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Jonn Lilyea did some digging into claims of military service made by Jason Eugene Bush, the anti-immigration “activist” charged with murder in southern Arizona, and discovered a long criminal record but no military service: LGF’s Rightwing Extremist Veteran.

I appreciate Jonn’s work, and I’m very relieved to learn that Bush was not a veteran.

However, he is asking that I apologize for making a “cut against veterans” with my article noting Bush’s claims of service, so I think I should explain.

The truth is that I have nothing but respect for the military services of the US. I’ve made that clear repeatedly at LGF; this site has been a huge supporter of the US military over the years.

My post about Jason Eugene Bush also made it very clear that none of his claims of service had been confirmed.

But even if Bush’s claims were true, it wouldn’t be a cut against veterans to point out that fact. Veterans can be (and have been) criminals, just as with any group in society — in a tiny minority, as in other groups. I really can’t agree that noting Bush’s claim to be a veteran is a smear against all vets, especially when all due skepticism was expressed — and I certainly did not intend it as a smear.

As I’ve said many times at LGF, the men and women who serve in the military are some of the best citizens of our country. Many fake veterans have been exposed when their claims were publicized on the Internet, and we all benefit when bad apples are discovered.

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917 comments
1 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:38:14pm

Exactly right.

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:43:16pm
It seems this Jason Eugene Bush isn’t a veteran of anything except the justice system. He’s probably not even a right wing extremist, just your run-of-the-mill, everyday sociopath.

I'm not going to disagree the man sounds like a sociopath, but to dismiss his ties to extreme right-wing politics just seems a continuation of denying right-wing extremism as a whole.

3 researchok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:43:34pm

Well said.

The bad apple does not foul the bushel.

4 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:44:40pm

The whiners are accusing Charles of committing the Fallacy of Composition:

The first type of fallacy of Composition arises when a person reasons from the characteristics of individual members of a class or group to a conclusion regarding the characteristics of the entire class or group (taken as a whole). More formally, the "reasoning" would look something like this.

Individual F things have characteristics A, B, C, etc.

Therefore, the (whole) class of F things has characteristics A, B, C, etc.

However, from reading the various posts that CJ has made on these issues (extremists, reports), he pretty clearly has not done so.

That the whiners are accusing CJ of doing so can arise from a number of reasons, not the least of which they are the ones committing the composition fallacy in their own heads.

Then again, it is probably just poor reading comprehension skills.

5 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:45:34pm

You were very clear about this, Charles.

The “Minutemen for American Defense” website contained this short bio of Bush, although I don’t know if any of it has been confirmed:

6 researchok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:46:26pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

I'm not going to disagree the man sounds like a sociopath, but to dismiss his ties to extreme right-wing politics just seems a continuation of denying right-wing extremism as a whole.

Bush's ties to right wing extremism are self serving. If la leftist group would have embraced him, he would exploit them in the same way.

Right wing nut jobs are a real problem, but this head case is not representative of the problem.

7 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:46:47pm

A cut against veterans? The military, like every community, has a percentage of kooks. As an example, my husband has had to deal with:
1. drug users
2. wife beaters
3. drunken stealer of government vehicles
4. infidelity
5. wife/family abandonment

and this was last month. He has also kicked a few out for racist comments and one with horrifically racist posters in the barracks in his 19 years of service.

The issue is when some idiot equates serving in the military with BEING a kook and I've never, ever seen that happen here from Charles. Ever. I'd also pity the poster who even attempted to do such a thing.

8 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:46:49pm
9 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:47:19pm

What makes this murderer a right-wing extremist?

10 Bloodnok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:47:51pm

re: #4 freetoken

The whiners are accusing Charles of committing the Fallacy of Composition:

However, from reading the various posts that CJ has made on these issues (extremists, reports), he pretty clearly has not done so.

That the whiners are accusing CJ of doing so can arise from a number of reasons, not the least of which they are the ones committing the composition fallacy in their own heads.

Then again, it is probably just poor reading comprehension skills.

That and extremely thin skin.

11 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:48:57pm

Charles,

You were not only clear, your record regarding the services is also clear.

Jason's claim of service were suspect from very early on.

12 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:48:58pm

re: #10 Bloodnok

That and extremely thin skin.

An axe to grind and an agenda to push.

13 opnion  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:49:16pm

Right from the jump , I doubted that "Gunny" Bush was a veteran of any description & said so. I am very glad to find out that he is not.

14 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:49:56pm

re: #9 BatGuano

What makes this murderer a right-wing extremist?

He voted against Obama?

15 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:50:05pm
I hope Charles Johnson can find it in his heart to apologize to veterans for his cut on us, as I’ve always admired him as a blogger until recently.


I the the request for an apology is kind of stupid. It wasn't a "cut" or a slanderous claim. It's what the guy claimed about himself. Reporting on that claim shouldn't be considered an insult to veterans. Kudos for checking the guy's background.

16 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:50:11pm

re: #7 ArmyWife

A cut against veterans? The military, like every community, has a percentage of kooks. As an example, my husband has had to deal with:
1. drug users
2. wife beaters
3. drunken stealer of government vehicles
4. infidelity
5. wife/family abandonment

and this was last month. He has also kicked a few out for racist comments and one with horrifically racist posters in the barracks in his 19 years of service.

The issue is when some idiot equates serving in the military with BEING a kook and I've never, ever seen that happen here from Charles. Ever. I'd also pity the poster who even attempted to do such a thing.

Nor have I ever seen Charles use evolution threads to promote atheism or disrespect for faith.

17 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:50:20pm

re: #13 opnion

Right from the jump , I doubted that "Gunny" Bush was a veteran of any description & said so. I am very glad to find out that he is not.

Even if he had been a legit veteran, it still doesn't smear the entire military.

18 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:51:07pm

re: #4 freetoken

The whiners are accusing Charles of committing the Fallacy of Composition:

However, from reading the various posts that CJ has made on these issues (extremists, reports), he pretty clearly has not done so.

That the whiners are accusing CJ of doing so can arise from a number of reasons, not the least of which they are the ones committing the composition fallacy in their own heads.

Then again, it is probably just poor reading comprehension skills.

You give too much credit, assuming they can read, and don't use text to speech......

19 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:51:08pm

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

I have never seen a slam against veterans here; quite the contrary. I have frequently seen quite proper efforts to debunk phony or exaggerated claims of service.

Debunking phony or exaggerated claims of service, regardless of whether the claimant is of the "left" or of the "right" is something that honors the service of legitimate veterans and emphasizes its value.

Worth a repeat.

20 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:51:10pm

re: #11 JCM

If anything I suspect he was one of those guys who washed out of bootcamp. It seems pretty common among fake veterans.

21 pat  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:51:21pm

The whole group is nothing but a criminal enterprise feeding off of a false and misleading image. They are not patriots, minutemen, veterans or Republicans. They are criminals.

22 opnion  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:51:40pm

re: #17 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even if he had been a legit veteran, it still doesn't smear the entire military.

Absolutely right, I am just glad that he is not a vet.

23 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:52:18pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

If anything I suspect he was one of those guys who washed out of bootcamp. It seems pretty common among fake veterans.

Or couldn't pass the recruiting stage, another common trait of fakes.

24 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:52:24pm

re: #17 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even if he had been a legit veteran, it still doesn't smear the entire military.

Only to the NYSlimes.....

25 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:52:26pm

re: #14 axegrinder

I appreciate the sentiment, but my question was genuine.

26 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:52:53pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

If anything I suspect he was one of those guys who washed out of bootcamp. It seems pretty common among fake veterans.

Or failing a psyche test.

27 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:52:54pm

Not much love for Charles in the comments on that site.

28 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:53:01pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

If anything I suspect he was one of those guys who washed out of bootcamp. It seems pretty common among fake veterans.

Or early dishonorables.

29 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:53:28pm

re: #24 JCM

Only to the NYSlimes.....

I don't read the rag, so what their opinion is means nothing to me.

30 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:53:44pm

what the hell are the people on that guy's blog talking about

31 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:53:49pm

I was suspicious from the start. Most vets don't casually brag about their medal counts.

32 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:54:51pm

Hey Charles ..... I think your record speaks for itself and you have said all you need to say. Anyone on this site who doesn't love (or at least respect) the military should not expect a warm reception from either the host or the regular Lizards. There are lots of Lizards with spouses or children in the military and I don't think any of them have a problem with you.

33 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:55:51pm

re: #30 spacejesus

Anyone who can read the DHS memo is considered the enemy in some circles.

34 opnion  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:55:51pm

This kind of reminds me of "Reporting for Duty " Lt Kerry & his Winter Soldier Project. That organization was full of false veterans & he took their outrageous stories to a Congressional hearing & smeared former & active Viet Nam troops.

35 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:55:56pm
36 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:56:03pm

re: #29 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't read the rag, so what their opinion is means nothing to me.

LOL they found out combat veterans sometimes commit murder....
Leaving out at a rate 8x lower than the same population age group of civilians.

37 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:56:13pm

re: #25 BatGuano

I appreciate the sentiment, but my question was genuine.

The anti-immigration sentiment, for one thing.

38 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:56:26pm

re: #21 pat

They are not patriots, minutemen, veterans or Republicans. They are criminals.

No true minuteman belongs to the Minutemen American Defense group?

39 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:56:50pm
I hope Charles Johnson can find it in his heart to apologize to veterans for his cut on us, as I’ve always admired him as a blogger until recently. I hope he doesn’t disappoint me.

This looks to me someone knowingly making an unreasonable request for an apology which he knows, being unreasonable, won't be given, thereby setting the scene up for a "Well, sadly, looks like Charles Johnsons critics are right..." post later.

40 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:57:05pm
It seems this Jason Eugene Bush isn’t a veteran of anything except the justice system. He’s probably not even a right wing extremist, just your run-of-the-mill, everyday sociopath.

So says Lilyea.

The two - right-wing extremism and sociopathology - are, you see, mutually exclusive.

"No true right-wing extremist..."

41 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:57:08pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Anyone who can read the DHS memo is considered the enemy in some circles.

And everyone who can't read seems to think the DHS memo is about them. Not so.

42 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:57:18pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Not much love for Charles in the comments on that site.

I see one or two of the 'usual suspects' there already.

43 opnion  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:57:28pm

re: #31 avanti

I was suspicious from the start. Most vets don't casually brag about their medal counts.

Avanti, you are spot on.

44 Bill M  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:58:20pm

Can't see how what Charles said could in any way be considered a cut against veterans. I had a similar thought to his when I read about Bush's supposed military record. It didn't ring true to me, so I would have needed to see verification before I would accept it. I am not surprised he wasn't a vet. If fact, I expected that would be the case.

(I am a vet, 20 year variety.)

45 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:58:47pm

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

The medal for having served in the Drama Queen Theatre of Operations, with Poison Ivy Cluster, isn't worth bragging about?

The REMF ribbon with turd device.

46 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:58:51pm
I really can’t agree that noting Bush’s claim to be a veteran is a smear against all vets, especially when all due skepticism was expressed — and I certainly did not intend it that way.

I certainly didn't take it that way. Sometime people only see what they want to see.

47 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:58:59pm

re: #9 BatGuano

I'm tired of debating whether or not the association as right wing is valid. As stated before:
Still extremely frustrated that Conservatives and Republicans of big names won't stand up and say "this is not our party, we abso-f'n-lutely will not tolerate or support such behaviors. We will NOT allow insane individuals to infiltrate our party and be associated as "right wing". For those that espouse these ideas, your thoughts, ideas and votes are not wanted."

48 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:59:17pm

re: #37 iceweasel

The anti-immigration sentiment, for one thing.

Which is wierd by the way because here in Texas it's more of a Democrat complaint then a Republican one. Most conservative people down here like immigrants and the work they do. Hell, most of us voted for amnesty.

49 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 5:59:17pm
50 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:00:04pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Anyone who can read the DHS memo is considered the enemy in some circles.

if i'm the enemy of bitter, lonely old men with no lives then that's ok with me

51 padraig7391  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:00:10pm

A guy like this earning a Purple heart, Silver and Bronze star, Combat Infantry Badge and a Presidential citation for his actions in the Special Forces" did sound a little bit far-fetched...

52 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:00:23pm

re: #49 buzzsawmonkey

What does "REMF" stand for?

Rear Echelon MotherFucker, I believe.

53 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:00:38pm
54 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:01:29pm

Semi-OT: Report: Far-right violence on the rise in Germany

Crimes by right-wing extremists jumped 16 percent to 20,422 last year, according to the yearly report published by Germany's Interior Ministry. It also concluded there were nearly 900 reports of injuries caused by right-wing violence in 2008, while the number of neo-Nazis rose to about 4,800.

"The number of neo-Nazis, and this is alarming, has risen again," Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble announced during a press conference held to coincide with the report's release.

Violent incidents were the highest in eastern Germany, when population differences were taken into account. A separate survey carried out by the Friedrich Ebert Institute last year found that one in three people in former East Germany are openly prejudiced against foreigners.

55 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:01:32pm

re: #6 researchok

Bush's ties to right wing extremism are self serving. If la leftist group would have embraced him, he would exploit them in the same way.

Right wing nut jobs are a real problem, but this head case is not representative of the problem.

My comment was more about the author of this piece seeming to dismiss it altogether.

56 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:01:41pm

re: #52 iceweasel

Rear Echelon MotherFucker, I believe.

Exactemundo.

57 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:02:53pm

re: #49 buzzsawmonkey

What does "REMF" stand for?

Rear Echelon Mother F'er.

Sit back at HQ gives orders, makes the guys lives on the pointing end hell, takes credit and collects ribbons.

58 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:03:15pm

This is funny (found posted on Stormfront)....
Michael Medved Uses Holocaust Museum Murder to Smear Ron Paul !

Youtube Video

The calls from outraged Paulians are hilarious.

59 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:03:18pm

re: #57 JCM

Rear Echelon Mother F'er.

Sit back at HQ gives orders, makes the guys lives on the pointing end hell, takes credit and collects ribbons.

Oh, John Kerry.

60 opnion  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:04:23pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Kilgore, I have to ask, What does Right Wing activity in Germany have to do with a false vet here who did a terrible thing? Just askin.

61 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:04:26pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Neo-Nazi's are considered right-wing in Germany? Really? Them people are strange.

62 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:04:53pm

re: #59 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, John Kerry.

The "Lieutenant Dike" of the Vietnam war.

63 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:04:57pm

OT: live video from a chaser, good views of wall cloud on a tornadic storm just west of Grand Island NB

[Link: www.severestudios.com...]

64 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:05:19pm

re: #48 axegrinder

I hear more anti-immigration smack from the bargaining unit members (die hard dems) than I've EVER heard from a true Republican. I'm anti-illegal immigration, but certainly not anti-immigration.

65 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:05:54pm

re: #47 ArmyWife

I'm tired of debating whether or not the association as right wing is valid. As stated before:
Still extremely frustrated that Conservatives and Republicans of big names won't stand up and say "this is not our party, we abso-f'n-lutely will not tolerate or support such behaviors. We will NOT allow insane individuals to infiltrate our party and be associated as "right wing". For those that espouse these ideas, your thoughts, ideas and votes are not wanted."

I was just asking how he is associated with the right wing.

66 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:07:13pm

re: #64 ArmyWife

I'm anti-illegal immigration, but certainly not anti-immigration.


Same here, and pro- fair legal immigration.

67 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:08:18pm

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

The medal for having served in the Drama Queen Theatre of Operations, with Poison Ivy Cluster, isn't worth bragging about?

Let's call the bragging about your awards, the "Kerry effect". It's fine to take pride in your medals, but the real hero's usually don't make a big deal about it.

68 Irenicum  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:08:25pm

re: #47 ArmyWife

Amen! May your updings be plentiful!

69 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:08:25pm

re: #37 iceweasel

The anti-immigration sentiment, for one thing.

This is getting more more bizarre than I want to get into.

70 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:08:37pm

re: #66 legalpad

Same here, and pro- fair legal immigration.

Ditto.....

71 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:09:03pm

re: #65 BatGuano

I know, I just didn't want you unfairly beaten up.

72 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:09:58pm

re: #63 freetoken

OT: live video from a chaser, good views of wall cloud on a tornadic storm just west of Grand Island NB

[Link: www.severestudios.com...]

It is time for stormy weather...

Youtube Video
73 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:10:00pm

re: #69 BatGuano

Yeah, maybe we'll talk about it on the groovy late night shift. :)

74 Sledgehammer  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:10:06pm

Charles, just as you can't paint all Vets as criminals, even if a few are, you can't paint all Americans against illegal immigration as violent right wing extremists, just because of this guy and Shawna Forde. As far as I can tell, this Bush guy is just a straight up criminal, and Shawna Forde is just a whack job. It gets even stranger when leftists try to string these criminals together with the guy that killed the security guard at the holocaust museum, and the guy that killed the abortion doctor, like they were all working together. There are crimes being committed all over America, and it's just stupid to try and categorize them all as being committed by left wing or right wing extremists. Give it a rest.

75 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:11:08pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

Charles, just as you can't paint all Vets as criminals, even if a few are, you can't paint all Americans against illegal immigration as violent right wing extremists, just because of this guy and Shawna Forde. As far as I can tell, this Bush guy is just a straight up criminal, and Shawna Forde is just a whack job. It gets even stranger when leftists try to string these criminals together with the guy that killed the security guard at the holocaust museum, and the guy that killed the abortion doctor, like they were all working together. There are crimes being committed all over America, and it's just stupid to try and categorize them all as being committed by left wing or right wing extremists. Give it a rest.

And just as I DIDN'T "paint all Vets as criminals," I didn't "paint all Americans against illegal immigration as violent right wing extremists."

Good grief.

76 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:12:04pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

Sledgehammer
(Logged in)
Registered since: Feb 24, 2009 at 6:03 pm
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

Bye now.........

A little ice on the lump on your head and swelling will go down in a few hours.

77 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:12:21pm
78 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:12:46pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

See my post, #4, above.

79 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:13:21pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

Troll.

80 Duane  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:13:29pm

Charles, speaking of soldiers, have you find any news on the soldiers slain in Arkansas by the Muslim?

81 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:13:42pm

re: #44 Bill M

(I am a vet, 20 year variety.)

Thank you, and if we were in a drinking establishment I'd buy you a few.

82 doubter4444  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:13:52pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

Charles, just as you can't paint all Vets as criminals, even if a few are, you can't paint all Americans against illegal immigration as violent right wing extremists, just because of this guy and Shawna Forde. As far as I can tell, this Bush guy is just a straight up criminal, and Shawna Forde is just a whack job. It gets even stranger when leftists try to string these criminals together with the guy that killed the security guard at the holocaust museum, and the guy that killed the abortion doctor, like they were all working together. There are crimes being committed all over America, and it's just stupid to try and categorize them all as being committed by left wing or right wing extremists. Give it a rest.

Jebus, do you even read what he says before spouting off nonsense?
What a tool.

83 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:15:25pm

re: #77 buzzsawmonkey

Well said, Buzz.

84 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:15:46pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

You really might consider doing a bit more reading of the topics posted here before you start your broad-side attacks about what Charles has said about political extremism.

85 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:15:57pm

re: #77 buzzsawmonkey

I don't even understand how that could be MADE UP! For pete's sake, you guys kept me sane during Mr. Armywife's deployments, and I can't get you guys to stop thanking ME for his service when all I did was marry an incredibly handsome guy who wears a really hot uniform! Anti-military? Anti-vet? Hardly.

86 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:16:26pm

re: #71 ArmyWife

I know, I just didn't want you unfairly beaten up.

Thank you ArmyWife.

87 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:16:37pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

Please se the numerous posts. Charles has NEVER connected these whack jobs as one group. They all have one thing in common, they are by definition, extrememly on the fringe, right wing. For good or evil, that's how they're defined. Just as obambis' buddies in the Weather underground are extreme left wing wackjobs.

88 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:17:12pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

Take your hammer and go pound...

Oh, never mind.

GAZE

89 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:18:11pm

re: #73 iceweasel

Yeah, maybe we'll talk about it on the groovy late night shift. :)

That would be good. A conversation on a field clear of the mines.

90 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:18:54pm

re: #87 pingjockey

Please se the numerous posts. Charles has NEVER connected these whack jobs as one group. They all have one thing in common, they are by definition, extrememly on the fringe, right wing. For good or evil, that's how they're defined. Just as obambis' buddies in the Weather underground are extreme left wing wackjobs.

Hey Ping, 28 dry days on the wet side.... send water....

91 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:18:54pm

re: #89 BatGuano

That would be good. A conversation on a field clear of the mines.

Totally. And without risk of derailing the thread. I look forward to it!

92 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:19:13pm

re: #60 opnion

Kilgore, I have to ask, What does Right Wing activity in Germany have to do with a false vet here who did a terrible thing? Just askin.

Right wing extremists are increasing activity and violence here in the US and in Europe.

93 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:20:04pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer
just as you can't paint all Vets as criminals
Link to ONE post that CJ has done this. Just one.
you can't paint all Americans against illegal immigration as violent right wing extremists,
One post again, please, where CJ painted with such a broad brush.

94 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:20:12pm

re: #90 JCM
My bro was over from Burlington this last weekend, commented on the same thing!

95 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:20:45pm

re: #88 Cato the Elder

Take your hammer and go pound...

Oh, never mind.

GAZE

Waste of time. You know the M.O.

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96 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:20:47pm

re: #41 iceweasel

And everyone who can't read seems to think the DHS memo is about them. Not so.

That's because the poor numbskulls can't read. They rely on O'Reilly or Oprah to tell them what's in those odd devices full of deviltry known as books.

By the way, I left you a note at the end of the overnight thread. ;^)

97 Steffan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:21:19pm

re: #65 BatGuano

I was just asking how he is associated with the right wing.

He's a Troofer and he hates neo-cons. Yep, certainly right wing to me.

/yeah, well...

Personally, I feel that uncovering a fake vet, especially one who claims to have won certain medals, is a service to all veterans.

Incidentally, pretending to be a vet is a Federal crime now. Not to mention the physical pain of being caught pretending to be a SEAL or SF troop.

98 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:21:37pm

re: #74 Sledgehammer

As one of the many veterans who have visited LGF over the years I've yet to find Charles slander any members of the military. Those usually found to be deserving of criticism are almost always shit birds.

99 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:21:56pm

re: #61 axegrinder

Neo-Nazi's are considered right-wing in Germany? Really?


Yes. They are considered right wing everywhere. It's beyond debate. I've seen the arguments before and I know all about Jonah Goldberg. I'm not going to engage in pointless debates about it.

100 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:22:01pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder
IIRC, didn't that devilish memo outline nutjobs from both spectrums? Left and right?

101 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:22:53pm

re: #98 Idle Drifter

As one of the many veterans who have visited LGF over the years I've yet to find Charles slander any members of the military.

And if I ever do, just slap me.

102 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:23:13pm

re: #95 Naso Tang

Waste of time. You know the M.O.

Registered since: Feb 24, 2009 at 6:03 pm
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0

Quick Sledgie! Before you get banned! Copy the private thread and see what you can sell it for at Swamprats 'R' Us!

That's assuming you aren't one of Savage's socks to begin with.

103 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:23:23pm

OT: Lamb Curry: Rogan Josh
Yum!

104 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:24:36pm

re: #100 pingjockey

IIRC, didn't that devilish memo outline nutjobs from both spectrums? Left and right?

No, they were separate memos. Separate but equal.

DHS makes no left-right distinctions, to the dismay of many.

(What we pay them for.)

105 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:24:42pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout
The only time I ever had lamb and liked it was in the UAE, and it came in a pita pocket like thing called a schwarma(sp).

106 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:25:45pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Right wing extremists are increasing activity and violence here in the US and in Europe.

How long has there been a catagory for 'right-wing extremist' in crime tracking polls? Is this recently made up or has this been around awhile? Do we owe Timmy McVeigh for this? I disremember a 'left-wing extemist' catagory. Unless you enclude eco-terrorist.

107 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:25:49pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder
Ah, see there. Two memos. OMG! I guess the one about ELF/ALF didn't get as much airplay!

108 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:25:53pm

re: #105 pingjockey

I don't know why we don't eat more lamb in this country. It's quite delicious.

109 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:26:27pm

re: #105 pingjockey

I love lamb. LOVE IT. My family? Not so much. So I'll get some lamb chops when I make pork chops for them (Not a big pork fan here). Why do you care? I dunno.

110 NelsFree  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:26:29pm

Good evening Lizards,

Perhaps we should fire up the grill, just in case, y'know? I've got the beer. Another point: the number of Vets here indicates Charles' support for persons of a Military inclination. I wonder if DKos and the like have similar inclusions? Would Democrat Underground tolerate rank devices or unit badges.

111 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:26:34pm

re: #97 Steffan

Thanks. Liberals hate neo-cons too.

112 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:26:47pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout
Aw come on, how could eat such a sweet little critter as a lamb?! //

113 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:26:51pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I don't know why we don't eat more lamb in this country. It's quite delicious.

It's not baaaaaaaaaaad.
/sorry

114 gman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:27:01pm

re: #12 FurryOldGuyJeans

An axe to grind and an agenda to push.

Yes and yes. John's been grinding that axe ever since Charles brought up the DHS report. Oh, and he thinks Lizards are stupid.
check out his post on Ace of Spades:
[Link: bit.ly...]

115 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:27:16pm

re: #105 pingjockey

The only time I ever had lamb and liked it was in the UAE, and it came in a pita pocket like thing called a schwarma(sp).

Find a mom and pop Indian restaurant.
Lamb Vindaloo.

116 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:27:28pm

re: #109 ArmyWife
I really don't. :) was giving KT a bad time!

117 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:27:38pm

re: #101 Charles

And if I ever do, just slap me.

Charles, if you ever slander the military I'd probably have to conduct a series of tests to make sure you weren't a pod person or something.
//////

118 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:28:09pm

re: #115 JCM
You sound like the guy off of Red Dwarf!

119 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:28:19pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder

That's because the poor numbskulls can't read. They rely on O'Reilly or Oprah to tell them what's in those odd devices full of deviltry known as books.

By the way, I left you a note at the end of the overnight thread. ;^)

Hey, I just came back from answering it! :)

In re: your point: Yes, it's part of a kind of pride in being "anti-intellectual" which I can't stand. Signals the death of discourse and inquiry, in my opinion.

120 NelsFree  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:28:20pm

re: #105 pingjockey

The only time I ever had lamb and liked it was in the UAE, and it came in a pita pocket like thing called a schwarma(sp).

If you got in at a drive-thru, would that make it a "car schwarma"?
/just askin'

121 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:28:49pm

re: #112 pingjockey

Aw come on, how could eat such a sweet little critter as a lamb?! //

On the griill, infused with mint. ;)

122 Steffan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:28:59pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I don't know why we don't eat more lamb in this country. It's quite delicious.

PETA. They don't like veal or venison, either. They positively loathe foie gras.

It sometimes amazes me that there are thriving French restaurants in Chicago and the West Side of Manhattan.

123 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:29:28pm

re: #106 axegrinder

How long has there been a catagory for 'right-wing extremist' in crime tracking polls? Is this recently made up or has this been around awhile? Do we owe Timmy McVeigh for this? I disremember a 'left-wing extemist' catagory. Unless you enclude eco-terrorist.

Um, I might be wrong, but it could even go back as far as George Lincoln Rockwell. Or maybe even Charles Lindbergh.

Not sure when the term itself came into being. Whenever it was, before that we tended to just lump them all in together as traitors. Rosenberg, Rockwell: each with his place in hell.

124 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:29:49pm

re: #110 NelsFree

Good evening Lizards,

Perhaps we should fire up the grill, just in case, y'know? I've got the beer. Another point: the number of Vets here indicates Charles' support for persons of a Military inclination. I wonder if DKos and the like have similar inclusions? Would Democrat Underground tolerate rank devices or unit badges.

Kos himself is a vet.

125 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:29:53pm

re: #116 pingjockey

I meant why do you care that I make lamb chops while the rest of the family eats pork. It was a rant going to nowheresville!

126 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:30:03pm
127 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:30:12pm

re: #114 gman

I think the people commenting at his blog are stupid. Hope he's proud.

128 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:30:19pm

re: #122 Steffan

They don't like sea-kitten, either.

129 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:30:22pm

While I appreciate vigilance in defending our military from slurs and blanket "bad-apple" accusations, it doesn't help anyone to accuse in a knee-jerk fashion. "Boy Who Cried Wolf" and all that.

130 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:30:36pm

re: #119 iceweasel

Hey, I just came back from answering it! :)

In re: your point: Yes, it's part of a kind of pride in being "anti-intellectual" which I can't stand. Signals the death of discourse and inquiry, in my opinion.

Inquiry is bad for the digestion. And after the first sixpack, it becomes downright painful.

131 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:30:41pm

re: #98 Idle Drifter

As one of the many veterans who have visited LGF over the years I've yet to find Charles slander any members of the military.

Ditto. I second that.

132 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:30:45pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I don't know why we don't eat more lamb in this country. It's quite delicious.

It's Jodie Foster's fault, IMO.

/

133 hazzyday  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:30:54pm

I think LGF is very supportive of veterans. Out front of a lot of places on the internet. No harm noting this guys claim to be a vet and letting it be fact checked. Many lizards had unique insight into this. Iy better to make a public example of these guys on the people who pretend to have service. I don't really mind if someone has the innocent to imagine themselves a general in the army. But if they pass themselves off as someone and commit crimes, their retribution should weigh their lies.

134 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:31:39pm

Finally! A plan to asplode da mooooon!
NASA To Trigger Massive Explosion On the Moon In Search of Ice

"NASA is preparing to launch the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite, which will fly a Centaur rocket booster into the moon, triggering a six-mile-high explosion that scientists hope will confirm whether water is frozen in the perpetual darkness of craters near the moon's south pole.


Having that giant rock over my head has always made me nervous. I'll be glad when it's gone.

135 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:31:42pm

re: #128 BignJames

Crab imperial stuffed sea kitten is pretty darn good!

136 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:31:50pm

re: #121 ArmyWife


Never had lamb....any special prep. for grilling?

137 doubter4444  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:32:11pm

re: #107 pingjockey

Ah, see there. Two memos. OMG! I guess the one about ELF/ALF didn't get as much airplay!

hummmm.... just a thought, perhaps it's because ELF/ALF has not just murdered someone. In a church. In front of family and friends. In Gods name.
For a start.

138 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:32:11pm
139 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:32:18pm

re: #133 hazzyday

I think LGF is very supportive of veterans. Out front of a lot of places on the internet. No harm noting this guys claim to be a vet and letting it be fact checked. Many lizards had unique insight into this. Iy better to make a public example of these guys on the people who pretend to have service. I don't really mind if someone has the innocent to imagine themselves a general in the army. But if they pass themselves off as someone and commit crimes, their retribution should weigh their lies.

That's one of the big reasons I posted about it - because many fake veterans have been exposed when their claims were made public via the Internet.

140 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:32:19pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I don't know why we don't eat more lamb in this country. It's quite delicious.

I agree. And the cuts available are so limited here in California. Annoying.

141 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:32:45pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

Inquiry is bad for the digestion. And after the first sixpack, it becomes downright painful.

That's the old Roman in you again. The Greeks called it a symposium for a reason, you know. "Drinking party". :)

142 NelsFree  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:33:05pm

re: #124 iceweasel

Kos himself is a vet.

Yes, such a sterling example of military experience.
*gag* He is the exception that proves the rule.
My suspicion is that there are few Vets on the Left.

143 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:33:15pm

re: #125 ArmyWife
D'oh! Gotta go folks, have a restraunt fire supression system that needs its maintenance!

144 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:33:17pm

re: #135 ArmyWife

Crab imperial stuffed sea kitten is pretty darn good!

Flounder sea-kitten stuffed w/crab is one of my faves.

145 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:33:20pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

Take the fuzzy hide off first.

After you stare into its huge, soulful eyes and slit its throat to capture its powers, naturally.

/

146 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:33:22pm

re: #136 BignJames

Never had lamb....any special prep. for grilling?

If you ever find yourself in the Detroit Metro Area go to Greek Town in downtown Detroit!

147 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:33:49pm

re: #132 OldLineTexan

It's Jodie Foster's fault, IMO.

/

SILENCE!

148 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:34:43pm

re: #137 doubter4444

hummmm.... just a thought, perhaps it's because ELF/ALF has not just murdered someone. In a church. In front of family and friends. In Gods name.
For a start.

Nah, just set boobytraps and murdered strangers.

