Iranian Fauxtography Watch

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Several LGF readers emailed about this photo published by an Iranian newspaper and posted on several Twitter feeds, which was apparently Photoshopped to make the crowd look larger. It does look like a pretty clear example of photo manipulation, but so far I haven’t been able to discover which newspaper it comes from, or who took the photo; there’s a lot of disinformation being pushed out via Twitter, so take this with a grain of sodium chloride.

UPDATE at 6/17/09 12:00:47 pm:

Zombie has more details.

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387 comments
1 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:10:28am

Image: IsHeHereYet.gif

2 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:11:22am

Why let the truth come out when a lie, and a crude one at that, serve better the purpose of holding onto power?

3 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:11:32am

How juvenile of them!

4 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:11:59am

I don’t believe it!

/

Youtube Video
5 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:12:13am

Ahmadinejad is foisting phony photos on the Iranian media and the world? I’m shocked, shocked!

6 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:12:25am

I don’t think we need a very large grain of salt for this one. I mean come on they do have a history with photoshop.

7 SummerSong  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:12:46am

They have no shame.

8 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:13:25am

We are getting a cloudy view of what is actually happening there. I hope the protests continue and get larger and larger. The people have the power, they just don’t know it yet.

9 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:13:44am

re: #5 quickjustice

Ahmadinejad is foisting phony photos on the Iranian media and the world? I’m shocked, shocked!

We can’t be sure this is some official Iranian release, it could be some anti-government propaganda trying to cast Ahmadinejad in a bad light.

/ FMSM excuse

10 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:14:27am

I think the thing that bothers me most about these photoshops is the fact that there’s a good portion of the population who believe it’s true, even when the facts have been thrust in front of them proving the exact opposite. They’ve been so spoonfed for years that they can’t live their lives any other way.

11 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:15:13am

re: #5 quickjustice

Ahmadinejad is foisting phony photos on the Iranian media and the world? I’m shocked, shocked!

Youtube Video
12 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:15:29am

re: #10 MrSilverDragon

I think the thing that bothers me most about these photoshops is the fact that there’s a good portion of the population who believe it’s true, even when the facts have been thrust in front of them proving the exact opposite. They’ve been so spoonfed for years that they can’t live their lives any other way.

They WANT to believe its true, so they accept it. They change reality to fit their perceptions.

13 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:15:33am

Predictable….
Iran accuses US of interference in election feud

Iran has accused the United States of “intolerable” meddling in its internal affairs, alleging for the first time that Washington has fueled a bitter post-election dispute.

A state television channel in Iran says the government summoned the Swiss ambassador, who represents U.S. interests in Iran, to complain about American interference. The two countries broke off diplomatic relations after the 1979 Islamic Revolution. An English-language state-run channel quoted the government as calling Western interference “intolerable.”

I know a lot of people wanted some grand saber rattling screed from Obama but I think he made the wight move.

14 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:15:44am

It doesn’t necessarily have to be a newspaper, but a pamphlet sent around by Ahmadinejad’s supporters.

It’s par for the course in any event.

Ahmadinejad’s thugs have taken to photo editing quite a bit in their tenure in power - from missile launches (to covering up failed ones), to using photos of other events and claiming them as their own.

15 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:16:03am

This one - from today’s demo, doesn’t look photoshopped.
But then, its not the dinnerjacket crowd …

16 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:16:16am

If the photo was originally a medium close shot of the crowd, and still needed to be ‘Shopped, that’s pretty pitiful.

17 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:17:01am

RT protestors in the streets of Tehran are carrying placards that read "Annulment of the election is our right" #iranelection

18 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:17:10am

The Nazis were better at this sort of thing. When Goebbels wanted a crowd scene, the Ortsleiter all asked how many people to send. And that was how many he got.

19 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:17:27am

Come on, people.

Anyone gullible enough to believe that the mullahs would distribute a photoshopped document would be gullible enough to believe that the Tiffany Network would distribute a doctored Texas Air National Guard memo.

I mean, really, what are the odds of that?

20 J.S.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:17:36am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

that’s a “right” move…yes..

21 Baier  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:18:12am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Predictable….
Iran accuses US of interference in election feud

I know a lot of people wanted some grand saber rattling screed from Obama but I think he made the wight move.

Obama did the wrong thing. Iran is accusing him of interference even though he came out in support of the sham-wow election.
These are people willing to die for free elections. Obama is a fantastic coward.

22 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:18:15am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

American interference? Are you kidding me? The statement made by President Obama was a bare minimum, and as I’ve repeatedly pointed out over the past few days, Obama could say something that supports freedom and human rights that doesn’t reflect on the Iranian internal politics.

As it is, Ahmadinejad’s flacks were going to claim external forces - the US - were behind the demonstrations in any event. It’s a bogeyman that never goes away. If the US said nothing, they’d still find a way to blame the US for the violence.

After all, the Iranians just released Saberi and are still holding the Alaei brothers - all of whom were accused of actions to overthrow the government. They were trumped up charges, but that’s the groundwork that was laid.

23 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:18:22am

[Link: twitter.com…]

according to the coordination of ministry of Interrior&Khamane from tonight police will not work any more&Sepah will control the country

Sepah is the Army. Things may get interesting here soon.

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:18:51am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

So the US gets blamed for causing trouble yet in fact did nothing. Yup, that’s the right thing.

25 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:19:17am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Predictable….
Iran accuses US of interference in election feud

I know a lot of people wanted some grand saber rattling screed from Obama but I think he made the wight move.

I wish Obama would start interfering. Too much could backfire on him though. I would not do it by rattling sabers, but by stoking the fire of the protesters….GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO HOLD ON TOO. He is being too cautious. What if the Mullahs and/or Dinnerjacket hold on to power? So what, they are not negotiating anything with Obama anyway….why not rally the FREE world to the cause in Iran? What does he have to lose?

26 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:19:31am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

The IRGC answers to Ahmadinejad - it’s his cronies in charge.

27 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:19:36am

re: #22 lawhawk

The statement made by President Obama was a bare minimum,


Yes, he didn’t want to give them a soundbite to back up the accusation.

28 RadicalRon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:19:49am
so far I haven’t been able to discover which newspaper it comes from, or who took the photo

Sounds like the perfect assignment for the premier fauxtography sleuth. What say you, zombie? It’s been awhile since the ‘street’ was pissed off atchya.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that or anything. ;-)

29 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:19:59am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

An accusation of “meddling” from the dictatorial madmen in the regime is a justification for Obama’s public disinterest in the nascent citizen ‘s revolt? Not to me.

30 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:20:06am

Iranian blog in Persian. Can anyone translate?

31 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:20:29am
32 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:20:41am

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans

So the US gets blamed for causing trouble yet in fact did nothing. Yup, that’s the right thing.

And I forgot the /sarc tag, big time. Doing nothing is not the right thing, but is the Obama way for confronting tough decisions.

33 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:20:46am

re: #7 SummerSong

They have no shame.


That’s why Jimmy Carter feels so comfortable around them.

34 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:20:48am

I just wonder if those people are they because they really support dinnerjacket, or they’re there out of fear.

35 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:21:08am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Predictable….
Iran accuses US of interference in election feud


I know a lot of people wanted some grand saber rattling screed from Obama but I think he made the wight move.


Due to the fact that there are prostests the mullahs and Ahmedinijad were going to accuse the USA of meddling no matter if 0bama said nothing,, said we backed the Mullahs, said we backed the protesters, or even backed Amedinijad for winning “an open and fair election”. What most here are calling for is NOT sabre rattling or force, but to have 0bama clearly state that no gov’t should be repressive of people to demonstrate free and openly

36 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:22:16am

re: #21 Baier

Obama did the wrong thing. Iran is accusing him of interference even though he came out in support of the sham-wow election.
These are people willing to die for free elections. Obama is a fantastic coward.

would you mind terribly giving some quotes of Obama saying the election was valid and and Ahmalphabet was elected properly? or even some quotes of him supporting the results of the election. I’d be very curious to see them.

37 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:22:25am

re: #35 sattv4u2

Due to the fact that there are prostests the mullahs and Ahmedinijad were going to accuse the USA of meddling no matter if 0bama said nothing,, said we backed the Mullahs, said we backed the protesters, or even backed Amedinijad for winning “an open and fair election”. What most here are calling for is NOT sabre rattling or force, but to have 0bama clearly state that no gov’t should be repressive of people to demonstrate free and openly


He really doesn’t like to speak unless it is about himself.

38 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:22:33am

re: #34 Sharmuta

I just wonder if those people are they because they really support dinnerjacket, or they’re there out of fear.

My personal opinion in reference to that is “a little from column A, a little from column B.”

39 Baier  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:22:36am

re: #34 Sharmuta

I just wonder if those people are they because they really support dinnerjacket, or they’re there out of fear.

I think there are a lot of traditional people in Iran that don’t want to be westernized that support him. Also, the 1979 revolution didn’t happen in a vacuum. It’s hard to believe though, right?

40 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:22:58am

re: #34 Sharmuta

I just wonder if those people are they because they really support dinnerjacket, or they’re there out of fear.

There are factions in the country that are behind Mahmoud 100%, just as there are gor Mousavi, and just as there are for none of the above

41 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:23:06am

re: #29 Lincolntf

An accusation of “meddling” from the dictatorial madmen in the regime is a justification for Obama’s public disinterest in the nascent citizen ‘s revolt? Not to me.

The fact that the Iranians are saying anything about the US meddling in another country is pathetic. Lebanon anyone? Hamas anyone? They have their evil tentacles all over the place…screw them! This is an opportunity for the people of Iran to drop their shackles and chains and get rid of the corrupt and evil leadership they currently have.

42 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:24:12am

OT but Ensign just resigned his leadership position.

43 Baier  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:24:15am

re: #36 bloodstar

would you mind terribly giving some quotes of Obama saying the election was valid and and Ahmalphabet was elected properly? or even some quotes of him supporting the results of the election. I’d be very curious to see them.

Look at the top links on the LGF homepage, Krauthammer explains it well on a link someone posted.

44 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:24:44am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Predictable….
Iran accuses US of interference in election feud

I know a lot of people wanted some grand saber rattling screed from Obama but I think he made the wight move.


Racist.
/

45 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:25:07am

I’m sorry y’all but I’ve suddenly got problems MAJOR problems I just found out about - can someone please tell me how does it help dinnerjacket to put out photos of MUCH larger crowds of people protesting the election?

46 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:25:21am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

We’re talking past each other. Obama’s failure to say anything in a timely fashion is because of a willing failure on his part to step up and support liberty over tyranny. He could have spoken in terms of liberty and freedom and human rights - on the scope of his Cairo speech, but he didn’t.

Besides, so what if the regime claims that the US is meddling in the elections. It’s what they would do in any event. They already laid that groundwork previously. They trump up charges against Alaei brothers, Saberi, etc., and now they roll them out again. It’s what dictatorships and totalitarian regimes do.

Obama could point out the splendidly obvious, but that’s meddling? Sorry, I don’t buy it, and it certainly isn’t going to make it easier for the regime to crack down on the opposition. We already know that the regime is more than willing to lie to further its agenda, so we’re left with the fact that Obama chose to tacitly support the Ahmadinejad claims, and has steadily backed off that as the election fraud claims became more than just claims, but factual.

47 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:25:59am

Forgive the tech interruption, but the iPhone 3.0 OS upgrade just now went live. I’ve been checking all morning, as today was the release date they announced.

You get it through iTunes. Info here.

48 Baier  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:26:43am

re: #45 realwest

I’m sorry y’all but I’ve suddenly got problems MAJOR problems I just found out about - can someone please tell me how does it help dinnerjacket to put out photos of MUCH larger crowds of people protesting the election?

These are of the pro-dinnerjacket rally.

49 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:26:46am

re: #45 realwest

It’s to show that he has more support, to supposedly back up his electoral “victory”. It’s also to counter the huge crowds at the anti-Ahmadinejad rallies.

50 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:26:59am

“…so far I haven’t been able to discover which newspaper it comes from…”

From the thread under the photo (click on it):

Photo was on front page of Kayhan on June 9th, before election. [Link: bit.ly…] Similar case: [Link: bit.ly…]

Not sure if this is true.

