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Play us a tune on an unbroken spinet, and let the bells ring, let the bells ring! Play music now: play us a tune on an unbroken spinet. Do not make echoes of forgotten time, do not strike music from old broken keys, do not make ghosts with faded tinklings on the yellowed board; but play us a tune on an unbroken spinet, play lively music when the instrument was new, let us see Mozart playing in the parlor, and let us hear the sound of the ladies’ voices. But more than that; waken the turmoil of forgotten streets, let us hear their sounds again unmuted, and unchanged by time, throw the light of Wednesday morning on the Third Crusade, and let us see Athens on an average day.

— Thomas Wolfe, Of Time and the River

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1 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:42:40pm

Evening, lizards!

Allow me this opportunity to shamelessly plug Israeli bonds.

Decent interest rates (2.85%- better than U.S. Savings bonds at this time) and a chance to flip to the proverbial bird to the neo-nazis, International Solidarity Movements and Hezbollah types...

2 freetoken  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:45:00pm

" let us see Mozart playing in the parlor"

If you insist:

Youtube Video
3 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:50:05pm

So- it turns out a friend of mine knows Joe Bonamasa. He's touring state side later this year, and I'm going to get to go.

Youtube Video
4 gmsc  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:55:06pm

"Listen to the children of the night! What music they make!"
-Count Dracula

5 srb1976  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:55:39pm

Well, it's officially too late to get some sleep before work.....insomnia bites!

6 gmsc  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:56:04pm

re: #5 srb1976

Well, it's officially too late to get some sleep before work.....insomnia bites!

G'Nite, srb1976!

7 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:56:07pm

Hello, goodnight!

Youtube Video
8 gmsc  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:56:18pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

So- it turns out a friend of mine knows Joe Bonamasa. He's touring state side later this year, and I'm going to get to go.


[Video]

Congrats!

9 astronmr20  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:57:21pm

re: #1 Fenway_Nation

Evening, lizards!

Allow me this opportunity to shamelessly plug Israeli bonds.

Decent interest rates (2.85%- better than U.S. Savings bonds at this time) and a chance to flip to the proverbial bird to the neo-nazis, International Solidarity Movements and Hezbollah types...

Not bad, but my Fiancee is an Indian national.

Fixed deposits are paying 8 to 9 percent there, so that's where it's all going. I'd like to stay ahead of inflation (:

10 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:57:32pm
Youtube Video
11 gmsc  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:58:05pm

re: #7 Floral Giraffe

Hello, goodnight!

Sounds like this video would be more appropriate:

Youtube Video

Goodnight, FG!

12 srb1976  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:59:44pm

re: #6 gmsc

G'Nite, srb1976!

Been trying to sleep for several hours, at this point, it's too late....gotta be awake in an hour and a half....screw it....started the coffee....gonna be a long day (Wah!)

13 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 11:59:53pm

re: #8 gmsc

Thanks. Might get back stage too- we'll see.

14 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:00:05am

Today in History, June 11th:

Youtube Video

Highlights of this day in history: Alabama Gov. George Wallace makes a symbolic stand against racial integration; A Buddhist monk immolates himself in South Vietnam; Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh executed; Actor John Wayne dies.

Other notable June 11th events include:

1184 BC – Trojan War: Troy is sacked and burned, according to the calculations of Eratosthenes.

1776 – The Continental Congress appoints Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Roger Sherman, and Robert R. Livingston to the Committee of Five to draft a declaration of independence.

1898 – Spanish-American War: U.S. war ships start to sail for Cuba.

1919 – Sir Barton wins the Belmont Stakes, becoming the first horse to win the Triple Crown.

2004 – Ronald Reagan's funeral is held at Washington National Cathedral.

15 astronmr20  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:00:26am

re: #12 srb1976

Been trying to sleep for several hours, at this point, it's too late....gotta be awake in an hour and a half....screw it....started the coffee....gonna be a long day (Wah!)

think of it this way- it will feel great going to sleep later today/ tonight!

16 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:00:27am

re: #7 Floral Giraffe

'nite FG.

/Gee... The Doors... they are almost as old as Mozart!

17 ladycatnip  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:01:03am

Check out David Garrett - PBS had a spectacular Berlin concert. He does AC/DC, Michael Jackson along with the classical. Amazing story and amazing talent. Don't know how to actually post YouTube here, just the link.

18 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:01:41am

re: #15 astronmr20

think of it this way- it will feel great going to sleep later today/ tonight!

Yep = ), after my 12 hour shift, traffic court, and getting the kiddies into bed.....but as a bonus, today is my friday, so tomorrow I get to sleep in = )....Yay! me

19 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:02:22am

re: #16 freetoken

'nite FG.

/Gee... The Doors... they are almost as old as Mozart!

Now that we've established freetoken is less than 20 years old . . .
;)

20 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:06:40am

Any word on Syrah's firing that she had to do today?

21 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:09:05am

re: #9 astronmr20

Fixed deposits? Is that like the Indian equivalent of Certificates of Deposit?

I think I saw some notices about the State Bank of India having decent rates of return on their CD's in their Chicago and New York branches (FDIC insured)- but nothing dramatically above the national average.

22 astronmr20  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:10:43am

re: #21 Fenway_Nation

Fixed deposits? Is that like the Indian equivalent of Certificates of Deposit?

I think I saw some notices about the State Bank of India having decent rates of return on their CD's in their Chicago and New York branches (FDIC insured)- but nothing dramatically above the national average.

Yes it's basically CD's, 6 or 12-month. It's through India's national banks, but you have to be an Indian citizen to do it.

Last year they were at 10%.

23 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:11:38am

re: #22 astronmr20

Bummer....but I imagine all transactions would have to be handled in Rupees.

24 astronmr20  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:12:53am

re: #23 Fenway_Nation

Bummer....but I imagine all transactions would have to be handled in Rupees.

Yup.

25 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:14:03am

This is my 1337th post. My, 1337 post! In honor of that, I present this! Just staying true to my gamer nerd lifestyle.

Very important post landmark for me :)

26 Syrah  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:14:28am

re: #20 gmsc

Any word on Syrah's firing that she had to do today?

The word is that it was a no go.

I no longer have the authority to do these myself.

I made my case.

I have done what I can.

Fear is clouding good decision making.

27 Neutral President  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:14:57am

re: #20 gmsc

Any word on Syrah's firing that she had to do today?

"I don't know, I guess. Listen, I'm gonna go. It's been really nice talking to both you guys. Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really, really well."

28 astronmr20  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:16:27am

re: #26 Syrah

The word is that it was a no go.

I no longer have the authority to do these myself.

I made my case.

I have done what I can.

Fear is clouding good decision making.

I'm feeling the same thing at my employer; "fear." It's odd, because we're not doing all that bad and are generally meeting goals, which is incredible for a media company right now. However, the fear is everywhere...

29 astronmr20  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:17:05am

re: #27 ArchangelMichael

"I don't know, I guess. Listen, I'm gonna go. It's been really nice talking to both you guys. Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really, really well."

An instant classic. Incredible movie. Truth is comedy.

30 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:17:09am

re: #26 Syrah

The word is that it was a no go.

I no longer have the authority to do these myself.

I made my case.

I have done what I can.

Fear is clouding good decision making.

{ { {Syrah} } }

Sometimes, all you can do is all you can do.

I hope it doesn't come to the time where you have to point out your recommendation in hindsight.

31 Syrah  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:18:41am

re: #30 gmsc

{ { {Syrah} } }

Sometimes, all you can do is all you can do.

I hope it doesn't come to the time where you have to point out your recommendation in hindsight.

I hope so too. "I told you so." is not a fun thing to say.

32 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:21:04am

re: #24 astronmr20

Well....as a non-Indian, looks like one of my better bets would be the Israeli Bonds or a 24 to 36 month CD that's earning 3% or more in interest.

33 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:21:24am

re: #31 Syrah

I hope so too. "I told you so." is not a fun thing to say.

I beg to differ.

34 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:23:52am

re: #31 Syrah

I hope so too. "I told you so." is not a fun thing to say.

It's second only, perhaps, to Schaden-go-fuckyourself.

35 astronmr20  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:26:24am

re: #32 Fenway_Nation

Well....as a non-Indian, looks like one of my better bets would be the Israeli Bonds or a 24 to 36 month CD that's earning 3% or more in interest.

That's slightly better than savings, but I'd consider taking a portion for precious metals and precious metals mining companies.

Now is the time to "play" things- because in this down economy, believe it or not, there is far more certainty for upward movement in certain sectors.

You can beat inflation without gambling.

36 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:30:08am

re: #35 astronmr20

Well....presently I'm invested in some precious metals and utilities, as well as some gov't bonds from last year when the APY was in the 3%-5.7% range.

37 Syrah  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:32:26am

re: #28 astronmr20

I'm feeling the same thing at my employer; "fear." It's odd, because we're not doing all that bad and are generally meeting goals, which is incredible for a media company right now. However, the fear is everywhere...


The economy is in serious trouble. Fear of the economy is justified. Fear of lawyers and lawsuits can hinder good decision making. Sometimes you are screwed if you do and screwed if you don't. You still have to make decisions. You still have a responsibility to protect the company and its employees to the best of your ability.

As it stands now, the higher ups complained that they did not have enough documentation. I am worried that they are going to get their "documentation" by way of a subpoena or a police report.

Maybe they are right and I am wrong. The next four two eight weeks will tell the tale.

38 Syrah  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:36:39am

re: #34 haakondahl

It's second only, perhaps, to Schaden-go-fuckyourself.

In some cases I would agree. In this case, saying "I told you so." would mean that a lot of avoidable grief failed to be avoided.

I have pointed to the iceberg. They told me to go have the band play some music.

39 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:46:14am

re: #38 Syrah

{Syrah}

40 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:47:16am

Sometimes all you can do is Try:

Youtube Video
41 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:47:45am

re: #38 Syrah

Sorry to hear about your troubles, hope it works out for the best.....Sometimes these things do....

42 Syrah  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:49:55am

re: #39 Sharmuta

Hi Sharm.

Did you see haakondahl's comment on Sowell's book on the last thread?

43 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:53:25am

re: #42 Syrah

I just looked now. That's wonderful. And it's all your fault. Thank you so much.

44 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:54:29am

And, haak? I've been reading this book for 2 months and I'm still not done.

45 Syrah  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:55:03am

re: #41 srb1976

Sorry to hear about your troubles, hope it works out for the best.....Sometimes these things do....

I think it is integral to human nature to make the best of whatever befalls you. It makes it so that things work out more often than not.

Life is good.

Tomorrow is my Saturday. (We seem to have the same work week.) I have tomato plants to get in the ground. I will enjoy mucking about in the garden.

46 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:59:15am

re: #45 Syrah

It does seem like we have similar schedules.....I've always found that simple things like mucking out the garden or taking the kiddies to the park, are the best remedy for the crap we get dealt over the course of the week....makes it all more worth it, and adds some perspective = )

Good luck anyway!

47 Syrah  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:02:20am

Goodnight Lizards.

Play nice.

48 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:08am

Tonight, I am free to stay up for fruitcup, but I was so busy today, I may have to try and force myself to stay awake for it.

49 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:22am

re: #47 Syrah

Goodnight Lizards.

Play nice.

G'nite, Syrah.

50 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:05:01am

re: #48 gmsc

Friend of mine showed me this math trick last weekend, and it made me think of you.

51 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:05:51am

re: #50 Sharmuta

Friend of mine showed me this math trick last weekend, and it made me think of you.

Always glad to be brought to mind in a positive light.

What's the math trick?

52 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:06:57am

re: #47 Syrah

G'nite Syrah!

53 Abu Kuffar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:08:27am

Hello lizards! Returned yesterday from a holiday trip to Israel and Yad Vashem holocaust museum was one of the most interesting places I visited there. Definitely recommended to anyone

54 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:09:35am

re: #51 gmsc

It involved me writing down a different 6 digit number 3 times, while he wrote in a 6 two times, adding them together to arrive at the number he predicted from the start.

I made him laugh though by using one of my turns to write down a number in binary.

55 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:20am

re: #54 Sharmuta

It involved me writing down a different 6 digit number 3 times, while he wrote in a 6 two times, adding them together to arrive at the number he predicted from the start.

I made him laugh though by using one of my turns to write down a number in binary.

That can be a good one when done right.

It used to be used by many lightnin calculators in vaudeville, only they wouldn't predict it. Instead, they'd just give the impression they quickly added it.

56 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:13:15am

Ooooh . . . 78 points away from hitting 10,000 karma points!

57 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:15:17am

Hello, littleoldlady!

How are you?

58 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:15:49am

Ha! 68? ;-)

59 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:16:28am

re: #58 littleoldlady

Ha! 68? ;-)

Yep!

(Hey, who needs LGF Spy? ;)

60 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:17:30am

re: #56 gmsc

Karma whore :P

61 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:18:38am

re: #56 gmsc

Ooooh . . . 78 points away from hitting 10,000 karma points!

Did my part! :)

62 Abu Kuffar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:18:55am

re: #56 gmsc

58

63 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:19:58am

Generic Congressional Ballot
Generic Ballot Finds Democrats, Republicans in a Dead Heat

Democratic and Republican candidates are now tied in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 40% would vote for their district’s Democratic congressional candidate while 40% would choose the Republican.

Support for Democrats is up two points from last week, while support for the GOP is up three points. Support for the GOP is just one point below its highest level found over the past year. Last week’s results for the Democrats tied the lowest level of support for the party during the same period.

Voters not affiliated with either party now favor Republicans by a 38% to 21% margin.

Democratic support has ranged from a low of 38% to a high of 50% in the past 12 months. In that same time period, Republicans have been preferred by 34% to 41% of voters nationwide.

Since the first of the year, Democratic support has ranged from 38% to 42%, while the Republican range has been from 35% to 41%.

Democrats held a six- or seven-point lead over the GOP for the first several weeks of 2009. That began to slip in early February, and the Republicans actually took a two-point lead for a single week in the middle of March. Since mid-April, the parties have been roughly even.

For the first time in years, voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on economic issues. This comes following the unpopular bailout and takeover of General Motors. Regular Rasmussen tracking shows that the economy remains the top issue among voters in terms of importance.

64 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:22:02am

re: #58 littleoldlady

Ha! 68? ;-)

re: #62 Abu Kuffar

58

re: #61 BatGuano

Did my part! :)

re: #60 Fenway_Nation

Karma whore :P

Thanks for the help!
:)

I wasn't actually asking for help, just making an observation. However, there's some part of me screaming, "Oh, come on. You know Fenway is right!"
;)

65 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:24:40am

Man...at this rate you'll get there within the next 10 minutes!

/...I'd better go bake a cake

;-)

66 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:24:46am

re: #64 gmsc

That's ok, sometimes I log in just to hand out updings for good stuff....
I try to follow along at work (very slow time in my industry) but don't always have time to add to the discussion.....

67 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:25:35am

re: #64 gmsc

Yea yea yea.....the sooner you hit 10,000, the sooner you can shut up about hitting 10,000.

68 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:25:50am

re: #64 gmsc

We can go dancing together- the two of us whores. ;)

Youtube Video
69 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:26:07am

re: #65 littleoldlady

Man...at this rate you'll get there within the next 10 minutes!

/...I'd better go bake a cake

;-)

Eileen Barton

Youtube Video
70 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:26:12am

re: #64 gmsc

You earned them all by keeping us informed and entertained. I feel a little smarter after you posts.

71 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:27:04am

Good evening

72 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:28:50am

re: #71 Oldasdirt

Good evening

Good evening, Oldasdirt? How do you do?

73 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:29:24am

HatchaDoo, HatchaDoo, HatchaDoo!

/they just don't write songs like that anymore!
//might be a good thing ;-)

74 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:30:16am

OldasDirt! :-)

Howdy! Are we related?

;-)

75 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:30:27am

Looks like hte Guard at the Holocaust museum didn't make it.

76 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:30:35am

re: #72 gmsc

Very good,,long time since here last.
Good to see GMSC and Little old lady.

77 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:31:38am

re: #70 BatGuano

You earned them all by keeping us informed and entertained. I feel a little smarter after your posts.

Thanks.

(Assuming you don't mean in comparison. ;)

78 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:31:46am

I'm right at the cusp of 3500, you don't hear me going on and on about how I'm so very close to 3500. What kind of poster would I be if I was constantly reminding lizards that I was less than 10 points away from 3500? What kind of self-aggrandizing bufoon keeps pointing out that they're so close to 3500 in an obvious ploy for attention?

/

79 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:32:27am

re: #78 Fenway_Nation

I'm right at the cusp of 3500, you don't hear me going on and on about how I'm so very close to 3500. What kind of poster would I be if I was constantly reminding lizards that I was less than 10 points away from 3500? What kind of self-aggrandizing bufoon keeps pointing out that they're so close to 3500 in an obvious ploy for attention?

/

Karma whore!
;)

(Did my part!)

80 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:32:35am

And apparently China is fighting the US sending the 17 Uigers to Palau.

81 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:03am

re: #75 rustler

Looks like hte Guard at the Holocaust museum didn't make it.

That's actually a very nice write up.....sympathy for Mr. John's family

82 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:26am

Stuck on 3,499...

83 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:27am

re: #77 gmsc

Thanks.

(Assuming you don't mean in comparison. ;)

Ah, g'wan with yourself! You know what I mean!

84 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:30am

My dinging finger hurts...

/getting Advil™

;-)

85 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:50am

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

Stuck on 3,499...

Not anymore = )

86 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:35:29am

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

Stuck on 3,499...

There you go!

87 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:36:11am

re: #85 srb1976

Couple more month,,i will have 800.

88 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:36:23am

re: #84 littleoldlady

My dinging finger hurts...

/getting Advil™

;-)

Advil = Dinger finger fixer?

89 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:36:49am

Yay! I'm not sure, but I think I earned my 3000th point in a post pointing out James Doohan's (Star Trek's Scotty) service in the Canadian Army storming the beaches of Normandy.

90 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:37:25am

re: #87 Oldasdirt

Couple more month,,i will have 800.

Cheat - post in the links at the top of the page. No one ever looks at the number of links you posted, but the karma from them does count!

91 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:38:18am

remember guys the mathemagician only gets 41 more updings no 5 digits for him. :)

92 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:39:05am

re: #87 Oldasdirt

Couple more month,,i will have 800.

Man, I'm just happy to be in the plus column.....
= )

93 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:39:44am

re: #91 rustler

I can always go back and downding some of his posts so he can enjoy four digit-dom a little longer :P

94 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:01am

re: #92 srb1976

I like your attitude! ;-)

95 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:07am

re: #90 gmsc

I need karma,,we have had earthquakes,and in thunder storm right now.
Ft. Worth Tex..
Never experienced earthquakes before.

96 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:42:09am

re: #95 Oldasdirt

GAH! Must feel like the end of the world... :-(

97 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:42:16am

re: #95 Oldasdirt

I need karma,,we have had earthquakes,and in thunder storm right now.
Ft. Worth Tex..
Never experienced earthquakes before.

Forgot to mention a Comander N Cheif seeling out my country.

98 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:52am

I was hoping I'd get a few dings just cuz you guys like me- or something.

99 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:55am

re: #96 littleoldlady

First earthquake that I felt was today,,a tiny one,but this is Tex.

100 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:10am

Mug Shot of the Day: Phil Spector.

Looks like his wig-wearing days are over, and it's just his scary mug for the next 19 years.

101 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:30am

re: #94 littleoldlady

I like your attitude! ;-)

This reminds me of the Popeye cartoon "Plane Crazy". Popeye and Bluto are pilots, and they're hurling insults to each other from their planes. I always laugh when Popeye says, "Hey! I doesn't like your altitude!"

102 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:47:18am

re: #100 theheat

Mug Shot of the Day: Phil Spector.

Looks like his wig-wearing days are over, and it's just his scary mug for the next 19 years.

I love Tales from the Crypt! Wait – that's Phil Spector?!?

103 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:47:33am

re: #95 Oldasdirt

I need karma,,we have had earthquakes,and in thunder storm right now.
Ft. Worth Tex..
Never experienced earthquakes before.

Yeesh, earthquakes are the ones that scare me....course, the last one we had here I slept through....probably just as well
(Hope you get through it unscathed)

104 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:47:54am

re: #98 Sharmuta

I was hoping I'd get a few dings just cuz you guys like me- or something.

We like you! We really like you!

/Sally Field off

105 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:47:58am

re: #99 Oldasdirt

I thought everything was bigger in Texas.

106 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:48:41am

re: #102 gmsc

Same difference, 'cept the Crypt Keeper is actually humorous. Phil Spector is way creepy.

107 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:50:41am

re: #105 Fenway_Nation

According to my X wife,not everything.

108 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:50:41am

re: #99 Oldasdirt

We get the thunderstorms and the earthquakes in the NW. In fact, we had a big thunderstorm here today.

You're from Ft. Worth? I was there a few years ago and stopped in at some well-known fish & chips sort of dive on the way into town. I can't for the life of me remember the name of it. It's on the right hand side just a couple miles off the freeway exit. Do you know the one I'm talking about?

109 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:50:49am

We had an earthquake once when I was living in downtown Philadelphia. I woke up but didn't learn WHAT woke me until I heard it on the news later in the day.

Weird feeling.

110 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:51:18am

re: #101 gmsc

This reminds me of the Popeye cartoon "Plane Crazy". Popeye and Bluto are pilots, and they're hurling insults to each other from their planes. I always laugh when Popeye says, "Hey! I doesn't like your altitude!"

We got our Little Man a "Best of Popeye" dvd awhile back....some really, really old ones....They left in the WWII recruiting cartoons....kinda neat actually....Plus, who doesn't love Popeye?

111 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:51:25am

re: #107 Oldasdirt

Oh jeez. TMI!

/lol!

112 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:52:28am

re: #108 theheat

Zekes,best fish in Ft.Worth.On Camp Bowie blvd.

113 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:53:04am

re: #103 srb1976

Yeesh, earthquakes are the ones that scare me....course, the last one we had here I slept through....probably just as well
(Hope you get through it unscathed)

When I lived in California, I looked over the various natural disasters and decided I liked earthquakes the best. Think about it:

Hurricanes: Weeks of anticipation, and then either nothing or a day or 2 of sheer horror
Floods: Weeks
Volcanic eruptions: Years (Kilauea erupted on January 3, 1983, and it hasn't stopped yet!)

Earthquakes: Seconds (The 1989 earthquake lasted for 15 seconds, and everyone kept remarking how long that was!)

114 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:53:26am

re: #112 Oldasdirt

I think that's it! Dumpiest place in the world, crowded as hell, and absolutely fantastic food. I ate there every day I was there.

115 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:53:30am

Carrie Prejean finally dethroned.

116 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:54:01am

re: #109 littleoldlady

We had an earthquake once when I was living in downtown Philadelphia. I woke up but didn't learn WHAT woke me until I heard it on the news later in the day.

Weird feeling.

I'm sorry to here that ...Do I get fruitcup before gmsc?

117 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:54:25am

On a completely different note, be very careful when catching jumping children.....I'm starting to suspect that the Little Man may have cracked (or sprained pretty bad) my thumb...Ouch!

118 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:54:38am

re: #110 srb1976

We got our Little Man a "Best of Popeye" dvd awhile back....some really, really old ones....They left in the WWII recruiting cartoons....kinda neat actually....Plus, who doesn't love Popeye?

My other favorite Popeye line? "I can read writin' when it's writ, but I can't read writin' when it's wrote. This writin's wroten rotten!"

119 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:19am

re: #113 gmsc

The one we had a few years ago lasted 30 seconds, and sounded like a rolling sonic boom. Freakiest thing ever. You could look outside and literally see the ground rolling. Dishes were flying, the house was twisting and flexing... Scared the living shit out of me.

120 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:48am

re: #113 gmsc

When I lived in California, I looked over the various natural disasters and decided I liked earthquakes the best. Think about it:

Hurricanes: Weeks of anticipation, and then either nothing or a day or 2 of sheer horror
Floods: Weeks
Volcanic eruptions: Years (Kilauea erupted on January 3, 1983, and it hasn't stopped yet!)

Earthquakes: Seconds (The 1989 earthquake lasted for 15 seconds, and everyone kept remarking how long that was!)

Eh, where I grew up it was blizzards in the winter and tornadoes in the summer.....tornadoes are very short lived, and what kid is gonna complain about staying up late playing in the basement?

121 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:56:10am

re: #113 gmsc

I still live in California will take earthquakes over all of those things. And, yes, I was here 1989.

122 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:56:26am

re: #118 gmsc
Plus everyone can take a lesson on life from popeye. I am's what I am's, and that's all that I am's.

123 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:56:34am

re: #120 srb1976

and what kid is gonna complain about staying up late playing in the basement?

Probably depends on if the house was still standing when you came out of the basement!

124 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:56:35am

BatGuano! :-)

Everybody gets fruitcup at the same time.

/I have a karma collection, too, you know!
//almost entirely bought with fruitcup
///oh! and one birthday

;-)

125 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:14am

re: #116 BatGuano

(HEAR) PIMF

126 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:48am

re: #122 rustler

Plus everyone can take a lesson on life from popeye. I am's what I am's, and that's all that I am's.

Youtube Video
127 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:05am

re: #110 srb1976

Popeye,I worrie bout the little Sweetpea,Child stars that had a big hayday sometimes end up with bad lives.Hope Sweetpea did not end up in porn or on drugs.

128 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:51am

re: #122 rustler

Plus everyone can take a lesson on life from popeye. I am's what I am's, and that's all that I am's.

Popeye (pbuh) made me love spinach.

129 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:59:08am
For the first time in years, voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on economic issues. This comes following the unpopular bailout and takeover of General Motors. Regular Rasmussen tracking shows that the economy remains the top issue among voters in terms of importance.


And a train load of other disturbing policies the dems are trying to push down the American peoples throats.

130 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:59:24am

re: #99 Oldasdirt

First earthquake that I felt was today,,a tiny one,but this is Tex.

All week there have been a few south of FT. Worth.

131 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:01am

re: #127 Oldasdirt

Popeye,I worrie bout the little Sweetpea,Child stars that had a big hayday sometimes end up with bad lives.Hope Sweetpea did not end up in porn or on drugs.

I always think of poor Bam-Bam. You knew with a name like that, the boy was bound to find trouble.

132 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

133 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:35am

re: #109 littleoldlady

Heh....when I was growing up in a 220 year-old house in Massachusetts, one chilly late autumn evening my sister flew down the stairs- absolutely terrified.

Obviously, mom and dad wanted to know what was wrong. My sister swore up and down that one of the rocking chairs in her room began to rock back and forth on its own. At first my parents tried explaining it away as vibrations from a passing truck- except we had a pretty good view of the road past our house and there was no traffic at the time.

I think she refused to go back in her room that night, but the next morning dad shows her the headline from the local paper.

Magnitude 5.9 Earthquake Rocks Quebec

134 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:35am

re: #123 theheat

Probably depends on if the house was still standing when you came out of the basement!

Funny thing about growing up in tornado alley......there are so many warnings, so often, that unless you actually see something coming, the fear kind of wears off

135 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:41am

Thanks, littleoldlady!

136 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:53am

re: #132 littleoldlady

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->

How Californian of you!

137 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:01:00am

re: #132 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

Yummy!

Thank you very much! I'm glad I made to fruitcup for the first time in the last 3 nights.

138 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:01:03am

re: #132 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

Thank you, littleoldlady!

139 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:01:22am

Sharmuta! :-)

140 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:01:23am

re: #130 freetoken

Yes,7 quakes in 8 days,,but the one today was first I felt.
They center in Crowlly south of me.

141 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:02:00am

re: #136 freetoken

How Californian of you!

California knows how to party!

Youtube Video
142 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:02:56am

re: #133 Fenway_Nation

Right. The newscaster said something like, "You probably didn't realize it, but we had an earthquake last night..."

/I did! I did! ;-)

143 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:03:15am

re: #132 littleoldlady

Yay!

Come for the karma....stay for the fruitcup!

144 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:03:37am

re: #140 Oldasdirt

Well, being as your in Texas, and the ground is shaking, here's a little SRV, The House is Rockin':

Youtube Video
145 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:03:45am

Morning LOL and how is the early moring crew doing today?

146 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:03:50am

re: #132 littleoldlady

Thanks,only thing I have had to eat today.

147 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:03:52am

re: #137 gmsc

Yeah, you really have to ease up on that sleeping thing!

;-)

148 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:04:18am

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

Yay!

Come for the karma....stay for the fruitcup!

FABULOUS! :-)

149 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:04:33am

Yay! fruitcup! That means it's time for me to wake up = )

150 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:05:11am

re: #147 littleoldlady

Yeah, you really have to ease up on that sleeping thing!

;-)

yeah, sleep is for the weak! = )

151 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:05:31am

re: #150 srb1976

yeah, sleep is for the weak! = )

Over rated.

152 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:05:40am

Hiya Scorch! :-)

153 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:06:51am

re: #150 srb1976

yeah, sleep is for the weak! = )

I thought brakes were for the weak.

154 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:06:59am

re: #134 srb1976

We had a small tornado a couple weeks ago go thru town while I was at work heard the howl told myself that sounds like a tornado next morning leaving work saw it had neatly removed the roof of one of the shut down diners in town and left it still intact but collapsed in another hotels parking lot. Fortuneately was a slow night and the hotel in question was empty.

155 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:07:03am

re: #145 Scorch

Morning LOL and how is the early moring crew doing today?

Early morning? I thought we were late night.

156 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:07:10am

re: #150 srb1976

yeah, sleep is for the weak! = )

Sleep for a week! There I times I think I could do that!
;)

157 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:07:17am

re: #151 Sharmuta

Over rated.

Did my four hours and ready for another day!

158 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:07:20am

re: #132 littleoldlady

I have to ask, is there a sneeze guard on this buffet? Does it comply with all local health codes?

//

159 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:08:14am

re: #155 Sharmuta

Early morning? I thought we were late night.

It's a mind thing. :)

160 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:08:14am

re: #158 theheat
Sneezeguard we don't need no stinkin sneezeguards.

161 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:09:30am

re: #157 Scorch

Did my four hours and ready for another day!

Four hours hah....wuss = )

/couldn't sleep a wink last night.....but I'm not bitter....or jealous = )

162 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:09:48am

I think the pay rate is different for early morning than it is for late night. I will have to check with the Zionist Overlords Human Resources Department. This might affect my Zionist paycheck.

163 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:27am

re: #160 Rustler

Sneezeguard we don't need no stinkin sneezeguards.

Just to see how many potential employers were really reading his resumes, a friend of mine once included a former positions as a "sneeze guard". I wish I still had the full description, as it was hilarious. From what I remember – "Responsibilities: Maintaining health standards in food service . . . "

164 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:29am

re: #155 Sharmuta

Early morning? I thought we were late night.

You say potato and I say potahto...

165 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:11:15am

re: #160 Rustler

I doubt anyone washes their hands, either. (Checks dirty fingernails.) But, hey, what's a little dirt?

166 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:11:19am

re: #158 theheat

I have to ask, is there a sneeze guard on this buffet? Does it comply with all local health codes?

//

theheat! :-)

It's a Chinese buffet.

/hope your insurances are up to date! ;-)

167 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:12:00am

re: #164 littleoldlady

You say potato and I say potahto...

Let's call the whole thing off.

168 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:12:10am

re: #164 littleoldlady

You say potato and I say potahto...

X-Files version:

Youtube Video
169 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:12:29am

re: #167 BatGuano

Let's call the whole thing off.

If'n I could sleep, I would. :-/

170 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:12:44am

re: #166 littleoldlady

Ewww! The last Chinese buffet I visited was shut down for serving horsemeat as a meat product.

171 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:12:47am

re: #165 theheat

Dirt is nothing back when I worked on the ranch you don't even want to know what was in our food hehe.

172 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:14:34am

re: #171 rustler

Been there, done that, still do.

And old b/f once told me the average human consumes two tons of dirt in their lifetime, so what's a few more pounds?

173 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:15:13am

re: #167 BatGuano

Let's call the whole thing off.

Shall we dance?

Youtube Video
174 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:16:09am

re: #172 theheat

If I reduce my dirt intake will I lose weight?

/oh! oh! new product idea!
//The Dirt Diet™

175 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:17:39am

re: #174 littleoldlady

If I reduce my dirt intake will I lose weight?

/oh! oh! new product idea!
//The Dirt Diet™

That will probably be next from Ear Leader.

Mandatory, of course.

176 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:18:04am

re: #174 littleoldlady

Any benefit from dirt reduction would be canceled out by the extra salt and spices you'd need for flavoring. All that sodium would make you retain water, so you probably wouldn't lose as much weight as if you kept the dirt in the diet. Sorry :-(

177 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:18:08am

Dancing is late night.

178 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:18:10am

re: #173 gmsc

Fred Astaire: Instant upding.

179 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:18:22am

re: #172 theheat

Been there, done that, still do.

And old b/f once told me the average human consumes two tons of dirt in their lifetime, so what's a few more pounds?

I always heard it was "every kid eats a pound of dirt before they're 5"

180 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:16am

re: #179 srb1976

That's why kids get their mouths washed out with soap ;-)

181 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:24am

re: #175 Fenway_Nation

That will probably be next from Ear Leader.

Mandatory, of course.

ROFL good one!

182 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:35am

Little Nevaeh's mom needs to be brought up on as serious a set of charges as possible. Wreckless endangerment or child abuse is to light.

Jennifer Buchanan denies a romantic involvement with George Kennedy, yet states George has been the only man in Nevaeh’s life. One of little Nevaeh’s playmates has stated that Nevaeh referred to George Kennedy as daddy George.

Letting your young daughter hang out with a child predator with a history of abusing young girls is beyond wrong.

183 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:35am

Thinking about going down to Troy Aikmans GM dealership,and watch them not sell cars.

184 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:39am

re: #177 Sharmuta

Dancing is late night.

I dance with my morning coffee. Too tired at night.

/put up your dukes! ;-)

185 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:49am

re: #179 srb1976

I always heard it was "every kid eats a pound of dirt before they're 5"

I also ate ants. Texas. 50's.

186 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:20:14am

re: #178 BatGuano

Fred Astaire: Instant upding.

Don't forget Ginger Rogers – She did everything Fred Astaire did, only backwards and in heels!

187 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:20:41am

re: #176 theheat

I'll figure it out and get back to you.

/after all, they sold that crazy cabbage soup diet ;-)

188 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:20:52am

re: #184 littleoldlady

/put up your dukes! ;-)

OK . . .

Youtube Video
189 Abu Kuffar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:21:18am

BBL my computer is begging me to restart after installing updates.

190 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:06am

re: #189 Abu Kuffar

BBL my computer is begging me to restart after installing updates.

If it's a Mac, do it right now – you'll like the new Safari (actually, you'll like the new Safari for Windows, too).

191 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:18am

re: #189 Abu Kuffar

BBL my computer is begging me to restart after installing updates.

Me too.

192 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:57am

Morning Lizards.

193 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:00am

re: #188 gmsc

G*d, I loved the 70's. (except for that Carter thing).

194 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:06am

re: #185 BatGuano

I also ate ants. Texas. 50's.

Used to gather ants from one bed and drop them in another bed on the other side of the yard to watch them fight. Must be a Texas thing. :)

195 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:22am

re: #185 BatGuano

I also ate ants. Texas. 50's.

My dad told us that ants were good for you, they told him so in survival school = )

196 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:29am

rightside! :-)

197 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:30am

re: #192 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Morning, rightside.

198 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:41am

re: #182 rustler
The body recently found has now ben confirmed as Neveah

199 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:24am

Dirt...ants...this is good. I thought I was hungry but the feeling passed for some inexplicable reason.

200 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:25am

re: #192 rightside

Ahoy rightside!

201 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:28am

re: #196 littleoldlady

re: #197 BatGuano

lol!

BG!

202 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:29am

re: #192 rightside

Mornin' rightside!

203 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:32am

re: #182 rustler

The money quote:

I am unable to comprehend why so many of today’s mothers are willing to jeopardize their children just to have a man around.

Sadly, lots of little girls and boys disappear at the hands of their mom's psycho boyfriends. It's so common it's mind-boggling. Poor little things suffer all kinds of horrible fates, while the TSTL mother milks her victimhood in the news.

TSTL = too stupid to live.

All for a piece of ass/security blanket/co-dependent bullshit.

204 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:40am

re: #192 rightside

Morning Lizards.

G'Morning, rightside!

205 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:48am

re: #200 Scorch

re: #202 srb1976

hi scorch

morning srb!

206 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:25:21am

Avast, rightside!

207 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:25:23am

re: #204 gmsc

morning gmsc

208 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:25:32am

re: #194 Scorch

Used to gather ants from one bed and drop them in another bed on the other side of the yard to watch them fight. Must be a Texas thing. :)

Damn straight!. Did you ever put a firecracker near their their hole and when they carry it down the hole, you light it?

209 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:29:04am

This cake is going to get stale... :-(

210 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:29:31am

re: #199 littleoldlady

Dirt...ants...this is good. I thought I was hungry but the feeling passed for some inexplicable reason.

I've found a new drink for the LNDT.

Guinness is now for wimps. Introducing: Yögenbräu!

(Just keep clicking the right arrow icon to follow the story)

211 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:29:50am

re: #209 littleoldlady

This cake is going to get stale... :-(

I'm almost there!
;)

212 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:29:52am

re: #209 littleoldlady

I'll eat twice as much, then.

213 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:29:59am

re: #208 BatGuano

Damn straight!. Did you ever put a firecracker near their their hole and when they carry it down the hole, you light it?

Omg...sure did but was hazardous because it always blew a few your way and they would repay with a hot sting. :)

214 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:29:59am

re: #194 Scorch Ant wars were fun waqs really great when you'd get a 3 way going between red ants and black ants fighting over who would keep the sugar ants who would attack both out of an interest in self preservation.

215 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:30:24am

re: #208 BatGuano

Ah,Texas sun,ants and a magnifying glass.To be a kid again.

216 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:30:34am

re: #211 gmsc

I KNOW! :-)

217 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:31:24am

Yaaaaay!

Thank you!

Littleoldlady will now serve the cake!

218 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:31:30am

re: #209 littleoldlady

This cake is going to get stale... :-(

Sorry, I was falling down on the job.....fixed it now....my bad

219 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:31:32am

re: #211 gmsc Cakes gone now :P

220 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:31:35am

YAHOO! Mazel tov, gmsc!

221 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:31:56am

re: #217 gmsc

Yaaaaay!

Thank you!

Littleoldlady will now serve the cake!

Fenway just canceled the cake.
;)

222 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:31:59am

re: #215 Oldasdirt

Ah,Texas sun,ants and a magnifying glass.To be a kid again.

Good times, good times..

223 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:32:33am

re: #220 littleoldlady

YAHOO! Mazel tov, gmsc!

Yowza! Thanks for the gorgeous cake!

224 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:32:53am

What are they doing, down-dinging?

/bad boys!

225 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:33:31am

re: #220 littleoldlady

YAHOO! Mazel tov, gmsc!

re: #212 theheat

I'll eat twice as much, then.

See that cake? You'll need to!
:)

226 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:33:31am

My all time favorite Cake.

227 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:33:50am

re: #224 littleoldlady

What are they doing, down-dinging?

/bad boys!

Oh, for about 5 seconds – just to have some fun.

228 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:34:12am

re: #220 littleoldlady

YAHOO! Mazel tov, gmsc!

I just hit 1500 and I didn't get a cake (kicking a can down the sidewalk).

229 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:34:25am

re: #226 rustler

German chocolate! The best!

230 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:34:41am

re: #226 rustler

rustler! :-)

Looks good enough to eat! ;-)

/this beats the heck out of ants and dirt!

231 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:34:48am

re: #226 rustler

My all time favorite Cake.

You should try Baskin-Robbins german choc cake ice cream too....yum= )

232 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:35:01am

re: #208 BatGuano

re: #214 rustler


re: #215 Oldasdirt

Well this is great to know others had the same fascination with ants. My sisters still tease me about my ant wars when I was a kid.

233 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:35:16am

Top Ten Possible Letterman Reactions to Fallout Over Willow Palin Rape ‘Joke’

3. It’s just been brought to my attention that during the campaign Barack Obama declared Sarah Palin’s children off limits. So, I would just like to say that this will never happen again and I hope the President will accept my apology.

234 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:35:17am

Bah the Mathemagician broke into 5 digits numbers start th down ding campaign.

235 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:35:35am

re: #224 littleoldlady

To quote that one air-traffic controller from Airplane when he unplugs the emergency lights on the runway as the plane's coming in for a landing then plugs them back in....

"Just kidding!"

236 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:35:52am

re: #230 littleoldlady

rustler! :-)

Looks good enough to eat! ;-)

/this beats the heck out of ants and dirt!

...and we wonder why littleoldlady's career as a food critic never took off...
;)

237 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:36:04am

re: #229 theheat

German chocolate! The best!

My favorite cake is the one i'm going to eat next.

238 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:36:39am

re: #231 srb1976
Wait there is a german Chocolate icecream cake now?
Damn I live 110 miles from hte nearest baskin Robbins.

239 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:36:56am

re: #228 BatGuano

I just hit 1500 and I didn't get a cake (kicking a can down the sidewalk).

You can have some of this vintage whine....

Oh wait- I see you already helped yourself

;-)

240 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:37:14am

Damn! I should have been paying attention. I wanted to put gmsc over.

241 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:37:36am

re: #234 rustler

Bah the Mathemagician broke into 5 digits numbers start th down ding campaign.

That explains the name "rustler".

242 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:37:52am

BatGuano! :-)

243 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:38:09am
244 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:38:22am

re: #238 rustler

Wait there is a german Chocolate icecream cake now?
Damn I live 110 miles from hte nearest baskin Robbins.

There is...it's fantastic.....and I can't get it here either (probably just as well....)

245 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:39:17am

re: #232 Scorch
I used to set up arena for "bug" wars. Wasn't only ants but used beetles spiders termites centipedes and all. Would contruct earthen arenas with water hazards pit traps bridges and a 3 inch moat to keep the competitors inside. Had a crab spider who was a week long champion til he made a bad choice crossing a leaf bridge over a moat and fell in. Their carapaces turn to jelly when wet :(.

246 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:39:44am

Hey - the cake is to be enjoyed by everyone! Fenway hit 3500, and BatGuano hit 1500!

247 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:40:49am

re: #243 Iron Fist

Iron Fist! :-)

One vodka cranberry slushy, coming right up!

248 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:41:23am

Sounds like you had a promising career as an engineer.

249 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:42:23am

re: #247 littleoldlady

Iron Fist! :-)

One vodka cranberry slushy, coming right up!

Put one in the freezer for me for tomorrow...please! It's been a long week = )

250 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:42:25am

On Letterman,the creep,I watched just to see the commercials.Then sent Emails to the sponsors,to let them know I would not buy there products as long as they advertise there.May not mean a thing,but trying never hurt.

251 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:42:26am

re: #242 littleoldlady


Thank you littleoldlady. Does that have a face? It seems to be looking at me.
:)

252 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:42:51am

re: #243 Iron Fist

Can you do my fruitcup with a vodka chaser? I'm tired, can't sleep. I owe hours at work. I'm tempted to just go in, but I really need to just go lie back down.

Wah!

(Good morning Little Old Lady! :-)

re: #247 littleoldlady

Iron Fist! :-)

One vodka cranberry slushy, coming right up!

Have you tried the new alternative?

re: #210 gmsc

I've found a new drink for the LNDT.

