Somalis Protest Against CAIR in Minneapolis

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Some Somali Muslims in Minneapolis are figuring out that CAIR is not on their side.

Relatives, friends and neighbors of a Minneapolis teen killed in Somalia pressed their argument Thursday that a Muslim civil rights group is hampering a federal investigation into the disappearances of dozens of Twin Cities Somali men.

At a protest outside the Brian Coyle Community Center in Minneapolis’ Cedar-Riverside neighborhood, Abdirizak Bihi, the uncle of Burhan Hassan, who relatives say was killed last week in Mogadishu by a terrorist group, accused the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Minnesota chapter of discouraging local Somalis from cooperating with the FBI.

“We don’t want anyone to come into our community and tell us to shut up,” Bihi said. “Law enforcement will not be able to do anything without information from the community.”

About 50 people attended the rally, waving signs and hollering, “CAIR out! Doublespeak out!”

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306 comments
1 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:21:10am

Wow! Good for them. We need more muslims to reject cair, and faster please.

2 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:21:28am

Maybe Freedom, Democracy, and Free Speech is catching? Gee I hope so.

3 Athens Runaway  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:21:41am

“Don’t cooperate with the authorities” doesn’t sound like it’d boost American-Islamic Relations at all..

4 saberry0530  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:21:58am

Pirates Unite!

5 iLikeCandy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:22:04am

This is very positive news; people ARE capable of penetrating to the truth.
But I’d like to know how these people voted in 2008. It looks like another ready-made demographic that the Republicans are maddeningly unable to reach.

6 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:22:07am

More please. CAIR is out to help CAIR (and their financial backers). It doesn’t have most Muslims in mind when they’re out protesting and going in front of the cameras.

7 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:22:53am

“Doublespeak Out!” I love that slogan! It shows that the people saying it understand what CAIR is really about and are taking action.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:23:59am

And here we see a community showing the hard common sense to realize that the people telling them not to cooperate with the police maybe don’t have their best interests at heart.

Go, go, go!

9 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:24:03am

re: #4 saberry0530

Pirates Unite!

I’ll bring my light saber.

10 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:24:17am

They don’t CAIR anymore.

11 MJ  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:24:17am

The only side CAIR is on is the side of the terrorists.

12 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:24:19am

Well, they’re certainly in for it now!
CAIR will be screaming … ur … uh … well … something …

/*salute* to those Somalis !

13 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:24:20am
Ifrah Hassan, a cousin of Burhan’s mother, balanced her 18-month-old son as she shouted slogans.

“I don’t want my son, when he’s 18 years old, out of nowhere going someplace else,” she said. “We need to find out who did this.”

Osman Ahmed, another relative of Hassan, said some in the family believe CAIR has aligned itself too closely with mosques where some believe the missing boys may have been influenced to leave.

“They are supporting the groups we suspect of recruiting our kids,” Ahmed said. “We refuse to be silent.”

Best news I’ve read all week.

14 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:24:39am
15 samsgran1948  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:24:46am

Hopefully, this trend will continue.

16 oronpam  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:25:08am

A sign of hope…..

17 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:25:23am

If all CAIR is doing is telling people to get an attorney before they’re questioned in this investigation, are they hampering the investigation?

18 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:25:24am
Relatives, friends and neighbors of a Minneapolis teen killed in Somalia pressed their argument Thursday that a Muslim civil rights group is hampering a federal investigation into the disappearances of dozens of Twin Cities Somali men.

Curse that damn assimilation thing. Dont they know not to trust the infidels?

/CAIR leadership

19 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:25:34am

re: #10 CyanSnowHawk

They don’t CAIR anymore.

Hey CAIR-ie Ann, what’s your game now, can anybody play?

20 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:25:48am

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

It seems that some of the Somali community in Minneapolis are interested in being Americans as well as Muslims. It is nice to know that the cabbies who refused to take people carrying liquor are not the whole story.

I’ll drink to that!

21 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:26:21am

Meanwhile, AQ is moving resources from Pakistan to Somalia and Yemen. Hospitable areas, plenty of training grounds and lots of money available through piracy transactions.

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

22 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:26:21am

This is very reassuring news to hear American Muslims are pushing back against the Islamist extremists like CAIR. Interestingly, this is not new, it’s been going on for a while now,

Al Qaeda Playbook In Action

Three years ago, the trial, and conviction, of Islamic terrorists in New York City, brought out the extent to which police had infiltrated Moslem communities in order to uncover terrorist plots. While most of this counter-terrorist activity within Moslem communities is kept secret, enough information has leaked out to make it clear that it’s no accident that the United States has not suffered another terrorist attack since September 11, 2001. This soon led to growing calls from Moslem groups to halt the practice of using such informants within their community. This opposition to intelligence collection is right out of the al Qaeda playbook. Al Qaeda websites contain advice, and discussion, of how to use indignation and protests against “invasion of privacy” and “disrespect for Islam” to get Western counter-terror organizations to stop using such informants.

But there is still an extensive informant network within Moslem communities all over the United States. The FBI was pleasantly surprised, right after September 11, 2001, by the number of calls they got from American Moslems, reporting suspicious events in their communities, or volunteering to keep an eye on things. It turned out that there was a substantial number of American Moslems, most of them recent immigrants (legal and illegal) that were pro al Qaeda. These attitudes had been causing distress among American Moslems since the 1990s. There had been violence back then, and even some murders, as the Islamic radicals tried to take control of Mosques, and other Moslem immigrant organizations.

23 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:26:37am

How do you like them apples Hoopy?

24 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:27:16am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

“Doublespeak Out!” I love that slogan! It shows that the people saying it understand what CAIR is really about and are taking action.

Doublespeak is a loose translation of “taqqiya”

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:27:31am

I didn’t check or anything, but I’m sure y’all have been wondering where I was all day. I’m sure you were all very worried. Do not be troubled. I am here.

Now about the Somalis? They’ll want CAIR back when we want to bring a bottle of Captain Morgans on a Taxi.

26 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:28:09am
Osman Ahmed, another relative of Hassan, said some in the family believe CAIR has aligned itself too closely with mosques where some believe the missing boys may have been influenced to leave.

“They are supporting the groups we suspect of recruiting our kids,” Ahmed said. “We refuse to be silent.”

They love their kids more than they fear the Islamists.

27 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:28:26am
is hampering a federal investigation into the disappearances of dozens of Twin Cities Somali men

Bizarre. Whether these men were victims of foul play, or are intending to engage in foul play, their disappearance certainly merits investigation. And yet, there’s CAIR, trying to gum up the works. I’m glad some Somali immigrants have cottoned on to their game.

28 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:28:39am

re: #17 MandyManners

If all CAIR is doing is telling people to get an attorney before they’re questioned in this investigation, are they hampering the investigation?

That may be the public statement from CAIR. I believe their private conversations with locals is more direct & sinister.

29 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:28:45am

re: #26 wrenchwench

They love their kids more than they fear the Islamists.

Maybe it will spread to the West Bank and Gaza? Not holding my breath.

30 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:29:03am

Now this is Hope and Change I can believe in.

31 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:29:08am

Well, this is good news!
Sanity may prevail, after all.

32 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:29:44am

re: #4 saberry0530

Dude…. timing….

33 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:32:39am

re: #28 Kenneth

That may be the public statement from CAIR. I believe their private conversations with locals is more direct & sinister.

That’s why I asked “if”. The reaction of the community is a huge clue that CAIR is doing more than what CAIR claims it’s doing.

34 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:32:46am

50 moderate Muslims in Minny….they need some kind of tea party thing to spread the mojo….good for these folks

35 Athens Runaway  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:33:59am

re: #34 albusteve

50 moderate Muslims in Minny….they need some kind of tea party thing to spread the mojo….good for these folks

Better ask KT if that’s okay. /jk

36 flyovercountry  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:34:32am

A good sign indeed! Stand up to thugs.

“Fight, Fight, Fight, I’m with ya!”
- Laslo Toth, American 1969

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:34:48am

re: #32 BigPapa

Why? Don’t get the dings there. Something happen today? I’ve been at work.

38 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:34:51am

Excellent!

/but remember moderate muslims can’t exist according to some who ally with fascists…..

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:35:31am

re: #17 MandyManners

If all CAIR is doing is telling people to get an attorney before they’re questioned in this investigation, are they hampering the investigation?

No, if that’s all they’re doing. But I doubt that alone would have produced this reaction.

40 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #35 Athens Runaway

Better ask KT if that’s okay. /jk

I had exactly the same thought, but stifled it.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:35:54am

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oops. Sorry, I get the dings.

42 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:35:58am

re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn’t check or anything, but I’m sure y’all have been wondering where I was all day. I’m sure you were all very worried. Do not be troubled. I am here.

Now about the Somalis? They’ll want CAIR back when we want to bring a bottle of Captain Morgans on a Taxi.

I hope they have realized how that has hurt them in the pocketbook.

43 gander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:36:28am

Wait a sec! I thought CAIR was a respected mainstream civil rights group.

44 Athens Runaway  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:36:28am

re: #40 Dianna

I’m sure he (and others) can take a joke. Hopefully.

45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:36:50am

re: #42 debutaunt

I’d walk. Well, probably not. Bags of liquor get heavy.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:37:29am

re: #26 wrenchwench

They love their kids more than they fear the Islamists.

That’s a good sign. I imagine, coming from the background they do, it takes some time to figure out who’s on first. Looks like they’re getting the picture now.

Sacrificing your kids to someone else’s war isn’t a choice people will make when they have real options.

47 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:38:20am

re: #40 Dianna

I had exactly the same thought, but stifled it.

Edith?

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:38:21am

re: #28 Kenneth

That may be the public statement from CAIR. I believe their private conversations with locals is more direct & sinister.

That’s my thought.

49 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:38:40am

re: #44 Athens Runaway

I’m sure he (and others) can take a joke. Hopefully.

KT can take a punch better than most…jus sayin

50 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:38:45am

re: #44 Athens Runaway

I’m sure he (and others) can take a joke. Hopefully.

Lately? I don’t know. People are a bit on-edge.

51 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:38:54am

THEY SEEEEEEEE YOUUUUUUUUUU!

[Link: vids.myspace.com…]

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:39:03am

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Maybe it will spread to the West Bank and Gaza? Not holding my breath.

Problem is, in Gaza you don’t have the FBI to back you up. And the Islamists are more heavily armed.

