Terror Attack on Pakistan Hotel

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A five-star hotel in Peshawar, Pakistan, that caters to Westerners has been the target of an apparent jihad attack: Pakistani officials: Huge bomb at Peshawar hotel.

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) — Officials says a huge bomb has exploded at a luxury hotel in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, killing at least five people and wounding 25 others.

Police official Liaqat Ali says gunmen stormed into the Pearl Continental Hotel in the northwestern city on Tuesday night just before “a big bomb went off.”

Sahibzada Anis, a top government official in Peshawar, says at least five people were killed and 25 wounded.

Raw video via the AP YouTube channel:

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457 comments
1 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:03:08pm

Inherited.

2 kansas  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:03:47pm

Militant Christians?

3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:04:28pm

Damn Baptists!

4 brookly red  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:04:35pm

I seems that this sort of thing is turning people against the Taliban.

5 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:04:39pm

Despite the carnage there, and the ongoing Taliban war against Pakistan, some Pakistanis are starting to rise up against the Taliban on their own. It’s their own version of the Anbar Awakening, and I say it’s cautiously good news.

6 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:05:24pm

Obviously they didn’t see Obama’s Cairo speech.

7 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:06:05pm

Creepy sidebar ad: Ann Coulter’s adam’s apple is scary-looking.

8 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:06:27pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Despite the carnage there, and the ongoing Taliban war against Pakistan, some Pakistanis are starting to rise up against the Taliban on their own. It’s their own version of the Anbar Awakening, and I say it’s cautiously good news.

As long as the troops stay put to back their action you will see this, if the troops back out then you will see the usual cycle of Taliban return and retribution.

9 ROPMA  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:06:31pm

ROPMA

10 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:06:47pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Despite the carnage there, and the ongoing Taliban war against Pakistan, some Pakistanis are starting to rise up against the Taliban on their own. It’s their own version of the Anbar Awakening, and I say it’s cautiously good news.

I’ll wait for the “it’s bad when it happens to infidels, too” awakening.

11 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:07:05pm

There was the police station in Lahore last week, too…

12 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:07:10pm

re: #7 Alouette

Creepy sidebar ad: Ann Coulter’s adam’s apple is scary-looking.

Chicks don’t have Adam’s Apples.

13 LatinGent  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:07:23pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Totally agree. But caution is the word. Stuff like this however tragic will only help with the Awakening, but it is slowly coming.

14 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:08:05pm

re: #8 Thanos

You’re absolutely right. If the Pakistani government goes into its habitual crackdown-appeasement cycle, the violence will continue, and those who stood up against the Taliban this time will be the first to be slaughtered by the Taliban the moment they get the opportunity - as a test and warning to others not to attempt the same.

15 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:08:44pm

And we will now see if The One paid them off with enough money to act.

16 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:09:54pm

Death toll now 11

[Link: www.thenews.com.pk…]

17 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:09:58pm

Forgive me for bringing this up, but the Taliban didn’t seem that emboldened when Musharraf was in charge.

18 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:10:25pm

This is a flashback to the Clinton Administration. They’re at war with us, but we’re not at war with them. Obama will make no mention of this.

19 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:10:49pm
A large number of security personnel arrived on the spot and cordoned off the area. Khyber Road has been blocked for traffic.

According to Geo News correspondent, miscreants drove two vehicles towards the hotel; however, they found barricades there, they turned to firing and moved to the mosque where the blast occurred.

According to sources, the extremists attacked the check post of the security guards.

20 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:10:58pm

re: #16 Thanos

The sounds of gunshots are still being heard in the area


Hmmm, maybe it’s an attack like Mumbai.

21 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:11:39pm

Underprivileged young offenders.

22 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:11:41pm

Two truckloads, appears to be coordinated attack.

23 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:12:29pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, maybe it’s an attack like Mumbai.

Would not be surprising. Were not the Mumbai attackers from Pakistan?

24 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:12:53pm

re: #22 Thanos

Likely groups behind the attack: LeT and Baitullah Mehsud’s Taliban group.

25 Cheesehead  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:12:56pm

Pakistan appears to be on the verge of anarchy; a very scary prospect for the world. Hope we have plans to get those nukes if necessary, fast.

26 quickjustice  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:13:17pm

The Pakistani government is losing the war. If Pakistan falls, the extremists get a nuclear arsenal, and Afghanistan is untenable to defend.

27 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:13:42pm

They’re just mad because they found out that crunch berries aren’t a real fruit.

28 pat  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:13:51pm

Gunmen before the bombs?

29 Abu Lahab  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:13:52pm
Several thousand villagers from the district of Dir have been fighting Taliban militants since Friday, when a Taliban suicide bomber detonated his payload in a mosque at prayer time, killing at least 40 villagers.
Enraged by the bombing, men from surrounding villages gathered and began looking for Taliban militants and their supporters


Now this:

One man in the village of Dog Payeen, who asked not to be identified, said the military had hit a government school and several other buildings, instead of the mountain hideout where locals say the Taliban is holed up.
“We are surprised at what is happening because the main Taliban people are at the top of the mountain,” the man said. He said that villagers had begun to evacuate the area.

I really think the solution is in the population, but first Taliban have to be crushed totally and I have great doubts the Pakistani army has an interest in this. They need the Taliban threat to keep milking the West.

(Source for quotations)

30 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:13:56pm

This is all because Shmulik built an extension for his grandkids.

31 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:14:37pm

Something weird here, rift forming between TTP and TNSM?

[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk…]

Taliban take 100 TNSM men hostage

LAHORE: The Taliban have taken 100 members of the TNSM hostage including the local chief from Mamoond area of Bajaur, a private TV channel reported on Monday. The channel said that differences between the Taliban and the TNSM had intensified, while on the other hand a group of Taliban had refused to fight the military. daily times monitor

32 Rednek  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:15:22pm

This list of suspects is very small: Bush or Israel.

33 Buck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:16:53pm

re: #27 Mad Al-Jaffee

They’re just mad because they found out that crunch berries aren’t a real fruit.

I am not even going to ask….

34 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:16:55pm

re: #12 Ben Hur

Chicks don’t have Adam’s Apples.

That’s why it’s scary.

35 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:16:57pm

re: #28 pat

Gunmen before the bombs?

Yup

36 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:17:03pm

The Peshawar attack comes on the heels of Pakistani forces capturing a major terror figure in Peshawar.

Pakistani police reportedly have captured a senior Afghan Taliban leader behind attacks in eastern Afghanistan.

Anwarul Haq Mujahid, the commander of the Tora Bora Military Front, was detained during a raid in Peshawar, according to reports in The News and Pajhwok Afghan News. Mujahid was reportedly detained with his two cousins, Shumsul Islam and Dr. Qalandar, while he was in Peshawar for medical treatment. The Pakistani police, military, and government have not made an official announcement of Mujahid’s arrest.

Mujahid is the son of Maulvi Mohammed Yunis Khalis, a senior mujahedeen leader based in the eastern province of Nangarhar who was famous for battling the Soviet Union during the occupation from 1979-1989. Jalaluddin Haqqani, the leader of the deadly Haqqani Network, served as a commander under Khan.

Yunis Khalis was also instrumental in welcoming Osama bin Laden into Afghanistan after he was ejected from the Sudan in 1996. Haji Abdul Qadir, one of Khalis’ top three military commanders, was closely involved in facilitating bin Laden’s return to Afghanistan. Several years later, Khalis helped bin Laden again, laying the groundwork for his escape from Afghanistan through the Tora Bora Mountains in the battle of December 2001.

Read more: [Link: www.longwarjournal.org…]

37 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #32 Rednek

This list of suspects is very small: Bush or Israel.

Cheney!

38 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:17:35pm

re: #37 Alouette

Cheney!

Global Warming!

39 SummerSong  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:18:45pm

re: #12 Ben Hur

Chicks don’t have Adam’s Apples.

Yes, they do. Just smaller.

40 callahan23  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:19:14pm

Good fortune there is no Chabad house in Peshawar.

41 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:19:27pm

“The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep for which the sheep thanks
the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.” -
Abraham Lincoln

42 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:19:29pm

re: #34 Alouette

That’s why it’s scary.

Democratic Underground devoted a thread to it.

43 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:20:15pm

re: #42 redstateredneck

Democratic Underground devoted a thread to it.

Wow, that’s worse than HotAir!

44 SFGoth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:20:31pm

Why are there Westerners in Pakistan?

45 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:20:42pm

re: #36 lawhawk

The last two upper echelon Taliban they captured got killed in an ambush last week. Interesting.

Meanwhile back to this bombing:

“It was a bomb brought in a vehicle in the garb of hotel supplies.” It is the seventh deadly bombing to hit the troubled city in a month, as fears grow that Taliban militants are extracting revenge for a punishing six-week military offensive against them in three northwest districts.


Conflicting reports, as is usual for Pakistan. Initial scent is … Baitullah or Haqqani, and I’m betting there was someone in particular at the hotel they wanted to get.

46 opnion  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:21:02pm

re: #28 pat

Gunmen before the bombs?

That’s what I thought, they ran in before the blast?

47 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:22:14pm

re: #45 Thanos


It is the seventh deadly bombing to hit the troubled city in a month,

And not one picture on page one of the NYTIMES?

Anyone know if any of the other 6 made the front pages?

You think maybe the MSM is focused on the wrong issues?

48 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:22:25pm

re: #44 SFGoth

Why are there Westerners in Pakistan?

Business I’d guess. And westerners who used to be Pakistani citizens.

49 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:22:43pm

Maybe it was anti-abortionist Christians?

50 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:23:11pm

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Global Warming!


ManBearPig!

51 Caboose  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:23:32pm

Unclench, dammit! Don’t you know that 0bammy is now the President, not Booooossssshhh and you are supposed to love us now!?! Love us, dammit, LOVE US! Waaaaaaaaa!

(my sympathies to the innocents killed. I hope the jihad-MF’s are amongst the KIA and may their demise have been, ummm, (tasteful, Clutch, be tasteful ‘cuz Stinky has a big stick…) less than blissful and their 72 virgins be Helen Thomas clones, triple-dipped in the ‘ugly’ vat with a thick coating of ‘extra-bitchy’ and ‘emasculating’…)

(I sure wish I could use multiple exclamation points and question marks on posts like this, but i understand why…)

52 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:23:48pm

Meanwhile if you are reading about the carnage in Karachi, that’s not Taliban, it’s ethno-political assassinations, 30 dead in 7 Days. PPP or Schism of MQM vs. MQM-H.

53 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:24:54pm

re: #52 Thanos

Meanwhile if you are reading about the carnage in Karachi, that’s not Taliban, it’s ethno-political assassinations, 30 dead in 7 Days. PPP or Schism of MQM vs. MQM-H.

Yeah, it’s the old PPP vs. MQM rivalry

54 Ackomanyuki  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:25:10pm

I guess this proves he isn’t a Muslim, either that or the Lutherans didn’t get the unclenching fist memo.

55 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:25:47pm

re: #52 Thanos

Meanwhile if you are reading about the carnage in Karachi, that’s not Taliban, it’s ethno-political assassinations, 30 dead in 7 Days. PPP or Schism of MQM vs. MQM-H.

Good thing they don’t have nukes……..

That’s amazing.

It’s more amazing is how little coverage there is. Over here, at least.

56 Abu Lahab  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:25:53pm

re: #44 SFGoth
I don’t find that strange at all.
There are businessmen, journalists, aid workers, individual travelers, diplomats, …
Just like everywhere but on a much smaller scale (except journalists)

57 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:26:08pm

Well, shit.

