Klinghoffer: Von Brunn the Evolutionist

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I wondered how long it would be before a creationist tried to link the theory of evolution to the James W. Von Brunn case — I should have remembered that the Discovery Institute’s David Klinghoffer is always first with the Darwin-Hitler connection.

In his blog post yesterday at Beliefnet, Klinghoffer argues that Von Brunn’s garbled Third Reich-style musings about eugenics were derived from the theory of evolution: James von Brunn, Evolutionist.

As Klinghoffer clumsily tries to link Darwin’s theory with Hitler and James Von Brunn by citing one paragraph from Von Brunn’s book (in which he rants about the evil of “miscegenation”), he notes that Von Brunn doesn’t even mention Charles Darwin by name — and neither did Hitler in Mein Kampf, by the way. But that doesn’t stop Klinghoffer from making the connection anyway, and solemnly intoning:

No, he doesn’t cite Darwin by name in the part of his book that’s readable online — the first 6 of 12 chapters. But do you get the general drift? And you want to tell me that ideas don’t have consequences?

But even if some distorted version of evolutionary theory was part of Von Brunn’s world view, does that discredit the theory of evolution itself? Does evolution become any less of a fact because madmen use a twisted version of it — eugenics — as an ideology that justifies crimes?

Of course not; there’s no “guilt by association” here because the association is remote to the point of nonexistence.

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UPDATE at 6/11/09 12:46:28 pm:

Here’s the PDF version of Von Brunn’s “manifesto.”

It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner’s soap bottle.

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587 comments
1 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:22:02pm
2 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:22:05pm
3 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:22:53pm

Wouldn't he be an example of devolution?

4 Kragar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:23:10pm

Plenty of madmen have used the Bible to commit unspeakable evil. Should it be cast aside?

5 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:23:42pm

von brunn's mental evolution was severely stunted ... I think he was more a creation of the hitler youth mindset.

6 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:24:23pm

Anything goes to discredit rationality and science.

Agenda is strong in that one.

7 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:24:36pm

got a 90 minute meeting to attend (**snore**) ... BBL

8 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:24:53pm

A man dies and people need to play politics. On both sides. No shame.

9 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:26:00pm

re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar

A man dies and people need to play politics. On both sides. No shame.

Business as usual in the Beltway cesspool.

10 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:26:59pm

By Amanda Carpenter on June 11, 2009 into The Back StorySubscribe
Business groups are daring President Barack Obama to impose pay caps on labor union bosses in light of indications the White House will limit how much corporate executives can be paid.

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

What's good for the goose.....

11 Yashmak  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:27:13pm
Does evolution become any less of a fact because madmen use a twisted version of it — eugenics — as an ideology that justifies crimes?

No moreso than any ideology, philosophy, or theory that has been misused or distorted by folks with an agenda in the past. . .

12 danshelb  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:27:16pm

re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Shame" is becoming more and more of an unknown emotion these days.

13 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:29:08pm

re: #3 Ben Hur

Wouldn't he be an example of devolution?

I would say it's more of an offshoot branch of the evolutionary tree, which I would hope ends up becoming a stub.

14 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:29:12pm

re: #12 danshelb

"Shame" is becoming more and more of an unknown emotion these days.

Shame is for Thee, but not for Me.

15 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:30:40pm

I got two sicks comments on my blog last night from Michael Korn, the maniac who has been going around sending death threats to various evolutionists. Those comments have been deleted.

16 jvic  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:31:22pm
I wondered how long it would be before a creationist tried to link the theory of evolution to the James W. Von Brunn case...

Condemning von Brunn on this basis is almost as vile as making excuses for him.

17 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:31:27pm

re: #15 Alouette

I got two sicks comments on my blog last night from Michael Korn, the maniac who has been going around sending death threats to various evolutionists. Those comments have been deleted.

Has anyone reported him to the FBI?

18 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:31:46pm

OT, but the UN shows what side they're on:
Did UNIFIL Help Arrest 'Spies for Israel'?

United Nations Forces in Lebanon (UNIFIL) may have been involved in arresting Lebanese citizens suspected of spying for Israel. The story was reported Thursday by Spanish media and by Israel's Channel 10 news.

Channel 10 obtained video footage in which a Spanish UNIFIL commander states that his troops worked with Lebanese troops to arrest alleged spies for Israel in primarily Shiite Muslim areas. The taped conversation allegedly took place two days ago.

If the accusations of UNIFIL involvement are true, it would represent a serious breach of protocol for the force. UNIFIL has been charged with ensuring that Hizbullah does not rebuild its weapons supplies – a task at which it has failed, according to Israeli intelligence experts and to Hizbullah itself – but has not been authorized to take part in internal Lebanese affairs or in other military operations.

Spanish officials have denied involvement in the Lebanese spy affair. Rumors that Spanish troops were involved were based on “misunderstanding,” they said Thursday.

19 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:33:20pm

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

OT, but the UN shows what side they're on:
Did UNIFIL Help Arrest 'Spies for Israel'?

Another reason for Israel NOT to trust any International Organizations or the EU.

20 KingKenrod  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:33:36pm

Klinghoffer's getting torn to shreds in the comments at beliefnet.

21 Last Mohican  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:33:44pm

re: #15 Alouette

I got two sicks comments on my blog last night from Michael Korn, the maniac who has been going around sending death threats to various evolutionists. Those comments have been deleted.

That's awful. Whom does this creep define as an "evolutionist?" Would that include science teachers? Bloggers who defend science? Scientific researchers? Or just anyone who understands science?

22 Yashmak  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:33:49pm

What a despicable article. VonBrunn goes so far as to note that what he's describing is more in line with the Nazi's eugenical ideology than with evolution as a whole. But it doesn't stop the author from making the leap anyway.

Who cares what VonBrunn really said, when you can twist it to your purposes, eh?

23 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:33:50pm

But didn't one of Von Brunn's rantings have to do with his dark suspicions about "Mendelians" or some such thing? I thought there was something in there that was explicitly, rabidly ANTI-evolution, no?

24 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:33:57pm

Jeremiah Wright: 'Them Jews' Keeping Him from Obama
By David Waters

A day before an anti-Semitic gunman shot and killed a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington, controversial Chicago pastor Jeremiah Wright was making news with some anti-Jewish comments of his own.

In a Tuesday evening interview, Wright told a Virginia reporter that Jewish members of the White House staff had kept him from talking to his former church member, President Obama, since last November's election.

"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me," Wright told the Daily Press in Newport News, Va. "I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office."

Wright was interviewed after he spoke Tuesday evening at the 95th annual Hampton University Ministers' Conference in Newport News.

Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side. He presided over Barack and Michelle Obama's wedding. But the Obamas left the church last spring after Wright's controversial sermons came to light, including remarks that the U.S. government may have introduced AIDS into the black community.

In Tuesday's interview, Wright said, "Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing [by] the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel."

Sounds like Von Brunn was a Wright-winger.

25 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:34:08pm

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

OT, but the UN shows what side they're on:
Did UNIFIL Help Arrest 'Spies for Israel'?

I never had a lot of doubt what side they were on for a number of years.

26 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:34:33pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Has anyone reported him to the FBI?

He's been reported missing 2 years ago after sending a bunch of death threats to University of Colorado professors. Damn, I should have grabbed his IP. Wasn't thinking.

27 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:34:43pm

Digging up posts from the ramblings of various psychopaths and thinking that you can find some universal political truth from them is absurd. The Museum shooter seems to have hated everyone from George W. Bush to Golda Meir. He was an anti-semitic nutbag.
Kinda like Rev. Wright, but without the congregation and with millions of dollars.

28 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:35:25pm

President Barack Obama said that he was not interested in a system of nationalized health care but does believe a single-payer system has some appeal.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

What doe she think a Single-Payor system is?

29 Gus  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:35:37pm

It was only a matter of time. While reading through some of von Brunn's writings on the internet yesterday I predicted that the far-right would cast him as a Darwinist and make illogical associations from there. Note the same tired analysis of Darwin and Hitler. Then if he is is cast as being "anti-Christian" he they will conclude "oh so he must be an atheist!"

Adding to that they will use the neo-revisionism of Jonah Goldberg and apply the neo-Nazi's are really left wing socialists. Thus the sound byte from the far-right mainstream will read: von Brunn is a Darwinist, atheist, socialist. This is bad as reading the association of the GOP with Von Brunn from the various far-left pundits.

30 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:36:03pm

Here's the PDF version of Von Brunn's "manifesto:"

[Link: loveforlife.com.au...]

It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:36:06pm

This old Nazi bastard is everywhere today. There's something for everyone with an axe to grind.

A lot of this is because the general public is simply misinformed about the extreme right, a result of the dominant media culture's consistent desire to associate its critics with Nazis and weirdos.

32 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:36:14pm

re: #23 Occasional Reader

Here are 350pp of FACTS condensing libraries of information about the Talmud, Democracy, Marx, Genetics, Money, Aryans, Negroes, Khazars, The Holy Bible, Treason, Mass-media, Mendelism, Race, the “Holocaust” and a host of suppressed “bigoted” subjects, all supported by quotations from many of history’s greatest personages. Learn who is responsible for the millions of Aryan crosses covering the world’s battlefields. Why our sons and daughters died bravely but in vain. Learn why the “browning of America will alter everything in society from politics and education to industry, values and culture.”

You can't tell if he was pro-Mendelism or anit-Mendelism, but you can bet he had something weird to say about it.

33 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:36:23pm

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

If the accusations of UNIFIL involvement are true, it would represent a serious breach of protocol for the force.

I'd say that's putting it mildly.

Disgusting, if true.

34 Buster  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:37:27pm

I would think that someone who so hated his fellow man would not be comfortable coming from the same family tree as Jews and Blacks.

35 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:37:32pm

The hatred of Darwin is palpable. Setting up G-d v. Darwin is very, very unwise, my friends.

Darwin had a divine insight into the workings of life on earth. And that's something for which I'm very, very grateful.

36 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:37:43pm

re: #33 Occasional Reader

I'd say that's putting it mildly.

Disgusting, if true.

But at least they are doing a great job preventing Hezbollah from re-arming?
/

37 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:37:58pm

re: #30 Charles

Here's the PDF version of Von Brunn's "manifesto:"

[Link: loveforlife.com.au...]

It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

Of a what?!

38 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:38:40pm

Exclusive: North Korea to Match U.N. Resolution With New Nuclear Test
U.S. intelligence officials are warning President Obama that North Korea intends to conduct another nuclear test in response to passage of a U.N. Security Council resolution this week condemning the communist country for its recent nuclear and ballistic missile tests, FOX News has learned.

By James Rosen

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Le the good times roll

39 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:38:54pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader

Of a what?!

Whatever it is, it sounds like a lye.

40 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:39:02pm

Dr. Bronner's soap.

The things I learn here.

41 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:39:04pm

re: #26 Alouette

He's been reported missing 2 years ago after sending a bunch of death threats to University of Colorado professors. Damn, I should have grabbed his IP. Wasn't thinking.

I have a suspicion that someone is helping him.

42 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:39:22pm

Let's wish Mr. Von Brunn a speedy recovery so he can spew this stuff from the witness stand.

43 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:39:34pm

re: #30 Charles

Here's the PDF version of Von Brunn's "manifesto:"

[Link: loveforlife.com.au...]

It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

Um, silly question, Charles, but what is a "Dr. Bronner's soap bottle"? I'm unfamiliar with the object. (Usually buy bar soap, not the liquid kind.)

44 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:39:45pm

re: #28 Nevergiveup

President Barack Obama said that he was not interested in a system of nationalized health care but does believe a single-payer system has some appeal.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

What doe she think a Single-Payor system is?


I heard an Obama sound bite on the radio debunking those that call his plans for the Medical Delivery system Socialist.
He sounded very disingenuous, there are degrees of socialism.
Mandating benefits & reimbursements in my mind constitutes Socailaism.

45 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:39:48pm

re: #39 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Whatever it is, it sounds like a lye.

Or if he were a Palestinian, he'd be a member of the "al-Suds Force".

46 lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:40:00pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader

Who cares? The best Chapter title was #5. Spirochetes of Jew Syphilis.

Why people lend credence to this idiots anti-Israeli rantings is beyond me.

47 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:40:36pm

re: #43 Honorary Yooper

Um, silly question, Charles, but what is a "Dr. Bronner's soap bottle"? I'm unfamiliar with the object. (Usually buy bar soap, not the liquid kind.)

See, I'm still trying to figure out what this "soap" stuff is, period.

/

48 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:40:46pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader

Of a what?!

Image: File:Dr._Bronner%27s_Magic_Soap.jpg

49 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:40:46pm

re: #40 Occasional Reader

Dr. Bronner's soap.

The things I learn here.

Thanks. That answered my #43.

50 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #37 Occasional Reader

Of a what?!

Dr. Bronner and his soap bottle.

51 Abu Lahab  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:40:57pm

You must be totally intellectually-bankrupt and out of arguments if you need the nutcase Von Brunn to discredit evolution and advance your ID hoax. That's pathetic.

52 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:41:00pm

re: #30 Charles

Here's the PDF version of Von Brunn's "manifesto:"

[Link: loveforlife.com.au...]

It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

Hates the government but didn't forget to cite to the copyright laws. LOL.

53 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:41:08pm

re: #26 Alouette

You should see if there's a reward for information leading to his capture. Oh, and watch your back!

54 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:41:10pm

re: #40 Occasional Reader

Dr. Bronner's soap.

The things I learn here.

SHEESH!

(ditto!)

55 J.S.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:41:13pm

OT

CNN's Rick Sanchez is now using the white supremacist shooting to make claims that Muslims in Amerikkka are treated differently. He cites the case of Arar (the Canadian who had dual citizenship and was sent to Syria shortly after 9/11 -- the same Arar who recently in excess of 10 million dollars in a settlement based on Arar's verbal claims about being tortured. Arar is now suing the American government -- no doubt he figures 10 million is insufficient.) Sanchez now has on a CAIR person expressing his outrage about Amerikkka's double standards. Seems like a whole lot of loons will be making "use" (gaining political mileage) from deranged acts...

56 Buster  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:41:29pm

re: #30 Charles

Here's the PDF version of Von Brunn's "manifesto:"

[Link: loveforlife.com.au...]

It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

I love Dr Bonner's! Who would have ever thought peppermint soap could be so refreshing! It is always a part of my camping gear.

57 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:41:32pm

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Exclusive: North Korea to Match U.N. Resolution With New Nuclear Test

"Quick! Deploy more and stronger adjectives!"

-UNSC

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:42:05pm

A closeup of the classic Castille soap bottle:

Image: Dr._Bronner%27s_Magic_Soap.jpg

59 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:42:34pm

I really hate when people stick the "ism" or "ist" suffix on Darwin or evolution. There is no such thing as "Darwinism" or "Evolutionists". They are not religions, philosophies, world-views, or any other type of belief system I have failed to mention. One is a person, the other is a natural process.

Generally when I hear someone say something about "Darwinism" I usually tune out everything else they say.

But in this case "I'll play your game you rogue".

I am what this guy would call an "evolutionist" and I find the actions of Von Brunn to be absolutely disgusting and evil. How can this be, if "evolutionism" made him into a monster?

He also probably believed the sky was blue... "Blueskyism" makes you into a nazi apparently. Hitler was a vegetarian, should there be a DHS memo about vegetarian extremists possibly planning to attack synagogues? These statements are obviously ridiculous, but the connection he is grasping for, and the IDiots push with their "Darwin->Hitler" crap is just as asinine.

60 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:42:45pm

re: #48 Charles

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks.

As his father was Jewish, he pleaded with his parents to emigrate with him for fear of the then-ascendant Nazis, but they refused. His last contact with his parents was in the form of a postcard saying, "You were right. —Your loving father."[

Sheesh.

61 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:42:55pm

re: #48 Charles

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Very strange. I don't think I've ever seen one of those before.

62 Yashmak  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:42:56pm

re: #52 Creeping Eruption

That's hysterical.. . like a tax objector buying government bonds or something.

63 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:43:12pm

re: #30 Charles

Yuch! I'm going to have to disinfect my computer after reading that. I jumped to a few key sections. He hated Marx. & Freud, which pretty much negates the leftist meme. The common thread through it all was "THE JEWS".

64 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:43:16pm

re: #40 Occasional Reader

Dr. Bronner's soap.

The things I learn here.

I think I'll stick with Method soaps.

65 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:43:45pm

re: #51 Abu Lahab

You must be totally intellectually-bankrupt and out of arguments if you need the nutcase Von Brunn to discredit evolution and advance your ID hoax. That's pathetic.

Time for a bailout!

/ is it sarcasm, or is it memorex?

66 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:43:58pm

Does anyone know who the U.S. Navy Admiral was who supposedly made approving noises on Von Brunn's website?

67 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:44:21pm

re: #64 Alouette

I think I'll stick with Method soaps.

I think I'll Search for Tomorrow.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////

68 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:44:29pm

re: #58 Charles

A closeup of the classic Castille soap bottle:

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

I've read the bottle, so I'll skip the 189 page rant, thank you.

69 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:44:37pm

re: #50 FurryOldGuyJeans

Dr. Bronner and his soap bottle.


He was born in Heilbronn, Germany, to the Heilbronner family of soap makers.[1] He emigrated to the United States in 1929, dropping "Heil" from his name. As his father was Jewish, he pleaded with his parents to emigrate with him for fear of the then-ascendant Nazis, but they refused. His last contact with his parents was in the form of a postcard saying, "You were right. —Your loving father."[2]

*sigh*

70 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:44:46pm

re: #57 Occasional Reader

From Team America: World Police:

Kim Jong Il: "Oh, and bring the girl to my bedroom."

[Guards seize Sarah, and begin dragging her off.]

Kim Jong Il: "Not that one, you idiots! The pretty one!"

[Guard drop Sarah and seize Lisa, dragging her off]

Sarah: "Yes, it's always the pretty one, isn't it, not the one who has something to offer!"

71 Yashmak  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:44:57pm

re: #59 ArchangelMichael

I really hate when people stick the "ism" or "ist" suffix on Darwin or evolution. There is no such thing as "Darwinism" or "Evolutionists". .

It's an attempt to turn a theory based on evidence, into something they can treat like a belief. Facts and evidence are harder to argue against than belief, afterall.

72 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:44:59pm

re: #52 Creeping Eruption

Hates the government but didn't forget to cite to the copyright laws. LOL.

Reminds of the "anarchists" who show up at the anti-everything rallies here in DC sometimes, and then adjourn to the nearest Starbucks for Frappuccinos all around.

73 Gus  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:45:15pm

re: #66 razorbacker

Does anyone know who the U.S. Navy Admiral was who supposedly made approving noises on Von Brunn's website?

John G. Crommelin

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

74 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:45:36pm

re: #53 quickjustice

You should see if there's a reward for information leading to his capture. Oh, and watch your back!

I know all the crazies are flocking to my blog when I put up an explanation of "Tob shebbe goyim harog"

75 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:45:37pm

Kirk's Original Coco Castile Soap

/excellent Castile soap, without the religion

76 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:45:55pm

re: #23 Occasional Reader

But didn't one of Von Brunn's rantings have to do with his dark suspicions about "Mendelians" or some such thing? I thought there was something in there that was explicitly, rabidly ANTI-evolution, no?

He was. But...when has that ever stopped the creationists?

