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The only thing I regret about my past is the length of it. If I had to live my life again, I’d make the same mistakes, only sooner.

Tallulah Bankhead

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1 BatGuano  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:16:24pm

That is what I have thought for 30 years.

2 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:17:15pm

Spy this!

3 BatGuano  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:21:05pm

Spy thingy again.

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
An foolish notion:
What airs in dress an gait wad lea'es us,
An ev'n devotion!

4 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:21:23pm

Hello Lizards!
What up?

5 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:22:06pm

Hey Hoosier.

6 freetoken  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:22:08pm

Perhaps Tallulah's most famous quote(?):

Cocaine habit-forming? Of course not. I ought to know. I've been using it for years.

though I find:

I'm as pure as the driven slush.

to be more quotable.

7 BatGuano  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:23:19pm

re: #4 HoosierHoops

Hello Lizards!
What up?

This is now a Bobby burns thread, Hoosier. It will remain so until Charles pays me 12 million in Euros.

8 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:23:22pm

re: #5 Fenway_Nation

Hey Hoosier.

How are you doing today?

9 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:26:46pm

Tell me again why we actually bother with the real thread?

10 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:27:28pm

re: #8 HoosierHoops

Great...Red Sox keep on winning, I found this packet at the grocery store that contained 4 hamburger patties (80% lean), 4 mild italian sausages and some pepper-lime marinated chicken drumsticks and thighs for $5 and had a nice cookout with that today.

11 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:27:59pm

re: #9 Noam Sayin'

Because of the dingey thingeys?

12 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:28:22pm

re: Fenway_Nation

You got all that for $5 and you still ate it?

13 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:30:05pm

re: #12 Noam Sayin'

Not all of it- I had 2 burgers and a sausage link, cooked up the chicken and put in a ziploc baggie and froze the remaining burgers and sausages.

14 Racer X  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:31:11pm

Wanted:

Someone to time travel with me into the future. This is not a joke. Must be able to withstand tremendous G-forces. Must supply your own weapons. Not responsible for injury or ? This will be the third time I've done this. Serious inquiries only. Payment on return.

15 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:32:07pm

re: Fenway_Nation

I'm not sure you see my point, Fen. ;)

16 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:32:18pm

re: #13 Fenway_Nation

Not all of it- I had 2 burgers and a sausage link, cooked up the chicken and put in a ziploc baggie and froze the remaining burgers and sausages.

I'll be at the Cabin Monday...First night I will BBQ Sausage links...
Yummy!

17 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:32:34pm

Hey there honcos. Just getting in from a graduation party. Anything new from Iran?

18 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:33:32pm

re: #15 Noam Sayin'

Well...it was either cook it up tonight or toss it out w/the trash on Monday.

/So far no ill effects.

19 Racer X  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:33:42pm

I think I broke the spy thingy.

20 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:36:02pm

re: #19 Racer X

I think I broke the spy thingy.

You see...this is why we can't have anything nice...

21 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:36:29pm

re: #19 Racer X

I think I broke the spy thingy.

I'm telling!

22 Macker  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:38:07pm

Test new Avatar...Wait till you see THIS one!

23 rhino2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:38:59pm

New LGF spy functionality is great!

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:39:35pm

#18 Fenway Nation
If the burger was bad, you would know
If the sausage was slimey, stay away, same with the chicken, but the lime gave the chicken an extra day

25 Macker  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:39:39pm

re: rhino2

New LGF spy functionality is great!

I hope he adds more spy functionality where you can ding from the spy!

26 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:40:07pm

re: #22 Macker

Test new Avatar...Wait till you see THIS one!

Sweet! nice avatar dude

27 rhino2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:40:21pm

re: Macker

I hope he adds more spy functionality where you can ding from the spy!

That'd be great, but this makes following a thread much easier, for me at least.

28 BatGuano  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:40:23pm

How to make the best use of the LGF Spy thing?

29 zombie  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:40:40pm

This spy-comment thing reminded me of a real story:

I once knew someone who became paranoid (I mean clinically paranoid, not euphemisticaly paranoid) that the FBI or the NSA could record his every keystroke and mouse-click on his computer -- not over the Web, but by some kind of detector outside his window picking up electronic signals of some kind. I scoffed at his delusions, but quickly found out that they were working on technology of this sort. It was not a fantasy of his, apparently -- they really might have the capability to "read" keystrokes remotely.

The delusion came in him imagining that he was important enough to spy on. He tried to be a sooper-secret hacker-dude, but his skilz were sorely lacking and he never really hacked into anything. Though he did chat online with people whom claimed to be toppermost-secret hackers engaged in extra-legal activities.

I eventually concluded he was just feeding his ego in imagining he was being caught in an espionage-esque roundup of dangerous underworld computer geniuses.

Anyway, the whole "spy" comments thing reminded me of this.

30 BatGuano  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:42:40pm

re: #29 zombie

Paranoia strikes deep. into your heart it will creep. it happens when you're always afraid. step out of line and the man comes to take you away.

31 rhino2  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:42:57pm

I must sleep, gnight all.

32 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:43:32pm
33 Macker  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:43:48pm

re: HoosierHoops

Sweet! nice avatar dude

Here's the article...bsg vfx: anatomy of an (ancient) cylon

34 Macker  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:45:01pm

re: Iron Fist

Cool! +5 coolness points. That is one mean looking helmet.

:-)

My first reaction was HOLY SHIT!. Can you imagine Toasters with katana blades!

35 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:45:44pm

re: #33 Macker

Here's the article...bsg vfx: anatomy of an (ancient) cylon

3am and I'm watching movies.. I must be on Vacation!

36 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:46:50pm
37 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:47:28pm

re: #36 Iron Fist

They've been able to read your computer screen remotely for years. I've forgotten the name of the device. It picks up on the electromagnetic emmissions of your monitor. That would be in the day of the CRT monitors. I don't know if they can do the same thing with LCD screens.

Good morning Stud...What up?

38 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:51:13pm

re: #37 HoosierHoops

How's the start of vacation?
You do know the trout have been warned?

39 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:53:19pm
40 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:53:39pm

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

How's the start of vacation?
You do know the trout have been warned?

Oh frigging wonderful! Thank you...
Dang it's 3am and I'm just warming up

41 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:54:25pm

re: #36 Iron Fist

If it has an electronic signature, with the right antenna, they could probably read it.

42 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:55:35pm

re: #40 HoosierHoops

Hey some of the best fishing happens before the suns up. Do you have the lunar tables for where you are going?

/tried it once long ago, but all I did was drown worms.

43 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:55:50pm

re: #40 HoosierHoops

LOL!
3am? You going to have desert or breakfast?
It can be SO confusing!
Glad you're having fun!
(Nice to "see" you on a late night thread!)

44 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:55:58pm

re: #39 Iron Fist

Insomnia :-) I can't believe how the time has slipped away. I came downstairs (to where the computer is) at 21:30 or so. Today's the 14th, so I can fill my Ambien script today. Yea!

(For me, Ambien is like a miricle drug. It has some strange and potentially nasty side-effects, but I can sleep. Sleep may be for the weak, but I guess I'm just going to have to deal with being weak :-)

How's life treating you?

I'm doing fine my friend...9 days off for vacation...party dude

45 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:57:25pm
46 Soona'  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:57:53pm

So this is where everyone is. I was on the last thread talking to myself.

47 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:57:54pm

re: #42 BlueCanuck

Hey some of the best fishing happens before the suns up. Do you have the lunar tables for where you are going?

/tried it once long ago, but all I did was drown worms.

I catch and release...fuck it...5am next week I'll be hanging in the boat watching Bald eagles flying overhead..

48 Cheechako  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:59:03pm

re: Macker

I hope he adds more spy functionality where you can ding from the spy!

You can ding from the spy thingy. Just click on the poster's name and a new window opens with the dingy buttons.

49 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:59:13pm

re: #46 Soona'

So this is where everyone is. I was on the last thread talking to myself.

You can't lose talking to yourself...

50 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:59:48pm

re: #29 zombie

I've read, although I don't know if it's true, that people who are clinically paranoid in the sense of being diagnosed with Paranoid Personality Disorder always score highly under NPD or narcissistic personality disorder, or at least tend to have narcissistic tendencies.

It makes sense that it would work that way, because the paranoid generally believes that everyone's watching him or spying on him, that everything's revolving around him and out to get him.

Interesting, if true, and it sounds like it could apply in this case.

51 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, June 14th:

Highlights of this day in history: Nazi Germany's troops enter Paris during World War II; TWA Flight 847 hijacked; Stars and Stripes adopted as official U.S. flag; Leftist guerrilla Che Guevara and real estate mogul Donald Trump born.

Other notable June 14th events include:

1775 – American Revolutionary War: the Continental Army is established by the Continental Congress, marking the birth of the United States Army.

1900 – Hawaii becomes a United States territory.

1938 – Action Comics issue one was released, introducing Superman.

1942 – Anne Frank begins to keep a diary.

1951 – UNIVAC I is dedicated by U.S. Census Bureau.

1954 – U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signs a bill into law that places the words "under God" into the United States' Pledge of Allegiance.

52 Soona'  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:00:39am

re: HoosierHoops

You can't lose talking to yourself...

Wanna bet? I can throw some pretty mean arguments at myself.

53 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:01:20am
54 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:02:28am

re: #52 Soona'

Wanna bet? I can throw some pretty mean arguments at myself.

LOL
I'm watching Good Will Hunting...Now there is an augment you can't win

55 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:02:36am

re: #39 Iron Fist

Before you turn in. please see my #323 on the previous thread. I myself have to get to bed, since I must work tomorrow. I'll be back here before I head to work though.

56 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:04:00am

re: #53 Iron Fist

WooHoo! I've eat up all my PTO with being sick so far this year. I have to get it built up again. The Girlfriend and I are going to Southern California (California Dixie? :-) for Christmas. It'd suck to have to take unpaid leave to do it. I can square it with work if I have to, but damn I need the money (Don't we all?).

Have a fun and safe vacation!

I hate SoCal...I was born and raised up North...Where are you at?

57 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:04:22am
58 Macker  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:05:25am

re: Cheechako

You can ding from the spy thingy. Just click on the poster's name and a new window opens with the dingy buttons.

That worky!

59 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:06:16am

re: #45 Iron Fist

Actually, I read about it in a novel. "Cryptonomicon". Of course the set up had to use a big ass antenna, and had to be right beside the device practically...

/I know it was just a story, but it makes sense with all the radiation that devices put off.

60 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:07:41am

Been a strange and fun week for me. Working and bebopping all across my city taking pictures again. :)

61 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:08:05am

re: #51 gmsc

Today in History, June 14th:

1938 – Action Comics issue one was released, introducing Superman.

Happy birthday, Superman!

62 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:08:09am

re: #59 BlueCanuck

Actually, I read about it in a novel. "Cryptonomicon". Of course the set up had to use a big ass antenna, and had to be right beside the device practically...

/I know it was just a story, but it makes sense with all the radiation that devices put off.

When do you go to day shift?

63 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:08:13am
64 Soona'  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:09:36am

re: Iron Fist

Tennessee. I've been to LA three or four times with work. It was just OK. Too many people crowded on to too little land, and horrible expressways. I wouldn't want to ride a bike around in LA. That wouldn't be fun at all.

People in LA have to plan their lives around the traffic.

65 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:09:38am

re: #51 gmsc

1938 Action comics #1. I asked my dad to buy that for me in 1965: It was $ 25.00. 2 years later I asked him to buy it for me It was $ 100.00. Last I checked it is 4,000.00. sigh.

66 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:10:53am

re: #65 BatGuano

1938 Action comics #1. I asked my dad to buy that for me in 1965: It was $ 25.00. 2 years later I asked him to buy it for me It was $ 100.00. Last I checked it is 4,000.00. sigh.

Is your dad starting to change his mind? Or wished he had?

67 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:11:36am

re: #63 Iron Fist

Tennessee. I've been to LA three or four times with work. It was just OK. Too many people crowded on to too little land, and horrible expressways. I wouldn't want to ride a bike around in LA. That wouldn't be fun at all.

LA sucks..I was raised in Yountville in Napa Valley..It's the law...you must hate SoCal.LOL
Hope Charles doesn't read this!

68 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:11:53am

re: #62 HoosierHoops

Wednesday. *cheer* Right now I am starting my weekend with booze. Seems the way to go for some reason.

69 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:12:48am

re: #54 HoosierHoops

LOL
I'm watching Good Will Hunting...Now there is an augment you can't win

A better way to win the argument that I think you might be referring to:

70 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:12:56am

re: #61 gmsc

Happy birthday, Superman!

[Video]

Best scene from the original Christopher Reeve Superman movie:

(Probably one of the most classic movie scenes of all time!)

71 Soona'  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:13:24am

re: BatGuano

1938 Action comics #1. I asked my dad to buy that for me in 1965: It was $ 25.00. 2 years later I asked him to buy it for me It was $ 100.00. Last I checked it is 4,000.00. sigh.

Under the zero's economic plan, it'll be $4,000,000.00 in a couple of years.

72 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:13:34am

re: #64 Soona'

But, it's the universal excuse for being late!
"I was stuck in traffic!"

73 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:14:04am
74 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:14:32am

re: #72 Floral Giraffe

But, it's the universal excuse for being late!
"I was stuck in traffic!"

I-5 sucks..There ought to be a law! LOL

75 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:15:28am

re: #73 Iron Fist

But, then, you wouldn't be able to surf ;)

76 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:16:09am
77 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:16:29am

re: #74 HoosierHoops

I-5 sucks..There ought to be a law! LOL

405 is worse!
Heck we have traffic radio staions, so you can avoid the problems!
LOL!

78 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:17:27am

re: #71 Soona'

Under the zero's economic plan, it'll be $4,000,000.00 in a couple of years.

What makes you think it will come down to the price of a week's groceries?

///

79 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:17:33am

re: #77 Floral Giraffe

405 is worse!
Heck we have traffic radio staions, so you can avoid the problems!
LOL!

Hey friend...You live in Cali?

80 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:17:51am

re: #76 Iron Fist

That's right! I wasn't even thinking about it but Charles in in SoCal. And he rides a bicycle in that mess.

[shudder]

Heh! Many roads have bike lanes. Not that that's MUCH safer, but it gives the bikes some room...

81 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:19:33am

re: #77 Floral Giraffe

405 is worse!
Heck we have traffic radio staions, so you can avoid the problems!
LOL!

Yeah, apparently the 405 does have its share of problems:

82 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:19:56am

re: #79 HoosierHoops

Urban LA!
Used to be in the Hollywierd Hills, downhill a couple of blocks to Graumann's Chinese Theatre! Now in vunderbar suberbia.
It's NICE in surburbia. If you put on your turn signal, folks let you in.
AMAZING! :)

83 Soona'  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:20:00am

re: HoosierHoops

Hey friend...You live in Cali?

I was on 405 at 3am once, and I thought it looked like rush hour here in Okla. City. That is until I saw what rush hour was really like on 405.

84 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:21:18am

re: #81 gmsc

I just saw that last week. Those guys did a good job on that clip.

85 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:22:26am

re: #76 Iron Fist

That's right! I wasn't even thinking about it but Charles in in SoCal. And he rides a bicycle in that mess.

[shudder]

Yeah but it's not like he riding on the freeways. The condition of the surface streets, based on potholes and cracks, is another story. I've almost been thrown off my motorcycle by crappy SoCal roads quite a few times. After police and fire, fixing potholes is supposed to be the next in line priority-wise for a city to fund and carry out. Not in California. Repaving roads I believe gets funded after free colostomy bags for eldery illegal aliens.

86 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:22:51am

re: #71 Soona'

Undere Zero's economic plan, comic books will be the new currency (along with sports cards).

87 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:23:27am

re: #82 Floral Giraffe

Urban LA!
Used to be in the Hollywierd Hills, downhill a couple of blocks to Graumann's Chinese Theatre! Now in vunderbar suberbia.
It's NICE in surburbia. If you put on your turn signal, folks let you in.
AMAZING! :)

You are my new best friend! I love Cali...
But I'm a Napa Valley boy...Played College ball up there...
We should talk...Nice meeting you SoCal girl

88 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:23:59am

re: #84 BlueCanuck

I just saw that last week. Those guys did a good job on that clip.

It seems the entire budget for that movie was $300, and $192 of that was a fine for filming on an L.A. Freeway without a license.

I hadn't thought about 405 since I saw it the first week it was released. If FG hadn't mentioned 405, I probably wouldn't have gone searching for it now.

89 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:24:04am

re: #81 gmsc

It's just too funny when there are websites devoted to traffic, and the local radio stations do traffic every 5 minutes! And they do, and it can save you HOURS.
www.sigalert.com

A "sigalert" is a traffic disruption that will colst the drivers more than a 30 minute delay.

90 Soona'  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:24:41am

I'm starting to fade out, folks. G'nite all.

91 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:24:58am

re: #88 gmsc

You beat me too it, only because I am in an alcohol induced haze at the moment.

92 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:25:00am

re: #90 Soona'

I'm starting to fade out, folks. G'nite all.

Later, Soona'!

93 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:25:04am

re: #83 Soona'

I was on 405 at 3am once, and I thought it looked like rush hour here in Okla. City. That is until I saw what rush hour was really like on 405.

LOL
highway 29... Every tourist in America drives it to the Valley!

94 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:26:30am

TV Stations' Digital Conversion Confuses 700,000

Nearly 700,000 calls were received by a federal hot line this week from people confused about the nationwide switch from analog to digital TV broadcasts that occurred Friday.

The Federal Communications Commission said Saturday that about 317,450 calls went into the help line, 1-888-CALL-FCC, on Friday alone, the day analog signals were cut off.

About a third of the calls were about federal coupons to pay for digital converter boxes, an indication that at least 100,000 people still didn't have the right equipment to receive digital signals.

Another third of the calls were handled by live agents, and 30 percent of those were about how to operate the converter boxes. The FCC said most of the converter box questions were resolved when callers were told to re-scan the airwaves for digital frequencies.

/gee, they only had over two years to figure it out

95 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:26:44am

re: #65 BatGuano

Update:One just sold for $ 317, 200.

[Link: www.comicconnect.com...]

96 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:27:03am

re: #88 gmsc

Have you seen the movie "Speed"?
You need to drive from LAX (The airport) on the 105 freeway inland. You will be driving what was filmed.

The bus jump? It was real. Filmed over a weekend.
It's really funny to drive the 105. Kinda creepy...

97 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:27:10am

Night Soona. Lizard dreams of nice warm rocks.

98 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:28:35am

re: #94 Killian Bundy

TV Stations' Digital Conversion Confuses 700,000

/gee, they only had over two years to figure it out

It confused me. They said the programs would be much clearer. However, they still seem as obscure and pointless as ever.
;)

99 pat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:29:43am

Obama is indeed racist, controlling, narcissistic, genius, fool. The real deal. A Black Jimmy Carter. Smarter than reality.

100 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:29:47am

Weet dreams, all.
HH, i hope you stay up all night & have fun!
VACATION is all you ever wanted...

101 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:29:47am

re: #98 gmsc

SHOOT YOUR T.V.! there's nothing really on it that you can't buy on DVD anyway.

/or rent even.

102 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:30:48am

re: #98 gmsc

It confused me. They said the programs would be much clearer. However, they still seem as obscure and pointless as ever.
;)

I'm taking a converter box up north monday...We can only get NBC up at the Cabin...so I'm guessing NBC only in digital

103 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:31:16am

re: #96 Floral Giraffe

Have you seen the movie "Speed"?
You need to drive from LAX (The airport) on the 105 freeway inland. You will be driving what was filmed.

The bus jump? It was real. Filmed over a weekend.
It's really funny to drive the 105. Kinda creepy...

I've seen "Speed", so that's interesting to know.

It depends on how you define "real". Yes, a real bus was filmed jumping, but it was from a higher point to a lower point, and the gap wasn't as large as it seemed in the film.

Editing helped make it look like it was going over a much larger jump between two even sections of road.

104 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:31:50am

re: #99 pat

Obama is indeed racist, controlling, narcissistic, genius, fool. The real deal. A Black Jimmy Carter. Smarter than reality.

Welcome Back, Carter:

105 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:32:28am

re: #101 BlueCanuck

SHOOT YOUR T.V.! there's nothing really on it that you can't buy on DVD anyway.

/or rent even.

DVD?!? You still watch TV from physical media?!?

///

106 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:33:55am

re: #102 HoosierHoops

I'm taking a converter box up north monday...We can only get NBC up at the Cabin...so I'm guessing NBC only in digital

/your analog TV is so much junk without a converter box and, as a bonus, the digital signal doesn't carry as far as the analog signal, so you might be screwed anyway

107 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:34:47am

re: #100 Floral Giraffe

yay for GoGo's reference!

Sleep well, Floral Giraffe. :)

108 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:35:12am

73" Samsung? re: #101 BlueCanuck

SHOOT YOUR T.V.! there's nothing really on it that you can't buy on DVD anyway.

/or rent even.

73" Samsung? I don't think so...Wink

109 freetoken  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:35:14am

re: #94 Killian Bundy

TV Stations' Digital Conversion Confuses 700,000

/gee, they only had over two years to figure it out

Two years?

The FCC first adopted the ATSC standard in 1996.

110 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:37:11am

re: #106 Killian Bundy

/your analog TV is so much junk without a converter box and, as a bonus, the digital signal doesn't carry as far as the analog signal, so you might be screwed anyway

Will report Monday evening on the converter box..Maybe better to watch DVD's

111 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:37:18am

re: #106 Killian Bundy

your analog TV is so much junk without a converter box and, as a bonus, the digital signal doesn't carry as far as the analog signal, so you might be screwed anyway

/then again, they say there will be more free channels with digital, I pay for all the cable available so it doesn't matter to me

112 pat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:37:38am

I think it is really creepy that Drudge headlines a Amahdinejad landslide when he knows that it clearly wrong.

113 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:38:09am

re: #112 pat

I think Drudge is really creepy. :(

114 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:39:20am
115 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:40:56am

re: #105 gmsc

Welll, when I watch it. last time it was on was when I went through the Firerfly series on disc.

re: #108 HoosierHoops

Mine is shootable almost. 21" Toshiba that I bough in 1994. :)

116 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:41:08am

re: #95 BatGuano

Update:One just sold for $ 317, 200.

[Link: www.comicconnect.com...]

This makes me think of one of my favorite "if only" stories.

Back in the late '90s, Michael Kovatch started an internet business selling cell phones. The business didn't really take off like he wanted, so the business fell by the wayside. He kept his store's domain name registered over the years, in hopes of eventually finding a buyer.

This did work out well for him. You see, when he chose his domain name, he was inspired by Apple's iMac and their then-newly-released iPod. The domain name he chose for his business?

iphone.com

Here's the full story from the man himself:

117 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:42:12am

re: #109 freetoken

Two years?

The FCC first adopted the ATSC standard in 1996.

/and yet it's still a mystery to TV dumbasses, the several month reprieve cost broadcasters hundreds of millions of dollars maintaining the analog signals

118 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:43:01am
119 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:44:53am

re: #103 gmsc

I've seen "Speed", so that's interesting to know.

It depends on how you define "real". Yes, a real bus was filmed jumping, but it was from a higher point to a lower point, and the gap wasn't as large as it seemed in the film.

Editing helped make it look like it was going over a much larger jump between two even sections of road.

I've still never seen any of the Speed movies. Yes, I know I'm a freak. I'm also one of us without a TV, too.

Speed 2 is the one with the cruise ship, right? Or is that 3? I was on Martinique/San Maarten when they were filming, and they had this thing like a railroad track built on the ocean bed, and a cruise ship running along it approaching the beach. They kept filming it over and over, backing up the ship and doing it again.
It was the most boring thing ever and overwhelmingly NOT scary, because it happened so slowly.

After that I kind of lost interest in seeing Speed or any of the sequels. Though I've heard the first was good.

120 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:45:51am

re: #108 HoosierHoops

Samsung?

/hands down, they make the best TVs for the price

121 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:47:41am

re: #86 BatGuano

Undere Zero's economic plan, comic books will be the new currency (along with sports cards).

I will sell my 1969 Topps John Havlicek rookie card for 12 million Euro.

122 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:47:50am

re: #119 iceweasel

The first was ok. Entertaining but not outstanding. Speed 2 was so bad that Keanu Reeves refused to appear in it. I think Jason Patrick had been out of work since the Lost Boys and was willing to do anything.

I don't know wtf was up with Sandra Bullock though. Maybe she didnt actually read the script until it was too late.

123 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:48:32am

Checking out the new spy comment thingy.

124 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:49:04am

Hmmm

125 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:51:17am

re: #120 Killian Bundy

/hands down, they make the best TVs for the price

unfaithful (2002) Richard Gere discovers his wife Diane Lane is having an affair.(Drama) please help me this movie sucks! LOL

126 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:51:53am

Order from this link.

Best TVs available.

/Charles gets a cut

127 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:52:19am

re: #116 gmsc

That's crazy! Glad it worked out for him.

128 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:53:04am

re: #122 ArchangelMichael

The first was ok. Entertaining but not outstanding. Speed 2 was so bad that Keanu Reeves refused to appear in it. I think Jason Patrick had been out of work since the Lost Boys and was willing to do anything.

I don't know wtf was up with Sandra Bullock though. Maybe she didnt actually read the script until it was too late.

Wow. I had no idea Keanu wasn't in it.

I'm not a big fan of Sandra Bullock. I think she's gorgeous but I don't like her as an actress so much as eye candy. She's been in a lot of crappy stuff, it seems to me.

129 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:54:43am

re: #50 iceweasel

I've known people that are actually clinically paranoid and have had close family with the disorder. While there might be some correlation between narcissism and paranoia, the actual disorder doesn't always manifest itself in a way that the person suffering from it can actually rationalize their fear (extreme cases) so the narcissism is probably a side effect of the paranoia and not vice versa.

It's more akin to a severe phobia and the person is irrationally afraid of threats to their privacy and safety from any and all possible sources. I'm sure some paranoids rationalize their irrational fear into something they can cope with. That being if there are threats to their safety and privacy there simply must be good reason for that to be the case.

The one person closest to me that had a severe problem with it I do feel is very self-absorbed, even now after years of being medicated, level and no longer suffering from paranoia.

130 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:55:47am

re: #119 iceweasel

Hi. Ice...Ice... Baby!

131 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:56:20am

re: #128 iceweasel

Wow. I had no idea Keanu wasn't in it.

I'm not a big fan of Sandra Bullock. I think she's gorgeous but I don't like her as an actress so much as eye candy. She's been in a lot of crappy stuff, it seems to me.

There isn't a Man in America that wouldn't do Sandra..She is smoking hot.

132 bat boy  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:57:26am

re: #130 BatGuano

Hi. Ice...Ice... Baby!


[Video]

Hey Bat Guano!

133 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:57:28am

re: #130 BatGuano

Hi. Ice...Ice... Baby!


[Video]

He's White...White... Baby!

134 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:57:56am

re: #130 BatGuano

Hi. Ice...Ice... Baby!


[Video]

I kiiid!

135 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 12:59:38am

re: #132 bat boy

Hey Bat Guano!

Hi Bat! Welcome to the Brotherhood of the Bat! :)

136 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:00:30am

re: #116 gmsc

Still waiting on the porquenotecalleas.com domain registration payday.

//

137 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:00:34am

re: #133 gmsc

I almost forgot about that.

138 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:01:13am

re: #136 Fenway_Nation

Still waiting on the porquenotecalleas.com domain registration payday.

//

It's probably coming!

139 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:02:44am

re: #129 Scion9

Scion9, that is really interesting. What you say makes a lot of sense to me. Paranoia is interesting because there's more than one kind and not all diagnoses of paranoia (so far as I know) entail narcissism; for example, paranoid schizophrenics. They're paranoid for sure--but not diagnosed with (or suffering from) narcissism.

you said:

It's more akin to a severe phobia and the person is irrationally afraid of threats to their privacy and safety from any and all possible sources. I'm sure some paranoids rationalize their irrational fear into something they can cope with. That being if there are threats to their safety and privacy there simply must be good reason for that to be the case.

Yes, i think that's right; in some cases (possibly many) they're reasoning backwards from the phobic reaction (intense fear, anxiety) to some rational explanation for it ("people are after me: it's the CIA [or whoever] )
As humans we love to look for patterns and explanations, and that applies to us all even when we're intensely phobic and fearful. Maybe even especially then? It can give us a sense of having control in a world that appears very frightening.

I'm so sorry for you and the person close to you who you mention in the last paragraph; that's so hard.

140 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:05:28am

re: #133 gmsc

re: #130 BatGuano

Shit! gmsc beat me to posting that vid!

How the hell are you, beloved BatGuano baby?

141 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:05:58am

Bat Boy and Excrement From the Bat's Rear Private Parts. Together at last.

142 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:07:41am

I am thinking this new spy comment thingy is cool, but the middle of the night might not be the best time for it.

143 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:09:57am

re: #142 Sharmuta

I am thinking this new spy comment thingy is cool, but the middle of the night might not be the best time for it.

Dang it! Hi Sharm! just watching movies and blogging..Hope today finds you well..

144 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:10:07am

re: #131 HoosierHoops

There isn't a Man in America that wouldn't do Sandra..She is smoking hot.

Yeah and not only men. Just sayin'.

145 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:11:20am

re: #140 iceweasel

re: #130 BatGuano

Shit! gmsc beat me to posting that vid!

How the hell are you, beloved BatGuano baby?

I am fine, although I seem to have a nocturnal insect eating rival. But I am a colonel and have that going for me which is good.

146 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:12:06am

re: #144 iceweasel

Yeah and not only men. Just sayin'.

I'm not saying one word...
*wink*

147 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:12:45am

Hi Hoops!

148 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:12:57am

re: #145 BatGuano

You'll always be first in my heart, no matter what bat-challengers arise.

But wait a minute...are you Colonel BatGuano?!

Because if you are, we already know each other...

149 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:13:10am

I see we also can't see the dinging in the spy-comment thingy.

150 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:14:26am

re: #141 Sharmuta

"Excrement From the Bat's Rear Private Parts. " Lovely way you put it. :)

151 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:14:47am

re: #147 Sharmuta

Hi Hoops!

Hi Sweetheart...I'm just about ready to write up a review of the movie unfaithful...
Hope today finds you well my friend

152 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:14:56am

re: BatGuano

Not me- it was Aisha.

153 gmsc  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:15:39am

I've got to work tomorrow, so I'm drifting off early tonight.

My fruitcup is up for grabs!

Good night, all.

154 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:16:00am

re: HoosierHoops

Hi Sweetheart...I'm just about ready to write up a review of the movie unfaithful...
Hope today finds you well my friend

I am doing well, Hoops.

Good night gmsc.

155 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:16:25am

re: #153 gmsc

I've got to work tomorrow, so I'm drifting off early tonight.

My fruitcup is up for grabs!

Good night, all.

Part pooper! G'night gmsc.

156 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:16:26am

So, how does one comment from the spy? I opened it and see nothing.

157 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:16:50am

Night gmsc, pi dreams at you.

158 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:17:13am

re: BlueCanuck

You have to click the Spy icon on individual threads. See the thread downstairs for full details.

159 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:17:36am

re: #148 iceweasel

Were you ever at Burpleson Air Force Base?

160 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:18:25am

Ah ha, I see. Thanks Sharmuta. Missed that thread.

161 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:19:19am

And while I'm discussing things from Latin America, here is a 330-car Brazilian ore train:

The longest trains in the world are run in either Brazil or Western Australia. Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton have they own private rail lines in the far northwestern corner of Australia.