Guinness is now for wimps. Introducing: Yögenbräu!

(Just keep clicking the right arrow icon to follow the story)

253 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:44:29am

re: #239 Fenway_Nation

Sorry I missed your 3500th.

254 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:45:18am

re: #250 Oldasdirt

From what I've seen, you're not the only one.....

255 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:45:49am

re: #246 gmsc

This is fun- I should reiterate my objection to the ambiguity of the initial DHS memo on right-wing extremism so Killgore Trout can continue to downding me resurrect my sockpuppets so I can downding myself and celebrate point #3500 all over again.

/4000 seems like such a long ways away.

256 rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:46:11am

Speaking of bugs wars Solfugid vs ants.

257 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:46:37am

Someone better save Fat Bastard a piece of cake. He likes cake.

258 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:46:48am

re: #254 srb1976

From what I've seen, you're not the only one.....

I watched the David Letterman show once. That was enough.

259 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:47:18am
260 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:47:24am

re: #251 BatGuano

Hamburger cake!

/what will they think of next? ;-)

261 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:47:40am

re: #257 Sharmuta

Someone better save Fat Bastard a piece of cake. He likes cake.

Uh, uh, I eated it.

262 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:47:53am

re: #252 gmsc

"That's a mirror, Robbie..."

;-)

263 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:49:28am

re: #258 gmsc

Ten years ago he was funny. Gradually he became more bitter, more sour, more not-funny-too-sarcastic. He always looks pissed off and inconvenienced to host his own show. This last Palin comment thing was really tasteless, and so not funny.

He has plenty of money. Time to STFU and retire.

264 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:49:38am

I dropped my cake.

265 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:50:12am

re: #264 Sharmuta

Five second rule. A little dirt won't kill ya...

266 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:51:06am

re: #259 Iron Fist

Most of us fat bastards do :-)

Did I miss something? It looks like your Karma just went over 18000. Alert us, man!

267 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:52:00am

I love the pictures like this that feed hysteria. People were claiming it was as big as a mans thigh but its only that the "Camel Spider" is so close to the lens. If you look close it's actually 2 Solfugids (Sun Scorpians the family Camel Spioders belong to) locked in a death grip. Both probably no more than 2-3 inches long tho at their largest they can hit about 5.5-6 inches in lenth.

268 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:52:08am

re: #264 Sharmuta

I dropped my cake.

You can still eat it. ;-)

269 Scorch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:52:10am

Later all, have a great day and thanks for the early morning banter. God bless our troops!

270 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:52:44am

re: #265 theheat

Five second rule. A little dirt won't kill ya...

Here we go again...

;-)

271 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:52:59am

About the cake,Thanks,but no thanks,I have to watch my girl-less figure.

272 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:53:14am

Bye, Scorch! :-)

273 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:53:33am

See ya' scorch. From your mouth to God's ear.

274 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:54:45am

Iron Fist's cake.

275 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:55:48am

In other news this week, the Boston Globe is losing money, and sent an offer to the union that would result in a 10% paycut if they accepted. The Globe management warned that, if this offer were refused, they would be forced to begin an immediate 23% paycut.

The 10% paycut was voted down, and the Globe has notified their union members that the 23% paycut will now be going into effect.

The Sulzbergers bought the Boston Globe in 1993 for 1.1 billion. Recent estimates value of sell off of the paper as totaling 85 million – 7 cents on the dollar!

Yeah, the Boston Globe probably won't be around by Christmas (I'm sure 0bama and friends will try and bail them out, however).

276 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:56:31am

re: #269 Scorch

Later all, have a great day and thanks for the early morning banter. God bless our troops!

G'Nite, Scorch!

277 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:57:08am

re: #267 Rustler

at their largest they can hit about 5.5-6 inches in lenth.

That's quite enough, thank you. I can take just about any kind of critter that floats, flies, or walks, except spiders. Mondo arachnophobia.

re: #269 Scorch

Sleep tight!

278 srb1976  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:57:20am

Well folks, as pleasant as it's been, I have to be off to the salt mines! Just doing my part to prove that american manufacturing is not quite dead yet = )

279 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:58:49am
280 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:59:03am

littleoldlady's cake.

Goodbye all who are leaving...

281 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:59:28am
282 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:59:41am

re: #278 srb1976


srb1976,Have a great day!

283 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:59:47am

re: #278 srb1976


Bye srb!

284 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:59:59am

re: #277 theheat
Solfugids aren't really spiders tho. They are more closely related to scorpians.

285 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:00:07am

re: #278 srb1976

goodbye, SRBC,

286 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:00:23am

re: #278 srb1976

Good night.

287 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:01:03am

Be back soon all doing security checks etc.

288 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:01:40am

re: #278 srb1976

Well folks, as pleasant as it's been, I have to be off to the salt mines! Just doing my part to prove that american manufacturing is not quite dead yet = )

G'nite, srb1976!

I didn't realize it was 3 already!

Well, it's been fun with all the karma milestones made tonight!

Good night, all!

289 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:01:54am

re: #284 Rustler

Creepy legs, spidery looking, probably some sort of awful toxic bite. Okay, I'll add scorpions to the list. Is it still arachnophobia?

290 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:02:35am

re: #279 Iron Fist

Sorry! Yes, I broke 18,000. I'd like to thank the Academy...

:-)

You are too modest. You gave us the Iron Fist rule which I continue to ignore.

291 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:03:38am

re: #288 gmsc

Goodnight, gmsc.

292 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:03:55am

re: #288 gmsc

'Night, gmsc.

293 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:05:13am

re: #288 gmsc

Nite gmsc.

294 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:06:41am

Was wondering,Anyone know anything about Agenda 21?
Any truth to this crap?

295 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:06:46am
296 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:06:47am

'Night, gmsc. :-)

/verybigsigh

Wish my butt wasn't glued to this chair...

/I blame the CAKE!

297 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:07:06am

re: #294 Oldasdirt

What's that?

298 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:08:22am

re: #233 Dar ul Harbarian

1. If what I said was so wrong, why haven’t feminists complained?

It is a wonder.
/

299 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:08:43am

re: #297 littleoldlady

Something about the UN stating that millions of people need to die,and the rest liveing to be kept in collectives.

300 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:09:23am

re: #288 gmsc


Bye gmsc!

301 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:09:36am

Hi lol, Fist, and everyone else even if I don't know you... yet.

302 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:10:09am

re: #299 Oldasdirt

You can goggle UN,agenda 21.

303 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:10:17am

Agenda 21?

/looking for the list of those slated to die
//hoping I'm not on it...

;-)

304 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:10:41am

J.D.! :-)

305 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:11:42am

Agenda 21

306 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:12:07am

re: #289 theheat
Yes still arachniphobia no poisonous although it is possible to have allergic reactions. Most solfugids hunt arachnids allthough as fast as they are and as powerful as their mandibles are they are quit capable of killing and eating lizards and mice as well. They are among the fastest arachnids and have been clocked doing about 6-8 MPH.

307 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:12:27am

6 things Iran could do if Israel attacks

by Bolton

308 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:12:35am

re: #301 J.D.

Hi lol, Fist, and everyone else even if I don't know you... yet.

J.D. You're Karma is at exactly 1600! Which is a theme tonight,

309 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:13:07am

re: #297 littleoldlady

310 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:14:07am

re: #309 Oldasdirt

Pretty scary plan if you ask me.

311 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:14:53am

It doesn't look as though there is much happening on Agenda 21.
Wonder who's idea that was.
Division for Sustainable Development

312 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:15:24am

Gotta love working in a hotel with a no pets/no smoking policy and while delivering receipts and running security checks i go by one room where i could smell cig smoke and when i deliver the receipts get barked at by a dog. Made a note for management but they gonna be crying later after he charges em for having to Ozone the room and deep clean the carpets since we advertise our no pets/smoking policy as hypoallergenic.

313 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:15:28am

re: #306 Rustler

Gee, well, when you put it like that, they sound irresistible.

//uber creepy

314 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:15:56am

re: #308 BatGuano

J.D. You're Karma is at exactly 1600! Which is a theme tonight,

It is?
*wide eyes*

315 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:16:21am

re: #310 Oldasdirt

It looks as though it's from 2004.

Then again, pretty much every "plan" the UN proposes is scary!

316 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:16:49am

re: #314 J.D.

It is?
*wide eyes*

Ooops it's at 1602.

317 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:17:56am

re: #311 J.D.

It doesn't look as though there is much happening on Agenda 21.
Wonder who's idea that was.
Division for Sustainable Development

Well,I heard that BO was bringing it back up again at the UN on his next meeting with them(UN).

318 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:18:20am

re: #316 BatGuano

Ooops it's at 1602.

1603!

Why is that?
I thought I'd gotten myself in trouble here yesterday...

319 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:18:20am

re: #312 Rustler

You found me! Busted! Those are my menthols you're smelling and my JRT barking ;-)

Sorry. I won't let it happen again.

320 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:19:13am

Agenda 21: Sounds like a lot of black helicopter horseshit, but you never know. Let's take a look.

Let's see, it does exist, it's one of the "sustainable development" projects -- here's their own intro page:


Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.
Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, and the Statement of principles for the Sustainable Management of Forests were adopted by more than 178 Governments at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992.

The Commission on Sustainable Development (CSD) was created in December 1992 to ensure effective follow-up of UNCED, to monitor and report on implementation of the agreements at the local, national, regional and international levels. It was agreed that a five year review of Earth Summit progress would be made in 1997 by the United Nations General Assembly meeting in special session.

The full implementation of Agenda 21, the Programme for Further Implementation of Agenda 21 and the Commitments to the Rio principles, were strongly reaffirmed at the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD) held in Johannesburg, South Africa from 26 August to 4 September 2002.

SOUNDS LIKE it's a real sustainable development thing which has been "interpreted" by rightist troofers as implying decades of massacres and globalized slavery. But you never know. We'll look some more.

321 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:19:43am

re: #318 J.D.

1603!

Why is that?
I thought I'd gotten myself in trouble here yesterday...

All is forgiven, whatever the fuck it was.

322 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:19:56am

re: #317 Oldasdirt

Well,I heard that BO was bringing it back up again at the UN on his next meeting with them(UN).

Well why not? It's another forum where he can apologize for our existence.

323 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:20:38am

Agenda 21 Table of Contents:

Agenda 21 - Table of Contents
Chapter Paragraphs
1. Preamble 1.1 - 1.6

SECTION I. SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DIMENSIONS


2. International cooperation to accelerate sustainable development in developing countries and related domestic policies 2.1 - 2.43
3. Combating poverty 3.1 - 3.12
4. Changing consumption patterns 4.1 - 4.27
5. Demographic dynamics and sustainability 5.1 - 5.66
6. Protecting and promoting human health conditions 6.1 - 6.46
7. Promoting sustainable human settlement development 7.1 - 7.80
8. Integrating environment and development in decision-making 8.1 - 8.54

SECTION II. CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT OF RESOURCES FOR DEVELOPMENT


9. Protection of the atmosphere 9.1 - 9.35
10. Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources 10.1 - 10.18
11. Combating deforestation 11.1 - 11.40
12. Managing fragile ecosystems: combating desertification and drought 12.1 - 12.63
13. Managing fragile ecosystems: sustainable mountain development 13.1 - 13.24
14. Promoting sustainable agriculture and rural development 14.1 - 14.104
15. Conservation of biological diversity 15.1 - 15.11
16. Environmentally sound management of biotechnology 16.1 - 16.46
17. Protection of the oceans, all kinds of seas, including enclosed and semi-enclosed seas, and coastal areas and the protection, rational use and development of their living resources 17.1 - 17.136
18. Protection of the quality and supply of freshwater resources: application of integrated approaches to the development, management and use of water resources 18.1 - 18.90
19. Environmentally sound management of toxic chemicals, including prevention of illegal international traffic in toxic and dangerous products 19.1 - 19.76
20. Environmentally sound management of hazardous wastes, in hazardous wastes 20.1 - 20.46
21. Environmentally sound management of solid wastes and sewage-related issues 21.1 - 21.49
22. Safe and environmentally sound management of radioactive wastes 22.1 - 22.9

SECTION III. STRENGTHENING THE ROLE OF MAJOR GROUPS


23. Preamble 23.1 - 23.4
24. Global action for women towards sustainable and equitable development 24.1 - 24.12
25. Children and youth in sustainable development 25.1 - 25.17
26. Recognizing and strengthening the role of indigenous people and their communities 26.1 - 26.9
27. Strengthening the role of non-governmental organizations: partners for sustainable development 27.1 - 27.13
28. Local authorities' initiatives in support of Agenda 21 28.1 - 28.7
29. Strengthening the role of workers and their trade unions 29.1 - 29.14
30. Strengthening the role of business and industry 30.1 - 30.30
31. Scientific and technological community 31.1 - 31.12
32. Strengthening the role of farmers 32.1 - 32.14

SECTION IV. MEANS OF IMPLEMENTATION


33. Financial resources and mechanisms 33.1 - 33.21
34. Transfer of environmentally sound technology, cooperation and capacity-building 34.1 - 34.29
35. Science for sustainable development 35.1 - 35.25
36. Promoting education, public awareness and training 36.1 - 36.27
37. National mechanisms and international cooperation for capacity-building in developing countries 37.1 - 37.13
38. International institutional arrangements 38.1 - 38.45
39. International legal instruments and mechanisms 39.1 - 39.10
40. Information for decision-making 40.1 - 40.30

* * * * *

* For section I (Social and economic dimensions), see A/CONF.151/26 (Vol. I); for section III (Strengthening the role of major groups) and section IV (Means of implementation), see A.CONF/151/26 (Vol. III).

* For section II (Conservation and management of resources for development), see A/CONF.151/26 (Vol. II); for section III (Strengthening the role of major groups) and section IV (Means of implementation), see A/CONF.151/26 (Vol. III).

* For section I (Social and economic dimensions), see A/CONF.151/26 (Vol. I); for section II (Conservation and management of resources for development), see A/CONF.151/26 (Vol. II).

324 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:21:02am

re: #322 J.D.

Well why not? It's another forum where he can apologize for our existence.

I heard it on a late night trucker talk show.LOL.

325 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:21:52am

re: #321 BatGuano

All is forgiven, whatever the fuck it was.

[shrug]
Well, that's good. :D

326 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:22:30am

re: #323 haakondahl

May I have the Readers Digest version?

327 songbird  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:22:45am

Greetings, Lizards of the Morning!

I'm sitting in my cushy resort apartment in Maryland - no longer in New Mexico. Rain has not started yet, but we have a 70% chance today. It's a find day for job hunting and its good to be back in the LGF fray now that we have reliable internets!

328 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:23:25am

re: #323 haakondahl

SECTION I. SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DIMENSIONS
2. International cooperation to accelerate sustainable development in developing countries and related domestic policies 2.1 - 2.43
3. Combating poverty 3.1 - 3.12

Combating poverty. Here we go again.

329 UncleRancher  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:24:28am

re: #320 haakondahl

Good Morning! ... In my view it is much more sinister than all that. It is bureaucracy in its most refined form that will numb the mind of the reader and induce a schizophrenia of mutually contradictory activities designed to consume vast amounts of money while accomplishing nothing.

330 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:24:32am

re: #326 BatGuano

May I have the Readers Digest version?

The truckers said they were going to put all the people into small areas
called stack and pack,not let us out to spoil the environment.

331 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:24:39am

re: #323 haakondahl

Agenda 21

/BTW, everyone knows that the A-21 helos are a dark olive green, not black!

332 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:25:42am

re: #329 UncleRancher

What ^^^ UncleRancher ^^^ said.

333 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:25:53am

re: #330 Oldasdirt

sounds good to me. Where do I sign up?

334 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:26:44am

re: #330 Oldasdirt

The truckers said they were going to put all the people into small areas
called stack and pack,not let us out to spoil the environment.

And I always love that angle... as though they don't spoil the environment.

335 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:27:09am

re: #328 theheat

COMBATING POVERTY

336 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:27:39am

re: #326 BatGuano
No such version the language in it is deliberately incomprehensible as a form of blanket protection hey we let you read it it isn't our fault you were to dumb to protest and encourage your leadership to vote no.

337 UncleRancher  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:28:14am

re: #331 freetoken

Down in the Wiki entry there is a link to "easy read version" that goes.... nowhere.

338 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:28:59am

Here's the scariest thing I've found in Agenda 21 so far:

Objectives

25.4. Each country should, in consultation with its youth communities, establish a process to promote dialogue between the youth community and Government at all levels and to establish mechanisms that permit youth access to information and provide them with the opportunity to present their perspectives on government decisions, including the implementation of Agenda 21.

...followed shortly by...

25.7. Each country and the United Nations should support the promotion and creation of mechanisms to involve youth representation in all United Nations processes in order to influence those processes.

This is the mechanism for erosion of sovereignty. This amounts to UN functionaries, no matter how pure of heart and well-intended they may be, bypassing the government by bypassing the adults of a society. If you thought that having the U.S. government talking to your kids was sketchy, you'll love when the UN talks to them. And listens to them. And cooks up and implements insane schemes justified by claiming that the UN knows better than the US gov't how to govern of our children, by our children, and for our children.

25.4 connects our children to our government. With that in place, 25.7 substitutes the UN for our government.

I'm not saying that this is intentional, as in black helicopters, despite the fact that it is quite intentional, as in Save The Earth, For The Children! But the intent matters little. They don't take your guns first on the way to totalitarianism--they take your kids, and the kids take your guns.

339 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:29:04am

re: #329 UncleRancher

Every time combating poverty is a goal, it amounts to throwing [other people's] money into huge piles and lighting it on fire.

I can combat ants, viruses, dirt, scary people... Just how the fuck do you combat poverty?

340 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:29:27am

re: #337 UncleRancher

The full monty is easy enough to decipher.

341 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:29:32am

re: #333 BatGuano

sounds good to me. Where do I sign up?

Never be able to drive to see the Grand canyon,Yellowstone,Mt. Rushmore.
Stay in one place all your life.
Where do I sign up to fight hat kind of thing.

342 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:29:44am

re: #328 theheat

Combating poverty. Here we go again.

Talk about redundant!
They ought to donate whatever $ they get to the poor and let someone else who actually accomplishes something give that a try.

343 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:30:28am

re: #336 Rustler

No such version the language in it is deliberately incomprehensible as a form of blanket protection hey we let you read it it isn't our fault you were to dumb to protest and encourage your leadership to vote no.

Thanks. Clear as Kafka.

344 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:31:23am

re: #335 freetoken

I see words like funding, resources, etc.

Translation: throw lots and lots of money at the problem.

After all, it's worked so well in Africa.

//

345 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:31:30am

re: #339 theheat

Every time combating poverty is a goal, it amounts to throwing [other people's] money into huge piles and lighting it on fire.

I can combat ants, viruses, dirt, scary people... Just how the fuck do you combat poverty?

Declare war on poverty!

Oh... that's been done already...

346 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:31:50am

re: #339 theheat


I can combat ants, viruses, dirt, scary people... Just how the fuck do you combat poverty?

With other people's money,,,

/DUH!

347 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:32:04am

re: #339 theheat If everyone is poor and noone is rich then there is no poverty. Barackonomics 101.

348 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:32:55am

re: #341 Oldasdirt

Just kidding.

349 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:34:12am

re: #346 Fenway_Nation

Unfortunately....Yeah.

350 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:34:29am

As far as I'm concerned the UN can go p*ss in the wind. Whatever they do doesn't matter as long as WE don't sign on to it. So, let's cut to the chase...Obama needs to be stopped. Period. End of story.

Good day, ALL!™

351 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:35:18am

re: #350 littleoldlady

YES!
Have a good one!

352 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:35:56am

In about 30 minutes i have to go deal with a French company over a flightstick.
When i'm done i will have to shower.Dealing with the French just makes me feel that way.

353 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:36:01am

re: #350 littleoldlady

'Been a treat.

354 UncleRancher  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:36:20am

re: #350 littleoldlady

As far as I'm concerned the UN can go p*ss in the wind. Whatever they do doesn't matter as long as WE don't sign on to it. So, let's cut to the chase...Obama needs to be stopped. Period. End of story.

Good day, ALL!™

Initiative, referendum and recall. That's it, recall.

355 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:37:04am

re: #350 littleoldlady

Goodnight , lol,

356 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:38:13am

re: #350 eoldladylittl

Good night littleoldlady

357 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:39:21am

Well lizards....it's been past my bedtime for the last 2 hours. I'm as worn out, tired, battered, useless and pathetic as a Yankee starting pitcher at Fenway Park in the 3rd inning.

I should call it a night.

/Did I mention the Red Sox are 7-0 against the Yankees so far? I didn't?
Well....that would be unbecoming of me- I'll leave that to loppyd or Cape Coddah or Kosh's Shadow.

358 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:40:19am

re: #357 Fenway_Nation

Night.

359 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:40:42am

re: #356 Oldasdirt

Oldasdirt. What is that in your avatar? "I have a deram", I have a draem?

360 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:41:43am

re: #357 Fenway_Nation

G'night, Fenway.

361 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:41:53am

re: #359 BatGuano

Oldasdirt. What is that in your avatar? "I have a deram", I have a draem?

Couple of intelligent Obama girls.

362 theheat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:41:55am

re: #357 Fenway_Nation

'Night Fenway.

It's way late here, too. Need to get some paperwork done before daylight. Night All, I'm officially back on the clock for work.

363 songbird  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:42:07am

What does the collective lizard mind think about those who say the entire population of the world could fit in Texas?

Some of the overpopulation activists are claiming that grain production per person has decreased since '83 and that there are fewer fish per person now. As I see things, there are incredible untapped resources in the world.

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

364 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:42:38am

re: #361 Oldasdirt

I thought as much.

365 UncleRancher  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:43:53am

G'nite everone. Got cats to herd in the morning.

366 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:45:07am

re: #365 UncleRancher

G'nite everone. Got cats to herd in the morning.

Lot's of luck, UncleRancher. :)

367 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:46:54am

Nite Fenway.

368 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:47:53am

re: #363 songbird

I knew a TCU professor that put it like this.If you took the world population of 6 billion(at that time) and the earth was the size of a soccer ball,we would be the size of a piss ant.(ants again,OMG).His question was,"What can a piss ant do to a soccer ball.

369 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:48:17am

re: #363 songbird
The grain per person ratio is down because we have fewer people willing to farm. Farmland is a finite resource and unfortuneately the best farmland tends to be where people want to build cities. With modern technologies tho there is little need to worry about any real grain shortage in the coming years as we are able to grow more on less than we previously were able too.

370 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:48:19am

Double-plus ungood:


25.14. Governments should take active steps to:
...
(e) Mobilize communities through schools and local health centres so that children and their parents become effective focal points for sensitization of communities to environmental issues;

This goes to 25.4 above, as the putative mechainsm. Schools and health services are explicitly identified here as the locations for influencing children ("and their parents", either by extension or directly).

Earlier in this section:

B. Children in sustainable development

Basis for action

25.12. (A)Children not only will inherit the responsibility of looking after the Earth, but in many developing countries they comprise nearly half the population. (B)Furthermore, children in both developing and industrialized countries are highly vulnerable to the effects of environmental degradation. (C)They are also highly aware supporters of environmental thinking. (D)The specific interests of children need to be taken fully into account in the participatory process on environment and development in order to safeguard the future sustainability of any actions taken to improve the environment.

I added the (A) marks, to aid in my interpretation:

(A) The threat posed by present children to the future of the UN. Either they support the UN later in life, or they don't.
(B) Emotional blackmail. Support the UN's environmental initiatives, or the kids die.
(C) Proof that the mechanism works.
(D) Cover story.

Again, I don't think that the UN or their functionaries are evil, but where you sit determines where you stand. If you are involved closely with the UN, then you naturally think that centralized control is better than what you perceive as no control, and the sovereign authorities of parents and nations mean less than the program you have been assigned to work on.

They are not evil, just wrong. But they are so wrong that the results can be evil.

371 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:48:31am

re: #327 songbird

Greetings, Lizards of the Morning!

I'm sitting in my cushy resort apartment in Maryland - no longer in New Mexico. Rain has not started yet, but we have a 70% chance today. It's a find day for job hunting and its good to be back in the LGF fray now that we have reliable internets!

I missed your post. Greetings. That's quite a move! Welcome back!

372 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:49:17am

re: #363 songbird
But Yes I'd believe the entire population of the world could fit in texas if it was as densely populated as hongkong.

373 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:51:12am

re: #370 haakondahl
Indoctrinate the children then when done with them lock up the parents who don't tout the new line.

374 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:51:33am

re: #370 haakondahl

They are not evil, just wrong. But they are so wrong that the results can be evil.


If only this was the only area in which they were that wrong.

375 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:53:02am

Goodnight/Good morning everyone. BatGuano out.

376 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:53:34am

re: #375 BatGuano

G'night BatGuano

377 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:53:40am

Nite BG.

378 Oldasdirt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:57:49am

Enjoyed it folks,but now i'm off to deal with the French.
God bless of troops,see ya

379 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:59:14am
It was a sobering breakfast with one of the smartest Republicans on Capitol Hill. We can fix a lot of bad stuff President Barack Obama might do, he told me. But if Mr. Obama signs into law a "public option," government-run insurance program as part of health-care reform we won't be able to undo the damage. ...

...a public option will undercut private insurers and pass the tab to taxpayers and health providers just as it does in existing government-run programs. For example, Medicare pays hospitals 71% and doctors 81% of what private insurers pay.

Who covers the rest? Government passes the bill for the outstanding balance to providers and families not covered by government programs. This cost-shifting amounts to a forced subsidy. Families pay about $1,800 more a year for someone else's health care as a result, according to a recent study by Milliman Inc. It's also why many doctors limit how many Medicare patients they take: They can afford only so much charity care.

Fixing prices at less than market rates will continue under any public option. Sen. Edward Kennedy's proposal, for example, has Washington paying providers what Medicare does plus 10%. That will lead to health providers offering less care. ...

... the public option is just phony. It's a bait-and-switch tactic meant to reassure people that the president's goals are less radical than they are. Mr. Obama's real aim, as some candid Democrats admit, is a single-payer, government-run health-care system.

Health care desperately needs far-reaching reforms that put patients and their doctors in charge, bring the benefits of competition and market forces to bear, and ensure access to affordable and portable health care for every American. Republicans have plans to achieve this, and they must make their case for reform in every available forum.

Defeating the public option should be a top priority for the GOP this year. Otherwise, our nation will be changed in damaging ways almost impossible to reverse.


How to Stop Socialized Health Care
Five arguments Republicans must make.

380 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:00:24am

Texas Area 268,820SQ Miles

Hong Kong population density 16,452/SQ mile

Global Population 6,783,421,727

6,783,421,727/268,820 =25,234.06 so if the whole world lived in texas it would be about 50% as densely populated as Hong Kong.

381 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:01:14am

re: #380 Rustler
50% more densely populated than hong kong sorry not as.

382 bill shears  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:02:17am

Thomas Wolfe in this same book has an incredible passage about food. No one will ever write, or be allowed to write, like that again.

383 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:07:04am

To wit:

Go with the flow [Mark Steyn]

This story from Le Journal de Montréal is en français, but you don't have to know the lingo of the Continent to figure out the meaning of le mot "incontinent":

Des patients souffrant d'un problème d'incontinence grave doivent attendre jusqu'à trois ans pour une opération qui dure à peine 30 minutes.

- which means: In the Province of Quebec, patients suffering from serious incontinence - ie, they have to aller aux toilettes jusqu'à 12 fois par nuit (that's 12 times a night) - have to wait three years for a half-hour operation. That's 3 years times 365 nights times 12 trips to the bathroom.

There are only two urologists in the province who perform the operation, in part because hospital budgets are so tight they decline to buy the necessary "neurostimulator".

The central point about socialized medicine is that restricting access is the only means of controlling costs. And, when comparisons of health "costs" between nations are made, the time you spend in the bathroom each night and the subsequent impact on your work performance the following day are not factored in.

Of course, if you get sick of the three-year wait, you can always drive a couple of hours south, with frequent rest stops, to Fletcher Allen Hospital in Vermont or Dartmouth-Hitchcock in New Hampshire, and write a check. For the moment. Once the US system has been "reformed" so that its wait lists are up to Euro-Canadian standards, poor incontinent Quebeckers will have to drive to Costa Rica. And that's a lot more rest stops.


Go with the flow [Mark Steyn]

384 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:08:38am

'Morning y'all.

I've got an hour before the HVAC techs get here.

Storms rolled through last night, cutting intraweb tube connectivity, snapping power poles, downing trees, and some property damage, including a house fire set by lightening knocking a power pole onto a house. Rainbows this morning, however, and so far the only injury seems to be a youngster struck by lightening (sometimes it just ain't your day).

It could have been much worse. I understand that Dallas was hit by the same system, too.

Now, I expect that someone today will try to drive through floodwaters and get swept away. That seems to be the way it goes. Newcomers to the area, and for that matter some long-term residents, don't recognise the danger of rushing water vs. automobile.

But all in all, it's all good.

385 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:10:24am

re: #379 J.D.

Chilling.

386 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:15:11am

Good morning.

Look for the market to open on the upside this morning.


In other news, mortgage foreclosures near record highs. And th eMSM is making excuses for Obama.

May US Foreclosures 3rd Highest Month on Record


U.S. foreclosure activity for May ebbed from April's record, but mortgages still failed at a staggering pace as President Barack Obama's rescue programs had not had time to fully take root, RealtyTrac said on Thursday.

Foreclosure filings dipped 6 percent in the month but increased 18 percent from May 2008, marking the third highest month on record.

There were almost one million foreclosure filings in a three-month period, and that's simply unprecedented," Rick Sharga, senior vice president at RealtyTrac in Irvine, California, said in an interview.

How is that hope and change working for you?

Have you had enough yet?

387 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:17:03am

Bawney Fwanks doesn't think the Obama/geitner plan to cap executives salaries goes far enough.

To Rep. Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Geithner's plan doesn't go far enough.

"It is not the government's business to discourage risk taking," said Frank, D-Mass. "But neither should we allow systems which have existed up until now whereby decision-makers are handsomely rewarded if they take big risks that pay off, but suffer no penalty whatsoever if those risks result in losses to the company."

388 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:18:26am

re: #386 3 wood

How is that hope and change working for you?

Have you had enough yet?

I still have some change in my pocket obviously it's not enough.

389 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:20:01am

re: #386 3 wood

In other news, mortgage foreclosures near record highs. And the th eMSM state run media is making excuses for Obama.

FTFY

390 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:20:16am

re: #363 songbird


I'd love to hear your thoughts.

The surface area of a sphere is 4�������πππππππr², so surface area is not the problem, per se.

Some fish stocks have indeed declined, and some so much that fishing of them is curtailed.

The FAO tracks world grain stocks. After declining in the recent past (partly by serious droughts), significantly enough that warnings went out, this year's grain crop is expected to be large enough to alleviate any immediate concern:
[Link: www.fao.org...]

391 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:21:26am

This is interesting:
Judge Orders Auction in a Rebuke to Delphi Plan

A U.S. bankruptcy court Wednesday sided with a group of Delphi Corp. lenders who said a government-led plan to sell the auto-parts maker's operations to a private-equity fund trampled on their rights.

Judge Robert Drain ordered Delphi to hold an auction and allow bids to challenge the government-brokered sale to Platinum Equity. "What's so special about Platinum?" asked Judge Drain. "They're just guys in suits. Why can't the other guys in suits just pay more?'

The ruling is a victory for a group of hedge funds who stand to 80% or more of their roughly $2.5 billion in debtor-in-possession

I guess Delphi should have been raiding bondholders to enrich a labor union and it would have passed muster.

392 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:21:58am

Unicode gets messed up at times.. don't know why.

Surface area of a sphere is proportional to the radius squared. Through in a "pi" and a 4 and you're good....

393 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:22:18am

re: #387 Rustler

But neither should we allow systems which have existed up until now whereby decision-makers are handsomely rewarded if they take big risks that pay off, but suffer no penalty whatsoever if those risks result in losses to the company."

Punishing success is now the fashion.

394 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:22:26am

Barney Frank gets delay in GM distribution center closing.

Apparently one of the 17 GM parts distributers on the Blocks was in Congreesman Franks District and he didn't like the idea of when it was closing.

395 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:22:57am

re: #389 rightside

Sorry, my oversight.

396 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:23:21am

PIMF... "throw"...

/it must be getting late...

397 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:24:12am

Folks are still pondering the implications, but a new statewide poll says that perhaps 42% of Arkansans now call themselves Independents, more than either Republicans or Democrats.

This mid-term election could be rough on incumbents. There is a 'pox on both parties' sentiment growing in the land.

This could get interesting, if enough people decide 'to hell with 'em' at the same time.

398 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:24:33am

re: #370 haakondahl

The UN is nothing but an unconstrained money pit.

399 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:24:36am

re: #393 3 wood
Yep I just find it Funny Bawney can say anything about rewarding failure when he is probably one of the most guilty of doing so.

400 songbird  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:24:59am

re: #369 Rustler

The grain per person ratio is down because we have fewer people willing to farm. Farmland is a finite resource and unfortuneately the best farmland tends to be where people want to build cities. With modern technologies tho there is little need to worry about any real grain shortage in the coming years as we are able to grow more on less than we previously were able too.

I agree with you there. Here in the US many farmers place land that is harder but not impossible to farm in the CRP program (colloquially called 'crap land') and collect govt monies for this land. Try to pull that land into production and you raise a stink from environmentalists!

401 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:26:03am

re: #394 Rustler

Apparently one of the 17 GM parts distributers on the Blocks was in Congreesman Franks District and he didn't like the idea of when it was closing.

Yes, he made a phone call and got the place kept open.

So much for government not to run the auto industry.

Now, take that influence and intimidation factor and apply it to the health care industry.

402 songbird  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:26:43am

re: #381 Rustler

50% more densely populated than hong kong sorry not as.

Well, throw New Mexico in there and people will have a little elbow room!

403 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:27:51am

re: #402 songbird Hell no Keep out of my state I like my Open spaces.

404 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:28:34am

re: #403 Rustler
Leave em all in Texas I'll properly care for New Mexico for em.

405 songbird  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:32:31am

re: #371 J.D.

I missed your post. Greetings. That's quite a move! Welcome back!

It is good to be back, JD! I'm marveling at the lush greenness that surrounds me here on the east coast!

406 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:34:34am

I see that Glenn is linking the Daily Standard reports that yesterdays Museum murderer hated Jews, neocons, and Bill O'Reilly. Glenn also links to a site claiming and quoting statements that are anti-Christian, and claiming 9/11 trooferism, and hating on Bush and McCain.

This dude looks to be nuttier than a Stuckey's pecan log.

407 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:36:03am

re: #392 freetoken
Unicode been having lots of problems lately properly embedding so only the ascii character shows up. At least I've been seeing the errors a lot more not sure if it's just more folks using it.

408 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:36:46am

re: #406 razorbacker

I see that Glenn is linking the Daily Standard reports that yesterdays Museum murderer hated Jews, neocons, and Bill O'Reilly. Glenn also links to a site claiming and quoting statements that are anti-Christian, and claiming 9/11 trooferism, and hating on Bush and McCain.

This dude looks to be nuttier than a Stuckey's pecan log.

Yeah some people, not that I'd name drop, are using this wacko to support all their political and social claims. Makes me sick. But that's just me.

409 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:37:41am

re: #406 razorbacker
Beck, James von Brunn, or all of the above? My vote is on All the Above.

410 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:42:04am

re: #407 Rustler

It baffles me.

Sometimes ▓◪◌◈✯☋⚄♨�� and at other times ⑮❀��⌦��☕.

Know what I mean?

411 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:42:33am

re: #385 rightside

Chilling.

Did you know there are more MRI machines in the city of Philadelphia than there are in all of Canada?

Obamacare isn't what most people would sign on for if they had any idea what it meant.

412 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:43:06am

CHRISTIANITY and the HOLOCAUST.
by James W. von Brunn

As duped Aryan sheep begin to understand the "Holocaust" they also begin to better understand Christianity. Both have similar origins. Both have identical objectives...Saul, ten years younger, had not met The Master vis a vis before Jesus' crucifixion. Had they met earlier Saul probably would have crushed Christ's head with a rock. Saul, and most Israelis, detested Jesus and his blasphemous ideology almost as much as they detested Romans; more even than they detested Greeks, Babylonians, Assyrians, Canaanites, Egyptians, Persians, et al. In truth, as bigoted Judeophobes know, God's "Chosen People" hated their God's only Son...

Matthew emphatically states that Israelis so hated Jesus Christ that THEY crucified him (Pope John Paul II, Zionist, said that Matthew is wrong! What's that? "The Word of God" is wrong?)...The Big Lie technique, employed by Paul to create the CHRISTIAN RELIGION, also was used to create the HOLOCAUST RELIGION ... CHRISTIANITY AND THE HOLOCAUST are HOAXES.

"Christianity" destroyed Roman Civilization. The "Holocaust" Religion is destroying Western Civilization. The Aryan gene-pool dies, "unwept, unhonored and unsung."

Wow. And just remember. This guy's vote counts just as much as does yours.

So vote twice.

413 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:43:38am

re: #408 Nevergiveup
Some really Sick Bastards at Stormfront cheering this while others are already starting a Zionist conspiracy theory around this and the Dr Tiller murder claiming the timing was just to good. I.e Tiller died as Obama was pushing for late term abortions etc.

414 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:44:17am

re: #409 Rustler

Beck, James von Brunn, or all of the above? My vote is on All the Above.

Not Glenn Beck, Glenn Reynolds. Instapundit.

415 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:44:51am

re: #410 freetoken
Should have seen the other day when I tryed to post something in Hiragana. A 5 line post took up a full board page so I had to go back and delete it.

416 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:44:59am

re: #384 razorbacker

Glad to hear things weren't too bad for you down your way.

417 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:45:56am

re: #414 razorbacker
Ahh wrong Glenn hehe heard whackjob saw the name can you really blame me for thinking of Beck?

418 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:46:22am

re: #415 Rustler

Strange... for me ひらがな　usually works fine... but on a rare occasion the last character gets screwed up.

Perhaps Stinky needs to beat the hamsters more often?

419 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:47:22am

re: #411 J.D.

It wouldn't surprise me. The scary part is that it can't be undone.

420 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:48:32am

re: #418 freetoken
Wasn't here I had the problems. But I'm sure the Hamster are getting fat, lazy, and complacent so could use a beating anyway. Just remarking that it's a problem I'm noticing more lately than in the past.

421 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:49:08am

re: #416 J.D.

Glad to hear things weren't too bad for you down your way.

Thanks. Our place is located in such a way as to be fairly well protected from the worst of the weather. We're tucked about half-way up the north face of a hill, and in a slight indentation. Too tall for floodwater, and too well covered for all but a direct hit from tornadoes.

Just luck, we didn't even consider that when we bought.

422 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:50:42am

re: #419 rightside

It wouldn't surprise me. The scaryist part is that it can't be undone.


FTFY
It's all scary.

423 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:50:57am

re: #417 Rustler

Ahh wrong Glenn hehe heard whackjob saw the name can you really blame me for thinking of Beck?

Well, yeah. I mean, you hear 'hee haw' you first think jackass, not politician.

Although that is changing.

424 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:51:23am

re: #413 Rustler
Here is that ranting about these things being just to convenient not linking to Stormfront tho.

The guy who shot the abortion doctor Tiller, just when Obama wanted late term abortions, thereby providing the abortion promoters a 'martyr" to rally around.

The black Muslims convert, shooting the American soldier and saying he thought it was justified, thereby attempting to cause hatred of Muslims and make any one opposed to the wars look like a crazy radical besides attempting drum up support for the Iraq and Afghanistan war.

And now a supposed "White Supremist" goes and shoots a guard at a museum thereby attempting to gain sympathy for the jewish community and being used to promote the hollowco$t dogma and villify holocaust Revisionist scholars.

Not my views just amazed at how fast they come up with these conspiracies.

425 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:57:27am

re: #419 rightside

It wouldn't surprise me. The scary part is that it can't be undone.


Just imagine the lack of medical progress made once there is not a profit in it anymore. TB and smallpox will be making a comeback as the anti-vaccination crowd will become all the rage.

426 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:59:13am

re: #425 soxfan4life

I coverage through tricare prime, being retired military. I want to know if that will go away? Technically, that's already govt run health care. We get to see regular civilian Drs. though.

427 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:00:35am

re: #426 rightside
I think i heard Veteran's health benefits will get rolled into the new Govt system. But that might have just been terrified rantings or the worst possible scenario.

428 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:00:39am

re: #426 rightside

I coverage through tricare prime, being retired military. I want to know if that will go away? Technically, that's already govt run health care. We get to see regular civilian Drs. though.

I hope the do not fuck with tricare. It's the best benefit I have.

429 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:01:42am

re: #424 Rustler

The conspiracies come fast and loose, don't they? Yeah, when I last checked out the Beckians, some there were wondering if Tiller's shooting wasn't a set-up of some kind.

430 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:02:30am

re: #426 rightside

I coverage through tricare prime, being retired military. I want to know if that will go away? Technically, that's already govt run health care. We get to see regular civilian Drs. though.

I've certainly never met anyone unhappy with Medicade or Medicare. They all seem blissfully happy with their health care.

431 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:04:42am

Aw'ite. I have to go. HVAC guys should be here soon.

432 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:05:51am

re: #428 Nevergiveup

I agree. I am sure there are horror stories, but fortunately, we haven't had too much bad happen. When my son had to have an emergency appendectomy, we took him to the local hospital, and I think I paid less the $100 out of pocket. Thanks to those who produce, providing their taxes to help fund it.

I would hate to have that disappear.

433 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:06:55am

re: #430 razorbacker
That's because as it stands now People on Medicade and Medicare are having their treatment's subsidized by those not on the program. Once there is noone off the Program which is what will eventually happen is you will be unable to get prompt medical care.

434 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:08:32am

Ten more things about the official Kennedy-Dodd health care bill

Comment:

ClearwaterCub
June 11th, 2009 at 7:19 am · Reply

I say we go with the mass health care plan. Only one caveat, Congress and the President must agree to only use the same resources and plan afforded to the public. To stray from the plan they would have to resign first.

I'm for that!

435 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:08:33am

re: #432 rightside

I agree. I am sure there are horror stories, but fortunately, we haven't had too much bad happen. When my son had to have an emergency appendectomy, we took him to the local hospital, and I think I paid less the $100 out of pocket. Thanks to those who produce, providing their taxes to help fund it.

I would hate to have that disappear.

Well I don't think Obama will have such smooth sailing ruining the American Health care system. The AMA came out today against it. Anyway, with Tricare, all my family Dr.s take it, maybe out of courtesy?, and we hardly pay much. And it is dirt cheap for me. We love it.

436 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:10:11am

There's that little business rule pick 2 of 3 below.

You can have it done fast.
You can have it done Cheap.
You can have it done right.

Corrolaries are You can have it done fast and cheap but it won't be done right, You can have it cheap and right but it won't be fast etc.

Well when Govt gets involved options 1 and 3 typically disappear and option 2 becomes a relative term.

437 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:11:43am

re: #435 Nevergiveup
So many groups are coming out against it I don't see it happening but I'm hoping(there is that word again) it's not wishful thinking.

438 badger1970  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:11:57am

Good morning, all. Triple digit temps (degree F) on the way and through the weekend., slight breeze and no rain in the near future. The corn is wilting and the cotton needs help. In other words, Texas summer.

