N. Korea Gives US Journalists 12 Years Hard Labor

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Two US journalists for Al Gore’s Current TV have been sentenced to 12 years’ hard labour in North Korea.

I notice we aren’t hearing a lot of talk about “unclenching fists” these days.

The US hinted at the weekend that, in response to the nuclear stand-off, it could rebrand North Korea a terrorist state and also begin stopping and searching North Korean ships. One small hopeful sign from today’s sentencing was that the fate of the two journalists was not publicly linked to the nuclear row. Washington too will strive to keep the issues separate.

The two journalists, Laura Ling and Euna Lee, who worked for Al Gore’s Current TV, were arrested in March while filming a report about North Koreans fleeing across the Tumen river into China. North Korea claims the two illegally entered the country but other reports said the two had been filming from Chinese soil.

Their trial, held in secret, began on Thursday and they were sentenced to 12 years of “reform through labour” for an unspecified “grave crime” and for allegedly entering the country illegally, according to North Korean television.

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568 comments
1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:26:34pm

A pox upon the house of Kim Il Jong...

2 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:27:21pm

Both of them women.

What does Kimmie want in exchange?

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:27:33pm

I think I'm still stuck in the previous thread.

4 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:28:49pm

Is North Korea a tiny problem or a big one? ... I keep forgetting ...

5 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:29:11pm

This is not good.

Lil Kim is demanding attention and he has not been getting enough of it.

6 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:29:16pm

re: #2 Cato the Elder

4 more years of Obama

7 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:29:39pm

What are the odds of two Americans surviving 12 years in a NK prison?

8 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:29:41pm

re: #2 Cato the Elder

Both of them women.

What does Kimmie want in exchange?

More handouts.

We've trained NK to behave like this over the last 50 years or so. They keep crossing our lines in the sand, and we keep doing nothing in response.

Expect more of the same if we run squealing back to the negotiating table again.

9 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:30:02pm

re: #4 JacksonTn

Is North Korea a tiny problem or a big one? ... I keep forgetting ...

It's pretty damn big for the gals. I hope they stay safe.

10 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:30:28pm

re: #4 JacksonTn

I personally think it's a bigger problem than Iran.

11 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:04pm

Well, as usual for our enemies foreign friends we haven't made yet, Lil' Kim did unclench something.

The middle finger of his left hand.

I'm waiting to hear what Mr. Ronery is going to demand under the table for not sending them to his Friendly Neighborhood Gulag.

/a 10-12 year sentence in a PDRNK "strict regimen" labor camp/prison generally ends a good bit earlier- most prisoners last only about four or five years.

cheers (sort of)

eon

12 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:22pm

re: #10 Conservative Moonbat

I personally think it's a bigger problem than Iran.

CM ... you mean "that" tiny problem? ... oh, yeah ... I forgot about that little ole thing ...

13 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:24pm

HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE!

Sir, your rhetoric seems to have no effect on the enemy!

14 jvic  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:26pm

Would the North Koreans have seized the journalists without Chinese permission?

15 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:42pm

If Al Gore had any moral fiber, he'd offer to exchange himself for the two girls.

16 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:32:09pm

re: #12 JacksonTn

CM ... you mean "that" tiny problem? ... oh, yeah ... I forgot about that little ole thing ...

Ozero will blame us.

17 kynna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:32:39pm

Did they enter the country illegally? Was it on assignment from Current TV? What does Al Gore have to say about this?

I pray for these women. Remember when Bush was laughed at for putting NoKo in the "axis of evil"? Not so funny these days.

18 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:32:57pm

re: #15 Son of the Black Dog

If Al Gore had any moral fiber, he'd offer to exchange himself for the two girls.

Can we give them Mikey Moore as well?
/

19 Rexatosis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:33:16pm

This is damn near a death sentence. This is part of NK's testing of President Obama whether the Obama Administration wants to see the link or not.

20 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:33:19pm

re: #14 jvic

Would the North Koreans have seized the journalists without Chinese permission?

Yes. Lil' Kim gets to give The One a middle-finger flagdown and thumb his nose at the old men in Beijing (whom he considers "ideological backsliders") simultaneously. From his POV, it's a twofer.

cheers

eon

21 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:33:52pm

re: #14 jvic

Would the North Koreans have seized the journalists without Chinese permission?

Sure. Kimmy is a real pain in the ass as far as China is concerned. He has always behaved independently of China, and the day may be approaching when China no longer views such unpredictable behavior with much tolerance. They really don't want the US, and even less so the US and a bunch of it's allies, floating off the NK coast threatening the region with a hot war.

22 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:34:25pm

re: #7 DEZes

What are the odds of two Americans surviving 12 years in a NK prison?

Worse that just prison, this is at hard labor. You know that the conditions are crude & inhumane.
These women have to be negotiated out.

23 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:35:57pm

re: #18 VegasRick

Can we give them Mikey Moore as well?
/

He could feed a family of eight for at least a couple of months.

24 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:37:31pm

re: #22 opnion

Worse that just prison, this is at hard labor. You know that the conditions are crude & inhumane.
These women have to be negotiated out.

I would expect the environment to be very hostile toward Americans, its a death sentence.

25 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:37:50pm

Obama's reaction to this will be judged by the rest of the world. I expect taking Americans as hostages/prisoners will become fashionable again.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:38:32pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE!

Sir, your rhetoric seems to have no effect on the enemy!

I can't believe the country fell for the bullshit.

27 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:39:14pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can't believe 53% of the country fell for the bullshit.

FTFY

28 bcgirl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:39:19pm

i so hope you are not right on that one .but. re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama's reaction to this will be judged by the rest of the world. I expect taking Americans as hostages/prisoners will become fashionable again.

29 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:39:25pm

Here's another community which needs some organizing!

30 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:39:27pm

This is just not as critical as a Jew in Jerusalem adding an extra bedroom to his house.

/

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #22 opnion

These women have to be negotiated out.

You mean like this?

32 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:40:20pm

North Korean Camps

Youtube Video

20 minutes.
Interview with escapees form NorKo Camps.

Chilling stuff.

33 restitutor orbis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:40:38pm

Although no journalist is worth risking war over, and CurrentTV "journalists" even less so, I think this calls for a carrier battle group in the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea. Its the least the One can do for his water-carriers.

Although being a former 7th Fleet sailor, I would be pretty pissed if I had to mess up my liberty plans over two of Al Gores minions.

34 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:40:39pm

The US needs to rethink it's NK strategy. It ought to be obvious to everyone by now that negotiations don't work; Kimmy simply uses them to get what he wants, then reneges on his end of the deal, ad infinitum. Sanctions also don't work; NK is pretty much self-sufficient when it comes to mass starvation and poverty, and getting the Russians to agree not to export $5000 watches to the country just isn't going to have any impact.

Interdicting their ships, however, would make everyone sit up and pay attention. NK makes nearly all it's cash from arms exports, the only way it can ship those arms is by sea, and a couple of high-profile seizures - after a high-profile announcement of intention - just might get the message across that we're sick of this shit and aren't going to play nice anymore.

The risk of a war is near zero. If Kimmy wanted a war, he could start one in five minutes by lobbing artillery into Seoul. He wants a free hand to do whatever he wants, and he wants the rest of the world to keep funneling aid to him in return.

Failing action by China - which is still the best hope of getting anything done, to be frank - it might be time for the US and it's allies in the region to bitch-slap the little asshole.

35 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:40:45pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama's reaction to this will be judged by the rest of the world. I expect taking Americans as hostages/prisoners will become fashionable again.

Jimma ring a bell?

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:41:22pm

re: #27 VegasRick

As fifty-three percent of the country goes....

37 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:41:25pm

re: #18 VegasRick

Can we give them Mikey Moore as well?
/

I'll buy him two seats, one way, to Pyongyang.

38 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:41:41pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama's reaction to this will be judged by the rest of the world. I expect taking Americans as hostages/prisoners will become fashionable again.

Who was that guy who said ... we're gonna be challenged, and you won't like our response?

/I forget, but I have a bad feeling that he's gonna deserve an upding

39 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:42:06pm

re: #37 Son of the Black Dog

I'll buy him two seats, one way, to Pyongyang.

He needs both of them.

40 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:42:18pm

I do remember my various counter intelligence classes on North Korean activities in Japan as well as their activities along North Korean borders. About N.K. operatives kidnapping people on foreign soil so the fact the two journalists were captured on the Chinese side of the river comes as no shock to me. Were these two women traveling alone near the N.K. border? If so, why?

41 bcgirl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:42:35pm

well now ozero can be the messiah AND moses,, let my journalists GO! yeah right, sorry that was mean

42 Rexatosis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:42:48pm

Both of these journalists work for Al Gore's News network. They are employees of the former Vice-President of the United States, they seizure, show trial, and sentence is a direct message to the current Presidental Administration from the same party as VP Gore. As high profile prisoners both journalists are high value propoganda pieces for the NK regime internally showing it to have stood up to the United States. As such they may be more valuable to the NK regime held than released (possibly a reversal of the earlier situation in Iran a couple of months ago). This does not bode well for these two ladies.

43 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:42:59pm

News update from CBS;

Two "special envoys" are being considered by POTUS to go to Pyonmgyang and "negotiate" the two reporters' release. They are (drum roll, please)...

Former NM Governor and Energy Secretary Bill Richardson and/or

Former VOTUS AlGore From The Planet Eco.

My guess is, the deal to get the two reporters out will involve "carbon credits", meaning "cash under the table".

/sort of appropriate, as the word "cash" is Chinese in origin, referring to a bronze coin of the Han Dynasty- hence "cold, hard cash"

cheers

eon

44 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:43:10pm

re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As fifty-three percent of the country goes....

Unfortunately for us.

45 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:43:28pm

Maybe Algore can attempt to sneak across the NK border for a daring rescue. Just dreaming.

46 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:00pm

re: #18 VegasRick

Can we give them Mikey Moore as well?
/

He'd come back with a fauxumentry about how wonderful Kim is and the fantastic medical care they have. Half of it would be the fantastic traffic control in Pyongyang.

Youtube Video
47 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:16pm

re: #22 opnion

Worse that just prison, this is at hard labor. You know that the conditions are crude & inhumane.
These women have to be negotiated out.

Seriously, I wish someone could explain the difference between a North Korean labor camp and Buchenwald.

Why do we allow such a regime to exist?

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:18pm

re: #44 VegasRick

Dig.

49 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:33pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

CNN's Rick Sanchez program played an audio of one of his "viewers" exclaiming that this was all George Bush's fault, and furthermore North Korean justice was far preferable to AmeriKKKa's since, after all, the North Koreans gave the 2 gals a speedy trial unlike those poor, deprived detainees at Gitmo. (yet another CNN bozo viewer who's in need of an American citizenship primer -- grade school level, I'd say).

50 laxmatt1984  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:38pm

These poor women will never get out.

North Korea is entering a strange (stranger) dangerous new era.

I think 24 year old heir apparent Jong-un might be a modern day Caligula.

51 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:51pm

re: #37 Son of the Black Dog

I'll buy him two seats, one way, to Pyongyang.

Actually, leave a trail of cheeseburgers and pizza to a live animal crate and ship him by freight it'll be cheaper.

52 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:45:35pm

re: #50 laxmatt1984

hmmm....I believe they'll get out, the only question is, What will Obama give them in exchange?

53 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:45:58pm

re: #47 Son of the Black Dog

Seriously, I wish someone could explain the difference between a North Korean labor camp and Buchenwald.

Why do we allow such a regime to exist?

Giving peace a chance?

54 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:46:03pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You mean like this?

Probably wouldn't work. Kim wants something, hey maybe dinner with the First couple at the White House. It would be fun, he could see Michelles toned arms.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:46:07pm

Anybody seen Albusteve lately?

56 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:46:08pm

re: #52 J.S.

hmmm....I believe they'll get out, the only question is, What will Obama give them in exchange?

Yep.

57 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:46:30pm

re: #33 restitutor orbis

So if these were right-wing journalists things would be different? They're Americans and an American journalist's life is just as important as an American student or American bricklayer's. Regardless of political affiliation.

58 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:46:57pm

re: #50 laxmatt1984

These poor women will never get out.

North Korea is entering a strange (stranger) dangerous new era.

I think 24 year old heir apparent Jong-un might be a modern day Caligula.

There comes a time when you have a look at a situation, take the hit and end the problem once and for all.

Obama won't do it.

59 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:47:22pm

re: #24 DEZes

I would expect the environment to be very hostile toward Americans, its a death sentence.

It is.

60 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:47:32pm

All the tinpots know they can get away with more now. They are seeking chips for future bargains. Americans abroad beware.

61 latingent  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:47:42pm

Does The O even have the stones to say anything? Should he?

62 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:47:44pm

re: #40 Idle Drifter

I do remember my various counter intelligence classes on North Korean activities in Japan as well as their activities along North Korean borders. About N.K. operatives kidnapping people on foreign soil so the fact the two journalists were captured on the Chinese side of the river comes as no shock to me. Were these two women traveling alone near the N.K. border? If so, why?

My understanding was that they were reporting on the substantial illegal traffic involving North Koreans sneaking into China to find work, and smuggling food and goods back into North Korea. China arrests those caught and deports them back to NK; in NK, getting caught on either side of the border with this sort of thing in mind is an automatic death sentence.

My guess is that the reporters were bouncing back and forth across the border with some of the illegal NK citizens, and had the misfortune to get caught. Their "trial," however, is strictly for show, with the ultimate goal of extortion in exchange for their release. Any NK citizens caught with them are probably already dead, no trial required.

63 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:48:01pm

Well, dang.
I've just switched my avatar back to the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club.

64 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:48:03pm

re: #47 Son of the Black Dog

Seriously, I wish someone could explain the difference between a North Korean labor camp and Buchenwald.

Why do we allow such a regime to exist?

Cause doing anything would be messy and costly. Besides Lil' Kim is only doing his own people.

*spit*

65 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:48:29pm

re: #17 kynna

Did they enter the country illegally? Was it on assignment from Current TV? What does Al Gore have to say about this?

I pray for these women. Remember when Bush was laughed at for putting NoKo in the "axis of evil"? Not so funny these days.

Unless things have changed, Gore is mum on the subject.

There is speculation that the Norks crossed over into China and grabbed the women who weer filming a documentary on refugees escaping into China.

66 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:48:31pm

re: #50 laxmatt1984

These poor women will never get out.

North Korea is entering a strange (stranger) dangerous new era.

I think 24 year old heir apparent Jong-un might be a modern day Caligula.

?

I got ten bucks that says they will be home within a month, and Lil Kim will have a shiny new Rolls Royce in the driveway, along with a bucket load of YOUR tax dollars.

67 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:23pm

re: #57 Bloodnok

So if these were right-wing journalists things would be different? They're Americans and an American journalist's life is just as important as an American student or American bricklayer's. Regardless of political affiliation.

They're Americans. Period. Full stop. Either we accept that a foreign nation can imprison them for no legitimate reason and leave them to their fate or we do whatever it takes to get them back. I have strong suspicions which way Obama leans.

68 drogheda  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:26pm

re: #46 jcm

He'd come back with a fauxumentry about how wonderful Kim is and the fantastic medical care they have. Half of it would be the fantastic traffic control in Pyongyang.

Dude! You like totally forgot the awesome agricultural advances that like ensure that there's like no starvation in the worker's paradise.
/////

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:48pm

re: #63 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My FIL was in the Chosin Reservoir.

Some bad shit there.

70 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:51pm

re: #33 restitutor orbis

Although no journalist is worth risking war over, and CurrentTV "journalists" even less so, I think this calls for a carrier battle group in the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea. Its the least the One can do for his water-carriers.

Although being a former 7th Fleet sailor, I would be pretty pissed if I had to mess up my liberty plans over two of Al Gores minions.

How many carrier battle groups do we have anymore?
Think we're getting spread a little thin?