Companhia do Valle do Rio Doce, a Brazilian mining company that owns several rail lines in eastern Brazil assumed control of railway operations from three different states and since 2000 has been investing over US$1 billion in capacity improvement and rolling stock alone.

How come we don't see 300+ car freight trains here? Simply put, it would be a logistical nightmare- a 2-mile long freight train wouldn't fit into most sidings on this continent, trains barely 1/10th that length will draw scores of complaints if they block a highway crossing long enough and one broken coupler or airhose would mean the conductor would have to get out and walk the length of the train...nothing like a brisk two mile hike while your train is clogging a major transportation artery. The Australian and Brazilian operators don't have to worry about such limitations (especially the BHP and Rio Tinto mining railways, since they are disconnected from the rest of Australia's rail network).

But fear not- the locomotives used in both the Brazilian and Australian examples are American made...

162 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:20:05am

re: #152 Sharmuta

Not me- it was Aisha.

Fie upon Aisha! (who's Aisha?)

163 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:20:35am

re: BlueCanuck

Ah ha, I see. Thanks Sharmuta. Missed that thread.

No problem. Us blue folk have to stick together.

164 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:20:52am

Ask not who is Aisha. Believe me you are better off not knowing. She got the stick a long time ago I believe.

165 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:21:36am

re: #155 BatGuano

Part pooper! G'night gmsc.

Part pooper and part what else?

=P

166 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:21:49am

oh that aisha

167 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:22:01am

re: Sharmuta

Yes we do. But we are both blue for different reasons. :)

/can some one turn the thermostat up please?

168 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:22:14am

re: BlueCanuck

Ask not who is Aisha. Believe me you are better off not knowing. She got the stick a long time ago I believe.

No no no no no. Aisha was here last week- maybe it's two weeks ago now.

Aisha is classic. I don't really want to explain "her". It's best to let folks get it themselves.

169 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:22:29am

re: #164 BlueCanuck

No...Aisha made an appearence in one of the overnight threads a few weeks back.

170 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:22:46am

sure is cold here in chicagostan some one tell al bore

171 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:23:04am

re: Sharmuta

What? She's still around? Wow. You are right though, she is an experience.

172 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:23:25am

re: #159 BatGuano

Were you ever at Burpleson Air Force Base?

Now look, Colonel... Bat Guano, if that really is your name...all I'm saying is we have to guard our precious essences.

173 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:24:19am

UnFaithful 3 star (2002)
Richard Gere Diana Lane..
This movie started out with great promise...In fact the first time Diana hooked up with the French dude it was movie magic...No nudity...but just smoking hot scenes suggesting sex..Very good directing and writing...
about half way the movie goes to a lower level and almost becomes unwatchable...I thought we had a keeper...just another shit movie...
Checking on demand...dang it

174 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:24:24am

re: BlueCanuck

She really cracks me up. She saw Bat Guano and called him "Excrement of the Bat's Rear Private Part" and I thought I was going to bust my gut for laughing.

175 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:24:41am

still have to wear a hoodie and coat in the morning and it is the middle of june already

176 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:25:33am

re: #173 HoosierHoops

I was waiting for you review...I thought that movie was so promising and then it turned into a pile of poo midway through. :(

177 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:26:03am

re: yochanan

It's barely gotten better here. This time last week was still jacket weather. Usually this time it's shorts weather.

178 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:26:06am

sharmuta you never told me how much IT will cost me?

179 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:27:06am

re: #175 yochanan

still have to wear a hoodie and coat in the morning and it is the middle of june already


Damn that global warming!

I know...let's eschew those lethal nuisances like the internal combustion engine or coal-fired power plants!

180 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:27:43am

re: yochanan

sharmuta you never told me how much IT will cost me?

Well- IT can be expensive. I mean- how many computer geeks you keep on staff depends on how large the company is. ;p

181 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:28:34am

re: Sharmuta

can we dicker a price?

182 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:28:47am

Hmmm, half an hour till fruit cup. Do I stay? Or do I hit the hay?

183 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:29:08am

Always stay for Fruitcup.

184 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:29:48am

did some one say FRUIT CUP

185 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:30:02am

re: #176 iceweasel

I was waiting for you review...I thought that movie was so promising and then it turned into a pile of poo midway through. :(

Ok OK...Isn't Diana Lane a beautiful woman? jeez she is cute...Ok I said it...

186 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:30:29am

re: #173 HoosierHoops

Maybe it's just me, but I think the majority of stuff from hollywood these days is "shit movies".

187 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:30:29am

Yeah, but I have been up since 8 yesterday morning. Don't know what I am doing later today, but it could get busy.

188 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:30:58am

re: #174 Sharmuta

She really cracks me up. She saw Bat Guano and called him "Excrement of the Bat's Rear Private Part" and I thought I was going to bust my gut for laughing.

I remember the crack (no pun intended) I don't remember who said it. I expect it. I think it is humorous.

189 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:31:17am

WONDER if the mad mullah's will start mass murder to stay in power or start a war?

190 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:31:33am

re: BatGuano

I remember the crack (no pun intended) I don't remember who said it. I expect it. I think it is humorous.

It was hilarious. I saved it to my favorites because it was Classic Aisha™.

191 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:32:02am

You cannot use preview in the spy.

192 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:32:37am

re: #186 Sharmuta

Redacted, In the Valley of Ellah, Rendition, Stop Loss...

It isn't just you, Sharm.

193 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:32:59am

re: Fenway_Nation

Snakes on a mother f*cking plane!

194 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:33:30am

re: #186 Sharmuta

Maybe it's just me, but I think the majority of stuff from hollywood these days is "shit movies".

Yup...But i continue my weekly reviews cause I love movies...
:)

195 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:33:43am

re: HoosierHoops

Yup...But i continue my weekly reviews cause I love movies...
:)

You are a trooper.

196 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:34:00am

re: HoosierHoops

shit makes money

197 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:34:01am

re: #172 iceweasel

Now look, Colonel... Bat Guano, if that really is your name...all I'm saying is we have to guard our precious essences.

Hey, I'm not with Jack Ripper on the precious bodily fluids thing ( I don't even understand it) I just don't want to piss off the Coca Cola Company: The real power.

198 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:35:40am

i did not get the burning moped thing in the iranian riot pics until i saw that is the iranian pig's mode of transport

199 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:36:45am

re: #185 HoosierHoops

Ok OK...Isn't Diana Lane a beautiful woman? jeez she is cute...Ok I said it...

hey, no argument here AT ALL. She's beautiful. And those scenes you mention were hot. Partly because they weren't explicit at all!

Hmmm, occurs to me it might make for a good rental for male lizards on a date at home, if you can plan to finish splitting a bottle of wine with your honey and shutting the movie off halfway through. Deserves a star for that!

200 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:38:12am

Up to 100 members of Iranian reformist groups have been arrested, accused of orchestrating violence after the disputed presidential election result.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

201 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:38:21am

re: #170 yochanan

sure is cold here in chicagostan some one tell al bore

It's been in the high 80's to mid 90's here since May, sometimes hitting triple digits. This phenomenon is known as "local weather", and has nothing to do with the phenomenon known as "climate".

/Al's still an ass, though

202 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:38:51am

re: yochanan

Not just an Iranian thing. An old world/European thing. Remember back during my peace keeping tour in Cyprus. Used to see groups of 20 or more of those things screaming through the streets. Called them wannabe bikers.

203 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:39:27am

my wifie watches these stupid chick flicks and she tends to watch them more than a few times

204 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:39:38am

re: #200 Sharmuta

Up to 100 members of Iranian reformist groups have been arrested, accused of orchestrating violence after the disputed presidential election result.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

I'm only surprised that they haven't been executed. And such small numbers!

205 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:39:45am

re: #197 BatGuano

That IS the best scene in the movie, in my opinion.

There's a 'colonel bat guano" who posts in the lib/progressive blogosphere, and a "Colonel BatGuano" i've seen hanging around a couple of righty blogs. Both are pretty reasonable. It would have freaked me out if you turned out to be one of them!

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:40:15am

re: #186 Sharmuta

German pr0n? Really?
/

207 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:40:18am

re: BatGuano

i am sure it is higher numbers

208 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:40:38am

re: #195 Sharmuta

You are a trooper.

It's worse than that..In about 2 hours the sun will begin to shine and I'll take my drunk ass outside and swim laps...in 128 minutes i will be the most sober man you ever met...That's just the way I roll...
I'm teasing you Sharm...Nobody is here..Thank you so much for your support a couple days ago. I will never forget your kindness..
The Hoopster

209 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:42:37am

re: #205 iceweasel

That IS the best scene in the movie, in my opinion.

There's a 'colonel bat guano" who posts in the lib/progressive blogosphere, and a "Colonel BatGuano" i've seen hanging around a couple of righty blogs. Both are pretty reasonable. It would have freaked me out if you turned out to be one of them!

Nay, there is but one. And it is the one you see before you.

210 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:42:44am

have a good one lizards off to get a few zzz/s

211 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:43:32am

re: #210 yochanan

have a good one lizards off to get a few zzz/s


G'night, yochanan.

212 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:43:39am

re: #208 HoosierHoops

{Hoops}. It means a lot to me that you're so appreciative, but it's because you are a decent person that you have friends who care about you.

213 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:43:57am

Night yochanan. Rest well.

214 yochanan  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:44:13am

will try canuck

215 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:44:45am

re: #207 yochanan

I agree with you.

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:49:25am
217 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:50:19am

re: #212 Sharmuta

{Hoops}. It means a lot to me that you're so appreciative, but it's because you are a decent person that you have friends who care about you.

It's not even 5am yet...I'm dreading getting into the pool in an hour.
all kidding aside...Sharm you are my favorite blogger...There I said it...
dang it! *wink*

218 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:52:13am

re: #215 BatGuano

I agree with you.

2,000 years ago, Roman soldiers had the same thing! They just had to share.

219 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:56:36am

re: #217 HoosierHoops

You are a sweetie. Your friendship and support mean so much to me. And that goes for all my friends here. If we really still had the lounge, I would say more, because it would be more private, but it's too personal for me to share on a thread. Needless to say- the support and love I get from some of you fine folks makes the hard times I went through worth it. I love you guys.

220 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:57:14am

re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth

2,000 years ago, Roman soldiers had the same thing! They just had to share.
Iscrewed that up.

221 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:57:25am

re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude. Just... dude.

My god, why are we linking that? :(

(Hi sharmuta!)

222 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:57:48am

For Sleepy B

223 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 1:58:54am

re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude. Just... dude.

When a hand and arm just wont do. WTH?!

224 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:00:12am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

225 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:00:43am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Thank you, littleoldlady!

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:01:30am

re: #221 iceweasel

I wanders wide on the intertoobs, finding obscure insanities. Sometimes I links to thems.

227 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:01:39am

re: #223 Sharmuta

When a hand and arm just wont do. WTH?!

So is it the end of the world when you watch TMZ at 5am?

228 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:02:05am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you, littleoldlady!

229 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:02:05am

FRUIT CUP! ! ! ! Thanks littleoldlady. Now I am off to bed. :)

230 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:02:32am

Sharmuta! :-)

BatGuano! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

231 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:02:55am

'Night, Blue! :-)

232 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:02:59am

Hi, iceweasel!

Good night, Blue.

See you lurking, gmsc...

233 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:03:32am

re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth

nothing wrong with that, I even kind of dig it. (blushes)

You're a majestic behemoth, ranging far and wide across the vast wilderness of the tubes. None can contain you.

234 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:03:37am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Hey you! kind regards...I've been eating pineapples this morning...Drinking Bud lights with fruit is messing me up...LOL

235 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:03:54am

re: #222 Sharmuta

For Sleepy B


Sounds a lot like this.

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:04:35am

re: #222 Sharmuta

Gots that live album. One of a kind music, it is. Gives this die hard metal-head chills. Good goose flesh.

237 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:04:46am

Hoosier! :-)

Pineapple and beer?!

/as the stomach turns...

;-)

238 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:05:32am

re: #235 BatGuano

This is probably my favorite Portishead:

239 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:06:00am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Good morning, littleoldlady! thanks for the magic cup o'fruit.

240 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:06:07am

re: #233 iceweasel

nothing wrong with that, I even kind of dig it. (blushes)

You're a majestic behemoth, ranging far and wide across the vast wilderness of the tubes. None can contain you.

Wow! He sounds like a woolly mammoth. :)

241 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:06:13am

Hiya Lol!

Is TallOldMan going to the Phillies/Sox game later on today?

242 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:06:31am

re: #237 littleoldlady

Hoosier! :-)

Pineapple and beer?!

/as the stomach turns...

;-)

yup.That's how I roll!
How are you this morning?

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:07:14am

re: #223 Sharmuta

Be they overly obese or overly muscular, big people need some extra help in that department, I guess.

244 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:07:48am

iceweasel! :-)

Fenway! :-)

Yes he is! :-)

/G-d willing...if it would only stop raining around here!

245 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:08:23am

re: #237 littleoldlady

Hoosier! :-)

Pineapple and beer?!

/as the stomach turns...

;-)

As the stomach turns: Carol Burnett Show!

246 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:08:25am

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

I remember well we bonded over the Portishead- you're the one who turned me on to this live performance. It's awesome. I love when orchestras get added to the mix of modern music. Always cool.

247 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:09:06am

re: #242 HoosierHoops

A few more ounces of coffee and I'll be able to tell you!

;-)

How is your vacation coming along?

Pineapple and beer...OY.

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:09:11am

re: #233 iceweasel

I have my limits. "Shit movies" is one of them.

249 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:09:29am

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL

250 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:10:31am

re: #238 Sharmuta

This is probably my favorite Portishead:


Listening. Love it. Thanks, Waa Waa Pedal!

251 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:10:33am

re: #246 Sharmuta

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Love Portishead, love.

SHarmuta, probably agree with you on fave song--and that album is spectacular--but this is really cool too: (already posted? Somewhere, surely)

252 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:11:37am

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

A man has to know his limits. :)

253 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:11:41am

re: #251 iceweasel

It's tough to pick a favorite off of 'Dummy'. The whole album is great.

254 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:12:27am

re: #238 Sharmuta

On of mine as well. Still waiting to hear a Lizard fan's take on their third album. The few tracks I've heard didn't thrill me.

255 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:12:39am

"Nobody loves me- it's true..."

256 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:13:38am

"...not like you do"

257 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:13:45am

re: #254 Slumbering Behemoth

You linked me to a song, remember. I didn't care for it either. Sometimes, some bands need to know when to move on and stop recording.

258 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:14:25am

re: #247 littleoldlady

A few more ounces of coffee and I'll be able to tell you!

;-)

How is your vacation coming along?

Pineapple and beer...OY.

Hey you...In 50 minutes I'm swimming...Remember when I would bitch about 10 inches of snow? Ain't no playschool now...It's warm...in 24 hours we will be at the cabin...life is good my friend...
Beer and pineapples...

259 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:15:01am

re: #258 HoosierHoops

Where abouts is this cabin, Hoops?

260 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:16:30am

re: #258 HoosierHoops

Swimming? I thought you were headed to the cabin yesterday?

/swim detour?

261 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:17:09am

re: #240 BatGuano

Bwahahaha! Where Strides The Behemoth!?!

/going to and from teh interwebs, and surfing up and down on it

262 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:17:41am

re: #259 Sharmuta

Where abouts is this cabin, Hoops?

Lake Tomahawk, Wisc. I bought it about 10 years ago for 40K...
It is paradise...

263 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:17:44am

re: #254 Slumbering Behemoth

On of mine as well. Still waiting to hear a Lizard fan's take on their third album. The few tracks I've heard didn't thrill me.

i only heard a few on lastfm or somewhere. I wasn't thrilled. Granted, it's be hard to beat or match Dummy or Portishead...I didn't get Third and didn't want to because I couldn't stand being disappointed.

264 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:20:16am

re: #263 iceweasel

it'd not it's. PIMF

265 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:21:56am

re: #262 HoosierHoops

Wisconsin is very beautiful in some areas. I'm not as familiar with Northern WI as I am with Southern WI. Spent a lot of time in the southern part of the state as a girl.

266 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:22:32am

re: #244 littleoldlady

iceweasel! :-)

Fenway! :-)

Yes he is! :-)

/G-d willing...if it would only stop raining around here!

Right now, rain might be the only way the Phils avoid getting swept :P

267 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:23:27am

re: #261 Slumbering Behemoth

From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

268 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:23:32am

re: #266 Fenway_Nation

Around here we never worry until September.

;-)

269 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:24:49am

re: #251 iceweasel

That's the first song of theirs I ever heard. On the radio. That single was hot at the time. I heard it a few times, and was so impressed I had to find out the name of that band. I listened to several hours of shitty radio just to hear any DJ mention the band's name.

270 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:27:00am

re: #269 Slumbering Behemoth

I love you fiery middle finger.

271 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:27:05am

re: #265 Sharmuta

Wisconsin is very beautiful in some areas. I'm not as familiar with Northern WI as I am with Southern WI. Spent a lot of time in the southern part of the state as a girl.

There is nothing more inspiring than to be in a boat with a Bald Eagle flying over you at 5am...

272 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:27:54am

re: #269 Slumbering Behemoth

That's the first song of theirs I ever heard. On the radio. That single was hot at the time. I heard it a few times, and was so impressed I had to find out the name of that band. I listened to several hours of shitty radio just to hear any DJ mention the band's name.

Don't you hate that?

Of course- I rarely listen to the radio anymore either- I just love pandora, where I can always get the band/song information.

273 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:28:25am

re: #271 HoosierHoops

I envy you, my friend.

274 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:28:58am

Holy cannoli! There's a skunk in my neighbor's yard!

This is "a first". You never see skunks around here.

/SMELL them, yes...

Suburban Philadelphia = Wild Kingdom

275 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:30:03am

re: #271 HoosierHoops

There is nothing more inspiring than to be in a boat with a Bald Eagle flying over you at 5am...

Years ago, I was on the banks of Lake Pepin one morning, when a young Bald Eagle swooped past my friend and I- about 6 feet from us. I doubt I'll ever be that close to a Bald Eagle again. Just incredible.

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:31:00am

re: #270 BatGuano

Fun fact: every gee-damn pair of Mechanix gloves I have ever owned have always worn through on that finger first. Right through.

277 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:31:14am

re: #274 littleoldlady

Holy cannoli! There's a skunk in my neighbor's yard!

This is "a first". You never see skunks around here.

/SMELL them, yes...

Suburban Philadelphia = Wild Kingdom

Call Marlon Perkins! He'll know what to do.

278 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:31:34am

re: #269 Slumbering Behemoth

That's the first song of theirs I ever heard. On the radio. That single was hot at the time. I heard it a few times, and was so impressed I had to find out the name of that band. I listened to several hours of shitty radio just to hear any DJ mention the band's name.

I never heard them on the radio in the US...I was probably not listening to good radio when I was in the US.

I was living in the UK at the time and Portishead were a much bigger deal there. Trip-hop or "Bristol Sound" I guess it's called.

You probably liked Massive Attack, Mezzanine? here's angel from that:

Massive Attack was a big deal in the US though, right? one of their songs is even the theme for House now...

I'm largely ignorant of music, I just know what I like. :)

279 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:32:07am

re: #277 BatGuano

Call Marlon Perkins! He'll know what to do.

Actually, I know what to do, too.

/STAY IN THE HOUSE!

;-)

280 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:32:11am

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

Do tell. :)

281 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:33:03am

re: #272 Sharmuta

Pandora ROCKS.

282 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:33:18am

re: #279 littleoldlady

Actually, that is what I would do.

283 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:34:05am

re: #281 iceweasel

I ♥ Pandora!

284 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:36:43am

re: #283 Sharmuta

I ♥ Pandora!

god, pandora is AMAZING-- it's just such a good way to find new music, too.

I have a number of male friends who are semi-autistic about music (and i mean that in the most loving way possible; they're just hyper alert and aware and always telling me about stuff) -- they and pandora are the only ways I find out anything about music. Left to my own devices lord knows what I'd do.

285 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:40:05am

Hey everyone. Indulge me on this (or not). A song from when I was 12 years old.

286 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:40:27am

re: #284 iceweasel

Pandora has turned me on to some good stuff too. I like the "Add Variety" feature- it's helped round out some of my stations without having to create new ones. For example- I was disappointed in my SRV station- after awhile- they were repeating songs. I was stunned- you'd think there would be plenty of Blues that station could play! So I added Joe Bonamassa to station, and voilá! Lots of hot, smokin' Blues now.

287 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:43:19am

re: #285 BatGuano

Hey everyone. Indulge me on this (or not). A song from when I was 12 years old.

Never mind. This has probably gone over like a Led Zeppelin.

288 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:44:37am

re: #287 BatGuano

I love the song, though.

289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:44:44am

re: #278 iceweasel

You probably liked Massive Attack, Mezzanine?

Out of my scope, really. Head banging, horn throwing metal-head that I am.

Massive Attack was a big deal in the US though, right?

Maybe? No clue here. That link was cool though.

290 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:45:11am

Led Zeppelin?

291 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:45:21am

re: #287 BatGuano

Oh hush. I already updinged you for it and was still listening. And I'd heard it before, so nyah.
And surely you're not old enough to have been twelve when it came out?

-- don't tell me if you are. I'm a liberal, I like having my illusions and resist seeing them shattered. :)

292 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:46:38am

I had a friend bitch one time that all Zeppelin songs were about the Lord of the Rings. I said they say "Baby" in every song.

293 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:47:28am

re: #289 Slumbering Behemoth

Maybe? No clue here. That link was cool though.

Oh I don't know-- like I said-- I kinda thought this album was big in the US, but I wasn't in the US.

Here, i know you're a headbanging metal guy and all, but if you liked the earlier massive attack link you'd probably like this one better (i think)

Inertia Creeps

294 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:49:16am

re: #292 Sharmuta

I had a friend bitch one time that all Zeppelin songs were about the Lord of the Rings. I said they say "Baby" in every song.

heh. So true, on both counts.

Let's not forget Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and the rule that you have to put on Led Zep while making out (or something like that?)

295 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:49:20am

re: #293 iceweasel

Both your songs have the embedding disabled by request.

296 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:50:21am

re: #287 BatGuano

Never mind. This has probably gone over like a Led Zeppelin.

ref to a 'Lead' Zeppelin has been noted and appreciated, btw.

297 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:51:51am

re: #291 iceweasel

Yes, I was twelve. I thought it would be brand new to a younger generation.

298 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:52:10am

re: #295 Sharmuta

Both your songs have the embedding disabled by request.

really? that's v weird...what can I do? Sorry-- its working for me even when I click through. :(

hmm, ok, google inertia creeps massive attack on YouTube
and angel massive attack

I've had this prob before...

299 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:52:26am

Sleepy B- check your email, please.

300 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:53:16am

re: #290 Sharmuta

Led Zeppelin is a Guaranteed upding. :)

301 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:53:42am

re: #278 iceweasel

Also, it sounds as though this particular video game borrowed heavily for that particular song.

302 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:54:02am

re: #298 iceweasel

I clicked it twice to go to the youtube page, but you can tell if your video will play embedded by the little box of info on the right- where the uploaders info is. There's a space there with the URL or it says "Embedding disabled by request".

303 rightside  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:54:19am

Morning Lizards.

304 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:54:41am

re: #300 BatGuano

Led Zeppelin is a Guaranteed upding. :)

Sometimes, you just gotta let the Led out. ;)

305 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:55:05am

re: rightside

Good morning.

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:55:44am

re: #299 Sharmuta

'KAY!

307 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:56:41am

re: #303 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Good morning. 90, 000 tons of diplomacy ! I love that.

308 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:57:26am

re: #297 BatGuano

Yes, I was twelve. I thought it would be brand new to a younger generation.

I hung out/hang out with a lot of older people. :(

Also: Cheer up Sleepy B! Oh what can it mean... (hope this link will work)

309 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:57:28am

Hey guys,

I was wondering if you guys had some good statistic/info/whatever sites that offer the argument against socialized healthcare/medicine in a clear and concise way. I was at a party and having a discussion with a guy who was willing to listen about a whole lot of issues, then healthcare came up and I started talking about it but he wanted more info so I told him I'd come on and get some good information proving what I was saying. Anyone have any good links?

310 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:58:27am

re: #302 Sharmuta

Thanks, I will try to be sure to check that-- i didn't before; I just cut and pasted the URL. Thanks!

311 rightside  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:58:48am

re: #305 Sharmuta

re: #307 BatGuano

Good morning to you too.

312 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 2:59:43am

re: #308 iceweasel

I hung out/hang out with a lot of older people. :(

Also: Cheer up Sleepy B! Oh what can it mean... (hope this link will work)


It works. Davey Jones of the Monkees. T hanks Ice.

313 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:00:23am

rightside! :-)

314 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:00:41am

re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth

Also, it sounds as though this particular video game borrowed heavily for that particular song.

Oh my god, yes -- That sounds EXACTLY like it. (I'm utterly ignorant of gaming)

that's so close though, I imagine they must have paid them and stripped out the vocals?

315 rightside  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:04:16am

re: #313 littleoldlady

lol!

316 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:04:30am

re: #309 TheMatrix31

This is your lucky day, Matrix! :-)

Here's part of my collection...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

[Link: www.forbes.com...]

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

317 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:04:53am

re: #316 littleoldlady

This is your lucky day, Matrix! :-)

Here's part of my collection...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

[Link: www.forbes.com...]

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

[Link: directorblue.blogspot.com...]

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

Awesome, LoL. Thank you :)

318 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:05:22am

re: #314 iceweasel

I' m listening to it. I'm ascurred!

319 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:05:51am

re: #293 iceweasel

Hmm... Massive Attack sound like something I would dig. I am a noob to that kind of music. I do like a bit of Thievery Corp, though.

Bet you've heard of them.

320 Throbert McGee  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:07:19am

re: #6 freetoken

Perhaps Tallulah's most famous [quotes]:

Cocaine habit-forming? Of course not. I ought to know. I've been using it for years.

I'm as pure as the driven slush.

Those are both classics, as is the one cited by Charles.

But Tallulah's greatest quip ever was when someone asked her if a certain well-known man, who traveled in the same social circles as she did, was one of those homosexual types:


"How should I know, daahling -- he's never sucked my cock."
321 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:07:27am

littleoldlady rocks.

322 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:09:44am

re: #321 Sharmuta

I gots a million of 'em!

/if only I could FIND them!
//organizing my bookmarks would mean I'd have to get...um...organized.

:-/

323 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:10:45am

re: #314 iceweasel

'Tis a great game, if you're into that sort of thing.

'Nother bit of music licensed for it.

324 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:11:08am

Hahaha...if you find some stuff about specifics about how bad it is in other countries, that'd be great. He understood what I was saying, but he was hesitant about believing my telling him that other countries are in bad shape with their healthcare quality and all of that, because they "still have the system, so it has to be working".

325 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:12:09am

Oh shit -- has this been posted yet? Dawn protests in Iran, 3.24 Eastern Standard Time, supposedly

let me know if that link works --

326 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:13:16am

re: #322 littleoldlady

What's driving me crazy at the moment is my LGF favorites. I'll save something I think will be handy later, and forget to stick a tag on it, and the next thing you know, it's buried in my favorites and I can't find it. I wish I could search for blanks in my favorites- I'd tag them all, but as it is, I have pages and pages of the "All" to go through. *sigh*

327 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:13:30am

re: #322 littleoldlady

I gots a million of 'em!

/if only I could FIND them!
//organizing my bookmarks would mean I'd have to get...um...organized.

:-/

Sounds like a reference to Jimmy Durante.

328 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:14:25am

re: #325 iceweasel

Yes- the link works. Besides the youtube info where it will say if embedding is disabled, you can always use the "preview" function. The embedded video will load in preview, and you can see if it works.

329 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:14:54am

re: #325 iceweasel

Yup, it works.

330 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:15:15am

This is another great article...REALLY long, though, which (according to my cousin the doctor) really hits the nail on the head vis a vis how to REDUCE healthcare costs within our current system.

Someone has been posting a series of links in the spinoffs..."How not to run a healthcare system, #XX" that deals mostly with Great Britain and all the badness they are running into. I don't exactly know how you can do a search for them, but they're in there...somewhere.

331 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:15:40am

re: #325 iceweasel

Interesting- I just read a report the Tehran is quiet today.

332 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:16:09am

re: #324 TheMatrix31

I remember hearing about a married couple in Calgary a few years ago that were expecting triplets. They wanted to see a specialist, but the waitlist was so long, they wouldn't be able to schedule an appointment until a few weeks after the due date.

So they went to Monatana instead.

333 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:16:09am

re: #326 Sharmuta

I just had to favorite my own post just so I won't lose those links again.

/that's bad :-(

334 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:17:13am

supposed letter from mousavi to the people of iran--

In the Name of God

Honorable people of Iran

The reported results of the 10th Iranians residential Election are appalling. The people who witnessed the mixture of votes in long lineups know who they have voted for and observe the wizardry of I.R.I.B (State run TV and Radio) and election officials. Now more than ever before they want to know how and by which officials this game plan has been designed. I object fully to the current procedures and obvious and abundant deviations from law on the day of election and alert people to not surrender to this dangerous plot. Dishonesty and corruption of officials as we have seen will only result in weakening the pillars of the Islamic Republic of Iran and empowers lies and dictatorships.

I am obliged, due to my religious and national duties, to expose this dangerous plot and to explain its devastating effects on the future of Iran. I am concerned that the continuation of the current situation will transform all key members of this regime into fabulists in confrontation with the nation and seriously jeopardize them in this world and the next.

I advise all officials to halt this agenda at once before it is too late, return to the rule of law and protect the nation’s vote and know that deviation from law renders them illegitimate. They are aware better than anyone else that this country has been through a grand Islamic revolution and the least message of this revolution is that our nation is alert and will oppose anyone who aims to seize the power against the law.

I use this chance to honor the emotions of the nation of Iran and remind them that Iran, this sacred being, belongs to them and not to the fraudulent. It is you who should stay alert. The traitors to the nation’s vote have no fear if this house of Persians burns in flames. We will continue with our green wave of rationality that is inspired by our religious learnings and our love for prophet Mohammad and will confront the rampage of lies that has appeared and marked the image of our nation. However we will not allow our movement to become blind one.

I thank every citizen who took part in spreading this green message by becoming a campaigner and all official and self organized campaigns, I insist that their presence is essential until we achieve results deserving of our country.

[ verse from in Quran: Why not trust in God, who has shown us our ways. We are patient in face of what disturbs us. Our resilience is in god. ]

Mir Hossein Mousavi

posted at tehran bureau, link here: [Link: tehranbureau.com...]

farsi original also available at link.

335 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:18:05am

re: #333 littleoldlady

I favorite some of my good links so that when I'm not at my home computer, I can still access these links to use again. I think the one I've used the most is the one about how many of the Founders were Deists. And the link on how Russia has gone fascist I've used a lot too. If it wasn't for my favorites, I'm not sure I'd be able to access those links so quickly.

336 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:18:06am

re: #328 Sharmuta

Yes- the link works. Besides the youtube info where it will say if embedding is disabled, you can always use the "preview" function. The embedded video will load in preview, and you can see if it works.

Thank you! I have only just figured that out; will try to make sure I always use it. Thanks.

337 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:19:40am

re: #331 Sharmuta

Interesting- I just read a report the Tehran is quiet today.

Well, the site reporting it is called tehran bureau--but I don't know where the vid was shot. No further info yet. It's from 3 hours ago.