77 Last Mohican  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:46:07pm

Regarding this bizarre argument that Nazi murderers are the inevitable result of understanding evolution... I think there's a disturbing new trend in blogosphere. It used to be that people tended to draw a line between what they considered to be "left-wing" and "right-wing," and then call every person, thing, or idea on the same side of the line as them equivalently good or bad. For example, on digg.com, George Bush, John McCain, the U.S. military, Hitler, the pro-life movement, Fox News, and people who drive SUV's were all equally evil and hateworthy.

Now even the dividing line is gone. People just pick and choose stuff that they think is good, and stuff that they think is bad, and use any action to justify or blame anyone they want. So a murder committed by a neo-Nazi is considered to be Darwin's fault. Apparently Michelle Malkin recently blamed the guy's actions on the Muslims. And someone posted a spinoff link in the previous thread, in which some guest on Glenn Beck was arguing that Von Brunn is actually a leftist, so it's their fault.

78 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:46:13pm

re: #69 Ben Hur

*sigh*

I see we noticed the same thing.

Can you imagine? Last contact... wow.

79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:46:26pm

re: #58 Charles

A closeup of the classic Castille soap bottle:

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

I've used that stuff - was like getting washed with Lifesavers.

80 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:47:00pm

re: #72 Occasional Reader

Reminds of the "anarchists" who show up at the anti-everything rallies here in DC sometimes, and then adjourn to the nearest Starbucks for Frappuccinos all around.

That happens in the Great Socialist Republik of Seattle as well.

81 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:47:15pm

re: #75 Killian Bundy

Kirk's Original Coco Castile Soap

"I need more suds, Scotty!"

I cannae change the laws of physics, Captain!

82 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:47:27pm

re: #58 Charles

A closeup of the classic Castille soap bottle:

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

I drive by Dr Bronner's soap factory everyday. The entire side of the building is one giant biblical quote mill. I had no idea his product was actually popular with the natural/organic product moonbats.

83 Mithrax  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:47:37pm

re: #80 FurryOldGuyJeans

That happens in the Great Socialist Republik of Seattle as well.

Every revolution needs to stop for a coffee!

84 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:47:38pm

re: #66 razorbacker

Does anyone know who the U.S. Navy Admiral was who supposedly made approving noises on Von Brunn's website?

I believe you're thinking of this guy:

John G. Crommelin

85 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:47:39pm

re: #69 Ben Hur

One of my Jewish relatives, a veteran of the German Army in WWI, also refused to flee Hitler's Germany who offered an opportunity to do so. He had received four Iron Crosses First Class for valor in action.

Famous last words: "Hitler will never touch me. Hitler respects military courage."

86 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:48:06pm

re: #59 ArchangelMichael

I used to be a Newtonian but now I'm an Einsteinist!

87 medaura18586  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:48:10pm

Even if some distorted version of evolutionary theory Christianity was part of Von Brunn’s world view, does that discredit the theory of evolution Christianity itself? Does Christianity evolution become any less of a fact an influential religion with a meaningful impact on billions of lives because madmen use a twisted version of it — eugenics tied with religious supremacy — as an ideology that justifies crimes?

REAR ADMIRAL John G. Crommelin, USN, said this about James von Brunn:
"It is my conviction that James von Brunn deserves the gratitude and assistance of every White Christian citizen of these United States."

Two can play at this game... so sophomoric...

88 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:48:36pm

re: #79 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've used that stuff - was like getting washed with Lifesavers.

Ooh, I've had that dream, too. (Did yours have the cheerleaders, or the nurses?)

89 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:49:08pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Thanks.

*"But Unca Razorbacker, we gotta have a navy. Otherwise who's gonna drive us Marines over to the fighting?"*

90 Catttt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:49:19pm

OK. This is incredible nonsense. James Von Brunn, as quoted in the linked article, views people of different races as different species.

So Mr. Klinghoffer is trying to say that evolution is evil because an evil, racist man used genetics in a totally irrational way to support his white supremacy beliefs?

91 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:49:28pm

re: #30 Charles

Here's the PDF version of Von Brunn's "manifesto:"

[Link: loveforlife.com.au...]

It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

I looked up F.P. Yockey and this is a link high up on the list.

[Link: www.nazi.org...]

92 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:49:49pm

Can we clean up the "soap" talk please?
/sorry

93 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:50:06pm

re: #88 Occasional Reader

Ooh, I've had that dream, too. (Did yours have the cheerleaders, or the nurses?)

DOWN boy!

94 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:50:13pm

this guy is evil.

95 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:50:19pm

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can we clean up the "soap" talk please?
/sorry

Yeah, it's really making my temper bubble over...

96 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:50:31pm

Nothing like a good old reductio ad hitlerum to ruin a debate. Thanks creationists.

97 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:50:37pm

re: #85 quickjustice

One of my Jewish relatives, a veteran of the German Army in WWI, also refused to flee Hitler's Germany who offered an opportunity to do so. He had received four Iron Crosses First Class for valor in action.

Famous last words: "Hitler will never touch me. Hitler respects military courage."

IIRC, German Jews who had been awarded the Iron Cross in WWI did initially get "preferential" treatment... by being sent to the "model" concentration camp of Tereisenstadt.

Of course, later, they were all sent to Auschwitz.

98 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:50:43pm

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can we clean up the "soap" talk please?
/sorry

This thread is going down the drain...

99 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:50:56pm

re: #88 Occasional Reader

Ooh, I've had that dream, too. (Did yours have the cheerleaders, or the nurses?)

Naughty librarians.

100 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:51:04pm

Crap, forgot to turn off italics after reductio ad hitlerum

101 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:51:13pm

re: #66 razorbacker

Does anyone know who the U.S. Navy Admiral was who supposedly made approving noises on Von Brunn's website?

From Charles' link in No. 30.

John Geraerd Crommelin, Jr., Rear Admiral, USN, served in
the Pacific Theater during WWII, as Executive Officer, and Air
Officer, aboard the USS Enterprise, CV-6 (the most decorated ship
in naval history). Crommelin, was acknowledged by the crew as
the “heart and soul of the Big-E.” Later, holding the Legion of
Merit with a Gold Star; a Combat “V,” a Presidential Unit Citation,
a Letter of Commendation, and a Purple Heart, he was given
Command of the then most advanced aircraft carrier in the world,
the USS Saipan (CVL-48).

In 1949 Admiral Crommelin precipitated a Congressional
investigation that prevented powerful Communist influence
within the U.S. government from crippling the U.S. Navy and tipping
the balance of military power in favor of the Soviet Union. In
1987, Rear Admiral Crommelin was elected to the Carrier Hall of
Fame, located aboard the preserved USS Yorktown (CV-10),
Patriot's Point, Charleston, S.C. His plaque, next to that of Secretary
of the Navy James Forrestal, reads:
“In 1949 he sacrificed his 4.0 Naval career by precipitating
the ‘Admirals’ Revolt’ that saved Carrier Aviation.”

102 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #91 MandyManners

My computer wont let me go there, and it lets me go EVERYWHERE.

103 Macker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:51:56pm

re: #38 Nevergiveup

So much for the power of a strongly-worded letter of condemnation from the UN!

104 gmsc  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:52:06pm

If being an evolutionist was what drove him so batty, wouldn't he have shot up a creationist museum?

105 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:52:16pm

re: #100 wiffersnapper

Crap, forgot to turn off italics after reductio ad hitlerum

It was still funny.

106 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:52:23pm
107 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:52:39pm

re: #67 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I think I'll Search for Tomorrow.

////////////////////////////////////////////////// //

As the world is turning the bold and beautiful into saints and sinners.

108 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:52:43pm

re: #66 razorbacker

Does anyone know who the U.S. Navy Admiral was who supposedly made approving noises on Von Brunn's website?

John G. Crommelin

Rear Admiral John Geraerdt Crommelin, Jr. (October 2, 1902 – November 2, 1996) was a prominent United States Navy officer and later a frequent political candidate who championed white supremacy.

Crommelin, an aviator, had a good record in WW2 (he was air boss of the famed carrier Enterprise) but he went off the deep end afterward and was reprimanded by CNO Forrest Sherman for his public criticism of the unification of the armed forces in 1947. He retired in 1950 and became a prominent white supremacist.

109 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:53:01pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Dr. Bronner, with his world peace soap, is building Castiles in the air.

He sounds pretty andelusional to me.

110 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:53:09pm

I agree with quicksilver and others.
I want von Brunn to recover and stand trial.
I suspect his public defender won't be able to keep him muzzled.
I certainly hope not.

/a lot of eyes will be opened

111 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:53:14pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Dr. Bronner, with his world peace soap, is building Castiles in the air.

I think he was also partly responsible for the housing bubble.

112 Catttt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:53:42pm

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can we clean up the "soap" talk please?
/sorry

I'd say you're trying to whitewash the subject, but it sounds so bad, given the subject of this thread.....but I will anyway.

113 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:53:52pm

re: #102 Creeping Eruption

My computer wont let me go there, and it lets me go EVERYWHERE.

My ISP won't let me go to Stormfront.

114 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:54:13pm

re: #113 MandyManners

My ISP won't let me go to Stormfront.

Never tried.

115 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:54:19pm

re: #94 Eowyn2

this guy is evil.

Up-dinged that without knowing if you were referring to von Brunn or Klinghoffer.

/doesn't matter

116 MacDuff  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:54:26pm

To be honest, I can't seem to figure out what this Von Brunn is (was) for. He seemed to have a long hate list, which eventually consumed him, and he seemed pissed off at everyone, from the Jews to Bush and McCain. The ever-tightening circle of hate and paranoia is what eventually snapped him, combined with the fact that his life was one of total failure. His hate provided, however, provided him with constant scapegoats.

In the end, his hate was the only thing on which he could depend.

Many will point at one aspect of his life as the "defining aspect", but I don't think there was one, at least not that I can see. In the end, he was just a hateful old loser and the fact that there are people who will use his monstrousness to malign or prop up any group makes them almost as pathetic as he.

If he dies, he'll be a martyr to his ilk, and if he lives, he'll be their role model.

117 Macker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:54:34pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Dr. Bronner, with his world peace soap, is building Castiles Assholes in the air.

There, fixed that for ya!

118 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:54:34pm

re: #91 MandyManners

I looked up F.P. Yockey and this is a link high up on the list.

[Link: www.nazi.org...]

Stormfront is also high on the list of results.

119 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:54:43pm

re: #109 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He sounds pretty andelusional to me.

Nice pun. Go ahead and Basque in the glory, you've earned it.

120 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:55:18pm

Chastity Bono, civil rights advocate, journalist, author and musician, is in the early stages of changing his gender — transitioning from female to male, TMZ has learned.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

?

121 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:55:21pm

re: #115 pre-Boomer Marine brat

six of one, half dozen of the other?

122 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:55:31pm

re: #114 Creeping Eruption

Never tried.

I have. I want to see how the crazy live.

123 Mithrax  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:55:34pm

re: #119 Occasional Reader

Nice pun. Go ahead and Basque in the glory, you've earned it.

Catalan we all get along?

124 Mithrax  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:56:07pm

re: #122 MandyManners

I have. I want to see how the crazy live.

Braver than I am.

But then again I'm my own special kind of crazy, and it's not so bad :)

125 medaura18586  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:56:08pm

re: #75 Killian Bundy

Kirk's Original Coco Castile Soap

/excellent Castile soap, without the religion

I use Desert Essence: [Link: www.vitacost.com...]

Best and most cost-effective face wash on the market.

126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:56:15pm

re: #119 Occasional Reader

Nice pun. Go ahead and Basque in the glory, you've earned it.

Navarre again use that pun.

127 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:56:51pm

More on Admiral Crommelin:

A strong supporter of Senator Joe McCarthy, he ran for various public offices while in retirement.

At this time he was known for segregationist, white-supremacist and antisemitic public views. A self-styled white man's candidate, he claimed that Jews are the real enemy of white Christian Alabamians, asserting that they controlled the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

A website run by white supremacist James von Brunn featured a letter from Crommelin to von Brunn's son praising von Brunn for his service to white Christians and decrying the fact that von Brunn was experiencing legal problems in connection with von Brunn's "citizens’ arrest" attempt (effectively, a kidnapping attempt) of governors of the Federal Reserve System.

128 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:56:54pm

re: #123 Mithrax

Catalan we all get along?

Andorra you to just butt in?

129 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:57:00pm

Brunn's preface is hysterical! He seems quite fond of ALL CAPS and insane capitalization.

130 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:57:09pm

With all due respect, Charles, I think you owe Dr Bronner an apology.

He was a bit cracked, sure, but harmless and well-meaning. His parents and the rest of his family were all victims of the Holocaust. He came to America as a young man and begged his father to come over with his mother before it was too late. The last he heard from them was a postcard saying Son, you were right.

His dotty labels call for nothing more insidious than a world at peace, based on the teachings of Jesus, Hillel and others.

I may be biased - I use the peppermint soap every time I swim to get the chlorine stink out of my hair and skin - but I think mentioning him in the same sentence as a skulking hater like von Brunn is just not good form.

131 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:57:11pm

re: #107 Eowyn2

As the world is turning the bold and beautiful into saints and sinners.

Heh ... I confess to having watched a few episodes of Dark Shadows.
I think that was classified in that genre.

132 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:57:31pm

re: #120 Nevergiveup

Chastity Bono, civil rights advocate, journalist, author and musician, is in the early stages of changing his gender — transitioning from female to male, TMZ has learned.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

?

Another journalist and author? Does she own any guns? Have a wierd website?

133 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #119 Occasional Reader

Nice pun. Go ahead and Basque in the glory, you've earned it.

Careful, he'll take that for Granada.

134 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:57:45pm

re: #124 Mithrax

Braver than I am.

But then again I'm my own special kind of crazy, and it's not so bad :)

Good crazy is fun.

135 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:57:49pm

re: #91 MandyManners

I looked up F.P. Yockey and this is a link high up on the list.

[Link: www.nazi.org...]

Libertarian National Socialist Green Party?!? This has to be a joke, right?

136 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:57:52pm
137 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:58:00pm

re: #90 Catttt

OK. This is incredible nonsense. James Von Brunn, as quoted in the linked article, views people of different races as different species.

So Mr. Klinghoffer is trying to say that evolution is evil because an evil, racist man used genetics in a totally irrational way to support his white supremacy beliefs?

That's it, in a nutshell.

(Yes, I meant to do that.)

138 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:58:13pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Dr. Bronner, with his world peace soap, is building Castiles in the air.

He was full of Aragons.

139 Mithrax  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:58:27pm

re: #128 Creeping Eruption

Andorra you to just butt in?

Now now, don't you give me no lipizzaner!

140 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:58:40pm

re: #126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Navarre again use that pun.

I'll use it whenever I want to... hell, I'll sing like a Canary.

141 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:59:14pm

Man charged after beer run on mower
Jun. 6, 2009 03:10 PM
Associated Press

VASSALBORO, Maine - A Maine man has been charged with operating under the influence after he and a friend made a beer run on a riding lawn mower.

142 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:59:22pm

re: #121 Eowyn2

six of one, half dozen of the other?

Indeed.

143 Mithrax  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:59:28pm

re: #134 MandyManners

Good crazy is fun.

DAmn right.

woobwoobwoobwoobwoob!

144 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:59:30pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

I'll use it whenever I want to... hell, I'll sing like a Canary.

None of want to hear that atoll.

145 jones  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 12:59:42pm

Were a man not dead, this would be funny, ha ha funny.

146 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #144 Creeping Eruption

None of want to hear that atoll.

Really? Euskadi be kidding!

147 slokat  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:00:16pm

I never read the bottle, but the pure castille hemp peppermint is an amazing soap for cleaning up after working.

It was also the soap that was provided for your use before getting in the mineral hot springs at Esalen, that brings back memories...

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:00:34pm

re: #21 Last Mohican

That's awful. Whom does this creep define as an "evolutionist?" Would that include science teachers? Bloggers who defend science? Scientific researchers? Or just anyone who understands science?

My friend M. teaches evolution to children. She must be a Nazi. Never mind that she's black. Never mind that her church would fall apart without her tireless support. Nazi for sure.

149 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:00:35pm

re: #126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Navarre again use that pun.

He's up Aragon to do it again.

150 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:00:40pm

re: #133 Honorary Yooper

Careful, he'll take that for Granada.

Or only Asbury Park...

151 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:00:56pm

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

I recall that song, from that movie where Frodo becomes a soccer hooligan. (Now that was an odd one.)

152 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:01:07pm

re: #58 Charles

A closeup of the classic Castille soap bottle:

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

I remember it with a blue label.
And you can brush your teeth with it.

153 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:01:19pm

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

In my defense, let me point out that the wife had hidden my Jeep keys.

Oh. Maine man, not main man.

154 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:01:23pm

re: #77 Last Mohican

And someone posted a spinoff link in the previous thread, in which some guest on Glenn Beck was arguing that Von Brunn is actually a leftist, so it's their fault.

Ahem... yes, the Beckians like to shift blame.

More to your point, the framing skills of the news channels, the news hounds, and the blogosphere are being increasingly honed.

Whoever gets their idea off the line first, and repeats it the most, and the loudest, wins.

/Damn the analysis... full speed ahead!

155 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:01:34pm

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

Man charged after beer run on mower
Jun. 6, 2009 03:10 PM
Associated Press


Well after the topless coffeeshop was destroyed by fire they needed some kind of entertainment.

156 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:01:48pm

re: #147 slokat

I never read the bottle, but the pure castille hemp peppermint is an amazing soap for cleaning up after working.

It was also the soap that was provided for your use before getting in the mineral hot springs at Esalen, that brings back memories...

I used some well-diluted Bronner's in the garden this morning to kill aphids.

157 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:02:24pm

re: #26 Alouette

He's been reported missing 2 years ago after sending a bunch of death threats to University of Colorado professors. Damn, I should have grabbed his IP. Wasn't thinking.

might still be in your server logs if you contact your host

158 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:02:28pm

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles

Let us give thanks that Michael Jackson never covered that song.

[shudder]

159 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:02:32pm
160 Gus  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:02:33pm

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel

More on Admiral Crommelin:

Found this interesting photo in Life and the caption reads:

Senator John G. Crommelin (R) presenting an anti-McCarthy censure petition signatures to Vice-President Richard M. Nixon (L).

It's interesting because there's no Senator John G. Crommelin on record. I assume then that it's a mistaken caption but instead John G. Crommelin who never won an election but was a McCarthy supporter.

This is a reference to Crommelin's participation in "Ten Million Americans Mobilizing for Justice" in support of McCarthy in 1954.

161 Macker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:02:34pm

re: #121 Eowyn2

six of one, half dozen of the other?

I'll take Centauri Bisexual Jokes for $200, Alex....

162 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:08pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

No disrespect for Dr. Bronner - I was referring to the warped sentence structure, semi-random punctuation and caps, etc. I agree that Dr. Bronner's a harmless guy who makes a good product (I've used it!), and I didn't mean to say that he was anything like Von Brunn.

163 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:10pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

I'll use it whenever I want to... hell, I'll sing like a Canary.

Ibiza sick of these puns. Back to work.

164 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:15pm

re: #153 razorbacker

In my defense, let me point out that the wife had hidden my Jeep keys.

Oh. Maine man, not main man.


Isn't there a country song about that?
She forgot about my old John Deere...

165 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:22pm

re: #152 IslandLibertarian

I remember it with a blue label.
And you can brush your teeth with it.

