Overnight Open Thread

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Open • Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 11:16 pm PDT • Views: 151

The whiskey on your breath
Could make a small boy dizzy;
But I hung on like death:
Such waltzing was not easy.

— Theodore Roethke, “My Papa’s Waltz”

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1 Macker  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:20:03pm

Good night, Lizards! See you tomorrow!

2 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:20:25pm
Such waltzing was not easy.

Never did like dancing with women who were drinking...

3 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:20:55pm

G'nite Macker!

4 freetoken  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:20:56pm

re: #1 Macker

Leaving so soon? We've just begun to waltz the night away!

5 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:22:16pm

For your late-night amusement:

In Berkeley. . .even the private-school students are communists

Part of the new "In Berkeley..." series at zomblog.

6 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:22:44pm

I hope Red C shows up soon. PETA could have taken him over that rat-kill thing.

7 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:23:11pm

re: #5 zombie

The more I see from Berkely, the better mid-America looks.

8 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:24:15pm

re: #5 zombie

For your late-night amusement:

In Berkeley. . .even the private-school students are communists

Part of the new "In Berkeley..." series at zomblog.

Goodevening, zombie! You've squeaked by me in the top ten comments. :-)

Hope you're doing well. I really enjoy your photo essays!

9 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:24:24pm

re: #6 Pvt Bin Jammin

I hope Red C shows up soon. PETA could have taken him over that rat-kill thing.


They'll never take him alive.

10 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:24:58pm

re: #5 zombie

For your late-night amusement:

In Berkeley. . .even the private-school students are communists

Part of the new "In Berkeley..." series at zomblog.

As a 4th gen Oaklander (borders Berkeley) this just blows my mind. The "Open Ward" was always a joke ... this is off the chart.

11 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:25:15pm

re: #4 freetoken

Leaving so soon? We've just begun to waltz the night away!

The Blue Danube

Youtube Video
12 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:25:42pm

re: #9 Fenway_Nation

They'll never take him alive.

Exactly what I was thinking, Fenway. LOL

13 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:26:13pm

re: #10 Bobibutu

Goodevening, Bobibutu, nice to see you! :-)

14 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:27:08pm

re: #11 Sharmuta

Nice, Sharm.

Is your grandfather doing any better today?

15 Kronocide  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:27:25pm

Wow, I had an awesome non-debate debate in another thread. How exhilarating.

16 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:28:12pm

re: #5 zombie

For your late-night amusement:

In Berkeley. . .even the private-school students are communists

Part of the new "In Berkeley..." series at zomblog.

Nothing spells communism like a "$17,100 per student for a ten-month session." I wonder if their parents hope "capitalism will fail" as shown on the tile.

Talk about "cognitive dissonance."

17 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:28:39pm

re: #13 pink freud

Goodevening, Bobibutu, nice to see you! :-)

Danka -and you.

The Navy League is having a gig in Vallejo tomorrow with the CG giving us a ride on a Cutter - looks like fun.

18 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:29:19pm

re: #16 Gus 802

Nothing spells communism like a "$17,100 per student for a ten-month session." I wonder if their parents hope "capitalism will fail" as shown on the tile.

Talk about "cognitive dissonance."

Wankers of the world, unite!
You have nothing to lose but your 'yaht club' membership.
/

19 Floral Giraffe  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:29:22pm

Repost for the last thread, but with new links!

WAY OT:
Huntington Botanic Garden's "son of stinky" is now open!
(Amorphophalus titan arum)

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Only 50 recorded flowerings in the US.
AKA the "corpse flower"
[Link: www.huntington.org...]

20 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:29:27pm

re: #8 pink freud

Goodevening, zombie! You've squeaked by me in the top ten comments. :-)

Hope you're doing well. I really enjoy your photo essays!

You'll pass me soon. Plus 36! Wow, that's some hella karma.

Y'know, because of you, I now break out laughing every time I see or hear the name "Pink Floyd."

21 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:29:28pm

re: #17 Bobibutu

Well, thank you. That does sound like fun. :-)

22 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:29:31pm

re: #2 freetoken

Never did like dancing with women who were drinking...

better things to do with them than dance... %-)

23 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:29:46pm

re: #6 Pvt Bin Jammin

I hope Red C shows up soon. PETA could have taken him over that rat-kill thing.

I wish that I'd been here earlier for the fly-execution thread. Too funny!

24 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:29:50pm

re: #5 zombie

True communism has never been tried!//

25 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:30:39pm

re: #18 iceweasel

Wankers of the world, unite!
You have nothing to lose but your 'yaht club' membership.
/

Why Muffy can you believe it? Thurston is an evil capitalist!

More champagne?

//

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:31:11pm

["Che"] Guevara's granddaughter to appear in PETA campaign
Jun. 18, 2009 02:06 PM
Associated Press

NEW YORK - Apparently revolution runs in the family.

The granddaughter of Cuban revolutionary leader Ernesto "Che" Guevara is the face of a new PETA campaign touting "the vegetarian revolution."

27 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:31:21pm

re: #24 MrPaulRevere

True communism has never been tried!//

Marxism is still a theory!

///

28 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:31:22pm

re: #20 zombie

You'll pass me soon. Plus 36! Wow, that's some hella karma.

Y'know, because of you, I now break out laughing every time I see or hear the name "Pink Floyd."

You're a sweetheart, Zombie.

Laughter is wonderful ... I am happy to be part of the source for you!

29 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:31:30pm

re: #21 pink freud

Well, thank you. That does sound like fun. :-)

Hot dogs and all the other stuff - Republican majority - wish you were closer.

30 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:32:16pm

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

What on earth are you doing up this time of night! Nice to see you on the LNDT.

31 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:32:22pm

Seriously, North Korea needs to STFU.

32 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:32:40pm

re: #14 pink freud

I wasn't feeling very well earlier, so I'm going to see him in the morning. I'll let you guys know. Thanks for asking.

33 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:33:08pm

re: #29 Bobibutu

I'd accompany you in a heartbeat, Bobibutu. We have stories yet to share.

34 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:33:15pm

re: #30 pink freud

What on earth are you doing up this time of night! Nice to see you on the LNDT.

It's only 11:32PM here in the Great NorthWet. You want me to leave? ;)

35 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:33:21pm

re: #4 freetoken

Leaving so soon? We've just begun to waltz the night away!

the Last Waltz?

36 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:33:38pm

re: #10 Bobibutu

As a 4th gen Oaklander (borders Berkeley) this just blows my mind. The "Open Ward" was always a joke ... this is off the chart.

Oakland's got some funny school stuff going on too. Did you see the recent news about the Oakland school changing its name to "Obama Academy" or something like that? The entire school -- students, staff and administration -- came out and did a weird tribal "Obama Dance" during the name change ceremony. I saw a film of it -- one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen (and I've seen a lot of weirdness).

37 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:33:40pm

re: #31 TheMatrix31

Seriously, North Korea needs to STFU.

Kim Jong Makes Me Ill should STFD. Or just go away.

38 garden18  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:33:52pm

Obama reminds me of a Mullah against whom, despite his destructive deeds, there is no protest. But when protests finally come, inestimable pent up anger of millions will be released.

39 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:34:11pm

re: #32 Sharmuta

I hope you get to feeling better, Sharm ...you are both in my prayers.

40 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:34:21pm

re: #6 Pvt Bin Jammin

I hope Red C shows up soon. PETA could have taken him over that rat-kill thing.

bring it.

1 for one tonight, and LBK moved in for the clean up. %-)

41 Chicken Kiev  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:34:46pm

#5 zombie

Hey, but at least those communist private-school kids (according to the school's mission statement) aren't racists!

Coz that would be unacceptable.

42 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:34:57pm

re: #34 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's only 11:32PM here in the Great NorthWet. You want me to leave? ;)

Actually, FOGJ, I think the dead thread would be very interesting and different with you here. Please stay. :-)

43 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:35:00pm

re: #9 Fenway_Nation

They'll never take him alive.

LOL I was on email. Just getting back to the thread. They'll probably get me too. We have one of those "electric shock" bug killers.

44 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:35:21pm

Oh noz! Capitalism!

Looks what's at the Black Pine School web site!

The BPC Business Center with a list of evul business people!

/

45 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:35:28pm

re: #9 Fenway_Nation

They'll never take him alive.

betcha i can take PETA... when are they in season?

46 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:35:37pm

re: #24 MrPaulRevere

True communism has never been tried!//

I tried it...and after a fair trial found it guilty and sentenced it to solitary confinement for the rest of its natural-born life.

47 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:35:41pm

My kitty executed a couple of crane flies last night. Should I report him to PETA?

48 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:36:23pm

Police: Man attacked in Okla. for bologna sandwich
Jun. 18, 2009 12:01 PM

OKLAHOMA CITY - A man in Oklahoma City says he was attacked for his bologna and cheese sandwich.

Police say 24-year-old Roger Hamilton told them he was sitting on a bus station bench Wednesday, about to put mayonnaise on his sandwich, when another man began staring at him.

49 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:36:25pm

Waltz of the Flowers

Youtube Video
50 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:36:30pm

re: #40 redc1c4

bring it.

1 for one tonight, and LBK moved in for the clean up. %-)

Sorry, I was on email. Who is LBK?

51 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:36:44pm

re: #16 Gus 802

Nothing spells communism like a "$17,100 per student for a ten-month session." I wonder if their parents hope "capitalism will fail" as shown on the tile.

Talk about "cognitive dissonance."

Three words are all that is required to describe Berkeley -- and you just named two of them:

Cognitive dissonance
Hypocrisy

52 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:36:54pm

re: #33 pink freud

I'd accompany you in a heartbeat, Bobibutu. We have stories yet to share.

Yes - many.

The destination is:
Coast Guard Station Vallejo - 2 Harbor Way - Vallejo; north
of the Vallejo Ferry Terminal - next to The Sardine Can Restaurant.
There will be Boat Rides if a C.G. Boat is available (meaning an 87 foot cutter).
Cookout Food: hot dogs, sodas, etc. $10.00 total, "Coasties" there to help.

53 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:37:13pm

re: #48 FurryOldGuyJeans

Police: Man attacked in Okla. for bologna sandwich
Jun. 18, 2009 12:01 PM

See? LOL!

54 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:37:39pm

re: #42 pink freud

Actually, FOGJ, I think the dead thread would be very interesting and different with you here. Please stay. :-)

A ringing endorsement that ain't, but then I normally don't get asked to stay. ;)

55 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:37:43pm

re: #51 zombie

Three words are all that is required to describe Berkeley -- and you just named two of them:

Cognitive dissonance
Hypocrisy

Did you get a load of their board of directors?

[Link: www.bpcweb.net...]

Eric Sullivan - Chair

Eric Sullivan is Principal and Chief Strategic Officer of PCG Equity, a commercial real estate and private equity fund. Mr. Sullivan is also President of Quantum Technology, a private venture capital fund focused on early stage technology companies.

Over the past decade Mr. Sullivan has been an investment banker and investor in a variety of entrepreneurial enterprises. His specialty is leveraged buyouts of undervalued companies and assets. With Intercontinental Pacific Group, Mr. Sullivan managed approximately $10 billion in acquisitions, including companies involved in technology, media, finance, leasing, commercial real estate, energy and industrial companies. With the InvestTec companies, he formed several venture capital funds that provided early stage venture financing to a number of successful technology companies. Mr. Sullivan is a member of the Urban Land Institute. In addition, he sits on the Board of Directors of several technology companies. He is also a part-time Professor of Capital Markets and Corporate Finance in the MBA program at Mills College. Mr. Sullivan is the Commissioner of Pony league baseball in Piedmont, California.

Mr. Sullivan received his graduate degree from Harvard in 1988 (J.D.). He received his undergraduate degree from U.C. Berkeley in 1984 (B.S., highest honors). All three of Eric’s children have attended or are currently enrolled at BPC!

56 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:37:45pm

re: #48 FurryOldGuyJeans

Police: Man attacked in Okla. for bologna sandwich
Jun. 18, 2009 12:01 PM

You can have my bologna and cheese sandwich when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

57 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:37:55pm

re: #31 TheMatrix31

Seriously, North Korea needs to STFU.

they are more likely to tell Ear Leader to STFU, and make it stick.

58 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:38:01pm

re: #39 pink freud

It was just a touch of a headache- I'm fine. You're kind to think of me and my family.

59 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:38:29pm

re: #11 Sharmuta

Hi Sharmuta,
I bought my first classical album when I was 15. It was Strauss Waltzes (and the Trisch Tracsh Polka) conducted by Eugene Ormandy. Thanks.

60 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:38:50pm

re: #52 Bobibutu

If I was closer, I would take you up on that fine offer.

61 pink freud  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:39:43pm

bbiab

62 Chicken Kiev  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:40:04pm

#51 zombie

Three words are all that is required

Three words are all that ARE required

The undead must make their nouns and verbs agree.

63 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:40:19pm

re: #46 zombie

I tried it...and after a fair trial found it guilty and sentenced it to solitary confinement for the rest of its natural-born life.

you should have held out for the death penalty.

/midnight, crossroads, wooden stake: some assembly required.

64 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:40:42pm

re: #48 FurryOldGuyJeans

Police: Man attacked in Okla. for bologna sandwich
Jun. 18, 2009 12:01 PM
Police say 24-year-old Roger Hamilton told them he was sitting on a bus station bench Wednesday, about to put mayonnaise on his sandwich, when another man began staring at him.

Hamilton told police that the man then punched him in the mouth and grabbed his sandwich and left.

Damn. I guess he's a mustard fan.

I can understand punching someone who tries to put mayo on pastrami, but this is a little much.

65 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:41:43pm

re: #41 Chicken Kiev

#5 zombie

Hey, but at least those communist private-school kids (according to the school's mission statement) aren't racists!

Coz that would be unacceptable.

The school seems to have "ism" on the brain.

Hey, I got an idea for them: How about math, reading and jumping jacks?

Nah -- that'll never work as an educational theory. We must have "privilege exercises" and "social justice studies" and "Tell Your Mommy the Last Check Bounced 101."

66 Floral Giraffe  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:41:46pm

Tom Waits Waltzing Matilda...

Youtube Video
67 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:41:50pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

You and your grandpa are in my prayers...but you knew that already.

68 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:42:30pm

re: #59 BatGuano

I piece that brought me to love classical music was Schubert's Unfinished Symphony when I was about 16.

69 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:42:34pm

Major moonbat convergence this weekend: Fremont Solstice Festival. Be sure to look for the naked cyclists!

70 Floral Giraffe  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:43:04pm

re: #54 FurryOldGuyJeans

FOGJ.
I'll second the "please stay to play" request!

71 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:43:07pm

re: #50 Pvt Bin Jammin

Sorry, I was on email. Who is LBK?

Little Black Kitty... the resident stray that someone dumped in the area: he lives under the neighbors house, and keeps it rat free, and stalks the local fauna, plus gets two meals a day at our house. i'd like to meet the dirtbag who mistreated him.

72 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:43:12pm

re: #17 Bobibutu

Danka -and you.

The Navy League is having a gig in Vallejo tomorrow with the CG giving us a ride on a Cutter - looks like fun.

Wish I could fly up there too. Unfortunately, business calls. One of my hubby's bros, former Marine, is in the Coast Guard Reserve. He digs it.

73 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:44:05pm

re: #44 Gus 802

Oh noz! Capitalism!

Looks what's at the Black Pine School web site!

The BPC Business Center with a list of evul business people!

/

That's nuts, even without the hypocritical communism angle. What kind of school has advertisers? It's an educational institution, not a marketing scheme!

74 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:44:13pm

re: #65 zombie

Do they have a 'White Privelege Studies' course? I'll spring for the tuition if I can get some impoverished kids from Appalachia to attend so they can understand how priveleged they really are...

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:44:40pm

History is now irretrievably "broke":

Like Obama, Lincoln had run-in with a fly
Jun. 18, 2009 12:41 PM
Associated Press

CHICAGO - President Obama launched his campaign from Abraham Lincoln's hometown, used his bible to be sworn in and quotes Lincoln at the drop of a stovepipe hat.

Now it seems the two share something else: an encounter with a fly.

Daniel Weinberg, the owner of the Abraham Lincoln Book Shop in Chicago, has a photograph of Lincoln with a house fly on him.

76 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:44:47pm

Swan Lake Waltz

Youtube Video
77 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:45:02pm

Thanks, {Archie}

78 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:45:06pm

re: #71 redc1c4

Little Black Kitty... the resident stray that someone dumped in the area: he lives under the neighbors house, and keeps it rat free, and stalks the local fauna, plus gets two meals a day at our house. i'd like to meet the dirtbag who mistreated him.

Poor little guy. People who abuse cats should be kept in a kennel outdoors for a month.

79 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:45:38pm

re: #16 Gus 802

Nothing spells communism like a "$17,100 per student for a ten-month session." I wonder if their parents hope "capitalism will fail" as shown on the tile.

Talk about "cognitive dissonance."

The "Wonderful Day at the Yacht Club" one really spells glorious peoples revolution and economic justice as well.

80 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:46:02pm

re: #73 zombie

That's nuts, even without the hypocritical communism angle. What kind of school has advertisers? It's an educational institution, not a marketing scheme!

you're missing the nuance... report yourself immediately.

81 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:46:17pm

re: #60 pink freud

If I was closer, I would take you up on that fine offer.

RGR - I'm thinking of another "positive" conflagration for lizards at Walnut Creek this summer .. we had a great meet last year.

82 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:46:45pm

re: #75 FurryOldGuyJeans

History is now irretrievably "broke":

Like Obama, Lincoln had run-in with a fly
Jun. 18, 2009 12:41 PM
Associated Press

Can you just imagine the editorial meeting?

"Everyone has this fly story! Clark, you and Lois have to find a new angle. And fast!"

WTF. Did nothing else happen in the world today?

83 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:46:48pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Did you get a load of their board of directors?

[Link: [Link: www.bpcweb.net...]...]

Eric Sullivan - Chair

That's guy's like the most capitalistic capitalist I've ever seen!

84 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:46:52pm

re: #78 Cygnus


That kid sick fuck in Miami made bail, which was set at something like $250,000.

85 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:46:53pm

re: #71 redc1c4

Little Black Kitty... the resident stray that someone dumped in the area: he lives under the neighbors house, and keeps it rat free, and stalks the local fauna, plus gets two meals a day at our house. i'd like to meet the dirtbag who mistreated him.

Sounds cute. I need to adopt one of those.

Reminder to PBJ...put the new dog food in the metal container. Haven't seen our rat lately but sure as hell if I don't put that food away I will have evidence in the morning.

86 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:47:01pm

re: #78 Cygnus

Poor little guy. People who abuse cats should be kept in a kennel outdoors for a month, and then be put to sleep.

FTFY.

87 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:47:31pm

re: #73 zombie

That's nuts, even without the hypocritical communism angle. What kind of school has advertisers? It's an educational institution, not a marketing scheme!

At Black Pine School we encourage our students to embrace communism and hope for the failure of capitalism. While enjoying your visit at our web site please make sure and visit our business center and read about our director who "with Intercontinental Pacific Group, Mr. Sullivan managed approximately $10 billion in acquisitions, including companies involved in technology, media, finance, leasing, commercial real estate, energy and industrial companies."

88 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:47:39pm

re: #41 Chicken Kiev

#5 zombie

Hey, but at least those communist private-school kids (according to the school's mission statement) aren't racists!

Coz that would be unacceptable.

It really disturbs me that, as an agnostic, if and when I have children, I will probably have to send them to a religious private school in order for them to actually receive an education.

89 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:47:53pm

re: #82 iceweasel

Can you just imagine the editorial meeting?

"Everyone has this fly story! Clark, you and Lois have to find a new angle. And fast!"

WTF. Did nothing else happen in the world today?

nothing of importance.

90 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:48:09pm

re: #83 zombie

That's guy's like the most capitalistic capitalist I've ever seen!

Looks like it to me.

//Whistling

91 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:48:17pm

re: #68 Sharmuta

There is so much genius in Classical music that can pull you in.

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:48:19pm

KFC chicken giveaway beef headed toward court
Jun. 18, 2009 03:26 PM
Associated Press

NEW YORK - A couple of unhappy customers who missed out on a free grilled chicken meal at KFC after Oprah promoted it are taking their beef to court.

Two California residents who were unable to use an online coupon posted on Oprah Winfrey's Web site last month sued KFC owner Yum Brands Inc. in state court in Los Angeles on Wednesday.

They claim the fast-food company's grilled chicken giveaway was a "bait and switch" to get people to spend money at the chain.

For days after the posting began May 5, the company was swamped with customers craving the freebie, with lines snaking around the block and traffic jams.

93 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:48:21pm

re: #84 Fenway_Nation

That kid sick fuck in Miami made bail, which was set at something like $250,000.

I didn't hear about that story - which sick f**k are you referring to?

94 zombie  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:48:31pm

re: #62 Chicken Kiev

#51 zombie

Three words are all that ARE required

The undead must make their nouns and verbs agree.

We are exempt from grammatical rules. Not everyone knows that little detail. I cans spoke howsoever I choosed.

95 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:50:03pm

re: #88 ArchangelMichael

It really disturbs me that, as an agnostic, if and when I have children, I will probably have to send them to a religious private school in order for them to actually receive an education.

AND pay extra for the privilege of that better education, all your school taxes spent elsewhere.

96 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:50:19pm

re: #88 ArchangelMichael

It really disturbs me that, as an agnostic, if and when I have children, I will probably have to send them to a religious private school in order for them to actually receive an education.

that shouldn't bother you: unless you have to send them to a stridently religious school, they will have a chance to examine the subject in detail, and come to their own conclusion...

97 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:50:48pm

re: #94 zombie

We are exempt from grammatical rules. Not everyone knows that little detail. I cans spoke howsoever I choosed.

Isn't native zombie speech an agglutinative language with OVS order... oh no wait that's Klingon.

98 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:50:54pm

re: #65 zombie

The school seems to have "ism" on the brain.

Hey, I got an idea for them: How about math, reading and jumping jacks?

Nah -- that'll never work as an educational theory. We must have "privilege exercises" and "social justice studies" and "Tell Your Mommy the Last Check Bounced 101."

I remember the big gig last year in Berkeley- jr and HS students protested the protest ... guess that should have been a wake up call - I thot they would wake up - guess not.

99 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:50:55pm

re: #81 Bobibutu

RGR - I'm thinking of another "positive" conflagration for lizards at Walnut Creek this summer .. we had a great meet last year.

Walnut Creek?! I haven't been there since I was a hippie...

...not really, I just liked the clothes.

100 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:50:57pm

re: #93 Cygnus

The one who was arrested for torturing and skinning like...20 cats from different neighborhoods and leaving the remains back on the owners' property.

101 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:51:02pm

re: #91 BatGuano

There is so much genius in Classical music that can pull you in.

and yet, i've managed to miss most, if not all, of it...

102 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:51:16pm

re: #94 zombie

We are exempt from grammatical rules. Not everyone knows that little detail. I cans spoke howsoever I choosed.

LOLZombie - I Can Haz Brainz

103 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:52:07pm

re: #84 Fenway_Nation

That kid sick fuck in Miami made bail, which was set at something like $250,000.

Oh no. I can't believe it.

I understand that parents love their kids no matter what, but if I had a kid and he did something like that I hope I'd let him stay in jail.

104 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:52:48pm

re: #100 Fenway_Nation

The one who was arrested for torturing and skinning like...20 cats from different neighborhoods and leaving the remains back on the owners' property.

What a complete POS. I hope some of the cat owners get a chance to meet him in a dark alley one night.

105 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:52:57pm

re: #100 Fenway_Nation

The one who was arrested for torturing and skinning like...20 cats from different neighborhoods and leaving the remains back on the owners' property.

comment self deleted...

106 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:53:21pm

re: #100 Fenway_Nation

The one who was arrested for torturing and skinning like...20 cats from different neighborhoods and leaving the remains back on the owners' property.

Serial killer in the making. IMO

107 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:53:43pm

Now, time for a finger of Frangelico to cap off the evening, mmm,

108 Floral Giraffe  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:53:45pm

And the band played Waltzing Matilda.

Youtube Video

I do not know how or why I know this song, but I love it.

109 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:53:48pm

re: #103 iceweasel

Oh no. I can't believe it.

I understand that parents love their kids no matter what, but if I had a kid and he did something like that I hope I'd let him stay in jail.

if i had a kid like that, i'd be tempted to pull the plug myself.

110 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:55:12pm

re: #106 Pvt Bin Jammin

Serial killer in the making. IMO

poster child for retroactive birth control.

111 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:55:31pm

re: #99 Pvt Bin Jammin

Walnut Creek?! I haven't been there since I was a hippie...

...not really, I just liked the clothes.

WC is interesting - in (near) the belly of the beast yet a strong R group.

Still - they know what side their bread is buttered on.

112 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:55:39pm

re: #106 Pvt Bin Jammin

My first thought, too...

My second thought is that getting a slap-on-the-wrist sentence would only send the message to him that Hey! I got away with it...before graduating eventually to doing the same sick shit to kids.

113 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:55:44pm

A big hat tip to Gus for turning me on to this site where you can find out criminal activity in your neighborhood. Knowledge is power: [Link: criminalsearches.com...]

114 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:56:04pm

re: #96 redc1c4

that shouldn't bother you: unless you have to send them to a stridently religious school, they will have a chance to examine the subject in detail, and come to their own conclusion...

Based on my observations so far, around here there are 3 types of Christian religious schools.

1) Very liberal Catholic schools that are nearly as bad as public schools.
2) Evangelical Protestant schools that have textbooks from Answers in Genesis.
3) Fringe Catholic schools that aren't too keen on Vatican II and and take the kids on field trips to the ICR Museum, regardless of how many times the Pope says the YEC is wrong.

I don't know what other religions K-12 is like, and Islamic ones are right out anyway.

I don't trust myself to home school a child well enough to hope he/she could get into MIT.

115 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:56:25pm

re: #106 Pvt Bin Jammin

Serial killer in the making. IMO

Dauhmer started with animals.

116 Gus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:56:26pm

re: #113 MrPaulRevere

A big hat tip to Gus for turning me on to this site where you can find out criminal activity in your neighborhood. Knowledge is power: [Link: criminalsearches.com...]

Ah, didn't know they had that too. Nice.

117 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:57:30pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

I think some of the school shooters back in the '90s started with cats and dogs...

118 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:57:54pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

Dauhmer started with animals.

So did Jimmy Carter.

119 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:58:15pm

re: #110 redc1c4

poster child for retroactive birth control.

Indeed.

120 BatGuano  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:58:32pm

re: #101 redc1c4

and yet, i've managed to miss most, if not all, of it...

Do yourself a favor, start with the Baroque era, Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, etc., then Hayden, Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky (His 5th symphony and the 1812 Overture). You will thank me or curse me. :)

121 Floral Giraffe  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:58:40pm

re: #114 ArchangelMichael
I don't trust myself to home school a child well enough to hope he/she could get into MIT.

I do. You love them, you are well educated & you CARE!
Makes you better than any public or private school teacher out there.
Not that you want to take on the job. But PLEASE don't question your qualifications!

122 Cygnus  Thu, Jun 18, 2009 11:58:49pm

re: #117 Fenway_Nation

I think some of the school shooters back in the '90s started with cats and dogs...

Kind of like Renfield in Dracula. He started with flies, and then moved up the food chain to birds and started asking for a cat.

123 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:00:29am

re: #121 Floral Giraffe

I don't trust myself to home school a child well enough to hope he/she could get into MIT.

I do. You love them, you are well educated & you CARE!
Makes you better than any public or private school teacher out there.
Not that you want to take on the job. But PLEASE don't question your qualifications!

Thank you. I don't have a child yet but perhaps my self-image on the subject would change if and when I do.

124 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:02:06am

re: #120 BatGuano

Do yourself a favor, start with the Baroque era, Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, etc., then Hayden, Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky (His 5th symphony and the 1812 Overture). You will thank me or curse me. :)

Some good classical choral music:
Mozart 'Requiem'
Handel 'Messiah'
Mendelssohn 'Elijah'
Selections from Bach 'B Minor Mass' or Verdi 'Requiem' - both very long!

125 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:02:09am

re: #113 MrPaulRevere

A big hat tip to Gus for turning me on to this site where you can find out criminal activity in your neighborhood. Knowledge is power: [Link: criminalsearches.com...]

Gus has turned into one of our best researchers.

(well ...maybe he always was ...my respect for him has grown by leaps and bounds in these last few weeks)

Thanks, Gus.

126 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:02:11am

re: #101 redc1c4

Here's my current favorite...
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

He's playing a $3.5 million stradivarius in the Washington DC subway for a WaPo experiment. Beautiful music, he made $32 IIRC. Joshua Bell.

127 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:02:17am

re: #111 Bobibutu

WC is interesting - in (near) the belly of the beast yet a strong R group.

Still - they know what side their bread is buttered on.

Interesting. I probably wouln't have known anything about the demographics in those days but I really loved the town. Another favorite, Half Moon Bay. It was so remote in 1969. What's it like now?

128 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:02:36am

re: #114 ArchangelMichael

Document - document - document.

Keep a running document trail. Proves useful now and 20 - 30 years later.

Most records are purged after 20 years - legal requirement - get them while you can.

129 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:03:07am

re: #115 Sharmuta

Dauhmer started with animals.

I think any child who tortures animals is a big 'potential serial killer/maniac' warning flag and needs observation and therapy.

I wouldn't necessarily say this applies to killing insects though. I'm not in PETA.

130 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:03:22am

re: #123 ArchangelMichael

Thank you. I don't have a child yet but perhaps my self-image on the subject would change if and when I do.

A lot of homeschooling parents do wind up hiring individual tutors to supplement the areas they might be lacking, especially in math and science, as the kids hit high school age. A combination might work for you too.

131 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:03:44am

re: #125 pink freud

Gus has turned into one of our best researchers.

(well ...maybe he always was ...my respect for him has grown by leaps and bounds in these last few weeks)

Thanks, Gus.

You're welcome Pink Freud. I'm kind of blushing now. I've always had knack for gathering information. Probably started when I was a kid sending out for photographs to fighter squadrons. ;)

132 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:04:03am

re: #123 ArchangelMichael
TOTAL STATE BS that you can't teach a child. You can. You would, and you would be better than the state. If for no other reason, than you CARE about the child, enough to engage it's interests!

133 pat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:04:31am

I

f the river was whiskey and I was a duck,
I would dive down to the bottom and I would never come up
134 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:04:54am

re: #113 MrPaulRevere

A big hat tip to Gus for turning me on to this site where you can find out criminal activity in your neighborhood. Knowledge is power: [Link: criminalsearches.com...]

Is it just me, or does it strike anyone else as 100% wrong to have a banner featuring the registered sex offenders in one window on the left and a banner ad for some internet dating sight in a banner as in the righthand side of the window...

135 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:04:59am

re: #115 Sharmuta

Indeed he did. I am sorry for the parents of this kid but they need to wash their hands of him and he needs to go away.

136 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:05:53am

re: #124 Cygnus

OOOH! Handel's Water Music.
( Alway's sounds to me like
"I have a new barge, ain't it great, ooh, now I have fireworks too...")
I like the music!

137 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:06:14am

re: #129 ArchangelMichael

I think any child who tortures animals is a big 'potential serial killer/maniac' warning flag and needs observation and therapy.

I wouldn't necessarily say this applies to killing insects though. I'm not in PETA.

It has to do with hurting other beings that are weaker than us. I would put a child like this into therapy asap.

138 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:06:15am

Today in History, June 19th:

Click here for History Channel's "This Day in History" video for June 19th.

Highlights of this day in history: Slavery was banned in all United States territories; Civil Rights Act of 1964 passes after an 83-day filibuster; America's first male saint was cannonized; Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, who were convicted of conspiring to pass U.S. atomic secrets to the Soviets, are executed.

Other notable June 19th events include:

1846 – The first baseball game under recognizable modern rules is played in Hoboken, New Jersey, United States.

1865 – Over two years after the Emancipation Proclamation, slaves in Galveston, Texas, United States, are finally informed of their freedom. The anniversary is still officially celebrated in Texas and 13 other contiguous states as Juneteenth.

1870 – After all of the Southern States are formally readmitted to the United States, the Confederate States of America ceases to exist.

1910 – The first Father's Day is celebrated in Spokane, Washington.

1961 – Kuwait declares independence from the United Kingdom.

139 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:06:37am

re: #124 Cygnus

Familiar with all but "Elijah". Will rectify that.

140 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:07:15am

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

Is it just me, or does it strike anyone else as 100% wrong to have a banner featuring the registered sex offenders in one window on the left and a banner ad for some internet dating sight in a banner as in the righthand side of the window...

It's probably one of those "auto generated" deals. I'm getting People Finders.

141 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:07:17am

re: #124 Cygnus

Some good classical choral music:
Mozart 'Requiem'
Handel 'Messiah'
Mendelssohn 'Elijah'
Selections from Bach 'B Minor Mass' or Verdi 'Requiem' - both very long!

I have always been partial to the chamber music, more "hip".

142 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:07:47am

re: #136 Floral Giraffe

OOOH! Handel's Water Music.
( Alway's sounds to me like
"I have a new barge, ain't it great, ooh, now I have fireworks too...")
I like the music!

Love the Water Music!

143 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:07:48am

re: #127 Pvt Bin Jammin

Interesting. I probably wouln't have known anything about the demographics in those days but I really loved the town. Another favorite, Half Moon Bay. It was so remote in 1969. What's it like now?

HMB is still exotic - tho like all others the uniqueness has faded. Ya gotta mean to get there if ya want to be there - (not on a freeway overpass off ramp) - great restaurants - why would you go there otherwise? ;-)

144 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:09:11am

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

Love the photo of her with only bandoliers of baby carrots for a top!

/though those aren't baby carrots!

145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:09:15am

re: #138 gmsc

1961 – Kuwait declares independence from the United Kingdom.

And 30 years later Saddam Hussein got "hungry" for a deep water port.

146 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:09:25am

re: #135 Pvt Bin Jammin

Indeed he did. I am sorry for the parents of this kid but they need to wash their hands of him and he needs to go away.

He's probably a darwinist. ///

147 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:10:11am

re: #146 Sharmuta

He's probably a darwinist. ///

/Rimshot

148 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:10:20am

re: #144 freetoken

Love the photo of her with only bandoliers of baby carrots for a top!

/though those aren't baby carrots!

Looks like you and I are the only two people who noticed the pic and caption. Sad, ain't it. ;)

149 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:10:21am

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

Tis the way of the Google ads. Keyword driven. Move on, life is short & they're paying Mr. Johnson some pennies. So you are not being asked to contribute! A good thing! ( Ends Marfa Stewart channelling!)
LOL!

150 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:10:24am

re: #139 BatGuano

Familiar with all but "Elijah". Will rectify that.

Our choir did the Verdi 'Requiem' a couple of years ago. Awesome!

151 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:10:54am

re: #111 Bobibutu

WC is interesting - in (near) the belly of the beast yet a strong R group.

Still - they know what side their bread is buttered on.

and right near Danville...

/memories

152 I Need A Bigger Gun  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:11:14am

Hey Barbara Boxer, for all of my fellow veterans, past and present, I must tell you: go fuck yourself. But I say that with all of the respect you deserve. Ma'm.

153 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:11:50am

re: #126 Floral Giraffe

Here's my current favorite...
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

He's playing a $3.5 million stradivarius in the Washington DC subway for a WaPo experiment. Beautiful music, he made $32 IIRC. Joshua Bell.

Incredibly gutsy of him to bring his Strad into a subway station. Thank God he wasn't mugged or had his violin damaged.

154 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:12:28am

re: #11 Sharmuta

And, since I was watching Eyes Wide Shut last night... here is the original of the theme song:

Youtube Video
155 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:13:06am

re: #115 Sharmuta

Dauhmer started with animals.

And it wasn't only Dahmer. Many serial killers do. In Dahmer's case his father was a chemist, and Dahmer was fascinated with roadkill and skeletons. For a long time his family convinced themselves it was some kind of 'scientific' interest...until someone in the neighbourhood found a little shrine he had in the woods, with pets' heads on stakes. He was only around 12 and no one could prove it was his, but they suspected.

Researchers call it the homicidal triad: 1) bedwetting until a very late age, 2) starting fires, and 3) killing or torturing animals. A really shockingly high percentage of serial killers and psychopaths have all 3 in their background.

Hurting or killing animals is the biggest flag, for obvious reasons. Many little kids might burn ants with a magnifying glass or pull wings off flies, but trapping and hurting (and maybe killing) other animals, especially pets, is a sign of someone sadistic.

The firestarting has to be taken into context; it doesn't mean starting a small fire or two (lots of kids, especially boys, do that) but repeatedly setting them.

Same with the bedwetting. Not merely having accidents, but having them up until 11, 12. Or even doing it every night at 7,8,9. That sort of thing.

/yes, I'm morbidly interested in this topic.

156 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:13:52am

re: #151 redc1c4

and right near Danville...

/memories

YOU TOO!

157 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:13:58am

re: #113 MrPaulRevere

A big hat tip to Gus for turning me on to this site where you can find out criminal activity in your neighborhood. Knowledge is power: [Link: criminalsearches.com...]

2 sex offenders within 1 mile of my house, but there have always been 2 since the database has gone up. One of them moved out of the area and was replaced by a new one.

Back when I was in high school, way before internet lookups, a nut lived 2 houses down from me. One day my neighbor came home from work during lunch to pickup some papers she forgot, and found this guy, her neighbor on the other side from my parents house, in her bedroom smelling her undergarments. So she freaked out (obviously), and went another two houses down from her, to the FBI agent who lived on the street. End of problem. Never heard anything about that nutbar again. His wife grabbed their kids and moved out that evening.

158 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:14:12am

re: #143 Bobibutu

HMB is still exotic - tho like all others the uniqueness has faded. Ya gotta mean to get there if ya want to be there - (not on a freeway overpass off ramp) - great restaurants - why would you go there otherwise? ;-)

I was just a poor "hippie" electronics manufacturing order service gal back in the day. We drove up from Santa Clara and had picnics on the beach. I would so like to check out the restaurants now. Time for a road trip.re: #151 redc1c4

and right near Danville...

/memories

You lived up that way too? What in the hell are we doing living down south? I miss that area.

159 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:15:07am

G'night all. Enjoy the fruitcup.

160 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:15:17am

re: #120 BatGuano

Do yourself a favor, start with the Baroque era, Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, etc., then Hayden, Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky (His 5th symphony and the 1812 Overture). You will thank me or curse me. :)

i'm up for the cannon part of 1812, but as for the rest of it all, i was exposed, early, often, and whether i wanted to be or not, at an early age, for many years.

i'm underwhelmed by it all.

161 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:15:44am

re: #138 gmsc

1967- BatGuano discovers girls. He doesn't know what do, but damn...!

162 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:16:18am

re: #157 ArchangelMichael

2 sex offenders within 1 mile of my house, but there have always been 2 since the database has gone up.

24 within 5 miles for me, all with the same last known address. WA State screwed the pooch, it looks like, or there is some legal shield law.

163 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:16:45am

re: #158 Pvt Bin Jammin

You lived up that way too? What in the hell are we doing living down south? I miss that area.

Danville is having their annual festival gig this weekend.

I guess we are going to miss you!

164 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:18:02am

re: #120 BatGuano

Do yourself a favor, start with the Baroque era, Bach, Handel, Vivaldi, etc., then Hayden, Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky (His 5th symphony and the 1812 Overture). You will thank me or curse me. :)

OK, it's not as old as some classical music, but Sir Edward Elgar's Pomp & Circumstance is good, too:

Youtube Video
165 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:18:03am

re: #155 iceweasel

Why bed wetting, I wonder? It's more a physical issue than psychological.

166 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:18:10am

re: #160 redc1c4

i'm up for the cannon part of 1812, but as for the rest of it all, i was exposed, early, often, and whether i wanted to be or not, at an early age, for many years.

i'm underwhelmed by it all.

Ever see the movie Amadeus? One of the best ways to immerse yourself into the classics and have a wonderfully perverse drama as well.

If you haven't seen it, or have only seen the theatrical release, do get the director's cut if at all possible.

167 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:18:12am

re: #160 redc1c4

i'm up for the cannon part of 1812, but as for the rest of it all, i was exposed, early, often, and whether i wanted to be or not, at an early age, for many years.

i'm underwhelmed by it all.

No problem. There are 14 cannon shots in the 1812, and that makes it worthwhile.

168 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:18:13am

Sharm, this is for you.

I became aware of your grandfather's situation a few days ago. When I first read your posts I could feel your pain ...and thoughts of my grandmother came rushing back to me. I remembered things of her I haven't thought of in years ... how she was in the nursing home in the last few months before she died, how frail she had become and how robust and strong she had always been. I loved her so dearly; she is part of my earliest memories.

These last few days, because you have shared with us about your grandfather, she has been with me constantly. I want you to know what you have given me -- that even through your pain you have brought some light into my life by triggering those memories.

She was 94 when she died. To this day, she remains the shining example to me of what a fine southern lady should be.

Thank you for bringing her to the forefront of my mind to be with me these last few days.

169 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:19:17am

re: #136 Floral Giraffe

OOOH! Handel's Water Music.
( Alway's sounds to me like
"I have a new barge, ain't it great, ooh, now I have fireworks too...")
I like the music!

meet the new barge, same as the old barge...

170 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:19:20am

re: #162 FurryOldGuyJeans

24 within 5 miles for me, all with the same last known address. WA State screwed the pooch, it looks like, or there is some legal shield law.

Might be what I call a 'sex offender clown house' (as in like a clown car from a circus with 20 clowns squeezed in it) or some thing like that. I know they have them in CA. Sort of like half-way houses, someone "rents" a home or apt complex to the state to house them. I hear many horror stories about some of them being illegally too close to elementary schools.

171 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:19:37am

re: #163 Bobibutu

How fun. Wish I could be there. I like my little funky so cal town now but my heart is in no calif.

172 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:19:41am

{pink}

173 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:19:46am

One of the great classics of moonbattery is on the comeback - denying man made it to the moon!

Yes, really. The following link has been making the rounds of the photo boards/websites:

[Link: www.geschichteinchronologie.ch...]

That guy is sure that the moon landings were faked, based upon the camera supposedly used.

174 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:20:43am

re: #131 Gus 802

You're welcome Pink Freud. I'm kind of blushing now. I've always had knack for gathering information. Probably started when I was a kid sending out for photographs to fighter squadrons. ;)

I'm the same way, Gus. I consider myself a kick-ass researcher (remember that night I found that domain registered to JBS?) but you've found some really obscure stuff recently.

175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:21:01am

re: #170 ArchangelMichael

Might be what I call a 'sex offender clown house' (as in like a clown car from a circus with 20 clowns squeezed in it) or some thing like that. I know they have them in CA. Sort of like half-way houses, someone "rents" a home or apt complex to the state to house them. I hear many horror stories about some of them being illegally too close to elementary schools.