338 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:22:16am

re: #334 iceweasel

Where does one go for news from Iran that isn't a state-run outfit?

339 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:22:38am

I wish we could search our hearted posts by words/phrases in the title of the thread or of the post itself.

340 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:25:19am

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

I remember hearing about a married couple in Calgary a few years ago that were expecting triplets. They wanted to see a specialist, but the waitlist was so long, they wouldn't be able to schedule an appointment until a few weeks after the due date.

So they went to Monatana instead.

Wow.

341 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:26:50am

I've lost count of all the disastrous economic policies of the Obama administration (in only 5 MONTHS!), but the two that really worry me are cap and trade and this so-called healthcare reform. Everything else we will eventually recover from, but either or both of those will finish us for good.

The good news is, at the moment I don't think either would pass. HOWEVER, it may come down to mobilizing the public to flood Congress with emails, etc., much like the illegal alien fiasco of a couple of years ago.

Be prepared, folks!

342 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:27:37am

re: #339 TheMatrix31

I wish we could search our hearted posts by words/phrases in the title of the thread or of the post itself.

The favorites were updated recently with a calendar and the ability to search for links, comments or posts. I thought that was a big improvement. I just wish I could search blank tags.

343 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:29:59am

re: #338 Fenway_Nation

Where does one go for news from Iran that isn't a state-run outfit?

good question and I honestly can't tell you.

I've been finding stuff via (mostly lefty) blogs; I have no idea how accurate any of it is yet. They link to Farsi stuff, but I don't read farsi, and so I'm relying on translations.

I just found this in Time this am:

After a Disputed Election, Tehran's Streets Become a Battleground

It's way past midnight in Tehran, but this city is not sleeping. Outside on the streets, people are honking their horns in protest and stretching their hands out of cars making peace signs — a sign of support for Mir-Hossein Mousavi, the opposition candidate apparently defeated by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran's presidential election on Friday.

snip
groups of people had formed fronts and threw stones at the police forces, leaving stones covering many streets. One of the men throwing stones said they would not stop until "they hold fair elections. Do they think we're that dumb?"

Wherever crowds were gathered, the police used pepper stray, which also affected passengers in cars and buses driving by. On Taleqani Street, where some of the worst clashes took place, a motorcade of basijis drove by waving metal batons and chains in the air.

snip

"This is a mammoth battle between the two Islamic Republic dinosaurs," said Reza, a 28-year old accountant, watching the protests from inside a flower shop.

From early evening onward, the entire mobile phone network was cut off, making it difficult for protestors to coordinate, or to learn of the widespread nature of the protests. The Internet was also blocked in certain parts of the city, and satellite TV trannsmissions were reduced to snow. Out of Iran's six television channels, only the all-news channel aired reports on the election, and those mostly exalted "the glory of people's participation in the election."

"They tricked us into this whole thing. They got us out in droves, only to fool us and credit themselves," one woman watching the clashes said, unable to hold back her tears.

"I even got five of my family members who had not voted since the revolution to come out and vote," she sobbed. "Shame on me!"

more at link, and photos:

[Link: www.time.com...]

344 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:30:01am

re: #341 littleoldlady

Do not underestimate the perpetual clusterfuck that will ensue if Card Check passes...

Maybe not as scary as cap and trade, but I think it's almost as damaging and something that can't be undone...

345 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:30:17am

This post at the Tehran Bureau is saying they are holding off on protests until Monday:

[Link: tehranbureau.com...]

346 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:31:00am

Matrix...

[Link: nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com...]

[Link: patriotroom.com...]

Oh! I missed this one! CHARTS!
Image: US-Health-785647.gif

347 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:31:18am

re: #338 Fenway_Nation

Where does one go for news from Iran that isn't a state-run outfit?

I found the Tehran Bureau from the NYT yesterday.

348 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:33:06am

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

thelongblogger is the one posting those links I mentioned.

349 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:33:20am

re: #343 iceweasel

"This is a mammoth battle between the two Islamic Republic dinosaurs,"

*pointing up to the sky*

"Oh no! Godzilla is attacking the city!"

/poorly lip-synched from Japanese to Farsi.

350 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:34:16am

re: #342 Sharmuta

The favorites were updated recently with a calendar and the ability to search for links, comments or posts. I thought that was a big improvement. I just wish I could search blank tags.

Sweet.

And thanks, LoL!

351 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:34:52am

re: #345 Sharmuta

This post at the Tehran Bureau is saying they are holding off on protests until Monday:

[Link: tehranbureau.com...]

yes-- because the internet is basically shut down there. They shut down Facebook, twitter (because people were using twitter to co-ordinate protests), SMS (i.e. text messaging, and web-based texting to phones), and also the use of cell phones within Iran last night.

International cell phones are still working last I heard-- people in Iran can call out to other countries if they have the right kind of phone/plan -- but they cant call each other.

352 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:35:03am

re: #344 Fenway_Nation

Seriously? You think it will permanently damage the economy?

353 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:35:06am

Lydia.

good night.

354 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:35:45am

'Night, BatGuano! :-)

355 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:36:04am

re: #349 Fenway_Nation

/poorly lip-synched from Japanese to Farsi.

Is it Mothra? Because I love Mothra!

356 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:40:12am

re: #352 littleoldlady

Yes...there's just something inherently creepy and wrong about getting rid of a secret, confidential ballot. Would most people vote the same way if their ballot wasn't anonymous?

357 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:41:36am

re: #355 iceweasel


Let's say it's Rodan...

358 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:42:27am

Unions: Duplicating all of the vices of capitalism with none of the benefits. It's like paying taxes twice.

359 BatGuano  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:43:01am

Goodnight, everyone.

360 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:43:59am

re: #357 Fenway_Nation

Let's say it's Rodan...

Is he stalking Godzilla too?

361 freetoken  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:45:04am

re: #355 iceweasel

Is it Mothra? Because I love Mothra!

Ahh... yes... and of course, Mothra's devoted twins, ザ・ピーナッツ !

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbcvVMDAN2k&feature=related

362 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:45:05am

Good night, Excrement of the Bat's Rear Private Parts.

363 freetoken  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:45:32am

That should be:

364 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:45:32am

re: #356 Fenway_Nation

Oh, I agree it's a simply awful law, sends the wrong message, and certainly has nothing to do with freedom or democracy. But it seems to me it would be relatively easy to repeal or rewrite later.

/I hope. :-/

365 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:45:39am

re: #360 Sharmuta

Is he stalking Godzilla too?

Over at Godzilla2?

366 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:46:01am

re: #365 haakondahl

LMAO!

367 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:46:34am

re: #345 Sharmuta

This post at the Tehran Bureau is saying they are holding off on protests until Monday:

[Link: tehranbureau.com...]

Shit-- I don't know if it's true, but there's a post up from a while ago (today) on tehran bureau saying "TEHRAN BUREAU NOW BLOCKED IN IRAN"

It's pleading for help--

it says this:

Sunday Iran Alerts
From a friend via email: He issued an official statement saying dont do anything today — but called for a massive demo tomorrow from Valiasr Sq to Tajrish It was crazy last night. Ruzbeh was jailed, Siavash was tazored and beaten, Ali too, (all in separate areas). At 11 pm we went to Parkway, a lot of people were out … they broke all the gov. bank windows, took down lampposts, made burning barricades … and they killed two basijis! … it was so surreal … THEN..
… THEY came (30, 40 basijis on motorbikes, with these spiky things they were swinging …) and chased everyone … stampede-style mass panic … it was like pamplona running of the bulls … girls screaming ……..

Dear staff at BBC/VOA Persian:

You are the only means of mass communication left to Iranians in the absence of sms/mobile/Facebook networks and the arrests of Reformist leaders.

The Islamic Republic has never been so exposed/vulnerable – nor ever so terrorizing as a police state as now, in the aftermath of the 22 Khordad coup d’etat – which is what this election effectively was.

I deleted most of it for brevity. Again, no idea how much, if any, is true, but the whole post is here:

[Link: tehranbureau.com...]

368 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:47:09am

re: #365 haakondahl

Over at Godzilla2?

That's hilarious. :)

369 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:48:31am

re: #361 freetoken

Ahh... yes... and of course, Mothra's devoted twins, ザ・ピーナッ&# x30C4; !

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbcvVMDAN2k&feature=relate d


The Pen--*&^*&^ what?!

370 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:50:58am

re: #367 iceweasel

They can't keep communications down forever. Well- they can try, but folks have a way of getting around that sort of thing when the will is there, and I believe the will of the Iranian people IS there. They will find the means to communicate when and where protests are happening. Cutting off the communications, I think, will only strengthen the resolve of the people to push back.

371 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:53:36am

Is this business in Iran finally getting some play on TV? I'm stuck behind the AFN asleep-at-the-switch, we'll-just-roll-Larry-King-again autopilt programming, which rolls every 30-60 minutes from one network to the next, but even CNN HLN hasn't seemed to be focusing on this, aside from pimping Amanpour.

They teased "Elections results, Breaking" for TWENTY FUCKING MINUTES, across several commercial breaks, while they waited for whtever needed finishing in their connection to Amanpour in Tehran. They knew the results, and were SITTING IN THE INFORMATION because (I suppose) Amanpour is the new DAN, and if she wasn't able to announce it live, there would be Hell to pay.

I was just furious. Did anybody else see that?

372 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:54:40am

To be fair, an arrangement like the one Union Pacific Railroad has with it's furloughed employees probably wouldn't be possible without the respective unions.

Seems like a cross between UP learning from their mistakes earlier this decade [dismissing skilled workers they'd need in a year or two] and the unions not overplaying their hand (it's not often I get to say that).

But aside from that, I'd be hard-pressed to think of anything constructive unions have done in the 21st century.

Again...if I were a BLE member, I'd have serious misgivings about my union dues going to Kos photo ops.

373 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:55:41am

PIMF "sitting ON the information"

This is about as backward as news organizations abusing theoir position to embed authors with Presidential candidates to sell books after the election--with the contents off-limits before the election.
Their role in society is to provide the information, as appropriate and as available the this society, BEFORE THE ELECTION.

Sorry. I'm all shouty today.

374 freetoken  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:56:30am

re: #369 haakondahl

I said:

ザ・ピーナツ but for some reason the Unicode gets trashed on the last character, sometimes.

/Why remains a mystery to me.

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:57:02am

re: #353 BatGuano

That's some dirty stuff.

376 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:58:03am

re: #372 Fenway_Nation

To be fair, an arrangement like the one Union Pacific Railroad has with it's furloughed employees probably wouldn't be possible without the respective unions.

Seems like a cross between UP learning from their mistakes earlier this decade [dismissing skilled workers they'd need in a year or two] and the unions not overplaying their hand (it's not often I get to say that).

But aside from that, I'd be hard-pressed to think of anything constructive unions have done in the 21st century.

Again...if I were a BLE member, I'd have serious misgivings about my union dues going to Kos photo ops.

Unions, like a lot of things, are a bulwark against a certain kind of evil, and an opportunity for certain other kinds of evil, and should therefore be tightly restricted.

377 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:58:11am

Roxanne the Dog says I've been sitting here long enough and it's time to pay attention to HER.

/boy, I SURE HOPE that skunk has vacated the neighborhood
//this could get really UGLY! :-(

Good day, ALL!™

378 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:58:52am

re: #364 littleoldlady

It's a multilayered dogshit cake, LoL...

If it passes, not only will it be impossible to remove some of the union kapos from more and more sectors of societey, the lobbyist bloodsuckers will de their level best to block any attempt to overturn Card Check because it will be a huge moneymaker for the Dems...it is like stepping in three piles of dogshit all at once.

379 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 3:59:22am

re: #371 haakondahl

Is this business in Iran finally getting some play on TV? I'm stuck behind the AFN asleep-at-the-switch, we'll-just-roll-Larry-King-again autopilt programming, which rolls every 30-60 minutes from one network to the next, but even CNN HLN hasn't seemed to be focusing on this, aside from pimping Amanpour.

They teased "Elections results, Breaking" for TWENTY FUCKING MINUTES, across several commercial breaks, while they waited for whtever needed finishing in their connection to Amanpour in Tehran. They knew the results, and were SITTING IN THE INFORMATION because (I suppose) Amanpour is the new DAN, and if she wasn't able to announce it live, there would be Hell to pay.

I was just furious. Did anybody else see that?

I didn't see it, but what you describe is one reason I don't have TV anymore.

Last time I had TV was when we invaded Iraq (again) -- I only wanted CNN and BBC America and to get those I had to get "basic cable" which was still dozens of channels and dozens of dollars.

bleah.

Go on and get shouty! It's justified.

380 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:00:16am

re: #374 freetoken

I said:

ザ・ピーナツ but for some reason the Unicode gets trashed on the last character, sometimes.

/Why remains a mystery to me.

And I don't even know The Peanuts.

Is the last unicode character colliding with the beginning of the tag following it, maybe expecting another byte if not blank?

381 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:00:43am

re: #377 littleoldlady

Bye LoL!

382 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:02:52am

Have a great day, {lol}.

383 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:04:30am

re: #376 haakondahl

More than once I remember having a discussion on how shiftless and corrupt some unions have gotten. Then another party (not even a union member) turns it to 'Why do you hate unions so much? If it werent for unions, we wouldn't even have weekends or overtime!'

That's like me pointing out the exponentially higher crime rate in South Africa since the ANC took over and someone else countering with 'Why are so enthusiastic to see a return to Apartheid?'

384 rightside  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:05:28am

re: #377 littleoldlady

bye lol!

385 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:05:37am

Good morning, hows Iran?

386 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:05:57am

re: #385 Rancher

Good morning, hows Iran?

Oppressed.

387 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:09:13am

re: #377 littleoldlady


Night, L-oh-L.

388 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:09:50am

Fox says Ahmadinejad is just now starting a press conference. Bet he sounds like Baghdad Bob: There have been no arrests, the streets are calm, everyone is celebrating my landslide, there are no gays here!

389 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:13:40am

re: #388 Rancher

Fox says Ahmadinejad is just now starting a press conference. Bet he sounds like Baghdad Bob: There have been no arrests, the streets are calm, everyone is celebrating my landslide, there are no gays here!

"We have always been at war with EastAsia. I mean Eurasia. Anyway, war=peace, freedom=slavery, and ignorance=strength. Thank you and good night."

390 Rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:15:52am

re: #388 Rancher

Something like this.

391 Rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:18:35am
Mir Hossein Mousavi, the challenger in this election, said the vote was tainted by widespread fraud. It was not clear how many Iranians are aware of Mousavi's claims. Communications were disrupted beginning Friday after voting ended. This seems an apparent blackout except for state television and radio broadcast of the Interior Ministry's vote count. Mousavi's midnight news conference was not seen.

From [Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

392 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:19:51am

Was Amanpour in on the deal with Saddam Hussein? I think she was. Why should we trust her or CNN in Iran?

393 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:23:05am

Right. I'm done for. I'm tapping out. Later Lizards.

A weird bit of obscure Portishead.

394 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:28:06am

Daniel Pipes thinks Khamenei gave Ahmadinejad the election, I think Ahmadinejad stole it using his power over the Ministries. We both can't figure this out:

Why did Khamene'i select Ahmadinejad to "win" the election? Why did he not chose a president-puppet who would present a smile to the world, including Obama, handle the economy competently, not rile the population, and whose selection would not inspire riots that might destabilize the regime?
395 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:28:44am

re: #392 haakondahl

Was Amanpour in on the deal with Saddam Hussein? I think she was. Why should we trust her or CNN in Iran?


I don't.

396 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:28:57am

Good night, {Sleepy B}. Thanks for your help.

397 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:31:24am
398 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:33:04am

re: #392 haakondahl

Was Amanpour in on the deal with Saddam Hussein? I think she was. Why should we trust her or CNN in Iran?

What deal with Saddam?

BTW, Amanapour is married to Jamie Rubin, a State Department spokesman under Bill Clinton and a foreign policy advisor to John Kerry's presidential campaign. Also there were allegations that that the Bush admin had her under surveillance.

I'm not a fan of hers anyway.

399 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:35:45am

re: #397 Rancher

Daniel Pipes link.

Thanks for posting that; i will read it for sure, but later. I'm not a fan of Pipes.

400 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:39:22am

re: #398 iceweasel

What deal with Saddam?

Between Gulf Wars, CNN had struck a deal with Saddam, that they wouldn't report on the excesses and abuses perpetrated by his regime, in exchange for maintaining an office in Baghdad.

They admitted it.

401 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:44:15am

www.truthorfiction.com has Eason Jordan's own admission, which must certainly be the most charitable interpretation of the deal.

402 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:45:13am

re: #400 haakondahl

Between Gulf Wars, CNN had struck a deal with Saddam, that they wouldn't report on the excesses and abuses perpetrated by his regime, in exchange for maintaining an office in Baghdad.

They admitted it.

Wow, that's awful! I had no idea. Despicable.

small point: Amanpour only works for CNN, so she wasn't brokering that deal, right? when you say she was 'in on it'? --

(She's still worthy of condemnation for going along with it, and pls note my earlier post about reasons to think she may be less than objective anyway, even without this scandal)

Thank you; I learned from you. Will look it all up soon--(i hope).

403 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:45:47am

7 more dings

404 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:46:54am

Ledeen sums up the situation so far:

•Mousavi and Karrubi, the two “reformist” candidates in Friday’s “elections” are under house arrest, along with dozens of their followers;
•“Reformist” journalists and activists have been rounded up and jailed;
•Cell phones (including, after a day’s delay, international cell phones) have been blocked, access to internet has been filtered, facebook is unreachable, and you can’t tweet (can the silencing of Western reporters be far behind?);
•In Tehran, student dormitories are surrounded by security forces.
405 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:50:08am

re: #403 Sharmuta

7 more dings

Someone getting downdings or you talking about the fruit cup?

406 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:50:24am
407 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:54:24am

re: #406 Iron Fist

The Media Are the Enemy.

They have been for a long time-- and they're not only the enemy of the right, or of the left. THEY are our common enemy.

In my opinion.

408 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 4:56:22am

Good Morning LGF.

409 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:00:49am

re: iceweasel

They have been for a long time-- and they're not only the enemy of the right, or of the left. THEY are our common enemy.

In my opinion.

Perhaps in a theoretical sense, but the MSM are currently, and have been for many years, heavily biased against the right and in favour of the left.

410 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:05:15am

Wow! I just went looking through an old box looking for a poem I wanted to share with you guys, and found one of my all time favorite photos of myself. It's classic me. I thought I'd lost it permanently, but I didn't! Yea!

411 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:05:32am

The Teabaggers on the right "can't handle the truth", so the MSM must filter it for them!

/

412 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:07:40am

re: Iron Fist

Do you remember it comming out that CNN had been clearing their reports (and tailoring them to be cleared) through the Hussein Regiem in Iraq before the Second Gulf War? They'd deliberately quashed unfavorable reports (on little things like torture and genocide) to maintain their access to Iraq.

Of course, they didn't feel so solicitous of the US Military when Abu Grabass came out, but that is another story.

It is infuriating, really. Why should I trust any of these motherfuckers? They've been working fo ryears, decades, hell, my whole life to assure me that they aren't trustworthy enough to report on a bucket of warm spit.

I've got the message. The Media Are the Enemy.

I haven't trusted the MSM in years. Not only because they are the political enemy (which they are), but more importantly because their reporting is so often false and misleading.
The MSM makes our job as consumers of news much more difficult than it would be if they did a better job.

413 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:09:13am

re: #409 Spare O'Lake

Perhaps in a theoretical sense, but the MSM are currently, and have been for many years, heavily biased against the right and in favour of the left.

I'm quite aware that this is the Right's fave talking point; but you must understand that the left hates the MSM at least as much as you, and has hated them for longer.

the beltway media is interested in nothing but vapid stories and maintaining its own access to power; they're interested in preserving access and their invitations to the cocktail party circuit in DC.

Right now their shallowness and vapidity happens to be 'benefiting' Obama. Doesn't make me respect them or like them any better.

i realise it's heresy on a right leaning blog to point out that the MSM isn't actually liberal, but there you go.

414 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:10:14am

re: #412 Spare O'Lake

I haven't trusted the MSM in years. Not only because they are the political enemy (which they are), but more importantly because their reporting is so often false and misleading.
The MSM makes our job as consumers of news much more difficult than it would be if they did a better job.

perfect, well said.

415 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:10:45am

re: Sharmuta

Wow! I just went looking through an old box looking for a poem I wanted to share with you guys, and found one of my all time favorite photos of myself. It's classic me. I thought I'd lost it permanently, but I didn't! Yea!

Hi there. Make sure you colour it blue first before you post it.
I wouldn't want you to blow your secret identity./

416 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:11:54am

re: #411 1SG(ret)

The Teabaggers on the right "can't handle the truth", so the MSM must filter it for them!

/

They're straining the tea of truth through the filter of freedom!

/

or something like that. :)

417 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:12:42am
418 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:12:56am

re: #415 Spare O'Lake

I was going to post a poem, not my picture.

Is now a good time for poetry though?

419 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:13:13am

re: #410 Sharmuta

I want to see the picture AND know the poem. I'm greedy like that. :( Please?

420 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:13:51am

re: #419 iceweasel

OK- I will post the poem. But it will take me a few to type it, so have patience.

421 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:14:47am

I'm trying to figure out which unnecessary testings are accounting for 30% of money payed into the Medical system?

I was under the impression the biggest waste on money in the Medical industry is malpractice claims(and the associated legal costs of keeping lawyers on staff) followed by Illegals qualifying for Medicare/medicaid.

422 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:15:36am

re: Sharmuta

I was going to post a poem, not my picture.

Is now a good time for poetry though?

There is never a good time to post long poetry, unless it's one of those buzzed-up deals. Try to keep it under 5 pages. ;D

423 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:16:52am

re: #417 Iron Fist

I've been meaning to ask you thi for a few days. I like your nick. It is distinctive, to say the least. Where did it come from? I'd have never thought of the combination myself.

(Oh, and I like weasels. I used to have one. Either that or he was the biggest goddamn ferret in the world. He was a rescue animal who'd been caught in the wild. He'd been neutered, so he'd been someone's pet, and they just dumped himwhen he got big.

That is still infuriating.)

God that's so cute... ok i shouldnt say cute but something like 'cool', or better yet something articulate. Ferrets and weasels are great!

my nic is from a Matt Groening quote, the guy who created the Simpsons. It's not from the Simpsons (though I am a huge fan) but from the comic strip he wrote way before that, called "life in hell"

"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."

Where does Iron Fist come from, btw? Do I want to know?

424 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:18:34am

re: #413 iceweasel

There are statistical studies of the bias of the media based upon the number of stories on particular topics they report. There's no doubt that they lean left, with the exception of Fox, which leans right. I was most surprised to learn that that Drudge, despite his reputation, actually leans slightly left.

425 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:18:43am

I'm using this spy posting thing for the first time and notice that the comments are not numbered.
Is this by design?

426 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:19:39am

re: #417 Iron Fist Technically Ferrets are Weasels or rather member of the weasel family(Mustella). there are 16 species of weasel 10 of which include weasel in the name. Ther others are ferrets, 2 minks, Polecats, and the Stoat(also called the Ermine).

427 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:21:08am

re: #426 rustler
Rustler you ole polecat! For some reason I thought a polecat was a skunk.

428 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:21:12am

re: #425 Spare O'Lake
Probably since spy looks at posts to all threads instead of just the one so numbering there would get confusing in the actual thread.

429 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:22:39am

re: #406 Iron Fist

Do you remember it comming out that CNN had been clearing their reports (and tailoring them to be cleared) through the Hussein Regiem in Iraq before the Second Gulf War? They'd deliberately quashed unfavorable reports (on little things like torture and genocide) to maintain their access to Iraq.

Of course, they didn't feel so solicitous of the US Military when Abu Grabass came out, but that is another story.

It is infuriating, really. Why should I trust any of these motherfuckers? They've been working fo ryears, decades, hell, my whole life to assure me that they aren't trustworthy enough to report on a bucket of warm spit.

I've got the message. The Media Are the Enemy.

Eason Jordan should have been fired when that came out.

430 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:22:46am

re: #427 Rancher
Marbled Polecat. When Europeans settled america skunks were called Polecats becasue of similar facial feathures tho they aren't part of the Mustella family.

431 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:22:48am

re: #424 quickjustice

There are statistical studies of the bias of the media based upon the number of stories on particular topics they report. There's no doubt that they lean left, with the exception of Fox, which leans right. I was most surprised to learn that that Drudge, despite his reputation, actually leans slightly left.

I'm aware of those studies. But they're flawed.

For example-- take a look at the commentators mainstream news shows have on, for any given topic (and there are statistical studies on this as well) -- Republicans outnumber Democrats by a wide margin.

Well, you know the saying-- there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

In my POV, we could revise that (whether we're conservative or lib) to say "there are lies, damned lies, and the media."

432 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:23:48am

re: #413 iceweasel

i realise it's heresy on a right leaning blog to point out that the MSM isn't actually liberal, but there you go.

You do mean they aren't liberal enough for most liberals. When any group, right or left vote overwhelmingly one way, it's hard to argue they aren't that way.

Or do you mean they aren't liberal, but Socialist/Socialist leaning?

433 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:24:01am

Gloria in S Major

Slithering, slathering silly snake
supper of soup or squirrel?
We'll soup the squirrel
or squirrel the soup
with a steamy side dish
of sizzling summer stirfry.
Sunning in the sultry savannah after supper
we'll sit semi-circular
spearing strange spiders
with stolen syringes.
The stars sparkle and shimmer like sequins
on a silver dress of Sharon Stone's
while scientific satellites scan space.
Surrounded by sand and sky
the suburbs seem stupid.
Sticky Sam starts to sing slightly sharp
about skunks while strumming his sitar.
We shout, "Shut up, Sam!"
and suddenly silence sounds.
The shadowy sliver of moon seems similar
to the Cheshire Cat's smile.
The stars and silver sphere sink into space
and at sunrise San's sleeping soundly.
We stand and start to skip over sand dunes
spinning and springing like sprites in Sherwood.
Suddenly we stop, sensing shin splints.
We seek shelter under a shroud-
"A simple summer sand storm, " you say.
"Seems so, " I say super sarcastically.
Smearing snot on our sleeves
we stretch and squish Silly Putty
as the sand storm subdues.
Skittering and sliding down a sand slope
we screech to a stop and see
where Sam is streched sleeping.
Sweaty and stinky, we surrender to sleep
for seven years or six centuries,
who's keeping score?

-Sharmuta

434 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:25:01am
435 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:25:08am

re: #420 Sharmuta

OK- I will post the poem. But it will take me a few to type it, so have patience.

poetry is always called for. In my opinion. But I'm a geek like that.

(Just so long as it's not pages of tennyson or something like that; i have a short-ish attention span. But I'll try!)

436 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:25:24am

re: #430 rustler
Bah wrong linked article hehe. Here is an actual picture.

437 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:25:55am

I only wrote that because my friend loved the first 6 lines and insisted I do more with it.

438 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:26:18am

re: #437 Sharmuta

I only wrote that because my friend loved the first 6 lines and insisted I do more with it.

And that's about 15 years old.

439 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:26:41am

re: #432 1SG(ret)

You do mean they aren't liberal enough for most liberals. When any group, right or left vote overwhelmingly one way, it's hard to argue they aren't that way.

Or do you mean they aren't liberal, but Socialist/Socialist leaning?

Hush, I'm reading Sharmuta's cool poem and looking at Rustler's pics. :) I'll be back to this tho.

440 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:26:51am

re: #421 rustler

No. Most of the waste, fraud and abuse is in the Medicaid system. That's because the program is used by labor unions like SEIU 1199 to pad payrolls with unnecessary employees. In New York, the problem is egregious: we have Medicaid expenses much higher than those of more populous states like California and Texas.

In addition, Medicaid was supposed to be a safety net for the poor. In New York, it's been extended to the middle class with disastrous results, financially speaking. It's now one third of the entire state budget.

441 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:27:10am

re: #425 Spare O'Lake

I'm using this spy posting thing for the first time and notice that the comments are not numbered.
Is this by design?

Yes- there are many answers to questions on the previous thread.

442 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:28:38am

re: #437 Sharmuta

I only wrote that because my friend loved the first 6 lines and insisted I do more with it.

Wait-- whoa. You wrote that? and you were only 16 when you did?

443 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:29:16am

re: #431 iceweasel

"they're flawed"? Link, please.

444 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:30:11am

re: #442 iceweasel

Yes- I wrote that.
No- I wasn't 16, but I wrote it 15 years ago.

445 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:31:34am
446 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:32:46am

Adam Gadahn has released a new taped message.

447 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:33:33am

re: #446 MandyManners

Link?

448 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:34:33am

Here are the statistics on N.Y.'s exploding Medicaid program:

[Link: www.empirecenter.org...]

[Link: www.manhattan-institute.org...]

449 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:35:20am

re: #445 Iron Fist

It's disturbing that he stayed on for almost two more years.

450 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:35:27am

re: #447 Rancher


Not to the Video or audio tape which ever it was but talks about it.

451 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:35:31am

We had a saying while I was in Iraq that went like this: "If you want find the intelligence officers for our enemy, all you have to do is find the person hold a microphone drawing stuff in the sand or just talking".

452 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:35:39am

re: #447 Rancher

Link?

I just saw it on Fox. Hold on.

453 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:37:19am

hold = holding

454 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:37:20am

re: #452 MandyManners

I just saw it on Fox. Hold on.

I found nothing.

455 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:39:41am

Liberal media bias? Here's the website that cover it:

[Link: www.newsbusters.org...]

456 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:39:43am

re: #444 Sharmuta

Yes- I wrote that.
No- I wasn't 16, but I wrote it 15 years ago.

You know, it's really good. Really clever.

I don't know if you write (fiction) or if you write poetry (regularly) but you really ought to. Or think about doing so. You clearly have a gift. In my opinion.

I read a lot of poetry. I know I couldn't write it and I wouldn't even try. So...take this for what it's worth: I think you have a gift and you should develop it.

You have the vocab and the metaphor and the imagistic language and thought nailed. The facility with language and the imagination. Just my opinion. I think you'd do great things.

457 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:41:45am

re: #451 1SG(ret)

We had a saying while I was in Iraq that went like this: "If you want find the intelligence officers for our enemy, all you have to do is find the person hold a microphone drawing stuff in the sand or just talking".

Only funny thing that Wanda Sykes said at the White House Correspondents Dinner was when she said Al Qaeda wouldn't have to waterboard Biden; all they'd have to do is ask him a question.

She said they'd be leaving with the nuclear launch codes and he'd STILL be talking to them and following them trying to give a longer answer.

458 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:42:19am
459 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:42:45am

re: #456 iceweasel

You are sweet. Thank you for the kind words, but my inner poet died long ago. Now I work on other styles of writing, and I am working on developing that into something more productive, possibly with a paycheck.

460 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:44:42am
461 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:44:45am

re: #457 iceweasel
Why even bother asking him tho eventually just to show how important he is he will just up and announce em like he did about the VP bunker. You know the one he claims Chaney hid in after 9/11 but construction on said bunker didnt start until November of 2001 if I remember correctly.

462 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:45:22am

Thank you iceweasel for ding #81,000.

463 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:45:52am

re: #459 Sharmuta

You are sweet. Thank you for the kind words, but my inner poet died long ago. Now I work on other styles of writing, and I am working on developing that into something more productive, possibly with a paycheck.

I wish I were sweet, but alas, not so.

Awesome news though and good luck. I have a couple of friends who do freelance writing (nonfiction) and it's a rough market. :(

464 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:45:52am

re: #458 Iron Fist

If I may ask, what region of TN you in?

