Saturday Afternoon Music: Patty Griffin, ‘Making Pies’

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Music • Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 3:26 pm PDT • Views: 251

From Patty Griffin’s excellent album 1000 Kisses, a live in-studio performance of “Making Pies”.

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1 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:27:30pm

I love her dress.

2 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:34:23pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

I love her dress.

Are you serious?

3 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:34:31pm

I love her guitar..Gibson Hummingbird

4 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:37:11pm

Hmmm.

I was going to link Whole Lotta Love (sung by the only guy I know of who can actually sing it today), but I sense that now is not the time.

5 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:37:58pm

re: #4 Cattt

Hmmm.

I was going to link Whole Lotta Love (sung by the only guy I know of who can actually sing it today), but I sense that now is not the time.

you need coolin

6 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:40:38pm

re: #5 albusteve

you need coolin

You're not foolin'. :D

OK - I'm linking it.

[Link: adam-lambert.org...]

7 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:43:09pm

re: #6 Cattt

You're not foolin'. :D

OK - I'm linking it.

[Link: adam-lambert.org...]

wtf was that?...I mean...?

8 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:44:36pm

re: #7 albusteve

wtf was that?...I mean...?

So - how long have you lived at the south pole?

9 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:45:28pm

These links are cool.We got Mat Kearney on the ad on the right side...
Beats the hell out of Muslim dating service...

10 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:46:47pm

south pole rock and roll

Youtube Video
11 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:46:54pm

re: #2 Cathypop

Well- it's green, and I can't resist green dresses. Plus, it would look better on me.

12 Bloodnok  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:46:57pm

re: #6 Cattt

You're not foolin'. :D

OK - I'm linking it.

[Link: adam-lambert.org...]

So that's who he is. First time I had seen or heard him.

13 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:47:50pm

re: #9 HoosierHoops

These links are cool.We got Mat Kearney on the ad on the right side...
Beats the hell out of Muslim dating service...

I have the guy who lost 220 pounds - keep hoping he'll accidentally drop those huge trousers he's standing in to show the weight loss. Smirk.

14 Last Mohican  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #9 HoosierHoops

These links are cool.We got Mat Kearney on the ad on the right side...
Beats the hell out of Muslim dating service...

Maybe that hot chick with the red headscarf finally met the right Mr. Right. Damn, I knew I should have called her sooner.

15 Last Mohican  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:48:26pm

re: #12 Bloodnok

So that's who he is. First time I had seen or heard him.

Me too.

16 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:49:10pm

Free societies have great music and sexy fashions (Romanian example).

Power to the Correct People!
(They foster creativity.)

17 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:49:47pm

re: #15 Last Mohican

Me too.

me three...I hope it's the last time too...there should be rules about that type of crime

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:50:07pm

re: #13 Cattt

Have you seen Walter's new pic on his avatar? Lost over 200 lbs. Doesn't look like the same guy.

19 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:50:19pm

I wonder who is going to eat all those pies.

20 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:50:38pm

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you seen Walter's new pic on his avatar? Lost over 200 lbs. Doesn't look like the same guy.

all sleight of hand...don't be fooled

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:51:13pm

re: #20 albusteve

Less hand moving food to mouth, anyway.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:51:28pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

There's pie?

23 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:51:46pm

ROP strikes again:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:52:06pm

Teaser For Untitled Michael Moore Bailout Doc

Youtube Video


Yeah, wait...what?

25 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:52:09pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's pie?

mmm pie...Apple pie...mmm

26 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:52:09pm

ok, sometimes things get a little out of hand...but it is Freedom!

27 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:52:19pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The lady's singing she's making pies because it's better than crying or dying.

28 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:53:28pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Less hand moving food to mouth, anyway.


On the LNDT he mentioned how much he would drink. Can't remember the exact amount but it would put me out for quite a few days.

29 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:54:27pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

The lady's singing she's making pies because it's better than crying or dying.

she could scarf a few...maybe get rid of that chicken neck

30 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:55:00pm

re: #10 albusteve

south pole rock and roll



I do love South Pole Rock and Roll!

31 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:55:01pm

1000 kisses.

Cato will settle for one.

32 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:55:13pm

re: #10 albusteve

That isn't south pole rock. THIS is south pole rock.

33 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:56:06pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Ah, now it makes sense...
First look: Michael Moore goes after Wall Street in next film

Wall Street robber barons are Moore's new on-screen enemy.

"The movie is not going to be an economics lesson; it's going to be more like a vampire movie," the filmmaker jokes. "Instead of the main characters feasting on the blood of their victims, they feast on the money. And they never seem to get enough of it."

34 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:56:37pm

re: #32 Cattt

That isn't south pole rock. THIS is south pole rock.

looks like rotting penguins...I call faux

35 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:57:27pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout
Will this movie have a lot of green poo?

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:58:11pm

re: #23 tradewind

What's up with that? Change to my religion or I'll rape you?

That the "Crazy Bastard" religion?

37 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:58:13pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Ah, now it makes sense...
First look: Michael Moore goes after Wall Street in next film

check his stock portfolio...he's a flaming hypocrit

38 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:58:59pm

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you seen Walter's new pic on his avatar? Lost over 200 lbs. Doesn't look like the same guy.

Yeah - and it's awesome. I've lost 35 pounds and feel a LOT better - want to lose another 20 at least. Over 200 is remarkable to lose. What got me going was the damn sciatica in my right leg. Pain will do that.

39 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:59:37pm

re: #37 albusteve

As I recall he has Halliburton stock. Probably oil companies too. They all do.

40 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #34 albusteve

looks like rotting penguins...I call faux

GWAR? Faux? You mean that stuff they sprayed at us at the last concert wasn't blood? :D

41 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:59:52pm

re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Part of their mission statement.
Winning hearts and minds, one sexual assault at a time...

42 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:00:46pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

As I recall he has Halliburton stock. Probably oil companies too. They all do.

yup...nothing wrong otherwise with the guy except people believe his smack

43 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:00:46pm

re: #41 tradewind

Nice! Hehehehehehahahahaha.

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:01:50pm

re: #38 Cattt

I kinda noticed. You're lookin' hot!

I'd weigh 100lbs more if I were a meat eater.

45 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:01:51pm

re: #40 Cattt

GWAR? Faux? You mean that stuff they sprayed at us at the last concert wasn't blood? :D

well that probably was...get a work up

46 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:02:10pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

The lady's singing she's making pies because it's better than crying or dying.

Charles, hon, our tastes differ sooo much, except for NiN and Bela Fleck and the Flecktones.

47 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:02:32pm

re: #45 albusteve

well that probably was...get a work up

You are so square you are cubic. :D

48 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:02:56pm

re: #47 Cattt

You are so square you are cubic. :D

Cubics Rube

49 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:03:37pm

re: #6 Cattt

You're not foolin'. :D

OK - I'm linking it.

[Link: adam-lambert.org...]

Holy crap!
I don't watch American Idol - I had heard of Adam, but had not heard him sing.
Kid will be a star.

50 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:03:48pm

In case anyone would be interested by a quick peek into the heart of nirther craziness today...I give you the WND forums!

Poll: What do you think of Shepard Smith calling eligibility skeptics 'crazies'?

Somebody from Fox News calling right-wingers "crazies"? Priceless!

He's right - what's the problem?

Shep nailed it - I have new respect for Fox News

His comments were just window dressing for Fox's right-wing agenda

Controversy sells - it was a smart marketing move on his part

He's just one voice on Fox

It looks like Fox has one house liberal

Whatever happened to "fair and balanced"?

It looks like he's brushing up on his resume for MSNBC

Shepard Smith is a loose cannon

His good poise and great facial structure overshadow his analytical abilities

He doesn't even demonstrate journalistic curiosity about legitimate questions over Obama's eligibility

Other

I'll post the results of that in a minute, if people are interested.

Bonus fun fact: they're claiming that Fox News--yes, all of Fox News-- is part of a leftist plot.

51 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:03:52pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's pie?

I want pecan, if there's a choice.

52 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:04:32pm

re: #49 reine.de.tout

Holy crap!
I don't watch American Idol - I had heard of Adam, but had not heard him sing.
Kid will be a star.

He rocks...I heard Queen is going to hire him to take Freddie's place

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:06:01pm

re: #52 HoosierHoops

Great voice... everything sounds the same to me. He's amazing, but he's as predictable as the greatest singer of all time...

Barry Manilow.

54 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:06:06pm

re: #50 iceweasel

I stopped by Free Republic earlier. They're doing the same thing.

55 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:06:09pm

re: #46 Cattt

Charles, hon, our tastes differ sooo much, except for NiN and Bela Fleck and the Flecktones.

Charles has excellent taste, very eclectic...where the whole thing falls apart is his obvious reluctance to post a Stones vid...so I do it for him...

Youtube Video
56 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:06:46pm

re: #49 reine.de.tout

Holy crap!
I don't watch American Idol - I had heard of Adam, but had not heard him sing.
Kid will be a star.

really...what a shame eh?

57 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:06:53pm

Pie

/LGF tradition, pie

58 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:07:20pm

re: #49 reine.de.tout

Holy crap!
I don't watch American Idol - I had heard of Adam, but had not heard him sing.
Kid will be a star.

Oh, yeah.

I watched The View talk about why he came in second to Kris Allen - one reason they came up with was that he didn't talk about his Christian faith. That was probably because he's Jewish - you'd think The View would know that - or maybe not.

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:07:24pm

re: #55 albusteve

You're a Stones fan?

60 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:07:27pm

re: #52 HoosierHoops

He rocks...I heard Queen is going to hire him to take Freddie's place

HH - he made it look effortless.
As one who cannot sing a single note - I am in absolute awe of people who can sing. How wonderful it must be. And this guy made it look easy.

61 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:07:46pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Great voice... everything sounds the same to me. He's amazing, but he's as predictable as the greatest singer of all time...

you stole my upcoming joke...damn you

62 Last Mohican  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:08:13pm

re: #57 Killian Bundy

Pie

/LGF tradition, pie

That just proves my point. Everything can be found somewhere on the internet, if you look hard enough.

63 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:08:30pm

re: #58 Cattt

Oh, yeah.

I watched The View talk about why he came in second to Kris Allen - one reason they came up with was that he didn't talk about his Christian faith. That was probably because he's Jewish - you'd think The View would know that - or maybe not.

LOL. I'm guessing not.
sheesh.
I don't watch the View. Cannot stomach it.

64 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:08:31pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're a Stones fan?

I AM the Stones...it's weird sometimes

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:08:33pm

re: #61 albusteve

you stole my upcoming joke...damn you

Manilow Rocks!

I'm a Fanilow.

66 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:08:39pm

re: #43 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And today they celebrated one of their earliest heart/mind flips...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

67 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:09:49pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

I stopped by Free Republic earlier. They're doing the same thing.

Are they claiming that Fox News is part of a liberal conspiracy? I've been afraid to go over there...

here's a comment over on WingNutDaily forums:

"Fox TV" is a leftist psyop attempting to attract conservatives or conservative leaning people into believing that they actually have an alternative to the monolithic leftist mind control over every aspect of American life (and globally). Other than a small amount on AM radio and some on the internet - conservatives (and brainwashed liberal fascists who might be capable of independent thought) have no access to truth.

News reader Shepard Smith just confirmed this by blaming true conservative America for the terror crime and murder committed by a leftist drone. Just like the "mainstream media" - all biased, anti-US, anti-white-Christian, opinion - no facts.

Anyone who takes anything the "mainstream media" reports as reality or claims that someone like R. Murdoch is "far right" is a sure indicator that she is another brainwashed zombie of the far left liberal fascist world view.

here's another:

You have a good,normal inquiring mind and that's more than anyone can say about Shepard Smith! RE to the FEMA camps, there are about 600 currently scattered throughout the United States, some able to hold up to one million people! Google: "FEMA INTERNMENT CAMPS"! While you are at it also Google: "FEMA COFFINS" and draw your own conclusions! Videos are available among the many websites concerning both issues! All this purchased with OUR tax dollars while mainstream America sleeps soundly!

68 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:10:34pm

re: #51 Cattt

I made a from-scratch black bottom pie last week, and it took more time and effort than almost anything I've baked... and I'm not a bad cook.
Worth it, though. Chocolate and ginger cookie crust, dark chocolate custard layer, rum custard layer, and whipped cream and shaved chocolate on top.
None left after the dinner party, dammit.

69 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:10:34pm

re: #58 Cattt

Oh, yeah.

I watched The View talk about why he came in second to Kris Allen - one reason they came up with was that he didn't talk about his Christian faith. That was probably because he's Jewish - you'd think The View would know that - or maybe not.

it was his bad hair and mascara obviously...don't spin it

70 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:10:58pm

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Manilow Rocks!

I'm a Fanilow.

I got stuck in a car with that Copa Cabana song playing once and actually kind of liked it. True confessions.

71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:11:28pm

re: #68 tradewind

I am finding you very attractive right now.

72 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:11:39pm

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Manilow Rocks!

I'm a Fanilow.

if it sticks use it...RALF!

73 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:11:46pm

re: #69 albusteve

it was his bad hair and mascara obviously...don't spin it

I thought he had a sort of Elvis look to him. In spite of the mascara.

74 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:12:30pm

re: #68 tradewind

I made a from-scratch black bottom pie last week, and it took more time and effort than almost anything I've baked... and I'm not a bad cook.
Worth it, though. Chocolate and ginger cookie crust, dark chocolate custard layer, rum custard layer, and whipped cream and shaved chocolate on top.
None left after the dinner party, dammit.

Aw, hell.
You cannot come on here and tell us about this wonderful pie, and not have any to offer us!
Don't you know the rules?

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:12:36pm

re: #73 reine.de.tout

Uhmmm. It's "Guy-liner".

76 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:13:06pm

re: #69 albusteve

it was his bad hair and mascara obviously...don't spin it

Bad hair! He has awesome hair. And girls love guyliner. :D

77 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:13:13pm

Whats up Lizards?

78 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:13:19pm

re: #73 reine.de.tout

I thought he had a sort of Elvis look to him. In spite of the mascara.

you are treading on hallowed turf...don't be cruel

79 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:13:36pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

As I recall he has Halliburton stock. Probably oil companies too. They all do.

Wouldn't surprise me.

