The Revolution Will Be Digitized

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The amazing thing about all the footage we’re seeing from Iran is that, in nearly every photo and every video clip, you can see people recording the scene with digital cameras and cell phones and camcorders. And then a lot of those people connect to the Internet and use web services like YouTube and Flickr and Brightcove to make their images and recordings available to the whole world, almost instantly.

When the regime’s thugs open fire on a crowd, the video hits the net within minutes. It’s more difficult for despots to do their dirty work when the world is watching.

The revolution will be digitized.

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561 comments
1 PaxAmericana  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:43:32pm

You can't hide this crap anymore. Seeing segregation on television in the 50s helped to spur the Civil Rights movement. We could see similar progress in Iran. At least, I hope we do.

2 brookly red  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:43:51pm

1's vs 0's ?

3 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:43:51pm

I'd like to show the mullahs the middle digits of each of my hands ... they are pointing north.

4 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:44:06pm

Amazing isn't it? With all this data, personal point of views, it's almost like being there.

5 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:44:13pm

Folks on twitter saying the msm is dead and has been replaced with modern, individualized media.

6 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:45:24pm

on Hypotheticals:

Assuming that the Iranian Regime falls, House Saud and Syria will get VERY nervious

And Lefty heads will implode the world over

7 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:45:28pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Wouldn't go that far, yet. But its nice to have other sources without any filters.

8 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:45:35pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Folks on twitter saying the msm is dead and has been replaced with modern, individualized media.

The medium is the message, as McLuhan said, neh?

9 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:45:43pm

Casualties

Youtube Video
10 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:45:45pm

Hurray for geeks! The microchip shall set you free...to be shackled to your chair in front of your computer!

11 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:45:57pm

re: #2 brookly red

1's vs 0's ?

No, silly, many fingers.

12 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:10pm

re: #7 coquimbojoe

I'm just reporting what I've been reading.

13 neomexicon  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:12pm

Now if only this was the case during tiananmen square.

14 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:43pm

That's why the internet is the new paradigm shift, it's the pamphleteering of the French Revolution updated, it's the invention of radio a hundred fold, it's the invention of the TV a thousand fold.

And like those mediums, governments and power that be will try to suppress it, control it, remove it or demean it.

Vivent longtemps l'Internet.

15 brucee  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:43pm

Current top post balatarin.com (it's like Iranian Digg.com) is about Fire Department in west of Tehran saying from their speakers* that they are with the people. Regime establishments falling one by one. Hopefully police is next.


*Is it called speaker? or amp or sth? not sure about translation.

16 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:46:52pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

It does warm my heart a little to hear it.

(Hiya, Shar!)

17 ArmyWife  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:02pm

We are witnessing history.

18 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:06pm

I wonder if things might have been different at Tianenmen Square if Twitter had been around back then.

19 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:10pm

Digital photography will and has changed the world.

20 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:17pm

re: #6 Jewels (AKA Julian)

on Hypotheticals:

Assuming that the Iranian Regime falls, House Saud and Syria will get VERY nervious

And Lefty heads will implode the world over


Not really the lefties are the biggest supporters of the protesters in Iran. The right seems a little uninterested.

21 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:18pm

No more MSM filters. Cool!

22 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:19pm

Contemporaneous evidence. The person who figures out how to integrate it into a reliable, real-time, online news (not opinion) service will make a fortune.

23 tjexcite  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:31pm

Twitter Revolution

24 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:47:32pm

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

That's why the internet is the new paradigm shift, it's the pamphleteering of the French Revolution updated, it's the invention of radio a hundred fold, it's the invention of the TV a thousand fold.

And like those mediums, governments and power that be will try to suppress it, control it, remove it or demean it.

Vivent longtemps l'Internet.

..and more addicting. I can't pull myself away...

25 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:48:10pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

You wouldn't know it from the Nobs on Capitol Hill or The White house

26 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:48:21pm

I see a way out of nuclear conflict here, if played right. Still waiting on Obamas video, ULing sloooowwww.....

27 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:48:32pm

re: #15 brucee

Current top post balatarin.com (it's like Iranian Digg.com) is about Fire Department in west of Tehran saying from their speakers* that they are with the people. Regime establishments falling one by one. Hopefully police is next.

*Is it called speaker? or amp or sth? not sure about translation.

As much as I would like to see departments of the regime fall, which ones are falling. Your comment indicates more than one, or many. What are you talking about?

28 kynna  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:48:40pm

What's great is that once the video hits the net, it's there. People who understand the nature of the thugocracy are snapping up images faster than they could possibly be buried. That's good for everybody.

29 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:48:53pm

re: #17 ArmyWife

We are witnessing history.

And, to some extent, participating in it.

30 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:49:22pm

re: #15 brucee

Current top post balatarin.com (it's like Iranian Digg.com) is about Fire Department in west of Tehran saying from their speakers* that they are with the people. Regime establishments falling one by one. Hopefully police is next.

*Is it called speaker? or amp or sth? not sure about translation.

If this is true, it could be guns vs. Fire hoses and water cannon. The guns still win, but when the common Iranian sees his countrymen standing up... I'd like to think that's a gamechanger.

31 kynna  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:49:31pm

re: #24 unrealizedviewpoint

..and more addicting. I can't pull myself away...

Seriously. I just meant to check in and see what was going on ... an hour ago. o_O

32 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:49:42pm

Technology can be controlled by sophisticated governments, however. The Chinese are the best example at the moment. Years ago, I met a lady who had run cyber-warfare for the U.S. Army in Serbia. She said the Serb hackers were very effective at disrupting our cyber operations.

33 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:49:49pm

re: #18 Last Mohican

I wonder if things might have been different at Tianenmen Square if Twitter had been around back then.

I don't think so. The Chinese don't give a shit about how the world views them. They had the ability to crush a popular uprising and did it. The mullahs face the problem this week about if they are capable or willing to do what it takes. They don't really care about the world's opinion of them either.

34 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:49:57pm

alex jones is a . misguided & ignorant motherfucker what has america become. we're all doomed it seems. i blame it all on the public education junta

35 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:50:09pm

I forsee governments segregating networks in the future so they can truly 'pull the plug'. They cannot pull it because they run on the same one. I'm not a network engineer, I just know enough to be dangerous.

36 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:50:13pm

re: #16 coquimbojoe

Hi, Joe. :)

37 notutopia  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:50:49pm

Instantaneous world critiques on history in the making...
Kudos technology.

38 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:51:18pm

re: #34 enormodome

Dude.....

39 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:51:37pm

re: #34 enormodome

alex jones is a . misguided & ignorant motherfucker what has america become. we're all doomed it seems. i blame it all on the public education junta

Um, what?

40 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:51:38pm

re: BigPapa

dude?

41 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:51:39pm

re: #32 quickjustice

Technology can be controlled by sophisticated governments, however. The Chinese are the best example at the moment. Years ago, I met a lady who had run cyber-warfare for the U.S. Army in Serbia. She said the Serb hackers were very effective at disrupting our cyber operations.

And the folks on twitter are fighting back- they're changing their locations to show they're in Iran, and they're promoting DNS attacks on Iranian propaganda sites.

42 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:03pm

re: #34 enormodome

alex jones is a . misguided & ignorant motherfucker what has america become. we're all doomed it seems. i blame it all on the public education junta

So, where do you teach? I teach in NJ ...

43 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:10pm

When the NYC public school no longer teach Shakespeare, there will be no audience for Shakespeare in NYC except for the elites. That's a sad fate for the Bard.

44 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:14pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I sense that Iran is not as technically savvy, but after this they'll learn.

45 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:21pm

re: #38 BigPapa

Dude.....

BP, that's what I was going to say!

Our boy is seriously disjointed tonight, methinks.

46 American Sabra  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:24pm

It's a world, world, world, world mad.

If no one posted it. Slideshow - Riots in Tehran.

47 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:45pm

re: Gang of One

i listen to music, the only thing that matters

48 pingjockey  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:52:57pm

BBL

49 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:53:20pm

Sadly, I do not think this will turn out well for the revolutionaries. We may well see it all, blow by sickening blow, on digital "news" but this will not stop Dinnerjacket from stamping on these people. He is shortarsed murderous religious zealot, the very worst kind to have in power.

50 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:53:24pm

re: #47 enormodome

i listen to music, the only thing that matters

I play the bass -- but there is life outside of Rotosound and Hartke.

51 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:14pm

This week's "To Do" list for iranian freedom fighters:

1. String khamenei up from a contruction cane in downtown Tehran.
2. Do the same with dinnerjacket

52 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:25pm

I'm here to stalk Occasional Reader. Have you seen him?

53 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:29pm

David Brin was hip to the idea that The revolution will be digitized...

Tru view goggles and all that...

54 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:38pm

re: Gang of One

i play drums. pathetically.

55 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:54:56pm

Damn. Twitter had planned to go down for maintenance tonight, staying up to keep tweeting the Iran situation.

Or how about this one: RT from Iran Everyone change your setting to Iranian and Tehran time (GMT+3:30) Harder for Iran Gov to track.

Cover us while we keep you informed. Holy shit.

56 Hawkins  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:55:11pm

It strikes me that maybe some people may be missing Mr. Johnson's cultural reference, which is quite apt.

The revolution will be digitized.

...is a riff on Gil Scot Heron's The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

A short sample:

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

57 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:55:17pm

re: #54 enormodome

i play drums. pathetically.

And what the fuck does that have to do with the subject?

58 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:55:28pm

re: #54 enormodome

i play drums. pathetically.

Practice.

59 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:55:53pm

re: #49 A Kiwi Infidel

He's going to need the military for that. The police are well trained but there aren't enough of them. His militia is a bunch of poorly trained but trigger happy fat guys. There's a couple hundred imported Hezbollah freaks but that's not enough. Which was will the military go is the big question.

60 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:13pm

re: #49 A Kiwi Infidel

Sadly, I do not think this will turn out well for the revolutionaries. We may well see it all, blow by sickening blow, on digital "news" but this will not stop Dinnerjacket from stamping on these people. He is shortarsed murderous religious zealot, the very worst kind to have in power.

Then it's best to flush him out for the world to see. And make it harder for those who would support him to deny that he is a murderous thug.
Are you listening Columbia University?

61 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:18pm

re: #56 Hawkins

Now for the same people, you'll have to explain who Spiro Agnew was.

62 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:22pm

re: #52 jaunte

I'm here to stalk Occasional Reader. Have you seen him?

Dyin' ain't much of a livin', son.

/hand drifts to gun belt

63 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:23pm

A tweet from "razzmichi" to "iran09"

@iran09 It's better that we American people make a lot of noise & that Obama doesn't. Don't want to give AN any chance 2 say US govt meddled
64 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:26pm

re: #52 jaunte

I'm here to stalk Occasional Reader. Have you seen him?

He's over there, abusing hatchlings.

65 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:32pm

re: #49 A Kiwi Infidel

No matter who wins, the damage to the Iranian regime already has been done. They no longer can claim unity at home in trying to project their power abroad. All their illusions have been exposed as fraud. Murdering their own people? Do they think that this makes them role models for their countrymen or the world?

66 BignJames  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:34pm

Anything on the cable news shows about all this? I'm at work.

67 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:34pm

re: #57 Walter L. Newton

And what the fuck does that have to do with the subject?

Walt, he was responding to my #50.

68 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:43pm

re: #52 jaunte

I'm here to stalk Occasional Reader. Have you seen him?

Yup, over there, bro ⇒

69 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:56:49pm

More: When RTing Iranian users, omit usernames-just say "RT from Iran". Iran gov. is watching. Spread the word.

70 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:02pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

Kinda hard to shoot sumthin' y'caint see...

71 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:15pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

Dyin' ain't much of a livin', son.

/hand drifts to gun belt

Pun 'im down...........
:)

72 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:28pm

no one can ever be stewart copleland.

end of story

73 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:30pm

re: #64 OldLineTexan

He's over there, abusing hatchlings.

Hey! I'm supposed to be regurgitating my food into their mouths.

Sheesh.

74 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:30pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

Dyin' ain't much of a livin', son.

/hand drifts to gun belt

Easy Josey. jaunte has whiskey... and beer....

75 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:44pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

And it's not just Tehran- this seems to be happening in many of Iran's major cities. I've posted videos from Shiraz and Tabriz (sp?). The mullahs will have to spread their forces around.

76 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:57:48pm

Do these people--and the rest of us around the world--have the means to over-ride our governments' capabilties to shut down the air-waves?

On a less technical level, I hope FCBBHO is paying attention to the fact that trying to pass any kind of Fairness Doctrine will fail. We're waking up to the power of government to control the Internet and we won't let it happen here.

77 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:58:00pm

re: #60 LGoPs


Are you listening Columbia University?

lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal........whasthat?

78 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:58:16pm

alright robots. it;s been fun. peace out.

79 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:58:25pm

I sense a drummer meltdown.... (getting popcorn, whiskey, and beer)

80 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:58:27pm

re: #72 enormodome

no one can ever be stewart copleland.

end of story

Put down the spray can of Lemon Pledge, and step away from the keyboard.

81 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:58:38pm

re: #72 enormodome

no one can ever be stewart copleland.

end of story

Except Stewart Copeland. I remember the day when I realized I'm not Chris Squire.

82 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:58:44pm

How come nobody stalks me?

83 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:01pm

re: Occasional Reader

o i see some lurks the rr forum

84 ryannon  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:10pm

For those with the basic tech savvy to do it, here's a link on how to create new proxies for the people in Iran who are having their electronic media connections monitored or shut down:

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

If you don't know how to do it, pass it on to friends or forums who do...

85 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:14pm

The question now is, will the Iranian army and police turn their guns of their fellow citizens or aim them at the truly repressive targets? tweet, tweet..

86 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:32pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

Celery stalks you.......
:)

87 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:35pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

You think I'm not?

88 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:40pm

re: #73 Occasional Reader

Hey! I'm supposed to be regurgitating my food into their mouths.

Sheesh.

Just because that's your current mission assigned by Lizard HQ doesn't mean we want to watch!

89 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:45pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

It's... well... your breath. Sorry. But there it is.

