Gaffney’s Sekrit Mozlem Prezdent Theory

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Is Frank Gaffney actually going for the “sekrit Mozlem prezdent” gambit?

Unfortunately, the answer seems to be “yes,” with a Hitler comparison thrown in for good measure: America’s first Muslim president?

This is not to say, necessarily, that Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim any more than Mr. Clinton actually is black. After his five months in office, and most especially after his just-concluded visit to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, however, a stunning conclusion seems increasingly plausible: The man now happy to have his Islamic-rooted middle name featured prominently has engaged in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain over Czechoslovakia at Munich. …

With Mr. Obama’s unbelievably ballyhooed address in Cairo Thursday to what he calls “the Muslim world” (hereafter known as “the Speech”), there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.

Good grief.

UPDATE at 6/9/09 10:21:01 am:

For a “sekrit Mozlem,” Obama sure does talk a lot about being a Christian: Barack Obama invokes Jesus more than George W. Bush.

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503 comments
1 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:07:20am

Who is Frank Gaffney?

2 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:07:57am

Dem tactics - keep repeating the meme until it takes hold.

They're forgetting that the media's on Obama's side.

3 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:08:03am

The kookery that was so well refined during the 8 years of GW's administration is taking so much less time with Obama and the Right. This does not bode well for the health of our Republic.

4 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:09:22am

It seems like he's just using a rhetorical flourish. From the article:

"During his White House years, William Jefferson Clinton -- someone Judge Sonia Sotomayor might call a "white male" -- was dubbed "America's first black president" by a black admirer. Applying the standard of identity politics and pandering to a special interest that earned Mr. Clinton that distinction, Barack Hussein Obama would have to be considered America's first Muslim president.

This is not to say, necessarily, that Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim any more than Mr. Clinton actually is black"

Though he throws doubt in there with the "necessarily," and an inflammatory headline, to appeal to the fearful.

5 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:10:05am
6 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:10:52am

Sorry for the OT so soon, but has there been any talk yet on Jon Voight's latest speech?

The YouTube critics are goin nuts over his use of the "prophet" "messiah" terminology. I don't think they realize that when Republicans say it, they are mocking liberal/democrat commentators who ACTUALLY believe Obama is their saviour!

Youtube Video
7 J.S.  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:10:58am

According to wiki he also seemed to believe there may have been a link to the Oklahoma city bombing and Iraqis..(sigh...free speech?)

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:11:34am

re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans

The kookery that was so well refined during the 8 years of GW's administration is taking so much less time with Obama and the Right. This does not bode well for the health of our Republic.

As I always remind people, most of these folks cut their teeth on being irrational about Clinton. Then, they watched and got ideas during the Bush years. It's sort of like on Criminal Minds, when the serial killer is 'devolving' and killing at increasingly shorter intervals. We've gotten good at this, and the thrill is fading, so we up the ante.

9 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:12:09am

I don't read it that way

10 J.S.  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:12:21am

re: #5 taxfreekiller

there was frost (below freezing Celsius) last night in Edmonton. Calgary has also seen snow...

11 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:12:21am

The thing is, people keep referring to his speech in Cairo to support these claims that Obama is Muslim, forgetting that Obama will say anything that he believes will sound good to the audience that he is speaking to. Problem is, he doesn't have complete control over the media yet. Therefore these sorts of speeches get heard everywhere, not just by those in front of him.

12 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:12:33am
13 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:12:35am

re: #4 zombie

It seems like he's just using a rhetorical flourish. From the article:

"During his White House years, William Jefferson Clinton -- someone Judge Sonia Sotomayor might call a "white male" -- was dubbed "America's first black president" by a black admirer. Applying the standard of identity politics and pandering to a special interest that earned Mr. Clinton that distinction, Barack Hussein Obama would have to be considered America's first Muslim president.

This is not to say, necessarily, that Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim any more than Mr. Clinton actually is black"

Though he throws doubt in there with the "necessarily," and an inflammatory headline, to appeal to the fearful.

Thing was, I don't think anyone was claiming Clinton was actually, secretly, black.

14 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:12:40am

Secret?

15 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:12:58am

I put it all down to sloppy speech writing, of which there was plenty of evidence quite apart from the examples cited by Gaffney.

16 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:13:16am

re: #1 zombie

Who is Frank Gaffney?

He is well known on the right and a strong supporter of Israel

17 MJ  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:13:44am

Well, if anything, he might be over-doing the Jesus references just a bit:

Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush

...As president, Barack Obama has mentioned Jesus Christ in a number of high-profile public speeches — something his predecessor George W. Bush rarely did in such settings, even though Bush’s Christian faith was at the core of his political identity....

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

18 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:13:53am

The tide may be turning since people surveyed seem to be getting sik of the sekrits....
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

19 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:14:19am

re: #5 taxfreekiller

You guys will be glad tfk is posting this. Arapaho Basin Ski area is closed for the summer.

June 10,2009,,, still lots of snow, but the ski patrol guys need a few days off to rest for the August 15th return of winter.

[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]

That's why they changed it from "Global Warming" to the new phrase "climate chaos." (Seriously, that's the terminology-du-jour among the AGW brigade."

With "climate chaos," any whether pattern whatsoever supports your argument.

20 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:14:24am
... may still be one himself

Speaking theoretically, it's possible.

Applying Occam's Razor, ... Gaffney, you're way out among the leaves at the end of the limb.

/gotta parachute?

21 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:14:45am

Judge Sotomayor is hiding Obama's Kenya Nirth Cirtifikate in her cast! On it says Moslem!

I redz it on the innerwebz in must be troof!

22 Gus  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:14:47am

re: #17 MJ

Well, if anything, he might be over-doing the Jesus references just a bit:

Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Something I already noticed. BTW, I added the Politico article to the spin-off links.

23 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:14:48am

As to the actual thread topic... I think at this point (and always), it wouldn't matter one wit if Obama really was Muslim.

What DOES matter, is that he appears to orient himself with the Muslim way of thinking, attempts to appease Shari'ah-enforcing states, and chooses to make 'defending Islam from stereotypes' (or something like that) one of his foremost duties as President.

All this focus on "is he a muslim? isn't he?" is counter-productive and distracts from they main points.

24 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:15:01am

re: #19 zombie

OMG! The weather changes every season! MAN-MADE CLIMATE CHANGE!

/

25 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:15:03am
26 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:15:09am
27 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:15:27am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

He is well known on the right and a strong supporter of Israel

Hmmmm. Never heard of him before this.

28 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:15:47am

re: #23 Joo-LiZ

As to the actual thread topic... I think at this point (and always), it wouldn't matter one wit if Obama really was Muslim.

What DOES matter, is that he appears to orient himself with the Muslim way of thinking, attempts to appease Shari'ah-enforcing states, and chooses to make 'defending Islam from stereotypes' (or something like that) one of his foremost duties as President.

All this focus on "is he a muslim? isn't he?" is counter-productive and distracts from they main points.

But I don't think Gaffney was saying he is Muslim but exactly what you are saying.

29 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:15:51am

He was born a Muslim.

Which means to Muslims, that he is still a Muslim.


To me?

He ate the sausages with the waffle.

30 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:16:30am

re: #29 Ben Hur

He was born a Muslim.

Which means to Muslims, that he is still a Muslim.

Which was the point of the rhetoric in his speech.

I understand you.

31 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:16:32am

re: #29 Ben Hur

He was born a Muslim.

Which means to Muslims, that he is still a Muslim.

To me?

He ate the sausages with the waffle.

Did he have eggs with his waffle?

/Sorry, that was sooooooooo last thread

32 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:16:39am

re: #1 zombie

Who is Frank Gaffney?

Slightly different from a subtlety-lying Gaffney.

33 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:16:41am

Completely off-topic: just installed Safari 4, and seems to work fine with LGF.

34 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:16:47am

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

With BHO as the unsub, since it can be difficult to decipher his identity from one week to the next....

35 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:16:48am

Gaffney obscures his more serious point with the provocative title.

Whether Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim or simply plays one in the presidency may, in the end, be irrelevant. What is alarming is that in aligning himself and his policies with those of Shariah-adherents such as the Muslim Brotherhood, the president will greatly intensify the already enormous pressure on peaceful, tolerant American Muslims to submit to such forces - and heighten expectations, here and abroad, that the rest of us will do so as well.
36 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:17:31am

re: #29 Ben Hur

He was born a Muslim.

Which means to Muslims, that he is still a Muslim.


To me?

He ate the sausages with the waffle.

Thank you! I'm amazed at the folks I've seen telling me about how he's a Muslim under Muslim law as though that made it so--and I'm thinking, 'and what other parts of Muslim law do you consider binding on an American who identifies himself as Christian?'

37 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:17:48am

re: #27 zombie

Hmmmm. Never heard of him before this.


He is very well known in Jewish Republican circles. I actually find myself disagreeing with him on many issues, but he does stand 100% behind Israel.

38 yma o hyd  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:18:11am

re: #19 zombie

That's why they changed it from "Global Warming" to the new phrase "climate chaos." (Seriously, that's the terminology-du-jour among the AGW brigade."

With "climate chaos," any whether pattern whatsoever supports your argument.

Yep - especially if it rains when you want to have a barbecue - or if its too hot to svelter in an office - or any weather which ahs been reproted for whatever time of year over the centuries, which you personally don't like because it interferes with your personal life!

Next time it rains here and I've left my brollie at home, I shall call it 'weather chaos', too!

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:18:15am

re: #34 tradewind

With BHO as the unsub, since it can be difficult to decipher his identity from one week to the next....

'Fraid in my analogy the American people are the unsub...would it weren't so!

40 MJ  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:18:17am

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

He's not blaming Jesus now for the last eight years, and for for the problems he faces, is he?

Actually, like John Lennon before him , I get the feeling that Obama thinks he's more popular than Jesus now.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:18:32am

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

'Fraid in my analogy the American people are the unsub...would it weren't so!

But at least it's only character assassination.

42 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:18:33am

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

'and what other parts of Muslim law do you consider binding on an American who identifies himself as Christian?'

I know what an Imam would say.

43 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:18:37am

re: #19 zombie

That's why they changed it from "Global Warming" to the new phrase "climate chaos." (Seriously, that's the terminology-du-jour among the AGW brigade."

With "climate chaos," any whether pattern whatsoever supports your argument.

So they are beginning to admit that global climate is a dynamic chaotic system. Quick somebody call James Gleick.

44 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:19:32am

Everyone's missing the most important point.

It's not that he's Muslim.

It's not that he's Christian.

IT'S THAT HE'S NOT JEWISH!

45 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:19:58am

re: #35 jaunte

Gaffney obscures his more serious point with the provocative title.

It may be provocative in some aspects, but it is really just a play on Clinton being the first black President. I think some people are being a tad over sensitive here.

46 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:20:06am

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

Will the opposition to Sotomayor be sotto voce?

Well, it's not their forté to not be pianoissimo.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:20:43am

re: #42 Ben Hur

I know what an Imam would say.

That's to be expected. An Imam has an investment in Muslim law and text. What I don't expect is the same thing from Methodists. (For example.)

48 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:20:54am

re: #43 CyanSnowHawk

So they are beginning to admit that global climate is a dynamic chaotic system. Quick somebody call James Gleick.

[Link: www.e360.yale.edu...]

Interesting interview.

49 JustABill  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:21:05am

re: #10 J.S.

there was frost (below freezing Celsius) last night in Edmonton. Calgary has also seen snow...

Good thing it wasn't below freezing Fahrenheit. That would have been really cold

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:22:02am

re: #45 Nevergiveup

It may be provocative in some aspects, but it is really just a play on Clinton being the first black President. I think some people are being a tad over sensitive here.

I don't know--I'd be more interested in his point if he didn't carefully leave the question open of whether Obama might--still be a Muslim. (cue scary music). What's the point of that?

51 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:22:04am

re: #43 CyanSnowHawk
Wait til they send AlGore to NK.... it'll throw the whole climate change thing into a new level of chaos.
You just know he can get the norks to clean up their carbon footprint....

52 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:22:34am

re: #49 JustABill

Good thing it wasn't below freezing Fahrenheit. That would have been really cold

But 0 seems colder than 32. Must be the wind-chill factor.

53 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:22:38am

re: #37 Nevergiveup

He is very well known in Jewish Republican circles. I actually find myself disagreeing with him on many issues, but he does stand 100% behind Israel.

Agreed. I note that he's an advisor to the International Free Press Society, along with Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant, Daniel Pipes, Roger Scruton and others whose names I can't recall.

54 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:22:46am

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know--I'd be more interested in his point if he didn't carefully leave the question open of whether Obama might--still be a Muslim. (cue scary music). What's the point of that?

I didn't read it that way.

55 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:22:47am

re: #45 Nevergiveup

It may be provocative in some aspects, but it is really just a play on Clinton being the first black President. I think some people are being a tad over sensitive here.

Perhaps you missed this sentence?

... there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.

That's not a "play" on anything. He's very clearly propagating the "sekrit Moslem" theory.

56 latingent  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:22:56am

So he`s half christian and half muslim. So what? My only problem is that he denied his muslim half till after the election.

57 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:23:18am

re: #48 debutaunt

[Link: www.e360.yale.edu...]

Interesting interview.

Thanks for the link. I've been following Dyson for a while now and haven't seen this one yet.

58 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:23:26am
59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:23:32am

re: #44 Ben Hur

Everyone's missing the most important point.

It's not that he's Muslim.

It's not that he's Christian.

IT'S THAT HE'S NOT JEWISH!

(apology up front, this is pretty bad)

And he's elitist too.
So would it would be a positive Change if we could hayseed 'im?

60 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:24:10am

re: #55 Charles

That's not a "play" on anything. He's very clearly propagating the "sekrit Moslem" theory.

Precisely.

61 irongrampa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:24:26am

We hayseeds demand a formal apology.

62 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:24:42am

re: #19 zombie

That's why they changed it from "Global Warming" to the new phrase "climate chaos." (Seriously, that's the terminology-du-jour among the AGW brigade."

With "climate chaos," any whether pattern whatsoever supports your argument.

Heads I win, Tails you lose. Classic leftist tactic.

63 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:25:29am

re: #61 irongrampa

We hayseeds demand a formal apology.

*grovel*

64 MJ  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:25:51am

re: #1 zombie

Who is Frank Gaffney?

Gaffney is the individual who expsoed Grover Norquist's associations with Radical Islamists.

Google it but start here:
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

65 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:25:56am

re: #30 Ben Hur

He was born a Muslim.

Which means to Muslims, that he is still a Muslim.

Which was the point of the rhetoric in his speech.

I understand you.

What always wrily amuses me about the whole "first black president" story is that, according to Kenya's population classification, his father was 1/8 black and 7/8 Luo (which are considered Arabs and are generally Muslim). You and I may see a Luo and a "real" black next to each other and not be able to tell the difference, but apparently it's a big deal for them (think Hutus vs. Tutsis in Rwanda --- we wouldn't be able to tell them apart).

Now since Arabs are considered Caucasian in the USA, this makes him... 15/16 Caucasian.

Zombie was on to something when (s)he said that the REAL embarrassment with any "nirth certifikit" would be if it listed "Caucasian" anywhere...

66 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:25:58am

Breaking: Major bomb blast in Peshawar, Pakistan at a hotel. Multiple casualties reported.

Officials says a huge bomb has exploded at a luxury hotel in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, killing at least five people and wounding 25 others.

Police official Liaqat Ali says gunmen stormed into the Pearl Continental Hotel in the northwestern city on Tuesday night just before "a big bomb went off."

Sahibzada Anis, a top government official in Peshawar, says at least five people were killed and 25 wounded.

67 Rexatosis  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:26:10am

Pres. Obama is what ever is du jour. If today it is a faux Muslim so be it, if tomorrow a faux Christian then he is that. In the end he is what he is to promote a belief in him as the political savior.

68 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:26:47am

re: #53 John Neverbend

Agreed. I note that he's an advisor to the International Free Press Society, along with Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant, Daniel Pipes, Roger Scruton and others whose names I can't recall.

The International Free Press Society has close ties to European fascist party Vlaams Belang. Their website is full of articles supporting the VB, Pro-Koln, the BNP, and other Eurofascist groups.

69 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:26:47am

re: #55 Charles

That's not a "play" on anything. He's very clearly propagating the "sekrit Moslem" theory.

I didn't miss it, but I don't go ballistic over every line in a every columnist's articles. I objected to many of the Things Obama said in that speech. Taken as a whole, I don't think it was Gaffney's greatest article but neither does it put him the fruitcake camp.

70 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:26:50am

Worse, if these rumors be true, Obama is America's first Black Muslim president.

Taking sekrit Morse-code instructions in pig-Arabic from Farrakhan.

71 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:27:00am

A stupid analogy and an even dumber assertion. I usually like Frank's take on things too. Obama is nothing but a PANDERER, can't Frank see that? He will tell the audience what it wants to hear so they will like him. When he speaks to a Muslim audience, he is like this. When he speaks to AIPAC, he is more Kosher than motzaball soup. His APOLOGY Tour to Europe should show everyone what Obama is all about - perceptions. His speech in Cairo had some good points, but looking at it again, it was basically one long ass-kiss of "the Muslim World. All politicians do this on one level or another, but Obama (like Slick Willie before him) is especially good at smooth talking.

72 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:27:19am

re: #56 latingent

So he`s half christian and half muslim. So what? My only problem is that he denied his muslim half till after the election.

Obama panders.

He's want every the current audience wants to gain him vote (at home) or popularity (or popularity aboard).

He translates winning the election and popularity as license to do what he wants. Constitution, law, and process be damned. He won, he's popular!

73 Gus  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:27:41am

re: #53 John Neverbend

Agreed. I note that he's an advisor to the International Free Press Society, along with Mark Steyn, Ezra Levant, Daniel Pipes, Roger Scruton and others whose names I can't recall.

International Free Press Society is also home to Baron Bodissey, Gates of Vienna, BNP supporters, etc.

74 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:28:04am

re: #40 MJ

Actually, like John Lennon before him , I get the feeling that Obama thinks he's more popular than Jesus now.

And that didn't work out too well for John Lennon. It turned a huge part of the American market off from the Beatles. A bad business gaffe...

75 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:28:09am

re: #44 Ben Hur
Just wait..... BHO is bound to discover that one of his far-back relatives was the first Jewish settler in Kansas........

76 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:29:05am

re: #71 Desert Dog

A stupid analogy and an even dumber assertion. I usually like Frank's take on things too. Obama is nothing but a PANDERER, can't Frank see that? He will tell the audience what it wants to hear so they will like him. When he speaks to a Muslim audience, he is like this. When he speaks to AIPAC, he is more Kosher than motzaball soup. His APOLOGY Tour to Europe should show everyone what Obama is all about - perceptions. His speech in Cairo had some good points, but looking at it again, it was basically one long ass-kiss of "the Muslim World. All politicians do this on one level or another, but Obama (like Slick Willie before him) is especially good at smooth talking.

Oh my goodness, so, he's a sekreat panderer.
/

77 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:29:20am

re: #71 Desert Dog
karma chamaeleon.

78 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:29:41am

re: #71 Desert Dog

But the important point is both Clinton and Obama's pandering and being all things to all people puts This Country at risk.

79 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:30:00am

re: #5 taxfreekiller

You guys will be glad tfk is posting this. Arapaho Basin Ski area is closed for the summer.

June 10,2009,,, still lots of snow, but the ski patrol guys need a few days off to rest for the August 15th return of winter.

[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]

I used to ski there all the time! This is the place you see "bikini skiing" in May & June. Usually one of the first to open up and the last to close. A great area!

