Banks Repay $68B
A small piece of good economic news:
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is complimenting banks that are reimbursing taxpayers to the tune of $68 billion in federal bailout assistance.
A small piece of good economic news:
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is complimenting banks that are reimbursing taxpayers to the tune of $68 billion in federal bailout assistance.
1 | Ward Cleaver Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:51:47am |
"We don't want your money, Barry!"
- signed,
the banks
2 | LGoPs Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:52:00am |
Do they get a late fee assessed if they paid it back after the billing period?
/
3 | snowcrash Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:52:07am |
That was quick. Makes me question how badly did they need the bailout money.
6 | IslandLibertarian Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:52:50am |
While going over the paperwork to refinance my condo, I asked my banker if they were involved with any of the "stimulus" money.
He laughed and said, "No, we're a conservative bank."
7 | Ward Cleaver Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:52:50am |
re: #2 LGoPs
Do they get a late fee assessed if they paid it back after the billing period?
/
Then, the harassing phone calls.
8 | FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:52:56am |
I guess the banks figured out the attached strings were a bit much.
Still, this is good economic news.
10 | infdl Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:53:45am |
Could it be that taking that cash has turned out to be so laden with bad juju beans - loss of countrol, crap regulations, etc.?
11 | Ward Cleaver Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:53:55am |
re: #9 Rednek
So, who gets the free toaster-oven?
We all get a share. Sign up soon for an opening, to toast your bagel.
12 | Desert Dog Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:53:57am |
They gave it back, with all the strings still attached
13 | KenJen Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:54:09am |
"Call attention to the slow pace of government spending"...as if that's bad. That used to be a good thing.
14 | Ward Cleaver Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:54:15am |
re: #10 infdl
Could it be that taking that cash has turned out to be so laden with bad juju beans - loss of countrol, crap regulations, etc.?
Dirty money.
15 | Kragar Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:54:18am |
re: #3 snowcrash
That was quick. Makes me question how badly did they need the bailout money.
Many didn't. They were told to take the money as a sign of good will towards the stimulus package, then after they took it, the government started to pile on all sorts of conditions. When the banks first tried to return it, the government said no, they had to keep it and work under the new rules.
16 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:54:30am |
I'll bet that was one happy, happy, happy mortgage burning party!
Probably a cake with Fausting.
17 | Ward Cleaver Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:54:47am |
re: #13 KenJen
"Call attention to the slow pace of government spending"...as if that's bad. That used to be a good thing.
Not in Obamaworld.
18 | Flyers1974 Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:55:20am |
re: #3 snowcrash
That was quick. Makes me question how badly did they need the bailout money.
I gotta believe pretty badly, otherwise Obama/Congress wouldn't have done this - bailing out the banks was not popular with anyone left or right(as opposed to GM where there certainly was an immediate political benefit for Obama.)
19 | subsailor68 Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:55:43am |
President Barack Obama is complimenting banks that are reimbursing taxpayers to the tune of $68 billion in federal bailout assistance.
Uh, Mr. President, where's my check? What do you mean you've decided to keep it? That sucks.
20 | Ward Cleaver Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:55:43am |
re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Many didn't. They were told to take the money as a sign of good will towards the stimulus package, then after they took it, the government started to pile on all sorts of conditions. When the banks first tried to return it, the government said no, they had to keep it and work under the new rules.
They could run commercials, with bankers waving wads of cash, saying, "I got mine!"
21 | Ward Cleaver Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:56:22am |
re: #19 subsailor68
President Barack Obama is complimenting banks that are reimbursing taxpayers to the tune of $68 billion in federal bailout assistance.
Uh, Mr. President, where's my check? What do you mean you've decided to keep it? That sucks.
He's donated it to ACORN, in your name.
22 | subsailor68 Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:56:50am |
re: #21 Ward Cleaver
He's donated it to ACORN, in your name.
So that's where that cool bumper sticker came from!
;-)
23 | Flyers1974 Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:57:05am |
re: #20 Ward Cleaver
I bet we will see this commercial in future Republican campaign ads.
24 | brookly red Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:57:34am |
Oh great! now we can put that money in trust for social security, right?