90 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 6:59:47pm

reposted from the last thread.....

...and for fuck's sake be nice to the hatchlings. If you guys pile on and downding every hatchling who makes a perfectly reasonable comment they're going to leave.
91 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:03pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

Okay, I'll stalk you. Happy now?

92 bellamags  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:05pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

I would stalk you, but you're smarter so it wouldn't work too well. :D

93 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:14pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

heh heh heh heh heh

94 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:23pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

I'd love to help but I'm too busy stalking Ron Paul.

95 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:26pm

re: #79 BigPapa

I sense a drummer meltdown.... (getting popcorn, whiskey, and beer)

Maybe, but, if OldLineTexan is right, we're not gonna have a meltdown, so much as a trip to 7-Eleven to pick up a big bag of chips and an Entenmann's cake. Maybe a roll of raw cookie dough.

96 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:27pm

done for tonight. mybitch is waiting.

97 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:34pm

re: #91 Gang of One

Okay, I'll stalk you. Happy now?

YES. Finally.
I've been noticed.
Thank you, yes I'm verra verra happy.

98 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:40pm

re: #65 quickjustice

No matter who wins, the damage to the Iranian regime already has been done. They no longer can claim unity at home in trying to project their power abroad. All their illusions have been exposed as fraud. Murdering their own people? Do they think that this makes them role models for their countrymen or the world?


Which is why, with "the bomb" he just might be insane enough to use it to try and "bring about the return of the 12 imam"

He is that mad, and happy to sacrifice his country's people to pursue this nightmare.

99 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:00:46pm

And for some humor:

If Iranian poll workers are so fast hand-counting ballots, we should send them to Minnesota

[Link: twitter.com...]

100 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:00pm

Eh?

101 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:01pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

I'd love to help but I'm too busy stalking Ron Paul.

and those downdingers.

102 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:01pm

re: #83 enormodome

o i see some lurks the rr forum

OR, he didn't listen about the Lemon Pledge.

103 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:22pm

re: #52 jaunte

I'm here to stalk Occasional Reader. Have you seen him?

Quit stalking my boogey-man!

104 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:28pm
The revolution will be digitized.

This would be the flip side of "Big Brother is watching"?

105 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:30pm

re: #93 OldLineTexan

heh heh heh heh heh

Ma cher . . .

106 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:35pm

re: #95 Last Mohican

Maybe, but, if OldLineTexan is right, we're not gonna have a meltdown, so much as a trip to 7-Eleven to pick up a big bag of chips and an Entenmann's cake. Maybe a roll of raw cookie dough.

I'm good to drive, srsly.

107 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:35pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

...and for fuck's sake be nice to the hatchlings. If you guys pile on and downding every hatchling who makes a perfectly reasonable comment they're going to leave.

LOL. My third or fourth post here I agreed with Charles and wasn't pretty: something about nose/butt or other....

108 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:43pm

re: #100 Charles

Eh?

Trust me Charles. You have enough stalkers...

109 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:44pm

To all the 101st Keyboarders, armchair generals, circle-jerking second-guessers and semi-professional ODSers here tonight who think they know what I think and were busily shoving (mostly illiterate) words in my mouth on the last thread, here is what I actually think.

Reposted, with edits, from an earlier thread.

Do not get me wrong: I hope beyond hope that this may turn into a kind of avalanche revolution. That if the regular army is called in they will refuse to shoot at kids and women and brothers and sisters. That someone has a strategy and tactic beyond tweeting and offering themselves as targets for the Basij. That a radio or teevee station or two get turned. That things can be sabotaged. That a few many mullahs get stripped and run naked through the streets of Qom. That truth and justice may prevail.

All of these things are now in the hands of the Iranians themselves. As JCM noted independently in a comment above. If you want to watch the opposition crumble, run to the Senate floor, the State Department podium, the White House lawn, and scream at the top of your lungs that the would-be revolutionaries (at this point, sadly, they're still just protesters) are our guys and we support them with our ever-effective empty platitudes and sternly worded memos. Watch, then, in horror as people who might support the uprising turn on the protesters as agents of the West. Watch the army choose sides in favor of a government they see as threatened from outside. Watch the mullahs go from scared beasts to bared teeth and authorize the use of any and all deadly force.

Then pat yourselves on the back for having made our leaders righteously spout off, writing checks with their mouths that their asses can't cash.

Or. Wait and see if the momentum can sustain itself, and choose your moment for jumping in when it may stand a chance of doing any good at all.

For tweeters, DOS hackers working against Iran's government web, people with links into Iran, that time has come. For a sitting president of the country against which the Iranians have been conditioned to shout "marg bar Amrika", not yet.

Now back to your regularly scheduled, mouth-foaming, impotent, infinite hatred of Obama. Sorry for the interruption.

110 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:50pm

re: #56 Hawkins

It strikes me that maybe some people may be missing Mr. Johnson's cultural reference, which is quite apt.

Well, Newbie, many here DO get it.

Welcome, BTW!

111 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:01:56pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

You single?

/ stalks if she's single ;)

112 notutopia  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:28pm

re: #96 enormodome

done for tonight. mybitch is waiting.

I hope she's an old dog.
:0

113 saberry0530  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:29pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

if it makes you feel better i'll stalk ya. Say next Wednesday at 9:00?

114 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:35pm

LOUD NOISES!

/Well this thread is already going downhill

115 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:40pm

re: #61 jaunte

Now for the same people, you'll have to explain who Spiro Agnew was.

Didn't he own some kinda' Greeek restaurant in D.C.?

116 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:52pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Oh, great, you're back.

117 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:02:52pm

re: #96 enormodome

done for tonight. mybitch is waiting.

He better hope mybitch is not watching and discovering that he referred to her as "mybitch".

118 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:01pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

gaze

119 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:04pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

Sorry. My stalks are down about 40%.

120 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:08pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

121 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:12pm

The key question is whether the Iranian military is prepared to open fire on their own kids. For the mullahs, that's a lose-lose proposition.

122 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:13pm

I don't stalk Reine because her arms are not as toned as the first lady's. :p

123 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:22pm

re: #97 reine.de.tout

YES. Finally.
I've been noticed.
Thank you, yes I'm verra verra happy.

So, do I, like, buy binoculars, and keep copious notes on your daily activities? Do I plaster my bedroom mirror with photos I've secretly taken of you?

124 enormodome  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:33pm

the newworldorderis following me

125 Gus  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:33pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Yep, who's stalking who I ask.

126 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:35pm

re: #103 FurryOldGuyJeans

Quit stalking my boogey-man!

Who's Stalking Now.

127 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:48pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Let's see... arrogant, condescending, strawman arguments... yep, it's Cato alright.

128 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:03:48pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Piss off, you condescending prick.

And that is all I'm gonna say on the subject.

129 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:04:00pm

re: #119 Spare O'Lake

Sorry. My stalks are down about 40%.

two words...
beans

130 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:04:10pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

131 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:04:14pm

I really hope the Israelis have a plan to use these uncertain times in iran as a cover for some sort of "plausibly deniable" mischief vis-a-vis iran's nuclear facilities. Not an overt military attack, of course. But some sort of precisely targeted sabotage. And I still feel that some sort of explosion at iran's only oil refinery would go a long way towards damaging the mullahs. And the Israelis could probably use their operatives in such a way that it looks like an entirely homegrown iranian action.

132 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:04:23pm

re: #111 FurryOldGuyJeans

You single?

/ stalks if she's single ;)

re: #113 saberry0530

if it makes you feel better i'll stalk ya. Say next Wednesday at 9:00?

Naw, sorry guys - the Roi would not like that. But merci, just the same.

133 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:04:34pm

re: #121 quickjustice

The was a rumor going around on twitter that there have been some arrests of officers talking about which side to take. It could go either way.

134 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:05:03pm

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

Who's Stalking Now.

jaunte is stalking Occasional Reader, who's my boogey-man. ;)

135 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:05:10pm

I'm pretty sure that suggesting some improvements to a speech doesn't represent 'mouth-foaming, impotent, infinite hatred of Obama.'

136 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:05:35pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Now back to your regularly scheduled, mouth-foaming, impotent, infinite hatred of Obama. Sorry for the interruption.


Dammit. I had a perfect comment meant for # 109 full of bile and vitriol and you had to go and take that spot. Dammit again.

137 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:05:54pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

Stalking is an art, not a science. Only a few lizards fall into that exalted category. I, alas, am not one of them.

But Mandy?

138 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:05:55pm

re: #123 Gang of One

So, do I, like, buy binoculars, and keep copious notes on your daily activities? Do I plaster my bedroom mirror with photos I've secretly taken of you?

You follow me around and correct spelling and grammar errors. Then I call you pretentious. Then you correct my spelling of "pretentious". Then somebody says "neener" and we call it a day.

139 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:05:56pm

re: #129 albusteve

two words...
beans

Need lots of Beano then.

140 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:08pm

re: #127 Occasional Reader

Let's see... arrogant, condescending, strawman arguments... yep, it's Cato alright.

You gotta admit, although Cato disappeared for a while to build that straw man, he sure beat the sh*t out of it when he came back.

141 bellamags  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:16pm

re: #118 albusteve

gaze

like in "The Dark Crystal" when the Skekses were sucking the life essence out of the Gelfling.

142 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:27pm

re: #124 enormodome

Reading your comments has quickly become a waste of my time. Why are you posting nonsense? Don't bother answering me- I will only scroll past you because you're wasting time. Perhaps you'd be happier at a site that enjoys wasting time- like Ace of Spades.

143 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:29pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

...If you want to watch the opposition crumble, run to
the Senate floor...

...he kept repeating the cry: "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam." (Moreover, I advise that Carthage must be destroyed.) He was known for saying this at the conclusion of each of his speeches, no matter what he had previously been talking about.

Your namesake would have been proud.
/

144 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:37pm

The idea of 'new' media being a game-changer for dictatorial governments isn't exactly new. I remember a Time magazine article from the '80's about how VHS camcorders and VCR's were bad news for regimes like this since the regime couldn't truly control the information flow anymore. The article cited a example of indigenous tribes in the Brazilian rain forest filming their meetings with government officials so they could hold the government to any promises it made. The difference this time is the SPEED that this can now take place. Minutes/hours instead of days and weeks.

145 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:06:42pm

re: #124 enormodome

the newworldorderis following me

Well, quick, ask them to install Grammar-check on your computer.

146 BryanS  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:07:13pm

re: #131 _RememberTonyC

I really hope the Israelis have a plan to use these uncertain times in iran as a cover for some sort of "plausibly deniable" mischief vis-a-vis iran's nuclear facilities. Not an overt military attack, of course. But some sort of precisely targeted sabotage. And I still feel that some sort of explosion at iran's only oil refinery would go a long way towards damaging the mullahs. And the Israelis could probably use their operatives in such a way that it looks like an entirely homegrown iranian action.


Only if/when it looks like Dinner Jacket has won.

147 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:07:23pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

I'll just repost ArmyWife's post to you. It's in the Top 10.

Firstly, I'm not President for a reason. Secondly, I'm married to a 1SG, you know, the one that does the work. Thirdly, if my husband is called upon for something such as this, I will proudly kiss him goodbye, just as I did in the first Iraq conflict, in Afghanistan a few times, and 3 times in the current Iraqi conflict. It isn't nameless, faceless troops I pretend to send; it is the father of my children and the love of my life.

PS apologies to my COL father and Granddaddy for the slight on officers.

148 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:07:42pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

149 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:07:51pm

re: #138 reine.de.tout

You follow me around and correct spelling and grammar errors. Then I call you pretentious. Then you correct my spelling of "pretentious". Then somebody says "neener" and we call it a day.

And you are actually willing to pay me for this?

150 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:00pm

re: #124 enormodome

the newworldorderis following me


Our personalised auto plates are limited to 6 character/numbers.

I am thinking of getting a new plate "THE GNU" prefixed with "beware" suffixed with "whirled odour".

A nice colour to match. Should get a few comments.

151 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:15pm

Guardian says 12 reported dead

152 BignJames  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:17pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder


Now back to your regularly scheduled, mouth-foaming, impotent, infinite hatred of Obama. Sorry for the interruption.

If you're finished.......

153 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:22pm

the essence of stalking is silence the furtive shadowed glimpse even too much too solid too real no the silent footfall the tread unheard the breath unbreathed the absolute chilling silence not even known in deep space where supernovas scream death agonies across immortals lifetimes the prey is completely aware of unawareness the lack of noise is proof of the stalker it is the thought of the sudden hand that kills the hand itself is clean

154 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:38pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Nice double down on a Q-2.

155 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:40pm

is it possible to talk an entire thread and everyone on it?...."repost from last thread" is creepy....jus sayin

156 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:08:44pm

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

And the Roman general who finally leveled Carthage sent the message to Rome: Cartago delenda est!

157 swamprat  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:02pm

Ahmadinajad watching the news;

"Who would have thought we had so many jews in Iran?"

158 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:19pm

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

...he kept repeating the cry: "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam." (Moreover, I advise that Carthage must be destroyed.) He was known for saying this at the conclusion of each of his speeches, no matter what he had previously been talking about.

Your namesake would have been proud.
/

Oh, for fuck's sake. You've made my toes curl, Walter!

159 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:21pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Folks on twitter saying the msm is dead and has been replaced with modern, individualized media.

The really scary part? you think the MSM is biased? Wait until 40 million people with their own biases put stuff out there as "news". I can post just about anything on the net:

Racer X can fly! As a demonstration I will fly around the room.

*Racer X flies around the room*

Now just because I post it does not make it true.

160 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:21pm

From Twitter: RT from Iran CONFIRMING Lebanese forces in shahrak-gharb attacking iranian ppl EVERYWHERE!

161 Kolberman  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:22pm

re: #131 _RememberTonyC

I really hope the Israelis have a plan to use these uncertain times in iran as a cover for some sort of "plausibly deniable" mischief vis-a-vis iran's nuclear facilities. Not an overt military attack, of course. But some sort of precisely targeted sabotage. And I still feel that some sort of explosion at iran's only oil refinery would go a long way towards damaging the mullahs. And the Israelis could probably use their operatives in such a way that it looks like an entirely homegrown iranian action.

