Michele Bachmann Draws the Line

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Rep. Michele Bachmann says her family plans not to answer some of the questions on the 2010 census form, because ACORN is involved. She may be fined $5000.

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann told the Washington Times that she and her family will not be fully filling out the 2010 census forms.

Bachmann, a Republican, said her family will only be indicating the number of people in the household, because “the Constitution doesn’t require any information beyond that.”

Bachmann believes the upcoming census to be “very intricate” and “very personal” and expresses concerns about ACORN’s involvement in the data collection. The community organizing program came under scrunity after charges of voter registration fraud during the 2008 presidential elections.

“I think what the threat of ACORN would be deluding the ballot box and the effectiveness of our vote,” she said. “They will be in charge of going door to door and collecting data from the American public, this is very concerning.”

Bachmann also expressed frustration at the president’s backing for ACORN, saying he has supplied $8.4 billion to ACORN since he has come into office, a number that far surpasses the $53 million given in the past 15 years.

“ACORN has received $53 million from 1994 to today, but now, since President Obama has come into office, he is making available $8.5 billion – with a ‘b’ - to ACORN, an organization that is repeatedly under indictment for voter fraud in multiple states across the country,” Bachmann said. “This is the last organization that should have the taxpayer’s wallet open to them but unfortunately, under President Obama, he is multiplying the amount of money available to them.”

Bachmann has claimed the $8.5 billion available multiple times, but it should be noted that the St. Petersburg Times’ affiliated fact check Web site, Politifact.com, disputes its accuracy.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Bachmann may be in trouble if she fails to fill out the entire census. Spokeswoman Shelly Lowe told the Washington Times that anyone over the age of 18 must fill out all the questions and any such person who refuses to answer “any of the questions” faces a $5,000 fine.

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

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1 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:56:07pm

Repost from last thread:

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

In that case, let me carry a torch for her.

2 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:56:11pm
Bachmann believes the upcoming census to be “very intricate” and “very personal”

Where is she getting this idea?

3 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:56:21pm

A great argument for term limits all around

4 Macker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:56:33pm

Now this is BULLSHIT on the Census Bureau’s part.

/Tenth Amendment!

5 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:57:56pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Where is she getting this idea?

Do we know yet what’s on the form?

6 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:58:15pm

Bachmann and Al Franken what is in the water in Minnesota?

7 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:58:48pm

re: #3 soxfan4life

Sorry, charlie. If she keeps being voted in, it’s because her constituents wanted this brand of goofy. What would be nice, though is if the RNC said “Michelle, seriously, some thoughts really can just stay in your head”.

8 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:59:02pm

Bachmann, it should be noted, is also one of the people championing the fired IG Walpin. Whatever legitimate claim Walpin may have, that he chose Bachmann, Judge Napolitano , and Glenn Beck to be his supporters is a sure way to kill any appearance of legitimacy.

9 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 5:59:27pm

re: #5 reine.de.tout

Do we know yet what’s on the form?

I assumed it would be like most other census forms, including number of people and other demographic questions.

10 mattb  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:00:12pm

I did that very thing last census.

Just answered a couple of questions about how many people lived at my address.

I did not answer the race question as I don’t think it should matter to the government.

11 jantjepietje  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:00:23pm

The whole voter fraud thing was utter nonsense I think, but having any organisation take part in a government census is scary if they must do a census let government officials in on it and only government officials

On second thought having a census that is obligatory is in itself bad, maybe even worse.

12 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:00:57pm

re: #7 ArmyWife

Sorry, charlie. If she keeps being voted in, it’s because her constituents wanted this brand of goofy. What would be nice, though is if the RNC said “Michelle, seriously, some thoughts really can just stay in your head”.


How many Reps and Senators get reelected due to their seniority? Term limits would bring new blood and make lawmakers pass laws that would afffect them after they leave office.

13 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:00:58pm

That said, I am NOT thrilled at ALL with how this census thing is going down myself, but thus far, my anger isn’t directed at the nature of the questions.

14 researchok  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:01:35pm

So exactly what does Bachmann’s accomplish and to what end?

Whatever issues she (and a whole lot of other people) have with Acorn, they didn’t devise the questionnaire.

15 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:01:38pm

WTF does ACORN have to do with the census questions?

16 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:01:46pm

re: #4 Macker

What does the tenth amendment have to do with this? The federal government has the authority for the census.

17 mattb  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:01:58pm

Oh, and Bachmann is absolutely right to bring attention to ACORN’s role.

18 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:02:00pm

re: #12 soxfan4life

Can’t get there with you, sorry. I do wish the RNC would take their good brain out of their back pockets, though, and use it for something other than a cushion.

19 Right mind left  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:02:16pm

I heard it asks all kinds of questions about income, number of TV’s and stuff like that in addition to the race/gender questions. It will be really frustrating if that is the case that if it is not complete you pay a fine or worse.

I do know they are GPS locating every house, they seemed upset that I stopped them at the driveway, they said they were supposed to ping at the front door.

20 Gearhead  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:02:21pm
any such person who refuses to answer “any of the questions” faces a $5,000 fine.

I normally try to refrain from profanity, but that’s a load of shit - an attempt by the govt to intimidate private citizens.

21 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:02:53pm

re: #15 unrealizedviewpoint

WTF does ACORN have to do with the census questions?

Nothing. She’s conflating issues to scare people. Politicians do it all the time.

22 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:03:00pm

re: #13 ArmyWife

That said, I am NOT thrilled at ALL with how this census thing is going down myself, but thus far, my anger isn’t directed at the nature of the questions.


I wasn’t thrilled with the census guy taking a GPS reading at my front door. He asked if I had any questions and when I asked him why this was necessary he answered I don’t know. WTF.

23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:03:34pm

I believe this is what AllahPundit would call obligatory.

24 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:04:06pm

re: #8 freetoken

Do you know he went to them? Or did they pick up the story and champion it? You can’t stop them from agreeing with you, nor can you stop them from speaking about this even if you don’t like them. It’s a bit different then allowing this crew to be spokes models for the RNC.

25 Right mind left  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:04:08pm

Hey, the fine might be their way to pay for the census or to flush out those who are subversives and need to be on the reprogramming list!


///\

26 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:04:37pm

re: #22 soxfan4life

I have an issue with that, too! Of course, he could have google mapped it, I guess.

27 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:04:39pm

re: #22 soxfan4life

I wasn’t thrilled with the census guy taking a GPS reading at my front door. He asked if I had any questions and when I asked him why this was necessary he answered I don’t know. WTF.

You are joking?

28 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:04:47pm

When they asked to tattoo the sign of the beast on my forehead I politely told them that they would have to get off of my property. So they jumped in their black helicopters and flew away.
//

29 Right mind left  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:05:41pm

re: #27 unrealizedviewpoint

You are joking?

No, they did it at my house too and said they were required (I told him my dog bites…)

30 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:05:44pm

I’ve never heard of anyone getting in trouble for how they filled out the census forms.

A census worker will in any case not be admitted to my house. I will fill in the form and mail it. Don’t need any “help” from someone carrying one of these.

And any questions I don’t like, I’ll just make something up. When I was polled in Germany, I put myself down as Jewish just to increase the funding for synagogues.

Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

31 Athens Runaway  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:06:52pm

Can’t she just leave the questions she doesn’t like blank?

As much as some here dislike Bachmann (and yes, she does sometimes poke teh crazee), I’m pretty sure she’s right that ACORN, et. al.’s involvement in the taking of the Census is fishy. Why does the White House feel that the Census Bureau suddenly needs sociopolitical activist groups to do jobs that are listed by the Constitution as governmental responsibilities?

32 songbird  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:06:57pm

Census Questions

33 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:07:11pm

ACORN celebrated its 39th birthday yesterday and Sen. Chuck Shumer, Rep. Maxine Waters, Clintonista creep John Podesta, and many many other leftist pols & radicals who started the 1960s violent group SDS, showed up to party, but kicked out Fox News.

(on Fox news tonight)

34 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:08:08pm

re: #33 alegrias

yeesh

35 songbird  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:08:09pm

I have a friend in AZ who got one of the census form as part of an ‘early release’ program. She was so mad because the questions were VERY personal as far as income, the home, and health conditions.

36 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:08:28pm

re: #15 unrealizedviewpoint

WTF does ACORN have to do with the census questions?

They have always used volunteers and paid temps to to the censi. In a rural area it’s more likely to be your county Elks.

37 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:08:31pm

OT
LIVE
John McCain says AMerica should support Iran’s freedom & democracy movement.
on Sean Hannity Fox News

38 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:08:44pm

Speaking of moonbattery of the Right…

Remember the Bloomberg story about the $134Billion of bearer bonds, seized in Italy? I posted the original story in the spin-offs a few days ago.

Well, that story has had legs among the moonbat-sphere… I’ve not linked to those stories as, frankly, the people writing them were too questionable.

Anyway, official reply today: U.S. Says Bonds Seized in Italy Are ‘Clearly Fakes’

So, what does the right-o-sphere do about this? One just has to turn to the HotAir thread on the topic:

Are they forgeries? I simply do not trust the Obama administration to tell the truth, especially when the subject is financial.

Rebar on June 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM


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It’s more or less impossible to know the truth here.

the_nile on June 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM


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Ditto. Obama and his crime gang have zero credibility.

JiangxiDad on June 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM


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I know it reeks of conspiracy theory nuttery on the scale of Trutherism, but I still think the Obama administration is behind this. They seem to have a vested interest in tanking the U.S. dollar. Presumably they want insane inflation so the crisis continues to escalate so they can continue to grab power from a panicked population. The clumsiness matches their M.O., too.

aero on June 18, 2009 at 2:38 PM


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[I left off the ones that were clearly intended as humor.]

Moonbattery is a alive and well all over the “Right”.

39 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:08:50pm

re: #29 Right mind left

No, they did it at my house too and said they were required (I told him my dog bites…)

WTF is right. Big big brother sounding. geez!
So they got this down to exact coordinates, who’s where, how many, etc. Yikes!
Black Helicopters.

40 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:09:09pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

I’ve never heard of anyone getting in trouble for how they filled out the census forms.

A census worker will in any case not be admitted to my house. I will fill in the form and mail it. Don’t need any “help” from someone carrying one of these.

And any questions I don’t like, I’ll just make something up. When I was polled in Germany, I put myself down as Jewish just to increase the funding for synagogues.

Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

[shameless product promo]
Why don’t they dump those lousy gadgets? I could hook up the census people around Chicagoland with some new Palm PREs? They do mapping superlatively well, and the also can handle proprietary programs with ease.
[/shameless product promo]

41 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:09:36pm

It’s really epic stupidity. By not filling out her census, and encouraging her constituents to do the same, she’s screwing up federal funding of her district for schools, roads, Police and fire departments.
It’s a classic example of anti-Americanism under the guise of patriotism.

42 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:10:08pm

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

That was funny.

43 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:10:25pm

re: #24 ArmyWife

He went on TV (Fox) with both Judge N. and on the Glenn Beck show. He didn’t seem to be put out in either case.

44 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:10:29pm

re: #38 freetoken

Sadly true.

45 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:10:32pm

re: #28 Truck Monkey

You didn’t look them right in the eye did you?

46 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:10:53pm

This is kind of interesting, from Wikipedia on the Census:


In 1980 FBI agents went to the Census Bureau’s Colorado Springs office with warrants to seize Census documents, but were forced to leave with nothing. Courts upheld that no agency, including the FBI, has access to Census data.

I’d hope that court precedent will calm down the black helicopter crowd, but maybe not.

Also, I vote for every post in this thread to end with

“Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.” h/t Cato

regardless of content of post.

47 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:11:23pm

re: #43 freetoken

Oh well. Publicity for his case, I suppose. I’d probably chose a different route, however.

48 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:11:28pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I think she;s gone paulian.

49 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:11:38pm

re: #38 freetoken

It appears you are highlighting a few nutty commenter’s. We can find nuts by simply strolling through our local supermarket. What’s your point?

50 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:11:56pm

re: #32 songbird

Great, but could you please warn when you’re linking to a PDF?

51 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:12:09pm

re: #46 iceweasel

This is kind of interesting, from Wikipedia on the Census:

I’d hope that court precedent will calm down the black helicopter crowd, but maybe not.

Also, I vote for every post in this thread to end with

“Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.” h/t Cato

regardless of content of post.

I agree. “Bachmann is, nontheless, and idiot.”

52 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:12:16pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

or its a great example of what we Texans call stupid.

53 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:12:21pm

I’m looking forward to the census……

Youtube Video

Sluuuurp!
54 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:12:39pm

re: #8 freetoken

Bachmann, it should be noted, is also one of the people championing the fired IG Walpin. Whatever legitimate claim Walpin may have, that he chose Bachmann, Judge Napolitano , and Glenn Beck to be his supporters is a sure way to kill any appearance of legitimacy.

* * * *
Pres. Bush gets Hell for firing inspector generals but Pres. Obama gets away with it ?

You think Obama’s friend the mayor who misused $800,000 on personal car washes, should get away with theft?

55 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:12:49pm

re: #52 ArmyWife


Where in TX

56 Spartacus50  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:12:54pm

Apparently, she is the only one with balls in the Republican Party

57 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:12:54pm

re: #31 Athens Runaway

Can’t she just leave the questions she doesn’t like blank?

As much as some here dislike Bachmann (and yes, she does sometimes poke teh crazee), I’m pretty sure she’s right that ACORN, et. al.’s involvement in the taking of the Census is fishy. Why does the White House feel that the Census Bureau suddenly needs sociopolitical activist groups to do jobs that are listed by the Constitution as governmental responsibilities?

See my #36. There is nothing sinister about it. Or new.

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:13:01pm

re: #48 Sharmuta

I think she;s gone paulian.

Tea Party!

Youtube Video
59 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:13:50pm

re: #30 Cato the Elder

And any questions I don’t like, I’ll just make something up. When I was polled in Germany, I put myself down as Jewish just to increase the funding for synagogues.

Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

My head is about to explode.

It’s not okay to refuse to answer a Census form; but it’s, like, okay to lie on it?

YyaaaaRRGH! *splat*

60 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:14:03pm

re: #38 freetoken

Excellent collection of lunacy there. I have a question: does “moonbat” now refer to “lunatic of either political persuasion”? I always thought moonbat was for the loons on the left, and wingnut for the loons on the right. I need a new dictionary.

61 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:14:26pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

They have always used volunteers and paid temps to to the censi. In a rural area it’s more likely to be your county Elks.

Yes Cato of course. it is this nutty politician that’s using ACORN involvement (as takers) as reason not to participate in census. Like ACORN wrote the questions…

62 Athens Runaway  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:14:29pm

Speaking of the US Senseless Bureau…

63 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:14:43pm

re: #56 Spartacus50

Apparently, she is the only one with balls in the Republican Party

Have you even been reading this thread?! The woman is the congressional equivalent of a Paulian troll.

64 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:14:45pm

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh.

65 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:15:06pm

re: #60 iceweasel

Excellent collection of lunacy there. I have a question: does “moonbat” now refer to “lunatic of either political persuasion”? I always thought moonbat was for the loons on the left, and wingnut for the loons on the right. I need a new dictionary.

Thread about 2 months ago covered just that question.

66 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:15:19pm

re: #48 Sharmuta

I think she;s gone paulian.

She was already kind of a whack-job, wasn’t she? Or am I thinking of someone else.

67 Athens Runaway  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:15:23pm

re: #62 Athens Runaway
Oops, forgot to end my post. Michelle Bachmann, nonetheless, is an idiot.

68 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:15:31pm

re: #54 alegrias

* * * *
Pres. Bush gets Hell for firing inspector generals but Pres. Obama gets away with it ?

You think Obama’s friend the mayor who misused $800,000 on personal car washes, should get away with theft?


Didn’t Bush catch hell for firing US Attorneys not IG’s?

69 Sabnen  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:15:51pm

re: #68 soxfan4life

yes

70 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:16:05pm

re: #55 soxfan4life

I’m in Virginia now, but originally from San Antonio.

71 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:16:21pm

However self-defeating Cato’s posts are; I agree, Michelle Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

72 ArmyWife  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:16:34pm

re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth

No, she’s been 2 clicks off of center for awhile, now.

73 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:16:38pm

re: #65 unrealizedviewpoint

Thread about 2 months ago covered just that question.

I’ll have to look for it. I haven’t seen it used that way anywhere else, is all.

74 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:17:00pm

re: #70 ArmyWife

I’m in Virginia now, but originally from San Antonio.


Looking to move back to Killeen family lives outside of San Antonio in Uvalde.

75 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:17:01pm

re: #68 soxfan4life

Didn’t Bush catch hell for firing US Attorneys not IG’s?

Yes.

76 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:17:08pm

re: #68 soxfan4life

Yep….including some out in California that either San Fran Nan, Feinstein or Boxer complained about before they were dismissed.

77 Sarcasmo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:17:15pm

re: #70 ArmyWife

Mmmmmm river walk , oh how I miss it!

78 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:17:32pm

re: #68 soxfan4life

Didn’t Bush catch hell for firing US Attorneys not IG’s?

* * *
You’re right.

Still, Pres. Obama’s friend the mayor used $800,000 taxpayer dollars for questionable personal purposes, AND Inspector General Walpin was RIGHT to question the legality.

Transparent Presidency, my ass.

79 Tarkus289  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:17:41pm

re: #68 soxfan4life

Bush caught hell for existing, obama gets away with everything.

80 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:17:51pm

re: #54 alegrias

Did I say anything about the mayor in question?

Amazing, the amount of seething that is under the skin of so many who self-profess an association with the Right/conservatism. All I have to do is scratch the surface and up it erupts.

Read my post again. What I said is pretty clear. It is Walpin who loses the appearance of credibility by associating with the Becks of this world.

If Walpin has a legitimate claim he can work it through the court system, where the truth usually comes out.

81 tedzilla99  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:18:07pm

I’m doing the same thing she is. The Constitution lays out exactly what’s required to give and also what office is supposed to run the census. Since it’s moved to the WH and promises to be more extensive questions, she is right on and I will follow her example, but I was going to before she said she was.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:18:13pm

re: #56 Spartacus50

Apparently, she is the only one with balls in the Republican Party

She’s nuts, you mean.

83 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:18:16pm

re: #68 soxfan4life

Didn’t Bush catch hell for firing US Attorneys not IG’s?

Yes. 8 of them.
Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

84 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:18:40pm

re: #78 alegrias

* * *
You’re right.

Still, Pres. Obama’s friend the mayor used $800,000 taxpayer dollars for questionable personal purposes, AND Inspector General Walpin was RIGHT to question the legality.

Transparent Presidency, my ass.

I’ll agree there. I asked earlier if IG’s are going to get fired like this why would they blow the whistle at all, and by the same token why have them at all?

85 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:18:50pm

re: #56 Spartacus50

Apparently, she is the only one with balls in the Republican Party

How so? Because to me it looks like she’s lost her marbles

86 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:19:51pm

re: #85 Zimriel

Because to me it looks like she’s lost her marbles


That’s the appeal. The crazier the better.

87 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:19:58pm

re: #60 iceweasel

As far as I am concerned, all moonbats are part of the same genus - Moonbatus (or would that be Moonbatae … I get my Latin nomenclature mixed up.)

88 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:20:24pm

Well, I’d say that it’s not so much a “problem” in terms of how much or how little money ACORN receives, but rather the argument as to who will be privy to the info on the Census? — that’s the real question.

89 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:20:30pm

re: #83 Truck Monkey


Being an idiot puts Bachmann in the majority in Congress. That being said Bachmann is still an idiot

90 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:20:51pm

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

She’s nuts, you mean.

Yes. I’ll say this for ACORN; it was wellnamed, because the mere mention of it drives some people completely nuts. Although Bachmann didn’t have far to go.

Also, “Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.”

91 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:21:16pm

re: #87 freetoken

As far as I am concerned, all moonbats are part of the same genus - Moonbatus (or would that be Moonbatae … I get my Latin nomenclature mixed up.)

You should see a Chiropractor for that.
Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

92 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:21:24pm

Iranian chick take a beating….

Youtube Video
93 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:21:29pm

re: #59 Zimriel

My head is about to explode.

It’s not okay to refuse to answer a Census form; but it’s, like, okay to lie on it?

YyaaaaRRGH! *splat*

Was that a fly on your forehead? The “splat”, I mean. ;^)

I’m enough of an anarchist that if they ask me something I consider to be none of anybody’s business, I’ll damn well make something up just to screw with their perfect systematic statistics. It’s the way I was born.

Maybe I won’t find anything to object to. Since I just inadvertently downloaded a PDF of all the (proposed) questions, I’ll get back to you with specifics.

But not tonight.

94 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:21:55pm

re: #90 iceweasel

Yes. I’ll say this for ACORN; it was wellnamed, because the mere mention of it drives some people completely nuts. Although Bachmann didn’t have far to go.

Also, “Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.”


Driving her crazy was a short trip. And she is still an idiot.

95 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:22:07pm

re: #85 Zimriel

How so? Because to me it looks like she’s lost her marbles

* * * *
Speaking of missing marbles, have you seen or heard laughable democrat Californian Senator Barbara Boxer demanding a testifying General address her as Senator, not “Ma’am” in answering her stupid questions?

Now that’s an idiot who deserves to be “herstory”.

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:22:56pm

re: #72 ArmyWife

No, she’s been 2 clicks off of center for awhile, now.

Ah, now I remember her name.

Isn’t she also an advocate for ID in science classes?

97 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:23:00pm

re: #87 freetoken

As far as I am concerned, all moonbats are part of the same genus - Moonbatus (or would that be Moonbatae … I get my Latin nomenclature mixed up.)

beats me. There’s also some difference between the species and genus nomenclature, right? Moonbatus liberati vs Moonbatus wingnutti?

Need cato to help out. or some science lizard!

98 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:23:22pm

What are the questions that she finds so objectionable? There are a variety of supplemental census forms that go to different samples of the population. More than basic census info is gathered in those.

99 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:23:23pm

re: #95 alegrias

* * * *
Speaking of missing marbles, have you seen or heard laughable democrat Californian Senator Barbara Boxer demanding a testifying General address her as Senator, not “Ma’am” in answering her stupid questions?

Now that’s an idiot who deserves to be “herstory”.

Talking about 2 clicks off center here too…..

100 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:23:27pm

re: #95 alegrias

* * * *
Speaking of missing marbles, have you seen or heard laughable democrat Californian Senator Barbara Boxer demanding a testifying General address her as Senator, not “Ma’am” in answering her stupid questions?

Now that’s an idiot who deserves to be “herstory”.


The poster earlier who said Ma’am is a sign of respect so Senator was more fitting got it right.

101 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:24:02pm

It’s a fundamental issue of privacy…(there was a case here in Canada — a British Columbia man lied on a census form — he did so in a big way — far too obviously — I can’t recall all the details, but there was “a problem.”)

102 LSD  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:24:30pm

Most of us are “Native Americans”
Period.

103 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:24:50pm

Bachmann is national poster child for the Kool-Aid wing of the GOP.

Among other things, she is an IDer. Even before her election to Congress, she was involved in a serious controversy over the teaching of creationism and other fundamentalist ideas at a publicly funded charter school where she was a director.

One such parent, Denise Stephens, charges the board of directors of the school (which included Bachmann) with trying to set up classes on Creationism and advocating that “something called ‘12 Christian principles’ be taught, very much like the 10 Commandments.” According to Stephens, school officials also refused to allow the in-school screening of the Disney film Aladdin, feeling that it endorsed witchcraft and promoted paganism.

It was Bachmann who pointed out that the last swine flu outbreak also occurred while a DemoRAT was in office (cue creepy music).
Other Bachmann nut-cakery (long list)

104 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:24:53pm

re: #33 alegrias

ACORN celebrated its 39th birthday yesterday and Sen. Chuck Shumer, Rep. Maxine Waters, Clintonista creep John Podesta, and many many other leftist pols & radicals who started the 1960s violent group SDS, showed up to party, but kicked out Fox News.

(on Fox news tonight)

Oh, it’s OK that a sitting Senator hangs out with a group loaded with legal issues centering on voter registration fraud.

/as long as it’s a Dem

105 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:25:06pm

re: #95 alegrias

* * * *
Speaking of missing marbles, have you seen or heard laughable democrat Californian Senator Barbara Boxer demanding a testifying General address her as Senator, not “Ma’am” in answering her stupid questions?

Now that’s an idiot who deserves to be “herstory”.

Isn’t “Ma’am” the preferred honorific for the Queen of England, along with “Your Majesty”

106 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:25:17pm

re: #98 snowcrash

Well, it may or may not involve the kinds of questions asked, but rather who will be given access to the info?

107 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:25:29pm

re: #88 J.S.

Well, I’d say that it’s not so much a “problem” in terms of how much or how little money ACORN receives, but rather the argument as to who will be privy to the info on the Census? — that’s the real question.

It is actually pretty safe as far as individual identification is concerned.

1. Federal Law
Title 13 of the U.S. Code protects the confidentiality of all your information. Violating this law is a crime with severe penalties.
2. Privacy Principles
Our Privacy Principles are guidelines that cover all of our activities. These principles encompass both our responsibilities to protect your information and your rights as a respondent. They apply to the information we collect and the statistics we publish.
3. Statistical Safeguards
Statistical methods ensure that the statistics we release do not identify individuals or businesses. These methods include extensive review and analysis of all our data products, as well as disclosure avoidance methodologies such as data suppression and modification.

We recognize the value of your trust, and we believe that when you answer our surveys we must serve as caretakers of your information. If you would like to learn more about how we fulfill this responsibility, please visit our data stewardship pages.

From their website census.gov.

108 songbird  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:25:34pm

re: #50 Cato the Elder

Great, but could you please warn when you’re linking to a PDF?

Apologies! I hope I did not do much harm.

109 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:26:00pm

I failed to complete and return my census forms in 1990 and 2000. No one’s bothered me yet.

110 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:26:06pm

One might consider Michele Bachmann’s voting record much in line with one’s beliefs.

111 iLikeCandy  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:26:10pm

The civil disobedience begins!

YEEEEE-HAAAAA!

112 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:26:27pm

re: #109 doppelganglander

Which one of you?

/

113 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:26:33pm

Does it not bother anyone that ACORN is involved with this?

Seriously, we can have political differences, but does anyone really think they are doing this to be good stewards of the Constitution?

Seriously?

114 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:26:36pm

I just saw that ferret-faced weasel Joe Klein on Wolf Blitzer. Klein, just back from Tehran, claimed that the Iranian women were “all over him” with their headscarves pulled back.
And if that wasn’t bad enough, he then authoritatively pronounced that Obama was handling the situation perfectly by not giving the authorities an excuse to bring the tanks into the streets and “slaughter a slew” of people.
Of course he kept his buck-toothed smirk on his fat face throughout the fawning interview.
I almost puked.

115 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:27:08pm

Here’s the PDF, tell me if you want to answer all the questions?

116 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:27:11pm

re: #106 J.S.

Well, it may or may not involve the kinds of questions asked, but rather who will be given access to the info?

nobody but the US Census bureau.

In 1980 FBI agents went to the Census Bureau’s Colorado Springs office with warrants to seize Census documents, but were forced to leave with nothing. Courts upheld that no agency, including the FBI, has access to Census data.

Wikipedia

117 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:27:46pm

OT but here it comes. Dems are proposing taxing employer provided health insurance unless you are in a union, up to a 1.5% national sales tax to pay for the uninsured to have health insurance.

[Link: www.comcast.net…]

118 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:27:48pm

re: #108 songbird

Apologies! I hope I did not do much harm.

Not at all. It always comes as a surprise. I should probably learn to hover the mouse before clicking…

119 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:28:01pm

re: #105 Alouette

Isn’t “Ma’am” the preferred honorific for the Queen of England, along with “Your Majesty”

I don’t know, I was taught to use it for females obviously older than mydself or in positions of authority.

120 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:28:11pm

re: #100 soxfan4life

The poster earlier who said Ma’am is a sign of respect so Senator was more fitting got it right.

* * * * *
California Senator Boxer the democrat was elected by her whole very populous state, which makes her a representative of more idiots than Rep. Michele Bachmann. Boxer’s self-importance and lack of concern about the country’s big problems, is disgusting.

California’s Boxer & Pelosi politicians—from our country’s most populous state— are much more embarassing than any Minnesota congressional Representative.

Mountains versus molehills, people.

121 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:28:38pm

re: #114 Spare O’Lake


If Iranian women are ‘all over’ Joe Klein, then it must’ve been to whack him with their shoes.

122 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:28:40pm

re: #107 Cato the Elder

There is a difference between stating that the info will remain “confidential” vs stating that the info is “anonymous” — in other words, the former means that “they know who you are, but, it’ll only be released to designated personnel” — if it’s truly “anonymous” then they can’t trace the identity of the respondent.

123 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:28:59pm

re: #109 doppelganglander

I failed to complete and return my census forms in 1990 and 2000. No one’s bothered me yet.

The Wheels Of Justice Grind Slow, But They Grind Exceeding Fine. They’ll get ya!

124 doubter4444  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:29:13pm

re: #29 Right mind left

No, they did it at my house too and said they were required (I told him my dog bites…)

So, ummm when did this happen?
The census is every ten years right?
Are you saying someone from the US census bureau came by and asked to GPS your house?

125 jantjepietje  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:29:32pm

funny how everyone here thinks it’s normal to have a census I didn’t realise you have those all the time in america
The government tried to do one here in the 70’s and we got massive protests I’ve never filled in a census
(although more info is logged here by default than in the USA so the amount of info the government has on you evens out)

126 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:29:47pm

OT, and look what piece of shit news the cat has dragged though the email catdoor………..

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:30:14pm

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel

Bachmann is national poster child for the Kool-Aid wing of the GOP.

Among other things, she is an IDer.

Thanks, that’s what I thought. BTW, your link (which I quoted above) has a slight mistake.

They misspelled “atavism” as “activism”.

128 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:30:23pm

Let me get this straight. Are we supposed to fill out every last item in the census? I thought it was up to me how much information I share with the government.

129 soxfan4life  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:30:25pm

re: #124 doubter4444

So, ummm when did this happen?
The census is every ten years right?
Are you saying someone from the US census bureau came by and asked to GPS your house?

Happened about a month and a half ago and yes they said they needed a GPS fix on my front door.

130 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:30:46pm

re: #113 formercorpsman

Does it not bother anyone that ACORN is involved with this?

Seriously, we can have political differences, but does anyone really think they are doing this to be good stewards of the Constitution?

Seriously?

* * * * *
(Shhhh, it’s more fun to bash Michele Bachmann—who’s NOT getting $8 billion like ACORN is getting, to send thugs door to door)

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:30:54pm

re: #113 formercorpsman

Does it not bother anyone that ACORN is involved with this?

Seriously, we can have political differences, but does anyone really think they are doing this to be good stewards of the Constitution?

Seriously?