149 hazzyday  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:34:47pm

re: #133 hazzyday

I think LGF is very supportive of veterans. Out front of a lot of places on the internet. No harm noting this guys claim to be a vet and letting it be fact checked. Many lizards had unique insight into this. Iy better to make a public example of these guys on the people who pretend to have service. I don't really mind if someone has the innocent to imagine themselves a general in the army. But if they pass themselves off as someone and commit crimes, their retribution should weigh their lies.

This paragraph is not even readable. I blame gremlins. But the lesson of PIMF.

150 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:35:36pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

Take the fuzzy hide off first.


And give up all that fiber?

151 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:35:48pm

re: #118 pingjockey

You sound like the guy off of Red Dwarf!

Did you just call me Rimmer?

*outraged look ///*

152 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:36:05pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Finally! A plan to asplode da mooooon!

Space: 2009

153 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:36:22pm

re: #136 BignJames

Get a boneless leg of lamb. Prep it with salt, pepper, rosemary, garlic. Grill it on high (silver side down) for about 7 minutes. flip it over and close up the grill. turn it down to medium low heat for about 40 minutes. Let it rest for about 15 minutes before you start carving it or all the juices will run out. Should be nice and medium rare.

154 justdanny  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:36:50pm

Thats a good site. Thanks for the link, Charles.

Youre a good man, Charles Johnson.

Tiny people with meaningless lives and simple minds hate on you. I guess this is what happens when the doorbell/phone never rings. They get tied up in weird obsessions, their obsessions grow limbs and squat in their minds like sick, twisted roadkill come to life.

155 NelsFree  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:37:01pm

re: #126 buzzsawmonkey

It's only "car schwarma" if it's cooked on the smoldering engine block during a genuine "Palestinian" car swarm.

Now I'm confused. The women do the cooking in Muslim societies, so the men have to run up to the destroyed car to put the foil packets on the block or on top of the burning roof. Remember to turn them over after five minutes! I guess that if the women did that, the delicacy named, "flaming hijab kabob" would be a mainstay of Gaza.
/h not advocating immolation, by the way.

156 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:37:09pm

re: #136 BignJames

Lots of different ways - heck, olive oil, garlic, salt and pepper is great! Just like you'd cook a steak. You can do different herbs, a bit of mint is really good (not a fan of mint jelly, but some like it). A mint curry is GREAT, but I love Indian food - if you do, too, look up some lamb kabob recipes.

(I'm typing this and laughing because last road trip my 11 year old spelled "kabob" "Kaboob" playing madlibs and it's stuck in Casa de ArmyWife)

157 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:37:18pm

re: #151 JCM

Did you just call me Rimmer?

*outraged look ///*

I think he said "A rimmer"

///

158 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:37:23pm

re: #146 Idle Drifter

If you ever find yourself in the Detroit Metro Area go to Greek Town in downtown Detroit you've made a wrong turn somewhere!

159 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:37:42pm

re: #140 kynna

I agree. And the cuts available are so limited here in California. Annoying.

Same here in Oregon. It's also seasonal. I can get it about once or twice a year. I stock up the freezer. Trader Joe's has pretty good prices sometimes.

160 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:38:05pm

re: #149 hazzyday

This paragraph is not even readable. I blame gremlins. But the lesson of PIMF.

You know who really hates fake vets?

REAL vets.

It can be funny. A member of my club (now deceased, unfortunately) was a decorated Marine veteran of Korea who worked with other Marines (including CMoH winner Mitchell Paige) to expose fake vets and people claiming significant awards that they did not earn. It was amazing how many fake CMoH claims there were.

161 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:38:12pm

re: #119 iceweasel

Hey, I just came back from answering it! :)

In re: your point: Yes, it's part of a kind of pride in being "anti-intellectual" which I can't stand. Signals the death of discourse and inquiry, in my opinion.

Answered back!

162 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:38:39pm

re: #151 JCM

Did you just call me Rimmer?

*outraged look ///*

I think of you as The Cat.

/this is mine (squirt), that's mine (squirt)

163 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:39:18pm

re: #139 Charles

That's one of the big reasons I posted about it - because many fake veterans have been exposed when their claims were made public via the Internet.

When I read your note that his military claims hadn't been confirmed I saw it clearly as you expressing doubts. But if he actually had been the super soldier he claimed to be, and you had strongly doubted, you'd have been kicked around for that and accused of the "no true Scotsman" take.

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:39:40pm

re: #80 Duane

Charles, speaking of soldiers, have you find any news on the soldiers slain in Arkansas by the Muslim?

Do you?

165 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:39:59pm

re: #162 OldLineTexan

I think of you as The Cat.

/this is mine (squirt), that's mine (squirt)

ROFLMAO!

166 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:40:25pm

quite a few posters expressed reservations abt. this person being a vet.
his embellished record of service was over the top.

167 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:40:57pm

re: #166 nyc redneck

quite a few posters expressed reservations abt. this person being a vet.
his embellished record of service was over the top.

You mean he didn't shoot Hitler in the battle of San Juan Hill?

/

168 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:41:13pm

Now they're over there at their stuffy little lair explaining to one "Thomas von der Trave" how von Brunn, the Klan and the (neo)Nazis were all leftists of the first water. No word yet on McVeigh.

169 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:41:43pm

re: #167 OldLineTexan

You mean he didn't shoot Hitler in the battle of San Juan Hill?

/

LOL

170 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:41:44pm

Good evening all.

It feels strange being on an exposed thread now after the private thread this afternoon...I feel, I don't know...NEKID!

Hey, lgf2...believe it or not, we were not talking about you.

Thanks Charles for all of the new gizmos.

171 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:42:07pm

re: #158 VegasRick

Detroit is where the weak are killed and eaten.
/////

Hell, it's only a 10 minute drive to get to downtown Detroit from my parents place via Fort Street.

172 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:42:28pm

re: #141 iceweasel

That's the old Roman in you again. The Greeks called it a symposium for a reason, you know. "Drinking party". :)

Romans think standing up and drinking lying down. Mixing makes us dizzy.

173 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:43:25pm

you know, I have been someone who has tried my best to cut President Obama some slack. Although I have questioned his policies and lack of a moral compass, I have never been vicious with the personal stuff. but this fucking non stop whining about FOX news has gotten really tiresome:

[Link: www.thefoxnation.com...]

Mr President, instead of attacking Americans at FOX who are doing their job, how about doing YOUR job and stop your fucking whining. You diminish yourself, you diminish the office of POTUS, and you look like a baby and a wimp.

174 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:43:41pm

re: #170 jorline

Good evening all.

It feels strange being on an exposed thread now after the private thread this afternoon...I feel, I don't know...NEKID!

Hey, lgf2...believe it or not, we were not talking about you.

Thanks Charles for all of the new gizmos.

Good evening Jorline! Hope you are well

175 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:44:47pm
176 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:44:57pm

re: #105 pingjockey

The only time I ever had lamb and liked it was in the UAE, and it came in a pita pocket like thing called a schwarma(sp).

Had lamb tongue in Bahrain once. Odd thing, but not bad.

177 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:45:20pm

re: #170 jorline

Good evening all.

It feels strange being on an exposed thread now after the private thread this afternoon...I feel, I don't know...NEKID!

Hey, lgf2...believe it or not, we were not talking about you.

Thanks Charles for all of the new gizmos.

This isn't a private thread ? ! ? !

*grabs towel and attempts to escape unnoticed*

178 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:45:42pm

re: #174 HoosierHoops

Good evening Jorline! Hope you are well

Hey Hoosier ...

179 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:46:42pm

re: #176 Unakite

Had lamb tongue in Bahrain once. Odd thing, but not bad.

Saw a jar of pickled lambs tongues once......pretty gross to a 10yo.

180 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:47:04pm
181 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:47:18pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

FrankJ has infiltrated NASA?

182 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:47:18pm

re: #171 Idle Drifter

Detroit is where the weak are killed and eaten.
/////

Hell, it's only a 10 minute drive to get to downtown Detroit from my parents place via Fort Street.

I like visiting Detroit because you are only minutes away from Cuban Cigars..
OH Canada!

183 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:47:40pm

re: #171 Idle Drifter

Detroit is where the weak are killed and eaten.
/////

Hell, it's only a 10 minute drive to get to downtown Detroit from my parents place via Fort Street.

Is Matt Millen still alive?

184 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:48:11pm

re: #178 _RememberTonyC

Hey Hoosier ...

What up Bro? Hope today finds you well
The Sox play today?

185 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:48:23pm

re: #174 HoosierHoops

Good evening Jorline! Hope you are well

Hi ya Hoopster. I'm well, how are you in the post basketball season?

186 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:48:33pm

re: #124 iceweasel

Kos himself is a vet.

So were John Kerry, Wesley Clark, Randi Rhodes (Air America kook), and Adam Kokesh (Paulestinian kook). There are bad apples in every group. It doesn't spoil the whole of the military though.

187 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:48:37pm

re: #173 _RememberTonyC

you know, I have been someone who has tried my best to cut President Obama some slack. Although I have questioned his policies and lack of a moral compass, I have never been vicious with the personal stuff. but this fucking non stop whining about FOX news has gotten really tiresome:

[Link: www.thefoxnation.com...]

Couldn't agree more. I respect the office but he does make it hard. I also think he's missing a good opportunity to support the Iranian people in their struggle against tyranny. I don't mean sending the Marines but some verbal support would be nice.

Mr President, instead of attacking Americans at FOX who are doing their job, how about doing YOUR job and stop your fucking whining. You diminish yourself, you diminish the office of POTUS, and you look like a baby and a wimp.

188 poteen  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:48:40pm

re: #171 Idle Drifter

Detroit is where the weak are killed and eaten.
/////

Hell, it's only a 10 minute drive to get to downtown Detroit from my parents place via Fort Street.

I Starvin marvin's still in Wyandotte?

189 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:48:42pm

re: #173 _RememberTonyC

He's just upset he hasn't found a way to co-opt or nationalize it yet.

190 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:49:00pm

re: #173 _RememberTonyC

]

Mr President, instead of attacking Americans at FOX who are doing their job, how about doing YOUR job and stop your fucking whining. You diminish yourself, you diminish the office of POTUS, and you look like a baby and a wimp.

Well, it's so unusual when Fox does do a positive story on the POTUS they get hate mail. It's their niche market, catering to conservatives, just as MSNBC does for the far lefties. If you don't like Obama, Fox is where you hang out.

191 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:49:07pm

re: #183 VegasRick

Is Matt Millen still alive?

Not for the Lions.

192 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:49:30pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

What up Bro? Hope today finds you well
The Sox play today?


yes sir ... leading 5-1 after 8 innings. are the fish biting?

193 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:49:56pm
194 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:50:20pm

re: #177 JCM

This isn't a private thread ? ! ? !

*grabs towel and attempts to escape unnoticed*

To late...we saw your nekid buttock...lol

How are you jcm?

195 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:50:54pm

re: #190 avanti

Well, it's so unusual when Fox does do a positive story on the POTUS they get hate mail. It's their niche market, catering to conservatives, just as MSNBC does for the far lefties. If you don't like Obama, Fox is where you hang out.

How much FOX news do you watch?

196 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:51:09pm

re: #183 VegasRick

Is Matt Millen still alive?

Well he made his money off the Lions. I wish they would get a new owner. Current owner Ford doesn't seem to be serious about winning any championships.

197 altermite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:51:30pm

re: #142 NelsFree

Yes, such a sterling example of military experience.
*gag* He is the exception that proves the rule.
My suspicion is that there are few Vets on the Left.

My suspicion is that you are wrong. I've met a number of liberal veterans. More than conservative in fact, but I live in a fairly liberal state. My suspicion is that the military isn't that far from the general population as far as that goes.

198 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:51:30pm

re: #175 Iron Fist

One thing I try to be very careful about is that I don't claim service that I am not entitled to. I was civilian attached my senior year of high school. I'm proud of what I did, but I don't want to be seen as claiming more than I am due.

Our troops are not just the best in the world, they are the best the world has ever seen.

Ever. 300 at Thermoplye are what we expect of our troops every day.

And they deliver.

Goodbetterbest.

I expect there are some Israelis (and some dead Romans and - for that matter - Germans) who would take issue.

But let it stand.

199 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:51:42pm

Modern communications definitely shrinking the world.

C.f. earlier posts of live tornado chasers (also, Austin MN was hit about half hour ago with large tornado, injuries reported.)

Chaser near Charles City Iowa (which many years ago was devastated by a tornado):

[Link: chasertv.com...]

200 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:52:14pm

re: #195 VegasRick

How much FOX news do you watch?

ROTFLMAO. Like most Limbaugh h8rs ... probably nothing not prefiltered and pre-opinionized.

201 Gearhead  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:52:15pm

re: #177 JCM

This isn't a private thread ? ! ? !

*grabs towel and attempts to escape unnoticed*

Nice tattoo. Odd placement...

202 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:52:27pm

re: #172 Cato the Elder

Romans think standing up and drinking lying down. Mixing makes us dizzy.

You're missing out on one of the sublimest pleasures of life: thinking and drinking while lying down. But that may be the Epicurean in me.

203 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:52:29pm

re: #194 jorline

To late...we saw your nekid buttock...lol

How are you jcm?

Doing well, sitting on the deck watching the kids ride bikes and terrorize tent caterpillars. If I was ambitious right now I'd do some chemical warfare on them. (The caterpillars not the kids)

204 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:52:44pm

re: #176 Unakite

Had beef tongue in France. I remember it being really tender. Don't think I could do it now - I was young and not clear tongue meant tongue.

205 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:52:48pm

re: #190 avanti

Well, it's so unusual when Fox does do a positive story on the POTUS they get hate mail. It's their niche market, catering to conservatives, just as MSNBC does for the far lefties. If you don't like Obama, Fox is where you hang out.

sorry friend, i disagree. obama is so spoiled by the kid gloves treatment he receives from the media that ANY coverage that is not fawning is considered unfair. did you ever hear GW Bush complain so much about his coverage? It was much more unfair than anything Obama has received. Obama needs to thicken up his skin. Because his petulant little hissy fits are being watched by the whole world.

206 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:52:53pm

re: #196 Idle Drifter

Well he made his money off the Lions. I wish they would get a new owner. Current owner Ford doesn't seem to be serious about winning any championships.

0-16 is pretty rough. I am a Fins fan and we almost did that a couple of years ago.

207 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:52:53pm

re: #195 VegasRick

How much FOX news do you watch?

It's all I watch during the day. Shepard Smith and a few others are fair, but the rest grab a small issue and beat it to death.

208 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:53:04pm

re: #179 BignJames

Saw a jar of pickled lambs tongues once......pretty gross to a 10yo.

I think jars of pickled pigs' feet are gross, and I'm way past 10. :)

209 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:53:27pm

re: #188 poteen

I Starvin marvin's still in Wyandotte?

I don't know, I only visit home when I got the money. I'm currently living in Colorado.

210 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:53:46pm

re: #197 altermite

I'd disagree base ONLY on personal observation. I live amongst them, and the only liberals I've really seen are the Army nurses, and even that is rare.

211 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:53:52pm

re: #185 jorline

Hi ya Hoopster. I'm well, how are you in the post basketball season?

You know the day after Christmas? Or after the SuperBowl? Or New year's eve? That empty feeling? Charles was most likely at the Laker Parade downtown LA today celebrating that the Hoopster can't talk Ball for another Season... I hope he didn't drink too much.. :)

212 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:54:14pm

re: #201 Gearhead

Nice tattoo. Odd placement...

LOL! I don't remember a thing.... the whole evening....

213 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:54:19pm

re: #201 Gearhead

Nice tattoo. Odd placement...

Um.......I don't think that's a tattoo.
/

214 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:54:38pm

re: #196 Idle Drifter

Well he made his money off the Lions. I wish they would get a new owner. Current owner Ford doesn't seem to be serious about winning any championships.

If it was GM or Chrysler we'd all own part of the Lions.

215 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:54:52pm

re: #206 VegasRick

0-16 is pretty rough. I am a Fins fan and we almost did that a couple of years ago.

Well I guess the Lions can only surprise me now.

216 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:55:04pm

re: #207 avanti

It's all I watch during the day. Shepard Smith and a few others are fair, but the rest grab a small issue and beat it to death.

Is CNN fair?

217 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:55:15pm

re: #205 _RememberTonyC

sorry friend, i disagree. obama is so spoiled by the kid gloves treatment he receives from the media that ANY coverage that is not fawning is considered unfair. did you ever hear GW Bush complain so much about his coverage? It was much more unfair than anything Obama has received. Obama needs to thicken up his skin. Because his petulant little hissy fits are being watched by the whole world.

And ABC is doing the health care roll out special, talk about a lip lock.....

218 SteveC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:55:22pm

re: #207 avanti

It's all I watch during the day. Shepard Smith and a few others are fair, but the rest grab a small issue and beat it to death.

You mean you didn't get enough Natalee is missing, hide your children?

219 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:55:24pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Well, the Canadians seem to have every one beat in the sniper dept., unless that has changed recently.

220 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:55:33pm

re: #186 ArchangelMichael

So were John Kerry, Wesley Clark, Randi Rhodes (Air America kook), and Adam Kokesh (Paulestinian kook). There are bad apples in every group. It doesn't spoil the whole of the military though.

The poster claimed there were no vets on the left, or at Kos.

You might not like these particular vets, but you can't claim there are no vets on the left. And the founder of Kos is a vet.

221 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:55:37pm

re: #207 avanti

It's all I watch during the day. Shepard Smith and a few others are fair, but the rest grab a small issue and beat it to death.


Juan Williams
Bob Beckel
Greta van Susteren
Geraldo Rivera

Just a few of the big names on FOX who are quite "progressive." I could go on.

222 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:56:04pm

OT: Families, women in chadors join Iran's opposition

223 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:56:06pm

re: #213 VegasRick

Um.......I don't think that's a tattoo.
/

Hey! I shower! ..... once a month, whether I need it or not!

224 Gearhead  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:56:07pm

re: #208 Unakite

I think jars of pickled pigs' feet are gross, and I'm way past 10. :)

There's nothing like walking past the meat dept. and seeing a pack of pigs ears - with a few hairs still attached.

225 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:56:10pm

re: #205 _RememberTonyC

sorry friend, i disagree. obama is so spoiled by the kid gloves treatment he receives from the media that ANY coverage that is not fawning is considered unfair. did you ever hear GW Bush complain so much about his coverage? It was much more unfair than anything Obama has received. Obama needs to thicken up his skin. Because his petulant little hissy fits are being watched by the whole world.


He was not bitching about the coverage, he was responding to the claim that he got all fawning coverage, when Fox is as negative as the others are positive. True, with the exception of Fox, it is too friendly.

226 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:56:17pm

re: #192 _RememberTonyC

yes sir ... leading 5-1 after 8 innings. are the fish biting?

Not really... I think...There are lot's of new bars and food joints along Lake Tomahawk...Note to self...Need to fish more....

227 SteveC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:56:25pm

re: #214 jorline

If it was GM or Chrysler we'd all own part of the Lions.

This is NOT stimulating!

228 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:57:10pm

re: #217 JCM

And ABC is doing the health care roll out special, talk about a lip lock.....


and Brian Williams actually genuflected to Obama

229 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:57:10pm

re: #220 iceweasel

The poster claimed there were no vets on the left, or at Kos.

You might not like these particular vets, but you can't claim there are no vets on the left. And the founder of Kos is a vet.

In #110, doubt was expressed.

No such claim as highlighted above was made.

230 altermite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:58:03pm

re: #229 OldLineTexan

In #110, doubt was expressed.

No such claim as highlighted above was made.

Right. He claimed there were almost none, not 0 at all. Which is harder to disprove, if not much less absurd.

231 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:58:22pm

re: #203 JCM

Doing well, sitting on the deck watching the kids ride bikes and terrorize tent caterpillars. If I was ambitious right now I'd do some chemical warfare on them. (The caterpillars not the kids)

lmao...all kidding aside, you're to be commended for all you have done for the kids you've raised over the years.

232 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:58:25pm

re: #226 HoosierHoops

Not really... I think...There are lot's of new bars and food joints along Lake Tomahawk...Note to self...Need to fish more....

beer and good food ... who needs anyway!

233 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:58:49pm

re: #221 _RememberTonyC

Juan Williams
Bob Beckel
Greta van Susteren
Geraldo Rivera

Just a few of the big names on FOX who are quite "progressive." I could go on.

I would not wish "Cracker Bob" Beckel on the left. He is a nasty piece of work.

And Geraldo's moustache is VERY conservative ... I hear it volunteered for Goldwater.

/

234 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:59:08pm

re: #142 NelsFree

Yes, such a sterling example of military experience.
*gag* He is the exception that proves the rule.
My suspicion is that there are few Vets on the Left.

I call BS on that one, there are vets of all political persuasions.

235 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:59:11pm

re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, the Canadians seem to have every one beat in the sniper dept., unless that has changed recently.

Americans, Canadians, Scots, Aussie's, Kiwis, S. Africans are all tough SOB's. Something about the former colonies that made us bad asses....wonder what it was? The bad food we inherited? The language? The Anglo-Saxon-Viking mentality?

236 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:59:12pm

Who's Behind Tehran's Violence?
Opposition supporters worry about their movement being hijacked.

That's possible, but many Mousavi supporters suspect that pro-Ahmadinejad thugs have been staging incidents in order to justify an official backlash. Another worry are scattered anti-regime militant groups, who in recent years have committed bombings and assassinations in various parts of the country. On Wednesday morning, Mousavi's wife, Zahra Rahnavard, who was with her husband throughout the presidential campaign, felt the need to remind a group of students that she and her husband still believe in the ideals of the revolution and don't regard anti-Islamic Revolution elements as their allies.

Wheels in wheels.

237 Gearhead  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:59:20pm

re: #228 _RememberTonyC

and Brian Williams actually genuflected to Obama

America, welcome to the age of 'state media'.

238 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:59:23pm

re: #204 ArmyWife

Had beef tongue in France. I remember it being really tender. Don't think I could do it now - I was young and not clear tongue meant tongue.

Agreed. The lamb's tongue was a trick by the person buying dinner. You know, try it you'll like it. Then told everyone afterwords what it was. I'm cool with muscle meat, but not the inside stuff.

239 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:59:33pm

re: #230 altermite

re: #229 OldLineTexan

Points taken, and accepted!

240 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 6:59:51pm

re: #225 avanti

He was not bitching about the coverage, he was responding to the claim that he got all fawning coverage, when Fox is as negative as the others are positive. True, with the exception of Fox, it is too friendly.


he has called out FOX many times, not just that one time on CNBC. hecomes off as spoiled and coddled when he does it.

241 MarineGrunt  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:00:10pm

Charles, "Don't sweat the small stuff" as the old saying goes.

This ol' Grunt is behind you 100 per.

242 JCM  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:00:36pm

re: #231 jorline

lmao...all kidding aside, you're to be commended for all you have done for the kids you've raised over the years.

The kids are the fun part.... it's dealing with the State agencies that is tough.

243 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:00:44pm

re: #230 altermite

Right. He claimed there were almost none, not 0 at all. Which is harder to disprove, if not much less absurd.

The text of #110 is below. Please show me the words "almost none".

Good evening Lizards,

Perhaps we should fire up the grill, just in case, y'know? I've got the beer. Another point: the number of Vets here indicates Charles' support for persons of a Military inclination. I wonder if DKos and the like have similar inclusions? Would Democrat Underground tolerate rank devices or unit badges.

244 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:00:56pm

re: #230 altermite

I'd like to point you to my response. I see very, very little who sway Dem or liberal in the Army Community. Very little. Do I have stats? Nope. A lot of personal observation, though.

245 hazzyday  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:01:14pm

I think we are missing a "navywife" though.

246 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:01:25pm

re: #230 altermite

Right. He claimed there were almost none, not 0 at all. Which is harder to disprove, if not much less absurd.

Ahhh, you are bitching about #142.

Belay my last.

247 doubter4444  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:01:45pm

Iceweasel:

In re: your point: Yes, it's part of a kind of pride in being "anti-intellectual" which I can't stand. Signals the death of discourse and inquiry, in my opinion.

I agree, the whole "Elitist" and "Anti-Intellectual" shtick really bugs me.
It's completely hypocritical and counter productive.
Since when is being well-informed, educated, and having thoughtful opinions a bad thing?
I know it's an "outside the beltway" thing, and trying to prove your not some effete snob, so yes I get that. But dissing thinking and experiencing and learning about the world is really depressing.
My favorite author growing up is a perfect example of what I think:
Louis L'Amour.

L'Amour is a hero to the conservative side, in fact and one of Reagan's favorite authors too.
His heros were quiet self reliant men (and women) who ALWAYS cared and loved learning. In fact they almost always carry a book of classic writing with them, and have great respect for the intellectual side of life.
To demean that and to trash "book-learning" not only rings false but is self-serving bull that attracts only idiots and crazies that surprise! leads to exactly what this thread is about: Extreme fringes that are almost uncomprehensible to normal human beings.

248 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:02:03pm

re: #110 NelsFree

Good evening Lizards,

Perhaps we should fire up the grill, just in case, y'know? I've got the beer. Another point: the number of Vets here indicates Charles' support for persons of a Military inclination. I wonder if DKos and the like have similar inclusions? Would Democrat Underground tolerate rank devices or unit badges.

Alongside the craziness at DKos, there are many thoughtful vets posting...and many, many articles and threads honoring vets and their service. More than once, they've brought tears to my eyes.

Plenty other stuff to criticize DKos for, but inferring they're anti-vet is just not fair or accurate. As we all know, vets aren't monolithic in their ideology or voting preferences, and I don't know of any sites that discourage them from posting.

249 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:02:13pm

re: #232 _RememberTonyC

beer and good food ... who needs anyway!

PIMP ... who needs FISH anyway?

250 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:02:15pm

Oh. My. Damn.

I sooooo want to be a Data Analyst for the Underware Advisory Board.

May or may not be NSFW, depending on where you work.

251 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:02:24pm

re: #216 VegasRick

Is CNN fair?

They are better at straight news, but the commentators are lefties.

252 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:02:28pm

re: #239 iceweasel

re: #229 OldLineTexan

Points taken, and accepted!

There was a later post with verbiage much closer to what you both claimed.

253 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:03:18pm

re: #251 avanti

They are better at straight news, but the commentators are lefties.

"Straight" as in "leaning left"?

254 SteveC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:03:36pm

There's a guy on Fark.com who seems to be up on his Iranian developments, here's something from him:

Very worrying report: Supreme Leader Khameini has called for Friday Prayers where he will be present. There are fears that the IRG (Iran Revolutionary Guard) is going to have a massive presence and that this might be a trap, but on the other hand not attending makes the reformists "enemies of Islam" and worthy of the death penalty. There are also reports that other Reformist candidate Karoubi and his entire party leadership were arrested.

255 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:03:44pm

re: #232 _RememberTonyC

beer and good food ... who needs anyway!

Dude..People in Wisconsin are serious drinkers....
I heard Lewis Black doing a stand up at UofW at Madison on a CD.
He said...You guys drink every single day.. How do you even know when It's a Holiday here? You are always drunk..

256 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:04:05pm

re: #251 avanti

They are better at straight news, but the commentators are lefties.


Car chases? Plane crashes?

257 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:04:51pm

see y'all later ... play nicely!

258 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:05:01pm

re: #238 Unakite

Agreed. The lamb's tongue was a trick by the person buying dinner. You know, try it you'll like it. Then told everyone afterwords what it was. I'm cool with muscle meat, but not the inside stuff.

But ... tongue is muscle (mostly).

/

259 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:05:33pm

re: #257 _RememberTonyC

see y'all later ... play nicely!

I'm out as well, see you all later!

260 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:06:07pm
261 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:06:08pm

EDDIE BAUER HAS DECLARED CH. 11?!

262 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:06:31pm

re: #248 ShanghaiEd

Go read DU sometime. It will bring tears to your eyes, too. For different reasons.

263 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:06:40pm

re: #261 MandyManners

yep!

264 ryannon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:06:46pm

re: #262 ArmyWife

Go read DU sometime. It will bring tears to your eyes, too. For different reasons.

Yes.

265 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:07:28pm

re: #234 avanti

I call BS on that one, there are vets of all political persuasions.

I know a vet of the "Bush was Evil! Obama is evil! All Americans are evil! New World Order is coming! Conspiracies everywhere!" type. He seems to be of all extreme political persuasions, mostly left, but with some nutty right tendencies as well. He also believes that the sun is powered by a giant cosmic electrical current, not nuclear fusion 'as the sheeple so foolishly imagine'.

266 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:07:52pm

Aww- SpaceJesus went over there and challenged them to post a comment from Charles where he cut the military. You GO, SpaceJesus!

And then there's this comment:

orange Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Its fun to watch grown people with minds and hearts of their own waste their very lives hating on a blogger.
Youre useless people. I hope your gods smile on simple minded stupity.

Wish I could give you an upding, orange.

267 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:08:09pm

re: #260 buzzsawmonkey

Me, I get my news from NPR. If you can stomach the glaring, blaring bias, they say straight out what horrors the Administration is planning--because they think that these things are just peachy.

Know your enemy.

You are braver than me. I can take about ten seconds of Amy-Semitism.

And I'm not Jewish.

268 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:08:49pm

re: #253 Desert Dog

"Straight" as in "leaning left"?

No, coverage of the protests in Iran for example, just news, not so much talking heads discussing the Letterman "Joke"

269 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:09:14pm

Winston sez (via twitter)

Due to Military neutrality, & State Police cooperation with ppl, everything will b transferred to Rev Guards tmrw
270 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:09:23pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

I admire what you have accomplished with teh jeebus, Shar. I think of you as the Cesar of teh LFGs.

/The Dork Whisperer

/

271 Billy Hank  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:09:31pm

re: #244 ArmyWife
There were lots of liberals in the military during Vietnam. Heck, even I was considered a liberal. I guess that's why I got rushed so hard by the Winter Soldier ilk when I was in grad school. The mostly negative reaction to vets in that time dried up the number of left leaners willing to volunteer. "Vets are not only unclean, they are uncool." With the draft gone, the military is now largely self selected and weights heavily right. You still get a few Scott Beauchamps who risk an enlistment just so they can bash the military.

272 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:09:57pm

re: #258 OldLineTexan

But ... tongue is muscle (mostly).

/

Yes, but it's still closer to the inside than the outside (kind of the gateway). And it's recognizable!

273 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:10:11pm

Some details on the repaid TARP Funds.
JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs Among 10 Banks That Repaid Rescue Funds


JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. are among 10 of the nation’s largest banks that repaid $68 billion to the U.S. Treasury in a step toward shedding government restrictions on lending and compensation.

JPMorgan, the second-largest U.S. bank by deposits, repaid $25 billion while Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley each gave back $10 billion. All three banks are based in New York. Banks have unveiled plans to raise more than $100 billion in capital, and financial stocks rose in the past three months on signs the global credit contraction is easing.

“Our strong capital position allowed us to pay back TARP in a very short amount of time,” said Kelly King, chief executive officer of BB&T Corp., the Winston-Salem North Carolina-based bank that repaid $3.1 billion. “Now we have a singular focus on the business of serving our clients,” King said today in a statement.

American Express Co., the biggest U.S. credit-card company, spent $3.39 billion to buy back preferred shares under the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Minneapolis-based U.S. Bancorp refunded $6.6 billion; Capital One Financial Corp. of Mclean, Virginia, repurchased $3.57 billion; Bank of New York Mellon Corp. paid $3.04 billion; Boston-based State Street Corp. returned $2 billion; and Chicago-based Northern Trust Corp. paid back $1.58 billion, the banks announced.

274 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:10:12pm
275 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:10:56pm

re: #265 Jimmah

I know a vet of the "Bush was Evil! Obama is evil! All Americans are evil! New World Order is coming! Conspiracies everywhere!" type. He seems to be of all extreme political persuasions, mostly left, but with some nutty right tendencies as well. He also believes that the sun is powered by a giant cosmic electrical current, not nuclear fusion 'as the sheeple so foolishly imagine'.

I tell those guys, "Do NOT eat the Ham & Lima Beans MRE"!

Do they listen? Hell no.

/

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:11:12pm

re: #267 OldLineTexan

You are braver than me. I can take about ten seconds of Amy-Semitism.

And I'm not Jewish.

Not sure if you knew this, but Amy's not Jewish either. Just sayin'
////

277 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:11:41pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

Aww- SpaceJesus went over there and challenged them to post a comment from Charles where he cut the military. You GO, SpaceJesus!

And then there's this comment:

Wish I could give you an upding, orange.

Space Jesus is a soldier!