80 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:30:08am

re: #70 Cato the Elder

pig-Arabic

Heh.

81 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:30:15am

Pres. Obama is whatever is most politically advantageous to be.

82 gmsc  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:30:32am
For a “sekrit Moslem,” Obama sure does talk a lot about being a Christian: Barack Obama invokes Jesus more than George W. Bush.

Of course! This is how he's trying to cover up the secret! The Dems aren't mad at him for invoking Jesus because they know he really doesn't mean it!

//////

83 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:30:35am

re: #78 Nevergiveup

But the important point is both Clinton and Obama's pandering and being all things to all people puts This Country at risk.

And others at risk, such as Israel.

84 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:30:43am
85 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:31:42am

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

That should be comment 86.

86 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:31:45am

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

/Somehow I get the feeling that Israel is not depending on the US for their national security/

87 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:32:08am

I wouldn't worry about this guy and his seekret stuff. I would be more worried about the "God" comments myself. Now that is truly delusional IMO.

88 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #81 snowcrash

Pres. Obama is whatever is most politically advantageous to be.

Whatever the polls and focus groups tell him

89 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:32:22am

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

What's really disturbing about learning that we are under attack by KAOS is that it shows Maxwell Smart really knew what's what.

Maxwell Smart: I think it's only fair to warn you, this facility is surrounded by a highly trained team of 130 Black Op Snipers.
Siegfried: I don't believe you.
Maxwell Smart: Would you believe two dozen Delta Force Commandos?
Siegfried: No.
Maxwell Smart: How about Chuck Norris with a BB gun?

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:32:31am

re: #65 Former Belgian

What always wrily amuses me about the whole "first black president" story is that, according to Kenya's population classification, his father was 1/8 black and 7/8 Luo (which are considered Arabs and are generally Muslim). You and I may see a Luo and a "real" black next to each other and not be able to tell the difference, but apparently it's a big deal for them (think Hutus vs. Tutsis in Rwanda --- we wouldn't be able to tell them apart).

Now since Arabs are considered Caucasian in the USA, this makes him... 15/16 Caucasian.

Zombie was on to something when (s)he said that the REAL embarrassment with any "nirth certifikit" would be if it listed "Caucasian" anywhere...

He's never denied being biracial. Quite the opposite.

I have to admit, it will mean something special to me when the first American of formerly-enslaved, Yoruba, been-in-America-since-1680 ancestry is elected, and I can see that being African-American is sort of a chosen ethnicity for Obama, but he's black enough for government work, so to speak. I don't go around criticizing other people's ideas about their ethnicity, and I ask that they leave mine about mine alone.

91 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:33:11am

Even Crazy Pam doesn't push the Nirth Certifikit stuff like she used too. Just plain stupid.

92 gmsc  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:33:22am

re: #77 tradewind

karma chamaeleon.

Youtube Video
93 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:33:29am

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you! I'm amazed at the folks I've seen telling me about how he's a Muslim under Muslim law as though that made it so--and I'm thinking, 'and what other parts of Muslim law do you consider binding on an American who identifies himself as Christian?'

Correct but besides the point. For you and I, 0bama may be a Christian of sorts, but from the point of view of Shariah he will always remain a Muslim because of his father, no matter how often and vocally he protests.

The real fun starts when you have a Muslim father and a Jewish mother: you are simultaneously a member of both religions for life, even if you convert to Catholicism, Mormonism, Pastafarianism, or Big Toe Worship. There are a few cases like that here.

94 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:33:44am

re: #86 tradewind

/Somehow I get the feeling that Israel is not depending on the US for their national security/

I am in no way suggesting they are. But having Obama talking and saying things like he has right there, in the middle east, apologizing and all that, it will put Israel in more danger.

95 Mr. E. Train  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:33:54am

By the strict reading of Islamic law, Islamic scholars would consider Obama to be a Muslim.

I dont care. The man identifies himself as Christian and there is no reason to not accept that.

It isnt his religion that worries me, its his politics and policies. I dont care if he's this or that faith, its the fact that he's a raging socialist that frightens me.

96 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:34:28am

I would stop short of callling the President a muslim. I would not stop short of saying he seems to be bending over backwards to identify with and please the so called muslim world. Does that make him a muslim? Of course not. But it does make him potentially more malleable to the cause of hamas, et al due to his desire to appease the radicals in the muslim world?

Decide for yourself based on his actions in the months and years. By the way, does anyone know which DC area church he has chosen as his regular house of worship?

97 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:34:38am

re: #19 zombie

With "climate chaos," any whether pattern whatsoever supports your argument.

Weather or not that's true remains to be seen.

98 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:34:50am
99 JustABill  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:34:53am

re: #65 Former Belgian

What always wrily amuses me about the whole "first black president" story is that, according to Kenya's population classification, his father was 1/8 black and 7/8 Luo (which are considered Arabs and are generally Muslim). You and I may see a Luo and a "real" black next to each other and not be able to tell the difference, but apparently it's a big deal for them (think Hutus vs. Tutsis in Rwanda --- we wouldn't be able to tell them apart).

Now since Arabs are considered Caucasian in the USA, this makes him... 15/16 Caucasian.

Zombie was on to something when (s)he said that the REAL embarrassment with any "nirth certifikit" would be if it listed "Caucasian" anywhere...

Come on now, everybody here knows there never was any other nirht certificate than what has already been seen. (My karma proves it...)

100 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:34:57am

re: #68 Charles

The International Free Press Society has close ties to European fascist party Vlaams Belang. Their website is full of articles supporting the VB, Pro-Koln, the BNP, and other Eurofascist groups.

If this is true, the names I've mentioned ought to have nothing to do with the society. This came up for discussion yesterday, after I first encountered their website. The pity is that the aims of the society seem to me to be not unreasonable, but it appears that they've allied themselves with the wrong people, perhaps following the idea of "my enemy's enemy is my friend."

101 saberry0530  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:35:14am

OT The Slim Jim Factory in North Carolina just blew up 20 injured, 3 missing

102 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:35:33am

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

As I always remind people, most of these folks cut their teeth on being irrational about Clinton. Then, they watched and got ideas during the Bush years. It's sort of like on Criminal Minds, when the serial killer is 'devolving' and killing at increasingly shorter intervals. We've gotten good at this, and the thrill is fading, so we up the ante.

The Left bashed Reagan mercilessly, the Left took lessons during Clinton and refined the dross during GW. Now the Right returns the "favor" once again.

Is all we are up to doing is assigning blame and letting the kookery run rampant?

No matter what the causes, the disease of hyper-political partisanship is not good for the health of the Republic.

103 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:35:40am

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Even Crazy Pam doesn't push the Nirth Certifikit stuff like she used too. Just plain stupid.

Ron Paul Attracts The Muslim Vote (is he a secret Muslim)... oh my, a link...

[Link: swordattheready.wordpress.com...]

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:35:59am

re: #93 Former Belgian

Correct but besides the point. For you and I, 0bama may be a Christian of sorts, but from the point of view of Shariah he will always remain a Muslim because of his father, no matter how often and vocally he protests.

The real fun starts when you have a Muslim father and a Jewish mother: you are simultaneously a member of both religions for life, even if you convert to Catholicism, Mormonism, Pastafarianism, or Big Toe Worship. There are a few cases like that here.

I really think you miss my point. I'm talking about American conservatives, on this list, who reference Shariah to prove that Obama is a Muslim, and ONLY that Obama is a Muslim. Because they don't like Obama. They would never do this in the case of an actual Muslim who converted to Christianity. The disconnect annoys me.

I know a few folks with Jewish moms and Muslim dads, but they're all Israeli, and fairly secular, so they don't seem to be bothered.

105 gmsc  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:35:59am

re: #19 zombie

That's why they changed it from "Global Warming" to the new phrase "climate chaos." (Seriously, that's the terminology-du-jour among the AGW brigade."

With "climate chaos," any whether pattern whatsoever supports your argument.

WEATHER/WETHER/WHETHER

106 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:36:09am

re: #96 _RememberTonyC

I would stop short of callling the President a muslim. I would not stop short of saying he seems to be bending over backwards to identify with and please the so called muslim world. [...]

So-called? You mean they're really sekrit Buddhists?

107 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:36:10am

Frankly, the Sooper Sekrit Muslim fantasy doesn't bother me as much as the "Spend the Treasury Dry" reality!

108 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:36:24am

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

I am in no way suggesting they are. But having Obama talking and saying things like he has right there, in the middle east, apologizing and all that, it will put Israel in more danger.

I'm a pretty big Zionist, but Israel is VERY depended upon the USA for it's ultimate National Security in so many ways. It is unfortunate in many ways it has come to that, and many have augured over the years that Israel should try and become less dependent, but it is what it is.

109 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:36:53am

re: #92 gmsc

I wasn't about to inflict that on the thread, but since you mention it....
:)

110 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:37:27am

re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Left bashed Reagan mercilessly, the Left took lessons during Clinton and refined the dross during GW. Now the Right returns the "favor" once again.

Is all we are up to doing is assigning blame and letting the kookery run rampant?

No matter what the causes, the disease of hyper-political partisanship is not good for the health of the Republic.

Upding and a virtual martini for that man!

111 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:37:41am

Barack Hussein Obama , a Christian, identifies with Islam.
Naturally he does, and he should, too.
After all, his own daddy was a Muslim and he went to a Muslim school in a Muslim country.
No problem, no sekrits, other than of his own making.

112 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:37:59am

Over 100, Time for an OT

OK all you SUV drivers and A/C users and "energy users". I hope you are happy now. You have KILLED NESSIE! You Bastards!

Despite having hundreds of sonar contacts over the years, the trail has since gone cold and Rines believes that Nessie may be dead, a victim of global warming.

He still wants to check almost 100 contacts on the floor of the loch, believing one may be the monster's remains.

113 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #79 Desert Dog

I used to ski there all the time! This is the place you see "bikini skiing" in May & June.

This is useless without pictures.

114 Mr. E. Train  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:38:17am

I look forward to the day that we elect a President that attends the church of Bob the Sub-Genius!

115 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:38:21am

Fascinating video posted over at NewsBusters:

Frank's video is shocking for its revelation of how Bush was slapped around and how every economic indicator during his tenure in the White House was deemed as obvious proof of the supposed though times we then faced. Yet now, every dismal indicator is celebrated as if recovery just around the corner. Under Bush the Old Media was sure the economy was a wreck, now the wreck proves we will surely be saved by Summer!

116 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:38:25am

re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Left bashed Reagan mercilessly, the Left took lessons during Clinton and refined the dross during GW. Now the Right returns the "favor" once again.

Is all we are up to doing is assigning blame and letting the kookery run rampant?

No matter what the causes, the disease of hyper-political partisanship is not good for the health of the Republic.

Kookery will be covered under comprehensive Obamacare.

117 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:38:27am

Anti-Americanism or warped patriotism?
Rush Limbaugh calling for boycott of GM products

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:38:34am

re: #112 Desert Dog

Over 100, Time for an OT

OK all you SUV drivers and A/C users and "energy users". I hope you are happy now. You have KILLED NESSIE! You Bastards!

Despite having hundreds of sonar contacts over the years, the trail has since gone cold and Rines believes that Nessie may be dead, a victim of global warming.

He still wants to check almost 100 contacts on the floor of the loch, believing one may be the monster's remains.

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

119 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:38:54am

re: #106 Cato the Elder

Not Buddhists.... Sekrits keep you Sikh.

120 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:39:28am

re: #112 Desert Dog

Over 100, Time for an OT

OK all you SUV drivers and A/C users and "energy users". I hope you are happy now. You have KILLED NESSIE! You Bastards!

Despite having hundreds of sonar contacts over the years, the trail has since gone cold and Rines believes that Nessie may be dead, a victim of global warming.

He still wants to check almost 100 contacts on the floor of the loch, believing one may be the monster's remains.

That's rich now isn't it? Global warming has caused the extinction of something that was never proven. Crazy son-of-a-bitches.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:39:44am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Anti-Americanism or warped patriotism?
Rush Limbaugh calling for boycott of GM products

It's just Rush. You know the ideas you come up with at a party at three in the morning when you've been drinking, and you're with buddies, and anything seems like a good idea? Rush remembers them the next day, and gets working on them.

122 saberry0530  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:39:45am

re: #112 Desert Dog

Over 100, Time for an OT

OK all you SUV drivers and A/C users and "energy users". I hope you are happy now. You have KILLED NESSIE! You Bastards!

Despite having hundreds of sonar contacts over the years, the trail has since gone cold and Rines believes that Nessie may be dead, a victim of global warming.

He still wants to check almost 100 contacts on the floor of the loch, believing one may be the monster's remains.

Can I mount it on my wall?

123 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:40:02am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Anti-Americanism or warped patriotism?
Rush Limbaugh calling for boycott of GM products

Or maybe effective?

124 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:40:03am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Anti-Americanism or warped patriotism?
Rush Limbaugh calling for boycott of GM products

So boycotts are bad now?

Could you stop being so partial and start being partisan, KT? ////

125 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:40:04am

re: #65 Former Belgian

What always wrily amuses me about the whole "first black president" story is that, according to Kenya's population classification, his father was 1/8 black and 7/8 Luo (which are considered Arabs and are generally Muslim). You and I may see a Luo and a "real" black next to each other and not be able to tell the difference, but apparently it's a big deal for them (think Hutus vs. Tutsis in Rwanda --- we wouldn't be able to tell them apart).

I think this info is incorrect, per another half-Luo person:

My first instinct is to call Bravo Sierra on this story, since it’s most likely an ever-mutating product of the malignant imagination of a guy named Kenneth Lamb who saw fit to make up lies about my tribe—the same tribe that Obama stems from. Lamb claims that our tribe is an Arab tribe. Yes, really. The goal in creating this fiction is to refute the idea that Obama, whose mother was a white American, is a “legal” “African American,” whatever the heck that is. (I suppose that, by this logic, I am half “African American” since my mother is a black American.)
See the guy on the right? That’s my father, journalist Philip Ochieng, a Kenyan Luo like the senior Barack Obama. The two were also friends (something which Father's beginning to rue since he's being inundated by American media requests of late). Does he look like an Arab to you?

Obama has produced so many gaffes—both about his personal life and about American history—that I’m beginning to wonder whether anything he says is something which he hasn’t learned rote from a script. However, allowing this fantasy about the Luo tribe--one born of ignorance regarding African countries--to mix in with real, live concrete issues regarding a prospective Barack Obama presidency hurts the opposition to that candidacy. That it p*sses me off is beside the point.

Make no mistake, Lamb’s novella is the origin of these rumors.

126 brookly red  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:40:21am

re: #116 acwgusa

Kookery will be covered under comprehensive Obamacare.

/ as will be "descent disorder" ;)

127 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:40:54am

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

but he's black enough for government work, so to speak.

I like that expression. And if the reverse-racist obscenity known as "affirmative action" were done away with, I wouldn't care less what people self-identified as.

Read Thomas Sowell's "Affirmative action around the world" for some very interesting observations, e.g. on the messes this has wrought in India. (There it's castes, not races.)

128 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:40:55am
UPDATE at 6/9/09 10:21:01 am:

For a “sekrit Moslem,” Obama sure does talk a lot about being a Christian:

A Christian that's part of Rev Jerimiah Wright's flock, no less.

/What exactly is the difference between Wright and Nashrallah again?

129 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #106 Cato the Elder

So-called? You mean they're really sekrit Buddhists?


nope ... but there is no monolithic muslim world, as the Prez appears to believe. so any description of such an imaginary entity should be labeled "so called."

130 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:03am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

So boycotts are bad now?

Could you stop being so partial and start being partisan, KT? ////

If it's not for Killgore's benefit, YES, bad boycott bad.

131 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:03am

Just wait until Mit is President!

Booga Booga!

132 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

So boycotts are bad now?

Could you stop being so partial impartial and start being partisan, KT? ////

*SIGH* PIMF.

133 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:07am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

I thought GM was one of his sponsors. Did they pull their ads?

134 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:16am

re: #115 Joo-LiZ

Fascinating video posted over at NewsBusters:

We are in fact in a depression and no one is using that word. If Bush was still in it would be 24/7 front page. A depression is where real GDP drops by 10% or more. Just in the last two quarters we have lost over 12%, and this goes back to late 2007 according to the experts. It will get worse before it gets better.

135 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:24am

re: #105 gmsc

WEATHER/WETHER/WHETHER

Whether a wether enjoys the weather depends on whether the weather is raining on the wether.

Clear?

136 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:36am

re: #131 Ben Hur

Just wait until Mit is President!

Booga Booga!

A chicken in every pot and 4 wives in every bedroom!

137 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:47am

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

That's rich now isn't it? Global warming has caused the extinction of something that was never proven. Crazy son-of-a-bitches.

I just hope and pray Bigfoot is still safe.

138 Gus  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:41:57am

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

I really think you miss my point. I'm talking about American conservatives, on this list, who reference Shariah to prove that Obama is a Muslim, and ONLY that Obama is a Muslim. Because they don't like Obama. They would never do this in the case of an actual Muslim who converted to Christianity. The disconnect annoys me.

I know a few folks with Jewish moms and Muslim dads, but they're all Israeli, and fairly secular, so they don't seem to be bothered.

I find it interesting that conservatives would apply Sharia law to argue that Obama is a Muslim. Seems like a contradiction. One would think that they would apply US law and the law of common sense but I'm afraid that's asking for too much.

139 fish  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:21am

I agree with the first part of what Gafney said. Obama is just as Muslim as Clinton was black.

140 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #101 saberry0530

OT The Slim Jim Factory in North Carolina just blew up 20 injured, 3 missing

I'm sure some Lizard will scour the LLL blogs for ugly comments considering who would normally be associated with Slim Jims.

141 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #128 Fenway_Nation

A Christian that's part of Rev Jerimiah Wright's flock, no less.

/What exactly is the difference between Wright and Nashrallah again?

I think Wright might be a Cub's Fan?

142 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:40am

re: #136 sattv4u2

A chicken in every pot and 4 wives in every bedroom!

Sounds like a promise from Osama b., but that would be a goat roasting.

143 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:44am

re: #137 Desert Dog

I just hope and pray Bigfoot is still safe.

It is my understanding that Big Foot dines on unicorns

144 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:53am

Gaffney has taken a number of genuinely VERY troubling points regarding the Cairo speech (and Obama's posture toward "the Muslim world"), and then, unfortunately, muddied the waters with the sekrit muzlim hogwash. (And Charles, *I* believe the correct incorrect spelling is sekrit muzlim, thank you very much!)

And as someone famously observed, if you take 3 parts ice cream and mix it with 1 part dog crap, the result will end up tasting a lot more like the latter than the former. Sorry, Mr. Gaffney, that's just how it is.

145 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:55am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

Limbaugh, who thinks global warming is bogus, says the boycott is meant to stop people from "patronizing Obama" (which is kind of funny if you're a word geek) and to make sure that Obama's policies fail. Limbaugh says he doesn't have anything against GM, but added that, if the government needs to come in and run it, "could we just admit that it's failed?"

It seems kind of odd to try to hurt the company just because Obama bailed them out. If they fail we don't get our money back. Sinking the company would only hurt the country.

146 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:55am

re: #113 Mad Al-Jaffee

This is useless without pictures.

Looking, looking.....

147 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:42:56am

re: #137 Desert Dog

I just hope and pray Bigfoot is still safe.

And the Goat Man!