51 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:27:13am

re: #45 realwest

I’m sorry y’all but I’ve suddenly got problems MAJOR problems I just found out about - can someone please tell me how does it help dinnerjacket to put out photos of MUCH larger crowds of people protesting the election?


I think they are trying to make crowds of his supporters look bigger. Hope everything is alright with you and your problems get resolved soon.

52 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:27:34am

re: #42 soxfan4life

OT but Ensign just resigned his leadership position.

If he was a Dem, he would not have had to. The left is a bit more forgiving of affairs and the like, plus the guy was actually separated from his wife at the time. If he was my guy, I’d cut him some slack if he was doing a good job with his constituents.

53 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:27:46am

Iran and Democracy

Cartoon. “Sorry, I don’t like to meddle.”

54 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:27:51am

re: #42 soxfan4life

OT but Ensign just resigned his leadership position.

Good ,,,
Now, when can we expect dems who are accused of criminal wrongdoing to do the same?

{cricktes}

55 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:28:00am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

[Link: twitter.com…]

Sepah is the Army. Things may get interesting here soon.

Not exactly the army, they are the Revolutionary Guards.

56 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:28:28am

re: #45 realwest

I’m sorry y’all but I’ve suddenly got problems MAJOR problems I just found out about - can someone please tell me how does it help dinnerjacket to put out photos of MUCH larger crowds of people protesting the election?

Those are the counter/ pro Amedinijad crowd

57 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:28:29am

re: #47 Cato the Elder

Forgive the tech interruption, but the iPhone 3.0 OS upgrade just now went live. I’ve been checking all morning, as today was the release date they announced.

You get it through iTunes. Info here.

P.S. As you might expect, it’s running slow, but I’m doing it in the background. Current estimate: ten minutes for the remaining 140 MB (!).

58 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:28:38am

re: #53 midwestgak

Iran and Democracy

Cartoon. “Sorry, I don’t like to meddle.”

That sums it up……Obama giving the protesters the finger

59 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:28:55am

As Rudy Guiliani said, when things get tough “Call John McCain.”

60 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:29:28am

re: #45 realwest

I’m sorry y’all but I’ve suddenly got problems MAJOR problems I just found out about - can someone please tell me how does it help dinnerjacket to put out photos of MUCH larger crowds of people protesting the election?

Discredit the movement?

61 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:29:43am

re: #45 realwest

re: #56 sattv4u2

Those are the counter/ pro Amedinijad crowd

ooopppss ,, didn’t phrase that right

Those are supposed to be the PRO dinnerjacket/ counter to the anti dinnerjacket people

62 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:29:59am

Picture from today’s rally

[Link: twitpic.com…]

63 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:30:17am

re: #52 avanti

If he was a Dem, he would not have had to. The left is a bit more forgiving of affairs and the like, plus the guy was actually separated from his wife at the time. If he was my guy, I’d cut him some slack if he was doing a good job with his constituents.


I have mixed feelings on it. Certainly shows a lack of integrity and for that any of them regardless of party should get the boot when their reelection rolls around. But having an affair as long as it is outside of regular working hours is private and should have no bearing on their job performance.

64 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:30:40am

Only 50-something in, but has anyone posted about this?:
ABC to change to “OBC”

65 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:30:49am

re: #58 Desert Dog

That sums it up……Obama giving the protesters the finger

I didn’t see the finger - to over the top maybe?

66 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:31:06am

re: #45 realwest

I’m sorry y’all but I’ve suddenly got problems MAJOR problems I just found out about - can someone please tell me how does it help dinnerjacket to put out photos of MUCH larger crowds of people protesting the election?

They’re not the protesters, he allegedly put out fauxtographs of much larger crowds supporting him.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:31:21am

re: #62 Sharmuta

Picture from today’s rally

[Link: twitpic.com…]

Thanks.

More here.

[Link: twitpic.com…]

68 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:31:30am

re: #58 Desert Dog

That sums it up……Obama giving the protesters America the finger


More like it.

69 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:31:35am
70 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:33:08am

Iran election turnouts exceeded 100% in 30 towns, website reports

Turnouts of more than 100% were recorded in at least 30 Iranian towns in last week’s disputed presidential election, opposition sources have claimed.

In the most specific allegations of rigging yet to emerge, the centrist Ayandeh website – which stayed neutral during the campaign – reported that 26 provinces across the country showed participation figures so high they were either hitherto unheard of in democratic elections or in excess of the number of registered electors.

Chicago politics goes international.

71 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:33:26am

re: #45 realwest
Hey Real…
You OK?

72 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:33:55am

re: #70 Sharmuta

Iran election turnouts exceeded 100% in 30 towns, website reports

Chicago politics goes international.

Must have found some mass graves.
/

73 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:34:11am

re: #69 taxfreekiller

Obama could use Lt. for life John F. Kerry for his spokes person on the deal in Iran, after all he has experience in lies and leaving good people behind to be beat and killed by mad dog dictators.

Good Democrat liberals should stick together IMO.


Drill Sergeants yelling about hand grenade image comes to mind.

74 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:34:25am

Did the comment numbers suddenly explode in size or has my mind and browser gone mad?

75 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:34:40am
76 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:35:29am

re: #65 unrealizedviewpoint

I didn’t see the finger - to over the top maybe?

Symbolically, he told the protesters they are on their own. If that is not saying F*CK YOU, I do not know what is. Obama is being too cautious…he needs to load up the TOTUS and start saying some motivating Hopey and Changey things to these people. This is probably the only chance the world will get to get rid of the current government without having to invade and bomb the crap out of them….THIS is the moment we’ve been waiting for.

77 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:35:40am

In response to Ahmadinejad calling Mousavi supporters “brushwood and thorns” at the victory rally Monday, Iran’s most famous classical musician has ordered that Iranian government television/radio never play his music again. Mohammad Reza Shajarian told BBC Persian in an interview:

“Don’t broadcast my voice on Seda va Sima [IRIB Music channel] ever again: my voice is like brushwood and thorns, and it will forever remain brushwood and thorns!”

The line has also angered Iran’s top conservatives. “Habibollah Askaroladi, a member of Iran’s Expediency Council, has said that no person created by God can be called ‘brushwood and thorns.’ Askaroladi is a member of the central committee of the Islamic Coalition Party, one of the main conservative parties in Iran.”

78 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:35:50am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Yes, he didn’t want to give them a soundbite to back up the accusation.

But he gave them their sound bites. They are speaking his words back at him: “meddling,” “interference.” BHO could have spoken strongly in favor of the protesters - like Reagan did for the Solidarity protesters - but that’s way above BHO’s pay grade.

79 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:36:02am
Saeed writes that protestors in the streets of Tehran are carrying placards that read “Annulment of the election is our right” — a play on Ahmadinejad’s slogan “Nuclear power is our right”.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

80 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:36:46am

re: #77 insanity police

The line has also angered Iran’s top conservatives. “Habibollah Askaroladi, a member of Iran’s Expediency Council, has said that no person created by God can be called ‘brushwood and thorns.’ Askaroladi is a member of the central committee of the Islamic Coalition Party, one of the main conservative parties in Iran.”

But, it’s okay to call Jews apes and pigs.

81 turn  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:37:09am

re: #45 realwest

Please tell turn the comment about problems had to do with not being able to understand why dinnerjacket would photoshop this. Otherwise this is not good my friend.

82 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:37:10am

Thank you Baier and lawhawk and anyone else who answered - I’m sorry I just didn’t get that the photoshops are of crowds supposedly SUPPORTING Dinnerjacket.
Sorry y’all.

83 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:37:47am

re: #70 Sharmuta

Iran election turnouts exceeded 100% in 30 towns, website reports

Chicago politics goes international.

What the hell did they do? Hire a lower-level Cook County staffer as a consultant? They could’ve done better and kept it more low-key by shelling out the big bucks for Rich Daley or Todd Stroger.

84 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:38:09am

re: #80 MandyManners

But, it’s okay to call Jews apes and pigs.


Well it’s not like they are real people or anything.//////////////

85 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:38:09am

re: #82 realwest

Stop scaring us like that!

86 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:38:15am

re: #35 sattv4u2

Due to the fact that there are prostests the mullahs and Ahmedinijad were going to accuse the USA of meddling no matter if 0bama said nothing,, said we backed the Mullahs, said we backed the protesters, or even backed Amedinijad for winning “an open and fair election”. What most here are calling for is NOT sabre rattling or force, but to have 0bama clearly state that no gov’t should be repressive of people to demonstrate free and openly

For KT and the lefties here that is very much saber rattling. US ideals are to apologized for, not promoted.

87 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:38:23am

re: #81 turn
No turn, the problems are not related to dinnerjacket or Iran or even politics I suppose.

88 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:38:26am

re: #80 MandyManners

But, it’s okay to call Jews apes and pigs.

Irony is lost on them.

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:38:27am

I can see trying to send something out there to fool a couple of people. Worldwide? Really?

90 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:38:39am

If a major crackdown begins with the Revolutionary Guard toward the protesters, do we send in Special Forces? Or does Israel bomb the nuke sites? It seems to me, there’s a chance to further the chaos, while trying to help the protesters.

91 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:38:56am

re: #53 midwestgak

Iran and Democracy

Cartoon. “Sorry, I don’t like to meddle.”

The implication in the cartoon is that the POTUS could magically fix a election dispute by some simple action, and I only wish it was that simple. One word of support for either side in the internal strife would be very dangerous.
Assume his words could rally the protesters, what could we realistically do if the government clamped down further ? Even if we assume half the country was protesting, the other half would rally round the government if the US stepped in to help.

92 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:39:33am

re: #90 Mr. In get Mr. Out

If a major crackdown begins with the Revolutionary Guard toward the protesters, do we send in Special Forces? Or does Israel bomb the nuke sites? It seems to me, there’s a chance to further the chaos, while trying to help the protesters.


I think sending in the SF guys to secure the nuclear facilities would be a smart tactical move.

93 turn  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:39:39am

re: #71 reloadingisnotahobby

I see I wasn’t the only one who found his post a bit disturbing.

94 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #93 turn

Real is Family………..
Off to lunch!
Hope and prayers for RW!

95 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:40:50am

A horrible situation isn’t complete without some fauxtography.

96 turn  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:40:55am

re: #74 unrealizedviewpoint

Did the comment numbers suddenly explode in size or has my mind and browser gone mad?

Is there a hot dog talking to you?

97 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:41:02am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Obama already has apologized for U.S. meddling. He wouldn’t dare meddle with the people with whom he’ll cut a deal selling out the Iranian people within the next few months.

98 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:41:06am
99 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:41:12am

Haven’t read the thread so I apologize if I’m repeating what any of y’all have said.
But since Dinnerjacket - IF he pulls this overthrow of the Mullah’s off, doesn’t that mean he would lack any “religious authority” and would in fact be just like Saddam Hussein in Iraq? And doesn’t that, in some ways, make it easier to deal with Iran - shit, sorry, keep forgetting Obama is the President.
nevermind.

100 Baier  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:41:30am

re: #91 avanti

The implication in the cartoon is that the POTUS could magically fix a election dispute by some simple action, and I only wish it was that simple. One word of support for either side in the internal strife would be very dangerous.
Assume his words could rally the protesters, what could we realistically do if the government clamped down further ? Even if we assume half the country was protesting, the other half would rally round the government if the US stepped in to help.

There is not greater cause than risking your life for freedom. Obama is a coward who does not understand that.

101 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:41:38am

Iran: Filmmakers claim Mousavi won election

Brussels, 16 June (AKI) - Two Iranian filmmakers on Tuesday presented a document to Green Party MPs in the European parliament claiming to show that defeated presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi had received over 19 million votes in the weekend election.

Marjane Satrapi, Iranian author and director and Mohsen Makhmalbaf, an Iranian filmmaker and Mousavi spokesman, presented a document that they claimed had come from the Iranian electoral commission.

The document said liberal cleric and former parliament speaker Mehdi Karroubi came second in the election with a total of 13.3 million votes, while president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came third with only 5.49 million votes.

However, there is no certainty about the legitimacy of the document.

Copy of the document is here.