58 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:27:43pm

Hrmm, Baitullah picking at the Parachinar scab again:

Taliban murder tribal elder F.P. Report
PARACHINAR: Tension erupted in Lower Kurram Agency, FATA, after Taliban killed the tribal elder on Monday morning. An eyewitness told media that a tribal elder Haji Ismael Hussain Turi who belonged to Ali Zai Village of Lower Kurram was watering his fields when a man from Baghzi village opened fire on him and fled away. Haji Ismael Hussain Turi died on the spot. After this sad news once again tension erupted in the troubled Kurram Agency. Meanwhile, the council of elders of Turi Bangash Supreme Council has given 72 hours ultimatum to authorities concerned and law enforcing agencies to launch an operation clean up against the Taliban loyal to Baitullah Mehsud in parts of Lower and Cental Kurram.

59 beholden  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:29:06pm

WTF? Didn’t they hear Obama’s speech?

/may they rot in hell

60 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:29:10pm

re: #55 Ben Hur

Good thing they don’t have nukes……..

That’s amazing.

It’s more amazing is how little coverage there is. Over here, at least.

There’s plenty of coverage here’s a good link to hit several local papers from:

[Link: www.chitralnews.com…]

Warning: Do not click on the link for “The Post” there, it’s an attack site.

61 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:29:24pm

re: #42 redstateredneck

Democratic Underground devoted a thread to it.

I’m not going there. DU is a cheap, trailer-trash version of Kos.

62 Randall Gross  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:29:57pm

gotta run, back later

63 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:30:27pm

re: #44 SFGoth

Why are there Westerners in Pakistan?

Lots of visiting business types that mostly stay in the expensive hotels due to the appearance of ‘security’.

64 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:31:06pm

re: #61 Alouette

I’m not going there. DU is a cheap, trailer-trash version of Kos.

Don’t go there. It’s worse than HotAir, or Kos, or HuffPo.

DU is actually the Free Republic of the left. The message boards are a feverswamp.

65 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:31:19pm

OT - sorry, but I need to vent this “Problem Reports and Solutions” thing that just popped up on my other desktop:

Problem caused by Windows

This problem was caused by Windows, which was created by Microsoft Corporation.

There is no solution for this problem at this time.

66 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:31:35pm

re: #63 experiencedtraveller

Lots of visiting business types that mostly stay in the expensive hotels due to the appearance of ‘security’.

Jokes on them ha?

67 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:32:14pm

re: #64 iceweasel

Don’t go there. It’s worse than HotAir, or Kos, or HuffPo.

DU is actually the Free Republic of the left. The message boards are a feverswamp.

Conservative Cave has a forum devoted to stupid, ignorant DU posts. You can read some of the best/worst of DU there without actualyl having to swim in the cesspool.

68 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:33:10pm

Later Lizards. I look forward to my second year amongst such excellent people.

69 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:33:12pm

re: #61 Alouette

I’m not going there. DU is a cheap, trailer-trash version of Kos.

The comments are about what you’d expect.

70 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:33:56pm

re: #65 Catttt

OT - sorry, but I need to vent this “Problem Reports and Solutions” thing that just popped up on my other desktop:

Problem caused by Windows

My solution… use Linux. :)

71 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:34:14pm

re: #70 MrSilverDragon

My solution… use Linux. :)

I use Apple

72 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:35:53pm

OT

God. Windows Update is now downloading 76 updates. (I’m rebuilding my desktop from the original CD.)

/vent - just a little more vent

73 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:36:08pm
74 JustABill  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:36:51pm

re: #71 Nevergiveup

I use Apple

How can you use a real fruit as an operating system? Sounds like a lawsuit to me…

75 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:36:52pm

re: #40 callahan23

Good fortune there is no Chabad house in Peshawar.

Or anywhere else in Pakistan

76 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:36:57pm

re: #71 Nevergiveup

I use Apple

My better half just got a Mac laptop and absolutely loves it, so I’ll give that a plus as a second option. I’m a diehard Linux geek, and have been for years, so that’s my choice.

77 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:37:14pm

re: #68 Ford_Prefect

Later Lizards. I look forward to my second year amongst such excellent people.


My Birthday here is on the 12th…Happy Birthday Ford!

78 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:37:41pm

I guess the word “kumbaya,” when translated into pakistani means “fuckyou.”

/ please don’t tell me there’s no such language as pakistani

79 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:38:34pm

re: #25 Cheesehead

Pakistan appears to be on the verge of anarchy; a very scary prospect for the world. Hope we have plans to get those nukes if necessary, fast.

The plans probably consist of a raft of “tough” UN resolutions.

80 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:39:10pm

re: #72 Catttt

OT

God. Windows Update is now downloading 76 updates. (I’m rebuilding my desktop from the original CD.)

/vent - just a little more vent

Here ya’ go, Catttt.

81 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:39:22pm
82 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:39:40pm

re: #66 Nevergiveup

And sadly the ‘nice hotels’ (IE: the targets) are usually in the city center so if you do get a few hours free then you can see some of the local attractions easily.

For true safety non descript airport or subarban hotel is probably better.

83 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:40:06pm

re: #76 MrSilverDragon

My better half just got a Mac laptop and absolutely loves it, so I’ll give that a plus as a second option. I’m a diehard Linux geek, and have been for years, so that’s my choice.

I love my MacBook. Both of my daughers have them, too.

84 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:40:32pm

re: #70 MrSilverDragon

My solution… use Linux. :)

No think you, Mr. Command Line. :D

85 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:40:35pm

re: #77 HoosierHoops

My Birthday here is on the 12th…Happy Birthday Ford!

What do you want for your b-day?

86 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:42:59pm

re: #83 redstateredneck

I love my MacBook. Both of my daughers have them, too.

Me, my wife, and my 2 daughters all have them. Ya’d think Apple would at least send me a Hanukkah or New Years card?

87 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:43:06pm

re: #72 Catttt

OT

God. Windows Update is now downloading 76 updates. (I’m rebuilding my desktop from the original CD.)

/vent - just a little more vent

You could always just go and punch dance away your frustrations.

Youtube Video
88 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:43:39pm

OT

Looks like I need a Windows Update to connect to Windows Update. SIGH.

89 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:44:26pm

re: #86 Nevergiveup

Me, my wife, and my 2 daughters all have them. Ya’d think Apple would at least send me a Hanukkah or New Years card?

Yeah, we have three plus the old I-Mac table top.
They don’t call….they don’t write.
:-(

90 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:44:26pm

re: #30 Ben Hur

This is all because Shmulik built an extension for his grandkids.

When you put it that way, it’s hard not to see the funny side of such an absurd proposition. The problem is that US Middle East policy may now be shaped by just such a belief.

91 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:46:36pm

For those updating Windows, be sure to turn off IE 8 unless you want it.
It tries to install itself unless you hid the update earlier.

92 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:47:21pm

re: #85 KenJen

What do you want for your b-day?


A big fat juicy ding! preferable the green colored one..LOL
How are you today Jen?

93 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:48:47pm

Daniel Hannan’s 2009 EU election results speech

Youtube Video
94 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:49:46pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

A big fat juicy ding! preferable the green colored one..LOL
How are you today Jen?

Doing fine. Gift wrapping up your big fat juicy green ding as we speak!

95 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:50:50pm

re: #94 KenJen

Doing fine. Gift wrapping up your big fat juicy green ding as we speak!

Beautiful day out isn’t it? I should have gone golfing..

96 callahan23  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:51:08pm

re: #78 _RememberTonyC

I guess the word “kumbaya,” when translated into pakistani means “fuckyou.”

/ please don’t tell me there’s no such language as pakistani Urdu

It is rather; Official languages: English and Urdu

97 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:51:59pm

re: #89 redstateredneck

Yeah, we have three plus the old I-Mac table top.
They don’t call….they don’t write.
:-(

I’ve still got a decade’s old Sparc Tadpole at home, it still boots and works… it runs at a whopping 110MHz!

98 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:52:07pm

re: #94 KenJen

Doing fine. Gift wrapping up your big fat juicy green ding as we speak!

Thats just nasty.

99 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:52:17pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

A big fat juicy ding! preferable the green colored one..LOL
How are you today Jen?

Ask and it shall be yours.

100 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:52:31pm

re: #95 HoosierHoops

Beautiful day out isn’t it? I should have gone golfing..

My boss left 20 minutes ago to do just that. The weather is great. Storms later maybe.

101 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:53:37pm
102 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:54:15pm

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats just nasty.

Get your mind outta the gutter./

103 ssn697  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:54:21pm

Call me crazy, but can you REALLY have a *5-star hotel* in the middle of a war zone?

104 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:55:22pm

honestly, i’m losing my inner (jihadi) struggle to believe that islam is the religion of peace. i don’t care what o said in cairo.

how many attacks by ropers since 9-11?
literally thousands and they are still plotting.

105 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #67 Mad Al-Jaffee

Conservative Cave has a forum devoted to stupid, ignorant DU posts. You can read some of the best/worst of DU there without actualyl having to swim in the cesspool.

I never knew that. What’s Conservative Cave? I might have to stick my toe into their DU forum occasionally to see the crazy, the same way I occasionally peek at FR….

Someone on the right could easily run a profitable blog digging through DU and doing nothing but exposing and mocking some of the crazy there. Crazy comment of the day to snark about—that sort of thing.

106 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:56:10pm

re: #103 ssn697

Call me crazy, but can you REALLY have a *5-star hotel* in the middle of a war zone?


Did you serve on the Indy in the Navy?

107 Salamantis  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:58:16pm

Let us all hope that murderous terrorism doesn’t work as well in Pakistan as it works in the US. Dr. Tiller’s family today announced that his Wichita abortion clinic would close:

[Link: www.google.com…]

Now the radical antiabortionists in the area, including Operation Rescue which moved its national headquarters to Kansas from California seven year ago for the express purpose of persecuting Dr. Tiller, are at a loss as to exactly who to target next:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Well, they have two choices left - the only clinics left in the US that perform late-term abortions, and if they can murder their doctors, women cartying lethal pregnancies will; have nowhere left to go, and nothing left to do but to die:

[Link: www.latimes.com…]

Here is the statement from the Tiller family:

“The Tiller Family is ceasing operation of the clinic and any involvement by family members in any other similar clinic. We are proud of the service and courage shown by our husband and father…that is a legacy that will never die.”

[Link: www.ksn.com…]

Obviously, they value their lives as much as some antiabortionists value abortion doctors’ deaths.

108 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:58:40pm

OK - going to try the Windows Updates again, since it didn’t work the first time. It’s gone from 76 to 78 updates in the last five minutes.

109 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:59:16pm

re: #105 iceweasel

See [Link: www.conservativecave.com…]

110 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:59:23pm

re: #103 ssn697

Call me crazy, but can you REALLY have a *5-star hotel* in the middle of a war zone?

Maybe they have 5 stars on their front door. There is not an official agency that hands out these ratings. Maybe AAA Peshawar thought it was a great place to stay.

111 ssn697  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 12:59:34pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Did you serve on the Indy in the Navy?

Yep.

112 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:00:07pm

I totally need pizza.

113 ssn697  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:00:20pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Did you serve on the Indy in the Navy?

Served on the Indy, AND lived in Indianapolis for a year. I got a double!

114 JustABill  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:00:54pm

I think I’d avoid any area that has a name ending in war.

115 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:01:22pm
116 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:01:35pm

re: #113 ssn697

Served on the Indy, AND lived in Indianapolis for a year. I got a double!

LOL
Never got the privledge of working on the Indy out at Mare Island..
Thanks for your service!

117 wiffersnapper  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:01:39pm

Religion of Pieces

118 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:02:57pm

re: #103 ssn697

Call me crazy, but can you REALLY have a *5-star hotel* in the middle of a war zone?

Five stars, five moons, five goats.

119 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:03:07pm

“Special Master of Compensation” - White House Pay Tzar’s official title.

Queue the Twilight Zone theme. Or is it just me?

120 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:03:13pm

the new “Pay Czar” Kenneth Feinberg is from my hometown …

121 sbvft contributor  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:03:23pm

“Terror Attack Man Cused Disaster on Pakistan Hotel”

Get with the hope-n-change Charles.

122 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:03:32pm

I knew Tzar looked wrong.