The address is not in a residential area, businesses only. And a grade school several blocks away.

176 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:21:08am

re: #158 Pvt Bin Jammin

While the corp upscales have moved in - the locals still have the upper hand. Quality vs quantity. Liberal the majority may be - they still appreciate uniqueness.

177 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:21:22am

re: #173 freetoken

One of the great classics of moonbattery is on the comeback - denying man made it to the moon!

Yes, really. The following link has been making the rounds of the photo boards/websites:

[Link: www.geschichteinchronologie.ch...]

That guy is sure that the moon landings were faked, based upon the camera supposedly used.

Maybe we can get Buzz Aldrin to punch that guy out too. I'd pay good money to see that.

178 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:21:23am

re: #162 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does it spell out anything when you look at it from the map?

179 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:21:39am

re: #133 pat

Hey you. :-)

180 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:22:40am

re: #177 ArchangelMichael

Maybe we can get Buzz Aldrin to punch that guy out too. I'd pay good money to see that.

Buzz would be happy to do it for free, he's that kind of guy. ;)

181 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:23:15am

re: #178 Fenway_Nation

Does it spell out anything when you look at it from the map?

No.

182 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:24:10am

re: #174 pink freud

I'm the same way, Gus. I consider myself a kick-ass researcher (remember that night I found that domain registered to JBS?) but you've found some really obscure stuff recently.

Some of the tricks on the internet is using phrases or names in quotes. Then there's the specific site search which is site:website dot com and you add the specific item you're searching for.

183 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:24:11am

re: #169 redc1c4

meet the new barge, same as the old barge...

King had the fireworks, too...
I'm just saying!
///

184 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:25:37am

re: #165 Sharmuta

Why bed wetting, I wonder? It's more a physical issue than psychological.

I really am not sure what the reason is for including late bedwetting. I think it has to be that this particular kind of late bedwetting is linked not to anything physiological but to some kinds of psychological disturbance.

Or it might just be included because it happens to be correlated with the others statistically. When they did these studies they originally took a lot of other demo detail from the offenders. So there are lots of other factors that tend to cluster (parental situations, and more) -- but these are the three that are sometimes also called the "offender triad": they're considered to be childhood behaviours that are indicators.

For example, a lot of these guys have alcoholism or child abuse or worse in their family histories, but that's not considered relevant to prediction, because LOTS of people have bad family histories and they don't turn into animals like these guys.

On the other hand, almost without fail, a child who shows all 3 of those behaviours is going to be trouble-- and that's true even when he has teh best family and the best opportunities in the world.

185 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:25:50am

re: #171 Pvt Bin Jammin

How fun. Wish I could be there. I like my little funky so cal town now but my heart is in no calif.

Ha! Blessings upon ya. Our hearts are where they belong. We know what's right.

WTH are you doing down there?

Well there are some quaint stories - like in Hemet? The last bank robbery on horseback. Now that is a hoot.

186 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:26:15am

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have always been partial to the chamber music, more "hip".

i've always been partial to skin debriedment... it's more enjoyable.

187 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:27:15am

re: #186 redc1c4

LOL!

188 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:27:49am

re: #186 redc1c4

Road rash?

189 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:28:04am

Goodnight, lizards. I leave you with one of my favorite classicals:

Youtube Video
190 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:28:13am

re: #162 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well I double checked the site again, the 3rd one is still there, he was just farther out than I was zoomed and didn't show up until I zoomed out a little.

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:28:19am

re: #186 redc1c4

i've always been partial to skin debriedment... it's more enjoyable.

Ok, if you insist.

192 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:28:23am

re: #188 Floral Giraffe

Road rash?

...and carpets too. ;-)

193 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:28:36am

re: #189 Pvt Bin Jammin

Nite - sleep well.

194 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:28:47am

re: #184 iceweasel

Could be they feel shame in their bed wetting and that leads to a feeling of powerlessness they feel they regain in hurting something weaker than them?

195 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:28:52am

re: #189 Pvt Bin Jammin

Goodnight, PBJ! Sleep well.

196 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:29:26am

re: #189 Pvt Bin Jammin

Bye PB&J!

197 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:30:07am

re: #189 Pvt Bin Jammin

Goodnight PBJ. Thanks for the Perlman.

198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:31:55am

3 fingers of Frangelico and it's time for bed.

199 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:32:42am

Have a great day tomorrow lizards.

200 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:33:15am

re: #189 Pvt Bin Jammin

Goodnight, lizards. I leave you with one of my favorite classicals:


[Video]

Damn! If only I could have seen this when my g'ma was trying to pound this into my head. - and she gave me my granddads violin.

201 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:33:35am

re: #199 Pvt Bin Jammin

thx PBJ - good dreams!

202 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:33:46am

re: #199 Pvt Bin Jammin

Have a great day tomorrow lizards.

G'Nite, PBJ!

203 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:34:31am

Just a few words on serial killers, Sharm ...it's a biological, not environmental, etiology. Nature, not nurture. And they can't be "cured".

204 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:34:55am

re: #200 Bobibutu

Grandma's know best!

205 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:35:04am

Howdy, gmsc! How are you this fine evening?

206 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:35:13am

re: #194 Sharmuta

Could be they feel shame in their bed wetting and that leads to a feeling of powerlessness they feel they regain in hurting something weaker than them?

I really don't know-- I just googled homicidal triad, and located this:

But how did they become predators? you may ask. Typically, a significant part of the developmental process of persons showing very violent, antisocial tendencies is the so-called homicidal triad, consisting of enuresis - or bed-wetting - at an inappropriate age, cruelty to small children and/or animals, and fire starting, which suggest an underlying frustration with lack of control (The Anatomy of Motive, Douglas, J.E., Olshaker, M.).

So it looks like your instincts are spot-on-- According to this the underlying motive has to do with frustration, lacking control, and needing to regain power.

The link says it's a study that appeared in Basel University's law journal and was translated into English--
[Link: www.criminalprofiling.ch...]

But I also recognise the citation, and the JE Douglas they cite is the former head of the FBI Behavioural Science Unit- the profiling guys.

Looks like you nailed it!

207 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:35:38am

re: #198 FurryOldGuyJeans

3 fingers of Frangelico and it's time for bed.

Goodnight, FOGJ, I will see you tomorrow. :-)

Sleep well.

208 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:36:10am

re: #205 pink freud

Howdy, gmsc! How are you this fine evening?

Yeah, you are so elusive these days.

209 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:36:26am

re: #205 pink freud

Howdy, gmsc! How are you this fine evening?

Hello, pink!

After a 3-hour calamity of a trip home on the bus, I'm just fine.

210 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:36:58am

Speaking of moonbattery... the Beckians keep edging closer and closer to the edge. I could cut and paste various posts from their 912 forum... but I've done that so much here I fear the lizards are getting tired of it.

The paranoia is thick over there.

211 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:37:28am

re: #203 pink freud

Just a few words on serial killers, Sharm ...it's a biological, not environmental, etiology. Nature, not nurture. And they can't be "cured".

There's been a hunt on for a purely biological etiology. Some recent suggestions have included a rare condition involving a double Y chromosone; another suggests frontal lobe damage.

So far, all the evidence is inconclusive at best.

212 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:38:07am

re: #208 BatGuano

Yeah, you are so elusive these days.

gmsc - international man of mystery!
;)

213 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:38:16am

re: #209 gmsc

Hello, pink!

After a 3-hour calamity of a trip home on the bus, I'm just fine.

Well that doesn't sound pleasant at all. I'm glad you made it home ok and doing better now. :-)

214 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:38:45am

re: #210 freetoken

Speaking of moonbattery... the Beckians keep edging closer and closer to the edge. I could cut and paste various posts from their 912 forum... but I've done that so much here I fear the lizards are getting tired of it.

The paranoia is thick over there.

That doesn't stop Killgore. :p

215 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:39:28am

re: #213 pink freud

Well that doesn't sound pleasant at all. I'm glad you made it home ok and doing better now. :-)

It wasn't, so the first thing I did was come here and post, in an attempt to return to normalcy.

216 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:39:46am

re: #211 iceweasel

There's been a hunt on for a purely biological etiology. Some recent suggestions have included a rare condition involving a double Y chromosone; another suggests frontal lobe damage.

So far, all the evidence is inconclusive at best.

Maybe they're just broken?

217 Kulhwch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:39:49am
— Theodore Roethke, “My Papa’s Waltz”

Wow, poet of my homeland (Saginaw, MI), which I just visited a few days ago.  Sadly, the old Roethke Flowers on Michigan Ave., there is no longer, but I remember it well.

}:)     [Back from a sad old trip, glad to be here again fellow lizards.]

218 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:39:54am

re: #210 freetoken

Speaking of moonbattery... the Beckians keep edging closer and closer to the edge. I could cut and paste various posts from their 912 forum... but I've done that so much here I fear the lizards are getting tired of it.

The paranoia is thick over there.

I can't speak for others, but I know I always enjoy your posts. Plus it saves me from having to go over there and look for them!

219 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:39:55am

Yikes. Problems with re-connecting to LGF.

220 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:39:59am

re: #200 Bobibutu

Damn! If only I could have seen this when my g'ma was trying to pound this into my head. - and she gave me my granddads violin.

Our daughter performed this (all three movements) I know every note front listening to her practice. LOL. She started violin in the fourth grade. She had a cheap chinese violin at first but my mom bought her a good one before she died of cancer. Our daughter aspired to this piece and I don't blame her. She still has the violin but doesn't play too much now. One can hope. Sixteen years of lessons.

Worthwhile to listen to all three movements. "Scottish Fantasy" is also a good Bruch piece.

I am really going to bed now.

221 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:40:09am

re: #215 gmsc

It wasn't, so the first thing I did was come here and post, in an attempt to return to normalcy.

I know *exactly* what you mean!

222 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:40:21am

re: #204 BatGuano

Grandma's know best!

And we awake to that so much later.

223 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:40:30am

World's shortest horror movie

224 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:41:49am

Wayward cows leave Mass. farm, walk 5 miles to NH
AP
Thu Jun 18, 9:13 pm ET

NASHUA, N.H. – Two wayward cows decided to abandon their Massachusetts farm and walk at least five miles into New Hampshire, generating 911 calls from drivers. Nashua Deputy Fire Chief Michael O'Brien said he and his partner spent 45 minutes with ropes in hand trying to chase down the cows Tuesday, WMUR reported.

225 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:42:16am

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wayward cows leave Mass. farm, walk 5 miles to NH
AP
Thu Jun 18, 9:13 pm ET

They must have the same bus system as Las Vegas.

226 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:42:42am

re: #203 pink freud

Just a few words on serial killers, Sharm ...it's a biological, not environmental, etiology. Nature, not nurture. And they can't be "cured".

sure they can... 230 grains of CuPb injected intracranially results in a 100% cure rate: no one so treated has ever gone on to commit more crimes.

227 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:43:04am

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wayward cows leave Mass. farm, walk 5 miles to NH
AP
Thu Jun 18, 9:13 pm ET

There. Don't you feel better, gmsc? ;-)

228 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:43:19am

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wayward cows leave Mass. farm, walk 5 miles to NH
AP
Thu Jun 18, 9:13 pm ET

Taxes are lower in New Hampshire.

229 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:43:25am

re: #225 gmsc

They must have the same bus system as Las Vegas.

LOL!

230 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:44:03am

re: #223 redc1c4

World's shortest horror movie

Not up to:

Youtube Video

Bambi Meets Godzilla

231 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:44:20am

re: #216 Floral Giraffe

Maybe they're just broken?

Yes, exactly. They're broken and no one quite understands exactly how or why.

The best consensus now is that they have some underlying condition, we know not what, that they're born with. (they're born without a conscience, basically).
Then some confluence of environmental factors influences them as well. For some it's a fucked up childhood, for some it's something else.

Pink is absolutely right to state they can't be cured; that is the one certainty about them.

In the case of serial killers, some kind of morbid fusing of the sexual drive and the aggressive drive happens very young. It can't ever be uncoupled.

Some of the stuff I've read on it is very disturbing. It's like some of them were destined to be this way, because even at the age of 3 they were engaging in behaviours that suggested a deep pathology--and even prefigured the crimes they'd commit.

232 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:44:21am

re: #210 freetoken

Speaking of moonbattery... the Beckians keep edging closer and closer to the edge. I could cut and paste various posts from their 912 forum... but I've done that so much here I fear the lizards are getting tired of it.

The paranoia is thick over there.

I'm a member of a service for stocks/options/forex traders, etc and despite the fact that most of them are financial geniuses (and this is the sole thing that keeps me there), they all seem to be complete Paulian whackjobs about everything else other than trading and the markets.

I hear the most outlandish and asinine bullshit from their forums, mailing lists, etc. on a daily basis. I don't know whether to laugh or cry most of the time. People are really becoming unhinged and it gets worse everyday.

233 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:44:49am

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wayward cows leave Mass. farm, walk 5 miles to NH
AP
Thu Jun 18, 9:13 pm ET

So, you saw the gates open & kept going?
///
;)

234 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:45:17am

Well...while there seems to be a lull, I'll take a look at today's international markets;

Fenway's (semi)Nightly Precious Metals update:

Gold- $934.40 an ounce (up 0.2%)
Silver- $14.25 an ounce (up 0.4%)
Palladium- $240 an ounce (up 0.4%)
Platinum- $1207 an ounce (up 0.5%)
Rhodium- $1337.50 an ounce (down 1.7%)

235 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:45:45am

re: #224 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wayward cows leave Mass. farm, walk 5 miles to NH
AP
Thu Jun 18, 9:13 pm ET

They wanted to move to the "Live Free or Die" state.

Either that or they were really headed for Hayward, CA.

//

236 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:46:09am

re: #235 Gus 802

They wanted to move to the "Live Free or Die" state.

Either that or they were really headed for Hayward, CA.

//

Those were not happy cows.

237 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:46:40am

re: #231 iceweasel

It's really sad.
Imagine if your kid was one of these.
You'd love them anyway.

238 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:46:45am

re: #236 FurryOldGuyJeans

Those were not happy cows.

Disgruntled cows. //

239 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:47:35am

re: #238 Gus 802

They decided to hoof it...

240 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:48:32am

re: #239 Fenway_Nation

They decided to hoof it...

They thought it was a bunch of bull.

241 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:49:09am

re: #239 Fenway_Nation

They decided to hoof it...

At least they didn't milk it.

242 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:49:29am

re: #238 Gus 802

Disgruntled cows. //

Happy cows come from California.
Or so says the advertising...
CHEESE!

243 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:49:52am

re: #241 Gus 802

Wonder what their beef was...

244 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:50:24am

re: #242 Floral Giraffe

Happy cows come from California.
Or so says the advertising...
CHEESE!

It's probably the California Cow Unions. =]

245 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:51:10am

re: #243 Fenway_Nation

Wonder what their beef was...

They thought that were being buffaloed.

246 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:51:34am

re: #234 Fenway_Nation

What's your take on gold creeping back up near 1K? Last week I saw it take a +22 in one day ...but it's been steadily declining since. Eensy gains.

247 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:51:48am

I think we're being bullshitted...

248 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:52:27am

re: #247 Sharmuta

I think we're being bullshitted...

We will not be cowed!

249 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:52:29am

re: #235 Gus 802

They wanted to move to the "Live Free or Die" state.

Either that or they were really headed for Hayward, CA.

//

Are those the only two puns you could milk that for, Gus? ;-)

250 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:52:34am

re: #247 Sharmuta

I think we're being bullshitted...

BIG PUN IS RIPPING US OFF!

251 Floral Giraffe  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:53:09am

I hope & pray that the late night Lizards can save the world!
Do your part, think DEEP thoughts and share them!
LOL!
Time for me to go "listen to my pillow".
It holds the secrets of the world!

Night all, thanks for the fun.

252 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:53:38am

re: #218 iceweasel

I can't speak for others, but I know I always enjoy your posts. Plus it saves me from having to go over there and look for them!

Well, thanks, but you are likely in the minority on LGF (on many things, probably.)

The Beckians are nothing but the updated version of the Birchers, with a dose of Mormonism (courtesy of Skouse.)

253 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:54:03am

Udderly crazy

254 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:54:03am

re: #249 pink freud

Are those the only two puns you could milk that for, Gus? ;-)

'Fraid so. Woke up from another nap before and didn't have any coffee. Just hot chocolate and later some shrimp.

Uh oh. Chocolate and shrimp.

//My name is Forrest Gus.

255 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:54:20am

re: #251 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight, checkered capybara! Sweet dreams. :-)

256 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:54:33am

re: #251 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight, Floral Giraffe

257 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:54:45am

re: #237 Floral Giraffe

It's really sad.
Imagine if your kid was one of these.
You'd love them anyway.

That's what I was thinking up above, when people were talking about the cat killer...

In general I feel so sorry for the families of these people. Some of them had awful families who don't care about them at all, but so many more have families that love them and don't want to believe they've done anything wrong. I can't begin to imagine their pain.

I always think of the BTK Killer, remember him? His poor wife and his kids were all the subject of vicious rumours and attacks that they "had" to know-- not only did she divorce him but I think she and the kids had to change their names, people hated them so much.

The bottom line really is that sociopaths always destroy everyone they come into contact with, even if they're not serial killers or physically violent: they wreck their own families, they cause havoc at work, at home, they have a compulsion to destroy.

Robert Hare's book "Without Conscience" is one of the best things to read about sociopathy/psychopathology, for those interested.

258 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:54:46am

re: #251 Floral Giraffe

I hope & pray that the late night Lizards can save the world!
Do your part, think DEEP thoughts and share them!
LOL!
Time for me to go "listen to my pillow".
It holds the secrets of the world!

Night all, thanks for the fun.

Hasta later.

259 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:55:02am

Nite all ... sweet dreams,

260 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:55:02am

re: #237 Floral Giraffe

It's really sad.
Imagine if your kid was one of these.
You'd love them anyway.

Dexter

261 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:55:05am

G'Nite, FG!

262 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:55:22am

re: #259 Bobibutu

Nite all ... sweet dreams,

...and sleep well, Bobibutu!

263 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:55:31am

Whoops! Good night floral giraffe!

264 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:56:24am

re: #248 Gus 802

We will not be cowed!

i herd that!

265 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:56:37am

re: #254 Gus 802

Believe it or not, Gus ...the kid came in a couple of hours ago and we've just finished pulling everything off of the pit. Sausage, boudin, chicken, steak.

/this is what it's like to have an always-hungry 19 year old

266 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:56:57am

re: #232 ArchangelMichael

People are really becoming unhinged and it gets worse everyday.

It does seem that way, doesn't it?

And then, when somebody like Charles likes to bring light to this... he gets railed upon by the true believers, as if their incoherent rants somehow disprove the assertion that they're going over the edge!

267 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:56:58am

Fenway's (Kinda Sorta)Nightly Overseas Market Update:

Australia's All Ordinaries- up 0.18%

Shanghai Composite- up 0.93%

Mumbai's SENSEX- up 0.72%

Nikkei- up 0.85%

Taiwan Weighted- up 1.41%

Johannesburg's JSE Limited- down 0.06%

Singapore's Straits Times- up 1.3%

New Zealand's NZSE50- down 0.5%

KOPSI Seoul Composite- up 0.55%

Tel Aviv's TA-100- down 0.16%

Hang Seng- up 0.99%

268 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:57:14am

re: #259 Bobibutu

Goodnight BoBi

269 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:57:42am

re: #259 Bobibutu

Goodnight, friend. Sleep well.

270 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:58:06am

re: #251 Floral Giraffe

Bye bye polka-dot potamus!

271 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:58:29am

re: #265 pink freud

Believe it or not, Gus ...the kid came in a couple of hours ago and we've just finished pulling everything off of the pit. Sausage, boudin, chicken, steak.

/this is what it's like to have an always-hungry 19 year old

sausage? boudin? where's mine?

272 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:58:35am

re: #265 pink freud

Believe it or not, Gus ...the kid came in a couple of hours ago and we've just finished pulling everything off of the pit. Sausage, boudin, chicken, steak.

/this is what it's like to have an always-hungry 19 year old

Wow. That's like a feast. They say the constant hunger doesn't end until one is around 23 years old.

273 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 12:59:49am

re: #266 freetoken

It does seem that way, doesn't it?

And then, when somebody like Charles likes to bring light to this... he gets railed upon by the true believers, as if their incoherent rants somehow disprove the assertion that they're going over the edge!

I do enjoy the irony of that. It's too bad Charles becomes their target though. Number one on their Hate Parade.

274 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:00:19am

Good deal right now - Audible.com, an audio book producer for a wide variety of MP3 and AAC players, has brought back their free audiobook offer for new members!

Last time they did this, I joined and selected the unabridged version Atlas Shrugged as my free audio book, saving $75 in the process!

275 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:00:29am

re: #246 pink freud

It's possible- almost inevitable that gold's going to go back to the $1K mark this year, but I still think it's going to decline back to the mid 800s before doing so- maybe even a little lower if more hedge funds deleverage simultaneously like they did last year...

/dropped all the way down to the high $600s when the actual bullion was in short supply, ironically.

276 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:00:37am

BTW, I put up in the spin-offs a couple of links discussing a new paper that contends that Humans are more closely related (evolutionarily) to Orangutans, not chimps.

Not a new idea, but the latest paper is an attempt to thoroughly buttress the idea.

Sure to cause controversy and noise in the science-blogs (and probably the creation blogs.) Newscientist has already picked up on it.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:04:01am

re: #88 ArchangelMichael

It really disturbs me that, as an agnostic, if and when I have children, I will probably have to send them to a religious private school in order for them to actually receive an education.

Nonsense. Lots of good public schools left. Choose wisely, and you'll be fine.

OTOH, we in Catholic education have a lot to offer, and we're pretty good with the children of agnostics. We can instill guilt without actual belief.

278 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:04:21am

re: #274 gmsc

Everyone should hear/read Atlas shrugged.

279 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:04:40am

re: #271 redc1c4

sausage? boudin? where's mine?

If i were heading that way to see Bobi, I could drop some off!

280 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:05:30am

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

snork...

the Jews invented guilt, but the Catholics perfected it.

(or is that vice versa? %-)

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:05:33am

re: #103 iceweasel

Oh no. I can't believe it.

I understand that parents love their kids no matter what, but if I had a kid and he did something like that I hope I'd let him stay in jail.

I would. But then again, given my family, he'd probably be safer in jail than at home. We're kind of sentimental about animals.

282 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:05:42am

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

Nonsense. Lots of good public schools left. Choose wisely, and you'll be fine.

OTOH, we in Catholic education have a lot to offer, and we're pretty good with the children of agnostics. We can instill guilt without actual belief.

Some might say that the primary purpose of a Catholic education is to install guilt. :)

(Kidding, mostly. Been there, know that)

283 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:05:51am

re: #272 Gus 802

Wow. That's like a feast. They say the constant hunger doesn't end until one is around 23 years old.

I made lots extra ...leftovers never go to waste here.

284 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:06:08am

re: #275 Fenway_Nation

It's possible- almost inevitable that gold's going to go back to the $1K mark this year, but I still think it's going to decline back to the mid 800s before doing so- maybe even a little lower if more hedge funds deleverage simultaneously like they did last year...

/dropped all the way down to the high $600s when the actual bullion was in short supply, ironically.

I agree with the 800ish call there too. I'm looking to buy back into gold positions at that time. That drop to the 600s I think was caused by Hedge Funds and Banks shorting the hell out of gold and silver. There was a 2 month waiting list to buy silver coins at the time from some dealers, but the price dropped under $10/ounce.

285 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:06:35am

re: #279 pink freud

If i were heading that way to see Bobi, I could drop some off!

IIRC, you're South Bay: for that sort of thing, i'll brave the 4 or 5 hour freeway...

(actually, i'll take the side streets, but you know what i mean %-)

286 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:07:03am

re: #280 redc1c4

snork...

the Jews invented guilt, but the Catholics perfected it.

(or is that vice versa? %-)

I think they're tied!

287 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:07:46am

re: #286 iceweasel

I think they're tied!

that'd be a good fit.

288 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:07:51am

re: #284 ArchangelMichael

I vividly remember when 1oz Krugerrands went for less than $800 and a 1oz Silver Philharmonic went for just over $11- this includes the markup.

/it was right before Christmas

289 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:08:00am

re: #283 pink freud

I made lots extra ...leftovers never go to waste here.

That's good. I like to get the brats or Italian sausage from Safeway. Boil them first then a quick browning with either butter or olive oil with onions and chopped garlic.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:09:22am

re: #104 Cygnus

What a complete POS. I hope some of the cat owners get a chance to meet him in a dark alley one night.

My husband's comment: wonder how long before he progresses to people.

291 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:10:02am

I'm gonna skip the Muslim nations markets, since most of them are closed today...

292 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:10:32am

re: #291 Fenway_Nation

and I'm lazy


AND I've been breaking into the Bacardi...

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:11:39am

re: #111 Bobibutu

WC is interesting - in (near) the belly of the beast yet a strong R group.

Still - they know what side their bread is buttered on.

Some years ago a friend of a friend of mine suffered a sort of breakdown after a bad breakup, and became convinced that she needed to date only white men in the future, which would protect her from any further heartache with black men. She promptly moved to Walnut Creek, because she figured there'd be white men there.

Yes, she eventually got fixed. Also met a nice guy in Walnut Creek. It was a very strange way to meet a husband, though.

294 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:12:09am

re: #289 Gus 802

That's good. I like to get the brats or Italian sausage from Safeway. Boil them first then a quick browning with either butter or olive oil with onions and chopped garlic.

Now Gus, you're going to turn this into a food thread, and I'm not so sure that's a good idea. Mandy's not here, neither is Jewels, neither is the cookbook goddess Reine to scoop up all the good ideas.

Plus, I'd have to start on about my etouffee. :-)

295 sagehen  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:12:16am

re: #88 ArchangelMichael

It really disturbs me that, as an agnostic, if and when I have children, I will probably have to send them to a religious private school in order for them to actually receive an education.

Jewish Day Schools aren't very religious at all, and they're heavy on the sciences. Plus, healthy food.

296 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:13:25am

re: #294 pink freud

Now Gus, you're going to turn this into a food thread, and I'm not so sure that's a good idea. Mandy's not here, neither is Jewels, neither is the cookbook goddess Reine to scoop up all the good ideas.

Plus, I'd have to start on about my etouffee. :-)

I hear ya. Plus I'll make myself hungry again.

Etouffee?

297 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:13:48am

Apple Puts the Kibosh on the Palm Pre’s iTunes Synch

The Palm Pre has been riding fairly high on a wave of publicity since its launch just a few weeks ago, so much so that Apple seems to have decided that it might be prudent to take a little wind out of the smartphone's sails by announcing that, although the new device's claim to be able to seamlessly synch with Apple's iTunes store may be true at the moment, that may not be the case for very much longer. Sound a little draconian? Sure enough, but business is business and anyway, this move is built into Apple's existing company line, which says that,

"Apple does not provide support for, or test for compatibility with, non-Apple digital media players and, because software changes over time, newer versions of Apple's iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with non-Apple digital media players."

So, be forewarned new and potential Palm Pre owners. Apple is a jealous guardian of its markets. If you were hoping to be able to download music and movies to your heart's content via iTunes, think again, or at least do it quickly. No doubt Palm will be ratcheting up its plans for its own apps store for the Pre, the App Catalog, but that's a good way off and there's pretty much no chance that it will feature anything to match the entertainment media of iTunes. So, although it is definitely premature to write off the Palm Pre, it is probably not too early to remove its equally premature mantle of iPhone killer.

298 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:14:13am

re: #294 pink freud

Now Gus, you're going to turn this into a food thread, and I'm not so sure that's a good idea. Mandy's not here, neither is Jewels, neither is the cookbook goddess Reine to scoop up all the good ideas.

Plus, I'd have to start on about my etouffee. :-)

wanna talk barbeque?

299 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:14:18am

re: #295 sagehen

Jewish Day Schools aren't very religious at all, and they're heavy on the sciences. Plus, healthy food.

Well hi there, newbie. Welcome to our LNDT!

300 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:14:24am

BRB, I have to restart after some Apple software updates.
;)

301 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:14:50am

re: #300 gmsc

The fruitcup app, right?

302 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:15:09am

got a good tasso recipe PF?

303 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:15:16am

re: #296 Gus 802

I hear ya. Plus I'll make myself hungry again.

Etouffee?

Yep. Crawfish or shrimp. Crawfish is my favorite.

304 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:16:30am

facebook is fun: i'm getting grief from some yardbird because i dissed "Pearl Jam" in a thread...

get over it.

305 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:16:58am

re: #303 pink freud

Yep. Crawfish or shrimp. Crawfish is my favorite.

Oh yeah. I got the image up on the screen...

[Link: images.google.com...]

Must-resist-temptation-to-eat-again.

306 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:17:02am

re: #298 redc1c4

wanna talk barbeque?

NO! :-)

We did that already, remember? Your pit puts mine to shame! ...and your skills probably do also. You turned me onto to a wonderful Texas grilling site last time this came up.

307 sagehen  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:17:20am

re: #299 pink freud

Well hi there, newbie. Welcome to our LNDT!


LNDT?

308 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:17:31am

re: #303 pink freud

Yep. Crawfish or shrimp. Crawfish is my favorite.

pass... sausage etouffee, OTOH. %-)

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:17:32am

re: #114 ArchangelMichael

Based on my observations so far, around here there are 3 types of Christian religious schools.

1) Very liberal Catholic schools that are nearly as bad as public schools.
2) Evangelical Protestant schools that have textbooks from Answers in Genesis.
3) Fringe Catholic schools that aren't too keen on Vatican II and and take the kids on field trips to the ICR Museum, regardless of how many times the Pope says the YEC is wrong.

I don't know what other religions K-12 is like, and Islamic ones are right out anyway.

I don't trust myself to home school a child well enough to hope he/she could get into MIT.

There are also Episcopal schools, some of which are very good. Some might be too liberal for your taste. Others might be too snooty...

There are some good Lutheran programs.

Also assorted secular private schools.

310 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:18:00am

re: #302 redc1c4

got a good tasso recipe PF?

You showed me one last time ...but I have never made my own. What I can get locally is perfect. I would like to try my own one day, though ...

311 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:18:43am

re: #306 pink freud

NO! :-)

We did that already, remember? Your pit puts mine to shame! ...and your skills probably do also. You turned me onto to a wonderful Texas grilling site last time this came up.

well then, let's set up a meal: i do the que, and you provide the boudin, etc... everyone goes away stuffed.

who's gonna bring the Turbo Dog, is my only question. %-)

312 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:19:38am

re: #304 redc1c4

facebook is fun: i'm getting grief from some yardbird because i dissed "Pearl Jam" in a thread...

get over it.

Eddie Vedder, pure moonbat.

313 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:19:52am

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

Nonsense. Lots of good public schools left. Choose wisely, and you'll be fine.

OTOH, we in Catholic education have a lot to offer, and we're pretty good with the children of agnostics. We can instill guilt without actual belief.

Does not matter too much about the quality of the individual schools and teachers if they are going to be mandated to teach a slowly increasing amount of touchy-feely social engineering things by the state and feds and reading, writing, history, math, and science suffer because of it. Most public schools in my county have close to 50% English learners (children of newly arrived immigrants, legal or otherwise). That in and of itself sucks up a lot of resources. Even back in the 80s when I was in elementary school, the majority of the students in the school I went to were children of Vietnam war refugees, and the vast majority of them were ESL students. So many resources were poured into teaching them to speak and read English, that when I moved to a different district, I had college level reading skills but I was way behind in everything else. Now the idea that I ever had problems with mathematics is alien to me, but yes, I did, because it seemed like all we ever did in 1-8th grade was read.

Probably the only way around that now would be to send children to a public school in the Rancho Santa Fe or Fairbanks Ranch districts, but I could never afford to live there to do it without lying.

The school district that I went to high school in was #35 in the entire United States in 1990 (for student achievement I guess, not sure how they rate them) and I would be leery about sending my child to that school now.

314 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:20:12am

re: #304 redc1c4

facebook is fun: i'm getting grief from some yardbird because i dissed "Pearl Jam" in a thread...

"Pearl Jam" were Conan's first musical guests when he took over The Tonight Show on June 1 (watched it via Hulu.)

I fast forwarded through that part.

Remember when Carson used to have the wide variety of musical guests on his show?

Kids these days...

315 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:20:50am

re: #307 sagehen

LNDT?

Late Night Dead Thread. Or, if you prefer, substitute "Drinking" for "Dead".

Welcome aboard.

316 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:20:53am

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

There are also Episcopal schools, some of which are very good. Some might be too liberal for your taste. Others might be too snooty...

There are some good Lutheran programs.

Also assorted secular private schools.

There might be some of these in the area, but none that I have seen within reasonable driving distance of my home or job.

317 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:21:17am

re: #313 ArchangelMichael

Does not matter too much about the quality of the individual schools and teachers if they are going to be mandated to teach a slowly increasing amount of touchy-feely social engineering things by the state and feds and reading, writing, history, math, and science suffer because of it. Most public schools in my county have close to 50% English learners (children of newly arrived immigrants, legal or otherwise). That in and of itself sucks up a lot of resources. Even back in the 80s when I was in elementary school, the majority of the students in the school I went to were children of Vietnam war refugees, and the vast majority of them were ESL students. So many resources were poured into teaching them to speak and read English, that when I moved to a different district, I had college level reading skills but I was way behind in everything else. Now the idea that I ever had problems with mathematics is alien to me, but yes, I did, because it seemed like all we ever did in 1-8th grade was read.

Probably the only way around that now would be to send children to a public school in the Rancho Santa Fe or Fairbanks Ranch districts, but I could never afford to live there to do it without lying.

The school district that I went to high school in was #35 in the entire United States in 1990 (for student achievement I guess, not sure how they rate them) and I would be leery about sending my child to that school now.

so lie...

/easy solution.

318 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:21:50am

re: #311 redc1c4

well then, let's set up a meal: i do the que, and you provide the boudin, etc... everyone goes away stuffed.

who's gonna bring the Turbo Dog, is my only question. %-)

No turducken?

What's a turbo dog?

319 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:22:06am

Song from my childhood:
"If the ocean was whiskey and I was a duck, I'd dive to the bottom and ever come up"

Youtube Video
320 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:22:30am

re: #155 iceweasel

And it wasn't only Dahmer. Many serial killers do. In Dahmer's case his father was a chemist, and Dahmer was fascinated with roadkill and skeletons. For a long time his family convinced themselves it was some kind of 'scientific' interest...until someone in the neighbourhood found a little shrine he had in the woods, with pets' heads on stakes. He was only around 12 and no one could prove it was his, but they suspected.

Researchers call it the homicidal triad: 1) bedwetting until a very late age, 2) starting fires, and 3) killing or torturing animals. A really shockingly high percentage of serial killers and psychopaths have all 3 in their background.

Hurting or killing animals is the biggest flag, for obvious reasons. Many little kids might burn ants with a magnifying glass or pull wings off flies, but trapping and hurting (and maybe killing) other animals, especially pets, is a sign of someone sadistic.

The firestarting has to be taken into context; it doesn't mean starting a small fire or two (lots of kids, especially boys, do that) but repeatedly setting them.

Same with the bedwetting. Not merely having accidents, but having them up until 11, 12. Or even doing it every night at 7,8,9. That sort of thing.

/yes, I'm morbidly interested in this topic.

Disturbs me a bit that late bedwetting runs in my family.

321 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:22:37am

re: #317 redc1c4

so lie...

/easy solution.

Works until they check.

322 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:22:44am

re: #315 pink freud

Late Night Dead Thread. Or, if you prefer, substitute "Drinking" for "Dead".

Welcome aboard.

Val-u-Rite Vodka for all!

/white smoke

323 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:22:44am

re: #297 gmsc

Apple Puts the Kibosh on the Palm Pre’s iTunes Synch

Apple must be feeling kind of scared.

324 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:23:24am

Someone put fruitcup in my vodka.

325 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:23:32am

re: #313 ArchangelMichael

Does not matter too much about the quality of the individual schools and teachers if they are going to be mandated to teach a slowly increasing amount of touchy-feely social engineering things by the state and feds and reading, writing, history, math, and science suffer because of it. Most public schools in my county have close to 50% English learners (children of newly arrived immigrants, legal or otherwise). That in and of itself sucks up a lot of resources. Even back in the 80s when I was in elementary school, the majority of the students in the school I went to were children of Vietnam war refugees, and the vast majority of them were ESL students. So many resources were poured into teaching them to speak and read English, that when I moved to a different district, I had college level reading skills but I was way behind in everything else. Now the idea that I ever had problems with mathematics is alien to me, but yes, I did, because it seemed like all we ever did in 1-8th grade was read.

Probably the only way around that now would be to send children to a public school in the Rancho Santa Fe or Fairbanks Ranch districts, but I could never afford to live there to do it without lying.

The school district that I went to high school in was #35 in the entire United States in 1990 (for student achievement I guess, not sure how they rate them) and I would be leery about sending my child to that school now.

Public school -- complete failure. You've named most of the reasons why above.

Private, if you can afford it, is the only way to go.

326 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:24:38am

re: #318 pink freud

No turducken?

What's a turbo dog?

just a bit wound up, naturally... %-)

Turbo Dog

327 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:25:04am

re: #323 TheMatrix31

Apple must be feeling kind of scared.

I'm sure they are thinking: "Weren't they supposed to go bankrupt? Didn't we give PALM a RIMM-job?"

328 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:25:37am

re: #321 ArchangelMichael

Works until they check.

then use a credit card...

329 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:25:40am

re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist

SFZ, please don't let that bother you too much. Bedwetting stems from many causes, most benign. Most work themselves out after awhile.

330 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:25:43am

re: #327 ArchangelMichael

I'm sure they are thinking: "Weren't they supposed to go bankrupt? Didn't we give PALM a RIMM-job?"

I love my Pre :)

331 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:26:43am

re: #322 redc1c4

Val-u-Rite Vodka for all!

/white smoke

well, except for FOGJ, he had three fingers of the fancy stuff and slipped off to dreamland

332 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:26:56am

re: #304 redc1c4

facebook is fun: i'm getting grief from some yardbird because i dissed "Pearl Jam" in a thread...

get over it.

They suck

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:27:43am

re: #194 Sharmuta

Could be they feel shame in their bed wetting and that leads to a feeling of powerlessness they feel they regain in hurting something weaker than them?

God knows, us late bedwetters put up with a lot. Even from grandmothers who later turn out to have had the same pattern as kids. Grrr.

But then again, I've never felt the desire to carve up, well, anything but a brisket.

334 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:28:45am

re: #330 TheMatrix31

I love my Pre :)

Dark Falcon seems to be our resident expert on the Pre, IIRC. Good to know if you have any problems.

335 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:28:52am

re: #325 pink freud

Public school -- complete failure. You've named most of the reasons why above.

Private, if you can afford it, is the only way to go.

One thing that I did appreciate from that elementary school, other than giving me spectacular reading comprehension skills, was being exposed to Vietnamese culture. I went to school with kids who had been through HELL and back and lived. None of them ever complained or whined, not even the ones with scars or missing limbs. It helped to keep things real.

Would have been nice if they taught me some math, science, and history while doing so though.

336 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:29:32am

re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist

My understanding of betting wetting is 1) the bladder is not growing at the same rate a the rest of the body, and 2) it's genetic.

337 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:29:41am

re: #323 TheMatrix31

Apple must be feeling kind of scared.

Why do you say that?

Apple's never promised that iTunes would work with anything else than their devices.

Palm Pre ignored this, and started promoting that they would work with iTunes, with full knowledge that Apple wouldn't support it.

338 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:29:53am

re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist

Disturbs me a bit that late bedwetting runs in my family.

Nothing to be disturbed about; the vast majority of it is for physiological reasons as someone (I think Sharm) noted. By itself it isn't any kind of red flag.

339 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:29:56am

re: #332 Sharmuta

They suck

the geniuses decided i was a kid because of my South Park avatar... they are currently congratulating themselves on their wit & wisdom.

i, of course, am heartbroken by it all...

340 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:30:18am

re: #329 pink freud

SFZ, please don't let that bother you too much. Bedwetting stems from many causes, most benign. Most work themselves out after awhile.

Yes, what pink said also.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:30:30am

re: #242 Floral Giraffe

Happy cows come from California.
Or so says the advertising...
CHEESE!

My grandpa was a Kansas farm boy. He loved those ads. Thought the talking cows were hilarious.

342 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:31:40am

re: #330 TheMatrix31

I love my Pre :)

I jumped the gun and bought a Centro last year. I hate crackberries, and the lack of a real keyboard on the iPhone is a turn off for me. Apples tendancy to be 2 years behind on "features" is annoying, and the fanfaire that accompanies when they finally "catch up" to everyone else and make it look like they are doing something new is insulting.

Maybe I'll look into a Pre if Verizon or AT&T get them. Not a big Sprint fan.

343 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:31:53am

re: #335 ArchangelMichael

One thing that I did appreciate from that elementary school, other than giving me spectacular reading comprehension skills, was being exposed to Vietnamese culture. I went to school with kids who had been through HELL and back and lived. None of them ever complained or whined, not even the ones with scars or missing limbs. It helped to keep things real.

Would have been nice if they taught me some math, science, and history while doing so though.

That's an invaluable life lesson to learn at such a young ago ...

I don't know how old you are, but I came through the system before the LLL's got a hold of it. Compared with what they teach today, I got a great foundation.

344 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:32:04am

i'm pulling pitch and heading for the hanger...

hasta y'all.

L8r!

345 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:32:06am

Just came across this:

Handbook for Working with
Defendants and Offenders with
Mental Disorders

[Link: www.fjc.gov...]

Anti-social behavior is covered on page 56. It's a PDF so be advised regarding the download. This would be in context with that kid that killed those cats. Apparently they have something called Conduct Disorder as well which is not covered in this judicial manual.

346 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:32:29am

re: #344 redc1c4

Nite Red!

347 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:32:31am

re: #344 redc1c4

i'm pulling pitch and heading for the hanger...

hasta y'all.

L8r!

Happy landings.

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:32:44am

re: #257 iceweasel


I always think of the BTK Killer, remember him? His poor wife and his kids were all the subject of vicious rumours and attacks that they "had" to know-- not only did she divorce him but I think she and the kids had to change their names, people hated them so much.

.

I can't imagine what his family must have gone through. He was pretty far off the serial-killer norm, though, wasn't he?

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:33:19am

re: #260 redc1c4

Dexter

Now that is a good piece of TV.

350 sagehen  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:33:30am

re: #315 pink freud

Late Night Dead Thread. Or, if you prefer, substitute "Drinking" for "Dead".

Welcome aboard.


Good to be here.

And since a good meme deserves more than one thread --
Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

351 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:33:38am

re: #323 TheMatrix31

Apple must be feeling kind of scared.

I don't see Apple trying to promote the iPhone by saying it will work with anything from Palm.