On the other hand, somebody needs to make a movie about these things.

Wells Fargo loan officers guided minorities toward high-rate mortgages and joked that they were "riding the stagecoach to hell" for routinely steering prime-loan-qualified customers toward subprime loans, according to sworn declarations by two former employees, filed in federal court this week.

[...]

Another former bank employee, Elizabeth Jacobson, a top Wells Fargo subprime loan officer, outlined techniques she and others used to turn prime borrowers into subprime borrowers, including talking them into borrowing the full amount even if they could afford a large down payment.

The rot went - pardon me, goes - all the way from the hedge funds at the top to the loan officers at the bottom. I could call in witnesses of my own from the time I worked as an editor for financial advice newsletters.

People need to go to jail. Unfortunately it'll end up being low-level idiots like Lynndie England who'll take the heat for the big guys that made - make - it all possible. And Madoff. One or two scapegoats and we're done.

'Twas ever thus, as my grandpa would have said.

80 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:13:45pm

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uhmmm. It's "Guy-liner".

Ah. Excuse me.
I'm not a fan of "guy-liner", but I thought it suited him OK. He's young, he will be an over-the-top entertainer, he can get away with stuff.

81 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:14:04pm

re: #76 Cattt

Bad hair! He has awesome hair. And girls love guyliner. :D

I wanted to slap him...girlymon

82 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:14:29pm

re: #69 albusteve

BS. Adam lost it because a) his style is not everyone's thing, and b) the adorable guy who won it got all the votes from the people who wanted the third place guy, Danny Gokey, to win.
There might have been a touch of homophobia in there, after Adam in drag was posted on the web prior to the finals.

83 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:14:59pm

re: #51 Cattt

I want pecan, if there's a choice.

Touch my chocolate cream pie and you'll get forkmarks on the back of your hand.

84 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:15:15pm

re: #80 reine.de.tout

Ah. Excuse me.
I'm not a fan of "guy-liner", but I thought it suited him OK. He's young, he will be an over-the-top entertainer, he can get away with stuff.

You remind me of work. Hyphens are a big deal there. Here, I can portmanteau words if I want to. Nya nyanya. :D

85 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:15:45pm

re: #83 debutaunt

Touch my chocolate cream pie and you'll get forkmarks on the back of your hand.

I really did that once. ;)

86 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:07pm

re: #81 albusteve

I wanted to slap him...girlymon

Jealous. :D

87 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:08pm

re: #84 Cattt

You remind me of work. Hyphens are a big deal there. Here, I can portmanteau words if I want to. Nya nyanya. :D

aw, puh-leeze.
I remind you of work?
Did you intend to ruin my day?

88 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:15pm

Note to Self: do not touch debutaunt's pie.

89 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:28pm

re: #81 albusteve

Girls don't love guyliner, unless they're watching Cats or Lost.
The black fingernail polish was a little too much, since Goth is so eighties. Adam was sort of a time warp walking.

90 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:55pm

re: #82 tradewind

BS. Adam lost it because a) his style is not everyone's thing, and b) the adorable guy who won it got all the votes from the people who wanted the third place guy, Danny Gokey, to win.
There might have been a touch of homophobia in there, after Adam in drag was posted on the web prior to the finals.

I'm pleased to admit I hardly know what you are talking about...if it has anything to do with artificial, reality shows...I'm not at all hip

91 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:55pm

re: #67 iceweasel

Ouch. That hurt my brain.

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:16:56pm

re: #82 tradewind

More Gokey than the gay thing. I didn't give a shit about the gay, other than he was able to "gay up" a KISS song.

93 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:17:20pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

aw, puh-leeze.
I remind you of work?
Did you intend to ruin my day?

Sorry. No. :D

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:18:03pm

re: #83 debutaunt

Touch my chocolate cream pie and you'll get forkmarks on the back of your hand.

Touch mine and you'll draw back a nub!

95 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:18:08pm

re: #88 Sharmuta

Note to Self: do not touch debutaunt's pie.

I have a magnet on my freezer, a message to my family:
NOTE: Before taking the last of the ice cream, ask yourself: What Is Your Life Worth?

96 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:18:19pm

re: #93 Cattt

Sorry. No. :D

:-)

97 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:18:44pm

re: #68 tradewind

I made a from-scratch black bottom pie last week, and it took more time and effort than almost anything I've baked... and I'm not a bad cook.
Worth it, though. Chocolate and ginger cookie crust, dark chocolate custard layer, rum custard layer, and whipped cream and shaved chocolate on top.
None left after the dinner party, dammit.

*drooling*

98 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:18:48pm

re: #82 tradewind

BS. Adam lost it because a) his style is not everyone's thing, and b) the adorable guy who won it got all the votes from the people who wanted the third place guy, Danny Gokey, to win.
There might have been a touch of homophobia in there, after Adam in drag was posted on the web prior to the finals.

I think Kris got the Gokey vote and also that Kris Allen-friendly fans were more likely to be AI viewers. I've never watched the show in my life.

99 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:19:03pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout

I have a magnet on my freezer, a message to my family:
NOTE: Before taking the last of the ice cream, ask yourself: What Is Your Life Worth?

LOL
That's good Reine!

100 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:19:25pm

re: #74 reine.de.tout
Sorry.. somebody said ' pie', and I had the flashback.

101 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:19:35pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Touch mine and you'll draw back a nub!

It would be worth it - and I am sneaky and might get away with it anyhoo. :D

102 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:21:15pm

Note to Self: do not touch debutaunt's pie. Or Reine's ice cream. Or Fat Bastard's pie- or cake. Do not pass go.

103 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:21:45pm

Hello Callahan. ;D
Sup Hoops, arent you supposed to be at the cabin?

104 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:22:22pm

re: #89 tradewind

Girls don't love guyliner, unless they're watching Cats or Lost.
The black fingernail polish was a little too much, since Goth is so eighties. Adam was sort of a time warp walking.

Not true. I know tons of people who are into that. It's evolving classic.

On the other hand, you mentioned pie, and so I should agree with you on the off-chance pie will become available. :D

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:22:32pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

Note to Self: do not touch debutaunt's pie. Or Reine's ice cream. Or Fat Bastard's pie- or cake. Do not pass go.

CAKE OR DEATH!

106 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:23:17pm

re: #103 DEZes

Hello Callahan. ;D
Sup Hoops, arent you supposed to be at the cabin?

Wazza up! Flying up monday morning to the Cabin...

107 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:23:40pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

Note to Self: do not touch debutaunt's pie. Or Reine's ice cream. Or Fat Bastard's pie- or cake. Do not pass go.

I'll share...keeps me buff and chics dig that

108 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:23:42pm

I am so having a sweets craving right now. Wonder why that is?
bbiab

109 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:23:54pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Wazza up! Flying up monday morning to the Cabin...

Ah, do have a safe trip.

110 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:24:09pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Wazza up! Flying up monday morning to the Cabin...

do you fish?

111 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:24:12pm

I have no snack food!

112 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:24:12pm

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'Gay up a Kiss song 'is like saying you could skank up Paris Hilton.
It's there already...
:)
I thought he was a good performer, and he could play it perfectly straight when he wanted to, as he did several times before the final.
Not much of an AI fan, but there were two local girls in the top twelve, so a lot of people from here tuned in.
What I don't get is why anyone would want to watch the auditions. Not funny, not entertaining, just a real bore.

113 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:24:31pm

re: #103 DEZes

Hello Callahan. ;D
Sup Hoops, arent you supposed to be at the cabin?

Hi (DEZes) - how are ya today?
On the Hoopster, he'll be going out to the lake on Monday as I understood.

114 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:25:46pm

The teevee switch yesterday - I didn't notice it. Haven't turned my set on in over a year. The box with the converter my family gave me is still unopened. My life has improved tremendously. This morning in the paper some people who couldn't figure it out said they'd just stop watching. A glorious development. The Tube is mind rot. Forget cameras and spyware. All they need to do is fill your synapses with quick cuts, Jack Bauer and sensational stories about Paris Hilton's crotch and your IQ drops 20 points a year.

Sweet freedom!

115 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:25:48pm

re: #113 callahan23

Hi (DEZes) - how are ya today?
On the Hoopster, he'll be going out to the lake on Monday as I understood.

I had to work a damn Saterday, other than that I am rolling.
How are ya getting along?

116 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:25:57pm

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Manilow Rocks!

I'm a Fanilow.

Please tell me you're kidding.
Manilow: Blecchh.

117 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:26:18pm

re: #110 albusteve

do you fish?

Big time.I have a fishing Cabin on Lake Tomahawk...I will be spending a week a month there till Oct. Every year..It's the same thing...It's paradise

118 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:27:10pm

re: #114 Cato the Elder

I love not being beholden to the idiot box.

119 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:27:16pm

re: #112 tradewind

'Gay up a Kiss song 'is like saying you could skank up Paris Hilton.
It's there already...
:)
I thought he was a good performer, and he could play it perfectly straight when he wanted to, as he did several times before the final.
Not much of an AI fan, but there were two local girls in the top twelve, so a lot of people from here tuned in.
What I don't get is why anyone would want to watch the auditions. Not funny, not entertaining, just a real bore.

I've never watched the show, but I think it's a good thing - entertains people and gives talented performers a shot at the big brass ring. Even those who don't win get out there, and a number of them have done well.

120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:28:03pm

re: #112 tradewind

I watched it for the first time this year. Best friend and wife were into it. Hey! Free booze!

I loved Allison. Thought she was the most promising of the bunch.

121 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:28:25pm

re: #117 HoosierHoops

Big time.I have a fishing Cabin on Lake Tomahawk...I will be spending a week a month there till Oct. Every year..It's the same thing...It's paradise

tough fishing in NM...world class trout streams if you get there early...I miss inland fishing in Michigan...panfish, smallmouth, walleye

122 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:28:26pm

re: #97 debutaunt

It was the best. But dammit, the recipe did not indicate ' this will take a long time, mess up a lot of kitchen tools, and you won't wanna do it again any time soon'. So it goes into the archives as one of those ' only for special people/occasions/' thangs.

123 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:28:35pm

re: #118 Sharmuta

I love not being beholden to the idiot box.

I just realized I cant watch TV, No converter box. ;)

124 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:28:42pm

re: #116 Jim in Virginia

Barely Manenough.

125 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:29:16pm

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I watched it for the first time this year. Best friend and wife were into it. Hey! Free booze!

I loved Allison. Thought she was the most promising of the bunch.

Where do you get the free booze. They are not advertising that this comes with the show.

126 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:29:20pm

Remember the song You Light Up My Life? I saw a guy almost go postal once when it came on the radio one time too many.

127 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:30:25pm

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do like listening to that Simon guy insult Paula Abdul... he's so droll. And she so deserves it.

128 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:30:37pm

re: #115 DEZes

I had to work a damn Saterday, other than that I am rolling.
How are ya getting along?

I know, I know I am sorry.
I went on the 'prowl' tonight to no avail. Other than that just my usual cheery self.
Oh, I forgot this. I am deeply worrying about him.

129 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:30:37pm

re: #122 tradewind

Please give the recipe to Reine for the LGF cookbook. I want to try it.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:30:38pm

re: #116 Jim in Virginia

Please tell me you're kidding.
Manilow: Blecchh.

Nobody watched "The Love Boat" either!

131 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:30:45pm

re: #122 tradewind

It was the best. But dammit, the recipe did not indicate ' this will take a long time, mess up a lot of kitchen tools, and you won't wanna do it again any time soon'. So it goes into the archives as one of those ' only for special people/occasions/' thangs.

That's like when I make chili relenos. They are awesome, but every pan is dirty, the mixer is dirty, the broiler is dirty, and every surface in the kitchen is dirty afterwards.

132 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:31:01pm

re: #118 Sharmuta

I love not being beholden to the idiot box.

football in the fall...that's all a TV is good for

133 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:31:20pm

re: #126 Cattt

Remember the song You Light Up My Life? I saw a guy almost go postal once when it came on the radio one time too many.

Hmm. Reminds me of the overnight thread motto. In this case what makes someone angry might indicate what he lacks.

Or it could just be the song. I'm physically allergic to Whitney singing "I Will Always Love You"...

134 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:31:39pm

re: #127 tradewind

I do like listening to that Simon guy insult Paula Abdul... he's so droll. And she so deserves it.

I'd do her. Jusy sayin'. Hi ya all!

135 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:31:46pm

re: #123 DEZes

I just realized I cant watch TV, No converter box. ;)

You will come to find life is better with less TV.

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:32:00pm

re: #125 Cathypop

Best friend has (very good) free booze.

Well...at least free to me!

137 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:32:12pm

re: #127 tradewind

I do like listening to that Simon guy insult Paula Abdul... he's so droll. And she so deserves it.

But she is teflon-coated - nothing sticks. They are good together.

138 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:32:15pm

re: #114 Cato the Elder

It's moot if you're on line anyway, now. You can watch any television show you want, almost, on Hulu or Fancast.

139 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:32:15pm

Rural Mich. counties turn failing roads to gravel
June 12, 2009 - 4:43 PM
WMMT News Channel 3

LANSING, Mich. (AP) - Some Michigan counties have turned a few once-paved rural roads back to gravel to save money.

More than 20 of the state's 83 counties have reverted deteriorating paved roads to gravel in the last few years, according to the County Road Association of Michigan. The counties are struggling with their budgets because tax revenues have declined in the lingering recession.

140 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:32:15pm

re: #128 callahan23

I know, I know I am sorry.
I went on the 'prowl' tonight to no avail. Other than that just my usual cheery self.
Oh, I forgot this. I am deeply worrying about him.

Your freind is in a bad place at a bad time, all I can do is hope for you and him.
Your a teacher?

141 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:32:42pm

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh Crap!

142 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:32:49pm

re: #129 Cathypop

I will... how?

143 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:33:08pm

re: #132 albusteve

football in the fall...that's all a TV is good for

Taking a cable box up north monday.We can only get NBC normally..We generally just rent movies up there.

144 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:33:33pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Hmm. Reminds me of the overnight thread motto. In this case what makes someone angry might indicate what he lacks.

Or it could just be the song. I'm physically allergic to Whitney singing "I Will Always Love You"...

Oh, God, I love that song. I have the album AND the movie. You are welcome to borrow them. Hee hee hee.

