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1 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:33:43pm

Sad situation. Too bad he just didn't stay home today. Prayers for the guard's family.

2 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:34:00pm

My condolances to the guard's family and heartfelt congratulations for preventing even more lives being lost today.

3 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:35:03pm

re: #2 Fenway_Nation

The security guard is a hero. May he rest in peace.

4 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:36:21pm

re: #1 coquimbojoe

Too bad the crazed gunman didn't stay home today, or forever..

5 Baier  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:36:31pm

Horrible news. Let's get a link up if there is a fund opened for his family.

6 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:38:00pm

Somebody mentioned this downthread, but I hope he's considered for Righteous Among Nations.

7 Rednek  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:38:24pm

Maybe the feds were on to something when they warned about right wing extremism.

8 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:38:56pm

NYT reports that AG Holder and some members of Congress were scheduled to attend the opening of a play at the museum tonight.

On Wednesday evening, members of Congress and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. are to visit the Holocaust Museum for the debut of the plan “Anne and Emmett” by Janet Langhard Cohen. The play is a fictional dialogue between Anne Frank, whose diary recounted her days in hiding during the Holocaust, and Emmett Till, the black teen-ager killed by white racists in 1955.

No word on whether the shootings and the visit were connected.

9 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:39:02pm

I'm reading Jewish honorifics for the dead on Wikipedia. Last time I did that was when Grandma (a''h) passed on.

I would classify this brave soul as a martyr... זכר קדוש לברכה and השם ינקום דמו

10 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:39:31pm

Ralph Peters on FOX-he is great

11 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:40:17pm

This is terrible.

I'm just thankful that the gunman (may his name vanish) wasn't better prepared and better equipped.

12 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:40:18pm

Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn's ex-wife says his racism 'ate him alive'

The ex-wife of the racist who stormed the U.S. Holocaust Museum described him as an abusive alcoholic whose hatred against Jews and blacks "ate him alive like a cancer."

"It's all he would talk about," the ex-wife said of James von Brunn, 89, who was wounded in a firefight with museum guards.

"When I questioned him, he would get very angry and abusive."

13 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:40:33pm

re: #7 Rednek

Crazy is just crazy. Right wing or left wing.

14 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:41:25pm

Prayers for the guard's family

/I'm not quite capable of saying a prayer for von Brunn, but I should

15 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:41:25pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hatred will do that to you.

16 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:41:59pm
17 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:42:01pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn's ex-wife says his racism 'ate him alive'

Hate does that to a soul.

Prayers for the guards family and the wounded.

18 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:42:48pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wow....who'd ever suspect that a lonely, bitter old man who spent every waking moment hating Jews and blacks would turn out to be an abusive homicidal alcoholic?

19 transient  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:43:05pm

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet.

Everyone is reporting that von Brunn was born in 1920 and it is therefore assumed he is 89 years old, but no one has actually released his birthdate. Depending on the month of his birth, he might still be 88. Since this is apparently a significant number for him, perhaps he decided to go out in blaze of HH.

I tried googling for his name and "born" and only got an artist link which says (on the search page) that his birthdate is 7/11/20 in St. Louis MO, and that he has a studio in the state of Maryland (convenient to DC, eh?) If this is the same guy (how many James W. von Brunn's are there?) this would support my hypothesis.

20 J.S.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:43:23pm

How horrific...my deepest condolences to the security guard's family and relatives.

21 McJenny50  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:43:33pm

Would it be in bad taste to say that the wrong shooting victim died?

22 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:44:07pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn's ex-wife says his racism 'ate him alive'

If he hadn't been such a hater maybe he would have still been married, and not be dying alone of bullet wounds while everyone curses his name.

Please guys, help me not end up like him.

23 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:44:16pm

re: #21 McJenny50

For some, no. For me, yes.

24 Baier  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #7 Rednek

Maybe the feds were on to something when they warned about right wing extremism.

How do you define a right wing terrorist vs a left wing terrorist? Anyone know how it is decided? I don't associate these people with any wing.

25 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:44:37pm

re: #21 McJenny50

Would it be in bad taste to say that the wrong shooting victim died?

I won't lose any sleep....except even at the ripe old age of 88, I could hardly refer to von Brunn as a 'victim'.

26 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:44:38pm

re: #21 McJenny50

Would it be in bad taste to say that the wrong shooting victim died?

Yes. The racist responsible was not a victim.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:44:48pm

re: #21 McJenny50

Would it be in bad taste to say that the wrong shooting victim died?

I don't think so. Of course, I'm not without hope that the shooter may not survive.

28 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:44:50pm

I wonder how long before they double down and attack in a group....this is some very disturbing news

29 JustABill  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:45:51pm

re: #21 McJenny50

Would it be in bad taste to say that the wrong shooting victim died?

If your describing von Brunn as a victim, then yes.

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:46:04pm

Where do people find all the time to hate? So, so sad.

31 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:46:19pm

Very sorry to hear about the guard, my thoughts are with his family and his friends.

32 VioletTiger  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:46:47pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn's ex-wife says his racism 'ate him alive'


Hate always eats you alive. Very sad.

33 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:46:57pm

From the link in #12

"He used to make the statement that he was going out with his boots on," she said. "I took it to mean that he wasn't just about to lay down and die of old age. That he was going to go out and try to take some people with him."

34 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:47:01pm
35 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:47:12pm

re: #6 Fenway_Nation

Somebody mentioned this downthread, but I hope he's considered for Righteous Among Nations.

That was me. I don't know what the standards are for that honor, but at least in the immediate sense, this guard seems to qualify, in my opinion.

36 Baier  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:47:17pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think so. Of course, I'm not without hope that the shooter may not survive.

I hope he lives. It would be humiliating for him to be dragged through he justice system, then die in jail. I hope his court appointed lawyer is an ethic minority or Jewish.

37 marinevet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:47:21pm

ONCE AGAIN! Main Stream Media is all up in arms against this "white supremacist" what about PVT Long? Headline news when its some "racist" but if its a Muslim? Ahh no nope sorry "not news".

38 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:47:34pm
"... where the gunman ended up ..."

Somewhere in the Book of John it says that I shouldn't voice my opinion about that.

39 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:47:39pm
40 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:47:39pm

re: #24 Baier

How do you define a right wing terrorist vs a left wing terrorist? Anyone know how it is decided? I don't associate these people with any wing.

Motive, associations. In the end, it still kills or injures innocents, damages property, and destroys lives.

41 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:47:41pm

"von brunn" as a search term is driving an internet feeding frenzy, there are robo-splogger sites already turned up reprinting anything they can find with that name on the internet.

42 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:48:04pm

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

He sounds like a sparkling dinner companion.

Actually, people like that can be lots of fun if you push their buttons appropriately.

(Just don't let them get near the gun cabinet).

43 Catttt  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:48:24pm

re: #24 Baier

How do you define a right wing terrorist vs a left wing terrorist? Anyone know how it is decided? I don't associate these people with any wing.

One thing I notice is that they mostly all seem to hate a lot. I think extremist and hater go together irrespective of what the purported views are.

44 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:48:32pm

re: #28 albusteve

I wonder how long before they double down and attack in a group....this is some very disturbing news

Probably because 1/3 of the nut cakes are informers and another 1/3 are actually Fed Agents themselves, that doesn't happen happily. That is why it is usually loners that succeed.

45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:48:46pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Well, then I won't.

46 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:48:47pm

bbl

47 Johnnyreb  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:49:15pm

re: #28 albusteve

I wonder how long before they double down and attack in a group....this is some very disturbing news

They? Who the heck is they?

48 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:49:25pm

I'm still taken aback by the whole "long gun" business. I keep blanking out on how he got it there.

49 MarineVet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:49:34pm

My heart goes out to the family and friends of this heroic security guard! It is a real tragedy that the "old man" just didn't shoot himself in the head but rather came in to have a death by "cop" suicide!

50 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:49:42pm

Sort of OT: I first heard about the Righteous Among Nations honor when I was reading a wiki entry about Imperial Japan's Ambassador to Lithuania during WWII; Chiune Sugihara.

51 LatinGent  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:49:52pm

re: #40 Honorary Yooper

They are just terrorists. They kill unarmed innocents because they dont have the sand to confront an armed enemy.

52 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:49:52pm

re: #21 McJenny50

Would it be in bad taste to say that the wrong shooting victim died?

I don't know, but the other one might still die yet.

53 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:50:10pm

re: #47 Johnnyreb

They? Who the heck is they?

malignant haters

54 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:50:51pm

re: #48 Dianna

I'm still taken aback by the whole "long gun" business. I keep blanking out on how he got it there.

I'm guessing he simply... drove up, parked, took out the gun, and walked in. There's nothing in particular that would have stopped him from doing this.

55 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:50:53pm

re: #44 Nevergiveup

Probably because 1/3 of the nut cakes are informers and another 1/3 are actually Fed Agents themselves, that doesn't happen happily. That is why it is usually loners that succeed.

Its like the basic rule for all internet chats. There are no women on the internet and the kids are all Police.

56 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:51:01pm
The ex-wife of the racist who stormed the U.S. Holocaust Museum described him as an abusive alcoholic whose hatred against Jews and blacks "ate him alive like a cancer."

"It's all he would talk about," the ex-wife said of James von Brunn, 89, who was wounded in a firefight with museum guards.

"When I questioned him, he would get very angry and abusive."

Compare this hate with the reaction of the Amish when a mass murderer killed several of their children in the Lancaster area. They immediately forgave him. Their lives are much better when they don't hold hate.

57 Catttt  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:51:24pm

re: #48 Dianna

I'm still taken aback by the whole "long gun" business. I keep blanking out on how he got it there.

He double-parked his screaming red Toyota directly outside the front doors of the museum - he then started shooting in the doorway, and he apparently fell outside, according to witnesses. Therefore, it would seem it was just a few seconds from car to shooting to his being shot down by the other guards.

58 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:51:31pm

re: #47 Johnnyreb

They? Who the heck is they?

Tremor Brothers?

59 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:51:50pm

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

If transient, at 19 above, is correct--that von Brunn hoped to go out in a blaze of "88" glory--then there would be a certain poetry to his lingering at least until he hit the age of 89 and that was no longer possible. It would be the white-supremacist equivalent to a jihadist losing out on his 72 raisins.

The quote about him wanting to "die with his boots on" and "take others with him" does support the idea that he was suicidal.

Think about it.

He could have tried to shoot up a synagogue, but instead he took a shot at an armed security guard.

60 jill e  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:52:28pm

Museum will be closed tomorrow with flags at half mast in honor of the slain security guard.

61 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:52:33pm

re: #56 Dave the.....

Compare this hate with the reaction of the Amish when a mass murderer killed several of their children in the Lancaster area. They immediately forgave him. Their lives are much better when they don't hold hate.

Well they are better than me. I hate.

62 AMER1CAN  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:52:33pm

Killed in the line of duty at ...................... the Holocaust Museum?

What the hell is wrong with this world we live in I often wonder.

Thoughts and prayers to the victims family.

63 Johnnyreb  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:52:44pm

re: #53 albusteve

malignant haters

Oh OK, I thought I missed something and he was part of some racist religious hate group that was going to make a huge coordinated attack somewhere.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:52:57pm

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

Sort of OT: I first heard about the Righteous Among Nations honor when I was reading a wiki entry about Imperial Japan's Ambassador to Lithuania during WWII; Chiune Sugihara.

Sugihara was quite an amazing character.

65 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:52:58pm
66 MarineVet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:53:06pm

This old man and the mass murderer of children should be treated like the cockroaches they are. Squashed and cleaned up with a paper towel. No hate here and no pity for his kind. In fact, no thought what so ever!


re: #56 Dave the.....

67 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:53:07pm

re: #48 Dianna

I'm still taken aback by the whole "long gun" business. I keep blanking out on how he got it there.

Threw it in his trunk, the back seat of his car, or (heck) on the gun rack in his pickup truck.

Then took it out, perhaps covered with something to conceal it, perhaps not, took it into the museum entrance, and started shooting.

68 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:53:41pm

re: #56 Dave the.....

Compare this hate with the reaction of the Amish when a mass murderer killed several of their children in the Lancaster area. They immediately forgave him. Their lives are much better when they don't hold hate.

I don't have it in me to forgive such atrocity. I guess that's why I could never be Amish....

/plus I suck at barn-building.

69 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:53:44pm

re: #57 Catttt

He double-parked his screaming red Toyota

Hopefully, they'll add that to sentence.

70 jill e  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:53:48pm

re: #57 Catttt

He double-parked his screaming red Toyota directly outside the front doors of the museum - he then started shooting in the doorway, and he apparently fell outside, according to witnesses. Therefore, it would seem it was just a few seconds from car to shooting to his being shot down by the other guards.

Impossible to stop this sort of attack.

71 Gus  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:53:53pm

The guard's name was Stephen Tyrone Johns.

72 transient  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:54:17pm

I tried the artist search link and got only the search page for the site. Found his name via browsing (von Brunn); link inactive. Says only: (1920- ) Maryland.

Wonder when the linky was removed....

73 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:54:29pm

re: #24 Baier

How do you define a right wing terrorist vs a left wing terrorist? Anyone know how it is decided? I don't associate these people with any wing.

I'd say left-wingers tend to be motivated by economic differences (class, capitalism), and right-wingers by a broad spectrum of identity differences (race, religion).

74 JHW  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:54:34pm

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

Sort of OT: I first heard about the Righteous Among Nations honor when I was reading a wiki entry about Imperial Japan's Ambassador to Lithuania during WWII; Chiune Sugihara.

The Righteous Among Nations at Yad Vashem, some very inspiring accounts there.

75 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:54:47pm

re: #71 Gus 802

The guard's name was Stephen Tyrone Johns.


[Video]

Was he a Vet? just curious.

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:55:42pm

re: #70 jill e

Impossible to stop this sort of attack.

or, frankly, prepare for it.

77 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:55:56pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn's ex-wife says his racism 'ate him alive'

Comments there identify the security guard as Stephen Tyrone Johns, but I haven't heard the name released officially.

78 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:56:19pm

re: #70 jill e

Impossible to stop this sort of attack.

Well, it WAS stopped, actually.

The shooter himself was disabled fairly quickly, and he didn't get a chance to hurt any third parties.

Can you imagine what might have happened if the security guards weren't armed themselves?

I think what you mean to say is that its impossible to PREVENT an attack like this, and you're right.

If an armed suicidal person wants to kill a random person, then you're not going to be able to prevent them.

79 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:56:30pm

re: #69 Occasional Reader

Hopefully, they'll add that to sentence.

It would be nice if the SPLC article I'm reading could find another epithet than "raging" to attach to "anti-semite." Frothing? Raving? Spittle-flecked?

80 Gus  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:56:53pm

re: #75 Nevergiveup

Was he a Vet? just curious.

Don't know. I'll look for more information.

81 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:56:55pm

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

or, frankly, prepare for it.

Well we were prepared. That is why there is an Armed Guard there.

82 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:57:00pm

re: #71 Gus 802

The guard's name was Stephen Tyrone Johns.

May he rest in peace.

83 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:57:00pm

Kingk

I'd say left-wingers tend to be motivated by economic differences (class, capitalism), and right-wingers by a broad spectrum of identity differences (race, religion).

Good definition. I was trying to put my finger on it after the question above.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:57:02pm

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

I don't have it in me to forgive such atrocity. I guess that's why I could never be Amish....

/plus I suck at barn-building.

"To the buggy-mobile!"

I admire the dedication to peace and forgiveness in Anabaptist theology, but I wasn't raised that way. A pacifist I don't think I'll ever be, a forgiving one even less.

85 MarineVet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:57:19pm

I understand the symbolism of the white supremacists groups and numbers and such but truly why do we even care if his 88/HH even exists? This guy is a thug that took down a heroic man!

re: #72 transient

86 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:57:47pm

re: #79 Dianna

It would be nice if the SPLC article I'm reading could find another epithet than "raging" to attach to "anti-semite." Frothing? Raving? Spittle-flecked?

Can't think of one that doesn't involve an expletive...

87 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:57:54pm
88 McJenny50  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:58:01pm

re: #29 JustABill

If your describing von Brunn as a victim, then yes.

A victim only in that he didn't ASK to be shot.

89 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:58:27pm

re: #86 Zimriel

Can't think of one that doesn't involve an expletive...

I offered three!

90 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:58:34pm

re: #48 Dianna

I'm still taken aback by the whole "long gun" business. I keep blanking out on how he got it there.

I read somewhere else that he didn't make it past the security check point. He probably had it under a long coat and thought he could blast his way through security.

91 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:58:37pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

A pacifist I don't think I'll ever be,

Nor I. But I don't consider pacifism to be a morally defensible position, so I don't lose any sleep over it.

92 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:59:02pm

re: #89 Dianna

I offered three!

But you're better than me, I've already admitted that. :^)

93 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:59:15pm

re: #90 Wendya

I read somewhere else that he didn't make it past the security check point. He probably had it under a long coat and thought he could blast his way through security.

I shudder to think what he planned to do once inside.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:59:27pm

re: #73 KingKenrod

I'd say left-wingers tend to be motivated by economic differences (class, capitalism), and right-wingers by a broad spectrum of identity differences (race, religion).

That's an interesting base to start from, but I think the 'left' has a racial focus as well, although that's largely not where the violence emerges from with left-wing crazies.

95 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:59:28pm

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah....looks like he was defying orders from Tokyo in issuing all those visas.

Just as odd was John Rabe; the Nazi party member who sheltered Chinese civilians from Imperial Japanase troops during the rape of Nanking.

96 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:59:30pm

How's the book?

97 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 1:59:43pm

re: #88 McJenny50

A victim only in that he didn't ASK to be shot.


Well, in fact he probably DID want to be shot.