That was an evil rumor. I didn't try it, but the woman who did told me it tastes like soap. Go figure.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:33pm

re: #30 Charles

Here's the PDF version of Von Brunn's "manifesto:"

[Link: loveforlife.com.au...]

It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

No comparison. His writing style may be similar, but Dr. Bronner's message is positive and inclusive.

167 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:40pm

re: #146 MrSilverDragon

Really? Euskadi be kidding!

I loaned you an upding. If you need another, I'll bet Cattt l'unya one, too.

168 Mithrax  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

That was an evil rumor. I didn't try it, but the woman who did told me it tastes like soap. Go figure.

Personally, I'd have guessed it would taste like crap, but who am I to argue :P

169 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:04:06pm

re: #158 Occasional Reader

Let us give thanks that Michael Jackson never covered that song.

[shudder]

Ack! I don't know whether or not to laugh or scold that one...

+1

170 Abu Lahab  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:04:15pm

This is the funniest comparison I have seen so far between Apple's OS and Microsoft's

171 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:04:18pm

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

Man charged after beer run on mower
Jun. 6, 2009 03:10 PM
Associated Press

Oh, that was predictable. Man, how drunk do you have to be to think riding your mower to the liquor store is a good idea?

172 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:04:30pm

re: #164 redstateredneck

Isn't there a country song about that?
She forgot about my old John Deere...

Maybe. But the po-po actually did arrest George Jones for the same thing.

173 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:05:03pm

re: #159 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know that film,

Green Street Hooligans. Frodo (I mean the actor, whatsisname) is a Columbia Journalism School student, who goes to England and becomes a soccer thug. If you can believe that.

174 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:05:14pm

re: #171 Dianna

Oh, that was predictable. Man, how drunk do you have to be to think riding your mower to the liquor store is a good idea?

Let's find out
/cracks open a fresh can...

175 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:05:24pm

re: #164 redstateredneck

Isn't there a country song about that?
She forgot about my old John Deere...


A little Vince Gill


176 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:05:44pm

Obama is saying about healthcare, "If you like your health plan you can keepi. If you lioke your dodtor you can keep hi. Don't let anyone scare you."
Here is the problem, if your employer opts for the publicly sponsererd plan, how do you keep your health plan?"

177 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:05:47pm

re: #163 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ibiza sick of these puns.

Jar-Jar? Is that you?

178 Mithrax  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:06:00pm

re: #174 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Let's find out
/cracks open a fresh can...

Don' woorry offisher! ish foor shiensh!

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:06:04pm

re: #55 J.S.

OT

CNN's Rick Sanchez is now using the white supremacist shooting to make claims that Muslims in Amerikkka are treated differently. He cites the case of Arar (the Canadian who had dual citizenship and was sent to Syria shortly after 9/11 -- the same Arar who recently in excess of 10 million dollars in a settlement based on Arar's verbal claims about being tortured. Arar is now suing the American government -- no doubt he figures 10 million is insufficient.) Sanchez now has on a CAIR person expressing his outrage about Amerikkka's double standards. Seems like a whole lot of loons will be making "use" (gaining political mileage) from deranged acts...

A good man is dead, and we're going to fight about who's being treated unfairly? Stephen Johns. He's been treated about as unfairly as you can be.

180 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:06:06pm
181 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:06:49pm

re: #146 MrSilverDragon

Really? Euskadi be kidding!

I think you just won the Internets.

182 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:07:12pm

re: #170 Abu Lahab

This is the funniest comparison I have seen so far between Apple's OS and Microsoft's

That's funny

183 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:07:23pm

re: #171 Dianna

Oh, that was predictable. Man, how drunk do you have to be to think riding your mower to the liquor store is a good idea?

There was a local guy here who hit a car and got a DUI on a bicycle.

184 Hhar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:07:46pm

It is hard to fault evolutionary biology for the nutcases. On the other hand, alot of nutbags with a serious axe to grind against traditional Western religion in one form or another use some odd version of Darwinain evolution as a sort of jumping off point for their weird ideas. This Von Brunn apperas to have been one. The late William Luther Pierce of utterly unlamented memory was another. The fact is that Darwinian biology is mythopoeic. (shrug) says squat about the science. On the other hand, any time you hear someone advocating it in support of an entire worldview, alarm bells should probably go off.

185 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:08:12pm

re: #176 opnion

Obama is saying about healthcare, "If you like your health plan you can keepi. If you lioke your dodtor you can keep hi. Don't let anyone scare you."
Here is the problem, if your employer opts for the publicly sponsererd plan, how do you keep your health plan?"

Obama is used to blowing smoke up people's asses and having it work. Hey My fellow Jews voted for him?

186 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:08:28pm

re: #183 redstateredneck

There was a local guy here who hit a car and got a DUI on a bicycle.

I knew a guy in my younger days who got a speeding ticket on a bicyce going too fast through a school zone.

187 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:08:34pm

Speaking of shameless, here's an OT to lighten the mood:
Monica Lewinsky makes a rare public appearance for lunchdate with showbiz friends

For the last few years Monica Lewinsky has done her best to avoid the limelight.

The 35-year-old is rarely seen in public, but was out-and-about in New York with her actor friend Alan Cumming yesterday.


I didn't make this up, honest, check the link.

188 baier  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:08:42pm
I remember it with a blue label.
And you can brush your teeth with it.

I have brushed my teeth with the stuff on camping trips, it's not so bad. I don't think it works so well...I don't think Dr. B's all in one has fluoride, but it works well enough for a few days in the woods.

189 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:09:03pm

re: #183 redstateredneck

There was a local guy here who hit a car and got a DUI on a bicycle.

My buddy Chris got a DUI on a bicycle. But that dude can recite the alphabet backwards faster than you can do it forwards.

Practice. Long practice.

190 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:09:30pm

The big enchilada

If we can somehow avoid the Sovietization of the weather, this is the chance. I'm praying that a few of the Dems in Congress aren't as power-mad as their leadership. It's our only hope.

191 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:09:40pm

re: #183 redstateredneck

There was a local guy here who hit a car and got a DUI on a bicycle.

Essentially, I have to ask people: if you can't walk a straight line, why on earth would you get onto any vehicle? Hell, every summer, the first time I get my bike out, the first ten yards are shaky - then my body remembers. But if I were drunk already, that would be a supremely idiotic move.

192 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:09:40pm

re: #180 buzzsawmonkey

Frodo seems a little weedy for a soccer hooliganship.

Yep, as a casting decision, that's got to rank right up there with Elisabeth Shue as a nuclear physicist in The Saint.

193 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:09:44pm

re: #186 soxfan4life

I knew a guy in my younger days who got a speeding ticket on a bicyce going too fast through a school zone.

Come to think of it, the reason he was on the bike was because he'd lost his license for drunk driving.

194 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:09:54pm

re: #174 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I keep picturing Hank Hill or Dale Gribble.

195 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:10:03pm

re: #173 Occasional Reader

Green Street Hooligans. Frodo (I mean the actor, whatsisname) is a Columbia Journalism School student, who goes to England and becomes a soccer thug. If you can believe that.

Sean Astin

196 jcm  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:10:48pm

Money Evolution is the root of all evil.

/ Gospel according to the Disco Institute.

197 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:10:50pm

re: #106 buzzsawmonkey

Dr. Bronner, with his world peace soap, is building Castiles in the air.

Dr. Bonner is/was/claimed to be an Essene? Now thats something you dont see everyday.

198 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:10:54pm

re: #183 redstateredneck

There was a local guy here who hit a car and got a DUI on a bicycle.

Also known as BUI. Some cyclists only ride bikes because they can't keep a driver's license. That's a good argument for cyclist licensing.

199 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:11:01pm

re: #191 Dianna

Essentially, I have to ask people: if you can't walk a straight line, why on earth would you get onto any vehicle? Hell, every summer, the first time I get my bike out, the first ten yards are shaky - then my body remembers. But if I were drunk already, that would be a supremely idiotic move.


"You're not going to try to drive are you?"

"Have to babe. I'm in no condition to walk."

200 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:11:19pm

re: #170 Abu Lahab

This is the funniest comparison I have seen so far between Apple's OS and Microsoft's


The real question is, Which one would you hire to work are your company?

201 J.S.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:11:35pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

It gives the cable "news" networks an opening to "do their politics"...and so they invite in CAIR (and for CAIR to then lament about how horribly, horribly treated Muslims are in the United States, etc.) (there's no mention of Jones).

202 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:11:54pm

re: #195 opnion

Sean Astin

Actually, I believe it was Elijah Wood.

203 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:15pm
204 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:16pm

re: #195 opnion

Sean Astin

Nope: Elijah Wood. (Sean Astin was Samwise.)

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:16pm

re: #194 Mad Al-Jaffee

I keep picturing Hank Hill or Dale Gribble.

Hank would be the one bailing Dale out.

206 zombie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:26pm

Charles, why don't you point out that Von Brunn rants against "Mendelism" (see your first post on the subject yesterday):

"Here are 350pp of FACTS condensing libraries of information about the Talmud, Democracy, Marx, Genetics, Money, Aryans, Negroes, Khazars, The Holy Bible, Treason, Mass-media, Mendelism, Race, the “Holocaust” and a host of suppressed “bigoted” subjects..."

"Mendelism" is presumably Mendelian genetics, i.e. the work of Gregor Mendel, which is the other cornerstone of modern evolutionary theory, along with Darwin's (and Wallace's) theory of "natural selection" and "descent with modification."

if anything, Von Brunn's attack on "Mendelism" points to him being a CREATIONIST, not a Darwinian.

207 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:34pm

re: #185 Nevergiveup

Obama is used to blowing smoke up people's asses and having it work. Hey My fellow Jews voted for him?

He pulls job creation numbers out of thin air. How do you prove that he's wrong?
As far as the Jewish vote for him, I am mystified.

208 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:34pm

My brother admitted to me that he walked home from the bar because he was too drunk to drive and ran into a house. I don't think there was any damage to the house, though.

209 Land Shark  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:42pm

Isn't it amazing how some fools are trying to link this wacko to their opponents? Lefties try to link this guy to neocons, but it's obvious now he hated neocons as much as he hated Jews. Now the Creationist lunatic fringe wants to link this guy with evolutionists? Crazy, man!

210 MJ  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:12:45pm

Klinghoffer is confusing Haeckel’s “scientific” Darwinism with Charles Darwin:

Many studies of the origin of National Socialism claim that the völkisch and proto-Nazi movement arose largely as a reaction to the materialistic ideas of nineteenth-century science and especially to the naturalistic philosophy of Ernst Haeckel and the German Monist League. Using hitherto unexplored material, Daniel Gasman calls this generalization into question. Arguing that the importance of science has been relatively neglected in accounts of the intellectual origins of Nazism, he attempts to show that Haeckel’s “scientific” Darwinism, and his movement, the German Monist League, were proto-Nazi in character.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]


See:

From Haeckel to Hitler:
The Anatomy of a Controversy

IN BEN STEIN’S DOCUMENTARY FILM Expelled, the erstwhile game-show host and financial columnist attempted to link Darwin to Hitler and thereby condemn the scientific theory of evolution by association with the political theory of National Socialism. The film failed, fortunately, and was thoroughly panned by the critics. But in the cultural brouhaha stirred by the film’s release and subsequent disappearance from the big screen, not enough attention has been paid to whether or not there was a historical connection between the social Darwinists of the 19th century with the National Socialists of the 20th century. It turns out that there is, through the personage of the German biologist Ernst Haeckel; but a new biography of Haeckel, published shortly after Stein exited stage left, claims to rehabilitate Haeckel by disconnecting him from German social Darwinism, and thereby exonerating evolutionary theory. Unfortunately this new biography does no such thing, for in the end we must be true to the historical facts.
Robert J. Richard’s The Tragic Sense of Life: Ernst Haeckel and the Struggle Over Evolutionary Thought2 promises to rescue Haeckel from a century and a half of disparaging assessments of his biology, and above all undertakes a refutation of the more recent and widely held belief that he was instrumental in formulating the basic tenets of Nazi ideology. The common understanding among historians about the connection between Haeckel and Hitler is this: Adolf Hitler (b. 1889) came of age during the decade and a half following the publication in 1899 of Ernst Haeckel’s Riddle of the Universe, a runaway best seller that over the next two or three decades sold more copies internationally than the Bible and profoundly shaped the consciousness of the modern world. Haeckel’s book imparted a rigid Social Darwinist message purportedly derived from science: politics is applied biology, the Jews were an inferior race compared with the Aryans, Christianity was a religion of weakness, and that eugenic action was necessary to protect the racial composition of society....

[Link: www.skeptic.com...]

211 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:13:23pm

re: #173 Occasional Reader

Green Street Hooligans. Frodo (I mean the actor, whatsisname) is a Columbia Journalism School student, who goes to England and becomes a soccer thug. If you can believe that.

Elijah whatsisname (the guy who played Frodo) has been in some awful sucking "films" since LOTR. Even his small role in "Sin City" (which did not suck) was awful.

212 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:13:42pm

re: #207 opnion

He pulls job creation numbers out of thin air. How do you prove that he's wrong?
As far as the Jewish vote for him, I am mystified.

I'm depressed

213 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:13:47pm

re: #202 MrSilverDragon

Actually, I believe it was Elijah Wood.

Your right, Sean Astin was his sidekick.

214 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:11pm

re: #207 opnion

He pulls job creation numbers out of thin air. How do you prove that he's wrong?
As far as the Jewish vote for him, I am mystified.

BDS.

215 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:19pm

re: #181 doppelganglander

I think you just won the Internets.

I'm almost afraid to claim the prize...

216 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #195 opnion

Sean Astin

Samwise Gamgee.

217 Digital Display  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:25pm

re: #191 Dianna

Essentially, I have to ask people: if you can't walk a straight line, why on earth would you get onto any vehicle? Hell, every summer, the first time I get my bike out, the first ten yards are shaky - then my body remembers. But if I were drunk already, that would be a supremely idiotic move.


I made the mistake of roller skating in Golden State park once...I was sober..But man did i wear bruises of stupidity..:)

218 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:30pm
219 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:38pm

re: #209 Land Shark

Isn't it amazing how some fools are trying to link this wacko to their opponents? Lefties try to link this guy to neocons, but it's obvious now he hated neocons as much as he hated Jews. Now the Creationist lunatic fringe wants to link this guy with evolutionists? Crazy, man!

That's human nature. People want to associate a bad actor with those they oppose, as much as want to claim as their own someone they admire.

220 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:40pm
221 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:44pm

re: #190 Lincolntf

The big enchilada

If we can somehow avoid the Sovietization of the weather, this is the chance. I'm praying that a few of the Dems in Congress aren't as power-mad as their leadership. It's our only hope.

I wouldn't expect much: this is a big dem patronage bill, the ones raising the loudest fuss on the other side of the aisle atm are probably angling for more carbon credits for their state's carbon lobby, but I'm optimistically hoping you are right.

222 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:14:51pm
223 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:15:07pm
224 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:15:22pm

re: #206 zombie

Charles, why don't you point out that Von Brunn rants against "Mendelism" (see your first post on the subject yesterday):

Already pointed out by [ahem] others in this thread.

(And, as Kenneth pointed out in response (#32), it's not really clear if his rant was FOR or AGAINST "Mendelism".)

225 Catttt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:15:23pm

re: #131 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh ... I confess to having watched a few episodes of Dark Shadows.
I think that was classified in that genre.

I loved Dark Shadows. I read that a movie is in the possibility stages, with - wait for it - - - - - - Johnny Depp! as Barnabas Collins. :D

226 MJ  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:15:37pm

re: #210 MJ

James W. Von Brunn, being the neo-Nazi that he is, would have been influenced by Haeckel who influenced both Nazism and was an antisemite.

227 zombie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:16:16pm

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Already pointed out by [ahem] others in this thread.

(And, as Kenneth pointed out in response (#32), it's not really clear if his rant was FOR or AGAINST "Mendelism".)

Ah, OK, I'm just dropping in with a quickie comment --haven't actually read the thread.

228 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:16:30pm

re: #225 Catttt

I loved Dark Shadows. I read that a movie is in the possibility stages, with - wait for it - - - - - - Johnny Depp! as Barnabas Collins. :D

Johnny Depp is vastly overrated, IMO.

229 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:16:54pm

re: #206 zombie

To be fair, we don't know if he was "pro-Mendelism" or "anti-Mendelism". All we do know is it had something to do with hating Jews.

230 Gus  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:17:02pm

OT

Incredible footage of Jumbo landing!

231 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:17:19pm

I was out for a bit. Anyone see this? 'UNIFIL helping to arrest Israeli spies' . I am not surprised . . . but what the fuck?

232 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:17:36pm

re: #222 Iron Fist

Gotta tar the Christians with him, even if he wasn't a Christian, don't you?

I read medaura's post as just sarcastically turning the tables on Klinghoffer's stupid observation, not as being intended to seriously suggest that Christianity was somehow responsible for the attack.

233 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:17:46pm

re: #228 Alouette

Johnny Depp is vastly overrated, IMO.

Don't tell that to my fiance. She's already told me she'd leave me for him if she was given the opportunity...

234 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:18:13pm

re: #227 zombie

Ah, OK, I'm just dropping in with a quickie comment

Is that all I am to you? I feel so cheap... so used...

235 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:18:17pm
236 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:18:45pm

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

Ew.

No arguments there.

237 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:18:53pm
238 jcm  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:18:58pm

re: #218 Kenneth

Bored Predator Drone Pumps A Few Rounds Into Mountain Goat

Drones are getting bored?
Uh oh, can Skynet be far behind?

239 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:19:03pm

re: #216 MandyManners

Samwise Gamgee.

That's right, he didn't play Frodo, but Sean Astin did play Rudy.

240 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:19:13pm

re: #229 Kenneth

True, but the disingenuous "bundling" of evil intents for parochial political purposes is the lingua franca for many in the MSM, as well as for many "netizens".

241 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:19:26pm

re: #63 Kenneth

Yuch! I'm going to have to disinfect my computer after reading that. I jumped to a few key sections. He hated Marx. & Freud, which pretty much negates the leftist meme. The common thread through it all was "THE JEWS".

His obsession with random upper case lettering of WORDS in sentences is a SIGN of an unhinged MIND. And who the hell was Ambimelech? Was he Monomelech's brother?

242 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:20:34pm

re: #238 jcm

Drones are getting bored?
Uh oh, can Skynet be far behind?

"I'm afraid I can't open the pod bay doors, Dave. I'm just too fucking bored."

243 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:21:26pm

OT
Chastity Bono to have sex change.
/not that there's anything wrong with that

244 Kragar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:21:52pm

re: #126 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Navarre again use that pun.

I not see a Navarone like that again.

245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:22:37pm

re: #241 John Neverbend

His obsession with random upper case lettering of WORDS in sentences is a SIGN of an unhinged MIND. And who the hell was Ambimelech? Was he Monomelech's brother?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Abimelech was most prominently the name of a king of Gerar who is mentioned in two of the three wife-sister narratives in Genesis. The Haggada identifies them as separate people, the second being the first Abimelech's son, and that his original name was Benmelech ("son of the King") but changed his name to his father's. At the time of Abimelech, there was an Egyptian governor of Tyre named Abimilki. They could possibly be the same person. Abimilki's name appears on the Tell-el-Amerna tablets.