71 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:56pm

re: #63 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, dang.
I've just switched my avatar back to the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club.

Member of LBJ's little conspiracy to excuse sending combat troops to Vietnam I see!

//////////

72 laxmatt1984  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:50:41pm

re: #66 Racer X

If that's what it takes, great. I say give whatever bribe is needed. No one deserves to stay in NK.

But don't you think that's already been offered?

With Kim Jong-il clearly ailing, and Jong-un doing what is necessary (from a crazy NK point of view) to secure his rule, I simply don't see any positive developments - on any NK issue - for a long time.

73 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My FIL was in the Chosin Reservoir.

Some bad shit there.

My father was there as well. Lots of bad, he got caught behind the 38.

74 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:50:58pm

re: #66 Racer X

Or maybe Obama could ship Dear Leader a boatload of Hollywood DVDs -- the complete set?

75 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:51:16pm

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're Americans. Period. Full stop. Either we accept that a foreign nation can imprison them for no legitimate reason and leave them to their fate or we do whatever it takes to get them back. I have strong suspicions which way Obama leans.

IF they crossed knowingly and illegally into N Korea, they not only endangered their own lives but created a huge freaking mess for the administration.

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:51:25pm

re: #73 VegasRick

Double plus un-good bad.

77 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:51:33pm

re: #66 Racer X

?

I got ten bucks that says they will be home within a month, and Lil Kim will have a shiny new Rolls Royce in the driveway, along with a bucket load of YOUR tax dollars.

I strongly suspect that's the plan.

I'm hoping the payoff is more along the lines of a few boatloads of exported arms being interdicted, with promises to increase interdiction exponentially until they are released.

But I'm a dreamer.

78 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:51:41pm

re: #74 J.S.

Or maybe Obama could ship Dear Leader a boatload of Hollywood DVDs -- the complete set?

If he would just send Team America - World Police!

79 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:51:54pm

Laura Ling's sister use to be on The View ... maybe they could have her on ... and then Oprah could have her on her show (she has been on it before) and THEN ... people will get the message about these women ...

/I wish I were joking ...

80 latingent  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:52:46pm

Dad was at The Chosin. Put him on the Hope in Pusan bay for 8 months and then another 18 months at San diego med center. Frostbite and such. Am wondering what he would say if he were still with us. Best Man I ever knew.

81 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:52:53pm

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Double plus un-good bad.

He got 7 medals, and a flag at his service. He was proud to have done it.

82 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:01pm

re: #47 Son of the Black Dog

Seriously, I wish someone could explain the difference between a North Korean labor camp and Buchenwald.

Why do we allow such a regime to exist?

If we initiated war with NK, we would be pretty much on our own.
The Korean War was savage & we didn't lose , but the NK regime survived, so they won too.
They have denounced the Armistice, so technically a state of war exists now. If it came to it in my opinion, the smart thing would be to take out the capital by air and all of the infrastructure.

83 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:19pm

re: #61 latingent

Does The O even have the stones to say anything? Should he?

Yes, he should. I'm betting he won't, or will say something that will just encourage Lil' Kim. He will let his dogma and memes guide him, and when it blows up in his face, blame somebody else.

the problem with The One is that he came up under the Chicago machine. There, if you have a (D) next to your name, no matter how royally you screw up, The Machine will protect you to protect itself. He believes that he can count on The Machine to do the same at this level- not understanding that when you are POTUS, there is no machine that can take the fall for you, or cover your a$$.

Sooner or later, The One is going to get a very rude awakening to this concept. And it will be one he cannot avoid by throwing someone else under the bus.

This could bring it about, sooner rather than later.

cheers

eon

84 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:43pm

re: #75 Wendya

IF they crossed knowingly and illegally into N Korea, they not only endangered their own lives but created a huge freaking mess for the administration.

For some reason, especially given the NK history of kidnapping people from other countries, I dont place a hell of a lot of faith in their claims. Until provided with verifiable reports that they actually did something wrong, I'll support an American citizen.

85 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:47pm

re: #68 drogheda

Dude! You like totally forgot the awesome agricultural advances that like ensure that there's like no starvation in the worker's paradise.
/////

Tree bark soup is so nutritious!
Maybe MM would like to be on a diet.

86 solomonpanting  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:52pm

Enter North Korea illegally and one gets twelve years of hard labor.
Enter the US illegally and one gets:

-An opportunity to find work-
-Food stamps-
-Medical care-
-A driver's license-
-An education-
-An opportunity for citizenship-
-The right to vote*-

*certain restrictions apply, only those registering Democrat need apply

87 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:52pm

And here's another fist that isn't unclenching:

Poll: Few Iranians see U.S. positively, despite Obama

The survey [of Iranians], taken last month, shows that 29 percent of Iranians view the U.S. positively. In February 2008, a similar poll of Iranians showed 34 percent with favorable views of the U.S.

Yes, they liked us more when Bush was president.

88 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:54:30pm

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My FIL was in the Chosin Reservoir.

Some bad shit there.

Very.

My Dad lucked out. He was still at Pendleton. Went over later.

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:54:46pm

re: #81 VegasRick

Dad in law too. They won't say they were brave either. Stuck there.

His toenails are black from the frostbite.

90 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:55:09pm

This is like Carter all over again.

Just get used to it folks, this is only the beginning.

Is it just me, or are our usual Obama worshipers/apologists amazingly absent on this thread?

91 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:55:31pm

re: #74 J.S.

Or maybe Obama could ship Dear Leader a boatload of Hollywood DVDs -- the complete set?

And a complete collection of Jerry Lewis movies and comedy appearances.
Or is that France?

92 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:55:37pm

re: #90 3 wood

This is like Carter all over again.

Just get used to it folks, this is only the beginning.

Is it just me, or are our usual Obama worshipers/apologists amazingly absent on this thread?

How does the economy look ?

93 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:56:34pm

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're Americans. Period. Full stop. Either we accept that a foreign nation can imprison them for no legitimate reason and leave them to their fate or we do whatever it takes to get them back. I have strong suspicions which way Obama leans.

He's trying to figure out how to:

1. blame Bush for this, and

2. Apologize for the US over this.

94 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:56:34pm

And just a reminder, any escalation to a full scale shooting war and Seoul is gone.

95 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:56:54pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama's reaction to this will be judged by the rest of the world. I expect taking Americans as hostages/prisoners will become fashionable again.

well this sure will cost more that shooting a coupla pirates...

96 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:57:06pm

re: #78 Alouette

(Kim was also in the habit of kidnapping people -- South Koreans, Japanese, etc.,-- and then forcing them to appear in movies he directed.."Kim—a big-time cineaste—produce(d) sweeping celluloid epics..." from a Slate article.)

97 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:57:14pm

re: #71 jcm

Member of LBJ's little conspiracy to excuse sending combat troops to Vietnam I see!

//////////

My first time on (semi-)combat alert in the South China Sea was on Kennedy's watch.

/:D ... whippersnapper!

98 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:57:17pm

Can we arrange for an exchange? They let the women go and take Gore in their place.

99 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:57:36pm

re: #78 Alouette

If he would just send Team America - World Police!

Or let the UN handle it. Yeah, the UN. That's the ticket.

100 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:57:48pm

re: #92 debutaunt

How does the economy look ?

High unemployment and inflation. 10 year treasury rates have increased 52% in 3 months.

Yep, Jimmy Carter all over again.

I'm waiting for another Malaise speech.

101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:58:05pm

re: #80 latingent

Dad was at The Chosin. Put him on the Hope in Pusan bay for 8 months and then another 18 months at San diego med center. Frostbite and such. Am wondering what he would say if he were still with us. Best Man I ever knew.

*salute*

102 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:58:09pm

Obama oh bummah.
Helpless.

104 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:58:20pm

re: #100 3 wood

High unemployment and inflation. 10 year treasury rates have increased 52% in 3 months.

Yep, Jimmy Carter all over again.

I'm waiting for another Malaise speech.

WHIP INFLATION NOW!

105 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:58:22pm

re: #62 SixDegrees

My understanding was that they were reporting on the substantial illegal traffic involving North Koreans sneaking into China to find work, and smuggling food and goods back into North Korea. China arrests those caught and deports them back to NK; in NK, getting caught on either side of the border with this sort of thing in mind is an automatic death sentence.

My guess is that the reporters were bouncing back and forth across the border with some of the illegal NK citizens, and had the misfortune to get caught. Their "trial," however, is strictly for show, with the ultimate goal of extortion in exchange for their release. Any NK citizens caught with them are probably already dead, no trial required.

After seeing the many photos of near empty North Korean cities with its few residents acting within strict behavior, I can only imagine the horror that is kept hidden from the rest of the world. Everything is for show in North Korea. The recent missile tests, the atomic bomb test and now these two journalists being given a death within 12 years sentenced at one North Korea's "Reform Labor Camps" is all a part of the show.

106 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:58:23pm

In case no one else has yet made the point today, I will:

Weakness invites aggression.

107 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:58:47pm

re: #99 Soona'

Or let the UN handle it. Yeah, the UN. That's the ticket.

Send Hans Brix.

108 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:59:02pm

re: #82 opnion

If we initiated war with NK, we would be pretty much on our own.
The Korean War was savage & we didn't lose , but the NK regime survived, so they won too.
They have denounced the Armistice, so technically a state of war exists now. If it came to it in my opinion, the smart thing would be to take out the capital by air and all of the infrastructure.

I know, my question was rhetorical, and intended to spotlight the hypocrisy of Obama's speech at Buchenwald.

109 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:59:23pm

re: #92 debutaunt

How does the economy look ?

With 9.4% unemployment and inflation hidden in the stimulus spending and debt monetization (Treasury printing money to buy bonds from the Fed), the Misery Index cannot be accurately computed at present.

My estimate (based on fuel prices, etc.), is about 14% right now. Subject to Change... upward.

Well, I'm off for the evening.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

110 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:59:36pm

re: #107 Alouette

Send Hans Brix.

Ooooo, Hawns Brix! You're breaking my balls, Hawns Brix!

111 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:59:44pm

re: #107 Alouette

Send Hans Brix.

or Arec Bawhdrin.

112 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:00:02pm

re: #92 debutaunt

How does the economy look ?

re: #105 Idle Drifter

After seeing the many photos of near empty North Korean cities with its few residents acting within strict behavior, I can only imagine the horror that is kept hidden from the rest of the world. Everything is for show in North Korea. The recent missile tests, the atomic bomb test and now these two journalists being given a death within 12 years sentenced at one North Korea's "Reform Labor Camps" is all a part of the show.


North Korea probably doesn't want them anywhere near a real labor camp, because then they would report on in when they are released.

113 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:00:13pm

re: #80 latingent

Dad was at The Chosin. Put him on the Hope in Pusan bay for 8 months and then another 18 months at San diego med center. Frostbite and such. Am wondering what he would say if he were still with us. Best Man I ever knew.

Frozen Chosin, an epic battle. Was your dad Marine or Army?
God bless his sacrafice.

114 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:00:17pm

re: #97 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My first time on (semi-)combat alert in the South China Sea was on Kennedy's watch.

/:D ... whippersnapper!

MY FIL was on the Maddox in Korea, same boat later involved in the "conspiracy." He always griped about the Captain liking to close in to increase the guns effectiveness. I found log pages and other stuff on the 'net. The Maddox was the most shot at destroyer in Korea.

115 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:00:30pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

or Arec Bawhdrin.

Sean Penn.

116 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:00:31pm

re: #100 3 wood

High unemployment and inflation. 10 year treasury rates have increased 52% in 3 months.

Yep, Jimmy Carter all over again.

I'm waiting for another Malaise speech.

Do you have a wild guess at how high inflation will rise?

117 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:06pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

or Arec Bawhdrin.

Matt Damon.

118 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:18pm

re: #115 Wendya

Sean Penn.

"Matt Damon!"
- Matt Damon

119 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:23pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WHIP INFLATION NOW!

WON = Whip Obama Inflation.

120 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:24pm

re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WHIP INFLATION NOW!

Ford, was the WIN president.

121 Right Brain  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:30pm

This is getting better by the hour, throughout the EU the Right is getting voted into office-even the NY State Senate went Republican today, who would have thunk it--and now we have N. Korea, the worst place on earth running amuck and President Detached hasn't said or done a thing. Obama's got to the end of the summer and then he's toast.

122 latingent  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:40pm

Thank you PMB, mom told me my older brother was concieved at San Diego med center...more info than I needed at the time. He was a Marine, we lost him to a brain tumor in 85`.

123 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:43pm

re: #114 jcm

MY FIL was on the Maddox in Korea, same boat later involved in the "conspiracy." He always griped about the Captain liking to close in to increase the guns effectiveness. I found log pages and other stuff on the 'net. The Maddox was the most shot at destroyer in Korea.

*salute* to your father-in-law
/for being there ... not for gripping, though I probably would have too

124 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:02:32pm

re: #66 Racer X

I suspect that the brother-in-law runs the country and the son is pushing daisies. The succession game in these countries does not observe niceties. The brother-in-law has made sure he has appeared along with Kim in any pictures taken recently.

125 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:02:43pm

re: #120 jcm

Ford, was the WIN president.

It was the 70s, I was like 6. Its all the same to me :P

126 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:02:45pm

re: #108 Son of the Black Dog

I know, my question was rhetorical, and intended to spotlight the hypocrisy of Obama's speech at Buchenwald.

I got it, I just went off on a tangent.

127 Neutral President  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:03:10pm

re: #2 Cato the Elder

Both of them women.

What does Kimmie want in exchange?

More US taxpayer funded handouts and a pass to keep making nucrear tipped barristic missires.

128 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:03:17pm

Drudge has the supremes blocking the sale of Chrysler.
Little Kink in the O-Plan.

129 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:03:18pm

re: #100 3 wood

High unemployment and inflation. 10 year treasury rates have increased 52% in 3 months.

Yep, Jimmy Carter all over again.

I'm waiting for another Malaise speech.

I've seen this movie before. Didn't like it then, either.
Paying 24 percent on your home equity line of credit sucks big time.

130 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:03:43pm

he's gonna spread happiness ... he's gonna spread freedom ... Obama's gonna change it ...

/oh, wait ... wrong crowd ...

131 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:04:14pm

re: #128 DistantThunder

Drudge has the supremes blocking the sale of Chrysler.
Little Kink in the O-Plan.

He didn't win?!

132 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:04:22pm

re: #112 DistantThunder

North Korea probably doesn't want them anywhere near a real labor camp, because then they would report on in when they are released.

Unless they have a negotiated release, their reporting days and lives are over.

133 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:04:32pm

re: #100 3 wood

High unemployment and inflation. 10 year treasury rates have increased 52% in 3 months.

Yep, Jimmy Carter all over again.

I'm waiting for another Malaise speech.

Inflation is needed to lower the debt ratio.
And interest rates are still very low by any historical measure.
And high unemployment will tend to keep the rates in check.
At least that's the plan that economists have recommended, isn't it?

134 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:04:50pm

re: #127 ArchangelMichael

More US taxpayer funded handouts and a pass to keep making nucrear tipped barristic missires.

He wants a UAW membership & a piece of GM.

135 Outrider  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:05:19pm

Wonder when it will sink in these peoples brain pans not every country in the world has rights and freedoms like the USA and many of these other countries do not like foreigners ..... or their own people, digging into "inconvenient truths" and exposing facts that particular government may not want exposed.

136 Rexatosis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:05:36pm

North Korea has a history of kidnapping foreign women (Japanese and South Korean) for non-political purposes (ie: carnal). One cannot say what the hell NK is going to do. The place is essentially a bizarro land (see that Czech documentary of 10 or so years ago with the traffic cop directing traffic in the capitol without any traffic to direct).

137 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:05:44pm

re: #130 JacksonTn

Obama's gonna change it ...

WTF!?! ... Is Michelle pregnant?

