PETA Outraged at Presidential Fly Execution

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Weird • Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 2:58 pm PDT • Views: 285

The “Obama the fly-killer” story struck me as so mind-numbingly trivial that I wasn’t really interested in it — but now with PETA in the mix, it tips over into theater of the absurd: PETA miffed at President Obama’s fly execution.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, calling it an “execution,” wants the commander-in-chief to show a little more compassion to even “the least sympathetic animals.”

“Believe it or not, we’ve actually been contacted by multiple media outlets wanting to know PETA’s official response to the executive insect execution,” a blog on the group’s website explained. “In a nutshell, our position is this: He isn’t the Buddha, he’s a human being, and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.”

The group has sent Obama a device that traps a fly so it can then be released outside.

UPDATE at 6/18/09 3:09:14 pm:

Here’s the device the President will be using from now on when a fly gets in the White House: Katcha Bug™ Humane Bug Catcher.

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1 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 2:58:55pm

Oh what a fun thread this shall be.

2 JCM  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 2:59:48pm

IMPEACH!

Illegal Insecticide!

3 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:00:07pm

I think you all are missing the point. The fly is a metaphor for Israel.
/

4 Zzyzx  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:00:18pm

re: #1 unrealizedviewpoint

Oh what a fun thread this shall be.

Yes, it will be a well thought out and peaceful thread.

/who's got the popcorn?

5 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:00:37pm

Oh for PETA to be a fly on the wall...

6 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:00:43pm

/and let that be a lesson to you all!

7 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:00:46pm

Ban all fly swatters.
///

8 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:00:54pm

Has anyone looked into this story? PETA is crazy and stupid but it just sounds like a hoax or something a stupid reporter found on a parody site.

9 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:01:14pm

So PETA still taking animals from shelters, killing them and dumping them in supermarket dumpsters in the middle of the night?

10 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:01:42pm

I had no idea flies were animals.

11 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:01:52pm
The group has sent Obama a device that traps a fly so it can then be released outside.

Perhaps the French can invent something that simply frightens the flies away. They could call it the Scare-a-Mouche. Scare-a-Mouche! Will you do the fandango?

12 JCM  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:01:59pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Has anyone looked into this story? PETA is crazy and stupid but it just sounds like a hoax or something a stupid reporter found on a parody site.

Youtube Video
13 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:02:19pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Has anyone looked into this story? PETA is crazy and stupid but it just sounds like a hoax or something a stupid reporter found on a parody site.

I heard it on NPR this morning, FWIW.

14 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:02:22pm

I will never show mercy to mosquitos.

15 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:02:24pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Has anyone looked into this story? PETA is crazy and stupid but it just sounds like a hoax or something a stupid reporter found on a parody site.

KT ... well, they advertise this on their website ...

[Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

16 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:02:51pm

Q. What's the most popular food at the Gaza shouk?

A. Fly Mignon.

Q. Why is it forbidden to kill a fly in Palestine?

A. It's the National Bird

17 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:02:53pm

Was the fly read his Miranda rights?
/ did I even have to?

18 Darth_K  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:03:01pm

Can PETA be any dumber? Next thing you know they'll complain that when we take showers we're killing innocent bacteria.

19 SummerSong  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:03:08pm

I thought they determined that he wasn't Buddha and were moving on.

Guess not.

20 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:03:28pm

Executive insect execution is almost funnier than sea kittens.

21 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:03:48pm

re: #17 DEZes

Was the fly read his Miranda rights?
/ did I even have to?

What Language do flies speak?

22 JCM  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:04:00pm

PETA is outraged.

Sea Kittenmonger throws dead sea kittens.

23 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:04:06pm

re: #14 Sharmuta

I found a new refrain for every time I nail a mosquito or fly-

"Beat that, 0bama!"

24 charles_martel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:04:08pm

I simply can't believe that PETA really wants to make themselves that irrelevant...

25 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:04:28pm

BREAKING NEWS:

Obama swats fruit fly; prompts angry reaction from "Human Rights Campaign"

26 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:04:42pm

Have to give them credit for consistency.

27 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:04:48pm

re: #20 snowcrash

Executive insect execution is almost funnier than sea kittens.

The sea kittens crossed my mind too.
Flys are hover kitties. ;)

28 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:05:05pm
29 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:05:11pm

I hope PETA doesn't get wind of my ant-killing spree.

30 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:05:13pm

re: #21 Nevergiveup

What Language do flies speak?

I don't know what they speak, but I do know what they eat...

31 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:05:22pm

re: #21 Nevergiveup

What Language do flies speak?

BUzzz.

32 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:05:52pm

Story checks out...
Obama and the Fly, Part Deux

Because we've heard from so many people who want to know more about PETA's position on "Flygate," we've decided to explore the question of "to bee or not to bee" in a bit more depth.

As we all know, human beings often don't think before they act. We don't condemn President Obama for acting on instinct. When the media began contacting us in droves for a statement, we obliged, simply by saying that the president isn't the Buddha and shouldn't be expected to do everything right—if not for that, we would not have brought it up. It's the media who are making a big deal about the fly swat—not PETA. However, we took the opportunity, when asked, to point out that we do offer lots of ways in which to control insects of all kinds without harming them, including the humane bug catcher we sent President Obama. There is even a chapter in PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's book Making Kind Choices about how to rid your home of "uninvited guests."

33 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:06:04pm

re: #29 OldLineTexan

I hope PETA doesn't get wind of my ant-killing spree.

We never should have given you that magnifying glass.

34 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:06:18pm

re: #25 Occasional Reader

BREAKING NEWS:

Obama swats fruit fly

The Gay activists will be all over that.

35 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:06:37pm

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

Anyone remember the Kliban cartoon in the old National Lampoon, where a fellow sitting at a restaurant table across from a gigantic fly orders a magnificent dinner, then tells the waiter, "...and a plate of shit for my fly."?

Why yes, yes I do.

36 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:06:38pm

"It's like cleanin' the Augean Stables, man." - Joe Biden

37 spare o'lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:06:41pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Has anyone looked into this story? PETA is crazy and stupid but it just sounds like a hoax or something a stupid reporter found on a parody site.

If they turn out to be conservatives I'm gonna be really pissed off.

38 Buster  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:06:50pm

re: #9 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

So PETA still taking animals from shelters, killing them and dumping them in supermarket dumpsters in the middle of the night?

Yes... but those animals were destined to die anyway! The poor fly was enjoying it's natural habitat.

39 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:06:51pm

Flies just have a poor image. We should rename them mini-winged kittehs.

40 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:06:58pm

re: #33 Occasional Reader

We never should have given you that magnifying glass.

It's because I remind you of God in these robes, isn't it?

/

41 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:02pm

re: #34 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The Gay activists will be all over that.

Er... yeah, see, that was my, um, joke...

42 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:02pm
The group has sent Obama a device that traps a fly so it can then be released outside.

I suppose PETA prefers all Americans utilize such devices to trap then release? Where do I get mine?

43 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:04pm

re: #29 OldLineTexan
Using Amdro?

44 Orangutan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:09pm

I wonder what ABC will have to say about this story.

45 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:14pm

I wonder how many of these PETA people are vegetable eaters. Do you know that baby carrots have less room to move around than Veal? And that they actually cry when brutally ripped from the ground as they are torn away from their mothers? This must end!

46 JCM  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:15pm

re: #29 OldLineTexan

I hope PETA doesn't get wind of my ant-killing spree.

Shh, but I've been engaging in chemical warfare on Tent Caterpillars in my trees.

47 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:27pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

OK...the president swatting a fly gets its own '-gate' scandal?

Can the MSM officially retire anything using the '-gate' suffix already?

48 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:48pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Flies just have a poor image. We should rename them mini-winged kittehs.

And mosquitoes can be moskittehs

49 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:59pm

re: #44 Orangutan

Flies need better healthcare coverage?

50 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:07:59pm

I thought it would be an Iowahawk piece. the Onion?
no, its really really real!

51 JCM  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:08:10pm

re: #40 OldLineTexan

It's because I remind you of God in these robes, isn't it?

/

Jeesh, the least you could is keep it tied...

52 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:08:16pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Flies just have a poor image. We should rename them mini-winged kittehs.

See 27.
GMtA. ;)

53 kynna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:08:18pm

re: #16 Alouette

Q. What's the most popular food at the Gaza shouk?

A. Fly Mignon.

Q. Why is it forbidden to kill a fly in Palestine?

A. It's the National Bird

There's that conservative sense of humor! LOL. ;D

54 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:08:30pm

re: #43 snowcrash

Using Amdro?

Sugar ants, or whatever they were. Terro goo on bits of cardboard. Nailed them in one night after a week of battle.

55 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:08:42pm

re: #47 Fenway_Nation

Can the MSM officially retire anything using the '-gate' suffix already?


Are you trying to silence conspiracies? Gategate!

56 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:08:57pm

re: #48 OldLineTexan

And mosquitoes can be moskittehs

I will never show them mercy. Never!

57 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:02pm

Idjits.

An execution takes place after a trial.

There was no trial.

He murdered that pore fly.

58 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:09pm

In that video, did I hear them clapping in the background?

59 Orangutan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:12pm

re: #38 Buster

Yes... but those animals were destined to die anyway! The poor fly was enjoying its natural habitat.

Don't they often fly around carrion, dung, etc.?

60 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:18pm

re: #2 JCM

IMPEACH!

Illegal Insecticide!

organic insecticide

61 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:29pm

Has anyone solicited Jeff Goldblum's opinion?

/wait for it... it'll really happen... hell, they asked Michael Douglas how to fix Wall Street, didn't they?

62 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:40pm

Peta needs to live in a swarm of malaria filled Skeeters...

63 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:50pm

Here's that no-kill fly trap: the PETA Katcha Bug from their catalog:

[Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

64 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:53pm

re: #41 Occasional Reader

Er... yeah, see, that was my, um, joke...

Sorry, but Capt Oblivious here pays heed to no comment.

65 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:55pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Has anyone solicited Jeff Goldblum's opinion?

/wait for it... it'll really happen... hell, they asked Michael Douglas how to fix Wall Street, didn't they?

Life finds a way?

66 horse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:09:57pm
"... human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.”

I would disagree. I believe he thought "This fking fly is annoying the hell out of me, I want it gone ASAP." He then acted upon those thoughts. They were probably the same thoughts he had about that inspector general guy...

67 spare o'lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:06pm

re: #48 OldLineTexan

And mosquitoes can be moskittehs

LOL.
Oy vay, it's a miskitteh...kill him!

68 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:19pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

No- but the defense secretary is-

so that makes it Gatesgategate.

69 kynna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:42pm

Personally, I'm outraged that the fly snuff film was more popular than "Land of the Lost".

But I'm absolutely tickled pink that our president is just like a ninja with the reflexes of a cat. Squeee!

/channeling MSM

70 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:47pm

Come on!
What's the life span of a fly?
He was allready on his way out!

71 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:51pm

Same PETA that was founded by Ingrid Newkirk? Hypocrisy is the understatement of the century.

72 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:52pm

re: #57 razorbacker

Tachinid Disenfranchisement

73 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:52pm
74 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:55pm

re: #51 JCM

Jeesh, the least you could is keep it tied...

See now, if I was gclaghorn that wouldn't be a problem.

/beating running jokes to death since 1979

75 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:10:57pm

re: #42 unrealizedviewpoint

I suppose PETA prefers all Americans utilize such devices to trap then release? Where do I get mine?

How about we all trap flies, put them in plastic jars, and mail them to PETA to release?

76 JCM  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:11pm

re: #63 Charles

Here's that no-kill fly trap: the PETA Katcha Bug from their catalog:

[Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

Do we mail the full ones back to PETA?

77 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:12pm

re: #29 OldLineTexan

I hope PETA doesn't get wind of my ant-killing spree.

Obama's on firmer ground there. He threw his grandma under the bus, but never his ant.

78 Ziggy  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:13pm

comic relief, I needed that.

79 MJ  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:15pm

Ask not what the fly can do for you--ask what you can do to the fly.

80 kynna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:19pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

I will never show them mercy. Never!

Hater!

81 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:26pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Has anyone looked into this story? PETA is crazy and stupid but it just sounds like a hoax or something a stupid reporter found on a parody site.

you're right. it did come from reuters after all.

82 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:36pm

re: #70 reloadingisnotahobby

Come on!
What's the life span of a fly?
He was allready on his way out!

If time is relative then we all are aren't we?
/

83 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:37pm

re: #67 spare o'lake

LOL.
Oy vay, it's a miskitteh...kill him!

That buzzing sound is just the fly purring.

84 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:11:38pm

re: #63 Charles

Here's that no-kill fly trap: the PETA Katcha Bug from their catalog:

[Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

Why do I envision the telephone operators taking orders for anything in the PETA catalog as having even less to do than the Maytag Repairman?

85 Buster  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:12:08pm

re: #59 Orangutan

Don't they often fly around carrion, dung, etc.?

Carrion kittens! or Politician kittens!

86 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:12:09pm

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

in the kind of vermin-infested squalor (rodents, insects, lizards

HEY!

87 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:12:11pm

re: #63 Charles

Here's that no-kill fly trap: the PETA Katcha Bug from their catalog:

[Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

Is it fire, water, and or electrical resistant?

88 JCM  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:12:17pm

re: #74 OldLineTexan

See now, if I was gclaghorn that wouldn't be a problem.

/beating running jokes to death since 1979

Call horse meat tenderizing.


Gotta run...

89 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:12:18pm

I kill bugs in my house. They don't belong in here. They have the rest of the planet. I don't kill spiders though. Those I do catch and release outside due to a Native superstition I heard as a child. Silly, maybe, but they also catch and kill other bugs for me, so I see them as an ally. So long as I don't see them, they can stay.

Maybe I'll make a PETA watch list now.

90 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:12:30pm

re: #63 Charles

Here's that no-kill fly trap: the PETA Katcha Bug from their catalog:

[Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

That really looks like something that belongs on the pr0n thread.

91 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:12:30pm

re: #44 Orangutan

I wonder what ABC will have to say about this story.

I hope the fly had health insurance?

92 Macker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:13:21pm

You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding. Me. Right. Charles?

93 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:13:24pm

re: #77 Occasional Reader

Obama's on firmer ground there. He threw his grandma under the bus, but never his ant.

I bet he pronounces it "awnt".

/durn college boy

/

94 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:13:25pm

re: #89 Sharmuta
Maybe!
But your on ours!
/

95 nikis-knight  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:13:41pm

Thus proving their utter irrelevancy to any rational person. Again.

96 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:13:49pm

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, you are reading my damn mind.

When I saw this thread, I got the image of the "leetle goil" commericals.

97 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:13:55pm

PETA's sense of humor is about as good as the GOP's.

98 ihateronpaul  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:14:02pm

PETA is a huge joke. Almost everyone I know into animal rights has no time for them.

99 Dianna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #91 Nevergiveup

I hope the fly had health insurance?

Survivors' benefits!

100 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:14:05pm

Centipedes kill spiders, so they also get no mercy.

101 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:14:19pm

re: #91 Nevergiveup

I hope the fly had health insurance?

Life insurance would have been more necessary, at that point.

102 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:14:41pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Story checks out...
Obama and the Fly, Part Deux

are shotguns a no-no?

103 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:14:42pm

Is PETA going to be holding a memorial service?

