at Ball State University, they could say that at least they've got a set of Balls.

;-)

62 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:37:52am

re: #59 Creeping Eruption

They haven't figured out how to change channels yet./

If they even have TV's.

63 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:37:52am

re: #51 Dianna

How would Jefferson know? He participated in using highly partisan "newspapers" against his political opponents.

He was keeping his opponents honest, and other papers were keeping him honest.
Nowadays, when few cities have more than one paper, and the media largely sings the same chorus [of praise for the One], no one is being kept honest.

64 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:37:55am

re: #36 gmsc

OT: Apple Store is down. Apple's WWDC Keynote to begin in about 30 minutes.

We'll soon find out what the "One year later. Light years ahead." means.

(On the LNDT, it was theorized that, since Apple is using "light years" as a measure of time, when it's actually a measure of distance, we'll see an iPhone that can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.)

"Stay on Target!"

65 Johnny Empire  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:37:55am

If the stupid people want to spend their money advertising their stupid, I don't see a problem.

66 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:38:30am

re: #58 soxfan4life

Well, I could go all Howard Dean on them or something. I suppose that doesn't quite rise to the level of strongly worded letter.

67 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:38:30am

re: #60 avanti

It's nice to see a rare display of class these days.

68 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:38:37am

re: #48 debutaunt

It's a 'lelephant seal!

Ah, an imitation!

69 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:38:49am

re: #61 subsailor68

Hmmm, if they could put another one up at Ball State University, they could say that at least they've got a set of Balls.

;-)

Ball State had T-shirts back in the 70's that said "Ball U". Kids would get in trouble wearing them places that hadn't heard of Ball State.

70 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:39:01am

I wouldn't mind seeing the original certificate someday, but not because I doubt that he's a US citizen.

It will never happen though.

71 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:39:14am

I'm anxiously awaiting Nirth Certifikit banner ads on lgf.

72 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:39:28am

This reminds me of Disney's 'banning' of Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11.

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:39:33am

re: #60 avanti

Ain't she lovely? We were talking about her on the early.

74 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:39:35am

re: #60 avanti

OT, Laura Bush says nice things about the First lady and Sotamayor. Laura is a gem IMHO.

Laura.

She's also trying to keep the GOP from going over a cliff on the Sotomayor nomination. I hope her effort succeeds.

75 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:39:57am

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

"Stay on Target!"

"Sir, we're in a zero-g environment in ships capable of VTOL manuevers. Why exactly are we making the trench run again?"

76 jaunte  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:40:06am

What Farah really needs is a nirth certifikit blimp.

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:40:15am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Be funny if it became a major revenue stream for Charles.

78 anchors_aweigh  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:40:22am

Certain questions are verboten.

79 Afrocity  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:40:36am

Hello Guys

80 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:40:38am

I can't see any business in this economy turning away sales with out a good reason, but on the other hand the "controversy" will probably generate more exposer that the billboards would have. whatever.

81 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:40:38am

CBS? Weren't they the ones with the bogus National Guard story? Wonder if CBS had any truther billboards?

Check out some anti Bush billboards. Page down.

[Link: www.billboardom.blogspot.com...]

I'd rather see the transcripts and medical records. Any chance of that?

82 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:40:51am

re: #36 gmsc

OT: Apple Store is down. Apple's WWDC Keynote to begin in about 30 minutes.

We'll soon find out what the "One year later. Light years ahead." means.

(On the LNDT, it was theorized that, since Apple is using "light years" as a measure of time, when it's actually a measure of distance, we'll see an iPhone that can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.)

Egads! What kind of geek am I? I forgot about this today! Thanks for the tip!

Heading over to Gizmodo for the live blog....

83 jaunte  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:11am

re: #78 anchors_aweigh

What questions?

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:16am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Constitutional Scholars they aint.

1st Amendment says you have a right to free speach. It doesn't mean anyone has to support you or be forced to listen.

This is the dark side of the First Amendment--the discovery that no matter how much you freely speech, most people don't agree with you.

85 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:19am

re: #70 Pianobuff

I wouldn't mind seeing the original certificate someday, but not because I doubt that he's a US citizen.

It will never happen though.


It sure would be nice if he just presented it to a federal judge and put the whole damn thing to bed. But the Constitutional crisis as well as the political unrest that would follow if he were to be found ineligible would be something I would rather not see the country go through.

86 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:26am

re: #76 jaunte

What Farah really needs is a nirth certifikit blimp.

That would just open up the faucet/

87 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:39am

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

We know the 1st amendment only discusses government restrictions on free speech.

However, as dumb as the "nirth certificate" stuff is, what if a billboard company refused to put up campaign ads from one party but allowed them from another?
Especially since often, there are government restrictions on where billboards can be located, so the nirthers couldn't build their own.

As long as the denied party is not a recognized minority I don't think they have legal recourse...

88 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:46am

re: #83 jaunte

What questions?

See #75

89 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:49am

Coffee. Must have more coffee!

90 VioletTiger  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:50am

re: #79 Afrocity

Hello Guys


Long time no see. How are things?

91 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:54am

re: #19 VioletTiger

The majority of people who would see those billboards would have NO IDEA what they were talking about. I, on the other hand, might laugh so hard I might drive off the road.

People would start changing the 'B' to a 'N'. Could be funny.

92 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:41:56am

If our poor nirth certifikit walrus can't rent someone else's billboard, perhaps he should find a carpenter and build one.

The Walrus and the Carpenter:

93 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:42:12am

re: #86 Creeping Eruption

That would just open up the faucet/

The information could just be leaked!

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:42:24am

re: #79 Afrocity

Hey lady!
(imagine Jerry Lewis' voice)

95 Afrocity  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:43:00am

re: #90 VioletTiger

Long time no see. How are things?

Pretty good thank you. I am gearing up for some summer trips to Monticello and Williamsburg, VA.

96 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:43:07am

re: #87 JustABill

As long as the denied party is not a recognized minority I don't think they have legal recourse...

Last I checked, neither stupid nor crazy had minority status.

97 SlartyBartfast  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:43:08am

re: #70 Pianobuff

I wouldn't mind seeing the original certificate someday, but not because I doubt that he's a US citizen.

It will never happen though.

I don't doubt the President's citizenship as much as I wonder if there's something else odd about the original document, like a Certificate # ending in "666"...delicious fuel for the "Obama-is-the-Anti-Christ" crowd.

98 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:43:17am

re: #79 Afrocity

Good morning lady. Things calming down in your inbox?

99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:43:21am

re: #95 Afrocity

I live on the way!

100 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:43:23am

OT

Nick Griffin has won a seat at the European Union Parliament...(every party in Britain is now shocked/scandalized)...

101 Afrocity  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:43:34am

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is Jerry Lewis dead?

102 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:43:50am

re: #85 soxfan4life

There are systems in place to ensure the candidate's eligibility prior to election. For all the man's faults, he does appear to know how to toy with the conspiracy theory crowd.

103 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:44:13am

re: #101 Afrocity

Is Jerry Lewis dead?