It bothers me a lot. I just don’t see how refusing to answer census questions is an effective solution to that problem.

132 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:31:06pm

re: #114 Spare O’Lake

Can’t stand Klein. Although I enjoy reading the comments on his blogs at Time, because they really hand his ass back to him. And I’ll give him credit for not removing them, although he’s typically addressed as “Joke Line”. Rightfully so.

133 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:31:28pm

re: #126 A Kiwi Infidel

OT, and look what piece of shit news the cat has dragged though the email catdoor………..

Not for nothing, but if you don’t protect your computer, it could very well have something like child pr0n on it.

134 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:31:28pm

My accountant filed mine, so I haven’t seen it at all.

135 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:31:35pm

re: #112 Fenway_Nation

Which one of you?

/

Well done!

136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:31:55pm

re: #109 doppelganglander

I failed to complete and return my census forms in 1990 and 2000. No one’s bothered me yet.

You got off easy. I didn’t fill my 2000 form out and they turned me into a newt.

/I got better.

137 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:32:00pm

re: #128 Noam Sayin’

(In Canada, you are required to accurately fill out the data — and if you’re caught lying, you’ll be in trouble — as I understand it..)

138 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:32:07pm

She’s an idiot, an IDer, a Paulian…..anybody wanna throw in the No True Scotsman fallacy for good measure?

139 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:32:43pm

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

If Iranian women are ‘all over’ Joe Klein, then it must’ve been to whack him with their shoes.

Good one.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, he also pronounced as fact that he was positive that Obama was extremely frustrated at having to withhold his support for the demonstrators.
This little prick knows EVERYTHING.

140 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #130 alegrias

* * * * *
(Shhhh, it’s more fun to bash Michele Bachmann—who’s NOT getting $8 billion like ACORN is getting, to send thugs door to door)

There isn’t evidence that ACORN is getting it either. Quit hyperventilating.

141 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #97 iceweasel

. There’s also some difference between the species and genus nomenclature, right? Moonbatus liberati vs Moonbatus wingnutti?

!

The genus name would be capitalized, and there are latin gender rules… but I forget those all too easily.

Nevertheless, your intimation that there are two north American species may not be correct. Moonbatus americanus is the dominant species in North America. There are some separated populations that one could call varieties: Moonbatus americanus v. san francisco (known for shedding their skin during seasonal molts), M. americanus v. nevada (undergo strange rituals in the desert), and so on.

However, as members of different populations can freely reproduce and create fertile offspring then I conclude they are all one species.

142 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:32:54pm

I do not care about ACORN or Bachman, I just read the table of contents in the PDF of the census I linked above. Intrusive? oh yeah.

143 LSD  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:33:01pm

Refusing to answer other then constitutionally mandated questions in the census is really nothing new …

144 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:33:08pm

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks, that’s what I thought. BTW, your link (which I quoted above) has a slight mistake.

They misspelled “atavism” as “activism”.

Excellent! I’ll have to steal that.

145 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:33:11pm

re: #137 J.S.

Yeah, but that’s Canada. ;)

Seriously, I don’t think I gave up much information at all on the 2000 census.

146 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:33:32pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

I’m not arguing that. Yes, there are kooks in the Republican Party.

But what the hell? Aside from the usual slander, has anyone actually put in any real amount of time to see what the hell this group’s motives are?

The intimidation tactics they use are unreal.

147 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:34:04pm

Speaking of government.

I have jury duty coming up on Monday. It will be the first time I’ve been summoned and was able to go since I became ill and got my service dog certification.

So I called the jury commissioner’s office today to make sure there will be no surprises.

This is a government office in a major city, mind you. Yet the person I spoke to had never heard of a service dog for someone who isn’t blind. (If I were blind I’d automatically be exempt.)

I explained the federal law pertaining to service animals under the ADA. She put me on hold and when she got back on the line (after rebooting her computer, which runs on an operating system whose name I didn’t even recognize - something from the ’70s, no doubt) told me that the commissioner herself is going to give me a call tomorrow.

I’m expecting one of two outcomes: either they’re going to excuse me so as not to have to deal with the dog, or I’ll get some kind of royal treatment. I hope those are the choices. If they ask me to put Haku through the X-ray machine there’s going to be blood.

In any case it should be a fun day.

148 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:34:09pm

I did some Census work back in 2000- sometimes I would literally phone it in.

Most of the forms were striaghtforward, but there were a couple that were unusually long and asked some pretty intrusive questions about ethnicicty and income….even tho’ the ‘short form’ questions were the only ones that we really need answered.

149 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:34:19pm

re: #140 Zimriel

There isn’t evidence that ACORN is getting it either. Quit hyperventilating.

Quit exaggerating. That’s not even breathing hard by even this blog’s standards, much less hyperventilating.

150 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:34:26pm

re: #137 J.S.

(In Canada, you are required to accurately fill out the data — and if you’re caught lying, you’ll be in trouble — as I understand it..)

“Strongly worded letter” trouble?

151 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:34:32pm

re: #140 Zimriel

There isn’t evidence that ACORN is getting it either. Quit hyperventilating.

* * * *
ACORN runs my neighborhood, who am I going to believe—-evidence or my lying eyes?

152 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:34:53pm

re: #150 Truck Monkey

“Strongly worded letter” trouble?

Probably Human Rights Commission trouble.

153 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:35:07pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

Best of luck.

154 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:35:11pm

re: #145 Noam Sayin’

Exactly. Here in Canada, you also can’t refuse to answer — they do “follow-ups” (if you continue to refuse to answer, there are ways of getting you into a courtroom..)

155 kynna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:35:27pm

re: #8 freetoken

Bachmann, it should be noted, is also one of the people championing the fired IG Walpin. Whatever legitimate claim Walpin may have, that he chose Bachmann, Judge Napolitano , and Glenn Beck to be his supporters is a sure way to kill any appearance of legitimacy.

Bachman is strange. But Walpin probably didn’t “pick” his supporters, they picked him. They’re coming out strong for him at a crucial time and it matters. Read about this case. It’s very serious and, with the exception of Grassley I’m hearing crickets from the rest of the GOP.

It’s no wonder they poll low.

I wouldn’t throw Walpin under the bus, even if some of his supporters are not my cuppa. He’s got a legit complaint and the outcome of that situation matters to the rest of us.

156 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:35:41pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

Please let us know how it goes. I love stories about government functionaries whose heads explode when they try to assimilate new and unfamiliar information.

157 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:35:49pm

re: #140 Zimriel

Wait a second. You don’t have a problem with the White house overseeing the Census?

158 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:36:38pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

OT - Momentary truce. How is the CPAP doing? Can you tell the difference now? Just curious

159 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:36:51pm

re: #157 formercorpsman

Wait a second. You don’t have a problem with the White house overseeing the Census?

* * * **
What could possibly go Chicago-style crooked?

160 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:37:10pm

Latest from the twitters I’m following. I’ve found PersianKiwi to be pretty reliable

Change for Iran:

althought it’s completely against the law for armed forces to enter universities there were lot’s of police forces inside today.

and the real strange thing: they were wearing police uniforms with IRG insignia!

most professors today talking about resigning if the government continues to treat university like this.

I’m sorry about being negative, we’re are doing all we can and still we have zero progress & I’m feeling bad about it

I finally managed to open karoubi’s party official site: Yes, he canceled today’s rally & said it’s postponed to Saturday 4PM

I hope karoubi & moosavi’s strategy works, Gov already moving people from outside Tehran in bus caravans for attending today’s prayers.

well it’s better to say the whole system is against us! goverment, parliment, state judicial system, most of armed forces, ahmady lovers

And this interesting, odd tidbit. Signficance?

and what they are now doing to opposition showed us what they true intentions are. so it’s not just about only rigged election anymore

PersianKiwi:

political situ in Iran is v/complex - for every decision there are reasons - some we cannot mention here - #Iranelection

now is dawn - we must go - location not safe - thank u for supporting Sea of Green - #Iranelection - people of Iran needs your help

Advice - travel in groups - always tell someone where u are going - dont go out unless needed - #Iranelection

161 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:38:01pm

re: #122 J.S.

There is a difference between stating that the info will remain “confidential” vs stating that the info is “anonymous” — in other words, the former means that “they know who you are, but, it’ll only be released to designated personnel” — if it’s truly “anonymous” then they can’t trace the identity of the respondent.

I believe they do anonymize it. That’s what I heard a while back. In any case they are definitely not permitted to release data to any other agency - including the FBI, see above - that would identify an individual or business.

How that jibes with DHS or NSA requirements, I have no clue.

162 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:38:49pm

OK Everyone -

I am ready to go the “other way” - give them answers they will like. We are all “African- Americans” in one way or another assuming you believe in evolution. As for members of your household - INCLUDE ALL PETS they ARE member of your family, aren’t they? A few more “Red-State” Congressional Districts wouldn’t hurt - would they? If “They” want to “Play Games” - become “Master of the Games” and Play them Better.

-S-

163 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:38:54pm

I didn’t see a question asking of you were a citizen. Did I miss that one?

164 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:38:57pm

re: #159 alegrias

* * * **
What could possibly go Chicago-style crooked?

Gee, I don’t know, I got 3500 sq feet and 3 people. Don’t you think Obama might think that’s too much?

165 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:39:06pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

OT - Momentary truce. How is the CPAP doing? Can you tell the difference now? Just curious

Yes. I want to know too. Do you need one too Walter?

166 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:39:20pm

re: #133 OldLineTexan

Not for nothing, but if you don’t protect your computer, it could very well have something like child pr0n on it.

Or if cops get hold of your computer after you’ve just committed murder against, uh, a cop. Cops have been known to plant evidence before.

In this case, though, I don’t see a motive to plant evidence… He did it, and he’s an asshole; so hang him already. Why concoct even more stuff against him? Why waste one’s time?

167 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:39:42pm

re: #156 doppelganglander

Please let us know how it goes. I love stories about government functionaries whose heads explode when they try to assimilate new and unfamiliar information.

Those would drive me crazy, too, and I was actually a government functionary!

I did very well in my government career, and I have suspicion it had nothing whatsoever to do with any intelligence I have and much much more to do with the fact that I could see a situation, quickly size it up, quickly make a decision, and quickly act on it.

No one had to wait around for me to figure it out.

168 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:39:43pm

re: #93 Cato the Elder


I’m enough of an anarchist that if they ask me something I consider to be none of anybody’s business, I’ll damn well make something up just to screw with their perfect systematic statistics. It’s the way I was born.

Excellent. I do the same thing as a matter of principle with virtually anything looking for demographic information, including polling questions and every online form ever that wants to know my income bracket, my industry, my gender, and god knows what else before they’ll grant me access to their newspaper archives or whatever.

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:39:49pm

re: #125 jantjepietje

funny how everyone here thinks it’s normal to have a census I didn’t realise you have those all the time in america

Every ten years, for many decades now. One of the first “computers” invented was designed to process data from the U.S. Census.

170 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:39:51pm

re: #161 Cato the Elder

The DHS only gets the Section 5 responses dealing with household firearms, number of right-wing extremist group memberships, etc. All properly censored, of course.

//

171 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:40:28pm

re: #166 Zimriel

Or if cops get hold of your computer after you’ve just committed murder against, uh, a cop. Cops have been known to plant evidence before.

In this case, though, I don’t see a motive to plant evidence… He did it, and he’s an asshole; so hang him already. Why concoct even more stuff against him? Why waste one’s time?

Cause the Nazis hate child porn?

172 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:40:31pm

re: #161 Cato the Elder

Yeah. (I just wanted to point out that “anonymous” should never be conflated with “confidential” — the two terms are subject to different interpretations…many people confuse “confidential” with “anonymous” and vice versa. In reality, the two terms are not interchangeable.)

173 pat  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:40:35pm

re: #117 soxfan4life

That is so clearly against the equal protection clause.

174 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:40:41pm

re: #133 OldLineTexan

Not for nothing, but if you don’t protect your computer, it could very well have something like child pr0n on it.

So, whats his excuse? He still had to press the “save” button.

175 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:40:47pm

re: #151 alegrias

* * * *
ACORN runs my neighborhood, who am I going to believe—-evidence or my lying eyes?

That’s not about belief, that’s about keeping your teeth in your jaw.

176 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:41:24pm

re: #166 Zimriel

Or if cops get hold of your computer after you’ve just committed murder against, uh, a cop. Cops have been known to plant evidence before.

In this case, though, I don’t see a motive to plant evidence… He did it, and he’s an asshole; so hang him already. Why concoct even more stuff against him? Why waste one’s time?

Oh, I doubt seriously that this was planted by the cops. But it may have been deposited by malware, etc.

Or he’s a nutbag and a perv. Not that that’s ever happened before.

/

177 doubter4444  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:41:27pm

re: #129 soxfan4life

Happened about a month and a half ago and yes they said they needed a GPS fix on my front door.

That’s weird, I thought it was only once a decade.
Still, Since my house is on google earth, I don’t really care, but it sounds creepy.
The census is a good thing,I think in general, as it gives updates for federal funding and the like.
I (personally) don’t worry about the black helicopters too much.
But it is kinda creepy.

178 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:41:29pm

re: #164 kansas

Gee, I don’t know, I got 3500 sq feet and 3 people. Don’t you think Obama might think that’s too much?

You will be required to take in borders, collect NO rents, and perform 25 hours (weekly) community service. /

179 pat  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:41:39pm

I have had the census people on the phone trying to get info. When I asked exactly what they were going to do about my refusal, she replied nothing really.

180 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:41:45pm

re: #155 kynna

But Walpin probably didn’t “pick” his supporters, they picked him.

Are you saying Walpin appeared on TV (twice, first with Judge N., then with Glenn Beck) not of his own free will?

Walpin may have a legitimate gripe about his dismissal.

However, he appears to be freely associating with the fringe crowd.

If he cared about his own case why is he hanging out with the marginalia of public discourse?

181 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:41:49pm

re: #165 Truck Monkey

Yes. I want to know too. Do you need one too Walter?

No, not any more, but about 3 years ago I did, and it changed my life at the time as far as energy level etc. I don’t need it now at all, because I lost about 200 pounds, but I still use it sometimes, just cause I like the “hum” in my head.

182 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:42:05pm

re: #174 A Kiwi Infidel

So, whats his excuse? He still had to press the “save” button.

I’m betting there was no child porn. It’s just to prevent anyone who might be seeing this guy as an example will turn against him.

183 Right mind left  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:42:19pm

re: #32 songbird

Census Questions

Did you see all the pages for ‘notes’ so the census taker can take notes on how often you refuse to answer stuff and Lord only knows what else. They really want to sharpen their pencils on demographics and precincts. re: #124 doubter4444

So, ummm when did this happen?
The census is every ten years right?
Are you saying someone from the US census bureau came by and asked to GPS your house?

Yes. They gave me a flier that said I had nothing to be afraid of and they intend everything to remain confidential. They were walking down our street in these bright colored vests and the man took notes (I assumed he wrote down he spoke to me or whatever).

184 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:42:23pm

re: #157 formercorpsman

Wait a second. You don’t have a problem with the White house overseeing the Census?

Someone has to do it. And “doing” something implies that the Executive Branch does it. Which would be directed by the White House.

Who else should be in charge? The Queen?

185 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:42:34pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

Those would drive me crazy, too, and I was actually a government functionary!

I did very well in my government career, and I have suspicion it had nothing whatsoever to do with any intelligence I have and much much more to do with the fact that I could see a situation, quickly size it up, quickly make a decision, and quickly act on it.

No one had to wait around for me to figure it out.

What you describe is an important component of intelligence. You perceive and process information quickly. That’s a rare quality.

186 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:42:49pm

re: #174 A Kiwi Infidel

So, whats his excuse? He still had to press the “save” button.

I don’t think this guy will be too worried about the additional lesser charges.

187 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:42:50pm

For reference:
From THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Article 1, Section 2:

“The actual enumeration shall be made within three years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.”

188 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:42:59pm

re: #174 A Kiwi Infidel

So, whats his excuse? He still had to press the “save” button.

No, you don’t.

189 pat  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:43:11pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Actually The Commerce Department

190 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:43:25pm
191 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:43:29pm

Too bad Bachmann is a nutburger because ACORN’s involvement in the census really does need a hard look.

Given the implications of census data for everything from nuclear waste disposal to student loan eligibility, the political neutrality of the process must be above reproach. There can be no doubt at all that ACORN is not a neutral or non-partisan entity. Even if they have every intention of trying to collect data in an honest and objective fashion, there is no way their obvious institutional and partisan bias will be kept out of the process. Giving this job to an organization with such an obvious partisan agenda strikes me as reckless at best.

192 jamgarr  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:43:44pm

If Walpin has a legitimate claim he can work it through the court system, where the truth usually comes out.

But … can’t he speak truth to power?

193 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:43:52pm

re: #178 unrealizedviewpoint

You will be required to take in borders, collect NO rents, and perform 25 hours (weekly) community service. /

Screw that, I have half of Mexico here already.

/

194 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:43:57pm

re: #138 kansas

She’s an idiot, an IDer, a Paulian…..anybody wanna throw in the No True Scotsman fallacy for good measure?

I think I can safely say she is not true conservative.

195 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:44:20pm

re: #182 kansas

I’m betting there was no child porn. It’s just to prevent anyone who might be seeing this guy as an example will turn against him.


Dunno whether that will do the trick. The bastard is a frothing anti-semite, and there are plenty of them around who would overlook his other perversions just because of that.

196 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:44:26pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Someone has to do it. And “doing” something implies that the Executive Branch does it. Which would be directed by the White House.

Who else should be in charge? The Queen?

Maybe. Is she busy?

197 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:44:56pm

re: #178 unrealizedviewpoint

You will be required to take in borders, collect NO rents, and perform 25 hours (weekly) community service. /

Well, I didn’t think Obama would do what he has done so far.

198 LSD  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:45:36pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Someone has to do it. And “doing” something implies that the Executive Branch does it. Which would be directed by the White House.

Who else should be in charge? The Queen?

Uhhh wouldn’t that be The Dept. Of Commerce?

199 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:46:00pm

Folks, this is absolutely riveting!

But I had oral surgery today, feeling the effects of the drugs, my jaw feels like it’s been broken in 5 places, face is still numb, I can’t type worth antyi8ng (having to fis every 2nd letter), so I think I will go take a pain med, sleep and see ya’ll in the morning!

200 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:46:00pm

re: #182 kansas

I’m betting there was no child porn. It’s just to prevent anyone who might be seeing this guy as an example will turn against him.

Mohammed was a pedophile. I don’t think Hitler was.

201 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:46:15pm

re: #179 pat

I have had the census people on the phone trying to get info. When I asked exactly what they were going to do about my refusal, she replied nothing really.

Unless something has changed, they don’t do anything. I completely ignored the 2000 census (for no other reason than being lazy, preoccupied, and forgetful), and absolutely NOTHING happened to me.

/except for that newt thing.

202 Bloodnok  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:46:40pm

re: #199 reine.de.tout

Folks, this is absolutely riveting!

But I had oral surgery today, feeling the effects of the drugs, my jaw feels like it’s been broken in 5 places, face is still numb, I can’t type worth antyi8ng (having to fis every 2nd letter), so I think I will go take a pain med, sleep and see ya’ll in the morning!

Good night! Hope you feel better in the morning!

203 Sabnen  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:46:47pm

The 1840 census asked these questions[2]:
FYI …

The 1840 Census

* Name of head of family
* Address
* Number of free white males and females
o in five-year age groups to age 20
o in 10-year age groups from 20 to 100
o 100 years and older
* number of slaves and free colored persons in six age groups
* number of deaf and dumb
* number of blind
* number of insane and idiotic in public or private charge
* number of persons in each family employed in seven classes of occupation
* number of schools and number of scholars
* number of white persons over 20 who could not read and write
* number of pensioners for Revolutionary or military service

204 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:46:52pm
205 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:46:58pm

re: #199 reine.de.tout

OUCH!

Sleep well, ma petite fleur.

/

206 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:47:42pm

re: #182 kansas

I’m betting there was no child porn. It’s just to prevent anyone who might be seeing this guy as an example will turn against him.

By that logic pedophiles may side with him?
Few people think as this man, I doubt that was a consideration.

207 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:47:51pm

re: #190 taxfreekiller

Honestly, that sounds like something Alex Jones would say.

208 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:48:02pm

re: #115 snowcrash

Here’s the PDF, tell me if you want to answer all the questions?

Extremely intrusive.

I reckon I’ll not be answering the door to folks I don’t know for a while.

209 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:48:22pm

re: #200 Alouette

Mohammed was a pedophile. I don’t think Hitler was.

Kinda my point. Trying to use whatever they can to discredit him with anyone who might otherwise admire him. I’m just speculating.

210 pat  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:48:24pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

Yep. When they start asking about your trucks mileage, things have gone too far. True.

211 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:48:25pm

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

No, not any more, but about 3 years ago I did, and it changed my life at the time as far as energy level etc. I don’t need it now at all, because I lost about 200 pounds, but I still use it sometimes, just cause I like the “hum” in my head.

Me too. I have to pull the trigger on the lifestyle change thing. I am really starting to feel my age. I think that I would miss the white noise were I to stop using the CPAP.

212 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:48:28pm

re: #176 OldLineTexan

Oh, I doubt seriously that this was planted by the cops. But it may have been deposited by malware, etc.

Or he’s a nutbag and a perv. Not that that’s ever happened before.

/

Yeah,whatever pr0n is on there, is probably really his. I was playing devil’s advocate in the first paragraph. I should have made that more clear.

I could see there being a lot of pr0n on this guy’s computer. He’s a loser who knows computers; and pr0n is what losers do with their computers. But I’m surprised it was underage; for that, I’d expect a prior record of sex offenses. He has a criminal record but his record was for craziness, not sex.

213 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:48:30pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Zimriel, I am not being a smart ass to you.

Who did it before? Moreover, I posed a question about how much anyone has read into the actual foundation of ACORN. If you have not, put some time in, and actually see what their aim is.

It is not black helicopter territory to be critical of certain groups. Were we foolish to be critical of Carter & his involvement in the Hamas election?

The reason we know something does not smell right is because of research. The SAMAH kind of research. You know, Holy Land trials, etc.

I have major issues with not only the group itself, but the proximity of this group to the executive branch of power in this country. Call me a lunatic, but it is way more than a casual link there.

I have major issues with this.

214 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:48:44pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

/except for that newt thing.

You got better, didn’t you?

Youtube Video

My household never completed the 2000 census; nothing happened.

215 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:48:46pm

re: #163 Yankee Division Son

I didn’t see a question asking of you were a citizen. Did I miss that one?

Yes but, there is no question about illegal immigrants.

216 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:49:21pm

re: #190 taxfreekiller

They have to know how many old dirty blankets they will need to put you all on the dole, they have to know the size of the population of the reservation, they need to know the numbers of liver transplants, the number of bypass operations, the contact lenses needed, the number of three wheel 10 hp carts you will need to get to the food stamp window.

ACORN going to count and re-count until you all get in the dole line.

Some choose the line now, the msm wants firsties….

In your own inimitable way, you’re describing what bothers me about the whole thing. That PDF appears to be training material for census takers. After every question, there’s all kinds of puffery about how the question is important for “federal needs” and “community benefits.” What it’s really about is obtaining data to support the social engineering that seems to be the primary purpose of the federal government in general, and the Obama administration in particular.

Example: Tonight my husband read me an article about a new credit of $4K for anyone who buys a new, more fuel-efficient car and trades in an old gas guzzler. At first you think, oh cool, I can save $4k on a car. But when you look closely, you realize the government is manipulating your decision by artificially making a particular kind of car more attractive. I do not like being manipulated. It’s the same reason I despise advertising - I always see through it. And when it’s the government doing it, I think it’s downright evil.

217 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:49:31pm

Here is the end result of the Census’s work: The Statistical Abstract of the United States. Well, that and the apportionment of Congress.

218 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:50:01pm

re: #208 MandyManners
How about page 58 and all the questions about health care coverage!

219 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:51:09pm

re: #199 reine.de.tout

Folks, this is absolutely riveting!

But I had oral surgery today, feeling the effects of the drugs, my jaw feels like it’s been broken in 5 places, face is still numb, I can’t type worth antyi8ng (having to fis every 2nd letter), so I think I will go take a pain med, sleep and see ya’ll in the morning!

Feel better soon!

220 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:51:22pm

re: #201 Slumbering Behemoth

Unless something has changed, they don’t do anything. I completely ignored the 2000 census (for no other reason than being lazy, preoccupied, and forgetful), and absolutely NOTHING happened to me.

/except for that newt thing.

I think I didn’t get any followup because I moved in the spring of 2000. My phone number stayed the same, so I suppose they could have found me, but they didn’t bother. I think this time, I might go the Cato route of disinformation.

221 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:51:40pm

re: #213 formercorpsman

Zimriel, I am not being a smart ass to you.

Who did it before? Moreover, I posed a question about how much anyone has read into the actual foundation of ACORN. If you have not, put some time in, and actually see what their aim is.

It is not black helicopter territory to be critical of certain groups. Were we foolish to be critical of Carter & his involvement in the Hamas election?

The reason we know something does not smell right is because of research. The SAMAH kind of research. You know, Holy Land trials, etc.

I have major issues with not only the group itself, but the proximity of this group to the executive branch of power in this country. Call me a lunatic, but it is way more than a casual link there.

I have major issues with this.

Didn’t he represent them when he was an attorney with Miner Barnhill?

222 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:51:49pm

re: #218 snowcrash
And your VA rating of disability on pg 61. Seriously intrusive.

223 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:52:40pm

re: #216 doppelganglander

Yes, I was going to mention that cash for clunkers here the other day.

Another commercial is being played on my morning drive.

Government paid cell phones.

Guess how that is being funded?

224 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:52:48pm

re: #216 doppelganglander

So would it have us all driving Priuses?

225 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:52:56pm

Isn’t Chicano a Mexican-American?

226 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:53:12pm

re: #221 MandyManners

Oh, that just makes us look crazy, don’t mention that.

227 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:53:18pm

re: #182 kansas

I’m betting there was no child porn. It’s just to prevent anyone who might be seeing this guy as an example will turn against him.

That’s unlikely.

228 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:53:48pm

re: #223 formercorpsman

A new tax on cell phones?

229 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:53:52pm

re: #213 formercorpsman

Lou Dobbs had a snippet on ACORN tonight — if i got the figure correct, ACORN is now being investigated in 10 states for electoral fraud.

230 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:53:56pm

re: #218 snowcrash

How about page 58 and all the questions about health care coverage!

I haven’t read that far yet. I’m looking at the page that demands we tell them for whom we work and the address.

231 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:54:07pm

re: #225 solomonpanting

Isn’t Chicano a Mexican-American?

I thought he had a television program in the 70’s with “the man”.

232 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:54:29pm

re: #224 J.D.

So would it have us all driving Priuses?

Evidently, or at least a more fuel-efficient vehicle than the Canyonero you are presumably trading in.

I make fun of Hummer drivers as much as the next person, but if they can afford that beast and the gas to go with it, it is none of my business what they drive.

233 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:54:38pm

re: #229 J.S.

Lou Dobbs had a snippet on ACORN tonight — if i got the figure correct, ACORN is now being investigated in 10 states for electoral fraud.

It’s OK, Chuck Schumer, no one will accuse you of associating with them.

234 Macker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:55:20pm

re: #231 Truck Monkey

That was Chico and The Man

235 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:55:29pm

re: #223 formercorpsman

Yes, I was going to mention that cash for clunkers here the other day.

Another commercial is being played on my morning drive.

Government paid cell phones.

Guess how that is being funded?

Probably a lot like the TV converter boxes that 700,000 people were still too stupid to obtain and use properly, even after 2 years of being told about them.

236 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:55:38pm

Black helicopters are real. Few years back the power company was putting a line to my Dads house, I was there helping. Two power works, Dad and Mom and me were standing on the N side of the house. This black helicopter swooped over the top of the house from the south and hovered about 50 feet off the ground with the pilot looking right at us. No markings on the craft. He stayed a few seconds and swooped off. I have no idea WTF that was about.

237 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:55:56pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

That’s unlikely.

You are probably correct.

238 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:56:12pm

re: #228 J.D.

Do you have a cell phone?

239 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:56:28pm

re: #229 J.S.

Lou Dobbs had a snippet on ACORN tonight — if i got the figure correct, ACORN is now being investigated in 10 states for electoral fraud.

…Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller and Atty. Gen. Catherine Cortez Masto, announced May 4 that the community-organizing group itself and two of its former senior employees in the state were charged with a total of 39 felony counts related to fraudulent voter registrations….

…Later that first week in May, Allegheny County, Pa., District Attorney Stephen Zappala Jr., also a Democrat, unveiled seven charges against former ACORN workers for falsifying voter registration forms. …


RICO Probe of ACORN Needed Now

240 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:56:57pm

re: #236 kansas

Black helicopters are real. Few years back the power company was putting a line to my Dads house, I was there helping. Two power works, Dad and Mom and me were standing on the N side of the house. This black helicopter swooped over the top of the house from the south and hovered about 50 feet off the ground with the pilot looking right at us. No markings on the craft. He stayed a few seconds and swooped off. I have no idea WTF that was about.

Census verifier?

241 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:57:05pm

re: #229 J.S.

Lou Dobbs had a snippet on ACORN tonight — if i got the figure correct, ACORN is now being investigated in 10 states for electoral fraud.

I think I have read many times on this sight how there is no proof of fraud./

242 kynna  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:57:21pm

re: #180 freetoken

Are you saying Walpin appeared on TV (twice, first with Judge N., then with Glenn Beck) not of his own free will?

Walpin may have a legitimate gripe about his dismissal.

However, he appears to be freely associating with the fringe crowd.

If he cared about his own case why is he hanging out with the marginalia of public discourse?

Because they’re the ones who are inviting him. If he turns them down where’s he going to go? Yes, he cares about his case. Do I wish he were hanging with more legit people? Yes I do. But the “legit” people aren’t clamoring to chat with him. His story needs to get out. It’s important.

And as far as his “day in court” goes — without any publicity at all he’ll be standing in line behind the GM bondholders and those who were accosted by the New Black Panthers on election day. Which means he won’t freaking get a day in court.

While I’m not loving all his supporters, I’m disgusted with those who are ignoring him even more.

243 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:57:22pm

re: #233 OldLineTexan

It’s OK, Chuck Schumer, no one will accuse you of associating with them.

It’s good to go to an ACORN party with the organizers and authors of the voting fraud.

But it’s bad to go to a Tea Party with your neighbors, because there may be a netNazi seven states over claiming to be there, too.

Learn the DoubleStandard and love it, because it will be with you always.

244 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:57:31pm

re: #240 unrealizedviewpoint

Census verifier?

Definitely change my underwear verifier.