102 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:41:57am

re: #45 realwest

I’m sorry y’all but I’ve suddenly got problems MAJOR problems I just found out about - can someone please tell me how does it help dinnerjacket to put out photos of MUCH larger crowds of people protesting the election?

Supposed to be photos of people supporting him.

103 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:41:57am
104 turn  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:42:22am

re: #87 realwest

No turn, the problems are not related to dinnerjacket or Iran or even politics I suppose.

Oh no real, my heart just sunk. Stay strong, we’re all hoping for the best for you.

105 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:42:37am

re: #74 unrealizedviewpoint

Did the comment numbers suddenly explode in size or has my mind and browser gone mad?

I believe Charles might have inflated the comment numbers.

106 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:42:38am

re: #98 taxfreekiller

You can not keep a coward from cowardly ways.

tfk June 2009

Just imagine the apology tour he could go on if JFK were his VP or Sec State.

107 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:42:39am

re: #96 turn

Is there a hot dog talking to you?

I think it’s screaming at him.

108 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:43:14am
109 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:43:18am
It does look like a pretty clear example of photo manipulation, but so far I haven’t been able to discover which newspaper it comes from, or who took the photo; there’s a lot of disinformation being pushed out via Twitter, so take this with a grain of sodium chloride.

Charles, the Twitter photo was taken from this Iranian blogger’s page,called Kheirkhah. He claims the the photo came from the front page of this Iranian newspaper, “Kayhan News.” He links to this page at the paper, but it’s been taken down — so no way to know for sure. But I see little reason to doubt him — looks like a newspaper photo to me.

110 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:43:33am

re: #90 Mr. In get Mr. Out

If a major crackdown begins with the Revolutionary Guard toward the protesters, do we send in Special Forces? Or does Israel bomb the nuke sites? It seems to me, there’s a chance to further the chaos, while trying to help the protesters.

Send in the special forces ? Do we have a few 100,000 ready to go if needed ?

111 turn  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:43:38am

re: #87 realwest

No turn, the problems are not related to dinnerjacket or Iran or even politics I suppose.

Wait, did I misinterpret that? Are you ok?

112 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:43:41am

re: #91 avanti

The implication in the cartoon is that the POTUS could magically fix a election dispute by some simple action, and I only wish it was that simple. One word of support for either side in the internal strife would be very dangerous.
Assume his words could rally the protesters, what could we realistically do if the government clamped down further ? Even if we assume half the country was protesting, the other half would rally round the government if the US stepped in to help.

If - big if, but not impossible - the regime botches an effort at repression, nothing we do or say will make any difference any way.

113 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:43:54am

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can see trying to send something out there to fool a couple of people. Worldwide? Really?

It’s not the first time the iranian regime has pulled fauxtography- there were the missiles and the cache of supposedly American weapons. They tend to be pretty bad at their photoshopping- they get busted pretty easily.

114 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:44:20am

re: #105 CyanSnowHawk

I believe Charles might have inflated the comment numbers.

Yes, the numbers (font size) are larger. I like it. They’re very asthetically pleasing being in gray and large enough to read.

115 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:44:27am

re: #91 avanti

The implication in the cartoon is that the POTUS could magically fix a election dispute by some simple action, and I only wish it was that simple. One word of support for either side in the internal strife would be very dangerous.
Assume his words could rally the protesters, what could we realistically do if the government clamped down further ? Even if we assume half the country was protesting, the other half would rally round the government if the US stepped in to help.

So, we should sit back and let ShortShit stomp on these people? What is it about the left? You guys are all for freedom and hope and change, but when it’s someone else’s freedom, you seem perfectly fine with keeping people in shackles. I want the people of Iran to be free. To get rid of the current Iranian government would solve so many problems in the world. The fact that Obama is refusing to say anything except for the weak statements he’s made so far tell me that he is all for the status quo and does not mind that freedom is being crushed. That is pathetic. If the “evil and stupid” GWB was still in office, I am guessing we’d be hearing something completely different coming out of the White House today.

116 Erik The Red  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:44:41am

Good Day Lizards. A little comedy to lift up you day. Billy Connolly on Suicide Bombers.

ROTF Funny. Language Warning

Billy Connolly talks about suicide bombers

117 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:44:47am

re: #100 Baier

There is not greater cause than risking your life for freedom. Obama is a coward who does not understand that.

Well he did think about joining the military, but we weren’t at war or anything. Speaking as one who has been there I think he didn’t have the stones and would have washed out if he did sign up.

118 turn  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:44:51am

re: #107 scottishbuzzsaw

I think it’s screaming at him.

Ha, you watched Kenneth’s vid too. I was going to post something about hammertoe on that thread but thought I just better let it slide.

119 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:44:57am

Does anyone think that Iran will hate America less, be less likely to threaten Israel, and stop supporting terrorism worldwide any less if the current government is overthrown by the people in the streets? If change happens, it may make Iran more democratic, and more citizen friendly, but will create positive changes in the areas mention above. I’m curious what people think.

120 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:44:58am

re: #76 Desert Dog

Symbolically, he told the protesters they are on their own. If that is not saying F*CK YOU, I do not know what is. Obama is being too cautious…he needs to load up the TOTUS and start saying some motivating Hopey and Changey things to these people. This is probably the only chance the world will get to get rid of the current government without having to invade and bomb the crap out of them….THIS is the moment we’ve been waiting for.

I want so much to agree with you, really, I do. I’m just not so sure that’s the correct action just now, seeing as this demonstration seemingly is only symbolic (with all the major loss of life and all, I’m sorry). Obama making such statements may seriously work against the Iranian people in both the the short & long term. We need consider the region as well. The Iranians could again begin to make it quite tough for us in both Afghanistan & Iraq costing many young American lives.

121 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:45:25am

re: #109 zombie
zom - so that means the newspaper photoshopped it? It seems pretty clear (thank you Charles) even to a tech tard like me, that the photo is indeed photoshopped.

122 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:46:02am

re: #74 unrealizedviewpoint

Did the comment numbers suddenly explode in size or has my mind and browser gone mad?

It’s known as the big-ass comment number.

123 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:46:33am

re: #119 insanity police

Does anyone think that Iran will hate America less, be less likely to threaten Israel, and stop supporting terrorism worldwide any less if the current government is overthrown by the people in the streets? If change happens, it may make Iran more democratic, and more citizen friendly, but will create positive changes in the areas mention above. I’m curious what people think.

That is so George Bush, now that we have 0bama they love us.*spit*

124 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:46:55am
125 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:46:58am

re: #85 reloadingisnotahobby

Stop scaring us like that!

Yeah….

I just sent you an email……

126 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:46:59am

re: #87 realwest

No turn, the problems are not related to dinnerjacket or Iran or even politics I suppose.

I hope it turns out to be nothing serious. You’re in my thoughts.

127 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:47:19am

re: #123 soxfan4life

Since Obama got elected the poll I saw said Iranians hate America more. Go figure.

128 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:47:56am

Dang, Kayhan News has an Archive page, but not a single one of the past issues is available when clicked on. I think they’ve all been taken down.

129 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:48:11am

re: #121 realwest

Agents of the regime could have photoshopped it, and given it to the newspaper.

130 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:48:21am

re: #98 taxfreekiller

You can not keep a coward from cowardly ways.

tfk June 2009

The POTUS could order troops in to harms way without fear for his personal safety. It’s not a automatic act of bravery to order others to war without one hell of a lot of thought as to the consequences.
A internal dispute about another countries election, is one such situation.

131 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:48:22am

re: #115 Desert Dog

What is it about the left? You guys are all for freedom…….

Since when?

132 abu lahab  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:48:27am

re: #109 zombie

I saw this on many forums and it’s actually taken from (kayhannews.ir)
But their entire archive, not only this photo has been taken down, I tried to search for that photo (June 9th) but the entire archive is not working.

133 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:48:50am

OT:

I went through a whole pack of cotton candy bubble gum. The flavor lasted about 30-50 seconds per piece. Why can’t someone make a longer lasting c.c. gum? Grrrr.

/the revolution will be over cotton candy bubble gum.

134 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:48:54am

re: #121 realwest

zom - so that means the newspaper photoshopped it? It seems pretty clear (thank you Charles) even to a tech tard like me, that the photo is indeed photoshopped.

No proof yet that it even appeared in a newspaper. It was definitely Photoshopped, we just don’t know for sure by who.

135 Kragar  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:48:57am

re: #128 zombie

Dang, Kayhan News has an Archive page, but not a single one of the past issues is available when clicked on. I think they’ve all been taken down.

First step of rewriting, remove the old

136 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:05am

re: #119 insanity police

Does anyone think that Iran will hate America less, be less likely to threaten Israel, and stop supporting terrorism worldwide any less if the current government is overthrown by the people in the streets? If change happens, it may make Iran more democratic, and more citizen friendly, but will create positive changes in the areas mention above. I’m curious what people think.

I don’t know, but I’d suspect what the Iranians would really be interested in, were they free to choose, is actual development of their country, and a lack of terror, secret police and arbitrary arrests and trials.

137 abu lahab  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:07am

re: #128 zombie

Ok, you just found that.

138 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:27am

Tweets from ‘Change for Iran’ just received:

‘I’m receiving some sad news about people (mostly students) who get killed in multiply cities by basij&ansar’

‘people are now chanting “down with the dictator” and “God is Great” on the ro’

‘Basij now moving with motorcycles in streets trying to scare people to stop chanting. it is not working anymore’

‘Hamed from Tabriz confirmed 2 killed in Tabriz’s engineering university. thing really getting awful for all students around the country’

139 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:27am

Cats outsmarted in psychologist’s test

140 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:37am

re: #99 realwest

Haven’t read the thread so I apologize if I’m repeating what any of y’all have said.
But since Dinnerjacket - IF he pulls this overthrow of the Mullah’s off, doesn’t that mean he would lack any “religious authority” and would in fact be just like Saddam Hussein in Iraq? And doesn’t that, in some ways, make it easier to deal with Iran - shit, sorry, keep forgetting Obama is the President.
nevermind.

There is some “modulating” influence within the council of Mullah’s, which is like saying there were reformers on the Politburo.

If Dinnerjacket has complete power, the Cult of the 12th Imam is also in complete control.

Which in turn virtually guarantees a major middle east war, including nuclear exchanges.

141 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:52am
142 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:57am

re: #137 abu lahab

Ok, you just found that.

Yup. We’re on the same trail.

143 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:50:14am

re: #91 avanti

The implication in the cartoon is that the POTUS could magically fix a election dispute by some simple action, and I only wish it was that simple. One word of support for either side in the internal strife would be very dangerous.
Assume his words could rally the protesters, what could we realistically do if the government clamped down further ? Even if we assume half the country was protesting, the other half would rally round the government if the US stepped in to help.

The cartoon implies much more. Like, say, hypocrisy! Did you hear the POTUS’ speech today? New financial regulations across the board and a new agency to insure its regulations are adhered to. Doesn’t like to meddle? Please.

Duck and cover re: Iran. Throw America into the pit of financial regulation: No problem.

144 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:50:16am
145 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:50:20am

re: #111 turn
Try e-mail please.
I’m sorry y’all but I gotta go now - hope I get the chance to see y’all down the road.

146 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:50:38am

Excuse me, I need to write a letter of recommendation.

147 Kragar  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:50:45am

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

Cats outsmarted in psychologist’s test

NO FAIR! They used Confuse-a-Cat.

148 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:51:04am

re: #133 insanity police

OT:

I went through a whole pack of cotton candy bubble gum. The flavor lasted about 30-50 seconds per piece. Why can’t someone make a longer lasting c.c. gum? Grrrr.

/the revolution will be over cotton candy bubble gum.

Youtube Video
149 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:51:05am

re: #115 Desert Dog

So, we should sit back and let ShortShit stomp on these people? What is it about the left? You guys are all for freedom and hope and change, but when it’s someone else’s freedom, you seem perfectly fine with keeping people in shackles. I want the people of Iran to be free. To get rid of the current Iranian government would solve so many problems in the world. The fact that Obama is refusing to say anything except for the weak statements he’s made so far tell me that he is all for the status quo and does not mind that freedom is being crushed. That is pathetic. If the “evil and stupid” GWB was still in office, I am guessing we’d be hearing something completely different coming out of the White House today.