Why else would he take a shot at armed security guards?

Again, if he just wanted to kill Jews, he could have gone to a synagogue, instead of a Federal museum.

98 J.S.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:00:11pm

re: #90 Wendya

CNN is reporting that the perp made absolutely no attempt to conceal the rifle...Just illegally parked the car, walked up carrying the rile, went into the entrance and started shooting...

99 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:00:14pm

re: #28 albusteve

I wonder how long before they double down and attack in a group....this is some very disturbing news

That is a truly frightening thought.

Just got off the phone with my daughter, an employee of the District Attorney's office. She was doing presentations at a Jewish Center in the L.A. area all morning. She said that the security there was unbelievable when she arrived. They searched her and even scanned her county ID card. They refused to allow admittance to a Postal Inspector because she carries a gun. No wonder, after what happened today.

100 transient  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:00:18pm

re: #88 McJenny50

A victim only in that he didn't ASK to be shot.

When you open fire in a public building with intent to commit murder, you are asking to be shot.

101 Gus  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:00:48pm

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

May he rest in peace; may his family find peace.

And may people like the Reverend Wright have the grace to not start spouting off about "black men sacrificing their lives for Jews," or some such nonsense.

I know. One of the first things that crossed my mind upon seeing of this shooting was Reverend Wright's comments.

102 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:00:57pm

re: #73 KingKenrod

I'd say left-wingers tend to be motivated by economic differences (class, capitalism), and right-wingers by a broad spectrum of identity differences (race, religion).

A general rule, before the motives have been identified, is that the terrorist is at the opposite end of the political spectrum from the observer./

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:01:00pm

re: #79 Dianna

It would be nice if the SPLC article I'm reading could find another epithet than "raging" to attach to "anti-semite." Frothing? Raving? Spittle-flecked?

'Virulent' is a personal favorite.

104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:01:00pm

re: #81 Nevergiveup

I meant the onset of an attack... The stuff just happens...

105 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:01:17pm

Glenn Beck's on. Time to turn off Fox News. I can guarantee he's going to say something utterly stupid and cringe-worthy.

106 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:01:49pm

re: #73 KingKenrod

I'd say left-wingers tend to be motivated by economic differences (class, capitalism), and right-wingers by a broad spectrum of identity differences (race, religion).

hhmm, the left has extremists that identify with race & religion, also... just from another starting point.

107 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:01:54pm

re: #100 transient

When you open fire in a public building with intent to commit murder, you are asking to be shot.

In this vermin's case, I'd have been happy to oblige. [dark thoughts]

108 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:02:09pm

re: #105 doppelganglander

Glenn Beck's on. Time to turn off Fox News. I can guarantee he's going to say something utterly stupid and cringe-worthy.

I was just thinking the exact same thing

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:02:11pm

I'm really late to this story. What kind of gun was he carrying? What's a "long gun"?

110 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:02:36pm

re: #99 Pvt Bin Jammin

That is a truly frightening thought.

Just got off the phone with my daughter, an employee of the District Attorney's office. She was doing presentations at a Jewish Center in the L.A. area all morning. She said that the security there was unbelievable when she arrived. They searched her and even scanned her county ID card. They refused to allow admittance to a Postal Inspector because she carries a gun. No wonder, after what happened today.

A Postal Inspector is a LEO. An armed guard saved unknown lives today. The gun is not the problem; it is the person wielding it that determines moral or immoral actions.

111 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:02:52pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm really late to this story. What kind of gun was he carrying? What's a "long gun"?

A rifle or some kind of shot gun

112 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:02:58pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm really late to this story. What kind of gun was he carrying? What's a "long gun"?

A rifle. Haven't mentioned what kind yet, but NOT a shotgun

113 McJenny50  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:02:58pm

re: #88 McJenny50

After reading more comments, I may have to amend this....

114 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:03:00pm

re: #96 Zimriel

How's the book?

Seeking an agent.

I've rather given up on waiting for comments.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:03:07pm

re: #95 Fenway_Nation

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah....looks like he was defying orders from Tokyo in issuing all those visas.

Just as odd was John Rabe; the Nazi party member who sheltered Chinese civilians from Imperial Japanase troops during the rape of Nanking.

I've never heard of him. How perfectly weird.

Sugihara basically went rogue, and in fact, his career suffered badly over it. Tokyo was not happy.

116 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm really late to this story. What kind of gun was he carrying? What's a "long gun"?

long gun = rifle or shotgun as opposed to a handgun.

117 Catttt  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:03:27pm

Rest in peace, Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns.

118 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm really late to this story. What kind of gun was he carrying? What's a "long gun"?

A rifle or a shot gun.
May the guard rest in peace and his family find comfort.

Hello Lizards.

119 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:04:18pm

re: #106 slokat

hhmm, the left has extremists that identify with race & religion, also... just from another starting point.

One hates bankers since they are Jews, the other hates Jews since they are bankers. Crazy logic comes full circle.

120 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:04:28pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

A rifle. Haven't mentioned what kind yet, but NOT a shotgun

One report I saw said a shotgun.
I'm sure this detail will emerge shortly.

121 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:04:32pm

re: #93 Occasional Reader

I shudder to think what he planned to do once inside.

It doesn't seem like there was a whole lot of planning involved in this.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:04:40pm

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm really late to this story. What kind of gun was he carrying? What's a "long gun"?

Rifle, shotgun, something with a long barrel. Not a handgun. I suspect they don't know the exact weapon yet, so they're being general.

123 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:04:46pm

re: #118 DEZes

A rifle or a shot gun.
May the guard rest in peace and his family find comfort.

Hello Lizards.

Hello latex ( that's my new nickname for ya- funny joke you told )

124 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:05:00pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

Rabe made the mistake of being naiive enough to think that his superiors in Germany would be bothered by Japan's conduct in Nanking......

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:05:18pm

re: #110 OldLineTexan

A Postal Inspector is a LEO. An armed guard saved unknown lives today. The gun is not the problem; it is the person wielding it that determines moral or immoral actions.

I'm sure they know that, they were probably just panicking.

126 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:05:25pm

re: #110 OldLineTexan

A Postal Inspector is a LEO. An armed guard saved unknown lives today. The gun is not the problem; it is the person wielding it that determines moral or immoral actions.

Agreed. It's a shame they wouldn't let her in. The seminar was all about not becoming a victim of crime.

127 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:05:55pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

Hello latex ( that's my new nickname for ya- funny joke you told )

Well, I have been called worse. ;)
And thanks.

128 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:06:34pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure they know that, they were probably just panicking.

Probably.

129 Catttt  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:06:37pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One hates bankers since they are Jews, the other hates Jews since they are bankers. Crazy logic comes full circle.

One thing you can bet your bippy on - when push comes to shove, the Jews are blamed by tons of extremists of every ilk. It really sucks, but it happens over and over.

130 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #107 Occasional Reader

In this vermin's case, I'd have been happy to oblige [shooting the perp]. [dark thoughts]

You wouldn't have been able to, since you wouldn't have been able to have a gun with you on museum grounds.

One shudders to think what might have happened here had there been no armed guards, or (worse) had this geriatric murderer been a better combatant, and managed to kill the second guard.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:06:55pm

I guess a "duh" is in order. Makes sense that a long gun is not a handgun.

132 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:06:57pm

re: #126 Pvt Bin Jammin

Agreed. It's a shame they wouldn't let her in. The seminar was all about not becoming a victim of crime.

how ironic...still they need to think twice

133 Catttt  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:07:16pm

The police chief said it was a rifle. We shall know for sure soon.

134 looking closely  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:07:35pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

Rifle, shotgun, something with a long barrel. Not a handgun. I suspect they don't know the exact weapon yet, so they're being general.

Considering it was probably lying there at the scene, I'm pretty sure "they" know what it is, just that that particular detail hasn't been made public yet.

135 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:07:40pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One hates bankers since they are Jews, the other hates Jews since they are bankers. Crazy logic comes full circle.

And some hate Jews because they are Doctors? Now Dentists I can understand.
/

136 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:08:00pm

re: #114 Dianna

Seeking an agent.

I've rather given up on waiting for comments.

I'm maybe 2/3 of the way through it; I just don't have time to read it faster.
Do you want my comments so far?

137 J.S.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:08:05pm

re: #120 looking closely

In 1983 the perp carried a sawed-off shutgun in a bag...in a kidnapping attempt.

138 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:08:33pm

re: #134 looking closely

Considering it was probably lying there at the scene, I'm pretty sure "they" know what it is, just that that particular detail hasn't been made public yet.

they need to decide what to call the damned thing...long gun is just so last century

139 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:09:08pm

re: #120 looking closely

One report I saw said a shotgun.
I'm sure this detail will emerge shortly.

Police interviewed was asked directly. She stated it was not

140 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:09:19pm

I was through the museum the summer it opened. Very crowded so everyone walked through single file. Half way through, I picked up that the lady ahead of me seemed to have first hand experience of the events. As we walked through the boxcar, she commented on how crowded it was when she rode in one. Then towards the end there is a very large photo on a wall, showing the tattoos the people were given at the camps. She rolled up her sleeve and held her arm up in front of the photo. The tatoo was identical (in font, location, number of digits) to the ones in the photo.

141 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:09:20pm

re: #136 Kosh's Shadow

I'm maybe 2/3 of the way through it; I just don't have time to read it faster.
Do you want my comments so far?

No, go ahead and finish it, first.

I wanted as many comments as possible so I could see if anything in particular jumped out at several people.

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:09:20pm

re: #138 albusteve

Yep.

Steve! Good to see ya!

143 brookly red  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:09:22pm

I remember reading that at one time banks & such would use armored guard booths & the like to protect their guards from surprise attacks. I have a feeling that this type of security may start to make a comeback.

144 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:09:39pm

re: #138 albusteve

they need to decide what to call the damned thing...long gun is just so last century

Heh. "Assault weapon" is last century ... "long gun" is the century before!

145 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:09:50pm

re: #138 albusteve

they need to decide what to call the damned thing...long gun is just so last century

I'm sure it will be labeled an "assault rifle".

146 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:10:41pm

re: #132 albusteve

how ironic...still they need to think twice

Ironic, indeed. Some folks are way too paranoid about guns. If something had gone wrong there she may have been the one to save lives.

147 Gus  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:10:43pm

UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM STATEMENT ON DEATH OF SECURITY OFFICER STEPHEN TYRONE JOHNS
(Editor's Note: This statement was released by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum on 06/10/09.)

Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns died heroically in the line of duty today. There are no words to express our grief and shock over these events. He served on the Museum's security staff for six years. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Officer Johns' family.

We have made the decision to close the Museum tomorrow in honor of Officer Johns, and our flags will be flown at half mast in his memory.

Fred S. Zeidman, Chairman, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Joel M. Geiderman, Vice Chairman, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Sara J. Bloomfield, Director, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

From TPM

148 J.S.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:10:46pm

re: #139 sattv4u2

NY Times flat-out states that "a white supremacist with a rifle..."

149 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:11:00pm

re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep.

Steve! Good to see ya!

tis a fine day to breath in and count our blessings

150 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:11:11pm

Beck makes it alot easier to get up an get another Beer when he is on

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:11:13pm

re: #134 looking closely

Considering it was probably lying there at the scene, I'm pretty sure "they" know what it is, just that that particular detail hasn't been made public yet.

By 'they' I meant the media, but point taken.

152 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:12:08pm

A person I know - a braying loud mouthed asshole, British ex-services war vet - is turning troofer. He watched 'Zeitgeist', ever since he's been obsessed with the JFK 'conspiracy', the World Bank and the US federal reserve. I'm just waiting for the anti-Israel rhetoric to start. Next time I speak to him, I might give him a little 'encouragement' in that direction instead of telling him he is full of shit - just to see what happens.

153 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:12:11pm

re: #144 OldLineTexan

Heh. "Assault weapon" is last century ... "long gun" is the century before!

yes, you are right...times flies!

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:12:40pm

re: #149 albusteve

Yessir!

You are nearing a really big Lizard number. Were you aware?

155 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:13:05pm

re: #147 Gus 802

UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM STATEMENT ON DEATH OF SECURITY OFFICER STEPHEN TYRONE JOHNS
(Editor's Note: This statement was released by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum on 06/10/09.)

From TPM

My daughter asked a good question. Will there be some sort of honors at Officer Johns' funeral, as there would be if he were a regular cop? Was he a Parks Service employee? We agree something very special should be done for him.

156 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:13:24pm

re: #148 J.S.

NY Times flat-out states that "a white supremacist with a rifle..."

For once they are flat out right

157 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:13:33pm

re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yessir!

You are nearing a really big Lizard number. Were you aware?

no...I don't grok

158 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:13:44pm

re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yessir!

You are nearing a really big Lizard number. Were you aware?

I just helped nudge him to it. ;)

159 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:13:47pm

re: #155 doppelganglander

My daughter asked a good question. Will there be some sort of honors at Officer Johns' funeral, as there would be if he were a regular cop? Was he a Parks Service employee? We agree something very special should be done for him.

Assuming, of course, his family wants that.

160 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:13:54pm

Got a few more errands to run, lizards- I'll be keeping track of this as best I can on the radio.

161 yochanan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:14:02pm

rev wright's anti semitism came out today as well

'them jews are keeping me from seeing obama'

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:14:11pm

re: #155 doppelganglander

He will not need for mourners.

We all stand for him, bow our heads and thank him.

163 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:14:18pm

re: #159 Occasional Reader

Assuming, of course, his family wants that.

Absolutely. I can't imagine what they must be going through.

164 JHW  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:14:39pm

re: #152 Jimmah

Is he from N.I.? I know a fellow that fits that description to a tee, notwithstanding all the ridicule he gets from ex-British servicemen.

165 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:14:51pm

re: #161 yochanan

rev wright's anti semitism came out today as well

'them jews are keeping me from seeing obama'

rev wright's anti semitism came out today AGAIN as well

'them jews are keeping me from seeing obama'

Fixed that

166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:14:51pm

re: #158 DEZes

Actually, the number I am referring to is a number that only he has the power to nudge.

Check again.

167 kynna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:14:53pm

Prayers for the guard and his family.

The report is indeed being vindicated by these whackos and those who excuse them. But -- to be fair -- a lot of the outrage regarding the report had to do with some vague descriptions that would have covered opinion rather than activity.

I wonder how many other elderly or terminally ill, hate-filled people are considering a 'last act' to cement their position in history before they leave the Earth? How to fight someone who has no intention of living through the battle? Scary days.

168 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:15:06pm

My prayers go out to the family of Security Officer Johns.

169 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:15:45pm

re: #156 sattv4u2

For once they are flat out right

stunning....no oblique bullshit

170 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:15:51pm

re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, the number I am referring to is a number that only he has the power to nudge.

Check again.

Ah, I see what your saying.

171 neocon hippie  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:15:54pm

Was Officer Johns African-American, does anyone know?

172 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:16:03pm

re: #155 doppelganglander

Someone mentioned further down that alot of security guards in the D.C. are actually policemen working a 2nd job, so that may be the case here.

But I hope he does get those aforementioned honors at his funeral.

173 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:16:04pm

re: #75 Nevergiveup

Was he a Vet? just curious.

Yes. Please excuse the lefty source:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

174 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:16:20pm

re: #161 yochanan

rev wright's anti semitism came out today as well

'them jews are keeping me from seeing obama'

His hatred of Jews was out for over 20 years.
Obama used him for 20 years; now Obama has no use for anyone who doesn't worship him.
He probably sat through the sermons dreaming of becoming President of the World.

175 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:16:26pm

re: #152 Jimmah

A person I know - a braying loud mouthed asshole, British ex-services war vet - is turning troofer. He watched 'Zeitgeist', ever since he's been obsessed with the JFK 'conspiracy', the World Bank and the US federal reserve. I'm just waiting for the anti-Israel rhetoric to start. Next time I speak to him, I might give him a little 'encouragement' in that direction instead of telling him he is full of shit - just to see what happens.

Among the people you come in contact with, are you noticing this kind of lunacy increasing or decreasing?

In Texas, I can tell you that more and more people are getting turned on to creationism via "Expelled"... haven't noticed a corresponding rise in other forms of magic-think, though.

176 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:16:33pm

Glenn Beck's FOX TV show that started 15 minutes ago is dealing with the antisemitism issue right now. It is actually a very sober and rational discussion.

Normally I am not a promoter of beck's show, but today it is much better than usual.

177 Gus  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:16:36pm

re: #155 doppelganglander

My daughter asked a good question. Will there be some sort of honors at Officer Johns' funeral, as there would be if he were a regular cop? Was he a Parks Service employee? We agree something very special should be done for him.

He may have been a private guard. The information is still coming in so I'm not really sure. I had the same thoughts regarding Pvt. William Long. The final word may lie with the family's wishes.

178 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:16:50pm

re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, the number I am referring to is a number that only he has the power to nudge.

Check again.

so cryptic....give me your pie

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:17:13pm

re: #171 neocon hippie

Was Officer Johns African-American, does anyone know?

I guessed so from his name, and the DC location, but I don't know for sure. Does anyone?

180 John Neverbend  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:17:36pm

re: #148 J.S.

NY Times flat-out states that "a white supremacist with a rifle..."

There's a barely audible sigh of relief from the NY Times that this time, it's not Muhammad Ibn Sharmuta (pace LGF's own Sharmuta), formerly known as Reginald Johnson from Dorkville Heights, Long Island, and that his identity need not be buried in line 437,000 of the article.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:17:39pm

re: #178 albusteve

Nope. Mine.

What's "grok"?

182 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:17:48pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

I guessed so from his name, and the DC location, but I don't know for sure. Does anyone?

Michael Medved saw a photo, and said he was.

183 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:18:05pm

OK....NOW I'm leaving.