245 KingKenrod  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:57:52pm

The problem with people not answering census questions that are too intrusive is that those who feel otherwise will be oversampled. Statistical data will be skewed away from your demographic to others. If you don’t answer at all, you’ll lose representation in Congress.

Obama would love it if conservatives clammed up over the census.

246 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:57:58pm

There does not appear to be any justification for White House involvement with the Census. How did Rahm E. justify his request to have the results routed through him?

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Also, this quote from the article:
“Critics note that the method of counting can skew the census. Democrats have long advocated using mathematical estimates, a practice known as “sampling,” to count urban residents and immigrants. Republicans say the Constitution requires a physical head count, which entails going door-to-door.”

247 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:58:00pm

re: #232 doppelganglander

Evidently, or at least a more fuel-efficient vehicle than the Canyonero you are presumably trading in.

I make fun of Hummer drivers as much as the next person, but if they can afford that beast and the gas to go with it, it is none of my business what they drive.

When I worked at Ford, I managed a database of vehicle warranty issues and technical service manuals. If a Ford Escape or Mercury Mariner hybrid vehicle is involved in a wreck, a specially trained environmental technician has to remove the battery, because it’s a an environmental hazard.

Regular combustion engine vehicles do not have the problem.

I kid you not.

248 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:58:22pm

re: #235 doppelganglander

Well, that is what it is. I’m sure 911 service will be flooded on that day of transition.

If you have a cell phone, you are paying for other folks who don’t.

No hyperbole, plain and simple.

249 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:58:28pm

re: #191 Shiplord Kirel

Well said as usual. Bachman is indeed whacked out. While I don’t have Acorn derangement syndrome, suffice to say I’m no fan. A pox on both their houses I say.

250 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:58:45pm

re: #246 NelsFree

There does not appear to be any justification for White House involvement with the Census. How did Rahm E. justify his request to have the results routed through him?

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Also, this quote from the article:
“Critics note that the method of counting can skew the census. Democrats have long advocated using mathematical estimates, a practice known as “sampling,” to count urban residents and immigrants. Republicans say the Constitution requires a physical head count, which entails going door-to-door.”

Nels … dead fish for you …

251 Gearhead  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:58:50pm

re: #35 Sabnen


number of insane and idiotic in public or private charge

In today’s language, that question would read “What is you opinion of your elected representatives?”

252 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:58:59pm

re: #232 doppelganglander

It’s still a free country, isn’t it?

/not so much

253 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:59:07pm

182 kansas

I’m betting there was no child porn. It’s just to prevent anyone who might be seeing this guy as an example will turn against him.

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

That’s unlikely.

Yeah, anyone who thinks of this whacko as a role model would immediately assume that the Zionists planted the porn. The Jewish use of porn as a weapon is right there in the Protocols (I am not joking).

We just don’t know the nature and extent of this stuff. I’m not sure we want to know what got him off at night. Right now I’m assuming that what is on there, is “Naughty Cheerleaders II”, with a lot of 26 year old porn stars heavily niptucked and airbrushed. But, as my posts above have demonstrated, I try hard to be cautious.

254 pegcity  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:59:23pm

re: #236 kansas

From Wikipedia

At least some sightings of black helicopters are very likely to have been helicopters on exercises and/or missions. Some of them are flown by units of the Army National Guard and are actually black (not dark olive or chocolate brown) when seen in ordinary light. The Department of Homeland Security operates a dozen black-and-gold UH-60 Blackhawk under the US Customs Service.[10] The American military does in fact operate helicopters painted in black or dark colors, particularly the Pave Low which is optimized for long-range stealthy insertion and extraction of personnel, including combat search and rescue.

255 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:59:41pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

OT - Momentary truce. How is the CPAP doing? Can you tell the difference now? Just curious

It can be a real truce and not a hudna if you like. I’ve got no personal animus toward you. ;^)

It is helping now. I’ve gotten used to the physical sensations of wearing it and seem to be sleeping much better. Waking earlier. I still get powerfully fatigued around midday and need to take a nap, but not as long as before and not with the same feeling of being totally logy and unsatisfied afterward. And the residual fatigue could be related to other factors.

By the way, my nick is blue for the next ten minutes. If you’d care to give me a few tips on how you dropped all the lbs., that’d be great.

Cheers!

256 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 6:59:52pm

re: #238 formercorpsman

Do you have a cell phone?

I do! I held out until February of 2006, though!
Do you?

257 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:00:08pm

re: #245 KingKenrod

The problem with people not answering census questions that are too intrusive is that those who feel otherwise will be oversampled. Statistical data will be skewed away from your demographic to others. If you don’t answer at all, you’ll lose representation in Congress.

Obama would love it if conservatives clammed up over the census.

Seems to me the less educated, the undocumented, criminal element, etc.. would be the ones most likely to evade the census.

258 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:00:25pm

From Fark.com:

Things are not rosy for the Basij and there are increasing signs that they are starting not only to lose ground, but to fear for their safety. There are many reports that most Basij forces are now hiding their identities with masks for fear of reprisal. There are websites being created featuring images and often identities of Basij who have been violently repressing students, calling for action to be taken against those men. (Basji are the main headcrackers right now)

As for the political scene, the majority of Grand Ayatollahs who expressed an opinion on this have sided with the protesters/against the results of the election. They are GA Ardebili, GA Montazeri, GA Shirazi, GA Golpaygani and GA Sanei. The only Grand Ayatollah who has sided in favor of the election results is Khameini, who is also the Supreme Leader of the Revolutionary Council, and the facto ruler of Iran.

Basji are arresting people in their hospital beds.

Possible fistfights in Parliament.

The army is not taking sides.

Some police are openly supporting protestors.

259 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:00:25pm

re: #247 Alouette

When I worked at Ford, I managed a database of vehicle warranty issues and technical service manuals. If a Ford Escape or Mercury Mariner hybrid vehicle is involved in a wreck, a specially trained environmental technician has to remove the battery, because it’s a an environmental hazard.

Regular combustion engine vehicles do not have the problem.

I kid you not.

Tell that to your mechanic, who pays environmental and disposal fees for oil, grease, batteries, tires, etc., and passes the savings on to you.

260 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:01:11pm

Walter: correction - now it’s blue.

261 McJenny50  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:01:28pm

I haven’t had time to read through the comments but I had this bookmarked and thought I’d post it for all those that hadn’t read it. After I read through it I debated about filling it out completely. If you haven’t read it, here it is and see what you think:

[Link: www.census.gov…]

262 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:01:29pm

re: #236 kansas

Black helicopters are real. Few years back the power company was putting a line to my Dads house, I was there helping. Two power works, Dad and Mom and me were standing on the N side of the house. This black helicopter swooped over the top of the house from the south and hovered about 50 feet off the ground with the pilot looking right at us. No markings on the craft. He stayed a few seconds and swooped off. I have no idea WTF that was about.

You didn’t look directly in his eyes did you?

263 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:01:34pm

ACORN fraud links.

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com…]

[Link: hillbuzz.org…]

[Link: michellemalkin.com…]

[Link: www.epionline.org…]

[Link: www.rottenacorn.com…]

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

The last one is an article about how ACORN tried to cover up embezzlement within its own ranks.

264 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:01:49pm

re: #248 formercorpsman

Well, that is what it is. I’m sure 911 service will be flooded on that day of transition.

If you have a cell phone, you are paying for other folks who don’t.

No hyperbole, plain and simple.

It was last Friday, and sure enough, people were confused.

“Our call center remains open, our teams are in the field, and our Web site, [Link: www.dtv.gov,…] is updated to reflect the kinds of problems viewers are having,” he said. The help line, 1-888-CALL-FCC, received about 900,000 calls last week, the agency said. It counted 95,000 more calls on Monday and 58,000 on Tuesday.
265 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:01:58pm

No problem. They can just get Bachmann’s info by monitoring her telephone and Internet. Surely she’ll have no problem with that, seeing as she supported it.

266 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:02:05pm

re: #263 MandyManners

ACORN fraud links.

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com…]

[Link: hillbuzz.org…]

[Link: michellemalkin.com…]

[Link: www.epionline.org…]

[Link: www.rottenacorn.com…]

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

The last one is an article about how ACORN tried to cover up embezzlement within its own ranks.

MM … never delete your links! l…

267 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:02:09pm

re: #253 Zimriel

The Jewish use of porn as a weapon is right there in the Protocols (I am not joking).

WHY DO YOU THINK IT’S CALLED “PLAYGOY”?!

THE TROOF IS OUT THERE!

268 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:02:14pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

LOL! I hope you get excused!

269 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:02:36pm

re: #220 doppelganglander

I think I didn’t get any followup because I moved in the spring of 2000. My phone number stayed the same, so I suppose they could have found me, but they didn’t bother. I think this time, I might go the Cato route of disinformation.

I don’t think I’ll go that far. Probably just ask for a form to fill out, and only answer the questions necessary for the gov’t to determine the allocation of congressional seats and electoral votes, and leave the unrelated questions blank.

270 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:03:18pm

re: #259 OldLineTexan

Tell that to your mechanic, who pays environmental and disposal fees for oil, grease, batteries, tires, etc., and passes the savings on to you.

There are some very serious heavy metal hazards should these batteries leak into the environment. much more so then say a tire or lead battery.

271 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:03:25pm

re: #247 Alouette

. If a Ford Escape or Mercury Mariner hybrid vehicle is involved in a wreck, a specially trained environmental technician has to remove the battery, because it’s a an environmental hazard.

/dons Common Sense Hat:
Firemen aren’t gonna wait for him/her. They have probably had discussions in many a firehouse about it, my guess.
/removes Hat:
“Every accident site involving a hybrid becomes a Superfund cleanup site! More Federal Dollars!”

272 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:03:31pm

New at zomblog (published 30 seconds ago — we’re talkin’ new):

In Berkeley…even the private-school students are communists

Berkeley is so left-wing…

…that when 7th- and 8th-graders at an expensive prestigious private school are asked to design their own tiles for a permanently displayed mosaic, they draw a big hammer-and-sickle and declare as their message to the world, “Capitalism will fail.”

The first installment of my “In Berkeley…” series.

273 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:03:55pm

This doers tie in with our earlier thread about the bad polling numbers for the GOP. There is a lot of criticize about Obama and his policies. However, conservatives and the GOP have somehow managed to embrace policies worse than Obama’s; Letting the banks fail, Fair Tax, Gold Standard, Nirth Certifikate, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Tea Parties and a never ending daily slew of easily debunked conspiracy theories has not helped the GOP. Conservatives are the instruments of their own destruction. More crazy ain’t gonna fix it.

274 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:03:59pm

re: #243 OldLineTexan

It’s good to go to an ACORN party with the organizers and authors of the voting fraud.

But it’s bad to go to a Tea Party with your neighbors, because there may be a netNazi seven states over claiming to be there, too.

Learn the DoubleStandard and love it, because it will be with you always.

I don’t like that fact either, but there isn’t anything we can do about. Acorn can have a party with New Black Panthers in attendance and the MSM will cover for them. For us it remains One Racist Can ruin Your Whole Tea Party because the MSM has decided we’re the bad guys. Until we manage to take the MSM down several more pegs, It’s like that, and that’s the way it is.

275 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:04:09pm

re: #259 OldLineTexan

Tell that to your mechanic, who pays environmental and disposal fees for oil, grease, batteries, tires, etc., and passes the savings on to you.

The hybrid battery is a greater environmental hazard than the regular battery, it should only be handled by a mechanic who is hybrid certified.

276 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:04:21pm

re: #262 Truck Monkey

You didn’t look directly in his eyes did you?

Yes I did. You think I’ll be OK?

277 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:04:52pm

re: #268 Floral Giraffe
I hope he ends up the jury foreman! He’d be good.

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:04:59pm

re: #236 kansas

I have no idea WTF that was about.

The were just making sure you weren’t on the web reading PrisonPlanet.
/

279 Caboose  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:05:13pm

re: #87 freetoken

As far as I am concerned, all moonbats are part of the same genus - Moonbatus (or would that be Moonbatae … I get my Latin nomenclature mixed up.)

Hmmmm, how about Moonbatae sinister for those Moonbats on the Left and Moonbatae dexter for those on the right? (IIRC, ‘dexter’ implies right-handedness, but I might be all wrong. But I still like the ‘sinister’ part…)

280 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:05:25pm

re: #270 unrealizedviewpoint

There are some very serious heavy metal hazards should these batteries leak into the environment. much more so then say a tire or lead battery.

All batteries are environmental hazards; lead is just as dangerous as anything else. I just had to research battery requirements for aircraft, and there are new regs every day. Try a search on “RoHS”.

281 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:05:27pm

Discover the Networks.

282 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:05:34pm

re: #256 J.D.

My wife does. I lived on a cell phone for a very long time. Since I am not a trauma call anymore, I do not.

It was a very weird, but liberating experience. It was so bad, even when I was not on call, I would start stressing whenever the damn thing would ring.

If someone needs me, I am either at work or home. My time in the car is my time.

Seriously look up how they fund Safelink. As well, before anyone thinks I might be spewing, I had to track this down for a couple of days.

Simply because hearing a commercial on my morning drive, declaring if you are on medicare or medicaid you are entitled to a cell phone at no expense.

283 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:05:43pm

re: #258 SteveC

From Fark.com:

As for the political scene, the majority of Grand Ayatollahs who expressed an opinion on this have sided with the protesters/against the results of the election. They are GA Ardebili, GA Montazeri, GA Shirazi, GA Golpaygani and GA Sanei. The only Grand Ayatollah who has sided in favor of the election results is Khameini, who is also the Supreme Leader of the Revolutionary Council, and the facto ruler of Iran.

Basji are arresting people in their hospital beds.

Possible fistfights in Parliament.

The army is not taking sides.

Some police are openly supporting protestors.

Sanei is a liberal and Montazeri is, also, someone of whom we have heard. And Khameini is not an Ayatollah; he is the next religious rank down, “Hujjat al-Islam”. (Or, at least, was in that rank when he became the supreme leader.)

I’ve seen pictures that some of those doing the repressions are in ski masks, and some aren’t. I’m guessing that the ski masked crowd-beaters are ethnic Persians who might be recognised; and that the bare faced ones are imported Lebanese.

284 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:06:11pm

re: #266 JacksonTn

MM … never delete your links! l…

I rarely do which is why I’m ass-deep in them.

285 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:06:12pm

re: #264 doppelganglander

Good lord.

286 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:06:31pm

THE CENSUS IS UNBELIEVABLY INTRUSIVE.

287 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:06:38pm

More from Fark:

According to Reuters, Iranian prosecutors have warned of the death penalty for the rioters who are involved in violence. Islamic cleric have warned that not going to Friday’s prayer service makes you worthy of the death penalty.

Supposedly the person who leaked the “Dinnerjacket finished 3rd” memo perished in a “car accident”.

288 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:06:44pm

re: #284 MandyManners

I rarely do which is why I’m ass-deep in them.

MM … good because people should not forget …

289 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:06:48pm

re: #280 OldLineTexan

Try a search on “RoHS”.

As in “ruh RoHS”? The Scooby-Doo exclamation? What does that have to do with hazardous waste?

290 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:07:02pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

I don’t like that fact either, but there isn’t anything we can do about. Acorn can have a party with New Black Panthers in attendance and the MSM will cover for them. For us it remains One Racist Can ruin Your Whole Tea Party because the MSM has decided we’re the bad guys. Until we manage to take the MSM down several more pegs, It’s like that, and that’s the way it is.

Many here will decry one all day and let the other slide.

I know the DoubleStandard, and I am still free to point it out, fruitlessly if need be.

291 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:07:02pm

The Census also wants to know if your house has:

a. hot and cold running water? b. a flush toilet? c. a bathtub or shower? d. a sink with a faucet? f. a refrigerator? e. a stove or range? g. telephone service from which you can both make and receive calls? Include cell phones.

Seriously? Are they taking the census in Hooterville?

292 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:07:10pm

re: #279 Caboose

Hmmmm, how about Moonbatae sinister for those Moonbats on the Left and Moonbatae dexter for those on the right? (IIRC, ‘dexter’ implies right-handedness, but I might be all wrong. But I still like the ‘sinister’ part…)

Fine. Some of us will like the ‘dexter’ part for its allusion to a serial killer. :)

(I’m just teasing you.)

293 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:07:22pm

re: #272 zombie

New at zomblog (published 30 seconds ago — we’re talkin’ new):

In Berkeley…even the private-school students are communists

The first installment of my “In Berkeley…” series.

“A wonderful day at the yaht club”

That’s so great, teaching them about Communism and anarchy and dope, but not stupid bourgeois spelling.

294 Sabnen  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:09:09pm

Interesting to see how the census has changed from 14 questions in 1840 to 46 questions now (2008). What will it look like after another 10 iterations? It looks like they add 2 or 3 questions each decade and rarely toss an old question.

They justify many of the questions as having ’ … been asked ever since 1940’ or 1890 or whatever year and they don’t want to throw it out … I’d guess it is for trend data.

I know the Constitution says every American is to be counted every 10 years, but this could be done more accurately, with sampling, at 1/100th of what it is budgeted cost this decade.

295 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:09:15pm

re: #292 iceweasel
Never saw the TV show but enjoyed the books by Jeff Lindsey.

296 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:09:38pm

re: #272 zombie

New at zomblog (published 30 seconds ago — we’re talkin’ new):

In Berkeley…even the private-school students are communists

The first installment of my “In Berkeley…” series.

OMG! Bark-at-the-Left-Side-of-the-Moon Crazy.

297 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:09:48pm

re: #291 doppelganglander

The Census also wants to know if your house has:

Seriously? Are they taking the census in Hooterville?

Do you want to exclude the good citizens of Hooterville? They need to be counted too!
/
more seriously, I remember hearing that one problem with the Census was the difficulty in getting a count of the homeless and squatters. Maybe this is also about them?
(although I can’t imagine they’ll be filling out a 50+ form, that’s for sure.)

298 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:09:51pm

re: #291 doppelganglander

I can only imagine the reason for that.

Tell me they won’t be referencing those numbers in some political ad, or debate question in the future.

That is unreal.

299 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:10:01pm

re: #289 Occasional Reader

As in “ruh RoHS”? The Scooby-Doo exclamation? What does that have to do with hazardous waste?

Assuming your sarc tag is implied, it’s Reduction of Hazardous Substances, and it is changing manufactured goods worldwide. Everything in your computer, for example, from the sheet metal coating to the battery to the plastics, is included.

300 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:10:27pm

re: #261 McJenny50

My Gosh! I usually avoid epithets and derogatory language. I MAY make an exception to that rule, this time…
Screw that! Yeah! That questionnaire is WAY too intrusive. The Democrats must have written it.

301 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:10:31pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

For many years the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at a housing government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.

2001

April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.”

2002

May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

2003

January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.

February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that “although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations,” “the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them.” As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. (”Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO,” OFHEO Report, 2/4/03).

September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO’s review found earnings manipulations.

September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.

…


…and there’s more…

302 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:10:46pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

This doers tie in with our earlier thread about the bad polling numbers for the GOP. There is a lot of criticize about Obama and his policies. However, conservatives and the GOP have somehow managed to embrace policies worse than Obama’s; Letting the banks fail, Fair Tax, Gold Standard, Nirth Certifikate, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Tea Parties and a never ending daily slew of easily debunked conspiracy theories has not helped the GOP. Conservatives are the instruments of their own destruction. More crazy ain’t gonna fix it.

Though I agree with you on the surface of most of that, I am gonna jump into the “No True Scottsman” overalls and say that folks going in for a lot of that crap can’t truly be considered conservative.

Republican, maybe. But conservative? Yeah, I suppose nutters that go in for that crap call themselves conservatives, but I think they are only fooling themselves.

303 Zimriel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:10:48pm

Says here that Khamanei is an Ayatollah because the government calls him that. I’ve seen a number of articles which say the same. I suspect Khamanei has an inferiority complex because his fellow Shi’ites think he’s a joke.

304 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:11:12pm

re: #299 OldLineTexan

Assuming your sarc tag is implied, it’s Reduction of Hazardous Substances, and it is changing manufactured goods worldwide. Everything in your computer, for example, from the sheet metal coating to the battery to the plastics, is included.

Ruh-Rohs. I forgot the sarc tag.

305 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:11:13pm

Twitter: Google is going to launch English/Farsi translator tomorrow appx 8 AM

306 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:11:23pm

Is it true that ACORN is going to be involved in the census? … if so it is crazy … is this the best the government can do? … come on … or is this just another campaign debt being checked off by Obama? …

307 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:11:27pm

re: #291 doppelganglander

The Census also wants to know if your house has:


Seriously? Are they taking the census in Hooterville?

See “colonia”. Gotta get “representation” for the “immigrants”.

308 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:11:54pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

Yes. It’s like their only solution is “more crazy” and “more cowbell!”

309 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:12:38pm

re: #306 JacksonTn

Is it true that ACORN is going to be involved in the census? … if so it is crazy … is this the best the government can do? … come on … or is this just another campaign debt being checked off by Obama? …

Yes, it’s true.

310 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:12:38pm

i don’t blame her. i want to tell them as little as possible. especially w/ o in office.

311 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:12:50pm

re: #290 OldLineTexan

Many here will decry one all day and let the other slide.

I know the DoubleStandard, and I am still free to point it out, fruitlessly if need be.

Fair enough, that is a valid point.

312 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:13:01pm

By the way, folks, those Census Bureau crapgadgets l linked to in my #30?

Turns out the $600,000,000 they spent wasn’t enough to produce a working device.

They’ve been scrapped in favor of No. 2 pencils.

313 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:13:09pm

re: #301 J.D.

And in response voters put those at fault in charge. How fucked up is that?

314 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:13:13pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

This “doers”? Oh noes!
/h

Killgore, you are a tire wrench! Once you show up, everyone tightens up!
/h, ya big lug!

315 Obsidiandog  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:13:34pm

re: #22 soxfan4life

I wasn’t thrilled with the census guy taking a GPS reading at my front door. He asked if I had any questions and when I asked him why this was necessary he answered I don’t know. WTF.

It’s for targeting the JDAMs.

316 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:06pm

re: #282 formercorpsman

Simply because hearing a commercial on my morning drive, declaring if you are on medicare or medicaid you are entitled to a cell phone at no expense.


I’m happy I don’t qualify.
I’ll have to let my mother know, though, that she does.

I have to say it can be handy, but it’s an irritation as well.

317 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:10pm

ABC News reporter’s Twitter account hijacked. Story Here

318 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:25pm

re: #300 NelsFree

My Gosh! I usually avoid epithets and derogatory language. I MAY make an exception to that rule, this time…
Screw that! Yeah! That questionnaire is WAY too intrusive. The Democrats must have written it.

There are some forms that the democrats are simplifying.
2011 tax form has one question and one demand. How much money do you make? _________. Ok, good. Send it in.

See how simple that is?

319 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:31pm

re: #308 iceweasel

Neither comment has refuted anything I have made reference to.

Do you see any conflict of interest in having the White House oversee the Census, as opposed to the Commerce Department who had the job up until then?

It is a simple yes or no question.

320 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:32pm

re: #300 NelsFree
The census lists what year the questions were added and most of them were before this year. Health insurance and marital history are new.

321 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:35pm

President Barack Obama Thursday nominated Robert Groves, a sociology professor at the University of Michigan, to be the next director of the Census Bureau, a choice that riled some Republican lawmakers.

Mr. Groves, who served as associate director of statistical design at the Census Bureau from 1990 to 1992, is an expert on “sampling,” the practice of adjusting statistics in order to compensate for undercounting. This tends to bolster the number of people counted in urban areas that are typically Democratic strongholds. The census, which takes place next April, is used to apportion seats in the House of Representatives and disburse billions in federal dollars

SNIP

322 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:43pm

re: #312 Cato the Elder

O tempora! O mores!

323 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:44pm

re: #309 MandyManners

Yes, it’s true.

MM … pitiful and just another I WON! slap in the face …

324 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:45pm

re: #14 researchok

She’s part of the stimulus package for late night comedians.

325 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:14:54pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

I don’t like that fact either, but there isn’t anything we can do about. Acorn can have a party with New Black Panthers in attendance and the MSM will cover for them. For us it remains One Racist Can ruin Your Whole Tea Party because the MSM has decided we’re the bad guys. Until we manage to take the MSM down several more pegs, It’s like that, and that’s the way it is.

If the right allows MSM to foreclose criticism of the excesses of the left then the GOP is truly lost.

326 Gearhead  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:15:41pm

re: #312 Cato the Elder

By the way, folks, those Census Bureau crapgadgets l linked to in my #30?

Turns out the $600,000,000 they spent wasn’t enough to produce a working device.

They’ve been scrapped in favor of No. 2 pencils.

There’s proably an iPhone app for that by now.

327 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:15:54pm

re: #312 Cato the Elder

Incoming email your way.

328 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:16:02pm

re: #321 MandyManners

It’s a perfect storm.

329 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:16:20pm

re: #313 kansas

And in response voters put those at fault in charge. How fucked up is that?

Clearly, many didn’t even know.
And that is fucked up!

330 Caboose  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:16:33pm

re: #255 Cato the Elder

It can be a real truce and not a hudna if you like. I’ve got no personal animus toward you. ;^)

It is helping now. I’ve gotten used to the physical sensations of wearing it and seem to be sleeping much better. Waking earlier. I still get powerfully fatigued around midday and need to take a nap, but not as long as before and not with the same feeling of being totally logy and unsatisfied afterward. And the residual fatigue could be related to other factors.

By the way, my nick is blue for the next ten minutes. If you’d care to give me a few tips on how you dropped all the lbs., that’d be great.

Cheers!

Hey Cato, as a long time CPAP user (and I had the surgery done prior to going on to the “supercharger” on the day that the ground war began in Iraq), please consider trying out a couple different masks; my personal preference is the one with the nasal pillows (Puritan Breeze IIRC), but YMMV. Keep it clean and change the filters regularly. Also check to see if your supplier can bill your health insurance directly for the consumables; about every three months, i get a box from them with new filters, pillows, hoses and (when allowed) a new mask.

I’ve also dropped 30 lbs and two pant sizes by joining Weight Watchers and becoming more physically active. A lot of what I had is now muscle not flab. Most weekday mornings, i’m at the YMCA at 0500 and try to get 2-3 hours of cardio, strength training and swimming in. Plus some yoga and Pilates for flexibility.

331 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:16:35pm

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

Incoming email your way.

What about the JDAM?

/

332 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:16:43pm

re: #328 OldLineTexan

It’s a perfect storm.

OLT … yes and just a continuation of how Obama won …

333 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:16:59pm

re: #90 iceweasel

Yes. I’ll say this for ACORN; it was wellnamed, because the mere mention of it drives some people completely nuts. Although Bachmann didn’t have far to go.

Also, “Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.”

I would suggest that it isn’t the name “ACORN” that drives people nuts.

But instead it’s some of the activities of “ACORN’ that drives people nuts.

Bachmann is, nevertheless, an idiot

334 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:17:16pm

re: #305 SteveC

Twitter: Google is going to launch English/Farsi translator tomorrow appx 8 AM

* * * *
Can’t believe one for Farsi/English English/Farsi doesn’t already exist. Reverso.net or Reverso.com is a good package for translating many languages.

335 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:17:31pm

re: #322 iceweasel

O tempora! O mores!

(Japanese summer camp version)

O tempura! O s’mores!

336 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:17:52pm

re: #90 iceweasel

Yes. I’ll say this for ACORN; it was wellnamed, because the mere mention of it drives some people completely nuts. Although Bachmann didn’t have far to go.

Also, “Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.”

IW … do you know the whole history of ACORN? …

337 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:18:07pm

re: #298 formercorpsman

I can only imagine the reason for that.

Tell me they won’t be referencing those numbers in some political ad, or debate question in the future.

That is unreal.

It’s custom made for John Edwards, the Ego That Will Not Die.

338 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:18:16pm

re: #328 OldLineTexan

Oh no, we’re lunatics for questioning it.

Redistricting? Gerrymandering?

No, this is a figment of the conservative imagination.

339 firepilot  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:18:25pm

re: #70 ArmyWife

I’m in Virginia now, but originally from San Antonio.

And I grew up north of Uvalde in Leakey.

340 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:18:32pm

re: #312 Cato the Elder

At $14B, thats $46 bucks to count everybody, per person. Sounds cost effective to me.

341 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:18:47pm

Let me get this straight : It’s honorable to agree with Obama when he is right, but when Michelle Bachman makes sense it’s wrong to agree with her?

So ACORN’s involvement in the census is a good thing?
Should we give them more money?

I’ll wait and see how much $ they get. But Ill bet the numbers are going up compared to what they got under Bush.

and I think I’ll toss my census in the trash when I get it

342 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:18:51pm

re: #338 formercorpsman

Oh no, we’re lunatics for questioning it.

Redistricting? Gerrymandering?

No, this is a figment of the conservative imagination.

Yes, we are a bunch of nutty whiners.

343 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:19:21pm

re: #339 firepilot

And I grew up north of Uvalde in Leakey.

One of the most beautiful spots in the state.

344 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:19:47pm

re: #333 reine.de.tout

I would suggest that it isn’t the name “ACORN” that drives people nuts.

But instead it’s some of the activities of “ACORN’ that drives people nuts.

Bachmann is, nevertheless, an idiot

* * * *
Paying for ACORN and its Community Reinvestment Act shenanigans, drives me nuts. Plus ACORN runs the crappy dangerous public housing near where I live, yes the one with the open drug market centered around the house with the Obama/Biden sticker on the door, and the Kerry/Edwards one around the corner.

345 voirdire  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:19:52pm

This way the Panthers can decide from headquarters whether they want to bother to use the GPS to come to your house.

346 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:19:58pm

re: #255 Cato the Elder

It can be a real truce and not a hudna if you like. I’ve got no personal animus toward you. ;^)

It is helping now. I’ve gotten used to the physical sensations of wearing it and seem to be sleeping much better. Waking earlier. I still get powerfully fatigued around midday and need to take a nap, but not as long as before and not with the same feeling of being totally logy and unsatisfied afterward. And the residual fatigue could be related to other factors.

By the way, my nick is blue for the next ten minutes. If you’d care to give me a few tips on how you dropped all the lbs., that’d be great.

Cheers!

Would you mind telling me what this means? I’ve been trying to figure it out, an e-mail function I assume?

347 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:20:17pm

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

Incoming email your way.

Thanks, Walter. Answer tomorrow. I’m getting ready for the machine. (I kinda like the fact that when sleeping I look like a jet fighter pilot who ejected straight into bed with his O-mask on.)

348 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:20:20pm

re: #319 formercorpsman

Neither comment has refuted anything I have made reference to.

Do you see any conflict of interest in having the White House oversee the Census, as opposed to the Commerce Department who had the job up until then?

It is a simple yes or no question.

