Jump to bottom

266 comments

1 Macker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:06:15pm

Steely Dan Kicks ASS!

2 Gus  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:06:22pm

Is there gas in the car?

3 Racer X  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:06:52pm

Coolness.

4 SteveC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:07:00pm

Holy cow, It's Steely Dan!

I'm not worthy! *Bows deeply*

5 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:07:50pm

"Kid Charlemagne"? Didn't he used to be known as Charlie Brown?

//////

6 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:08:52pm

YES. I love Steely Dan. The backing musicians on the original version were amazing. Larry Carlton was a beast. I assume it was Chuck Rainey on bass -another monster. Drums....Porcaro? Gordon? Purdie? Marotta?

7 SteveC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:09:14pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

"Kid Charlemagne"? Didn't he used to be known as Charlie Brown?

//////

That was back before the war.

"The Waw," us Southerners might say.

8 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:10:32pm

The Savage Alberta railway is no more, but I thought I'd leave you lizards with this image of the affiliated Savage, Garfield & Bingham in Utah.

Later!

9 Macker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:10:52pm

re: #2 Gus 802

Is there gas in the car?

Definitely worth 85 mph!

10 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:11:14pm

re: #6 Bloodnok

YES. I love Steely Dan. The backing musicians on the original version were amazing. Larry Carlton was a beast. I assume it was Chuck Rainey on bass -another monster. Drums....Porcaro? Gordon? Purdie? Marotta?

According to Wiki it was Bernard Purdie. Quite a character and quite a drummer (for proof listen to "Home At Last" right now).

11 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:11:18pm
12 SteveC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:11:28pm

Billy Joe McAlister jumped off the Saluda River Bridge.

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — When drivers on a stretch of South Carolina interstate saw someone jump off a bridge, they called 911, fearing they were watching a suicide. Instead, multiple media outlets reported Thursday that the callers were just watching Lyle Silkwood jump from the Interstate 26 bridge into the Saluda River near Columbia to meet a passing friend in a boat after his truck ran out of gas.

13 Gus  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:11:43pm

re: #9 Macker

Definitely worth 85 mph!

At least! =)

14 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:11:52pm

re: #6 Bloodnok

YES. I love Steely Dan. The backing musicians on the original version were amazing. Larry Carlton was a beast. I assume it was Chuck Rainey on bass -another monster. Drums....Porcaro? Gordon? Purdie? Marotta?

You mean Jim Gordon?

15 SteveC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:12:42pm

re: #14 BatGuano

You mean Jim Gordon?

Holy Rock and Roll, Batman!

16 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:12:44pm

very cool...looks like Skunk Baxter was not the lead guitarist this time, but the guy with the big 335 was really good...give it a 4.5

17 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:12:55pm

re: #14 BatGuano

You mean Jim Gordon?

I thought it might be, but it wasn't. Jim Gordon was one of the session drummers they used from time to time. They used quite a few. Jim Keltner was another.

18 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:13:11pm

"Your low rent friends are dead."

/dayyum Steely Dan

19 clgood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:13:23pm

Just imagine how tight musicians would have to be to play live with these guys. Awesome.

20 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:14:02pm
21 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:14:11pm

Always loved that fishing song
reelin in the years

22 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:14:17pm
23 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:14:24pm
You are still an outlaw in their eyes

I liked it.

24 GeicoGecko  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:14:56pm

One of the few good things about the '70's.

25 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:15:02pm

Jim Gordon is a gonner...murdered his mom and id doing hard time somewhere in a psych ward...very sad

26 gearhead  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:15:05pm

"Clean this mess up or we'll all end up in jail."

Wow, Charles! A Steely Dan thread. I knew it was gonna be a good day.

27 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:15:10pm

Hmmm ... maybe I will ask for a Father's Day present. Cool video, great song.

28 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:15:20pm

re: #23 Sharmuta

I liked it.

Get a-long Kid Sharmuta.

29 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:17:04pm

re: #24 GeicoGecko

One of the few good things about the '70's.

two words...
Little Feat

30 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:19:20pm

I met Jeff Baxter in a music store in NYC in the early '80s.

31 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:19:57pm

re: #20 buzzsawmonkey

Really good musicians are adept at Fagen it.

A house without music is a bleak house.

32 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:20:55pm

re: #25 albusteve

Jim Gordon is a gonner...murdered his mom and id doing hard time somewhere in a psych ward...very sad

So, I heard. I saw him on August 4, 1975 in Portland, Oregon. He was playing drums for Eric Clapton on his tour.

33 gearhead  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:21:52pm

Has anyone else been experiencing slow page loads? Has traffic been especially heavy?

34 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:22:00pm

Great song....now back to the thread.

35 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:22:32pm

re: #33 gearhead

Not recently, gearhead.

36 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:22:50pm

This is one of my favorites, listen closely to the lyrics -- if I'm not mistaken this is a tribute to the legendary Owlsley.

37 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:22:51pm

re: #30 Tarkus289

I met Jeff Baxter in a music store in NYC in the early '80s.

You mean Missile Defense Analyst (for NASA) Jeff "Skunk" Baxter?

38 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:23:11pm

re: #32 BatGuano

So, I heard. I saw him on August 4, 1975 in Portland, Oregon. He was playing drums for Eric Clapton on his tour.

From wiki:'

"In the late 1970s, Gordon complained of hearing voices in his head, primarily those of his mother. Unfortunately, his physicians did not diagnose his condition as schizophrenia and instead treated him for alcohol abuse.

On June 3, 1983, he murdered his mother with a hammer. It was not until his trial in 1984 that he was properly diagnosed. Due to the fact that his attorney was unable to use the insanity defense, he was sentenced to sixteen years to life in prison with a possibility of parole. He has served his sentence at the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo, Atascadero State Hospital in Atascadero, and the State Medical Corrections Facility in Vacaville. He remains incarcerated. Currently, there is a petition on line to assist him in either being released from prison or placed in a facility where he is able to receive more sophisticated treatment."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

39 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:23:15pm

I'm relaying it. Great!

40 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:23:49pm

re: #28 Bloodnok

"Has someone been in this soup?"

41 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:24:13pm

re: #32 BatGuano

So, I heard. I saw him on August 4, 1975 in Portland, Oregon. He was playing drums for Eric Clapton on his tour.

in his bio Clapton was very generous with Gordon...said he was the best drummer out there....not my opinion

42 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:24:15pm

re: #37 Bloodnok

Could it be?

43 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:24:38pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

"Has someone been in this soup?"

"He used to use his hands"

44 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:24:59pm

re: #42 Tarkus289

Could it be?



The same

45 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:25:33pm

re: #38 Pvt Bin Jammin

Horrible story. I was a fan of his since Derek and the Dominoes. It is sad when I remember him on stage playing his heart out.

46 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:25:53pm

re: #43 Bloodnok

"He used to use his hands"

"Not a bit like Cagney."

47 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:26:26pm

re: #44 Bloodnok

Son of a gun, now that I read that I think I remember reading about that here a while ago, maybe you posted something about it.

48 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:26:48pm
49 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:26:56pm

re: #47 Tarkus289

Son of a gun, now that I read that I think I remember reading about that here a while ago, maybe you posted something about it.

Heh! Probably!

50 ryannon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:27:21pm

Believe it or not, 'Kid Charlemagne' is all about this guy:

[Link: laughingsquid.com...]

51 yochanan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:27:26pm

" The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. The 1st Amendment is abrogated -- henceforth."

who said this rev wright or the d.c. anti semite

52 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:28:16pm

re: #51 yochanan

" The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. The 1st Amendment is abrogated -- henceforth."

who said this rev wright or the d.c. anti semite

Ron Paul

53 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:28:28pm

"He used to cut the grass, he was a very nice boy"

54 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:28:37pm

re: #41 albusteve

I understand. I read Clapton's bio. My pick is Ginger Baker (not because he's associated with Clapton).

55 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:28:52pm

re: #45 BatGuano

Horrible story. I was a fan of his since Derek and the Dominoes. It is sad when I remember him on stage playing his heart out.

I always liked him too. Damn schizophrenia, what a terrible illness. His poor mother.

56 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:29:03pm

re: #44 Bloodnok


The same

check out Brian May....PHD
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

57 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:29:20pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

"Not a bit like Cagney."

No thanks, I'm rhythm guitar and mouth organ.

58 brookly red  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:29:34pm

re: #50 ryannon

Believe it or not, 'Kid Charlemagne' is all about this guy:

[Link: laughingsquid.com...]


crossed a dimond with a pearl & turned it on the world...

59 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:30:26pm

OT: Here's a good one on the background of that Nazi James Von Brunn:

Holocaust Museum Shooter: Christian-Hating Socialist

60 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:31:09pm

re: #56 albusteve

check out Brian May....PHD
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Astrophysicist? I never knew that.