123 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:04:08pm

re: #113 ssn697

Served on the Indy, AND lived in Indianapolis for a year. I got a double!

I know where she was built, but what was her home port?

124 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:04:11pm

re: #120 _RememberTonyC

the new “Pay Czar” Kenneth Feinberg is from my hometown …

Maybe you won’t have to call him Master. /

125 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:04:21pm

How is everyone this afternoon?

126 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:04:37pm

re: #107 Salamantis

women cartying lethal pregnancies will; have nowhere left to go, and nothing left to do but to die

Isn’t it true that if a pregnant woman’s life is endangered by continuation of the pregnancy (in case of eclampsia, heart disease, cancer, massive trauma, etc.) she can have an emergency delivery in any place there is quality medical service, and not have to go out to some clinic in the middle of nowhere?

I do not know of any state laws that require a woman to DIE if she is in a life threatening situation. Please do not resort to the same shrill propaganda as the anti-abortionists.

127 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:04:50pm

OT

Please don’t blue screen again. Please don’t blue screen again. /fingers crossed.

128 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:04:50pm
129 legalpad  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:04:55pm

A “luxury” hotel in Pakistan? That’s like a “cruise” in the Gulf of Aden. What were they thinking?

130 ssn697  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:05:12pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

I know where she was built, but what was her home port?

Pearl Harbor. All gone now. Makes me feel old (er).

131 ointmentfly  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:05:17pm

Hopefully there is a silver lining in this attack is that people are getting a little sick of the Taliban. Hopefully we will start seeing a few strung from light posts over there in the near future. I think that is the only way this thing ends.

132 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:06:17pm

re: #128 taxfreekiller

It sounds like a joke, but just wait until President Obama insists on being called “My Liege.” /:D

133 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:06:17pm

re: #124 Catttt

Maybe you won’t have to call him Master. /


I hope not … but I am puzzled that any person of Jewish faith would accept the title of ‘Czar.”

134 ssn697  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:06:41pm

re: #129 legalpad

A “luxury” hotel in Pakistan? That’s like a “cruise” in the Gulf of Aden. What were they thinking?

“Honey, I got us a really cheap cruise, followed up by a stay at a 5 star hotel. We can do some backpacking while we are there…”

135 pbird  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:06:59pm

re: #84 Catttt

No think you, Mr. Command Line. :D

Ah! Use ubuntu, the windows of linux. Very easy transition, which is good because it was an accident…..

136 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:07:01pm
137 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:07:18pm

From what I understand Karachi and other cities in Pakistan are very “normal” by our standards. So many of the people I know here in the Chicago Area still visit relatives in Pakistan. I am putting myself in a place to hope the people of Pakistan are able to stand against the whackos.

I’d like to believe that we have done something to change the hearts and minds of the people of the ME and they won’t let the whacko’s take over their lives.

138 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:07:19pm

P.J. O’Rourke is giving a talk about his new book tonight, at a bookstore that I always thought was pretty moonbattish. I’m almost thinking of going, just to see what kind of audience he’ll get there.

139 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:08:21pm

re: #138 Mad Al-Jaffee

P.J. O’Rourke is giving a talk about his new book tonight, at a bookstore that I always thought was pretty moonbattish. I’m almost thinking of going, just to see what kind of audience he’ll get there.

I’m going to see him in Chicago later this month.

140 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:08:23pm
141 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:08:50pm

re: #109 Mad Al-Jaffee

Thank you! bookmarked.

142 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:08:58pm
143 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:09:11pm

re: #138 Mad Al-Jaffee

P.J. O’Rourke is giving a talk about his new book tonight, at a bookstore that I always thought was pretty moonbattish. I’m almost thinking of going, just to see what kind of audience he’ll get there.

Oh, that sounds like fun. If moonbats happen to be in the store and wander over - - - - sounds like fun.

144 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:09:42pm
145 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:10:53pm

re: #143 Catttt

I would go, but it starts at 7:00 and I don’t feel like hanging out in DC after work.

146 Salamantis  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:11:24pm

re: #126 Alouette

Isn’t it true that if a pregnant woman’s life is endangered by continuation of the pregnancy (in case of eclampsia, heart disease, cancer, massive trauma, etc.) she can have an emergency delivery in any place there is quality medical service, and not have to go out to some clinic in the middle of nowhere?

For a very few women (1000 per year out of 1.4 million abortions), such emergency deliveries would pose drastic threats to their lives. They had to travel to one of the three clinics that provide late-term abortions because the hospitals and doctors where they were advised them to seek the procedure, but refused to perform it for reasons of personal safety.

I do not know of any state laws that require a woman to DIE if she is in a life threatening situation. Please do not resort to the same shrill propaganda as the anti-abortionists.

A law doesn’t have to be passed if doctors who perform necessary late term abortions are stignmatized, demonized, and eventually shot. The vast majority of doctors will refuse to do the procedure, out of fear and self-preservation. Plus, very few doctors have experience in performing late-term abortions; it makes eminent sense for women with life-threatening pregnancies to seek out experienced physicians. There is now one less experienced physician that they can seek.

147 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:11:29pm
148 Kragar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:11:45pm

re: #140 taxfreekiller

Special Masterbation of Community Orgasms.

Yes?

149 John Neverbend  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:11:46pm

re: #138 Mad Al-Jaffee

P.J. O’Rourke is giving a talk about his new book tonight, at a bookstore that I always thought was pretty moonbattish. I’m almost thinking of going, just to see what kind of audience he’ll get there.

Where is this bookstore?

150 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:12:12pm

re: #145 Mad Al-Jaffee

I would go, but it starts at 7:00 and I don’t feel like hanging out in DC after work.

Oh - DC. I often want to go there for stuff, but I don’t want to go there.

151 pbird  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:12:23pm

re: #126 Alouette

But of course. Nowdays any OB can handle that.

152 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:12:50pm

The Shi’ite militant organization Hezbollah is likely to gain possession of weapons supplied to Lebanon by the United States, Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned on Tuesday.

“We don’t like the supply of American weapons to Lebanon’s army over recent months, as well as the [further ones] planned; these arms are likely to reach Hezbollah’s hands,” Barak said at a conference in Ramat Gan.

[Link: www.haaretz.com…]

Well look on the bright side, it does provide American jobs?

153 blangwort  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:13:08pm

Jihadis have killed more of their own muslim population to keep them in line than they have of any western group.

It’s sad. I think of it as organized crime, with religion. Only, the Eastern world and their fatalist attitudes do not seem to have much in the way of an Elliot Ness to clean this up.

154 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:13:10pm

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhh!

Blue screen.

155 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:13:48pm

re: #149 John Neverbend

Where is this bookstore?

On Connecticut Ave., NW.

[Link: www.politics-prose.com…]

156 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:14:38pm

re: #150 Catttt

Oh - DC. I often want to go there for stuff, but I don’t want to go there.

I’ve been working in the city for around 3 years now. I’m used to being here.

157 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:15:06pm

And this “terrorist” act from the militant arm of a “peaceful religion”? Chaos is the goal and fiefdoms! Remember the world of Islam is still in the 7th century and they have yet to feel the massive deaths that us “infidels” have felt in both World Wars!

158 legalpad  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:15:12pm

re: #134 ssn697

“Honey, I got us a really cheap cruise, followed up by a stay at a 5 star hotel. We can do some backpacking while we are there…”

Followed by stopovers in Myanmar and North Korea.

159 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:16:15pm

re: #156 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’ve been working in the city for around 3 years now. I’m used to being here.

I used to go there all the time, but I’m not as used to driving as I used to be and hate - HATE - the traffic there.

160 callahan23  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:16:56pm

re: #154 Catttt

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhh!

Blue screen.

Shyte, I am sorry for you.

161 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:17:03pm

re: #146 Salamantis

For a very few women (1000 per year out of 1.4 million abortions), such emergency deliveries would pose drastic threats to their lives. They had to travel to one of the three clinics that provide late-term abortions because the hospitals and doctors where they were advised them to seek the procedure, but refused to perform it for reasons of personal safety.

A woman is in such a desperate situation that an emergency c-section might possibly kill her, but travelling to some clinic out in the middle of nowhere, not a state of the art facility, won’t kill her?

I’m having trouble imagining how she can survive until she gets to the clinic out in the middle of nowhere. I assume there is not emergency helicopter medivac service.

I’m not a doctor. I assume you are, so maybe you can explain this phenomenon.

162 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:17:28pm

re: #159 Catttt

I take the Metro to work, and to my gym on Saturdays. I don’t drive much at all in DC.

163 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:17:33pm

re: #157 MarineVet

And this “terrorist” act from the militant arm of a “peaceful religion”? Chaos is the goal and fiefdoms! Remember the world of Islam is still in the 7th century and they have yet to feel the massive deaths that us “infidels” have felt in both World Wars!

I’d say something but it might not be received well by the Powers that be?

164 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:17:39pm

re: #155 Mad Al-Jaffee

On Connecticut Ave., NW.

[Link: www.politics-prose.com…]

This is often the venue featured on C-SPAN Book TV. Their cameras will probably be there, if you want to ask a question during the question and answer segment … .

165 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:18:27pm
166 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:19:45pm

re: #146 Salamantis

For a very few women (1000 per year out of 1.4 million abortions), such emergency deliveries would pose drastic threats to their lives. They had to travel to one of the three clinics that provide late-term abortions because the hospitals and doctors where they were advised them to seek the procedure, but refused to perform it for reasons of personal safety.

One small additional point: isn’t it also the case that these particular late term abortions require someone highly skilled? The medical procedures themselves are different than the procedures used for other sorts of abortion. So it’s not just personal safety that motivates hospitals and doctors to send these women elsewhere, but also the fact that it’s a dangerous and difficult procedure that requires specialised knowledge—and there were only three doctors who could perform them.

167 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:20:07pm

Researchers Debate ‘Obama Effect’ on Black Students’ Test Scores

So now they’re for the power of prayer?

168 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:20:18pm

Do we know yet, clenched or unclenched militants?

169 legalpad  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:20:50pm

It’s hard to imagine what westerners are thinking going to some of these places for any reason. Mexico, I think, has joined the list.

170 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:20:52pm

re: #167 Ben Hur

Researchers Debate ‘Obama Effect’ on Black Students’ Test Scores

So now they’re for the power of prayer?

Well maybe. Blow jobs work for me.

171 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:23:53pm

re: #162 Mad Al-Jaffee

I take the Metro to work, and to my gym on Saturdays. I don’t drive much at all in DC.

The Metro is great for regular use or if you are going someplace where you know how to get to from the Metro, but if you are going somewhere you aren’t familiar with or don’t go that often, not so much. Plus, I still have to drive to get to the Metro.

My commute is great, though - I walk to the computer. (I telecommute.) :D

172 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:24:48pm

re: #165 taxfreekiller

Can you in your wildest imaginations have ever thought that our country would have such utter rank fools in the White House, with total bat shit crazy loons like Nancy Pelosi to enable it down the road.

Special Master of Compensation.
these hack loons will end up making Ms. Mao look and sound normal

get worried folks IMO

Honestly, I have been worried about the quality of leadership for many years. It has always seemed remarkable to me that a great and populous country like the USA seems to have so much difficulty in attracting first class leaders.
I just don’t get it.

173 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:25:41pm

re: #171 Catttt

The Metro is great for regular use or if you are going someplace where you know how to get to from the Metro, but if you are going somewhere you aren’t familiar with or don’t go that often, not so much. Plus, I still have to drive to get to the Metro.

My commute is great, though - I walk to the computer. (I telecommute.) :D

Before and slightly after we were married, my wife lived in DC. I liked it fine, but basically I was taking it from the Airport to Dupont Circle.

174 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:26:27pm

re: #166 iceweasel

One small additional point: isn’t it also the case that these particular late term abortions require someone highly skilled? The medical procedures themselves are different than the procedures used for other sorts of abortion. So it’s not just personal safety that motivates hospitals and doctors to send these women elsewhere, but also the fact that it’s a dangerous and difficult procedure that requires specialised knowledge—and there were only three doctors who could perform them.