Or maybe they can use the Zionist robot snake

162 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:42pm

re: #148 MandyManners

Mandy, do you want be stalked?

163 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:44pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

Reading your comments has quickly become a waste of my time. Why are you posting nonsense? Don't bother answering me- I will only scroll past you because you're wasting time. Perhaps you'd be happier at a site that enjoys wasting time- like Ace of Spades.

The same was said of tfk when he first showed up. Finally people got a clue he was a poet extraordinaire. Reading what this one is posting is just bullshit dribbling.

164 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:49pm

tehranbureau tweet:

7 point statement distributed to protesters for today.

1. Dismissal of Khamenei for not being a fair leader
2. Dismissal of Ahmadinejad for his illegal acts
3. Temporary appointment of Ayatollah Montazeri as the Supreme Leader
4. Recognition of Mousavi as the President
5. Forming the Cabinet by Mousavi to prepare for revising the Constitution
6. unconditional and immediate release of all political prisoners
7. Dissolution of all organs of repression, public or secret.

165 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:09:53pm

re: #153 OldLineTexan

the essence of stalking is silence the furtive shadowed glimpse even too much too solid too real no the silent footfall the tread unheard the breath unbreathed the absolute chilling silence not even known in deep space where supernovas scream death agonies across immortals lifetimes the prey is completely aware of unawareness the lack of noise is proof of the stalker it is the thought of the sudden hand that kills the hand itself is clean

As that French poet once said: I saw the best mimes of my generation destroyed by madness.

166 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:10:13pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

167 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:10:24pm

re: #144 chicagodudewhotrades

The idea of 'new' media being a game-changer for dictatorial governments isn't exactly new. I remember a Time magazine article from the '80's about how VHS camcorders and VCR's were bad news for regimes like this since the regime couldn't truly control the information flow anymore. The article cited a example of indigenous tribes in the Brazilian rain forest filming their meetings with government officials so they could hold the government to any promises it made. The difference this time is the SPEED that this can now take place. Minutes/hours instead of days and weeks.

Well noted. Its commonly said that the mimeograph machine brought down the Soviet Union. Many of the Russian dissidents wrote of the importance of 'samizdata'.

168 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:10:32pm

We are witnessing history,

Tonite on Larry King, Heidi and Spencer from I'm a Celebrity, Jeff Foxworthy, and an American Idol runner up.

Yeah, good job CNN, keep propping up that dead talk show host while news is happening.

169 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:10:49pm

Analog, digital, or scratched into stone tablets no ideals triumph without blood and muscle.
This is (at best) the very beginning of change in Iran. Don't get rhapsodized by the promise of "increasing moderation". It's the same fool's gold that the mullah's have been selling for generations.

170 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:10:58pm

Spacejeebus has a sock puppet, or, a fan.

171 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:11:19pm

So Mandy, do you ever get this irresistible urge, straight from your genes, to, er, STALK somebody?

172 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:11:24pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

tehranbureau tweet:

7 point statement distributed to protesters for today.

1. Dismissal of Khamenei for not being a fair leader
2. Dismissal of Ahmadinejad for his illegal acts
3. Temporary appointment of Ayatollah Montazeri as the Supreme Leader
4. Recognition of Mousavi as the President
5. Forming the Cabinet by Mousavi to prepare for revising the Constitution
6. unconditional and immediate release of all political prisoners
7. Dissolution of all organs of repression, public or secret.

If true... WOW. It definitely seems to be getting away from the mullahcracy. It's not just about their Choice No. 1 versus Choice No. 2 any more.

173 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:11:32pm
174 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:11:37pm

re: #149 Gang of One

And you are actually willing to pay me for this?

Will send check in the mail.
heh-heh.

175 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:11:40pm

Im just glad we aren't counting on these new digital tv converter boxes for the big revolution. Mine has died after three days of use.

176 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:11:59pm

re: #159 Racer X

Now just because I post it does not make it true.

Speak for yourself.
Everything I post is true.
Except this post.

177 dapperdave  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:05pm

I can only imagine how many photo-shoped photos are going to be floating around out there just waiting to be exposed.

178 BignJames  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:17pm

re: #162 Gang of One

Mandy, do you want be stalked?


She's got a stick.

179 Kolberman  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:19pm

re: #139 FurryOldGuyJeans

Need lots of Beano then.

Did you hear about the blind woman who complained about the use of beano? She can't locate her husband anymore. [rimshot]

180 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:24pm

re: #157 swamprat

Ahmadinajad watching the news;

"Who would have thought we had so many jews in Iran?"


Its a zionist plot.

Remember the banner that said "The zionist entity is a cancerous growth"?

With that sort of irrational/insane/manic logic dinnerj is more the likely to try to use radiation treatment

181 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:12:42pm

re: #173 Iron Fist

That's a fact, Jack.

182 Gus  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:13:18pm

Iran: 12 students reported killed in crackdown after violent clashes

At least 12 people may have died in violent clashes with Iran's security forces following President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's disputed re-election, according to reports from the country.

The reported fatalities have come amid a brutal crackdown on students, apparently aimed at quelling a wave of campus rebellions that authorities fear could spill over to the wider population...

183 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:13:30pm

re: #166 MandyManners


You're stalking arent you?

184 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:13:59pm

re: #159 Racer X

Now just because I post it does not make it true.

Won't the market place of ideas take over and regulate it?

185 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:07pm

At first, I thought the protesters were media savvy. Many signs are in English for foreign consumption. If you read the captions, however, many of the protests are being held at the Iranian Embassies in foreign countries.

186 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:10pm

re: #175 Pvt Bin Jammin

Im just glad we aren't counting on these new digital tv converter boxes for the big revolution. Mine has died after three days of use.

It has learned everything of you its Chinese masters needed. It has been recalled.

/

187 BignJames  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:46pm

re: #183 A Kiwi Infidel

You're stalking arent you?


Setting a trap.

188 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:46pm

re: #172 Occasional Reader

If true... WOW. It definitely seems to be getting away from the mullahcracy. It's not just about their Choice No. 1 versus Choice No. 2 any more.

Except for that part about the temporary instatement of Ayatollah Otherguy as Supreme Leader. I would prefer a more American approach, in which we don't have a "Supreme Leader" (although I admit we've been trying to move in that direction recently).

189 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:14:48pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

190 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:15:33pm

re: #189 MandyManners

OK, OK, OK, OK
I see what you're doing, Miss Stalker Manners.

191 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:15:39pm

So, from now on, is Cato going to show up at each new thread, copy-and-paste his big abusive rant about how much we all suck, and then disappear again?

192 Gang of One  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:15:42pm

re: #189 MandyManners

Mandy, you're scaring me now.

193 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:15:53pm

Sock Puppet = Stalk Puppet

194 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:15:59pm

re: #185 quickjustice

At first, I thought the protesters were media savvy. Many signs are in English for foreign consumption. If you read the captions, however, many of the protests are being held at the Iranian Embassies in foreign countries.

Ummmmmmmmmm...English is THE LANGUAGE of the world. Of course those signs are in English. It's extremely media-savvy.

195 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:03pm

re: #161 Kolberman

Or maybe they can use the Zionist robot snake

what better way to go undercover among the mullahs!

196 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:08pm

re: #188 Last Mohican

Except for that part about the temporary instatement of Ayatollah Otherguy as Supreme Leader. I would prefer a more American approach, in which we don't have a "Supreme Leader" (although I admit we've been trying to move in that direction recently).

Montezeri is Not Your Father's Ayatollah.

197 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:16pm

re: #186 OldLineTexan

It has learned everything of you its Chinese masters needed. It has been recalled.

/

I wouldn't be surprised, LOL

What a piece of crap.

198 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:32pm
When the regime’s thugs open fire on a crowd, the video hits the net within minutes. It’s more difficult for despots to do their dirty work when the world is watching.

Digital media is turning the world into a kind of panopticon. Ironic, in a very good way, that it turned out to be the 'Big Brothers' who now have to try to scurry away from the reach of the ubiquitous 'telescreens'.

199 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:37pm

Occasional Reader,

I would prefer a more American approach, in which we don't have a "Supreme Leader" (although I admit we've been trying to move in that direction recently).

You're an impotent mouth foamer.

200 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:16:44pm

re: #136 LGoPs

Dammit. I had a perfect comment meant for # 109 full of bile and vitriol and you had to go and take that spot. Dammit again.

He has to repost the same shit from thread to thread, he can't come up with some new condescending snark.

201 BignJames  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:17:03pm

re: #191 Last Mohican

So, from now on, is Cato going to show up at each new thread, copy-and-paste his big abusive rant about how much we all suck, and then disappear again?


Takin' bets?

202 baier  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:17:16pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Iran: 12 students reported killed in crackdown after violent clashes

//Good thing Obama came out squarely in favor of people fighting for their freedom against an oppressive regime. People are being slaughtered in the streets, and our president stood firmly on their side, on the side of right. Good job Obama.

Like the Mullah give a shit about "voters". And they said Bush was stupid.

203 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:17:22pm

Iran09 not liking the 7-point statement:

@TehranBureau who is responsible of that statement?! looks worst than a complete revolution! any confirm? #iranelection

204 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:17:24pm

Pull up your stalkings.

205 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:17:42pm

re: #189 MandyManners


You're stalking arent you?

206 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:18:12pm

re: #190 reine.de.tout

OK, OK, OK, OK
I see what you're doing, Miss Stalker Manners.

*sting*

Youtube Video
207 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:18:19pm

The Lord acts in mysterious ways! The microchips in the devices that are causing the mullahs so much concern were probably made in ISRAEL.

208 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:18:28pm

Armchair stalkers.

209 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:18:48pm

re: #199 Dirk Diggler

Occasional Reader,

You're an impotent mouth foamer.

Dude, you're obviously out of LGF practice. That wasn't even my quote.

As for "impotent", a quick chat with your mom would dispel that idea.

/just kidding Dirk

210 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:18:53pm

re: #176 Spare O'Lake

Speak for yourself.
Everything I post is true.
Except this post.

I met a man from Crete.

211 Attaboid  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:19:18pm

I posted this photo earlier today. It's just amazing in its focus and depth of field.

Also shows the camers/cell-phones.

What sort of camera and lens was used?

212 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:19:35pm

re: #196 Occasional Reader

Montezeri is Not Your Father's Ayatollah.

His name kind of sounds Italian.

213 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:19:38pm

re: #191 Last Mohican

So, from now on, is Cato going to show up at each new thread, copy-and-paste his big abusive rant about how much we all suck, and then disappear again?

Actually that would be quite nice of him. Just get it out of the way and let us go on about our business.

214 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:00pm

re: #199 Dirk Diggler

Occasional Reader,


You're an impotent mouth foamer.

Worst.porno.EVER.

/

215 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:06pm

re: #200 FurryOldGuyJeans

He has to repost the same shit from thread to thread, he can't come up with some new condescending snark.

Maybe we could start a condescending snark pool for Cato that he could pick and choose from. Make it a little easier on him. Condescending snarking is hard work. I'll start:

"You are all stupid. And you're not very nice, either".

How's that?

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:21pm

re: #198 Jimmah

I can't help but think of the band ISIS every time is see the word panopticon.

217 jamgarr  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:21pm

I'm more of a Monday morning stalker

("So, where'd you go over the weekend?")

218 Gus  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:22pm

re: #202 baier

//Good thing Obama came out squarely in favor of people fighting for their freedom against an oppressive regime. People are being slaughtered in the streets, and our president stood firmly on their side, on the side of right. Good job Obama.

Like the Mullah give a shit about "voters". And they said Bush was stupid.

Yes. Or in his words "deeply troubling" which comes after his "robust debate" observation. All for wanting to re-write the way America speaks for the free world. Not any more -- those days are naught for the time being.

219 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:25pm

re: #199 Dirk Diggler

Occasional Reader,


You're an impotent mouth foamer.

*draws sword*

What say you, sir?

220 SummerSong  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:39pm

From Twitter :
"RT from Iran:" I've learned something today. Americans DO care about the world outside America. Their media just doesn't."

221 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:48pm

re: #215 LGoPs

Maybe we could start a condescending snark pool for Cato that he could pick and choose from. Make it a little easier on him. Condescending snarking is hard work. I'll start:

"You are all stupid. And you're not very nice, either".

How's that?

"You are all stupid. And you're not very nice, either".
"Neener, neener, Neener."

222 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:49pm

Notice the difference with real citizen journalism and the "Palestinian" version? No staging, to bad acting, just pure unadulterated horror.

My heart is with the people of Iran.

223 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:20:56pm

re: #155 albusteve

is it possible to talk an entire thread and everyone on it?...."repost from last thread" is creepy....jus sayin

Especially when it's done at least twice in one day.

224 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:21:26pm

Gene at Harry's Place is happy with Obama's speech.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

I'm not sure if Hitchens will be so kind though.

225 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:21:35pm

re: #219 MandyManners

*draws sword*

What say you, sir?

GET 'IM, MANDY!

/hidingbehindMandy

226 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:21:36pm

re: #215 LGoPs

Maybe we could start a condescending snark pool for Cato that he could pick and choose from. Make it a little easier on him. Condescending snarking is hard work. I'll start:

"You are all stupid. And you're not very nice, either".

How's that?

"Cessation of work is not accompanied by cessation of expenses."
"This corn is well grown and Carthage must be destroyed."
"Grasp the subject, words will follow."
"Anger so clouds the mind, that it cannot perceive the truth."
"Take no account of dreams."
"And what do you think of usury?" - "What do you think of murder?"
"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
"Never am I less alone than when I am by myself, never am I more active than when I do nothing."
"Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise."

227 FightingBack  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:08pm

Last night, at 10 PM, while I was reading the first hand reports here, CNN Headline News aired a 2007 interview of Ahmadinejad with Larry King.
 and Fox Cable News aired a repeat Huckabee from Friday.

228 Kolberman  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:17pm

re: #198 Jimmah

Digital media is turning the world into a kind of panopticon. Ironic, in a very good way, that it turned out to be the 'Big Brothers' who now have to try to scurry away from the reach of the ubiquitous 'telescreens'.

panopticon. Very nice use of the word.