I have yet to see anyone on the right suggest what could be done better in dealing with Iran’s election dispute. Many on both the left and right agree that a cautious approach is correct, but I await your suggestions.

150 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:51:27am

re: #136 Dianna

I hope so.

151 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:51:43am

# RT Revolutionary guard just fired on protestors in Tehran, at least hundreds wounded. #iranelection5 minutes ago from web

152 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:51:43am

re: #130 avanti

When the first Iranian nuclear weapon detonates in Tel Aviv or in Manhattan, you may conclude that the dispute with Iran isn’t so “internal” any more. If the country is quiet except for Teheran, the odds that the protesters will succeed is diminished significantly. If the protests are spreading, the odds are improving.

153 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:51:46am

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

No, the implication is that the President is not unlike the humbug Wonderful Wizard of Oz in the film of the same name, who promises to take Dorothy back to Kansas in his balloon but, when the balloon leaves prematurely, replies to her desperate cries of “Come back!” with “I can’t; I don’t know how it works.”

Coupled with that image is an echo of the people fighting desperately to grab a seat on the last helicopter leaving the US Embassy in South Vietnam.

What a great post, buzz. As usual, you are spot-on. I understood the point of the cartoon, but analogies like these hadn’t occurred to me.

Wow.

154 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:51:47am

re: #91 avanti

The implication in the cartoon is that the POTUS could magically fix a election dispute by some simple action, and I only wish it was that simple. One word of support for either side in the internal strife would be very dangerous.
Assume his words could rally the protesters, what could we realistically do if the government clamped down further ? Even if we assume half the country was protesting, the other half would rally round the government if the US stepped in to help.

Words in support of freedom and liberty are dangerous only to totalitarian dictatorships, mullahocracies and enemies of human rights. The words might not be sufficient for the people of Iran to rise up against the mullahs, but they will have the effect of giving support to those elsewhere in the world who are bolstered by dreams of liberty and freedom, and that still see the US as a shining city on the hill.

That’s what Obama doesn’t get. Iran isn’t in a vacuum. Neither is Iraq or Afghanistan. Overthrowing and toppling totalitarian regimes has a benefit that goes beyond just knocking off dictators. Giving people a chance to see that makes the situations in other dictatorships all the more precarious because once news filters into those regimes, it might take hold and grow.

Holding elections as Iran did was a way for the people of Iran to seem like they were choosing, but this election gave lie to that fact when it was so blatantly manipulated by Ahmadinejad and one or more mullahs.

Now, they’re reaping what they’ve sown. Obama should have spoken to the nature of elections.

Heck, he could have spoken of the fact that we had our own issues with elections in 2000, but noted that we had a mechanism to deal with it and the government didn’t clamp down on demonstrations and there was no rioting in the streets and the government didn’t murder its own citizens to retain power. It was done peacefully.

That’s a damned sight better than what he did say.

155 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:51:56am

A-ha!

This is the Google cache of the page that was supposed to have the original newspaper version of the photoshop — but even there, the photo is missing!

156 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:52:02am

re: #138 yma o hyd

Tweets from ‘Change for Iran’ just received:

‘I’m receiving some sad news about people (mostly students) who get killed in multiply cities by basij&ansar’

‘people are now chanting “down with the dictator” and “God is Great” on the ro’

‘Basij now moving with motorcycles in streets trying to scare people to stop chanting. it is not working anymore’

‘Hamed from Tabriz confirmed 2 killed in Tabriz’s engineering university. thing really getting awful for all students around the country’

The educated youth are under the boot. Freedom is worth fighting for.

157 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:52:34am

re: #148 unrealizedviewpoint

Darn, I can’t watch the video on this computer. I’ll have to check it out later.

158 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:52:52am

re: #119 insanity police

Does anyone think that Iran will hate America less, be less likely to threaten Israel, and stop supporting terrorism worldwide any less if the current government is overthrown by the people in the streets? If change happens, it may make Iran more democratic, and more citizen friendly, but will create positive changes in the areas mention above. I’m curious what people think.

I would have to think that in a more democratic Iran, out from under the thumb of the religious extremists, the hatred will fade. It will take generations, but it will fade.

159 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:08am

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

Cats outsmarted in psychologist’s test

Good thing the researchers didn’t mention ravens … according to Bernd Heinich, string pulling is something they’re brilliant at - crossed strings or not!

Ravens cleverer than cats - whatever next!

160 Buster  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:24am

re: #18 Cato the Elder

The Nazis were better at this sort of thing. When Goebbels wanted a crowd scene, the Ortsleiter all asked how many people to send. And that was how many he got.

And North Korea has elevated it to an art.

161 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:24am

re: #128 zombie

Wayback machine only goes to 2007, so no dice.

162 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:26am

re: #120 unrealizedviewpoint

I want so much to agree with you, really, I do. I’m just not so sure that’s the correct action just now, seeing as this demonstration seemingly is only symbolic (with all the major loss of life and all, I’m sorry). Obama making such statements may seriously work against the Iranian people in both the the short & long term. We need consider the region as well. The Iranians could again begin to make it quite tough for us in both Afghanistan & Iraq costing many young American lives.

They already are making it tough for us in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Gaza, etc, etc…..They are going on with their nuclear plans in spite of all the negotiations with the Europeans and the US. What else will they do? This is a no brainer. They chant Death to America and Death to Israel every Friday. They are funding just about every major Islamic terrorist group on Earth. They are evil, rotten, corrupt and bent on acquiring nuclear weapons while stating that Israel should be wiped off the map. They are not going to negociate away ANYTHING with Obama. By sitting on the sidelines with his thumb up his bum, Obama is not doing anything constructive. Does he think the Mullahs or Shortshit will be nicer to him if he keeps his mouth shut? Screw the current leadership of Iran….they hate us and will not budge an inch no matter what. So, by egging on, supporting, shouting from the highest mountain top and firing up the TOTUS for all the world to hear, Obama could do more for “world peace” and “Freedom” than he realizes.

163 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:26am

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

Cats outsmarted in psychologist’s test

Dogs rule.

164 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:48am

re: #131 Russkilitlover

Since when?

Their freedoms, not yours

165 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:49am
# RT All your votes are belong to us #iranelection
2 minutes ago from web

Heh

166 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:54:34am

re: #157 insanity police

Darn, I can’t watch the video on this computer. I’ll have to check it out later.

30 second commercial for long lasting Stride gum. Funny!

167 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:54:39am

re: #127 insanity police

Since Obama got elected the poll I saw said Iranians hate America more. Go figure.

He has only begun to apologize.

168 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:54:40am

re: #163 scottishbuzzsaw

Dogs rule.

{scottish} Long time…good to see you.

169 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:54:45am
170 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:54:56am

re: #144 taxfreekiller

Someday the future of freedom on this planet may once again depend on the American minuteman.

171 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:55:02am

re: #161 lawhawk

Wayback machine only goes to 2007, so no dice.

Good try, at least.

Looks like they’ve wiped the evidence room clean. Nothing we can do.

172 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:55:37am

re: #90 Mr. In get Mr. Out

If a major crackdown begins with the Revolutionary Guard toward the protesters, do we send in Special Forces? Or does Israel bomb the nuke sites? It seems to me, there’s a chance to further the chaos, while trying to help the protesters.

DON’T MEDDLE!

173 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:55:52am

re: #168 jorline

{scottish} Long time…good to see you.

Good to see you too, {jorline}.

174 Kragar  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:55:56am

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

Cats outsmarted in psychologist’s test

Psychologists outsmarted by Cat’s Test

Chief Researcher Mr. Puff-puff: “I can’t believe they fell for it!”

175 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:56:23am

re: #119 insanity police

I don’t think the Iranian people are imperialists by nature. Ahmadinejad wants hegemony in the region. That terrifies the Arabs, who will purchase or develop their own nuclear weapons in response.

Obama’s current policy ensures proliferation, and an eventual nuclear exchange in the region.

176 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:56:38am

Design opinion:

I think the new comments numbers are slightly too big. The previous size was exactly perfect. Bring back the good ol’ size!

177 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:56:57am

re: #163 scottishbuzzsaw

Dogs rule.

Bow-wow-wow! Ruff ruff!

:-)

178 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #177 yma o hyd

Bow-wow-wow! Ruff ruff!

:-)

Snoop, is that you ?

179 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:57:38am

re: #158 CyanSnowHawk

I would have to think that in a more democratic Iran, out from under the thumb of the religious extremists, the hatred will fade. It will take generations, but it will fade.

I am waiting for the hatred of “Jooooooos” to fade, but in the Middle East does it ever go out of fashion?

180 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:57:54am

re: #176 zombie

Design opinion:

I think the new comments numbers are slightly too big. The previous size was exactly perfect. Bring back the good ol’ size!

smaller,, and a shade or two darker

181 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:58:00am

re: #143 midwestgak

The cartoon implies much more. Like, say, hypocrisy! Did you hear the POTUS’ speech today? New financial regulations across the board and a new agency to insure its regulations are adhered to. Doesn’t like to meddle? Please.

Duck and cover re: Iran. Throw America into the pit of financial regulation: No problem.

The market headed up after the speech so I guess even the investors knew we needed some new regulations. BTW, the POTUS regulating US markets is quite a bit different then jumping in the middle of another countries election.

182 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:58:05am

re: #166 unrealizedviewpoint

I’ll check it out later. Thanks.

183 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:58:32am

re: #179 insanity police

I am waiting for the hatred of “Jooooooos” to fade, but in the Middle East does it ever go out of fashion?

heh ,,,,, it’s not limited to the Middle East by a LONG shot

184 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:58:34am

re: #172 Spare O’Lake

DON’T MEDDLE!

“Yes, no meddling here. Please let us know when you have crushed the last vestige of freedom in your country so we can start the negotiations that you are ignoring anyway. Signed, President Obama”

185 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:58:57am

re: #178 sattv4u2

Snoop, is that you ?

Wags tail furiously …

:-)

186 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:59:12am

re: #167 debutaunt

and bow

187 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:00:09am

Let’s make this a win-win. Loser of the Iranian election gets to be the President of North Korea.

188 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:00:14am

re: #185 yma o hyd

Wags tail furiously …

:-)

Careful there, yma. You might sprain something. ;>)

189 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:00:17am

re: #175 quickjustice

You may be right. The Iranians weren’t as extremely anti-Israel before the current regime took power.

190 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:00:48am

re: #183 sattv4u2


Gulp.

191 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:01:06am

re: #152 quickjustice

When the first Iranian nuclear weapon detonates in Tel Aviv or in Manhattan, you may conclude that the dispute with Iran isn’t so “internal” any more. If the country is quiet except for Teheran, the odds that the protesters will succeed is diminished significantly. If the protests are spreading, the odds are improving.

Now we have nukes falling on NYC if we don’t jump in on one side or the other. It’s worth mentioning that both sides are big time pro nuke, so I’m missing your point.

192 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:01:24am

re: #181 avanti

The market headed up after the speech so I guess even the investors knew we needed some new regulations. BTW, the POTUS regulating US markets is quite a bit different then jumping in the middle of another countries election.

WRONG ,,,, the market is reacting to inflation and Fed Ex earnings report as well as the drop in fears re: oil supply

193 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:02:05am

re: #181 avanti

The market headed up after the speech so I guess even the investors knew we needed some new regulations. BTW, the POTUS regulating US markets is quite a bit different then jumping in the middle of another countries election.

I read an article over the weekend (I can’t remember where) that said the market is being inflated to an artificial level by the simple fact that most people did not stop their automatic buy orders for their 401k’s out of their weekly paychecks. It did not have a whole bunch of data behind it, but it makes some sense on why the market seems to be in a stagnate period when so much bad news is still coming in. I did an informal survey at work and not a single person out of 60 or so stopped their automatic TSP deductions. Sounds like a resonable argument to me.

194 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:02:12am

Has anyone heard a peep out of the UN about Iran?

The UN is always quick to tell us we’re schmucks.

195 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:02:25am

OT:
Sen. Ensign (R) resigns from leadership position.

Now, if Rangel, Murtha, and the rest of the Democrats who are tax cheats, in serious ethical and criminal trouble would do the same…

196 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:02:40am

I actually love the big numbers…they’re more modern. But I love Design Within Reach and MoMA, and that look is not everybody’s thing.