25 | FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:57:51am |
re: #13 KenJen
"Call attention to the slow pace of government spending"...as if that's bad. That used to be a good thing.
Don't cherry-pick next time.
Appearing at a White House event to call attention to slow the pace of government spending, Obama stressed that the deal to repay this sum "is not a sign that our troubles are over — far from it."
Looks like even Obama is getting a clue about how bad government spending has gotten.
26 | JustABill Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:57:53am |
re: #21 Ward Cleaver
He's donated it to ACORN, in your name.
I wonder if ACORN donation will get me a tax deduction?
27 | MrSilverDragon Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:58:14am |
So, if we're talking $68B, divided by 300M... we'll say around $227 a person...
So, if I approximate the deficit to be, say, $1.5T, and divide that by 300M, that's $5000 a person.
Great! I only have to pay $4773 for my share... for now.
Why do I not feel better about this?
28 | KenJen Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:58:14am |
Well, it's nice that their allowing the banks to pay "us" back.
29 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:58:27am |
re: #24 brookly red
Oh. Sorry. We're giving to to California.
30 | lawhawk Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:58:40am |
re: #19 subsailor68
President Barack Obama is complimenting banks that are reimbursing taxpayers to the tune of $68 billion in federal bailout assistance.
Uh, Mr. President, where's my check? What do you mean you've decided to keep it? That sucks.
The TARP money is like a revolving line of credit. Or at least that is how the Administration is treating it in this case.
They didn't want the banks to repay, because of the claim that they might need it down the road (a spurious claim in any event and one that shouldn't prevent the repayment to exit the program).
These banks wanted out, and now have that opportunity. They'll take it as will other smaller banks.
Remember, these were among the banks forced to enter the program to remove the stigma of getting TARP funding in the first place.
31 | Desert Dog Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:58:46am |
These bankers did not want to catch Citi-Fever.....I hear it's lethal.
32 | kansas Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:59:11am |
I'll bet that created or saved 150,000 jobs......or not.
33 | JammieWearingFool Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:59:31am |
$68 billion, payable directly to our ACORN overlords.
35 | NonNativeTexan Tue, Jun 9, 2009 11:59:56am |
Ironic how so many executives voted for Obama's redistribution of
wealth agenda, only to discover, the wealth that would be redistributed
was their own.
36 | FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:00:37pm |
re: #30 lawhawk
The TARP money is like a revolving line of credit. Or at least that is how the Administration is treating it in this case.
They didn't want the banks to repay, because of the claim that they might need it down the road (a spurious claim in any event and one that shouldn't prevent the repayment to exit the program).
These banks wanted out, and now have that opportunity. They'll take it as will other smaller banks.
Remember, these were among the banks forced to enter the program to remove the stigma of getting TARP funding in the first place.
This is money laundering done by the Federal Government. This whole bailout fiasco stinks like month old fish.
37 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:01:40pm |
Boy, if they're repaying cheap bailout money early, then they must be getting ready to REALLY stick it to the consumer.
38 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:01:51pm |
re: #34 Rednek
Only sad in the terms of what was once great.
We've been watching watching the demise since the early 70s. They just had a large pile of money to burn through...took a while.
39 | kansas Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:02:13pm |
40 | snowcrash Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:02:17pm |
"The government will continue to hold warrants in the 10 banks, allowing it to purchase shares of their common stock. Administration officials say they have no intention to exercise the warrants, which would give the government ownership stakes in the banks. But negotiations over how much the banks should pay the government to tear up the warrants -- which analysts estimate are worth about $5 billion -- have yet to find common ground."
From the Washington Post. How much influence will holding warrants give the gov't in the operations of the banks?
42 | AG in Houston Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:02:42pm |
re: #3 snowcrash
I assure you they needed it.
Unfortunately, they will need it back in about 12 months.
I hope I am wrong.
43 | FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:03:28pm |
re: #40 snowcrash
"The government will continue to hold warrants in the 10 banks, allowing it to purchase shares of their common stock. Administration officials say they have no intention to exercise the warrants, which would give the government ownership stakes in the banks. But negotiations over how much the banks should pay the government to tear up the warrants -- which analysts estimate are worth about $5 billion -- have yet to find common ground."