104 kynna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:14:57pm

re: #89 Sharmuta

I kill bugs in my house. They don't belong in here. They have the rest of the planet. I don't kill spiders though. Those I do catch and release outside due to a Native superstition I heard as a child. Silly, maybe, but they also catch and kill other bugs for me, so I see them as an ally. So long as I don't see them, they can stay.

Maybe I'll make a PETA watch list now.

I don't kill bugs outside unless they're just in the wrong place. Like the wasp nest in my mailbox. Sorry. But inside ... even spiders aren't welcome. Yech!

105 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:15:03pm

LOL, The PETA site has links so you can email companies telling them to quit selling certain items.

I'm going to email them all thanking them for selling convenient devices for modern living and to ignore hypocrits like PETA.

106 Dianna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:15:20pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

Is PETA going to be holding a memorial service?

I want a crack at writing the eulogy!

107 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:15:21pm
108 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:15:41pm

re: #106 Dianna

I want a crack at writing the eulogy!

Write one and send it to The Onion.

109 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:15:42pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

Centipedes kill spiders, so they also get no mercy.

I

HATES.

CENTIPEDES!

[shudder]

110 Dianna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:15:44pm

re: #106 Dianna

I want a crack at writing the eulogy!

Actually, cancel that. I want buzz to write the eulogy.

111 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:15:47pm
112 nikis-knight  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:15:50pm
UPDATE at 6/18/09 3:09:14 pm:

Here’s the device the President will be using from now on when a fly gets in the White House: Katcha Bug™ Humane Bug Catcher.

What? No, you're joking, right? Please tell me Obama can stand up to the likes of PETA?

113 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:03pm

I am a member of PETA.
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals.

I have the waistline to prove it.

114 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:03pm

Here's a nice reasonable PETA mousetrap, better than glue [Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

115 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:04pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

I will never show them mercy. Never!

you probably don't like fleas either
you are a bloodsuckingbugaphobe

116 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:06pm

re: #106 Dianna

I want a crack at writing the eulogy!

I know an old woman who swallowed a fly ... SHE SHOULD DIE! DIE! DIE!

/

117 callahan23  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:18pm
PETA ... wants the commander-in-chief to show a little more compassion to even “the least sympathetic animals.”

And it'll stay that way to me for ever. The following is from a healthcare poster-ad in Ethiopia to emphasize the need to cover ones food:

This is what happens when a fly lands on your food.

Flies can’t eat solid food, so to soften it up they vomit on it.
Then they stamp the vomit in until it’s a liquid, usually stamping in
a few germs for good measure.
Then when it’s good and runny they suck it all back again, probably
dropping some excrement at the same time.
And then, when they’ve finished eating, it’s your turn.

Cover eating and drinking utensils.
Cover food. Cover dustbins.

Even more than flies (who are a real nuissance) I hate mosquitoes as they gave me the malaria.

118 Obsidiandog  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:24pm

Obviously left-wing extremists...it seems they are so often ignored these days.

119 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:24pm

re: #111 buzzsawmonkey

Like that vid of the hippies weeping over a tree stump?

Where is The Onion? This is a story made for them.

120 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:33pm

re: #101 doppelganglander

Life insurance would have been more necessary, at that point.

The insurance company is disputing the claim, they may not get shit.

121 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:54pm

re: #107 buzzsawmonkey

I have "Humane Roach Trap" written on my shoe sole.

TROMP!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ARCHY?!

122 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:54pm

re: #111 buzzsawmonkey

Like that vid of the hippies weeping over a tree stump?

Well, they cut they tree down below the knothole ... aw, nevermind.

123 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:57pm

re: #85 Buster

Carrion kittens! or Politician kittens!


Carrion kittens is hilarious.

124 Macker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:16:59pm

Looks like the Presidency has already aged him...

125 opnion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:01pm

I'll just betthat this is the tip of the iceberg & Obama becomes a serial fly killer.

126 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:17pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

The Oinion is waving the white-flag on this one. Even they can't come up with something this insipid and pass it off as plausable.

127 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:20pm

I guess he couldn't hear the fly crying, "Help me!"

128 DeliLama  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:24pm

Don'r worry PETA, we're busy making more

129 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:27pm

I used to have an environmentally friendly pest control device. It was called a cat.

130 charles_martel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:35pm

PETA = People Everyone Thinks are Asshats.

131 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:41pm
132 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:42pm

re: #104 kynna

I don't kill bugs outside unless they're just in the wrong place. Like the wasp nest in my mailbox. Sorry. But inside ... even spiders aren't welcome. Yech!

I give em a verbal warning before I execute them.

133 Dianna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:17:49pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Where is The Onion? This is a story made for them.

There's nothing left to say. It's gone beyond parody into abstruse realms of lunacy.

134 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:18:16pm

May I suggest we use the PETA traps to capture as many of `Natures smallest animals` and box them up and send them to PETA for proper treatment? (maybe I can just buy a million cockroaches and send them directly).

135 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:18:16pm

re: #114 unrealizedviewpoint

Here's a nice reasonable PETA mousetrap, better than glue [Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

Use cat, is circle of life thing.

/

136 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:18:47pm

Alas- poor house fly, we hardly knew ye. But your death shall not be in vain.

137 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:18:54pm
Well, John the Baptist after torturing a thief
Looks up at his hero the Commander-in-Chief
Saying, "Tell me great hero, but please make it brief
Is there a hole for me to get sick in?"

The Commander-in-Chief answers him while chasing a fly
Saying, "Death to all those who would whimper and cry"
And dropping a bar bell he points to the sky
Saying, "The sun's not yellow it's chicken"

Bob Dylan, Tombstone Blues

Youtube Video
138 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:19:00pm

I think all PETA members should be gifted a box of maggots to, ya know, sort of shephard along to adulthood and all...

139 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:19:09pm

If you think this insane, you haven't seen anything yet. Animal rights groups are complaining in the NY metro area over the gassing of Canadian geese, which are the same bird that struck and brought down Continental 1549.

They'd rather find a way to scare off the birds, rather than gas 'em, even though they're not much more than flying rats for all the damage they have done and can do.

Of course, efforts to scare off birds isn't exactly foolproof at airports in the area, and LGA and JFK are both on the waterfront and JFK is adjacent to Gateway National Wildlife Refuge.

140 Macker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:19:11pm

re: #98 ihateronpaul

PETA is a huge joke. Almost everyone I know into animal rights has no time for them.

I always think of this tune whenever PETA comes up in a conversation...

Youtube Video
141 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:19:26pm

re: #89 Sharmuta

I kill bugs in my house. They don't belong in here. They have the rest of the planet. I don't kill spiders though. Those I do catch and release outside due to a Native superstition I heard as a child. Silly, maybe, but they also catch and kill other bugs for me, so I see them as an ally. So long as I don't see them, they can stay.

Maybe I'll make a PETA watch list now.

depends on the spider. I won't try to catch a black widow, a jumping spider, a hobo spider (fairly common here) They Die. However, I will save a drowning daddy long leg and keep him around the base of my house any day.

142 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:19:52pm

re: #134 LatinGent

May I suggest we use the PETA traps to capture as many of `Natures smallest animals` and box them up and send them to PETA for proper treatment? (maybe I can just buy a million cockroaches and send them directly).

PETA proper treatment being kill them and dumping the bodies

143 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:20:19pm

re: #141 Eowyn2

depends on the spider. I won't try to catch a black widow, a jumping spider, a hobo spider (fairly common here) They Die. However, I will save a drowning daddy long leg and keep him around the base of my house any day.

E2 ... praying mantis are cool ...

144 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:20:43pm

re: #141 Eowyn2

depends on the spider. I won't try to catch a black widow, a jumping spider, a hobo spider (fairly common here) They Die. However, I will save a drowning daddy long leg and keep him around the base of my house any day.

Those little batsards get in your tent and bite you ... looks like flea bites.

145 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:20:54pm

re: #139 lawhawk

I've heard about some airports using border collies to chase off geese or ducks that congregate too close to the runway.

146 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:21:02pm

re: #139 lawhawk

If you think this insane, you haven't seen anything yet. Animal rights groups are complaining in the NY metro area over the gassing of Canadian geese, which are the same bird that struck and brought down Continental 1549.

They'd rather find a way to scare off the birds, rather than gas 'em, even though they're not much more than flying rats for all the damage they have done and can do.

Of course, efforts to scare off birds isn't exactly foolproof at airports in the area, and LGA and JFK are both on the waterfront and JFK is adjacent to Gateway National Wildlife Refuge.

I would think there would be a market for free range geese?

147 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:21:06pm

re: #142 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

PETA proper treatment being kill them and dumping the bodies

I give you Ingrid Newkirk.

148 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:21:30pm

re: #141 Eowyn2

I won't try to catch a black widow, a jumping spider, a hobo spider (fairly common here) They Die

RACIST!
HOBOPHOBE!

149 charles_martel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:21:54pm

Jimmy Carter would have given the fly a pardon.

150 spare o'lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:22:07pm

re: #89 Sharmuta

I kill bugs in my house. They don't belong in here. They have the rest of the planet. I don't kill spiders though. Those I do catch and release outside due to a Native superstition I heard as a child. Silly, maybe, but they also catch and kill other bugs for me, so I see them as an ally. So long as I don't see them, they can stay.

Maybe I'll make a PETA watch list now.


Dear Madam,
It has come to our attention that you have been releasing spiders.
We trust you will keep in mind that if the spiders run out of flies, then they will come after YOU.
In your BED.
While you're ASLEEP.
We therefore urge you to make sure there are plenty of LIVE flies for them to catch in their beautiful cobwebs all over your house.
Fondly,
PETA

151 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:22:22pm
152 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:22:22pm

re: #148 Occasional Reader

re: #141 Eowyn2


RACIST!
HOBOPHOBE!


You forgot sexist.

153 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:22:39pm

re: #146 brookly red

I would think there would be a market for free range geese?

They aren't bad...I don't think you have to wait for a specific hunting season for them out here.

154 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:22:41pm

I scarcely know what to think since I've been struggling with my sense of humor...
:D

155 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:22:48pm

re: #146 brookly red

Hmm...yet another potential food source. Peking duck goose, anyone?

/duck duck, goose

156 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:22:57pm

re: #149 charles_martel

Jimmy Carter would have given the fly a pardon.

He would have first insisted that it be removed from the Insect Pest List

157 opnion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:23:29pm

If there remain any doubts about how fabulous Obama is, they should now be gone.
Obama swatted that fly with his right hand, our leader is left handed.

158 Wendya  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:23:36pm

re: #18 Darth_K

Can PETA be any dumber? Next thing you know they'll complain that when we take showers we're killing innocent bacteria.

Well, that would explain a LOT about many of PETA's members...

159 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:23:44pm

re: #136 Sharmuta

Alas- poor house fly, we hardly knew ye. But your death shall not be in vain.

The Lord in His Wisdom made the fly
and then forgot to tell us why.

Ogden Nash

160 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:23:49pm

re: #152 Truck Monkey

You forgot sexist.

I'll bet she goes after brown recluse spiders, too. But the white social spiders? Oooh, nooo... they get invited inside for tea and crumpets!

161 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:23:52pm

re: #147 LatinGent

I give you Ingrid Newkirk.

You wouldn't happen to still have the receipt?

162 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:24:32pm

Flies always take off up and to the rear.

/if you clap your hands slightly above and behind one, you'll get it every time

163 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:24:44pm

re: #155 Fenway_Nation

Hmm...yet another potential food source. Peking duck goose, anyone?

/duck duck, goose

FN ... I don't blame them for wanting to get the geese gone any way they can ... my parents had them fly over their ponds and when the land and stay ... they make a big big mess ... they are beautiful but they make a mess in the country so I am sure it is a real mess in the city to clean up ...

164 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:24:47pm

re: #142 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

PETA proper treatment being kill them and dumping the bodies


we can take them to the eagle sanctuary near here.

165 deWildcats  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:25:16pm

I have a device that traps flies ... and kills them DEAD

166 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:25:36pm

re: #153 KansasMom

They aren't bad...I don't think you have to wait for a specific hunting season for them out here.

When I was growing up we always had a X-mas goose, just go over to the golf course with a peice of pipe...

167 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:25:38pm

re: #139 lawhawk

If you think this insane, you haven't seen anything yet. Animal rights groups are complaining in the NY metro area over the gassing of Canadian geese, which are the same bird that struck and brought down Continental 1549.

They'd rather find a way to scare off the birds, rather than gas 'em, even though they're not much more than flying rats for all the damage they have done and can do.

Of course, efforts to scare off birds isn't exactly foolproof at airports in the area, and LGA and JFK are both on the waterfront and JFK is adjacent to Gateway National Wildlife Refuge.


It wasn't Canadian Geese that brought down Continental Flight 1549, it was Muslim Geese.

168 yochanan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:25:54pm

re: #22 JCM

PEOPLE EATING TASTIER ANIMALS

medium rare
thank you very much.

169 Dianna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:25:55pm

Flies irritate me, quite aside from being filthy.

170 Wendya  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:26:13pm

re: #114 unrealizedviewpoint

Here's a nice reasonable PETA mousetrap, better than glue [Link: www.petacatalog.org...]

I don't like and won't use glue traps. My husband prefers live traps and has no idea that I empty them into the garbage bin outside.

171 callahan23  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:26:19pm

re: #154 J.D.

I scarcely know what to think since I've been struggling with my sense of humor...
:D

WHAM, that's a real bringer. Ding.

172 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:26:23pm

Are fly strips torture devices?
//

173 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:26:51pm

Long odds on a FlyGate meltdown, but it's possible...

174 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:01pm

re: #172 DEZes

Not yet, but don't you dare waterboard a fly!

175 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:05pm

re: #172 DEZes

Are fly strips torture devices?
//

According to PETA, yes

176 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:08pm

re: #166 brookly red

When I was growing up we always had a X-mas goose, just go over to the golf course with a peice of pipe...

You took the goose clubbing? ;)

177 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:18pm

re: #172 DEZes

Are fly strips torture devices?
//

Cruel & unusual punishment.

178 callahan23  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:19pm

re: #169 Dianna

Flies irritate me, quite aside from being filthy.

See my: re: #117 callahan23

179 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:22pm

I saw the article title - this is for real? Not the Onion?

180 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:24pm

re: #163 JacksonTn

re: #155 Fenway_Nation


FN ... I don't blame them for wanting to get the geese gone any way they can ... my parents had them fly over their ponds and when the land and stay ... they make a big big mess ... they are beautiful but they make a mess in the country so I am sure it is a real mess in the city to clean up ...

They shit like toddlers. They are mean too. They will come after you if they feel threatened.

181 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:39pm

re: #171 callahan23

I can't even work up half a chuckle.

182 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:44pm

Will Flygate uncover a web of intrigue in the White House?

183 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:27:56pm

100% Safe for work

PETA Founder loves the cock!

184 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:28:03pm
185 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:28:50pm

re: #169 Dianna

Flies irritate me, quite aside from being filthy.

They taunt people and animals, the lil buggers gode me into killing them.

186 yochanan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:29:09pm

re: #159 Eowyn2

with out the fly we would be up to our nose in shit.

187 Macker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:29:29pm

re: #169 Dianna

Flies irritate me, quite aside from being filthy.

Which is why I don't miss them one bit here in AZ!

188 Kragar  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:29:37pm

Deceiver has a good round up of PETA hypocrits

189 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:29:42pm
Youtube Video

/and flies

190 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:29:46pm

I knew an old lady who swallowed a fly...