OK, that makes sense to me.

175 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:26:28pm

re: #158 legalpad

Followed by stopovers in Myanmar and North Korea.

No weekend in Mogadishu?

176 bnichols10  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:26:50pm

re: #172 Spare O’Lake

We don’t elect leaders - we elect people who are good at campaigning.

177 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:26:54pm

Poor Catttt. It could be worse. You could be having computer problems in Pakistan.

178 brookly red  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:27:02pm

re: #172 Spare O’Lake

Honestly, I have been worried about the quality of leadership for many years. It has always seemed remarkable to me that a great and populous country like the USA seems to have so much difficulty in attracting first class leaders.
I just don’t get it.

I don’t know if we have difficulty in attracting them, just electing them.

179 avanti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:27:14pm

OT. Got some good news for my son last night. He was doing a acoustic gig at a local bar, doing some of his own music when I Rep from Universal Music gave him a card and asked for some demo’s and a bio.
He’s sent out plenty, but this was the first time he was asked. Great news for him, since Good Charlotte once opened for him locally, and they were signed years ago.
He was not happy with Good Charlotte since now that they’ve made it, they won’t even take his calls and he got them dozens of local gigs.

180 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:27:29pm

The media is doing whatever it can to try and spin the economy as a positive for the President, even going so far as to claim that rising oil prices are going to put a damper on the “budding recovery”. Rising unemployment rates that show no sign of slowing down is budding recovery? Who are they kidding?

There’s spin, and then there’s spin, but that’s just flat out nonsense.

It’s CNN, I know.

181 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:28:23pm

re: #171 Catttt

I drive about five minutes in the morning, take the Metro to Union Station and walk a couple of blocks to work. Unfortunately, it costs $4.25 a day to park at the closest Metro station, and it’s too far to walk.

182 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:28:45pm

Mr. $490 Billion Deficit says what?

Obama proposes making ‘pay-as-you-go’ the law

President Obama on Tuesday proposed making “pay-as-you-go” rules for federal spending into law.

The so-called PAYGO proposal requires Congress to balance any increased spending by equal savings elsewhere, Obama said in announcing the measure that now goes to Congress.
…
“Paying for what you spend is basic common sense,” Obama said. “Perhaps that’s why, here in Washington, it’s been so elusive.”

183 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:28:52pm

re: #167 Ben Hur

Researchers Debate ‘Obama Effect’ on Black Students’ Test Scores

So now they’re for the power of prayer?

Maybe they should try the “Obama Effect” on those black New Haven firefighters.

184 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:28:53pm

re: #175 MandyManners

Well, it would be a walk in the park and a vacation for them.

185 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:29:37pm

re: #175 MandyManners

Weekend in Mogadishu

Your idea of a romantic getaway?

186 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:29:46pm

re: #179 avanti

Cool! What kind of music does he play. My step-brother is going to featured in Guitar Player magazine next month.

187 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:30:05pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Mr. $490 Billion Deficit says what?

Obama proposes making ‘pay-as-you-go’ the law

And where is that accountant from the Movie “Dave”. It’s really his doing.

188 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:30:06pm

re: #175 MandyManners

No weekend in Mogadishu?

Pirate vacation! Arrr!

189 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:30:07pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

You’re off by a trillion dollars - given that he quadrupled the deficit to $1.4 trillion this year alone, and will continue adding trillions over the next three years, especially if the health care exploder and climate change nonsense come to pass.

190 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:30:43pm

re: #185 Kenneth

Your idea of a romantic getaway?

REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION!

Youtube Video
191 ssn697  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:30:44pm

re: #185 Kenneth

Your idea of a romantic getaway?

Somali Sunbathers Club…

192 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:31:19pm

Yes I almost went overboard on my posting here as well. No telling how much hot water that would cause even though we are exercising our 1st Amendment rights…..oops the first is only for the people that agree you know those 53%’s out there…..

re: #163 Nevergiveup

193 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:31:34pm

re: #180 lawhawk

The media is doing whatever it can to try and spin the economy as a positive for the President, even going so far as to claim that rising oil prices are going to put a damper on the “budding recovery”. Rising unemployment rates that show no sign of slowing down is budding recovery? Who are they kidding?

There’s spin, and then there’s spin, but that’s just flat out nonsense.

It’s CNN, I know.

Youtube Video
194 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:31:41pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Mr. $490 Billion Deficit says what?

Obama proposes making ‘pay-as-you-go’ the law

Ok, I imagined that in Wayne’s World speak and laughed till it hurt.

195 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:31:48pm

re: #189 lawhawk

Ah, I did a quick google and that was the first result. Numbers that big don’t even stick in my head.

196 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:32:09pm

re: #184 lawhawk

Well, it would be a walk in the park and a vacation for them.

Female or male? That’d take a lot of fabric to make a burkha.

197 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:32:11pm

re: #172 Spare O’Lake

Honestly, I have been worried about the quality of leadership for many years. It has always seemed remarkable to me that a great and populous country like the USA seems to have so much difficulty in attracting first class leaders.
I just don’t get it.

It goes along with the switch from citizen legislatures to a professional political class. That political class is held in about the same regard as used car salesmen in plaid polyester suits. Also the real achievers in our society want to build, to create something, power for power sakes doesn’t interest them like it does those attracted to the political class.

198 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:32:22pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Mr. $490 Billion Deficit says what?

Obama proposes making ‘pay-as-you-go’ the law

What a novel concept.

199 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:32:53pm
200 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:33:45pm

re: #198 Sharmuta

I’m suppose his current budget has already passed to it’s exempt. How does he plan to fund socialized medicine? There has to be a catch.

201 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:34:16pm

re: #192 MarineVet

Yes I almost went overboard on my posting here as well. No telling how much hot water that would cause even though we are exercising our 1st Amendment rights…..oops the first is only for the people that agree you know those 53%’s out there…..

Well that wasn’t the power I was talking about, but I get your point

202 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:34:19pm
203 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:34:20pm

re: #173 Nevergiveup

Before and slightly after we were married, my wife lived in DC. I liked it fine, but basically I was taking it from the Airport to Dupont Circle.

Years and years ago, I lived near Dupont Circle and worked right by the old Soviet Embassy. I walked to and from work every day.

204 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:34:21pm

re: #185 Kenneth

Your idea of a romantic getaway?

Moon-lit walks on the beach?

205 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:34:39pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I’m suppose his current budget has already passed to it’s exempt. How does he plan to fund socialized medicine? There has to be a catch.

Obama has decided to use the California Model, and ignore that pesky reality issue.

206 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:34:56pm

re: #202 taxfreekiller

On Obama and “pay as you go”.

Obama lies as he goes.

Pay as you go broke.

207 brookly red  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:35:04pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Mr. $490 Billion Deficit says what?

Obama proposes making ‘pay-as-you-go’ the law

well OK, as long as we make it retroactive.

208 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:35:12pm

re: #180 lawhawk

If one doesn’t like the standard and traditional way of measuring things?

Just make up a new measuring system!

209 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:35:32pm
210 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:35:41pm

re: #188 Alouette

Pirate vacation! Arrr!

You know it!

211 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:35:47pm

Wow. It was a huge bomb, alright. Check out the damage.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

212 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:36:17pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I’m suppose his current budget has already passed to it’s exempt. How does he plan to fund socialized medicine? There has to be a catch.

I’m imagining Congressional democrats as Napoleon in Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure- you know, the scene in the ice cream shop where Napoleon says, “PAY?!”

213 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:36:37pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Mr. $490 Billion Deficit says what?

Obama proposes making ‘pay-as-you-go’ the law

Holy cow - He is so full of s**t. Geez. Eye roll.

Maybe he should stop showing off in Europe and Asia and spend more time - you know - thinking.

214 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #210 MandyManners

You know it!

Move the cursor over the picture.

215 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:36:58pm

re: #211 Pvt Bin Jammin

Wow. It was a huge bomb, alright. Check out the damage.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

Wow!

216 avanti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:37:10pm

re: #186 Mad Al-Jaffee

Cool! What kind of music does he play. My step-brother is going to featured in Guitar Player magazine next month.

One of his songs is the background music on his girlfriends

page.

217 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:37:19pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I’m suppose his current budget has already passed to it’s exempt. How does he plan to fund socialized medicine? There has to be a catch.

Did I hear you say that there must be a catch?

Youtube Video
218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:37:28pm

Hey! Let’s build a hotel in Pakistan. Only a five million buy-in.

It’ll be great! What an investment!

Anybody?

Hello?

Bueller?

219 Baier  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:37:54pm

re: #189 lawhawk

You’re off by a trillion dollars - given that he quadrupled the deficit to $1.4 trillion this year alone, and will continue adding trillions over the next three years, especially if the health care exploder and climate change nonsense come to pass.

Say hello to the VAT tax my friend.

220 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:37:56pm

re: #216 avanti

I can’t access MySpace from work. I’ll try to check it out later.

221 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #208 experiencedtraveller

If one doesn’t like the standard and traditional way of measuring things?

Just make up a new measuring system!

Redefining success until and economic collapse is considered a historic success.

222 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:38:52pm

re: #219 Baier

Say hello to the VAT tax my friend.

THAT would actually get voters to toss Senators and Representatives wholesale.

223 brookly red  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:39:42pm

re: #222 acwgusa

THAT would actually get voters to toss Senators and Representatives wholesale.

might be worth it…

224 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:39:50pm

re: #174 Alouette

I think part of the confusion is that we generically use the word “abortion” to cover a vast amount of different medical procedures. I’ve long thought that the kind of late-term ‘abortions’ we’re talking about shouldn’t even be called ‘abortion’, especially the ones that involve removing fetuses that are already dead or dying, or so severely damaged that they’ll die upon delivery.

But right now we use a single word to cover all these different cases, even though there’s a vast difference.

Even the most prolife person might turn out to support the medical procedures I’m talking about, but we’re polarised by the use of the word ‘abortion’.

225 bloodnok  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:40:04pm

re: #217 Spare O’Lake

Did I hear you say that there must be a catch?



Good song. Good group (for a couple of years there).

226 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:40:09pm
227 Baier  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:40:24pm

re: #222 acwgusa

THAT would actually get voters to toss Senators and Representatives wholesale.

I think the VAT going to happen. I can’t see any other way…other than stop this ridiculous spending, but we’re talking about Obama and the Democrats here.

228 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:41:12pm

I think my wife should be involved in the Federal Government! Show them how to balance a check book and operating in the red ALL the TIME will never let you buy the groceries! Take from here to go to here reminds me of the biblical reference of “borrowing from Peter to pay Paul” words like fiscal responsibility mean nothing! They should look at last years budget and take 10% off and say “thats it for this year folks” of course our current generation is being told to sacrifice for our children and grand children because its too late for us…….BS politicians on both sides of the aisle and in between too….


re: #198 Sharmuta

229 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:41:18pm

re: #227 Baier

I think the VAT going to happen. I can’t see any other way…other than stop this ridiculous spending, but we’re talking about Obama and the Democrats here.

Followed by a massive downturn in consumer spending.

230 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:41:25pm
231 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:41:57pm

re: #208 experiencedtraveller

Indeed (and I’ve called Obama out on that as well).

232 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:42:02pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

That’s how we got the metric system.

Of course, at the time the French also proposed applying the decimal system to the hours of the day and the months of the year, and wanted to re-start the calendar from the date of their Revolution.


The only good thing to come from the metric system was the 9mm.

233 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:42:36pm

re: #232 acwgusa

The only good thing to come from the metric system was the 9mm.

What about the 750mL?

234 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:42:40pm

For certain in these uncertain times the messages are confusing…


re: #201 Nevergiveup

235 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:42:50pm

re: #232 acwgusa

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?