278 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:12:32pm

re: #265 Jimmah

I know a vet of the "Bush was Evil! Obama is evil! All Americans are evil! New World Order is coming! Conspiracies everywhere!" type. He seems to be of all extreme political persuasions, mostly left, but with some nutty right tendencies as well. He also believes that the sun is powered by a giant cosmic electrical current, not nuclear fusion 'as the sheeple so foolishly imagine'.

I'm sure he's a Paulian too. Sounds exactly like that Kokesh guy I mentioned.

279 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:12:33pm

re: #262 ArmyWife

Go read DU sometime. It will bring tears to your eyes, too. For different reasons.

Put some Ben-Gay on your upper lip to block the smell.

/

280 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:12:36pm

re: #272 Unakite

Yes, but it's still closer to the inside than the outside (kind of the gateway). And it's recognizable!

So now tongue is the "Gateway Meat"? I like the sound of that.

281 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:12:42pm

re: #270 OldLineTexan

A couple other comments supporting Charles now besides SpaceJesus and orange.

282 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:13:04pm

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

Not sure if you knew this, but Amy's not Jewish either. Just sayin'
////

Ya figure?

/

283 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:13:12pm

re: #260 buzzsawmonkey

Me, I get my news from NPR. If you can stomach the glaring, blaring bias, they say straight out what horrors the Administration is planning--because they think that these things are just peachy.

Know your enemy.

I catch All Things Considered some days in the car. They aren't nearly as kissy butt as regular NPR. A little economic savvy goes a long way. Democracy Now, how ever, is hopelessly in the tank.

284 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:13:19pm

re: #247 doubter4444

Absolutely agree with everything you wrote. This anti-intellectual, anti-'elitist', kneejerk suspicion of education and books spills over into anti-intellectual attitudes towards science, in my opinion. It's one reason why we have creationism and ID. There's a failure to understand science or the nature of scientific theories, and an almost willful misunderstanding of them.

In re: Louis L'Amour -- This is also a point that should be made more. L'Amour is probably denigrated as being 'pop' fiction or 'just a western'. The dismissal of books because they're 'too popular' is just as damaging as the kneejerk dismissal of other books and ideas for being 'elitist', without being acquainted with them.

That kind of attitude fuels and motivates people to be defensive and motivates anti-intellectualism.

(Stephen King is another good example. Sneered at for years as a writer of merely popular fiction, and only recently being recognised for the depth of his work. Here's that old gasbag Harold Bloom ranting about him and about genre fiction in general as being too lowbrow for his refined tastes...)

[Link: www.horror.com...]

285 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:13:29pm

re: #281 Sharmuta

Good on them.

286 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:13:33pm

re: #275 OldLineTexan

I have to ask - what are "Ham & Lima Beans MRE"?

287 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:13:36pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

Aww- SpaceJesus went over there and challenged them to post a comment from Charles where he cut the military. You GO, SpaceJesus!

And then there's this comment:

Wish I could give you an upding, orange.

Good for you Space Jesus.. When I was new here I posted about a troop movement of the 3/5th Marines Out of Camp P. Not Thinking at all..
Charles Deleted it and emailed me that he was was just protecting my son and there are alot of crazy people out there that read this blog...I must be very Careful..
Tell me that Charles doesn't love our Military....

288 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:13:50pm

I know folks have their own opinions on SpaceJesus, but I've never seen him be disrespectful of our host. I think he's alright.

289 Gearhead  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:14:12pm

re: #269 reine.de.tout

Winston sez (via twitter)

Sounds bad. Coup complete?

290 Desert Dog  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:14:12pm

re: #260 buzzsawmonkey

Me, I get my news from NPR. If you can stomach the glaring, blaring bias, they say straight out what horrors the Administration is planning--because they think that these things are just peachy.

Know your enemy.

And they say it so calmly and peacefully....in a droll, snobby monotone...as if they are wiser and better than the rest of us too.....BUT, i listen to it on the Jazz station when I am driving. Read all sides of an issue and make up your own mind....a good strategy fer sure.

291 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:14:13pm

re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh. My. Damn.

I sooooo want to be a Data Analyst for the Underware Advisory Board.

May or may not be NSFW, depending on where you work.

I'm not sure what this means. I'll have to look at it again.

292 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:14:38pm

re: #282 OldLineTexan

Ya figure?

/

Wait, was that ('Amy-Semitism') an intentional misspelling? I hate when I miss those.

293 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:14:39pm

re: #262 ArmyWife

Go read DU sometime. It will bring tears to your eyes, too. For different reasons.

DU is the Free Republic of the left. The forums are a cesspool where every kind of nastiness you can imagine can be found lurking.

294 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:14:51pm

re: #271 Billy Hank

I would agree there - because Vietnam had many drafted and the culture toward Vets during this time was horrendous. I have this from news and accounts from my father. I was born in 1971, so I don't have much to go on for personal observation.

295 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:15:50pm

re: #286 Jimmah

I have to ask - what are "Ham & Lima Beans MRE"?

Apparently something Her Majesty's Armed Forces do not have to deal with.

It is, with possible exceptions that I may have missed, the vilest "food" ever presented as a "Meal, Ready to Eat".

296 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:16:09pm

re: #263 ArmyWife

yep!

I'm listening to classical on the radio to soothe my savage breast, and I heard this when NPR did it's news bit.

What's next?! No more apple pie 'cause the orchards are closed? Mom doesn't love me anymore? A baseball legend is a fucking doper?

What a world!

What a world!

297 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:16:23pm

re: #292 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, was that ('Amy-Semitism') an intentional misspelling? I hate when I miss those.

Yes, was small joke.

298 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:16:26pm
299 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:16:42pm

re: #274 buzzsawmonkey

'Nite, folks.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

300 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:17:09pm

re: #288 Sharmuta

He makes me laugh. Sometimes.

301 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:17:21pm

re: #288 Sharmuta

I know folks have their own opinions on SpaceJesus, but I've never seen him be disrespectful of our host. I think he's alright.

I agree. He sometimes has a knack for ticking people off, though. All in all, I think he's pretty decent.

302 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:17:44pm

re: #271 Billy Hank

There were lots of liberals in the military during Vietnam. Heck, even I was considered a liberal. I guess that's why I got rushed so hard by the Winter Soldier ilk when I was in grad school. The mostly negative reaction to vets in that time dried up the number of left leaners willing to volunteer. "Vets are not only unclean, they are uncool." With the draft gone, the military is now largely self selected and weights heavily right. You still get a few Scott Beauchamps who risk an enlistment just so they can bash the military.

On the other hand, there are anomalies like this one...

Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obamawww.opensecrets.org...]>

303 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:18:02pm

re: #295 OldLineTexan

As I understand it, the little bottle of tabasco is no match for this MRE.

304 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:18:03pm

re: #288 Sharmuta

I know folks have their own opinions on SpaceJesus, but I've never seen him be disrespectful of our host. I think he's alright.

My first dealings with him involved nasty, personal attacks against Mandy.

Enough said, as he ain't here AFAIK.

305 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:18:07pm

re: #278 ArchangelMichael

I'm sure he's a Paulian too. Sounds exactly like that Kokesh guy I mentioned.

I think he is too, at least partially. His obsession with the World Bank and the Federal Reserve is the give-away on that, I think. How else would a Brit come to have that as his no1 concern?

306 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:18:34pm

re: #298 uptown

Oh, go piss up a fucking rope.

307 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:19:02pm

re: #298 uptown

What on earth are you talking about?

308 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:19:06pm

re: #202 iceweasel

You're missing out on one of the sublimest pleasures of life: thinking and drinking while lying down. But that may be the Epicurean in me.

Sigh. This old senator and farmer did all of that during his wild youth. And has the liver and the arrest record to show for it.

One of my favorite things was reading, sipping Medoc and smoking Gitanes while propped up on half a dozen pillows while the German snow fell silently outside the windows of my garret in Tübingen. Not actually smoking so much as letting the stinky French perfumed tabac fumes drift lazily into my nostrils from the cigarette between my lips. Light, burn, repeat.

Alas, the physicians (Greeks, almost all of them!) now refuse me the pleasures of the vine. Their vile pills combine ill with good Tempranill. And I have no nose for smoke without the grape. (Lucky thing, that.)

The reading in bed is essential, however. Having all those dictionaries on the iPhone and Kindle makes me wonder some days what I want to keep walking for.

Then my dog reminds me.

309 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:19:51pm

re: #302 ShanghaiEd

Not that it matters now, but:

Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

[Link: www.armytimes.com...]

310 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:19:52pm

re: #307 Lynn B.

What on earth are you talking about?

Read it again and supply the needed commas and periods.

311 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:19:54pm

re: #298 uptown

that veterans returning from war and single issue voters are a great threat to our democracy

I've never seen this.

312 Photios  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:19:59pm

A kook is a kook and a criminal is a criminal.

Charles,
As for your support for military veterans (and active duty personnel as well), I will happily vouch for you. As you know, I was a regular poster here long before you even started registration (although I obviously don't post so much any more) and can happily say that in all of that time you have always been more than respectful and appreciative of any who have military service. And I have always appreciated that.

Anyone who says that you are otherwise is either ignorant or a liar.

+Photi
PS: I still read LGF every day.

313 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:20:30pm

re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth

So now tongue is the "Gateway Meat"? I like the sound of that.

Did I just accidentally coin a phrase? I like it (the phrase, not tongue). :)

314 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:21:07pm

re: #298 uptown

Lurked with our reading.......

315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:21:10pm

re: #297 OldLineTexan

Yes, was small joke.

Ah, I do not get the 'Amy' reference. I shall retract my joke about your joke which I didn't no was a joke.

316 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:21:21pm

re: #306 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a fucking rope.

Dammit I always miss the deletions.

317 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:21:25pm

re: #284 iceweasel

I read all the L'Amour books and most of the King books as a kid. Zane Grey as well. Got hooked on the western romance and individualism and adored King's 60's Rock n' Roll and kid/social structure. While entertaining I wouldn't put Gray or L'Amour in Kings class. SK was(not sure if he still is haven't read one since Tommyknockers) a GREAT writer.

318 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:21:47pm

re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, I do not get the 'Amy' reference. I shall retract my joke about your joke which I didn't no was a joke.

Amy Goodman.

319 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:21:53pm

re: #312 Photios

Stop photi-ing for compliments! ;^)

320 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:21:55pm

re: #312 Photios

That you for your service to our great country..

321 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:22:04pm

Another newb bites the dust.


Youtube Video
322 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:22:04pm

re: #310 MandyManners

Read it again and supply the needed commas and periods.

Thankfully, no longer possible.

323 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:22:16pm

and this:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Military Poll Finds Troops Wary About Obama
Six out of 10 active-duty service members say they are uncertain or pessimistic about President-elect Obama as their commander in chief.

324 Bloodnok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:22:36pm

re: #321 MandyManners

Another newb bites the dust.

[Video]

How goes the fruit fly operation?

325 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:22:41pm

re: #310 MandyManners

Read it again and supply the needed commas and periods.

No matter how many commas and periods you stick in there, it's still 100% B.S.

326 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:22:42pm

re: #311 Sharmuta

it's in their minds

327 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:22:43pm

re: #261 MandyManners

EDDIE BAUER HAS DECLARED CH. 11?!

Yep......

Eddie Bauer files for bankruptcy protection

328 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:23:05pm

re: #316 legalpad

Dammit I always miss the deletions.

I usually do, too but, I got lucky this time.

329 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:23:23pm

re: #298 uptown

And we've now had our first meltdown of the evening. I'm putting on the charcoal so we'll have "Uptown Grilled Troll" in about 30 minutes. As always, please request any sodas or side dishes now.

330 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:23:36pm

re: #322 Jimmah

Thankfully, no longer possible.

I had to read it twice and impose some grammatical rules.

331 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:24:05pm

re: #305 Jimmah

I think he is too, at least partially. His obsession with the World Bank and the Federal Reserve is the give-away on that, I think. How else would a Brit come to have that as his no1 concern?

Yep, obsession with the Federal Reserve is a dead giveaway for a Paulestinian.

About the best thing I can say about the Paulians and their obsession with the Fed is that it's recognizing a legitimate problem (inflation & out of control debt), for the worst of reasons (latent anti-semitic conspiracy mongering), and offering the worst of solutions (gold standard).

332 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:24:33pm

re: #313 Unakite

Did I just accidentally coin a phrase? I like it (the phrase, not tongue). :)

Yes, you did. And just so you know, it is now a dirty and suggestive one. That's how I roll.
/

333 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:25:07pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

And we've now had our first meltdown of the evening. I'm putting on the charcoal so we'll have "Uptown Grilled Troll" in about 30 minutes. As always, please request any sodas or side dishes now.

Page 63 in the Lizard cook book Reine's Cedar Plank Salmon...
My mouth is watering

334 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:25:19pm

re: #309 ArmyWife

Not that it matters now, but:

Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

[Link: www.armytimes.com...]

Interesting; thanks! Adds another piece to the puzzle.

335 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:25:31pm

re: #307 Lynn B.

What on earth are you talking about?

Ooops. My bad. Shoulda known that one was going to get deleted.

336 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:25:32pm

re: #317 axegrinder

I read all the L'Amour books and most of the King books as a kid. Zane Grey as well. Got hooked on the western romance and individualism and adored King's 60's Rock n' Roll and kid/social structure. While entertaining I wouldn't put Gray or L'Amour in Kings class. SK was(not sure if he still is haven't read one since Tommyknockers) a GREAT writer.

Past few years Tom Selleck has done some wonderful westerns in that vein.

Monte Walsh

Crossfire Trail

Last Stand at Saber River

337 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:25:34pm

re: #324 Bloodnok

How goes the fruit fly operation?

It's on-going.

I broke up a swarm today with the hose from my central-vac.

Tonight, I'm deploying bowls of cider vinegar mixed with a few drops of detergent.

338 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:25:37pm

re: #293 iceweasel

DU is the Free Republic of the left. The forums are a cesspool where every kind of nastiness you can imagine can be found lurking.

Hello, Ice Weasel. So what's the story with DU? I never heard of them until the past couple weeks. Are they big compared to Kos, etc...

339 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:25:50pm

re: #326 freetoken

it's in their minds

Apparently so. We might have to add comprehension skills along with science and civics as to what is lacking in education these days.

340 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:26:42pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

And we've now had our first meltdown of the evening. I'm putting on the charcoal so we'll have "Uptown Grilled Troll" in about 30 minutes. As always, please request any sodas or side dishes now.

I want the tongue. :whispers: I hear that's the "Gateway Meat".. *wink wink*

341 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:27:04pm

re: #327 jcm

Yep......

Eddie Bauer files for bankruptcy protection

My No. 296 says all I have to say.

342 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:27:15pm

re: #284 iceweasel

I know nothing of Louis Lamour. I am not anti-intellectual, and I love books. Stephen King is a great writer when he uses fewer words to express a point.
I wish I were educated.
I know science and keep my opinions to myself. Mostly.

343 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:27:41pm

re: #339 Sharmuta

Apparently so. We might have to add comprehension skills along with science and civics as to what is lacking in education these days.

Good luck. We have at least two generations (mine included) raised for the most part to believe their perception is reality competing with fact.

344 Bloodnok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:27:57pm

re: #337 MandyManners

It's on-going.

I broke up a swarm today with the hose from my central-vac.

Tonight, I'm deploying bowls of cider vinegar mixed with a few drops of detergent.

This is getting serious. If you start talking to yourself like Bill Murray in Caddyshack it might just be time to call the exterminator.

345 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:28:01pm

Good night, group! Be well.

346 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:28:13pm

re: #317 axegrinder

I read all the L'Amour books and most of the King books as a kid. Zane Grey as well. Got hooked on the western romance and individualism and adored King's 60's Rock n' Roll and kid/social structure. While entertaining I wouldn't put Gray or L'Amour in Kings class. SK was(not sure if he still is haven't read one since Tommyknockers) a GREAT writer.

Absolutely. His nonfiction book On Writing is stellar. So is his nonfiction book Danse Macabre, which is an extended look at the horror genre in film, TV and books over 30 years.

He's had a few short stories published in the New Yorker in the last few years, all of which were fantastic, one of which won the O Henry Award for Best Short Story (in the whole US) for that year. He's also been a finalist in that competition now many times.

It's about time he's started to get the recognition he deserves. Some literary asshole or other walked out in a hissy fit when he won the National Book Award for lifetime acheivement in 2003 (or whenever)-- I don't recall who.

347 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:28:39pm

re: #345 ArmyWife

G'night ArmyWife.

348 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:29:11pm

re: #340 Slumbering Behemoth

I want the tongue. :whispers: I hear that's the "Gateway Meat".. *wink wink*

OK. Normally I reserve the head for Zombie (he likes the brains, don't you know), but I'll set the tongue aside for you.

349 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:29:17pm
Karma: -9

uptown

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Jun 15, 2009 at 3:24 pm
No. of comments posted: 0
No. of links posted: 0

My, people come and go so quickly here!

/interesting stats there

350 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:29:18pm

Okay, I know how these threads go OT by this time. Just wanted to put my two cents in. Charles, I know you had to clarify for some people, but I have never found you to be anti-military. That POS made some serious claims that needed to be proved. I know a lot of us last night did some digging an came to a decision that he was wonky. Your site is about pointing out the idiocy all around us. Not right bashing on left or left bashing on right. Keep up the good work.

351 ArmyWife  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:29:35pm

re: #343 OldLineTexan

When I have people at work tell me "perception is reality" I say no, reality is reality and we'd better make the introduction.

352 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:29:57pm

re: #344 Bloodnok

This is getting serious. If you start talking to yourself like Bill Murray in Caddyshack it might just be time to call the exterminator.

It's easy to get hooked.

I trapped and removed four squirrels this past weekend, and found a fantastic cure for sugar ants in the kitchen.

353 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:29:59pm

re: #344 Bloodnok

This is getting serious. If you start talking to yourself like Bill Murray in Caddyshack it might just be time to call the exterminator.

I don't need no fucking exterminator. I've a brand-new bottle of hair-spray and a pack of lighters. What could go wrong?

354 SteveC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:30:17pm

re: #261 MandyManners

EDDIE BAUER HAS DECLARED CH. 11?!

Yeah, before he retired my dad used to do business with them. Class organization back in the late 90's.

355 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:30:23pm

re: #345 ArmyWife

Good night, group! Be well.

Sweetest of dreams!

356 Rancher  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:30:31pm

Louis L'Amour is a scholar of Western American history and much of what he has learned has come from primary sources, i.e. those who lived it.

357 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:30:49pm

re: #342 BatGuano

I know nothing of Louis Lamour. I am not anti-intellectual, and I love books. Stephen King is a great writer when he uses fewer words to express a point.
I wish I were educated.
I know science and keep my opinions to myself. Mostly.

I working on a computer program to string really cool words together to make it look like I'm a Frigging Genius... So far it's not working..
:)

358 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:31:24pm

re: #311 Sharmuta

I've never seen this.

Not bad. He got blocked on his first post. Is this a record?
//

359 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:31:30pm

re: #336 jcm

Thanks, jcm-I didn't even know Magnum was a writer. I'll have to check those out.

360 Photios  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:31:40pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

Naaa, just a mere lurker now. :-)

I do want to vouch for Charles, though.

+Photi

361 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:32:27pm

re: #358 Unakite

Not bad. He got blocked on his first post. Is this a record?
//

Not enough flounce.

362 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:32:39pm

re: #354 SteveC

Yeah, before he retired my dad used to do business with them. Class organization back in the late 90's.

I cannot tell you how many EB products I use. My sister gave me a lip-stick case from EB a few years ago. It is utterly amazing. Hell, I have EB sweat shirts from the early 90s.

363 SteveC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:33:35pm

Ok, this is strange.... Either this guy is on Crack or he's on to something, I'm not sure which.

But if I had to make a guess, I'd say he has a good supplier!

364 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:33:35pm

re: #359 axegrinder

Thanks, jcm-I didn't even know Magnum was a writer. I'll have to check those out.

Movies, sorry if I mislead. Very much in L'Amour tradition, if not adaptation of L'Amour stories.

365 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:33:52pm

re: #349 Lynn B.

My, people come and go so quickly here!

/interesting stats there

Why even say hi in your first post when you can just jump into the flame and meltdown your first post?
I mean why not just go for it out the gate?
Updown was sent downtown

366 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:34:12pm

re: #346 iceweasel
Probably more resentful about how rich King is then anything else. People do put the hate on the rich. Helped get Obama elected IMO.

367 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:34:15pm

re: #327 jcm

Yep......

Eddie Bauer files for bankruptcy protection

Just like L.L. Bean, they could never capture a share of the black market.

Onion: African American Boycott of L.L. Bean Enters 80th Year

Youtube Video
368 Bloodnok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:34:26pm

re: #362 MandyManners

I cannot tell you how many EB products I use. My sister gave me a lip-stick case from EB a few years ago. It is utterly amazing. Hell, I have EB sweat shirts from the early 90s.

I like their polo shirts. Inexpensive and good quality.

369 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:35:17pm

re: #361 OldLineTexan

Not enough flounce.

On a scale of 1 to 10, I give it a 3. Weak, and I couldn't dance to it.

370 Gearhead  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:35:25pm

re: #353 MandyManners

I don't need no fucking exterminator. I've a brand-new bottle of hair-spray and a pack of lighters. What could go wrong?

Well, at least have the courtesy to post the video here. We promise not to let the insurance company see it.

371 SteveC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:35:31pm

re: #362 MandyManners

I cannot tell you how many EB products I use. My sister gave me a lip-stick case from EB a few years ago. It is utterly amazing. Hell, I have EB sweat shirts from the early 90s.

Dad was in a textile mill's Quality Control department, always loved working with them - and always said that when they started buying that cheap shit from overseas that it would bite them in the ass one day. It did.

372 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:35:36pm

re: #338 Flyers1974

Hello, Ice Weasel. So what's the story with DU? I never heard of them until the past couple weeks. Are they big compared to Kos, etc...

Hey Flyers!

DU looks harmless if you just go to the main page and check out the columns. The problem is the forums-- just gigantic message boards. They've been around since 2001, the day after Bush was inaugurated, and it's much more active than--well, any political site I can think of. The boards seem to be hardly moderated. You can find lots of normal conversation there, (which will still probably irk many people here, as it is Democratic Underground, after all) -- but you can find pits of complete insanity. 9/11 troofers, Bush and Cheney caused 9-11, everything. Given the timing of its founding, it immediately became a go-to site for people who believed that the 2000 election was stolen.
Like FR, the nature of the site allows it to be a home for the unhinged.

The forums are also way too big to navigate properly or easily.

373 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:35:44pm

re: #357 HoosierHoops

Keep at it. I could use it.

374 Photios  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:35:45pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

Twern't nothin' I was just a quiet submariner. Nobody ever shot at me.

+Photi

375 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:36:47pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

I think the request for an apology is kind of stupid. It wasn't a "cut" or a slanderous claim. It's what the guy claimed about himself. Reporting on that claim shouldn't be considered an insult to veterans. Kudos for checking the guy's background.

The thought occurs to me that maybe Jonn Lilyea (the guy who requested the apology) would agree with you that Charles has nothing to apologize for, but he asked for an apology anyway, to mollify his readers.

376 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:36:47pm

re: #368 Bloodnok

I like their polo shirts. Inexpensive and good quality.

I've never bought one single thing from EB that was not of good quality.

377 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:36:53pm

Heh.
I just turned on the TV and heard Obama crying about how "one channel" is so mean to him. What a little pussy our CinC is. The whole world fellates him on command, for crying out loud.
I hope that he'll can grow up now that finally has his first real job.

378 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:37:08pm

I've been digging into Obama's proposed Finance regulations. As you would assume they are going to create more government offices (read: jobs for loyal Democrats). One of these will be the "Consumer Financial Protection Agency".

They are going to tell your bank how to do it's business. Get this, they will have "sole rule making authority for consumer financial protection statues",which will apply to "institutions of all types regardless of charter"

They will also be able to decide matters of discrimination, which means we have a back door way into doing the Community Reinvestment Act all over again.


This proposal is huge and basically empowers the Feds to crawl into every financial aspect of your life, all under the guise of protecting you.

Big brother is here.

379 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:37:14pm

re: #363 SteveC

Ok, this is strange.... Either this guy is on Crack or he's on to something, I'm not sure which.

But if I had to make a guess, I'd say he has a good supplier!

Let's say your in Iran, your about to go protest the election and update via Twitter.

Would you use your main account, the one you've used for a long time and has all your friends etc... attached.

Or create a new one to add a layer of anonymity.

I know what I'd do.

380 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:37:30pm

Toldja. His "decorations" were too many and too showy. Damned few people have even a tiny fraction of what he said he'd earned, and those that do, are almost without exception reserved and humble about them.

By humble, I mean that they realize that another man might have just as well earned that decoration, that chance or fate strike many down before their heroic efforts can be graced with success, and that the man who won the award knows that on other days he knew fear just like the rest of us mortals, and passed up chances to be a hero.

Now Mr. Bush wants to claim that veterans, as a class, have been insulted. He has it exactly backwards. He has been insulted, with the perfectly correct guess that he didn't earn all that fruit salad, or indeed, any of it. Veterans have been accorded the respect that goes with the estimate that it is unlikely that any man with that level of distinction would have done anything so wicked.

It is not an insult to veterans to hedge this with the realistic caveat that heroism in combat is not an absolute guarantee of good character. Benedict Arnold fought bravely at Saratoga.

381 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:37:30pm

re: #370 Gearhead

Well, at least have the courtesy to post the video here. We promise not to let the insurance company see it.

*whoosh*

382 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:37:36pm

re: #352 OldLineTexan

It's easy to get hooked.

I trapped and removed four squirrels this past weekend, and found a fantastic cure for sugar ants in the kitchen.

Any truth to the story I heard that they must be taken 5 miles or more away or they'll come back? I'm having a nonending battle with them.

383 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:37:44pm

re: #356 Rancher

Louis L'Amour is a scholar of Western American history and much of what he has learned has come from primary sources, i.e. those who lived it.

He always travelled to where he set his books. When somebody climbed a cliff in his book, that cliff actually existed. Same with rivers and towns. He was a professional bare knuckle fighter in his youth. Quite the man's man.

384 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:37:49pm

re: #374 Photios

Twern't nothin' I was just a quiet submariner. Nobody ever shot at me.

+Photi

I was a Nuke at MINSY for 20 years....Maybe worked on your boat....

385 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:37:55pm

re: #340 Slumbering Behemoth

I want the tongue. :whispers: I hear that's the "Gateway Meat".. *wink wink*

New dish for the cookbook? :)

386 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:38:03pm

re: #371 SteveC

Dad was in a textile mill's Quality Control department, always loved working with them - and always said that when they started buying that cheap shit from overseas that it would bite them in the ass one day. It did.

Oh, what a job!

387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:38:21pm

re: #379 jcm

I know what I'd do.

Post naughty pictures?

388 livefreeor die  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:38:42pm

re: #206 VegasRick

0-16 is pretty rough. I am a Fins fan and we almost did that a couple of years ago.

re: #215 Idle Drifter

Well I guess the Lions can only surprise me now.

The folks at bangcartoon.com make great videos busting on various NFL teams and personnas. This was the one for the Lion's "perfect" season.

The best ones at the site are the Pacman Jones ones, done in the format of the old Batman series.

389 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:38:56pm

re: #377 Lincolntf

Heh.
I just turned on the TV and heard Obama crying about how "one channel" is so mean to him. What a little pussy our CinC is. The whole world fellates him on command, for crying out loud.
I hope that he'll can grow up now that finally has his first real job.

Please, STOP INSULTING VAGINAS!

390 SteveC  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:39:03pm

re: #379 jcm

Let's say your in Iran, your about to go protest the election and update via Twitter.

Would you use your main account, the one you've used for a long time and has all your friends etc... attached.

Or create a new one to add a layer of anonymity.

I know what I'd do.

Same here. But Billy the Wonderpup seems convinced!

391 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:39:18pm

re: #379 jcm

Let's say your in Iran, your about to go protest the election and update via Twitter.

Would you use your main account, the one you've used for a long time and has all your friends etc... attached.

Or create a new one to add a layer of anonymity.

I know what I'd do.

PIMF you're.... D'oh! *Whack*

392 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:39:21pm

re: #377 Lincolntf

I blame my lap cat for my typos. She's in the crook of my back-spacing arm. Sometimes it's better to look dumb than disturb Bella.

393 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:40:09pm

re: #372 iceweasel

Whoops. let me revise that-- if Kos includes all the readers' diaries, Kos is bigger than DU.
No question that Kos and HuffPo have a bigger profile than DU, but DU is where the crazies lurk.

394 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:40:16pm

re: #349 Lynn B.

My, people come and go so quickly here!

/interesting stats there

The Wizard of Oz! Oh, that wasn't a quiz? :(

395 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:40:32pm

re: #385 Unakite

New dish for the cookbook? :)

Only if you want the cookbook to be limited to those 18 and older.

396 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:40:42pm

re: #298 uptown

I have lurked here for years but this is my first post.

Bullshit...why did you register this past Monday if you've had a beef with Charles?

You're a fucking troll...stinky, whack his ass!

397 Gearhead  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:41:07pm

re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth

Post naughty pictures?

Aha! Lindsay Lohan, you've been found out!

398 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:41:33pm

re: #368 Bloodnok

I like their polo shirts. Inexpensive and good quality.

I'm fashion unconscious. I've never heard of Eddie Bauer. Unless he makes car interior upolstry...

399 VioletTiger  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:41:34pm

re: #377 Lincolntf

Heh.
I just turned on the TV and heard Obama crying about how "one channel" is so mean to him. What a little pussy our CinC is. The whole world fellates him on command, for crying out loud.
I hope that he'll can grow up now that finally has his first real job.

I heard that too. Whine whine whine. He can't get over the fact that not everybody adores him.

400 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:41:55pm

re: #382 Flyers1974

Any truth to the story I heard that they must be taken 5 miles or more away or they'll come back? I'm having a nonending battle with them.

No clue as to homing squirrels. I went more than five miles, but that was to find "unimproved acreage" rather than a suburb or someone's five-acre ranchette.

MOST of what I read claimed that the animals would likely perish if moved. I figure the four I trapped (in order to patch my attic from their intrusion) had as good a chance there as in my yard/street. I see a lot of flat squirrels, and we have hawks, too. So it was eat them or move them, and I don't trap for meat.

401 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:42:21pm

re: #304 OldLineTexan

My first dealings with him involved nasty, personal attacks against Mandy.

Not to excuse him or anything, but... Mandy can be ornery at times. So I'd be inclined to forgive a fella for attacking her, knowing that she is well able to dish out as good as she gets.

402 VioletTiger  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:42:28pm

re: #389 MandyManners

Please, STOP INSULTING VAGINAS!

Um, I thought he was insulting cats.......

403 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:42:49pm

re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth

Post naughty pictures?

Like this?

404 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:42:51pm

re: #382 Flyers1974

Any truth to the story I heard that they must be taken 5 miles or more away or they'll come back? I'm having a nonending battle with them.


I was told that by an exterminator as well. Just rent traps and take them faaaar away.

405 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:42:54pm

re: #396 jorline

Bullshit...why did you register this past Monday if you've had a beef with Charles?

You're a fucking troll...stinky, whack his ass!

Grill is at 400 degrees... You're up Chef Jorline!
Mouth watering

406 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:43:11pm

re: #372 iceweasel

Just did an admittedly hasty search under "most popular liberal blogs," and they were in the top ten of only one list.

407 Bloodnok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:43:24pm

re: #398 axegrinder

I'm fashion unconscious. I've never heard of Eddie Bauer. Unless he makes car interior upolstry...

Nope, no upholstery. Just a nice pair of chinos that I will miss if they go away.

408 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:43:53pm

re: #308 Cato the Elder

You know, I will have to think very carefully about how I answer this....for now let's just say that your misspent youth is reminding me of another Roman (of sorts), St Augustine: "Oh Lord, give me chastity...but not yet!"

409 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:44:20pm

re: #397 Gearhead

Aha! Lindsay Lohan, you've been found out!

RETURN THE JEWELRY, LINDSAY! IT'S WORTH MORE THAN THAT MINK COAT YOU TRIED TO STEAL.

410 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:44:21pm

re: #401 Throbert McGee

Not to excuse him or anything, but... Mandy can be ornery at times. So I'd be inclined to forgive a fella for attacking her, knowing that she is well able to dish out as good as she gets.

Then he became a dick in general. But I find him somewhat more amusing than most dicks.

411 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:44:33pm

re: #401 Throbert McGee

Not to excuse him or anything, but... Mandy can be ornery at times. So I'd be inclined to forgive a fella for attacking her, knowing that she is well able to dish out as good as she gets.