145 freetoken  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:33:52pm

re: #114 Cato the Elder

Perhaps the whole ATSC affair was just a secret plot by the ALA?

146 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:33:52pm

re: #142 tradewind

I will... how?

Contact information can be found at The LGF Cookbook site.

147 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:34:15pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

Taking a cable box up north monday.We can only get NBC normally..We generally just rent movies up there.

you keep a boat up there or rent one?

148 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:34:25pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

Taking a cable box up north monday.We can only get NBC normally..We generally just rent movies up there.

That's nice of you. Cable boxes seldom get to go on vacation. Buy it a t-shirt. :D

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:34:34pm

Let's go, Wahoos!
Let's go! *clap clap*
Let's go, Wahoos!
Let's go! *clap clap*

Sorry Toots!

150 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:34:47pm

re: #148 Cattt

That's nice of you. Cable boxes seldom get to go on vacation. Buy it a t-shirt. :D

hahaha!...good one

151 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:35:07pm

re: #142 tradewind

re: #142 tradewind
Click on reine's avitar and follow to the LGF cookbbok.

152 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:35:20pm

re: #137 Cattt

I know... that's what's fun. I would not enjoy watching someone insulting people if I knew it would crush them, or really hurt their feelings. She has no clue, and wouldn't believe it anyway.

153 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:35:30pm

Is this going to turn into a "bad pop songs from the last forty years" threads?
Timothy.
(The Buoys. )

154 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:35:31pm

re: #137 Cattt

But she is teflon-coated - nothing sticks. They are good together.

Of course, everything I know is from youtube clips. :D

155 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:35:40pm

Umpire ejects entire crowd during baseball game
Jun. 13, 2009 01:10 PM
Associated Press

WEST BURLINGTON, Iowa - An umpire has emptied the stands at a high school baseball game, ejecting the entire crowd of more than 100 fans for being unruly.

Umpire Don Briggs said he had no problem with any of the student athletes during Thursday's game between Winfield-Mount Union and West Burlington.

He said he had to take action because fans were being unruly, yelling and arguing.

156 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:35:42pm

re: #147 albusteve

you keep a boat up there or rent one?

I have a 14' fishing boat in the garage..

157 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:35:48pm

re: #145 freetoken

Perhaps the whole ATSC affair was just a secret plot by the ALA?

My brother the librarian would know. I'll get back to you! ;^)

158 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:36:17pm

re: #153 Jim in Virginia

Is this going to turn into a "bad pop songs from the last forty years" threads?
Timothy.
(The Buoys. )

I still don't understand why Britney Spears wants to get hit one more time.

159 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:36:30pm

re: #135 Sharmuta

You will come to find life is better with less TV.

Its not that big a deal, I seldom watch TV.
I Use it to watch DVD's, and not much else.
The Cable I have is for the computer internet connection.
Although I really used to like the discovery channel, its not enough incentive to waste the money on a TV service.
Besides, lizard company is pretty good.

160 Catttt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:36:36pm

re: #152 tradewind

I know... that's what's fun. I would not enjoy watching someone insulting people if I knew it would crush them, or really hurt their feelings. She has no clue, and wouldn't believe it anyway.

I noticed in a couple of clips that he minds her chair when she stands up and waves her arms - makes sure it is there when she sits back down. I think he is secretly a nice guy.

161 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:36:37pm

re: #144 Cattt
I'm with Cato on "Always love you."

162 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:36:47pm

re: #140 DEZes

Your freind is in a bad place at a bad time, all I can do is hope for you and him.
Your a teacher?

Well, a trainer for adult immigrants. I teach computer 101 (so they'll be able to produce their own resumés), German pronunciation and general knowledge.
A sort of 'Jack-of-all-Trades - but Master in None' Trainer.

163 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:37:06pm

Worst female diva: vote for one:
a) Streisand, or
b) Celine Dionne.

164 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:37:40pm

re: #163 tradewind

Worst female diva: vote for one:
a) Streisand, or
b) Celine Dionne.


d) All of the above

165 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:38:22pm

Man gets 33 years for killing sparked by hot sauce
Jun. 12, 2009 06:46 AM
Associated Press

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Kansas City man has been sentenced to 33 years in prison for killing a man during a melee that erupted when someone threw a bottle of hot sauce.

166 freetoken  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:38:45pm

Tornado watches going up all along the front range of the Rockies down into north central TX. Most chasers though seem disappointed... And, this year so far hasn't been the greatest for tornado vids.

167 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:38:50pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let's go, Wahoos!
Let's go! *clap clap*
Let's go, Wahoos!
Let's go! *clap clap*

Sorry Toots!

Toots!

Youtube Video
168 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:39:06pm

If I'm gonna watch a guy who wears guy-liner, it's gonna be this one.

Youtube Video
169 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:39:31pm

re: #162 callahan23

Well, a trainer for adult immigrants. I teach computer 101 (so they'll be able to produce their own resumés), German pronunciation and general knowledge.
A sort of 'Jack-of-all-Trades - but Master in None' Trainer.

I would make a lousy teacher, I have not the constitution for it.
I respect those that can.

170 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:39:37pm

The Parton Twins sing I Will Always Love You.

171 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:39:48pm

re: #163 tradewind

Worst female diva: vote for one:
a) Streisand, or
b) Celine Dionne.

Britney Spears. She can't sing.

172 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:39:54pm

re: # 163 tradewind

Worst female diva: vote for one:
a) Streisand, or
b) Celine Dionne.

Streisand. No contest.
Dreadful in so many many ways.

173 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:39:57pm

Panty burglar gets 9 years in prison
Jun. 13, 2009 10:24 AM
Associated Press

ALLIANCE, Ohio – An Ohio man has been sentenced to nine years in prison for stealing underwear from more than 20 women in a series of home break-ins going back to 2006. Thomas Williams, 25, pleaded guilty Wednesday to 11 felonies, including nine burglary counts. He also pleaded guilty to misdemeanor voyeurism.

174 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:40:13pm

re: #171 Sharmuta

Britney Spears. She can't sing.

Thats why she flashes.

175 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:40:33pm

Back to the nominal topic of this thread:

My favorite vocal type is alto female smoky in minor key.

Here's one you won't find on your typical satellite radio show. Ana Moura, a young fadista from Portugal, singing in the pure old-fashioned Lisbon style.

Youtube Video

When the Stones heard her in Lisbon, they made her join them onstage for "No Expectations".

Mmmph.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:41:13pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

Howabout this one?

177 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:42:42pm

re: #131 Cattt

That's like when I make chili relenos. They are awesome, but every pan is dirty, the mixer is dirty, the broiler is dirty, and every surface in the kitchen is dirty afterwards.

Food fight!

178 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:42:53pm

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Howabout this one?

*shivvverrr*

179 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:43:04pm

re: #174 DEZes

Thats why she flashes.

Buddy of mine showed me the pics...
She pulls in 700,000 dollars a month...
I'm not saying nothing...Hot and rich..

180 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:43:05pm

re: #173 FurryOldGuyJeans

Panty burglar gets 9 years in prison
Jun. 13, 2009 10:24 AM
Associated Press

That is so thong!

181 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:43:10pm

re: #163 tradewind

Worst female diva: vote for one:
a) Streisand, or
b) Celine Dionne.

I cant stand Streisand.
Dionne, Heard of her, and thats it, I hate the radio more than jihadi's

182 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:43:16pm

Drug suspect turns tables on NYPD with videotape
Jun. 13, 2009 10:30 AM
Associated Press

NEW YORK - When undercover detectives busted Jose and Maximo Colon last year for selling cocaine at a seedy club in Queens, there was a glaring problem: The brothers hadn't done anything wrong.

But proclaiming innocence wasn't going to be good enough. The Dominican immigrants needed proof.

"I sat in the jail and thought ... how could I prove this? What could I do?" Jose, 24, recalled in Spanish during a recent interview.

As he glanced around a holding cell, the answer came to him: Security cameras. Since then, a vindicating video from the club's cameras has spared the brothers a possible prison term, resulted in two officers' arrest and become the basis for a multimillion-dollar lawsuit.

The officers, who are due back in court June 26, have pleaded not guilty, and New York Police Department officials have downplayed their case.

But the drug corruption case isn't alone.

183 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:43:57pm

re: #179 HoosierHoops

Buddy of mine showed me the pics...
She pulls in 700,000 dollars a month...
I'm not saying nothing...Hot and rich..

The money is good, But I would waste spit on her.

184 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:45:13pm

re: #169 DEZes

I would make a lousy teacher, I have not the constitution for it.
I respect those that can.

There is days that are quite demanding. But you gotta like speaking in front of total strangers and not being afraid of making a fool of yourself. In times of verbal attack or crisis you also need to be able to stand your ground and not be bullied away.
I wouldn't want to be teaching kids though, way too demanding. With adult you are mostly able to use reason with kids well I don't know. .. .. ..

185 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:45:35pm

re: #183 DEZes

The money is good, But I would waste spit on her.

NOT waste spit.

186 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:46:36pm

re: #185 DEZes

NOT waste spit.

You'd trash her and you know it...LOL

187 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:46:36pm

re: #179 HoosierHoops

I don't hate the girl- I just don't think she can sing. Because she can't.

188 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:47:32pm

How the Global Warming Bill Will Affect Your Wallet

The mind spins visualizing the bureaucracy needed to oversee this monstrosity.

189 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:48:29pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

I don't hate the girl- I just don't think she can sing. Because she can't.

Hey love...I'm on vacation so I'm being silly...
Ignore the hoopster! LOL

190 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:48:40pm

re: #184 callahan23

There is days that are quite demanding. But you gotta like speaking in front of total strangers and not being afraid of making a fool of yourself. In times of verbal attack or crisis you also need to be able to stand your ground and not be bullied away.
I wouldn't want to be teaching kids though, way too demanding. With adult you are mostly able to use reason with kids well I don't know. .. .. ..

I just dont have the patiance for it, I can work hundreds of hours on a project and never want to rush.
teaching isnt my thing.
If you have that talent, use it.
Teachers are in demand here.

191 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:48:46pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

I don't hate the girl- I just don't think she can sing. Because she can't.

I once knew a girl from ole Kentuck,
She couldn't cook but she sure could ...Sing!

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:48:54pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

Joel Grey was great!

193 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:49:07pm

Here's a guy who could be wearing a ton of liner and we would never know, with a girl who doesn't do makeup.

Youtube Video
194 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:49:12pm

re: #151 Cathypop

re: #142 tradewind
Click on reine's avitar and follow to the LGF cookbbok.

And do it twice.

195 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:49:18pm

re: #186 HoosierHoops

You'd trash her and you know it...LOL

I would do a rattle snake if you pulled its teeth. ;)

196 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:49:19pm

Digital TV hot line gets 700,000 calls over switch
* By RYAN NAKASHIMA, AP Business Writer - Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:32PM EDT

LOS ANGELES - Nearly 700,000 calls were received by a federal hot line this week from people confused about the nationwide switch from analog to digital TV broadcasts that occurred Friday.

The Federal Communications Commission said Saturday that about 317,450 calls went into the help line, 1-888-CALL-FCC, on Friday alone, the day analog signals were cut off.

About a third of the calls were about federal coupons to pay for digital converter boxes, an indication that at least 100,000 people still didn't have the right equipment to receive digital signals.

Another third of the calls were handled by live agents, and 30 percent of those were about how to operate the converter boxes. The FCC said most of the converter box questions were resolved when callers were told to re-scan the airwaves for digital frequencies.

Over 20 percent of the live calls were about reception issues.

"Our job is far from over," acting FCC Chairman Michael Copps said in a statement. "This transition is not a one-day affair. We have known about re-scanning and reception issues for some time and have been doing our best to get the word out."

The largest volume of calls came from the Chicago area, followed by Dallas-Ft. Worth, New York, Philadelphia and Baltimore.

197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:49:25pm

re: #191 VegasRick

That from "Salty Dog"?

198 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:49:26pm

and then there's pie... or cake, or sumpthin'...watch out for the needles...

199 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:49:30pm

re: #174 DEZes

Thats why she flashes.

You could tell early on she was insane from the smile.

People study to be able to smile like that. Others do it naturally. The latter usually end up in nuthouses for 72-hour observation.

Or they go into politics.

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:49:52pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

That was the first I ever saw of kd lang.

201 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:50:01pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

I don't hate the girl- I just don't think she can sing. Because she can't.

she's no Bonnie Raitt...

Youtube Video
202 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:50:48pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

You could tell early on she was insane from the smile.

People study to be able to smile like that. Others do it naturally. The latter usually end up in nuthouses for 72-hour observation.

Or they go into politics.

You are so correct.

203 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:50:50pm

re: #194 debutaunt

[Link: lgfcookbook.blogspot.com...]
go here

204 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:51:02pm

re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That from "Salty Dog"?

Don't know what "salty dog" is.

205 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:52:06pm

Listening to Diana Krall sing "Peal Me a Grape" WONDERFUL!

206 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:52:40pm

re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Joel Grey was great!

I've never watched that movie. I suppose I should. I met a woman who is in it. I was told she (in her role) gives somebody a blow job backstage. She turned down the role of Ginger on Gilligan's Island. Perhaps that was a mistake.

207 FrogMarch  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:52:47pm

Yahoo news is pimping and cheering Letterman. yahoo also headlines positive Obama spin *ahem* Obama has found enough savings to pay for healthcare overhaul! oh perfect. thanks Yahoo news - now I don't need to think about anything. Democrats good. Republicans bad.


Meanwhile, the truth about nationalized state-run health insurance:
House Health-Care Proposal Adds $600 Billion in Taxes

208 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:53:40pm

re: #207 FrogMarch

But they said the health care was free...

209 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:54:07pm

re: #203 Cathypop

[Link: lgfcookbook.blogspot.com...]
go here

I have a cookbook - it's excellent!

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:54:35pm

re: #204 VegasRick

Don't know what "salty dog" is.

Take your choice, salty dog.

211 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:54:56pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

What, not one upding for lovely Ana Moura? Try it, folks, you'll like it. Portuguese

Fado

is known as the European blues. Related to Cesaria Evora's Mourna.

Don't miss out.

212 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:55:53pm

re: #211 Cato the Elder

What, not one upding for lovely Ana Moura? Try it, folks, you'll like it. Portuguese

is known as the European blues. Related to Cesaria Evora's Mourna.