439 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:12:42am

I'm starting to think by 2012 hope will be a 4 letter word both literally and figuratively.

440 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:13:48am

re: #435 Nevergiveup

He may not, however, as I have posted before, I believe he realizes this is his only chance to get it through. With majorities in both house and senate, he has a small window of opportunity in which to do so. He won't let this chance slip by, IMO.

441 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:15:36am

re: #440 rightside
Problem is people in is own party are coming out against it. Allthough it seems more in hte interests of not sharing off Republicans. They are asking for private coop's of hte insured to run the companies instead of the Govt.

442 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:15:51am

re: #440 rightside

Adding to that, as liberals do, they know what's best for you. He will simply say, we've inherited this huge mess (from Bush), and we need to take steps to correct it now, which will lead us to better things in the future. You know, all that hope and change stuff.

443 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:16:14am
NEW YORK (Fortune) -- America is finally getting a detailed look at the sweeping, long-awaited health-care reform platform championed by President Obama. This week the Democrats have unveiled their two primary proposals -- a 700-plus page bill in the Senate and the outline of the forthcoming version in the House that presents essentially the same blueprint for change.

The crucial question about Obama's agenda has always been whether it really will slow the disastrous rise in health-care spending, or actually increase it while hiding the real costs of the new system. On analyzing the bills, the conclusion is inescapable: Obama promises Americans what appears to be a bargain by heavily subsidizing their premiums. But the only way to pay for what's really outrageously expensive coverage will be huge tax increases, especially on the same middle class that's being wooed as the chief beneficiary of reform.

The plans contain four proposals that will substantially weaken the ability of the market, already limited by burdensome regulation, to restrain medical spending. ...

...4.) The so-called public option is now included in both the Senate and House bills, and is strongly endorsed by Obama. Under the public option, the exchanges would offer a plan resembling Medicare for more than 100 million working Americans. Today, most of them are covered by their employers' plans. But the Democrats' proposals contain a "pay or play" provision that would allow companies, in effect, to drop their coverage and substitute a payroll tax.

Because their health care costs are growing so rapidly, it's likely that most companies would dump their plans. "That's what will happen," says John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis, which champions free-market solutions to health care. "Employees could then go to the exchanges and get subsidized insurance."

The problem here is that the public option would compete directly with the private plans. Both would be heavily subsidized, with Americans making up to $110,000 eligible for assistance under the Senate proposal. It's likely that the Medicare-like option will drive out private insurers, since the government plan has several advantages. The plans impose public-utility-like restrictions on the insurers, capping their profits and transferring premiums from the insurers with the younger, healthier patients to those who serve an older, sicker population. Those restrictions will hardly make them nimble competitors. At the same time, the imposition of costly benefits packages and community rating will raise their costs.

That the government enjoys an edge in purchasing doesn't mean that the overall costs will fall. It's precisely the opposite. The public plan will be so heavily subsidized that Americans will tend to over-consume expensive medical services just the way they do now under regular Medicare. Only this time, the number of patients will be almost three times larger.

The demand for everything from knee surgery to mental health counseling will soar. But the government will keep a lid on prices, so Americans, for the first time, will be faced with rationing. The hospitals and physicians simply won't be able to satisfy the unhinged demand for the services that look like a bargain.

The lines will grow. And so will the spending, and the taxes. And that's what Obama isn't telling you.


4 reasons why Obama's health plan is no bargain
Analysis: While a goal of reform is to cut costs, the emerging package may do just the opposite.

444 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:18:14am

re: #441 Rustler

I've not heard anyone come out against him from the dems side... I don't doubt you, do you have any news stories? I'd like to see those.

I certainly hope I am wrong, but I just have this bad feeling. Kind of like when the Millennium Falcon was approaching that small moon near Alderaan.

445 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:22:33am

re: #440 rightside

He may not, however, as I have posted before, I believe he realizes this is his only chance to get it through. With majorities in both house and senate, he has a small window of opportunity in which to do so. He won't let this chance slip by, IMO.

Oh he'll try, but I hope he fails

446 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:23:44am

re: #444 rightside
Actually looks like only Senator Landrieu of La. is opposing it and she flipped sorry saw what looked like more stories but shes only name I actually saw in any of em. Was wishful thinking :(.

447 Beach Lover  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:23:56am

good morning, Lizards.
Is it too soon to think of the great one as a lame duck, yet?
I mean....is there any hope?
we've seen the change

448 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:24:16am

re: #445 Nevergiveup

As do I.

449 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:26:17am

re: #444 rightside
Maybe Ben Nelson as well. Since that article wants health care company to hjose him like Sen landieu and the republicans.

450 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:26:54am

re: #447 Beach Lover
That's an insult to lame ducks everywhere.

451 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:27:21am

re: #446 Rustler

That's cool, I hadn't heard of any, and was curious if there were any. There may be some quiet misgivings, but like most pols, they see the ones' popularity numbers and don't dare criticize him. They'll ride those coattails to reelection.

452 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:28:06am
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Tuesday proposed budget rules that would allow Congress to borrow tens of billions of dollars and put the nation deeper in debt to jump-start the administration's emerging health care overhaul. ...


Obama: It's OK to borrow to pay for health care

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:29:44am

re: #436 Rustler

I give that little speech twice a day.

454 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:31:08am

re: #451 rightside
Hers is something from Senator Nelson on it looks like he's pushing for some reforms but more personal responsibility, employer based coverages, and private market solutions.

455 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:32:03am

re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Haha damn contractors.

456 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:32:06am

re: #436 Rustler
Or....
I want less to do....
More time to do it ....
More money for not getting it done.....
Like that?

457 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:33:22am

re: #454 Rustler

I'm all for the private market solutions; like Reagan said, "government is not part of the problem, it IS the problem."

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:35:23am

re: #455 Rustler

Ever notice the word "con" is in contractors?

459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:36:37am

re: #455 Rustler

I describe it to customers as a three legged stool. Without one of the legs, can't sit on it.

460 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:38:38am

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever notice the word "men" in womens' health problems?

Menopause
Menstruation
Mental illness

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:38:53am

My Achilles tendon hurts. OW!

"Why meeeeeee!"
-Nancy Kerrigan

462 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:39:23am

I'm glad we're discussing health care because I have a killer migraine, and extremely painful neck, and last friday my doctor's request for me to have an MRI was DENIED by the NJ state medical regulators, or whoever they are.

Having billed insurance for several doctors offices, one of which took Medicaid, I know that Medicaid not only rations on the patient end but, floats payments on the doctor's end. I would send in the Medicaid forms, and they would be returned over and over with a vague error statement -as if i had done something wrong on my end. So i would call medicaid, and was informed that I had done everything right, and to re-submit. It was confusing until I read an expose in the newspaper that said the state was returning the forms just so they wouldn't have to pay out immediately. I processed some forms 4 times -and there were no problems. It took 6-10 months to get payment, and then it was like $12 reimbursement on a $35 office visit. Finally the doctor said it wasn't worth the postage or the manpower.

Interestingly, i read recently that places in Sweden will not accept the insurance of Canadians from certain provinces because they take forever to payout. No surprise.

463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:40:09am

re: #460 rightside

Notice "gag" in engage?
Notice "mar" in Marriage?
Notice you can't spell marriage without "rage"?

464 badger1970  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:40:16am

re: #457 rightside

Scary words. "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."- Reagan

465 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:40:24am

re: #457 rightside
Yeah I'm all for letting the market solve it. I also like his emphasis on health weducation to help reduce costs and some of the other things in that little report his office released on healthcare reform. Allthough just did a quick once over as shift almost over and lobby busy so I'll give it a more in depth look later this morning when I get home.

466 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:40:37am

re: #462 DistantThunder

Welcome to the brave new world?

467 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:40:49am
True to the advice of his chief of staff to never let a good crisis go to waste, President Barack Obama is using the current economic crisis to sell a top item on the liberal wish-list: universal health care. "You can't fix the economy," he has repeatedly said, "without fixing health care."

But the president needs to take a chill pill before committing America to a huge new entitlement: One is hard pressed to find any evidence from abroad showing that universal coverage has grown the major industrialized economies more than ours in the past--or shielded them more than us from the global slump now.

At the president's behest, Democrats are exploring ways to ramrod a health care reform bill through Congress this fall by using procedural shenanigans to avoid a Republican filibuster. In his budget, Obama has already proposed an additional $634 billion--nearly three-quarters of a trillion dollars--in health care spending over the next few years. If he gets his way, this money will be the first installment toward a government insurance plan that will compete with private plans to allegedly put affordable coverage within everyone's grasp.

But whatever else universal coverage might bring, there is no evidence that it will bring economic nirvana. If anything, contrary to what the president suggests, the correlation runs the other way for countries with universal coverage such as Canada, England, France, Germany and Japan. On nearly every economic front, their performance has been worse than America's--even, surprisingly, in controlling health care costs. ...

...The upshot is that whereas America's 2007 taxation rate was 28.3% of GDP, Canada's was 33.3%; Germany's 36.2%; England's 36.6% and France's 43.6%. Japan's taxation level of about 28% is at par with the United States'--but only at the price of a government debt that totaled a jaw-dropping 170% of GDP last year, nearly three times that of America's. Such taxation rates have left these countries limited room to respond to crises, which is why European countries roundly dismissed Obama's calls to increase stimulus spending right now.

The trillions of dollars that this administration is spending to stimulate the economy might be a complete waste of money. But such wastage is a luxury that America can afford because of its relatively lower tax-and-spend burden.

The one remaining economic argument for universal health insurance in the United States is that it will help rein in medical costs. The rap against America is that it spends over 15% of its GDP on health care--more than any other industrialized country--and yet leaves upwards of 45 million people uninsured. If it had universal coverage, the theory goes, uninsured folks would get care sooner--not wait till they have a medical emergency--saving the system a ton of money.

It is a nice theory, but there is no evidence that it is true. Although America's per capita health care spending soared in the 1980s, a 2007 study by Kaiser Family Foundation found that it slowed considerably in subsequent years. Indeed, between 1990 and 2003, the rate of growth of America's per capita spending was 3.6%, only a little bit higher than France, Germany and Japan's--but significantly lower than England's 4.2%. That's striking given that England engages in the most aggressive rationing known to the free world, routinely delaying care to patients unless they are critically ill. ...


Obama's Health Care Reform Tactics
Using economic quackery to push universal health care.

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:41:39am

re: #462 DistantThunder

The same health insurance delay tactics that NJ will sue an insurance company for?

469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:42:23am

re: #463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

...But I'm not bitter!

470 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:43:02am

re: #452 J.D.

Obama: It's OK to borrow to pay for health care


madness ... plain and simple.

471 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:43:13am

re: #469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can we get at least 3 independant taste tests verifying this outrageous claim?

472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:44:02am

If I had faith in our government to run something, I'd be all for nationalizing health care.

Now, that's a big freakin' "If".

473 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:44:04am

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The same health insurance delay tactics that NJ will sue an insurance company for?

Yup

474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:44:50am

re: #473 Nevergiveup

Whaddup DDS?

475 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:45:07am

re: #464 badger1970

With the sole exception of the military (and that's not 100% either) the government mostly or completely f*cks up everything it touches.

Yesterday, the head of Govt Motors said he knows nothing about cars. I know nothing about economics, does that qualify me to be the secretary of the treasury?

/oh, wait.

476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:45:41am

re: #471 Rustler

I can list a bunch more than three!

*Bad, Fatty! Bad!*

477 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:46:01am

re: #474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whaddup DDS?

Well DMD.

478 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:46:36am

re: #475 rightside

With the sole exception of the military (and that's not 100% either) the government mostly or completely f*cks up everything it touches.

Yesterday, the head of Govt Motors said he knows nothing about cars. I know nothing about economics, does that qualify me to be the secretary of the treasury?

/oh, wait.

Yeah I saw that. Awe inspiring ain't it?

479 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:46:43am

Dick Morris on the political ramifications of Obama's deficit ...

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

If I were a leftist, I'd cheer for the destruction of the economy as long as it hurt a president I didn't like. But I can't play that game. I just want Obama to do the right thing. But increasingly he appears to be doing just the opposite and nobody in DC has the cojones to stand up and say "THE EMPTY SUIT HAS NO CLOTHES." That's what really worries me.

480 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:48:15am

Now instead of suing the government will "acquire" said company and let it continue it's practices for the state.

re: #473 Nevergiveup

481 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:48:29am

re: #477 Nevergiveup

Difference? (really, I dunno).

D.M.D.
Doctor of Dental Medicine.

D.D.S.
1. Doctor of Dental Science.
2. Doctor of Dental Surgery.

482 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:48:58am

re: #479 _RememberTonyC

That's what happens when you elect a scarecrow without a brain. Someone tells him he had one all along so now he tries to use it.

483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:51:03am

re: #477 Nevergiveup

Question: What is the Difference Between a DDS and a DMD?
Answer: Dentists in the United States either have the initials DMD or DDS after their name. A lot of people may wonder what the difference is between the two. But the truth is that the only difference is in the name: The dental degree and the education are the same. DMD stands for Doctor of Dental Medicine and DDS stands for Doctor of Dental Surgery. Some dental schools award the DMD degree while others award the DDS degree.


This correct?

484 Rustler  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:51:16am

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did I mention you missed Cake earlier?

485 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:51:25am

re: #481 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Difference? (really, I dunno).

D.M.D.
Doctor of Dental Medicine.

D.D.S.
1. Doctor of Dental Science.
2. Doctor of Dental Surgery.

DMD--Didn't Make Docotor
DDS--Didn't Do shit

486 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:51:31am

re: #482 Rustler

That's what happens when you elect a scarecrow without a brain. Someone tells him he had one all along so now he tries to use it.


Obama HAS a brain. The problem is that its programming is all messed up. The people who voted for him OTOH? They're the ones lacking brains.

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:52:01am

re: #482 Rustler

That's what happens when you elect a finely tailored and handsome scarecrow without a brain. Someone tells him he had one all along so now he tries to use it.

Artistic license.

488 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:52:05am

re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This correct?

Yes but see my 485

489 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:52:35am

re: #485 Nevergiveup

DMD--Didn't Make Docotor
DDS--Didn't Do shit


That's a "gas."

490 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:53:07am

re: #489 _RememberTonyC

Biting commentary.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:53:19am

re: #484 Rustler

gulp. drool. stare. tear up. gulp again. drool more. stare more. tear up.

Really. That is beautiful.

492 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:53:21am

re: #470 _RememberTonyC

madness ... plain and simple.

Brings to mind...

Wimpy: [A] genuine hamburger for the gentleman. I'm buying.

Customer: Gee, thanks.

Rough House: Who's paying?

Wimpy: I'm buying, he's paying.

493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:54:01am

re: #485 Nevergiveup

HAHAHAHA!

494 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:54:07am

re: #490 rightside

Biting commentary.


you just crowned me

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:55:09am

re: #485 Nevergiveup

DMD/DDS!

496 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:55:35am

re: #475 rightside

Of course you know what FIAT stands for:

Fix
It
Again,
Tony

497 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:55:38am

re: #495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DMD/DDS!


Obama: POS?

498 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:55:52am

re: #398 Sharmuta

The UN is nothing but an unconstrained money pit.

Heh.

499 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:57:32am

re: #403 Rustler

Hell no Keep out of my state I like my Open spaces.

I didn't know that you were also a New Mexican. Along with AlbuSteve, we're forming a cabal.

500 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:58:27am

Minnesota is on crack

501 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:58:49am

An hour into it, and the HVAC folks aren't here yet.

I'm a reasonable guy, no really, I am. I just wish they'd call if they aren't going to be on time.

BTW. My GP no longer accepts Medicare or Medicade patients. Says the paperwork isn't worth the payments.

I'm sure this is an isolated incident.

I'm going to sit on the front porch, look heated, and wait.

This whole 'chin raised in general disdain' thing isn't working out for me. I guess I haven't the sufficient world-view to pull it off.

502 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:59:18am

re: #494 _RememberTonyC

below my veneer, I'm just pulp.

503 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:01:57am

A lefty who hates Jews so much, she's abandoning her lefty leader.
har.

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:04:55am

re: #501 razorbacker

Don't do it backer! Don't sit on the porch and wait. Act like it was no big deal. Wait until they are finished. Then you can let them have it!

Remember the story of the baggage handler...

Passenger is screaming at him, the handler takes it very calmly. Later someone says, "How'd you handle that so cooly". Baggage handler says, "Not a problem. He's going to Chicago; his bags are going to Peru."

505 right_wing2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:05:08am

It's funny how the Chosen One is now talking about taxing health care benefits when he slammed McCain for even hinting at the same thing during the campaign. Not surprising, since it's a way for the left to take more of our money, but funny.

506 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:05:43am
President Obama admitted he wants the government to decide what health care Americans receive. "There's always going to be an asymmetry of information between patient and provider," he said. "And part of what I think government can do effectively is to be an honest broker in assessing and evaluating treatment options."

Thanks, but no thanks, Mr. President. Our health is not a commodity to be brokered. Even if not all doctors boast perfect bedside manners, Americans still trust their judgment, their medical training and their ability to interact directly with individual patients in clinical settings far more than they trust government statisticians matching approved treatments to reported illnesses based on lifeless charts.

In an interview published by the New York Times on Tuesday, Mr. Obama continued by saying the need for honest brokers "certainly [is] true when it comes to Medicare and Medicaid, where the taxpayers are footing the bill and we have an obligation to get those costs under control." Some would say that is exactly the problem with government-run health care: Considerations of cost come before care, and sometimes rules before reason.

It's a scary picture the president paints. He stated that "the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here." For them, he said, "I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels."

The time to really worry about your health is when a government bureaucrat, not your personal doctor, tells you what treatment you can have. Yet that's exactly the scenario endorsed by Mr. Obama. This position clearly leads to health care rationing. Nobody in the government or in any "political channels" should tell individuals how to make decisions about "the end of their lives." The only conversations happening should be personal, not democratic. It's not up to government to pull the plug.


At least, not yet.
EDITORIAL: Obama's health care rationing
Bureaucrats will decide when to pull the plug

507 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:06:24am

re: #506 J.D.

My family already knows to yank that plug out of the wall like they are trying to start a lawnmower!

508 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:06:40am

re: #503 FrogMarch

Roseanne Barr supported Cynthia McKinney's campaign for President in 2008. The fact she is criticizing Obama is no surprise.

509 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:08:09am

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

gulp. drool. stare. tear up. gulp again. drool more. stare more. tear up.

Really. That is beautiful.

It's a bit early to start a boob thread isn't it?

510 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:09:13am

Latest spin on the white-supremacist Holocaust Museum shooting.

511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:09:34am

re: #509 Kenneth

I see lots of nice boobs. But. Aaaaah. Did you see that cake?!

512 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:09:49am

Doctors’ Group Opposes Public Insurance Plan

...In an interview, Dr. Nancy H. Nielsen, president of the American Medical Association, said she was delighted by Mr. Obama’s plan to address the doctors.

“Health care reform is as important to us as it is to him,” Dr. Nielsen said. “We will be engaged in discussions in a constructive way. But we absolutely oppose government control of health care decisions or mandatory physician participation in any insurance plan.”

Mr. Obama’s trip recalls a speech to the A.M.A. in Chicago on June 13, 1993, by Hillary Rodham Clinton. She proposed “a new bargain” in which the White House would limit malpractice lawsuits and free doctors from onerous rules if doctors supported her effort to overhaul the health care system.

The association agrees with Mr. Obama on some points. It says that individuals and families who can afford coverage should be required to obtain it....

513 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:09:56am

Please compare and contrast these two stories. Guess which one uses facts and which one uses narrative?
[Link: www.sj-r.com...]
[Link: www.sj-r.com...]
The first one is by Paul Findley, former US Congressman. the second by George Sisk. Mr. Sisk is completing his third and final one-year term as chairman of the Springfield Jewish Community Relations Council. He continues to serve as a member of the JCRC board of directors and remains active in other Jewish organizations.

514 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:11:18am

re: #502 rightside

below my veneer, I'm just pulp.


ahh ... you have finally gotten to the root of the problem ...

515 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:11:24am

re: #508 Kenneth

Roseanne Barr supported Cynthia McKinney's campaign for President in 2008. The fact she is criticizing Obama is no surprise.

Well, that's true. But she must have, at some point, been on board with Obama over McCain.

516 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:11:39am

re: #507 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My family already knows to yank that plug out of the wall like they are trying to start a lawnmower!

Same here.
It only makes sense.

517 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:12:30am

re: #504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't do it backer! Don't sit on the porch and wait. Act like it was no big deal. Wait until they are finished. Then you can let them have it!

One tiny little problem.

Now my baby doesn't mind getting all hot and sweaty in the bedroom, but she does like a bit of aroebic exercise first. I promised her a cool house when she gets home today.

Just in case, I'm stockpiling ice cubes for tonight.

The things we do to keep the loving half of the equation happy.

518 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:12:41am

re: #508 Kenneth

Roseanne Barr supported Cynthia McKinney's campaign for President in 2008. The fact she is criticizing Obama is no surprise.

Hmmm..., not really such great news for the GOP, since Obama is probably much better off without Ms. Barrf's support.
Good Morning LGF.

519 right_wing2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:13:25am

My parent's biggest worry about government run health care is that, like in Europe, any serious conditions would be excluded for them because it's just 'not worth it' to provide certain care for them. For example, my mom just recently had cataract surgery, & she's able to drive without glasses for the first time in my life. But because of her age, government care probably wouldn't spend the money.

520 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:13:27am

re: #503 FrogMarch

A lefty who hates Jews so much, she's abandoning her lefty leader.
har.


here's the really fucked up part, roseanne IS Jewish. at least she was born that way.

521 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:15:26am

If Obama has lost Ted Rall, and now Ms. Barr, does that mean that he's losing the whole anti-American bloc?

That could be a significant amount of support, right there.

522 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:16:45am

re: #521 razorbacker

If Obama has lost Ted Rall, and now Ms. Barr, does that mean that he's losing the whole anti-American bloc?

That could be a significant amount of support, right there.

He's picking up Muslim support left and right?

523 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:17:04am

Top Ten Possible Letterman Reactions to Fallout Over Willow Palin Rape ‘Joke’
by John Nolte

10. Listen, I didn’t know Willow Palin was 14. She was born in 1995. I thought she was still 13.

9. Why’s everyone so mad? I wasn’t making fun of Barack…?

8. I understand some offense was taken over my remarks last night. If that’s the case, I’d like to offer an apology to A-Rod. Tonight on the show, we have…

7. Careful buddy. You’re criticizing the guy who almost got the “Tonight Show.”

6. I’m a comedian and therefore not responsible for anything I say … ask Jon Stewart.

5. See, you all spoiled it. The plan tonight was to come out and tell a similar joke about Barack Obama’s daughters. But you can forget it now…

4. Everyone just needs to relax. Page, six, paragraph seven of the “Democrat Handbook” clearly states Republican children are fair game. Or is that the “Mainstream Media Handbook” … I get them confused.

3. It’s just been brought to my attention that during the campaign Barack Obama declared Sarah Palin’s children off limits. So, I would just like to say that this will never happen again and I hope the President will accept my apology.

2. Would you believe I was hoping to be Keith Olbermann’s “Worst Person in the World”?

1. If what I said was so wrong, why haven’t feminists complained?

524 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:17:55am

re: #515 FrogMarch

I don't think Rossanne is "on board" anything. I will be kind and note that she has been struggling with serious mental illness for years. She gets media coverage because of her past TV fame, but what she says is no more significant than the muttering of any given bag-lady. Move on...

525 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:18:24am

re: #519 right_wing2

My parent's biggest worry about government run health care is that, like in Europe, any serious conditions would be excluded for them because it's just 'not worth it' to provide certain care for them. For example, my mom just recently had cataract surgery, & she's able to drive without glasses for the first time in my life. But because of her age, government care probably wouldn't spend the money.


I would take it a step further than that. When bean counters are making decisions on our health care, I see "euthnasia" becoming more and more acceptable because spending $$ on caring for certain sick patients is less cost efficient than a fatal dose of morphine. I really DO see this happening when govt needs to save money.

526 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:19:53am

The Obama administration has told the FBI “to start reading Miranda rights to suspected terrorists at U.S. military detention facilities in Afghanistan.”


The move is reportedly creating chaos in the field among the CIA, FBI and military personnel, according to Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich. The soldiers, especially, he says, are frustrated that giving high value detainees Miranda rights — the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney — is impeding their ability to pursue intelligence on the battlefield, according to a story first reported by the Weekly Standard. …

The move is reportedly creating chaos in the field among the CIA, FBI and military personnel, according to Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich. The soldiers, especially, he says, are frustrated that giving high value detainees Miranda rights — the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney — is impeding their ability to pursue intelligence on the battlefield, according to a story first reported by the Weekly Standard. …

Just when you thought Obama couldn't get any worse...

527 right_wing2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:20:04am

re: #525 _RememberTonyC

Absolutely. Either 'forced' or, at the very least, pressure to go ahead and pull the plug.

528 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:20:38am

re: #525 _RememberTonyC

I would take it a step further than that. When bean counters are making decisions on our health care, I see "euthnasia" becoming more and more acceptable because spending $$ on caring for certain sick patients is less cost efficient than a fatal dose of morphine. I really DO see this happening when govt needs to save money.

And it will be hidden from the public, just as it is now in socialist countries.

529 Irish Rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:20:52am

Good morning lizards.
A gray, foggy, wet morning here along the Lake Michigan shoreline .

The dog and I went down to the lighthouse for an early walk this morning, and one of the big lake freighters came up into the channel, the ATB Undaunted/Pere Marquette 41. I yelled up a hello to some of the crew members standing along the railing, and I could smell the smell of coffee, bacon and eggs coming from their galley. I love living in a maritime town.

I see this morning that one of my "neighbors" in this quiet little resort town is a raging white supremacist... how lovely.

GRAND HAVEN TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) -- A southwestern Michigan man is the registered owner of a Web site dedicated to the white supremacist writings of the suspect in the shooting attack Wednesday at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum....

530 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:22:07am

I am told by my doctor that the medications that he has recommended to me will, in the recommended dosages, regulate my blood pressure and control inflammation. I am also told that taking too much of the same medications will result in liver and kidney failure.

There is a lesson there somewhere. I'm just too stupid to understand it.

531 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:22:33am

re: #521 razorbacker

If Obama has lost Ted Rall, and now Ms. Barr, does that mean that he's losing the whole anti-American bloc?

That could be a significant amount of support, right there.

It's all part of his plan to co-opt the centre right.
By the time Obama is done his centre of political gravity will probably be somewhere between Ron Paul and Attila the Hun./

532 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:22:41am

Global Justice, Obama-Style:

The FBI and Justice Department plan to significantly expand their role in global counter-terrorism operations, part of a U.S. policy shift that will replace a CIA-dominated system of clandestine detentions and interrogations with one built around transparent investigations and prosecutions.

Under the "global justice" initiative, which has been in the works for several months, FBI agents will have a central role in overseas counter-terrorism cases. They will expand their questioning of suspects and evidence-gathering to try to ensure that criminal prosecutions are an option, officials familiar with the effort said.

The "global justice" initiative starts out with the premise that virtually all suspects will end up in a U.S. or foreign court of law.

What could possibly go wrong?

533 NervyNews  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:23:28am

The Rise Of Violent Anti-Semitism In The USA.

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:24:54am

re: #529 Irish Rose

Huh. Thought you were in Chicago.

535 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:25:07am

re: #519 right_wing2

My parent's biggest worry about government run health care is that, like in Europe, any serious conditions would be excluded for them because it's just 'not worth it' to provide certain care for them. For example, my mom just recently had cataract surgery, & she's able to drive without glasses for the first time in my life. But because of her age, government care probably wouldn't spend the money.


A sadly legitimate worry. The sheeple will wake up to this a little too late.

536 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:25:18am

From the American Medical Association's letter to Obama...

..."Defensive medicine continues to be a major factor in rising costs. We need medical liability reforms that help physicians provide the best care without needing to order additional services to guard against possible lawsuits. ...

Hmmmmm... I don't believe I noticed "medical liability reforms" in the Obama plan. Imagine that.
AMA Outlines Initiatives to White House to Help Slow Increases in Health Spending
Contributes to effort to bend spending curve to help move health reform forward
For immediate release
June 1, 2009
Statement Attributable to:
Nancy H. Nielsen, MD
President, American Medical Association

537 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:25:34am

re: #523 FrogMarch

Morning all.
I finally heard the Letterman Top 10 list. What a scumbag. The Left has never had any class and they never will. They bathe in their own bile.

538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:26:01am

re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I mean Muskegon. Sorry. Avatar blindness for a minute there.

539 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:26:17am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

We've a loverly day in the valley and the sun's happily beaming down after many rainy days to warm us Canucksicles. :)

It's been a very hectic and busy week with much too much stress and today I have a better handle on things. It's amazing what a difference a good night's sleep brings to your perspective when one can do so finally worry-free.

That's as good as it gets.
.
.
.
'Cept when there's chocolate ... :D

540 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:27:24am

One Man's Comment on David Letterman:

I did not get a chance to see Letterman's nasty comment about Sarah Palin's 14 year old daughter until last night. His sick "joke" is not worth repeating, but I found the immediate reaction by the audience and the lack of reaction by the MSM very informative. I understand that as a publid figure Mrs. Palin has to take what comes at her, but the children have no choice and should be off limits.

Here you have a 62 year old man using his position and broadcast time to go after a 14 year old girl who has no chance to respond or protect herself.

There was some murmuring by the audience but mostly nervous laughter. Do these people have no shame, no souls? Where is the "tolerant and compassionate" left? There should have been loud booing. You know that if someone said something similar about a Democrat's family there would be a huge outcry. Biden has a family member with some real problems but this has been off limits by everyone....and should be.

And all day yesterday, I heard noting from the "tolerant and compassionate" left in the MSM, other than excuses for Letterman that he is a comic. The most anybody on the left said was Juan Williams who said it was "rank" and Colmes said he would not have made the comments himself, but then he excused Lettemena for being in the business of making jokes.

Anybody out there remember the last time Letterman went after the family of a Democrat? Me neither.

Where is the outrage from the women's groups? A 62 year old man in a position of power verbally attacking a 14 year old girl and they say nothing....Is there not a single Democrat out there with the quality of character and courage to step up to a microphone and call Letterman out on this?

Well, for what it's worth, as a father of 3 girls myself who knows what it is like to be attacked in the media, I'll call out Letterman, for whatever it's worth.

Mr. Letterman, you are a coward, you are scum, you are a verbal abuser of little girls. You think that it is funny to verbally assault people who have no way to respond. You are a sick man who uses his position to hurt people for no other reason than you can do it and to make yourself feel good to your left wing sycophants at parties.

My solace is that you are appealing only to the wacked out sewer rats on the left, like what you see at HuffPo every day of the week. Thus, I expect to see your audience shrinking and ultimately you will fade away.

541 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:27:34am

Mornin' all. From a warm and getting warmer Eastern Wa.
How did the book thread go? Lots of interesting reading lists I'll bet.

542 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:27:55am

Even liberals are starting to question Obama's massive exploding deficits:


“Obama and the Democratically-controlled Congress are creating debts and deficits larger than any other US government in the history of the Republic, under any measure, with the singular exceptions of the governments that got involved in a bet-the-country war. This chart, which reflects yearly deficits under Presidents (W.) Bush and Obama, cannot be repeated enough.”

The Economist: “Bad as the deficit was under Mr Bush, it will quadruple this year, from $459 billion in 2008 to $1.845 trillion, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO). Mr Obama vows to slash it in half within four years, but that will still leave it bigger than the deficits for which he once lashed Mr Bush. His aides hint that he will get tough when the time is right, but he is reluctant to break campaign promises of tax cuts for all but the rich just yet.* The CBO reckons the deficit will still be running at more than $1 trillion a year in 2019.”

*Gosh no Obama, don't break that absurd campaign promise. Better to bankrupt the country.

543 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:28:35am

re: #533 GNIDAthe#seCond

The Rise Of Violent Anti-Semitism In The USA.

I clicked on your football. Your not in the LGF repository. What does that mean?

544 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:30:30am

re: #543 KenJen
I have never seen that!

545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:30:51am

re: #540 3 wood

Did you hear where Palin called him out?

Basically called him a perverted, twisted old man.

Was beautiful.

546 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:31:36am

re: #540 3 wood


3wood ... great job. I have never liked Letterman. I always watched Leno. Letterman is a bitter, narcissistic man who is clearly on the down side of his career. When he was snubbed by NBC to replace Johnny Carson and defected to CBS, he turned from benign to mean almost overnight.

547 ConservatismNow!  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:31:36am

re: #530 razorbacker

I am told by my doctor that the medications that he has recommended to me will, in the recommended dosages, regulate my blood pressure and control inflammation. I am also told that taking too much of the same medications will result in liver and kidney failure.

There is a lesson there somewhere. I'm just too stupid to understand it.

Everything in moderation, including moderation.

548 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:31:48am

re: #532 Kenneth

Global Justice, Obama-Style:

The FBI and Justice Department plan to significantly expand their role in global counter-terrorism operations, part of a U.S. policy shift that will replace a CIA-dominated system of clandestine detentions and interrogations with one built around transparent investigations and prosecutions.
Under the "global justice" initiative, which has been in the works for several months, FBI agents will have a central role in overseas counter-terrorism cases. They will expand their questioning of suspects and evidence-gathering to try to ensure that criminal prosecutions are an option, officials familiar with the effort said.

The "global justice" initiative starts out with the premise that virtually all suspects will end up in a U.S. or foreign court of law.


What could possibly go wrong?

Let's be thankful that Canada probably won't be taking any of the Gitmo detainees and trying them in Canadian courts, especially that little shit Khadr. If that were to happen, most would not only be acquitted but they would also be awarded multi-million dollar damage awards for their mistreatment.

549 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:31:50am

re: #544 pingjockey

I have never seen that!

Should we report it?

550 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:32:08am

re: #540 3 wood

Answer: On the left, blind-faith political ideology trumps everything.
They operate without the confines of shame. Feminists are leftists first.

551 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:32:18am

re: #536 J.D.

CYA medicine will continue to be a big problem, but what will happen when it runs headlong into Obama care? Do two opposites then destroy each other?

552 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:32:52am

re: #537 lincolntf

'g morning!

553 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:33:45am

re: #551 VioletTiger

Silver lining? Medical Tort reform will not be far behind nationalization.

554 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:33:59am

re: #543 KenJen

I clicked on your football. Your not in the LGF repository. What does that mean?


are you in the CIA or something?

/

555 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:35:23am

WND has jumped on the mention of the "birth certificate" (or supposed lack thereof) as mentioned by Rush Limbaugh yesterday.

Their headline:
Rush Limbaugh pummels Obama on birth certificate

Having heard the quote... Limbaugh was obviously mocking the whole certificate nonsense... but the irony was lost on the true believers.

Oh, and the WND headline in big letters is that Shep Smith criticizing the 'nirthers (see my spin-off link.) WND's defense? They attack Smith for a supposed 2000 traffic accident.

556 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:35:43am

re: #549 KenJen
Damned if I know. How can you post and not be in the repository?

557 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:36:00am

re: #545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you hear where Palin called him out?

Basically called him a perverted, twisted old man.

Was beautiful.

Yes, and I also heard the MSM dismiss her as a public official who should accept the attacks.

Someone on the left who has some character (there are some, I hear) needs to step forward and call this guy out. The fact that that has not yet happened speaks very loudly to me.

558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:36:15am

re: #556 pingjockey

The book repository?

559 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:36:51am

re: #546 _RememberTonyC

Thank you, Kind of you to say.

I could not look in the mirror much longer without saying something about this.

560 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:37:10am

re: #556 pingjockey

Damned if I know. How can you post and not be in the repository?

Not a clue. Never seen the nic before either.

561 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:37:22am

re: #540 3 wood

Very well said. Letterman is worse than an ass, but nobody will call him on it. Look what happened to Imus for his asinine remarks. A double standard, indeed.

562 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:37:23am

re: #558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The book repository?

Quick, call the DHS.

563 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:37:38am

President Opposite

“He’s like a boy with his hand in the cookie jar saying, ‘I don’t want a cookie.’ He says he doesn’t want to run banks, but he keeps them under his control. He says he doesn’t want to run the auto industry, but he turned down a proposal that could have saved them. Obama doesn’t want to control your health care except he does. He was like this even as a candidate, when he said he would use public funds for his election campaign, then amassed more donations than anyone in history. We’re going to spend our way into prosperity, too. No earmarks in the porkulus bill? it’s loaded up! Opposite.

Obama said in February:

“Now, do [enemy combatants and terrorists] deserve miranda rights? Do they deserve to be treated like a shoplifter down the block? Of course not.”

And now in June we learn this:

…the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee.

President Opposite

564 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:37:53am

re: #556 pingjockey

Damned if I know. How can you post and not be in the repository?

I wonder if his IP is from china or russia? Paging Stinky ...

565 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:37:59am

re: #558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
As long as it isn't the 'sock puppet' repository!

566 right_wing2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:38:03am

re: #536 J.D.


The Obamessiah's got to keep the lawyers happy.

567 Irish Rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:38:10am

Here's the entire article... the guy comes from a "very Christian family", according to a neighbor.

Grand Haven, btw, is a predominantly Christian community and 96 percent whitebread.

GH Township man runs Web site on museum suspect's book

Thu, Jun 11, 2009
BY JAMES PRICHARD
Associated Press Writer

GRAND HAVEN TOWNSHIP — An Ottawa County man is the registered owner of a Web site dedicated to the white supremacist writings of the suspect in the shooting attack Wednesday at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.

James W. von Brunn, 88, was hospitalized in critical condition after the attack in Washington that left a 39-year-old security guard dead.

The Web site promotes von Brunn's book "Kill the Best Gentiles!" It's registered to Steve Reimink, 45, of Grand Haven Township. The Web site was operating earlier in the day but was taken down Wednesday evening.

An Associated Press reporter identified himself to a man and woman outside Reimink's address on Lake Michigan Drive. The man said: "I don't know what you're talking about. All I know is, you're trespassing."

Phone and e-mail messages seeking comment also were left for Reimink.

A neighbor, Jo TenBrink, defended Reimink on Wednesday night.

"He is a great neighbor and a nice man," TenBrink said. "He comes from a very Christian family and is very helpful. We wouldn't be talking with him if we believed he had any part of this. I don't believe he has anything to do with" von Brunn.

Because the feds are clueless, and there is no such thing as right-wing extremism.

/do I?

568 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:38:19am

How ObamaCare Will Affect Your Doctor
Expect longer waits for appointments as physicians get pinched on reimbursements.

At the heart of President Barack Obama's health-care plan is an insurance program funded by taxpayers, administered by Washington, and open to everyone. Modeled on Medicare, this "public option" will soon become the single dominant health plan, which is its political purpose. It will restructure the practice of medicine in the process.

Republicans and Democrats agree that the government's Medicare scheme for compensating doctors is deeply flawed. Yet Mr. Obama's plan for a centrally managed government insurance program exacerbates Medicare's problems by redistributing even more income away from lower-paid primary care providers and misaligning doctors' financial incentives.

Like Medicare, the "public option" will control spending by using its purchasing clout and political leverage to dictate low prices to doctors. (Medicare pays doctors 20% to 30% less than private plans, on average.) While the public option is meant for the uninsured, employers will realize it's easier -- and cheaper -- to move employees into the government plan than continue workplace coverage. ...


I'll put my employee who voted for Obama on the public option on the first day.

...The Lewin Group, a health-care policy research and consulting firm, estimates that enrollment in the public option will reach 131 million people if it's open to everyone and pays Medicare rates, as many expect. Fully two-thirds of the privately insured will move out of or lose coverage. As patients shift to a lower-paying government plan, doctors' incomes will decline by as much as 15% to 20% depending on their specialty.

Physician income declines will be accompanied by regulations that will make practicing medicine more costly, creating a double whammy of lower revenue and higher practice costs, especially for primary-care doctors who generally operate busy practices and work on thinner margins. For example, doctors will face expenses to deploy pricey electronic prescribing tools and computerized health records that are mandated under the Obama plan. For most doctors these capital costs won't be fully covered by the subsidies provided by the plan.

Government insurance programs also shift compliance costs directly onto doctors by encumbering them with rules requiring expensive staffing and documentation. It's a way for government health programs like Medicare to control charges. The rules are backed up with threats of arbitrary probes targeting documentation infractions. There will also be disproportionate fines, giving doctors and hospitals reason to overspend on their back offices to avoid reprisals.

The 60% of doctors who are self-employed will be hardest hit. That includes specialists, such as dermatologists and surgeons, who see a lot of private patients. But it also includes tens of thousands of primary-care doctors, the very physicians the Obama administration says need the most help.

Doctors will consolidate into larger practices to spread overhead costs, and they'll cram more patients into tight schedules to make up in volume what's lost in margin. Visits will be shortened and new appointments harder to secure. It already takes on average 18 days to get an initial appointment with an internist, according to the American Medical Association, and as many as 30 days for specialists like obstetricians and neurologists.

Right or wrong, more doctors will close their practices to new patients, especially patients carrying lower paying insurance such as Medicaid. Some doctors will opt out of the system entirely, going "cash only." If too many doctors take this route the government could step in -- as in Canada, for example -- to effectively outlaw private-only medical practice....


...and there's more... and it's all bad.

569 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:39:17am

re: #548 Spare O'Lake

I'm betting Khadr will come back to Canada. Obama's going to force us to take him back whether we want him or not. Your taxes are already paying support to his creepy family, what's one more?

570 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:39:44am

re: #540 3 wood

Good Morning all. 3 you are spot on about Letterman & his attack on the Palin dughter, it was beneath contempt. I had heard about it, but when I actually heard it last night I couldn't believe that the program producers did not try to pull him back.
Letterman now sees himself as some kind of Leftist hero. When he is engaged in debate by a guest it is appaling how uninformed he is.
His latest comments just add to his stiojng of cruel remarks & to boot the guy is not funny.

571 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:39:54am

Good Morning Lizards! It is drizzzly and overcast in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this morning.

I went to bed just as the book thread started last night. :(

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

572 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:40:10am

re: #552 FrogMarch

Morning. Letterman really pisses me off. I wish there was a way for a group of NYC conservatives (yeah, right) to get into the studio audience and just boo his lame ass jokes and call him out for his sick attack on a little girl. Just heckle the shit out of the old perv.
I know it won't happen, but it's be nice.

573 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:40:23am

1-20-13

574 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:40:49am

re: #570 opnion

Letterman's a dick.

Good Morning, {all y'all}!

575 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:40:53am

re: #551 VioletTiger

CYA medicine will continue to be a big problem, but what will happen when it runs headlong into Obama care? Do two opposites then destroy each other?

I guess you've come across #568 by now...

Someone page Obamacare for me.
I feel sick.

576 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:41:33am

re: #573 _RememberTonyC
Lottery numbers?

577 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:41:54am

re: #555 freetoken

He was clearly making jokes about the differences and similarities between bo and God, and they were humorous too!

578 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:42:54am

re: #576 pingjockey

Lottery numbers?

The end of an error.

579 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:43:06am

re: #566 right_wing2

The Obamessiah's got to keep the lawyers happy.

And he will.

580 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:43:39am

re: #572 lincolntf

Morning. Letterman really pisses me off. I wish there was a way for a group of NYC conservatives (yeah, right) to get into the studio audience and just boo his lame ass jokes and call him out for his sick attack on a little girl. Just heckle the shit out of the old perv.
I know it won't happen, but it's be nice.