I don’t know what you’re talking about. My comment was in ref to Kilgore:

This doers tie in with our earlier thread about the bad polling numbers for the GOP. There is a lot of criticize about Obama and his policies. However, conservatives and the GOP have somehow managed to embrace policies worse than Obama’s; Letting the banks fail, Fair Tax, Gold Standard, Nirth Certifikate, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Tea Parties and a never ending daily slew of easily debunked conspiracy theories has not helped the GOP. Conservatives are the instruments of their own destruction. More crazy ain’t gonna fix it.

If you’re asking me if I see a conflict of interest? No. I gather you do.

But that wasn’t a conversation I was having, and I’m not especially interested in it. As you say, a simple question, and I’ve given you the simple answer.

349 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:20:28pm

I just Google Earthed my address. Census takers don’t need GPS devices. They just need your address.

350 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:20:47pm

re: #340 BigPapa

At $14B, thats $46 bucks to count everybody, per person. Sounds cost effective to me.

Ha. $230 to count the people here.

For $230, they should also count the squirrels, rats, ducks, and possibly flies. I will let them slide on the ants.

351 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:21:01pm

re: #326 Gearhead

There’s proably an iPhone app for that by now.

And a Palm app.

352 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:21:17pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

What about the JDAM?

/

What? Jewish Destructive Ayran Missile?

353 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:21:22pm

re: #348 iceweasel

Well, you have not let me down so far.

354 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:21:24pm

re: #349 kansas

I just Google Earthed my address. Census takers don’t need GPS devices. They just need your address.

Google earth freaks me out a lot more than the census.

355 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:21:42pm

re: #346 Flyers1974

Would you mind telling me what this means? I’ve been trying to figure it out, an e-mail function I assume?

In the comment box where I am typing this (under th eifnluence, excuse errors I don’t catch), see the “show mail” check box in the green section of the box.

If you want to allow someone to contact you, click that box, your nic, she turns ze bleu, and people can e-mail you.

356 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:21:46pm

re: #333 reine.de.tout

I would suggest that it isn’t the name “ACORN” that drives people nuts.

But instead it’s some of the activities of “ACORN’ that drives people nuts.

Bachmann is, nevertheless, an idiot

Rotating Title nomination.

357 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:21:50pm

I had two idiots at my front door last week.
They were completely f-ing clueless.

Said they were trying to estimate how many homes were on my street for the ceusus.

I suggested they take a count…….the rest of what I said is [deleted]

358 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:03pm

I just have to laugh.

359 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:05pm

re: #353 formercorpsman

Well, you have not let me down so far.

Damn. It’s so boring to be predictable. I’ll try and act up for you at some point.

360 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:15pm

re: #347 Cato the Elder

Thanks, Walter. Answer tomorrow. I’m getting ready for the machine. (I kinda like the fact that when sleeping I look like a jet fighter pilot who ejected straight into bed with his O-mask on.)

That’s a sexy picture.

361 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:16pm

Supreme Leader of Iran to speak. Major speech, appx 3:30 AM Friday, Eastern time

362 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:25pm

re: #250 JacksonTn

Nels … dead fish for you …

I’d laugh, except for this dead fish on my head…phew!

363 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:34pm

re: #345 voirdire

This way the Panthers can decide from headquarters whether they want to bother to use the GPS to come to your house.

* * * **
Voter registration fraud in 10 states, “taking” your census in all 57 states, intimidation with night sticks & Che Berets, what’s not to like about their work ethic on your tax dollar?

364 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:37pm

re: #346 Flyers1974

Would you mind telling me what this means? I’ve been trying to figure it out, an e-mail function I assume?

When you post, you have the option of entering your email at the top of the form and clicking “show email”. That turns your nick blue, and you can receive mail through Charles’s safemail feature. No one but a registered lizard can use the function, and it requires a backwards captcha for security. And when you’re done, just unclick the box and post again.

365 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:43pm

re: #359 iceweasel

Your doing fine.

366 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:22:53pm

re: #302 Slumbering Behemoth

Republican, maybe. But conservative? Yeah, I suppose nutters that go in for that crap call themselves conservatives, but I think they are only fooling themselves.


We are on some level of agreement. Ron Paul only got 1-2% of the Republican vote. Even now with constant Fox appearances I’d be very surprised if he was much over 10-20%. The vast majority of the people attending Tea Parties are normal conservatives but they are joining a fringe movement. Most of them without knowing, the rest without caring. We’ll see how far this goes but I think it’s going to fizzle over the next six months. It’s bad economics, bad policy and bad publicity.

367 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:23:14pm

In the name of fairness, we could demand that an equivalent right-wing organization be contracted to participate in the census too. Unfortunately, Jerry Falwell’s Thomas Road Baptist Church doesn’t have enough members.

368 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:23:26pm

re: #363 alegrias

* * * **
Voter registration fraud in 10 states, “taking” your census in all 57 states, intimidation with night sticks & Che Berets, what’s not to like about their work ethic on your tax dollar?

If I see a Che beret, they can subtract one, because I will die laughing.

369 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:23:41pm

re: #273 Killgore Trout

This doers tie in with our earlier thread about the bad polling numbers for the GOP. There is a lot of criticize about Obama and his policies. However, conservatives and the GOP have somehow managed to embrace policies worse than Obama’s; Letting the banks fail, Fair Tax, Gold Standard, Nirth Certifikate, Glenn Beck, Ron Paul, Tea Parties and a never ending daily slew of easily debunked conspiracy theories has not helped the GOP. Conservatives are the instruments of their own destruction. More crazy ain’t gonna fix it.

This is the natural ebb and flow of party politics Killgore Trout. I don’t expect any rational response from the (R) at least until mid term elections 2010.

But the foolishness in power now, with the MONSTROUS overspending, will soon provide more than enough ammunition for any opposition.

370 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:24:01pm

re: #361 SteveC

Supreme Leader of Iran to speak. Major speech, appx 3:30 AM Friday, Eastern time

Something tells me that I wouldn’t want to live in a country that had a “supreme” leader. I have a problem with the authority I have to deal with now.

371 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:24:06pm

re: #368 OldLineTexan

If I see a Che beret, they can subtract one, because I will die laughing.

OLT … isn’t his daughter or some relative gonna be in a PETA ad? …

372 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:24:25pm

re: #341 Shug

Let me get this straight : It’s honorable to agree with Obama when he is right, but when Michelle Bachman makes sense it’s wrong to agree with her?

So ACORN’s involvement in the census is a good thing?
Should we give them more money?

I’ll wait and see how much $ they get. But Ill bet the numbers are going up compared to what they got under Bush.

and I think I’ll toss my census in the trash when I get it

i’m going to look at it and see how invasive it is. if it is too personal, i’ll pitch it in the fire place.
but they will come knocking on our doors. they are determined to get the info.

373 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:24:27pm

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

374 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:24:28pm

re: #357 Shug

I had two idiots at my front door last week.
They were completely f-ing clueless.

Said they were trying to estimate how many homes were on my street for the ceusus.

I suggested they take a count…….the rest of what I said is [deleted]

That would be like expecting your change to be counted back to you. It would require, like, you know, math.

375 voirdire  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:24:34pm

It seems like the “new” conservative feeling is that ACORN is a done deal. Why keep pointing at the elephant in the living room if no one’s going to notice.

376 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:24:39pm

re: #361 SteveC

Supreme Leader of Iran to speak. Major speech, appx 3:30 AM Friday, Eastern time

Good time for an eclipse or something else that suggests God is not pleased.

377 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:24:58pm

re: #371 JacksonTn

OLT … isn’t his daughter or some relative gonna be in a PETA ad? …

I could not possibly hazard a guess.

378 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:25:29pm

re: #187 NelsFree

re: #321 MandyManners

AHA!

379 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:25:36pm

re: #366 Killgore Trout

… The vast majority of the people attending Tea Parties are normal conservatives …

I think that’s the first time he acknowledged this.
/just teasing, kinda.

380 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:25:50pm

re: #357 Shug

I had two idiots at my front door last week.
They were completely f-ing clueless.

Said they were trying to estimate how many homes were on my street for the ceusus.

I suggested they take a count…….the rest of what I said is [deleted]

Is that fava bean in between your teeth?

/

381 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:25:58pm

re: #358 formercorpsman

I just have to laugh.

ha ha ha,
me too.

382 voirdire  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:04pm

… Oh, and let’s throw out the law on secured creditors while we’re at it …

383 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:14pm

OT

Wow, North Korean ship believed to be carrying “illicit materials” of the nuclear sort, goes down the Chinese coastline on the way to Singapore. (Hello, China, anybody there paying attention?)

US Navy is tailing this, because Norks could deliver technology to Pakistan or Yemen or other creepy countries that don’t like us very much.

Will Pres. Obama DO anything about these NorthKorean killers?

384 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:25pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

If Ron Paul hits 10% national support (as in Presidential), I will buy you one one hundred dollar dinner or ten ten dollar dinners, your choice.

/signed OldLineTexan

385 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:33pm

re: #376 livefreeor die

Good time for an eclipse or something else that suggests God is not pleased.

How about LOCUSTS!

386 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:39pm

re: #369 experiencedtraveller

This is the natural ebb and flow of party politics Killgore Trout. I don’t expect any rational response from the (R) at least until mid term elections 2010.

But the foolishness in power now, with the MONSTROUS overspending, will soon provide more than enough ammunition for any opposition.

At first, I did wish Obama well, in the sense that I wanted him to make some good progress that would actually be helpful to the country.

But now, unless I am missing something, from what I am seeing, this guy and his WHOLE administration is going to crash and burn really big time, in such a way that the blame will solely be on him and no one else.

387 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:41pm

re: #377 OldLineTexan

I could not possibly hazard a guess.

OLT … yep … his granddaughter … guess that whole fly killing thing might have pushed her over the edge … semi-naked ….

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

388 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:47pm

re: #371 JacksonTn

OLT … isn’t his daughter or some relative gonna be in a PETA ad? …

Yep

389 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:47pm

Killgore, a broken clock is right twice a day.
Beck and Bachman, maybe once a day

Discounting every word out of Bachman or Beck’s mouth is on par with people who demonize every thing that Obama does, even when it’s a good thing.

Once in a while, just consider that they may be right

390 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:53pm

re: #379 unrealizedviewpoint

I think that’s the first time he acknowledged this.
/just teasing, kinda.

Nope, all fucking netNazis, as previously explained.

/

391 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:26:53pm

re: #379 unrealizedviewpoint

I think that’s the first time he acknowledged this.


I’ve acknowledged it many times. Normal conservatives are being duped into joining a Paulian movement, I’ve known this for quite some time.

392 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:27:02pm

re: #350 OldLineTexan

Ha. $230 to count the people here.

For $230, they should also count the squirrels, rats, ducks, and possibly flies. I will let them slide on the ants.

[sobbing] Did you have to bring up flies? I am so devastated by the death of that fly at Obama’s hands.

People are being killed in Iran. Oh well…
/channeling PETA psychos

393 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:27:04pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

Did Beck say that? I believe saying that may be a crime.

394 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:27:24pm

re: #355 reine.de.tout

In the comment box where I am typing this (under th eifnluence, excuse errors I don’t catch), see the “show mail” check box in the green section of the box.

If you want to allow someone to contact you, click that box, your nic, she turns ze bleu, and people can e-mail you.

Thank you very much. That had me baffled. I was going in directions far from where I should have been.

395 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:27:52pm

re: #388 solomonpanting

Yep

Oh good God … she’s Argentine.

Lock up OR.

396 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:27:52pm

re: #376 livefreeor die

Good time for an eclipse or something else that suggests God is not pleased.

The RAF once timed a Mosquito raid on Berlin to interrupt a speech by Reichsmarshall Goering.

397 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:27:56pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

Not sure I agree with her, but I have seen enough of this president and his administration to be VERY wary of what they are up to.

Inch by inch.

398 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:27:59pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

Do you have any concerns about ACORN? Any at all?

399 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:28:06pm

re: #393 unrealizedviewpoint

Did Beck say that? I believe saying that may be a crime.

I don’t think so.

400 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:28:11pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

I’ve acknowledged it many times. Normal conservatives are being duped into joining a Paulian movement, I’ve known this for quite some time.

Why remove my 2nd line that carried the sarc tag?

401 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:28:25pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Someone has to do it. And “doing” something implies that the Executive Branch does it. Which would be directed by the White House.

Who else should be in charge? The Queen?

Zimriel -

Prior to this one - the Bureaucrats at the Dep. of Commerce as I recall.

-S-

402 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:28:42pm

re: #395 OldLineTexan

Oh good God … she’s Argentine.

Lock up OR.

OLT …. you are right … ROFLMAO …

403 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:28:49pm

re: #399 J.D.

I don’t think so.

Encouraging ppl to break the law is not a crime?

404 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:29:03pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

Perhaps so many lizards are still conservatives, and really have a problem with the direction of the country. That’s a wild stab in the dark, but, it’s just possible that these “how many lizards” haven’t gone over to the dark side. Maybe?

405 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:29:31pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

My response to Glenn “Crybaby” Beck on that is the same I had for a local talk show host (re: the protesting of a certain local issue) who called for someone, anyone, to have “balls” or “patriotism”, or whatever to take one for the team (legally speaking) and block traffic on a major interstate….

YOU FIRST!

406 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:29:36pm

re: #370 Truck Monkey

Something tells me that I wouldn’t want to live in a country that had a “supreme” leader. I have a problem with the authority I have to deal with now.

* * * *
Supreme Leader = Social Conservative on Steroids

(Liberals and leftists still give ayatollahs way too much undue deferrence by repeating these ridiculous titles)

But so-con is a dirty word back in the USA.

407 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:29:44pm

re: #384 OldLineTexan

I’m anxiously awaiting a real world poll. He’s still on the fringe but he’s gaining. If I were forced to guess I’d suspect his son or one of the other new libertarian nuts could probably grab the spotlight.

408 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:29:49pm

There’s one in every crowd -

From Twitter: Che was a student like you! FREE IRAN!

*eyeroll*

409 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:30:07pm

re: #364 Cato the Elder

Many thanks.

410 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:30:10pm

re: #403 unrealizedviewpoint

Encouraging ppl to break the law is not a crime?

Let’s ask one of our lawyers here.

Is it a against the law to suggest to people that they not pay income tax?

411 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:30:30pm

re: #393 unrealizedviewpoint

He kinda danced around it. I’m sure he checked the script with the Fox lawyers.

412 Irenicum  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:31:11pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

I love that scene! Ya know what’s even trippier? The killer in the movie is Monk’s boss. Every once in a while the similarity comes across. Freaky!

413 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:31:16pm

re: #397 Racer X

Not sure I agree with her, but I have seen enough of this president and his administration to be VERY wary of what they are up to.

Inch by inch.

RACIST!
//

414 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:31:25pm

re: #387 JacksonTn

OLT … yep … his granddaughter … guess that whole fly killing thing might have pushed her over the edge … semi-naked ….

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

So all the money raised by PETA does not go to save animals, but to pay wannabee and professional porn queens to pose naked in their “ad campaigns” and at their “protest rallies.”

When did you ever see a PETA protester who wasn’t totally hot? They really do a good job of keeping out the “Boobs Not Bombs” crowd.

415 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:31:41pm

re: #385 Truck Monkey

How about LOCUSTS!


No, I’ve got it. The Supreme Leader is handed the first Plutonium sphere from the refinement process, for a “personal” inspection.
“Here, your Magnificence, just see how it rolls from palm to palm SOOO easily! No, I don’t want it back, just put it in your pocket as a good-luck charm, and Allah will protect you!”
/s

416 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:31:53pm

Hey, I’m watching the movie Righteous Kill, and for the second time (at least) in the flick, Al Pacino has managed to cock a Glock.

I love Hollywood.

417 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:31:54pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

I’m anxiously awaiting a real world poll. He’s still on the fringe but he’s gaining. If I were forced to guess I’d suspect his son or one of the other new libertarian nuts could probably grab the spotlight.

My offer stands. I know as a gentleman that you will provide a suitably reliable poll when you claim your winnings.

I will throw in drinks, because if Ron Paul hits 10% in a Presidential poll of any repute, I will be getting shitfaced drunk.

418 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:32:13pm

re: #330 Caboose

Thanks. The hospital gave me the mask I used for the test; it’s an over-the-nose model. Then the medical supply company offered a choice of models and I took the pillows, which I’m currently using. But I can switch to the other one if I want. The third option was a nose-and-mouth rig that seemed like it would be too hot in summer, and I’m really not (contrary to rumor) that much of a mouth-breather, anyway.

The supplies get paid for but I have to remember to order them. The company my insurance uses hasn’t heard of automatic deliveries yet.

I’ve been a member of my local Y - a beautiful new facility paid for by one of our great local philanthropic families - for several months now. I try to swim every day. When I work up the stamina I’ll cross-train on ellipticals, etc. God only knows, maybe I’ll end up pumping iron someday! They have everything.

See you all tomorrow.

419 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:32:13pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

* * * **
With so many of us unemployed or underemployed, we’ve no income taxes to pay.

420 mikeymom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:32:19pm

re: #410 J.D.

Let’s ask one of our lawyers here.

Is it a against the law to suggest to people that they not pay income tax?

you go first==

421 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:32:23pm

re: #414 Alouette

When did you ever see a PETA protester who wasn’t totally hot? They really do a good job of keeping out the “Boobs Not Bombs” crowd.

OMG, remember them?

422 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:32:32pm

The official kiss of death: Gerald Walpin Is Superman by Glen Beck [Link: www.foxnews.com…]

423 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:32:45pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

Hey, I’m watching the movie Righteous Kill, and for the second time (at least) in the flick, Al Pacino has managed to cock a Glock.

I love Hollywood.

Maybe he Glocked a cock.

/not cool, Butters, NOT COOL

424 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:32:58pm

Video Boxer Asks General To Call Her Senator And Not Ma’am

Haha!

Give respect and you will receive.

425 voirdire  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:33:09pm

re: #410 J.D.

Yes. If it’s one of Bush’s lawyers.

426 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:33:12pm

re: #417 OldLineTexan

Cheers!

427 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:33:18pm

re: #395 OldLineTexan

Oh good God … she’s Argentine.

Lock up OR.

Bleh. Commies aren’t sexy.

428 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:33:22pm

re: #420 mikeymom

you go first==

I am not a lawyer.
I fall asleep reading all that stuff!

429 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:34:31pm

Dinnerjacket may go under the bus!

430 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:34:47pm

re: #393 unrealizedviewpoint

Did Beck say that? I believe saying that may be a crime.

* * * *
It’s not a crime when Democrats don’t pay their taxes—it gets them bigger jobs in the Obama Administration.

Have you seen any of Pres. Obama’s tax cheats punished yet?

431 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:34:57pm

re: #385 Truck Monkey

How about LOCUSTS!

Cheney would have had the military loading up locusts into a springloaded box to be parachuted into Tehran as we speak.

And, of course, Rove could have reused his hurricane maker that was left over from Katrina…

432 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:35:08pm

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Cheers!

Prosit!

433 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:35:09pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

Hey, I’m watching the movie Righteous Kill, and for the second time (at least) in the flick, Al Pacino has managed to cock a Glock.

I love Hollywood.

Yeah, but did he shoot it sideways?

434 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:35:22pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

IIRC the US government had tax revenue of about $1.5 trillion (give or take a trillion). Maybe Obama should co-opt the Beck plan and just declare a tax holiday as part of the the stimulus - it sure would give folks a lot more disposable income.
.5/

435 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:35:36pm

re: #430 alegrias

SHhhh.

That is irrelevant.

436 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:35:48pm

re: #422 MrPaulRevere

The official kiss of death: Gerald Walpin Is Superman by Glen Beck [Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Yeah, that was a crazy article all right. Beck is always crazy. Makes no sense at all. Never has a valid opinion. Think I turn to MSNBC and check out Ed, or Keith, or Chris, or Rachel. There I get the truth from moderate progressives.

437 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:36:01pm

re: #427 Occasional Reader

Bleh. Commies aren’t sexy.

Damned liar you are. She’s NEKKID.

438 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:36:02pm

the census used to be just abt. the population of the u.s.
now it is a very involved personal questionnaire, several pages long.
so what has the census evolved into ? it certainly is abt. more than how many people live in this country.

439 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:36:33pm

re: #437 OldLineTexan

Damned liar you are. She’s NEKKID.

I hate carrots.

440 mikeymom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:36:35pm

re: #432 OldLineTexan

Prosit!

hey- i didnt know this was the drinking thread

441 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:36:44pm

re: #424 Racer X

Video Boxer Asks General To Call Her Senator And Not Ma’am

Haha!

Give respect and you will receive.

Caligula put a horse in the senate.
And then there is debbie Stabenow and Patti Murray. Both with IQ’s in the mid 70’s ( after 3 weeks on high dose fish oils )

how hard can it be to be a senator ?

442 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:36:54pm

re: #437 OldLineTexan

Damned liar you are. She’s NEKKID.

Okay, ya got me.

443 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:36:54pm

re: #395 OldLineTexan

Oh good God … she’s Argentine.

Lock up OR.

Lots o’ luck with that, Argentina is the largest meat-producing nation in the world.

444 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:37:01pm

re: #393 unrealizedviewpoint

Did Beck say that? I believe saying that may be a crime.

Defence of insanity clearly available.

445 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:37:17pm

re: #333 reine.de.tout

I would suggest that it isn’t the name “ACORN” that drives people nuts.

But instead it’s some of the activities of “ACORN’ that drives people nuts.

Oh that’s very true; I was making a joke.

Bachmann is, nevertheless, an idiot.

446 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:37:24pm

re: #393 unrealizedviewpoint

Did Beck say that? I believe saying that may be a crime.

He couched it in a “what if” type statement.

447 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:37:26pm

re: #438 nyc redneck

Isn’t it used, at least in part, to “adjust” voting districts?

448 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:37:34pm

re: #397 Racer X

Not sure I agree with her, but I have seen enough of this president and his administration to be VERY wary of what they are up to.

Inch by inch.

I think even without the President, we’ve seen plenty of of Acorn to be very wary of what they might do. Just need to keep a sharp eye out. This is probably true of any organization that gets involved in things like this, but particularly true when a particular organization has a history like Acorn’s

449 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:37:43pm

re: #441 Shug

Caligula put a horse in the senate.
And then there is debbie Stabenow and Patti Murray. Both with IQ’s in the mid 70’s ( after 3 weeks on high dose fish oils )

how hard can it be to be a senator ?

Shug … FRANKEN … need I say more …

450 fizzlogic  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:38:17pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Where is she getting this idea?

Backmann is a product of talk radio. She’s repeating Neil Boortz.

451 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:38:26pm

re: #438 nyc redneck

the census used to be just abt. the population of the u.s.
now it is a very involved personal questionnaire, several pages long.
so what has the census evolved into ? it certainly is abt. more than how many people live in this country.

If I recall, there has always been a “long form” and a “short form” census - not everyone gets the “long form”, but it is usually must more detailed than the short form.

452 Ramona  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:38:29pm

re: #10 mattb

I did that very thing last census.

Just answered a couple of questions about how many people lived at my address.

I did not answer the race question as I don’t think it should matter to the government.

It will only matter to the government in terms of allocation of dollars for assorted “entitlement” programs. You may want to re-think that?

453 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:38:30pm

re: #449 JacksonTn

Shug … FRANKEN … need I say more …

Caligula put a horse in the senate
Minnesota put a horse’s ass in the senate

454 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:38:43pm

re: #443 Alouette

Lots o’ luck with that, Argentina is the largest meat-producing nation in the world.

Asado (barbecue) is practically a religion there.

455 jorline  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:38:44pm

re: #414 Alouette

So all the money raised by PETA does not go to save animals, but to pay wannabee and professional porn queens to pose naked in their “ad campaigns” and at their “protest rallies.”

When did you ever see a PETA protester who wasn’t totally hot? They really do a good job of keeping out the “Boobs Not Bombs” crowd.

Ahhhhhhhhhh Boobs.

I hope the interview went well today…positive wave sent your way!

456 Soccermom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:39:07pm

Why isn’t place of birth (state, US territory, or foreign country) and “If you were not born in the United States, are you a naturalized US citizen?” and date of naturalization, included? This has been asked in previous censuses. Also, previous questions have included whether each person speaks English and how many months in the past year children attended school. Those questions seem to be more relevant for planning purposes to me than that 14 arbitrary classes of “race.”

Questions above would be a big help to future genealogists, particularly descendants of those foreign-born. (Not that that is the purpose of the census.)

The section on race takes up a huge amount of space - 14 categories. Ironic is our supposedly post racial-society, huh?

Totally dumb to refuse to answer the questions, IMHO. You can get more information about someone on the Internet.

457 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:39:21pm

re: #450 trendsurfer

Backmann is a product of talk radio. She’s repeating Neil Boortz.

Boortz doesn’t advocate such silliness.

458 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:39:22pm

Hmmm. It appears that most of the persons whom made this board what it once was have left the room. Lots of new shitbirds though!

459 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:39:24pm

re: #453 Shug

Caligula put a horse in the senate
Minnesota put a horse’s ass in the senate

And Catherine the Great of Russia… umm, never mind.

460 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:39:27pm

re: #429 SteveC

Dinnerjacket may go under the bus!

Sigh. Let me revel in that image.

461 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:39:47pm

re: #434 Spare O’Lake

IIRC the US government had tax revenue of about $1.5 trillion (give or take a trillion). Maybe Obama should co-opt the Beck plan and just declare a tax holiday as part of the the stimulus - it sure would give folks a lot more disposable income.
.5/

Move to Utah…
[Link: minnick.house.gov…]

462 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:40:05pm

re: #441 Shug

Caligula put a horse in the senate.
And then there is debbie Stabenow and Patti Murray. Both with IQ’s in the mid 70’s ( after 3 weeks on high dose fish oils )

how hard can it be to be a senator ?

* * * *
California is the biggest state, yet they have this egocentric bimbo Boxer Boob representing them. Boxer is elected statewide, so is an accurate representation of Californians.

Sorry, but California’s women politicians can’t shine GOVERNOR Sarah Palin’s shoes in the common sense department.

463 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:40:12pm

If you believe that government is never benign, and I do, then anything beyond number of people per household (for representation reasons) is intrusive. Worse still, is that the extraneous data is, at best, just marketing data for politicos. At worst it can be used to manipulate, intimidate and ultimately to repress through targeted legislation, etc.

I have and will continue to provide BS data on the census. My own little meaningless revolt.

464 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:40:18pm

re: #458 gymnast

Hmmm. It appears that most of the persons whom made this board what it once was have left the room. Lots of new shitbirds though!

Our resident ornithologist!
I haven’t seen you lately.

465 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:40:28pm

Twitter rumor saying ambulances are under orders to take wounded only to army hospitals, where protesters will be arrested. Advising to avoid ambulances.

466 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:40:31pm

re: #370 Truck Monkey

Something tells me that I wouldn’t want to live in a country that had a “supreme” leader. I have a problem with the authority I have to deal with now.

Marg Bar Burrito Supreme!

467 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:40:47pm

Good night.

468 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:41:04pm

re: #440 mikeymom

hey- i didnt know this was the drinking thread

Killgore and I are practicing for when Luap Nor polls at 10%.

469 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:41:14pm

Night OR.

470 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:41:17pm

Inch by inch.

America is getting screwed.

Slowly.

You may not feel it yet, but you will.

Sly bastards.

471 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #455 jorline

Ahhhhhhhhhh Boobs.

I hope the interview went well today…positive wave sent your way!

I felt very confident at the interview. There’s a lot of competition out there—young and hungry former GM engineers. But they are probably demanding much higher salaries.

472 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:41:32pm

re: #458 gymnast

Hmmm. It appears that most of the persons whom made this board what it once was have left the room. Lots of new shitbirds though!

LOL, you noticed.

473 fizzlogic  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:42:37pm

re: #457 unrealizedviewpoint

I haven’t listened to Boortz nearly a year. But I have heard him go off on the census and how he intends to not answer all the questions for the same reasons as Backmann.

474 brennk2  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:42:43pm

What if (and it’s just an if) one of the questions started with - Are you now or have you ever been…..

If one really must answer ALL the questions on the form I can see some room for abuse.

475 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:42:59pm

I think instead of a census we should have a web poll.

Ron Paul!

476 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:43:14pm

re: #466 Dar ul Harb

Marg Bar Burrito Supreme!

Large Marge

Image: large-marge-sentya.gif

477 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:43:24pm

re: #463 The Shadow Do

If you believe that government is never benign, and I do, then anything beyond number of people per household (for representation reasons) is intrusive.

I would say that it’s only intrusive if there are consequences for declining to answer.

Is there any truth to this $5,000 fine thing? I didn’t respond to the 2000 census, and nothing at all happened to me.

478 NelsFree  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:43:25pm

Well, I’m saying good night.
“Good Night”
There, I said it.

479 SteveC  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:43:38pm

Brainless wonder advising protestors to cut trashcans in half and use them as shields, as demonstated in photo. Click link, photo is old movie still - Roman army using shields to cover sides and above.

/Doesn’t anyone watch Turner Classic Movies besides me?!?!?!

480 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:43:50pm

re: #473 trendsurfer

I haven’t listened to Boortz nearly a year. But I have heard him go off on the census and how he intends to not answer all the questions for the same reasons as Backmann.

I’ll need take your word, I don’t listen to him, but read his page daily.

481 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:43:54pm

re: #470 Racer X

Inch by inch.

America is getting screwed.

Slowly.

You may not feel it yet, but you will.

Sly bastards.

Nah. Only the idiots who create wealth and pay taxes are gonna get screwed. For the rest its all gravy man…

/

482 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:43:54pm

Agree 100% with Michele Bachmann. You Go Girl!

Piss on the intrusive government, piss on Acorn.


Proto-sunset, Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California.

483 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:43:59pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.


Now that’s vintage Killgore. Apparently if I agree with one point Bachmann makes, I’m suddenly a Glenn Beck follower. That’s no more true than your repeated assertions that Ron Paul is some political juggernaut who is masterminding the entire Tea Party movement.

484 mikeymom  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:44:39pm

re: #470 Racer X

Inch by inch.

America is getting screwed.

Slowly.

You may not feel it yet, but you will.

Sly bastards.


i am ascared. very. im afraid for my kids—early 30;s— and my grandkids.

485 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:44:48pm

re: #451 reine.de.tout

If I recall, there has always been a “long form” and a “short form” census - not everyone gets the “long form”, but it is usually must more detailed than the short form.

i guess i remember the long forms ( which went in the fire place.)
i just want to write in the number of people in the home.
they already have access to all the other info.
let them do the work.

486 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:44:49pm

re: #479 SteveC

Brainless wonder advising protestors to cut trashcans in half and use them as shields, as demonstated in photo. Click link, photo is old movie still - Roman army using shields to cover sides and above.

/Doesn’t anyone watch Turner Classic Movies besides me?!?!?!

As kids we used the lids.

487 jamgarr  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:44:51pm

I’d like to see a month-by-month list of, say, the 20 most frequent posters - would be interesting to see the changes over time.