Makes sense now.
/

246 Hhar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:23:12pm

re: #206 zombie

Zombie, anti-mendelism doesn't necessarily mean creationism in that crowd. Firslty, some whiter power nuts say Mendel was a Jew (doesn't it SOUND Jewish?) others note that he was a Catholic monk, which is almost as bad. Others don't like it because mendelian genetics displaces some sort of vital spirit (best embodied by, of course, white folks) in favor of those Jewish molecule thingies.

Of corse, this guy might have other reasons for hating Medelism. Maybe he was a creationist. But I'd bet you coffee he wasn't a Biblical creationist.

247 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:23:24pm

re: #206 zombie

Charles, why don't you point out that Von Brunn rants against "Mendelism" (see your first post on the subject yesterday):

"Here are 350pp of FACTS condensing libraries of information about the Talmud, Democracy, Marx, Genetics, Money, Aryans, Negroes, Khazars, The Holy Bible, Treason, Mass-media, Mendelism, Race, the “Holocaust” and a host of suppressed “bigoted” subjects..."

"Mendelism" is presumably Mendelian genetics, i.e. the work of Gregor Mendel, which is the other cornerstone of modern evolutionary theory, along with Darwin's (and Wallace's) theory of "natural selection" and "descent with modification."

if anything, Von Brunn's attack on "Mendelism" points to him being a CREATIONIST, not a Darwinian.

His rant is pretty incoherent - but I think he's actually in favor of "Mendelism." A quote:

By the 1980s, however, the vast benefits being made available to Mankind through Mendelism were described in the most prestigious scientific journals, lectures, and so on, making it impossible for the mass-media to conceal the FACTS any longer; one of which is: the Races are inherently unequal. This irrefutable fact strikes at the heart of MARXISM/ LIBERALISM/JEWRY and their effort to miscegenate the Races and create One World ILLUMINATI Government. As one might expect the mass-media, Christian Church, JEWRY and academia continue to promulgate the false doctrines of BOASISM and ignore or decry Mendelism.

248 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:23:32pm

re: #243 redstateredneck

OT
Chastity Bono to have sex change.
/not that there's anything wrong with that


Cher will get a song out of this.

249 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:23:50pm

re: #245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Abimilki's name appears on the Tell-el-Amerna tablets

Sounds juicy! Do Tell-all!

250 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:24:07pm

re: #245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Makes sense now.
/

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. I know who Abimelech was. I just found the misspelling to be amusing.

251 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:24:35pm

re: #248 opnion

Cher will get a song out of this.

or some ribs back/

252 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:25:03pm

re: #248 opnion

re: #243 redstateredneck

OT
Chastity Bono to have sex change.
/not that there's anything wrong with that


Cher will get a song out of this.

"If I Could Turn Back [fill in blank]"

253 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:25:05pm

re: #210 MJ

Well, look, the thing is that creationist yahoos are going to lump any and all science together, good and bad. What does that leave them, the religious types - are they going to deny atoms, Newton? They are trying to say their religious intuition trumps any and all rational thought.

blech

254 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:25:29pm

re: #241 John Neverbend

His obsession with random upper case lettering of WORDS in sentences is a SIGN of an unhinged MIND. And who the hell was Ambimelech? Was he Monomelech's brother?


I think he was the developer of the popular sleep medication.

255 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:25:35pm

Very exciting news (potentially) for Saab: GM in talks to sell Saab

A purchase of Saab would bring Koenigsegg, a small-volume maker of high-performance sports cars, into a new business. The company was founded by Swedish entrepreneur Christian von Koenigsegg in 1994, and is known in the automotive world for its super-fast cars and attempts to break speed records.

256 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:25:36pm

re: #229 Kenneth

To be fair, we don't know if he was "pro-Mendelism" or "anti-Mendelism". All we do know is it had something to do with hating Jews.

The guy seems to be anti everthing.

257 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:25:55pm

re: #248 opnion

Cher will get a song out of this.

Hell, the doc ought to give her a freebie with all of Cher's bonus miles!

258 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:26:02pm

re: #245 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

there was an Egyptian governor of Tyre named Abimilki

He wasn't very good... he was just kind of a retread of the old governor.

259 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:26:44pm

re: #28 Nevergiveup

President Barack Obama said that he was not interested in a system of nationalized health care but does believe a single-payer system has some appeal.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

What doe she think a Single-Payor system is?

Odd report, I watched the town hall when a woman asked him to support a single payer plan and he said it had some appeal, but it was close to the socialized system in England which he opposed and thus did not support it.

But Obama, answering a question, said no one — "certainly not me" — is interested in a nationalized health care system, like that in Great Britain. The president said the government is not going to force any change upon people who are pleased with the plan they already have with their employer.

"When you hear people saying socialized medicine, understand, I don't know anybody in Washington who is proposing that," he said.

260 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:27:09pm

re: #258 Occasional Reader

He wasn't very good... he was just kind of a retread of the old governor.

Same old thing no matter how often Governorship rotated?

261 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:28:08pm

re: #260 Creeping Eruption

Same old thing no matter how often Governorship rotated?

I don't think this pun meme is getting any traction.

262 badger1970  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:28:11pm

re: #171 Dianna

This guy buys a riding lawnmower and starts to mow his lawn. It's a hot day so he's drinking beer while going back and forth mowing his front yard. No issues as of yet but there's a cop car at the end of the block clocking traffic.

The cop sees the guy, his lawnmower and the beer. The moment the guy goes into the road to turn around, the cop drives over and arrests him for driving under the influence.

263 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:28:16pm

re: #255 Creeping Eruption

Very exciting news (potentially) for Saab: GM in talks to sell Saab

Just another saab story.

/dad owned one of those 63 saabs with the wind-up clock, two-stroke engine, and suicide doors, so this is an ooooold joke in teh family

264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:28:24pm

re: #252 Occasional Reader

"If I Could Turn Back [fill in blank]"

Thanks, now I got several unpleasant images from that video stuck in my head now. Permit me to share with the rest of the class.

265 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:28:46pm
It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner’s soap bottle.

Charles, hilarious, now I have the giggles.

266 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:29:17pm

re: #264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Thanks, now I got several unpleasant images from that video stuck in my head now. Permit me to share with the rest of the class.

Now we know where Borat got that swimsuit.

267 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:29:30pm

Well friends, I stand before you now with my disdainful chin lowered in shame. Once more I am aligned with you Gaia-raping air conditioned evile cabal of BusHitler thugs.

Only one thing bothers me. According to these guys, this thing is so freaky efficient that I'm deathly afraid that all that extra electricity is going to back up in the wires and cause some kind of electro-bulge.

I'm going to call the power company and warn them.

268 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:29:37pm

re: #264 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Thanks, now I got several unpleasant images from that video stuck in my head now. Permit me to share with the rest of the class.


What, no back view?

269 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:29:46pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

A good man is dead, and we're going to fight about who's being treated unfairly? Stephen Johns. He's been treated about as unfairly as you can be.

One thing that stands out for me with the piss poor reporting is the fact that the security guard at the museum was black is not being reported a lot.

270 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:30:04pm

re: #243 redstateredneck

OT
Chastity Bono to have sex change.
/not that there's anything wrong with that

Yeah there probably is?

271 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:30:33pm

While I do not like them myself, I thought I would throw this up for all you cat lovers: Bear vs. House Cat

Spoiler: My guy loses.

272 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:31:03pm

re: #261 Occasional Reader

I don't think this pun meme is getting any traction.

Bald faced lie! Take it back

273 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:31:12pm

re: #259 avanti

But Obama, answering a question, said no one — "certainly not me" — is interested in a nationalized health care system, like that in Great Britain. The president said the government is not going to force any change upon people who are pleased with the plan they already have with their employer.

"When you hear people saying socialized medicine, understand, I don't know anybody in Washington who is proposing that," he said.

And he actually said that with a straight face...

274 Hhar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:31:31pm

re Mendelism: I note that about page 152 /153 he's sounding awful keen on Mendelism. The guy loves it because its anti-marxist. So this guy is a pro-Mendelist.

This is what I love about nutcases: you can never really predict the exact flavour of nuttiness. Every nutcase is its own special flower.

275 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:31:33pm

re: #243 redstateredneck

I remember hearing a really bad joke when Sonny Bono died. It went something like "Sonny Bono died after going headfirst into a tree. In a related story, his daughter Chastity went headfirst into a bush."

276 Hhar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:32:10pm

Oops. Charles beat me to it. Sorry!

277 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:32:10pm
278 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:32:15pm

re: #268 redstateredneck

What, no back view?

I think the sailors in that video must have been at sea a long time.

279 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:32:29pm

re: #273 lobo91

And he actually said that with a straight face...

Oh he's good at that

280 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:32:31pm

re: #275 Mad Al-Jaffee


You're right. That's a really bad joke.

281 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:33:36pm

re: #272 Creeping Eruption

Bald faced lie! Take it back

Spare me the puns. They're tiring.

282 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:33:39pm

re: #280 redstateredneck

You're right. That's a really bad joke.

Oh it's low class and crude, but right up my ally

283 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:01pm

re: #272 Creeping Eruption

Bald faced lie! Take it back

I'd like to respond with yet another tire pun, but I've run flat out of ideas.

284 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:02pm

re: #252 Occasional Reader

"If I Could Turn Back [fill in blank]"

There are lots of parodys.

285 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:07pm

Mass. yellow lobster is a 1 in 30 million rarity
Jun. 11, 2009 08:21 AM
Associated Press

EASTHAM, Mass. - This lobster will catch your eye, but not because you're imagining its tail dipped in butter. It is bright orange and yellow, even though it's never been near a boiling pot.

Specialists tell The Boston Globe it's called a "yellow lobster" and it's one in 30 million.

286 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:10pm

re: #258 Occasional Reader

He wasn't very good... he was just kind of a retread of the old governor.

Sounds like Corzine....

287 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:27pm

re: #283 Occasional Reader

I'd like to respond with yet another tire pun, but I've run flat out of ideas.

That pun deserves a rim shot.

288 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:28pm

re: #259 avanti

Odd report, I watched the town hall when a woman asked him to support a single payer plan and he said it had some appeal, but it was close to the socialized system in England which he opposed and thus did not support it.

But Obama, answering a question, said no one — "certainly not me" — is interested in a nationalized health care system, like that in Great Britain. The president said the government is not going to force any change upon people who are pleased with the plan they already have with their employer.

"When you hear people saying socialized medicine, understand, I don't know anybody in Washington who is proposing that," he said.

Why are more and more doctors dropping Medicare? Because the reimbursement rate to doctors is dropping. Obama also said he wanted competition with private insurers to keep them honest. Obama is promoting the government as the answer to waste, fraud and abuse in the PRIVATE system? Obama is clearly delusional on this one.

289 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:34pm

re: #267 razorbacker

Well friends, I stand before you now with my disdainful chin lowered in shame. Once more I am aligned with you Gaia-raping air conditioned evile cabal of BusHitler thugs.

Only one thing bothers me. According to these guys, this thing is so freaky efficient that I'm deathly afraid that all that extra electricity is going to back up in the wires and cause some kind of electro-bulge.

I'm going to call the power company and warn them.

Back in the 80s, there was a cranky old farmer in Alberta who sued the local power company because some of its power came from nuclear and the crank was afraid the current itself was radioactive. The company went to ridiculous lengths to try to convince him, at one point sending out a physicist to explain the workings in person, but the old fool never was convinced.

290 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:44pm

re: #283 Occasional Reader

I'd like to respond with yet another tire pun, but I've run flat out of ideas.

You need something to jack you up

291 Catttt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:51pm

re: #228 Alouette

Johnny Depp is vastly overrated, IMO.

I sooooo disagree. Soooooo disagree. Different strokes.

292 J.S.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:51pm

OT

London is PO'd with Washington -- it's about settling those Chinese gitmo guys in Bermuda....(Washington informed the UK only moments prior to the announcement being made).

293 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:34:56pm

re: #273 lobo91

Obama is allowed to lie with impunity. He's been doing it since his campaign began.
I just hope enough people survive Nationalized Health Care to reverse what he's done to us.

294 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:35:01pm

re: #281 KenJen

Spare me the puns. They're tiring.

Are we retreading old puns now?

295 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:35:05pm

WE GOT MAIL!

Michael Korn emailed me after I removed his comment from my blog.

To the News Media,

After directing you to James Van Brunn's website, I see that it has been taken down. I have tracked down some of Mr. Von Brunn's writings in archived sites for your perusal.

I have converted them into PDF files and attached them for your convenience.

These are some of his more important writings that I have been able to cull off the Internet before DHS purges them. His main focus was the Federal Reserve Banking scam, which informed his anti-Jewish views.

Included also are our email exchanges about 9-11 and Israel.

Mr. Van Brunn has some valid and perceptive ideas. I am sorry that he was unable to find a better way to disseminate his views more effectively to the American public he loved and cared about.

Michael Korn
www.scribd.com/JesusOverIsrael
www.JesusOverIsrael.blogspot.com

PS [Link: www.viciousbabushka.com...]

Babushka:

check out this priceless comment:

[Link: www.angelfire.com...]

Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Rotze’ach 2:11 and the commentary of R. Yosef Karo, Kessef Mishneh

A Jew who killed a righteous gentile is not executed in a court of law as it says (Exodus 21:14) “If a man shall act intentionall against his fellow…” [and a gentile is not considered a fellow] and even more so that he is not executed for killing an unrighteous gentile.
What our teacher Maimonides meant when he wrote that he is not executed in a court of law is that he is nevertheless punished by Heaven.

I'm sure that last line is a real consolation for all the Gentile "cattle" who worry that a Jewish psychopathic murderer is on the loose amongst them.

"Don't worry", the JudeoCons soothe us. "Our God will take care of him."

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

(then he links a whole bunch of James von Brunn PDFs)

296 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:35:20pm

Well this was a shitty day. Glad it's over. It started out with a fight with an asshole and went down hill from there. I guess I can watch the Yanks lose in Fenway again tonight to top it off?

297 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:35:45pm

re: #294 Kosh's Shadow

Are we retreading old puns now?

Not me; I'm keeping a low profile.

298 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:35:50pm

re: #285 FurryOldGuyJeans

Mass. yellow lobster is a 1 in 30 million rarity
Jun. 11, 2009 08:21 AM
Associated Press

But does it taste good?

299 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:35:55pm

re: #269 FurryOldGuyJeans

One thing that stands out for me with the piss poor reporting is the fact that the security guard at the museum was black is not being reported a lot.

Is Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, the survivor of the Arkansas recruitment shooting, black? His last name sounds African.

300 Catttt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:36:03pm

Someone mentioned a short actor. This allows me to link a pic of a tall actor. :D

Alexander Skarsgard

301 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:36:46pm
302 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:36:57pm

re: #299 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Is Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, the survivor of the Arkansas recruitment shooting, black? His last name sounds African.

It don't sound like no redneck name, that's fer damn sure.

303 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:37:06pm

re: #275 Mad Al-Jaffee

I remember hearing a really bad joke when Sonny Bono died. It went something like "Sonny Bono died after going headfirst into a tree. In a related story, his daughter Chastity went headfirst into a bush."

I think that it was Leno who had this joke.
Sonny Bono was mayor of Palm Springs & pushed through an ordinance to ban thongs & other provocative swim suits. It was viewd as move to keep his ex wife out.

304 theatheistjew  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:37:17pm

Blaming Darwin or evolution for Hitler or this 88 year old imbecile is like blaming Newton for the way bullets work.

305 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:37:22pm

re: #267 razorbacker

Well friends, I stand before you now with my disdainful chin lowered in shame. Once more I am aligned with you Gaia-raping air conditioned evile cabal of BusHitler thugs.

Only one thing bothers me. According to these guys, this thing is so freaky efficient that I'm deathly afraid that all that extra electricity is going to back up in the wires and cause some kind of electro-bulge.

I'm going to call the power company and warn them.

Mr. DT was the director of an outdoor school years ago, and someone in the company ordered a new Suburban for transporting students - but feeling like guilty libs, they ordered it without air-conditioning. He said, "Are you guys out of your minds?" He cursed their names everytime he had to drive the darn thing in the heat with a bunch of sweaty students.

306 Digital Display  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:37:45pm

re: #296 Nevergiveup

Well this was a shitty day. Glad it's over. It started out with a fight with an asshole and went down hill from there. I guess I can watch the Yanks lose in Fenway again tonight to top it off?


Yes Sir! Good Luck..I want the Magic to win tonight..But I wanted a government bail-out and you see where that got me

307 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:37:47pm

re: #267 razorbacker

Well friends, I stand before you now with my disdainful chin lowered in shame. Once more I am aligned with you Gaia-raping air conditioned evile cabal of BusHitler thugs.

Only one thing bothers me. According to these guys, this thing is so freaky efficient that I'm deathly afraid that all that extra electricity is going to back up in the wires and cause some kind of electro-bulge.

I'm going to call the power company and warn them.

Too early to tell for sure, but it looks like I'll save about $50-$75 month on my new green unit.

308 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:37:50pm

re: #273 lobo91

And he actually said that with a straight face...

I hope someone recorded that, or put it on youtube or something. After the democrats destroy the health care system and he signs off on it, it can be played over and over again in 2012 campaign ads.

309 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:37:54pm

re: #292 J.S.

OT

London is PO'd with Washington -- it's about settling those Chinese gitmo guys in Bermuda....(Washington informed the UK only moments prior to the announcement being made).

Aruba, Jamaica, ooo we're gonna take ya to
Bermuda, Obama's causing lots of drama...

310 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:38:01pm
Even if some distorted version of evolutionary theory was part of Von Brunn’s world view, does that discredit the theory of evolution itself? Does evolution become any less of a fact because madmen use a twisted version of it — eugenics — as an ideology that justifies crimes?

Of course not; there’s no “guilt by association” here because the association is remote to the point of nonexistence.

Perversion of the
Pure version
Is an evil
Diversion
Leading to inescapable
Inversion
And ultimately to an unholy
Conversion
- channelling Jesse Jackson

311 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:38:04pm

Dow finally edges into positive territory for the year


US Stocks Add To Gains After Treasury Auction


Stocks added to gains Thursday and the S&P 500 hit a new 2009 peak after strong demand for 30-year Treasury bonds in an afternoon auction and further glimmers of economic hope.

The economy is in the early stages of a recovery, which has helped stocks stage a three-month rally. Weak demand at recent Treasury auctions, including one Wednesday, caused interest rates to rise somewhat, and traders to worry the recovery was in danger. The yield on the 30-year Treasury fell to 4.69% in the immediate aftermath of the auction from an intraday high of 4.84%. Yields on long-dated Treasurys are used as benchmarks for setting mortgage rates - a key variable for the housing market and broad economy.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average was recently up 104 points, or 1.2%, at 8844, in positive territory for the year to date. The gains were broad, with banks, drug makers and industrial giants all contributing. Bank of America was the biggest gainer, up 8.6%, as its chief executive fielded questions from a U.S. House committee about his dealings with the Federal Reserve and the Treasury surrounding Bank of America's acquisition of Merrill Lynch last year.

The broad Standard & Poor's 500 index - the professionals' measure of the U.S. stock market - hit a new peak for 2009 of 954 just after the auction results. More recently, the S&P 500 was up 13, or 1.3%, to 952, up 5.4% for the year to date.


But don't be celebrating just just yet:

"The market is about fairly priced right now," Prokupek said. "But if we get a real double-dip recession, buying the 10-year at a 4% yield will turn out to be the bargain of the century."

The Federal Reserve and Treasury "have done a very good job of taking the insolvency of the banking system out of the picture," said Jeffrey Pavlik, founder of hedge-fund management firm Pavlik Capital Management.