236 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:43:04pm

Pakistani tribesmen destroy Taliban commanders’ homes in militia attack

As many as 1,600 tribesmen have joined a citizens’ militia in Upper Dir district - an indication of rising anti-Taliban sentiment in Pakistan as the military pursues its offensive against the militant group in the nearby Swat Valley.

I don’t think bombing a big city luxury hotel is going to stop the tribesmen from going after the Taliban.

237 samsgran1948  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:43:10pm

re: #93 Ben Hur

I really wish Mr. Hannan would move here and surgically implant a backbone into the Republican party.

238 Baier  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:43:17pm

re: #229 acwgusa

Followed by a massive downturn in consumer spending.

Absolutely. This is a mess that is just going to get worse. This is a hole to big for the “rich” to fill. Either raise income taxes on the middle class (never will happen) or the VAT.

239 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:43:49pm

Nazi Salutes at Hebrew University

Ahhhh…the Left.

240 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:43:55pm

re: #224 iceweasel

I think part of the confusion is that we generically use the word “abortion” to cover a vast amount of different medical procedures. I’ve long thought that the kind of late-term ‘abortions’ we’re talking about shouldn’t even be called ‘abortion’, especially the ones that involve removing fetuses that are already dead or dying, or so severely damaged that they’ll die upon delivery.

But right now we use a single word to cover all these different cases, even though there’s a vast difference.

Even the most prolife person might turn out to support the medical procedures I’m talking about, but we’re polarised by the use of the word ‘abortion’.

I’m thinking of emergency situations where a late pregnancy has to be terminated. That could be done by emergency c-section or induced delivery.

241 opnion  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:12pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I’m suppose his current budget has already passed to it’s exempt. How does he plan to fund socialized medicine? There has to be a catch.

Employers, he will offer the government plan competing with private plans.
In a relative short time employers will opt for the less expensive public model.
We will then see lines, rationing & outright treatment refusal.
This is not a fantasy, it happens with socialized medicine now.
After a while the government being the government will increase premiums, to be able to fund other things.

242 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #238 Baier

Absolutely. This is a mess that is just going to get worse. This is a hole to big for the “rich” to fill. Either raise income taxes on the middle class (never will happen) or the VAT.

To be honest about it, I wouldn’t buy anything again if it wasn’t a necessity if a VAT happened.

243 brookly red  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:24pm

re: #235 Mad Al-Jaffee

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?

shawrma

244 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:25pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

That’s how we got the metric system.

Of course, at the time the French also proposed applying the decimal system to the hours of the day and the months of the year, and wanted to re-start the calendar from the date of their Revolution.

The Measure of All Things : The Seven-Year Odyssey and Hidden Error That Transformed the World

Alder delivers a triple whammy with this elegant history of technology, acute cultural chronicle and riveting intellectual adventure built around Delambre’s and Mechain’s famed meridian expedition of 1792-1799 to calculate the length of the meter. Disclosing for the first time details from the astronomers’ personal correspondences (and supplementing his research with a bicycle tour of their route), Alder reveals how the exacting Mechain made a mistake in his calculations, which he covered up, and which tortured him until his death. Mechain, remarkably scrupulous even in his doctoring of the data, was driven in part by his conviction that the quest for precision and a universal measure would disclose the ordered world of 18th-century natural philosophy, not the eccentric, misshapen world the numbers suggested. Indeed, Alder has placed Delambre and Mechain squarely in the larger context of the Enlightenment’s quest for perfection in nature and its startling discovery of a world “too irregular to serve as its own measure.” Particularly fascinating is his treatment of the politics of 18th-century measurement, notably the challenge the savants of the period faced in imposing a standard of weights and measures in the complicated post-ancien regime climate. Alder convincingly argues that science and self-knowledge are matters of inference, and by extension prone to error. Delambre, a Skeptical Stoic, was the more pragmatic and, perhaps, the more modern of the two astronomers, settling as he did for honesty in error where precision was out of reach.

An excellent historical read.

245 Baier  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:28pm

re: #239 Ben Hur

Nazi Salutes at Hebrew University

Ahhhh…the Left.

No egg thowers in sight.

246 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:30pm

OT

“Welcome to system Recovery.”

Scream.

247 eon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:34pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I’m suppose his current budget has already passed to it’s exempt. How does he plan to fund socialized medicine? There has to be a catch.

How do “progressives” always fund their delusions dreams?

They cut defense spending.

They cut space research.

They cut energy research (except for Holy Wind and Sun, and a bit for fusion, which they are sure will never deliver but gives them an excuse to continue Carter’s de facto ban on nuclear fission plants).

They cut enforcement of laws they don’t like (think immigration, drugs, etc.).

And of course… they increase taxes, create new taxes, and if all else fails, just print money. Claiming, with perfectly straight faces, that everything they do “adds value”.

The problem is that “progressives”, like The One, live in a different and largely imaginary “reality”, composed of faculty lounges, newsrooms, campaign “war rooms”, and cocktail parties. Places in which they never meet anyone who ever disagrees with them on anything.

When they have to confront reality itself… most of them never recover. They do, however, use whatever power they have accrued to punish reality for having the audacity to disagree with them.

cheers

eon

248 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:41pm

re: #235 Mad Al-Jaffee

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?

A mime?

249 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:42pm

re: #228 MarineVet

I’m shocked 0bama even came up with “pay as you go” though. That’s surprising. It’s the republicans that are supposed to be gaining ground with the electorate on fiscal issues, and he turns around and offers “pay as you go”? Republicans need to start talking about a balanced budget now.

250 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:44:59pm
251 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:45:22pm

re: #248 acwgusa

Royale with cheese.

252 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:45:23pm

re: #236 Catttt

Pakistani tribesmen destroy Taliban commanders’ homes in militia attack


I don’t think bombing a big city luxury hotel is going to stop the tribesmen from going after the Taliban.

I hope the lashkar succeed.

253 Salamantis  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:45:28pm

re: #161 Alouette

A woman is in such a desperate situation that an emergency c-section might possibly kill her, but travelling to some clinic out in the middle of nowhere, not a state of the art facility, won’t kill her?

I’m having trouble imagining how she can survive until she gets to the clinic out in the middle of nowhere. I assume there is not emergency helicopter medivac service.

I’m not a doctor. I assume you are, so maybe you can explain this phenomenon.

Sure. She possesses a medical condition that would kill her if she underwent either childbirth or c-section, but she is stable until such things happen. Like I said; rare, but existent. Of course, considering your antiabortion sympathies, you would dearly love to believe that no such cases ever happen, and that the contention that they do indeed occasionally happen is a pernicious lie, but the medical fact is that they DO happen, although, as I mentioned before, rarely, and that empirical reality will not bend to your intense desires on the matter.

And the few clinics in the US that specialize in late-term abortion procedures most probably possesss specialized technology that hospitals that refuse to provide the procedure do not.

254 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:45:38pm

re: #235 Mad Al-Jaffee

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?

A quarter pounder with cheese in Paris? ;)

255 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:45:41pm

Nope we need the Wholly See to come and perform an exorcism to remove the progressive/statist movement and return to our conservative/Republic values!

re: #237 samsgran1948

256 ssn697  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:46:03pm

re: #254 FurryOldGuyJeans

A quarter pounder with cheese in Paris? ;)

But does it answer?

257 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:46:29pm

re: #216 avanti

One of his songs is the background music on his girlfriends

page.

I really like it. He’s very good.

258 brookly red  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:46:38pm

re: #256 ssn697

But does it answer?

yes, & it repeats it self…

259 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:46:44pm

re: #246 Catttt

OT

“Welcome to system Recovery.”

Scream.

Microsoft. Shattering your nerves, one ganglion at a time.

260 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:46:48pm

re: #255 MarineVet

Nope we need the Wholly See to come and perform an exorcism to remove the progressive/statist movement and return to our conservative/Republic values!


You’ll need a young priest, and an old priest……

261 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:47:00pm

re: #256 ssn697

But does it answer?

Nope; with most things McD it is not just mostly dead, but is VERY dead.

262 Baier  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:47:05pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

I’m shocked 0bama even came up with “pay as you go” though. That’s surprising. It’s the republicans that are supposed to be gaining ground with the electorate on fiscal issues, and he turns around and offers “pay as you go”? Republicans need to start talking about a balanced budget now.

Obama didn’t come up with Pay As you Go, it is a modified version of Paygo, which is already in effect. Minus the loop holes, and with 10 years rather than 1 to off-set the spending.

263 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:47:11pm

re: #236 Catttt

I don’t think the tribesmen ever stayed at the big city luxury hotel.

264 callahan23  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:47:14pm

re: #235 Mad Al-Jaffee

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?

A Royal with cheese.

265 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:47:25pm

re: #256 ssn697

Haven’t any of you seen Pulp Fiction?!

266 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:47:42pm

Pay as you go means nothing. invent some ficticous “pork project” in a bill that passes and use it as a front to “cutting the budget” smoke and mirrors and shell game BS.

re: #249 Sharmuta

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:48:01pm

re: #264 callahan23

“…and furious anger!”

268 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:48:12pm

re: #265 Mad Al-Jaffee

Haven’t any of you seen Pulp Fiction?!

Yep. It was some fucked up repugnant shit.

Good movie.

269 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:48:15pm

re: #235 Mad Al-Jaffee

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?

Pulp Fiction ref.

But I think they really call it a poison American turd on a bun.

270 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:48:25pm

re: #265 Mad Al-Jaffee

Haven’t any of you seen Pulp Fiction?!

Many, many times. I still like Resevoir Dogs better.

271 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:48:25pm

re: #239 Ben Hur

Nazi Salutes at Hebrew University

Ahhhh…the Left.

Barak went on to express his support for a bill tabled in 2007 calling for outlawing the use of Nazi symbols outside of educational or historical contexts. The one exception in the proposed law allowing Nazi symbols in the context of political protest is “for the purpose of protesting racist phenomena”. The law was proposed in response to use of Nazi symbols and name-calling by right-wing protesters during and after the 2005 eviction of the Jews of Gaza by the Israeli government.

Will it be brought back for a vote?

272 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:48:51pm
273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:48:58pm

re: #265 Mad Al-Jaffee

Haven’t any of you seen Pulp Fiction?!

Seen what?

274 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:49:18pm

re: #246 Catttt

OT

“Welcome to system Recovery.”

Scream.

Shoot it?

275 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:49:29pm

re: #270 MrSilverDragon

Many, many times. I still like Reservoir Dogs better.

Spellcheck would be my friend if I remembered him.

276 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:49:33pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

Pulp Fiction ref.

But I think they really call it a poison American turd on a bun.

Coming from people who think snail is high gourmet, that’s rich.

277 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:49:41pm

re: #253 Salamantis

Sal, I really do like you, but the dripping condensation in that post is beneath your debating skills, imho

take that with as many grains of salt as you wish

278 avanti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:50:13pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

I’m shocked 0bama even came up with “pay as you go” though. That’s surprising. It’s the republicans that are supposed to be gaining ground with the electorate on fiscal issues, and he turns around and offers “pay as you go”? Republicans need to start talking about a balanced budget now.

I agree, but in fairness, it could get scary. Give some Democrats the choice of having to cut programs or raise taxes, I fear the choice may not be the one BHO would choose.

279 callahan23  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:50:24pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“…and furious anger!”

… those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Aaaaaaaaahhh BOOM BOOOM BOOM

280 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:50:29pm

Yes and split pea soup LOTS of it ha ha.

re: #260 acwgusa

281 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:50:40pm

re: #277 sattv4u2

Sal, I really do like you, but the dripping condensation in that post is beneath your debating skills, imho

take that with as many grains of salt as you wish

Condensation? Sal, you need an HVAC specialist?

282 acwgusa  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:51:07pm

re: #278 avanti

I agree, but in fairness, it could get scary. Give some Democrats the choice of having to cut programs or raise taxes, I fear the choice may not be the one BHO would choose.

Blame Bush?

283 eon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:51:13pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“…and furious anger!”

“…. But I’m tryin’, real hard, to be the shepherd.”

Probably Samuel L. Jackson’s best role’ and performance of his career.

Also the movie with what is probably Travolta’s only good performance.

cheers

eon

284 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:00pm

re: #240 Alouette

I’m thinking of emergency situations where a late pregnancy has to be terminated. That could be done by emergency c-section or induced delivery.

Yes, see Salamantis at 253 on this. I earlier made the point that I think these also require specialised knowledge.

285 avanti  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:06pm

re: #257 redstateredneck

I really like it. He’s very good.

He needs a pro to make his vocals sound better IMHO, but we’ll see.

286 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:10pm

re: #281 Cato the Elder

Condensation? Sal, you need an HVAC specialist?

DRIPPING , no less! (glad someone caught the double entendre)

287 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:12pm

re: #283 eon

Travolta was good in Get Shorty. And Welcome Back Kotter. :)

288 Dawnoftruth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:17pm

re: #146 Salamantis

A law doesn’t have to be passed if doctors who perform necessary late term abortions are stignmatized, demonized, and eventually shot. The vast majority of doctors will refuse to do the procedure, out of fear and self-preservation. Plus, very few doctors have experience in performing late-term abortions; it makes eminent sense for women with life-threatening pregnancies to seek out experienced physicians. There is now one less experienced physician that they can seek.

If a women’s life is in danger, a OB-GYN can perform an emergency c-section. The fetus will be taken early. If the fetus can not survice outside the womb it will be treated medically and will be cared for until it dies. there is no reason that a women has to go to a clinic to have this done. She will receive excellent care in a hospital. The records are private, the doctors will not be stigmitized. It is considered a medical procedure.

289 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:18pm

Question:

Will John Travolta dance in Pelham 123?

290 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:32pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

Pulp Fiction ref.

But I think they really call it a poison American turd on a bun.

toxique poopoo a la Amerique de croissant?

291 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:40pm

re: #283 eon

“…. But I’m tryin’, real hard, to be the shepherd.”

Probably Samuel L. Jackson’s best role’ and performance of his career.

Also the movie with what is probably Travolta’s only good performance.

cheers

eon

What?!?! You didn’t like Battlefield: Earth?!?!

/folks, seriously, do I really have to?

292 opnion  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:52:42pm

re: #265 Mad Al-Jaffee

Haven’t any of you seen Pulp Fiction?!


“Damn Jimmy , this some good coffee. Um Um this some gormet shit. whereju git this coffee?”

293 eon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:53:32pm

re: #274 MandyManners

Shoot it?

You’d have to file an Environmental Impact Statement- broken bits, chemicals, you know.

////

cheers

eon

294 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:54:05pm

re: #281 Cato the Elder

Condensation? Sal, you need an HVAC specialist?

I just had that problem; took almost 200 dollars and 65 psi of air pressure to clear the drain!

/

295 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:54:34pm

re: #262 Baier

Obama didn’t come up with Pay As you Go, it is a modified version of Paygo, which is already in effect. Minus the loop holes, and with 10 years rather than 1 to off-set the spending.

I see you’re correct, but I think I still have a point that this was something the republicans should have proposed, not 0bama.

PAYGO:

An important example of such a system is the use of PAYGO rules in the United States Congress. First enacted as part of the Budget Enforcement Act of 1990 (which was incorporated as Title XIII of the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990), PAYGO required all increases in direct spending or revenue decreases to be offset by other spending decreases or revenue increases. It was thought that this would control deficit spending.

It was the republican controlled Congress that did away with PAYGO….

296 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:55:10pm

re: #285 avanti

He needs a pro to make his vocals sound better IMHO, but we’ll see.

He should see Brittany Spear’s vocal coach. Now that girl can sing.

///

297 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:55:22pm

re: #291 MrSilverDragon

What?!?! You didn’t like Battlefield: Earth?!?!

/folks, seriously, do I really have to?

I LOVED it! Laughed my ass off!

/what? It wasn’t a comedy? Oh … nevermind!

298 Bloodnok  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:56:15pm

re: #295 Sharmuta

It was the republican controlled Congress that did away with PAYGO….

Ouch. Double the embarrassment.

299 MarineVet  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:56:18pm

great point? Will it ever become unfashionable to blame Bush? I am thinking even after “Comrade” comes back in fashion and we have lots of Che Gueverra statues next to the Viet Nam Memorial the state run media will make Bush disappear and our teacher’s unions will make BHO the last and only POTUS/Messiah….. will we need a new calendar now?


re: #282 acwgusa

300 Salamantis  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:56:42pm

re: #288 Dawnoftruth

If a women’s life is in danger, a OB-GYN can perform an emergency c-section. The fetus will be taken early. If the fetus can not survice outside the womb it will be treated medically and will be cared for until it dies. there is no reason that a women has to go to a clinic to have this done. She will receive excellent care in a hospital. The records are private, the doctors will not be stigmitized. It is considered a medical procedure.

There are rare cases, such as if the woman is suffering from advanced stage cancer, severe heart disease, advanced COPD (emphysema), or severe diabetes (which can also be pregnancy-induced), when either the pain of childbirth or c section or the painkillers or saddle blocks or anaesthesia used to ameliorate them could constitute grave dangers to the woman’s life.

301 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:57:08pm

re: #272 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds very interesting—thanks!

They measured the irregularity of the earth’s sphere, they expected a perfect sphere, the difference drove one of them crazy because he could find his “error” and the result is the meter is slight longer than the perfection they sought.

302 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:57:50pm

re: #235 Mad Al-Jaffee

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?

Royal with cheese. I cheated.

303 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:58:00pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

That’s how we got the metric system.

Of course, at the time the French also proposed applying the decimal system to the hours of the day and the months of the year, and wanted to re-start the calendar from the date of their Revolution.

Fascinating. In the French Revolution to stay alive you really had to keep your head.

304 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:58:17pm

re: #301 jcm

They measured the irregularity of the earth’s sphere

The study was sponsored by Pepto-Bismol, of course.

305 jorline  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:58:18pm

Good afternoon all.

Question:

Does Pelosi only own one pantsuit?
Every time I see a picture of her she’s in the same light green outfit with that big ass necklace.

Note two pictures ondrudge and wapo

306 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:58:21pm

Blue screen.

Dammit.

307 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:58:31pm

Condescension

308 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:58:49pm

Oh joy. Looks like tornado weather now.

309 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:58:54pm

re: #298 Bloodnok

Ouch. Double the embarrassment.

When the GOP kicked out Newt, it was like it kicked out fiscal conservatism too.

310 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:59:08pm

{Catttt}

311 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:59:08pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

DRIPPING , no less! (glad someone caught the double entendre)

Sometimes I condescend to condense an argument to its bare syllogistic bones.

Sometimes I deign to drip with sarcasm.

And sometimes I stoop to sneer.

But double ententes are for diplomats, and no one has ever accused me of being one of those.

;^)

312 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 1:59:09pm

re: #305 jorline

Good afternoon all.

Question:

Does Pelosi only own one pantsuit?
Every time I see a picture of her she’s in the same light green outfit with that big ass necklace.

Note two pictures ondrudge and wapo

She owns hundreds. They turn green after exposure to her.

313 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:00:03pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

{Catttt}

It’s ok. If the power fails, no more blue screens for a while. :D

314 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:00:12pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

{Catttt}

Don’t hug on her, send her to the root cellar!

/only slightly

315 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:00:13pm

re: #311 Cato the Elder

Sometimes I condescend to condense an argument to its bare syllogistic bones.

Sometimes I deign to drip with sarcasm.

And sometimes I stoop to sneer.

But double ententes are for diplomats, and no one has ever accused me of being one of those.

;^)

One of what ,, a diplomat, or a double entente?

316 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:00:30pm

re: #308 Catttt

Oh joy. Looks like tornado weather now.

If the worst should happen, remember: That Witch can be destroyed with a simple bucket of water.

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:00:34pm

re: #270 MrSilverDragon

Many, many times. I still like Resevoir Dogs better.

I have a reaction every time I hear “Stuck in the Middle With You” by Stealer’s Wheel.

318 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:00:35pm

re: #312 OldLineTexan

She owns hundreds. They turn green after exposure to her.


That type of hate speech is not tolerated.

319 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:00:52pm

re: #308 Catttt

Oh joy. Looks like tornado weather now.

Where are you? It’s looking a little funny here in Louisville?

320 Dawnoftruth  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:00:54pm

re: #300 Salamantis

You do realize that in the late term abortion you induce labor and the fetus is delivered all but the head. What is the difference? there is stress on the mother no matter which procedure you do.

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:01:01pm

Hello! I must be going….

322 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:01:20pm

re: #308 Catttt

Oh joy. Looks like tornado weather now.

I’m seeing the same thing. And if it thunders, they close the pool at the Y.

Cato no swimmy, Cato unhappy.

323 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:01:28pm

re: #315 sattv4u2

Just stay away from Triple Ententes … those are messy.

/

324 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:01:36pm

re: #231 lawhawk

Indeed (and I’ve called Obama out on that as well).

PLEASE keep it up. When they start messing with non partisan statistics things will go south quickly…

325 astronmr20  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:02:06pm

So can we start another topic about Pakistan? This comment thread went off the tracks at about number 30…


/Just sayin’.

326 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:02:25pm

re: #305 jorline

Good afternoon all.

Question:

Does Pelosi only own one pantsuit?
Every time I see a picture of her she’s in the same light green outfit with that big ass necklace.

Note two pictures ondrudge and wapo

She got that necklace at Mardi Gras for showing her tata’s. Only one strand. Poor Nancy.

327 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:02:34pm

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hello! I must be going….

remember to flush , and put the seat back down!

328 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:02:54pm
329 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:03:02pm

re: #318 Ben Hur

That type of hate speech is not tolerated.

Chemical reactions know no human rules. They follow the mutable yet stable logic of the cosmos.

/

330 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:03:22pm

re: #315 sattv4u2

One of what ,, a diplomat, or a double entente?

Diplomat…

“You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain’t it hard when you discover that
He wasn’t really where it’s at
After he took from you
Everything he could steal?
How does it feel?”

331 Salamantis  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #320 Dawnoftruth

You do realize that in the late term abortion you induce labor and the fetus is delivered all but the head. What is the difference? there is stress on the mother no matter which procedure you do.

Wrong. So-called partial birth abortion was not among the three late-term abortion procedures that Dr. Tiller employed in the state of Kansas.

332 jorline  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:03:52pm

re: #326 KenJen

She got that necklace at Mardi Gras for showing her tata’s. Only one strand. Poor Nancy.

Crap, a Pelosi boob thread.

333 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:03:55pm

re: #325 astronmr20

What would you like to talk about?

How stuff blows up there a lot?

I agree.

334 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #323 OldLineTexan

Just stay away from Triple Ententes … those are messy.

/

Is that what Torville and Dean did to win the Gold Medal at the pairs Olympic Skating finals?

335 eon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:04:15pm

re: #301 jcm

They measured the irregularity of the earth’s sphere, they expected a perfect sphere, the difference drove one of them crazy because he could find his “error” and the result is the meter is slight longer than the perfection they sought.

They concluded (mistakenly) that the Earth was an oblate spheroid, i.e, slightly flattened at the poles and slightly bulging at the equator. In the 1960s, satellite measurements (GEOS Program) showed that the Earth is, in fact, slightly “pear-shaped”, with variation below the “ideal sphere” at the South Pole and at the mid-northern latitudes (between 35 and 60 North), and “bulging” above the ideal at the North Pole and the mid-southern latitudes (35 to 60, again).

The actual difference from the “ideal”, however, is nowhere more than 25 to 50 feet; not a lot on a “spheroid” nearly 8,000 miles in diameter. Just enough to throw off the original calculations, in other words.

Mathematics can achieve perfection; reality rarely bothers to try.