/LGF has that effect of making me stay longer than I intend to...

184 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:18:07pm

I'm not interested in what the MSM calls him, or what they think of him.

I want to know what the GOP leadership thinks of him.
I want to know how far the GOP leadership will go in condemning this.
I'm not criticizing or prejudging them.
I simply believe it's a far more pertinent point.

If the Party doesn't go bouncing off the walls in condemnation, it will be handing the high ground to the opposition.

/once again

185 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:18:24pm

re: #161 yochanan

rev wright's anti semitism came out today as well

'them jews are keeping me from seeing obama'


rev wrong's fist is still clenched tightly ...

186 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:19:03pm

An 89 year old murderous white supremacist... I'm reminded of that piece of shit who killed Medgar Evers, what was his name?

[quick look]

Byron De La Beckwith. Finally convicted in 1994, died in prison in 2001. Got away with it for way too long.

187 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:19:27pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Mine.

What's "grok"?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:19:33pm

re: #184 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I want the leadership to not let them use the term "right winger".

189 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:19:50pm

re: #171 neocon hippie

Was Officer Johns African-American, does anyone know?

Rev. Wright sure chose a fine day to cram his metatarsals down his own esophagus.

I hope he gets a chorus of jeers from the black community over this. There has got to be a working plurality at this point who agree with us that he's a dickhead.

190 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:19:56pm

I wonder if his ex who has essentially described him as a drunken, homicidal maniac who would "die with his boots on" ever bothered to call the police about him?

The guard is a hero. People ought to read the article about this called "This is Personal" by Mark Bluementhal

As far as I am concerned, the staff members of the Holocaust Museum are part of our family and the Museum itself is hallowed ground, and we pray for the recovery of the wounded guard. "Never take your guard force and security people for granted," William Parsons, the museum's chief of staff said on television a few minutes ago. Our family never will.

A very sad update: MSNBC just reported that the guard, Officer Steven Tyrone Johns, has passed away. We are all mourners tonight.

191 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:19:57pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Mine.

What's "grok"?

Term from "Stranger in a Strange Land" By RA Heinlein. Meaning to get it or fully understand...

192 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:19:58pm

I'm so tired of all the hate. I'm a 35 year old man. I'm pretty sure any where I go in the world, any other 35 year old man will basically have the same concerns I have. Putting food on the table, taking care of my family, maybe setting some thing aside for a rainy day and having some fun in our free time. It takes too much time and effort to hate with this intensity. In the long run, it never does anything but cause misery for everyone involved.

193 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:20:35pm

re: #184 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I want to know what the GOP leadership thinks of him.

I'm a little puzzled here. Why is it particularly incumbent on GOP leadership to denounce him?

194 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:20:38pm

Oh.....and I hope Officer Johns managed a gut shot of Von Brunn with a hollowpoint.

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:20:39pm

re: #187 albusteve

Oh. Okay. I read it.

Hey Steve? What's Grok?

196 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:20:39pm

re: #186 Occasional Reader

An 89 year old murderous white supremacist... I'm reminded of that piece of shit who killed Medgar Evers, what was his name?

[quick look]

Byron De La Beckwith. Finally convicted in 1994, died in prison in 2001. Got away with it for way too long.

Beckwith wasn't in his 80's when he murdered Evers, though.

None of the rest of Von Brunn's background surprises me, but his age does. I don't tend to think of elderly men as rampaging murderers.

Agist!/

197 MJ  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:20:57pm

re: #97 looking closely

Well, in fact he probably DID want to be shot.

Why else would he take a shot at armed security guards?

Again, if he just wanted to kill Jews, he could have gone to a synagogue, instead of a Federal museum.

You seem to think this guy wasn't aiming to kill Jews.
You are discounting his entire history with antisemitism.

198 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:20:59pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Mine.

What's "grok"?

to understand completely

RAH - Stranger in a Strange Land

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:21:13pm

re: #161 yochanan

rev wright's anti semitism came out today as well

'them jews are keeping me from seeing obama'

(also an aside to my #184)

I DO wonder what Reverend Jeremiah Wright thinks of this.

200 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:21:27pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. Okay. I read it.

Hey Steve? What's Grok?

it means....give me your pie

201 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:21:38pm

re: #194 Fenway_Nation

Oh.....and I hope Officer Johns managed a gut shot of Von Brunn with a hollowpoint.

Who ever shot Von Brunn, it apparently was a head shot

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:22:11pm

re: #178 albusteve

so cryptic...

Crap Steve! You are almost at 20,000 comments!

203 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:22:15pm

re: #201 Nevergiveup

I hope he suffers.

204 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:22:51pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. Okay. I read it.

Hey Steve? What's Grok?

To grasp or understand a concept or person entirely and deeply. Frequently used in an intuitive sense, rather than a studied one.

205 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:23:09pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Mine.

What's "grok"?

Grok - from Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land," about a human orphaned on Mars and raised by Martians who is taught many odd things by his mentors. Grokking - an ability to appreciate a thing or person in it's totality, in a very rough sense - is one of them. Commonly used as a substitute for "understanding" although that isn't quite right.

A good read.

206 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:23:15pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'm a little puzzled here. Why is it particularly incumbent on GOP leadership to denounce him?

this killing is beyond the realm of politics...otherwise you play right into the killers hands imo

207 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:23:28pm

re: #200 albusteve

it means....give me your pie

why does everything seem to somehow mean "give me your pie"?

208 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:23:32pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'm a little puzzled here. Why is it particularly incumbent on GOP leadership to denounce him?

Probably has something to do with DHS reports or Tea Parties.

/

209 transient  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:23:38pm

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(also an aside to my #184)

I DO wonder what Reverend Jeremiah Wright thinks of this.

It's a Jewish conspiracy to kill decent Americans while creating sympathy for themselves. After all, we haven't heard of any Jews being injured. And there weren't any Jews in the Twin Towers on 9/11, right?

/channeling Jeremiah.

210 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:23:44pm

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm so tired of all the hate. I'm a 35 year old man. I'm pretty sure any where I go in the world, any other 35 year old man will basically have the same concerns I have. Putting food on the table, taking care of my family, maybe setting some thing aside for a rainy day and having some fun in our free time. It takes too much time and effort to hate with this intensity. In the long run, it never does anything but cause misery for everyone involved.

well said, Kragar

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:24:01pm

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The term "Them Jews" comes to mind...

212 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:24:03pm

G-D I hate Judge Nepolitano on Fox

213 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:24:35pm

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(also an aside to my #184)

I DO wonder what Reverend Jeremiah Wright thinks of this.


i doubt he's in mourning ....

214 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:24:46pm

re: #207 slokat

why does everything seem to somehow mean "give me your pie"?

Because we really, really want pie ...

215 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:24:46pm

re: #207 slokat

why does everything seem to somehow mean "give me your pie"?

inside joke...pie is all the free stuff we're gonna get...I don't want to wait for mine, I want yours

216 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:19pm

re: #201 Nevergiveup

Who ever shot Von Brunn, it apparently was a head shot

Good training, on someone's part.

217 tradewind  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:20pm

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just my opinion, but it seems that we as a nation are seeing a lot of unhinged, whack-job misfits committing a lot of crimes in the name of this cause or that cause, when in reality, these jerks would be looking for someone to shoot regardless.**
**Jihadis excepted.

218 transient  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:26pm

re: #201 Nevergiveup

Who ever shot Von Brunn, it apparently was a head shot

So, probably not much damage done.
From the sound of things, vB wasn't using much of his brain.

219 Noah's Arrrgh  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:30pm

James Lileks wrote “The fact that the Holocaust Museum has several armed guards tells you why we need a Holocaust Museum.”

True. I remember when I was in Berlin in the mid-nineties, I noticed that in front of Café Beth there was an armed Guard. I remember thinking how tragic that in the middle of Berlin one would still need to post guards in a cafe in the Jewish quarter.

220 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:32pm

re: #215 albusteve

inside joke...pie is all the free stuff we're gonna get...I don't want to wait for mine, I want yours

That always makes the assumption that I have any pie to take!

221 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:38pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Mine.

What's "grok"?

I've never been comfortable with the sound of that "word". The Martians were so sublime and mysterious. "Grohm" or even "Krog" would have worked better for me. "Grok" sounds like something you'd hear a caveman say.
/idea for insurance commercial.......

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:38pm

re: #215 albusteve

inside joke...pie is all the free stuff we're gonna get...I don't want to wait for mine, I want yours

Wasn't that the alternative title to "The Audacity of Hope"?

223 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:40pm

re: #202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crap Steve! You are almost at 20,000 comments!

I'm a beast....and unemployed for the most part

224 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:52pm

re: #9 Zimriel

I'm reading Jewish honorifics for the dead on Wikipedia. Last time I did that was when Grandma (a''h) passed on.

I would classify this brave soul as a martyr... זכר קדוש לברכה and השם ינקום דמו

The correct honorific in this case is המקום ינקום דמו (G-D avenge his blood)

225 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:25:57pm

re: #197 MJ

You seem to think this guy wasn't aiming to kill Jews.
You are discounting his entire history with antisemitism.

That wasn't the point of #97 looking closely, as I understood it. It much rather referred to this comment: re: #19 transient

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet.

Everyone is reporting that von Brunn was born in 1920 and it is therefore assumed he is 89 years old, but no one has actually released his birthdate. Depending on the month of his birth, he might still be 88. Since this is apparently a significant number for him, perhaps he decided to go out in blaze of HH.

I tried googling for his name and "born" and only got an artist link which says (on the search page) that his birthdate is 7/11/20 in St. Louis MO, and that he has a studio in the state of Maryland (convenient to DC, eh?) If this is the same guy (how many James W. von Brunn's are there?) this would support my hypothesis.

Only my five cents.

226 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:26:15pm

re: #213 _RememberTonyC

i doubt he's in mourning ....

He may be a vile bastard but I doubt he'd express joy over this.

227 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:26:42pm

re: #97 looking closely

Well, in fact he probably DID want to be shot.

Why else would he take a shot at armed security guards?

Again, if he just wanted to kill Jews, he could have gone to a synagogue, instead of a Federal museum.

You are assuming this man was thinking clearly.

228 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:26:50pm

re: #215 albusteve

inside joke...pie is all the free stuff we're gonna get...I don't want to wait for mine, I want yours

I grok.

Mine's mincemeat made from scratch with venison.

...still what it?

/

229 tradewind  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:26:52pm

re: #221 IslandLibertarian

Frak yeah.

230 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:26:58pm

re: #220 Dianna

That always makes the assumption that I have any pie to take!

when you do, call my office

231 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:27:02pm

Holocaust denial and blaming and hating the Jews for everything under the sun makes people behave like Nazis.


This is personal

232 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:27:12pm

re: #228 slokat

pimf ...still want it?

233 tradewind  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:27:30pm

re: #226 Wendya

Maybe not in public.

234 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:27:33pm

re: #230 albusteve

when you do, call my office

I'll be too busy concealing my pie!

235 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:27:40pm

re: #219 Noah's Arrrgh

James Lileks wrote “The fact that the Holocaust Museum has several armed guards tells you why we need a Holocaust Museum.”

True. I remember when I was in Berlin in the mid-nineties, I noticed that in front of Café Beth there was an armed Guard. I remember thinking how tragic that in the middle of Berlin one would still need to post guards in a cafe in the Jewish quarter.

At they synagogue nearest to my home, they have tire-shredding barriers to the underground parking garage. Again, the need for such a thing is truly depressing.

236 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:27:57pm

re: #216 Occasional Reader

Good training, on someone's part.

Actually when I got my M-16 M-9 training they forbid head shots?

237 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:28:24pm

re: #234 Dianna

I'll be too busy concealing my pie!

A-ha. Well, I shall go punish myself severely now.

238 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:28:55pm

re: #227 Kenneth

You are assuming this man was thinking clearly.

He may have wanted to go out in a "blaze of glory". Now, he won't even get to blame The Jooz for shooting him.

239 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:28:58pm

re: #219 Noah's Arrrgh

James Lileks wrote “The fact that the Holocaust Museum has several armed guards tells you why we need a Holocaust Museum.”

True. I remember when I was in Berlin in the mid-nineties, I noticed that in front of Café Beth there was an armed Guard. I remember thinking how tragic that in the middle of Berlin one would still need to post guards in a cafe in the Jewish quarter.

The Jewish community center where I take my son for swimming lessons has several security guards on duty at all times. I'm sure it's no different than any other JCC in North America. It is sad, but it is also not news.

240 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #221 IslandLibertarian

I've never been comfortable with the sound of that "word". The Martians were so sublime and mysterious. "Grohm" or even "Krog" would have worked better for me. "Grok" sounds like something you'd hear a caveman say.
/idea for insurance commercial.......

it's so easy

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #236 Nevergiveup

This before Kevlar?

242 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:29:38pm

re: #229 tradewind

Frak yeah.

Speaking of which, when the FRAK does BSG4.5 come out on DVD?
/my nerd is showing

243 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:29:41pm

re: #239 Kenneth

The Jewish community center where I take my son for swimming lessons has several security guards on duty at all times. I'm sure it's no different than any other JCC in North America. It is sad, but it is also not news.

But are they armed?

244 tradewind  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:29:42pm

This is not going to add to the comfort level of Israelis re Obama's administration......

245 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:29:44pm

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Actually when I got my M-16 M-9 training they forbid head shots?

Agreed. Center of mass is a larger and surer target at any distance. Head shots only happen in novels and video games.

/intentionally I mean.

246 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:30:10pm

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Actually when I got my M-16 M-9 training they forbid head shots?

I may be mistaken, but I think police and military training is starting to emphasize that skill more and more (and/or "triple taps", etc.), due to the ever more ubiquitous nature of body armor.


(Actually, "ever more ubiquitous" is probably like "somewhat pregnant", but whatever.)

247 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:30:12pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'm a little puzzled here. Why is it particularly incumbent on GOP leadership to denounce him?

Personally, I just assumed they would all find it horrifying, as we do. The implication that they wouldn't was strange and baseless, imo. They may be inept at times, but they're not monsters.

248 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:30:12pm

re: #242 IslandLibertarian

Speaking of which, when the FRAK does BSG4.5 come out on DVD?
/my nerd is showing

Think Hulu has it already

249 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:30:13pm

re: #226 Wendya

He may be a vile bastard but I doubt he'd express joy over this.


he won't express joy over it ... but considering his attitude towards those of the Jewish faith, I doubt he is all that upset. as you said, he is a vile bastard.

250 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:30:18pm

The headlines at Washingtonpost.com says

Private security guard, an African American identified as Stephen Tyrone Johns, worked at museum for six years. D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty says shooter is in critical condition

It's men like Officer Johns that make loons like Rev. Wright look extra small and vile.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:30:21pm

re: #235 Occasional Reader

At they synagogue nearest to my home, they have tire-shredding barriers to the underground parking garage. Again, the need for such a thing is truly depressing.

I was in college before it really dawned on me that at the average Methodist Church, on Christmas Day, they don't have armed guards outside. That the security measures I grew up thinking of as normal were absolutely alien to most Americans.

252 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:30:27pm

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This before Kevlar?

No. 2 Months ago. Forbid head shots on the range.

253 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:31:01pm

re: #243 Nevergiveup

But are they armed?

Armed security guards in Canada? You got to be joking. Armoured car couriers are armed though, but they carry a .38 special.

254 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:31:03pm

re: #242 IslandLibertarian

Speaking of which, when the FRAK does BSG4.5 come out on DVD?
/my nerd is showing

is that the one that starts with an unedited 2 hr long pilot for the first disc?

255 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:31:13pm

re: #245 BlueCanuck

Agreed. Center of mass is a larger and surer target at any distance. Head shots only happen in novels and video games.

/intentionally I mean.

or CQB training. Two shots center mass, followed with a head shot.

256 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:31:27pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'm a little puzzled here. Why is it particularly incumbent on GOP leadership to denounce him?

To show what they're made of -- politicians or statesmen/women.
I've come to agree that the Party is sliding further and further right.
A condemnation will set the stage for backing away from the wacko fringe.

257 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:31:40pm

re: #245 BlueCanuck

Agreed. Center of mass is a larger and surer target at any distance. Head shots only happen in novels and video games.

/intentionally I mean.

I've seen video of Seals training for head shots.

(Of course, yes, those are Seals... may not be recommended for less "elite" sorts.)

258 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:31:53pm

re: #243 Nevergiveup

I don't know. This is in Toronto, so they might not be allowed to be armed. Fortunately, terrorists up here are not allowed to be armed either, so it's ok.

259 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:31:55pm

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't that the alternative title to "The Audacity of Hope"?

No it was FYJIGM: A Progressive's Manifesto

260 MJ  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:31:58pm

SWC Reaction to Murder of Security Guard at US Holocaust Memorial Museum

June 10, 2009

SWC REACTION TO MURDER OF SECURITY GUARD AT THE US HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM BY SELF-IDENTIFIED ANTI-SEMITE, WHITE SUPREMACIST, AND HATER OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS

"The murderous attack that took place at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington by James von Brunn, a self-identified anti-Semite, white supremacist, and hater of African-Americans shows that the cancer of hatred, bigotry and anti-Semitism is alive and well in America," said Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper, founder and dean and associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

"The most astonishing fact is that the assailant, a captain in the US Navy who once fought against the 'Axis of Evil' in World War II, became an instrument of that evil," they added.

"It is deeply disturbing that one of America’s most powerful symbols of the memory of the Holocaust was selected as the site of the attack just days after President Obama accompanied Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel to the Buchenwald death camp," concluded Hier and Cooper who are currently meeting with Arab leaders in the Gulf region.

James von Brunn, the alleged 89-year old shooter’s racist and anti-Semitic sentiments have been tracked by Simon Wiesenthal Center researchers. Some selections from various websites are shown below, click on images to enlarge.