"Now you have to deal with the real economy. I don't see a clear vision to that turning around definitively in six months."

"I don't see it: housing prices are going to continue to fall, our banks going to continue to have issues with commercial real estate."

312 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:38:08pm

re: #294 Kosh's Shadow

Are we retreading old puns now?

They are trying but they're running low on air.

313 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:38:20pm

re: #297 redstateredneck

Not me; I'm keeping a low profile.

Which aspect of these tire puns makes you uncomfortable? No pressure... I'm just trying to gauge your state of mind.

314 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:38:50pm

re: #303 opnion

There was a great bit on The Simpsons (back when it was still funny and worth watching) where a guy who woke up from a long coma is on the news. He says "Do Sonny and Cher still have that stupid show." Someone tells him, "No, he's a senator and she won an Oscar." He immediately flatlines.

315 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:39:10pm

re: #295 Alouette

Will you contact the FBI?

316 Digital Display  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:39:20pm

re: #313 Occasional Reader

Which aspect of these tire puns makes you uncomfortable? No pressure... I'm just trying to gauge your state of mind.

Probably cause they keep going around and around..:)

317 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:39:22pm

re: #298 Nevergiveup

But does it taste good?

Don't ask me; it's just as unkosher as the blue-green lobsters.
There was, however, a time in my past when I sinned, so I know what lobster tastes like, but I've given it up anyway.

318 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:39:53pm

re: #295 Alouette

You are the "news media" ?

uhoh, sorry about taking your name in vain in just about every other comment.

319 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:39:54pm

re: #298 Nevergiveup

But does it taste good?

Probably better than yellow snow.
/Maybe the yellow lobster is next on the evolutionary chain -look like butter & you'll be less likely to be dipped in it. Camouflage, baby!

320 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:00pm

re: #301 Iron Fist

Gah. You all are as bad as my first girlfriend about the puns. That shit drove me nuts.

:-)

We could pun about knives, but I am afraid that pun tang might get me in trouble . . .

321 Catttt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:00pm

re: #301 Iron Fist

Gah. You all are as bad as my first girlfriend about the puns. That shit drove me nuts.

:-)

Did your gf pecan you?

322 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:04pm

re: #299 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Is Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, the survivor of the Arkansas recruitment shooting, black? His last name sounds African.

He's certainly never had to deal with the question "which Quinton Ezeagwula?".

(And I do hope he's sufficiently recovered right now to read this and (hopefully) laugh at it.)

323 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:16pm

re: #313 Occasional Reader

Which aspect of these tire puns makes you uncomfortable? No pressure... I'm just trying to gauge your state of mind.


With the economy like it is, is this really a goodyear for tires do you think?

324 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:27pm

re: #247 Charles

From von Brunn rant:

As one might expect the mass-media, Christian Church, JEWRY and academia continue to promulgate the false doctrines of BOASISM and ignore or decry Mendelism.

Do you think he's talking about the anthropologist Franz Boas? If that's the case, then presumably he's in favor of cultural evolution, the discredited theory that all cultures are moving along a path to greater development (e.g., the Inuit are stuck at a low level of development but if given enough time, they'll eventually be just like Western Europeans). Yet another layer of the crazy cake exposed.

325 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:38pm

re: #293 Lincolntf

Obama is allowed to lie with impunity. He's been doing it since his campaign began.
I just hope enough people survive Nationalized Health Care to reverse what he's done to us.

Here's my question, if his mother in Law becomes seriously ill, will she be subject to rationing in the national Health PLan?
Of course not. Hillary thought that care should be rationed in later years until her own father got ill & then every heroic effort was t6aken

326 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:50pm

re: #299 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Is Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, the survivor of the Arkansas recruitment shooting, black? His last name sounds African.

He can't be. Pvt. Long's father calls them fine people. They say that the Long family are fine people.

Long is white. You know us inbred Arkies don't allow none of that there race-mixing.

327 jcm  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:40:59pm

re: #259 avanti

"When you hear people saying socialized medicine, understand, I don't know anybody in Washington who is proposing that," he said.


He is either ignorant or lying.
Take your pick.

328 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:41:03pm

re: #313 Occasional Reader

Which aspect of these tire puns makes you uncomfortable? No pressure... I'm just trying to gauge your state of mind.

Time to for the rubber to hit the road. I'm outta here.

329 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:41:05pm

re: #317 Kosh's Shadow

Don't ask me; it's just as unkosher as the blue-green lobsters.
There was, however, a time in my past when I sinned, so I know what lobster tastes like, but I've given it up anyway.

If God didn't want us to eat lobsters, then He shouldn't have made them look like giant undersea cockroach-scorpions.
/

330 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:41:25pm

re: #315 MandyManners

Will you contact the FBI?

It looks like he has cc'd this email to a bunch of other people ("News Media"), not just me. It doesn't contain a death threat, just a bunch of gloating.

Does anyone know how to view full headers in GMail?

331 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:41:56pm

re: #329 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

If God didn't want us to eat lobsters, then He shouldn't have made them look like giant undersea cockroach-scorpions.
/

Reminds me of Mel Brooks' quote, "If God had meant for us to fly, he would've given us airplane tickets."

332 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:42:12pm

Are they going to encourage kids informing on their parents next?

SF to impose fines for throwing out food scraps
Jun. 11, 2009 12:54 PM
Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO - Trash collectors in San Francisco will soon be doing more than just gathering garbage: They'll be keeping an eye out for people who toss food scraps out with their rubbish.

San Francisco this week passed a mandatory composting law that is believed to be the strictest such ordinance in the nation. Residents will be required to have three color-coded trash bins, including one for recycling, one for trash and a new one for compost - everything from banana peels to coffee grounds.

The law makes San Francisco the leader yet again in environmentally friendly measures, following up on other green initiatives such as banning plastic bags at supermarkets.

Food scraps sent to a landfill decompose fast and turn into methane gas, a potent greenhouse gas [emphasis added]. Under the new system, collected scraps will be turned into compost that helps area farms and vineyards flourish. The city eventually wants to eliminate waste at landfills by 2020.

Food scraps will emit methane whether they are in a landfill or in a compost pile. These boneheads are so totally clueless about reality.

333 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:42:33pm

re: #320 Creeping Eruption

We could pun about knives, but I am afraid that pun tang might get me in trouble . . .

If you want to get Iron Fist making puns about edged weapons, I'm shuriken keep up with the best of 'em.

334 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:42:49pm

re: #322 Occasional Reader

He's certainly never had to deal with the question "which Quinton Ezeagwula?".

(And I do hope he's sufficiently recovered right now to read this and (hopefully) laugh at it.)

Somebody posted a link early this AM about him. From his Hospital bed He said how proud he was to serve in the US Army and his dream was to be a Master Sargent. We need more like him.

335 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:43:28pm

I posted about Pvt. Ezeagwula earlier. He says that he loves the Army, and his goal is to become a sarge, then a drill instructor.

Go ahead. Laugh at the poor simpleton. But not around me. Not around me.

336 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:43:30pm

re: #296 Nevergiveup

Well this was a shitty day. Glad it's over. It started out with a fight with an asshole and went down hill from there. I guess I can watch the Yanks lose in Fenway again tonight to top it off?

That sounds bad. What was the fight about, and what got worse after that? As for the Yankees, if they continue to use opening pitchers whose raison d'etre is to help the offence get as many runs as possible, there's not much hope. Let's see if CC can prove he's worth the $161 million.

337 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:43:33pm
338 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:43:35pm

re: #314 Mad Al-Jaffee

There was a great bit on The Simpsons (back when it was still funny and worth watching) where a guy who woke up from a long coma is on the news. He says "Do Sonny and Cher still have that stupid show." Someone tells him, "No, he's a senator and she won an Oscar." He immediately flatlines.

That would be a shock. I am sure that I am in the minority but I thought that their show was pretty good.

339 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:43:53pm

McCain just said that Obama has got himself "wrapped around the axle" on the closing of Gitmo.

340 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:44:17pm

re: #327 jcm

He is either ignorant or lying.
Take your pick.

Only time will tell, but my bet is he can't back off on his promise to allow you to keep your present plan. We should know by fall.

341 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:44:27pm

re: #339 DistantThunder

McCain just said that Obama has got himself "wrapped around the axle" on the closing of Gitmo.

He's spinning.

342 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:44:44pm

re: #333 Occasional Reader

If you want to get Iron Fist making puns about edged weapons, I'm shuriken keep up with the best of 'em.

I see you've played "knifey-spoony" before, mate.

343 Digital Display  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:05pm

re: #339 DistantThunder

McCain just said that Obama has got himself "wrapped around the axle" on the closing of Gitmo.

So he threw himself under the Bus?

344 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:12pm

re: #339 DistantThunder

McCain just said that Obama has got himself "wrapped around the axle" on the closing of Gitmo.

Wow! John McCain is joining in with the tire pun thread theme!

345 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:15pm
346 Last Mohican  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:38pm

re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are they going to encourage kids informing on their parents next?

SF to impose fines for throwing out food scraps
Jun. 11, 2009 12:54 PM
Associated Press

Food scraps will emit methane whether they are in a landfill or in a compost pile. These boneheads are so totally clueless about reality.

The other danger with leaving food scraps in a landfill is that it tends to attract manbearpig.

347 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:44pm

re: #336 John Neverbend

That sounds bad. What was the fight about, and what got worse after that? As for the Yankees, if they continue to use opening pitchers whose raison d'etre is to help the offence get as many runs as possible, there's not much hope. Let's see if CC can prove he's worth the $161 million.

Oh the fights on the AM thread here, and if George were still in charge, either the Yanks would win tonight or Gerardi would be on the first bus back to Chicago

348 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:51pm

re: #342 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I see you've played "knifey-spoony" before, mate.

The quote rings a bell, but not loudly enough... source? (Simpsons?)

349 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:45:56pm

re: #333 Occasional Reader

If you want to get Iron Fist making puns about edged weapons, I'm shuriken keep up with the best of 'em.

I thought knife puns might Bolster his pun-ticipation.

350 jcm  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:01pm

re: #285 FurryOldGuyJeans

Mass. yellow lobster is a 1 in 30 million rarity
Jun. 11, 2009 08:21 AM
Associated Press

I wonder what it tastes like?

351 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:11pm

re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans

They have been doing this in Sweden for years. I went to visit a friend and one of the first things she showed me was how to sort the trash. She said neighbors in the building would report her if its not done properly.

352 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:11pm

McCain sounds so rational and reassuring compared to the insanity spewing forth from the Obama administration. McCain says "Told you so," too.

353 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:20pm

re: #348 Occasional Reader

The quote rings a bell, but not loudly enough... source? (Simpsons?)

Yep, Simpsons, when they go to Australia.

354 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:33pm

re: #340 avanti

Only time will tell, but my bet is he can't back off on his promise to allow you to keep your present plan. We should know by fall.

If there is a Gov Plan it will drive the Private plans out of business.

355 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:35pm

re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are they going to encourage kids informing on their parents next?

SF to impose fines for throwing out food scraps
Jun. 11, 2009 12:54 PM
Associated Press

Food scraps will emit methane whether they are in a landfill or in a compost pile. These boneheads are so totally clueless about reality.

I thought San Fran was running a compost powered energy plant? I saw that on an episode of Dirty Jobs.

356 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:40pm

re: #347 Nevergiveup

Oh the fights on the AM thread here, and if George were still in charge, either the Yanks would win tonight or Gerardi would be on the first bus back to Chicago

I hear that there's going to be a movie of Moneyball. That's something I'd like to see.

357 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:46:54pm

re: #330 Alouette

It looks like he has cc'd this email to a bunch of other people ("News Media"), not just me. It doesn't contain a death threat, just a bunch of gloating.

Does anyone know how to view full headers in GMail?

I'd contact them anyway in case they can use technie stuff from his e-mail to find him.

358 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:47:20pm

re: #348 Occasional Reader

The quote rings a bell, but not loudly enough... source? (Simpsons?)

Yes, the Australia episode of The Simpsons.

359 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:47:46pm

re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are they going to encourage kids informing on their parents next?

SF to impose fines for throwing out food scraps
Jun. 11, 2009 12:54 PM
Associated Press


Food scraps will emit methane whether they are in a landfill or in a compost pile. These boneheads are so totally clueless about reality.

Fucking food fascists.

360 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:47:49pm

re: #337 Iron Fist

And this cost you how much? You can't just look at savings, you have to look at ROI. If you feel good about what you are doing to "save the planet" and all that, and that is your ROI, but it wouldn't encourage me to follow you.

I don't buy that the Planet is in Danger. It will get along just fine no matter what I do.

Sounds like the stupid photo op Obama had in Denver awhile back, touting the efficiency of some solar cells installed on a building.

Of course, what he failed to mention was that it would take something like 120 years for the energy savings to pay for the cost of the system.

Or, better yet, the fact that the system had a projected useful life of about 25 years...

361 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:48:30pm

re: #197 experiencedtraveller

Dr. Bonner is/was/claimed to be an Essene? Now thats something you dont see everyday.

You mean you don't use Herbal Essene Shampoo?

362 Athens Runaway  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:48:46pm

I know that the popular meme is to say that Von Brunn was a right-winger, but there is evidence that he was also targeting The Weekly Standard, FOX News, and he also hated Christianity...

Those don't sound like "right-wing" values to me. More than anything else, he looks like a Bircher, which were denounced soundly by Buckley.

363 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:48:56pm

re: #340 avanti

Only time will tell, but my bet is he can't back off on his promise to allow you to keep your present plan. We should know by fall.

The government in the beginning anyway will allow the private plans to compete. The problem is that Obamacare will cost employers less.
Private plans will be at a cost disadvantage because there will be no government subsidy for them.
Employers will opt for the less expensive plan, so his pledge is meaningless.

364 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:48:56pm

re: #324 doppelganglander

I had to google the Boasism... I think you are right about the Boas/anthropology connection.

At first I though our man was ranting about BoA-ism. You know, anti-Bank of America-ism...

365 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:48:57pm
366 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:49:10pm

re: #335 razorbacker

I posted about Pvt. Ezeagwula earlier. He says that he loves the Army, and his goal is to become a sarge, then a drill instructor.

Go ahead. Laugh at the poor simpleton. But not around me. Not around me.

You won't find me laughing at someone why volunteers. re: #360 lobo91

Sounds like the stupid photo op Obama had in Denver awhile back, touting the efficiency of some solar cells installed on a building.

Of course, what he failed to mention was that it would take something like 120 years for the energy savings to pay for the cost of the system.

Or, better yet, the fact that the system had a projected useful life of about 25 years...

What about the toxic chemicals used and waste that come from manufacturing the things?

367 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:49:15pm

re: #345 Iron Fist

What would you contact law enforcement on about that? I doubt they'd even send a guy around to take a statement. Prosecute? Never. For whgat? Condoning murder? That isn't a crime, dispicable though it may be.

Isn't the FBI looking for this guy already for making death threats?

368 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:50:06pm

re: #349 Creeping Eruption

I thought knife puns might Bolster his pun-ticipation.

Get a grip! Why don't you just drop the point?

369 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:50:25pm

re: #337 Iron Fist

And this cost you how much? You can't just look at savings, you have to look at ROI. If you feel good about what you are doing to "save the planet" and all that, and that is your ROI, but it wouldn't encourage me to follow you.

I don't buy that the Planet is in Danger. It will get along just fine no matter what I do.

The new AC/furnace was 7K, less the $1500 tax credit, the $1000 Carrier rebate and $350 energy credit from the energy company for a net cost of about $4200. I figure a savings of $6000-$8000 over the 10 year warranty, more if energy costs increase, plus I won't pay the repair costs that have been growing on the old unit.
Trust me, I did not upgrade to be green.

370 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:51:06pm

re: #368 Occasional Reader

Get a grip! Why don't you just drop the point?

Scale back?

371 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:51:07pm

re: #363 opnion

The government in the beginning anyway will allow the private plans to compete. The problem is that Obamacare will cost employers less.
Private plans will be at a cost disadvantage because there will be no government subsidy for them.
Employers will opt for the less expensive plan, so his pledge is meaningless.

Not to mention the fact that they're planning to tax employer-provided health insurance as income in order to pay for the government plan, providing yet another incentive for people to switch.

372 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:51:14pm

re: #362 Athens Runaway

I know that the popular meme is to say that Von Brunn was a right-winger, but there is evidence that he was also targeting The Weekly Standard, FOX News, and he also hated Christianity...

Those don't sound like "right-wing" values to me. More than anything else, he looks like a Bircher, which were denounced soundly by Buckley.

For example, von Brunn frequented Ron Paul discussion forums, where reasoned discourse is thin on the ground. It's true that Mr. Paul was allowed a podium at the most recent GOP Presidential debate; however, let's recall that Al Sharpton was granted a similar platform at the Democratic counterpart, within living memory.

In addition, von Brunn is now being associated with the LIberty Lobby. William F. Buckley famously purged the mainstream conservative movement of the John Birch Society, and anti-semitic groups like the Liberty Lobby, way back in the early 1960s. For his pains, the Liberty Lobby accused Buckley of being a "mouthpiece" for the Jewish Anti-Defamation League. (After 14 years, Buckley won a libel judgement against the group.)

373 jcm  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:51:21pm

re: #340 avanti

Only time will tell, but my bet is he can't back off on his promise to allow you to keep your present plan. We should know by fall.

Even if I keep my "present plan" and the cost shifts to the taxpayer.

That's socialized.
Society is bearing the cost, and society represent by government will have a say in my health care, it's unavoidable.
It's socialized.

374 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:51:23pm

re: #365 Iron Fist

Oh, did you decide to do the checkering on the front strap of your Warrior?

Not yet. I think I'll do it, though. The biggest bummer isn't the cost, it's being without my pookie bear pistol for, what, 4 weeks or so.

375 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:51:50pm

re: #372 MandyManners

For example, von Brunn frequented Ron Paul discussion forums, where reasoned discourse is thin on the ground. It's true that Mr. Paul was allowed a podium at the most recent GOP Presidential debate; however, let's recall that Al Sharpton was granted a similar platform at the Democratic counterpart, within living memory.

In addition, von Brunn is now being associated with the LIberty Lobby. William F. Buckley famously purged the mainstream conservative movement of the John Birch Society, and anti-semitic groups like the Liberty Lobby, way back in the early 1960s. For his pains, the Liberty Lobby accused Buckley of being a "mouthpiece" for the Jewish Anti-Defamation League. (After 14 years, Buckley won a libel judgement against the group.)

From the second link.

376 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:52:24pm

re: #364 experiencedtraveller

I had to google the Boasism... I think you are right about the Boas/anthropology connection.

At first I though our man was ranting about BoA-ism. You know, anti-Bank of America-ism...

Or maybe he just has an aversion to feathered accessories.

377 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:52:43pm

re: #313 Occasional Reader

Which aspect of these tire puns makes you uncomfortable? No pressure... I'm just trying to gauge your state of mind.

That was pretty slick.

378 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:52:51pm

re: #325 opnion

As happens everywhere Leftism prevails, the empowered class will have the best of everything and the general populace will get the bare minimum. Of course, Obama seems more than willing to let his family members wallow in poverty without so much as a few grand as a helping hnd, so who knows what he'd do?

379 avanti  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:52:55pm

re: #373 jcm

Even if I keep my "present plan" and the cost shifts to the taxpayer.