Don't miss out.

I did try it. Lovely. Do we have half-updings?

213 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:56:25pm

When was it decided that running voices through sound equipment made singing better? I think it sucks. I pull up videos from today's "artists" and they can't sing. They're a machine.

214 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:56:36pm

re: #205 Cathypop

Listening to Diana Krall sing "Peal Me a Grape" WONDERFUL!

Crush me some ice...

215 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:57:21pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

I did try it. Lovely. Do we have half-updings?

No updings needed, really, since I can't pass them on to her. I just want people to hear the music. I've been an aficionado since 1983.

216 freetoken  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:57:39pm

re: #213 Sharmuta

I blame Thomas Edison ;^)

217 debutaunt  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:57:52pm

re: #214 debutaunt

Crush me some ice...

Skin me a peach, save the fuzz for my pillow...

218 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:58:05pm

re: #215 Cato the Elder

Upding for loyalty.

219 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:58:10pm

re: #213 Sharmuta

When was it decided that running voices through sound equipment made singing better? I think it sucks. I pull up videos from today's "artists" and they can't sing. They're a machine.


The remixers are all too often the real talent.

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:58:15pm

re: #210 FurryOldGuyJeans

BlueGrass song, dummy!

221 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:58:40pm

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BlueGrass song, dummy!

*shudders*

222 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:59:01pm

re: #214 debutaunt

Crush me some ice...

pour me some scotch...

223 AFVetWife  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:59:23pm

Just dropping in to say HI. We've been busy all day - laundry, yard work, washing cars. Now ready to watch movies. Not sure yet if election in Iran will make any difference - waiting to see reaction from those who lost. Hoping to retire soon - lots to do at home. Plus, that will give me more time to be on line with all of you. Hold good thoughts, everyone. You all be safe and healthy!

224 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 4:59:53pm

re: #222 Cathypop

pour me some scotch...

All I have is Makers, sorry.

225 FrogMarch  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:00:14pm

re: #208 DEZes

But they said the health care was free...

PJ O'Rourke's comment on the subject:
"If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's free"
Should be on bumper stickers and t-shirts everywhere.

226 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:00:31pm

re: #219 DEZes

The remixers are all too often the real talent.

Them and the producers. IMHO

227 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:00:48pm

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BlueGrass song, dummy!

Well, EXCUUUSE ME for trying to edumacate ya on the finer points of being a pervert! ;)

228 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:01:26pm

re: #223 AFVetWife

Just dropping in to say HI. We've been busy all day - laundry, yard work, washing cars. Now ready to watch movies. Not sure yet if election in Iran will make any difference - waiting to see reaction from those who lost. Hoping to retire soon - lots to do at home. Plus, that will give me more time to be on line with all of you. Hold good thoughts, everyone. You all be safe and healthy!

Howdy sweetheart!
It's a fun saturday...Hope today finds you well

229 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:01:58pm

re: #225 FrogMarch

PJ O'Rourke's comment on the subject:
"If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's free"
Should be on bumper stickers and t-shirts everywhere.

Amen to that.

230 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:03:15pm

re: #224 DEZes

All I have is Makers, sorry.


HHHMMM? maybe

231 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:03:57pm

re: #151 Cathypop

Done... thanks...

232 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:04:26pm

re: #230 Cathypop

HHHMMM? maybe

You go girl!

233 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:04:35pm

re: #216 freetoken

I used to watch American Idol when I was still watching TV, and I usually tell people who don't like the show that it's popular for a couple reasons:

1) It's clean entertainment the whole family can watch
2) Folks get to vote- we love to vote
3) The talent can actually sing

I would take AI rejects over the likes of today's so-called singing stars.

234 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:04:56pm

re: #213 Sharmuta

When was it decided that running voices through sound equipment made singing better? I think it sucks. I pull up videos from today's "artists" and they can't sing. They're a machine.

Broad brush. Joe Bonamassa is one of "today's" artists, and I like the way he sings, and I think you do too. Right?

235 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:05:12pm

re: #231 tradewind

Can't wait to try it! WooHoo!

236 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:05:25pm

re: #213 Sharmuta

When was it decided that running voices through sound equipment made singing better? I think it sucks. I pull up videos from today's "artists" and they can't sing. They're a machine.

go back a bit...good vocalisits are out there...here's one

Youtube Video
237 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:05:32pm

re: #171 Sharmuta

Agreed...but I said diva, not Poptart.
:)

238 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:05:36pm

re: #230 Cathypop

HHHMMM? maybe

Paddy 'Old Irish Whiskey'
Cheers
Who wants one?
Nice, smooth and not too posh.

239 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:05:42pm

The LGF Spy with comment posting is going to be very cool. It's getting close to a test release.

It turns any thread into an Ajax chat room...

240 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:05:58pm

re: #235 Cathypop

(Clear your calendar)

241 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:06:26pm

re: #226 callahan23

Them and the producers. IMHO


Bingo.
In my youth, I loved going to concerts.
Some groups were hard to recognize in a live show, the sound was nothing close to what you heard on the radio or tape.
Others were better or equal to the remix.

242 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:06:57pm

re: #232 HoosierHoops

You go girl!

Thank You!
when I turned 50 it dawned on me that it was time to be picky.

243 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:07:34pm

re: #241 DEZes

That's what I was getting at.
Cheers.

244 Sheepdogess  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:07:41pm

re: #225 FrogMarch

No kidding.

I'd rather be healthy and have a big bill than dead free of charge.

245 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:08:08pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

Broad brush. Joe Bonamassa is one of "today's" artists, and I like the way he sings, and I think you do too. Right?

Ah- but I had the scare quotes around "artist". I would not lump Mr Bonamassa in with "artists". He's the real deal.

246 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:08:39pm

Outta here Lizards! Gotta go throw something on the grill.

247 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:09:08pm

re: #241 DEZes

Bingo.
In my youth, I loved going to concerts.
Some groups were hard to recognize in a live show, the sound was nothing close to what you heard on the radio or tape.
Others were better or equal to the remix.

live music rules...period

248 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:09:15pm

re: #233 Sharmuta

I used to watch American Idol when I was still watching TV, and I usually tell people who don't like the show that it's popular for a couple reasons:

1) It's clean entertainment the whole family can watch
2) Folks get to vote- we love to vote
3) The talent can actually sing

I would take AI rejects over the likes of today's so-called singing stars.

So many stars are manufactured garbage.
Its product over talent.

249 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:09:20pm

re: #245 Sharmuta

Ah- but I had the scare quotes around "artist". I would not lump Mr Bonamassa in with "artists". He's the real deal.

OK. I missed the nuance.

250 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:09:35pm

And now for something completely different.
Arlington VA rap.

251 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:09:40pm

Some guy was selling boxes of peaches today, so we bought a fifteen pound box and my wife's cobbler just came out of the oven.
Mmmm...

252 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:09:45pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

You want to go see Joe with me?

253 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:10:11pm

re: #246 Cathypop

Outta here Lizards! Gotta go throw something on the grill.

Kill it 1st.

254 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:10:50pm

re: #252 Sharmuta

You want to go see Joe with me?

I would love to.

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:10:56pm

re: #236 albusteve

Love that guy! Passionate vocals? Your name is John Hiatt!

256 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:11:05pm

re: #253 DEZes

Kill it 1st.

Just tie it to the grates.

257 tradewind  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:11:08pm

re: #247 albusteve

Tennessee is where the music's at this weekend: Bonnaroo's happening, and they have Elvis this afternoon...
Costello, that is.

258 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:11:11pm

re: #247 albusteve

live music rules...period

I loved live music, but it does not rule if its talentless hacks.

259 FrogMarch  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:11:12pm

re: #244 Sheepdogess

No kidding.

I'd rather be healthy and have a big bill than dead free of charge.

Dead with your pockets picked clean and nothing left in the cookie jar for the grand-children.

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:11:32pm

re: #253 DEZes

Kill it 1st.

Ahem... or pick it!

261 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:11:53pm

re: #248 DEZes

So many stars are manufactured garbage.
Its product over talent.

the music industry is a black hole of frustration and grief for good talent...that's why small labels have all the very best music...the industry killed itself...go to small clubs and festivals, there is a lot of really good stuff out there

262 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:12:06pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

Afterwards- we shall go out and paint the town Lizard Green. It will be fun.

263 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:12:10pm

re: #256 VegasRick

Just tie it to the grates.

LMAO.

264 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:12:11pm

Have you guys heard Susan Tedeschi?

Youtube Video

I heard her on XM and now I'm a big fan.

265 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:13:02pm

re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love that guy! Passionate vocals? Your name is John Hiatt!

white soul...and some of the most clever, hilarious lyrics ever...a great songsmith

266 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:13:13pm

re: #261 albusteve

the music industry is a black hole of frustration and grief for good talent...that's why small labels have all the very best music...the industry killed itself...go to small clubs and festivals, there is a lot of really good stuff out there

Oh your right about that, I have seen some very good local bands in small clubs.

267 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:13:36pm

re: #264 NJDhockeyfan

Have you guys heard Susan Tedeschi?


[Video]I heard her on XM and now I'm a big fan.

I've posted her here many times...good for you...she is a killer imo

268 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:14:02pm

re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ahem... or pick it!

I am an omnivore, not a rabbit. ;)

269 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:14:03pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

Afterwards- we shall go out and paint the town Lizard Green. It will be fun.

Wheee!

270 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:14:12pm

re: #221 DEZes

You don't like bluegrass? Infidel!
Ralph Stanley

271 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:15:14pm

re: #268 DEZes

I am an omnivore, not a rabbit. ;)

RotFLOL

272 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:15:35pm

re: #264 NJDhockeyfan

I heard her on XM and now I'm a big fan.

And she's using a green guitar!

273 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:15:53pm

re: #270 Jim in Virginia

You don't like bluegrass? Infidel!
Ralph Stanley

I am not a blue grass fan, I can tolerate all of three notes of it before I leave a room, which really annoys my brother inlaw that has a bluegrass band.

274 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:16:54pm

re: #257 tradewind

Tennessee is where the music's at this weekend: Bonnaroo's happening, and they have Elvis this afternoon...
Costello, that is.

ABQ is such a backwater...it's a heartbreaker for me because I love road trips and live gigs...I have to fly to party...but Bonnie Raitt and Taj Mahal are playing the very cool amplitheater at Sandia Casino in Sept...stage center, eight rows back...yowza!

275 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:17:03pm

re: #272 wrenchwench

And she's using a green guitar!

You also noticed? {wrenchwench}

276 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:17:48pm

re: #272 wrenchwench

And she's using a green guitar!

sea green foam..c'mon

277 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:17:51pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

Afterwards- we shall go out and paint the town Lizard Green. It will be fun.

I kinda like lizard blue.

278 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:18:38pm

re: #273 DEZes

I am not a blue grass fan, I can tolerate all of three notes of it before I leave a room, which really annoys my brother inlaw that has a bluegrass band.


All good bluegrass songs are depressing. Robert Earl Keene mentions one in which, at the conclusion, the hero is not just dead, he's dismembered.

279 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:19:37pm

re: #269 wrenchwench

Joe's Tour Dates

280 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:19:40pm

Norman Blake

281 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:22:05pm

re: #279 Sharmuta

Joe's Tour Dates

Penns Peak in Aug...just a killer venue in the Pocanos...
that't be my pick

282 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:23:19pm

re: #270 Jim in Virginia

You don't like bluegrass? Infidel!
Ralph Stanley

really...I'm stunned

283 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:23:36pm

re: #278 Jim in Virginia

All good bluegrass songs are depressing. Robert Earl Keene mentions one in which, at the conclusion, the hero is not just dead, he's dismembered.

My brother inlaw loaned me Brother where Art Thou.
As soon as those bluegrass notes started playing, I ejected the dvd.
I seriously can not stand bluegrass, not even in small doses.
Sorry.

284 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:23:38pm

re: #279 Sharmuta

Joe's Tour Dates

Closest one to me is about 1500 miles away...

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:24:25pm

re: #274 albusteve

Nice. Saw her once. Fantastic artist.

Then went on a moon-bat screed in the middle of the concert. Pisssed me off!

286 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:24:30pm

re: #284 wrenchwench

Closest one to me is about 1500 miles away...

ain't that a bitch?...damn

287 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:24:34pm

re: #284 wrenchwench

Honey- if you're going with me, your going to have to make a trip.

288 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:26:10pm

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice. Saw her once. Fantastic artist.

Then went on a moon-bat screed in the middle of the concert. Pisssed me off!

you gotta go pee at that point...her gigs with Taj are for benefit and that's cool...no shortcuts, full bands...they are both filthy rich anyhow

289 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:26:37pm

re: #287 Sharmuta

Honey- if you're going with me, your going to have to make a trip.

I like your attitude...

290 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:27:10pm

Daniel Pipes via Spencer...

...better to have a bellicose, apocalyptic, in-your-face Ahmadinejad who scares the world than a sweet-talking Mousavi who again lulls it to sleep, even as thousands of centrifuges whir away.

And so, despite myself, I am rooting for Ahmadinejad.

I realize that this pragmatic view shocks the tender sensibilities of left-wingers such as Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and Rachel Maddow, but this is hardly the first time leftists think with their hearts, nor the first time that their unthinking sentimentality might lead to disaster.

How about rooting for a public uprising and trow out the mullahs?

291 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:27:19pm

re: #289 albusteve

She will have a blast if she comes.

292 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:28:32pm

re: #287 Sharmuta

Honey- if you're going with me, your going to have to make a trip.

Heck, if I'm gonna make a trip, I might as well go see him in Germany. That way I can visit my brother and my sister, and...hmmm, who else is in Germany?

293 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:29:59pm

re: #291 Sharmuta

She will have a blast if she comes.

no shit...multiple gigs are best, but you just gotta go for it sometimes...I've flown to NYC several times for one gig...big ones tho

294 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:30:17pm

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice. Saw her once. Fantastic artist.

Then went on a moon-bat screed in the middle of the concert. Pisssed me off!

Same here. I saw her in Charlottesville a few years ago and she had a mild case of BDS half way through.

295 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:30:55pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

Heck, if I'm gonna make a trip, I might as well go see him in Germany. That way I can visit my brother and my sister, and...hmmm, who else is in Germany?