No, not yet, but he's got enough grease for the Indy 500.

104 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:44:17am

re: #101 Afrocity

Is Jerry Lewis dead?

The career? Yes.
The man? No.

105 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:44:43am

Hello Deer Freend,

I am Dr Abulu Maku of the Really Big Hospital Murukbala here in Kenya. By the grace of God I have in my possession the sekret birth certifikat of yoar US President Mr Barack Hussein Obama and a suitcase full of gold. If you wire some collateral I will provide you with both.

106 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:44:50am

re: #102 thedopefishlives

For all the man's faults, he does appear to know how to toy with the conspiracy theory crowd.

You don't have to know how. They just do it to themselves effortlessly.

107 VioletTiger  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:44:58am

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Last I checked, neither stupid nor crazy had minority status.

They're getting close to a majority, imo.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:45:06am

re: #101 Afrocity

Nope. Kickin' high style.

So is Abe Vigoda!

109 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:45:08am

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Sir, we're in a zero-g environment in ships capable of VTOL manuevers. Why exactly are we making the trench run again?"

"Because we fashioned the attack after WWII aircraft torpedo attacks."

/George Lucas and Steven Spielberg

(Not really kidding, they really did use WWII aerial combat footage as a model for space fighter combat).

110 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:45:13am

re: #101 Afrocity

Is Jerry Lewis dead?

Nope, he's certainly had his share of health scares, but he's still kicking.

111 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:45:26am

re: #69 eschew_obfuscation

Ball State had T-shirts back in the 70's that said "Ball U". Kids would get in trouble wearing them places that hadn't heard of Ball State.

So they should wear tee shirts that say "BS University"?

112 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:45:55am

re: #105 enoughalready

Hello Deer Freend,

I am Dr Abulu Maku of the Really Big Hospital Murukbala here in Kenya. By the grace of God I have in my possession the sekret birth certifikat of yoar US President Mr Barack Hussein Obama and a suitcase full of gold. If you wire some collateral I will provide you with both.

/I'll do it if you will include the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge you promised me last year.

113 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:45:55am

OBAMA HATES GAYS!
/

Court rejects challenge to 'don't ask, don't tell'

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday agreed with the Obama administration and upheld Pentagon policy barring gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military.

The court said it will not hear an appeal from former Army Capt. James Pietrangelo II, who was dismissed under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The federal appeals court in Boston earlier threw out a lawsuit filed by Pietrangelo and 11 other veterans. He was the only member of that group who asked the high court to rule that the Clinton-era policy is unconstitutional.

During last year's campaign, President Barack Obama indicated he supported the eventual repeal of the policy, but he has made no specific move to do so since taking office in January. Meanwhile, the White House has said it won't stop gays and lesbians from being dismissed from the military.

In court papers, the administration said the appeals court ruled correctly in this case when it found that "don't ask, don't tell" is "rationally related to the government's legitimate interest in military discipline and cohesion."

114 Afrocity  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:46:13am

re: #98 BlueCanuck

Somewhat. I got an interesting invitation to speak at the "Blog Her" conference in Chicago.

...we found your blog while researching potential speakers. BlogHer’s fifth annual conference is coming to Chicago this July. We have a panel scheduled on Friday July 24th that we think your voice and perspective may be a wonderful addition to. BlogHer is an omni-partisan organization, and we are very committed to having a balanced panel. ..As you can see, we need another conservative voice, and your transition to that place in life is particularly interesting! (Not to mention the fact that you are a pro-choice, feminist Republican…and therefore someone we need to hear more from!)

Yeah, I dunno.

115 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:46:21am

re: #104 gmsc

The career? Yes.
The man? No.

116 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:46:21am

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Kickin' high style.

So is Abe Vigoda!

Fish!

117 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:46:56am

re: #116 redstateredneck

Fish!

Isn't he like 150?

118 Afrocity  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:46:58am

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love FISH

119 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #116 redstateredneck

Fish!

Tesio

120 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:06am

OMG!
And the First Amendment SPECIFICALLY mentions "CBS Outdoors" too!

/idiots

121 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:19am

re: #102 thedopefishlives

There are systems in place to ensure the candidate's eligibility prior to election. For all the man's faults, he does appear to know how to toy with the conspiracy theory crowd.


This is true, it does get tiring though. He uses it well as a smokescreen to kepp our eyes off of what he is really doing.

122 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:45am

re: #3 red satellite

Koo koo ka choo!

fify. /I am the egg man

123 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:48am

My hunch is that if there is a more original birth certificate, it might have a box for religion, and whats checked there is why it has never been made public

124 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:49am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

"Because we fashioned the attack after WWII aircraft torpedo attacks."

/George Lucas and Steven Spielberg

(Not really kidding, they really did use WWII aerial combat footage as a model for space fighter combat).

Didn't they realize they could just realign the deflector array?

/

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:52am

re: #95 Afrocity

Pretty good thank you. I am gearing up for some summer trips to Monticello and Williamsburg, VA.

Sounds lovely. Say hi to Jefferson's ghost for us.

126 alegrias  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:53am

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

She's also trying to keep the GOP from going over a cliff on the Sotomayor nomination. I hope her effort succeeds.

* * * * *
Nice dramatic lemming/GOP imagery there. NOT.

Our economy's gone over the cliff, that's certifiable. And only China can save us, if we pay them in YUAN, as they now demand.

127 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:56am

OT, but funny, at the People's Cube:
New TV show- Dancing with the Czars

Episode One will feature President Obama and TARP Czar Herb Allison. You will marvel at their prowess as they dance the Constitutional Side Step on the grave of Thomas Jefferson.
128 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:48:24am

re: #116 redstateredneck

Fish!

Oh wait, it's Sea Kitten now, isn't it?

/I think Abe would be FURIOUS.

129 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:48:25am

re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Kickin' high style.

So is Abe Vigoda!

Would you believe he has 3 movies coming out next year?

130 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:48:29am

re: #121 soxfan4life

Only if you pay attention to it. Let the kooks, nuts, and other assorted whackjobs keep track of this business; it's what they do best. (Heck, it's the ONLY thing they do.)

131 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:48:31am

re: #111 Son of the Black Dog

So they should wear tee shirts that say "BS University"?

Same problem with the Sam Huston Institute of Technology.
shirts. :)

132 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:48:32am

re: #117 vxbush

Isn't he like 150?

88, I checked.

133 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:48:40am

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Didn't they realize they could just realign the deflector array?

/

Only if they reversed the polarity first.
//

134 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:49:00am

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds lovely. Say hi to Jefferson's ghost for us.

You'll find him spinning in his grave.

135 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:49:15am

re: #127 Kosh's Shadow

LOL!

136 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:49:22am

It seems that we have dilemma here.....

1. You give them the space, they think that you are agreeing to their position and it gives them justification for their wacky thoughts.

2. You don't give them space and the conspirators cry conspiracy.

Either way, it is like watching a hamster spin his wheel all day long. A lot of work with no results!

137 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:49:28am

re: #129 gmsc

Would you believe he has 3 movies coming out next year?