61 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:31:26pm

Lakers' big men gasol, odom, and bynum all with 2 personals in the first qtr ...

62 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:32:40pm

Owsley hates veggies btw, he eats nothing but proteins, here's a comment he left in a forum back in 2006, he's living in Queensland now:

[Link: forum.lowcarber.org...]

63 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:33:06pm

re: #51 yochanan

It was Brunn who said that. BTW, when referring to Germans who have a "Von" the von should only be used when saying their full name or if preceded by a rank or title. If only the surname is to be used, the von should be absent.

64 ryannon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:33:20pm

re: #58 brookly red

crossed a dimond with a pearl & turned it on the world...

Those were some days (and nights)....

65 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:34:06pm

Old Carlin...caution, rated R...language.

Lizard shit?

66 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:35:30pm

re: #54 BatGuano

I understand. I read Clapton's bio. My pick is Ginger Baker (not because he's associated with Clapton).

so many great ones...old and new...my pick would be Little Feat's Richie Hayward...hands down

67 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:35:39pm

re: #65 jorline

Hey you guys going to get any thunderstorms tonight?

68 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:35:45pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

It seems our man was a smorgasbord of insanity.

69 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:36:15pm

Lysergic acid diethylamide,
............... never heard of it.

70 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:37:27pm

re: #69 Tarkus289

Lysergic acid diethylamide,
............... never heard of it.

I can fill you in. :)

71 freetoken  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:38:47pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Yes, the No-True-Conservative could believe in Jewish-control-conspiracies article. Got play all over the 'net.

72 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:38:57pm
73 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:39:17pm

re: #67 NonNativeTexan

Hey you guys going to get any thunderstorms tonight?

hopes up....checking...checking...hell, Austin and north.
*sigh*

74 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:39:35pm

re: #66 albusteve

I'll look into that. Drummer's are under rated. No drummer, no band.

75 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:39:46pm

encore...
roadhouse music...Cowboy Mouth
big fun


76 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:40:30pm

re: #73 jorline

hopes up....checking...checking...hell, Austin and north.
*sigh*

Too bad, know you guys need it. We've had plenty.
4-6 today alone.

77 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:40:49pm

re: #67 NonNativeTexan

Hey you guys going to get any thunderstorms tonight?

Where are you?

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:40:56pm

I used to know how to do this, but forget the exact technique of it this morning when I needed it.

Lo and behold, I found a How To link on the interwebs in less than ten seconds to help refresh my memory:

How To: No Tangle Extension Cord Storage

Some days I love the interwebs.

79 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:41:19pm

re: #75 albusteve

I saw these guys open for Steve Morse in NY a couple of years ago,
very strange show.

80 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:41:26pm

re: #77 jorline

Suburb of Dallas.

81 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:41:51pm

re: #74 BatGuano

I'll look into that. Drummer's are under rated. No drummer, no band.

Drummers fascinate me. I love watching them. I knew a drummer for awhile- he was in 3 bands, and I'd try to hit as many of his shows as I could, because he was really good.

82 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:42:11pm

re: #76 NonNativeTexan

Too bad, know you guys need it. We've had plenty.
4-6 today alone.

Does water still run down hill? I know shit does...just checking.

We're very dry.

83 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:42:38pm

re: #71 freetoken

Yes, the No-True-Conservative could believe in Jewish-control-conspiracies article. Got play all over the 'net.

No true conservative would believe that. Brunn not only hated Jews, like Hitler he hated Christianity as well. The man was a fascist, and fascists are not conservatives. Thus it is a fact to say that no true conservative would think like James von Brunn.

84 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:42:48pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

Me! I'm one of those, and they told me I was good.

85 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:43:20pm

re: #82 jorline

I'll keep my fingers crossed...Hard t type thoiugh

86 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:43:23pm

re: #80 NonNativeTexan

Suburb of Dallas.

OK...please send it south. I lived in Allen and Plano during the mid 80's.

87 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:44:33pm

re: #75 albusteve

I had to make sure to applaud enthusiastically, so as not to be berated by the drummer, he saw some guy not clapping and he stopped the show and yelled at him.

88 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:44:45pm

re: #86 jorline

OK...please send it south. I lived in Allen and Plano during the mid 80's.

You should have bought a few acres back then, you'd
be set...

89 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:46:08pm

re: #81 Sharmuta

If you haven't already, check out Gene krupa in Sing, Sing, Sing. It's on youtube. I watch it frequently.

90 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:47:04pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

The talking point won't work but that's not going to stop people from embarrassing themselves trying. He wasn't a conservative but he was far right wing extremist. For example : The libertarian extremists and Paulians hate neoconservatives and Israel but they are still right wing. Same goes for the Paleoconservatives and fascists.

91 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:48:22pm

re: #74 BatGuano

I'll look into that. Drummer's are under rated. No drummer, no band.

Little Feat is the finest live rock and roll band ever....no small thing...I have seen them probably a hundred time or more...I have spoken

92 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:48:33pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

He was a Jew-hating low life, that's all we need to know.

93 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:48:41pm

re: #88 NonNativeTexan

You should have bought a few acres back then, you'd
be set...

lol...back then Allen was in the country...a blip off 75 and McKinney was a Sunday drive.

94 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:29pm

re: #93 jorline

lol...back then Allen was in the country...a blip off 75 and McKinney was a Sunday drive.

If you or I had bought it, it would still be East BFE.

;)

95 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:42pm

I changed my nic link back to The Pretenders.

96 aRedPhishHead  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:49:57pm

Ahh yes. Can't ever go wrong with the Dan.

More stuff from Aja next time! Or even Gaucho!

97 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:50:01pm

re: #89 BatGuano

A friend of mine was performing in some kind of show, he was 6 years old,
Gene Krupa saw him and spoke to his mother and said I want to mentor him, so he did, and he studied with him until he passed away, needless to say, my friend is a spectacular drummer. World Class.

98 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:50:27pm

re: #95 Sharmuta

I changed my nic link back to The Pretenders.

Do you own a big chunk of the bloody third world?

/

99 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:50:53pm

re: #87 Tarkus289

I had to make sure to applaud enthusiastically, so as not to be berated by the drummer, he saw some guy not clapping and he stopped the show and yelled at him.

road house, like I said...
another young bunch I like alot...from Burlington VT

100 Wendya  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:51:51pm

re: #29 albusteve

two words...
Little Feat

Jethro Tull

101 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:52:07pm

re: #95 Sharmuta

I changed my nic link back to The Pretenders.

Boy what a crush I had on Crissie

102 aRedPhishHead  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:53:08pm
Little Feat is the finest live rock and roll band ever....no small thing...I have seen them probably a hundred time or more...I have spoken

Well, nothing tops Phish 1993-1997, IMHO, but Little Feat was unreal :-)

Lowell George was the finest vocalist rock ever had. Great, groovy, snarky, deep-fried stuff.

103 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:53:24pm

D&D update!

I posted here earlier that I've been refusing to buy 4th edition stuff, because Hasbro sucks. But I've recently found out about Pathfinder, which is the "new gaming system" which happens to be designed by D&D's designers (wink, nudge).

What looks daunting is the sheer volume of material they are selling for this thing. Gulp. It looks like everyone who ever wrote for TSR / WotC has migrated over and churned out 96 page modules.

Anyway the game world they've set up looks Greyhawk-ish: lots of separate cities, nations, and wilderness; peopled by the usual elves and orcs. But the individual nations look interesting. It has some fun in-jokes: the region which is constantly falling apart and executing the last revolutionary regime is named "Galt". Someone's been playing Bioshock.

104 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:54:44pm

re: #101 NonNativeTexan

Boy what a crush I had on Crissie

There's something about guitarists.

105 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:55:01pm

re: #100 Wendya

Jethro Tull

two words, yes?....
you have never seen Feat live...when you do they will blow you away...Tull is long gone, history

106 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:55:12pm

Something to share-tomorrow our elementary school is having a Veteran's Appreciation Day,a few of us are going to go to several classrooms and talk to the kids. We do this each year, and I wouldn't miss it for anything.
More than a few, it turns out, have parents in the military. These kids all get told to go hug their Mom or Dad, 'cause heroes need hugs occasionally.

Works for me, anyway.

107 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:15pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

No true conservative would believe that. Brunn not only hated Jews, like Hitler he hated Christianity as well. The man was a fascist, and fascists are not conservatives. Thus it is a fact to say that no true conservative would think like James von Brunn.

I can't disagree with you on this at all, but I will refer you to KT's point @ 90 above in re: right wing extremists.

Brunn's no 'conservative' and people who try to claim that he was should be refuted, -- but he's also no 'liberal'. And fascism is not a 'liberal' phenomenon, pace Jonah Goldberg.

108 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:28pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I don't understand how he can be thought of as right-wing. He opposed everything the GOP stands for. He hates the Religious Right, hates capitalism, hates America, loves "racial purity". Brunn is not something conservatives need to apologize for. His views are not ours and never have been.