Meee!

296 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:31:44pm

Totten: Iran on Fire

297 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:32:17pm

re: #295 callahan23

Meee!

I knew that!

298 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:32:30pm

re: #295 callahan23

Meee!

Bingo.

299 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:32:46pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

I can't compete with family and callahan23.

300 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:33:24pm

re: #299 Sharmuta

I can't compete with family and callahan23.

Ah sugar, you are without peer.

301 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:34:00pm

re: #300 DEZes

I will have to find another date for the show. :(

302 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:34:21pm

re: #296 Thanos

Totten: Iran on Fire

When is sunrise?

303 Jim in Virginia  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:34:22pm

re: #283 DEZes Different strokes. Like Mom said, it would be a dull world if we all liked the same things.

304 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:34:48pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

An uprising would be nice, but isn't going to happen. Besides, who are they rising up against? Ahmadinejad may be president, but the mullahs are the ones who run the show through their chosen president. If the mullahs didn't want Ahamdinejad, they would have backed Mousavi and ensured his win.

Either way, the mullahs win.

I see the ongoing situation in Iran as a cynical ploy on the part of the mullahs to maintain power and to show that they are paying lip service to the will of the people, but they're not going to give them too much power, and definitely not enough say in how the nation goes forward.

As for the foreign policy objectives, Mousavi wasn't going to give up Iran's nuclear program or its ultimate intention to destroy Israel and cripple the US - the goals of the regime since it was founded in 1979. The mullahcracy isn't going to change that one iota.

In fact, the idea of reformist candidates for President is nearly as old as the regime in Tehran in the first place. Each President and his opponent have cast themselves as reformers, whether it was Khatami, Rafsanjani, or Ahmadinejad. The reform they speak of is not reform as we see it - more often than not, it's reform the Islamist way, and occasionally it's economic reform, but not a reform that gives up its ideologically driven desire to support proxy armies of terrorists like Hizbullah and Hamas or waging war against the US via the insurgency in Iraq or supporting Taliban against the Afghans.

305 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:35:20pm

re: #301 Sharmuta

I will have to find another date for the show. :(

I would go but Im too not blue.
Have a hug anyway. {Sharmuta}

306 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:35:54pm

re: #296 Thanos

I've also been following this guy on twitter. He's been updating about every hour or so over night. Should be morning there soon.

307 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:35:59pm

re: #299 Sharmuta

I can't compete with family and callahan23.

But I don't want to compete with you.
/ whimper, scurrying to the next best cover

308 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:36:02pm

re: #299 Sharmuta

I can't compete with family and callahan23.

Well, truth be told, the only place I'm going is home. Three-quarters of a mile, all uphill.

But before I go, I was looking for something else, when I found this picture. I don't know what to make of it, but I'm sure somebody can make something of it!

309 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:36:19pm

Photos of ongoing riots and demos in Iran

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

310 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:36:26pm

re: #302 MandyManners

When is sunrise?

5:05am dawn breaking.

311 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:37:34pm

re: #304 lawhawk

An uprising would be nice, but isn't going to happen. Besides, who are they rising up against? Ahmadinejad may be president, but the mullahs are the ones who run the show through their chosen president. If the mullahs didn't want Ahamdinejad, they would have backed Mousavi and ensured his win.

Either way, the mullahs win.

I see the ongoing situation in Iran as a cynical ploy on the part of the mullahs to maintain power and to show that they are paying lip service to the will of the people, but they're not going to give them too much power, and definitely not enough say in how the nation goes forward.

As for the foreign policy objectives, Mousavi wasn't going to give up Iran's nuclear program or its ultimate intention to destroy Israel and cripple the US - the goals of the regime since it was founded in 1979. The mullahcracy isn't going to change that one iota.

In fact, the idea of reformist candidates for President is nearly as old as the regime in Tehran in the first place. Each President and his opponent have cast themselves as reformers, whether it was Khatami, Rafsanjani, or Ahmadinejad. The reform they speak of is not reform as we see it - more often than not, it's reform the Islamist way, and occasionally it's economic reform, but not a reform that gives up its ideologically driven desire to support proxy armies of terrorists like Hizbullah and Hamas or waging war against the US via the insurgency in Iraq or supporting Taliban against the Afghans.

Spot on! Excellent post.

312 Macker  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:37:49pm

re: #302 MandyManners

When is sunrise?

Which one?

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:38:38pm

re: #300 DEZes

Ah sugar, you are without peer.

I am without beer.

314 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:38:53pm

Election battles turn into street fights in Iran

The tallies from previous elections — time-consuming paper ballots — began to trickle in hours after polls closed. This time, huge chunks of results — millions at a time — poured in almost immediately from a huge turnout of about 85 percent of Iran's 46.2 million voters. The final outcome: 62.6 percent of the vote to Ahmadinejad and 33.75 for Mousavi, a former prime minister from the 1980s.

I still call bullshit just based on the ability to count millions of votes by hand in hours.

315 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:38:59pm

re: #303 Jim in Virginia

Different strokes. Like Mom said, it would be a dull world if we all liked the same things.

Its all good.;)
I could take all of 3 seconds of your link before I shut it off.
But hey, if its your thing, I will not insult it.

316 NelsFree  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:39:14pm

re: #84 Cattt

You remind me of work. Hyphens are a big deal there. Here, I can portmanteau words if I want to. Nya nyanya. :D

portmanteau:
"A large leather suitcase that opens into two hinged compartments"
Word?
/So, you're into leather?
Oh, wait...
portmanteau:
"a new word formed by joining two others and combining their meanings; "`smog' is a blend of `smoke' and `fog'"; "`motel' is a portmanteau word made by combining `motor' and `hotel'"; "`brunch' is a well-known portmanteau"".
Word!

317 freetoken  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:39:16pm

I see that PJM is now having anti-science/pro-ID writer Adam Graham writing about transportation.

I'm waiting to see if Simon finally goes to the top, direct to the DI, to start writing about evolution.

Over the past year PJM has selected a host of ID proponents to write about various science/tech/culture issues. Simon would go better to just go straight to Klinghoffer and Berlinski than stay with otherwise no-name bloggers.

318 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:39:28pm

re: #304 lawhawk

I agree. Even with the mullahs gone I doubt they'd give up their nuclear ambitions. It part of national pride. However, a secular regime would cooperate better with inspectors and would be much less likely to use nukes if they got them.
I think this uprising isn't so much about who's president. I think people are sick of the system and the religious police. It might be unlikely but I'm still hoping this produces some real changes in Iran.

319 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:40:38pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

Well, truth be told, the only place I'm going is home. Three-quarters of a mile, all uphill.

But before I go, I was looking for something else, when I found this picture. I don't know what to make of it, but I'm sure somebody can make something of it!

I get a "FORBIDDEN" notice.

320 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:40:40pm

re: #248 DEZes

So many stars are manufactured garbage.
Its product over talent.

Style over substance. It's what sells some most times. My fav station I listen to at work changed from classic rock to top hits. I now listen to jazz as preference.

321 captdiggs  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:41:31pm

Love Patty.
Thanks for posting.

322 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:41:38pm

Good Evening LGF

This any better?

323 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:42:06pm

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am without beer.

Call the paramedics, Swat, 911, thats a goshdamn Greek tragedy.
No I am not kidding. ;)re: #312 Macker

Which one?

We have more than one sun?

Just messing with ya. ;)

324 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:42:39pm

re: #322 Spare O'Lake

Good Evening LGF

This any better?


good evening!

325 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:43:07pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

I don't see the picture 's forbidden.

326 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:43:10pm

re: #319 Sharmuta

I get a "FORBIDDEN" notice.

Sorry about that. I got it from Google. It's a man and a lizard sharing a banana.

327 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:43:44pm

re: #326 wrenchwench

Sorry about that. I got it from Google. It's a man and a lizard sharing a banana.

Kinky.

328 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:44:07pm

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am without beer.

*looks suspiciously at his beer*

Beer is vegetarian?

329 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:44:24pm

Does this work?

330 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:44:42pm

re: #326 wrenchwench

Sorry about that. I got it from Google. It's a man and a lizard sharing a banana.

Hope they're using protection...

*ducks*

331 freetoken  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:44:47pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

The world isn't putting the nuclear genie back into the bottle.

Look for a future with more, not less, "nuclear" stuff on the table.

332 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:44:49pm

re: #322 Spare O'Lake

Good Evening LGF

This any better?

Wheres my chalkboard?
///

333 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:45:24pm

re: #319 Sharmuta

I get a "FORBIDDEN" notice.

/u34/rick_coleman/upload/31286217.39_12_lizard.jpg on this server.

334 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:45:32pm

re: #330 jcm

Hope they're using protection...

*ducks*

See, I knew someone could make something of it!

335 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:45:57pm

re: #310 jcm

5:05am dawn breaking.

Thanks!

336 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:46:04pm

re: #329 wrenchwench

Does this work?

Yes- and I was right. That's kind of kinky.

337 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:46:10pm

re: #312 Macker

Which one?

Tehran.

338 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:46:39pm
re: #304 lawhawk
The reform they speak of is not reform as we see it - more often than not, it's reform the Islamist way, and occasionally it's economic reform, but not a reform that gives up its ideologically driven desire to support proxy armies of terrorists like Hizbullah and Hamas or waging war against the US via the insurgency in Iraq or supporting Taliban against the Afghans.

That is correct. And on top of that, a majority of the people in that country either like it that way or are not willing to rise up against it.

339 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:47:45pm

re: #329 wrenchwench

Does this work?

Glad that wasnt a slimjim.

340 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:47:51pm

re: #334 wrenchwench

See, I knew someone could make something of it!

Who? Me?

*innocent look*

341 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:48:33pm

Later, lizards!

342 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:49:21pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

Later, lizards!

Have a great one.

343 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:50:32pm

re: #329 wrenchwench

Does this work?

That is way cool being so close to such a different animal. Thanks for sharing.
BTW when ever you think of visiting Germany don't hesitate to come and visit.

344 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:50:38pm

re: #337 MandyManners

Tehran.

type the city and the word time in google pops right up.


To see where dawn is, sun clock. You can see at a glance where dawn "is."

345 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:52:00pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

Later, lizards!

See you around.

346 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:53:09pm

re: #344 jcm

type the city and the word time in google pops right up.


To see where dawn is, sun clock. You can see at a glance where dawn "is."

This is what I found.

347 NelsFree  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:54:27pm

re: #329 wrenchwench

H'm, I think you are going to great lengths to attract lizards.
So, would you answer the musical question...

Youtube Video
348 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:57:03pm

Since we were discussing the poor quality of some of the music industry's "talent", I recalled a Hoedown from 'Whose Line Is It Anyways' that touched on this important topic:

Youtube Video
349 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:58:07pm

Wow- the embedding now works in the spy. AWESOME

350 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:58:17pm

Just thinking out loud here...

...what with riots in Tehran and other Iranian cities... right about now might be a good time for their nuclear facilities to ...like... explode or something... and maybe... the head quaters of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards to ... like... explode or something... too... just thinking...

351 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:58:50pm

re: #346 MandyManners

This is what I found.

To lazy... have to short through a LIST!?

;-P

352 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:59:20pm

re: #350 Kenneth

Just thinking out loud here...

...what with riots in Tehran and other Iranian cities... right about now might be a good time for their nuclear facilities to ...like... explode or something... and maybe... the head quaters of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards to ... like... explode or something... too... just thinking...

Things do go boom at times like this...

353 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 5:59:23pm

re: #351 jcm

To lazy... have to short through a LIST!?

;-P

Sort?

354 legalpad  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:00:01pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Election battles turn into street fights in Iran

I still call bullshit just based on the ability to count millions of votes by hand in hours.

You think?

355 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:00:02pm

Evening, folks.

It's been a pleasant afternoon, spent in idle contemplation, grilling brats and burgers, watching the diamond Hogs hold off the Titans out in Omaha, and talking of this and that with a like-minded cadre of acquaintances.

The topic eventually turned to making a living, and then to the best jobs we had ever held or that people that we knew had held.

Now these aren't made-up jobs. Probably, no matter how much I might polish the old resume, I'm not going to be given the task of gently easing Jessica Simpson's teats into her bra every morn. I'd have to pay her, anyway, most likely.

But I think that the absolute best job I've ever beheld was one done by a friend of mine back in Paducah. This fellow drove back and forth to Cairo, Illinois, every morning and spent his time in an office overlooking the spot where the Ohio and Mississippi rivers merge. His job was to count his companies barges as they went past.

Think of it, friends. The barges went by so slowly that he could adjourn for a smoke, a beer, and a pulled pork sandwich and still get back in time to finish counting his string of barges. The barges were too large for anyone to slip one into his pocket and abscond with it. They were either upstream or downstream from him; they were unlikely to suddenly take off overland and hide. They were huge things and didn't cause any eyestrain while counting.

Assuming that one can count, I'd have to say that is just about the best job that I've ever heard of.

356 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:00:15pm

Embedded videos in the Spy are kind of tricky though. They fall off the page and you lose it.

357 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:00:30pm

re: #354 legalpad

You think?

No- I try not to.

358 Zimriel  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:00:42pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

Heck, if I'm gonna make a trip, I might as well go see him in Germany. That way I can visit my brother and my sister, and...hmmm, who else is in Germany?

gegenkritik is Deutscher, I understand...

359 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:00:58pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

No- I try not to.

We know better. ;)

360 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:01:01pm

Just turn off the spy updating while you watch a video -- with the checkbox at the top of the screen.

361 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:02:10pm

Or click the comment author's name and that comment opens in its own window, and you can watch the video there while the Spy keeps scrolling.

362 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:02:27pm

The Three Bears? Try 163,000 ... and counting
ROGER ALFORD, Associated Press Writer Roger Alford, Associated Press Writer – 25 mins ago

HARLAN, Ky. – Bobby Koger was deer hunting on a Kentucky hillside when a black bear gave him the fright of his life.

A 300-pound animal, apparently unhappy that an intruder was on his turf, came charging and didn't stop until Koger raised his .50 caliber muzzleloading rifle and fired from point-blank range. A hunting companion who witnessed the attack from a distance also shot the bruin, which wheeled, ran a short distance and collapsed.