Seems Fishy to me.

138 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:49:48am

re: #132 redstateredneck

88, I checked.

Wow. Pretty impressive.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:50:00am

re: #123 JustABill

My hunch is that if there is a more original birth certificate, it might have a box for religion, and whats checked there is why it has never been made public

Neither my birth cert. nor my mother's have a box for religion. Does anyone's?

140 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:50:23am

re: #132 redstateredneck

88, I checked.

He looked 88 25 years ago?

141 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:50:47am

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Seems Fishy to me.

*RIMSHOT*

142 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:50:54am

re: #140 Nevergiveup

He looked 88 25 years ago?

Is Bernice still around?

143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:03am

re: #60 avanti

OT, Laura Bush says nice things about the First lady and Sotamayor. Laura is a gem IMHO.

Laura.

(*grin* ... and this degradation of your karma is getting to be a scandal!)

/teasing again -- I updinged the comment

144 jaunte  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:14am

"Outdoor advertising refuses to run message": 13,300 results,
many of which are about the birth certificate.

[Link: www.google.com...]

145 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:16am

re: #131 avanti

Same problem with the Sam Huston Institute of Technology.
shirts. :)

[smiles]

146 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:20am

re: #140 Nevergiveup

He looked 88 25 years ago?

He looked 88 back in the 70's. The man doesn't change, I swear.

147 philip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:30am

Oh my god.

My thing is, who cares where the president was born?

148 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:31am

They should allow the billboards. But, right next to each sign, they should put up another one that says "Wacko Alert, Wacko Alert, Wacko Alert" with a big arrow pointing towards the Nirther sign.

149 jaunte  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:39am

Many of which are NOT about the birth certificate, I meant to say.

150 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:39am

re: #79 Afrocity
Hey there Afrocity - good to see you out here again!

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:51:45am

re: #134 Kosh's Shadow

You'll find him spinning in his grave.

Excellent exercise for him.

152 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:52:00am

re: #146 vxbush

He looked 88 back in the 70's. The man doesn't change, I swear.

He made a career out of looking old.

153 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:52:27am

re: #123 JustABill

My hunch is that if there is a more original birth certificate, it might have a box for religion, and whats checked there is why it has never been made public

My hunch is that there is enough wrong with his ideas and policies that we could focus our grievances there and ignore his birth certificate entirely and still have reasons not to support him.

154 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:52:34am

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Sir, we're in a zero-g environment in ships capable of VTOL manuevers. Why exactly are we making the trench run again?"

cuz the main defensive weapons couldn't find them there

and somehow, in this future of r2d2 robots and such, they were still using manned craft for attack ... hey the movie was 1977 waddaya want

155 Golem Akbar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:52:58am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

[smiles]


Frankfurt University of Central Kentucky?

156 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:53:09am

re: #152 Nevergiveup

He made a career out of looking old.

a modern walter brennan

157 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:53:25am

OT, but kinda fun:

Obama Taps Well-Known Hacker as Security Adviser

"The administration originally had very high hopes for the expertise they believed Mr. Moss could provide. Things took an odd turn, however, when it was discovered that Mr. Moss' first official act was to hack the Homeland Security payroll database and set his salary at $200 billion a month. Sources say it took several months to detect the hack, as it was, as one highly placed official put it, 'just a drop in the bucket. We thought it was just TARP money.'"

(Okay, I made that up.)

158 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:53:31am

re: #123 JustABill

My hunch is that if there is a more original birth certificate, it might have a box for religion, and whats checked there is why it has never been made public

Mine said Greek Orthodox and I never sat foot in a Greek church for all that would prove. That his birth certificate may have said atheist after his father, should not have meant much either.

159 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:53:40am

I wonder if they wanted to put up a "Where's the transcript?" billboard CBS would allow it?

160 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:53:44am

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


When I was in the way they explained it to us was don't display open behavior of being a homosexual . But if someone reported it to the command or if an individual went to their commander and outed themselves then they had to be outprocessed within 72 hours. When giving the briefing to my soldiers I would explain that any type of Public Display of Affection would be deemed unprofessional and inappropriate and dealt with under the UCMJ. We had more than 1 soldier out themself to the command in order to get out of an unwanted assignment.

161 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:02am

re: #154 itellu3times

cuz the main defensive weapons couldn't find them there

and somehow, in this future of r2d2 robots and such, they were still using manned craft for attack ... hey the movie was 1977 waddaya want

Yeah, but how many of the R2 units spent their formative training years in a T-16 bullseyeing womp rats?

162 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:07am

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Didn't they realize they could just realign the deflector array?

/

But Admiral Ackbar would just yell "It's a trap!" and that would be the end of it.

163 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:13am

re: #157 subsailor68

OT, but kinda fun:

Obama Taps Well-Known Hacker as Security Adviser

"The administration originally had very high hopes for the expertise they believed Mr. Moss could provide. Things took an odd turn, however, when it was discovered that Mr. Moss' first official act was to hack the Homeland Security payroll database and set his salary at $200 billion a month. Sources say it took several months to detect the hack, as it was, as one highly placed official put it, 'just a drop in the bucket. We thought it was just TARP money.'"

(Okay, I made that up.)

I actually consider this a pretty good move. Cyber security needs to be heightened a lot in this country.

164 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:18am

re: #154 itellu3times

cuz the main defensive weapons couldn't find them there

and somehow, in this future of r2d2 robots and such, they were still using manned craft for attack ... hey the movie was 1977 waddaya want

NO NO NO. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

Plus the unions had a fit when they tried to use droid pilots.

165 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:19am

re: #148 Desert Dog

They should allow the billboards. But, right next to each sign, they should put up another one that says "Wacko Alert, Wacko Alert, Wacko Alert" with a big arrow pointing towards the Nirther sign.

Or just the LOL picture of the animal having eated it. Wait, that would be a danger due to people laughing and running off the road.

166 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:29am

re: #131 avanti

Same problem with the Sam Huston Institute of Technology.
shirts. :)

At Purdue, some cut window stickers in half and reversed the halves:

"UNIDUE PURVERSITY"

167 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #147 philip

Oh my god.

My thing is, who cares where the president was born?

Well, the requirement is in the Constitution. But, I think because his mother was American, it does not matter, yes? I know McCain was born in Panama. I am not sure how that works. But, if some person is born in another country with no American parent(s), he or she cannot be the POTUS.

168 Afrocity  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:50am

re: #150 realwest

Hey there Afrocity - good to see you out here again!

Yes I said I would come by during the daytime once in awhile.

169 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:54:50am

re: #140 Nevergiveup

He looked 88 25 years ago?

Jeeze, he was only 54 when he played Fish on Barney Miller.

In 1975, Vigoda landed "Fish," his most famous role, the perpetually complaining, decrepit senior citizen cop on as Barney Miller. Vigoda was only 54 at the time, and off-camera he was still in good shape, regularly jogging and playing handball.
170 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

However, when you become a public company, you are governed by a duty to serve all customers, not just those you believe in. Let us say, for instance, I decided to not allow anyone who was advertising rubber ducks to advertise in my newspaper. I think I would get called on it.