229 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:21pm

re: #220 SummerSong

From Twitter :
"RT from Iran:" I've learned something today. Americans DO care about the world outside America. Their media just doesn't."

Excellent!

I keep clicking the updinger but it only went up one time.

Can I get a little help?

230 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:41pm

re: #226 Walter L. Newton

"Anger so clouds the mind, that it cannot perceive the truth."

Okay, that one was Yoda, right?

231 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:22:43pm

re: #229 Racer X

Excellent!

I keep clicking the updinger but it only went up one time.

Can I get a little help?

I updinged!

232 BignJames  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:23:07pm

re: #220 SummerSong

From Twitter :
"RT from Iran:" I've learned something today. Americans DO care about the world outside America. Their media just doesn't."


I wonder how they figured that out?

/

233 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:23:31pm

re: #219 MandyManners

*draws sword*

What say you, sir?

"Whips out phased plasma rifle in the 2000 watt range*

I've got your back Mandy. ;)

234 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:23:33pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

To all the 101st Keyboarders, armchair generals, circle-jerking second-guessers and semi-professional ODSers here tonight ...Now back to your regularly scheduled, mouth-foaming, impotent, infinite hatred of Obama. Sorry for the interruption.

I ignored this litany of abuse the first time. Congrats, you trolled me into a downding this time.

235 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:23:43pm

So Cato: should Obama just shaddap and not say anything lest the mullahs have another reason to crack down on the 'students?'

236 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:23:59pm

Internet appears to be back down for Iran :( My father says they are sitting on roof tops chanting for Freedom

[Link: twitter.com...]

237 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:21pm

re: #220 SummerSong

From Twitter :
"RT from Iran:" I've learned something today. Americans DO care about the world outside America. Their media just doesn't."

Needs to be repeated.

238 ArmyWife  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:22pm

Wow. this will teach me to go walk the dogs!

239 swamprat  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:30pm

Cato has a point. Guns are very effective against nice people running around and pouting loudly. Now the world can see how Iran treats the disenfranchised. Maybe the ACLU/Iranian branch will help them.


Or maybe a lot of nice, well-meaning people will get killed or have the snot beat out of themselves.

Does anybody think that the world will be surprised that Iran is a fascist regime?...I'm waiting for the left to start posting stories about what a nice guy Ahmadinejad is.

240 Gus  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:32pm

Boston Globe Image Gallery

[Link: www.boston.com...]

241 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:36pm

re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth

I can't help but think of the band ISIS every time is see the word panopticon.

Some further trivia - ISIS (Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society) is the name of the site that I found LGF through. And I found ISIS from a recommendation by Richard Dawkins in an article in the Guardian.

242 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:55pm

re: #230 Occasional Reader

Okay, that one was Yoda, right?

Yoda the Elder, from the two surviving collections of proverbs known as Distichs of Yoda and Monosticha Yodanis, in hexameter verse, probably belong to the 4th century AD. They are not really by Yoda.

243 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:56pm

re: #159 Racer X

Now just because I post it does not make it true.

You can also video-tape government violence and upload it though. I don't think anyone's arguing that we take people's Twitters as gospel...unless I'm missing something.

244 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:56pm

re: #236 Sharmuta

Internet appears to be back down for Iran :( My father says they are sitting on roof tops chanting for Freedom

[Link: twitter.com...]

Hey Lil' Kim - are you paying attention?

245 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:24:56pm

re: #234 Zimriel

I ignored this litany of abuse the first time. Congrats, you trolled me into a downding this time.

Couldn't just make a point, had to come over the top and scold a bunch of people.

246 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:12pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

"You are all stupid. And you're not very nice, either".
"Neener, neener, Neener."

I've always liked "You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny."

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:12pm

re: #220 SummerSong

From Twitter :
"RT from Iran:" I've learned something today. Americans DO care about the world outside America. Their media just doesn't."

We certainly do, yet sadly our media and our politicians do a rather shitty job of reflecting that American quality.

248 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:36pm

re: #235 BigPapa

Cato's gone. Not logged in any more. He'll be back later to paste in his comment about how we all suck again.

249 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:46pm

re: #230 Occasional Reader

Okay, that one was Yoda, right?

No, then I think it would be "Anger clouds the mind it does, perceive the truth it cannot." You have to end every independent clause with a verb in Yodaese.

250 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:25:52pm

re: #225 Occasional Reader

GET 'IM, MANDY!

/hidingbehindMandy

sotto voce: Git mah gun.

251 SaracensAtTheGates  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:05pm

The Last Poets: "When the Revolution Comes" (1971)

252 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:09pm

Hey Mandy ..... This isn't stalking or anything, but I was just hoping you're doing OK.

253 horse  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:17pm

Iran is falling face first into post modern freedom, where the IM is mightier than the AK.

254 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:23pm

re: #249 livefreeor die

No, then I think it would be "Anger clouds the mind it does, perceive the truth it cannot." You have to end every independent clause with a verb in Yodaese.

Everwhat.
:)

255 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:29pm

re: #215 LGoPs

Maybe we could start a condescending snark pool for Cato that he could pick and choose from. Make it a little easier on him. Condescending snarking is hard work. I'll start:

"You are all stupid. And you're not very nice, either".

How's that?

How about this. "nice sweater. Does it come with a free bowl of soup?"

256 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:38pm

re: #233 FurryOldGuyJeans

"Whips out phased plasma rifle in the 2000 watt range*

I've got your back Mandy. ;)

That's a wrap, folks!

257 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:49pm

re: #248 Last Mohican

Cato's gone. Not logged in any more. He'll be back later to paste in his comment about how we all suck again.

We're not worthy! We're not wooorrrthyyy!

258 ArmyWife  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:26:55pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

A fool and their words are soon parted.

259 bellamags  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:18pm

I'm going to bed. see y'all later.

260 ArmyWife  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:26pm

re: #241 Jimmah

My dog is named Isis. After the goddess, though.

261 ryannon  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:33pm

re: #218 Gus 802

Yes. Or in his words "deeply troubling" which comes after his "robust debate" observation. All for wanting to re-write the way America speaks for the free world. Not any more -- those days are naught for the time being.

Next pronouncement by The Wise One:

"A deeply troubling robust debate"

262 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:39pm

re: #241 Jimmah

Well, that's certainly more interesting than my ISIS post, but not nearly as groovy. Can't even dance to it.
/

263 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:46pm

re: #248 Last Mohican

Cato's gone. Not logged in any more. He'll be back later to paste in his comment about how we all suck again.

Maybe we should only respond to him with reposts of our own previous comments.

264 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:27:51pm

It is amazing to me how people are trying to connect across continents in this fashion, helping each other out. Truly amazing, never happened before especially on this scale.

265 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:07pm

re: #252 _RememberTonyC

Hey Mandy ..... This isn't stalking or anything, but I was just hoping you're doing OK.

Wiped out beyond belief. Thank you for caring!

266 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:08pm

re: #243 DeathtotheSwiss

You can also video-tape government violence and upload it though. I don't think anyone's arguing that we take people's Twitters as gospel...unless I'm missing something.

I don't know if anyone is arguing that, but some do take tweets as fact. Heck, half the time I don't believe my own lying eyes, let alone what some anonymous person posts on the interwebs.

267 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:22pm

re: #246 _RememberTonyC

I've always liked "You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny."

Actually, my aunt does wear combat boots! (Retired Army Nurse, service in Vietnam.)

268 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:38pm

re: #128 FurryOldGuyJeans

Piss off, you condescending prick.

And that is all I'm gonna say on the subject.

I'll take the prisoner downstairs, said Tom condescendingly.

269 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:39pm

re: #250 MandyManners

sotto voce: Git mah gun.

Would a phased plasma rifle in the 2000 watt range work for ya? ;)

270 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:48pm

re: #257 Zimriel

We're not worthy! We're not wooorrrthyyy!

*SCHWIIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG*

not

271 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:50pm

re: #264 BigPapa

It is amazing to me how people are trying to connect across continents in this fashion, helping each other out. Truly amazing, never happened before especially on this scale.

That is the really fascinating thing about the digitized nature of this revolution.

272 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:28:58pm

re: #265 MandyManners

Wiped out beyond belief. Thank you for caring!

hang in there Mandy...whatever it is will pass

273 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:29:04pm

re: #263 livefreeor die

Maybe we should only respond to him with reposts of our own previous comments.

LOL.

274 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:29:14pm

re: #233 FurryOldGuyJeans

"Whips out phased plasma rifle in the 2000 watt range*

Okay, so did the Terminator just forget that those hadn't been invented yet in 1985? How do Terminators "forget" stuff?

275 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:29:30pm

re: #263 livefreeor die

Maybe we should only respond to him with reposts of our own previous comments.

An excellent idea!

Even better would be if Cato just stayed over at the old thread, and re-read what we posted in response to his comment the first time.

276 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:29:38pm

re: #265 MandyManners

Wiped out beyond belief. Thank you for caring!

Your family doing ok? What's the latest word?

277 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:29:38pm

re: #265 MandyManners

Wiped out beyond belief. Thank you for caring!

How are things going today?

278 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:29:48pm

re: #253 horse

Iran is falling face first into post modern freedom, where the IM is mightier than the AK.

Which is a derivative of Napoleon's maxim:

There are two powers in the world the sword and the spirit. In the long run the sword is always conquered by the spirit.

279 Gus  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:29:59pm

re: #261 ryannon

Next pronouncement by The Wise One:

"A deeply troubling robust debate"

"For too long America has denied a deeply troubling robust debate. But this is a universal value and not one limited to the United States."

Barack Obama

//

280 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:07pm

re: #265 MandyManners

Wiped out beyond belief. Thank you for caring!

You know I do! I hope you get a chance to chill out soon :)

281 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:11pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

Okay, so did the Terminator just forget that those hadn't been invented yet in 1985? How do Terminators "forget" stuff?

Korean-made memory

282 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:15pm

re: #255 Truck Monkey

How about this. "nice sweater. Does it come with a free bowl of soup?"

I always liked "Wow, I didn't know they made those in men's sizes".

283 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:31pm

re: #264 BigPapa

It is amazing to me how people are trying to connect across continents in this fashion, helping each other out. Truly amazing, never happened before especially on this scale.

I bet the Jordyptian PTB are scratching their heads in light of their most recent altercation with Israel.

284 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:32pm

re: #274 Occasional Reader

Okay, so did the Terminator just forget that those hadn't been invented yet in 1985? How do Terminators "forget" stuff?

Last time I checked it ain't 1985 any more.

285 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:30:47pm

re: #265 MandyManners

Wiped out beyond belief. Thank you for caring!

Mandy, are you experiencing trials.......that you need prayer for?

286 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:31:34pm

Power to the People

Youtube Video
287 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:31:58pm
288 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:32:06pm

re: #262 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, that's certainly more interesting than my ISIS post, but not nearly as groovy. Can't even dance to it.
/

Next time I'll record a drum and bass rap version ;-).

289 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:32:07pm

If we can be blamed for -

+ emboldening terrorists by fighting them

and

+ emboldening the Mullahs by endorsing their opponents

Then

+ can't Obama be blamed for inciting racism by being President?

That is where the line of thinking takes you if you apply it fairly.

I don't buy it that fighting terror causes terror. And I don't buy it that we will reward the Mullahs by opposing them. And the racists who hate Obama hated him before they knew his name.

290 psyop  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:32:17pm

Something for all to keep in mind (especially those who feel the modern U.S. Armed Forces are evil thugs who rape and murder *cough MURTHA cough*) is that the technology to capture violence is available to the people throughout Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yet, despite 6+ years of opportunity, there is little damning evidence of the U.S. or any of its allies doing anything horrifically offensive. Whenever there has been even a small amount of culpability, those on our side that were found responsible have been held accountable and even thrown in jail in many circumstances.

The only things that survive to impugn the honor and professionalism of the U.S. Armed Forces and its allies are hearsay, ridiculous rumor, conspiracy theory, and laughable propaganda.

Seriously, for anyone who is still so ignorant as to believe that somehow evil "neocons" are somehow controlling the media and not allowing the "true story" to be revealed have conveniently forgotten foreign media such as Al Jazeera and MEMRI TV. The idea that these profoundly anti-western media outlets (and many others like them) would not air every piece of incriminating evidence is absurd beyond imagining.

291 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:32:17pm

Gonna say goodnight ... prayers for our pals on this board and our future pals in the streets of iran.

292 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:32:29pm

Just me, or is anyone else seeing this spread throughout the country? I keep seeing different cities/towns mentioned in the tweets. Also don't get any feel for where the military, aside from the Basij stand.
This easily could result in the total collapse of gov't in Iran, I think. If so, what then?

293 Dan G.  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:32:42pm

Kind of turn Orwell on his head doesn't it (i.e. us watching "Big Brother")?

294 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:32:50pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Now back to your regularly scheduled, mouth-foaming, impotent, infinite hatred of Obama. Sorry for the interruption.


I think you meant to post this at Free Republic. Or Hotair.

295 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:33:04pm

re: #287 Iron Fist

Man, I think my 6.8 upper is in. I've got a package from FedEx that is waiting on me. WooHoo!

Great.

Now, good luck finding ammo for it.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

-Very truly yours,

Eric Holder

296 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:33:05pm

re: #287 Iron Fist

Man, I think my 6.8 upper is in. I've got a package from FedEx that is waiting on me. WooHoo!

SUH-WEET! :)

297 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:33:23pm

re: #60 LGoPs

Then it's best to flush him out for the world to see. And make it harder for those who would support him to deny that he is a murderous thug.
Are you listening Columbia University?

They lastingly disgraced themselves with that invitation. Just imagine how they'd swish up their virtuous skirts, at the suggestion of inviting a conservative American.