Conservation officers concluded that they fired in self-defense at a bear that had lost its natural fear of humans.

With black bear populations rising, run-ins have become almost commonplace — more than 15,000 in the past year in states east of the Mississippi River according to a survey of state wildlife agencies.

Canadian bear researcher Hank Hristienko, who conducted the survey in January, found that 18 Eastern states were seeing more encounters with bears.

Most encounters involve hungry bears raiding backyard bird feeders or toppling garbage bins, but sometimes they're harrowing. In a 2006 attack, a 210-pound male bear killed a 6-year-old girl and mauled her 2-year-old brother as well as her mother who tried to fend off the animal. The attack occurred during a family outing in Tennessee's Cherokee National Forest.

Some bears have become brazen, dining beneath backyard fruit trees, raiding pet food bowls, even chasing campers. At a park near Prestonsburg, Ky., last year, a bear held tourists at bay inside a cabin until rangers arrived to chase it away.

They have also become road hazards. Wildlife agencies reported more than 1,300 struck by automobiles in 2008.

The U.S. bear population more than doubled between 1989 and 2006, rising from 165,000 to over 350,000, according to The International Association of Bear Research and Management, a bear conservation nonprofit that takes a periodic census of the animals. The Eastern states alone now have about 163,000 bears, according to findings Hristienko released in May.

363 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:02:38pm

re: #360 Charles

Just turn off the spy updating while you watch a video -- with the checkbox at the top of the screen.

But... that takes effort.

364 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:02:41pm

re: #358 Zimriel

gegenkritik is Deutscher, I understand...

Aaannd Harry C.23

365 Aye Pod  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:02:51pm

Nice video (surrealist) : Ministry Messiah

Youtube Video
366 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:03:52pm

China been busy too. They've been quite busy shadowing US Navy ships, and today they apparently got a little too close. They collided with a towed sonar array of the USS John McCain.

The reason to get that close? To get targeting data for future reference.

They're calling it an inadvertent accident.

367 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:05:58pm

re: #366 lawhawk

China been busy too. They've been quite busy shadowing US Navy ships, and today they apparently got a little too close. They collided with a towed sonar array of the USS John McCain.

The reason to get that close? To get targeting data for future reference.

They're calling it an inadvertent accident.

Like tailgating.

368 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:07:58pm

NH Man blames infant son for hit-and-run accident
AP
Fri Jun 12, 8:33 pm ET

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. – Police in Portsmouth, N.H., said a man has been charged with lying about his involved in a hit-and-run accident by telling them his son was driving the vehicle. Problem is, the man's son is an infant. A police officer questioned the man about who "normally" drives the car and was told by the man that his 19-year-old son drives the vehicle, but wasn't home, Foster's Daily Democrat reported. The man told police he would have his son contact them.

369 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:08:12pm

The clueless parade continues.

Clinton said the North Koreans "have now been denounced by everyone, they have become further isolated, and it is not in the interest of the people of North Korea for that kind of isolation to continue." The international talks, she added, remain "an open opportunity."

Since when do the Norks care what's in the interest of the people?

370 lawhawk  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:08:17pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

Hoping for change. That's what gets all these diplomats and experts in trouble. They substitute hope and change for the facts on the ground. They misread the situation time and time again, thinking that these elections are really going to change things this time, when they ignore the underlying power structure in Iran.

It's a mistake with deadly consequences.

Now, do I wish that the people of Iran would finally overthrow the mullahs? Absolutely. It can't happen soon enough, but it's not going to happen without outside support, and a population that is readily determined to see the Islamic Revolution come to an end. Iran isn't ready for that, and I don't see them being ready for that anytime soon. The riots now occurring may turn out to be a catalyst, but the mullahs would sooner hold another sham election to confirm this one than to give in to the protesters.

371 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:08:56pm

Whose TV stopped working yesterday?

372 Zimriel  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:09:55pm

I wonder if the crackdown in Iran is being done in co-ordination with North Korea's talk about weaponising plutonium, and then China's warning to the US not to, you know, actually enforce any sanctions against the Kims.

I feel like David Levinson on Independence Day watching the chess pieces move around...

373 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:10:09pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

I disagree.

Most Iranians want to eat. The standard of living has collapsed. The middle class is earning about 20% of what it did 30 years ago. Think about that a minute. Say you started working 30 years ago with a salary of $20,000. Not a princely sum, but in a poor country it wasn't bad. Now you are reaching retirement age with a salary of $5,000 per year. Then you look at the mullahs who are all raking in billions. Prostitution, drug addiction and corruption everywhere.

In the middle of it all, some puny creep is insisting you need to starve like this to make nuclear weapons to attack Israel. Well, most Iranians don't give a shit about Israel, the Palestinians or the fat mullahs. The problem is the regime has plenty of weapons and an army of goons. What to do about them?

Remember, all dictatorships look solid before they crumble.

374 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:10:09pm

re: #371 hazzyday

Whose TV stopped working yesterday?

I ended up getting Cinemax and HBO.

375 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:10:55pm

re: #371 hazzyday

Whose TV stopped working yesterday?

What's a TV?

/;-)

376 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:11:01pm

re: #371 hazzyday

Whose TV stopped working yesterday?

Mine, but I have coupons coming.
But I will be just fine without it.

377 VioletTiger  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:11:09pm

Weapons Makers Look Overseas as Pentagon Scales Back

With the United States looking to cut defense costs and rethinking the way it fights wars, many defense companies are looking for international buyers to take the big, pricey weapons that the Pentagon no longer wants or needs fewer of.


What could go wrong?

378 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:11:55pm

re: #371 hazzyday

Whose TV stopped working yesterday?

Just don't ask Sharmuta that question. ;)

379 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:13:02pm

Woman spots man in bra rummaging through her car
AP
Fri Jun 12, 8:33 pm ET

SPARTA, Mich. – A man has been charged after a neighbor said she found him wearing a purple bra and boxer shorts while rummaging through her car. Jacob Andrew Fast, 20, was arraigned Wednesday on charges of first-degree home invasion and resisting and obstructing a police officer. Lisa Collins told WZZM-TV she found Fast rifling through her car on Tuesday afternoon and called the police. The car keys were missing from her house.

Collins said the bra he was wearing wasn't hers.

380 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:13:19pm

re: #378 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not me- it's others who get creepy about the TV habits of other Lizards.

381 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:14:16pm

Ahmadinejad's mullah mentor issued a fatwa last week authorizing voter fraud as Koranic. The Iranian elections department printed 20% more ballots than there are electors and the Pasadaran, the elite corp of the IIRG, was in charge of ballot security.

Go figure.

382 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:14:47pm

re: #380 Sharmuta

Not me- it's others who get creepy about the TV habits of other Lizards.

They would find my TV habits to worse than yours, I would bet. ;)

383 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:15:20pm

re: #381 Kenneth

Ahmadinejad's mullah mentor issued a fatwa last week authorizing voter fraud as Koranic. The Iranian elections department printed 20% more ballots than there are electors and the Pasadaran, the elite corp of the IIRG, was in charge of ballot security.

Go figure.

You gots a linky for that?

384 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:15:25pm

re: #379 FurryOldGuyJeans

Woman spots man in bra rummaging through her car
AP
Fri Jun 12, 8:33 pm ET

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

///

385 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:16:30pm

Paul Thorn playing live w/ Elvin Bishop and Delert McClinton

Youtube Video
386 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:17:01pm

re: #384 jcm

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

///

Who hasn't done that!?
/

387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:17:11pm

re: #384 jcm

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

///

I find quite a lot wrong with the "rummaging through her car" part. ;)

388 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:17:24pm

Raccoon bites off Russian man's penis


Alexander Kirilov, 44, was on a drunken weekend with friends when he leapt on the terrified animal, The Sun reports.

“When I saw the raccoon I thought I’d have some fun,” he told stunned casualty surgeons in Moscow.

Now Russian plastic surgeons are trying to restore his mangled manhood.


Now that is "unclear on the concept"!

389 legalpad  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:17:40pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

No- I try not to.

It is amazing, isn't it, to watch the notables keep a straight face when they pretend the people have some voice in their government in Iran, in Venesuela, etc.

390 avanti  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:17:57pm

Nate Silver weighs in with his usual statistical analysis of the Iranian election results.

Elections.

391 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:18:29pm

re: #387 FurryOldGuyJeans

I find quite a lot wrong with the "rummaging through her car" part. ;)

Yeah, who are you to judge!

;-P

392 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:18:32pm

re: #383 FurryOldGuyJeans

Search my recent posts, I put it all up on Thursday & Friday. Sorry, I'm feeling lazy tonight.

393 VioletTiger  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:18:45pm

re: #381 Kenneth

Ahmadinejad's mullah mentor issued a fatwa last week authorizing voter fraud as Koranic. The Iranian elections department printed 20% more ballots than there are electors and the Pasadaran, the elite corp of the IIRG, was in charge of ballot security.

Go figure.

Wow, is ACORN in Iran too?/

394 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:19:08pm

I often times believe that if the Iranians ever decide to rise up and overthrow the government, they'd do to the mullahs what the Romanians did to Ceauşescu, or, what befell Mussolini.

395 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:19:36pm

re: #393 VioletTiger

Wow, is ACORN in Iran too?/

Just observing and taking notes...

396 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:20:17pm

re: #388 Kenneth

Raccoon bites off Russian man's penis


Now that is "unclear on the concept"!

"Erections have consequences".

397 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:20:53pm

Interesting:
US Rejects Victory Claim

398 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:21:57pm

re: #393 VioletTiger

Wow, is ACORN in Iran too?/

ACORN In Iran?

Although most commentators predicted a close election in Iran, the official results show Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with a sweeping victory. There are many allegations of election fraud mostly as a result of the failure to require photo IDs and other voter identification, which permitted multiple voting:

By not requiring voters to present photo IDs and running off more than a million fake IDs in Qatar for use by the hundreds of thousands of loyal "bassij" (voluntary militiamen), the Tehran establishment made it possible for a huge number of voters to cast ballots in more than one polling station and substantially pad Ahmadinejad's support.

The Iranian government also set up a vast number of mobile ballots where voters were not required to provide their addresses. In former elections, bogus votes were uncovered by comparing the numbers cast with the number of registered voters in a given precinct. This kind of supervision is ruled out by mobile stations.

Multiple voting resulting from lack of identification. Sounds like ACORN. More votes than people. Sounds like Minnesota.

399 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:22:27pm

Man allegedly tries to use fake $100 at McDonald's
AP
Fri Jun 12, 8:33 pm ET

MADISON, Ala. – Police have arrested a man for trying to pass a fake $100 bill at McDonald's, leading to a find of $16,000 more in counterfeit C-notes. Police said the man was arrested Monday after an employee at McDonald's reported someone trying to pass a counterfeit $100 bill. A preliminary investigation led police to find $6,200 in counterfeit $100s in his possession.

400 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:22:55pm

re: #397 Thanos

Interesting:
US Rejects Victory Claim

'bout time.

401 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:23:04pm

re: #384 jcm

Years ago, we had a man breaking into cars and stealing gas and break pedals out of womens cars.
It was the late 70's, and I was a kid in high school driving a wrecker after school, I towed well over a dozen cars back to our service station.
I almost ran over the idiot one day when we had a call at the local K-mart.
the cops were chasing the man because, after he had stolen the womans pedals out of her car, he decided he wanted her shoes too.

402 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:23:41pm

re: #399 FurryOldGuyJeans

Man allegedly tries to use fake $100 at McDonald's
AP
Fri Jun 12, 8:33 pm ET

Fake money for fake food.

What's the problem?

///

403 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:24:13pm

re: #390 avanti

Intelligently stupid analysis.

404 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:24:17pm

re: #390 avanti

I still doubt millions of hand written ballots can be tallied so quickly.

405 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:24:36pm

re: #352 jcm

Things do go boom at times like this...

I favour a massive targeted military strike on the nuclear facilities. Yet to be realistic about it, we can safely assume that this would involve many civilian casualties. In this connection, it becomes politically important to consider whether there is popular support of the Islamofascist regime.

As you know, I have been taking a fair bit of flack for refusing to accept the politically correct proposition that the majority of Iranians in Iran do not support the Islamofascist regime.

I have heard from a couple of lizards (including you) who have lived in Iran and/or know Iranians, who assert that many Iranians are pro-Western. I am not in a position to dispute this evidence, but I would point out that it is anecdotal in nature and does not speak to how widespread the "opposition" actually is.

I was also informed, of course without evidence, that opposition to the regime is genetically ingrained in the population because people are genetically hardwired with western values. This is an interesting theory but certainly not one which has been scientifically proven or studied.

Lastly, when I expressed the view that a belief in widespread opposition was irrational and fanciful, I was informed that the present demonstrations are themselves evidence of such widespread opposition. Obviously, such a conclusion is premature at best and most likely unsupported by the numbers involved.

What I do know is that the Islamic Revolution did not happen yesterday, and in all the years since there has been no credible challenge to the regime. This indicates to me a very significant level of support and acquiescence.

So if anyone does have any real evidence of widespread opposition to Islamofascism in Iran, I would love to see it. Until then, please don't advocate that US policy be based on little more than wishful thinking.

406 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:25:34pm

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

Paul Thorn playing live w/ Elvin Bishop and Delert McClinton


very nice snag...thanks

407 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:26:30pm

After 6 months, BDS is still alive and kickin.

According to a source on the scene, New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin – in Sydney after being released from quarantine – tonight told guests at a United States Studies Centre dinner that he feared he would be assassinated by the Secret Service for speaking out against George W. Bush.

408 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:26:52pm

Patti Griffin is good...
wow.

/been down the pie path a time or two...

409 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:28:02pm

re: #397 Thanos

Interesting:
US Rejects Victory Claim

well that's a start...keep nipping away

410 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:28:41pm

re: #390 avanti

Nate Silver weighs in with his usual statistical analysis of the Iranian election results.

Elections.

don't be ridiculous

411 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:28:53pm

re: #401 DEZes

Years ago, we had a man breaking into cars and stealing gas and break pedals out of womens cars.
It was the late 70's, and I was a kid in high school driving a wrecker after school, I towed well over a dozen cars back to our service station.
I almost ran over the idiot one day when we had a call at the local K-mart.
the cops were chasing the man because, after he had stolen the womans pedals out of her car, he decided he wanted her shoes too.