There's a fight with Mandy involved? My money is on her. Any takers? Any one?

/how come no one will take my money......

412 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:45:02pm

re: #400 OldLineTexan

I swear Officer, that squirel was COMING RIGHT FOR ME! I had no choice. I was lucky I was holding my shot gun...

413 Photios  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:45:17pm

re: #384 HoosierHoops

Maybe, I decommissioned USS Benjammin' Franklin there in 1993.

I loved Mare Island and that part of California (except for the politics). A number of us used to go down to SF every Tuesday to work on the restoration of exUSS Pampanito.

Good times.

+Photi

414 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:45:20pm

re: #317 axegrinder

I read all the L'Amour books and most of the King books as a kid. Zane Grey as well. Got hooked on the western romance and individualism and adored King's 60's Rock n' Roll and kid/social structure. While entertaining I wouldn't put Gray or L'Amour in Kings class. SK was(not sure if he still is haven't read one since Tommyknockers) a GREAT writer.

Stephen King seems like a great writer until you start rereading his stuff. Then it becomes apparent that he's a great storyteller with a great sense of plot and timing and suspense, but the writing itself wears a little thin. You see the tricks too plainly, the misdirection, the slow fades and short cuts. He becomes just a trifle threadbare. I say this as one who just finished rereading The Stand (impelled, I suppose, by all the superflu hysteria).

I am, however, still afraid to revisit Tommyknockers.

415 VioletTiger  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:45:33pm

re: #400 OldLineTexan

No clue as to homing squirrels. I went more than five miles, but that was to find "unimproved acreage" rather than a suburb or someone's five-acre ranchette.

MOST of what I read claimed that the animals would likely perish if moved. I figure the four I trapped (in order to patch my attic from their intrusion) had as good a chance there as in my yard/street. I see a lot of flat squirrels, and we have hawks, too. So it was eat them or move them, and I don't trap for meat.


Well, if you need to take them 5 miles away that explains why we keep getting more squirrels. I think hubby only took them about 1/2 mile away to the woods. I told my husband to mark the next batch with a bit o paint and see if we get the same ones back.

416 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:46:01pm

re: #399 VioletTiger

Poor little Obama is realizing that he can't charm/bribe/intimidate the world into being a fan-base.
Sadly, this is the first time in his life that he's ever been challenged.

417 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:46:19pm

re: #412 axegrinder

I swear Officer, that squirel was COMING RIGHT FOR ME! I had no choice. I was lucky I was holding my shot gun...

Youtube Video

:)

418 livefreeor die  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:46:37pm

re: #396 jorline

Bullshit...why did you register this past Monday if you've had a beef with Charles?

You're a fucking troll...stinky, whack his ass!

I think he carried off a rare feat- a negative 10 karma with 0 comments posted and a blocked account. The troll bar has been set.

419 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:46:52pm

re: #416 Lincolntf

Poor little Obama is realizing that he can't charm/bribe/intimidate the world into being a fan-base.
Sadly, this is the first time in his life that he's ever been challenged.

The man has very little experience in the public eye.

420 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:47:07pm

On page 59 of the regulation, it talks about the Consumer Financial Protection Agency being provided with the resources to collect "proprietary data bases" as they see fit.

421 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:47:15pm

re: #389 MandyManners

Please, STOP INSULTING VAGINAS!

Too risqué for a rotating title?

422 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:47:19pm

re: #407 Bloodnok

Nope, no upholstery. Just a nice pair of chinos that I will miss if they go away.


Ford used to make EB Edition Broncos and Explorers.

423 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:47:20pm

re: #409 MandyManners

RETURN THE JEWELRY, LINDSAY! IT'S WORTH MORE THAN THAT MINK COAT YOU TRIED TO STEAL.

You know when Lindsay first came on the scene.. I thought she was a gifted young actress...She crumbled in front of our eyes... Tragic...

424 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:47:20pm

re: #389 MandyManners

Please, STOP INSULTING VAGINAS!

Say, are you the cartoon lady in this bit of animation? NSFW, but funny as all hell.

425 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:47:35pm

re: #414 Cato the Elder

For once I have found an area we can agree on. A prolific writer, but not a great writer.

426 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:48:14pm

re: #417 BlueCanuck

[Video]

:)

Number 1 and 2 on PETA's most wanted wall........

427 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:48:17pm

re: #380 lostlakehiker

Toldja. His "decorations" were too many and too showy. Damned few people have even a tiny fraction of what he said he'd earned, and those that do, are almost without exception reserved and humble about them.

Decorations are not all equal. i.e. for example, I have a combat action ribbon because the North Vietnamese lobed a few 3 inch shells at my cruiser. Truth to be told, if they hit the ship, it would have chipped the paint on the armor plate, not exactly like the battle of the Coral Sea for example. I have a few ribbons that I'm not absolutely sure why I got them too.
Some get a Purple Heart for a scratch, others lose a limb.

428 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:48:24pm

re: #420 3 wood

Like credit reports? Can't they already do that?

429 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:48:28pm

re: #382 Flyers1974

Any truth to the story I heard that they must be taken 5 miles or more away or they'll come back? I'm having a nonending battle with them.

The Roi is convinced that the squirrel population will always expand as until the available food won't sustain the population.

In other words, it doesn't do any good to move them.
You've got to reduce their comfort level.

430 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:48:41pm

Hi lizards. Excellent CWS game on ESPN2. Arkansas vs Virginia, tied at 3. Top of the 10th.

431 livefreeor die  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:49:08pm

re: #416 Lincolntf

Poor little Obama is realizing that he can't charm/bribe/intimidate the world into being a fan-base.
Sadly, this is the first time in his life that he's ever been challenged.

It depends upon what you mean by the word "challenged".
/channeling Clinton

432 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:49:48pm

re: #418 livefreeor die

I think he carried off a rare feat- a negative 10 karma with 0 comments posted and a blocked account. The troll bar has been set.

When you calculate his karma to comment ratio........

433 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:50:08pm

re: #204 ArmyWife

Had beef tongue in France. I remember it being really tender. Don't think I could do it now - I was young and not clear tongue meant tongue.

Once you've slaughtered the poor steer (and before that, taken him out of the "game"), just so you could eat his flesh, it seems only fair to be a proper predator and eat everything edible.

434 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:50:19pm

re: #405 HoosierHoops

Grill is at 400 degrees... You're up Chef Jorline!
Mouth watering

lmao...I was only 100 comments behind.

I went back to tuck in Mrs. Jorline and uptown's comment was the last on the thread at that time.
I love it when these jack-offs wait and wait for an open registration then write some dumb-ass comment 90% will never read because it's deleted.
Way to flame out uptown.

435 BignJames  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:50:44pm

re: #380 lostlakehiker

The guy is 34....said he served SF in Somalia....a 17yo in SF?....don't think so.

436 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:50:49pm

re: #418 livefreeor die

I think he carried off a rare feat- a negative 10 karma with 0 comments posted and a blocked account. The troll bar has been set.

Ok, help? I wanna know how it got another downding at least several minutes after it had already been whacked.

437 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:50:56pm

The CFPA also will have the role of educating you about finance.

They also will have the ability to ban standard contract clauses that provide for legal arbitration in the event of a dispute (page 60).

438 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:50:58pm

re: #378 3 wood

I've been digging into Obama's proposed Finance regulations. As you would assume they are going to create more government offices (read: jobs for loyal Democrats). One of these will be the "Consumer Financial Protection Agency".

They are going to tell your bank how to do it's business. Get this, they will have "sole rule making authority for consumer financial protection statues",which will apply to "institutions of all types regardless of charter"

They will also be able to decide matters of discrimination, which means we have a back door way into doing the Community Reinvestment Act all over again.

This proposal is huge and basically empowers the Feds to crawl into every financial aspect of your life, all under the guise of protecting you.

Big brother is here.

Anything we can do to stop that plan?

439 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:51:14pm

Update %P% 6:37 p.m.

As we look ahead to what is likely to be another dramatic day of protest in Iran, it is worth noting what The Guardian’s Ian Black said in an audio interview this morning, after he returned from Tehran. Asked “who’s leading the protesters,” Mr. Black said that “it is in effect rather amorphous and leaderless.” He said that many of the rallies seemed to be “pretty much happening spontaneously without anyone organizing them.” As the Iranian government continues to try to stop the protests by arresting reformist political leaders and intellectuals, the opposition’s ability to keep mobilizing seemingly spontaneous rallies could be crucial to its success.
440 VioletTiger  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:51:44pm

re: #420 3 wood

On page 59 of the regulation, it talks about the Consumer Financial Protection Agency being provided with the resources to collect "proprietary data bases" as they see fit.


What does that mean? Customer lists? Purchasing records?

441 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:51:52pm

re: #413 Photios

Maybe, I decommissioned USS Benjammin' Franklin there in 1993.

I loved Mare Island and that part of California (except for the politics). A number of us used to go down to SF every Tuesday to work on the restoration of exUSS Pampanito.

Good times.

+Photi

Dude...Nice meeting you...We sure did a lot of Decomms at the Island.
Probably every 594 class crossed my path to shit can....Every reactor has to be removed...

442 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:52:26pm

re: #438 Dark_Falcon

Anything we can do to stop that plan?

Perhaps some sort of party with tea and Ron Paul would help.
/

443 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:52:57pm

House-flies and teenage Africans, Obama will fuck them up.
Savage Jew haters with designs on nuking the free world, not so much...

444 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:53:08pm

SpaceJesus is giving them hell over there.

445 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:53:17pm

re: #372 iceweasel

Hey Flyers!

DU looks harmless if you just go to the main page and check out the columns. The problem is the forums-- just gigantic message boards. They've been around since 2001, the day after Bush was inaugurated, and it's much more active than--well, any political site I can think of. The boards seem to be hardly moderated. You can find lots of normal conversation there, (which will still probably irk many people here, as it is Democratic Underground, after all) -- but you can find pits of complete insanity. 9/11 troofers, Bush and Cheney caused 9-11, everything. Given the timing of its founding, it immediately became a go-to site for people who believed that the 2000 election was stolen.
Like FR, the nature of the site allows it to be a home for the unhinged.

The forums are also way too big to navigate properly or easily.

My Moonbat Brother (MMT™) lists DU as one of his indispensible daily blogspots. That explains why he and I can barely remain civil talking about the weather. In fact, now that I think of it, the weather is one of the more dangerous topics - 'cuz, you know, Capt'n Trade is going to fix AGW for us, you betcha.

He also used to swear by some loon who called himself Bartcop - a sort of populist-leftist conservative shredder who boasted that no wingnut could get the better of him in debate. My bro kept on challenging me to go over there and have a go. It sounded boring. You ever run across that guy?

446 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:53:35pm

re: #400 OldLineTexan

re: #429 reine.de.tout

I have about ten bird feeders which have been rendered useless by the squirrels. I've tried pepper powder in the bird seed, shooting them with marbles via wrist rocket, and giving them there own food on the ground. Nothing seems to work. Someone told me a Ruger pellet gun would be o.k. in the burbs, but that's a tough one for me to convince my wife. I may be SOL.

447 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:53:43pm

re: #405 HoosierHoops

Grill is at 400 degrees... You're up Chef Jorline!
Mouth watering

PS...he's not worth the warm coals Hoopster.

We never got to tenderize him nor marinade properly.

448 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:53:45pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

Credit reports are not necessarily "proprietary". This proposal looks like a hunting license.

449 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:53:56pm

re: #436 Lynn B.

Ok, help? I wanna know how it got another downding at least several minutes after it had already been whacked.

Ah. I think I got my answer.

Thanks, Jorline.

450 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:54:04pm

re: #397 Gearhead

Aha! Lindsay Lohan, you've been found out!

No, that can't be right. Gearhead has a functioning brain, which rules out LiLo.

451 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:54:15pm

re: #436 Lynn B.

Ok, help? I wanna know how it got another downding at least several minutes after it had already been whacked.

If the dinger had the thread loaded with that comment still intact, it would still be able to ding it down.

452 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:54:30pm

re: #438 Dark_Falcon

Anything we can do to stop that plan?

Call your Congress critters.

453 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:55:01pm

re: #441 HoosierHoops

Dude...Nice meeting you...We sure did a lot of Decomms at the Island.
Probably every 594 class crossed my path to shit can....Every reactor has to be removed...

They a lot (all?) of it up at Bremerton now. Then send the reactor on barge around and up the Columbia River to Hanford for disposal.

Watermelons go nuts protesting those shipments.

454 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:55:15pm

re: #412 axegrinder

I swear Officer, that squirel was COMING RIGHT FOR ME! I had no choice. I was lucky I was holding my shot gun...

Crunchy peanut butter and a H######## 1030 trap.

It was an irresistible combination.

455 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:55:41pm

re: #440 VioletTiger

What does that mean? Customer lists? Purchasing records?

It means any private information they want.

456 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:56:08pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

Too risqué for a rotating title?

I don't know. All I know is that there is a deep-rooted misogynistic impulse to attribute vile and dishonest and weak motives to the vagina.

457 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:56:13pm

re: #444 Sharmuta

SpaceJesus is giving them hell over there.

Go SJ!

BTW, what's a "face liar?"

/Hating on Charles. It's the new black leisure suit.

458 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:56:22pm

re: #442 Killgore Trout

Perhaps some sort of party with tea and Ron Paul would help.
/

Fact check.
The voters elected a liberal that promised change. Change is coming for 4-8 years, then voters will decide if they like the changes, or vote for conservatives to slow down change and the cycle continues.

459 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:57:06pm

re: #423 HoosierHoops

You know when Lindsay first came on the scene.. I thought she was a gifted young actress...She crumbled in front of our eyes... Tragic...

All I know is that The Kid thinks Hannah Montanna has girl cooties.

460 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:57:34pm

re: #456 MandyManners

I don't know. All I know is that there is a deep-rooted misogynistic impulse to attribute vile and dishonest and weak motives to the vagina.

lol! You have a good point!

461 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:57:49pm

re: #442 Killgore Trout

Perhaps some sort of party with tea and Ron Paul would help.
/

SMACK!

462 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:57:49pm

re: #453 jcm

They a lot (all?) of it up at Bremerton now. Then send the reactor on barge around and up the Columbia River to Hanford for disposal.

Watermelons go nuts protesting those shipments.

We sent them all up north that I recall.... Those were the 5w reactors made by Westinghouse.....

463 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:57:50pm

re: #457 Lynn B.

BTW, what's a "face liar?"

I was thinking that too. These people are so rage filled, they are incoherent.

464 Photios  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:57:55pm

re: #441 HoosierHoops

And it is good to meet you. We got the 640's (MINSY took the fuel from some of then, PSNS packaged the RC's) and 637's at PSNS, where I am working now. The 688's are all lined up as well.

Parche is gone...

465 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:58:20pm

re: #446 Flyers1974

re: #429 reine.de.tout

I have about ten bird feeders which have been rendered useless by the squirrels. I've tried pepper powder in the bird seed, shooting them with marbles via wrist rocket, and giving them there own food on the ground. Nothing seems to work. Someone told me a Ruger pellet gun would be o.k. in the burbs, but that's a tough one for me to convince my wife. I may be SOL.

Try birdseed without the sunflower seeds, if you haven't already.

466 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:58:41pm

re: #444 Sharmuta

SpaceJesus is giving them hell over there.

Am I gonna' hafta' up-ding that fucker?

467 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:58:50pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

What is it with brothers? My own went from utterly apolitical to conspiracy videos to Ron Paul. He's off the Ron Paul tip now, I believe.

468 VioletTiger  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:59:06pm

re: #446 Flyers1974

re: #429 reine.de.tout

I have about ten bird feeders which have been rendered useless by the squirrels. I've tried pepper powder in the bird seed, shooting them with marbles via wrist rocket, and giving them there own food on the ground. Nothing seems to work. Someone told me a Ruger pellet gun would be o.k. in the burbs, but that's a tough one for me to convince my wife. I may be SOL.


I have some dried hot peppers sitting in oil and I was going to try that on the seed cakes. They sure do eat a lot. Dam rats.

469 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:59:24pm

re: #466 MandyManners

Am I gonna' hafta' up-ding that fucker?

'fraid so.
He's actually grown on me in the past couple of months.

470 bellamags  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:59:48pm

re: #466 MandyManners

Am I gonna' hafta' up-ding that fucker?

LOL. i needed that laugh.

471 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 7:59:56pm

re: #446 Flyers1974

re: #429 reine.de.tout

I have about ten bird feeders which have been rendered useless by the squirrels. I've tried pepper powder in the bird seed, shooting them with marbles via wrist rocket, and giving them there own food on the ground. Nothing seems to work. Someone told me a Ruger pellet gun would be o.k. in the burbs, but that's a tough one for me to convince my wife. I may be SOL.

Ruger makes a pellet gun? You would have to kill them, they do not take hints.

The trap worked well. $30. My nic is blue, as I hesitate to advertise for them.

472 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:00:04pm

re: #414 Cato the Elder

I'd argue that it depends on which SK novel you're talking about. Some of the very old ones definitely hold up; some of the newer/newest ones are just plain awful.

But I'd argue very strongly that the brilliance of the Shining endures, and this is because it's dealing with elemental fears, below the surface level of "spooky old hotel" -- alcoholism, child abuse, domestic violence. On one level it's this story about the supernatural; on another it's profoundly terrifying because it's about the natural unnatural-- the dysfunctional.

Similarly, Pet Sematary on one level looks like a gruesome story about the walking dead; in fact on the deeper level its an extended meditation on mortality: the death of a son, the slow death of a sister--not supernatural events in the novel, but the ordinary and horrible tragedies of families.

And Salem's Lot-- i'd say the brilliance of that lies in the depiction of an entire small town, and the ordinary evils that people get up to in small towns. When he's good, Sk is very good, and has a knack for characterisation and dialogue.
When he's bad, his pop culture references all seem to stop in the 80's, and he seems tired and there's more pyrotechics going on than anything else. Which unfortunately characterises his novels of late, mostly.

in my opinion, etc.

473 Bloodnok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:00:39pm

re: #469 reine.de.tout

'fraid so.
He's actually grown on me in the past couple of months.

Me too. He still goes into the SJ schtick once in awhile, but when he doesn't he makes some good points. He's learning.

474 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:00:40pm

re: #469 reine.de.tout

'fraid so.
He's actually grown on me in the past couple of months.

Warts do the same thing.

/just sayin'

475 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:00:48pm

re: #465 reine.de.tout

Interesting. Now that you mention it, I think all my seeds did have at least some sunflower seeds in them and others were all sunflower seeds. Thanks.

476 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:00:50pm

re: #469 reine.de.tout

'fraid so.
He's actually grown on me in the past couple of months.

Kind of like avanti...grows on ya.

477 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:01:15pm

re: #462 HoosierHoops

We sent them all up north that I recall.... Those were the 5w reactors made by Westinghouse.....

Going to Hanford also, reactor graveyard over there.

I'd give Pingjockey a ribbing for live next door to 'em if he was here.

478 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:01:32pm

re: #408 iceweasel

You know, I will have to think very carefully about how I answer this....for now let's just say that your misspent youth is reminding me of another Roman (of sorts), St Augustine: "Oh Lord, give me chastity...but not yet!"

The resemblance is not without merit. At one point I too heard the voices as it were of children: tolle, lege.

By the way, if anybody sees DaddyG, tell him the answer to his Latin question is on the Private Thread Test thread. I even made it the new motto under my avatar.

And now goodnight, all.

479 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:01:35pm

re: #444 Sharmuta

SpaceJesus is giving them hell over there.

Speaking of the comments 'over there' someone has called Charles a "face liar"...lol

480 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:01:40pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

My Moonbat Brother (MMT™) lists DU as one of his indispensible daily blogspots. That explains why he and I can barely remain civil talking about the weather. In fact, now that I think of it, the weather is one of the more dangerous topics - 'cuz, you know, Capt'n Trade is going to fix AGW for us, you betcha.

He also used to swear by some loon who called himself Bartcop - a sort of populist-leftist conservative shredder who boasted that no wingnut could get the better of him in debate. My bro kept on challenging me to go over there and have a go. It sounded boring. You ever run across that guy?

OMG, Cato the E, you must go over there, and invite all of us to watch!

481 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:01:49pm

re: #456 MandyManners

I don't know. All I know is that there is a deep-rooted misogynistic impulse to attribute vile and dishonest and weak motives to the vagina.

THIS needs to be a rotating title!

482 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:01:56pm

re: #464 Photios

And it is good to meet you. We got the 640's (MINSY took the fuel from some of then, PSNS packaged the RC's) and 637's at PSNS, where I am working now. The 688's are all lined up as well.

Parche is gone...

I worked for 3 years in DD#3 on the 688 Parche....
Hey it only cost us a Billion dollars for the refit then we shit canned it...no problem....Billion dollars is pocket change these days....
:)

483 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:02:36pm

re: #442 Killgore Trout

All of you Tea Party Troofers must be excited for the Fourth of July. Word on the street is that people who care about the Government might actually speak out about the Government.
That's some scary shit for you drones, isn't it?

484 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:02:38pm

As someone who has been here for a little while now, I will say I have felt nothing but appreciation for both present, and prior members of the service.

To take it one step further, I have been here long enough to know the episodes where the lies of impostors such as Scott Thomas Beauchamp & Jesse Adam Macbeth were pursued, and exposed for the frauds they turned out to be. Add to that, countless other episodes of catching the media being less than fair to our folks in harm's way,

No apology necessary.

Thank you for the support.

485 livefreeor die  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:02:59pm

re: #479 Jimmah

Speaking of the comments 'over there' someone has called Charles a "face liar"...lol

Well, why should only bald people get to lie?!?

486 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:03:14pm

re: #425 BlueCanuck

For once I have found an area we can agree on. A prolific writer, but not a great writer.

King's chosen genres, mainly horror and the supernatural, disqualify him from being considered a "great writer" more by virtue of the snobbery of the critics than anything else.
But for sheer suspense and excitement he is IMO world class.
As for the re-reading issue, I suppose there is merit to that criticism, although I would mainly ascribe that to his heavy use of surprises and plot twists which naturally lose their shock value the second time around.

487 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:03:20pm

re: #460 legalpad

lol! You have a good point!

I know it's a good point. I also know that it is a valid point.

488 Billy Hank  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:04:03pm

re: #302 ShanghaiEd

Your link didn't come through. Since I'd never heard that factiod, I did a quick search. [Link: www.obamamagazine.com...] Aside from noting that it was a DKOS post from an Obama magazine story, I don't have any other reason for questioning the surface validity of it. However, since Obama sucked in so many foreign donations, (remember all the weird names and amounts from currency conversions?) I would reserve judgment on the final numbers. I did try to find a breakout of of the military/overseas military 2008 vote and was unsuccessful. Someone with better Googlefu than I have might give it a shot.

489 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:04:10pm

re: #467 Flyers1974

What is it with brothers? My own went from utterly apolitical to conspiracy videos to Ron Paul. He's off the Ron Paul tip now, I believe.

Try reine's advise on your brother.

465 reine.de.tout 6/17/09 7:59:24 pm

Try birdseed without the sunflower seeds, if you haven't already.

490 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:04:35pm

G'night Lizards. The sheets are calling.

491 bellamags  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:04:56pm

From WikiAnswers:

The correct term is bald-faced, and refers to a face without whiskers. Beards were commonly worn by businessmen in the 18th and 19th century as an attempt to mask facial expressions when making business deals. Thus a bald-faced liar was a very good liar indeed, and was able to lie without the guilt showing on his face.

492 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:04:58pm

re: #468 VioletTiger

I have some dried hot peppers sitting in oil and I was going to try that on the seed cakes. They sure do eat a lot. Dam rats.

Go for it. Birds don't have capscin receptors. Mammals do.

493 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:05:12pm

re: #483 Lincolntf

Drones have always been mortally askeered of people who play dress up, wave about hand written signs, and hang political effigies.

That, and hornets. Drones are hella scared of hornets.

/

494 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:05:12pm

re: #479 Jimmah

Speaking of the comments 'over there' someone has called Charles a "face liar"...lol

Must be a Frank Herbert fan.

495 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:05:28pm

re: #483 Lincolntf

All of you Tea Party Troofers must be excited for the Fourth of July. Word on the street is that people who care about the Government might actually speak out about the Government.
That's some scary shit for you drones, isn't it?

Kilgore has talked a lot about the problems with Tea Parties, but he has never proposed anything to fix or replace them.

496 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:06:05pm

re: #456 MandyManners

I don't know. All I know is that there is a deep-rooted misogynistic impulse to attribute vile and dishonest and weak motives to the vagina.

And I thought it was just a fucking body part.

497 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:06:12pm

re: #446 Flyers1974

re: #429 reine.de.tout

I have about ten bird feeders which have been rendered useless by the squirrels. I've tried pepper powder in the bird seed, shooting them with marbles via wrist rocket, and giving them there own food on the ground. Nothing seems to work. Someone told me a Ruger pellet gun would be o.k. in the burbs, but that's a tough one for me to convince my wife. I may be SOL.

FWIW, my husband had a tough time convincing me on the pellet gun, but the trap stopped working (there's a learning curve but after a while they just ignored it) so I gave in. We have woods in back of our house full of all sorts of hungry critters and the bodies were always gone by the end of the day. And then the squirrels started avoiding our feeders like the plague. That learning curve works both ways.

498 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:06:36pm

Some twitters from IranAnon.


RT At last police in iran have been seen in some cases to protect and support protesters from plainclothes ppl from yesterday #iranelection
about 5 hours ago from web RT This is not just a change in iran, it's a start 4 a change in the world bcuz we have seen the power of the internet... #iranelection
about 5 hours ago from web

RT Motorists r heard searching the streets even now at 2:45 am #iranelection
about 5 hours ago from web

RT Many arrested ppl taken to Evin prison #iranelection
about 5 hours ago from web

RT Executions of students in Evin Prison RT they are killing innocent people RT #iranelection
about 3 hours ago from web

RT im in iran i voted for ahmadinejad and now i regret my vote isee the horror #iranelection
about 3 hours ago from web

RT beiji has killed 55 people and wounded countless ahmadi is in russia getting support tokill us #iranelection
about 2 hours ago from web

499 Bloodnok  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:06:38pm

re: #493 Slumbering Behemoth

Drones have always been mortally askeered of people who play dress up, wave about hand written signs, and hang political effigies.

That, and hornets. Drones are hella scared of hornets.

/

HehMAO!

500 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:06:53pm

re: #491 bellamags

Nice seeing you..Hope you are well...
What up?

501 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:06:57pm

re: #483 Lincolntf

All of you Tea Party Troofers must be excited for the Fourth of July. Word on the street is that people who care about the Government might actually speak out about the Government.
That's some scary shit for you drones, isn't it?

Yep... Cant wait to hear them talk about those Joo bankers who want to enslave us in debt with that Kenyan Muslim usurper's help and then put us in FEMA camps. I'm selling everything I own to guy gold Krugerrands and ammo right now!

//

502 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:07:10pm

re: #471 OldLineTexan

Ruger makes a pellet gun? You would have to kill them, they do not take hints.

The trap worked well. $30. My nic is blue, as I hesitate to advertise for them.

Or so I'm told. Sadly, the wife would go ballistic if I tried shooting them from the back door. Thanks, I'll email for the trap name.

503 Unakite  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:07:48pm

re: #474 OldLineTexan

Warts do the same thing.

/just sayin'

Just chucklin' :)

504 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:07:53pm

re: #487 MandyManners

I know it's a good point. I also know that it is a valid point.

Yep. Most misogyny is unnoticed. Built in to the culture(s). Having a daughter is what clears it up the fastest.

505 bellamags  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:08:32pm

re: #500 HoosierHoops

Nice seeing you..Hope you are well...
What up?

Just got home from a long day and I needed some intelligent humor. Watching O'Reilly (I don't want to get off the couch and change the channel) But Dick Morris is on and I really like him.

You still on vaca? Did you go fishin?

506 bellamags  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:10:01pm

re: #496 Spare O'Lake

And I thought it was just a fucking body part.

heh

507 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:10:22pm

re: #498 NJDhockeyfan

Iran seems to be turning into a bad version of Red Dawn..

508 jcm  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:11:02pm

re: #464 Photios

And it is good to meet you. We got the 640's (MINSY took the fuel from some of then, PSNS packaged the RC's) and 637's at PSNS, where I am working now. The 688's are all lined up as well.

Parche is gone...

You over at Bremerton?

Howdy neighbor!

Wave's across Elliott bay.

Parches is gone, but her replacement has a vital mission at odds with her name.

509 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:11:29pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Kilgore has talked a lot about the problems with Tea Parties, but he has never proposed anything to fix or replace them.

True, but people should be kissing his ass for exposing the wingnuts within, rather than trying to deny the truth and shoot the messenger.

Sort of reminds me of a dude who had a lot of baseless shit slung at him for putting some time and effort into exposing the euro-fascists seeping into the anti-jihad movement. Hmm... what was his name again?

510 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:11:33pm

re: #501 ArchangelMichael

buy

I hate it when not remembering that PIMF ruins a good sarc.

511 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:11:58pm

re: #483 Lincolntf

All of you Tea Party Troofers must be excited for the Fourth of July. Word on the street is that people who care about the Government might actually speak out about the Government.
That's some scary shit for you drones, isn't it?

It's going to break my heart on Independence day to visit stormfront and Paulian sites to see what conservatives are participating in. I'm dreading it already.

512 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:12:40pm

re: #497 Lynn B.

FWIW, my husband had a tough time convincing me on the pellet gun, but the trap stopped working (there's a learning curve but after a while they just ignored it) so I gave in. We have woods in back of our house full of all sorts of hungry critters and the bodies were always gone by the end of the day. And then the squirrels started avoiding our feeders like the plague. That learning curve works both ways.

Thanks, you can't play nice with these guys. I've given them dried corn on the cob and seeds on the ground, and they just eat that and the birds. I think it has to be the gun, traps or both. They are relentless.

513 livefreeor die  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:12:51pm

re: #507 HoosierHoops

Iran seems to be turning into a bad version of Red Dawn..

Let's hope it turns into a good version of The Patriot. I am praying for all those who want freedom in that country.

514 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:13:01pm

THOMAS SOWELL: EQUALITY OR PAY-BACK?

Back when I was on the receiving end of racial discrimination, it was to me not simply a personal misfortune, or even the misfortune of a race, it was a moral outrage. But not everyone who went through such an experience sees it that way.

When it comes to subjecting other people to the same treatment in a later era, some have no real problem with that. They see it as pay-back.

One of the many problems of the pay-back approach is that many of the people who most deserve retribution are no longer alive. You can take symbolic revenge on people who look like them but this removes the whole moral element. If it is all right to discriminate today against individuals who have done you no harm, then why was it wrong to discriminate against you in the past?

These are not just abstract questions. These are serious, real world questions, especially when considering someone to be given a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court of the United States.

[ MORE ]

515 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:13:29pm

re: #509 Slumbering Behemoth


True, but people should be kissing his ass for exposing the wingnuts within, rather than trying to deny the truth and shoot the messenger.


The ass is a bit much. I'd settle for a handshake or a fist bump.

516 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:13:32pm

re: #505 bellamags

Just got home from a long day and I needed some intelligent humor. Watching O'Reilly (I don't want to get off the couch and change the channel) But Dick Morris is on and I really like him.

You still on vaca? Did you go fishin?

Boating. eating and drinking...Just the usual...
We get one channel here...and you need a digital cable box for it to work.. NBC...
Law and Order....Gaaaaaaa! :)

517 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:13:33pm

re: #496 Spare O'Lake

And I thought it was just a fucking body part.

8SPEW*

518 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:14:06pm

re: #7 ArmyWife

A cut against veterans? The military, like every community, has a percentage of kooks. As an example, my husband has had to deal with:
1. drug users
2. wife beaters
3. drunken stealer of government vehicles
4. infidelity
5. wife/family abandonment

and this was last month.

Are you sure this isn't a description of the Senate?

519 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:14:28pm

re: #504 legalpad

Yep. Most misogyny is unnoticed. Built in to the culture(s). Having a daughter is what clears it up the fastest.

Words have power.

520 BatGuano  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:14:42pm

Good evening everyone. BatGuano out.

521 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:15:35pm

re: #509 Slumbering Behemoth

True, but people should be kissing his ass for exposing the wingnuts within, rather than trying to deny the truth and shoot the messenger.

Sort of reminds me of a dude who had a lot of baseless shit slung at him for putting some time and effort into exposing the euro-fascists seeping into the anti-jihad movement. Hmm... what was his name again?

That would be Charles himself. Point taken.