148 Joo-LiZ  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:43:15am

re: #134 JohnnyReb

We are in fact in a depression and no one is using that word. If Bush was still in it would be 24/7 front page. A depression is where real GDP drops by 10% or more. Just in the last two quarters we have lost over 12%, and this goes back to late 2007 according to the experts. It will get worse before it gets better.

The video shows how the news was reported with Bush in power... "Economy indicator went UP! But life is miserable for the unemployed" and with Obama it's the exact inverse... "Economy indicator went DOWN! but it's okay, the recession is almost over! ... almost!"

149 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:43:23am

re: #140 Ben Hur
Oh come on.... who's gonna slam RC Cola?

150 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:43:23am

re: #129 _RememberTonyC

nope ... but there is no monolithic muslim world, as the Prez appears to believe. so any description of such an imaginary entity should be labeled "so called."

You're the one who added the word "monolithic". I didn't see it in the speech or the press release. Quite the opposite, in fact.

So glad you're not writing my lexica.

151 irongrampa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:43:38am

Don't much care about scripts implying secret religious leanings concerning this president. Part that bothers me is all the policies put forth, and the legislation ALREADY passed hasn't made EVERYONE poke their heads up and ask WTF?

This cannot end well.

152 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:43:42am

re: #112 Desert Dog

Over 100, Time for an OT

OK all you SUV drivers and A/C users and "energy users". I hope you are happy now. You have KILLED NESSIE! You Bastards!

Despite having hundreds of sonar contacts over the years, the trail has since gone cold and Rines believes that Nessie may be dead, a victim of global warming.

He still wants to check almost 100 contacts on the floor of the loch, believing one may be the monster's remains.

That's a shame. She was head and neck above the other monsters.

153 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:43:42am

re: #100 John Neverbend

If this is true, the names I've mentioned ought to have nothing to do with the society.

It's definitely true. All you have to do is take a look at their website. They also published several hit pieces against me when I exposed the neo-Nazi connections of Pro-Koln.

154 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:44:22am

FYI re the explosion at the Pearl Continental Hotel in Peshawar, BBC and Dawn don't have more than the very barest details yet, and the Peshawar Frontier Post doesn't have a thing on it.

155 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #133 jaunte

I thought GM was one of his sponsors. Did they pull their ads?

Good point. I'm sure they've advertised with him in the past. I think they really cut back their advertising recently so they might not have ads with him at the moment.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:44:24am

re: #128 Fenway_Nation

A Christian that's part of Rev Jerimiah Wright's flock, no less.

/What exactly is the difference between Wright and Nashrallah again?

I don't think Wright's church fires missiles at anything. At least not literally. Also, his lady followers are more stylishly dressed, and wear nice hats.

157 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:44:35am

I drive a GM SUV. Last vehicle was a GM Suburban. Never again will I buy a GM product. I don't need Limbaugh to call for a boycott. I will not buy any product from a company that has the govt as a business partner. Recipe for failure.

158 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:44:37am

re: #140 Ben Hur

I'm sure some Lizard will scour the LLL blogs for ugly comments considering who would normally be associated with Slim Jims.


I love slim jims ... bring it, beyotches!

159 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:44:43am

re: #145 Killgore Trout

If they fail we don't get our money back.


As if.

160 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:44:46am

re: #1 zombie

Frank Gaffney is a well-known national security neocon who started out on the staff of Democratic hawk and U.S. Senator Scoop Jackson. He later worked in the Reagan Administration on national security matters.

He created a neocon national security think tank known as the Center for Security Policy. Here's the wiki link:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In general, he's been a solid conservative and pro-Israel. It's distressing to see him take this tack. Center for Security Policy must be struggling.

161 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:44:56am

re: #111 Spare O'Lake

Barack Hussein Obama , a Christian, identifies with Islam.
Naturally he does, and he should, too.
After all, his own daddy was a Muslim and he went to a Muslim school in a Muslim country.
No problem, no sekrits, other than of his own making.

The ideas put out in Gaffney's article make me think of the novel that I'm currently reading. One of the main characters is a financial fraudster who comes to Britain from Europe. People speculate as to his religious beliefs, "accusing him" of being Jewish (it's set in Victorian England when it was ok to think like that) then deciding that he's a staunch Protestant and then a Catholic. The ambiguity is deliberately cultivated by the fraudster who is also standing for election to parliament and who wants to gain as many votes as possible.

162 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:45:06am

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Do not put words in my mouth, EVER AGAIN; real shitty quote tactic, KT. I stand by what I say, and repudiate what I don't.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:45:16am

re: #127 Former Belgian

I like that expression. And if the reverse-racist obscenity known as "affirmative action" were done away with, I wouldn't care less what people self-identified as.

Read Thomas Sowell's "Affirmative action around the world" for some very interesting observations, e.g. on the messes this has wrought in India. (There it's castes, not races.)

I'd be interested in seeing that. I've only read a couple of columns of Sowell's, but I've been hearing his work recommended.

164 ExCamelJockey  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:45:25am

re: #23 Joo-LiZ

As to the actual thread topic... I think at this point (and always), it wouldn't matter one wit if Obama really was Muslim.

What DOES matter, is that he appears to orient himself with the Muslim way of thinking, attempts to appease Shari'ah-enforcing states, and chooses to make 'defending Islam from stereotypes' (or something like that) one of his foremost duties as President.

All this focus on "is he a muslim? isn't he?" is counter-productive and distracts from they main points.

/exactly

Obama doesn't need to be categorized as a Christian or Muslim. His actions are what matter. Obama was raised in a Muslim country, raised by a Muslim father, attended a Muslim school and has a Muslim name. Did people who voted for him actually think that he wasn't going to be sympathetic towards Muslims just because he claims to be a Christian?

And yes, the "I promise unshakeable commitment towards Israel if elected" Koolaid did have a little Chamberlain/Hitler ring to it.

165 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:45:40am

re: #157 snowcrash

I drive a GM SUV. Last vehicle was a GM Suburban. Never again will I buy a GM product. I don't need Limbaugh to call for a boycott. I will not buy any product from a company that has the govt as a business partner. Recipe for failure.

And it's doubtful they will be making the kinda cars you want to buy

166 CommonCents  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:45:51am

I love the Politico link. Obama invokes Jesus....in a muslim context. Which is not the same interpretation as how Christians envision Jesus.

In his speech Thursday in Cairo, Obama told the crowd that he is a Christian and mentioned the Islamic story of Isra, in which Moses, Jesus and Mohammed joined in prayer.

And in vote pandering...

More than four months into the Obama presidency, a picture is emerging of a chief executive who is comfortable with public displays of his religion

Tony Perkins, calls it

"a facade that covers over a lot of policies that are anti-Christian.” That includes, in his view, Obama’s stance in favor of abortion rights.

If you want to wear the label, you need to walk the talk.

167 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

That's rich now isn't it? Global warming has caused the extinction of something that was never proven. Crazy son-of-a-bitches.

I won't buy GW until they can prove that the Abominable Snowman is dead.
/

168 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:46:18am

re: #162 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do not put words in my mouth, EVER AGAIN;


Uhhh...that was a quote from the Rush article. Lighten up, Francis.

169 3 Sigma E  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:46:21am

I'm basically just reiterating things said here, but the question shouldn't be whether or not Obama is a Muslim -- Frankly, I've known pro-Zionist Muslims in my time and it didn't make them any less Muslim than a pro-Zionist Christian would be less Christian.

Nor does it matter if Obama uses Islamic formulations. He's playing to a Muslim audience and it bothers me no less than if he use Jewish formulations in a speech to a Jewish audience.

It's a question of is policies and beliefs ... and that is what is worrisome.

170 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:46:31am

re: #157 snowcrash

I've bought and driven GM vehicles from 1992 to 2007; I think I've done enough supporting of the company.

171 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:46:34am

I don't accept Black Liberation Theology as a legitimate branch of Christiantiy, so regardless of what Obama calls himself, I don't know that he is a Christian or that he isn't. His former church is not evidence that he is, however.

Observing him, I'm not sure he's grounded in anything, spiritually speaking. It seems that he is whatever benefits him at the moment.

172 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:46:49am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

GM is a major advertiser on Limbaugh's show. For that reason, I doubt that this is being reported correctly unless the Obama Administration has yanked those ads. If there's an Obama Enemies List, Limbaugh likely is on it.

173 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:46:52am

re: #150 Cato the Elder

You're the one who added the word "monolithic". I didn't see it in the speech or the press release. Quite the opposite, in fact.

So glad you're not writing my lexica.

i added that word to be more specific in making my point. apparently you would rather than change the subject than attempt to understand my point. your problem, not mine.

174 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:46:59am

re: #145 Killgore Trout

It seems kind of odd to try to hurt the company just because Obama bailed them out. If they fail we don't get our money back. Sinking the company would only hurt the country.

GM has already failed, even with the billions in bailout. They declared bankruptcy.

175 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:47:07am

re: #155 Killgore Trout

they really cut back their advertising recently

One of the Car Czars mandates to 'save" money

Cut advertising!
Worked every time for me when I had my own small retail businesses!

/////

176 doubter4444  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:47:17am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

So boycotts are bad now?

Could you stop being so partial and start being partisan, KT? ////

Both

177 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:47:24am

To address the 'Muslim World' is idiotic. It plays right into the extremist's narrative. What about the atheists who happen to live there? What about the agnostics and the secularists and the rock-n-rollers that live there in great numbers? These people are 'muslim' because they are accounted as such by the political tyranny that rules them.

178 laZardo  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:47:42am

Headin to bed. Someone caught swine flu at college so they suspended classes till Saturday. :3 Nighty!

179 avanti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:47:49am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Anti-Americanism or warped patriotism?
Rush Limbaugh calling for boycott of GM products

That makes sense coming from Rush if you follow the logic. If GM fails, 100,000's will lose their jobs, it'll hurt the economy, Obama will get the blame and Rush gets his wish that the POTUS fails. Maybe he should suggest that everyone should stop spending and pull out of the market to speed up Obama's failure. /s

180 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:04am

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Uhhh...that was a quote from the Rush article. Lighten up, Francis.

Yes sir, Sargeant Hulka!

181 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:05am

re: #153 Charles

It's definitely true. All you have to do is take a look at their website. They also published several hit pieces against me when I exposed the neo-Nazi connections of Pro-Koln.

I noticed that on their site this morning and found it to be singularly offensive, and a rather large nail in their coffin. I'm still surprised at the composition of their advisory board, however.

182 Mr. E. Train  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:06am

Decades ago Will Buckley chased the kooks out of the party, making it stronger and relevant. The result was the Reagan revolution with its attendant Reagan Democrats.

We need another Buckley to chase out the latest crop of kooks. Ah Will, where are ya when we need ya?

183 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:07am

re: #154 pre-Boomer Marine brat

FYI re the explosion at the Pearl Continental Hotel in Peshawar, BBC and Dawn don't have more than the very barest details yet, and the Peshawar Frontier Post doesn't have a thing on it.

The International News has the most of anybody at the moment

184 ihateronpaul  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:23am

this whole "bill clinton was the first black president hur hur" crap is spouted by rush limbaugh constantly

185 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:32am

re: #169 3 Sigma E

I'm basically just reiterating things said here, but the question shouldn't be whether or not Obama is a Muslim -- Frankly, I've known pro-Zionist Muslims in my time and it didn't make them any less Muslim than a pro-Zionist Christian would be less Christian.

Nor does it matter if Obama uses Islamic formulations. He's playing to a Muslim audience and it bothers me no less than if he use Jewish formulations in a speech to a Jewish audience.

It's a question of is policies and beliefs ... and that is what is worrisome.


I gave you your first upding..Welcome hatchling!
Now go and sin no more..
/

186 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:45am

re: #164 ExCamelJockey

His actions are more consistent with his how his mother raised, how his mentor trained him how those he sought in college and life influenced him.

That is more consistent during his life than the influence of Islam.

187 laZardo  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:49am

re: #178 laZardo

Headin to bed. Someone caught swine flu at college so they suspended classes till Saturday. :3 Nighty!

Correction... till the 18th.

188 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:50am

re: #149 tradewind

Oh come on.... who's gonna slam RC Cola?

Or Moon Pies

189 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:48:55am

re: #129 _RememberTonyC

nope ... but there is no monolithic muslim world, as the Prez appears to believe. so any description of such an imaginary entity should be labeled "so called."

I like how for the benefit of the Prez's speech in Cairo, the MSM treated the entire Muslim world as this monolithic entity- from chic, cosmopolitan miniskirt wearing Muslimahs in Sarajevo to the most mysogynist, primitive, backwards and violent RPG-toting al-Shabaab militiaman in Mogadishu.

/Guess they're supposed to be treated as equals.

190 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:49:10am

re: #17 MJ

Well, if anything, he might be over-doing the Jesus references just a bit:

Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I'd hardly call exclaiming, "Jesus Christ!" every time there's another "distraction" an invocation.

/

191 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:49:32am

He may be the new chocolate caliph, but we know who Obama worships, every time he passes a mirror. In this, he is just like most any other politicians.

192 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:49:36am
For a “sekrit Moslem,” Obama sure does talk a lot about being a Christian: Barack Obama invokes Jesus more than George W. Bush.

Of course he does.

Because, as a minority, he can.

The left has a problem with it unless it's an ethnic minority receiving a reward, accomplishes something in sport.

How long would actors last in Hollywood if the first thing they did is thank G-d and Jesus or both when winning an Oscar?

They'd be considered loons, or at the wrong award ceremony -CMTA, they don't watch anyway.

193 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:49:39am

re: #160 quickjustice

He is a sharp guy and is usually right on top of things. This one is too much though. He just flushed his credibility down the drain.

194 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:49:42am

re: #171 capitalist piglet

I don't accept Black Liberation Theology as a legitimate branch of Christiantiy, so regardless of what Obama calls himself, I don't know that he is a Christian or that he isn't. His former church is not evidence that he is, however.

Observing him, I'm not sure he's grounded in anything, spiritually speaking. It seems that he is whatever benefits him at the moment.

He worships himself. "We are the ones we've been waiting for" means him. Creeps me out like nothing else.

195 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:49:52am

re: #161 John Neverbend

The ideas put out in Gaffney's article make me think of the novel that I'm currently reading. One of the main characters is a financial fraudster who comes to Britain from Europe. People speculate as to his religious beliefs, "accusing him" of being Jewish (it's set in Victorian England when it was ok to think like that) then deciding that he's a staunch Protestant and then a Catholic. The ambiguity is deliberately cultivated by the fraudster who is also standing for election to parliament and who wants to gain as many votes as possible.

Hmmm...that sounds like Anthony Trollope? Is it The Way We Live Now? (Just sounds familiar.)

196 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:49:53am

re: #172 quickjustice

GM is a major advertiser on Limbaugh's show. For that reason, I doubt that this is being reported correctly unless the Obama Administration has yanked those ads. If there's an Obama Enemies List, Limbaugh likely is on it.

Hmmm.....Here's the transcript.....
Rasmussen: Strong Disapproval of Obama Rises; 24% to Boycott GM

It is the topic of that segment. Reading now to see if there's some nuance here or a misquote.....

197 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:49:53am

re: #188 Son of the Black Dog

Or Moon Pies

Or tuna fish sandwiches. Or hot water heaters. Or tumping things over.

198 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:50:26am

re: #184 ihateronpaul

this whole "bill clinton was the first black president hur hur" crap is spouted by rush limbaugh constantly

It didn't come from Limbaugh, it came from Toni Morrison ,,, a BLACK woman

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

199 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:50:44am

off to work folks ...

BBL

200 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:50:52am

re: #97 Cato the Elder

Weather or not that's true remains to be seen.

I know, I made an embarrassing typo, but it's too late to retract it!

For the record:

weather = rain an' stuff
whether = kinda like "if"

201 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:50:55am

re: #138 Gus 802

I find it interesting that conservatives would apply Sharia law to argue that Obama is a Muslim. Seems like a contradiction. One would think that they would apply US law and the law of common sense but I'm afraid that's asking for too much.

Actually, if he were to do the right thing on defending the West against Islamic terrorism despite his ancestry, I would be absolutely delighted, also to see some heads explode (figuratively).

And actually, there was another president (not of M. ancestry) who pulled a surrealistically high percentage of the Muslim vote in 2000 (enough that it may have tipped Florida and thus the election), and was thought to be "useful" to Arab interests... until 9/11 came along. Yes, I am talking about Bush 43.

So no, I am not ruling out that a number of Arab characters are gonna be in for a reeeeeeeaaaalll disappointment.

202 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:51:15am

re: #195 subsailor68

Hmmm...that sounds like Anthony Trollope? Is it The Way We Live Now? (Just sounds familiar.)

Well done sir. Have an upding on me.

203 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:51:17am

re: #184 ihateronpaul

this whole "bill clinton was the first black president hur hur" crap is spouted by rush limbaugh constantly

Toni Morrison was the first to call Clinton that.

204 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:51:28am

WTH's hapened to Frank Gaffney? He's seemed pretty level-headed whenever I've heard him on with Hugh Hewitt.

205 J.S.  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:51:48am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

CNN the other day played a snippet on Ralph Nader who was saying that billions of dollars in bailout monies going to GM would eventually wind up in China, since General Motors outsources to China..(although, Nader wasn't calling explicitly for a boycott, he was PO'd.)

206 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:51:57am

re: #157 snowcrash

I drive a GM SUV. Last vehicle was a GM Suburban. Never again will I buy a GM product. I don't need Limbaugh to call for a boycott. I will not buy any product from a company that has the govt as a business partner. Recipe for failure.

You might want to avoid these guys as well, then.