298 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:33:27pm

Who's who - (copied from another forum:)

Currently, there are either two or three groups who are suppressing the students on the ground that you'll read about throughout this thread:

1. The Basij
2. Ansar Hizbullah (which I will refer to as Ansar)
3. Lebanese Hizbullah (Unconfirmed but highly probable. Many different independent reports and video point that way. Even in the last hours other independent twitter feeds have declared witnessing thugs beating on people while shouting in Arabic; I will refer to them as Hizbullah)

- The Basij are your regular paramilitary organization. They are the armed hand of the clerics. The Basij are a legal group, officially a student union, and are legally under direct orders of the Revolutionary Guard. Their main raison d'être is to quell dissent. They are the ones who go and crack skulls, force people to participate in pro-regime demonstrations, and generally try to stop any demonstrations from even starting. They are located throughout the country, in every mosque, every university, every social club you can think of. They function in a way very similar to the brownshirts.

They were the ones who first started the crackdown after the election, but it wasn't enough. While they are violent and repressive, they are still Persian and attacking fellow citizens. A beating is one thing, mass killings another.

- Another group was working with them, whose members are even more extreme, is Ansar. There is a lot of cross-membership between the Basij and Ansar, though not all are members of the other group and vice-versa. The vast majority of Ansar are Persians (either Basij or ex-military), though a lot of Arab recruits come from Lebanon and train with them under supervision of the Revolutionary Guard. They are not functioning under a legal umbrella, they are considered a vigilante group, but they pledge loyalty directly to the Supreme Leader and most people believe that they are under his control. They are currently helping the Basij to control the riots, but due to the fact that they are Persians and in lower numbers than the Basij, they are not that active.

- (the following paragraph includes some speculation based on reports from ground zero) Hizbullah flew in a lot of their members in Iran, most likely a good deal even before the elections in case there were trouble. They are the ones who speak Arabs and are unleashing the biggest level of violence on the Persians so far. Another wave arrived recently and there is chatter that yet another wave of Hizbullah reinforcements are coming in from Lebanon as we speak. According to Iranians on the ground, they are the ones riding motorcycles, beating men women and children indiscriminately and firing live ammunitions at students.

The Lebanese Hizbullah is a direct offshoot (and under direct control) of the Iranian Hizbullah (itself under direct control of the Supreme Leader) and cooperates closely with Ansar though Ansar occupies itself only with Iran's domestic policies, while Hizbullah occupies itself only with Iran's foreign policy unless there is a crisis like right now. However, Hizbullah has been called to stop violent riots in Iran in the past.

What will happen

Unless the army decides to intervene in the favor of the Council and to stop the early beginnings of the new Revolution, Ansar & Hizbullah members will be the ones doing the brunt of the killing and repression with Basij as a support while also protecting government buildings and try to do crowd control. The police seems to have for the most part disbanded in centers like Tehran according to all reports, including international media.

299 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:33:42pm
300 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:34:00pm

re: #292 irongrampa

Just me, or is anyone else seeing this spread throughout the country? I keep seeing different cities/towns mentioned in the tweets. Also don't get any feel for where the military, aside from the Basij stand.
This easily could result in the total collapse of gov't in Iran, I think. If so, what then?

Cato will have to find something else to snark about.

301 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:34:05pm

re: #260 ArmyWife

My dog is named Isis. After the goddess, though.

Heh. It would get pretty tiresome calling out "Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society! Here boy!"

302 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:34:12pm

re: #286 Sharmuta

it's the message...empower yourself

303 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:34:34pm

Abraham Lincoln: Attorney at Law is on my loical PBS Channel.
It might be a national broadcast, I don't know.

Turn it on, and either learn something about a great American or find the mistakes in the narrative. Either way it's good stuff.

304 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:34:40pm

re: #294 Alouette

I think you meant to post this at Free Republic. Or Hotair.

Gotta love any any hint of criticism about Obama is construed as derangement by some people. Dissent is no longer patriotic now that the Holy Messiah has been enthroned.

305 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:35:01pm

Real quick so as not to de-rail: mom has/had an infection that her usual Levaquin could not cure. She's on a newer Rx, IV. The down-ward spiral of COPD at this stage is amazing.

Thanks to all of you Lizardds who are keeping her in your thoughts and prayers. I love LGF.

306 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:35:11pm

re: #293 Dan G.

Kind of turn Orwell on his head doesn't it (i.e. us watching "Big Brother")?

Big Brother, meet Little Brother.

307 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:35:27pm

The Itty Bitty Kitty Committee

308 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:35:27pm

re: #286 Sharmuta

Power to the People


For one terrifying moment I thought that was going to be Cliff Richard.

309 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:36:06pm

re: #267 SteveC

Actually, my aunt does wear combat boots! (Retired Army Nurse, service in Vietnam.)

Your mother wears army boots and your father`s a lady wrestler.
- Grade school taunt, circa 1960

310 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:36:24pm

re: #308 Jimmah

For one terrifying moment I thought that was going to be Cliff Richard.

Better him than Little Richard. ;)

311 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:36:34pm

The guys on Fark.com are pretty lefty, but they are smart. A good number of thing think a big crackdown is coming on Tuesday.

312 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:36:52pm

re: #308 Jimmah

Would I do that to you?

313 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:37:06pm

re: #292 irongrampa

'What then?' is the 10 million dollar question. When you have the answer let us know. I guess the probabilities range from dinner jacket getting tossed out but being replaced by someone even more hard line then him, to iran becoming a free, secular country. Too many possibilities. time will tell.

314 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:37:53pm

re: #300 Walter L. Newton

Cato will have to find something else to snark about.

he will...he's a natural, but it gets old...you try to be friendly and they slap you for it...I'm less than impressed with flowery intellect...just pass the bong

315 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:38:02pm

re: #311 SteveC

It's possible. I like fark, a lot of them are really funny and pretty smart. Politically, I find them on the stupid side.

316 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:38:06pm
317 3 wood  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:38:11pm

Good evening.

I just got back from the store and saw a milk carton with Hillary Clinton's picture on it. Where is our Secretary of State right about now?

318 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:38:36pm

re: #305 MandyManners

Real quick so as not to de-rail: mom has/had an infection that her usual Levaquin could not cure. She's on a newer Rx, IV. The down-ward spiral of COPD at this stage is amazing.

Thanks to all of you Lizardds who are keeping her in your thoughts and prayers. I love LGF.


You know, I had just assumed that I was going get cold shouldered and thought, "I will pray anyway, (prayed you would be comforted and strengthened by the Holy Spirit, that you can trust God and know He is in control) and then your post popped up.

I will send more focussed prayer for the situation.......

319 Gus  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:38:54pm

re: #311 SteveC

The guys on Fark.com are pretty lefty, but they are smart. A good number of thing think a big crackdown is coming on Tuesday.

It'll get worse as the protests continues. Once the protests end the killing won't end. There will no doubt be trials and executions in the following months. There may also be a lot of unofficial acts that will take place by the government thugs.

320 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:39:17pm

re: #317 3 wood

Good evening.

I just got back from the store and saw a milk carton with Hillary Clinton's picture on it. Where is our Secretary of State right about now?

in therapy

321 Solomon2  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:39:19pm

The downside to this revolution, Charles, is that there aren't many bicycles in these instant videos...

322 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:39:29pm

sun rising over Tehran Iran blocking #iranelection use #iran9 instead

[Link: twitter.com...]

323 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:39:40pm

I had better go, been away, got some catching up to do.

324 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:00pm

re: #317 3 wood

Good evening.

I just got back from the store and saw a milk carton with Hillary Clinton's picture on it. Where is our Secretary of State right about now?

I think I saw here in Canada the other day.

325 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:01pm

i'm inspired how the people in iran want their freedom.
and are willing to die for it.
shouldn't that inspire o?
it is inspiring everyone else and they are saying so.

326 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:08pm

re: #300 Walter L. Newton

Cato has been scrollover for me since about the second or third comment he posted. And I've been registered since 2006.

327 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:10pm
And then a lot of those people connect to the Internet and use web services like YouTube and Flickr and Brightcove to make their images and recordings available to the whole world, almost instantly.

I don't think the people who started YouTube had any idea that their hip video sharing site would be such a powerful tool in geopolitics. Cool how ingenuity works.

328 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:13pm

Mandy Manners,

Real quick so as not to de-rail: mom has/had an infection that her usual Levaquin could not cure. She's on a newer Rx, IV. The down-ward spiral of COPD at this stage is amazing.

Thanks to all of you Lizardds who are keeping her in your thoughts and prayers. I love LGF.

What is COPD?

329 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:14pm
330 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:31pm

re: #314 albusteve

he will...he's a natural, but it gets old...you try to be friendly and they slap you for it...I'm less than impressed with flowery intellect...just pass the bong

If he were to actually just discuss things I would pay attention to what he has to say. But he loves being a prick so I have no reason to even bother.

331 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:38pm

Twitter feeds say Iranian gov't is possibly blocking #iranelection tag and tweets now posting to #iran9

[Link: twitter.com...]

332 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:50pm

Wonder what the gun control laws in Iran are like.

333 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:55pm

The Squabble

Youtube Video

Squabble, squabble, squabble, squabble...

334 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:40:57pm

re: #317 3 wood

Good evening.

I just got back from the store and saw a milk carton with Hillary Clinton's picture on it. Where is our Secretary of State right about now?

ROFLMAO!

335 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:05pm

re: #318 A Kiwi Infidel

You know, I had just assumed that I was going get cold shouldered and thought, "I will pray anyway, (prayed you would be comforted and strengthened by the Holy Spirit, that you can trust God and know He is in control) and then your post popped up.

I will send more focussed prayer for the situation.......

Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.

336 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:15pm

re: #316 Iron Fist

Wah. Wah!

The Girlfriend (now Fiancee, but that is how it goes :-) agrees that we need a thousand rounds of ammo for it. We've got to find that ammo and buy it. Most of the 6.8 ammo I've seen is about a dollar a round. Wah indeed.

But it beats the mousegun or even 7.62X39 in ballistics. M-4+

You can't beat that with a stick.

Mazel tov, bro!

I guess we can all buy you guys ammo as a wedding gift?!

337 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:29pm

Redskins - Kick Over The Statues

Youtube Video
338 Gearhead  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:38pm

re: #317 3 wood

Good evening.

I just got back from the store and saw a milk carton with Hillary Clinton's picture on it. Where is our Secretary of State right about now?

Huddling with Obama's patronage appointees trying to figure out what professional diplomats would do?

339 FightingBack  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:46pm

re: #328 Dirk Diggler

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (emphysema.)

340 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:48pm

re: #292 irongrampa

Just me, or is anyone else seeing this spread throughout the country? I keep seeing different cities/towns mentioned in the tweets. Also don't get any feel for where the military, aside from the Basij stand.
This easily could result in the total collapse of gov't in Iran, I think. If so, what then?

Cato goes back to his regularly scheduled, mouth-foaming, impotent, infinite hatred of us.

341 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:41:48pm

re: #159 Racer X

Now just because I post it does not make it true.

But, but, you flew around the room in a cape last night....
/////

342 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:05pm

re: #332 The Sanity Inspector

Kinda like Massachusetts, but a bit more strict.

343 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:16pm

re: #298 SteveC

Who's who - (copied from another forum:)

Currently, there are either two or three groups who are suppressing the students on the ground that you'll read about throughout this thread:

1. The Basij
2. Ansar Hizbullah (which I will refer to as Ansar)
3. Lebanese Hizbullah (Unconfirmed but highly probable. Many different independent reports and video point that way. Even in the last hours other independent twitter feeds have declared witnessing thugs beating on people while shouting in Arabic; I will refer to them as Hizbullah)

- The Basij are your regular paramilitary organization. They are the armed hand of the clerics. The Basij are a legal group, officially a student union, and are legally under direct orders of the Revolutionary Guard. Their main raison d'être is to quell dissent. They are the ones who go and crack skulls, force people to participate in pro-regime demonstrations, and generally try to stop any demonstrations from even starting. They are located throughout the country, in every mosque, every university, every social club you can think of. They function in a way very similar to the brownshirts.

They were the ones who first started the crackdown after the election, but it wasn't enough. While they are violent and repressive, they are still Persian and attacking fellow citizens. A beating is one thing, mass killings another.

- Another group was working with them, whose members are even more extreme, is Ansar. There is a lot of cross-membership between the Basij and Ansar, though not all are members of the other group and vice-versa. The vast majority of Ansar are Persians (either Basij or ex-military), though a lot of Arab recruits come from Lebanon and train with them under supervision of the Revolutionary Guard. They are not functioning under a legal umbrella, they are considered a vigilante group, but they pledge loyalty directly to the Supreme Leader and most people believe that they are under his control. They are currently helping the Basij to control the riots, but due to the fact that they are Persians and in lower numbers than the Basij, they are not that active.

- (the following paragraph includes some speculation based on reports from ground zero) Hizbullah flew in a lot of their members in Iran, most likely a good deal even before the elections in case there were trouble. They are the ones who speak Arabs and are unleashing the biggest level of violence on the Persians so far. Another wave arrived recently and there is chatter that yet another wave of Hizbullah reinforcements are coming in from Lebanon as we speak. According to Iranians on the ground, they are the ones riding motorcycles, beating men women and children indiscriminately and firing live ammunitions at students.

The Lebanese Hizbullah is a direct offshoot (and under direct control) of the Iranian Hizbullah (itself under direct control of the Supreme Leader) and cooperates closely with Ansar though Ansar occupies itself only with Iran's domestic policies, while Hizbullah occupies itself only with Iran's foreign policy unless there is a crisis like right now. However, Hizbullah has been called to stop violent riots in Iran in the past.

What will happen

Unless the army decides to intervene in the favor of the Council and to stop the early beginnings of the new Revolution, Ansar & Hizbullah members will be the ones doing the brunt of the killing and repression with Basij as a support while also protecting government buildings and try to do crowd control. The police seems to have for the most part disbanded in centers like Tehran according to all reports, including international media.

Is it true that Mousavi was a founder of Hezbollah?

344 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:24pm

re: #305 MandyManners

Real quick so as not to de-rail: mom has/had an infection that her usual Levaquin could not cure. She's on a newer Rx, IV. The down-ward spiral of COPD at this stage is amazing.

Thanks to all of you Lizardds who are keeping her in your thoughts and prayers. I love LGF.

{mandy}

345 Lee Coller  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:38pm

Karma: -18

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This user is blocked.

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346 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:42:56pm

Hang in there Mandy.