I would like to see Obama's college records unfrozen so we can put this thing to bed once and for all. But I doubt we will.

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:55:15am

re: #154 itellu3times

cuz the main defensive weapons couldn't find them there

and somehow, in this future of r2d2 robots and such, they were still using manned craft for attack ... hey the movie was 1977 waddaya want

My personal grudge has to do with the more recent trilogy, which depicts a galaxy in which they have interstellar spacecraft moving at greater-than-light speeds, self-motivated robots, and laser swords, but apparently no ob/gyns, prenatal care, or ultrasound.

172 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:55:24am

re: #87 JustABill
So you're saying that White men over the age of 50 are shit out of luck?
Interesting point, that.

173 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:55:43am

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My hunch is that there is enough wrong with his ideas and policies that we could focus our grievances there and ignore his birth certificate entirely and still have reasons not to support him.

Stop! You're confusing me!
I need something really SIMPLE to fix my hate upon.

////

174 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:55:46am

re: #154 itellu3times

cuz the main defensive weapons couldn't find them there

and somehow, in this future of r2d2 robots and such, they were still using manned craft for attack ... hey the movie was 1977 waddaya want

That's because robots The Force use cannot.
/Yoda

175 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:55:53am

re: #157 subsailor68

Good call, he's a really cool guy and (at leased used to be but I haven't heard anything that would lead me to think that it has changed) very good at what he does.

176 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:04am

re: #165 Kosh's Shadow

Or just the LOL picture of the animal having eated it. Wait, that would be a danger due to people laughing and running off the road.

That's true – sometimes you really need to double-check your advertisements.

177 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:09am

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

My personal grudge has to do with the more recent trilogy, which depicts a galaxy in which they have interstellar spacecraft moving at greater-than-light speeds, self-motivated robots, and laser swords, but apparently no ob/gyns, prenatal care, or ultrasound.

What else do you expect from a sci-fi series written by MEN?

178 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:09am

re: #163 vxbush

I actually consider this a pretty good move. Cyber security needs to be heightened a lot in this country.

Hi vxbush! I actually do too. Kind of an "it takes a thief" thing. Just couldn't resist the urge to spoof a little. Heck, if he's the best, who'd catch him?

;-)

179 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:20am

re: #158 avanti

Mine said Greek Orthodox and I never sat foot in a Greek church for all that would prove. That his birth certificate may have said atheist after his father, should not have meant much either.

Except that if it said Muslim after his father and he swore to us his father was an atheist, then it would damage his credibility.

180 jaunte  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:23am

Here are some Democrats whining about free speech being suppressed by Lamar advertising back in 2005.
[Link: www.democrats.org...]

181 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:27am

re: #115 debutaunt

As a kid, I thought Jerry Lewis was the funniest guy on the planet, after Laurel and Hardy. Haven't seen any of his movies since about 1985.

182 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:33am

re: #155 Golem Akbar

Frankfurt University of Central Kentucky?

Even better then old S.H.I.T. :) That reminds me, I still have a full set of uncensored Pardon My Blooper records.

183 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:48am

re: #95 Afrocity Whoa, I've been to both in July and I gotta warn ya, it's hotter than hell (especially Williamsburg!).

184 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:50am

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My hunch is that there is enough wrong with his ideas and policies that we could focus our grievances there and ignore his birth certificate entirely and still have reasons not to support him.

True enough. The other possibilities are that there really is no other document, or Obama is withholding it just to get the Nirthers to over-react.

185 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:52am

re: #173 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"You and your logic!"

186 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:56:54am

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

My personal grudge has to do with the more recent trilogy, which depicts a galaxy in which they have interstellar spacecraft moving at greater-than-light speeds, self-motivated robots, and laser swords, but apparently no ob/gyns, prenatal care, or ultrasound.

They were stuck with government mandated health-care. Sorry.

187 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:57:09am

re: #142 debutaunt

Is Bernice still around?

Bernice has passed on.

188 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:57:23am

re: #155 Golem Akbar

Frankfurt University of Central Kentucky?

There is a store chain that goes by their initials, the French Connection UK
Just different enough that their initials are allowed, but close enough that everyone mentally "corrects" it.
I first saw that in an upscale mall in Boston, Copley Place, and did a double-take.

189 doubter4444  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:57:36am

That's some strong crazy.
I particularly love this:
"despite the near-total absence of this issue from coverage in the non-WND media."

Non WND Media!

190 vxbush  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:57:55am

re: #178 subsailor68

Hi vxbush! I actually do too. Kind of an "it takes a thief" thing. Just couldn't resist the urge to spoof a little. Heck, if he's the best, who'd catch him?

;-)

True, true. I'm not saying they couldn't have gotten someone from a cyber security company to do it, but this guy has done white hat conferences for several years, so he seems like a good choice.

Way too many tech toys going on in preparation for the Apple keynote at WWDC.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:58:23am

re: #167 Desert Dog

Well, the requirement is in the Constitution. But, I think because his mother was American, it does not matter, yes? I know McCain was born in Panama. I am not sure how that works. But, if some person is born in another country with no American parent(s), he or she cannot be the POTUS.

Both Obama and McCain had U.S. citizenship through their mothers.

Add to that the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

I don't think these folks have anything. I know they don't want him to be president, but he is. This is, also, a really stupid conspiracy theory. Both Clinton and Bush were subject to much more sophisticated ones. The lunatic fringe is getting dumber.

192 gmsc  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:58:29am

re: #166 eschew_obfuscation

At Purdue, some cut window stickers in half and reversed the halves:

"UNIDUE PURVERSITY"

That reminds of all the names for Clinton's stain on the blue dress: "Bill Spill", "Presidue" and so on.

193 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:58:36am

re: #157 subsailor68

OT, but kinda fun:

Obama Taps Well-Known Hacker as Security Adviser

"The administration originally had very high hopes for the expertise they believed Mr. Moss could provide. Things took an odd turn, however, when it was discovered that Mr. Moss' first official act was to hack the Homeland Security payroll database and set his salary at $200 billion a month. Sources say it took several months to detect the hack, as it was, as one highly placed official put it, 'just a drop in the bucket. We thought it was just TARP money.'"

(Okay, I made that up.)

When I was in college, that's what the computer center did. It kept the systems secure, and he helped other colleges fix theirs after our college's hackers broke into them.

194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:58:49am

re: #189 doubter4444

That's some strong crazy.
I particularly love this:
"despite the near-total absence of this issue from coverage in the non-WND bark-at-the-moon-crazy media."

Non WND Media!

improved

195 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:59:03am

re: #170 Shr_Nfr

However, when you become a public company, you are governed by a duty to serve all customers, not just those you believe in. Let us say, for instance, I decided to not allow anyone who was advertising rubber ducks to advertise in my newspaper. I think I would get called on it.

You are not legally required to serve anyone who is not a recognized minority and who would have just cause for a discrimination lawsuit. I can forbid advertisements for rubber ducks if I want; people can complain all they want; my revenues would go down the toilet and I'd be out of business, but that is a perfectly viable option if I so desired. Charles, for example, is not required to allow any and all comments and opinions to remain on this board, even though it is a "public" communication forum.