Top 75 U.S. Government Contractors:

Lockheed Martin 89.71 above standard 8
2 Boeing Co. 66.45 meeting standard 24
3 Northrop Grumman
Corporation 60.22 meeting standard 39
4 General Dynamics
Corporation 60.60 meeting standard 37
5 Raytheon Co. 76.54 meeting standard 20
6 KBR Inc. 61.56 meeting standard 35
7 L-3 Communications
Holdings 61.98 meeting standard 32
8 SAIC 90.00 excellent 7
9 United Technologies
Corp. 60.03 meeting standard 40
10 BAE Systems 48.08 below standard 51
11 McKesson Corp. NR not rated NA
12 Bechtel Group Inc. 82.73 above standard 15
13 University of
California System NR not rated NA
14 Computer Sciences
Corp. 80.00 above standard 16
15 General Electric Co. 92.43 excellent 5
16 Fluor Corp. 93.92 excellent 2
17 Humana Inc. 52.95 below standard 48
18 Battelle Memorial
Institute NR not rated NA
19 EDS 90.95 excellent 6
20 Honeywell Inc. 87.69 above standard 9
21 Health Net Inc. 77.33 meeting standard 20
22 Triwest Healthcare
Alliance Co. NR not rated NA
23 CH2M Hill Companies
Ltd. NR not rated NA
24 Booz Allen Hamilton
Inc. 73.39 meeting standard 21
25 ITT Industries 61.26 meeting standard 36
26 Public Warehousing
Co./Agility 70.15 meeting standard 23
27 Alliant Techsystems
Inc. 60.25 meeting standard 38
28 California Institute
of Technology 72.94 meeting standard 22
29 URS Corp. 57.33 below standard 44
30 Textron Inc. 93.10 excellent 4
31 BNFL Inc. NR not rated NA
32 Shaw Group Inc. 77.90 meeting standard 18
33 Harris Corp. 64.84 meeting standard 25
34 AmerisourceBergen
Corp. 58.94 below standard 43
35 FedEx Corp. 61.89 meeting standard 33
36 IBM Corp. 50.02 below standard 50
37 Veritas Capital Inc. NR not rated NA
38 United Space Alliance 88.53 above standard 9
39 McDermott Inc. 64.75 meeting standard 26
40 BP PLC 60.02 meeting standard 41
41 DRS Technologies Inc. NR not rated NA
42 ExxonMobil Corp. 41.03 below standard 57
43 Jacobs Engineering
Group Inc. 41.96 below standard 56
44 Kuwait National
Petroleum Co. NR not rated NA
45 The Alliance
Contractor Team NR not rated NA
46 CACI International
Inc. 93.14 excellent 3
47 Renco Corp. NR not rated NA
48 MacAndrews &
Forbes Holdings NR not rated NA
49 Oshkosh Truck Corp. 64.52 meeting standard 27
50 Environmental
Chemical Corp. NR not rated NA
51 Johns Hopkins
University NR not rated NA
52 Washington Group
International 57.33 below standard 44
53 Royal Dutch Shell Co 59.00 below standard 42
54 Dell Computer Corp. 78.86 meeting standard 17
55 Unisys Corp. 63.66 meeting standard 30
56 Stewart &
Stevenson Services NR not rated NA
57 Armor Holdings Inc. 48.08 below standard 51
58 General Motors Inc. 51.28 below standard 49
59 Grindex Pumps AB
Sweden NR not rated NA
60 Korea Agricultural
Cooperative NR not rated NA
61 Accenture 83.34 above standard 13
62 Cardinal Health Inc. 77.65 meeting standard 19
63 MITRE Corp. NR not rated NA
64 General Atomics
Technology Corp. NR not rated NA
65 Chugach Alaska Corp. NR not rated NA
66 Aerospace Corp. 84.38 above standard 12
67 SRA International Inc. 85.45 above standard 12
68 Rockwell Collins 94.32 excellent 1
69 Massachusetts
Institute of Technology NR not rated NA
70 Valero Energy Corp. 43.66 below standard 55
71 IAP Worldwide
Services Inc. NR not rated NA
72 Syracuse Research
Corp. NR not rated NA
73 Tetra Tech Inc. 70.77 meeting standard 23
74 BearingPoint Inc. 86.08 above standard 11
75 Blackwater USA NR not rated NA

207 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:51:58am

re: #105 gmsc

WEATHER/WETHER/WHETHER

I know I know I know!
PIMF PIMF PIMF

208 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:52:06am

re: #189 Fenway_Nation

I like how for the benefit of the Prez's speech in Cairo, the MSM treated the entire Muslim world as this monolithic entity- from chic, cosmopolitan miniskirt wearing Muslimahs in Sarajevo to the most mysogynist, primitive, backwards and violent RPG-toting al-Shabaab militiaman in Mogadishu.

/Guess they're supposed to be treated as equals.

Political correctness in action. "Latinos", "Blacks", "women", "Asians", "gays" are also treated like some monolithic entity as well.

209 Dave the.....  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:52:27am
re: #117 Killgore Trout

Anti-Americanism or warped patriotism?
Rush Limbaugh calling for boycott of GM products

That makes sense coming from Rush if you follow the logic. If GM fails, 100,000's will lose their jobs, it'll hurt the economy, Obama will get the blame and Rush gets his wish that the POTUS fails. Maybe he should suggest that everyone should stop spending and pull out of the market to speed up Obama's failure. /s

Geesh, this is as bad a lefties who wanted us to fail in Iraq because a win there would make President Bush look good.

210 brookly red  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:53:17am

re: #203 jcm

Toni Morrison was the first to call Clinton that.

and it wasn't meant as a complement...

211 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:53:55am

re: #203 jcm

Toni Morrison was the first to call Clinton that.

And use the phrase in such a way to not be a compliment.

212 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:54:05am

re: #210 brookly red

and it wasn't meant as a complement...

Yes it was. The original quote

Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.[15]

213 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:54:08am

re: #179 avanti

It looks like he's talking about it in general terms to avoid the charge that he wants to hurt the economy and the country.....

The people saying they don't want to buy anything at General Motors are not mad at General Motors. They don't want to patronize Obama. They don't want to do anything to make Obama's policies work! This is an untold story, by the way. Of course, the government-controlled media is not gonna report anything like this but there are a lot of people who are not going to buy from Chrysler or General Motors as long as it is perceived Barack Obama is running it, because people do not want his policy to work here because this is antithetical to the American economic way of life. The government does not own car companies; the government does not design cars, not in a country that works. So people aren't going to buy products from companies that Obama runs. (interruption)

What are you smiling at? You disagree with that? (interruption) Oh, you guys are... I love you people on the staff, but you are just too worried about me. Dawn is afraid that what I just said will be translated by the media, "Rush wants GM to fail." Did I say that? Did I say, "I want General Motors to fail?" (interruption) No, I didn't. (interruption) Well, yes, they can remove the... Yeah, they could clip it. They could remove the "did I say" pfft, and get, "I want General Motors," and I'm just telling you. You know, I'm looking at this poll. We've got... It's at zero here. He has 34% strongly approve, 34% strongly disapprove.

This seems like Glenn Beck telling people not to pay their taxes. He had to kinda dance around it to avoid getting in trouble.

214 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:54:23am

re: #200 zombie

I know, I made an embarrassing typo, but it's too late to retract it!

For the record:

weather = rain an' stuff
whether = kinda like "if"

I just thought it was a global warming pun.
/

215 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:54:56am

re: #210 brookly red

re: #212 sattv4u2

Yes it was. The original quote

Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.[15]

The phrase "our first Black president" was adopted as a positive by Bill Clinton supporters such as on September 29, 2001, when the Congressional Black Caucus honored the former president at its Annual Awards Dinner in Washington D.C., with the chair, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Tex.), telling the audience that Clinton "took so many initiatives he made us think for a while we had elected the first black president."[16].

216 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:54:59am

re: #205 J.S.

CNN the other day played a snippet on Ralph Nader who was saying that billions of dollars in bailout monies going to GM would eventually wind up in China, since General Motors outsources to China..(although, Nader wasn't calling explicitly for a boycott, he was PO'd.)

He's not getting any graft from the bailout. No wonder he's pissed.

217 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:55:04am

re: #179 avanti

Your logic is flawed. GM already is in bankruptcy, and is controlled by the U.S. government. That means hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of jobs will be lost at the behest of the U.S. government.

The question isn't whether jobs will be lost in the bankruptcy. They will. The question is whether GM can survive, reorganize successfully, and emerge from bankruptcy as a profitable going concern.

Do you trust the U.S. government to successfully oversee this process? If so, you're the bigger fool!

218 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:55:05am

re: #209 Dave the.....


Geesh, this is as bad a lefties who wanted us to fail in Iraq because a win there would make President Bush look good.


It does seem similar.

219 Dave the.....  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:55:09am

Quickjustice

GM is a major advertiser on Limbaugh's show. For that reason, I doubt that this is being reported correctly unless the Obama Administration has yanked those ads. If there's an Obama Enemies List, Limbaugh likely is on it.

That is one of the complaints about GM being owned by the Gov't. Know they will make decisions based on politics instead of business reasons. There could be pressure to end ads on Rush's show.

220 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:55:52am

re: #206 Cato the Elder

I stay away from GM because their cars are POS. Ford makes nice trucks and cargo vans, I use those. But, my automobile purchases lately have been Honda and Acura. If GM starts building cars like that, I would buy one (no matter who owns the joint)

221 avanti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:56:12am

re: #134 JohnnyReb

We are in fact in a depression and no one is using that word. If Bush was still in it would be 24/7 front page. A depression is where real GDP drops by 10% or more. Just in the last two quarters we have lost over 12%, and this goes back to late 2007 according to the experts. It will get worse before it gets better.

Your statistics are about double the 6% can find, linky ?

222 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:56:13am

Buy American, udderwise it might be a shame what cud happen...
[Link: www.autoloandaily.com...]

223 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:56:24am

re: #206 Cato the Elder

Top 75 U.S. Government Contractors:
....
13 University of California System

Bwahahahaha! This drives the academic left absolutely crazy.

I presume the "contracts" are:

Los Alamos National Laboratory
Lawrence Livermore Lab
Lawrence Berkeley Lab

All do irreplaceable top-notch work on national defense.

224 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #206 Cato the Elder

Did you support the bailout? What do you drive? Will you buy a GM for your next car? If not you have no dog in this fight.

225 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:57:22am

re: #222 jaunte

Hmmm.... people are pissed.

226 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #202 John Neverbend

Well done sir. Have an upding on me.

LOL! Why thank you sir! I confess to really liking Trollope - even made it through both Barchester and the Pallisers. I'm betting you've already seen the mini-series with David Suchet, but if not, here's a link:

The Way We Live Now.

227 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:58:30am

re: #224 snowcrash

Did you support the bailout? What do you drive? Will you buy a GM for your next car? If not you have no dog in this fight.

A checklist? A litmus test? Gimme a break.

You have no fight in you, dog.

228 clgood  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:58:34am

I don't see anything that wacky about the column. The headline writer may have gone overboard, though. While I doubt that The One has any religion at all other than his narcissism he has nobody to blame but himself if "sekrit muslim" rumors continue. He peppered that Cairo speech with a lot of winks and clearly wanted to give his Muslim audience the impression that He was "one of them".

229 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:59:00am

re: #144 Occasional Reader

... as someone famously observed, if you take 3 parts ice cream and mix it with 1 part dog crap, the result will end up tasting a lot more like the latter than the former.

More importantly, nobody will want to eat it even if it's 3/4ths ice cream.

230 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:59:17am

re: #68 Charles

Board of Directors, International Free Press Society

Lars Hedegaard, President
Diana West, Vice President
Paul Belien, Vice President
Christine Brim, Secretary
Bjorn Larsen, Treasurer
Ned May, Outreach Coordinator

231 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:59:33am

re: #219 Dave the.....

Quickjustice

That is one of the complaints about GM being owned by the Gov't. Know they will make decisions based on politics instead of business reasons. There could be pressure to end ads on Rush's show.

Chrysler has already had the Federal Commisars say the advertising budget is drastically slashed, so I would not be surprised if GM follows suit.

Obama Halves Chrysler's Planned Marketing Budget
Task Force Agrees Automaker Needs Advertising -- Just Not $134 Million Worth
By Jean Halliday
Published: May 11, 2009

DETROIT (AdAge.com) -- Chrysler wanted to spend $134 million in advertising over the nine weeks it's expected to be in bankruptcy -- the U.S. Treasury's auto-industry task force gave it half that.

So if GM, which is wrestling with the possibility of a Chapter 11 filing itself, is wondering how much influence the task force will have over marketing, the answer is: plenty. However, transcripts from the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for Southern District of New York, where the Chrysler case is being heard, proved for the first time that the task force at least understands that advertising is a necessary expense -- even if it doesn't think Chrysler needs $134 million for nine weeks of car ads.

232 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:59:39am

re: #219 Dave the.....

I'll sometimes hear an ad for CSX when listening to talk radio. Gotta wonder why- are there potential customers listening to the Rush Limbaugh show wonering What am I going to do with this tank car full of LNG? If only there was some sort of railway that would come and pick it up

233 J.S.  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:59:46am

re: #216 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Toronto Star claims that it's all about Obama's new "crony capitalism." In an opinion piece the author argues that Americans all believe that China is becoming more like America, when in reality, Americans are becoming more like Communist China...link to article "The return of crony capitalism" here...

234 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #223 zombie

Bwahahahaha! This drives the academic left absolutely crazy.

I presume the "contracts" are:

Los Alamos National Laboratory
Lawrence Livermore Lab
Lawrence Berkeley Lab

All do irreplaceable top-notch work on national defense.

Lots of nukular work too!

235 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 10:59:50am

re: #191 itellu3times

He may be the new chocolate caliph, but we know who Obama worships, every time he passes a mirror. In this, he is just like most any other politicians.

And how could it be any other way? If you spend your adult life participating (and winning) popularity contests and being sought out for favors by small and great alike, most people would end up with an inflated self-image.

236 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:00:19am

Gaffney started his career working on Scoop Jackson's staff (under Richard Perle), and then worked as a deputy secretary at DOD under Reagan.

Wiki entry

237 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:00:40am

re: #206 Cato the Elder

I would have expected to see Halliburton on there. Read it 3 times and couldn't find them. Not being snarky, just curious.

238 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:01:03am

re: #229 Charles

More importantly, nobody will want to eat it even if it's 3/4ths ice cream.

But hey, it's all natural.

/

239 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:01:14am

Lamar Alexander's idea on what to do with GM

240 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:01:19am

re: #228 clgood

I don't see anything that wacky about the column. The headline writer may have gone overboard, though. While I doubt that The One has any religion at all other than his narcissism he has nobody to blame but himself if "sekrit muslim" rumors continue. He peppered that Cairo speech with a lot of winks and clearly wanted to give his Muslim audience the impression that He was "one of them".

I agree. He was trying to give one of those classic politician speeches in which different audiences hear different things simultaneously. He wanted the Muslim audience the hear that he was kind a Muslim, but since he knew the American audience was eavesdropping too, he wanted to leave enough wiggle room to not actually say anything outright.

241 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:01:24am

re: #232 Fenway_Nation

I'll sometimes hear an ad for CSX when listening to talk radio. Gotta wonder why- are there potential customers listening to the Rush Limbaugh show wonering What am I going to do with this tank car full of LNG? If only there was some sort of railway that would come and pick it up

Those the ton of freight on a gallon of fuel 400 odd miles ads?

Perception ad, create a positive image.

242 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:01:25am

re: #237 LGoPs

I would have expected to see Halliburton on there. Read it 3 times and couldn't find them. Not being snarky, just curious.

They're part of KBR.

243 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:01:36am

re: #112 Desert Dog

Over 100, Time for an OT

OK all you SUV drivers and A/C users and "energy users". I hope you are happy now. You have KILLED NESSIE! You Bastards!

Despite having hundreds of sonar contacts over the years, the trail has since gone cold and Rines believes that Nessie may be dead, a victim of global warming.

He still wants to check almost 100 contacts on the floor of the loch, believing one may be the monster's remains.

Nessie isn't dead, she's staying with Elvis and Jim Morrison in a palacial flat somewhere in Greenland, running a burlesque house for wayward aliens.

244 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:01:49am

re: #232 Fenway_Nation

I'll sometimes hear an ad for CSX when listening to talk radio. Gotta wonder why- are there potential customers listening to the Rush Limbaugh show wonering What am I going to do with this tank car full of LNG? If only there was some sort of railway that would come and pick it up

A different demographic than those who shop at "Spatula City" or "Barnacle Bob's 60 Second Sale"

245 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:01:58am

re: #238 Ward Cleaver

But hey, it's all natural.

/

And organic!

/depending on what the dog ate, I guess.

246 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:02:15am

re: #237 LGoPs

I would have expected to see Halliburton on there. Read it 3 times and couldn't find them. Not being snarky, just curious.

I think Bechtel is an affiliate or subsidiary of Halliburton.

247 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:02:26am

re: #232 Fenway_Nation

I'll sometimes hear an ad for CSX when listening to talk radio. Gotta wonder why- are there potential customers listening to the Rush Limbaugh show wonering What am I going to do with this tank car full of LNG? If only there was some sort of railway that would come and pick it up

I feel the same way about milk ads. Is there anybody out there that slaps their head and says "Damn. I wish they'd of told me about this great drink product earlier".......

248 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:02:29am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Hmmm.... people are pissed.

I doubt the vandals in that story buy only American made products themselves.

249 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:02:53am

re: #245 wrenchwench

And organic!

/depending on what the dog ate, I guess.

Not our dog; she chews up too many plastic toys and dolls.

250 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:03:05am

Muslim audience the hear that he was kind a Muslim
=
Muslim audience to hear that he was kind of a Muslim

PIMF

Today is not my typing day.

251 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #242 Ward Cleaver

They're part of KBR.

Oh. OK, thanks.

252 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:03:40am

re: #246 Fenway_Nation

I think Bechtel is an affiliate or subsidiary of Halliburton.

KBR acquired Halliburton some time back.

253 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:03:46am

Bad craziness.

Is it so logic-defying to imagine that he's a foreigner, put in place to deliver our country into the enemy's hands? To be controlled -- or devoured -- by the beasts and savages who hate us and everything we stand for?

You know for certain that he isn't? Really? How do you know that? What can you show me that proves he isn't?

Oh, right. You can't. Because you don't know who he is any more than I do.

His actions say that he walks among them. Fangs bared, an acolyte of those with whom he consorts, he is weakening our country -- deliberately dismantling it -- in order to prepare us for the taking, the final coup de gras.

Those of you who refuse to open your eyes and acknowledge that there is something very odd, very mysterious, and very blood chilling about this man, are deliberately blinding yourself. And that makes you a willing accomplice to his crimes.

254 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:03:53am

re: #226 subsailor68

LOL! Why thank you sir! I confess to really liking Trollope - even made it through both Barchester and the Pallisers. I'm betting you've already seen the mini-series with David Suchet, but if not, here's a link:

The Way We Live Now.

I knew it was out there, and I really have to make the effort to sit down and watch it, along with He Knew He Was Right. I've read the entire 47 novel canon once, and I'm going through it again at the moment (roughly 5 years per reading). Remember that once you've finished the Barchester Chronicles and The Pallisers (12 novels, most of them very long), you've only read slightly more than 25% of his output.

255 avanti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:03:53am

re: #227 Cato the Elder

A checklist? A litmus test? Gimme a break.

You have no fight in you, dog.

The car web sites are not happy about Rush, a example

256 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:04:18am

I surmise that Limbaugh, having been informed that GM is yanking its advertising on his show at the behest of the Obama Administration, is retaliating with a call for a boycott of "Government Motors". This is a duel to the death. Will the reorganized GM build cars Americans want to buy? Only if consumer preference are what drive future car production, not government policy preferences. With or without a boycott, GM likely is cooked if the government dictates the types of cars that can be produced.

257 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:04:38am

re: #205 J.S.

CNN the other day played a snippet on Ralph Nader who was saying that billions of dollars in bailout monies going to GM would eventually wind up in China, since General Motors outsources to China..(although, Nader wasn't calling explicitly for a boycott, he was PO'd.)

There is some truth to that. However, more is outsourced to Mexico I believe. I do know that Mexico gets tons of $$ to make certain GM parts. Canada gets a big share also.

258 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:04:57am

re: #248 jaunte

Good point.

259 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:05:08am

re: #252 Ward Cleaver

I thought it might've been the other way around.

260 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:05:18am

re: #253 Charles

What. The. [self-deleted]

261 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:05:47am

re: #253 Charles

Yikes!

262 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:06:46am

re: #247 LGoPs

I feel the same way about milk ads. Is there anybody out there that slaps their head and says "Damn. I wish they'd of told me about this great drink product earlier".......


Why the beer ads during football games? You mean somebody forgot to go to the store before the game?

263 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:07:01am

re: #253 Charles

Who is Andrea Shea King?

264 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:07:36am

re: #262 HoosierHoops

Why the beer ads during football games? You mean somebody forgot to go to the store before the game?

More like they got the wrong brand....

265 J.S.  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:07:54am

re: #257 JohnnyReb

yes, Canadians now own 16 percent of GM...(iirc, there was also a snippet on CNN about General Motors building a plant in China, though...i'd have to look for the reference...)

266 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:08:06am

re: #252 Ward Cleaver

KBR acquired Halliburton some time back.

Ah ha! Correction - Halliburton and KBR split in 2007. So "Halliburton" on that report would actually be KBR. Halliburton is still in the oilfield service business. That's the Halliburton I'm familiar with, from seeing their red-and-gray trucks (mainly mud-pumping trucks) in East Texas, when I was a kid, visiting my grandparents.