Oh but it can happen! Pick a date down the road and get a group of people together who will all request tickets on that date. Stagger the requests so the show producers don't sniff out an ambush as 50 people request seats for a future show at the same time. This would be much easier to do than you think. Just coordinate the day you want to attend. Getting tickets is easy if you request them far enough in advance.

581 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:43:47am

re: #532 Kenneth

I guess this is where they have started reading 'man-caused disaster causers' their rights. Of all of the stuipid ass things Obama has done, this has to make the Top 5. Close Gitmo and send the 'man-caused disaster causers' to other tropical islands at our expense is right up there as well.

582 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:44:09am

re: #578 VegasRick

The end of an error.


bingo

583 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:44:17am

re: #576 pingjockey

Hey ping. Check out #533's avatar now.

584 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:44:18am

re: #578 VegasRick
Okay. What error? Never mind, the numbers just clicked. D'oh!

585 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:45:18am

re: #582 _RememberTonyC

bingo

Do I get a free buffet or something?
/

586 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:45:30am

re: #561 VioletTiger

Very well said. Letterman is worse than an ass, but nobody will call him on it. Look what happened to Imus for his asinine remarks. A double standard, indeed.

Thank you for the kind comments.

Apparently Letterman did not hear his Lord and Savior Obama say that it was time to put the old partisanship away and usher in a new era of mutual respect and cooperation.

I saw last night where Coulter said that maybe we need to go after Obama's kids now. I strongly disagree with that and will be just as strong in my condemnation if that happens too.

The families are out of bounds.

587 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:45:33am

re: #561 VioletTiger

Very well said. Letterman is worse than an ass, but nobody will call him on it. Look what happened to Imus for his asinine remarks. A double standard, indeed.


Had Imus made the same remarks, they would have been calling for his head on a platter. With his ranch for cancer kids Imus is 10 times the person Letterman could ever hope to be.

588 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:45:39am

Let's see. Doctor's will be paid less under Obamacare and there isn't a chance in hell of tort reform. Yeah, this is gonna work out real well.

589 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:45:43am

Respectfully Raped by the Taliban

Dutch leftist journalist Joanie de Rijke went to Afghanistan last November where she was kidnapped and repeatedly raped by the Taliban.

She said that they did horrible things to her but they were respectful. "They are not monsters," de Rijke said. Since her original reported intent was to conduct a sympathetic interview of the Taliban, it appears that even a brutal sexual mauling couldn't deter her from that goal.

It says something about the bias of this journalist when she will condemn Bush as a war criminal because 3 terrorists were carefully waterboarded, but she will excuse other terrorists when they gang rape her. Just wow.

590 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:46:13am

re: #568 J.D.

I'll put my employee who voted for Obama on the public option on the first day.


...even if it's more expensive.

If it doesn't kill him, it will make him stronger!

591 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:46:45am

re: #585 VegasRick

Do I get a free buffet or something?
/


how about some room temperature fruitcup?

592 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:46:45am

re: #415 Rustler

Should have seen the other day when I tryed to post something in Hiragana. A 5 line post took up a full board page so I had to go back and delete it.

What's your Japan connection? That's another cabal we are forming.

593 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:46:55am

re: #585 VegasRick

Do I get a free buffet or something?
/

Even better. You will get "free" health care.

594 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:47:08am

re: #583 KenJen
Can't see avatars. My 'puter has issues with lgf and if I enable avatars it takes an eternity to load!

595 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:47:15am

re: #583 KenJen

Hey ping. Check out #533's avatar now.

It's the same for me and I refreshed.

596 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:47:28am

re: #580 _RememberTonyC

Really? I had no idea. I don't think I'll be up there any time soon, but I hope someone who lives a little closer comes up with a plan. He really is a hateful little fuck.

597 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:47:37am

re: #586 3 wood

Thank you for the kind comments.

Apparently Letterman did not hear his Lord and Savior Obama say that it was time to put the old partisanship away and usher in a new era of mutual respect and cooperation.

I saw last night where Coulter said that maybe we need to go after Obama's kids now. I strongly disagree with that and will be just as strong in my condemnation if that happens too.

The families are out of bounds.

1000% correct, if someone were to attack the Obama children it would legitamize Lettermans behavior.

598 Irish Rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:47:52am

re: #589 Kenneth

Respectfully Raped by the Taliban

It says something about the bias of this journalist when she will condemn Bush as a war criminal because 3 terrorists were carefully waterboarded, but she will excuse other terrorists when they gang rape her. Just wow.

You have got to be kidding me.
I think I'm gonna puke.

Please email that to Charles.

599 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:47:59am

re: #572 lincolntf

Morning. Letterman really pisses me off. I wish there was a way for a group of NYC conservatives (yeah, right) to get into the studio audience and just boo his lame ass jokes and call him out for his sick attack on a little girl. Just heckle the shit out of the old perv.
I know it won't happen, but it's be nice.

Here's Letterman's reply to the flap:

“We were, as we often do, making jokes about people in the news and we made some jokes about Sarah Palin and her daughter [Bristol]... and now they’re upset with me…” Letterman says on tonight's show. "These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl.... Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No." Saying he hopes he's "cleared part of this up," Letterman extended an invitation to Palin to come on the show as a guest.

600 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:48:13am

re: #570 opnion

Letterman now sees himself as some kind of Leftist hero. When he is engaged in debate by a guest it is appaling how uninformed he is.


That's what happens when you get your news from cbs.

601 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:48:13am

re: #561 VioletTiger

Very well said. Letterman is worse than an ass, but nobody will call him on it. Look what happened to Imus for his asinine remarks. A double standard, indeed.

If Letterman took a shot it either of the Obama children, he would probably face a suspension & be on an apology tour.
He would consider it out of bounds of his son or his wife were ridiculed.
Not that it should matter, but I understand that his wife is very unattractive. How about if someone mde fun of that?

602 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:48:24am

re: #593 KenJen

Even better. You will get "free" health care.

I've been around long enough to notice that just about everything that I get for 'free' is worth exactly what I pay for it.

603 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:01am

re: #589 Kenneth

Respectfully Raped by the Taliban


It says something about the bias of this journalist when she will condemn Bush as a war criminal because 3 terrorists were carefully waterboarded, but she will excuse other terrorists when they gang rape her. Just wow.

That is unbelievable. Respectfully raped. WTF? ? ?

604 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:20am

re: #589 Kenneth

Respectfully Raped by the Taliban


It says something about the bias of this journalist when she will condemn Bush as a war criminal because 3 terrorists were carefully waterboarded, but she will excuse other terrorists when they gang rape her. Just wow.

sounds like a good interview segment for Greta Van Susteren.

605 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:22am

Spare O Lake

Let's be thankful that Canada probably won't be taking any of the Gitmo detainees and trying them in Canadian courts, especially that little shit Khadr. If that were to happen, most would not only be acquitted but they would also be awarded multi-million dollar damage awards for their mistreatment.

That's exactly what "Taliban Jack" Layton is screaming for and you should see the lunatics on Parliament Hill supporting this creep. Of course, to the LLL's, he's just a "child" and knows not what he does as he's been "abused" and recruited as a "child soldier" so therefore his fweelings have been hurt and we MUST give him and his jihadi family millions.

*rolls eyes*

His "mother" has freely stated that she hates Canada and wants Sharia law. I say kick her and her dangerous family the hell out of Canada and they can go to any sand-filled shiite hole they like. Just get the hell out.

606 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:37am

re: #597 soxfan4life
Yep, leave the kids out of it!

607 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:43am

Whoo Hoo!

Trucks in the driveway. With a huge package on them.

I'm going to strew rose petals in theiir path.

See y'all later.

608 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:50am

re: #569 Kenneth

I'm betting Khadr will come back to Canada. Obama's going to force us to take him back whether we want him or not. Your taxes are already paying support to his creepy family, what's one more?

Yeah, what the heck, you're probably right, what's one more leech on our national rump.
Let's bring the whining little terrorist murdering scum home, hire him a first rate team of legal talent at public expense, and then go through another few years of bullshit with nothing at the end but more hypocrisy and dhimmitude.
And then we can pay him 15 or 20 million bucks for his trouble.

609 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:50:34am

re: #596 lincolntf

Really? I had no idea. I don't think I'll be up there any time soon, but I hope someone who lives a little closer comes up with a plan. He really is a hateful little fuck.

Lizards of Metro NY ... get busy!

610 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:50:44am

re: #575 J.D.

I guess you've come across #568 by now...

Someone page Obamacare for me.
I feel sick.

Better get used to it..... ;)

611 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:50:58am

re: #603 redstateredneck
I bet she's a card carrying member of NOW.

612 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:51:35am

With regard to Letterman, somebody, a celebrity, needs to go on his show and call him out on camera about this.

Many years ago Carson was going after Wayne Newton and his family. Newton went on his show and called Carson out about this. Carson mumbled some pathetic excuse about his writers being responsible for the jokes, but the crap stopped.

Hey you Democratic party staffers out there (and I know you lurk). Show us that you have some character and call out Letterman in public.

If a Republican does it your PR organization called the MSM will just ignore it.

613 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:51:48am

re: #602 razorbacker

I've been around long enough to notice that just about everything that I get for 'free' is worth exactly what I pay for it.

TAANSTAFL becomes TAANSTAFHC

614 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:52:05am

Working through the thread here, so this may already be OBE. I have seen Gnidathesecond here a long time ago, but I'm getting a wierd character in this Gnida's name. Either unicode or a lookalike.

615 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:52:32am

re: #599 avanti

Here's Letterman's reply to the flap:

“We were, as we often do, making jokes about people in the news and we made some jokes about Sarah Palin and her daughter [Bristol]... and now they’re upset with me…” Letterman says on tonight's show. "These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl.... Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No." Saying he hopes he's "cleared part of this up," Letterman extended an invitation to Palin to come on the show as a guest.

People in the news? Bristol Palin? Where are his jokes about the 0's family? You really are just a lefty apologist..

616 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:52:49am

re: #572 lincolntf

That's a great idea. It's not a surprise that most of these lefty comedians attract group-think audiences. Just ask Jon Stewart and Colbert. As an example (and I've heard the clip - it's nauseating) Colbert hates Ayn Rand because Colbert is a standard collectivist moron who is in love with big daddy government and his new master god jr.. (all hail) Colbert hates capitalism, individualism, anti-collectivism, and free markets. So, capitalism, individualism, anti-collectivism, and free markets must be mocked in slippery Colbert fashion. So when Colbert mocks Ayn Rand, right on cue- his fawning audience roars with laughter even though the audience has probably never read a single page.

PS – Atlas Shrugged is not a blueprint, it’s a cautionary tale. Most morons on the left don't get this at all.
(slight change of subject – sorry)

617 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:52:57am

re: #588 redstateredneck

Let's see. Doctor's will be paid less under Obamacare and there isn't a chance in hell of tort reform. Yeah, this is gonna work out real well.

When I was a kid, Mom would take us to a pediatrician who had a nurse, a receptionist, a few exam rooms, and his office equipment consisted of a thermometer and a stethoscope.

Go into a doctor's office today and look around at the staff needed to run the place, notice the in-house lab, notice the state-of-the-art diagnostic equipment and machines, which all cost many thousands of dollars to purchase and then more money to properly maintain and/or replace when necessary - and ask yourself how a physician could charge LESS than he does for an office visit and still be in business.

618 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:53:26am

re: #589 Kenneth

Respectfully Raped by the Taliban

It says something about the bias of this journalist when she will condemn Bush as a war criminal because 3 terrorists were carefully waterboarded, but she will excuse other terrorists when they gang rape her. Just wow.

Inexplicable.

619 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:54:08am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm sure most folks are keeping tabs on the full blown wackaloon James Von Brunn and the Holocaust Museum updates. Well, seems that this guy had a conspiracy for pretty much everything and everyone.

He was anti-government, anti-Jewish, was a 9/11 troofer, was a Nirther, anti-Semite, racist, white supremacist, anti-Bush, anti-Federal Reserve, etc.

So, what does MSNBC do? They use a quote from a fellow white supremacist to claim that "shooting suspect was genius and hothead" ignoring that he was now a murder suspect for killing security guard Stephen T. Johns, and buries the fact that the quote comes from a fellow white supremacist. In fact, MSNBC doesn't even mention Johns' name at all in that story.

It's kind of hard to pigeon hole this kind of crazy, so other reports simply claim he was an elderly gunman, as though that's sufficient.

It isn't.

Classy.

620 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:54:25am
let us see Mozart playing in the parlor, and let us hear the sound of the ladies’ voices

Fine, as long as they don't come and go, talking of Michelangelo.

621 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:54:32am

re: #605 Miss Trixie

Spare O Lake


That's exactly what "Taliban Jack" Layton is screaming for and you should see the lunatics on Parliament Hill supporting this creep. Of course, to the LLL's, he's just a "child" and knows not what he does as he's been "abused" and recruited as a "child soldier" so therefore his fweelings have been hurt and we MUST give him and his jihadi family millions.

*rolls eyes*

His "mother" has freely stated that she hates Canada and wants Sharia law. I say kick her and her dangerous family the hell out of Canada and they can go to any sand-filled shiite hole they like. Just get the hell out.

And let's offer Jack (and his charming Olivia) a couple of one-way tickets too. For that I would gladly pay./

622 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:54:45am

Ah. The pound-sign converts to a percent-2-3 in order to form a valid URL. Problem is, the URL is probably then passed to an SQL query which looks for no kidding percent-2-3 and doesn't find it, because the real name contains the pound-sign.

Just the same, I don't recall any pound-sign in the original Gnida's name.

623 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:54:49am

re: #589 Kenneth

How does one rape respectfully? I wonder if she had witnessed a beheading if she would have described it as tasteful?

624 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:54:56am

re: #615 VegasRick

People in the news? Bristol Palin? Where are his jokes about the 0's family? You really are just a lefty apologist..

Didn't he also say Sarah Palin's makeup looked like a slutty flight attendant?

625 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:54:58am

re: #599 avanti

whatta guy

626 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:55:15am

re: #589 Kenneth

Just wow, indeed.
Bush = bad.
Taliban rapists = respectful.

Ideological insanity.

627 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:55:15am

re: #589 Kenneth

Respectfully Raped by the Taliban

It says something about the bias of this journalist when she will condemn Bush as a war criminal because 3 terrorists were carefully waterboarded, but she will excuse other terrorists when they gang rape her. Just wow.

I saw that the other day - I'm not sure she's biased, but rather so completely P.C. brainwashed that she is completely unable to make distinctions between what is acceptable or appropriate and what is not.

628 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:55:21am

re: #599 avanti

“We were, as we often do, making jokes about people in the news and we made some jokes about Sarah Palin and her daughter [Bristol]... and now they’re upset with me…” Letterman says on tonight's show. "These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl.... Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No." Saying he hopes he's "cleared part of this up," Letterman extended an invitation to Palin to come on the show as a guest.

Of course he did.

What you on the left are avoiding dealing with is Bristol Palin was not at the game. The 14 year old was at the game. Letterman was talking about the 14 year old.

Why don't you show some class and condemn this public verbal abuse of a young girl by a 62 year old man?

629 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:55:22am

re: #1 Fenway_Nation

Evening, lizards!

Allow me this opportunity to shamelessly plug Israeli bonds.

Decent interest rates (2.85%- better than U.S. Savings bonds at this time) and a chance to flip to the proverbial bird to the neo-nazis, International Solidarity Movements and Hezbollah types...

Just bought a few the other day.

630 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:55:46am

re: #561 VioletTiger

Very well said. Letterman is worse than an ass, but nobody will call him on it. Look what happened to Imus for his asinine remarks. A double standard, indeed.

Youtube Video
631 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:55:55am

re: #595 VegasRick

It's the same for me and I refreshed.

It was the green football eairler. Now it's a Star Wars character I think. It's bugging me but I'll let it go.

632 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:06am

I wouldn't mess with Gov. Palin....
She's got a new noise maker...Image: graf_palin-gun.jpg

I want one!

633 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:09am

re: #618 J.D.

Inexplicable.

After looking at her picture maybe "grateful" would be a better term.
/

634 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:16am

re: #589 Kenneth

Respectfully Raped by the Taliban


It says something about the bias of this journalist when she will condemn Bush as a war criminal because 3 terrorists were carefully waterboarded, but she will excuse other terrorists when they gang rape her. Just wow.

Incredible. Kind of gives a whole new meaning to "Stockholm Syndrome".

Then again, I guess the hostages in that incident in Stockholm weren't necessarily predisposed to sympathize with their captors, were they?

635 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:20am

re: #617 reine.de.tout


Don't forget the cost of malpractice insurance which is probably more than the payments on the medical equipment and payroll for staff.

636 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:20am

remember the mosque in minnesota indoctrinating and exporting somalian immigrants to the jihadis back in mogadishu? well check this out:

[Link: insidesomalia.org...]

But I'm sure keith ellison will go to bat for the minnesota mosque. And the brain dead morons in that state will continue voting for the likes of ellison and the lettermanesque al franken.

637 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:59am

re: #589 Kenneth

What the f*ck, over?

638 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:57:06am

re: #602 razorbacker

I've been around long enough to notice that just about everything that I get for 'free' is worth exactly what I pay for it.

So true!
And you don't even have to be around all that long... really.

639 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:57:13am

re: #540 3 wood

Where are all of the outraged folks who demanded and received Don Imus' head on a pike? I don't like Imus, and I don't like Letterman, but the similarities don't end there.

640 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:57:24am

re: #635 soxfan4life

Don't forget the cost of malpractice insurance which is probably more than the payments on the medical equipment and payroll for staff.

Yes, I did forget that. Doctor's offices today have equipment that you used to have to go to the hospital to see. It's amazing.

641 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:57:52am

re: #588 redstateredneck

Let's see. Doctor's will be paid less under Obamacare and there isn't a chance in hell of tort reform. Yeah, this is gonna work out real well.

I am thinking of selling everything and going on Active Duty.

642 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:58:03am
643 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:58:10am

re: #619 lawhawk

so other reports simply claim he was an elderly gunman

A DC police spokeswoman described him as a "long gunman".

They're really grooving on this "long gun" thing. It's kind of bizarre.

644 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:58:32am

re: #561 VioletTiger

Very well said. Letterman is worse than an ass, but nobody will call him on it. Look what happened to Imus for his asinine remarks. A double standard, indeed.

Word.

645 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:58:45am

re: #617 reine.de.tout

When I was a kid, Mom would take us to a pediatrician who had a nurse, a receptionist, a few exam rooms, and his office equipment consisted of a thermometer and a stethoscope.

Go into a doctor's office today and look around at the staff needed to run the place, notice the in-house lab, notice the state-of-the-art diagnostic equipment and machines, which all cost many thousands of dollars to purchase and then more money to properly maintain and/or replace when necessary - and ask yourself how a physician could charge LESS than he does for an office visit and still be in business.

Already, a lot of the doctors around here are not in private practice; their clinics are owned by the community hospital. In smaller rural areas, this is even more so. With the new "improved" government health care, these clinics will be even fewer and further between.

646 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:58:47am

re: #634 Occasional Reader
Respectfully raped? Tastefully beheaded? Graciously stoned to death?
WTF is wrong with the left? (Rhetorical)

647 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:58:53am

re: #617 reine.de.tout

When I was a kid, Mom would take us to a pediatrician who had a nurse, a receptionist, a few exam rooms, and his office equipment consisted of a thermometer and a stethoscope.

Go into a doctor's office today and look around at the staff needed to run the place, notice the in-house lab, notice the state-of-the-art diagnostic equipment and machines, which all cost many thousands of dollars to purchase and then more money to properly maintain and/or replace when necessary - and ask yourself how a physician could charge LESS than he does for an office visit and still be in business.

Or they're associated with a hospital and use their lab, probably giving up a lot of independence in the process.

648 badger1970  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:58:55am

re: #586 3 wood

I agree, family is off limits, especially the kids and relatives who don't shoot off their mouths at every opportunity.

Letterman si a perverted, bitter, old man. Johny Carson would have never snooped so low.

649 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:59:14am

re: #628 3 wood

Putting Letterman in the same group as all men makes it bad to be a man.
He's a hateful shrew of a man who NBC rightfully passed over to give Leno the Tonight Show.

650 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:59:26am

re: #624 redstateredneck

Didn't he also say Sarah Palin's makeup looked like a slutty flight attendant?

Yes. Todd Palin should go on the show. Davie would poop his wittle pants when confronted

651 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:59:59am

re: #627 reine.de.tout

I saw that the other day - I'm not sure she's biased, but rather so completely P.C. brainwashed that she is completely unable to make distinctions between what is acceptable or appropriate and what is not.


i'll bet whatever happened was consensual. i can think of no other explanation for this type of response.

652 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:09am

re: #610 VioletTiger

Better get used to it..... ;)

Not without a fight! LOL!

653 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:12am

Right wing blogs are going absolutely MENTAL over Shep Smith for telling the truth about the sad/scary haters who infest them these days. But he's won a lot of respect from the saner elements of the blogosphere.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

654 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:25am

re: #641 Nevergiveup

I am thinking of selling everything and going on Active Duty.

I'm glad I already have pretty good dental work (several crowns and a permanent bridge). Maybe I can make it to my golden years just taking care of what I already have!

655 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:42am

re: #645 redstateredneck
Our small hospital here in the Wenatchee, WA area was going to lose its ability to do medicare/medicaid patients because......Horrors, the doctors who work there own the hospital!

656 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:44am

re: #599 avanti

"These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl....

Letterman is a liar. Here's his monologue:

Monologue %P% Aired Monday night on CBS: You know who was in town this weekend, went to a Yankee game? Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska. And she was up there with Rudy Giuliani. They were sitting together. And their seats were, well, let me tell you where their seats were. They were way, way in far right field. They were so far right. Crazy.

And, they had a wonderful time. The toughest part of her visit was keeping Elliot Spitzer away from her daughter. That was tough.

One awkward moment during the game. Maybe you heard about it. Maybe you saw it on one of the highlight reels. One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game. During the 7th inning her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.

Sarah Palin got there early and she was taken to her seat, shown to her seat, by Joe the Usher.

While she was at the Yankee game, Sarah Palin managed to spend $150,000 on hats and t-shirts.

But Sarah Palin — it was exciting, because everybody loves New York City and she spent the entire weekend here in New York City.

It was indeed a joke about having sex with a 14 year old girl.

Where are the outraged calls for Letterman to be fired? You know that if a conservative talk show host made similar jokes about Obama's kids, his career would be finished.

657 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:46am

re: #646 pingjockey

Respectfully raped? Tastefully beheaded? Graciously stoned to death?
WTF is wrong with the left? (Rhetorical)


Coming soon to a neighborhood near you honor killings.

658 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:52am

re: #619 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm sure most folks are keeping tabs on the full blown wackaloon James Von Brunn and the Holocaust Museum updates. Well, seems that this guy had a conspiracy for pretty much everything and everyone.

He was anti-government, anti-Jewish, was a 9/11 troofer, was a Nirther, anti-Semite, racist, white supremacist, anti-Bush, anti-Federal Reserve, etc.

So, what does MSNBC do? They use a quote from a fellow white supremacist to claim that "shooting suspect was genius and hothead" ignoring that he was now a murder suspect for killing security guard Stephen T. Johns, and buries the fact that the quote comes from a fellow white supremacist. In fact, MSNBC doesn't even mention Johns' name at all in that story.

It's kind of hard to pigeon hole this kind of crazy, so other reports simply claim he was an elderly gunman, as though that's sufficient.

It isn't.

Classy.

This is the bias folks were talking about here a night or two ago - the media seems to lump in the right-wing extremists, supremacists, etc., with a simple "right-wing" tag, and all of us who are "right-wing" get smeared.

659 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:01:06am

Washington Post "On Faith" columnist worries aloud whether it's "open season on Jews?".

"It's open season on Jews," one of my friends remarked upon hearing the news of the shooting at the Holocaust Museum.

The response, I first thought, sounded like typical Jewish paranoia. The alleged shooter was an 88- year-old white supremacist fanatic operating alone, and his only victim, in the end, was a non-Jewish security guard. Why magnify an isolated incident into an incipient pogrom?

But, on second thought, isn't this the third "isolated incident" directed against Jews in just over a month?

660 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:01:24am

Good morning Y'all - from a warm (71 degrees, going up to 90 degrees with BAD T-Storms and Lightning predicted) but currently sunny and bright Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

661 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:01:29am

re: #627 reine.de.tout

I saw that the other day - I'm not sure she's biased, but rather so completely P.C. brainwashed that she is completely unable to make distinctions between what is acceptable or appropriate and what is not.

Or something related to Stockholm Syndrome?

662 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:01:41am

re: #628 3 wood

Of course he did.

What you on the left are avoiding dealing with is Bristol Palin was not at the game. The 14 year old was at the game. Letterman was talking about the 14 year old.

Why don't you show some class and condemn this public verbal abuse of a young girl by a 62 year old man?

You must first have to have class to show any. That's the problem.

663 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:01:51am

re: #599 avanti

Here's Letterman's reply to the flap:

“We were, as we often do, making jokes about people in the news and we made some jokes about Sarah Palin and her daughter [Bristol]... and now they’re upset with me…” Letterman says on tonight's show. "These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl.... Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No." Saying he hopes he's "cleared part of this up," Letterman extended an invitation to Palin to come on the show as a guest.

So what's your opinion avanti?
Was Letterman out of line or will you join the left and just dismiss it?

And would it have been much better if he had been talking about Bristol?

664 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:01:53am

re: #657 soxfan4life

Already here my friend, or did you mean more?

665 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:02:26am

re: #656 Kenneth

I just I hope I meet him in an elevator or something one day. No violence, but I'd let him have a piece of my mind. Maybe he'd take a swing at me?

666 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:02:42am

re: #657 soxfan4life
Not if I have a weapon handy.

667 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:03:11am

re: #650 VegasRick

Yes. Todd Palin should go on the show. Davie would poop his wittle pants when confronted

The Dude should go on and bitch slap the little wimp.

668 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:03:30am

Avanti must be scouring his left wing talking point emails for how to respond to this.

669 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:03:46am

re: #619 lawhawk

Good Morning America made it sound like this guy started acting crazy the minute Obama was sworn in. They did not mention anything you posted on your blog. shocka!

670 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:03:50am

re: #623 opnion

How does one rape respectfully? I wonder if she had witnessed a beheading if she would have described it as tasteful?

Well maybe they got her permission.
And they do all have tiny, little, teensy, weensy ones.
So maybe that's what the stupid slut meant.
Unfuckingbelievable.

671 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:03:53am

re: #190 gmsc

If it's a Mac, do it right now – you'll like the new Safari (actually, you'll like the new Safari for Windows, too).

Any opinions on how Safari for Windows compares to Firefox?

672 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:03:57am

re: #645 redstateredneck

Already, a lot of the doctors around here are not in private practice; their clinics are owned by the community hospital. In smaller rural areas, this is even more so. With the new "improved" government health care, these clinics will be even fewer and further between.

And already, doctors are refusing new patients. I had been seeing my doctor, at his clinic, for 30 years, and he retired. NOT ONE of the other doctors at that clinic, where I have 30 years of medical records, would take me on as a new patient. I did find a new doctor, but somewhere else and they will have to get my records from the original clinic. Seemed odd to me that they would not continue to "keep" me as a patient.

673 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:04:06am

re: #588 redstateredneck

Let's see. Doctor's will be paid less under Obamacare and there isn't a chance in hell of tort reform. Yeah, this is gonna work out real well.

But wait! There's more!

Even NPR this morning frankly pointed out that the essential point of the Obama energy "plan" is to - deliberately - drive up energy prices, so that we're all forced to conserve. (Flying pig moment, that NPR would admit this.) Which, gosh, I think will also tend to drive up a certain macroeconomic phenomenon that starts with the letter "i".

Now how much would you pay?

674 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:04:27am

re: #628 3 wood

Of course he did.

What you on the left are avoiding dealing with is Bristol Palin was not at the game. The 14 year old was at the game. Letterman was talking about the 14 year old.

Why don't you show some class and condemn this public verbal abuse of a young girl by a 62 year old man?

At this point, I'm thinking maybe he has no class.

675 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:02am

re: #661 Kosh's Shadow

Or something related to Stockholm Syndrome?

I personally don't think so, in this case. I think she just is completely PC brainwashed.

676 Irish Rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:15am

re: #660 realwest

Good morning Y'all - from a warm (71 degrees, going up to 90 degrees with BAD T-Storms and Lightning predicted) but currently sunny and bright Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?


Fine and dandy.
Enjoying a nice cup of coffee, while waiting for the feds to start rolling into the neighborhood en masse.

677 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:31am

re: #665 Nevergiveup

I just I hope I meet him in an elevator or something one day. No violence, but I'd let him have a piece of my mind. Maybe he'd take a swing at me?

Letterman would wet his pants.

678 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:35am

re: #667 redstateredneck

The Dude should go on and bitch slap the little wimp.

I know that I would.

679 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:35am
680 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:39am

re: #660 realwest

How is everyone this morning?


WE'RE MAD AS HELL AND WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE! ! !

How about you, {real}?
;-)

681 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:40am

re: #677 Kenneth

Letterman would wet his pants.

And didn't this scumbag Letterman have a guy or girl stalking him and his son? He should know better. Scumbag.

682 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:52am

re: #670 Spare O'Lake

Well maybe they got her permission.
And they do all have tiny, little, teensy, weensy ones.
So maybe that's what the stupid slut meant.
Unfuckingbelievable.

Maybe they kept her face covered...out of respect...

683 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:55am

re: #676 Irish Rose
WHAT?! Why?
Didja hear the Rev. Wrong shot his mouth off again!?

684 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:56am

re: #668 3 wood

Avanti must be scouring his left wing talking point emails for how to respond to this.

Yep. Ought to be a hilarious reply.

685 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:15am

re: #681 Nevergiveup

And didn't this scumbag Letterman have a guy or girl stalking him and his son? He should know better. Scumbag.

He was being stalked by a priest I think.

686 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:35am

re: #659 Occasional Reader

I sent that article to my wife asking her when she would like me to schedule her an appointment with an instructor at a shooting range

687 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:39am

Letterman's apology is a sad little joke in itself. He made the joke about the daughter "at the Yankee game", the daugter who was "at the Yankee game" was 14 years old. Somehow he wasn't making a joke about that 14 year old girl having sex with a grown man?

"One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."[34].

His apology will only be swallowed by self-deceiving slaves of the Left. Thinking humans know what he meant.

688 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:43am

16:52 Report: Mitchell urges Arab states to make peace with Israel (Haaretz)

Well I'm not worried now, that aughta take care of everything?

689 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:45am

re: #669 KenJen

It took 30 seconds of searching yesterday to come up with the full blown wackaloon craziness of his website and multiple posts on various extremist websites. They go back years. His violence goes back decades. The SPLC has been keeping tabs on him since the 1980s.

He didn't simply spring up and start engaging in violence when Obama was sworn in. He's had violent tendencies - and went to prison for 'em. He was set off most recently because he claimed his Social Security benefits were cut.

690 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:14am

i noticed on the news clip that when letterman said sarah's name, there was an immediate round of applause for her and some boos after he said his vulgar insulting b.s.
letterman is such a ghastly mean bastard. he has gone so far beyond his signature cynicism that he has become a festering despicable belligerent jackass.
cruelty to children is not funny.

691 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:20am

re: #673 Occasional Reader

Even NPR this morning frankly pointed out that the essential point of the Obama energy "plan" is to - deliberately - drive up energy prices, so that we're all forced to conserve.

If Obama really wants to drive up energy prices all he has to do is bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. That'll do it!

692 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:21am

re: #655 pingjockey

Our small hospital here in the Wenatchee, WA area was going to lose its ability to do medicare/medicaid patients because......Horrors, the doctors who work there own the hospital!

Last I heard, in high cost areas, medicare doesn't pay enough to cover the doctor's costs. They might have fixed that by now, though.

693 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:48am

re: #567 Irish Rose

It's amazing how much you can find about people by searching online.

The Reiminks would appear, on the face of it, to be "normal" everyday "Christian" people. Apparently Steve R.'s father donates to a Christian ministry (records online), his mother died a couple of years ago, and there is a "Steve Reimink" (of Michigan) online signature on a petition... put out by the Paulians.... to recount the MI primary vote.

"Reimink" itself is a bit of an unusual name, so easy to track down.

694 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:50am

re: #656 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth - c'mon now, you know that Obama's kids are off limits. Period. He said so and the MSM agreed. So they are not being two-faced about this, Sarah Palin never said her kids were off limits, so for an older guy who really ran out of fresh material January 20, 2009, she and they were natural targets.
But I have to confess my bias here: I never understood Letterman's "humor" that well. I was too used to Johnny Carson who would make fun of both political parties. Then when Letterman didn't get his job - cause they gave it to Leno - he just got bitter and not funny.

695 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:07am

re: #683 pingjockey

WHAT?! Why?
Didja hear the Rev. Wrong shot his mouth off again!?

Yeah, and can you imagine the shit The Rev said that were never caught on tape? And Obama never heard a word? Onfuckenbelievable!

696 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:23am

re: #670 Spare O'Lake

Well maybe they got her permission.
And they do all have tiny, little, teensy, weensy ones.
So maybe that's what the stupid slut meant.
Unfuckingbelievable.

It is amazing that a woman would rationalize a gang bang."They are not monsters." Yes they are.

697 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:33am

re: #589 Kenneth

Respectfully Raped by the Taliban


It says something about the bias of this journalist when she will condemn Bush as a war criminal because 3 terrorists were carefully waterboarded, but she will excuse other terrorists when they gang rape her. Just wow.

That certainly doesn't add up, now does it? I wonder (I have no idea, I just wonder) if she suffers from some deranging martyr complex, and is simply telling a tale, or identified so strongly with her captors that the rest of it makes sense to her.
It's just mind-boggling.
On my once and future blog, I jumped the shark on that one CSM reporter, Jill Carroll, because her story didn't seem to add up. But in the end I had no basis for levelling such an accusation, so I climbed down in as serious a fashion as possible (Hell, the apology was better-written than the original post).
So I'm not accusing her of lying. It could be massive Stockholm. But MAN, whatever it is, it just doesn't add up.

698 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:36am

re: #615 VegasRick

People in the news? Bristol Palin? Where are his jokes about the 0's family? You really are just a lefty apologist..

Excuse me ? I just posted Letteman's reply, I made no apology for his tasteless joke. He's a comedian, and made a tasteless joke, his comments no more represent the feeling of the entire left then Anne Coulter has for the right for her tasteless crap.
Every time Rush, Rev Wright, Micheal Moore, or another personality makes a stupid comment, it's used to paint either the left or right with their brush, and that's wrong.

699 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:44am

BBIAM!

700 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:55am

re: #685 KenJen
He had a real crazy woman stalking himfor a while. Broke into his house, etc...

701 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:57am

re: #690 nyc redneck

i noticed on the news clip that when letterman said sarah's name, there was an immediate round of applause for her and some boos after he said his vulgar insulting b.s.
letterman is such a ghastly mean bastard. he has gone so far beyond his signature cynicism that he has become a festering despicable belligerent jackass.
cruelty to children is not funny.

Morning, NYC!

Letterman has lost his mind, imo.
His cynicism has turned to full-blown hatred that he can't come close to hiding (nor does he appear to want to).

702 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:10:07am

re: #665 Nevergiveup

I just I hope I meet him in an elevator or something one day. No violence, but I'd let him have a piece of my mind. Maybe he'd take a swing at me?

I knew a guy who worked at NBC HQ back in the late 80s. Even then, Letterman had a strong reputation around the office of giving new meaning to the word "asshole" (for instance, standing orders were that mere office peons were not to greet him or speak to him in any way). And he appears to have gotten worse over time.

703 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:10:08am

re: #690 nyc redneck

"festering despicable belligerent jackass"

Rotating title nominee of the day!

704 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:10:11am

re: #658 reine.de.tout

This is the bias folks were talking about here a night or two ago - the media seems to lump in the right-wing extremists, supremacists, etc., with a simple "right-wing" tag, and all of us who are "right-wing" get smeared.


That was yesterday in the first museum nutcase murderer thread.

705 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:10:50am

re: #698 avanti

Excuse me ? I just posted Letteman's reply, I made no apology for his tasteless joke. He's a comedian, and made a tasteless joke, his comments no more represent the feeling of the entire left then Anne Coulter has for the right for her tasteless crap.
Every time Rush, Rev Wright, Micheal Moore, or another personality makes a stupid comment, it's used to paint either the left or right with their brush, and that's wrong.

Well it would nice then of the "Powers" that be on left came down on Letterman like a ton of bricks?

706 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:10am

re: #688 Nevergiveup

And that's different from every other envoy to the region's statements? It's the same crap, and the same outcome. The Arabs will make demands they know Israel will never accede to (right of return to all Arabs), and pressure still more land concessions, despite the fact that any land already given to Palestinians has been repeatedly used to carry out attacks against Israel.

Palestinians already control most of the West Bank and all of Gaza. They've already got Hamastan. They use it as a rocket pad for their war against Israel. The West Bank has been quieter, but only by a matter of degree since they're content to let Hamas wage the war while they get the wages from the US, EU and Israelis and line their pockets. It's the triangle offense, and Israel is caught in the middle without a true partner for peace.

If Abbas were truly a partner in peace, there would have been a counteroffer to Olmert's proposal. Instead it was rejected out of hand.

707 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:12am

re: #695 Nevergiveup
Once again, "it's da Jooos"!

708 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #664 rightside

Already here my friend, or did you mean more?


With the lefts attempt to grasp their inner Muslim extremist it will become an accepted practice.

709 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:23am
710 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:38am

re: #704 J.D.

That was yesterday in the first museum nutcase murderer thread.

Ah. I knew I'd seen it here. I was reading it in the evening.

711 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:39am

Morning everyone. I posted a few comments in the Wendesday Night Book Thread today, but that discussion appears to be dead.

Anyway, I'm also reading Elmore Leonard and Michael Connelly now.

712 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:51am

Later folks!

713 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:53am

So Avanti, you are just fine with grown men verbally abusing little girls, are you?

714 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:12:11am

re: #694 realwest

nyc redneck described Letterman's humor perfectly: festering despicable belligerent jackass

That's him alright.

715 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:12:52am

re: #700 pingjockey

He had a real crazy woman stalking himfor a while. Broke into his house, etc...

Right, the priest was stalking Conan.

716 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:12:58am

re: #694 realwest

Good morning Kenneth - c'mon now, you know that Obama's kids are off limits. Period. He said so and the MSM agreed. So they are not being two-faced about this, Sarah Palin never said her kids were off limits, so for an older guy who really ran out of fresh material January 20, 2009, she and they were natural targets.
But I have to confess my bias here: I never understood Letterman's "humor" that well. I was too used to Johnny Carson who would make fun of both political parties. Then when Letterman didn't get his job - cause they gave it to Leno - he just got bitter and not funny.

RW ... I said almost exactly the same thing upthread about Leno getting the Carson job and DL's bitter turn.

717 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:32am

re: #660 realwest

Good morning Y'all - ...
How is everyone this morning?

Good morning, afternoon, evening my fellow Lizards.
And a very good morning to you my friend (Real), how's everything?

718 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:39am

re: #698 avanti

Given your track record, the fact you posted Letterman's lie of an apology without comment makes it look like you were endorsing it, or at least accepting it at face value.

719 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:42am

re: #698 avanti

re: #698 avanti

His apology was a lie.

"One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."[34].

The daughter at the game was 14. Rationalize it all you want.

720 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:00am

re: #673 Occasional Reader

But wait! There's more!

Even NPR this morning frankly pointed out that the essential point of the Obama energy "plan" is to - deliberately - drive up energy prices, so that we're all forced to conserve. (Flying pig moment, that NPR would admit this.) Which, gosh, I think will also tend to drive up a certain macroeconomic phenomenon that starts with the letter "i".

Now how much would you pay?

Genius.

721 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:24am

re: #718 Kenneth

Given your track record, the fact you posted Letterman's lie of an apology without comment makes it look like you were endorsing it, or at least accepting it at face value.

Avanti could be a staff writer for Letterman.

722 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:34am

re: #671 Throbert McGee

Any opinions on how Safari for Windows compares to Firefox?

Use google "chrome".

723 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:35am

re: #714 Kenneth

nyc redneck described Letterman's humor perfectly: festering despicable belligerent jackasslockquote>

... with bad teeth!

724 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:41am

re: #709 taxfreekiller

U.S.A. 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011,,,,Bat shit crazy loon commie earth first Democrat Chicago Union Thug,, Chaos.

IMHO

First chance to stop the digging and plug the holes in the ship, November 2010.

Fight back like your children's lives depend on you.

A thousand updings iffn' I could!

725 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:58am

re: #698 avanti

Excuse me ? I just posted Letteman's reply, I made no apology for his tasteless joke. He's a comedian, and made a tasteless joke, his comments no more represent the feeling of the entire left then Anne Coulter has for the right for her tasteless crap.
Every time Rush, Rev Wright, Micheal Moore, or another personality makes a stupid comment, it's used to paint either the left or right with their brush, and that's wrong.


Your words
"Here's Letterman's reply to the flap:"
If that were said about ozero's kids I'm sure that it would be more than a flap. Get real Avanti and stop the faux outrage.

726 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:15:37am
727 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:16:05am

re: #719 lincolntf

re: #698 avanti

His apology was a lie.

"One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."[34].

The daughter at the game was 14. Rationalize it all you want.

Coming soon Letterman, I misspoke, my joke was taken out of context, That wasn't what I meant, It's not my fault. Doing his best Jake Blues.

728 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:16:19am

re: #722 reine.de.tout

Use google "chrome".

Pourquoi?

(I just installed the Safari 4 update on my Macbook last night, but haven't played with it much yet.)

729 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:16:27am

re: #720 J.D.

And there's another unintended side effect to those higher energy prices. It saps whatever financial incentives the government has proffered through the porkfest spending. The cost of energy has increased $140 billion while the spending plan has spent $112 billion so far, which means that we're billions in the hole, with absolutely nothing to show for it except a huge budget deficit, higher energy prices, and a private sector that continues hurting.

730 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:17:09am

letterman is a coward. you can see this by how he behaves to people he is confident he can humiliate and use to make jokes at their expense.
he behaves in a completely different way, w/ deference and respect to people he senses he can not treat disdainfully.
the sob is a classic bully who would run like a little boy and wet his pants if challenged, even mildly.
and that is why he is so mean.

731 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:17:45am

re: #720 J.D.

One can only hope that a policy of deliberately raising energy costs just may cause even the Democrat-controlled Congress to run from Obama, screaming. Constituents tend to respond very angrily and immediately to soaring energy costs, methinks.

732 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:18:02am

re: #663 VioletTiger

So what's your opinion avanti?
Was Letterman out of line or will you join the left and just dismiss it?

And would it have been much better if he had been talking about Bristol?


Of course it was a tasteless joke by a comedian and it won't be the last, but I have bigger concerns in my life then worrying about radio and TV personalities making stupid comments.

733 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:18:31am

re: #713 3 wood

Remember that vile POS baldwin humiliating his young daughter, calling her a "thoughtless pig"?

734 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:18:54am

re: #727 soxfan4life

Coming soon Letterman, I misspoke, my joke was taken out of context, That wasn't what I meant, It's not my fault. Doing his best Jake Blues.

There was an earthquake! A terrible fire!