/Good reality. Smart reality.

cheers

eon

336 pbird  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:04:36pm

re: #288 Dawnoftruth

If a women’s life is in danger, a OB-GYN can perform an emergency c-section. The fetus will be taken early. If the fetus can not survice outside the womb it will be treated medically and will be cared for until it dies. there is no reason that a women has to go to a clinic to have this done. She will receive excellent care in a hospital. The records are private, the doctors will not be stigmitized. It is considered a medical procedure.

Of course.

337 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:04:40pm

Have a great afternoon all!

338 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:05:04pm

re: #323 OldLineTexan

Just stay away from Triple Ententes … those are messy.

/

But sometimes, the combination of different national influences produces good things. For instance, there’s my favorite Japanese-Chinese-Country/Western fusion dish, udon mee rong.

339 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:05:06pm

re: #328 buzzsawmonkey

I thought “Triple Intense” was a new extra-caffeine espresso at Starbuck’s…

I thought “triple entente” was some kind of figureskating move performed after a double lutz. Or was it a double helix?

340 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:05:12pm

re: #332 jorline

Crap, a Pelosi boob thread.

Ease up…I just ate some HoHo’s.

341 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:05:19pm

re: #334 sattv4u2

Is that what Torville and Dean did to win the Gold Medal at the pairs Olympic Skating finals?

Only IN PAKISTAN.

/trying to stay (technically) on-topic. There have been complaints.

342 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:05:35pm

There goes the lightning…

Here comes the thunder…

Dog just came running inside…

Time for a break…to close the windows.

343 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:05:40pm

re: #334 sattv4u2

Ah you’re fast! upding

344 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:05:55pm

re: #325 astronmr20

So can we start another topic about Pakistan? This comment thread went off the tracks at about number 30…

/Just sayin’.

I’d rather talk about baseball.

Youtube Video
345 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:05:56pm

re: #338 Occasional Reader

But sometimes, the combination of different national influences produces good things. For instance, there’s my favorite Japanese-Chinese-Country/Western fusion dish, udon mee rong.

KT makes that with sauce Republicaine …

/

346 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:06:15pm

re: #330 Cato the Elder

Diplomat…

“You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain’t it hard when you discover that
He wasn’t really where it’s at
After he took from you
Everything he could steal?
How does it feel?”


A Dodge Diplomat?

Image: 1977diplomat.jpg

347 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:06:53pm
348 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:06:54pm

re: #343 iceweasel

Ah you’re fast! upding

no ,, just old with a head full of useless trivialities

349 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:06:56pm

re: #340 SasquatchOnSteroids

Ease up…I just ate some HoHo’s.

must… resist… incredibly inappropriate joke…

350 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:07:24pm

re: #305 jorline

Good afternoon all.
Question:
Does Pelosi only own one pantsuit?
Every time I see a picture of her she’s in the same light green outfit with that big ass necklace.

Perchance she got a stain from the botox in her buttocks.

351 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:08:16pm

re: #349 Occasional Reader

must… resist… incredibly inappropriate joke…

Hit it. I’m just the pinsetter.

352 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:08:38pm

re: #308 Catttt

Oh joy. Looks like tornado weather now.

You’re having a thoroughly sucky day.

((((((Catttt))))))

353 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:09:41pm

re: #348 sattv4u2

no ,, just old with a head full of useless trivialities

Alternatively, fast, funny, and also self-deprecating. I’m sticking with my version on this. :)

354 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:09:51pm

re: #351 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hit it. I’m just the pinsetter.

Okay. “I hope you remembered to use the ‘dental dam’.” There, I said it.

355 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:10:20pm

re: #341 OldLineTexan

Only IN PAKISTAN.

/trying to stay (technically) on-topic. There have been complaints.

Our complaint manager is Helen Waite.

To register a complaint, please go to Helen Waite

356 jorline  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:10:36pm

re: #340 SasquatchOnSteroids

Ease up…I just ate some HoHo’s.

Wash down your HoHo’s with a Yoo-hoo.

357 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:10:38pm
358 callahan23  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:11:09pm

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

How cheering for women with “body issues” to know that they are truly in tune with the Earth.

Now I need to get Oreo bits off of my computer screen. Well, thanks.
/

359 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:12:50pm

re: #356 jorline

Wash down your HoHo’s with a Yoo-hoo.


The height of Western Civilization, right there.
You can stop inventing stuff, we did it.

360 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #224 iceweasel

I think part of the confusion is that we generically use the word “abortion” to cover a vast amount of different medical procedures. I’ve long thought that the kind of late-term ‘abortions’ we’re talking about shouldn’t even be called ‘abortion’, especially the ones that involve removing fetuses that are already dead or dying, or so severely damaged that they’ll die upon delivery.

But right now we use a single word to cover all these different cases, even though there’s a vast difference.

Even the most prolife person might turn out to support the medical procedures I’m talking about, but we’re polarised by the use of the word ‘abortion’.

You know, that’s a damned good point. LGF house rules prevent going into it in detail, but I think you’re onto something.

361 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:13:05pm

re: #357 buzzsawmonkey

You don’t use the dental dam if you don’t care a tinker’s damn.

I’ll bet you could make one or two beautiful… heck, even Three [absolutely] Gorges Dam puns.

362 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:13:08pm

re: #240 Alouette

I’m thinking of emergency situations where a late pregnancy has to be terminated. That could be done by emergency c-section or induced delivery.

i heard a young woman speak on the radio several months ago,
(i think it was hannity.)
she was a botched abortion.
literally a baby that survived the saline abortion attempt to terminate her life.
she was born alive and allowed to live. adopted by a family and is a spokesperson against late term abortion and a proponent for the ‘infant born alive protection act.’
her birth mother was a 17 yr. old girl who decided at 8 1/2 months pg. she didn’t want to be a mother. her boyfriend had run off.
her explanation for late term abortions is that most are not necessary. if a woman is at least 8 mos. along, then the baby can be delivered often w/ less complications than an abortion would cause.

this woman was 33 yrs. old, iirc.
i guess then, if a baby survived the abortion,
it didn’t occur to a doctor to let it die once it was born and breathing.
interesting how times change.
and our modern ideas abt. the sanctity of life.

363 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:13:49pm

re: #353 iceweasel

Alternatively, fast, funny, and also self-deprecating. I’m sticking with my version on this. :)

The company I work for stresses multi-tasking.

Actually being productive, not so much!

364 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:14:28pm

Crikey. Now it’s looking like a “tornado sky” right here in Our Nation’s Capital.

365 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #362 nyc redneck

i heard a young woman speak on the radio several months ago,
(i think it was hannity.)

I didn’t know Hannity was a young woman!

366 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:15:23pm

re: #364 Occasional Reader

Crikey. Now it’s looking like a “tornado sky” right here in Our Nation’s Capital.

Same here not that far North of you.

367 jorline  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:15:50pm

re: #359 SasquatchOnSteroids

The height of Western Civilization, right there.
You can stop inventing stuff, we did it.

By the way…have you yahoo’d today?

368 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:15:54pm

re: #364 Occasional Reader

Crikey. Now it’s looking like a “tornado sky” right here in Our Nation’s Capital.

Be safe OR! Hope today will find you well..
/Denzil says hi…Said he’ll call you later..
*wink*

369 Darwin Akbar  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:16:35pm

“If only Israel would stop building settlements, then jihadis in Pakistan would not need to bomb foreigners and other Muslims, because all Muslims around the world will be giddy with love and adoration for Me, Praises by upon Me.”

- Obama

370 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:16:58pm

re: #367 jorline

By the way…have you yahoo’d today?

Later, when wifey goes to work.

/

371 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:17:13pm

re: #365 sattv4u2

i heard a young woman speak on the radio several months ago,
(i think it was hannity.)

I didn’t know Hannity was a young woman!

ha ha ha ha :D
oh shut up.

372 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:17:58pm

re: #366 Flyers1974

Same here not that far North of you.

The handy animated radar map on my iPhone Weather Channel app shows an angry line of big red blobs approaching from the west.

Je ne regrette rien.

373 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:18:06pm

Govenor Sanford and Glenn Beck lie on national television….
Stimulus Money “Jammed down South Carolina’s Throat”

Youtube Video

for those who haven’t been following the story…..
South Carolina: Asking for Stimulus Money, Reluctantly

The State Supreme Court on Thursday ordered him to follow a state budget law and request the money.

Obama did not force him.

374 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:18:40pm

re: #335 eon

They concluded (mistakenly) that the Earth was an oblate spheroid, i.e, slightly flattened at the poles and slightly bulging at the equator. In the 1960s, satellite measurements (GEOS Program) showed that the Earth is, in fact, slightly “pear-shaped”, with variation below the “ideal sphere” at the South Pole and at the mid-northern latitudes (between 35 and 60 North), and “bulging” above the ideal at the North Pole and the mid-southern latitudes (35 to 60, again).

The actual difference from the “ideal”, however, is nowhere more than 25 to 50 feet; not a lot on a “spheroid” nearly 8,000 miles in diameter. Just enough to throw off the original calculations, in other words.

Mathematics can achieve perfection; reality rarely bothers to try.

/Good reality. Smart reality.

cheers

eon

I found it incredible their work was accurate enough to measure that slight variation. But then they had no way to handle the data they got when it didn’t match their expectations.

375 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:19:01pm

re: #372 Occasional Reader

The handy animated radar map on my iPhone Weather Channel app shows an angry line of big red blobs approaching from the west.

Je ne regrette rien.

Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnell, RoseAnne Barr marching side by side again, huh ?

376 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:20:49pm

re: #360 haakondahl

You know, that’s a damned good point. LGF house rules prevent going into it in detail, but I think you’re onto something.

Thank you.
I really think there would be a lot of common ground between the prochoice people and the prolife people on the procedures we’re covering with the blanket word “abortion”— in the case of late term abortion. The use of the word is polarising the debate; everyone automatically assimilates those procedures to elective, early term abortion.

I’m new and don’t mean to break any rules; if there’s some rule about how we discuss this topic I hope people will let me know. Apologies in advance if I’ve already broken one.

377 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:21:04pm

re: #372 Occasional Reader

The handy animated radar map on my iPhone Weather Channel app shows an angry line of big red blobs approaching from the west.

Je ne regrette rien.

Crazy rain and thunder/lightning just north of Baltimore.

378 DEZes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:21:11pm

re: #375 sattv4u2

Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnell, RoseAnne Barr marching side by side again, huh ?

Earthquake.

Afternoon Lizards.

379 jorline  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:22:00pm

Afternoon DEZ

380 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:22:02pm

re: #372 Occasional Reader

The handy animated radar map on my iPhone Weather Channel app shows an angry line of big red blobs approaching from the west.

Je ne regrette rien.

Do you have sirens in the area?

381 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:22:03pm

re: #377 Flyers1974

Crazy rain and thunder/lightning just north of Baltimore.

Very, very frightening.

Galileo! Galileo!

382 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:22:40pm

Speaking of weather … jorline … who ordered summer turned back on?

We’re scheduled for Global Warming tomorrow!

383 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:22:44pm

re: #378 DEZes

Earthquake.

Afternoon Lizards.

Afternoon. I feel the earth move under my feet.

384 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:22:57pm

re: #381 Occasional Reader

Very, very frightening.

Galileo! Galileo!

I’m just a poor boy from a poor family

385 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #380 MandyManners

Do you have sirens in the area?

I’ll say. They tend to hang out in fancy bars in Georgetown, wearing skimpy but tasteful outfits.


/

/No, not tornado sirens, that I know of

386 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:23:21pm

re: #376 iceweasel

I was wondering the same thing regarding the rules comment. And I can’t seem to find a button here for rules.

387 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:23:29pm

re: #378 DEZes

Earthquake.

Afternoon Lizards.

My nightmare growing up in Tennessee was a New Madrid quake during a tornado.

388 DEZes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:23:47pm

re: #379 jorline

Afternoon DEZ

Hiya, I hope today has been good to you.