Serious fetishist.

412 callahan23  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:29:08pm

Wow, am I tired. I yawn my lower jaw off. Need some sleep.
Love you (Lizards} - mostly.

413 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:29:37pm

re: #407 NJDhockeyfan

I think Nagin will, ultimately, die of being stupid...

414 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:29:38pm

re: #410 albusteve

don't be ridiculous

Steve...It's Avanti.

415 avanti  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:30:14pm

re: #397 Thanos

Interesting:
US Rejects Victory Claim

We need to be careful, we can't write checks with our mouth that our ass won't cash. If we get a major uprising going, we'd better be prepared to act or 1000's of kids will die in the streets.

416 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:30:16pm

Curry powder sparks airline fire alert: report
AFP
Sat Jun 13, 7:29 am ET

MUMBAI (AFP) – An Air India passenger jet heading to Frankfurt was forced to return to Mumbai after a bag of curry powder set off smoke and fire alarms, it was reported on Saturday.

Pilots on the Boeing 747-400 plane activated fire extinguishers after receiving a cockpit warning about a fire in the cargo hold early on Friday morning, the Mumbai Mirror newspaper said.

417 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:31:05pm

re: #404 Sharmuta

I still doubt millions of hand written ballots can be tallied so quickly.

I have to agree, I saw earlier that there were 4300 people counting.
I will take that the poster was right just for the sake of argument.
The poster also stated, and is correct that at 12 counts per minute in 12 hours is around 37 million votes counted.
My question is how fast can the total votes be tallied from 4300 different people.

418 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:31:15pm

re: #415 avanti

...and that will be our fault of course.

419 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:31:32pm

re: #412 callahan23

Take care my friend.

420 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:31:49pm

re: #414 VegasRick

Steve...It's Avanti.

yes, well I'll double down in that case

421 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:31:50pm

re: #416 FurryOldGuyJeans

Now that's one spicy curry.

422 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:32:10pm

re: #405 Spare O'Lake

The most active opposition is among the upper class and educated.

The most support from the Mullahs is from the opposite end.

A lot in the middle are more passive waiting to see which way the wind blows.

Frankly rural life in Iran hasn't change much, in a thousand years. Who's in Tehran has little effect.

Change will come form the very people protesting. The question is how many in the middle can they get to put their oar in.

423 VioletTiger  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:32:22pm

re: #416 FurryOldGuyJeans

Curry powder sparks airline fire alert: report
AFP
Sat Jun 13, 7:29 am ET

That would have been some hot curry. Spontaneous combustion!

424 avanti  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:32:36pm

re: #410 albusteve

don't be ridiculous

Why the criticism of Nate ? He's not saying the election isn't fixed just pointing out what stats mean. The guy does better at predicting the vote then any of the polls.

425 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:33:58pm

re: #424 avanti

I have a prediction.

Life will remain shit in Iran until 1000's of kids die.

(harsh but true)

imo.

426 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:34:30pm

re: #424 avanti

Why the criticism of Nate ? He's not saying the election isn't fixed just pointing out what stats mean. The guy does better at predicting the vote then any of the polls.

stats mean nothing and predictions are useless...it's a waste of time...it's predictable that the elections are a spoof...so what?

427 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:35:00pm

re: #415 avanti

We need to be careful, we can't write checks with our mouth that our ass won't cash. If we get a major uprising going, we'd better be prepared to act or 1000's of kids will die in the streets.

To win their freedom the Iranians are going to have to pay the blood price freedom costs.

We can't sit on the fucking fence at times like this.

428 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:35:53pm

re: #404 Sharmuta

The ballots were tallied long before the election.

429 avanti  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:36:03pm

re: #426 albusteve

stats mean nothing and predictions are useless...it's a waste of time...it's predictable that the elections are a spoof...so what?

OK, I get your feelings, never mind.

430 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:36:50pm

re: #428 Kenneth

The ballots were tallied long before the election.

Xactly.

431 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:36:59pm

re: #425 Windhorse

I have a prediction.

Life will remain shit in Iran until 1000's of kids die.

(harsh but true)

imo.

pretty much agree with that...there needs to be overwhelming outrage across the spectrum

432 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:37:00pm
433 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:37:14pm

re: #425 Windhorse

I have a prediction.

Life will remain shit in Iran until 1000's of kids die.

(harsh but true)

imo.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson

It applies anywhere, but price of liberty is blood.

434 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:37:24pm

re: #428 Kenneth

The ballots were tallied long before the election.

The only ballots that really counted were those of the Mad Mullahs.

435 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:37:56pm

re: #429 avanti

OK, I get your feelings, never mind.

feeelings
whoa whoa whoa
feeelings

436 avanti  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:38:13pm

re: #427 jcm

To win their freedom the Iranians are going to have to pay the blood price freedom costs.

We can't sit on the fucking fence at times like this.

My point exactly, if the Iranians rise up with our encouragement, we can't let them twist in the wind. The next day or two will tell the tale.

437 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:38:20pm

re: #435 albusteve

feeelings
whoa whoa whoa
feeelings

LMAO.

438 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:39:09pm

re: #436 avanti

My point exactly, if the Iranians rise up with our encouragement, we can't let them twist in the wind. The next day or two will tell the tale.

Our boys and girls must shed their blood?

439 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:39:20pm

re: #435 albusteve

feeelings
whoa whoa whoa
feeelings

F'ing funny!

440 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:40:00pm

what a dilemma...

we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

441 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:40:22pm

re: #436 avanti

My point exactly, if the Iranians rise up with our encouragement, we can't let them twist in the wind. The next day or two will tell the tale.

tes, BO should get on the TV and tell those kids to get out there and kick some Mullah fucking ass...where is he?...shooting three's again?...how robust

442 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:40:38pm

re: #440 Windhorse

what a dilemma...

we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

I'd rather be damned for doing.

443 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:40:50pm

re: #405 Spare O'Lake

Five years ago, polls on the perscentage of IRanians who supported the regime ran around 20 to 30 %. Today that percentage has fallen even further. The regime still has suport among the IIRG, illiterate peasants and the mullahs. The last group that broke away was the small shop keepers. The economic dissaster has destroyed their wealth and security. The corruption has disgusted everybody.

444 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:41:00pm

re: #440 Windhorse

what a dilemma...

we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Isn't that always the way of it?

445 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:41:00pm
446 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:41:24pm

re: #441 albusteve

tes, BO should get on the TV and tell those kids to get out there and kick some Mullah fucking ass...where is he?...shooting three's again?...how robust

Dinner with WAB on our dime.

447 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:41:27pm

re: #442 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'd rather be damned for doing.

Amen to that, we may be more damned for not.

448 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:41:54pm

re: #442 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'd rather be damned for doing.

me too...our great leader is kissing their ass while those kids die for some freedom...it's enough to piss me off a bit

449 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:42:14pm

re: #438 DEZes

Our boys and girls must shed their blood?

I'd don't think so. The Iranians are more than capable of getting it done.

What they need is too know that, the west in particular supports their cause and recognizes he right to overthrow the mullahs.

450 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:42:51pm

Q: How do elections in Iran differ from those in Cuba and North Korea?

A: They don't. But in Iran they have a word for 'election'.

451 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:43:15pm

re: #447 DEZes

Amen to that, we may be more damned for not.

fortune favors the bold...
backup helps too

452 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:43:41pm

re: #449 jcm

I'd don't think so. The Iranians are more than capable of getting it done.

What they need is too know that, the west in particular supports their cause and recognizes he right to overthrow the mullahs.

Can we send jimma and algross first?
/

453 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:43:51pm

re: #443 Kenneth

Five years ago, polls on the perscentage of IRanians who supported the regime ran around 20 to 30 %. Today that percentage has fallen even further. The regime still has suport among the IIRG, illiterate peasants and the mullahs. The last group that broke away was the small shop keepers. The economic dissaster has destroyed their wealth and security. The corruption has disgusted everybody.

That is the kind of stuff I'm looking for. Got any links?

454 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:44:10pm

re: #443 Kenneth

Five years ago, polls on the perscentage of IRanians who supported the regime ran around 20 to 30 %. Today that percentage has fallen even further. The regime still has suport among the IIRG, illiterate peasants and the mullahs. The last group that broke away was the small shop keepers. The economic dissaster has destroyed their wealth and security. The corruption has disgusted everybody.

The Iranians are tired of this government. I think Iran is a tinder box, and this election might be the spark. Perhaps the flames won't get out of control for awhile- maybe a long while. But the Boston Tea Party happened years before Lexington and Concord. In that regard- the revolution to take back Iran may be underway.

455 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:44:54pm

re: #415 avanti

I updinged you because you are absolutely and profoundly correct, the US must back up words of support with actions. The worts thing would be to enocourage the people while refusing to help them.

That said, the Iranian people are not "kids". There are thousands of men & women in the streets. The regime will indeed kill. The question is who will come to the aid of the people. The regular army might...

456 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:45:11pm
457 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:45:51pm

re: #406 albusteve

very nice snag...thanks

yw...I didn't know about these videos.

Here is another one.

Youtube Video

Kick ass!

458 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:45:55pm

I don't think Pres. Obama, Sec. of State What's Her Name and Senator (sniff-sniff) have the collective Audacity to stick their necks out for anyone...

/except themselves

459 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:46:07pm

re: #456 taxfreekiller

Put it another way,

Why would John F. Kerry life long Democrat start telling the truth?

Waterboard!

460 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:46:19pm

re: #449 jcm

I'd don't think so. The Iranians are more than capable of getting it done.

What they need is too know that, the west in particular supports their cause and recognizes he right to overthrow the mullahs.

Will that happen, I support it, you seem to support it.
But I am asking Avanti if he supports it.
I am not wanting our greatest treasure wasted, for hollow rhetoric.

461 legalpad  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:47:20pm

re: #456 taxfreekiller

Put it another way,

Why would John F. Kerry life long Democrat start telling the truth?

Never gonna happen.

462 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:47:29pm

...and of course, Nancy Pelosi is only interested in Nancy Pelosi.

463 VioletTiger  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:47:59pm

re: #454 Sharmuta

The Iranians are tired of this government. I think Iran is a tinder box, and this election might be the spark. Perhaps the flames won't get out of control for awhile- maybe a long while. But the Boston Tea Party happened years before Lexington and Concord. In that regard- the revolution to take back Iran may be underway.

They probably can see enough of the world outside their country to understand what they are missing. I wonder what sort of internet access they get there--how widespread is it and are there many restrictions?

464 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:48:21pm

re: #459 VegasRick

The truth is 12 levels above Kerry's pay grade.

465 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:48:42pm

re: #438 DEZes

It would be a very bad idea to send in US troops. The US should supply communications equipment, money and yes, weapons. Several well place munitions on the IIRG headquarters could be crucial.

466 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:49:18pm

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan

yw...I didn't know about these videos.

Here is another one.


Kick ass!

I just met Paul Thorn a year ago in Austin...nice guy and an interesting story...hard knocks...I'm surprised to see him gigging with Bishop and Delbert so soon, some big dogs...they love the guy over there...surfing vids is fun

467 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:49:28pm

re: #454 Sharmuta

Shhh... don't say tea party!

468 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:49:43pm

re: #451 albusteve

fortune favors the bold...
backup helps too

There is little to be gained from being timid.

469 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:50:01pm

re: #467 Kenneth

Shhh... don't say tea party!

LMAO!

470 VegasRick  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:50:31pm

re: #464 DEZes

The truth is 12 levels above Kerry's pay grade.

Old ugly women are easy to find.
RICH, Old ugly women are not so easy to find.
Kerry's paygrade

471 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:50:57pm

re: #462 Windhorse

...and of course, Nancy Pelosi is only interested in Nancy Pelosi.

Did you know that "Nancy Pelosi" anagrams into "clueless dangerous ignorant moron"? Same as Barney Frank.

472 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:51:22pm

re: #465 Kenneth

It would be a very bad idea to send in US troops. The US should supply communications equipment, money and yes, weapons. Several well place munitions on the IIRG headquarters could be crucial.

Make no mistake, U.S. help will piss off the nut cases.
It will cost our troops blood.

473 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:51:32pm

re: #453 Spare O'Lake

There's a nifty little thing called the internet and a place called google... try it out!

BTW, I've already posted hundred of links to that stuff here.

474 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:52:13pm

re: #468 Sharmuta

There is little to be gained from being timid.

you buy freedom with blood, that's why it is so precious...I hope the Iraqis understand that

475 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:52:24pm

re: #471 solomonpanting

wow... I thought it was "clueless dangerous ignorant moron - but I think the scarf will work"

476 avanti  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:52:30pm

re: #460 DEZes

Will that happen, I support it, you seem to support it.
But I am asking Avanti if he supports it.
I am not wanting our greatest treasure wasted, for hollow rhetoric.

Our support, money, and perhaps more to support a popular revolt, but no troops. Certainty not a repeat of Hungary where it was civilians against tanks while the west sat on it's hands.

477 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:52:48pm

re: #472 DEZes

Not dealing with the mullahs has already cost US blood.

478 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:53:16pm

Barney Frank

Carny Prank

479 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:53:58pm

re: #476 avanti

Our support, money, and perhaps more to support a popular revolt, but no troops. Certainty not a repeat of Hungary where it was civilians against tanks while the west sat on it's hands.

Our money, how fucking typical, just throw our tax dollars at the problem.

480 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:54:10pm

re: #473 Kenneth

There's a nifty little thing called the internet and a place called google... try it out!

BTW, I've already posted hundred of links to that stuff here.

yeah and for all the lizards mining links about this event have my sincere thanks...I can learn the lazy way!

481 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:54:14pm
482 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:54:33pm

re: #477 Kenneth

Not dealing with the mullahs has already cost US blood.

Not gonna argue with that.

483 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:54:53pm

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan

I really like this song...thanks again

484 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:55:23pm

re: #476 avanti

Our support, money, and perhaps more to support a popular revolt, but no troops. Certainty not a repeat of Hungary where it was civilians against tanks while the west sat on it's hands.

We other fight for their freedom we sit on our hands.

One of greatest sins IMHO.

“But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”
John Stuart Mills

485 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:55:53pm

yeah... just print up a trillion or so and send it over to Iran... you know - because (after all) the only reason any of this is happening is because uhhh... what's that? Yeah, that's right - that's right... uhhh...