735 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:19:07am

First there was the Laffer Curve. Now, there's the Laffer Spike. And that's a spike through the heart of the US financial system.

736 badger1970  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:19:15am

Letterman's reply was in essence, "I'm sorry you're too stupid to get the joke and if you were offended, frill off."

No amount of spin were un-ring that bell.

737 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:19:37am

re: #725 VegasRick

I think it's pathetic how Letterman claims that he was "only" mocking Bristol Palin, not Willow.
How many Grade A Hollywood guttersluts has he hosted on his show over the years? And how often has he made a joke about their kids getting "knocked up" at a baseball game? I'm guessing ZERO.
It was a dirty joke at the expense of a kid, nothing less.
He's a useless old prick who should count himself lucky that he's too frail for Mr. Palin to take any interest in kicking his ass.

738 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:19:47am

re: #700 pingjockey

He had a real crazy woman stalking himfor a while. Broke into his house, etc...

Yeah, and then he married her!

Funny, huh Dave?

739 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:19:49am

re: #731 Occasional Reader

One can only hope that a policy of deliberately raising energy costs just may cause even the Democrat-controlled Congress to run from Obama, screaming. Constituents tend to respond very angrily and immediately to soaring energy costs, methinks.

Once cap and trade hits everyones electric bill, gas prices won't even come up in discussion. The really interesting part will be to see how they blame the GOP for it.

740 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:20:24am

re: #732 avanti

Of course it was a tasteless joke by a comedian and it won't be the last, but I have bigger concerns in my life then worrying about radio and TV personalities making stupid comments.


So if a "Moron" on the "Right" makes a stupid comment it tars the entire conservative movement and we better clean up our act, but when a "Moron" on the "left" does there are bigger concerns? Hum? OK I think I got it now?

741 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:20:43am

re: #688 Nevergiveup

16:52 Report: Mitchell urges Arab states to make peace with Israel (Haaretz)

Well I'm not worried now, that aughta take care of everything?


From this article, I get the idea Mitchell is getting annoyed with the Arabs for offering nothing.

Mitchell also stressed the two sides' obligations under the 2003 Road Map peace plan that calls for a cessation of Palestinians violence and incitement, as well as Israeli settlement activity.

"Israelis and Palestinians have responsibility to meet their obligations under the Road Map. It is not just their responsibility. We believe it is in their interest as well," he said.

"As President [Barack] Obama said here in Cairo just last week, the Arab states have an important role to play ... We regard the Arab peace initiative as an important proposal that we are trying to integrate into our effort.

"Proposing the initiative was just the beginning; it brings with it responsibilities to join in taking meaningful steps and important actions that will help us move towards our objective."

But Aboul Gheit said that Arab states would take steps toward normalization once they saw Israel take its own "serious and real" steps.

"Any Arab act must be matched by an act," Aboul Gheit said in answer to a question on what exactly was meant by "meaningful Arab steps."

"There must be a substantial Israeli act which consists of a complete end to settlement activity and the withdrawal of the Israeli army from all [West Bank] towns and the end of the [Gaza] blockade.

"If we see serious and real Israeli steps we think that Arab parties will also be prepared to return to the situation existing before 2000," he said.


So, to the Arabs, withdrawing from Gaza doesn't count, and they'd only consider returning "to the situation existing before 2000". Not normalization. Not even clear what that means.

I'm beginning to wonder how Obama is going to deal with this. The Arabs obviously expect him to deliver Israel on a silver platter. They'll give nothing. Will he increase the pressure on Israel, tell the Arabs they have to give something, or just put this on the back burner because he has to fix the economy or something?
I mean, the Arabs are insulting him by not giving him anything.

742 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:20:52am

re: #691 Kenneth

If Obama really wants to drive up energy prices all he has to do is bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. That'll do it!

Not by much. But a better system than cap & trade is bombing Chinese factories. If the filthiest, most polluting industrial facilities on Earth do not produce, then the market will select cleaner ones.

The problem with Kyoto is that it is designed to raise prices on clean facilities in the west (and Japan) and thereby drive business to the worst polluters in the east, who are NOT SUBJECT to the same restrictions.

743 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:22:34am

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

So, to the Arabs, withdrawing from Gaza doesn't count, and they'd only consider returning "to the situation existing before 2000". Not normalization. Not even clear what that means.

I'm beginning to wonder how Obama is going to deal with this. The Arabs obviously expect him to deliver Israel on a silver platter. They'll give nothing. Will he increase the pressure on Israel, tell the Arabs they have to give something, or just put this on the back burner because he has to fix the economy or something?
I mean, the Arabs are insulting him by not giving him anything.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Israel called the bluff and actually stopped settlement activity.

744 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:22:35am

re: #705 Nevergiveup

Well it would nice then of the "Powers" that be on left came down on Letterman like a ton of bricks?

If so then powers on the right need to come down on Coulter, Rush and the rest. They are radio and TV personalities, exercising their free speech right to be ass holes, both on the right and left, not politicians in power.

745 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:22:50am

re: #742 haakondahl

Not by much. But a better system than cap & trade is bombing Chinese factories. If the filthiest, most polluting industrial facilities on Earth do not produce, then the market will select cleaner ones.

The problem with Kyoto is that it is designed to raise prices on clean facilities in the west (and Japan) and thereby drive business to the worst polluters in the east, who are NOT SUBJECT to the same restrictions.


Look at the power plants being disassembled in this country and being shipped to South America due to the same lack of restrictions there.

746 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:22:54am

re: #732 avanti

Of course it was a tasteless joke by a comedian and it won't be the last, but I have bigger concerns in my life then worrying about radio and TV personalities making stupid comments.

Avanti,if this was a vicious sexual joke about either of the Obama daughters, I am guessing that you would be cocerned.

747 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:23:02am

re: #728 Occasional Reader

Pourquoi?

(I just installed the Safari 4 update on my Macbook last night, but haven't played with it much yet.)

With a windows PC, chrome works better than safari (personal experience).

748 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:23:14am

re: #735 lawhawk

First there was the Laffer Curve. Now, there's the Laffer Spike. And that's a spike through the heart of the US financial system.

That is one of the most terrifying graphic images I've ever seen.

749 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:23:29am

re: #744 avanti

If so then powers on the right need to come down on Coulter, Rush and the rest. They are radio and TV personalities, exercising their free speech right to be ass holes, both on the right and left, not politicians in power.

And i seem to remember many doing that. Bot here and out in the "real" world

750 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:24:04am

re: #747 reine.de.tout

I had huge problems with safari for windows, but have not tried chrome. I use FF3, do you find chrome better than FF?

751 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:24:15am

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

So, to the Arabs, withdrawing from Gaza doesn't count, and they'd only consider returning "to the situation existing before 2000". Not normalization. Not even clear what that means.

I'm beginning to wonder how Obama is going to deal with this. The Arabs obviously expect him to deliver Israel on a silver platter. They'll give nothing. Will he increase the pressure on Israel, tell the Arabs they have to give something, or just put this on the back burner because he has to fix the economy or something?
I mean, the Arabs are insulting him by not giving him anything.


I find this disturbing to say the least: "We regard the Arab peace initiative as an important proposal that we are trying to integrate into our effort."

So thats Obama's grand plan? The Arab "peace" initiative?

752 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:24:26am

re: #731 Occasional Reader

One can only hope that a policy of deliberately raising energy costs just may cause even the Democrat-controlled Congress to run from Obama, screaming. Constituents tend to respond very angrily and immediately to soaring energy costs, methinks.

Let's hope so.

I can hear them calling in...
"He told us the rich were gonna pay for all this!"

753 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:07am

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

So, to the Arabs, withdrawing from Gaza doesn't count, and they'd only consider returning "to the situation existing before 2000".

Sounds like a great offer. I think Israel should even go one better: How about "... to the situation exisiting before Oslo"?

754 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:19am

re: #735 lawhawk

First there was the Laffer Curve. Now, there's the Laffer Spike. And that's a spike through the heart of the US financial system.

Saw that over there... just put up.

HotAir seems unclear on the concept though... as they try to tie it to the deficit (past, or projected), by adding the graph (of deficits) at the bottom of their entry.

Yet, it should be obvious, that the graphs of yearly % increase in money supply and that of national deficit don't correlate well.

That "spike" is due to the Fed covering the collective asses of the financial system.

755 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:32am

re: #751 Creeping Eruption

I find this disturbing to say the least: "We regard the Arab peace initiative as an important proposal that we are trying to integrate into our effort."

So thats Obama's grand plan? The Arab "peace" initiative?

Pretty much. The Dems and the left pretty much fell for the Saudi Plan hook line and sinker.

756 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:33am

re: #735 lawhawk

First there was the Laffer Curve. Now, there's the Laffer Spike. And that's a spike through the heart of the US financial system.

If people truly understood the implications of that chart there would be panic and mobs marching on DC. Sadly the MSM will either bury it or explain it away with mumbo jumbo stuff.

Just like todays unemployment news: "New Jobless Claims Drop Unexpectedly to 601,000"

But buried in the article in nearly the last paragraph: "Still, the number of people claiming benefits for more than a week rose by 59,000 to 6.8 million, the highest on records dating to 1967."

And that is supposed to be good news.

757 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:34am
758 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:37am

re: #732 avanti

Of course it was a tasteless joke by a comedian and it won't be the last, but I have bigger concerns in my life then worrying about radio and TV personalities making stupid comments.


Frankly, we all do. But how people react and either condone or condemn people and their actions is part of what defines society. I am not making any accusations, I'd just wanted to know your opinion.

759 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:41am

re: #732 avanti

Of course it was a tasteless joke by a comedian and it won't be the last, but I have bigger concerns in my life then worrying about radio and TV personalities making stupid comments.

Couldn't you, at the very least, bring yourself to defend the kids?

760 jcm  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:54am

What happens when government makes business decisions.

Local Dodge dealer: "I was sick to my stomach'

Kiekenapp says their business has been profitable all of the past 15 years, employing hundreds of local workers in that time. His dealership ranked 76th out of 3,200 dealerships nationwide in parts sales.


Health care next!
Yippee-Ki-Yay mother fuckers, we are so screwed.

761 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:59am

re: #755 Nevergiveup

Pretty much. The Dems and the left pretty much fell for the Saudi Plan hook line and sinker.

House of cards built on shifting sands.

762 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:26:13am

re: #660 realwest

Good morning Y'all - from a warm (71 degrees, going up to 90 degrees with BAD T-Storms and Lightning predicted) but currently sunny and bright Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

{realwest} Hello darlin *smoochie-smooch* Happy to see you today. Has your back pain left you alone?

763 irish rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:26:35am

re: #683 pingjockey

WHAT?! Why?
Didja hear the Rev. Wrong shot his mouth off again!?

See my #529 and #567.

764 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:26:46am

re: #743 Creeping Eruption

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Israel called the bluff and actually stopped settlement activity.

No, it wouldn't be interesting. It would be utterly boring, as it would be completely predictable. You know perfectly well what would happen, don't you?

765 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:26:52am

re: #740 Nevergiveup

So if a "Moron" on the "Right" makes a stupid comment it tars the entire conservative movement and we better clean up our act, but when a "Moron" on the "left" does there are bigger concerns? Hum? OK I think I got it now?

No you don't get it, if you want to censor and shut down ass hole comments, you need to work on both sides. For me, Letterman and Coulter are flip sides of the same coin, they make money by tarring the other side and pandering to their base. I accept that, and take neither seriously.

766 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:27:11am

Avanti is having some words stuffed in his mouth, but he didn't go there. By all means, criticise people for what they say, but there's an awful lot of inferred content being criticised.

767 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:27:18am

re: #748 Occasional Reader

That is one of the most terrifying graphic images I've ever seen.

Yeah, but HotAir pimps the Tea Parties, so I wouldn't put much stake into anything they post.
/

768 acwgusa  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:27:22am

re: #563 Kenneth

President Opposite

President Opposite

Argggh! Miranda ends at the water's edge of the United States! It was Miranda v Arizona, not Miranda v Mohammed!

769 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:27:28am

So Roseanne Barr is really pissed off because according to her Obama has agreed to allow the Israelis to grandfather all existing West Bank settlements as part of any peace negotiations.
This proves she is delusional.

770 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:27:37am

re: #765 avanti

No you don't get it, if you want to censor and shut down ass hole comments, you need to work on both sides. For me, Letterman and Coulter are flip sides of the same coin, they make money by tarring the other side and pandering to their base. I accept that, and take neither seriously.

So Imus gets thrown off the airwaves but letterman is fine?

771 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:27:38am

have a great day all!

772 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:27:48am
773 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:05am
Of course it was a tasteless joke by a comedian and it won't be the last, but I have bigger concerns in my life then worrying about radio and TV personalities making stupid comments.


Folks, here you have it in Avanti's own words.

A 62 year old man uses his position of power in the broadcast media to verbally abuse a 14 year old girl and Avanti has "bigger concerns" than to worry about this. His words, not mine.

A week or so I ago I also proved that Avanti was cherry picking stock market numbers when he claimed that the market has gone up 30% or so under Obama.

If you are tracking the actual numbers (as I do) the Dow is down 3% on the year as of the market close yesterday.

Just understand that you are dealing with a left wing shill when you read Avanti's stuff.

774 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:24am

re: #735 lawhawk

Wow. That's one hell of a spike! People are not ready for the kind of pain that explosion in the money supply is going to cause.

775 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:25am

re: #751 Creeping Eruption


So thats Obama's grand plan? The Arab "peace" initiative?

That, and "fighting negative stereotypes of Islam, wherever they may appear". It can't miss!

776 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:25am

re: #671 Throbert McGee

Any opinions on how Safari for Windows compares to Firefox?

Maybe it is just me. I've had Firefox on my Windows PC for ages but in the last few month it continued to crash on me using different threads of LGF on different tabs. So I changed to Safari mainly for my LGF use and stick to Firefox for most of the other sites I visit. Safari isn't as easy to operate concerning my bookmarks and I haven't figured out yet if there is add-ons as with Firefox.
FoxyTunes for example lets me pause and adjust the volume of my iTunes. Don't know if such add-ons exist for Safari.
Safari however performs nicely with LGF is stable and I haven't noticed speed differences.

777 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:34am

re: #764 Occasional Reader

No, it wouldn't be interesting. It would be utterly boring, as it would be completely predictable. You know perfectly well what would happen, don't you?

You mean besides blaming Israel and the evil Jooos . . .? Yeah, you are probably right. More of the same.

778 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:35am

re: #760 jcm

Up-ding

and btw ... *grin* ... check your verizon email for a just-send msg

779 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:39am

re: #743 Creeping Eruption

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Israel called the bluff and actually stopped settlement activity.

As they always do, the Arabs would find something that they considered settlement activity, and blame Israel. Just like when Israel withdrew from Lebanon, and even the UN agreed, Hizballah claimed Shebaa Farms, which had been part of Syria. Israel said they'd turn it over to Lebanon if Syria agreed that it would stay Lebanese; Syria didn't agree, and Hizballah still uses it as justification.
So the Arabs will find some way to blame Israel.
I wonder if Obama will become disgusted enough to actually criticize the Arabs, or if he'll come up with an excuse that he has to concentrate on something else, like the economy, and he'll get back to Mideast peace later.
Or if he'll increase pressure on Israel. Sharon already called the Paliterrorist's bluff by withdrawing from Gaza, and the result shows that the Palis don't want peace with Israel; they want all the land.

780 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:48am

re: #701 reine.de.tout

Morning, NYC!

Letterman has lost his mind, imo.
His cynicism has turned to full-blown hatred that he can't come close to hiding (nor does he appear to want to).

good morning reine,
i agree. he is so bitter, just an old vicious crass pos,
and proud of it. pathetic.

781 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:29:20am

re: #765 avanti

No you don't get it, if you want to censor and shut down ass hole comments, you need to work on both sides.

Um, you mean like this blog that we're posting on right at this moment DOES ALL THE @#$#%ING TIME?

782 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:29:21am

re: #713 3 wood
Hey 3 wood - how are you today? Didja get my e-mails from last night?

783 acwgusa  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:29:25am

re: #526 Kenneth

The Obama administration has told the FBI “to start reading Miranda rights to suspected terrorists at U.S. military detention facilities in Afghanistan.”

Just when you thought Obama couldn't get any worse...

Arrrrrrrgh! Just........arrrrrrrgh!

784 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:29:50am

re: #747 reine.de.tout

With a windows PC, chrome works better than safari (personal experience).

I use Firefox on both; NoScript is worth it.
BTW, if you use Noscript, mark Googleanalytics as untrusted; it tracks you over all the web pages that use it.

785 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:30:02am

re: #714 Kenneth Yes, I saw that and updinged! LOL!
How are you today my friend?!

786 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:30:04am

re: #775 Occasional Reader

That, and "fighting negative stereotypes of Islam, wherever they may appear". It can't miss!

I thought that was simply part of the job description/

787 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:30:51am

re: #779 Kosh's Shadow

As they always do, the Arabs would find something that they considered settlement activity

Like the city of Tel Aviv, for instance.

788 jcm  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:31:19am

re: #778 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Up-ding

and btw ... *grin* ... check your verizon email for a just-send msg

'kay, BTW I got your email and one form Dustoff-507 mixed up the other day. He sent me a funnier than heck story... I responded here to you like he sent it.

I blame the kids: insanity is hereditary, you get it form your kids!

789 badger1970  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:31:35am

re: #744 avanti

Letterman, who is considered mainstream, joked about knocking up a 14-yo and lied about it. And that joke was considered so funny, that it was rehearsed, stated live and never edited out. Sick, sick, sick. CBS didn't use any standards and practices. Who on the right has called for knocking up a kid? Letterman's "joke" is hate speech.

790 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:31:57am

re: #785 realwest

I'm good thanks. That crazy Australia idea I told you about has collapse. Ain't gonna happen. I'm mush relieved.

How's your back today?

791 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:31:58am

re: #765 avanti

We're not censoring or shutting down anything. We're discussing his partisan ugliness, and the only one who seems to want to shut down the conversation is you. Typical.

792 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:32:01am

re: #750 rightside

I had huge problems with safari for windows, but have not tried chrome. I use FF3, do you find chrome better than FF?

Yes. I had problems with FF.

793 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:32:03am

re: #716 _RememberTonyC
Well I reckon GMTA! How are ya today?

794 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:32:18am
795 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:32:32am

re: #759 J.D.

Couldn't you, at the very least, bring yourself to defend the kids?

How many times can I agree that it was a tasteless comment. I guess it was supposed to be funny based on Willow getting knocked up, but it was mean spirited IMHO.

796 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:32:46am

re: #751 Creeping Eruption

I find this disturbing to say the least: "We regard the Arab peace initiative as an important proposal that we are trying to integrate into our effort."

So thats Obama's grand plan? The Arab "peace" initiative?

Except without Israel taking all the refugees. He might want Israel to take some, but the Arabs insist on all.
I say, if "Palestine" is judenrein, then no refugees come back to Israel, and Israel encourages all its Arabs to go to "Palestine". If it is OK for the Arabs not to allow Jews, then it should be OK for the Jews to encourage Arabs to go to their own state.

797 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:32:55am

Heh.

HVAC guy is looking over the work order and says, "I can't believe that you're getting this unit so cheap. We've been charging a couple of thousand more for this thing."

"How many new residential systems are y'all putting in?"

"Well, not too many lately."

I don't think it's cheap at all. But I guess it's all in how you look at it.

He also said, "I sure hope that this stimulus package kicks in soon, before I go out of business."

May Gaia preserve me.

798 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:33:10am

re: #786 Creeping Eruption

I thought that was simply part of the job description/

For his pay grade, that is.

799 badger1970  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:33:10am

re: #756 JohnnyReb

Good news as in the doctor stating, "Sorry, we only have to remove a few fingers, but the arm gets to stay. At least for now."

800 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:33:10am

re: #717 callahan23
Hey (callahan 23) hello to you! LOL! How are you this fine day?
I'm doing ok, thanks a lot for asking!

801 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:33:24am
802 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:34:14am

re: #787 Occasional Reader

Like the city of Tel Aviv, for instance.

Jaffa, it's the Arab City of Jaffa. Or it will be under the "Arab" plan.

803 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:34:55am

re: #720 J.D.

Genius.


Hey {J.D.} what are you and O.R. trying to do, shift the focus to the real damage that Obama is doing to this country from attacking a semi-celebrity like Letterman?!
:)

804 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:35:01am

re: #796 Kosh's Shadow

Except without Israel taking all the refugees. He might want Israel to take some, but the Arabs insist on all.
I say, if "Palestine" is judenrein, then no refugees come back to Israel, and Israel encourages all its Arabs to go to "Palestine". If it is OK for the Arabs not to allow Jews, then it should be OK for the Jews to encourage Arabs to go to their own state.

I am going to petition the UN for refugee status. The Babylonians exiled my kin, and here I am stuck in a Jewish suburban sub-division in Milwaukee Wisconsin, the land of beer and bratwurst, when I should be in the land of Milk and Honey.

805 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:35:20am

re: #788 jcm

'kay, BTW I got your email and one form Dustoff-507 mixed up the other day. He sent me a funnier than heck story... I responded here to you like he sent it.

I blame the kids: insanity is hereditary, you get it form your kids!

FROM KIDS?!
bbrpt sbitrrb blb gigsslabrb?

/that explains everything!

806 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:35:24am

re: #794 Iron Fist

Name me one place that the Right has gone off on a little girl. Name one.

Erm... there was this nasty piece of spew from Rush Limbaugh.

807 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:35:27am

re: #781 Occasional Reader

Um, you mean like this blog that we're posting on right at this moment DOES ALL THE @#$#%ING TIME?

I have no problem blogging, but firing either Coulter or Letterman for ass hole free speech is different deal. Let them talk, within some pretty wide limits, but expect to be offended on occasion.

808 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:35:56am

Hey Fist..............
Check out my #632.....
Something I'm sure you can appreciate........

809 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:36:09am

re: #765 avanti

No you don't get it, if you want to censor and shut down ass hole comments, you need to work on both sides. For me, Letterman and Coulter are flip sides of the same coin, they make money by tarring the other side and pandering to their base. I accept that, and take neither seriously.

Ann Coulter's fame has outlasted her utility, and certainly her taste. I have said here several times that I no longer buy her books, and wish she would just shut up--and at LGF I'm hardly alone in that.

Nobody's talking about censorship, by the way. Public ridicule is a market force.

810 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:37:01am

re: #806 Occasional Reader

Erm... there was this nasty piece of spew from Rush Limbaugh.

Sorry... to be specific:

Still, "Saturday Night Live" saw fit to air a sketch that compared Chelsea, then 13, unfavorably with Vice President Gore's daughter. The first lady was furious about that, and even angrier when Rush Limbaugh took this shot: "Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat," said Limbaugh. "Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?" And he held up a picture of Chelsea.

Remarkably ignoble.

811 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:37:29am

re: #807 avanti

I have no problem blogging, but firing either Coulter or Letterman for ass hole free speech is different deal. Let them talk, within some pretty wide limits, but expect to be offended on occasion.

Imus? (and I have to admit I really don't like Imus)

812 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:37:55am

re: #782 realwest

Yes I did.

Hope you are feeling better my friend.

If I get the time tonight, I'm going to record a demo disk for you on some of my new compositions send it to you.

813 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:37:56am
814 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:37:59am

re: #795 avanti

How many times can I agree that it was a tasteless comment. I guess it was supposed to be funny based on Willow getting knocked up, but it was mean spirited IMHO.

And there lies ther problem. Letterman (and you) don't even have the right DAUGHTER. WILLOW (the one that was at the game with Sara) didn;t get pregnant, the OLDER one, BRISTOL did

815 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:38:04am

re: #807 avanti

I have no problem blogging, but firing either Coulter or Letterman for ass hole free speech is different deal. Let them talk, within some pretty wide limits, but expect to be offended on occasion.

So Imus calling some College Girls "Nappy head" is reason for termination but calling for the rape of a minor is not or the rape of anyone? So there is no different standard for Liberals and Liberal Causes? Hum?

816 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:38:09am

re: #806 Occasional Reader

Erm... there was this nasty piece of spew from Rush Limbaugh.

I missed that, thanks.

Rush Limbaugh took this shot: "Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat," said Limbaugh. "Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?" And he held up a picture of Chelsea.

817 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:38:36am

re: #795 avanti

How many times can I agree that it was a tasteless comment. I guess it was supposed to be funny based on Willow getting knocked up, but it was mean spirited IMHO.

Actually, it was funny based on the fact it was about Sarah Palin, who is open season for any kind of tasteless and offensive remark. Remember the comedian who cracked a joke about Sarah Palin being gang raped by big black men?

818 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:38:39am

re: #794 Iron Fist

You are 100% correct. The fact that the MSM is still going after Palin does mean they are truly scared crapless about her coming back in 2012. People on the right need to sit down and seriously look at her as a candidate and not to dismiss her outright. If the Libs fear her so much at this point, what do you think will happen in a year or so when the economy makes moving to Zimbabwe look good?

Folks the LLL's know exactly what they are doing in continuing to bash Palin. They see her as public enemy #1 in 2012.

819 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:38:54am

re: #803 realwest

Hey {J.D.} what are you and O.R. trying to do, shift the focus to the real damage that Obama is doing to this country from attacking a semi-celebrity like Letterman?!
:)



Busted! LOL!

Oh!, btw, I was all over health care earlier....

And David Letterman is a very small man, indeed.

820 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:38:57am

re: #800 realwest

Hey (callahan 23) hello to you! LOL! How are you this fine day?
I'm doing ok, thanks a lot for asking!

I am a little knocked-up due to a tinnitus that has gotten worse this morning for no apparent reason and mainly on one ear. That's left me almost partially deaf. Stupid thing that. (realwest)

Question to all Lizards:
Does anyone know of an effective treatment for tinnitus that is not involving 'natural' healing "crafts"?

821 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:38:58am

re: #814 sattv4u2

And there lies ther problem. Letterman (and you) don't even have the right DAUGHTER. WILLOW (the one that was at the game with Sara) didn;t get pregnant, the OLDER one, BRISTOL did

Sorry, Bristol.

822 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:39:03am

re: #807 avanti

I have no problem blogging, but firing either Coulter or Letterman for ass hole free speech is different deal. Let them talk, within some pretty wide limits, but expect to be offended on occasion.


Avanti, I think O.R. was talking about this blog criticising out-of-bounds behavior on the right "ALL THE @#^�@%(@ TIME", not making out-of-bounds comments.

I'm pretty sure that if you thought this place was 24/7 kookiness, you'd leave. Who wouldn't?

823 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:39:18am

re: #804 Creeping Eruption

I am going to petition the UN for refugee status. The Babylonians exiled my kin, and here I am stuck in a Jewish suburban sub-division in Milwaukee Wisconsin, the land of beer and bratwurst, when I should be in the land of Milk and Honey.

And don't forget the Egyptians... those unpaid wages for pyramid-building duty, with interest... ka-CHING!

824 J.S.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:39:22am

re: #589 Kenneth

btw, have you read/heard anything about that dingbat woman who converted to Islam and went to fight with her brethren in Afghanistan? Khatijia Abul Qahar is her new name...Last I heard the Canadians were going to offer up half a million dollars to get her back...(our taxpayers dollars at work...again.)

825 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:07am

re: #756 JohnnyReb

Had that been under President Bush, they'd lead with the higher overall number, and bury the fact that claims dropped slightly. It's all a matter of emphasis.

re: #774 Kenneth

That kind of spike in the money supply can only lead to bad things. Inflation is only the tip of that iceberg.

re: #754 freetoken

Saw that over there... just put up.

HotAir seems unclear on the concept though... as they try to tie it to the deficit (past, or projected), by adding the graph (of deficits) at the bottom of their entry.

Yet, it should be obvious, that the graphs of yearly % increase in money supply and that of national deficit don't correlate well.

That "spike" is due to the Fed covering the collective asses of the financial system.

I agree that the Laffer spike and the deficit figures aren't covering the same thing, but I think they meant to show the overwhelming nature of the fiscal irresponsibility of the Administration. You don't get those kinds of figures overnight, and yet this Administration has managed to do just that in a matter of months. The increase in the money supply to help unfreeze the credit markets was necessary, but now that the credit markets have come unfrozen, that money remains in the system. That's a bad thing. A real bad thing, and Congress isn't helping matters, since they're pushing to continue the same kinds of policies that led to the credit crunch in the first place - namely affordable housing lending to those who are unable to afford those homes, and programs that prop up home values for existing homeowners, instead of letting them drop to the more affordable values resulting from foreclosures readjusting local markets to actual conditions.

826 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:17am

re: #818 JohnnyReb

You are 100% correct. The fact that the MSM is still going after Palin does mean they are truly scared crapless about her coming back in 2012. People on the right need to sit down and seriously look at her as a candidate and not to dismiss her outright. If the Libs fear her so much at this point, what do you think will happen in a year or so when the economy makes moving to Zimbabwe look good?

Folks the LLL's know exactly what they are doing in continuing to bash Palin. They see her as public enemy #1 in 2012.

I agree 100%, Palin should head up the GOP's ticket in 2012.

827 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:20am

So. Ya think it's all useless? Gone to hell in a handbasket? How's this...

Wounded soldier says he loves army

By Rob Moritz
Arkansas News Bureau

JACKSONVILLE — A soldier who survived a June 1 shooting outside a Little Rock recruiting office in which another died said Tuesday he loves the Army and hopes to someday become a drill sergeant.

U.S. Army Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, spoke at a news conference with his mother at a military recruiting center in his hometown. He said he was shot in the back and grazed on his head and in “my rear.”

“I like defending my country,” he said, adding that his “goal in the military is to become a sergeant and then later on become a drill sergeant.”

There is hope, however faint.

828 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:22am

re: #789 badger1970

Letterman, who is considered mainstream, joked about knocking up a 14-yo and lied about it. And that joke was considered so funny, that it was rehearsed, stated live and never edited out. Sick, sick, sick. CBS didn't use any standards and practices. Who on the right has called for knocking up a kid? Letterman's "joke" is hate speech.

I called Insight cable co. on Tues. to have my service cut off. They will turn it off Fri. I was getting a little apprehensive about it. Not anymore. I wasted an hour of my life last night watching Americas Next Super Model and now this Dave L. thing. I won't miss it at all. I went to the Goodwill and stocked up on books. .50 cents each.

829 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:41am

re: #735 lawhawk Hey lawhawk - good morning - from your link: "If we have to keep paying higher interest rates for the Treasuries, we’re going to see much bigger deficits in the coming years than either the White House or the CBO projected earlier, as our debt service will skyrocket" if you look at the graph underneath, the deficit or rather the debt service on the deficit,by either Obama's standards or the Congressional Budget Office won't be a low as it was under Bush THROUGH 2019. Yeah, let's get some more of that hope and change!
Course in 2019 they'll still be blaming Bush!

830 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:43am

re: #823 Occasional Reader

And don't forget the Egyptians... those unpaid wages for pyramid-building duty, with interest... ka-CHING!

The aliens built the pyramids, everyone knows that.
/

831 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:44am

re: #792 reine.de.tout

Yes. I had problems with FF.

I've had no problems with Firefox. Do you use Noscript? I find that a lot of problems occur due to Flash ads. Turning them off makes FF much more reliable.

832 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:46am

re: #815 Nevergiveup

So Imus calling some College Girls "Nappy head" is reason for termination but calling for the rape of a minor is not or the rape of anyone? So there is no different standard for Liberals and Liberal Causes? Hum?

Show me.

833 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:40:58am

re: #797 razorbacker

Heh.

HVAC guy is looking over the work order and says, "I can't believe that you're getting this unit so cheap. We've been charging a couple of thousand more for this thing."

"How many new residential systems are y'all putting in?"

"Well, not too many lately."

I don't think it's cheap at all. But I guess it's all in how you look at it.

He also said, "I sure hope that this stimulus package kicks in soon, before I go out of business."

May Gaia preserve me.

Bless your heart!

We had to fence in all our HVAC units because they have been getting stolen a lot more in the last year or so.
I hope you got a new one! [Oh, surely...]

834 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:41:04am

re: #811 VegasRick

Imus? (and I have to admit I really don't like Imus)


Come on now. it's not like he called Bristol or Willow a nappy headed ho, now that would be grounds for a suspension./////

Letterman you suck.

835 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:41:13am

re: #814 sattv4u2

It is easy to tell when someone is just blindly defending "their side" without considering the facts. The fact that Avanti'd rather blindly defend Obama than Letterman just shows us where his comfort zone is. His posts end up being nearly identical whatever the topic.

836 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:42:02am

re: #832 haakondahl

Show me.

Having sex with a minor is rape in most states

837 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:42:05am

re: #823 Occasional Reader

And don't forget the Egyptians... those unpaid wages for pyramid-building duty, with interest... ka-CHING!

Yeah I thought about that, but that was pre-homeland days and besides, they did kind of get their asses kicked. Funny how history repeats itself.

838 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:42:09am

re: #742 haakondahl
Absolutely SPOT ON, hawk - glad someone is keeping their eye on the ball here.

839 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:42:39am
840 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:43:00am
841 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:43:13am

re: #832 haakondahl

Show me.

Sex with a 14 year old is statutory rape. See that now?

842 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:43:23am

re: #832 haakondahl

Show me.

Letterman made a reference to Willow Palin (underage,,, at a Yankee game with Sara) getting "knocked up" by Alex Rodriquez

843 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:43:30am

re: #833 J.D.

Yep. New 16 SEER unit, replacing a 9.5 SEER. I could have gotten a 19 SEER unit, but couldn't justify the vastly higher price.

But, if electricity spikes like I fear, I may rue that decision soon.

844 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:43:51am

Letterman should just go back to dropping things off of buildings like fruit and bowling balls into TVs. At least that was entertaining. I haven't found him at all funny in years.

845 turn  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:44:42am

re: #817 Kenneth

Morning all. Hey kenneth, you're a Canadian right? I was reading an article Paglia wrote just now and noticed that she is going to be speaking in Toronto on the 16th. If I had a chance I sure would like to hear her speak. btw, the article is highly critical of the one:

"At the finale, his recitation of soft-focus quotes from the Koran, Talmud and Bible came perilously close to a fuzzy New Age syncretism of "all religions are the same" -- which they unequivocally are not. The problem facing international security is that people who believe something will always be stronger and more committed than people who believe nothing -- which unfortunately describes the complacent passivity of most Western intellectuals these days."

[Link: www.salon.com...]

846 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:45:04am

re: #24 astronmr20

Yup.

I think the Indian inflation rate is around 6.5%, so an 8% deposit rate gives a real return of around 1.5%. Since the deposit is in rupees, the return cannot be precisely compared to a deposit denominated in dollars, unless you convert the rupees in the spot and forward foreign exchange market. If you do this, however, the apparent yield advantage over a dollar deposit with the same institution will effectively disappear as the forward foreign exchange rate (where you sell rupees at the end of 1 year and receive dollars) is such that it builds in the interest rate difference and works against you. This means that you have to pay more rupees in the future to get 1 dollar than would be the case today. If you don't convert to dollars, and yet you remain dollar-based as far as your assets are concerned, you have an open position in the currency, and your final return in dollars could be very much higher or lower than the equivalent conventional dollar deposit.

847 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:45:10am

re: #827 razorbacker

So. Ya think it's all useless? Gone to hell in a handbasket? How's this...

Wounded soldier says he loves army


There is hope, however faint.

Great link, thanks.

I imagine those on the left responding to this great young man's professed aspirations kind of like the androids from "I, Mudd" responded to Captain Kirk telling them "I always lie". Circuits fry, system shuts down...

848 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:45:10am

re: #832 haakondahl

Show me.

Look, Letterman's joke was over the top, but I did not think he "Called for the rape of a minor" until I saw the blog spin.

849 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:45:25am

re: #842 sattv4u2

Letterman made a reference to Willow Palin (underage,,, at a Yankee game with Sara) getting "knocked up" by Alex Rodriquez

And that douchbag Letterman apparnetluy doens't know A-Rod likes skinny older women?

850 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:46:16am

re: #848 avanti

Look, Letterman's joke was over the top, but I did not think he "Called for the rape of a minor" until I saw the blog spin.

It isn't SPIN. Having sex with a minor is RAPE.

851 justabill  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:46:22am

So, is this better or worse than Sterns "nappy headed ho" comment that he lost his job for?

852 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:46:41am

re: #851 justabill

So, is this better or worse than Sterns "nappy headed ho" comment that he lost his job for?

Imus

853 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:46:42am

re: #756 JohnnyReb
Hey JohnnyReb "If people truly understood the implications of that chart there would be panic and mobs marching on DC." Oh they get the general gist of it ok, that's why (despite naysayers here to the contrary) the Tea Parties are only gonna grow and grow.People viscerally understand how economics works as it applies to them - hell that was one of the big knocks on Bush - he spent like a drunken sailor, remember - $400 BILLION dollar deficit (while fighting two wars and STILL providing housing and other assistance for the victims of Katrina).

854 Sheepdogess  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:47:07am

David Letterman is an angry, jealous, foolish, classless man.

He's been married less than three months. His child is six years old.

David Letterman is the ultimate hypocrite.

David and Regina were married at 3:00 pm on March 19, 2009 at the Teton County Courthouse in Choteau, Montana. Their son Harry was with them during the wedding ceremony.

He's a bad man and the people who laugh at his sick jokes are just as bad.
I find there is little worth watching on TV these days.

855 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:47:18am

re: #837 Creeping Eruption

Yeah I thought about that, but that was pre-homeland days and besides, they did kind of get their asses kicked. Funny how history repeats itself.

Still, I think it would be hilarious if Israel were to throw a "reparations!" claim against the Arabs into this whole thing. I mean, why the hell not?

856 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:47:19am
857 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:47:34am

re: #829 realwest

All of the Administration's budget projections are blown because the unemployment figures are far higher than they ever expected, and 10% is just around the corner. They were already figuring on 8.8%, and the gap compounds the job losses with lost revenues against the unemployment benefits and other government programs to ease unemployment. Higher costs go to the deficit figure, and they're going to blow through those projections.

Also, note that the chart you're referring to is the annual deficit, not the cumulative deficit, which is also following the Laffer Spike.

858 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:47:42am

Bolton opinion piece in WSJ: What if Israel strikes Iran?

859 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:47:47am

re: #851 justabill

So, is this better or worse than Sterns DON IMUS" nappy headed ho" comment that he lost his job for?


and btw ,, Stern has said MUCH worse

860 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:48:06am

I just got this in my E-Mail.

I Just reeived a call from Rev. Dr. Maxwell Shargan the Exeutive Manager Of Fedex Express Company Benin that the ( $ 2.5million USD ) cash payment compensation which I sent to is returned back due to wrong address provided to them, They need the reconfirmation of the below informations: Your Name, Address, Phone #, Occupation, Age and $185 Security Keeping Fee.

I'm gonna be rich

861 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:48:22am

re: #762 {Miss Trixie} Hey gorgeous *smoooches* back to you! Back pain is better thanks!
Hope you're doing well?!

862 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:48:41am

re: #824 J.S.

Beverly Giesbrecht / Khadija Abdul Qahaar went to Pakistan to interview Jihadis for Al Jazeera and for her pro- Al Qaeda website Jihad Unspun. I haven't heard any news about her status since March.

863 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:48:50am

re: #836 Nevergiveup

Having sex with a minor is rape in most states

Don't get all slippery with me--you're not as smart as you are angry. You said "called for". Nobody has "called for" the rape of anybody. I have no doubt that you understood perfectly well which part of "called for the rape" I wanted you to show me, and your smarmy, dissumulating response marks you as a child and a liar.
Or perhaps you are a mature, truthful adult who for some reason thinks that I need to be lectured on the definition of rape.
Either way, you're a piece of work, and I guess we're done here.

864 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:48:51am

re: #852 Nevergiveup

Imus

And he's back on the radio. I have tried to listen to his station when I walk to work, but I find it to be extremely dull.

865 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:49:01am

re: #807 avanti

I have no problem blogging, but firing either Coulter or Letterman for ass hole free speech is different deal. Let them talk, within some pretty wide limits, but expect to be offended on occasion.

Do you think that Imus got a bad deal?

866 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:49:10am

re: #860 Nevergiveup

Actually, given inflation and the current deficit, that amount will be worth $1.25 by the time you collect. In other words, you wont even have enough money for a subway ride in NYC. /

867 justabill  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:49:16am

re: #852 Nevergiveup

Imus

Doh! my bad, thanks for the correct.

868 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:49:30am

re: #860 Nevergiveup

I just got this in my E-Mail.

I Just reeived a call from Rev. Dr. Maxwell Shargan the Exeutive Manager Of Fedex Express Company Benin that the ( $ 2.5million USD ) cash payment compensation which I sent to is returned back due to wrong address provided to them, They need the reconfirmation of the below informations: Your Name, Address, Phone #, Occupation, Age and $185 Security Keeping Fee.

I'm gonna be rich

Please don't move to nigeria, we will miss you.

869 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:49:43am

re: #855 Occasional Reader

Still, I think it would be hilarious if Israel were to throw a "reparations!" claim against the Arabs into this whole thing. I mean, why the hell not?

I thought I read somewhere that there was a group trying to figure out that very issue. I could be wrong. Its is legitimate. Hell, Israels detractors have been turning her arguments against her for years, why not employ they same tactics. Make Jewish reparations or a return to the homeland priority one. It will be hilarious watching the arabs and the libs deal with that one.

870 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:50:02am
871 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:50:03am

re: #863 haakondahl

Don't get all slippery with me--you're not as smart as you are angry. You said "called for". Nobody has "called for" the rape of anybody. I have no doubt that you understood perfectly well which part of "called for the rape" I wanted you to show me, and your smarmy, dissumulating response marks you as a child and a liar.
Or perhaps you are a mature, truthful adult who for some reason thinks that I need to be lectured on the definition of rape.
Either way, you're a piece of work, and I guess we're done here.

Oh by the way fuck you and the horse you rode in on. And anytime you want to discuss it further, look me up.

872 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:50:25am

re: #850 Nevergiveup

It isn't SPIN. Having sex with a minor is RAPE.

I thought he was referring to the older daughter that had been knocked up when I watched the show. I don't think a joke about child rape would have been funny, and I missed that inference.

873 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:50:28am

re: #773 3 wood
Wish I could give you a hundred updings for that one!

874 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:50:54am

re: #868 VegasRick

Please don't move to nigeria, we will miss you.

Apparently this guy haakondahl will not.

875 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:50:55am

re: #831 Kosh's Shadow

I've had no problems with Firefox. Do you use Noscript? I find that a lot of problems occur due to Flash ads. Turning them off makes FF much more reliable.

I have no clue what "noscript" is. anyhow, I've changed to chrome and have had no problems.

876 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:51:07am

Good morning, Lizards. I just want to give Charles some heart-felt appreciation for using this excellent quote from Thomas Wolfe to lead off the thread. I know I've said it before, but Wolfe is a brilliant and underappreciated writer who should be much more widely read than he is today.

877 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:51:45am
878 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:52:09am

Lecherous
Enfeebled
TV
Talker
Enjoyed
Ridiculing
Minor,
Absolutely
Nasty

879 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:52:10am

re: #874 Nevergiveup

Apparently this guy haakondahl will not.

I updinged your response to him, and I'm still laughing.

880 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:52:25am

re: #876 doppelganglander

Good morning, Lizards. I just want to give Charles some heart-felt appreciation for using this excellent quote from Thomas Wolfe to lead off the thread. I know I've said it before, but Wolfe is a brilliant and underappreciated writer who should be much more widely read than he is today.