They make LGF look a bit more hip, imo.

197 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:02:43am

re: #162 Desert Dog

They already are making it tough for us in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Gaza, etc, etc…..They are going on with their nuclear plans in spite of all the negotiations with the Europeans and the US. What else will they do? This is a no brainer. They chant Death to America and Death to Israel every Friday. They are funding just about every major Islamic terrorist group on Earth. They are evil, rotten, corrupt and bent on acquiring nuclear weapons while stating that Israel should be wiped off the map. They are not going to negociate away ANYTHING with Obama. By sitting on the sidelines with his thumb up his bum, Obama is not doing anything constructive. Does he think the Mullahs or Shortshit will be nicer to him if he keeps his mouth shut? Screw the current leadership of Iran….they hate us and will not budge an inch no matter what. So, by egging on, supporting, shouting from the highest mountain top and firing up the TOTUS for all the world to hear, Obama could do more for “world peace” and “Freedom” than he realizes.

I don’t disagree with you.
But I also believe they have pulled back in Iraq & Afghanistan. That’s what is seen by this admin no doubt in my mind. Maybe they’re partly right - as this symbolic uprising may only be the beginning to regime change. Maybe we’re years off still.

198 turn  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #145 realwest

re: #146 Dianna

Dianna, safe mail still isn’t working for me - it just comes back “try again”. Do you happen to have reals’ email address and if so could you email me with it? Thanks in advance.

199 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:02:59am
200 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:03:39am

re: #194 jorline

Has anyone heard a peep out of the UN about Iran?

The UN is always quick to tell us we’re schmucks.

no ,, and GOOD

201 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:03:45am

re: #179 insanity police

I am waiting for the hatred of “Jooooooos” to fade, but in the Middle East does it ever go out of fashion?

The Middle East is hardly a location that is given to democratic regimes. Although I seem to recall one, and IIRC, it is quite fond of Jews.

202 poteen  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:03:47am

Escalation?

The beginning of the end for both I think.

203 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:04:19am

re: #195 lawhawk

OT:
Sen. Ensign (R) resigns from leadership position.

Now, if Rangel, Murtha, and the rest of the Democrats who are tax cheats, in serious ethical and criminal trouble would do the same…

That would require the (D) to become familiar with the concept of shame…

204 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:04:29am

re: #198 turn

re: #146 Dianna

Dianna, safe mail still isn’t working for me - it just comes back “try again”. Do you happen to have reals’ email address and if so could you email me with it? Thanks in advance.

Click RW’s nic…it’s blue.

205 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:04:45am

re: #151 NJDhockeyfan

# RT Revolutionary guard just fired on protestors in Tehran, at least hundreds wounded. #iranelection5 minutes ago from web

Yikes.

206 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:05:35am

re: #176 zombie

Design opinion:

I think the new comments numbers are slightly too big. The previous size was exactly perfect. Bring back the good ol’ size!

I like change. Makes me all hopey.

207 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:06:16am

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint

I like change. Makes me all hopey.

I like Nyquil. It makes me all dopey.

/random synaptic firing.

208 Egregious Philbin  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:06:38am

They need Jesse and Al Sharpton to go and inflate the numbers, they are good at that.

As for Iran, they got some serious balls, hats off to them. If only some other people in the world had the same commitment to freedom, aw, but, “The Hills” is on, who would want to miss that for some grubby demonstration?

209 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:07:24am

BIG GRAY NUMBERS ARE RIPPING US OFF!

210 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:07:31am

re: #207 MrSilverDragon

I like Nyquil. It makes me all dopey.

/random synaptic firing.

Now the synapses are being laid off. Damn, the economy must be worse than we thought.

211 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:07:49am

re: #197 unrealizedviewpoint

I don’t disagree with you.
But I also believe they have pulled back in Iraq & Afghanistan. That’s what is seen by this admin no doubt in my mind. Maybe they’re partly right - as this symbolic uprising may only be the beginning to regime change. Maybe we’re years off still.

I cannot get on board with the idea that “Obama is wise to stay silent, because otherwise Iran will cause more trouble for us in Iraq and Afghanistan”. Two key points here:

1) The current wide-scale, systemic threat to the Iranian regime decreases their capacity to act abroad, it doesn’t increase it. They cannot send security resources to Iraq when they need those resources to save their own asses at home.

2) The Iranian regime is a self-declared, existential enemy to us. They cannot be bought off. Period.

212 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:08:04am

re: #188 scottishbuzzsaw

Careful there, yma. You might sprain something. ;>)

Okay - I’ve calmed down now …

:-)))

213 notutopia  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:08:22am

Standard & Poor’s cuts ratings on 18 banks
The weed plucking begins, so the strong can survive.
(Those that the FED decide are strong)
[Link: zope.fayobserver.com…]

214 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:08:38am

re: #207 MrSilverDragon

I like Nyquil. It makes me all dopey.

/random synaptic firing.

Ahh, Nyqil. It’s basically a cold pill with a shot of whiskey.

215 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:09:11am

re: #151 NJDhockeyfan

# RT Revolutionary guard just fired on protestors in Tehran, at least hundreds wounded. #iranelection5 minutes ago from web

Let’s hope the crowd takes them down.

216 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:09:33am

re: #194 jorline

Has anyone heard a peep out of the UN about Iran?

The UN is always quick to tell us we’re schmucks.

Don’t worry, I’m sure they’re drafting a robust denunciation of Israel even as we speak.

217 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:09:36am

re: #214 Occasional Reader

Ahh, Nyqil. It’s basically a cold pill with a shot of whiskey.

Recommended by all the alcoholics in my basic training company.

218 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:09:42am

re: #209 Spare O’Lake

BIG GRAY NUMBERS ARE RIPPING US OFF!

WTF is Peacekeeper anyway?

219 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:09:43am

re: #201 CyanSnowHawk

The Middle East is hardly a location that is given to democratic regimes. Although I seem to recall one, and IIRC, it is quite fond of Jews.

Are you talking about “Palestine”.

/sarc

220 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:09:56am

re: #215 Dianna

Let’s hope the crowd takes them down.

Unfortunately Rocks vs Uzis usually has the same outcome

221 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #217 CyanSnowHawk

Recommended by all the alcoholics in my basic training company.

Absolutely. Alcoholics love that stuff.

222 Kragar  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:10:14am

NEWSFLASH

Iran wants nuclear weapon technology -ElBaradei

NO SHIT SHERLOCK!

223 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:10:16am

re: #216 Occasional Reader

lol. sad but true.

224 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:10:25am

# RT when students were being arrested at the dormitory guard kept telling them that their blood was halal #iranelection
9 minutes ago from web

225 poteen  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:10:55am

re: #202 poteen

Hot air seems to be down. The report said that the Iran is importing Hamas to bang heads.

226 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:11:10am

re: #219 insanity police

Are you talking about “Palestine”.

/sarc

Their neighbors, IIRC.
/

227 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:11:28am

re: #215 Dianna

Let’s hope the crowd takes them down.

Regretfully automatic weapons generally don’t get taken down by a crowd…

228 Silvergirl  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:11:33am

re: #153 capitalist piglet

What a great post, buzz. As usual, you are spot-on. I understood the point of the cartoon, but analogies like these hadn’t occurred to me.

Wow.

I’m a forever fan of The Wizard of Oz and it was my first thought on seeing the cartoon, but thanks to buzzsaw the strength of the analogy has been written up succinctly but powerfully.

229 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:11:54am

re: #220 sattv4u2

Unfortunately Rocks vs Uzis usually has the same outcome

No, it doesn’t.

For one thing, we’re talking huge crowds with nowhere to go. For another, the guns run out of bullets.

I am not saying it’s easy. I’m not saying it’s fun. But if they let themselves be repressed, they lose. If they manage to take out the repressors? They learn that they’re strong.

230 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:02am

re: #221 OldLineTexan

Absolutely. Alcoholics love that stuff.

The thing is, it used to actually work (reasonably well), in terms of allowing you to get some sleep when you had a cold. Then, they took out the pseudophedrine HCL. Now, it’s much less effective.

231 ROPMA  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:04am

OT Obama’s next campain

232 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:17am

Persiankiwi is back tweeting, here are the latest:
‘Gov spreading false rumours on twitter that protestors are causing violence - this is NOT true - #Iranelection’

‘Today and every day all protestors were peaceful - #Iranelection’

‘Today again we were hundreds of thousands of Sea of Green - #Iranelection’

‘chanting ‘my brother - my martyr - I will claim your vote for you!’ - #Iranelection’

‘Sea of Green will continue tomorrow and every day until election is declared void - #Iranelection’

233 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:30am

re: #228 Silvergirl

I’m a forever fan of The Wizard of Oz and it was my first thought on seeing the cartoon, but thanks to buzzsaw the strength of the analogy has been written up succinctly but powerfully.

[Link: gregdooley.com…]

234 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:38am
235 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:41am

# RT iran tv claims they found ppl who confessed they planned events by the help of foreign sources =>(probably under torture) #iranelection
10 minutes ago from web

236 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:54am

re: #229 Dianna

For another, the guns run out of bullets.

YOUNG LADY!

Go stand in the corner, this instant!

237 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:57am

re: #227 experiencedtraveller

Regretfully automatic weapons generally don’t get taken down by a crowd…

Huge crowd, confined space, nowhere to run. What do you do?

238 Kragar  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:13:11am

re: #227 experiencedtraveller

Regretfully automatic weapons generally don’t get taken down by a crowd…

Depends on the crowd. If its a choice between charging the guns or waiting for them to kick in your door in the middle of the night, then desparate people can do anything.

239 albusteve  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:13:33am

re: #211 Occasional Reader

I cannot get on board with the idea that “Obama is wise to stay silent, because otherwise Iran will cause more trouble for us in Iraq and Afghanistan”. Two key points here:

1) The current wide-scale, systemic threat to the Iranian regime decreases their capacity to act abroad, it doesn’t increase it. They cannot send security resources to Iraq when they need those resources to save their own asses at home.

2) The Iranian regime is a self-declared, existential enemy to us. They cannot be bought off. Period.

well said..BO should have had stern words when this thing broke out…and as it escalated he should have upped the ante himself…he should be speakimg out as events unfold…I don’t fall for the interferrence angle either…there is too much at stake…now the RG is gunning people down in the streets?….this is wholely an international affair, not some pet project for BO

240 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:13:43am

re: #221 OldLineTexan

Absolutely. Alcoholics love that stuff.

Over heah, Dr. Tichenor’s is the approved favorite of alcoholics. 70% alcohol minty goodness.

241 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:13:44am

re: #230 Occasional Reader

The thing is, it used to actually work (reasonably well), in terms of allowing you to get some sleep when you had a cold. Then, they took out the pseudophedrine HCL. Now, it’s much less effective.

Because of meth cookers, I think.

It all comes back to chemical dependency, which is why I ate lunch today. I love those complex protein chains found in the common pork roast.

242 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:14:00am

re: #220 sattv4u2

Unfortunately Rocks vs Uzis usually has the same outcome

What about rock vs. paper vs. Uzi?

(Anyway, the brave, upright Republican Guards wouldn’t use icky Zionist Uzis…)

243 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:14:08am
People wounded by police in Tehran [Link: bit.ly…] #iranelection
Youtube Video
244 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:14:13am

re: #236 Occasional Reader

YOUNG LADY!

Go stand in the corner, this instant!

What has Dianna done this time?

245 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:14:26am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

# RT iran tv claims they found ppl who confessed they planned events by the help of foreign sources =>(probably under torture) #iranelection
10 minutes ago from web

No surprise.

246 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:14:27am

re: #237 Dianna

Huge crowd, confined space, nowhere to run. What do you do?

duck and cover the best you can. Sorry Dianna. I understand and even support your sentiment, but human reaction is to not run TOWARDS the bullets

247 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:14:30am

re: #240 redstateredneck

Over heah, Dr. Tichenor’s is the approved favorite of alcoholics. 70% alcohol minty goodness.

And it comes in a gel! “Apply directly to your liver.”

248 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:01am

re: #236 Occasional Reader

YOUNG LADY!

Go stand in the corner, this instant!

Ooops!