465 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:47:37am

re: #460 Iron Fist

That it is. I don't trust CNN to report objectively on Santa Claus' regular Christmas Eve flight, let alone something substantive like the weather.

I remember their coverage of Katrina to trust them on the weather.

I remember when he claimed that the military targeted journalists. I hate that he said such nonsense but, it outraged enough people that he had to leave.

466 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:48:04am
In December 2002, neighbors complained of loud construction work being done at the Naval Observatory, which has been used as a residence by vice presidents since 1974.

The upset neighbors were sent a letter by the observatory's superintendent, calling the work "sensitive in nature" and "classified" and that it was urgent it be completed "on a highly accelerated schedule."

Construction was still ongoing in December 2002 apparently from this fox news article. So how was Cheney hiding there in the aftermath of 9/11 2001?

467 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:48:21am

re: Sharmuta

It's sibilant and scrumptious.

468 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:49:44am

I also found some of the old joke horoscopes I used to write. Here's one for Capricorn:

Hated radio host Rush Limbaugh is a Capricorn, although some people love him. But he is a lot like you- hard working and determined. So take it to heart- stay determined, work hard, and maybe some day hundreds of people will hate you.

I thought that was funny.

469 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:50:43am

re: Sharmuta

Sibilant and scrumptious, that.

470 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:52:35am

re: Sharmuta

Gloria in S Major

Slithering, slathering silly snake
supper of soup or squirrel?
We'll soup the squirrel
or squirrel the soup
with a steamy side dish
of sizzling summer stirfry.
Sunning in the sultry savannah after supper
we'll sit semi-circular
spearing strange spiders
with stolen syringes.
The stars sparkle and shimmer like sequins
on a silver dress of Sharon Stone's
while scientific satellites scan space.
Surrounded by sand and sky
the suburbs seem stupid.
Sticky Sam starts to sing slightly sharp
about skunks while strumming his sitar.
We shout, "Shut up, Sam!"
and suddenly silence sounds.
The shadowy sliver of moon seems similar
to the Cheshire Cat's smile.
The stars and silver sphere sink into space
and at sunrise San's sleeping soundly.
We stand and start to skip over sand dunes
spinning and springing like sprites in Sherwood.
Suddenly we stop, sensing shin splints.
We seek shelter under a shroud-
"A simple summer sand storm, " you say.
"Seems so, " I say super sarcastically.
Smearing snot on our sleeves
we stretch and squish Silly Putty
as the sand storm subdues.
Skittering and sliding down a sand slope
we screech to a stop and see
where Sam is streched sleeping.
Sweaty and stinky, we surrender to sleep
for seven years or six centuries,
who's keeping score?

-Sharmuta

Sibilant and scrumptious, that.

471 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:53:54am

re: #461 rustler

Why even bother asking him tho eventually just to show how important he is he will just up and announce em like he did about the VP bunker. You know the one he claims Chaney hid in after 9/11 but construction on said bunker didnt start until November of 2001 if I remember correctly.

I know the right wackosphere got hysterical recently when he mentioned something about there being a bunker in the VP residence.

Yeah. Security breach! because the last place any enemy would look for the VP would be...uh, in the basement of his residence? newsflash.

Oh, and lets not forget that the whole fucking world knew Cheney had a bunker there...ever since his neighbours complained about the underground construction in 2002, as mentioned above:

In December 2002, neighbors complained of loud construction work being done at the Naval Observatory, which has been used as a residence by vice presidents since 1974.

The upset neighbors were sent a letter by the observatory’s superintendent, calling the work “sensitive in nature” and “classified” and that it was urgent it be completed “on a highly accelerated schedule.”

BTW, the hideous treasonous america-hating liberal outlet who reported that back in 2002? That would be Fox News.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

472 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:54:33am

Yoiks, I repeated.
(The spy thingy is on the fritz)

473 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:54:38am

re: #467 Spare O'Lake

Thank you!

474 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:54:45am
-- On Jan. 31, 2007 -- the day Biden announced his presidential bid -- the Delaware Senator was roundly criticized for calling Obama "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Man I'm surprised this didn't earn Biden a seat under the bus I had forgotten about it.

475 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:55:45am
476 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:56:09am

re: #455 quickjustice

Liberal media bias? Here's the website that cover it:

[Link: www.newsbusters.org...]

yeah. newsbusters isn't neutral, though. :(

477 rustler  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:57:09am

re: #471 iceweasel
September 11th happened in 2001 the neihbor complaints were in '02 Cheney was not in said bunker in 2001.

478 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:58:16am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Ahmadinejad is continuing to act as though he won the election, and the people of Tehran are acting as though he stole the election.

Well, there's a few scenarios that can explain all this, none of them good.

1) Ahmadinejad stole the election with the mullahs blessing;
2) Ahmadinejad stole the election and is concentrating power in himself without regard to the mullahs (keeping Ali Khamenei on as a figurehead to lend legitimacy to his own ruthlessness);
3) Ahmadinejad actually won - and that Tehran isn't all of Iran.

I'm leaning towards the first, with a good dash of the second. Ahmadinejad is ruthless and crazy enough to pursue this kind of action, and the mullahs aren't about to let an election get in the way of their designs.

479 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 5:58:44am

Amir Taheri has something to say about the Hope Administration:

Barack Obama found it “exciting” and Hillary Clinton saw it as “a positive sign”. Others, like Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former US national security adviser, went further and praised it as a “vibrant democracy”. A variety of useful idiots at home and abroad expressed similar illusions about the Iranian presidential election on Friday.


Tools.

480 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:00:21am

One week my joke horoscope had a Star Wars theme for Valentine's Day:

Leo: Your agent called, You have an audition at a joint called "Jabba's Palace". But be careful. I hear it's do or die there.

Pisces: Is it me, or is it time for C3-PO to come out of the closet? Poor, poor R2-D2. As a homage, get your favorite little appliance a gift for ♥-day.

481 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:00:32am

re: #475 Iron Fist

Wow, that is fascinating. i will think about it.
right now I'm struck by the Clavell connection, as i once loved those books. (It's been years but I'd still claim that King Rat is a brilliant book and very revealing of human nature.)

there's also a book about Japan or Japanese culture called iron and silk, isn't there? Maybe by a westerner learning martial arts? (haven't read it, it just sounds familiar...)

(will check out the song on your profile now!)

482 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:01:09am

New Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream Flavor

In honor of the 44th President of the United States , Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream has introduced a new flavor: " Barocky Road ."

Barocky Road is a blend of half vanilla, half chocolate, and surrounded by nuts and flakes. The vanilla portion of the mix is not openly advertised and usually denied as an ingredient. The nuts and flakes are all very bitter and hard to swallow.

The cost is $100.00 per scoop.

When purchased it will be presented to you in a large beautiful cone, but then the ice cream is taken away and given to the person in line behind you.

You are left with an empty wallet and no change, holding an empty cone with no hope of getting any ice cream.

Are you stimulated?

483 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:01:26am

re: #480 Sharmuta

One week my joke horoscope had a Star Wars theme for Valentine's Day:

Leo: Your agent called, You have an audition at a joint called "Jabba's Palace". But be careful. I hear it's do or die there.

Pisces: Is it me, or is it time for C3-PO to come out of the closet? Poor, poor R2-D2. As a homage, get your favorite little appliance a gift for ♥-day.

I am LOVING these horoscopes, they remind me of the horoscopes in the Onion which always crack me up!

484 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:02:43am
485 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:04:04am

re: #483 iceweasel

I'm glad you're liking them. They were fun to write. Here's another:

Virgo: Being too critical can be harmful to one's karma. After all, nobody likes a critic. Did anyone mourn the loss of Gene Siskle?

486 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:05:50am
487 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:06:37am
488 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:07:09am

re: #477 rustler

September 11th happened in 2001 the neihbor complaints were in '02 Cheney was not in said bunker in 2001.

Yes, I know. Sigh.

No one said he was; some news agency mistakenly took Biden's recent comments about the bunker to mean that THIS was where DC was on 9-11. Why? Because people haven't been sure about where Cheney was located on 9-11.

I think there's loads of good criticisms to make of Biden; I don't think this is one of them--or the best one to be making. Just my opinion.

489 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:07:56am

Aries: Now is the time, here is the place. The planets have never been more ready. But you must act now! Supplies are limited, shipping and handling extra, no CODs.

490 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:08:04am

re: #479 Rancher

Many had hoped the exercise would dislodge President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the maverick who has vowed to chase the United States out of the Middle East, wipe Israel off the map and prepare the ground for the hidden imam, Shi’ite Islam’s “end of times” figure of retribution.


Whatta guy.

491 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:08:54am

re: #486 Iron Fist

It is a movie Iron and Silk. It is interesting. It gets very deep into the cultural differences between Americans and the Chinese. M. Bennson-Levi (sp? :-) recommended it to me some years ago. I enjoyed it. It was a lot different than something by Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris.

that's IT! it was a book first! Mark salzman! [Link: www.amazon.com...]

(havent read it or seen the movie, always heard it was brilliant)

492 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:09:02am

re: #486 Iron Fist

It is a movie Iron and Silk. It is interesting. It gets very deep into the cultural differences between Americans and the Chinese. M. Bennson-Levi (sp? :-) recommended it to me some years ago. I enjoyed it. It was a lot different than something by Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris.

I loved Bruce Lee movies, especially the way the bad guys used to run up the bare walls.

493 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:09:31am

re: #489 Sharmuta

ok that one got favorited too because it's too good.

494 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:10:03am

I just found a gnat in my coffee-maker's reservoire.

495 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:10:37am

Also from Taheri:

Officially put at 85%, voter turnout was the highest in Iran’s history. Ahmadinejad won with 63%, collecting more votes than any of his predecessors. The results were arranged to give him a two-thirds majority among all categories of voters – men, women, young and old, poor and middle class, and in all of Iran’s 30 provinces. Whoever wrote the script also made sure that his three rivals, all veterans of the Khomeinist revolution, were roundly defeated even in their respective home towns.


The only way they could have made these results more unbelievable would have been to give him 99% of the vote like Saddam, that other popular M.E. dictator, used to get.

496 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:11:10am

re: #485 Sharmuta

I'm glad you're liking them. They were fun to write. Here's another:

Virgo: Being too critical can be harmful to one's karma. After all, nobody likes a critic. Did anyone mourn the loss of Gene Siskle?

Roget Ebert?

497 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:11:33am

re: #494 MandyManners

I just found a gnat in my coffee-maker's reservoire.

Is he doing the crawl?

498 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:11:43am

re: #494 MandyManners

I just found a gnat in my coffee-maker's reservoire.

What you found was the secret to making a great cup of coffee.

But I find that Beetles give it an even nuttier taste.

499 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:12:21am

re: #497 Spare O'Lake

Is he doing the crawl?

Back-stroke.

500 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:13:11am

re: #498 karmic_inquisitor

What you found was the secret to making a great cup of coffee.

But I find that Beetles give it an even nuttier taste.

Would mosquitoes give it a metallic taste? (Think about it.)

501 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:13:44am

re: MandyManners

Would mosquitoes give it a metallic taste? (Think about it.)

Great for iron deficiencies.

502 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:14:33am

re: #499 MandyManners

Back-stroke.

The little bugger is flaunting you.
Git the 12 gauge.

503 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:15:55am

re: #494 MandyManners

I just found a gnat in my coffee-maker's reservoire.

Dat ain't nuttin.
I found a lizard in my coffeemaker several months ago.

504 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:16:26am

re: #500 MandyManners

Would mosquitoes give it a metallic taste? (Think about it.)

Ewww

505 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:16:39am

re: #485 Sharmuta

I'm glad you're liking them. They were fun to write. Here's another:

Virgo: Being too critical can be harmful to one's karma. After all, nobody likes a critic. Did anyone mourn the loss of Gene Siskle?

These are so great. I know it's always a Beatles comment with me ;) but the sense of humor reminds me of the Daily Howl, a little newspaper which John Lennon used to write and give to his friends when he was about 15. I love absurd humor!

My favorite line from the Daily Howl: Weather Report: Tomorrow will be Muggy, followed by Tuggy, Wuggy and Thuggy.

506 avanti  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:18:07am

re: #488 iceweasel

Yes, I know. Sigh.

No one said he was; some news agency mistakenly took Biden's recent comments about the bunker to mean that THIS was where DC was on 9-11. Why? Because people haven't been sure about where Cheney was located on 9-11.

I think there's loads of good criticisms to make of Biden; I don't think this is one of them--or the best one to be making. Just my opinion.

Cheney talks about the White House basement bunker he actually went to

here.

507 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:18:09am

So how about those Iranian riots?

While I hope that they end up deposing their government, I can see Obama taking victory laps if it happens and somehow saying that his policies brought it about.

I am not petty - I have the same hopes for the Iranians that I had 4 years ago. But I also know that it was the democratization of the Middle East strategy that we had back then is the one that will ultimately deliver results there. Create the expectations among the oppressed and they will rise up.

508 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:18:27am

re: #503 J.D.

Dat ain't nuttin.
I found a lizard in my coffeemaker several months ago.

What was its nic?

509 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:18:48am

re: #501 karmic_inquisitor

Great for iron deficiencies.

Not much crunch, though.

510 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:19:06am

re: #503 J.D.

Dat ain't nuttin.
I found a lizard in my coffeemaker several months ago.

You promised you wouldn't tell anyone about that!

511 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:19:18am

Cash From Lunkheads
Congress wants to pay you to destroy your car.

When we first heard the phrase "cash for clunkers," we thought the reference was to a Congressional pay raise. Alas, no, it is the bright idea out of Congress to pay Americans to turn in their old cars so they'll go out and buy a new one. As columnist George Will recently observed, this isn't as insane as the New Deal policy of slaughtering pigs to raise pork prices, but it's close enough for government work.

Under cash for clunkers, drivers would be offered vouchers of up to $4,500 to swap their current wheels for a more environmentally correct set with better mileage. The cars they turn in for destruction would have to get less than 18 miles per gallon, be drivable, and insured to the owner for at least a year.

That last provision is presumably intended to deter political arbitrageurs from raiding used-car lots for trade-in wrecks. But as economic policy, this is still dotty. It encourages Americans to needlessly destroy still useful cars and then misallocates scarce resources from other, perhaps more productive, uses in order to subsidize replacements. By the same logic, we could revive the housing market by paying everyone to burn down their houses to collect the insurance money and build new ones. ...


Unbelievable.

512 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:19:19am

re: #502 Spare O'Lake

The little bugger is flaunting you.
Git the 12 gauge.

He got ground up in the disposal.

513 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:19:39am

re: #504 J.D.

Ewww

Nummy-num-num.

514 lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:20:21am

Morning all.

Chris Dodd was just on my TV whining about something. I guess today must be another day that ends with "y".

515 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:20:35am

re: #508 MandyManners

What was its nic?

I forgot to ask before I banned him.

516 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:20:45am

re: #507 karmic_inquisitor

So how about those Iranian riots?

While I hope that they end up deposing their government, I can see Obama taking victory laps if it happens and somehow saying that his policies brought it about.

I am not petty - I have the same hopes for the Iranians that I had 4 years ago. But I also know that it was the democratization of the Middle East strategy that we had back then is the one that will ultimately deliver results there. Create the expectations among the oppressed and they will rise up.

All I've seen this morning is footage of thousands and thousands of ShortShit's supporters outside some building where he made a speech or something.

517 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:21:01am

re: #505 Bloodnok

These are so great. I know it's always a Beatles comment with me ;) but the sense of humor reminds me of the Daily Howl, a little newspaper which John Lennon used to write and give to his friends when he was about 15. I love absurd humor!

My favorite line from the Daily Howl: Weather Report: Tomorrow will be Muggy, followed by Tuggy, Wuggy and Thuggy.



The Daily Howl
(this is cool)

518 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:21:15am

re: #512 MandyManners

He got ground up in the disposal.

PETA will be contacting you soon.

519 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:21:56am

re: #517 Bloodnok

My favorite line from the Daily Howl: Weather Report: Tomorrow will be Muggy, followed by Tuggy, Wuggy and Thuggy.


Sounds like Hugo Chavez's horoscope. And he likes to make sure they come to pass.

520 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:21:56am

re: #510 Sharmuta

You promised you wouldn't tell anyone about that!

I've only told 3 people.

No...wait...

521 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:23:11am

re: #516 MandyManners

All I've seen this morning is footage of thousands and thousands of ShortShit's supporters outside some building where he made a speech or something.

I would lay money that a shit-load of Iranians disappeared last night.

522 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:23:12am
523 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:23:59am

re: #505 Bloodnok

You know I don't mind the Beatles stuff.

My BFF was inspired by John's poetry and wrote a poem based off the Alphabet poem he'd written, except in her version "P" was "for the loo". Heehee

524 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:24:04am

re: #515 J.D.

I forgot to ask before I banned him.

Wielding a stick in the kitchen? Could be dangerous.

525 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:24:14am

re: #521 Spare O'Lake

I would lay money that a shit-load of Iranians disappeared last night.

I hope not. But you may well be right.

526 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:26:16am

re: #518 Rancher

PETA will be contacting you soon.

I'll be sure to set both thermostats to 55 degrees to keep me comfy in my mink which I will wear when I open the door to them.

527 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:27:10am

re: #523 Sharmuta

You know I don't mind the Beatles stuff.

My BFF was inspired by John's poetry and wrote a poem based off the Alphabet poem he'd written, except in her version "P" was "for the loo". Heehee

You mean the one with "L is for Land because brown"? I looove that. I still think of it often.

I was obsessed with "In His Own Write" at that age too.

528 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:27:27am

re: #521 Spare O'Lake

I would lay money that a shit-load of Iranians disappeared last night.

There's a crack in there about Eason Jordan but I'll not make it.

529 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:27:49am

re: #510 Sharmuta

You promised you wouldn't tell anyone about that!

i just found a story about someone finding a snake's head in his dish of broccoli at a TGI Friday's.

(also,TGIF's is in big trouble financially anyway; some impending report claims that 4 restaurant chains arent going to make it til next year; TGIF is one of them)

530 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:28:15am

re: MandyManners

All I've seen this morning is footage of thousands and thousands of ShortShit's supporters outside some building where he made a speech or something.

Looks like an Obama rally. Ignorant masses following some bizarre sense of charisma into the void of state oppression in exchange for a sense of moral purification. Smug smiles and tingly legs all around.

531 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:28:19am

re: #519 lawhawk

Sounds like Hugo Chavez's horoscope. And he likes to make sure they come to pass.

I have a horoscope I wrote with a presidential theme. Maybe I could write one with a Despot theme... I did write one note on that already- kinda:

Leo: Both Castro and Napoleon were/are Leos. That explains the ruling thing. This week find your own little world to conquer. This one's taken.

532 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:28:58am

re: #526 MandyManners

I'll be sure to set both thermostats to 55 degrees to keep me comfy in my mink which I will wear when I open the door to them.

It's not good to answer the door in your nightie.

533 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:29:10am

re: #530 karmic_inquisitor

Looks like an Obama rally. Ignorant masses following some bizarre sense of charisma into the void of state oppression in exchange for a sense of moral purification. Smug smiles and tingly legs all around.

I don't get the charisma of ShortShit.

534 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:29:37am

re: Sharmuta

I have a horoscope I wrote with a presidential theme. Maybe I could write one with a Despot theme... I did write one note on that already- kinda:

Leo: Both Castro and Napoleon were/are Leos. That explains the ruling thing. This week find your own little world to conquer. This one's taken.

Weren't Hitler and Stalin Taurus?

I am a Taurus, so word your response carefully!

/

535 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:30:07am

re: #532 Spare O'Lake

It's not good to answer the door in your nightie.

It depends on who's on the other side of the door.

536 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:30:08am

re: #524 MandyManners

Wielding a stick in the kitchen? Could be dangerous.

I always keep a cluebat in the pantry. Don't you?

537 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:30:11am

re: #531 Sharmuta

I think Obama is a Leo. Seriously.

the onion had some hilarious fake op-ed during the campaign, "I'm afraid I've forgotten Obama's birthday" or something like that.

538 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:30:47am

re: MandyManners

I don't get the charisma of ShortShit.

I never got the charisma of Jimmy Swaggert. Theocrats have an appeal that I don't understand.

539 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:30:57am

re: #534 karmic_inquisitor

Weren't Hitler and Stalin Taurus?

I am a Taurus, so word your response carefully!

/

I'm a Taurus, and I rule, too.

540 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:31:03am

re: #529 iceweasel

They have gone from bad to worse in recent years.
What are the other 3?

541 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:31:28am

re: #534 karmic_inquisitor

Weren't Hitler and Stalin Taurus?

I am a Taurus, so word your response carefully!

/

Hitler, yes. Stalin, no. But rest assured- Hitler had the ugliest moon sign one can have.

542 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:31:33am

re: #531 Sharmuta

ShortShit was born on 10/26. What's he?

543 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:31:33am

re: #522 MandyManners

Watermelon.

Huh?

544 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:31:52am

re: #532 Spare O'Lake

It's not good to answer the door in your nightie.

Says who?

Kind of varies, no? :)

545 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:31:53am

re: #521 Spare O'Lake

CNN has been reporting that opposition figures have been arrested. The fate of Mousavi is not known -- where is he? Is he under house arrest? (he was a "no-show" at some rally)...Is he under detention? No one seems to know...

546 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:31:58am

re: #536 J.D.

I always keep a cluebat in the pantry. Don't you?

Wooden spoons.

547 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:32:14am

re: #542 MandyManners

ShortShit was born on 10/26. What's he?

Scorpio?

548 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:32:20am

re: #542 MandyManners

ShortShit was born on 10/26. What's he?

Stark raving mad.

549 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:32:30am

re: #538 karmic_inquisitor

I never got the charisma of Jimmy Swaggert. Theocrats have an appeal that I don't understand.

Swaggert was charismatic?

550 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:32:39am

re: #537 iceweasel

I think Obama is a Leo. Seriously.

the onion had some hilarious fake op-ed during the campaign, "I'm afraid I've forgotten Obama's birthday" or something like that.

Ding ding ding ding ding!

August 4.

551 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:33:00am

re: #543 J.D.

Huh?

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

552 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:33:02am

re: J.S.

CNN has been reporting that opposition figures have been arrested. The fate of Mousavi is not known -- where is he? Is he under house arrest? (he was a "no-show" at some rally)...Is he under detention? No one seems to know...

Obama to swipe away such facts and speak of "the importance of keeping a dialog" in 3 ... 2 ...

553 brucee  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:33:17am

Corriere Della Sera Reporter in Tehran - Police vs. People

I love this clip. "Death to Dictator"

554 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:33:31am

re: #547 iceweasel

Scorpio?

A deadly desert critter.

555 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:33:33am
556 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:34:22am

re: #548 lawhawk

Stark raving mad.

Barking at the moon.

557 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:34:25am

re: #551 MandyManners

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Nasty!

558 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:34:36am

re: #547 iceweasel

Scorpio?

You got it, but Lawhawk was funnier.

559 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:34:47am

re: #542 MandyManners

ShortShit was born on 10/26. What's he?

He has his own star sign "Runtius: the Short Limbed". There are no stars in the constellation Runtius, just a gas cloud and a black hole.

560 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:34:53am

re: MandyManners

Swaggert was charismatic?

I knew people who just loved the guy along with Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye.

Never understood the appeal.

561 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:35:53am

Kim Jong-il was born 2/16.

562 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:35:58am

Good morning y'all - from a warm and humid (74 degrees going up to 88 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte! Hope all is well with everyone today.

BTW, today is Flag Day and if you've a mind to, putting out the Flag wouldn't be a bad idea at all!

And today is the birthday of the United States Army (June 14, 1775) Happy Birthday Army!

563 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:36:03am

re: #550 J.D.

Ding ding ding ding ding!

August 4.

I feel oddly, and mildly, relieved that I didn't know when his bday was.

Area Man Just Realized He Doesn't Even Know When Barack Obama's Birthday Is

ATHENS, GA—Local barista Benjamin Shields, 31, expressed both shock and remorse Monday when, during a routine perusal of his 2009 calendar, it suddenly occurred to him that he had never bothered to find out the date of President Barack Obama's birth. "Mostly, I'm just really embarrassed," Shields said. "The first black president in U.S. history, a person I myself voted for, and I don't even know what month he was born? God, I'd be mortified if he ever found out." Shields said he would console himself by making sure to purchase a card well in advance of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack's Dec. 12 birthday.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]

564 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:36:06am

re: #521 Spare O'Lake

I would lay money that a shit-load of Iranians disappeared last night.


I'm afraid your right. I can't see any other reason for Khamenei letting Mousavi run the campaign he did and not let him win other than to bring out the dissidents into the streets so that they can be identified and crushed.
re: #404 Rancher

•Mousavi and Karrubi, the two “reformist” candidates in Friday’s “elections” are under house arrest, along with dozens of their followers;

•“Reformist” journalists and activists have been rounded up and jailed;

565 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:36:13am

re: #559 Bloodnok

He has his own star sign "Runtius: the Short Limbed". There are no stars in the constellation Runtius, just a gas cloud and a black hole.

LOL!

566 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:36:18am

re: lawhawk

Cheery news for the day. North Korea is threatening nuclear war if it doesn't get its way.

But it is wrong to call them "evil" or to declare an "axis of evil".

Same goes for DinnerJacket.

567 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:36:39am

re: #560 karmic_inquisitor

I knew people who just loved the guy along with Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye.

Never understood the appeal.

They liked being dupes?

568 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:36:47am

re: #552 karmic_inquisitor

Ahmadinejad is challenging Obama to "a debate" at the United Nations (lol)...Ahmadinejad was also yakking about "dialogue." (Wonder if Ahmadinejad will be using the expression: "Unclench your fist, America!") (This morning Ahmadinejad gave a rambling "press conference" in which he assured everyone that Iran is a nation of "laws" and is the "most secure" -- translation: repressive -- nation in the Middle East.)

569 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:37:22am

FCBBHO was born on 8/4. Leo?

570 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:37:41am

re: #560 karmic_inquisitor

Well, for an unbelievably low price of $19.95, I can fill you in on those details. /

Seriously, I think it's the whole carnival barker/pitchmen thing.

Pitchmen can sell anything. Those folks sold religious fulfillment. It's powerful stuff. Ahmadinejad fits that bill, and he's the most dangerous sort - because he's looking to fulfill his own religious and ideological goals - with an apocalyptic intent.

571 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:38:28am

re: #560 karmic_inquisitor

I knew people who just loved the guy along with Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye.

Never understood the appeal.

Tammy Faye had a huge set of eyelashes on her.

572 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:39:01am

re: #563 iceweasel

Fortunately, I had to google.
Unfortunately, I'll think of him every time my sister in law has a birthday.

573 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:39:11am

re: #569 MandyManners

FCBBHO was born on 8/4. Leo?

I go too fast for my own good sometimes.

574 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:39:31am

re: #569 MandyManners

FCBBHO was born on 8/4. Leo?

Yep.

575 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:39:47am

re: #567 MandyManners

They liked being dupes?

probably!

There is a (recentish) documentary about Tammy Faye Bakker called "the eyes of tammy faye" or something like that-- it's filmed after she left and divorced Jim Bakker, after having stood by him.

I'd like to see it. I love good documantaries. Especially about people I can't otherwise understand.

576 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:40:06am

re: #561 MandyManners

Kim Jong-il was born 2/16.

Aquarius.

577 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:40:28am

re: #568 J.S.

He's busy claiming that the unrest is due to Western actions to bring Iranian society into a frothing mass. He blames the violence on the West, and it'll carry weight outside Tehran, where his power base was.

And I really wish everyone would stop calling Mousavi a reformer. It does not mean what they think it means.

Khatami was a reformer.
Rafsanjani was a reformer.
Ahmadinejad was a reformer.

Heck, Ayatollah Khomeni was a reformer - just looking to re-form Iranian society as a religious theocracy in the Islamofascist image.

578 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:40:31am

re: #571 Spare O'Lake

Tammy Faye had a huge set of eyelashes on her.

The best money could buy.

Remember how she said she got up early every morning to put her make up on before Jim could see her? Didn't she say it was the duty of every wife to do the same?

579 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:41:03am

re: #458 Iron Fist

IIRC, TennCare almost bankrupted the state. (B/T/W, I lived in Nashville during the late 1970s and early '80s.)

580 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:41:17am

re: #575 iceweasel

probably!

There is a (recentish) documentary about Tammy Faye Bakker called "the eyes of tammy faye" or something like that-- it's filmed after she left and divorced Jim Bakker, after having stood by him.

I'd like to see it. I love good documantaries. Especially about people I can't otherwise understand.

I'd forgotten she booted him to the curb. My respect for her just shot up.

581 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:41:37am

re: MandyManners

FCBBHO was born on 8/4. Leo?

Well then. I will now put my future-telling abilities to work...

I see a cloudy mist. Ahhh. But something is coming to the fore ... yes ... children in the streets playing ... people laughing ... all is well as everyone smiles ... portraits of the same man hang everywhere ... a secret police ... behind all of the smiles is a great tension ... the tension of having you neighbour inform on you if you turn up your thermostat or let your tires lose pressure ...

Oh ... and 8/4 is a Federal Holiday.

582 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:41:48am

Thugo Chavez is also a Leo.

583 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:42:09am

re: #562 {realwest}
Mornin' real. I'll bet we have more humidity than you do!
Thanks for the reminder of Flag Day.
And Happy Birthday Army! Gemini!

584 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:42:42am

re: #578 MandyManners

The best money could buy.

Remember how she said she got up early every morning to put her make up on before Jim could see her? Didn't she say it was the duty of every wife to do the same?

That didn't work out so well...

585 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:42:52am

How many dictators were/are Leo?

586 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:43:21am

re: #583 J.D.
{J.D.} good morning and I'd be glad to let you win that bet!
How are you doing today?

587 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:43:36am

re: #581 karmic_inquisitor

Well then. I will now put my future-telling abilities to work...

I see a cloudy mist. Ahhh. But something is coming to the fore ... yes ... children in the streets playing ... people laughing ... all is well as everyone smiles ... portraits of the same man hang everywhere ... a secret police ... behind all of the smiles is a great tension ... the tension of having you neighbour inform on you if you turn up your thermostat or let your tires lose pressure ...

Oh ... and 8/4 is a Federal Holiday.

*curling up into fetal position*

588 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:43:39am

re: #577 lawhawk

Thinking or claiming that Mousavi is some kind of Jeffersonian democrat is ludicrous. Mousavi opposes Ahamdinejad -- but that doesn't mean, for example, that Mousavi would ever question Iran's getting nukes.

589 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:43:54am

re: #585 MandyManners

How many dictators were/are Leo?

Well, I'm on the cusp of Leo and Virgo...for one.

590 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:44:03am

Knew this was coming

lawhawk, any chance this ruling will be overturned

591 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:44:04am

re: lawhawk

An apocalyptic theocrat with the bomb.

Lovely.

592 Pupdawg  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:44:31am

...and most of them twice.

593 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:44:36am

Mussolini was also a Leo

594 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:44:50am

re: #586 realwest

Pretty well! The kids and granddaughter are here and still asleep, as I would like to have been...*sigh*
How goes it?

595 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:45:08am

re: #561 MandyManners

Kim Jong-il was born 2/16.

Good grief. My wife was born 2/16. That explains a lot -

596 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:45:39am

re: #560 karmic_inquisitor

I knew people who just loved the guy along with Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye.