That's socialized.
Society is bearing the cost, and society represent by government will have a say in my health care, it's unavoidable.
It's socialized.

Society is already bearing the cost for the uninsured when they show up at the emergency room.

380 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:53:42pm

re: #363 opnion

The government in the beginning anyway will allow the private plans to compete. The problem is that Obamacare will cost employers less.
Private plans will be at a cost disadvantage because there will be no government subsidy for them.
Employers will opt for the less expensive plan, so his pledge is meaningless.

AND the UAW unions just got a big windfall that they will use for health care benefits, UNLESS government takes over health care, and voila -

381 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:54:32pm

re: #359 MandyManners

Fucking food fascists.

Certain food "scraps" emit methan no matter where they end up.

/Tuesday is bean soup night

382 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:54:45pm

re: #361 ShanghaiEd

You mean you don't use Herbal Essene Shampoo?

Its great for getting dead sea scrolls out of your hair.

383 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:54:51pm

How did Brunn get his shot-gun from his car and to the museum?

384 drogheda  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:02pm
385 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:07pm

re: #371 lobo91

Not to mention the fact that they're planning to tax employer-provided health insurance as income in order to pay for the government plan, providing yet another incentive for people to switch.

Good point, there is a lot off smoke & mirrors going on.
An objective look at National Health plans that do exist would be instrutive.
A real irony here is that the Unions are agitating for Obamacare.
Union negotiated benfits ar very rich right now. Watch what you ask for.

386 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:13pm

re: #378 Lincolntf

As happens everywhere Leftism prevails, the empowered class will have the best of everything and the general populace will get the bare minimum. Of course, Obama seems more than willing to let his family members wallow in poverty without so much as a few grand as a helping hnd, so who knows what he'd do?

EXACTLY right. And aunt living in public housing, and a 1/2 brother living in a shack. What did the newsweek guy say - he's like God - above it all. Head in the clouds I'd say.

387 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:15pm

re: #379 avanti

Society is already bearing the cost for the uninsured when they show up at the emergency room.


So rather than making those who use the emergency room as a Primary care doctor pay for it out of pocket and eliminate those types of expenses, it makes much better sense to come up with the government plan that will actually work instead of the ones in place now. ///////////

388 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:25pm

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he was considering demanding that Israel pay a fine of $11 million for damage it did to UN facilities in Gaza during the IDF offensive there in January.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

All of gaza ain't worth 11 million asshole

389 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:27pm

re: #381 OldLineTexan

Certain food "scraps" emit methan no matter where they end up.

/Tuesday is bean soup night

Do fart jokes abound?

390 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:55:44pm

re: #370 Creeping Eruption

Scale back?

Rather than silly knife puns, I say we talk about the issues of the day. Like Sonia Sotomayor: If her years on the Bench Made her more of a moderate... and once we get going on this debate, it'll be "Katie, Bar the door!"... so who's with me?

[CRKTs]

391 Athens Runaway  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:56:01pm

re: #372 MandyManners

For example, von Brunn frequented Ron Paul discussion forums, where reasoned discourse is thin on the ground. It's true that Mr. Paul was allowed a podium at the most recent GOP Presidential debate; however, let's recall that Al Sharpton was granted a similar platform at the Democratic counterpart, within living memory.

In addition, von Brunn is now being associated with the LIberty Lobby. William F. Buckley famously purged the mainstream conservative movement of the John Birch Society, and anti-semitic groups like the Liberty Lobby, way back in the early 1960s. For his pains, the Liberty Lobby accused Buckley of being a "mouthpiece" for the Jewish Anti-Defamation League. (After 14 years, Buckley won a libel judgement against the group.)

I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that antisemitism, Paul-sy, and violent radicalism aren't exactly what you'd call right-wing. Ron Paul attracts loons of all stripes, not just right-wingers.

You have right-wing, you have left-wing, and then you have crazy. Ron Paul, Birchers, von Brunn... that's not right-wing. That's crazy.

392 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:56:14pm

re: #383 MandyManners

How did Brunn get his shot-gun from his car and to the museum?

That is an excellent question which I wondered too. Looks like he hardly made it across the threshold, but I know I would have called 911 if I'd seen an elderly man walking around with a rifle.

393 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:56:53pm

re: #387 soxfan4life

So rather than making those who use the emergency room as a Primary care doctor pay for it out of pocket and eliminate those types of expenses, it makes much better sense to come up with the government plan that will actually work instead of the ones in place now. ///////////

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you"

Now bend over sir and get ready to accept your new government healthcare

394 KenJen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:00pm

re: #383 MandyManners

How did Brunn get his shot-gun from his car and to the museum?

Good question. I haven't seen what he was wearing. A long coat in the summertime would look out of place.

395 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:09pm

re: #391 Athens Runaway

I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that antisemitism, Paul-sy, and violent radicalism aren't exactly what you'd call right-wing. Ron Paul attracts loons of all stripes, not just right-wingers.

You have right-wing, you have left-wing, and then you have crazy. Ron Paul, Birchers, von Brunn... that's not right-wing. That's crazy.

DOANT POAK TEH KRAZEE

396 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:12pm

re: #363 opnion

The government in the beginning anyway will allow the private plans to compete. The problem is that Obamacare will cost employers less.
Private plans will be at a cost disadvantage because there will be no government subsidy for them.
Employers will opt for the less expensive plan, so his pledge is meaningless.

It will depend on how good or bad the government plan is at first, and what unemployment is. High unemployment means employers can force employers to take the lousy government plan, because they won't have anywhere to go.
And it looks like that will be the environment when this goes into effect.

I worked for a high-tech company that opened a location in England. The HR person told me they had to offer insurance, because the people they wanted to work for them would work elsewhere instead of being stuck with NHS.

We will be seeing companies who do offer health insurance getting very creative to fire or get to leave employees with health problems so they get on the government plan and keep costs down for the company. This will guarantee full employment for lawyers who specialize in employment and ADA cases.

397 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:15pm
398 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:22pm

re: #389 MandyManners

Do fart jokes abound?

*FFFFFRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPP*

What you think?

399 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:23pm

re: #381 OldLineTexan

Certain food "scraps" emit methan no matter where they end up.

Not if the San Francisco city council passes an ordinance saying they don't.

You apparently missed the memo giving left-wing politicians the authority to repeal the laws of science.

400 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:32pm
401 drogheda  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:34pm

re: #383 MandyManners

How did Brunn get his shot-gun from his car and to the museum?

What I heard was that he double parked his car, got out, had the rifle held at his side, and walked to the door. With the rifle held closely to his side it would be something that could be easily overlooked. Then as the security guard opened the door for him he raised the rifle and shot him in the left side of the chest.

402 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:40pm

re: #390 Occasional Reader

Rather than silly knife puns, I say we talk about the issues of the day. Like Sonia Sotomayor: If her years on the Bench Made her more of a moderate... and once we get going on this debate, it'll be "Katie, Bar the door!"... so who's with me?

[CRKTs]

Buck up!

403 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:57:41pm

re: #392 DistantThunder

That is an excellent question which I wondered too. Looks like he hardly made it across the threshold, but I know I would have called 911 if I'd seen an elderly man walking around with a rifle.

Did he stick it down his pants?

404 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:03pm

re: #394 KenJen

Good question. I haven't seen what he was wearing. A long coat in the summertime would look out of place.

Rain coat?

405 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:04pm

re: #390 Occasional Reader

Rather than silly knife puns, I say we talk about the issues of the day. Like Sonia Sotomayor: If her years on the Bench Made her more of a moderate... and once we get going on this debate, it'll be "Katie, Bar the door!"... so who's with me?

[CRKTs]

You are not a Latina, so what the hell do you know?

/

406 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:05pm

re: #392 DistantThunder

That is an excellent question which I wondered too. Looks like he hardly made it across the threshold, but I know I would have called 911 if I'd seen an elderly man walking around with a rifle.

He parked- well more like double parked illegally- his car right in front of the museum and walked right up to the door. Maybe he had a raincoat on? But it was only like 15 yards

407 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:11pm

re: #387 soxfan4life

So rather than making those who use the emergency room as a Primary care doctor pay for it out of pocket and eliminate those types of expenses, it makes much better sense to come up with the government plan that will actually work instead of the ones in place now. ///////////

They show up in the ER because they treat health care like an expense account and something they don't pay for. I just heard a doctor on Rush saying that patients show up to the ER with toe fungus, and panicked over swine flu with zero symptoms. A $30 or $40 co-pay would absolutely make people think twice and not overuse the system.

408 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:35pm

re: #393 Desert Dog

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you"

Now bend over sir and get ready to accept your new government healthcare

No a digital exam is extra?

409 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:45pm

re: #378 Lincolntf

As happens everywhere Leftism prevails, the empowered class will have the best of everything and the general populace will get the bare minimum. Of course, Obama seems more than willing to let his family members wallow in poverty without so much as a few grand as a helping hnd, so who knows what he'd do?

Obama is an elitist, as is his wife. They strike me as two people with a heanhealth sense of entitlement. The national plan is not for them.
If Teddy Kennedy was in the proposed system it is very doubtful that he would be alive.

410 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:58:46pm

re: #389 MandyManners

Do fart jokes abound?

Quite often. Pink Freud clued me in on "rolling" the beans first to reduce ... errr... "gasiness".

I would have a tough time in SF.

411 Last Mohican  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:59:09pm

re: #406 Nevergiveup

He parked- well more like double parked illegally- his car right in front of the museum and walked right up to the door. Maybe he had a raincoat on? But it was only like 15 yards

And somehow the security guard opened the door for him, apparently not realizing he was carrying a rifle. It looks like it was a transparent glass door too.

412 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:59:22pm

re: #399 lobo91

Not if the San Francisco city council passes an ordinance saying they don't.

You apparently missed the memo giving left-wing politicians the authority to repeal the laws of science.

I fart in their general direction!

/

413 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:59:31pm

Tadpoles, fish fall from sky in Japan
Jun. 11, 2009 12:24 PM
MCT

KANAZAWA, Japan - Tadpoles and small fish have fallen from the sky across several cities in Ishikawa Prefecture recently.

Some people said the fallen objects might have come from the beaks of flying birds, while others said that a gust of wind might have swirled them up together with water. However, the actual reason behind the phenomenon remains unknown, leaving residents of the prefecture looking up and wondering what might fall from the sky next.

On the evening of June 4, a man noticed the sound of something plopping onto the ground at a parking lot of the Nakajima citizens center in Nanao. When he looked back, he saw tadpoles scattered upon a car and on the ground.

414 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:59:34pm

re: #383 MandyManners

How did Brunn get his shot-gun from his car and to the museum?

He walked in the front door.

Not terribly complicated.

415 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:59:34pm

re: #400 Iron Fist

This guy has made repeated death threats. Alouette posted about it up-thread or on the previous threads. The FBI is looking for him.

416 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 1:59:57pm

I'm not sure why these creationists so consistently fail to grasp the difference between evolution and natural selection, and eugenics. They are not the same things, and in fact- they are the opposite of each other. Eugenics is unnatural, man-made selection.

I'm pretty sure the difference in evolution and eugenics can be understood by them- it's just that if they were to be honest, they'd have to give up their favorite talking point of "evolution = nazism". And if they can't link evolution to the nazis, they're not left with much else.

417 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:06pm

re: #401 drogheda

What I heard was that he double parked his car, got out, had the rifle held at his side, and walked to the door. With the rifle held closely to his side it would be something that could be easily overlooked. Then as the security guard opened the door for him he raised the rifle and shot him in the left side of the chest.

I couldn't imagine him walking down the street with it.

418 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:19pm

Good Night Lizards

419 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:21pm

re: #407 DistantThunder

They show up in the ER because they treat health care like an expense account and something they don't pay for. I just heard a doctor on Rush saying that patients show up to the ER with toe fungus, and panicked over swine flu with zero symptoms. A $30 or $40 co-pay would absolutely make people think twice and not overuse the system.

HA! My ER co-pay is $100!

420 J.S.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:27pm

re: #404 MandyManners

A number of articles (from the NY times to a zillion others) mentioned that he made no attempt to conceal the rifle...in other words, he walked up with the rifle in hand...nothing covering it...(Jones, seeing an elderly man approaching, graciously opened the door for him -- whereupon Jones was immediately shot...)

421 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:00:48pm

re: #417 MandyManners

I couldn't imagine him walking down the street with it.

He apparently double-parked right up front.

422 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:01:22pm

re: #413 FurryOldGuyJeans

Tadpoles, fish fall from sky in Japan
Jun. 11, 2009 12:24 PM
MCT

Is that one of the signs of the apocalypse? Maybe the Mayans are off a few years and it is starting early?

423 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:01:25pm

re: #388 Nevergiveup

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he was considering demanding that Israel pay a fine of $11 million for damage it did to UN facilities in Gaza during the IDF offensive there in January.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

All of gaza ain't worth 11 million asshole

The UN should pay for letting their facilities be used for terrorism.

424 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:01:59pm

re: #379 avanti

Society is already bearing the cost for the uninsured when they show up at the emergency room.

THe only obligation is to stabalize the uninsured & then transfer to the County or other public facility.
In practice it doesn't work that way, but increasing the poorly reimursed traffic is not the answer.

425 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:02:06pm

re: #315 MandyManners

Will you contact the FBI?

Last time I checked, it's not illegal to be an asshole.

426 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:02:23pm

I reckon no place is safe.

427 drogheda  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:02:31pm

re: #417 MandyManners

I couldn't imagine him walking down the street with it.

As OldLineTexan says, he parked very close to the door so he probably didn't have to take a dozen steps.

428 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:03:07pm

re: #425 Alouette

Last time I checked, it's not illegal to be an asshole.

I thought you were talking about the Messianic Jew fellow who had made repeated threats to those university people in Colorado.

429 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:03:34pm

Klinghoffer has a follow up article:

What if James von Brunn Had Been an Intelligent Design Advocate?

For those who objected to my post yesterday quoting Holocaust Museum shooting suspect James von Brunn on the role of evolutionary doctrine, however distorted, in his rationale for racism, let me ask you a question. Try this thought experiment. If in his crazed manifesto he had somehow found support for his thinking not in evolution but in intelligent design, do you think we would have heard nothing about it from the media as in fact we've heard nothing (except from me) about his evolutionary thoughts? What if he had based his hate explicitly on Biblical literalist creationism? Or on Roman Catholicism? Or Evangelical Protestantism? Or Orthodox Judaism? Would that similarly have been hushed up?

Continue the thought experiment. Let's say, in this imaginary scenario, that the media had indeed made clear his support for intelligent design, creationism, Roman Catholicism, or what have you. Would you then be condemning the media as you condemn me?

Would the media be lying about creationism as you lied about evolution, David?

430 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:03:49pm

Good Samaritan mugged while helping Mich. motorist
Jun. 11, 2009 12:00 PM
Associated Press

SALINE TOWNSHIP, Mich. – For one man, no good deed went unpunished after he was mugged while stopping to help a female motorist.

431 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:04:11pm

re: #413 FurryOldGuyJeans

Tadpoles, fish fall from sky in Japan
Jun. 11, 2009 12:24 PM
MCT

We'll know it's bad when it starts raining cats and dogs.
/Better not happen over Korea.

432 justabill  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:04:18pm

re: #408 Nevergiveup

No a digital exam is extra?

Yes, but the record of such an exam would ba anal-log

433 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:04:30pm

re: #384 drogheda

GMail Tip: View Headers

Thanks. I figured it out.

434 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:04:40pm

re: #424 opnion

THe only obligation is to stabalize the uninsured & then transfer to the County or other public facility.
In practice it doesn't work that way, but increasing the poorly reimursed traffic is not the answer.

Unless the "uninsured" are near death's doorstep, they are routed ASAP to public hospitals. And I put Uninsured in paraphrases because there are many kinds. Some people, manly young, choose not to insure. It isn't as simple as they can't get insurance.

435 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:04:49pm

re: #429 Sharmuta

Klinghoffer's not helping himself.

Frankly, Von Brunn hated everyone and everything. It seems to have been his reason.

436 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:05:22pm

re: #402 redstateredneck

Buck up!

You wanna piece of me? Go ahead and try! I take take the Wüsthof what you can dish out, no problem at all!

437 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:05:32pm
438 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:05:37pm

Democrats have stripped the bi-partisan provision out of the war funding bill that would prevent the torture photos from being released. mcCain said that maliki says that a referrendum is making it's way through the Iraqi legislature to kick out US troops immediately. He says if the pictures are released his side will lose the referendum.

439 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:05:39pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Unless the "uninsured" are near death's doorstep, they are routed ASAP to public hospitals. And I put Uninsured in paraphrases because there are many kinds. Some people, manly young, choose not to insure. It isn't as simple as they can't get insurance.

And a significant percentage are illegal aliens.

440 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:06:07pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Lots of people don't notice what's going on around them (as you know if you've ever nearly run down some idiot crossing against the light because they're in a cellphone or iPod-induced haze); lots of people, if they do notice, either think, "well, something's going on but I don't need to know about it," or "did I really see that? Naaaaaah."

And those who saw him carrying the gun may well have figured that they'd "best not get involved."

And it all probably transpired in less than 30 seconds.

441 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:06:15pm

re: #407 DistantThunder

They show up in the ER because they treat health care like an expense account and something they don't pay for. I just heard a doctor on Rush saying that patients show up to the ER with toe fungus, and panicked over swine flu with zero symptoms. A $30 or $40 co-pay would absolutely make people think twice and not overuse the system.

That would not address the uninsured, illegal population.
They are working for in many cases under minimum wage & no benefits.
The employers take the cheap labor & pass off the medical costs to society.
These people use the expensive ER option as a primary care doctor, because they have no coverage.

442 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:06:46pm

re: #439 lobo91

And a significant percentage are illegal aliens.

Yes. Thanks for adding that.

443 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:06:52pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Lots of people don't notice what's going on around them (as you know if you've ever nearly run down some idiot crossing against the light because they're in a cellphone or iPod-induced haze); lots of people, if they do notice, either think, "well, something's going on but I don't need to know about it," or "did I really see that? Naaaaaah."

And those who saw him carrying the gun may well have figured that they'd "best not get involved."

Isn't that the same mind set that helped the Holocaust get going in the fist place?

444 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:07:24pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Lots of people don't notice what's going on around them (as you know if you've ever nearly run down some idiot crossing against the light because they're in a cellphone or iPod-induced haze); lots of people, if they do notice, either think, "well, something's going on but I don't need to know about it," or "did I really see that? Naaaaaah."

And those who saw him carrying the gun may well have figured that they'd "best not get involved."

And best case, he would have been inside the door before someone who did decide to call 911 got their phone out...

445 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:07:25pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Unless the "uninsured" are near death's doorstep, they are routed ASAP to public hospitals. And I put Uninsured in paraphrases because there are many kinds. Some people, manly young, choose not to insure. It isn't as simple as they can't get insurance.

Not in Massachusetts; the hospitals have to give them necessary care. After a while, maybe, they can be transferred.
They first put a tax on health insurance to cover the uninsured (stupid, make it more expensive, causing more uninsured), and then they tried requiring everyone to get coverage. That didn't work, either; it is much more expensive than predicted.

446 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:07:31pm
447 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:07:53pm

re: #443 MandyManners

Isn't that the same mind set that helped the Holocaust get going in the fist place?

I wouldn't say that. This happened so fast I doubt many people could have reacted.