522 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:15:37pm

re: #501 ArchangelMichael

Yep... Cant wait to hear them talk about those Joo bankers who want to enslave us in debt with that Kenyan Muslim usurper's help and then put us in FEMA camps. I'm selling everything I own to guy gold Krugerrands and ammo right now!

//

Dude, I don't even post a fraction of the shit these nuts think the Tea Parties are going to lead to. Their theories about the Iranian revolution are out of this world.

523 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:15:57pm

re: #515 Killgore Trout

Ha! Fist bump, yo!

524 barere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:16:09pm

test

525 3 wood  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:16:17pm

re: #458 avanti

Fact check.
The voters elected a liberal that promised change. Change is coming for 4-8 years, then voters will decide if they like the changes, or vote for conservatives to slow down change and the cycle continues.

Fact check: the $787 billion stimulus bill was rushed through without the time to study it and now even Joe Biden admits the goofed on their numbers.

Fact check: Obama has quadrupled the deficit in less than one year, and that is if you accept his assumption for 4% GDP growth.

Fact check: Even Obama says this finance regulation proposal is broad and sweeping. It might be nice to know what is in it.

Fact check: Obama can lose his majority at the next congressional election.

526 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:16:17pm

re: #514 HelloDare

Dr. Sowell is absolutely brilliant.

527 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:16:21pm

re: #472 iceweasel

I'd argue that it depends on which SK novel you're talking about. Some of the very old ones definitely hold up; some of the newer/newest ones are just plain awful.

But I'd argue very strongly that the brilliance of the Shining endures, and this is because it's dealing with elemental fears, below the surface level of "spooky old hotel" -- alcoholism, child abuse, domestic violence. On one level it's this story about the supernatural; on another it's profoundly terrifying because it's about the natural unnatural-- the dysfunctional.

Similarly, Pet Sematary on one level looks like a gruesome story about the walking dead; in fact on the deeper level its an extended meditation on mortality: the death of a son, the slow death of a sister--not supernatural events in the novel, but the ordinary and horrible tragedies of families.

And Salem's Lot-- i'd say the brilliance of that lies in the depiction of an entire small town, and the ordinary evils that people get up to in small towns. When he's good, Sk is very good, and has a knack for characterisation and dialogue.
When he's bad, his pop culture references all seem to stop in the 80's, and he seems tired and there's more pyrotechics going on than anything else. Which unfortunately characterises his novels of late, mostly.

in my opinion, etc.

Well that's interesting because I bought 'Salem's Lot for the Kindle. And also the first part of the Dark Tower series (originally written under another name, I believe?) because my father has been hounding me to read them for years. I will say that once I get into one of his stories I can rarely put it down. And rereading is perhaps a cruel waste of time when one divides the average life span by the number of good unread books.

Characterisation, eh? Are you a citizen of the Commonwealth, by any chance? "I'll take my answer off the air" - i.e. when I get up tomorrow...

528 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:16:21pm

re: #523 Slumbering Behemoth

Ass bump!

529 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:16:28pm

re: #38 freetoken

No true minuteman belongs to the Minutemen American Defense group?

MAD is a group started by one of Bush's criminal buddies by the name of Shawna Forde. She too has a criminal record and is a complete nutcase. I have no idea how many members they had because the website is now down. This isn't the same group as the The Minuteman Project or Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

530 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:16:43pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Kilgore has talked a lot about the problems with Tea Parties, but he has never proposed anything to fix or replace them.

I think the only reasonable solution is to make sure you vote in 2010, get all your non-moonbat friends and relatives to do so as well. Maybe get on a first name basis with your Congressperson and state Senators via phone & e-mail. Put the fear of them having to fight for their jobs next election if they keep doing asinine socialist shit (assuming they are atm).

Unless Obama and the Dems start some overt police-state style crap, there's no legitimate solution for reasonable people but working in the system.

531 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:16:47pm

re: #493 Slumbering Behemoth

Gotta hate Solidarity and those stupid Iranian students, right?
Nothing worse than people expressing their views.

532 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:17:06pm

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

The medal for having served in the Drama Queen Theatre of Operations, with Poison Ivy Cluster, isn't worth bragging about?

Yeah, I was going to say, we're all veterans of *something*, and this guy's a veteran liar and phony, though I don't mean to slander other veteran liars and phonies as racists or murderers.

533 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:17:20pm

re: #511 Killgore Trout

It's going to break my heart on Independence day to visit stormfront and Paulian sites to see what conservatives are participating in. I'm dreading it already.

I think the key is get more mainstream people on the organizing committees for Tea Party rallies and then use that to pull them back into saner territory. They can be a good vehicle, if used properly.

534 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:17:52pm

re: #526 legalpad

Dr. Sowell is absolutely brilliant.

He can be a hard read sometimes....
Over my head....I used to read him over at creators.com

535 Photios  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:18:10pm

re: #508 jcm

Yep. I work in Code 246 doing work controls at PSNS and live in Port Orchard.

Here's a wave across Elliot Bay for you.

Mariner's lead 4 to 3, top of the 5th.

+Photi

536 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:18:19pm

re: #528 Killgore Trout

Ass bump!

Wait! Let me grab my camera.

537 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:18:54pm

re: #529 Wendya

MAD is a group started by one of Bush's criminal buddies by the name of Shawna Forde. She too has a criminal record and is a complete nutcase. I have no idea how many members they had because the website is now down. This isn't the same group as the The Minuteman Project or Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

But ... but ... but ... the names are similar. They must be alike. Plus, CNN says the Minuteman group is racist.

/

538 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:18:56pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

He was relegated to Nazi websites for his Tea Party coverage.
On the Tea Party issue, he's a swollen troll.

539 kansas  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:19:31pm

re: #173 _RememberTonyC

you know, I have been someone who has tried my best to cut President Obama some slack. Although I have questioned his policies and lack of a moral compass, I have never been vicious with the personal stuff. but this fucking non stop whining about FOX news has gotten really tiresome:

[Link: www.thefoxnation.com...]

Mr President, instead of attacking Americans at FOX who are doing their job, how about doing YOUR job and stop your fucking whining. You diminish yourself, you diminish the office of POTUS, and you look like a baby and a wimp.

Non stop whining about what he inherited is exacerbating the wimp image. Truman "The buck stops here." Obama "It's not my fault."

Youtube Video
540 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:19:34pm
541 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:19:46pm

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

I think the key is get more mainstream people on the organizing committees for Tea Party rallies and then use that to pull them back into saner territory. They can be a good vehicle, if used properly.

Good luck with that. I think it's way too late. Try to get your local Tea Party organizer to denounce Stormfront and White Nationalists recruiting at the July 4th Tea Party. Get them to make a public statement or post on the Tea Party Web site. Post a link here. Good luck.

542 bellamags  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:19:54pm

Berni Goldberg is awesome. He really hammers the MFMSM.

543 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:20:32pm

re: #525 3 wood

Fact check: the $787 billion stimulus bill was rushed through without the time to study it and now even Joe Biden admits the goofed on their numbers.

Fact check: Obama has quadrupled the deficit in less than one year, and that is if you accept his assumption for 4% GDP growth.

Fact check: Even Obama says this finance regulation proposal is broad and sweeping. It might be nice to know what is in it.

Fact check: Obama can lose his majority at the next congressional election.

Like I said, if the voters don't like the "facts" you site, they'll say so with their vote or at least his poll numbers will drop so low that he's ineffective.

544 legalpad  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:20:38pm

re: #534 HoosierHoops

He can be a hard read sometimes....
Over my head....I used to read him over at creators.com

I'm working on His A Conflict of Visions. Someone here suggested it.

545 Baier  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:20:48pm

Whoa, this chat thingy is fantastic! Kudos Charles. Not only is your content great, you are unmatched in innovation.

Really great job, and thank you!

546 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:20:49pm

re: #446 Flyers1974

re: #429 reine.de.tout

I have about ten bird feeders which have been rendered useless by the squirrels. I've tried pepper powder in the bird seed, shooting them with marbles via wrist rocket, and giving them there own food on the ground. Nothing seems to work. Someone told me a Ruger pellet gun would be o.k. in the burbs, but that's a tough one for me to convince my wife. I may be SOL.

[Link: www.yankeeflipper.com...]

Yes, it does work. As a matter of fact, I often let the battery run down for a couple of days just to fake out the squirrels. When they start attacking en masse again, I flip the switch.

547 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:20:57pm

re: #531 Lincolntf

Gotta hate Solidarity and those stupid Iranian students, right?
Nothing worse than people expressing their views.

Yeah, Iranian students risking their fucking lives and what little freedoms they have are totally equivalent to people playing dress up, waving hand written signs, and hanging effigies in a free country that allows people to protest anything whether they understand it or not.

Totally the same.
:eyeroll:

548 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:21:00pm

re: #525 3 wood

Fact check: the $787 billion stimulus bill was rushed through without the time to study it and now even Joe Biden admits the goofed on their numbers.

Fact check: Obama has quadrupled the deficit in less than one year, and that is if you accept his assumption for 4% GDP growth.

Fact check: Even Obama says this finance regulation proposal is broad and sweeping. It might be nice to know what is in it.

Fact check: Obama can lose his majority at the next congressional election.

Avanti, I hope you're hungry 'cause you just got served!

549 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:21:17pm
550 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:22:29pm

re: #511 Killgore Trout

People who have to hang out at Stormfront to find support for their views are a sad, sad breed.
Open your mind. Go to a Tea Party and see what you see. They are not what you pretend they are.

551 bellamags  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:22:50pm

re: #546 Wendya

[Link: www.yankeeflipper.com...]

Yes, it does work. As a matter of fact, I often let the battery run down for a couple of days just to fake out the squirrels. When they start attacking en masse again, I flip the switch.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil. he he he

552 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:22:54pm
553 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:23:06pm

Seems SpaceJesus has company now. LOL

554 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:23:11pm

re: #512 Flyers1974

Thanks, you can't play nice with these guys. I've given them dried corn on the cob and seeds on the ground, and they just eat that and the birds. I think it has to be the gun, traps or both. They are relentless.

Exactly. If you try to put food out for them you just attract more. Relentless and insatiable.

Well until a new generation that knows not the pellet rifle comes around, we seem to be pretty much squirrel-free. Now we've got the starlings and the grackles (not to mention blue jays and doves). A few starlings have now met the pellet rifle but the deterrence factor isn't working. (The big birds aren't supposed to be able to land on the feeders. Right.)

555 kansas  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:23:30pm

re: #438 Dark_Falcon

Anything we can do to stop that plan?

Bet you didn't think that would result in a slam on Tea Parties and analogy to Ron Paul.

556 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:23:31pm

re: #522 Killgore Trout

Dude, I don't even post a fraction of the shit these nuts think the Tea Parties are going to lead to. Their theories about the Iranian revolution are out of this world.

I can imagine. I wont go to Stormfront, and can barely bring myself to look at the wild rantings at WND anymore. Because of that I don't usually hear worse than the things I exaggerate sarcastically. All of the people I know (not friends, just people I know) who are Paulians, have their hearts in the right place, it's just their brains that aren't. I used to be a libertarian conspiracy kook myself, because I was slowly misled and misinformed over a long period of time. I know reasonable people can fall for this crap and not realize what they really are falling for.

557 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:23:39pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

My Moonbat Brother (MMT™) lists DU as one of his indispensible daily blogspots. That explains why he and I can barely remain civil talking about the weather. In fact, now that I think of it, the weather is one of the more dangerous topics - 'cuz, you know, Capt'n Trade is going to fix AGW for us, you betcha.

He also used to swear by some loon who called himself Bartcop - a sort of populist-leftist conservative shredder who boasted that no wingnut could get the better of him in debate. My bro kept on challenging me to go over there and have a go. It sounded boring. You ever run across that guy?

Never heard of him, but I'm fairly new to the political blog world, mostly because I'm usually five years behind other people regarding anything to do with computers/internet. LGF is the only blog where I've posted. In my brother's case, he was quite civil, but thought my failure to listen to the conspiracy stuff was arrogance.

558 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:23:51pm

re: #541 Killgore Trout

Good luck with that. I think it's way too late. Try to get your local Tea Party organizer to denounce Stormfront and White Nationalists recruiting at the July 4th Tea Party. Get them to make a public statement or post on the Tea Party Web site. Post a link here. Good luck.

I would if I could attend the rally. As things stand right now, I may be working. My store is only closed 3 days a year and Independence Day is not one of them.

559 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:23:58pm

re: #547 Slumbering Behemoth

I think you misunderstood me.

560 bellamags  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:24:16pm

I'm outie.

561 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:24:44pm

re: #544 legalpad

I'm working on His A Conflict of Visions. Someone here suggested it.

Whoa... When I can make it through a 900 word article by him and half way understand the gist..I feel like Rocky climbing the stairs jumping up and down..
Dude has mad skillz

562 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:24:54pm

re: #549 taxfreekiller

Only the Green Hornet of Laup Nor knows the dark secrets of Paulian evil.

Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot?

563 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:25:09pm

Bases loaded, bottom of the 11th, tied at 3, 2 outs, can UVA move to the next round?

564 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:25:30pm

re: #560 bellamags

I'm outie.

Stop staring at your bellybutton.

////////

565 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:26:08pm

re: #549 taxfreekiller

Only the Green Hornet of Laup Nor knows the dark secrets of Paulian evil.

I've never seen Peter Schiff in a green spandex suit... and I don't want to either.

566 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:26:13pm

re: #550 Lincolntf

Why won't the Tea Party organizers publicly state that they aren't welcome? The ADL issued a press release and the Tea Party organizers said nothing. Why would I want to associate with these people? Letting the banks fail, the Fair Tax and the gold standard have nothing to do with fiscal responsibility. Same goes for 9-11 Truth, White Nationalism and the New World Order. I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to associate with these people.

567 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:26:32pm

re: #554 Lynn B.

Don't know if you have them where you're at, but brown-headed cowbirds are bad as well. They knock the eggs out of songbirds nests, which along with other things is why you don't see as many blueirds, etc..., as you would have before.

568 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:26:37pm

re: #550 Lincolntf

It's called following the evidence. Like no one here ever went to a VB or BNP website to show that fascist parties are trying to latch onto the anti-jihad movement.

I get the feeling that if it were anybody else other than Killgore doing the heavy investigative lifting on this subject their would be a lot less whiny vaginas (sorry Mandy) carrying on about how butthurt they are.

569 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:26:49pm

re: #553 Sharmuta

Seems SpaceJesus has company now. LOL

I have to admit, I recieved the calling.

570 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:26:53pm

Apologies if this has been posted already, but Glenn Reynolds just linked this great Iowahawk piece. LOL.

571 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:27:30pm

re: #548 Dark_Falcon

Avanti, I hope you're hungry 'cause you just got served!

I've been served the conservative talking points before, you need to not only serve them to the voters, they need to buy them.Just saying no to all the Obama plans only goes so far, the right has to come up with some ideas.

572 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:27:39pm

Stephen King's The Green Mile is relatively recent yet one of his all-time best - I just couldn't put it down. And then the movie came out, and it was fabulous too.

573 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:28:27pm

re: #556 ArchangelMichael

I think one of the reasons I'm grumpy these days is that I do visit stormfront and Paulian sites because they're sadly relevant to current events about what's going on with the right. I'd much rather go back to picking on the Koskidz. They're nothing by comparison.

574 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:28:56pm

re: #559 Lincolntf

I think you misunderstood me.

Did I? Were you not trying to equate the current Iranian protests with the Tea Party protests?

575 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:29:06pm

re: #568 Slumbering Behemoth

How about people who have actually been to the Tea Parties? Do they count?
Are they less informed than the Tea Party Troofer in Residence?

576 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:30:28pm

re: #488 Billy Hank

Billy: Sorry about the link error; here's the correct version.

Your link actually provided more details than mine, though...including the fact that Ron Paul (!) got four times McCain's donations from active military. For whatever reason, it looks like McCain did not excite them. Considering his history and credentials, that's very odd to me.

577 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:30:30pm

re: #569 Jimmah

A friend and a disciple. I wonder if it would be blasphemous for SpaceJesus to have a wife. :p

578 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:30:32pm

re: #527 Cato the Elder

Well that's interesting because I bought 'Salem's Lot for the Kindle. And also the first part of the Dark Tower series (originally written under another name, I believe?) because my father has been hounding me to read them for years. I will say that once I get into one of his stories I can rarely put it down. And rereading is perhaps a cruel waste of time when one divides the average life span by the number of good unread books.

Characterisation, eh? Are you a citizen of the Commonwealth, by any chance? "I'll take my answer off the air" - i.e. when I get up tomorrow...

I thought you were already gone!

I've heard the Dark Tower series is great although I haven't read it. He deliberately patterns his story after Browning's poem Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came..
I can agree with you on rereading in general, but I wind up rereading a lot. I generally am reading at least three books at a time (one serious, one middling, and one that I've already read) so it works out for me.

I'll answer your question about citizenship when I next see you. :)

579 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:30:41pm

re: #567 Flyers1974

Don't know if you have them where you're at, but brown-headed cowbirds are bad as well. They knock the eggs out of songbirds nests, which along with other things is why you don't see as many blueirds, etc..., as you would have before.

Unfortunately, yes. This is the first year they've had the nerve to come to the feeders, though. Grackles, starlings and blue jays are pigs but harmless. Brown-headed cowbirds are low-life parasitical scum.

580 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:31:17pm

re: #572 Spare O'Lake

Stephen King's The Green Mile is relatively recent yet one of his all-time best - I just couldn't put it down. And then the movie came out, and it was fabulous too.

He made extra money on me.

Book 1, book 2, book 3...what was it, six small books in all?

581 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:31:19pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Kilgore has talked a lot about the problems with Tea Parties, but he has never proposed anything to fix or replace them.

You're supposed to influence public debate by privately write a letter to your congressman. Public protesting, is apparently considered gauche among some people.

582 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:31:27pm

Oddly little from the Iranian twitterers today and tonight.

From various twitterers:

RT: @josh24601 LA times quotes source in Evin saying up 1500 detained, beat, then released so maybe both correct [Link: tinyurl.com...]

Ppl r cursing Obama & Gordon Brown in the streets of #Tehran for their silence [Link: tinyurl.com...] #iranelection @whitehouse

Events for FRIDAY(so far conf.) Haft Tir Sq. 11am, mousavi, karroubi, karbaschi and other major figures expected #iranelection

Reliable Source: Families of those murdered by Basij militia are under pressure and being prevented from contacting media #iranelection

RT @IranRiggedElectMen in civilian clothes attacked Day hospital in Tehran [Link: bit.ly...] #iranelection Please Read & pass on

Due to Military neutrality, & State Police cooperation with ppl, everything will b transferred to Rev Guards tmrw #iranelection

583 1SG(ret)  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:32:16pm

re: #547 Slumbering Behemoth

hanging effigies

You got a link for that being done at a tea party?

Didn't attend one and saw none of it on the news anywhere.

584 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:32:21pm

Kobe is going to be on the Tonight Show in an hour.
They said they had to delay the taping of the show because of the extended cheering....
This is painful...The clip of him with the 10,000 watt smile is killing me...
oh well. Congrad's Lakers...

585 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:32:27pm

re: #577 Sharmuta

A friend and a disciple. I wonder if it would be blasphemous for SpaceJesus to have a wife. :p

LOL. Why not a son too?

586 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:32:54pm

re: #575 Lincolntf

How about people who have actually been to the Tea Parties? Do they count?
Are they less informed than the Tea Party Troofer in Residence?

Lic, I agree with you that most people attending these rallies are normal people who simply favor limited government. However, even a limited presence of Stormfront racists taint the entire rally and give the MSM reason to dismiss us all as bigots. We have to keep those kooks away from us or we cannot hope to win.

587 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:01pm

re: #584 HoosierHoops

Kobe is going to be on the Tonight Show in an hour.
They said they had to delay the taping of the show because of the extended cheering....
This is painful...The clip of him with the 10,000 watt smile is killing me...
oh well. Congrad's Lakers...

I love the Kobe the Muppet commercials.

588 avanti  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:03pm

re: #576 ShanghaiEd

Billy: Sorry about the link error; here's the correct version.

Your link actually provided more details than mine, though...including the fact that Ron Paul (!) got four times McCain's donations from active military. For whatever reason, it looks like McCain did not excite them. Considering his history and credentials, that's very odd to me.

In fairness, it may have been more about Internet savoy then popularity. Obama and Paul were better at it then McCain.

589 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:12pm

re: #575 Lincolntf

How about people who have actually been to the Tea Parties? Do they count?
Are they less informed than the Tea Party Troofer in Residence?

I don't have to go to France to know it's there. Much conclusive evidence can be gathered about an event without having to witness said event first hand.

How many murder cases have been solved without the investigators having to witness said murder first hand?

590 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:17pm

re: #585 Jimmah

Son of SpaceJesus would be hilarious!

591 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:17pm

re: #566 Killgore Trout

Because, as has been pointed out to you a billion times, the Tea Parties are local/state dillyos that don't give a fuck about websites or chatrooms. They're worried about their futures and have a command of basic math.

It ain't racial, it ain't classist, it ain't anything but Americans remembering their rights.

592 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:29pm

re: #572 Spare O'Lake

Stephen King's The Green Mile is relatively recent yet one of his all-time best - I just couldn't put it down. And then the movie came out, and it was fabulous too.

IIRC, The Green Mile also had the distinction of first being published as a serial online-- the first book to be so published. King was sort of going for a Dickensian experience in the Internet age I guess,-- where Dickens' novels were published as newpaper installments .

593 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:34pm
594 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:39pm

re: #574 Slumbering Behemoth

Not at all.

595 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:33:56pm

re: #573 Killgore Trout

I think one of the reasons I'm grumpy these days is that I do visit stormfront and Paulian sites because they're sadly relevant to current events about what's going on with the right. I'd much rather go back to picking on the Koskidz. They're nothing by comparison.

It's extremely important that the skeletons in the closet of the right are exposed and aired-out now, rather than as an October Surprise in an election against a media darling messiah.

LGF and you particularly have been doing yeoman's work on this matter. I just wish more people could understand how vital it is.

596 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:34:23pm

re: #577 Sharmuta

A friend and a disciple. I wonder if it would be blasphemous for SpaceJesus to have a wife. :p

They're really stuck on that old "white supremacists are really left-wingers" crap. Guess they didn't get the memo, poor things.

SpaceJesus & Co. do seem to have them all riled up.

597 Scion9  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:34:33pm

re: #527 Cato the Elder

Richard Bachman was his pseudonym for a number of works. Salem's Lot is probably one of the few Stephen King's books I could actually reread and get pleasure from. It doesn't rely on 'twists' so much, and is more creeping in its advance of plot like The Shining.

As far as The Dark Tower goes, I recently finished the entire series and I praise it, but I don't think I will ever reread it. It is definitely an experience and is by far the weirdest, most imaginative mainstream work of speculative fiction I have ever read. It definitely treads off into territory in defiance of genre.

598 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:35:10pm

re: #582 reine.de.tout

Oddly little from the Iranian twitterers today and tonight.

From various twitterers:

That last one sounds very ominous.

599 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:35:23pm

re: #586 Dark_Falcon

We have to keep those kooks away from us or we cannot hope to win.

How do you propose doing that?

600 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:35:30pm

re: #591 Lincolntf

Because, as has been pointed out to you a billion times, the Tea Parties are local/state dillyos that don't give a fuck about websites or chatrooms. They're worried about their futures and have a command of basic math.

It ain't racial, it ain't classist, it ain't anything but Americans remembering their rights.

601 kansas  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:35:45pm

re: #586 Dark_Falcon

Lic, I agree with you that most people attending these rallies are normal people who simply favor limited government. However, even a limited presence of Stormfront racists taint the entire rally and give the MSM reason to dismiss us all as bigots. We have to keep those kooks away from us or we cannot hope to win.

My bet is that if no Stormfront racists showed up the MSM would still imply biogtry.

602 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:35:48pm

re: #583 1SG(ret)

You got a link for that being done at a tea party?

Didn't attend one and saw none of it on the news anywhere.

The Gov. of CA hung in effigy, at a CA Tea Party. You can websearch for it yourself, or would you rather I do it for you?

603 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:36:33pm

re: #579 Lynn B.

Unfortunately, yes. This is the first year they've had the nerve to come to the feeders, though. Grackles, starlings and blue jays are pigs but harmless. Brown-headed cowbirds are low-life parasitical scum.

Starlings are cockroaches with wings. The noise they make is hideous. Brown-headed cowbirds are a nuisance, but they are a rung above starlings.

Now sea gulls, if swarming rats could fly...

New York is planning a massive goose kill. Unfortunately they are just going to slaughter and landfill them, not process for food.

604 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:36:59pm

re: #586 Dark_Falcon

The only Stormfront references to the Tea Parties (and I'm marginally involved in setting the local one up) that I've ever seen have been here on this site.
The attempt at marginalization is a transparent joke.

605 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:37:20pm

re: #575 Lincolntf

How about people who have actually been to the Tea Parties? Do they count?
Are they less informed than the Tea Party Troofer in Residence?

I can't speak for TP Troofers, but what confuses me is this: What are people who "actually attend" a Tea Party capable of seeing, that people who watch videos of speakers on YouTube, etc., can't see?

606 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:38:03pm

re: #602 Slumbering Behemoth

The Gov. of CA hung in effigy, at a CA Tea Party. You can websearch for it yourself, or would you rather I do it for you?

I'd hesitate to use California as an example. The protests there weren't "right wing" in nature. There were people from both sides of the aisle madder than hell about what has happened to that state.

607 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:38:07pm

Hello Night Lizards! It was very nice to day in Near Iowa. Tomorrow, they say it will rain.

Well, I clicked the link and I don't understand the author's idea that Charles dissed the military. But then, I saw the first few comments and it seems there isn't a real LGF "fan club" on that site.

Can't please everybody, so you might as well please yourself. (paraphrase)

Good Job Charles!

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

608 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:38:39pm

re: #596 Lynn B.

I think it's funny they're all ignoring the question of McVeigh.

609 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:38:40pm

OT More of Matthews man crush on Obama: says Howard Dean is John the Baptist to Obama's Jesus.

Matthews has this obsession - first the tingly leg thingy, now the deity comparison. He should switch to ABC so he can be in the WH every day.
Better not go there.

610 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:38:56pm

re: #557 Flyers1974

Never heard of him, but I'm fairly new to the political blog world, mostly because I'm usually five years behind other people regarding anything to do with computers/internet. LGF is the only blog where I've posted. In my brother's case, he was quite civil, but thought my failure to listen to the conspiracy stuff was arrogance.

I haven't heard of that guy either, but I never go to DU. Sounds like he's some guy on the forum who boasts, rather than a blogger.

I hang out a lot in the lefty/progressive sphere, but even so LGF is the only site where I find it's worth posting.

I do find this happens a lot: people accuse one of being 'close-minded' or 'arrogant' when one doesn't wish to engage in the discussion. But some discussions are not worth having; it's like holocaust deniers wanting you to 'at least consider' their so-called evidence.

(Not saying your brother is a holocaust denier, of course, but that this is often a complaint made by proponents of conspiracy theories)

611 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:39:51pm

re: #579 Lynn B.

Actually starlings are bad as well in a different way - they compete with songbirds for nest holes, which would be fine, if they weren't so numerous. That's why you may see artificial bird boxes in parks and what not, to try and give bluebirds, etc... a chance. I just got into the birdwatching thing a couple years ago. Very relaxing. Except for the squirrels.

612 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:40:32pm

re: #606 Wendya

I'd hesitate to use California as an example. The protests there weren't "right wing" in nature. There were people from both sides of the aisle madder than hell about what has happened to that state.

I don't know; this comes a little too close to a "No true tea party participant" argument for my taste.

613 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:40:37pm

re: #605 ShanghaiEd

I can't speak for TP Troofers, but what confuses me is this: What are people who "actually attend" a Tea Party capable of seeing, that people who watch videos of speakers on YouTube, etc., can't see?

Have you seen youtube footage of every single one of the hundreds of protests? You didn't see the one I attended. You didn't see 90% of them but you're willing to tar them all with the same brush.

614 1SG(ret)  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:40:38pm

re: #602 Slumbering Behemoth
You made the allegation I didn't. I'd like to see where you got it. Why should I prove your point.

No Link then don't make the comment!

615 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:40:53pm

re: #605 ShanghaiEd

Uhhh, everything the filmer didn't feel like showing?

616 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:41:34pm

re: #608 Sharmuta

I think it's funny they're all ignoring the question of McVeigh.

They're avoiding it for damn good reason of course. "Ignore all evidence that contradicts your pet theory"-- first rule of intellectual dishonesty.

617 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:41:36pm

re: #594 Lincolntf

Not at all.

Really? Then what the hell was the point of responding to my sarcastic remark about Tea Parties with this:

re: #531 Lincolntf

Gotta hate Solidarity and those stupid Iranian students, right?
Nothing worse than people expressing their views.

If you weren't shooting for moral equivalence, what were you doing?

618 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:41:44pm

re: #603 Alouette

Starlings are cockroaches with wings. The noise they make is hideous. Brown-headed cowbirds are a nuisance, but they are a rung above starlings.

Now sea gulls, if swarming rats could fly...

New York is planning a massive goose kill. Unfortunately they are just going to slaughter and landfill them, not process for food.

I have NO PROBLEM killing the geese. They are flying rats here in Chicagoland. BUT, I do have a problem with putting them in a landfill. Unlike rats, they ARE good eating and we have plenty of homeless we could feed with the geese.

I never understood why the hunters couldn't have their fun and feed the hungry with the leftovers. The shelters around here (Very Far Western burbs) won't even take venison that is road kill. For a while there were hunters that would get a call from the sheriff and they would butcher it up and give most of it to the food pantry. No more. Food panty won't take it.

619 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:42:15pm
620 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:42:21pm

re: #612 iceweasel

I don't know; this comes a little too close to a "No true tea party participant" argument for my taste.

And the other end of that continuum is the bucket of tar and sack of feathers for someone a half-block away from an Internet Nazi passing out pamphlets. Lots of errors in logic to go around, IMO.

621 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:42:34pm

re: #612 iceweasel

I don't know; this comes a little too close to a "No true tea party participant" argument for my taste.

Did you attend any protests in California?

622 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:42:37pm

re: #609 ladycatnip

OT More of Matthews man crush on Obama: says Howard Dean is John the Baptist to Obama's Jesus.

Matthews has this obsession - first the tingly leg thingy, now the deity comparison. He should switch to ABC so he can be in the WH every day.
Better not go there.

What Bible character is Chris Matthews?

623 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:43:11pm

re: #617 Slumbering Behemoth

I needed a sarc tag ( but I never use them) .

624 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:43:49pm

re: #609 ladycatnip

There is just no level low enough for them.

625 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:44:02pm

It seems LGF bashers shut up when they don't get to post their crap without challenge....

626 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:44:11pm

re: #622 Alouette

What Bible character is Chris Matthews?

The bible mentions the jawbone of an ass somewhere, doesn't it?

627 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:44:53pm

re: #603 Alouette

Starlings are cockroaches with wings. The noise they make is hideous. Brown-headed cowbirds are a nuisance, but they are a rung above starlings.

They're a lot worse than a nuisance. As Flyers1974 said, cowbirds don't build their own nests. They throw the eggs of songbirds out of the nest and move their own in. Disgusting. They are, quite literally, parasites.

Now sea gulls, if swarming rats could fly...

Awwww.

But I agree.

628 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:45:13pm

re: #621 Wendya

Did you attend any protests in California?

Nope, which is why I prefaced my thought with "I don't know".

629 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:45:21pm

re: #601 kansas

My bet is that if no Stormfront racists showed up the MSM would still imply biogtry.

They'll imply it, but we can counter the accusation if they're lying. If there are actual racists in prominent positions, then we cannot counter effectively. TFK, Lincoln, I hear you both but the line that stick in my mind is this one borrowed from the last two episodes of the past season of 90210 (the CW's new show):

One Racist Speaker Can Ruin Your Whole Rally

It's not fair, but that's the way it is.

630 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:45:35pm

re: #612 iceweasel

I don't do the tea parties. So I don't have a dog in the fight.

I would assume you voted for Obama. Did you attend any rallies for him during the campaign?

632 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:46:57pm

re: #630 formercorpsman

I don't do the tea parties. So I don't have a dog in the fight.

I would assume you voted for Obama. Did you attend any rallies for him during the campaign?

I volunteered for him, but I didn't ever attend a rally. Rallies are just shows. For both sides of the spectrum.

633 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:48:11pm

#622 Alouette

What Bible character is Chris Matthews?