347 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:43:09pm

re: #330 FurryOldGuyJeans

If he were to actually just discuss things I would pay attention to what he has to say. But he loves being a prick so I have no reason to even bother.

no respect mon...he's too deep into himself to be any fun

348 BignJames  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:43:09pm

Hey, someone's noticed!

349 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:43:10pm

Is it me or is DKos obsessed with Norm Coleman? Strange...

350 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:00pm

re: #345 Lee Coller

I thought that was a Spacejesus sock puppet.

351 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:03pm

re: #317 3 wood

Good evening.

I just got back from the store and saw a milk carton with Hillary Clinton's picture on it. Where is our Secretary of State right about now?

I don't know-where does one go to s--t bricks?

352 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:13pm

Some more from Fark:

There is a major crackdown on students, especially those with connections to the outside world going on right now. Some people report that the students are fighting back in some areas. Telephones are being bugged and everyone twittering and sending videos outside of Iran are being rounded up. ISPs were shut down, government hackers are threatening people who twitter, and some of them have vanished in the last 24 hours.

Later, the people started to fight back. First, they took over and burned down a Basij base, killing its commander. Later, a Basij shot a young man in the face in front of their HQ, at which point a policeman went to confront them. The Basij beat the policeman, at which point students stormed the compound, throwing molotov cocktails, burning it to the ground. This is very big.

Tomorrow

Tomorrow, supporters of Moussavi have a manifestation planned for 5pm, Tehran time. Roughly the same number or more is expected to attend. Plenty of twitter chat about dressing in black.

The pro-Ahmadinejad crowd however are planning a counter-demonstration at the very same place the supporters are supposed to gather at 3pm. Most agree that basically they are simply going to gather for a confrontation. Basij from all over the country are moving to Tehran and supporters are being bused from all over the country.

A major showdown is expected to unfold

353 Bobblehead  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:29pm

re: #317 3 wood

Good evening.

I just got back from the store and saw a milk carton with Hillary Clinton's picture on it. Where is our Secretary of State right about now?

Good question. We haven't heard diddly squat from the world's smartest woman lately.

354 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:31pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

The Squabble

[Video]

Squabble, squabble, squabble, squabble...

neener, neener, neener, neener . . .

355 jamgarr  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:54pm

re: #351 livefreeor die

I don't know-where does one go to s--t bricks?


Easy - the brick s**thouse.

356 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:44:56pm

UNCONF:16 high-level officers of Rev-Guards have been arrested, bcz wanted to join ppl.

[Link: twitter.com...]

357 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:45:05pm

re: #340 livefreeor die

Don't need that from him, got relatives that handle that chore.

358 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:45:11pm

Austin Heap shows (techies) how it's done:


If you’re using Windows, it’s pretty straight forward to setup a proxy and help give access to those in Iran who are being censored. If you’re running Redhat/CentOS, please use the linux instructions.[Link: blog.austinheap.com...]
359 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:45:33pm

re: #345 Lee Coller

Karma: -18

enormodome

This user is blocked.

Registered since: May 24, 2009 at 4:17 pm
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Wow! Thanks, Stinky.

360 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:45:47pm

re: #328 Dirk Diggler

Mandy Manners,

What is COPD?

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. Emphysema's new name.

In short, she's slowly drowing in her own muccus. But, as she gets closer to the end, it speeds up.

361 SummerSong  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:45:50pm

re: #229 Racer X

Excellent!

I keep clicking the updinger but it only went up one time.

Can I get a little help?

Thanks Racer X. It was so good, I had to share!

362 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:45:54pm

Seething works (again)....
Letterman to apologize to Palin tonight

363 psyop  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:46:05pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

UNCONF:16 high-level officers of Rev-Guards have been arrested, bcz wanted to join ppl.

[Link: twitter.com...]

...that is amazing if it is true.

Could be the beginning of an honest-to-goodness revolution.

364 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:46:05pm

re: #345 Lee Coller

Karma: -18

enormodome

This user is blocked.

Registered since: May 24, 2009 at 4:17 pm
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What did he do? Just seemed stoned to me.

365 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:46:17pm

re: #353 Bobblehead

Good question. We haven't heard diddly squat from the world's smartest woman lately.

she was last seen doing a NYT crossword puzzle blindfolded

366 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:46:32pm

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson

[Link: twitter.com...]

367 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:46:54pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

I feel a Johnny Cash song comin' on.

368 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:47:04pm

re: #356 Sharmuta

UNCONF:16 high-level officers of Rev-Guards have been arrested, bcz wanted to join ppl.

[Link: twitter.com...]

it turns here...the Rev Guard

369 FightingBack  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:47:45pm

re: #360 MandyManners

Don't give up hope. I know a lot of people who have come back from there.
Thinking of you.

370 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:09pm

re: #363 psyop

Surely does show the Mullahs control to be shaky, doen't it?

371 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:10pm

re: #364 OldLineTexan

What did he do? Just seemed stoned to me.

he pissed off Charles...nuff said

372 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:10pm

re: #63 reine.de.tout

I would upding you as many times as possible if I could!

373 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:12pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Leftoid lessons well learned.

374 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:15pm

re: #322 Sharmuta

sun rising over Tehran Iran blocking #iranelection use #iran9 instead

[Link: twitter.com...]

She seems more fearful than the StopAhmadi twitterer I was following today...

375 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:35pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Seething works (again)....
Letterman to apologize to Palin tonight

From reading the transcript of his monologue, it appears he is going to apologize for telling a bad joke. That is the only thing he is sorry about.

376 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:35pm

re: #366 Sharmuta

That's not the first Jefferson quote I've seen from an Iranian on twitter over the past few days. I'm not so sure the rest of the population is up for a Jeffersonian democracy but there is hope.

377 huckfunn  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:47pm

History repeats... two Iranian revolutions thirty years apart and the common thread is that we have two weak, appeasing presidents to deal with them. I don't have a good feeling about this.

378 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:48:50pm
379 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:00pm

I don't wanna' derail so, suffice it to say that I am profoundly grateful for all the kind words, prayers and well-wishes from you Lizards.

I LOVE YOU, LIZARDS!

380 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:10pm
Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (emphysema.)

Hmmm. Prayers for your mom Mandy.

/Even though you threatened to run me through up thread

381 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:18pm

Cognito was unavailable for comment /

382 alegrias  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:20pm

OT
LIVE

US terrorist trustfunded 60s leftist William Ayers attacks Fox News...coming up on Greta Van Susteren's last few minutes tonight.

383 Wendya  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:45pm

re: #353 Bobblehead

Good question. We haven't heard diddly squat from the world's smartest woman lately.

Proving to this agnostic that yes, there is a God.

384 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:50pm

More video

Youtube Video
385 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:56pm

re: #368 albusteve

it turns here...the Rev Guard

That's huge. If they arrest high level officers, the lower level ones will quickly know why and hopefully start to question the arrests and the reasoning behind them.

386 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:49:57pm

re: #305 MandyManners

Real quick so as not to de-rail: mom has/had an infection that her usual Levaquin could not cure. She's on a newer Rx, IV. The down-ward spiral of COPD at this stage is amazing.

Thanks to all of you Lizardds who are keeping her in your thoughts and prayers. I love LGF.

((Mandy)) it`s hard to helplessly watch a parent struggle. I`ve been there.

387 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:00pm

re: #344 reine.de.tout

{mandy}

Our best to her and you.

388 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:11pm

re: #375 Alouette

Appeasement never works anyways. They'll probably get him fired eventually. Then, on to the next........and so on.

389 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:22pm

re: #375 Alouette

From reading the transcript of his monologue, it appears he is going to apologize for telling a bad joke. That is the only thing he is sorry about.

I read he's doing the minimum needed to shut people up, he'd rather do nothing.

390 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:22pm

re: #381 MrPaulRevere

Cognito was unavailable for comment /

LMAO

391 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:34pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Seething works (again)....
Letterman to apologize to Palin tonight

Anything short of him offering up one of his testicles will fall short in my mind.

392 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:40pm

re: #364 OldLineTexan

What did he do? Just seemed stoned to me.

Maybe if he promises not to show up to a thread about serious events while he's crosseyed and giggling, Charles will give him his account back.

He'll probably have forgotten his own password by then though.

393 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:51pm

re: #391 MandyManners

I know.

394 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:50:55pm
395 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:04pm

re: #345 Lee Coller

Karma: -18

enormodome

This user is blocked.

I knew it! I knew I remembered that Charles had a "making sense" requirement.

396 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:11pm

re: #381 MrPaulRevere

Cognito was unavailable for comment /

Did Mr. Nito get himself banned again?

397 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:19pm

re: #385 livefreeor die

That's huge. If they arrest high level officers, the lower level ones will quickly know why and hopefully start to question the arrests and the reasoning behind them.

the power of intimidation can unravel quickly....fortune favors the bold

398 alegrias  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:22pm

re: #370 irongrampa

Surely does show the Mullahs control to be shaky, doen't it?

* * * *
Sure would be great if Iraq next doors could help the unarmed Iranian freedom fighters.

As I've said, Iraq's current president took refuge from Saddam Hussein in Iran for several years, so Iraq owes these freedom fighters some payback help.

399 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:36pm

re: #369 FightingBack

Don't give up hope. I know a lot of people who have come back from there.
Thinking of you.

Folks don't when they keep on smoking.

400 jaunte  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:40pm

From the comment thread at Austin Heap's site:
How To Set Up An Anonymous Proxy For Iranians
Using Squid on Mac OS X
[Link: extrafuture.com...]

401 dapperdave  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:51pm

re: #391 MandyManners

He has none!

402 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:54pm

re: #377 huckfunn

History repeats... two Iranian revolutions thirty years apart and the common thread is that we have two weak, appeasing presidents to deal with them. I don't have a good feeling about this.

Two DEMOCRAT Presidents who are weak and appeasing.

403 3 wood  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:51:58pm

Also, evidence is mounting that Dick Durbin (D, al-Qaida) may have used insider information to direct some stock transactions last fall.

Of course, you know that the SEC and the Attorney General will suddenly be struck deaf dumb and blind.

404 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:06pm

re: #395 Last Mohican

I knew it! I knew I remembered that Charles had a "making sense" requirement.

We're watching history unfolding and it was rambling like it was drunk.

405 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:27pm

anybody seen Cato the elder

anybody asked him how hard he's been laughed at by the JAG lately

406 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:33pm

re: #378 Iron Fist

You do realize that all the rest of your life--however long-is free time after that, I trust.

Exult in that.

407 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:34pm

re: #390 Sharmuta

LMAO

haha!...I don't miss Cognito....Hi Cog!....what's shaken out there?

408 Sparkizzy  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:40pm

We've been waiting for this (revolution) forever, but I guess it needed this catalyst? I always wondered why it wasn't happening.

409 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:42pm

re: #379 MandyManners

I LOVE YOU, LIZARDS!

Likewise Mandy. Warm alohas from deep in the pacific floating your way.

410 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:52:54pm

re: #379 MandyManners

I don't wanna' derail so, suffice it to say that I am profoundly grateful for all the kind words, prayers and well-wishes from you Lizards.

I LOVE YOU, LIZARDS!

We're with you and your mom, my dear.

411 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:53:03pm

re: #392 Zimriel

I'm not worried about him, just morbidly curious.

412 FightingBack  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:53:20pm

re: #399 MandyManners

It's the toughest addiction to break. Heroin is easier.

413 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:53:34pm

re: #380 Dirk Diggler

Hmmm. Prayers for your mom Mandy.

/Even though you threatened to run me through up thread

Thank you, Dirk.

(What else was I to do when you challenged OR? Tell you to unclinch your fist?)

414 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:53:54pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Anything short of him offering up one of his testicles will fall short in my mind.

AT&T / Yahoo proved itself worthless, again, by running stories on my login screen about how this row was boosting Letterman.

Maybe they're angling for some of that sweet bailout cash.

415 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:12pm

Iranian guitar shredder

Youtube Video
416 3 wood  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:19pm

It is looking like Hillary, along with the Messiah, are having their problems answering that 3am phone call.

417 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:22pm

re: #403 3 wood

Also, evidence is mounting that Dick Durbin (D, al-Qaida) may have used insider information to direct some stock transactions last fall.

Of course, you know that the SEC and the Attorney General will suddenly be struck deaf dumb and blind.

I saw some info on that this weekend. Great time to bury it all in the Iranian crisis.

418 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:38pm

Okay, from some of the stuff I've been reading (admittedly very little at this point) Mousavi seems to be no different from Dinnerjacket ideologically speaking. Pro-islamo-theocracy, pro-nuke, anti-Israel.

Is this accurate?

419 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:41pm

re: #398 alegrias

Boy there hasn't been anything from Iraq that I've heard--have you?

420 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:52pm

re: #405 Shug

anybody seen Cato the elder

anybody asked him how hard he's been laughed at by the JAG lately

it was his noble responsibility....what a turd

421 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:54:56pm

Down with the MSM!

422 huckfunn  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:55:13pm

re: #402 FurryOldGuyJeans


Indeed! If history will continue the repeat cycle, maybe we can get a Ronaldus Magnus out of the deal.

423 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:55:41pm

re: #416 3 wood

It is looking like Hillary, along with the Messiah, are having their problems answering that 3am phone call.

crying and being curled into the fatal position makes it hard to answer the phone

424 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:55:54pm

re: #415 Jimmah

Wow, crisp and crunchy!

425 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:55:58pm

re: #386 Spare O'Lake

((Mandy)) it`s hard to helplessly watch a parent struggle. I`ve been there.

I'm watching my mom do that at the same time I'm guiding The Kid through some infuckingsane stuff.

STOP WITH THE OT, PLEASE.

426 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:56:16pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Seething works (again)....
Letterman to apologize to Palin tonight

Letterman works for the same company that Imus used to work for right? Imus made an offhand offensive comment, which he immediately apologized for. He then went to the school and apologized to the women in person. He spent hours meeting with Black leaders apologizing to them. He was still fired.

David Letterman had this joke written down in advance. He has never apologized to Sarah Palin or her family. He still has a job.

Double standard?