448 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:08:14pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Unless the "uninsured" are near death's doorstep, they are routed ASAP to public hospitals. And I put Uninsured in paraphrases because there are many kinds. Some people, manly young, choose not to insure. It isn't as simple as they can't get insurance.

Part of the reason that insurance is not more affordable is that certain states have health insurance mandates up to 1200. IN NJ many insurances are not available because NJ has so man mandates. What SHOULD happen is that young people should be able to get stripped down insurance without mandates for coverage of marital therapy, etc.

449 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:08:29pm

re: #440 Nevergiveup

And it all probably transpired in less than 30 seconds.

I think that's the key point. From what I understand of the schematics here, there was very little time for even an alert passer-by to react. It's not like the guy was strolling around downtown DC for an extended period of time brandishing a rifle, and nobody noticed.

450 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:08:30pm

re: #436 Occasional Reader

You wanna piece of me? Go ahead and try! I take take the Wüsthof what you can dish out, no problem at all!

Cleave me alone!

451 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:09:19pm

Woman mistakenly junks $1 million mattress
Jun. 10, 2009 06:53 AM
Associated Press

JERUSALEM - An Israeli woman mistakenly threw out a mattress with $1 million inside, setting off a frantic search through tons of garbage at a number of landfill sites, Israeli media reported Wednesday.

The woman told Army Radio that she bought her elderly mother a new mattress as a surprise on Monday and threw out the old one, only to discover that her mother had hidden her life savings inside. She was identified only as Anat, a resident of Tel Aviv.

When she went to look for the mattress it had already been taken by garbage men, she said. Subsequent searches at three different landfill sites turned up nothing.

452 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:09:43pm

re: #445 Kosh's Shadow

Not in Massachusetts; the hospitals have to give them necessary care. After a while, maybe, they can be transferred.
They first put a tax on health insurance to cover the uninsured (stupid, make it more expensive, causing more uninsured), and then they tried requiring everyone to get coverage. That didn't work, either; it is much more expensive than predicted.

In Jersey also, but the key is "necessary emergency care". Many of the ambulances are rerouted to public hospitals if it is not critical and the Patient has no insurance- same with walk ins. Someone with a "cold" does not have to be seem but can be rerouted.

453 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:02pm

re: #447 Nevergiveup

I wouldn't say that. This happened so fast I doubt many people could have reacted.

By the time a reasonable person could have concluded that he had a rifle (and not a cane or umbrella, remember this guy is 88), he was probably at the door.

Personally, I would be loathe to tackle an elderly man who I perceived as a "threat" without a good hard look - and there was apparently no time for that.

454 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:16pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup

Unless the "uninsured" are near death's doorstep, they are routed ASAP to public hospitals. And I put Uninsured in paraphrases because there are many kinds. Some people, manly young, choose not to insure. It isn't as simple as they can't get insurance.

ER has to at least stabailze them. It was the crush of ER encounters by illegals that caused the closing of a lot of hospials in border states.
You are right , that a lot of young people pass on the medical paln, particulary young single people, but they are counted as uninsured.

455 DistantThunder  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:21pm

re: #441 opnion

That would not address the uninsured, illegal population.
They are working for in many cases under minimum wage & no benefits.
The employers take the cheap labor & pass off the medical costs to society.
These people use the expensive ER option as a primary care doctor, because they have no coverage.

There are options like Walmart and Target providing basic care with PA's and MD's for minor ailments. It's on a walk in basis, and cheap. The business can then sell all the products for the diagnosis. Win-Win.

456 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:22pm

re: #450 redstateredneck

Cleave me alone!

Hey, it's just a joke. There's no need to make a dama-scene.

457 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:42pm

re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans

Woman mistakenly junks $1 million mattress
Jun. 10, 2009 06:53 AM
Associated Press

She stole that storyline from Spongebob Squarepants.

/

458 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:45pm

re: #448 DistantThunder

Part of the reason that insurance is not more affordable is that certain states have health insurance mandates up to 1200. IN NJ many insurances are not available because NJ has so man mandates. What SHOULD happen is that young people should be able to get stripped down insurance without mandates for coverage of marital therapy, etc.

I agree up to a point. There should be some minimum requirements.

459 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:50pm

Y'all do know when employer-paid health care became popular don't you?

WWII and the years after.

Why? Well, you see, there were these wage and price controls in place. Employers started offering paid health care as a way to entice workers to work for them, instead of someone else.

460 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:10:56pm
461 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:11:09pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember Sanchez when he was a no-talent junior anchor in Miami. He covered a lot of house fires, cats stranded up trees, and petty crime. He grew up with the sensasionalist news format. Sounds like he's graduated to no-talent senior anchor.

462 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:11:33pm

re: #435 Dianna

Klinghoffer's not helping himself.

Frankly, Von Brunn hated everyone and everything. It seems to have been his reason.

But.... that doesn't demonize evolution.

463 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:11:47pm

re: #454 opnion

ER has to at least stabailze them. It was the crush of ER encounters by illegals that caused the closing of a lot of hospials in border states.
You are right , that a lot of young people pass on the medical paln, particulary young single people, but they are counted as uninsured.

Where I work insurance for a single employee is $70.00 per month and I have single guys pass on it all the time.

464 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:11:48pm

re: #457 OldLineTexan

She stole that storyline from Spongebob Squarepants.

/

Someone else who has watched that show who isn't a kid, wow. ;)

465 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:11:51pm

re: #439 lobo91

And a significant percentage are illegal aliens.

The strain on county med centers here in AZ and other border states is getting to the critical level. Pregnant women, chronic disease patients, etc all flock to the nearest hospital north of the border if they can. They know that they will get treatment regardless of the ability to pay. Those costs are passed on to everyone. If we adopt some sore of universal coverage, you will see a flood of people come from the south to take advantage of that.

We need to think long and hard how to take care of everyone and still be able to pay for it. I hope Obama does not turn our system into a "National Health Clone". Everyone's service will decrease and people will die sooner than they should due to rationing.

466 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:12:03pm

re: #429 Sharmuta

Klinghoffer has a follow up article:

It's always interesting to see how somebody can live an apparently normal life without the slightest need to use any higher brain function.

467 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:12:32pm

re: #445 Kosh's Shadow

The MA version of Health care didn't survive 6 months before it's entire financial structure was exposed to be a house of cards that reduced the level of care while funneling tons of money into the Health care bureaucracy. Obama wants the exact same thing for every American, particularly those bad people who didn't vote for him.

468 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:13:12pm

re: #455 DistantThunder

There are options like Walmart and Target providing basic care with PA's and MD's for minor ailments. It's on a walk in basis, and cheap. The business can then sell all the products for the diagnosis. Win-Win.

And the doctors and hospitals tried hard to prevent the drugstore chain CVS from opening such clinics in Mass. CVS got to open them, but with restrictions.

469 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:13:46pm

re: #464 FurryOldGuyJeans

I loves me some Spongebob.

Fire underwater? Greedy crabs with whales for daughters? Blowfish driving school? Selective gravity?

/Makes more sense than the evening news

470 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:13:49pm

re: #456 Occasional Reader

Hey, it's just a joke. There's no need to make a dama-scene.

I suppose since you whet your wit on me you think you've got an edge.

471 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:14:00pm
472 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:14:28pm

re: #430 FurryOldGuyJeans

Stop at 2:30 a.m. in a remote, isolated area to help a "female" motorist? Save yourself a mugging. Call it in.

473 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:14:46pm

re: #455 DistantThunder

There are options like Walmart and Target providing basic care with PA's and MD's for minor ailments. It's on a walk in basis, and cheap. The business can then sell all the products for the diagnosis. Win-Win.

That is helpful, but if you are an illegal working for a disgracefully low wage, you would want to be a Charfity write off at the ER

474 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans

Woman mistakenly junks $1 million mattress
Jun. 10, 2009 06:53 AM
Associated Press

Ya see! Ya see! Crikeys. Dem Juice are so blinkin' rich that their junk mattresses have a million dollars in them.

475 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:14:51pm

re: #453 OldLineTexan

Personally, I would be loathe to tackle an elderly man who I perceived as a "threat" without a good hard look

Back in the 80s (and this video is probably avail on the innernut), some lefties here in DC decided to stage a "re-enactment" of "human rights abuses in El Salvador", in the lefty Dupont Circle neighborhood. So, they had some lads with realistic-looking replica rifles, rounding up screaming "peasants", etc.

The lads quickly wound up staring down the barrels of Metro DC Police-issue .38s, needless to say. They were quite lucky not to get shot.

So, yes, it's not exactly a slam-dunk that you have an instant right to inflict possibly crippling physical violence (in the case of an old man) on anyone you see in public with what appears to be a firearm. I can't chalk this up to "inattentive public".

476 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:14:59pm

re: #469 OldLineTexan

I loves me some Spongebob.

Fire underwater? Greedy crabs with whales for daughters? Blowfish driving school? Selective gravity?

/Makes more sense than the evening news

Have you ever watched Fairly Odd Parents? SBSP and FOP are two cartoons that are excellent.

477 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:15:02pm

re: #469 OldLineTexan

I loves me some Spongebob.

Arrr. Do you know Mr. Krabs' first name?

478 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:15:03pm

Gotta go work out.
Later, lizards!

479 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:15:37pm

re: #463 redstateredneck

Where I work insurance for a single employee is $70.00 per month and I have single guys pass on it all the time.

Sometimes young people are just ill informed. Many of the young enlisted reservist I see can get Tricare Health Insurance ( and it's great insurance) for about $45 a month. I lecture them and some then pick it up but kids are still kids, and even some of these young Marines are kids. Oh and some of the Officers are unaware also.

480 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:16:12pm

re: #469 OldLineTexan

I loves me some Spongebob.

Fire underwater? Greedy crabs with whales for daughters? Blowfish driving school? Selective gravity?

/Makes more sense than the evening news

Oh, need I add that Squidward is my "hero"? ;)

481 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:16:20pm

re: #466 John Neverbend

It's always interesting to see how somebody can live an apparently normal life without the slightest need to use any higher brain function.

The comments are great- he gets called on his BS. Interestingly enough- he hasn't responded. I *wonder* why.

482 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:16:26pm

re: #475 Occasional Reader

and this video is probably avail


"... able"

(now that was one strange-ass typo)

483 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:16:40pm

re: #476 FurryOldGuyJeans

Have you ever watched Fairly Odd Parents? SBSP and FOP are two cartoons that are excellent.

Some of those cartoons are quite clever. I watch them all the time with my 8 year old.

484 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:16:50pm

re: #477 John Neverbend

Arrr. Do you know Mr. Krabs' first name?

Eugene, of course. ;)

485 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:17:16pm

re: #458 Nevergiveup

I agree up to a point. There should be some minimum requirements.

I'd like to be able to buy a policy that does not cover birth control or childbirth. I had my tubes tied years ago and have no need. But the state won't let me. I also understand there are laws making it very difficult to buy a policy in another state that's more suited to one's needs. As an adult, I'm willing to assume certain risks by having a bare-bones policy, but apparently the state doesn't think I can make that decision for myself.

486 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:17:17pm

re: #477 John Neverbend

Arrr. Do you know Mr. Krabs' first name?

Eugene.

487 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:17:19pm

re: #476 FurryOldGuyJeans

Have you ever watched Fairly Odd Parents? SBSP and FOP are two cartoons that are excellent.

Its ok. I am a Phineus and Ferb fan myself.

488 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:17:33pm

re: #473 opnion

That is helpful, but if you are an illegal working for a disgracefully low wage, you would want to be a Charfity write off at the ER

Some illegals do OK. I was behind a woman with "No Ingles" at a local grocery. She paid for her food from a fat roll of twenties.

Yes, I know these people distrust banks and other institutions. I know some of them work like dogs for nothing. But some of them are apparently doing OK in their "cash-only, no taxes" world.

489 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:17:52pm

re: #477 John Neverbend

Arrr. Do you know Mr. Krabs' first name?

Eugene.

/and he's been a very naughty boy!

490 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:17:59pm

re: #481 Sharmuta

The comments are great- he gets called on his BS. Interestingly enough- he hasn't responded. I *wonder* why.

I read one of his books on religion. Strangely enough, there was no reference to evolution. He couldn't quite work it in to a story about the life of Abraham.

491 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:18:11pm

re: #484 FurryOldGuyJeans

Eugene, of course. ;)

How about Squidward's last name?

492 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:18:12pm

Koskidz found this....
Right-Wing Extremist ID Card

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It's affiliated with Jerry Falwell.

493 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:18:23pm

re: #485 doppelganglander

I'd like to be able to buy a policy that does not cover birth control or childbirth. I had my tubes tied years ago and have no need. But the state won't let me. I also understand there are laws making it very difficult to buy a policy in another state that's more suited to one's needs. As an adult, I'm willing to assume certain risks by having a bare-bones policy, but apparently the state doesn't think I can make that decision for myself.

And there are some health insurances that pay for sex changes--I'd opt out of that!

494 Last Mohican  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:18:45pm

re: #77 Last Mohican

Sorry, I just realized I made a mistake. It was Debbie Schlussel who blamed the Muslims for Von Brunn's actions, not Michelle Malkin. Sorry, Michelle.

495 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:14pm
496 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:16pm

re: #491 Desert Dog

How about Squidward's last name?

Tentacles.

497 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:23pm

re: #491 Desert Dog

Tentacles.

498 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:28pm

re: #492 Killgore Trout

If believing in the sanctity of every human life and in personal accountability to God makes us right-wing extremists, then let’s be glad that God prefers extremists in His churches (see Revelations 3:15-16). Extremism in the service of God is always a virtue, no matter what the Department of Homeland Security and its misguided Secretary might believe.


Yeesh.

499 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:36pm

re: #493 Nevergiveup

And there are some health insurances that pay for sex changes--I'd opt out of that!

Me too!

500 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:41pm

re: #491 Desert Dog

How about Squidward's last name?

Q. Tentacles

501 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:19:50pm

re: #489 OldLineTexan

Eugene.

/and he's been a very naughty boy!

My watching of cartoons evolves as my children get older. Now we're up to Family Guy. Somewhere along the evolutionary path, we missed Futurama. I'm not sure how that happened.

502 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:20:23pm

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Koskidz found this....
Right-Wing Extremist ID Card


It's affiliated with Jerry Falwell.

I already have both a military ID and an NRA Endowment Member card, so I think I'm covered.

503 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:20:37pm

re: #501 John Neverbend

My watching of cartoons evolves as my children get older. Now we're up to Family Guy. Somewhere along the evolutionary path, we missed Futurama. I'm not sure how that happened.

My son and I watch Adult Swim together, now that it's summer. I am a bad parent.

But he loves Futurama, as do I.

504 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:20:53pm

re: #501 John Neverbend

Futurama is way better than Family Guy, imo.

505 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:21:17pm

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Koskidz found this....
Right-Wing Extremist ID Card


It's affiliated with Jerry Falwell.

Here's an another, but it's from a Leftwing Extremist Group

506 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:21:44pm

re: #502 lobo91

I already have both a military ID and an NRA Endowment Member card, so I think I'm covered.

I wish I had more than one upding to give ya for that one

507 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:21:56pm

re: #489 OldLineTexan

Eugene.

/and he's been a very naughty boy!

Who dated Mr. Krab's mother?

508 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:16pm

re: #498 Killgore Trout

Wonderful! Change a few words like "God" to "allah" and "church" to "mosque" and it sounds like a Friday imam speech.

509 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:19pm

re: #503 OldLineTexan

My son and I watch Adult Swim together, now that it's summer. I am a bad parent.

But he loves Futurama, as do I.

My kids started watching Adult Swim in their early teens. I am probably a bad parent, too. I watch some of it just so I know what they're talking about.

510 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:25pm

re: #507 FurryOldGuyJeans

Plankton, but she left with the robot.

511 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:43pm

re: #505 Desert Dog

Here's an another, but it's from a Leftwing Extremist Group

How long have you been waiting to use that? Great one!

512 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:49pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

Futurama is way better than Family Guy, imo.

My favourite is Zoidberg.

513 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:22:52pm

You guys know your SpongeBob!

514 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:11pm

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Koskidz found this....
Right-Wing Extremist ID Card


It's affiliated with Jerry Falwell.

Falwell's been dead for a couple years, at least. How is it affiliated with him?

515 drogheda  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:23pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

Futurama is way better than Family Guy, imo.

Did you hear there's going to be new Futurama episodes?

516 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:24pm

re: #495 Iron Fist

If you get it done, let me know how it goes. The whole experience. I know you know better to trust your primary weapon to anyone but some of the best (Novak, Gemini, or Cylinder and Slide come to mind, but there are a number of others).

If I'm just doing the front strap checkering, I would probably just send it on in to Kimber. They price out favorably, and seem to do a good job.

If I wanted to do other things, I'd look at those guys, and Wilson Combat.

517 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:33pm

re: #512 John Neverbend

My favourite is Zoidberg.

I'm all about Bender.

518 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:35pm

re: #510 OldLineTexan

Plankton, but she left with the robot.

Plankton's first name?

His wife's name?

And what does wife stand for?

519 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:23:59pm

re: #459 razorbacker

Y'all do know when employer-paid health care became popular don't you?

WWII and the years after.

Why? Well, you see, there were these wage and price controls in place. Employers started offering paid health care as a way to entice workers to work for them, instead of someone else.

I believe Henry Kaiser, the innovative WWII shipbuilder started this. If I recall the article (from WWII Magazine) correctly, he was at the forefront of offering paid healthcare to his employees. After WWII, he decided to get into healthcare, hence today's kaiserpermanente.

520 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:05pm

re: #508 Sharmuta

Wonderful! Change a few words like "God" to "allah" and "church" to "mosque" and it sounds like a Friday imam speech.

CAIR tactics.

521 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:10pm

re: #515 drogheda

Did you hear there's going to be new Futurama episodes?

I did hear that, and I may reconsider getting cable just to see them.

522 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:17pm

re: #517 Sharmuta

I'm all about Bender.

Speaking of which, it is about time to check out for happy hour.

523 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:22pm

re: #517 Sharmuta

I'm all about Bender.

Yeah, Bender's good as well. Robot sarcasm is where I'm at.

524 A.W.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:27pm

Look, he was a white supremacist who hates jews, denies the holocaust but really wished it did happen, was a truther and i hear a birth certificate conspiracy theorist, hates christians, Bush, may have been targeting the weekly standard, and says socialism is the future of america.

Really anyone who claims he is a "right wing" or "left wing" kind of guy is kidding themselves. he seems more to belong right in that moronic convergence between the far left and the far right.

We should stop trying to politicize this one way or the other and just hope he dies and burns in hell, and the people he shot live.

And maybe people would be reminded that anti-semitism is real, and evil.

525 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:27pm

re: #514 Dianna

Falwell's been dead for a couple years, at least. How is it affiliated with him?

Some people are hung up the DHS report and try to work it into every thread

526 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:33pm

re: #514 Dianna

Falwell's been dead for a couple years, at least. How is it affiliated with him?

Maybe they hold seances. It's too much trouble to dig him up everytime a bogeyman is needed.

527 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:48pm

re: #495 Iron Fist

bought a Llama .45 one time

Al'pack-a some of that heat any time.

528 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:24:58pm

re: #518 FurryOldGuyJeans

Plankton's first name?

His wife's name?

And what does wife stand for?

Sheldon

Karen, but I forgot what W.I.F.E. stands for

529 opnion  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:25:23pm

re: #488 OldLineTexan

Some illegals do OK. I was behind a woman with "No Ingles" at a local grocery. She paid for her food from a fat roll of twenties.