196 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:59:06am

re: #179 soxfan4life

Except that if it said Muslim after his father and he swore to us his father was an atheist, then it would damage his credibility.

He can be a Christian, Muslim or secularist, depending on the venue, plus, he's both black and white. :)

197 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:59:48am

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NO NO NO. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

Plus the unions had a fit when they tried to use droid pilots.

no doubt.

well, the future is swarms of nasty little autonomous robots, like your stargate "replicators" except without the replication, send out fifty little blue ucavs against ten manned fighters, forty-nine ucavs come back and no red fighters. makes me crazy when I see Star Trek movies with capital ships and no little seeker robot swarms I'm just sayin.

shouldn't I say something about the nirthers? shouldn't I do some work?

...

198 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:59:55am

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) "OBAMA HATES GAYS!
You say that as if it's news or something!

199 philip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:59:56am

re: #167 Desert Dog

Well, the requirement is in the Constitution. But, I think because his mother was American, it does not matter, yes? I know McCain was born in Panama. I am not sure how that works. But, if some person is born in another country with no American parent(s), he or she cannot be the POTUS.

Yeah I know about the Constitution, but I personally don't care where you were born, especially in this last election which seemed to consist of 2+ years of public vetting.

Per U.S. law, it doesn't matter where your parents are citizens, all that matters to be a "natural born" citizen is that you're born here.

I'm gonna assume Obama was born in Hawaii, but I honestly don't care if he wasn't. Doesn't change anything about his policies.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:01:38am

re: #179 soxfan4life

Except that if it said Muslim after his father and he swore to us his father was an atheist, then it would damage his credibility.

Does anyone here have an original Hawaiian BC? DO they ask for parents' religions?

Personally, I could care less what Mr. Obama Sr.'s religion was. He ain't the president, he's dead, and he's not my problem.

201 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:01:50am

Some good news from the UK - George Galloway's 'Respect' party is dead.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

202 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:01:58am
203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:02:09am

re: #129 gmsc

Abe? or Jerry?

204 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:02:22am

re: #147 philip

Oh my god.

My thing is, who cares where the president was born?

Um, to be eligible for Office of the President one must be a natural-born citizen.

I think the nirth certikat stuff is nutty, Obama is a naturally born citizen of the US.

But people should care where the Pres was born.

205 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:02:26am

I sense the presence of Nirthers among us.

206 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:03:04am

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Neither my birth cert. nor my mother's have a box for religion. Does anyone's?


Mine does. But it is, of course, far older than is Obama's!

207 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:03:42am

re: #196 avanti

He can be a Christian, Muslim or secularist, depending on the venue, plus, he's both black and white. :)


No doubt, but the statement I made had to do with what Obama said while campaigning, he was asked about his father being a muslim and assured the public that he was an atheist to appease the Islamophobes.
If the original document did not support his statement it would have torpedoed his campaign. That type of scenario is much more fitting to his style than the being born outside the country one.Once his 2012 reelection campaign is done it wouldn't surprise me to see such a document appear.

208 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:03:55am

More from Harry's Place - this would be great if it was to happen, but
I can't quite see it:

Bring Back Blair!

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

209 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:11am

re: #201 Jimmah

Far right parties have gained in the Netherlands, Austria, Hungary, and UK -- that's the bad news. Gordon Brown as leader looks increaingly ify...

210 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:13am

re: #205 Charles

Disturbance in the force? Million idiot voices crying out? That kind of thing?

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:24am

re: #205 Charles

Well, that is a disturbance in the force if there ever was one.

212 barflytom  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:39am

re: #102 thedopefishlives

There are systems in place to ensure the candidate's eligibility prior to election. For all the man's faults, he does appear to know how to toy with the conspiracy theory crowd.

What systems exactly are in place, and how and when were they used to check on Obamas status ?

I dare say he is just toying with this to keep them barking up the wrong tree, and thereby divert attention from other aspects of his dubious past, but the guy seems to have escaped any sort of scrutiny.

213 LatinGent  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:41am

Laura Bush is a Lady first, and was a wonderful First lady. I miss her grace and quiet dignity.

214 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:04:45am

(I know, I know. Just all this Star Wars talk got me all wound up.)

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:05:00am

re: #199 philip


Per U.S. law, it doesn't matter where your parents are citizens, all that matters to be a "natural born" citizen is that you're born here.

Not quite. If you're born on U.S. soil, you have citizenship, but you also have U.S. citizenship through your parents if you're born out of the country. Hence, John McCain.

216 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:05:05am

re: #97 SlartyBartfast

I don't doubt the President's citizenship as much as I wonder if there's something else odd about the original document, like a Certificate # ending in "666"...delicious fuel for the "Obama-is-the-Anti-Christ" crowd.

Now THAT would be something. My curiosity is more around matching the biography that is part of the "Obama brand" with details that would be found only on the original.

Having said that, it's way down on my list of things of things I'd like answered placing just below J. Edgar Hoover's favorite piece of lingerie.

217 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:05:18am

re: #205 Charles

I sense the presence of Nirthers among us.

I could just be that burrito you had last night....the gaseous sensation is similar to the presence of Nirthers (or so I hear)

218 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:05:37am
“Here we have one of the largest media companies in the U.S. now not only refusing to allow news coverage of a vitally important national question being asked by millions of Americans, but one that won’t even permit the purchase of space to raise the question,” said Farah. “What is the value of a First Amendment in a country when this kind of self-censorship is at work – self-censorship specifically geared to stifle inquiry and debate about the most powerful person in the country.”


Perhaps he's trying to say that it isn't CBS that decides not to sell billboard space, not really. He's claiming, inarticulately, that CBS doesn't sell the billboard space because the government has made it clear to CBS that if it knows what's good for it, it won't carry messages that the POTUS wouldn't like.

This claim is pretty thin. There's a robust amount of news coverage and commentary that gets printed and aired that doesn't help along the POTUS's message. But what is Farah going to say? He can't very well say that CBS won't sell the billboard space because it fears to be associated with tin-hattery.

219 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:05:54am

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

Does anyone here have an original Hawaiian BC? DO they ask for parents' religions?

Personally, I could care less what Mr. Obama Sr.'s religion was. He ain't the president, he's dead, and he's not my problem.


I don't particularly care either. He is the President and to atack him on silly things such as this is ridiculous when he gives opponents enough to attack him with legitimately every day.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:06:01am

re: #206 realwest

Mine does. But it is, of course, far older than is Obama's!

Interesting. Thanks.

221 philip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:06:49am

re: #204 reine.de.tout

Um, to be eligible for Office of the President one must be a natural-born citizen.

I think the nirth certikat stuff is nutty, Obama is a naturally born citizen of the US.

But people should care where the Pres was born.

I know about the eligibility requirements, and I know Obama is a citizen. I just don't really care. I think having solidarity with the American people is the only requirement I care about, and I think Obama meets and exceeds that for me.