Palm, on the other hand, has been trying to assure everyone that the Pre will work with Apple's stuff.

I don't think Apple is the one who is scared.

352 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:34:53am

re: #345 Gus 802

Borderline quite often, too.

353 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:35:10am

re: #337 gmsc

Why do you say that?

Apple's never promised that iTunes would work with anything else than their devices.

Palm Pre ignored this, and started promoting that they would work with iTunes, with full knowledge that Apple wouldn't support it.

Definitely true. I don't care either way. I don't use iTunes anyway.

re: #342 ArchangelMichael

I jumped the gun and bought a Centro last year. I hate crackberries, and the lack of a real keyboard on the iPhone is a turn off for me. Apples tendancy to be 2 years behind on "features" is annoying, and the fanfaire that accompanies when they finally "catch up" to everyone else and make it look like they are doing something new is insulting.

Maybe I'll look into a Pre if Verizon or AT&T get them. Not a big Sprint fan.

Sprint's perfect for me. Love their plans and their coverage. Extremely happy with the Pre.

354 Kulhwch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:35:19am

re: #274 gmsc

Good deal right now - Audible.com, an audio book producer for a wide variety of MP3 and AAC players, has brought back their free audiobook offer for new members!

Last time they did this, I joined and selected the unabridged version Atlas Shrugged as my free audio book, saving $75 in the process!

Eek, no, they require my credit card information, even though I'm just getting the free audiobook at this time.

}:)     [Think I'll stick with LibriVox for now ... ]

355 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:35:30am

If you are familiar with, "The train kept a rollin", this is the earliest version I have found.

Youtube Video
356 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:35:36am

re: #343 pink freud

That's an invaluable life lesson to learn at such a young ago ...

I don't know how old you are, but I came through the system before the LLL's got a hold of it. Compared with what they teach today, I got a great foundation.

I was in elementary school from 80-86, Jr High 86-88 in that neighborhood before my family moved. That district is a travesty now from what I hear.

357 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:35:40am

re: #350 sagehen

Good to be here.

And since a good meme deserves more than one thread --
Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

Ain't she, though.

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:35:59am

re: #282 iceweasel

Some might say that the primary purpose of a Catholic education is to install guilt. :)

(Kidding, mostly. Been there, know that)

The nuns told my father it was his responsibility to fix the world. He took them at their word. He's worked tirelessly his whole life to leave this place in better condition than he found it.

We joke about the nuns, but guilt sure led to a sense of duty with their charges.

359 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:36:04am

re: #345 Gus 802

Just came across this:

Handbook for Working with
Defendants and Offenders with
Mental Disorders

[Link: www.fjc.gov...]

Anti-social behavior is covered on page 56. It's a PDF so be advised regarding the download. This would be in context with that kid that killed those cats. Apparently they have something called Conduct Disorder as well which is not covered in this judicial manual.

IIRC, "Conduct Disorder" is the new-ish behavioural diagnosis they give to budding sociopaths and kids exhibiting antisocial behaviour, because you can't give a diagnosis of sociopathy or Antisocial Personality Disorder to an adolescent under current APA guidelines.

The EU has different standards though, they use the WHO standards, not the DSM-IV. I have to brush up.

Thanks for posting this!

360 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:36:10am

re: #352 pink freud

Borderline quite often, too.

Yep. Looking at another site they have three severities: mild, moderate and severe.

361 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:37:12am

re: #359 iceweasel

IIRC, "Conduct Disorder" is the new-ish behavioural diagnosis they give to budding sociopaths and kids exhibiting antisocial behaviour, because you can't give a diagnosis of sociopathy or Antisocial Personality Disorder to an adolescent under current APA guidelines.

The EU has different standards though, they use the WHO standards, not the DSM-IV. I have to brush up.

Thanks for posting this!

Ah, OK. That sounds right. The diagnostic criteria for anti-social includes: over 18 years of age.

362 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:37:21am

re: #354 Kulhwch

Eek, no, they require my credit card information, even though I'm just getting the free audiobook at this time.

}:)     [Think I'll stick with LibriVox for now ... ]

That's probably because guys like me took advantage of the system last time, when you didn't have to give the credit card.

Thanks for the update.

363 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:38:51am
C. If the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Specify type based on age at onset:

Childhood-Onset Type: onset of at least one criterion characteristic of Conduct Disorder prior to age 10 years (new code as of 10/01/96: 312.81)

Adolescent-Onset Type: absence of any criteria characteristic of Conduct Disorder prior to age 10 years (new code as of 10/01/96: 312.82)

[Link: www.behavenet.com...]

364 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:39:09am

re: #345 Gus 802

Just came across this:

Handbook for Working with
Defendants and Offenders with
Mental Disorders

Does hit have anything that covers this (from a discussion on Beck's 912 forum ) ? :

Docadams 59p · 16 hours ago

I think that the Obama administration is monitoring the web, Fox news, and conservative talk radio. They hear what we're saying about the Government and it frightens them. So little by little they erode our freedoms, pass laws that makes the act of exercising our First Amendment right a low level terrorist attack. They are painting us into a corner, and thus may acheive the very thing that they are so afraid of...

By todays laws our Founding Fathers would have been defined as domestic terrorist. I hope that the Oath Keepers are for real, because we're going to find out sooner before later if they will really keep that oath. For everyone sake, I pray that they do.

365 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:40:34am

re: #364 freetoken

Paranoid Personality Disorder.

366 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:40:39am

BTW, found on the web, a pic of Red in his kitchen preparing his version of fruitcup !

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:41:08am

re: #329 pink freud

SFZ, please don't let that bother you too much. Bedwetting stems from many causes, most benign. Most work themselves out after awhile.

re: #336 Sharmuta

My understanding of betting wetting is 1) the bladder is not growing at the same rate a the rest of the body, and 2) it's genetic.

re: #338 iceweasel

Nothing to be disturbed about; the vast majority of it is for physiological reasons as someone (I think Sharm) noted. By itself it isn't any kind of red flag.

Thanks all. Mostly kidding, but I do find it interesting when the serial-killer trio comes up, because so much of my childhood was influenced by the damn bedwetting thing.

However, as I said, my grandma went through it too, and she was the world's biggest animal lover, and the farthest thing from a sociopath, so I don't really worry.

368 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:42:26am

re: #364 freetoken

That could just be a paranoid personality disorder.

369 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:43:30am

re: #364 freetoken

Paranoid personality disorder is listed in the DSM-IV-TR as 301.00 Paranoid Personality Disorder.

According to the DSM-IV-TR, this disorder is characterized by a pervasive distrust and suspicion of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:

* Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
* Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
* Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
* Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.
* Persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights
* Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack
* Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.

The traits, behaviors and characteristics

* Do not occur exclusively during the course of a mood disorder accompanied by psychotic features nor other psychotic disorders.
* Are not due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition.

370 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:44:10am

re: #355 BatGuano

And from 1956, Johnny Burnette,

Youtube Video
371 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:44:26am

re: #359 iceweasel

IIRC, "Conduct Disorder" is the new-ish behavioural diagnosis they give to budding sociopaths and kids exhibiting antisocial behaviour, because you can't give a diagnosis of sociopathy or Antisocial Personality Disorder to an adolescent under current APA guidelines.

The EU has different standards though, they use the WHO standards, not the DSM-IV. I have to brush up.

Thanks for posting this!

I teach high school. Which is why I was so delighted when on an old episode of "Criminal Minds", one profiler tells another "You know all teenagers profile as sociopaths. That's why we can't diagnose them until they're eighteen."

Oh, it's true, it's true--although some of them profile in a much scarier way than the normalish ones.

372 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:45:09am

re: #364 freetoken

Aye! "They hear what we're saying. We went through this under Bush when some were saying the same things more or less regarding the Patriot Act. Same thing but opposite ideologies more or less but they do in fact converge and find common ground regarding the conspiracies.

The government has been monitoring citizens for decades now. It may have started during the Civil War era in fact but came to a head during the anarchist movement of the early 20th century I think. The Cold War furthered that monitoring. It's not as draconian as the conspiracy people would have you believe since they a) don't have the man power and b) aren't interested in normal decent or discussion. They are looking for criminal activity in the end.

But, you can't reason with people that have a behavioral problem. In fact they might see you as an "agent" for the conspiracy.

373 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:45:21am

re: #363 Gus 802

[Link: www.behavenet.com...]

There you go. Yeah, "Conduct Disorder" is essentially a placeholder diagnosis. It's for children and adolescents and it morphs into APD later.

It's sort of like the ADD or the ADHD for sociopaths, in a way.

374 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:45:31am

re: #369 ArchangelMichael

Unfortunately, I know many people with some or many of those indicators. Every Paulestinian I know of is nearly a textbook example.

375 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:46:11am

I think I meant to say "descent."

376 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:46:42am

re: #223 redc1c4

World's shortest horror movie

Magnificent !
Love it.

377 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:47:20am

Whatever happened to the Pickens plan?

378 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:47:48am

re: #374 ArchangelMichael

Unfortunately, I know many people with some or many of those indicators. Every Paulestinian I know of is nearly a textbook example.

Even I have my paranoid tinfoil hat tendencies, but I know they are there and I do my best to deal with them.

Ok I'll stop replying to myself before someone shows me where that is listed in the DSM-IV.

379 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:48:15am

re: #377 Fenway_Nation

Whatever happened to the Pickens plan?

< $2.00/gallon gasoline

380 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:48:30am

re: #373 iceweasel

There you go. Yeah, "Conduct Disorder" is essentially a placeholder diagnosis. It's for children and adolescents and it morphs into APD later.

It's sort of like the ADD or the ADHD for sociopaths, in a way.

Yeah, I think it delves into legal issues between juvenile and adult justice or mental health. It's the same disorder.

381 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:49:03am

re: #379 ArchangelMichael

That's not a good long-term strategery...

382 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:49:39am

re: #371 SanFranciscoZionist

I teach high school. Which is why I was so delighted when on an old episode of "Criminal Minds", one profiler tells another "You know all teenagers profile as sociopaths. That's why we can't diagnose them until they're eighteen."

Oh, it's true, it's true--although some of them profile in a much scarier way than the normalish ones.

That's completely true. I can find sources if people want, but recently (the last two years?) neuroscientists and others have been able to demonstrate that the parts of our brain responsible for controlling impulse and handling 'long term' action-- in other words, foreseeing consequences-- aren't fully developed til after adolescence. Frontal lobe stuff apparently.

And it's no news at all to anyone who has to deal with adolescents on a daily basis, like you!

More research from the Dept of the Obvious, I guess. It's interesting that they've been able to verify it empirically though.

383 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:49:59am

All right, I'm outta here. Laila tov, all.

384 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:50:00am

re: #381 Fenway_Nation

That's not a good long-term strategery...

You know this, I know this, but Congress... what's their collective IQ, 24?

385 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:50:41am

re: #377 Fenway_Nation

Whatever happened to the Pickens plan?

Did you see he's involved with that new hush-hush environmentally friendly car company called the V-something that Gore is involved with? Just starting to hear bits about it.

We covered it here yesterday/ day before.

386 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:51:40am

re: #385 pink freud

Did you see he's involved with that new hush-hush environmentally friendly car company called the V-something that Gore is involved with? Just starting to hear bits about it.

We covered it here yesterday/ day before.

I came across the headline. Al Gore car company.

387 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:53:05am

re: #386 Gus 802

I came across the headline. Al Gore car company.

[Link: www.autoblog.com...]

388 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:53:56am

re: #369 ArchangelMichael

You just described 50% of the posters on Beck's forum.

389 srb1976  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:54:19am

Evening all...wish I could have gotten here sooner, but it's actually been an almost busy night...Hope everyone is well!

390 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:54:29am

re: #380 Gus 802

Yeah, I think it delves into legal issues between juvenile and adult justice or mental health. It's the same disorder.

i think you're right. For treatment and legal purposes no one wants to give a 15 year old a diagnosis that essentially says "you will always be a criminal".

Also-- pink mentioned upthread borderline personality disorder, and it's interesting to note that there's a huge gender imbalance in the diagnoses. That is, 90+% of all people diagnosed with BPD are female; 90+% of all people diagnosed with APD are male.

One current theory is that the standards themselves are wrong; the APD diagnosis makes physical aggression and physical violence a priority--and female sociopaths, while equally violent and aggressive, find ways other than the physical to act out that aggression.

So some psychologists and theorists believe that the diagnoses may be the same thing, at bottom: one describes a 'female' way of acting out the syndrome, the other a 'male' way.

(Both involve people wrecking major havoc, btw)

391 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:54:32am

gmsc,
Have you seen this one?

Youtube Video
392 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:54:51am

re: #389 srb1976

Good morning, srb!

393 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:55:09am

re: #387 pink freud

[Link: www.autoblog.com...]

Thanks.

T Boone Pickens and Al Gore.

Announced by Bobby Jindal.

Now there's a motley crew. If it works it works I suppose. As long as it's not another tax sucking deal that we've been seeing of late.

394 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:55:45am

re: #388 freetoken

You just described 50% of the posters on Beck's forum.

It's no wonder the paranoid would flock to each other for reassurance.

395 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:56:11am

re: #388 freetoken

You just described 50% of the posters on Beck's forum.

I'm surprised it's not more like 90%.

396 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:57:14am

re: #391 BatGuano

gmsc,
Have you seen this one?


[Video]

I hadn't seen that one - i like the intro, especially!

397 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:57:16am

re: #393 Gus 802

Motley crue, indeed.

Pickens gives me the creeps.

398 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:58:15am

Do I smell fruitcup being prepared?

399 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:58:51am

re: #390 iceweasel

Hasn't there been a rise in APD amongst females? Recently that is.

400 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:59:08am

Nah!

401 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:59:44am

re: #400 littleoldlady

Nah!

I made it!

402 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 1:59:56am

re: #397 pink freud

Motley crue, indeed.

Pickens gives me the creeps.

Pickens is "always on." One sales pitch after the other.

403 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:00:02am

re: #396 gmsc

The bass guy is extraordinary.

404 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:00:05am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

405 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:00:25am

pink! :-)

406 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:00:55am

re: #404 littleoldlady

Goodmorning goodmorning goodmorning littleoldlady!

407 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:01:10am

re: #385 pink freud

Nah- that's all news to me.

I'm just looking at this map of known natural gas deposits in the USA (and Canada)...

But nobody's gonna touch the Utica, Marcellus, Fayetteville or Permian shales w/congress having a hate-on for all things fossil fuel and natural gas hoovering around $4MMBtu

408 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:01:12am

re: #404 littleoldlady

Thank you littleoldlady!

409 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:01:32am

re: #404 littleoldlady

Good morning, and thank you.

410 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:01:32am

re: #404 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Morning Littleoldlady.

411 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:01:40am

re: #406 pink freud

Ok, that's it, I'm going to bed.

/j/k!

How are you, LOL?!?

412 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:02:23am

re: #407 Fenway_Nation

Nah- that's all news to me.

I'm just looking at this map of known natural gas deposits in the USA (and Canada)...

But nobody's gonna touch the Utica, Marcellus, Fayetteville or Permian shales w/congress having a hate-on for all things fossil fuel and natural gas hoovering around $4MMBtu

You're dead on accurate.

413 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:02:25am

re: #397 pink freud

Motley crue, indeed.

Pickens gives me the creeps.

Hey, that's a luxury car company they're backing...

[Link: karma.fiskerautomotive.com...]

90 grand a pop.

414 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:02:42am

re: #404 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Good mornin' LoL.

415 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:03:01am

BatGuano! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

Gus! :-)

pink,

I'm just effin' peachy. You?

416 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:03:23am

Matrix! :-)

417 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:03:46am

re: #413 Gus 802

Hey, that's a luxury car company they're backing...

[Link: karma.fiskerautomotive.com...]

90 grand a pop.

Wow! Purty!

418 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:04:13am

re: #395 ArchangelMichael

I'm surprised it's not more like 90%.

Among the fringe-right blogs there appears, based on my perusal, a symbiotic relationship happening between the paranoids (about half the group) and the interminably malcontents (the other half.) The latter portion are not noticeably paranoid but they are uber-utopians, believing in a world that never was and wishing for one that never can be.

419 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:04:43am

re: #417 pink freud

Wow! Purty!

It is. Looks like it's part Aston Martin, Corvette, and Ferrari.

420 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:05:12am

re: #415 littleoldlady

That good, eh? I wouldn't know where to place myself on the fruit scale, truth be known. Somewhere between week old bananas and green cantaloupe. ;-)

421 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:05:50am

I know some paranoia disorders can be treated, like in the case of paranoid schizophrenia, but I'm not sure that's what's wrong with beck-heads.

422 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:06:06am

re: #404 littleoldlady


Fruitcup is on the buffet bar --->

You've been brought over to the dark side.

423 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:06:10am

re: #394 Sharmuta

It's no wonder the paranoid would flock to each other for reassurance.

Someone upthread noted that conspiracy theories were proliferating; in fact there is an empirical reason why we should expect to find an upswing in conspiracy theories and creationism right now.

As humans we're driven to find patterns; we're exceedingly good at it.

I'm a little bit of a science geek for some things, and there's a fascinating study done in october that shows something that is fairly intuitive:

Perceived lack of control is connected to hyperactive pattern recognition-- a tendency to perceive patterns where none exist, including tendencies to believe in conspiracy theories and superstition.

So the general upshot is that if you lack control or feel powerless, you are more disposed to see patterns where there are none. This makes intuitive sense if we realise that the perception of a pattern is about imposing order on the world, whether it's perceiving a shape in a random array of dots, or a sinister (or benign!) connection among a random array of events.

The more overarching the conspiracy theory, the more paradoxically comforting it can be. It provides an explanation for everything. It also means that you don't have to believe in the awful randomness of tragedy. If you believe your own govt was involved in a terrorist attack within your country, for example, for some people this is much less frightening than acknowledging your gov't failed to prevent an attack.

So this study is interesting for anyone interested in the psychology of conspiracy theorists, even if it is a bit obvious: powerless people are drawn to them.

Control and security are vital parts of our psychological well-being and it goes without saying that losing them can feel depressing or scary. As such, people have strategies for trying to regain a sense control even if it's a tenuous one. Jennifer Whitson and Adam Galinsky from the University of Texas have found that one such strategy is to identify coherent and meaningful relationships between things we observe.

These patterns can help us to make sense of past events and predict future ones, affording us a degree of control over our fates, albeit an indirect one. We can't change the weather, for example, but if we can tell when it's going to rain, we can be prepared. At the more extreme end, conspiracy theories can help the bewildered to make sense of otherwise unconnected events. And explaining random events by invoking superstitions or higher beings can help to bring reality's many possibilities within one's understanding, if not under one's heel.

Whitson and Galinsky demonstrated the link between desiring control and seeing patterns through a set of experiments that used a variety of psychological tricks to induce feelings of insecurity among groups of volunteers. With these tricks, they managed to induce a number of different illusions - increasing the risk of seeing false images, making links between unrelated events, creating conspiracy theories and even accepting superstitious rituals. Superficially, all of these behaviours seem quite different but they all involve seeing patterns where none exist. They have a common theme and now, this study suggests that they have a common motive too.

link:

Lacking control drives false conclusions, conspiracy theories and superstitions

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

I've been meaning to post this study here for ages, in ref to Beck, paranoia, conspiracy theories, and also creationism.

424 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:06:32am

re: #419 Gus 802

It is. Looks like it's part Aston Martin, Corvette, and Ferrari.

S-e-e-e-e-e-x-x-x-x-y-y-y-y-y!

425 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:06:36am

BRB, folks.

426 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:06:39am

re: #404 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you! Mmmm!

427 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:07:53am

re: #421 Sharmuta

There are some really un-happy people out there. I am not sure what is driving them into utopia-fantasy, but they really really don't like their lot in life and have decided that it is all [fill in the blank]'s fault.

428 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:08:04am

re: #424 pink freud

S-e-e-e-e-e-x-x-x-x-y-y-y-y-y!

ECO CHIC

Low, wide and coupe-like in profile, sensually sculpted surfaces mix with dramatic and powerful proportions to give the Fisker Karma a “look” all its own. The Karma's dynamic stance is just as much a thing of beauty as it is a result of the car's proprietary technical layout. Standard 22-inch light alloy rims at all four corners make Karma a world-leader in the wheel to body relationship. Form and function go hand in hand at Fisker.

Furthermore, innovative and functional design features such as side-mounted charging indicators, state-of-the-art LED-Xenon lighting, unique external mounted speaker covers and a one-piece solar glass roof work in harmony to express the new design aesthetic that is Eco-Chic.

The exterior design of the production Karma is instantly recognizable and makes no compromises, with only minor changes from the 2008 Karma show car.

From the site of course.

429 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:09:30am

re: #423 iceweasel

Oh wait-- let me add that, given the current economic climate you WOULD see an upswing in people feeling powerless, and therefore, according to this study, those people would also be more prone to conspiracy theories, superstition, and paranoia.

Makes sense. So this is one reason why Beck's ratings will climb right now.

430 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:09:49am

Littleoldlady ...you get a gander at that swanky car Gus showed us? Can't you just see yourself behind the wheel of that?!

(I can, yes ma'am, I certainly can.)

431 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:10:07am

Paranoid schizophrenia:

Youtube Video
432 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:10:38am

re: #428 Gus 802

From the site of course.

Too bad 0bama's driving us all right into the poor house, eh?

433 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:10:40am

re: #422 freetoken

freetoken! :-)

The other day I dumped out our "bar" because I wanted to use the cabinet for dishes. Stuff's been sitting in there for YEARS!

/who knew?!
//I think there's actually a bottle left over from our wedding!

So I'm trying to come up with (cheap) recipes that allow me to use what little food we have plus the vast quantities of booze.

Oh, who am I kidding?! I'll just drink the stuff straight and the heck with meals!

;-)

434 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:10:43am

Noted Iranian Activist Kianoosh Sanjari: "The People of Iran Will Not Forgive Obama For Siding With the Regime" (Audio-Video)

The video is long-- 46 minutes-- But you will not read this same information in the mainstream news. It is recorded in Farsi and English:

In this video Kianoosh Sanjari reveals:

** Ayatollah Khomenei's grand-daughter was arrested during a recent demonstration.

** Former President Rafsanjari's daughter marched in the protest tonight in Tehran.

** On the night of the election after his vote Rafsanjari called on the people to demonstrate.

** There is a great split between the two factions of hardliners and moderates. It is reminescent of the 1979 revolution.

** The people of Iran will not forgive Barack Obama for siding with the evil regime.

Obama has voted "present" on the issue of Iranian democracy.

435 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:11:17am

gmsc! :-)

436 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:11:32am

re: #433 littleoldlady

How you?!?

437 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:11:57am

re: #433 littleoldlady

LOL! I have missed you.

/do not drink all of that old likker at once, you hear me!?

438 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:12:41am

re: #432 pink freud

Too bad 0bama's driving us all right into the poor house, eh?

Yeah. Before when I went for my errand run right after the LRO launch I went to get a 200 dollar check. I had 30 bucks in the bank before that. Hate to be gloomy about things but I'm gloomy.

439 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:12:44am

re: #434 Kenneth

Good morning, Kenneth! You're up early.

440 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:14:07am

re: #431 BatGuano

Let me try this again.

Youtube Video
441 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:14:43am

re: #404 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Extra prunes please...took too many vicodin and ibuprofin tonight...
neck (c5,c6) pain so bad I can't sleep...would love some morphine...

442 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:14:45am

re: #381 Fenway_Nation

I was never really a fan of the Picken's Plan though. I'm not sure relying entirely on natural gas is practical, and there was too much wind power in the plan too. Wind power is a complete pipe dream as there are only a few places in the country that are windy 365/7/24.

There's a wind farm along I-10 near Palm Springs, CA in a valley between 2 mountain ranges that is an excellent spot for a wind farm... but the farm is HUGE and it only generates 1500 MW (I think, couldn't find anywhere that stated this directly but that number was thrown around). A small nuclear plant taking up about 1% of the same land area generates almost 2 times that much power.

The ArchangelMichael plan was to:
- Drill domestically for petroleum everywhere that it is practical. Try to replace the percentage of petroleum we get from kooky ME thugocracies with domestic sources.

- Slowly retire all coal and NG burning plants in the US and replace them with nuclear and solar plants. Convert the coal industry to producing petroleum replacement fuels. Try to get it so that the only countries we get any oil from are NAFTA countries.

- Offer some kind of incentive (or perhaps legislation, but I'd rather not go that route) to automakers to make their vehicles bi-fuel/multi-fuel so more options are open to the end-user for fueling the vehicle.

I'm sure since I said the Nuclear-word, this has no chance in hell of ever happening.

443 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:14:46am

re: #438 Gus 802

Yeah. Before when I went for my errand run right after the LRO launch I went to get a 200 dollar check. I had 30 bucks in the bank before that. Hate to be gloomy about things but I'm gloomy.

Yeah, I hear you, Gus. That very topic seems to permeate most of my personal email these days. Times are hard for everyone all of a sudden, it seems.

/I dunno how much of this hopey changey shit we're going to be able to withstand.

444 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:14:48am

re: #430 pink freud

Nah. Looks like it would be hard for old people to get in and out of.

Anyway, THIS is the car of the future.

/you WILL be required to buy it!

445 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:15:03am
** Ayatollah Khomenei's grand-daughter was arrested during a recent demonstration.

Is she hot?
/

446 gmsc  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:15:33am

re: #435 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

I can't stay too long. But I hadn't been here in a while, and wanted comfort in the form of fruitcup.

Good night, all!

447 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:15:51am

re: #436 gmsc

gmsc,

Feh! You?

448 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:16:09am

re: #446 gmsc

Bye gmsc!

449 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:16:55am

re: #444 littleoldlady

Nah. Looks like it would be hard for old people to get in and out of.

Anyway, THIS is the car of the future.

/you WILL be required to buy it!

NOPE.

NEVER.

NO. NO. NO.

450 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:16:57am

re: #423 iceweasel

Thanks- I'll be checking into that more, so the link is great. I've always enjoyed psychology myself, so this sort of thing is up my alley.

451 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:17:21am

re: #441 IslandLibertarian

IslandLibertarian! :-)

OH! Morphine! An even better idea than booze!

/hope you feel better soon
//I think Fenway is in charge of the prune department...

452 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:17:30am

re: #446 gmsc

G'nite Pi Man! Sleep well.

453 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:17:36am

re: #443 pink freud

Yeah, I hear you, Gus. That very topic seems to permeate most of my personal email these days. Times are hard for everyone all of a sudden, it seems.

/I dunno how much of this hopey changey shit we're going to be able to withstand.

I have this odd idea in which I think the free-market is the best way to increase the quality of life for humanity. Not very popular these days around the Beltway.

454 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:17:58am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

Thanks for staying for fruitcup! :-)

455 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:18:11am

re: #449 pink freud

NO.

456 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:19:06am

re: #444 littleoldlady

Nah. Looks like it would be hard for old people to get in and out of.

Anyway, THIS is the car of the future.

/you WILL be required to buy it!

Wasn't that car in the 1964 World's Fair?

457 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:19:25am

re: #453 Gus 802

I have this odd idea in which I think the free-market is the best way to increase the quality of life for humanity. Not very popular these days around the Beltway.

I think so too, Gus. Screw the Beltway.

458 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:19:31am

re: #427 freetoken

There are some really un-happy people out there. I am not sure what is driving them into utopia-fantasy, but they really really don't like their lot in life and have decided that it is all [fill in the blank]'s fault.

I was just thinking that perhaps IrishRose or Defenseman could do a piece on Paranoia Disorders as I'm fairly certain some ex-lizards may be suffering from this condition.

459 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:19:59am

re: #455 pink freud

Okay. I get it!

;-)

460 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:20:02am

re: #446 gmsc

G'night gmsc.

461 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:21:34am

re: #457 pink freud

I think so too, Gus. Screw the Beltway.

Yep. Live free or die. Literally.

462 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:22:22am

re: #423 iceweasel

That analysis also describes the left-wing conspiracy nuts during the Bush years: the 9-11 troofers, the Halliburton-Bilderger obsessions, etc.

I would add another element to your idea of the lack of control. Some people feel powerless in the face of large forces beyond their control (the gov't, war, the economy, the weather). For some people, this sense of powerlessness compells them to find alternative, covert forms of power. Being "in" on the "truth" which the conspiracy theory purports to have confers a sense of power to the true believers. "Knowing" that 9-11 was in inside job, or that the Jews control the world's banks, or the Obama is a sekrit musselman, & so on, gives the powerless a sense that they are in possession of special power.

463 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:22:22am

re: #440 BatGuano

Let me try this again.

[Video]

Wow.

464 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:23:01am

Well folks, I'm going to head off. Sweet dreams to those of you heading that way, a wonderful day to those of you just starting yours.

Thanks for the kick ass fruit cup, Littleoldlady, I'd forgotten how good they were.

Take care everyone, see ya'll soon.

/g'nite Gus!

465 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:23:27am

re: #464 pink freud

Well folks, I'm going to head off. Sweet dreams to those of you heading that way, a wonderful day to those of you just starting yours.

Thanks for the kick ass fruit cup, Littleoldlady, I'd forgotten how good they were.

Take care everyone, see ya'll soon.

/g'nite Gus!

Good night Pink Freud. ;)

466 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:23:38am

BarkBarks whinin'.
Good time to see who stayed out too late by how they parked their cars...

467 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:23:59am

Hi, Kenneth.

468 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:23:59am

re: #439 pink freud

My 4 year old has a cold and crawled into bed beside me. He's snoring and sputtering away so loud I couldn't get back to sleep.

469 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:24:38am

re: #464 pink freud

Good night, {pink}. Thank you for your support.

470 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:25:16am

re: #469 Sharmuta

Goodnight Sharm Thank you too.

471 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:25:22am

re: #458 Sharmuta

I was just thinking that perhaps IrishRose or Defenseman could do a piece on Paranoia Disorders as I'm fairly certain some ex-lizards may be suffering from this condition.

Uh...yeah.

I went over to some stalker blog for the first time because I've seen them mentioned so much in the last few days. I don't know the backstory, don't need to know, don't care to know. I usually ignore comments and posts about it.

They are clearly very unhappy people. It goes far beyond 'normal' internet warfare or blog sniping, which is always a little ridiculous anyway.

Some of those people strike me as genuinely mentally disturbed. As in, clinically.

472 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:25:33am

I was going to post this earlier...

Well, on a serious note Khamenei gave Mousavi an ultimatum:

June 19, 2009
Khamenei tells Mousavi to toe the line over election or be cast out

The moderate Iranian leader who says that he was robbed of victory in last week’s presidential election faces a fateful choice today: support the regime or be cast out.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s Supreme Leader, has told Mir Hossein Mousavi to stand beside him as he uses Friday prayers at Tehran University to call for national unity. An army of Basiji — Islamic volunteer militiamen — is also expected to be bussed in to support the Supreme Leader.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

473 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:26:16am

'Night, pink! :-) Great seeing you.

474 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:27:42am

re: #471 iceweasel

Uh...yeah.

I went over to some stalker blog for the first time because I've seen them mentioned so much in the last few days. I don't know the backstory, don't need to know, don't care to know. I usually ignore comments and posts about it.

They are clearly very unhappy people. It goes far beyond 'normal' internet warfare or blog sniping, which is always a little ridiculous anyway.

Some of those people strike me as genuinely mentally disturbed. As in, clinically.

I have the distinction of having a stalker article made just for me -- if I remember correctly. Right Sharmuta?

475 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:28:03am

morning lizardia!

{littleoldlady}

how's meannastyteenager doing?

re: Pickens - look the guy is in it for the money. He sees gov't subsidies coming down for alternate energy sources and he missed out on the ethanol scam so he's going for wind farms.

I think he's Al Gore's secret hottie.

476 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:28:26am

re: #404 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

thanks for the fruitcup little old lady. And good morning all.

477 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:29:41am

wahabi! :-)

She's almost 21, would you believe?! So we renamed her MNTS.

/meannastytwentysomething

How's by you?

478 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:30:01am

re: #476 BlueCanuck

Morning, blue!

479 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:30:04am

BlueCanuck! :-)

480 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:30:05am

re: #472 Gus 802

The moderate Iranian leader

That crap just frosts my ass.

He's not a moderate. This is a fight between 2 mafia families. Whoever loses gets hung from a crane after Friday prayers.

481 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:30:07am

re: #476 BlueCanuck

Good morning, Blue.

482 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:30:46am

re: #474 Gus 802

Rodan has it out for you, you al qaeda loving serb hater! ;p

483 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:30:58am

re: #475 wahabicorridor

Right. I read that he bought a bunch of property specifically designated for wind farms. Then he makes commercials promoting the idea.

484 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:31:22am

re: #429 iceweasel

Oh wait-- let me add that, given the current economic climate you WOULD see an upswing in people feeling powerless, and therefore, according to this study, those people would also be more prone to conspiracy theories, superstition, and paranoia.

Makes sense. So this is one reason why Beck's ratings will climb right now.


Given my current situation I feel absolutely powerless, but still can't make the channel stop on Beck. Nor do I really want to.

485 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:32:18am

Just read my twitter feed. And it looks like Khameni is really not backing down, and standing by what the election results were.

486 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:33:47am

re: #482 Sharmuta

Rodan has it out for you, you al qaeda loving serb hater! ;p

Me? Actually, I'm harvesting a moth in my apartment. She will grow to 12 stories and I shall name her: Mothra. To battle Rodan!

//

Yeah, I can't help but have sided with the Bosnians.

487 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:33:47am

re: #483 littleoldlady

Right. I read that he bought a bunch of property specifically designated for wind farms. Then he makes commercials promoting the idea.


There is also something about water rights under the rights of way for the power lines carrying the power from the wind farms.

488 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:34:29am

re: #399 Gus 802

Hasn't there been a rise in APD amongst females? Recently that is.

Yes. I'm not an expert and I can't give you the current diagnostic stats for the US or the EU on this (and they treat them differently). But I do know that within the US there has been an increase in the number of females who are identified with APD; which means for all intents and purposes an upswing in the number of females who are acting out their aggression in physically violent ways, because that's what the current DSMIV standards count as 'aggression'

On the other side, there is a drive within the research community to change the standards so as to note that females often act out their violence and aggression in ways that don't involve physical violence.

For example, in every other category of behaviour for stalking, males outnumber females 9-1.
But when the use of the internet is added--so the capacity to send threatening and anonymous emails, set up violent webpages, etc--suddenly women make up 24% of the perpetrators.

(in both cases, the targets are almost always female, btw)

So women absolutely have the capacity and the desire to be as 'violent' as men; it's just that traditionally they've chosen different means of expressing it. And the current diagnostic criteria for APD hasn't caught up yet.

489 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:35:30am

re: #480 wahabicorridor

That crap just frosts my ass.

He's not a moderate. This is a fight between 2 mafia families. Whoever loses gets hung from a crane after Friday prayers.

Their only real option is to take down the Mullahs. Khamenei and the rest.

490 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:35:56am

re: #477 littleoldlady

How's by you?

We're good - except for the Fat Beagle. She's going in for an endoscopy next Weds. Major gastroenteritis - a lot of blood. We're thinking cancer or ulcer. This has been going on way too long. And her pet insurance won't cover it. But somehow, she's always happy.

Other than that, we're a hell of a lot better than many people we know.

/crossed fingers

For people who were not here at the time - yesterday on the dead thread christheprofessor posted that his brother died yesterday mornining - w/in weeks of a very unexpected cancer diagnosis. If goddess shows up, please ask her to put ctp on the prayer list.

491 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:37:08am

re: #487 soxfan4life

There is also something about water rights under the rights of way for the power lines carrying the power from the wind farms.

Free enterprise!

/...for some of us

492 pink freud  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:37:10am

re: #489 Gus 802

Their only real option is to take down the Mullahs. Khamenei and the rest.

Read Krauthammer's latest.

/sneaking back out

493 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:37:15am

re: #490 wahabicorridor

We're good - except for the Fat Beagle. She's going in for an endoscopy next Weds. Major gastroenteritis - a lot of blood. We're thinking cancer or ulcer. This has been going on way too long. And her pet insurance won't cover it. But somehow, she's always happy.

Other than that, we're a hell of a lot better than many people we know.

/crossed fingers

For people who were not here at the time - yesterday on the dead thread christheprofessor posted that his brother died yesterday mornining - w/in weeks of a very unexpected cancer diagnosis. If goddess shows up, please ask her to put ctp on the prayer list.


goddess no longer resides here realwest has taken over the prayer list.

494 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:37:42am

re: #488 iceweasel

This gets back to Dr Chesler's book. Women are aggressive with other women, but we act in more passive aggressive ways against each other.

495 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:37:47am

re: #492 pink freud

Read Krauthammer's latest.

/sneaking back out

Thanks. Later.

496 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:38:20am

In other words iceweasel- it's female misogyny.

497 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:38:21am

re: #451 littleoldlady

IslandLibertarian! :-)

OH! Morphine! An even better idea than booze!

/hope you feel better soon
//I think Fenway is in charge of the prune department...

That's pruno, littleoldlady...

498 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:39:07am

re: #474 Gus 802

I have the distinction of having a stalker article made just for me -- if I remember correctly. Right Sharmuta?

I wouldn't know; I spent 5 minutes reading one comment thread. That was enough.

They are not well. Seriously.

/although I remember seeing the name Rodan here and thinking why does everyone hate that Godzilla movie so much? So I'm glad I found out what the hell that was all about before I said "What's wrong with Rodan?" or similar. :)

499 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:39:08am

re: #490 wahabicorridor

Oh no! :-(

{[{wahabi}]} {[{MOLLY}]}

And to {[{christheprofessor}]}

500 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:39:35am

re: #489 Gus 802

Their only real option is to take down the Mullahs. Khamenei and the rest.

Agreed, but it won't happen. Iran is one giant kleptocracy of the mullahs. Thugs and theives.

501 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:39:53am

re: #488 iceweasel

Males make up @ 75% of the population that is diagnosed as having antisocial personality disorder. Females make up @ 75% of the population that is diagnosed as having borderline personality disorder. Some researchers and clinicians have speculated as to whether these are really the same disorder, but that it presents differently in males vs females.

502 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:40:16am

re: #497 Fenway_Nation

Picky, picky!

Fenway! :-)

503 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:41:05am

re: #498 iceweasel

I wouldn't know; I spent 5 minutes reading one comment thread. That was enough.

They are not well. Seriously.

/although I remember seeing the name Rodan here and thinking why does everyone hate that Godzilla movie so much? So I'm glad I found out what the hell that was all about before I said "What's wrong with Rodan?" or similar. :)

They're not well. I really don't pay much attention to them. Without us I would venture to say they would have nothing to talk about. Other than staring at each other.

504 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:42:42am

re: #487 soxfan4life

There is also something about water rights under the rights of way for the power lines carrying the power from the wind farms.

Do you have any links for that? I've spent almost a year studying water issues (globally not just U.S.).

The first thing I though of when I read your post was: Ah ha! He's trying to outfox the solar panel guys!

The reason I say that is because there is a push to set up an array of solar panels in the desert somewhere in Nevada I think. The problem is that they have to be cleaned of dust, etc., and that requires water - which by definition, the desert doesn't have.

So any more info you can give me about the water issue is much appreciated.

505 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:44:17am

re: #500 wahabicorridor

Agreed, but it won't happen. Iran is one giant kleptocracy of the mullahs. Thugs and theives.

It may happen but not in our lifetimes.

506 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:44:45am

re: #496 Sharmuta

In other words iceweasel- it's female misogyny.

Most, most definitely.

To be honest, that Phyllis Chesler book is one reason why I became interested in this particular topic: the gender bias within the psych community when it came to diagnosing sociopathy in women.

If you are interested, look at the DSM-IV criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder. Bearing the gender disparity in mind in re diagnosis-- it's exceedingly hard not to conclude that BPD is just the same thing as sociopathy--it's just sociopathy with a female face.

The female sociopath is often diagnosed with BPD because she acts out her aggression in the 'private' sphere: her relationships, her family.

The male sociopath is diagnosed with APD because he acts out his aggression in the 'public' sphere: physically violent acts against strangers.

That's one school of thought on it.

507 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:45:11am

re: #493 soxfan4life

goddess no longer resides here

WHAT?!

ok, real is on my shit list for not telling me this. I know I've been away for awhile but there is no excuse.

508 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:45:35am

re: #501 Kenneth

Exactly, see my post just prior to this. Same syndrome, differntial behaviour based on gender.

509 jim in virginia  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:46:21am

wahhabi corridor- Watson the Wonder Dog ("W") and Sweet Polly Purebred send their woof woof to Molly and you.

{christheprofessor}

510 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:48:46am

re: #508 iceweasel

Exactly, see my post just prior to this. Same syndrome, differntial behaviour based on gender.

Physiology will effect behavior.

511 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:48:47am

re: #490 wahabicorridor

goddess doesn't come here any more. Somebody else is handling the prayer list.

512 jim in virginia  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:49:30am

re: #504 wahabicorridor

solar panels in the desert have to be cleaned of dust, etc., and that requires water -

I'd never thought of that. The devil is in the details.
Could you use a giant Swifter?

Wahhabi, what's your take on Iran? What's going to happen? I wish I could see the future.

513 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:49:46am

Good night, all.

514 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:49:50am

re: #506 iceweasel

The female sociopath is often diagnosed with BPD because she acts out her aggression in the 'private' sphere: her relationships, her family.

Well, as an aside. In my family we have a female sociopath. She quite deliberately chose a career that will allow her to manipulate with authority.

She is an Episcopalian priest.

No joke.

515 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:51:08am

re: #508 iceweasel

I'm quite familiar with the topic. Ex-wife has BPD. She's a real mess.

516 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:51:41am

re: #462 Kenneth

That analysis also describes the left-wing conspiracy nuts during the Bush years: the 9-11 troofers, the Halliburton-Bilderger obsessions, etc.

I would add another element to your idea of the lack of control. Some people feel powerless in the face of large forces beyond their control (the gov't, war, the economy, the weather). For some people, this sense of powerlessness compells them to find alternative, covert forms of power. Being "in" on the "truth" which the conspiracy theory purports to have confers a sense of power to the true believers. "Knowing" that 9-11 was in inside job, or that the Jews control the world's banks, or the Obama is a sekrit musselman, & so on, gives the powerless a sense that they are in possession of special power.

I agree with everything you say here, with the small caveat that I can't claim credit for the idea that feeling powerless leads people to be more prone to conspiracy theories. That claim strikes me as intuitive, but it's far from new, and I posted a link to a cool empirical study that demonstrates that in action.

Another factor in the appeal of conspiracy theories has to do with narcissism: the belief that one is in possession of a special truth, or that one is a member of a small and highly elite group that alone has access to the truth. As you indicate when you mention the appeal of 'special power'.

517 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:53:41am

re: #515 Kenneth

I'm quite familiar with the topic. Ex-wife has BPD. She's a real mess.