488 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:44:59pm

re: #482 Ojoe

Agree 100% with Michele Bachmann. You Go Girl!

Piss on the intrusive government, piss on Acorn.

Proto-sunset, Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California.

Ojoe … I like the ones with the clouds … but this one is good …

489 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:45:20pm

re: #464 J.D.

Greetings, good to see you hanging in there as a voice of reason in an increasingly “ambiguous” situation.

490 Dadaist  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:45:34pm

This is all part of Bachmann’s cunning plan. If she doesn’t answer the questions on the census form, ACORN won’t be able to tell FEMA how much room they’ll need in their reeducation camps for God fearing Christians.

Also why should she have to fill in the census form when Obama doesn’t have to show his nirth certificate? Those Washington Liberals are hypocrites for threatening her with the law when I read, in a chain email helpfully forwarded to me by my drunken Father in Law, that Obama failed to disclose his Secret Muslim status on his own census form.

491 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:45:47pm

re: #424 Racer X

Video Boxer Asks General To Call Her Senator And Not Ma’am

Haha!

Give respect and you will receive.

The thing is, he was trying to be respectful.
As the granddaughter and niece of generals, I would like to suggest something to call Boxer…

492 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:46:09pm

Census Questions from ACORN operatives..

How many people live in this residence?

Do you have any guns or cash stored in the house?

In what room?

Whats the combination on the safe?

What time of day will everyone be away from home?

493 kansas  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:46:11pm

re: #487 jamgarr

I’d like to see a month-by-month list of, say, the 20 most frequent posters - would be interesting to see the changes over time.

Wasn’t the ban stick pretty busy a couple weeks ago?

494 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:46:30pm

re: #458 gymnast

Hmmm. It appears that most of the persons whom made this board what it once was have left the room. Lots of new shitbirds though!

I’ll leave it to you to explain whom are the ones you’re missing. Wouldn’t be the peeps who now hang out over at LGF2, would they?

And since I’m now going to bed - I just had to say something when I saw your post - I’ll leave it to the remaining shitbirds to decide whether you’ve insulted them or not. Maybe it’s a unique sense of humor all your own. God knows not everyone appreciates mine!

Now good night all, for real.

495 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:46:30pm

I’m a vulcan, and a sasquatch, they won’t count me.

Grunt.

Snerk.

Drool.

496 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:46:37pm

re: #483 doppelganglander

Now that’s vintage Killgore. Apparently if I agree with one point Bachmann makes, I’m suddenly a Glenn Beck follower. That’s no more true than your repeated assertions that Ron Paul is some political juggernaut who is masterminding the entire Tea Party movement.

* * * *
Thank you for articulating this! Hysteria isn’t pretty.

497 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:46:58pm

re: #483 doppelganglander

Yes, it would tantamount to making the association of agreeing with troofers since there were so many who attached themselves to the Obama campaign, if you were compelled to vote for him.

Not a fair assessment.

498 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:47:19pm

re: #488 JacksonTn

It changes a lot. I have to quit early tonight, you can keep watching. Glad you like it.

BBL

499 Ramona  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:47:37pm

re: #90 iceweasel

You’re right about driving folks nuts.

Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

500 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:47:41pm

re: #490 Dadaist

Also why should she have to fill in the census form when Obama doesn’t have to show his nirth certificate?

That line of attack will get you three whacks on the popo.

501 jamgarr  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:47:56pm

re: #493 kansas

Wasn’t the ban stick pretty busy a couple weeks ago?

Was it?

502 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:48:45pm

If you thought the media was in the tank for Obama before the election, you may want to pay attention to the MSM now.

I made the mistake of watching an ABC news show last night - 20/20. Talk about propaganda! They spent pretty much the entire show pushing for Obama’s financial reform plan, making Geitner look like a genius, and acting like it was news.

At the end of the show the smarmy anchor looks at the camera and says “Conservatives (you could see the spittle), and some Democrats, disagree with the presidents financial reform plan. Log on to ABCdotCom and take our poll on wether or not you think the presidents financial plan will work”.

Gee, an hour pimping the plan for the administration. I wonder how that poll will turn out?

503 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:48:53pm

re: #494 Cato the Elder

I’ll leave it to you to explain whom are the ones you’re missing. Wouldn’t be the peeps who now hang out over at LGF2, would they?

And since I’m now going to bed - I just had to say something when I saw your post - I’ll leave it to the remaining shitbirds to decide whether you’ve insulted them or not. Maybe it’s a unique sense of humor all your own. God knows not everyone appreciates mine!

Now good night all, for real.

Some of us potential shitbirds are just puzzling over it … I took a lot of abuse not so long ago for being insulted by some other broadly-applied euphemism.

504 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:49:40pm

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Perhaps so many lizards are still conservatives, and really have a problem with the direction of the country. That’s a wild stab in the dark, but, it’s just possible that these “how many lizards” haven’t gone over to the dark side. Maybe?

I owe you updings for this one. Kudos, Walter.

505 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:50:09pm

This shitbird is saying g-nite to the remaining shitbirds. g-nite!

507 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:50:40pm

re: #503 OldLineTexan

Some of us potential shitbirds are just puzzling over it … I took a lot of abuse not so long ago for being insulted by some other broadly-applied euphemism.

I was wondering what/who gymnst was referring to also. Maybe it will clarify for us.

508 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:50:42pm

re: #505 unrealizedviewpoint

This shitbird is saying g-nite to the remaining shitbirds. g-nite!

Caw, baby!

/

509 wee fury  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:50:59pm

Census takers in the 1800’s onward had lousy handwriting and atrocious spelling. These old records can make a genealogist weep.

510 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:51:05pm

re: #483 doppelganglander

Apparently if I agree with one point Bachmann makes, I’m suddenly a Glenn Beck follower.

You forgot Nazi!

511 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:51:14pm

re: #507 Walter L. Newton

I was wondering what/who gymnst was referring to also. Maybe it will clarify for us.

I forgot the last euphemism … can someone please remind me?

512 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:51:21pm

re: #505 unrealizedviewpoint

This shitbird is saying g-nite to the remaining shitbirds. g-nite!

Shitbirds singing in the dead of night-
Take these broken wings and learn to fly…

513 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:51:31pm

re: #504 pink freud

I owe you updings for this one. Kudos, Walter.

Thanks. I’m can still see the light.

514 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:51:35pm

re: #510 BigPapa

You forgot Nazi!

Yep.

515 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:51:40pm

re: #494 Cato the Elder

Cato, it is obvious we have divergent opinions on things.

I gave you credit before, and I’ll give it again, I do appreciate your sense of humor.

516 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:51:47pm

re: #502 Racer X

There is no such thing as an unbiased news source. Never has been, never will be.

517 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:52:05pm

NGC 6240: Merging Galaxies

518 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:52:11pm

re: #494 Cato the Elder

I’ll leave it to you to explain whom are the ones you’re missing. Wouldn’t be the peeps who now hang out over at LGF2, would they?

And since I’m now going to bed - I just had to say something when I saw your post - I’ll leave it to the remaining shitbirds to decide whether you’ve insulted them or not. Maybe it’s a unique sense of humor all your own. God knows not everyone appreciates mine!

Now good night all, for real.

Goodnight Cato; be well.

519 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:52:14pm

re: #505 unrealizedviewpoint

This shitbird is saying g-nite to the remaining shitbirds. g-nite!

‘Nite, Jon-boy…I mean, fellow shitbird…

520 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:52:24pm

re: #477 Slumbering Behemoth

I would say that it’s only intrusive if there are consequences for declining to answer.

Is there any truth to this $5,000 fine thing? I didn’t respond to the 2000 census, and nothing at all happened to me.

I have never heard of anyone getting hammered for failing to properly respond on the census. Probably no one wants to really have this subject in the limelight. My take anyway.

521 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:52:34pm

re: #510 BigPapa

You forgot Nazi!

I did. And shitbird, apparently.

522 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:52:49pm

re: #494 Cato the Elder

All they need to to to figure it out is to give a good sniff up under their left wing and if it smells like shit they can identify their own self. The other way of spotting shitbirds is to warch them fly for a while. Always the left circles outnumber the right as a result of their left wing leanings.

523 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:52:53pm

SSDD

Same
Shitbirds
Different
Day

524 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:53:27pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

How are you doing your assessment? (that is how are you obtaining your info with respect to your claim to knowing how many here “agree with Bachman?” How do you know this? Am I to be included in your tally? What, precisely, do you know of my opinions with respect to Bachman? I do find it troublesome if individual X simply lumps together disparate members and then claims they’re all affiliated…that’s the antithesis of being “scientific”.)

525 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:53:28pm

re: #46 iceweasel

This is kind of interesting, from Wikipedia on the Census:


I’d hope that court precedent will calm down the black helicopter crowd, but maybe not.

Also, I vote for every post in this thread to end with

“Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.” h/t Cato

regardless of content of post.

Actually, I have a question about that very thing.

For the first time I can remember, this year I got a form from the census bureau in the mail, designed for the self-employed. I have been self-employed nearly my entire life, since I was 16 (I’m a musician), but I don’t remember ever receiving one of these before.

What I’m wondering is how, if they share no information with other agencies, they knew that a self-employed person lived here.

Am I missing something obvious? (Probably.)

BTW: The questions are many, very specific, and frankly a bit intrusive.

(No, I am not the black helicopter type. I just wonder what’s up with this.)

526 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:53:37pm

re: #460 livefreeor die

Sigh. Let me revel in that image.

Forget the bus.
Picture a shortshit public hanging in Khomeini square.
Mullah Madness 2009!

527 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:54:31pm

re: #516 Slumbering Behemoth

There is no such thing as an unbiased news source. Never has been, never will be.

Dude. It is getting really bad.

We are being force-fed a shit sandwich, and if you dare to point out flaws, well shit you’re just plain racist. Or a Paulian. Or Nazi.

Fuck that.

I
don’t
eat
shit
sandwich.

528 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:54:39pm

OT
Prince Harry of England wants to return to Afghanistan and fly helicopters there.

Bravo—Lady Di’s sons are defenders of liberty & freedom. (Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren showed a clip of the two English princes in their military flight uniforms, talking about wanting to serve in war zones.)

Goodnight all.

529 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:54:43pm

re: #525 capitalist piglet

Actually, I have a question about that very thing.

For the first time I can remember, this year I got a form from the census bureau in the mail, designed for the self-employed. I have been self-employed nearly my entire life, since I was 16 (I’m a musician), but I don’t remember ever receiving one of these before.

What I’m wondering is how, if they share no information with other agencies, they knew that a self-employed person lived here.

Am I missing something obvious? (Probably.)

BTW: The questions are many, very specific, and frankly a bit intrusive.

(No, I am not the black helicopter type. I just wonder what’s up with this.)

Census doesn’t share info (in theory), but IRS does, to the census agency.

530 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:54:45pm

re: #525 capitalist piglet

Do you file a tax return?

531 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:55:03pm

re: #522 gymnast

All they need to to to figure it out is to give a good sniff up under their left wing and if it smells like shit they can identify their own self. The other way of spotting shitbirds is to warch them fly for a while. Always the left circles outnumber the right as a result of their left wing leanings.

There goes the neighborhood.

532 jamgarr  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:55:20pm

NASCAR = shitbirds

533 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:55:37pm

i think gymnast is referring to all the new” trolls,” who, not too long ago, would have been bounced out of here so quickly by all the conservative posters on lgf.
now they spread out on the chase lounges and spew all kind of leftist b.s. and
oddly feel quite at home.

534 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:55:50pm

re: #527 Racer X

Dude. It is getting really bad.

We are being force-fed a shit sandwich, and if you dare to point out flaws, well shit you’re just plain racist. Or a Paulian. Or Nazi.

Fuck that.

I
don’t
eat
shit
sandwich.

You HAD a choice of Giant Douche!

/unless you did not vote

535 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:56:27pm

re: #525 capitalist piglet

Actually, I have a question about that very thing.

For the first time I can remember, this year I got a form from the census bureau in the mail, designed for the self-employed. I have been self-employed nearly my entire life, since I was 16 (I’m a musician), but I don’t remember ever receiving one of these before.

What I’m wondering is how, if they share no information with other agencies, they knew that a self-employed person lived here.

Am I missing something obvious? (Probably.)

BTW: The questions are many, very specific, and frankly a bit intrusive.

(No, I am not the black helicopter type. I just wonder what’s up with this.)

Maybe other agencies share info. with the Census Bureau?
Perhaps - IRS told them who reports as self-employed and they figure it from there?
But is IRS supposed to share info?

536 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:56:33pm
M13: A Great Globular Cluster of Stars

Explanation: M13 is one of the most prominent and best known globular clusters.

I’m having the strangest Dejavu.

537 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:56:45pm

re: #525 capitalist piglet

Actually, I have a question about that very thing.

For the first time I can remember, this year I got a form from the census bureau in the mail, designed for the self-employed. I have been self-employed nearly my entire life, since I was 16 (I’m a musician), but I don’t remember ever receiving one of these before.

What I’m wondering is how, if they share no information with other agencies, they knew that a self-employed person lived here.

Am I missing something obvious? (Probably.)

BTW: The questions are many, very specific, and frankly a bit intrusive.

(No, I am not the black helicopter type. I just wonder what’s up with this.)

Taxes. It’s easier for a self-employed person to conceal income. I would not be at all surprise if your confidential census form were to be shared with the IRS.

538 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:56:57pm

re: #525 capitalist piglet

Actually, I have a question about that very thing.

For the first time I can remember, this year I got a form from the census bureau in the mail, designed for the self-employed. I have been self-employed nearly my entire life, since I was 16 (I’m a musician), but I don’t remember ever receiving one of these before.

What I’m wondering is how, if they share no information with other agencies, they knew that a self-employed person lived here.

Am I missing something obvious? (Probably.)

BTW: The questions are many, very specific, and frankly a bit intrusive.

(No, I am not the black helicopter type. I just wonder what’s up with this.)

That’s disturbing. Perhaps they know because other agencies shared info with them? Like the IRS? I have no idea.
Freaky, though.

539 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:57:23pm

re: #534 OldLineTexan

You HAD a choice of Giant Douche!

/unless you did not vote

I voted for the other Giant Douche!

540 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:57:57pm

re: #535 reine.de.tout

Maybe other agencies share info. with the Census Bureau?
Perhaps - IRS told them who reports as self-employed and they figure it from there?
But is IRS supposed to share info?

piglet is a musician. Most of them don’t make enough income to file IRS returns.

541 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:58:12pm

re: #458 gymnast

Hmmm. It appears that most of the persons whom made this board what it once was have left the room. Lots of new shitbirds though!

GAZE

542 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:58:13pm

re: #495 Ojoe

I’m a vulcan, and a sasquatch, they won’t count me.

Grunt.

Snerk.

Drool.

I think for the 2010 census I shall be a black Norse-American with 27 foster children and 12 TV’s and one outhouse.

543 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:58:25pm

re: #520 The Shadow Do

I have never heard of anyone getting hammered for failing to properly respond on the census. Probably no one wants to really have this subject in the limelight. My take anyway.

Well, I plan to answer only the questions I consider relevant to the intent of the census and leave the others blank. If there are no consequences, then the questionnaire is simply full of pointless questions and in no way to be considered “intrusive”.

If, however, there actually are consequences for not filling out the whole thing, then that certainly is intrusive.

544 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:58:31pm

re: #513 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I like the new slim avatar, but I miss the hat !

545 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:58:37pm

Just because I haven’t seen anyone else say it yet:

I think she’s taken leave of her census!

546 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:58:48pm

re: #537 doppelganglander

Taxes. It’s easier for a self-employed person to conceal income. I would not be at all surprise if your confidential census form were to be shared with the IRS.

But maybe it works in the other direction, if that court case really is the precedent— that is, the IRS and other agencies can give their info to the Census, but the Census isn’t allowed to give out any of ITS info. ?

547 alegrias  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:59:03pm

re: #533 nyc redneck

i think gymnast is referring to all the new” trolls,” who, not too long ago, would have been bounced out of here so quickly by all the conservative posters on lgf.
now they spread out on the chase lounges and spew all kind of leftist b.s. and
oddly feel quite at home.

* * * *
NYRedneck, there were excellent conservative educated polite blog commenters today at the Wall Street Journal’s online article about the NBC/WSJ poll about Pres. Obama.

It was a terrific discussion, if you’re looking for constructive criticism & debate.

548 tblot  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:59:11pm

This is really crazy. I have email my rep. in washtoning state and only one form letter from a washington state senator reply in the same form letter I recieve last month. What I been hearing even seattle is tired of all the bs

549 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:59:12pm

re: #544 Shug

Walter, I like the new slim avatar, but I miss the hat !

It lacks Maisey.

550 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 7:59:16pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

Why should I pay taxes?

Senator Reid says that it is voluntary.

Just don’t volunteer.

551 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:00:02pm

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

Census doesn’t share info (in theory), but IRS does, to the census agency.

Well, there you go. It’s not a two-way street, just one-way. (When I read “share”, I usually think two-way.) Thank you.

552 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:00:25pm

re: #550 razorbacker

Why should I pay taxes?

Senator Reid says that it is voluntary.

Just don’t volunteer.

Reid is a PAULIAN? And a netNAZI?

OMG!

553 jorline  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:00:35pm

James Seals & Dash Crofts, 1971

Shitbird don’t fly away, fly away. Shitbird don’t fly away, fly away.
In you I’ve found a fragrance. I’ll love you ‘til I die.
I just love you, love you, love you. I don’t even know the reason why.
Shitbird don’t fly away, fly away. Shitbird don’t fly away, fly away.
The sweetness of your nectar has drawn me like a fly.
I just love you, love you, love you. I don’t even know the reason why. Now,
Shitbird don’t fly away, fly away. Shitbird don’t fly away, fly away.

554 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:00:40pm

re: #547 alegrias

* * * *
NYRedneck, there were excellent conservative educated polite blog commenters today at the Wall Street Journal’s online article about the NBC/WSJ poll about Pres. Obama.

It was a terrific discussion, if you’re looking for constructive criticism & debate.

thank you for the tip

555 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:00:51pm

Life is NOT short!

556 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:00:59pm

re: #527 Racer X

I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your assessment, only stating that there is no such thing as an unbiased news source. Never has been, never will be.

Once a person realizes that, they can further fine tune their BS filter.

557 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:01:12pm

Who knows the ugly history of ACORN raise your hand … cuz if you don’t and you have not read any of the many links on this blog you should … I don’t see how they can get one cent from the government … not one ! …

558 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:01:23pm

re: #546 iceweasel

But maybe it works in the other direction, if that court case really is the precedent— that is, the IRS and other agencies can give their info to the Census, but the Census isn’t allowed to give out any of ITS info. ?


That’s a very good explanation of how Census got her information, but it doesn’t explain why Census wants it in the first place. If all they cared about was how many people are self-employed, they could ask that on the general census form. They apparently want to know a lot more than that.

559 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:01:37pm

re: #533 nyc redneck

i think gymnast is referring to all the new” trolls,” who, not too long ago, would have been bounced out of here so quickly by all the conservative posters on lgf.
now they spread out on the chase lounges and spew all kind of leftist b.s. and
oddly feel quite at home.

Which trolls are those?

560 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:01:40pm

re: #526 Spare O’Lake

Forget the bus.
Picture a shortshit public hanging in Khomeini square.
Mullah Madness 2009!

They’ll need an itty-bitty noose and a wee little gallows.

561 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:02:03pm

OT

Fernando Rodney sucks

562 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:02:16pm

So…. still can’t figure out what a shitbird is.

563 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:02:27pm

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

Which trolls are those?

certainly not you.

564 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:02:52pm

re: #524 J.S.

Squabble.

565 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:02:52pm

re: #563 nyc redneck

certainly not you.

Flattery will get you everywhere

566 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:02:56pm

How to fill out a census form.

“Number of people living at this address”. Answer as accurately as your math skills allow.

All other items.

I am not sure, I don’t know, I don’t have a clue.

If a likely lookin’ member of ACORN comes to your door, put the dog on em.

567 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:03:12pm

re: #562 BigPapa

So…. still can’t figure out what a shitbird is.

BP … probably talking about Obama supporters … just guessing …

568 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:03:48pm

re: #530 solomonpanting

Do you file a tax return?

Do I ever. Ugh.

Thanks to everyone who answered my question, or guessed - I had assumed the sharing issue was the same for all agencies, where the census is concerned.

569 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:03:50pm

re: #558 doppelganglander

That’s a very good explanation of how Census got her information, but it doesn’t explain why Census wants it in the first place. If all they cared about was how many people are self-employed, they could ask that on the general census form. They apparently want to know a lot more than that.

Yes; I haven’t looked at the long form yet to see what kind of info they’re asking. I think people should just leave blank whatever they find intrusive. Or not return it if it bothers them.

I know we didn’t return it in 2000; nothing happened.

570 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:03:54pm

re: #556 Slumbering Behemoth

I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your assessment, only stating that there is no such thing as an unbiased news source. Never has been, never will be.

Once a person realizes that, they can further fine tune their BS filter.

I get that. My BS filter is functioning. I see so many others who just absorb this crap like it is tasty good. Even some posters here.

If I posted what I really thought I’d get

571 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:04:11pm

re: #552 OldLineTexan

Reid is a PAULIAN? And a netNAZI?

OMG!

Paying Income Taxes in America is Voluntary

572 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:04:38pm

re: #566 gymnast

If a likely lookin’ member of ACORN comes to your door, put the dog on em.

Nah. I’ll just ask them to give me the form to fill out for myself. If they can’t do that, then I guess it isn’t all that important.

573 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:04:40pm

ACORN and HUD.

574 wee fury  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:04:55pm

I think many of the old census takers were drunk when they took the census. I wonder if the Acorns drink.

575 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:05:09pm

re: #533 nyc redneck

i think gymnast is referring to all the new” trolls,” who, not too long ago, would have been bounced out of here so quickly by all the conservative posters on lgf.
now they spread out on the chase lounges and spew all kind of leftist b.s. and
oddly feel quite at home.

I would imagine that if the owner of LGF had a problem with this, he would have the means to rectify matters.

576 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:05:34pm

re: #574 wee fury

I think many of the old census takers were drunk when they took the census. I wonder if the Acorns drink.


Only kool-aid.

577 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:05:38pm

re: #489 gymnast

I thought a long list of W warning Congress about the upcoming meltdown might at least get a response.

But no.

You buy ‘em books and you buy ‘em books…

578 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:05:43pm

re: #564 Killgore Trout

theoretical question: How would one determine that X is “not the case.” ?

579 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:06:00pm

OT

Fernando Rodney f-ing sucks

580 jorline  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:06:12pm

re: #562 BigPapa

So…. still can’t figure out what a shitbird is.

Years ago we would refer to the big boss as a shitbird.
Flew in…shit on everyone…flew out!

581 jamgarr  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:06:37pm

re: #579 Shug

OT

Fernando Rodney f-ing sucks


Looks fine from STL

582 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:07:05pm

OT: Apparently the photographer who became so adept at framing Obama so he appeared to be ascending to the heavens is back at work. Check out St. John Ensign.

583 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:07:17pm

re: #540 Alouette

piglet is a musician. Most of them don’t make enough income to file IRS returns.

Oh, I pay a lot in taxes. But there’s probably some truth to that.

Q: What do you call a bass player who just broke up with his girlfriend?

A: Homeless.

584 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:07:38pm

re: #577 J.D.

I thought a long list of W warning Congress about the upcoming meltdown might at least get a response.

But no.

You buy ‘em books and you buy ‘em books…

-and all they do is chew the covers off ‘em.

585 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:07:47pm

Tigers try to lose and fail

586 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:07:53pm

re: #544 Shug

Walter, I like the new slim avatar, but I miss the hat !

re: #549 OldLineTexan

It lacks Maisey.

I’ll tell you what. I don’t have the bowler hat anymore (the costumer has it), but, sometime later this summer I will get a new picture with a really cool hat AND MAISEY.

Together, for the first time.

587 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:08:03pm

re: #579 Shug

Mark up another save for Rodney!

588 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:08:04pm

re: #557 JacksonTn

Who knows the ugly history of ACORN raise your hand … cuz if you don’t and you have not read any of the many links on this blog you should … I don’t see how they can get one cent from the government … not one ! …

ACORN, heir to the vast Obama fortune. Fortunes in America have been built on steel, railroads…and, and inheritance …from the taxpayers!

/what is a tea party? heh

589 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:08:18pm

re: #582 doppelganglander

Good eye! That’s priceless.

590 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:08:54pm

Census thread! So, is being a shitbird good or bad?

The Census takers will count their counts. Some of it will be BS, it always is….estimating illegal aliens, homeless people (all Democrats, of course). The data will be rough but should still give an fairly good idea about who is here in the good ol’ USA. It’s what is done with the data that counts. With Obama in the White House, I would look for Gerrymandering on a level not yet witnessed in our lifetime. These Democrats are playing for keeps right now, I would not be surprise to see permanent Democratic control of the house as their main goal…..regardless of what the data says. This census will be the most politicized ever. It will be used as a political weapon. If groups like ACORN are involved, any chance of a unbiased count is gone. And, with Obama “personally” taking charge rather than the Dept. of Commerce doing it, what else would anyone expect.

591 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:08:56pm

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

Which trolls are those?

Which trolls these are I think I know;
Their house is in the village though.
Most will not see us stopping here,
To watch the threads fill up with snow.

Some old lizards must think it queer,
To have so many liberals near,
Between the woods and frozen lake,
More shitbirds arrive with every year.

/

592 wee fury  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:08:57pm

re: #576 solomonpanting

Only kool-aid.

:-)

593 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:09:20pm

re: #586 Walter L. Newton

I’ll tell you what. I don’t have the bowler hat anymore (the costumer has it), but, sometime later this summer I will get a new picture with a really cool hat AND MAISEY.

Together, for the first time.

you’re still a dapper cat, hat or not

594 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:09:28pm

OT: Limited edition Father’s Day temporary avatar.

Mitch and Flapjack the toy poodle

595 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:09:45pm

re: #575 Flyers1974

I would imagine that if the owner of LGF had a problem with this, he would have the means to rectify matters.

seriously, are you implying that charles tolerates shitbirds?

596 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:09:52pm

re: #562 BigPapa

It is not you.

597 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:09:53pm

re: #586 Walter L. Newton

I’ll tell you what. I don’t have the bowler hat anymore (the costumer has it), but, sometime later this summer I will get a new picture with a really cool hat AND MAISEY.

Together, for the first time.

YAY!

598 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:10:11pm

re: #585 Shug

Tigers try to lose and fail

Ya can’t lose ‘em all (Lions and Bucs, notwithstanding).

599 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:10:20pm

re: #594 OldLineTexan

OT: Limited edition Father’s Day temporary avatar.

Mitch and Flapjack the toy poodle


‘

cute duo

600 Racer X  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:10:28pm

Pillsbury Dough Boy Dies At Age 71

601 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:11:06pm

re: #591 iceweasel

I’ve never seen a troll shitbird.
I hope I never see one.
But I can say without delay,
I’d rather see than be one.

602 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:11:30pm

re: #591 iceweasel

Which trolls these are I think I know;
Their house is in the village though.
Most will not see us stopping here,
To watch the threads fill up with snow.

Some old lizards must think it queer,
To have so many liberals near,
Between the woods and frozen lake,
More shitbirds arrive with every year.

/

/clap clap clap clap

“I know an Obama that swatted a fly”

/

603 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:11:51pm

re: #585 Shug

Tigers try to lose and fail

White Sox try to win and fail. Cubs score 5 runs in 2 innings to win 6-5. Go Cubs!

604 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:11:57pm

re: #600 Racer X

Pillsbury Dough Boy Dies At Age 71

Was it something he ate?

605 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:12:28pm

re: #600 Racer X

Pillsbury Dough Boy Dies At Age 71

Day-um! I just saw Mikey Moore on the tube last night. He looked fine…well…you know what I mean. He didn’t look at death’s door, anyway.

606 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:12:32pm

There was an old lady who lived in a Shoe
ACORN asked her her race and she said F YOU

607 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:12:39pm

re: #516 Slumbering Behemoth

Especially true with newspapers. Nothing objectionable there, provided the bias doesn’t bleed out of the Op_Ed pages into hard news.

Unfortunately this seems to be the case lately.

608 jamgarr  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:12:54pm

Spring has sprung
The grass has riz
I wonder who them shitbirds is

609 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:13:35pm

re: #562 BigPapa

So…. still can’t figure out what a shitbird is.

Does this help?

610 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:13:48pm

re: #586 Walter L. Newton

I’ll tell you what. I don’t have the bowler hat anymore (the costumer has it), but, sometime later this summer I will get a new picture with a really cool hat AND MAISEY.

Together, for the first time.

You look like Benjamin Button as a teenager.

611 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:14:23pm

re: #606 Shug

There was an old lady who lived in a Shoe
ACORN asked her her race and she said F YOU

Then ACORN wrote down 15 little Democrats and went next door to the Three Little Pigs to see how many Republicans were not there

612 Lynn B.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:14:52pm
“I think what the threat of ACORN would be deluding the ballot box and the effectiveness of our vote,” she said. “They will be in charge of going door to door and collecting data from the American public, this is very concerning.”

The story linked here is a CBS news blog and appears to have been written by someone who doesn’t have great mastery of the English language (w/ all due respect), as the above “quote” indicates. So a few of the facts may be skewed as well.

In the original Washington Times article, Bachmann still comes off as a nut but maybe just a slightly less nutty nut.

“Deluding the ballot box.” Right. The word was probably “diluting,” but there appear to be words missing in there as well.

613 jorline  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:15:33pm

re: #600 Racer X

Pillsbury Dough Boy Dies At Age 71

lmao…PBO gave life partners Hostess Twinkies full medical benefits.
//

614 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:16:03pm

re: #602 OldLineTexan

/clap clap clap clap

“I know an Obama that swatted a fly”

/

“I don’t why he swatted the fly,
The Economy died.

I know an Obama that swallowed GM,
Don’t ask me or them, he swallowed GM.
He swallowed GM to swat the fly,
I don’t why he swatted the fly,
The Economy died.”

615 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:16:08pm

I remember what came before “shitbirds”. It was “sick fucks”. How many of you sick fucks are shitbirds?

/

616 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:16:11pm

re: #596 J.D.

It is not you.

Are you sure? I mean… maybe I want to be a shitbird, it might be cool!

I have a feeling I know what it means, but want to be sure before a deposit a War and Peace treatise rife with innuendo and fallacio.

617 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:16:39pm

re: #607 irongrampa

There is a bias to everything, and everyone is biased, without a single exception.

For one example, I am biased in favor of strong national defense.

618 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:16:54pm

re: #612 Lynn B.

“Deluding the ballot box.” Right. The word was probably “diluting,” but there appear to be words missing in there as well.