From the Washington Post. How much influence will holding warrants give the gov't in the operations of the banks?
Holding a gun to someone's head doesn't influence them, does it?
44 | Randall Gross Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:03:48pm |
More of this will come back too. Where the bailout money will really get eaten up is in local and state gov'ts and the two car companies.
45 | Cato the Elder Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:04:01pm |
Any good news happens despite Obama.
Any bad news is because of him.
It's elementary.
To some.
46 | Jack Burton Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:04:40pm |
re: #34 Rednek
So sad.
Since it's in BK, the symbol changes and I guess it was booted off of the NYSE.
48 | quickjustice Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:05:06pm |
Unfortunately, this is window-dressing. The money's being repaid to evade the compensation caps that the federal government promised on those in the banking industry who took TARP money.
Another place to look is the billions of taxpayer dollars infused into AIG. AIG insured the subprime mortgages, and after its takeover paid out the federal rescue money to insured banks. These banks, in addition to foreign banks in Europe and China, received billions in AIG rescue money, and never will repay it.
There are many other ways federal regulators have manipulated the banking system to make banking profitable. One is lowering the cost of money from the Federal Reserve to banks to records lows.
This is a gigantic shell game. You're only focusing on one of the shells.
49 | Buck Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:05:07pm |
I wonder if the Chinese will take an early payment...
Cause we owe it to THEM!
It is not our money... it was borrowed form the chinese. Now I just hope the government applies it to that debt.
50 | JustABill Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:05:08pm |
51 | Rednek Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:05:20pm |
52 | KenJen Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:05:48pm |
re: #25 FurryOldGuyJeans
Looks like even Obama is getting a clue about how bad government spending has gotten.
I read it as he wants to speed up govt. spending. Guess I don't know how to read this guy.
53 | Rednek Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:06:38pm |
54 | KingKenrod Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:07:08pm |
The banks did not need the money but took it because the government insisted that all large banks get lumped into the same risk pool. This is so the healthy banks would not steal business from weaker banks (like Citigroup) making the recovery of weaker banks impossible.
Obama was not going to let the banks give the money back, but Congress has promised legislation to continue strict Treasury oversight of financial institutions (including executive pay levels) whether they give the money back or not. Since Obama got what he wanted, he wants the money back.
56 | kansas Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:09:21pm |
re: #45 Cato the Elder
Any good news happens despite Obama.
Any bad news is because of him.
It's elementary.
To some.
Yeah, all that good news is just overwhelming. /
57 | Jack Burton Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:14:03pm |
re: #55 Buck
Ya, and up 22% today so far.
It's tripled since it started trading again. I should have bought some.
58 | sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:14:56pm |
TARP worked. It cushioned the fall and let the banks stabilze. Now the task is for them NOT to do what got them there in the first place. Responsible lending practices that have worked for decades and across politicical philosophies must be the norm
Oh and by the way, thank you President Bush and your team for coming up with this. Wiithout it, it would have been much much worse
59 | Killian Bundy Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:15:31pm |
60 | Jack Burton Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:18:05pm |
re: #58 sattv4u2
Now the task is for them NOT to do what got them there in the first place. Responsible lending practices that have worked for decades and across politicical philosophies must be the norm
Responsible lending? That's RACIST!
/Acorn lawyers
61 | gnargtharst Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:21:42pm |
What a double-speak fest:
"...people are beginning to see "an initial return on a few of these investments."
Um, *investments* are *voluntary*. "Expropriation" is what he meant. And whether the payments constitutes a *return" depends on whether the banks used the money productively, or whether the money is some of the money stronger banks are deparately trying to return to cut the government strings attached to the "loans" they were forced to accept.
I wonder which it is? Hmmm, here's a clue: "The Treasury Department did not identify the banks involved in the repayment."
Ah.
"...But it did say they had been approved to send back money..."
Get that? Government beaurucrats have "approved" repaying these "loans".
Socialism doesn't work, spins to the contrary notwithstanding.
63 | P. Aaron Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:26:12pm |
A small peice of economic good news(?!)