109 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:56:49pm

A little more Steely Dan...Hey Babylon.

Thanks Charles

110 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:57:28pm

re: #109 jorline

A little more Steely Dan...Hey Babylon.


[Video]Thanks Charles

nice...I like an encore myself

111 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:57:46pm

re: #106 irongrampa

Something to share-tomorrow our elementary school is having a Veteran's Appreciation Day,a few of us are going to go to several classrooms and talk to the kids. We do this each year, and I wouldn't miss it for anything.
More than a few, it turns out, have parents in the military. These kids all get told to go hug their Mom or Dad, 'cause heroes need hugs occasionally.

Works for me, anyway.

Thank you for that.

One thing our little school district does for Veteran's Day is have the kids in seventh grade make posters about a family member or friend to display outside along the drive. My kids, as they have chosen different subjects, have learned a lot about their relatives and family history and so have I.

112 gearhead  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:57:53pm

re: #96 aRedPhishHead

Ahh yes. Can't ever go wrong with the Dan.

More stuff from Aja next time! Or even Gaucho!

We're gonna break out the hats and hooters
When Josie comes home.

113 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:58:59pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

I don't understand how he can be thought of as right-wing. He opposed everything the GOP stands for. He hates the Religious Right, hates capitalism, hates America, loves "racial purity". Brunn is not something conservatives need to apologize for. His views are not ours and never have been.

Can you just imagine a world consisting only of Von Brunns? What a sad, hatefilled shithole it would be.

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:59:17pm

re: #107 iceweasel

I can't disagree with you on this at all, but I will refer you to KT's point @ 90 above in re: right wing extremists.

Brunn's no 'conservative' and people who try to claim that he was should be refuted, -- but he's also no 'liberal'. And fascism is not a 'liberal' phenomenon, pace Jonah Goldberg.

That's one of the reasons I don't like reducing everything to 'left' and 'right': It makes mainstream people get pinned with blame from nuts whom the did not know or encourage. Brunn was a totalitarian, and no one mainstream conservative or liberal has any share of blame for his insanities.

115 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:59:35pm

re: #109 jorline

Man, forgot how good brass and rock and roll go together..

116 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 6:59:39pm

re: #111 OldLineTexan

Thank you for that.

One thing our little school district does for Veteran's Day is have the kids in seventh grade make posters about a family member or friend to display outside along the drive. My kids, as they have chosen different subjects, have learned a lot about their relatives and family history and so have I.

Hey you old coot...how are you tonight OLT?

117 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:00pm

re: #113 A Kiwi Infidel

Can you just imagine a world consisting only of Von Brunns? What a sad, hatefilled shithole it would be.

Nazi Germany circa 1938

118 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:14pm

re: #29 albusteve

two words...
Little Feat

Two more....
Doobie Brothers

119 MacDuff  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:19pm

re: #106 irongrampa

Something to share-tomorrow our elementary school is having a Veteran's Appreciation Day,a few of us are going to go to several classrooms and talk to the kids. We do this each year, and I wouldn't miss it for anything.
More than a few, it turns out, have parents in the military. These kids all get told to go hug their Mom or Dad, 'cause heroes need hugs occasionally.

Works for me, anyway.

Beautiful idea. Little things like this are what keep our civilization alive for they become big things as these children grow older.

120 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:24pm

re: #116 jorline

Hey you old coot...how are you tonight OLT?

I am still after that wascally squirrel ... how's it goin'?

121 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:34pm

re: #103 Zimriel

It has some fun in-jokes: the region which is constantly falling apart and executing the last revolutionary regime is named "Galt". Someone's been playing Bioshock.

That's hilarious! -- But why is it a bioshock reference? (forgive the nongamer here) -- (I was reading it as a political reference.) (Ayn Rand/Going "galt"/ "galt gulch")

122 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:38pm

good day, all!

123 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:41pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Nazi Germany circa 1938


Well done!

124 ryannon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:42pm

re: #36 Thanos

This is one of my favorites, listen closely to the lyrics -- if I'm not mistaken this is a tribute to the legendary Owlsley.

"The name Owsley became a noun that appears in the Oxford dictionary as English street slang for good acid. It is the most famous brand name in LSD history. Probably the first private individual to manufacture the psychedelic, "Owsley" is a folk hero of the counterculture, celebrated in songs by the Grateful Dead and Steely Dan."

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

125 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:42pm

"Rock & Roll"? You mean that stuff that's all caterwaulin', and where ya cant's tell the boys from the girls? "Devil music", that's what *I* calls it.

126 jim in virginia  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:49pm

re: #82 jorline

Does water still run down hill? I know shit does...just checking.

We're very dry.

Can we send you some of our rain? We had 13 inches in Aprl, same in May, 4 so far in June.

127 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:00:59pm

re: #122 BatGuano

good day, all!


goodafternoon

128 brookly red  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:01:51pm

re: #113 A Kiwi Infidel

Can you just imagine a world consisting only of Von Brunns? What a sad, hatefilled shithole it would be.


Well I am sure we could get over it if they had oil...

129 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:02:20pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

That's one of the reasons I don't like reducing everything to 'left' and 'right': It makes mainstream people get pinned with blame from nuts whom the did not know or encourage. Brunn was a totalitarian, and no one mainstream conservative or liberal has any share of blame for his insanities.

You should consider reading A Conflict of Visions. "Left-Right" just doesn't work.

130 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:02:57pm

re: #113 A Kiwi Infidel

Can you just imagine a world consisting only of Von Brunns? What a sad, hatefilled shithole it would be.

I am student of WWII so I know all about the vision he has for the world. I hate that vision because I've seen where it leads: It leads to the murder of millions, all because they were Jews. I don't have a direct connection to the Holocaust and i'm not Jewish, but I've read the stories and seen the pictures and I could never forget where the designs of men like Brunn lead: The horror is burned into my memory.

131 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:03:36pm

I love Steely Dan. Brings back good memories. :)

Meanwhile, thought those of you who cared would want to know that my autistic son made Honor Roll again in his private school. 4th Quarter.

On the grading system at his school, 80% is considered a C+. They are tough.

132 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:03:37pm

re: #128 brookly red

Well I am sure we could get over it if they had oil...


Sad isnt it, that we pathetically kowtow with our money for a resource we so desperately need from those they have it yet hate us soooooooooo much.

133 gearhead  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:04:20pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

"Rock & Roll"? You mean that stuff that's all caterwaulin', and where ya cant's tell the boys from the girls? "Devil music", that's what *I* calls it.

Is that a Black Sabbath album you're hiding behind your back?

134 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:16pm

re: #133 gearhead

Is that a Black Sabbath album you're hiding behind your back?

"al-bum"? What is this "al-um" of which you speak? Is that some new upgrade to iTunes?!

135 brookly red  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:28pm

re: #132 A Kiwi Infidel

Sad isnt it, that we pathetically kowtow with our money for a resource we so desperately need from those they have it yet hate us soooooooooo much.

yes, but sad is not the word I was thinking of...

136 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:05:49pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

You should consider reading A Conflict of Visions. "Left-Right" just doesn't work.


I was pondering that statement and thought perhaps we need to expand the plain from lateral to third dimensional, include a North and South. I am sure von brunn would fit into a "deep south right" description.

137 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:03pm

re: #126 jim in virginia

Can we send you some of our rain? We had 13 inches in Aprl, same in May, 4 so far in June.

Dang. You can send some of that rain out here to So Calif. We've had over a week of cloudy damp days but hardly any rain. Had to put on the sprinklers a few minutes ago. Our lawn looks like heck.

138 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:21pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

You should consider reading A Conflict of Visions. "Left-Right" just doesn't work.

I'll look into that book. It might be worth a read.

139 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:41pm

re: #135 brookly red

yes, but sad is not the word I was thinking of...


I did include pathetic, does that help?

140 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:47pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

That's one of the reasons I don't like reducing everything to 'left' and 'right': It makes mainstream people get pinned with blame from nuts whom the did not know or encourage. Brunn was a totalitarian, and no one mainstream conservative or liberal has any share of blame for his insanities.

Yes, I understand and agree. That's one of my issues with talk of fascism -- it seems really clear that there's authoritarianism on both the left and the right. There are 'leftist' authoritarianist regimes, and there have been 'rightist' authoritarianist regimes.

On the other hand, I don't think reasonable people are trying to claim that Brunn was somehow indicative of conservatism or 'the right' as a whole-- but i do think that it's undeniable that Brunn falls into the category of right wing extremist.
This doesn't smear the right wing or conservatism, any more than identifying the animal rights activist who decides to murder a scientist as a 'left wing extremist' smears liberals or the left. In my opinion.