(screen shots)
Image: hwe1.jpg

Image: hwe2.jpg

Image: hwe3.jpg

261 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:32:13pm

re: #257 Occasional Reader

I've seen video of Seals training for head shots.

(Of course, yes, those are Seals... may not be recommended for less "elite" sorts.)

I'd take that as a shot, but I agree with ya.

262 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:32:36pm

re: #257 Occasional Reader

I've seen video of Seals training for head shots.

(Of course, yes, those are Seals... may not be recommended for less "elite" sorts.)

we are all Seals

263 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:32:49pm

I imagine Rev. Wright will be very upset that a black security guard was killed. I hope he can refrain from saying something really stupid. I also hope Officer Johns and his family are members of a church that is nothing like TUCC.

264 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:32:55pm

re: #246 Occasional Reader

When I contemplated buying a $1 house (years ago, now), one of the things that made me hesitate was that I could not get the body armor I was pretty sure I'd need, given the neighborhood, where bullets flew a lot.

265 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:33:05pm

re: #258 Kenneth

I don't know. This is in Toronto, so they might not be allowed to be armed. Fortunately, terrorists up here are not allowed to be armed either, so it's ok.

One day I fear Canada will wake up to find the terrorist don't play by the same rules.

266 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:33:20pm

re: #175 Zimriel

Among the people you come in contact with, are you noticing this kind of lunacy increasing or decreasing?

In Texas, I can tell you that more and more people are getting turned on to creationism via "Expelled"... haven't noticed a corresponding rise in other forms of magic-think, though.

I think there has been an increase in this sort of thing in the UK, mainly because it fits an anti-American agenda. I think one reason is that 'converts' have religious-like convictions about this stuff and tend to run around spouting their crap at every opportunity they get, whereas sensible people just react with "Oh God...not this again..." and walk away. So the pro-idiocy arguments get a lot more 'airtime', so to speak.

267 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:33:37pm

re: #257 Occasional Reader

I've seen video of Seals training for head shots.

(Of course, yes, those are Seals... may not be recommended for less "elite" sorts.)

Actually, SEALs train for left nostril shots at 100 yards. They're that good.

268 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:34:02pm

re: #258 Kenneth

Security guards here are rarely allowed to use weapons of any kind. Even batons are restricted unless you have extensive training in their use. Since training costs lots of money most security companies won't even offer it, and most guards can't afford it out of their wages.

269 Drogheda  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:34:23pm

re: #245 BlueCanuck

Agreed. Center of mass is a larger and surer target at any distance. Head shots only happen in novels and video games.

I'm think police snipers occasionally go for the head shot. They're often dealing with hostage situations and need to ensure a one shot kill.

Also when the SEALS took down the three pirates weren't those all reported as headshots? But again, that would be a situation involving highly trained shooters and an absolute need for guaranteed kills.

270 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:34:44pm

re: #261 Nevergiveup

I'd take that as a shot, but I agree with ya.

Not intended as a shot (and, no pun intended, with "shot"). It's just that few of us can be expected to do Seal-level shooting.

271 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #267 Kenneth

Actually, SEALs train for left nostril shots at 100 yards. They're that good.

Why left?

272 patrioticduo  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:34:49pm

In a AP caption, what is the difference between a "Long Gun", a "long gun" or a long gun? If guns are bad then obviously a "Long Gun" is worse than a long gun. Amazing how the subtlety of language is used to undermine our freedoms. The media is going to brazenly milk this story for everything it's worth while the murder of two unarmed soldiers at an Army recruiting office has already disappeared down the memory hole and it happened only a week ago. Can anyone here remember the name of the perp that committed the act? And will anyone ever forget the name of this new "right wing extremist"? Probably, but will we forget that it was a "right wing extremist"? Of course not. How shall we remember the victims?

273 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:35:06pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

I was in college before it really dawned on me that at the average Methodist Church, on Christmas Day, they don't have armed guards outside. That the security measures I grew up thinking of as normal were absolutely alien to most Americans.

We have armed Sheriff's deputies directing traffic outside, there are also several inside, plus at least one armed man in plain clothes (his firearm is CONSTANTLY "printing", and he wears a wired earpiece).

This is a Southern Baptist church, and all this has been there for several years. But you're right ... in my childhood, no such things were even considered, except the traffic cops.

274 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:35:33pm

re: #264 Dianna

When I contemplated buying a $1 house (years ago, now), one of the things that made me hesitate was that I could not get the body armor I was pretty sure I'd need, given the neighborhood, where bullets flew a lot.

You were planning on lounging around the house in body armor?
/

275 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:35:34pm

re: #25 Fenway_Nation

I won't lose any sleep....except even at the ripe old age of 88, I could hardly refer to von Brunn as a 'victim'.

what really surprises me is that his obvious hatred took all this time to finally break him. I'm curious to what made him go over the edge.
It may mean nothing, but living here, in a beautiful, underpopulated state, we have had quite a few unrelated murders in the past two weeks. It is like an epidemic. In 2007 there were 14 murders in MT.
So far in 2009 it seems that we have had at least one almost every week.

276 Noah's Arrrgh  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:35:36pm

re: #239 Kenneth

The Jewish community center where I take my son for swimming lessons has several security guards on duty at all times. I'm sure it's no different than any other JCC in North America. It is sad, but it is also not news.

It's that way at the JCC where I live too. It makes me angry just thinking about it. The thing about the Café Beth was that the armed guard was not just packing a pistol, but what looked like an automatic weapon.

In fact, I did a web search for pictures of Cafe Beth, and wouldn't you know it, there's a policeman in front.

277 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:35:42pm

re: #268 BlueCanuck

Security guards here are rarely allowed to use weapons of any kind. Even batons are restricted unless you have extensive training in their use. Since training costs lots of money most security companies won't even offer it, and most guards can't afford it out of their wages.

the world wide Fantasy Effect...it's pervasive and there is no cure

278 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:36:03pm

re: #262 albusteve

we are all Seals

I'd rather be Heidi.

/

279 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:36:12pm

re: #265 Nevergiveup

One day I fear Canada will wake up to find the terrorist don't play by the same rules.

That fact has been demonstrated, but Canada has yet to wake up.

Toronto 18

Momin Khawaja

280 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:36:36pm

re: #269 Drogheda

Snipers and special forces are the exceptions to the rule. :)

281 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:36:49pm

re: #271 slokat

Why left?

Why not? (it was a joke, actually)

282 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:36:50pm

re: #270 Occasional Reader

Not intended as a shot (and, no pun intended, with "shot"). It's just that few of us can be expected to do Seal-level shooting.

I was joking. My training as a Naval Dental Officer was a tad less intensive than the Seals do. But I had a good time, and actually got a chance to wear my fatigues.

283 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:37:05pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

You were planning on lounging around the house in body armor?
/

pink, off the shoulder

284 calcajun  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:37:14pm

Words (at least polite ones) fail me on this one. This really did sound like suicide by cop.

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:37:15pm

re: #271 slokat

Democrats?

286 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:37:20pm

re: #273 OldLineTexan

We have armed Sheriff's deputies directing traffic outside, there are also several inside, plus at least one armed man in plain clothes (his firearm is CONSTANTLY "printing", and he wears a wired earpiece).

This is a Southern Baptist church, and all this has been there for several years. But you're right ... in my childhood, no such things were even considered, except the traffic cops.

Damn... We had none of this, growing up Catholic. I assume it's because our parish church was protected by the Mafia.

//

287 ointmentfly  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:37:38pm

Hopefully this guy is surrounded by jewish doctors and african american nurses. Maybe if he needs blood, they can set up a direct transfusion with an Israeli and make him watch.

288 Kragar  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:37:38pm

Iran's Islamic guardians warn reformist wave

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — In the final hours of Iran's fierce election campaign, the top pro-reform challenger to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad got a sharp warning Wednesday that authorities would crush any attempt at a popular "revolution" inspired by the huge rallies and street parties calling for more freedoms.

The threat by an official of the powerful Revolutionary Guard reflected the increasingly tense atmosphere surrounding Friday's up-for-grabs election. It also marked a sharp escalation by the ruling clerics against the youth-driven campaign of Mir Hossein Mousavi and its hopes of an underdog victory.

289 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:37:39pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

You were planning on lounging around the house in body armor?
/

I sure as hell wasn't going to do yardwork without at least a vest! Or walk to BART, either. Or the grocery store. Or ride my bike. Or sit in the front room. Or....

Yes, it was that bad.

290 calcajun  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:37:57pm

re: #283 albusteve

pink, off the shoulder

I did not know that they made Kevlar thongs.

291 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:38:05pm

re: #265 Nevergiveup

One day I fear Canada will wake up to find the terrorist don't play by the same rules.


I went to Moose Jaw this last weekend and all the actual LEO's were well armed. Particularly the Immigration people at the border.

292 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:38:13pm

re: #164 JHW

Is he from N.I.? I know a fellow that fits that description to a tee, notwithstanding all the ridicule he gets from ex-British servicemen.

N.I.? Where is that?

293 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #286 Occasional Reader

Da Don likes a nice, quiet Mass, capiche?

/

294 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:38:39pm

re: #281 Kenneth

Was thinking there might be some physics reason for a right handed shooter... or something.

295 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:38:43pm

Let us hope that the opportunity to expose white-supremest groups/attitudes and their connection to politics is not lost in the "Guns Availability Leads to Tragedy" and "Black Security Guard Victim of Racial Shooting" reporting.

296 JHW  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:38:53pm

re: #292 Jimmah

Northern Ireland.

297 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:39:08pm

re: #292 Jimmah

N.I.? Where is that?

I'm guessing Northern Ireland.

298 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:39:14pm

re: #290 calcajun

I did not know that they made Kevlar thongs.

mine have the Cowboy logo on the front

299 MJ  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:39:17pm

The Obama Administration has opened a new front in it's attack against Israel today. From the State Department briefing:

QUESTION: George Mitchell yesterday, using the phrase “Jewish state,” he said, “Palestinian state living in peace side-by-side with Jewish state.” Was that a slip of the tongue, or does the word “Jewish” signal a new departure for the Obama Administration in dealing with Israel-Palestine? And that being what it is, as he said it, what does it mean as far as the Obama Administration is concerned for Palestinians living inside Israel?


MR. KELLY: Well, Secretary Clinton said in March during her meeting with Foreign Minister Livni that both she and President Obama are committed to Israel’s security and to its democracy as a Jewish state. What Senator Mitchell said is not – does not represent any kind of new policy. We believe that Israel is a pluralistic democracy that guarantees the rights of all its citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish alike.


As the President has said, we’re going to do everything that we can to be constructive, effective partners in this process. And the President has reiterated to Prime Minister Netanyahu that the framework of the Roadmap can advance the interests of Israel, the Palestinian people, and the United States. And our position remains that the question of Palestinian refugees is one to be decided between the parties of the permanent status negotiations.


QUESTION: But on the issue of Arab Israelis, you’re saying that their rights as Israeli citizens are guaranteed on an equal footing with their Jewish counterparts.


MR. KELLY: Right.


QUESTION: Arab Israelis say that precisely, they’re not treated as their Jewish counterparts; they’re treated as second class citizens. Now within that appellation that both Clinton and Mitchell are talking about when they refer to the Jewish state, what is the angle on those rights, the rights of Israeli – Arab Israelis within a final settlement?


MR. KELLY: Well, as I said before, we believe that Israel is a pluralistic democracy, and its citizens, both Jewish and non-Jewish, enjoy the same full rights as citizens.


Yes.

[Link: www.state.gov...]

300 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:39:37pm

re: #296 JHW

Thanks. No, but he served time there.

301 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:39:40pm

re: #290 calcajun

I did not know that they made Kevlar thongs.

That thought made me stand up, quickly. Ew!

302 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:39:45pm

re: #282 Nevergiveup

My training as a Naval Dental Officer was a tad less intensive than the Seals do.

You guys use M-16s and M9s in your practice?

(Note to self: Never go to Navy Dentist)

303 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:39:47pm

This is a man who fought the Japanese, not the Germans, in WWII. He has the surname of German nobility. He was a racist. I think he wanted to attack a symbol of the history of Holocaust and the truth about his evil belief system, to do it in a dramatic fashion, and to make his statement about who he was.

In that, he succeeded.

304 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:39:58pm

re: #295 IslandLibertarian

Let us hope that the opportunity to expose white-supremest groups/attitudes and their connection to politics is not lost in the "Guns Availability Leads to Tragedy" and "Black Security Guard Victim of Racial Shooting" reporting.

The first comment on one of the blogs at the WaPo was, and I paraphrase, "Eleanor Holmes Norton was right. We need the DC Voting Rights Act to get the NRA out of here."

305 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:40:04pm

re: #275 Eowyn2

what really surprises me is that his obvious hatred took all this time to finally break him. I'm curious to what made him go over the edge.

Perhaps he knew he was dying and figured this would be a good way out? Most "haters" have an extreme victim mentality. Unfortunately, we've seen a lot of people on the right/left/middle who have bought into the idea that they're a victim of some other group, etc... It's become in many ways, a badge of honor to be a "victim".

306 Catttt  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:40:29pm

re: #155 doppelganglander

My daughter asked a good question. Will there be some sort of honors at Officer Johns' funeral, as there would be if he were a regular cop? Was he a Parks Service employee? We agree something very special should be done for him.

I read that he was a Wackenhut Security contract employee.

307 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:40:36pm

re: #287 ointmentfly

Hopefully this guy is surrounded by jewish doctors and african american nurses. Maybe if he needs blood, they can set up a direct transfusion with an Israeli and make him watch.

they need to do their job and save the guy if possible...there is a higher principle here

308 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:40:42pm

re: #292 Jimmah

N.I.? Where is that?

Is it related to those knights?

309 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:40:46pm

re: #295 IslandLibertarian

Let us hope that the opportunity to expose white-supremest groups/attitudes and their connection to politics is not lost in the "Guns Availability Leads to Tragedy" and "Black Security Guard Victim of Racial Shooting" reporting.

Just to make sure that didn't get lost. An upding wasn't enough.

310 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:41:03pm

re: #242 IslandLibertarian

Speaking of which, when the FRAK does BSG4.5 come out on DVD?
/my nerd is showing

I don't know, and I won't give spoilers, just my opinion.
Stop reading here if you don't want to know.

I found the ending very disappointing. Enough that I won't bother with anything by the same team again. That's all I'll say.

311 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:41:05pm

re: #298 albusteve

mine have the Cowboy logo on the front

I thought the Cowboy's thongs had Jessica Simpson's face on them?

312 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:41:20pm

re: #268 BlueCanuck

The guards at this JCC aren't your typical mall-cop. These are big, fit, mean looking men. Every body who enters they look up and down. I wish they were armed, but that might frighten the lefties so it must be bad.

313 patrioticduo  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:41:45pm

re: #70 jill e

But he was stopped!

314 kenufive  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:41:49pm

Jews are not a race!

315 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:42:18pm

re: #311 Nevergiveup

I thought the Cowboy's thongs had Jessica Simpson's face on them?

hahaha!...no comment

316 transient  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:42:34pm

re: #269 Drogheda

I'm think police snipers occasionally go for the head shot. They're often dealing with hostage situations and need to ensure a one shot kill.

Also when the SEALS took down the three pirates weren't those all reported as headshots? But again, that would be a situation involving highly trained shooters and an absolute need for guaranteed kills.

One of the critiques of the commando rescue at Ma'alot in Israel in '74 was that the sniper went for the chest shot which hit, but did not incapacitate, the terrorist target. 22 victims died.

317 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:42:46pm

re: #287 ointmentfly

Hopefully this guy is surrounded by jewish doctors and african american nurses. Maybe if he needs blood, they can set up a direct transfusion with an Israeli and make him watch.

There was a MASH episode like that. Hawkeye and were operating on a soldier who was racists. While he was still asleep post surgery that colored his skin darker. When he woke up they told him thwey had to use 'black" blood for hi transfusion

318 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:43:12pm

re: #305 Wendya

It's become in many ways, a badge of honor to be a "victim".

Precisely.

319 slokat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:43:24pm

re: #315 albusteve

hahaha!...no comment

that used to be true, but now it takes a full boxer short to fit an image of her....

320 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:43:25pm

re: #106 slokat

hhmm, the left has extremists that identify with race & religion, also... just from another starting point.

Yes, basically if you come from a non-white, non-christian background, you can be a leftist racist. This is because all non-white cultures are victims of European imperialism and should rally around their exploited cultures as a way to fight the capitalist/racist power structure.

321 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:43:37pm

re: #306 Catttt

I read that he was a Wackenhut Security contract employee.

Thanks, Catttt. My husband and many of his friends worked for Wackenhut or similar outfits when they were in college. He probably wasn't making much. I hope there's a fund for the family -- hubby is unemployed but I can do without something and send them $20.

322 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:44:05pm

re: #314 kenufive

What's your point?

323 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:44:05pm

re: #314

If you have a point, please make it. I have to leave soon and I do so hate to miss Stinkeys work !

324 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:44:08pm

re: #73 KingKenrod

I'd say left-wingers tend to be motivated by economic differences (class, capitalism), and right-wingers by a broad spectrum of identity differences (race, religion).

There are a few inconsistencies:
Gang related crime fits neither left nor right.
Capitalism is not an economic difference.

What you are inadvertantly saying is that left-wingers tend to be motivated by poverty and right-wingers by hatred. I will call bullshit on that.

The Unibomber was left-wing. He only lived in poverty by choice. He was mad as a hatter. This killer was motivated by race/religion (I'm sorry if it offends my Jewish cohorts on this but I just can't consider Judism a race.) His rantings prove that he too, is mad as a hatter.

Murder is committed by people who are greedy, jealous, and/or hateful.