191 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:30:01pm
192 spare o'lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:30:13pm

re: #183 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

100% Safe for work

PETA Founder loves the cock!

That rooster looks familiar...does he speak Arabic?

193 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:30:18pm

re: #145 Fenway_Nation

They've used a falconer at JFK with some success, but the sheer numbers make it difficult.

194 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:30:33pm

re: #170 Wendya

I don't like and won't use glue traps. My husband prefers live traps and has no idea that I empty them into the garbage bin outside.

We can't use regular mousetraps because they'd hurt our dogs. There are snap traps that don't hurt dogs, but they usually just injure the mice. And there are expensive round traps that do kill the mice, but the mice don't go in them readily.
We tried live traps, and I'd tell my wife in my best gangster imitation "I'm taking that dirty stinking mouse for a ride" and release it where no houses are around. She wouldn't let me give them to the neighbor's cat.

195 mystry  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:30:50pm

I hate any kind of bug! Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack did I kill them all yet? NO! I missed One Whack whack whack There I fell better now!

196 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:30:57pm
197 Lee Coller  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:31:12pm

Peta's next advertising campaign: "miniature birds"

198 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:31:28pm

re: #195 mystry

I hate any kind of bug! Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack did I kill them all yet? NO! I missed One Whack whack whack There I fell better now!

fell better than whom...

/

199 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:31:33pm

Yet Another Update:

In response to the ongoing fly menace, the U.S. Secret Service has deployed swat teams inside the White House.

200 Lee Coller  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:31:36pm

re: #190 Sharmuta

I knew an old lady who swallowed a fly...

Did she die?

201 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:31:38pm

re: #174 Fenway_Nation

Not yet, but don't you dare waterboard a fly!

I just used the board...
Newspapers, chemicals, glue traps, hats and excessive force.

202 Bobblehead  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:32:17pm

Oh for crying out loud. A filthy fly? Theater of the absurd seems like an understatement.

203 Zooty Zoot  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:32:22pm

What is PETA's position on zapping cancer viruses with chemotherapy? Or going after bacteria with antibiotics?

204 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:32:31pm

re: #193 lawhawk

They've used a falconer at JFK with some success

Would you say that Falconer is an over-a-Cheever?

205 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:32:49pm

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Will Flygate uncover a web of intrigue in the White House?

Do we call this fly a left-wing or right-wing extremist? He had both.
/

206 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:32:58pm

re: #200 Lee Coller

Did she die?

Yes- but it involved a horse. Don't ask- it's a long story.

207 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:33:20pm

re: #190 Sharmuta

I knew an old lady who swallowed a fly...

A fly, not some fly.
(For those who remember the "Spanish fly" supposed aphrodisiac stories)

208 Lee Coller  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:33:23pm

re: #205 iceweasel

Do we call this fly a left-wing or right-wing extremist? He had both.
/

They'll find out the white house is bugged!

209 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:33:24pm

re: #193 lawhawk

I'm en-raptor-ed...tell me more.

210 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:33:59pm

re: #207 Kosh's Shadow

A fly, not some fly.
(For those who remember the "Spanish fly" supposed aphrodisiac stories)

Kosh ... was that the aspirin in the coke bottle thing? ...

211 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:33:59pm

Sweet. Live and Let Die is on SciFi. Best Bond gal... ever..

And definitely the best Bond theme song.

Youtube Video
212 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:34:03pm

As this thread furiously flies forth a thousand posfths...

213 Buster  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:34:05pm

re: #167 unrealizedviewpoint

It wasn't Canadian Geese that brought down Continental Flight 1549, it was Muslim Geese.

The females though don't fly...burkha is too heavy.

214 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:34:12pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

I'll bet she goes after brown recluse spiders, too. But the white social spiders? Oooh, nooo... they get invited inside for tea and crumpets!

I would also kill yellow sac spiders, redback jumping spiders (damn commies) camel spiders and wolf spiders (speciest wench) if they were common enough to come into my house.

Are the white social spiders 'climbers' ?
/

215 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:34:39pm

re: #206 Sharmuta

Yes- but it involved a horse. Don't ask- it's a long story.

/she would have made it if we had national health care!

216 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #211 lawhawk

Sweet. Live and Let Die is on SciFi. Best Bond gal... ever..

And definitely the best Bond theme song.
Isn't that Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman?


Youtube Video

217 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:34:52pm
218 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:34:52pm

I think we'll have steak tonight for dinner and eat the veggies raw.

219 mfarmer1  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:35:03pm

I saw this story floating around today and didn't even bother as I thought it was an obvious parody. Still hard to believe. Yesterday was bad enough watching the press treat Obama as if he was a hybrid between Siddhartha and The Flash.

But this? Wow. What happens to people to make them like this? Just for a few minutes I'd like to switch brains just to see what it's like. Then again, maybe not.

220 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:35:24pm

Yankees are playing to an almost empty Stadium after a 5 1/2 hour rain delay. It's weird hearing, or not hearing, any crowd noise.

221 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:35:26pm

re: #184 buzzsawmonkey

You on thin ice buddy..

222 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:35:26pm
They know I can't move a finger, and I won't. I'll just sit here and be quiet, just in case they do suspect me. They're probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I'm not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching... they'll see. They'll see and they'll know, and they'll say, 'Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly...'.


- failed Obama mentor

223 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:35:40pm

re: #219 mfarmer1

I saw this story floating around today and didn't even bother as I thought it was an obvious parody. Still hard to believe. Yesterday was bad enough watching the press treat Obama as if he was a hybrid between Siddhartha and The Flash.

But this? Wow. What happens to people to make them like this? Just for a few minutes I'd like to switch brains just to see what it's like. Then again, maybe not.

If you switched brains, you'd be stuck because you'd be too stupid to switch them back.

224 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:35:45pm

re: #163 JacksonTn

FN ... I don't blame them for wanting to get the geese gone any way they can ... my parents had them fly over their ponds and when the land and stay ... they make a big big mess ... they are beautiful but they make a mess in the country so I am sure it is a real mess in the city to clean up ...

Good evening, Lizards.

If you think that's a mess, watch what happens when a duck, goose, etc., gets sucked into the intake of a turbofan spinning at 40K RPM and some change, with only about enough clearance between the blades for a business card. It's sort of like firing a load of canister from a Civil War Napoleon 12-pounder right into the intake. The usual result is that the turbofan undergoes what the British used to call, with precision, "catastrophic self-disassembly"- in short, it frickin' blows up.

Incidentally, the NYC Solid Waste Authority is now opening a new waste collection point (dump) for city garbage, about a half-mile from the end of JFK's main runway. Right under the departure corridor. The local seagulls are ecstatic; the local airport authority, not so much.

cheers

eon

225 notutopia  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:35:56pm

OH please, give us all a break PETA. This is over the top absurd.

I guess they're pissed at me too, for shotgunning the poisonous copperhead snake (I just converted it into minced snakemeat for the compost pile) for eating my newly hatched baby ducklings!

226 Lee Coller  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:36:06pm

re: #215 brookly red

/she would have made it if we had national health care!

She still wouldn't have made it. It just would have been a shorter story.

227 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:36:07pm
228 LGoPs  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:36:08pm

We, the American people, clearly have too much time on our hands...
Sheesh.

229 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:36:23pm

re: #222 The Shadow Do

- failed Obama mentor

Psycho?

230 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:36:42pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

Yet another update:

The Fly menace is spawning sequels.

231 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:36:57pm

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

232 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:37:28pm

re: #166 brookly red

When I was growing up we always had a X-mas goose, just go over to the golf course with a peice of pipe...

I was told this is a good way to catch turkeys, but it would probably work for geese too...
1. Set out an old mattress
2. strip off the cloth from the top.
3. Spread birdseed around the coils.
4. Check it the next day and see if you have any birds.

233 opnion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:37:31pm

re: #211 lawhawk

Sweet. Live and Let Die is on SciFi. Best Bond gal... ever..

And definitely the best Bond theme song.

Youtube Video


I knew that it was Jane Seymor before I even clicked on it. Had to be.

234 Bobblehead  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:37:37pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

Go figure.

235 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:37:57pm

re: #139 lawhawk

If you think this insane, you haven't seen anything yet. Animal rights groups are complaining in the NY metro area over the gassing of Canadian geese, which are the same bird that struck and brought down Continental 1549.

They'd rather find a way to scare off the birds, rather than gas 'em, even though they're not much more than flying rats for all the damage they have done and can do.

Of course, efforts to scare off birds isn't exactly foolproof at airports in the area, and LGA and JFK are both on the waterfront and JFK is adjacent to Gateway National Wildlife Refuge.

A breeding pair of coyotes, or better yet, wolves, in Central Park would scare the geese away quite well. And they'd be helping out endangered species besides.

236 3 wood  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:37:58pm

The dollar may gain some strength in the near term.

Dollar May Gain on Libor Speculation, Failure to Breach $1.40

The dollar may extend its gain against the euro on speculation changes in how the London interbank offered rate is set may increase the borrowing costs for the greenback outside the U.S.

The dollar rose versus the euro yesterday for the first time in three days after British Bankers’ Association said it may allow more institutions to take part in the daily survey that sets Libor, the benchmark for more than $360 trillion of financial products around the world. Investors also abandoned bets that the euro would appreciate further after the common European currency failed to strengthen beyond $1.40.

“It would be a wider group of banks, so some ‘weaker’ ones who would submit higher rates, thus Libor would aggregate higher,” said Scott Ainsbury, a portfolio manager at New York- based FX Concepts Inc., the world’s largest currency

hedge fund with about $12 billion in assets. “The market really has no conviction either way. So people are easy to get squeezed out.”


The positive out of this is that oil might drop a little as the dollar gains strength. Downside is it makes our exports more expensive for foreign customers to buy.

237 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:37:58pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

i updinged you on both, but I thought the Cheever one was brilliant.

238 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:02pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

I loved over-a-cheever. I cannot whip my ding out because I am in spy! I feel so cool!

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

239 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:12pm

re: #230 lawhawk

Yet another update:

The Fly menace is spawning sequels.

What would Vincent Price do? help me!help me!

240 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:22pm

America has officially jumped the shark.

241 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:30pm

re: #229 doppelganglander

Psycho?

Norman seemed like such a nice young man...

242 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:32pm

re: #220 Nevergiveup

Did you know that yesterday was the 500th consecutive sellout at Fenway Park?

243 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:36pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

I updinged the swat because it was so obvious a joke, and still I didnt think of it.

244 Wendya  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:48pm

re: #240 kansas

America has officially jumped the shark.

That happened months ago.

245 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:54pm

'There's no ding-groveling at LGF!'

Lao Stinky

246 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:38:56pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

...I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof...

That was a joke. I figured it was as true as the PETA/Fly story.

247 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:39:18pm

re: #210 JacksonTn

Kosh ... was that the aspirin in the coke bottle thing? ...

At one time, Coke contained cocaine. Then, they modified the formula to bind the cocaine to something so it wouldn't be active. Taking aspirin freed the cocaine and let you get high.
They took the cocaine out a long, long time ago, even though they still call Coke the "real thing".
That's the story I heard on 60 minutes 30 years ago, anyway.

Heading home; need to add the 64-bit compilers for Visual Studio and the keepers of the disk have gone home.

248 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:39:34pm

re: #232 KansasMom

How do you sleep on it again after you caught dinner?

249 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:39:38pm

re: #242 Fenway_Nation

Did you know that yesterday was the 500th consecutive sellout at Fenway Park?

500 Democrats showed up?/

250 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:39:40pm

I don't know what to make of this...
Mousavi spokesman on Obama. Foreign Policy speaks with Mousavi's external spokesman in Paris Mohsen Makhmalbaf:

FP: There has been growing criticism here in Washington that U.S. President Barack Obama hasn't said or done enough to support those demonstrating in the streets of Iran. Do you think Obama is being too careful? Or even that he is helping Ahmadinejad by being cautious?


MM: Obama has said that there is no difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi. Does he like it himself [when someone is] saying that there is no difference between Obama and [George W.] Bush? Ahmadinejad is the Bush of Iran. And Mousavi is the Obama of Iran.

FP: Would Mousavi pursue a different foreign policy than Ahmadinejad?

MM: As you may know, former President Mohammad Khatami, who is supporting Mousavi at the moment, was in favor of dialogue between the civilizations, but Ahmadinejad talks about the war of the civilizations. Is there not any difference between the two?

We [Iranians] are a bit unfortunate. When we had our Obama [meaning President Khatami], that was the time of President Bush in the United States. Now that [the United States] has Obama, we have our Bush here [in Iran]. In order to resolve the problems between the two countries, we should have two Obamas on the two sides. It doesn't mean that everything depends on these two people, but this is one of the main factors.

251 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:39:46pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

I liked both, but I'd already updinged the swat team, which really made me laugh out loud. Updinging all your jokes, good as they are, feels a little sycophantic.

252 spare o'lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:39:53pm

Did you know that the reason the Massassauga Rattlesnake (poisonous fucker) needs to be protected is because people keep killing them when they find them on their properties?
Bad, bad, bad, people.

253 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:39:56pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

I've wondered about that at times myself. I've stopped, and just roll with it now.

254 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:40:28pm

I wonder if some Vegan offshoot of PETA will send him a venus flytrap?
...The plants are starving, you bastard!...

255 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:40:33pm

Hey PETArds! The humane thing to do is destroy disease ridden pests.

256 mystry  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:40:37pm

#198 I had too many wacks.. I fell down and could not rise my arm for another whack!

257 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:40:48pm

re: #232 KansasMom

I was told this is a good way to catch turkeys, but it would probably work for geese too...
1. Set out an old mattress
2. strip off the cloth from the top.
3. Spread birdseed around the coils.
4. Check it the next day and see if you have any birds.

oooh, peta wouldn't like that...

258 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:40:57pm

Do any of these PETA people go around the world to fly-infested crap-holes and lecture people about not killing the little buggers?

/never mind...

259 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:41:32pm

re: #251 doppelganglander

I liked both, but I'd already updinged the swat team, which really made me laugh out loud. Updinging all your jokes, good as they are, feels a little sycophantic.

I'm not seeing the problem.

/

260 Lee Coller  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:41:33pm

re: #211 lawhawk

Sweet. Live and Let Die is on SciFi. Best Bond gal... ever..

And definitely the best Bond theme song.


[Video]

Worst Bond girl of all time: Madonna
Worst bond theme song: "Die Another Day" (Madonna)

261 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:41:49pm

re: #257 brookly red

oooh, peta wouldn't like that...

Try a Browning Twelvette Double Auto.

262 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:41:53pm

re: #143 JacksonTn

E2 ... praying mantis are cool ...


it gets too cold here in the winter time. most won't survive.

263 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:41:53pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

Here's the whole interview...
The FP Interview: Mohsen Makhmalbaf

264 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:41:54pm

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

We can't use regular mousetraps because they'd hurt our dogs. There are snap traps that don't hurt dogs, but they usually just injure the mice. And there are expensive round traps that do kill the mice, but the mice don't go in them readily.
We tried live traps, and I'd tell my wife in my best gangster imitation "I'm taking that dirty stinking mouse for a ride" and release it where no houses are around. She wouldn't let me give them to the neighbor's cat.