141 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:06:51pm

re: #136 A Kiwi Infidel

I was pondering that statement and thought perhaps we need to expand the plain from lateral to third dimensional, include a North and South. I am sure von brunn would fit into a "deep south right" description.

Oh Lord, now he's a Republican from Mississippi.

/

142 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:00pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

It is worth a read, otherwise I wouldn't be pimping it so much.

143 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:19pm

Jones On the Outs With Obama? Gates Defends National Security Adviser
Several White House and National Security Council sources told FOX News that the Obama administration is baffled by Jones, who is a longtime friend of Sen. John McCain, the man Obama defeated for the White House.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

But this is the interesting part:

"He admitted generational differences exist between the White House and the foreign policy makers, but added that he doesn't sense "antagonism" or "jealousy."

"Jim and (Secretary of State) Hillary (Clinton) and I have joked with each other that we're of a different generation than those in the White House," Gates said. "While they're texting, we're on the cell phone or even a land line."

So Hilliary Gates and Jones don't see eye to eye with Obama and the young Chicago mafia? And we know who will win that fight? That should worry people.

144 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:22pm

re: #134 Occasional Reader

True story. My sons found a old box of 8-tracks. They asked,
Dad are these Nintendo cartridges? Sad, my sons did not
know what 8 tracks were , I felt defeated as a father.

145 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:25pm

re: #136 A Kiwi Infidel

I was pondering that statement and thought perhaps we need to expand the plain from lateral to third dimensional, include a North and South. I am sure von brunn would fit into a "deep south right" description.

If "South" simply means "racist" then yes I could see that working.

146 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:07:49pm

Time for the old folk. Good night, good people.

Remember--heads high, we'll prevail.

147 gearhead  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:10pm

re: #134 Occasional Reader

"al-bum"? What is this "al-um" of which you speak? Is that some new upgrade to iTunes?!

Forgive me. Is that a Black Sabbath 8-track behind your back?

Better?

148 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:12pm

re: #141 OldLineTexan

Oh Lord, now he's a Republican from Mississippi.

/


Further south than that. On this earth it would be somewhere chilly, in the spiritual realm it would be quite the opposite...

149 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:23pm

re: #121 iceweasel

That's hilarious! -- But why is it a bioshock reference? (forgive the nongamer here) -- (I was reading it as a political reference.) (Ayn Rand/Going "galt"/ "galt gulch")

Oh... because BioShock is the game which satirised Galt-ness most effectively IMO. :^) Only there the leader's name was "Andy Ryan".

150 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:08:52pm

re: #136 A Kiwi Infidel

I was pondering that statement and thought perhaps we need to expand the plain from lateral to third dimensional, include a North and South. I am sure von brunn would fit into a "deep south right" description.

are you serious?...that's just finer than a froghair...good for debate maybe, if you're into that stuff but of little use in the real world....nobody lays claim to this old killer...he is what he is, it's not about verbal definition

151 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:03pm

re: #147 gearhead

Forgive me. Is that a Black Sabbath 8-track behind your back?

Better?

Heh :)

152 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:09:12pm

re: #148 A Kiwi Infidel

Further south than that. On this earth it would be somewhere chilly, in the spiritual realm it would be quite the opposite...

"Deep South" has a particular meaning in the US.

153 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:10:11pm

Heh™

With walnut grips.

It's mint, and it's now mine.

154 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:10:13pm

re: #150 albusteve

are you serious?...that's just finer than a froghair...good for debate maybe, if you're into that stuff but of little use in the real world....nobody lays claim to this old killer...he is what he is, it's not about verbal definition


Then we can stick him on Mercury. For however long he may have, he can spew his hate there, all on his own.

155 saberry0530  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:10:41pm

WOw, That're: #147 gearhead

Forgive me. Is that a Black Sabbath 8-track behind your back?

Better?

BEST!

156 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:10:52pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

You should consider reading A Conflict of Visions. "Left-Right" just doesn't work.

Sharmuta-- Is this related to the constrained/unconstrained idea I've seen you and others mention? I haven't read this and am not familiar with the terms, but I would fully endorse the idea that the political spectrum can't be adequately described in terms of binaries -- or even in a linear model.

157 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:16pm

I haven't scanned back through the thread, yet, but I'm wondering. Do girl lizards like Steely Dan? All my female friends hate them.

158 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:23pm

re: #152 OldLineTexan

"Deep South" has a particular meaning in the US.


Yes I am aware of the term but hadnt made the connection before posting. Hope no offence taken, my apologies if so.

159 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:29pm

re: #134 Occasional Reader

"al-bum"? What is this "al-um" of which you speak? Is that some new upgrade to iTunes?!

Trivia question: How did the term "record album" originate?

(First correct answer gets pie.)

160 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:30pm

The insurance adjuster and the roofing guy just left. Be careful what you ask for when you want rain, might come with wind! My house got pummeled last night. 2 trees down and 1/3 roofing shingles torn off with some chimney damage. UGH.

161 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:33pm

re: #144 NonNativeTexan

True story. My sons found a old box of 8-tracks. They asked,
Dad are these Nintendo cartridges? Sad, my sons did not
know what 8 tracks were , I felt defeated as a father.

I use to think that KA-CHUNK at the end of the songs was actually part of the music.

162 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:42pm

re: #115 NonNativeTexan

Man, forgot how good brass and rock and roll go together..

Don't forget Blood Sweat and Tears.

CTA...I'm A Man

163 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:11:54pm

re: #153 Noam Sayin'

Is that a 357?

164 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:12:16pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Nazi Germany circa 1938

Ditto England...with Oswald Mosley and his fascist ilk.

Europeans have a lot of growing up to do. They keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.

And one would think that the Europeans would have a clue-bat by now.

165 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:12:42pm

re: #163 NonNativeTexan

Is that a 357?

Yes it is, sir.

166 brookly red  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:12:52pm

re: #139 A Kiwi Infidel

I did include pathetic, does that help?

well I was thinking from a more angry place... but yes that helps.

167 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:12:54pm

re: #162 jorline

Don't forget Blood Sweat and Tears.


[Video]

ha!...you beat me to 'I'm a Man'....classic dood...Terry Kath was a beast

168 saberry0530  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:12:55pm

re: #164 rightymouse

Ditto England...with Oswald Mosley and his fascist ilk.

Europeans have a lot of growing up to do. They keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.

And one would think that the Europeans would have a clue-bat by now.


Need to send them a clue X 4

169 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:29pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

I am student of WWII so I know all about the vision he has for the world. I hate that vision because I've seen where it leads: It leads to the murder of millions, all because they were Jews.

If not for that, then at least because it leads to the murder of lots of Germans. Millions were ground up in Hitler's pointless war machine, millions more kicked out of their homes, and a third the country enslaved; all to feed Hitler's little Wagnerian fantasy.

He'd have done better buying that bunker in 1920 and just playing D&D in it.

170 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:35pm

re: #157 Noam Sayin'

I haven't scanned back through the thread, yet, but I'm wondering. Do girl lizards like Steely Dan? All my female friends hate them.

I like Steely Dan.

How are you doing, Noam? Good to see you.

171 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:49pm

re: #165 Noam Sayin'

Yes it is, sir.

Having a hard time getting cheap ammo for mine.

172 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:51pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

"Rock & Roll"? You mean that stuff that's all caterwaulin', and where ya cant's tell the boys from the girls? "Devil music", that's what *I* calls it.

They don't give a damn
about any trumpet playing band
It ain't what they call rock and roll
But the Sultans
Yeah the Sultans they play creole

173 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:55pm

re: #166 brookly red

well I was thinking from a more angry place... but yes that helps.


Dont be angry, it will just give you heart disease and a stomach ulcer.

174 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:13:59pm

re: #152 OldLineTexan

"Deep South" has a particular meaning in the US.

I know a girl from Ushuaia.

Now THAT'S "deep south".

175 gearhead  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:01pm

re: #151 NonNativeTexan

Heh :)

The first music I can remember begging my parents for was an 8-track of Fleetwood Mac's Rumors.

176 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:24pm

re: #158 A Kiwi Infidel

Yes I am aware of the term but hadnt made the connection before posting. Hope no offence taken, my apologies if so.

No, heavens no. Just a problem with the proposed system.

177 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:33pm

re: #156 iceweasel

Sharmuta-- Is this related to the constrained/unconstrained idea I've seen you and others mention? I haven't read this and am not familiar with the terms, but I would fully endorse the idea that the political spectrum can't be adequately described in terms of binaries -- or even in a linear model.

It is about the constrained and unconstrained visions I and others mention at times. There are grades of each vision, and hybrids of them as well, such as fascism and communism. But there are those of the constrained vision on both the left and the right, and unconstrained can be found on the left and right as well. But I now no longer see "left" and "right". I see the constrained vision and non-constrained visions- fascists, commies and socialists (for lack of better terms).