More like: gettin' while the gettin's good.
Many of the banks were FORCED to take Stimulus money they never wanted.
Good News? Really.
64 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:29:52pm |
re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dang. I thought that was really clever. Thanks Harry. Thanks Ward.
65 | quickjustice Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:32:13pm |
re: #58 sattv4u2
You're wrong. This isn't over yet. The subprime mortgages haven't been cleaned out of the system yet. Until that happens, no one can say whether TARP "worked". And until that happens, a real recovery can't start.
Obama's failure to deal with the subprimes decisively is the best evidence he doesn't want an economic recovery.
66 | _RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:35:52pm |
I guess the word "kumbaya," when translated into pakistani means "fuckyou."
/ please don't tell me there's no such language as pakistani
67 | _RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:36:42pm |
re: #66 _RememberTonyC
I guess the word "kumbaya," when translated into pakistani means "fuckyou."
/ please don't tell me there's no such language as pakistani
oops ... this was intended for the other thread ... sorry
68 | Rexatosis Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:37:17pm |
This is a small portion of the TARP, these banks were healthy to begin with, it is much ado about nothing with regard to the improvement or lack thereof in the financial sector. It is posturing for the news cycle.
69 | weimdog02 Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:57:15pm |
Once the TARP funds are paid back, bonuses will be paid and then the fraudsters will short the same market they just ran up.
U6 30% "funemployment" here we come.
70 | baier Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:30:11pm |
Some companies, like American Express, became a holding company just so they could take the money. So it's not accurate to say the money was forced on every company.
TARP did not work. These are the healthiest companies repaying the money. The failures will still fail, but will limp along for a few years, making the economy less and less productive, until they finally die...all on our dollar.
71 | SixDegrees Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:58:59pm |
re: #10 infdl
Could it be that taking that cash has turned out to be so laden with bad juju beans - loss of countrol, crap regulations, etc.?
That's certainly one motivation. A potentially huge problem arises, though, if banks that actually need to be shored up are returning money they really ought to keep simply because of all that bad juju attached to it. The end result could wind up being more bank closures rather than less.
72 | Reluctant Democrat Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:24:41pm |
Tomorrow's headline: "Obama Finds Money for Health Care Rehaul."
73 | Inzax Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:35:38pm |
Many of these banks have been trying to pay back these loans for months. The federal government would not let them pay back the loans (which some did not want in the first place.)
Specifically, USBank tried to refuse the bailout money. They were forced to take it AND pay interest on the loan. When they tried to pay it back they were told it would give them an unfair market advantage by making them look healthier than other banks. The money sat in an account unused.
I work with these guys (USBank) everyday. Their frustration with this situation has bread nothing but contempt for the amateur abilities of this administrations financial representatives.
74 | Truth Stick Tue, Jun 9, 2009 3:03:40pm |
re: #73 Inzax
My USbankers were in to see me today, and they are giddy that they can finally give back the money that was forced on them. They didn't have much good to say about the gov't
75 | MPH Tue, Jun 9, 2009 3:45:25pm |
A lot of this is tax payer dollars being cycled back and forth. Remember that 170 odd billion that went to the AIG bailout --- and was funneled out the other end in the form of insurance payments direct to Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Wachovia, Bank of America, etc...?
76 | Altermite Tue, Jun 9, 2009 4:14:30pm |
re: #25 FurryOldGuyJeans
Looks like even Obama is getting a clue about how bad government spending has gotten.
I'm of the opinion that his real danger came from naievity/inexperience, more than any of the various things that were shouted up by the GOP. He's not stupid, he just didn't know anything much while entering office. He may be learning it now, which could make him halfway competent. Wonder if his popularity will last if he does.
77 | Dan G. Tue, Jun 9, 2009 6:30:47pm |
Returning unwanted TARP funds that were forced on them is "reimbursing the taxpayer"? That's some ballsy spin.
78 | Rich H Tue, Jun 9, 2009 7:04:29pm |
I heard that Geitner wants to use the returned money to "help" other banks rather than reduce the deficit.
If at first you don't fail, try, try again.