427 livefreeor die  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:56:19pm

re: #405 Shug

anybody seen Cato the elder reposter.

anybody asked him how hard he's been laughed at by the JAG lately

FIFY.

428 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:56:21pm

re: #420 albusteve

it was his noble responsibility....what a turd

turds all the world are offended by the comparison

429 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:56:39pm

re: #425 MandyManners

I'm watching my mom do that at the same time I'm guiding The Kid through some infuckingsane stuff.

STOP WITH THE OT, PLEASE.

(((Mandy)))

430 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:56:45pm

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, from some of the stuff I've been reading (admittedly very little at this point) Mousavi seems to be no different from Dinnerjacket ideologically speaking. Pro-islamo-theocracy, pro-nuke, anti-Israel.

Is this accurate?

The mullahs select who can and cannot run for the presidency. I don't believe, however, that the people are protesting in favor of anyone per se, but more they're protesting against the system in general. They want freedom.

431 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:56:51pm

re: #416 3 wood

It is looking like Hillary, along with the Messiah, are having their problems answering that 3am phone call.

Time to have Cheney do some WH call forwarding.

432 J.S.  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:57:09pm
The revolution will be digitized.

That reminds me of the text I read (number of years ago), called: Millennium: A History of Our Last Thousand Years, by Felipe Fernandez-Armesto. Armesto did a "macro history" review...and he wrote about the 1979 Iranian Revolution. If I recall correctly, he linked the Revolution with the latest technological medium at the time...cassette tapes. The cassette tapes were smuggled into Tehran (from Paris, France), and the tapes were the sermons of Khomeini. Armesto detailed what happened during the Revolution (how it was begun by university students, how the students, etc., in the midst of the Revolution threw people from buildings, gunned down others in the streets, etc., etc.) Interesting how things transpire....The "revolutionaries" were all "idealists" or so they claimed...yeah, all "the young people." like Ahamdinejad...

433 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:57:47pm

I'm sorry.

434 Bobblehead  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:57:48pm

re: #422 huckfunn

Indeed! If history will continue the repeat cycle, maybe we can get a Ronaldus Magnus out of the deal.

When you see one coming let me know.

435 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:57:48pm

re: #428 Shug

turds all the world are offended by the comparison

I followed that whole riff and was just really floored...I'm sorry you got hammered like that

436 Rancher  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:57:50pm
The revolution will be digitized.


The blogs are coming, resistance is futile.

Meanwhile in Iran thousands take to the streets and clash with authorities to demand freedom to choose their own destiny.

In L.A. the same thing is going on. Because the Lakers won the championship. We suck.

437 njdhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:05pm

Evening lizards. I see things are getting worse in Iran. They are shooting at everyone now, eh?

438 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:34pm

Photos from Iran

439 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:35pm

re: #378 Iron Fist

{Iron Fist} congrats and hang in there dude.

440 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:39pm

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, from some of the stuff I've been reading (admittedly very little at this point) Mousavi seems to be no different from Dinnerjacket ideologically speaking. Pro-islamo-theocracy, pro-nuke, anti-Israel.

Is this accurate?

It was accurate. Then Mousavi started talking loosening restrictions and improving the nation's image. At that point the theocracy couldn't trust him anymore. If this revolution succeeds, it will end up bigger than Mousavi.

441 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:41pm

re: #426 Racer X

Nah, NO standard.

442 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:58:41pm

I wonder if this is the international crisis that Biden was talking about?

.....it's pretty sad how every major thing that happens, that comment by Biden is brought up.

443 Wendya  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:09pm

re: #426 Racer X

Double standard?

Even though Palin is a woman, she is a conservative and thus must be attacked with twice the viciousness.

As for that prick Letterman, I wouldn't have given that talentless hack any free publicity.

444 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:18pm

(((Mandy)))

445 FightingBack  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:21pm

re: #433 MandyManners

I'm sorry.

No need. You are among friends.

446 3 wood  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:28pm

re: #417 FurryOldGuyJeans

I saw some info on that this weekend. Great time to bury it all in the Iranian crisis.

They will never go after his. But what that will do is embolden others on Congress to do even more insider trading, and then ultimately you will have a big scandal.

Funny thing is, Dick "the Turban" Durban lost money on his trades.

447 dapperdave  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:39pm

re: #426 Racer X

How bout "no standard"?

448 J.S.  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:44pm

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

I believe you are correct...(there was an interview with Fouad Ajami on Lou Dobbs, I'll try to get the transcript...and it's an interesting take...)

449 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:48pm

re: #415 Jimmah

Iranian guitar shredder


[Video]

Awesome! All that, and he's wearing a "Death" t-shirt as well. Come to America, dude! We need more hardcore shredders!

450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 7:59:53pm

re: #380 Dirk Diggler

Where in the heck have you been? Haven't seen you in, forever....

451 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:00:19pm

re: #435 albusteve

I followed that whole riff and was just really floored...I'm sorry you got hammered like that


I was off line
I never worry about anything that happens when I am not there to defend it

I am all about the endzone and I am the nose tackle

and they failed on 4th and 1

452 Dolphin  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:00:29pm

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

The 7th century vs. the 21st. We will win (if left to our own accord, but BHO is going to make sure we don’t.

453 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:00:55pm

Yes it will!

Look at yahoo's picture of Sarah Palin. what a-holes.
[Link: www.yahoo.com...]

454 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:00:59pm
455 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:01:12pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Anything short of him offering up one of his testicles will fall short in my mind.

That guy who insulted Chelsea Clinton got suspended for a couple of weeks didn't he? And we know what happened to Don Imus. But, since the jokester is liberal and the butt of the joke is conservative, nothing more will happen.

456 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:01:13pm

This is the culmination of the information age. It is its own revolution and this genie won't be going back in the bottle.

457 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:01:25pm

re: #433 MandyManners

I'm sorry.

Think nothing of it, you're entitled.

{Mandy}

458 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:01:29pm

re: #430 Sharmuta

I don't believe, however, that the people are protesting in favor of anyone per se, but more they're protesting against the system in general. They want freedom.

Thanks. That seems to be the jist of it.

459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:01:29pm

re: #449 Slumbering Behemoth

My son can do that. He's already here. Please stay in Iran... Teach the shredding... but keep it where it will not affect my son's potential income.

460 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:01:39pm

re: #433 MandyManners

I'm sorry.

Why are you apologizing?

461 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:01:55pm

re: #451 Shug

I was off line
I never worry about anything that happens when I am not there to defend it

I am all about the endzone and I am the nose tackle

and they failed on 4th and 1

good for you...but I'm still pissed

462 3 wood  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:02:01pm

re: #391 MandyManners

I watched my Dad die of couple years ago from a stroke, so I have some idea of how you are feeling.

Hang in there kid and keep talking to her. They can hear you long after the rest of the body shuts down.

463 Sparkizzy  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:02:05pm

Epic Youtube quotes:

Yeh now our media is going to town on Iran for voter fraud! HELLO? does anybody remember when Bush stole BOTH elections using voter fraud.

he kept all the same military policies as Bush. Of course he is a warring president. The democratic and republican parties are both war parties. Read a history book.

This is just like the REnaZiCan Bush/Chaney stolen elections

/spit

464 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:02:21pm

re: #453 FrogMarch

Yes it will!

Look at yahoo's picture of Sarah Palin. what a-holes.
[Link: www.yahoo.com...]

Got a direct link? It's not on the front page any more, from where I'm sitting.

465 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:02:28pm

re: #405 Shug

hey Shug, good to see you.

466 Bobblehead  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:11pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

How come nobody stalks me?

I'll stalk you. Anyone else want to stalk reine?

467 alegrias  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:39pm

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, from some of the stuff I've been reading (admittedly very little at this point) Mousavi seems to be no different from Dinnerjacket ideologically speaking. Pro-islamo-theocracy, pro-nuke, anti-Israel.

Is this accurate?

* * * *
Iran is a POLICE state. These were SHAM elections. Faux "democracy" despite purple fingers at ballot boxes!

468 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:46pm

re: #463 Sparkizzy

Epic Youtube quotes:


/spit

Andrew Sullivan, in between doing great work on aggregating Iranian twitters, let slip some snide remarks about how the thugs' arrest of a foreign journalist was just like Dick Cheney.

No. Class.

469 Racer X  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:52pm

Cat Facts

Cats walk on their toes.
A domestic cat can sprint at about 31 miles per hour.
The heaviest cat on record weighed 46 lbs.

Cats purr at the same frequency as an idling diesel engine, about 26 cycles per second.

470 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:03:58pm

re: #433 MandyManners

I'm sorry.

Don't be. This blog's big enough to deal with the topics and still offer you well wishes and support during a difficult time.

{Mandy}

471 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:04:04pm

re: #466 Bobblehead

I'll stalk you. Anyone else want to stalk reine?

tag team...relentless

472 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:04:04pm
473 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:04:05pm

re: #463 Sparkizzy

Epic Youtube quotes:

/spit

Logic and sanity is not a prerequisite there.

474 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:04:26pm

Yglesias Hits Bottom

more of the anti-intellectual left-wing meme.

475 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:04:40pm

re: #461 albusteve

good for you...but I'm still pissed

I'm not.

I haven't even read what made you pissed.
But I can promise you, whatever pissed you off was from people that are ****s.

and let it go

and thanks for being a freind.
you are a good guy. I have always considred you a friend in the lizard realm. You are a good soul

476 Bobblehead  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:04:43pm

re: #433 MandyManners

Mandy dear..nothing to be sorry about. We luvs ya.

477 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:05:09pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Seething works (again)....

Letterman is an asshole. If he made a crack like that about my 14 YO daughter the gap between his front teeth would get appreciably larger.

478 Gus  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:05:34pm
[I] want to start off by being very clear that it is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran's leaders will be; that we respect Iranian sovereignty[.]

Barack Obama

In the coming months many of the leaders of the protest in Iran will be jailed for life or executed by the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad-Ali Khamenei regime. We will ask then of the president: do you respect Iran's sovereignty now?

479 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:05:35pm

re: #440 Zimriel

It was accurate. Then Mousavi started talking loosening restrictions and improving the nation's image. At that point the theocracy couldn't trust him anymore. If this revolution succeeds, it will end up bigger than Mousavi.

Thanks for the response. I am really behind on this subject.

480 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:05:43pm

re: #464 The Sanity Inspector

Got a direct link? It's not on the front page any more, from where I'm sitting.

hit it a few times. the front page is it. It's subtle but yahoo obviously used the most unflattering photo they could find. /nothing new.

481 Sparkizzy  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:05:58pm

re: FurryOldGuyJeans

Logic and sanity is not a prerequisite there.

There is even more vile conspiracy stuff that I won't bother posting here

482 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:06:10pm

re: #475 Shug

done

483 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:06:44pm

re: #465 nyc redneck

hey Shug, good to see you.

likewise.
How is the big apple ?

do you root for Jets or Giants?

484 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:06:52pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

I know.

HOW SO?

485 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:06:56pm

Iranians are writing "where is my vote," "dictatorial regime" on money and spending it, thus spreading it.

[Link: twitter.com...]

486 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:06:58pm

re: #468 Zimriel

Andrew Sullivan, in between doing great work on aggregating Iranian twitters, let slip some snide remarks about how the thugs' arrest of a foreign journalist was just like Dick Cheney.

No. Class.

The leftists just can't help themselves. No class - willfully ignorant of reality - anti-intellectual - Mouth-breathing.

487 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:07:11pm
488 Rancher  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:07:46pm

Bill O'Reilly just (repeat from earlier) just made reference to a back door deal with Iran that "they quit shooting in Iraq" that could be threatened if Obama comes out in support for the Iranian youths. WTF? First I've heard of this, what's the deal, leave us alone in Iraq and you can have your nukes?

489 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:08:00pm

re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son can do that. He's already here. Please stay in Iran... Teach the shredding... but keep it where it will not affect my son's potential income.

Really. Has he recorded anything I would recognize, or is he still in the "garage" stage of his career?

490 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:08:01pm

re: #474 FrogMarch

Yglesias Hits Bottom

more of the anti-intellectual left-wing meme.

This shouldn't be surprising. The left in this country has always thought that evangelical protestants are a bigger threat than jihadis or Holocaust-denying dictators.

491 Wendya  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:08:34pm

re: #455 The Sanity Inspector

That guy who insulted Chelsea Clinton got suspended for a couple of weeks didn't he? And we know what happened to Don Imus. But, since the jokester is liberal and the butt of the joke is conservative, nothing more will happen.

Life is not fair and we should never expect or demand fairness. That's the left's game.

492 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:08:38pm

re: #460 Sharmuta

Why are you apologizing?

I don't know.

493 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:08:51pm

re: #487 Iron Fist

I had people to stalk my stalkers. There was one dude in Kansas City, though, that I considered seriously going to meet at his workplace.

That would have been amusing.

just remember...you need three retreat exits

494 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:08:52pm

re: #472 taxfreekiller

They need to read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".

495 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:09:16pm

Big thanks to the hillbuzz guys. They work hard for Palin.

496 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:09:34pm

re: #475 Shug

you are one of the best posters here, smart, funny.
the cream rises to the top.

497 brucee  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:09:54pm

Greening Your Facebook Profile

498 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:09:58pm

Fat Bastard Vegetarian,

Where in the heck have you been? Haven't seen you in, forever....

I've been really, really busy with work and life. Haven't been able to post as much.

499 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:10:06pm

re: #470 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't be. This blog's big enough to deal with the topics and still offer you well wishes and support during a difficult time.

{Mandy}

STOP THE TEARS.

500 SteveC  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:10:15pm

re: #454 Iron Fist

Yeah. I'm not afraid of dying. I never expected to make it this far. I turn forty in a couple of weeks.

With a woman I love utterly.

I'm right there with you until the "woman I love..." part. Still looking. Thought I had found a good prospect, but I can read a map. She's a West Coast lady, I'm a Southern boy.

Oh well. Reload, reset, try again!

501 Aye Pod  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:10:22pm

Night folks.

502 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:10:26pm

re: #483 Shug

likewise.
How is the big apple ?

do you root for Jets or Giants?

LOL, neither,
but my husband does, i think.