222 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:07:19am

re: #209 J.S.

Far right parties have gained in the Netherlands, Austria, Hungary, and UK -- that's the bad news. Gordon Brown as leader looks increaingly ify...

It all went down the tubes when Blair left. What a disastrous turn of events that turned out to be for Labour. Hence the desperate calls to bring him back.
.

223 philip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:07:40am

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

Not quite. If you're born on U.S. soil, you have citizenship, but you also have U.S. citizenship through your parents if you're born out of the country. Hence, John McCain.

Yes, true.

224 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:09:36am

re: #213 LatinGent


She put the Lady in First Lady where as Michelle is the Me First Lady.

225 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:10:21am

Seems like every time this comes up, Obama is trying to do an end run and cram something else down our throats. Says today that nationalized health care will help the unemployment rate. So he gets control of health care by the end of the year. What's next. He had 3 more years.

226 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:10:56am

OT ,, I need the help of the powerful Lizard Army/ Boston Area Branch

Are there any places in or around Boston (preferably north shore ,, Saugus/ Revere/Peabody) that are similar to this/
[Link: www.intownsuites.com...]

short term weekly rooms. We have them here and they run less than $200 for the week. I'll be visiying my parents with my wife and son the end f July and my son will stay with "gramdma and grandpa" but the accomadations are tight there for 4 adults and 1 child

Thanks in advance

227 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:11:16am

re: #205 Charles

I sense the presence of Nirthers among us.

Let me get the BBQ going!

228 LatinGent  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:13:11am

I`ve used Craigslist for just this type of thing Sattv, you would be surprised. Good luck.

229 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:14:52am

re: #222 Jimmah

It all went down the tubes when Blair left. What a disastrous turn of events that turned out to be for Labour. Hence the desperate calls to bring him back.
.

Blair ran Labour more like the Tories...he was a Clintonesque and moved the entire party to the center. Gordon Brown has been ineffective.....sorta like John Major was after Thatcher. It's odd that when I lived in London in the 80's, Neil Kinnock was a good old Socialist and ran (and lost) on those merits. Now, the Labour Party is way more centerist. But, the Democrats who used to be more Centrist are looking more and more like the Labour Party of the past a la Neil Kinnock. Odd how things are turning out. Europe, in general, is lurching right while the USA is turning the other way.

230 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:15:11am

re: #228 LatinGent

I`ve used Craigslist for just this type of thing Sattv, you would be surprised. Good luck.

Thanks. i've used vrbo.com (vacation rentals by owner) but those tend to be high end condos and/ or houses. We don't need anything that extravagant as most of the time will be spent at my parents house and visiting other relatives. It's just for sleeping. I'll try craigs as I hadn't thought of that

231 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:15:21am

re: #219 soxfan4life
Indeed. And besides which, if there was any truth to the 'nirther's claims, does anyone seriously doubt that Hillary would have found out and let the world know about it during the Dem primaries?

232 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:06am

re: #226 sattv4u2

OT ,, I need the help of the powerful Lizard Army/ Boston Area Branch

Are there any places in or around Boston (preferably north shore ,, Saugus/ Revere/Peabody) that are similar to this/
[Link: www.intownsuites.com...]

short term weekly rooms. We have them here and they run less than $200 for the week. I'll be visiying my parents with my wife and son the end f July and my son will stay with "gramdma and grandpa" but the accomadations are tight there for 4 adults and 1 child

Thanks in advance

BTW ,,,, name is in blue so if anyone has something just e--mail it along

thanks

233 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:16:30am

re: #197 itellu3times

no doubt.

well, the future is swarms of nasty little autonomous robots, like your stargate "replicators" except without the replication, send out fifty little blue ucavs against ten manned fighters, forty-nine ucavs come back and no red fighters. makes me crazy when I see Star Trek movies with capital ships and no little seeker robot swarms I'm just sayin.

shouldn't I say something about the nirthers? shouldn't I do some work?

...

The ucav's wouldn't come back. They all take a hit from a shotgun pellet with nano-course-correction capabilities built in. Futuristic war capabilities go far beyond the popular imagination. In space, sheer distance can provide a measure of defense, but if the enemy knows where you are and you don't know you're spotted, some little pellet with your name on it is going to arrive at relativistic velocities and finish you off. Constantly changing velocity so that your position is unpredictable can help, but then there's course corrections and sheer weight of numbers to offset that. Plus, where do you get the reaction mass to be running your rockets continuously?

Only hard sci-fi comes close to giving a sense of what might be possible. Jules Verne with 20 000 leagues under the sea was going out on a limb, but today's subs are radically more capable than his futuristic fantasy.

234 Jimmah  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:19:51am

re: #229 Desert Dog

Blair ran Labour more like the Tories...he was a Clintonesque and moved the entire party to the center. Gordon Brown has been ineffective.....sorta like John Major was after Thatcher. It's odd that when I lived in London in the 80's, Neil Kinnock was a good old Socialist and ran (and lost) on those merits. Now, the Labour Party is way more centerist. But, the Democrats who used to be more Centrist are looking more and more like the Labour Party of the past a la Neil Kinnock. Odd how things are turning out. Europe, in general, is lurching right while the USA is turning the other way.

Both main parties in the UK have moved closer to the centre in recent years - I actually think the same thing has happened in the USA, the difference being that the rhetoric of the 'grassroots' has become more extreme on both the Democrat and Republican side.

235 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:25:15am

re: #234 Jimmah

Both main parties in the UK have moved closer to the centre in recent years - I actually think the same thing has happened in the USA, the difference being that the rhetoric of the 'grassroots' has become more extreme on both the Democrat and Republican side.

I think the voters are probably getting more centerist, but I think the two major parties are going in opposite directions right now. The Dems under Obama are taking us back to the New Deal faster than I care to see. And, the rudderless Republicans are being pulled further and further to Abyss on the right. I wish both parties started moving to the center.

236 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:28:43am

re: #235 Desert Dog

I think the voters are probably getting more centerist, but I think the two major parties are going in opposite directions right now. The Dems under Obama are taking us back to the New Deal faster than I care to see. And, the rudderless Republicans are being pulled further and further to Abyss on the right. I wish both parties started moving to the center.

I don't care about the center, I want to see a party move to small government period. As they are currently comprised both parties need to go right to get to the center.

237 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:31:07am

re: #36 gmsc

We'll soon find out what the "One year later. Light years ahead." means.

(On the LNDT, it was theorized that, since Apple is using "light years" as a measure of time, when it's actually a measure of distance, we'll see an iPhone that can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.)

Up-ding 'cause it was funny, but I don't think the slogan is necessarily misusing "light years" -- I mean, you could change it to "One year later, a billion miles ahead," so that the second part unambiguously refers to distance rather than time, and it would still make sense.

It's not as bad as if they said, "One year later, a quantum leap ahead."

238 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:31:14am

So.....

If CBS outdoors doesn't accept WND's billboard, that's considered censorship but it's perfectly acceptable according to WND to force a private company to post their "eligibility" billboards?