OK. Ammo!

249 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:03am

re: #230 Occasional Reader

The thing is, it used to actually work (reasonably well), in terms of allowing you to get some sleep when you had a cold. Then, they took out the pseudophedrine HCL. Now, it’s much less effective

Those damn crankheads! Without pseudophedrine, all sinus medicines suck. I mean, I can’t tell I’ve taken them.

250 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:03am

And this from ‘Change for Iran’:
‘it is still unbelievable, but our exam is at 8am tomorrow morning!’

I pray he and all other student will be safe - quite a few of them have been killed, in universities across the country.

251 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:21am

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Depends on the crowd. If its a choice between charging the guns or waiting for them to kick in your door in the middle of the night, then desperate people can do anything.

100% correct. The government does not want to make the demonstrators desperate in anyway shape or form. That is the worse possible outcome for the government. A desperate man will not worry about consequences.

252 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:37am

re: #230 Occasional Reader

The thing is, it used to actually work (reasonably well), in terms of allowing you to get some sleep when you had a cold. Then, they took out the pseudophedrine HCL. Now, it’s much less effective.

Oh no! I haven’t had a cold in six years and I always relied on Nyquil to sleep and dry up. What will I do?

253 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:54am

re: #248 Dianna

Ooops!

OK. Ammo!

Oh no! There’s a difference?

254 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:56am

re: #240 redstateredneck

Over heah, Dr. Tichenor’s is the approved favorite of alcoholics. 70% alcohol minty goodness.

Not available in the PX that we were allowed to go to weekly while in boot camp. It was amusing to my 18 year old self to see it happening.

255 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:07am

re: #252 midwestgak

Oh no! I haven’t had a cold in six years and I always relied on Nyquil to sleep and dry up. What will I do?

Go to the liquor store.

256 Wily  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:13am

Nice picture, but I could not find Waldo anywhere.

257 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:16am

re: #241 OldLineTexan

Because of meth cookers, I think.

Oh, fer sher. I’m not saying they didn’t have a reason to do it. Just that it made the stuff fairly worthless, IMO.

258 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #246 sattv4u2

duck and cover the best you can. Sorry Dianna. I understand and even support your sentiment, but human reaction is to not run TOWARDS the bullets

Got that, but there are too many people. It’s act or die time, you know, when it gets to that situation.

259 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:43am

re: #242 Occasional Reader

What about rock vs. paper vs. Uzi?

(Anyway, the brave, upright Republican Guards wouldn’t use icky Zionist Uzis...)

I know ,, but I can’t spell Kalishnikov!

260 RadicalRon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:44am
#155 zombie

A-ha!

This is the Google cache of the page that was supposed to have the original newspaper version of the photoshop — but even there, the photo is missing!

Looks like someone has been very busy.


BTW, zombie, I accidentally dinged you down. And yes, the drugs made me do it. :-)

261 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:49am

re: #254 CyanSnowHawk

Not available in the PX that we were allowed to go to weekly while in boot camp. It was amusing to my 18 year old self to see it happening.

They were thinking, damn, these boys sure do catch a lot of colds!

262 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:52am

# RT flyers: they gave us cold macaroni to eat and if it fell on the ground we had 2 eat them mixed with dirt or else beaten up #iranelection
less than 10 seconds ago from web

# RT In a flyer: When we were thirsty guards brought boiling water to drink and since some were too thirsty they still drank it #iranelection
4 minutes ago from web

263 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:17:01am

re: #244 debutaunt

What has Dianna done this time?

Used “bullets” to mean “ammunition”, “rounds”, etc. Sheesh, you’d think she was a Reuters journo!

/just teasin’, Di

264 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:17:07am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

# RT iran tv claims they found ppl who confessed they planned events by the help of foreign sources =>(probably under torture) #iranelection
10 minutes ago from web

Unrest of this magnitude being spurred by foreign sources is like saying 9/11 was an inside job!

265 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:17:12am

re: #222 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NEWSFLASH

Iran wants nuclear weapon technology -ElBaradei

NO SHIT SHERLOCK!

Iran WANTS TO USE nuclear weapons.

(edited for accuracy)

266 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:17:30am

You know the problem with being a conservative? The need for accuracy. It gets in the way of snappy protest chants:

Ahmenidijad, you can’t hide, we charge you with…

being a nasty, egotistical little dictator with no regard for the rights of men and the dignity of the individual.

Doesn’t work.

267 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:17:36am

re: #232 yma o hyd

Persiankiwi is back tweeting, here are the latest:
‘Gov spreading false rumours on twitter that protestors are causing violence - this is NOT true - #Iranelection’

‘Today and every day all protestors were peaceful - #Iranelection’

‘Today again we were hundreds of thousands of Sea of Green - #Iranelection’

‘chanting ‘my brother - my martyr - I will claim your vote for you!’ - #Iranelection’

‘Sea of Green will continue tomorrow and every day until election is declared void - #Iranelection’

Do you have a link to the persiankiwi and iranelection twitter feeds?

268 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:17:52am

re: #257 Occasional Reader

Oh, fer sher. I’m not saying they didn’t have a reason to do it. Just that it made the stuff fairly worthless, IMO.

Wonder why they just didn’t put it behind the counter with all the other pseudoephedrine products?

269 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:18:07am

I’ve hear Hamas getting blamed for harming protesters.

Unofficial poll: Whether or not it’s true, who is using this information for its benefit.

1. Israel, to make Hamas look bad.
2. Ahmadinejad, who can claim that Hamas is hurting people, and not his militias/army. Hamas as scapegoat theory.
3. Both.

I’ve heard both 1 and 2 talked about on the web.

270 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:18:09am

re: #249 Spenser (with an S)

Those damn crankheads! Without pseudophedrine, all sinus medicines suck. I mean, I can’t tell I’ve taken them.

With pseudophedrine, I have a racing heart and short breath.

With a cold? I’ve got short breath, but at least my heart’s not trying to pound out of my chest and my head doesn’t feel like it’s about to explode.

271 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:18:16am

re: #252 midwestgak

Oh no! I haven’t had a cold in six years and I always relied on Nyquil to sleep and dry up. What will I do?

OLT’s cold remedy
* juice of six lemons
* 2 TBSP local honey
* 1 tsp cayenne pepper
* Pinch of rock salt
* one whole sardine in olive oil
* pint of whiskey

Blend the first five ingredients thoroughly and pour into a cup. Now throw that nasty mess down the sink and drink the whiskey.

/

272 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:18:23am

re: #252 midwestgak

Oh no! I haven’t had a cold in six years and I always relied on Nyquil to sleep and dry up. What will I do?

{gak} allergies?

273 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:18:29am

I’m passing this along in case it hasn’t been posted already. The goons are firing heavy weapons into a crowd.

Youtube Video
274 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:18:51am

re: #253 debutaunt

Oh no! There’s a difference?

The bullet is the hurty bit on the end, whereas “ammo” is the whole thing.

/

275 Gearhead  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:19:01am

From twitter:

Call from Iran: Today police telling protesters: “We won’t beat u, but escape from Palestinian death squads.”

(my emphasis)

276 Dave the.....  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:19:02am
re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

Cats outsmarted in psychologist’s test

Dogs rule.

Hey, my cat goes downstairs during the night. Jumps up on the kitchen counter, and opens up the cabinet that has the bread. Pulls the bag out and proceeds to work on getting the bag open. Even after I hid the bread, he went to the same door and opened it. They can figure things out. And don’t get me started on what happened when he got a hold of one of my credit cards.

277 Kragar  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:19:03am

re: #266 EmmmieG

You know the problem with being a conservative? The need for accuracy. It gets in the way of snappy protest chants:

Ahmenidijad, you can’t hide, we charge you with…

being a nasty, egotistical little dictator with no regard for the rights of men and the dignity of the individual.

Doesn’t work.

We can’t simply scream “DEATH!” as we prepare the cavalry charge?

278 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:19:08am

re: #270 Dianna

With pseudophedrine, I have a racing heart and short breath.

With a cold? I’ve got short breath, but at least my heart’s not trying to pound out of my chest and my head doesn’t feel like it’s about to explode.

It makes my mind race in a horrible way.

279 Silvergirl  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:19:14am

re: #233 OldLineTexan

[Link: gregdooley.com…]

That too, OLT, that too!

280 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:19:25am
281 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:19:38am

OT: Whats with the new numbers on the comments?

282 Right mind left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:20:00am

re: #278 debutaunt

It makes my mind race in a horrible way.

I get restless body syndrome!

283 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:20:03am

re: #252 midwestgak

Oh no! I haven’t had a cold in six years and I always relied on Nyquil to sleep and dry up. What will I do?

I think Tylenol Cold works better; and IIRC, they make a version that has pseudophedrine HCL, you just have to sign a register in your pharmacy, so they make sure you’re not buying crateloads of it to cook in your meth lab.

Also, for decongestion and cough suppression (which, for me, is the entire battle in trying to get to sleep with a cold), even better is… er… the name’s escaping me. Remind me some time when I’m posting in the evening, I’ll check the medicine cabinet at home and tell you the name.

284 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:20:12am

re: #268 redstateredneck

Wonder why they just didn’t put it behind the counter with all the other pseudoephedrine products?

They knew the name of the product would sell even if the product wasn’t as effective as the original formula, and they wanted people to still have easy access to the product.

Voila!

285 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:20:43am

re: #269 insanity police

I’ve hear Hamas getting blamed for harming protesters.

Unofficial poll: Whether or not it’s true, who is using this information for its benefit.

1. Israel, to make Hamas look bad.
2. Ahmadinejad, who can claim that Hamas is hurting people, and not his militias/army. Hamas as scapegoat theory.
3. Both.

I’ve heard both 1 and 2 talked about on the web.

I said yesterday to remember that this rumor works to the benefit of everyone. It’s a great wheeze.

286 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:20:50am

re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why let the truth come out when a lie, and a crude one at that, serve better the purpose of holding onto power?

Are we talking about Iran or the Federal budget for 2010? /

287 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:20:52am

re: #284 MrSilverDragon

They knew the name of the product would sell even if the product wasn’t as effective as the original formula, and they wanted people to still have easy access to the product.

Voila!

Exactly. Most people don’t read the labels. It probably saves them a lot of money, too.

288 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #270 Dianna

With pseudophedrine, I have a racing heart and short breath

Wow, that stinks. I guess it’s no wonder it’s one of the main ingredients in crank, huh?

289 justabill  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:21:16am

re: #220 sattv4u2

Unfortunately Rocks vs Uzis usually has the same outcome

Yea, and Uzis do pretty well against paper and scissors as well.

Are they really using Uzis? Thats how they’ll blame the joos. Its their fault for making the evil uzis…

290 insanity police  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:21:25am

re: #280 buzzsawmonkey

Good point. You’d think that was true. But Europe loves Hamas. Obama is warming to them. The Arab and Muslim world loves them.

291 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:21:29am

re: #281 Creeping Eruption

OT: Whats with the new numbers on the comments?

For the older crowd. They are easier to read.

;)

292 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:21:55am

re: #283 Occasional Reader

Also, for decongestion and cough suppression (which, for me, is the entire battle in trying to get to sleep with a cold), even better is… er… the name’s escaping me. Remind me some time when I’m posting in the evening, I’ll check the medicine cabinet at home and tell you the name.

I grew partial to Robitussin when Nyquil lost its “edge”.

293 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:21:56am

re: #282 Right mind left

I get restless body syndrome!

Me too. It’s just hideous - involuntary exercise in addition to a sinus headache.

294 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:22:04am

A refresher course on bullets, cartridges, etc, from our favorite French dude.

[Link: www.thedissidentfrogman.com…]

295 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:22:23am

re: #289 justabill

Yea, and Uzis do pretty well against paper and scissors as well.

Are they really using Uzis? Thats how they’ll blame the joos. Its their fault for making the evil uzis…

see 259

296 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:22:31am

re: #274 OldLineTexan

The bullet is the hurty bit on the end, whereas “ammo” is the whole thing.

/

And you load your Uzi bullets into your Uzi clips, of course.

297 poteen  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:22:36am

re: #237 Dianna

Huge crowd, confined space, nowhere to run. What do you do?