138 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:05:49pm

From Team America: World Police:

"Kim Jong Il:[from animated storyboards] And take the girl to my bedroom.
Kim Jong Il: [as Koreans start releasing Sarah] No, not that one! The pretty one!'
Sarah: Bitch
Sarah: [Calling after Kim Jong Il, Korean guards and Lisa] That's right, take the pretty one instead of the one who has something to offer!"

139 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:05:51pm

re: #116 debutaunt

Inflation is driven more by the velocity of money than the absolute amount of money. Right now the velocity is way down according to Thomson. Of course with all the dollars the Fed is pumping in, if it picks up very much we could have a problem on our hands. The only place you could hide would be in commodities.

140 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:06:05pm

re: #110 Athens Runaway

Ooooo, Hawns Brix! You're breaking my balls, Hawns Brix!

Youtube Video
141 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:06:13pm

Maybe now they will legalize marijuana to mellow the angry hordes.

142 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:06:46pm

re: #139 Shr_Nfr

Inflation is driven more by the velocity of money than the absolute amount of money. Right now the velocity is way down according to Thomson. Of course with all the dollars the Fed is pumping in, if it picks up very much we could have a problem on our hands. The only place you could hide would be in commodities.

Golden advice.

143 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:06:59pm

re: #141 DistantThunder

Maybe now they will legalize marijuana to mellow the angry hordes.

And tax the shit out of it.

144 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:07:01pm

re: #141 DistantThunder

Maybe now they will legalize marijuana to mellow the angry hordes.

Legalize? Hell, they're gonna make it mandatory at the rate they're going.

/

145 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:07:24pm

re: #137 pre-Boomer Marine brat

WTF!?! ... Is Michelle pregnant?

PBMB ... I am thinking there may have been some "changing" to do after he got his first Intel briefing ... DEPENDS! ....

146 bcgirl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:07:50pm

re: #121 Right Brain

This is getting better by the hour, throughout the EU the Right is getting voted into office-even the NY State Senate went Republican today, who would have thunk it--and now we have N. Korea, the worst place on earth running amuck and President Detached hasn't said or done a thing. Obama's got to the end of the summer and then he's toast.


this is the hopenchange i am lookng for lameduckbefore the first 300 days

147 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:07:55pm

re: #112 DistantThunder

North Korea probably doesn't want them anywhere near a real labor camp, because then they would report on in when they are released.

I agree.

148 FamHistoryGuy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:08:06pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

general vicinity.

149 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:08:20pm

re: #90 3 wood

This is like Carter all over again.

Just get used to it folks, this is only the beginning.

Is it just me, or are our usual Obama worshipers/apologists amazingly absent on this thread?

Still on the least thread lecturing everyone on how crazy preacher control is OUR responsibility. Not theirs. Ours.

150 Outrider  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:08:50pm

re: #143 Spare O'Lake

And tax the shit out of it.

If the legalization and sale of marijuana is handled like tobacco, then no one will be able to afford the stuff.

151 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:09:56pm

re: #133 Spare O'Lake

Inflation is needed to lower the debt ratio.
And interest rates are still very low by any historical measure.
And high unemployment will tend to keep the rates in check.
At least that's the plan that economists have recommended, isn't it?

What could possible go wrong?

/major sarc, as if it were really needed

152 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:10:57pm

re: #147 Idle Drifter

I agree.

I doubt the Norks care if two reporters find out the truth about life on the inside. They know that they'll always have their apologists. It's ethnocentric to insist on democracy and humanity.

153 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:11:21pm

PIFW

154 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:11:48pm

re: #147 Idle Drifter

I agree.

if they are released.

Their silence will be part of any bargain.

155 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:11:58pm

GOP takes control of NY state Senate - Flying Pig?
[url][Link: www.nypost.com...]

156 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:12:32pm

I do believe that our president is finding out that there is more to the job than spewing high sounding hyperbole & preening for the camera.
He won't admit it, but I'll bet that he has gained some respect for Bush.

157 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:12:54pm

re: #145 JacksonTn

PBMB ... I am thinking there may have been some "changing" to do after he got his first Intel briefing ... DEPENDS! ....

(Hypothetically) Why would I not be surprised if I learned that he discounted at least half of what he was told in that first briefing?

158 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:12:59pm

Yoinks! I just now noticed zombie's photo report on a recent Prop8 protest. (In case buzzsawmonkey or zombie happen to be reading this thread.)

Incidentally, if you scroll down to the photo of the sexy-but-surly young woman who has STRIPPED OF HUMAN RIGHTS stenciled in black on her milky-white torso -- my first thought on seeing that image was, "Wow, that guy just behind her in the Hawaiian shirt is sooper cute!" And my second thought was "Oh, but wait -- he's taking part in a totally ass-headed political demonstration, which means he's probably stupid."

159 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:14:18pm

Fiat Will ‘Never’ Walk Away From Chrysler, CEO Says

Fiat SpA will “never” walk away from its deal with Chrysler LLC, Fiat Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne said in an interview.

“We should just be patient and let the system work,” Marchionne said by telephone today moments after Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg ordered a delay of Chrysler’s planned sale to the Italian carmaker while the U.S. Supreme Court considers a request for a longer postponement that might scuttle the deal.

And why not, they're getting Chrysler for FREE. Hey avanti, you paying attention? So pay no attention to the fear mongers who are claiming that this deal has to be done by the 15th or Chrysler will be liquidated and the U.S. economy will collapse.

/the Supreme Court should take this case and take a good long look at the deal and sort through it to get it legally right, there's a lot of legal precedents and rights being trampled by the stampeding Obamatron car task force

160 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:14:19pm

re: #154 Eowyn2

if they are released.

Their silence will be part of any bargain.

Hmmm, the American woman released from Iranian custody isn't saying anything.

161 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:14:32pm

re: #136 Rexatosis

North Korea has a history of kidnapping foreign women (Japanese and South Korean) for non-political purposes (ie: carnal). One cannot say what the hell NK is going to do. The place is essentially a bizarro land (see that Czech documentary of 10 or so years ago with the traffic cop directing traffic in the capitol without any traffic to direct).

but the day he isnt there to direct traffic, there will be a huge traffic jam. just you wait and see.

/

162 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:15:23pm
163 pianobuff  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:17:49pm

In the daily presser Gibbs was asked if the Obama administration views any linkage between the two journalists and the overarching nuclear issues.

Gibbs response? We're not looking at it that way.

164 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:18:03pm

re: #98 Shr_Nfr

And Jesse Jackson.

165 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:18:10pm

re: #159 Killian Bundy

Fiat Will ‘Never’ Walk Away From Chrysler, CEO Says

See, here's the question. They won't give it up, but will they let Chrysler down? Are they gonna run around?

Whatever the answer, the American people will to be made to cry, and 44 will tell lies and hurt us.

You've been FiatRoll'd.

166 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:18:26pm

Hmmm, Bill Richardson or Al Gore....Which overweight has-been will the Norks accept as a go-between?

167 kham  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:18:48pm

One would think that an incident like this would focused the world’s attention on the abject brutality of North Korean labor camps and make us realize this how frivolous the GITMO ‘torture’ debate is, but of course we all know the reality.

168 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:19:57pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

Hmmm, Bill Richardson or Al Gore....Which overweight has-been will the Norks accept as a go-between drop into the shark tank with Hans Brix?

/fixed

169 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:20:17pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

Hmmm, Bill Richardson or Al Gore....Which overweight has-been will the Norks accept as a go-between?

If they saw Gore's movie ,they will not take him all that serious.

170 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:20:55pm

re: #123 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*salute* to your father-in-law
/for being there ... not for gripping, though I probably would have too

I got him a USS Maddox hat with Korea Vet pin for fathers day a while back. He wears it all the time.

I had to find out about the Maddox, he just will tell me sea stories.

171 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:21:29pm

INCREDIBLE!
AT&T contracts with Yahooey! for e-mail service to its Internet subscribers. I just got a message saying:

A temporary problem in our network has part of AT&T Yahoo! Mail unavailable, so you're briefly without service ... The problem is on our end – so there's no need for you to do a thing. We appreciate your patience and understanding.

Yahooey's almost NEVER admits to anything being their fault!

/Chicken Little was right ... the sky must be falling

172 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:21:30pm

re: #152 Athens Runaway

The journalists are going to be roughed up a little to get the message across that North Korea means business to gain concessions for their release. The appologists are no better than noise makers.

173 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:21:44pm

re: #156 opnion

I do believe that our president is finding out that there is more to the job than spewing high sounding hyperbole & preening for the camera.
He won't admit it, but I'll bet that he has gained some respect for Bush.

re: #157 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(Hypothetically) Why would I not be surprised if I learned that he discounted at least half of what he was told in that first briefing?

I think both of you are forgetting that the zero doesn't really like or appreciate the US. He has no respect for US sovereingty. He's going to do what he thinks will make him appear as worthy to be the ruler of the world.

174 MJ  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:22:20pm

Has the Obama State Department blamed Israeli settlements for this yet?

175 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:22:31pm

re: #167 kham

One would think that an incident like this would focused the world’s attention on the abject brutality of North Korean labor camps and make us realize this how frivolous the GITMO ‘torture’ debate is, but of course we all know the reality.


No ,no,no water boarding & panties on the head are barbaric.
Working a political prisoner to death is just a life style.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:22:42pm

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody seen Albusteve lately?

177 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:22:49pm

re: #170 jcm

I got him a USS Maddox hat with Korea Vet pin for fathers day a while back. He wears it all the time.

I had to find out about the Maddox, he just will tell me sea stories.

Sea stories?
What's that?

/*ducking*

178 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:23:26pm

re: #70 Son of the Black Dog

How many carrier battle groups do we have anymore?
Think we're getting spread a little thin?

They are Carrier Strike Groups now, 11

179 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:23:44pm

re: #169 opnion

If they saw Gore's movie ,they will not take him all that serious.

Rumors say Richardson will not make it to the end of his term. THe scandal that caused him to pass on the Commerce Dept. appointment may take him down.

180 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:24:09pm

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not since Saturday.

181 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:25:18pm

Army Mechanic's Garage Tinkering Yields 18-Foot Mecha Exoskeleton

Owens, 31, began building an 18-foot-tall, one-ton prototype at his home in Wasilla, Alaska, in 2004. Working without blueprints, he first built a full-scale model out of wood. Moving on to steel, he had to devise a hydraulics system that would provide precisely the right leverage and range of movement. He settled on a complex network of cables and hydraulic cylinders that can make the mecha raise its arms, bend its knees, and even do a sit-up.

182 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:25:28pm

re: #177 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sea stories?
What's that?

/*ducking*

Sea stories, just sailor talk for telling lies.

Also known as No Shitters.

183 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:25:31pm

re: #173 Soona'

I think both of you are forgetting that the zero doesn't really like or appreciate the US. He has no respect for US sovereingty. He's going to do what he thinks will make him appear as worthy to be the ruler of the world.

Sadly, I do agree with you. Obama is bitter & he blames the U.S.
His wife is more obvious , but Barry seems very passive, aggresive to me.

184 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:26:17pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

Rumors say Richardson will not make it to the end of his term. THe scandal that caused him to pass on the Commerce Dept. appointment may take him down.

I have heard that.

185 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:26:18pm

re: #177 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sea stories?
What's that?

/*ducking*

What happens in the Goat Locker stays in the Goat Locker?

I've heard about you Navy types.

/;-P

186 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:27:15pm

re: #185 jcm

What happens in the Goat Locker stays in the Goat Locker?

I've heard about you Navy types.

/;-P

Ok, what have you heard? Hmmmmm?

Can't be any worse than what happens Acey-Deucy. ;)

187 MJ  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:27:20pm

By the way, some of the Reporters who cover the State Department ( and who are continual cheerleaders for Islamic terrorism ) are now suggesting that these two folks might be guilty, because, you know, when do totalitarian governments ever lie?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MR. KELLY: Well, all I’ve seen is that they’ve committed an unspecified grave crime against North Korea and that they didn’t follow border procedures.


QUESTION: But you don’t have a position on whether they are innocent or guilty of the charge that – however harsh it may be, do you have any indication that they were not guilty of doing what they were accused of?

[Link: www.state.gov...]

188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:27:30pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

That would be sad.
/

189 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:27:36pm

re: #169 opnion

If they saw Gore's movie ,they will not take him all that serious.

Thats the ploy! Gore is going over there and in the guise of showing Kim PORN Gore will show him Inconvenient Truth

KIM will SURRENDER in a heartbeat!

190 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:27:41pm

re: #173 Soona'

I think both of you are forgetting that the zero doesn't really like or appreciate the US. He has no respect for US sovereingty. He's going to do what he thinks will make him appear as worthy to be the ruler of the world.

That's precisely why I said what I did, wondering about the likelihood that he (arrogantly) discounted the first Intel briefing/s he received. He would most likely have thought it was overblown propaganda, and that any root causes were attributable to failings inherent in the American "System".

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:29:13pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

Thats the ploy! Gore is going over there and in the guise of showing Kim PORN Gore will show him Inconvenient Truth

KIM will SURRENDER in a heartbeat!

Nah, li'l Kim will just laugh himself to death after being subjected to the Goracle.

192 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:29:23pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

Thats the ploy! Gore is going over there and in the guise of showing Kim PORN Gore will show him Inconvenient Truth

KIM will SURRENDER in a heartbeat!

Diabolically brilliant!

193 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:29:24pm

re: #182 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sea stories, just sailor talk for telling lies.

Also known as No Shitters.

(heh ... jcm knows that ... I was baiting him)

194 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:30:21pm

re: #193 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(heh ... jcm knows that ... I was baiting him)

Then don't mind me while you reel him in. ;)

195 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:30:48pm

re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That would be sad.
/

The sad part is that the Lieutenant Governor then gets to run as an incumbent, and makes it less likely we could elect a Republican.

196 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:31:32pm

re: #185 jcm

What happens in the Goat Locker stays in the Goat Locker?

I've heard about you Navy types.

/;-P

COAT locker!
C as in Charlie!

/whotthehell's the academic requirement for joinin' th' Air Farce?!?!

197 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:31:46pm

re: #190 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's precisely why I said what I did, wondering about the likelihood that he (arrogantly) discounted the first Intel briefing/s he received. He would most likely have thought it was overblown propaganda, and that any root causes were attributable to failings inherent in the American "System".

I stand corrected. But this administration is all about the zero and nothing else.

198 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:32:02pm

re: #181 Racer X

Army Mechanic's Garage Tinkering Yields 18-Foot Mecha Exoskeleton

Owens, 31, began building an 18-foot-tall, one-ton prototype at his home in Wasilla, Alaska, in 2004. Working without blueprints, he first built a full-scale model out of wood. Moving on to steel, he had to devise a hydraulics system that would provide precisely the right leverage and range of movement. He settled on a complex network of cables and hydraulic cylinders that can make the mecha raise its arms, bend its knees, and even do a sit-up.

It's the Mecha-Palin!

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:32:23pm

re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then don't mind me while you reel him in. ;)

Doin' it.
Just set th' hook.

:D

200 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:34:11pm

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have not.

201 mfarmer1  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:34:18pm

This is just more of North Korea posturing as Kim Jong Il gets gets closer to handing over the reigns to his 26 year old son.

These women will not do twelve years, probably closer to 12 months or even 12 days depending upon what bone we toss NK through the backdoor via China.

I doubt they're being treated harshly either at this point. This is all part of the show unfolding there now.

At least I hope I'm right here. It doesn't do any good for NK to hang on to these women long term.

202 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:34:53pm

TTFN. Got to get ready and go to work.

203 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:34:57pm

Guess meat back on the menu

2 accused of killing man, cooking body
Jun. 8, 2009 01:06 PM

WRENTHAM, Mass. - Prosecutors say two Massachusetts men killed a drug dealer to clear a debt, then dismembered his body and cooked the remains.