/Don't know it I agree. With Wolfe, I always got the impression that there was more bark than bite.

881 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:52:31am

re: #863 haakondahl

Letterman posited that perhaps Willow Palin (minor) would get knocked up by Alex Rodriquez while Willow and Sara attended a New York Yankeses game

no slip, no anger!

882 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:52:57am

re: #781 Occasional Reader
Hey now O.R., c'mon - the fact that LGF is an equal opportunity critic of politicians in general shouldn't be raised or you'll confuse him something fierce. He really thought he found himself a "moderate moonbat" site.

883 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:53:20am

re: #879 VegasRick

I updinged your response to him, and I'm still laughing.

It's a good thing we are all on a blog and not sitting in a room or a Bar or things might get interesting sometimes.

884 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:53:23am

re: #865 opnion

Do you think that Imus got a bad deal?

I do, because while his comment was tasteless, I don't think he intended it to be. A heartfelt apology for a stupid comment would have satisfied me.

885 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #860 Nevergiveup

I just got this in my E-Mail.

I Just reeived a call from Rev. Dr. Maxwell Shargan the Exeutive Manager Of Fedex Express Company Benin that the ( $ 2.5million USD ) cash payment compensation which I sent to is returned back due to wrong address provided to them, They need the reconfirmation of the below informations: Your Name, Address, Phone #, Occupation, Age and $185 Security Keeping Fee.

I'm gonna be rich

I love the name. You have to give these guys a few points for ingenuity.

There's an episode of the NPR radio show "This American Life" about a bunch of American guys who decided to turn the tables on the Nigerian e-mail scam artists. It's pretty grimly hilarious; they convinced one of them that their church was all ready to wire a big cash donation... but that the wire had inadvertently gone to a Western Union office in (IIRC) Somalia. They got the Nigerian scam artist to actually travel to a war zone in Somalia, and wait there for weeks, for a non-existent wire transfer.

886 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:54:25am

Let us pretend that you, too, are a United States Senator popularly known as 'Blank Stare Lincoln'. Let us then pretend that you see this...

Keep an Eye on the Tom Cotton Fellow

Everybody wants to be your senator! One name floated frequently as a potential candidate in recent months has been that of Thomas Cotton, a Yell County native and Harvard-educated lawyer who resigned his job with a D.C. law firm after 9/11 to enlist in the military. Right now he’s on active duty, but is expected to return home to Arkansas this summer.

Sources close to Cotton say that he’s taking a harder look at the 2010 Senate race and considering a challenge to Democratic Sen. Blanche Lincoln as a Republican.

Does the name Tom Cotton sound familiar to you? I mean, other than as Sam Gamgee's daddy, that is? You may have read his letter to the NYTimes after the Times released data on following Jihawdee funding.

Go to Snopes.com and search for verification.

I am willing to temprarily suspend my distrust of Harvard, and lawyers.

Faster, please.

887 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:54:26am

re: #869 Creeping Eruption

I thought I read somewhere that there was a group trying to figure out that very issue.

See Justice for Jews from Arab Countries

888 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:54:53am

re: #883 Nevergiveup

It's a good thing we are all on a blog and not sitting in a room or a Bar or things might get interesting sometimes.

Maybe we could all get together once a year or so.
/

889 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:55:13am

re: #881 sattv4u2

Letterman posited that perhaps Willow Palin (minor) would get knocked up by Alex Rodriquez while Willow and Sara attended a New York Yankeses game

no slip, no anger!

I missed the mention of Willows name, that would change things a lot.

890 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:55:21am

re: #790 Kenneth
Hey my back (and front - same general area lower abdomen and lower back) are better, thanks, and I'm very pleased that the Australian deal didn't get off the ground, so to speak!
Great news my friend.

891 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:55:39am

re: #872 avanti

I thought he was referring to the older daughter that had been knocked up when I watched the show. I don't think a joke about child rape would have been funny, and I missed that inference.

Do you have to work at achieving that level of obtuseness or does it come pre-installed with your liberal brain?

And, they had a wonderful time. The toughest part of her visit was keeping Elliot Spitzer away from her daughter. That was tough.

One awkward moment during the game. Maybe you heard about it. Maybe you saw it on one of the highlight reels. One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game. During the 7th inning her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.

Read the highlighted bits, please. Can't you see that it's not an "inference" but two overt jokes about raping a child?

892 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:55:39am

re: #887 John Neverbend

Thanks. That must have been it.

893 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:55:43am

re: #869 Creeping Eruption

I thought I read somewhere that there was a group trying to figure out that very issue. I could be wrong. Its is legitimate. Hell, Israels detractors have been turning her arguments against her for years, why not employ they same tactics. Make Jewish reparations or a return to the homeland priority one. It will be hilarious watching the arabs and the libs deal with that one.

Actually, UN resolution 194 (I believe) calls for repatriation or reparations for all refugees.
Israel should make clear that any reparations to Arab "refugees" will be on the same basis as reparations the Arab countries make to Jews that they expelled.

894 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:55:53am

Debbie Schlussel, with her twisted logic, has managed to link the museum shooting to Islam.

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

895 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:55:57am

re: #888 VegasRick

Maybe we could all get together once a year or so.
/

Weapons to be checked at the door.

896 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:56:03am

re: #863 haakondahl

re: #881 sattv4u2

Letterman posited that perhaps Willow Palin (minor) would get knocked up by Alex Rodriquez while Willow and Sara attended a New York Yankeses game

no slip, no anger!


AND no condescension nor smarmy tone!

897 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:56:08am

re: #874 Nevergiveup

Apparently this guy haakondahl will not.

He's just jealous of your new found wealth. Can I borrow $20 bucks?

898 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:56:33am

re: #848 avanti

Look, Letterman's joke was over the top, but I did not think he "Called for the rape of a minor" until I saw the blog spin.

Avanti, Letterman talked about a 14 year old having sex with a grown man.
That is statutory rape that he was talking about.

899 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:56:52am

re: #841 VegasRick

Sex with a 14 year old is statutory rape. See that now?

re: #842 sattv4u2

Letterman made a reference to Willow Palin (underage,,, at a Yankee game with Sara) getting "knocked up" by Alex Rodriquez


re: #850 Nevergiveup

It isn't SPIN. Having sex with a minor is RAPE.

If any of you blockheads ever want to win an election again, pull your heads out of your asses. Do you know how pissed off I am that you are so wrong that I now have to DEFEND Letterman from your intentional "misunderstanding" of what he said?
And that in order to maintain that facade of misunderstanding, it is necessary to intentionally misunderstand what I said? And what Avanti said?
This is pathetic!
Letterman should shut up, go away, no longer draw revenue, apologize, be cancelled, all of the above, for his tacky, abusive and un-funny joke at the expense of a little girl.
But you lose the fucking argument when you start LYING about what he said. He didn't "CALL FOR" anything! There's a huge fucking difference.

900 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:56:54am

{Kenneth} Morning, big guy. :D

You'll be happy to know that I'll be a free WHOA-man before the end of the summer partly in thanks to our mutual acquaintance F.A. While he has pretty much cleaned out most of my savings (as most lawyerly types do, grrrrrrrr), there's light at the end of the tunnel and I will have shed 180lbs of cruelty, all in the smelly form of francophone merde.

His little franco-skank can have him too - after all, she's been doing him during our marriage so what's the diff?

Light at the end of the tunnel! Yes! :D

901 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:56:59am

re: #893 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, UN resolution 194 (I believe) calls for repatriation or reparations for all refugees.
Israel should make clear that any reparations to Arab "refugees" will be on the same basis as reparations the Arab countries make to Jews that they expelled.

But don't they specifically define refugees. I am sure this Yid does not qualify.

902 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:56:59am

re: #888 VegasRick

Maybe we could all get together once a year or so.
/

I'm up for it. I got nothing to hide.

903 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:57:25am

re: #889 avanti

I missed the mention of Willows name, that would change things a lot.

No name. Letterman said (paraphrase) "Sara and her daughter were at the Yankees game". He either ignored or was ignorant of the fact that it was Willow, not Bristol

904 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:58:18am

re: #860 Nevergiveup

I just got this in my E-Mail.

I Just reeived a call from Rev. Dr. Maxwell Shargan the Exeutive Manager Of Fedex Express Company Benin that the ( $ 2.5million USD ) cash payment compensation which I sent to is returned back due to wrong address provided to them, They need the reconfirmation of the below informations: Your Name, Address, Phone #, Occupation, Age and $185 Security Keeping Fee.

I'm gonna be rich

Whoa wait, I already complied about a week ago.
It's all mine.

905 J.S.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:58:18am

re: #862 Kenneth

Well, I just hope the Canadian government never pays the ransom...I think there should be clear policy guidelines for all these wanna-be jihadis -- you go there, you get kidnapped, tough sh*t... you're on your own. Paying out ransom demands simply encourages more of the same (especially when I suspect the wannabe jihadi is in cahoots with the so-called 'kidnappers.")

906 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:58:46am

re: #875 reine.de.tout

I have no clue what "noscript" is. anyhow, I've changed to chrome and have had no problems.

Noscript is a Firefox add-on that lets you control what scripts get run. It is a pain at first, because many web sites don't work until you enable scripts, but it protects you because malicious scripts can be blocked, and the annoying Flash ads can be stopped.
I've had Safari and IE both crash consistently in Flash, but not Firefox.

907 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:58:55am

/Can't we just burn Letterman in effigy and move on?

908 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:59:01am

re: #897 KenJen

He's just jealous of your new found wealth. Can I borrow $20 bucks?

Absolutely, just send me $10.50 to cover the wire transfer. And your bank account number of course?
/

909 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:59:36am

re: #886 razorbacker

I am willing to temprarily suspend my distrust of Harvard, and lawyers.

[ahem]

At the fancy NYC law firm where I used to work, we had in our employ (over a span of time, not necessarily all at once) lawyers who had been Special Forces, Rangers, tank commanders, and USAF Special Operations pilots. Off the top of my head.

(We have ex-military where I currently work, too, but I'd prefer not to go into it, out of concern for anonymity, etc.)

I'm not saying they were typical, but they were there.

Beware the broad brush.

910 justabill  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:59:38am

Was the younger Palin daughter mentioned by Letterman by name? I know she was the only daughter at the game, so its very bad either way.

911 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:59:44am

re: #902 Nevergiveup

I'm up for it. I got nothing to hide.

An LGFcomm, neat idea.

912 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:59:47am

re: #810 Occasional Reader
He held up a photo of Chelsea on the radio?! What?!

913 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:00:14am

re: #899 haakondahl

If any of you blockheads ever want to win an election again, pull your heads out of your asses. Do you know how pissed off I am that you are so wrong that I now have to DEFEND Letterman from your intentional "misunderstanding" of what he said?
And that in order to maintain that facade of misunderstanding, it is necessary to intentionally misunderstand what I said? And what Avanti said?
This is pathetic!
Letterman should shut up, go away, no longer draw revenue, apologize, be cancelled, all of the above, for his tacky, abusive and un-funny joke at the expense of a little girl.
But you lose the fucking argument when you start LYING about what he said. He didn't "CALL FOR" anything! There's a huge fucking difference.

WTF are you talking about? Winning elections?

914 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:00:16am

re: #900 Miss Trixie

Congratulations. I was wondering how all that was coming along. I'm sorry it has been so long and trying. Just remember: you will be free & clear of this creep, while he will always be a creep.

I hope you plan to celebrate!

915 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:00:19am

re: #895 Creeping Eruption

Weapons to be checked at the door.

Are you kidding?! At the best LGF meetups, weapons are provided.

916 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:00:28am

re: #899 haakondahl

Please show me EXACTLY where I said that Letterman 'called for" rape. Either show me or apologize

917 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:00:37am

re: #899 haakondahl

Name calling, anger, and curse words. I see why your a Letterman fan.

918 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:01:02am

re: #910 justabill

Was the younger Palin daughter mentioned by Letterman by name? I know she was the only daughter at the game, so its very bad either way.

no.

919 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:01:06am

re: #912 realwest
And btw, O.R., there was a huge difference in holding up Chelsea's photo of a dog and wishing her to be forced to have sex and get knocked up, doncha think?

920 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:01:15am
921 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:01:26am

re: #897 KenJen

He's just jealous of your new found wealth. Can I borrow $20 bucks?

How to sell a $20 note for $200
...for good measure.

922 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:01:33am

re: #901 Creeping Eruption

But don't they specifically define refugees. I am sure this Yid does not qualify.

Right, unless you were expelled from an Arab country after 1947 (in the secular calendar, not in the Hebrew calendar)

923 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:02:09am

re: #827 razorbacker

So. Ya think it's all useless? Gone to hell in a handbasket? How's this...

Wounded soldier says he loves army

There is hope, however faint.

From your link:

Ezeagwula’s mother, Sonja, who sat next to her son during the news conference, said she had “no bitter feelings” toward Muhammad.

“I just pray justice be served,” she said.

She said she had nothing but admiration for Long and his family.

“The Long family, they are superb people, some extra special people,” she said.

She also said the shooting has changed her perspective on life.

“We look at grass in a different way. We eat cereal in a different way. We use to eat cornflakes and now we eat Lucky Charms,” she said.

I think I know what she's saying, but the way she said it cracks me up.

924 justabill  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:02:41am

Thanks sattv4u2, got my answer to #910 before it posted...

925 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:02:42am

re: #836 Nevergiveup

Having sex with a minor is rape in most states

Anyone who jokes about having sex with a miner deserves to get the shaft.

926 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:03:14am

Carter keeps forgetting he is no longer in charge of foreign affairs for the United States: Carter: No peace without Hamas

From the article:

He spoke to reporters after meeting Syrian President Bashar Assad and ahead of talks with exiled Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal in Damascus. It will to be Carter's third meeting with Mashaal in the past year.
* * *
Carter's trip to Syria comes just days before US President Barack Obama's special Mideast envoy George Mitchell is to visit Damascus.

927 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:03:16am

re: #903 sattv4u2

No name. Letterman said (paraphrase) "Sara and her daughter were at the Yankees game". He either ignored or was ignorant of the fact that it was Willow, not Bristol

OK, I thought he was referring to the older one, since she was the one knocked up. Had he have named Wllow, the joke would not have made sense.

928 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:03:19am

re: #920 Iron Fist

..and now for the live version of "Bomber" off No sleep 'til Hammersmith!

929 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:03:25am

re: #818 JohnnyReb
Oh now, JohnnyReb, be realistic - The Dems proved that a Woman would never even get the nomination, much less get elected.
Course the Republican's are different so there is that little glimmer of hope and change!

930 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:03:27am

This is interesting. I'm guessing someone has already posted this, but for those of us who missed it:

Holocaust Museum shooter von Brunn a 9/11 'truther' who hated 'neo-cons', Bush, McCain

931 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:03:35am

re: #916 sattv4u2

Please show me EXACTLY where I said that Letterman 'called for" rape. Either show me or apologize

He is talking about me. I said he called for the rape when he called for A-Rod to have sex with an underage female.

932 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:03:58am

re: #910 justabill


I don't think he mentioned her by name. But whether it was Bristol or Willow Palin that he was referring to it was in poor taste. And the fact that Letterman issued such a phony apology shows that he doesn't care if it was in poor taste. The jokes about Gov Palin can be somewhat justified, but not ones about any family members. What would Letterman or the MSM have to say if Todd Palin made a crude joke or remark about Harry Letterman?

933 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:04:04am

re: #909 Occasional Reader

[ahem]

Beware the broad brush.

It is a broad brush. Every one gets splattered.

934 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:04:20am

re: #919 realwest

And btw, O.R., there was a huge difference in holding up Chelsea's photo of a dog and wishing her to be forced to have sex and get knocked up, doncha think?

IF had asked when anyone on the right had slammed a child associated with the left; I recalled that incident. It was one of Limbaugh's worse moments. She was just a kid.

I am not saying it is the same thing as the Letterman "joke", but it's in the same category; taking out your partisan hatred on your political opponent's children. A thing to be devoutly avoided on ALL sides, in a civilized society.

935 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:04:38am

re: #927 avanti

OK, I thought he was referring to the older one, since she was the one knocked up. Had he have named Wllow, the joke would not have made sense.

Willow was at the game. Letterman was referring to Sara and her daughter at the game

936 rightside  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:04:43am

re: #925 Spare O'Lake

Anyone who jokes about having sex with a miner deserves to get the shaft.

I just got that...wow, good one.

937 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:12am

re: #884 avanti

I do, because while his comment was tasteless, I don't think he intended it to be. A heartfelt apology for a stupid comment would have satisfied me.

Sounds fair. I am not an Imus fan, but I think that he was just trying to be edgy & figured nobody would take hom for a racist.
It was really annoying that a grifter like Sharpton took up the cause.

938 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:18am

re: #925 Spare O'Lake

Anyone who jokes about having sex with a miner deserves to get the shaft.

I can dig it.

939 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:27am

Letter from Lt. serving in Iraq critical of NYTimes. Status=true

940 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:29am

re: #868 VegasRick

Please don't move to nigeria, we will miss you.

Morning! Have you seen this? It's hysterical! :D

941 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:37am

re: #850 Nevergiveup

It isn't SPIN. Having sex with a minor is RAPE.

i'm just wondering how A - Rod feels being singled out and called a child rapist.
unfcking believable.
letterman is hideous.

942 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:45am

re: #937 opnion

Sounds fair. I am not an Imus fan, but I think that he was just trying to be edgy & figured nobody would take hom for a racist.
It was really annoying that a grifter like Sharpton took up the cause.

But what else does Sharpy Sharpton have to do?

943 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:46am

re: #820 callahan23
Other than going to an ear doctor, no I don't. But I will say that a good friend's Mom was getting progessively deaf until they took her to an ear doctor who proceeded to flush out a ton - well, at least a lot - of ear wax.
Just suggesting you go see a medical professional about that ear.
Seriously.

944 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:59am

re: #920 Iron Fist

even if it did allow them to be more insulting and disrespectful than they would be in a meat-world, face to face confrontation.

Coincidentally, Taranto had some thoughts on that phenomenon in yesterday's "Best of the Web" column. You may want to check it out.

945 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:06:55am

re: #935 sattv4u2

Willow was at the game. Letterman was referring to Sara and her daughter at the game

haakondahl and Avanti sittin in a tree
S-P-I-N-N-I-N-G!

946 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:07:02am

/Oh this will surely help the crappy state of affairs in which we currently find ourselves:

WHO to declare swine-flu pandemic

947 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:07:06am

re: #941 nyc redneck

i'm just wondering how A - Rod feels being singled out and called a child rapist.
unfcking believable.
letterman is hideous.

Good point. And as I said further up the thread, A-Rod seems to be into skinny older women-read Madonna?

948 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:07:08am

re: #941 nyc redneck


A-Rod will probably get a more sincere apology from Letterman.

949 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:07:08am

re: #926 Creeping Eruption

Carter keeps forgetting he is no longer in charge of foreign affairs for the United States: Carter: No peace without Hamas

Carter creeps my out big time with his 'influence' he still has.

950 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:07:38am

re: #945 VegasRick

haakondahl and Avanti sittin in a tree
S-P-I-N-N-I-N-G!

Watch out he might threaten and insult you also?
/

951 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:07:43am

re: #861 realwest

Hey gorgeous *smoooches* back to you! Back pain is better thanks!
Hope you're doing well?!

Things are definately looking up but I still take it one day at a time for my own sanity. :D

952 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:08:22am

re: #881 sattv4u2

Letterman posited that perhaps Willow Palin (minor) would get knocked up by Alex Rodriquez while Willow and Sara attended a New York Yankeses game

A) Even if that were true, that is not "calling for" anything, but it would be pretty damned sketchy.

B) His "joke" is about the past. Events which "happened" in his alternate and unfunny universe.

These are both minor points, but even splitting the difference as you have, it still does not constitute "calling for" anything.
If he had "called for" the rape of a minor, he would already be in jail.

Even that miserable fellow who wrote that hateful rape column for playboy did not actually "call for" anything. He's still a POS.

Is anybody here actually unclear as to why I keyed on the "called for" that Nevergiveup came up with?

Look. Here's a joke that isn't funny, and it isn't hateful or mean-spirited: Did you hear that Nevergive up moved to Nigeria?

Nowhere in that did I "call for" him to move to Nigeria. I wouldn't want him to. Now, however, you can all start to criticise me for "calling for the movement of a blog-commenter", if you wish be consistent with your earlier "understanding" and to maintain the appearance of genuine outrage at a conventiently manufactured version of events.

953 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:09:12am

re: #949 callahan23

Carter creeps my out big time with his 'influence' he still has.

I wish he would just renounce his US citizenship already. Why this drawn-out divorce from the country he used to lead ("lead" being used loosely here)?

954 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:09:27am
955 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:09:29am

re: #940 Miss Trixie

Morning! Have you seen this? It's hysterical! :D

That is funny!

956 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:09:42am

re: #952 haakondahl

FUCK YOU,, SHOW me where I stated Letterman CALLED FOR the rape, as you accused me of

957 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:09:50am

re: #943 realwest

I'll do as soon as I can get an appointment. Thanks.
Apart from that I am just jolly fine. (Just sayin') ;-)

958 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:10:00am

re: #827 razorbacker

So. Ya think it's all useless? Gone to hell in a handbasket? How's this...

Wounded soldier says he loves army
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for that post and link.

There is hope, however faint.

959 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:10:43am

re: #950 Nevergiveup

Watch out he might threaten and insult you also?
/

Oooooohhhhh nooooooooo!

960 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:11:18am

re: #927 avanti

OK, I thought he was referring to the older one, since she was the one knocked up. Had he have named Wllow, the joke would not have made sense.

Yeah it would have. Letterman & his people had to know which daughter was at the game, this was a rehearsed joke.
He was trying to smear the Palins as white trash. Look at his comment referring to Sarah Palin, looking like a slutty stewardess.
If these jokes were at the expense of the Onamas , you know that Letterman would be in serious trouble. But hey, it was at the expense of an innocent 14 year old girl, whose mother Letterman doesn't like, so no big deal.

961 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:11:41am

re: #857 lawhawk
Thanks for pointing that out lawhawk, but they're still gonna be blaming Bush in 2019.

962 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:11:46am

No Divine Victory for Hezbollah

Lebanese voters went to the polls on Sunday and gave Hezbollah an unexpected shellacking. The anti-Syrian “March 14” coalition led by Saad Hariri’s Future Movement won 71 seats in the parliament. The Hezbollah-led “March 8” bloc won 57. Hezbollah itself only has ten seats in Beirut out of 128.

Most observers and analysts were surprised by the March 14 victory, but I could never figure out where Hezbollah’s additional support was supposedly coming from. Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah strapped a suicide bomb vest around his own country when he picked a fight with Israel in 2006. Mounting an armed assault against the capital, as he did last May, was no way to win the hearts and minds of new voters. Until recently, I was certain Hezbollah and its allies had no chance of winning, but they grew so sure of their own propaganda that they managed to persuade even their enemies that they might come out on top. The March 14 side was rattled, and some of their analysts convinced even me that Hezbollah might pull it off. But Hezbollah lost, and Nasrallah conceded.

963 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:12:37am

re: #820 callahan23

I am a little knocked-up due to a tinnitus that has gotten worse this morning for no apparent reason and mainly on one ear. That's left me almost partially deaf. Stupid thing that. (realwest)

Question to all Lizards:
Does anyone know of an effective treatment for tinnitus that is not involving 'natural' healing "crafts"?

First off, I concur with realwest: You should see an ENT doc if you haven't already.

Second; I've had tinnitus for years, and use something called Tinnitus Relief Formula, by a company called Arches. It seems to provide some relief. Yes, you might call it an "herbal" remedy... active ingredient is gingko biloba... but it does apparently have some clinical studies to back it up, and it was recommended by my ENT doc.

I also recently picked up some drops called "Ring Relief", but haven't tried them yet. They appear to be "homeopathetic", which I consider to be bogus, but I may give it a try, what the heck.

First, though, see the doc. Realwest is dead on, this could be something as simple as getting your ear flushed out.

964 justabill  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:12:45am

re: #954 Iron Fist

I've been to several LGF related parties. They've been lot of fun. I've met a lot if interesting people. The venues have been everything from classy up-scale resturants (the kind of places I don't ever go to) to tent villiages in people's back yard, and I've had a blast. We've not done that kind of thing in years. Geepers isn't posting as frequently, and some of the other posters that were arranging such things have moved on.

Money's too tight for me to travel like I was doing a few years ago (4-5 years ago. It has really been too long). Me and the Girlfriend were going to try and get something together in northern Virginia (lots of cool lizards in the DC area), but life intervened.

If there ever is a get together in VA, consider this me fishing for an invite. I live in the Hampton Roads area. (actually Smithfield, for all you ham lovers...)

965 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:13:46am

re: #914 Kenneth

Congratulations. I was wondering how all that was coming along. I'm sorry it has been so long and trying. Just remember: you will be free & clear of this creep, while he will always be a creep.

I hope you plan to celebrate!

I will - haven't made any concrete plans yet but I'm very creative.

BTW - I haven't seen WriterMom here in a long time. Did she zoom off to Israel to visit again?

966 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:15:02am

Full disclosure:

The fellow that enabled me to marry my girlfriend was a lawyer.

The gentleman who gave my name and vitals to the Rockefeller Foundation and thus enabled me to get a college education was a lawyer.

My much beloved godson is a lawyer, and also a budding politician.

I guess it just depends on whose ox is being gored.

967 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:15:30am

re: #942 Nevergiveup

But what else does Sharpy Sharpton have to do?

A proud tradition as a Community Organizer.

968 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:16:09am

re: #960 opnion

Yup. His implication was clear and the crappy joke depended on the implication.
Mom wears "slutty" make-up and the 14 year-old has sex with professional ballplayers. Real classy, Dave.

969 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:16:45am

re: #907 Creeping Eruption

/Can't we just burn Letterman in effigy and move on?

I note that an anagram of his name is "ratted devil man".

970 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:17:01am

re: #895 Creeping Eruption

Weapons to be checked at the door.

LOL! If we all got together once a year, that'd be the max number of times we could do it - would take at least a year for quite a few posters to heal get over it!

971 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:17:22am

Lefty academic whines about Obama Telling the Lebanese How to Vote

In recent visits to Lebanon, both Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made clear that the United States would react negatively if the March 8th Alliance -- a broad coalition of Islamist, Maronite, leftist, nationalist, and pan-Arabist parties -- won the upcoming parliamentary elections. These not-so-subtle threats have led to charges of U.S. interference in Lebanon's domestic affairs. What prompts U.S. concerns is that the largest member of this coalition is Hezbollah, the populist Shiite party which the United States considers to be a terrorist organization.

As senators, both Biden and Clinton insisted that this diverse coalition was somehow controlled by Iran and/or Syria. In reality, there is little evidence to suggest that Syrian and Iranian influence on the populist Shia party and its allies is any greater than U.S. influence on some of Lebanon's other political factions.

Behold the leftist academic mind at work. He denies Hezbollah is controlled by Iran and he does this by implying other Lebanese parties are "influenced" by the US, which is naturally much worse.

972 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:17:25am

re: #926 Creeping Eruption

Carter keeps visiting Syria and not getting the point. Syria and Israel have a peace of sorts.

Israel has the Golan, and Syria doesn't. There hasn't been a war there since 1973 (or 1982 if you count Syria's involvement in the Lebanese wars). Syria has repeatedly provided aid and comfort to Hamas and Hizbullah, and if Syria withdrew that support, they could have peace with Israel, but they choose to continue their proxy war.

There is no need for Israel to return the Golan to Syria. The fact that there's a de-facto peace on the Golan is evidence enough. Israel isn't the one who was lobbing rockets and missiles into Syria for years; it was Syria who carried out such attacks on Israel for years.

973 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:18:12am

THis morning's Towercam, San Gabriel MOuntains of California, Pacific time zone.

Nature break.


BBL

974 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:18:18am

re: #880 Creeping Eruption

/Don't know it I agree. With Wolfe, I always got the impression that there was more bark than bite.

If you're looking for plot, he's not your man. If you like lush, descriptive writing and great character observations, he's fantastic. The first time I went to Asheville, I was almost surprised not to find it as it was in the 1910s, because his writing is so powerful. The two later books are not as good, though. They were cobbled together after his death by an unsympathetic editor. They're almost retreads of the first two books, but not as good, except for the sections involving his life in New York.

975 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:18:33am
976 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:18:52am

re: #952 haakondahl

letterman may not have technically "called for" rape.
he did worse, he said she WAS raped. a young girl knocked up by a major league
famous ball player during a baseball game.
how calloused and sick. this is what the perverse bastard letterman announces on national t.v. child rape. it is beyond the pale.

977 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:18:53am

re: #965 Miss Trixie

WriterMom has decided to focus on some personal priorities for a while.

978 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:19:00am

re: #970 realwest

LOL! If we all got together once a year, that'd be the max number of times we could do it - would take at least a year for quite a few posters to heal get over it!

I never forget

979 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:19:09am

re: #969 John Neverbend

I note that an anagram of his name is "ratted devil man".

Does "Dumbass stupid jerkoff" work?

980 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:19:33am
981 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:19:35am

re: #968 lincolntf

Yup. His implication was clear and the crappy joke depended on the implication.
Mom wears "slutty" make-up and the 14 year-old has sex with professional ballplayers. Real classy, Dave.

Letterman lives in a glass house, he should dial it back.
The dynamic is that the live audience is perdisposed to find him humorous & he feeds off of that. These same people sitting in their living rooms , might not find this stuff so funny.

982 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:20:50am

When Lt. Cotton's time in Iraq was finished, what did he do?

Well, he re-upped so he could go to the 'Stan.

We Are Not Worthy Of Those Who Protect Us.

983 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:20:54am

I'm getting a bunch of hits on my blog through Google, for the search term "tob shebbe goyim harog" and my link is the only one that isn't a frenzied anti-semitic whacksite. Last night Michael Korn (a maniac who sends death threats to evolutionists) left a comment at my blog. I deleted his comment and had to disinfect the entire blog.

984 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:21:18am

re: #952 haakondahl

A) Even if that were true, that is not "calling for" anything, but it would be pretty damned sketchy.

B) His "joke" is about the past. Events which "happened" in his alternate and unfunny universe.

These are both minor points, but even splitting the difference as you have, it still does not constitute "calling for" anything.
If he had "called for" the rape of a minor, he would already be in jail.

Even that miserable fellow who wrote that hateful rape column for playboy did not actually "call for" anything. He's still a POS.

Is anybody here actually unclear as to why I keyed on the "called for" that Nevergiveup came up with?

Look. Here's a joke that isn't funny, and it isn't hateful or mean-spirited: Did you hear that Nevergive up moved to Nigeria?

Nowhere in that did I "call for" him to move to Nigeria. I wouldn't want him to. Now, however, you can all start to criticise me for "calling for the movement of a blog-commenter", if you wish be consistent with your earlier "understanding" and to maintain the appearance of genuine outrage at a conventiently manufactured version of events.

I like breaded cauliflower.

985 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:21:50am

re: #930 reine.de.tout
Hi reine! No I hadn't seen that - thanks for posting that and for the link.

986 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:22:17am

re: #980 Iron Fist

.50 cal rifles with APIT (armor piercing incindiary tracers)

Small quibble: I agree with the API part, but not the T... I don't recall them being tracers.

I *do* recall the cool showers of sparks they made when they hit that junked truck I was shooting at.

987 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:22:47am

re: #963 Occasional Reader

Thanks for the tips on Tinnitus treatment. I've had my tinnitus for almost ten years now and was able to live with it without getting insane. It was only this morning that the volume of the 'noise' increased quite some notches.
I'll go to the ENT doctor as soon as I can get an appointment.

988 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:22:56am

re: #979 VegasRick

Does "Dumbass stupid jerkoff" work?

The guy has some serious attitude. Your comments were notr off base & what does that have to do with winning elections?
It was a discussion about a crass comic.

989 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:23:12am

re: #980 Iron Fist

Guns, explosives, and booze. What could possibly go wrong?

Heh.

Let's be clear, though... the booze part came very much AFTER the guns and explosives part.

990 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:23:49am

re: #963 Occasional Reader

First off, I concur with realwest: You should see an ENT doc if you haven't already.

Second; I've had tinnitus for years, and use something called Tinnitus Relief Formula, by a company called Arches. It seems to provide some relief. Yes, you might call it an "herbal" remedy... active ingredient is gingko biloba... but it does apparently have some clinical studies to back it up, and it was recommended by my ENT doc.

I trust he's not too hasty?

991 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:24:18am
992 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:24:27am

re: #988 opnion

The guy has some serious attitude. Your comments were notr off base & what does that have to do with winning elections?
It was a discussion about a crass comic.

I think he missed the entire point of it.

993 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:25:05am

re: #973 Ojoe

THis morning's Towercam, San Gabriel MOuntains of California, Pacific time zone.

Nature break.

BBL

Fluffy, not stuffy!

994 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:25:43am

re: #987 callahan23

Thanks for the tips on Tinnitus treatment. I've had my tinnitus for almost ten years now and was able to live with it without getting insane. It was only this morning that the volume of the 'noise' increased quite some notches.
I'll go to the ENT doctor as soon as I can get an appointment.

Have you ever seen a doctor about it?

As temporary measures; avoid caffeine; avoid stress, to the extent possible; and I've found it helps somewhat to get a little massage around the upper back, neck, and jawline area.

The product from Arches I think really does work. I've had the tinnitus for years, but it's been very "quiet" ever since I started using that stuff, and really doesn't bother me.

995 irish rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:25:53am

So, anyone planning to celebrate Bloomsday this weekend?
I'm a reader, bell ringer and I'll also be doing a solo, "Raglan Road".

I'm also a musician for the intermissions... I'm putting together a set list this morning.

This is a good weekend to visit a local Irish pub if they're holding a Bloomsday celebration. It's always great fun to observe rank amateurs in Edwardian dress butchering one of the worlds' greatest works of (bawdy) modernist literature.

996 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:25:59am

re: #934 Occasional Reader
" A thing to be devoutly avoided on ALL sides, in a civilized society." Aye, but there's the rub. We have become, IMO, much less civil - at least in terms of political discourse - since the 2000 elections.
And it IS a shame - there are some really BRIGHT people on both "sides" of the political spectrum and they frequently don't get heard because they are on the "wrong" side. And I have NO IDEA where the idea that someone who is AT BEST an entertainer actually speaks for a political party, you know?

997 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:26:11am

re: #980 Iron Fist

Oh, no, unless you mean that we'll issue you a weapon if you don't have one. At Geepers' parties there were guns. Lots of guns, all kinds of makes and models. One dude had a pair of Iranian mausers that were nice. One of them was unfired. He had the paper/cardboard stripper clips for them and everything.

I, of course, was a walking cultlery shop, and Geepers had a length of heavy chain that was just funs as hell to play with.

Then their was Reaganite's retirement party. We had 80 pounds of C4. 20 pounds of military-grade dynamite (I got to set up some of the C4, and I got to detonate the dynamite. It was just too cool :-). Machineguns (M-4s), .50 cal rifles with APIT (armor piercing incindiary tracers), even gasoline and something like 600 feet of det cord.

Best party ever!

Not knocking the gigs in the bay Area, but the really good LGF parties require a range safety officer. Guns, explosives, and booze. What could possibly go wrong?

Where do I sign up? I'll be sure to be armed as well - I promise.

998 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:26:55am

re: #995 irish rose

So, anyone planning to celebrate Bloomsday this weekend?
I'm a reader, bell ringer and I'll also be doing a solo, "Raglan Road".

I'm also a musician for the intermissions... I'm putting together a set list this morning.

This is a good weekend to visit a local Irish pub if they're holding a Bloomsday celebration. It's always great fun to observe rank amateurs in Edwardian dress butchering one of the worlds' greatest works of (bawdy) modernist literature.

I love Joyce - she's my favorite writer!
/Rodney Dangerfield, PBUH

999 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:27:48am

re: #992 VegasRick

I think he missed the entire point of it.

It's splitting hairs. Letterman did not say, "I endorse statutory rape"
However he seemed to think it was cute to accept the concept.
Letterman is despicable & I did get your point.

1000 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:28:03am

re: #994 Occasional Reader

Have you ever seen a doctor about it?

As temporary measures; avoid caffeine; avoid stress, to the extent possible; and I've found it helps somewhat to get a little massage around the upper back, neck, and jawline area.

The product from Arches I think really does work. I've had the tinnitus for years, but it's been very "quiet" ever since I started using that stuff, and really doesn't bother me.

What's the product from Arches?

/been busy, haven't been watching the thread closely

1001 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:28:11am

US strike kills Iranian-backed Taliban commander in western Afghanistan
By Bill Roggio

The US military killed a senior Taliban commander with links to Iran's Qods Forces during an airstrike in western Afghanistan.

Mullah Mustafa and sixteen of his followers were killed in the western province of Ghor after intelligence assets, likely unmanned aerial vehicles, spotted his movement and attacked his convoy.

"Coalition forces observed Mustafa moving by vehicle from his compound. When he stopped in a remote area, he was joined by multiple militants," a press release issued by the US military stated. "After determining no civilians would be endangered, forces used precision aerial munitions to strike the group, killing Mustafa and as many as 16 other militants." Mustafa reportedly met with a group of senior Taliban commanders prior to today's airstrike.

Keep this in mind the next time some fool tries to tell you the Iranians are anti-Taliban & can help the US fight them.

1002 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:28:20am

re: #991 Iron Fist

Oh, did you ever get your pen? I've forgotten which one you ordered.

Yes, it's one by "Timberline Tactical". Seems well made and useful as a last-ditch weapon. I give them a point off, though, for having "Timberline Tactical" printed right on the damn cap (in small letters, true), which I think raises the likelihood of it getting confiscated by airport security.

1003 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:28:31am

International Atomic Energy Agency documents revealed that Iran began a secret nuclear program during the tenure of Mir Hossein Mousavi, the opposition leader running against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I hope people aren't basing all their hope in this election on this "moderate"?

1004 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:29:26am

re: #930 reine.de.tout

This is interesting. I'm guessing someone has already posted this, but for those of us who missed it:

Holocaust Museum shooter von Brunn a 9/11 'truther' who hated 'neo-cons', Bush, McCain

Thanks for that link. Very interesting. From that linked article also:

That this shooting occurred shortly after President Obama's former mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, blamed "the Jews" for his lack of access to his former parishioner is a troubling confluence of events as well.
1005 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:29:26am

re: #949 callahan23
Carter's influence, like his immortal legacy, is all in his mind.
I can't think of anyone who takes what he says with even a grain of truth - he just lets anyone use him, particularly in an Anti-Semitic fashion.

1006 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:29:34am

re: #999 opnion

It's splitting hairs. Letterman did not say, "I endorse statutory rape"
However he seemed to think it was cute to accept the concept.
Letterman is despicable & I did get your point.

Thanks.

1007 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:29:51am

Make peace with this? Are you fucking kidding me? Let them make peace with themselves and then call us when they are ready: Palestinian family kills 15 year old son

From the article:

In the first incident of its kind, a Palestinian family has killed its 15-year-old son in the West Bank after accusing him of "collaboration" with Israel.

A preliminary investigation launched by PA security forces revealed that Sawalha had been brutally tortured before he was hanged to death.

Gen. Adnan Damiri, spokesman for the PA security forces in the West Bank, said the perpetrators were all members of the boy's family, including the father, uncle and cousin.

1008 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:29:57am

re: #995 irish rose

Youtube Video
1009 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:30:02am

re: #1000 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What's the product from Arches?

/been busy, haven't been watching the thread closely

Company called Arches, product is "Tinnitus Relief Formula". Google it!

1010 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:30:45am

re: #951 Miss Trixie
Hey sweetie - don't y'all owe me an e-mail about what's going on in your life these days?!
And even if you don't, one would be appreciated!

1011 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:31:14am

re: #1009 Occasional Reader

Company called Arches, product is "Tinnitus Relief Formula". Google it!

Thanks!

1012 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:31:26am

re: #1007 Creeping Eruption

Ahh, Palestinian Family Values.

1013 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:31:30am

re: #1004 callahan23

See my #412. He ain't too happy with the Christians, either.

Seems to be an equal opportunity nutter. He hates everybody.

1014 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:32:04am

re: #1001 Kenneth

US strike kills Iranian-backed Taliban commander in western Afghanistan
By Bill Roggio

Keep this in mind the next time some fool tries to tell you the Iranians are anti-Taliban & can help the US fight them.

* * * *
Mercifully, now we don't have to Mirandize Mullah Mustafa and his militant mob!

1015 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:32:05am

re: #1007 Creeping Eruption

Make peace with this? Are you fucking kidding me? Let them make peace with themselves and then call us when they are ready: Palestinian family kills 15 year old son

From the article:

Maybe the UN Human rights council will look into it? Yeah right.

1016 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:32:14am
1017 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:32:31am
Youtube Video
1018 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:32:33am

re: #954 Iron Fist
Well hell, Bro', there are a lot of lizards still left in North Carolina which ain't all that far from where you are!
Think about it, would ya?!

1019 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:32:45am

re: #995 irish rose

I love Joyce's short stories, but I couldn't make it through Ulysses. Maybe I could have if it was assigned in one of my engllish lit classes. I read some of the annotated parts of it in an anthology, but never the whole book.

1020 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:32:47am

re: #1013 razorbacker

The one tie that binds is his anti Semitism. He's got Jew hatred in nearly every one of his conspiracy theories and writings.

I just can't quite figure out his anti-Christianity stuff though.

1021 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:32:58am

re: #1015 Nevergiveup

Maybe the UN Human rights council will look into it? Yeah right.

Or Carter. /

1022 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:33:26am

re: #1014 alegrias

* * * *
Mercifully, now we don't have to Mirandize Mullah Mustafa and his militant mob!

"You have the right to remain in tiny, charred pieces..."

1023 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:34:50am
1024 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:35:18am

re: #1001 Kenneth

US strike kills Iranian-backed Taliban commander in western Afghanistan
By Bill Roggio

Keep this in mind the next time some fool tries to tell you the Iranians are anti-Taliban & can help the US fight them.

Looks like there is going to be more and more of that:

McChrystal given Carte Blanche

1025 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:35:28am

re: #1022 Occasional Reader

"You have the right to remain in tiny, charred pieces..."

"... any odors which you emit can, and will, be held against you ..."

1026 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:35:28am

OK now this is bizarre:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The WHO is going to declare swine flu as a pandemic due to rising number of cases. Huh!? what new cases? Then I read the money quote:

"It will trigger drugmakers to speed up production of a swine flu vaccine and prompt governments to devote more money toward efforts to contain the virus."

It's all about the benjamins, even for the WHO.

1027 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:35:49am

re: #863 haakondahl

Don't get all slippery with me--you're not as smart as you are angry. You said "called for". Nobody has "called for" the rape of anybody. I have no doubt that you understood perfectly well which part of "called for the rape" I wanted you to show me, and your smarmy, dissumulating response marks you as a child and a liar.
Or perhaps you are a mature, truthful adult who for some reason thinks that I need to be lectured on the definition of rape.
Either way, you're a piece of work, and I guess we're done here.

Letterman has jumped the shark. The whole idea was to make a joke out of a 14 yr old girl getting impregnated while her mother hob nobbed with a political crony rather than pay attention to what was happening in the seat next to her.

It was pathetic and no matter who the actual writer was, Letterman approved the script.