53 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:39:21am

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why? Don’t get the dings there. Something happen today? I’ve been at work.

‘Pirate’ joke 4th post down. As an admitted connoisseur of uncouth, that made me wince a little.

54 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:39:30am

re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’d walk. Well, probably not. Bags of liquor get heavy.

You and your hops and barley…

55 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:39:40am

re: #38 Thanos

Excellent!

/but remember moderate muslims can’t exist according to some who ally with fascists…..

And those people can go pound sand. These protesters want peace and freedom. They are our friends and should garner our full support. They should be keynote speakers at any St. Paul of Minneapolis tea party. Having a black movement playing a lead role at such a rally would make MSM heads explode.

56 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:39:42am

re: #49 albusteve

KT can take a punch better than most…jus sayin

Practice, practice, practice.

57 Jim D  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:39:47am

re: #38 Thanos

Excellent!

/but remember moderate muslims can’t exist according to some who ally with fascists…..

But that’s easy to explain. They just aren’t TRUE muslims.
/gosh that fallacy is handy

58 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:39:47am

re: #53 BigPapa

‘Pirate’ joke 4th post down. As an admitted connoisseur of uncouth, that made me wince a little.

As you said, “Dude, timing.”

59 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:40:50am

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

It seems that some of the Somali community in Minneapolis are interested in being Americans as well as Muslims. It is nice to know that the cabbies who refused to take people carrying liquor are not the whole story.

That fatwa was issued by the Muslim American Society of Minnesota. Another muslim brotherhood wing- same as cair.

60 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:40:54am

re: #51 MandyManners

THEY SEEEEEEEE YOUUUUUUUUUU!

[Link: vids.myspace.com…]

Around 1:45 it’s really heartbreaking.

61 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:40:54am

OT, but then again, it’s related:

Taliban continue mosque attacks, strike in Lahore and Nowshera
By Bill Roggio

Taliban suicide bombers targeted mosques in Lahore and Nowshera in the latest attacks against their enemies in places of worship. Eleven civilians, including a respected anti-Taliban cleric, were killed in the two suicide strikes.

The Lahore attack took place as worshipers were leaving the mosque at the end of Friday prayers. Dr. Sarfraz Naeemi, a popular, outspoken anti-Taliban cleric , was among five people killed and 10 wounded in the attack. One report indicated a suicide bomber entered Naeemi’s office and detonated his vest. Naeemi’s office and an outer wall of the mosque were leveled in the bombing.

Naeemi was a vocal opponent of the Taliban and supported the military operation to root them out of the Swat Valley. He labeled the Taliban as terrorists and issued fatwas, or religious edicts, against suicide attacks, saying these types of attacks are against Islam.

Taliban/AQ is now bombing mosques in Pakistan. That is not going to help them win the hearts & minds of the locals.

62 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:41:39am

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

Problem is, in Gaza you don’t have the FBI to back you up. And the Islamists are more heavily armed.

Agreed. The Islamist organizations here are only less violent because it has been made clear to them that violence and intimidation will earn them a RICO charge.

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:41:45am

re: #26 wrenchwench

They love their kids more than they fear the Islamists.

Maybe Muslims are starting to understand that their sons are not martyrs for Allah. They are martyrs for some guy named Osama (or the nut-job de jour). Maybe the connection is being made.

“Allah doesn’t hate America! That guy does!”

Be kind of nice if they finally tore the terrorist leaders limb from limb.

64 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:41:46am

re: #6 lawhawk

More please. CAIR is out to help CAIR (and their financial backers). It doesn’t have most Muslims in mind when they’re out protesting and going in front of the cameras.

CAIR is out to hide the stealth jihad until it will be much harder to stop.

65 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:42:03am

CAIR has been exposed as a Saudi front organization. The Saudis don’t act in the interests of all Muslims, or all Muslim-Americans. This incident is additional evidence of that.

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:42:36am

OT: The Paulified Republican party bring us one step closer to the gold standard….

US House to debate Ron Paul’s ‘Audit the Fed’ bill


While the bill enjoys some Democratic supporters, the vast majority of H.R. 1207 co-sponsors are Republican.

“The tremendous grass-roots and bipartisan support in Congress for HR 1207 is an indicator of how mainstream America is fed up with Fed secrecy,” said Congressman Paul in a Thursday media advisory. “I look forward to this issue receiving greater public exposure.”
…
“Detractors have […] argued that the Fed must remain immune from the political process, and that that more congressional oversight would distort their very important decisions,” Paul wrote in an editorial titled, ‘Audit the Fed, Then End It!’


Tea Party!

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:43:06am

re: #59 Sharmuta

That fatwa was issued by the Muslim American Society of Minnesota. Another muslim brotherhood wing- same as cair.

Also gives some insight into how they may have recruited people to refuse passengers with alcohol. A little talk—a little pressure—we all have to stand together—our culture is being disrespected—if you don’t cooperate, it may be hard to find a husband for your daughter, or get a neighborhood loan…

Yeah, I’m pretty suspicious.

68 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:43:11am

re: #61 Kenneth

brute force is their thing…and that is exactly why the Pakis must respond with as much brute force…it is the nature of the Taliban

69 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:43:13am

Just the song.


Youtube Video
70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:43:17am

re: #56 VegasRick

Practice, practice, practice.

*ouch, ouch, ouch*

71 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:44:00am

re: #61 Kenneth

OT, but then again, it’s related:

Taliban continue mosque attacks, strike in Lahore and Nowshera
By Bill Roggio

Taliban/AQ is now bombing mosques in Pakistan. That is not going to help them win the hearts & minds of the locals.

Heh…. but it worked so well for them in fallujah!

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:44:57am

re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe Muslims are starting to understand that their sons are not martyrs for Allah. They are martyrs for some guy named Osama (or the nut-job de jour). Maybe the connection is being made.

“Allah doesn’t hate America! That guy does!”

Be kind of nice if they finally tore the terrorist leaders limb from limb.

Remember, though, ‘Muslims’ is a big tent.

I wonder what kind of outreach work the Minneapolis PD has been doing in this community? A little hasbarah goes a long way.

73 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:46:04am

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Weren’t you one of the people who used to advocate the “don’t go OT until at least 100 comments in” rule?

74 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:47:08am

re: #73 Dianna

Weren’t you one of the people who used to advocate the “don’t go OT until at least 100 comments in” rule?

I thought it was 10?

75 alegrias  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:47:17am

“Hell no, we won’t go” sounds good in Somali.

76 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:47:38am

Hello Lizard Clan. Please forgive this early OT.

I’ve been taking a break from political craziness to work my way through a stack of unread books and was recovering nicely. This morning, however, I received an e-mail from a beloved uncle who, in his eighties, has now shown a side of himself I’d never seen.

The e-mail contained a grinning cartoon face with these words beneath regarding BHO: “Everyone just relax! When was the last time you heard of a black guy keeping a job for 4 years?”

I responded that I knew many, and that such blatant prejudice was a disappointment. I’ve not heard back from him.

In the past few weeks he has been sending more forwards from others with an increasingly strident and borderline paranoid ODS content. Most I can’t even get through, and I’ve recently started deleting without bothering to try.

This man had been closer and dearer than my own father, a retired USAF officer, someone to be both respected and admired.

My heart is breaking. Would appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Thanks {LGF}.

77 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:47:42am

I need coffee.

My little numbers are misbehaving themselves. Grrr.

78 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:47:52am

re: #61 Kenneth

This has actually been going on for three years, it started with just Shia/Hazara mosques, (Parachinar) but then went to the sunni mosques of outspoken opponents, notably starting with the bombing in Charsadda to get Sherpao.

79 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:48:29am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

{Scotti}

80 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:48:32am

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember, though, ‘Muslims’ is a big tent.

I wonder what kind of outreach work the Minneapolis PD has been doing in this community? A little hasbarah goes a long way.

In Houston during the ‘70’s, when the Vietnamese community was freshly setled (by the Feds) and still scared and clannish, crime soon got out of hand, including Vietnamese mob-style gangs and rackets.

The Houston Police Department, fresh from training itself NOT to throw intoxicated Hispanic veterans handcuffed into a bayou, responded by recruiting and training Vietnamese police officers. It was a 2-3 year process, IIRC, but they were able to take advantage of military backgrounds and US security clearances.

81 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:48:50am

I’ve got to go. I’m working at a different store today so i need to be in a little early. BBT

82 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:48:58am

re: #73 Dianna

It’s a slow moving thread so I don’t see a problem.

83 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:49:11am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

Can anyone get him a check-up?

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:49:22am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw


My heart is breaking. Would appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Thanks {LGF}.


Ah, I’m sorry. Big hug.

85 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:49:39am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

Hello Lizard Clan. Please forgive this early OT.

I’ve been taking a break from political craziness to work my way through a stack of unread books and was recovering nicely. This morning, however, I received an e-mail from a beloved uncle who, in his eighties, has now shown a side of himself I’d never seen.

The e-mail contained a grinning cartoon face with these words beneath regarding BHO: “Everyone just relax! When was the last time you heard of a black guy keeping a job for 4 years?”

I responded that I knew many, and that such blatant prejudice was a disappointment. I’ve not heard back from him.

In the past few weeks he has been sending more forwards from others with an increasingly strident and borderline paranoid ODS content. Most I can’t even get through, and I’ve recently started deleting without bothering to try.

This man had been closer and dearer than my own father, a retired USAF officer, someone to be both respected and admired.

My heart is breaking. Would appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Thanks {LGF}.

Have you considered telling him to stop sending you that shit?

86 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:49:49am

Obama & CAIR:

Ten days after the announcement of his appointment as the Obama campaign’s coordinator for Muslim affairs, Chicago lawyer Mazen Ashabi resigned, saying he didn’t want investigations into his past associations to become “distracting.”

Mazen Asbahi became the campaign’s coordinator of outreach to Muslims on July 26, but earlier this week a report by the Internet newsletter Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report was surfaced by the Wall Street Journal that linked Asbahi to Jamal Said, a man thought by the U.S. Department of Justice to be involved in racketeering and fundraising for the Palestinian terror organization Hamas.

A pair of Detroit Free Press articles this week also revealed Asbahi spent part of the day of his appointment at a fundraiser at the home of Dr. Jukaku Tayeb, president of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR.