Ideally, you shoot back with illegally obtained Russian-made AK.

298 Right mind left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:22:48am

re: #291 NJDhockeyfan

For the older crowd. They are easier to read.

;)

Sure, serves as a reminder of how tiny the comments are!

299 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:23:25am

re: #296 Occasional Reader

And you load your Uzi bullets into your Uzi clips, of course.

Only infidels do that!

But sadly you are correct!

300 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:24:26am

re: #288 Spenser (with an S)

Wow, that stinks. I guess it’s no wonder it’s one of the main ingredients in crank, huh?

Yeah - and I stop breathing when dosed with morphine. Marijuana makes my eyes itch horribly, and my skin crawl.

I can’t be a drug addict. I’m allergic to recreational pharmaceuticals.

301 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:24:26am

re: #298 Right mind left

Sure, serves as a reminder of how tiny the comments are!

At least I know how far behind I am!

/

302 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:24:27am

re: #299 OldLineTexan

Only infidels do that!

But sadly you are correct!

Incidentally, I finally saw and handled (but did not shoot with, yet) a “full-moon clip” the other day. Another bit of gun arcania experienced.

303 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:24:34am

re: #298 Right mind left

Sure, serves as a reminder of how tiny the comments are!

I’ve been diminished!

304 A.W.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:24:45am

this is allegedly the first post on this:

[Link: kojayi.wordpress.com…]

I say allegedly, because for some reason the photo itself isn’t coming up on my computer. it claims it was taken from an iranian conservative newspaper.

305 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:24:50am

re: #297 poteen

Ideally, you shoot back with illegally obtained Russian-made AK.

If you have them.

306 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:24:53am

re: #292 MrSilverDragon

I grew partial to Robitussin when Nyquil lost its “edge”.

Round here, those who are in drug court and subject to weekly drug tests use “Tussin” as they affectionately call it. Doesn’t show up in the piss test and they say if you take enough, the high is like ecstacy. Actually, I think it’s anything that has dextromethoriphan. (no idea if that’s spelled correctly)

307 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:25:11am

re: #296 Occasional Reader

And you load your Uzi bullets into your Uzi clips, of course.

Owwww!

308 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:25:32am

re: #302 Occasional Reader

Incidentally, I finally saw and handled (but did not shoot with, yet) a “full-moon clip” the other day. Another bit of gun arcania experienced.

Never bought one … but I had a pile of half-moon clips back when I owned a 1917 Colt New Service.

309 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:25:35am

re: #267 zombie

Do you have a link to the persiankiwi and iranelection twitter feeds?

[Link: twitter.com…]

[Link: twitter.com…] - thats ‘iran election’

I’ve (reluctantly) signed up for a twitter account (dead easy) and installed
‘tweetdeck’, which is a free software and which notifies you when they tweet.

Personally, I blame reine and Bluecanuck for all that!

310 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:25:42am

re: #276 Dave the…..

Hey, my cat goes downstairs during the night. Jumps up on the kitchen counter, and opens up the cabinet that has the bread. Pulls the bag out and proceeds to work on getting the bag open. Even after I hid the bread, he went to the same door and opened it. They can figure things out. And don’t get me started on what happened when he got a hold of one of my credit cards.

Thankfully, the FBI doesn’t investigate when you subscribe to kitty-porn web sites.

Mrs. Hawk and I have two cats, Lena is the master, and Thomas Ginger Cat is her paduwan apprentice. Or is it Sith-Lord and Sith-apprentice, I forget?

311 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:25:45am

re: #300 Dianna

Marijuana makes my eyes itch horribly, and my skin crawl.

My client knows from the times that she has been near to other people who were smoking it, of course.

312 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:25:53am

re: #305 Dianna

If you have them.

And what would you be shooting?

313 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:26:02am

re: #271 OldLineTexan

heh. Thanks for the giggle.

314 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:26:09am

re: #294 EmmmieG

A refresher course on bullets, cartridges, etc, from our favorite French dude.

[Link: www.thedissidentfrogman.com…]

Basics, basics….

This is my rifle.
This is my gun…….

315 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:26:43am

re: #308 OldLineTexan

Never bought one … but I had a pile of half-moon clips back when I owned a 1917 Colt New Service.

I never understood why they made the half-moon clips. What’s the point?

316 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:26:52am

re: #272 jorline

{gak} allergies?

{jor} Good to see you today.

317 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:27:01am

re: #309 yma o hyd

[Link: twitter.com…]

[Link: twitter.com…] - thats ‘iran election’

I’ve (reluctantly) signed up for a twitter account (dead easy) and installed
‘tweetdeck’, which is a free software and which notifies you when they tweet.

Personally, I blame reine and Bluecanuck for all that!

Thanks!

318 A.W.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:27:23am

Btw, wonderful statement from a top cleric in iran on this:

[Link: althouse.blogspot.com…]

I say this unironically. it is a great statement. God, here is hoping we are close to a pro-democratic revolution.

319 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:27:49am

re: #315 Occasional Reader

I never understood why they made the half-moon clips. What’s the point?

They fit in your belt pouches, which are not like speedloader pouches at all.

320 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:27:49am

I can shoot a partridge, with a single cartrige
I can shoot a pullet, with a single bullet…

321 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:27:52am

re: #311 Occasional Reader

My client knows from the times that she has been near to other people who were smoking it, of course.

Actually, that’s true. I actually have to leave the room when some idiot starts toking.

322 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:28:07am

OT’

White Sox beating Cubs 1 - 0 in the top of the first. HR by Alexi Ramirez.

323 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:29:14am

re: #322 3 wood

Good for me, he’s on my fantasy team.

324 Silvergirl  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:29:14am

re: #270 Dianna

With pseudophedrine, I have a racing heart and short breath.

With a cold? I’ve got short breath, but at least my heart’s not trying to pound out of my chest and my head doesn’t feel like it’s about to explode.

I also can’t take it when the dentist uses epinephrine. It’s now on my chart to keep it the heck away. I thought I was going to pass out, have my heart burst through my chest, or something.

325 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:29:14am

re: #283 Occasional Reader

I think Tylenol Cold works better; and IIRC, they make a version that has pseudophedrine HCL, you just have to sign a register in your pharmacy, so they make sure you’re not buying crateloads of it to cook in your meth lab.

Also, for decongestion and cough suppression (which, for me, is the entire battle in trying to get to sleep with a cold), even better is… er… the name’s escaping me. Remind me some time when I’m posting in the evening, I’ll check the medicine cabinet at home and tell you the name.

Who told you about my meth lab?//

326 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:29:18am

re: #312 debutaunt

And what would you be shooting?

Bullets, coming out of cartridges, fed from your magazine (which may or may not have been loaded using clips).

327 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:29:38am

re: #315 Occasional Reader

I never understood why they made the half-moon clips. What’s the point?

Three round load at once, early version of a speed loader.

328 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:29:47am

re: #312 debutaunt

And what would you be shooting?

Me? With an AK? Cartridges loaded into the magazine.

Start with nice, fresh, no-shooty cartridges!

Then shooty!

329 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:30:05am

re: #325 midwestgak

Who told you about my meth lab?//

I thought midwest Jr. said he was staying after school for math lab!

330 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:30:12am

I really appreciate the sentiment but charging the guns doesn’t work from a tactical point of view.

A few hundred automatic weapons killed or wounded 60,000 armed and trained soldiers within a few hours on the Somme.

Of course, strategically, as a heroic gesture, such an action could turn critical opinion. See: Thermopylae, The Alamo, Bastogne etc…

331 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:30:40am

re: #327 jcm

Three round load at once, early version of a speed loader.

Yes, but what I meant was, why not just go straight to full moon. (Tex answered it.)

332 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:31:01am

re: #318 A.W.

Btw, wonderful statement from a top cleric in iran on this:

[Link: althouse.blogspot.com…]

I say this unironically. it is a great statement. God, here is hoping we are close to a pro-democratic revolution.

Thanks for this - we’ve heard he’d condemned the results, its good to read what he said.

Montazeri, the Grand Ayatollah, is the top spiritual cleric, he’s kept out of politics, so his words have real weight.

333 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:31:14am

re: #326 Occasional Reader

Bullets, coming out of cartridges, fed from your magazine (which may or may not have been loaded using clips).

You be quiet. I was asking Dianna…

334 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:31:19am

re: #330 experiencedtraveller

Of course, strategically, as a heroic gesture, such an action could turn critical opinion. See: Thermopylae

The Persians had automatic weapons?!
//

335 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:31:36am

re: #332 yma o hyd

Thanks for this - we’ve heard he’d condemned the results, its good to read what he said.

Montazeri, the Grand Ayatollah, is the top spiritual cleric, he’s kept out of politics, so his words have real weight.

I wonder what Montazeri’s revenge is like …

336 Right mind left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:32:02am

re: #303 debutaunt

I’ve been diminished!


Of course, it’s always about YOU…

But really, with all the font sizes, it creates this 3D effect but that the numbers are so big and gray, like they are in the background looming… and with all the pseudophedrine talk I’m getting dizzy and I’m not even sick!

337 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:32:03am

re: #328 Dianna

Me? With an AK? Cartridges loaded into the magazine.

Start with nice, fresh, no-shooty cartridges!

Then shooty!

A+

338 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:32:10am

re: #328 Dianna

Me? With an AK? Cartridges loaded into the magazine.

Ah, but using clips? That’s the question…

339 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:32:33am

# RT 2 friends freed with broken heads, 1 in and today out of the hospital fortunately #iranelection
11 minutes ago from web

# RT freed student: mostly hit on the head and in the face #iranelection
9 minutes ago from web

# RT Flyer: when they were going to free us they gave us all a clean tshirt so when journalists took pictures we looked ok #iranelection
5 minutes ago from web

# RT flyer: one of the guards who arrested us told us this place is a thousand times worse than guantanamo bay #iranelection
2 minutes ago from web

# RT flyer: One student's eyes hurt and he was losing his sight, when he told the guards he was beaten up even more in the face #iranelection
less than 20 seconds ago from web

340 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:32:41am

re: #335 OldLineTexan

I wonder what Montazeri’s revenge is like …

Bit different from Montezuma’s, I’d have thought …

341 SixDegrees  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:33:06am

re: #291 NJDhockeyfan

re: #281 Creeping Eruption

OT: Whats with the new numbers on the comments?

For the older crowd. They are easier to read.

;)

Coming soon - digital prunes!

342 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:33:28am

re: #336 Right mind left

Of course, it’s always about YOU…

But really, with all the font sizes, it creates this 3D effect but that the numbers are so big and gray, like they are in the background looming… and with all the pseudophedrine talk I’m getting dizzy and I’m not even sick!

You drinkin’ espresso?

343 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:33:49am

re: #335 OldLineTexan

I wonder what Montazeri’s revenge is like …

Montaveri? The light orchestra conductor?

(Oh, Mantovani… right)

344 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:34:22am

re: #322 3 wood

OT’

White Sox beating Cubs 1 - 0 in the top of the first. HR by Alexi Ramirez.

It’s not over ‘til it’s over. Go Cubs.

345 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:34:38am

re: #130 avanti

re: #98 taxfreekiller

You can not keep a coward from cowardly ways.

tfk June 2009

The POTUS could order troops in to harms way without fear for his personal safety. It’s not a automatic act of bravery to order others to war without one hell of a lot of thought as to the consequences.
A internal dispute about another countries election, is one such situation.


The last person who needs to be lectured about going to war is TKF.

He as a warrior among warriors.

346 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:34:44am

Dammit, all this is reminding me that I still haven’t fired an AK. This needs remedying.

347 Right mind left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:34:55am

re: #342 debutaunt

You drinkin’ espresso?

Oh. That must be it. I just had what equates to a Big Gulp. Or, one of Abbey’s Caf-Pow’s.

348 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:35:11am

re: #345 3 wood

TKF=TFK

349 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:35:30am

The goals behind the coup include the following:

The first goal is to purge first-generation revolutionary leaders (with the exception of Ayatollah Khamenei). The main target here is former president Rafsanjani, a powerful politician who heads two important Constitutional bodies, the Assembly of Experts (AE), and the Expediency Council that arbitrates the differences between the Majles (parliament) and the Guardian Council. Also included in this group are Mr. Ali Akbar Nategh Nouri, a mid-ranking cleric, former Speaker of the Majles, and a strong critic of Mr. Ahmadinejad; Mr. Mahdi Karroubi, the second reformist candidate in the election and a disciple of Ayatollah Khomeini; and Mr. Mir Hossein Mousavi, the main reformist candidate, and Iran’s Prime Minister in the 1980s.