1028 SFGoth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:36:44am

Coulter's latest column is pretty good actually, and I'm not a fan of hers. I do like her writing style though, but it's like reading my own. ;->

1029 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:36:55am

re: #1022 Occasional Reader

[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]

1030 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:37:17am

re: #1025 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #1022 Occasional Reader

"You have the right to remain in tiny, charred pieces..."

"... any odors which you emit can, and will, be held against you ..."

"You have the right to choose to be rendered either 'original recipe' or 'extra crispy'; if you do not make that choice, that choice will be provided for you."

1031 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:37:34am

re: #1007 Creeping Eruption

Make peace with this? Are you fucking kidding me? Let them make peace with themselves and then call us when they are ready: Palestinian family kills 15 year old son

From the article:

* * * * *
Remember the Hamas founder/leader whose son escaped & wrote "Escape from Hamas", and is now living in California? He was jailed by Israel, and saw the light during his time at Megiddo prison, where he alleged Hamas inmates ran a mini government that brutalized & murdered other Hamas inmates.

Young Mosab Hassan (b. 1977) was the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, and from California, has denounced Islam and apologized for his own "job" leading the Islamic Youth Movement.

(from my notes of 1/3/09 based on Jonathan Hunt's interview on Fox News with this outstanding young man who willingly left Hamas/West Bank/and anti-semitism.)

1032 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:37:38am

re: #999 opnion

It's splitting hairs. Letterman did not say, "I endorse statutory rape"
However he seemed to think it was cute to accept the concept.
Letterman is despicable & I did get your point.

If Letterman was smart, he'd make a joke about the joke. It would go something like this:

"The other day I apologized for a tasteless joke about Palin's daughter when I said

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
Well, look what the loonies on the blogs are saying about my poor choice of a joke.(pause)

"Letterman calls for the rape of a minor child." (pause) I can't make this stuff up folks.

1033 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:38:08am

re: #1027 Eowyn2

Letterman has jumped the shark. The whole idea was to make a joke out of a 14 yr old girl getting impregnated while her mother hob nobbed with a political crony rather than pay attention to what was happening in the seat next to her.

It was pathetic and no matter who the actual writer was, Letterman approved the script.

Don't expect a response, I think he ran away.

1034 ctrlL  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:38:12am

Letterman Debacle/Kerfuffle

Seems like the joke was written by someone who was NOT paying attention to current events. I believe that the reference to the daughter was a case of mistaken identity. PROBLEM: this segment of the show is supposed to highlight the sharpness of Dave vis-a-vis current issues. It flopped because it was wrong from any angle.

Sarah should send Dave a box of unrefrigerated salmon heads !

1035 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:38:21am

re: #973 Ojoe Thanks Ojoe! I never got tired of looking DOWN at clouds!

1036 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:38:23am

re: #1020 lawhawk

Perhaps there is nothing there to understand.

Maybe it's like trying to understand Mein Kampf (sp., prolly).

You know;

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, hate, bullshit, hate, hate, hate, bullshit.

All you can understand is the hate.

1037 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:39:00am

re: #1013 razorbacker

See my #412. He ain't too happy with the Christians, either.

Seems to be an equal opportunity nutter. He hates everybody.

* * * *
Plus wasn't he a convicted FELON that did 7 years' jail time?

If so, I would appreciate the media calling the murderer the criminal felon he is.

1038 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:39:29am

re: #1022 Occasional Reader

"You have the right to remain in tiny, charred pieces..."

* * * *
In shallah, baby.

1039 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:39:49am

re: #1026 JohnnyReb

OK now this is bizarre:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The WHO is going to declare swine flu as a pandemic due to rising number of cases. Huh!? what new cases? Then I read the money quote:
[...]

The number of cases in Australia was the last that I heard, that finally tipped the balance for the WHO.

The confirmed cases (that is, actually tested cases) list:
[Link: www.who.int...]

1040 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:39:50am

re: #1032 avanti

Or maybe a joke about the loonies on the blogs who can't even get the joke right before they start mewling about how unfair everyone's interpretation is?

1041 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:40:18am

re: #956 sattv4u2

FUCK YOU,, SHOW me where I stated Letterman CALLED FOR the rape, as you accused me of

Wrong again. Nevergiveup said that Letterman "called for the rape", etc. I said, "Show me", because as you have already agreed, Letterman did no such thing. Then Nevergiveup, VegasRick, and you all defined rape for me (thank you). Nobody was willing to take op the "CALLED FOR". Why is that?
A) Is it because you all genuinely thought that I don't know what rape is, and therefore spelled it out for me?
B) Is it because you did not understand that "CALLED FOR THE RAPE" is a false accusation?
C) Or is it because it's more fun to attack people for things you wish they had said, or easier to attack them for more heinous statements, than for what they actually said?

You see, you all aren't stupid enough to make me believe that it's A) or B). So you treat me as though I'm some kind of drooling moron who needs things defined.

But just in case you actually are that stupid, let's recap:

"Hey, David Letterman called for the rape of a minor!"

"Really? Show me!"

"[sigh] Statutory rape is when a minor and..."

"Why are you treating me like an idiot? Sounds like Lettermen said no such thing, and now you are trying to fuck me off with some bullshit answer."

1042 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:40:19am

re: #1034 ctrlL

No, this was a case of a tone-deaf staff and an ignorant or purposefully tin-earred Letterman who thought he found a humorous situation in attacking the family of Sarah Palin.

Would he make a similar joke about young girls in a family of Democrat governors, like say the Spitzers? I think not.

In both instances, they are out of bounds and are beyond the pale.

1043 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:40:37am

re: #978 Nevergiveup

I never forget


Oh yeah?! Just wait until you get a few years older sonny boy! Then try saying that, um, whatever it was you said, with a straight face!

1044 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:40:40am

BTW, what is so "bizarre" about the WHO declaring a pandemic?

1045 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:40:49am

re: #912 realwest

He held up a photo of Chelsea on the radio?! What?!

On his television show. That's how long ago it was.

It was probably the stupidest thing he ever did. Why he's being lumped in with Jeremiah Wright today, I can't quite understand. Has he done something over-the-line recently?

1046 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:41:05am

re: #1037 alegrias

Heck, some are still just calling him the alleged shooter, ignoring that he's now an alleged murderer for the victim, Stephen Johns, died yesterday of the gunshot wounds sustained after Brunn opened fire.

1047 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:41:11am

re: #1005 realwest

Carter's influence, like his immortal legacy, is all in his mind.
I can't think of anyone who takes what he says with even a grain of truth - he just lets anyone use him, particularly in an Anti-Semitic fashion.

Me neither, can't think of anyone (politically versed) who takes what he says with even a grain of truth.
Yet he is being interviewed and articles appear about his views and he is invited to speak in front of cameras. To those who see an ex-President as an authority or who have not heard of his rather extreme anti-semitism his views have an influence. Particularly here across the pond where the populace and not even the intelligenzia has a clue as to the intricacies of US politics such a creep like j. carter enjoys a lot of respect solely for the fact that he is an ex-President and he made everybody feel nice and cuddly as opposed to Ronald Reagan. Who is still despised in Germany from an overwhelming majority.

1048 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:41:28am

re: #995 irish rose

So, anyone planning to celebrate Bloomsday this weekend?
I'm a reader, bell ringer and I'll also be doing a solo, "Raglan Road".

I'm also a musician for the intermissions... I'm putting together a set list this morning.

This is a good weekend to visit a local Irish pub if they're holding a Bloomsday celebration. It's always great fun to observe rank amateurs in Edwardian dress butchering one of the worlds' greatest works of (bawdy) modernist literature.

That sounds splendid. I should goggle to see if there's something in my area. We have a couple of pseudo-Irish pubs in town.

1049 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:41:32am

re: #1032 avanti

If Letterman was smart, he'd make a joke about the joke. It would go something like this:

"The other day I apologized for a tasteless joke about Palin's daughter when I said

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
Well, look what the loonies on the blogs are saying about my poor choice of a joke.(pause)

"Letterman calls for the rape of a minor child." (pause) I can't make this stuff up folks.

And some of these stupid fucking assholes actually defended me!

1050 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:41:35am

re: #1032 avanti

Don't quit your day job.

1051 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:41:42am

re: #1026 JohnnyReb

OK now this is bizarre:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The WHO is going to declare swine flu as a pandemic due to rising number of cases. Huh!? what new cases? Then I read the money quote:

"It will trigger drugmakers to speed up production of a swine flu vaccine and prompt governments to devote more money toward efforts to contain the virus."

It's all about the benjamins, even for the WHO.

The WHO sell out!

1052 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:41:43am
1053 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:41:51am

re: #1032 avanti

That was your worst post ever.

Just. Fuck. Off.

1054 irish rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:42:23am

If you read only one chapter of Ulysses, make it chapter 18 :).

At my pub we have a great time with Bloomsday... I've been playing one of the whores, Zoe, for quite a few years now. It's the one day out of the year that I parade around in public wearing fishnets and a tight corset.

We had a dress rehearsal last Tuesday night. We were all well plied with pints throughout and as usual, by the end of the evening it turned into a random parade of people walking up to the mike to recite dirty limericks.

Who says the Irish don't know how to have fun?

1055 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:42:48am

re: #1051 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The WHO sell out!

Won't get fooled again.

1056 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:43:09am

re: #1007 Creeping Eruption

Make peace with this? Are you fucking kidding me? Let them make peace with themselves and then call us when they are ready: Palestinian family kills 15 year old son

He was probably checking out the Israeli military babes on line so naturally he would be a collaborator.

1057 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:43:14am

re: #1043 realwest

Oh yeah?! Just wait until you get a few years older sonny boy! Then try saying that, um, whatever it was you said, with a straight face!

What are you talking about again?

1058 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:43:15am

re: #1030 Occasional Reader

"You have the right to choose to be rendered either 'original recipe' or 'extra crispy'; if you do not make that choice, that choice will be provided for you."

"However, if you have checked the 'Organ Donor' box, we will be happy to remand your remains to a sausage-making plant in Michigan ..."

/... because they Hoffa lot of experience in these matters

1059 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:43:23am

re: #1045 capitalist piglet

On his television show. That's how long ago it was.

It was probably the stupidest thing he ever did. Why he's being lumped in with Jeremiah Wright today, I can't quite understand.Has he done something over-the-line recently?

Spoke out against President Hopeandchange

1060 Miss Trixie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:43:40am

re: #1010 realwest

Hey sweetie - don't y'all owe me an e-mail about what's going on in your life these days?!

Yes I do. My life's been a mad jumble lately and I will do my best to send you an email this weekend. *mwah* :D

1061 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:43:54am

re: #1050 Occasional Reader

Don't quit your day job.

LOL!

1062 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:44:03am

re: #999 opnion

It's splitting hairs. Letterman did not say, "I endorse statutory rape"
However he seemed to think it was cute to accept the concept.
Letterman is despicable & I did get your point.

Letterman's lame excuse is that he thought it was Bristol (the teenage mom) with Sarah on her trip to New York, not 14-year-old Willow. And he figures Bristol is fair game because she is not a virgin.

What a shmuck.

1063 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:44:10am

re: #1039 freetoken

The number of cases in Australia was the last that I heard, that finally tipped the balance for the WHO.

The confirmed cases (that is, actually tested cases) list:
[Link: www.who.int...]

Then it meets the definition for a pandemic. However, as far as pandemics go, this one seems fairly benign currently.

1064 songbird  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:44:16am

re: #1005 realwest

... he just lets anyone use him, particularly in an Anti-Semitic fashion.

That's it! That is his immortal legacy whether he realizes it or not

1065 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:44:32am

re: #1032 avanti

If Letterman was smart, he'd make a joke about the joke. It would go something like this:

"The other day I apologized for a tasteless joke about Palin's daughter when I said

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
Well, look what the loonies on the blogs are saying about my poor choice of a joke.(pause)

"Letterman calls for the rape of a minor child." (pause) I can't make this stuff up folks.


Woudn't it be better if he took ownership for his despicable reference to the Palin daughter? It would really be a weasle tactic to blame "loonies:" on blogs, he said it.
He should just just jump on the sword & apologise to the young girl & the entire Palin family, but I doubt that he has that in him.
Uh, do you have any "loonies" in mind?

1066 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:44:33am

re: #1048 doppelganglander

That sounds splendid. I should goggle to see if there's something in my area. We have a couple of pseudo-Irish pubs in town.

Tipsy McStaggers?

1067 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:44:34am
1068 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:44:50am

re: #987 callahan23
"I'll go to the ENT doctor as soon as I can get an appointment."
I sure hope you do. In fact, y'all ought to be on the phone right now making an.........uh, wait, isn't it after 5:00PM where you are?
Well then first thing tomorrow morning your time!

1069 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:45:01am

re: #1051 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The WHO sell out!

And since this will be a boon for big pharma, I guess they're pleasing themselves with Pictures of [Eli] Lilly.

1070 bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:45:13am

re: #1032 avanti

If Letterman was smart, he'd make a joke about the joke. It would go something like this:

"The other day I apologized for a tasteless joke about Palin's daughter when I said

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
Well, look what the loonies on the blogs are saying about my poor choice of a joke.(pause)

"Letterman calls for the rape of a minor child." (pause) I can't make this stuff up folks.

I see what you did there. You are reframing the discussion around one poster's choice of words. Rather than discuss the issue you take the other side's first perceived (by you) misstatement and hammer it to death rather than debate the original point. Then to imply that this one poster's opinion reflects everyone's opinion and that somehow makes Letterman a victim.

Like I said, I see what you did there. If you have bigger fish to fry than the original argument then by all means, go fry them.

1071 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:45:23am

re: #1062 Alouette

I wonder of Joe Biden's cocaine-addled little darling will be the subject of a future Top Ten list? I'll be not holding my breath.

1072 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:45:51am

re: #1034 ctrlL

Letterman Debacle/Kerfuffle

Seems like the joke was written by someone who was NOT paying attention to current events. I believe that the reference to the daughter was a case of mistaken identity. PROBLEM: this segment of the show is supposed to highlight the sharpness of Dave vis-a-vis current issues. It flopped because it was wrong from any angle.

Sarah should send Dave a box of unrefrigerated salmon heads !

You will sleep with the salmon heads.

1073 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:46:11am

re: #986 Occasional Reader
"I *do* recall the cool showers of sparks they made when they hit that junked truck I was shooting at."
I'll BET! Uh, who was it that actually hit the truck?!
:)

1074 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:46:24am

re: #1062 Alouette

Letterman's lame excuse is that he thought it was Bristol (the teenage mom) with Sarah on her trip to New York, not 14-year-old Willow. And he figures Bristol is fair game because she is not a virgin.

What a shmuck.

Letterman is an asshole, IMHO, and has been for quite some time. I've seen him maybe once or twice, and each time he's been completely unwatchable. I've got better things to do with my TV than watch an ass who thinks he's funny be completely unfunny.

1075 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:46:48am

re: #1067 Iron Fist

Yeah, the Beanchmade has "Beanchmade" on the freaking pocket clip

Are those made in Lima?

/

1076 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:46:49am

Morning all! This is just wonderful:

Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

Somehow, we all knew this was coming. It's total, utter insanity. This administration is rapidly destroying any hope of real economic recovery.

This isn't about companies that take bailout funds. It's any publicly held company. And it's probably only a matter of time before our new "pay czar" is given the authority to control the salaries at even privately held companies - "because they may have a negative impact on the economy."

1077 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:46:56am

re: #1046 lawhawk

Heck, some are still just calling him the alleged shooter, ignoring that he's now an alleged murderer for the victim, Stephen Johns, died yesterday of the gunshot wounds sustained after Brunn opened fire.

The National Museum of Jewish American History is being built here in Philly & as I was walking by the construction site the other day, I said to myself, "I hope they get good security - a museum of Jewish History is sure to bring the nutjobs out of the woodwork."

1078 Rancher  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:46:56am

re: #1003 Nevergiveup

International Atomic Energy Agency documents revealed that Iran began a secret nuclear program during the tenure of Mir Hossein Mousavi, the opposition leader running against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I hope people aren't basing all their hope in this election on this "moderate"?


They aren't, they're basing their hopes on his wife.

Now, all of a sudden, Mrs. Mousavi becomes a national political figure. Other women have emerged from time to time to play public roles in political melodramas, but nothing like this has happened in the history of the Islamic Republic. The very fact of her political role is explosive. In many ways, it threatens the foundations of the system, for if women are granted equality with men (and this is one very clear message of the Mousavi campaign, it is demonstrated by her presence, by the words she uses, and by the enthusiasm she has inspired), the whole structure of the Khomeinist regime can be called into doubt.

Everybody in Iran recognizes this. The mystery is why she has been permitted to do it. To put the matter bluntly, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei could have put a stop to it at the very outset of the campaign, but did not. Why? Does he secretly support a serious challenge to the Islamic Republic? Is this some diabolical trick, to once again lure the dissidents into the streets so that they can be crushed yet again by a crafty, murderous regime?

1079 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:47:18am
1080 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:47:28am

re: #1069 Occasional Reader

And since this will be a boon for big pharma, I guess they're pleasing themselves with Pictures of [Eli] Lilly.

Yes, the squeezebox isn't doing it for 'em anymore.

1081 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:47:30am

re: #1071 lincolntf

I wonder of Joe Biden's cocaine-addled little darling will be the subject of a future Top Ten list? I'll be not holding my breath.


Never mind the coke addict, what about his lobbyist son facing a possible prison sentence?

1082 songbird  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:47:48am

re: #1026 JohnnyReb

OK now this is bizarre:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The WHO is going to declare swine flu as a pandemic due to rising number of cases. Huh!? what new cases? Then I read the money quote:

"It will trigger drugmakers to speed up production of a swine flu vaccine and prompt governments to devote more money toward efforts to contain the virus."

It's all about the benjamins, even for the WHO.

Here is the FluTracker website. The numbers rise every day!

1083 ctrlL  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:48:03am

re: #1042 lawhawk

Absolutely concur, sir. I simply believe that these elites, who shall deem to entertain us with their brainy-ness and their in-your-face got 'cha political slurs, BLEW IT and they only have themselves to blame for showing how sloppy they have become .... Letterman included. HA!

1084 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:48:10am

re: #1076 subsailor68

Morning all! This is just wonderful:

Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

Somehow, we all knew this was coming. It's total, utter insanity. This administration is rapidly destroying any hope of real economic recovery.

This isn't about companies that take bailout funds. It's any publicly held company. And it's probably only a matter of time before our new "pay czar" is given the authority to control the salaries at even privately held companies - "because they may have a negative impact on the economy."

Wonder if this wil include Oprah and those google guys?

1085 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:48:34am

AFP: China calls for 'balanced' UN resolution on N.Korea

China called on Thursday for an "appropriate and balanced" UN resolution against North Korea for its recent nuclear test and missile launches after a draft was submitted to the Security Council.

"We always believe that the Security Council should pass an appropriate and balanced resolution which is conducive to promoting the de-nuclearisation on the Korean peninsula," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters.

He added the resolution should help "safeguard peace and stability in northeast Asia,"

San Fran Chron: U.N. drafts tough resolution on North Korea

The United States, China and other major powers reached agreement Wednesday on a draft U.N. resolution that condemns North Korea's recent underground nuclear test and imposes additional military, financial and trade sanctions on the communist state. The draft was presented to the full, 15-nation Security Council for consideration and could be adopted as early as Friday.
[...]
The text calls for U.N. member states to inspect all shipments entering or leaving North Korea if there is a reasonable suspicion that the cargo contains banned nuclear or missile technology. It also urges member nations, for the first time, to board ships suspected of carrying banned materials on the high seas and to seize any contraband they find.

The draft, however, includes important caveats, such as the need for the so-called flag state - the country in which a ship is registered - to approve the boarding. [...]

The resolution's adoption would send a message to North Korea that its "behavior is unacceptable" and that "they must pay a price," Rice said, adding that this resolution "will bite."

We'll show'em.

...again...and again...and again...and again....

1086 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:48:41am

re: #1073 realwest

Uh, who was it that actually hit the truck?!

Wiseass!

That was me, of course. My motto: "Don't bother running, you'll only die tired."

//

1087 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:48:42am

re: #1049 VegasRick

And some of these stupid fucking assholes actually defended me!

I never defended him, just showing how over the top the reaction is. I'm willing to take the down dings for pointing out that the joke, while tasteless, was not intended to imply rape of a minor.

1088 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:49:09am

re: #1072 Eowyn2

You will sleep with the salmon heads.

Fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fish heads.....

1089 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:49:42am

re: #1071 lincolntf

I wonder of Joe Biden's cocaine-addled little darling will be the subject of a future Top Ten list? I'll be not holding my breath.

I'm not expecting "Top 10 Highlights of Michelle Obama's Trip to Paris"

1090 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:49:52am

re: #1032 avanti

If Letterman was smart, he'd make a joke about the joke. It would go something like this:

"The other day I apologized for a tasteless joke about Palin's daughter when I said

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
Well, look what the loonies on the blogs are saying about my poor choice of a joke.(pause)

"Letterman calls for the rape of a minor child." (pause) I can't make this stuff up folks.

My God, avanti - some days you are unbelievably stupid.

1091 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:02am

re: #1078 Rancher


That has more to do with Obama and Michelle than anything else.

1092 bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:05am

re: #1087 avanti

I never defended him, just showing how over the top the reaction is. I'm willing to take the down dings for pointing out that the joke, while tasteless, was not intended to imply rape of a minor.

Have a cookie.

1093 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:05am

re: #1063 Honorary Yooper

Then it meets the definition for a pandemic. However, as far as pandemics go, this one seems fairly benign currently.

I am still calling BS on this one. In the US alone during regular flu season we get that many confirmed deaths from the Flu and complications from the Flu, let alone just confirmed cases. Just with those numbers alone we should have a pandemic declared every year as tons of travelers take the regular flu strain to nearly every country on earth.

1094 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:06am

re: #1077 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was at the Jewish Museum in Paris, and they had real tight security, and didn't allow any photography in the building at all. In fact, I recall that each individual had to go through a plexiglasses secure area before entry, with a bag check.

1095 irish rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:11am

re: #1087 avanti

I never defended him, just showing how over the top the reaction is. I'm willing to take the down dings for pointing out that the joke, while tasteless, was not intended to imply rape of a minor.

I disagree.

1096 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:23am

re: #1054 irish rose

If you read only one chapter of Ulysses, make it chapter 18 :).

At my pub we have a great time with Bloomsday... I've been playing one of the whores, Zoe, for quite a few years now. It's the one day out of the year that I parade around in public wearing fishnets and a tight corset.

Pictures?

1097 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:36am

re: #1087 avanti

I never defended him, just showing how over the top the reaction is. I'm willing to take the down dings for pointing out that the joke, while tasteless, was not intended to imply rape of a minor.

He is talking about a mid age man having sex with a minor. What do you call it?

1098 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:39am

OT
Live, DC Mayor Fenty talking about Holocaust shooting (on Fox)

DC shadow senator Eleanor Holmes Norton (the tax evader) wants to use this shooting to curtail the recent 2nd Amendment rights granted to DC residents.

Congress is trying to strip out the rights of DC residents to bear arms, in the mega billion bill they're trying to push through Congress right now.

1099 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:41am

re: #1026 JohnnyReb

OK now this is bizarre:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The WHO is going to declare swine flu as a pandemic due to rising number of cases. Huh!? what new cases? Then I read the money quote:

"It will trigger drugmakers to speed up production of a swine flu vaccine and prompt governments to devote more money toward efforts to contain the virus."

It's all about the benjamins, even for the WHO.

Nothing bizarre about it. The flu continues to spread, with several hundred new cases reported every day. There has been a surge of cases in Australia over the last couple of weeks.

Declaration of a pandemic has nothing to do with the severity of the illness; it is simply a measure of how widely and rapidly a disease spreads.

1100 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:42am

re: #1076 subsailor68

Somehow, we all knew this was coming. It's total, utter insanity. This administration is rapidly destroying any hope of real economic recovery.


Not really. It needs to be done. It's not the end of the world.

1101 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:50am

*Dear Lord, please don't worry about protecting me from mine enemies. I'll work on that. Please, Lord, protect me from my friends.*

1102 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:50:57am

re: #1087 avanti

I never defended him, just showing how over the top the reaction is. I'm willing to take the down dings for pointing out that the joke, while tasteless, was not intended to imply rape of a minor.

What was it intended to imply?

1103 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:51:04am

re: #1087 avanti

I never defended him, just showing how over the top the reaction is. I'm willing to take the down dings for pointing out that the joke, while tasteless, was not intended to imply rape of a minor.

Did I say you? haakondahl posted that he now HAD to defend letterman.

1104 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:51:31am

re: #1087 avanti

It implied that she had had sex with an adult. She's 14. That would have been statutory rape.
It was a joke, but it did imply that she'd been unlawfully violated.

1105 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:51:33am

re: #994 Occasional Reader

(1) Have you ever seen a doctor about it?
(2) As temporary measures; avoid caffeine; avoid stress, to the extent possible; and I've found it helps somewhat to get a little massage around the upper back, neck, and jawline area.
(3) The product from Arches I think really does work. I've had the tinnitus for years, but it's been very "quiet" ever since I started using that stuff, and really doesn't bother me.

(1) Yes, years ago. Didn't help much but as I said it was bearable. (2) Stress avoidance is not really possible at this time of my break-up and receiving a massage is therefor out of the question. Caffeine reduction, yes will do.
(3) I am going to inquire about that Arches product.
Thanks a lot.

1106 irish rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:51:45am

re: #1096 Mad Al-Jaffee

Pictures?

Here?
Not for a million dollars, friend ;).

1107 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:52:11am

re: #1084 KenJen

Wonder if this wil include Oprah and those google guys?

Morning KenJen! Probably not, but it could really be a problem for my wife.

She's the executive director of our town's senior center. Because of the meals programs, the center does take some state and fed funding (to keep things running). If the pay czar were to decide that kitchen and maintenance staff pay is too low (hey, if you can decide to lower salaries, you can also decide to raise them - think minimum wage) the unintended consequence of his decision would be the closing of the center.

And the older folks in the community who rely on the center for their meals would be the ones to suffer.

It's unacceptable.

1108 irish rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:52:30am

re: #1104 lincolntf

It implied that she had had sex with an adult. She's 14. That would have been statutory rape.
It was a joke, but it did imply that she'd been unlawfully violated.

Exactly.

1109 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:52:30am

re: #1076 subsailor68

Morning all! This is just wonderful:

Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

Somehow, we all knew this was coming. It's total, utter insanity. This administration is rapidly destroying any hope of real economic recovery.

This isn't about companies that take bailout funds. It's any publicly held company. And it's probably only a matter of time before our new "pay czar" is given the authority to control the salaries at even privately held companies - "because they may have a negative impact on the economy."

* * * * *
In the Soviet Union, the government pays you! (& You pretend to work)

1110 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:52:42am

re: #1098 alegrias

DC shadow senator Eleanor Holmes Norton (the tax evader) wants to use this shooting to curtail the recent 2nd Amendment rights granted to DC residents.

Utterly predictable.

1111 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:53:27am

re: #1098 alegrias

They're probably calling the shooter's .22 rifle a "machine gun."

1112 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:53:33am

re: #1069 Occasional Reader

And since this will be a boon for big pharma, I guess they're pleasing themselves with Pictures of [Eli] Lilly.

But We're Not Going to Take it. My Generation will Join Together. We Won't Get Fooled Again. Lets See Action, Pure and Easy. Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere!

1113 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:53:37am

re: #1090 capitalist piglet

My God, avanti - some days you are unbelievably stupid.

OK, logically, parse

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
into advocating child rape without a biased mindset to get you there.
Do you actually believe Letterman was joking about child rape ? If your honest answer is that was his intent, I get your outrage, even if I did not read that in the joke.

1114 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:53:46am
1115 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:54:06am

re: #1020 lawhawk
"I just can't quite figure out his anti-Christianity stuff though." He's nucking futz! Seriously, I think he's been suffering from dementia for a while now. And I say that without the hatred and rancor I feel towards him.

1116 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:54:07am

re: #1062 Alouette

Letterman's lame excuse is that he thought it was Bristol (the teenage mom) with Sarah on her trip to New York, not 14-year-old Willow. And he figures Bristol is fair game because she is not a virgin.

What a shmuck.

I'll bet Letterman was the kind of guy in high school who could "tell if a girl was a virgin because of the way they walk"

1117 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:54:20am

re: #1084 KenJen

Wonder if this wil include Oprah and those google guys?

* * * * *
In Tsarist/Czarist America, some pigs' pay is more equal than others.

1118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:54:55am

re: #1116 Eowyn2

I'll bet Letterman was the kind of guy in high school who could "tell if a girl was a virgin because of the way they walk"

Yeah - they'd walk far away from him!

1119 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:55:03am

re: #1111 Mad Al-Jaffee

They're probably calling the shooter's .22 rifle a "high-powered machine gun."

FTFY

*Programs, programs. Cain't tell yer idjits without a program. Get yer programs here.*

1120 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:55:05am

re: #1109 alegrias

* * * * *
In the Soviet Union, the government pays you! (& You pretend to work)

The joke was, in Soviet Union, government pretends to pay you, and you pretend to work.

1121 Shug  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:55:13am

Letterman isn't funny any more.

Anger is bad for comedy.
He is a bitter angry lib

He hasn't been funny since Larry Bud Melman left the show

1122 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:55:25am

re: #1068 realwest

"I'll go to the ENT doctor as soon as I can get an appointment."
I sure hope you do. In fact, y'all ought to be on the phone right now making an.........uh, wait, isn't it after 5:00PM where you are?
Well then first thing tomorrow morning your time!

:-)
You are right it is past 5:00PM and today is a holiday, it is 'Corpus Christi (feast)'. If it wasn't for the holiday I would have made an appointment already.

1123 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:55:33am

re: #1100 Killgore Trout

Not really. It needs to be done. It's not the end of the world.

Morning Kilgore! I'm not sure it needs to be done. Government has never had a very good track record when it comes to business or economic issues.

Even if I grant you that firms that took bailout money may need to answer for it, I cannot go along with the idea of government control over the operating practices of all companies.

1124 songbird  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:55:41am

re: #1088 Kosh's Shadow

Fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fish heads.....

Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up - YUM!

1125 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:55:48am

re: #1114 Iron Fist

You don't get near as much tracer effect during the day and one round at a time

Yeah, that could be.

I do remember someone mentioning the existence of .50BMG hollowpoints. I had to wonder, what the hell do you use them for? Hunting dinosaurs?!

1126 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:55:56am

re: #1112 Creeping Eruption

But We're Not Going to Take it. My Generation will Join Together. We Won't Get Fooled Again. Lets See Action, Pure and Easy. Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere!

Wow... Who are you?!

/riding the Magic Bus.

1127 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:56:03am

re: #1104 lincolntf

It implied that she had had sex with an adult. She's 14. That would have been statutory rape.
It was a joke, but it did imply that she'd been unlawfully violated.

* * * *
Planned Parenthood doesn't consider this a bad thing; it's good for their business.

1128 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:56:28am

re: #1113 avanti


Do you actually believe Letterman was joking about child rape ?


Yes.


If your honest answer is that was his intent, I get your outrage, even if I did not read that in the joke.

Just because you are too clueless to understand what Letterman was saying, it does not mean that Letterman did not say what he did say.

1129 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:56:31am

re: #1105 callahan23

Stress avoidance is not really possible at this time of my break-up and receiving a massage is therefor out of the question.

Very sorry to hear about the breakup.

You can always pay for professional massage, of course!

1130 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:56:42am

re: #1098 alegrias

The shooter was a convicted felon who still managed to get his hands on guns. Maybe someone should check to see if he broke the law to get the guns - or whether someone didn't follow the already stringent background checks in allowing him to buy a firearm.

It has to do with enforcing existing laws. Heller had nothing to do with the murder of Johns at the museum.

1131 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:56:56am

re: #1126 MrSilverDragon

Wow... Who are you?!

/riding the Magic Bus.

Just call me Happy Jack

1132 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:57:02am

re: #1102 Alouette

What was it intended to imply?

That Palin's knocked up daughter was in danger of getting knocked up again if mom did not keep a eye on her. Tasteless, yes, child rape, no.

1133 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:57:02am

re: #1116 Eowyn2

I'll bet Letterman was the kind of guy in high school who could "tell if a girl was a virgin because of the way they walk"

The Virgin Test

1134 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:57:36am

re: #1062 Alouette

Letterman's lame excuse is that he thought it was Bristol (the teenage mom) with Sarah on her trip to New York, not 14-year-old Willow. And he figures Bristol is fair game because she is not a virgin.

What a shmuck.

Letterman seems to be a little in the dark about the concept of human dignity. Bistol Palin got preganat out of wedlock, like that never happes.
Unfortuanately the father is an opportunistic cad.
The young lady remains a decent person.
I don't believe that Letterman & his writers mixed the kids up either.
He is juist trying to paint the Palins as White trash, which I think would better describe himself.

1135 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:57:37am

re: #1106 irish rose

Here?
Not for a million dollars, friend ;).

Then I'll just have to use my imagination. Where is that pub you're going to be doing this? :)

1136 Shug  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:57:52am

I'm waiting for Letterman to make some Sasha and Malia jokes

/could be in for a long wait

1137 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:57:56am

re: #1039 freetoken
Thanks for that link to confirmed cases. Much appreciated.

1138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:58:06am

re: #1125 Occasional Reader

Yeah, that could be.

I do remember someone mentioning the existence of .50BMG hollowpoints. I had to wonder, what the hell do you use them for? Hunting dinosaurs?!

That's how our caveman ancestors rolled.
/

1139 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:58:19am

re: #1076 subsailor68

Morning all! This is just wonderful:

Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

Somehow, we all knew this was coming. It's total, utter insanity. This administration is rapidly destroying any hope of real economic recovery.

This isn't about companies that take bailout funds. It's any publicly held company. And it's probably only a matter of time before our new "pay czar" is given the authority to control the salaries at even privately held companies - "because they may have a negative impact on the economy."

we all know that giving more money to people to shop and vacation has a negative impact on the economy. Why, just yesterday I negated my tuesday frugality by purchasing a couple of gatoraids and some jerky.

1140 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:58:21am
1141 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:58:45am

re: #1100 Killgore Trout

Not really. It needs to be done. It's not the end of the world.


If the government is so good at running business, why is SS, Medicare, and every other government run program in such bad shape? They even manage to lose money with the Post Office.

1142 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:58:48am

re: #1100 Killgore Trout

Not really. It needs to be done. It's not the end of the world.

Yes, I think it's great if the government decides how much we all get paid.

/

Oh, I know, I'm being hysterical, right?

But... have you noticed how quickly that slope got slipperier? It was only a few weeks ago that the talking point was, "hey, now, everyone calm down, we're ONLY talking about controlling executive pay for TARP recipients, that's it."

1143 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:59:03am

re: #1132 avanti

That Palin's knocked up daughter was in danger of getting knocked up again if mom did not keep a eye on her. Tasteless, yes, child rape, no.

Bristol was not with Sarah Palin on this trip, it was 14-year-old Willow.

And just because Bristol had sex with her boyfriend does not mean that she would have sex with everyone. To imply that in a joke is vulgar, insulting and obnoxious.

1144 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:59:08am

re: #1133 Alouette

The Virgin Test

I was expecting a Star Trek trivia site.

1145 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:59:20am

re: #1045 capitalist piglet
Rush had a TV show? Get outta here; old as I am I'd remember THAT for sure.

1146 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:59:46am

re: #1144 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I was expecting a Star Trek trivia site.

What did you see in the picture? (A virgin will see splashing dolphins)

1147 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:00:01am

re: #1137 realwest

No problem... I put the CDC page (which links to the WHO site) on the favorites list, when the outbreak started.

Handy tools, these web-browser thingies...

1148 irish rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:00:11am

re: #1100 Killgore Trout

Not really. It needs to be done. It's not the end of the world.

You're right, it does have to be done.

This was all inevitible, IMO... the crash has been coming for a long time. Our economy and infastructure have been expanding for years to accomodate the baby boomer generation.... first they needed schools. Then they needed cars. Then they needed homes. Our entire economy adjusted to accomodate.

Now that the boomer generation is aging and dying off, the economy and infrastructure are retracting back to a state of normalcy. It might take a while, but eventually we're going to get there.

1149 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:00:15am

re: #1110 Occasional Reader

Utterly predictable.

Hah, I was just told here yesterday that I was being paranoid.

1150 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:00:18am

re: #1133 Alouette

The Virgin Test

Picture of Dolphins?. So what does it mean if you do not see any Dolphins?

1151 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:01:06am

re: #1150 Creeping Eruption

Picture of Dolphins?. So what does it mean if you do not see any Dolphins?

It means your not a virgin.

1152 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:01:10am

re: #1047 callahan23
Why the hell is Reagan despised so much in Germany?
He's not responsible for the uniting of East and West; I thought that was something the Germans voted on themselves!

1153 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:01:10am

re: #1120 Kosh's Shadow

The joke was, in Soviet Union, government pretends to pay you, and you pretend to work.

* * * *
That was after they spent the Tzars' bailout money!

Obama still has unused "stimulus" Trillions to waste as "pay" to unionistas & ACORNistas.

1154 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:01:12am

re: #1140 Iron Fist

With it just being DC, I'd get the weapon the hell out of the City. They can't prosecute you for having a gun where it is legal for you to have a gun

Of course, when the cracked-up nutcase is trying to kick in my patio door at 3 am, it'll be kind of tough to say, "hold that thought, while I pop over to my storage unit in Arlington and retrieve my Mossberg..."

1155 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:01:20am

re: #1128 Kenneth

Just because you are too clueless to understand what Letterman was saying, it does not mean that Letterman did not say what he did say.

OK, then we've covered the discussion. You heard a joke, and you thought it was about child rape, it did not occur to me, but I get your outrage, if not your interpretation of the joke.

1156 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:01:30am

re: #1151 Alouette

It means your not a virgin.

I need a visual aid to tell me that? shit I must be getting old. :)

1157 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:01:40am

re: #1027 Eowyn2

Letterman has jumped the shark. The whole idea was to make a joke out of a 14 yr old girl getting impregnated while her mother hob nobbed with a political crony rather than pay attention to what was happening in the seat next to her.

It was pathetic and no matter who the actual writer was, Letterman approved the script.

I agree. It is very difficult to disagree with this. It is an easy win for decent folks.
Now if we insist on putting words in his mouth, and criticising him for something that he did not do, then all he has to do is win THAT argument, and the whole thing turns to dust. Shark un-jumped, we lose again.

Anybody who professes to also "not understand" how this has anything to do with elections is still not being honest, or incredibly dense.
We want Letterman's head on a pike, because of the disgusting and vicious comments he sees fit to issue about minor children. But by conflating it with criminal action, "calling for", all we do is paint ourselves as the enemies of Free Speech. If we prove that we cannot (or more sinisterly will not) understand the difference between what is distasteful and what is criminal, we will certainly not win any elections any time soon. And for those who wish to put even more words in my mouth, I'm not saying that THIS ISSUE is going to cost us an election. It is this MODE OF ARGUMENT WHICH CANNOT BE WON that will hurt us.

1158 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:02:22am

Mullah Issues Fatwa to Rig Votes

Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi issued which sanctions cheating in Friday’s presidential election. Supervision over one-third of the ballot boxes has been taken away from the police and given to the Passdaran Revolutionary Guards.

"After the rapid decrease in the number of votes of one of the candidate (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) in late April, one of the Qom Seminary School professors, who also heads a research institute there and previously spoke at the Tehran Friday prayers, called for 'changing the votes' in a secret meeting, quoting a line from the Qoran, and adding, 'If someone is elected president whereby Islamic principles that are currently on the rise in Lebanon, Palestine, Venezuela and other parts of the world, start diminishing, it is Haraam [forbidden by Islam] to vote for that person. We shouldn't vote for that person and we should inform the people not to vote for him either, or else. For you, as administrators of the election, everything is permitted to this end."

Funny he should mention Venezuela, isn't it?

1159 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:02:27am

re: #1149 OldLineTexan

Hah, I was just told here yesterday that I was being paranoid.

I was about to mention that, in fact. Who was it, again?

1160 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:03:18am

re: #1132 avanti

That Palin's knocked up daughter was in danger of getting knocked up again if mom did not keep a eye on her. Tasteless, yes, child rape, no.

Wrong daughter, so child rape YES.

The idiot could have apologized, explaining that he didn't bother to research the "joke".

Instead, he's defending himself.

1161 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:03:27am

One would think that Letterman's prime objective now should be remaining as far away as possible from Todd Palin.

1162 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:03:28am

re: #1148 irish rose

You're right, it does have to be done.

This was all inevitible, IMO... the crash has been coming for a long time. Our economy and infastructure have been expanding for years to accomodate the baby boomer generation.... first they needed schools. Then they needed cars. Then they needed homes. Our entire economy adjusted to accomodate.

Now that the boomer generation is aging and dying off, the economy and infrastructure are retracting back to a state of normalcy. It might take a while, but eventually we're going to get there.

We would have gotten there a whole lot quicker and in the opinion of quite a few economists, a whole lot less painful if the government had stayed the f*c% out of the economy. And that goes double for Bush because he knows better.

1163 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:05:08am

re: #1107 subsailor68

Morning KenJen! Probably not, but it could really be a problem for my wife.

She's the executive director of our town's senior center. Because of the meals programs, the center does take some state and fed funding (to keep things running). If the pay czar were to decide that kitchen and maintenance staff pay is too low (hey, if you can decide to lower salaries, you can also decide to raise them - think minimum wage) the unintended consequence of his decision would be the closing of the center.

And the older folks in the community who rely on the center for their meals would be the ones to suffer.

It's unacceptable.

Totally unacceptable. Let's hope it doesn't happen. Problem is Obama does not seem to think ahead. He leaves unintended consequences with everything he touches.

1164 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:05:08am

re: #1052 Iron Fist
Yep and you still get the same "Chich-chich" when you pump in a round.
That sound alone will - or should unless they're on meth - scare anyone away!
And I know you've been sick my friend - me too, but I'm still good to visit with folks for a while. I do hope and pray they figure out how to fucking treat your diabetes so your not so sick and feet don't hurt so badly.

1165 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:05:14am

re: #1146 Alouette

What did you see in the picture? (A virgin will see splashing dolphins)

I saw two people engaging in baw-chicka-ba-baw
/my best onomatopoeia-ization of syncopated pr0no music

1166 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:05:42am

re: #1130 lawhawk

The shooter was a convicted felon who still managed to get his hands on guns. Maybe someone should check to see if he broke the law to get the guns - or whether someone didn't follow the already stringent background checks in allowing him to buy a firearm.

It has to do with enforcing existing laws. Heller had nothing to do with the murder of Johns at the museum.

* * * *
Thank you for noting he was a CONVICTED FELON. He lived in Maryland, a liberal state, not Washington, D.C.

But the democrats in Congress want to strip DC of its newly recognized 2nd amendment stuff.

Thank you for explaining this. I heard on the radio this morning that Nancy Pelosi's deputy Rep. Steny Hoyer had not wanted to bring this up for a vote UNTIL NOW, after this shooting-- he didn't think he could get enough democrat votes on Holmes Norton's push to revoke the DC gun rights just granted.

1167 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:05:47am

re: #1155 avanti

It's not an interpretation. We are reporting the literal meaning of what Letterman said. You are "interpreting" the joke so far that you have changed the meaning.