My usual procedure is the D-Con snap trap that is built inside a black plastic box; part of the box opens up to bait it (use peanut butter), or remove the mouse. I've found that mice are smart enough to rob the bait from a regular snap trap without tripping it, by going over top of the bail (the part that goes "wham!" when the trigger is tripped). The D-con "box trap" has a hole in one end, which means the mouse has to go over the trigger to reach the bait. Pow. And the hole is too small for most full-sized dogs to get their noses or feet in. (Cats are a different story.)

The trap costs about five bucks most places, and is well worth it.

cheers

eonre: #232 KansasMom

I was told this is a good way to catch turkeys, but it would probably work for geese too...
1. Set out an old mattress
2. strip off the cloth from the top.
3. Spread birdseed around the coils.
4. Check it the next day and see if you have any birds.

265 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:41:59pm

re: #242 Fenway_Nation

Did you know that yesterday was the 500th consecutive sellout at Fenway Park?

Well todays/tonights game at Yankee Stadium might even go down as a near sellout as far as tickets sold. But that's good that baseball is alive on the East Coast.

266 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:42:26pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

Same with me. I'll say something I think is brilliant, and get no updings, or a couple. Then I'll say something casual, and get 10 or more.
Sometimes, I'll make a joke just before someone else, and they'll get the dings, or just after, and they'll still get the dings.
That even happened on this thread; see 75 and 76.

Really heading out now.

267 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:42:42pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

Ahmadinejad is the Bush of Iran

Schtoopidity Without Borders.

268 Bobblehead  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:42:42pm

re: #255 DaddyG

Hey PETArds! The humane thing to do is destroy disease ridden pests.

Next on PETA's agenda..antibiotics. Wouldn't want those bacteria to suffer, would we?

269 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:43:01pm

re: #258 rightymouse

Who could have envisioned a world in which a literally pro-maggot political group would have the President's ear (or our own ears for that matter)?

270 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #257 brookly red

By comparison gas and/or guns is incredibly humane.
Perspective, PETA, perspective!

271 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:43:30pm

re: #265 Nevergiveup

How could it be a sellout if the good seats are still cost-prohibitive?

272 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:43:35pm

re: #254 Lincolntf

I wonder if some Vegan offshoot of PETA will send him a venus flytrap?
...The plants are starving, you bastard!...

An Audrey II.

273 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:43:50pm

Recent from winston:

Just In: regime has begun arresting political activisits in #IranElection again

rt @iranbaan paramilitary forces have beaten people quite badly in #Isfahan during #iranelection unrests

OTHERS - it appears they think their communicatins have been compromised.

OTHER FRIENDS: please don't accuse someone b/c of one news that you think it's fake/wrong/false/etc ! #iranelection

OTHER FRIENDS: Please wait we talk about it, then say whatever you like!

btw, i'm suspicious that the govt reached the passwords of some trusted twitters. of course i have no CONF now, but will find out tomorrow!

I have now received e-mails from totally trustworthy sources within Iran that many Sepaah commanders [Sepaph is IRGC] have been arreste

#iranelection im very very tierd now but it's valuable for me...i never forget this event and other events like this

FOREIGN FRIENDS: I love you, but YOU HAVE NO IDEA what can happen after the pray! Your wrong sugg.s COSTS LIFES HERE! #iranelection

#*iranelection here is 11:39pm right now and some basiji's stand again in our street & check people & cars until now i don't hear any shoot

#iranelection when i went out it's really incredible more than milion ppl stand with placards and completely silen

iranelection i never can imagine that milion of ppl stand in someplace and no one say nothing and just stand with some politics placards

274 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:43:56pm

re: #261 LatinGent

Try a Browning Twelvette Double Auto.

ever bite down on a piece of bird shot?

275 Buster  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:44:07pm

re: #211 lawhawk

Sweet. Live and Let Die is on SciFi. Best Bond gal... ever..

And definitely the best Bond theme song.


I don't know. Goldfinger had hot chicks, great theme and a proper Aston Martin. Not to mention a proper James Bond.

276 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:44:34pm

re: #269 Lincolntf

Who could have envisioned a world in which a literally pro-maggot political group would have the President's ear (or our own ears for that matter)?

Ltf ... if I see maggots I will immediately throw up ... I saw a rotting cow once when I was a kid and I can still smell it and ... ewww ... but I hear they are making a comeback to eat rotten flesh off of wounds in hospitals ... that is good ...

277 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:44:37pm

re: #274 brookly red

ever bite down on a piece of bird shot?

It's full of... er... lead-y goodness?

278 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:44:38pm

re: #274 brookly red

Sure have. Still like the wild birds though...

279 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:44:41pm
280 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:44:50pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I don't know what to make of this...
Mousavi spokesman on Obama. Foreign Policy speaks with Mousavi's external spokesman in Paris Mohsen Makhmalbaf:

You'd think that Bush/Ahmadinejad comparison would thrill the lefties. I think they don't realize that for Obama, hope'n'change is nothing more than a slogan, and they really don't see any difference between Mousavi and Dinnerjacket.

281 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:45:08pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

The previous revolution was a revolution of traditionalism against modernism; but now this is a revolution of modernism against traditionalism. The previous revolution had a frown; this one has a smile on its face. The previous revolution was red; this one is green. We can say that this is a 21st-century revolution, but the other was a 20th-century revolution. That revolution was led by the people who were educated by the epoch of the shah, and this generation was brought up by the mullahs inside the Islamic Revolution. We have many young people, and maturity is killing the fathers. In each generation, we kill our fathers. And our fathers [today] are the mullahs.


I'm pretty sure he's speaking figuratively but it's significant that he's talking about getting rid of the mullahs rather than working with them.

282 3 wood  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:45:49pm

re: #235 Eowyn2

A breeding pair of coyotes, or better yet, wolves, in Central Park would scare the geese away quite well. And they'd be helping out endangered species besides.

Years ago I knew of a summer groundskeeper at a park who used a 22. Benjamin pump with a 4X scope in the early first light of dawn before people were up and bout to control the pigeon and goose population. He'd go out first thing and pop a couple and get rid of the remains before any nosey neighbors were up and about.

Almost totally silent and very effective.

No one was ever the wiser.

283 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:45:53pm

re: #279 Iron Fist

Our network got fried in a storm today. One of my neighbors has left their network unsecurred. I'll just post at LGF instead of downloading porn :-)

IF ... won't you be my neighbor ...

/checking my connection now ...

284 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:45:59pm

re: #275 Buster

Goldfinger had hot chicks, great theme

What?! The "GollldFINGAH!" theme is comically bad.

Best Bond girl: Grace Jones.

KIDDING!

285 spare o'lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:46:02pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

Maybe your timing or delivery was a bit off.

286 abolitionist  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:46:06pm

Was Jack Elam a member of PETA? His fly catcher was more, uh, multi-purpose: Once Upon A Time in the West - Opening Scene

287 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:46:17pm
288 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:46:18pm

L'il Kim: Pay attention to me!

Yet another menace to the world... and isn't it nice that we've got a missile defense system that can potentially deal with that?

289 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:46:23pm

Look at it this way -
Obama is at odds with PETA.
Most Americans now view all Obama actions as reasonable.
/getting a headache

290 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:46:35pm

re: #280 doppelganglander

It might be empty rhetoric from Mousavi too.

291 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:46:35pm

re: #278 LatinGent

Sure have. Still like the wild birds though...

If I ever go back to eating meat, I will start with duck.
(not wabbit)

292 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:47:20pm

re: #291 brookly red

Alas, i sin. And I prefer them deep fried!

293 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:08pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure he's speaking figuratively but it's significant that he's talking about getting rid of the mullahs rather than working with them.

I wonder if the spokesman's gone "off the reservation" a bit with that remark. It would be quite a step for Mousavi to position himself as wanting to cast off the mullahs.

294 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:10pm

re: #292 LatinGent

Alas, i sin. And I prefer them deep fried!

duck or wabbit?

295 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:19pm
296 spare o'lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:25pm

re: #237 iceweasel

i updinged you on both, but I thought the Cheever one was brilliant.

Please don't encourage him. The Follett could be toxic.

297 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:27pm

re: #291 brookly red

If I ever go back to eating meat, I will start with duck.
(not wabbit)

wabbit stinks! Hubby brought some home, stuck it in the crock pot and stunk up the entire kitchen. Nasty!
Duck would be a good way to return to being a carnivore, IMO. If you're gonna do it, might as well not fool around!

298 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:41pm

re: #292 LatinGent

Alas, i sin. And I prefer them deep fried!

Guilty as charged.
I love rabbit.

299 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:41pm

re: #232 KansasMom

I was told this is a good way to catch turkeys, but it would probably work for geese too...
1. Set out an old mattress
2. strip off the cloth from the top.
3. Spread birdseed around the coils.
4. Check it the next day and see if you have any birds.

OK, let's try that again.

The trick is to pull the cloth off the side that has the small end of the coils, if it's a "one-side" mattress. And put the corn in the middle of the coil on the bottom. Once the birds stick their heads down through the coil to grab the corn, they get stuck and can't pull them out.

Another simple trap, for ground feeders like quail, is a farmed box with chicken wire on the sides about 1 foot by 2 feet by 2 feet, with a wood bottom with a 6" round hole in the middle. Put corn inside it, set it up on rocks, bricks, etc., about six to eight inches off the ground near a quail feeding area, and leave it alone for a few hours. The quail will notice the corn, get under the box, figure out how to get in, pop up through the hole, eat the corn- and stay there, because they tend to avoid going down into a hole. (In short, they get confused.)

Next step- what's your favorite recipe for quail?

cheers

eon

300 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:45pm

gag a maggot

if you can whack a fly, odds are it's half-dead already

but maybe this is a sign he's going to swat achmadinejad ... yeah, that's a good story

301 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:49pm

re: #276 JacksonTn

Ltf ... if I see maggots I will immediately throw up ... I saw a rotting cow once when I was a kid and I can still smell it and ... ewww ... but I hear they are making a comeback to eat rotten flesh off of wounds in hospitals ... that is good ...

Somehow the maggots know to only eat the dead human flesh while at the same time massaging the live growing flesh. It's disgusting if you ask me.

302 Lincolntf  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:48:56pm

I can guarantee that there will be a Sat. Night Live skit about this. I can almost guarantee that it won't be funny.

303 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:49:04pm

re: #294 brookly red

Turkeys! Ever since we got that silly deep fryer I cant have them any other way.

304 Teh Flowah  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:49:14pm

I'm pretty sure flies don't feel pain. At what point does PETA just bite the bullet and ask us to "hold your applause until the end" because we don't want to be killing the bacteria.

305 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:49:15pm

See ya'll later ... going to take my son to dinner for his birthday ... what happens ... one day you are feeding them with a 25 cent jar of baby food ... the next day you have to take out a loan for dinner ... that guy can eat! ...

306 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:49:24pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

It might be empty rhetoric from Mousavi too.

Possibly, which is why I haven't formed an opinion as to whether Obama should come out in favor of the protesters or remain silent, or even condemn the protesters. However, you'd think the State Department would know enough about the situation and could advise Obama one way or another. Saying nothing at all makes Obama look weak, as of course we know he is. He's just voting "present," as usual.

307 yochanan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:49:37pm

cat works as a mouse trap.

308 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:49:55pm

re: #298 DEZes

Guilty as charged.
I love rabbit.

I smack the crap out of my cats for catching rabbits. I love them too. Just not for eating.

309 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:50:13pm

John Kerry must have been talking to Cato.

310 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:50:42pm

re: #308 rightymouse

They`re jus` fer lookin` thru...

311 KansasMom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:50:56pm

re: #299 eon

OK, let's try that again.

The trick is to pull the cloth off the side that has the small end of the coils, if it's a "one-side" mattress. And put the corn in the middle of the coil on the bottom. Once the birds stick their heads down through the coil to grab the corn, they get stuck and can't pull them out.

Another simple trap, for ground feeders like quail, is a farmed box with chicken wire on the sides about 1 foot by 2 feet by 2 feet, with a wood bottom with a 6" round hole in the middle. Put corn inside it, set it up on rocks, bricks, etc., about six to eight inches off the ground near a quail feeding area, and leave it alone for a few hours. The quail will notice the corn, get under the box, figure out how to get in, pop up through the hole, eat the corn- and stay there, because they tend to avoid going down into a hole. (In short, they get confused.)

Next step- what's your favorite recipe for quail?

cheers

eon


Oh, you're good! My favorite recipe for quail (or any game bird) comes from HuntFishCook. I think its called game bird pie, a really good pot pie recipe for cleaning out the freezer.
Unfortunately, I don't get much chance to cook quail or pheasant. Husband has been focusing on deer and turkey...and hasn't had a good year at that. I actually had to buy beef from the store last week!

312 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:51:01pm

re: #297 KansasMom

wabbit stinks! Hubby brought some home, stuck it in the crock pot and stunk up the entire kitchen. Nasty!
Duck would be a good way to return to being a carnivore, IMO. If you're gonna do it, might as well not fool around!

Except for a few chinese duck dishes...Duck is very greasy to me..Maybe the Orange sauce covers that up... Or I have not had a good duck..

313 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:51:25pm

re: #309 BigPapa

John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


That oughta help.

314 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:51:26pm

re: #293 Occasional Reader


I wonder if the spokesman's gone "off the reservation" a bit with that remark. It would be quite a step for Mousavi to position himself as wanting to cast off the mullahs.


I thought the same thing. I don't know if it's real or propaganda for Western consumption.

315 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:51:29pm

Later.

316 Buster  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:51:34pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

Roseanne Rosanna Danna?

317 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:51:34pm

re: #211 lawhawk

Sweet. Live and Let Die is on SciFi. Best Bond gal... ever..

And definitely the best Bond theme song.

Youtube Video

It's a tad less campy and more modern in a special-effects sort of way than Goldfinger, anyway I did come to respect Roger Moore as 007.

318 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:52:25pm

re: #303 LatinGent

Turkeys! Ever since we got that silly deep fryer I cant have them any other way.

there is a local spot near here that sells em called "jive turkey" they do a pretty good businesses...

319 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:52:34pm

re: #310 LatinGent

They`re jus` fer lookin` thru...


I can't stand the sound of bunnies screaming their bloody brains out.

320 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:52:38pm

re: #298 DEZes

Guilty as charged.
I love rabbit.

As much as this lady?

321 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:52:50pm

re: #302 Lincolntf

I can guarantee that there will be a Sat. Night Live skit about this. I can almost guarantee that it won't be funny.

Don't swat my fly, dude!

/can see this one coming down 47th street ...

322 mystry  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:52:52pm

#274 Actually I did. I got a Bob's BIG BOY out of it. I should have gotten more! this happened about 25 years ago. I also did not save the shot out of the beef pattie. Young and stupid I guess.

323 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:53:04pm

Quail breast: Sautee onions in butter, salt and pepper,medium heat, lay in breasts...dont over cook! Serve and cover with sautee mix.

324 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:53:06pm

re: #297 KansasMom

wabbit stinks! Hubby brought some home, stuck it in the crock pot and stunk up the entire kitchen. Nasty!
Duck would be a good way to return to being a carnivore, IMO. If you're gonna do it, might as well not fool around!

SAM: Make him sick you will, behaving like that. There's only one way to eat a brace of coneys.

SMÉAGOL: Argh! What's he doing! Stupid fat hobbit. You ruins it!

SAM: What's to ruin? There's hardly any meat on them. What we need it a few good taters.

SMÉAGOL: What's taters, Preciousss? What's taters? Huh?

SAM: Po-ta-toes! Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew. Lovely big golden chips with a nice piece of fried fish.

SMÉAGOL: Phooh!

SAM: Even you couldn't say no to that.

SMÉAGOL: Oh yes we could. Ssspoiling nice fish! Give it to us raw and wriggling. You keep nasty chips!

SAM: You're hopeless.

325 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:53:15pm

re: #312 HoosierHoops

Except for a few chinese duck dishes...Duck is very greasy to me..Maybe the Orange sauce covers that up... Or I have not had a good duck..


Duck is fatty for sure. I like Peking Duck, though. :)

326 SevereTyreDamage  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:53:37pm

El Presidente, Lord of the Flies.

327 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:54:10pm

re: #26 snowcrash

Have to give them credit for consistency.

Good point. I'm itching to go into my Devil's Advocate mode, but it's not a pretty sight. I may do it anyway.

328 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:54:13pm

re: #320 doppelganglander

As much as this lady?

Crazy rabbit lady.

329 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:54:24pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Has anyone looked into this story? PETA is crazy and stupid but it just sounds like a hoax or something a stupid reporter found on a parody site.

Well, it's from Reuters, but the quotes in it are fom TV talk show hosts.
Conan O'Brian, Jon Stewart...

330 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:54:43pm

re: #284 Occasional Reader

What?! The "GollldFINGAH!" theme is comically bad.

Best Bond girl: Grace Jones.

KIDDING!

Actually, I agree with you. I also liked Trina Parks, as "Thumper", in Diamonds Are Forever.

My personal favorite 007 movies are From Russia With Love (in spite of its terrible vocal theme- the instrumental version is great, though), and The Living Daylights, simply because they were the closest to Fleming's stories. My personal favorite theme is On Her Majesty's Secret Service (another instrumental-only); my vote for the absolute worst 007 film goes to Moonraker (just too many in-jokes).

cheers

eon

331 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:55:56pm

re: #328 DEZes

Crazy rabbit lady.

She sort of resembles a rabbit, doesn't she?

332 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:56:05pm

re: #325 rightymouse

Duck is fatty for sure. I like Peking Duck, though. :)

that's why they hang em in the window to let the fat drain out...

333 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:56:23pm

re: #331 doppelganglander

She sort of resembles a rabbit, doesn't she?

Its the chubby cheeks. ;)

334 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:56:33pm

I wonder if Rachel Carson was a member of PETA.

335 LoWil  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:56:35pm

re: #112 nikis-knight

What? No, you're joking, right? Please tell me Obama can stand up to the likes of PETA?

Of course he can't, slugs have more backbone than him.

336 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:56:47pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

Over-a-cheevar was a bit of a canard

337 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:57:26pm

re: #332 brookly red

that's why they hang em in the window to let the fat drain out...

That's why they do that? I learn something new here every day..
/Still not eating fatty greasy Duck...

338 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:57:56pm

re: #269 Lincolntf

Who could have envisioned a world in which a literally pro-maggot political group would have the President's ear (or our own ears for that matter)?


The fly is a victim. Obama must pay attention.

339 jcbunga  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:58:26pm

Got one that will accommodate Madame Boxer's a$$?

340 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:58:31pm

Interesting, PersianKiwi:
We have unconfirmed reports that there is dissent among commanders of the Revolutionary Guard Force - #Iranelection

341 GoJeepGo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:58:34pm

re: #18 Darth_K

Can PETA be any dumber? Next thing you know they'll complain that when we take showers we're killing innocent bacteria.

Right now our immune systems are killing countless micro organisms! We're all murderers! And those drops I put on my dog's back... I must have slaughtered thousands of fleas and ticks.

We should all be ashamed.

342 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:59:09pm

The following video may be disturbing for some Peta viewers...

Footage of Chinese Fly Execution:

Youtube Video
343 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:59:22pm

re: #337 HoosierHoops

That's why they do that? I learn something new here every day..
/Still not eating fatty greasy Duck...

I slow cook em in a smoker so the fats drain out.

344 zoidberg  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:59:54pm

I posted a message on that blog entry (http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/06/obama_and_the_f.php), but they haven't approved it-

How can that bug trap possibly be considered humane? You're coaxing the bug to enter your trap, and for the period of time it takes you to take the bug outside, the bug must feel like it's in a prison!

If, say, a fly lives for about 20 days (28,800 minutes), and it takes, say, a minute to take the fly outside and release it. That's 1/28,800th of its life you have kept it prisoner.

According to google, 80 years is 42,075,901.3 minutes. So, for a human who lives 80 years, 1/28,800 x 42,075,901.3 = 1460.96 minutes, or just over a whole day of its life!

That disgusting trap is NOT humane and it's only a ploy to keep PETA rich whilst flies everywhere are been kept prisoners for 1 day out of their 20 day lifespan.

I thought it was reasonable, obviously PETA didn't!

345 MarineVet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:59:58pm

When this "propaganda" clip was brought to my attention I was outraged for the matter that this would make news AT ALL! I did put on a stop watch to see how fast PETA would react to this incident so "long live the liberal loons!" (can you feel my sarcasm?) Nice to know someone is looking out for a maggot with wings that likes to eat "crap" mmm sorta reminds me of our Congress today...

346 brookly red  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 3:59:59pm

re: #337 HoosierHoops

That's why they do that? I learn something new here every day..
/Still not eating fatty greasy Duck...

and in case you ever wondered why those lil packettes were called duck sauce...

347 abolitionist  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:00:22pm

re: #342 Sharmuta

The following video may be disturbing for some Peta viewers...

Footage of Chinese Fly Execution:


[Video]

Bet it was an American fly. :)

348 iceman1960  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:00:32pm

When is PETA going to come out against the mass murder of head lice?

349 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:01:13pm

Hey, this is funny!
Don't call her ma'am! ! !

350 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:01:22pm

re: #332 brookly red

that's why they hang em in the window to let the fat drain out...

Doesn't fat congeal after a while? With Peking Duck, the fatty part is nice and crispy.

351 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:01:24pm

re: #309 BigPapa
From that article:

We are all inspired by Iran’s peaceful demonstrations, the likes of which have not been seen there in three decades.


Would old John Kerry be talking about the Peaceful demonstrations that led to our people being held for 444 days three decades ago.

352 zoidberg  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:01:31pm

re: #348 iceman1960

When is PETA going to come out against the mass murder of head lice?

Baaahahahaahaahaaa! :)

353 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:01:42pm

I wonder if PETA is for the ethical treatment of people.

354 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:01:58pm

re: #348 iceman1960

When is PETA going to come out against the mass murder of head lice?

Hey...what about pinworms?

355 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:02:02pm

re: #346 brookly red

and in case you ever wondered why those lil packettes were called duck sauce...

I tried some duck sauce on some rice once...I will never eat it again...
gross!

356 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:02:07pm

re: #340 reine.de.tout

There are reports that today might be pivotal...
Tomorrow: Tiananmen in Tehran? Report: Khamenei issues ultimatum to Mousavi
I don't know if they go for a big crackdown. The Protests lately have been so quiet that a violent crackdown would be really bad PR for the Mullahs.

357 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:02:16pm

re: #353 BigPapa

I wonder if PETA is for the ethical treatment of people.

No.

358 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:02:40pm

re: #349 J.D.

Hey, this is funny!
Don't call her ma'am! ! !

Ma'am is a term of respect. He should definitely call her Senator.

359 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:02:59pm

re: #348 iceman1960

When is PETA going to come out against the mass murder of head lice?


And bed bugs!

360 GoJeepGo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:03:34pm

Now that I think about it, what would PETA's position be for flea and tick preventative? On one hand, I am murdering insects... but on the other, I'm protecting my dog from infestation and disease. Am I a hero or a villain?

361 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:03:37pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

Ma'am is a term of respect. He should definitely call her Senator.

Ding ding ding!

362 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:03:48pm

re: #301 unrealizedviewpoint

Somehow the maggots know to only eat the dead human flesh while at the same time massaging the live growing flesh. It's disgusting if you ask me.

That trick was used by doctors going back to the middle ages. It was ignored by the medical profession through the "Enlightenment" (maggots were considered a source of infection) in favor of cauterization of wounds with hot oil or even red-hot irons. (No, I'm not kidding.) the use of maggots was rediscovered by military doctors in the Crimean War and American Civil War. They also found, by running out of oil to cauterize wounds, that washing the wounds with distilled water and binding them with clean cloths (changed frequently) worked a lot better than cauterization.

Believe it or not, disinfecting wounds with alcohol was first tried in the 1870s- a long time after alcohol itself was discovered.

/Of course, mostly it was used for "internal medication" before that.

cheers

eon

363 MarineVet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:03:57pm

re: #348 iceman1960

Shhh maybe they have overlooked that one dangit!

364 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:04:12pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

Ma'am is a term of respect. He should definitely call her Senator.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Good one! :)

365 iceman1960  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:04:14pm

re: #360 GoJeepGo

Now that I think about it, what would PETA's position be for flea and tick preventative? On one hand, I am murdering insects... but on the other, I'm protecting my dog from infestation and disease. Am I a hero or a villain?

Can't we all just get along?

366 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:04:21pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

Ma'am is a term of respect. He should definitely call her Senator.

She doesn't want to know what I call her.

367 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:04:21pm

re: #342 Sharmuta

THE JEWISH SAMURAI

There once was a powerful Japanese emperor who needed a new chief
samurai. So he sent out a declaration throughout the entire known
world that he was searching for a chief.

A year passed, and only three people applied for the very demanding
position: a Japanese samurai, a Chinese samurai, and a Jewish
samurai.

The emperor asked the Japanese samurai to come in and demonstrate why
he should be the chief samurai. The Japanese samurai opened a
matchbox, and out popped a bumblebee. Whoosh! went his sword. The
bumblebee dropped dead, chopped in half.

The emperor exclaimed, "That is very
impressive!"The emperor then issued the same challenge to the Chinese
samurai, to come in and demonstrate why he should be chosen. The
Chinese samurai also opened a matchbox and out buzzed a fly. Whoosh,
whoosh, whoosh, whoosh! The fly dropped dead, chopped into four small
pieces.

The emperor exclaimed, "That is very impressive!"

Now the emperor turned to the Jewish samurai, and asked him to
demonstrate why he should be the chief samurai. The Jewish Samurai
opened a matchbox, and out flew a gnat. His flashing sword went
Whoosh! But the gnat was still alive and flying around.

The emperor, obviously disappointed, said, "Very ambitious, but why
is that gnat not dead?"

The Jewish Samurai just smiled and said, "I didn't kill it, I just gave it a bris."

368 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:05:12pm

I won't be impressed until Obama starts catching flies with chop sticks...
And he starts up the wax on wax off stuff I'm moving to Canada.

369 iceman1960  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:06:04pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

Ma'am is a term of respect. He should definitely call her Senator.

She had to put effort into getting that title. However she came by the title dumb b#tch effortlessly.

370 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:06:08pm

re: #360 GoJeepGo

Now that I think about it, what would PETA's position be for flea and tick preventative? On one hand, I am murdering insects... but on the other, I'm protecting my dog from infestation and disease. Am I a hero or a villain?

Perspective isn't one of PETA's strengths.

371 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:06:22pm

re: #368 HoosierHoops

I won't be impressed until Obama starts catching flies with chop sticks...
And he starts up the wax on wax off stuff I'm moving to Canada.

Daniel Son 2012!

372 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:06:30pm

Okay, my Devil's Advocate hat is on. Which of these moral statements comes closest to your personal principles, in practice of daily life:

(1) It's not good to kill sentient creatures.

(2) It's not good to kill sentient creatures unnecessarily.

(3) Hell with 'em. Survival of the fittest.

(4) Other

(I'll make this brief, and limit it to this thread.)

373 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:06:43pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

Ma'am is a term of respect. He should definitely call her Senator.

She would like either term better than the one I would use. ;)

374 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:07:06pm

CNN's Jeanne Moos compiled clips from YouTube and other sources -- it was hilarious...It showed clips from the fly-eye's point of view to the actor plyaing the role of the "human fly" to a fly-eating dog...(I'm assuming everyone's seen it by now).

375 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:07:27pm

An American, an Italian and a Irishman are drinking in a bar. All three find a fly in their beer. The American pulls the fly out and slides his beer back to the rail. The Italian picks the fly out and finishes his beer. The Irishman pulls the fly out by his wings and screams "Spit it out ye wee bastard!

376 Not Sold In Stores! Act NOW!  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:09:41pm

Presidential motorcades will now travel at 5mph to allay any needless loss of insect life. Also coming up; do fish cry?How do you think I got that worm?

377 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:11:29pm

PETA (sigh)

No comment

(Back to work)

378 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:12:34pm

re: #372 ShanghaiEd

*Yawn*

379 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:13:39pm

btw, PETA is selling that fly trap for 8 bucks? You can make your own fairly easily...you just take a jar, make a paper cone with a tiny opening, invert the cone in the jar, then put some bait in the bottom of the jar...typically the flies won't be able to find their way out...(how you catch fruit flies)...

380 yochanan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:13:41pm

re: #375 Alouette

you got it wrong it was a englishman, an irishman and a scot

381 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:13:45pm

re: #372 ShanghaiEd

Okay, my Devil's Advocate hat is on. Which of these moral statements comes closest to your personal principles, in practice of daily life:

(1) It's not good to kill sentient creatures.

(2) It's not good to kill sentient creatures unnecessarily.

(3) Hell with 'em. Survival of the fittest.

(4) Other

(I'll make this brief, and limit it to this thread.)

I'm in the (2) category. And if the creatures aren't sentient (define, please), their lifespan around me is heavily dependent on their behavior.

Spiders get a pass as long as they stay out of sight, catch bugs, and mind their own business. However, if one trots across my desk or workbench, toddles across my bed, or fast-ropes down from the ceiling in front of my nose, he/she/it's history.

Flies die. Period. I had too many lectures on camp hygiene in the Scouts to have any sympathy for the little b***ds. ("Self-deploying bioweapon vectors", I call them.) Biting flies, especially, are TWEPed*; as far as I'm concerned, they're part of the OPFOR.

(*Terminated With Extreme Prejudice)

cheers

eon

382 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:13:58pm

A lot of Gods creatures look good next to the mashed potatos and gravy.
People Eating Tasty Animals

383 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:14:01pm

re: #378 DEZes

*Yawn*

Where did everybody go?

384 flutesnoot  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:14:22pm

Nicholas Cage apparently ate a live cockroach in the 1988 move Vampire's Kiss. Not for kicks, it was in the script. I remember reading an article in the paper about some animal rights group; can't remember if it was PETA, sending out a press release condemning the act. If it wasn't PETA, it might have been PETI.

385 yochanan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:14:28pm

re: #379 J.S.

bee traps.

386 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:14:59pm

What eon said.

387 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:15:11pm

re: #379 J.S.

btw, PETA is selling that fly trap for 8 bucks? You can make your own fairly easily...you just take a jar, make a paper cone with a tiny opening, invert the cone in the jar, then put some bait in the bottom of the jar...typically the flies won't be able to find their way out...(how you catch fruit flies)...

And after the bottom of the jar is full of flies, you set the paper cone on fire.

388 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:15:16pm

re: #383 VegasRick

Where did everybody go?

Well some people have a life. Not me, but some people.

389 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:15:20pm

Waiter, there is a fly in my soup ?
Don't worry sir that spider on your bread will soon get him !

Waiter, what's this fly doing in my soup?
Um, looks to me to be backstroke, sir...

Waiter, there is a fly in the butter !
Yes sir, it's a butterfly!

Waiter, there is a dead fly swimming in my soup !
Don't be silly, dead flies can't swim !

Waiter, there's a fly in my soup!
Surely not, sir. It must be one of those vitamin bees you hear so much about.

Waiter, there is a fly in my soup !
Yes sir, he's committed insecticide

Waiter, waiter, there's a bee in my soup.
Yes Sir, it's the fly's day off.

Waiter, there is a worm in my soup !
Sorry sir, we're out of flies today !

390 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:16:08pm

BBL!

391 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:16:09pm

re: #388 Nevergiveup

Well some people have a life. Not me, but some people.

LOL!

392 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:16:26pm

re: #382 pingjockey

I consider it open season on anything that is dangerous or delicious.

393 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:17:07pm

re: #372 ShanghaiEd

Define 'sentient'. Does it mean capable of experiencing pain? Capable of something approaching thought? Or something else?

Lotta variation on the phylogenetic scale, and lots of people aren't going to worry about worms, or ants, etc.

394 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:17:24pm

No clue what the significance of this is, from twitter:

confirmed - the wife of Saeed Rajaie, a prominent Iranian wartime martyr, has been arrested while praying in Qom - #Iranelection
395 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:17:38pm

re: #385 yochanan

(the same principle, with some variatons, can be used to trap/catch mice...use a plastic pop bottle, cut off the top and invert, bait with cereal.)

396 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:17:52pm

re: #380 yochanan

you got it wrong it was a englishman, an irishman and a scot

That's the UK version.

397 califleftyb  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:18:34pm

Not only did the Saudi King gave Obama a medal, he gave him an honorary title too; the "Sultan of Swat."

398 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:18:40pm

re: #395 J.S.

(the same principle, with some variatons, can be used to trap/catch mice...use a plastic pop bottle, cut off the top and invert, bait with cereal.)

I use a hammer.

399 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:18:52pm

re: #395 J.S.

(the same principle, with some variatons, can be used to trap/catch mice...use a plastic pop bottle, cut off the top and invert, bait with cereal.)

And after the bottom of the pop bottle is full of mice, you set the plastic bottle on fire.

(I'm on a roll)

400 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:19:08pm

01:40 FBI finds child porn on computer belonging to Holocaust museum gunman (AP)

Yeah, this guys' got a bright future? He should be begging the nurses and guards to kill him.

401 yochanan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:19:24pm

re: #396 Alouette

well my grand parents came from scotland

402 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:19:39pm

Hey PETA, Mickey Mouse is a mass murderer.

Youtube Video
403 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:19:48pm

re: #356 Killgore Trout

There are reports that today might be pivotal...
Tomorrow: Tiananmen in Tehran? Report: Khamenei issues ultimatum to Mousavi
I don't know if they go for a big crackdown. The Protests lately have been so quiet that a violent crackdown would be really bad PR for the Mullahs.

Yes,that's what I keep hearing. Hundreds of thousands of people, standing quietly with signs.

At night, going out onto their rooftops.

The lack of violence among the protestors might be one reason that various authority groups are not doing violence. (police, military, I can't recall, still goofy from oral surgery this morning)

404 GoJeepGo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:19:53pm

At least he didn't pick on a mammal...

405 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:20:08pm

re: #397 califleftyb

Not only did the Saudi King gave Obama a medal, he gave him an honorary title too; the "Sultan of Swat."

Biden is the "Sultan of Swig".

406 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:20:12pm

re: #399 Walter L. Newton

no, you set them free -- in a field (the hawks will get 'em)...

407 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:20:15pm

re: #384 flutesnoot

Nicholas Cage apparently ate a live cockroach in the 1988 move Vampire's Kiss. Not for kicks, it was in the script. I remember reading an article in the paper about some animal rights group; can't remember if it was PETA, sending out a press release condemning the act. If it wasn't PETA, it might have been PETI.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Ideas*, or

People for the Ethical Treatment of Idiots?

/*Yes, this one really exists- Google it.

cheers

eon

408 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:20:24pm

re: #385 yochanan

bee traps.

Take a wine bottle, leave some drops of wine on the bottom, and smear the inside of the neck with honey. Bees crawl in, get drunk, and can't fly out.

409 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:20:41pm

re: #394 reine.de.tout

Looks like mousavi made a change of plans...
Mousavi has decided to duck a confrontation at Friday prayers and is prepping for a Saturday rally:

While what Khamenei says tomorrow matters, how the crowds behave could have greater consequences. We know that Mousavi has been debating about how to respond. Mousavi initially wanted his people to ring the university and shout so that Khamenei could hear them. Mehdi Karrubi, his ally and fellow unsuccessful presidential election candidate, wants his people to attend and wear black. Then Mousavi changed his mind and told his people not to attend. He knows that this could lead to violence, which will discourage some of his supporters from demonstrating and dissuade others from joining him. In addition, the regime will accuse him of politicizing Friday prayers (which is the regime's prerogative). Many of Mousavi's supporters are highly conservative people who believe in the fundamental value of the Islamic Republic, but do not care for Ahmadinejad and his antics. Having them with him strengthens his hand. Losing them will marginalize him. He has now decided to hold his next march on Saturday, and he will be joined by former President Mohammad Khatami.

410 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:20:51pm

re: #397 califleftyb

Not only did the Saudi King gave Obama a medal, he gave him an honorary title too; the "Sultan of Swat."

There's a joke waiting happen about Clinton with that line.
/my bad

411 callahan23  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:20:55pm

re: #375 Alouette

I saw this joke some time ago here on LGF, can't remember who posted it though:

This joke explains all you need to know about Israeli-Palestinian politics.


What happens when a fly falls into a coffee cup?

The Italian - throws the cup, breaks it, and walks away in a fit of rage.

The German - carefully washes the cup, sterilizes it and makes a new cup of coffee.

The Frenchman - takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.

The Chinese - eats the fly and throws away the coffee.

The Russian - Drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no charge.

The Israeli - sells the coffee to the Frenchman, sells the fly to the Chinese, sells the cup to the Italian, drinks a cup of tea, and uses the extra money to invent a device that prevents flies from falling into coffee.

The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling into his coffee, protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, the Chinese, the German and the Russian are all trying to explain to the Israeli that he should give away his cup of tea to the Palestinian.

412 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:21:13pm

re: #406 J.S.

no, you set them free -- in a field (the hawks will get 'em)...

That's the ticket. Or just pull their little tongues out with a tweezer.

413 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:22:36pm

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

That's the ticket. Or just pull their little tongues out with a tweezer.

I bet you wanted to be a dentist when you were a young lad in Brooklyn?

414 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:22:58pm

Message to other species: I am the apex animal. If you taste good, I am apt to kill and eat you. If you piss me off I am apt to eradicate your unwanted ass and others of your ilk - yes, I'm talkin' to you fire ants (stepped on one of their lawn bunkers today, they hurt me and I took great joy in watching them twist and die after striking back with my commercially bagged chemical weapon of mass destruction).

Like that (as per TFK)

415 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:23:29pm

re: #400 Nevergiveup

01:40 FBI finds child porn on computer belonging to Holocaust museum gunman (AP)

Yeah, this guys' got a bright future? He should be begging the nurses and guards to kill him.

Wow. There's clearly nothing too low for this guy. What a miserable, hatefilled person.

416 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:24:31pm

re: #119 Sharmuta

Where is The Onion? This is a story made for them.

Reality is in severe competition with the Onion.

417 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:25:17pm

re: #384 flutesnoot

Nicholas Cage apparently ate a live cockroach in the 1988 move Vampire's Kiss. Not for kicks, it was in the script. I remember reading an article in the paper about some animal rights group; can't remember if it was PETA, sending out a press release condemning the act. If it wasn't PETA, it might have been PETI.


Once, on a dare, my son ate a live cricket. The weird part was, it was in Sunday school. I have no idea what that was supposed to prove, except that he was crazy enough to eat a cricket on a dare.

418 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:26:17pm

re: #403 reine.de.tout

Yes,that's what I keep hearing. Hundreds of thousands of people, standing quietly with signs.

At night, going out onto their rooftops.

The lack of violence among the protestors might be one reason that various authority groups are not doing violence. (police, military, I can't recall, still goofy from oral surgery this morning)

How are you doing? Enjoying the drugs, obviously.

419 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:26:39pm

re: #413 Nevergiveup

I bet you wanted to be a dentist when you were a young lad in Brooklyn?

Nooo. My dentist was a Hungarian guy, who had his office in the front room of his basement brownstone apartment, had a entrance in front of the brownstone, you walked down a small stairwell, and entered.

You could see to the sidewalk through little high windows. This was the 50's and this guy used NO pain killers or gas when he drilled a cavity.

He would tell me to hold on tight to the chair, that was it. I was so terrified of dentists, that after I got out of my teens, I barely would go near a dentist unless it was an emergency.

Bad move, I'm paying a lot out of my pocket now getting these things in my mouth taken care of, but, this dentist was like really scary.

Never got over that.

420 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:26:58pm

City: Workers Must Wear Underwear
Deodorant Also Included In Florida City's Revised Dress Code
A Florida city has written common sense into its employee dress code: Wear underwear to work.
VIDEO: Reaction %P% SURVEY: Agree?
IMAGES: More Strange Stories
The Brooksville city council recently approved a revised dress code as part of its effort to update existing policies.
The revision instructs employees to observe "strict personal hygiene," including the use of deodorant. It lists "the observable lack of undergarments and exposed undergarments" as "unacceptable attire."
It also prohibits clothing with foul language or messages promoting drug use, "sexually provocative" garments, halter tops and piercings anywhere except the ears.
Repeat offenders can be fired.
The city council approved the dress code 4-1. Mayor Joe Bernadini opposed the revision, saying the underwear edict "takes away freedom of choice."

Bet all these people are just so proud of themselves?

421 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:27:08pm

Tonight on National Geographic Presents:

Barack Obama: Big Game Hunter

422 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:28:11pm

re: #418 doppelganglander

How are you doing? Enjoying the drugs, obviously.

heh-heh.
Can't see straight or type right. I keep hafving to correct.
Need sometihng "soft' (hm, ice cream? yeah!) to eat and then can take a lortab which I need right now, starting to hurt. My whole jaw feels like it was broken.
*sniff*
Poor, pitiful me.

423 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:28:34pm

re: #417 doppelganglander

Once, on a dare, my son ate a live cricket. The weird part was, it was in Sunday school. I have no idea what that was supposed to prove, except that he was crazy enough to eat a cricket on a dare.


Yuck.

Toasting crickets in a toaster isn't a good idea either.

424 Armywife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:28:56pm

PETA is right on track here, guys. When he killed that fly, it represented his want and desire to kill anything that gets in his way or for whatever reason, gets on his nerves. It also reinforces his quest to rule the world with or without a birth certificate. He simply doesn't care about anything but himself, and just as he smooshed that fly, he will smoosh you and me.

/ I can't believe I typed that with a straight face.

425 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:29:27pm

re: #10 unrealizedviewpoint

I had no idea flies were animals.

You can join SPLAT:
The Society for the Prevention of Litlle Animal Tragedies

426 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:30:01pm

re: #422 reine.de.tout

heh-heh.
Can't see straight or type right. I keep hafving to correct.
Need sometihng "soft' (hm, ice cream? yeah!) to eat and then can take a lortab which I need right now, starting to hurt. My whole jaw feels like it was broken.
*sniff*
Poor, pitiful me.

I'd go with a milkshake. Chick-fil-A's peach shake is surprisingly good, but if you have a Bruster's, their peach is amazing. Assuming you like peach, as all right-thinking people should. Feel better soon!

And with that, I'm off to dinner.

427 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:30:03pm

The writers at the Onion said, DAMN.re: #424 Armywife

PETA is right on track here, guys. When he killed that fly, it represented his want and desire to kill anything that gets in his way or for whatever reason, gets on his nerves. It also reinforces his quest to rule the world with or without a birth certificate. He simply doesn't care about anything but himself, and just as he smooshed that fly, he will smoosh you and me.

/ I can't believe I typed that with a straight face.

The fly wouldn't unclench.

428 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:30:26pm

re: #423 rightymouse

Yuck.

Toasting crickets in a toaster isn't a good idea either.

I'm not going to ask how you know that. And now I really am out.

429 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:31:02pm

re: #393 iceweasel

Define 'sentient'. Does it mean capable of experiencing pain? Capable of something approaching thought? Or something else?

Lotta variation on the phylogenetic scale, and lots of people aren't going to worry about worms, or ants, etc.

To me, "sentient" equals "shows evidence of actual thought". I was just reading The Hot Zone by Richard Preston, and in describing monkey behavior in reference to the 1989 Reston, VA. monkey Ebola micro-outbreak, I was struck by how dangerous the monkeys were to the 91-Tango decon team from USAMRIID, just because the little beasts could react very quickly- and offensively- to anything the decon team did. They were euthanizing all 450+ monkeys one at a time after taking blood samples; I'd have sleep-gassed the whole facility first, then taken the samples, then lethal-gassed the place. The way they did it was unacceptably dangerous to the personnel involved, IMHO.

Now imagine how dangerous those monkeys could have been if their planning ability extended to more than "fling poo", "scrawl on wall with poo on fingers", and "scream, leap, bite and claw human's face".

/Definitely worth reading, but scary.

cheers

eon

430 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:31:28pm

Didn't know PETA had a "Fly Liberation Army", didya.

431 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:32:03pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

Looks like mousavi made a change of plans...
Mousavi has decided to duck a confrontation at Friday prayers and is prepping for a Saturday rally:

Appears to confirm this tweet from Persiankiwi, usually reliable:


CONFIRMED - MOUSAVI & KAROUBI ask supporters NOT to attend Friday prayers inTehran - #Iranelection RT RT RT

The tweets have also indicated suspicions of government intervention in their operations. Sorry if that sounds goofy, I'm goofy right now

432 LatinGent  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:32:05pm

re: #372 ShanghaiEd

Okay, my Devil's Advocate hat is on. Which of these moral statements comes closest to your personal principles, in practice of daily life:

(1) It's not good to kill sentient creatures.

(2) It's not good to kill sentient creatures unnecessarily.

(3) Hell with 'em. Survival of the fittest.

(4) Other

(I'll make this brief, and limit it to this thread.)


Whatever makes the best steak.

433 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:32:13pm

Here's Bill Staines singing the Black Fly Song. If anyone from PETA were forced to live in Quebec during black fly season, they would go stark raving mad. Of course that wouldn't be a long trip.

Youtube Video
434 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:32:19pm

In related news? KFC's grilled chicken has beef in its seasoning.

435 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:32:25pm

re: #430 fat bastard vegetarian

Didn't know PETA had a "Fly Liberation Army", didya.

A fly is eating your cake at this very moment.

436 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:32:45pm

re: #426 doppelganglander

I'd go with a milkshake. Chick-fil-A's peach shake is surprisingly good, but if you have a Bruster's, their peach is amazing. Assuming you like peach, as all right-thinking people should. Feel better soon!

And with that, I'm off to dinner.