Yes, I know these people distrust banks and other institutions. I know some of them work like dogs for nothing. But some of them are apparently doing OK in their "cash-only, no taxes" world.

Ya know this is not a slam on the people as people who are here illeagally, but it is tresspassing. Pressure is exerted on the medical delivery system, education & corrections.
If you witnessed any of the immigration parades it was obvious that many had no interest in assimilation & believe that they are entitled to be here with benefits.
I have spent enough time in Mexico to know that if I were not a member of the upper class that I would want out.Still it is not justified.

530 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:25:44pm

re: #514 Dianna

Falwell's been dead for a couple years, at least. How is it affiliated with him?

It's part of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. They banned the student Democrats club last month.

531 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:25:57pm

re: #518 FurryOldGuyJeans

Plankton's first name?

His wife's name?

And what does wife stand for?

Sheldon.
Karen.
something!

/

532 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #528 Desert Dog

Sheldon

Karen, but I forgot what W.I.F.E. stands for

Wired Integrated Female Encephalograph.

533 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #514 Dianna

It's "affiliated with him" because Killgore has yet to find a web-link of the shooter drinking a cup of tea, so he needs another bogeyman to distract and mislead people with.
Pretty much SOP around here.

534 mph  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:26:38pm

Bet you dollars to donuts, von Brunn is a creationist.

535 jcm  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:26:43pm

re: #379 avanti

Society is already bearing the cost for the uninsured when they show up at the emergency room.

And fucking over those who work hard and have insurance solves that?
We'd just be equally fucked.

The uninsured aren't all victims. Of the "40 million," 10 million are illegals, another huge portion choose not buy insurance mostly the young.

Why do you think government taking over 1/7th of the economy will make things better. You know what NICE in Britain is? Obama already has a corollary committee started.

536 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:27:03pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

Some people are hung up the DHS report and try to work it into every thread

Um.

I hate to bring it up, but, Falwell was dead before the memo came out, or was written, too.

537 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:27:12pm

re: #520 Killgore Trout

It's the same general thought process- you can change the labels, but it's the same damn thing. Religious fundamentalists share the same underlying assumptions about mankind, and their solution is their holy book.

538 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:27:26pm

re: #532 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wired Integrated Female Encephalograph.

I bow to your SpongBobology!

539 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:28:28pm

re: #538 Desert Dog

I bow to your SpongBobology!

They have several of the entire seasons on DVD, but they do not have the original pilot. I am so bummed.

540 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:28:41pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

Some people are hung up the DHS report and try to work it into every thread

Sew what?

541 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:28:44pm

re: #530 Killgore Trout

It's part of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. They banned the student Democrats club last month.

Falwell - though I guess we can blame him for having founded LU - cannot be blamed for either of these. Once you're dead, you're dead. You're not banning clubs or issuing silly cards.

542 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:28:58pm

re: #535 jcm

The uninsured aren't all victims. Of the "40 million," 10 million are illegals, another huge portion choose not buy insurance mostly the young.

Another large portion are people who are temporarily unemployed, which is a constantly changing group.

543 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:30:30pm
544 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:30:34pm

re: #533 Lincolntf

I've been here quite some time, and I know KT. I don't agree with him on certain points - as everyone here knows - but I am absolutely certain that remark was out of line.

545 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:31:53pm

re: #534 mph

Bet you dollars to donuts, von Brunn is a creationist.

It probably depended on the phase of the moon. That man was utterly curdled with hatred. He hated everyone. He called Christianity a hoax, as well.

546 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:32:11pm

re: #89 razorbacker

Thanks.

*"But Unca Razorbacker, we gotta have a navy. Otherwise who's gonna drive us Marines over to the fighting?"*

And back, you magnificent victorious bastards!

547 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:32:46pm

re: #543 Iron Fist

And your point?


My point is that the right wing reaction to the DHS memo was (and continues to be) very embarrassing.

548 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:32:59pm

re: #545 Dianna

It probably depended on the phase of the moon. That man was utterly curdled with hatred. He hated everyone. He called Christianity a hoax, as well.

Which rather makes Creationism with a capital "C" a non-starter.

Unless he has a variation on the turtle-stack theology that I have yet to hear.

549 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:34:16pm

re: #547 Killgore Trout

My point is that the right wing reaction to the DHS memo was (and continues to be) very embarrassing.

No one had mentioned it until you did.

Are you just bored and aching for a fight?

550 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:34:22pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

Some people are hung up the DHS report and try to work it into every thread

Heh. I know it's very confusing to some people but the DHS memo is not off topic for this thread.

551 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:35:07pm

re: #549 Dianna

No one had mentioned it until you did.

Are you just bored and aching for a fight?

Just linking to information relevant to the story. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings.

552 Dianna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:36:40pm

re: #550 Killgore Trout

Heh. I know it's very confusing to some people but the DHS memo is not off topic for this thread.

Yes, it is.

Could you please stop beating the dead horse? Better yet, stop grabbing extraneous nonsense to beat said former equine with.

re: #551 Killgore Trout

Just linking to information relevant to the story. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings.

Not my feelings, KT. I'm just bored to death with you. What you think is relevant, isn't. It's extraneous and boring, boring, boring.

553 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:38:21pm
554 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:40:11pm

re: #550 Killgore Trout

Heh. I know it's very confusing to some people but the DHS memo is not off topic for this thread.

Look I really don't want to pick a fight with you. And even thought I have commented on the DHS report, to be honest, it is a very minor point in the News. It might be a hot topic here at LGF but outside in the real world- aside from some mention on the TV News- I have NEVER heard anyone talk about it. So I am not gonna comment on it again unless someone says something really outrages and I will not comment on it when you keep making reference to it. I am kinda sorry I did at all. I think we have better things to fight about. So have a good night. have a drink on me.

555 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:40:29pm

re: #400 Iron Fist

Shrieking Banshee

I bet I know who that is.

556 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:43:18pm

re: #552 Dianna

Yes, it is.

Could you please stop beating the dead horse?


No. The DHS memo is relevant to Von Brunn, that's a fact. It will also be relevant to future attacks by right wing extremists, there seems to be one every few months. That's the reality of the situation and you can't prevent people from discussing it. It's not your blog and it's not your decision.

557 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:43:46pm

re: #362 Athens Runaway

I know that the popular meme is to say that Von Brunn was a right-winger, but there is evidence that he was also targeting The Weekly Standard, FOX News, and he also hated Christianity...

Those don't sound like "right-wing" values to me. More than anything else, he looks like a Bircher, which were denounced soundly by Buckley.

The best I can determine by reading so far, Von Brunn's grudge against Weekly Standard, Fox News, etc. is that they weren't extreme/authoritarian enough for him. Doesn't necessarily put him at the whole opposite end of the spectrum. Short version: He wanted his crazy ramped up way farther. Which, considering the lineup at Fox et al these days, is frightening. I'm open to evidence to the contrary.

558 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:43:54pm

re: #544 Dianna

It may very well be "out of line" with normal deference shown to him, but it's 100% what I feel.
I know a message-peddler disguised as an opinion-giver when I see one. He's the former.

559 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:43:55pm

re: #322 Occasional Reader

He's certainly never had to deal with the question "which Quinton Ezeagwula?".

(And I do hope he's sufficiently recovered right now to read this and (hopefully) laugh at it.)

I can't find a picture of the guy himself, but all the other Ezeagwulas whose pictures I can find on Google are black. It sounds West African.

560 lobo91  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:45:02pm

re: #550 Killgore Trout

Heh. I know it's very confusing to some people but the DHS memo is not off topic for this thread.

The only thing that confuses me is why anyone who thought that memo was useful to law enforcement would bring it up in this context.

Any law enforcement agency that took that memo to heart is now spending its time and resources watching lawful gun owners, military veterans, and people who are opposed to abortion.

Meanwhile, a convicted felon who's an actual member of a white supremacist group, who published hate speech on multiple websites, and who illegally owned at least one firearm was able to attempt mass murder right down the street from FBI headquarters.

I don't think I'd be pointing to that memo as a shining example of government crime-fighting prowess under the circumstances, but that's just me...

561 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:46:46pm
562 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:48:02pm

re: #391 Athens Runaway

I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that antisemitism, Paul-sy, and violent radicalism aren't exactly what you'd call right-wing. Ron Paul attracts loons of all stripes, not just right-wingers.

You have right-wing, you have left-wing, and then you have crazy. Ron Paul, Birchers, von Brunn... that's not right-wing. That's crazy.

Anti-Semitism is wingless. Violent radicalism--I don't know. This comes back to which wing has to take the Klan.

563 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:50:28pm

re: #561 Iron Fist

I'm frequently wrong and will always accept factual corrections. But I'm right about the DHS memo. I was right about the Tea Parties. My money stress in minimal these days so that's not a factor. I think you're mistaking reality for stress related insanity.

564 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:51:03pm
565 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:51:12pm

re: #410 OldLineTexan

Quite often. Pink Freud clued me in on "rolling" the beans first to reduce ... errr... "gasiness".

I would have a tough time in SF.

A note about San Francisco--we pass many strange laws here, but we don't have the means to enforce them, so they're really more like guidelines...I mean, if you want to move out here, you actually could fart in peace, and also feel as though you were living dangerously.

566 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:55:22pm

re: #454 opnion

ER has to at least stabailze them. It was the crush of ER encounters by illegals that caused the closing of a lot of hospials in border states.
You are right , that a lot of young people pass on the medical paln, particulary young single people, but they are counted as uninsured.

It's also not as easy to get insurance independently as you might guess. I tried to sign up for Kaiser when I was a grad student, and was disallowed because I was obese. Wearing misses' sizes, mind you, but my BMI was not acceptable. It wasn't that they'd charge me by the pound, they simply wouldn't insure me.

I finally got coverage through the school, but I imagine this is an issue for a lot of people, and I don't see it addressed.

567 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:57:11pm

re: #563 Killgore Trout

Actually, you were 100% wrong about the Tea Parties. Every person who attended one told you what they saw and you insisted on believing the Nazi and Paulian websites instead. Your willingness to crawl in bed with crazies has nothing to do with the reality of the Tea Parties, which were about citizens waking up to the fact that they can't pay Obama's debt.

568 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 2:58:09pm

re: #565 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL, that is an idea I will have to consider!

569 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:04:01pm

re: #503 OldLineTexan

My son and I watch Adult Swim together, now that it's summer. I am a bad parent.

But he loves Futurama, as do I.

You'll be glad to hear that Comedy Central just bought 16 new episodes, to be aired in 2010.

570 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:24:06pm

Okay. Sure. If a psychotic Pro-Lifer murdering an abortion doctor can make abortion a universally good thing, then a psychotic Neo-Nazi murdering a security guard can make evolution a universally bad thing.

/ / / / / There aren't enough sarc tags in the universe to demonstrate how sarcastic I am being.

571 zombie  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 3:38:24pm

re: #247 Charles

His rant is pretty incoherent - but I think he's actually in favor of "Mendelism." A quote:

By the 1980s, however, the vast benefits being made available to Mankind through Mendelism were described in the most prestigious scientific journals, lectures, and so on, making it impossible for the mass-media to conceal the FACTS any longer; one of which is: the Races are inherently unequal. This irrefutable fact strikes at the heart of MARXISM/ LIBERALISM/JEWRY and their effort to miscegenate the Races and create One World ILLUMINATI Government. As one might expect the mass-media, Christian Church, JEWRY and academia continue to promulgate the false doctrines of BOASISM and ignore or decry Mendelism.

Wow, that is pretty incoherent.

Hmmmmm, though I'm getting a glimpse of his "thesis," as it were. I think by referring to "Mendelism" and "Boasism" he's basically trying to talk about nature vs. nuture -- that racial differences are 100% nature, or something like that.

Ah well, skip the whole "Mendelism" thing then. His worldview is so cockamamie that blaming somebody for it, or even trying to make sense of it, is not possible.

572 J.S.  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:08:03pm

re: #571 zombie

(as I recall from my anthropology courses -- it was Franz Boas who revolutionized the field of anthropology -- he left a lasting influence in North America. Boas differed radically from his "Continental contemporaries." judged from today's standards, Boas's enemies were racists...frequently espousing views that cultures evolved -- from primitive to sophisticated -- Boas would have none of that -- the whole thing about "cultural relativism" came from Boas...anyway, there are Wiki articles on Boas, and his enormous/profound/lasting (very humane understandings) in the field of Anthropology in North America (his views were not accepted by European academics)...

573 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:12:27pm

re: #30 Charles


It reads like a neo-Nazi version of a Dr. Bronner's soap bottle.

574 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:20:24pm

re: #572 J.S.

Boas would have none of that -- the whole thing about "cultural relativism" came from Boas...anyway, there are Wiki articles on Boas, and his enormous/profound/lasting (very humane understandings) in the field of Anthropology in North America (his views were not accepted by European academics)...

Boas was good on anthropological ethics - don't judge when you must study. But he was also an activist, and there his influence has been a disaster. For instance, "we have no right to impose our ideals upon other nations, no matter ... how much opposed their ideals may be to ours." Spoken like a true Baghdad Bob.

575 Gabriel Hanna  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:27:32pm

I've own a copy of Mein Kampf. Most people don't get through it; it's turgid and confused and hateful.

Mein Kampf is available online in its entirety, here:

[Link: www.hitler.org...]

If Klinghoffer had really read it with any other purpose than trying to score points on Darwin, he would have noted the following passages:

...it was the hand of the goddess of eternal justice and inexorable retribution which caused Archduke Francis Ferdinand, the most mortal enemy of Austrian-Germanism, to fall by the bullets which he himself had helped to mold....

How thankful I am today to the Providence which sent me to that school! In it I could no longer sabotage the subjects I did not like. It educated me quickly and thoroughly.

...what then seemed to be the harshness of Fate, I praise today as wisdom and Providence. While the Goddess of Suffering took me in her arms, often threatening to crush me, my will to resistance grew, and in the end this will was victorious....

...For when a people is not willing or able to fight for its existence- Providence in its eternal justice has decreed that people's end.

This is just the first three chapters. He is always going on about Goddess of this, Providence that, Jesus Christ t'other.

Sounds just like Richard Dawkins, doesn't it?

"Pagan" or maybe "Deist" might be a word you could use to describe what passed in Hitler for religion, but "any stick to beat Jews with" is a better description. But he explicitly references a Creator God who shares his nutty and racist beliefs, and never references Charles Darwin.

576 Deseeded  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:34:08pm

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Obviously, von Brunn was a Tyrannosorehead.

Quick, let's link this to homosexuality! Von Brunn was also Tyrannosexual!


Honestly, the scum at the "Discovery Institute"* can all take a long walk off a short pier. These people are vile and hateful cretins with a non-cause and a racist/religionist(is that a word?) chip on their never-evolved perfectly designed shoulders.

I say, let the first supporter of the "Discovery Institute"* missing a lower rib (perhaps allowing autofellatio?) throw the first stone.

Quotations because discovery means "finding stuff". Obviously they missed that memo on the 6th day of creation....

577 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:36:40pm

I'm outta here.

I can't believe you're STILL talking about it.

578 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 4:57:05pm

OK Everyone -

In the Queen's SLANG English - Von Brunn is a - NUTTER. I feel sorry for the family of the Guard - The Nice Man, the Gentle Giant, that opened the door for an 80'ish man that wanted to come in. That is all - and more than enough.

-S-

579 MPH  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:04:16pm

I do not suggest clicking the links, but look at these thread titles.

[Link: www.google.com...]

580 MPH  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:06:43pm

re: #579 MPH

I do not suggest clicking the links, but look at these thread titles.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Could the Von Brunn incident be another Mossad Op?

White Racialist Treasure: James Von Brunn

Why He Did It And Why Von Brunn Won't Be The Last

581 Deseeded  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:10:50pm

re: #59 ArchangelMichael

You Anti-Ismist!

582 MPH  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 5:17:48pm

re: #545 Dianna

He called Christianity a hoax, as well.

Did he?

He sounds like a Christian fundamentalist in the extreme, to me:

[Link: 74.125.47.132...]

Complete with the references to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The guy thought much of Christianity today was corrupted by Jewish influence.

Trust me -- Klinghoffer's evolution shtick is hollow in this specific case. von Brunn is a creationist.


Lucifer (Satan, The Devil) established an earthly kingdom where he and his disciples (ILLUMINATI) profited from the tears, toil, sweat and blood of Mankind: garnering men's bodies and souls. Lucifer's enterprise was so successful that Yahweh waxed sorely wroth and in a pique of jealousy
(HOLOCAUST numero uno) drowned the entire human race — men, women, and children! — with the exception of Noah, HEBREW, “a lovable drunk,” and his family.

If the guy believes in the flood, he believes in young eartherism.

583 Hhar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:01:46pm

re: #582 MPH

Oh no, he's derisively citing the bible as a myth, and contrasting it with what he thinks is reality (or as he says: REALITY!)

THE MYTH: In the Beginning LUCIFER, “Angel ofLight,” believed himself greater than Yahweh. Disguised as aserpent in the Garden of Eden, Lucifer seduced Eve (theTALMUD says fornicated with her), breaking God's Laws,introducing sin into the World. For this and other abomina-tions Lucifer and his co-CONSPIRATORS among theHeavenly Host were cast from Heaven. Because he is anarchangel Lucifer remains an indestructible malignant spiritcreated we're told by Yahweh, the “omnipotent”! O how thou art fallen from Heaven O Lucifer, Son of theMorning Star! How art thou cut down To the ground whichdid weaken the Nations!HOLY BIBLE: Isaiah 14.
Page 63
JAMES W. VON BRUNN63 Lucifer (Satan, The Devil) established an earthly king-dom where he and his disciples (ILLUMINATI) profitedfrom the tears, toil, sweat and blood of Mankind: garneringmen's bodies and souls. Lucifer's enterprise was so successfulthat Yahweh waxed sorely wroth and in a pique of jealousy(HOLOCAUST numero uno) drowned the entire humanrace — men, women, and children! — with the exception ofNoah, HEBREW, “a lovable drunk,” and his family. Albeit,after the mass-drownings everything went to Hell in a bas-ket, again. And again. And again! The crux of this HEBRAICmyth is: God cannot defeat Satan!THE REALITY: the myth explains why Rothschildnamed the ILLUMINATI for Lucifer, and why he adoptedinto his cartouche the symbolic Hebraic Snake, representingLucifer's cunning and deception. Lucifer's apostasy and hismodus operandi appeal greatly to Usurers: human snakeswith little or nothing to commend them...

: etc...

See, the Hebrew Bible here simply contains a code that tells Jews how to rule the world etc. etc. If he's a creationist, I'm a duck.

584 Hhar  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:46pm

re: #575 Gabriel Hanna

I think Hitler's religious ideas can be termed "woolly headed Germanic mysticism". I agree he wasn't an atheist. He certainly wasn't an orthodox Christian ("That Jew Paul ruined everything!").

585 Neo_  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:12:55am

Has anybody seen any verification of the reports that James von Brunn was registered as a Democrat in Maryland ?

586 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:27:12am

re: #585 Neo_

Has anybody seen any verification of the reports that James von Brunn was registered as a Democrat in Maryland ?

No, there is no confirmation of that claim. As far as I know right now, it's false.

587 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:24:16pm

re: #534 mph

Bet you dollars to donuts, von Brunn is a creationist.

lol
Wouldn't bet against that...


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