That would definitely be a false prophet.

634 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:48:12pm

Jon said this..

Charles included a phrase from MAD’s website;
We are honored to have Gunny aboard. He served 6 tours over seas, where he has several medals. He received a Purple heart, Silver and Bronze star, Combat Infantry Badge and a Presidential citation for his actions in the Special Forces.

Johnson probably wanted to highlight that phrase because it further proved the DHS report accurate and well-founded because the report warned about veterans with special training.

But when he quoted Charles he conveniently left this part out.

The “Minutemen for American Defense” website contained this short bio of Bush, although I don’t know if any of it has been confirmed:

[emphasis added]

And any long time LGF readers are familiar with the fake soldier stories so skepticism about claims of military service by kooks is a given until there is some actual proof. There have been perhaps a dozen stories about some criminal who allegedly had ties to the military but they were later debunked. Typically some crazy moonbat.

Consider that the first response made in the thread after Charles comment at 108 was made one minute later by BigPapa

re: #108 Charles

I'll bet a thin dime that's BS.

And the next as well as last reference to the comment was from Shiplord Kirel 20 minutes later..

re: #108 Charles

Sure, and I would have captured bin Laden single-handed if Obammunist Mexican ACORN gangsters hadn't sabotaged my handcuffs.
//////


After the laughter I see no more references to the alleged military service. Jon cherry-picked and used creative editing to build a case that he could toss out like red meat. I'm guessing Charles touched a nerve somewhere else in that thread where he peeled off one layer of the onion, none of which mentioned military service. Its a hit piece.

635 Scion9  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:48:22pm

re: #610 iceweasel

The standard debating M.O. of all conspiracy theorists is "I'm just asking questions"; shifting the burden of proof onto you to 'disprove' their theory. Of course, the issue is that the evidence of any 'conspiracy' or other sinister deed taking place is the lack of evidence. You usually can't disprove what might have, could have, possibly taken place so any 'debate' is really a trap.

9/11 an inside job? Where is your proof that it wasn't? Moon landing not staged? Prove that it was legit smart guy!

636 1SG(ret)  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:48:27pm

re: #631 Slumbering Behemoth

I ask for your proof and you get all shity. Thanks for the link, and fuck off dickhead!

637 kansas  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:48:39pm

re: #629 Dark_Falcon

They'll imply it, but we can counter the accusation if they're lying. If there are actual racists in prominent positions, then we cannot counter effectively. TFK, Lincoln, I hear you both but the line that stick in my mind is this one borrowed from the last two episodes of the past season of 90210 (the CW's new show):

One Racist Speaker Can Ruin Your Whole Rally

It's not fair, but that's the way it is.

Speaker yes, but some morons simply showing up? I mean, how can there be any type of gathering where it can be guaranteed that undesirables won't show up?

638 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:49:19pm

re: #603 Alouette

Starlings are cockroaches with wings. The noise they make is hideous. Brown-headed cowbirds are a nuisance, but they are a rung above starlings.

Now sea gulls, if swarming rats could fly...

New York is planning a massive goose kill. Unfortunately they are just going to slaughter and landfill them, not process for food.

That is indeed a pity. Selling the geese might net the state a little much-needed cash. And I'd like to see what my mother could be with a whole goose. Odds are she'd do very well.

639 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:50:12pm

re: #610 iceweasel

The conspiracy people I guess by definition seem to think they know something the rest of the world does not and if you are trapped into talking, you end up trying to prove negatives. In his case, I'm not worried anymore - this was his first exposure to anything political and he seems to be moving on to other ideas. .

640 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:50:12pm

re: #636 1SG(ret)

Well, I downdinged both of you.

Later.

641 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:50:37pm

re: #635 Scion9

You are 100% correct. This is one reason why engaging them in any debate is a bad idea; it lends credence and dignity to their claims to treat them as worthy of serious discussion. Once you do that, they win a victory--because now their ideas are in the mainstream and being talked about. Holocaust deniers and fake historians have been doing that for years.

642 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:50:52pm

re: #632 iceweasel

Well, if you go back far enough on LGF, there were campaign offices proudly displaying superimposed Che flags.

Troofers attended his rallies, moreover, Howard Dean perpetuated the hypothesis by mentioning it as "some people think" it was planned.

How much distance were you arguing for?

My point is not to defend the scum hanging around functions where people gather to actually protest what they feel is wrong, but the knife cuts both ways.

That log in the eye thing you know.

643 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:51:03pm

re: #636 1SG(ret)

I ask for your proof and you get all shity. Thanks for the link, and fuck off dickhead!

I did get unnecessarily shitty with you. Sorry, my bad. The "fuck off dickhead" is duly noted.

644 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:51:23pm

#626 iceweasel

The bible mentions the jawbone of an ass somewhere, doesn't it?

I like yours better!

645 1SG(ret)  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:51:43pm

re: #640 OldLineTexan

Cool by me!

646 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:51:52pm

re: #636 1SG(ret)

I don't know you, Top, but you sound like every Top I've ever known.

647 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:51:53pm

Hi y'all - how is everyone and what all are we talking about?

And THANKS CHARLES - this is probaby the best and most welcoming blog for Vets and active duty military personnel outside of the Miliblogs themselves.

648 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:51:55pm

re: #613 Wendya

Have you seen youtube footage of every single one of the hundreds of protests? You didn't see the one I attended. You didn't see 90% of them but you're willing to tar them all with the same brush.

I haven't tarred anybody, Wendya. From what I've seen and heard about, attendees are a majority of good, solid people and a minority of nuts who spout stuff that's loony, racist, inciteful to violence, or all of the above. I'm sure they're an embarrassment to the movement, and I'm disappointed that the kooks haven't been categorically disinvited to Round 2, next month.

649 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:52:04pm

How to tell when you are spending too much time on the internet: "I lost a good job about 6 years ago due to my desire to surf and blog." From the comments at '2'.

650 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:52:19pm

re: #598 Dark_Falcon

That last one sounds very ominous.

I find it ominous that there is so little twitter activity, after what I've seen the past couple of days.

Maybe they are all just tired and getting some rest.
Maybe the gov't has somehow shut the down.
I hope they're all safe.

651 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:52:33pm

re: #640 OldLineTexan

I had it coming. 1SG(ret) is not a troll, and I went at him like one.

652 livefreeor die  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:52:38pm

re: #622 Alouette

What Bible character is Chris Matthews?

the whore of Babylon?

653 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:53:00pm

re: #637 kansas

Speaker yes, but some morons simply showing up? I mean, how can there be any type of gathering where it can be guaranteed that undesirables won't show up?

We can't guarantee it, but we can tell them beforehand that they are not welcome, marginalize them during the rally, and then denounce them afterwards.

654 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:53:04pm

re: #642 formercorpsman

Campaign office.

655 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:53:50pm

re: #595 ArchangelMichael


LGF and you particularly have been doing yeoman's work on this matter. I just wish more people could understand how vital it is.


It only works if people want to hear it an deal with the problem. Sadly, most can't be bothered. My prediction is that the July 4th Tea Parties will be smaller. The next round, planned for 9-12 (it's a Glenn Beck thing) will be nothing but nuts and kooks. after that it's going to be winter and nobody wants to go out in the cold and associate with nuts. They might pop back up in spring again but I think it's a dead end. People just did care enough.

656 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:54:10pm

One layer of the onion after another...Thats what I meant to say. And speaking of the Onion,
Obama Announces Plans To Run For McCain's Senate Seat In 2010

Repeatedly throughout his speech, Obama labeled McCain as a Washington insider and criticized the 73-year-old four-term senator for being out of touch with everyday Arizonans. While acknowledging respect for his opponent's military record and years of public service, the president argued that being a decorated war veteran has little to do with improving Arizona's schools and putting its citizens back to work.

"Let me be clear: John McCain is a good man," Obama said. "He has served this state nobly for more than 20 years. But where was John McCain last year when the economy collapsed and the housing bubble burst? Was he here in Arizona looking out for families in need? Or was he crisscrossing the nation trying to further his own political career?"

657 Digital Display  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:55:02pm

Tweeter use has grown by 1300% this year...
Just imagine last year not knowing what Megan Fox had for lunch that day....
inconceivable!

658 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:55:03pm

ThinkIran Report: Basij Going Inside Hospitals & Beating Injured Protesters & Taking Them To Prison (Confirmed) #IranElection Tehran Iran
37 minutes ago from web

659 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:55:15pm

re: #642 formercorpsman


My point is not to defend the scum hanging around functions where people gather to actually protest what they feel is wrong, but the knife cuts both ways.

I remember some lunatic in a campaign office somewhere hung a che flag. And we can agree that the crazies ought to be winnowed out--on both sides. It's just bad.

660 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:55:21pm

re: #635 Scion9

The standard debating M.O. of all conspiracy theorists is "I'm just asking questions"; shifting the burden of proof onto you to 'disprove' their theory. Of course, the issue is that the evidence of any 'conspiracy' or other sinister deed taking place is the lack of evidence. You usually can't disprove what might have, could have, possibly taken place so any 'debate' is really a trap.

9/11 an inside job? Where is your proof that it wasn't? Moon landing not staged? Prove that it was legit smart guy!

Wow, talk about hitting the nail on the head. Amazing how many times I've heard that line exactly.

661 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:55:44pm

re: #611 Flyers1974

Actually starlings are bad as well in a different way - they compete with songbirds for nest holes, which would be fine, if they weren't so numerous. That's why you may see artificial bird boxes in parks and what not, to try and give bluebirds, etc... a chance. I just got into the birdwatching thing a couple years ago. Very relaxing. Except for the squirrels.

Yes, I guess you and Alouette are right about the starlings. I probably haven't yet had a chance to fully appreciate their obnoxiousness. They truly are pests and it seems there's no end to them. But, again, we didn't have them before this past winter. It used to just be the house finches that pigged out at the feeders. These starlings are much, much worse.

I didn't pay much attention to the birds when I lived in Philadelphia. All we had were pigeons and whatever it was that made a nest every year in the eaves just outside my bedroom window (very noisy). What a difference a few dozen miles makes!

662 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:55:57pm

ThinkIran Report: Secret Police Calling/Leaving Messages Those Have Family In USA Not to Communicate Or Else (Confirmed) #IranElection Tehran Iran
39 minutes ago from web

663 1SG(ret)  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:56:19pm

re: #651 Slumbering Behemoth
I apologize for my outburst as well.

664 JacksonTn  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:57:35pm

It was not a lunatic's office where the Che flag was hanging ...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

some may forget the crap that came out of the Obama campaign ... I will never ....

665 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:57:39pm

re: #655 Killgore Trout

I have to say I think it was a bad idea to plan them for the 4th on a purely pragmatic basis. People want to be barbecuing and swimming and watching fireworks. Traffic is a nightmare anyway, let alone trying to get to a rally...they'd have been better off calling it the Independence weekend protests and holding it around the 4th, not on the 4th.

666 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:58:19pm

re: #631 Slumbering Behemoth

Fine, get your bib ready for your spoon feeding:

"A bloody Schwarzenegger head on the end of a pike? Chanting "Heads on sticks"?

I don't like the sound of that, even metaphorically speaking. It's over the top. It seems like something the loony Left would do."

That's one. Need another spoonful?

Did you personally check their party identity or are you making an assumption?

I don't know if they were democrats, republicans or independents but you are jumping to the conclusion that they must be part of the "right wing".

I do not understand the mentality of people who run around claiming "us too!" "We're racist too! We're sexist too! We have people who cheat on their spouses too! See! We're horrible people!" Get a grip and climb off the cross. I live in a town that went nearly 80% for Obama. There is a man who lives a mile away who was released from jail on a murder charge last summer and he has an Obama sticker on his car. I didn't see any of his neighbors changing party and voting McCain because they thought he was representative of anything other than a thug. If I'm cut off at a 4 way stop by someone with a McCain sticker, should I change my party affiliation or should I don sackcloth and ashes in the plaza and apologize for his actions?

667 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:58:42pm

re: #664 JacksonTn

It was not a lunatic's office where the Che flag was hanging ...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

some may forget the crap that came out of the Obama campaign ... I will never ....

The flag wasn't endorsed by the party or the campaign.

668 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:58:48pm

LMAO! Now McVeigh wasn't a right-wing extremists because he was a Darwinist.

These people are sad.

669 livefreeor die  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:58:54pm

re: #657 HoosierHoops

Tweeter use has grown by 1300% this year...
Just imagine last year not knowing what Megan Fox had for lunch that day....
inconceivable!

Or missing the chance to see Lindsay Lohan's breasts.
/

670 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:59:26pm

On the topic of Stormfront:

The Stormfront Accomplices

This article connects Stormfront to James von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum shooter.

671 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 8:59:41pm

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan
and
re: #662 NJDhockeyfan
Thanks for those update NJDhockeyfan - but I have to ask you how do you know that #IranElectionTerhran is legit? I mean the last one in particular (your #662) seems to me to be particularly menacing to dissidents, sorta we know who your relatives are kind of thing.

672 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:00:00pm

re: #615 Lincolntf

Uhhh, everything the filmer didn't feel like showing?

To save space, please see my #648 to Wendya. I'm sure there's video of good reasonable people I haven't seen, and video of nuts I haven't seen. News is imperfect, but I think I've got a good idea of the mix. Internet helps a lot, too, seeing what groups are involved behind the scenes and what their agendas are, and for my money LGF has been extremely helpful in that regard.

673 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:00:39pm
674 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:01:32pm

re: #659 iceweasel

The problem is, that was perfectly fine in those circles until it was exposed by the blogosphere.

In fact, a local news station had the video footage of it, and it was happenstance.

This was an office that was given funds to get the vote out. They had a Che flag flying. A Che flag flying in the office.

Furthermore, this is not an isolated incident among that crowd. It is filled with people sympathetic to the likes of Che & Castro. You do remember Michael Moore sitting next to Carter don't you?

Follow up, have you read Dreams of my Father?

675 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:02:06pm

re: #642 formercorpsman

Well, if you go back far enough on LGF, there were campaign offices proudly displaying superimposed Che flags.

There is a difference between people who gather in a public arena and the official campaign office of a Presidential candidate.

The only "kook" at the protest I attended was a guy who protests on behalf of code pink. We gave him plenty of space and no one engaged him.

676 livefreeor die  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:02:21pm

re: #673 taxfreekiller

John F. Kerry is a sitting U.S. Senator,
John F. Kerry is a former Pres. candidate of the Democrats,

John F. Kerry is..
1. a known long term liar
2. a fake award by his own hand in a combat zone
3. a person of perjury before the U.S. Congress , telling lies about active U.S. Service men during a war.
4. a person with two discharges
5. a person with two DD-214
6. a person with a fake and fraud CIA hat

and he goes to every large gathering of Democrats in America
and lies more....

so, a few kooks get near tea parties,
so, get Kerry out of the Senate, get him out of the Democrat party
then when the Democrat party house is "broom clean" come help us
keep the Laup Nor's at bay, the help will be accepted

like that

You left out:
7. just a gigolo

677 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:02:32pm

re: #663 1SG(ret)

Nah, I had that coming too. I'm not quite in Iron Fist Rule territory, but my blood is livened up a little. I think I'll head out to the garage and knock a few things off my Round Two-it list.

I'll tip the next cold one I open to you. Should happen in about ten seconds.

Later Lizards.

678 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:02:41pm

re: #675 Wendya

What protest would that have been?

679 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:03:08pm

re: #670 Dark_Falcon

On the topic of Stormfront:

The Stormfront Accomplices

This article connects Stormfront to James von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum shooter.

No shit.

680 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:03:37pm

re: #671 realwest

and
re: #662 NJDhockeyfan
Thanks for those update NJDhockeyfan - but I have to ask you how do you know that #IranElectionTerhran is legit? I mean the last one in particular (your #662) seems to me to be particularly menacing to dissidents, sorta we know who your relatives are kind of thing.

I don't know for sure but I heard a similar story a couple days ago where Iranians were getting automated threatening phone calls.

681 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:04:23pm

re: #678 formercorpsman

What protest would that have been?

Our April 15th Tax protest.

682 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:05:06pm

re: #661 Lynn B.

You missed a graet spot very close by - right off the prospect park exit, the Heinz wildlife preserve. I've seen it all my life driving past and never went because I figured what could there be to see so close to the city and to 95. I just saw it listed as one of the greatest spots for birds, go figure. I haven't been there yet.

683 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:05:41pm

re: #666 Wendya


I don't know if they were democrats, republicans or independents but you are jumping to the conclusion that they must be part of the "right wing".

I never said they were "right wing". Tea Parties protests (and their organizers) themselves are not inherently right wing nor are they conservative.

Libertarians and Paulbots have been having these protests for a couple of years now, long before the "conservative" wing of the MSM started promoting them.

Later.

684 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:06:28pm

Iran Press News hasn't been updated since Sunday.

685 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:07:15pm

re: #674 formercorpsman

The problem is, that was perfectly fine in those circles until it was exposed by the blogosphere.

In fact, a local news station had the video footage of it, and it was happenstance.

This was an office that was given funds to get the vote out. They had a Che flag flying. A Che flag flying in the office.

Furthermore, this is not an isolated incident among that crowd. It is filled with people sympathetic to the likes of Che & Castro. You do remember Michael Moore sitting next to Carter don't you?

Follow up, have you read Dreams of my Father?

Well, you have the idea that it was 'perfectly fine' in those circles; I disagree. This was a flag hung in one of tens of thousands of campaign offices.

Personally, I think it's as wrong for you to claim that this is indicative of the Obama campaign as a whole, or Obama supporters, as it would be for ME to claim that because one GOP aide just sent out a racist email, this somehow shows that the entire GOP is racist, or that the senator whose aide this was is somehow racist.

No, I haven't read Dreams of My Father yet. Only excerpts. Why? I assume you have a problem with something in it.

686 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:07:17pm

re: #684 NJDhockeyfan

Iran Press News hasn't been updated since Sunday.

That would be Sunday, June 7th.

687 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:07:25pm
688 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:08:05pm

re: #681 Wendya

That is fine, but I would agree with the idea that the folks who are organizing these rallies need to make it crystal clear, despite the fact it very well could be the neo-nazi scum finding a soft target, that the Tea Party refutes them unequivocally.

Whether they like it or not, their fault or not, they are tainted by some bad stuff.

689 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:08:14pm

re: #668 Sharmuta

LMAO! Now McVeigh wasn't a right-wing extremists because he was a Darwinist.

These people are sad.

I'm sorry, but anyone who has a "Proud United States Veteran Extremist" button prominently displayed on his blog is flirting with the fringe, IMO.

690 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:08:24pm

re: #680 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, I've heard these stories too and they are troubling to say the least.
Only fools would think that Dinnerjacket's supporters aren't using twitter to put out disinformation and I think Winston 06 (that is, the LGF Winston!) said somethng out here last night about some of the twitters he knew were against Dinnerjacket and they were warning about it and keeping a list of those who were at the very least suspect as to what they twittered but I can't find the doggone thing.
But a really great way to keep people quiet is to threaten their family in another nation - where you couldn't really protect them yourselves. Sort of a modern era Goebbels type of thing - subtle but very threatening ways to keep folks in line.

691 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:08:43pm

re: #672 ShanghaiEd

I can read ten reviews of a movie, watch a dozen trailers, and still not know shit about how I feel about the movie until I see it.
The douche-monkeys who were slamming the Tea Parties before they even happened are the same douche-bags claiming that they were abominable. Coincidence?

692 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:09:30pm

re: #668 Sharmuta

LMAO! Now McVeigh wasn't a right-wing extremists because he was a Darwinist.

These people are sad.

It's pitiful now.

693 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:10:26pm
694 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:11:05pm

Interesting car news featuring our least favorite creationist governor:

'All-American Car' Company to Build Factory in Louisiana

695 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:12:21pm

I just watched "Benjamin Button." What a weird, creepy movie. I was expecting a scene where he goes to a doctor to try and get some scientific explanation of his condition, but the movie was not into realism.

696 Aye Pod  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:13:30pm

Well it was fun being part of the 'SpaceJesus away team' but I gotta hit the sack now. Night all:)

697 Scion9  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:14:09pm

re: #653 Dark_Falcon

We can't guarantee it, but we can tell them beforehand that they are not welcome, marginalize them during the rally, and then denounce them afterwards.

I'm not a "Tea Party" advocate, and it's unlikely that I'll develop the desire to go to one because I don't find that this kind of protest is actually useful in effecting change, but I think that is a terrible idea strategically speaking to strongly and vocally denounce them before, during and after the rally.

I'm not too far from D.C., I get to see a lot of 'rallies' (from a spectating for my entertainment and I never see anyone make any kind of strong GTFO-type statements on although it is frequently obvious there are unwelcome crowds there.

There were calls from the MSM for McCain to get up on the stump and denounce his tens of thousands of racist hordes before they broke loose from the chains of civility that were just barely keeping them from donning white hoods and burning crosses. McCain coming out harshly before, during and after his rallies against his more repugnant supporters would just have lent credence to his detractors

While I'm sure a lot of racists came out against Obama, and as such for McCain, it would have been politically retarded for McCain to advertise that. His admonitions and criticism would have been an admission as to just how badly it was needed.

There is a pejorative joke we have in the Appalachian states. The West Virginian rebukes his critics saying, "Y'all call us inbred, but in WV we have laws against marrying our cousins." His critics reply, "In , we don't need laws to not marry ours."

Same principle applies with the McCain campaign as does to the Tea Parties and with the above joke. Tea Party organizers across the country coming out strongly, vocally, and frequently against racists and kooks would be an admittance that they are such a problem that these calls for their removal and marginalization are sorely needed.

They would be further proof that these are indeed thinly veiled racist movements above and beyond other concerns for those actually calling for drumming a fringe minority out in a spectacularly press-worthy fashion. Failing to do so, is likewise confirmation of the same.

It might be the right thing to do to always harp on skinheads et al, but in the case of these kinds of organized protests it is politically foolish to do so.

698 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:14:17pm

re: #696 Jimmah

Don't hit his sack too hard. It could bruise.

699 Gus  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:15:00pm

re: #668 Sharmuta

LMAO! Now McVeigh wasn't a right-wing extremists because he was a Darwinist.

These people are sad.

Give them a couple of minutes and they'll conclude that Jason E. Bush was a leftist. The funny thing is is that no one even mentioned McVeigh as being a "Christian-terrorist." I am now assuming that the commentator that made the assertion that "McVeigh believed in science" would also conclude through irrational logic that "those believe in science" are "leftists" ergo McVeigh was a leftist.

Reading those comments is sometimes akin to a brush with a psych-ward.

700 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:15:18pm

re: #682 Flyers1974

You missed a graet spot very close by - right off the prospect park exit, the Heinz wildlife preserve. I've seen it all my life driving past and never went because I figured what could there be to see so close to the city and to 95. I just saw it listed as one of the greatest spots for birds, go figure. I haven't been there yet.

Really? Right next to the airport? Well, I'm only half an hour away. I'll have to check it out.

Thanks!

701 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:15:19pm

re: #685 iceweasel

There was too much proximity between that campaign and the antiwar troof idiots. In fact, the only person on the left who I remember calling them out in harsh terms was Bill Clinton. No matter what you might say, the antiwar kooks were jumping on the bed with the Obama campaign at the same slumber party.

I still have a major problem with someone willing to partner up with Bill Ayres on certain policy issues. I find the KKK to be the scum of the earth, and Ayres right there with them. But hey, we can be selective.

As far as the book? Yeah, read it. Then seriously try argue he is just left of center.

The book is his words, not the opposition. If memory serves me, I think the books might have been cited as some presidential qualifications as well.

702 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:16:49pm

re: #691 Lincolntf

I can read ten reviews of a movie, watch a dozen trailers, and still not know shit about how I feel about the movie until I see it.
The douche-monkeys who were slamming the Tea Parties before they even happened are the same douche-bags claiming that they were abominable. Coincidence?

Difference is, there's only one version of a movie. Hundreds of Tea Parties. Nobody has the "whole picture," so it's like the blind men and the elephant proverb. I don't doubt you had a great time. My mileage may vary.

Now that you mention it, the people who were enthusiastically promoting the Tea Parties before they even happened are the same people who are enthusiastic about them now. Coincidence? (Insert ominous cello note)

703 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:18:06pm

but the caravan moves on...

Iraqi Farmers' Market Open for Business

"We have received a lot of help from the Coalition forces, and for that, we are finally to the point that we are here for celebration," said Shaykh Khodaer Abdlhosaen, director of the Central Euphrates Farmers' Market.

Wait.. is this "news"?
/

704 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:18:24pm

re: #702 ShanghaiEd

Have you ever been to one?

705 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:19:37pm

re: #699 Gus 802

It's just nice to see some folks step up and take the fight to these jerks who do nothing but run around trashing LGF. SpaceJesus started a trend tonight.

706 Scion9  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:20:42pm

re: #697 Scion9

Well I don't know what happened to that 2nd paragraph, but you get the gist I'm sure.

707 irish rose  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:21:17pm

re: #647 realwest

Hi y'all - how is everyone and what all are we talking about?

And THANKS CHARLES - this is probaby the best and most welcoming blog for Vets and active duty military personnel outside of the Miliblogs themselves.

I could not agree more.
This Marine mom thanks you, Charles.

708 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:21:28pm

re: #705 Sharmuta

It's just nice to see some folks step up and take the fight to these jerks who do nothing but run around trashing LGF. SpaceJesus started a trend tonight.

Where has he been?

709 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:22:22pm

re: #700 Lynn B.

Yes, very close to the airport, I believe Prospect Park exit. Very highly reviewed as a great spot. I used to live in Prospect Park when I was a kid, can't figure out how I never ended up their..

710 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:22:29pm

re: #695 Alouette

I just watched "Benjamin Button." What a weird, creepy movie. I was expecting a scene where he goes to a doctor to try and get some scientific explanation of his condition, but the movie was not into realism.

It was weird, but I enjoyed it. At three hours plus there must have been something that kept you going watching as well.

Good to see you Alouette.

711 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:22:49pm

re: #709 Flyers1974

Flyers, were you a termite?

712 Lynn B.  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:22:55pm

re: #705 Sharmuta

It's just nice to see some folks step up and take the fight to these jerks who do nothing but run around trashing LGF. SpaceJesus started a trend tonight.

He appears to be gone. I think he'll be (pleasantly) surprised to see this when he gets back.

713 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:23:04pm

re: #704 Lincolntf

Have you ever been to one?

No. As I stated in #605.

714 Gus  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:23:41pm

re: #705 Sharmuta

It's just nice to see some folks step up and take the fight to these jerks who do nothing but run around trashing LGF. SpaceJesus started a trend tonight.

True. I sometimes think they do this to generate traffic. The original blog post at "This Ain't Hell is Completely insincere and a mischaracterization but that's to be expected from the "No True Scotsman" adherents. Someone posted a similar observation as mine regarding the science-leftist assumptions.

715 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:23:44pm

re: #701 formercorpsman

Will read it; look forward to discussing it with you.

BTW, Ayers is a douchebag who has inexplicably avoided prison, but I don't see his actions from practically 40 years ago influencing Obama. Ayers is pretty roundly loathed on the left, you know, for the damage he did to the responsible anti-war movement during Vietnam. As well as apparently just being a jerk.

I don't find anything sinister about Obama working with Ayers on some education issues. Like it or not, he's now a college professor who's been working on those issues in Chicago. And i don't think Ayers or Wright should even be a topic of discussion anymore. If Ayers were still making bombs and such, it would be a different story.

I need to go eat, but I'm sure we'll take this up down the road. :)
Cheers,
iceweasel

716 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:24:26pm

re: #715 iceweasel

Fair enough.

717 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:24:45pm

re: #710 jorline

It was weird, but I enjoyed it. At three hours plus there must have been something that kept you going watching as well.

Good to see you Alouette.

I have a JOB INTERVIEW tomorrow afternoon. I hope I can stop hyperventilating. What kind of questions should I ask the interviewers to show how much I want this job? I know whenever they ask "what are your weakness" I always mention some software program I could get training in.

718 irish rose  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:25:41pm

re: #649 MrPaulRevere

How to tell when you are spending too much time on the internet: "I lost a good job about 6 years ago due to my desire to surf and blog." From the comments at '2'.

Is there a 12-step for that?

719 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:25:43pm

re: #713 ShanghaiEd

Keep up that level of diligence and your credibility will well reflect it.

By the way, I hate Antarctica. Never been there but I here it's wicked hot.

720 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:25:58pm

re: #715 iceweasel

Oh come on now....all Bill Ayers' needs is a kilt and you have the 'no true Scotsman' defense for the left.

721 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:27:03pm

re: #711 formercorpsman

Termite, termite, for some reason that word sound familiar. Don't think so, what's a termite?

722 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:27:30pm

re: #721 Flyers1974

football field?

Wawa.

723 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:27:34pm

re: #720 Fenway_Nation

Oh come on now....all Bill Ayers' needs is a kilt and you have the 'no true Scotsman' defense for the left.

Agreed.

724 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:28:13pm

re: #721 Flyers1974

Am I allowed to ask how old you might be? (If I have asked before, forgive me)

725 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:29:02pm

re: #719 Lincolntf

Keep up that level of diligence and your credibility will well reflect it.

By the way, I hate Antarctica. Never been there but I here it's wicked hot.

(1) Thanks. I'll take my chances.

(2) Not according to YouTube. :)

726 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:29:51pm

re: #719 Lincolntf

Heh. I said "here" instead of "hear". I suck at English.

727 Gus  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:30:01pm

OT

Lunar Recon Orbiter Liftoff!

Countdown clock is approx. 16 hours and 41 minutes from this post.

LRO/LCROSS

NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite are set to lift off together aboard an Atlas V rocket on Thursday, June 18, at 5:12 p.m. EDT. Two additional launch opportunities are available at 5:22 p.m. and 5:32 p.m.

728 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:30:04pm

re: #688 formercorpsman
Hey my friend. I have to say this: it is, as I'm sure you know or can imagine, impossible to keep any much less every group out of attending what is, after all, a public event.
While I agree that the leaders of the Tea Parties should most certainly distance themselves from the weirdos and make pubic statements that Neo-Nazi's, Ron Paul followers and the lunatic fringe (and yes, I'd say "lunatic fringe") are not welcome, part of the very real problem that Tea Party's have is a lack of leadership. I mean there were over 30 different Tea Party's in North Carolina on April 15th of this year alone. All, of course, in different locations.
I'm not as mobile as I'd like to be, but I have had
reports from 8 different folks now (some LGFers, some not) who attended 6 different Tea Party's down here and they all said the same three things (also said other things not really relevant here):
1. No one really seemed to be in charge of what was happening, who the "approved" speakers were and the like.
2. Only one Paulista was in attendance as evidenced by his tea shirt - no signs or placards or whatnot for Ron Paul or Stormfront or anything like that and
3. a LOT of people were pissed off at Democrats AND at Republicans, seemed really PISSED OFF about the economy and what was seen, apparently, as the politicization of same (as opposed to simply trying to fix it).

I think that, so far at least, the various Tea Parties have in fact been independent - coordinated only by date - not even by time! - truly grass roots folks who are genuinely pissed off about how much money is being spent and to what effect. I DON'T expect many Tea Parties on July 4th but do expect - and this is based a lot on what my friends who attended tea parties told me, that NEXT April 15th, barring some miraculous changes of heart in Washington, Democrats (cause they run the government now - totally own it) and Republicans cause they do - at heart - speak for small business and individual liberties, even if some SoCons fuck up that message, are gonna be HUGE. REALLY ENORMOUS.
I don't understand why folks in Washington don't understand the genuine ANGER that is being felt - not to mention the economic pain - by so many Americans. But someone is gonna come forward and try to run the Tea Parties and that person won't be Ron Paul or that idiot truther who's always on or at least frequently on, Judge Napolitano's show. That is where the real fight is going to be for the leadership of the Tea Parties and I don't think it'll be a Democrat.
And so far, no Republican seems to really connect with the Tea Parties yet either.

729 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:32:53pm

re: #722 formercorpsman

Where in relation to Lincoln Avenue or Maryland Avenue? I was probably too young at the time to have gone to the football field. I vaguely remember the wawa. Remember Davis' Trading Post by the way?

730 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:34:22pm

re: #724 formercorpsman

38.

731 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:35:09pm

re: #728 realwest

I think they understand the anger.

As well, as someone who gets to pay a shitload of taxes, as well as be subjected to the sloth pace of government, I can certainly appreciate the mass of people not only throwing their arms up in the air, but genuine anger in seeing how things are going.

I guess all in all, somehow, and I don't really know how, a movement involving that platform should be outlined. But, you need good organization for that.