325 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:44:50pm

re: #322 Occasional Reader

gmta

326 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:01pm

re: #303 quickjustice

This is a man who fought the Japanese, not the Germans, in WWII. He has the surname of German nobility. He was a racist. I think he wanted to attack a symbol of the history of Holocaust and the truth about his evil belief system, to do it in a dramatic fashion, and to make his statement about who he was.

In that, he succeeded.

Makes sense as to how he could be a WWII vet and commit this act and believe what he did. However, I will take issue with the highlighted. Just because he has a German nobility surname does not mean a damn thing, many of us here have German surnames (even ones of nobility). It's like saying that just because the guy has a name of Mohammad or Ali means the guy is automatically a terrorist.

327 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:09pm

re: #319 slokat

that used to be true, but now it takes a full boxer short to fit an image of her....

air ballllll.....

328 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:13pm

re: #319 slokat

that used to be true, but now it takes a full boxer short to fit an image of her....

She is young, mildly talented, and very attractive. I thought the "starved cocaine addict" look was finally out.

329 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:14pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'm a little puzzled here. Why is it particularly incumbent on GOP leadership to denounce him?


re: #256 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To show what they're made of -- politicians or statesmen/women.
I've come to agree that the Party is sliding further and further right.
A condemnation will set the stage for backing away from the wacko fringe.

Who do you think of as party leadership? Michael Steele? John McCain? Sarah Palin? I'm just trying to figure out who, in leadership, you think is freakish enough not to find this event horrifying.

330 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:15pm

re: #314 kenufive

Jews are not a race!

Quite true, but the essential fact is that the average anti-Semite views them as such.

331 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:19pm

Many people of his generation shared his attitudes about race and ethnicity. I had an old boss who had a WWII-era ethnic vocabulary I had never heard before: "dago", "wop", "n-----", "k--" (of Jews), etc. It reminds us of how much better things have become now that these terms have fallen into widespread disuse.

332 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:22pm

re: #322 Occasional Reader

What's your point?

I sense a disturbance in the force.

333 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:51pm

re: #312 Kenneth

Condor Security? Seem to have a lot of contracts at the Shuls and schools I go by.

334 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:45:54pm

re: #314 kenufive

What is it you wanted to elaborate on?

335 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:46:15pm

This guy seems to be a sociopath. Does anyone have a link to his attack on the Federal Reserve members in the '80's? Kidnapping? Prison? I'm finding references to it but no link.

336 transient  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:46:25pm

re: #275 Eowyn2

what really surprises me is that his obvious hatred took all this time to finally break him. I'm curious to what made him go over the edge.


See my post #19 and quickjustice #303.
He was 88, and I think he wanted to do something symbolic.

337 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:46:30pm

re: #273 OldLineTexan

We have armed Sheriff's deputies directing traffic outside, there are also several inside, plus at least one armed man in plain clothes (his firearm is CONSTANTLY "printing", and he wears a wired earpiece).

This is a Southern Baptist church, and all this has been there for several years. But you're right ... in my childhood, no such things were even considered, except the traffic cops.

I remember when the Catholic church I used to go to 'back home' actually started locking their doors when nothing was going on at the church. When I was a kid, anyone could walk in at any time.

338 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:46:35pm

re: #314 kenufive

Jews are not a race!

Moron, Jews are both a religion and an ethnicity.

339 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:46:42pm

re: #326 Honorary Yooper

Makes sense as to how he could be a WWII vet and commit this act and believe what he did. However, I will take issue with the highlighted. Just because he has a German nobility surname does not mean a damn thing, many of us here have German surnames (even ones of nobility). It's like saying that just because the guy has a name of Mohammad or Ali means the guy is automatically a terrorist.

He might have even added the "von," as Claus von Bulow did, to make himself appear more aristocratic.

340 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:46:55pm

re: #272 patrioticduo

Carlos Bledsoe aka Abdulhakim

I get tired of people complaining about things like this. Every newspaper story reporting a gun crime isn't a frickin attack on your gun rights.

341 calcajun  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:47:15pm

re: #298 albusteve

That way, you know it's the front, right?/

342 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:48:09pm

re: #324 Eowyn2

There are a few inconsistencies:
Gang related crime fits neither left nor right.
Capitalism is not an economic difference.

What you are inadvertantly saying is that left-wingers tend to be motivated by poverty and right-wingers by hatred. I will call bullshit on that.

The Unibomber was left-wing. He only lived in poverty by choice. He was mad as a hatter. This killer was motivated by race/religion (I'm sorry if it offends my Jewish cohorts on this but I just can't consider Judism a race.) His rantings prove that he too, is mad as a hatter.

Murder is committed by people who are greedy, jealous, and/or hateful.

Bill Ayers was filthy rich - father the CEO of ConEd.

343 opnion  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:48:10pm

This is off point, but the Chicago Tribune annonced on the op-ed page that they recently had a visit to the Editorial Board by Kenyan PM Raiila Odinga.
They waxed philsophical about what a great democratic guy he is & how he showed patience when the election was stolen from him.
They mentioned violence against his followers.
They never mentioned violence by his followers, like burning a Christian Church with Christians in it or his agrreing to Sharia Law in a Kenyan province.
Strangest of all, they never mentioned his relationship with Obama.

344 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:48:21pm

re: #317 sattv4u2

Before WWII, a Nazi "dignitary" visited NYC. Mayor LaGuardia assigned an all-Jewish police bodyguard to him for that visit.

345 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:48:53pm

re: #340 Thanos

Carlos Bledsoe aka Abdulhakim

I get tired of people complaining about things like this. Every newspaper story reporting a gun crime isn't a frickin attack on your gun rights.

"Every school board motion supporting creationism isn't a frickin' attack on your kids' education."

Ammo, Thanos. Too early, I agree, but every story is indeed fodder for such attacks.

346 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:48:56pm

re: #329 capitalist piglet

I'm a little puzzled here. Why is it particularly incumbent on GOP leadership to denounce him?


re: #256 pre-Boomer Marine brat


Who do you think of as party leadership? Michael Steele? John McCain? Sarah Palin? I'm just trying to figure out who, in leadership, you think is freakish enough not to find this event horrifying.

I should have been more explicit in my original comment.
Public condemnation. "For the Record."

As I did say, I wasn't criticizing or prejudging them.
I believe they ARE horrified by it.
The point is, do they see a necessity for nipping it in the bud?

347 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:49:10pm

re: #339 doppelganglander

He might have even added the "von," as Claus von Bulow did, to make himself appear more aristocratic.


Hum? Von " very Jewish last name"--who would that sound?

348 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:49:12pm

I'm going on a hunt for the stat table I saw that showed that something like 80% of men this age have dementia. He had to know he was going to die.

349 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:50:11pm

re: #339 doppelganglander

He might have even added the "von," as Claus von Bulow did, to make himself appear more aristocratic.

Neither uncommon nor unknown. It makes tracing ancestry a pain in the neck when you have a "von" version of the family and a non-"von" version of the family, and the non-"von"s added the "von" after arriving in the US.

350 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:50:15pm

re: #302 Occasional Reader

You guys use M-16s and M9s in your practice?

(Note to self: Never go to Navy Dentist)

Stay away from Delta Force chiropractors, too.

351 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:50:26pm

re: #345 OldLineTexan

"Every school board motion supporting creationism isn't a frickin' attack on your kids' education."

Ammo, Thanos. Too early, I agree, but every story is indeed fodder for such attacks.

Yes every school board motion supporting creationism is an attack on kid's education. This is a newspaper story, apples ... oranges. The school board motion actually has some effect on what kids' are taught. A story is just a story

352 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:50:28pm

I finally made the top 10 and bottom 10 comments on the same ! Victory!

353 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:50:40pm

re: #344 quickjustice

Before WWII, a Nazi "dignitary" visited NYC. Mayor LaGuardia assigned an all-Jewish police bodyguard to him for that visit.

He should have included "Bugsy" Seigel in that bodyguard.

354 ointmentfly  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:51:13pm

re: #343 opnion

This is off point, but the Chicago Tribune annonced on the op-ed page that they recently had a visit to the Editorial Board by Kenyan PM Raiila Odinga.
They waxed philsophical about what a great democratic guy he is & how he showed patience when the election was stolen from him.
They mentioned violence against his followers.
They never mentioned violence by his followers, like burning a Christian Church with Christians in it or his agrreing to Sharia Law in a Kenyan province.
Strangest of all, they never mentioned his relationship with Obama.

Editorial boards don't blink twice at churches burning and it is journalistic suicide to metion "Obama" and "Kenya" in the same breath.

355 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:51:13pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

same ! = Same day!
/I stink

356 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:51:15pm

re: #342 DistantThunder

Bill Ayers was filthy rich - father the CEO of ConEd ComEd.

ConEd is a NYC utility. ComEd, aka Commonweath Edison, is the Illinois utility (and one of the most evil ones, IMHO).

357 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:51:59pm

re: #351 Thanos

Yes every school board motion supporting creationism is an attack on kid's education. This is a newspaper story, apples ... oranges. The school board motion actually has some effect on what kids' are taught. A story is just a story

Have it your way. I see it as "another brick in the wall", but then again I have been down this road before.

358 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:52:26pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

My sincere congratulations. I remember when you first formulated this goal.

/sniff

359 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:52:35pm

re: #348 DistantThunder

I'm going on a hunt for the stat table I saw that showed that something like 80% of men this age have dementia. He had to know he was going to die.

probably...my fear is that his ideology rubs off on young, robust haters..these people leave an insidious legacy...he will turn up on the net as a hero, inspiring many more

360 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:53:25pm

re: #305 Wendya

Perhaps he knew he was dying and figured this would be a good way out? Most "haters" have an extreme victim mentality. Unfortunately, we've seen a lot of people on the right/left/middle who have bought into the idea that they're a victim of some other group, etc... It's become in many ways, a badge of honor to be a "victim".

Its pretty obvious that he was a paranoid 'victim' of the everyone and their brother.

361 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:53:50pm

re: #357 OldLineTexan

I see it as paranoia. The left isn't going to do anything drastic on gun rights, the recognize they will be back out of power if they attempt it. If the right could give up some of our pet social issues before next election then we might be able to get closer to some parity of power rather than lose more ground.

362 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:53:54pm

re: #353 Nevergiveup

He should have included "Bugsy" Seigel in that bodyguard.

Major Strasser: Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris?
Rick: It's not particularly my beloved Paris.
Heinz: Can you imagine us in London?
Rick: When you get there, ask me!
Captain Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist!
Major Strasser: How about New York?
Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.

363 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:54:05pm

re: #333 BlueCanuck

Yup.

364 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:54:16pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

I finally made the top 10 and bottom 10 comments on the same ! Victory!

good for you...a swell acheivement that takes quite some effort

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:54:54pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

*grins*
*rolls eyes*
*shakes head*

366 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:55:09pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

I finally made the top 10 and bottom 10 comments on the same ! Victory!

I don't know whether to ding you up or down!

367 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:55:33pm

re: #361 Thanos

I see it as paranoia. The left isn't going to do anything drastic on gun rights, the recognize they will be back out of power if they attempt it. If the right could give up some of our pet social issues before next election then we might be able to get closer to some parity of power rather than lose more ground.

I disagree with your position that gun rights are a "pet social issue". I do agree that the Dems will hold off until after 2010.

BTW, my school board can do something stupid that won't affect your kid.

Just sayin'.

/BBL, maybe

368 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:56:29pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

I finally made the top 10 and bottom 10 comments on the same ! Victory!

That's quite an achievement. The aptly named Osama bin Asshat is giving you a lot of competition in the bottom 10.

369 opnion  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:56:36pm

re: #354 ointmentfly

Editorial boards don't blink twice at churches burning and it is journalistic suicide to metion "Obama" and "Kenya" in the same breath.


The Tribune endorsed Obama in the General Election.
In the past they have derided Raiila Odinga. Their attitude now seems odd.
I guess since the editorial is so positive, I don't know why they wouln't mention Obama.

370 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:57:00pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

I finally made the top 10 and bottom 10 comments on the same ! Victory!

Take a screenshot of it and link to it whenever anyone accuses LGF of being a group-think echo chamber.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:57:27pm

re: #344 quickjustice

Before WWII, a Nazi "dignitary" visited NYC. Mayor LaGuardia assigned an all-Jewish police bodyguard to him for that visit.

Classy!

372 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:57:38pm
373 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:57:52pm

re: #367 OldLineTexan

I disagree with your position that gun rights are a "pet social issue". I do agree that the Dems will hold off until after 2010.

BTW, my school board can do something stupid that won't affect your kid.

Just sayin'.

/BBL, maybe

I wasn't talking about gun rights and you know it, don't stuff words in my mouth.

374 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:58:03pm

re: #324 Eowyn2

There are a few inconsistencies:
Gang related crime fits neither left nor right.
Capitalism is not an economic difference.

What you are inadvertantly saying is that left-wingers tend to be motivated by poverty and right-wingers by hatred. I will call bullshit on that.

The Unibomber was left-wing. He only lived in poverty by choice. He was mad as a hatter. This killer was motivated by race/religion (I'm sorry if it offends my Jewish cohorts on this but I just can't consider Judism a race.) His rantings prove that he too, is mad as a hatter.

Murder is committed by people who are greedy, jealous, and/or hateful.

I think you're reading a little too much into the generality I presented. And by capitalism I meant the left-wing is usually anti-capitalist.

I don't know much about the Unabomer except he was anti-technology.

375 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:58:53pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

I finally made the top 10 and bottom 10 comments on the same ! Victory!

I up-dinged you earlier but I wasn't here when you made the Bottom Comment so, I just down-dinged you for that one.

376 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:59:28pm

re: #367 OldLineTexan

I disagree with your position that gun rights are a "pet social issue". I do agree that the Dems will hold off until after 2010.

BTW, my school board can do something stupid that won't affect your kid.

Just sayin'.

/BBL, maybe

So it's ok for them to screw up other people's kids? bullshit.

377 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:00:21pm

If Michelle Obama is supposed to be a fashion icon, how do you explain this? She's even got her miraculous arms covered. Meow!

378 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:01:00pm

re: #358 OldLineTexan

I have lived the dream.
....and now for some inspirational music....
You Can Make It If You Try

379 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:01:22pm

re: #148 J.S.

NY Times flat-out states that "a white supremacist with a rifle..."

Judging by the victim's middle name, he killed a black man. Not that it makes a difference, but it fits with the alleged perpetrator's description - walk into a "Jewish" museum and shoot the first black guy you see. Lovely.

I hope they throw the book at him, and then put him in with the general population.

380 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:01:33pm

re: #377 HelloDare

If Michelle Obama is supposed to be a fashion icon, how do you explain this? She's even got her miraculous arms covered. Meow!

Sunday goin to meetin clothes

381 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:01:39pm

re: #375 MandyManners

Thanks to you and the rest of the Lizard army. I couldn't have done it without you guys.

382 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:02:00pm

re: #377 HelloDare

If Michelle Obama is supposed to be a fashion icon, how do you explain this? She's even got her miraculous arms covered. Meow!

I think she needs those folks from "What Not To Wear" to stop by The White House sometime soon.

383 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:02:01pm

re: #370 ArchangelMichael

Heh.

384 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:02:45pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Thanks to you and the rest of the Lizard army. I couldn't have done it without you guys.

exempt me...I do not ding, not even you bro

385 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:03:21pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Thanks to you and the rest of the Lizard army. I couldn't have done it without you guys.

*smoochie*

386 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:03:51pm

re: #385 MandyManners

*smoochie*

Got gloves?

387 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:10pm

re: #382 Honorary Yooper

I think she needs those folks from "What Not To Wear" to stop by The White House sometime soon.

Poor Clinton and Stacey.

388 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:14pm

re: #384 albusteve

I don't ding often but my dinger got a workout earlier today about the DHS memo.

389 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:20pm

Palau agrees to take Uighurs held in Guantanamo
Published: 06.11.09, 00:11 / Israel News
The tropical Pacific island nation of Palau said on Wednesday that it had agreed to temporarily take in 17 Chinese Muslims held at the US detention center in Guantanamo Bay.

Palau's government said it would accept the detainees, known as Uighurs, both as a humanitarian gesture and to help President Barack Obama fulfill his promise to close the controversial prison for foreign terrorism suspects on the US Naval base in Cuba. (Reuters)

Yeah for 2000 million dollars ya did!

390 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:29pm

re: #386 DEZes

Got gloves?

Snap.

Hi (DEZes)

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:31pm

re: #377 HelloDare

If Michelle Obama is supposed to be a fashion icon, how do you explain this? She's even got her miraculous arms covered. Meow!

Good Lord. The woman has a nice figure, but you can't do fussy when you're that tall.

392 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:39pm

re: #377 HelloDare
Too many ribbons and flowers draws the eye to the widest part of her. Unflattering. She is young and wants to have fun with fashion but she needs some guidance.

393 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:54pm

re: #386 DEZes

Got gloves?

It was *smoochie*, not *squishee*.

394 J.S.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:57pm

re: #379 Pawn of the Oppressor

A CNN legal analyst said that the perp (assuming he recovers) could face the death penalty...(federal crime, etc.)

395 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:04:59pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

I don't ding often but my dinger got a workout earlier today about the DHS memo.

That's ok so did mine

396 opnion  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:05:03pm

re: #382 Honorary Yooper

I think she needs those folks from "What Not To Wear" to stop by The White House sometime soon.

The attempt to compare Michelle to Jackie Kennedy is really tortured.

397 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:05:10pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

I don't ding often but my dinger got a workout earlier today about the DHS memo.

I agree with you about the memo

398 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:05:21pm

re: #338 Honorary Yooper

Moron, Jews are both a religion and an ethnicity.

Kinda like being Irish Catholic.