Boggles the mind.

239 HAL2010  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:31:46am

Over here in England the Tories are quite centrist at the moment (disclosure: I am a member of the tories), and are at the moment enjoying some success. Yesterday we got nearly twice the votes Labour did, and all predictions have us winning over parliament by at least 30 MPs.

Word of advice to republicans:

After 1997, we were decimated, and spent 8 years being far more right wing, more "pure", than ever before. We lost 3 straight elections. Under David Cameron we have become a modern conservative party, although it has taken time, and is still an ongoing project.

Parties win elections by finding new converts, not by pointing out heretics. At the moment I feel the republicans are interested in the latter.

240 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:17am

I want to see a billboard with the "i eated it" picture on it.

241 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:18am

re: #225 kansas

Says today that nationalized health care will help the unemployment rate.

Under the Kennedy plan, there is an employer mandate. How exactly does that help unemployment?

242 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:34am

re: #70 Pianobuff

I wouldn't mind seeing the original certificate someday, but not because I doubt that he's a US citizen.

It will never happen though.

Can you produce your "original certificate"? Nope. No one can, because there is no such thing. It's a demand framed in such a way that it is guaranteed to fail. Your birth certificate is simply a state-certified piece of paper averring that the state has such records on file - that's all anyone gets, no matter who they are or what sort of request is made. Period. End of story.

Not only has Obama produced this document - the only such document he could possibly possess - the state has taken the exceptional step of verifying that the information contained on it is, just as is stated on the document and as is explicitly confirmed by the state seal, in fact, correct.

This is turning into the Right's version of Bush's Air Force records, with the same howling, gnashing of teeth, rending of hair and garments, and endless elaboration of vast, endless conspiracies that the loons on the Left applied in that case.

In both cases, there's nothing to see here. Let's just hope some guy wearing a tinfoil hat with a box full of UFO abduction stories doesn't show up claiming to have proof of 0's birth somewhere else; in keeping with the parallel, it will end Glen Beck's career.

Not that that would be a bad thing.

243 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:34am

re: #169 redstateredneck

I saw Abe Vigoda while eating at a German restaurant in New Jersey. My ex's father kept saying "Tesio", a little louder each time. You could tell that Abe heard everything but kept on eating.

Eventually, the ex's father got up with a menu and asked Abe to sign it, which he did. It was this giant oversized menu. So then the ex's father "snuck" out with it, meaning half of the menu was sticking out of his jacket and he was walking out like a crab into the parking lot.

It was pretty embarrassing.... kinda like being with Kramer when he saw Joe Dimaggio in the donut shop.

244 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:33:48am

re: #239 HAL2010

Over here in England the Tories are quite centrist at the moment (disclosure: I am a member of the tories), and are at the moment enjoying some success. Yesterday we got nearly twice the votes Labour did, and all predictions have us winning over parliament by at least 30 MPs.

Word of advice to republicans:

After 1997, we were decimated, and spent 8 years being far more right wing, more "pure", than ever before. We lost 3 straight elections. Under David Cameron we have become a modern conservative party, although it has taken time, and is still an ongoing project.

Parties win elections by finding new converts, not by pointing out heretics. At the moment I feel the republicans are interested in the latter.


And if they would just stop doing so 0bama's policies would give the GOP plenty of converts.

245 HAL2010  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:34:58am

re: #244 soxfan4life

I think the republicans are in a position where they need to do some serious soul-searching. Being angry does not win you elections.

246 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #239 HAL2010


Parties win elections by finding new converts, not by pointing out heretics. At the moment I feel the republicans are interested in the latter.

Quite often, the opposing party gains new converts when the ruling party has become too extreme. That's a danger of leaning too far left or right.

247 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:37:24am

re: #123 JustABill

My hunch is that if there is a more original birth certificate, it might have a box for religion, and whats checked there is why it has never been made public

There is no box for religion on any birth certificate form in the United States.

248 HAL2010  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:38:32am

re: #246 Wendya

Quite often, the opposing party gains new converts when the ruling party has become too extreme. That's a danger of leaning too far left or right.

And people just get fed up. In 1997 "New" Labour wona landslide despite 5 years on consecutive growth in the economy. The tories were tired, a spent force. As I said above, it took until 2005 until we began to shape up.

Instead of focusing on what the other party is doing, lets focus on what we can do right instead. On how we can govern well.

249 soxfan4life  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:38:39am

re: #245 HAL2010

I think the republicans are in a position where they need to do some serious soul-searching. Being angry does not win you elections.


They also need to come up with viable alternatives to 0bama's policies. Simply saying no or it won't work is not productive. 2010 as well as 2012 are there for the taking, but it seems like the GOP doesn't want to step up to the plate.

250 HAL2010  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:39:57am

re: #249 soxfan4life

They also need to come up with viable alternatives to 0bama's policies. Simply saying no or it won't work is not productive. 2010 as well as 2012 are there for the taking, but it seems like the GOP doesn't want to step up to the plate.

Their sixteen page budget with no numbers (it was sixteen pages right?) was an absolute joke.
If someone like Palin or Jindal is the candidate in 2012 it will be 1984 in reverse.

251 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:40:08am

re: #245 HAL2010

I think the republicans are in a position where they need to do some serious soul-searching. Being angry does not win you elections.

Being angry can only win one 4 year election cycle. Then you actually have to do something.

252 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:40:51am

re: #242 SixDegrees

Can you produce your "original certificate"? Nope. No one can, because there is no such thing. It's a demand framed in such a way that it is guaranteed to fail. Your birth certificate is simply a state-certified piece of paper averring that the state has such records on file - that's all anyone gets, no matter who they are or what sort of request is made. Period. End of story.

Actually, many people over a certain age do possess their "original" birth certificates. I've got mine and it provides more information than the certificate I ordered from my state of Birth. That said, the state certificate fulfills all legal requirements. No one needs to know the hospital I was born in, the attending physician, etc ... If the state of Hawaii certifies the President was born in hawaii, case closed.

253 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:40:51am

re: #242 SixDegrees


See #216. It's among the least of my concerns.

254 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:41:58am

re: #251 ConservatismNow!

Being angry can only win one 4 year election cycle. Then you actually have to do something.

As Jimmy Carter found.

255 HAL2010  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:43:57am

re: #251 ConservatismNow!

Being angry can only win one 4 year election cycle. Then you actually have to do something.

And right now, even if the republicans wanted to do something, what policies would they implement?

An amendment on marrige?

Slashing taxes without touching the defence or medicare budget?

What about social security?

Global warming?

Like I said, they have a lot of soul-searching to do.

256 HAL2010  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:44:49am

re: #254 Wendya

As Jimmy Carter found.

Any man who can be attacked by a rabbit, and loose, does not command the gravitas to be President.

In my own opinion.

257 swamprat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:51:44am

re: #123 JustABill

Don't buy land.

258 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:54:04am

re: #241 Wendya

Under the Kennedy plan, there is an employer mandate. How exactly does that help unemployment?