All in all, once the stink gets on, it is hard to get off.

732 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:35:24pm

re: #725 ShanghaiEd

I have no idea whether or not you're one of the many anti-Tea Party trolls that populate the Web, but if you actually want to see what one is like I can pretty much guarantee that there'll be one in your 'hood on the 4th of July.

If you really care about the issue, then you should go see it for yourself. Volunteering to be a slave to the MSM is no good for you.
Look, See, and Decide. Otherwise it's all just jibba-jabba that has no foundation.

733 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:35:53pm

re: #708 Dark_Falcon
What did Spacejesus say or do?!

734 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:36:04pm

One of my best memories was 1976 4th of July in Prospect Park.

735 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:36:12pm

re: #715 iceweasel

Will read it; look forward to discussing it with you.

BTW, Ayers is a douchebag who has inexplicably avoided prison, but I don't see his actions from practically 40 years ago influencing Obama. Ayers is pretty roundly loathed on the left, you know, for the damage he did to the responsible anti-war movement during Vietnam. As well as apparently just being a jerk.

I don't find anything sinister about Obama working with Ayers on some education issues. Like it or not, he's now a college professor who's been working on those issues in Chicago. And i don't think Ayers or Wright should even be a topic of discussion anymore. If Ayers were still making bombs and such, it would be a different story.

I need to go eat, but I'm sure we'll take this up down the road. :)
Cheers,
iceweasel

He was pictured standing on an American flag as recently as 2001. He has no remorse for his actions in the 60s and finds his efforts to have been completely justified. That's where the worry comes from Obama having his head up this guy's butt for so long.

The lefties love this guy. They make excuses for him all the time. They are appalled that anyone would criticize him. He gets the "poor me" articles. I've never seen anyone complain about the Weather Underground distracting from their "legitimate" protests. And now that one of his BFFs has been elected to the highest office in the land, they're making even more excuses for him. He may not get invited to the White House, but his past actions are downplayed and whitewashed by the MSM and the dems.

736 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:37:33pm

re: #729 Flyers1974

hit me at yahoo.com

That would be with a formercorpsman before it.

I'm cool, no worries. I actually speak with a few people here. Plus, you can keep your anonymity that way if you wish.

Yeah, I remember quite a bit of the area.

737 Scion9  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:37:36pm

re: #715 iceweasel


BTW, Ayers is a douchebag who has inexplicably avoided prison, but I don't see his actions from practically 40 years ago influencing Obama. Ayers is pretty roundly loathed on the left, you know, for the damage he did to the responsible anti-war movement during Vietnam.

Other than Ayers being a douchebag that inexplicably avoided prison I don't agree with the 'actions from 40 years ago' track at all. Ayers is still ideologically a radical and is unrepentant. I'm pretty sure if someone 'worked' with Charles Manson towards a common political goal today it wouldn't be brushed off as inconsequential that he ran a murderous cult ~40 years ago...because he is still just as batshit crazy today and so is Ayers.

I'm skeptical as to the 'loathed on the left' as well. I see a lot of defense and obfuscation on behalf of Ayers for a guy that is both loathed and seen as inconsequential in regards to the current President.

738 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:37:51pm

re: #727 Gus 802

OT

Lunar Recon Orbiter Liftoff!

Countdown clock is approx. 16 hours and 41 minutes from this post.

LRO/LCROSS

I thought that said an Ares V rocket for a second. That would be an encouraging step toward knowing that Orion will actually fly and Obama wont SCSC it.

739 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:39:04pm

re: #733 realwest

What did Spacejesus say or do?!

SpaceJesus went and defended Charles and LGF at the blog linked at the top of this article. Good for him!

740 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:39:32pm

re: #688 formercorpsman

That is fine, but I would agree with the idea that the folks who are organizing these rallies need to make it crystal clear, despite the fact it very well could be the neo-nazi scum finding a soft target, that the Tea Party refutes them unequivocally.

Whether they like it or not, their fault or not, they are tainted by some bad stuff.

So, should we beat them to the ground and take away their signs? Should we call the media and DEMAND that they print a story claiming we don't support them? Should we instead, carry signs saying we don't support truthers or Ron Paul?

Please... get real, here.

741 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:39:36pm

re: #733 realwest

What did Spacejesus say or do?!

I dunno. He's somewhere else, wreaking havoc, I guess.

742 Sambo  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:39:58pm

Interesting article where former President GW Bush is defending some of his decisions relative to those of President Obama:

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

And of course, the poor guy uses a double negative in his speech:
"and I don't believe that persuasion isn't going to work."

743 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:39:58pm

YouTube gets it.

YouTube said it had relaxed its usual restrictions on violent videos to allow the images from Iran to reach the rest of the world.


"In general, we do not allow graphic or gratuitous violence on YouTube," the company said in a statement. "However, we make exceptions for videos that have educational, documentary, or scientific value. The limitations being placed on mainstream media reporting from within Iran make it even more important that citizens in Iran be able to use YouTube to capture their experiences for the world to see."

744 Gus  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:40:38pm

re: #738 ArchangelMichael

I thought that said an Ares V rocket for a second. That would be an encouraging step toward knowing that Orion will actually fly and Obama wont SCSC it.

Ah. Yeah, says here, "Atlas V/Centaur."

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

Nice hi-res image of it on the launch pad there.

Knock on wood regarding the future budgeting and el presidente.

745 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:40:52pm

I will be giving SpaceJesus as much karma as I can the next few times he's around- at least as long as he's not saying something really wild. I'm going to start by updinging him at #30.

746 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:40:59pm

re: #735 kynna

If lefties and Democrats are the same thing, I'd beg to differ that we love Bill Ayers. I'm reasonably aware of what's going on politically, and I never heard of Ayers until this last year. He seems like a different generation, to be honest.

747 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:41:15pm

re: #732 Lincolntf

No slave to the MSM, here. I get my news from the Internet.

I sincerely appreciate the Tea Party invitation, though.

748 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:41:43pm

re: #741 Dark_Falcon

I dunno. He's somewhere else, wreaking havoc, I guess.

No he's not! He defended LGF! He led by example tonight.

749 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:42:03pm

re: #717 Alouette

I have a JOB INTERVIEW tomorrow afternoon. I hope I can stop hyperventilating. What kind of questions should I ask the interviewers to show how much I want this job? I know whenever they ask "what are your weakness" I always mention some software program I could get training in.

I wish you the best of luck on your interview tomorrow.

When asked about weaknesses tell them you avoid over using your strengths...strengths over used become a weakness.

I've conducted thousands of interviews and never asked that because I always thought the question was a weak lazy interviewers trick question. I wasn't there to trick anyone...just wanted their best answers. A good interviewer understands you're nervise...their job is to help bring out your good qualities. Unfortunately some people don't have those qualities...thus the interview is shortened.

I always hired honesty, character and work ethics over anything else...it's hard to find people who actually care and want to work...never bullshit your way through an interview.

PS...my wife is a type "A". She interviewed for a job last Friday and has heard anything yet. She really wants the job and the waiting is killing her.

God's speed tomorrow at noon Alouette.

750 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:42:29pm

re: #735 kynna

I don't want to speak for someone else but I get the feeling that "the left" who doesn't like Ayers that Iceweasel is talking about, is the non-rabid, non over-the-top kook liberals that we don't see or hear much of. I know they exist. I know some of them. They don't rant much on websites or go on TV or radio and say asinine things. I wish there was a few more of them.

751 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:42:48pm

re: #747 ShanghaiEd

It's best to see something before critiquing it.
I know that rule doesn't apply on this site, but in the real world you might actually benefit from it.

752 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:43:01pm

re: #717 Alouette

I have a JOB INTERVIEW tomorrow afternoon. I hope I can stop hyperventilating. What kind of questions should I ask the interviewers to show how much I want this job? I know whenever they ask "what are your weakness" I always mention some software program I could get training in.

You might just go ahead and answer the question about weaknesses forthrightly. Everybody has weaknesses. Some are so arrogant they refuse to admit it and even blind themselves to their own weaknesses. This makes it impossible for them to mitigate them, let alone repair them.

Who wants to hire somebody who thinks he/she's perfect?

They're probably not interested in how much you want the job. They want to know why you'd be good at the job. Why you'd be dedicated to the work, not just the paycheck. Have you a track record of going out of the way to get something right, or get it done on time, or what have you? Incidents, facts, and events from your work history are terribly important.

It's also a good idea to ask some material questions about the work. Good questions show that you've already done your homework and you know in a general way what the work is and what your part would be. Now, you try to fill in some of the blank spots and get a sense of the tone of the work and the work environment.

If you have children, or plan to have them, it's a good idea to say nothing about the topic, not even tangentially. They're not allowed to bring it up, but if you bring it up and volunteer information---, they can take it into account. Same thing with medical conditions. If you have a medical condition that is just flatly incompatible with certain types of work, you just need to ask your questions carefully, so as not to tip your own hand.

753 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:43:10pm

re: #736 formercorpsman

Cool, you and I've talked before, no worries. You probably know my cousins who lived their much longer than I did. Went to Interboro.

754 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:43:42pm

re: #740 Wendya

Don't get mad. My point is, whether deserved or not, the folks towards the top should be making a strong effort to outline what exactly they are protesting.

I think many of these gatherings are too loose, and could use better organization.

I like the idea of people being so pissed off about the corruption by their elected officials, they voice their anger visibly.

I'll make a comparison. When Fred Phelps clan look to protest a funeral, it is obvious what the patriot guard is there to do.

That is what I am talking about.

755 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:43:57pm

re: #740 Wendya
How about getting your local or national Tea Party organizers to denounce them? Put up a blog post saying they aren't welcome? You can't do that, can you? The organizers won't renounce White Supremacists. Yet you attend anyways and say that you can't do anything about it. Whose problem is that?

756 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:44:37pm

re: #745 Sharmuta


I will be giving SpaceJesus as much karma as I can the next few times he's around- at least as long as he's not saying something really wild. I'm going to start by updinging him at #30.


Rino!
/

757 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:45:02pm

re: #753 Flyers1974

yeah, hit me up when you get a chance man.

758 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:45:20pm

re: #756 Killgore Trout

LOL! He's making a karmic comeback. He's under -1000.

759 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:46:05pm

re: #755 Killgore Trout

And yesterday they didn't denounce the famine in Darfur! Racists!

Really, do all things have to be all things? If so, why aren't you out feeding the hungry instead of diddling with your computer?

760 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:46:12pm

re: #739 Sharmuta

SpaceJesus went and defended Charles and LGF at the blog linked at the top of this article. Good for him!

And he is doing a good job.

761 jorline  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:48:09pm

re: #749 jorline

PIMF...it's late.

nervise = nervous

my wife has not heard

762 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:48:31pm

re: #751 Lincolntf

It's best to see something before critiquing it.
I know that rule doesn't apply on this site, but in the real world you might actually benefit from it.

Makes sense. What were your impressions of the people at the anti-war rallies you attended?

763 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:50:31pm

re: #762 ShanghaiEd

Ed, I would think in order to be fair, one attending an anti-war rally would have to be in some agreement with the sentiment.

764 Scion9  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:51:29pm

re: #746 Flyers1974

Left-wing and Democrat are not totally synonymous, but that is the trend obviously. Usually (although not always) when a conservative is saying 'lefty', 'leftist' et cetera it is to avoid using the liberal label. Bill Ayers for example is without a doubt on the left, but as a self-described communist is actually illiberal.

I won't say Democrats 'love' Ayers, but my mostly Democrat family who are more cut from the Christian, civil servant/working class pro-union mold for that party (FDR Democrats for want of a label) will absolutely at the drop of a hat either defend Bill Ayers or obfuscate on the behalf of any Democrat politician, left-wing pundit, journalist, publication, you name it. It just does not matter what he stands for, or what he did or what he is doing today. If the NYTimes et cetera doesn't find fault with the guy, there isn't one to be found; end of story.

765 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:51:52pm

re: #731 formercorpsman
Well I agree with most of what you said there - but I really DON'T think they get the genuine anger of "the grassroots" - they excuse it as Paulistas, or Neo-Nazi's or you name it.
As I mentioned in the spin off links, President Obama's popularity - according to two polls - by CBS and other by the WSJ - has dropped 5 points (though he's still very popular and given that the MSM is in his pocket - his BACK pocket) I expect polls to show that his popularity remains high for quite a while. But in playing to his base (can you say UAW - I knew you could) which is comprised of a number of otherwise conflicting groups, I'm afraid he really, truly IS missing the Big Picture - just WAAY too much government spending, lack of accountability for that spending and lack of taxes to pay for that spending. And the folks getting hurt the most are the middle class and seniors - huge segments of voters.
But the real issue to me, at least, is why doesn't the government respond to the Tea Party's that have already occured and what the hell are they gonna do come next April 15th when the real expense to the middle class and seniors starts to really be biting them on the ass?
I know government moves at glacial speed at the best of times, but the Dem's Own the Federal Government. Pelosi seems to allow no dissent or serious dissent from her leadership, nor does Reid. So why do they continue to lose their collective fucking minds over the economy? Could it be that they beleive what they read and hear: that the Tea Parties are really just attempts by "fringe" or "kook" elements in society? That's what troubles me the most. Until today, with the Health Care proposal, no one in the Congress (or no Dem in Congress) has asked "HEY - how the hell are we gonna pay for this?"

766 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:51:52pm

re: #758 Sharmuta

He's been stalked by the self appointed purity patrol (Mutaween). I don't have any issue with the guy.

767 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:52:05pm

re: #750 ArchangelMichael

I don't want to speak for someone else but I get the feeling that "the left" who doesn't like Ayers that Iceweasel is talking about, is the non-rabid, non over-the-top kook liberals that we don't see or hear much of. I know they exist. I know some of them. They don't rant much on websites or go on TV or radio and say asinine things. I wish there was a few more of them.

Isn't that all parties though? Chances are, if you are posting on a political website, any political website, you are far more committed to your party/political views and far more knowledgable than the average person belonging to same. Thus more extreme.

768 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:52:21pm

re: #745 Sharmuta

I will be giving SpaceJesus as much karma as I can the next few times he's around- at least as long as he's not saying something really wild. I'm going to start by updinging him at #30.

Ding'd and done! I wonder if he's made the TOP TEN comments before?
LOL!

769 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:53:22pm

re: #757 formercorpsman

Back in a second. The dreaded cigarette is calling my name.

770 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:53:53pm

re: #755 Killgore Trout

How about getting your local or national Tea Party organizers to denounce them? Put up a blog post saying they aren't welcome? You can't do that, can you? The organizers won't renounce White Supremacists. Yet you attend anyways and say that you can't do anything about it. Whose problem is that?

Hon, I don't have a "national tea party organizer". Our protests are organized locally by people of both parties and we don't have any official sponsors, petitions, etc...

771 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:54:02pm

re: #768 Floral Giraffe

Ding'd and done! I wonder if he's made the TOP TEN comments before?
LOL!

Yes- he has.

772 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:54:25pm

re: #734 Flyers1974
Me too, but from the roof of a brownstone in Brooklyn on the water right between the Statue of Liberty and the fireworks display!
What a FABULOUS July 4th that was!

773 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:55:50pm

re: #717 Alouette

I have a JOB INTERVIEW tomorrow afternoon. I hope I can stop hyperventilating. What kind of questions should I ask the interviewers to show how much I want this job? I know whenever they ask "what are your weakness" I always mention some software program I could get training in.

Good luck!
Make sure to tell the interviewer that you WANT the job!
Amazing how many people don't do that.
Good luck!

774 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:56:11pm

re: #717 Alouette

I have a JOB INTERVIEW tomorrow afternoon. I hope I can stop hyperventilating. What kind of questions should I ask the interviewers to show how much I want this job? I know whenever they ask "what are your weakness" I always mention some software program I could get training in.

This is general interviewing advice.
First, look up the company, and show that you're interested in what they do. Relate it to your interests and what you've done in the past.
I have to emphasize looking up at least their web site. You might not know what you'll be working on, but you show interest in the company, which is important.

When I give interviews, I use "behavioral interviewing" - I ask for examples of what the candidate has done and how he or she works. And when I'm being interviewed, I turn it around. I take questions, and wherever possible, give an example of something relevant I've done and how it applies to the position.

BTW, I once interviewed someone who had absolutely no idea what the company did - and it had a web site that explained it well enough. He didn't get the job.

775 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:56:20pm

re: #762 ShanghaiEd

I was in the Army. When we "rallied", it wasn't for the kind of "peace" you're thinking of.

776 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:57:03pm

I'd like to go to a tea party just to see whats going on in real time. There's nothing like boots on the ground.

777 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:57:09pm

re: #765 realwest

Well I agree with most of what you said there - but I really DON'T think they get the genuine anger of "the grassroots" - they excuse it as Paulistas, or Neo-Nazi's or you name it.


Many of the protesters I encountered were business owners. We're the ones who write the paychecks and we're the first ones hit when spending decreases. We know what happens when you take money out of the private sector and allow government to control where it goes. It was far more than just anger.

778 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:57:29pm

re: #764 Scion9

Left-wing and Democrat are not totally synonymous, but that is the trend obviously. Usually (although not always) when a conservative is saying 'lefty', 'leftist' et cetera it is to avoid using the liberal label. Bill Ayers for example is without a doubt on the left, but as a self-described communist is actually illiberal.

Except for my last post, since I was talking about actual "liberals" on the left in it, I try to never use the word "liberal" in connection with the left or the Democrat party. I consider liberal to mean someone who believes in, for the most part, the ideas that came out of the Enlightenment. The lefties that I am opposed to are invariably illiberal as you said. Most people I consider to be real liberals are either somewhere on the right or independents.

779 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:58:49pm

re: #751 Lincolntf

It's best to see something before critiquing it.
I know that rule doesn't apply on this site, but in the real world you might actually benefit from it.

So, are you saying that the videos that the Tea Party participants themselves post on YouTube aren't to be admitted as evidence?

780 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:59:24pm

re: #739 Sharmuta
Thanks Sharmuta! I'm both surprised and extremely pleased - saw Buck in there too,defending us and Charles. Hopefully many others, too, but too much gunk too wade through to find it!

781 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:59:55pm

re: #778 ArchangelMichael

'Truman Democrats' I can actually respect. We may part ways on this issue or that, but they aren't insane.

782 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 9:59:56pm

re: #770 Wendya

Nobody on the Left wants to hear the truth about the Tea Parties. They love a shibboleth to distract from their own failings, and anything with a "name" will suit their purposes.
Enjoy your T.P., so far they've been a good time.

783 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:00:16pm

re: #772 realwest

And the firworks seemed so much better. I guess they would be, being the bicentennial.

784 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:00:21pm

re: #776 MrPaulRevere

I'd like to go to a tea party just to see whats going on in real time. There's nothing like boots on the ground.

Twitter the tea parties!

785 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:00:48pm

re: #780 realwest

There's only 58 comments.

786 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:00:52pm

re: #765 realwest

Real, I think their folks behind the scenes are constantly speculating, & calculating scenarios.

Potential fallout, risk versus reward in political terms.

I am not one to dismiss the idea behind these tea parties, but at the same time, again, they seem to come with some baggage.

As far as asking those questions, they don't. Anyone with half a brain knows if you propose a system where at the inception, it is determined 33 1/3rd people will be contributing to every one person drawing with the expectation of increasing that spread, only to see decades later, that gap decreased significantly, a 5th grader could tell you that is a collision course.

But they don't care. They just don't care. That is why they can vote to send our troops to war, and then jump on the bandwagon when things get tough, and stop funding them in subsequent legislation.

787 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:01:02pm

re: #748 Sharmuta

I think SJ enjoys pouring his wrath out upon those whom he considers the "goats."

788 Sambo  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:01:13pm

re: #776 MrPaulRevere

I went to a Tea Party in Bellevue, Washngton on the 15th of April. I carried my sign and met other people that were largely like me (small business owner, married, three mostly-grown children.) Near as I could tell, they didn't "hate" or "not like" Barak Obama, they were just concerned about the direction in which they thought he would move the country. And, a few months down the road, I have to say that I think their concerns, and mine, were appropriate.

789 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:01:41pm

re: #763 formercorpsman

Ed, I would think in order to be fair, one attending an anti-war rally would have to be in some agreement with the sentiment.

Not necessarily. I think lincoln was saying that you can't judge an event unless you've attended. To say that you shouldn't attend unless you agree in advance is sort of a Catch 22. The logic doesn't hold up, to me. I think a fair-minded person can listen to the message of speakers on any topic and judge their credibility...either in person, or via video.

790 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:01:47pm

re: #779 freetoken

I'm saying that I could tape three skinhead Nazi idiots in my backyard and call it a "Freetoken Party" and you'd have no idea if that was reality or not.

791 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:02:09pm

re: #784 Sharmuta

I have the 4th off so I just might, and report back here. I would play it straight with the reporting.

792 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:05:07pm

re: #789 ShanghaiEd

True, but at the same time, if someone is there first hand, and making a case that what the video shows, and what they had the first hand account of experiencing not jiving, they might have a credible position.

793 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:05:33pm

re: #775 Lincolntf

I was in the Army. When we "rallied", it wasn't for the kind of "peace" you're thinking of.

I was in the Army too. How does that relate to Tea Parties?

794 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:07:10pm

This is a driveby, but I'll be back later--

Here is progressive blogger Hilzoy, who kicks fierce ass, slaughtering Ayers in a post. Many comments follow, all condemning Ayers (i only took a quick look) -- I notice one of the commentators even links to zombie.

Here's the money bit for those short of patience:

After three of their own were blown up, Weatherman tried not to hurt people, though they did blow up property, and seem to have placed a lot of trust in their ability to tell, for instance, whether any janitors were still in the buildings they bombed. And after that explosion, according to Ayers, the Weather Underground got a new name. But when his co-Weathermen blew themselves up, they were planning to kill a whole lot of people. Weatherman was never nonviolent.

Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground did more than 'cross lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense.' They were, by any standard I can think of, terrorists. As one historian says, "The only reason they were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence (...) I don't know what sort of defense that is."

They say they did it to end the war in Vietnam. But how, exactly, that was supposed to happen is a total mystery. It's the Underpants Gnome theory of political activism:

Phase 1: Set a bunch of bombs.
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: The war ends!

That level of tactical idiocy is one thing when you're collecting underpants. It's quite another when you're setting bombs.

[Link: obsidianwings.blogs.com...]

And here is Katha Pollitt condemning him in the Nation:

Bill Ayers Whitewashes History, Again
[Link: www.thenation.com...]

So trust me, even if the friends or family you have that are libs are defending this douche, there's a ton of leftys and progressives who never did.

(sorry, have to run; will be back at some point)

795 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:07:30pm

re: #793 ShanghaiEd

I don't do peace rallies. Aren't you the one who brought that up?

796 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:11:12pm

re: #795 Lincolntf

I don't do peace rallies. Aren't you the one who brought that up?

I had a really good experience at one. You shouldn't knock it until you've tried it.

797 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:12:22pm

re: #717 Alouette

I have a JOB INTERVIEW tomorrow afternoon. I hope I can stop hyperventilating. What kind of questions should I ask the interviewers to show how much I want this job? I know whenever they ask "what are your weakness" I always mention some software program I could get training in.

Smiling enthusiasm is what wins.

If you really want the job, just smile and say, "I really want this job!"

It's that simple.

Why hyperventilate? Probably thousands of people see every post you make here, talking to a couple of suits in an interview, is nothing compared to LGF!

And if they ask about your weaknesses - laugh maniacally, get up and dance on the table. There's hardly a stupider question in interviewing. OK, alright, just give any old answer, that you could use more breadth or depth is a good throwaway.

... what's this on the news, Hillary fell and broke her elbow?

Sorry, don't get distracted like that in the interview. Just look them in the eye and smile, and give any old answers, you'll do fine.

798 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:12:30pm

re: #794 iceweasel

Yes dear, tons.

There are tons of who voted for him, and never even considered looking at it.

Again, if they are slaughtering Ayres, why is ok for Obama to be making policy with him in recent years?

Even though you say after they killed their own in the process of making bombs to kill others, to this day, remain unrepentant about their actions then.

Come on.

799 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:13:26pm

re: #798 formercorpsman

OK, I can't control the typos anymore.

Everyone have a good night.

800 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:13:41pm

re: #791 MrPaulRevere

If you go, I'd love to hear your account.

801 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:13:50pm

I'm listening to a replay of of today's Glen Beck show, he's ranting about how Barry Manilow is gay. This man is a serious idiot.

802 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:14:12pm

re: #764 Scion9

Interesting. I can't speak on that because everyone in my family other than me, is apolitical. Most of the Democrats I know are in the science field due to my wife's profession, and I'd be surprised if they for instance, visit political websites. Just speculating there because I've never heard any of the buzzwords in their conversation about politics

803 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:14:54pm

re: #801 MrPaulRevere

He is not. I seriously heard he like big girls.

804 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:15:03pm

re: #790 Lincolntf

You are in fantasy land.

There are on Youtube videos from large "Tea Party" events in PA and IN which turned into large 'nirther rallies (led by Keyes.) I've posted the videos here before. The IN "party" has well over a thousand people (estimates ran as high as 2000), and the ones in PA were large too.

Or of the "Tea Parties" in OK which featured the OK state congressman Brogdon, an Alex Jones afficianodo. These were real "Tea Parties". I linked all that stuff here before, too.

Of course KT have shown over and over that Campaign for Liberty is one of the major sponsors of "Tea Parties".

You are in denial.

805 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:15:14pm

re: #799 formercorpsman

Are you still on th eeast coast? If so, I'll hit you up tomorrow morning.

806 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:15:49pm

re: #796 ShanghaiEd

The only "peace" rally I've ever been a part of was in Czechloslovakia ( I was minding the Fulda Gap and got some leave during the Velvet Revolution).
I admit that it was a good time, and I still have a salt shaker that some Czech bartender gave me as a souvenir. Good times.

807 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:16:03pm

Hillary breaks right elbow, left undamaged

So she missed her meeting with Angelina Jolie, who she was talking to without preconditions. Bummer. Oxycontin, here we come!

808 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:16:07pm

re: #802 Flyers1974

Flyers, I'm turning in.

Seriously, hit me up when you get a chance. I'll throw some names at you. Your close in age.

809 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:17:07pm

re: #717 Alouette
Hi Alouette - I saw your post through my friend Jorline's comment to you at #749 and the best advice I can give you is to do a lot of questioning about the company (which, btw, you should have done some research on first) and how it functions, make sure the interviewer KNOWS you WANT the job, don't - in a first interview even mention pay, benefits or vacations. I've interviewd hundreds of people in my day and a surprising amount ask, at the very first interview "How much vacation time will I have when I first start" I always said no to hiring those folks and was always shocked they'd ask such a question.
So let them know you know something about the company, asking about how it's organized shows that you are thiniking of The Company first and don't be afraid to let them know you work hard - not by saying that in so many words but if you really did something like this, say, geez, we worked for nearly 40 straight hours - never left the office - but it was worthwhile because we achieved what we wanted to for the company.
But mostly, just try to relax, be friendly, but don't talk too much unless you're answering a question.
Oh and unless it's volunteered it's also GOOD to ask when you should expect to be hearing from them because you'd like to work there.
You'll do just fine.

810 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:17:23pm

re: #804 freetoken

Yes, yes, yes. Youtube knows more than I saw with my own eyes.

Get outta the basement once in a while.

811 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:18:21pm

re: #808 formercorpsman

Yes, very curious, and I haven't heard from anyone from PP in forever. I'll try you in the morning. Goodnight.

812 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:18:47pm

re: #800 Sharmuta

I was co-editor of my high school newspaper (don't laugh) so I have a minor background in reporting. I have to admit Killgore has interested me in whats really going on at them.

813 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:18:48pm

re: #796 ShanghaiEd

Are you there?

814 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:19:38pm

re: #801 MrPaulRevere

I'm listening to a replay of of today's Glen Beck show, he's ranting about how Barry Manilow is gay. This man is a serious idiot.

Why would he care one way or the other?

815 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:22:00pm

re: #770 Wendya

Like it or not, there are national organizers. One of which is is Eric Ocdom. He's a Paulian and helped one of the more prominent stalker sites register their domain. It's entirely possible that you local tea party is sponsored by Ron Paul, Glenn Beck and hosts speeches by anti-government militias. Get your local Tea Party to publicly denounce participation from White Nationalists. They will be the first, it might even be threadworthy.

816 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:23:59pm

re: #814 Wendya

Becks show is really a stream of consciousness rant.Whatever pops into his head he talks about. Sort of like an interview with Charles Manson.

817 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:24:12pm

re: #815 Killgore Trout

Got mighty quiet all of a sudden.

818 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:24:22pm

re: #813 Flyers1974

Are you there?

Yep, still here.

819 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:24:38pm

Somebody pinch me.....XM/Sirius radio now available on the iPhone.

/*interest in Persian protest babes suddenly falling by the wayside.

820 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:26:05pm

re: #814 Wendya

Because he's insane. I see a lot of comments about how the MSM loves Obama. Obama's greatest asset is that his critics are insane. Obama loves fox news far beyond his biggest ass kisser.

821 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:27:10pm

re: #817 Flyers1974

I'm running out of steam.
/Namaste, yall.

822 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:27:28pm

re: #777 Wendya
Hi Wednya - well as I said, I'm not mobile enough to attend any of 'em (or even a rock concert) any more, but what I heard from friends - people I trust - was anger and outrage.
What was it if it was far more than just anger?

823 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:27:43pm

re: #820 Killgore Trout

Anyone who dares to criticize a God is insane. It's well established.

824 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:29:58pm

re: #818 ShanghaiEd

A thought that may be obvious, but I think is interesting. You've heard something like: if someone says 2 + 2 = 5 they are wrong. But if they say 2 + 2 = 173, they are not wrong, they are playing by a completely different set of rules. Perhaps this would describe the liberals and conservatives, at least those who are engaged as opposed to tradition, etc...

825 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:31:02pm

re: #821 Killgore Trout

Namaste: a word I never saw until a year ago, now it is everywhere. How does that happen?

826 Lincolntf  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:31:50pm

re: #825 Flyers1974

Simple minds looking for simple answers.

827 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:32:45pm

re: #779 freetoken
Maybe as sort of collateral evidence - but since they chose to put them up on YouTube, I'd expect that whatever they put up reflects their pov. Or maybe just something someone "thinks" will garner lots of hits.
I do think to accurately gauge what any rally or march or whatever is all about, it's really important to go to one, and preferably two - that's why I was so pissed off at my lack of mobility - there were three within some 40 miles of driving of where I live and I wish I had seen each of those three to get a better feel for them. But I couldn't and so spoke to friends - people I trust. People I trust a helluva lot more than what I see on YouTube.

828 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:33:41pm

re: #826 Lincolntf

But how? That word exploaded into useage. Like overnight.

829 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:35:52pm

re: #794 iceweasel

Nice try- that's not how it works. If the MSM and left-o-sphere has every schizophrenic douchebag who goes on a rampage because the thinks the CIA is putting transmitters in his teeth as a byproduct of the right, paleo-libretarians or any opposition to 0bama and his policies, the I think it's more than fair to have Bill Ayers and his extended weather underground family (including the killers of Officers O'Grady and Brown) unambiguously categorized as a byproduct of the left in America.

And the link between Ayers and the murderers of Officers O'Grady and Brown is not tenuous- Ayers raised Kathy Boudin's kid to be a fine red-diaper brat that eventually got a Rhodes Scholarship after she was caught.

830 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:37:24pm

Thank you, Charles for this site.
LGF'ers are the best. On this thread alone, we've gone from an anti-immigrant lying murderer, to tea parties, to helping a lizards with job interview advice. With mostly civil discourse! And always witty repartee.
Thanks, Lizards!

831 realwest  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:39:02pm

Well it's waay late for me, I gotta go! Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get a chance to see you all down the road!


Good night, all.

832 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:40:40pm

I'm starting to fade so I'm going to knock off now. Play nice all, and don't forget what I said:

One Racist Speaker Can Ruin Your Whole Rally.

(If you're conservative. If you're liberal, the MSM will cover for you. Sad but true.)

833 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:40:41pm

"Beck was born in Mount Vernon, Washington, and raised a Roman Catholic. His early life was pitted with tragedies; his mother and one of his brothers committed suicide"...Mental illness runs in the family evidently. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

834 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:40:43pm

re: #824 Flyers1974

A thought that may be obvious, but I think is interesting. You've heard something like: if someone says 2 + 2 = 5 they are wrong. But if they say 2 + 2 = 173, they are not wrong, they are playing by a completely different set of rules. Perhaps this would describe the liberals and conservatives, at least those who are engaged as opposed to tradition, etc...