Actually, deluding does seem to apply in this case.
;]

619 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:17:13pm

re: #616 BigPapa

Are you sure? I mean… maybe I want to be a shitbird, it might be cool!

I have a feeling I know what it means, but want to be sure before a deposit a War and Peace treatise rife with innuendo and fallacio.

Que?

620 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:17:30pm

re: #615 OldLineTexan
Nope, I distinctly remember “shitpickers” from cato.

621 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:17:32pm

re: #594 OldLineTexan

OT: Limited edition Father’s Day temporary avatar.

Mitch and Flapjack the toy poodle


Cuteness!

622 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:17:39pm

re: #617 Slumbering Behemoth

Is Obama?

623 horse  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:17:54pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to a see how many lizards agree with Bachmann. Glenn Beck’s call for people to stop paying their taxes may catch on afterall.

It’s a libertarian point of view, hopefully still prevalent in this land. I certainly understand the need for our society to know how many people live within our boundaries. They do have to allocate congressional seats, and there are monies to dispense based on population and age. I do not believe government needs many other details of our lives. It would be nice to have a link to the full form so we know exactly what else they want answered.

I certainly don’t want details beyond number and age going through the hands of organizations who have broken laws in the past. If they consolidate and keep personal information for their own purposes, who is going to prosecute them? Not this DOJ; and if there is an IG over them, the precedent for appropriate IG behavior was recently established. Can’t say there is much trust in the situation, at least until we see the detailed quesitons they intend to ask.

624 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:18:09pm

re: #619 OldLineTexan

Que?

I looked twice at that, too!

BigPapa, you don’t want to be one. You must trust me on this.

625 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:18:13pm

re: #615 OldLineTexan

Me, according to a nephew.

626 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:18:25pm

re: #620 snowcrash

Nope, I distinctly remember “shitpickers” from cato.

I guarantee you the “sick fucks” thread happened.

627 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:18:35pm

re: #614 Dark_Falcon

“I don’t why he swatted the fly,
The Economy died.

I know an Obama that swallowed GM,
Don’t ask me or them, he swallowed GM.
He swallowed GM to swat the fly,
I don’t why he swatted the fly,
The Economy died.”

I know an Obama who sneered, “I won.”
He thinks he’s the sun because he won.
He said, “I won.” to take over GM.
He swallowed GM to swat the fly…

628 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:18:53pm

re: #601 livefreeor die

I’ve never seen a troll shitbird.
I hope I never see one.
But I can say without delay,
I’d rather see than be one.

The lizards give their scales a shake,
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound’s the ring,
Of welcomes from Charles,
regardless of wing.

The threads are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And shitbirds to see before I sleep,
And shitbirds to see before I sleep.

629 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:19:16pm

re: #609 Spare O’Lake

You need to study some ornithology before you start playing amateur birdwatcher.

630 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:19:45pm

A great many of these census questions seem designed to allow for distribution of ‘federal’ funds to favored segments of the population.

May I make a modest proposal?

If the feds leave my money in my pocket to start with, they won’t have to worry about how to get my money back to me.

Hell. I’m just a simple, ridge-running, cousin-humping hillbilly, and I can cipher that out.

631 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:20:03pm

re: #625 irongrampa

Me, according to a nephew.

Walk proud, gramps, walk proud.

Screwing with the next generation is a sacred duty.

632 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:20:05pm

re: #610 Alouette

You look like Benjamin Button as a teenager.

What? Don’t know the reference. Do I want to know the reference?

633 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:20:07pm

re: #614 Dark_Falcon

clap clap clap!

634 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:20:22pm

re: #630 razorbacker

A great many of these census questions seem designed to allow for distribution of ‘federal’ funds to favored segments of the population.

May I make a modest proposal?

If the feds leave my money in my pocket to start with, they won’t have to worry about how to get my money back to me.

Hell. I’m just a simple, ridge-running, cousin-humping hillbilly, and I can cipher that out.

RB … Spread the Wealth … its the new black …

635 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:20:26pm

re: #626 OldLineTexan

I guarantee you the “sick fucks” thread happened.

it did happen. it was a quasi-shitbird slinging “sick fuck” slurs. iirc

636 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:20:27pm

re: #619 OldLineTexan

I’m an avid yet unlicensed wordsmith. I threw ‘fallacy’ and ‘fellacio’ up against the wall of my mind and that’s what my fingers typed.

637 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:20:42pm

re: #622 irongrampa

Is Obama?

Do you mean is Obama biased? Of course he is. That’s like asking if Obama breaths, or if he eats.

Everyone is biased. No exceptions.

638 jorline  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:21:18pm

re: #602 OldLineTexan

/clap clap clap clap

“I know an Obama that swatted a fly”

/

I know an Obama that swatted a fly
He swatted the fly
I don’t know why

Now PETA is pissed
They wished he had missed
The liberal loons are running amuck
And me, I don’t give a fuck

639 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:21:30pm

re: #595 nyc redneck

seriously, are you implying that charles tolerates shitbirds?

The post to which I replied, did not mention the word. It did mention trolls. I did not bother to dispute your assertion of trolls, because I did not take the assertion seriously. It seems indisputable, that trolls, when found are blocked. By trolls, you obviously meant the non-conservatives here. I am stating not implying that Charles tolerates non-conservatives by virtue of the fact that we exist on this blog. It should not be a matter of dispute, that Charles has the means to block those he does not want on his blog.

640 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:21:53pm

re: #631 OldLineTexan

Then, sir, we truly share a commonality.

641 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:22:17pm

re: #630 razorbacker

If the feds leave my money in my pocket to start with, they won’t have to worry about how to get my money back to me.

Believe me, they aren’y worried about how to return your money to you. They concerned with how to redistribute it to others.

642 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:22:32pm

re: #630 razorbacker

A great many of these census questions seem designed to allow for distribution of ‘federal’ funds to favored segments of the population.

May I make a modest proposal?

If the feds leave my money in my pocket to start with, they won’t have to worry about how to get my money back to me.

Hell. I’m just a simple, ridge-running, cousin-humping hillbilly, and I can cipher that out.

Are you a-clinging to your guns and Bible?

643 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:22:36pm

re: #622 irongrampa

Is Obama?

re: #637 Slumbering Behemoth

Do you mean is Obama biased?

Or, DUH! Maybe you meant to ask if he is biased in favor of strong national defense. I don’t know, but I am highly skeptical.

644 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:23:08pm

re: #632 Walter L. Newton

What? Don’t know the reference. Do I want to know the reference?

It’s a movie I watched last night.

645 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:23:16pm

didn’t peta say it was ok for him to kill a mosquito or a cock roach.
wonder why they think a fly is so special?
fcking maggots.

646 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:23:23pm

Hey outside philly! How are you doing?

647 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:23:44pm

re: #627 livefreeor die

I know an Obama who sneered, “I won.”
He thinks he’s the sun because he won.
He said, “I won.” to take over GM.
He swallowed GM to swat the fly…

I know Obama who looks like a horse,
(That’s Barack’s wife of course) :D

648 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:23:55pm

Mary Had A little lamb
It’s fleece was white as snow
After ACORN did their count
That fleece was calico

649 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:24:23pm

re: #639 Flyers1974

The post to which I replied, did not mention the word. It did mention trolls. I did not bother to dispute your assertion of trolls, because I did not take the assertion seriously. It seems indisputable, that trolls, when found are blocked. By trolls, you obviously meant the non-conservatives here. I am stating not implying that Charles tolerates non-conservatives by virtue of the fact that we exist on this blog. It should not be a matter of dispute, that Charles has the means to block those he does not want on his blog.

wow

650 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:24:27pm

re: #645 nyc redneck

didn’t peta say it was ok for him to kill a mosquito or a cock roach.
wonder why they think a fly is so special?
fcking maggots.

Are you referring to PETA or flies?

651 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #640 irongrampa

Then, sir, we truly share a commonality.

One of my nephews thinks I am insane.

The other one knows it.

If I had no children, I would have been the world’s greatest uncle. Plane trips, desert hikes, moonshine, the whole shebang.

As it is, Mitch and I are watching TV while Flapjack and Butterbean snooze in their doggybeds.

652 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:25:18pm

re: #645 nyc redneck

Give them a small brerak, wading in the shallow end of the gene pool is discouraging at best.

653 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:25:43pm

I kill flies by clapping above them, they fly into the clap every time. Obama got lucky with that girly swat probably because the set was air conditioned and flies get slow in the AC. That weak stuff won’t work at the picnic table in July. Hells no.

654 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:25:49pm

re: #650 livefreeor die

Are you referring to PETA or flies?

peta, of course.

655 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:25:56pm

Do you have to tell ACORN the truth? Can they come in and count the number of rooms in your house if you tell them you have only one?

656 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:26:03pm

re: #639 Flyers1974

It’s clear Charles welcomes all points of view, so long as they’re well-argued and respectful. Moreover, he updings good posts regardless of the ideological standpoint of the poster.
A fact some of those decrying nonconservatives as automatic ‘trolls’ would do well to take into account. Just saying.

657 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:26:20pm

re: #649 nyc redneck

wow

Which part of my statement is false?

658 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:26:35pm

re: #321 MandyManners

Wait a second. From what I’m aware, the US Census does NOT, repeat does NOT use “statistical methods” based on samples. (It’s because the US Census is based on the US Constitution — and the Founders of the Us Constitution did not trust “statistics based on samples.” In other words, in the United States, unlike in many other parts of the world, census takers must ask actual individuals questions —- in other words, the census takers cannot take a random sample of individuals then extrapolate to a larger group, (that’s the essence of “doing” statistics, btw, you want to be able to take a small number of people , then generalize to a larger group — that can’t be done by US census takers…they’re limited to asking actual people and not extrapolating to larger groups.)

659 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:26:41pm

re: #653 Mich-again

I kill flies by clapping above them, they fly into the clap every time. Obama got lucky with that girly swat probably because the set was air conditioned and flies get slow in the AC. That weak stuff won’t work at the picnic table in July. Hells no.

I’ve killed a fly with my hand before in July on a picnic table.

660 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:27:01pm

re: #657 Flyers1974
Do you post all night long from work?

661 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:27:24pm

re: #658 J.S.

Wait a second. From what I’m aware, the US Census does NOT, repeat does NOT use “statistical methods” based on samples. (It’s because the US Census is based on the US Constitution — and the Founders of the Us Constitution did not trust “statistics based on samples.” In other words, in the United States, unlike in many other parts of the world, census takers must ask actual individuals questions —- in other words, the census takers cannot take a random sample of individuals then extrapolate to a larger group, (that’s the essence of “doing” statistics, btw, you want to be able to take a small number of people , then generalize to a larger group — that can’t be done by US census takers…they’re limited to asking actual people and not extrapolating to larger groups.)

Well, the WSJ article states that the head is a sampler.

662 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:27:28pm

re: #655 MandyManners

Do you have to tell ACORN the truth? Can they come in and count the number of rooms in your house if you tell them you have only one?

And by law you have to provide them a bag of Munchos and a Mountain Dew if they ask.

663 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:27:29pm

re: #639 Flyers1974

The post to which I replied, did not mention the word. It did mention trolls. I did not bother to dispute your assertion of trolls, because I did not take the assertion seriously. It seems indisputable, that trolls, when found are blocked. By trolls, you obviously meant the non-conservatives here. I am stating not implying that Charles tolerates non-conservatives by virtue of the fact that we exist on this blog. It should not be a matter of dispute, that Charles has the means to block those he does not want on his blog.

Experience has shown that trolls can be of any party. Assholes have a harder time here than lefties. Leftys or Obama supporters are fine if they, like the conservs, behave. There are a few seeming lefties here but they behave, as it should be.

I’d have a lot of respect for any lefty who can exist here, debate, yet behave while making strong arguments. I’m probably not the only one who would give well deserved karma for that.

664 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:27:45pm

re: #652 irongrampa

Give them a small brerak, wading in the shallow end of the gene pool is discouraging at best.

you, sir, are correct.

665 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:27:56pm

It is past 8:00pm, and has finally cooled down to a chilly 92 degrees. Nearly cool enough to head out to the garage and do a few things.

Later Lizards.

/damn this gorebull warming!

666 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:28:23pm

re: #659 MandyManners

I’ve killed a fly with my hand before in July on a picnic table.

Were his legs stuck in barbeque sauce?

667 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:28:24pm

re: #660 snowcrash

Do you post all night long from work?

Why would you think I am working at night?

668 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:28:40pm

re: #655 MandyManners

Do you have to tell ACORN the truth? Can they come in and count the number of rooms in your house if you tell them you have only one?

There is no way I am letting them in my house. I will fill out the stupid form, more or less, but they will not come in.

669 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:29:14pm

re: #639 Flyers1974

By trolls, you obviously meant the non-conservatives here.


No. I think the definition is in the LGF dictionary, though, if you want to check it out.

670 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:29:17pm

re: #630 razorbacker

Hell. I’m just a simple, ridge-running, cousin-humping hillbilly, and I can cipher that out.

Stick with what you know Razor. Your betters in Washington are way more nuanced docha’ know. A little attitude adjustment is in order here or you just may miss out on the new Hopey Changey Society!

By the way, your cousin is kinda cute!

671 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:29:40pm

re: #657 Flyers1974

Which part of my statement is false?



hells bells
why are you so defensive?
obviously i am in awe of your “statement”.

672 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:30:04pm

re: #670 The Shadow Do

Stick with what you know Razor. Your betters in Washington are way more nuanced docha’ know. A little attitude adjustment is in order here or you just may miss out on the new Hopey Changey Society!

By the way, your cousin is kinda cute!

If he divorces her, is she still his sister?

/

673 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:30:04pm

re: #656 iceweasel

A fact some of those decrying nonconservatives as automatic ‘trolls’ would do well to take into account. Just saying.

Well said. LGF is not an echochamber.

674 wee fury  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:30:18pm

When the little Acorns come knocking at our doors - they will probably began this way:

Youtube Video
675 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:30:29pm

re: #669 J.D.

No. I think the definition is in the LGF dictionary, though, if you want to check it out.

I was going by the word trolls as he used same.

676 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:30:33pm

re: #661 MandyManners

hmmm….that’s odd, since he won’t be of much use…(unless of course the US Constitution is irrelevant.)

677 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:30:33pm

re: #662 Mich-again

And by law you have to provide them a bag of Munchos and a Mountain Dew if they ask.

Fresh out of both.

678 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:31:10pm

Far as I can tell, the only thing the Census Bureau needs to know is the # of people living in a specific residence. All the services-police, fire, school, number od political reps, etc flow from that. Anything else is isnt relevant, imho.

679 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:31:20pm

re: #676 J.S.

hmmm….that’s odd, since he won’t be of much use…(unless of course the US Constitution is irrelevant.)

How much do you bet that sampling gets done and a huge fight erupts?

680 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:31:53pm

re: #663 BigPapa

Experience has shown that trolls can be of any party. Assholes have a harder time here than lefties. Leftys or Obama supporters are fine if they, like the conservs, behave. There are a few seeming lefties here but they behave, as it should be.

I’d have a lot of respect for any lefty who can exist here, debate, yet behave while making strong arguments. I’m probably not the only one who would give well deserved karma for that.

This is exactly what my thought was. Otherwise, I wouldn’t bother posting.

681 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:31:54pm

re: #663 BigPapa

Experience has shown that trolls can be of any party. Assholes have a harder time here than lefties. Leftys or Obama supporters are fine if they, like the conservs, behave. There are a few seeming lefties here but they behave, as it should be.

I’d have a lot of respect for any lefty who can exist here, debate, yet behave while making strong arguments. I’m probably not the only one who would give well deserved karma for that.

See, there’s three kinds of people: righties, lefties, and trolls. Lefties think everyone can get along, and righties just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your trolls, Big Papa. And all the trolls want us to shit all over everything! So, lefties may get mad at righties once in a while, because lefties get fucked by righties. But righties also fuck trolls, Pig Papa. And if they didn’t fuck the trolls, you know what you’d get? You’d get your righties and your lefties all covered in shit!

682 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:32:05pm

re: #666 Mich-again

Were his legs stuck in barbeque sauce?

Nope but, his guts were stuck on my hand.

683 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:33:26pm

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

See, there’s three kinds of people: righties, lefties, and trolls. Lefties think everyone can get along, and righties just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your trolls, Big Papa. And all the trolls want us to shit all over everything! So, lefties may get mad at righties once in a while, because lefties get fucked by righties. But righties also fuck trolls, Pig Papa. And if they didn’t fuck the trolls, you know what you’d get? You’d get your righties and your lefties all covered in shit!

Dirka, dirka. Mohammed. Jihad.

684 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:33:58pm

re: #683 livefreeor die

Dirka, dirka. Mohammed. Jihad.

Got it, a little creative clip and paste by me.

685 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:34:02pm

re: #668 VioletTiger

There is no way I am letting them in my house. I will fill out the stupid form, more or less, but they will not come in.

As I said earlier, I’m not answering the door to strangers for a long time.

686 J.S.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:34:37pm

re: #679 MandyManners

(I’ve run into indivudals who’d love to do real statistical work with all the data the US census provides…it’ll probably be done, but it won’t be for “public consumption.” )

687 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:34:41pm

From the article regarding the $5000 fine:

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Bachmann may be in trouble if she fails to fill out the entire census. Spokeswoman Shelly Lowe told the Washington Times that anyone over the age of 18 must fill out all the questions and any such person who refuses to answer “any of the questions” faces a $5,000 fine.

That is incorrect:

-CITE-
13 USC [US Code] Sec. 221 01/08/2008

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS

-HEAD-
Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

-STATUTE-
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.

(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

[Link: uscode.house.gov…]

Also see TITLE 13—CENSUS - US Code Census

[Link: www4.law.cornell.edu…]

688 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:34:51pm

re: #685 MandyManners

As I said earlier, I’m not answering the door to strangers for a long time.

Candygram!

689 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:35:14pm

re: #673 BigPapa

Well said. LGF is not an echochamber.

No, LGF isn’t at all.

I think for any big site on the internet it’s inevitable that you’ll get some assholes, because that’s the nature of the internet.

For any big political site on the internet, you’ll always see a small number of members who would like it to be an echochamber that merely reinforces their own beliefs— because that’s often the nature of partisanship. It’s inevitable.

Charles does a much better job than almost anywhere else in maintaining a site that doesn’t collapse into an echochamber.

690 Chrees  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:35:14pm

Gee, she’s sorely lacking in the sense of humor Republicans are told they need.

You know,the need to laugh at election fraud, guffaw at trampling of law and the Constitution, and chortle at the personal attacks of family.

691 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:35:17pm

re: #672 OldLineTexan

If he divorces her, is she still his sister?

/

That there is a head scratcher. Only on the nights he is sleeping with her?

692 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:35:22pm

re: #688 OldLineTexan

Candygram!

Plumber!

693 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:35:52pm

re: #686 J.S.

(I’ve run into indivudals who’d love to do real statistical work with all the data the US census provides…it’ll probably be done, but it won’t be for “public consumption.” )

I hope the Republicans pay close attention.

694 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:36:15pm

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

See, there’s three kinds of people: righties, lefties, and trolls. Lefties think everyone can get along, and righties just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your trolls, Big Papa. And all the trolls want us to shit all over everything! So, lefties may get mad at righties once in a while, because lefties get fucked by righties. But righties also fuck trolls, Pig Papa. And if they didn’t fuck the trolls, you know what you’d get? You’d get your righties and your lefties all covered in shit!

Lefties think everyone can get along? Lefties think righties are evil and do all they can to defeat them. Righties think lefties are naive, idealistic and misguided. Trolls are assholes and come in all shapes, sizes and flavors

695 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:36:17pm

Seems that some of you newbie wizz-bangs ought to Google up “Census Derived Population Samples”. Once upon a time this was known a a place that fact-checked your ass. Now it looks like a tourist hang out.

696 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:36:33pm

re: #688 OldLineTexan

Candygram!

LOL!

697 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:36:33pm

re: #688 OldLineTexan

Candygram!

Candygram for Mongo.

698 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:36:41pm

re: #692 J.D.

Plumber!

Pizza!

699 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:36:44pm

re: #681 Walter L. Newton

Pig Papa. And if they didn’t fuck the trolls…

Well just call me a Pig****er then Walter, don’t beat around the bush!

(snicker)

700 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:37:16pm

re: #695 gymnast

It still is.

701 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:37:34pm

re: #698 OldLineTexan

Pizza!

I’m only a dolphin, ma’am.

702 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:37:43pm

re: #700 MandyManners

It still is.

That fact-checks your ass, that is.

703 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:38:26pm

re: #700 MandyManners

It still is.

You cannot reason with a man in the depths of an ether binge.

704 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:38:40pm

re: #687 Gus 802

Gus, that a good example of fact checkin’.

705 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:38:52pm

re: #701 iceweasel

I’m only a dolphin, ma’amSENATOR.

FTFY

706 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:39:09pm

re: #687 Gus 802

Gus … wonder how many times you could have your kids answer the door … my parents are not home and I am not allowed to talk to strangers? … how many times would they come back? … it says under 18 do not have to answer questions …

707 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:39:11pm

re: #653 Mich-again

I kill flies by clapping above them, they fly into the clap every time. Obama got lucky with that girly swat probably because the set was air conditioned and flies get slow in the AC. That weak stuff won’t work at the picnic table in July. Hells no.

At the 5:55 mark here.

708 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:39:19pm

Now what kind of damn fool would divorce his cousin?

You take her to the family reunion, wait until she’s passed out under the bobby-cue cooker, and just slip out the back.

Ain’t like she’ll make it all the way home barefooted, anyway.

You dumbasses always want to complicate things.

709 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:39:32pm

re: #695 gymnast

Seems like someone is ragging the newer people here. Care to name nics, gymnast?

710 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:39:34pm

re: #679 MandyManners

It will be done IMO….Damn the Constitution!

711 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:39:39pm

re: #705 Gus 802

1,000 updings and a “Shitbird” t-shirt.

712 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:39:40pm

re: #671 nyc redneck

hells bells
why are you so defensive?
obviously i am in awe of your “statement”.

You are pretending to be serious, yet claim to be in awe of a simple explanation, to a question you asked. And you put quotes around “statement.” Trying to figure out were you’re going with this.

713 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:40:18pm

re: #708 razorbacker

Now what kind of damn fool would divorce his cousin?

You take her to the family reunion, wait until she’s passed out under the bobby-cue cooker, and just slip out the back.

Ain’t like she’ll make it all the way home barefooted, anyway.

You dumbasses always want to complicate things.

Sorry, pa.

714 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:40:18pm

re: #695 gymnast

Seems that some of you newbie wizz-bangs ought to Google up “Census Derived Population Samples”. Once upon a time this was known a a place that fact-checked your ass. Now it looks like a tourist hang out.

Yes, there is a more diverse collection of Lizards here on lGF than may have been in the past. But, then again, this blog was never designed to be a conservative blog as much as a anti-idiotarian blog, so, you are going to get left, right and in between, and occasionally some bullshit. This place is not run just for your amusement alone.

Maybe if you could be a little less cryptic and if you have a problem with some facts (or lack of it), then debate the issue instead of just dumping on people.

Try it.

715 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:40:26pm

re: #712 Flyers1974

You are pretending to be serious, yet claim to be in awe of a simple explanation, to a question you asked. And you put quotes around “statement.” Trying to figure out were you’re going with this.

i’m not trying to figure out anything troll.

716 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:40:59pm

re: #711 OldLineTexan

1,000 updings and a “Shitbird” t-shirt.

i want one.

717 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:41:01pm

re: #695 gymnast

Seems that some of you newbie wizz-bangs ought to Google up “Census Derived Population Samples”. Once upon a time this was known a a place that fact-checked your ass. Now it looks like a tourist hang out.

Here’s a few words for you:

pompous

condescending

supercilious

I think you will find them familar

718 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:41:02pm

re: #706 JacksonTn

Gus … wonder how many times you could have your kids answer the door … my parents are not home and I am not allowed to talk to strangers? … how many times would they come back? … it says under 18 do not have to answer questions …

As long as it hasn’t been superseded. I think generally 18 or over would have to apply.

719 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:42:08pm

re: #689 iceweasel

I think for any big site on the internet it’s inevitable that you’ll get some assholes, because that’s the nature of the internet people.

FIFY. I used to post on Mother Jones when it had a forum, but it took a lot of work, a hell of a lot, to keep debate on subject. I have an account on DKos and may someday try to post, but I’m not looking forward to the work to keep stuff on target, and worse, don’t think my sublime and nuanced sense off humor will be appreciated for how truly awesome it is!

I have to watch closely here to find things to disagree with and discuss here, but I’d rather have that then the alternative.

I used to post a little on Salon a long time ago but then they started charging, but it seemed a little less crappy there.

720 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:42:18pm

re: #711 OldLineTexan

1,000 updings and a “Shitbird” t-shirt.

Can I get one in green?

Regarding the fine. I was supposed to fill out a self-employment census about 9 years ago. Well, I let it slide and got a final warning and the fine threat from Uncle Sam was $500.

721 livefreeor die  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:42:30pm

re: #714 Walter L. Newton

I kantz bee schitbyrd?

722 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:42:40pm

re: #709 Dark_Falcon

No. I don’t care to name nics.
Do Dark_Falcons have feathers? Or is that just a five o’clock shadow?

723 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:43:24pm

Brave Little Obama

Attracted by the smell, a swarm of flies settled onto the bread.

“Hey! Who invited you?” said the little Obama, driving away the unbidden guests. However, the flies, who did not understand the language of organization, would not be turned away, and they came back in ever-increasing numbers. Finally, losing his temper, he reached for a piece of cloth and shouted, “Wait, now I’m going to give it to you!” then hit at them without mercy. When he backed off and counted, there were no fewer than seven of them lying dead before him, with their legs stretched out.

“Aren’t you someone?” he said to himself, surprised at his own bravery. The whole town shall hear about this.” He hastily cut out a banner for himself, then embroidered on it with large letters, Seven with one blow. “The town?” he said further. “The whole world shall hear about this!” And his heart jumped for joy like a lamb’s tail.

Some small liberties may have been taken with the original.

724 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:44:02pm

re: #705 Gus 802

FTFY

Heh. I knew someone would do that. :)

725 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:44:06pm

re: #716 nyc redneck

i want one.

no shitshirt for you

/ shitbird shirt nazi

726 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:44:10pm

re: #722 gymnast

No. I don’t care to name nics.
Do Dark_Falcons have feathers? Or is that just a five o’clock shadow?

My facial hair does tend to grow quickly, why do you ask?

727 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:44:35pm

that is how o appears manly. taking charge and swatting a fly.

728 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:45:03pm

re: #724 iceweasel

Heh. I knew someone would do that. :)

I couldn’t resist! =0

729 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:45:35pm

re: #725 Shug

no shitshirt for you

/ shitbird shirt nazi

LOL

730 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:45:41pm

As a right-wing h8r, potential shitbird, and noted sick fuck, I just want to restate my unequivocal support of President Barack Hussein Obama’s No Fly Zone.

731 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:46:21pm

re: #719 BigPapa

FIFY. I used to post on Mother Jones when it had a forum, but it took a lot of work, a hell of a lot, to keep debate on subject. I have an account on DKos and may someday try to post, but I’m not looking forward to the work to keep stuff on target, and worse, don’t think my sublime and nuanced sense off humor will be appreciated for how truly awesome it is!

I have to watch closely here to find things to disagree with and discuss here, but I’d rather have that then the alternative.

I used to post a little on Salon a long time ago but then they started charging, but it seemed a little less crappy there.

Totally agree with you on all counts. Does Salon really charge now to post? I thought anyone could comment on certain sections. Or is it that they charge to post in the “Talk” section or whatever they call it?

732 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:46:46pm

re: #722 gymnast

A little shitbird for you (NSF anything)

Image: DragQueencopy.jpg

733 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:47:16pm

re: #730 OldLineTexan

President Barack Hussein Obama’s No Fly Zone

?

734 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:47:46pm

re: #726 Dark_Falcon

My facial hair does tend to grow quickly, why do you ask?

Because now he’ll be intimidated by your manliness and call you a shitbird again. Counting down…..

735 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:47:58pm

re: #732 Walter L. Newton

A little shitbird for you (NSF anything)

[Link: media.photobucket.com…]

Must-get-to-brain-bleach.

//

736 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:48:10pm

re: #732 Walter L. Newton

A little shitbird for you (NSF anything)

[Link: media.photobucket.com…]


Is that Joy Behar ?

737 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:48:11pm

re: #732 Walter L. Newton

A little shitbird for you (NSF anything)

[Link: media.photobucket.com…]

Brain Bleach!

738 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:48:27pm

re: #733 J.D.

?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

739 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:48:45pm

re: #736 Shug

Is that Joy Behar ?

I knew it looked familiar!

740 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:48:48pm

re: #735 Gus 802

Must-get-to-brain-bleach.

//

Sorry, I used it all up on that one.

741 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:48:57pm

re: #727 nyc redneck

I’m sure Michelle (Obama), with her impressive guns, would have nailed it mid flight Miyagi style, and she’s a fashion icon to boot!

742 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:49:01pm

re: #736 Shug

Is that Joy Behar ?

No Joy in that Mudville …

743 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:49:16pm

re: #736 Shug

Is that Joy Behar ?

No. This guy is better looking.

744 razorbacker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:49:33pm

Wonder how a census taker would deal with a deaf, dumb and blind boy?

Who plays a mean pinball.

Nytol.

745 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:49:51pm

re: #736 Shug

Is that Joy Behar ?

No… Pati O’furniture…

Image: DragQueencopy.jpg

746 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:49:56pm

re: #743 solomonpanting

No. This guy is better looking.

and he appears to no longer be full of shit

unlike Joy

747 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:50:03pm

re: #738 OldLineTexan

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

How quickly I forgot.

748 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:50:15pm

re: #732 Walter L. Newton

Hey…. I don’t think he’s a natural blond!

749 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:50:43pm

re: #730 OldLineTexan

As a right-wing h8r, potential shitbird, and noted sick fuck, I just want to restate my unequivocal support of President Barack Hussein Obama’s No Fly Zone.

Have you seen this?

Good news: White House is crawling with flies

Time for the POTUS to get busy. Finally, a job I trust him with.

750 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:50:47pm

re: #736 Shug

Is that Joy Behar ?

No, it’s Joy BeHair.

751 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:50:47pm

re: #748 BigPapa

Hey…. I don’t think he’s a natural blond!

And the toilet paper is bleached.

752 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:51:02pm

re: #732 Walter L. Newton

So where’d you get the pic of uncle Floyd? I thought we burnt all the negs.

753 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:51:10pm

re: #703 OldLineTexan

You cannot reason with a man in the depths of an ether binge.

Oh god, what is that from? Burroughs, Naked Lunch?—
No, its Hunter S Thompson, right? fear and loathing in LV?