Then you unfortunately really do know all there is to know about it; I'm really sorry.
I've heard some stories from people in that situation; they're invariably horrific.

518 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:53:44am

'Night, BatGuano! :-)

519 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:55:06am

Night BatGuano. Pleasant dreams.

520 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:55:48am

Wel...here's a map of wind and wind-related transmission lines in the USA. It would be nice if they show us where some of the actual windmills are.

I'm a little surprised to see the Tehachapi and Beaumont Pass in California classified as 'marginal'- that was the first time I ever saw giant windmills being used for power transmission, and that was like 20 years ago.

521 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:56:39am

re: #510 Gus 802

Physiology will effect behavior.

Of course; but there isn't good reason to think that's so with personality disorders. They're disorders of the personality, and as such not tied to any brain structure or physical feature; a massive gender differential therefore looks a bit odd to begin with.

Gender does affect how we act. That seems to be the problem here, not the physiology.

522 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:58:48am

re: #520 Fenway_Nation

Er...here's the map...

523 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 2:59:23am

re: #512 jim in virginia

I'd never thought of that. The devil is in the details.
Could you use a giant Swifter?

Wahhabi, what's your take on Iran? What's going to happen? I wish I could see the future.

Oh hey there! Long time no talk to. I've been away for a long time.

My take on Iran is not objective. When I was in college my boyfriend and I had a friend who was of a very prominent Iranian family - he blonged to the family of the shah that the Palavis overthrew. He was a grad student in aeronautical engineering at Penn State. Tons of Daddy's money. Drove a Rolls Royce. He started to build this mansion and Daddy pulled the plug, hauled his ass back to Tehran.

Fast forward to the revolution. I had moved to the Washington by the time. A lot of us tried to find him. I was told by the State Dept. to shut up - if it ever became known he had American friends trying to help him, it seriously would not help him. His mother was French so I just hoped they made it to France.

Several years later, I was telling this story to an Iranian colleague who had managed to escape. She just looked at me slack-jawed. "What did you say his name was?" I told her again. She said "I'm sorry to tell you this, but from what I've heard, none of them made it".

Khomeini wiped out the entire family.

Suffice to say, I am not sanguine.

I post on a German-American relations blog and we used to have an Iranian poster who popped up every now and then. He actually defended hanging 14 year old children from cranes. The only French person I've ever met is the woman on that blog who just ripped him a new one in the most creative manner you can imagine.

No. I have no hope for Iran.

524 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:00:05am

Well, there actually IS an International Jewish Conspiracy...

/please destroy the link after you've read the site
//we're trying to keep a low profile, donja know!

525 Dekar  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:00:30am

The amount of lies spewed out by Ayatolla Khamanei in his speech right now is pretty sickening. He said that normal individuals raided Tehran university and killed innocent religious Muslims when it was actually Basij that raided secularists in the dorms. He also made up a quote and attributed it to Obama to make it sound like the USA is supporting the riots.

Almost everything he said was shockingly false, and he said it without any hesitation. Even worse is Christiane Amanpour's reporting of it afterwords not mentioning ANY of the blatant lies AT ALL.

526 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:00:58am

re: #521 iceweasel

Of course; but there isn't good reason to think that's so with personality disorders. They're disorders of the personality, and as such not tied to any brain structure or physical feature; a massive gender differential therefore looks a bit odd to begin with.

Gender does affect how we act. That seems to be the problem here, not the physiology.

Right. By physiology I mean the physiology of gender and its effects therein. Males will be more aggressive by nature or biology.

527 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:01:11am

re: #514 wahabicorridor

Well, as an aside. In my family we have a female sociopath. She quite deliberately chose a career that will allow her to manipulate with authority.

She is an Episcopalian priest.

No joke.

Unfortunately the 'highfunctioning' sociopaths are drawn to those sorts of careers: ones that allow them to have power and authority and maximize their chances for manipulating others.

Priesthood, politics, surgeons (not doctors as that requires a bedside manner), CEOs, academia, law enforcement--

Not that everyone in those professions is a sociopath, but those professions are highly attractive to the high functioning sociopath. They allow for the exertion of authority over others and foster the belief that one is a member of the elite, and that special rules apply to one.

or so I've read.

528 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:02:23am

re: #525 Dekar

Well here's the live twitter of the speech. Courtesy of an Iranian.

529 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:03:06am

re: #522 Fenway_Nation

The most interesting thing about that map is finding out that DOE actually has something called the National Renewable Energy Lab.

That should be fun to research.

530 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:04:09am

re: #516 iceweasel

I read a similar analysis too. Not my origianl ideas.

531 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:04:32am

re: #526 Gus 802

Right. By physiology I mean the physiology of gender and its effects therein. Males will be more aggressive by nature or biology.

Right. Women have the capacity for physical cruelty but lack the physical strength, often, so they find other means and methods of exerting it. One is getting a male to commit the act for her; another (and more popular) one is finding outlets for her aggression and cruelty that don't involve physical violence.

But women are very aggressive, particularly against other women; we merely channel it and exert it differently.

532 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:04:41am

re: #525 Dekar

The amount of lies spewed out by Ayatolla Khamanei in his speech right now is pretty sickening. He said that normal individuals raided Tehran university and killed innocent religious Muslims when it was actually Basij that raided secularists in the dorms. He also made up a quote and attributed it to Obama to make it sound like the USA is supporting the riots.

Almost everything he said was shockingly false, and he said it without any hesitation. Even worse is Christiane Amanpour's reporting of it afterwords not mentioning ANY of the blatant lies AT ALL.

And from Christiane Amanpour's and CNN you expected what exactly?

533 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:05:13am

re: #523 wahabicorridor

My only experience with Iranians has been with the now-adult children of exiles here. Some of them were permitted to go back to visit extended family...

Using that template, I could've held out some hope for Iran in my lifetime

534 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:05:43am

re: #527 iceweasel

Unfortunately the 'highfunctioning' sociopaths are drawn to those sorts of careers: ones that allow them to have power and authority and maximize their chances for manipulating others.

Priesthood, politics, surgeons (not doctors as that requires a bedside manner), CEOs, academia, law enforcement--

Not that everyone in those professions is a sociopath, but those professions are highly attractive to the high functioning sociopath. They allow for the exertion of authority over others and foster the belief that one is a member of the elite, and that special rules apply to one.

or so I've read.

and so I have occasionally observed with my own eyes.

535 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:06:07am

re: #531 iceweasel

Right. Women have the capacity for physical cruelty but lack the physical strength, often, so they find other means and methods of exerting it. One is getting a male to commit the act for her; another (and more popular) one is finding outlets for her aggression and cruelty that don't involve physical violence.

But women are very aggressive, particularly against other women; we merely channel it and exert it differently.

OK, I see what you mean now. Good point.

536 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:06:09am

re: #527 iceweasel

or so I've read.

You read right. I'm reading "Malignant Self Love". It's about narcissists.

It could also be titled "The unauthorized biography of Barack Obama".

537 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:06:28am

Khameini has spoken.
He blamed the Jews and the Americans for the violence.
He blamed foreign agents for pretending to be Iranians and killing students.
He affirmed the vote count and the election result.
He forbade any further street demonstrations questioning the election results and threatened consequences.
He accused the US, Britain and European nations of encouraging the illegal demonstrations.

The ball is now in the opposition`s court.
The stage is set for the big showdown if Moussavi wants it.

538 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:06:32am

re: #525 Dekar

The amount of lies spewed out by Ayatolla Khamanei in his speech right now is pretty sickening. He said that normal individuals raided Tehran university and killed innocent religious Muslims when it was actually Basij that raided secularists in the dorms. He also made up a quote and attributed it to Obama to make it sound like the USA is supporting the riots.

Almost everything he said was shockingly false, and he said it without any hesitation. Even worse is Christiane Amanpour's reporting of it afterwords not mentioning ANY of the blatant lies AT ALL.

I was just trying to watch that and had to stop, I got so upset.

539 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:06:38am

re: #533 Fenway_Nation

My only experience with Iranians has been with the now-adult children of exiles here. Some of them were permitted to go back to visit extended family...

Using that template, I could've held out some hope for Iran in my lifetime

I wish i could hold some hope for the Yankees while A-Rod's still on the team but alas I can't. Quote the raven, "Nevermore"? or something like that.

540 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:07:22am

re: #537 Spare O'Lake

Khameini has spoken.
He blamed the Jews and the Americans for the violence.
He blamed foreign agents for pretending to be Iranians and killing students.
He affirmed the vote count and the election result.
He forbade any further street demonstrations questioning the election results and threatened consequences.
He accused the US, Britain and European nations of encouraging the illegal demonstrations.

The ball is now in the opposition`s court.
The stage is set for the big showdown if Moussavi wants it.

Well does Moussavi want to live?

541 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:08:04am

re: #532 Nevergiveup

And from Christiane Amanpour's and CNN you expected what exactly?

Perpetual ass-kissing of 0bama and vicious assaults on anyone who attributes false quotes to the 0ne...

Oh...wait. There's no Ayatollah Limbaughi.

542 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:08:21am

re: #537 Spare O'Lake

From what I have been reading and seeing, they are still planning on demonstrating after Friday prayers. We shall see what happens in a couple of hours.

543 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:09:13am

re: #530 Kenneth

I read a similar analysis too. Not my origianl ideas.

The researcher in me wants to ask you more; the human in me doesn't want to violate your privacy or offend you.

I would be really grateful for any insight you had into this and BPD in particular. Maybe you could post about it in an impersonal way? I'm sure you must know much that I don't.

My apologies in advance if I'm crossing a line. I would be grateful for your knowledge.

544 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:09:26am

Whoever invented minesweeper is a real a-hole.
L8R.

545 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:09:29am

Tweet:

Winston80 I predict Tiananmen square for #Iran - scary - #iranelection

546 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:10:33am

re: #536 wahabicorridor

You read right. I'm reading "Malignant Self Love". It's about narcissists.

It could also be titled "The unauthorized biography of Barack Obama".

Whoa-- wait-- that's not one of the Sam Vakhin books is it?

547 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:10:38am

re: #537 Spare O'Lake

Khameini has spoken.
He blamed the Jews and the Americans for the violence.
He blamed foreign agents for pretending to be Iranians and killing students.
He affirmed the vote count and the election result.
He forbade any further street demonstrations questioning the election results and threatened consequences.
He accused the US, Britain and European nations of encouraging the illegal demonstrations.

The ball is now in the opposition`s court.
The stage is set for the big showdown if Moussavi wants it.

Two words:

Armed struggle.

I know that won't happen.

548 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:10:54am

re: #539 Nevergiveup


Hey now...I like the Yankees just the way they are right now...

549 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:11:13am

Winstons liveblogging over the night time.

550 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:12:33am

re: #533 Fenway_Nation

Using that template, I could've held out some hope for Iran in my lifetime

It would require a river of blood. And I just don't think there is any stomach for that.

Keep this in mind. Mousavi is not a reformer. Iranians aren't asking for reform. They're asking for their votes to be counted.

Don't know if you were around at the time, but an LGF operative did some independent research a few years ago and went out of her way to meet Khatami at a CAIR-sponsored dinner and wrote about it for LGF.

My Evening with Khatami

551 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:12:50am

re: #534 reine.de.tout

and so I have occasionally observed with my own eyes.

Do we get to hear the story?

552 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:13:59am

re: #546 iceweasel

Whoa-- wait-- that's not one of the Sam Vakhin books is it?

Yes. Why do you ask?

553 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:14:12am

re: #550 wahabicorridor

[deleted]

;-)

554 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:14:30am

re: #545 BlueCanuck

God help me, I'd rather there be a Tianamen Square in Tehran than for the opposition to simply accept Khameni's demands and have this uprising peter out while the mullahs have been caught off gaurd and on the defensive.

Oh...and he's probably true about the Iranian demonstrators being killed by foreigners. Specifically Hezbollah...

555 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:14:44am

Gates: Hawaii protected by missile defenses

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

In a related story Admiral Husband E. Kimmel says he intends to protect the Fleet by keeping it tied up at the anchorage and will use this new fangled radar thing to make sure the Germans don't attack.

556 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:15:29am

re: #548 Fenway_Nation

Hey now...I like the Yankees just the way they are right now...

Oh G-D I shoulda died in 2000?

557 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:15:41am

re: #553 littleoldlady

[deleted]

;-)

The Planets - Mars

558 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:15:51am

Twitter has been very quiet past couple of days, but just in, some new ones:

so predictable of our supreme leader! he talked about US conspiracy (as usual)

Ppl in crowd chanting "Death to America" #iranelection

Khamanei "I'm just so sorry that countries worrying about UN violations in Iran" #iranelection

Khamanei "Plz God, protect us, make us continue with our powers" #iranelection

Ok ppl, I think it will officially be a war in Iran from now on..

I see pure evil in khamenei, threatening peaceful demonstrations with even greater violence...#iranelection

RT @electronicmaji: not only did Khamenei piss off the majority of his nation,he pissed of the majority of the world

Ppl in Iran will most likely not accept ths, remember "peace if possible but truth at all costs" #iranelection

khameneyi said people should not go to streets killing Innocent basij & police troops, it will have a bad outcome if continues

khameneyi: defeated candidates should accept the outcome! by doing this (calling people to streets) they are just helping the enemy

he already accused moosavi & karoubi to be fooled by the enemy! and he's not going to drop this "enemy" act any time soon

559 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:16:45am

It's too bad for the Iranians that Obama is President now. Somebody (ANYBODY!) else would have handled this WAY differently. :-(

/not that it would have necessarily changed the outcome...

I have to go.

Good day, ALL!™

560 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:17:32am

re: #551 iceweasel

Do we get to hear the story?

No story, really!
Just observing things that go on in the news mostly, priests who are unholy men and would not be priests except for the power and access it gives them.

Some teachers, professors (I had one, years ago).

A boss I had once.

Just those sorts of observations, no really stories that have affected me in a particularly permanent or negative way.

561 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:17:59am

Bye littleoldlady. See you around sooner or later.

562 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:18:46am

re: #559 littleoldlady

It's too bad for the Iranians that Obama is President now. Somebody (ANYBODY!) else would have handled this WAY differently. :-(

/not that it would have necessarily changed the outcome...

I have to go.

Good day, ALL!™

Lover you sweetie, take care.

563 Gus  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:19:52am

Hope and Change -- but Not for Iran

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 19, 2009

Millions of Iranians take to the streets to defy a theocratic dictatorship that, among its other finer qualities, is a self-declared enemy of America and the tolerance and liberties it represents. The demonstrators are fighting on their own, but they await just a word that America is on their side...

H/T Pink Freud

564 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:20:05am

re: #550 wahabicorridor

I made this point many times this week, but going back 20 years ago, lets assume some of the demonstrators at Tianamen square got some of what they asked for...what would've happened?

The Central Committee would've been still staffed with Party lackeys, and still be rife with corruption, brutality and nepotism after some token gesture would've been made to placate them. Instead, the uprising gets crushed under PLA tank treads-

Simply demanding change or accountability from a totalitarian system was enough of an affront to the totalitarian powers that be that it had to be crushed right then and there.

565 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:22:01am

re: #564 Fenway_Nation

Exactly.

This is a contest between theocratic tyranny and a relative secular tyranny.

There is no good outcome to this in terms of human freedom and dignity.

566 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:22:33am

re: #552 wahabicorridor

Yes. Why do you ask?

Don't look to him for any real info. The guy claims to be a recovering narcissist; his "PhD' is in something like physical therapy. He's not cited in any academic journals; he is not a genuine researcher.

I can easily believe he really is a narcissist though; google him and he'll pop up all over, he runs forums and websites and god knows what else.

It's possibly worth reading his first-person accounts of what it's like to be a narcissist from the inside--but do not think he is a clinican, an academic, qualified, or certified.

I think he's even wangled his way into being the author of something that looks legit -- some website that's a clearing house for psych info, he's their author of the entry on narcissism--but he isn't an authority.

Treat whatever you read by him as if you were reading some pop psychology written by a lazy journalist who lacks a science degree and you'll be ok.

567 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:24:06am

OOH!
Big diss on Hillary Clinton in that Khamanie speech apparently:

RT@dornab oh yeah, he also said about hillary: This woman whose husband was the president.. & now she talks! [and ppl started laughing]
568 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:24:12am

re: #537 Spare O'Lake

I'm guessing Khamenei's speech was handed to him by Ahmadinejad and the IRGC. He is their puppet now. The fanatics behind the coup have dropped the veil. It's in the open now. God help the Iranian people.

569 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:24:20am

The moment of truth has arrived, and we will soon see whether Moussavi and his supporters are true revolutionary patriots willing to spill their blood and put their freedom on the line, or whether they will quickly wither and allow their movement to be cowed into submission.

570 Karridine  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:24:38am

Iran... what would happen if there were NO street-filling demonstrations, just an eerie silence as millions of people stayed home, 'sick' of the corruption?

571 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:25:02am

re: #569 Spare O'Lake

The moment of truth has arrived, and we will soon see whether Moussavi and his supporters are true revolutionary patriots willing to spill their blood and put their freedom on the line, or whether they will quickly wither and allow their movement to be cowed into submission.

And it will be very hard to know what's happening, what with the blackout on news except for those speeches they want to be heard.

572 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:25:16am

For the record, I've had a few screwdrivers tonight and polished off about 25% of the 1.75L bottle of Bacardi...so I apologize for any repetitive posts or typos.

573 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:25:20am

re: #566 iceweasel

There is some irony in a narcissist telling you he's the world's greatest authority on Narcissism.

574 Karridine  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:25:57am

re: #571 reine.de.tout

But they CANNOT stop humankind's evolution into higher social forms...

575 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:26:41am

re: #572 Fenway_Nation

For the record, I've had a few screwdrivers tonight and polished off about 25% of the 1.75L bottle of Bacardi...so I apologize for any repetitive posts or typos.

Are you still under the influence? Remember that $500 you owe me?

576 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:26:54am

re: #566 iceweasel

Ah ha!

I have been skimming the book - I wanted to know about the spouses of these people. He calls them 'victims'.

In my experience, they're not. They're just less successful narcissists.

He does have some very good insights, tho. That he is not a card-carrying clinician is something I will certainly take into account.

But some card-carrying clinicians are - um - power narcissists/sociopaths.

It's still an interesting read, but thanks much for the heads up.

577 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:28:28am

re: #543 iceweasel

My nic is blue. Please send me an email if you have some questions. I will be happy to tell you what I know.

578 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:28:47am

re: #560 reine.de.tout

No story, really!
Just observing things that go on in the news mostly, priests who are unholy men and would not be priests except for the power and access it gives them.

Some teachers, professors (I had one, years ago).

A boss I had once.

Just those sorts of observations, no really stories that have affected me in a particularly permanent or negative way.

Phew! I'm glad for you.

There's some people now who make money specialising in organisational psychology--specifically identifying and removing 'corporate sociopaths'. The boss from hell, basically.

You might find this interesting. I think this is a UK group? They're not academics but this profile they've put together is pretty damn comprehensive, and I'd bet you'll see your old boss in it. A lot of people will:

[Link: www.bullyonline.org...]

579 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:29:22am

re: #570 Karridine


People who didn't show up would be replaced by Achmedinejahd's base from the countryside, I imagine...

580 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:32:07am

gotta hop lizards. The Fat Beagle, aka She Who Must Be Obeyed, has just presented me with her bunny.

581 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:32:26am

re: #575 Nevergiveup


You gave me $500? That doesn't even cover the itnerest I'm charging on the $125,000 I'm lending you...

/keyboard isn't that blurry

582 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:32:56am

re: #581 Fenway_Nation

ROFLMAO!

/nice comeback.

583 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:33:13am

re: #578 iceweasel

Phew! I'm glad for you.

There's some people now who make money specialising in organisational psychology--specifically identifying and removing 'corporate sociopaths'. The boss from hell, basically.

You might find this interesting. I think this is a UK group? They're not academics but this profile they've put together is pretty damn comprehensive, and I'd bet you'll see your old boss in it. A lot of people will:

[Link: www.bullyonline.org...]


OMG:
These especially but many of the other behaviors also. The following are the ones that finally convinced me to leave and find another job - I would not "fall into line":

excels at deception (this must never be underestimated, but always is)

excels at evasion of accountability

will often engineer himself or herself into a position of authority as gatekeeper of the organisation and thus the person through whom all information must flow, and the person to whom all requests for services must be referred - which he or she then takes delight in denying

is adept at offering weak and inadequate people the positions of power, control, security, influence or respect that they crave but who lack the necessary competencies to achieve - such people are unaware that their consequent dependence on the sociopath makes them permanent manipulatees, pawns and expendable agents of harassment
identifies those essential to the sociopath's survival and manipulates their perceptions them by making them feel special and thus obligated to reciprocate with support and protection

manipulates others into making fools of themselves in situations where they cannot back down or from which they cannot withdraw - these people become increasingly susceptible to further manipulation and are then trapped as pawns in the sociopath's game

584 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:33:15am

re: #580 wahabicorridor

Happy hopping, wahabi!

585 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:36:20am

re: #573 Kenneth

There is some irony in a narcissist telling you he's the world's greatest authority on Narcissism.

Yes. It's funny and ironic, but that is exactly what's wrong with Vaknin.

He can't stop exaggerating his claims, his theories, and boasting about his expertise. He's definitely worth reading but almost on a meta-level-- you have to be reading him constantly looking for what he isn't saying as much as what he is saying. And you have to second guess everything he says.

His 'business' now is a kind of proof that these people can't be cured.

586 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:37:00am

Okay, gotta get ready and move out the door. At least it's not raining this morning. Get to stay dry for the walk to work.

587 Dar ul Harbarian  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:38:53am

Khamenei to protesters: STFU. STFD.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a rare speech at Friday prayers at Tehran University, said protests should cease and the opposition must pursue its complaints within the confines of the cleric-led ruling system.

He said protesters would be "held responsible for chaos if they didn't end" days of massive demonstrations, and that official results showing a landslide for hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were beyond question. "There is 11 million votes difference," Mr. Khamenei said. "How one can rig 11 million votes?"

588 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:39:08am

Here's a picture of a blue and white SD60 leading a freight train in Washington state that I was going to post for no apparent reason.

/It is an open thread, after all.

589 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:39:34am

re: #586 BlueCanuck

Okay, gotta get ready and move out the door. At least it's not raining this morning. Get to stay dry for the walk to work.

Damn.
Wish you'd send us some of that rain.
It's been so dry, the grass is crunchy underfoot.
Really strange state of affairs for South Louisiana.

590 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:41:04am

re: #586 BlueCanuck

Bye blue!

591 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:41:58am

re: #583 reine.de.tout

OMG:
These especially but many of the other behaviors also. The following are the ones that finally convinced me to leave and find another job - I would not "fall into line":

excels at deception (this must never be underestimated, but always is)

excels at evasion of accountability

will often engineer himself or herself into a position of authority as gatekeeper of the organisation and thus the person through whom all information must flow, and the person to whom all requests for services must be referred - which he or she then takes delight in denying

is adept at offering weak and inadequate people the positions of power, control, security, influence or respect that they crave but who lack the necessary competencies to achieve - such people are unaware that their consequent dependence on the sociopath makes them permanent manipulatees, pawns and expendable agents of harassment
identifies those essential to the sociopath's survival and manipulates their perceptions them by making them feel special and thus obligated to reciprocate with support and protection

manipulates others into making fools of themselves in situations where they cannot back down or from which they cannot withdraw - these people become increasingly susceptible to further manipulation and are then trapped as pawns in the sociopath's game

I knew it. Not to pat myself on the back too hard... much.

But yes. I knew that you'd find stuff in that list that would be like a list you could have written yourself.

This one:

excels at deception (this must never be underestimated, but always is)

is crucial, because we normal people don't get it until we encounter it. These people have literally no compunction about telling the most outrageous, sweeping, breathtaking lies, all the time, in meetings, to superiors, to your own face.

One signal of these people is the ability to say "I never said that" even though they'd said whatever it was just 5 minutes before.

592 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:46:55am

re: #591 iceweasel

I knew it. Not to pat myself on the back too hard... much.

But yes. I knew that you'd find stuff in that list that would be like a list you could have written yourself.

This one:

excels at deception (this must never be underestimated, but always is)

is crucial, because we normal people don't get it until we encounter it. These people have literally no compunction about telling the most outrageous, sweeping, breathtaking lies, all the time, in meetings, to superiors, to your own face. . ..
.


That one played big-time into my decision to leave.
I bent over backwards trying to accomplish a particular thing for this person, as to putting a person into a job she wanted to promote the person into.
But I had to do it through "legal" means (civil service)
It could be accomplished, but there were some hoops.
So the boss writes a note to HER boss, complaining about how uncooperative I was being, etc, WHEN I HAD NOT BEEN. Clearly an attempt to marginalize me.
She denied writing the note, EXCEPT she had dropped it on the floor and I found it, and had it.
I knew then it was time to leave; actually worked out well, I found a better-paying job.
Joke was on her!

593 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:48:20am

Wonder how many oil rigs are in Laurie David's backyard?

594 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:49:06am

twitter update, these from StopAhmadi, generally accurate info:

I'd say Iranian ppl will go w/ Ganhdi-like protests, we genuinely believe peaceful protests 2 B most powerful.

I heard UN Human Rights complained about the approx 800 arrested ppl In Iran, confirm? #iranelection

"UN rights chief concerned about Iran violence" [Link: is.gd...] #iranelection #gr88

595 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:50:37am

re: #594 reine.de.tout

The UN? Guess Achmedinejahd and the mullahs should brace for a strongly-worded statement...

Those smart...just ask Kim Jong-Il

596 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:55:13am

re: #592 reine.de.tout

You did the best possible thing; I'm so glad it worked out even better for you!

I'm going to just note these two very ominous traits from that list:

# is always surrounded by and leaves behind a trail of dysfunctional organisations, destroyed businesses, ruined careers, stress breakdowns and unexplained suicides

# despite a trail of devastation to individuals, organisations, families and communities, the actions of a socialised psychopath may go undetected or unrecognised for years

Such people can succeed in making an entire department or organisation 'sick'. They can get away with it for years. There's a growing industry in the US for 'organisational psychologists' who specialise in treating organisations; that is, they come in and identify the people like your boss who are creating a climate that is killing their department or the company and driving away all the good people.

Ironically, the people like your boss also excel at sucking up and ass covering. They have to. So often their bosses love them, and have no idea of the havoc they're wreaking.

(I'm out of here for a bit; I have to catch up on the WaPo firing their only decent columnist. What's up with that?)

597 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:57:55am

re: #595 Fenway_Nation

The UN? Guess Achmedinejahd and the mullahs should brace for a strongly-worded statement...

Those smart...just ask Kim Jong-Il

Heh.
that's what I was thinking when I read that "tweet".
Those poor people have no clue that the interest of the U.N. means nothing of substance.

598 Fierce Guppy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:59:52am

re: #563 Gus 802

The Iranian protestors know that a great many people in the West are on their side. Forget about what your useless president does and does not say. They're going to be fighting on their own, anyway. I've been scouring twitter, google, and various other forums for the past three days. I've taken some holiday leave for this purpose. Believe me, the protestors are over the moon about all the support they're getting.

Tony.

599 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:02:18am

Yay! Sisters of Mercy- thank you magical XM feed!

600 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:03:52am

re: #598 Fierce Guppy

Since the mullahs have already come right out and accused the West of inciting the demonstrators, what's to be lost by having some sort of tacit statement of support from Western 'leaders'?

601 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:04:01am

Khamenei now says the vote was legitimate and is saying that the US and GB are interfering in Iran.

602 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:04:13am

Morning Lizards.

603 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:04:33am

Morning rightside!

604 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:04:52am

GAH! That sounds like something out of an 8th grade English class.

605 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:05:02am

re: #603 Fenway_Nation

Hey Fenway

606 Fierce Guppy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:07:10am

re: #600 Fenway_Nation

Nothing at all. Like I said, whatever Obama does or doesn't say, the protestors are fighting on their own.

Tony.

607 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:07:50am

re: #598 Fierce Guppy

I wish there were a way to get the message to them, that many people over here are rooting for their desire for freedom. Some type of forum or message signed by those of us here who want them to succeed.

608 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:11:03am

re: #607 rightside

This might sound insane...but...maybe snail mail from a 'neutral' country?

I would imagine that the censors would be so busy trying to clamp down on electronic communications that they wouldn't have the resources to monitor regular postal mail...

609 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:13:11am

Came back to post this. You won't like it. Stratfor on Iran.

Perhaps the greatest factor in Ahmadinejad’s favor is that Mousavi spoke for the better districts of Tehran — something akin to running a U.S. presidential election as a spokesman for Georgetown and the Upper East Side. Such a base will get you hammered, and Mousavi got hammered. Fraud or not, Ahmadinejad won and he won significantly. That he won is not the mystery; the mystery is why others thought he wouldn’t win.

We call this outlook “iPod liberalism,” the idea that anyone who listens to rock ‘n’ roll on an iPod, writes blogs and knows what it means to Twitter must be an enthusiastic supporter of Western liberalism

610 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:13:57am

re: #608 Fenway_Nation

I see your point. I am not sure one could convey the message that millions here support them. I am sure eventually, they will find out that we are rooting for them.

611 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:14:27am

re: #600 Fenway_Nation

Since the mullahs have already come right out and accused the West of inciting the demonstrators, what's to be lost by having some sort of tacit statement of support from Western 'leaders'?

STOP MEDDLING!

612 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:17:58am

Good morning Lizards.

613 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:19:48am

Morning mamacares!

614 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:19:55am

re: #612 mamacares

good morning.

615 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:21:59am

re: #601 MandyManners

Khamenei now says the vote was legitimate and is saying that the US and GB are interfering in Iran.

He allowed that there could have been 500,000 or even 1,000,000 phony ballots, but 11,000,000 - IMPOSSIBLE!
(I think he probably got that line from the MSM)
He outright accused foreign agents of masquerading as Iranian law enforcement and killing students, setting fires and breaking windows in order to try to discredit the government.

I thought Muslims were only allowed to lie to infidels.///

616 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:22:26am

Well, the slobbering love affair between the MSM and President Obama has reached the point of total absurdity. Remember the fly? Get this, they are now using that to compare Obama to Lincoln:
Like Obama, Lincoln had his own run-in with a pesky fly


CHICAGO -- President Obama launched his campaign from Abraham Lincoln’s hometown, used his bible to be sworn in and quotes Lincoln at the drop of a stovepipe hat. Now it seems the two share something else: an encounter with a fly.

Daniel Weinberg, the owner of the Abraham Lincoln Book Shop in Chicago, has a photograph of Lincoln with a house fly on him.


This article is not from the Onion.

617 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:24:35am

re: #615 Spare O'Lake

re: #601 MandyManners


He allowed that there could have been 500,000 or even 1,000,000 phony ballots, but 11,000,000 - IMPOSSIBLE!
(I think he probably got that line from the MSM)
He outright accused foreign agents of masquerading as Iranian law enforcement and killing students, setting fires and breaking windows in order to try to discredit the government.

I thought Muslims were only allowed to lie to infidels.///

I do think there were foreigners in Iran who were killing students, torching droms and beating women for all the world to see this week.

Hezbollah.

618 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:24:38am

re: #616 3 wood

Well, the slobbering love affair between the MSM and President Obama has reached the point of total absurdity. Remember the fly? Get this, they are now using that to compare Obama to Lincoln:
Like Obama, Lincoln had his own run-in with a pesky fly

This article is not from the Onion.

What's with the infestation in the White House?

619 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:25:00am

re: #618 Spare O'Lake

Flies are drawn to bullshit?

620 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:25:51am

re: #616 3 wood

Our state run media.

621 Fierce Guppy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:27:06am

re: #607 rightside

You can say so here at iran.whyweprotest.net when it's up again. I was only using it an hour ago! This is the first time it's been down.

Yesterday I was watching an IRC feed from the #iran channel from this site, and the tech discussions on how to get more iranians access to the outside world was amazing. It was above my head, but it ~looked~ amazing. :-)

btw, Tweet Grid is a good way to pick up interesting links.

622 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:27:06am

re: #615 Spare O'Lake

He allowed that there could have been 500,000 or even 1,000,000 phony ballots, but 11,000,000 - IMPOSSIBLE!
(I think he probably got that line from the MSM)
He outright accused foreign agents of masquerading as Iranian law enforcement and killing students, setting fires and breaking windows in order to try to discredit the government.

I thought Muslims were only allowed to lie to infidels.///

The only foreigners there that I've heard about are members of Hizballah.

623 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:27:29am

Thank you Fenway-Nation and rightside. Means a lot.

624 Bloodnok  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:27:49am

Good morning. I hope everyone is well.

625 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:28:55am

The futures are pointing to a market opening on the upside.

Right now, the market is trading sideways, looking for a clear sign of economic growth.

626 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:29:37am

re: #622 MandyManners

The only foreigners there that I've heard about are members of Hizballah.

You mean poor widdle Hamas is missing out on the fun?

627 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:30:10am

re: #625 3 wood

Overseas markets looked like they were mostly trading sideways when I went in to check up on them. Precious metals were up when I checked, but by less that 1%...

628 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:31:07am

re: #623 mamacares

Care to share your thoughts on the happenings in Iran? If not, it's ok too!

629 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:31:26am

re: #624 Bloodnok

morning, just dandy here.

630 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:31:38am

I was busy last night so I did not see the news. Has Obama apologized to North Korea yet?

So how is that "apologizing for the US existing" foreign policy working for everybody?

631 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:31:50am

re: #626 Spare O'Lake

re: #622 MandyManners


You mean poor widdle Hamas is missing out on the fun?

Poor babies. Swinging a club at unarmed teenage girls seems like just their speed.

No...scratch that. Some of those persian babes are feisty! They would've been calling for their mommies (well- the ones that didn't homor-kill their moms).

632 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:34:36am

Afraid to say much. I don't like the repression at all. I don't have much expectation of any improvement there for the moment. I don't know what it would take.

633 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:34:43am

re: #626 Spare O'Lake

You mean poor widdle Hamas is missing out on the fun?

I reckon they're busy being oppressed by the Israelis.

634 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:35:33am

re: #633 MandyManners


/"Help help! I'm being opressed!"

635 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:36:06am

re: #630 3 wood

I was busy last night so I did not see the news. Has Obama apologized to North Korea yet?

So how is that "apologizing for the US existing" foreign policy working for everybody?

I foresee Uncle Sam getting massive wedgies one day.

636 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:37:28am

The EU backing off more "stimulus" spending.
EU Sees ‘Sustainable’ Recovery Without More Stimulus

European Union leaders spotted the first signs of a “sustainable economic recovery” from the worst slump since World War II and ruled out further pump- priming measures.

In a draft statement at today’s summit in Brussels, the 27 EU heads of state and government said the looming end of the recession makes additional stimulus unnecessary, adding that it is time to start hatching an “exit strategy.” They also agreed to overhaul financial regulation after banking supervision failed to contain the crisis sparked in the U.S. housing market.

“Further budgetary stimulus would not be warranted and attention should shift toward consolidation, keeping pace with economic recovery,” the leaders said in the draft, which was obtained by Bloomberg News. “There is a clear need for a reliable and credible exit strategy.”

I have an exit strategy for the US too. It involves some Congress critters telling the Messiah that enough is enough.

637 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:37:46am

Well...I should get going

638 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:38:29am

re: #634 Fenway_Nation

/"Help help! I'm being opressed!"

That can never, ever get old. No matter what.

639 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:38:39am

re: #624 Bloodnok

Good morning.

640 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:40:11am

re: #632 mamacares

It's very interesting to watch as it unfolds.

641 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:40:19am

The dollar weakens a bit:
Dollar loses ground to euro


The U.S. dollar lost ground to the European single currency Friday, feeling modest pressure as rising global equity markets pointed to a rise in risk appetite.

The euro traded at $1.3919, up from $1.3889 in late North American trading Thursday, but remained in a tight trading range.

The euro has tended to gain ground when equities rise, while the dollar and the Japanese yen have tended to lose ground as investors shift away from perceived safe-haven assets.


Look for oil to rise as the dollar drops.

642 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:40:57am

'Morning, y'all.

I've a question for 3wood and some of the more historically and financially savvy folks out there.

You know that the Great Depression sat on America longer than the rest of the world. I believe that is because we implemented social and fiscal programs that naturally stifled economic growth.

Given that we are now attempting to duplicate the FDR programs, except turbocharged, do you think that we'll need another world war to get our economy going again?

The difference between then and now, of course, is that then we actually had a strong industrial base on which to build, and that then we were not so inclined to have our national finger stuck into every pie worldwide.

643 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:42:08am

re #632 rightside
Very. Can hope .

644 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:42:53am

re: #641 3 wood

The dollar weakens a bit:
Dollar loses ground to euro


Look for oil to rise as the dollar drops.


You're just full of good news today.

645 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:44:10am

re: #644 soxfan4life

You're just full of good news today.

He must have gotten his unicorn :P

646 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:44:46am

For those of us who are just rubbing the sleep from our eyes:

I just posted a spinoff link under "Breaking" to Winston06's running commentary on Khamenei's sermons.

---
It's not about Moussavi any more.
The big question is, what's Rafsanjani up to and can he make it work?

647 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:45:00am

re: #645 Mithrax

He must have gotten his unicorn :P

The ones in my neighborhood better watch out, I'm hungry.

648 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:45:14am

unitedagainstnucleariran.com

649 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:46:03am

re: #647 soxfan4life

The ones in my neighborhood better watch out, I'm hungry.

Remember to eat the head last, that way you can pick your teeth with the horn!

650 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:47:06am

On the local Fox affiliate this AM John and Kate are getting divorced. Good luck to the 8 kids in this mess.

651 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:47:34am

re: #648 MandyManners

unitedagainstnucleariran.com

Leadership.

652 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:48:04am

re: #649 Mithrax

Remember to eat the head last, that way you can pick your teeth with the horn!


MMM! head cheese.

653 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:48:33am

By the way, Michigan's unemployment rate is up to 14.1% in May


Nice to see all those billions of our money that Obama has spent has worked out so well.

654 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:48:34am

Good morning again. I think most of the LNDT lizards will be gone now, so that's why I say again. :)

655 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:49:43am

re: #654 BlueCanuck

Good morning.

656 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:50:02am

re: #650 soxfan4life

On the local Fox affiliate this AM John and Kate are getting divorced. Good luck to the 8 kids in this mess.

Not having TV, I am blissfully ignorant of these people until about a week ago.

What's the deal? They had octopulets and now they're splitting? Or they just have 8 kids? Who are they and why do we care?

657 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:50:21am

NEA blowing smoke again...750k vouchers they need to kill in DC

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

658 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:51:06am

re: #653 3 wood

By the way, Michigan's unemployment rate is up to 14.1% in May


Nice to see all those billions of our money that Obama has spent has worked out so well.


It's not so much the money didn't work, you must understand the situation he inherited was so much worse than he thought.///*spit*
How much longer will 0 get a free pass on his unbridled spending and ruination of the dollar.

659 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:51:36am

re: #656 iceweasel

Not having TV, I am blissfully ignorant of these people until about a week ago.

What's the deal? They had octopulets and now they're splitting? Or they just have 8 kids? Who are they and why do we care?

They had a reality show apparently, and he got caught having a fling.

The general concensus that I hear is that she's, in short, a bitch. I've not watched the show, hell or any TV so I cannot personally verify that statement.

660 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:52:45am

re: #642 razorbacker

Given that we are now attempting to duplicate the FDR programs, except turbocharged, do you think that we'll need another world war to get our economy going again?

The difference between then and now, of course, is that then we actually had a strong industrial base on which to build, and that then we were not so inclined to have our national finger stuck into every pie worldwide.

We don't have to have a world war, but I would not be surprised of Obama gets us into one.

To grow the economy we need to cut tax rates (especially capital gains taxes), allow profits to be made and kept, and stop punishing success. We have to have a stable dollar and price level, and a quiet regulation environment.

661 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:54:18am

re: #658 soxfan4life

How much longer will 0 get a free pass on his unbridled spending and ruination of the dollar.

The free pass from the MSM will endure forever. He is their god.

The pass from the market is over, the market wants to see some actual positive results from all this.

662 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:54:45am

re: #656 iceweasel

Not having TV, I am blissfully ignorant of these people until about a week ago.

What's the deal? They had octopulets and now they're splitting? Or they just have 8 kids? Who are they and why do we care?

Here's a link to their show.

[Link: tlc.discovery.com...]

They had twins and then sextuplets. Such a shame that those kids have grown up on television, and now will have to go through the divorce process on camera as well. The state of PA is investigating the show for violations of child labor laws and hopefully they find enough to shut it down.

663 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:55:26am

re: #658 soxfan4life

Yes, because W forced granholm to overspend in her own state. She's probably still whining about it, and blaming him.

664 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:55:57am

re: #660 3 wood


To grow the economy we need to cut tax rates (especially capital gains taxes), allow profits to be made and kept, and stop punishing success. We have to have a stable dollar and price level, and a quiet regulation environment.

So, urm, basically there is no hope, huh?

665 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:56:07am

re: #661 3 wood

The free pass from the MSM will endure forever. He is their god.

The pass from the market is over, the market wants to see some actual positive results from all this.

As long as the MSM gives him a free pass what effect will the market have on the 2012 election?

666 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:56:27am

Now FCBBHO is pushing longer days or terms for students. That's right: let's give the NEA more time to indoctrinate our kids!

667 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:57:19am

re: #664 razorbacker

So, urm, basically there is no hope, huh?


Welcome to change 0bama style.

668 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:58:05am

re: #659 Mithrax

They had a reality show apparently, and he got caught having a fling.

The general concensus that I hear is that she's, in short, a bitch. I've not watched the show, hell or any TV so I cannot personally verify that statement.

Wow, I had no clue.

Isn't it interesting, though?-- I don't have TV yet somehow I have heard that this Kate person is supposed to be a mega bitch. I didn't know about the affair.

I had no idea they existed or had a TV show until about 2 weeks ago, i think. Isn't it strange how pop culture kind of sneaks into us without us even knowing?

669 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:58:09am

It's been unclear who the Iranian protesters have been referring to when they chant "Death to the Dictator".

Khamenei's sermon will prove to be a ... (*cough*) ... clarifying moment.

670 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:58:48am

re: #666 MandyManners

Now FCBBHO is pushing longer days or terms for students. That's right: let's give the NEA more time to indoctrinate our kids!


Who's going to be in charge of this, his education czar? How much more circumvention of the Constitution can this guy gwet away with?

671 jim in virginia  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:59:05am

re: #565 wahabicorridor

Exactly.

This is a contest between theocratic tyranny and a relative secular tyranny.

There is no good outcome to this in terms of human freedom and dignity.


Based on past actions, Moussavi is no democrat but he and the anti regime demonstrators offer the possibility of change. OTOH once revolutions start they tend to consume their own.
Khameini /Ahmadinejad are the status quo which leads directly to a nuclear incident of some sort.
It's hard to see a peaceful outcome to this.

672 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:59:17am

re: #669 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We will definitely see soon. Depends on how hard his Basij crack down on the green protestors.

/only time I have been rooting for "green" protestors. :)

673 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:00:17am

re: #662 soxfan4life

Here's a link to their show.

[Link: tlc.discovery.com...]

They had twins and then sextuplets. Such a shame that those kids have grown up on television, and now will have to go through the divorce process on camera as well. The state of PA is investigating the show for violations of child labor laws and hopefully they find enough to shut it down.

That can't be normal; did she have fertility treatments or something?

Twins are pretty rare and I know if you have them you do have an increased probability of multiple births-- (and usually a history of twins in the family)--, but wow.

674 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:01:34am

re: #659 Mithrax

They had a reality show apparently, and he got caught having a fling.

The general concensus that I hear is that she's, in short, a bitch. I've not watched the show, hell or any TV so I cannot personally verify that statement.

I watch it at times. Kate's not really a bitch, she's just very assertive and extremely organized which I think are traits a parent of twins and sextuplets must have.

But, she could be the biggest bitch on wheels and Jon still wouldn't have an excuse to stick his wahoo where it does not belong.

675 Bloodnok  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:02:38am

re: #639 Sharmuta

Good morning.

:D

Hi!

{Sharm}

676 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:03:05am

re: #672 BlueCanuck

We will definitely see soon. Depends on how hard his Basij crack down on the green protestors.

/only time I have been rooting for "green" protestors. :)

Yes. Very soon.

/would it be graveyard humor to think of Kermit's famous "It's Not Easy Being Green" song? ... :D

677 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:03:16am

re: #673 iceweasel

That can't be normal; did she have fertility treatments or something?

Twins are pretty rare and I know if you have them you do have an increased probability of multiple births-- (and usually a history of twins in the family)--, but wow.


From what I've heard she was taking fertility drugs, but the popularity of the show is what was a driving force in the octomom story and now she will have her own show. Makes you wonder if we will see an increase in multiples now as young families might be tempted to try for their own shot at reality TV riches.

678 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:04:14am

re#640 rightside
I am a little short of analysis because I am having sadness in my life .Tears much of time. Takes a lot out of one.

679 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:04:17am

re: #666 MandyManners

Now FCBBHO is pushing longer days or terms for students. That's right: let's give the NEA more time to indoctrinate our kids!

I haven't been following this issue right now-- but isn't it true that the US has way shorter school days, and also school terms, than (for example) Japan, and also a lot of western europe?

I think our education system is flawed and I don't think the answer is 'let's just do more of the same for longer!" -- but i think it might be a good idea to have longer terms.

680 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:05:53am

re: #674 MandyManners


But, she could be the biggest bitch on wheels and Jon still wouldn't have an excuse to stick his wahoo where it does not belong.

Preach it!

681 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:06:13am

To you non-tv watching "TVists"...

neener!

682 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:06:45am

re: #670 soxfan4life

Who's going to be in charge of this, his education czar? How much more circumvention of the Constitution can this guy gwet away with?

As much as the MFM let him get away with.

683 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:07:14am

re: #679 iceweasel

I haven't been following this issue right now-- but isn't it true that the US has way shorter school days, and also school terms, than (for example) Japan, and also a lot of western europe?

I think our education system is flawed and I don't think the answer is 'let's just do more of the same for longer!" -- but i think it might be a good idea to have longer terms.


Teachers unions will be very reluctant to go with longer terms. Longer terms won't amount to squat if there is no standardized testing and results based promotions for students. Public education is rapidly becoming nationalized day care.

684 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:07:33am

re: #677 soxfan4life

That is super messed up in ways I cannot begin to articulate.

685 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:07:38am

re: #681 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To you non-tv watching "TVists"...

neener!

*ahem* I am a non-tv watching elitist. So you can take your neener and...

/;)

686 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:08:34am

re: #678 mamacares


Sorry for your sadness, hang in there better days are ahead.

687 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:08:42am

re: #677 soxfan4life

From what I've heard she was taking fertility drugs, but the popularity of the show is what was a driving force in the octomom story and now she will have her own show. Makes you wonder if we will see an increase in multiples now as young families might be tempted to try for their own shot at reality TV riches.

Suleman is getting a show? Link?

688 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:08:44am

re: #674 MandyManners

I watch it at times. Kate's not really a bitch, she's just very assertive and extremely organized which I think are traits a parent of twins and sextuplets must have.

But, she could be the biggest bitch on wheels and Jon still wouldn't have an excuse to stick his wahoo where it does not belong.

It's Hard to Kiss the Lips at Night

689 Bloodnok  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:09:32am

re: #681 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To you non-tv watching "TVists"...

neener!

Heh.

690 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:09:45am

re: #679 iceweasel

I haven't been following this issue right now-- but isn't it true that the US has way shorter school days, and also school terms, than (for example) Japan, and also a lot of western europe?

I think our education system is flawed and I don't think the answer is 'let's just do more of the same for longer!" -- but i think it might be a good idea to have longer terms.

The state of public education and the role of the NEA in them is why The Kid is in a private, Christian academy.

691 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:10:04am

re: #678 mamacares

We're sorry to hear about that. Would you like to be added to our prayer list?

692 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:10:23am

re: #680 iceweasel

Preach it!

Amen!

693 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:10:24am

re: #687 MandyManners

Suleman is getting a show? Link?

[Link: www.nbclosangeles.com...]

694 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:10:45am

We used to celebrate quintuplets. They went on TV as babies, as toddlers, school kids, teens and college grads, always dressed the same and with big smiles. People sent them gifts. They got free food, free houses and free cars. Now look at what we've become.

695 Fierce Guppy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:12:18am

Transcript of Ayatollah Khamenei's Friday Speech.

It's all anti-Western/anti-zionist conpiratorial swill cloaked in religious mysticism. He's also lumped all of the Iranian protestors as Iran's enemies. See line 92. I think the shit is really going to hit the fan on Saturday.

Going to bed.

Tony.

696 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:12:24am

Obama's public statement re the Iranian election was verrry moderate -- calling upon the regime to respect the rights of the people, etc, etc.

Khamenei's sermon is a direct and absolutely unmistakeably clear reply -- drawing a line in the dirt with his sword.

The ball has been slammed back into Obama's side of the court.
A prompt response is all but demanded.
We shall see what Obama is made of.

697 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:12:29am

re: #683 soxfan4life

Teachers unions will be very reluctant to go with longer terms. Longer terms won't amount to squat if there is no standardized testing and results based promotions for students. Public education is rapidly becoming nationalized day care.

Right, I am aware of that.

I'd correct you on only one thing: in many places, especially impoverished (and sometimes urban) areas, public education is already nothing more than day care. Has been for years. Decades, even.

Standardised testing isn't a complete solution; in the worst schools the teachers simply 'teach the test'. Learning how to pass a test is not learning.

The teachers unions will be fine with longer terms if the teachers are paid. Right now far too many of them NEED the long break because they're making a substantial part of their income from their 'summer' job.

698 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:12:34am

re: #688 razorbacker

It's Hard to Kiss the Lips at Night

While I can be a world-class messy person at times, I have little tolerance for slobs.

That said, there is no excuse to stick your dick where it does not belong.

699 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:12:49am

re #686
Thank you. I hope so.

700 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:13:07am

re: #678 mamacares

(((mamacares)))

701 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:13:20am

re: #690 MandyManners

The state of public education and the role of the NEA in them is why The Kid is in a private, Christian academy.

Good for you; I think that's great.

702 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:14:11am

re#691 rightside
Would appreciate it very much.

703 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:14:54am

re: #693 soxfan4life

[Link: www.nbclosangeles.com...]

Well, at least it's not a flat-out reality show.

Is the state still investigating this nut?

704 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:15:11am

re: #696 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We shall see what Obama is made of.

"Snips and snails and puppy-dog's tails"?

705 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:16:10am

re: #681 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To you non-tv watching "TVists"...

neener!

:(

I love some TV; what i really love is DVDs of good TV shows without commercials.

Also, I love not having the goddamn TV on at every moment of every day.

706 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:17:19am

re: #698 MandyManners

While I can be a world-class messy person at times, I have little tolerance for slobs.

That said, there is no excuse to stick your dick where it does not belong.

My wife reads all the gossip rags and from what I can see both of them will never be in the running for a good citizenship award. Hopefully they can work together as seperated parents for the benefit of those 8 kids. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to happen much though.

707 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:17:36am

re: #698 MandyManners

While I can be a world-class messy person at times, I have little tolerance for slobs.

That said, there is no excuse to stick your dick where it does not belong.

I'm all for it. Just so long as the people sticking it elsewhere understand that one day they may never get it back.

708 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:18:30am

re: #701 iceweasel

Before I submitted our application, I made sure that his school taught evolution in science class and religion during chapel, and this was before the current brouhaha.

709 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:19:02am

re: #704 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Snips and snails and puppy-dog's tails"?

Is WAB made of sugar and spice and everything nice?

710 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:19:06am

re: #702 mamacares

re#691 rightside
Would appreciate it very much.

Got you covered from out here. Best remedy I know of is find something to do with people. Best outside and active. Yes, it does get better.

711 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:20:12am

re: #703 MandyManners

Well, at least it's not a flat-out reality show.

Is the state still investigating this nut?


Being that they are footing the bill for her they should be investigating her. I wish some judge would rule that children under a certain age should be off limits to television. It's obvious that the industry or cetain parents don't have any concern for young kids.

712 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:20:32am

re: #709 MandyManners

Those old poems, Mother Goose, etc...seem to have gone the way of the dodo bird. Sad, I think.

713 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:21:18am

re: #698 MandyManners

While I can be a world-class messy person at times, I have little tolerance for slobs.

That said, there is no excuse to stick your dick where it does not belong.

And, just for the sake of consistency, no matter how big a bastard he may be, short of physical violence there is no reason to seek solace in the arms of another?

I'm not arguing the point. Sometimes you just have to cut your loses.

714 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:22:27am

re: #706 soxfan4life

My wife reads all the gossip rags and from what I can see both of them will never be in the running for a good citizenship award. Hopefully they can work together as seperated parents for the benefit of those 8 kids. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to happen much though.

I would hope that they could get into marital therapy and work it out. However, I wouldn't blame Kate if she couldn't do that because adultery is horrific.

As for working together if they wind up divorced, I'd reckon they'd have to under the watchful eye of the camera.

Now, how will they handle custody? Child support? Parenting time? If it's split 50/50, that's gonna' be nuts and extremely expensive to have two households equipped to deal with eight kids.

715 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:22:29am

re: #702 mamacares

realwest is our resident prayer list keeper. I will inform him to add you to it and update it.

Generally, we like to add a blurb after your name to let our fellow lizards know what to pray for. I'd be happy to add that to it, unless you prefer not to share. Nothing in detail, just a few words, like brother is ill, etc.

716 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:22:34am

re: #708 MandyManners

Before I submitted our application, I made sure that his school taught evolution in science class and religion during chapel, and this was before the current brouhaha.

Good for you; that's awesome! Most people probably wouldn't bother checking, sadly.

717 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:23:36am

re: #707 iceweasel

I'm all for it. Just so long as the people sticking it elsewhere understand that one day they may never get it back.

I'm not. To me, adultery is right up there with addiction and abuse as deal breakers.

718 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:24:27am

From Tehran Bureau late yesterday afternoon ("tomorrow" means Friday, today). I have edited the text a little, for what I believe is clarity.:

From source: “I have now received e-mails from totally trustworthy sources within Iran that many Sepaah commanders [Sepaph is IRGC] have been arrested, because they are opposed to what is going on and in particular to the plan for tomorrow. This had been talked about for the past few days, but my source confirmed it.”

Clarification for plans for tomorrow: “Apparently, the plan is to create chaos and bloody confrontation between Basij and Karroubi and Mousavi demonstrators, in order to justify hard crack down and have Khamenei announce the end of “soft” confrontation in the Friday prayers.”

If we now see bloody confrontation, initiated by the Basij, then it becomes reasonable to assume that elements within the IRGC did (still do?) indeed oppose "the plans". This in itself is heartening.

/Thin, but heartening.

719 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:25:02am

re: #717 MandyManners

I'm not. To me, adultery is right up there with addiction and abuse as deal breakers.


I don't think you could ever regain the trust broken by that behavior.

720 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:25:05am

re: #707 iceweasel

Dr. says to patient, "I have bad news and good news."
Patient, "What's the bad news."
Dr., "You have HAGS."
Patient, "What's HAGS?"
Dr., "Herpes, Aids, Gonorhea, and Syphilis"
Patient, "OH MY GOSH! What's the good news?"
Dr., "You get to eat all of the pizza and pancakes you can eat for the rest of your life."
Patient, "Why pizza and pancakes?"
Dr., "That is all that will slide under your door."

721 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:25:16am

re: #711 soxfan4life

Being that they are footing the bill for her they should be investigating her. I wish some judge would rule that children under a certain age should be off limits to television. It's obvious that the industry or cetain parents don't have any concern for young kids.

Oh, no. Just because the state helps support those kids does not give it more power to investigate them than those whose parents do not require tax money.

722 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:25:40am

re: #712 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Those old poems, Mother Goose, etc...seem to have gone the way of the dodo bird. Sad, I think.

Not PC.

723 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:26:12am

Saw my mother yesterday. Bald as a bowling ball, and cute as a button.

724 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:26:38am

re: #713 razorbacker

And, just for the sake of consistency, no matter how big a bastard he may be, short of physical violence there is no reason to seek solace in the arms of another?

I'm not arguing the point. Sometimes you just have to cut your loses.

Bingo. Also, even if he IS abusive, there is no excuse to commit adultery. Get the hell out.

725 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:26:56am

Good morning lizards! It's my daughter's 19th birthday today and I am on vacation. I also have a house full of sleeping teenagers who were up late and will surely stick around for dinner and cake. Should be a busy day. How is everyone else?

726 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:27:10am

re: #716 iceweasel

Good for you; that's awesome! Most people probably wouldn't bother checking, sadly.

I just cannot imagine that kind of parent.

727 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:27:56am

re: #719 soxfan4life

I don't think you could ever regain the trust broken by that behavior.

Maybe some could get over it but, I couldn't.

728 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:27:59am

Post Khameni speech fallout. :)

729 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:29:20am

re: #728 BlueCanuck

Post Khameni speech fallout. :)

He didn't think to hire a "Tehran Bob"?

730 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:29:21am

re: #725 VioletTiger

Good morning lizards! It's my daughter's 19th birthday today and I am on vacation. I also have a house full of sleeping teenagers who were up late and will surely stick around for dinner and cake. Should be a busy day. How is everyone else?

Sounds like fun!

731 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:29:28am

re: #726 MandyManners

I just cannot imagine that kind of parent.


Sadly that is the majority these days. Every time I hear a parent say "My child wouldn't do that" I just want to ask how out of touch are you. Here in MA they threaten the school with a lawsuit if their little pride and joy gets a grade lower than a C

732 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:29:36am

re: #723 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw my mother yesterday. Bald as a bowling ball, and cute as a button.


How is she doing FBV?

733 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:30:15am

re: #727 MandyManners

Maybe some could get over it but, I couldn't.


Me either.

734 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:31:29am

re: #729 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He didn't think to hire a "Tehran Bob"?

I used to love the Iraqi Information Minister. He was a dedicated fool. Somebody had a website up back then. Wonder what happened to him.

735 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:31:53am

re: #704 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Snips and snails and puppy-dog's tails"?

I'm almost willing to bet the rent payment that (at an emotional level) he wishes t' hell this wasn't happening.

Unless he's much more of an idiot than evidence indicates, he has to now know that a Khamenei/Ahmadinejad victory dashes all hopes of ("Legacy-making") dialogue.

736 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:31:59am

re: #728 BlueCanuck

Post Khameni speech fallout. :)

Mentioning Iranian leadership and fall-out in one sentence sends shivers down my spine.

Youtube Video
737 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:33:00am

re: #732 VioletTiger

Today's second chemo. She's tired, but had the energy yesterday to fuss at me about...
the way I dress
why don't you eat meat
what was that girl thinking when she cut your hair
you need to eat slower
gosh that was a big bite
you should save more money
your father is an idiot...

I think y'all get the point.

She's doing great!

{Mommy!}

738 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:33:01am

re: #736 MandyManners

Hmmm, hadn't thought about that. But yes it does have an ominous sound doesn't it?

739 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:33:29am

re: #737 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Other wise she was being a mother. Sounds good.

740 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:33:52am

re: #731 soxfan4life

Sadly that is the majority these days. Every time I hear a parent say "My child wouldn't do that" I just want to ask how out of touch are you. Here in MA they threaten the school with a lawsuit if their little pride and joy gets a grade lower than a C

My first thought when I'd get a note or e-mail from The Kid's teacher last year was just how much shit he threw her way before she took "official" notice of his shenanigans.

741 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:34:42am

re: #733 soxfan4life

Me either.

That's time to put his shit at the curb.

742 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:35:10am

re: #728 BlueCanuck

Post Khameni speech fallout. :)

Did you notice the AFP photo, top left?

heh

743 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:36:19am

re: #738 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, hadn't thought about that. But yes it does have an ominous sound doesn't it?

I like playing that song, too.

744 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:36:38am

re: #740 MandyManners

My first thought when I'd get a note or e-mail from The Kid's teacher last year was just how much shit he threw her way before she took "official" notice of his shenanigans.


When my boy would get in trouble at school I could never get the right story from him, so I would call the school. After talking to his principal the man said to me it is unusual to talk to a parent who listens to our side of the story and doesn't just come in guns blazing.

745 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:36:39am

Oh bloody hell. City waste union is talking about strike. Of course the greenies are up in arms about their own little pet projects. "In Case of Strike, use composter."

Personally I think the city employees are paid way too much in all sorts of areas.

746 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:37:04am

re: #737 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Give her a hug for us and get her well quick!

747 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:37:25am

re: #737 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Today's second chemo. She's tired, but had the energy yesterday to fuss at me about...
the way I dress
why don't you eat meat
what was that girl thinking when she cut your hair
you need to eat slower
gosh that was a big bite
you should save more money
your father is an idiot...

I think y'all get the point.

She's doing great!

{Mommy!}

Sounds strange but, I'm glad she has the energy to bitch. That's how we know when my mom is feeling better.

748 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:39:05am

re: #744 soxfan4life

When my boy would get in trouble at school I could never get the right story from him, so I would call the school. After talking to his principal the man said to me it is unusual to talk to a parent who listens to our side of the story and doesn't just come in guns blazing.

I found out this year that several notes somehow didn't make their way home. Yep. They sprouted wings and flew away.

749 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:39:27am

re: #707 iceweasel

I'm all for it. Just so long as the people sticking it elsewhere understand that one day they may never get it back.

re: #717 MandyManners

I'm not. To me, adultery is right up there with addiction and abuse as deal breakers.

Oh gosh. I thought it was obvious from what I said that I was being flippant.

Adultery, Abuse, Addiction and Abandonment are like the quadruptle A for divorce. AAA of dealbreakers. By abandonment I mean walking out the door for milk and never coming back.

750 J.D.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:40:00am

Better get sick now, not later
Line up for that surgery before Obamacare becomes law

If you have any sense that you may be getting sick in the years ahead, I suggest you get sick immediately. If you will need of surgery or any medical procedure, do it now! If not immediately, be certain that you hand yourself over to the health care professionals before Oct. 15. That is the date on which President Obama hopes to sign his health care bill once it has gone through the congressional baloney grinder.

At the heart of Mr. Obama's plan is his stated goal to cut medical costs. That might sound good to you, but it means cutting services, nurses, technicians, medical tests and, most prominently, the use of expensive technology. The president's top medical advisers are quite frank about this.

Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel, brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and a health-policy adviser in the Office of Management and Budget, has chided Americans for the expense of their "being enamored with technology." Dr. David Blumenthal, another key Obama adviser, charges medical innovations as being responsible for fully two-thirds of the annual increase in health care spending. Their solution is to limit expensive innovations. A 2008 Congressional Budget Office report agrees with their cost analysis but concludes happily that such innovations "permit the treatment of previously untreatable conditions." As I shall show, there are more humane ways to cut health care costs.

Also at the heart of Mr. Obama's plan is the restriction of services for older people, people 65 and older who, by virtue of modern medicine, may actually be 10 and 15 years younger in terms of good health than they would have been a generation ago. Alas, they still have higher health risks and costs than younger people. Thus, they are going to bear the brunt of the Obama administration's cost cuts, for 27 percent to 30 percent of Medicaid spending is spent for caring for people at the end of their lives.

With the government taking over more of the nation's health care costs under the Obama regime, it has already been decided that government monies are more economically spent on younger people than on older people. If a 65-year-old needs a hip replacement, the government will better spend that money on a younger person whose hip will last longer. Or perhaps the government will decide the money is better spent on preventive medicine for younger people.

In the federal stimulus legislation that the president signed Feb. 17, we find funding for a Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. "Comparative effectiveness research" is a term used by economists in health care for making health comparisons based often on age and for limiting care based on a patient's age. In Great Britain, comparative-effectiveness research is actually used to deny patients treatment for age-related diseases such as heart disease and macular degeneration. ...


Anyone have an idea what AARP's take is on all this?

751 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:40:35am

re: #748 MandyManners

I found out this year that several notes somehow didn't make their way home. Yep. They sprouted wings and flew away.


That's why I had all of his teachers email me.

752 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:42:09am

re: #743 MandyManners

Ummm, what was the song? I don't get youtube here at work. Or any music sites.

753 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:42:40am

re: #745 BlueCanuck

Oh bloody hell. City waste union is talking about strike. Of course the greenies are up in arms about their own little pet projects. "In Case of Strike, use composter."

Personally I think the city employees are paid way too much in all sorts of areas.

People are being requested to store their garbage for the first week of a strike. Garbage can be dropped off at any of the city's seven waste transfer stations, and after five days additional drop off locations will be announced.

Ummm...where will people who live in apartments store it? And, how will people who don't have vechicles drop it off?

754 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:42:58am

COOKBOOK UPDATE!
Click my nic.
Short & sweet, you can read it in less than a minute!
Do it now, or Sharmuta will yell at you.

755 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:43:00am

re#710 UncleRancher

Thank you, thank you. As for getting out, it is the goal but I am still quite teary at unexpected times. Thank you for understanding.

756 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:43:05am

re: #664 razorbacker

So, urm, basically there is no hope, huh?

Well take a look around the world and look at other socialist countries and look t their economic stagnation.

With Obama in the White House I don't see much hope.

The pathway for economic growth is that enough of the public gets fed up, shows up to the next election and puts an end to this nonsense.

757 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:43:42am

re: #749 iceweasel

re: #707 iceweasel

I'm all for it. Just so long as the people sticking it elsewhere understand that one day they may never get it back.


Oh gosh. I thought it was obvious from what I said that I was being flippant.

Adultery, Abuse, Addiction and Abandonment are like the quadruptle A for divorce. AAA of dealbreakers. By abandonment I mean walking out the door for milk and never coming back.

Agreed.

758 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:44:01am

re: #748 MandyManners

I found out this year that several notes somehow didn't make their way home. Yep. They sprouted wings and flew away.

Even really good kids do that sometimes when they hit a certain age. Usually boys hitting puberty, and they're usually the ones that are so smart they get bored too easily and stop paying attention or behaving. So their grades and behaviour go dooown.

Girls do it too, but the girls are usually smart enough to forge your signature on the note and return it, so you never know what they've done.

In my experience, anyway.

759 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:44:07am

re: #750 J.D.

Better get sick now, not later
Line up for that surgery before Obamacare becomes law

Anyone have an idea what AARP's take is on all this?

Y'know, reading that brings back to mind some of the Bolshevik-mindset dialogue in Dr. Zhivago.

*shiver*

760 J.D.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:44:40am

Obama Clueless on Iran
By Charles Krauthammer

...where is our president? Afraid of "meddling." Afraid to take sides between the head-breaking, women-shackling exporters of terror -- and the people in the street yearning to breathe free. This from a president who fancies himself the restorer of America's moral standing in the world.
761 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:44:41am

re: #750 J.D.

Better get sick now, not later
Line up for that surgery before Obamacare becomes law


Anyone have an idea what AARP's take is on all this?


They supported him so they reap what they sow. Had they researched any of his positions and not just bought into the John MCCain wants to take away your Social Security benefits lie they would have found this out real quick.


[Link: www.aarp.org...]

762 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:45:02am

re: #751 soxfan4life

That's why I had all of his teachers email me.

E-mail notification was the first level. Notes that I had to sign are the next level. The first level was bypassed if more bad behavior happened right after the one that would've lead to it.

763 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:45:06am

re: #753 MandyManners

It's the city who thinks up this stuff. I remember the last strike almost 9 years ago. Talk about a stench. To top it off I was working in a restaraunt. As well it happened about the middle of summer. Not looking forward to what they are going to settle for. The Mayor is a big advocate of union labour. He is bosom buddies with "Taliban" Jack Layton.

764 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:45:12am

re: #751 soxfan4life

That's why I had all of his teachers email me.

Smart.

765 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:45:21am

re: #665 soxfan4life

As long as the MSM gives him a free pass what effect will the market have on the 2012 election?

Well, I compare it to the Carter years. The MSM loved him too.

But enough people got tired of the economic morass that we were in that they supported someone with a clear workable way out named Ronald Reagan 4 years later in overwhelming numbers.

766 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:45:35am

re: #752 BlueCanuck

Ummm, what was the song? I don't get youtube here at work. Or any music sites.

Push Da Button.

767 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:45:50am

15:42 Report: Health of North Korea ruler Kim Jong Il isndeteriorating (DPA)

Crying shame?

768 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:45:59am

re: #720 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A guy had felt unwell for months, so he decided to see his doctor. The doctor examined him and referred him to the hospital to see various specialists. After a couple of weeks, all the test results came through, so my friend returned to see his doctor.

"I'm very sorry", said the doctor. "I'm afraid I have bad news and worse news."

"Tell me the worst."

"I'll be honest, you have cancer, you'll be dead in three months."

"Shit! " said my friend. "What on earth is the bad news?"

"You also have Alzheimer's Disease."

"Alzheimer's? Oh well, at least I don't have cancer."

769 jacksontn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:46:20am

re: #759 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Y'know, reading that brings back to mind some of the Bolshevik-mindset dialogue in Dr. Zhivago.

*shiver*

PMMB ... Good Morning ... I have heard that congress and federal employees are exempt ... do you know if this is true ... and if so, what about the crap from Obama about you should get the same insurance plan as congress ... btw ... Dr. Zhivago is my favorite movie ...

770 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:46:51am

re: #666 MandyManners

Now FCBBHO is pushing longer days or terms for students. That's right: let's give the NEA more time to indoctrinate our kids!

It would probably also translate into more pay for teachers, more money going into the union, therefore more money into Democratic coffers, all at our expense.

771 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:47:09am

re: #758 iceweasel

Even really good kids do that sometimes when they hit a certain age. Usually boys hitting puberty, and they're usually the ones that are so smart they get bored too easily and stop paying attention or behaving. So their grades and behaviour go dooown.

Girls do it too, but the girls are usually smart enough to forge your signature on the note and return it, so you never know what they've done.

In my experience, anyway.

The Kid's problem was off-the-chart ADHD. He scored fives on just about every behavior on the Conner's Scaled.

772 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:48:23am

re: #763 BlueCanuck

It's the city who thinks up this stuff. I remember the last strike almost 9 years ago. Talk about a stench. To top it off I was working in a restaraunt. As well it happened about the middle of summer. Not looking forward to what they are going to settle for. The Mayor is a big advocate of union labour. He is bosom buddies with "Taliban" Jack Layton.

That reminds me of a Monk episode.

773 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:48:27am

re: #670 soxfan4life

Who's going to be in charge of this, his education czar? How much more circumvention of the Constitution can this guy gwet away with?

Good question, comrade soxfan4lifeovitch.

774 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:48:52am

re: #666 MandyManners

Now FCBBHO is pushing longer days or terms for students. That's right: let's give the NEA more time to indoctrinate our kids!

Anywhere there's a "union" - you can pretty much expect destruction, bad ideas and continued deterioration of quality.

775 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:48:55am

re: #758 iceweasel

Even really good kids do that sometimes when they hit a certain age. Usually boys hitting puberty, and they're usually the ones that are so smart they get bored too easily and stop paying attention or behaving. So their grades and behaviour go dooown.

Girls do it too, but the girls are usually smart enough to forge your signature on the note and return it, so you never know what they've done.

In my experience, anyway.

I became a master at forging both my mom's and my dad's signature.
heh-heh.

776 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:49:08am

Well, pointers and setters, the sun is well and truly up so I'd best get busy before it gets too hot to work.

Depending on your inclination, either gorebull warmening is in full swing, or it is summertime in Arkansas, but it'll hit 90o F. today and I need to get some stuff done before then.

One last comment on adultery.

If you investigate DNA and genealogy you'll discover that since before recorded history folks have been doing the mattress tango with folks they weren't married to. It seems to be part of the human condition.

You don't have to excuse it or condone it to understand it. Of course, once a man hits a certain age he pretty much better be content with monogamy. I mean, unless you're married to her, who wants to bang a wrinkled old woman? And you have to admit that an old person knowing a young person in the biblical sense has that 'ewww' factor.

777 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:49:42am

Good morning all!

We had rain again last night. Where am I? Seattle? I love Seattle.

778 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:49:44am

re: #769 jacksontn

PMMB ... Good Morning ... I have heard that congress and federal employees are exempt ... do you know if this is true ... and if so, what about the crap from Obama about you should get the same insurance plan as congress ... btw ... Dr. Zhivago is my favorite movie ...

We'll get treated at Walter Reed?

779 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:50:21am

re: #770 3 wood

It would probably also translate into more pay for teachers, more money going into the union, therefore more money into Democratic coffers, all at our expense.

Gramscian whoredom marches onward.

780 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:50:43am

re: #778 MandyManners

We'll get treated at Walter Reed?

MM .. I don't know what the hell he meant by it but he said all the time ... just filler ...

781 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:51:02am

re: #753 MandyManners

People are being requested to store their garbage for the first week of a strike.

When was the Christmas-time NYC garbage collectors' strike -- 70's?
Network news had a story of a guy who commuted into the City.
Boxed his trash, wrapped it like presents.
Left the boxes in his unlocked car.
Came out at the end of the work day.
His garbage problem had been solved.

782 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:51:02am

re: #778 MandyManners

We'll get treated at Walter Reed?

Well Walter Reed will be closing, so ya'll have to shoot for Bethesda Naval Hospital.

783 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:51:10am

re: #774 FrogMarch

Anywhere there's a "union" - you can pretty much expect destruction, bad ideas and continued deterioration of quality.

Gramscian whores, one and all.

784 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:52:06am

re: #777 FrogMarch

Good morning all!

We had rain again last night. Where am I? Seattle? I love Seattle.

It rained all day and night here too. Seattle lizards, you can have your rain back now.

785 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:52:18am

re: #780 JacksonTn

MM .. I don't know what the hell he meant by it but he said all the time ... just filler ...

He must think we're stupid.

786 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:52:21am

re: #782 Nevergiveup

Well Walter Reed will be closing, so ya'll have to shoot for Bethesda Naval Hospital.


If I shoot for Tripler will they fly me to Hawaii for treatment?

787 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:52:53am

re: #781 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When was the Christmas-time NYC garbage collectors' strike -- 70's?
Network news had a story of a guy who commuted into the City.
Boxed his trash, wrapped it like presents.
Left the boxes in his unlocked car.
Came out at the end of the work day.
His garbage problem had been solved.

Monk mailed his.

788 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:53:22am

re: #782 Nevergiveup

Well Walter Reed will be closing, so ya'll have to shoot for Bethesda Naval Hospital.

Well, sign me up!

789 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:53:29am

re: #786 soxfan4life

If I shoot for Tripler will they fly me to Hawaii for treatment?

depends on your pay grade

790 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:53:30am

re: #785 MandyManners

He must think we're stupid.


What other reason could explain him winning in November?

791 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:53:44am

The creatures are stirring. Need to rustle up some grub.
BBL

792 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:54:03am

re: #787 MandyManners

Monk mailed his.

I love Monk.

TVists? NEENER!

793 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:55:09am

House Democrats eye new taxes.

Democrats live, eat, sh*t, breathe, and dream of new ways to tax and control us.
Funny quote:

Early work on the ambitious health care overhaul the Obama administration is seeking has exposed the kinds of in-house fights that typify just how hard it will be to get meaningful legislation this year. Case in point: A proposal to help bankroll universal health coverage with a dime-a-can increase in the price of soft drinks.

House Democrats have lots of potential targets for higher taxes as they aim to expand health care coverage to reach the roughly 50 million that experts say are uninsured.

Why not fix broken Medicare/Medicaid first?
What's the big hurry?

794 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:55:44am

re: #771 MandyManners

The Kid's problem was off-the-chart ADHD. He scored fives on just about every behavior on the Conner's Scaled.

Ugh, I'm so sorry. That must be so difficult for you!

Is there a medication that helps, like Ritalin? On the other hand, I do know other parents of kids with ADD or ADHD--less severe-- who don't like medication; some say it doesn't help at all.

I'm sorry. Your Kid is really lucky to have such an involved parent.

795 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:55:48am

re: #790 soxfan4life

What other reason could explain him winning in November?

The MFM were shills.

796 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:56:15am

Good morning.

I notice "Gymnast" got himself a downding from the man who allows all the shitbirds in here, among whom I must in all truthfulness include myself - at least under the criteria proposed by "NYC Redneck". Not that I'm all that new, nor do I think of myself as a troll, but I do feel quite at home here despite my notorious lack of conformity with the right-wing version of PC.

In any case I've posted a suggestion to "Gymnast" as to what he might want to do about the situation over at the end of the Bachmann thread.

797 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:56:22am

re: #792 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love Monk.

TVists? NEENER!

A pox on your cable box. A pox I say.

798 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:56:23am

re: #792 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love Monk.

TVists? NEENER!

NEENER batcha'.

799 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:57:41am

re: #793 FrogMarch


The big hurry is fear of losing their majority in 2010.Once people see what a crap sandwich the Dems are feeding us even the Dems know they are going to lose.

800 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:57:42am

re: #794 iceweasel

Ugh, I'm so sorry. That must be so difficult for you!

Is there a medication that helps, like Ritalin? On the other hand, I do know other parents of kids with ADD or ADHD--less severe-- who don't like medication; some say it doesn't help at all.

I'm sorry. Your Kid is really lucky to have such an involved parent.

He's on 10 mgs of Adderall. It doesn't turn him into a zombie.

801 dingleB  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:58:55am

re: #788 MandyManners

I'll take trip to Balboa please.

802 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:59:29am

re: #800 MandyManners

He's on 10 mgs of Adderall. It doesn't turn him into a zombie.

And he can still serve his country.

803 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:01:31am

FDA Takes Cheerios to Task for Boastful Labels
The Food and Drug Administration is going after the food industry, targeting America's most popular cereal with an enforcement action over its health claims that the government says "cause it to be a drug."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

These government types have way to much time on their hands

804 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:01:46am

Arrogance is automatically self-inflating.
No audience participation required.

805 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:02:10am

re: #793 FrogMarch

Why not fix broken Medicare/Medicaid first?
What's the big hurry?

Because as time goes by it becomes more and more obvious that all of Obamas economic moves are failures.

The want to force things through before the public wakes up and smeels the coffee.

Then at the next election they can demagogue the Republicans by saying if the Republicans get elected they will take away all these "freebies".

806 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:03:50am

re: #783 MandyManners

Gramscian whores, one and all.

whores, indeed.
That's why democrats are so threatened by choice and vouchers for lower income families. Those programs might work. We can't have that.
That's why Obama and the democrats canceled the popular DC school voucher program.

Reason.tv: Barack Obama & The DC School Voucher Program—The president says he wants to do "what's best for kids." So why won't he save a proven program that helps low-income students?

807 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:03:52am

re: #805 3 wood

Because as time goes by it becomes more and more obvious that all of Obamas economic moves are failures.

The want to force things through before the public wakes up and smeels the coffee.

Then at the next election they can demagogue the Republicans by saying if the Republicans get elected they will take away all these "freebies".


How are they going to sell those Republicans will take away all your worthless dollars?

808 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:04:10am

re: #805 3 wood

3W ... exactly ... how many times have they said they needed to quickly pass something since he has been in office? ... quick before people's head stop swirling ...

809 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:04:17am

Morning all. Looks like the US Open is underway again. The general consensus seems to be that today will be interrupted at some point, but they're going to try for 36 holes.

810 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:04:28am

Minnesota Woman Fined $1.92M in File-Sharing Retrial

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What farce all around. How a Judge can allow this to go to trial TWICE?

811 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:04:38am

Will the Iranians come out of the mosques after the Friday prayers pumped up?

812 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:05:28am

re: #806 FrogMarch

whores, indeed.
That's why democrats are so threatened by choice and vouchers for lower income families. Those programs might work. We can't have that.
That's why Obama and the democrats canceled the popular DC school voucher program.

Reason.tv: Barack Obama & The DC School Voucher Program—The president says he wants to do "what's best for kids." So why won't he save a proven program that helps low-income students?

He doesn't give a fuck about poor people.

813 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:06:24am

re: #811 MandyManners

Will the Iranians come out of the mosques after the Friday prayers pumped up?

I think they were kinda warned not to nicely. The next warning may not be so nice.

814 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:07:53am

re: #812 MandyManners

He doesn't give a fuck about poor people.

Not quite.
(As a community organizer) poor people are his rice bowl, a means to an end

815 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:08:25am

The U.S. Open is on again.

Graeme McDowell leads at 2 under after 13 holes. 5 players are at even par.

Woods is +1 after 12 holes.


And the immortal David Horsey is +11 after 14 holes, including not just 1 but 2 triple bogeys. See ya Dave.

816 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:09:41am

re: #813 Nevergiveup

I think they were kinda warned not to nicely. The next warning may not be so nice.

Fox just reported that they're going house to house to arrest protesters.

817 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:10:10am

re: #814 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not quite.
(As a community organizer) poor people are his rice bowl, a means to an end

That's exactly what I meant.

818 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:10:27am

re: #817 MandyManners

That's exactly what I meant.

Got it!

819 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:10:57am

re: #812 MandyManners

He doesn't give a fuck about poor people.

He, like every other democrat, cares about pay-to-play, political alliances and paybacks. The unions give big to democrats. The democrats do whatever is necessary for their masters. Screw the poor kids.
Pepper that with ideological stubbornness: i.e: the left hates the words "choice and vouchers" - "school choice and vouchers" are evil evil evil! Why? Because they say so. And the media helps with the vilification. The socialist democrats have taken control of the the language and distorted reality beyond recognition.

820 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:11:44am

After the bitch slap delivered with todays editorial I wonder how long it will take for the 0 to speak out against Charles Krauthammer with more force than he has against Khamanei. After he is out of office I can see 0 going on tour with Jimmy Carter.


[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

821 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:12:30am

Fox is now reporting that North Korea is planning to fire a missile toward Hawaii on or near 7/4 and that we're tracking one of its ships thought to have nuclear material on board.

822 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:12:30am

Good morning, lizards. Is Killgore awake yet? This one is just for him.
Suit accuses TSA of unreasonable airport detention

ST. LOUIS – A lawsuit filed Thursday against the Transportation Security Administration alleges a Ron Paul supporter was unreasonably detained at the St. Louis airport because he was carrying about $4,700 in cash.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed the lawsuit on behalf of Steven Bierfeldt, director of development for the Campaign for Liberty, an organization that grew out of Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign.

The organization had hosted an event in St. Louis that included the sale of tickets, T-shirts, stickers and other materials and Bierfeldt said he was carrying the cash proceeds in a metal box when he was detained at Lambert Airport for about 30 minutes on March 29.

823 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:13:08am

The Gramscian whores better not mess with my caffeinate!

/need coffee

824 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:14:15am

re: #810 Nevergiveup

Minnesota Woman Fined $1.92M in File-Sharing Retrial

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What farce all around. How a Judge can allow this to go to trial TWICE?

The stupid part is, she could have settled for about $3K before any of this happened. I think it was wrong for the record companies to go after individuals like this, but she was a fool for not settling.

825 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:14:27am

Gotta' get The Kid out of bed. He and my dad are going fishing today.

826 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:14:33am
Paging Senator Boxer

Calling Doctor Biden

WTF has this country come to?

827 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:15:29am

re: #821 MandyManners

Fox is now reporting that North Korea is planning to fire a missile toward Hawaii on or near 7/4 and that we're tracking one of its ships thought to have nuclear material on board.

I certainly hope we don't have an evil missile defense system. that would be evil! The democrats have said that missile defense is a waste of money. We need more social programs.

828 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:17:06am

re: #824 doppelganglander

The stupid part is, she could have settled for about $3K before any of this happened. I think it was wrong for the record companies to go after individuals like this, but she was a fool for not settling.


Copywright laws are a bitch. To think the musicians aren't entitled to royalties for their work is absurd.

829 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:17:30am

re: #805 3 wood

Because as time goes by it becomes more and more obvious that all of Obamas economic moves are failures.

The want to force things through before the public wakes up and smeels the coffee.

Then at the next election they can demagogue the Republicans by saying if the Republicans get elected they will take away all these "freebies".

ding!

830 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:17:46am

doesn't look good,from PersianKiwi:

The situation in Iran is now CRITICAL - the nation is heartbroken - suppression is iminent - #Iranelection
831 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:18:02am

re: #826 unreconstructed rebel

WTF has this country come to?

It has come to meet Hell.

Shortly it will be time to get some.

832 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:18:10am

re: #827 FrogMarch

I certainly hope we don't have an evil missile defense system. that would be evil! The democrats have said that missile defense is a waste of money. We need more social programs.


We don't need missile defense, we can just blame George Bush.///

833 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:19:10am

re: #832 soxfan4life

We don't need missile defense, we can just blame George Bush.///

I blame the Weimar Republic?

834 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:22:18am

re: #833 Nevergiveup

I blame the Weimar Republic?


As long as it falls back to dead white Europeans it's all good.///

835 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:22:30am

re: #830 reine.de.tout

doesn't look good,from PersianKiwi:

Sh*t city. Blood in the streets.

On the bright side, Khamenei has just signed what will ultimately prove to be the regime's death warrant. Persia's roots are stronger than either that selfish old man or all the guns of the IRGC.

836 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:24:08am

re: #820 soxfan4life

After the bitch slap delivered with todays editorial I wonder how long it will take for the 0 to speak out against Charles Krauthammer with more force than he has against Khamanei. After he is out of office I can see 0 going on tour with Jimmy Carter.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Krauthammer has already been served, as they say, all over the lefty-sphere in the last 24 hours.

Obama doesn't need to mention him; indeed, I think I would bet that Obama will never mention him.

837 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:24:54am

re: #832 soxfan4life

We don't need missile defense, we can just blame George Bush.///

Always. He's the left's eternal scapegoat.

838 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:24:59am

re: #800 MandyManners

He's on 10 mgs of Adderall. It doesn't turn him into a zombie.

Good!

839 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:26:25am

President Obama reminds me of the "Brave Little Tailor" from the Brothers Grimm:

[Link: www.pitt.edu...]

"He laid the bread aside and continued his sewing, happily making his stitches larger and larger. Meanwhile the smell of the sweet jam rose to the wall where a large number of flies were sitting. Attracted by the smell, a swarm of them settled onto the bread.

"Hey! Who invited you?" said the little tailor, driving away the unbidden guests. However, the flies, who did not understand German, would not be turned away, and they came back in ever-increasing numbers. Finally, losing his temper, he reached for a piece of cloth and shouted, "Wait, now I'm going to give it to you!" then hit at them without mercy. When he backed off and counted, there were no fewer than seven of them lying dead before him, with their legs stretched out.

"Aren't you someone?" he said to himself, surprised at his own bravery. The whole town shall hear about this." He hastily cut out a banner for himself, then embroidered on it with large letters, Seven with one blow. "The town?" he said further. "The whole world shall hear about this!" And his heart jumped for joy like a lamb's tail."

840 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:27:30am
"Eleven million votes difference? Sometimes there's a margin of 100,000, 200,000, or 1 million maximum. Then one can doubt maybe there has been some rigging or manipulation or irregularities," Khamenei said.
"But there's a difference of 11 million votes. How can vote rigging happen?" he asked.
-Ayatollah Khameini

He is correct to ask this question.
The answer, of course, is that only a massive program of wholesale voting fraud could account for such numbers - a gigantic, brazen fraud of which he was no doubt aware.
The lying, scum-sucking holy man.
*spit*

841 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:28:54am

re: #821 MandyManners

Fox is now reporting that North Korea is planning to fire a missile toward Hawaii on or near 7/4 and that we're tracking one of its ships thought to have nuclear material on board.

The Messiah will then apologize to North Korea for Hawaii getting in the way of their test shot.

842 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:28:55am

bbiab
/switching avatars

843 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:30:11am

re: #796 Cato the Elder

I see you've awoken with your usual irascibility and ability to turn a phrase. I hope it isn't a morning where you microwave the tea without water. I hate to think of an old roman in those conditions.

844 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:30:35am
845 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:31:15am

re: #841 3 wood

President Obama will station some anti-missile ships off Hawaii as a precaution. What he should do is destroy the missile on the launch pad, but he doesn't want to "provoke" the North Koreans.

846 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:31:54am

re: #844 buzzsawmonkey

The columnist you linked to has it exactly right; the big hurry is to get all this crap passed before the electorate sobers up.

Even drunk I can see what a load of malarkey they're trying to dump on us.

847 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:32:30am

re: #845 quickjustice

President Obama will station some anti-missile ships off Hawaii as a precaution. What he should do is destroy the missile on the launch pad, but he doesn't want to "provoke" the North Koreans.


Why take action when we can try dialougue instead? Damn it hurt just typing that.

848 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:32:32am
849 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:32:39am

#715 rightside
Interpersonal.
Unexpected, hurtful, sad.Will try to think of a good way to explain.

850 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:33:28am

re: #849 mamacares

No rush, if you don't feel comfy, then we will just leave it in general terms.

851 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:34:24am

re: #796 Cato the Elder

Cato: You're LGF's own, in-house curmudgeon. Congratulations!

852 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:34:36am

re: #848 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe you're just not drinking enough.

Well, I suppose that with the way they want to screw up health care, I shouldn't completely destroy my liver... but you're right. I'm probably not.

853 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:34:47am

I suspect someone has already posted this, or mentioned this, but just in case... it looks like Iran went ahead and clenched the other fist while they had the chance...

Iran's supreme leader defends election

Iran's supreme leader passionately defended last week's presidential election process today, praising President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election as a "definitive victory" and denying charges of vote-rigging. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said those who cause violence during protests would be held accountable.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

854 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:34:52am

re: #850 rightside

Thank you.

855 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:36:17am

re: #853 Walter L. Newton

I suspect someone has already posted this, or mentioned this, but just in case... it looks like Iran went ahead and clenched the other fist while they had the chance...

Iran's supreme leader defends election

Iran's supreme leader passionately defended last week's presidential election process today, praising President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election as a "definitive victory" and denying charges of vote-rigging. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said those who cause violence during protests would be held accountable.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Game Set Match

856 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:37:08am

re: #841 3 wood

The Messiah will then apologize to North Korea for Hawaii getting in the way of their test shot.

Doesn't some UN whatsis allow us to stop and inspect every ship going and from North Korea?

857 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:38:32am

re: #843 iceweasel

I see you've awoken with your usual irascibility and ability to turn a phrase. I hope it isn't a morning where you microwave the tea without water. I hate to think of an old roman in those conditions.

Cato is waiting, I think, for Haku (sp?) to deliver his coffee.

858 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:38:41am

Now he's bloviating live about prayer. It's at the National Hispanic Conference. The back drop has "Esperanza"* all over it.

*Hope in Spanish.

859 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:38:57am

re: #5 zombie

For your late-night amusement:

In Berkeley. . .even the private-school students are communists

Part of the new "In Berkeley..." series at zomblog.

As we all know - they are only communists because they have been taught to be communists. Palestinian children hate Jews because they are taught to hate Jews. American children growing up in lefty towns are taught to hate and distrust freedom, capitalism, and liberty - and are instead taught to blindly adore something that would remove their liberty. Pathetic.
"The Black Book of Communism"

860 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:38:58am

re: #856 MandyManners

Doesn't some UN whatsis allow us to stop and inspect every ship going and from North Korea?

Only with "permission" of the Country that flagged the ship. And this is a N Korean flagged ship. Good Luck. One hell of a resolution I say?

861 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:39:01am

re: #853 Walter L. Newton

Good morning, Walter.

Just-to-mention-it-as-fyi, Winston06 has a VERY interesting running commentary on the sermon posted on his blog.

(If you don't have that link handy, I posted it in the spinoffs for this thread.)

862 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:39:01am

re: #856 MandyManners

Yes, but the U.N. forgot to include missiles in the inspection regime.

863 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:39:02am
864 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:39:51am

re: #845 quickjustice

President Obama will station some anti-missile ships off Hawaii as a precaution. What he should do is destroy the missile on the launch pad, but he doesn't want to "provoke" the North Koreans.

But I thought the world hated us because Bush was in the White House, and once the Messiah got in everything would be love and kisses?

865 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:40:06am

re: #858 MandyManners

Now he's bloviating live about prayer. It's at the National Hispanic Conference. The back drop has "Esperanza"* all over it.

*Hope in Spanish.


Isn't Friday his big prayer day?

866 swamprat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:40:22am

re: #821 MandyManners

Fox is now reporting that North Korea is planning to fire a missile toward Hawaii on or near 7/4 and that we're tracking one of its ships thought to have nuclear material on board.

The real goal is for us to shoot down the missle, so others, (cough RUSSIA, cough), can study our anti-missle defense. This is a trap.

867 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:40:33am

re: #855 Nevergiveup

Game Set Match

I never expected anything different.

Game. First off, they have a basically unarmed populace and a storm trooper styled militia working the streets. They could ravish whole neighborhoods if they wanted.

Set. And secondly they have not received a very harsh response from any major world leader, except Sarkosy.

Match. Consider the above two points, Iran wins, the people loose.

868 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:40:34am

re: #828 soxfan4life

Copywright laws are a bitch. To think the musicians aren't entitled to royalties for their work is absurd.

Of course they are, but I think going after individuals for millions of dollars they obviously can never pay was the wrong way to go about it. This person never profited from file sharing, but Kazaa sure did.

869 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:40:38am

PersianKiwi:

unconfirmed reports - Revolutionary Guard has been mobilised to secure Tehran - #Iranelection
870 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:40:45am

The fucker is revelling in the economic pain his policies are causing.

871 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:41:28am

re: #846 MrSilverDragon

Even drunk I can see what a load of malarkey they're trying to dump on us.

Maybe their smoking something.

872 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:41:56am

re: #870 MandyManners

The fucker is revelling in the economic pain his policies are causing.


The more he makes dependent upon his programs the easier reelection will be.

873 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:42:50am

Islamists on the run

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

874 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:42:57am
875 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:43:45am

re: #869 reine.de.tout

PersianKiwi:

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Its looking dark in iran - see the tweet above.

Here is confirmation that the protest has been forbidden:
'2.30pm:
The opposition protest planned for tomorrow in Tehran has been banned, the authorities have just announced, according to the ISNA news agency.'
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

876 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:43:45am

re: #856 MandyManners

Doesn't some UN whatsis allow us to stop and inspect every ship going and from North Korea?

I think that would still be viewed as an act of war.

Besides, the Messiah will try to apologize out of this. That is the nuanced hope and change way.

877 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:44:42am

It appears that the day will not start while I am laying on the couch in a hotel room. Time to get movin!

878 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:45:00am

re: #870 MandyManners

The fucker is revelling in the economic pain his policies are causing.

of course, he's in the drivers seat, he won!...
what a punk

879 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:45:01am

This tweet just in from John sciutto, the ABC correspondent:

'#iranelection RT@nytimeskristof Khamenei's tough speech & Basij's boldness give me a v bad feeling Iran headed for a Tehran Tiananmen.'

880 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:45:40am

re: #877 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It appears that the day will not start while I am laying on the couch in a hotel room. Time to get movin!

How do ya know that the day is not over?

881 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:46:14am

'Persiankiwi' tweeted this half an hour ago:

'The situation in Iran is now CRITICAL - the nation is heartbroken - suppression is iminent - #Iranelection'

882 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:46:46am

re: #876 3 wood

I think that would still be viewed as an act of war.

Besides, the Messiah will try to apologize out of this. That is the nuanced hope and change way.

where are his supporters defending him 'round here?

883 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:46:51am

re: #879 yma o hyd

This tweet just in from John sciutto, the ABC correspondent:

'#iranelection RT@nytimeskristof Khamenei's tough speech & Basij's boldness give me a v bad feeling Iran headed for a Tehran Tiananmen.'

One sec, I know that guys twitter acct was hacked last night by iran bloggers.

Let me check and see if it still is---

884 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:47:04am

EU leaders: Iran has to prove elections were fair

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Urh, I don't have the rule book in front of me, but where does it say that?

885 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:48:11am

re: #873 albusteve

Islamists on the run

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

But lost in the post-production plaudits is a nagging loose end: two of the seven original defendants got away with it.

At least so far. Haithem Maghawri and Akram Mishal, both naturalized U.S. citizens, remain international fugitives from American justice. And it appears that no one is particularly interested in hunting them down or even talking about it.

Maghawri and Mishal were early HLF founders and high-level charity insiders, according to the indictment. The Lebanon-born Maghawri served as HLF executive director. Mishal, a cousin of supreme Hamas leader Khalid Mishal in Syria, served as the HLF’s grants and projects director.

Perhaps sensing trouble, Maghawri and Mishal left the country just ahead of the July 2004 indictment. Wives and children disappeared too, abandoning Dallas houses and friends.


peachy.

886 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:48:15am

re: #884 Nevergiveup

EU leaders: Iran has to prove elections were fair

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Urh, I don't have the rule book in front of me, but where does it say that?

ooo!...and if they don't?...the dreaded Sternly Worded Letter

887 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:48:16am
888 jorline  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:48:43am

re: #879 yma o hyd

This tweet just in from John sciutto, the ABC correspondent:

'#iranelection RT@nytimeskristof Khamenei's tough speech & Basij's boldness give me a v bad feeling Iran headed for a Tehran Tiananmen.'

The tweets I was reading last night said the students were skipping prayer today and would have a large rally on Saturday. This may turn out badly.

889 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:48:56am

The FBI says it found child pornography on a computer used by the man charged with the fatal shooting of a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum June 10.

In court documents filed Wednesday, an investigator says the pornography was found on a desktop computer during a search of an Annapolis, Maryland, apartment where 88-year old James von Brunn had been living for the past two years. The documents did not provide details about the pornography, but investigators requested permission to make a more extensive search of the computer and others found in von Brunn's home.

SNIP

The FBI also searched a red Hyundai that law enforcement officials say von Brunn left double-parked in front of the museum right before the shooting. In separate documents also filed on Wednesday, investigators say they found 35 rounds of live ammunition for a .22 caliber rifle. Officials allege von Brunn used a .22 caliber rifle, which was found at the scene, to shoot Johns in the chest.

According to paperwork detailing the car search, investigators found business cards advertising a USS Liberty Web site that claims Israeli forces "suddenly and brutally" attacked the U.S. Navy vessel in international waters in 1967. Investigators also found business cards for von Brunn's own Web site, which hosts postings of white supremacist writings.

Among other items found in the car were a disabled parking permit, mouthwash, a salt shaker and a roll of quarters totaling $7.25.

Earlier this week investigators filed papers saying among the items discovered in von Brunn's apartment was a painting that appeared to depict Hitler and Jesus. They also found a .30-30 rifle, ammunition and a handwritten will.

What?

890 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:49:01am

re: #885 FrogMarch

peachy.

so mush for fighting back with the rule of law...

891 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:49:21am

re: #872 soxfan4life

The more he makes dependent upon his programs the easier reelection will be.

BINGO!

892 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:49:53am

Here's a report on Khamenei's Friday address:
Iran's supreme leader has issued a stern warning that protests against the country's disputed presidential election results must end.

From that link:
'Addressing huge crowds at Tehran University, the ayatollah voiced support for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, saying the president's views on foreign affairs and social issues were close to his.
Mr Ahmadinejad was among the thousands of people who packed the campus and surrounding streets, punctuating the ayatollah's speech with chants. '

My emphasis - and I refrain from writing what popped into my mind re Ahmadi - I have no desire to commit suicide by stinky!

893 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:50:12am

re: #876 3 wood

I think that would still be viewed as an act of war.

Besides, the Messiah will try to apologize out of this. That is the nuanced hope and change way.

I'd hate to be he when reality smacks him upside the head.

894 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:50:39am

re: #878 albusteve

of course, he's in the drivers seat, he won!...
what a punk

I now have this image of Toonces in my head!

895 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:50:48am

Hawaii having any July 4 specials?

896 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:51:19am

re: #893 MandyManners

I'd hate to be he when reality smacks him upside the head.


We all will pay a horrible price for that.

897 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:51:43am

re: #887 buzzsawmonkey

Fair is foul, and foul is fair
Hover through the fog and the filthy air

--MacBeth

Up-ding for the Bard this early in the morning.

898 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:52:08am
899 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:52:27am

re: #894 MandyManners

I now have this image of Toonces in my head!

not all bad

Youtube Video
900 freetoken  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:52:42am

re: #860 Nevergiveup

Only with "permission" of the Country that flagged the ship. And this is a N Korean flagged ship. Good Luck. One hell of a resolution I say?

Put a link up in the spin-offs for you.

901 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:52:51am

re: #882 albusteve

where are his supporters defending him 'round here?

Scanning their Democrat party emails for today's talking points

902 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:53:17am

re: #896 soxfan4life

We all will pay a horrible price for that.

The cognitive dissonance inside his narcissistic head will be powerful. He'll have to whip out more than Pres. Bush for blame.

903 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:53:19am

ABC news correspondent Jim Sciutto had his twitter account hacked yesterday by pro-Iranian gov't messengers:

June 18, 2009 1:41 PM

ABC's Chief Foreign Correspondent Jim Sciutto has just left Iran. His visa, which allowed him to report from the streets of Tehran during the election demonstrations, has expired, requiring him to depart. He reports now from Dubai:

The government is now trying to turn technology against the protesters. Officials have started a number of fake opposition pages on Twitter, which are tweeting propaganda and misleading information. I became an unwitting victim when a user named ‘persian_guy’ retweeted several things under my name which I didn’t write. Here are a couple:

Persian_Guy: RT @jimsciuttoABC Moussavi concedes pleads for calm #iranelection #tehran #iran9 #gr88

Persian_Guy: RT @jimsciuttoABC Tehran's upper class leading protests, the majority of the population suffers by the chaos from vocal minority #iran #gr88

That ‘Tehran’s upper class’ are forcing the protests on average Iranians is a common government line, dismissing the protesters as a bunch of privileged kids. Thankfully, a few of my followers spotted the RT and started spreading the word. Opposition Twitterers have disseminated a list of several fake opposition pages: [Link: twitspam.org...]

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

I don't know what the status is now, but the account was compromised yesterday. I'd be wary.

904 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:53:20am

Here's a short analysis by the Beeb in tehran:

'Very robust words indeed from the Supreme Leader. Ayatollah Khamenei said the election results are fine and there's no way that any vote rigging could have happened in this nation.
That would be treacherous, he said. He has effectively endorsed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's landslide win. He said it just isn't possible to have vote rigging here.

In the meantime, he has told Western nations "keep your nose out of our business, these are domestic affairs you are meddling in and you are responsible for the allegations of vote rigging to begin with"

My emphasis - don't you just love it when the western Nations are blamed for everything ...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

905 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:53:37am

re: #893 MandyManners

I'd hate to be he when reality smacks him upside the head.

Yes, but that smack will hit us too.

906 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:54:06am

re: #874 buzzsawmonkey

It is only by going after individuals who steal other people's work that the vast bulk of the populace is even aware that copyright laws exist. It is only by spreading the fear that one can be liable for theft that people will, on occasion, think before they take.

People really are unaware of copyright law? This is your field, IIRC, so I'll take your word for it, but I find that utterly amazing.

907 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:55:03am

re: #887 buzzsawmonkey

Fair is foul, and foul is fair
Hover through the fog and the filthy air

--MacBeth

OH! Hi, you're here.
Which end door did you come in through?

908 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:55:08am

re: #864 3 wood

XXXooo! ;-)

909 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:55:30am

re: #902 MandyManners

The cognitive dissonance inside his narcissistic head will be powerful. He'll have to whip out more than Pres. Bush for blame.


Somehow he will try top convince us we are not worthy of his leadership or great intellect.

910 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:56:09am

re: #903 iceweasel

It pays to be wary of every tweet, really - but I recall seing last night that he got onto that spam and I suppose he's changed whatever needed to be changed.

Also - this situation has been described by various twitters, so I think it a fair description.

911 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:56:19am

re: #902 MandyManners

The cognitive dissonance inside his narcissistic head will be powerful. He'll have to whip out more than Pres. Bush for blame.

don't bet on it...he's gotten away with telling bold faced lies straight to the public...one day he will go too far, soon I hope

912 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:56:38am

re: #904 yma o hyd

My emphasis - don't you just love it when the western Nations are blamed for everything ...

They are just doing what Obama does.

913 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:56:46am

re: #898 buzzsawmonkey

On black velvet?

*shaking head*

914 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:57:52am

re: #908 quickjustice

XXXooo! ;-)

I snickered out loud at that one :)

915 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:58:31am

re: #750 J.D.

Better get sick now, not later
Line up for that surgery before Obamacare becomes law


Anyone have an idea what AARP's take is on all this?


They love it. I just got my AAPR mag the other day and they are pretty much in line with Obama Care. They don't go out on a limb and predict life shortening rationing of care but they did hint that some treatment options currently available now may be less affordable in the future.

916 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:58:38am

re: #898 buzzsawmonkey

On black velvet?

Good one!

917 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:58:47am

re: #899 albusteve

Toonces! back when SNL was actually funny.

918 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:58:51am

re: #912 3 wood

They are just doing what Obama does.

and some people don't want us to weaken his appearance with critisizm...yeah right

919 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:58:52am

re: #899 albusteve

not all bad

Youtube Video

Did you ever see Victoria Jackson do the splits in the air on the Weekend Update desk?

920 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:59:03am

re: #909 soxfan4life

Somehow he will try top convince us we are not worthy of his leadership or great intellect.

As the Master of the Universe the position of POTUS is beneath him.

921 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:59:37am

SHOCKER: New obama appointee has tax problems.

922 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:00:09am

re: #919 MandyManners

Did you ever see Victoria Jackson do the splits in the air on the Weekend Update desk?

uh, no...did I miss anything?

923 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:00:17am

re: #920 Spare O'Lake

As the Master of the Universe the position of POTUS is beneath him.


Yet above his paygrade.

924 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:00:31am
925 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:01:05am

re: #921 rightside

SHOCKER: New obama appointee has tax problems.

weee! democrats don't have to pay taxes - they just have to dream up new ways to tax us little people.

926 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:01:21am

re: #767 Nevergiveup

From Team America: World Police:

Kim Jong Il: "And take the girl to my bedroom."

[Guards seize Sarah and beginning dragging her towards the door.]

Kim Jong Il: "Not that one, you idiots! The pretty one!"

[Guards drop Sarah, seize Lisa, and begin dragging her towards the door.]

Sarah: "That's right! Take the pretty one, not the one who has something to offer!"

927 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:02:01am

re: #904 yma o hyd

Here's a short analysis by the Beeb in tehran:

'Very robust words indeed from the Supreme Leader. Ayatollah Khamenei said the election results are fine and there's no way that any vote rigging could have happened in this nation.
That would be treacherous, he said. He has effectively endorsed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's landslide win. He said it just isn't possible to have vote rigging here.

In the meantime, he has told Western nations "keep your nose out of our business, these are domestic affairs you are meddling in and you are responsible for the allegations of vote rigging to begin with"

My emphasis - don't you just love it when the western Nations are blamed for everything ...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Must be a Tolkien fan.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for we are crunchy and go great with catsup".

928 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:02:10am

Quotes from a report by the TIMES/London:

'He (Khamenei) added, with distinct menace: "Those politicians who somehow have influence on people should be very careful about their behaviour if they act in an extremist manner...This extremism will reach a sensitive level which they will not be able to contain. They will be responsible for the blood, violence and chaos."'
This is more than disingenuous - the protests have been extremely peaceful!

''Mr Khamenei also blamed the deaths, violence and vandalism of the past week on "ill-wishers, mercenaries and elements working for the espionage machines of Zionism and western powers".'
Oh yes - and the police and militia were innocent bystanders?

'The faithful, bussed to the prayer hall in their thousands, roared their approval. The speech is likely to have been received rather less rapturously on the streets outside '
Indeed - also, twitters said yesterday that many people from outlying districts and villages were being bussed in already for this Khamenei speech.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

929 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:02:25am

re: #925 FrogMarch

weee! democrats don't have to pay taxes - they just have to dream up new ways to tax us little people.

Well, why would they pay taxes when the populace are going to do it for them?

930 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:03:26am

re: #921 rightside

SHOCKER: New obama appointee has tax problems.


0bama will end issuing more waivers for cabinet positions than apologies for America worldwide.

931 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:04:17am
932 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:04:19am

On Fox now, moderate Dems looking to reduce the charge to Obama Care. Say it's not a good idea to do this in a recession. And it's too expensive. Can they be listening to screams of their constituents?

I wonder if this is why the White House has ABC pimping the plan for free?

933 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:04:21am

re: #929 MrSilverDragon

Well, why would they pay taxes when the populace are going to do it for them?

greasy, ass kissing sycophants...it's a disgrace

934 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:05:16am

re: #929 MrSilverDragon

Well, why would they pay taxes when the populace are going to do it for them?


I just can't figure how someone could be so friggin stupid that they never noticed they did not get a $37 thousand dollar refund. Is she so filthy rich that she doesn't notice that? I mean come on, that is more than I make in a year, even someone making a half mil or so a year should notice something like that. And their accountant messed up? and didn't file? Then why is he still their accountant? One would think you pay an accountant to actually notice that your income tax refund for $37 thousand dollars was not put in the bank by the IRS 2 years ago.

935 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:05:23am

re: #928 yma o hyd

"Those politicians who somehow have influence on people should be very careful about their behaviour ..."

I strongly suspect that was a thinnnly veiled warning to Rafsanjani, and his allies.

936 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:05:26am

re: #933 albusteve

greasy, ass kissing sycophants...it's a disgrace

albusteve ... Good Morning ... and ... um ... tell us how you really feel about it ... LOL ..

937 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:06:02am

re: #867 Walter L. Newton

I was hopeful about Iran, but not optimistic. The Iranian demonstrators now will be suppressed, and it will be bloody. That's not the worst.

The worst is that President Obama and Hillary will approach Ahmadinejad shortly to cut a deal that gives them nuclear weapons subject to U.N. "inspections", and sets off a nuclear arms race in the region with the Arabs. Millions will die in a nuclear exchange in the Persian Gulf, including the wretched Iranians. The question is whether Israel also will be targeted.

938 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:06:07am

re: #932 VioletTiger

On Fox now, moderate Dems looking to reduce the charge to Obama Care. Say it's not a good idea to do this in a recession. And it's too expensive. Can they be listening to screams of their constituents?

I wonder if this is why the White House has ABC pimping the plan for free?

BO is scared to death of the Blue Dogs...they are the back breaker, assuming the limp wristed GOP stands united

939 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:06:42am

re: #936 JacksonTn

albusteve ... Good Morning ... and ... um ... tell us how you really feel about it ... LOL ..

I can't...I'm on the bubble...hahaha!

940 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:06:45am
941 Macker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:07:00am

Good Morning Lizards! Thank Goodness It's Friday!

942 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:07:10am

re: #925 FrogMarch

weee! democrats don't have to pay taxes - they just have to dream up new ways to tax us little people.

How does one forget to file tax returns for two years? And even though she got a big refund, one must ask...how stupid do you have to be to forget to file a tax return when you are getting a big refund, and why would we want to hire somebody that stupid?

943 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:07:11am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We've got a strange apparition appearing in the sky today, and worship is set to commence among the masses. Have no fear. It makes regularly scheduled appearances daily, but not in these parts for the better part of the month. And it was just announced that those folks who paid for US Open tickets will get to use them on Monday.

Meanwhile, over in Iran, the Supreme Ayatollah has thrown down the gauntlet, warning the demonstrators and apparently threatening Mousavi personally with exile if they don't stop and recognize Ahmadinejad as the winner.

Bad jobu all the way around.

The line has been drawn, and the protesters aren't backing down as yet.

944 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:07:23am

re: #934 johnnyreb

I just can't figure how someone could be so friggin stupid that they never noticed they did not get a $37 thousand dollar refund. Is she so filthy rich that she doesn't notice that? I mean come on, that is more than I make in a year, even someone making a half mil or so a year should notice something like that. And their accountant messed up? and didn't file? Then why is he still their accountant? One would think you pay an accountant to actually notice that your income tax refund for $37 thousand dollars was not put in the bank by the IRS 2 years ago.


We are just supposed to believe all their lies and not ask questions like this. Now you need to be on the lookout for the black helicopters.

945 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:07:43am

re: #940 buzzsawmonkey

RATS!

946 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:07:52am

re: #938 albusteve

BO is scared to death of the Blue Dogs...they are the back breaker, assuming the limp wristed GOP stands united

albusteve ... yeah, well, I was hoping the Blue Dogs would stand up during the election ... never happened ... I wrote more letters than I can count ... I will actively campaign against my reps ... if they stand up now I will be surprised ... but I hope they do ...

947 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:07:53am

re: #934 johnnyreb

GMTA?

948 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:08:48am

Twinkle, Twinkle Little Dumbass

Kimmy tells the Daily Mail that she paid a Romanian tattoo artist £55 to decorate her face with only three stars. Kimmy, who might have the worst case of narcolepsy ever, says she fell asleep while the dude had a sharp needle on her face and woke up covered in STARZ. 56 stars to be exact.

/gee, you think one look at the "tattoo artist" should have been a clue that things might not go well?

949 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:09:20am

Here are the tweets from StopAhmadi, sent at the time of Khamenei's speech:

'Ok ppl, I think it will officially be a war in Iran from now on..'

'What will follow nxt? Continuous protests, war btwn ppl & regime or nothing?'

'RT @electronicmaji: not only did Khamenei piss off the majority of his nation,he pissed of the majority of the world'

'Ppl in Iran will most likely not accept ths, remember "peace if possible but truth at all costs" #iranelection'

'I'd say Iranian ppl will go w/ Ganhdi-like protests, we genuinely believe peaceful protests 2 B most powerful.'

950 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:09:21am

re: #940 buzzsawmonkey

I keep trying to fit "Rafsanjani" into a "Swanee" parody, but can't get past "Rafsanjani, how I luv ya, how I luv ya."

Sometimes things just don't work.

Funny, the first thing I thought of when I saw "Rafsanjani" was the old "Meow Mix" commercials...

Raf san jan i...
Raf san jan i...

Hrmm... maybe I have had too much to drink.

951 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:09:25am

re: #938 albusteve

BO is scared to death of the Blue Dogs...they are the back breaker, assuming the limp wristed GOP stands united

Throw those Blue Dogs a few Scooby snacks. Hope they stand up for us.

952 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:09:55am

re: #942 VioletTiger

How does one forget to file tax returns for two years? And even though she got a big refund, one must ask...how stupid do you have to be to forget to file a tax return when you are getting a big refund, and why would we want to hire somebody that stupid?

I'm pretty sure 0bama will tell us she is the only one qualified to do the job.

953 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:10:26am

re: #935 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I strongly suspect that was a thinnnly veiled warning to Rafsanjani, and his allies.

And to Mousavi and Karoubi - who both are not exactly rabble rousers.

954 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #942 VioletTiger

How does one forget to file tax returns for two years? And even though she got a big refund, one must ask...how stupid do you have to be to forget to file a tax return when you are getting a big refund, and why would we want to hire somebody that stupid?

Answer:
weee! democrats don't have to pay taxes - they just have to dream up new ways to tax us little people.

955 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:11:31am

The fishing trip is cancelled because my father might have to take my mom back to the hospital today. *sigh*

956 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:12:09am

re: #937 quickjustice

I was hopeful about Iran, but not optimistic. The Iranian demonstrators now will be suppressed, and it will be bloody. That's not the worst.

The worst is that President Obama and Hillary will approach Ahmadinejad shortly to cut a deal that gives them nuclear weapons subject to U.N. "inspections", and sets off a nuclear arms race in the region with the Arabs. Millions will die in a nuclear exchange in the Persian Gulf, including the wretched Iranians. The question is whether Israel also will be targeted.

all that's almost beside the point...he's blackmailing Israel and calling it 'peace'...no principle, no morals, and certainly his antiAmerican liberalism will get people killed...he's not serving, he's running for a second term and outlining his legacy

957 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:12:17am

re: #952 soxfan4life

Because Mrs. Marshall and her cardiologist husband apparently overpaid their taxes, they owe the government nothing. Those are the only circumstances under which you want to fail to file a return.

958 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:12:54am

This quote from Khamenei's speech takes the biscuit:
'khameneyi said people should not go to streets killing Innocent basij & police troops, it will have a bad outcome if continues'

(Tweet from 'change for iran)

959 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:12:54am

re: #955 MandyManners

Sorry, Mandy. :-(

960 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:13:00am

Good morning lizards!

Checking tweets from IranAnon...

Unconfirmed: its said khameneyi has given sepah 1 week to quiet tehran down with all their forces #iranelection

ppl r refering to tomorrows rally as THE MOST important one. we must ALL attend. #iranelection

Khamaneyi just implied he doesnt care if we all die! #iranelection

I believe it's now time to think about tank barriers. Any good ideas? #iranelection

Khameneyi: i am willing to give my life - (ppl started crying in like less than a second! lol ) #iranelection

i was just out, ppl is streets r getting more angry with khameneyi's words #iranelection

JUST GOT BACK FROM OUTSIDE, TEHRAN is FULL of buses which brought ppl to friday prayers from small cities! #iranelection

961 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:13:17am

re: #953 yma o hyd

And to Mousavi and Karoubi - who both are not exactly rabble rousers.

Yes, as a matter of course, but Rafsanjani might be (IS, according to expat analyses I've read) the only one who can present a clear and present threat to Khamenei's power.

962 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:13:43am

Won't Clinton's actions be curtailed since she broke her elbow?

963 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:13:51am

re: #955 MandyManners


Sorry, hope all turns out okay.

964 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:14:20am

re: #956 albusteve

He isn't yet as bad as Clinton-- there's no evidence yet that he's taking bribes from the Chinese-- but give him time!

965 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:14:22am
966 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:15:09am

re: #919 MandyManners

I loved Victoria Jackson.

Totally hawt!

967 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:15:10am

re: #962 MandyManners


Isn't George Mitchell over there with all Hillary's authority?

968 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:15:25am

re: #965 buzzsawmonkey

Depends. Can she distinguish it from her posterior?

Sure, because only one is fractured now.
/

969 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:15:40am

Damn, we lost power here.

970 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:15:46am

re: #955 MandyManners

{Mandy}

971 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:15:48am

re: #955 MandyManners

The fishing trip is cancelled because my father might have to take my mom back to the hospital today. *sigh*

bummer...fishing with my grampa was one of the highlites of my childhood...you only have so many heartbeats and those are well invested

972 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:16:48am
973 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:18:34am

re: #960 NJDhockeyfan

I believe it's now time to think about tank barriers. Any good ideas?

Bottles. Gasoline. Acid. Courage.

974 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:18:35am

re: #964 quickjustice

He isn't yet as bad as Clinton-- there's no evidence yet that he's taking bribes from the Chinese-- but give him time!

at least we had the Bill and Hill Sex-O-Rama for a bone to chew

975 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:18:36am

re: #961 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To both Khamenei and Ahmadinejad.
That is - politically.

Also in that corner are Ayatollah Khatami (used to be Supreme Leader ...) and the Grand ayatollah, Motazeri, who generally keeps out of things, but has condemned this election fraud already.

We also need to keep in mind that both Mousavi and Karoubi were former henchmen of the mullahs - Mousavi being President from 1981 to 1989, and Karoubi was president of their parliament.


Its not going to have a happy ending - the only question is, for whom.

The losers, as usual, will be the people.

976 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:04am

Every time I walk to the gym after work I pass this memorial:

[Link: www.victimsofcommunism.org...]

It makes me think about what's happening in Iran. I know they're not communist, but the people there oppressed and they're trying to stand up their government.

Yesterday the statue was sorrounded by wreaths from embassies of countries that were formerly communist.

977 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:09am

re: #918 albusteve

and some people don't want us to weaken his appearance with critisizm...yeah right

Speaking of which, I remember one of his worshipful supporters around here predicted around the end of May that the market would go up another 10% or so in June.

Well, on June 1st the Dow was 8721.

The dow at the minute is 8582

By my math that is a drop of -1.59%

The months not over but good luck with that prediction, lefty.

978 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:18am

Has anyone seen realwest today?

979 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:27am

re: #964 quickjustice

He isn't yet as bad as Clinton-- there's no evidence yet that he's taking bribes from the Chinese-- but give him time!

QJ ... I would take Clinton any day over Obama ...

980 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:29am

re: #965 buzzsawmonkey

Depends. Can she distinguish it from her posterior?

Well, they're both cracked...

/end prepubescent humor

981 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:41am

re: #971 albusteve

I didn't mean to distract from the reason for the cancellation...my apologies Mandy

982 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:47am

re: #955 MandyManners

Sorry Mandy. Hope your Mom feels better.

983 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:49am

re: #954 FrogMarch

The nonpayment of taxes is bad enough, but consider this.

She only decided to repay in November 2008, which suggests that the only reason she repaid was because was in the running for a slot in the Administration. I doubt she would have paid up otherwise.

984 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:19:59am

re: #927 MandyManners

Must be a Tolkien fan.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for we think you are crunchy and go great with catsup".

FTFY

985 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:20:43am

re: #969 rightside

Damn, we lost power here.

An electrifying moment ONLY in a metaphorical sense.

986 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:21:07am

re: #983 lawhawk

The nonpayment of taxes is bad enough, but consider this.

She only decided to repay in November 2008, which suggests that the only reason she repaid was because was in the running for a slot in the Administration. I doubt she would have paid up otherwise.

Actually she got a refund, they did not owe anything.

987 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:21:41am

re: #985 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's very infrequent we lose power here on base.

988 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:21:44am

re: #955 MandyManners

The fishing trip is cancelled because my father might have to take my mom back to the hospital today. *sigh*

Bummer.

989 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:22:08am

Iran's Khamenei condemns "foreign power" interference

(is Obama going to apologize for interferring)

[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

990 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:22:24am

re: #978 rightside

Has anyone seen realwest today?

I think he was up late last night.

991 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:22:28am

Good morning y'all - from a very warm (75 degrees, going up to 98 degrees today, 100 tomorrow) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Hope y'all are doing well today!

992 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:22:52am

re: #937 quickjustice

I was hopeful about Iran, but not optimistic. The Iranian demonstrators now will be suppressed, and it will be bloody. That's not the worst.

The worst is that President Obama and Hillary will approach Ahmadinejad shortly to cut a deal that gives them nuclear weapons subject to U.N. "inspections", and sets off a nuclear arms race in the region with the Arabs. Millions will die in a nuclear exchange in the Persian Gulf, including the wretched Iranians. The question is whether Israel also will be targeted.

Of course Israel will be targeted, and the world will shed tears over how much Palestinian land is now radioactive, not over Tel Aviv.

993 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:23:05am

Interesting analysis by John Leyne, Beeb correspondent in Tehran, from last night:

'The disputed election has unleashed deep emotions amongst many Iranians bitter about a government and a system that they believe fails to meet their aspirations. When they chant "death to the dictator" it is surely directed at the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei.

Whether the opposition understand it or not, they are implicitly challenging the whole system. Members of the opposition believe Mr Ahmadinejad bribes people to support him, and busses them in to his rallies. But there is plenty of fervour in his camp as well.

Behind the scenes there is an equally bitter dispute between the Supreme Leader and former President Rafsanjani, who is backing the opposition.

While the leader may control many levers of power, Mr Rafsanjani heads the Assembly of Experts, which has the power to elect the leader, supervise him, and theoretically even to dismiss him So it is a political battle between two veterans of the Islamic Revolution, but also a titanic dispute about the whole future of Iran, whose outcome no-one can predict. '

(my emphasis)

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

994 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:23:22am

re: #921 rightside

SHOCKER: New obama appointee has tax problems.

From your link, she blames everybody but herself:

President Obama’s choice as chief of protocol for the State Department, a position that carries the status of an ambassadorship, did not file tax returns for 2005 and 2006, errors she corrected last November.

The nominee, Capricia Penavic Marshall, has placed blame for the problem on the Postal Service and on miscommunication between her husband and their accountant.

That's right, she blames the Post Office, her husband, and her accountant.

She will be a prefect fit for Obama's administration.

I'm just surprised that she did not blame Bush.

995 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:23:33am

re: #955 MandyManners

The fishing trip is cancelled because my father might have to take my mom back to the hospital today. *sigh*

So sorry to hear that. Your family are in my prayers.

996 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:23:36am
997 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:23:58am

re: #989 Walter L. Newton

Iran's Khamenei condemns "foreign power" interference

(is Obama going to apologize for interferring)

[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

WLN ... I thought the french guy was the only one who said anything ... did Obama even say anything in support of the protestors? ... but he will probably apologize anyway ...

998 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:24:36am

re: #977 3 wood

Speaking of which, I remember one of his worshipful supporters around here predicted around the end of May that the market would go up another 10% or so in June.

Well, on June 1st the Dow was 8721.

The dow at the minute is 8582

By my math that is a drop of -1.59%

The months not over but good luck with that prediction, lefty.

If it was just the economy, the markets would be soaring on the looming recovery.

/they're just absolutely spooked by Obama's crazy anti-capitalist policies and reckless record deficit spending, frightened to the core wondering what the hell he might do next

999 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:24:37am

re: #994 3 wood
Hey there 3 wood, how are you doing today?!

1000 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:24:39am

re: #994 3 wood

That's right, she blames the Post Office, her husband, and her accountant.

She will be a prefect fit for Obama's administration.

I'm just surprised that she did not blame Bush.

Had she been properly briefed ahead of time she would have.

1001 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:24:44am

re: #932 VioletTiger

On Fox now, moderate Dems looking to reduce the charge to Obama Care. Say it's not a good idea to do this in a recession. And it's too expensive. Can they be listening to screams of their constituents?

I wonder if this is why the White House has ABC pimping the plan for free?

And the way to cut costs is to cut care. Anyone who thinks the government will give us better care (or even the same care) for less money hasn't been paying attention to government programs.

1002 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:24:48am

re: #991 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a very warm (75 degrees, going up to 98 degrees today, 100 tomorrow) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Hope y'all are doing well today!

Hiya, {rw}!

Always nice to see you!
Mind - those temperatures you report ... thats far too hot for me!

1003 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:25:20am

re: #969 rightside

Damn, we lost power here.

Well turn on the lights and look for it

1004 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:25:31am

re: #994 3 wood

That's right, she blames the Post Office, her husband, and her accountant.

She will be a prefect fit for Obama's administration.

I'm just surprised that she did not blame Bush.

3W ... give her time ... when she gets to her desk it will be the Obama Employee Handbook ... Blame Bush First ...

1005 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:25:52am

re: #977 3 wood

Speaking of which, I remember one of his worshipful supporters around here predicted around the end of May that the market would go up another 10% or so in June.

Well, on June 1st the Dow was 8721.

The dow at the minute is 8582

By my math that is a drop of -1.59%

The months not over but good luck with that prediction, lefty.

give the 10% of the bailout time to work...duh...meanwhile unemployment and inflation cut into whats left...of course jobs are filling up in the govt sector...how can anybody fall for this scam?

1006 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:25:54am

re: #991 realwest

Real? Did you up-ding "gymnast" on purpose? Said we had basically turned into a tourist stop. In the bottom ten...with one little bitty upding... sure hope it was a mistake.

1007 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:26:16am

re: #996 buzzsawmonkey
ROTFL! Hi buzz! you're right enough about the timing!
Hope you're well today?

1008 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:26:40am

re: #986 JohnnyReb

Actually, there are penalties for failure to pay returns on timely fashion, even if the taxpayer has a refund due. She had to settle up with the IRS, and only did so after scrutiny was placed on her tax records.

1009 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:26:42am
1010 Ateam  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:27:18am

While POTUS was busy hunting Neo-Orthodox flies disturbing peace and tranquility over the Czar's palace, young creative Iranians invented a new form of protest - indoor demonstrations. No need to step up outside. Not even depend on Internet. Only use of natural human resource - freedom of speech (or shout, or whistle).

here you can see (mostly hear) sounds from Teheran's night:

Youtube Video
1011 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:27:27am
1012 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:27:28am

re: #997 JacksonTn

WLN ... I thought the french guy was the only one who said anything ... did Obama even say anything in support of the protestors? ... but he will probably apologize anyway ...

I was being sarcastic. Obama has been apologizing for everything over the last 8 months, why not this?

1013 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:28:03am

re: #994 3 wood

I'm just surprised that she did not blame Bush.

Postmaster General worked for who in '05 and '06?

See, we'll get on Bush yet!

1014 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:28:04am

re: #989 Walter L. Newton

He's also taken to blaming the Jews - claiming the zionist media is meddling and interfering and getting the demonstrators to go out and protest.

1015 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:28:52am

re: #715 rightside

Somewhat estranged, beloved child.

1016 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:28:55am

re: #1014 lawhawk

He's also taken to blaming the Jews - claiming the zionist media is meddling and interfering and getting the demonstrators to go out and protest.

I wasn't aware there were so many Zionists left in Iran? Stupid me.

1017 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:29:39am

re: #991 realwest

Holy Cow what timing!

realwest, can you please add mamacares to the prayer list. See my #715 upthread. Also, see her #1015.

1018 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:30:39am
1019 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:30:56am

re: #1013 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Postmaster General worked for who in '05 and '06?

See, we'll get on Bush yet!

Jeez, now we can expect to see a MSM piece on Bush appointees working behind the scenes to discredit 0bama hopefuls.

1020 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:31:08am

re: #1003 Nevergiveup

There are actually emergency lights just above my desk, and we have windows up high here. Still odd losing power here.

1021 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:31:40am

re: #987 rightside

It's very infrequent we lose power here on base.

OT, which you will be able to relate to:

The carrier was in Yoko. I'd come back from the beach and was asleep. Bunk was near the foot of a ladder leading up to the hangar deck.

About 2AM, they shut down most of the power to that part of the ship to do maintenance on the distribution circuits. Emergency lights still on. Light still coming down from the hangar deck. Not a single solitary motor running.

I woke up with the hairs on the back of my neck standing up (literally.) Took me several seconds to recognize that things were okay. Settled down only after I heard guys talking in the distance on the hangar deck.

1022 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:32:15am

re: #1020 rightside

There are actually emergency lights just above my desk, and we have windows up high here. Still odd losing power here.

Here is where?

1023 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:32:35am

re: #1008 lawhawk

Actually, there are penalties for failure to pay returns on timely fashion, even if the taxpayer has a refund due. She had to settle up with the IRS, and only did so after scrutiny was placed on her tax records.


Oh I understand there are usually penalties for not filing, but apparently in this case she did not get any fines.

From the article:

"That call led the couple to the discovery that the authorities had no record of their returns for 2005 and 2006. No late fees or penalties were assessed when they later submitted the returns."

Unlike my son who had to pay a $200 penalty for not filing because he was only going to get a $15 refund.

1024 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:32:36am

re: #997 JacksonTn
Hey Jackson! I thought the German President (Merkel) and the PM of Great Britain said something as well and I know I remember (cause I was so shocked!) that the head of the EU and even Ban ki Moon of the UN said something.
I am, nonetheless, surprised and extremely disappointed that our President didn't say anything stronger - like
"America has always been about Freedom - striving for all Americans to have it and we have always supported Freedom and Democracy around the World. We condemn, TOTALLY, the brutal attacks on the "dissidents" by the Iranian government, the shooting, beatings and threats to the families of those dissidents. It is indeed a situation that Iranians must deal with themselves, but we can and will not sit idly by without voicing our concerns over the way the Iranian government has responded to the Iranians who have disputed the outcome of the recent elections."
Or something like that written by someone who is better at it than I am.

1025 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:33:56am

re: #1024 realwest

I wish you could write for him for a day.

1026 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:33:57am

re: #1021 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Definitely. Underway for a month, pull into port, everything shut down. In our berthing, the overboard discharge piping for the fuel tanks seawater compensation system runs right through the middle of it. It was silent in berthing, I couldn't sleep.

1027 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:34:22am

'3.30pm:
State-controlled Press TV has more on the banning of tomorrow's opposition rally. "I hope that this rally will not be held as no legal permission has been granted for this rally," said Morteza Tamadon, the governor general of Tehran.'
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]


I'm getting a very bad feeling about this.

1028 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:34:33am

re: #1022 Nevergiveup

On the base here east of Fredericksburg, VA

1029 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:34:54am

re: #1001 Kosh's Shadow
Um, with all due respect KS - the government has already cut the care provided for by Medicare - all medicare recipients, regardless of their financial condition, must pay a LOT more money out of pocket this year already.
God only knows what will happen next year.

1030 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:34:56am

re: #1025 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wish you could write for him for a day.


I wish he could speak for him for a day.

1031 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:35:15am

re: #1023 JohnnyReb

Really. If the IRS owes you, I was under the impression that they really don't care if you ever file.

I've done it several times (didn't say I wasn't a moron) just not in a hurry.

1032 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:35:17am

re: #998 Killian Bundy

/they're just absolutely spooked by Obama's crazy anti-capitalist policies and reckless record deficit spending, frightened to the core wondering what the hell he might do next

The goal posts keep moving with this guy. How do you make long term investment decisions with him changing the rules like you change shirts?

You can't, so they sit back watch, and wait.

1033 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:35:18am

re: #993 yma o hyd

analysis by John Leyne, Beeb correspondent in Tehran

Dead bang on target.

1034 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:35:21am

re: #993 yma o hyd

Interesting analysis by John Leyne, Beeb correspondent in Tehran, from last night:

'The disputed election has unleashed deep emotions amongst many Iranians bitter about a government and a system that they believe fails to meet their aspirations. When they chant "death to the dictator" it is surely directed at the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei.

Whether the opposition understand it or not, they are implicitly challenging the whole system. Members of the opposition believe Mr Ahmadinejad bribes people to support him, and busses them in to his rallies. But there is plenty of fervour in his camp as well.

Behind the scenes there is an equally bitter dispute between the Supreme Leader and former President Rafsanjani, who is backing the opposition.

While the leader may control many levers of power, Mr Rafsanjani heads the Assembly of Experts, which has the power to elect the leader, supervise him, and theoretically even to dismiss him So it is a political battle between two veterans of the Islamic Revolution, but also a titanic dispute about the whole future of Iran, whose outcome no-one can predict. '

(my emphasis)

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

They should call in Don King to set up a winner take all Ayatollah grudge match.
Mullah Madness?
Koranic Panic?

1035 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:36:15am

re: #1027 yma o hyd

Yeah, I don't think people are going to stay inside tomorrow. This could be really bad.

1036 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:36:44am

re: #999 realwest

Hey there 3 wood, how are you doing today?!

Fine, got a music gig tonight, another tomorrow afternoon, and then we head out for a festival.

Life is good.

How are you and your Mom?

1037 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:36:55am

re: #996 buzzsawmonkey

re: #990 soxfan4life

re: #991 realwest

Now that's timing!

Let's have a vote on who's the sock/s!

1038 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:37:22am

re: #1017 rightside

Holy Cow what timing!

realwest, can you please add mamacares to the prayer list. See my #715 upthread. Also, see her #1015.

Thank you very much.

1039 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:37:30am

Looks like shit's getting back to normal in Iran.

And good evening to all.

1040 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:37:38am

re: #994 3 wood

That's right, she blames the Post Office, her husband, and her accountant.

She will be a prefect fit for Obama's administration.

I'm just surprised that she did not blame Bush.

Ya know, I've been thinking about violating my lifelong principles and getting me one of those soft, cushy government jobs.

Unfortunately I'd filed and paid my taxes all my life.

I'm assuming that is an automatic disqualifier, nowadays.

1041 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:38:05am

re: #1038 mamacares

Hang in there, prayers on the way.

1042 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:38:27am

re: #1035 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't think people are going to stay inside tomorrow. This could be really bad.

Especially since Khamenei has given free rein to the security forces by pre-emptively blaming everything that happens from now on on Mousavi and Katoubi - and, of course, the evil west and the even more evil Zoinists.

1043 mamacares  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:38:49am

re: #1041 rightside

Tears and smile.
Hope.

1044 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:38:59am

Let's go rock! Peace y'all!

1045 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:39:03am

re: #1031 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are separate penalties imposed for the failure to file the return and the failure to pay tax.

Bad idea to do neither. But apparently it's worse to do so when you're not a prospective member of the Obama Administration than if you're a member of the unaffiliated masses.

1046 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:39:06am

re: #983 lawhawk

The nonpayment of taxes is bad enough, but consider this.

She only decided to repay in November 2008, which suggests that the only reason she repaid was because was in the running for a slot in the Administration. I doubt she would have paid up otherwise.

*nods* I doubt any of them would have paid up. Geithner included.

1047 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:39:12am

re: #1028 rightside

On the base here east of Fredericksburg, VA

What base? Isn't Quantico near there?

1048 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:39:33am

re: #1032 3 wood

The goal posts keep moving with this guy. How do you make long term investment decisions with him changing the rules like you change shirts?

You can't, so they sit back watch, and wait.

If pretty much moved to short term trading.

/take what I can get, where I can get it, get in, get out, lots of small ball, but it adds up

1049 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:39:57am

re: #1019 soxfan4life

Jeez, now we can expect to see a MSM piece on Bush appointees working behind the scenes to discredit 0bama hopefuls.

That's a common spin on the lefty blogs.

1050 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:40:11am

re: #1042 yma o hyd

Protesters are going to be prepared but they are lightly armed at best.

1051 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:41:03am

Anyone watching the US Open? That's some wet, muddy grass they'r e playing on.

1052 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:41:39am

re: #1049 3 wood

Not surprising.

1053 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:41:41am

re: #1051 Lincolntf

Anyone watching the US Open? That's some wet, muddy grass they'r e playing on.

Welcome to the North East this summer

1054 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:41:50am

re: #1047 Nevergiveup

No, that's north of there, this used to be Naval Surface Warfare Center. Still kind of is, but the bean counters changed the name to Naval District Potomac South or something like that

1055 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:42:00am

re: #1026 rightside

Definitely. Underway for a month, pull into port, everything shut down. In our berthing, the overboard discharge piping for the fuel tanks seawater compensation system runs right through the middle of it. It was silent in berthing, I couldn't sleep.

heh ... yeah!

1056 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:42:50am

Good morning Lizardia! My son proposed to his girlfriend last night with candlelight and flowers. She gets the ring next week, when the whole family is assembled.

My oldest son is pissed, now that he is the only bachelor left in the family.

1057 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:42:52am

re: #1054 rightside

No, that's north of there, this used to be Naval Surface Warfare Center. Still kind of is, but the bean counters changed the name to Naval District Potomac South or something like that

How far is that from Annapolis

1058 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:42:53am

re: #1050 Killgore Trout

Protesters are going to be prepared but they are lightly armed at best.

StopAhmadi tweeted a few hours ago that he thinks it'll be a 'Ghandi-like' protest.

I don't think these dissidents wil as yet aim for bloody street battles - but then, I would not discount the presence of state-run agents provocateurs.

1059 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:42:59am

Hello folks.

I want to take this opportunity to boast a little bit and to offer some thanks.

As some of you know, my daughter "m" has been struggling with serious health issues for the past year. She has been on the LGF prayer list, I am so very grateful for the community my fellow LGFers offer to all of us in need of some help and spiritual support.

Last night I attended a ceremony to commemorate the end of the school year at the residential treatment center where "m" has been been getting medical care and schooling. I am thrilled to tell you "m" not only passed all her courses, but was named to the Honor Roll! In addition, she received the "art" award for best work in her art class. I am as proud as any father can be!

I offer my heart felt thanks to my friends and fellow LGFers who have given me support and encouragement this past year, and especially to all those, including goddessoftheclassroom, who maintained the prayer list.

God bless you all.

1060 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:43:00am

re: #1002 yma o hyd
Hey there {yma} - yeah, they are waay to hot for me too! Hope you're doing well!

1061 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:43:13am

re: #1049 3 wood

Wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Of course, I'd assume the "opposition" of the time usually likes to do this, regardless of affiliation.

1062 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:43:15am

Southeast hasn't been much better, but we're pretty much into summer now and it's getting hot.

1063 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:43:23am

Talk about your comedy of errors.

I've had a TracFone for several years now and it has been a good little phone. I've dropped it from a tree stand, I've laid it on the shop floor and then absent-mindedly kicked it across the shop, I've even laid it on a table and had it get rained on. All with no problems.

But you run over that cheap son-of-a-buck one single time with the lawn mower and the rascal quits working.

I guess it has. None of the parts that I can find seem to work, anyway.

1064 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:43:39am

re: #1031 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really. If the IRS owes you, I was under the impression that they really don't care if you ever file.

I've done it several times (didn't say I wasn't a moron) just not in a hurry.

No they want you to file cause they don't take your word for it that you don't owe them.

1065 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:43:44am

re: #1057 Nevergiveup

60-75 minutes depending on traffic.

1066 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:43:48am

re: #1035 Killgore Trout

Good morning

1067 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:43:59am

re: #1056 Alouette

Good morning Lizardia! My son proposed to his girlfriend last night with candlelight and flowers. She gets the ring next week, when the whole family is assembled.

My oldest son is pissed, now that he is the only bachelor left in the family.

Congratulations to your son, his girlfriend - and all the family!

Tell your oldest son he better get a move on!

1068 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:44:16am

re: #1059 Kenneth

Hello folks.

I want to take this opportunity to boast a little bit and to offer some thanks.

As some of you know, my daughter "m" has been struggling with serious health issues for the past year. She has been on the LGF prayer list, I am so very grateful for the community my fellow LGFers offer to all of us in need of some help and spiritual support.

Last night I attended a ceremony to commemorate the end of the school year at the residential treatment center where "m" has been been getting medical care and schooling. I am thrilled to tell you "m" not only passed all her courses, but was named to the Honor Roll! In addition, she received the "art" award for best work in her art class. I am as proud as any father can be!

I offer my heart felt thanks to my friends and fellow LGFers who have given me support and encouragement this past year, and especially to all those, including goddessoftheclassroom, who maintained the prayer list.

God bless you all.

G-D bless you and your daughter.

1069 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:44:32am

re: #1048 Killian Bundy

If pretty much moved to short term trading.

/take what I can get, where I can get it, get in, get out, lots of small ball, but it adds up


Didn't 0 propose a per transaction tax on the market, if so how bad will that affect day trading.

1070 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:44:38am

re: #1059 Kenneth

Congratulations!

1071 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:44:42am

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

Obama has clung to his policy despite the radically changed circumstances and the opportunity they offer. Though his descriptions of the regime have hardened, he has refused to back the Iranian people's demands for freedom and democracy.

1072 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:44:52am

re: #1056 Alouette

Pissed? He should consider himself lucky! :)

1073 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:44:52am

re: #1059 Kenneth

Hello folks.

I want to take this opportunity to boast a little bit and to offer some thanks.

As some of you know, my daughter "m" has been struggling with serious health issues for the past year. She has been on the LGF prayer list, I am so very grateful for the community my fellow LGFers offer to all of us in need of some help and spiritual support.


Last night I attended a ceremony to commemorate the end of the school year at the residential treatment center where "m" has been been getting medical care and schooling. I am thrilled to tell you "m" not only passed all her courses, but was named to the Honor Roll! In addition, she received the "art" award for best work in her art class. I am as proud as any father can be!

I offer my heart felt thanks to my friends and fellow LGFers who have given me support and encouragement this past year, and especially to all those, including goddessoftheclassroom, who maintained the prayer list.

God bless you all.

Boast away! She has earned it!

1074 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:44:55am

re: #1025 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
and
re: #1030 soxfan4life
Thank you both but I'm really not qualified for either job.

1075 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:45:07am

re: #1059 Kenneth

{Kenneth} - and {m}!

Well done her!

1076 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:45:16am

re: #1068 Alouette

Thank you, and congratulations to you on your son's engagement!

1077 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:45:53am

re: #1059 Kenneth

Hello folks.

I want to take this opportunity to boast a little bit and to offer some thanks.

As some of you know, my daughter "m" has been struggling with serious health issues for the past year. She has been on the LGF prayer list, I am so very grateful for the community my fellow LGFers offer to all of us in need of some help and spiritual support.

Last night I attended a ceremony to commemorate the end of the school year at the residential treatment center where "m" has been been getting medical care and schooling. I am thrilled to tell you "m" not only passed all her courses, but was named to the Honor Roll! In addition, she received the "art" award for best work in her art class. I am as proud as any father can be!

I offer my heart felt thanks to my friends and fellow LGFers who have given me support and encouragement this past year, and especially to all those, including goddessoftheclassroom, who maintained the prayer list.

God bless you all.

So good for you and "M." Congrats.

1078 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:45:59am

re: #1060 realwest

Hey there {yma} - yeah, they are waay to hot for me too! Hope you're doing well!

We're fine, thanks!

And thank goodness I'm not the only one who dislikes really hot weather!

1079 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:46:02am

re: #1059 Kenneth

{Kenneth}
That is great news and a wonderful blessing. Thanks for sharing it with us.

1080 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:46:23am

re: #1036 3 wood
Mom and I are hanging in there. Just hope I can keep adding "in there" after that! LOL!
Glad to hear about your new gig and all, congrat's!

1081 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:46:40am

re: #1036 3 wood

Fine, got a music gig tonight, another tomorrow afternoon, and then we head out for a festival.

I have a bar gig Saturday and an outdoor concert gig Sunday. I hope it doesn't rain Sunday. We have a bunch of concert and festival gigs this summer.

1082 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:46:43am

re: #1074 realwest

and
re: #1030 soxfan4life
Thank you both but I'm really not qualified for either job.


Doesn't seem to stop the ones in there now.

1083 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:46:44am

Tiger Woods now +3 after 17.

Double bogey on #15.

1084 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:47:23am

Morning Honcos!

Rain in Seattle, after 29 dry days tied the record.

Looks like the Mad Mullahs are telling the Iranians to suck it.

Iran's supreme leader rules out election fraudReporting from Tehran -- Iran's supreme leader today ruled out massive fraud in elections last week and warned hundreds of thousands taking part in a series of peaceful protests against the reelection of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to get off the streets, blaming foreign leaders and media for exploiting differences within Iran's political scene in an attempt to destabilize the Islamic Republic.

Something tells me it ain't over.

1085 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:48:24am

re: #1081 Mad Al-Jaffee

We have a bunch of concert and festival gigs this summer.

This the festival season.

Hardest part for me is keeping wooden instruments tuned when you play outside in the eat and humidity.

1086 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:48:25am

re: #1080 realwest

realwest, did you see my #1017?

1087 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:48:59am

re: #1069 soxfan4life

Didn't 0 propose a per transaction tax on the market, if so how bad will that affect day trading.

It depends how big it is, although any tax sucks by definition.

/you're already paying commissions and/or fees on every trade, you just factor it in to your decisions

1088 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:02am

re: #1084 jcm

Send a little of that rain down here. It's dry as a bone.

1089 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:09am

re: #1059 Kenneth

It's not a boast if you and she can do it!

Congrats to all!

1090 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:14am

re: #1059 Kenneth

Congratulations on your daughter's determination to succeed. (:

1091 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:16am

re: #1026 rightside

Definitely. Underway for a month, pull into port, everything shut down. In our berthing, the overboard discharge piping for the fuel tanks seawater compensation system runs right through the middle of it. It was silent in berthing, I couldn't sleep.


My worse lack of noise was at home when we would come back from a deployment. I just could not sleep without some sort of noise in the bedroom. TV or radio or something. One other odd thing was in Japan we lived off base and had a railroad crossing near our house. Funny thing was when I was asleep it sure sounded like the General Quarters alarm. It used to have me leaping out of bed looking for my uniform.

1092 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:28am

re: #1059 Kenneth

I am thrilled to tell you "m" not only passed all her courses, but was named to the Honor Roll! In addition, she received the "art" award for best work in her art class. I am as proud as any father can be!


Good for her and you.

1093 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:39am

re: #1082 soxfan4life

Doesn't seem to stop the ones in there now.

It's the age of Ozero. Zero qualifications and less than zero common sense!

1094 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:41am

DoD deploying missile defense systems around Hawaii after the North Korean warnings of a missile launch towards Hawaii.

Gee, how is that possible when we've had Democrats complaining about how those missile defense systems don't work and aren't proven and should have their funding cut?

1095 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:45am

re: #1065 rightside

60-75 minutes depending on traffic.

I'll be at Annapolis in July for a week.

1096 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:49:51am

Muslims blame everybody but themselves...every single time...it is redundant and laughable...they slaughter themselves and blame it on others...where is moderate Islam?

1097 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:50:21am

re: #1084 jcm

Morning Honcos!

Rain in Seattle, after 29 dry days tied the record.

Looks like the Mad Mullahs are telling the Iranians to suck it.

www.latimes.com...] target="_blank">

Something tells me it ain't over.

Link fixed...

1098 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:50:28am

re: #1084 jcm

It is Friday after all... and the mullahs have had their say... the congregants will be having their response shortly...

1099 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:50:28am

re: #1029 realwest

Um, with all due respect KS - the government has already cut the care provided for by Medicare - all medicare recipients, regardless of their financial condition, must pay a LOT more money out of pocket this year already.
God only knows what will happen next year.


I was referring to the way they're trying to cut the cost of Obamacare. That will have the same effect.
Actually, since Kennedy wrote the bill, I should start calling it Teddycare. Sounds nice? Just think about how much Teddy cared about Mary Jo.

1100 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:50:29am

re: #1083 3 wood

Tiger Woods now +3 after 17.

Double bogey on #15.


He's going to be in Ben Roethlisberger territory soon. He just shot an 81 last week I think from the same tee boxes the pros use on the black cpourse.

1101 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:50:32am

re: #1091 JohnnyReb

lol! I still have dreams about the Navy.

1102 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:50:42am

re: #1038 mamacares
mamacares - would you please e-mail me (my nic is in blue) and tell me what you'd like me to say on The List?
I'm sorry to have to ask you, but that's one thing I don't want to mess up with for sure!

1103 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:51:02am

re: #1095 Nevergiveup

sweet. working?

1104 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:51:21am

re: #1094 lawhawk

DoD deploying missile defense systems around Hawaii after the North Korean warnings of a missile launch towards Hawaii.

Gee, how is that possible when we've had Democrats complaining about how those missile defense systems don't work and aren't proven and should have their funding cut?

Ya think maybe, just maybe, somebody should make an issue outa that?

1105 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:51:31am

re: #1050 Killgore Trout

Protesters are going to be prepared but they are lightly armed at best.

I know a couple of days ago people were linking protest tips and websites of how to prepare for certain tactics on Twitter. Think that will be happening in full force over the next couple of days.

1106 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:51:51am

re: #1059 Kenneth

That's wonderful; I'm so happy for you and "m". Congratulations!

1107 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:51:59am

re: #1066 pre-Boomer Marine brat

g'mornin'

1108 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:52:11am

re: #1085 3 wood

Our guitarists have that problem. Since I play the harmonica, the weather doesn't affect my instrument much, except maybe making the ones with wooden combs swell some.

1109 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:52:27am

re: #1094 lawhawk

DoD deploying missile defense systems around Hawaii after the North Korean warnings of a missile launch towards Hawaii.

Gee, how is that possible when we've had Democrats complaining about how those missile defense systems don't work and aren't proven and should have their funding cut?

YAL-1 is ready for operational testing. It should be sent over secretly.

First test should be a doozy... if we get really lucky the Taepo-dong would fall on Lil' Kim's reviewing stand.

1110 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:52:57am

re: #1084 jcm

Good Morning!

FYI, Winston06 put up a play-by-play of the sermon on his blog.
I linked to it in this thread's spinoffs.

1111 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:53:11am

re: #1103 rightside

sweet. working?

Active Duty at the Academy to help out with the Dental for the Plebe class. Work? Not sure I'd characterize it as that. It's gonna seem like a vacation to me.

1112 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:53:22am

re: #998 Killian Bundy

If it was just the economy, the markets would be soaring on the looming recovery.

/they're just absolutely spooked by Obama's crazy anti-capitalist policies and reckless record deficit spending, frightened to the core wondering what the hell he might do next

Agree. I think FEAR is keeping the market and the economy from recovery. Nobody wants to make any decisions because they don't know what is coming or they do know and they FEAR it.

1113 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:53:37am

re: #1109 jcm

YAL-1 is ready for operational testing. It should be sent over secretly.

First test should be a doozy... if we get really lucky the Taepo-dong would fall on Lil' Kim's reviewing stand.

I keep picturing the rapper Lil' Kim. She would probably like a "dong" to fall on her.

1114 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:53:42am

re: #1105 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately for many the technology utilized for twitter won't stop a round from an AK-47.

1115 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:53:49am

re: #1105 BlueCanuck

I know a couple of days ago people were linking protest tips and websites of how to prepare for certain tactics on Twitter. Think that will be happening in full force over the next couple of days.

I fervently hope they are safe and stay safe!

This just in on the Grauniad Live Blog:
'3.35pm:
Mohammed Reza Jalaeipour, 26, an Oxford University student who was a spokesman for Mousavi during the election, was arrested as he tried to leave Iran on Wednesday.'

1116 rightside  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:53:56am

re: #1111 Nevergiveup

Good for you. Fillings and fixes, nothing major?

1117 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:54:02am

re: #1111 Nevergiveup

Active Duty at the Academy to help out with the Dental for the Plebe class. Work? Not sure I'd characterize it as that. It's gonna seem like a vacation to me.

don't forget the Rams Head!

1118 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:54:27am

Uh, hey Y'all - as some of you are aware, LGFer ChristheProfessor lost his brother to cancer just a few short days ago.
If you have a mind too, please make any donations, no matter how small or large to:

Haven Hospice
311 NE 9th Street
Chiefland, FL 32626

Thank you all very much.

1119 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:54:59am

re: #1109 jcm

YAL-1 is ready for operational testing. It should be sent over secretly.

First test should be a doozy... if we get really lucky the Taepo-dong would fall on Lil' Kim's reviewing stand.

"Taepo-dong" - Someting you use when the strap breaks.

1120 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:55:24am

re: #1096 albusteve

Muslims blame everybody but themselves...every single time...it is redundant and laughable...they slaughter themselves and blame it on others...where is moderate Islam?

Look at the world in general. People, from business leaders to politicians, right down to the man/woman in the street, it has become fashionable to blame someone or something else on their personally caused problems, or their lack of a moral compass.

In the last ten years or so, I have actually found it to be detrimental to my career and personal life, at times, to be honest and own up to my mistakes and faults.

The whole concept of taken personal responsibility for ones life and actions has been turned on it's head. I have had employers and fellow workers tell me I am shooting myself in the foot for being too honest.

I'll never learn.

1121 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:55:24am

re: #1116 rightside

Good for you. Fillings and fixes, nothing major?

Mostly exams I think, but whatever they need.

1122 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:56:02am

re: #1110 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good Morning!

FYI, Winston06 put up a play-by-play of the sermon on his blog.
I linked to it in this thread's spinoffs.

Thanks - his blogging and tweeting ahs been excellent.

Unfortunately, he also thinks the situation could end up like Tiananmen Square ...

1123 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:56:19am

re: #1110 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good Morning!

FYI, Winston06 put up a play-by-play of the sermon on his blog.
I linked to it in this thread's spinoffs.

Thanks!re: #1110 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good Morning!

FYI, Winston06 put up a play-by-play of the sermon on his blog.
I linked to it in this thread's spinoffs.


5:16 am: He admits to several differences between himself and Rafsanjani. He just picked the side of Ahmadinejad against Rafsanjani. People shouting : "Death to anti Velayate Faghih people". 5:24 am ET: Khamenei says there was no vote rigging. He says there's no way 11 mln votes were stolen or faked. And now is calling for legal ways. He just said he won't budge to 'illegal pressure'. He announced he won't approve 'illegal challenges' either. This is an ultimatum to the protesters.

5:28 am: Khamenei is now threatening the political figures. Khamenei is now warning the opposition that they'll be responsible for violence and bloodshed if they go farther. 5:34 am ET: Now calling protesters 'terrorists'? Khamenei wants an END TO STREET RALLIES & threatened the protesters with more consequences.

In other words.

Fights On!

1124 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:56:37am

re: #1059 Kenneth

Kenneth,
Best wishes to your daughter. There is something I'd like to say privately, but I don't know how to make my nick blue.

1125 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:57:08am

re: #1117 albusteve

don't forget the Rams Head!

I'll drop by I am sure

1126 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:57:24am

re: #1119 VegasRick

"Taepo-dong" - Someting you use when the strap breaks.

We a guy calls his missile "dong," you know he's compensating.

1127 The Hoopster  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:57:26am

Good morning Lizards! Hope is everyone today?
.re: #1118 realwest

Uh, hey Y'all - as some of you are aware, LGFer ChristheProfessor lost his brother to cancer just a few short days ago.
If you have a mind too, please make any donations, no matter how small or large to:

Haven Hospice
311 NE 9th Street
Chiefland, FL 32626

Thank you all very much.

Thank you Realwest..I'm sorry for ChrisHe is a good guy

1128 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:57:27am

re: #1120 Walter L. Newton

It's the shitbirds, I'm telling you. ;)

I document my professional mistakes in black and white, although sometimes there are color photos.

1129 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:57:33am

re: #1123 jcm

Velayate Faghih?

/wat

1130 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:57:42am

re: #1114 soxfan4life

Unfortunately for many the technology utilized for twitter won't stop a round from an AK-47.

Ummm, I wasn't taking about tech tips. More like protest tips. I bet a bunch of our leftist protestors have some real doozies to pass on. For once, I am all for what they can teach.

1131 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:57:49am

re: #1126 jcm

We a guy calls his missile "dong," you know he's compensating.

Dong, where is my auto-mobile?

1132 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:58:04am

re: #1108 Mad Al-Jaffee

Our guitarists have that problem. Since I play the harmonica, the weather doesn't affect my instrument much, except maybe making the ones with wooden combs swell some.

You don't use plastic combs, do you? I hate plastic combs, maybe not so much for the sound (some people say they are better) but I have never been able to get us to the feel on my lips and tongue. Same for the metal combs.

I know, this topic has been beaten to death for years.

1133 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:58:05am

BBIAM!

1134 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:58:10am

re: #1117 albusteve

don't forget the Rams Head!

Great place for live music. The last time I was at the Annapolis one, I saw Tony Joe White. The last time I was at the Baltimore one, I saw George Clinton & the P-Funk Allstars.

1135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:58:12am

re: #1122 yma o hyd

Thanks - his blogging and tweeting ahs been excellent.

Unfortunately, he also thinks the situation could end up like Tiananmen Square ...

It could easily.
However, this genie won't be crammed back into the bottle.
The situation in Iran is very different from China.

/but it may well take a while

1136 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:59:12am

re: #1123 jcm

You'd already seen it! Good!

1137 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:59:35am

re: #1128 OldLineTexan

It's the shitbirds, I'm telling you. ;)

I document my professional mistakes in black and white, although sometimes there are color photos.

27 8 by 10 color glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one?

1138 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:59:37am

re: #1118 realwest

Uh, hey Y'all - as some of you are aware, LGFer ChristheProfessor lost his brother to cancer just a few short days ago.
If you have a mind too, please make any donations, no matter how small or large to:

Haven Hospice
311 NE 9th Street
Chiefland, FL 32626

Thank you all very much.

Thanks for the heads up, {real}. I'm going to make a donation now. Wish I knew the brother's name so I could do it in his memory. Somehow, I don't think if I put Christheprofessor'sbrother they'll know who I'm memorializing!

1139 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:59:41am

re: #1126 jcm

We a guy calls his missile "dong," you know he's compensating.

The guy is what, 3 feet tall? I think his nickname "shorty" has a deeper meaning.

1140 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:00:00am

re: #1127 HoosierHoops

Hiya, {HH}!

Its cold and windy here - and I bet that despite the weather forecast it will rain on June 21st.
It always does.
Someone doesn't like seeing all those fake druids and real hippies assembling at Stonehenge on that day, teeheehee!

1141 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:00:06am

re: #1132 Walter L. Newton

I prefer stock, standard Hohner Marine Bands, and most of the harps are play have wood combs. Occasionally I'll play one with a plastic or metal comb (I only have one of those - a Suzuki), but they're usually backups in case my main gig harps go out of tune or something else goes wrong with them.

1142 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:00:07am

re: #1129 laZardo

Velayate Faghih?

/wat

Marg Bar Velayate Faghih!

1143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:00:26am

re: #1126 jcm

We a guy calls his missile "dong," you know he's compensating.

Up-dong!

1144 The Hoopster  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:00:26am

re: #1138 redstateredneck

Thanks for the heads up, {real}. I'm going to make a donation now. Wish I knew the brother's name so I could do it in his memory. Somehow, I don't think if I put Christheprofessor'sbrother they'll know who I'm memorializing!

email Realwest first and more details.
Thanks

1145 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:00:59am

re: #1137 Kosh's Shadow

6 megapixel with commentary imbedded in the .jpeg file in yellow. ;)

Hey, did you see my Father's Day avatar? Mitchell the boy human and Flapjack the toy poodle.

1146 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:01:10am

re: #1120 Walter L. Newton

agreed...I've quit more than one job because the men I worked for where lying to customers and expected me to do the same...talk about a legit reason to go ballistic...and I did

1147 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:01:24am

re: #1139 VegasRick

The guy is what, 3 feet tall? I think his nickname "shorty" has a deeper meaning.

Everything from his neck down is prick, however.

1148 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:01:50am

re: #1134 Mad Al-Jaffee

Great place for live music. The last time I was at the Annapolis one, I saw Tony Joe White. The last time I was at the Baltimore one, I saw George Clinton & the P-Funk Allstars.

Poke...salad Annie

1149 turn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:02:00am

Good morning lizards. Kenneth, congratulations on you daughter - I hope she gets well soon. Real, sorry to hear about chris's brother. I didn't know the professor all that well but I can only imagine what that must be like. Hey real, hang in there.

1150 doppelganglander  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:02:11am

re: #1059 Kenneth

That's wonderful news. Best wishes for your daughter's continuing recovery.

1151 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:02:16am

re: #1145 OldLineTexan

6 megapixel with commentary imbedded in the .jpeg file in yellow. ;)

Hey, did you see my Father's Day avatar? Mitchell the boy human and Flapjack the toy poodle.

Awww - now that is really sweet!
(Both the av and your post!)

1152 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:02:21am

re: #1137 Kosh's Shadow

27 8 by 10 color glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one?

Unfortunately for the sherriff, justice was truly blind. ;)

1153 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:02:38am

re: #1094 lawhawk

DoD deploying missile defense systems around Hawaii after the North Korean warnings of a missile launch towards Hawaii.

Gee, how is that possible when we've had Democrats complaining about how those missile defense systems don't work and aren't proven and should have their funding cut?

It is a win-win for the administration. If the missle defense system works then Obama has bravely protected the country.

If the missle defense system does not work, then Obama is vindicated in his refusal to invest in untried, untested new defense systems.

Either way, Obama is right.

1154 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:02:44am

re: #1059 Kenneth
Hi Kenneth - Mazel Tov! That's just wonderful news, y'all go ahead and boast all you want.
And I'll add that I can't conceive of a better father for "m" than you!

1155 The Hoopster  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:03:00am

re: #1140 yma o hyd

Hiya, {HH}!

Its cold and windy here - and I bet that despite the weather forecast it will rain on June 21st.
It always does.
Someone doesn't like seeing all those fake druids and real hippies assembling at Stonehenge on that day, teeheehee!

{YMA} Nice day here..Going to the Bar for lunch today then drive the boat around and work on my lame ass tan...It takes work you know!
Hope today finds you well and happy

1156 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:03:08am

Mafia blamed for $134bn fake Treasury bills

Few details have been revealed beyond a June 4 statement by the Italian finance police announcing the seizure of 249 US Treasury bills, each of $500m, and 10 “Kennedy” bonds, used as intergovernment payments, of $1bn each. The men were apparently tailed by the Italian authorities.

The mystery deepened on Thursday as an Italian blog quoted Colonel Rodolfo Mecarelli of the Como provincial finance police as saying the two men had been released. The colonel and police headquarters in Rome both declined to respond to questions from the Financial Times.

“They are all fraudulent, it’s obvious. We don’t even have paper securities outstanding for that value,’’ said Mckayla Braden, senior adviser for public affairs at the Bureau of Public Debt at the US Treasury department. “This type of scam has been going on for years.’’

/really stupid, yet ambitious, criminals

1157 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:03:20am

re: #1143 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Up-dong!

That's what she said.

/ok, so I wasn't done with my prepubescent humor.

1158 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:03:23am

re: #1124 VioletTiger

my nic is blue. please feel free to send me an email

1159 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:03:24am

re: #1130 BlueCanuck

Ummm, I wasn't taking about tech tips. More like protest tips. I bet a bunch of our leftist protestors have some real doozies to pass on. For once, I am all for what they can teach.

yeah...cool paper mache ideas

1160 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:04:02am

re: #1153 razorbacker

It is a win-win for the administration. If the missle defense system works then Obama has bravely protected the country.

If the missle defense system does not work, then Obama is vindicated in his refusal to invest in untried, untested new defense systems.

Either way, Obama is right.

But if it does work, how does he justify cut backs and no further deployments.

1161 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:04:23am

re: #1154 realwest

I'll tell you there were hugs and tears of joy last night! "m" was beaming herself, so proud of what she has accomplished.

1162 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:04:23am

re: #1059 Kenneth

Hello folks.

I want to take this opportunity to boast a little bit and to offer some thanks.

As some of you know, my daughter "m" has been struggling with serious health issues for the past year. She has been on the LGF prayer list, I am so very grateful for the community my fellow LGFers offer to all of us in need of some help and spiritual support.

Last night I attended a ceremony to commemorate the end of the school year at the residential treatment center where "m" has been been getting medical care and schooling. I am thrilled to tell you "m" not only passed all her courses, but was named to the Honor Roll! In addition, she received the "art" award for best work in her art class. I am as proud as any father can be!

I offer my heart felt thanks to my friends and fellow LGFers who have given me support and encouragement this past year, and especially to all those, including goddessoftheclassroom, who maintained the prayer list.

God bless you all.

Prayer is powerful thing. So is a parent's love.

1163 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:04:25am

re: #1127 HoosierHoops
Hi Hoops - thank you - CtP is indeed a great guy and I feel for his loss and thank you for your kind words.

1164 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:04:58am

re: #1156 Killian Bundy

Mafia blamed for $134bn fake Treasury bills

/really stupid, yet ambitious, criminals

One of the carabinieri probably got his beak wet for them to get released like that.

1165 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:05:05am

re: #1153 razorbacker

It is a win-win for the administration. If the missle defense system works then Obama has bravely protected the country.

If the missle defense system does not work, then Obama is vindicated in his refusal to invest in untried, untested new defense systems.

Either way, Obama is right.

A) it will never be used, this is just a show. Dems are good at shows-see the ABC Health show coming soon to a TV near you.
B) If we don't pour enough money into it for continued research and development, it will never work properly.
C) Gates sucks

1166 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:05:17am

re: #1145 OldLineTexan

6 megapixel with commentary imbedded in the .jpeg file in yellow. ;)

Hey, did you see my Father's Day avatar? Mitchell the boy human and Flapjack the toy poodle.

They're cute
Is that an apricot poodle? Is he crazy? Ours is, and our groomer says all apricot poodles are crazy.

1167 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:05:29am

re: #1159 albusteve

yeah...cool paper mache ideas

Actually, the pro demonstrators have developed several chemical weapon strategies that are at least partially effective against tear gas and other more common riot responses.

It is a fact that you can only beat or shoot so many people per cop/soldier.

1168 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:05:31am

re: #1157 MrSilverDragon

That's what she said.

/ok, so I wasn't done with my prepubescent humor.

And we have your addled-lescence to look forward to!

:D

1169 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:05:44am

re: #1138 redstateredneck
Hey {red} - e-mail me please.

1170 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:06:09am

re: #1155 HoosierHoops

{YMA} Nice day here..Going to the Bar for lunch today then drive the boat around and work on my lame ass tan...It takes work you know!
Hope today finds you well and happy

Work on your lame ass tan? Haven't you heard of fake tan?

But anyway - do use lots of suntan lotion!
What does Winston now think of the holidays? Is he still unhappy?

1171 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:06:10am

re: #1141 Mad Al-Jaffee

I prefer stock, standard Hohner Marine Bands, and most of the harps are play have wood combs. Occasionally I'll play one with a plastic or metal comb (I only have one of those - a Suzuki), but they're usually backups in case my main gig harps go out of tune or something else goes wrong with them.

Just wondering. I certainly like the construction of the Suzuki metal pro, it's solid, but I will agree, all in all, I like wood.

Then again, I have about 40 harps, including orchestra harps (bass, chord and and some misc. oddities), so, I have harps made of all sorts of materials.

There is still noting more beautiful than my Hohner Chromatic, it's a piece of art in itself.

1172 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:06:14am

re: #1161 Kenneth

I'll tell you there were hugs and tears of joy last night! "m" was beaming herself, so proud of what she has accomplished.

life is good!

1173 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:06:23am

An Iranian, unafraid (and suddenly religious!) From a reader in Iran:


despite the "leaders" words today I and I'm sure many others will be going out tomorrow...I never took much heed in what he had to say in the past and still don't. there are many in my family who fear for my safety when I go out as I'm only here for 9 more days. my answer for them is that it is my responsibility to march against an unjust regime...hell as a staunch atheist I find myself shouting Allah Akbar in the streets.


Heh.

1174 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:06:52am

re: #1166 Kosh's Shadow

They're cute
Is that an apricot poodle? Is he crazy? Ours is, and our groomer says all apricot poodles are crazy.

He's a cream apricot, and he has some weird habits/personality traits. The apricot and white mini parti poodle (Butterbean, not pictured) is crazy.

1175 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:07:07am

re: #1148 albusteve

Poke...salad Annie


Youtube Video
1176 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:07:39am

re: #1161 Kenneth

I'll tell you there were hugs and tears of joy last night! "m" was beaming herself, so proud of what she has accomplished.

Kenneth,

From one to another ... you are not a "father", you are a Daddy.

*salute* to you
*SALUTE* to "m"

1177 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:07:54am

re: #1156 Killian Bundy

Mafia blamed for $134bn fake Treasury bills

/really stupid, yet ambitious, criminals

They should have stuck sending emails
"I have 1.5 billion in Treasury bills that I need to get into the US. If you help, I will give you 10%..."
Contact Con R. Tist, Nigeria.

1178 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:08:04am

So CNN International is saying Congress is drafting a resolution in support of the Iranian people. Hmm...

1179 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:08:07am

re: #1160 jcm

But if it does work, how does he justify cut backs and no further deployments.

Because it is patently unfair for one country to so dominate the globe's martial affairs.

Equality of results is just as important as equality of opportunity.

Not been paying attention?
*it's a joke son, I say that's a joke. I been paying attention to you paying attention.*

1180 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:08:09am

re: #1149 turn
Good morning turn! CtP is one of the very finest kind of guys out here - even though he hasn't posted much recently for a whole host of reasons.
And as I said above, mom and I are hanging in there as best we can.
Thanks.

1181 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:08:13am

re: #1173 Killgore Trout

"There are no atheists in foxholes" is an old saw, but probably at least partly true.

1182 turn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:08:30am

re: #1178 laZardo

So CNN International is saying Congress is drafting a resolution in support of the Iranian people. Hmm...