399 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:05:38pm

re: #393 MandyManners

It was *smoochie*, not *squishee*.

I was thinking maybe latex.

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:05:48pm

re: #379 Pawn of the Oppressor

Judging by the victim's middle name, he killed a black man. Not that it makes a difference, but it fits with the alleged perpetrator's description - walk into a "Jewish" museum and shoot the first black guy you see. Lovely.

I hope they throw the book at him, and then put him in with the general population.

Totally OT, and meaning no disrespect to Officer Johns--why is "Tyrone" such a distinctly black name? I've always wondered.

401 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:06:06pm

re: #394 J.S.

A CNN legal analyst said that the perp (assuming he recovers) could face the death penalty...(federal crime, etc.)

At his age, even if he regrettably recovers, with all the appeals, I doubt he would ever get it before he dies of natural causes.

402 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:06:07pm

re: #382 Honorary Yooper

I think she needs those folks from "What Not To Wear" to stop by The White House sometime soon.

She looks like she's was playing dress-up with her little girls, then through on a sweater to answer the door.

403 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:06:11pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

Good Lord. The woman has a nice figure, but you can't do fussy when you're that tall.

NICE FIGURE?....WHAT?
sorry

404 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:06:17pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

I finally made the top 10 and bottom 10 comments on the same ! Victory!

What's even more bizzare is that Space Jesus has a top ten comment.
And WTF is Osama bin Asshat?

405 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:06:31pm

re: #398 Eowyn2

Kinda like being Irish Catholic.

Jewish Jew. OK.

406 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:06:43pm

re: #390 callahan23

Hello Callahan.
You doing okay today?

407 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:07:15pm
408 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:07:28pm

re: #342 DistantThunder

Bill Ayers was filthy rich - father the CEO of ConEd.

anarchist with the intelligence to find someone to blame.

409 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:08:02pm

re: #392 snowcrash

Too many ribbons and flowers draws the eye to the widest part of her. Unflattering. She is young and wants to have fun with fashion but she needs some guidance.

She's First Lady. She needs to go for dignity and refinement, not fun. But, with the right accessories, she can add fun.

410 opnion  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:08:26pm

re: #403 albusteve

NICE FIGURE?....WHAT?
sorry

Yeah, I don't see it either & it's not just because I consider her a bitter racist , now on some weird charm offensive.

411 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:08:29pm

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

412 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:08:32pm

re: #394 J.S.

A CNN legal analyst said that the perp (assuming he recovers) could face the death penalty...(federal crime, etc.)

I sure as hell hope so. Just walking around with a long gun in D.C. is probably enough to earn him jail time that would cover the rest of his natural life, never mind bigotry-aggravated murder.

I'm sick of seeing people get away with this kind of thing. If he doesn't get the needle, he'll have years to run his websites from prison.

413 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:08:41pm

re: #403 albusteve

NICE FIGURE?....WHAT?
sorry

Sorry, I think Michelle looks good--her clothes are little weird, though.

414 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:08:50pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Thanks to you and the rest of the Lizard army. I couldn't have done it without you guys.

When you post something really controversial, I just skim past it.
Have I failed you?

/teasing

415 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:08:52pm

re: #339 doppelganglander

He might have even added the "von," as Claus von Bulow did, to make himself appear more aristocratic.

The "von" part is legit. I found a 1930 census with him listed on it at Ancestry.

416 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:09:21pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

Not the first right wing extremist who's been a member either.

417 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:09:38pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

WTF? Where else, I wonder.

418 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:09:51pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

Didn't see that coming!

/not really.

"I wonder what his Kos Freeper handle was"

419 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:09:55pm

re: #406 DEZes

Hello Callahan.
You doing okay today?

Yep, today is a good day. How are you doing?

I had to bail out early yesterday evening. A friend called me who hadn't heard of my split-up yet.

420 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:09:56pm

re: #392 snowcrash

Too many ribbons and flowers draws the eye to the widest part of her. Unflattering. She is young and wants to have fun with fashion but she needs some guidance.

If that's trendy, I'm happy to be unfashionable.

421 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:10:14pm

And why is she wearing that dress over her Klingon pants?

422 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:10:29pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

Free Republic is the Democratic Underground of the right-wing blogosphere. A lot of loons, nuts, and crazies seem to inhabit it.

423 calcajun  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:10:30pm

re: #350 MandyManners

Stay away from Delta Force chiropractors, too.

Not to mention the SEAL chiropodists. Those guys are mean with a pair of navy clippers.

424 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:10:37pm

North Korea Deserves the Diplomacy of Silence
By EDWARD N. LUTTWAK

In recent weeks, North Korea has detonated a nuclear bomb and violated U.N. Security Council prohibitions by launching ballistic missiles. It has threatened war against South Korea, repudiating the July 1953 armistice agreement and thus ostensibly reverting to a state of war with the United States. It has also sentenced two American journalists -- Euna Lee and Laura Ling -- to 12 years in a labor camp.

These are extreme provocations. Only a military attack could exceed them. Our response, of course, must be diplomatic. But only a very special kind of diplomacy can yield positive results: a diplomacy of silence.

Under it, no communications whatever would be sent to the North Korean regime, there would be no informal dialogues with any North Korean diplomats anywhere, and, above all, no attempt would be made to renew negotiations in any format.

425 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:10:38pm

re: #394 J.S.

A CNN legal analyst said that the perp (assuming he recovers) could face the death penalty...(federal crime, etc.)

I wonder if he has a Jewish doctor?

426 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:10:42pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

and so it goes....maybe it was pre meditated, maybe he was urged on to do it....what a crazy world...karma means something to me

427 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:10:43pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally OT, and meaning no disrespect to Officer Johns--why is "Tyrone" such a distinctly black name? I've always wondered.

I went to highschool with a Tyrone. White boy.
We called him "shoe laces"
as in
Ty ur own

428 calcajun  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:11:22pm

re: #394 J.S.

A CNN legal analyst said that the perp (assuming he recovers) could face the death penalty...(federal crime, etc.)

He's 88 for pete's sake. He'll be dead before he makes it to trial.

429 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:11:25pm

re: #415 Wendya

The "von" part is legit. I found a 1930 census with him listed on it at Ancestry.

Thanks for doing the research. Does it indicate where he grew up, what his parents did for a living or anything?

430 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:11:36pm

re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, I think Michelle looks good--her clothes are little weird, though.

I'm blind in one eye and don't see out of the other...I've heard rumors tho

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:11:43pm

re: #427 Eowyn2

I went to highschool with a Tyrone. White boy.
We called him "shoe laces"
as in
Ty ur own

Tyrone Power was a white guy, no?

432 J.S.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:11:48pm

re: #425 SixDegrees

O the irony!

433 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #401 Nevergiveup

At his age, even if he regrettably recovers, with all the appeals, I doubt he would ever get it before he dies of natural causes.

If you are convicted and given the death penalty in Federal Court you don't get a Californiaesque 800 appeals and 27 years to write children's books about how you changed.

McVeigh was convicted in 1997 and the sentence was carried out in 2001. It's possible this guy would live to face it if he's convicted and sentenced to death.

434 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:12:06pm

re: #419 callahan23

Yep, today is a good day. How are you doing?

I had to bail out early yesterday evening. A friend called me who hadn't heard of my split-up yet.

I'm doing okay, But I will bail out early tonight, have work to do, but I am procrastinating.

435 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:12:06pm

re: #417 MandyManners

WTF? Where else, I wonder.

Good question. He could've been on several different ones. There's enough crazy to go around.

436 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:12:18pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

Good Lord. The woman has a nice figure, but you can't do fussy when you're that tall.

Absolutely. Frilly and frou-frou do not work when you're over 5'10".

437 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:12:23pm

re: #420 doppelganglander

If that's trendy, I'm happy to be unfashionable.

Fashion.


438 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:12:43pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

Especially if he posted anything about his plans.

439 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:12:54pm

re: #433 ArchangelMichael

If you are convicted and given the death penalty in Federal Court you don't get a Californiaesque 800 appeals and 27 years to write children's books about how you changed.

McVeigh was convicted in 1997 and the sentence was carried out in 2001. It's possible this guy would live to face it if he's convicted and sentenced to death.

Maybe, but they might have to push into the death chamber in a wheel chair?

440 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:13:25pm

re: #438 jcm

Especially if he posted anything about his plans.

Anyone up to wading through the toxic waste of Free Republic to find out?

441 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:13:57pm

re: #435 Honorary Yooper

Good question. He could've been on several different ones. There's enough crazy to go around.

Please stay out of my mind. I know you people are reading it to see what I think after you beam your ideas into it.

442 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:14:14pm

re: #436 Wendya

Absolutely. Frilly and frou-frou do not work when you're over 5'10".

The bottom part of that dress looks like a piñata.

443 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:14:28pm

re: #431 SanFranciscoZionist

Tyrone Power was a white guy, no?

There are a few names that have become very popular in the black community while almost dying out among whites. My dad had one of those names (not Tyrone).

444 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:14:44pm

re: #439 Nevergiveup

Maybe, but they might have to push into the death chamber in a wheel chair?

Why not? That'll be a first of.

445 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:14:55pm

re: #436 Wendya

Absolutely. Frilly and frou-frou do not work when you're over 5'10".

Frilly and frou-frou don't belong on a first lady in public.

446 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:15:03pm

re: #437 MandyManners

David Bowie?!
Yuck!

/why'd I think it might be Claudia Schiffer?

447 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:15:18pm

re: #440 Honorary Yooper

Anyone up to wading through the toxic waste of Free Republic to find out?

my curiosity factor is zero

448 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:15:22pm

re: #424 Kenneth

North Korea Deserves the Diplomacy of Silence
By EDWARD N. LUTTWAK

Not a bad suggestion. Similar to the act of Shunning practiced (I think) by the Amish against their most serious transgressors.

Kimmy's trying another shakedown with the new Administration. Time to show him it isn't going to work. A war is the last thing he wants.

449 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:15:37pm

re: #417 MandyManners

The rumor is that he was posting on Free Republic as "wannabegeek" since about 2006. He was pretty tech savvy for such an old guy.

450 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:15:40pm

re: #444 callahan23

Why not? That'll be a first of.

I got not objection. Although rolling him in might be more fun?

451 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:15:44pm

WTF?

48 hour rule on this one for sure.

Miranda Rights for Terrorists

The Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. “The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement. Here’s the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today – foreign fighters who go to another country to kill Americans. We capture them…and they’re reading them their rights – Mirandizing these foreign fighters,” says Representative Mike Rogers, who recently met with military, intelligence and law enforcement officials on a fact-finding trip to Afghanistan.


HT Mark Levin

Treating terrorism as a LE problem was one of the factors leading to 9/11.

452 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:16:04pm

re: #440 Honorary Yooper

Anyone up to wading through the toxic waste of Free Republic to find out?

I dont own a hazmat suit, sorry.

453 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:16:05pm

re: #442 HelloDare

The bottom part of that dress looks like a piñata.

And, it draws attention to her thighs and her butt.

454 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:16:10pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

"wannabegeek" (google cache)

455 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:16:27pm

re: #441 MandyManners

Please stay out of my mind. I know you people are reading it to see what I think after you beam your ideas into it.

The plan was to give you a Vulcan mind melt and post the results on the Internet..
Just relax Mandy this will only take a sec.....AHHHHHHH! Make it Stop!
// {MM}

456 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:16:31pm

re: #439 Nevergiveup

Maybe, but they might have to push into the death chamber in a wheel chair?

Because of his age, it would not surprise me if the jury does not recommend the death penalty and just goes for life.

457 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:16:53pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

Not a member but someone did post a link to one of his nirther type screeds that got a couple hundred comments.

458 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:16:56pm

re: #447 albusteve

my curiosity factor is zero

Mine too, but I'm also wondering if this is case where avoidance is healthy psychologically.

459 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:17:12pm

re: #440 Honorary Yooper

Anyone up to wading through the toxic waste of Free Republic to find out?

I haven't been there in a long time. I like blogging in my jammies not a hazmat suit.

460 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #448 SixDegrees

Not a bad suggestion. Similar to the act of Shunning practiced (I think) by the Amish against their most serious transgressors.

Kimmy's trying another shakedown with the new Administration. Time to show him it isn't going to work. A war is the last thing he wants.

I suggested hitting the first test last fall right on the pad then saying absolutely nothing...I was serious...feeding this guy pablum is what he wants

461 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:17:35pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

He was pretty tech savvy for such an old guy.

WATCH IT!

/*grin*

462 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:18:11pm

re: #432 J.S.

O the irony!

If it were me, I'd be tempted to circumcise him if he wasn't already, just to give him a little surprise when he woke up.

463 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:18:11pm

re: #438 jcm

Especially if he posted anything about his plans.

Every time some right wing nutcase rears their ugly head, DU and Kos immediately claim they were a member of FR. There's only one instance I know of where that's true and he ended up being banned.

464 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:18:21pm

re: #446 pre-Boomer Marine brat

David Bowie?!
Yuck!

/why'd I think it might be Claudia Schiffer?

You no like David?

465 albusteve  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:18:56pm

re: #458 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mine too, but I'm also wondering if this is case where avoidance is healthy psychologically.

ask Killgore...he knows all that stuff

466 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:19:01pm

re: #439 Nevergiveup

Maybe, but they might have to push into the death chamber in a wheel chair?

That's OK with me. I support the Americans With Disabilities Act.

467 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:19:09pm

re: #455 HoosierHoops

The plan was to give you a Vulcan mind melt and post the results on the Internet..
Just relax Mandy this will only take a sec.....AHHHHHHH! Make it Stop!
// {MM}

Stay outta there Hoops, unless you wanna see Johnny Depp nekkid. ;)

468 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:19:19pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

The rumor is that he was posting on Free Republic as "wannabegeek" since about 2006. He was pretty tech savvy for such an old guy.

Wow. When he was born, rotary phones weren't around, were they?

469 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:20:12pm

re: #458 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mine too, but I'm also wondering if this is case where avoidance is healthy psychologically.

CHICKEN, cluck cluck!

/// ;-P

*waves & ducks*

470 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:20:33pm
471 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:20:48pm

re: #461 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm only 40 and I feel like I can't keep up with technology anymore. If I make it to 60 I'm going to be completely out of the loop.

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:20:56pm

re: #443 doppelganglander

There are a few names that have become very popular in the black community while almost dying out among whites. My dad had one of those names (not Tyrone).

I love name-related stuff--when they're popular, why, with whom...

473 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:20:57pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally OT, and meaning no disrespect to Officer Johns--why is "Tyrone" such a distinctly black name? I've always wondered.

I can't say. It just is. I know that some segments of black culture flat-out make up names that "sound" African out of thin air, and of course a lot of black people with Carribean roots have African names which were eventually expressed into English and/or French. Sometimes a name just ends up being "a black person's name" somehow. There are probably entire college courses dedicated to studying that kind of thing, too.

My first name is an example. I've been told flat-out by several black people on different occasions that "You're the first white person I've ever met with that name". I find that interesting since I'm the whitest guy alive, and my parents had very, very white Protestant European reasons for giving me the name they did. I had no idea it was a "black" name until several folks of color told me.

Language, naming, and culture can be funny sometimes.

474 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:21:04pm
475 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:21:28pm

re: #468 MandyManners

I think so but they were probably fairly new.

476 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:21:28pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Lot's of traffic to LGF from Free Republic this afternoon. They have much bigger problems on their hands than Charles. There's a report that the killer was a regular member there.

Oh, well.

477 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:21:43pm

Forbes Mag says that the gunman had tried to take Paul Volcker Hostage

"A man complaining of the high interest rates and inflation threatened to take members of the Federal Reserve Board hostage today but was arrested without any shots being fired." The UPI article identified the weapon as a 38 caliber pistol. An abstract of a New York Times article from that day says that van Brunn was "disarmed after waving gun at security guard in Federal Reserve building in Washington."

According to the Factiva news database, there was no further mainstream press coverage of von Brunn's attempt on the Federal Reserve, the charges that were brought against him or his trial. According to the Bureau of Prisons Inmate Locator, he was held in Federal Prison until Sept. 15, 1989.

Waving a gun. Irrational plan. Sounds like mental illness.

478 opnion  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:21:48pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

Kilgore just promise that you are not going to allege that this guy is a tea party goer. Come on, promise.

479 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:21:49pm

re: #464 MandyManners

PFFFFFFFFTT!

480 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:22:12pm

Gotta' finish dinner.

481 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:22:22pm

re: #453 MandyManners

And, it draws attention to her thighs and her butt.

Speaking of which...

First lady got back

But what really thrills me, what really feels liberating in a very personal way, is the official new prominence of Michelle Obama. Barack's better half not only has stature but is statuesque. She has coruscating intelligence, beauty, style and -- drumroll, please -- a butt. Yes, you read that right: I'm going to talk about the first lady's butt.

...Michelle strode onto more stages and people started focusing on her clothes and presence instead of her patriotism, it dawned on me -- good God, she has a butt! "Obama’s baby (mama) got back," wrote one feminist blogger. "OMG, her butt is humongous!" went a typical comment on one African-American online forum, and while it isn't humongous, per se, it is a solid, round, black, class-A boo-tay. Try as Michelle might to cover it with those Mamie Eisenhower skirts and sheath dresses meant to reassure mainstream voters, the butt would not be denied.

482 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:22:28pm

re: #422 Honorary Yooper

Free Republic is the Democratic Underground of the right-wing blogosphere. A lot of loons, nuts, and crazies seem to inhabit it.

Absolutely. Those seem to be the sites where the outliers on each end of the political spectrum can be found. Not every member of each is necessarily insane-- I assume, I don't hang out on either--but the crazies can be found infesting each.

483 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:22:30pm

re: #445 MandyManners

Frilly and frou-frou don't belong on a first lady in public.