87 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:50:23am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw
If you direct him to howobamagotelected.com, you may be able to redirect his anger from Obama to the people who elected him.

88 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:50:31am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And they had already shifted to the Tea Party topic anyways. I was just helping out.

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:50:49am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

{scottishbuzzsaw}
*prayers*

A lot of it’s going around. He didn’t invent it.
/meant as some sort of comfort, weak as it might be

90 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:50:52am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

So sorry to hear about your uncle. If you are in a position to help him get evaluated for cognitive function, I urge you to do so. This seems to represent a major shift in personality for him, and that can be a sign of dementia or early Alzheimer’s. You’re in my thoughts.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:51:37am

I just don’t know how Somalis can stand to live in Minneapolis. It must be like moving from hell to Antarctica.

92 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:52:00am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

Hello Lizard Clan. Please forgive this early OT.

I’ve been taking a break from political craziness to work my way through a stack of unread books and was recovering nicely. This morning, however, I received an e-mail from a beloved uncle who, in his eighties, has now shown a side of himself I’d never seen.

The e-mail contained a grinning cartoon face with these words beneath regarding BHO: “Everyone just relax! When was the last time you heard of a black guy keeping a job for 4 years?”

I responded that I knew many, and that such blatant prejudice was a disappointment. I’ve not heard back from him.

In the past few weeks he has been sending more forwards from others with an increasingly strident and borderline paranoid ODS content. Most I can’t even get through, and I’ve recently started deleting without bothering to try.

This man had been closer and dearer than my own father, a retired USAF officer, someone to be both respected and admired.

My heart is breaking. Would appreciate your thoughts and prayers. Thanks {LGF}.

Wow.
He sends you something racist and demeaning, and imo, your response was measured, careful and respectful. You did the right thing.

He understands where you stand, and best case, will perhaps rethink his own position.

Next move is his to make.

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:52:04am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

I’ve been getting a bit of that too, from people I respectED. I’ve texted/and emailed “not funny” too many times to count.

I just started deleting from common offenders. Perhaps if you see others he’s sending these broadcast emails to, you could invite them to also let him know that it is just wrong.

“Signed…
Dear Abby”
-John Prine

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:52:25am

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don’t know how Somalis can stand to live in Minneapolis. It must be like moving from hell to Antarctica.

Of course, some friends of mine used to live in Karelia, Finland, and they had Somali immigrants in their building. Similarly, that must be quite a change to make.

95 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:52:42am

re: #77 Dianna

I need coffee.

My little numbers are misbehaving themselves. Grrr.

Don’t spreadsheet in your spreadsheets.

96 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:52:49am

Obama staffer attends controversial Muslim meeting

Youtube Video
97 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:52:51am

re: #88 Killgore Trout

And they had already shifted to the Tea Party topic anyways. I was just helping out.

I’m innocent….’tea party’ is common jive nowdays

98 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:53:45am

re: #85 MandyManners

Have you considered telling him to stop sending you that shit?

That doesn’t always work. I have a very close friend who send me I guess you could call it porn. It’s usually humorous and not just porn for porns sake, and he sends it to my wife also. Actually she seems to like it better than me, but I digress. But since I use this laptop for my Navy Work, I asked him not to since if I open something, I am never sure where it goes, and I’d hate to have it show up at an inopportune time? E-mail is hard to turn off?

99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:53:59am

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don’t know how Somalis can stand to live in Minneapolis. It must be like moving from hell to Antarctica.

“Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means “Weather sucks big wampum!”
-Diane Ford

100 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:54:21am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

Sorry, {buzz}. Is it possible that this is a side you just never saw of him, or do you believe it is a new development? Like Doppelgang said upthread, it could be dementia. I know my mother said some things late in life that I never would have believed she would utter.

101 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:54:24am

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

102 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:54:24am

Sorry to hear about your uncle Scott, I have relatives like that from Chicago, also very elderly who are spamming this crap too. I set a mail rule to auto delete anything from my two aunts up there.

103 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:54:46am

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means “Weather sucks big wampum!”
-Diane Ford

Consequently, Wyoming is an old Indian word meaning, “There’s no state here.”

104 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:54:56am

A quick drive by post and a HUGE thumbs up those in the Minneapolis Somali community who have the courage to stand up to these thugs. Don’t back down!

105 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:55:04am

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means “Weather sucks big wampum!”
-Diane Ford

If you don’t like the weather in Minnesota, wait a minute. It will change.

106 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:55:08am

re: #96 Kenneth

Obama staffer attends controversial Muslim meeting


[Video]

Shocka-NOT!

107 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:55:14am

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don’t know how Somalis can stand to live in Minneapolis. It must be like moving from hell to Antarctica.

Compared to Mogadishu, Antarctica is paradise

108 alegrias  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:55:44am

OT

Jim Moran (D-VA)
Jack/John Murtha (D-PA)
Pete Wisclowski (sp?) Dem

Democrats on Appropriations Committee…..

Pay to Play allegations to get reviewed in House Investigation of Democrats….uh oh!

109 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:55:53am

re: #106 Nevergiveup

Shocka-NOT!

Obama’s staff SHOULD attend controversial Muslim meetings.

I suggest staffers from the FBI, Treasury, and DHS.

110 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:56:22am

re: #107 Thanos

Compared to Mogadishu, Antarctica is paradise

All the penguins you can eat …

111 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:56:59am

Obama Campaign Holds Illegal “Get Out the Muslim Vote” Drive At Swing State Mosques

…and CAIR was helping to promote these events!

112 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:57:05am

CAIR blows off the Somalis family and sweeps the incident under the Persian rug.

Good morning/afternoon all

113 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:57:06am

Convict stages son’s bar mitzvah in NYC jail
Jun. 11, 2009 02:57 PM
Associated Press

NEW YORK - The young boy read from the Torah during his bar mitzvah, his guests enjoyed a catered kosher spread and the proud father returned to his cell.

The party for the son of a convicted scam artist was held at a New York City jail, and city taxpayers paid overtime for some of the jail staff to help out.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg was fuming Thursday after learning of the bar mitzvah held at the lower Manhattan lockdown known as The Tombs.

A Correction Department spokesman confirmed that five staff members were disciplined over the December bash, which was reported in the New York Post on Thursday.

Bloomberg said the bar mitzvah should not have happened.

114 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:57:06am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

What bs. “Adopt american attire”.. You the clothes gestapo? Adopt American surnames? Piss on that.

It’s american to be free to dress as you please, to call yourself what you will. I find your notions Anti-American.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:57:13am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

What the hell is an “American surname”?

And if your point is that it’s not possible for Muslims to become Americans, I simply disagree.

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:57:15am

re: #105 Sharmuta

If you don’t like the weather in Minnesota, wait a minute. It will change.

I’m mad at Minnesota anyway.

“My ancestors came from Norway, from Sweeden. They crossed rivers, mountains, lakes, prairies…looking for that one place…
That was just as fucking cold and miserable as the one they left!”
-Diane Ford (again)

117 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:57:43am

re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans

Eh. The bris was worse.

/

118 Buster  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:58:00am

re: #58 Dianna

As you said, “Dude, timing.”

I can’t help but think that CAIR benefits from, and supports, piracy off the Somali coast.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:58:09am

re: #107 Thanos

Compared to Mogadishu, Antarctica is paradise

Suppose so—I still think they must be cold.

120 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:58:19am

re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans

Convict stages son’s bar mitzvah in NYC jail
Jun. 11, 2009 02:57 PM
Associated Press

I saw that. And I wasn’t invited? I’m always up for a free meal?

121 Gang of One  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:58:27am

re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans

Convict stages son’s bar mitzvah in NYC jail
Jun. 11, 2009 02:57 PM
Associated Press

A behind bars mitzvah.
/ducks, runs …

122 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:58:56am

re: #110 OldLineTexan

All the penguins you can eat …

They kept Shackleton alive…

123 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:59:10am

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Suppose so—I still think they must be cold.

The coldest winter I ever spent……… I guess ya know that one ha?

124 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:59:11am

re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans

Convict stages son’s bar mitzvah in NYC jail
Jun. 11, 2009 02:57 PM
Associated Press

An open bar mitzvah?

/I really am going to hell.

125 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:59:32am

Wonder if CAIR will care about this?
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

126 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:59:32am

re: #122 Thanos

They kept Shackleton alive…

I’m pretty sure they could have been adapted into traditional Somali fare.

127 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:00:03am

re: #98 Nevergiveup

That doesn’t always work. I have a very close friend who send me I guess you could call it porn. It’s usually humorous and not just porn for porns sake, and he sends it to my wife also. Actually she seems to like it better than me, but I digress. But since I use this laptop for my Navy Work, I asked him not to since if I open something, I am never sure where it goes, and I’d hate to have it show up at an inopportune time? E-mail is hard to turn off?

Isn’t blocking easy?

128 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:00:15am

OT, but we’re over 100 posts:
Do all the Jews who thought Obama would be good for Israel still think that?
‘Palestinian state as soon as possible’

“President Obama remains committed to actively and aggressively seeking comprehensive peace in the Middle East. This includes supporting the establishment of a Palestinian state as a homeland for the Palestinian people as soon as possible,” Mitchell told reporters in Beirut.


Doesn’t he know they already have one? It’s called “Jordan”.
And if he wants them to have another, maybe he should visit Sderot for a while, and then see the paradise Hamas has made of Gaza.

129 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:00:24am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

That’s just nonsense. It’s entirely possible to assimilate while maintaining your own language and customs, etc.

130 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:00:37am

re: #66 Killgore Trout

There was a very serious debate about the Federal Reserve in the early 20th century. By statute, it was supposed to stabilize the currency, and manage the money supply. In periods where the money supply is unstable, the Fed comes under political attack. That’s consistent with Paul’s current attacks.

Trivia question: what’s the official legal name of a dollar bill? (Hint: It’s printed on the front of the bill at the top center.)

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:01:10am

re: #123 Nevergiveup

The coldest winter I ever spent……… I guess ya know that one ha?

Was summer in San Francisco…

132 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:01:51am

Just in case anybody is getting full of Hope ‘n Change about the election in Iran…

IAEA: Ahmadinejad election rival launched Iran nuclear program


International Atomic Energy Agency documents revealed that Iran began a secret nuclear program during the tenure of Mir Hossein Mousavi, the opposition leader running against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The documents, which Iran transferred to the IAEA several years ago, show that Tehran decided in 1987 to purchase the centrifuges it is using to enrich uranium.