Oh, yeah, just rub it in!
You get to have dinner.
all I get is a lousy milkshake

437 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:32:51pm

re: #425 solomonpanting

You can join SPLAT:
The Society for the Prevention of Litlle Animal Tragedies

I heard that the President of this Society asked her local authorities to remove the deer crossing sign on her street so they would stop being hit by cars.

438 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:33:14pm

re: #435 DEZes

He is a former fly.

439 rightymouse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:33:25pm

re: #428 doppelganglander

I'm not going to ask how you know that. And now I really am out.


It happened and it wasn't pretty.

440 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:33:29pm

re: #420 Nevergiveup

What? you MUST wear undies? How am I to look fly with panty lines I ask you?

441 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:34:01pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

Sometimes, I just don't understand the upding dynamic.

I thought my "swat team" joke was so-so, and it's going through the roof.

I thought "over-a-Cheever" was fookin' brilliant, and so far, just one upding.

Just goes to show you. It's always something. If it's not one thing, it's another.

You dissin' my sense of humor?

442 DEZes  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:34:17pm

re: #438 fat bastard vegetarian

He is a former fly.

Murderer.
*Gollum*

443 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:34:23pm

Someone should call PETA and report an injured fly, just to see how they respond. If they don't take it seriously, they should be asked to show a little more compassion to even “the least sympathetic animals.”

444 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:34:43pm

Anybody remember "Fearless Fly" the cartoon? Loved that cartoon.

445 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:35:12pm

re: #437 rightymouse

I heard that the President of this Society asked her local authorities to remove the deer crossing sign on her street so they would stop being hit by cars.

"If you build the sign, they will come."

446 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:36:22pm

Fearless Fly!

447 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:36:22pm

re: #420 Nevergiveup

City: Workers Must Wear Underwear
Deodorant Also Included In Florida City's Revised Dress Code
A Florida city has written common sense into its employee dress code: Wear underwear to work.
VIDEO: Reaction %P% SURVEY: Agree?
IMAGES: More Strange Stories
The Brooksville city council recently approved a revised dress code as part of its effort to update existing policies.
The revision instructs employees to observe "strict personal hygiene," including the use of deodorant. It lists "the observable lack of undergarments and exposed undergarments" as "unacceptable attire."
It also prohibits clothing with foul language or messages promoting drug use, "sexually provocative" garments, halter tops and piercings anywhere except the ears.
Repeat offenders can be fired.
The city council approved the dress code 4-1. Mayor Joe Bernadini opposed the revision, saying the underwear edict "takes away freedom of choice."

Bet all these people are just so proud of themselves?

It's unfortunate that dress codes have to include such items.
I had to counsel a manager once who did not know how to approach an employee who was obviously not wearing deodorant or brushing teeth. The other employees would spray the phone with lysol before using it after this person.
I don't understand what goes through some people's heads when they get dressed for work in the morning.

448 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:36:48pm

Only 6 percent of Jewish Israelis consider the views of American President Barack Obama's administration pro-Israel, according to a new Jerusalem Post-sponsored Smith Research poll.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Now when will American Jews wake up?

449 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:37:20pm

re: #429 eon

To me, "sentient" equals "shows evidence of actual thought".

That's going to be a high bar to meet, then, depending on what we mean by 'thought'. A lot of creatures won't pass it. Chickens, fish, maybe even some of the overly domesticated animals like sheep, which apparently are profoundly stupid.

In re: the Hot Zone-- god, isn't that an amazing book? Completely terrifying!

450 anubis_soundwave  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:37:26pm

re: #344 zoidberg

I posted a message on that blog entry (http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/06/obama_and_th e_f.php), but they haven't approved it-

I thought it was reasonable, obviously PETA didn't!

Actually, it's closer to 1460.97 minutes, per your numbers. :) Your overall point still stands.

I. Hate. PETA.

451 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:37:37pm

re: #381 eon

I'm against breaking unsentient rocks unnecessarily. Not that I love rocks. I'm just lazy.

I like the Native American attitude - it's OK to kill something if you have a reason, apologize, and offer appropriate thanks to its spirit.

452 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:38:04pm

I see Bruce Freidrich of PETA made a statement. He's got to be one of the biggest weasels out there. He even looks the part.

I don't suppose he drives during the summer months and "executes" thousands of bugs during his journeys. Heck, even when I was a cyclist I'd collide and swallow many a bug.

453 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:38:48pm

re: #434 fat bastard vegetarian

If you think THAT is disturbing, crunch berries aren't fruit and there isn't a damn thing you can do about the false advertising.

[Link: boingboing.net...]

454 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:38:56pm

re: #421 solomonpanting

Tonight on National Geographic Presents:

Barack Obama: Big Game Hunter

Monty Python- Mosquito Hunter

One of the Funniest. Python.Skits. Ever.

Palin & Chapman's twisted genius at its best.

cheers

eon

455 alkmyst  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:39:28pm

0bama kills fly, PETA complains...

Hamas uses exploding horses...

-crickets-

456 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:39:34pm

Fearless Fly opening sequence...

457 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:40:01pm

re: #434 fat bastard vegetarian

In related news? KFC's grilled chicken has beef in its seasoning.

Hey FBV, I saw that. Pretty f-d up.

You would know better than I, I suspect, but wasn't there some kind of scandal about McDonald's fries not being completely vegetarian? Trace amounts of beef fat used in the frying or something?

I don't remember the details and it might just be an urban rumour. My hazy memory suggests it was a problem or scandal in India.

458 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:40:07pm

Coming up next!

"I brake for house flies."

/

459 screaming_eagle  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:40:09pm

Need to send some of these PETA fuckers to the middle of the desert for a couple of weeks and find out if they don't flip out and start killing flies.

460 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:40:44pm

re: #447 reine.de.tout

I bet we could share some "personal hygiene" stories, couldn't we? I've told more than my fair share of people old enough to be my parents to take a shower already. My favorite excuse thus far? I'm allergic to soap. My response? You aren't allergic to water! True story.

461 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:40:54pm

I wonder if PETA would complain about killing this fly.


[Link: joecartoon.atom.com...]

462 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:40:55pm

One of my favorite songs (and I don't normally listen to the guy):

Tim Buckley, Buzzin' Fly

Youtube Video
463 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:41:12pm

re: #457 iceweasel

Nope. Was true.

464 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:41:58pm

re: #453 ArmyWife

If you think THAT is disturbing, crunch berries aren't fruit and there isn't a damn thing you can do about the false advertising.

[Link: boingboing.net...]

I knew there were going to be problems with New Marketing someday...
I mean..After 2000 years how long can you keep calling the New Testament new?

465 eon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:42:20pm

re: #449 iceweasel

That's going to be a high bar to meet, then, depending on what we mean by 'thought'. A lot of creatures won't pass it. Chickens, fish, maybe even some of the overly domesticated animals like sheep, which apparently are profoundly stupid.

In re: the Hot Zone-- god, isn't that an amazing book? Completely terrifying!

I don't know what's scarier about it- the events described, or the last chapter when Preston, the author, starts talking about how Ebola, Marburg, AIDS, etc., may be "Earth's way of protecting itself against the parasites now infesting it", i.e. humanity.

/I get concerned when supposedly smart people seem to be going "Rainbow Six"- meaning Clancy's original novel scenario, not the video games.

cheers

eon

466 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:42:32pm

re: #451 itellu3times

What is the appropriate thanks for this occasion? Gift offering of dog poop?

Speaking of, time to walk the critters.

467 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:43:19pm

re: #460 ArmyWife

I bet we could share some "personal hygiene" stories, couldn't we? I've told more than my fair share of people old enough to be my parents to take a shower already. My favorite excuse thus far? I'm allergic to soap. My response? You aren't allergic to water! True story.

In my past life as squad leader I had to counsel more than 1 young soldier to shower and wear clean clothes. Kind of hard to do that one day and then argue for a promotion the next.

468 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:43:44pm

re: #372 ShanghaiEd

Okay, my Devil's Advocate hat is on. Which of these moral statements comes closest to your personal principles, in practice of daily life:

(1) It's not good to kill sentient creatures.

(2) It's not good to kill sentient creatures unnecessarily.

(3) Hell with 'em. Survival of the fittest.

(4) Other

(I'll make this brief, and limit it to this thread.)

I'll go with 2)

But as flies spread disease and are surely only minimally sentient I think killing one in the living space of a higher creature could be easily justified on utilitarian grounds.

469 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:44:26pm

re: #460 ArmyWife

I bet we could share some "personal hygiene" stories, couldn't we? I've told more than my fair share of people old enough to be my parents to take a shower already. My favorite excuse thus far? I'm allergic to soap. My response? You aren't allergic to water! True story.

ArmyWife - you wouldn't believe the "war" stories.
One supervisor came to me once;
Employee going into the bathroom for LOOONG periods of time.
Apparently using the empty toilet paper tubes for very personal use.
When the inmate cleaning crew refused to keep cleaning - THEY CAME TO ME! wtf? Hundreds of stories.

470 SevereTyreDamage  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:45:23pm

He's got a plan
to stick it to the Man.
He's Super Hood
Super High
Super Dude
Super Fly.


Youtube Video
471 alkmyst  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:50:05pm

Hopefully soon?

m>re: #448 Nevergiveup

Only 6 percent of Jewish Israelis consider the views of American President Barack Obama's administration pro-Israel, according to a new Jerusalem Post-sponsored Smith Research poll.

[Link: [Link: www.jpost.com...]...]

Now when will American Jews wake up?

472 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:50:29pm

re: #424 Armywife

PETA is right on track here, guys. When he killed that fly, it represented his want and desire to kill anything that gets in his way or for whatever reason, gets on his nerves. It also reinforces his quest to rule the world with or without a birth certificate. He simply doesn't care about anything but himself, and just as he smooshed that fly, he will smoosh you and me.

/ I can't believe I typed that with a straight face.

Me either! Killed a fly! Riiight!
/zero would never harm a fly

473 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:51:55pm

What I want to know is PETA's view of animals killing animals.

My dog is so fast he can catch rats in my urban back yard. They are dead within seconds. He doesn't fool around.

Bad dog, PETA? What about lions?

Anyway, I was just reading More's Utopia on the Kindle in bed, and a fly landed next to me. I killed it. With nary a thought. Just as a virus would kill me.

So what is their take on viruses?

474 hazzyday  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:56:01pm

Time for a cheeseburger. Whenever I see the word PETA I get a craving for a cheeseburger.

475 fat bastard vegetarian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 4:56:09pm

re: #473 Cato the Elder

Cato, I can speak to the PETA issues. Being a vegetarian, I am up on many of the issues that PETA holds dear. I'll sum it up in this way.

They're assholes. Sanctimonious jerks.

Hypocrites too.

476 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:00:01pm

re: #473 Cato the Elder

Don't know about PETA but check this out:

[Link: www.hedweb.com...]

From the abstract of their epically bullet-biting manifesto -

This manifesto outlines a strategy to eradicate suffering in all sentient life. The abolitionist project is ambitious, implausible, but technically feasible. It is defended here on ethical utilitarian grounds. Genetic engineering and nanotechnology allow Homo sapiens to discard the legacy-wetware of our evolutionary past. Our post-human successors will rewrite the vertebrate genome, redesign the global ecosystem, and abolish suffering throughout the living world.

477 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:04:39pm

re: #475 fat bastard vegetarian

Cato, I can speak to the PETA issues. Being a vegetarian, I am up on many of the issues that PETA holds dear. I'll sum it up in this way.

They're assholes. Sanctimonious jerks.

Hypocrites too.

Hmm. Who'da thunk? I think I recall reading about one of their spokeswomen one time being asked what she would to if she were in a lifeboat with a man and a chicken. She said, eat the man and save the chicken.

Did you ever see the "Vegetarian Lisa" episode of the Simpsons? I'll never forget the vegetarian lion - coughing up teeth from lack of protein...

(I totally respect rational vegetarians, by the way. My brother is trying to be one, with occasional backsliding. I wanted to be one when I was 12 but my physician father told me all kinds of horror stories about my hair falling out that bought at the time. He was my dad, and a doctor. Later of course I realized it was all bunk. I still love General Tso's Tofu better than the chicken version.)

478 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:07:05pm

re: #476 Jimmah

Don't know about PETA but check this out:

[Link: www.hedweb.com...]

From the abstract of their epically bullet-biting manifesto -

Heh. Eradicating suffering in all sentient life. Someone should bring that up with God.

I know that's the Bodhisattva's job, but what is these guys' excuse?

479 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:07:34pm

re: #381 eon

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I consider myself a (2) as well.

480 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:09:34pm

re: #393 iceweasel

Define 'sentient'. Does it mean capable of experiencing pain? Capable of something approaching thought? Or something else?

Lotta variation on the phylogenetic scale, and lots of people aren't going to worry about worms, or ants, etc.

Ah-hah! It comes down to the definition of "sentient," and it comes down to the definition of "unnecessarily." A judgment call. Anybody disagree?

481 garden18  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:10:50pm

The Nazi regime instituted laws against animal experimentation and Hitler had a great fondness for animals. Ever since, as a child, I saw Hitler smiling with his dogs I have had problems with people who put animals on a pedestal. No, not all animal lovers are Nazis, but I can't help feeling that an obsessive concern for animal welfare comes at the expense of a similar concern for human welfare. Witness the work of Peter Singer, the Princeton professor and stuanch animal rights activist, who believes in euthanizing disabled children.

482 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:11:50pm

re: #432 LatinGent

Whatever makes the best steak.

Hard to argue that.

483 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:12:50pm

re: #372 ShanghaiEd

Okay, my Devil's Advocate hat is on. Which of these moral statements comes closest to your personal principles, in practice of daily life:

(1) It's not good to kill sentient creatures.

(2) It's not good to kill sentient creatures unnecessarily.

(3) Hell with 'em. Survival of the fittest.

(4) Other

(I'll make this brief, and limit it to this thread.)

#2.
The trick is to define what is "necessary" and what is "unnecessary".

Anything tha buzzes around my head (or crawls at my feet) and stings or bites me and for generally no good purpose makes my life miserable falls into the "necessary" category.

484 tradewind  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:13:18pm

re: #481 garden18

There's room for both. Loving and rescuing animals and loving your fellow man are not mutually exclusive pursuits.

485 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:15:58pm

re: #468 Jimmah

I'll go with 2)

But as flies spread disease and are surely only minimally sentient I think killing one in the living space of a higher creature could be easily justified on utilitarian grounds.

I agree. Well-reasoned, I think.

486 tradewind  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:16:11pm
Here’s the device the President will be using from now on when a fly gets in the White House


(Wanna bet?... ...)
I know... you're joking...

487 Flame Fin Tomini Tang  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:18:31pm

I haven't read anything except the OP, and no links.

Please please tell me this is an Onion article; please.

488 garden18  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:19:17pm

re: #484 tradewind

You are no doubt correct. But where love for animals is obsessive, there is often a lack or absence of affection for other people.

489 tradewind  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:19:25pm

re: #487 Naso Tang
Sadly, no.

490 tradewind  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:22:00pm

re: #488 garden18

I understand your point. Obsessive is the key, and I would add that an obsessive love for even another person tends to exclude or limit one's feelings for other people.

491 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:23:10pm

re: #483 reine.de.tout

#2.
The trick is to define what is "necessary" and what is "unnecessary".

Anything tha buzzes around my head (or crawls at my feet) and stings or bites me and for generally no good purpose makes my life miserable falls into the "necessary" category.