754 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:51:38pm

re: #752 irongrampa

So where’d you get the pic of uncle Floyd? I thought we burnt all the negs.

In the trash can next to the computer in the basement.

755 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:51:45pm

re: #746 Shug

and he appears to no longer be full of shit

unlike Joy

I’m He’s relieved to hear that.

756 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:52:00pm

My how times have changed. Used to be that cBS was a dirty word around here - what with Dan Rather, Mary Mapes, 60 Minutes all involved in trying to throw the election to John Kerry and were stopped dead in their tracks by our own Charles. Now they apparently are an indisputable source of evidence.
Used to be that when the powers in Washington were Republicans who ran up huge deficits (made larger by the Democratic Controlled Congress in the last two years) we belted ‘em around like a pinata even though they were actively fighting a war in Iran and actively fighting a war in Afghanistan and trying to remedy some of the absolutely horrible “government” in Louisiana at both state and New Orleans level thanks to Katrina.
Now the Democrats OWN the Federal Governement. Now Obama can do little wrong and why, pray tell, was ACORN never involved in the census before Obama, community organizer extraordinaire, became president? Could it be that the Census Beurea was authorized by Congress to conduct the Census, not the White House?[Link: www.census.gov…]

757 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:52:17pm

re: #749 capitalist piglet

Have you seen this?

Good news: White House is crawling with flies

Time for the POTUS to get busy. Finally, a job I trust him with.

Michelle - have the staff hang ziploc sandwich bags of water near all the windows.

It confuses the flies (and Joe Biden).

758 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:52:56pm

re: #732 Walter L. Newton

Walt, that avatar photo of yours looks a bit closer to the mark. On the other hand it looks more like one or another of the clankbirds and dry pool diving team members that used to hang around here (for a short while).

759 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:53:09pm

re: #756 realwest

the Voice of Reason has arrived

760 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:53:58pm

re: #744 razorbacker

Wonder how a census taker would deal with a deaf, dumb and blind boy?

Who plays a mean pinball.

Nytol.

He swear he “won’t get fooled again.” And when his supervisor’s replacement arrives (replacing someone indited for voter fraud) he hears: “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

761 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:53:59pm
762 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:54:18pm

re: #756 realwest

why, pray tell, was ACORN never involved in the census before Obama, community organizer extraordinaire, became president? Could it be that the Census Beurea was authorized by Congress to conduct the Census, not the White House?


Now you should know you’re not supposed to bring that up.
Hope.
Change.
Yes we can.

763 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:54:34pm

re: #756 realwest

RW … so … you a shitbird or not? …

764 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:54:35pm

re: #756 realwest

Short answer—“I won”.

765 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:55:14pm

re: #732 Walter L. Newton

WTF?

766 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:55:20pm

re: #763 JacksonTn

RW … so … you a shitbird or not? …

“Today, we are all shitbirds.”

Nomination for rotating title, perhaps?

767 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:55:27pm
768 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:55:31pm

there is just something so strange and unbecoming abt. the president of the united states getting lauded by everyone in the msm for killing a fly.
he would get applauded for stepping in a wad of gum on the side walk.
the guy is sooooo perfect. lol
this is going to get old soon.
it is getting boring.

769 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:55:41pm
770 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:55:58pm

re: #766 iceweasel

“Today, we are all shitbirds.”

Nomination for rotating title, perhaps?

IW … No …

771 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:56:23pm

re: #767 taxfreekiller

Is there a way we can get ms obama an account here , then we could teach her how to fat check.

Don’t be a playa h8r!

/

772 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:56:42pm

re: #759 Shug
Why thank you Shug! How are you doing tonight?

773 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:57:15pm

re: #769 taxfreekiller

fact

check

774 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:57:35pm

re: #768 nyc redneck

he would get applauded for stepping in a wad of gum on the side walk.

When he first moved into the White House there was a video clip of him trying to get back into the house from the Rose Garden by trying to open a door to walk through till he realized it was a window.

That was pretty funny.

775 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:57:35pm

re: #773 Shug

check

mate

776 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:57:37pm

re: #766 iceweasel

“Today, we are all shitbirds.”

Nomination for rotating title, perhaps?

“Ich bin ein shitbird.”

777 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:57:45pm

New Poll: Is RealWest a shitbird or no?

()Shitbird
()Not a Shitbird
()Present
() Fricken Rooster Shitbird!

778 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:57:46pm

re: #763 JacksonTn
Tell me what you mean by “Shitbird”.

779 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:57:52pm

re: #772 realwest

Why thank you Shug! How are you doing tonight?

Pretty great. How are you?
Hope you are feeling well tonight

780 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:58:05pm

re: #775 Walter L. Newton

mate

Damnit.

Lost again

781 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:58:21pm

re: #764 irongrampa
Equally short answer: America Lost.

782 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:58:35pm

re: #777 BigPapa

New Poll: Is RealWest a shitbird or no?

()Shitbird
()Not a Shitbird
()Present
() Fricken Rooster Shitbird!


Ron Paul !

783 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:58:37pm

re: #773 Shug

check

We could try to teach her, but she wouldn’t learn,

784 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:58:47pm

re: #774 Mich-again

When he first moved into the White House there was a video clip of him trying to get back into the house from the Rose Garden by trying to open a door to walk through till he realized it was a window.

That was pretty funny.

imagine if that had been pres. bush

785 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:58:54pm

re: #770 JacksonTn

IW … No …

It’s a joke. Lighten up.

BTW, I saw earlier that it was your son’s birthday, I think? Congratulations; I hope you had a great dinner.
(if I’m thinking of someone else, forgive me)

786 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:58:57pm

re: #778 realwest

Tell me what you mean by “Shitbird”.

RW … well, from what I can tell … you are not one … but I did not define the term …

787 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:59:24pm

re: #777 BigPapa

New Poll: Is RealWest a shitbird or no?

()Shitbird
()Not a Shitbird
()Present
() Fricken HONCO Rooster Shitbird!

788 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 8:59:56pm

re: #782 Shug

Ron Paul !

I thought it…

789 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:00:05pm

re: #786 JacksonTn Then kindly tell me who did?

790 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:00:08pm

re: #785 iceweasel

It’s a joke. Lighten up.

BTW, I saw earlier that it was your son’s birthday, I think? Congratulations; I hope you had a great dinner.
(if I’m thinking of someone else, forgive me)

IW … hahahahaha .. oh, a joke …

/you still never answered if you knew the whole history of ACORN …

791 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:00:13pm

re: #786 JacksonTn

RW … well, from what I can tell … you are not one … but I did not define the term …

It sounds better in French… oiseau de merde.

792 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:00:39pm

re: #789 realwest

Remember gymnast?

793 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:00:51pm

re: #782 Shug

Ron Paul !

Dammit, I knew I was missing one poll choice. My bad.

794 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:00:56pm
795 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:00:58pm

re: #789 realwest

Then kindly tell me who did?

RW … gymnast …

796 gymnast  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:01:01pm

re: #763 JacksonTn

Realwest is not a shitbird (and he has a whole lot of seniority around here).

797 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:01:14pm

re: #776 capitalist piglet

“Ich bin ein shitbird.”

Unfortunately, in Berlin it appears that “shitbird” is local slang for a kind of jelly donut. :(

(Yes, I know the story about JFK is an urban legend, BTW)

798 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:01:19pm

Cripes. Speaking of flys and bugs. What’s the best way to get rid of moths?

799 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:01:40pm

re: #791 Walter L. Newton

It sounds better in French… oiseau de merde.

WLN … oh, baby …

800 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:01:50pm

re: #796 gymnast

Realwest is not a shitbird (and he has a whole lot of seniority around here).

I want a list.

801 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:01:58pm

Sing a song of sixpence,
A bottle full of rye.
Four and twenty shitbirds
Baked in a pie.

802 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:02:01pm

re: #798 Gus 802

Cripes. Speaking of flys and bugs. What’s the best way to get rid of moths?

pardon moi for stating the obvious, but … mothballs!

803 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:02:01pm

re: #792 J.D. Sure I remember gymnast - why? Did she define “shitbird” and if so how did gymnast define it?

804 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:02:28pm

re: #784 nyc redneck

imagine if that had been pres. bush

It would have been part of the video montage for the lead-in for every MSM news show on the dial. The image of Bush trying to pull open the window might have even replaced the NBC Peacock.

805 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:02:35pm

re: #796 gymnast

Realwest is not a shitbird (and he has a whole lot of seniority around here).

gymnast … I know realwest and I do know he is not a shitbird as per your definition …

806 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:02:41pm

re: #798 Gus 802

Cripes. Speaking of flys and bugs. What’s the best way to get rid of moths?

cedar closet or cedar trunk.

807 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:02:51pm

George Galloway says WE ARE ALL SHITBIRDS

808 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:04pm

re: #798 Gus 802

Kill the shitbirds!

809 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:06pm

re: #803 realwest

Sure I remember gymnast - why? Did she define “shitbird” and if so how did gymnast define it?

I shall scroll up…
and get back to you.

810 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:15pm

re: #798 Gus 802

Cripes. Speaking of flys and bugs. What’s the best way to get rid of moths?

Gus, you know the miller moths come out this time every year. I suggest that you do what a lot of people do in Colorado, find a good way to BBQ them :)

811 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:17pm

re: #806 nyc redneck

cedar closet or cedar trunk.

Do moth balls work?

812 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:26pm

re: #796 gymnast
Never mind, I’ll ask you - what did you define a “shitbird” as?

813 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:37pm

re: #798 Gus 802

Cripes. Speaking of flys and bugs. What’s the best way to get rid of moths?


H Bomb

814 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:43pm

re: #798 Gus 802

Cripes. Speaking of flys and bugs. What’s the best way to get rid of moths?

Bug zapper, or a bunch of cats on barstools. Bug zapper, more effective. Cats, more fun.

815 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:45pm

re: #810 Walter L. Newton

Gus, you know the miller moths come out this time every year. I suggest that you do what a lot of people do in Colorado, find a good way to BBQ them :)

OK, I was thinking about that too. So, I needn’t worry?

816 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:03:58pm

Remember Alfred Hitchcock’s classic film. The Shitbirds. One of my favorite scary movies of all time.

817 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:04:11pm
818 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:04:28pm

re: #811 Gus 802

Do moth balls work?

When aroused.

819 Shug  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:04:31pm

re: #816 Mich-again

Remember Alfred Hitchcock’s classic film. The Shitbirds. One of my favorite scary movies of all time.

Reminds more of the bird scene in “High Anxiety”

820 irongrampa  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:04:39pm

re: #798 Gus 802

Nuke ‘em from orbit-it’s the only way to be sure.

821 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:04:39pm

Galloway is a Turdadactyl.

822 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:04:43pm

{real}
It all began here.

823 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:04:46pm

re: #811 Gus 802

Do moth balls work?

Unless there’s a moth vasectomy.

824 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:04:47pm

re: #804 Mich-again

It would have been part of the video montage for the lead-in for every MSM news show on the dial. The image of Bush trying to pull open the window might have even replaced the NBC Peacock.

and w/ o it is played off as a light hearted funny moment, if it was mentioned at all.

825 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:05:03pm

re: #817 taxfreekiller

BIG SHIT BIRDS RUN THE HOUSE AND SENATE

OK, then that means I ain’t a shitbird, big or small cause I don’t run anything.

826 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:05:15pm

re: #814 BigPapa

Bug zapper, or a bunch of cats on barstools. Bug zapper, more effective. Cats, more fun.

I’d have to get a virtual cat. No pets allowed. ;) I like the way cats hunt moths though.

827 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:05:15pm

re: #811 Gus 802

Do moth balls work?

Gus, are you talking about the standard miller moth invasion we have every year, or the “eat you clothes” type of moths.

828 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:05:42pm

re: #811 Gus 802

Do moth balls work?

yes, but some people don’t like the smell.

829 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:06:16pm

re: #815 Gus 802

OK, I was thinking about that too. So, I needn’t worry?

No, no worry if they are big moths, like…

[Link: www.coopext.colostate.edu…]

This is a common yearly invasion, some years worst than others. They are more annoying than anything.

830 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:06:22pm

re: #819 Shug

I think Bill Kennedy used to show “The Birds” every so often. If you remember Bill Kennedy then you probably remember Rita Bell, Sir Graves Ghastly, and Bob Allison too. ha.

831 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:06:24pm

re: #827 Walter L. Newton

Gus, are you talking about the standard miller moth invasion we have every year, or the “eat you clothes” type of moths.

WLN … I adored my grandma but I can still smell her house … mothballs everywhere … ewwwww …

832 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:06:26pm

re: #766 iceweasel

“Today, we are all shitbirds.”

Nomination for rotating title, perhaps?

Mr. Gorbachev, uncage that shitbird!

833 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:06:39pm

re: #827 Walter L. Newton

Gus, are you talking about the standard miller moth invasion we have every year, or the “eat you clothes” type of moths.

Just saw one about a week ago. Haven’t seen any evidence of eating clothing. Just got paranoid because I just saw a smaller version and it looks “brand new.” Now I’m wondering if they’re breeding somewhere.

834 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:07:15pm

re: #829 Walter L. Newton

No, no worry if they are big moths, like…

[Link: www.coopext.colostate.edu…]

This is a common yearly invasion, some years worst than others. They are more annoying than anything.

That’s the one. But like I said, just saw a tiny brand new moth.

835 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:07:27pm

re: #822 J.D. Ah well then, I have no freakin’ clue as to what a shitbird is, but I can agree that there are a lot of new people here, most of whom would at least appear to be on the left or “liberal” side of the political spectrum. Moderate Moonbats you might call ‘em.
:)

836 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:08:14pm

re: #803 realwest

Sure I remember gymnast - why? Did she define “shitbird” and if so how did gymnast define it?

did we get a definition?
what ever it is, i know i am not one but i do want the t-shirt.

837 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:08:18pm

re: #826 Gus 802

I’d have to get a virtual cat. No pets allowed. ;) I like the way cats hunt moths though.

Are miller moths harmful? The caterpillar stage of the army cutworm is sometimes an important pest for crops in spring. However, the adult-miller stage is primarily a nuisance—albeit a considerable nuisance at times. Moths in the home do not feed or lay eggs. During the migratory flights, the moths do not produce or lay eggs. Furthermore, the caterpillar stage would not survive on household furnishings or other foods in the home.

838 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:08:46pm

I have only one thing to say - not having read the other posts above, I apologize if this has been covered. The Constitution states:

“Representation and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers … . The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.”

— Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution of the United States

Enumeration - to count.

The proposed questions for the 2010 Census are here:

Questions Planned for 2010 Census

Section B of this document is entitled: 2010 Census. It includes these questions: Age, Gender, Hispanic Origin, Race, Relationship, Tenure, and Administrative Questions. We can argue the difference, or lack thereof, between Hispanic Origin and Race, but set that aside for a moment.

Section C of this document is entitled: American Community Survey. This section contains all of the questions that we find intrusive.

The Constitution calls for a census. That is covered in Section B. The Constitution does not call for an “American Community Survey.”

Answer the census questions. Tell the government to fuck off on the “American Community Survey” questions. They are intrusive, and not called for to determine “enumeration” under the Constitution.

And, in case someone wants to make the argument that these may be called for under the U.S. Code, may I remind them that - at one time - under Dred Scott - but you take my point.

839 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:09:11pm

re: #800 OldLineTexan

I want a list.

I have here in my hand a list of shitbirds….

“Are you now, or have you ever been, a shitbird?”

:)

840 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:09:11pm

re: #835 realwest

Moderate Moonbats you might call ‘em.

Now that’s diplomatic!

And that’s good.

841 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:09:26pm

re: #834 Gus 802

That’s the one. But like I said, just saw a tiny brand new moth.

Right. Well they are brand new, about 3 weeks old. They are just a pain, not harmful… see…

Are miller moths harmful? The caterpillar stage of the army cutworm is sometimes an important pest for crops in spring. However, the adult-miller stage is primarily a nuisance—albeit a considerable nuisance at times. Moths in the home do not feed or lay eggs. During the migratory flights, the moths do not produce or lay eggs. Furthermore, the caterpillar stage would not survive on household furnishings or other foods in the home.

[Link: www.coopext.colostate.edu…]

842 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:09:48pm

re: #837 Walter L. Newton

Are miller moths harmful? The caterpillar stage of the army cutworm is sometimes an important pest for crops in spring. However, the adult-miller stage is primarily a nuisance—albeit a considerable nuisance at times. Moths in the home do not feed or lay eggs. During the migratory flights, the moths do not produce or lay eggs. Furthermore, the caterpillar stage would not survive on household furnishings or other foods in the home.

Thanks. I guess I should just start smacking these when I see them. Just in case.

843 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:10:31pm

re: #842 Gus 802

Thanks. I guess I should just start smacking these when I see them. Just in case.

I see PETA in your future.

844 VioletTiger  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:10:43pm

re: #833 Gus 802

Just saw one about a week ago. Haven’t seen any evidence of eating clothing. Just got paranoid because I just saw a smaller version and it looks “brand new.” Now I’m wondering if they’re breeding somewhere.


They can be pantry moths. Had those this past winter and ended up throwing out a lot of food.

845 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:11:01pm

re: #843 J.D.

I see PETA in your future.

Murder by numbers!

/Moth murder that is. ;)

846 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:11:16pm

re: #831 JacksonTn

WLN … I adored my grandma but I can still smell her house … mothballs everywhere … ewwwww …

As I have been posting, these moths (miller moths) are a yearly migration from East Colorado to the west (Rocky Mountains) and they don’t feed in homes or on clothing, they are crop eaters in the eastern plains as a caterpillar and then as a moth, they are headed for the hills looking for cooler climates and nectar.

847 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:11:22pm

re: #832 ShanghaiEd

Mr. Gorbachev, uncage that shitbird!

Read my lips, no new Shitbirds.

848 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:12:11pm
849 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:12:12pm

re: #846 Walter L. Newton

As I have been posting, these moths (miller moths) are a yearly migration from East Colorado to the west (Rocky Mountains) and they don’t feed in homes or on clothing, they are crop eaters in the eastern plains as a caterpillar and then as a moth, they are headed for the hills looking for cooler climates and nectar.

WLN … crop eaters? … oh, man … now I really hate them … what crops do they eat? …

850 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:12:24pm

re: #842 Gus 802

Thanks. I guess I should just start smacking these when I see them. Just in case.

invite o over for a swatting fest.
it is one thing he seems to excel at .

851 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:12:41pm

re: #844 VioletTiger

They can be pantry moths. Had those this past winter and ended up throwing out a lot of food.

Not much in my pantries.

852 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:13:40pm

re: #849 JacksonTn

WLN … crop eaters? … oh, man … now I really hate them … what crops do they eat? …

The army cutworm has an unusual life history. Eggs are laid by the moths in late summer and early fall. Most eggs are laid in weedy areas of wheat fields, alfalfa fields, or other areas where vegetation is thick—including turfgrass. Eggs hatch within a few weeks and the young caterpillars begin to feed. Army cutworm has a wide range of plants on which it feeds. It prefers broadleaf plants but will also feed on grasses.

[Link: www.ext.colostate.edu…]

853 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:14:16pm

re: #850 nyc redneck

invite o over for a swatting fest.
it is one thing he seems to excel at .

Swatter in Chief (SIC) /

Look! A Biden Fly!

/

854 Lynn B.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:14:47pm

re: #756 realwest

My how times have changed. Used to be that cBS was a dirty word around here - what with Dan Rather, Mary Mapes, 60 Minutes all involved in trying to throw the election to John Kerry and were stopped dead in their tracks by our own Charles. Now they apparently are an indisputable source of evidence.

Hardly. The original story was from the Washington Times. You know, that LLL mouthpiece? //

Some half literate blogger at CBS linked and mangled it a bit is all.

855 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:14:59pm

re: #852 Walter L. Newton

The army cutworm has an unusual life history. Eggs are laid by the moths in late summer and early fall. Most eggs are laid in weedy areas of wheat fields, alfalfa fields, or other areas where vegetation is thick—including turfgrass. Eggs hatch within a few weeks and the young caterpillars begin to feed. Army cutworm has a wide range of plants on which it feeds. It prefers broadleaf plants but will also feed on grasses.

[Link: www.ext.colostate.edu…]

WLN … thanks … I don’t think we have ever had a problem with them on our farms … but we spray all the time … for almost anything that is out there …

856 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:15:01pm

re: #851 Gus 802

Not much in my pantries.

These suckers in Colorado get really big, I mean, like small bird size some times. Like about the size of a finch.

857 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:16:19pm

re: #856 Walter L. Newton

These suckers in Colorado get really big, I mean, like small bird size some times. Like about the size of a finch.

Wasn’t it a couple of years ago that we have a huge infestation? Seemed like they were all over the place flying around at intersections sometimes for the headlights.

858 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:16:19pm

re: #836 nyc redneck

did we get a definition?
what ever it is, i know i am not one but i do want the t-shirt.

“Ask not for whom the shitbirdshirt tolls; it tolls for thee…”

859 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:17:24pm

re: #847 Flyers1974

re: #832 ShanghaiEd

You are both cracking me up!

860 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:17:40pm

re: #838 subsailor68
Excellent comment sub! But y’all ought to read the history of the US Census.
Folks have been worried over the Census for a long time because, although authorized by a specific law of the U.S. Congress to be conducted by the Census Bureau,Decennial U.S. Census figures are based on actual counts of persons dwelling in U.S. residential structures. They include citizens, non-citizen legal residents, non-citizen long-term visitors and illegal immigrants. The Census Bureau uses special procedures to ensure that those without conventional housing are counted; however, data from these operations are not considered as accurate as data obtained from traditional procedures.[3] The practice of including non-citizens in the official census figures is controversial because the census is used for the apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives, and derived from that, of electors to the Electoral College. The Census also employs the practice of using hot deck imputation to assign data to housing units where occupation status is unknown. This practice has effects across many areas, but is seen by some as controversial because it may increase representation for reliably Democratic districts. However, the practice was ruled constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in Utah v. Evans. Groups like the Prison Policy Initiative assert that the census practice of counting prisoners as residents of prisons, not their pre-incarceration addresses, leads to misleading information about racial demographics and population numbers.[4]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
the results are used to allocate Congressional seats (congressional apportionment), electoral votes, and government program funding.[2] Some states or local jurisdictions also conduct local censuses.
That’s why folks wonder wtf the WH is doing involved in the Census and why ACORN is involved at all.

861 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:17:53pm

Well, to bed, have a busy weekend coming up at the theatre. Last year this time we were doing a Jewish family comedy, this year, it’s an Italian family comedy, with most of the Jewish actors from last years cast. That in itself is kind of funny.

Weet Dreams, and don’t let the millar moths bite (Gus, I was kidding, they don’t bite).

862 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:18:10pm

OMG Looks at this 12 second video.

Miller Moth Swarm Attack!

Youtube Video
863 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:18:20pm

re: #860 realwest

RW … exactly … advance play ..

864 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:18:28pm

re: #859 iceweasel

re: #832 ShanghaiEd

You are both cracking me up!

Says the one who started it…

865 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:18:29pm

re: #861 Walter L. Newton

Well, to bed, have a busy weekend coming up at the theatre. Last year this time we were doing a Jewish family comedy, this year, it’s an Italian family comedy, with most of the Jewish actors from last years cast. That in itself is kind of funny.

Weet Dreams, and don’t let the millar moths bite (Gus, I was kidding, they don’t bite).

I know.

Later Walter.

866 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:18:50pm

re: #857 Gus 802

Wasn’t it a couple of years ago that we have a huge infestation? Seemed like they were all over the place flying around at intersections sometimes for the headlights.

Yep, every few years we get more than usual. Something about the birth and migration patterns, like locust.

Really, to bed.

867 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:19:01pm

re: #840 J.D.
Thanks, but I can’t take credit for it - I stole it from a comment by zombie about a year ago or so.

868 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:19:22pm

re: #858 ShanghaiEd

“Ask not for whom the shitbirdshirt tolls; it tolls for thee…”

‘I wandered lonely as a shitbird
That floats on high o’er vales and hills….

869 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:19:29pm

re: #859 iceweasel

I’m an amateur compared to Shaighai Ed. By the way Shaighai, how did you get your nickname?

870 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:20:06pm

re: #854 Lynn B.

Which one was this thread linked to?
Washington Times or CBS Blogger. I’m confused, but it is late>

871 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:20:18pm

re: #867 realwest

How are you today, anyway?

872 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:21:03pm
873 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:21:15pm

re: #867 realwest

Thanks, but I can’t take credit for it - I stole it from a comment by zombie about a year ago or so.

Well… it’s still good.

874 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:21:45pm
875 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:22:45pm

re: #854 Lynn B. Ah, sorry. See it’s a habit of mine to use the link Charles provides in his thread as my taking off point. Who else did or maybe did or didn’t say to someone else doesn’t matter - Charles linked to CBS so I raid that point in my #756.

876 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:23:04pm
877 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:23:33pm

re: #860 realwest

Hi RW! I really hope you and your mom are doing well - and will continue to do so for a really, really long time!

Thanks for your comment - and the analytical background! Just one question (not for you, but for those who wrote the Wiki entry):

Just where does a question on Fertility figure into that enumeration? As in, “has this person given birth to any children in the last 12 months?”

And “this person” relates to the question asked earlier about spouse.

Once I say, there are 4 people living in my house, I’m damn done!

878 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:24:32pm

re: #869 Flyers1974

I’m an amateur compared to Shaighai Ed. By the way Shaighai, how did you get your nickname?

I’d like to know that too. We know he’s a literary sort; I recognise the last line of the Great Gatsby as his tagline. Ed, come enlighten us!

879 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:25:01pm

re: #870 1SG(ret)
Hey Top - good to see you my friend! It is indeed late and I, are at least, old!

880 Lynn B.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:26:52pm

re: #870 1SG(ret)

Which one was this thread linked to?
Washington Times or CBS Blogger. I’m confused, but it is late>

The thread was linked to the CBS blogger. But the CBS blogger linked to (and mostly “copied” (badly) the WaTimes story.

/who’s on first?

881 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:26:52pm

re: #875 realwest

You answered my #870. So the thread is on the CBS version!

Hope you are feeling Ok my friend!

882 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:27:02pm

re: #871 J.D.
Well I’m exhausted and stressed out to the MAX over personal matters, thank you kindly!
How the heck are you doing {J.D.}?

883 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:27:58pm

re: #869 Flyers1974

I’m an amateur compared to Shaighai Ed. By the way Shaighai, how did you get your nickname?

You’re very kind. I was always intrigued by how a city could change from a noun to a verb through circumstance. Then I was reading a news story earlier this year about the threat of pirate attacks, mulled a bit on what current events and the economy had done to me/us lately, and the name just seemed to fit.

How did Flyers and Ice come to be, pray tell?

884 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:29:29pm

re: #882 realwest

Well I’m exhausted and stressed out to the MAX over personal matters, thank you kindly!
How the heck are you doing {J.D.}?

Well, I am doing quite well, actually.
I had a bone scan today and I am good!

I was laying there with this big machine travelling over me wondering…
why isn’t this free?

/

I take it back. I was actually thinking how far we have come in preventive medicine and wondering why some people seem to think it should be at no cost.

Spoiled, I think.

885 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:29:55pm

re: #882 realwest

Your mom OK?

886 JacksonTn  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:30:50pm

re: #884 J.D.

J.D. you are brave .. of all the tests I ever had … the bone scan was the most uncomfortable … it took forever and I was wrapped up like a mummy … I hope yours was better … and hope you are well …

887 swamprat  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:31:25pm

re: #294 Sabnen

Interesting to see how the census has changed from 14 questions in 1840 to 46 questions now (2008). What will it look like after another 10 iterations? It looks like they add 2 or 3 questions each decade and rarely toss an old question.

They justify many of the questions as having ’ … been asked ever since 1940’ or 1890 or whatever year and they don’t want to throw it out … I’d guess it is for trend data.

I know the Constitution says every American is to be counted every 10 years, but this could be done more accurately, with sampling, at 1/100th of what it is budgeted cost this decade.

I would like to see a timeline of the various penalties over the years correlated to the different questions.

888 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:31:39pm

re: #883 ShanghaiEd

I had to come up with a username fast. Flyers were my favorite sports team and won their first cup and first cup by an expansion team in 1974.

889 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:34:45pm

re: #881 1SG(ret)
Well as I told J.D. in #882, not as well as I’d like to be.
But ya know it’s really weird. John McCain is talking these days the way HE SHOULDA been talking during the Campaign.
And yes, I am offended not so much by President Obama’s “apology tour” as I am by his lack of utterances of matters of equal if not greater import: That the United States of America, has spent more lives, more money and used it’s influence to help people gain or regain their Freedom and democratic way of government than any other nation in the history of the World - yes, it’s true, you could look it up!
And as Charles and numerous LGFers have covered, we see tragedy unfolding in Iran. We see innocent and unarmed people being shot and physically, brutally assaulted in Teheran by the Iranian government and we say………………not a fucking thing. NOTHING.
And that DOES PISS ME OFF.

890 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:35:08pm

re: #886 JacksonTn

Thanks!

Things have come a long way, then…
This machine never touched me… she said it uses low-dose radiation… the results were instantaneous… it couldn’t have been easier! I hope that eases your mind when you need another one. It sounds as though things truly have come a long way from what you describe!

891 Sambo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:37:05pm

re: #868 iceweasel

“Ladies and gentlemen, uh, we’ve just lost the picture, but what we’ve seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has apparently been taken over-‘conquered,’ if you will-by a master race of giant space ants shitbirds. It’s difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive Earthmen or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain; there is no stopping them; the ants shitbirds will soon be here. And I, for one welcome our new insect shitbird overlords. I’d like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.”

892 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:38:05pm

re: #885 J.D.
Well she was diagnosed a year or so ago at age 84 as a type II diabetic so that has taken it’s toll - although she has done a mighty fine job of controlling her blood sugar through diet and exercise. But now her doc has found other interesting things - maybe a “micro mini” stroke (?!) and that her doctor is worried about Mom having a heart attack. So you COULD say I’m a little on edge here!
Glad bone scan was great, btw!

893 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:38:08pm

re: #889 realwest

Me and thee.

894 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:39:52pm

re: #893 J.D.
Well at least that’s two of us!

895 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:41:23pm

re: #892 realwest

I’ve known several people who had those strokes and are now doing pretty well. My mother in law, who happens to be 84, had one last year and lost her peripheral vision. Not a good thing, but she has learned to compensate. My best to your mom. They’re somewhat fragile, aren’t they, at 84?

896 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:42:23pm

re: #895 J.D.
Yep fragile and - in some cases - cantankerous as hell!
LOL!

897 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:43:15pm

re: #896 realwest

Yep fragile and - in some cases - cantankerous as hell!
LOL!

I hear ya! ~LOL~

898 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:44:12pm

re: #891 Sambo

Thank you, Mr. Brockman.