503 Wendya  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:10:35pm

re: #488 Rancher

Bill O'Reilly just (repeat from earlier) just made reference to a back door deal with Iran that "they quit shooting in Iraq" that could be threatened if Obama comes out in support for the Iranian youths. WTF? First I've heard of this, what's the deal, leave us alone in Iraq and you can have your nukes?

I don't know if there is any validity to that claim but it would not surprise me in the least to find out that people in the administration had opened lines of communications and had been given certain promises in exchange for muting any support for the protesters.

504 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:10:46pm

re: #496 nyc redneck

you are one of the best posters here, smart, funny.
the cream rises to the top.

Where it is promptly churned into butter.

/

505 albusteve  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:11:46pm

re: #504 OldLineTexan

Where it is promptly churned into butter.

/

so Shug is off on the margerine?

506 Dolphin  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:12:08pm

re: #492 MandyManners
DON'T! Don't buckle and don't give up. I am struggling with the same.

507 solomonpanting  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:12:18pm

re: #474 FrogMarch

Yglesias Hits Bottom

more of the anti-intellectual left-wing meme.

Does he even realize that the policies and intent of Ahmadinejad to win over the poor are more akin to the Dems than his target, Palin? What a moron!

508 Sparkizzy  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:15pm

re: brucee

Greening Your Facebook Profile

Sullivan's punching hard

I make no apology for the gruesome nature of these videos. If you do not want to face the reality of what these courageous people are up against, go watch cable news.

509 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:22pm

re: #490 ArchangelMichael

This shouldn't be surprising. The left in this country has always thought that evangelical protestants are a bigger threat than jihadis or Holocaust-denying dictators.

So true. I was forced to have brunch over the weekend with two Obama worshiping leftwing Christian/Catholic hating "friends". (long story)
I had to bite my tongue while they ranted. Why do leftist/democrats feel so open sharing their hatred and ideological bigotry? They just assumed I agreed with them.

510 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:33pm

re: #496 nyc redneck

you are one of the best posters here, smart, funny.
the cream rises to the top.


funny, that's the way I feel about you

you are a bit provocative and I like that. Usually I think people are afraid to ding up some of your comments but when I rean them I do a fist pump and say " Hell yeah"
Ever look at thekiidfrombrooklyn.com
I think he speaks for us

511 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:37pm
512 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:48pm

Tonight's evening Towercam.

I hope the mullahs eat it big time.

513 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:13:48pm

re: #472 taxfreekiller

"If you are near, make it appear that you are far off. If you are far off make it appear as if you are close by.": Sun Tzu.

Actually alot of stuff that says could be easily applied here. Especially what he has to say about deception. Hmmm, going to have to find out which chapters are relevant.

514 dapperdave  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:14:35pm

The one gets booed, gotta love it!
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

515 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:15:23pm

re: #489 Slumbering Behemoth

Really. Has he recorded anything I would recognize, or is he still in the "garage" stage of his career?

You say Garage;
I say Garbage...


I doubt it. Well known in VA by the young "straight edge" crowd shredders....

516 Bobblehead  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:15:25pm

re: #512 Ojoe

Tonight's evening Towercam.

I hope the mullahs eat it big time.

Wow..That is exceptionally beautiful tonight.

517 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:16:07pm

re: #499 MandyManners

Not crying, just sympathizing (a thing I truly suck at conveying). My paternal grandpa died of emphysema.

518 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:16:55pm

re: #504 OldLineTexan

Where it is promptly churned into butter.

/

and promptly used to make a delectable pie crust just like i did this evening.
rhubarb,
and they are fighting over it.

519 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:17:20pm
Youtube Video
520 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:17:43pm

For NYC redneck

lauguage warning

521 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:17:57pm
522 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:18:07pm

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

Is this accurate?


Probably.

523 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:18:20pm

re: #514 dapperdave

The one gets booed, gotta love it!
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

You can't "fix" the health care situation without tackling tort reform. He should have been booed for that.

524 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:18:23pm

re: #507 solomonpanting

Does he even realize that the policies and intent of Ahmadinejad to win over the poor are more akin to the Dems than his target, Palin? What a moron!

And isn't it funny that the left are suddenly noticing Ahmadinejad is evil.
Where have they been?
A few years ago The left kinda liked Ahmadinejad. Remember? They thought he was cool! Of course the left never mention Ahmadinejad's desire to wipe Israel off the map. Doesn't fit the narrative.

525 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:18:36pm

re: #510 Shug

funny, that's the way I feel about you

you are a bit provocative and I like that. Usually I think people are afraid to ding up some of your comments but when I rean them I do a fist pump and say " Hell yeah"
Ever look at thekiidfrombrooklyn.com
I think he speaks for us

i;m going to check out thekidfrombrooklyn.com.

526 FightingBack  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:19:10pm

re: #523 Mich-again

Booed Louder.

527 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:19:19pm

re: #515 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Straight Edge, even. Good for him, there'll be plenty of time to get loaded when he's retired.
/

528 irongrampa  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:19:35pm

re: #511 Iron Fist

Heh. Been my experience that when the static bringers have to walk the talk, most can't even get off their knees.

529 dapperdave  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:20:17pm

re: #523 Mich-again

I hope the whole health care thing comes to nothing just like it did when Hillary took a shot at it back in the 90's.

530 pegcity  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:20:26pm

re: #524 FrogMarch

And isn't it funny that the left are suddenly noticing Ahmadinejad is evil.
Where have they been?
A few years ago The left kinda liked Ahmadinejad. Remember? They thought he was cool! Of course the left never mention Ahmadinejad's desire to wipe Israel off the map. Doesn't fit the narrative.

the left are like newsweek, they think they are the bringers of information even though they are usually 2 years behind

531 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:20:32pm

ot: Obama: Shameless liar.
no matter- come worship.

532 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:20:38pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Anything short of him offering up one of his testicles will fall short in my mind.

He doesn't have any balls to give.

533 Gus  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:20:55pm

re: #523 Mich-again

You can't "fix" the health care situation without tackling tort reform. He should have been booed for that.

Correct. Trial attorneys are one of the biggest contributors to the DNC. There will be no tort reform coming from congress or the White House.

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:21:18pm

re: #527 Slumbering Behemoth

He's 24 too. Doesn't smoke, drink... I just kinda hope he gets laid...but I don't think so. I said something to him about moral compass once, he said, "Heck, with the folks I hang with, I am moral compass."

Hate the music...adore the son.

535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:21:46pm

re: #532 Alouette

ZING!

536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:22:41pm

re: #533 Gus 802

Wait til the gubment is getting sued for medical malpractice. That'll change.

537 pegcity  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:24:00pm

re: #536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wait til the gubment is getting sued for medical malpractice. That'll change.

um were talking about Obama here, they will just change the law to suit them, or send ACORN

538 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:24:25pm
539 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:24:34pm

re: #405 Shug

{{{{{{ Shug }}}}}}

Now I know why I ♥ you!

540 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:25:39pm

re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just kinda hope he gets laid...

Isn't that what all fathers want for their sons?
/

541 nyc redneck  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:26:57pm

re: #529 dapperdave

I hope the whole health care thing comes to nothing just like it did when Hillary took a shot at it back in the 90's.

i don't think he is going to succeed in grabbing health care.
people are waking up. especially baby boomers who are looking at what the gov't did social security. something they were counting on.
let o fix s.s. before he tries to ruin health care.

542 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:30:01pm

re: #537 pegcity

um were talking about Obama here, they will just change the law to suit them, or send ACORN

There is something really squirrelly about that comment!

Youtube Video
543 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:30:16pm

re: #509 FrogMarch

So true. I was forced to have brunch over the weekend with two Obama worshiping leftwing Christian/Catholic hating "friends". (long story)
I had to bite my tongue while they ranted. Why do leftist/democrats feel so open sharing their hatred and ideological bigotry? They just assumed I agreed with them.

They have demonized all other points of view. Anyone who supports things with a left-wing fatwa on them need not be tolerated, despite how "tolerant" they claim to be. If you seem reasonable or likable to them, you obviously must not be one of them.

I know this well. I'm not a Christian, but I have to sit through anti-Christian (as in completely over the top so as to make me annoyed) and/or pro-socialism rants of varying nature from at least 60% of the people I know from time to time.

544 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:30:16pm
545 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:32:42pm

re: #544 Iron Fist

Sorry IF, that one goes right over my head. "Backstop"? Something tells me there is much more to this story then you are sharing.

546 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:45:45pm

re: #541 nyc redneck

I agree, and there will be far fewer MD's and RN's trained.

As a senior citizen, who also has Type II diabetic, I fear the future, if The One is allowed to submit a bill that Congress would pass. All I ask for is that Jane and John Q. Public be given the same health insurance that our tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$'s pay for, for Congress, etc. No more, no less.

We have the power to develop so many cures for a myriad of diseases, yet so much research is done abroad. With Obama in office? 'Yes, we can' has become 'Oh, no we can't'. Damn, I have 4 kids, 3 grandkids and daughters in law and a son in law. One granddaughter was a micro preemie, and has mild CP, but she does everything, after more surgeries than I can count. She will need eye surgery at a certain point, and to add to the pot? She has a genetic disease. She is a very bright, very sweet 9 year old, and most of her surgeries were done at Special Surgery in Manhattan...what will happen to my personal hero? And my kids, etc.? NY Grampa is also a Type II. I am on insulin, and have to be for the rest of my life. I wonder what all the elderly in FL, who voted for The One, are thinking now?

'Socialized medicine'? Ha! Very unsocial non-care seems to fit the category better.

/End of rant......I think.

547 Shug  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:52:57pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

To all the 101st Keyboarders, armchair generals, circle-jerking second-guessers and semi-professional ODSers

Hey you piece of shit " you never seved. as did never did ( ad I never use the terms you do ) . so stop acting like you did with the terms of a badass.

you are a piece of shit who never walked the walk so act like it

548 Rancher  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 8:57:18pm

re: #547 Shug

Hey you piece of shit " you never seved. as did never did ( ad I never use the terms you do ) . so stop acting like you did with the terms of a badass.

you are a piece of shit who never walked the walk so act like it

?

549 BatGuano  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:07:12pm

The revolution will be televised. I'm late to the thread.

550 muddywood  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 9:45:48pm

Little Brother is watching Big Brother.

551 Silvergirl  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:09:00pm

re: #445 FightingBack

No need. You are among friends.

So you remember "Love Story"?

"Love means never having to say you're sorry."

552 Silvergirl  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:13:08pm

re: #524 FrogMarch

And isn't it funny that the left are suddenly noticing Ahmadinejad is evil.
Where have they been?
A few years ago The left kinda liked Ahmadinejad. Remember? They thought he was cool! Of course the left never mention Ahmadinejad's desire to wipe Israel off the map. Doesn't fit the narrative.

Some lefty acquaintances of mine said Ahmadinejad is hot.

553 pbird  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:25:53pm

re: #96 enormodome

done for tonight. mybitch is waiting.

naughty

554 pbird  Mon, Jun 15, 2009 10:37:58pm

re: #153 OldLineTexan

the essence of stalking is silence the furtive shadowed glimpse even too much too solid too real no the silent footfall the tread unheard the breath unbreathed the absolute chilling silence not even known in deep space where supernovas scream death agonies across immortals lifetimes the prey is completely aware of unawareness the lack of noise is proof of the stalker it is the thought of the sudden hand that kills the hand itself is clean

I stalks you all!

555 Barflytom  Tue, Jun 16, 2009 12:09:37am

I just watched Obamas' comments on current events in Iran, and assumed for a minute that it was a parody of an idiot pretending to be "president". How did the most powerful nation on earth end up with this illiterate inarticulate buffoon as head of state ? The clip posted was 4 minutes 39 seconds long, and the idiot said NOTHING in that whole time.
He has nothing to say about one of the most significant developments in the middle east / asia / "muslim world" in decades.

Too depressing to think about. I have never had a very high opinion of Obama, but after hearing this drivel my regard for him is even lower - and that's saying something.

556 Bryntröll  Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:58:11am

Hope this doesn't get a sad ending.

557 AreaMan  Tue, Jun 16, 2009 2:54:32am

Support Iran This Way

1. Print out a bunch of support photos or symbols and have a crowd hold them as protest signs. Take a snapshot of your crowd.

2. Send your crowd photos to Iran or put them on a flickr page for the Iranians to print out. They can use them in their demonstrations. Just seeing the pictures will give them a boost.

558 Sacred Plants  Tue, Jun 16, 2009 4:32:56am

re: #412 FightingBack

It's the toughest addiction to break. Heroin is easier.

World´s top consumer of heroin: Persia (4 tons/day).
World´s top interceptor of heroin: Persia (80%).

A Janus-faced country, the junkie among the nations, and the spoilt Mr. Clean as well.

/don´t slash your wrists please

559 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 16, 2009 8:56:46am

The only way a revolution can succeed nowadays is if the military sides with the people or if the government, seeing the writing on the wall, predicts that it cannot count on the military.

Napoleon gave the crowd in Paris a whiff of grapeshot, and it was all over. The Russian Army garrison in St. Petersburg went over to the revolution.

Saddam Hussein put down revolts by the Shia, who were by a wide margin the majority of Iraq. We stood by and watched. Not our fight, though we kind of hoped they'd win.

This unrest in Iran might topple the government, but history suggests that this is far from a sure thing. Let's not get our hopes up, and lets' not encourage young idealists to bet their lives that we'll come to their aid.

We won't.

560 dannyhiggs  Tue, Jun 16, 2009 9:23:28am

I owe many things to the internet. Politically, I have been able to reinforce my conservative beliefs while still opening my mind on other issues that I didn't even know about. It certainly beats getting all your info from the MSM

561 GreatWizard  Tue, Jun 16, 2009 1:06:08pm

Yea the world is watching. It's very good at watching actually. If only the Mullahs cared that they are being watched, or if the world actually did anything to help one way or another.

I think we're lucky Ahmedinijad got elected again. The nuclear program with a scary face at the had has more chances of being stopped then when a so called reformist is in office. Hezbollah was funded by Chattami as well, and the Nuclear programs were advanced too.

First post here by the way :-) Nice to meet you all.


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