Mousavi, who is seen as a moderate candidate in the West, served as Iran’s prime minister between 1981 and 1989, and while that position has since been eliminated from Iranian politics, it was an executive position that was similar in nature to the current presidential role.

Moderate centrifuges!

133 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:01:54am

re: #127 MandyManners

Isn’t blocking easy?

He is a good friend and sends out those groups e-mails. I just delete all his attachments now. And when he says did you the Paper one of his kids wrote in their PHD Chemistry program he has to retransmit. I survive.

134 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:01:54am

Gorilla injures 1 during brief escape at SC zoo
Jun. 12, 2009 09:47 AM
Associated Press

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A gorilla is back in its enclosure after briefly escaping at a South Carolina zoo and injuring a worker.

Multiple media outlets reported Friday that the gorilla named Mike escaped his exhibit for about five minutes and injured a food service employee.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:01:55am

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Was summer in San Francisco…

Or, to quote a sweet Hungarian WWI vet I once interviewed, “What kind of tropical climate is this? My feet are falling off.”

136 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:02:19am

re: #101 NelsFree


Seriously. American attire? American surnames? Go hide under a rock pls.

137 Gang of One  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:02:35am

re: #130 quickjustice

There was a very serious debate about the Federal Reserve in the early 20th century. By statute, it was supposed to stabilize the currency, and manage the money supply. In periods where the money supply is unstable, the Fed comes under political attack. That’s consistent with Paul’s current attacks.

Trivia question: what’s the official legal name of a dollar bill? (Hint: It’s printed on the front of the bill at the top center.)

Legal Tender

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:14am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

Ah, so they have to be white, anglo-saxon, and protestant to fit in your America, eh?

139 Gang of One  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:16am

re: #130 quickjustice

Also, Federal Reserve Note

140 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:17am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

Actually- a lot of the younger muslimas I see have adapted their dress to conform more to western standards, like full length denim skirts, and many of them wear hijab instead of chadors like many of the other muslim women do.

Also- ALL the young muslimas I see have cell phones and some have iPods.

If it wasn’t for hijab, they’d look like American girls.

141 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:18am

re: #137 Gang of One

Nope. I repeat: it’s printed on the front of the dollar bill, top center.

142 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:22am

re: #128 Kosh’s Shadow
They’re trying to strong arm Israel…
[Link: www.breitbart.com…]

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:23am

re: #126 OldLineTexan

I’m pretty sure they could have been adapted into traditional Somali fare.

Penguin maraq. Mmm-mmm good.

144 alegrias  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:37am

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

* * * * *
Perhaps like David Letterman, your elderly uncle is experiencing dementia which looses inhibitions and causes him to express ugly thoughts without restraint.

Since your uncle isn’t making these jokes up himself, perhaps he is corresponding with equally demented lonely old guys.

Please confront this relative in person if you can. These must be scary times for old people who’ve lost pensions, health, friends and spouses.

145 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #128 Kosh’s Shadow

OT, but we’re over 100 posts:
Do all the Jews who thought Obama would be good for Israel still think that?
‘Palestinian state as soon as possible’


Doesn’t he know they already have one? It’s called “Jordan”.
And if he wants them to have another, maybe he should visit Sderot for a while, and then see the paradise Hamas has made of Gaza.

I hate Mitchell and Not only because he only seemed able to find NY baseball players on steroids and amazingly none from Boston?

146 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:03:56am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

Does Islam forbid surnames? I don’t think so.

I thought the preference for Moslem/Arabic names was purely cultural, like the style of headdress.

147 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:04:17am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

Since when have these been requirements for immigrants?

148 blueroom127  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:04:21am

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, I moved here last yeah from NYC and found that the cabbies were not really a story at all. 99% of Somali cabbies (and Somalis here in general) here are hard working and assimilating. Also, locally there has been an underlying anger at those people who are encouraging the teens to go back to Somalia and fight.

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:04:47am

re: #141 quickjustice

Here. Hand me a dollar.

150 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:05:35am

re: #140 Sharmuta

Actually- a lot of the younger muslimas I see have adapted their dress to conform more to western standards, like full length denim skirts, and many of them wear hijab instead of chadors like many of the other muslim women do.

Also- ALL the young muslimas I see have cell phones and some have iPods.

If it wasn’t for hijab, they’d look like American girls.

My daughter had a friend in middle school who pretty much dressed that way. She always wore ordinary, American-style long sleeves and long skirts or pants with hijab. How she could stand it in the Georgia heat, I don’t know, but that’s another issue.

151 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:05:48am

re: #147 MandyManners

Since when have these been requirements for immigrants?

It’s like Ellis Island years ago when people were assigned new “American” names.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:06:04am

re: #140 Sharmuta

Actually- a lot of the younger muslimas I see have adapted their dress to conform more to western standards, like full length denim skirts, and many of them wear hijab instead of chadors like many of the other muslim women do.

Also- ALL the young muslimas I see have cell phones and some have iPods.

If it wasn’t for hijab, they’d look like American girls.

We had a big Afghan community in one of the towns I used to teach in. The girls wore jeans and t-shirts, with long-sleeved tees underneath to make the “American” look modest enough, and pull-on hijabs in cute colors.

Really lovely families.

153 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:06:08am

State Dept. Banning Pro-Israel Obama Officials From Speaking Out

Dennis Ross, the U.S. Secretary of State’s special adviser on Iran, says in a new book that the United States will not make progress toward peace in the Middle East with the Obama administration’s new plan… Contrary to the position of the president and other advisers, Ross writes that efforts to advance dialogue with Iran should not be connected to the renewal of talks between Israel and the Palestinians. Other senior officials in the Obama administration told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on his recent visit to Washington that Israeli gestures and the advancement of talks with the Palestinians will help the administration get Iran to suspend uranium enrichment. Because of Ross’ position, his superiors at the State Department do not allow him to promote the book or be interviewed about it.

Unless I’m misreading that, it means that linkage is now the official position of the Obama administration. That’s been predictable since the election, when the ostensibly pro-Israel Obama blamed Israel for the entire length and breadth of Middle East instability. But it’s interesting to see it codified as official State Department policy.

I do hope Mr. Ross’ book sells well, because I don;t think he’ll have a job for much longer.

154 Gang of One  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:06:15am

re: #141 quickjustice

Nope. I repeat: it’s printed on the front of the dollar bill, top center.

See my #131 …

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:06:29am

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

Don’t think I wouldn’t eat a penguin if I were mired in the ice.

156 Gang of One  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:06:58am

Quick:

…#139
PIMF!11!

157 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:07:47am

re: #148 blueroom127

Actually, I moved here last yeah from NYC and found that the cabbies were not really a story at all. 99% of Somali cabbies (and Somalis here in general) here are hard working and assimilating. Also, locally there has been an underlying anger at those people who are encouraging the teens to go back to Somalia and fight.

I have to admit, none of my ancestors ever went back to their decidedly-less-dangerous countries of origin after they came to Texas.

My Moravian great-grandmother was very upset during WW2, according to family tradition. She immigrated as a child of nine, and thought the ocean would protect her family from the evils of Europe. Then all of her sons (14 kids total) enlisted, with only one being rejected.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:08:12am

re: #151 redstateredneck

Immigrant: My name is Hasflgjsgljsfspuogfspfou Dspdougfsufgugusfigusooogu.

Intake… James Smith! Welcome to America.

159 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:08:30am

re: #147 MandyManners

I know. Since… umm never. Unless you happen to be a bigot. In that case they have been there FOREVER. Just ask the hasidic how much shit they have got over the years from people with similar ideas.

160 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:08:35am

re: #153 Kenneth

State Dept. Banning Pro-Israel Obama Officials From Speaking Out

I do hope Mr. Ross’ book sells well, because I don;t think he’ll have a job for much longer.

I get that feeling also and I am no fan of Dennis Ross either, but in comparison he is the best we got in that Admin? Gee What a World?

161 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:08:50am

re: #151 redstateredneck

It’s like Ellis Island years ago when people were assigned new “American” names.

Happened in Galveston, too. In my family, “Petelsen” became “Peterson” (direct Anglicization though), and then he went back two years later and changed it to “Peters”.

162 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:08:58am

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don’t think I wouldn’t eat a penguin if I were mired in the ice.

I think you would…extreme hunger will alter your tastes rather quickly…just the other day someone offered me a tofu salad…I wanted to puke but I ate it anyway

163 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:09:19am

re: #150 doppelganglander

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

I worked with a muslim lady from the Balkans that wore slacks as well. At times it can be interesting- I’ve seen little Somali girls in hijab and dresses, and teenaged Turks in jeans.

164 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:09:42am

re: #151 redstateredneck

It’s like Ellis Island years ago when people were assigned new “American” names.

In later generations, some children and grandchildren of those immigrants adopted the original family name. The example I’m thinking of is Irving Wallace, the writer, whose son went by David Wallachinsky. I don’t whether Wallace changed his name himself or if it was done in a previous generation, by choice or by immigration officials.

165 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:09:47am

re: #151 redstateredneck

It’s like Ellis Island years ago when people were assigned new “American” names.

That was government bureaucracy, not a Constitutional/ U.S. Law requirement.

166 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:10:30am

re: #151 redstateredneck

It’s like Ellis Island years ago when people were assigned new “American” names.

They were assigned.

167 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:10:44am

re: #165 FurryOldGuyJeans

That was government bureaucracy, not a Constitutional/ U.S. Law requirement.

Vito Andolini from Corleone—Ok Vito Corleone.

168 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:11:04am

re: #130 quickjustice


Trivia question: what’s the official legal name of a dollar bill? (Hint: It’s printed on the front of the bill at the top center.)

Promissory Note?

169 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:11:18am

re: #165 FurryOldGuyJeans

That was government bureaucracy, not a Constitutional/ U.S. Law requirement.

Many illiterate and not-fully-literate immigrants were given new spellings and hence new names by not-fully-literate census takers.

170 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:11:20am

Mathematical Proof That Negotiating With Iran Is Stupid. Not Wrong. Stupid.