178 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:54pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

I'll look into that book. It might be worth a read.

I have started it. It is the kind of book where you need to re-read the parts you've just read to get the full flavor of it. It is difficult at first because you keep trying to ascribe the concepts to the left and the right like you are used to. I haven't broken that habit while reading it yet, but I trust I soon will.

179 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:14:58pm

re: #170 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm good, Bin. Good to see you, too. Chatted with Sage a couple weeks back. Says he might pop in some time to say hello.

180 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:15:37pm

re: #163 NonNativeTexan

Is that a 357?

No, he's happy to see you.

181 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:15:41pm

re: #174 Occasional Reader

I know a girl from Ushuaia.

Now THAT'S "deep south".

Once again, just give us the short list ... countries whose females you have not dated.

/

182 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:15:47pm

re: #136 A Kiwi Infidel

I was pondering that statement and thought perhaps we need to expand the plain from lateral to third dimensional, include a North and South. I am sure von brunn would fit into a "deep south right" description.

It's not historically nor intellectually a good thing to pigeon-hole a person ideologically when they are clearly off the deep end mentally.

183 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:16:26pm

re: #172 Dar ul Harb

Embedding disabled by request, huh?

184 brookly red  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:16:38pm

re: #173 A Kiwi Infidel

Dont be angry, it will just give you heart disease and a stomach ulcer.


Nawww, hate does that, anger is much more positive :)

185 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:17:23pm

re: #179 Noam Sayin'

I'm good, Bin. Good to see you, too. Chatted with Sage a couple weeks back. Says he might pop in some time to say hello.

Cool! I will probably see him tomorrow night. Hope he stops in here too. He posted real late one night a couple of weeks ago but he said he didn't really know the lizards who were online at the time.

186 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:17:41pm

re: #182 rightymouse

It's not historically nor intellectually a good thing to pigeon-hole a person ideologically when they are clearly off the deep end mentally.

agreed....intellectual artistry that resolves nothing, a waste of time, cutting into the boogie woogie

187 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:19:10pm

re: #171 NonNativeTexan

Having a hard time getting cheap ammo for mine.

If it's even available. Almost nothing around the Twin Cities for target rounds, and the protection stuff is through the roof.

But I've been wanting a .357 ever since I gave up my old S&W years back. They're a little out of my price range, so I decided to go with a Ruger GP100. But I couldn't find one in stainless. Then I'm at the gun store to see if maybe they'd gotten one in, and the sales guy says, "All we have is a used S&W." Ten bucks cheaper than what I would have paid for the Ruger, and it's stainless. So I'm back to my original desire.

Stainless guns make Noam a happy boy.

188 MacDuff  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:19:12pm

re: #131 rightymouse

I love Steely Dan. Brings back good memories. :)

Meanwhile, thought those of you who cared would want to know that my autistic son made Honor Roll again in his private school. 4th Quarter.

On the grading system at his school, 80% is considered a C+. They are tough.

That's wonderful! You must be very proud of him as are all of us. Kudos!

189 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:20:02pm

re: #172 Dar ul Harb

They don't give a damn
about any trumpet playing band
It ain't what they call rock and roll
But the Sultans
Yeah the Sultans they play creole

Sharif don't like it,
Rock the Casbah

190 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:20:12pm

Since everyone, from the MSM to bloggers, seems to think we need to associate VonBrunn with a political identity, perhaps we should see if he is registered to vote and what affiliation heclaims. I don't know how to do this. Can someone here guide me?

191 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:20:26pm

Good evening.

the market had a sell off at the last minute today, but still ended up in positive territory.
Dow Closes Higher on Day but Still Down for Year

Wall Street’s jitters about waning demand for government debt eased a bit on Thursday.

An auction for $11 billion in 30-year Treasury bonds went better than many analysts had expected, drawing strong response from buyers attracted by recent increases in interest rates. That sent stocks sharply higher, and the Dow Jones industrial average crossed briefly into positive territory for the year before retreating near the close of trading.

The Dow gained 31.90 points, or 0.37 percent, to end at 8,770.92, less than six points from its high for the year. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, which is up about 5 percent since Jan. 1, rose 5.74 points, or 0.61 percent, to 944.89. The Nasdaq was up 9.29 points, or 0.5 percent, at 1,862.37.


I'm looking for a bit of a sell off as professional investors will be trying to lock in some (meager) profits.

192 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:20:29pm

re: #168 saberry0530

Need to send them a clue X 4

They don't get 'it' likely because other countries (i.e. the U.S.) have bailed their butts out of destruction.

They have a welfare mentality?

193 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:21:19pm

re: #169 Zimriel

If not for that, then at least because it leads to the murder of lots of Germans. Millions were ground up in Hitler's pointless war machine, millions more kicked out of their homes, and a third the country enslaved; all to feed Hitler's little Wagnerian fantasy.

He'd have done better buying that bunker in 1920 and just playing D&D in it.

Agreed.

194 alegrias  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:21:49pm

Thank you for this video clip Charles! I'd never seen Steely Dan in person, and also had the song's title wrong in my mind, back in the day, despite owning the Long Play record! Sweet Charlemagne.

195 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:22:14pm
196 jorline  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:22:19pm

re: #126 jim in virginia

Can we send you some of our rain? We had 13 inches in Aprl, same in May, 4 so far in June.

Pleassssssssseeeeeeeeeeee

197 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:22:23pm

Hi 3 wood! Just the guy I wanted to see. Question: If T bill rates go to 5% will it be time to get serious about economic collapse?

198 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:23:05pm

re: #186 albusteve

agreed....intellectual artistry that resolves nothing, a waste of time, cutting into the boogie woogie


I've said it here before about people who are mentally ill. Trying to pigeon-hole them politically is silly.

199 jamgarr  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:24:36pm

Saw Buddy Rich once - what an asshole!

200 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:24:41pm

re: #181 OldLineTexan

Once again, just give us the short list ... countries whose females you have not dated.

/

There was a girl from Ushuaia
whose virtue, a guy thought to try-ah
She said to O.R.,
"get out of my car,
before you, I'd quite rather die-ah!"

201 NonNativeTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:24:44pm

re: #187 Noam Sayin'

Sweet. Use and abuse stainless, keeps right on shootin..

202 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:24:44pm

re: #195 Iron Fist

Shhh, no one wants to hear that.

/It's paranoia
/

203 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:01pm

re: #188 MacDuff

That's wonderful! You must be very proud of him as are all of us. Kudos!

Thanky!
The best part is that he is proud of his own accomplishments. :)

204 albusteve  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:40pm

re: #198 rightymouse

I've said it here before about people who are mentally ill. Trying to pigeon-hole them politically is silly.

people like the sound of their analytical words...that's cool, but it's a waste of time and maybe even does no good in the long run....
Who are You?....explain yourself!

205 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:25:49pm

re: #191 3 wood

Doesn't that profit thingy have to go through the csar first. Wouldn't that be considered pay?

206 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:26:11pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

I will definitely have to read it. I don't yet know anything about this, but it's been clear to me for a long time that 'left' and 'right' don't work as categories or descriptions. I look forward to talking with you about it!

Have other lizards seen or taken this test?

[Link: www.politicalcompass.org...]

From their intro about it:

On the standard left-right scale, how do you distinguish leftists like Stalin and Gandhi? It's not sufficient to say that Stalin was simply more left than Gandhi. There are fundamental political differences between them that the old categories on their own can't explain. Similarly, we generally describe social reactionaries as 'right-wingers', yet that leaves left-wing reactionaries like Robert Mugabe and Pol Pot off the hook.
That's about as much as we should tell you for now. After you've responded to the following propositions during the next 3-5 minutes, all will be explained. In each instance, you're asked to choose the response that best describes your feeling: Strongly Disagree, Disagree, Agree or Strongly Agree. At the end of the test, you'll be given the compass, with your own special position on it.

There is also an explanation of the political compass and the lines they've chosen to plot responses on, but it's not recommended that one read that til after taking the test.
It's here: [Link: www.politicalcompass.org...]

Anyway, I think people who are interested in the Two Visions stuff might find this interesting.

207 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:28:40pm

re: #204 albusteve

people like the sound of their analytical words...that's cool, but it's a waste of time and maybe even does no good in the long run....
Who are You?....explain yourself!


Explain what?

208 mich-again  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:31:53pm

Is there gas in the car?
Yes theres gas in the caaarrr.

Great song and one of the great bands ever, whichever lineup you pick.

209 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:31:59pm

Obama now has 21 Czars who are accountable to no one but him. I don;t know about anybody else, but that worries me.

This evening in the Kudlow Report they were discussing how quite a few of these folks have given large contributions to Obama, and that this is the Chicago Pay to Play scheme gone federal.

Just something to keep your eye on.

210 Roentgen  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:32:59pm

Steely Dan is touring and will be here next week. We got some tickets. I think the fact that they're touring means that they left their money in the stock market too long, as did I.