Yes, very interesting, and one of the reasons for the deep, deep divide between people who ostensibly have so much in common. There's a particular example that won't quite come to mind right now, but I'll go jog my memory on the Google and be back shortly.

835 freetoken  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:40:44pm

re: #827 realwest

When what is shown on a video is the running stream of what is on the official podium of the event, by approved speakers (even featured speakers) of the event, I'm will to accept that as good evidence of what goes on at the event. Especially in where the video shows the crowd cheering (loudly) when, for example, someone starts talking about the "birth certificate".

Up near the top of this thread I wrote a little bit about the Composition Fallacy (see comment #4). What lincolntf is doing is the same thing that Lilyea did.

No where have I said all Tea Parties are sponsored by the Paulians/Birchers/etc. Nor that all people who show up at any given "party" is a member of such a group.

But the prevalence of the Paulians (and associates) at these events, in speaking at these events, and indeed in sponsoring these events, ought to be a warning sign.

836 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:42:16pm

re: #830 Floral Giraffe

I might need to copy and paste some of that job interview advice once the rejection letters stop rolling in.

/Might not have helped that I faxed 3 copies of the same application.

837 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:44:16pm

re: #831 realwest

re: #832 Dark_Falcon


G'nite!

838 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:45:03pm

re: #829 Fenway_Nation

Fenway, No one's denying that the Weathermen and the Weather Underground are left wing extremists who engaged in terrorism.

In fact, the progressive and lefties I linked up above call them exactly that.

(And both mention and condemn the Brinks murders in the strongest possible terms, as well as accuse Ayers of whitewashing his role in them)

839 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:23pm

re: #838 iceweasel

So why is it those on the right are supposed to apologize for actions they already consider abhorrent from 'their own' (at least accoring to the MSM, Homeland Security or the left) but the left gets to keep vile creatures like Ayers, Wright and Boudin at arm's length with a couple of denunciations no matter how perfunctory or sincere?

840 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:49:43pm

re: #833 MrPaulRevere

Do you remember the video that Beck made from his hospital bed last year, talking about suicide? He was incoherent and in pain and made a youtube video of himself, and then posted on his website; "Join me [Monday] for my NEW PERSPECTIVE ON LIFE, OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND BLOOD SHOOTING FROM PLACES BLOOD SHOULD NOT SHOOT OUT OF."

The video is still around but it's terrible to watch. Whatever you think about him you have to feel pity for him then. He's out of his head.

I think the guy has been unstable for a long time.

841 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:50:21pm

re: #824 Flyers1974

Found it...the quote from the presidential aide (circa 2004) about "we create our own reality":

...The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Well, he got one part right. We're all left to study what they did.

As harebrained as his spiel sounds in retrospect, I imagine it's easy to underestimate the almost evangelical attraction something like that has, when an articulate person is saying it to you, with zeal in their eye.

842 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:50:46pm

re: #836 Fenway_Nation

I might need to copy and paste some of that job interview advice once the rejection letters stop rolling in.

/Might not have helped that I faxed 3 copies of the same application.

Watch for ArmyWife & hit her up for advise. She's a union negotiator & VERY good. She'll give you some good tips.

843 astronmr20  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:50:57pm

re: #840 iceweasel

Do you remember the video that Beck made from his hospital bed last year, talking about suicide? He was incoherent and in pain and made a youtube video of himself, and then posted on his website; "Join me [Monday] for my NEW PERSPECTIVE ON LIFE, OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND BLOOD SHOOTING FROM PLACES BLOOD SHOULD NOT SHOOT OUT OF."

The video is still around but it's terrible to watch. Whatever you think about him you have to feel pity for him then. He's out of his head.

I think the guy has been unstable for a long time.

That was the moment I knew he was nuts. And that was after listening to him on the radio for years. It was horrible.

I think it's pretty simple; the guy is bi-polar and manic.

844 Billy Hank  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:52:44pm

re: #593 taxfreekiller

TFK - No. Just an attempt to play guilt by association.

BTW, Igloo White? When? I was at TFA 11/68-9/69

845 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:52:45pm

re: #801 MrPaulRevere

I don't listen to him anymore...and I happen to know Barry Manilow, as one of my cousins was married to his first cousin. He is a very friendly, very nice guy. I wonder if Beck is as charitable as Barry Manilow is. My cousin's kids are now adults, and he is more like an uncle to them still, than a cousin to this day.

Beck can get stuffed.

He grew up in a grotty part of Brooklyn, and after his parents divorced, his Mum zt"l worked so hard so that he could have an education. He was a wonderful son, and in the few times I saw him? He was as friendly and warm as could be.

/WTF does his sexuality have to do with the price of tea in China?

846 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:00pm

re: #833 MrPaulRevere

"Beck was born in Mount Vernon, Washington, and raised a Roman Catholic. His early life was pitted with tragedies; his mother and one of his brothers committed suicide"...Mental illness runs in the family evidently. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Suicide in your family history is tough. I hope he can survive his demons. Regardless of what he believes, or portrays in the media.

847 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:53:03pm

re: #839 Fenway_Nation

So why is it those on the right are supposed to apologize for actions they already consider abhorrent from 'their own' (at least accoring to the MSM, Homeland Security or the left) but the left gets to keep vile creatures like Ayers, Wright and Boudin at arm's length with a couple of denunciations no matter how perfunctory or sincere?

I think both sides have both a moral and pragmatic responsibility to weed out and condemn their extremists.

I hope you don't mean to suggest that 'the left' doesn't find its own extremists abhorrent; I've already posted a couple of examples that would disprove that.

Maybe you're asking a question about media bias and unfairness in the media, in which case all I can say is that the media sucks, and so does their bias. And their vapidity.

848 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:54:17pm

re: #750 ArchangelMichael

I don't want to speak for someone else but I get the feeling that "the left" who doesn't like Ayers that Iceweasel is talking about, is the non-rabid, non over-the-top kook liberals that we don't see or hear much of. I know they exist. I know some of them. They don't rant much on websites or go on TV or radio and say asinine things. I wish there was a few more of them.

Here's an example of a solid, upstanding Democrat who also goes to church regularly, considers himself a moderate in all things, and generally walks the walk of a decent American.

He's my father in law and he ranted to my husband on the phone for a good twenty minutes about how horrible it was for "Sarah Palin to bring up Obama's friendship with Bill Ayers and anyway Bill Ayers is an example of someone who can change his life for the better and become a college professor and blah blah blah".

Bill Ayers' friendship with Obama has netted him a sweet free pass on everything. You can't even criticize him without being thought a right-wing-nut crazy. And this is evidenced by a man who doesn't have a radical bone in his body.

Maybe I just haven't seen otherwise, but my experience has been that party-loyalist Democrats have given Ayers a free pass because, to even question him is to cast a shadow on Obama's star. And that is simply not an option with them.

849 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:54:27pm

re: #842 Floral Giraffe

Interesting....some of these are union positions I'm applying for.

Nifty benefits and all, but it bears repeating- I'd really resent any portion of my dues going to some photo-op of kos looking like he's some blue-collar John Q. Public; let alone dem candidates.

850 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:55:28pm

He's obviously unstable. Some may ask why I, as someone who identifies with the center right, would be so hard on Beck. 1) We need to police our own ranks and expel kooks. 2) We need better spokesmen.

851 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:56:29pm

re: #843 astronmr20

That was the moment I knew he was nuts. And that was after listening to him on the radio for years. It was horrible.

I think it's pretty simple; the guy is bi-polar and manic.

I agree. I didn't want to post the video because even though I never liked Beck--that video was the moment I knew we were more than 'entering the arena of the unwell' --as Withnail & I would put it -- we were deep in the territory of the insane.

bipolar and manic may be right. All I know is that I can't even find it funny to mock him-- someone has put together a video montage of all the moments recently where he bursts into tears on the air, and it just depresses and scares me and makes me feel bad for him.

In a sense Fox is paying him and encouraging him to be a madman. I don't think it's right.

852 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:56:55pm

re: #841 ShanghaiEd

Sorry, I omitted the link to the Ron Suskind article I quoted from.

853 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:57:36pm

re: #850 MrPaulRevere

He's obviously unstable. Some may ask why I, as someone who identifies with the center right, would be so hard on Beck. 1) We need to police our own ranks and expel kooks. 2) We need better spokesmen.

Absolutely. Beck does a disservice to real conservatives, and I think we need a strong conservative party-- a real one, not one beholden to the so-cons.

854 Sambo  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:58:05pm

re: #841 ShanghaiEd

You know, in one sense, his spiel may not be entirely harebrained. For me, it's evocative of the concept of an OODA loop, ala John Boyd, and "getting inside your opponent's decision cycle."

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

855 The Left  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 10:59:32pm

re: #841 ShanghaiEd

I remember that quote. Hair-raising.

856 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:00:33pm

re: #849 Fenway_Nation

Interesting....some of these are union positions I'm applying for.

Nifty benefits and all, but it bears repeating- I'd really resent any portion of my dues going to some photo-op of kos looking like he's some blue-collar John Q. Public; let alone dem candidates.

Watch for ArmyWife, she's good. Very good. You might even search for her posts & see what time of day, for you, she is on. To get in contact.

857 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:00:45pm

re: #845 NY Nana

I regret I have only 1 ding to give Nana. Slandering a man like Manilow on a national radio is a flat out disgrace.

858 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:03:20pm

re: #845 NY Nana

I just downloaded a Manilow song for my daughter. She heard Copacabana in a movie and demanded it. LOL. I was spirited back to the lovely 1970's with that one. It's fun to see the new generation discover these old novelties. She wanted a John Denver song, too. Boy, do I feel old. O_O

All this to say ... why is Beck bothered by Manilow's sexual preference? If Beck's not the one dating him, it really shouldn't affect him in any way. How strange.

859 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:03:28pm

re: #854 Sambo

You know, in one sense, his spiel may not be entirely harebrained. For me, it's evocative of the concept of an OODA loop, ala John Boyd, and "getting inside your opponent's decision cycle."

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

Yes! There's a grain of truth there. I was not familiar with Boyd's work, but it looks as if he was way ahead of his time. I'll have to track down more about him to read.

860 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:06:18pm

re: #848 kynna

Next time you talk to your father-in-law, be sure to ask him what Waverly Brown, Ed O'Grady Peter Page and Joseph Trombino would've thought about Ayers getting a free pass to a cushy life in Chicago's Hyde Park.

Don't even get me started on Ayers' foster-son Chesa Boudin.

861 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:06:29pm

re: #834 ShanghaiEd

Here is my thought: we indeed have much in common, or a better way of saying it is there are few things we don't have in common regarding personal lives, outside of class, urban/country, which is not necessarily a liberal/conservative thing, etc.... Politically, however, I think we have little in common, anymore. No value judgment here, just an observation: the liberals are for the status quo; the conservatives, at least libertarian-conservatives, want a dramatic departure from business as usual, i.e., taxes.

862 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:07:55pm

re: #858 kynna

My mom loved that guy. Manilow, that is, not Beck.

863 Sambo  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:08:24pm

re: #859 ShanghaiEd

For what it's worth, I recommend "Boyd, the Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War" by Robert Coram. It's a good (biographical) introduction to John Boyd.

Good night.

864 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:08:53pm

re: #862 Flyers1974


I'm lukewarm on either one.

865 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:10:24pm

re: #861 Flyers1974

The libertarian-conservatives and social conservatives, if they are libertarian in th eeconomic sense, are dynamic, the liberals, not so much.

866 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:11:15pm

re: #863 Sambo

Thanks. I'll look for Coram's book. Good night.

867 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:08pm

re: #864 Fenway_Nation

I'm with you there.

868 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:12:27pm

re: #862 Flyers1974

My mom loved that guy. Manilow, that is, not Beck.

Yeah, well, my mom loves Beck.

I tread lightly on that one. I got her to agree that ID has no business in science classrooms. Don't wanna push my luck.

869 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:14:32pm

re: #867 Flyers1974

I'm being charitable when I say 'lukewarm'....

870 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:14:53pm

Because this needs to be shared.
I'd like to credit the original posted, but I've forgotten.
Beautiful music.
I hope it soothes your soul.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

871 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:25pm

re: #865 Flyers1974

By dynamic, advocating profound change, again no value judgment. As opposed to the Republicans of our fathers, who wore conservative attire and wanted a slightly lower tax rate.

872 gmsc  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:15:29pm

re: #862 Flyers1974

My mom loved that guy. Manilow, that is, not Beck.

Youtube Video
873 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:01pm

re: #869 Fenway_Nation

I figured you were, me as well.

874 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:16:46pm

re: #850 MrPaulRevere

I should have added: (3 Quit obsessing over what the left says and do what is necessary, i.e. persuade undecided voters that your cause is just. You sure as hell won't do that by calling Barry Manilow gay or bitching about birth certificates.

875 kynna  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:17:11pm

re: #860 Fenway_Nation

Next time you talk to your father-in-law, be sure to ask him what Waverly Brown, Ed O'Grady Peter Page and Joseph Trombino would've thought about Ayers getting a free pass to a cushy life in Chicago's Hyde Park.

Don't even get me started on Ayers' foster-son Chesa Boudin.

I think he would just blink at me. It doesn't compute. Obama being in the equation just throws it all to chaos. Very strange. But, like I said, this is a man who is everything you want your neighbor to be. So strange.

876 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:17:28pm

re: #861 Flyers1974

Good point. In many respects, the roles (liberal/conservative) have been reversed. When did that happen, though? Seems to me that the GWB terms were about upending the status quo in some areas, but turning the status quo volume to 11 in others. What measuring stick can we use for "status quo," in this strange new territory we're seeing, politically?

Questions, questions.

877 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:18:00pm

re: #872 gmsc

Excellent. A lot of truth there.

878 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:20:30pm

re: #857 MrPaulRevere

Thanks...I would have been furious even if I did not know what a mensch Barry Manilow is, and how important family is. At my cousin's sons' Bar Mitzvot? He entered very quietly, through a side door...he did not to take any attention away from the Bar Mitzvah boy.

But I was livid when I saw what Beck had said, and IIRC, it was you who mentioned it. Thank you!

Beck is not fit to lick his boots. He is such a drama queen!

Got to make my first attempt to say good night! It is after 2 AM here, and pouring. The sound of the rain usually puts me to sleep in about 10 seconds for some reason!

G'nite, all Lizards! Sweet dreams!

879 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:23:44pm

You are quite welcome! G_d bless, I'm out too.

880 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:28:55pm

re: #876 ShanghaiEd

I'm not sure, perhaps talk radio and the internet have fostered a more libertarian GOP, economically speaking that is. Or was that a natural result of Reagan?

881 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:33:37pm

re: #858 kynna

Too true! And he also writes music, also, and was a graduate of Juilliard. He wrote a number of jingles for advertisements that were very popular, before he became famous.

He has given so much of himself. And the best part of his music is that you can actually understand the lyrics! ;)

Beck may be a 'celebrity', but that alone does not make him a good man. Celebrity can be very fleeting, and it seems that his 10 minutes of fame have already been used up. Barry Manilow? He has been famous for decades, and he revived his career so well after a spell of being out of style.

Hi, ho, hi, ho, it's off to sleep I go!

Again, g'nite, Lizards, sweet dreams!

882 koedo  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:35:47pm

I thought you handled this nicely, Charles and I back you up 100%. I don't always agree but it's clear to any and all who read this blog that you have deep respect for the military and vets.

883 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:43:01pm

Damn, way past my bedtime. I was trying to account for attitudes towards say Obama, although these attitudes by no means started with him. The attitudes seem different than my idea of how politics were in the 1970's etc..., just a game, nothing personal, kind of stuff. And my partial conclusion is that things such as the bailouts or stimulus - things that theoretically could have been implemented by Nixon, are unacceptable as a matter of principle by today's conservatives. Its a whole different ballgame. At least things aren't going to be boring. Way past my bedtime, goodnight anyone still here, see you, Ed.

884 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:43:16pm

re: #815 Killgore Trout

Like it or not, there are national organizers. One of which is is Eric Ocdom. He's a Paulian and helped one of the more prominent stalker sites register their domain. It's entirely possible that you local tea party is sponsored by Ron Paul, Glenn Beck and hosts speeches by anti-government militias. Get your local Tea Party to publicly denounce participation from White Nationalists. They will be the first, it might even be threadworthy.


You may feel the need to don a hair shirt but I assure you, I have no such need myself. I don't need to apologize for white nationalists, truthers, murderers or extremists. They don't speak for me and they don't speak for my town. It is petty, juvenile and downright nasty of you to suggest any conservative needs to preface their opinions by first explaining they're not a racist or extremist. SHAME ON YOU!

885 Flyers1974  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:43:57pm

re: #882 koedo

I thought you handled this nicely, Charles and I back you up 100%. I don't always agree but it's clear to any and all who read this blog that you have deep respect for the military and vets.

Bizarre accusations, they were.

886 Wendya  Wed, Jun 17, 2009 11:45:26pm

re: #822 realwest

Hi Wednya - well as I said, I'm not mobile enough to attend any of 'em (or even a rock concert) any more, but what I heard from friends - people I trust - was anger and outrage.
What was it if it was far more than just anger?

Anger, outrage and a lot of fear. We're already losing a couple of businesses a month. What the hell is going to happen to the small towns in America when we can no longer employ people and they no longer have a tax base?

887 ihateronpaul  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 2:57:46am

I am rather skeptical that a substantial amount of tea party protestors were "left wing"

888 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:17am

Mr. Lilyea,

For the record, I am a Vietnam veteran, with DD-214 to prove it. My father was a career Marine -- pre-WWII Old Corps, and I have his service records to prove it.

I have never seen Charles even remotely approach a negative attitude toward veterans, either as a group or toward an individual veteran simply because of his or her service.

I recall my reaction in reading the "Gunny" quote within Charles' post. I immediately took it to be Charles saying skeptically (perhaps a bit sarcastically), "Oh yeah?!" to the claim itself.

Hear that last loud and clear. I took Charles to be responding to the apparent fact that Bush HAD CLAIMED extensive and honorable combat service -- a claim which was pertinent by being ludicrous in light of Bush's alleged crimes.

You, sir, are off-base.

/signed
pre-Boomer Marine brat

889 Scorch  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:41:35am

I think Lilyea probably was offended by the DHS report earlier which specifically singled out veterans as possible recruits for extremists groups and said nothing about the butcher, baker and candle stick maker who are just as recruit able if their heads are not wired quite right. Lot of veterans in this forum were posting about this as being an insult as did I. As a matter of fact I was down dinged by Charles for just asking the question in later threads about the abortion doctor killing and the holocaust museum killer if any of these people were military trained after Charles had stated the DHS reports were vindicated. Love LGF but Charles you do tend to rear back on your haunches sometimes and denigrate some peoples opinions.

890 elcaro  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:02:11am

I think this forum was too quick to justify its stance on the DHS report... The real crime of the DHS report was linking the word "terrorist" to right-wing extremists inside the United States, but choosing different language to describe foreign-based fanatics.

891 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:40:30am
892 Jonn Lilyea  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:41:03am

Charles and I had a nice email exchange before he wrote this post about us last night. I concede that he’s always been a big supporter of the military, until the DHS report came out.

As it’s been pointed out in the comments by some of my regulars, veterans are a touchy bunch because of the way we’ve been treated since Vietnam. If you were a veteran and lived with the Hollywood stereotype for the last few decades, you’d understand why I reacted as I have in this discussion.

I still don’t know why Charles would highlight the quote about JE Bush’s military service, despite his disclaimer, unless it was to seek validation for Charles’ repudiation of veterans’ claims against the DHS report.

To the Lizards; Calling us whiners doesn’t endear you to us, by the way. In fact, I took down links to LGF on my blog after reading Kilgore Trout’s comment about us being whiners in the initial DHS report thread. I’m sure I didn’t put a dent LGF’s traffic by doing that, but that’s how I roll.

Charles got me a lot of recognition when I first started blogging and I’ll always be grateful for that (in fact, he was the first blog to link to me) - but I don’t have to slavishly adhere to every thought and opinion of Charles Johnson because of it. I’m sure Charles would agree. Especially when the discussion is about the things that fall within the realm of my expertise.

893 kaymad  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:54:24am

Obviously the next step is to get the guys voter registration card. Surely there must be some way to pin the term "rightwing extremest" on him..

894 soccerdad  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:02:16am

charles...no worries. this vet knows that this site is quite vet friendly.

895 cgn38navy  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:20:25am

Unfortunately when vets do go bad, they tend to be more effective and competent because of their training. We've had some ex-special forces guys get caught up in everything from drug running to arms smuggling here on the east coast. Osama Bin Laden was (I think he's dead, too, Charles) a vet if want to get technical.

896 elcaro  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:32:15am

Curious what Jimmah found bad about my post.... I guess he thinks it's okay for our politicians and bureaucrats to use the word "terrorism" only when referring to the "homegrown" variety. I think if it referred to "political extremism" instead of specifying "right-wing", used languaged consistent with its foreign-based policy against terrorism, and released this document at a time before or after the "tea-party" hooplah, then there wouldn't have been such controversy.

Many on this site embraced the document in an attempt to hastily separate themselves from all right-wingers. It's not fashionable here... Right-wingers are automatically stupid-creationists who lost the last election! Thank heavens the intellectuals on this site are here to point out all the tin foil hats in the crowd! Really, I like the site and only post when I disagree (which isn't often). It just strikes me as funny when I see such economic upheaval and big news all over, and this site appears to so pre-occuppied with fringe elements who happen to call themselves "right-wing" or "conservative". It doesn't really matter if they truly are living up to conservative ideals, but it matters what blogs they read and what insidious things they posted!

I think the thing that most annoyed me on this site regarding this whole topic was that within an hour and a few seconds after posting the crime at the Holocaust Museum, updates to the same post were made linking the shooter to Ron Paul & Nirthers, and proclaiming the DHS report had been "vindicated". Not very classy... Couldn't it have waited a couple days... couple hours even? Whatever... it's just one man's opinion.

897 Jonn Lilyea  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:38:31am

re: #895 cgn38navy

Nice. Thanks - my service is certainly equal to that of Osama bin Laden. What could a veteran possibly see wrong in that statement, f'Pete's sake.

898 BohicaTwentyTwo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:02:11am

re: #895 cgn38navy

What about when cops go bad? Aren't dirty cops also a significant threat due to their weapons and law enforcement training? Shouldn't the DHS report have mentioned "disgtruntled law enforcement officers" as well as disgruntled military veterans? How about disgruntled security guards or disgruntled hunters or anyone else who has firearms experience and is "disgruntled?" What makes military veterans such as myself more susceptible to extremist radicalization and recruitment?

899 gman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:18:46am

re: #898 BohicaTwentyTwo

What about when cops go bad? Aren't dirty cops also a significant threat due to their weapons and law enforcement training? Shouldn't the DHS report have mentioned "disgtruntled law enforcement officers" as well as disgruntled military veterans? How about disgruntled security guards or disgruntled hunters or anyone else who has firearms experience and is "disgruntled?" What makes military veterans such as myself more susceptible to extremist radicalization and recruitment?


The DHS report qualifies it's remarks by saying "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks." So, it's the frustrations of reintegration that could lead to potential problems not the weapons training per se. The frustrations of reintegration from military life back to civilian life are well known and the military has been providing classes to help with that process for decades.

900 cgn38navy  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:28:21am

I'm a vet, btw. I agree about the cops. I didn't read the DHS report, but I think it's kind of a no brainer that people with military training will be more effective at carrying out terrorist actions than those without. I don't believe that they are any more likely to be recruited, however, if they are, they will probably be a lot more competent than your average slacker, hippy, stoner, radical. So at a practical level, who should we be concerned about?

901 LeonidasOfSparta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:08:15am

I realize that this thread is closed. But reading comments # 898 and 900 I am moved to speak my humble opinion on this issue and the DHS report:

IMHO only, the DHS report by Napolitano singles out the military veterans for ONE reason only-- veterans swear to uphold and defend our great nation, our liberty, our freedoms, our constitution.

To Janet Napolitano (and those of her mindset) THAT makes them "likely" to be recruited by wacko-groups to defend our nation from the massive destruction of freedoms being enacted by the many "czars" Obama has instated (czars not elected but appointed by the Big Zero and paid for by taxpayers, lest we forget.)

I think our military vets have MORE SENSE THAN THAT. It might be nice, once in awhile, for conservatives and independents to acknowledge this.

I believe that DHS wants to set the "stage" through this report for going after patriotic individuals by grouping them, labeling them, creating plausible problems that these labeled groups might cause, by telling us who might "join" or be recruited by such groups, and then making them into an enemy-- real or imagined.

So far as I can see the individuals who have 1) shot the military recruiter (a hatefilled Muslim jihadist); and 2) the man named Bush who killed the father and daughter (an individual wacko) do not fall under any "group" label-- they acted individually. They do not JUSTIFY the whole DHS 'theory' of vigilante ex-military rightwing extremists. Nothing.

The only place that sort of connection exists is in the minds of a few who will do anything to PIN the blame and the label of "right wing extremist" on anything that moves.

902 kaymad  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:11:46am

re: #900 cgn38navy

But why do the returning vets have to be right-wing? Are all military conservative, right wing republicans?

I've pointed this out before, but near my hometown a conservation officer stumbled across a barn owned by a young Iraqi war vet. It was full of people from all over the country, they had stockpiles of weapons, some had been stolen from the military. It was also full of 9-11 truther literature as well as video of muslim extremists. What catagory would they fall under I wonder? Right Wing, left wing or the nutty wing with the worst elements of both extremes. Yet if a crime had been committed by this group, by virtue of his military service alone, the man would have been labeled a right wing extremest.

903 BohicaTwentyTwo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:33:06am

re: #899 gman

Soldiers having reintegration problems may have problems at home or at work. They may become depressed or suffer from PTSD. Some may become alcoholic or sadly commit suicide. These are the problems they may face. Soldiers do not go off to war and come back Nazis! The only example DHS could cite of this happening was Timothy McVeigh, who used his Bradley gunner experience to build a fertilizer bomb and blow up a day care center. McVeigh was not radicalized by his military experience or his failure to reintergrate into civilian life. He was a crazy loner before, during and after his stint in the military. This is why vets found the DHS report so insulting.

904 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #696 Jimmah

Well it was fun being part of the 'SpaceJesus away team' but I gotta hit the sack now. Night all:)

haha, you were 'spacejesus's friend?' I've been at work and just barely checked the thread over there. they went bat shit nuts apparently. bunch of people are pretending to be spacejesus over there and talking about dildos and jane fonda etc.

905 doubter4444  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:36:46am

re: #746 Flyers1974

If lefties and Democrats are the same thing, I'd beg to differ that we love Bill Ayers. I'm reasonably aware of what's going on politically, and I never heard of Ayers until this last year. He seems like a different generation, to be honest.

I'm from that generation and reasonably informed and I had either never heard of him or forgot if I did till he was resurrected by the right during the campaign.
So please, please realize the recurring meme that he is the LEFT's prince or something is really misguided, and that's why it just does not work.

One can shout into the wind all one likes, but the average person (and that includes 90+% percent of Democrats and "leftists") don't give a rats ass about Bill Ayers and see it as a diversion.

A diversion from what's important to fix the country.
Another of a long line of diversions: Rev Wright, A Pig with Lipstick, Birth Certificates, Madrassas, Socialist Guys Who Drank Beer on his Porch, renaming the Democrats "Socialists" and so on.

It really seems that every bleeding week it's another "OUTRAGE" that comes from the right about those mean, mean liberals.
The latest is the Letterman flap.
HotAir and The Corner and other sites are impossible to read with the pity parties going on there, and the anger that no one takes all these terrible things seriously!

If you really think that everything they print and say is as important as they say, then you are besieged, and that will lead into worrysome activities or condoning actions that are beyond the pale.
It would be terrible to see people who feel that way start to act out on their own, taking mattering into their own hands....
Oh wait.

I'm going to give a preemptive response to those who don't think before they write and who will say that all this is real, and important:
It's not.
This country is stronger than you.
Stronger then the crazies who want to take matters into their own hands.
Stronger than the rabble rouser's who think that America is morally sick and needs to be cleansed.
Stronger than the idiots who want it to fail from either side.
Stronger than the any one man, President, Vice, or Clergy.

We need a positive message, one that resonates because of it's simple truth and honesty. One that tries to figure out the world the way it is, not the way we'd like it to be, or that we thought it used to be.
We need leadership that understands that there is a different way of doing things and offers concrete ideas for the future.
That's what I want to hear, alternatives to what is happening, not DON'T!; I want to hear DO THIS!

906 gman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:40:37am

re: #903 BohicaTwentyTwo


The DHS Assessment specifically mentions a "small percentage" of veterans are involved in these activities:

The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist
groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

Please read the assessment over again and I think you'll agree that it is not generalizing to mean all veterans are suspect or that all veterans are prone to extremist activity.

907 Lynn B.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:45:01am

re: #889 Scorch

BTW, Charles did not "backpedal" on anything, as you accused him of doing in your post #85 over at TAH.


Charles did back pedal on the accusations of vets being described in the DHS report


He's been completely consistent on this issue from day 1.

908 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:00:59am

Thanks

909 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:29:08am

re: #907 Lynn B.

BTW, Charles did not "backpedal" on anything, as you accused him of doing in your post #85 over at TAH.


He's been completely consistent on this issue from day 1.

Absolutely right -- I did not "backpedal" on anything. But then, I actually read the DHS report, and I suspect many (if not most) of the people complaining about it didn't. They're getting their misdirected outrage from distorted accounts on blogs and right-wing radio.

910 BohicaTwentyTwo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:36:24am

re: #906 gman

If by "small percentage" you mean one guy , then...wait, you know what, I still don't agree with with the DHS report. Its much more likely, that it was McVeigh's extremism that caused him to be disgruntled with the military, not his military service that caused him to become an extremist.

Veterans who are "disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war" do not become right wing extremists, they become Democrat senators from Massachusetts.

911 Land Shark  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 1:33:46pm

Charles, as far as I'm concerned, you don't have to explain anything to this veteran. You've been a consistent supporter of the armed forces and of those of us who served. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

Veterans are like any other segment of society, there's always going to be a few nut jobs and deranged individuals. That's just how it is.

912 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:23:21pm

re: #904 spacejesus

haha, you were 'spacejesus's friend?' I've been at work and just barely checked the thread over there. they went bat shit nuts apparently. bunch of people are pretending to be spacejesus over there and talking about dildos and jane fonda etc.

I am the disciple of spacejesus, in point of fact :)

You should see some of the crazy statements there now. One of them is going to 'come after you' if you ever threaten the south...LOL

913 Scorch  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:40:14pm

re: #907 Lynn B.

re: #909 Charles

LynB why did you not post the whole post I made in the thread in TAH. No answer needed we both know why?

Charles why did you post information saying Bush was a winner of the bronze, silver and purple heart along with a presidential citation from a Minute Man website when all it took was five minutes of my time from reading articles on the man that he was never in the military? Charles I complimented you and your forum on TAH but I know you will also not post the whole post I made in TAH. I have no preference of any blog but sheesh your really barking up the wrong tree along with your usual down dingers.

914 Scorch  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:47:14pm

Oh and by the way the only blog I have ever read in my life is LGF and right wing talk shows are not on my agenda along with any other talk show and reading of the DHS report was something I did do only problem is when they targeted veterans as possible threats is where I drew my line in the sand. Salute fellow vets and god bless you and our great nation.

915 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:52:12pm

re: #913 Scorch

re: #909 Charles

Charles why did you post information saying Bush was a winner of the bronze, silver and purple heart along with a presidential citation from a Minute Man website when all it took was five minutes of my time from reading articles on the man that he was never in the military?

Is it really difficult to understand that I made a very explicit point that none of those claims had been confirmed?

I did NOT "post information saying Bush was a winner of the bronze, silver and purple heart" -- I said that information had been posted at the Minutemen for American Defense website, and I made it clear that it was questionable.

Are you deliberately trying to miss the point?

916 Scorch  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:08:33pm

re: #915 Charles
Charles you always demand confirmation of some kind from anyone who posts information in your blog. Why did you drop the ball on this in your own post? I do not know if your ex military or not but just the use of the term "Gunny" which is a Marine term, by someone who says they were in SF is absurd.
I will ask again why do you not post my posting in TAH? Are you deliberately trying to misrepresent my position?

917 Ty85719  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:54:52pm

I wish I could say I care about this story, but I do not - not until the 45 American Citizens who are killed every day at the hands of illegal aliens are fully recognized!


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