Good point. A matter of definition.

Although, how can we know whether an insect's activity is "to no good purpose" unless we know that purpose? And who of us can? And...

OK, my Devil's Advocate hat is off and I'm dousing myself with a bucket of cold water. Thanks for humoring me. In a moment I'll deliver my little homily and move on to new threads.

492 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:23:41pm

re: #481 garden18

This is a stretch, if you don't mind my saying so. I am a HUGE animal person - 3 dogs, a cat, 3 horses and I love them all. They are spoiled and I talk to them like babies. I'm also rather fond of human kind, too. Well, when my daughter turned 13 it was questionable for a bit... ;)

493 garden18  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:24:11pm

re: #490 tradewind

Well said.

494 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:24:18pm

Islam, some of you may recall, has its own take on flies:

When Did Mohammed Say to Dip a Fly in Your Drink?

"If a fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure (antidote for the disease) (1). Footnote (1) says "See Hadith no.673 vol.7th (for details)" Bukhari vol.4 book 54 ch.15 no.531 prior p.335.

"Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, ‘If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." Bukhari vol.4 book 54 ch.16 no.537 p.338.

By the way, a well-fed fly defecates every five minutes according to http://www.thebestcontrol.com/bugstop/control_flies.htm.

Abu Hureira had perfect memory: "Narrated Abu Huraira: I said to Allah’s Apostle ‘I hear many narrations (Hadiths) from you but I forget them.’ Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Spread your Rida (garment)’ I did accordingly and then he moved his hands as if filling them with something (and emptied them in my Rida) and then said, ‘Take and wrap this sheet over your body.’ I did it and after that I never forgot any thing." Bukhari vol.1 book 3 ch.43 no.119 p.89. Also Bukhari vol.4 book 56 ch.27 no.841 p.538; Bukhari vol.9 ch.23 no.452 p.332.

"Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, ‘If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (1) (antidote for it) i.e. the treatment for that disease." Bukhari vol.7 book 71 ch.58 no.673 p.452-453.

Footnote (1) says, "Medically it is well known now that a fly carries some pathagens on some parts of its body as mentioned by the Prophet (before 1400 years. approx. when the humans knew very little of modern medicine.) Similarly Allah created organisms and other mechanisms which kill these pathagens e.g. penicillin Fungus kills pathogenic organisms like Staphalococci and others etc. Recently experiments have been done under supervision which indicate that a fly carries the disease (pathagens) plus the antidote for those organ-isms. Ordinarily when a fly touches a liquid food it infects the liquid with its pathogens, so it must be dipped in order to release also the antidote for those pathogens to act as a counter balance to the pathogens. Regarding this subject I also wrote through a friend of mine to Dr. Muhammad M. El-SAMAHY chief of Hadith Dept. in Al-Azhar University CAIRO (Egypt) who has written an article upon this Hadith and as regards medical aspects he has mentioned that the microbiologists have proved that there are longitudinal yeast cells living as parasites inside the belly of the fly and these yeast cells in order to repeat their life-cycle protrude through respiratory tubules of the fly and if the fly is dipped in liquid, these cells burst in the fluid and the content of those cells is an antidote for the pathogens which the fly carries."

Note that the Bukhari footnote quotes this Dr. from the Hadith department; they did not get a quote from the medical or health department.

Almost all modern medical doctors, if they are not Muslim, would laugh at deliberately dipping a fly in your drink.

No shit!

495 notutopia  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:24:39pm

Historical Parallel: Lincoln Too Had an Encounter With a Fly
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

496 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:25:50pm

re: #467 soxfan4life

At least you could order it done. In HR we have to handle these things with some sensitivity. At least in the beginning. ;)

497 odorlesspaintthinner  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:25:54pm

I thought there were no flies on Obama.

498 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:27:13pm

re: #478 Cato the Elder

Heh. Eradicating suffering in all sentient life. Someone should bring that up with God.

I know that's the Bodhisattva's job, but what is these guys' excuse?

I think they see 'post-human' life as being equivalent to God. Ludicrous in the extreme as this manifesto is, I have a sneaky admiration for their willingness to take the compassion argument to it's absolute conclusion. "Yeah what about the suffering animals cause to each other? We're gonna put a stop to that too!"

499 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:28:56pm

from Judaism and ethical treatment of animals:

A fly or bug that fell into a beverage cup or into a bowl of soup
may be removed only if some of the liquid is removed along with it.

Swimming on Shabbos is prohibited, even in an enclosed swimming pool.

500 hopperandadropper  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:32:01pm

I'm waiting to see if Obama starts wearing a belt inscribed "Seven at One Blow".

501 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:33:11pm

re: #476 Jimmah

And of course that little project ignores the ancient philosophical truism that a state of uninterrupted bliss would be impossible to distinguish from boredom or entropy to the one experiencing it. Without something to contrast it with, "good" has no meaning. No hunger, no appetite. Even the Beatific Vision must involve variations and degrees. Perhaps Hell exists that the saints may know their blessed state in relation to it; and the dwellers in the Inferno are actually in a state of bliss because they serve that function.

How many angels can dance on the skull of a pinhead?

502 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:44:06pm

My point, if I have one: I once interviewed, for a magazine article, a philosophy Ph.D. whose specialty was medical ethics. One of the questions I put to him was, "Considering that we can look back in history and see once-common practices that we're now outraged by...slavery, subjugation of women, etc...what part of our current lives will generations of 200-300 years from now look back on with horror, at how primitive we were?"

His answer surprised me: "The frightening part is, we don't have any way of knowing. No matter how egregious a practice is, there's always a way for human nature to justify it, in light of what we know at the time."

Hit me like a ton of bricks. What I took away from that conversation is that being civilized is an inexact and ongoing process, which is achieved only by constantly re-examining the "common wisdom." Even when it seems trivial, or is a pain in the a**. Maybe especially when it seems trivial, or is a pain in the a**.

Which is how I got to be the way I am. (Translation: a pain in the a**.) That fact notwithstanding, I appreciate you welcoming me here.

End of sermon. For now.

503 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:48:25pm

re: #502 ShanghaiEd

. . .

His answer surprised me: "The frightening part is, we don't have any way of knowing. No matter how egregious a practice is, there's always a way for human nature to justify it, in light of what we know at the time."

Hit me like a ton of bricks. What I took away from that conversation is that being civilized is an inexact and ongoing process, which is achieved only by constantly re-examining the "common wisdom." Even when it seems trivial, or is a pain in the a**. Maybe especially when it seems trivial, or is a pain in the a**.. . ..

I liked your sermon. Very interesting.

504 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:52:42pm

re: #476 Jimmah

Don't know about PETA but check this out:

[Link: www.hedweb.com...]

From the abstract of their epically bullet-biting manifesto -

Very interesting link. Thanks.

505 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:53:35pm

re: #491 ShanghaiEd

Good point. A matter of definition.

Although, how can we know whether an insect's activity is "to no good purpose" unless we know that purpose? And who of us can? And...

OK, my Devil's Advocate hat is off and I'm dousing myself with a bucket of cold water. Thanks for humoring me. In a moment I'll deliver my little homily and move on to new threads.

My definition of "no good purpose" for this was very simple: anything that causes me grief.

And frankly,the dog next door who killed 2 of my cats and threatened another neighbor while she was out walking her baby - that falls into the "causes me grief" category. Fortunately for the neighborhood, the dog finally took a fatal trip into traffic.

A fly, whatever, that does me no grief but is simply part of the food chain - NO PROBLEM FOR ME.

506 deWildcats  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:55:10pm

re: #165 deWildcats

I have a device that traps flies ... and kills them DEAD

I must add "Flies land on SHIT"

507 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:56:49pm

Speaking of real life:

My college friend who lives in Malaysia was summoned before dawn this morning by a ruckus in the chicken coop, where he was obliged to shorten the life - and length - of a gigantic python that had already killed a broody hen. With a shotgun.

His neighbor, an indigenous tribesman, gets the headless corpse to sell.

508 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:58:15pm

re: #505 reine.de.tout

My definition of "no good purpose" for this was very simple: anything that causes me grief.

Yeah, that's pretty much my definition, too. I was just taking my argument to its (il)logical conclusion, before I flared out.

509 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:03:17pm

re: #507 Cato the Elder

Speaking of real life:

My college friend who lives in Malaysia was summoned before dawn this morning by a ruckus in the chicken coop, where he was obliged to shorten the life - and length - of a gigantic python that had already killed a broody hen. With a shotgun.

His neighbor, an indigenous tribesman, gets the headless corpse to sell.

Wait, the python killed the hen with a shotgun?

510 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:03:45pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

And on that subject, there's a poem by James Dickey that intrigues me. I don't buy its "logic," but I fervently wish it were so:

THE HEAVEN OF ANIMALS

By James L. Dickey

Here they are. The soft eyes open.
If they have lived in a wood
It is a wood.
If they have lived on plains
It is grass rolling
Under their feet forever.

Having no souls, they have come,
Anyway, beyond their knowing.
Their instincts wholly bloom
And they rise.
The soft eyes open.

To match them, the landscape flowers,
Outdoing, desperately
Outdoing what is required:
The richest wood,
The deepest field.

For some of these,
It could not be the place
It is, without blood.
These hunt, as they have done,
But with claws and teeth grown perfect,

More deadly than they can believe.
They stalk more silently,
And crouch on the limbs of trees,
And their descent
Upon the bright backs of their prey

May take years
In a sovereign floating of joy.
And those that are hunted
Know this as their life,
Their reward: to walk

Under such trees in full knowledge
Of what is in glory above them,
And to feel no fear,
But acceptance, compliance.
Fulfilling themselves without pain

At the cycle’s center,
They tremble, they walk
Under the tree,
They fall, they are torn,
They rise, they walk again.

511 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:04:31pm

re: #501 Cato the Elder

I can buy the idea that a brain could be constructed that was capable of unending bliss without succumbing to boredom, but I can't see how such a creature, bereft of the capacity for pain or suffering, could feel any empathy for any other creature.

512 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:10:19pm

re: #511 Jimmah

I can buy the idea that a brain could be constructed that was capable of unending bliss without succumbing to boredom, but I can't see how such a creature, bereft of the capacity for pain or suffering, could feel any empathy for any other creature.

Here's a stretch: What if that brain could be imprinted with a memory of pain and suffering, strictly for benchmark purposes? Or would that memory be valid if it weren't come by "honestly," i.e. from experiencing actual pain and suffering?

513 Flame Fin Tomini Tang  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:11:58pm

re: #505 reine.de.tout

My definition of "no good purpose" for this was very simple: anything that causes me grief.

...

All life has a purpose; as Darwin might have said, and the fact that it doesn't coincide with your purpose is why things evolve. Eventually flies might evolve to be faster than an Obama,

and then we would have so much less to discuss.//

514 Flame Fin Tomini Tang  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:13:24pm

re: #511 Jimmah

I can buy the idea that a brain could be constructed that was capable of unending bliss without succumbing to boredom, but I can't see how such a creature, bereft of the capacity for pain or suffering, could feel any empathy for any other creature.

You haven't tried any good grass lately, have you?

515 mikalm  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:13:37pm

ODE TO A HOUSEFLY
Philosophical Ruminations on a Beastie in the Booze

Oh, hail to thee, tiny insect so small,
Swimming around in my bourbon highball.
Back-stroking, breast-stroking, movement of wing,
Now up on the ice cube, poor cold little thing.

If you stay there too long, you'll find with remorse,
Your ankles will numb and your buzz will get hoarse.
Catching cold is unpleasant for all little flies,
Bloodshot is gruesome for multiprism eyes.

Some people hate flies, take my old Cousin Sam,
He gets in a snit when you sit in his jam.
I've seen sister Sally turn red as a beet
When you walk on her nose with your six sticky feet.

When you walk on the ceiling, your brow seems to frown,
Does blood go to your head, when you stand upside down?
My optometrist friend, a dear boy named Rex,
Makes bifocals for flies - he calls them fly specs.

Now you're coughing because you are so full of trouble,
Or is it the bourbon that's making you bubble?
You should get off the ice, the temperature's minus,
You'll get frost in your navel and a wee touch of sinus.

Percy Dovetonsils

516 Aye Pod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:14:31pm

re: #512 ShanghaiEd

Good point! Would there be any meaningful difference, if it was done so that the memory was referenced in exactly the same way as a 'genuine' one would be? You are starting to make me think this could fly...lol.

Alas, I gotta go get some sleep now, at a decent hour for a change. Nite folks:)

517 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:17:24pm

re: #516 Jimmah

Yeah, this hedonism thing can fly. (No pun intended.) We just have to get in on the ground floor. A stock offering first, and then go from there.

Hope you have a good night, Jimmah.

518 SevereTyreDamage  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:19:45pm

re: #515 mikalm

Ernie Kovacs was da bomb!

519 Rev. Jim Sutter  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:39:11pm

Does this mean the President is the White House Swat Team?

520 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:08:31pm

watch out Mr President, this dude is coming after you ...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

521 tradewind  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:11:30pm

re: #500 hopperandadropper

Seven with one and a little blow.

522 Lynn B.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:45pm
“In a nutshell, our position is this: He isn’t the Buddha, he’s a human being, and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.”

All of PETA's positions are expressed in a nutshell. Because ...

THEY'RE ALL NUTS!

/not to mention, that sentence really doesn't make sense.

523 DeathtotheSwiss  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:31:49pm

That device looks...err...painful, in my opinion at least.

524 Former Belgian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:35:27pm

re: #255 DaddyG

"PETArds" was my first reaction when I saw the thread, but you beat me to it. Speak of being "parody-proof".

Maybe PETA putting dogs to sleep by the boatload is revenge for the innocent flies being eaten by dogs? (Small dogs love trying to catch flies.)

As much as I loathe Narcissus Rex, the PETArds almost do the impossible: make me feel sorry for him.

525 Former Belgian  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:52:35pm

re: #481 garden18

The Nazi regime instituted laws against animal experimentation and Hitler had a great fondness for animals. Ever since, as a child, I saw Hitler smiling with his dogs I have had problems with people who put animals on a pedestal. No, not all animal lovers are Nazis, but I can't help feeling that an obsessive concern for animal welfare comes at the expense of a similar concern for human welfare. Witness the work of Peter Singer, the Princeton professor and stuanch animal rights activist, who believes in euthanizing disabled children.

Full disclosure: I am very fond of animals myself (particularly small, intelligent, and feisty dogs :-))

There is of course the logical fallacy of "reductio ad Hitlerum" (a.k.a. argumentum ad Nazium), where something is considered wrong simply because Hitler y"sh (or a similarly odious figure) used to do or advocate it, no matter how unrelated to the acts or ideology for which they gained infamy.

BUt sadly, there are indeed people who are more concerned for animals than for their fellow human beings, and I have zero time for them. In most cases they are malignant narcissists whose "love" of animals is merely a proxy for their contempt of fellow human beings.

526 el polacko  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:27:10am

what i found disturbing was barack's macho posturing after his kill .. like it was some great, manly feat .. even making the cameraman get a shot of his trophy.
there's something wrong with this man.

527 mili  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:01:32am

Animals do kill other other animals for food.
Have PETA idiots ever heard of the food chain?

528 Right Brain  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:29:00pm

Its difficult to have a meaningful discussion with someone having a personal relationship with a house fly.

My answer: RAID


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