211 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:34:52pm

re: #197 Capitalistincharge

Hi 3 wood! Just the guy I wanted to see. Question: If T bill rates go to 5% will it be time to get serious about economic collapse?

I don't think the economy will "collapse" per se, but you will have very high inflation and everything that goes with that.

Which would be acceptable if unemployment was low, but I don't think employment will appreciably improve any time soon. The destruction of jobs is slowing down a bit is the best you can say now.

The 10 year treasury closed at about 3.86% or so today.

212 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:35:08pm

Time to go couchular.

Later!

213 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:35:11pm
214 mich-again  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:36:09pm

re: #210 Roentgen

Steely Dan is touring and will be here next week. We got some tickets.

Lucky! (Bet they open up with Green Earrings.)

215 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:36:09pm

re: #205 1SG(ret)

Doesn't that profit thingy have to go through the csar first. Wouldn't that be considered pay?

It's OK when Obama pockets the dough.

216 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:38:04pm
217 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:41:10pm

By the way, last night O'Reilly went off on his conspiracy stuff again about rising gas prices.

Uh, Bill?

When the dollar depreciates in value, the cost of goods as denominated in dollars goes up, mmkay? And the dollar has been depreciating cause of the Fed, treasury and White House actions of late

Stop trying to scare people. Both you and I know you are full of crap, but some there are gullible folks out there might actually believe you.

218 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:41:12pm
219 mich-again  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:42:02pm

re: #211 3 wood

Its like trying to start an old car. You try first by spraying some starter fluid in the carb, but then you end up flooding it, and then battery starts getting too low to crank. You might be able to push start it, but you're parked in a low spot. Frak!

220 Wendya  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:44:47pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

The talking point won't work but that's not going to stop people from embarrassing themselves trying. He wasn't a conservative but he was far right wing extremist. For example : The libertarian extremists and Paulians hate neoconservatives and Israel but they are still right wing. Same goes for the Paleoconservatives and fascists.

If you look at the typical American left/right spectrum that we were all taught and apply logic, it fails miserably. Political censorship and a rejection of free market economics are not aspects of conservative principles. If you were to break it down the way politics actually work in this country, you'd have more government control and less freedom on one end, less government control and more freedom on the other. Fascism and Nazism would be poles apart from the conservative movement. Likewise, anarchism would not be found next to liberalism, but be on the far right side of the line.

221 mich-again  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:44:50pm

re: #217 3 wood

By the way, last night O'Reilly went off on his conspiracy stuff again about rising gas prices.

Stop trying to scare people. Both you and I know you are full of crap, but some there are gullible folks out there might actually believe you.

There are lots of fools who think some secret cabal is controlling the price of oil. Its a litmus test for ignorance of how the market works.

222 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:45:15pm

re: #195 Iron Fist


Fascism, by the way, is not Nazism. The two have been conflated in popular culture, and there are points of symmetry, but they aren't the same. Most of the most invidious parts of Nazi Ideology were not (explicitly at any rate) part of Italian Fascism. If Mussolini had been a bit brighter he could have done like Franco and sat the war out. A lot of history would have been different, then.

IF -- I couldn't agree more with you about Fascism not being identical with Nazism.
However, it's wrong to conflate Clinton with Mussolini--just as it is wrong to conflate Bush with Hitler.
Here is probably the essential fascist statement -- Mussolini's famous reply to those who wanted policy specifics from him: "The democrats of Il Mondo want to know our program? It is to break the bones of the democrats of Il Mondo. And the sooner the better."

This is more or less the epitome of an illiberal and undemocratic statement.

I've got my own issues with the Clinton admin and with Clinton as a person, and altho I'm lefty/progressive I have no interest in taking away anyone's guns. I'm all for people having them, even if I don't happen to own one. You mention this statement:

Clinton said that individual rights were all well and good, but when the "rights of the individual conflict with the necessities of the many, the needs of the many must carry the day".

I can't dismiss that outright as being indicative of some kind of fascism or statism, simply because this is what all forms of government are: some kind of social contract that individuals engage in, in which some individual rights are *always* given up in order to enter into that social contract. I'm making a kind of abstract point and not making it particularly well at the moment.

Anyway, without context I just can't see that one Clinton statement as being outrageous-- as opposed to expressing a small truism about the preconditions for any kind of government.

223 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:47:19pm

So how is the Obama stimulus plan working so far?

Initial jobless claims fall; ongoing claims set record


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- While first-time claims for state unemployment benefits have declined or been flat over the most recent four weeks of data, ongoing claims have continued to reach fresh weekly highs, the Labor Department reported Thursday.

The number of initial claims fell 24,000 to 601,000 in the week ended June 6. Economists polled by MarketWatch had expected an initial claims level of 620,000. See Economic Calendar. In the week ended May 30, continuing claims for benefits reached a new record high, rising 59,000 to 6.82 million from an upwardly revised level in the prior week.

The report is a "mixed bag," showing that the labor market isn't hiring, even though firing may have slowed, wrote Ian Pollick, economics strategist with TD Securities, in a research note.

"On balance, the decline in initial claims is supportive of the argument that job destruction is beginning to slow within the U.S. labor market," Pollick wrote. "On the flip side though, the gallop in continuing claims as well as the increase in the four-week moving average for the continuing claims component suggests that the duration of unemployment continues to hover at record lengths, as the pace of job creation has come to a virtual stand-still."

These are actual real numbers, not the made up fantasy that Obama has been giving to his worshipers in the White House press corps.

224 Unakite  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:49:19pm

Wish I'd seen this sooner, but all I can do is reiterate #1 Macker:

Steely Dan Kicks ASS!

Got to see them once many moons ago...

225 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:50:22pm

re: #221 mich-again

There are lots of fools who think some secret cabal is controlling the price of oil. Its a litmus test for ignorance of how the market works.

Spot on.

You know, last year when O'Reilly was spinning this fairy tale, there were more short sell positions on oil then long positions. One simple phone call would have told him that, it's not that hard to find out.

The fact that O'Reilly still persisted in spreading that crap tells me he intentionally misleads the public, at least where economics is concerned.

226 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:51:40pm

When I was in college I played in a blues/rock band that was heavily influenced by the Allman Brothers and Grateful Dead, with lots of other influences mixed in.

When we had local gigs we would post flyers all over campus that said something like, "Original music and covers of The Grateful Dead, Jimi Hendrix, Allman Brothers, Janis Joplin, Eric Clapton and The Technicolor Motorhomes!"

I never knew what The Technicolor Motorhomes meant until I got into Steely Dan and heard this song.

Later on, I used to cover "Pretzel Logic" in an acoustic blues duo.

227 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:52:55pm

Ok, 3 wood, another thing you can splain to me....If the dollar continues to deflate, and the fed doesn't raise interest rates...what happens then?
G-d, I wish I'd gone to Econ class sober!

228 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:57:29pm

Oh, this is rich:

CNN’s Sister Channel Gives a ‘View’ Host Her Own Show


Joy Behar, a longtime co-host of “The View,” is joining HLN to present a 9 p.m. talk show.

HLN, the opinionated sister channel of CNN, hopes to raise its prime-time ratings with the addition of Ms. Behar, who is well known for her comedic and sometimes controversial sensibility. The network, a unit of Turner Broadcasting, is expected to announce the hiring on Thursday.

Ms. Behar will work a TV double shift, as she will continue to co-host “The View” on ABC in the mornings. In a brief telephone interview, Ms. Behar said the new 9 p.m. show, tentatively titled “The Joy Behar Show,” will begin in the fall, most

likely in September. She called it a “topical and fun” talk show.


Let me guess....it will be a left wing attack show.


Here is the money quote:

“It’s not going to be dry, I hope, because I’m crazy,” she said.

Another loser.

229 mich-again  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:58:51pm

re: #225 3 wood

The fact that O'Reilly still persisted in spreading that crap tells me he intentionally misleads the public, at least where economics is concerned.

His "No-Spin Zone" slogan is akin to "I'm Telling the Truth" and there's something creepy about people who like to remind you how honest they are.

230 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 7:59:35pm

re: #228 3 wood

Oh, this is rich:

CNN’s Sister Channel Gives a ‘View’ Host Her Own Show

Another loser.

Glen Beck is also crazy, but I bet he gets triple her ratings. Left wing cable attack shows = FAIL.

231 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:00:26pm

re: #227 Capitalistincharge

Ok, 3 wood, another thing you can splain to me....If the dollar continues to deflate, and the fed doesn't raise interest rates...what happens then?
G-d, I wish I'd gone to Econ class sober!

Interest rates will go up anyway. The Fed is not raising rates now but they are going up. The Fed does not set rates per se, they just set the discount rate for borrowing money from them by member banks at the discount window.