Forty-seven-year-old Daniel Bradley of Westwood and 48-year-old Paul Moccia of Dedham pleaded not guilty Monday to murder in the death of 37-year-old Angel Antonio Ramirez of Framingham.

204 Perplexed  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:35:36pm

Those women will probably die in the prison camp. If they survive, then they will never be the same.

205 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:36:15pm

re: #196 pre-Boomer Marine brat

COAT locker!
C as in Charlie!

/whotthehell's the academic requirement for joinin' th' Air Farce?!?!

The way it was 'splained to me, a navy ship was like a prison with the possibility of drowning. That if I went with what wing wiper told me there was girls just off base.

206 Perplexed  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:36:17pm

re: #203 FurryOldGuyJeans

Guess meat back on the menu

2 accused of killing man, cooking body
Jun. 8, 2009 01:06 PM

Long pig?

207 Summersong  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:36:51pm

Their families must be terrified for them.

Prayers sent up for their quick release.

208 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:36:54pm
209 hazzyday  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:37:41pm

Kim is wronely.

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:37:48pm

Mmmmmm, crunchy

Dog plays fetch with live grenade in Germany
Jun. 8, 2009 11:45 AM
Associated Press

BERLIN - A dog playing fetch in Germany has found and delivered to its owner a U.S. hand grenade from World War II.

Police in the western town of Erkrath said Monday they were called by the dog's 40-year-old owner who stopped walking her pooch when she recognized the "rusty" object it was carrying was a weapon.

211 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:38:01pm

re: #181 Racer X

Army Mechanic's Garage Tinkering Yields 18-Foot Mecha Exoskeleton

Owens, 31, began building an 18-foot-tall, one-ton prototype at his home in Wasilla, Alaska, in 2004. Working without blueprints, he first built a full-scale model out of wood. Moving on to steel, he had to devise a hydraulics system that would provide precisely the right leverage and range of movement. He settled on a complex network of cables and hydraulic cylinders that can make the mecha raise its arms, bend its knees, and even do a sit-up.

Just don't hook it up to Skynet, okay?

212 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:43:12pm

re: #211 jcm

Just don't hook it up to Skynet, okay?

I think you pissed everybody off.

213 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:43:51pm

Al Gore

I implore you to put aside you enormous ego and self inflated importance and for this one time in your life do the right thing. Get these ladies out of that hell hole that is North Korea with all the guile you have used these past 8 years bambooziling the world into your Global Warming Climate Change Horse Hockey Clap Trap.

Regards,
SATTV4U2

214 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:44:43pm

Failed assault at a Gaza crossing used horses laden with explosives.

From the Jerusalem Post.

I forget - is that a credible source of information? Honest question, I thought somebody mentioned one "jerusalem" source as not being credible Is this it?

215 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:44:48pm

re: #212 VegasRick

I think you pissed everybody off.

Everyone works for Cyberdyne Systems here?

Uh, oh......

216 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:45:46pm

re: #215 jcm

Everyone works for Cyberdyne Systems here?

Uh, oh......

They all left to go turn you in! RUN!

217 silvergirl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:47:48pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

A pox upon the house of Kim Il Jong...

Send in Dorothy.
A house upon the pox of Kim Il Jong.
Since he's already a pox.

218 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:47:54pm
219 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:48:58pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

Where is everybody?

Why are you looking at me like that?

220 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:49:18pm
221 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:49:41pm

re: #219 VegasRick

Why are you looking at me like that?

I can't look at you any other way! These are the only eyes I have!

222 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:50:03pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

Where is everybody?

Waiting for John Connor.

223 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:50:26pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

Where is everybody?

Lurking.
Waiting for you to show up.

224 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:50:29pm
225 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:50:31pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

Where is everybody?

They're all at the super-secret forum.

Didn't anyone give you the URL?

226 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:51:16pm
227 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:51:41pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

I can't look at you any other way! These are the only eyes I have!

10 lashes for that response!
/bad pun

228 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:51:59pm

re: #227 VegasRick

10 lashes for that response!
/bad pun

pluck you

229 poteen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:52:46pm

re: #206 Perplexed

/ long pig indeed. "Tis better to be in the warm belly of a friend than in the cold ground."

// did a college essay on cannibalism yrs. ago.//

230 silvergirl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:53:04pm

re: #227 VegasRick

10 lashes for that response!
/bad pun

Eye puns.

I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to
be an optical Aleutian.

231 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:53:31pm
232 Mithrax  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:54:09pm

re: #230 silvergirl

Eye puns.

I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to
be an optical Aleutian.

Years ago, my father was on a plane and he started chatting with his neighbour. She made glass eyes.

At the end of the flight my father said to her "Keep an eye out for me".

233 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:54:15pm

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

Inuit!

What did Juneau and when did Juneau it?

234 AFVetWife  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:54:29pm

I worry that this, plus the missile tests, could be a "tipping point." My husband was too young for WWII and Korea, served in Vietnam, but now could be another Korean War. I pray it does not become so. Could this be the "manufactured crisis" Joe Biden spoke about? I pray for these women's safety and release.

235 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:54:39pm

re: #230 silvergirl

Eye puns.

I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to
be an optical Aleutian.

That's good!
What time does Kim Jong go to the dentist?

236 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:54:53pm

re: #181 Racer X

Army Mechanic's Garage Tinkering Yields 18-Foot Mecha Exoskeleton

Owens, 31, began building an 18-foot-tall, one-ton prototype at his home in Wasilla, Alaska, in 2004. Working without blueprints, he first built a full-scale model out of wood. Moving on to steel, he had to devise a hydraulics system that would provide precisely the right leverage and range of movement. He settled on a complex network of cables and hydraulic cylinders that can make the mecha raise its arms, bend its knees, and even do a sit-up.

You wouldn't believe how many fanboys think mecha is the end all, beat all weapon/construction system. Of course the images inside their heads are something straight out of a Japanese anime. All fantastic imagery with no basis in reality. Don't get me wrong, I think any military/construction/nurse mechsuit are not only possible but only a few years to a decades away of being quite common. They will be more a kin to that found in Starship Troopers, the book not those stupid movies, than those fantastic 100 ft mechs of the fantasy. Something that's more practical and doesn't defy the laws of physics or Murphy's laws of war.

237 silvergirl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:55:04pm

re: #229 poteen

/ long pig indeed. "Tis better to be in the warm belly of a friend than in the cold ground."

// did a college essay on cannibalism yrs. ago.//

I'll take the cold ground.

238 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:55:04pm
239 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:55:15pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

Where is everybody?

Every body is quiet because this is a grave situation.

240 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:55:50pm

re: #214 reine.de.tout

Failed assault at a Gaza crossing used horses laden with explosives.

From the Jerusalem Post.

I forget - is that a credible source of information? Honest question, I thought somebody mentioned one "jerusalem" source as not being credible Is this it?

Jerusalem Post is a legit and highly respected Israeli news source. However the "horse swarm" story occurred early this morning.

241 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:56:13pm

re: #233 Bloodnok

What did Juneau and when did Juneau it?

Idaho, but Alaska.

242 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:57:17pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

I can Ketchikan, if someone throws gently.

As long as you don't get an Attu tude.

243 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:58:26pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

Where is everybody?

We heard you coming so we all split, but quick.

244 mrclark  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:58:31pm

re: #9 VegasRick

It's pretty damn big for the gals. I hope they stay safe.

I hope they stay safe too and get released to US custody. But if we had to make a poll out of this, just who would we have take responsibility for them being caught sneaking into an unfriendly hostile country?
A. Themselves
B. Al Gore
C. Kim Jung IL (for making it such a hostile country)
D. BOOSH!

Feel free to add your own names to the list, or post your answer...

245 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:58:34pm

re: #241 wrenchwench

Idaho, but Alaska.

Ask Madonna, because as she likes to say "Iditarod".

246 zelnaga  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:58:49pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama's reaction to this will be judged by the rest of the world. I expect taking Americans as hostages/prisoners will become fashionable again.

Well, there were the pirates that took the United States Merchant Marine captain hostage.

That said, I don't believe N. Korea has very much respect for borders. Certainly, they didn't respect them when they kidnapped Shin Sang-ok and his ex-wife from Hong Kong to make films for them.

247 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:58:54pm

re: #242 LGoPs

As long as you don't get an Attu tude.

Aleutian his tie, and he won't be like that.

248 Clutch  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:59:58pm

"Aggression unchecked is aggression unleashed."

(from the print ad for SECRET TREATIES by Blue Oyster Cult. The band was dressed up as WWII American airmen at a bombing briefing...)

249 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:00:00pm

re: #247 wrenchwench

Aleutian his tie, and he won't be like that.

I bowtie your greatness.

250 AFVetWife  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:00:06pm

It looks like this is a good time to go "OT." I've been away from this site for a few days - very busy. Went to a "fly in" on Saturday. A man my husband knows has a private plane and invites his so-inclined friends (and others) to a fly in event, with a nice barbecue. Excellent weather, and all safe. Sunday, we planted at least 500 flowers in pots and in the ground. My back and knees are still screaming to me! Hope all fellow lizards had a good weekend!

251 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:00:18pm
252 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:00:40pm

re: #247 wrenchwench

Aleutian his tie, and he won't be like that.

That would be a Kodiak moment.

253 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:01:14pm

re: #249 VegasRick

I bowtie your greatness.

I cravat kind of humor.

254 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:01:29pm

re: #215 jcm

Everyone works for Cyberdyne Systems here?

Uh, oh......

Peel away the human skin you'll find lizard skin. Peel away the lizard skin you'll find a harden combat chassis. SCIENCE!

255 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:01:57pm

re: #253 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I cravat kind of humor.

That sounds like a Monty Piton crack.......

256 jvic  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:02:14pm

re: #65 Wendya

The Current TV site does not mention the situation. (Maybe it can be dug out somewhere, but it's certainly not prominent.) Neither does Gore's site.

There is absolutely no reason not to post something along the lines of "Our thoughts are with our colleagues Laura and Euna. We hope for their prompt safe return. Prudence dictates that we withhold further comment."

Appalling. Tenfold appalling given Gore's moral pretentiousness.

257 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:02:20pm

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're doing Alaska...

A roar, a roar for Nora
Nora Anders in the night
For she has seen Aurora
Borealis burning bright
A furore for our Nora!
And applaud Aurora seen
Oh where, oh where, oh where
Has our Borealis been?

--Walt Kelly

Is this the same Nora who was freezing on the trolley?

258 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:02:35pm

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

Walt Kelly was the best. Thanks.

259 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:02:43pm
260 mrclark  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:03:29pm

NEWSFLASH:

I just heard the 2 women reporters were in NK on the pretext of working on a story about the sex trade. Someone inform me.... There is an active sex trade for malnourished women in NK?

261 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:03:31pm

Hey Help Y'all - i'm using Windows Vista and am using Web Mail for my e-mails. Just went to Web Mail and my ENTIRE E-mail ADDRESS BOOK is GONE! Says I have no entries in the addy book.
Until now I've had at least 250 e-mail addy's and they are all gone!

262 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:03:31pm
263 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:03:54pm

re: #240 Alouette

Jerusalem Post is a legit and highly respected Israeli news source. However the "horse swarm" story occurred early this morning.

Thanks. I've been out and about.
I just started thinking about somebody on one of the threads yesterday or day before who seemed to be arguing some sort of equivalence.

264 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:05:09pm

re: #260 mrclark

NEWSFLASH:

I just heard the 2 women reporters were in NK on the pretext of working on a story about the sex trade. Someone inform me.... There is an active sex trade for malnourished women in NK?

The clients are in China.

265 sngnsgt  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:05:22pm

re: #261 realwest

Recycle bin? System restore?

266 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:05:32pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

There are so few people nowadays who simply love the sound of words.

For the record I loved the "Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish" that you posted recently.

267 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:05:56pm

re: #261 realwest

Hey Help Y'all - i'm using Windows Vista and am using Web Mail for my e-mails. Just went to Web Mail and my ENTIRE E-mail ADDRESS BOOK is GONE! Says I have no entries in the addy book.
Until now I've had at least 250 e-mail addy's and they are all gone!

Try going back to a restore point when you had a addy book.

268 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:05:58pm

re: #261 realwest

Hey Help Y'all - i'm using Windows Vista and am using Web Mail for my e-mails. Just went to Web Mail and my ENTIRE E-mail ADDRESS BOOK is GONE! Says I have no entries in the addy book.
Until now I've had at least 250 e-mail addy's and they are all gone!

Stay calm.

Open up your address book. There should be a block that says, "Show names from the: and a blank box. See if you have more then one "list" in there. Check on both lists - your addresses might be in one and not the other.

If that doesn't work, I'm fresh out of ideas.

269 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:06:21pm

Robocop vs Terminator.

Youtube Video
270 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:06:37pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

There are so few people nowadays who simply love the sound of words.

Arose by any other name will still get a rise out of you?

271 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:07:26pm

re: #270 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Arose by any other name will still get a rise out of you?

They do have their prose and cons.

272 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:07:34pm

re: #265 sngnsgt I can receive and send e-mails, just no addy book and it's not in my recycle bin and I'd rather not do a system restore if I can help it.
I just can't imagine where it's gone! I've called earthlink and am on hold - naturally!

273 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:07:55pm

re: #260 mrclark

NEWSFLASH:

I just heard the 2 women reporters were in NK on the pretext of working on a story about the sex trade. Someone inform me.... There is an active sex trade for malnourished women in NK?

No, but selling the woman to China and other locals for the sex trade is a lucrative business for the NorK's that are in charge

274 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:09:01pm
275 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:09:57pm

re: #271 Bloodnok

They do have their prose and cons.

*rimshot*

276 AFVetWife  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:10:12pm

Time to log out - need to check in with a friend (since we were about three years old) who's getting married on 7/4. Hope to see you all soon!

277 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:11:11pm

re: #271 Bloodnok

They do have their prose and cons.

I have always been anti-pasto and pro-valone.

278 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:11:39pm

re: #272 realwest

I can receive and send e-mails, just no addy book and it's not in my recycle bin and I'd rather not do a system restore if I can help it.
I just can't imagine where it's gone! I've called earthlink and am on hold - naturally!

So the address book lives at your earthlink webmail site?
(not inside Windows on your machine?)

279 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:11:57pm

re: #268 reine.de.tout
Thanks I only have one list and there are no, NO names or addy's!

280 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:12:59pm

re: #271 Bloodnok

They do have their prose and cons.

Haiku you say that?

281 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:13:19pm

re: #277 VegasRick

I have always been anti-pasto and pro-valone.

That's Sicily I can't stand it!

282 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:13:43pm

re: #274 Iron Fist
Thanks I called the Cavalry and they said they are sending a Col. George Custer and the 7th Cavalry Regiment to my rescue!

283 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:14:51pm

re: #282 realwest

Thanks I called the Cavalry and they said they are sending a Col. George Custer and the 7th Cavalry Regiment to my rescue!

Thanks for Sheridan with us.

/Custer's boss in the Dakotas

284 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:14:56pm

re: #278 pre-Boomer Marine brat No my addy book - as is true of all my e-mail is in something called "Web Mail" because earthlink's e-mail system "Total Access" doesn't support Vista.

285 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:15:01pm
286 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:15:23pm

re: #281 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's Sicily I can't stand it!

I was just Roman around my favs and found it!

287 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:15:26pm

re: #279 realwest

there are some "recovery" tools around -- the problem, though, is with Microsoft's email programs, there's a tendency to get a "corrupted" database, then you can't access it...(it's a huge problem, imo)...(must proceed with extreme caution...)

288 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:16:24pm

re: #274 Iron Fist
Seriously bro' - who the hell do I call? I've called earthlink and they said that they are doing maintenance on the system but I've been able to receive and reply to e-mails, just can't get to my addy book!

289 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:17:05pm

re: #283 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks for Sheridan with us.