I should not have typed afternoon though, some LGFers are half a world apart from me.

389 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:24:29pm

re: #380 MandyManners

Do you have sirens in the area?

There’s nothing to worry about until the sky turns green.

390 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:24:52pm

re: #382 OldLineTexan

Speaking of weather … jorline … who ordered summer turned back on?

We’re scheduled for Global Warming tomorrow!

Heh…. you should move north. I understand they’re not going to have summer this year ;~) ….. the jet stream is depressed (poor jet stream….must feel awful)

391 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:24:54pm

THEY’RE HERE.

THE ANGRY BIG RED BLOBS ARE HERE.

WE DRAINED THREE PHASERS, AND STILL THEY CAME.

392 DEZes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:25:03pm

re: #383 KenJen

Afternoon. I feel the earth move under my feet.

Pray they dont fall down. ;)

393 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:25:22pm

re: #385 Occasional Reader

I’ll say. They tend to hang out in fancy bars in Georgetown, wearing skimpy but tasteful outfits.


/

/No, not tornado sirens, that I know of

Well, that sucks.

394 callahan23  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:26:17pm

re: #381 Occasional Reader

thunderbolt and lightning

Very, very frightening me.

Galileo! Galileo!

Yaihee, Queen.

Youtube Video

Good afternoon DEZ
395 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:26:26pm

re: #389 Sharmuta

There’s nothing to worry about until the sky turns green.

I watch too much Weather TV. Those tornado shows scare the snot out of me.

396 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:26:54pm

re: #391 Occasional Reader

THEY’RE HERE.

THE ANGRY BIG RED BLOBS ARE HERE.

WE DRAINED THREE PHASERS, AND STILL THEY CAME.

Time to head to the transporter room.

397 DEZes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:27:01pm

re: #394 callahan23

{Callahan}

398 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:27:09pm

re: #393 MandyManners

Well, that sucks.

Gives me idea…How to reform DC?
Move it to Kansas….
/courage

399 vxbush  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:27:13pm

re: #395 MandyManners

I watch too much Weather TV. Those tornado shows scare the snot out of me.

I’ve seen green clouds. Did they ever say why they turn green?

400 tradewind  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:27:23pm

re: #326 KenJen
Arghghghgh. Brain bleach. Stat.

401 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:27:24pm

re: #391 Occasional Reader

THEY’RE HERE.

THE ANGRY BIG RED BLOBS ARE HERE.

WE DRAINED THREE PHASERS, AND STILL THEY CAME.

(no wonder those guys in the red shirts on the away team never come back! )

402 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:27:29pm

Naturally, I want to be a complete idiot and go outside to watch!

Back in a minute. Hopefully.

403 DEZes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:27:33pm

re: #396 MandyManners

Time to head to the transporter room.

We need all the power you can muster mister.

404 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:27:53pm

re: #398 HoosierHoops

Gives me idea…How to reform DC?
Move it to Kansas….
/courage

Washington’s Monument would really stand out on these flat plains.

405 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:28:29pm

re: #399 vxbush

I’ve seen green clouds. Did they ever say why they turn green?

Debris, usually dirt.

406 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #402 Occasional Reader

Naturally, I want to be a complete idiot and go outside to watch!

Back in a minute. Hopefully.

Look, Ma! No hands!

407 eon  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:29:17pm

Well, I have to check out.

Have a great evening, Lizards.

cheers

eon

408 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:29:30pm

re: #403 DEZes

We need all the power you can muster mister.

His arms wide.

409 callahan23  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:29:31pm

re: #396 MandyManners

Time to head to the transporter room.

Oh where’s the redshirt?
He’s dead Jim, he’s dead.

410 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:29:43pm

re: #404 MandyManners

Washington’s Monument would really stand out on these flat plains.

Just build refineries all around it like we did (3rd pic down).

411 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:29:49pm

re: #407 eon

Well, I have to check out.

Have a great evening, Lizards.

cheers

eon

Have a nice night!

412 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:30:11pm

re: #386 Flyers1974

I was wondering the same thing regarding the rules comment. And I can’t seem to find a button here for rules.

There’s a list of official rules that you read when you sign up, but they’re all the normal sort of rules one would expect. Plus there’s the official warning at the top of every comment thread about rules and regulations.

413 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:30:19pm

re: #406 MandyManners

Look, Ma! No hands!

Here hold my beer while I go out and check the weather…
/ I hear that train a coming..Coming down the tracks

414 legalpad  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:30:34pm

re: #175 MandyManners

No weekend in Mogadishu?

I would, but no one with go with me. It would be so boring.

415 DEZes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:30:40pm

re: #409 callahan23

Oh where’s the redshirt?
He’s dead Jim, he’s dead.

He’s worse than dead.

416 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:30:43pm

Missouri is getting the shit kicked out of it now.

417 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:30:52pm

re: #400 tradewind

Arghghghgh. Brain bleach. Stat.

So I take it you didn’t give her those beads?

418 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:31:22pm

re: #409 callahan23

Oh where’s the redshirt?
He’s dead Jim, he’s dead.

So is Generalisimo Franco.

419 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:31:27pm

re: #416 MandyManners

Missouri is getting the shit kicked out of it now.

They say it’s on the way here in a couple of Hours

420 DEZes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:32:07pm

re: #419 HoosierHoops

They say it’s on the way here in a couple of Hours

Hoosierville is gonna get hammered?

421 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:32:08pm

re: #380 MandyManners

Do you have sirens in the area?

Ignore the sirens, they are luring you to destruction!

422 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:32:29pm

re: #410 OldLineTexan

Just build refineries all around it like we did (3rd pic down).

Does it smell?

423 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:32:57pm

re: #413 HoosierHoops

Here hold my beer while I go out and check the weather…
/ I hear that train a coming..Coming down the tracks

What’s this red wire do?

424 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:33:21pm

re: #414 legalpad

I would, but no one with go with me. It would be so boring.

Boring? All that gunfire?

425 Dianna  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:33:47pm

re: #423 MandyManners

What’s this red wire do?

“Here, honey; hold my drink. Hey, y’all, watch this!”

426 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:33:50pm

re: #412 iceweasel

Yes, I see but nothing specific such as what the poster was referring to regarding abortion. Unless that would only appear on a thread dealing with abortion?

427 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:33:51pm

re: #419 HoosierHoops

They say it’s on the way here in a couple of Hours

Get ready!

428 ssn697  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:34:06pm

re: #265 Mad Al-Jaffee

Haven’t any of you seen Pulp Fiction?!

Dude, it is one of my favorite movies. Just having fun with the meme…

429 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:34:26pm

re: #421 jcm

Ignore the sirens, they are luring you to destruction!

I really hate that sound.

430 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:34:54pm

Rain, lightning mostly gone at least for now.

431 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:35:50pm

re: #425 Dianna

“Here, honey; hold my drink. Hey, y’all, watch this!”

‘Nother beer won’t hurt.

432 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:35:52pm

re: #426 Flyers1974

Yes, I see but nothing specific such as what the poster was referring to regarding abortion. Unless that would only appear on a thread dealing with abortion?

I don’t know what he was referring to either. I’m guessing by “house rule” there may be some unofficial rule that isn’t stated but that we’re expected to know, and I’d like to know what it is too.

433 legalpad  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:37:57pm

re: #424 MandyManners

Boring? All that gunfire?

Ok, Bonnie, bring your guns and I’ll pick you up at eight -

434 KenJen  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:37:59pm

re: #431 MandyManners

‘Nother beer won’t hurt.

Damn. Out of beer. Honey, I’m gonna drive the lawn mower to the liquor store.

435 jcm  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:39:01pm

re: #431 MandyManners

‘Nother beer won’t hurt.

Out on the coast they have Tsunami sirens. Earthquakes don’t give any warning which is our big hazard.

436 DEZes  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:40:36pm

Open thread awaits. ;)

437 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:40:49pm

Auntie Em, I had the strangest dream… and you were there, and you were there, and you…

438 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:41:30pm

re: #426 Flyers1974

Yes, I see but nothing specific such as what the poster was referring to regarding abortion. Unless that would only appear on a thread dealing with abortion?

There was an unwritten rule that abortion was not to be discussed because it always ended up in a shrieking match. However, evidence says that rule has been tossed out. So have most of the shriekers, which helps a lot.

439 flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:43:12pm

re: #438 wrenchwench

Thanks.

440 Catttt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:44:04pm

re: #319 KenJen

Where are you? It’s looking a little funny here in Louisville?

Baltimore.

441 flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:44:32pm

re: #437 Occasional Reader

Someone told me that movie or play or whatever it was originally was about the gold v. silver standard controversy. Ever heard of that?

442 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:44:39pm

re: #438 wrenchwench

There was an unwritten rule that abortion was not to be discussed because it always ended up in a shrieking match. However, evidence says that rule has been tossed out. So have most of the shriekers, which helps a lot.

Oh that makes more sense— thank you!
I didn’t realise there was ever any such rule, going by all the Tiller threads.

443 jorline  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:45:15pm

re: #382 OldLineTexan

Speaking of weather … jorline … who ordered summer turned back on?

We’re scheduled for Global Warming tomorrow!

Sorry for the delay OLT…I don’t care if I live by the beach…it’s hot!

I would settle for a Texas Tinkle to cool things down…know-what-i-mean.

444 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:45:54pm

re: #376 iceweasel

Thank you.
I’m new and don’t mean to break any rules; if there’s some rule about how we discuss this topic I hope people will let me know. Apologies in advance if I’ve already broken one.

The rule is that we don’t discuss it here, because it inevitably blows up, but perhaps with recent events being what they are, Charles will carve out a sandbox for it. Just the same, I think that you’re well within the spirit of the law, as evidenced by your lack of bomb-tossing, and the fact that you haven’t been tapped on the shoulder by a big scaly claw.

445 flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:46:17pm

re: #440 Catttt

Me as well.

446 iceweasel  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:47:03pm

re: #444 haakondahl

Thanks again.

447 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:47:12pm

re: #422 MandyManners

Does it smell?

It’s going to sound flip, but it depends on which way the wind is blowing. Usually it’s not smelly … but the refineries are MUCH less smelly than when I was a kid, anyway.

448 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:47:51pm

re: #442 iceweasel

re: #444 haakondahl

I think the rule was officially tossed during the presidential campaign last Fall.

449 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:48:10pm

re: #389 Sharmuta

There’s nothing to worry about until the sky turns green.

This, from a woman with blue skin.

450 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:49:20pm

re: #448 wrenchwench

re: #444 haakondahl

I think the rule was officially tossed during the presidential campaign last Fall.

Interesting. I was, er, away.

As you were!

451 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:55:23pm

re: #450 haakondahl

Interesting. I was, er, away.

As you were!

No I wasn’t, you were!

/

(Nice to have you back.)

452 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 2:56:51pm

re: #430 Flyers1974

Rain, lightning mostly gone at least for now.

The phaser counter-attact did the trick.

453 haakondahl  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 3:01:35pm

re: #451 wrenchwench

No I wasn’t, you were!

/

(Nice to have you back.)

Touchè!

454 Salamantis  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 3:19:20pm

re: #438 wrenchwench

There was an unwritten rule that abortion was not to be discussed because it always ended up in a shrieking match. However, evidence says that rule has been tossed out. So have most of the shriekers, which helps a lot.

I think that has to do with the fact that most of the really egregious antiabortion shriekers were also Biblical Literalist creationists, who got the boot for being anuses in THAT particular discussion.

455 mrclark  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 4:19:20pm

I wonder when this President is going to take fundimentalist Islam seriously..

this is the answer they give to his speech…

456 Flyers1974  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 4:59:05pm

re: #455 mrclark

I wonder when this President is going to take fundimentalist Islam seriously..

this is the answer they give to his speech…

I don’t think this was an answer to any speech.

457 tobariv  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 7:29:18pm

This of course happened because there is a state of Israel and people live in “settlements”.


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