1168 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:06:11am
1169 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:06:21am

re: #1159 Occasional Reader

I was about to mention that, in fact. Who was it, again?

It was here.

/I hope I did that right

1170 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:06:44am

re: #1087 avanti

I never defended him, just showing how over the top the reaction is. I'm willing to take the down dings for pointing out that the joke, while tasteless, was not intended to imply rape of a minor.

Having sex with a minor is raping a minor. It's a classless joke that isn't only insulting to the Palin family, it's insulting to females. and it's insulting that Letterman is perpetuating a coarse attitude that sex with underage children is a great way to get a laugh.

1171 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:06:44am

re: #1165 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I saw two people engaging in baw-chicka-ba-baw
/my best onomatopoeia-ization of syncopated pr0no music

I kind of like "brown chicken, brown cow". (Hat tip: Fat Bastard Vegetarian, I think.)

1172 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:06:50am

re: #1158 Kenneth

Mullah Issues Fatwa to Rig Votes

Funny he should mention Venezuela, isn't it?

In poker, that's called "a tell."

1173 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:06:54am

Delta cutting more capacity

...Delta said it is still adding more than 20 new markets to its international network in 2009. ...


I guess that makes sense.
:-/

1174 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:07:54am

re: #1168 Iron Fist

Obama is moving pretty ambitiously, if quitely, on the socialism front. He's pushing us more and more to a command modle of economic management. The Planned Economies of the USSR/East Block/Cuba/North Korea having done so well since the end of WWII.

Morning Iron Fist! It certainly appears that way. I wish someone could give me an example of a country or civilization that prospered under centralized economic control, because for the life of me I just can't recall one.

;-)

1175 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:07:58am

re: #1087 avanti

I never defended him, just showing how over the top the reaction is. I'm willing to take the down dings for pointing out that the joke, while tasteless, was not intended to imply rape of a minor.

Avanti please, his referenced act is statuory rape. Did he literally say "I endorse stautory rape? No, he did not , that would never slip by editing & I doubt that he does.
What he did is make a sick joke about the act in order to slime the honor of a minor. By the way A Rod should be really pissed off.

1176 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:08:43am

re: #1145 realwest

Rush had a TV show? Get outta here; old as I am I'd remember THAT for sure.

It's true! Early '90s.

1177 Rancher  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:08:46am

re: #1084 KenJen

Wonder if this wil include Oprah and those google guys?

Hollywood and sports figures will be exempt.

1178 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:08:54am

re: #1076 subsailor68
Hey there subsailor - it's even more ridiculous - shareholders should determine exec compensation based on long term performance. Great, but whatta we pay 'em NOW?!
And hey, how's about we do the same with Congress and the President?
And while we're at it, why the hell shouldn't they ALL have to pay for the best health care in the World which they all enjoy for FREE (well, free to them, we actually pick up the tab!).

1179 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:08:54am

re: #1176 J.D.

Out of New York, iirc.

1180 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:09:01am

re: #793 realwest

Well I reckon GMTA! How are ya today?

indeed! how are you today?

1181 ctrlL  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:09:28am

re: #1130 lawhawk

Last night's local news had a spot regarding all of the recent gun crimes and he listed 6 - 10 shootings recently. Of course, the point was to suggest more gun control. Since this is MA, you cannot get more strict gun laws. It may be an interesting effort to see if any of the shooters had licenses for the guns they used. At least, the argument can be made that they were simply going against all laws and were not law-abiding gun owners. Certainly, we know that Von Brun could not have legally owned a gun since he is a convicted felon. Only way to stop shooters without licenses is for more LTC permits to be granted and free firearms training for all. ;-)

1182 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:09:34am

re: #1113 avanti

OK, logically, parse

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
into advocating child rape without a biased mindset to get you there.
Do you actually believe Letterman was joking about child rape ? If your honest answer is that was his intent, I get your outrage, even if I did not read that in the joke.

My point was that your suggested "joke" was incredibly stupid.

Since you asked, here's what I think:

He might have been joking about child rape, since sex with a minor is defined as rape - but - I imagine it's possible he didn't bother to check that it was Palin's younger daughter at the game with her. (And that is giving him a benefit of the doubt he doesn't deserve...when it comes to Palin-bashing, many liberals have demonstrated an eagerness to cross the line of decency without a bit of shame.)

In either case, his jokes are misogynistic, sick, and you can bet your ass that he wouldn't get within a thousand miles of a joke like that about Michelle Obama, or Malia, or Sasha...even when the girls are technically of age.

Letterman is a pig. He should apologize, sincerely, but he doesn't have the class.

1183 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:09:42am
1184 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:09:44am

re: #1173 J.D.

Delta cutting more capacity


I guess that makes sense.
:-/

From the article:

Suspend nonstop flights from Cincinnati to Frankfurt, Germany, and London-Gatwick.

I'm sure there was a huge demand for nonstop flights from Cincinnati to Frankfurt!
/

1185 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:09:56am

re: #1113 avanti

OK, logically, parse

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
into advocating child rape without a biased mindset to get you there.
Do you actually believe Letterman was joking about child rape ? If your honest answer is that was his intent, I get your outrage, even if I did not read that in the joke.

I don't think he was advocating child rape and I have no doubt he never paid attention to which daughter was at the ball game.
I just think he's disgusting. Of course, I will always wonder about any man in his 60s who wants to have a baby. What is the point? They are basically just a grampa then.

1186 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:10:06am

re: #1178 realwest

Hey there subsailor - it's even more ridiculous - shareholders should determine exec compensation based on long term performance. Great, but whatta we pay 'em NOW?!
And hey, how's about we do the same with Congress and the President?
And while we're at it, why the hell shouldn't they ALL have to pay for the best health care in the World which they all enjoy for FREE (well, free to them, we actually pick up the tab!).

Morning RW! Hope you're back is feeling at least a wee bit better.

LOL! On the Congress and President front, I sure do likes the way ya think!

;-)

1187 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:10:09am

re: #1132 avanti

Palin's "knocked up daughter" wasn't there. Palin's 14 year old little girl was there. He was talking about her. You can keep rationalizing and minimizing the misogynist intent of your Lefty pal, but you only expose your dishonesty.

1188 callahan23  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:10:17am

re: #1152 realwest

Why the hell is Reagan despised so much in Germany?
He's not responsible for the uniting of East and West; I thought that was something the Germans voted on themselves!

;-)
He was however involved in the 'NATO Double-Track Decision' and via that a perfect target for the budding Green & Peace Movement that got a kick-start by the NATO Double-Track Decision and organized demonstrations for nuclear disarmament on a massive scale in the early 80's. As this movement is by no means a fringe movement he was an object of hate for many Germans not only on the German political left.

Washing machine needs a refill. BBIAB

1189 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:11:00am

re: #1123 subsailor68

Morning Kilgore! I'm not sure it needs to be done. Government has never had a very good track record when it comes to business or economic issues.

I'm pretty convinced that our corporate culture has become dysfunctional. look at the guy who ran GM into the ground from 2000 to 2008. Google the stock price history. He ran the company into the ground while collecting a huge salary. He should have been booted but he was making millions for the people capable of replacing him so he stayed and they all got rich while destroying the company and hurting the economy. The financial companies were doing the same thing. I'm pretty confident that new rules can be put into place to make these companies act more responsibly.

1190 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:11:29am

re: #1033 VegasRick

Don't expect a response, I think he ran away.


No, it just takes a while to post a long comment at the end of a long thread from a connection through my cell phone, from here. I suppose I could save myself some trouble by shortening my responses to playground taunts.

1191 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:11:58am

re: #1132 avanti

That Palin's knocked up daughter was in danger of getting knocked up again if mom did not keep a eye on her. Tasteless, yes, child rape, no.

I'm pretty sure Bristol has already had the baby.

1192 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:12:10am

The bigger picture of this offensive Letterman joke about child rape it this:

You can say anything, no matter how offensive, against a conservative woman. Letterman and his audience thought it was funny. Liberals don't really see anything wrong with this behavior.

That's the bottom line.

1193 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:12:11am

re: #1174 subsailor68

Morning Iron Fist! It certainly appears that way. I wish someone could give me an example of a country or civilization that prospered under centralized economic control, because for the life of me I just can't recall one.

;-)

From Cygnet Committe, by David Bowie, some lyrics that seem appropriate:

"We had a friend, a talking man
Who spoke of many powers that he had
Not of the best of men, but Ours

We used him
We let him use his powers
We let him fill Our needs
Now We are strong

And the road is coming to its end
Now the damned have no time to make amends
No purse of token fortune stands in Our way
The silent guns of love
will blast the sky
We broke the ruptured structure built of age
Our weapons were the tongues of crying rage

Where money stood
We planted seeds of rebirth
And stabbed the backs of fathers
Sons of dirt

Infiltrated business cesspools
Hating through Our sleeves
Yea, and We slit the Catholic throat
Stoned the poor
on slogans such as

'Wish You Could Hear'
'Love Is All We Need'
'Kick Out The Jams'
'Kick Out Your Mother'
'Cut Up Your Friend'
'Screw Up Your Brother or He'll Get You In the End'

And We Know the Flag of Love is from Above
And We Can Force You to Be Free
And We Can Force You to Believe"

And I close my eyes and tighten up my brain
For I once read a book in which the lovers were slain
For they knew not the words of the Free States' refrain
It said:
"I believe in the Power of Good
I Believe in the State of Love
I Will Fight For the Right to be Right
I Will Kill for the Good of the Fight for the Right to be Right"

And I open my eyes to look around
And I see a child laid slain
on the ground
As a love machine lumbers through desolation rows
Ploughing down man, woman, listening to its command
But not hearing anymore
Not hearing anymore
Just the shrieks from the old rich

1194 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:12:17am

re: #1183 Iron Fist

but what else are you going to do? the guns are registered. It isn't like you can put them under the floor-boards in the attic.

Goshdarnit, officer, my guns just got stolen. Yep, happened just last night. Helluva thing, isn't it? Not 24 hours before the "Gun-Free DC Citizen Protection Confiscation Program" went into effect... what are the odds?

1195 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:12:29am

re: #1032 avanti

If Letterman was smart, he'd make a joke about the joke. It would go something like this:

"The other day I apologized for a tasteless joke about Palin's daughter when I said

“One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”
Well, look what the loonies on the blogs are saying about my poor choice of a joke.(pause)

"Letterman calls for the rape of a minor child." (pause) I can't make this stuff up folks.

stiick to fixing up old jalopies ... humor is not a good career for you ...

1196 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:12:32am

re: #1189 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty convinced that our corporate culture has become dysfunctional. look at the guy who ran GM into the ground from 2000 to 2008. Google the stock price history. He ran the company into the ground while collecting a huge salary. He should have been booted but he was making millions for the people capable of replacing him so he stayed and they all got rich while destroying the company and hurting the economy. The financial companies were doing the same thing. I'm pretty confident that new rules can be put into place to make these companies act more responsibly.

If there's a group expert in that, it is the United States Congress.

/But who will teach them how to do the second part?

1197 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:12:40am

re: #1181 ctrlL

Last night's local news had a spot regarding all of the recent gun crimes and he listed 6 - 10 shootings recently. Of course, the point was to suggest more gun control. Since this is MA, you cannot get more strict gun laws. It may be an interesting effort to see if any of the shooters had licenses for the guns they used. At least, the argument can be made that they were simply going against all laws and were not law-abiding gun owners. Certainly, we know that Von Brun could not have legally owned a gun since he is a convicted felon. Only way to stop shooters without licenses is for more LTC permits to be granted and free firearms training for all. ;-)

We are seeing a lot of that in Milwaukee today. 18 year old shot two cops who approached him (both will live) to question him yesterday after three or four non-lethal and one lethal shooting the night before. It turns out that the 18 year old had a straw man buy the gun for him. Tougher laws would have done nothing to stop this.

1198 irish rose  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:13:24am

I have a job interview to prep for, so I'm off until later this afternoon.
I leave you all this morning, with a wink and a limerick:

There once was a lady named Cager,
Who as the result of a wager,
Consented to fart
The entire oboe part
Of Mozart's quartet in F-major.

/later

1199 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:13:28am

re: #1181 ctrlL

Last night's local news had a spot regarding all of the recent gun crimes and he listed 6 - 10 shootings recently. Of course, the point was to suggest more gun control. Since this is MA, you cannot get more strict gun laws. It may be an interesting effort to see if any of the shooters had licenses for the guns they used. At least, the argument can be made that they were simply going against all laws and were not law-abiding gun owners. Certainly, we know that Von Brun could not have legally owned a gun since he is a convicted felon. Only way to stop shooters without licenses is for more LTC permits to be granted and free firearms training for all. ;-)

I live in a town in MA that has a rod and gun club, and there is a big gun store in the next town.

1200 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:14:11am

Btw, good morning from the Adirondacks. Cloudy here, with rain forecast. Fine by me, just finished reseeding a large portion of the back yard. Now comes part 2, sitting back with some beer and watching for germination. That oughta be good for a couple days, I hope.

1201 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:14:18am

re: #1077 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey I think it's safe to say that they will. My most recent former wife and I are Charter Members of the US Holocaust Museum and early on I wrote to them (before they opened) to triple check their security and they replied (no form, being a Charter Member means you give 'em LOTS of dough!) "We have that covered very well Mr. Realwest. Our Security advisors are all former members of Mossad and the IDF". I'd think the one their building by you would be at least as secure.

1202 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:14:27am

re: #1194 Occasional Reader

Goshdarnit, officer, my guns just got stolen. Yep, happened just last night. Helluva thing, isn't it? Not 24 hours before the "Gun-Free DC Citizen Protection Confiscation Program" went into effect... what are the odds?

I guess them criminals are grabbing all the guns they can git afore the law takes 'em away from the people.

1203 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:14:53am

re: #1199 Kosh's Shadow

I live in a town in MA that has a rod and gun club, and there is a big gun store in the next town.

The guns in MA will be "found" to have come from other states with "lax gun laws". See "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and "Mexico" for recent similar cases.

/

1204 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:15:07am

re: #1189 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty convinced that our corporate culture has become dysfunctional. look at the guy who ran GM into the ground from 2000 to 2008. Google the stock price history. He ran the company into the ground while collecting a huge salary. He should have been booted but he was making millions for the people capable of replacing him so he stayed and they all got rich while destroying the company and hurting the economy. The financial companies were doing the same thing. I'm pretty confident that new rules can be put into place to make these companies act more responsibly.

Stockholders should have more control over executive compensation, not the government.
I worked for a company run into the ground by someone who got paid 4.6 million for the job, and that seems like so little now.

1205 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:15:59am

re: #1190 haakondahl

No, it just takes a while to post a long comment at the end of a long thread from a connection through my cell phone, from here. I suppose I could save myself some trouble by shortening my responses to playground taunts.

Twas a joke. And at least 2 folks found it funny. And it was pointed at 2 adults not a 14 or 18 year old gal.

1206 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:16:18am

re: #1158 Kenneth

Mullah Issues Fatwa to Rig Votes

Funny he should mention Venezuela, isn't it?

* * *
He could have mentioned ACORN instead.

1207 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:16:42am

re: #1189 Killgore Trout

While that's a good example of bad management, I place the blame for that situation on the shareholders. Whether or not they have (or had) the pull to influence the board or compensation committee or not, they did have the ability to vote with their pocketbooks. Selling their stock (which would have been a good move anyway in those circumstances) would have sent a powerful message.

Government stepping it and replacing executives or board members doesn't seem like an especially good idea to me. Who do they choose as replacements?

Again, examples like Amtrak, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the SSA, and the USPS point out the problem. Government selected the execs there, and what did we get?

1208 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:16:55am

re: #1157 haakondahl

I agree. It is very difficult to disagree with this. It is an easy win for decent folks.
Now if we insist on putting words in his mouth, and criticising him for something that he did not do, then all he has to do is win THAT argument, and the whole thing turns to dust. Shark un-jumped, we lose again.

Anybody who professes to also "not understand" how this has anything to do with elections is still not being honest, or incredibly dense.
We want Letterman's head on a pike, because of the disgusting and vicious comments he sees fit to issue about minor children. But by conflating it with criminal action, "calling for", all we do is paint ourselves as the enemies of Free Speech. If we prove that we cannot (or more sinisterly will not) understand the difference between what is distasteful and what is criminal, we will certainly not win any elections any time soon. And for those who wish to put even more words in my mouth, I'm not saying that THIS ISSUE is going to cost us an election. It is this MODE OF ARGUMENT WHICH CANNOT BE WON that will hurt us.

I must be missing something, crticising the content of the exercise of ones free speech does not equate with shutting down the speakers right.
If someone suggested that, I didn't catch it.

1209 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:17:13am

re: #1191 Eowyn2

I'm pretty sure Bristol has already had the baby.

Back in December. And she graduated from high school last month.

1210 ctrlL  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:17:22am

re: #1197 Creeping Eruption

1211 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:17:26am

re: #1203 OldLineTexan

See "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and "Mexico" for recent similar cases.

I saw that the most recent major dust-up between the Mexican police and one of the cartels involved (among other things) hand grenades.

No doubt those grenades were purchased in a Texas Wal-Mart.

1212 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:18:07am

re: #1198 irish rose

The more you post here, the more I like you. :) Good luck with the interview.

1213 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:18:12am

re: #1133 Alouette

The Virgin Test

What do virgins eat for breakfast?

1214 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:19:10am

re: #1203 OldLineTexan

The guns in MA will be "found" to have come from other states with "lax gun laws". See "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and "Mexico" for recent similar cases.

/


I can hear Deval Patrick now stealing a line from 0bama. 90% of the weapons in MA are coming through NH. Being a former NCO and infantryman it really pisses me off that I have to take a hunter safety course to get my firearm license. And have to have that for a period of time before I am allowed to apply for a license to carry concealed.

1215 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:19:18am

re: #1213 Eowyn2

What do virgins eat for breakfast?

I'll bite. I don't know, what do virgins eat for breakfast?

1216 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:19:47am

Want to hear something disturbing?

Imagine this...chatter of power tools...quiet...followed by 'Oops'.

I don't have the heart to ask 'What?'

1217 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:19:59am

re: #1209 Dianna

Back in December. And she graduated from high school last month.

* * * *
Bristol graduated from high school with high grades, despite being a young parent made into a national joke for having a baby instead of an abortion.

1218 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:20:10am

From The People's Cube:
Socialized Healthcare: No Drugs For The Useless!

The so-called "Alzheimer's patients" selfishly take expensive medications to delay the inevitable! Someone should tell these people that they have an INCURABLE illness. And in five minutes when they forget what they were told, we should tell them AGAIN!
1219 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:20:13am

I suspect some lizards don't truly understand why there is so much deep hatred/resentment directed at Sarah Palin and family. It's not the fact that she's a gun toting free market republican. It is clearly and solely that she is Pro-Life and this position of hers creates this target the pro-abortion folk continue to paint on her back.

1220 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:20:14am

Hey Y'all - I'm sorry to say this but you know Letterman isn't important or significant enough to waste all the time and veribage that has been thrown at him out here this morning.
There really are IMPORTANT things to discuss, not what some hack "entertainer" said that was in extremely poor taste, no matter how you parse what he said.
I mean Letterman just doesn't matter that much.

1221 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:20:19am

re: #1214 soxfan4life

I can hear Deval Patrick now stealing a line from 0bama. 90% of the weapons in MA are coming through NH. Being a former NCO and infantryman it really pisses me off that I have to take a hunter safety course to get my firearm license. And have to have that for a period of time before I am allowed to apply for a license to carry concealed.

Least he could get a concealed carry license. I cant.

1222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:20:42am

re: #1216 razorbacker

Want to hear something disturbing?

Imagine this...chatter of power tools...quiet...followed by 'Oops'.

I don't have the heart to ask 'What?'

"oops" is better than "aughh!"

1223 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:21:14am

re: #1216 razorbacker

Want to hear something disturbing?

Imagine this...chatter of power tools...quiet...followed by 'Oops'.

I don't have the heart to ask 'What?'

Well, "Oops" is better than "ARRRGH! OWW! OWWW! OWW! Call an ambulance!"

1224 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:21:27am

re: #1222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"oops" is better than "aughh!"

Or that high-pitched screech of a a saw hitting a knot (or bone)

1225 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:21:40am

re: #1184 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm sure there was a huge demand for nonstop flights from Cincinnati to Frankfurt!
/

Hey, anything to eliminate stopping in Atlanta... waiting to get to the gate just long enough to call into question your next connection... which most likely will not be at a gate anywhere near where you arrived... all this and you have to pay $15 for your first bag and $25 for the second...

No wonder they have financial problems.

1226 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:22:03am

re: #1215 Creeping Eruption

I'll bite. I don't know, what do virgins eat for breakfast?

Cherry - ho's?

1227 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:22:43am

re: #1219 unrealizedviewpoint

I suspect some lizards don't truly understand why there is so much deep hatred/resentment directed at Sarah Palin and family. It's not the fact that she's a gun toting free market republican. It is clearly and solely that she is Pro-Life and this position of hers creates this target the pro-abortion folk continue to paint on her back.

* * * * *
I agree that's a big unspoken part of the brutal animus against these women, mother & daughter, for having babies the Left would automatically abort under any circumstance.

1228 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:23:11am

re: #1215 Creeping Eruption

I'll bite. I don't know, what do virgins eat for breakfast?

you'd know if you were a virgin.

1229 Shug  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:23:21am

re: #1219 unrealizedviewpoint

I suspect some lizards don't truly understand why there is so much deep hatred/resentment directed at Sarah Palin and family. It's not the fact that she's a gun toting free market republican. It is clearly and solely that she is Pro-Life and this position of hers creates this target the pro-abortion folk continue to paint on her back.


if this comment makes the BOTTOM 10, then you've proved your point

1230 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:23:24am

re: #1215 Creeping Eruption

I'll bite. I don't know, what do virgins eat for breakfast?

Nothing. They don't leave their mom's basements before noon.

1231 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:23:44am

re: #1230 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL

1232 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:23:46am

re: #1220 realwest

Hey Y'all - I'm sorry to say this but you know Letterman isn't important or significant enough to waste all the time and veribage that has been thrown at him out here this morning.
There really are IMPORTANT things to discuss, not what some hack "entertainer" said that was in extremely poor taste, no matter how you parse what he said.
I mean Letterman just doesn't matter that much.

This ain't about Littleman, this is about Sarah and the incessant liberal attacks upon her & family.

1233 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:23:48am

re: #1219 unrealizedviewpoint

I suspect some lizards don't truly understand why there is so much deep hatred/resentment directed at Sarah Palin and family. It's not the fact that she's a gun toting free market republican. It is clearly and solely that she is Pro-Life and this position of hers creates this target the pro-abortion folk continue to paint on her back.

I find it incredibly ironic that the same people who tell me that Sarah Palin is a joke make every effort to put her down and discredit her and her family they possibly can. I only wish that I could strike as much fear into the hearts of liberals everywhere that Sarah Palin does.

1234 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:24:26am

re: #1176 J.D.
Early '90's? Really? Musta been on cable or non-network TV cause I remember a surprisingly good part of the '90's!

1235 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:24:27am

re: #1228 Eowyn2

you'd know if you were a virgin.

I'm failing these virgin tests left and right here.

1236 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:24:28am

re: #1204 Kosh's Shadow

Stockholders should have more control over executive compensation, not the government.

If you read the article that's what they're talking about. right now the stockholder's votes are non-binding. They're talking about changing the rules to allow these companies to run more healthy for the long term.

1237 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:24:30am

re: #1103 VegasRick

Did I say you? haakondahl posted that he now HAD to defend letterman.


Against what? And how much do I like that? Way to cherry-pick. It's a form of lying, and it won't win us elections, because we don't have the media on our wide. You would think that even that practical consideration would register, if nothing else.
You choose to misunderstand my position, which is your business, then to misrepresent it, which is my business, you lying piece of shit.

1238 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:25:18am

re: #1222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #1223 Kosh's Shadow

re: #1224 Creeping Eruption

All valid points. It's allright. He just stuck his head out of the attic opening and said, "Don't worry, I can fix it."

When this is all over, I'm going somewhere nice and quiet and cool and have myself a soothing nervous breakdown.

I've worked hard for it, folks have predicted it for years, and by golly, I deserve it.

1239 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:25:21am

BTW, the Miranda rights story from the other day is bogus.

1240 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:25:39am

re: #1220 realwest

Hey Y'all - I'm sorry to say this but you know Letterman isn't important or significant enough to waste all the time and veribage that has been thrown at him out here this morning.
There really are IMPORTANT things to discuss, not what some hack "entertainer" said that was in extremely poor taste, no matter how you parse what he said.
I mean Letterman just doesn't matter that much.

* * * *
Respectfully disagree, Realwest.

Pres. Obama just ordered jihadists get Miranda rights, heck, life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness, for getting caught trying to send Americans to allah.

Whereas the left blithely routinely expects women to abort American babies from 7 weeks to full term.

Houston, there is a problem when terrorists get more respect from our liberals, than small Americans do.

1241 ctrlL  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:25:39am

re: #1210 ctrlL
Creeping Eruption:
That was one of the incidents reported.
re: #1199 Kosh's Shadow

There are at least 5 R & G clubs within 1 mile of me; probably 10 within 5 miles of me. Still room for a few houses too !
/a few liberals still left around here though

1242 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:25:51am

re: #1236 Killgore Trout

If you read the article that's what they're talking about. right now the stockholder's votes are non-binding. They're talking about changing the rules to allow these companies to run more healthy for the long term.

OK; allowing shareholder votes is good, but then we wouldn't need a "Pay Commissar" in the government.

1243 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:26:07am

i have to get work done.

1244 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:26:26am

re: #1220 realwest

Hey Y'all - I'm sorry to say this but you know Letterman isn't important or significant enough to waste all the time and veribage that has been thrown at him out here this morning.
There really are IMPORTANT things to discuss, not what some hack "entertainer" said that was in extremely poor taste, no matter how you parse what he said.
I mean Letterman just doesn't matter that much.

Real, I think that what is going on & Why it interests me is that Letterman by his comments put a face on the vicous wing of the Left.
The discussion has a lot to do with the double standard. Even mentioning Obamas middle name during the campaign brought howls from Liberals. If anybody slimed the Obama children , I think that they would get a visit.
Why is the Palin family fair game? The discussion is beyond Letterman imo.

1245 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:26:34am

Flying pig moment - I just read a thread on DU about the Letterman joke and some of them were actually offended. Others (most) support saying anything about ANY Palin family member. But some took it as a rape joke.

1246 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:26:37am

re: #1235 Creeping Eruption

I'm failing these virgin tests left and right here.

Maybe we can back-date one for you?

*I'm just sayin', is all!*

1247 SlartyBartfast  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:27:50am

re: #1233 soxfan4life

Indeed! The immediate reaction of the media to McCain's VP pick was instant panic. Instead of feeling that special "tingle" in his leg, I expect Chris Matthews felt water running down his leg...

1248 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:27:59am

re: #1192 Kenneth

The bigger picture of this offensive Letterman joke about child rape it this:

You can say anything, no matter how offensive, against a conservative woman. Letterman and his audience thought it was funny. Liberals don't really see anything wrong with this behavior.

And they never will, as long as they can dismiss us as lying and spinning for every Coulter-esque morsel of fleeting political advantage at the expense of winning arguments that people will care about more than a week later.

1249 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:29:03am

re: #1229 Shug

if this comment makes the BOTTOM 10, then you've proved your point

Shug, I mostly don't get many dings either way. :(
But I do get quoted, a lot. :)

1250 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:29:08am

re: #1239 Killgore Trout

BTW, the Miranda rights story from the other day is bogus.

That's a relief.

1251 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:30:25am
1252 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:30:26am

re: #1239 Killgore Trout

BTW, the Miranda rights story from the other day is bogus.

linky?

1253 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:30:39am

Italians street fights over Crazy Khaddafy's inexplicable visit to Rome. (Fox News)

1254 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:30:43am

re: #1171 Occasional Reader

I kind of like "brown chicken, brown cow". (Hat tip: Fat Bastard Vegetarian, I think.)

*ahem!*

1255 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:31:11am
1256 ctrlL  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:31:38am

re: #1214 soxfan4life

I can hear Deval Patrick now stealing a line from 0bama. 90% of the weapons in MA are coming through NH. Being a former NCO and infantryman it really pisses me off that I have to take a hunter safety course to get my firearm license. And have to have that for a period of time before I am allowed to apply for a license to carry concealed.

Those are all BS and only choices made by your police chief. They are not State law. If your Town does not have a 'strong Chief' law you could go to the Board of Selectmen or Mayor to complain. Hell, try it anyways. Get a few members of local organizations that agree with you and go to the televised meetings and speak to them on camera and ask for answers. The public needs to know what you are dealing with. Are you a member of GOAL? They may be able to help you out. Good luck !

1257 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:31:59am

re: #1234 realwest

Early '90's? Really? Musta been on cable or non-network TV cause I remember a surprisingly good part of the '90's!

It was on in the middle of the night, as I recall. Perhaps that's why you don't remember it...you're a normal person, not a musician like me. : )

The Chelsea stunt was not cool...but it was nothing compared to what the Palin kids have been subjected to.

1258 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:31:59am

re: #1188 callahan23
OK, I'm still confused - from your wiki link:

The disarmament negotiations which started on November 30, 1981 remained without conclusion. The German Bundestag agreed to the deployment in 1983, whereupon the Soviet Union aborted the negotiations.

On December 8, 1987 the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty was signed between the United States and the Soviet Union which provided the destruction of all middle range weapons and ended this episode of the Cold War

[emphasis added, realwest]
So why do the Germans hate Reagan (not that I really care about what they think about him)?

1259 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:32:15am

re: #1237 haakondahl

Against what? And how much do I like that? Way to cherry-pick. It's a form of lying, and it won't win us elections, because we don't have the media on our wide. You would think that even that practical consideration would register, if nothing else.
You choose to misunderstand my position, which is your business, then to misrepresent it, which is my business, you lying piece of shit.re: #899 haakondahl

If any of you blockheads ever want to win an election again, pull your heads out of your asses. Do you know how pissed off I am that you are so wrong that I now have to DEFEND Letterman from your intentional "misunderstanding" of what he said?And that in order to maintain that facade of misunderstanding, it is necessary to intentionally misunderstand what I said? And what Avanti said?
This is pathetic!
Letterman should shut up, go away, no longer draw revenue, apologize, be cancelled, all of the above, for his tacky, abusive and un-funny joke at the expense of a little girl.
But you lose the fucking argument when you start LYING about what he said. He didn't "CALL FOR" anything! There's a huge fucking difference.

Who's the fucking liar now fuckhead.

1260 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:32:29am

re: #1250 Dianna

I finally got around to looking into it and the story is based on the statement from a singly dopey Republican senator. Nobody else has every heard of it before. I don't know why people make shit like that up, I guess they think it gets them some sort of political gain.

1261 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:32:31am

re: #1234 realwest

Early '90's? Really? Musta been on cable or non-network TV cause I remember a surprisingly good part of the '90's!

Television show
Limbaugh had a syndicated half-hour television show from 1992 through 1996, produced by Roger Ailes. The show discussed many of the topics on his radio show, and was taped in front of a live audience.
I don't recall it being on a cable station...

I had some girlfriends who went to NY shopping and attended the taping.

1262 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:34:45am

re: #1257 capitalist piglet

It was on in the morning where I was.

1263 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:34:50am

re: #1239 Killgore Trout

BTW, the Miranda rights story from the other day is bogus.

delinky?

1264 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:35:47am

re: #1255 buzzsawmonkey

I would like to be fully relieved.

Hey, this is massage therapy, not a massage parlor, mister.

1265 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:35:54am

A liberal friend was heaping some Palin hate in my direction the other evening pointing out how dumb the woman is. I stopped her, and asked why do you think this? Give me an example? *Crickets*
I asked again and again. *Crickets* Finally..she brought up the Tina Fey, I can see Russia from my house routine.

1266 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:35:56am

re: #1262 J.D.

It was on in the morning where I was.

Were you in the east? Here in the Pacific Northwest, I think it was on at about 3:00AM.

1267 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:36:10am

Good morning!

It's a wet, humid day
My dog wants to play
I'm feeling gay
(In the old-fashioned way)
Yippee-kay-yay!

1268 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:36:18am

re: #1251 buzzsawmonkey

Letterman is the respectably grinning, gap-toothed, Alfred E. Neuman face of reflexive hatred towards anything on the political spectrum that is rightward of center-left.

Letterman does all of his sliming with that goofy gap toothed grin, you are right.
The implicatins is , "Hey, I'm a bumpkin, just trying to have fun.
He gets gratified by the studio audience laughing at anything, they showed up to laugh. The silence from the Left on this is very telling.
I do thaink that Sarah Palin scares the them to death.

1269 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:36:28am

re: #1255 buzzsawmonkey
Sorry, forgot to link....

U.S. Lawmaker Says Obama Administration Ordered FBI to Read Rights to Detainees

A senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee is accusing the Obama administration of quietly ordering the FBI to start reading Miranda rights to suspected terrorists at U.S. military detention facilities in Afghanistan.
...
Rogers, a former FBI special agent who served in the U.S. Army, just returned from Afghanistan and a visit to Bagram Air Base, where he said the rights are being read.

"I witnessed it myself, talked to the people on the ground," he said. "What you have is two very separate missions colliding in the field in a combat zone. Again, anytime that you offer confusion in that environment that's already chaotic and confusing enough, you jeopardize a soldier's life."


The whole story is based on one guy's statement. I don't even think Miranda rights are still required for normal police arrests here in the states anymore. The story just doesn't pass the sniff test. I suppose it's just a lie to make Obama look weak on terrorism.

1270 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:37:34am

re: #1218 Kosh's Shadow
They are fucking weasles. I'd put a curse on 'em if I believed in that sort of thing.
Piss-Poor examples of "human beings".

But thank you for posting that and providing the link.

1271 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:38:26am

re: #1269 Killgore Trout

Sorry, forgot to link....

U.S. Lawmaker Says Obama Administration Ordered FBI to Read Rights to Detainees


The whole story is based on one guy's statement. I don't even think Miranda rights are still required for normal police arrests here in the states anymore. The story just doesn't pass the sniff test. I suppose it's just a lie to make Obama look weak on terrorism.

Of course miranda rights are still required when arrested. You don't get arrested much do you?

1272 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:38:59am

re: #1269 Killgore Trout

Nobody else has heard of it.....

U.S. commanders told FOX News soldiers are not reading Miranda rights to detainees, but those commanders could not speak to whether the FBI was doing so. The practice has not been instituted at detention facilities in Iraq or at Guantanamo Bay, according to U.S. senior military officials.

Asked if the Obama administration had ordered that Miranda rights be read to certain detainees, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said, "I have no reason to disbelieve a member of Congress. But I don't know any of the circumstances that are involved around it."

But Gibbs acknowledged that it wouldn't be a surprise to find out that it was happening.

Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd denied there has been a policy change covering detainees.

"There has been no policy change nor blanket instruction for FBI agents to Mirandize detainees overseas," he said in a statement, adding, "While there have been specific cases in which FBI agents have Mirandized suspects overseas, at both Bagram and in other situations, in order to preserve the quality of evidence obtained, there has been no overall policy change with respect to detainees."

1273 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:39:18am

re: #1271 unrealizedviewpoint

Heh, it's been a while.

1274 J.D.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:39:28am

re: #1266 capitalist piglet

Were you in the east? Here in the Pacific Northwest, I think it was on at about 3:00AM.

Sure enough... on eastern standard time. I don't recall what time it was, but it was some time between 9 AM and noon.

1275 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:41:50am

re: #1232 unrealizedviewpoint Um, no. You are trying to make it that, but it really is about Letterman. Just read the comments without reading anything into them.

1276 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:43:24am

Killgore, you said:

re: #1239 Killgore Trout

BTW, the Miranda rights story from the other day is bogus.

Then, with a link that doesn't seem to support your assertion, you said:

The whole story is based on one guy's statement. I don't even think Miranda rights are still required for normal police arrests here in the states anymore. The story just doesn't pass the sniff test. I suppose it's just a lie to make Obama look weak on terrorism.

I don't see where you've shown the story is bogus, except in your own opinion. Am I missing something?

1277 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:44:05am

For the record, as an avid Palin mocker, I think Letterman went way beyond the the pale going after her kid. He should be ashamed of himself.

I do remember fat old Rush chuckling about Chelsea Clinton being the "White House dog", however. Don't recall if he apologized for that one.

1278 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #1269 Killgore Trout

So you're saying it's bogus because the report was based on "one guy's statement"? You offer no link or evidence, just a statement from another guy (you) that it is bogus.

The story is starting to get legs, as new information is coming out. This report from the LA Times does not specifically mention the word "Miranda" but it does describe a push to shift the war on terror into a crime-fighting scenario:

FBI planning a bigger role in terrorism fight


The "global justice" initiative starts out with the premise that virtually all suspects will end up in a U.S. or foreign court of law.

That will be the case whether a suspected terrorist is captured on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, in the Philippine jungle or in a mosque in Nigeria, said one senior U.S. counter-terrorism official with knowledge of the initiative.

"Regardless of where any bad guy is caught, we want the bureau to be in a position to put charges on them," the official said, adding that the Bush administration's emphasis on CIA and military operations often marginalized the FBI -- especially when it came to interrogating suspects.

1279 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:45:14am

re: #1270 realwest

They are fucking weasles. I'd put a curse on 'em if I believed in that sort of thing.
Piss-Poor examples of "human beings".

But thank you for posting that and providing the link.

Well, the link is to a humor site. The People's Cube is quite funny, but I wish Obama would realize it isn't making serious suggestions.
/sarc to the latter part about Obama. I doubt he even knows of the People's Cube

1280 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:47:34am

re: #1240 alegrias
I don't mind disagreement - in fact I kinda enjoy it.
But I honestly don't see the connection between Miranda rights for terrorists and Letterman and what he said and/or meant. Now if we were talking about that, or the economy or how Obama is - without any real doubt - trying to drag all of us into dependency on the Federal Government for damn near anything, I'd much prefer "talking" about those things.
And I think we all know that if Sarah Palin had changed some of her views so as to be seen as a liberal, she wouldn't be the subject of endless, stupid and misogynist jokes.

1281 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:49:21am

re: #1277 Cato the Elder

For the record, as an avid Palin mocker, I think Letterman went way beyond the the pale going after her kid. He should be ashamed of himself.

It was misogyny in the first degree.

1282 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:51:40am

re: #1280 realwest


But I honestly don't see the connection between Miranda rights for terrorists and Letterman and what he said and/or meant.

Don't be hard on yourself... people sometimes make the craziest connections.

Myself, I'm still working on trying to find the causal relationship between Zen Gardening and Lesbianism.

/from a couple of weeks ago

1283 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:51:58am

re: #1257 capitalist piglet
Well I'm sure you're right about the entire Palin family. But really, how many times and how many ways can we say the Left sucks and will attack anyone, man, woman or children if they sense any political or monetary return on those attacks?

1284 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:52:16am

re: #1276 capitalist piglet

see 1272

1285 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:52:52am

re: #1208 opnion

I must be missing something, crticising the content of the exercise of ones free speech does not equate with shutting down the speakers right.
If someone suggested that, I didn't catch it.


If we say that Letterman "called for the rape", then that is easily a civil complaint, and well arguably a criminal complaint. Incitements to violence rarely are protected speech, and even the Ninth Circuit would shut him down if he had actually "called for the rape" of a minor.
If we accuse him of engaging in unprotected, criminal, incitement to violence, we should have our facts straight, or the case will be thrown out (at least it will certainly not gain a conviction), and this holds true in the court of public opinion EVEN MORE than a court of law, for conservatives at least.
When was the last time a conservative got the benefit of the doubt in a majority of American media? So unless we nail it, we lose.
Letterman did not in fact "call for" the rape of anybody. So now can we get back to castigating the tasteless, tacky son of a bitch for what he actually did say? Or do we just let the media brush this whole thing under the rug by shifting to how we can't understand the difference between protected speech and criminal incitement, feeding right into their narrative that the right equals censorship?

1286 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:59:02am

re: #1269 Killgore Trout
Well you certainly could be right Killgore. OTOH, would you expect the MSM to report on this issue? Or at least report it to put it down as one person's stupid assessment "on the ground"?
And besides, no one needs to make anything up about Obama's weaknesses, they are abundantly clear.
Oh and btw,Police do still have to "Mirandize" suspects. That itself was waay overblown at the time; hell the FBI had been essentially Mirandizing people they interrogated for years before the Miranda decision.

1287 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:59:02am

re: #1281 freetoken

It was misogyny in the first degree.

And Limbaugh's was what, second degree?

1288 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:59:03am

re: #1285 haakondahl

No he did not call for rape, he is just a cretin.

1289 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:59:05am
1290 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:01:29am

re: #1288 opnion

No he did not call for rape, he is just a cretin.

Thanks. That's the only point I had. The rest is derivative.

1291 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:01:55am

re: #1279 Kosh's Shadow
A humor site, eh? Maybe they also write Letterman's material.

1292 realwest  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #1282 freetoken

Don't be hard on yourself... people sometimes make the craziest connections.

Myself, I'm still working on trying to find the causal relationship between Zen Gardening and Lesbianism.

/from a couple of weeks ago

LOL! I DO remember that and do me a favor, if you ever do find the causal link to that, please let me know!

1293 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:07:03am

re: #1287 Cato the Elder

And Limbaugh's was what, second degree?

Limbaugh picking on the young Ms. Clinton was indeed misogynistic.

1294 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:08:54am

re: #1292 realwest

LOL! I DO remember that and do me a favor, if you ever do find the causal link to that, please let me know!

Well, a lesbian couple in my town don't have a Zen garden, but they have a replica of the Statue of Liberty in front of their porch. Weird.

1295 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:09:11am
1296 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:16:22am
1297 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:18:13am

That rape joke was uncalled for. It crossed the line between bad taste and intentional infliction of mental anguish and suffering on the Palin child and her family.
Splitting hairs between whether the joke made light of the sexual assault of a minor on the one hand, or whether it actually advocated the abuse on the other hand, should not be allowed to co-opt the condemnation of the very real violence done by the joke in either case.

1298 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:23:06am

re: #1283 realwest

Well I'm sure you're right about the entire Palin family. But really, how many times and how many ways can we say the Left sucks and will attack anyone, man, woman or children if they sense any political or monetary return on those attacks?

It's in the news, because it just happened. I guess I'm not sure what's wrong with talking about it. Sure, it never changes - but that's true of almost everything we discuss here.

I hope all is well with you, r/w.

1299 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:25:24am

re: #1293 freetoken

Limbaugh picking on the young Ms. Clinton was indeed misogynistic.

It was, and it completely sucked, but at least he didn't suggest that she was having sex with an adult.

1300 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #1296 Iron Fist

Miranda rights are definately required. John Law even carries a card with the whole schpiel on it to read verbatim so that there can be no complaint of "misunderstanding". the cops will still try to get you to talk, but you just be a happy little clam and not say a word until your lawyer gets there to interceed for you. I don't know as I'd tell the cops the time of day without my lawyer present. they really mean that "anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law". I wanna talk to my lawyer. Until I do that, I have nothing more to say on any issue.

Unfortunately, your lack of communication may be perceived by the police as an apparent sign of guilt. Just sayin, that's how they think.

1301 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 11:36:18am

"The Palins have no intention of providing a ratings boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show," said Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton. "Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman."

1302 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:51:21pm

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