Why do they want them out of the scene? For two reasons. One is that the coup leaders consider themselves — and rightly so — as the saviors of Iran. They are the ones who fought Iraq for eight years. Secondly, at least part of the IRGC high command wishes Iran to be in a perpetual revolutionary state, but believes that the first-generation of revolutionaries have sold out the ideals of the 1979 Revolution.

350 poteen  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:35:37am

re: #305 Dianna

//I think there is a ‘liberal’ supply available

Delivery options ::: Fed-Ex, DHL , UPS, CIA. Hmmmm

351 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:35:57am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

# RT 2 friends freed with broken heads, 1 in and today out of the hospital fortunately #iranelection
11 minutes ago from web

# RT freed student: mostly hit on the head and in the face #iranelection
9 minutes ago from web

# RT Flyer: when they were going to free us they gave us all a clean tshirt so when journalists took pictures we looked ok #iranelection
5 minutes ago from web

# RT flyer: one of the guards who arrested us told us this place is a thousand times worse than guantanamo bay #iranelection
2 minutes ago from web

# RT flyer: One student’s eyes hurt and he was losing his sight, when he told the guards he was beaten up even more in the face #iranelection
less than 20 seconds ago from web

Where are you finding this? The “#iranelection” links I supposedly have are giving different posts. Link, please?

352 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:36:01am

re: #346 Occasional Reader

Dammit, all this is reminding me that I still haven’t fired an AK. This needs remedying.

Demand a 75 round drum… its a hoot.

353 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:36:17am

re: #289 justabill

Yea, and Uzis do pretty well against paper and scissors as well.

Are they really using Uzis? Thats how they’ll blame the joos. Its their fault for making the evil uzis…

The Iranian military used Uzis as a standard weapon under the Shah.

354 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:36:49am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

# RT flyer: one of the guards who arrested us told us this place is a thousand times worse than guantanamo bay

[Sigh]

You have to give a sardonic salute to the sheer P.R. genius that managed to get Gitmo - the world’s only “concentration camp” where the inmated gained weight, and had the best medical care of their lives - turned into a benchmark for “brutal prison conditions”.

355 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:38:04am

re: #354 Occasional Reader

inmated = inmates

(I have no idea whether they “inmated”, that’s between them and Allah)

356 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:39:29am

re: #351 zombie

Where are you finding this? The “#iranelection” links I supposedly have are giving different posts. Link, please?

A feller named IranAnon.

Name: Iran-e-Azad
Location: Tehran

357 Dianna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:39:50am

re: #355 Occasional Reader

inmated = inmates

(I have no idea whether they “inmated”, that’s between them and Allah)

And I really don’t want to know.

I think we’re alone on this thread, OR.

358 Right mind left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:40:22am

re: #354 Occasional Reader

[Sigh]

You have to give a sardonic salute to the sheer P.R. genius that managed to get Gitmo - the world’s only “concentration camp” where the inmated gained weight, and had the best medical care of their lives - turned into a benchmark for “brutal prison conditions”.

I nearly had an aneurysm when I saw the latest on the four Uighers in Bahamas. Nice clothes, overweight and a beautiful oceanside villa?!?!

Down is definitely up in this world right now…

359 Right mind left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:42:05am

I’m here too, all the caffeine and no courage to move on I guess :) Oh, okay, I’m going.

I think I must try to be the last poster on every thread I ever post on for whatever reason! (Down is Up - caffeine makes me SLOW…and now I am alone.)

*sigh*

360 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:43:27am

re: #359 Right mind left

*waves*

361 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:44:39am

# RT unconfirmed: Some corpses were hidden by the basijis the night they attacked dormitories. so the # dead is more than 5 #iranelection
less than 10 seconds ago from web

362 zombie  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:44:50am

re: #356 NJDhockeyfan

A feller named IranAnon.

Name: Iran-e-Azad
Location: Tehran

Thanks.

363 Right mind left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:45:21am

re: #360 scottishbuzzsaw

*waves*

**waves back**

(Jumps up and down a little…not alone after all!)

364 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:45:32am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

# RT flyer: one of the guards who arrested us told us this place is a thousand times worse than guantanamo bay #iranelection
2 minutes ago from web

No shit. The moonbats at Huffpo must be reeling with cognitive dissonance when they read that!

365 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:50:25am

On a first glance at the photo: Could this be a poorly-stitched-together attempt at a panorama shot, rather than intentional fraud?

366 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:52:01am

re: #181 avanti

The market headed up after the speech so I guess even the investors knew we needed some new regulations.

No, the market inched up about 0.20% cause of bargain hunting after the sell off of the last few days.

The Dow is down about 5.6% on the year so far.

367 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:54:43am

re: #365 Throbert McGee

On a first glance at the photo: Could this be a poorly-stitched-together attempt at a panorama shot, rather than intentional fraud?

There would be a repeat seam top to bottom not repeated patches.

368 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:54:43am

re: #193 JohnnyReb

I did an informal survey at work and not a single person out of 60 or so stopped their automatic TSP deductions. Sounds like a resonable argument to me.

It’s also standard strategy called “dollar cost averaging”

369 Right mind left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:55:00am

Still have not left yet…

Seriously, the situation in Iran is overwhelming to me because there are so many that need help and they are being squashed. So many who are crying for freedom and I can’t help but think that 0 is on the sidelines taking notes of all the ways the uprising is not being squashed, most specifically that twitter can’t be silenced..(note to self, ensure internet czar has that in his control too)…when a year ago had this happened I am certain we would be giving or promoting proper support for freedom.

Okay, now I am going. BBL!

370 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 12:06:23pm

re: #362 zombie

Thanks.

Your welcome. I don’t have the twitter thingy so I just refresh the page. That person keeps pretty good updates.

371 morning star  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 12:21:30pm

re: #25 Desert Dog

He wasn’t so cautious when he backed Raila Odinga in Kenia.

And Odinga’s crowds differed a lot from the Iranian ones. They burned churches with people inside.

Also, Odinga was the anti-American, pro-Islam candidate.

Perhaps Moussavi isn’t better than that but there are so many Iranians who are realy fed up and want a secular society, not only a different president.

372 morning star  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 12:29:59pm

re: #211 Occasional Reader

2) The Iranian regime is a self-declared, existential enemy to us. They cannot be bought off. Period.

Obama wants to buy them off with Dimona.

373 A.W.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 12:42:52pm

re: #109 zombie

I would say if it was taken down, its pretty much a confession.

I will honestly say i am really starting to feel optimistic about all of this.

374 A.W.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 12:52:40pm

wow the full statement from that iranian cleric is even better than the exerpts.

And here is the crazy part. i found it on andrew sullivan’s blog.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com…]

Could it be that mr. excitable is coming back to sanity? Nah, probably not, but we can hope, right?

Anyway, best part in Montazeri’s statment: when he said supressing freedom of expression, etc. might break faith in islam. its like the famous williams quote that coerced prayer “stinks in God’s nostrils.” of course the fact that Ayatola Khomeni once named him as a successor is worrisome, but who know? maybe having lost the chance to be the real leader of iran gave him the chance to wake up to the value of democracy and freedom.

So cautiously optimistic on iran. but recognizing we could be getting it really, really wrong. like here is a mind blower. By all evidence, with the students in Tianemen Square (sp?), when they talked about freedom and democracy, they meant a return to maoist “idealistic” dictatorship. to them those words literally didn’t mean the same thing—they wanted to trade one dictator for another. So if we were fooled once…

375 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 12:57:49pm

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

Cats outsmarted in psychologist’s test

Cats are too smart to fall for some researcher doing a test. Better to hide their Overlordship from the masses that way.

Must. Feed. Cat. *beep*

376 A.W.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 1:02:08pm

Furry

my take on whether dogs are smarter than cats is this. if you ask a dog to roll over, he is like “okay master, let me roll over and please give me a treat!” But the cat is like, “roll over? give me a break. what are you going to do? Not feed me. if you need me i will be at the litter box.”

377 Drider  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 1:10:44pm

How tragically ironic, we have been waiting for years for the Iranian people to rise up and grab more freedom that was ever possible under their current system with clerics and the Supreme leader running the show.
At this point I think it is apparent that this is a coup on the part of the IRG and Ajad to completely remove any opposition or capability for others to control the plans of these twelvers.
Ajad wants the Mullah’s out of the way and Khomeini to be a silent puppet to rubber stamp whatever adventures that the IRG and Ajad which to partake in.

If Ajad remains the President then Iran will become a much more dangerous and hard line threat to everyone, the coup will be successful.No longer will the mullahs and Supreme leader be able to play their “in the shadows” chess match with Western civilization, Ajad and the IRG will more than likely become more brazen in their actions.

They ironic and tragic part of the deal is that we have Obama remaining silent and probably bending over both backwards and forwards in remaining on the fence and not backing the freedom of the Iranian people.

Make no mistake, there is talk of Mousavi and his supporters calling for the Khomeini’s resignation or the Iranian equivalent due to his part in going along with his runner stamp actions in this coup and THAT is huge, THAT is what brings more true freedom to the people and THAT is what we should be actively trying to achieve along with making sure Ajad doesn’t get a whiff of continued power.
I believe our leaders are throwing away our best chance to diffuse this threat to a large degree and we will surely regret it.

378 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 1:12:59pm

Star Wars and Peace

Epic historical story of a family set in a galaxy far, far away.

379 Dizzy26  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 1:17:31pm

I’m throwing in the towel. Won’t be around to say ” I told you so!”,
haven’t got that much time left.

Mrs Michael messiah said it was the first time she was proud to be an
American. Now, nearly 70, I can say it’s the first time I’m ashamed of America.

Too, too late

380 lanaty  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 1:44:39pm

re: #30 NJDhockeyfan

Iranian blog in Persian. Can anyone translate?

The blog’s already down. If you find something like this again, try to copy-paste it into a word doc or take screenshots. Charles, would you be willing to post the screenshot or word doc so that it can be translated? I know I’m not the only Farsi speaker posting on LGF.

381 Ateam  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 2:35:45pm

This pic is a fake.
Look here at news video (from 03.05 to 03.20) describing and showing yesterday (June 16 09) pro Ahmadinejad demonstration. open to full screen mode and note the differences.

[Link: news.nana10.co.il…]

382 justdanny  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 2:48:29pm

Charles,

Have a look at this

Youtube Video
383 Mr Spiffy  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 3:40:25pm

Posted in: Massive Protests in Iran

405 Mr Spiffy6/15/2009 10:53:52 am PDT
Obviously photoshopped
look for the same guy, dark hair and white shirt thousands of times in the video.
also the woman in the headscarf also repeatedly inserted
///
These are strange days indeed, when snarky sarcasm becomes the harbinger of news

384 Mr Spiffy  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 3:45:28pm

re: #10 MrSilverDragon

I think the thing that bothers me most about these photoshops is the fact that there’s a good portion of the population who believe it’s true, even when the facts have been thrust in front of them proving the exact opposite. They’ve been so spoonfed for years that they can’t live their lives any other way.

“You can fool some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time;
Here’s where I make a liar out of Lincoln”
Barrack 0bama, 2008

385 Mr Spiffy  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 4:06:47pm

re: #108 taxfreekiller

Obama has no problem with ACORN meddling in the U.S. census.

It all depends on who is doing the meddling to whom.

fixed that

386 odorlesspaintthinner  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 4:41:59pm

You know, now that I think of it, Jimmy Carter’s dhimmi-servile smile looks eerily similar in all the pictures I’ve seen of him with Hamas and Hezbullah leaders. I don’t think he’s over there kissing ass at all, I think they’re Photoshopping him! Oh, Jimmy, how could we have doubted you?

387 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:12:31pm

Been Otherwise engaged the last day or so. I wish the People of PERSIA the best and direct them to the later chapters of the Book of Esther. Happy late Purim. ‘Nuff said.

-S-


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