Q: Assuming that there is nothing that Iran wants more than the bomb, what can the US give them to get them to give up the bomb?
A: Nothing. There is nothing that the US can offer Iran that they will take instead of building nukes, because there is nothing they prefer more than nukes.
171 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:11:53am

re: #165 FurryOldGuyJeans

That was government bureaucracy, not a Constitutional/ U.S. Law requirement.

same with native Americans…Jim Thorp’s name was Wa-Tho-Huk…white Christians changed it for him

172 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:11:54am

re: #147 MandyManners

Since when have these been requirements for immigrants?

Hi Mandy! I believe they were put in place after these guys arrived:

Youtube Video
173 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:12:29am

re: #163 Sharmuta

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

I worked with a muslim lady from the Balkans that wore slacks as well. At times it can be interesting- I’ve seen little Somali girls in hijab and dresses, and teenaged Turks in jeans.

Common look in London when I lived there was Pakistani teens in trendy jeans and tops, and headscarves.

Little girls, whose moms made their clothes, were often wearing salwar kameez cut from cartoon-character sheeting. My Little Pony, Star Bright, that sort of thing. Very cute.

174 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:13:01am

re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist

Common look in London when I lived there was Pakistani teens in trendy jeans and tops, and headscarves.

Little girls, whose moms made their clothes, were often wearing salwar kameez cut from cartoon-character sheeting. My Little Pony, Star Bright, that sort of thing. Very cute.

Dora the kuffar?

/

175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:13:08am

re: #169 OldLineTexan

Many illiterate and not-fully-literate immigrants were given new spellings and hence new names by not-fully-literate census takers.

It still was not a Constitutional/U.S. Law requirement to be given “American” surnames.

176 enoughalready  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:13:27am

re: #170 Kenneth

That’s really nowhere near a mathematical proof. In fact it is just a nice little fantasy fabrication. I don’t necessarily think Iran can be stopped but calling that a mathematical proof is like calling this post a treatise on civil liberties.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:13:35am

re: #171 albusteve

same with native Americans…Jim Thorp’s name was Wa-Tho-Huk…white Christians changed it for him

Oh, wait, THAT’S an American surname!

178 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:13:47am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.


How about Somali cab drivers starting to pick up people at the airport that are transporting liquor?
How about picking up the blind with guide dogs?

179 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:14:03am

Gotta’ go chop some stuff for dinner. bbiaw

180 MikeAlv77  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:14:10am

re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist

Common look in London when I lived there was Pakistani teens in trendy jeans and tops, and headscarves.

Little girls, whose moms made their clothes, were often wearing salwar kameez cut from cartoon-character sheeting. My Little Pony, Star Bright, that sort of thing. Very cute.

I have seen the same thing here in Wilmington, Delaware. Muslim girls wearing tight jeans and headscarves. I always find that a little strange. They cover their hair to be modest but have tight “painted-on” jeans….

181 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:14:30am

re: #165 FurryOldGuyJeans

That was government bureaucracy, not a Constitutional/ U.S. Law requirement.

I think it was also not wanting to be bothered to try to spell the foreign names on the paperwork!

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:15:02am

re: #174 OldLineTexan

Dora the kuffar?

/

Groan.

Dora was not out when I was in London—but I’m sure she’s joined the group.

183 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #145 Nevergiveup

I hate Mitchell and Not only because he only seemed able to find NY baseball players on steroids and amazingly none from Boston?

I’ve noticed a trend that NY keeps and signs ‘roid players and Boston ships them off. BOS traded/released Manny, Garciaparra. NYY brings in ARod, Giambi, Sheffield.

184 Gang of One  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:15:18am

re: #181 redstateredneck

I think it was also not wanting to be bothered to try to spell the foreign names on the paperwork!

Or spell them incorrectly, perhaps?

185 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:15:38am

re: #178 opnion

How about Somali cab drivers starting to pick up people at the airport that are transporting liquor?
How about picking up the blind with guide dogs?

Actually- they have to take those people, or it’s their job.

186 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:17:02am

Thanks, Everyone…especially for bringing up the possibility of a cognitive/dementia problem.

My brain was stuck on “stunned” and I should have come up with other possible reasons. Thank you very much for supplying them.

Still haven’t heard back, but his daughter lives near him and they are close…time to check in with her.

Take care all.

187 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:17:07am

Speaking of Ellis Island, I did the tour there when I was in New York and what was so cool about it is the recording on the headsets that you listen to are the voices of people who actually were processed there when they were children and their memories and impressions. Really fascinating.

188 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:17:19am

re: #183 CommonCents

I’ve noticed a trend that NY keeps and signs ‘roid players and Boston ships them off. BOS traded/released Manny, Garciaparra. NYY brings in ARod, Giambi, Sheffield.

Yeah that part interest Mitchell had in the Sox is just no never mind? And as to the Yanks singing old roid palyer—well—well—and your mother to!
/

189 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:17:23am

re: #165 FurryOldGuyJeans

That was government bureaucracy, not a Constitutional/ U.S. Law requirement.

I keep picturing my Irish ancestors - those who were literate - trying to spell their names, and the inspectors staring at them, then writing down what they heard as the name.

190 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:17:28am

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Maybe it will spread to the West Bank and Gaza? Not holding my breath.

The Islamists are much scarier there, I’m pretty sure. Would you rather be up against CAIR or Hamas?

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:17:34am

re: #181 redstateredneck

I think it was also not wanting to be bothered to try to spell the foreign names on the paperwork!

Gee, a governmental bureaucrat being lazy. Now there’s a stretch! ;)

The number of people being processed through Ellis just encouraged such shortcuts being made, and the implicit discrimination of the times also contributed to such happenings.

192 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:17:37am

re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans

It still was not a Constitutional/U.S. Law requirement to be given “American” surnames.

I didn’t say it was.

193 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:17:53am

re: #185 Sharmuta

Actually- they have to take those people, or it’s their job.

Yes, the taxi authority responded swiftly to their shenanigans (which, IIRC, were supported by CAIR). I think the whole point of this story is that CAIR’s influence over the Somali community is waning.

194 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:18:11am

re: #169 OldLineTexan

Many illiterate and not-fully-literate immigrants were given new spellings and hence new names by not-fully-literate census takers.

and when confronted with a name that sounds as if the owner, who doesn’t speak or write English, pronounced it while gargling marbles, what’s the poor clerk to do?

Spell it as best he can according to how he hears it….

195 MikeAlv77  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:18:27am

re: #190 wrenchwench

The Islamists are much scarier there, I’m pretty sure. Would you rather be up against CAIR or Hamas?

Aren’t they the same except Hamas has the a militia to back them up….

196 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:19:18am

re: #195 MikeAlv77

Aren’t they the same except Hamas has the a militia to back them up….

An important distinction!

197 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:19:25am

re: #190 wrenchwench

The Islamists are much scarier there, I’m pretty sure. Would you rather be up against CAIR or Hamas?

I’d rather be up against the former Miss California, but that’s just me.

198 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:19:40am

re: #190 wrenchwench

The Islamists are much scarier there, I’m pretty sure. Would you rather be up against CAIR or Hamas?

/same snake, different ends…

199 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:19:48am

re: #192 OldLineTexan

I didn’t say it was.

I know you didn’t, you just got caught by the backwash. :)

200 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #193 doppelganglander

Yes, the taxi authority responded swiftly to their shenanigans (which, IIRC, were supported by CAIR). I think the whole point of this story is that CAIR’s influence over the Somali community is waning.

Well- as I said earlier, the cab fatwa was issues by MAS MN, a branch of the muslim brotherhood like cair. I think we could conclude it’s the brotherhood that is losing the support of the MN Somali community.

201 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:20:22am

According to past LGF reports, CAIR has fewer than two thousand members. Yet it is constantly in the public the “go to” organization for media commentary on Islamic issues. Despite its manifest lack of mass support, it is virtually the media-appointed spokesman for millions of American Muslims. As such, it is largely a creation of the media themselves, one of a class of organizations that might best be called symbiotic auxiliaries of the media-industrial complex. The notorious Center for Science in the Public Interest is another such media fiction, an organization created to present the media culture line in the guise of independent grassroots activism.

202 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:20:25am

re: #194 eschew_obfuscation

and when confronted with a name that sounds as if the owner, who doesn’t speak or write English, pronounced it while gargling marbles, what’s the poor clerk to do?

Spell it as best he can according to how he hears it….

What’s also fun is to look at the online copies of handwritten census pages and compare handwriting, usually beautiful even if illegible, and puzzle out the “unique” spellings.

203 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:20:53am

re: #185 Sharmuta

Actually- they have to take those people, or it’s their job.

That’s ggod. I do know that there was some consideration of having an identfier on cabs operated by Mulims so that they could discriminate.

204 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:20:53am

re: #199 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ewww.

/

205 MikeAlv77  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:20:56am

re: #197 Nevergiveup

I’d rather be up against the former Miss California, but that’s just me.

Amen brother…..

206 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:21:25am

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

According to past LGF reports, CAIR has fewer than two thousand members. Yet it is constantly in the public the “go to” organization for media commentary on Islamic issues. Despite its manifest lack of mass support, it is virtually the media-appointed spokesman for millions of American Muslims. As such, it is largely a creation of the media themselves, one of a class of organizations that might best be called symbiotic auxiliaries of the media-industrial complex. The notorious Center for Science in the Public Interest is another such media fiction, an organization created to present the media culture line in the guise of independent grassroots activism.

What ever happened to that fat arab guy the networks always had on?

207 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:21:46am

re: #205 MikeAlv77

Amen brother…..

Praise the Lord!

208 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:21:47am

re: #200 Sharmuta

Well- as I said earlier, the cab fatwa was issues by MAS MN, a branch of the muslim brotherhood like cair. I think we could conclude it’s the brotherhood that is losing the support of the MN Somali community.

I certainly will not be shedding any tears over such a happening.

209 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:22:05am

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

News flash! Journalists are lazy. There might be film at 11, or not.

210 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:22:07am

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

According to past LGF reports, CAIR has fewer than two thousand members. Yet it is constantly in the public the “go to” organization for media commentary on Islamic issues. Despite its manifest lack of mass support, it is virtually the media-appointed spokesman for millions of American Muslims. As such, it is largely a creation of the media themselves, one of a class of organizations that might best be called symbiotic auxiliaries of the media-industrial complex. The notorious Center for Science in the Public Interest is another such media fiction, an organization created to present the media culture line in the guise of independent grassroots activism.

That’s a very good point and we need to continue to call the media out on that.

211 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:22:47am

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

According to past LGF reports, CAIR has fewer than two thousand members. Yet it is constantly in the public the “go to” organization for media commentary on Islamic issues. Despite its manifest lack of mass support, it is virtually the media-appointed spokesman for millions of American Muslims. As such, it is largely a creation of the media themselves, one of a class of organizations that might best be called symbiotic auxiliaries of the media-industrial complex. The notorious Center for Science in the Public Interest is another such media fiction, an organization created to present the media culture line in the guise of independent grassroots activism.

also, let’s not forget the massive Saudi funding that allows an organization of a couple thousand to pursue law suits and do all of the harassment and public “stuntifying” that they do.

212 slokat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:23:29am

re: #197 Nevergiveup

I’d rather be up against the former Miss California, but that’s just me.

I actually prefer the new improved Miss California ;)

213 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:23:33am

re: #200 Sharmuta

Well- as I said earlier, the cab fatwa was issues by MAS MN, a branch of the muslim brotherhood like cair. I think we could conclude it’s the brotherhood that is losing the support of the MN Somali community.

I think the MN Somali community is seeing that in the US, they can be their own Muslims and still be Americans, instead of making their lives as bad as they were in the place they left.

And CAIR is working too hard to appear moderate to resort to the techniques the Taliban is using. Besides, no one in the US would let them get away with blowing up mosques; CAIR would be locked up pretty quickly if they started that.

214 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #209 doppelganglander

News flash! Journalists are lazy. There might be film at 11, or not.

And they have an agenda inimical to America and American interests.

215 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:24:05am

re: #209 doppelganglander

News flash! Journalists are lazy. There might be film at 11, or not.

LOL! Similar to one of my old favorites:

Newsflash! Video editors on strike! Slides at 11.

216 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:24:15am

Nels is starting off his Friday right… comment 101 put him number 3 in bottom comments, and still rising…

217 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:24:40am
218 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:25:14am

re: #203 opnion

That’s ggod. I do know that there was some consideration of having an identfier on cabs operated by Mulims so that they could discriminate.

And that went down in flames, thanks largely in part to people like Charles for promoting the story, and many, many letters and emails to the airport to stop it from readers all over the world.

219 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:25:29am

re: #215 subsailor68

LOL! Similar to one of my old favorites:

Newsflash! Video editors on strike! Slides at 11.

Or as George Carlin (I think) used to say “Russian tanks on the New Jersey Turnpike……details at 11:00.

220 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:25:29am

Sports talk radio here in NYC is going crazy over the imminent demise of Baseball as we know it and thus the end of America. With The Hated Boston Red Sox having the Yanks number ( maybe that Ortiz Jersey is still in the New Stadium ) and the Mets well being the Mets the sky is falling.

221 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:26:05am

One lucky kid.

222 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:26:24am

re: #206 Nevergiveup

What ever happened to that fat arab guy the networks always had on?

James Abourezk?
He’s still around, spouting CAIR style garbage if not worse:

..the U.S. Congress is despicable in its silence. They are all bought off by the Israel lobby and are afraid to criticize. If this were happening in any other country by any other country, there would be speeches on the floor of Congress, legislation introduced to stop aid and other help to whomever would be committing this cruelty. But since their campaign money comes from the Israeli lobby, we hear only silence.


He has faded from the media though, possibly because he is 78 years old and possibly because he is a Maronite Christian and therefore lacks the degree of purity and glamour the media seek.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:27:06am

re: #221 redstateredneck


Crazy! I was just about to link that myself. We were reading it at the same time! (I just read slower)

224 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:27:57am

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crazy! I was just about to link that myself. We were reading it at the same time! (I just read slower)

Lord, if that thing would have hit him in the head!

225 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:28:01am

re: #222 Shiplord Kirel

No there was this really fat American guy who always talked up the Palestinians.

226 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:28:51am

re: #219 eschew_obfuscation

Or as George Carlin (I think) used to say “Russian tanks on the New Jersey Turnpike……details at 11:00.

Reports are in that they are stuck attempting to pay for their toll on the turnpike in Rubles, there is some haggling over the exchange rate, back to you Bob.

227 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:28:58am
228 davinvalkri  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:29:22am

Let’s hope this becomes a trend nationwide!

229 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:29:30am

re: #220 Nevergiveup

Sports talk radio here in NYC is going crazy over the imminent demise of Baseball as we know it and thus the end of America. With The Hated Boston Red Sox having the Yanks number ( maybe that Ortiz Jersey is still in the New Stadium ) and the Mets well being the Mets the sky is falling.

See, the curse really was reversed. The Yankees won’t win another series for around 80 more years.

230 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:29:32am

U.N. Security Council Approves Expanded North Korea Sanctions

The U.N. Security Council approved tough new sanctions against North Korea Friday for its recent nuclear test.

The resolution imposes new sanctions on the reclusive communist nation’s weapons exports and financial dealings, and allows inspections of suspect cargo in ports and on the high seas.

U.S. deputy ambassador Rosemary DiCarlo said Friday’s vote was a strong and united international response to North Korea’s unacceptable behavior.

China and Russia had been reluctant to support punitive measures against North Korea, supported the U.S.-drafted resolution on Friday, which is now binding under international law, Reuters reported.

The communist nation is unlikely to respond militarily to the sanctions, but the possibility should not be completely dismissed, Reuters quoted U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said.

This is a good step.

231 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:29:38am

re: #221 redstateredneck

One lucky kid.

shit happens…
close don’t count tho…check this out

Youtube Video
232 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:29:41am

re: #221 redstateredneck

One lucky kid.

That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. A little funny that it’s reported by Sky News.

233 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:30:22am

re: #226 Hengineer

Reports are in that they are stuck attempting to pay for their toll on the turnpike in Rubles, there is some haggling over the exchange rate, back to you Bob.

Someobody go back and get a shitload of dimes.
—from Blazing Saddles

234 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:31:06am

re: #232 KenJen

That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. A little funny that it’s reported by Sky News.

Sky News…heh, didn’t catch that.

235 alegrias  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:31:08am

re: #219 eschew_obfuscation

Or as George Carlin (I think) used to say “Russian tanks on the New Jersey Turnpike……details at 11:00.

* * * * *
OT

“The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming” was a cute movie (forgot to add to the movie thread a couple nights back)—and darned if they weren’t attractive blonde Russians telling “All Peoples to get off street” or somesuch lines!

236 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:31:10am

re: #230 Kenneth

U.N. Security Council Approves Expanded North Korea Sanctions

This is a good step.

The Norks must have made China nervous….

237 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:31:28am

re: #229 Kosh’s Shadow

See, the curse really was reversed. The Yankees won’t win another series for around 80 more years.

I agree, but it is the curse of the A-Rod now. As long as he is on the team, your right.

238 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:31:36am

OT-

Sonofabitch! Just got a phone message from Bank of Am.
Account is locked because of unusual usage. Wife has been traveling in Europe (which she does every year or two so it’s not that unusual) and apparently it triggered an alarm. I’ve had this happen before when on vacation in the States, but this one totally blows. She’s over there doing traveling research and I have no phone number to reach her for a couple days. I hate the thought that she’s going to get to some train station/hotel and be denied. I sent her an e-mail hoping to catch her before she tries to make a purchase but I’m going to be sweating it out until I hear from her.
PS- I can’t vouch for whatever expenditures she made (even though I told them that I didn’t care and to just let it go because the charges they were questioning were all made exactly where I knew her to be at the time) so I can’t help at all from this end.

239 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:32:10am

re: #235 alegrias

* * * * *
OT

“The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming” was a cute movie (forgot to add to the movie thread a couple nights back)—and darned if they weren’t attractive blonde Russians telling “All Peoples to get off street” or somesuch lines!

“Emairgency, Emairgency…..everybody to get from street!”

240 Perplexed  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.
Since Islam forbids all of these things, I question whether this incident is the start of a trend, or merely a blip in dar-ul-harb.

That was a problem with the Hmong as well. The first group arriving lacked language skills, knew nothing about the US culture, and were pretty much reviled after clashing with the locals. Second generation doesn’t have nearly as many problems. This is an on going issue with all waves of immigrants.

241 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:32:36am

re: #238 Lincolntf

When I travel over seas, I always call the credit card account I am carrying and tell them.

242 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:32:44am

re: #224 redstateredneck

Lord, if that thing would have hit him in the head!

this one did…

Youtube Video
243 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:32:51am

re: #238 Lincolntf

Shit..no alternate credit card?

244 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:33:00am
245 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:33:08am

re: #114 Thanos

The opposite of Assimilation is Diversity.
I accept the numerous downdings reluctantly. It is my opinion that too many minorities insist on retaining their cultural identity instead of identifying themselves as “Americans”.
As far as Muslims not being able to assimilate, allow me to present some evidence:
The Islamic-American Pledge of Allegiance:
[Link: www.biae.net…]

Non-muslim names are haram:
[Link: www.muslim-names.co.uk…]
“Further parents must make sure that the baby names they select signify servitude to Allah alone and to no one else. “

A previous version of the page, now removed, stated: ” From the names forbidden for our sons and daughters particular to our enemies, the Jews and the Christians, like: George, David, Michael, etc., since use of these names causes - sooner or later - love of them and feeling of closeness to them and imitating them in their manners and their customs and we - the Muslims - have been forbidden to imitate our enemies and to have love for them and ties of friendship.”
[Link: www.muslim-names.co.uk…]

A fatwa, now removed, Preventing celebrating Thanksgiving:
[Link: www.islam.tc…]
“Thanks giving being a national holiday expresses its salient position in the American culture, which has many unislamic values and principles. Inview of the above it is not permissible to celebrate Thanksgiving Day.

Please understand that I am not the clothes police, nor advocating un-American values. What I am saying is that I have collected information, some of which I’m sharing, that indicates that Muslims are NOT to assimilate. THAT is un-American. I am in favor of anyone wanting to become American to assimilate. If you wish I shall provide more examples of how assimilating is haram.

246 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:33:10am

Self-cleaning underwear needs no washing for weeks

247 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:33:34am

re: #235 alegrias

* * * * *
OT

“The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming” was a cute movie (forgot to add to the movie thread a couple nights back)—and darned if they weren’t attractive blonde Russians telling “All Peoples to get off street” or somesuch lines!

“Egermency! Everyone from the street!”

248 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:34:58am

re: #242 albusteve

this one did…

Sure it did…
:D

249 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:35:29am

re: #244 Iron Fist

It’s not just telling him to play nice. This resolution makes it costly for him to continue on as before. Trade sanctions & stopping ships at sea to inspect for banned cargoes will hit North Korea hard. The past approach of Western aid in exchange for promises was doomed to fail. Let’s hope that is past.

250 Perplexed  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:36:10am

re: #178 opnion

How about Somali cab drivers starting to pick up people at the airport that are transporting liquor?
How about picking up the blind with guide dogs?

That was pretty much shut down when the MPLS/StP folks laid down the law. First reported incident and they get banned from the airport for a month. Second and subsequent offenses include fines and increased time away from the airport up to and including lifetime ban.

251 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:36:14am

re: #241 Nevergiveup

I’ll have to remember to do that. Never thought of it.

re: #243 redstateredneck

She does have credit cards, but I know it’ll upset the crap out of her if she gets to a hotel or something and finds out that her original card has been blocked. She’ll be worried and unsure of what account/card to use.

252 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:36:17am

re: #238 Lincolntf

I had that happen to me. I was checking out at the grocery store and my card declined. The cashier yelled DECLINED. Embarrassing. Luckily I had enought cash. The message on the terminal should read CALL BANK or something. To save embarrassment and alert the cardholder there is a problem.

253 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:36:38am

re: #246 Kenneth

Self-cleaning underwear needs no washing for weeks

This coating both kills bacteria, and forces liquids to bead and run off.


Run off to where?

254 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:36:48am

re: #238 Lincolntf

That’s terrible. I hope it all gets worked out promptly. One of my daughter’s roommates in Florence had her account blocked while she was overseas. The bank insisted the only way they could unblock the account was if she appeared at a branch IN PERSON. Luckily, her parents were able to wire her money.

255 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:37:19am

re: #238 Lincolntf

OT-

Sonofabitch! Just got a phone message from Bank of Am.
Account is locked because of unusual usage. Wife has been traveling in Europe (which she does every year or two so it’s not that unusual) and apparently it triggered an alarm. I’ve had this happen before when on vacation in the States, but this one totally blows. She’s over there doing traveling research and I have no phone number to reach her for a couple days. I hate the thought that she’s going to get to some train station/hotel and be denied. I sent her an e-mail hoping to catch her before she tries to make a purchase but I’m going to be sweating it out until I hear from her.
PS- I can’t vouch for whatever expenditures she made (even though I told them that I didn’t care and to just let it go because the charges they were questioning were all made exactly where I knew her to be at the time) so I can’t help at all from this end.

This is why I always carry at least two credit cards from different banks.
Especially since after a business trip in DC, my card got rejected at the Logan Airport parking garage! Not the bigger expenses in DC; the one for the parking garage! That was the “what’s in your wallet” company; another one blocked a card because we used it twice in a row at a store. One purchase was for business expenses; the other for personal. This way, we’d have a separate receipt for business. Stupid checkout person tried 3 times after it was rejected, while I was trying to hand her another card. I got two sets of calls over that one.

256 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:37:48am

re: #252 KenJen

I had that happen to me. I was checking out at the grocery store and my card declined. The cashier yelled DECLINED. Embarrassing. Luckily I had enought cash. The message on the terminal should read CALL BANK or something. To save embarrassment and alert the cardholder there is a problem.

Surprised they didn’t get on the PA system and announce it!

257 alegrias  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:40:42am

re: #239 eschew_obfuscation

“Emairgency, Emairgency…..everybody to get from street!”

* * * *
Thank you, that was priceless!

Ah, the good old Cold War Dayz. Somehow, “Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, all Infidels go get stoned/beheaded/mutilated” doesn’t have the same ring.

258 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:40:47am

re: #233 Kosh’s Shadow

Someobody go back and get a shitload of dimes.
—from Blazing Saddles

classic!

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:41:54am

re: #231 albusteve

Clever.

260 CommonCents  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:41:56am

re: #230 Kenneth

U.N. Security Council Approves Expanded North Korea Sanctions

This is a good step.

N.Korea is set to respond with another nuke test. Then what? The U.N. and the U.S. better not back down to Kim’s tantrums. This merry-go-round has resulted in where we are now.
Fortunately, this time it looks like S. Korea isn’t playing mr. nice guy with the north.

261 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:42:23am

re: #239 eschew_obfuscation

“Emairgency, Emairgency…..everybody to get from street!”

We are looking for the Nuclear Wessels?!?

-Star Trek

262 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:43:30am

re: #225 Nevergiveup

No there was this really fat American guy who always talked up the Palestinians.

I know who your talking about , but I can’t remember his name.
He was always very snarky.

263 kansas  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:44:14am

About 50 people attended the rally, waving signs and hollering, “CAIR out! Doublespeak out!”

Doublespeak referring to Democrats and Obama?

264 alegrias  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:45:48am

OT

Old President Bush has landed safely! (Parachuting to celebrate his 85th birthday.)

265 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:45:51am

re: #250 Perplexed

That was pretty much shut down when the MPLS/StP folks laid down the law. First reported incident and they get banned from the airport for a month. Second and subsequent offenses include fines and increased time away from the airport up to and including lifetime ban.

It sounds like a really good policy. They took their piety to an extreme tr5efyusing to even have liquor or a guide dog in their cabs.
I am glad that this got slapped down.

266 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:45:59am

So, I hope that you all can see that I am bringing up the specific case of Islam’s teachings being against the Ummah taking on un-Islamic characteristics. A previous poster mentioned that some Muslimas wear tight jeans with a hijab. Recall the cab driver in Texas who killed his two teenage daughters for dressing that way and becoming involved with kuffar boys. This is the issue that must be addressed. If a Muslim who assimilates is considered an apostate, that is bad, wherever it occurs.

267 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:48:12am

re: #263 kansas

About 50 people attended the rally, waving signs and hollering, “CAIR out! Doublespeak out!”

Doublespeak referring to Democrats and Obama?

I’m assuming CAIR’s doublespeak in that they claim to represent Muslims and that they are all good citizens when they turn around and tell the Somalis “Don’t cooperate with the police”.

268 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:48:41am

there is a taxi driver that drove me from the Hartford airport to my house a couple of years ago that was an immigrant from Somalia. I happened upon him by accident, but started a conversation with him on the 30 minute drive home. Turned out he was a really great guy and i got his card. I called him again last summer when I needed a ride and we started talking politics and family. He distrusted Obama even though he himself was a muslim and said he’d be voting for McCain. And he volunteered that info before I ever told him that I felt the same way. And I look like someone who would be an Obama guy, so he took a bit of a risk that I might not like his politics. He is now the only cab driver I will call for my airport runs. The lesson here is to try and get to know people and NEVER judge a book by its cover.

269 Reluctant Democrat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:49:19am

I’m glad they are protesting, too. The rest of society doesn’t have the guts.

The article was very vague, but why would an Islamic group kill a guy who came to Somali to help them? What’s the story here?

270 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:49:58am

re: #264 alegrias

OT

Old President Bush has landed safely! (Parachuting to celebrate his 85th birthday.)

Read my lips, No New Landings!

/s

271 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:53:22am

re: #269 Reluctant Democrat

I’m glad they are protesting, too. The rest of society doesn’t have the guts.

The article was very vague, but why would an Islamic group kill a guy who came to Somali to help them? What’s the story here?


the story is that another youth from the Mpls mosque did a suicide bombing last summer and the FBI is investigating. this poor kid who was just murdered was seen by the jihadis as someone who would probably give testimony to the authorities since he probably knew the other kid who did the suicide bombing. so he had to be killed.

272 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:56:07am

re: #245 NelsFree

Ya, I get it. They belong to religion that’s partly repressive and in need of reform in many ways. You won’t gain assimilation through force however, and trying to specify “American Names” is ridiculous and anti-liberty, same goes for dress. It’s just plain wrong.

273 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #255 Kosh’s Shadow

It’s remarkably arbitrary how they decide to “lock” accounts. A 2 week trip to the Grand Canyon/a wedding/multiple purchases didn’t generate a peep. One nice dinner at the Cape and we were blocked.
I know that they must have some formula that flags the charges but the pre-emptive confiscation of MY money pisses me off to no end. They’ll happily take my money from me without question, but when I tell them to let my wife go unbothered then I’m the problem. A little common sense would go a long way.

274 Perplexed  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:57:23am

re: #265 opnion

It sounds like a really good policy. They took their piety to an extreme tr5efyusing to even have liquor or a guide dog in their cabs.
I am glad that this got slapped down.

This happened right before the Republican convention last year. People were really up in arms over this one and wanted something done before the word got out and it shut down tourism.

275 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:58:34am

re: #269 Reluctant Democrat

I’m glad they are protesting, too. The rest of society doesn’t have the guts.

The article was very vague, but why would an Islamic group kill a guy who came to Somali to help them? What’s the story here?

Maybe he figured things out and decided he wanted to go home.

276 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:59:25am

re: #266 NelsFree

So, I hope that you all can see that I am bringing up the specific case of Islam’s teachings being against the Ummah taking on un-Islamic characteristics. A previous poster mentioned that some Muslimas wear tight jeans with a hijab. Recall the cab driver in Texas who killed his two teenage daughters for dressing that way and becoming involved with kuffar boys. This is the issue that must be addressed. If a Muslim who assimilates is considered an apostate, that is bad, wherever it occurs.

Yes, and we have laws for that and the ones who do it get prosecuted. It’s truly great that moderate muslims feel safe enough in our free country to step forward and express their outrage at the extremists. It’s like the ones who chased off the extremists in Luton last week. We must continue to encourage and support the moderates.

277 Perplexed  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:00:26am

re: #273 Lincolntf

It’s remarkably arbitrary how they decide to “lock” accounts. A 2 week trip to the Grand Canyon/a wedding/multiple purchases didn’t generate a peep. One nice dinner at the Cape and we were blocked.
I know that they must have some formula that flags the charges but the pre-emptive confiscation of MY money pisses me off to no end. They’ll happily take my money from me without question, but when I tell them to let my wife go unbothered then I’m the problem. A little common sense would go a long way.

A good way to have this happen is to make a few small purchases from gas stations/mini-marts. This raises the flag as a stolen card being tested before making the big buy. Got to scream at a Wells-Fargo guy over this as well.