267 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:08:33am

re: #263 jaunte

Who is Andrea Shea King?

[Link: wdbo.com...]

268 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:08:48am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

As Instapundit sussed out, that's not what Rush said, and he didn't call for a boycott, even though the buying public (what's left, that is), has already established a de facto boycott because they're not going to buy products from a bankrupt entity, let alone one that is Government Motors.

269 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:08:59am

re: #253 Charles

Bad craziness.

LOL! She writes "coup de gras". Literally, a stroke of fat.

Which she may be suffering from, in fact.

270 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:09:04am

re: #254 John Neverbend

I knew it was out there, and I really have to make the effort to sit down and watch it, along with He Knew He Was Right. I've read the entire 47 novel canon once, and I'm going through it again at the moment (roughly 5 years per reading). Remember that once you've finished the Barchester Chronicles and The Pallisers (12 novels, most of them very long), you've only read slightly more than 25% of his output.

Man, isn't that the truth! You're a bit ahead of me, well actually way ahead of me - as I'm still on the first go round. Love the 25% stat! It reminds me of our first trip from California to Texas (where we now live). We'd driven through California, Arizona, New Mexico, and finally hit El Paso. My wife said, "Phew, glad we're finally here in Texas."

I said, "Dear, we may be in Texas, but we're still a little less than half way there."

271 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:09:26am

In April, Gaffney said Obama spoke in code to tell our “Muslim enemies” that the United States is “willing to submit to them”:

When asked by MSNBC host David Shuster and Mother Jones’s David Corn for proof of this supposed submission, Gaffney pointed to a secret “code” Obama is using — which apparently only he, al Qaeda, the Saudis, and the Taliban understand:

CORN: Where in that speech does he say we’re going to submit to anybody?

GAFFNEY: I think what he is using is code — … When he uses the word “respect,” in the context of a waist-bow to the king of Saudi Arabia, for example, and talks about respectful language, which is code for those who adhere to Sharia that we will submit to Sharia. We will submit to the kind of program –

SHUSTER: We have to know the code? We all have to know the code to understand how we’re making ourselves more vulnerable? … David Corn was asking you for a specific example, and you’re referring to code. You’re referring to code!

GAFFNEY: I’m telling you the code as they receive it in the Taliban headquarters and in al Qaeda’s cave and in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They perceive this as submission.

Roll the tape...

Youtube Video
272 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:09:27am

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

273 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:09:36am

re: #259 Fenway_Nation

I thought it might've been the other way around.

You're right; Hallibuton owned KBR (which started out as Brown & Root).

274 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:09:52am

What Is an American Car?

Before “loaning” billions more in taxpayer money to some very bad credit risks, simply because they are old American brands associated with Detroit, we might ask what distinguishes these companies from others.

The not-so-big three are certainly are no less global than, say, Honda. General Motors gets 44% of its revenue from other countries and Ford gets 53%, according to Forbes (April 21). A German company, Daimler-Benz, still owns a fifth of Chrysler, and a group of affluent private investors owns the rest.

An “American” brand tells you little about where all the parts in a car are made. I was once at a dinner with Lee Iaccoca where I teased him about my Dodge Stealth, made in Japan by Mitsubishi. Similarly, today’s Chevy Aveo is imported from Daewoo in South Korea. Yet Hyundai has a plant in Alabama.

Cars.com found only four cars and six light trucks with a domestic content (meaning US or Canadian) above 75%. That list includes the Toyota Tundra and Sienna and the Honda Odyssey. Other Honda’s have a 60-70% domestic content, barely missing the cut.

Ten most "American" Cars.
1. Ford F-150* Claycomo, Mo.; Dearborn, Mich.
2. Chevrolet Cobalt Lordstown, Ohio
3. Chevrolet Malibu** Kansas City, Kan.
4. Pontiac G6 Orion, Mich.
5. Toyota Tundra Princeton, Ind.; San Antonio
6. Toyota Sienna Princeton, Ind.
7. Honda Odyssey Lincoln, Ala.
8. Chevrolet Silverado 1500* Fort Wayne, Ind.; Pontiac, Mich.
9. Chrysler Sebring Sterling Heights, Mich.
10. Ford Explorer/Sport Trac Louisville, Ky.

275 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:10:08am

re: #253 Charles

Bad craziness.

Before the days of the internet, how did people like this express themselves or did they simply remain silent?

276 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:10:11am

re: #253 Charles

Who is Andrea Shea King? I read her biography at the website, and I still don't know.

277 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:10:56am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

You mean they're not? I'm heartbroken.

/calling my lawyer

278 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:11:33am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

She's why theres a warning label on an electric hair dryer that states NOT TO BE USED IN THE SHOWER, but ,,, ummm,, (self deleted)!

279 Lincolntf  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:11:34am

re: #272 zombie

That's great.

280 J.S.  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:11:35am

re: #257 JohnnyReb

Here's one article...although it's about India...GM India (there's also a GM China)...link here.

281 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:11:51am

re: #262 HoosierHoops

Why the beer ads during football games? You mean somebody forgot to go to the store before the game?

Growing up in the Great Pacific NorthWet, where one can even now only legally purchase alcohol stronger than beer or wine at a state run liquor store, used to have such restrictive blue laws that prohibited even advertising alcohol on Sundays. Many a nationally televised sports event started showing a beer ad that quickly went to dead air for the length of the ad.

282 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #274 jcm

I like my F-150. Great truck.

283 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:12:35am

re: #267 jaunte

"She's just a gal like any other gal"? Huh?

284 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:12:38am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

Wait until she finds out that Boo Berry isn't a berry either. Class action to follow.

285 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:12:46am

re: #270 subsailor68

Man, isn't that the truth! You're a bit ahead of me, well actually way ahead of me - as I'm still on the first go round.

Then you have many pleasurable hours of reading ahead of you. Geh Gesunter Heit (a decidedly un-Trollopian expression)!

286 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:12:48am

re: #276 quickjustice

Who is Andrea Shea King? I read her biography at the website, and I still don't know.

If you want the U.S. Constitution to be used as a plumb line, and if you're ready for a symbolic revival of the American Revolution, then you're found a home on the Andrea Shea King Show.

Nobody's going to take my Constitution and use it as a plumb line! But she's welcome to give the coup de gras to symbolic revolutions.

Snicker.

287 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:04am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

I thought it was fruit too. Class action lawsuit!

/

288 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:09am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

Dismissed, as it should have been. What a waste of the court's time.

289 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:14am

re: #274 jcm

What Is an American Car?

Ten most "American" Cars.
1. Ford F-150* Claycomo, Mo.; Dearborn, Mich.
2. Chevrolet Cobalt Lordstown, Ohio
3. Chevrolet Malibu** Kansas City, Kan.
4. Pontiac G6 Orion, Mich.
5. Toyota Tundra Princeton, Ind.; San Antonio
6. Toyota Sienna Princeton, Ind.
7. Honda Odyssey Lincoln, Ala.
8. Chevrolet Silverado 1500* Fort Wayne, Ind.; Pontiac, Mich.
9. Chrysler Sebring Sterling Heights, Mich.
10. Ford Explorer/Sport Trac Louisville, Ky.

My 1995 F-150 built in Claycomo (Kansas City Assembly) has quite of bit of Mexican content, like wiring harnesses, and the rear leaf springs.

290 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:18am

So "0" may be a sekrit Moooooooslim.
Well just thank God-Goddess-Nature-The Void-OHM that "0" isn't a sekrit "Christian-Fundimentalist". That would be dangerous.

/it for sure he's a socialist though........

291 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:18am

re: #253 Charles

There's a little good news at the bottom:

***
A door has been slammed on the hunt for confirmation of President Obama's birth in Hawaiian hospital records, with officials at two prominent Honolulu facilities either declining to return WND telephone calls or refusing to comment.

***
Lamar Outdoor, one of the largest providers of billboard space in America, has become the second major company to reject an advertising campaign raising questions about Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility for office. Lamar joins CBS, the No. 1 outdoor advertising company, in prohibiting its salesmen nationwide from accepting leases of billboards for a campaign that asks the simple question, "Where's the birth certificate?"

Not good to her, I guess.

292 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:37am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

Wait till she learns the awful truth about dingleberries.

293 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:40am

re: #282 jaunte

I like my F-150. Great truck.

I have a Dodge Ram (Canadian). My Dodge van was built in Germany.

I'm such a bad person.

:-(

///

294 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:44am

re: #282 jaunte

I like my F-150. Great truck.

182,000 on mine.

295 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:47am

re: #274 jcm

This is why I miss my Chevy K1500 (down for the count with a busted transmission). But there's no way I'm gonna buy anything GM if it keeps going like this. I'm already distrustful of the newer "plastic" brand of vehicles Detroit's been rolling out these days. I've been in a serious accident and I appreciate the strength of American-rolled steel.

296 irongrampa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:13:58am

re: #231 FurryOldGuyJeans

THERE'S a surefire way to help a company emerging from bankruptcy--close dealer outlets and reduce advertising.

What could possibly go wrong?

297 pat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:14:06am

Charles quoted the headline of the Jesus article correctly. But it is very deceiving. From the article:

“I don’t recall a single example of Bush as president ever saying, ‘Jesus’ or ‘Christ,’” said Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Christian group Family Research Council. “This is different.”

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Given that context, it would not be hard to surpass Bush's record. The misleading headline converges with the Left's belief that Bush was a religious nut. When he displayed no such propensity. He talked about his faith, primarily when asked and not in the text of speeches. As for Obama, his constant religious allusions seem to be generated to create the feeling he is a religious figure. Very disturbing.

298 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:14:15am

re: #292 Cato the Elder

Wait till she learns the awful truth about dingleberries.

Or cling-ons.

299 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:14:22am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

I want to know who the lawyer was, that agreed to represent this case.

300 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:14:35am

re: #289 Ward Cleaver

My 1995 F-150 built in Claycomo (Kansas City Assembly) has quite of bit of Mexican content, like wiring harnesses, and the rear leaf springs.

75% or greater US content is the benchmark.

301 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #271 Kenneth

In April, Gaffney said Obama spoke in code to tell our “Muslim enemies” that the United States is “willing to submit to them”:

Roll the tape...

[Video]

Wow.....too bad, he was a good guy (or, so I thought)

Youtube Video
302 jaunte  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:14:53am

re: #283 quickjustice

"She's just a gal like any other gal"? Huh?

That distinguishes her from the other 50% of the population...

303 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:14:55am

re: #284 MrSilverDragon

Wait until she finds out that Boo Berry isn't a berry either. Class action to follow.

Just wait until she finds out Count Chocula is not really nobility!

304 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:14:59am

re: #272 zombie

re: #288 Flyers1974

Dismissed, as it should have been. What a waste of the court's time.

Well,,, The 0ne hasn't paid for her mortgage and groceries and gas yet, so she had to do SOMETHING for the money!

305 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:04am

I used to like Gaffney's pieces at NRO a few years back, and was going to suggest maybe he didn't really know who was behind the International Free Press Society. But after listening to his bizarre performance on that video I posted upthread, it's clear Frank does not exactly excel at reality testing. In fact, he's out to lunch.

306 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:06am

re: #298 FurryOldGuyJeans

Or cling-ons.

Or tag-nuts?

307 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:06am

re: #284 MrSilverDragon

Wait until she finds out that Boo Berry isn't a berry either. Class action to follow.

You say that in jest, but according to the article:

"Judge England also noted another federal court had "previously rejected substantially similar claims directed against the packaging of Fruit [sic] Loops cereal, and brought by these same Plaintiff attorneys." He found that their attack on "Crunchberries" should fare no better than their prior claims that "Froot Loops" did not contain real froot."

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:14am

re: #271 Kenneth

In April, Gaffney said Obama spoke in code to tell our “Muslim enemies” that the United States is “willing to submit to them”:


Roll the tape...

Youtube Video

I bet he also understood the secret language in which John Kenedy said he would dismantle the Constitution at the pleasure of the Pope in Rome.

309 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:14am

re: #296 irongrampa

THERE'S a surefire way to help a company emerging from bankruptcy--close dealer outlets and reduce advertising.

What could possibly go wrong?

More government control.

But why state the obvious?

310 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:21am

re: #284 MrSilverDragon

Wait until she finds out that Boo Berry isn't a berry either. Class action to follow.

For the love of God, please keep the Eskimo Pies away from her!

311 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:42am

re: #295 thedopefishlives

This is why I miss my Chevy K1500 (down for the count with a busted transmission). But there's no way I'm gonna buy anything GM if it keeps going like this. I'm already distrustful of the newer "plastic" brand of vehicles Detroit's been rolling out these days. I've been in a serious accident and I appreciate the strength of American-rolled steel.

4L80E transmission? My neighbor's Suburban ate its tranny at 66,000.

312 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:42am

re: #284 MrSilverDragon

wait till she finds out he wasn't even a real Captain!

313 amir  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:56am

Zombie

If you're interested, I posted a responce to your last comment on the "love Islamic extremist style" thread.

314 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:15:59am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

OHMYGOD! Please don't tell me Fruit Loops are fake too!

315 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:16:15am

re: #299 Alouette

I want to know who the lawyer was, that agreed to represent this case.

Youtube Video
316 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:16:24am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

re: #209 Dave the.....

Geesh, this is as bad a lefties who wanted us to fail in Iraq because a win there would make President Bush look good.


No, it's not. GM has been living beyond its means for a long time. "Mouth writing checks the body can't cash", and all of that, except this time the checks are real no-shit checks. Paychecks for thousands and thousands of Americans depend upon the management of GM. Paychecks for millions of Americans depend upon the ability of business to proceed in an environment where the rules are predictable and applied evenly.
Nobody is going to invest in companies if their investments are increasingly likely to be wiped out by favoring the unions at the expense of ruining the investors. Investors like those schoolteachers in Indiana who banked on Chrysler being A) well-managed and B) treated fairly by the government.
Investors know that they can be wiped out if they choose poorly, but have faith that the law will remain a distant third party to any proceedings. Workers know that they can be wiped out if their company fails, but have faith that the management will operate in a prudent fashion to preserve the company.
The fundamental problem with GM is not that they don't sell enough cars. The problem is that the management and the unions have allowed the company to be crippled by obligations to the unions.
The fundamental problem with bailing out GM is that both the management and the unions of other companies will be more likely to make such bad business decisions if the example shown by GM is that profligate business is rewarded while responsible business is punished.
Ford scrimped and saved, negotiated, divested questionable assets, and in general ran the company like grown-ups.

So absolutely--punish GM. Reward Ford. Your own job may depend on it, because the market ALWAYS wins. Of course, if you are angling for a bailout in your own industry, this may not mean much to you.

317 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #299 Alouette

I want to know who the lawyer was, that agreed to represent this case.

If she had a lawyer, I have to believe the lawyer did this hoping he/she would get publicity under the theory that any publicity is good.

318 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:16:30am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

Oh zombie! Wish you'd given me a little warning! I just spewed crunchberries all over my monitor. These two paragraphs made me laugh so hard I'm sore:

This Court is not aware of, nor has Plaintiff alleged the existence of, any actual fruit referred to as a "crunchberry." Furthermore, the "Crunchberries" depicted on the [box] are round, crunchy, brightly-colored cereal balls, and the [box] clearly states both that the Product contains "sweetened corn & oat cereal" and that the cereal is "enlarged to show texture."

And:

The court, Judge Morrison England, Jr., also pointed out that the plaintiff acknowledged in her opposition to the motion to dismiss that "[c]lose inspection [of the box] reveals that Crunchberries . . . are not really berries." Plaintiff did not explain why she could not reasonably have figured this out at any point during the four years she alleged she bought Cap'n Crunch with Crunchberries in reliance on defendant's fraud.

Thanks!

319 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:16:48am

re: #266 Ward Cleaver

Ah ha! Correction - Halliburton and KBR split in 2007. So "Halliburton" on that report would actually be KBR. Halliburton is still in the oilfield service business. That's the Halliburton I'm familiar with, from seeing their red-and-gray trucks (mainly mud-pumping trucks) in East Texas, when I was a kid, visiting my grandparents.

Kellogg and Brown & Root (the KBR part) also have their roots in the oil patch.

I did business with Halliburton in Iraq. They were the cleanest/straightest/strictest buyers I've ever dealt with. The dudes would not accept common courtesy gifts (sticky pads, business card holders etc) much less accept any lunch of dinner invitation.

320 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:17:14am

re: #314 jcm

OHMYGOD! Please don't tell me Fruit Loops are fake too!

See comment #307 above.

321 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:17:18am

re: #311 Ward Cleaver

4L80E transmission? My neighbor's Suburban ate its tranny at 66,000.

Not sure, actually, but this particular vehicle has significantly higher mileage than that. Over 150k. To be honest, the same thing happened on the previous iteration of 1500 that I drove, but at the time it was owned by my dad so he could afford to pay the $2500 or so for a rebuild.

322 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:17:41am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

"this is the most blatant case of false advertising since my suit against The Neverending Story."

-Troy McClure

323 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:17:44am

re: #27 zombie

Hmmmm. Never heard of him before this.


He's with "Center for Security Policy" but also appears to be a journalist for the Times? The Regents

CSP has heavyweights from Boeing and MDA in it.

On the other hand - He's endorsed books from DI in the security arena, Has his name on petitions with "Christine" from Center for Vigilant Freedom and Paul Weyrich, and quite a few other things, that from a search on "Frank Gaffney Jr." "Discovery Institute". I haven't looked at Rockford or other places yet.

324 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:17:44am

re: #319 experiencedtraveller

Kellogg and Brown & Root (the KBR part) also have their roots in the oil patch.

I did business with Halliburton in Iraq. They were the cleanest/straightest/strictest buyers I've ever dealt with. The dudes would not accept common courtesy gifts (sticky pads, business card holders etc) much less accept any lunch of dinner invitation.

Their Dark Lord will give them their just rewards when all of the Jedi are dead.

325 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:18:17am

re: #319 experiencedtraveller

You are certainly going to get a number of people disagree with your assessment of Halliburton being clean.

326 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:18:40am

re: #297 pat

When asked who his favorite philosopher is Bush famously answered, "Jesus Christ". Yes, he talked about Jesus, but he didn't wear his faith on his sleave like Obama does.

Ultimately, only Obama knows how sincere his faith in Christianity is, but as far as I can tell his public demonstrations of faith seem staged and for effect only.

327 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:18:57am

re: #316 haakondahl

It's long, but you're right! ;-)

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:19:23am

re: #318 subsailor68

Oh zombie! Wish you'd given me a little warning! I just spewed crunchberries all over my monitor. These two paragraphs made me laugh so hard I'm sore:

This Court is not aware of, nor has Plaintiff alleged the existence of, any actual fruit referred to as a "crunchberry." Furthermore, the "Crunchberries" depicted on the [box] are round, crunchy, brightly-colored cereal balls, and the [box] clearly states both that the Product contains "sweetened corn & oat cereal" and that the cereal is "enlarged to show texture."

And:

The court, Judge Morrison England, Jr., also pointed out that the plaintiff acknowledged in her opposition to the motion to dismiss that "[c]lose inspection [of the box] reveals that Crunchberries . . . are not really berries." Plaintiff did not explain why she could not reasonably have figured this out at any point during the four years she alleged she bought Cap'n Crunch with Crunchberries in reliance on defendant's fraud.

Thanks!

"The survival of the instant claim would require this Court to ignore all concepts of personal responsibility and common sense. The Court has no intention of allowing that to happen."