We all have to bear in mind that there is now an absolutely mind numbing debt to finance, and the only way to attract that much capital, especially when you have a government that is turning into pirates that will take assets from bond holders and transfer it to their union buddies, is by a very high rate of interest.

232 3 wood  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:01:59pm

re: #227 Capitalistincharge

G-d, I wish I'd gone to Econ class sober!

It's OK, none of my students do either.

233 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:04:02pm

re: #227 Capitalistincharge

Ok, 3 wood, another thing you can splain to me....If the dollar continues to deflate, and the fed doesn't raise interest rates...what happens then?
G-d, I wish I'd gone to Econ class sober!

Dollar deflates and interest rates don't rise? Nobody buys T-bills. Nobody buys T-bills? Then the government has to pay for itself with taxes.

Good luck with that.

234 Unakite  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:05:10pm

re: #227 Capitalistincharge

Ok, 3 wood, another thing you can splain to me....If the dollar continues to deflate, and the fed doesn't raise interest rates...what happens then?
G-d, I wish I'd gone to Econ class sober!

G-d, I wish I'd gone to an Econ class sober!

235 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:06:37pm

re: #229 mich-again

His "No-Spin Zone" slogan is akin to "I'm Telling the Truth" and there's something creepy about people who like to remind you how honest they are.

Yeah, I can't help being reminded of someone who satirised it by creating an "All-Spin Zone". Maybe Colbert?

It is kind of the car alarm of discourse. If someone feels the need to reassure you that they're not lying, it's the equivalent of an alarm going off saying "Warning. Door may not be completely shut."

236 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:08:10pm

re: #232 3 wood
You are allowed to use this quote on your students if it will help....
"Thirty years from now, after you've built a business and a hefty retirement account, and a Marxist is in the White House, you are going to wish to hell you had your first drink of day thirty minutes after class..."
Capitalistincharge

237 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:08:39pm

re: #235 iceweasel

It is kind of the car alarm of discourse.

Well said.

238 Robert Schwartz  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:08:40pm

Charles: Have you ever played with Becker and Fagin?

239 Wendya  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:10:32pm

re: #223 3 wood

So how is the Obama stimulus plan working so far?

Initial jobless claims fall; ongoing claims set record

These are actual real numbers, not the made up fantasy that Obama has been giving to his worshipers in the White House press corps.

I can tell those clowns why the jobless rate will only increase. Taking money from the private sector hurts American business.

240 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:13:08pm

re: #239 Wendya

I can tell those clowns why the jobless rate will only increase. Taking money from the private sector hurts American business.

That's a feature, not a bug.

Businesses exist to provide taxes for government to spend.

Get with the program, whydon'tcha?

241 Wendya  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:17:16pm

re: #240 razorbacker

That's a feature, not a bug.

Businesses exist to provide taxes for government to spend.

Get with the program, whydon'tcha?

This business won't have any money for the government to take unless money flows in the private sector. I had an employee once who thought it was a good thing to "tax the rich". I asked him how long he thought he'd have a job if the "rich" stopped purchasing our services. The idiot still didn't get it.

242 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:20:14pm
243 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:20:16pm

re: #240 razorbacker

Businesses have to be a willing participant.

244 Wendya  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:22:05pm

re: #243 Capitalistincharge

Businesses have to be a willing participant.

Kind of like how citizens "voluntarily" pay taxes?

245 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:24:18pm
246 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:24:23pm

re: #244 Wendya

No, more like when Businesses get taxed to the point of not being able to keep the business going they find ways to not pay all of those taxes.

247 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:25:28pm

re: #243 Capitalistincharge

Businesses have to be a willing participant.

Really? How do you arrive at that idea?

Try and not pay your taxes.

You're not a Czar of anything.

You'll be fined, perhaps imprisoned.

If you don't want to be a participant you'd better deal strictly in cash; no checks, no credit cards, no debit cards. Don't open a bank account. Don't purchase anything costing over X amount of dollars. Don't live in a nice house.

I guess it can be done. I'd not like to try it.

248 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:27:03pm

re: #2 Gus 802

Is there gas in the car?

I think the people down the hall know who we are.

(This is SUCH a treat...I've seen them four times, and I'd go again in a HEARTBEAT. I have this DVD too - it's very cool!)

249 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:29:31pm

re: #245 Iron Fist

It's not about revenue, it is about spreading the wealth. I wish Obama would spread me some of his millions.

No. You mistake the intention. It is about consolidation of power. Think, man, any damn fool can get rich. But power...that's the thing. With power the rich come to you and beg you to take their money. All they ask is just a little bit of that power to come their way.

250 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:31:01pm

re: #157 Noam Sayin'

I haven't scanned back through the thread, yet, but I'm wondering. Do girl lizards like Steely Dan? All my female friends hate them.

I am a major Dan fan. Major, major, major...but I'm a musician, so I'm probably not like other females you know.

Current tour is called "Rent Party '09". Tour dates so far this year:

Jun 12 - Clearwater, FL - Ruth Eckerd Hall %P% on sale now
Jun 13 - Boca Raton, FL - Mizner Park Amp. %P% on sale now
Jun 15 - Orlando FL - Bob Carr %P% on sale now
Jun 16 - Ft. Myers, FL - Barbara B Mann %P% on sale now
Jun 18 - St. Augustine, FL - St. Augustine Amp.%P% on sale now
Jun 19 - Orange Beach, AL - The Wharf %P% on sale now
* Multi-night ticket special available
Jul 22 - Boston - Wang Theatre %P% Aja (Plus) %P% on sale now
Jul 24 - Boston - Wang Theatre %P% Gaucho (Plus) %P% on sale now
Jul 25 - Boston - Wang Theatre %P% Internet Request %P% on sale now

Jul 28 - New York - Beacon Theatre %P% Aja (Plus) %P% on sale now
Jul 29 - New York - Beacon Theatre %P% Gaucho (Plus) %P% on sale now
Jul 31 - New York - Beacon Theatre %P% The Royal Scam (Plus) %P% on sale now
Aug 01 - New York - Beacon Theatre %P% Internet Request %P% on sale now
new Aug 03 - New York - Beacon Theatre %P% Aja (Plus) %P% on sale now
new Aug 04 - New York - Beacon Theatre %P% Internet Request %P% on sale now

Aug 07 - Mashantucket, CT - Foxwoods Casino %P% on sale now
Aug 08 - Atlantic City, NJ - Borgata %P% on sale now

new Aug 10 - New York - Beacon Theatre %P% The Royal Scam (Plus) %P% on sale now
new Aug 11 - New York - Beacon Theatre %P% Internet Request %P% on sale now

Aug 14 - Memphis, TN - Mud Island %P% on sale TBA
Aug 15 - Atlanta, GA - Chastain %P%on sale now

Aug 21 - Los Angeles CA - Gibson Amp. %P% Aja (Plus) %P% Amex now %P% General Jun 13
Aug 22 - Los Angeles CA - Gibson Amp. %P% Gaucho (Plus) %P% Amex now %P% General Jun 13
Aug 24 - Los Angeles CA - Gibson Amp. %P% The Royal Scam (Plus) %P% Amex now %P% General Jun 13
Aug 25 - Los Angeles CA - Gibson Amp. %P% Internet Request %P% Amex now %P% General Jun 13

Aug 28 - Las Vegas NV - Palms/Pearl %P% on sale now

Aug 31 - Chicago IL - Chicago Theatre %P% Aja (Plus) %P% on sale now
Sep 01 - Chicago IL - Chicago Theatre %P% Gaucho (Plus) %P% on sale now
Sep 03 - Chicago IL - Chicago Theatre %P% The Royal Scam (Plus) %P%on sale now
Sep 04 - Chicago IL - Chicago Theatre %P% Internet Request %P% on sale now

Sep 05 - Detroit MI - Soundboard/MotorCity Casino %P% on sale now

251 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:51:16pm

re: #250 capitalist piglet

Nice. They end the tour here in the D. Have to check into that.

252 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 8:53:43pm

re: #250 capitalist piglet

I wish they did a Kamakiriad (plus) concert. I think out of them all its my favorite Fagan album. Technically not Steely Dan though. From start to end it has such a sweet groove.

253 I Need A Bigger Gun  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:06:17pm

Steely Dan will be performing at the Bob Carr Performing Arts Centre here in Orlando on Monday night...got my ticket in hand...ready to go. It'll be my third time seeing them live, and I could do it a lot more.

254 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 9:08:06pm

re: #242 Iron Fist

What's interesting to me here is that I don't take issue with what you're saying. That is, I'll take your word for it that Clinton tried to institute warrantless searches of Chicago housing projects for guns-- (I don't know, as this was just slightly before my time and before I was paying much attention to politics). Yet it doesn't surprise me one bit that such a measure would have been thrown out, and moreover, it should have been thrown out -- just as warrantless searches for anything ought (in my opinion) to be impossible. You say

They were unconstitutional on the face of them, it doesn't really matter if they were looking for guns or gumdrops

and that's my feeling also, whether it would be for guns in a housing project in Chicago or drugs in posh mansions in Beverly Hills, or sex toys in private homes in Texas. (TX or some town there did ban them for a while, right?)