278 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:01:40am

re: #260 CommonCents

When attempting to correct anti-social or unhealthy behavior in an unruly child, the first step is to clearly enunciate the rules and consequences for misbehavior. You can expect the child to test that by upping the intensity and frequency of the misbehavior. If the parent responds at this stage by backing down, all is lost. The consequences for misbehavior must be consistent and increasingly painful in the face of escalation.

279 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:03:41am

re: #272 Thanos
Dear Thanos,

I was in no way advocating any kind of force. I was pointing out that the guidance of Islamic scholars and leaders is exactly the kind of control that you (and many, many other downdingers) disapprove. My words, upon reflection, do appear to indicate a mandate. I apologize for the imposition. I should have used a softer tone to encourage assimilation. So, if my apology and explanation is deemed sufficient, may some of the downdings be reversed, please?

280 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:04:40am

re: #277 Perplexed

A good way to have this happen is to make a few small purchases from gas stations/mini-marts. This raises the flag as a stolen card being tested before making the big buy. Got to scream at a Wells-Fargo guy over this as well.

You’re complaining about this? I like this feature! It tells me that if my card number was stolen somewhere (online purchases often flag it as well), then Wells Fargo checks with me to verify my purchases.

Sometimes people complain about the wrong things. When somebody asks to see my ID to compare with my credit card, I THANK THEM.

281 Reluctant Democrat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:04:53am

re: #271 _RememberTonyC

Yeah, maybe he was caught up in a “work accident” or just wanted to go home.

IMO There’s more to the story of how these guys disappeared: somebody needs to be indicted for inciting and supporting terrorism.

282 friarstale  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:06:52am

speaking of Somalia, I’m about halfway through Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Wow!
What a fascinating read. She witnessed the destruction of Somalia, from communist dictatorship devolving into clan warfare. She was very lucky to have escaped to the West.
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

(I know this came out a while ago, but I’m right in the middle of listening to it as a book on tape)

283 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:07:06am

Well, I believe I shall venture upstairs and carefully, very carefully, consider my next post.

284 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:07:41am

re: #279 NelsFree

Dear Thanos,

I was in no way advocating any kind of force. I was pointing out that the guidance of Islamic scholars and leaders is exactly the kind of control that you (and many, many other downdingers) disapprove. My words, upon reflection, do appear to indicate a mandate. I apologize for the imposition. I should have used a softer tone to encourage assimilation. So, if my apology and explanation is deemed sufficient, may some of the downdings be reversed, please?

Countering the extreme fundamentalists with extreme xenophobia isn’t the answer. I don’t care how they dress, speak, or name their children. I do care that they follow our laws. It seems at least fifty muslims in MN like it that way too.

285 swamprat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:13:19am

Main-streamed, happy, well-adjusted, patriotic, American Muslims are CAIRs’ worst nightmare.

286 Perplexed  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:16:53am

re: #280 Hengineer

You’re complaining about this? I like this feature! It tells me that if my card number was stolen somewhere (online purchases often flag it as well), then Wells Fargo checks with me to verify my purchases.

Sometimes people complain about the wrong things. When somebody asks to see my ID to compare with my credit card, I THANK THEM.

They didn’t contact me until the third gas station. I was on my way to the airport and was refueling a rental car before drop off. Know how much the rental car agencies charge you for a gallon of gas? My company takes a dim view of having rental agencies refuel vehicles.

287 slokat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:17:01am

re: #280 Hengineer

You’re complaining about this? I like this feature! It tells me that if my card number was stolen somewhere (online purchases often flag it as well), then Wells Fargo checks with me to verify my purchases.

Sometimes people complain about the wrong things. When somebody asks to see my ID to compare with my credit card, I THANK THEM.

I agree with you wholeheartedly!
Took a couple of minutes on the phone to turn it back on when it happened to me, and when they apologized I replied, “don’t worry - thanks for protecting my account!”

288 swamprat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:19:13am

CAIR is a foreign agent that wants to isolate our muslim citizens for their own purposes. They will fail. America is all encompassing and accepting. America is Borg. All will be assimilated.

289 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:22:26am

re: #284 Thanos

Thank you, Thanos. I understand your point. I have apologized. It is my nature to not offer excuses for my inappropriate statements. I hope that further beat-downs may be omitted.

290 Perplexed  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:28:18am

re: #287 slokat

I agree with you wholeheartedly!
Took a couple of minutes on the phone to turn it back on when it happened to me, and when they apologized I replied, “don’t worry - thanks for protecting my account!”

That works when you’re in the states. Try doing that from a place your cell phone doesn’t work.

291 wiffersnapper  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:29:25am

Good for the somalis

292 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #286 Perplexed

They didn’t contact me until the third gas station. I was on my way to the airport and was refueling a rental car before drop off. Know how much the rental car agencies charge you for a gallon of gas? My company takes a dim view of having rental agencies refuel vehicles.

In most cases you can call ahead of time to warn them you’re going on a certain trip. I’ve had to do it when the ship I’m on goes on deployment, to warn them that I’m traveling overseas and that they might see charges in Djibouti, Fujairah UAE, Dubai UAE, etc….

293 altermite  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:34:05am

re: #227 Iron Fist

Excellent point. I wish I could ding you twice for it. And look at how the media treats the NRA. There about as many NRA members in the country as there are gay people. Both are at the 1% of the population level. Both are vocal about their agenda.

Observe the slant in the MSM. It is stunning.


Gays make up a good deal more than 1% of the population. Around 4.1% are openly gay, from the newer census reports, and there are likely a large number that are still closeted for one reason or another. And thats without counting oather groups with similar interests, such as transgender people and the like.

294 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:36:42am

re: #245 NelsFree

Please understand that I am not the clothes police, nor advocating un-American values. What I am saying is that I have collected information, some of which I’m sharing, that indicates that Muslims are NOT to assimilate. THAT is un-American. I am in favor of anyone wanting to become American to assimilate. If you wish I shall provide more examples of how assimilating is haram.

I don’t think it is your place to tell Muslims (or anyone else) what they can or cannot do based on your interpretation of their religion. Let them figure it out or fight it out for themselves. There are some Muslims who have made peace with both their beliefs and the founding documents of the USA. I don’t care how many examples you find of whatever might be haraam [not haram] this week.

295 altermite  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:37:12am

re: #238 Lincolntf

OT-

Sonofabitch! Just got a phone message from Bank of Am.
Account is locked because of unusual usage. Wife has been traveling in Europe (which she does every year or two so it’s not that unusual) and apparently it triggered an alarm. I’ve had this happen before when on vacation in the States, but this one totally blows. She’s over there doing traveling research and I have no phone number to reach her for a couple days. I hate the thought that she’s going to get to some train station/hotel and be denied. I sent her an e-mail hoping to catch her before she tries to make a purchase but I’m going to be sweating it out until I hear from her.
PS- I can’t vouch for whatever expenditures she made (even though I told them that I didn’t care and to just let it go because the charges they were questioning were all made exactly where I knew her to be at the time) so I can’t help at all from this end.

I got the same message a few weeks ago, after visitng another state. Thing is, while my bank has an affilaition with BoAm, it is a different bank. Called in, and it turns out that there is a phone-phishing scheme behind the deal- you may get another soon asking you to submit the card# over the phone.

I suggest contacting your wife and asking her if her card works OR contacting the bank and asking them.

296 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:44:24am

re: #295 altermite

Really? That’s a whole different kettle of fish. The number I called was the official BOA number (the 800 number on our statements) but I never considered that it could be back-door fraud.
Thank you for the heads up. (And screw you for the added worry.)

297 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:48:27am

re: #294 wrenchwench

I don’t think it is your place to tell Muslims (or anyone else) what they can or cannot do based on your interpretation of their religion. Let them figure it out or fight it out for themselves. There are some Muslims who have made peace with both their beliefs and the founding documents of the USA. I don’t care how many examples you find of whatever might be haraam [not haram] this week.

Please be carefull how you use those words. If they want to figure it out on their own, in a non-intimidating way, fine, but fighting over religion can be subject to interpretations I’d just as soon not see play out on American streets.

298 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:00:43pm

re: #297 JustABill

Please be carefull how you use those words. If they want to figure it out on their own, in a non-intimidating way, fine, but fighting over religion can be subject to interpretations I’d just as soon not see play out on American streets.

Yes, I can see your point. I’d prefer indoor, verbal battles, if they can’t just agree on everything. And some will sort themselves to various mosques according to what is being taught there. I’m certainly not calling for anything physical in the streets.

299 sffilk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:24:36pm

Good. Keep it up!

300 sffilk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:31:02pm

re: #76 scottishbuzzsaw

If you’d accept a virtual hug and positive vibes, consider them sent.

301 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:12:40pm

re: #101 NelsFree

The Somali community must do more than a single protest. They must assimilate into America. This includes things like: adopt American attire, American surnames, Capitalist business practises, American customs.

Funny. I was born a US citizen, so I can’t know for sure, but I always thought that a big motivation for people to immigrate to the US was because it’s a place where you are free to dress the way you like, run your business however you damn well please, observe whatever customs you hold dear, and as long as you follow the law (all in all, fairly easy to do compared to a lot of places people leave to come here), you have the same rights and liberty as everybody else, and it makes bugger-all difference what your name is.

302 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:04:44pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

And here we see a community showing the hard common sense to realize that the people telling them not to cooperate with the police maybe don’t have their best interests at heart.

Go, go, go!

SF Zionist -

Perhaps the Somalis realize what the “A” Word means in Arabic - AND - that they are being treated as such by the powers that be at CAIR. That is all.

-S-

303 LieSeeker  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:24:06pm

So while CAIR in Washington claims that its relationship with the FBI is OK, CAIR in Minnesota’s relationship is to interfere.

304 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:20:53am

This is good news.

305 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:25:24am

re: negativ

Exactly. Immigrants should not be compelled to abandon their cultural traditions and beliefs just because they choose to live in the US. Adherence to the law is a must, of course. My father’s side of the family is all Italian. They kept their own surnames, spoke Italian, ate as they pleased and worshiped as they pleased. They also learned English, paid taxes and even served in the US military. What lizard NelsFree suggests simply isn’t rational.

306 DaddyRabbit  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:44:05pm

CAIR is trying to stir up trouble in Texas ,too:

[Link: www.gilmermirror.com…]


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