329 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:19:42am

re: #326 Kenneth

When asked who his favorite philosopher is Bush famously answered, "Jesus Christ". Yes, he talked about Jesus, but he didn't wear his faith on his sleave like Obama does.

Ultimately, only Obama knows how sincere his faith in Christianity is, but as far as I can tell his public demonstrations of faith seem staged and for effect only.

Has anyone asked Obama the same question? I wonder who his fav is?

330 pat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:20:22am

re: #329 Desert Dog

Che?

331 zombie  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:20:24am

re: #313 amir

Zombie

If you're interested, I posted a responce to your last comment on the "love Islamic extremist style" thread.

Thanks. I'll check it out.

332 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:20:27am

re: #326 Kenneth

When asked who his favorite philosopher is Bush famously answered, "Jesus Christ". Yes, he talked about Jesus, but he didn't wear his faith on his sleave like Obama does.

Ultimately, only Obama knows how sincere his faith in Christianity is, but as far as I can tell his public demonstrations of faith seem staged and for effect only.

I still find it ironic that so many people accused GW of turning America into a theocracy worse than the Taliban, yet have not a peep of concern regarding the Messiah.

333 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:21:04am

re: #272 zombie

Legal Insanity Files:

Woman Sues Cap'N Crunch after finding Out that "Crunch Berries" Are Not a Real Fruit.

A new dimension of stupid.

So does this mean that all the shipboard weddings Cap'N Crunch performed were never valid?

334 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:21:09am

re: #304 sattv4u2

re: #288 Flyers1974


Well,,, The 0ne hasn't paid for her mortgage and groceries and gas yet, so she had to do SOMETHING for the money!

My theory is that she is some sort of lunatic or that this is her idea of fun. The quest for easy money fuels many frivilous lawsuits, few would disagree. But does even a very stupid person pursue this thinking they are going to win or have money offered in settlement?

335 Kronocide  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:21:15am

Sekrit: strong enough for a conspiracy theorist, but made for a kook.

336 Abu Lahab  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:21:34am

Does Frank Gaffney read too much Atlas Shrugs every day?

337 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:21:40am

re: #307 zombie

You say that in jest, but according to the article:

"Judge England also noted another federal court had "previously rejected substantially similar claims directed against the packaging of Fruit [sic] Loops cereal, and brought by these same Plaintiff attorneys." He found that their attack on "Crunchberries" should fare no better than their prior claims that "Froot Loops" did not contain real froot."

Froot Loops? How did we get to Cindy Sheehan?

/

338 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:21:55am

re: #329 Desert Dog

Obama did list Fredrick Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra as one of his favorite books.

339 J.S.  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:21:56am

Found the article: "GM is currently the third largest automaker in China, which is now the world's largest auto market." in the article:"Nader warns against aiding outsourced GM" here.

340 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:22:08am

re: #275 John Neverbend

BBS, and before that handing out pamphlets and flyers.

341 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:22:23am

re: #333 Fenway_Nation

So does this mean that all the shipboard weddings Cap'N Crunch performed were never valid?

Yep, you better go find a Justice of the Peace, and fast.

342 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:22:59am

re: #334 Flyers1974

My theory is that she is some sort of lunatic or that this is her idea of fun. The quest for easy money fuels many frivilous lawsuits, few would disagree. But does even a very stupid person pursue this thinking they are going to win or have money offered in settlement?

Once that woman drove away from McDonalds with the HOT coffee that she ordered and put in her OWN lap and it spilled because SHE fumbled with it and the jury awarded her money, all bets were off !

343 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:23:03am

re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans

I still find it ironic that so many people accused GW of turning America into a theocracy worse than the Taliban, yet have not a peep of concern regarding the Messiah.

Not so much ironic as a reflection of the overpowering influence of the media. They are everyone's window on the world. We see it through their eyes and their interpretations - and we end up seeing what they want us to see. For many of us, at least.

344 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:23:07am

re: #338 Kenneth

Obama did list Fredrick Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra as one of his favorite books.

I can see that, for sure

345 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:23:18am

re: #318 subsailor68

Judge England also noted another federal court had "previously rejected substantially similar claims directed against the packaging of Fruit [sic] Loops cereal, and brought by these same Plaintiff attorneys." He found that their attack on "Crunchberries" should fare no better than their prior claims that "Froot Loops" did not contain real froot

OHMYGOD! Fruit Loops are fake too!

My whole food pyramid just came crashing down, my five servings of fruit a day aren't fruit.... ohhhhhh..... what I'm I going to do?

///////

346 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:23:33am

re: #329 Desert Dog

Has anyone asked Obama the same question? I wonder who his fav is?

Isn't it Reinhold Niebuhr?

347 sandspur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:23:52am

re: #158 _RememberTonyC

I love slim jims ... bring it, beyotches!

I'm going right out and stock up - there might be a shortage coming!
And I've got your back...

348 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:24:41am

re: #345 jcm

Judge England also noted another federal court had "previously rejected substantially similar claims directed against the packaging of Fruit [sic] Loops cereal, and brought by these same Plaintiff attorneys." He found that their attack on "Crunchberries" should fare no better than their prior claims that "Froot Loops" did not contain real froot

OHMYGOD! Fruit Loops are fake too!

My whole food pyramid just came crashing down, my five servings of fruit a day aren't fruit.... ohhhhhh..... what I'm I going to do?

///////

If you ate that many Froot Loops, you have to driven around on a flatbed truck, like that guy down in Mexico.

349 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:25:04am

Children's car gets honor at museum
Jun. 6, 2009 03:13 PM
Associated Press

CLEVELAND - A classic toy car is being inducted into an auto museum in Cleveland.

The Cozy Coupe, a plastic cherry-red sports car, allows toddlers to sit on a bench-style seat and poke their legs through to the ground. When they start walking, the car begins to go.

350 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:25:07am

Anyone limiting themselves to "buying American" these days would have few choices.

For example,

Staber washing machines

Power Trac tractors

the only ones listed in those categories on a "Buy American" site I checked.

351 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:25:10am

re: #345 jcm

Judge England also noted another federal court had "previously rejected substantially similar claims directed against the packaging of Fruit [sic] Loops cereal, and brought by these same Plaintiff attorneys." He found that their attack on "Crunchberries" should fare no better than their prior claims that "Froot Loops" did not contain real froot

OHMYGOD! Fruit Loops are fake too!

My whole food pyramid just came crashing down, my five servings of fruit a day aren't fruit.... ohhhhhh..... what I'm I going to do?

///////

Next they're gonna tell me that beer is just a beverage.
/

352 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:25:18am

re: #347 sandspur

I'm going right out and stock up - there might be a shortage coming!
And I've got your back...

Jumbo Slim Jims!

/more nitrites!

353 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:25:33am

re: #345 jcm

Judge England also noted another federal court had "previously rejected substantially similar claims directed against the packaging of Fruit [sic] Loops cereal, and brought by these same Plaintiff attorneys." He found that their attack on "Crunchberries" should fare no better than their prior claims that "Froot Loops" did not contain real froot

OHMYGOD! Fruit Loops are fake too!

My whole food pyramid just came crashing down, my five servings of fruit a day aren't fruit.... ohhhhhh..... what I'm I going to do?

///////

Switch over to Fruity Pebbles, quick!

354 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:26:08am

To Charles's second point about Obama referring to Jesus more than Bush did-- I think Obama a chameleon, with a gift for changing his message for different audiences.

I don't think he's a devout Christian. I think he moves comfortably between Jesus, Mohammed, and Moses, depending on the audience. No devout Christian is so familiar with Koran. Like many other politicians, he's a political opportunist.

355 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:27:05am

re: #326 Kenneth

When asked who his favorite philosopher is Bush famously answered, "Jesus Christ". Yes, he talked about Jesus, but he didn't wear his faith on his sleave like Obama does.

Ultimately, only Obama knows how sincere his faith in Christianity is, but as far as I can tell his public demonstrations of faith seem staged and for effect only.

On this I have little doubt. personally, I have no problem with these tactics. He did what he had to do to get elected in a pretty religious country. As you pointed out, only he can know for sure. My guess is he is ambivalent towards religion.

356 Digital Display  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:27:13am

re: #310 Desert Dog

For the love of God, please keep the Eskimo Pies away from her!


Why? Are they fake Eskimos? I hate that..
/

357 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:27:19am

re: #353 Creeping Eruption

Switch over to Fruity Pebbles, quick!

Just keep her away from me Lucky Charms.

358 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:27:19am

re: #349 FurryOldGuyJeans

Children's car gets honor at museum
Jun. 6, 2009 03:13 PM
Associated Press

We've got one of those in the backyard, a garage sale find that's been "driven" by all three of our kids. Between that and the fleet of used Power Wheels, our backyard looks like a used car lot. Or a demolition derby.

359 LGoPs  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:27:52am

re: #356 HoosierHoops

Why? Are they fake Eskimos? I hate that..
/

Inuit. I nuit.
Damn.

360 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:28:00am

re: #353 Creeping Eruption

Switch over to Fruity Pebbles, quick!

Yum, yum. Every time I eat those I feel quite gay for the entire day!

361 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:28:03am

re: #356 HoosierHoops

Why? Are they fake Eskimos? I hate that..
/

Ward Churchill style.

362 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:28:18am

re: #325 FurryOldGuyJeans

You are certainly going to get a number of people disagree with your assessment of Halliburton being clean.

Just offering a first hand observation. And the instances of 'corruption' that were reported all had something in common: they were local contracts tendered to local suppliers in a war zone.

Under a (D) administration that is known as 'spreading the wealth around'.

363 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:28:22am

re: #354 quickjustice

He's an opportunist first and foremost, and will tailor his message to his audiences at the time telling them what they want to hear. Most politicians have this gift, but few are as overt as Obama has been. Obama could easily crib phrases from the koran (after all, that's the job of speechwriters and his researchers).

It's also another reason to treat everything he says with an expiration date, since he's just as likely to say the opposite to another crowd.

364 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:28:43am

re: #360 subsailor68

Yum, yum. Every time I eat those I feel quite gay for the entire day!

Wash 'em down with some Arbor Mist?

/

365 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:28:48am

re: #327 quickjustice

It's long, but you're right! ;-)

I apologize for the length of the comment--I did not take the time to write a short one.

366 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:28:53am

re: #354 quickjustice

To Charles's second point about Obama referring to Jesus more than Bush did-- I think Obama a chameleon, with a gift for changing his message for different audiences. I see him more as the Woody Allen character Leonard Zelig, always injecting himself in the picture and being perfectly comfortable at both ends of any spectrum

367 avanti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:28:57am

re: #342 sattv4u2

Once that woman drove away from McDonalds with the HOT coffee that she ordered and put in her OWN lap and it spilled because SHE fumbled with it and the jury awarded her money, all bets were off !

I wonder about how the jury decided that case, but here's some facts not widely known.

coffee.

368 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:29:10am

re: #358 Ward Cleaver

We've got one of those in the backyard, a garage sale find that's been "driven" by all three of our kids. Between that and the fleet of used Power Wheels, our backyard looks like a used car lot. Or a demolition derby.

I forgot to add my commentary to the article:

Soon we can expect this to be the production models being offered for sale by the government auto companies.

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:29:46am

re: #354 quickjustice

To Charles's second point about Obama referring to Jesus more than Bush did-- I think Obama a chameleon, with a gift for changing his message for different audiences.

I don't think he's a devout Christian. I think he moves comfortably between Jesus, Mohammed, and Moses, depending on the audience. No devout Christian is so familiar with Koran. Like many other politicians, he's a political opportunist.

Lots of Christians are reliigious scholars, professional or amateur, and are familiar with the Koran. Obama also has speechwriters.

370 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:30:03am

re: #368 FurryOldGuyJeans

I forgot to add my commentary to the article:

Soon we can expect this to be the production models being offered for sale by the government auto companies.

A forced takeover of Little Tikes?

371 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:30:08am

re: #326 Kenneth

When asked who his favorite philosopher is Bush famously answered, "Jesus Christ". Yes, he talked about Jesus, but he didn't wear his faith on his sleave like Obama does.

On the other hand, Bush wasn't subjected to people like Gaffney appearing on MSNBC speculating about whether he was sending sekrit signals to the Taliban (as Charles points out), nor was he the subject of editorials insinuating that he IS a muslim, like this article, nor was he subjected to endless and unfounded calls for his birth certificate.

Maybe to you it looks like Obama is overemphasizing his Christianity, but that's likely because you're not one of the people swayed by any of the unfounded rumours and fears in the first place. Unfortunately to others there is nothing he can do to overcome irrational fears that he's a seekrit Muslim.

I don't think he's wearing his faith on his sleeve so much as he's trying to defuse the irrational fears of others and head off smears like the ones Gaffney is pushing.

There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of Obama to be made. This isn't one of them, in my opinion.

372 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #362 experiencedtraveller

Just offering a first hand observation. And the instances of 'corruption' that were reported all had something in common: they were local contracts tendered to local suppliers in a war zone.

Under a (D) administration that is known as 'spreading the wealth around'.

The bailout fiasco is showing how the two parties differ on being corrupt when they embezzle public monies.

373 restitutor orbis  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:30:36am

Although I don't think BHO is a real Muslim(and lets face it, Jeremiah Wright is more batshit crazy than any imam), he certainly panders enough to them.
I think calling him the first Muslim President, in the context of Clintons "blackness" is not out of the realm of reason.

374 Racer X  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:30:52am

The EPA and the Unions make it far too costly for companies to manufacture products in America.

"Buy American" is a meaningless slogan unless the restrictions on manufacturing and the rising labor costs are addressed.

375 Kronocide  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:30:54am

[Link: www.honoluluadvertiser.com...]

Nirther teaser!

376 Racer X  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:31:34am

re: #351 LGoPs

Next they're gonna tell me that beer is just a beverage.
/

No you're good - beer is liquid bread. Really.

377 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:31:44am

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Obama also has speechwriters.

My impression is that his speechwriters are sometimes careless or callous or even both.

378 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:32:19am

re: #355 Flyers1974

On this I have little doubt. personally, I have no problem with these tactics. He did what he had to do to get elected in a pretty religious country. As you pointed out, only he can know for sure. My guess is he is ambivalent towards religion.

That'd be my guess as well. He did what he had to do to be elected.

379 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:32:20am

re: #370 Ward Cleaver

A forced takeover of Little Tikes?

No, the Cozy Coupe being the new "in" car. So far the Feds have been very heavy handed with their rules.

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:32:40am

re: #376 Racer X

No you're good - beer is liquid bread. Really.

My mother, whose annual alcohol intake is limited to a couple of sips of champagne at weddings, once tried a bit of my Guinness and commented "It's more like food than I thought it would be."

381 oldschool  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:34:18am

Not sure why it is so far fetched that he may be a Muslim. Or what is worse that he is a closet Muslim or a Christian in the mold of Jeremiah Wright? Neither one is desirable. I personally think he has a lot of influence in his decisions from his Muslim past. As far as what he says just about everything the man has said has been a lie or some kind of BS. So call me nuts but there are a lot of people that believe he is more Muslim then Christian. Only time will tell who is right. I hope most of you are for sure.

382 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:34:21am

re: #377 John Neverbend

My impression is that his speechwriters are sometimes careless or callous or even both.

Might be, but my point is, I don't think he comes up with those quotes from the Koran on his own.

383 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:34:41am

Well, if we borrow a page from the European media's style guide, does that mean he's now a Secret Asian Man?

384 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:34:46am

re: #363 lawhawk

As usual, your comment is astute, but misses my point about Koran. Of course his speechwriters can insert references to Koran in his speeches on command. But consider the hubris, the arrogance, of lecturing Muslims on their own religion by quoting Koran repeatedly in your speeches when you're a professing Christian.

Unless of course, you're giving Muslims Zombie's proverbial wink and nod-- that you're quoting Koran because you have a Muslim background, place weight and importance in the Prophet's recital, and know what you're talking about.

Uh, Charles-- maybe Gaffney's "read between the lines" take isn't so crazy after all?

385 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:34:47am

re: #342 sattv4u2

Once that woman drove away from McDonalds with the HOT coffee that she ordered and put in her OWN lap and it spilled because SHE fumbled with it and the jury awarded her money, all bets were off !

Although, I think there is a distinction between the McDonald's coffee case and the Cap'n Crunch nonsense. Having spilled hot coffee on myself before, I know the consequences - it hurts and leaves a red mark on my skin. Too bad, too sad, I'm usually willing to accept this consequence for the benefit of not being careful. The McDonald's coffee was super-heated to save money. Which is fine, if the public is warned that the coffee's temperature is not like the coffee thay make at home or buy at a 7-11 or somewhere else. If you spill this coffee on you, it may result in skin grafts at the hospital. Bottom line - discomfort and redness - what I would expect from being careless and spilling coffee on myself. Skin grafts, not so much (at least before this case became well known.)

386 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:35:13am

re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother, whose annual alcohol intake is limited to a couple of sips of champagne at weddings, once tried a bit of my Guinness and commented "It's more like food than I thought it would be."

IIRC, didn't the British prescribe Guinness during WWII for pregnant women, as it was a good source of iron? If that's so, it's food!

;-)

387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:35:20am

Well, DUH!

Love or lust, Obama and the fawning press need to get a room

When Barack Obama decided that questions from the German press about his trip agenda in that country were too pesky, he told the reporters, "So, stop it all of you!" He just wanted them to ask things he wanted to talk about. Well, what politico wouldn't want that?

OK, dad. We'll behave.

And according to a new Pew Research Center poll, we are behaving...like fans. On domestic press, it showed that "President Barack Obama has enjoyed substantially more positive media coverage than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush during their first months in the White House" with "roughly twice as much" Obama coverage about his "personal or leadership qualities" than was the case for either previous president.

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:35:24am

re: #383 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, if we borrow a page from the European media's style guide, does that mean he's now a Secret Asian Man?

He's secretly Pakistani?

389 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:35:51am

re: #381 oldschool

Not sure why it is so far fetched that he may be a Muslim. Or what is worse that he is a closet Muslim or a Christian in the mold of Jeremiah Wright? Neither one is desirable. I personally think he has a lot of influence in his decisions from his Muslim past. As far as what he says just about everything the man has said has been a lie or some kind of BS. So call me nuts but there are a lot of people that believe he is more Muslim then Christian. Only time will tell who is right. I hope most of you are for sure.

Face it, Obama will be whatever you want him to be... until the expiration date hits on that statement.

390 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:35:56am

YAY! My connection is fixed!

391 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:35:59am

re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother, whose annual alcohol intake is limited to a couple of sips of champagne at weddings, once tried a bit of my Guinness and commented "It's more like food than I thought it would be."

Did it grow hair on her chest yet? That's one side-effect.

392 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #389 MrSilverDragon

Face it, Obama will be whatever you want him to be... until the expiration date hits on that statement.

Until it suits him to not be that.

393 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:36:30am

re: #381 oldschool

So call me nuts but there are a lot of people that believe he is more Muslim then Christian.

There are also a lot of people that beleive we never landed on the moon!

So I'll take you up on your offer

You're nuts!

(there ,, feel better?)

394 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:36:44am

re: #373 restitutor orbis

Although I don't think BHO is a real Muslim(and lets face it, Jeremiah Wright is more batshit crazy than any imam), he certainly panders enough to them.
I think calling him the first Muslim President, in the context of Clintons "blackness" is not out of the realm of reason.

But that is *not* the context. President Clinton's "blackness" was praise, not because being black is in and of itself praiseworthy, but because it was intended as praise. President Obama's reputed Islam is a vicious smear, not because Islam is in and of itself smear-worthy, but because it is intended as a smear. In the palette of insults, if provocateur is blue and traitor is red, this is a whole 'nother fucking palette of insult.