I'd also agree with you that Waco was a colossal fuckup. I don't believe they intended for people to die, but there can be no doubt that it was a complete clusterfuck and debacle.

Nonetheless I'm going to dig in on the original point you made and reiterate that this doesn't make Clinton Mussolini, any more than Bush was Hitler.

255 sngnsgt  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:44:53pm

Dammit! One song and now I've almost listened to 30 minutes of Steely Dan. When I was younger and dumber, (not that I'm much more un-dumber) my Father made me go see Steely Dan. It took me a few years after to finally get Steely Dan. Now, I can't listen to enough of it.

256 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:52:51pm

re: #252 Mich-again

I wish they did a Kamakiriad (plus) concert. I think out of them all its my favorite Fagan album. Technically not Steely Dan though. From start to end it has such a sweet groove.

Do you have Morph The Cat? I love that album! (I like Kamakiriad, too.)

257 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 11, 2009 10:57:02pm

re: #255 sngnsgt

Dammit! One song and now I've almost listened to 30 minutes of Steely Dan. When I was younger and dumber, (not that I'm much more un-dumber) my Father made me go see Steely Dan. It took me a few years after to finally get Steely Dan. Now, I can't listen to enough of it.

Aja was popular when I was a teenager - that's what got me hooked. Talk about a timeless album...that thing never gets old.

258 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:55:33am
259 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:25am
260 Nadnerb  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:44:42am

Steely Dan. I like this song. Reminds me of a road trip...

I drove from Phoenix to Las Vegas on AZ HWY 93 in an elderly Jaguar XJ6 which belonged to my parents. It was once grandma's car, and I was entrusted to keep it well. I had the car because my Ford pickup was totaled on Scottsdale Rd. by an inattentive driver in s Chevy K5 Blazer. I listened to the radio for an hour or two as I drove northwest, then lost radio reception as I neared Wickenburg. Inside the center console were a few tapes, one of which was Steely Dan. I don't remember which album the tape was, but I remember 'Kid Charlemagne". Of course the AC was broken, so I had the windows and roof open, and I enjoyed the hell out of that drive.

261 mojo9  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:54:11pm

got all their albums (vinyl!). some on tape. "my old school" holds a special place in my heart. college years were not kind to me.

262 mojo9  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:59:13pm

re: #260 Nadnerb
"can't buy a thrill" i believe is the album. "don't take me alive" is a good one on that.

263 Arby Dwiar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:00:13pm

Late to the party as usual...hope someone can help me with my question!

Unbelievable musical excellence, transcending many of my formidable years...!

OK - I've read this entire thread - and I have a very dumb question to ask -

While I realize that Donald and Walter would often gather exceptional musicians to coalesce in the studio and record amazing musical masterpieces, why didn't Walter Becker play the guitar solo? Wasn't that he, in the video, next to the soloist?

Signed, Totally Confused,

A. D.

264 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:31:05pm

re: #263 Arby Dwiar

Late to the party as usual...hope someone can help me with my question!

Unbelievable musical excellence, transcending many of my formidable years...!

OK - I've read this entire thread - and I have a very dumb question to ask -

While I realize that Donald and Walter would often gather exceptional musicians to coalesce in the studio and record amazing musical masterpieces, why didn't Walter Becker play the guitar solo? Wasn't that he, in the video, next to the soloist?

Signed, Totally Confused,

A. D.

Walter Becker plays solos on lots of stuff, but I can't imagine being on stage with Jon Herrington and not having him play solos, too...you know?

265 Arby Dwiar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:40:45pm

re: #264 capitalist piglet

You've most certainly got a point there.

Thanks for your response in this old thread; may I bestow upon you a Mu Chord accolade, along with an upding!

All The Best!

(May I recommend Fagen's The Nightfly, available on iTunes...)

266 djranger  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 9:46:26am

Tom Barney on bass - Ricky Lawson on drums. One bad-ass rhythm section driving the band.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2016-01-01 10:29 am PST
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds Tweet

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Square Cash Shop at amazon
as an LGF Associate!
Recent PagesClick to refresh
The Menzingers - ‘High School Friend’ (Full Album Stream)Listen to the full album: bit.ly"High School Friend" by The Menzingers from the album 'Hello Exile' available nowOrder at themenzingers.ffm.to Official Site: themenzingers.comFacebook: facebook.comTwitter: @themenzingersInstagram: instagram.com #themenzingers #helloexile #epitaph
Thanos
5 hours, 31 minutes ago
Views: 79 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Korn - Can You Hear Me (Acoustic)Official acoustic version of “Can You Hear Me.” Stream it everywhere here: korn.lnk.to The Nothing 🔲 Available everywhere now: lnk.to Follow KornWebsite: kornofficial.comFacebook: facebook.comTwitter: @korn/Instagram: instagram.comApple Music: music.apple.comSpotify: bit.lyYouTube: bit.ly
Thanos
1 day ago
Views: 189 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Alec Benjamin - Match in the Rain [Official Music Video]Download/Stream 'These Two Windows': alecbenjamin.lnk.to Shop 'These Two Windows' merch: alecbenjamin.store Follow Alec Benjaminalecbenjamin.comfacebook.com@alecbenjamininstagram.comtiktok.com #AlecBenjamin #TheseTwoWindows #MatchInTheRain #OfficialVideo
Thanos
1 day ago
Views: 192 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 2 • Share to Facebook
Sammy Boller - Awakening From the Daydream 24-bit Studio Masters, Guitar Tabs, and Backing Tracks available at:candyrat.com Spotify / Apple Music / Tidal / Deezer / Amazon : orcd.co Visit Sammy Boller at:Website: sammyboller.comInstagram: instagram.comFacebook: facebook.comTwitter: @sammybollerYouTube: youtube.com Bass: Steve LehaneDrums: Dylan WalshVideo by: Eric QuirosAudio ...
Thanos
1 day, 13 hours ago
Views: 278 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 3 • Share to Facebook
Joyce Manor - ‘House Warning Party’ (Lyric Video) "House Warning Party" by @Joyce Manor from the album 'Songs From Northern Torrance,' available May 29thPre-order at joycemanor.ffm.to Filmed by Donovan Vim Crony / DEBUNK PUNK Season 2 / Episode 1 & at Zephyr Veg. Cafe (2) 6/19/09Edited by ...
Thanos
3 days, 2 hours ago
Views: 422 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Twenty One Pilots - Level of Concern (Official Video) twenty one pilots - Level of Concern (Official Video)official video for "Level of Concern" - available now on Fueled By Ramen. top.lnk.to Exclusive Crew Nation hoodie available now - smarturl.itA portion of proceeds from this song + the TØP ...
Thanos
3 days, 2 hours ago
Views: 397 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Lotteries: A Rant From a Poor PersonLotteries. A rant from a poor person (me). So I have a MegaMillions ticket. The odds of winning the jackpot are 1 in 302.6 million against. Right now, the jackpot is $336,000,000. There are endless think pieces in everything from ...
Anymouse 🌹🏡😷
3 days, 7 hours ago
Views: 350 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Clean Bandit - Rockabye Ft Anne-Marie #AtHome #WithMe So fun to play in our garden and link up with Anne-Marie via computer airways for International Nurses Day! Watch the full concert: YouTube Click here to subscribe: bit.ly Follow us:Website: cleanbandit.co.ukFacebook: facebook.com Twitter: twitter.com Instagram: instagram.comSoundcloud: SoundCloudSpotify: atlre.co.uk ...
Thanos
4 days, 19 hours ago
Views: 604 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 4 • Share to Facebook
The Unlikely Candidates - Novocaine “Novocaine” by The Unlikely Candidates available now! LISTEN HERE: red.lnk.to Catch us on tour! songkick.com Follow us here:instagram.comfacebook.com@tucband?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthortheunlikelycandidates.com Directed by Mattias Russo-LarssonProduced by Lewis Atallah #UnlikelyCandidates #Novocaine #ArtistOnTheRise #OfficialVideo #Pizza #MusicVideo #AlternativeRock #Rock #TUC #LeftSideBrain #VeronicaMars #Alternative #Unlikely #Candidates ...
Thanos
4 days, 20 hours ago
Views: 613 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Larkin Poe Keep Diggin’ (Official Video) 'Keep Diggin'' is the third song off Larkin Poe's 2020 album 'Self Made Man’, out June 12th. Pre-save the album on Spotify or pre-order on iTunes, Amazon, and the official store NOW & get the first 3 songs "Holy ...
Thanos
4 days, 20 hours ago
Views: 599 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook