Pat Buchanan and the American Friends of the BNP

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Following the news that alleged Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn had attended meetings of the “American Friends of the British National Party,” Harry’s Place did some digging and discovered the archived copy of the AFBNP website.

It’s as bad as you could imagine, with links to some of the worst white supremacist sites on the web: Stormfront, the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Institute for Historical Review (a Holocaust denial outfit), American Renaissance, and of course, David Duke.

Even more interesting, the American Friends of the British National Party also published a magazine called “Heritage and Destiny,” and the January/February 2001 edition is archived (PDF).

Featuring this photograph on page 3:

UPDATE at 6/12/09 1:21:04 pm:

Some interesting background information on this alliance: Hands Across the Water:

Spearheaded by the AFBNP, white nationalists around the country pursued a loosely coordinated plan to nominate Buchanan and turn his campaign towards explicit racial nationalism.

“Whatever Buchanan may or may not say to the liberal media, we all know that deep down he is a genuine Nationalist,” wrote Mark Cotterill in the Winter/Spring 2000 issue of Heritage and Destiny. “For the first time in many years we have the opportunity to see a Nationalist party take off in America. Let’s not miss that opportunity!”

AFBNP members had attended at least two Buchanan fundraising events, the first as early as December 1999. Reform Party leaders from Florida and Virginia spoke at AFBNP meetings in February and March. Mark Cotterill and several other racists volunteered at the Virginia Reform Party offices.

Also involved in the Buchanan campaign were the racist, yet pseudo-mainstream Council of Conservative Citizens and the explicitly revolutionary neo-Nazi National Alliance. An open connection between these groups would have been highly unlikely but for their common ties to Mark Cotterill and the AFBNP.

Overall, white racists were deeply involved in the Reform Party in California, Florida, Illinois, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia.

Yet an explicitly racist Reform Party was not to be. Buchanan’s campaign threw out Cotterill and other racist volunteers after their presence was exposed by the Center for New Community and other groups.

Adding insult to injury, as the racists perceived it, Buchanan nominated a black woman, Ezola Foster, to be his running mate. Cotterill felt nothing but scorn for the woman he called “the Negress.”

“Buchanan is now part of the problem, and not part of the solution,” Cotterill wrote in the next issue of Heritage and Destiny. “The whole notion of trying to infiltrate someone else’s movement and hijack it was a bad idea, as the Buchanan/Reform Party case proved.

”Instead, what Middle America needs is a vehicle openly dedicated to White survival and White interests through legal political struggle, which is to say, what is needed is an American version of the British National Party.”

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1 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:19:12pm

Turds of a feather.

2 MJ  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:19:25pm

Anyone want to claim that Pat Buchanan is a Left-Wing antisemite?
Jonah?

3 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:19:44pm

Ich bin ein BUSTED.

4 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:19:54pm

What a cesspool, needs to be drained.

5 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:20:37pm

Pat Buchanan and the American Friends of the BNP and all of YOU !

6 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:20:39pm

re: #2 MJ

Anyone want to claim that Pat Buchanan is a Left-Wing antisemite?
Jonah?

Don't taunt them, they'll actually do it.

7 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:21:06pm

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

What a cesspool, needs to be drained.


Not sure we have a sump pump big enough...

8 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:23:17pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Don't taunt them, they'll actually do it.

Hey, Pat Buchannan - your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.

9 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:23:26pm

The editorial is critical of Buchanan

10 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:23:48pm

He fits right in on MSNBC

11 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:24:25pm

re: #2 MJ

Anyone want to claim that Pat Buchanan is a Left-Wing antisemite?
Jonah?

Nope, just an antisemite.

12 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:24:32pm

pat buchanan- he's the center of the wheel where all the anti-Semitic spokes meet.

13 Baier  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:25:16pm

Speaking of the UK, it's angry at the US for sending terrorist to Bermuda.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Taken by surprise by news of the Uighurs arrival, Britain's foreign secretary, David Miliband, is understood to have had an uneasy telephone conversation with the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, about why London was not told. Clinton reportedly said the US had assumed that Bermuda had agreed the move with Britain before agreeing to host the Uighurs.

14 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:25:23pm

re: #8 Kosh's Shadow

Hey, Pat Buchannan - your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.

I never really got that line, are they trying to imply the father is/was a drunk?

15 ointmentfly  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:25:31pm

Obama spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright and we continue to try and cleanse the Buchanan stain...

16 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:26:30pm

re: #15 ointmentfly

It's a stain worth removing.

17 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:26:36pm

Opps...looks like Harry's Place hit pay dirt with his digging.

Pat Buchanan, one of Kilgore's favorite people.
/

Any pics of John Fucking Kerry?

18 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:27:20pm

re: #8 Kosh's Shadow

Hey, Pat Buchannan - your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.

Son of a motherless goat!

19 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:27:29pm

re: #17 jorline

Opps...looks like Harry's Place hit pay dirt with his digging.

Pat Buchanan, one of Kilgore's favorite people.
/

Any pics of John Fucking Kerry?

Sorry Killgore...forgot to get that double L in the Kill...lol

20 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:27:34pm

The guy on the left looks like someone just correctly pegged him as a lover of male sheep and he's trying to figure out how to deny it without pissing off his favorite ram.

21 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:28:15pm

Not suprising one bit.

22 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:28:20pm

The photo is actually complimentary to Buchanan.
He's on Cotterill's left.

/don't grasp tight, that straw is damned tiny !

23 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:28:26pm

re: #17 jorline

Opps...looks like Harry's Place hit pay dirt with his digging.

Pat Buchanan, one of Kilgore's favorite people.
/

Any pics of John Fucking Kerry?

Kerry who? :)

24 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:28:27pm

re: #19 jorline

That's ok, I forgive you.

25 theheat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:28:29pm

Photos and stories you won't see on Fox News.

26 J.S.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:29:27pm

OT

CNN notes that Iranian "news" is now reporting that Ahmadinejad has won the election...

27 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #15 ointmentfly

Obama spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright and we continue to try and cleanse the Buchanan stain...

I'm not grasping what you mean by that.

28 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:29:59pm

I love the caption on the picture. Wow, Buchanan pulled a whopping 0.4 percent of the vote.

"Mr. Buchanan was unavailable for comment, an aide reported, as he was at the library looking up the definition of 'statistical insignificance'."

May he stay that way.

29 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:30:12pm

re: #18 Mad Al-Jaffee

Son of a motherless goat!

and a "forking bestidge"

30 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:30:16pm

Kind of puts the final nail in the coffin of "von brunn was a leftist" arguments.

31 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:30:46pm

re: #25 theheat

Actually, Buchanan is employed by MSNBC.
They are actively supporting a known racist and misanthrope (maybe to make a matching set with Chrissy Tingles?).

32 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:30:53pm

re: #26 J.S.

OT

CNN notes that Iranian "news" is now reporting that Ahmadinejad has won the election...

I'd hate to be the guy who got the first report wrong.

33 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:31:58pm
The path of the fringe right wing is a dangerous and risky one. The Buchanan disaster in the last election illustrates this well. Pat Buchanan, whom many nationalists supported (for a time) during the election, turned out to be little more than an extreme reactionary. Instead of creating a genuinely progressive pro-White movement, Buchanan used his position within the Reform Party to give national attention to his own particular brand of reactionary politics, which got him 0.4% of the vote (slightly ahead of the Libertarians).

Buchanan did have some forward-looking ideas, as evidenced by the frothing reactions of mainstream conservatives. Nevertheless, Buchanan's potential was wasted as he chose to put a primacy on dogma. In choosing a Black running-mate and conducting a blood-purge of "racists," Buchanan showed the world that he was campaigning in the name of an abstract idea - patriotism - and little else. As such, Buchanan, as those like him, will always be labelled as "reactionaries" who stand opposed to "social progress." Without forward looking vision and real solutions to social problems, the hard-right will remain an impotent force. COnservative correctness has taken hold of the right, just as political correctness has taken hold of the left, leaving the path to power open to radical Nationalists who have not been made irrelevant by an allegiance to idealogy.

34 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:32:19pm

re: #27 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm not grasping what you mean by that.

The Right wing gets painted with the Pat Buchanan brush for years even though we ignore him and go against him at every turn. Meanwhile Obama can sit in Church listening to 20 years and it doesn't mean a thing supposedly

35 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:32:28pm

At the bottom of page 7 there a pic with one of those "meaningless symbols" that Dewinter has on his bookshelf. Looks like a window covering on the left.

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:32:44pm

re: #26 J.S.

OT

CNN notes that Iranian "news" is now reporting that Ahmadinejad has won the election...

The Mullahs have voted.

37 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:33:30pm

re: #31 Lincolntf

Actually, Buchanan is employed by MSNBC.
They are actively supporting a known racist and misanthrope misogynist.

That's better.

38 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:33:39pm

re: #33 Ben Hur

From your quote:


Instead of creating a genuinely progressive pro-White movement

I think I have to sit down.

39 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:34:16pm

re: #37 Cato the Elder

I don't think he has a beef with women, he has a beef with humanity as a whole.

40 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:34:17pm

Back in the 80s, I watched Buchanan on "Crossfire" and actually used to like him. Over the years, he evolved into spouting that "peasants with pitchforks" shtick and his rhetoric became scarier over time. Now he sounds like a madman (didn't he have a brain tumor at some point? I seem to remember that).

He doesn't love America, and those who buy into his bullshit don't love America. They're just reactionary opportunists, using a problem to justify their perverse agenda - right out of the classic Nazi playbook.

41 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:34:53pm

re: #14 JustABill

I never really got that line, are they trying to imply the father is/was a drunk?

Yes, on elderberry wine.
Of course, some of their other taunts near the end of the movie were worse, like "empty headed animal food trough wiper" and "wiper of other people's bottoms".

42 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:34:57pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

At the bottom of page 7 there a pic with one of those "meaningless symbols" that Dewinter has on his bookshelf. Looks like a window covering on the left.

Page 16 has a cartoon of Charles Darwin, but I'm not sure why.

43 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:35:01pm

Ahmadinejad & his opponent both claiming victory in the Iranian election.

44 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:35:26pm

re: #30 Thanos

Kind of puts the final nail in the coffin of "von brunn was a leftist" arguments.

It should, but a certain place that shall remain nameless is still pitching it.

45 J.S.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:35:34pm

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

(i've read that if none of the candidates achieves 50 percent of the vote, then there could be a run-off election June 19..)

46 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:35:45pm

re: #38 Occasional Reader

From your quote:


I think I have to sit down.

you're standing?

47 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:35:48pm

re: #43 opnion

Who said that Al Gore never had any international influence?

48 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:36:05pm

re: #43 opnion

Ahmadinejad & his opponent both claiming victory in the Iranian election.

Let the games begin.

49 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:36:06pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

heh ... yeah, I know
Maybe I should add verbal emphasis to my original:

I'm not grasping what you mean by that.

/fishing expedition, regarding mindset

50 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:36:24pm

re: #42 Sharmuta

Page 16 has a cartoon of Charles Darwin, but I'm not sure why.

Yeah, I was just trying to figure out that one.

51 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:36:51pm
52 ointmentfly  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:37:21pm

re: #27 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm not grasping what you mean by that.

Point was that conservatism is still defined by the likes of Buchanan and his shady dealings, yet the left ignores any resemblence in Obama / Wright and gets their candidate elected.

53 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:37:35pm

Again, they are CRITICAL of Buchanan because he's not one of them.

How scary do you have to be to make Buchanan be to your left?

54 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:38:11pm

re: #43 opnion

Ahmadinejad & his opponent both claiming victory in the Iranian election.

/do they still hang chads?

55 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:38:26pm

re: #48 Ben Hur

Let the games begin.

Well the votes haven't been counted yet?

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:38:46pm

re: #40 MacDuff

I think he was probably always like this but it used to be harder to check out his past. If he appeared at racist meetings in the 80's nobody would find out about it. If he published a racist article in an obscure nazi magazine there's a good chance nobody but nazis would read it.

57 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:39:03pm

re: #51 J.D.

Great. So one of the fathers of Iranian nuke development takes the helm just as Iran nears completion of their nuclear weapons program.
I'm guessing his goal isn't cheap electricity for the farmers.

58 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:39:44pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

At the bottom of page 7 there a pic with one of those "meaningless symbols" that Dewinter has on his bookshelf. Looks like a window covering on the left.

Sure is -- here's the pic:

Image: 20090612BNPOdinsCross.jpg

59 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:40:01pm

re: #51 J.D.

Challenger Mousavi claims victory in Iran election

how do you spell ACORN in farsi ?

60 cheesehead  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:40:07pm

Even if Buchanan disappeared tomorrow, the stench would linger for decades.

61 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:40:48pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

At the bottom of page 7 there a pic with one of those "meaningless symbols" that Dewinter has on his bookshelf. Looks like a window covering on the left.

What does that symbol mean KT?

62 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:41:01pm

I am not standing up for Pat Buchanan, as a matter of fact, I can't stand the man nor the garbage he spews; however, a picture of someone taken when they're a political candidate really isn't a gotcha moment, IMO.

63 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:41:08pm

re: #57 Lincolntf

Obama thinks North Korea is even worse so let's just go with that.

~LaLa Land

64 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:41:16pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

At the bottom of page 7 there a pic with one of those "meaningless symbols" that Dewinter has on his bookshelf. Looks like a window covering on the left.

Your eyes are better than mine - I was squinting at it when I popped back and saw your comment.

65 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:41:21pm

re: #52 ointmentfly

Point was that conservatism is still defined by the likes of Buchanan and his shady dealings, yet the left ignores any resemblence in Obama / Wright and gets their candidate elected.

Thanks

66 ointmentfly  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:41:57pm

re: #49 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh ... yeah, I know
Maybe I should add verbal emphasis to my original:


/fishing expedition, regarding mindset

Not a Buchanan fan but an advocate of conservatism leaving the political swamp and leeches like Buchanan in it instead of trying to pick them off. The question is how that is done in the face of a huge MSM ready to push us back in.

67 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:41:57pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

What does that symbol mean KT?

Here:

[Link: www.adl.org...]

68 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:42:01pm

re: #43 opnion

Ahmadinejad & his opponent both claiming victory in the Iranian election.

Whatever the result, it's "pretty much as I predicted, except the Silly Party won."

As I recall from that memorable Monty Python sketch, there was an unofficial "Very Silly" candidate in a slab of concrete. That's something that these two "oiks" should have followed.

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:42:01pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

It the white power symbol.

70 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:42:13pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

At the bottom of page 7 there a pic with one of those "meaningless symbols" that Dewinter has on his bookshelf. Looks like a window covering on the left.

Yeah, it appears to be on a flag, along with the Confederate battle flags in the room. The one guy speaking in the photo on page 7 appears to be in KKK dress.

71 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:42:25pm

Tap tap tap.

Hello?

72 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:42:41pm

re: #43 opnion

Ahmadinejad & his opponent both claiming victory in the Iranian election.

THUNDERDOME!

73 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:42:44pm

re: #43 opnion

Ahmadinejad & his opponent both claiming victory in the Iranian election.

The Mahdi should decide. If he doesn't show up, throw Ahmadinehad into the well.

74 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:43:21pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

They still have that labeled as a Celtic cross. I really wish they'd correct that to avoid confusion.

75 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:43:22pm

re: #54 brookly red

/do they still hang chads?

Only if they're gay.

76 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:43:45pm

re: #10 Shug

He fits right in on MSNBC

You wouldn't expect MSNBC to host a rational conservative would you ? It would be bad for their agenda to show anyone on the right that was reasonable.

77 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:43:57pm

The Reform Party will take anybody to make a buck: left, right, center, washed-up 'rasslers...

78 SecondComing  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:44:06pm

re: #58 Charles

Sure is -- here's the pic:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Looks like a confederate flag behind him.

79 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:44:14pm

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, it appears to be on a flag, along with the Confederate battle flags in the room. The one guy speaking in the photo on page 7 appears to be in KKK dress.

I paused on that pic too. It's hard to tell. He might just be a fat guy in a white shirt.

80 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:44:19pm

re: #76 avanti

You wouldn't expect MSNBC to host a rational conservative would you ? It would be bad for their agenda to show anyone on the right that was reasonable.

They are balanced in that their hosts are haters from both sides of the aisle

81 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:45:10pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

It the a white power symbol.

Fixed.

There are a lot of them.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:45:48pm

re: #54 brookly red

/do they still hang chads?

In Iran? Only if Chad is gay. Or was caught in a car with his girlfriend. Or sold an American journalist a bottle of wine. Or...

///

83 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:45:56pm

re: #66 ointmentfly

Not a Buchanan fan but an advocate of conservatism leaving the political swamp and leeches like Buchanan in it instead of trying to pick them off. The question is how that is done in the face of a huge MSM ready to push us back in.

Thanks again, that clarifies the original even more. Honestly ... I was wondering if you were trying to deflect attention from PB. Now I see that is NOT the case.

/it's cool

84 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:46:00pm

In the 30 years that the mullahs have run Iran, not a single leader chosen has been sane or reasonable.
To pretend that the election of this new chump (if he "wins") will augur change is self-deception.
Watch for the Obamites to push the fallacy of "change in Iran" as a benefit of having BO as Pres.

85 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:46:21pm

re: #59 Shug

how do you spell ACORN in farsi ?

بلوط

86 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:46:24pm

re: #67 Sharmuta

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Ouch.That shit is sick. Sorry I didn't know...

87 just another infidel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:46:35pm

At least now I know what really happened to the Reform Party.

88 SecondComing  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:46:59pm

re: #78 SecondComing

Looks like a confederate flag behind him.

oh yeah, clearly is. Just saw the other pics in the pdf.

89 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:47:06pm

re: #51 J.D.

Challenger Mousavi claims victory in Iran election

If this guy is denied it could get really crazy over there, students will not be happy.
My guess is that the winner is whoever tha Mullahs say that he is.

90 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:47:38pm

Why did this man (Brunn) hate? Why do any of these people hate? The reality is that for the vast majority, they are taught to hate as children by their parents and/or their community. It is difficult to develop and sustain this degree of prejudice towards an entire category of humans based on an experience or two as an adult without a background of prejudice.

Which is why it annoys me that there is no discussion whatever of Reverend Wright in connection. I grant that Brunn is a right wing antisemite/ racist, and Wright is a left wing antisemite/racist, but the fact is that Wright is training the next generation of left wing antisemites.

I realize it's expecting too much of the MSM, but I wish that, in addition to justifiably pointing out Brunn's links to right wing organizations spewing hate, someone would make the moral connection to left wingers spewing hate. Their politics are different, but hatred is hatred, and both must be challenged and condemned.

All those behind pulpits in churches, synagogues, mosques and large white buildings on Pennsylvania Ave. should be condemning Reverend Wright just as they condemn the preachers of hate on the right.

91 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:48:03pm

One of the speakers photographed is from the League of the South. That's the hate group Tom Tancredo gave a speech to.

92 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:48:12pm

Don't know if Lizard already found this, but here's a sample of James von Brunn's artwork. Complete with a short autobiography telling you everything you need to know about his life and thought, right down to the typical paranoid-delusional writing style. A skilled psychiatrist could diagnose this man sight unseen.

Last lines:

In small towns across America the blind and cowardly scramble, push and shove getting and spending while their homes are burning and their complexions grow progressively darker.

Von Brunn paints and plots.

Indeed.

93 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:48:54pm

re: #89 opnion

If this guy is denied it could get really crazy over there, students will not be happy.
My guess is that the winner is whoever tha Mullahs say that he is.

The little shit claims victory also and the votes haven't been counted yet

94 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:48:58pm
95 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:49:04pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

I paused on that pic too. It's hard to tell. He might just be a fat guy in a white shirt.

Maybe, but that looked like a robe rather than a shirt. I was looking at how it draped on him. That, and the fact that he had the Confederate battle flags next to him.

96 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:49:25pm

re: #73 Kosh's Shadow

The Mahdi should decide. If he doesn't show up, throw Ahmadinehad into the well.

We will not know the winner until after the Florida recount.
Maybe the original inten of the voters was the Mahdi.

97 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:49:40pm

re: #89 opnion
Probably.
Not that they care... or need to.

...Of course, whoever wins, whether it be in a run-off next week or a majority win today, it won’t change the real power structure in Iran. The twelve pious men who control the Guardian Council have the power to veto any legislation they deem to contradict Islamic principles. The Supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei said this morning: “I recommend them (the people) to just vote based on their own views and decisions,”.

Easy words for a man who knows he will take the reigns no matter what the outcome.


TALA DOWLATSHAHI: ‘Change,’ What Change? — Don’t Believe the Hype About Iran’s Election

98 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:49:49pm

Picasso was a Nazi?

99 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:50:00pm

re: #89 opnion

Sorry, but the myth of the "Westernized student population" has been disproven for at least two generations. They have no guns, no power, no education beyond what they've been fed by the Gov't, and absolutely no alliances outside the country.
Kids with signs aren't gonna fix Iran, no matter how loud they yell. Just gotta face it.

100 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:50:59pm

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

It's appropriate that Buchanan is involved in something called the "Re-form Party."

In HP Lovecraft's "The Call of Chthulhu," the reawakened Chthulhu attacks a vessel stranded on an outcropping of his formerly-sunken city. Unable to outrun him, the skipper turns about and rams the unholy monstrosity, splattering it apart--but as the ship steams away, he sees the uncanny star-spawn re-combining and re-forming into its original shape.

I think it's terrible that you implicitly compare Buchanan to Cthulhu. After all, Great Cthulhu doesn't care what color we are on the outside, as long as on the inside we're red, juicy, and delicious.

101 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:51:15pm

re: #93 Nevergiveup

The little shit claims victory also and the votes haven't been counted yet

Yeah, but the other guy claims victory too.
What are exit polls like over there? A Revolutionary Guard asks "Did you vote the right way?"

102 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:51:30pm

re: #98 Ben Hur

Picasso was a Nazi?

Wasn't he a commie?

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:51:42pm

re: #90 transient

Why did this man (Brunn) hate? Why do any of these people hate? The reality is that for the vast majority, they are taught to hate as children by their parents and/or their community. It is difficult to develop and sustain this degree of prejudice towards an entire category of humans based on an experience or two as an adult without a background of prejudice.

Which is why it annoys me that there is no discussion whatever of Reverend Wright in connection. I grant that Brunn is a right wing antisemite/ racist, and Wright is a left wing antisemite/racist, but the fact is that Wright is training the next generation of left wing antisemites.

I realize it's expecting too much of the MSM, but I wish that, in addition to justifiably pointing out Brunn's links to right wing organizations spewing hate, someone would make the moral connection to left wingers spewing hate. Their politics are different, but hatred is hatred, and both must be challenged and condemned.

All those behind pulpits in churches, synagogues, mosques and large white buildings on Pennsylvania Ave. should be condemning Reverend Wright just as they condemn the preachers of hate on the right.

I hear you, and I am no fan of Jeremiah Wright's, but as far as I know, no member of his church has been inspired to go on a racially motivated shooting spree. That's a pretty important distinction between him, no matter how hateful his rhetoric, and whoever Brunn was listening to.

104 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:51:47pm

re: #101 opnion

Maybe some New Black Panthers?

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:52:55pm

re: #92 Cato the Elder

Don't know if Lizard already found this, but here's a sample of James von Brunn's artwork. Complete with a short autobiography telling you everything you need to know about his life and thought, right down to the typical paranoid-delusional writing style. A skilled psychiatrist could diagnose this man sight unseen.

Last lines:


Indeed.

My complexion is getting darker? AAAHHH!

Wait, that just means the fake tan stuff is working. Sigh.

106 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:53:03pm

re: #99 Lincolntf

Sorry, but the myth of the "Westernized student population" has been disproven for at least two generations. They have no guns, no power, no education beyond what they've been fed by the Gov't, and absolutely no alliances outside the country.
Kids with signs aren't gonna fix Iran, no matter how loud they yell. Just gotta face it.

I agree that the students have no real power, they don't have the guns.
If they demonstrate though , it would embarass the Mullahocracy.

107 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:53:38pm

There's a lot of names in the magazine Charles linked that we should look into. I am curious as to who some of them are, and what their connections are.

108 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:53:48pm
109 TheQuis  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:54:24pm

I posted this at the end of the previous thread but it feels appropo in this one as well.

First off I agree with the first couple of posters who expressed Hate is Hate no matter what side of the Left or Right Spectrum they may belong to.

Lets take a look at Leftism and Rightism as it relates to Jewish people and Israel. Okay in order to create a little clarity I will have to make some statements that we all can understand are OVER GENERALIZATIONS. I do want to say this though, neither side is Anti-Semitic as a whole and the rhetoric on either side at some point has to calm itself down.

A simplistic analogy to the Left/Right Jewish situation is to look at the way it relates to the OLD southern North South feelings towards the American Negro (I'm American Negro, so I'm using the term, deal with it). Historically The North was very much in support of the American Negro as a whole wanting to grant freedom from slavery and rights of equality. Of course the Southern power structure, being the direct beneficiary of slavery, was against if for good economic reasons. But the attitudes of the people were very different on an individual basis than they were to the groups as a whole. In the south where many White individual were greatly socialized with Negros, and in many cases were RAISED by them, they were more sympathetic on a case by case basis. They may not give a damn about the plight of the American Negro, but Black Jim from down the block is alright. The converse being true with the north. In the North, they really wanted to help black people out as a block, but they absolutely didn't want them moving into the neighborhoods.

Politically speaking the Left has been very supportive of Jewish People and their freedom to practice their religion as they see fit. Where as they haven't been as staunchly supportive with regards to the United States protection of the Jewish State of Israel. The Right (NEO CONS, the Peleocons have a whole other view) tends to strongly and forcefully defend the Jewish State of Israel (in some cases because the old axiom, the enemy of my enemy is my friend). But in practice some on the right are a bit more intolerant of Jewish Individuals because of their "Differentness" (religions and customs, some of crazies on both sides still hold the whole Jesus debacle 2000 years ago against them).

If you look at the way election results shake you some of this bears out. President Bush is infinitely more popular in Israel than he is anywhere else on the globe (okay, Many African Nations with his assistance in fighting AIDS would probably rate pretty high up there as well). Bush could have very well run for and won on a landslide a Third Term if Israelis were voting. But Jewish Americans OVERWHELMINGLY vote democratic and support Obama.

Let me state one last time. TONS of OVER GENERALIZATIONS, but hopefully it is illustrative of the point.

110 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:54:53pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

My complexion is getting darker? AAAHHH!

Wait, that just means the fake tan stuff is working. Sigh.

The only good tan is a real tan...

111 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:55:25pm

Madonna Wins Adoption Battle
Highest Court In Malawi Says She Can Adopt 2nd Child From The Southern African Nation; "Father" Says He's "Crying"

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Money talks an international language?

112 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:56:31pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

The only good tan is a real tan...

It's Friday, I could go for a pint of black & tan...

113 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:56:38pm

re: #84 Lincolntf

In the 30 years that the mullahs have run Iran, not a single leader chosen has been sane or reasonable.
To pretend that the election of this new chump (if he "wins") will augur change is self-deception.
Watch for the Obamites to push the fallacy of "change in Iran" as a benefit of having BO as Pres.

o, himself, refers to iran as the "islamic republic of iran."
if he thinks an election changes anything there, he is fool.
the mullahs have no respect for his hopey-changey b.s.
why would they? it is obvious to them he is a buffoon who can be toyed w/.

114 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:56:49pm

re: #101 opnion

Yeah, but the other guy claims victory too.
What are exit polls like over there? A Revolutionary Guard asks "Did you vote the right way?"

69% for dinnerjacket in early results according to Fox.

115 itellu3times  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:57:14pm

re: #31 Lincolntf

Actually, Buchanan is employed by MSNBC.

That makes Pat a leftist, too.
/

116 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:57:19pm

re: #111 Nevergiveup

Madonna Wins Adoption Battle
Highest Court In Malawi Says She Can Adopt 2nd Child From The Southern African Nation; "Father" Says He's "Crying"

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Money talks an international language?

The "Material Girl" takes what she wants...money talks!

117 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:58:19pm

If the election in Iran is for "Supreme Leader," shouldn't Diana Ross be a candidate?

118 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:58:33pm

re: #111 Nevergiveup

Wealthy white people purchasing young Africans has a long history. I hope Madonna and her fans are proud that she's keeping up the tradition.

119 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:58:38pm

re: #112 brookly red

It's Friday, I could go for a pint of black & tan...

oh, that would taste good right now.

120 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:58:48pm

re: #2 MJ

Anyone want to claim that Pat Buchanan is a Left-Wing antisemite?
Jonah?

now THAT is what I'm talking about

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:58:50pm

re: #111 Nevergiveup

Madonna Wins Adoption Battle
Highest Court In Malawi Says She Can Adopt 2nd Child From The Southern African Nation; "Father" Says He's "Crying"

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Money talks an international language?

OK, I'll say it. This woman's got enough money to cut through the red tape, so what the hell is stopping her from adopting a baby or small child at home? This is nuts.

Rant over.

122 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:59:02pm

re: #119 nyc redneck

I'm definitely going to happy hour right after work.

123 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:59:37pm

re: #117 Mad Al-Jaffee

If the election in Iran is for "Supreme Leader," shouldn't Diana Ross be a candidate?

Actually the Supreme Leader isn't elected.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:59:38pm

re: #118 Lincolntf

Wealthy white people purchasing young Africans has a long history. I hope Madonna and her fans are proud that she's keeping up the tradition.

Jesus, that puts it in historical perspective don't it? Dude, you're vicious. And right...

125 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 12:59:53pm
126 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:00:03pm

re: #98 Ben Hur

Picasso was a Nazi?

I know that he was a cubist at one point in his life :)

127 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:00:26pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'll say it. This woman's got enough money to cut through the red tape, so what the hell is stopping her from adopting a baby or small child at home? This is nuts.

Brown babies are a more hip accessory.

There was a really funny SNL bit (yes, they do still exist) this season with Madonna and Angelina Jolie one upping each other about getting more babies.

128 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:00:32pm

re: #115 itellu3times

That makes Pat a leftist, too.
/

He can sit and spin, for all of me.

129 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:01:39pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'll say it. This woman's got enough money to cut through the red tape, so what the hell is stopping her from adopting a baby or small child at home? This is nuts.

Rant over.

The home inspection? The application process?

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:02:10pm

re: #125 buzzsawmonkey

It's exotic. She's picking up a child the way she would a lemur, capybara or platypus.

I know I've posted this before, but I saw a cartoon not too long ago where an affluent-looking white woman is holding a black infant, looking pleased with herself. One of her friends is muttering to another, behind her hand, "She says he's African, but I think he's really just African-American."

Yikes.

131 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:02:14pm

re: #53 Ben Hur

Again, they are CRITICAL of Buchanan because he's not one of them.

How scary do you have to be to make Buchanan be to your left?

Damn scary.

From the AFBNP site, Cotterill says:

I always knew that Pat Buchanan was no racialist. However, I saw him as a man who would not seek to alienate one of his core constituencies - White people. He opposed affirmative action, third-world immigration and Israel's "amen corner." Mr. Buchanan stood for national sovereignty and against globalism. I felt that until America could find its own Jorg Haider or Jean-Marie Le Pen, Buchanan would have to do. Pat stands for a good many issues that we would support. However the bottom line is White survival, which he has never supported. I think America already has its own Haider/LePen type leader. His name is David Duke. However Duke is not currently organized enough to take advantage of the gap here. If he does make a serious move to fill this gap, he will have a ready-made army of thousands.

I feel ill. The rest is here:

[Link: web.archive.org...]

132 Dave the.....  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:02:33pm

#118 Linc

Wealthy white people purchasing young Africans has a long history. I hope Madonna and her fans are proud that she's keeping up the tradition.

The new prime-time cartoon...the one where they poke fun of the liberal family. One of the gags is that the couple wanted to adapt an African baby...thinking that would be a cool thing in liberal circles. But they got a pudgy white kid from South Africa.

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:02:41pm

re: #127 Mad Al-Jaffee

Brown babies are a more hip accessory.

There was a really funny SNL bit (yes, they do still exist) this season with Madonna and Angelina Jolie one upping each other about getting more babies.

Brown babies are available locally! We grow 'em right here in the U.S.!

134 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:03:18pm

re: #125 buzzsawmonkey

It's exotic. She's picking up a child the way she would a lemur, capybara or platypus.

These Hollywood types getting a child as if they are a fashion accessory. FAGH! *SPIT*

135 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:03:53pm

I was permanently banned from the mark levin fan forum for pointing out that Buchanan is a closet fascist

cool, huh!

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:04:00pm

re: #129 Dianna

The home inspection? The application process?

I imagine when you've got that kind of money, it gets a lot easier.

137 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:04:03pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

Brown babies are available locally! We grow 'em right here in the U.S.!

you beat me to it !

138 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:04:32pm

re: #135 ihateronpaul

I was permanently banned from the mark levin fan forum for pointing out that Buchanan is a closet fascist

cool, huh!


He's in the closet ?

139 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:04:43pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

Brown babies are available locally! We grow 'em right here in the U.S.!

Are they organic?

/

140 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:04:48pm

re: #122 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm definitely going to happy hour right after work.

Me too! To my favorite watering hole here in the Texas Hill Country, the Cowboy. It's my kind of place.

One evening a couple came in and sat at the bar. You could tell they "weren't from around here" and made a big deal about how everything was better where they'd come from.

An old, real-life, cowboy pulled out a cigarette and put it in his mouth. The lady, who was sitting next to him actually said, "Sir, if you light that thing I'll be forced to leave!"

My old pal pulled out his lighter, lit the smoke, took a big drag and said,

"Bye now."

141 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:04:51pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

Brown babies are available locally! We grow 'em right here in the U.S.!

I meant foreign brown babies.

142 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:05:04pm

Grab your ankles folks.

House Health-Care Bill to Include $600 Billion in Tax Increases

June 12 (Bloomberg)
Health-care overhaul legislation being drafted by House Democrats will include $600 billion in tax increases and $400 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel said.

Democrats will work on the bill’s details next week as they struggle through “what kind of heartburn” it will cause to agree on how to pay for revamping the health-care system, Rangel, a New York Democrat, said today. He also said the measure’s cost will reach beyond the $634 billion President Barack Obama proposed in his budget request to Congress as a down payment for the policy changes.

Asked whether the cost of a health-care overhaul would be more than $1 trillion, Rangel said, “the answer is yes.”

They haven't indicted Charlie yet?

143 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:05:09pm
144 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:05:18pm

there is something just not right abt. the way celebrities "collect" children from around the world. it's a fad. it does not seem heartfelt at all. it is like they are collecting exotic pets. especially madonna. she has taken 2 kids who actually had family.

145 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:05:27pm

re: #138 Shug

He's in the closet ?

well he must be if Sean Hannity hasn't found out, that guy is a genius!

146 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:05:32pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

Brown babies are available locally! We grow 'em right here in the U.S.!

But they aren't "fashionable".

*SPIT*

147 MacDuff  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:05:57pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

Brown babies are available locally! We grow 'em right here in the U.S.!

These celebrites are not particularly bright. They probably thought they were getting Bush Babies.

148 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:05:58pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

I imagine when you've got that kind of money, it gets a lot easier.

Maybe. I don't really know.

149 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:06:28pm
150 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:06:31pm

re: #140 subsailor68

My local brewpub recently introduced a new brew, something you rarely see in brewpubs, a German style pilsener. It tastes a little like Pilsener Urquell, and it's $3.50 a pint during happy hour.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:06:56pm

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are they organic?

/

Depends. A lot of the moms try to stick to a vegetarian diet, but cravings have been known to drive them to McDonalds.

152 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:06:59pm

Iran's official news outlet reports Ahmadinejad wins, but his rival claims victory. Yeah, we know how this is going to turn out.

The mullahs win again.

153 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:07:41pm

Dow finally erases the years losses, closed up from Jan 1 at 8799 today.

154 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #107 Honorary Yooper

OK, here's a few things:

Mark Cotterill, editor of Heritage and Destiny
He was a part of the National Front in the 70s and 80s, and later joined the BNP. I guess they weren't racist or fascist enough for him because he later joined the White Nationalist Party then formed his own party, the England First Party.

I found this about NO-FEAR from Snopes. Check out their logo on the page. Notice a certain symbol in place of the "O"?

And about the National Alliance (seen on page 6). Apparently they publish a magazine called National Vanguard.

It is indeed a tangled web of racism and fascism.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:08:01pm

re: #141 Mad Al-Jaffee

I meant foreign brown babies.

I got that. And I know it's harder to adopt in the U.S. But Madonna sets fashion, she doesn't follow it. Make an effort, lady!

156 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:08:01pm
157 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:08:09pm

re: #150 Mad Al-Jaffee

My local brewpub recently introduced a new brew, something you rarely see in brewpubs, a German style pilsener. It tastes a little like Pilsener Urquell, and it's $3.50 a pint during happy hour.

That actually made my mouth water. Price isn't bad either. Enjoy!

158 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:08:28pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

I hear you, and I am no fan of Jeremiah Wright's, but as far as I know, no member of his church has been inspired to go on a racially motivated shooting spree. That's a pretty important distinction between him, no matter how hateful his rhetoric, and whoever Brunn was listening to.

I have no specific evidence to suggest that whoever gave Brunn his background of hate (80 some years ago) advocated individual or societal violence-- I did not intend to make that comparison or draw that conclusion.

My point is that it is this background of hate that underpinned everything he became (and for which he bears responsibility).
It is likely that he grew up in a microclimate or community where it was acceptable and normal to hate Jews and blacks, and Wright (and others like him, including some Muslim American clerics) is creating a microcommunity of those who hate Jews and whites. If these people are not openly challenged, then we should not be surprised when the next generation is antisemitic and racist-- or when a small number of that community takes up arms against the people they have been taught to hate.

The MSM is quick to condemn right wing hate groups (rightfully so). They apparently see no danger of violence from left wing haters. If ones goal is to promote tolerance (and liberals often claim this as a goal), the dismissal of left wing intolerance is a serious mistake.

159 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:08:41pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

"How do you like my new infant? It's imported!"


Bleeech.

160 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:08:52pm

An interesting article...

Holocaust shooting signals race turmoil, some say


The movement has broadened beyond neo-Nazis. Advocacy groups for blacks and Hispanics unwittingly provided a blueprint for others to organize and defend the interests of white people.

Louis R. Andrews is chairman of the National Policy Institute, a white advocacy group. He does not advocate violence, but expects to see increased racial animosity that will eventually manifest itself in more physical attacks.

"There's no such thing as post-racial," Andrews said, when asked about the claim that Obama's election moved American race relations to a better place. "There's conflict, conflict, and continued conflict."

Andrews said he voted for Obama because "I want to see the Republican Party destroyed, so it can be reborn as a party representing the interests of white people, and not entrenched corporate elites."

I'm seeing the National Policy Institute mentioned a lot these days...and yes they are involved in the Tea Parties

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:10:27pm

Must be nice to just write off corruption and graft as the cost of doing government, not that I find the 5-10% credible. If it is ever investigated it will be much, much more.

But let's just increase the governmental oversight and regulations businesses have to comply with.

Jun 12, 2009, 2:29 p.m. EST
Fraudsters eye huge stimulus pie, consultant says
Companies will face extra requirements to prevent problems
By Greg Morcroft, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Swindlers, con men, and thieves could siphon off as much as $50 billion of the government's planned stimulus package as the money begins flooding the economy in coming months, according to David Williams, who runs Deloitte Financial Services Advisory and counsels clients on fraud prevention.

Williams predicted that about $500 billion of the total $787 billion stimulus would be channeled into the traditional procurement network for government contracts, while the rest will be spent directly by the government or outside the corporate network.

"The rule of thumb typically is that of the about $500 billion worth of money that's going to run through the procurement process, somewhere between 5% and 10% of that usually finds it way into potential problems," Williams said. "That's sort of the benchmark that I use."

162 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:11:00pm

re: #154 Honorary Yooper


I found this about NO-FEAR from Snopes. Check out their logo on the page. Notice a certain symbol in place of the "O"?

They're into hunting snipes. It represents crosshairs of a scope, no?
(snicker)

163 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:11:16pm

awww my thread on Buchanan has been deleted. It would be a damn shame if a bunch of lizards went to

[Link: marklevinfan.com...]

got accounts, and pointed this out to the "conservative base"

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:11:27pm

re: #144 nyc redneck

there is something just not right abt. the way celebrities "collect" children from around the world. it's a fad. it does not seem heartfelt at all. it is like they are collecting exotic pets. especially madonna. she has taken 2 kids who actually had family.

In contrast, I think of a man I knew through an old job at a synagogue. Single, gay, wanted to raise a child. He refused to go to Russia or China to adopt, since he believed that his responsibility was to help a kid from his own community who needed a family. It took years, but he was totally committed. I will never forget the day he came in with his new son to talk to the rabbi about scheduling a baby naming.

165 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:11:40pm

Surprise in the Iranian Elections [Michael Ledeen]

Everyone thinks he is winning! Mousavi says he's won. Ahmadinejad says he's won. Karrubi says he's a solid second, and will contest the runoff (with Mousavi) next Friday. Rezai says he's won a moral victory.

And the ballot counting has only just begun . . . so here's another way in which Obama has influenced Iran: It's the Chicago school of ballot counting.

166 Buck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:12:03pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'll say it. This woman's got enough money to cut through the red tape, so what the hell is stopping her from adopting a baby or small child at home? This is nuts.

Rant over.

Because the need is greater. She is setting an example. The kids they take from these fascist shit holes had zero future before being brought to the USA.

Say what you want about the politics, or how it looks... that kid is saved, and now will have a life.

167 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:13:55pm

re: #166 Buck

Oh yeah, setting an example that kids are fashion accessories.

/ no, this was not sarcasm.

168 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:14:06pm

re: #163 ihateronpaul

Mark Levin is sort of a dope, I have no doubt his followers are idiots too.

169 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:14:36pm

Any San Francisco lizard up for a glass of wine at a cigar bar this afternoon?

I'm feeling about ready to run away.

170 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:14:59pm
171 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:15:13pm

re: #166 Buck

Because the need is greater. She is setting an example. The kids they take from these fascist shit holes had zero future before being brought to the USA.

Say what you want about the politics, or how it looks... that kid is saved, and now will have a life.

Fair defense, except that if this is the child she's been trying to adopt, the kid actually had family in Malawi who didn't want to give up custody.

And the same could be said for kids from Russian or Chinese orphanages--but that wouldn't be trendy enough for Madonna.

I'm very ambivalent about this kind of globe-trotting adoption.

172 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:15:33pm

re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'll say it. This woman's got enough money to cut through the red tape, so what the hell is stopping her from adopting a baby or small child at home? This is nuts.

Rant over.

This isn't about adopting a baby, its generating the right kind of publicity and showing the world (and herself) what a wonderfully person she is...

173 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:15:42pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Mark Levin is sort of a dope, I have no doubt his followers are idiots too.

Uh, oh, major disturbance in reality. I actually agree with KT.

174 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:15:42pm

re: #166 Buck

Because the need is greater. She is setting an example. The kids they take from these fascist shit holes had zero future before being brought to the USA.

Say what you want about the politics, or how it looks... that kid is saved, and now will have a life.

We have thousands of children who need to be adopted within the US, and some of them need to be adopted out of shitholes as well. Ever been through the West Side of Chicago, Del-Ray in Detroit, South-Central LA, and other such places? This whole going to a foreign country and adopting children smacks of elitism and class status to me.

175 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:15:45pm

22:39 Iran`s state news agency says Ahmadinejad secures victory in vote (Reuters)

176 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:15:53pm

re: #169 Dianna

Any San Francisco lizard up for a glass of wine at a cigar bar this afternoon?

I'm feeling about ready to run away.


I'd love to hop on a jet.
can be there in 6 hours

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:15:58pm

re: #169 Dianna

Any San Francisco lizard up for a glass of wine at a cigar bar this afternoon?

I'm feeling about ready to run away.

I'm nesting, myself, but maybe later in the summer?

178 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:16:07pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Mark Levin is sort of a dope, I have no doubt his followers are idiots too.

They can't ALL be idiots. Besides, I see they have a cat and dog tribute thread on the site ihateronpaul linked to. So there. ;p

179 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:16:51pm

re: #178 Cattt

They can't ALL be idiots. Besides, I see they have a cat and dog tribute thread on the site ihateronpaul linked to. So there. ;p

Mark levin is a big pet guy

180 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:16:54pm

re: #165 J.D.

Excellent snark on Ledeen's part.

181 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:16:55pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Kilgore Tea Parties ,like all movements get some fringe Kooks.
Hamas ran a phone bank for Obama & the American Communist Party endorsed him whether he wanted it or not.
Seriously, I would suggest that the next time they have Tea Parties, you might want to show up & just walk around & observe.

182 yochanan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:16:58pm

RAT PUKEANAN is just the other side of the same coin as REV. WRIGHT.

183 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:03pm

re: #169 Dianna

Any San Francisco lizard up for a glass of wine at a cigar bar this afternoon?

I'm feeling about ready to run away.

I'd go for the cigar and a glass of something nonalcoholic, but unfortunately I am in Baltimore.

184 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:03pm

re: #176 Shug

I'd love to hop on a jet.
can be there in 6 hours

I can be there in 3! Not counting standing in the TSA lines...

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:14pm

re: #172 JustABill

This isn't about adopting a baby, its generating the right kind of publicity and showing the world (and herself) what a wonderfully person she is...

And little girls from China are passe--middle class people adopt little girls from China.

Oh, I'm just being mean, now, but I'm writing an article about Madonna at the moment, and am feeling sort of cranky.

186 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:15pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm nesting, myself, but maybe later in the summer?

Pretty much any Friday.

187 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:33pm

re: #179 Nevergiveup

Mark levin is a big pet guy

You may not guess this about me, but I'm a big cat person. :D

188 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:47pm

re: #184 jcm

I can be there in 3! Not counting standing in the TSA lines...

Is that a cigar, or?

189 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:54pm

re: #180 Dianna

I thought so as well.

190 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:17:56pm

re: #183 Cattt

I'd go for the cigar and a glass of something nonalcoholic, but unfortunately I am in Baltimore.

I got enough air mile to fly us both first class there and back

191 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:07pm

re: #165 J.D.

Surprise in the Iranian Elections [Michael Ledeen]

i guess the mullahs like keeping o in suspense abt. whether his speech in cairo worked to inspire hope&change possibilities in iran .
otherwise they would go ahead and designate a winner.

192 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:08pm

re: #173 FurryOldGuyJeans

Uh, oh, major disturbance in reality. I actually agree with KT.

I don't, you my not agree with Levin but he is no dope.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:15pm

re: #186 Dianna

Pretty much any Friday.

Cool.

194 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:16pm

re: #187 Cattt

You may not guess this about me, but I'm a big cat person. :D

Well I got 3 Siamese

195 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:16pm

re: #122 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is there some kind of Irish big bar day this weekend. I know its not St Pattys day, but I thought I heard somebody wanting to check out Irish Pubs this weekend for some reason...

196 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #176 Shug

I'd love to hop on a jet.
can be there in 6 hours

I'll be home by then!

197 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:29pm

re: #173 FurryOldGuyJeans

Heh, I was expecting to catch a lot of shit over that one.

198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:34pm

re: #187 Cattt

You may not guess this about me, but I'm a big cat person. :D

You?!? NOOO! Never! UMPOSSIBLE!

/ is it sarcasm, or is it memorex?

199 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:18:51pm

re: #183 Cattt

I'd go for the cigar and a glass of something nonalcoholic, but unfortunately I am in Baltimore.

Well, get your butt out here sometime!

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:19:05pm

re: #195 JustABill

Is there some kind of Irish big bar day this weekend. I know its not St Pattys day, but I thought I heard somebody wanting to check out Irish Pubs this weekend for some reason...

Well...uh...not that I know of.

201 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:19:30pm

re: #199 Dianna

Well, get your butt out here sometime!

buttt

202 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:19:40pm

Ever been to Fleur de lys ( I know I am spelling it wrong? )
Just saw their executive Chief win on Top Chief masters.
Looks like a cool guy and a great cook

re: #199 Dianna

Well, get your butt out here sometime!

203 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:11pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Heh, I was expecting to catch a lot of shit over that one.

You still may. ;)

204 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:14pm

re: #194 Nevergiveup

Well I got 3 Siamese

Three! Awesome. I have one of the stubborn devils.

Do yours insist on getting on your shoulder and putting holes in everything you own?

205 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:20pm

Anybody wanna come and burn some cars in Detroit tonight after the Hockey game?

206 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:21pm

re: #181 opnion

I have absolutely no interest in boosting the numbers on the Independence Day Ron Paul rallies. The last thing I want to do on July 4th is spend it with anti-American douchebags.

207 Buck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:21pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

Fair defense, except that if this is the child she's been trying to adopt, the kid actually had family in Malawi who didn't want to give up custody.

And the same could be said for kids from Russian or Chinese orphanages--but that wouldn't be trendy enough for Madonna.

I'm very ambivalent about this kind of globe-trotting adoption.

You can't adopt them all. The example set is to bring children here to have the opportunities.

Didn't want to give up custody... you think she found him in a nice home? Or was it an orphanage?

She spent countless hours, and a huge amount of money. You don't really know her motivation, but I can tell you this was not easy, and she did not quit. Simply buying a new accessory this was NOT.

208 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:28pm

re: #190 Nevergiveup

I got enough air mile to fly us both first class there and back

Well, then, what are you two waiting for? An engraved invitation?

209 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:51pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

And little girls from China are passe--middle class people adopt little girls from China.

Oh, I'm just being mean, now, but I'm writing an article about Madonna at the moment, and am feeling sort of cranky.

Or local kids, who've been in foster care and after several years the state decides the parents are hopeless.

210 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:51pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Mark Levin is sort of a dope, I have no doubt his followers are idiots too.

there is nothing dopey abt. dr. levin.
he is a constitutional genius w/ his latest book 10 wks at # 1 on the nyt best seller list.
that kind of stuff drives libs nuts.
obviously.

211 yochanan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:20:53pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

TWO CUTE chinese girls at my son's shul.

212 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:21:06pm

re: #204 Cattt

Three! Awesome. I have one of the stubborn devils.

Do yours insist on getting on your shoulder and putting holes in everything you own?

One of them loves to eat cashmere

213 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:21:12pm

re: #202 Shug

Ever been to Fleur de lys ( I know I am spelling it wrong? )
Just saw their executive Chief win on Top Chief masters.
Looks like a cool guy and a great cook

I haven't got that kind of money. Maybe next time my boss has some kind of dinner, he'll invite me there.

214 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:21:28pm

re: #90 transient

Why did this man (Brunn) hate? Why do any of these people hate? The reality is that for the vast majority, they are taught to hate as children by their parents and/or their community. It is difficult to develop and sustain this degree of prejudice towards an entire category of humans based on an experience or two as an adult without a background of prejudice.

Actually that's just too simple.

I've personally watched an intelligent, interesting public figure devolve into crude anti-Semitism for no apparent reason other than (I'm speculating here) disappointment at the turn his life had taken.

That man is one of the founding fathers of the blogosphere and the actual coiner of the word "weblog", later to become "blog". His name is Jorn Barger. His blog - not the original one, certainly, but the first to bear the name - was mentioned among other places in The New Yorker in the late 1990s as one of the most interesting places on the web. It was called the "Robot Wisdom Weblog". I've always assumed that Protein Wisdom was a riff on that.

He was a huge fan of James Joyce, and used to produce things like a gigantic page on "Solace: A Textbook of Romantic Psychology", which was the best single collection of literary texts illustrating the various stages of a love affair that I've ever seen anywhere.

In 2000 Barger, whom I was reading almost daily for his unique collection of links to fascinating literary and scientific news from around the internet, started going off the rails. He put up a post asking "Is Judaism simply a religion of lawless racists?" The negative response prompted him to start a discussion (in which he never actually participated) at Greenspun.com (ironically enough) titled "Are Jews incapable of polite discourse?" I participated in that one. Last time I checked it was still up.

After that he basically disappeared up his own fundament. The only remaining trace of robotwisdom.com is a Blogspot site called the "Robot Wisdom auxiliary", where he continues to post links, many of them ranting about Mossad etc. The permanent header is "no promised land, no holy book, no chosen people".

Reading between the lines of what little you find in a Google search, it seems like Barger is one of those extremely smart people who never find a way to exist in the world. At one point he had what looked like the start of a serious career in AI, but left after personal differences with his boss (who judging by his surname could well be Jewish). In recent years he was spotted in San Francisco with a panhandling sign that read "Coined the term 'weblog', never made a dime." (He disputes the accuracy of that account.)

When someone's disappointment tips into rage, what is the first group that comes to mind for fixing blame? It has always been the Jews. Some blame Giant Reptiles, as we know, and of course they're closer to the truth, but the Jews top the list.

I would suggest that sometimes all it takes is a certain predilection for blaming others and a run of bad luck to turn an ordinary person with no anti-Semitic background into a Jew-hater.

Of course, here in America, we've always had the people of African descent as an alternative. Not surprisingly the two hatreds often go hand in hand.

And now we've got Muslims - an especially convenient choice for people like Pam Geller, who considers herself to be God's Joan of Arc for the Jewish people.

The psychology of morbid, deranged hatred is deep and multifarious.

215 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:21:51pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Heh, I was expecting to catch a lot of shit over that one.

Well, offering hyperbole to an LGF thread is like spreading fertilizer on a garden.

216 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:22:18pm

re: #194 Nevergiveup

Well I got 3 Siamese

3? I thought they just came in TWIN packs

217 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #210 nyc redneck

It's on my stack to read as soon as I finish SWAY.

218 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:22:35pm

re: #212 Nevergiveup

One of them loves to eat cashmere

Classy furballs.

219 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:22:42pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

And little girls from China are passe--middle class people adopt little girls from China.

My SIL and her partner adopted two infant girls from China, the first found abandoned under a bridge, the second in marginally better circumstances. They're enjoying their middle-class life!

220 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:22:55pm

re: #204 Cattt

Three! Awesome. I have one of the stubborn devils.

Do yours insist on getting on your shoulder and putting holes in everything you own?

Her Highness did that - once, when I was gone, she turned my Male's shoulder into hamburger.

221 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:22:58pm

re: #195 JustABill

Is there some kind of Irish big bar day this weekend. I know its not St Pattys day, but I thought I heard somebody wanting to check out Irish Pubs this weekend for some reason...

It's Bloomsday, June 13-16.

[Link: www.jamesjoyce.ie...]

One of our fellow lizards is participating and dressing in her fishnets and corset outfit.

222 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:23:11pm

re: #205 Shug

Anybody wanna come and burn some cars in Detroit tonight after the Hockey game?

Sounds like fun, but I have sciatica in my right leg. If I go, I'll be sure to take some Aleve so that I can run away. :D

223 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:23:16pm

re: #216 sattv4u2

3? I thought they just came in TWIN packs

Well it's kinda like buying those orphan beers in that feel out of the six pack?

224 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:23:22pm

re: #166 Buck

Because the need is greater. She is setting an example. The kids they take from these fascist shit holes had zero future before being brought to the USA.

Say what you want about the politics, or how it looks... that kid is saved, and now will have a life.

If I have the money I can take what is yours?

What would you do if they came for your kids? After all, someone can always provide more...if that's what is important to you.

There are plenty of children locally needing quality time and processions.

225 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:23:23pm

Dang you people getting together, I'm stuck on duty on the ship tonight.

226 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:23:25pm

Diana, what's going on with the new law in San Francisco where you can't throw away leftover food or face a 100 dollar fine ?

WTF

I saw that rotting food in a landfill gives off methane gas. So it's better to let it rot in a compost heap.
It must give off the scent of patchouli in the compost heap

227 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:23:26pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Heh, I was expecting to catch a lot of shit over that one.


No Levin is annoying. I made a terrible mistake & read Saving Sprite.
I am a dog lover , but he had the dog for one year & became mental when the dog died.
We lost our dog about a month and a half ago. We had her for twelve years. We still grieve but life goes on.

228 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:24:46pm

re: #227 opnion

So sorry about your friend, opnion.

229 ointmentfly  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:24:50pm

re: #128 Dianna

He can sit and spin, for all of me.


PB is MSNBC's idea of what the right reperesents. That is why they employ him.

230 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:24:52pm

re: #212 Nevergiveup

One of them loves to eat cashmere

Mandy know how to fluff cashmere!

*duck*

231 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:24:55pm

re: #214 Cato the Elder

What a strange and sad tale.

232 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:25:35pm

re: #221 Mad Al-Jaffee

Thanks. Theres a place called Murphy's in Virginia Beach I've been meaning to check out (also one in Alexandria)

233 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:26:03pm

I love messing with the younger people in my office.

Our new guy came up and said "Hey, I went to a party last Saturday night."

I had to interupt him "Didn't get laid and got in a fight?"

"What?"

"Hey, it aint no big thing."

So now the new guy is wondering why my buddy is laughing his ass off.

234 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:26:04pm

re: #205 Shug

Anybody wanna come and burn some cars in Detroit tonight after the Hockey game?

Wrong fans.

235 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:26:35pm

re: #212 Nevergiveup

One of them loves to eat cashmere

That would be no problem. I'm pretty much a cotton and linen person.

My Siamese doesn't eat nonfood. He goes for the usual - expensive cat food, roast chicken, shrimp, and ham (he'd kill for ham - he'd kill me for ham if he were big enough). He also likes pepperoni.

The domestic shorthair likes cat food.

236 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:26:37pm

re: #232 JustABill

There's two Irish pubs very close to my gym, but I'm skipping the gym tomorrow.

237 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:26:39pm

re: #226 Shug

Diana, what's going on with the new law in San Francisco where you can't throw away leftover food or face a 100 dollar fine ?

WTF

I saw that rotting food in a landfill gives off methane gas. So it's better to let it rot in a compost heap.
It must give off the scent of patchouli in the compost heap

We were wondering what you do with dog poop. And what you do with the paper towels you cleaned it up with. And can you leave it out in a plastic bag or does it have to be stinking up the place?

Somehow, I doubt we'll be moving to San Francisco.

238 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:27:14pm

re: #205 Shug

Anybody wanna come and burn some cars in Detroit tonight after the Hockey game?

Inshallah! I will be there!

/

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:27:34pm

re: #211 yochanan

TWO CUTE chinese girls at my son's shul.

The younger generation of the Bay Area Jewish community is getting a distinctly more East Asian look. I approve.

240 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:27:45pm

re: #235 Cattt

That would be no problem. I'm pretty much a cotton and linen person.

My Siamese doesn't eat nonfood. He goes for the usual - expensive cat food, roast chicken, shrimp, and ham (he'd kill for ham - he'd kill me for ham if he were big enough). He also likes pepperoni.

The domestic shorthair likes cat food.

Mine like lox alot

241 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:28:11pm

re: #195 JustABill

Is there some kind of Irish big bar day this weekend. I know its not St Pattys day, but I thought I heard somebody wanting to check out Irish Pubs this weekend for some reason...

Bloomsday. Irish Rose mentioned it the other day.

242 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:28:28pm

re: #236 Mad Al-Jaffee

There's two Irish pubs very close to my gym, but I'm skipping the gym tomorrow.

seems there is always a pub by the gym... what's up with that?

243 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:29:05pm

re: #226 Shug

Diana, what's going on with the new law in San Francisco where you can't throw away leftover food or face a 100 dollar fine ?

WTF

I saw that rotting food in a landfill gives off methane gas. So it's better to let it rot in a compost heap.
It must give off the scent of patchouli in the compost heap

It's another of those stupid pieces of posturing done by the Board of Supervisors and the ineffectual dolt bearing the title of Mayor. It will cost a fortune and do bugger all. But it makes Gavin feel like he's on the cutting edge of environmentalism, and that's all that matters.

I'm so glad I don't live here.

BTW, I carefully make sure to dump any organic bits I can find into my regular waste-can under my desk.

244 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:29:20pm
245 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:29:21pm

Well the MSM Obamadulation is at it again, gushing over the president's fantastic athletic form on the golf course... oh, you missed it?

Hah! That's because the One looks like a total geek with a pathetic golf swing. Best part? Easily at 0:35 seconds when his blackberry flies off his belt clip. Enjoy!

246 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:29:25pm

Well all, must go. I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend, but the Cowboy is calling and the beer mugs are frosty.

Hmm, that sounds like a verse from Summertime. Oh well!

Dianna, hope you have a great time at the cigar bar!

247 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:29:32pm

Has anyone read Ulysses? Is one of those books I think I should read, but never seem to get around to. Is it worth the time it would take to read?

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:29:44pm

re: #207 Buck

You can't adopt them all. The example set is to bring children here to have the opportunities.

Didn't want to give up custody... you think she found him in a nice home? Or was it an orphanage?

She spent countless hours, and a huge amount of money. You don't really know her motivation, but I can tell you this was not easy, and she did not quit. Simply buying a new accessory this was NOT.

Perhaps not, but I'm also not comfortable taking a child away from family simply because they can't provide the comfort someone else can. I don't know her motivation, of course, and I should keep that in mind.

249 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:29:47pm

re: #242 brookly red

You need carbs after a workout. Beer provides them.

My gym is in Chinatown (or as they call it here, Chinablock) in DC, and there's quite a few bars in the neighborhood.

250 J.D.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:29:59pm

It doesn't work, Kenneth.

251 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:30:01pm

re: #243 Dianna

It's another of those stupid pieces of posturing done by the Board of Supervisors and the ineffectual dolt bearing the title of Mayor. It will cost a fortune and do bugger all. But it makes Gavin feel like he's on the cutting edge of environmentalism, and that's all that matters.

I'm so glad I don't live here.

BTW, I carefully make sure to dump any organic bits I can find into my regular waste-can under my desk.

I'm thinking that this law is going to be great for plumbers as people try to stuff more and more shit down their garbage disposal

at least until the nanny state outlaws those

252 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:30:02pm

re: #241 doppelganglander

Bloomsday. Irish Rose mentioned it the other day.

Indeed.

I'm going to break out my facsimile of the original Ulysses edition and wallow once again in Joyce's genius.

253 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:30:17pm

Obama taps more big donors for ambassadorships
Jun 12, 12:16 AM (ET)
By MATTHEW LEE

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama on Thursday tapped four big Democratic Party donors for plum ambassadorships in Europe and Latin America while naming six career diplomats to posts in Africa, the Mideast and the Pacific.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:30:26pm

re: #212 Nevergiveup

One of them loves to eat cashmere

Oy. Expensive taste.

255 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:30:35pm
256 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:30:40pm

re: #220 Dianna

Her Highness did that - once, when I was gone, she turned my Male's shoulder into hamburger.

I often think about Honor Harrington and her tree cat.

257 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:30:49pm

re: #247 JustABill

Only if you're drunk.

258 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:31:32pm
259 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:31:46pm

re: #249 Mad Al-Jaffee

You need carbs after a workout. Beer provides them.

My gym is in Chinatown (or as they call it here, Chinablock) in DC, and there's quite a few bars in the neighborhood.

beerafter a work out? uh-oh, I think I need a word with my trainer.

260 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:31:54pm

re: #247 JustABill

I've read it, and no.

261 Buck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:32:14pm

re: #224 jorline

If I have the money I can take what is yours?

What would you do if they came for your kids? After all, someone can always provide more...if that's what is important to you.

There are plenty of children locally needing quality time and processions.

DID YOU READ THE PART ABOUT THIS KID BEING IN AN ORPHANAGE?

Do you think Madonna was just strolling down the street, and picked a kid at random?

My kids are not in an orphanage...but my father was. His mother died, and his father just abandoned him (and his two bothers and a sister) at the local orphanage. You want to side with the guy who left his child in an Orphanage?

Well, in this case a Judge listened to both sides, and chose to do what is best for the child.

262 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:32:46pm

re: #256 Cattt

I often think about Honor Harrington and her tree cat.

I remember when I first saw that, I wondered why they were saluting British style.

263 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:33:02pm

In How Can You Be In Two Places When You're Not Anywhere At All, Firesign Theatre takes Molly Bloom's soliloquy from Ulysses, and intersperses some of their own words, and makes a completely strange, but good ending to that piece.

264 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:33:07pm

re: #253 FurryOldGuyJeans

That tradition goes back at least a hundred years, probably much longer. I surprised anybody expected it to stop under Obama.

265 Wide Right  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:33:18pm

re: #205 Shug

Gonna be a great game. Detroit fans will be rioting, but for all the wrong reasons. Sid The Kid gets his first Stanley Cup tonight ! Marian Hossa gets burned.
5-2 Penguins.

266 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:33:30pm

re: #228 J.D.

So sorry about your friend, opnion.

Thank you for that & she was indeed a friend, a really good friend.

267 Buck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:33:55pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhaps not, but I'm also not comfortable taking a child away from family simply because they can't provide the comfort someone else can. I don't know her motivation, of course, and I should keep that in mind.

The child WAS NOT in a family. He was in an Orphanage. The father only appeared AFTER Madonna started the adoption process.

268 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:34:16pm

re: #161 FurryOldGuyJeans

Must be nice to just write off corruption and graft as the cost of doing government, not that I find the 5-10% credible. If it is ever investigated it will be much, much more.

But let's just increase the governmental oversight and regulations businesses have to comply with.

Jun 12, 2009, 2:29 p.m. EST
Fraudsters eye huge stimulus pie, consultant says
Companies will face extra requirements to prevent problems
By Greg Morcroft, MarketWatch

Gotta send some stimulus into the black market too!

269 Summer Seale  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:34:42pm

I wonder why Pat Buchanan is still invited to mass media news shows. Perhaps if David Duke went around saying he's not a white supremacist, he might be invited as well?

One does have to wonder what it takes for people like Pat Buchanan to suffer media censure at this point.

270 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:35:05pm

re: #265 Wide Right

Gonna be a great game. Detroit fans will be rioting, but for all the wrong reasons. Sid The Kid gets his first Stanley Cup tonight ! Marian Hossa gets burned.
5-2 Penguins.


yesterday I would have said BULLSHIT but this morning I was watching Mike and Mike on ESPNII and they just happened to point out that in professional sports championship finals the home team has won the last 17 times.

the jinx is on !

271 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:35:07pm

re: #195 JustABill

Is there some kind of Irish big bar day this weekend. I know its not St Pattys day, but I thought I heard somebody wanting to check out Irish Pubs this weekend for some reason...

Just for the record: the March holiday is St. Paddy's, not "Patty's". Patty is a girl's name.

Even Irish people do that, and it drives me nuts.

272 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:35:29pm

I meant in game 7 of the finals

273 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:35:31pm

re: #267 Buck

The child WAS NOT in a family. He was in an Orphanage. The father only appeared AFTER Madonna started the adoption process.

In other words, he saw an extortion opportunity. I doubt he really wanted the kid.

274 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:35:34pm

re: #268 Hengineer

Gotta send some stimulus into the black market too!

raising taxes does that just fine...

275 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:35:46pm

re: #244 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know the song, but it's funny even without knowing.

I think it is "Kiss Me Deadly" by Lita Ford.

276 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:35:59pm

Dog alerts local family to fire, dies in blaze
By Nancy Bowman
Staff Writer Updated 2:26 PM Friday, June 12, 2009

PIQUA — Glenda Moss saved Jeter after an early life of abuse.

Jeter paid her back Thursday, June 11.

The five-year-old Great Pyrenees is credited with saving the lives of Moss and her son David, 19, by alerting them to an early morning fire at their Harney Street home in Piqua.

Smelling smoke and hearing the crackle of fire, mother and son fled the house around 6 a.m. with Jeter following. For an unknown reason, the 120-pound dog went back into the house and perished.

277 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:36:28pm

re: #275 Kosh's Shadow

I think it is "Kiss Me Deadly" by Lita Ford.

Would have gotten the video up by now, but Youtube is being a bitch.

278 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:36:35pm

re: #267 Buck

The child WAS NOT in a family. He was in an Orphanage. The father only appeared AFTER Madonna started the adoption process.

Hey, a famous person I can mooch off of!

279 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:37:02pm

re: #252 Cato the Elder

Indeed.

I'm going to break out my facsimile of the original Ulysses edition and wallow once again in Joyce's genius.

I was hoping to find a more alcohol-oriented way of celebrating, but there seems to be nothing in my area this year. I guess I'll read instead.

280 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:37:04pm

re: #268 Hengineer

Gotta send some stimulus into the black market too!

I remember the day when there would have been major outcries from both parties over $50b just being pissed away.

281 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:37:28pm

re: #275 Kosh's Shadow

I think it is "Kiss Me Deadly" by Lita Ford.

Yep, I've only heard the version done by Reel Big Fish, good song.

282 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:37:43pm

re: #271 Cato the Elder

Just for the record: the March holiday is St. Paddy's, not "Patty's". Patty is a girl's name. My wedding anniversary.

Even Irish people do that, and it drives me nuts.

Get with the program. /

283 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:38:02pm

re: #267 Buck

The child WAS NOT in a family. He was in an Orphanage. The father only appeared AFTER Madonna started the adoption process.

As I understand it, the father didn't even know the child existed, as the mother's family didn't tell him. So his interest may be sincere.

284 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:38:03pm

re: #280 FurryOldGuyJeans

I remember the day when there would have been major outcries from both parties over $50b just being pissed away.

how about back when that figure was $50m?

285 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:38:03pm

re: #271 Cato the Elder

Just for the record: the March holiday is St. Paddy's, not "Patty's". Patty is a girl's name.

Even Irish people do that, and it drives me nuts.

How do they get Paddy from Patrick?

286 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:38:30pm

re: #285 eschew_obfuscation

How do they get Paddy from Patrick?

alcohol

287 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:38:42pm

re: #214 Cato the Elder


I've personally watched an intelligent, interesting public figure devolve into crude anti-Semitism for no apparent reason other than (I'm speculating here) disappointment at the turn his life had taken.

Reading between the lines of what little you find in a Google search, it seems like Barger is one of those extremely smart people who never find a way to exist in the world.

When someone's disappointment tips into rage, what is the first group that comes to mind for fixing blame? It has always been the Jews.

I would suggest that sometimes all it takes is a certain predilection for blaming others and a run of bad luck to turn an ordinary person with no anti-Semitic background into a Jew-hater.

Of course, here in America, we've always had the people of African descent as an alternative. Not surprisingly the two hatreds often go hand in hand.

The psychology of morbid, deranged hatred is deep and multifarious.

You have a good point that fundamental personality traits may be part of the problem (propensity to blame others). Of course one could blame an individual or an organization, rather than an entire group of people the vast majority of whom one has never met.

We are both speculating. I admit I have no way of knowing what Brunn's early influences were, and you admit you are speculating that Barger's attitude was a result of disappointment.

Intelligence does not correlate with tolerance. One can be brilliant (and apparently Brunn was no idiot either) and be filled with hate. One can be logical in dealing with the material world, and the irrationality of hate can still seep through the cracks (even while the individual is convinced that his/her attitudes are "rational.")

The simplicity of "blaming the Jews" is of course not without societal context either. There is an entrenched history of antisemitism that was part of the official teachings of the Church for over a millenium, and even if no longer officially taught in most (but not all) churches, the echoes are still there.

288 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:38:57pm

re: #280 FurryOldGuyJeans

I remember the day when there would have been major outcries from both parties over $50b just being pissed away.

makes you wonder about how much of that is coming back to them.

289 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:38:59pm

re: #285 eschew_obfuscation

How do they get Paddy from Patrick?

WITH A CROWBAR!

/rimshot

290 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:39:07pm

re: #285 eschew_obfuscation

How do they get Paddy from Patrick?

Or is the name actually something more like Padreagh?

291 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:39:38pm

re: #285 eschew_obfuscation

How do they get Paddy from Patrick?

How do they get She-vaun from Siobhan? Gaelic doesn't follow English rules of phonics.

/Wanted to name my youngest kid Siobhan, but my Irish husband shot that down real quick.

292 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:39:45pm

re: #285 eschew_obfuscation

How do they get Paddy from Patrick?

I don't know, but it's the source of the word paddywagon.

How do they get Guiness from burnt barley?

re: #290 eschew_obfuscation

Or is the name actually something more like Padreagh?

I think you're on to something.

293 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:39:51pm

re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WITH A CROWBAR!

/rimshot

No, that's how you separate Patrick Fitzgerald from Gerald Fitzpatrick.

294 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:39:59pm

re: #271 Cato the Elder

Just for the record: the March holiday is St. Paddy's, not "Patty's". Patty is a girl's name.

Even Irish people do that, and it drives me nuts.

Mea Maxima Culpa

295 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:40:08pm

re: #247 JustABill

Has anyone read Ulysses? Is one of those books I think I should read, but never seem to get around to. Is it worth the time it would take to read?

People who have actually read it seem to think it is worth it. It's very complex. I know what I've read of James Joyce I have really enjoyed, but I've never attacked Ulysses.

296 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:40:37pm

re: #293 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, that's how you separate Patrick Fitzgerald from Gerald Fitzpatrick.

You just ruined my follow up!

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:40:49pm

re: #290 eschew_obfuscation

Or is the name actually something more like Padreagh?

Patricius becomes Padraig becomes Patrick.

Diminutives include Pat, Paid, Paddy, and assorted others.

298 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:40:51pm

re: #277 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Would have gotten the video up by now, but Youtube is being a bitch.

I like that video. But I won't be watching it at work.

299 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:41:27pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

Patricius becomes Padraig becomes Patrick.

Diminutives include Pat, Paid, Paddy, and assorted others.

Oh, can we have another name thread?!

300 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:41:35pm

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

Some people say that the Bloom is off that book.

From what I've heard about it, I rejoyce that I didn't have to read it in school.

301 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:42:00pm

re: #285 eschew_obfuscation

How do they get Paddy from Patrick?

The name we pronounce "Patrick" is "Padraigh." Thus, Paddy.

302 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:42:18pm

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

Interesting video about extremists, racists, and the internet.

303 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:42:20pm

I'm out of here. Happy hour time!

304 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:42:26pm

re: #285 eschew_obfuscation

How do they get Paddy from Patrick?

Patrick is Pádraig in Gaelic.

305 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:42:46pm

re: #302 Sharmuta

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

Interesting video about extremists, racists, and the internet.

oh my...

306 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:42:53pm

re: #295 Cattt

People who have actually read it seem to think it is worth it. It's very complex. I know what I've read of James Joyce I have really enjoyed, but I've never attacked Ulysses.


I tried to attack it once, but I was disarmed and arrested before I could do any damage.

307 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #288 brookly red

makes you wonder about how much of that is coming back to them.

Directly? Not a lot. But in votes bought, quite a lot. The UAW payoff is a good example.

308 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:43:08pm

re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WITH A CROWBAR!

/rimshot

Isn't that the punchline to "how do you separate the men from the boys in the Greek navy"?

309 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:43:22pm

re: #301 Dianna

GMTA.

310 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:43:22pm

re: #291 doppelganglander

How do they get She-vaun from Siobhan? Gaelic doesn't follow English rules of phonics.

/Wanted to name my youngest kid Siobhan, but my Irish husband shot that down real quick.

Joe-girl!

There's a writer for the Wall Street Journal with the first name Siobhan. I danced at her wedding, which was really, really nice.

311 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:43:26pm

re: #227 opnion

No Levin is annoying. I made a terrible mistake & read Saving Sprite.
I am a dog lover , but he had the dog for one year & became mental when the dog died.
We lost our dog about a month and a half ago. We had her for twelve years. We still grieve but life goes on.

i'm so sorry you lost your dog. i still grieve for my big girl who i lost 12 yrs. ago. and the spoiled beauty i lost 3 yrs. ago. it's like that if your a dog person.
i can see how mark became attached to his dog so quickly. he took sprite everywhere he went. even to the studio to do his show.
i have the book too but haven't read it yet.
i do know that he gave all the money from "rescuing sprite" to animal charities.

312 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:43:35pm

re: #291 doppelganglander

How do they get She-vaun from Siobhan? Gaelic doesn't follow English rules of phonics.

/Wanted to name my youngest kid Siobhan, but my Irish husband shot that down real quick.

Yeah, I know ;~)

Classical bagpipe music is called Piobreachd and pronounced Peebrock.

313 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:44:10pm

It's Friday afternoon... who needs a beer?

314 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:44:47pm

re: #291 doppelganglander

How do they get She-vaun from Siobhan? Gaelic doesn't follow English rules of phonics.

/Wanted to name my youngest kid Siobhan, but my Irish husband shot that down real quick.

Another one that drives me nuts is the English/American co-optation of "Caitlín", which is the Gaelic spelling of Kathleen and should be pronounced as such, not "Kate-lynn".

Lots of little white-bread WASP girls running around with a beautiful Irish name and don't have the first clue about it.

315 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:45:22pm

re: #299 doppelganglander

Oh, can we have another name thread?!

Wouldn't it go Patricus Patricus bo Batricus banana fanana fo Fatricus mi mo Matricus?

316 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:45:35pm

re: #284 Hengineer

how about back when that figure was $50m?

I remember the days of hyper-ventilating over $300 hammers and $6000 aircraft toilet seats. The real irony is the seats were never used. I know, I worked on the type of aircraft (P-3 Orion) involved.

317 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:45:47pm

re: #306 transient

I tried to attack it once, but I was disarmed and arrested before I could do any damage.

I assume you never tried "Finnegans Wake". It's a much harder book to attack, as you don't really know where to begin.

318 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:45:55pm

re: #304 Cattt

Patrick is Pádraig in Gaelic.

You're missing an 'h'!
/or maybe not?

I hate Gaelic orthography.

319 legalpad  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:45:56pm

re: #313 Kenneth

It's Friday afternoon... who needs a beer?

I really need a beer!

320 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:46:11pm

Heh... Padreagh = Padraig

Who knew? (well...obviously many of you) Thanks!

321 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:46:48pm

re: #271 Cato the Elder

Just for the record: the March holiday is St. Paddy's, not "Patty's". Patty is a girl's name.

Even Irish people do that, and it drives me nuts.

It is Paddy, his name was Padrick.
On the down side it inspired Paddy Wagon.

322 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:48:01pm

re: #317 John Neverbend

I assume you never tried "Finnegans Wake". It's a much harder book to attack, as you don't really know where to begin.

I have an abridged audiobook version. The flow you get from listening rather than reading (and getting stuck on funny spellings every other word) gives you a whole different take on the thing. Joyce always meant it to be read aloud.

323 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:48:16pm

re: #306 transient

I tried to attack it once, but I was disarmed and arrested before I could do any damage.

A guy at work who went through a long period of thinking he would be a great literary giant tried to read Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow. I finally got him to read Philip K. Dick by directing him to a five-star elitist literary review of The Man in the High Castle.

324 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:48:17pm

re: #317 John Neverbend

I assume you never tried "Finnegans Wake". It's a much harder book to attack, as you don't really know where to begin.


Nope, never tried that one. Do you have any recommendations as to appropriate weaponry?

325 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:48:37pm

re: #321 opnion

It is Paddy, his name was Padrick.
On the down side it inspired Paddy Wagon.

Is that because cops were Irish, or because of the perception of Irish being nuisance drunks needing to be hauled to jail?

326 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:48:59pm

re: #325 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that because cops were Irish, or because of the perception of Irish being nuisance drunks needing to be hauled to jail?

Yes.

327 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:49:02pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

Another one that drives me nuts is the English/American co-optation of "Caitlín", which is the Gaelic spelling of Kathleen and should be pronounced as such, not "Kate-lynn".

Lots of little white-bread WASP girls running around with a beautiful Irish name and don't have the first clue about it.

Slainte, the Irish toast is pronounced Slan-cha.

328 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:49:25pm

re: #312 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah, I know ;~)

Classical bagpipe music is called Piobreachd and pronounced Peebrock.

And Dublin is pronounced Baile Átha Cliath (sort of).

329 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:49:26pm
330 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #317 John Neverbend

I assume you never tried "Finnegans Wake". It's a much harder book to attack, as you don't really know where to begin.

People have waded in wielding blades and fire, yet never been seen again! Just a puff of smoke and a despairing cry...

331 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:49:46pm

re: #325 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that because cops were Irish, or because of the perception of Irish being nuisance drunks needing to be hauled to jail?

The latter.

332 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:50:04pm

re: #301 Dianna

The name we pronounce "Patrick" is "Padraigh." Thus, Paddy.

So where does the nickname "Pappy" come from?

333 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:50:05pm

re: #323 Cattt

A guy at work who went through a long period of thinking he would be a great literary giant tried to read Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow. I finally got him to read Philip K. Dick by directing him to a five-star elitist literary review of The Man in the High Castle.

Tried to read it? What happened?

I read it over spring break (then known as Easter) in college, with the aid of a bag of loco weed and plenty of canned food. No problem.

The problems started after I finished...

334 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:50:16pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

Another one that drives me nuts is the English/American co-optation of "Caitlín", which is the Gaelic spelling of Kathleen and should be pronounced as such, not "Kate-lynn".

Lots of little white-bread WASP girls running around with a beautiful Irish name and don't have the first clue about it.

I'm afraid I'm guilty of this one, although we are not WASPs. I picked it after the wife of Dylan Thomas, and I'd never heard it pronounced. I was living overseas and had no idea it was becoming one of the top 10 baby names. I think at this point, it's just an Americanized name. My pet peeve is the various misspellings - Katelyn, Kate-lynn, Kaitlynn. At least I got that part right.

335 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:50:31pm

re: #324 transient

Nope, never tried that one. Do you have any recommendations as to appropriate weaponry?

See my reply to John!

336 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:50:36pm

re: #322 Cato the Elder

I have an abridged audiobook version. The flow you get from listening rather than reading (and getting stuck on funny spellings every other word) gives you a whole different take on the thing. Joyce always meant it to be read aloud.

I've only heard a version that was turned into a song by the Clancy Brothers

337 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:50:57pm

re: #329 buzzsawmonkey

Old joke:

What's Irish and sits by the pool?

Paddy O'Furniture.

OK , how doo stop an Irish girl from having sex? Never mind, I'll get hammered for the answer.

338 Kragar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:51:06pm

re: #329 buzzsawmonkey

Old joke:

What's Irish and sits by the pool?

Paddy O'Furniture.

Whats Irish foreplay?

"BRACE YOURSELF!"

339 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:51:14pm

re: #324 transient

Nope, never tried that one. Do you have any recommendations as to appropriate weaponry?

Just a bucket of cold water for the feet and a wet towel round the head. Pretty much the same standard armament as for the later Henry James. Oh, and it probably helps to take a good dose of mind-expanding drugs.

340 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:51:17pm

re: #261 Buck

DID YOU READ THE PART ABOUT THIS KID BEING IN AN ORPHANAGE?

Do you think Madonna was just strolling down the street, and picked a kid at random?

My kids are not in an orphanage...but my father was. His mother died, and his father just abandoned him (and his two bothers and a sister) at the local orphanage. You want to side with the guy who left his child in an Orphanage?

Well, in this case a Judge listened to both sides, and chose to do what is best for the child.

Hey Buck...FUCK OFF WITH THE YELLING!

I'm sorry to hear about your father, aunt and uncles, but I'll side with any parent.

There may be a parent that does not want this child to be taken. All they know is the mother died of AIDS...this could be the father. Why not error on the side of caution? At least check it out.

Madonna sets a good example for who...Brad and Angelina?

My hat is off to Madonna for her "Raising Malawi Charity".

Madonna has founded a charity, Raising Malawi, which helps feed, educate and provide medical care for some of Malawi's more than 1 million orphans, half of whom have lost a parent to AIDS.

341 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:51:42pm

re: #332 wrenchwench

So where does the nickname "Pappy" come from?

Red Sox fans?

342 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:51:42pm

re: #332 wrenchwench

So where does the nickname "Pappy" come from?

In which of its many derivations?

343 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:52:43pm

re: #342 Dianna

In which of its many derivations?

I knew a Patrick whose family called him "Pappy."

344 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:53:08pm

re: #338 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats Irish foreplay?

"BRACE YOURSELF!"

I thought that was Australian foreplay (with the addition of the word "Sheila").

345 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:53:14pm

re: #336 Hengineer

I've only heard a version that was turned into a song by the Clancy Brothers

Tim revives! See how he rises!
Timothy rising from the bed:
Says, "Throwin' whiskey around like blazes -
What is this, do you think I'm dead?"

346 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:53:33pm

re: #343 wrenchwench

I knew a Patrick whose family called him "Pappy."

No clue, unless he was the father of the family?

347 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:53:39pm

re: #336 Hengineer

I've only heard a version that was turned into a song by the Clancy Brothers

Actually the song came first. It was Joyce's inspiration for the title.

348 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:54:08pm

re: #323 Cattt

A guy at work who went through a long period of thinking he would be a great literary giant tried to read Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow. I finally got him to read Philip K. Dick by directing him to a five-star elitist literary review of The Man in the High Castle.

If I read Anna Karenina sometime within the next 12 months I will consider myself to be doing well. That's the most literary work I aspire to in the near future. (War and Peace took 6 weeks, and I need a long break.) Meanwhile, I have a large pile of nonfiction books on my floor to wade through. And one of these days I have to read Gibbon.

349 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:54:29pm
350 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:54:39pm

re: #344 John Neverbend

I thought that was Australian foreplay (with the addition of the word "Sheila").

Odd how many Australian women are called Sheila.
/

351 Aye Pod  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:55:01pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

Another one that drives me nuts is the English/American co-optation of "Caitlín", which is the Gaelic spelling of Kathleen and should be pronounced as such, not "Kate-lynn".

Lots of little white-bread WASP girls running around with a beautiful Irish name and don't have the first clue about it.

Kate-lynn is how everyone pronounces it in Scotland too. Btw, all children born in the UK since 2000 have been named either Caitlin or Kieran.

352 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:55:07pm

re: #345 Dianna

Tim revives! See how he rises!
Timothy rising from the bed:
Says, "Throwin' whiskey around like blazes -
What is this, do you think I'm dead?"

That's the one!

353 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:55:32pm

re: #334 doppelganglander

I'm afraid I'm guilty of this one, although we are not WASPs. I picked it after the wife of Dylan Thomas, and I'd never heard it pronounced. I was living overseas and had no idea it was becoming one of the top 10 baby names. I think at this point, it's just an Americanized name. My pet peeve is the various misspellings - Katelyn, Kate-lynn, Kaitlynn. At least I got that part right.

Well, if she wants to set herself apart, your daughter can always revert to the "real" pronunciation. How old is she?

354 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:55:46pm

re: #346 Dianna

No clue, unless he was the father of the family?

Nope. He was the second son, childless and 23 years old at the time. They said it was a nickname for Patrick. They were Irish, so I just figured they knew what they were talking about.

355 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:56:00pm

re: #304 Cattt

Patrick is Pádraig in Gaelic.

He was a Romanised Celt. Irish provincial kings and the ARD RE, the High King at Tara all had their Druids. The Druid was a big deal & just behind the King in the pecking order.
I am mystified how Padrick got them to abandon all that & embrace Christianity.

356 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:56:08pm

re: #351 Jimmah

Kate-lynn is how everyone pronounces it in Scotland too. Btw, all children born in the UK since 2000 have been named either Caitlin or Kieran.

You forgot all the Mohammed's.

357 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:57:05pm

re: #348 transient

And one of these days I have to read Gibbon.

Gibbon's prose is "pellucid" (that's a nice, woody sort of word). He makes it seem so easy. I have an abridged version of the Decline and Fall, but to my eternal shame, I was not able to see it through to the end.

358 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:57:30pm

re: #351 Jimmah

Kate-lynn is how everyone pronounces it in Scotland too. Btw, all children born in the UK since 2000 have been named either Caitlin or Kieran.

I thought I heard that! ;^)

And every male child of a certain socio-economic class and age is a Dylan.

359 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Ich bin ein BUSTED.

ROTFLOL, a great moment.

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:58:23pm

re: #356 JustABill

You forgot all the Mohammed's.

In Zadie Smith's first novel, one of the character's sons decides to shed his Pakistani name and be called Mike Smith. His father goes berserk.

361 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:58:24pm

re: #345 Dianna

Tim revives! See how he rises!
Timothy rising from the bed:
Says, "Throwin' whiskey around like blazes -
What is this, do you think I'm dead?"

Lots of fun at Finnegans Wake

362 Hengineer  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:58:28pm

re: #323 Cattt

A guy at work who went through a long period of thinking he would be a great literary giant tried to read Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow. I finally got him to read Philip K. Dick by directing him to a five-star elitist literary review of The Man in the High Castle.

I had to read the Man in the High Castle in high school.

An interesting book, I guess.

363 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:58:38pm

re: #357 John Neverbend

Gibbon's prose is "pellucid" (that's a nice, woody sort of word). He makes it seem so easy. I have an abridged version of the Decline and Fall, but to my eternal shame, I was not able to see it through to the end.

This is a bad moment to confess I read all three unabridged volumes?

364 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:59:15pm

re: #353 Cato the Elder

Well, if she wants to set herself apart, your daughter can always revert to the "real" pronunciation. How old is she?

She's 22, so it's probably a little late for that. Her biggest problem is having to spell it for people who believe it should have a K. If she pronounced it Kathleen, her troubles would only multiply. Also, it would then rhyme with her middle name.

365 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:59:25pm

re: #348 transient

If I read Anna Karenina sometime within the next 12 months I will consider myself to be doing well. That's the most literary work I aspire to in the near future. (War and Peace took 6 weeks, and I need a long break.) Meanwhile, I have a large pile of nonfiction books on my floor to wade through. And one of these days I have to read Gibbon.

My brother gave me the princely gift of the Modern Library's six-volume Gibbon for Christmas. It's the best out there for the price.

366 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:59:45pm

re: #325 FurryOldGuyJeans

Is that because cops were Irish, or because of the perception of Irish being nuisance drunks needing to be hauled to jail?

The etymology is obscure, but the word stems from the 1920s or 30s and from New York/Philly areas. It most likely stems from the fact that a large portion of the police in those areas at that time were of Irish extraction.

367 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 1:59:48pm

re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist

In Zadie Smith's first novel, one of the character's sons decides to shed his Pakistani name and be called Mike Smith. His father goes berserk.

Doncha love it when calling a customer support line, you get some Indian guy who sounds like he's gargling marbles and says his name is "Chad"?

368 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:00:27pm

HI group! Not been a good day for extremists. Still extremely frustrated that Conservatives and Republicans of big names won't stand up and say "this is not our party, we abso-f'n-lutely will not tolerate or support such behaviors. We will NOT allow insane individuals to infiltrate our party and be associated as "right wing". For those that espouse these ideas, your thoughts, ideas and votes are not wanted."

I've decided this is a better tactic than debating whether or not the association is a valid one.

369 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:00:47pm

re: #363 Dianna

This is a bad moment to confess I read all three unabridged volumes?

I'm impressed. I've gotten through the abridged Penguin version only. If I can ever afford the Kindle, the unabridged edition is only 99 cents. (Or I could just buy the 3 volumes for $20, but that's no fun.)

370 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:00:55pm

re: #364 doppelganglander

She's 22, so it's probably a little late for that. Her biggest problem is having to spell it for people who believe it should have a K. If she pronounced it Kathleen, her troubles would only multiply. Also, it would then rhyme with her middle name.

Ah. Never had that problem. My real name is a plain as a sixpenny nail.

371 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:01:02pm

re: #333 Cato the Elder

Tried to read it? What happened?

I read it over spring break (then known as Easter) in college, with the aid of a bag of loco weed and plenty of canned food. No problem.

The problems started after I finished...

I think the problem was he was sober and a vegetarian. :D

372 Aye Pod  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:01:37pm

My post-shopping response on the wee stooshie on the open thread earlier, for anyone who is interested/involved:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:02:00pm

re: #367 eschew_obfuscation

Doncha love it when calling a customer support line, you get some Indian guy who sounds like he's gargling marbles and says his name is "Chad"?

I was once walked through some extensive computer trouble at work by a man in India who told me his name was 'Constantine'.

I have sometimes thought that if I ever have a phone-bank job again I should identify myself as Parvati, just for balance.

374 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:02:18pm

re: #367 eschew_obfuscation

Doncha love it when calling a customer support line, you get some Indian guy who sounds like he's gargling marbles and says his name is "Chad"?

I always get Jay.

375 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:02:21pm

re: #353 Cato the Elder

Well, if she wants to set herself apart, your daughter can always revert to the "real" pronunciation. How old is she?

I wonder how Dylan Thomas pronounced his daughter's name. By the way, if anybody would like to hear Dylan Thomas' sonorous voice, listen to this (ignore the out of sync video of Thomas opening and closing his mouth).

and

376 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:02:55pm

re: #370 Cato the Elder

Ah. Never had that problem. My real name is a plain as a sixpenny nail.

My troubles are all based on Mom sticking that extra 'n' in there. She once told me that if she'd had the slightest notion what a problem the spelling of my name would turn out to be, she wouldn't have done it.

However, I came within an ace of being named "Artemis" which would really have caused no end of grief. So I keep my complaints to a minimum.

377 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:02:56pm

re: #368 ArmyWife

HI group! Not been a good day for extremists. Still extremely frustrated that Conservatives and Republicans of big names won't stand up and say "this is not our party, we abso-f'n-lutely will not tolerate or support such behaviors. We will NOT allow insane individuals to infiltrate our party and be associated as "right wing". For those that espouse these ideas, your thoughts, ideas and votes are not wanted."

I've decided this is a better tactic than debating whether or not the association is a valid one.

I like that.

378 yochanan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:03:16pm

re: #367 eschew_obfuscation

i got one who said his name was cohen when i said if he had said patel i would have believed him we both laughed LOL

379 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:03:44pm

re: #366 Cattt

The etymology is obscure, but the word stems from the 1920s or 30s and from New York/Philly areas. It most likely stems from the fact that a large portion of the police in those areas at that time were of Irish extraction.


I wish that was the case, but my police uncles tell another story.
It was they said because lots of Irish drunks got rounded up during the day.
They were not proud of that, they were Irish

380 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:03:59pm

re: #363 Dianna

This is a bad moment to confess I read all three unabridged volumes?

Not at all, and Mazal Tov! You obviously enjoyed it. Have you ever read prose like that from any other author?

381 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:04:29pm

I have a 12 year old customer named Dartanian.

382 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:04:42pm

re: #375 John Neverbend

I wonder how Dylan Thomas pronounced his daughter's name. By the way, if anybody would like to hear Dylan Thomas' sonorous voice, listen to this (ignore the out of sync video of Thomas opening and closing his mouth).


[Video]

Nifty! Thomas' wife was Caitlin MacNamara, and his children were Llewellyn, Aeronwy, and Colm. The middle one is a girl and I suppose the name is Welsh, but I am stumped as to the pronunciation.

383 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:04:47pm

re: #380 John Neverbend

Not at all, and Mazal Tov! You obviously enjoyed it. Have you ever read prose like that from any other author?

Carlyle, and (curiously enough) Sheridan LeFanu.

384 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:04:49pm

re: #329 buzzsawmonkey

Old joke:

What's Irish and sits by the pool?

Paddy O'Furniture.


What's the difference between an Irish Wedding and an Irish Wake?

One less drunk

385 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:05:08pm

re: #351 Jimmah

my daughter's middle name is Caitlin. Guess I am guilty. My other daughter's middle name is Hope. She wants to sue the O for his "abuse" of the word. Did I mention she is 10?

386 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:05:20pm

re: #381 wrenchwench

I have a 12 year old customer named Dartanian.

Armenian?

387 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:05:21pm

re: #381 wrenchwench

I have a 12 year old customer named Dartanian.

Watch out for his three brothers ... I hear they stick together pretty closely and travel heavily armed ...

388 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:05:27pm

Sounds like Reuters an AP early reports were wrong...again.

Ahmadinejad leads in early Iran returns

With almost 20 percent of ballots counted, Election Commission Chief Kamran Daneshjoo said Ahmadinejad was leading with 69 percent of the vote.

Daneshjoo said Ahmadinejad's chief rival, reformist candidate Mir Hossain Moussavi, had 28 percent.

389 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:05:27pm

re: #381 wrenchwench

I have a 12 year old customer named Dartanian.

Not Dartagnan? Or did the parents just duck the whole French spelling issue?

390 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:05:28pm

re: #378 yochanan

i got one who said his name was cohen when i said if he had said patel i would have believed him we both laughed LOL

I've had ones that did give their Indian name, and when I say I worked with people with the same name, we get along.
As long as I don't have to pronounce their last names. One place we had some Indians that we just referred to by their first names or initials. We had a great product there, too bad the cell phone companies were cutting back at the time.

391 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:05:36pm

re: #376 Dianna

My troubles are all based on Mom sticking that extra 'n' in there. She once told me that if she'd had the slightest notion what a problem the spelling of my name would turn out to be, she wouldn't have done it.

However, I came within an ace of being named "Artemis" which would really have caused no end of grief. So I keep my complaints to a minimum.

One of my favorite classical names and myths is Atalanta. But the thought of imposing that on a girlchild with all the needless teasing and confusion that would result makes me think Cattt might be a better choice.

;^)

392 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:06:45pm

re: #372 Jimmah

I just replied.

393 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:06:48pm

re: #382 doppelganglander

Nifty! Thomas' wife was Caitlin MacNamara, and his children were Llewellyn, Aeronwy, and Colm. The middle one is a girl and I suppose the name is Welsh, but I am stumped as to the pronunciation.

I think it's Eye-ron-oowy. I forgot that Caitlin was his wife.

394 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:07:10pm

re: #381 wrenchwench

I have a 12 year old customer named Dartanian.

Better get his parents permission before you sell him anything.

395 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:07:15pm

re: #324 transient

Nope, never tried that one. Do you have any recommendations as to appropriate weaponry?

Read this book in a room by yourself. Read it aloud to yourself, in a normal speaking volume, but with your thickest possible accent. You'll be amazed what you hear, because it looked quite different on the page.

396 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:07:24pm

re: #382 doppelganglander

Nifty! Thomas' wife was Caitlin MacNamara, and his children were Llewellyn, Aeronwy, and Colm. The middle one is a girl and I suppose the name is Welsh, but I am stumped as to the pronunciation.

Welsh, yes. The sites I look at suggest eye-ROAN-wee or eye-RAWN-wee. Pretty.

My husband and I bicker from time to time, since I want to give the kids extravagantly Yiddishy names, and he is opposed to anything with a 'chet' sound in it.

One year, I had three kids in my classes named variants of Briana, and two Breas. They all spelled it differently, thank God.

397 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:07:25pm

re: #389 Dianna

Not Dartagnan? Or did the parents just duck the whole French spelling issue?

Imagine if she'd dropped in the apostrophe. It's hard enough for the O'Briens of the world.

398 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:07:38pm

Speaking of awful name choices, my mother knew a woman who named her daughter "Vendetta".

And another one who called her girl "Fallopia".

In some countries if you try to give your kid a name that will make them the object of extreme ridicule the law will intervene. Not sure how I feel about that, but I know Fallopia would have to become Janet before we could get married.

399 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:07:47pm

re: #388 jorline

Sounds like Reuters an AP early reports were wrong...again.

Ahmadinejad leads in early Iran returns

Must have used ACORN.

400 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:08:48pm

re: #398 Cato the Elder

Speaking of awful name choices, my mother knew a woman who named her daughter "Vendetta".

And another one who called her girl "Fallopia".

In some countries if you try to give your kid a name that will make them the object of extreme ridicule the law will intervene. Not sure how I feel about that, but I know Fallopia would have to become Janet before we could get married.

I knew a guy in high school named Richard Boner ... he had it changed before college ;~)

401 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:09:10pm

re: #371 Cattt

I think the problem was he was sober and a vegetarian. :D

In that case he had no chance of becoming a great writer in the first place. ;^)

402 Aye Pod  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #385 ArmyWife

my daughter's middle name is Caitlin. Guess I am guilty. My other daughter's middle name is Hope. She wants to sue the O for his "abuse" of the word. Did I mention she is 10?

It must get confusing in town, when you shout "CAITLIN" and about 20 kids turn round;-)

It's a popular name allright. Still, an improvement I think on the previous holder of the crown for most ubiquitous girls name - 'Chelsea'.

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:09:15pm

re: #398 Cato the Elder

Speaking of awful name choices, my mother knew a woman who named her daughter "Vendetta".

And another one who called her girl "Fallopia".

In some countries if you try to give your kid a name that will make them the object of extreme ridicule the law will intervene. Not sure how I feel about that, but I know Fallopia would have to become Janet before we could get married.

Vendetta. Kind of stylish, innit?

404 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:09:16pm

re: #398 Cato the Elder

Speaking of awful name choices, my mother knew a woman who named her daughter "Vendetta".

And another one who called her girl "Fallopia".

In some countries if you try to give your kid a name that will make them the object of extreme ridicule the law will intervene. Not sure how I feel about that, but I know Fallopia would have to become Janet before we could get married.

La-a (pronounced ladasha)

she'll go far in life
/

405 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:09:47pm

re: #388 jorline

Follow up

State Media Says Ahmadinejad Wins Re-Election, but Rival Also Claims Victory

Iran's state news agency reported that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won re-election Friday, but his main reformist challenger also confidently claimed victory at a news conference moments earlier.

The rival claims came even before the close of polls, which authorities permitted to stay open an extra six hours, until midnight, to allow long lines of voters to cast ballots. Official results were not expected until Saturday.

Are they looking at chads?

I think the Iranian Supreme Court...Mullahs will weigh in on this one.

406 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:10:08pm

re: #400 eschew_obfuscation

and let us not forget the infamous Ima Hogg.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

407 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:10:32pm

re: #404 Shug

La-a (pronounced ladasha)

she'll go far in life
/

Good grief.

Lahyphena would be classier.

408 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:10:47pm

re: #406 ArmyWife

and let us not forget the infamous Ima Hogg.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I knew a girl named Crystal Ball.

409 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:10:50pm

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

Vendetta. Kind of stylish, innit?

I'm picturing her in skin-tight leather...spike heels...killer personality.

410 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:10:52pm

re: #404 Shug

La-a (pronounced ladasha)

she'll go far in life
/

Female (pronounced Fe-molly). She thought the nurses named her child.

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:10:56pm

re: #404 Shug

La-a (pronounced ladasha)

she'll go far in life
/

I had a group of Mongolian kids in my ESL class for a while, all with nice, normal Mongolian names. I lived for the times the office would call up for one of them, and gargle and choke as they tried to get through the name as written on paper.

412 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:11:01pm

re: #407 Cato the Elder

Good grief.

Lahyphena would be classier.

don't give them any ideas.

413 freetoken  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:11:02pm

re: #163 ihateronpaul

awww my thread on Buchanan has been deleted. It would be a damn shame if a bunch of lizards went to

[Link: marklevinfan.com...]

got accounts, and pointed this out to the "conservative base"

From the few times I've been able to catch Levin on the radio, I concluded he wasn't someone to whom I wish to listen. One of the times he was ranting against immigrants... and there was no adjective prefixed of "illegal"... which told me all I needed to know (besides his raving voice...)

414 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:11:21pm

re: #400 eschew_obfuscation

I knew a guy in high school named Richard Boner ... he had it changed before college ;~)

I want to know what race car driver Dick Trickle's parents were thinking. I have this vision of him on David Letterman and David not getting past his name...

415 yochanan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:11:24pm

re: #396 SanFranciscoZionist

mine is Yochanan sure is fun when the goyium can't pronouce it except for assyrians who can

416 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:11:39pm

re: #408 KenJen

I knew a girl named Crystal Ball.

I had a friend whose last name was Bowling and she married a Ball.

417 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:11:56pm

There's the joke about the girl named Chastity who changed her name to Charity.

418 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:12:03pm

re: #402 Jimmah

It's her middle name. Her first name is far less popular. My younger daughter, however, is often called her first and middle name together - has been that way since she was born. This is why she feels compelled to litigate.

419 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:12:09pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Female (pronounced Fe-molly). She thought the nurses named her child.

LOL...We had a really stupid cat we named that after hearing that story... back in the 70's

420 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:12:15pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

I was once walked through some extensive computer trouble at work by a man in India who told me his name was 'Constantine'.

I have sometimes thought that if I ever have a phone-bank job again I should identify myself as Parvati, just for balance.

For some reason, that makes me think of Chthonic - Taiwanese symphonic black metal band.

421 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:12:22pm

re: #416 redstateredneck

I had a friend whose last name was Bowling and she married a Ball.

He was framed !

422 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:12:28pm

re: #408 KenJen

I knew a girl named Crystal Ball.

I heard of one named Crystal Poole.

423 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:12:45pm

re: #379 opnion

I wish that was the case, but my police uncles tell another story.
It was they said because lots of Irish drunks got rounded up during the day.
They were not proud of that, they were Irish

That's folk etymology, dearheart. :D

424 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:13:01pm

re: #418 ArmyWife

It's her middle name. Her first name is far less popular. My younger daughter, however, is often called her first and middle name together - has been that way since she was born. This is why she feels compelled to litigate.

I think I'd like your daughter a lot.

425 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:13:06pm

re: #421 Shug

He was framed !

...and ended up in the gutter.

426 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:13:07pm

re: #417 Kosh's Shadow

There's the joke about the girl named Chastity who changed her name to Charity.

I think she changed it to Chad.
/

427 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:13:20pm

Freakonomics has a chapter on silly names.

428 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:13:38pm

re: #419 eschew_obfuscation

Pet names are fun. I knew a cat named Trouble. He'd come running around the corner and we'd say, "here comes Trouble". And it stuck.

429 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:13:39pm

Listening to Matt Lauer (D-MSM) getting absolutely housed by Sarah Palin...priceless.

430 jorline  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:13:49pm

re: #417 Kosh's Shadow

There's the joke about the girl named Chastity who changed her name to Charity.

I became a Charity case of Chastity's only after begging.
/

431 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:14:02pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Female (pronounced Fe-molly). She thought the nurses named her child.

Thats actually pretty common.
I knew a young woman who was a nurse for the Chicago Public Schools, She swore that she was in a class room with a kid named Myrtis Turnipseed.

432 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:14:14pm

re: #422 Kosh's Shadow

I heard of one named Crystal Poole.

If Anwar Sadat's wife had been named Dorothy, she would have been Dot Sadat.

433 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:14:19pm

I had a dog named stay. He was really confused when I called him.

Come stay
Come stay


--Stephen Wright

434 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:14:20pm

re: #426 KenJen

I think she changed it to Chad.
/

chaz

435 JustABill  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:14:31pm

re: #421 Shug

He was framed !

spare me the puns.

436 beens21  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:14:55pm

took 20 seconds to load a page here, get spinning circles on the links.Is someone tinkering with the innards or is it my browser?

437 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:14:58pm

Any family (in the US) named Revere who name their son Paul should be prosecuted for dooming him to years of midnight phone calls saying "The British are coming!"
Oh wait, that should end as we aren't learning history any more.

438 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:15:06pm

re: #435 JustABill

spare me the puns.

let's talk turkey

439 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:15:22pm

re: #428 Sharmuta

Pet names are fun. I knew a cat named Trouble. He'd come running around the corner and we'd say, "here comes Trouble". And it stuck.

Heh! We also had a rescue himalayan that was pure white... we called it "Spot"

440 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:15:26pm

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

Vendetta. Kind of stylish, innit?

And there's already a mask she can use every Halloween.

441 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:15:26pm

re: #421 Shug

He was framed !

I bet everyone at the wedding was on pins and needles.

442 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:15:30pm

re: #406 ArmyWife

and let us not forget the infamous Ima Hogg.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

As a teenager I worked a summer job in a day camp & one of the campers was named Cherry-Ann Hyman... that is child abuse IMO.

443 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:15:30pm

re: #431 opnion

Thats actually pretty common.
I knew a young woman who was a nurse for the Chicago Public Schools, She swore that she was in a class room with a kid named Myrtis Turnipseed.

Turnipseed is a fairly common name among blacks in the South. I don't know about Myrtis.

My mom went to school with a (white) girl named Arbutus Agee. Arbutus is some sort of plant.

444 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:15:31pm

re: #438 Shug

That's strike one.

445 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:15:33pm

re: #434 KenJen

chaz

I would have gone for Chase. Chase Bono. Oh, maybe not.

446 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:16:10pm

re: #386 callahan23

Armenian?

re: #389 Dianna

Not Dartagnan? Or did the parents just duck the whole French spelling issue?

He's an American of Hispanic heritage, which is kind of vague, but that's all I know.

447 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:16:17pm

I had a pair of litter mate sister kitties I named Passive and Aggressive.

448 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:16:50pm

re: #439 eschew_obfuscation

Heh! We also had a rescue himalayan that was pure white... we called it "Spot"

I always wanted to get a white cat and name it "Pepper".

449 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:16:53pm

re: #439 eschew_obfuscation

Heh! We also had a rescue himalayan that was pure white... we called it "Spot"

I've thought of calling a small dog "Napoleon", not because he thinks he's emperor, but because he can really tear a Bonaparte.

450 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:17:25pm

re: #447 Sharmuta

I had a pair of litter mate sister kitties I named Passive and Aggressive.

A family friend once named a kitten Nacho, because, as she explained, if her boyfriend ever left her and tried to take the cat with him, she could run down the street after him, yelling "That cat is not yours! That is Nacho cat!"

451 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:17:27pm

re: #442 brookly red

As a teenager I worked a summer job in a day camp & one of the campers was named Cherry-Ann Hyman... that is child abuse IMO.

To be sure. From middle school on she'll be Cherry-Ass.

452 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:17:32pm

re: #431 opnion

I went to school with a girl named Sunday Knight. Interestingly enough, Mr. Armywife's middle name is Knight. His parents are hippies. His first name is odd, too.

453 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:17:37pm

re: #367 eschew_obfuscation

Doncha love it when calling a customer support line, you get some Indian guy who sounds like he's gargling marbles and says his name is "Chad"?

On the flip-side of that coin, I called customer support for something-or-other and spoke with a very pleasant woman.

While she was looking something up I took the opportunity to complain about the heat, and she said it was 112 in her area.

"112!?" I say "Where are you?"

"Delhi" she says.

"Delhi? Delhi, India"? I ask.

"Yes" she replies.

I was more than a little surprised by this because she spoke better english than most Americans I know, and didn't have a discernible accent.

454 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:18:07pm

re: #449 Kosh's Shadow

ha ha. I DID have a Jack Russell named Genghis. It fit.

455 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:18:10pm

re: #443 doppelganglander

Turnipseed is a fairly common name among blacks in the South. I don't know about Myrtis.

My mom went to school with a (white) girl named Arbutus Agee. Arbutus is some sort of plant.


That explains it then. At first I thought that she was joking, but she is not the kind of person to mock

456 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:18:31pm

re: #454 ArmyWife

ha ha. I DID have a Jack Russell named Genghis. It fit.

And you fed Genghis Khan'ned dog food?

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:18:43pm

re: #448 Sharmuta

I always wanted to get a white cat and name it "Pepper".

When I moved to London (briefly) I was introduced to a black cat, and told that her name was Lucky--'not terribly original', the cat owner said with a chuckle. I thought it was kind of funny. Until I realized that black cats are symbols of good luck in Britain.

458 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:19:19pm

re: #449 Kosh's Shadow

I've thought of calling a small dog "Napoleon", not because he thinks he's emperor, but because he can really tear a Bonaparte.

RIMSHOT!

459 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:19:35pm

re: #450 SanFranciscoZionist

A family friend once named a kitten Nacho, because, as she explained, if her boyfriend ever left her and tried to take the cat with him, she could run down the street after him, yelling "That cat is not yours! That is Nacho cat!"

LOL!

460 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:19:45pm

My mom's given names were both middle English and very obscure. No one else ever has those names. If I gave them here, you would be able to instantly locate info on her via Google, so I can't. I also have one aunt with similarly obscure middle English given names. The rest of the family all have totally Southern country names.

461 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:19:47pm
462 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:19:49pm

Famous naval officer and chief of naval operations Arleigh Burke got his name because his mother mis-remembered Raleigh; she wanted to name him after Sir Walter Raleigh.

463 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:20:06pm

re: #453 Slumbering Behemoth

On the flip-side of that coin, I called customer support for something-or-other and spoke with a very pleasant woman.

While she was looking something up I took the opportunity to complain about the heat, and she said it was 112 in her area.

"112!?" I say "Where are you?"

"Delhi" she says.

"Delhi? Delhi, India"? I ask.

"Yes" she replies.

I was more than a little surprised by this because she spoke better english than most Americans I know, and didn't have a discernible accent.

I love talking to the Amazon reps from the Philippines. If you have a customer service issue you can now choose "we'll call you" and put in your phone number. Your phone literally rings within seconds. And they have never failed to help me.

464 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:20:17pm

re: #441 KenJen

I bet everyone at the wedding was on pins and needles.

Please spare me. ;)

465 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:20:20pm

Hmm, I've never mentioned my daugther's name here. I wonder if you'd all think it nice or strange.

466 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:20:21pm
467 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:20:28pm

re: #450 SanFranciscoZionist

A family friend once named a kitten Nacho, because, as she explained, if her boyfriend ever left her and tried to take the cat with him, she could run down the street after him, yelling "That cat is not yours! That is Nacho cat!"

I know a rather racist joke revolving around a large wheel of cheese that plays on that pronunciation.

468 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:20:29pm

re: #452 ArmyWife

I went to school with a girl named Sunday Knight. Interestingly enough, Mr. Armywife's middle name is Knight. His parents are hippies. His first name is odd, too.

Had to be trippin to get those names. Frank Zappa of course made the name your kid Hall of Fame with Moon Unit & Dweezal.

469 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:21:11pm

Actually, I got the idea for "Passive" and "Aggressive" from my uncle who once had two cats named "Mellow" and "Rowdy". He was surprised I remembered those cats.

470 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:21:17pm

Teleprompter-in-Chief gets lost in thought...

471 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:21:38pm

re: #468 opnion

Had to be trippin to get those names. Frank Zappa of course made the name your kid Hall of Fame with Moon Unit & Dweezal.

That's "Dweezil" to you, buddy!

;^)

472 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:21:50pm

re: #400 eschew_obfuscation

I knew a guy in high school named Richard Boner ... he had it changed before college ;~)

I stumbled across this remarkable list at a blogspot that I'd never seen before.

Names

I have actually met one of the named individuals.

473 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:22:01pm

re: #357 John Neverbend

Gibbon's prose is "pellucid" (that's a nice, woody sort of word). He makes it seem so easy. I have an abridged version of the Decline and Fall, but to my eternal shame, I was not able to see it through to the end.

After several laudatory comments about his writing, I glanced at a page on the internet. Definitely pellucid. Definitely worth reading for the prose, let alone the history.

474 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:22:56pm

I am going to visit my horses. I'll return later.

475 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:23:04pm

Best cat name I ever knew was "Moebius". For the way he twisted himself into topologically frightening shapes.

476 yochanan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:23:21pm

re: #474 ArmyWife

beer for your horses

477 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:23:35pm

re: #428 Sharmuta

Pet names are fun. I knew a cat named Trouble. He'd come running around the corner and we'd say, "here comes Trouble". And it stuck.

A friend named her dog Chaos.

She said she felt like a proud mommy, having got the dog to adulthood without her getting pregnant, and only a brief stint under house arrest. re: #469 Sharmuta

Actually, I got the idea for "Passive" and "Aggressive" from my uncle who once had two cats named "Mellow" and "Rowdy". He was surprised I remembered those cats.

I wanted to get a pair of puppies and name one "Sibling" and the other "Rivalry."

478 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:23:47pm

re: #475 Cato the Elder

Best cat name I ever knew was "Moebius". For the way he twisted himself into topologically frightening shapes.

That is a good cat name.

479 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:23:56pm

re: #467 doppelganglander

I know a rather racist joke revolving around a large wheel of cheese that plays on that pronunciation.

I told the woman who runs a little soul food carryout business across the street from where I work that she should have made it a Mexican restaurant and called it "Nacho Mama's". She loved it!

480 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:24:20pm

re: #471 Cato the Elder

That's "Dweezil" to you, buddy!

;^)

I stand corrected. Such a fine name, I need to take more care.

481 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:24:58pm
482 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:25:10pm

re: #365 Cato the Elder

My brother gave me the princely gift of the Modern Library's six-volume Gibbon for Christmas. It's the best out there for the price.

I will certainly keep that in mind, although increasingly I am trying to use the library for books I am pretty sure I will never read twice. Assuming, of course, the library even has it. (It also makes Kindle look good-- I think the complete version is available for about a buck.)

483 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:25:16pm

re: #408 KenJen

I knew a girl named Crystal Ball.

There is a kid in my daughters pre-school named Dunkin Hynes.

484 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:25:53pm

re: #475 Cato the Elder

Best cat name I ever knew was "Moebius". For the way he twisted himself into topologically frightening shapes.

Like this?

485 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:26:15pm

re: #413 freetoken

(besides his raving voice...)

I heard him on the radio for the first time just the other day. His voice sounds like a high-strung version of Mr. VanDriesen.

486 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:26:33pm

re: #478 SanFranciscoZionist

That is a good cat name.

It was my maternal grandfather's idea. Moebius was a big old mellow Siamese tom. His counterpart was a slim little Siamese female with the stereotypical raucous voice.

She was called Xantippe.

487 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:26:34pm

We had cats named "Bilbo" and "Ambrosius".

488 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:26:49pm

re: #477 Dianna

I had too cats, one black one grey. Both had white patches on their bellies. Both sisters and would go at it tooth and claw. Used to go to work covered in scratches, needless to say I named them Talon and Claw. Just couldn't go the full way with naming them.

489 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:27:05pm

re: #467 doppelganglander

I know a rather racist joke revolving around a large wheel of cheese that plays on that pronunciation.


If you tell it to the beat of Shaft, you can get away with it.

490 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:27:07pm

re: #484 Dianna

Like this?

Zackly!

491 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:27:12pm

Have a wunnerful, wunnerful weekend, y'all.
I am outta here.

492 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:27:22pm

re: #477 Dianna

I wanted to get a pair of puppies and name one "Sibling" and the other "Rivalry."

Well, we have a pair; they're standard poodles (53 and 63 lbs - large for poodles).
They play rough. They look like they're trying to kill each other, until you realize they're going for the nape of the neck, not the underside. And they'll drag each other around by the neck or collar.
But they're just big lap dogs.

493 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:27:33pm

re: #478 SanFranciscoZionist

That is a good cat name.

I think that calling somebody a Klein bottle rather than an asshat would be mathematically more elegant and superficially more politically correct, but it would require the same physical contortion.

494 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:27:48pm

re: #433 Shug

I had a dog named stay. He was really confused when I called him.

Come stay
Come stay

--Stephen Wright

I had a dog named Stainz.

Come Stainz
Come Stainz

; )

495 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:28:05pm

re: #468 opnion

Had to be trippin to get those names. Frank Zappa of course made the name your kid Hall of Fame with Moon Unit & Dweezal.

The thing is. Frank Zappa was very very anti-drug..He had a PH.D in music..
He would fire you from his band for just one joint Thus how Henry Vestine ended up in Canned Heat. He caught him smoking a joint. ( A monster on guitar) just flat out shit canned him...
All that stuff coming from Zappa's soul was pure...He really had a weird outlook on life..But it was 100% pure and crazy
RIP Frank

496 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:28:31pm

re: #445 Cattt

I would have gone for Chase. Chase Bono. Oh, maybe not.

If your gonna drastically change your anatomy do it with your name also. She should have gone for something manly like Bob.

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:28:45pm

re: #486 Cato the Elder

It was my maternal grandfather's idea. Moebius was a big old mellow Siamese tom. His counterpart was a slim little Siamese female with the stereotypical raucous voice.

She was called Xantippe.

I see the love for the classics runs in the family.

Siamese mixes are nice, they often get the pretty coloring without the nail-on-chalkboard voices.

498 Dianna  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:28:45pm

re: #492 Kosh's Shadow

My current pair (mutt and corgi) are reaching middle age, so they don't do that as much.

Though the corgi still runs laps.

499 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:28:46pm
500 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:28:54pm

re: #465 nikis-knight

Hmm, I've never mentioned my daugther's name here. I wonder if you'd all think it nice or strange.

If you don't think it would compromise your privacy, I'd love to know what it is.

501 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:28:57pm

re: #477 Dianna

I wanted to get a pair of puppies and name one "Sibling" and the other "Rivalry."

Cute!

One time my girlfriend sent me a card in the mail. It showed two ladies chatting over a picket fence with a dog house in the back ground. One lady is saying to the other, "I named him after my ex-boyfriend". The name on the dog house? "Fuck Face".

502 eon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:29:15pm

re: #484 Dianna

Like this?

Complete to the "What?" look in the eyes.

/As in "I'm fine- you look weird from here."

cheers

eon

503 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:29:39pm

re: #495 HoosierHoops

The thing is. Frank Zappa was very very anti-drug..He had a PH.D in music..
He would fire you from his band for just one joint Thus how Henry Vestine ended up in Canned Heat. He caught him smoking a joint. ( A monster on guitar) just flat out shit canned him...
All that stuff coming from Zappa's soul was pure...He really had a weird outlook on life..But it was 100% pure and crazy
RIP Frank

I didn't know that about him. He had some genuis in him.

504 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:30:05pm

re: #500 doppelganglander

It's in the post above yours, care to guess? ;)

505 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:31:16pm

re: #504 nikis-knight

It's in the post above yours, care to guess? ;)

Lark? If so, I think that's lovely.

506 haakondahl  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:31:19pm

re: #370 Cato the Elder

Ah. Never had that problem. My real name is a plain as a sixpenny nail.

I was almost named Zalodus. Considered naming my son Zebulon. Seriously thought abut Saburo, which sounds like an awesome Japanese name, until you learn that it literally means "third son".

507 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:32:01pm

OK. I have to go get real work done. See you all!

508 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:32:13pm

re: #506 haakondahl

I was almost named Zalodus. Considered naming my son Zebulon. Seriously thought abut Saburo, which sounds like an awesome Japanese name, until you learn that it literally means "third son".

If he was the fifth son, he could have been Quintus or Quinton.

509 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:32:15pm

re: #499 buzzsawmonkey

Quoting Sondheim? Upding every time.

510 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:32:58pm

re: #463 Cato the Elder

I recently talked to a customer service rep that I swear had to be a Russian made robot. Sounded like the robotic "popcorn"* lady with a Russian accent.

*the number you used to dial back in the day to get the time

511 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:33:06pm

re: #475 Cato the Elder

Best cat name I ever knew was "Moebius". For the way he twisted himself into topologically frightening shapes.

Was he silent?

512 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:33:28pm

re: #501 Sharmuta

Cute!

One time my girlfriend sent me a card in the mail. It showed two ladies chatting over a picket fence with a dog house in the back ground. One lady is saying to the other, "I named him after my ex-boyfriend". The name on the dog house? "Fuck Face".

So she was Layla from Repo Man?
That was her "affectionate" term for Otto.

513 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:33:32pm

re: #505 doppelganglander

Lark? If so, I think that's lovely.

Aye, that's it. Thank you.

514 KenJen  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:33:33pm

Didn't Nicolas Cage name his son after a Superman character?

515 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:34:08pm

re: #503 opnion

I didn't know that about him. He had some genuis in him.

Hey you! long time...Hope today finds you well..
Frank is one of those guys that everybody can quote a line from...
Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears Poncho? I mean everybody has a favorite Zappa quote...He was a genius...

516 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:34:23pm

re: #514 KenJen

Didn't Nicolas Cage name his son after a Superman character?

After Superman, actually - Kal-El.

517 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:34:38pm

re: #399 opnion

Must have used ACORNQrayon.

...fwiw, better the beast we know. Look at our vunderbar prize.

518 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:35:23pm

re: #482 transient

I will certainly keep that in mind, although increasingly I am trying to use the library for books I am pretty sure I will never read twice. Assuming, of course, the library even has it. (It also makes Kindle look good-- I think the complete version is available for about a buck.)

The trouble with Kindle for books like that - and one of the reasons I'm still trying to make up my mind whether to keep my unit - is that it doesn't do very well with complex layouts and footnotes, not to mention quotations in Greek - of which Gibbon is full. This is not really the fault of the hardware, but for someone who reads multiple languages it's a comedown.

The quality of Kindle layouts (and accuracy, number of typos, bad punctuation, etc.) varies enormously from e-publisher to e-publisher. If a book is past copyright and available in multiple editions, it pays to download samples of all of them and compare. Price is often no indicator of quality.

For the future I'd like to see software that could not only handle the above issues better but also different fonts to match the ones most frequently used in printed editions. As a bibliophile I'm sensitive to the typographic presentation of a work; it becomes part of the experience of the read. Seeing everything in the same type - well, you get used to it, but Proust should look different from Orwell, dammit!

519 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:35:42pm

re: #515 HoosierHoops

Hey you! long time...Hope today finds you well..
Frank is one of those guys that everybody can quote a line from...
Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears Poncho? I mean everybody has a favorite Zappa quote...He was a genius...

Im fine Hoops, hope that you are having a great Friday & good plans for the weekend.

520 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:35:50pm

re: #514 KenJen

Didn't Nicolas Cage name his son after a Superman character?

Kal-El.

521 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:37:44pm

re: #519 opnion

Im fine Hoops, hope that you are having a great Friday & good plans for the weekend.

Flying up north next week to go fishing, boating and drinking bud light...
I'll try to be good...
Regards

522 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:38:18pm

re: #511 Cattt

Was he silent?

He was pretty quiet, but his mate was another matter. See above.

523 Red Pencil  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:38:30pm

re: #135 ihateronpaul

I was permanently banned from the mark levin fan forum for pointing out that Buchanan is a closet fascist

cool, huh!

Bizarre, is more like it. Given Pat's writings (Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War, the title says it all!) I'd say the door on THAT particular closet has been wide open for a while.

524 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:38:38pm
525 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:39:36pm

re: #521 HoosierHoops

Flying up north next week to go fishing, boating and drinking bud light...
I'll try to be good...
Regards


Enjoy. I am actually going to a Kindergarten graduation.
Seems odd, but whatever.

526 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:39:38pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

Sony Reader supports PDF embedded fonts. Kindle format doesn't?

527 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:41:19pm

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

I see the love for the classics runs in the family.

Siamese mixes are nice, they often get the pretty coloring without the nail-on-chalkboard voices.

I had a Siamese-Persian tom named Pushkin. (Yes, it's a family trait.) He was the coolest cat. Lived to be over seventeen years. When he stopped being able to groom himself as thoroughly as he wanted, my dog took to giving him tongue baths. He loved it.

Getting a little choked up here. Time for a Kindle break.

See you guys!

528 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:41:30pm

re: #524 buzzsawmonkey

Northern lights?

There won't be any because of this.
No Sunspots, no northern lights.

529 opnion  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:42:03pm

re: #523 Red Pencil

Bizarre, is more like it. Given Pat's writings (Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War, the title says it all!) I'd say the door on THAT particular closet has been wide open for a while.

There is a school of thought that believes that if France would have forgiven Germany's World War Two debt that there never would have been a Hitler.
I doubt that, that is what he means?

530 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:42:39pm

re: #494 Truck Monkey

I had a dog named Stainz.

Come Stainz
Come Stainz

; )

God. Now I want to tell the Free Show joke. Bites tongue.

531 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:43:09pm

re: #524 buzzsawmonkey

Northern lights?

Hehehe
I got a cabin on Lake Tomahawk, Wisc.. I spend a week a month there till Oct.
Then we close it up...
At 5am in the morning when I look up at a Bald Eagle flying over the boat...I get inspired, My batteries get recharged and life just get sweeter..
I throw all the fish back..I'm not really there to fish the lake...I am into Fish Zen...And bud light...
Hi Buzz!

532 Aye Pod  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:43:42pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

Not to mention the lack of memory evoking food stains on the pages of old favourites. An oxtail soup stain on page 53 of Borges 'Labyrinths' can bring back a whole day from 1992 for me.

533 yochanan  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #490 Cato the Elder

[Link: cheezburger.com...]

534 Aye Pod  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:44:40pm

Attack of the new thread.

535 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:45:38pm
536 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:45:40pm

re: #384 Shug

What's the difference between an Irish Wedding and an Irish Wake?

One less drunk

Hello Shug.

537 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:45:40pm
538 transient  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:46:19pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

The trouble with Kindle for books like that - and one of the reasons I'm still trying to make up my mind whether to keep my unit - is that it doesn't do very well with complex layouts and footnotes, not to mention quotations in Greek - of which Gibbon is full. This is not really the fault of the hardware, but for someone who reads multiple languages it's a comedown.

The quality of Kindle layouts (and accuracy, number of typos, bad punctuation, etc.) varies enormously from e-publisher to e-publisher. If a book is past copyright and available in multiple editions, it pays to download samples of all of them and compare. Price is often no indicator of quality.

For the future I'd like to see software that could not only handle the above issues better but also different fonts to match the ones most frequently used in printed editions. As a bibliophile I'm sensitive to the typographic presentation of a work; it becomes part of the experience of the read. Seeing everything in the same type - well, you get used to it, but Proust should look different from Orwell, dammit!

Good to know.
I also got a sense from the user comments that there was some difference in presentation and ease of use with diffferent versions of Kindle and different versions of the e-book. I haven't been much tempted to buy it yet, especially if there is no real cost savings with bestsellers, but it would be great to be able to download classics for very cheap. Some books aren't even carried in the local library anymore--and how many can read Gibbon or Tolstoy without having to renew?!

I certainly understand wanting to read foreign language quotations. I think I'd want to be able to see them, even if I didn't understand the language.

I appreciate your point about fonts, though I'm not fussy myself. But some are just tiring. I particularly dislike Times New Roman.

539 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:47:20pm

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Enjoy yourself thoroughly, and watch out for Hodags.

I do not believe you know that...Fuck.Who are you dude? :)

Kind regards.

540 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:48:12pm
541 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:49:50pm

re: #526 Cattt

Sony Reader supports PDF embedded fonts. Kindle format doesn't?

Depends on what version. Kindle 2 converts PDFs into image files broken up into pages that look more or less like the original. But you can't do anything other than read them, because as images they aren't searchable and you can't use the dictionary feature to look up words. And the page breaks are problematic. It beats reading an entire 140-pp. PDF at your desk, but only just.

The DX apparently supports native PDF format, but I don't know to what extent - just as images? Searchable? Anyway if I keep the Kindle I'll skip the next two or three generations when they'll surely come out with some rad improvements, then buy the lastest model but one. That's what I always do with tech stuff. The new iPhone is so marginal in its improvements, I'll wait until my 3G dies before getting anything different.

Cheers, all!

542 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:50:08pm

Look, I am fully aware that Mark Levin does not run that forum. However, I find it bizarre how the administrator of that forum bans me every time I point out buchanan is a closet racist. I don't care if Mark if a "pet guy", I care that mark endorses WND kook Jerome Corsi.

Because in the grand scale of things, the latter matters a lot more than the former. And levin is against moderate republicans, he represents regression not progress.

543 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:50:28pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Female (pronounced Fe-molly). She thought the nurses named her child.

That's worse than Lemonjello (prounced Lemanjulo) and his brother Orangejello (pronounced Oranjulo).

544 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 2:52:20pm
545 freetoken  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 3:00:17pm

re: #542 ihateronpaul

tfk is the Levin fan around here... tell him, maybe he can do something about it.

546 Red Pencil  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 3:13:46pm

re: #529 opnion

There is a school of thought that believes that if France would have forgiven Germany's World War Two debt that there never would have been a Hitler.
I doubt that, that is what he means?

No, nothing that nuanced. It was that England, France et al. failed to understand the legitimacy of Hitler's "need" for Poland, and such.

Hitler had not wanted war with Poland. He had wanted an alliance with Poland in his anti-Comintern pact against Joseph Stalin.

But the Poles refused to negotiate. Why? Because they were a proud, defiant, heroic people and because Neville Chamberlain had insanely given an unsolicited war guarantee to Poland. If Hitler invaded, Chamberlain told the Poles, Britain would declare war on Germany.

From March to August 1939, Hitler tried to negotiate Danzig. But the Poles, confident in their British war guarantee, refused. So, Hitler cut his deal with Stalin, and the two invaded and divided Poland.

Pat Buchanan on poor misunderstood Nazis who should've been appeased more fully

In other words, ya see, Hitler just needed this anti-Communist bulwark on his Eastern flank, right? And since the West wouldn't just let him TAKE Poland, why, he had to cut a deal with the Commies for it! It's simple, really...

547 cagney  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 3:24:36pm

Grunaid is trying to compare the BNP to politics in Israel

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

548 Aye Pod  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 4:32:44pm

re: #547 cagney

Typical Guardian, unfortunately.

549 cagney  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 4:51:09pm

re: #548 Jimmah

Absolute scum.

550 mystry  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:01:54pm

I cannot believe all this fuss with Irish names. Now I grew up in a Irish neighborhood in the early 50's. I was born before WWII. The Catholic Parish was called believe or not Saint Patrick's. The name Patty was understood to be Saint Patrick's day. Pure and simple. the Irish brogue was very heavy as most kids were from 1st. generation parents. Now as for "Katty." and all names that came from that, the real Christian name was Kathaleen. I had Two girls in my class and that is the spelling that their mothers gave to them.

551 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:37:05pm

re: #487 Sharmuta

We had cats named "Bilbo" and "Ambrosius".

If I had a cat named Ambrosius; I'd buy a scratching post, and name the post "Theodosius".

552 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:44:51pm
553 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:56:13pm

OK Everyone -

"Brother Buchanan" has ISSUES - lots of them. That is all.

-S-

554 Fierce Guppy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:31:00pm

Some Grey Bloke gets a visit from the BNP.

Tony.

555 ihateronpaul  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:06am

re: #545 freetoken

tfk is the Levin fan around here... tell him, maybe he can do something about it.

I enjoy listening to Mark Levin a lot too, but I can see obvious flaws in what he does. He attempts to cast out an ideology which is basically the republican version of move on's idea of strict partisanship, with no compromise, of course that means the republicans will stop losing elections. Ideas like reagan's "11th commandment" have brought the republicans to a standstill.

556 ihateronpaul  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:45am

re: #555 ihateronpaul

I enjoy listening to Mark Levin a lot too, but I can see obvious flaws in what he does. He attempts to cast out an ideology which is basically the republican version of move on's idea of strict partisanship, with no compromise, of course that means the republicans will stop losing elections. Ideas like reagan's "11th commandment" have brought the republicans to a standstill.

I mean that they will keep losing elections. Especially if they stay strictly socially conservative like how Mark wants them to be.

557 EaterOfFood  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:28:48am

re: #555 ihateronpaulIdeas like reagan's "11th commandment" have brought the republicans to a standstill.

Calling John McCain a "RINO" wasn't exactly observing that commandment.


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