I think Laura Bush, say, could get away with a little more of it, just based on size. But not that weird tunic with the flowers. You have to be fifteen for that to work.

484 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:23:07pm

re: #467 DEZes

Stay outta there Hoops, unless you wanna see Johnny Depp nekkid. ;)

I got a Vulcan melt once..Spock keep singing..
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles and miles..oh yea...

485 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:24:06pm

re: #469 jcm

CHICKEN, cluck cluck!

/// ;-P

*waves & ducks*

I AIN'T GOT NO ****ING HAZMAT SUIT !

*waves back*

486 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:24:29pm
487 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:24:54pm

re: #465 albusteve

ask Killgore...he knows all that stuff

*snicker*
Point taken.

/teasing Killgore

488 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:25:45pm

Would the women like to weight in on this?

The 10 Hottest New Media Guys On The Right

489 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:26:11pm

I have to say, as much as I thought Michelle Obama would be horrible as a first lady, when she's wearing the right clothes and she doesn't have that "I want to murder you and drink your blood" look in her eyes, she looks damned good up there.

(That's the big problem with those two, really, is they're made for Television and pretty much nothing else.)

490 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:26:19pm

re: #478 opnion

Kilgore just promise that you are not going to allege that this guy is a tea party goer. Come on, promise.


I did check but didn't find anything. There are going to be a lot more incidents like this. The Tea Party leadership failed to denounce participation from White Nationalists after the ADL press release. They're going to attend. If this goes on long enough it's entirely possible that the next terrorist will have participated in a Tea Party or left comments on a Tea Party blog. Associating with Paulians, Truther, Neonazis, etc, is likely to produce consequences.

491 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:26:28pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

I got a Vulcan melt once..

A Vulcan Melt? Did it come which a choice of Plomeek Soup or Sarek Salad?

492 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:26:52pm

re: #491 ArchangelMichael

with not which..... PIMF

493 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:27:04pm

re: #491 ArchangelMichael

A Vulcan Melt? Did it come which a choice of Plomeek Soup or Sarek Salad?

I like cole slaw!
:)

494 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:27:07pm

re: #477 DistantThunder

Waving a gun. Irrational plan. Sounds like mental illness.

Come on, that's deep tactical thinking for the Ronulan crowd. :)

495 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:27:18pm

More from the Forbes article

He says he "cased" the building twice, getting to know a security guard. His goal was to tie up then-Federal Reserve Board Chairman Paul Volcker and get on television. When he made his attempt, the guard he had gotten to know stopped and disarmed him. von Brunn says that he later refused plea bargains, hoping to get his trial televised. After he was convicted, the Navy veteran and former Mensa member wrote to the Secretary of the Navy for help in earning a presidential pardon, which never came to light.
496 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:28:06pm

re: #491 ArchangelMichael

A Vulcan Melt? Did it come which a choice of Plomeek Soup or Sarek Salad?

Good one.
The closest I came was that I went to Leonard Nimoy's father's barbershop.

497 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:28:16pm

re: #471 Killgore Trout

I'm only 40 and I feel like I can't keep up with technology anymore. If I make it to 60 I'm going to be completely out of the loop.

I know what you mean. I'm reasonably tech-savvy, but am so anti-technolust in my personal life that, in many respects, I'm utterly ignorant.

I have no idea what I-Macs and I-Pods are, and I don't give a damn.

heh

498 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:28:17pm

re: #477 DistantThunder

Forbes Mag says that the gunman had tried to take Paul Volcker Hostage

Waving a gun. Irrational plan. Sounds like mental illness.

Improper use of the weapon, they aren't for waving.
/////

Thank God the guy was a chump and no one was hurt.

499 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:28:36pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

I did check but didn't find anything. There are going to be a lot more incidents like this. The Tea Party leadership failed to denounce participation from White Nationalists after the ADL press release. They're going to attend. If this goes on long enough it's entirely possible that the next terrorist will have participated in a Tea Party or left comments on a Tea Party blog. Associating with Paulians, Truther, Neonazis, etc, is likely to produce consequences.

Without screening each attendant, how can you keep out people that are mentally ill?

500 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:28:38pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

I got a Vulcan melt once..Spock keep singing..
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles and miles..oh yea...

Thought the 1st time was a typo, but the geeks are gonna get ya.
Its meld. ;)

501 opnion  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:28:59pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

I did check but didn't find anything. There are going to be a lot more incidents like this. The Tea Party leadership failed to denounce participation from White Nationalists after the ADL press release. They're going to attend. If this goes on long enough it's entirely possible that the next terrorist will have participated in a Tea Party or left comments on a Tea Party blog. Associating with Paulians, Truther, Neonazis, etc, is likely to produce consequences.

Kilgore, honest to God I was kidding.
You really did try to find a link?

502 Silvergirl  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:29:01pm

re: #468 MandyManners

Wow. When he was born, rotary phones weren't around, were they?

If we can say rotary means a little crank on the side.

503 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:29:27pm

re: #485 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I AIN'T GOT NO ****ING HAZMAT SUIT !

*waves back*

LOL!

504 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #501 opnion

Kilgore, honest to God I was kidding.
You really did try to find a link?

Of course he did.

505 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:29:33pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

I got a Vulcan melt once..Spock keep singing..
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles and miles..oh yea...

Something of the other Spock, the real Leonard Nimoy singing. (HoosierHoops)


/ Well, talking actually.
506 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:30:31pm

re: #497 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I know what you mean. I'm reasonably tech-savvy, but am so anti-technolust in my personal life that, in many respects, I'm utterly ignorant.

I have no idea what I-Macs and I-Pods are, and I don't give a damn.

heh

Re: the iPod - iPods are just like a Walkman, except electronic, and they hold the equivalent of dozens of cassette tapes instead of just one, and they're about the size of a segment of a Graham cracker.

iMacs are just small, cute computers.

507 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:30:42pm
508 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:31:32pm

re: #500 DEZes

Thought the 1st time was a typo, but the geeks are gonna get ya.
Its meld. ;)

Uh ho..I have an excuse..I never watched star trek/war/scifi/geek movies...
Plus I never figured out that galaxy traveler movie and if you are living in middle earth..I'm just not feeling you.. LOL
Hi DEz! Guess where I am going next week? I hope..

509 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:31:37pm

re: #459 jcm

I haven't been there in a long time. I like blogging in my jammies not a hazmat suit.

re: #440 Honorary Yooper

Anyone up to wading through the toxic waste of Free Republic to find out?

It's not that bad on the whole. The mods step on neo-nazi and overtly racist posts, as well as threats of violence, so it is likely that the old bastard was concealing his real agenda in his posts. They do put up with anti-Obama craziness (nirtherism, closet muslim, etc) as well as Paulism and monetary conspiracism though. Maybe they will learn from this that crazy shit can attract some really crazy flies.

510 Wendya  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:31:50pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

I did check but didn't find anything. There are going to be a lot more incidents like this. The Tea Party leadership failed to denounce participation from White Nationalists after the ADL press release. They're going to attend. If this goes on long enough it's entirely possible that the next terrorist will have participated in a Tea Party or left comments on a Tea Party blog. Associating with Paulians, Truther, Neonazis, etc, is likely to produce consequences.

Ohhh... they might wear underwear too and then we can claim people who wear underwear are potential terrorists!

////

511 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:31:57pm

re: #505 callahan23

Something of the other Spock, the real Leonard Nimoy singing. (HoosierHoops)

[Video]
/ Well, talking actually.

He and Capt. Kirk should do a duet album.

512 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:32:02pm

re: #502 Silvergirl

If we can say rotary means a little crank on the side.

The dial phone was in use by 1919, so he would have seen them while he was still young.

513 Dianna  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:32:41pm

I'm out. Goodnight!

514 KronoGhazi  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:32:44pm

re: #481 Kenneth

Another Hopenosis victim.

515 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:33:31pm

re: #308 Occasional Reader

Is it related to those knights?

The knights who say NI! to the NWO, perhaps.

516 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:33:39pm

re: #511 jcm

He and Capt. Kirk should do a duet album.

[Video]

I hope that wasn't Shatner doing
Lucy.... In the skies..... with DIAmonds
Spock....McCoy... I want ANSWERS!

517 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:34:01pm

Hey Cato (the elder) are you around? Thought of you when I saw this. It could be for any Kindle owners. Funny. Check out the aromas available.

518 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:34:14pm

re: #495 DistantThunder

More from the Forbes article

So he's looking for publicity, particularly airtime.

Good to know. I hope the media has the good sense to ignore him and deny him his fondest wish.

519 lobo91  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:34:30pm

re: #433 ArchangelMichael

If you are convicted and given the death penalty in Federal Court you don't get a Californiaesque 800 appeals and 27 years to write children's books about how you changed.

McVeigh was convicted in 1997 and the sentence was carried out in 2001. It's possible this guy would live to face it if he's convicted and sentenced to death.

Wrong.

The reason McVeigh was executed so quickly is because he waived his right to appeals, and asked to have his sentence carried out.

Had he not done that, I absolutely guarantee you that he'd still be sitting in a cell breathing at taxpayers' expense today.

520 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:34:32pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops

Uh ho..I have an excuse..I never watched star trek/war/scifi/geek movies...
Plus I never figured out that galaxy traveler movie and if you are living in middle earth..I'm just not feeling you.. LOL
Hi DEz! Guess where I am going next week? I hope..

The track?

521 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:34:56pm

re: #346 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I should have been more explicit in my original comment.
Public condemnation. "For the Record."

As I did say, I wasn't criticizing or prejudging them.
I believe they ARE horrified by it.
The point is, do they see a necessity for nipping it in the bud?

Thanks for answering.

It's not like this guy was a regular Joe Republican or anything, though. He was a racist, anti-Semitic nut. I doubt he would have decided not to do this if only the GOP leadership had said something the last time something like this (thankfully extremely rare) event happened.

Do you see what I'm saying?

522 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:35:44pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

I did check but didn't find anything. There are going to be a lot more incidents like this. The Tea Party leadership failed to denounce participation from White Nationalists after the ADL press release. They're going to attend. If this goes on long enough it's entirely possible that the next terrorist will have participated in a Tea Party or left comments on a Tea Party blog. Associating with Paulians, Truther, Neonazis, etc, is likely to produce consequences.

While I don't go as far as you do re this, I have come to agree that it's a serious potential problem.

This lies at the center of my comment upstairs about the GOP leadership needing to denounce violent extremism. If they don't, they'll find it slithering around underneath the bed.

523 opnion  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:36:07pm

re: #510 Wendya

Ohhh... they might wear underwear too and then we can claim people who wear underwear are potential terrorists!

////

That's the point, the Tea Parties are held in public space. How do you bar people, how would you even know who they are?
Planning sessions are a different matter.
I saw the group in Chicago & they did not seem like a rabid group of Right Wing zealots. A lot of them were suburban house wives who parked the mini-van at the train & came downtown.

524 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:37:13pm

re: #520 DEZes

The track?


Nah..I need to relax..Flying up to the Cabin at Lake tomahawk and fishing for a few days... I like the quietness of the Lake early in the Morning with Bald Eagles flying overhead...I need to recharge the batteries.

525 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:37:30pm

re: #511 jcm

He and Capt. Kirk should do a duet album.

Both appear on Golden Throats, but not together. Shatner does his famous rendition of "Tambourine Man," while Nimoy entrances with "Proud Mary."

It's a lot like listening to Vogon poetry.

526 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:37:44pm

NBC reports that former SecDef William Cohen and his wife were inside the museum at the time of the shooting. Cohen was interviewed briefly. He indicated there was quite a bit of shooting. NBC also reports there were a dozen or more places on the target list found in Brunn's car, including the National Cathedral.

527 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:37:47pm
528 J.S.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:38:53pm

re: #473 Pawn of the Oppressor

I recall that book written back in 2005 by those 2 economists -- "Freakonomics" -- in chapter 6 they discussed "The socioeconomic patterns of naming children."

529 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:38:55pm

re: #510 Wendya

Ohhh... they might wear underwear too and then we can claim people who wear underwear are potential terrorists!

////

Mohamed Atta directed his fellow terrorists to wear multiple pairs of underwear on the morning of 9-11.

Just sayin'.

530 jcm  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:38:56pm

re: #516 Kosh's Shadow

I hope that wasn't Shatner doing
Lucy.... In the skies..... with DIAmonds
Spock....McCoy... I want ANSWERS!

Rocket Man.......

531 neocon hippie  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:39:13pm

re: #473 Pawn of the Oppressor

Is your name Leroy?

532 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:40:09pm

re: #527 buzzsawmonkey

Walt Disney's Thong of the South has already been condemned as racist.

Wasn't that featured in the Dukes of Hazard movie?

533 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:40:49pm

re: #501 opnion

Kilgore, honest to God I was kidding.
You really did try to find a link?

Yup, his anti-fed "activism" meant that it was an easy guess that he was a Paulian so that meant he might have been into the Tea Party thing. I didn't find anything. The abortion doctor killer was an anti-Tax nut in the past. The Tea Party crowd is very lucky he moved moved on from that a decade ago. The guy who went nuts in Philly a couple months ago was a Glenn Beck fan. These are all small attacks. Imagine a terrorist event on the order of Tim McVeigh or 9-11 and the terrorists get associated with the Tea Parties or Ron Paul. It would be devastating.
A few weeks ago one of the al Qaeda videos mentioned making an alliance with American White nationalists. Many over at stormfront thought it was a spiffy idea. It's not completely unlikely that something big could happen.

534 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:41:06pm

re: #521 capitalist piglet

I doubt he would have decided not to do this if only the GOP leadership had said something the last time something like this (thankfully extremely rare) event happened.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Absolutely, and I agree 100%. My intention upstairs was protection of the Party, not the curing of insanity.

535 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:41:22pm

re: #524 HoosierHoops

Nah..I need to relax..Flying up to the Cabin at Lake tomahawk and fishing for a few days... I like the quietness of the Lake early in the Morning with Bald Eagles flying overhead...I need to recharge the batteries.

Lucky bastidge. ;)

536 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:42:19pm

re: #528 J.S.

I recall that book written back in 2005 by those 2 economists -- "Freakonomics" -- in chapter 6 they discussed "The socioeconomic patterns of naming children."

Huh, that sounds really interesting. It makes sense in an abstract way; the names we have (and give our children) are markers of socio-economic status and often serve as aspirational markers as well-- children are given names that reflect the class that their parents want them to belong to. Names are also ways of transmitting cultural status markers.

Sounds very interesting!

537 opnion  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:43:14pm

re: #533 Killgore Trout

Yup, his anti-fed "activism" meant that it was an easy guess that he was a Paulian so that meant he might have been into the Tea Party thing. I didn't find anything. The abortion doctor killer was an anti-Tax nut in the past. The Tea Party crowd is very lucky he moved moved on from that a decade ago. The guy who went nuts in Philly a couple months ago was a Glenn Beck fan. These are all small attacks. Imagine a terrorist event on the order of Tim McVeigh or 9-11 and the terrorists get associated with the Tea Parties or Ron Paul. It would be devastating.
A few weeks ago one of the al Qaeda videos mentioned making an alliance with American White nationalists. Many over at stormfront thought it was a spiffy idea. It's not completely unlikely that something big could happen.

I would not compare Stormfront with Tea Parties. Do some kooks show up sure, but mostly they seem like solid people trying to make a point.

538 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:43:28pm

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

I love name-related stuff--when they're popular, why, with whom...

I do too. I neglected to mention my younger brother's "roommate" in the preemie unit when he was born in the early '70s: Tyrone Jerome Jones. It really rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?

/Tyrone, if you're reading this, no offense.

539 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:44:44pm

re: #531 neocon hippie

Is your name Leroy?

No, it's more English than that. I won't give details since I keep LGF and my professional life as separate as possible.

540 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:45:01pm

re: #533 Killgore Trout

Yup, his anti-fed "activism" meant that it was an easy guess that he was a Paulian so that meant he might have been into the Tea Party thing. I didn't find anything. The abortion doctor killer was an anti-Tax nut in the past. The Tea Party crowd is very lucky he moved moved on from that a decade ago. The guy who went nuts in Philly a couple months ago was a Glenn Beck fan. These are all small attacks. Imagine a terrorist event on the order of Tim McVeigh or 9-11 and the terrorists get associated with the Tea Parties or Ron Paul. It would be devastating.
A few weeks ago one of the al Qaeda videos mentioned making an alliance with American White nationalists. Many over at stormfront thought it was a spiffy idea. It's not completely unlikely that something big could happen.

The fundamental point has merit.

541 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:45:05pm

re: #535 DEZes

Lucky bastidge. ;)

You are a local boy.. I spend a week a month at the Cabin till November..
It's a pretty cool place...We'll have to get you up there for a few days this year...It's lots of fun...

542 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:45:06pm

re: #522 pre-Boomer Marine brat

While I don't go as far as you do re this, I have come to agree that it's a serious potential problem.

This lies at the center of my comment upstairs about the GOP leadership needing to denounce violent extremism. If they don't, they'll find it slithering around underneath the bed.

This freak wasn't a Republican, was he? More likely a third-party nut.

543 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:45:22pm

re: #536 iceweasel

Huh, that sounds really interesting. It makes sense in an abstract way; the names we have (and give our children) are markers of socio-economic status and often serve as aspirational markers as well-- children are given names that reflect the class that their parents want them to belong to. Names are also ways of transmitting cultural status markers.

Sounds very interesting!

Also interesting when the markers don't cross over. My English friends think of "Chelsea" as a hard-core white-trash name, and couldn't understand why the Clintons chose it. To me, it shouts "child of yuppies".

544 irongrampa  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:45:30pm

re: #361 Thanos

Which pet social issues are you referring to?