899 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:44:29pm

Well all, off to bed, as soon as my blood pressure re the census drops to a more calm and serene level. I hope everyone here has a wonderful evening.

900 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:44:35pm

re: #891 Sambo

Almost crying with laughter here……. ! That may be my favourite Simpsons moment EVER!

901 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:44:57pm

re: #889 realwest

John Kerry went Cato on us.

We’re not supposed to say anything cuz we may cause the Iranians thugs to use us as an excuse for thuggery.

As if, we take that away from them, they have no excuse for thuggery, so, they might no be so thuggy… did I understand it correctly?

He’s the Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee. Wow.

902 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:45:01pm

Nite subsailor.

903 Lynn B.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:46:08pm

re: #875 realwest

Ah, sorry. See it’s a habit of mine to use the link Charles provides in his thread as my taking off point. Who else did or maybe did or didn’t say to someone else doesn’t matter - Charles linked to CBS so I raid that point in my #756.

Why don’t you just listen to Bachmann in her own words then? The audiotape is available at the link I posted above. Here it is again.
[Link: washingtontimes.com…]

And I take back what I said in #612 above. The written WashTimes story did make her sound a little less nutty. Listening to her whole radio interview, though, I’d say takes it back the other way. Even nuttier.

/and that’s it for tonight, as it’s this shitbird’s bedtime.

904 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:46:09pm

re: #897 J.D. Yeah but for all that, she’s the one who was watching that bastion of bullshit (around here, anyway) Fox News and came out with that insight that I mentioned in #889!
She was a child who grew up through the “Great Depression” and is tough as nails mentally; shame to see her going through such rough economic times again.

905 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:46:14pm

re: #898 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, Mr. Brockman.


“I’d like to reaffirm my allegiance to this country and this radio station and its human overlords… (muttering:) For now.”

/brockman

906 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:46:24pm

re: #889 realwest

Couldn’t have said it better. Except that most everything he does Pisses me off, but I’m one of the nasty cons we hear so much about around here, so what I think doesn’t matter much!

Hope you and MOM feel better soon and will try to get an email out to you in the morning!

Must turn in: Top out

907 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:46:33pm

re: #901 BigPapa

He’s the Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee. Wow.


That blew me away.
How ridiculous is that?

908 Sambo  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:48:22pm

re: #900 iceweasel

Glad you enjoyed it. Here’s a link (warning: video) to a clip of the Kent Brockman scene from hulu.com:

[Link: tinyurl.com…]

909 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:50:54pm

re: #901 BigPapa
Hi there BigPapa - so that’s why I got so few dings on that comment of mine!
Well fuck ‘em. I don’t see how our words are gonna worsen the situation in Iran - and, apparently neither did the leaders of France (France?!) Germany, Great Britain or, to a lesser extent, the EU.
How does it hurt our image in the world to strongly stand up and say YES WE BELIEVE IN FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY and totally and completey view the comtemptible actions of the Iranian government towards it’s own people WITH GREAT DISTASTE.

910 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:52:00pm

re: #904 realwest
I hope so, too.
She sounds like a super lady!

And your back… feeling better?

911 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:52:34pm

1SG(ret), g’nite.

912 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:52:36pm

re: #906 1SG(ret)
Good night Top - I’ll look for your e-mail first thing tomorrow! Sleep well my friend.

913 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:54:12pm

re: #910 J.D.
Yeah, LOL! With all the stress I thought for sure my back was gonna go on me again, but it just seems to get better anyway! Thanks.

914 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:54:54pm

re: #907 J.D.

That blew me away.
How ridiculous is that?

We can’t escape the reality that for reformers in Tehran to have any hope for success, Iran’s election must be about Iran — not America. And if the street protests of the last days have taught us anything, it is that this is an Iranian moment, not an American one.

Blows me away. Somehow, expressing support for a truly honest democratic process in Iran, for Iranians, somehow is about America according to John Kerry.

What about the ‘Citizen of the World’ statements from Obama?

John Kerry is truly an ass.

915 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:55:34pm

re: #913 realwest

Well, good!
Go figure…
You must be living right!

916 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:56:06pm

re: #914 BigPapa
“John Kerry is truly an ass.” Upding for that one, but I sure wish that’s ALL he was!

917 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:56:28pm

re: #883 ShanghaiEd

Interesting— I don’t have a very good story for my nic. Like Flyers I had to come up with one fast. In my case since I love Matt Groening, creator of the Simpsons, I immediately thought of a quote from his much earlier print comic strip, Life in Hell:

“Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra when suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the iceweasels come.”

Not that I’m a cynic or anything. *cough*

i wonder how many other nouns there are that become verbs? There must be many, right? Fax, for one…Xerox. lots.

918 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:57:42pm

re: #914 BigPapa

John Kerry is truly an ass.


Ding!
Truer words were never spoken.

919 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 9:58:02pm

re: #915 J.D. Thank you kindly {J.D.} - must just be that I like to fight discuss such matters as have been discussed out on LGF again.
Who the hell said we were an “echo chamber”?! LOL!

920 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:01:16pm

re: #912 realwest
ADDENDUM: And what you say means a lot to me; you’ve risked your life for this nation on countless occasions and in many locales, suffered and paid a price for it too steep, I think, for non-vets to truly comprehend, and what you say and think does mean a lot to me.

921 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:01:19pm

re: #919 realwest

Who the hell said we were an “echo chamber”?! LOL!


Hey, in actuality that is one of the kinder things that’s been said about us… ya know…

922 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:03:12pm

re: #921 J.D. Is it really? I don’t know, some folks here seem to truly enjoy going to places that hate Charles and hate US. Me, I don’t really care if they don’t like me very much so I don’t go to those places very much.

923 realwest  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:05:29pm

Well it’s been more interesting and educational than usual out here - and that’s saying a lot about LGF,
but I gotta get to sleep now.
Hope you all have a great evening and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

Goodnight, all.

924 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:06:24pm

re: #922 realwest

I don’t go there, either.
Couldn’t care less.
*shrug*

925 J.D.  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:06:40pm

Nite {real}.

926 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:06:51pm

re: #923 realwest

Goodnight RW! Upding… just because.

927 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:08:18pm

re: #917 iceweasel

“Life in Hell.” Neat! I used to love that strip in the alt weeklies. Long live Groening…

I didn’t realize until I did a Google search just now that there’s an Iceweasel browser. Very evocative name, in any event.

Yeah, more than a few nouns have become verbs, especially in recent years. Can’t think offhand of any other place names that have, though. I’m sure one will come to me…

928 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:08:48pm

re: #923 realwest

Goodnight, real. Stay healthy.

929 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:09:24pm

re: #922 realwest

Is it really? I don’t know, some folks here seem to truly enjoy going to places that hate Charles and hate US. Me, I don’t really care if they don’t like me very much so I don’t go to those places very much.

As an outsider, I can say that I finally visited one of the ‘stalker’ blogs today because people had been talking about it—

They’re not well people. It goes beyond normal trolling and normal internet fighting. Some of them strike me as mentally ill.

That being said, I don’t understand why anyone would give them any attention at all….but if you know you’re on the receiving end of that kind of hate, I imagine it would be hard not to look, and sometimes strike back. IMO.

930 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:10:00pm
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Bachmann may be in trouble if she fails to fill out the entire census. Spokeswoman Shelly Lowe told the Washington Times that anyone over the age of 18 must fill out all the questions and any such person who refuses to answer “any of the questions” faces a $5,000 fine.

I am, like, totally confused.

Filling out a census form? When does that ever actually happen to anyone? In my entire life, I have never filled out, seen, heard of, or been aware of any census forms. Nor has anyone ever mentioned them to me.

Has anyone here ever done a census form? If so: Where did you get it? How did you find out about it? And more importantly: Why did you get it/fill it out?

931 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:10:22pm

re: #923 realwest

Goodnight RW, take care!

932 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:11:37pm

I think it’s one form per household. I’ve never filled one out.

Maybe she could tell her husband to fill it out and we can all settle down LOL.

933 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:13:13pm

re: #10 mattb

I did that very thing last census.

Just answered a couple of questions about how many people lived at my address.

I did not answer the race question as I don’t think it should matter to the government.

By what means did a census form (or whatever it’s called) come into your possession? Where do they come from?

Are you serious — they ask about race? You’ve got to be kidding me. Isn’t it illegal to do that?

I must be seriously out of the loop.

934 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:15:14pm

re: #933 zombie

By what means did a census form (or whatever it’s called) come into your possession? Where do they come from?

Are you serious — they ask about race? You’ve got to be kidding me. Isn’t it illegal to do that?

I must be seriously out of the loop.

I haven’t even filled one out either, but that’s because I was still living with my parents in 2000. i live by myself know and fully expect that will also be the case in 2010.

935 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:15:34pm

re: #934 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t even filled one out either, but that’s because I was still living with my parents in 2000. I live by myself now and fully expect that will also be the case in 2010.

PIMF

936 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:15:41pm

Most of the questions are benign. The race based questions open up a big can of worms.

937 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:15:50pm

re: #19 Right mind left

I heard it asks all kinds of questions about income, number of TV’s and stuff like that in addition to the race/gender questions. It will be really frustrating if that is the case that if it is not complete you pay a fine or worse.

I do know they are GPS locating every house, they seemed upset that I stopped them at the driveway, they said they were supposed to ping at the front door.

Are you talking about America?

You’re freaking me out. Please tell me you’re pulling my leg or something.

938 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:16:20pm

re: #927 ShanghaiEd

Exactly, I read Life in Hell in my local alt weekly ages ago….I didn’t realise “iceweasel” was the name of a browser til someone here asked me if that was where my nic was from! I gather its the Linux version of firefox or something.

This is one good example of the way language has to adopt for communities, btw. I’ve noticed before that there are terms and slang and cultural references that are very common on the left/prog-o-sphere that seem to be unknown in the right, and even on a place like this.

It’s a very different netculture, the left and the right. I constantly have to ‘translate’ my normal references when I’m here into something else. It’s interesting.

939 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:17:58pm

re: #933 zombie

By what means did a census form (or whatever it’s called) come into your possession? Where do they come from?

Are you serious — they ask about race? You’ve got to be kidding me. Isn’t it illegal to do that?

I must be seriously out of the loop.

Where I was they mailed it, and it was one per household.

940 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:18:30pm

re: #934 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t even filled one out either, but that’s because I was still living with my parents in 2000. i live by myself know and fully expect that will also be the case in 2010.

But how do they know who you are or where you live? Or are the forms just mass-mailed to “occupant”?

Either way, if I ever seen one, it’s going straight into the trash, unopened. But I have a strong suspicion I never will see one, since I haven’t seen one yet.

941 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:19:03pm

re: #939 iceweasel

Where I was they mailed it, and it was one per household.

Strange. To whom was it addressed?

942 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:20:55pm

re: #941 zombie

I’d have to assume they use DL or tax roles to find out the Head of Household. I’ll probably get one since…. well, I am the Big Papa.

943 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:21:31pm

re: #941 zombie

Strange. To whom was it addressed?

I can’t remember. I don’t think it was addressed to anyone in particular. For ‘household’ purposes they consider everyone who claims that place as a primary residence.

944 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:22:27pm

re: #937 zombie

Are you talking about America?

You’re freaking me out. Please tell me you’re pulling my leg or something.

A census taker left ours on the door in 2000. I think he/she made two visits to take the info in person and found nobody home, left the form on the third try. No name or address on it, as I recall.

945 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:24:31pm

re: #940 zombie

But how do they know who you are or where you live? Or are the forms just mass-mailed to “occupant”?

Either way, if I ever seen one, it’s going straight into the trash, unopened. But I have a strong suspicion I never will see one, since I haven’t seen one yet.

They’d just ask the IRS. My address is on my tax returns.

946 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:25:13pm

OT, but Dark Falcon, where did your nic come from? If you don’t mind me asking. I’ve always wondered. :)

947 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:29:06pm

re: #940 zombie


Either way, if I ever seen one, it’s going straight into the trash, unopened. But I have a strong suspicion I never will see one, since I haven’t seen one yet.

I find it weird you never saw one….if you were in college or grad school in 1990, you might not have seen one because you might still be covered on your parents’ census. That’s all I can think of. Unless you lived somewhere with roommates and one of them filled it out and never mentioned it?

I thought every residence in the US gets one in the mail, even if it’s not addressed to anyone specific and the residence doesn’t get a visit. But maybe that’s just where I’ve been.

948 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:32:09pm

re: #946 iceweasel

OT, but Dark Falcon, where did your nic come from? If you don’t mind me asking. I’ve always wondered. :)

I don’t mind at all. I came from another forum, that of a game I play. There, it is my way of showing the (fictional) faction I belong to. I’m not going to say which game on the thread, because you could learn my name there. I’ll see about how I might inform you privately. Most likely creating an email for LGF communication.

949 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:33:00pm

re: #942 BigPapa

I’d have to assume they use DL or tax roles to find out the Head of Household. I’ll probably get one since…. well, I am the Big Papa.

re: #945 Dark_Falcon

They’d just ask the IRS. My address is on my tax returns.

That can’t be legal. I thought the IRS wasn’t allowed to share their info with anyone. Even other government agencies.

950 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:38:48pm

re: #947 iceweasel

I find it weird you never saw one….if you were in college or grad school in 1990, you might not have seen one because you might still be covered on your parents’ census. That’s all I can think of. Unless you lived somewhere with roommates and one of them filled it out and never mentioned it?

I thought every residence in the US gets one in the mail, even if it’s not addressed to anyone specific and the residence doesn’t get a visit. But maybe that’s just where I’ve been.

Mysterious. Not only have I never seen one, no one I’ve known in my entire life has ever mentioned such a thing to me. I always thought the census was done as an estimate. And that perhaps they asked a few random “representative” people to fill out a form, like taking a poll, from which they could extrapolate the likely statistics.

I mean, I’ve never been asked a poll question either, nor do I know any Neilsen families or anything like that, so I presumed the census was on the same level.

I still can’t accept that they seriously think people will fill out such a form. I would presume that at least 25%-30% of them just get tossed or ignored, right off the bat.

What motivation is there to participate?

951 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:38:52pm

re: #949 zombie

That can’t be legal. I thought the IRS wasn’t allowed to share their info with anyone. Even other government agencies.

You might be right. But then again, our Social Security numbers were never to be for identification either.

(cue evil music and booming voice of James Earl Jones going ‘bwahahahaha’)

952 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:39:49pm

re: #948 Dark_Falcon

I completely understand and I don’t mean to pry. As the existence of the stalker site shows all too well, there are a lot of crazy people scouring this site and the info of the posters here.

I’m already freaked out personally by at least one person here. The internet is a weird, weird place.

953 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:44:54pm

re: #952 iceweasel

You’re only freaked out by one? LOL.

954 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:45:30pm

re: #950 zombie

Mysterious. Not only have I never seen one, no one I’ve known in my entire life has ever mentioned such a thing to me. I always thought the census was done as an estimate. And that perhaps they asked a few random “representative” people to fill out a form, like taking a poll, from which they could extrapolate the likely statistics.

I mean, I’ve never been asked a poll question either, nor do I know any Neilsen families or anything like that, so I presumed the census was on the same level.

I still can’t accept that they seriously think people will fill out such a form. I would presume that at least 25%-30% of them just get tossed or ignored, right off the bat.

What motivation is there to participate?

It’s only done every ten years, so it’s not so surprising that no one ever mentioned it to you, I guess.

I only got polled around 2004 for the presidential campaign. That was the first time ever.

I think they do know that most people will just toss them, which is I guess why they also send out representatives to try to take them on the spot, in some places.

There’s no motivation at all to take one,—especially one of the long-form, multi-page ones— except some fuzzy rhetoric about ‘being a good citizen’, i guess.

(another point: not every household gets the longform one; most get the short one and they extrapolate data from the few longform ones. I guess they know that chances of people filling it out drop precipitously if everyone gets a 50 page plus form.)

955 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:45:42pm

re: #22 soxfan4life

I wasn’t thrilled with the census guy taking a GPS reading at my front door. He asked if I had any questions and when I asked him why this was necessary he answered I don’t know. WTF.

What the hell is going on? Is this GPS thing for real?

956 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:47:38pm

re: #952 iceweasel

I completely understand and I don’t mean to pry. As the existence of the stalker site shows all too well, there are a lot of crazy people scouring this site and the info of the posters here.

I’m already freaked out personally by at least one person here. The internet is a weird, weird place.

You’re not prying. However, in the spirit of reciprocity, why ‘iceweasel’?

957 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:50:19pm

re: #953 BigPapa

You’re only freaked out by one? LOL.

Well…yeah, more than one. :)

One person has a lot of hate for me. Im not going to cry into my pillow every night if someone on the intertubes is mean to me, or if I get downdinged—-but one specific person follows me around and I’ve caught them on 3 occasions so far bringing me up in some unrelated thread out of the blue.

I can only assume he/she does it because I’ve wiped the floor with its ass one too many times in an argument, so it knows not to ‘attack’ me when I’m around. It’s still really creepy to see. And I only happened to see 3 occasions when it was trying to get some witchhunt going against me. I have to assume there have been more. It freaks me out, but fuck it.

958 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:51:34pm

re: #956 Dark_Falcon

You’re not prying. However, in the spirit of reciprocity, why ‘iceweasel’?

Oh here you go, this just came up upthread…nothing very interesting, I’m afraid. :)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

BRB—

959 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:52:29pm

re: #954 iceweasel

It’s only done every ten years, so it’s not so surprising that no one ever mentioned it to you, I guess.

…
I think they do know that most people will just toss them, which is I guess why they also send out representatives to try to take them on the spot, in some places.

Well, I’m an adult, and I was around in 1990 and 2000, so it is a little mysterious still. On the other hand, I never ever answer knocks on my door (out of fear, mostly — I generally assume that an unanticipated knock on the door is a home-invasion robber or a rapist), and I also toss unopened anything that even resembles junk mail. So even if they did send someone in person, or mail a form, I may have never realized it.

It may also be worth noting that the U.S. government has never once contacted me or communicated with me in my entire life for any reason — not just census forms — so I have this sneaking suspicion they don’t really know I exist.

960 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:53:44pm

re: #958 iceweasel

Oh here you go, this just came up upthread…nothing very interesting, I’m afraid. :)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

BRB—

Works for me. You can’t go too wrong with a Matt Groening reference.

961 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 10:54:36pm

Come to think of it, I cannot recall any census taker coming to my door, and I have an elephants memory for interaction with any gov’mt official. I’ve always gotten the short form in the mail and did my duty. P.S. iceweasel, you’re ok in my book.

962 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:01:28pm

re: #961 MrPaulRevere

Come to think of it, I cannot recall any census taker coming to my door, and I have an elephants memory for interaction with any gov’mt official. I’ve always gotten the short form in the mail and did my duty. P.S. iceweasel, you’re ok in my book.

The feeling is very mutual. thanks.

963 iceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:06:54pm

re: #959 zombie

No jury duty calls? Or even letters from the DMV about renewal or whatever? Wow, you really must be off their grid! lucky you.

I’d love to be off the jury duty list, it seems like once you’re on, you’re on. I keep getting notices even when I’ve just served and I’m supposed to be released from service for 3 years or whatever.

964 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:08:03pm

re: #959 zombie

Ancestry.com has the census on line for 1790 thru 1930. The 1880 one is free to view. They also have blank copies of the census forms for each year thru 1930. The census data is released only after 70 years has passed. The 1940 census data should be released about 2012.

965 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:09:03pm

re: #962 iceweasel

I can still remember when a cop stopped me and a friend who were riding our bikes at 2:00 in the morning when we were 13 or 14. It was a feeling of total liberation until he followed us home *wink*.

966 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:11:46pm

re: #109 doppelganglander

I failed to complete and return my census forms in 1990 and 2000. No one’s bothered me yet.

Ahhhhh. That’s what I like to hear.

I refuse to fill out forms of any kind. Period. This one included.

Well, with one exception: the 1040. Aside from that — nada.

967 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:12:34pm

re: #964 FamHistoryGuy

The 1890 census was destroyed in a fire in the basement of the Commerce building before it was microfilmed.

All of the data has to be taken with a grain of salt as it is not always accurate. Depended on who answered the questions and how much they knew.

968 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:14:38pm

Goodnight. I have to get to bed. Early meeting.

969 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:16:17pm

G’nite, DF. Sleep well.

970 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:16:26pm

re: #963 iceweasel

No jury duty calls? Or even letters from the DMV about renewal or whatever? Wow, you really must be off their grid! lucky you.

I’d love to be off the jury duty list, it seems like once you’re on, you’re on. I keep getting notices even when I’ve just served and I’m supposed to be released from service for 3 years or whatever.

Nope. No jury duty, no DMV, zilch. But those are county and state agencies anyway, right? I was talking about the Feds — as being the ones with which I have never had contact. But over and above that, I also rarely if ever hear from more local governments.

Yes, I am very much off the grid. I’m one of those very few people who made the decision to live off the grid while I was still a kid, so I have avoided ever doing anything to get myself noticed from before I even turned 18. It definitely has its downsides, but I love the freedom.

971 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:10:46am

re: #39 unrealizedviewpoint

WTF is right. Big big brother sounding. geez!
So they got this down to exact coordinates, who’s where, how many, etc. Yikes!
Black Helicopters.

They can get my exact coordinates anytime they want by simply looking at aerial and satellite photographs. That’s where all the imagery from Google Earth, Mapquest and so forth all comes from in the first place - the government. And it’s simple to get geodetic information to go along with it.

The GPS thing reeks of contractor graft. The unit the guy who came to my house was using was the size of one of those cell phones from the early 80s, and it took about a dozen key clicks simply to record my one datum of information. Some Congressman got a big contribution to his reelection fund while the American taxpayers got hornswoggled to pay for a pointless make-work program that probably adds several billion dollars to the census’ budget for no good reason.

Say it with me: “Boondoggle”. It’s become such a common way of bilking the taxpayer that Firefox’s spell check even recognizes it as a legitimate word.

972 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:44:42am

re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth

She was already kind of a whack-job, wasn’t she? Or am I thinking of someone else.

No, you’re not thinking of someone else. I first became aware of Bachman when she was discussing how she thought members of Congress should be investigated to find out if they were pro- or anti-America.

The woman is a fruitcake.

973 Old Engineer  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:13:47am

Were it in my power I would award Michelle an Honorary Pair of Brass Balls. Go Girl.
Old Engineer

974 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:49:34am

re: #950 zombie

What motivation is there to participate?

I remember that at the time of the 2000 census, there was a lot of buzz in gay media outlets about how super-duper important it was for GBLTQetc people to participate in the census (i.e., assuming they received a form in the mail or were visited by a census-taker).

And the reason it was so terribly important is that there was a new question on the census that could — it was argued — serve as a very very rough proxy for estimating the number of GBLTQetc people in the U.S. (The new question had nothing directly to do with sexuality; rather, it had something to do with “co-habitating adults not related by marriage.” Thus, it was intended to avoid the problem of under-counting the number of adults sharing living quarters with one or more roommates, as in the case of Monica, Rachel, and Phoebe on Friends.)

Obviously, you can make a good case that a question about co-habitating adults is in fact a ridiculously poor proxy (rather than a good “rough” proxy) for counting GBLTQetc. people. But whether that’s true or not, the point is that the message promulgated by the gay media was: “Take the census seriously so that Our Community™ won’t be undercounted.”

975 A.W.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:41:12am

i don’t know what this congresswoman is looking at, but the 2000 census was really intrustive, too, and i told them to buzz off. i gave them a little information and refused to answer the rest. I wasn’t quite as hardcore as she was. i think i gave them my name, and enough information to tell me from anyone else with a similara name, but no more than that.

They never went after me over it.

976 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:43:30am

re: #522 gymnast

All they need to to to figure it out is to give a good sniff up under their left wing and if it smells like shit they can identify their own self. The other way of spotting shitbirds is to warch them fly for a while. Always the left circles outnumber the right as a result of their left wing leanings.

Tell me, when you snuffle up under your right wing and notice the Big Stink from that anatomical region, what do you conclude about yourself?

If you feel uncomfortable with the diversity of views here, there are lots of places you might find more congenial. There’s one calling itself a “blogmocracy” that’ll take just about anyone, even those with turds where their right frontal lobes should be. Price of admission is low. Just diss the folks - and most especially the owner - of this blog. Why, they’ll even put you on a prayer list run by a goddess.

I’m almost certain they’re just waiting for you. Can’t remember the address offhand, but I think it’s somewhere near the intersection of Merd Street and Offal Avenue, hard by the sewer pipe that feeds into right side of Scheissvogel Harbor.

Give it a look-see.

977 iceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:13:55am

re: #976 Cato the Elder

Can’t remember the address offhand, but I think it’s somewhere near the intersection of Merd Street and Offal Avenue, hard by the sewer pipe that feeds into right side of Scheissvogel Harbor.

I can’t be certain, but isn’t that place overlooked by Schadenfreude Point? I think there’s a lovely view from Schadenfreude, anyway.

978 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:48:40am

Bachmann is entitled to engage in any act of civil disobedience she chooses. Of course, she also has to be prepared to pay whatever penalty is imposed for her disobedience.

The U.S. Constitution requires a census. The primary purpose of the census was to avoid a “rotten borough” system like that which dominated England for more than a century. Now it’s tied to federal entitlements as well, which creates an incentive to cheat far beyond the original, intended purpose.

We’re probably better off sticking to the original intended purpose, and decoupling federal aid to the states and cities from the census.

979 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:01:17am

Census?

Doan truss the gubbermin. Theyre outa getcha. New World Order is comin. Time to start reinforcin yer shack ‘n stockin up ‘n sum ammo.//

980 DistantThunder  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:08:21am

I heard that one of the questions on the census is: What time do you leave for work? Excuse me? How is this the government’s business?

981 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:21:03am

re: #980 DistantThunder

I won’t defend it, except to say that they’ve now included nanny-state questions designed to help them “plan” nanny-state solutions. What time do you leave for work? Maybe they need to tax you if you’re contributing to traffic congestion. It’s that kind of thinking.

982 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:22:11am

re: #979 Jimmah

Bias against Southerners?

983 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:24:30am

re: #980 DistantThunder

I heard that one of the questions on the census is: What time do you leave for work? Excuse me? How is this the government’s business?

I don’t think it’s hard to see how it could be - the government needs to be able to gauge demand for transport etc at certain times of day, get an idea of the average working day and so on for central planning purposes.

Or maybe…they want this info so they can send an agent to follow you around and snoop on you?//

984 sevoguy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:30:22am

ACORN - it’s a shame.

985 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:31:28am

re: #982 quickjustice

Bias against Southerners?

Nope. Just not impressed by paranoid anti-government types. Next time I might do a ‘northern’ accent when I’m parodying them to avoid unduly insulting the south.

986 gymnast  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:37:11am

Cato, you take your nic far to seriously. For a Sophomore.

987 Land Shark  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:40:10am

I’ve never been much for government conspiracy theories, but for the first time I’m worried. This Obama regime seems very intent on imposing it’s socialist vision on the nation, and with the media in his back pocket and no check whatsoever from Congress I believe there are reasons for concern. Now were seeing a census with far more intrusive questions than ever if what I’m hearing is correct, and remember Obama put the census under White House control, an unprecedented step. And ACORN, an organization that can best be described as “criminal” is involved with this.

Obama says one thing and does another. He appoints tax cheats to government posts. He appoints unelected “czars” who answer only to him instead of Congress. He’s spending our treasury into insolvency. I see a government growing and wanting to intrude more than ever into the lives of it’s citizens. Does anyone recall Michelle Obama’s statement during the campaign on how Barrack wasn’t going to leave people alone or something to that effect?

For the first time in my life, I am very leery of our government. If that makes me a raving conspiracy nut in the eyes of some people, so be it. Anyone who isn’t concerned isn’t paying attention or getting all their news from the Obamedia. IMHO.

988 Mad Mullah  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:17:21am

I don’t recall ever filling out any census forms in 2000.

Now, with the Obama Whitehouse grabbing control over the census and collaborating with the mass voter fraud organization Acorn, I will probably not fill out any in 2010 either. To put it simply, I do not trust them or their intentions and I do not wish to partake in their little scheme.

989 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:36:39am

re: #977 iceweasel

I can’t be certain, but isn’t that place overlooked by Schadenfreude Point? I think there’s a lovely view from Schadenfreude, anyway.

All the sophomores go to the Point to make out on balmy nights. You can barely smell the partisan swamp from there…

990 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #959 zombie

Well, I’m an adult, and I was around in 1990 and 2000, so it is a little mysterious still. On the other hand, I never ever answer knocks on my door (out of fear, mostly — I generally assume that an unanticipated knock on the door is a home-invasion robber or a rapist), and I also toss unopened anything that even resembles junk mail. So even if they did send someone in person, or mail a form, I may have never realized it.

It may also be worth noting that the U.S. government has never once contacted me or communicated with me in my entire life for any reason — not just census forms — so I have this sneaking suspicion they don’t really know I exist.

Either that or the government doesn’t really exist?

Nah, can’t be that.

991 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:53:02am

I don’t like ACORN’s involvement. Who’s next ANSWER?

Still, looking over the census questions, there’s nothing really new there. I don’t know why they want to know about cars, rent, toilets, etc. None of it is particularly dangerous info, but do they have a right to it? I know a census is constitutional, but that doesn’t mean you have to answer everything they ask.

Number of people, age, sex, citizenship and length of time lived at current address should cover it.

I honestly can’t answer the ethnicity and hispanic questions. Do I have an ancestor from Spain? I don’t know. Maybe I should just go with Race: Human and Ethnicity: American. I don’t mean to be a smartass, but those are the most accurate answers.

The Obama administration making the Census Office part of the White House is the only real disturbing thing here. I believe it’s an attempt to tamper with the Electoral College to give an advantage to the Democrats.

992 Hawaii69  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:14:01pm

re: #20 Gearhead

I normally try to refrain from profanity, but that’s a load of shit - an attempt by the govt to intimidate private citizens.


You’re right, it’s a load of shit. No one has every been prosecuted/fined for refusing to participate in the census.

It’s right up there with ripping the tag off of a mattress.

Bachman is a froot loop of epic proportions.

993 Barb42  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 3:06:21pm

re: #341 Shug
My brother received the long form already. Its a nightmare - asks for detail on every part of his life….including medications and medical reports, how much he spends on every little thing. Where he goes, and same for everyone who has lived in his House. Its asking for information about his finances that even the IRS won’t share. He isn’t doing it either. And there is a fine and Acorn is involved heavily. There is GPS. You may not like Michelle Bachmann, but for all her being ‘too stupid’ for all of you, she, at least, is putting herself on the line for what is right. I had the long form the last time and refused to fill in the nosy questions. This one is worse. Personally, I think the census is going to corrupted this time anyway. After reading all of the comments, I am going to vote for Michele next time. Tell the Republican blue-bloods to take a flying leap.


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