It puts people to work in government, enforcing the mandate.
/

259 Summer Seale  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:56:15am

They use this "First Amendment" term quite a lot.

I do not think it means what they think it means.

260 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:57:58am

re: #255 HAL2010

And right now, even if the republicans wanted to do something, what policies would they implement?

It's hard to accomplish anything when you don't even have a seat at the table. The President can yammer on about a "new era of bipartisanship" all he wants but when he defines bipartisanship as "my way or the highway", it's easy to see why all you hear from the right is sniping from the sidelines because that is the only place they have.

I have no desire to see the republicans holding hearings in basement rooms and attempting to institute a shadow government. That's not the way our system works. The only thing they have going for them right now is their votes against Obama's economic policies and the fact that the stimulus is not working. The vast majority of their amendments are shot down by party line votes if they're even allowed out of committee. Most of the public never even hears about them.

261 Pianobuff  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #260 Wendya

It's hard to accomplish anything when you don't even have a seat at the table. The President can yammer on about a "new era of bipartisanship" all he wants but when he defines bipartisanship as "my way or the highway", it's easy to see why all you hear from the right is sniping from the sidelines because that is the only place they have.

I have no desire to see the republicans holding hearings in basement rooms and attempting to institute a shadow government. That's not the way our system works. The only thing they have going for them right now is their votes against Obama's economic policies and the fact that the stimulus is not working. The vast majority of their amendments are shot down by party line votes if they're even allowed out of committee. Most of the public never even hears about them.

I thought I recalled reading over the weekend that the R leaders have a several week old request out to meet with the administration to which there has been no response so far. I was I could remember the source and whether it was credible. If I do, I'll post it.

262 littleben  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:47:47am

Its in Indonesia-(or Kenya) one of the three continents he lived in which brought him closer to the birthplace of Islam. Salaam Aleikum

263 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:08:13pm

re: #241 Wendya

More gov't employees to administer the program.
Hence they aren't unemployed.

Their brand of simple logic.

264 Yashmak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:08:46pm

re: #262 littleben

Its in Indonesia-(or Kenya) one of the three continents he lived in which brought him closer to the birthplace of Islam. Salaam Aleikum

You're going to drive me to resort to name calling here in a moment. I've got some choice ones picked out.

265 Yashmak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 12:19:41pm

re: #170 Shr_Nfr

However, when you become a public company, you are governed by a duty to serve all customers, not just those you believe in.

Right to refuse service, anyone? An advertising company is NOT governed by any duty to print nonsense, false information, or conspiracy theory.

Let us say, for instance, I decided to not allow anyone who was advertising rubber ducks to advertise in my newspaper. I think I would get called on it.

I would like to see Obama's college records unfrozen so we can put this thing to bed once and for all. But I doubt we will.

It's been posted online for all to see since almost the moment this nonsensical non-issue came to light.

266 Land Shark  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:13:25pm

re: #245 HAL2010

I think the republicans are in a position where they need to do some serious soul-searching. Being angry does not win you elections.

I don't know if you followed the Democrat party over the last 8 years, but they and their minions were angry all the time and they've won the last 2 elections. Of course, it helped that the GOP was too busy becoming Democrat Lite and alienating their voting base as well in the process.

But anger can and does win elections, it just that you've got to get the voters angry with you and at the same target.

267 Land Shark  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:21:43pm

These birth certificate nut cases are really pathetic. When the state of Hawaii certified they have a certificate of live birth for Obama the issue was closed as far as I'm concerned.

There's so many other issues they could put their efforts into that would make a lot more sense than beating this dead horse.

268 Nekama  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:36:52pm

re: #4 Ben Hur

Screw the birth certificate.

Release his college transcripts!

And ANYTHING he published as Editor of Harvard Law Review.

You could sail an aircraft carrier through all the holes in Barry's background. That is if we'll have any aircraft carriers after he's through destroying our country.

269 descolada9  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:22:42pm

Why can't this issue just go away!

270 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:47:59pm

re: #265 Yashmak

You are talking about his birth certificate. I am willing to believe that the vault certificate states the same. However, and it is a however, Mr. Obama could assume one of 3 citizenships at the age of 18. He could affirm his American citizenship through the act of stating his was an American citizen on his college applications. He could assume a Kenyan citizenship by stating that he was a citizen of Kenya on his college applications. He could assume an Indonesian citizenship by stating that he was a citizen of Indonesia on his applications or using his Indonesian passport to travel outside the US. Any of these three routes is a possibility. Please remember, we are dealing with a 18 year old crackhead at this point in his life. They do not always choose wisely. If he were to release his college records/application and it shows that he put down American for his citizenship, it buries the Nirther nonsense once and for all. However, if it shows something else or it is shown he went to Pakistan on his Indonesian passport, he has a big problem.

271 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:54:16pm

re: #269 descolada9

Because Mr. Transparency is not being transparent on the matter. I would urge him to do so, so that it can go away and cease to be a distraction. But his urge to hide things (for a reason or not I do not know) keeps the conspiracy stuff alive. If he is half as brilliant as all his many admirers say he is, then releasing the transcripts and records will just confirm stuff. As it is, there are a few too many questions running around that should and could be put to bed.

272 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:56:08pm

re: #195 thedopefishlives

LGF is not a corporation with a business license to my knowledge.

273 ihateronpaul  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:27:46pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OBAMA HATES GAYS!
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Court rejects challenge to 'don't ask, don't tell'

That really sucks. Remind me again why our country institutionalizes homophobia?

274 ihateronpaul  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:29:06pm

re: #270 Shr_Nfr

You are talking about his birth certificate. I am willing to believe that the vault certificate states the same. However, and it is a however, Mr. Obama could assume one of 3 citizenships at the age of 18. He could affirm his American citizenship through the act of stating his was an American citizen on his college applications. He could assume a Kenyan citizenship by stating that he was a citizen of Kenya on his college applications. He could assume an Indonesian citizenship by stating that he was a citizen of Indonesia on his applications or using his Indonesian passport to travel outside the US. Any of these three routes is a possibility. Please remember, we are dealing with a 18 year old crackhead at this point in his life. They do not always choose wisely. If he were to release his college records/application and it shows that he put down American for his citizenship, it buries the Nirther nonsense once and for all. However, if it shows something else or it is shown he went to Pakistan on his Indonesian passport, he has a big problem.

hey dude, stop drinking the WND flavor aid. And I love you use the fact that he brought himself out of a shitty drug addled situation against him when in fact it is a case of heroic self determination.

275 Yashmak  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 7:55:41am

re: #270 Shr_Nfr

You are talking about his birth certificate.

And here I thought his birth certificate was what this birth certificate silliness was all about. Apparently, even that isn't enough.

He could assume a Kenyan citizenship by stating that he was a citizen of Kenya on his college applications.

I claimed I was a citizen of Madagascar on my college applications, although I have absolutely no connection to the place, nor am I actually a citizen thereof. I also claimed I was ethnically an African American Eskimo. . .which I thought hilarious at the time, and which is also false. I don't see why his college records could be counted on to provide anything except more fuel for conspiracy theory adled minds.


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