No snark, I value your opinions, and would like hearing your view on this.

545 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:45:36pm

re: #496 Kosh's Shadow

Good one.
The closest I came was that I went to Leonard Nimoy's father's barbershop.

If you come to Dragon*Con this year, Mr. Nimoy will be in attendance.

546 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:45:58pm

re: #524 HoosierHoops

Nah..I need to relax..Flying up to the Cabin at Lake tomahawk and fishing for a few days... I like the quietness of the Lake early in the Morning with Bald Eagles flying overhead...I need to recharge the batteries.

Aahh, I so envy you. In a positive sense, of course.
To be out and about in nature, mmh. It is gonna be a long time till I'll have that pleasure again.

547 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:46:25pm

re: #541 HoosierHoops

You are a local boy.. I spend a week a month at the Cabin till November..
It's a pretty cool place...We'll have to get you up there for a few days this year...It's lots of fun...

sounds great. ;)

548 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:46:34pm

re: #533 Killgore Trout

Yup, his anti-fed "activism" meant that it was an easy guess that he was a Paulian so that meant he might have been into the Tea Party thing. I didn't find anything. The abortion doctor killer was an anti-Tax nut in the past. The Tea Party crowd is very lucky he moved moved on from that a decade ago. The guy who went nuts in Philly a couple months ago was a Glenn Beck fan. These are all small attacks. Imagine a terrorist event on the order of Tim McVeigh or 9-11 and the terrorists get associated with the Tea Parties or Ron Paul. It would be devastating.
A few weeks ago one of the al Qaeda videos mentioned making an alliance with American White nationalists. Many over at stormfront thought it was a spiffy idea. It's not completely unlikely that something big could happen.

It's a real possibility. If nothing else, neo-nazis will be eager to tap into some of AQ's oil-tick money.

549 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:47:09pm

re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist

Also interesting when the markers don't cross over. My English friends think of "Chelsea" as a hard-core white-trash name, and couldn't understand why the Clintons chose it. To me, it shouts "child of yuppies".

One of the points made in "Freakonomics" is that upper SES names tend to roll down to the lower orders. Tiffany, Amber and Brittany were once high-status names before they landed in the trailer park top 10.

550 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:47:18pm

re: #547 DEZes

sounds great. ;)

My nic is blue..Give me a ping friend...

551 neocon hippie  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:47:26pm

To get a good idea of modern African-American naming practices, look at any NBA or NFL roster.

553 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:48:38pm

re: #546 callahan23

Aahh, I so envy you. In a positive sense, of course.
To be out and about in nature, mmh. It is gonna be a long time till I'll have that pleasure again.

You cant go outside?

554 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:48:51pm
555 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:48:59pm

re: #537 opnion

I would not compare Stormfront with Tea Parties. Do some kooks show up sure, but mostly they seem like solid people trying to make a point.

Not to put words in Kilgore's mouth, but I don't think he's making such a comparison. The problem here is quite real. Any associations between whackjobs like this guy, Roeder or others with the Tea Parties or any other GOP-associated event is going to be trumpeted from the rooftops by the Dems, just as surely as the Republicans would quickly move to claim Cindy Sheehan is the heart and sole of the Democratic party. It's in the GOP's best interest to recognize this potential threat and get out in front of it by denouncing these assholes in no uncertain terms. Get it on the record, and mean it, or it will bite us in the ass big time.

556 J.S.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:49:12pm

re: #536 iceweasel

I didn't agree with all the "spins" (arguments) the authors were proposing (some were pretty controversial)...but, yes, it made for some fascinating reading...wiki article here... (Actually, I found "The Drunkard's Walk" an even more amusing/interesting book...well worth reading...)

557 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:49:30pm

re: #537 opnion

I would not compare Stormfront with Tea Parties. Do some kooks show up sure, but mostly they seem like solid people trying to make a point.

To explain my #540, I agree wholeheartedly that the Tea Party movement is worthy, reasonable and on track.

That said, Killgore's point that it might be hijacked has merit. The Tea Parties are too important to let that happen.

558 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:50:37pm

re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist

Also interesting when the markers don't cross over. My English friends think of "Chelsea" as a hard-core white-trash name, and couldn't understand why the Clintons chose it. To me, it shouts "child of yuppies".

Oh, so true. Good point. I have the same reaction to Chelsea as you also. I guess another point is that our socioeconomic classes and cultural markers here are so diverse... did your English friends consider it white trash, per se? I didn't think the English had a concept that really maps onto our concept of 'white trash', in the same way that we don't have one that maps onto their concept of 'chav'.

559 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:50:41pm

re: #542 capitalist piglet

This freak wasn't a Republican, was he? More likely a third-party nut.

I doubt that he wanted anything to do with the GOP.
Yes, he was most likely a fringe lunatic.

560 DEZes  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:50:49pm

re: #550 HoosierHoops

My nic is blue..Give me a ping friend...

Email sent.

561 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:51:24pm
562 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:52:07pm

re: #555 SixDegrees

Not to put words in Kilgore's mouth, but I don't think he's making such a comparison. The problem here is quite real. Any associations between whackjobs like this guy, Roeder or others with the Tea Parties or any other GOP-associated event is going to be trumpeted from the rooftops by the Dems, just as surely as the Republicans would quickly move to claim Cindy Sheehan is the heart and sole of the Democratic party. It's in the GOP's best interest to recognize this potential threat and get out in front of it by denouncing these assholes in no uncertain terms. Get it on the record, and mean it, or it will bite us in the ass big time.

Precisely

563 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:52:56pm

re: #551 neocon hippie

To get a good idea of modern African-American naming practices, look at any NBA or NFL roster.

That statement bothers me...I rarely down ding a fellow lizard..and I won't you...Please be careful with the Brush....
My Godfather is African-American.. His name is Gene...

564 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:52:57pm

re: #474 HelloDare

This is funny.

I went further into the site, found THIS, and wonder if anyone sees a resembelance.
Title:
"Drowning" (in stimulus...my addition)

565 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:53:01pm
566 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:53:25pm

re: #556 J.S.

Thank you for your reply and the link and rec; I'm going to check it out right now. Cheers!

567 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:54:43pm

re: #533 Killgore Trout

A few weeks ago one of the al Qaeda videos mentioned making an alliance with American White nationalists.

That happened in the 1930s too........

568 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:55:30pm

re: #522 pre-Boomer Marine brat

While I don't go as far as you do re this, I have come to agree that it's a serious potential problem.

This lies at the center of my comment upstairs about the GOP leadership needing to denounce violent extremism. If they don't, they'll find it slithering around underneath the bed.

I have to go, but one last little point I want to make:

I'm no political strategist, but this seems to be a sort of "When did you stop beating your wife?" thing. "When did you stop encouraging racist freaks to commit acts of horrifying violence?"

The answer, of course, is that the GOP does no such thing. So there's nothing to gain by acting as though they do, you know?

If they're asked, of course they'll denounce it. If someone wants to make a statement of sorrow, great - but acting like this is something we, as Republicans, are responsible for in the slightest...bad idea. Because we're not.

See you guys later.

569 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:57:25pm

re: #553 DEZes

You cant go outside?

;-)Sure I can. But to be 'really' out in the wilderness is what I was getting at. I live in a city in a heavily populated part of Europe. To be out of town means here that you've actually reached the next village.
Also my next plans for holidays are all revolving around my trying to find out how to organize a new 'Harry'. Can't afford going to bigger trips in my current situation. And my Vespa desperately needs some repairs, so she is not fit to carry me anywhere near real 'nature'.

570 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:57:58pm

re: #560 DEZes

Email sent.

Pingback! It's fun dude...

571 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:58:13pm
572 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:59:04pm

re: #567 IslandLibertarian

A few weeks ago one of the al Qaeda videos mentioned making an alliance with American White nationalists.

That happened in the 1930s too........

All Qaeda videos mentioned made an alliance with American White nationalists in 1930s?

573 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 3:59:14pm

re: #568 capitalist piglet

I have to go, but one last little point I want to make:

I'm no political strategist, but this seems to be a sort of "When did you stop beating your wife?" thing. "When did you stop encouraging racist freaks to commit acts of horrifying violence?"

The answer, of course, is that the GOP does no such thing. So there's nothing to gain by acting as though they do, you know?

If they're asked, of course they'll denounce it. If someone wants to make a statement of sorrow, great - but acting like this is something we, as Republicans, are responsible for in the slightest...bad idea. Because we're not.

See you guys later.

Sorry. That's NOT the way I meant it at all.

/Have a good one!

574 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:00:11pm

re: #569 callahan23

{callahan} I live in the middle of nowhere. Wildlife walks through my yard. I wish I could send a slice of nowhere to you!

575 Neutral President  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:00:22pm

re: #519 lobo91

Wrong.

The reason McVeigh was executed so quickly is because he waived his right to appeals, and asked to have his sentence carried out.

Had he not done that, I absolutely guarantee you that he'd still be sitting in a cell breathing at taxpayers' expense today.

Here's the last 3 federal executions. Last one before these was in 1963:
Juan Raul Garza Convicted 1993, appealed, executed in 2001
Louis Jones Jr. Convicted 1995, appealed, executed 2003
Timothy McVeigh Convicted 1997, dropped appeal, executed in 2001

The ones that went through the appeals process sat on Federal Death Row for 8 years. McVeigh would not still be rotting in prison.

576 solomonpanting  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:00:32pm
At the request of the U.S. Park Police, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives is tracing the weapon. Under federal law, convicted felons cannot purchase firearms.

They shouldn't murder, either.

577 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:01:19pm

re: #574 wrenchwench

{callahan} I live in the middle of nowhere. Wildlife walks through my yard. I wish I could send a slice of nowhere to you!

Thanks a million {wrenchwench}

578 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:02:37pm

re: #577 callahan23

Thanks a million {wrenchwench}

Of course, then you would owe me a slice of city!

579 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:03:53pm

re: #578 wrenchwench

Of course, then you would owe me a slice of city!


We could sell it on eBay! Buy a slice of the City

580 LGoPs  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:04:47pm

re: #522 pre-Boomer Marine brat

While I don't go as far as you do re this, I have come to agree that it's a serious potential problem.

This lies at the center of my comment upstairs about the GOP leadership needing to denounce violent extremism. If they don't, they'll find it slithering around underneath the bed.

I respectfully disagree. The only party responsible for denouncing this is the Batshit Crazy FuckWad Party....whoever they are. This is a problem that transcends one or the other party. All Americans should be denouncing and shunning this behavior.

581 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:06:03pm

re: #580 LGoPs

I respectfully disagree. The only party responsible for denouncing this is the Batshit Crazy FuckWad Party....whoever they are. This is a problem that transcends one or the other party. All Americans should be denouncing and shunning this behavior.

Good point!

582 callahan23  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:06:07pm

re: #578 wrenchwench

Of course, then you would owe me a slice of city!

Gladly, also if only I could.

583 Green Helmet Guy  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:06:45pm

Museum officials identified the dead guard as Stephen T. Johns, a six-year veteran of the facility. In an e-mail, director Sara Bloomfield said he "died heroically in the line of duty."


Condolences to Stephen T. Johns family. He is a true hero, he gave his life in order to help prevent a massacre. May he rest in peace.

584 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:08:15pm

re: #582 callahan23

Gladly, also if only I could.

Send her candy.

/a Bonn-bon

585 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:09:43pm

Out for the evening.
Everyone have a good night!

586 retief_99  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:10:21pm

re: #37 marinevet
Here, here, no comparison when it comes to the coverage of Pvt. Long. If we think back a few years, we find most white supremacists were not right wing, but left wing, (southern democrats). As far as assassin's political philosophies I think research would show the majority of them in the US were leftists.

587 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 4:46:54pm

re: #517 snowcrash

Hey Cato (the elder) are you around? Thought of you when I saw this. It could be for any Kindle owners. Funny. Check out the aromas available.

That's great. My Luddite brother may like Eau You Have Cats. On the other hand, just leaving the Kindle on his couch overnight might have the same effect.

;^)

588 Stuart Leviton  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 5:15:43pm

Please God, bring comfort and healing to the bereaved family, protect, heal and strengthen our great republic and protect our President and his loved ones, so he may guide our great nation.

May there be much peace from Heaven, and good life
and satiety, and salvation, and comfort, and saving
and healing and redemption and forgiveness and atonement
and relief and deliverance
He who makes peace in His heights
may He make peace upon us
and upon all of America and for all His people Israel
and say, Amen.

589 persiankippah  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 5:22:12pm

I am glad that I made the decision to join the IDF...things like this are just cooking all over the world and I plan to fight it with the only organization that defends Jews worldwide.

590 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 5:39:02pm

re: #368 doppelganglander

That's quite an achievement. The aptly named Osama bin Asshat is giving you a lot of competition in the bottom 10.

The Osama feller has met Stinky, and felt the stick.

591 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 5:51:20pm

I just want to point out that, in Israel, the security guards who sit at the entrances to restaurants, malls, museums, etc. are often the first and sometimes the only casualties of terrorist attacks. I've always tried to remember to say "thank you" before passing through because I know they may be putting themselves on the line at any minute to protect me.

Stephen Tyrone Johns did that today.

I guess we should all remember that the next time we get impatient at the imposition of dealing with security guards that our brave new world now requires almost everywhere.

592 JSHos  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 6:24:31pm

I just keep thinking how sad it is that after 88 years of life, this is the best that this guy could come up with to show for it. Nothing but bitterness and hatred and misery. What an incredible waste of time, energy and flesh.

I thank God for Officer Johns, and pray for peace for his family.

593 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 6:28:12pm

this is a real low life old bastard.
i'm glad he was stopped before he could harm more people.
i hope security is increased and i hope that this vile pos does not succeed in intimidating visitors to the museum.
what a shame that one brave man was killed defending it.
prayers for this hero.

594 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 7:17:01pm

re: #326 Honorary Yooper

I have German Christian and German Jewish relatives. I don't think German = evil. I do think that to a white supremacist, racial and ethnic heritage would be of tremendous importance and pride. That's why I pointed this out.

As I understand it, "von" connotes German nobility unless he affected it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

595 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 7:32:19pm

I haven't read the whole thread to see if someone has already made this point, but I suspect that the apologists for white nationalism are going to cite the man's advanced age as evidence that he was not representative of them. I.e., he's a creature of the past; the new and improved modern White Consciousness Movement (or whatever they call it) doesn't endorse shooting Jooos and Nigras.

596 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 8:18:12pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I'm a little puzzled here. Why is it particularly incumbent on GOP leadership to denounce him?

Good point. Of course the GOP takes the same view today that Eisenhower took: grim fury and a determination to never let the world forget.

Democrats are clean on this score too. As always, and in both parties, with a few scandalous exceptions.

597 iceman  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 8:38:19pm

I am fairly sure that the name of the guard indicates that he was black.

Interestingly in the video of the ambulance removing one of the injured, 4 of the 5 workers were black.

How ironic, the shooter's life may have been saved by the very people he hated.

In a previous comment I noted that the security guard at a synagogue in NYC was black and protecting the mothers and children inside who had parked their strollers outside

598 Flavia  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 9:10:42pm

re: #88 McJenny50

A victim only in that he didn't ASK to be shot.

I disagree - he was begging for it.
And I am so compassionate, that I would go so far as give him part of what he wants: a blazing death - but no glory.

And, for the record, Jews are NOT supposed to forgive our enemies (in general): we are supposed to kill them before they can murder our children.

But, most importantly: May Stephen Tyrone Johns (z'l) rest in peace, and his memory prove a blessing.

599 Ben-ami  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 9:19:52pm

I was just there last month, chaperoning a seventh grade trip to DC.

600 Ben-ami  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 9:21:12pm
As I understand it, "von" connotes German nobility unless he affected it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It was an affectation.

601 Flavia  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 9:27:45pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One hates bankers since they are Jews, the other hates Jews since they are bankers. Crazy logic comes full circle.

Add that they are BOTH stupidly wrong - or just flat-out lying, and the definition is complete.

(Incredibly good description, BTW)

602 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 9:31:34pm

re: #443 doppelganglander

There are a few names that have become very popular in the black community while almost dying out among whites. My dad had one of those names (not Tyrone).

Names of Biblical prophets and patriarchs?

When I was doing genealogy, over in the West Midlands around the early 1800s, I ran into a lot of Josephs, Elijahs, Isaiahs and the like. We do see those names nowadays but, not so much from anyone over the age of 20.

603 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 9:35:15pm

re: #422 Honorary Yooper

Free Republic is the Democratic Underground of the right-wing blogosphere. A lot of loons, nuts, and crazies seem to inhabit it.

Lucianne, too. I remember a commenter there called "Sunflower". Definitely not playing with a full deck of cards.

In the freewheeling days of the 1990s Internet, kookery was considered part of the game. Now that everyone's mom is on the Internet - I think the Freepers, DUers, Lucianners and the rest of them should have cleaned up their rooms by now.

604 Zimriel  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 9:39:43pm

re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist

Also interesting when the markers don't cross over. My English friends think of "Chelsea" as a hard-core white-trash name, and couldn't understand why the Clintons chose it. To me, it shouts "child of yuppies".

LOL! I used to read Stephen R Donaldson as a kid (sorry, Dianna!) and one of the chief antiheroes was a "Lord Kevin".

To a New Mexican hippie like Donaldson, it's just another name - maybe with a hint of a Welshness to it. But to us Brits, "Lord Kevin" was a joke. As well think of a President Cletus over here.

605 Stuart Leviton  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 10:12:59pm

"Von Brunn sometimes spoke of having fought for the wrong side in World War II, Blodgett said, and the two men sometimes attended meetings in Arlington County of the American Friends of the British National Party, which raised funds for the British white supremacist group."
(Source: The Washington Post 11 June, 2009)


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