Never understood the appeal.

it's all about the hair...lots of big poofy hair

597 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:45:43am

re: #584 J.D.

That didn't work out so well...

Freakin' cad.

598 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:46:21am

re: #589 J.D.

Well, I'm on the cusp of Leo and Virgo...for one.

Do you have a strange attraction to riding crops?

599 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:47:06am

re: #598 MandyManners

Do you have a strange attraction to riding crops?

Crap! My secret's out!

600 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:47:20am

re: #577 lawhawk

Upon reflection, I think what's happening in Iran is an internal party struggle similar to what happened when Lenin purged the Bolsheviks. This is the theocrats fighting among themselves. No genuinely democratic parties are represented in this particular struggle.

That's what make the left's fascination with the current situation in Iran so amusing-- they really think it's Ahmadinejad versus the good guys. It's Ahmadinejad against a more cheerful theocrat.

In that respect, Ahmadinejad's "victory", rigged or not, is good news for us. It keeps the crazy face of the mullahs in the public eye where it belongs.

601 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:47:24am

Look for Ahmadinejad to open up relations with the Obama administration since Obama said in Egypt that it's OK for Iran to pursue nuclear technology

."No single nation should pick and choose which nations should hold nuclear weapons"
602 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:47:28am

re: #570 lawhawk

Well, for an unbelievably low price of $19.95, I can fill you in on those details. /

Seriously, I think it's the whole carnival barker/pitchmen thing.

Pitchmen can sell anything. Those folks sold religious fulfillment. It's powerful stuff. Ahmadinejad fits that bill, and he's the most dangerous sort - because he's looking to fulfill his own religious and ideological goals - with an apocalyptic intent.

Sure. America has a long tradition of loving the carnival barker, and also loving certain kinds of religious fulfillment-- and of course we worship the salesman, the pitch. I don't mean this as a bad thing.

But it is a peculiarly american kind of attraction-- we have this faith and love for the idea of eternal renewal. reinvention. In large part because as a nation we're all about reinvention and the idea of equal opportunity, the idea that anyone can achieve anything-- we're all engaged in reinvention, and that's why the quintessential classics of american lit are about reinvention, and its limits and its enduring appeal, romance, and mythology-- think of the great gatsby.

Those same qualities of faith and hope and belief in renewal-- make us peculiarly prone to the huckster, the carnival barker, the pitch.

It;s kind of our blessing and our downfall, in my opinion.

603 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:48:04am

re: #594 J.D.
It goes. Gotta go out and do some chores today that Mom thought about this morning! I WAS looking forward to a quiet Sunday but alas, such is not to be for me!
How old is your granddaughter?

604 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:48:55am

re: #577 lawhawk

Another thing I wonder about -- about those "opposition" figures -- who are they? I've heard that some of the opposition figures who were arrested were clerics. (Much of the confusion in the West, I suspect, comes from not clearly understanding how religiously grounded Iranians are -- and the tendency to project secular ideas onto Iran. Again, I wonder if the "opposition" to Ahmadinejad has more to do with Ahmadinejad being a Twelver than it does with secular politics..)

605 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:49:10am

re: #590 1SG(ret)

Knew this was coming

lawhawk, any chance this ruling will be overturned

Judge White's Wiki.

606 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:49:13am

Lenin was a Taurus, Stalin a Capricorn.

607 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:49:23am

re: #603 realwest

She's 3, and sharp as a tack!
Takes after her Gigi...

608 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:49:31am

re: #590 1SG(ret)
Good morning Top! Good to see you out here as always! How are you doing today?

609 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:49:52am

re: #590 1SG(ret)

Always a chance. I suspect that case might go all the way to the US Supreme Court. And the fact is that none of these detainees were tortured.

610 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:50:01am

re: #595 legalpad

Good grief. My wife was born 2/16. That explains a lot -

Oh, dear me. I shouldn't laugh but, I am.

611 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:50:18am

re: #590 1SG(ret)

Knew this was coming

lawhawk, any chance this ruling will be overturned

Brilliant.

612 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:50:28am

re: #599 J.D.

Crap! My secret's out!

We won't tell a soul.

613 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:50:35am

re: #610 MandyManners

Oh, dear me. I shouldn't laugh but, I am.

You're not alone. LOL

614 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:50:54am

re: #607 J.D. LOL! Well ok, then, more directly, how early did she get y'all up?!

615 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:51:17am

re: #577 lawhawk

And I really wish everyone would stop calling Mousavi a reformer.


I try and always put it in quotes. I'm glad he lost, he would have put a false face on the regime, Ahmadinejad is nothing if not genuine. (I almost said honest.)

616 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:51:57am

re: #604 J.S.

Since 1979, Iran has been a theocracy, the first in the history of Islam. That means the clergy are in charge.

Clerical supporters are"religious", of course, but this is far more about temporal power than religious belief.

Iranian youth, who now constitute half the population of the country, are anti-clerical and pro-American. Unfortunately, no indigenous revolutionary movement has succeeded in recent history without outside help.

617 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:52:22am

re: #615 Rancher

I try and always put it in quotes. I'm glad he lost, he would have put a false face on the regime, Ahmadinejad is nothing if not genuine. (I almost said honest.)

Well, Mousavi's wife is a hoot.

618 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:52:27am

re: #614 realwest

I beat her by an hour and a half!
'course we did keep her out a little too late...
There are horses galloping across my desk!

619 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:52:44am

re: #610 MandyManners

Oh, dear me. I shouldn't laugh but, I am.

No you shouldn't. I'm not.

620 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:53:27am
621 Ateam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:53:39am

re: #503 J.D.

Dat ain't nuttin.
I found a lizard in my coffeemaker several months ago.

I have a regular Lizard visits at my window. Every evening 8 PM sharp. With the TV news. Named her SARA (from Alaska - in hope she will bring changes to weather - 95 F).
Very small, 7" from head to tale, and delicate, last week I bought for her a Flies Trap. Need to nourish her with Protein & Minerals.

622 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:54:18am

re: #616 quickjustice

I am extremely skeptical about all that "they're Young! They're pro-American!" Nah... tell me another one.

623 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:54:24am

Morning everyone! waiting patiently for coffee...it's almost done

624 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:54:39am

re: #621 Ateam

That's cool!
It's baby lizard time here. You talk about cute...

625 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:55:18am
626 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:56:22am

re: #625 momcat

Thank you! Wish I had more to offer in return than an upding = )

627 J.D.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:56:54am

Well, it looks as though Gigi is on duty now!
Y'all have fun and play nice!

628 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:56:58am

re: #604 J.S.

*ding*! Yes, alot of the consternation about Ahmadinejad is that he's a believer in the apocalyptic visions of the 12th Mahdi. It's a minority view within the minority community that is Shi'ism. That Iran wants nukes doesn't bother most Iranians. That he's confronting the US doesn't bother them either. For most Iranians, that's all they've ever known (US/Israel are the Satans). Genocidal rhetoric isn't beyond the pale either, and Iran routinely calls for the destruction of Israel and the US. That they are now on the cusp of having the means to do so makes this regime all the more dangerous.

It's also dangerous to ascribe to this election any meaningful change in direction on foreign policy since the President of Iran answers to the Supreme Ayatollah under the Iranian constitution, not the other way around. The mullahs run the show - or at least did until yesterday's election.

My best guess is that the mullahs wanted Ahmadinejad to win, and that's what they got.

629 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:57:02am

re: #600 quickjustice

Upon reflection, I think what's happening in Iran is an internal party struggle similar to what happened when Lenin purged the Bolsheviks. This is the theocrats fighting among themselves.

The E.U. block (Rafsanjani et all) vs. the Russian block (Khamenei and Ahmadinejad).

630 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:57:07am

re: #622 J.S.

Hmmm. I ddi my senior thesis on Iran and the politics of the Persian Gulf. I did study the youth phenomenon in Iran. The mullahs keep the kids under control by letting them wear American style clothes, play western music-- cultural things. They crack down occasionally when the politics demand that the kids be taught a lesson.

And your basis for calling me a liar is what ?

631 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:58:06am

re: #622 J.S.

I am extremely skeptical about all that "they're Young! They're pro-American!" Nah... tell me another one.

They don't have to be pro-American for me to want to support them. It's the pro-Freedom part that puts me behind their cause.

632 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:58:06am

re: #605 MandyManners

What was George thinking?

633 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:58:34am

re: #609 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk - I agree with your assessment, but was left scratching my head at this part of the Judge's decision:

"This lawsuit poses the question addressed by our founding fathers about how to strike the proper balance of fighting a war against terror, at home and abroad, and fighting a war using tactics of terror."


Cause, ya know, during the Revolutionary War, under the "rules of war" then extant, WE were the terrorists - rebelling from Great Britain and we used terrorist tactics of hiding while firing at the enemy (British Troops, their Loyalist Allies and some of the Indian Tribes who were bought by the British). Not to mention imprisoning Loyalists (sometimes entire families) and confiscating their property.
Do you have any idea of what he was talking about?

634 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 6:59:49am

re: #630 quickjustice

I ddi my senior thesis on Iran and the politics of the Persian Gulf

What in the world made you pick that?

635 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:00:10am

re: #619 legalpad

No you shouldn't. I'm not.

She's reading over your shoulder, isn't she?

636 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:01:07am

re: #635 MandyManners

She's reading over your shoulder, isn't she?

Ok - now I'm laughing!

637 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:01:20am

re: #632 1SG(ret)

What was George thinking?

Was he replacing another Lefty?

638 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:01:21am

re: #600 quickjustice

I don't think it's good news or bad news.

It's just news. The facts speak for themselves. Iran's led by a mullahocracy and their public face is a Holocaust denying hate-spewing gasbag whose intentions are to finish the job that Hitler started by obtaining nukes and the means to use them on Israel and the US and our interests in the Middle East and around the world.

The alternative would have been different - not better, because if it was going to be better, we would have heard something as to Mousavi's foreign policies, but the focus was on improving the economy through internal measures, not by dropping its war on Israel, the US and the West.

639 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:01:25am

re: #630 quickjustice

What? I'm not "calling you a liar" -- for heaven's sake, let's not become hysterical here -- we have a difference of opinion. Are you familiar with Shirin Ebadi? She won the Nobel Peace prize. Then she wrote a book explaining how much she detests the West, Western meddling in Iranian affairs, etc., etc. There's a wiki article.

640 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:01:53am

ACK. It's 10 AM and I need to make something out of the day. Gonna go for a run. Later!

641 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:02:06am

Fox is reporting that more riots are breaking out.

642 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:03:10am

re: #616 quickjustice

... Unfortunately, no indigenous revolutionary movement has succeeded in recent history without outside help.


I think the Iranians held out hope in Bushitlercheny coming to their rescue. With Obama they realize they are now on their own.

643 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:03:15am

re: #638 lawhawk

I don't think it's good news or bad news.

It's just news. The facts speak for themselves. Iran's led by a mullahocracy and their public face is a Holocaust denying hate-spewing gasbag whose intentions are to finish the job that Hitler started by obtaining nukes and the means to use them on Israel and the US and our interests in the Middle East and around the world.

The alternative would have been different - not better, because if it was going to be better, we would have heard something as to Mousavi's foreign policies, but the focus was on improving the economy through internal measures, not by dropping its war on Israel, the US and the West.

That's the most concise description of ShortShit that I've ever read.

644 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:03:21am

re: #611 J.D.

Brilliant.

Oh hey-- in re: the Padilla lawsuit-- My understanding is that not only has Yoo's defense been rejected (by which I mean the lawsuit isn't being dismissed, it has to go through) -- but it's just been ruled that John Yoo has to testify.

It's worth noting that Padilla isn't suing for $ -- as far as I know.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Yoo argued that, as a government official, he was immune to such lawsuits. He didn’t personally participate in Padilla’s treatment and decisions about the government’s conduct during war should be decided by the president and Congress, he said.

Padilla asked for $1 in damages and court order declaring his treatment illegal and unconstitutional.

645 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:04:44am

Fox is saying that Gadahn discusses his Jewish ancestry in his newest tape.

646 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:05:30am

re: #633 realwest

Beats me, since our Founding Fathers had to put down Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion and fractured interstate politics. They weren't exactly pulling out the comfy chair.

647 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:05:32am

re: #637 MandyManners

Well it is San Fran, my guess would be...NO!

Now, how's that for a laugh?

648 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:05:39am

re: #628 lawhawk

I think that most Iranians are pro-American, clerical supporters excepted. The mullahs have cast the nuclear weapons issue as one of national sovereignty and pride, with some success.

You're correct about Ahmadinejad's religious zeal, although I don't think the second coming of the 12th Imam is a minority view within the Shiite community, itself a minority within Islam. (Think second coming of Jesus Christ for a very rough analogy). It's a fundamental theological difference from Sunni Islam. The notion of a second coming is politically dangerous, because it presents the possibility that G-d Himself will intervene directly in human affairs in the near future. To true believers, that's a basis for activism in and of itself.

649 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:07:55am

re: #644 iceweasel
Good morning. "Padilla asked for $1 in damages and court order declaring his treatment illegal and unconstitutional." Which, in the unlikely event Padilla should win, would probably result in his sentence being shortened to time served if not totally abrogated, followed by a lawsuit for damages against the US Government (I doubt Prof. Yoo has enough dough to make it worth Padilla's lawyers' while to go after him personally).

650 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:08:13am

re: #645 MandyManners

Fox is saying that Gadahn discusses his Jewish ancestry in his newest tape.

Mandy-- is he the AQ guy who is american and has a jewish grandfather?

I saw an article about this that guy last night; his new AQ tape talks about his grandfather--same guy?

651 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:08:16am

re: #590 1SG(ret)

This one's going up. It looks like a classic case of qualified immunity, where the judge has drawn the line on the side of the terrorist, failing to protect the government lawyer. Despite its flaky reputation, I'd be surprised if the Ninth Circuit doesn't reverse.

652 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:08:50am

re: #646 lawhawk
Ah, thanks - I thought I had early onset senility going for a moment there! Instead its the Judge who may have it.

653 Gang of One  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:08:56am

Good morning all!
Had to look this up:

Mao Zedong -- Snake. For Chinese astrologers it is interesting that Mao was born on the year of Snake in 1893 and died in the year of the Dragon in 1976. A snake is considered to be a "little dragon".

Mao was born on Dec. 26, 1893 and died on Sept. 9, 1976.

He was a Capricorn

654 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:09:28am

re: #650 iceweasel

Mandy-- is he the AQ guy who is american and has a jewish grandfather?

I saw an article about this that guy last night; his new AQ tape talks about his grandfather--same guy?

I believe so.

655 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:10:13am

re: #648 quickjustice

I have to disagree with your premise that most Iranians are pro-American. What's the basis for that assessment? The Islamic Revolution has been in charge for 30 years and has thoroughly indoctrinated the people of the country in that time. It's all that the youngest generation that is politically aware have ever known.

There's no reason to believe that the youngest generation is pro-American. It's nothing more than wishful thinking. You can hope for that assessment to be true, but there's no evidence to suggest it to be the case.

656 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:11:26am
657 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:11:59am

re: #650 iceweasel

He's the first American to be charged with treason in more than 50 years (Tomoya Kawakita being the last).

658 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:12:00am

Well y'all, since I do have to leave LOTS earlier today than I'd like, I'm going to post The List Now.
Anyone who see's changes that should be made, or additions or deletions, please contact me by e-mail.

659 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:12:22am

re: #639 J.S.

"Tell me another one" isn't suggesting a whopping lie? Right.

Ebadi is a lawyer working within the Iranian theocracy. She's one of them. Her Nobel Peace Prize? About as impressive as the ones awarded to Jimmy Carter, Arafat, and Gore. The Nobel Committee is impressed because she spoke out ineffectively against oppression of women and others. The Iranian authorities know that she's harmless. If she were effective, she'd be dead or in prison.

660 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:12:48am

re: #658 realwest

Well y'all, since I do have to leave LOTS earlier today than I'd like, I'm going to post The List Now.
Anyone who see's changes that should be made, or additions or deletions, please contact me by e-mail.

you da man Realwest

661 Millicent Islam  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:13:28am

re: #649 realwest

Good morning. "Padilla asked for $1 in damages and court order declaring his treatment illegal and unconstitutional." Which, in the unlikely event Padilla should win, would probably result in his sentence being shortened to time served if not totally abrogated, followed by a lawsuit for damages against the US Government (I doubt Prof. Yoo has enough dough to make it worth Padilla's lawyers' while to go after him personally).

hey RW, good morning! I hope you had a good night, even if you didn't sleep.

Obv Padilla is looking for time served/to shorten sentence.

i don't know if he'll bother to sue the govt for damages should he win this. Maybe, maybe not.

(he'd likely just sell his lifestory to the Lifetime network, no? or a Brit tabloid? )

662 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:14:13am

Lizard Prayer List 6/14/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Part 1 of 3:
Community issues:
Blessing and protection over all of us during these times.
Our government
Our troops
Israel
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

Thanksgivings
mikeymom: sister recovering from a stroke; D-i-L’s stepdad – throat cancer; and
son of a good friend-50 yrs old- having 1/3 of face removed and reconstructed next week-cancer.
Uncle Rancher: 17-year-old nephew had treatment for melanoma
Afrocity Brown: outpatient surgery went very well
bbuddha: mother-in-law doing much better
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans
Irish Rose – Son doing ok and out of danger from illness; automobile problems resolved.
MNSnowlizard - No need for further heart surgery, prayers for her and her family’s good health

[continued]

663 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:14:54am

Part 2 of 3:
Health issues:
Mikeymom: husband’s cousin's hubby just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer
Doppelganglander: son
loppyd: Brother’s knee injury and future m-i-l’s broken hip.
vagabond trader: friend’s mother fighting cancer
littleoldlady: talloldman
Pietr: Aunt Doris in hospital with poor prognosis; b-i-l Roscoe undergoing Chemotherapy
J.D.: diagnosed friend's son as having a Glioma
Doppelganglander: Passing of sister, best friend Cindy diagnosed with MS
NY Nana: son-in-law’s mum, recovering from amputation
CapeCoddah: boss John R
Iron Fist: diabetes not improving
yma o hyd: glaucoma; may need surgery; arthritis
ArmyWife: FIL just diagnosed with leukemia; good friend’s daughter dealing with issues.
UberInfidel67 and other Lizards who are trying to quit smoking
Chicago Blonde: friend battling cancer
Macker: health issues and treatment
Hoppes: has sick children, lost her MIL, and is very stressed
UberInfidel67: brother’s health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
/cont’d

664 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:14:57am

There is a guy on discovery channel cutting veggies with playing cards...kinda cool

665 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:15:07am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
Fat Bastard Vegetarian – Mother’s cancer has returned
Kawfytawk: the Springle family, who lost their father in Iraq.
Dustyvet: sudden loss of sister
loppyd: friend’s personal problems
Kawfytawk: caring for father
Teacake: emotional healing
BaseballMom57: husband’s passing; prayers for especially for their children.
ChildofMary: passing of husband, ElderZionist
US Beast: passing of mother
Vxbush: Lesion on Liver near vein, MRI scheduled; and one Lizard friend dealing with big issues
Army Green since '92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan;
yma o hyd: death of dear friend Annie; ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom home from the hospital but may be regressing
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: new 7th month foster daughter (previous foster daughter went to live with her grandma)
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Coz: Brother in law and wife in horrible motorcycle accident; wife passed away.
Pvt Bin Jammin – BIL’s son has Liver Cancer
soxfan4life – Uncle had heart attack, undergoing by-pass surgery
Sharmuta - Grandfather in hospital – blood poisoning
Lizards with family issues

Irish Rose: Lost job
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
Dianna: - mother- best possible outcome is hoped for.
GotC: strength for kids and her dealing with EH.
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

In Memoriam
Dublin(CA)Dude
USMC 1968
ElderZion
Obi Wan
All our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom and their families.

666 justdanny  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:16:21am

Raising hell still going on at just before daybreak this morning.

667 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:18:19am

I believe the average Iranian youth is more pro-American than the average US college professor. Those friendly Iranians

Everywhere I've gone in Iran, with one exception, people have been exceptionally friendly and fulsome in their praise for the United States, and often for President Bush as well. Even when I was detained a couple of days ago in the city of Isfahan for asking a group of young people whether they thought the Islamic revolution had been a mistake (they did), the police were courteous and let me go after an apology.
668 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:18:23am

re: #666 justdanny

Youtube Video

Raising hell still going on at just before daybreak this morning.

Are you the Lizard who lost contact with friends in Iran yesterday? (Either way, please pardon my sketchy memory.)

669 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:18:32am

re: #659 quickjustice

If a reporter alleges that "J Street people are Lovers of Zion!" -- and I say, "tell me another one." That does not, repeat *not*, translate into my alleging that "The reporter is a Liar!" It means that I don't believe the message that "J Street people are Lovers of Zion." Do you see the difference here? Anyway, I don't "buy" the message that the younger generation of Iranians are "pro-American." I believe that to be a misinterpretation.

670 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:18:37am

re: #664 srb1976

There is a guy on discovery channel cutting veggies with playing cards...kinda cool

eh ,,, whenever I play cards there's lots of spilled drinks, cigarette ashes and other sundry debris on the card table.

Not sure if I would eat a carrot after it was sliced with the Ace of Spadesd

671 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:19:23am

re: #655 lawhawk

Check out their clothes, their jeans, their music, their taste in motion pictures, their skateboards, their digital devices, their cellphones, their websites, and in all things American culturally. That's the best visual evidence. This is not a group of pious young Iranians solemnly tramping off to mosque.

Culturally, they think American stuff is cool. They may believe that nuclear weapons are a matter of national pride, but so does Obama.

672 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:20:25am

re: #670 sattv4u2

I like the super slow motion video...makes even simple things look neat

673 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:21:30am

re: #671 quickjustice

Check out their clothes, their jeans, their music, their taste in motion pictures, their skateboards, their digital devices, their cellphones, their websites, and in all things American culturally. That's the best visual evidence. This is not a group of pious young Iranians solemnly tramping off to mosque.

Culturally, they think American stuff is cool. They may believe that nuclear weapons are a matter of national pride, but so does Obama.

Does love of our culture translate into love of our politics?

674 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:21:50am

re: #671 quickjustice

Check out their clothes, their jeans, their music, their taste in motion pictures, their skateboards, their digital devices, their cellphones, their websites, and in all things American culturally. That's the best visual evidence. This is not a group of pious young Iranians solemnly tramping off to mosque.

Culturally, they think American stuff is cool. They may believe that nuclear weapons are a matter of national pride, but so does Obama.


and we've been told for over three decades now that the Iranian youth loves all things western, and that the academics have been prodding those same youth to uprise. Three decades. I pray that this uprising produces results, and I pray for the safety of the protesters. But after 3 plus decades I am not optomistic

675 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:22:42am

Got to go catch a plane!

Going to see my sweetie soon! "YAHOO"

Have a good day all!

Top out

676 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:23:14am

In Minneapolis, the City Council voted recently to spend $2 million in stimulus funds on a vacant 99-year-old theater that developers want to convert into a center for dance. The project would create about 48 permanent jobs, city documents indicate.

In the competition for the limited stimulus money, the council awarded less than $300,000 to a company that wants to open a solar-energy-panel manufacturing plant that would create 360 jobs by 2011, according to city records.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

lunatics in freefall

677 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:23:18am

re: #675 1SG(ret)

Have fun = )!

678 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:23:44am

re: #656 taxfreekiller
Good morning TFK - my friend - then why did you post at #270 on that thread:

If a coward truck driver did run over a kid to save his own neck,
the company E-5's and the Sgt. Major would Court Marshall his ass
and to Leavenworth he would go.

flat ass fast too, also

?

679 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:23:55am

re: #675 1SG(ret)

Got to go catch a plane!

Going to see my sweetie soon! "YAHOO"

Have a good day all!

Top out

pack extra vitamins!

Have a great and safe trip!

680 lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:25:01am

re: #674 sattv4u2

Yup. They were wearing Mickey Mouse shirts and drinking Coca-Cola back in the '80s and those people are now 20+ years older and probably the ones doing the oppressing. Their fondness for mass produced American culture is a nice little side story about Iranians, but it has never had any impact that I can discern

681 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:25:29am

re: #673 MandyManners

They understand American politics the way the Chinese kids understood it at Tiananmen Square-- at a very basic level. It's more American ideals than politics. That said, they are misinformed about current events because of a government-controlled media that has destroyed all satellite dishes except those approved by the government.

I repeat: I believe Iranian youth are fundamentally pro-American. That doesn't mean they can overthrow the regime by themselves. Pro-democracy activists in Iran need help.

682 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:26:00am

re: #675 1SG(ret)
Hey Top - sorry you missed my comment and apparently my e-mail from yesterday.
Have a safe flight.

683 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:26:43am

re: #682 realwest

Hey Top - sorry you missed my comment and apparently my e-mail from yesterday.
Have a safe flight.

Good Morning RealWest!

684 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:26:52am

re: #616 quickjustice

Since 1979, Iran has been a theocracy, the first in the history of Islam. That means the clergy are in charge.

Theocracy isn't characterized by the rule of priests. Under that definition Calvinist Geneva or the Puritan Colonies wouldn't have met the standards of a theocracy. Neither would have the Israelites who were the theocrats that the Greeks first coined the term on.

Theonomic Shari'a law and the adherence to a relatively mainstream Islamic theology that puts the literal word of God as the sole source of human ethics is what makes Iran a theocracy, not the dictatorship being in the hands of a cleric.

Surely Saudi Arabia today pays as much heed, if not more than Iran does, to the Qur'an as the source of their law. Both Iran and Saudi Arabia have auxilliary secular laws and lawmaking bodies. Saudi Arabia also has royalty which is more consistent with the Qur'an's model of rulership of a land, since it does mention following the authority of Kings but not to Parliament.

In addition, even if you discounted Shari'a and theology being the source of law for the land being the qualifier for characterizing Islamic theocracies, you'd still be left with the Medina under the rule of Mohammad himself as the very first Islamic theocracy.

685 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:27:32am

re: #683 HoosierHoops
Hey, good morning Hoops - glad to see your vacation isn't taking away ALL of your LGF time!
How ya doing today?

686 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:28:39am
687 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #685 realwest

Hey, good morning Hoops - glad to see your vacation isn't taking away ALL of your LGF time!
How ya doing today?

Watching MTP with Biden...24 hours till we fly out! weee!

688 1SG(ret)  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:29:01am

re: #682 realwest

Hey realwest, will send you an email from airport if I can get on the web there. Sorry meant to doing earlier this morning! Take care buddy! Got to go!

689 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:29:10am
690 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:29:28am

re: #680 lincolntf

If you're talking about revolution against the mullahs, you're correct. The Iranian youth movement has had its leaders killed and imprisoned by the mullahs over and over again.

We disagree about their fondness for everything American being meaningless. This is not a culture that hates America. Only the religious zealots, who run the government, hate America.

691 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:30:27am

re: #688 1SG(ret)
Only if you can e-mail me; much more important that you make that flight - have a safe and speedy one Top!

692 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:31:23am
693 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:31:53am

re: #686 momcat

mornin, HH
been ,enjoying vacation with rain, missed any meltdowns or bannings lately?

Good morning! Hope today finds you well...

694 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:32:19am

re: #689 taxfreekiller
Very, VERY cool TFK!
Hope you can digitize some of those photos and e-mail 'em or post 'em somehow!

695 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:33:00am

saw one of these yesterday down the street from me...black...160k$...so I bought it

[Link: www.mustangdreams.com...]

696 justdanny  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:33:42am

re: #668 MandyManners

Are you the Lizard who lost contact with friends in Iran yesterday? (Either way, please pardon my sketchy memory.)

Yes. Everyone flickered on and off a few times throught he night on several different messaging platforms. I have one Iranian friend who is in Spain and told me that even landlines were being affected by the blockages. I code writer computer friend in Shiraz was able to get me a message in a unique way to tell me she is ok.

Ive got all my channels open and Im waiting for three particular friends to send something out.

697 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:34:17am

I also don't buy the "We've been hearing this for three decades" stuff. I've been hearing it for about 15 years, if that. What exactly do we expect a bunch of kids to do in the face of such a repressive regime. The first Iranian revolution was possible because the Shaw was relaxing the tight grip of SAVAK and allowed the Ayatollah to return and organize. We can agree that no such relaxation is occurring today and there is no charismatic figure to lead any real reform movement.

698 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:34:22am

re: #684 Scion9

I was quoting my professor of Islam at American University in Beirut for that proposition, i.e., that the current government in Iran is the first Islamic theocracy. He was quite adamant that Muslims have kept mosque and state separate for all of their history. The Caliphate itself is the primary proof of this.

He may be wrong, and you may be right. Perhaps he meant to qualify the statement by saying "in modern history".

699 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:34:35am

Well Crap! It was a year ago that Tim Russert passed away.
rest his soul...he is missed

700 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:35:16am

re: #689 taxfreekiller

Wow! Where are you?

701 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:35:18am

re: #687 HoosierHoops
Uh, MTP?! What is that?

702 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:35:49am

re: #701 realwest

Uh, MTP?! What is that?

Meet the press...

703 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:36:30am

ALLIANCE, Ohio – An Ohio man has been sentenced to nine years in prison for stealing underwear from more than 20 women in a series of home break-ins going back to 2006. Thomas Williams, 25, pleaded guilty Wednesday to 11 felonies, including nine burglary counts. He also pleaded guilty to misdemeanor voyeurism.

Williams was arrested in April after police said a search at his home 50 miles southeast of Cleveland turned up more than 300 women's undergarments. Police said they were led to Williams because he had used Facebook to contact some victims, who didn't know him.

704 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:36:50am

re: #702 HoosierHoops
Ah, well that shows you how long it's been since I'ved watched Network TV!
Any good quotes from Biden so far?

705 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:37:20am

re: #689 taxfreekiller

sometimes life is good

706 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:37:42am
707 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:38:05am

re: #704 realwest

Ah, well that shows you how long it's been since I'ved watched Network TV!
Any good quotes from Biden so far?

Biden got his ass handed to him this morning...

708 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:38:08am

re: #690 quickjustice


We disagree about their fondness for everything American being meaningless. This is not a culture that hates America. Only the religious zealots, who run the government, hate America.

Yeah. Even if the dissidents in Iran are "pro-American" to the extent that they aren't cheering 9/11 because they have a fundamental respect for innocent life I'd consider that close enough for comfort.

A lot of residents of western Europe and Scandinavia could hardly be considered 'pro-America' but still aren't frothing at the mouth to see our blood spilled alongside the rest of the world's infidels.

709 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:39:39am

re: #696 justdanny

Yes. Everyone flickered on and off a few times throught he night on several different messaging platforms. I have one Iranian friend who is in Spain and told me that even landlines were being affected by the blockages. I code writer computer friend in Shiraz was able to get me a message in a unique way to tell me she is ok.

Ive got all my channels open and Im waiting for three particular friends to send something out.

I'll keep them in my thoughts and prayers.

710 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:39:39am

re: #684 Scion9

You're splitting some hairs. I suppose you can distinguish between "rule by clerics" and rule by clerical rules", but it seems to me that that's a distinction without much difference.

And of course, Koran, Mohammed's "recital", is stream of consciousness in much of its text. Without the overlays of Sharia law and other Muslim scholarly traditions, it would impossible to govern using it. As in other religions, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat in Islam. You just have to pick and choose your sources.

711 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:39:41am

Updated my Iran coverage, with additional video.

712 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:39:45am

re: #703 MandyManners
That would certainly fall under the Weird category, but those were house break ins, right?
Should lock the fucker up for a while.

713 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:39:59am
714 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:40:34am

re: #707 HoosierHoops Details?

715 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:41:24am

re: #690 quickjustice

If you're talking about revolution against the mullahs, you're correct. The Iranian youth movement has had its leaders killed and imprisoned by the mullahs over and over again.

We disagree about their fondness for everything American being meaningless. This is not a culture that hates America. Only the religious zealots, who run the government, hate America.

Death to Americe = We Love America
Pass the koolaid.

716 lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:41:57am

re: #690 quickjustice

Never said "meaningless". Can you point to any improvements in Iran that have come about because of Western entertainment/styles? I can't.
My understanding is that the the youths are given their bread and circuses in the form of CD players and Levi's, perhaps to the detriment of actual reform.

717 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:42:01am

I hate to admit it buuAndrew Sullivan's Iran covege is actually useful.

718 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:42:50am

re: #706 taxfreekiller
I believe you TFK - it's just not the same experience as mine - nor that of my friend who's still in a rubber room - almost literally - for following orders and shooting those two kids.
BTW, that 16 year old VC "girl sniper" - did y'all consider her a combatant?

719 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:43:13am

re: #696 justdanny

So Danny-- do you think Iranians pro-American or anti-American?

720 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:43:34am

Most Iranians favour development of nuclear weapons.
That is a deal breaker for me.

721 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:43:44am

re: #717 Jim in Virginia

I hate to admit it buuAndrew Sullivan's Iran covege is actually useful.

I think it's because he's been reading more LGF.

722 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:43:51am

re: #706 taxfreekiller

Sometimes I forget to thank you guys for your service.

Thank you for your service.

723 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:43:57am

I mean in general.

724 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:44:19am

re: #715 Spare O'Lake

So you buy into the images the Iranian government permits to be broadcast to the world? I like mine grape-flavored. How about you?

725 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:44:27am

re: #714 Jim in Virginia

Details?

Never ask a man on vacation for details..They don't exist..
*wink*

726 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:44:31am

re: #720 Spare O'Lake

Most Iranians favour development of nuclear weapons.
That is a deal breaker for me.

and what "deal" are you speking of?

727 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:45:02am

Reza Pahlavi's Wiki:

Reza Pahlavi has used his high profile status as an Iranian abroad to campaign politically for human rights, democracy, and unity among Iranians in Iran and outside it. On his website he calls for a separation of religion and state in Iran and for free and fair elections "for all freedom-loving individuals and political ideologies". He exhorts all groups dedicated to a democratic agenda to work together for a democratic and secular Iranian government.

Pahlavi has used media appearances to urge Iran's theocratic government to accept a referendum that used independently verifiable international standards and observation mechanisms.[5][6][7] He has also urged Iranians to engage in a campaign of non-violent civil disobedience, starting with non-participation in elections of the Islamic republic (elections he views as "undemocratic"), followed by peaceful demonstrations and strikes. He is, however, an outspoken opponent of any foreign military intervention for regime change in Iran,[8] believing that the people of Iran alone have the power to bring about change in their governmental system and society.

SNIP

728 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:45:15am

re: #722 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sometimes I forget to thank you guys for your service.

Thank you for your service.

a 20% tip would be advised for good service!

729 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:45:33am

re: #722 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sometimes I forget to thank you guys for your service.

Thank you for your service.


Ditto.

730 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:45:36am

re: #712 realwest

That would certainly fall under the Weird category, but those were house break ins, right?
Should lock the fucker up for a while.

He's eligible for parole in about 4.5 years.

731 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:46:06am

re: #713 momcat

hey Mandy,
do you remember in the 70,80,s, in nashville, the guy they called the footstomper, a guy who went around stomping on women,s feet?

Can't say that I do. Did they ever catch the creep?

732 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:46:41am

re: #716 lincolntf

That's correct, but that doesn't mean there isn't simmering resentment under the surface. The "armistice" right now is: Iranian kids: Give us our western stuff, and we won't make trouble for you right now.

733 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:48:38am
734 lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:49:39am

re: #732 quickjustice

Which is why I get no positive vibes from seeing them with IPods and Nikes.

735 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:49:40am

re: #733 momcat

yeah, they did, after several YEARS and dozens of women having their feet stomped on.
the guy was a mental,homeless guy.
one of the strangest stories nashville has ever had.

Nashville is a cool city...Love to visit there

737 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:50:44am
738 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:51:27am

WEST BURLINGTON, Iowa - An umpire emptied the stands at a high school baseball game, ejecting the entire crowd of more than 100 fans for being unruly.

Umpire Don Briggs said he had no problem with any of the student athletes during Thursday's game between Winfield-Mount Union and West Burlington.

He said he had to take action because fans were being unruly, yelling and arguing.

SNIP

739 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:52:12am

re: #733 momcat

yeah, they did, after several YEARS and dozens of women having their feet stomped on.
the guy was a mental,homeless guy.
one of the strangest stories nashville has ever had.

I hope he got intensive therapy while locked up.

740 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:52:54am

re: #736 legalpad

What a bozo. He could have collected them at parties. No B & E.

I think part of the thrill was the danger involved.

741 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:53:07am

Well y'all I gotta run and do those chores now - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:53:10am

re: #738 MandyManners

Parents...can be pretty intense.
or
Parents...some are idiots.

743 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:53:34am

Some responsive posts contain just the Lizard's nic with no number of the post to which they're replying. What's up with that?

744 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:53:39am

re: #634 legalpad

Because everyone else wanted "Israel and the Palestinians"!

745 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:54:23am

re: #742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Parents...can be pretty intense.
or
Parents...some are idiots.

You've been attending The Kid's games?

746 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:54:32am

re: #727 MandyManners

Reza Pahlavi's Wiki:

SNIP

I don't doubt Reza Pahavi's sincerity but his usefulness to the Opposition in Iran is negligible. This is not a perfect metaphor, but would you quote Richard Nixon to question Obama's honesty, or praising the Romanov's behavior to criticize Putin and the Russian oligarch's thievery and waste?
Pahlavi has too much bad family history.

747 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:54:45am

Nashville

[Link: www.wildhorsesaloon.com...]

748 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:55:04am

re: #738 MandyManners

re: #742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son has been on a traveling soccer team for a few years. I could tell you stories about some of the parents that range from heartwarming to outright criminal

749 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:55:26am

re: #740 MandyManners

I think part of the thrill was the danger involved.

Like using facebook to target victims. He should separate his thrills from his crimes. But since he's such a weirdo I'm glad he's stupid.

750 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:55:40am

re: #743 MandyManners

Some responsive posts contain just the Lizard's nic with no number of the post to which they're replying. What's up with that?

See No. 733 for example.

751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:56:06am

re: #748 sattv4u2

Competitive cheerleading... it got ugly.

752 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:56:22am

re: #746 Jim in Virginia

I don't doubt Reza Pahavi's sincerity but his usefulness to the Opposition in Iran is negligible. This is not a perfect metaphor, but would you quote Richard Nixon to question Obama's honesty, or praising the Romanov's behavior to criticize Putin and the Russian oligarch's thievery and waste?
Pahlavi has too much bad family history.

Steeped in it.

753 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:56:25am

Good morning from the Adirondacks. Another nice day here, mix of clouds and sun, with a slight breeze.

And the trout were co-operative yet again.

754 FrogMarch  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:56:34am

Pocket Guide to Democratic Statements on Health Care


Obama always seems to be in a hurry, trying to ram legislation through without any time for a review. This was the case with the enormous and failed "Stimulus Package" that no one had a chance to read.

And now, Obama proposes to create the largest government entitlement program in world history, despite the fact that government has raped the Medicare "Trust Fund", raped the Social Security "Trust Fund" and offloaded huge Medicaid bills on state governments.

As for Obama's "open mind"? Roll Call Magazine reported this week that interested parties were threatened by Democrat staffers for even talking to Republicans about socialized medicine ("Baucus Aides Warn K Street"). The threatened private groups include representatives of hospitals, doctors and nurses. And the Democrats are threatening them with punishment if they even talk to Republicans.

/can't possibly be true. must be a conspiracy. Teh Democrats are holy and precious pure beings. They would never lie to us in order to ram through a huge controlling fascistic government program.

755 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:57:17am

re: #746 Jim in Virginia

Reza Pahavi's support is mostly from the ex-pat community. It's not particularly significant to the events inside Iran at the moment. The fight there is between the various factions of the mullahocracy, none of whom voice a pro-Western intent.

756 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:57:38am

re: #747 albusteve

Nashville

[Link: www.wildhorsesaloon.com...]

Been there...Done that...I went to college with Etta James's band leader...
Last year we hung out there at the wild horse saloon with him...
That woman is something special

757 justdanny  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:57:49am

re: #719 quickjustice

So Danny-- do you think Iranians pro-American or anti-American?

Iranians are pro Iran first. If we mess with them and they know it they will clog together in a mass and be anti everything on the planet except for defending Iran from outsiders.

I believe 70% of Iranians despite their age are anti guardian council/ islamic theocracy. I believe 15% are philosophically anti everything but islamic theocracy. And I believe 15% couldnt care less about islam or who is in control just so that they continue to profit from the isolation of Iran from the world.

On thing like I said above is clear to me. If they know or suspect that we, America, are fucking with them and their destiny, they will all, 100% fight against us.

758 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:57:49am

re: #744 quickjustice

Because everyone else wanted "Israel and the Palestinians"!

I did a report on Iran, but it was in 8th grade or so, approximately 1 million years ago. A different world.

759 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:58:00am

re: #751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Competitive cheerleading... it got ugly.

nothing worse than ugly cheerleaders!

760 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:58:13am

re: #748 sattv4u2

re: #742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son has been on a traveling soccer team for a few years. I could tell you stories about some of the parents that range from heartwarming to outright criminal

All we do is cheer loudly. Well, some of us use or former cheerleading voices.

761 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:58:27am

re: #751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Competitive cheerleading... it got ugly.


IIRC, twenty years ago a Texas mom tried to get one of her daughter's cheerleader competitors killed.

Some people need serious medication.

762 Irish Rose  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:59:02am

Good morning, dear friends.

763 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:59:12am

re: #749 legalpad

Like using facebook to target victims. He should separate his thrills from his crimes. But since he's such a weirdo I'm glad he's stupid.

The breaking in is part of his attempt to dominate women. Perhaps a rapist in the making?

764 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:59:25am

re: #756 HoosierHoops

Been there...Done that...I went to college with Etta James's band leader...
Last year we hung out there at the wild horse saloon with him...
That woman is something special

sadly, her time is short

765 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:59:36am

re: #762 Irish Rose

Good morning, dear friends.

Howdy! How are you today?

766 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:59:51am

re: #753 irongrampa

Good morning from the Adirondacks. Another nice day here, mix of clouds and sun, with a slight breeze.

And the trout were co-operative yet again.

You're killing lake-kittehs?

767 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 7:59:57am

re: #756 HoosierHoops

"At Last"?

Sexiest song ever recorded... IMHO.

768 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:00:41am

re: #766 MandyManners

As frequently as possible. They're extremely tasty.

769 lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:00:53am

re: #754 FrogMarch

Since the rational people are out of power at the moment, Obama will probably get his way on Nationalized Health Care. It would almost be better if it happened sooner rather than later. It will fail, and the sooner citizens see the failure the faster they can work on reversing the damage Obama/Pelosi/Frank/Reid inflict.
Maybe even in time for the 2010 elections.

770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:01:02am

re: #759 sattv4u2

nothing worse than ugly cheerleaders!

U-G-L-Y
You ain't got no alibi
Yer Ugly, Ugly, Ugly!

771 Irish Rose  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:01:35am

re: #765 HoosierHoops

Hanging in there.

772 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:03:42am

re: #726 sattv4u2

and what "deal" are you speking of?

The delusional myth that most Iranians are not willing members of the axis of evil.

773 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:04:16am

re: #771 Irish Rose

{Rose}

Purrr...

774 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:05:58am

re: #767 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"At Last"?

Sexiest song ever recorded... IMHO.

Etta James is a very nice person...My buddy has some great stories he shares. We had dinner with her a few years ago..
She is very cool

775 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:06:09am

The Internal Revenue Service is weighing proposals to tax a portion of work-related cell phone bills as a "fringe benefit" and is looking at ways to simplify the law--actions the wireless industry is hoping to squash.

The IRS is proposing that employers declare 25 percent of an employee's annual cell phone expenses as a taxable benefit. However, the tax collector said employees could avoid being taxed under the proposal if they were able to prove they used personal cellphones for non-work-related calls during work hours.

776 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:06:13am

IRAN: Protestors burn state bank



June 13th. It is getting harder to get videos. facebook and other sites have been blocked. texting is blocked. calls are monitored
777 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:07:10am

I love it, love it, the government is going to have socialized healthcare if they have to kill us to get it.

"June 12 (Bloomberg) -- Health-care overhaul legislation being drafted by House Democrats will include $600 billion in tax increases and $400 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel said."

"...$400 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid," hell, I don't get jack shit from these folks to start with, and by the time I am eligible or whatever, there isn't going to be anything left.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

778 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:07:30am

re: #770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

U-G-L-Y
You ain't got no alibi
Yer Ugly, Ugly, Ugly!

U-G-L-Y
You ain't got no alibi
You ugly--hey,hey-you ugly
Like yo momma'.

779 FrogMarch  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:07:44am

re: #769 lincolntf

Since the rational people are out of power at the moment, Obama will probably get his way on Nationalized Health Care. It would almost be better if it happened sooner rather than later. It will fail, and the sooner citizens see the failure the faster they can work on reversing the damage Obama/Pelosi/Frank/Reid inflict.
Maybe even in time for the 2010 elections.

Once Socialized medicine is institutionalized, it will be hard to turn it around. When was the last time the federal government said they were going to cut a program? If Obama and the dems get their way on this, say goodbye to private health care, choice, medical improvements, and competition forever.

Of course, the corruptocrats have stolen the buzz words "choice" and "competition" - and have mangled the words into propoganda and lies.

780 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:09:21am

Sunday gospel...take a load off

781 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:09:48am

re: #776 Killgore Trout

IRAN: Protestors burn state bank



Excellent. You realize of course that they learned this stuff in "Death to America 100".

782 lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:09:48am

re: #779 FrogMarch

While it's true that the Gov't pretty much never limits its own scope, I think that the consequences of Socialized medicine will be so dire and so immediate that Congress/a new President will not only reverse it, but actively campaign on doing just that.

783 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:09:52am

IRAN: Riot Police Runs Away from Protestors

In Esfahan.

784 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:10:13am

re: #780 albusteve

I'm already taking a load off with a beer and the only Guns N Roses song I've ever liked.

785 VegasRick  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:10:50am

re: MandyManners

Like this?

786 swamprat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:11:37am

re: #772 Spare O'Lake

The delusional myth that most Iranians are not willing members of the axis of evil.

I wonder if their children go to evil petting zoos?

787 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:11:41am

re: #785 VegasRick

Like this?

Well, the nic is hyperlinked or whatever you call the blue nic.

788 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:11:56am

re: #698 quickjustice

He was quite adamant that Muslims have kept mosque and state separate for all of their history. The Caliphate itself is the primary proof of this.

The Caliphate is a construct of Islamic theology. I'd say it is pretty hard to argue that the Caliphate was not theocratic just because Sunni Islam doesn't demand that an Imam rule (although it also doesn't bar that as a possibility in the same way that the ancient Jews barred Priests from being Kings yet still had a theocracy).


You're splitting some hairs. I suppose you can distinguish between "rule by clerics" and rule by clerical rules", but it seems to me that that's a distinction without much difference.

It's not splitting hairs at all. Henry VIII was the Head of the Church and King of England and as such essentially held the status as being a worldly representative for God (a much strong claim than being even an Ayatollah), yet England was not a theocracy under Henry. Their laws were not inherently based on Protestant Christianity, and their class of legal scholars, jurists and court officers were not required to be theologians or adhere to theonomy as their overarching mechanism for determining legality. The law of the land only filtered through Christian cultural mores, but not through the filter of theological litmus tests as part of their design and Church officials didn't have authority to veto law on the basis of its passing theological muster.

The same can't be said of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, Calvin's Geneva or a great many historical Islamic Kingdoms that did in fact necessitate the laws be in line with theology and as a result priests were necessarily arbitrators of laws because a non-theologian wouldn't be able to do the job. The actual reigns of executive power technically being in the hands of legislators, governors or royalty wasn't a factor in disqualifying them from being classified as theocracies.

The issue with the Caliphates 'separating' mosque from State isn't one of intention but poor design and the inability to foster that political formula. The Qur'an puts restrictions on a rightly acting Muslim ruler but puts no actual authority into the hands of the theological/jurist class to rebuke him when he fails to act as a good Muslim. It shouldn't be surprising that Kings don't like being told they have limits on their powers and equally as unsurprising that they ignore those restrictions when the only power that will visit grievance upon them for their indiscretions is a metaphysical God sitting in judgment in the afterlife. The Caliphates and other Islamic Kingdoms were not inherently untheocratic; their rulers were just bad at implementing theocracy because it was more beneficial and desirable for them to rule as they wished. The Caliph and vassals followed Shari'a when it suited them, and ignored it when it got in the way of security to their rule and the collection of taxes, which isn't any different than Iran today.

The same can be said of Jewish Kings of antiquity that flouted the law because they were at the top of the hierarchy; but the law of the land was still handed down by God, and arbitrated and interpreted by his priests.

789 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:12:44am

re: #777 Walter L. Newton


And you know they'll pass whatever they wish, Walter.
Don't look for the ""Blue Dog" Dems to oppose anything in meaningful numbers, only some, if it will present them as independent pols. The rest will roll over like good dogs.

790 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:12:59am

I hope to G*d someone's already posted the link this AM:
Tehran Bureau -- Sunday Iran Alerts

I feel no reason to doubt the authenticity of the message from the hospital. It's gut-wrenching, heartbreaking.

The Hungarian Uprising is not a good parallel, but it keeps coming to mind.
(Anyone of my generation will understand.)

791 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:13:13am

re: #784 Sharmuta

I'm already taking a load off with a beer and the only Guns N Roses song I've ever liked.

beer recognizes no time zone...hail!

792 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:14:09am

re: #772 Spare O'Lake

The delusional myth that most Iranians are not willing members of the axis of evil.

{sigh}

"Most Iranians" are not unlike "most" of any other citizens of a country. They, like us, want what they beleive is best for their country. The Iranians look to their eats and see a nuclear power (Russia). They looke to their west and see another nuclear power withing "striking" distance (Israel). Just like North Korea, they (the Iranians) figure that it's in their self interest to have the same "strength" as their neighbors.

That stated, take mmy post as in NO WAY advocating that I beleive that Iran and/ or NorK should have nukes.

793 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:14:18am

re: #781 Spare O'Lake

I think it's pretty significant that they can burn a bank in a major city and cops don't show up. At least overnight they had no control over the streets.

794 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:15:16am

re: #790 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks, I'm getting caught up on the events overnight.

795 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:15:18am

re: #791 albusteve

beer recognizes no time zone...hail!

It's happy hour somewhere.

And this MP3 site is not run by brainiacs. It wouldn't let me replay the song a second time, so I deleted my cookies, and voilá.

796 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:16:04am

re: #763 MandyManners

The breaking in is part of his attempt to dominate women. Perhaps a rapist in the making?

Probably. But controlling others is the surest way of enslaving yourself as Lincoln once noted:

"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy."

The man must be terrified of life, as, I guess, are most abusers.

797 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:16:59am

too much murder and mayhem...
try this...Etta


798 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:17:16am

re: #757 justdanny

Iranians are pro Iran first. If we mess with them and they know it they will clog together in a mass and be anti everything on the planet except for defending Iran from outsiders.

I believe 70% of Iranians despite their age are anti guardian council/ islamic theocracy. I believe 15% are philosophically anti everything but islamic theocracy. And I believe 15% couldnt care less about islam or who is in control just so that they continue to profit from the isolation of Iran from the world.

On thing like I said above is clear to me. If they know or suspect that we, America, are fucking with them and their destiny, they will all, 100% fight against us.

Their fucking destiny does NOT include nuking Israel and having their terrorist proxies Hezbollah and Hamas kill innocent Jews. As long as they understand that they can go fuck themselves at their own leisurely pace. But until they learn that, they are in my crosshairs, those motherfuckers.

799 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:17:56am

re: #783 Killgore Trout

I think that's somewhat misleading video, as I picked that up in my coverage. You indeed see the police leaving in force, but that may be simply to reengage at a better location for their purposes. Without knowing what else is going on off screen, there's no way to tell.

800 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:19:07am

re: #757 justdanny

On thing like I said above is clear to me. If they know or suspect that we, America, are fucking with them and their destiny, they will all, 100% fight against us.

I think right now they know that it is their own government that is fucking with them.

801 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:19:13am

re: #795 Sharmuta

It's happy hour somewhere.

And this MP3 site is not run by brainiacs. It wouldn't let me replay the song a second time, so I deleted my cookies, and voilá.

they can't stop you...
they can only hope to contain you

802 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:19:44am

re: #782 lincolntf

While it's true that the Gov't pretty much never limits its own scope, I think that the consequences of Socialized medicine will be so dire and so immediate that Congress/a new President will not only reverse it, but actively campaign on doing just that.

I think anyone that campaigns on taking away free stuff is going to lose in a catastrophic fashion.

803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:19:45am

By the way...(this question is for the TV watching Lizards) Anybody out there with the Palladia TV channel?

Noon (eastern) Crossroads...Robert Plant/Alison Kraus...

He does a version of "The Boy Who Wouldn't Hoe Corn" that is amazing.

804 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:20:16am

re: #793 Killgore Trout

I think it's pretty significant that they can burn a bank in a major city and cops don't show up. At least overnight they had no control over the streets.

Yep. I love it. Thanks for posting it, you made my morning. Burn baby burn.

805 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:21:03am

re: #801 albusteve

they can't stop you...
they can only hope to contain you

I can delete my cookies over and over again and listen for free all day! Life is good.

806 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:21:37am

re: #805 Sharmuta

I can delete my cookies over and over again and listen for free all day! Life is good.

pwnd

807 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:21:50am

re: #796 legalpad

But controlling others is the surest way of enslaving yourself as Lincoln once noted:

"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy."

What Lincoln said was not applicable to rape and the general subjugation of women.

808 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:23:02am

re: #806 albusteve

You'd think they'd know better. I almost feel bad at how easy it is to cheat their system. Almost.

809 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:23:12am

re: #734 lincolntf

Listening to western music on your ipod, as opposed to taking to the streets, risking your life in a cause, are different in degree. Nonetheless, there is "soft" rebellion and "hard" rebellion. Sometimes one morphs into the other.

810 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:23:30am

re: #802 Scion9

Why? People just elected a President who they knew was going to take money out of their pockets. Didn't seem to slow him down any.
More important than the cost will be the quality/availability of health care. There are already nightmare stories of ER's being overcrowded, etc. Wait until the people who "ran" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac get their hands on medical decisions, it won't be pretty.

811 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:23:48am

Each time they keep telling me the first song is free, then I have to sign up. Or delete my cookies. Suckers.

812 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:23:50am

They just showed a picture of the Guard that got shot this week...
A very handsome man...I am so sorry for his family...

813 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:25:08am

re: #799 lawhawk

good point.

814 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:25:32am

re: #802 Scion9

I think anyone that campaigns on taking away free stuff is going to lose in a catastrophic fashion.

That touches on a post JCM made about FCBBHO's own words about negative liberty.

If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.

But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.

815 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:26:14am

Etta and the boys

816 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:26:22am

re: #807 MandyManners

What Lincoln said was not applicable to rape and the general subjugation of women.

Well, I think it is in principle, if we are understanding each other. It, of course, was not what he was addressing, but subjugation = slavery.

817 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:26:42am

re: #742 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Parents...can be pretty intense.
or
Parents...some are idiots.

I'd go with the latter. As a coach of several youth teams I have had the lovely experience of telling my kids parents to simmer down on more than one occasion. I don't know about the psychology involved but it seems to be pandemic. Bad behavior leaks down to the kids making it damn near impossible to teach the kids and have some fun. I still coach, but sometimes I wonder why.

818 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:27:11am

re: #769 lincolntf

What Obama means by "reform" in health care is drastic cost-cutting and rationing to save the government money. Senior citizens will be the group the feels the greatest impact.

819 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:28:12am

re: #792 sattv4u2

{sigh}

"Most Iranians" are not unlike "most" of any other citizens of a country. They, like us, want what they beleive is best for their country. The Iranians look to their eats and see a nuclear power (Russia). They looke to their west and see another nuclear power withing "striking" distance (Israel). Just like North Korea, they (the Iranians) figure that it's in their self interest to have the same "strength" as their neighbors.

That stated, take mmy post as in NO WAY advocating that I beleive that Iran and/ or NorK should have nukes.

And most Germans in Nazi Germany were good people too and loved their country.
And most Japanese in WWII were good people too who loved their country.
But they still had to be stopped, just like Nork and Iran must be stopped.

820 justdanny  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:29:59am

re: #800 Sharmuta

I agree completely.

821 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:30:18am

The right wing blogs are really dropping the ball. The situation in Iran could potentially change the world. Hot Ait put up a poll about the biggest Obama mistake of the week. Instapundit is posting about the Tea Parties and shilling for the Fair Tax. Huffpo's coverage is better that the MSM. Dkos is doing a good job and the top rated spinoff link is from Andrew Sullivan. The blogoshpere has really changed.

822 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:30:25am

Come on, albusteve... Play me something kind of rockin'.

823 nyc redneck  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:31:23am

re: #818 quickjustice

What Obama means by "reform" in health care is drastic cost-cutting and rationing to save the government money. Senior citizens will be the group the feels the greatest impact.

ironic, isn't it?
the group of people who have worked the longest and hardest to make the country what it is.
in some cases it will like putting them out on ice flows because they are no longer of any use.
and bureaucrats will be making these decisions.

824 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:31:33am

re: #820 justdanny

I agree completely.

I hope they know the American people are on their side and not the side of their government.

825 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:32:06am

re: #816 legalpad

Well, I think it is in principle, if we are understanding each other. It, of course, was not what he was addressing, but subjugation = slavery.

It's not quite the same but, as the subject of rape sometimes (like right now) raises my hackles to the point that I get irrational, I'll have to stop my part in this discussion.

826 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:32:44am

Gotta pass this on ...

Summary of Life

GREAT TRUTHS THAT LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE LEARNED:

1) No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize cats.
2) When your Mom is mad at your Dad, don't let her brush your hair.
3) If your sister hits you, don't hit her back. They always catch the second person.
4) Never ask your 3-year old brother to hold a tomato.
5) You can't trust dogs to watch your food.
6) Don't sneeze when someone is cutting your hair.
7) Never hold a Dust-Buster and a cat at the same time.
8) You can't hide a piece of broccoli in a glass of milk.
9) Don't wear polk-a-dot underwear under white shorts.
10) The best place to be when you're sad is Grandpa's lap.

GREAT TRUTHS THAT ADULTS HAVE LEARNED:

1) Raising teenagers is like nailing jelly to a tree.
2) Wrinkles don't hurt.
3) Families are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few nuts.
4) Today's mighty oak is just yesterday' s nut that held its ground.
5) Laughing is good exercise. It's like jogging on the inside.
6) Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy.

GREAT TRUTHS ABOUT GROWING OLD

1) Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
2) Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.
3) When you fall down, you wonder what else you can do while you're down there.
4) You're getting old when you get the same sensation from a rocking chair that you once got from a roller coaster.
5) It's frustrating when you know all the answers but nobody bothers to ask you the questions.
6) Time may be a great healer, but it's a lousy beautician.
7) Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.

THE FOUR STAGES OF LIFE :

1) You believe in Santa Claus.
2 ) You don't believe in Santa Claus .
3) You are Santa Claus.
4) You look like Santa Claus..

SUCCESS:

At age 4 success is . . . Not piddling in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . . Having friends.
At age 17 success is. . Having a driver's license.
At age 35 success is. .. . Having money.
At age 50 success is . . . Having money.
At age 70 success is . . . Having a driver’s license.
At age 75 success is . ... Having friends.
At age 80 success is . . . Not piddling in your pants.

Always remember to forget the troubles that pass your way;
BUT NEVER forget the blessings that come each day.

Have a wonderful day with many! *smiles*

827 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:34:16am

re: #794 Killgore Trout

Thanks, I'm getting caught up on the events overnight.

One comment on that page says Rafsanjani has been "absent" since his letter of yesterday. (Given the communications blackout, ... not surprising.)

Kahmeini appears to have thrown in with the Pasdaran (and hence, ShortShit) which hates Rafsanjani's guts. The Supreme Leader's decision isn't too suprising to me, since the Pasdaran is the key to the Islamic Republic's survival.

My read is that Rafsanjani is the key to any sort of a different outcome other than what's in the works. The comms blackout will throttle almost everything but his massive political clout. Exactly where he might take things, though, is anybody's guess.

828 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:34:38am

re: #826 Bobibutu

SUCCESS:

At age 4 success is . . . Not piddling in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . . Having friends.
At age 17 success is. . Having a driver's license.
At age 35 success is. .. . Having money.
At age 50 success is . . . Having money.
At age 70 success is . . . Having a driver’s license.
At age 75 success is . ... Having friends.
At age 80 success is . . . Not piddling in your pants.

LOL!

829 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:35:32am

re: #761 Jim in Virginia

IIRC, twenty years ago a Texas mom tried to get one of her daughter's cheerleader competitors killed.

Some people need serious medication.

I thought is was the rival cheerleaders mother that was on the hit list.

830 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:35:50am

re: #819 Spare O'Lake

And most Germans in Nazi Germany were good people too and loved their country.
And most Japanese in WWII were good people too who loved their country.
But they still had to be stopped, just like Nork and Iran must be stopped.

Let's get 'em!

831 justdanny  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:36:37am

re: #824 Sharmuta

I hope they know the American people are on their side and not the side of their government.

The ones I know have no doubt that Americans support their desire for freedom from the mullahcracy. I know hardcore lefties and righties there and they all believe (my friends, the ones I know) that it is time for the mullahs to go away.

832 mich-again  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:36:55am

I think Iran is as much a kleptocracy as it is a theocracy. The Mullahs have divvied up the State Economy and each of them profit from the inside deals personally. I suppose its possible that a group of "religious" leaders would simultaneously be industry barons as well, but I think its far more likely that they are just garden variety despots using their position of power for their own personal financial gain.

833 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:37:35am

re: #827 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The national strikes could be enough to send things over the edge if they go on long enough. I think that the people have lost enough confidence in the current system that a political settlement might not be an option at this point.

834 VegasRick  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:38:22am

re: #830 legalpad

Let's get 'em!

I thought you posted this

835 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:39:54am

pure, straight up rock and roll...
Carol

836 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:40:18am

Come on, albusteve... Rock me! Like this, or something:

837 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:41:07am

re: #833 Killgore Trout

The national strikes could be enough to send things over the edge if they go on long enough. I think that the people have lost enough confidence in the current system that a political settlement might not be an option at this point.

The thing we don't know from here is how wide spread this is. I'm nopt talking geographically, as I know there are protests going on in many major cities. But what percentage of the people are involved? THAT will tell us how efective a national strike would be and THAT would show if they will be able to force the current gov't/ systems hand

838 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:41:09am
839 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:41:24am
840 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:41:27am

re: #826 Bobibutu

I like these:

4) Today's mighty oak is just yesterday' s nut that held its ground.

THE FOUR STAGES OF LIFE :

1) You believe in Santa Claus.
2 ) You don't believe in Santa Claus .
3) You are Santa Claus.
4) You look like Santa Claus..

I still seem to be Santa Claus.

841 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:42:41am

cool song
Cowboy Mouth

842 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:42:47am

re: #840 legalpad

I like these:


I still seem to be Santa Claus.

And, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

843 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:43:46am

re: #821 Killgore Trout

The right wing blogs are really dropping the ball. The situation in Iran could potentially change the world. Hot Ait put up a poll about the biggest Obama mistake of the week. Instapundit is posting about the Tea Parties and shilling for the Fair Tax. Huffpo's coverage is better that the MSM. Dkos is doing a good job and the top rated spinoff link is from Andrew Sullivan. The blogoshpere has really changed.

I already said that some on the right don't care. It's more important for them to demonize all muslims than to support freedom- the antithesis of islam. Stupid, imo.

844 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:43:54am

re: #821 Killgore Trout

The right wing blogs are really dropping the ball. The situation in Iran could potentially change the world.

UP-ding!

I'm not following the other blogs, but (rhetorically) if it is, and remains, as you say, then I wish a plague on their stupid houses.

845 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:43:54am

re: #828 Sharmuta

When ya boil it down ... it's true.

846 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:44:23am

re: #835 albusteve

Thanks!

847 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:44:56am

re: #840 legalpad

I'm kinda stuck on #4.

848 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:45:50am

re: #810 Lincolntf

Why? People just elected a President who they knew was going to take money out of their pockets.

No, some voted for a President who they thought was going to give them free stuff. Some voted for the Historic First Black President. Some voted for Hope and Change. Some voted against Bush II AKA McCain.

If Obama shoehorns in UHC by 2010 and someone campaigns to overturn it by 2013 I think they will lose on that basis. Everyone will be beholden to the system for their well being, or know someone who is for either care or employment.

It doesn't matter how badly broken social security, welfare, medicare/medicaid are; even talk of reforming them is borderline verboten. Campaigning on taking them away would be political suicide. UHC will just be another one of those things, that even if it sucks and isn't doing what it is supposed to do, no one will want to get rid of it.

I think it would have to be as badly administered and as catastrophic as Soviet programs to actually get overturned. As in mass starvation, disease and death which doesn't seem terribly likely. Even if this UHC thing guts the economy the media will blame it on time-traveling Voodoo Witchdoctors before they blame it on a Democrat in office, much less Obama. The failure would have to be catastrophically visible to peoples actual health for them to correlate something to the failure of healthcare. If the economy tanks, well shit anything could cause that.

849 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:45:50am

re: #833 Killgore Trout

The national strikes could be enough to send things over the edge if they go on long enough. I think that the people have lost enough confidence in the current system that a political settlement might not be an option at this point.

Good point. I just noticed (this AM) the call for strikes.

850 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:45:56am

Sergeant York just went off.

That was one bad-ass pacifist.

851 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:46:10am

classic Freddie...
nice pants

852 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:46:13am

Crap. Just changed the channel in time to watch the closing credits of "Sergeat York" on TMC. Haven't seen that movie since I was a kid. Maybe I'll catch it next Flag Day.

853 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:47:17am

re: #852 Lincolntf

ha! Did ya see my 850?

854 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:47:40am

re: #843 Sharmuta

I already said that some on the right don't care. It's more important for them to demonize all muslims than to support freedom- the antithesis of islam. Stupid, imo.

/tempted to unlimber the sock to give that another upding

855 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:48:14am
856 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:49:05am

Killgore- we came to learn from the vlaams belang mess that the "counter-jihad" is full of bigots. Many of these bigots have blogs, and think they're right-wingers. Why would these people care about the Iranians and their freedom? They don't care. They're bigots who think the entire region should be wiped off the map.

Ugly and the plain spoken truth.

857 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:50:03am

re: #854 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thank you, Hon.

858 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:50:39am

re: #852 Lincolntf

Crap. Just changed the channel in time to watch the closing credits of "Sergeat York" on TMC. Haven't seen that movie since I was a kid. Maybe I'll catch it next Flag Day.

Bringing up Baby is on next.

859 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:50:56am

re: #850 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sergeant York just went off.

That was one bad-ass pacifist.

true Christians would never kill anyone

860 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:51:16am

re: #853 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Must have been typing when you posted it. Now they're showing a cool sportsmen's reel from back in the 40's or 50's.

861 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:52:53am

re: #859 albusteve

I'd kill someone a lot.

862 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:53:03am

I think the purpose of cheap beer is to drink it quickly so you don't have to bother tasting that it's cheap beer.

863 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:53:04am

re: #858 MandyManners

It might be sacrilege, but I can't stand that movie. I love big cats so I sat through it once. Don't know why, but the whole flick annoys me. Except for "Baby" of course.

864 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:53:22am

re: #856 Sharmuta

Killgore- we came to learn from the vlaams belang mess that the "counter-jihad" is full of bigots. Many of these bigots have blogs, and think they're right-wingers. Why would these people care about the Iranians and their freedom? They don't care. They're bigots who think the entire region WORLD OTHER THAN THIER COUNTRY should be wiped off the map.

Ugly and the plain spoken truth.

They are almost more jingoistic than anything else.

865 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:53:43am

re: #839 Spare O'Lake

Dhimmi dhimmi good lovin'

lol. No dhimmis here. I tend to shoot first, do forensics later.

866 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:53:58am

re: #861 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wha?

867 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:54:04am

re: #860 Lincolntf

Did you see the size of that "Devil-fish"? Dayam!

868 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:54:21am

re: #843 Sharmuta

I already said that some on the right don't care. It's more important for them to demonize all muslims than to support freedom- the antithesis of islam. Stupid, imo.

I'm also noticing that coverage from Dkos and Huffpo relies on friends and acquaintances who have family there. Most of the counterjihad and right wing blogs don't seem to have very good connections.

869 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:54:30am

re: #867 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was absolutely amazing.

870 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:54:34am

re: #842 MandyManners

And, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

My Kim Jong-il wife is the Easter bunny.

871 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:55:00am

re: #865 legalpad

lol. No dhimmis here. I tend to shoot first, do forensics later.

I ALWAYS yell "STOP, OR I'LL SHOOT"

Unfortunately, I get the sequence in the wrong order!

872 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:55:02am

re: #843 Sharmuta

I already said that some on the right don't care. It's more important for them to demonize all muslims than to support freedom- the antithesis of islam. Stupid, imo.

I strong suspect they don't know squat about Islam itself -- history and undercurrents, like a Bernard Lewis or a Daniel Pipes does.

I myself know only a little more than squat, but I've learned enough to realize that (most?) of the politicized pundits are precisely that.

/yes, I'm keeping one of Spencer's books as a data resource, but I no longer trust it completely

873 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:55:05am

re: #864 sattv4u2

They are almost more jingoistic than anything else.

That's a good point. To them "The West" is America, Canada and Europe, and to hell with the rest of the world.

874 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #862 Sharmuta

I think the purpose of cheap beer is to drink it quickly so you don't have to bother tasting that it's cheap beer.

No one drinks cheap beer on Vacation...It's against the law

875 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:55:35am
876 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:56:16am

re: #863 Lincolntf

It might be sacrilege, but I can't stand that movie. I love big cats so I sat through it once. Don't know why, but the whole flick annoys me. Except for "Baby" of course.

I watch just about anything with Hepburn in it.

877 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:56:31am

re: #871 sattv4u2

I ALWAYS yell "STOP, OR I'LL SHOOT"

Unfortunately, I get the sequence in the wrong order!

"Bang, bang, bang!" Uh, FREEZE!

878 Flyers1974  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #821 Killgore Trout

The right wing blogs are really dropping the ball. The situation in Iran could potentially change the world. Hot Ait put up a poll about the biggest Obama mistake of the week. Instapundit is posting about the Tea Parties and shilling for the Fair Tax. Huffpo's coverage is better that the MSM. Dkos is doing a good job and the top rated spinoff link is from Andrew Sullivan. The blogoshpere has really changed.

I think the reason for their comparatively sparce treatment of this subject is, they haven't yet figured out how to best blame Obama. Until they get that in order, the subject in and of itself, holds little interest to them.

879 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:56:55am

re: #857 Sharmuta

Thank you, Hon.

Reason Number One why I didn't do that -- SockPuppy has a ... problem

:D

880 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:57:02am

re: #866 Sharmuta

Steve said a true Christian wouldn't kill anyone. I'm a Christian, I'd kill someone. That's all.

Circumstances would require it, but I'd do it.

Someone's going to harm my family? Someone's dead.

That kind of thing.

"Why'd you shoot him 6 times?"
"Didn't have any bullets left."

881 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:57:04am

re: #868 Killgore Trout

I'm also noticing that coverage from Dkos and Huffpo relies on friends and acquaintances who have family there. Most of the counterjihad and right wing blogs don't seem to have very good connections.

Why would they? They're bigots.

882 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:57:16am

re: #873 Sharmuta

That's a good point. To them "The West" is America, Canada and Europe, and to hell with the rest of the world.

Don't get me wrong. You're absolutly correct that they are bigots. Problem is, they want to "send back" anyone thats not like them, then obliterate where they "sent them back" too!

883 pink freud  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:57:21am

Drudge has posted a familiar picture top and center. It's part of this photo essay from North Korea, posted about a week ago here on the overnight thread. I can't remember the lizard who originally posted it for attribution ...the pics are wonderful.

884 VegasRick  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:57:49am

re: #872 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I strong suspect they don't know squat about Islam itself -- history and undercurrents, like a Bernard Lewis or a Daniel Pipes does.

I myself know only a little more than squat, but I've learned enough to realize that (most?) of the politicized pundits are precisely that.

/yes, I'm keeping one of Spencer's books as a data resource, but I no longer trust it completely

Spencer knows jihad, he just has a lot of very questionable friends.

885 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:57:52am

re: #877 legalpad

"Bang, bang, bang!" Uh, FREEZE!

yup ,, I'll use the damn dyslexia defense!

886 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:57:57am

re: #877 legalpad

"Bang, bang, bang!" Uh, FREEZE!

"What's the difference in the police in America and the Soviet Union, Yakov?"
"Warning shots!"

887 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:58:13am

re: #859 albusteve

true Christians would never kill anyone

True Christians would never murder anyone ... there is a difference.

888 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:58:15am

re: #870 legalpad

My Kim Jong-il wife is the Easter bunny.

Watch your back or she'll be reading over your shoulder again.

889 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:58:23am

re: #859 albusteve

true Christians would never kill anyone

They don't need to. We'll do it for them.

890 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:58:32am

re: #874 HoosierHoops

No one drinks cheap beer on Vacation...It's against the law

I'm not on vacation. Just been up for half the day, so I figured I could have a beer.

891 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 8:58:55am
892 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:00:23am

re: #878 Flyers1974

No- muslims living in freedom holds no interest for them.

893 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:01:31am

re: #875 Iron Fist

We had Winston08 who spoke fluent Farsi but we lost him a few months ago.

894 VegasRick  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:01:48am

re: #891 Iron Fist

Reload.

"Bang!Bang!Bang!Bang!Bang!Bang!Bang!Bang!"

That should finish the job. They taught me to shoot them until they stopped moving. Everytime you shoot him, he moves again, right?

Democrat, Republican or a Redneck?
[Link: www.sodahead.com...]

895 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:02:14am

re: #878 Flyers1974

I had the same thought.

896 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:02:15am

re: #866 Sharmuta

Wha?

"Kill him a lot." is my favorite line from the movie "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer".

Delivered by Paul Reubens. Yep. Peewee.

897 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:02:35am

re: #890 Sharmuta

I'm not on vacation. Just been up for half the day, so I figured I could have a beer.

You know me...Vacation and lots of beer...
There ought to be a law! LOL

898 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:03:03am

re: #893 Killgore Trout

We had Winston08 who spoke fluent Farsi but we lost him a few months ago.

NY Nana posted a link to his blog yesterday.

899 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:03:18am

re: #896 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They are remaking that apparently. Can't be the same without Peewee, and the world's longest death scene.

900 formercorpsman  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:03:35am

re: #821 Killgore Trout

I have not been to any other blogs with the exception of azarmehr.blogspot.

We agree 1000%. We are the same age, and I am sure recall 1979 with some clarity.

For some reason, this seems different than other times. Even if our government is not pushing them in more effective terms, the blogosphere should be united in fomenting support.

I could not agree more.

901 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:03:44am

re: #876 MandyManners

I watch just about anything with Hepburn in it.

Me too. And she is just adorable in Bringing Up Baby.

903 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:04:14am

re: #898 MandyManners

NY Nana posted a link to his blog yesterday.

He posted topside last night.

904 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:04:57am

re: #898 MandyManners

Did he ever make it to the States? Did he get the translation job?

905 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:05:04am

re: #884 VegasRick

Spencer knows jihad, he just has a lot of very questionable friends.

I'll grant that, but what I've come to suspect is that Spencer has a single-minded focus on the jihad-related aspects of Islam (if not the jihad-specific), and ignores everything else.

906 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:05:14am

re: #862 Sharmuta

I think the purpose of cheap beer is to drink it quickly so you don't have to bother tasting that it's cheap beer.

* * * *
It's still nutritious carbohydrate. Use it to cook with then, in bread or soup.

Who can drink the champagne of beers right now?

907 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:06:00am

And I'm going to make myself crystal clear on this point. Many of the "counter-jihadi" blogger-bigots, like fjordy, did not support the war in Iraq.

Because they don't care.

They don't care that Western styled freedom is the antithesis of islam. They are not interested in islam reforming itself. Now why, if freedom is the antithesis of a fascist styled regime, would a Westerner and counter-jihadi oppose freedom for muslims in Iraq or Iran? The only conclusion I can come to is that they're not really interested in a reformed islam. They just want to engage in genocidal rhetoric, and perhaps the deed itself. They wish to impose their bigoted worldview upon the rest of the world, where they are superior and those that are not are disposed of. There's a reason why they're considered fascists around here- it's because that is what they are.

908 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:06:11am

re: #899 Scion9

They are remaking that apparently. Can't be the same without Peewee, and the world's longest GREATEST Death! scene.

909 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:07:06am

re: #903 Bobibutu

He posted topside last night.

Winston?

910 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:07:30am

Broken clock time from Carter:

He doesn't see Israel giving up the Etzion bloc of communities. That's not going to sit well with the Arabs.

911 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:07:41am

re: #904 Killgore Trout

Did he ever make it to the States? Did he get the translation job?

I have no idea.

912 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:07:49am

CNN can hardly be considered "right wing" -- I consider them essentially moderates. Yet their coverage of the Iranian elections were also subject to scathing indictments. Also, on CBC (yet another source that can hardly be termed 'rightwing') yesterday evening they were reporting that everything in Tehran was peaceful -- no violence whatsoever was being reported. That's what CBC was claiming in their 'news' coverage -- only in the late evening were there reports about sporadic outbreaks of violence in Tehran.

913 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:08:33am

Iran TV screen capture - voting irregularities exposed (picture inside)

That screenshot clearly shows that the vote for Rezai actually went backwards as the count was coming in, from 633048 votes to 587913 votes. Very strange indeed.


Heh.

914 VegasRick  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:08:39am

re: #905 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'll grant that, but what I've come to suspect is that Spencer has a single-minded focus on the jihad-related aspects of Islam (if not the jihad-specific), and ignores everything else.

Agreed, hence my "knows jihad" statement

915 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:08:50am

re: #909 MandyManners

Winston?

Now - I could be wrong but his avatar and name were there - linking to Iran data.

916 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:08:59am

We need to quit kidding ourselves about some of our so-called fellow travelers.

917 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:09:15am

re: #893 Killgore Trout

I think he was bi-polar or something. The nicest Lizard; then the meanest, most bitter.

918 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:09:46am

re: #907 Sharmuta

And I'm going to make myself crystal clear on this point. Many of the "counter-jihadi" blogger-bigots, like fjordy, did not support the war in Iraq.

Because they don't care.

They don't care that Western styled freedom is the antithesis of islam. They are not interested in islam reforming itself. Now why, if freedom is the antithesis of a fascist styled regime, would a Westerner and counter-jihadi oppose freedom for muslims in Iraq or Iran? The only conclusion I can come to is that they're not really interested in a reformed islam. They just want to engage in genocidal rhetoric, and perhaps the deed itself. They wish to impose their bigoted worldview upon the rest of the world, where they are superior and those that are not are disposed of. There's a reason why they're considered fascists around here- it's because that is what they are.

* * * *
Amazing how this mentality is a mirror image of the leftists who hated our "liberation" of Iraq from fascist Baathist tyranny--preferring to let the murderous genocidal Saddam & Sons to continue to slaughter innocents with extra UN Food for Oil funds.

919 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:10:24am
920 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:10:45am

re: #917 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think he was bi-polar or something. The nicest Lizard; then the meanest, most bitter.

I can understand that problem, fuck it :)

921 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:10:58am

re: #917 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think he was bi-polar or something. The nicest Lizard; then the meanest, most bitter.

Lately there have been new contenders to that title.

922 formercorpsman  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:11:06am

re: #907 Sharmuta

If something truly materializes in Iran right now, I think an absolutely solid argument can be made directly because of what Bush did by taking on Iraq.

Seriously, if there is a coup in Iran that runs the mullah's out, I would consider that maneuver to be to be comparable to Reagan's efforts against the Soviet Union.

With that, I hope you all have a good day. I am going out to purchase 3 cases of beer for an excellent assistant coach (my gratitude for all he does) and then all things baseball for about 6-8 hours.

923 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:11:16am

re: #914 VegasRick

Agreed, hence my "knows jihad" statement

heh

:D ... thanks for the affirmation of my private hunch

924 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:11:37am

re: #920 Walter L. Newton

What's up, ya skinny son of a gun?

925 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:11:39am

re: #919 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't think that's conclusive proof, I really can't make it out myself but it sure is fishy.

926 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:11:55am

re: #913 Killgore Trout

Iran TV screen capture - voting irregularities exposed (picture inside)


Heh.

* * * *
Voting irregularities = known ACORN international community/Caliphate specialty

927 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:12:02am

re: #909 MandyManners

Winston?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

here ya go ...

928 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:12:06am

re: #918 alegrias

Because some on the left and right actually share the same mentality- the unconstrained vision. They just arrive at different conclusions, but the disrespect for Enlightenment principles is obvious.

929 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:12:35am

re: #902 Killgore Trout

Early Report Day Two: Media Police Run, Protestors Trapped by Police, Ayatollahs Daughter Arrested.
Scroll down to the last picture.

First photograph: Why is he wearing Klein undies? Klein is Jewish.

930 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:12:58am
931 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:14:18am

re: #927 Bobibutu

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

here ya go ...

Thanks!

932 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:14:24am

Morning again...big thunderstorm coming through here...love this weather = )

933 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:14:31am

re: #916 Sharmuta

We need to quit kidding ourselves about some of our so-called fellow travelers.

* * * *
As former V.P. Dick Cheney said recently, freedom is for everybody.

(this was said in context of gay rights, but is proven by Cheney/Bush's record of liberating people from despots despite leftist/rightist isolationists)

934 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:14:33am

re: #924 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What's up, ya skinny son of a gun?

I'm not that skinny, stop that. I am going to be so glad when this week is over. This has been one of the busiest opening weeks we've had in years. New carpet, new lobby furniture, new show, tech week, opening night buffet, busy, busy, busy.

Tomorrow I having a tooth worked on, and I am actually looking forward to being drugged and sitting in that chair.

And I don't have dental coverage, so, this is a hit out of my pocket, enough to have bought a Iphone. But, I need teeth more than an Iphone.

935 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:14:34am

re: #915 Bobibutu

Now - I could be wrong but his avatar and name were there - linking to Iran data.

I just did a user search for Winston08 and came up dry.

936 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:15:08am

re: #929 MandyManners

First photograph: Why is he wearing Klein undies? Klein is Jewish.

They seem to be very popular. Another guy here.

937 Flyers1974  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:15:10am

re: #831 justdanny

The ones I know have no doubt that Americans support their desire for freedom from the mullahcracy. I know hardcore lefties and righties there and they all believe (my friends, the ones I know) that it is time for the mullahs to go away.

I've talked to hundreds of Arabs and to a much lesser degree, Iranians. All in the US. The Iranians I've talked to, and of course I'm speaking in general terms, seem to me to understand and agree with American values. Many of the Arabs I've met, while seeming to genuinely like much of what the US has to offer, like America in terms of economic opportunity and lack of corruption. They don't seem to care or understand as much, about the basic philosophical freedoms. I don't know where or if this affects their attitudes, but the Iranians I've met are also generally more educated and more wealthy that the Arabs, so admittedly my comparison is far from perfect.

938 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:15:14am

re: #921 Bloodnok

Lately there have been new contenders to that title.

If nominated, I won't run ,, if elected, I won't serve !

//

939 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:15:33am

re: #932 srb1976

Morning again...big thunderstorm coming through here...love this weather = )

Not so much fun when there is a big funnel cloud in it. We've had a week of nasty weather here in Colorado.

940 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:16:42am

re: #925 Killgore Trout

I don't think that's conclusive proof, I really can't make it out myself but it sure is fishy.

Yeah, it could have been the result of data entry GIGO in the studio.

... then again ...

/gee, is that the trash?! ... I though I took it out last night!

941 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:16:50am

re: #935 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I just did a user search for Winston08 and came up dry.

Looks like we got a 06 and an 08... Who's on first?

942 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:17:07am

re: #939 Walter L. Newton

Heard about that the other day...thought of you.

Didn't really care, but I thought of you.

943 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:17:10am

re: #925 Killgore Trout

CNN has been reporting that the voting results (in terms of how the votes were counted) are (apparently) suspect. Thus, CNN has noted that 20 percent of the vote was "counted" within an hour of so of the polls closing -- how could the votes have been counted that quickly? -- many are suspcious of the counting, suggesting that there were "massive" irregularities. (I think everyone "knows" by now that the "vote" for Ahamadinejad was in/determined beforehand -- he was chosen by the Supreme Leader long before -- what remains curious, as Daniel Pipes points out is -- Why? Why choose Ahamadinejad?)

944 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:17:37am

re: #934 Walter L. Newton

I'm not that skinny, stop that. I am going to be so glad when this week is over. This has been one of the busiest opening weeks we've had in years. New carpet, new lobby furniture, new show, tech week, opening night buffet, busy, busy, busy.

Tomorrow I having a tooth worked on, and I am actually looking forward to being drugged and sitting in that chair.

And I don't have dental coverage, so, this is a hit out of my pocket, enough to have bought a Iphone. But, I need teeth more than an Iphone.

What up Walter! We fly out on Midwest connect in the morning...
Vacation time Bro!

945 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:17:43am

re: #936 Killgore Trout

Damn, no remote linking. Another Calvin Klien underwear guy. (scroll down to the guy in the yellow shirt. )

946 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:18:42am

re: #935 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I just did a user search for Winston08 and came up dry.

SHIT ... Winston06 !

/thanks, Bobibutu

947 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:18:54am

re: #936 Killgore Trout

They seem to be very popular. Another guy here.

404 — File not found.

I wonder how many know that they're wearing undies once sold by a Jew.

948 VegasRick  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:19:06am

re: #945 Killgore Trout

Damn, no remote linking. Another Calvin Klien underwear guy. (scroll down to the guy in the yellow shirt. )

Killgore, I'm starting to worry about you.
/

949 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:19:08am

re: #902 Killgore Trout

You're referring to a picture of a guy with all kinds of marks on his back.

Any word on whether they were due to Ashura? It's great propaganda, but let's just say I am a wee bit cynical when we're talking about a regime like Iran.

950 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:19:32am

Crossword time! Woo hoo!

951 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:19:39am

re: #930 Iron Fist

One thing that often gets brushed over about Iraq is that our "containment and sanctions" policy was fucked six ways from Sunday. You had the Russians and the French getting bribed with the "Oil for Food" scam while dealing weapons to the Iraqis under the table. If we'd backed down and not gone to war, sanctions would be over now, and Saddam would have opened up those WMD facilities that were mothballed and had his programs running today.

We'll never know what he would have done with them, but I think that is for the best.

* * * *
Yes, IronFist, so true. You'll love this bit I read this week somewhere:

Chrysler motors' new owner FIAT is still in court over doing dirty dealings with Saddam Hussein during the UN Oil for Food scandal.

Yes, Italy's FIAT mafiosi motors were selling equipment to Saddam Hussein during SANCTIONS, and now they own Chrysler.

Thank, President Obama, for doing great DUE DILIGENCE before handing over US companies to mafiosi outfits like FIAT's corrupt management, and the UAW's fat cats, with OUR TAX dollars.

952 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:20:34am

re: #944 HoosierHoops

What up Walter! We fly out on Midwest connect in the morning...
Vacation time Bro!

To where?

953 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:20:42am

re: #949 lawhawk

Ashura was months ago. those are fresh baton marks. There are enough videos of clubbings that I see no reason to doubt that pic.

954 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:20:59am

re: #950 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crossword time! Woo hoo!

Cross words? We're supposed to swear at each other now? Damn you!

/how was that?

955 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:21:08am

re: #949 lawhawk

You're referring to a picture of a guy with all kinds of marks on his back.

Any word on whether they were due to Ashura? It's great propaganda, but let's just say I am a wee bit cynical when we're talking about a regime like Iran.

Would flagellation leave horizontal marks?

956 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:21:23am

re: #941 Bobibutu

Looks like we got a 06 and an 08... Who's on first?

Well, (*innocence personified*) I was just following the nic which Killgore posted up-thread.

/*screaming It'sNotMyFault as I wipe the egg off my face* ... :D

/SARC

957 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:21:50am

re: #949 lawhawk

You're referring to a picture of a guy with all kinds of marks on his back.

Any word on whether they were due to Ashura? It's great propaganda, but let's just say I am a wee bit cynical when we're talking about a regime like Iran.

Could be, but if that IS a protester (and his flashing the PEACE sign would indicate it) and we can verify when the photo was taken I would say the security forces did it

958 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:22:26am

re: #955 MandyManners

Would flagellation leave horizontal marks?

No, but some soft velvet ties, a velvet rope, blindfold... oh... never mind...

959 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:22:48am

re: #950 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crossword time! Woo hoo!

Oleo. Greatest crossword answer of all time. It's in there every few days. Or "aerie". Used in a sentence: TFK has an aerie in his back yard.

960 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:22:56am

re: #952 Walter L. Newton

To where?

Lake Tomahawk, Wisc. I have a lakeside Cabin there...
Walter! Too much fun next week

961 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:22:59am

re: #954 Sharmuta

Cross words? We're supposed to swear at each other now? Damn you!

/how was that?

What do you call a college that specializes in hydro-electrics

962 VegasRick  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:23:06am

re: #958 Walter L. Newton

No, but some soft velvet ties, a velvet rope, blindfold... oh... never mind...

David Carradine is dead.

963 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:23:11am

re: #943 J.S.

Why? Why choose Ahamadinejad?)

That is the $64 frikkin' question.

964 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:23:48am

re: #939 Walter L. Newton

Not so much fun when there is a big funnel cloud in it. We've had a week of nasty weather here in Colorado.

It's supposed to be tornado season here...but no sirens yet...these big storms tend to blow up and blow over pretty quick around here

965 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:24:02am
966 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:24:53am

re: #962 VegasRick

David Carradine is dead.

* * * *
If any of my tax dollars went to government FBI to "investigate" that freak, I'll be disappointed in our President's budget restraint.

967 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:24:59am

re: #949 lawhawk

You're referring to a picture of a guy with all kinds of marks on his back.

Any word on whether they were due to Ashura? It's great propaganda, but let's just say I am a wee bit cynical when we're talking about a regime like Iran.


They were bruises, not cuts. Ashura self-flagellation is with blades of various types.

968 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:25:16am

Unrelated to Iraq, but interesting:

Anybody wondering what Code Pink is up to these days?

They've been in Egypt, protesting the speech and Obama over Ghaza, and trying to deliver a letter from the Hamas leaders.

969 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:25:35am

I'm sorry I asked about those marks. Ick.

970 justdanny  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:26:15am

re: #937 Flyers1974

Irans culture is steeped in intelligence and modern thinking. Despite being conquered by islam and trampled on by many other cultures, and foreign meddling, their culture of forward thinking intelligence over primitveness (islam) has remained alive. They are a wonderful people. They need a revolution desperatly.

971 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:26:24am

re: #967 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They were bruises, not cuts. Ashura self-flagellation is with blades of various types.

Chains also, no ? (which could/ would leave both cuts and bruises)

972 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:26:33am

Hoops... wish I could come party with you in Sconi.

973 debutaunt  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:27:16am

re: #876 MandyManners

I watch just about anything with Hepburn in it.

The Philadelphia Story is terrific.

974 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:27:24am

re: #965 Iron Fist

It might. Those look more like whipmarks than the way a baton damages you. If that were from a club there'd be brusing (probably worse than what this guy shows), possibly even broken bones, instead of wealts.

I'm not saying he wasn't beaten by the police, only that these don't look like baton marks to me. It looks like a more flexible weapon was used here.

I may be way off base here. but it looks to me like strap marks..unless he was wearing a really coarsely woven shirt...was thinking like a thick heavy strap...

975 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:27:28am

re: #963 Bobibutu

Why? Why choose Ahamadinejad?)

That is the $64 frikkin' question.

* * * *
Easy answer. Iran's mullahs really really hate us.

(America and Israel, that is).

P.M. Bibi Netanyahu gets to respond forcefully to Iran tonight.

Ought to be fantastic match up. Better than the apologist appeasenik crap spewed by the US President in Cairo.

976 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:27:48am

re: #967 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They were bruises, not cuts. Ashura self-flagellation is with blades of various types.

Isn't "self-flagellation" redundant in that a flagellant whips himself?

977 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:28:26am

re: #973 debutaunt

The Philadelphia Story is terrific.

Better than the one with Grace Kelly.

978 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:28:46am

re: #934 Walter L. Newton

I'm not that skinny, stop that. I am going to be so glad when this week is over. This has been one of the busiest opening weeks we've had in years. New carpet, new lobby furniture, new show, tech week, opening night buffet, busy, busy, busy.

Tomorrow I having a tooth worked on, and I am actually looking forward to being drugged and sitting in that chair.

And I don't have dental coverage, so, this is a hit out of my pocket, enough to have bought a Iphone. But, I need teeth more than an Iphone.

I just had a front post/tooth replaced...boom!...2300$

979 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:28:57am

re: #968 reine.de.tout

Unrelated to Iraq, but interesting:

Anybody wondering what Code Pink is up to these days?

They've been in Egypt, protesting the speech and Obama over Ghaza, and trying to deliver a letter from the Hamas leaders.

* * * *
CodePink's women could be John Kerry's body guards, like Khaddafi's all female escorts, in service of jihad.

980 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:29:41am

re: #973 debutaunt

The Philadelphia Story is terrific.

The actress that played the kid sister was terrific. Almost stole the show if not for the heavyweights in the cast.

981 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:30:24am

re: #970 justdanny

Irans culture is steeped in intelligence and modern thinking. Despite being conquered by islam and trampled on by many other cultures, and foreign meddling, their culture of forward thinking intelligence over primitveness (islam) has remained alive. They are a wonderful people. They need a revolution desperatly.

* * *
Iranians have American troops liberating moslems on either side of their country, in Afghanistan & Iraq.

That ought to be enough inspiration to get their own revolutionary party going.

982 Flyers1974  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:30:39am

re: #970 justdanny

Irans culture is steeped in intelligence and modern thinking. Despite being conquered by islam and trampled on by many other cultures, and foreign meddling, their culture of forward thinking intelligence over primitveness (islam) has remained alive. They are a wonderful people. They need a revolution desperatly.

Here is a couple questions: what would Iran look like after a legitimate election? What would Egypt look like? Who would you be more worried about?

983 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:30:50am

re: #963 Bobibutu

He was the Chosen One.

Or consider the possibility that Ahmadinejad is acting outside the consent of the mullahs and engaged in a coup against the mullahs. Mitigating against that is Khamenei's statement supporting Ahmadinejad's election.

984 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:30:59am

re: #982 Flyers1974

Here is a couple questions: what would Iran look like after a legitimate election? What would Egypt look like? Who would you be more worried about?

Egypt.

985 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:31:08am

re: #978 albusteve

I just had a front post/tooth replaced...boom!...2300$

Well, 350 for a drill, clean out the cavity and then a cap, since top of tooth is gone. That's out of my pocket.

986 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:31:11am
987 avanti  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:31:33am

re: #951 alegrias

* * * *
Yes, IronFist, so true. You'll love this bit I read this week somewhere:

Chrysler motors' new owner FIAT is still in court over doing dirty dealings with Saddam Hussein during the UN Oil for Food scandal.

Yes, Italy's FIAT mafiosi motors were selling equipment to Saddam Hussein during SANCTIONS, and now they own Chrysler.

Thank, President Obama, for doing great DUE DILIGENCE before handing over US companies to mafiosi outfits like FIAT's corrupt management, and the UAW's fat cats, with OUR TAX dollars.

Fiat was fined and paid back the bribes they paid Iraq for the "famous 10" bribes that Saddam extracted from Fiat and dozens of companies abroad and in the US. href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/fiat-pays-out-18m-to-settle-iraq-charges-1208617.html" target="_blank">Fiat.

988 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:31:42am

re: #967 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks. Looked more closely and see that they are indeed bruising, not scars from the self-flagellation of Ashura.

989 Flyers1974  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:31:54am

re: #984 Sharmuta

No doubt.

990 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:32:06am

re: #978 albusteve

I just had a front post/tooth replaced...boom!...2300$

* * * *
You're worth it!

(Amazing how awful people look without teeth in front.)

991 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:33:01am

Rumors are starting...
StopAhmadi

"some anti riot forces are speaking in Arabic! apparently imported from Lebanon"

This is why it's best for the US to not get openly involved or make supportive statements. Open foreign meddling would be frowned upon.

992 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:33:57am

re: #991 Killgore Trout

I saw something earlier about forces in Tehran praising Hezbullah.

993 legalpad  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:34:18am

re: #876 MandyManners

I watch just about anything with Hepburn in it.

My Fair Lady?

994 avanti  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:34:30am

re: #987 avanti

Fiat was fined and paid back the bribes they paid Iraq for the "famous 10" bribes that Saddam extracted from Fiat and dozens of companies abroad and in the US.


Better link.

995 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:34:37am

re: #943 J.S.

Why choose Ahamadinejad?

re: #963 Bobibutu

That is the $64 frikkin' question.

See the Tehran Bureau article linked to in this comment of mine yesterday.

996 srb1976  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:34:47am

re: #986 Iron Fist

Could be. It could even be something like a belt. The wealts look to be, what, maybe an inch wide? With a baton you really only hit with the top two or three inches. It wouldn't leave long marks like that. At least it doesn't in my experience, and I've done a lot of work with batons.

Could be...a belt or something like...first thing that popped into my head was a lifting sling (or something similar)
looks like it would be difficult to self-inflict some of those bruises though...like I said, may be WAY off base here though

997 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:35:07am

re: #993 legalpad

Bringing up Baby is on TCM now.

998 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:35:11am

re: #987 avanti

Fiat was fined and paid back the bribes they paid Iraq for the "famous 10" bribes that Saddam extracted from Fiat and dozens of companies abroad and in the US. href="[Link: www.independent.co.uk...] target="_blank">Fiat.

999 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:35:17am

re: #988 lawhawk

There was a report of a western news reporter also being beaten with a baton...(reported by CNN)...the reporter (didn't catch who he was working for) stated that the beatings were indiscriminate -- women, old people, young, didn't matter. Also reports that the police would ride about on motorcycles, and strike people with batons...(later Ahmadinejad had the audacity to condemn the motorcycle people as being "hooligans.")

1000 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:35:20am

re: #987 avanti

Fiat was fined and paid back the bribes they paid Iraq for the "famous 10" bribes that Saddam extracted from Fiat and dozens of companies abroad and in the US. href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/fiat-pays-out-18m-to-settle-iraq-charges-1208617.html" target="_blank">Fiat.

* * * *
Avanti, Et tu Brutus? You're defending Saddam's enablers who opposed the UN's own rules! You're so fair & balanced...like Solomon the wise. NOT

1001 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:35:48am
1002 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:36:18am

re: #984 Sharmuta

Egypt.

Absolutely. The Egyptian population is absolutely radicalized to critical mass. Nasserism didn't deliver what it promised, and the Egyptian rulers never differentiated themselves sufficiently from their British predecessors. Egypt, in the eyes of the Egyptians might as well still be a colony of a Western nation. It's in all reality the birth place of the modernized strain of Islamic extremism, and of Al Qaeda specifically.

1003 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:36:18am

re: #990 alegrias

* * * *
You're worth it!

(Amazing how awful people look without teeth in front.)

4 months without a front tooth...could not say 'fuck you' properly at all

1004 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:36:43am

re: #998 HoosierHoops

What the Hell? You're link did not work and my post did not take...dang it!

1005 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:37:09am

re: #1004 HoosierHoops
Demons from the Id.

1006 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:37:20am

re: #991 Killgore Trout

Rumors are starting...
StopAhmadi

This is why it's best for the US to not get openly involved or make supportive statements. Open foreign meddling would be frowned upon.

* * * *
Let Hezbollah be Hezbollah! I can't believe you're advocating letting Lebanese Hezbollah thugs beat people up un-armed Iranian people, BECAUSE Hezbollah has weapons!

1007 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:37:42am

re: #976 MandyManners

Isn't "self-flagellation" redundant in that a flagellant whips himself?

I bow to the expert in these matters.

PIMF ... bow submit

... hmm, maybe I oughta quit while I'm ahead still alive

/:D

1008 debutaunt  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:37:45am

re: #958 Walter L. Newton

No, but some soft velvet ties, a velvet rope, blindfold... oh... never mind...

...and?...and?...

1009 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:37:48am

re: #1002 Scion9

Absolutely. The Egyptian population is absolutely radicalized to critical mass. Nasserism didn't deliver what it promised, and the Egyptian rulers never differentiated themselves sufficiently from their British predecessors. Egypt, in the eyes of the Egyptians might as well still be a colony of a Western nation. It's in all reality the birth place of the modernized strain of Islamic extremism, and of Al Qaeda specifically.

Indeed- the birthplace of the muslim brotherhood would worry me much, much more than the Persians.

1010 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:38:15am

re: #992 Sharmuta

That's entirely possible. It's looking increasingly likely that this isn't so much about the election and the candidate who lost. It's starting to look like the mullahs vs the secularists. The implications of a secular Iran are huge. It really would change the world and might even put a serious dent in global jihad and caliphate dreams.

1011 DisturbedEma  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:38:23am

re: #1000 alegrias

* * * *
Avanti, Et tu Brutus? You're defending Saddam's enablers who opposed the UN's own rules! You're so fair & balanced...like Solomon the wise. NOT

Ahhh, fair and balanced. . .never has having a lack of conviction and courage been so maligned. . .

1012 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:38:38am

Shug
Realwest
Thanos
Zimriel

and all others involved in the "soldiers running down kids in Iraq" story from last night:

I have made a statement at the end of that thread.

Here it is:

I feel compelled to clarify.

As stated above, I do not doubt Shug's sincerity. He has emphasized that he told the story as he heard it to the best of his ability.

That leaves us with a simple bifurcation of possibilities. Either his friend the pediatric surgeon was telling war stories the way people often do, with embellishments, for whatever reason - to make herself seem more important, to underline the horrors of war, because she saw it in a movie, the possibilities are endless - and the story is essentially false. Or the story is essentially true and we have a huge effin' problem on our hands.

Where I fault Shug is for being naive enough to come in here and tell that kind of story expecting everybody to draw the same conclusion from it. LGF is famous for being a tough room where we fact-check your ass. Are we all supposed to accept that horrible tale at face value and then shrug it off as an example, to use Shug's own words, of "what our brave armed forces see and do each and every day - God bless them all"?

Shug had to expect someone (e.g. Thanos) would question the story's veracity. And that others would allow that it might be true but not accept that it's OK or "just war" or "Just War" or a reason to salute the flag.

I don't know what to think, but I do know this: Everything I've heard about our troops from people who've been there with them would seem to say that such things - if they ever happen - are the extreme exception and not standard operating procedure. That they're certainly not done and then made light of by saying "we're lucky they [the run-over kids] didn't explode". Everybody knows about suicide bombers in Iraq but so far as I remember nobody ever sent kids out as bombs. I think I would recall something like that. To the contrary, I've read a lot about our real brave troops putting themselves at risk rather than do such things. If it was ever done then either under extreme duress - incoming mortar fire or what have you - or it was a goddamn war crime. Either way it needs to be investigated.

So here's the bottom line, Shug: I'm giving you 24 hours from now, 12:30 EDT, June 14 - until the same time tomorrow, June 15 - to clarify this situation. Failing that, I will forward this thread to the JAG Corps and let the chips fall where they may. I have made a screen shot just in case.

That is all.

Charles has been notified.

When and as necessary I will provide my real name and address to the authorities.

1013 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:38:44am

re: #1003 albusteve

4 months without a front tooth...could not say 'fuck you' properly at all

* * * *
And who would want to accept your offer!

1014 Racer X  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:38:51am

We're gonna have a parade.

Neener neener neener.

1015 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:39:47am

re: #1003 albusteve

4 months without a front tooth...could not say 'fuck you' properly at all

Now you can say the poem at #433

1016 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:39:53am

re: #1006 alegrias

I can't believe you're advocating letting Lebanese Hezbollah thugs beat people up un-armed Iranian people

I'm not.

1017 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:40:17am

re: #1010 Killgore Trout

That's entirely possible. It's looking increasingly likely that this isn't so much about the election and the candidate who lost. It's starting to look like the mullahs vs the secularists. The implications of a secular Iran are huge. It really would change the world and might even put a serious dent in global jihad and caliphate dreams.

Absolutely it would! The mullahs are funding hamas and hizbullah! Without that money, the enemies of Israel and the West would be crippled.

1018 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:40:20am
1019 debutaunt  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:40:40am

re: #977 MandyManners

Better than the one with Grace Kelly.

I also like that musical version. Celeste Holm is hilarious.

1020 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:40:48am

re: #1015 Bloodnok

I might re-work that. I think I could improve it.

1021 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:40:50am

re: #1010 Killgore Trout

That's entirely possible. It's looking increasingly likely that this isn't so much about the election and the candidate who lost. It's starting to look like the mullahs vs the secularists. The implications of a secular Iran are huge. It really would change the world and might even put a serious dent in global jihad and caliphate dreams.

* * * *
Duh. Iraq has already achieved this next door. IRAQ's people are freer than any other islamic republic, thanks to our massive assist, blood, sweat & tears.

1022 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:41:53am

re: #1017 Sharmuta
Yep. Cut off the funding and they'll have to look elsewhere. IIRC, Iran has deep pockets, maybe the replacement funders(?) won't have as deep pockets.

1023 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:01am

re: #999 J.S.

the beatings were indiscriminate -- women, old people, young, didn't matter. Also reports that the police would ride about on motorcycles, and strike people with batons..

I'm reminded of mounted Dragoons riding down rioters in one of the opening scenes of Doctor Zhivago.

1024 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:20am

re: #975 alegrias

The ruling mullah are all billionaires... They want to run the islamic world their way (shia). They are in the minority. The presidency has been passed around peacefully while the existing president and his cronies all get a piece of the pie.

Why upset the apple cart?

I don't think their feelings about the great satan run them in this picture.

1025 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:25am

re: #1018 Iron Fist

This is another post in which the post number is not displayed. This has happened repeatedly this morning.

1026 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:26am

re: #1017 Sharmuta

...and Hamas too. The modern revival of political Islam and modern Islamic terrorism really started with the Iranian revolution. The failure of that theocracy would have a lot of implications.

1027 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:31am

re: #1016 Killgore Trout

I'm not.

* * *
OK, glad to hear you're not defending Hezbollah's armed assaults on Iranian dissidents.

Ballsy PM Bibi Netanyahu might slap down Hezbollah & Iran tonight, however.

1028 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:35am

re: #1018 Iron Fist

I disagree. I think Iran has it in them to be a global threat. Egypt, not so much. They may both be screaming nuts, religio-ideologically, but the difference is clear. Iran is already exporting terror. Egypt may be turning a blind eye to weapons smuggling into Hamasistan, but those weapons come from Iran.

But the question wasn't about current conditions. If both Iran and Egypt were to have truly fair and honest elections, I would be more concerned about the results in Egypt. The Iranians, I believe, would vote for real reform and freedom. Egypt would elect the muslim brotherhood.

If the mullahs go down, hamas and hizbullah's funding would go buh-bye.

1029 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:45am

re: #1020 Sharmuta

I might re-work that. I think I could improve it.

If you take out my favorite bit:

We'll soup the squirrel
or squirrel the soup

...I may never talk to you again. That's a promise. ;)

1030 debutaunt  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:57am

re: #980 Bloodnok

The actress that played the kid sister was terrific. Almost stole the show if not for the heavyweights in the cast.

Her fake rich kid imitation was so much fun.

1031 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:42:57am

re: #991 Killgore Trout

Rumors are starting...
StopAhmadi


This is why it's best for the US to not get openly involved or make supportive statements. Open foreign meddling would be frowned upon.

Permit me a Fantasy Island scenario: what if things get bloody, (including active involvement by Pasdaran military units), AND it comes out ... inside Iran ... that Hezbollah imports are actively involved in violently suppressing the demonstrators.

What might the mood be inside the Artesh?

/fantasy mode off

1032 Racer X  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:43:04am

re: #1025 MandyManners

This is another post in which the post number is not displayed. This has happened repeatedly this morning.

Posting from the spy?

1033 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:43:10am

re: #1029 Bloodnok

Oh- the opening would stay the same- it's perfect.

1034 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #1025 MandyManners

Because that's how spy posting works.

1035 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:43:43am

re: #1015 Bloodnok

Now you can say the poem at #433

re: #1013 alegrias

* * * *
And who would want to accept your offer!

my life has been so topsy turvy I hardly noticed after a bit...just one more thing...beside, the old lady down the road is toothless and she seems to like me alot!

1036 Bob Dillon  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:43:47am

re: #995 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks! Missed that.

1037 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:45:19am

re: #1035 albusteve

my life has been so topsy turvy I hardly noticed after a bit...just one more thing...beside, the old lady down the road is toothless and she seems to like me alot!

By gum, that's great.

1038 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:45:33am

re: #1012 Cato the Elder

Shug
Realwest
Thanos
Zimriel

and all others involved in the "soldiers running down kids in Iraq" story from last night:

I have made a statement at the end of that thread.
Cato...I've read your post several times...I'm not getting it...Could you explain some more of your call out? I'm serious Cato...I don't get it...Please explain some more for this boy...Hope today finds you well
Here it is:

Charles has been notified.

When and as necessary I will provide my real name and address to the authorities.

1039 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:45:36am

Gonna' go make chicken salad from last night roasted chicken. bbl

1040 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:45:49am
1041 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:46:04am

re: #1026 Killgore Trout

...and Hamas too. The modern revival of political Islam and modern Islamic terrorism really started with the Iranian revolution. The failure of that theocracy would have a lot of implications.

more like 1965 with Arafat and his 'Palis'

1042 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:46:08am

Anyone else see reports the GITMO Uighurs President Obama forked over to his friend Dr. Ewart Brown of Bermuda, are vacationing in a beachside cottage in Bermuda, going to a "mens warehouse" for new wardrobes, and are free to roam town, with a "minder" but otherwise free to look for work, get visas & leave Bermuda?

Catherine Herridge of Fox News reported on these guys from GITMO, and now she's talking to the freed Uighurs in Bermuda!

How many millions of dollars are we paying for these beach bums' Bermuda bash?

1043 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:46:12am

re: #1031 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's not really that far fetched. As I recall one of the catalysts for the Iranians storming our embassy was a rumor that the CIA was involved in a shooting incident during the Hajj in Mecca. It doesn't have to even to be true to have a significant effect.

1044 justdanny  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:46:19am

re: #982 Flyers1974

Here is a couple questions: what would Iran look like after a legitimate election? What would Egypt look like? Who would you be more worried about?

For me anyway the answer to that is obvious. Iranians arent Arab muslims. Arab muslims are center in the jihad maelstrom. Egyptian muslims arent African muslims. In Darfur for example you have Arab muslims cleansing the grounds of not Christians or Jews, but African muslims. Arab muslims want ethnic purity as well as religious purity.

1045 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:46:55am

re: #1018 Iron Fist

I disagree. I think Iran has it in them to be a global threat. Egypt, not so much. They may both be screaming nuts, religio-ideologically, but the difference is clear. Iran is already exporting terror. Egypt may be turning a blind eye to weapons smuggling into Hamasistan, but those weapons come from Iran.

That is because the actual rulers of Egypt are not religiously motivated screaming nuts, but the population is, which is a situation that is sort of inverted in Iran. The hypothetical was, which electorate, given a real democratic Republic with free and fair elections would elect a worst government and the answer was Egypt.

1046 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:47:08am

re: #1038 HoosierHoops

My comment didn't post...That's twice today...There is a code issue going on..

1047 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:47:13am

re: #1023 Scion9

I'm reminded of mounted Dragoons riding down rioters peaceful demonstrators in one of the opening scenes of Doctor Zhivago.

Corrected, per the movie

1048 Bloodnok  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:47:33am

BBIAB -It's about 150 degrees in this laundromat. I need some air.

1049 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:48:15am

re: #1041 albusteve

But that was localized. This didn't really take off world wide until after the Iranian revolution. The first suicide bombing was an Iranian against the Iraqi's. The end of the Iranian theocracy certainly won't end world wide terrorism but it might put a dent in it.

1050 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:48:19am

re: #1028 Sharmuta

"Reform" -- yeah, sure. So, what do you think that term really means? do you think that Mousavi is about "reform"?

1051 Racer X  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:49:12am
1052 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:49:22am

re: #1023 Scion9

I'm reminded of mounted Dragoons riding down rioters in one of the opening scenes of Doctor Zhivago.

* * * *
That faux Russian Moscow scene was filmed in Spain, under former Generalisimo Franco.

Franco was not amused that the actors playing workers protesting Czarist troops were singing the communist international hymn, which Stalinists sang and taught to international communists fighting in Spain during its Civil War 1936-1939.

1053 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:49:39am

re: #1039 MandyManners

Gonna' go make chicken salad from last night roasted chicken. bbl

Yum yum Yum...
Lots of fruit in Chicken Salad rocks...
Blame Mandy this morning...Yummy salad thread

1054 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:49:42am
1055 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:49:43am

From Huffpo...
Iranians on Twitter during the june clashes
A very handy little list.

1056 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:50:22am

re: #1050 J.S.

I think the Iranians want to stop living in a theocracy- regardless if the mullah selected candidates can deliver on it or not.

1057 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:50:39am

re: #1038 HoosierHoops

Hoops,

Rather than try to recap the whole thing, I'd ask you to go to the thread (from last night, on the unrest in Iran) and read it for yourself. There were many people involved. Start with Shug's first comment on the thread and go from there.

Best,

--Cato

1058 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:51:22am

re: #1046 HoosierHoops

My comment didn't post...That's twice today...There is a code issue going on..

I discovered that using a character IMMEDIATELY after a forward-arrow would delete everything after that. Were you doing anything unusual?

1059 Racer X  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:51:59am
1060 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #1056 Sharmuta

Memri has put up there second part of the Iranian "elections". Mousavi is a conservative. (did you happen to catch the clips of Mousavi's supporters? note the green?) The intellectuals and true reformers have been killed. Here's the Memri report.

1061 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #1059 Racer X
They have won the Super Bowl and Stanley Cup!

1062 Macker  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #1056 Sharmuta

I think the Iranians want to stop living in a theocracy- regardless if the mullah selected candidates can deliver on it or not.

Then they better get up off their collective asses and depose said Mullahs. Otherwise, someone else may do it for them, and take them along for the ride.

1063 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:53:23am
1064 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:53:43am

Crazy Pam on Iran...

I feel for those terrified souls marching through Tehran blindly acting out in hope that it might effect any change. An exercise in futility. If they value their lives, they will flee the country.
...
Crowds are protesting at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's alleged 'rigged' victory. The allegations of fixed elections come after polls showed that half of the electorate wanted Ahmadinejad. But if that is so, if half of the electorate wanted this bloodthirsty jihadi annihilationist, then what are we talking about?
...
Bottom line, this is a non story. It's smoke and mirrors. The Mullahs are running the mahdi madhouse, and they have their world agenda. This is nonsense.
...
It doesn't matter who won. It's an annihilationist state.
1065 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:54:59am

re: #1064 Killgore Trout

That's what I've been saying, right there:

But if that is so, if half of the electorate wanted this bloodthirsty jihadi annihilationist, then what are we talking about?

They. Don't. Care.

1066 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:55:00am

re: #1058 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I discovered that using a character IMMEDIATELY after a forward-arrow would delete everything after that. Were you doing anything unusual?


Other than swimming laps in the pool this morning...being on vacation..drinking beer at 6am in the morning...And heading to the fishing Cabin in the morning?
Nope nothing unusual here :)
Everything seems pretty normal...

1067 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:55:02am

re: #1056 Sharmuta

I think the Iranians want to stop living in a theocracy- regardless if the mullah selected candidates can deliver on it or not.

* * * *
Yes, Young Iranians think their mullahs are corrupt pigs with fingers in every pie, to use infidel American words.

1068 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:55:28am
1069 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:55:52am

re: #1065 Sharmuta

It also seems that she's worried that she might lose an enemy.

1070 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:56:55am

re: #1067 alegrias
Except the Iranians don't have the 2nd Amend. What they do have is the military and the IRG, who are quite happy with the mad mullahs.

1071 Macker  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:57:31am

re: alegrias

* * * *
Yes, Young Iranians think their mullahs are corrupt pigs with fingers dicks in every pie asshole, to use infidel American words.

There, fixed that for ya!

1072 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:58:13am

re: #1068 taxfreekiller

realwest
#718

not until Jessie got a shot at the sniper and we bushwacked hard ass 3/4 mile upslope to where the tree was, up until then, she got one kia and 4 upper body hits, she was honored as a skilled warrior and we went back to work putting out sensors,

like that or you end up with a messed up head, IMO.

You here? I got a story for you

1073 Rancher  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:58:19am

re: #1050 J.S.

"Reform" -- yeah, sure. So, what do you think that term really means? do you think that Mousavi is about "reform"?

Of course, just not the reforms we in the West would prefer. He advocated lessening the harassment by the religious police, opening up more rights for women, saner economic policies, and better relations with the west, especially the E.U. He would of continued support for terrorism and meddling in the M.E. through Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, Southern Iraq (Sadr) etc. as well as continuing building the bomb. Given a candidate that they could openly support many Iranians would not even support those policies, with the exception of the bomb. Her point was that elections in Egypt would probably result in a Muslim Brotherhood government.

1074 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:58:50am

re: #1050 J.S.

"Reform" -- yeah, sure. So, what do you think that term really means? do you think that Mousavi is about "reform"?

The Mullahs selected Mousavi to run. It's hard to say what Iran would select given an actual primary process to select their own candidates I suppose, but there isn't any concrete reason to believe they would select the guys that the Ayatollah is rubber stamping.

1075 Racer X  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:58:52am
1076 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 9:59:54am

re: #1064 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam on Iran...

That is the rant of a self-righteous asshole

/possibly ignorant, too, ... just to be generous

1077 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:00:18am

Hey y'all - just back from doing "chores" what are we all talking about?
If Pittsburg is the 29th best city in the World to live in, I'd sure hate to see what the criteria are for that ranking!

1078 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:00:30am

re: #1076 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That is the rant of a self-righteous asshole

/possibly ignorant, too, ... just to be generous

Not to mention almost certainly drunk.

1079 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:01:01am

re: #1076 pre-Boomer Marine brat
"Pam, you ignorant slut"!

1080 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:01:09am

re: #1077 realwest
Not to mention that if it's true, the the World is in deep-doo doo!

1081 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:01:40am

re: #1077 realwest

Hey y'all - just back from doing "chores" what are we all talking about?
If Pittsburg is the 29th best city in the World to live in, I'd sure hate to see what the criteria are for that ranking!

Real, see my #1012. It was originally a reply addressed to you on the other thread.

1082 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:01:57am

re: #1066 HoosierHoops

Other than swimming laps in the pool this morning...being on vacation..drinking beer at 6am in the morning...And heading to the fishing Cabin in the morning?
Nope nothing unusual here :)
Everything seems pretty normal...

I MEAN IN THE TEXT IN YOUR COMMENT WHICH DIDN'T POST !

/not ranting ... :D ... just jealous

1083 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:02:06am

re: #1080 realwest

Not to mention that if it's true, the the World is in deep-doo doo!

What's kick'n Chick'n?

1084 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:02:50am

So how do the Iranians who seem to have finally gagged on their gov't sustain their protest?

Unless they have some INTERNAL support inside said gov't (military?), won't this protest be suppressed as others have been?

1085 J.S.  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:03:56am

re: #1073 Rancher

Mousavi, imo, would have been the perfect "cover" -- the outward appeal in the West to the belief that Mousavi's "a reformer!" when, in any meaningful sense, he wouldn't be...(ie, he'd support getting the bomb, support the Hezbollah/HAMAS, etc., as you note.) The question of staging elections in Egypt -- well, of course, that would (in all probability) bring in a Muslim Brotherhood government. There was a Gallup poll conducted last year (2008), in Egypt, Iran and Turkey -- the conclusion from Gallup was that, yes, indeed, Egypt would turn, most likely, radical (if given open/free elections).

1086 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:04:44am

re: #1080 realwest

Not to mention that if it's true, the the World is in deep-doo doo!

I like that town...good people, good food, scenic along the rivers, lots to do

1087 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:06:01am

re: #1081 Cato the Elder
Well Cato y'all go ahead and do what you want to do.

1088 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:07:09am

re: #1083 HoosierHoops
Ya know, I can see your vacation cabin bound smile right through my monitor!
Have FUN y'all!

1089 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:07:10am

re: #1087 realwest

Well Cato y'all go ahead and do what you want to do.

Not at all what I want, Real. What I feel honor-bound to do as a citizen.

1090 Scion9  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:07:55am

re: #1063 Iron Fist

In the Sudan the Arab Mohammedans pretty much finished off the African Christians and African animists before they started in on the African Mohammedans. They have priorities, and one of those is to crush the kafir first.

We should keep that in mind when we are dealing with them.

Khartoum is said to be one of the safest Muslim cities for infidels in the entire region. The Darfuri were Muslim of an animist-syncretic variety, and were more into their tribal ties than the Sudanese governments preferred version of Islam.

The Sudanese government are predominantly black Africans just like the Darfuri though. The Darfuri-style syncretic Islam that takes into acount local customs rather than strict literalism isn't uncommon even among Arabs, but I think because the Sudanese aren't Arab they are scrutinized more by their Arab allies and held to a 'higher' standard in regards to being 'good' Muslims, hence Darfuri heretics must go while they would be tolerated in pretty much any Arab muslim country.

You see a similar kind of inter-Muslim ethnic strife between South Asians, Persians and Arabs, and for that matter between Egyptian Arabs and Arabian Arabs.

1091 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:08:16am

re: #1082 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I MEAN IN THE TEXT IN YOUR COMMENT WHICH DIDN'T POST !

/not ranting ... :D ... just jealous

Hey dude! need more dog pics!
I am blessed to spend one week a month at our Cabin on the lake till Oct.
I'm dragging some Lizards up there this year...You should pray for their souls.

1092 realwest  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:08:44am

re: #1086 albusteve
Guess what, so do I! But I'm talking about the best cities IN THE WORLD and although I do like Pittsburg a lot, I'm not sure but that I couldn't pick out some cities right here in the USA that I wouldn't rate higher.

1093 alegrias  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:12:04am

re: #1070 pingjockey

Except the Iranians don't have the 2nd Amend. What they do have is the military and the IRG, who are quite happy with the mad mullahs.

* * * *
C'mon--young Iranians have TWITTER & FACEBOOK, according to leftists, they can CHANGE THE WORLD, re-arrange the World, etc.

All you need is TWITTER & FACEBOOK & Ipod...
(It worked so well at Tien An Men 20 years ago.)

When will they ever learn,
when will leftists ever learn.

1094 albusteve  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:12:38am

re: #1092 realwest

Guess what, so do I! But I'm talking about the best cities IN THE WORLD and although I do like Pittsburg a lot, I'm not sure but that I couldn't pick out some cities right here in the USA that I wouldn't rate higher.

agreed...maybe #1 for hoagies is what they meant

1095 avanti  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:17:39am

re: #1000 alegrias

* * * *
Avanti, Et tu Brutus? You're defending Saddam's enablers who opposed the UN's own rules! You're so fair & balanced...like Solomon the wise. NOT

Nope, just posting a informational link. Fiat as involved in a few million of the billions in International bribes and many were US corporations too. Lots of companies had dirty hands. Some bribes went on post Saddam too, shirty deal.

1096 quickjustice  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:18:36am

re: #821 Killgore Trout

"The situation in Iran could potentially change the world." Do you mean the rigged election? Just because Sullivan and the lefty blogosphere is panting and drooling over this one doesn't mean a democratic revolution. Lenin just stole the election from Trotsky? So what?

With Obama in the White House, it's DEFINITELY not gonna happen. He'd rather make a deal with the mullahs that sells out the kids, and he will.

1097 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:20:44am

re: #1091 HoosierHoops

Hey dude! need more dog pics!
I am blessed to spend one week a month at our Cabin on the lake till Oct.
I'm dragging some Lizards up there this year...You should pray for their souls.

IF I'M NOT INVITED YOU SHOULD PRAY FOR YOUR ...
*slapping hand over mouth*

/:D ... have a great time!

1098 avanti  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 10:21:26am

re: #1001 Iron Fist

Link is broken. Anyway, they paid it back after they were caught? That'smighty nice of them.

Please. Sniff what you are going to post before you post it.

Never did I defend them, just pointing out they were found gulity of the charge you brought up and were fined. A small correction from them still being in court.

1099 Flyers1974  Sun, Jun 14, 2009 11:11:44am

re: #1056 Sharmuta

I think the Iranians want to stop living in a theocracy- regardless if the mullah selected candidates can deliver on it or not.

I think many people are thinking of the Iran situation in terms of which US president or party deserves the credit and/or blame. And this is difficult in a situation where we don't know if anything significant will and happen and if it does, whether that happening will be good or bad. Thomas Friedman can be a bit pretentious at times, and he appears to me to create witty story headlines first, and a story to match second, but the man has a lot of knowledge of Iran. He has been stating for years that Iran is the most likely candidate to undergo some sort of serious change (and likely for the better) based in large part on the Iranian youths' intense dislike of the mullahs.


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