Face it--Frank Gaffney just went all Pam Geller. Stop making excuses, or risk going down that shit-spattered path yourselves.

395 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:36:54am

re: #392 Desert Dog

Until it suits him to not be that.

Better wording. Thanks. :)

396 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:37:11am

re: #378 iceweasel

That'd be my guess as well. He did what he had to do to be elected.

And not all "doing what he/she had to do to get elected" is created equal. Its all a matter of opinion obviously, but this doesn't bother me.

397 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:37:20am

re: #373 restitutor orbis

Although I don't think BHO is a real Muslim(and lets face it, Jeremiah Wright is more batshit crazy than any imam), he certainly panders enough to them.
I think calling him the first Muslim President, in the context of Clintons "blackness" is not out of the realm of reason.

If by that you mean that he is the first U.S. president that the Muslim population can significantly relate to, I think that's probably fair. He has more in common with them than any predecessor, by virtue of his ancestry, if nothing else.

(Wright is a crazy bastard, yes, but more crazy than any imam? I wouldn't go that far.)

398 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:37:48am

re: #323 Thanos

He's with "Center for Security Policy" but also appears to be a journalist for the Times? The Regents

He works for the Washington Times, the paper owned by the Rev Moon.

399 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:38:16am

re: #390 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

YAY! My connection is fixed!

don't blame me ,, I didn't break it!

400 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:38:33am

Sadly intimidation does work

Slain Kansas abortion provider's clinic to close
Jun 9 11:48 AM US/Eastern
By ROXANA HEGEMAN
Associated Press Writer

WICHITA, Kan. (AP) - The family of slain abortion provider George Tiller said Tuesday that his Wichita clinic will be "permanently closed," effective immediately.

In a statement released by Tiller's attorneys, his family said it is ceasing operation of Women's Health Care Services Inc. and any involvement by family members in any other similar clinic.

"We are proud of the service and courage shown by our husband and father and know that women's health care needs have been met because of his dedication and service," the family said.

401 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:38:42am

re: #390 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

YAY! My connection is fixed!

So you're not going to have any little connections running around the house, then? Was it a spay or neuter?

/I like cheese.

402 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:39:24am

re: #367 avanti

Actually, the lawyer for the lady who scalded herself with McDonald's coffee developed evidence that the coffee was boiling hot, and that many other customers had suffered from similar injuries. The jury was punishing McDonald's for failing to correct a pre-existing hazard the company had known about for a long, long time.

403 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:39:49am

re: #398 iceweasel

He works for the Washington Times, the paper owned by the Rev Moon.

Yeah, but everyone knows that from the article already I hope...

404 Lee Coller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:40:05am

re: #307 zombie

You say that in jest, but according to the article:

"Judge England also noted another federal court had "previously rejected substantially similar claims directed against the packaging of Fruit [sic] Loops cereal, and brought by these same Plaintiff attorneys." He found that their attack on "Crunchberries" should fare no better than their prior claims that "Froot Loops" did not contain real froot."

Yes, but wait til she finds out Cap'n Crunch isn't a real Captain!

405 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:40:50am

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Lots of Christians are reliigious scholars, professional or amateur, and are familiar with the Koran. Obama also has speechwriters special effects.

/and the emperor has no clothes.........

406 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:41:08am

re: #402 quickjustice

Actually, the lawyer for the lady who scalded herself with McDonald's coffee developed evidence that the coffee was boiling hot, and that many other customers had suffered from similar injuries. The jury was punishing McDonald's for failing to correct a pre-existing hazard the company had known about for a long, long time.

It's still hot. I took my kids there this weekend and I had to put some ice in it before I could drink it.

407 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:41:10am

re: #399 sattv4u2

don't blame me ,, I didn't break it!

Someone is protesting a bit too much.

I've got my eye on you.

408 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:41:55am
409 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:42:05am

re: #404 Lee Coller

Yes, but wait til she finds out Cap'n Crunch isn't a real Captain!

Won't Toni Tennille be surprised! ;)

410 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:42:27am

re: #403 Thanos

Yeah, but everyone knows that from the article already I hope...

Oh, i hope so too, but I often see people conflate "the Times" with the NY Times, or the Washington Post with the Washington Times....I didn't think *you* were doing that, but I always want to be careful about how the Washington Times is referred to. Just being a pedant. :)

411 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:42:30am

re: #407 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Someone is protesting a bit too much.

I've got my eye on you.

eeewww ,,, now I have a slimey eyeball on me and you have a bloody empty eye socket !

grooosssssss

412 Abu Lahab  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:43:21am

re: #408 buzzsawmonkey

I like the first sister more

413 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:43:54am

re: #384 quickjustice

It's similar to the Pope lecturing as to religious tolerance and invoking the Koran in a discussion of Islam; you'd quote the parts of the Koran to support your thesis. You don't have to be a Muslim to quote it.

Here's where Gaffney gets all screwed up. It's not whether Obama is Muslim. He isn't according to Obama himself. That's good enough for me. But I wasn't the target audience. The Middle East, which is chock full of Muslims (just about 1 billion or so).

It's how Muslims view Obama. Do some see him as Muslim (because he was born to a Muslim parent)? I'd say so. Does that mean that he's got some special rapport? Not at all, and some Muslims who see him as a Muslim would also think him apostate because he doesn't practice.

His lecture falls flat because actions speak louder than words, and Obama has largely followed Bush's policies on the Middle East - while tweaking them around the fringes, and willingly jumped into the Arab-Israeli peace mess thinking he could be the difference-maker, ignoring decades of such sentiments and the facts on the ground that show that unless and until Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, there can be no peace.

He's trying to be all things to all people, and he's failing. More to the point, he can't be all things to all people because it is contradictory on its face.

414 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:44:07am

re: #411 sattv4u2

eeewww ,,, now I have a slimey eyeball on me and you have a bloody empty eye socket !

grooosssssss

Heh, heh. Reminds me of a line from the old book The Education of Hyman Kaplan:

"If your eye falls on a bargain, pick it up."

415 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:44:21am

Judge as you wish to be judged. Say what you wish to be heard! Obama is not anything but a political "snack oil" salesman! This is a perfect example of how STUPID the American voter has become. My beef is not in his religion but in his policies.... Rhetoric is for the masses but when his administration says "the American people voted me in and thats it" this hubris pisses me OFF! I do recall only 53% voted him in and yes this is a majority but he is OUR president not just the political lefts! He is a representative of AMERICA and those 53% DID NOT give him a blank check or allow him to print all the blank checks he wanted either...who cares what his religion is he needs to be brought back to reality and represent ALL OF US!

416 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:44:44am

re: #400 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sadly intimidation does work

Slain Kansas abortion provider's clinic to close
Jun 9 11:48 AM US/Eastern
By ROXANA HEGEMAN
Associated Press Writer

How awful!

417 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:44:49am

re: #387 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, DUH!

Love or lust, Obama and the fawning press need to get a room

How long before they drag Bronstein out and execute him?

HERETIC! TRAITOR!
///////

418 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:45:23am

And here I thought the world would instantly love us when Obama was elected

Jun 8, 2009 21:06 %P% Updated Jun 9, 2009 16:20
'Feel the hate' for Obama
By TORI CHEIFETZ

A new video posted on the Internet featuring inebriated American Jewish youth in a Jerusalem bar spouting hate-filled sentiments has garnered massive exposure and caused a firestorm in the media and the Jewish world.

In the video, filmed on June 3 and titled "Feeling the Hate in Jerusalem on the Eve of Obama's Cairo Address," the visitors to Israel are asked their opinions on President Barack Obama and his relationship to the Jewish state.

419 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:45:25am

Strong Bomb Hits Hotel in Northwest Pakistan

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A powerful explosion Friday outside a five-star hotel in the northwestern city of Peshawar killed at least five people and wounded 25, Pakistani officials.

The blast was powerful enough to be heard for miles, witnesses said, and television images showed wounded people, with blood stained clothes, being helped out of the smoke filled lobby of the hotel, the Pearl Continental, which is one of the few major hotels in the city that cater to Western visitors.

Initial news reports suggested that militants opened fire on guards at the hotel and then rushed a vehicle loaded with explosives at a security check post. Similar tactics were used on May 28 by militants who attempted to attack the headquarters of the Pakistani intelligence service in Lahore, killing 26 people.

420 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:45:39am

re: #384 quickjustice

Let me be clear: I don't think President Obama is a secret Muslim. I do think he is capable of creating ambiguity on the issue by design, as he did in his speech in Egypt.

421 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:46:11am

re: #44 Ben Hur

Everyone's missing the most important point.

It's not that he's Muslim.

It's not that he's Christian.

IT'S THAT HE'S NOT JEWISH!

Just last week a Jewish commenter here was recounting how some of his/her acquaintances were claiming that Barry 0 had "a Jewish soul" (¡WTF!), and that these claims had given the poster a genuine case of spiritual identity crisis.

Depressing stuff all-around, but not unexpected.

422 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:46:33am

re: #420 quickjustice

Let me be clear: I don't think President Obama is a secret Muslim. I do think he is capable of creating ambiguity on the issue by design, as he did in his speech in Egypt.

He's whatever you want him to be!

423 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:46:35am

re: #386 subsailor68

IIRC, didn't the British prescribe Guinness during WWII for pregnant women, as it was a good source of iron? If that's so, it's food!

Apparently, this is a bobbemyseh or old wives' tale.

Guinness

424 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:47:28am

re: #422 Ward Cleaver

He's whatever you want him to be!

I want him to be packing during the early part of January 2013

425 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:47:29am

re: #422 Ward Cleaver

He's whatever you want him to be!

An ex-president?

426 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:47:42am

re: #418 FurryOldGuyJeans

And here I thought the world would instantly love us when Obama was elected

Jun 8, 2009 21:06 %P% Updated Jun 9, 2009 16:20
'Feel the hate' for Obama
By TORI CHEIFETZ

Drunk foul-mouthed kids are the same all over the world.

The article doesn't mention that the site where this video was made, was the site of some horrific terrorist attacks.

427 Desert Dog  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:47:49am

re: #423 John Neverbend

Apparently, this is a bobbemyseh or old wives' tale.

Guinness

What about Dad, can he drink all he wants?

428 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:48:00am

re: #420 quickjustice

Let me be clear: I don't think President Obama is a secret Muslim. I do think he is capable of creating ambiguity on the issue by design, as he did in his speech in Egypt.

Makes sense to me. In my opinion, as long as it does no harm, and I don't see how it would, I have no problem with this.

429 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #418 FurryOldGuyJeans

Another member of the group stands up and declares, "I worked for the Obama campaign, but honestly, you f**kin' with Israel, you mother, STOP IT!" He stands and points his finger at the camera lens.

"White power, f**k the ni***rs!" declares the bandana-clad drunken youth as a final word from the group, grabbing the microphone to make his point.

A Jewish kid in Israel yelling "White Power"? Somebody smack this kid with a clue bat.

430 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:48:35am

re: #422 Ward Cleaver

He's whatever you want him to be!

He won't be what I want him to be, a former President.

Well, he will be, eventually ;)

431 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:49:24am

re: #427 Desert Dog

What about Dad, can he drink all he wants?

It is one of my favourite tipples.

432 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:49:52am

re: #423 John Neverbend

Apparently, this is a bobbemyseh or old wives' tale.

Guinness

When I was nursing my babies, back in the day, I was told that drinking beer was good for the quality and quantity of the milk produced.

Hey, none of my kids ever complained!

433 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:50:05am
434 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:50:11am

re: #425 Nevergiveup

An ex-president?

Not if he can help it! ;)

435 leereyno  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:50:53am

Is being a 20 year follower of Jeremiah Wright somehow BETTER than being the follower of a medieval death cult?

Whitey is the devil vs Jews are the devil.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

436 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:50:54am

re: #425 Nevergiveup

An ex-president?

Works for me!

Or maybe Blago's cellmate?

437 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:51:00am

re: #429 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

A Jewish kid in Israel yelling "White Power"? Somebody smack this kid with a clue bat.

Jews can be stupid also. Well I guess you know that because so many voted for Obama? Thank G-D I can watch the Yankees-Red Sox tonight and forget.

438 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:51:07am

re: #429 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

A Jewish kid in Israel yelling "White Power"? Somebody smack this kid with a clue bat.

You'd sooner break the clue bat than "enlighten" the lad.

439 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:52:15am

re: #423 John Neverbend

Apparently, this is a bobbemyseh or old wives' tale.

Guinness

Rats! But wait!

Guinness good for you - official

A pint of the black stuff a day may work as well as an aspirin to prevent heart clots that raise the risk of heart attacks.

Since I'm not a pregnant woman, but am a guy who's worried about my heart, I'll be back after a quick pint.

;-)

440 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:52:41am

re: #4 zombie

It seems like he's just using a rhetorical flourish. From the article:

"During his White House years, William Jefferson Clinton -- someone Judge Sonia Sotomayor might call a "white male" -- was dubbed "America's first black president" by a black admirer. Applying the standard of identity politics and pandering to a special interest that earned Mr. Clinton that distinction, Barack Hussein Obama would have to be considered America's first Muslim president.

This is not to say, necessarily, that Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim any more than Mr. Clinton actually is black"

Though he throws doubt in there with the "necessarily," and an inflammatory headline, to appeal to the fearful.

Zombie, this is the second time that I have been either A) too dense to follow your Devil's-advocate rhetoric, or B) disappointed by your apologetics for Devilish rhetoric.

You shed some light by including preceding context, but did more damage than good by omitting the following context. Gaffney said:

With Mr. Obama’s unbelievably ballyhooed address in Cairo Thursday to what he calls “the Muslim world” (hereafter known as “the Speech”), there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.

There is "mounting evidence" only if suddenly pandering and an inflated sense of one's own skill are no longer reasonable explanations for a politician's actions. By your own assessment, the author's intent is to sow fear. Do you think that his intent is only to sow fear long enough to sell a paper, or to generate a few more clicks than he would have without compromising his integrity? Or do you think that perhaps his intent to create fear is the POINT?

441 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:53:21am

re: #418 FurryOldGuyJeans

And here I thought the world would instantly love us when Obama was elected

Jun 8, 2009 21:06 %P% Updated Jun 9, 2009 16:20
'Feel the hate' for Obama
By TORI CHEIFETZ

That video is embarrassing for many reasons, not least of which is that it proves that drunk kids are the same all over the world.

My favourite is the political science major who declares she "knows her shit" and then doesn't know who Benjamin Netanyahu is. "Who is Benjamin Yahoo?" she asks her friends.

Or maybe it's the drunk guy who says he's going to the White House to teabag Obama and then calls Obama a "faggot". Huh?

442 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:53:42am

If one refers to the Islamic story of Isra when speaking to Egyptians does that make one a Muslim?
If one refers to the Christian story of the sermon on the mount when addressing Americans does that make one a Christian?
No more or less, I think, than it makes one a Jew if one refers to the Jewish laws when addressing Israelis.
OTOH whether one can be accused of craven pandering by doing so is quite another question.

443 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:54:24am

re: #397 capitalist piglet

(Wright is a crazy bastard, yes, but more crazy than any imam? I wouldn't go that far.)

Well, it's all far enough that at any rate, the difference is hard to see from here.

444 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:55:07am

re: #441 iceweasel

That video is embarrassing for many reasons, not least of which is that it proves that drunk kids are the same all over the world.

My favourite is the political science major who declares she "knows her shit" and then doesn't know who Benjamin Netanyahu is. "Who is Benjamin Yahoo?" she asks her friends.

Or maybe it's the drunk guy who says he's going to the White House to teabag Obama and then calls Obama a "faggot". Huh?

What do you mean all over the world. They might have been in Jerusalem, but those were all Americans.

445 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:55:11am

re: #428 Flyers1974

re: #413 lawhawk

Lawhawk has addressed your point correctly in #413. For President Obama to discredit himself with this grandiose posturing on the international stage hurts the entire country.

446 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:57:31am

re: #444 Nevergiveup

What do you mean all over the world. They might have been in Jerusalem, but those were all Americans.

All of them? The vast majority of them are, I thought a couple had dual citizenship.

447 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:58:48am

re: #402 quickjustice

Actually, the lawyer for the lady who scalded herself with McDonald's coffee developed evidence that the coffee was boiling hot, and that many other customers had suffered from similar injuries. The jury was punishing McDonald's for failing to correct a pre-existing hazard the company had known about for a long, long time.

When I want my coffee, I want it hot. Now I have a hard time getting it that way. Like a lot of people who go through the drive-through, I want to pour my coffee into a travel cup and have it be hot when I get where I'm going.
The woman, poor thing, had used her knees to hold the cup without the lid on, so she could use both hands to open her sugar or creamer packet. Had she used her hands to hold the very hot coffee, she would have been fine. Humans evolved opposable thumbs *precisely* to keep hot coffee out of your fiddly bits.

448 Abu Lahab  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:58:49am

re: #429 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This reminds me of the scum who formed a neo-Nazi group in Israel They should send them to the Gaza!

449 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:00:21pm

re: #446 iceweasel

All of them? The vast majority of them are, I thought a couple had dual citizenship.

How would you know if they had dual citizenship's?

450 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:01:55pm

re: #413 lawhawk

It's similar to the Pope lecturing as to religious tolerance and invoking the Koran in a discussion of Islam; you'd quote the parts of the Koran to support your thesis. You don't have to be a Muslim to quote it.

Here's where Gaffney gets all screwed up. It's not whether Obama is Muslim. He isn't according to Obama himself. That's good enough for me. But I wasn't the target audience. The Middle East, which is chock full of Muslims (just about 1 billion or so).

It's how Muslims view Obama. Do some see him as Muslim (because he was born to a Muslim parent)? I'd say so. Does that mean that he's got some special rapport? Not at all, and some Muslims who see him as a Muslim would also think him apostate because he doesn't practice.

His lecture falls flat because actions speak louder than words, and Obama has largely followed Bush's policies on the Middle East - while tweaking them around the fringes, and willingly jumped into the Arab-Israeli peace mess thinking he could be the difference-maker, ignoring decades of such sentiments and the facts on the ground that show that unless and until Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, there can be no peace.

He's trying to be all things to all people, and he's failing. More to the point, he can't be all things to all people because it is contradictory on its face.

Where Gaffney and Obama are at real loggerheads is over Missile Defense, but that doesn't come up. Gaffney's been around awhile, didn't he appear as guest on Fox a few times? I remember him testifying on Law of the Sea a long time ago too iirc.

451 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:03:10pm

re: #449 Nevergiveup

How would you know if they had dual citizenship's?

The guy who made this video and originally posted it--i saw it a couple of days ago--I'll find it for you if you like. His description.

(We're not disagreeing here, btw-- they're American jews in israel)

452 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:03:14pm
453 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:04:44pm

re: #413 lawhawk

Here's where Gaffney gets all screwed up. It's not whether Obama is Muslim. He isn't according to Obama himself. That's good enough for me. But I wasn't the target audience.
...
He's trying to be all things to all people, and he's failing. More to the point, he can't be all things to all people because it is contradictory on its face.

Absolutely. This Sekrit Mozlem hogwash is lunacy, pure and simple. Gaffney certainly seems to have "gone there".

454 kansas  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:06:20pm

re: #453 haakondahl

Absolutely. This Sekrit Mozlem hogwash is lunacy, pure and simple. Gaffney certainly seems to have "gone there".

Or did he? "This is not to say, necessarily, that Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim any more than Mr. Clinton actually is black."