/Custer's boss in the Dakotas

With that kind of help, if I was a benteen man, I'd bet that realwest's address book gets wiped out.
/

290 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:17:35pm

re: #284 realwest

No my addy book - as is true of all my e-mail is in something called "Web Mail" because earthlink's e-mail system "Total Access" doesn't support Vista.

Let me ask it this way -- do you access (get to, open) that address book by using your Web browser?

291 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:17:51pm

re: #287 J.S.
Thanks J.S., but this isn't a microsoft e-mail system, it's an Earthlink system called Web Mail where all my e-mails incoming and sent, and my addy book are kept on the internet!

292 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:19:00pm

re: #290 pre-Boomer Marine brat Yes, IE 7. I know, I know but it's always worked for me before - don't know why it hasn't worked NOW.

293 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:19:35pm

re: #289 LGoPs

With that kind of help, if I was a benteen man, I'd bet that realwest's address book gets wiped out.
/

I was merely trying to Stuart some trouble in here.

294 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:19:51pm
I notice we aren’t hearing a lot of talk about “unclenching fists” these days.

Ever since the reports of the Norks' latest nuclear test, I'm still trying to unclench something else.

295 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:20:29pm

re: #291 realwest

If your email is truly a "web based" system, then the problem may lie with that "Web Mail" server on their end...not with your machine...(might have to wait until the maintanence on their end has finished?)

296 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:21:19pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was merely trying to Stuart some trouble in here.

I thought you were just Stonewall-ing

297 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:21:27pm

re: #291 realwest

Just a drive by post. Call earthlink. They found a bunch of my e-mails that had disappeared last summer. Let the tech take over your computer if need be. I know it's a pain the the rear but worth a shot.

298 realwest  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:22:01pm

Ah, never mind y'all - just went to add my own name and e-mail addy and voila - address book is back! YEA!
Damned Earthlink.
Damned Microsoft Vista.
Damned Internet.
Damned computers.

Thank you all for you offers or suggestions!
Gotta go eat dinner now, hope to see you all down the road.

299 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:22:03pm

re: #296 Gearhead

I thought you were just Stonewall-ing

What, you think you're back in the Hood....?

300 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:22:06pm

re: #292 realwest

Yes, IE 7. I know, I know but it's always worked for me before - don't know why it hasn't worked NOW.

Yeah. I now understand.
IIRC, you're in touch with earthlink.
If anyone can fix it, they are the horse's mouth.

/or other part of equine anatomy, should they be unsuccessful

301 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:22:31pm

re: #297 Pvt Bin Jammin

Just a drive by post. Call earthlink. They found a bunch of my e-mails that had disappeared last summer. Let the tech take over your computer if need be. I know it's a pain the the rear but worth a shot.

Thats WHY it's a pain in the rear! You let them SHOOT you there !

302 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:22:54pm

re: #298 realwest

Good news! Enjoy your dinner.

303 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:23:05pm

re: #299 LGoPs

What, you think you're back in the Hood....?

Patton yourself on the back for that one?

304 latingent  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:23:22pm

I`ll Grant some Lee way on this thread, after all it is Early and Early was late.

305 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:23:40pm

re: #301 sattv4u2

Thats WHY it's a pain in the rear! You let them SHOOT you there !

LOL

306 Mithrax  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:23:59pm

You guys are going the full Monty with these puns tonight :P

307 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:24:06pm

re: #304 latingent

I`ll Grant some Lee way on this thread, after all it is Early and Early was late.

And there was much Jubal...ation.

308 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:24:09pm

re: #304 latingent

I`ll Grant some Lee way on this thread, after all it is Early and Early was late.


I ha d a girlfriend that was late once,, scared the bejeebuz outta us !

309 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:24:25pm
310 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:24:39pm
311 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:24:40pm

re: #299 LGoPs

What, you think you're back in the Hood....?

If I'm not in the Hood, then why to I see Hookers?

312 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:25:22pm

re: #299 LGoPs

What, you think you're back in the Hood....?

Now we're seein' some Jubal-ation, and Early in the thread too!

/we have a Longstreet ahead of us, I'll Grant you that

313 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:25:44pm

re: #311 Gearhead

If I'm not in the Hood, then why to I see Hookers?

I dunno big boy. Come here often?

314 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:26:00pm

re: #311 Gearhead

If I'm not in the Hood, then why to I see Hookers?

You live on a golfcourse? Cool!

315 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:26:09pm

re: #304 latingent

I`ll Grant some Lee way on this thread, after all it is Early and Early was late.

You weren't just being Civil War you?

316 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:26:37pm

re: #314 VegasRick

You live on a golfcourse? Cool!

I'm asking Charles to slice that comment

317 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:27:27pm

(allright, who's gonna be the first to use General Winfield Scott Hancock?)

318 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:27:40pm

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

This is one area of General knowledge I'm deficient in, but I'll try and Meade you halfway.

Just don't lose sight of the Forrest for the trees.

319 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:27:47pm

re: #316 sattv4u2

I'm asking Charles to slice that comment

Must drive you crazy...

320 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:28:09pm

re: #317 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(allright, who's gonna be the first to use General Winfield Scott Hancock?)

beats the hell out of being the second!

321 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:28:27pm

re: #319 HoosierHoops

Must drive you crazy...

putt a lid on it, will ya

322 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:28:47pm

re: #317 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(allright, who's gonna be the first to use General Winfield Scott Hancock?)

Not me, I'm stuck on how to fit Bradley into a sentence.

323 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:29:09pm

re: #320 sattv4u2

beats the hell out of being the second!

heh
*rolls eyes*

324 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:29:24pm

re: #317 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(allright, who's gonna be the first to use General Winfield Scott Hancock?)

ed Zachary. Scott.

325 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:29:25pm

re: #322 screaming_eagle

Not me, I'm stuck on how to fit Bradley into a sentence.

I think you just DID!

326 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:29:49pm

re: #316 sattv4u2

I'm asking Charles to slice that comment

You drive me crazy with those lyes!

327 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:30:17pm

re: #326 VegasRick

You drive me crazy with those lyes!

can't you chip in with a better pun?

328 yochanan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:30:20pm

so much for the liberal rant we are all the same

did not work so well in north korea did it?

329 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:30:40pm

re: #317 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(allright, who's gonna be the first to use General Winfield Scott Hancock?)

re: #322 screaming_eagle

Not me, I'm stuck on how to fit Bradley into a sentence.

I'll be Patton the winners on the back.

330 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:30:43pm

re: #322 screaming_eagle

Not me, I'm stuck on how to fit Bradley into a sentence.

nOmar, please.

331 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:31:54pm

re: #329 Gearhead

I'll be Patton the winners on the back.

Sherman, just sit there on th' sidelines.

332 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:32:09pm

re: #327 sattv4u2

can't you chip in with a better pun?

Your's aren't a hole lot better!

333 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:32:40pm

re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sherman, just sit there on th' sidelines.

Actually, I'm going to run out for some Doenitz.

334 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:32:56pm

re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sherman, just sit there on th' sidelines.

I'm just Chaffee 'in to get in here

335 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:33:06pm

re: #320 sattv4u2

beats the hell out of being the second!

And is a Slocum anyway.

336 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:33:24pm

re: #332 VegasRick

Your's aren't a hole lot better!

They're on par with yours

337 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:33:47pm

re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sherman, just sit there on th' sidelines.

That's Pershing it.

338 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:34:05pm

re: #333 Gearhead

Actually, I'm going to run out for some Doenitz.

Just watch out for the wild boars. They're good at Goering people.

339 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:34:26pm

re: #335 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And is a Slocum anyway.

I dated a Slocom. Amy Slocum.
/

340 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:34:32pm

(((( is this a 1st? 2 seperate pun thread, military names and golf, at the same time?)))

341 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:34:43pm

re: #333 Gearhead

Actually, I'm going to run out for some Doenitz.

Don't Bragg about it.

342 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:34:55pm

I am off to the post office.

Enjoy the evening Custer morrow may never come.

343 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:35:09pm

re: #334 LGoPs

I'm just Chaffee 'in to get in here

Tanks for that.

344 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:35:40pm

re: #341 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don't Bragg about it.

He Bradley mentioned it.

345 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:36:10pm

re: #343 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Tanks for that.

I Marshalled everything I had for that.

346 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:36:22pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

(((( is this a 1st? 2 seperate pun thread, military names and golf, at the same time?)))

Pretty par for the course

347 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:36:25pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

(((( is this a 1st? 2 seperate pun thread, military names and golf, at the same time?)))

Patton your putter too much will make you go blind.

348 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:37:02pm

re: #339 VegasRick

I dated a Slocom. Amy Slocum.
/

Was she a Hooker?

349 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:37:05pm

re: #342 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am off to the post office.

Enjoy the evening Custer morrow may never come.

Did you arthur that Mac?

350 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:37:08pm

re: #347 SasquatchOnSteroids

Patton your putter too much will make you go blind.

Eisenhower you going to do that?

351 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:37:17pm

re: #345 LGoPs

I Marshalled everything I had for that.

All you could muster?

352 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:38:33pm

not sure if anyone was aware of this or not, but Soon Ok Lee's testimony before US Senate on life in North Korean prison camps provides a pretty vivid picture of what goes on in these places.

It's probably one of the most disturbing things I've ever read.

[Link: judiciary.senate.gov...]

353 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:38:34pm

re: #348 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Was she a Hooker?

More of a slicer but she dressed like one!

354 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:38:56pm

Why is buckwheat flour so expensive?

355 poteen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:39:57pm

Where's Enoughalready when you need him?

356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:40:18pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

Eisenhower you going to do that?

I see we're moving on from the Civil War.
It was such a Pleasanton to be in for awhile.

357 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:40:53pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Why is buckwheat flour so expensive?

How much do Pirates pay for corn?
.
.
.
.
A buccanear.

358 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:41:05pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Why is buckwheat flour so expensive?

Anything with a celebrity's name attached to it just gets way overpriced.

/sorry. Couldn't resist.

359 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:41:06pm

re: #345 LGoPs

I Marshalled everything I had for that.

Ike an hardly stand this!

360 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:41:21pm

re: #33 restitutor orbis

You're a pig!

361 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:41:22pm

re: #352 spacejesus

not sure if anyone was aware of this or not, but Soon Ok Lee's testimony before US Senate on life in North Korean prison camps provides a pretty vivid picture of what goes on in these places.

It's probably one of the most disturbing things I've ever read.

[Link: judiciary.senate.gov...]


There was a documentary about a year or so ago. A North Korean smuggled the footage out of the north showing the conditions not only in the countryside but in one of those camps. i can't recall what it was called, but I vividly remember the scenes. Shocking and disturbing does NOT come close to describing it.

That alone would have me considering forcing out the current regime by any means necessary if i were in charge

362 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:41:23pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Why is buckwheat flour so expensive?

re: #355 poteen

Where's Enoughalready when you need him?

Who keeps asking all these questions?
/

363 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:41:30pm

re: #356 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see we're moving on from the Civil War.
It was such a Pleasanton to be in for awhile.

More fun than a game of Jackson.

364 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:41:51pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Why is buckwheat flour so expensive?

Because buckwheat is more expensive to grow than nickelwheat.

365 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:42:01pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Why is buckwheat flour so expensive?

The Little Rascals are collectors items now, I would guess!

366 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:42:09pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Why is buckwheat flour so expensive?

Low demand = high price.

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:42:38pm

LOL!
That'll teach Killgore to waltz in with a serious question!

368 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:42:54pm

re: #362 VegasRick

Who keeps asking all these questions?
/

Where are you getting that question from?

What do you care?

369 Silvergirl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:43:25pm

French Generals?

A grenade thrown into a kitchen in France would result in Linoleum
Blownapart.

370 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:43:28pm

re: #368 sattv4u2

Where are you getting that question from?

What do you care?

Why does it matter?

371 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:43:37pm

Buckwheat flour's not expensive, I'm just an idiot. It's really hard to find so I went to one of those overpriced organic hippie markets and bought a pound of $5.
You can buy it from Amazon for $1.59.

372 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:43:48pm

re: #363 screaming_eagle

More fun than a game of Jackson.

How long are we gonna let th' Bull Run?

373 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:43:51pm

re: #362 VegasRick

Who keeps asking all these questions?
/

What? You expecting anyone to care?

374 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:43:55pm

re: #368 sattv4u2

Where are you getting that question from?

What do you care?

How do you know I care?

375 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:44:02pm

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
That'll teach Killgore to waltz in with a serious question!

If you're ever looking for an instant peanut gallery, LGF is your place.

Back later, folks.

376 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:44:34pm

re: #366 Wendya

Americans don't really eat buckwheat any more. Too bad, it's good for you.

377 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:44:38pm

re: #372 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How long are we gonna let th' Bull Run?

Till he Abrams into something.

378 latingent  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:44:39pm

I`m Dunn too. Gonna go play Blackjack. And maybe get a cup of Joe.

379 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:44:46pm

re: #369 Silvergirl

French Generals?

A grenade thrown into a kitchen in France would result in Linoleum
Blownapart.

If it's thrown into the bathroom you'd have Waterloo.

380 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:44:47pm

re: #370 screaming_eagle

Why does it matter?

When will we stop this crap?

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:45:03pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Buckwheat flour's not expensive, I'm just an idiot. It's really hard to find so I went to one of those overpriced organic hippie markets and bought a pound of $5.
You can buy it from Amazon for $1.59.

Just to ask, how much when shipping's added?

382 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:45:11pm

re: #372 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How long are we gonna let th' Bull Run?

Man. My assas tired.

383 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:45:46pm

re: #364 Bloodnok

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thank you both. I literally laughed out loud when I read each of those

Thanks

I needed that

(found out my closest life-long friends ex wife passed away yesterday,,, I've been a tad surley today,, I apologize if I offended anyone earlier)

(((well ,, surlier than usual, that is)))

384 poteen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:46:08pm

Back to topic. It's time for the Japanese to spark up a "Safe Nuclear power/ missile test program." Should take a couple weeks till the first test-- Which should go right over Pyongyang. Kim may want to reassess his actions.

385 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:46:33pm

re: #361 sattv4u2

There was a documentary about a year or so ago. A North Korean smuggled the footage out of the north showing the conditions not only in the countryside but in one of those camps. i can't recall what it was called, but I vividly remember the scenes. Shocking and disturbing does NOT come close to describing it.

That alone would have me considering forcing out the current regime by any means necessary if i were in charge

to think that those sorts of things are going to be happening to our (probably) kidnapped American journalists in my opinion is a declaration of war against the American people. Imagine if that was your sister or daughter.

I say we negotiate for their release, but if that fails, then full-scale invasion should be imminent. Furthermore, fuck China and fuck Russia. We don't need their nod or their participation; they're the world's two most irresponsible world powers anyway.

386 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:46:56pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thank you both. I literally laughed out loud when I read each of those

Thanks

I needed that

(found out my closest life-long friends ex wife passed away yesterday,,, I've been a tad surley today,, I apologize if I offended anyone earlier)

(((well ,, surlier than usual, that is)))

Surly you jest!

387 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:46:58pm

re: #381 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you have a premium membership (as small annual fee, $20?) they give you free shipping. I'm thinking about putting an amazon membership on my Christmas list.

388 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:47:24pm

re: #386 VegasRick

Surly you jest!

no ,, and don't call me Shirley

389 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:47:46pm
390 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:47:59pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

no ,, and don't call me Shirley

Sorry Alice.

391 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:48:09pm

re: #388 sattv4u2

no ,, and don't call me Shirley

I think he's trying to harry you.

392 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:48:17pm

re: #361 sattv4u2

There was a documentary about a year or so ago. A North Korean smuggled the footage out of the north showing the conditions not only in the countryside but in one of those camps. i can't recall what it was called, but I vividly remember the scenes. Shocking and disturbing does NOT come close to describing it.

That alone would have me considering forcing out the current regime by any means necessary if i were in charge

Don't know if the link is still good.

LiveLeak video of young man who escaped prison (others available on the menu)

393 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:48:27pm

re: #385 SpaceJesus

to think that those sorts of things are going to be happening to our (probably) kidnapped American journalists in my opinion is a declaration of war against the American people. Imagine if that was your sister or daughter.

I say we negotiate for their release, but if that fails, then full-scale invasion should be imminent. Furthermore, fuck China and fuck Russia. We don't need their nod or their participation; they're the world's two most irresponsible world powers anyway.

Please see my #213

394 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:49:32pm

re: #392 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don't know if the link is still good.

LiveLeak video of young man who escaped prison (others available on the menu)

Yes ,, I think thats the one,, thanks

395 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:49:40pm

re: #381 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Looks like they also give you free shipping if you order over $25 worth of stuff. Pretty good deal.

396 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:49:47pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I'm just an idiot.

You don't mind if I highlight this for future reference, do you?


;)

397 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:49:57pm
398 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:49:58pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thank you both. I literally laughed out loud when I read each of those

Thanks

I needed that

(found out my closest life-long friends ex wife passed away yesterday,,, I've been a tad surley today,, I apologize if I offended anyone earlier)

(((well ,, surlier than usual, that is)))

....................... {satt} *manly hug*

399 latingent  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:50:24pm

Without a doubt, Japan is the Wild Card here. They have limited power, but if they came overcome their aversions to to the Bomb they will be a Big Stick in Kimmies eye. And balance may be restored to the region.

400 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:50:41pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

re: #396 Wendya

You don't mind if I highlight this for future reference, do you?


;)

I've already saved it in my FAVS!

//

401 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:50:45pm

re: #376 Killgore Trout

Americans don't really eat buckwheat any more. Too bad, it's good for you.

Speak for yourself, I have buckwheat pancakes at least once a week.

402 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:51:07pm

re: #385 SpaceJesus

to think that those sorts of things are going to be happening to our (probably) kidnapped American journalists in my opinion is a declaration of war against the American people. Imagine if that was your sister or daughter.

I say we negotiate for their release, but if that fails, then full-scale invasion should be imminent. Furthermore, fuck China and fuck Russia. We don't need their nod or their participation; they're the world's two most irresponsible world powers anyway.

Oh great..Let's start a World War over 2 reporters...Weeeeee!
Those reporters are bargaining chips for Kim...All the analysts are writing that today...But you are the Socrates of the Internet..So what the hell do they know?

403 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:51:29pm
404 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:51:41pm

re: #395 Killgore Trout

Looks like they also give you free shipping if you order over $25 worth of stuff. Pretty good deal.

That is good.

I knew it applied to books and CDs. Make CERTAIN it applies to something as heavy and bulky as flour.

405 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:51:44pm

re: #401 FurryOldGuyJeans

Speak for yourself, I have buckwheat pancakes at least once a week.

Silver Dollar pancakes, I assume?

/I got a million of 'em...

406 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:51:54pm

re: #400 sattv4u2

There's a rumor going around that I stink too.

407 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:52:10pm

re: #397 Iron Fist

I'd have just addressed my reply to "Bitch". It is so much simpler when you refer to them all that way :-)

Funny.

408 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:52:14pm

re: #387 Killgore Trout

If you have a premium membership (as small annual fee, $20?) they give you free shipping. I'm thinking about putting an amazon membership on my Christmas list.

I think the prime membership is closer to $79.00 per year. If you live out in the sticks like I do and do most of your shopping online, it can save you a bundle.

409 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:52:31pm

re: #403 Iron Fist

Are you suggesting that SpaceJesus have a "Come to L'il Kim" moment?

LMAO

410 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:52:43pm

re: #398 pre-Boomer Marine brat

....................... {satt} *manly hug*

thanks man,,, Preciate it. It shook me up pretty good when I found out. I don't have any details yet. Just a cryptic (group) e-mail from my freind saying services are tomorrow night.

I googled the funeral home and got some info, but i'm in Atlanta and the service is outside of Boston. My freinds not answering his cell or home phone

411 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:53:06pm

re: #404 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It seems they have disclaimers for some items. The membership is more than I expected: $80. It would still be worth it if you use it a lot.

412 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:53:33pm

re: #401 FurryOldGuyJeans

Speak for yourself, I have buckwheat pancakes at least once a week.

Is Spanky and Alfalfa aware of this prediliction of yours? (not to mention Darla!)

413 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:53:44pm

re: #405 Bloodnok

Silver Dollar pancakes, I assume?

/I got a million of 'em...

With the griddle pan I use I get squarish pancakes.

414 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:54:43pm

re: #404 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That is good.

I knew it applied to books and CDs. Make CERTAIN it applies to something as heavy and bulky as flour.

You can specifically search for stuff that qualifies for prime.

415 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:54:51pm

re: #408 Wendya

I hope to move out to the Oregon coast next year. I'll definitely need it out there. Amazon has a great selection of weird exotic foods like shitake mushrooms, that I'll never be able to find in a small town.

416 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:55:13pm

re: #33 restitutor orbis

Although no journalist is worth risking war over, and CurrentTV "journalists" even less so, I think this calls for a carrier battle group in the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea. Its the least the One can do for his water-carriers.

Although being a former 7th Fleet sailor, I would be pretty pissed if I had to mess up my liberty plans over two of Al Gores minions.

They are still our Citizens. The O' fails to act to secure their release from a position of strength and how many U.S. Citizens abroad suddenly become targets for kidnapping knowing the current administration has no will to act? The actions of the POTUS will be judged by the world. Unfortunately for them, and for many, many others, the O' is not up to the task...

417 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:55:31pm

re: #410 sattv4u2

thanks man,,, Preciate it. It shook me up pretty good when I found out. I don't have any details yet. Just a cryptic (group) e-mail from my freind saying services are tomorrow night.

I googled the funeral home and got some info, but i'm in Atlanta and the service is outside of Boston. My freinds not answering his cell or home phone

Hang tough.
We love ya'.

418 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:55:50pm

re: #87 Last Mohican

And here's another fist that isn't unclenching:

Poll: Few Iranians see U.S. positively, despite Obama

The survey [of Iranians], taken last month, shows that 29 percent of Iranians view the U.S. positively. In February 2008, a similar poll of Iranians showed 34 percent with favorable views of the U.S

Yes, they (the Iranians) liked us more when Bush was president.

That is because they respected Bush, the man of great strength. They abhor Øbama, the man of conciliatory weakness, the appeaser.
Øbama doesn't yet understand these people.

419 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:55:53pm

re: #413 FurryOldGuyJeans

With the griddle pan I use I get squarish pancakes.

Are you sure they're square? I mean, do you like measure each side to make sure they're equal? Maybe you're being hasty in your defintion. Have you considered the fact that you may be eating rectangular or even worse, rhomboid pancakes........hmmmmmm?

420 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:56:39pm
421 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:56:53pm

re: #417 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hang tough.
We love ya'.

I always have, I always will. Part of my DNA (thanks Nonna, thanks Ma and Pa)

I'm just worried about my freind

422 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:56:59pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

I hope to move out to the Oregon coast next year. I'll definitely need it out there. Amazon has a great selection of weird exotic foods like shitake mushrooms, that I'll never be able to find in a small town.

I can find them 'shrooms even here in the hinterlands south of Tacoma.

423 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:57:30pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

I hope to move out to the Oregon coast next year. I'll definitely need it out there. Amazon has a great selection of weird exotic foods like shitake mushrooms, that I'll never be able to find in a small town.

Do you have a logical reason for wanting to move to the coast, or do y' wanna do it just beCoos you can?

/*duck and run*

424 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:57:51pm

re: #410 sattv4u2

thanks man,,, Preciate it. It shook me up pretty good when I found out. I don't have any details yet. Just a cryptic (group) e-mail from my freind saying services are tomorrow night.

I googled the funeral home and got some info, but i'm in Atlanta and the service is outside of Boston. My freinds not answering his cell or home phone

I'm so sorry Satt...May you find peace in your heart...May you Have strength and show strength and comfort and love to your Friends...
They need you right now..
Kind regards Satt

425 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:58:14pm

re: #413 FurryOldGuyJeans

With the griddle pan I use I get squarish pancakes.

Square pancakes...now there's a new angle.

426 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:58:25pm

re: #421 sattv4u2

I'm just worried about my freind

I DO understand!

427 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:58:31pm

re: #419 LGoPs

Are you sure they're square? I mean, do you like measure each side to make sure they're equal? Maybe you're being hasty in your defintion. Have you considered the fact that you may be eating rectangular or even worse, rhomboid pancakes........hmmmmmm?

Would it surprise you I do measure them? I use a squarish plate for them squarish buckwheat pancakes.

428 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:58:38pm

re: #424 HoosierHoops

I'm so sorry Satt...May you find peace in your heart...May you Have strength and show strength and comfort and love to your Friends...
They need you right now..
Kind regards Satt

Thanks big guy,,, Preciate it

429 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:59:20pm

re: #418 unrealizedviewpoint

That is because they respected Bush, the man of great strength. They abhor Øbama, the man of conciliatory weakness, the appeaser.
Øbama doesn't yet understand these people.

They saw hope with Pres. Bush in office, they know that 0zer0 will do nothing to help the people.

430 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:59:23pm

re: #402 HoosierHoops

But you are the Socrates of the Internet..So what the hell do they know?


fuck yeah, finally some one understands

431 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:59:40pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

I hope to move out to the Oregon coast next year. I'll definitely need it out there. Amazon has a great selection of weird exotic foods like shitake mushrooms, that I'll never be able to find in a small town.

I've ordered a wide variety of stuff from amazon from books/movies to specialty food items to clothing to a new LCD television for my mom. If I can get it shipped for free, it's worth it to pay a few bucks over what I'd have to pay on a different website because then I'd be paying full shipping.

432 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:00:04pm

re: #420 Iron Fist

Actually, if I thought SpaceJesus really meant it, I'd be tempted to agree with him (would that make him, hmmm, SpaceSatan? :-). It'd be funny as hell to see the look on homeboy's face "They sent how many aircraft carriers? They sunk how many of my naval vessels? What is this "all of them" of which you speak? No, I don't feel like welcoming any detachment of, how many Marines did you say?"

Pure comedy gold. I'd even give props to Obama if he had the balls to do it. I won't hold my breath.

LOL
I usually poke spacejesus...It'ss fun and I don't even have to drop a quarter in the laptop.. *wink*

433 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:00:07pm

re: #426 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I DO understand!

Being in the business you've been in, I'm sure you do. For each and every one of your fallen 'brothers", whether you personally knew them or not

434 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:00:40pm

re: #423 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you have a logical reason for wanting to move to the coast, or do y' wanna do it just beCoos you can?

/*duck and run*

He bay prefer the weather.

435 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:00:42pm

re: #402 HoosierHoops

Oh great..Let's start a World War over 2 reporters...Weeeeee!
Those reporters are bargaining chips for Kim...All the analysts are writing that today...But you are the Socrates of the Internet..So what the hell do they know?

It would be a regional war anyhow... China would probably switch sides and be on our side just to squish the crazies in NK if we asked them nicely enough. Also, the war is still technically on from the 1950's... there has never been a peace treaty or formal end to it. Note that the NK's have themselves stated in recent press releases that they consider the cease off etc... most of it is posturing but the kidnapping of U.S. citizens across the local border crosses the line between posturing and acts of war.

436 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:00:43pm

re: #427 FurryOldGuyJeans

Would it surprise you I do measure them? I use a squarish plate for them squarish buckwheat pancakes.

Actually I love buckwheat pancakes. Hard to find at most of the restaurants I go to though. IHOP doesn't have them which surprises me.

437 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:00:47pm

re: #430 SpaceJesus

fuck yeah, finally some one understands

LOL
hope today finds you well jesus

438 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:01:41pm

re: #430 SpaceJesus

fuck yeah, finally some one understands

BTW ,, I have the mini-you 'on the dashboard of my car" !

439 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:02:45pm

re: #436 LGoPs

Actually I love buckwheat pancakes. Hard to find at most of the restaurants I go to though. IHOP doesn't have them which surprises me.

IHOP is racist. They have Spanky and Alfalfa and Darla panckaes, but no Stymei or Buckwheat!

440 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:02:47pm

re: #436 LGoPs

Actually I love buckwheat pancakes. Hard to find at most of the restaurants I go to though. IHOP doesn't have them which surprises me.

I don't do restaurants. The price of a single meal I can get 3 or 4 at home. I really do like to cook.

441 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:03:46pm

re: #429 VegasRick

They saw hope with Pres. Bush in office, they know that 0zer0 will do nothing to help the people.

Absolutely right! Iran was supposed to be freed next. Let's continue to cast the deserved credit on Rummy who held Bush's ear.

442 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:03:51pm

re: #435 anotherindyfilmguy

It would be a regional war anyhow... China would probably switch sides and be on our side just to squish the crazies in NK if we asked them nicely enough. Also, the war is still technically on from the 1950's... there has never been a peace treaty or formal end to it. Note that the NK's have themselves stated in recent press releases that they consider the cease off etc... most of it is posturing but the kidnapping of U.S. citizens across the local border crosses the line between posturing and acts of war.

So lets see..4 nuclear powers go to war over 2 reporters that lil Kim wants to use as a bargaining chip.. At least, like you said, it would be a regional war...
Oh boy....

443 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:04:13pm

re: #430 SpaceJesus

fuck yeah, finally some one understands

Betcha never lose any data........cause as everyone knows, Jesus Saves.
/

444 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:04:30pm

Out for the evening.
Just took a look at the clock and gasped.

{Satt}

Good night, all.

445 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:05:07pm

BUCKWHEAT
[Link: www.gamespot.com...]

446 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:05:21pm

re: #440 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't do restaurants. The price of a single meal I can get 3 or 4 at home. I really do like to cook.

Me too. I just can't afford to in the city. There are no supermarkets and the corner markets are terrible. It has discouraged me from cooking, which is a shame. I'm moving in Sept., though so I'll start again.

447 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:05:37pm

Has Al Gore even made a comment on these two ladies?

448 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:06:35pm

This should get enough attention so government run health care gets run up our asses.

449 pat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:06:49pm

re: #447 Sharmuta

Not that has been published. He is a pig.

450 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:07:13pm

re: #447 Sharmuta

Has Al Gore even made a comment on these two ladies?

so far ,,, NADA

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

Please see my #213

451 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:07:29pm

re: #447 Sharmuta

Manbearpig was unavailable for comment. His publicist said he was up north fitting polar bears for life jackets.

452 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:07:32pm

re: #440 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't do restaurants. The price of a single meal I can get 3 or 4 at home. I really do like to cook.

(one final parting shot)

I hear you've got some restaurants up there where the portions are really huge -- where you can Tacoma lot in the doggie bag.

/*running for the door, cackling maniacally*

453 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:07:53pm

re: #447 Sharmuta

Has Al Gore even made a comment on these two ladies?

Monday story
Al Gore may go to NKorea to help US reporters

454 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:08:10pm

re: #449 pat

Not that has been published. He is a pig.

He is ManBearPig. He is too busy fighting Global Warming to be distracted by trivial matters like this.
/

455 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:08:29pm

Someone asked me up thread if I had a guess as to how high I though inflation would go. Sorry for the delay but I had some things to do in the meantime.

I think 15% to 20% per year, somewhere in there. That's just my swag at it based on 30 years of tracking and analyzing macroeconomic data.

456 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:08:30pm
457 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:08:43pm

re: #447 Sharmuta

Has Al Gore even made a comment on these two ladies?

I'd send Jesse Jackson loaded down with porn, Wine, Cigars and some hot hookers...This would all be over by the time the french brandy was gone..Next weekend probably..
/

458 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:08:45pm
459 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:09:37pm

re: #453 unrealizedviewpoint
Mwahahaha! Maybe 'ol Poofy hair will charge the goreacle with stealing state secrets and throw him in the graybar hotel!