486 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:56:13pm
487 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:57:07pm

re: #471 solomonpanting

Did you know that "Nancy Pelosi" anagrams into "clueless dangerous ignorant moron"? Same as Barney Frank, Harry Reid, Chuck Shumer, Al Gore, John Efn Kerry, John Murta ,,, .

(I'm quitting before my fingers fall off !)

488 JacksonTn  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:58:24pm

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan

NJDh ... bad boys ... sweet ...

489 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:58:35pm

re: #476 avanti

Our support, money, and perhaps more to support a popular revolt, but no troops. Certainty not a repeat of Hungary where it was civilians against tanks while the west sat on it's hands.

So you would prefer it to be like Cuba early 60's! Guess what, it'll be the same result!

490 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:59:17pm

re: #483 albusteve

I really like this song...thanks again

I love blues. My favorite channel on XM is 74 - Bluesville.

491 1SG(ret)  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:59:36pm

If this administration decides to support the Iranian people in any meaningful way, they had better be prepared to suffer the rebuke of most of the other western countries. I see no stomach for what action on our part would cost (any I don't mean money). I know one thing, our guys are damn tired of the Lip Service that comes out of DC. We support the troops has become just another hollow slogan.

492 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:00:11pm

re: #484 jcm

Have I ever told you, I love your posts? Always meaty stuff.

493 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:00:28pm
494 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:00:39pm

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

I love blues. My favorite channel on XM is 74 - Bluesville.

Buddy Guy has a terrific new CD out, chock full of guest artists...a real OMG record...check it out

495 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:01:02pm

I think Pres. Obama ought to send a few million Slim Harpo CD's over to Iran...

496 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:01:04pm

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

I love blues. My favorite channel on XM is 74 - Bluesville.

A lot of people like the blues, I have never understood it.
But people seem to love doomsday tales as well.

497 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:01:22pm

re: #491 1SG(ret)

OH NOES BELJUM IZ MAD AT US!

F*CK UZE BELJUM!

498 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:01:51pm
Youtube Video
499 srb1976  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:01:59pm

Evening folks...hope everyone is well...

500 JacksonTn  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:02:06pm

re: #492 Kenneth

Have I ever told you, I love your posts? Always meaty stuff.

Kenneth ... hahaha ... I am tired ... I read your post and saw it as ...

I love your pants! ... Always meaty stuff ... oh, man ... and I am not even drinking beer ...

501 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:02:07pm

re: #476 avanti

Our support, money, and perhaps more to support a popular revolt, but no troops. Certainty not a repeat of Hungary where it was civilians against tanks while the west sat on it's hands.


Can't spend money. Haven't you heard?

"We are out of money now."

Youtube Video
502 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:03:11pm

re: #492 Kenneth

Have I ever told you, I love your posts? Always meaty stuff.

Thanks, I think I spend too many being silly...

Try to have a decent one now and then.

503 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:03:13pm

re: #496 DEZes

A lot of people like the blues, I have never understood it.
But people seem to love doomsday tales as well.

it is the heart and soul of American music...it all goes back to Congo Square...an cultural treasure

504 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:03:16pm

A few years ago the Bush admin started supporting Iranian expats by providing training in pro-democracy activistm. How much and how far? Who knows...

505 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:03:49pm

re: #473 Kenneth

There's a nifty little thing called the internet and a place called google... try it out!

BTW, I've already posted hundred of links to that stuff here.

A majority of Iranians favour Iranian nuclear weapons.
And Ahmadinejad was the favourite!
I suggest you read the whole thing.

What polls are you citing from?

506 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:03:50pm

re: #501 NJDhockeyfan

Can't spend money. Haven't you heard?

"We are out of money now."


[Video]

They we aren't taxing you enough!

///

507 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:04:03pm

re: #500 JacksonTn

It was a typo, I meant to say "pants"...

Crimeny!

508 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:04:08pm

re: #500 JacksonTn

Pants? Meat? Huh?!? ;)

509 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:04:10pm

re: #498 Windhorse

error...that sucks

510 DEZes  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:04:28pm

Lizards, thanks for keeping me company.
Your why I keep coming back for a visit.
Night all.

511 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:04:46pm

re: #509 albusteve

there it goes...get some Slim!

512 Windhorse  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:04:55pm

re: #509 albusteve

huh? it woiked for me...?

sorry...

513 jcm  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:05:03pm

re: #510 DEZes

Lizards, thanks for keeping me company.
Your why I keep coming back for a visit.
Night all.

Night DEZ!

514 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:05:46pm
515 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:05:51pm

re: #502 jcm

Thanks, I think I spend too many being silly...

Try to have a decent one now and then.

don't be so humble...stand up and take a bow!

516 quickjustice  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:06:05pm

re: #476 avanti

1989-- Tiananmen Square, Beijing, PRC. It is a crime in China even to speak of those days. That means the Communist leadership fears them.

517 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:07:01pm

re: #505 Spare O'Lake

A majority of Iranians favour Iranian nuclear weapons.
And Ahmadinejad was the favourite!
I suggest you read the whole thing.

What polls are you citing from?


Did you even read what you linked to before "quting" from it"

From your link

In a new public opinion poll across Iran before the upcoming March 14th national elections, Iranians do not strongly support the ballot choices offered to them. Iranians also continue to overwhelmingly favor better relations with the United States, a full democracy for Iran, and concessions on the nuclear issue.

CONCESSIONS ,, meaning they are willing to GIVE IT UP, not the " favour Iranian nuclear weapons" as you stated

518 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:07:11pm

re: #505 Spare O'Lake

A majority of Iranians favour Iranian nuclear weapons.
And Ahmadinejad was the favourite!
I suggest you read the whole thing.

What polls are you citing from?

BTW, I don't often ask for links here. But when I do I don't appreciate the "fuck you" attitude.

519 JacksonTn  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:09:01pm

albusteve ... I posted this the other night ... cannot remember when ... anyway ... it is great ...

Youtube Video
520 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:10:05pm

re: #515 albusteve

don't be so humble...stand up and take a bow!

Stand up, Chuck ,, let everyone see you ,,, oh ,, God love ya ,, what am I talking about"

Youtube Video
521 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:10:41pm

re: #498 Windhorse

Excellent, thanks!

522 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:11:47pm

re: #518 Spare O'Lake

My folder-full-o-links is on another computer & I don't feel like re-researching them. Your link is interesting, but be cautious of data collected from a telephone poll. If you lived in a brutal theocratic dictatorship well known for secret police, would you feel comfortable giving honest answers to a telephone poll?

523 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:11:47pm

re: #519 JacksonTn

albusteve ... I posted this the other night ... cannot remember when ... anyway ... it is great ...


very tasty...a tremendous loss...this is what the ABB was back in the day...they were never the same imo...thanks for that

524 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:13:12pm

re: #519 JacksonTn

albusteve ... I posted this the other night ... cannot remember when ... anyway ... it is great ...


Try this one:

SRV & Jeff Beck Goin' Down

Youtube Video
525 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:13:42pm

re: #517 sattv4u2

Did you even read what you linked to before "quting" from it"

I suggest you reread my comment and follow the link to the actual survey. You are making a fool of yourself in you haste to be mean and dismissive.

526 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:13:48pm

re: #522 Kenneth

My folder-full-o-links is on another computer & I don't feel like re-researching them. Your link is interesting, but be cautious of data collected from a telephone poll. If you lived in a brutal theocratic dictatorship well known for secret police, would you feel comfortable giving honest answers to a telephone poll?

No ,,, but I once had an interesting conversation with a street lamp and a fire hydrant!

///

527 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:14:10pm

I do have to say, Secretaty of State Clinton's statment today critisizing the election was excellent. More please.

528 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:15:16pm

re: #522 Kenneth

My folder-full-o-links is on another computer & I don't feel like re-researching them. Your link is interesting, but be cautious of data collected from a telephone poll. If you lived in a brutal theocratic dictatorship well known for secret police, would you feel comfortable giving honest answers to a telephone poll?

Of course not. I would hang up the phone.

529 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:15:18pm

re: #526 sattv4u2

Oh man, perhaps it's time I heeded Iron Fist's dictum:

"If you think you're too drunk to post, you propable are."
530 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:15:37pm

re: #525 Spare O'Lake

whhaaa ,, i'm being MEAN

YOU post a link. I quote DIRECTLY from it (which is in direct conflict with your premise) , and THAT makes me "mean".

531 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:16:20pm

re: #529 Kenneth

Oh man, perhaps it's time I heeded Iron Fist's dictum:

hiccup ,,, Did you say something? hic!

532 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:16:53pm

re: #524 NJDhockeyfan

oh my!...how cool is that?...Beck is looking over and goin, look at this friggin guy!

533 Kenneth  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:18:04pm

re: #517 sattv4u2

To be sure, Iranians are just as susceptable to bizarre conspiracy theories as the rest of the Middle East. You can expect some strange attitudes that don't make sense to Westerners.

534 albusteve  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:18:28pm

SHRED!

535 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:18:53pm

re: #522 Kenneth

re: #528 Spare O'Lake

Of course not. I would hang up the phone.

Soon followed by a knock on the door in the middle of the night and being spirited away!

536 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:19:09pm

re: #530 sattv4u2

whhaaa ,, i'm being MEAN

YOU post a link. I quote DIRECTLY from it (which is in direct conflict with your premise) , and THAT makes me "mean".

Look at the survey, asshole.

537 quickjustice  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:20:25pm

re: #405 Spare O'Lake

Bulls***. Iran's modern history suggests that the Iranian people have every reason to be pro-American. After WWI, the British dominated Iran. The Soviets spent the next twenty-five years setting up puppet political parties in an effort to subvert Iran from within. In 1946, Stalin tired of that strategy, and sent U.S.-made Sherman tanks across the Soviet border with Iran, occupying the northern oil fields. President Harry Truman told Stalin to get out, or we'd nuke them. At that time, we had nuclear weapons, but the Soviets did not. Stalin withdrew his tanks.

An Iranian communist political party financed by the Soviets won an election in the early 1950s. The CIA orchestrated opposition forces to overthrow the communist government, and install the Shah. The Shah was very pro-American. In 1979, President Jimmy Carter permitted the radicals to overthrow the Shah and seize our diplomats. The current situation arises from Carter's very poor judgment and weakness. I would say that many Iranians have fond memories of the Americans, as contrasted with their current mullah rulers.

538 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:21:38pm

re: #536 Spare O'Lake

Look at the survey, asshole.

Ahh ,, at least your raising your game!

Again , from YOUR link

In a new public opinion poll across Iran before the upcoming March 14th national elections, Iranians do not strongly support the ballot choices offered to them. Iranians also continue to overwhelmingly favor better relations with the United States, a full democracy for Iran, and concessions on the nuclear issue

Explain that against your "survey"!

539 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:22:36pm

re: #537 quickjustice

In 1979, President Jimmy Carter permitted the radicals to overthrow the Shah and seize our diplomats. The current situation arises from Carter's very poor judgment and weakness. I would say that many Iranians have fond memories of the Americans, as contrasted with their current mullah rulers.

I wonder if they realize we have Jimmy Carter II in the WH.

540 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:24:27pm

re: #532 albusteve

oh my!...how cool is that?...Beck is looking over and goin, look at this friggin guy!

This is guitar heaven.

541 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:29:48pm

re: #538 sattv4u2

Ahh ,, at least your raising your game!

Again , from YOUR link

In a new public opinion poll across Iran before the upcoming March 14th national elections, Iranians do not strongly support the ballot choices offered to them. Iranians also continue to overwhelmingly favor better relations with the United States, a full democracy for Iran, and concessions on the nuclear issue

Explain that against your "survey"!

Follow the links to the actual survey questions and answers, and scroll down to question 12b about nuclear weapons where you will see that 51.3% favour Iranian nukes. Let that sink in for a minute.

542 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:30:45pm

re: #536 Spare O'Lake

OMG ,,, from the "survey"
Less than HALF consider developing nuclear weapons AN IMPORTANT PRIORITY
those that do consider it important has dropped from 1/3rd to 1/5th

SO ,,, less than 50% of the people think that it's a "priority", and out of those it increased from 1/5th to 1/3 that think it IMPORTANT

SO ,,, less than 1/6th of the people think it's "IMPORTANT"

543 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:33:49pm

re: #541 Spare O'Lake

PAGE 9

Priorities that Iranians think are important to thier gov't


Out of 6 ,,, Nuclear weapons is LAST !

544 quickjustice  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:33:56pm

re: #539 NJDhockeyfan

Obama is actually worse than Carter philosophically. He doesn't believe in a muscular U.S. military with a global outreach. The U.S. cannot afford such a military, and also implement his ambitious social welfare agenda. He must shrink the U.S. military, and withdraw it from much of the world.

If he and Hillary can cut a deal with the mullahs that justifies U.S. withdrawal from the region, he has accomplished his aims. His problem is that such a withdrawal causes a new nuclear arms race in the region, and a likely nuclear exchange over the oilfields.

545 sattv4u2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:35:57pm

Well ,, morning comes early, and before I get hooked on another thread upstairs, i'm hitting the sack

546 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:37:22pm

re: #542 sattv4u2

OMG ,,, from the "survey"
Less than HALF consider developing nuclear weapons AN IMPORTANT PRIORITY
those that do consider it important has dropped from 1/3rd to 1/5th

SO ,,, less than 50% of the people think that it's a "priority", and out of those it increased from 1/5th to 1/3 that think it IMPORTANT

SO ,,, less than 1/6th of the people think it's "IMPORTANT"

You and I are at cross-purposes. I am looking for evidence of whether the regime enjoys popular support, while you are trying to discredit a survey. I am not interested in defending the survey - it just happens to be the first one I found after K refused to give me his links. I just want to consider the best evidence available, which with all due respect is not reflected in unscientific emotional arguments.
Have a good night.

547 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:45:36pm

re: #545 sattv4u2

It's on page 10, not page 9. It says that 49% think the nuke issue is important. So what?
More importantly, look at page 11...52% favour Nuclear Weapons! Doesn't that bother you?
Sheesh!
You are intellectually dishonest.

548 chinesearithmetic  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:43:00am

Patty Griffin is wonderful. Thank you, Charles.


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