455 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:06:55pm

re: #371 iceweasel

easy there.

Gaffney has "lost the plot" as the British say.

Obama's religious convictions are a completely separate issue. He looks to me like he's faking it for political purposes.

456 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:06:57pm

re: #454 kansas

Or did he? "This is not to say, necessarily, that Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim any more than Mr. Clinton actually is black."

Ahem.

...there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.

457 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:08:20pm

Here you go: Max Blumenthal is the filmmaker, this was filmed the eve before the Cairo speech, here is the original post and video and his commentary:

[Link: maxblumenthal.com...]

On the eve of President Barack Obama’s address to the Muslim world from Cairo, Egypt, I stepped out onto the streets of Jerusalem with my friend Joseph Dana to interview young Israelis and American Jews about their reaction to the speech. We encountered rowdy groups of beer sodden twenty-somethings, many from the United States, and all eager to vent their visceral, even violent hatred of Barack Obama and his policies towards Israel.

Joesph Dana says

Most of the people that we talked to were dual American Israeli citizens. The answers in this video reflect the education and worrisome perspectives that many American Jews harbor towards Israeli politics.

Anyway, there's much more at the link. This has been floating around the lib blogosphere since the Cairo speech.

458 AZDave  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:08:36pm

re: #44 Ben Hur

Everyone's missing the most important point.

It's not that he's Muslim.

It's not that he's Christian.

IT'S THAT HE'S NOT JEWISH!

Well, that's one thing to be grateful for -- one less thing we Jews can be blame for.

459 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:09:14pm

re: #445 quickjustice

re: #413 lawhawk

Lawhawk has addressed your point correctly in #413. For President Obama to discredit himself with this grandiose posturing on the international stage hurts the entire country.

I don't know. I think Obama's target audience (besides US voters obviously) was the average muslim on the street, the idea being NOT that he would be able to change a terrorist's or future terrorist's views, but instead that he could help foster an atmosphere where there is less aid and comfort for same. A "hearts and minds" type argument. Now don't get me wrong, I don't exactly have high hopes that this will work, I wouldn't bet you my life savings on this working, but I'm guessing that is his rational. Lawhawk's statement aside, I personally think Obama's speech is a wash. Won't effect anything either way and will soon be forgotten by all.

460 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:11:23pm

re: #457 iceweasel

Here you go: Max Blumenthal is the filmmaker, this was filmed the eve before the Cairo speech, here is the original post and video and his commentary:

[Link: maxblumenthal.com...]

Anyway, there's much more at the link. This has been floating around the lib blogosphere since the Cairo speech.

I saw the video last week, and I don't think it says anything at all about the perspectives of Israelis, unless you think a bunch of drunk teenagers in a party district represent the average Israeli perspective of anything.

461 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:11:31pm

re: #229 Charles

More importantly, nobody will want to eat it even if it's 3/4ths ice cream [and 1/4th dog krep].

A variant of Schopenhauer's law of entropy :-)

If you mix a spoonful of wine with a barrel of sewage you get sewage.

If you mix a spoonful of sewage with a barrel of wine you get... sewage.

462 jvic  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:13:55pm

The Gaffney piece is a good start, but it's only the tip of the iceberg.

I heard there's a video of Obama bowing toward Mecca and praying in Arabic. It's being suppressed by the same people who are blocking release of the Michelle Obama whitey tape.

And why doesn't the MSM reveal that Sonia Sotomayor is Hugo Chavez's twin sister?

/ (Hopefully unnecessary but you never know.)

463 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:16:22pm

re: #460 Charles

I saw the video last week, and I don't think it says anything at all about the perspectives of Israelis, unless you think a bunch of drunk teenagers in a party district represent the average Israeli perspective of anything.

Also, I know my compatriots well enough to know that they often like to "take the p*ss" on opinion pollers, condescending documentary film makers,... (It's also one reason why our opinion polls are even less reliable than anywhere else.)

464 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:18:18pm

re: #455 Kenneth

easy there.

Gaffney has "lost the plot" as the British say.

Obama's religious convictions are a completely separate issue. He looks to me like he's faking it for political purposes.

I read Gaffney as Charles has: Gaffney is making a point about Obama's alleged religious convictions: he's claiming that "there is mounting evidence" that Obama is a Muslim.

In this kind of climate it makes sense to me that Obama would have to emphasise or play up his Christianity. So while we'd agree that he's doing so for political purposes, I don't consider it especially surprising.

I personally don't find it that offensive, although that obviously is a matter of opinion and people can disagree on it.

465 Abu Lahab  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:18:34pm

re: #457 iceweasel

I wouldn't give much significance to this video, for God's sake, there is one shouting "White Power", and the rest seem to be half-drunk to totally drunk. This is a sentimental video in my opinion, not an objective one. The coming months will show however if this sentiment will spread more or not.

466 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #460 Charles

I saw the video last week, and I don't think it says anything at all about the perspectives of Israelis, unless you think a bunch of drunk teenagers in a party district represent the average Israeli perspective of anything.

I'd agree with that; I don't think it shows anything but that drunken american kids are rude and uneducated (as I mentioned earlier).

People didn't know the source of the video or who made it; I thought it'd be useful to have all that info.

467 Lee Coller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:26:34pm

Gaffeny's statement is self-contradictory. It makes no sense. I am unable to reconcile the first paragraph quoted with the last.

Sounds like he's worded the statement so he can deny he said Obama is a muslim when he said Obama may actually be a Muslim.

468 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:29:36pm

re: #418 FurryOldGuyJeans

And here I thought the world would instantly love us when Obama was elected

Jun 8, 2009 21:06 %P% Updated Jun 9, 2009 16:20
'Feel the hate' for Obama
By TORI CHEIFETZ

The film maker is an activist for a far-leftist pro-Arab group named "Taayush". I'm not sure I would take this very seriously.

That many, if not most, Israelis mistrust 0bama and/or his administration is public knowledge. I've heard people who are not right-wingers, and are generally quite astute about world affairs, openly say "Israel has previous survived hostile US administrations" when referring to 0bama.

Besides, we've had some really bad experience of our own with "affirmative action politicians", such as Amir "anusclown" Peretz (who parlayed his Moroccan origin into the defense ministry, where he nearly led us to disaster in the 2nd Lebanon war), Moshe Katsav, Yitzhak Mordechai,...

Some settlers did pay 0bama a compliment though: they added some more dwellings to their wildcat outpost and called them "0bama huts"...

469 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:32:55pm

it is obvious and understandable how people could think he is a moslem.
his genuflecting behavior like no other potus before him is outrageous,
running around the world praising islam, lying abt. all the great contributions islam has made to the world and america, insisting that islam is peaceful and tolerant toward other religions, and acting as if it is our problem that we don't understand the screed that is now responsible for over 13,000 terrorist attacks the world over since 9-11.
o's own fawning over and deceitfulness abt the r.o.p while never focusing on the horrors committing in the name of islam is seen by many, as at least such a blind love and support as islam, that he may as well be a moslem, even if he says he is not one.
if his behavior continues, the question will be, who cares if he says he isn't a moslem, he is acting like one?

470 amir  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:32:57pm

re: #460 Charles

Joseph Dana from Max Blumenthals web page: " These people reflect the sentiments shared by many people in this country and this city. These people and their families are the core of the opposition to meaningful peace between Israel and her neighbors. This is what Obama is up against."

I'm speechless. These people are smart enough to make a movie and a web page (that's a lot smarter than me) and yet lack any common sense or ability for simple analysis and reasoning. It's these kind of liberal Jews (I'm assuming) that the rest of us are up against.

471 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:34:28pm

re: #256 quickjustice

I surmise that Limbaugh, having been informed that GM is yanking its advertising on his show at the behest of the Obama Administration, is retaliating with a call for a boycott of "Government Motors". This is a duel to the death. Will the reorganized GM build cars Americans want to buy? Only if consumer preference are what drive future car production, not government policy preferences. With or without a boycott, GM likely is cooked if the government dictates the types of cars that can be produced.

GM is already cooked. The question is whether the unholy illegally re-animated corpse will be allowed to walk the Earth, stalking the healthy, infecting the strong, feeding upon the weak.

Fear-mongering has its uses, you know.

472 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:35:01pm

re: #467 Lee Coller

Gaffeny's statement is self-contradictory. It makes no sense. I am unable to reconcile the first paragraph quoted with the last.

Sounds like he's worded the statement so he can deny he said Obama is a muslim when he said Obama may actually be a Muslim.

Yup. Sounds like weasel words.

473 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:39:59pm

re: #470 amir

It's these kind of liberal Jews (I'm assuming) that the rest of us are up against.

"radical" is closer to the mark than "liberal" in the case of these flim-flam makers.

474 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:42:34pm

re: #470 amir

Joseph Dana from Max Blumenthals web page: " These people reflect the sentiments shared by many people in this country and this city. These people and their families are the core of the opposition to meaningful peace between Israel and her neighbors. This is what Obama is up against."

I'm speechless. These people are smart enough to make a movie and a web page (that's a lot smarter than me) and yet lack any common sense or ability for simple analysis and reasoning. It's these kind of liberal Jews (I'm assuming) that the rest of us are up against.

Well, notice that the filmmakers had separate statements....Dana's obviously wrong to infer that this is indicative of what *Israelis* actually think.
Blumenthal's statement read to me like he thinks the opposite--that it shows that some American Jews feels a sense of entitlement over Israeli politics.

For the record, I myself think it shows a bunch of drunken ill-informed kids in a party district who are only indicative of drunken ill-informed kids anywhere-- you could make similarly offensive videos on any political topic in any late night party district filled with drunk kids.

It's kind of like diving into the message boards at Free Republic or Democratic Underground and then claiming those comments are representative of anything.

475 amir  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:54:16pm

re: #474 iceweasel

This is what Blumenfeld said:
"Quite simply, it contains some of the most shocking footage I have ever filmed."
Is this guy an idiot or what? I watched it again to make sure I didn't miss anything. It's a bunch of drunks shouting profanities about their President (I assume by their accent that they are all American, maybe some are dual, but I doubt it except for the religious guy). What's new about that? Did this guy Max ever go to college? This is the worst he's ever seen?

476 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:59:52pm

re: #475 amir

This is what Blumenfeld said:
"Quite simply, it contains some of the most shocking footage I have ever filmed."
Is this guy an idiot or what? I watched it again to make sure I didn't miss anything. It's a bunch of drunks shouting profanities about their President (I assume by their accent that they are all American, maybe some are dual, but I doubt it except for the religious guy). What's new about that? Did this guy Max ever go to college? This is the worst he's ever seen?

Yeah, I thought that was ridiculous too. "some of the most shocking footage I have ever filmed"-- only if you've never been to the bars in any college district on any weekend night.

477 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:07:11pm

re: #459 Flyers1974

I'd agree with you. I also think Obama is smart enough not to imagine that this speech would be a single worldchanging event, but rather that he meant it to be the first of many steps he'd be taking to foster the atmosphere you're talking about--the kind of hearts and minds approach. Step one in a very, very long term game.

It's a further question whether that's going to work; I don't have very high hopes.

478 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:16:16pm

re: #464 iceweasel

Obama was doing it long before the he was elected. It's a pose he adopted to help get elected. But he does not do it convincingly. Has he even found a new church to attend after Rev. Wright's Hate Palace got too controversial for him?

479 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:16:54pm

re: #477 iceweasel

It's a further question whether that's going to work; I don't have very high hopes.

Amen to that.

480 The Left  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:28:27pm

re: #478 Kenneth

Obama was doing it long before the he was elected. It's a pose he adopted to help get elected.

Yes, and I don't find that particularly annoying or offensive or surprising--though some people will.

But he does not do it convincingly. Has he even found a new church to attend after Rev. Wright's Hate Palace got too controversial for him?

No, he hasn't. I haven't seen anyone argue this, but to me this goes to show that religion probably isn't any kind of big deal to Obama. He attended Wright's church because it was politically expedient at that time; he dropped it when it ceased to be so. I don't think he was paying much attention to any of it. Now he hasn't even picked a new church.

I tend to think he's not very religious.

It's interesting that Reagan didn't make a big deal out of church attendance but since then it's always seemed to pop up in our politics.

481 Cato  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:31:01pm

We know exactly what Obama is, and it isn't good.

He is a professional politician.

482 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:02:55pm

re: #477 iceweasel

I doubt there is anything any president can do to change the way people think in Egypt, for example. Does anyone want Hosni Mubarak overthrown? And if they do, can they say for sure what comes next? Therefore presidents have either half-meausres or doing nothing as realistic options.

483 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:06:32pm

re: #481 Cato

We know exactly what Obama is, and it isn't good.

He is a professional politician.

I would say that any president or serious presidential contender is a professional politician. WHo was the last president who wasn't?

484 ihateronpaul  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:14:08pm

re: #198 sattv4u2

It didn't come from Limbaugh, it came from Toni Morrison ,,, a BLACK woman

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I don't care who originated it, my use of the word "spouting" implies that he says it. And he does, you can't deny that. Just because a black person said a stupid comment about race doesn't make it legitimate.

485 Maui Girl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:19:16pm

re: #10 J.S.

Well, for all you freezing Canadians, Hawaii is still open for business!

486 avspatti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:44:37pm

re: #51 tradewind

Wait til they send AlGore to NK.... it'll throw the whole climate change thing into a new level of chaos.
You just know he can get the norks to clean up their carbon footprint....

They have a carbon footprint?

487 Altermite  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 4:20:19pm

re: #469 nyc redneck

it is obvious and understandable how people could think he is a moslem.
his genuflecting behavior like no other potus before him is outrageous,
running around the world praising islam, lying abt. all the great contributions islam has made to the world and america, insisting that islam is peaceful and tolerant toward other religions, and acting as if it is our problem that we don't understand the screed that is now responsible for over 13,000 terrorist attacks the world over since 9-11.
o's own fawning over and deceitfulness abt the r.o.p while never focusing on the horrors committing in the name of islam is seen by many, as at least such a blind love and support as islam, that he may as well be a moslem, even if he says he is not one.
if his behavior continues, the question will be, who cares if he says he isn't a moslem, he is acting like one?

His genuflecting behavior? Are you refering to his 'bow'?

And I'm pretty sure you didn't watch the same speech I did. Although he miffed the misogyny angle, he had some very strongly worded statements about their other nastier habits- holocaust denial and culture of violence. He was hardly 'blindly supporting it.

Yes, he called it the religion of peace, and said some nice things about them. He might have thought it less confrontational than calling them all crazy murderers and insulted their mothers. I can't say that I blame him- giving arabs a bit fo credit for some culturual advances that occured during and in their empires isn't a serious stretch, and he loses nothing by it, while making them feel good- and therefore slightly more willing to listen to him.

488 neoconundrum  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 5:13:48pm

Frank Gaffney has been such a staunch supporter of Israel over the years, the least I can do is cut him a break for his "egregious" comparison to our first black president Bubba.

Sheesh.

489 Code Red 21  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 5:50:31pm

re: #483 Flyers1974

I would say that any president or serious presidential contender is a professional politician. WHo was the last president who wasn't?

Washington?

490 AFVetWife  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 6:05:17pm

OK - I'M ready for bed. It's after 9 PM EDT. Hope to drop by again soon.

491 Aye Pod  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 6:19:00pm

re: #460 Charles

I saw the video last week, and I don't think it says anything at all about the perspectives of Israelis, unless you think a bunch of drunk teenagers in a party district represent the average Israeli perspective of anything.

I read on Harry's Place that they were mostly Americans in the video.

492 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #488 neoconundrum

Frank Gaffney has been such a staunch supporter of Israel over the years, the least I can do is cut him a break for his "egregious" comparison to our first black president Bubba.

Sheesh.

I've given Frank Gaffney a lot of links over the years, too, and agreed with things he's written. This column goes too far.

493 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 8:03:09pm

re: #489 Code Red 21

Washington?

Good one.

494 MrTunes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 8:14:27pm

Charles, that's the best headline for one of your posts evah.

495 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 8:14:53pm
496 sulupo  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 12:40:48am

Good grief, Charles Johnson. Frank Gaffney's analysis is excellent and if you read the whole thing, very nuanced, with touches of humour. What's got into you lately?

497 neoconundrum  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:25:23am

I've given Frank Gaffney a lot of links over the years, too, and agreed with things he's written. This column goes too far.

Charles,

cc: sulupo

Thanks for the comment. Yes, it wasn't one of Frank Gaffney's best articles, but my God, with the world and the US FALLING APART before our very eyes, this "issue" just pales in comparison.

Here are a few issues I find a tad more important:

- Obama is using the mortgage and auto-maker crises to push his socialist agenda.

- Obama is determined to let Iraq fall apart.

- Obama is pushing an "Enless War" against Pakistan and Afghanistan (strangely, major news networks aren't showing anymore the names of fallen soldiers and the peaceniks aren't demonstrating against Obama's war).

- Obama wants to negotiate with terror-supporting anti-semites around the world.

- Obama is throwing away trillions of dollars of our money like a drunken sailor

- Obama and Hillary preparing to throw Israel under the bus.

- Obama doing nothing against Iran and North Korea

- That lying witch Pelosi wants the US to go easy on captured terrorists who may have information on future terror activities.

Charles,

We counted on you in the past to confront all the "useful idiots" and pick the "Fiskie Award" winners using your flawless writing skills and your most excellent sense of humor.

What's going on?

BTW - Another one of my heroes, Michael Ramirez uses cartoons where words do not suffice:

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

498 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:54:09am

re: #496 sulupo

re: #497 neoconundrum

What is it "What's got into you lately?" if one points out to something faulty and ridiculous. This article was a cheap shot after Obama's speech in Cairo, Muslims themselves do not consider him a Muslim and devoted Muslims consider him an apostate, why a hell of an irony that there are some Americans calling him a Muslim.
There are many issues about them worth pointing out and worth to be worried about more than this ridiculous sekrit mozlem and nirth cerifikit thing.

499 Abu Lahab  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:55:11am

re: #496 sulupo

Frank Gaffney's analysis is excellent


Good grief, indeed!

500 kansas  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 7:31:29am

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

501 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 10:16:28am

I think we are focusing on the wrong Sekret Mozlem. GWB bent over backwards his entire presidency to avoid upsetting the Muslim world.

"We aren't at war with Islam, blah blah blah"

He's the real closet secret Muslim!
/

502 sulupo  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:18:17am

Neoconundrum,

I appreciated your cc.

There are certainly other issues we Americans should be concerned with. However, for Israel, Obama's speech was not exactly nothing.

I think that Gaffney's article was very much influenced by the work of Daniel Pipes, who has written on Obama's muslim childhood and its implications (see D.P.'s website)

Abu Lahab:

The point you make about Muslims not considering Obama a Muslim is debatable. After all, once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Obama's conversion is a non-starter for them. Apostasy is the unthinkable and is always punishable by death.

RWDflynavy:

Hey (all seriousness aside), good point!

503 GGMac  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #354 quickjustice

To Charles's second point about Obama referring to Jesus more than Bush did-- I think Obama a chameleon, with a gift for changing his message for different audiences.

I don't think he's a devout Christian. I think he moves comfortably between Jesus, Mohammed, and Moses, depending on the audience. No devout Christian is so familiar with Koran. Like many other politicians, he's a political opportunist.

No devout Christian - or even a marginally devout Christian - invokes Jesus in the context of Islam, as the O so blithely does. And no Christian gives any credence to the Muslim's "Isra" tale. And no Christian refers to Islam as having been "revealed", as, again, Obama has publically done.

Nuance matters.


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