460 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:10:06pm

re: #453 unrealizedviewpoint

Monday story
Al Gore may go to NKorea to help US reporters

But that word came from niether Gore NOR the State Dept spokesman. A reporter asked if it would make sense to send Gore, and the spokeman answered "This is such a sensitive issue, I'm just not going to go into those kinds of discussions that we may or may not have had,"

461 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:10:12pm

re: #442 HoosierHoops

So lets see..4 nuclear powers go to war over 2 reporters that lil Kim wants to use as a bargaining chip.. At least, like you said, it would be a regional war...
Oh boy....


Yeah, forget the reporters. Not worth fighting over. Write 'em off.
But for cryin' out loud don't fucking submit to fucking blackmail.

462 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:10:30pm

re: #453 unrealizedviewpoint

Monday story
Al Gore may go to NKorea to help US reporters

Thanks, although it's not a statement from him.

463 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:11:42pm

re: #457 HoosierHoops

I'd send Jesse Jackson loaded down with porn, Wine, Cigars and some hot hookers...This would all be over by the time the french brandy was gone..Next weekend probably..
/

You load up Jackson with porn, Wine, Cigars and some hot hookers paid for by the gov't he'll never leave Chicago and you won't see Jesse for YEARS!

on second thought!

464 Gella  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:11:47pm

the communism still alive and breathing
////////////////

465 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:12:13pm

Yet more signs of inflation:
Mortgage-Bond Yields Jump to Highest Since Fed’s Buying Plan

Yields on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage securities climbed to their highest since Nov. 24, the day before the Federal Reserve announced plans to buy the bonds to drive down interest rates on new home loans.

Yields on Washington-based Fannie Mae’s current-coupon 30- year fixed-rate mortgage bonds rose 0.15 percentage point to 5.05 percent as of 4 p.m. in New York, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That’s up from 3.94 percent on May 20.

Yields on the securities rose faster than rates on benchmark Treasuries today because the U.S. central bank hasn’t taken action in response to soaring home-financing costs, which the Fed has been influencing through debt purchases in a bid to stabilize the housing market, said Walt Schmidt, a mortgage-bond strategist at FTN Financial in Chicago.

“The fact that the Fed has not come in and supported the ‘national mortgage rate,’ that has gotten the market spooked,” Schmidt said in a telephone interview today.

466 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:12:44pm

re: #461 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, forget the reporters. Not worth fighting over. Write 'em off.
But for cryin' out loud don't fucking submit to fucking blackmail.

I'm buying my Ticket to NoKo tonight...Think I'll snoop around..
Please promise me the Gov't sends the 7th fleet in case I get caught..
Wish me luck!

467 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:12:47pm

re: #462 Sharmuta

Thanks, although it's not a statement from him.

GMTA (460)

468 freetoken  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:14:51pm

re: #462 Sharmuta

Ideally, no one wants to reward Kim. Having a prominent figure jump every time Kim pulls a stunt would be positive feedback to him, as if he were in control.

469 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:14:53pm

re: #453 unrealizedviewpoint

Monday story
Al Gore may go to NKorea to help US reporters

Global worming?

470 djranger  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:15:30pm

Didn't Obama just announce in the last two weeks that we're 'out of money'? The big question is: Do we really have the resources available right now to enter into a military standoff with lil' kimmy - and take out radical islam at the same time? His timing is very calculated - and i think, unfortunately, with Obama and Pelosi at the helm, he might get what he wants - again.

471 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:15:39pm

Spiking Treasury yields a stumbling block for U.S. stocks
Rising mortgage rates could dent housing market just as it begins to recover

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Escalating Treasury yields risk hitting the U.S. stock market with a one-two punch, as higher yields increase the allure of bonds as an investment alternative to equities as well as posing a potential drag on the economy.

"There are two legs to that story, both of them bad. As yields on the 10-year go higher, the more attractive that investment would be to equity investors, so there is an asset allocation argument to be made," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Jefferies & Co.

472 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:16:48pm
473 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:17:19pm

re: #470 djranger

Didn't Obama just announce in the last two weeks that we're 'out of money'? The big question is: Do we really have the resources available right now to enter into a military standoff with lil' kimmy - and take out radical islam at the same time? His timing is very calculated - and i think, unfortunately, with Obama and Pelosi at the helm, he might get what he wants - again.

I'm not sure Obama's teleprompter remembers from one day to the next what it says.

474 NervyNews  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:17:41pm

OT: Check out "Anti-Semitism in The Washington Post newsroom?"

475 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:18:03pm

re: #471 3 wood

Spiking Treasury yields a stumbling block for U.S. stocks
Rising mortgage rates could dent housing market just as it begins to recover

So here's the question. What insane steps will Obama take to try to keep interest rates down?

476 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:18:06pm

Send Gore over to discuss Grobar Crimate Change with Dear Leader. After a few hours with ManBearPig he's bound to surrender and just crawl into a hole.

477 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:18:06pm

re: #472 Iron Fist

I've got to get re-financed. They were supposed to call me Friday. Things are going back up, and I'm afraid how of far up they'll go.

Carter and his stagflation is going to be a fond memory.

478 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:18:21pm

Just Got Back -

For what it is worth:

1. What were the Journalists doing at the CHINA/DPRK Border? - Especially since one of them was a sister of another Journalist who broadcast pictures as or MORE embarrassing to the DPRK than the Abu Ghraib pictures were to the US?
2. I Hear and assume it is TRUE that their ultimate employer is Albert Gore, Jr. former VP of the US.
What gives? That is all.

-S-

479 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:18:24pm

re: #32 jcm

North Korean Camps

[Video]

20 minutes.
Interview with escapees form NorKo Camps.

Chilling stuff.

One concentration camp is 20 x 20 square miles.
A place where the word 'freedom' is unknown.
Where mothers beat their babies rather than
hold them. Thank you for posting the video.

There is a one hour version of the film with more
detail. That film was presented at a google sponsored
lecture. For all google's faults - such as in not commemorating
D-Day - this sole film redeems google.

Youtube Video

Also, the NYTimes, ran a story today saying that Obama's Cairo
speech had a decisive effect on the Lebanon elections. Yes,
I am wary of Obama's approach but if the Times is correct, then
President Obama needs be applauded on that one.

That is not to take away from the tremendous amount of work
to be done, and the frightful time we are in. Nor is it meant to
take away from what these two young journalists are going to
experience - supposedly only - for the next two years. jcm, thank
you for your posting. I feel mortified by the revelation. God bless us all.
And tonight especially for those two young women.

480 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:19:19pm

re: #475 Spare O'Lake

So here's the question. What insane steps will Obama take to try to keep interest rates down?

Nationalize banks and lenders so he can put rate caps in place.

Wage and price caps worked so well for Nixon and Carter.

481 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:19:27pm

re: #477 FurryOldGuyJeans

Carter and his stagflation is going to be a fond memory.

At least you can eat peanuts.

Hopenchange is useless.

482 VegasRick  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:20:27pm

Later all.

483 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:20:40pm

re: #481 OldLineTexan

At least you can eat peanuts.

Hopenchange is useless.

With the push for biofuels peanuts aren't fodder any more.

484 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:20:47pm

re: #476 LGoPs

Send Gore over to discuss Grobar Crimate Change with Dear Leader. After a few hours with ManBearPig he's bound to surrender and just crawl into a hole.

Wait a miinute. We can't send Gore. We've outlawed torture.
Back to the drawing board, dammit.

485 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:21:08pm
486 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:21:23pm

I would have thought the NorK/Chinese border would be pretty clear. But I have trouble believing anything the NorKs say.

487 freetoken  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:21:54pm

re: #478 Dr. Shalit


1. What were the Journalists doing at the CHINA/DPRK Border? - Especially since one of them was a sister of another Journalist who broadcast pictures as or MORE embarrassing to the DPRK than the Abu Ghraib pictures were to the US?

Apparently documenting people trying to escape from NK into China.

488 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:22:03pm

re: #483 FurryOldGuyJeans

With the push for biofuels peanuts aren't fodder any more.

Have you ever priced peanut oil?

Nobody's burning that for fuel anytime soon.

489 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:22:26pm

re: #2 Cato the Elder

Both of them women.

What does Kimmie want in exchange?

When I read the story about the latest excess from Kimmie, I was reminded of a line from Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry after the bad guy hijacks a school bus.

"When are you people going to stop messing round with this guy? He's got to be stopped now."

So, time to ask Kimmie if he feels lucky.

490 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:23:07pm

re: #468 freetoken

Ideally, no one wants to reward Kim. Having a prominent figure jump every time Kim pulls a stunt would be positive feedback to him, as if he were in control.

I can understand that. The flip side, however, is when a lack of a statement looks like insensitivity.

491 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:23:28pm

re: #472 Iron Fist

I've got to get re-financed. They were supposed to call me Friday. Things are going back up, and I'm afraid how of far up they'll go.

Get it done.

492 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:23:56pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

Have you ever priced peanut oil?

Nobody's burning that for fuel anytime soon.

At least it wouldn't smell like a rancid french fry.

493 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:24:25pm

re: #475 Spare O'Lake

So here's the question. What insane steps will Obama take to try to keep interest rates down?

Eventually he will go to wage and price controls.

That won't work either.

494 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:24:35pm

I'm out also. Drive home, see what havoc my son and his freinds have caused while I was gone, have a double vodka, go to bed and come back here for another 12 fun filled hours at work!

495 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:24:54pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

Have you ever priced peanut oil?

Nobody's burning that for fuel anytime soon.

Since the Dems nixed domestic exploration and O wants to bankrupt the coal industry, peanut oil might be cheaper sooner than later.

496 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:25:24pm

re: #492 FurryOldGuyJeans

At least it wouldn't smell like a rancid french fry.

Good point.

I have a good friend at work that's been buying surplus Army trucks. He has a deuce-and-a-half with a multifuel engine. I could go buy five gallons of peanut oil and go for a ride!

497 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:25:56pm

re: #489 John Neverbend

When I read the story about the latest excess from Kimmie, I was reminded of a line from Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry after the bad guy hijacks a school bus.

"When are you people going to stop messing round with this guy? He's got to be stopped now."

So, time to ask Kimmie if he feels lucky.

Who's gonna ask him, Clint Obama?
Don't make me laugh.

498 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:26:20pm

re: #481 OldLineTexan

At least you can eat peanuts.

Hopenchange is useless.

Old Line Texan -

Give Former President Carter Credit - if you will - for deregulating Trucking and beginning to deregulate airlines. Even a stopped watch gets it right twice per day.

-S-

499 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:27:02pm

re: #497 Spare O'Lake

Who's gonna ask him, Clint Obama?
Don't make me laugh.

Speak softly and carry a limp dick.

500 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:28:00pm

re: #495 kansas

Since the Dems nixed domestic exploration and O wants to bankrupt the coal industry, peanut oil might be cheaper sooner than later.

I read a Ted Danson article today, wherein he bragged about stopping offshore drilling in California.

Thanks, Ted, you asshat, for the NIMBY contribution.

501 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:28:38pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Why is buckwheat flour so expensive?

In order to expedite the separation of foolish organic-brained yuppies from their sweet, sweet money, that's why.

Tip from my dead-broke days: Those dinky 1½ lb. bags that Bob's Red Mill Organic Grains are sold in will fit nicely down the front of a gentleman's trousers -- creating a basket that makes the ladies say oooooh-la-la, while stretching your food dollar through petty thievery.

Tip that doesn't involve shoplifting: Check out markets that cater to "ethnic" immigrants -- where you can often find specialty grains and flours that are priced as everyday staples, rather than marked-up "health" items. Mind you, I can't recall ever seeing buckwheat flour -- but rice flour, lentil flour, chickpea flour, mungbean flour, millet flour, definitely.

502 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:28:43pm

re: #490 Sharmuta

I can understand that. The flip side, however, is when a lack of a statement looks like insensitivity.

Al Gore insensitive? No! He's shed the wooden indian look for the metrosexual Green. He's all about sensitivity now.

503 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:29:05pm

re: #484 LGoPs

On CBC "News" the reporter is claiming that Americans are, indeed, considering sending over a high-level group of envoys, including ali Gore (Gore, the owner of the Current "news" Channel) -- I'd say send over all the Hollywood wackos as well...make it a package deal...

504 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:29:19pm

Kenny Rankin..........."When Sonny Gets Blue"..........
A spokesman for Kenny Rankin's record label says the veteran singer-songwriter has died of lung cancer. He was 67.

505 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:30:32pm

re: #503 J.S.

On CBC "News" the reporter is claiming that Americans are, indeed, considering sending over a high-level group of envoys, including ali Gore (Gore, the owner of the Current "news" Channel) -- I'd say send over all the Hollywood wackos as well...make it a package deal...

I trust CBC News to be as accurate as the BBC.

Fat frakking chance.

506 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:31:43pm

Relax, everyone. My nine-year-old son has now decided to be President.

/

507 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:31:46pm

re: #493 3 wood

Eventually he will go to wage and price controls.

That won't work either.

Has John Galt begun writing his speech yet?

508 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:32:21pm

re: #491 3 wood

Get it done.

I tried, but the broker made a complete cock of it. Rates are heading up, at least for the moment. However, I see that Nouriel Roubini is warning against drawing any conclusions that the economy is truly recovering. Some analysts are predicting a resumption of very weak data in Q3 or Q4.

509 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:32:49pm

Ahhh.

I just offered two people full-time work. Favorite part of my job.

Stimulate this.

510 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:32:52pm

re: #505 FurryOldGuyJeans

but, but, but it was that -- Neil Macdonald -- don't cha trust 'im? (he's a "winner" in dishonest reporting awards...)

511 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:33:45pm

re: #503 J.S.

On CBC "News" the reporter is claiming that Americans are, indeed, considering sending over a high-level group of envoys, including ali Gore (Gore, the owner of the Current "news" Channel) -- I'd say send over all the Hollywood wackos as well...make it a package deal...

J.S. -

1. I ass-u-me you are Canadian.
2. I Tend to Agree - Let the former VP go to Pyongyang and grovel to the utmost.
3. As to to the others - "fuggedhabouddit" - they will NEVER go.
That is all.

-S-

512 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:33:57pm

re: #497 Spare O'Lake

Who's gonna ask him, Clint Obama?
Don't make me laugh.

Of course not, but allow me to wallow in my happy delusions.

513 3 wood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:34:23pm

You knew it had to happen

Here is Evan Thomas of Newsweek equating Obama to God

This will drive some on the left more crazy.

514 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:34:43pm

re: #506 OldLineTexan

Relax, everyone. My nine-year-old son has now decided to be President.

/

Ninja Turtles. We could use some of those about now.

515 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:34:55pm

re: #506 OldLineTexan

Relax, everyone. My nine-year-old son has now decided to be President.

/

You havent been indoctrinating your son against the good work of the current administration, have you?


(distant knocking on door)

516 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:36:49pm

re: #513 3 wood

You knew it had to happen

Here is Evan Thomas of Newsweek equating Obama to God

This will drive some on the left more crazy.


So, Wiley Drake's imprecatory prayers are going straight to the Whitehouse?

/

517 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:37:27pm

re: #502 unrealizedviewpoint

Al Gore insensitive? No! He's shed the wooden indian look for the metrosexual Green. He's all about sensitivity now.

He's super serial.

518 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:37:38pm

re: #506 OldLineTexan

Relax, everyone. My nine-year-old son has now decided to be President.

/

Great!
I feel so safe now.

519 J.D.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:38:28pm

re: #513 3 wood

You knew it had to happen

Here is Evan Thomas of Newsweek equating Obama to God

This will drive some on the left more crazy.


Impossible!

520 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:38:33pm

re: #515 A Kiwi Infidel

You havent been indoctrinating your son against the good work of the current administration, have you?


(distant knocking on door)

No one will believe me, but I try to present him with un-flavored information.

/

521 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:39:15pm

re: #520 OldLineTexan

No one will believe me, but I try to present him with un-flavored information.

/


I believe you.

/

522 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:39:28pm

re: #516 A Kiwi Infidel

It is a riddle wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in an enigma.

/

523 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:39:32pm
524 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:39:57pm

re: #521 A Kiwi Infidel

Ummm ... I saw that sarc tag, ya know.

525 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:40:50pm

re: #524 OldLineTexan

Ummm ... I saw that sarc tag, ya know.

....and I saw yours......

526 J.S.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:41:56pm

OT
The CBC is also reporting that the judge in the inquiry into the tasering death of Robert Dziekanski (the Polish fellow who died after being tasered five times for the crime of not being able to speak English at an International Airport) is winding up (and there are leaks that the judge is very, very unhappy with the police -- even gong so far as to suggest that certain members were giving misleading evidence during the inquiry...possible misconduct, etc.). Now the RCMP are sayin' they're gonna sue! Yeah, sue, so that the judge's report is never made public...Guess the RCMP is jumping on that new-found bandwagon of anonymity...(gosh, if only Dziekanski had been a toddler! than the perps had been guaranteed of never having "da names" released.)

527 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:42:19pm

re: #524 OldLineTexan

Ummm ... I saw that sarc tag, ya know.

re: #525 A Kiwi Infidel

....and I saw yours......

Perverts!

528 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:43:37pm

I think we have all laid Al Gore to bed in the fine company of the norks. I am sure he will enjoy the planet-saving comforts of a wooden-slat bed. Off to hear some Preston Reed.

529 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:44:25pm

re: #501 Throbert McGee

Mind you, I can't recall ever seeing buckwheat flour

Although having checked wikipedia and learned that buckwheat is called me mir (메밀) in Korean, I will look for it the next time I go to the Korean supermarket down the road from me.

530 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:44:33pm

re: #527 FurryOldGuyJeans

Perverts!


And you MYOB and keep your ////'s in your furry old jeans!

531 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:44:46pm

re: #466 HoosierHoops

I'm buying my Ticket to NoKo tonight...Think I'll snoop around..
Please promise me the Gov't sends the 7th fleet in case I get caught..
Wish me luck!

****************************************

My first dispatch..Dateline..Somewhere in a secret locale in China
Well turns out it was a little harder to bust in to NOKO than I thought..No business class non stops..So here I am in China preparing to do the secret cross border thing..Wish me luck! There are a few logistical issues I'm dealing with..I'm carrying 2 video camcorders, 6 cell phone, two GPS devices, 2 tape recorders and 23 batteries...So when I get in I'm going all out.. I'm pretty sure my rechargers are useless...So you gotta go for it..Dumb as a box of rocks TV offered me a big bonus if I geocache any nuclear site..So I'm pretty jacked...I'll write shortly about my genius plan of getting in-country..Well lizards..wish me luck..And don't worry about me..I'm bringing a shitload of energy bars..
****************************************

532 jamgarr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:46:13pm

re: #507 unrealizedviewpoint

Has John Galt begun writing his speech yet?

He'd better get started soon if the sucker's gonna be 50 friggin' pages long!

533 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:47:13pm

re: #530 A Kiwi Infidel

And you MYOB and keep your ////'s in your furry old jeans!

You misunderstand me...I wanna join you guys! ;)

534 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:48:39pm
535 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:51:16pm

re: #513 3 wood

This will drive some on the left more crazy.

Any more crazy and they'd be reduced to sitting in an empty room, drooling.

536 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:52:00pm

re: #513 3 wood

You knew it had to happen

Here is Evan Thomas of Newsweek equating Obama to God

This will drive some on the left more crazy.

So, Obama is "above" being "all about America". I'm not sure that such a statement is actually meaningful outside the rarefied atmosphere of an MSNBC interview. If it is meaningful, it seems to me to represent a state of affairs that is necessarily inferior to being "all about America".

537 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:52:52pm

re: #33 restitutor orbis

Although no journalist is worth risking war over, and CurrentTV "journalists" even less so, I think this calls for a carrier battle group in the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea. Its the least the One can do for his water-carriers.

Although being a former 7th Fleet sailor, I would be pretty pissed if I had to mess up my liberty plans over two of Al Gores minions.

But they're still American citizens.

As Yoda would put it, "a break gimme".

538 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:52:58pm

re: #533 FurryOldGuyJeans

You misunderstand me...I wanna join you guys! ;)

I think we will leave it at that, back to the grind stone.

Have a great evening folks.

Thanks again, Charles, for the forum.

539 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:58:49pm

re: #18 VegasRick

Can we give them Mikey Moore as well?
/

Only if you want their famine to be even worse. Mikey would eat them out of house and home.

540 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:00:46pm

re: #539 Ward Cleaver

Only if you want their famine to be even worse. Mikey would eat them out of house and home.

I dunno, do NorKs like whale meat?

541 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:02:21pm

we, the people, will be paying a lot of money to get those journalists back so o won't look bad.
he will do anything to keep up the myth that he is the anointed one.
and word is getting out around the world to all our enemies.
he is so easy to read. he is wearing a sandwich sign.

542 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:03:21pm

re: #531 HoosierHoops

****************************************

My first dispatch..Dateline..Somewhere in a secret locale in China
Well turns out it was a little harder to bust in to NOKO than I thought..No business class non stops..So here I am in China preparing to do the secret cross border thing..Wish me luck! There are a few logistical issues I'm dealing with..I'm carrying 2 video camcorders, 6 cell phone, two GPS devices, 2 tape recorders and 23 batteries...So when I get in I'm going all out.. I'm pretty sure my rechargers are useless...So you gotta go for it..Dumb as a box of rocks TV offered me a big bonus if I geocache any nuclear site..So I'm pretty jacked...I'll write shortly about my genius plan of getting in-country..Well lizards..wish me luck..And don't worry about me..I'm bringing a shitload of energy bars..
****************************************

********************************************
My Second Dispatch.. Somewhere in a NOKO safehouse...( well I think it is.. the Farmer has offered all his daughters at a deep discount rate)
NOKO: This a beautiful Country ravaged by an evil Government...
yada yada.. Wanna hear How I got in? It was cool..So I call this old friend in the DOD and His BIL works for NSA so somewhere in this windowless building full of big plasma TV's I had complete eyes on the ground..It was like a cool Clancy movie...I was ready to go but thought..He this an't right..So what If the CIA was watch..I need some special ops action..So I called back and they agreed to have an FA/18 overhead with a 500lb laser guided bomb just in case...Then we'd blow the fuck out those commies if anything would go wrong...It's nice having the full force on the 7th fleet behind me without working for the CIA...
So I made it and setting up camp at the farm house...There is a top secret Keyhole Satt beaming down real time pictures of my position..So I'm feeling pretty good tonight..Going to bed down..Will report later
PS.. This farmer dude has alot of cute daughters..I feel like Moses Tonight

543 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:04:19pm

re: #49 J.S.

CNN's Rick Sanchez program played an audio of one of his "viewers" exclaiming that this was all George Bush's fault, and furthermore North Korean justice was far preferable to AmeriKKKa's since, after all, the North Koreans gave the 2 gals a speedy trial unlike those poor, deprived detainees at Gitmo. (yet another CNN bozo viewer who's in need of an American citizenship primer -- grade school level, I'd say).

I'd rather crack those viewers over the head with a cluebat.

544 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:05:18pm

re: #541 nyc redneck

we, the people, will be paying a lot of money to get those journalists back so o won't look bad.
he will do anything to keep up the myth that he is the anointed one.
and word is getting out around the world to all our enemies.
he is so easy to read. he is wearing a sandwich sign.

So far his presidency is one big Epic Fail.

545 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:08:28pm

Everyone -
Fuhgheddabout "Hard Labor" - in the DPRK - it is tantamount to a Death Sentence should the regime decide so.
Soon, In Boston - we may see "Scab Labor" - Sponsored by the NEW YORK TIMES. Boston Globe Guild Members have rejected the 23% wage cut. Como se dice "schadenfreude" en espanol?

-S-

546 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:08:58pm

re: #506 OldLineTexan

Relax, everyone. My nine-year-old son has now decided to be President.

/

Great news OLT...a NewLineTexan in the WH.

547 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:10:27pm
548 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:12:41pm

Whoa Everyone -

Ambassador Bolton just said it - Bring down the "Kim Dynasty" and reunite Korea.
Discussion?

-S-

549 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:13:57pm

re: #544 Ward Cleaver

So far his presidency is one big Epic Fail.

power is fcking w/ his head.
and for a shallow, needy, not too bright, dork, this is a big problem.
he lacks grounding and a true understanding of how the world works on a grand scale or even btw people.
it is going to get worse. he is too enamored of himself.

550 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:15:46pm

re: #548 Dr. Shalit

Whoa Everyone -

Ambassador Bolton just said it - Bring down the "Kim Dynasty" and reunite Korea.
Discussion?

-S-

let's get 'er done.

551 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:30:51pm

communism is sweet.

/

552 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:43:47pm

This does not make sense. With the whole GLOBAL WARMING issue, I thought North Korea, with its complete lack of energy consumptions would be best buds with Algore.

553 mrclark  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:44:24pm

thanks sattv4u2 and pre-Boomer Marine brat, I had no idea the Chinese were so desperate for bony malnourished women.

Strange though, I've heard that many Chinese in the sex trade are brought over here to the states and put in brothels scattered across North America. If that's true, it seems they're importing North Koreans for the sex trade and exporting Chinese for the sex trade. Sad for the women unless (unbelievably) it somehow provides a better way of life for them than they had previously.

554 avspatti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:56:29pm

re: #547 Iron Fist

That's not likely to improve for at least the next three and a half years. It is hard to believe it, but we've almost managed to get the first half-year of the Reign of the One on Earth under our belt. Seven more half-years, and it will hopefully be over. Obama has the feel of a one-term President, especially with all of the looming disaster. And gas prices headed notrh once more...

I sincerely hope and pray you are correct.

555 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:07:32pm

re: #442 HoosierHoops

The alternative:
NK builds more nukes and someday uses them on South Korea, Japan or Alaska or Hawaii or the US either directly or through proxies/sales to terrorists etc.

Two thoughts come to mind:
We keep putting of the pain of a re-heated conflict in the hope that NK will collapse. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll implode, but I doubt it.

The other is thought is; when we won;t fight over the little things we will not fight for anything larger-the government that fails to protect it's citizen invites either outside aggression or insurrection or both.

556 tblot  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:22:44pm

I hate to say the right thing to do is block everythoing going into NK until and get the chinese to help How many years have they done this.

557 SteveRogers  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:25:14pm

re: #82 opnion

If we initiated war with NK, we would be pretty much on our own.
The Korean War was savage & we didn't lose , but the NK regime survived, so they won too.
They have denounced the Armistice, so technically a state of war exists now. If it came to it in my opinion, the smart thing would be to take out the capital by air and all of the infrastructure.

What infrastructure?

558 Fierce Guppy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 9:47:40pm

re: #548 Dr. Shalit

Whoa Everyone -

Ambassador Bolton just said it - Bring down the "Kim Dynasty" and reunite Korea.
Discussion?

-S-

If I were a homosexual I'd give that man a big sloppy kiss on the lips.

Tony.

559 Optimizer  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:29:09pm

I'm bummed. The Gore connection raises such a wealth of entertaining "crimes" that one could theorize these ladies were found guilty of, yet the gravity of the situation for them requires I must bite my tongue. I just hope they didn't get unto this by doing something stupid (besides - ugh! ... can't go there!), like those nice missionary girls who went to the Middle East to "educate" school kids, and wound up in trouble for allegedly proselytizing. The nerve of those Muslims, accusing missionaries of preaching Christianity to their kids (/sarc). Talk about a "disaster waiting to happen"!

But who knows? They could just have been at the wrong place, at the wrong time. It's a bad business, either way, to be sure.

560 Optimizer  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 10:38:11pm

re: #548 Dr. Shalit

Whoa Everyone -

Ambassador Bolton just said it - Bring down the "Kim Dynasty" and reunite Korea.
Discussion?

-S-

If it's OK with China and South Korea, it's OK with me.

...'Cause I just don't know if the NORKs - bad as they are - are bad ENOUGH to risk getting the Chinese all crazy with us.

There's also the matter of the South Koreans being obvious interested parties in that sort of action. Is North Korea a bad enough situation that we would put the lives of hundreds of thousands of South Koreans on the line? That still seems like a hard sell, to me, but I could be wrong.

I wonder if the former Embassador was speaking in a unilateral context.

561 saxking20  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:18:20am

Anyone ever watched algore's Current TV? I've watched and have seen these young reporter/videographers infiltrate the Somali pirates dens and go behind the scenes in Mexico, etc. I don't believe they understand the risks they are taking or they truly believe they are bullet proof.........

I'm guessing these girls probably were playing with fire and didn't think the NK's would grab them.

It's kinda like the students at Kent State that got shot by the troops. No one had ever meant it before when they were told to stop. Mom & Dad didn't.........

I hope the girls get home ok but the incident should never have happened.

562 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 6:31:31am

I'll repeat what I've said before: We should defeat North Korea without war. All that's required is to open the Chinese and South Korean borders to millions of North Korean refugees, depopulating the country. The international community would have to prepare for such an onslaught, and it would be costly. It would be cheaper than a nuclear war, however.

563 MTF  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 7:21:41am

Even though Al Gore annoys me to no end, I think Ling and Lee might just be heroes. They chose to report from so close to the Chinese/NK border to make a point in their story, I guess, and you never see that kind of courage from big-time MSM anymore. In this age of a gravy-sucking, mud crawling compliant press, seeing a couple of journalists actually set out to intentionally prod the tyrant snake is very refreshing. Mary Mapes and her ilk could actually learn something here about real reporting!

I'd like to know if China was complicit in their kidnapping, by the way. Why were there NK troops on the Chinese side of the border? How did they know the reporters travel plans? Why hasn't China said something?

564 drcordell  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 7:52:57am

re: #563 MTF

Apparently China was complicit in their arrest, because they were actually snatched from the Chinese side of the North Korean border. China either helped them do it, or condoned North Korean security forces operating in Chinese territory. Regardless, China is where the pressure needs to be brought to bear if these women are going to get out of prison any time soon.

My question is, if these women are subjected to beatings, stripped of clothing and alternately roasted and frozen, waterboarded and then tied in stress positions, are we going to label it torture?

565 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:16:16am

Their cameraman and guide escaped capture! They were probably involved in the story of how North Koreans are starving so badly that they sneak off to China for work and then come back with the money to feed their families. Mr Kim did not like the image destroying aspect of this report so did what every other dictator does captures the puppets and then has them put away. As far as the Al Gore connection it must have been for an over all global warming piece on the nasty carbon emitting factories in China that these people go to work at thus the compliance with China and the border crossing snatch team........


re: #40 Idle Drifter

566 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:58:08am

With The One borrowing from the Chinese, what are you going to do? You are talking about China having us by the balls, at least financially. Now we want China to help us save the reporters? Why would they? The only way they will would be for propaganda too promote us going into massive debt to them. We fought communism for 60 years. Now we are going to throw in the towel to socialism? My dad, who fought North Korea and the Chinese with the 2nd Infantry as a machine gunner, must be spinning in the grave.
How many lattes do we get now each month with the dumb-ass Stimulus Package?

567 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:00:03pm

I think calling it the Stimulus Package, maybe Obama has gone to the Bunny Ranch to many times.

568 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:12:01pm

Only "stimulates" his grasp for federalism in the name of progressivism and the goal is a little bit of fascism and socialism to boot. This is a very bitter concoction that I refuse to drink from!


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