Really, that is good news.

1183 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:08:37am

re: #1167 OldLineTexan

Actually, the pro demonstrators have developed several chemical weapon strategies that are at least partially effective against tear gas and other more common riot responses.

It is a fact that you can only beat or shoot so many people per cop/soldier.

And numbers of security forces will switch sides, individually and some by unit. Pro-revolutions groups will slowly acquire weapons and up grade.

1184 The Hoopster  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:08:40am

re: #1170 yma o hyd

Work on your lame ass tan? Haven't you heard of fake tan?

But anyway - do use lots of suntan lotion!
What does Winston now think of the holidays? Is he still unhappy?

He is starting to get used to the Cabin.. In the morning his attitude will change when we throw him back on the plane in his doggie carrier.
He won't be very happy...HAHA

1185 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:09:18am

re: #1175 MandyManners

swamp music

1186 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:09:42am

re: #1160 jcm

With great power comes great...maintenance costs.

/ 0:

1187 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:09:51am

re: #1179 razorbacker

Because it is patently unfair for one country to so dominate the globe's martial affairs.

Equality of results is just as important as equality of opportunity.

Not been paying attention?
*it's a joke son, I say that's a joke. I been paying attention to you paying attention.*

ROFL!

1188 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:10:02am

re: #1171 Walter L. Newton

I don't have any bass or chord harps, but I have some tremelo and echos. I rarely play them.

My favorite chromatic is made of plastic - the Hohner CX12. I don't play much chromatic, but that's the one I use with this band for some of the parts I play with the horn section.

That Suzuki is very solid, but I also prefer the feel of a wooden comb.

1189 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:10:37am

re: #1173 Killgore Trout

An Iranian, unafraid (and suddenly religious!) From a reader in Iran:

Heh.

Heh!

This 'un ain't goin' away.

1190 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:10:44am

re: #1161 Kenneth
I can imagine my friend - just wish I coulda been there with y'all to celebrate.

1191 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:11:05am

re: #1181 OldLineTexan

"There are no atheists in foxholes" is an old saw, but probably at least partly true.

I also had someone tell me that all helicopter pilots get very religious, with all that machinery moving around keeping gravity at bay. (He might have been talking just about military pilots, though.)

1192 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:11:11am

re: #1186 laZardo

With great power comes great...maintenance costs.

/ 0:

We need to invent a computer system that can maintain itself...
We can call it Skynet!

1193 turn  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:11:12am

re: #1180 realwest

re: #1149 turn
Good morning turn! CtP is one of the very finest kind of guys out here - even though he hasn't posted much recently for a whole host of reasons.
And as I said above, mom and I are hanging in there as best we can.
Thanks.

Hey, only my friends call me turn. Thanks! drat work! Much later ...

1194 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:11:12am

re: #1148 albusteve

Poke...salad Annie

The first time I heard that song (a cover, without the spoken intro) I thought it was "Pork Salad."

1195 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:11:18am

re: #1181 OldLineTexan

"There are no atheists in foxholes" is an old saw, but probably at least partly true.

Foxes aren't religious?

1196 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:11:30am

re: #1162 MandyManners
AMEN and you are SO RIGHT! Good morning Mandy!

1197 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:12:01am

re: #1178 laZardo

So CNN International is saying Congress is drafting a resolution in support of the Iranian people. Hmm...

... and in other news ... the President is still working at his waffle

1198 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:12:05am

re: #1191 Kosh's Shadow

I also had someone tell me that all helicopter pilots get very religious, with all that machinery moving around keeping gravity at bay. (He might have been talking just about military pilots, though.)

Helicopters aerodynamically cannot fly, they just vibrate so much gravity rejects them.

1199 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:12:14am

re: #1191 Kosh's Shadow

I also had someone tell me that all helicopter pilots get very religious, with all that machinery moving around keeping gravity at bay. (He might have been talking just about military pilots, though.)

I know more than one helicopter designer that will not get in one if it can be avoided.

Gotta go for now. Later, lizards.

1200 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:12:36am

Why Obama’s big economic gamble is failing

Okay, here’s the thing: Obama took a tremendous economic and political gamble last January. The new president had the option of putting forward a stimulus plan that would attempt to reverse or significantly dampen America’s terrible economic downturn ASAP. The quickest and most effective approach would have been a big cut in payroll taxes. For $800 billion, combined Social Security and Medicare taxes could have been slashed by 6 percentage points, or 40 percent. That would have put $1,500 in worker paychecks and, according to one credible study, increased employment by 4 million jobs in 2009.

Democrats cut taxes? Bwaahaaahaaahaaahaaa.
Never. Gonna. Happen.

Sure, the democrats will use language to manipulate the masses and say they are cutting taxes "for 95%". But actual, real, effective economy stimulating tax cuts will never happen in any meaningful way.
Never.

1201 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:12:56am

re: #1195 debutaunt

Foxes aren't religious?

Megan Fox makes lots of guys say things like "Goddamn!" "Holy Shit" and "Jesus Christ!"

1202 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:13:11am

re: #1192 jcm

Too corporate. How about just AM?

/must scream, but mouth is full

1203 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:13:17am

How soon before FCBBHO or his minions find a way to tie in the North Korean/Iranian crises to health insurance?

1204 MikeAlv77  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:13:20am

re: #937 quickjustice

I was hopeful about Iran, but not optimistic. The Iranian demonstrators now will be suppressed, and it will be bloody. That's not the worst.

The worst is that President Obama and Hillary will approach Ahmadinejad shortly to cut a deal that gives them nuclear weapons subject to U.N. "inspections", and sets off a nuclear arms race in the region with the Arabs. Millions will die in a nuclear exchange in the Persian Gulf, including the wretched Iranians. The question is whether Israel also will be targeted.

There is no question. Isreal will be targeted just because they are Jews. Even if Iran and Saudi go at each other, they would launch at Isreal just because. The hatred for them is just too strong. Then Isreal will launch and then the whole thing gets nutty...

1205 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:13:43am

re: #1178 laZardo

So CNN International is saying Congress is drafting a resolution in support of the Iranian people. Hmm...

In support of them doing what?

1206 dingleB  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:14:13am

re: #1118 realwestPlease accept and extend my sympathies to Chris. My wife and I hold Haven Hospice in very high regard. The level and quality of palliative care that they provide is simply amazing.

1207 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:14:24am

re: #1183 jcm

And numbers of security forces will switch sides, individually and some by unit. Pro-revolutions groups will slowly acquire weapons and up grade.

(doddering old fud doing his stuck-record imitation)

Killian Barracks, Budapest

1208 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:14:26am

re: #1194 Mad Al-Jaffee

The first time I heard that song (a cover, without the spoken intro) I thought it was "Pork Salad."

that's the Donks cover you heard

1209 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:14:27am

re: #1184 HoosierHoops

He is starting to get used to the Cabin.. In the morning his attitude will change when we throw him back on the plane in his doggie carrier.
He won't be very happy...HAHA

Tell him we feel for him!
Do stick some toys and some biscuits in that carrier with him - as consolation.

When we first had Big Dog, we went to ireland, on the ferry - four hours! Dogs ahd to stay in the cars on the car deck - people were not allowed.
We only had him for about eight weeks - so not knowing how he'd react, we asked the vet for a tranquiliser. Poor dog was fine during the journey - but when we took him out, for leg-stretching and the usual business, after we'd disbarked - that poor dog was still so woozy, he stagegred all over the place!

We never ever gave him any tranquilisers, ever again!

1210 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:14:47am

re: #1205 Nevergiveup

General things. "In support of democracy" and all that.

Also right now on that channel, the Kang Nam. Am very suspicious that the North Koreans won't rely on rockets to deliver their cargo.

1211 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:14:56am

re: #1177 Kosh's Shadow

They should have stuck sending emails
"I have 1.5 billion in Treasury bills that I need to get into the US. If you help, I will give you 10%..."
Contact Con R. Tist, Nigeria.

/anyone with enough money to buy a $500 million bond wouldn't be dumb and unsophisticated enough to fall for a counterfeit

1212 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:15:01am

re: #1185 albusteve

swamp music

Makes an alligator seem tame.

1213 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:15:23am

re: #1183 jcm
Good morning jcm! Hope you're doing well. And there ARE other ways in which the Iranian people can acquire arms - take 'em away from the troops, cops.
It's hard, but some of 'em are gonna die anyway, I'm said to say, might as well be in an attempt to defend themselves and their own kind.

1214 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:15:31am

re: #1196 realwest

AMEN and you are SO RIGHT! Good morning Mandy!

How are you today?

1215 The Hoopster  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:16:02am

I have a complaint...If we are going to go all socialist here how come Congress can't regulate Hollywood?
Why can't there be a law about Sports Movies? It should be the law that Love stories cannot be in a sports movie..Like for the love of the game why is it all the flashbacks go back to this love interest in the middle of pitching a no hitter? And Rocky? I wanted to stuff Adriann in the truck of a car the whole movie..
And the only time you should want to cry is like Brian's Song at the End...
or we are Marshall..
Anything else should be illegal...
I'm writing my Congressman
/

1216 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:16:15am

Whoa, local (i.e. in Manila) protests in support of Aung San Suu Kyi.

/and I had college to go to. ):

1217 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:16:24am

re: #1177 Kosh's Shadow

They should have stuck sending emails
"I have 1.5 billion in Treasury bills that I need to get into the US. If you help, I will give you 10%..."
Contact Con R. Tist, Nigeria.

I am not buying for a minute this was a case of counterfeiting. Lets just think about that. Two guys heading to Switzerland are caught with US 134 BILLION in paper treasury notes. One can assume that any bank in Switzerland that could in fact cash an amount of that size would be able to spot fakes from 18 miles away. Said two guys are released with a day or so with no media coverage and no charges. Then a few days after these two guys "disappear" some hack from the Fed turns up and says they were fake notes?

People we have reached ludicrous speed.

1218 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:16:40am

re: #1184 HoosierHoops

He is starting to get used to the Cabin.. In the morning his attitude will change when we throw him back on the plane in his doggie carrier.
He won't be very happy...HAHA

Hoops! How's the vacation going? I'm out for 5 days myself, kind of a use it or lose thing.

1219 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:16:41am

re: #1205 Nevergiveup

In support of them doing what?

They are going to bail them out...Obama will become part owner of Iran and then give them all FREE healthcare...but, unfortunately, they will still hate us.

1220 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:16:46am

re: #1184 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - when did the rain stop for you and your vacation in the woods?!?

1221 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:17:24am

re: #1201 Mad Al-Jaffee

*whack*

Such fucking language!

1222 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:17:28am

re: #1200 FrogMarch

Why Obama’s big economic gamble is failing


Democrats cut taxes? Bwaahaaahaaahaaahaaa.
Never. Gonna. Happen.

Sure, the democrats will use language to manipulate the masses and say they are cutting taxes "for 95%". But actual, real, effective economy stimulating tax cuts will never happen in any meaningful way.
Never.


I thought tax cuts were the reason we were in this mess.After all once 0 lets President Bush's tax cuts expire he will raise everyone's taxes and save the world, right.///

1223 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:18:27am

re: #1208 albusteve

that's the Donks cover you heard

No, if I can remember right, it was at a blues jam and some local singer/guitarist was singing it. I may have even been playing with him.

1224 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:18:34am

re: #1210 laZardo

General things. "In support of democracy" and all that.

Also right now on that channel, the Kang Nam. Am very suspicious that the North Koreans won't rely on rockets to deliver their cargo.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I just think "we" should keep our mouths shut and watch. Nobody knows what's going on. Nobody knows who they are supporting. Nobody knows what the ramifications might be. Nobody knows what or who "the opposition" are or what they stand for? It might feel good to talk about "democracy" and "elections", but it might not be the wisest course to pursue.

1225 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:18:57am

TAILGATER ~

A man was being tailgated by a stressed- out woman on a busy boulevard. Suddenly, the light turned yellow just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, even though he could have beaten the red light by accelerating through the intersection.

The tailgating woman was furious and honked her horn, screaming in frustration, as she missed her chance to get through the intersection, dropping her cell phone and makeup.

As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her hands up.

He took her to the police station where she was searched, fingerprinted, photographed, and placed in a holding cell. After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects.

He said, I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you, and cussing a blue streak at him.' I noticed the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker,the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'Follow Me to Sunday-School ' bumper sticker,and the chrome-plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk.
Naturally...I assumed you had stolen the car.

1226 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:19:01am

re: #1202 laZardo

Too corporate. How about just AM?

/must scream, but mouth is full

Excellent suggestion!

1227 3 wood  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:19:30am

Tiger finished the first round at 4 over, five strokes behind the pace, tied for 71st place.

1228 The Hoopster  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:19:56am

re: #1218 VegasRick

Hoops! How's the vacation going? I'm out for 5 days myself, kind of a use it or lose thing.

How do you go on Vacation living in Vegas? You are there year round...:)
lucky I never got into gambling...I'd be broke

1229 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:20:15am

re: #1201 Mad Al-Jaffee

Megan Fox makes lots of guys say things like "Goddamn!" "Holy Shit" and "Jesus Christ!"

Israeli tourism commercial (Why it's called the Holy Land)

Youtube Video
1230 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:20:30am

re: #1225 VioletTiger

Oh priceless!

1231 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:20:43am

re: #1226 jcm

Then again, a supercomputer that makes war all the time would be very Republican. q; How about AC?

/and there was light-

1232 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:00am

re: #1204 MikeAlv77

There is no question. Isreal will be targeted just because they are Jews. Even if Iran and Saudi go at each other, they would launch at Isreal just because. The hatred for them is just too strong. Then Isreal will launch and then the whole thing gets nutty...


Cripes I sure hope you're wrong. Sadly, however, I have to agree with you.
Wondering if Israel has enough nukes to do both of them and whether Israel would launch a pre-emptive strike.

1233 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:01am

I'd better get back to to it.

Some sorry sumbeech has been strewing tools, dead machinery, unfinished projects, and general clutter all over my shop to the extent that I can not open the door without an avalanche of krep falling out.

I catch that bassard and it'll go hard for him, just you wait.

1234 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:18am

re: #1227 3 wood

Tiger finished the first round at 4 over, five strokes behind the pace, tied for 71st place.

Will the second round start today?

1235 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:37am

re: #1207 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(doddering old fud doing his stuck-record imitation)

Killian Barracks, Budapest

yeppers.

Wait for a couple armories or tank laagers to be over run.

1236 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:50am

re: #1227 3 wood

Tiger finished the first round at 4 over, five strokes behind the pace, tied for 71st place.

1237 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:51am

re: #1181 OldLineTexan

"There are no atheists in foxholes" is an old saw, but probably at least partly true.

I thought the same thing.

1238 The Hoopster  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:53am

re: #1220 realwest

Hey Hoops - when did the rain stop for you and your vacation in the woods?!?

Nice day today It's the last day here..Going to be bar in about an hour for lunch then driving the boat afterwords..

1239 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:54am

re: #1227 3 wood

Tiger finished the first round at 4 over, five strokes behind the pace, tied for 71st place.


Is he going to play another round today? I think they have to have 2 rounds complete to make the cut right?

1240 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:21:56am

re: #1206 dingleB
I certainly will do that. And that is what CtP has reported about that hospice as well.

1241 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:22:12am

re: #1229 Alouette

I won't be able to watch that until I get home (UTube blocked here.)

But I have a feeling it features something I love - hot Israeli chicks.

1242 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:22:16am

re: #1233 razorbacker

I'd better get back to to it.

Some sorry sumbeech has been strewing tools, dead machinery, unfinished projects, and general clutter all over my shop to the extent that I can not open the door without an avalanche of krep falling out.

I catch that bassard and it'll go hard for him, just you wait.

Give him what-for! Don't pull any punches! Sock it to him!

1243 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:22:42am

re: #1223 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, if I can remember right, it was at a blues jam and some local singer/guitarist was singing it. I may have even been playing with him.

I heard a cover of it somewhere done by a big smash mouth hill billy band...up tempo with horns etc...never cared much for Tony Joe...

1244 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:22:51am

re: #1214 MandyManners
I'm doing ok, thanks! Sure hope you and the "kiddo" are too!

1245 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:22:55am

re: #1204 MikeAlv77

There is no question. Isreal will be targeted just because they are Jews. Even if Iran and Saudi go at each other, they would launch at Isreal just because. The hatred for them is just too strong. Then Isreal will launch and then the whole thing gets nutty...

G-d protects Israel.
I still see the missiles launched at Israel going off course.
There is a section in Prophets that sounds like the aftermath if a nuclear missile hit armies preparing to invade Israel.

1246 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:23:25am

re: #1173 Killgore Trout

An Iranian, unafraid (and suddenly religious!) From a reader in Iran:


Heh.

There were are currently no atheists in Iran.

/damn juggling tenses

1247 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:23:33am

Yet another UN scandal?

$196 billion spent by UN on health care programs worldwide - the outcome? Decidedly mixed, and some aspects may actually be counterproductive.

Millions of people are now protected against diseases like yellow fever, sleeping under anti-malaria bed nets and taking AIDS drugs. Much beyond that, it's tough to gauge the effectiveness of pricey programs led by the United Nations and its partners, and in some cases, big spending may even be counterproductive, the studies say.

Trying to show health campaigns actually saved lives is "a very difficult scientific dilemma," said Tim Evans, a senior World Health Organization official who worked on one of the papers.

In one paper, WHO researchers examined the impact of various global health initiatives during the last 20 years.

They found some benefits, like increased diagnosis of tuberculosis cases and higher vaccination rates. But they also concluded some U.N. programs hurt health care in Africa by disrupting basic services and leading some countries to slash their health spending.

In another paper, Chris Murray of the University of Washington and colleagues tracked how much has been spent in public health in the last two decades - the figure jumped from $5.6 billion in 1990 to $21.8 billion in 2007 - and where it's gone. Much of that money is from taxpayers in the West. The U.S. was the biggest donor, contributing more than $10 billion in 2007.

They found some countries don't get more donations even if they're in worse shape. Ethiopia and Uganda both receive more money than Nigeria, Pakistan or Bangladesh, all of whom have bigger health crises.

Some experts were surprised how long it took simply to consider if the world's health investment paid off.

Richard Horton, the Lancet's editor, labeled it "scandalous" and "reckless" health officials haven't carefully measured how they used the world's money.

Experts said that in some cases, the U.N. was propping up dysfunctional health systems. "If you've got rotten governments, no amount of development aid is going to fix that," said Elizabeth Pisani, an AIDS expert who once worked for the U.N., citing Zimbabwe as a prime example.

More money spent isn't necessarily better - and if you've got corrupt regimes, the money goes up in a puff of smoke. Priorities are also skewed...

1248 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:23:53am

re: #1217 JohnnyReb

Two guys heading to Switzerland are caught with US 134 BILLION in paper treasury notes.

There's only three countries (besides the U.S.) that even have that quantity of U.S. bonds. Now, what would be the point of "sneaking" them into Switzerland? Would the get a better price, what? Who would have enough money to buy them?

/see, these conspiracy theories fall apart if you actually take the time to think them through

1249 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:24:21am

re: #1228 HoosierHoops

How do you go on Vacation living in Vegas? You are there year round...:)
lucky I never got into gambling...I'd be broke

I bet a game now and then but that's about it. I know a lot about slots so that is a no go.

1250 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:24:29am

re: #1242 yma o hyd

Give him what-for! Don't pull any punches! Sock it to him!

I been looking for him. I thought that I'd caught a glimpse of him this morning while I was shaving, but naw, that cain't be him. That feller looks so harmless and lovable that I just can't stay mad at him, anyways.

1251 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:24:43am

re: #1217 JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb - I like the way you think, but if they weren't counterfeit, where the hell did they get that much money in those Treasury securities?!

1252 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:25:04am

re: #1120 Walter L. Newton

Look at the world in general. People, from business leaders to politicians, right down to the man/woman in the street, it has become fashionable to blame someone or something else on their personally caused problems, or their lack of a moral compass.

In the last ten years or so, I have actually found it to be detrimental to my career and personal life, at times, to be honest and own up to my mistakes and faults.

The whole concept of taken personal responsibility for ones life and actions has been turned on it's head. I have had employers and fellow workers tell me I am shooting myself in the foot for being too honest.

I'll never learn.

I'm sure you know this:
A reputation for honesty is invaluable.
But employers generally value employee loyalty just as much or more, and many may therefore feel threatened by a display of a "holier than thou" attitude.
IMO.

1253 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:25:08am

re: #1227 3 wood

Tiger finished the first round at 4 over, five strokes behind the pace, tied for 71st place.

What's the cut?

1254 sngnsgt  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:25:13am

Good morning from sunny Las Vegas, NV, it's 82 degrees and rising.

1255 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:25:32am

re: #1189 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's also interesting to learn of a slightly secularized connotation to the phrase. The protesters have been chanting "Allahu Ackbar" a lot but it doesn't seem to be a religious movement. I get the feeling they aren't using it the same way you hear it in Al Qaeda videos. I think there's some nuance there.

1256 The Hoopster  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:25:51am

re: #1233 razorbacker

I'd better get back to to it.

Some sorry sumbeech has been strewing tools, dead machinery, unfinished projects, and general clutter all over my shop to the extent that I can not open the door without an avalanche of krep falling out.

I catch that bassard and it'll go hard for him, just you wait.

Why am I imagining the Scene from Liar liar when Jim Carey beats himself up in the bathroom? It's important you trash yourself while punching yourself in the face...It's more funny that way...:)

1257 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:25:56am

re: #1248 Killian Bundy

The bonds were bogus and no one has quite figured out what they were up to...

1258 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:27:07am

re: #1247 lawhawk

If Israel weren't blocking all that money to the Palestinian people...

///

1259 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:27:24am

re: #1252 Spare O'Lake

I'm sure you know this:
A reputation for honesty is invaluable.
But employers generally value employee loyalty just as much or more, and many may therefore feel threatened by a display of a "holier than thou" attitude.
IMO.

No kidding. As someone put it to me, "your job is to make me look good." I'm ok with that as long as it doesn't mean that I have to compromise my honesty, which is what it really meant.

I am not holier than tho, by the way, and I am loyal to the point of being hurt by that most of the time.

1260 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:28:11am

re: #1235 jcm

yeppers.

Wait for a couple armories or tank laagers to be over run.

See my #718 up-thread.
The arrests were twittered (albeit with a question mark) several days ago.

Could be a harbinger of deep doodoo for the regime.
If there were, in fact, those, then there are very probably others.

1261 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:28:29am
Protest with the Quran in your hand, sit down if they attack, while citing the Quaran 8.61, Use Gandhi method

hold Quran and cite Quran 8.61 "If they seek peace then seek you peace" Shame them into peace!

I don't know if that's going to work in this situation.

1262 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:28:55am

re: #1224 Nevergiveup
Well it doesn't matter if you're in a minority here or not, say what you want.
But I do wish you'd read my #1024 and tell me why Obama couldn't say that? It doesn't matter whether or not Mousavi wins and it doesn't matter whether or not our relationship with Iran improves or not because of it; I want Obama to say that for OUR sake.

1263 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:29:27am

re: #1255 Killgore Trout

It's also interesting to learn of a slightly secularized connotation to the phrase. The protesters have been chanting "Allahu Ackbar" a lot but it doesn't seem to be a religious movement. I get the feeling they aren't using it the same way you hear it in Al Qaeda videos. I think there's some nuance there.

Similarly, we say "one nation under God" in the pledge, and have "in god we trust" on our money, yet we're not a theocracy. Someone from outside looking in might form the wrong ideas though.

Chanting Allahu Akhbar for them might be like singing "We Shall Overcome" or "Amazing Grace". Something that was religious and morphed to cultural and is quite secularised, in certain contexts.

1264 J.S.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:29:27am

CNN is showing clips of the Iranian audience chanting "Death to America" during Friday "prayers." Looks like it's back to 1979...(CNN is also reporting that George Bush has come out and made statements with respect to the Obama administration...critical )...

1265 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:29:45am

re: #1260 pre-Boomer Marine brat

See my #718 up-thread.
The arrests were twittered (albeit with a question mark) several days ago.

Could be a harbinger of deep doodoo for the regime.
If there were, in fact, those, then there are very probably others.

The arrests, and fractures we've seen don't bode well.

1266 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:29:46am

re: #1255 Killgore Trout

It's also interesting to learn of a slightly secularized connotation to the phrase. The protesters have been chanting "Allahu Ackbar" a lot but it doesn't seem to be a religious movement. I get the feeling they aren't using it the same way you hear it in Al Qaeda videos. I think there's some nuance there.

HMMM!
Interesting. Thanks. I hadn't thought about that.

1267 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:30:15am

re: #1263 iceweasel

Similarly, we say "one nation under God" in the pledge, and have "in god we trust" on our money, yet we're not a theocracy. Someone from outside looking in might form the wrong ideas though.


Good observation.

1268 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:31:08am

re: #1261 Killgore Trout

I don't know if that's going to work in this situation.

Not a chance.

1269 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:31:56am

re: #1266 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If someone like Robert Spencer wasn't such a douche he'd be able to tell us more about.

1270 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:32:09am

re: #1231 laZardo

Good story. Remember readin it years ago. Amazing how some sci-fi authours deal with computers and AI. Harlan Ellison seemed to look upon them as evil, malignant creations. Well others took the view point of benevolent servants. I wonder what will really happen.

1271 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:32:24am

re: #1264 J.S.

CNN is showing clips of the Iranian audience chanting "Death to America" during Friday "prayers." Looks like it's back to 1979...(CNN is also reporting that George Bush has come out and made statements with respect to the Obama administration...critical )...

And then they had an Ahmadinejad supporter on saying "It's not Death to America, it's down with the American government, not the people!"

/and you probably would have heard my "Yeah fucking right" two stories up.

1272 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:32:58am

re: #1248 Killian Bundy

There's only three countries (besides the U.S.) that even have that quantity of U.S. bonds. Now, what would be the point of "sneaking" them into Switzerland? Would the get a better price, what? Who would have enough money to buy them?

/see, these conspiracy theories fall apart if you actually take the time to think them through

You're just no fun at all, Killian!
/

1273 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:33:07am

re: #1270 BlueCanuck

Good story. Remember readin it years ago. Amazing how some sci-fi authours deal with computers and AI. Harlan Ellison seemed to look upon them as evil, malignant creations. Well others took the view point of benevolent servants. I wonder what will really happen.

All your IP's belong to the Master Cylinder!

1274 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:33:41am

re: #1268 VegasRick

The reason why it worked with Gandhi was because the press would report his protests to a sympathetic public back in the UK. Mullahs control the press inside Iran so the public is never going to hear about it.

1275 Ms. MacIceweasel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:34:13am

re: #1270 BlueCanuck

Good story. Remember readin it years ago. Amazing how some sci-fi authours deal with computers and AI. Harlan Ellison seemed to look upon them as evil, malignant creations. Well others took the view point of benevolent servants. I wonder what will really happen.

Ellison's "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" is still one of the best short stories ever, in my opinion. And certainly on this topic.

1276 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:34:26am

re: #1270 BlueCanuck

The funny thing is that I can imagine AM's voice being something like...

Youtube Video

/twisted

1277 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:35:50am

re: #1259 Walter L. Newton

No kidding. As someone put it to me, "your job is to make me look good." I'm ok with that as long as it doesn't mean that I have to compromise my honesty, which is what it really meant.

I am not holier than tho, by the way, and I am loyal to the point of being hurt by that most of the time.

The thing is, when you are dealing with person who has learned he/she sometimes needs to bend the rules to make a living, it doesn't take much for them to feel that someone is "preachy" even if it is unjustified.

1278 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:35:52am

re: #1261 Killgore Trout

I don't know if that's going to work in this situation.

Short-term, no, ... but keep in mind there are at least two widely-respected Grand Ayatollahs on the side of the protesters. Martyrdom plus vociferous statements by those men could irrevocably tar the regime, publicly stripping Khamenei of his religiousity.

1279 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:36:12am

re: #1274 Killgore Trout

The reason why it worked with Gandhi was because the press would report his protests to a sympathetic public back in the UK. Mullahs control the press inside Iran so the public is never going to hear about it.

Agreed. That and the fact that there is no political leaders willing to try and help the folks. They are on their own.

1280 J.S.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:36:42am

re: #1271 laZardo

This chanting that CNN was showing, was done by the mosque crowd (shouting and raising their fists in unison, while sitting inside the building), upon hearing the Supreme Leader's (according to many "chilling") speech...(looks like a crackdown may be imminent...)

1281 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:37:30am

re: #1278 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Question is if they all report to the Grand one.

Some of the footage of the protesters show pro-Mousavi posters with his face juxtaposed amidst the other Islamic Revolution leaders including Khomeini, as if he was the real successor to the IR.

1282 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:38:23am

re: #1264 J.S.
Hey J.S. - if they're chanting "death to America" then why are virtually all of their signs in English?!
And Bush didn't criticize Obama, he said what he thought would be the right thing to do with the economy right now. Needless to say, it's not what Obama is doing.
And it's only "critical" to CNN cause it gives them fake cover to remain in Obama's pocket. His Back pocket.

1283 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:39:01am

John McCain is being deployed to intercept N. Korean ship...

1284 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:39:21am

re: #1282 realwest

Hey J.S. - if they're chanting "death to America" then why are virtually all of their signs in English?!

Because they know that some camera is going to pick up their posters for broadcast internationally.

Big networks or Youtube regardless.

1285 LGoPs  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:39:24am

re: #1255 Killgore Trout

It's also interesting to learn of a slightly secularized connotation to the phrase. The protesters have been chanting "Allahu Ackbar" a lot but it doesn't seem to be a religious movement. I get the feeling they aren't using it the same way you hear it in Al Qaeda videos. I think there's some nuance there.

I wonder if there's any nuance in the chanting of "Death to America"...
/

1286 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:40:38am

re: #1285 LGoPs

I wonder if there's any nuance in the chanting of "Death to America"...
/

Maybe Obama finds a nuance in it that says if he just asks them to unclench their fists, they'll stop the chant.
And start saying "Death to Israel" instead.

1287 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:40:40am

re: #1222 soxfan4life

I thought tax cuts were the reason we were in this mess.After all once 0 lets President Bush's tax cuts expire he will raise everyone's taxes and save the world, right.///

shhh. We don't want the fawning gullible masses to understand that letting tax cuts expire is,actually, a tax increase.
The media will keep it quiet too.

1288 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:41:21am

re: #1283 Pianobuff

John McCain is being deployed to intercept N. Korean ship...

Damn! I knew that Senator McCain was a tough guy but DAMN...oh...wait...nevermind.

1289 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:41:37am

re: #1255 Killgore Trout

It's also interesting to learn of a slightly secularized connotation to the phrase. The protesters have been chanting "Allahu Ackbar" a lot but it doesn't seem to be a religious movement. I get the feeling they aren't using it the same way you hear it in Al Qaeda videos. I think there's some nuance there.

It sure as hell doesn't mean "God Bless America".

I am reminded of course of those in the MSM who have for years been reminding us that "Death to Israel and America" is also "nuanced" and doesn't really have the meaning plainly conveyed by the words.

1290 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:41:39am

re: #1283 Pianobuff

John McCain is being deployed The USS McCain was involved in an incident with a Chinese sub last Friday - near Subic Bay off the Philippines.

what

/ o___O

1291 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:42:17am

re: #1283 Pianobuff

John McCain is being deployed to intercept N. Korean ship...

Excellent!

1292 Buck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:42:29am

re: #1264 J.S.

CNN is showing clips of the Iranian audience chanting "Death to America" during Friday "prayers." Looks like it's back to 1979...(CNN is also reporting that George Bush has come out and made statements with respect to the Obama administration...critical )...

I want clips of the Arab, Persian, Muslim street screaming death to america going back all the way to Carter.

How many people think it started with Bush?

1293 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:42:56am

re: #1281 laZardo

Question is if they all report to the Grand one.

Some of the footage of the protesters show pro-Mousavi posters with his face juxtaposed amidst the other Islamic Revolution leaders including Khomeini, as if he was the real successor to the IR.

Look for TehranBureau and read some of the backgrounders (on the menus toward the left-hand side of the page, below the row of photos.) The clergy isn't unified on this one.

1294 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:43:16am

Very funny from the Daily Show...
Jason Jones Exposes the Evils of Iran

1295 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:43:18am

re: #1283 Pianobuff
Uh, I have a lot of respect for John McCain the man, but don't y'all think that a navy ship or something would be better able to handle the interdiction of that ship?
/

1296 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:43:54am

re: #1279 VegasRick

Agreed. That and the fact that there is no political leaders willing to try and help the folks. They are on their own.

Keep an eye out for one name -- Rafsanjani.

1297 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:44:36am

Iran elections: BBC World Service battles satellite interference

From that link:

'The BBC World Service is attempting to combat continued broadcast interference from within Iran by increasing the number of satellites it uses to transmit its Persian television news service and extending the channel's hours.

Today the BBC World Service said it was raising the number of ways it transmits to Farsi-speakers in Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan after several days of persistent interference of the service from its usual satellite, Hotbird 6.

The World Service added that its satellite operator had confirmed the interference was coming from within Iran.'

1298 J.S.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:45:35am

re: #1282 realwest

In this instance of the chanting in unison of "Death to America, Death to Israel, and Death to Britain" (yeah, they added in a new one this time), they were sitting inside a mosque (I believe) and it was the Supreme Leader's speech that they were responding to...And, CNN quoted George Bush (I don't have the quote, but it was Bush suggesting that Obama's suggestion about "debates" was ridiculous -- "ridiculous" may not have been the word G Bush used, again, I don't have a verbatim quote. But, yeah, Bush was critical of Obama's take/position on Iran...)

CNN has also noted (this was from a Los Angeles Persian/Farsi tv station) that they're noticing banners being unfurled in Iran -- the banner of the sun and lion -- that represents the Safavid dynasty...and if you're caught doing this, they said it's an automatic death penalty...

1299 Pianobuff  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:45:44am

re: #1295 realwest

Uh, I have a lot of respect for John McCain the man, but don't y'all think that a navy ship or something would be better able to handle the interdiction of that ship?
/

Well, I was kind of intentionally asking for it.

1300 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:46:16am

re: #1297 yma o hyd

I wonder if Obama has jam on his waffles.

/:D ... sorry

1301 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:47:18am

re: #1145 OldLineTexan

6 megapixel with commentary imbedded in the .jpeg file in yellow. ;)

Hey, did you see my Father's Day avatar? Mitchell the boy human and Flapjack the toy poodle.

What a couple of cutie pies! I just refreshed and saw them.

1302 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:49:43am

Did anyone catch Khameini's use of the Waco Branch Davidian fiasco as a way of not so gently telling the USA to fuck off about the violent suppression of dissent?
I thought it was diabolically clever.
That prick.
*spit*

1303 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:49:49am

more on BOs...doubleblab


This go-soft-with-killers approach is causing unusual verbal gymnastics by Obama acolytes in the left wing press (e.g. the Nation, the Guardian) who are desperate to find a way to spin the story so that Obama's reticence in challenging the crackdown and the election theft is in fact seen as a calculated and nuanced approach to the Iranian situatio

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

1304 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:49:54am

Cash for clunkers? It's a program of dubious merit - and will further distort the used car market.

1305 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:50:33am

re: #1298 J.S.
Ah, well Fox New last night was making a big deal out of a speech President Bush made to some business convention over the economy.
But if he was disagreeing with Obama's stance vis a vis Iran, I'm with him on that one. And hell, I know former Presidents aren't supposed to be critical of current Presidents, but hey, when the current President's Default Position is "It was Bush's Fault" I can understand why Bush would speak out about it.
As to " the banner of the sun and lion -- that represents the Safavid dynasty...and if you're caught doing this, they said it's an automatic death penalty..."
I didn't know that - thank you very much!

1306 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:52:10am

re: #1298 J.S.

They added Great Britain to their collection of 'satans' because of the BBC World Service in Farsi ...

1307 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:52:27am

re: #1303 albusteve

more on BOs...doubleblab

This go-soft-with-killers approach is causing unusual verbal gymnastics by Obama acolytes in the left wing press (e.g. the Nation, the Guardian) who are desperate to find a way to spin the story so that Obama's reticence in challenging the crackdown and the election theft is in fact seen as a calculated and nuanced approach to the Iranian situatio

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

the left can spin it a thousand ways and it still reeks of weakness.

1308 Buck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:53:20am

re: #1304 lawhawk

Cash for clunkers? It's a program of dubious merit - and will further distort the used car market.

It was done here, and pretty successfully. Most people used the money for another car.

1309 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:53:33am

re: #1292 Buck

I want clips of the Arab, Persian, Muslim street screaming death to america going back all the way to Carter.

How many people think it started with Bush?

But the whole wide world used to love America until that Nasty Kitten Eater Bush went and ruined it all by invading that pleasant country Iraq and killing that nice man Mr. Saddam.

1310 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:53:48am

re: #1302 Spare O'Lake
Nope I didn't see it, but Obama should just reply that it was Bush's fault and doesn't represent him or the Democrats currently controlling the Federal Government!

1311 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:53:51am

re: #1306 yma o hyd

They added Great Britain to their collection of 'satans' because of the BBC World Service in Farsi ...

Can I get on their list of "satans"? I had a ham and cheese sandwich for lunch!

1312 opnion  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:54:16am

re: #1280 J.S.

This chanting that CNN was showing, was done by the mosque crowd (shouting and raising their fists in unison, while sitting inside the building), upon hearing the Supreme Leader's (according to many "chilling") speech...(looks like a crackdown may be imminent...)


With that speech , the Mullahs have crossed the Rubicon & left little wiggle room.
This thing could get really ugly.

1313 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:54:47am

re: #1311 CIA Reject

Can I get on their list of "satans"? I had a ham and cheese sandwich for lunch!

You're on it, I'm sure!

1314 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:55:02am

re: #1090 laZardo

I'm sure Kenneth and his spouse's parental support had something to do with it! Congratulations!

1315 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:55:15am

re: #1307 nyc redneck

the left can spin it a thousand ways and it still reeks of weakness.

not only weak but nefarious as well...his Iranian suck up is bad news for Israel and there is no excuse good enough to ass kiss the Mullahs and toss Israel under the bus except his own private goals

1316 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:55:18am

re: #1311 CIA Reject

Can I get on their list of "satans"? I had a ham and cheese sandwich for lunch!

Well, since I'm a Jew and I support Israel, they probably also consider me a Satan.

1317 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:55:29am

re: #1287 FrogMarch

shhh. We don't want the fawning gullible masses to understand that letting tax cuts expire is,actually, a tax increase.
The media will keep it quiet too.


I don't have the ivy league pedigree that they do, but how do you not figure out that letting a tax cut expire equals a tax increase.

1318 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:55:35am

re: #1313 yma o hyd

You're on it, I'm sure!

Oh, GOODY!

1319 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:55:46am

re: #1292 Buck

I suspect that the Iranian hostages being released just minutes after Reagan's inauguration might have been a little more than coincidence.

1320 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:56:01am

re: #1316 Kosh's Shadow

Well, since I'm a Jew and I support Israel, they probably also consider me a Satan.

Heh.
Did you have any doubts at all about that?

1321 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:56:15am

re: #1317 soxfan4life

I don't have the ivy league pedigree that they do, but how do you not figure out that letting a tax cut expire equals a tax increase.

If you let "journalists" do your "thinking" for you.
That is, if you believe the MSM.

1322 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:57:04am

re: #1307 nyc redneck

the left can spin it a thousand ways and it still reeks of weakness.

I was in the UK when the voters handed Labour its head.

The denial from the BBC, Parliament & all the lefty papers was a hoot.

1323 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:58:14am

'4.51pm:
Reuters reports that Mousavi has not called on his supporters to stage protests, but notes the candidate's supporters have pledged to gather in Tehran Saturday afternoon.

4.50pm:
From Pennsylvania, US, Mehdi Noorbaksh, son-in-law of Iran Freedom Movement leader Ebrahim Yazdi, says says that tomorrow begins a new phase of the current unrest. Now that Khamenei has publicly and forcefully warned protesters to halt their actions, if the people -- and Mousavi and Karroubi -- defy the Supreme Leader and turn out in the streets, they will be directly rejecting Khamenei and challenging his legitimacy and that of the conservative clerical institutions.

He says Khamenei's speech also forces Karroubi's and Mousavi's hands.'

(From the Grauniad's Live Blog)

1324 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:58:35am

re: #1320 yma o hyd

I'm a liberal that supports Israel because despite the usual shitstorms, it's still more liberal than pretty much every other country in its vicinity.

I think I know what that makes me.

1325 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:58:40am

re: #1321 Kosh's Shadow

I just can't figure how someone could be so blind.

1326 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:58:54am

re: #1319 laZardo

There's no doubt the mullahs despised Jimmy Carter for his weakness, and held our diplomats to rub his nose in it.

What I don't know is whether the mullahs' release of our diplomats on Reagan's watch was initiated by them to spite Carter further, or was the result of some communications from Reagan on the consequences to them if they failed to do so.

1327 J.S.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:58:57am

re: #1305 realwest

CNN also had on a prof (I believe he specializes/studies Iran, its politics, etc.) and the prof noted that the Supreme Leader -- Ali Khamenei -- is not really an Ayatollah...In fact, Khamenei is a lower level cleric! never legitimately obtained the title of an Ayatollah, but this title was given to him (sans the necessary study) after the death of Ruhollah Khomenini...(and, the Constitution of Iran had to be changed to accommodate the fact that Khamenei wasn't really an ayatollah.)

1328 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:59:41am

re: #1317 soxfan4life

I don't have the ivy league pedigree that they do, but how do you not figure out that letting a tax cut expire equals a tax increase.

Language, semantics, Orwellian logic, rhetoric, lies, distortions, disguises, and a fawning incurious press corp.

1329 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 8:59:45am

11:48 AM ET --

Khamenei referenced Waco. Near the end of his speech: "Even inside America, during the time of the Democrats, time of Clinton, 80 people were burned alive in Waco. Now you are talking about human rights? Well, I believe that the officials of America and EU should feel some embarrassment, shouldn't say anything like that."


That's odd. Is he trying to play for right wing American support?

1330 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:00:40am

re: #1312 opnion

With that speech , the Mullahs have crossed the Rubicon & left little wiggle room.
This thing could get really ugly.


Good morning opnion! I agree with you about the Rubicon, but frankly this has been getting more and more "ugly" each day. Right now, for a lot of reasons, Obama is better off leaving Iran alone, though I do think, for OUR sake, he ought to say
""America has always been about Freedom - striving for all Americans to have it and we have always supported Freedom and Democracy around the World. We condemn, TOTALLY, the brutal attacks on the "dissidents" by the Iranian government, the shooting, beatings and threats to the families of those dissidents. It is indeed a situation that Iranians must deal with themselves, but we can and will not sit idly by without voicing our concerns over the way the Iranian government has responded to the Iranians who have disputed the outcome of the recent elections."
(posted in my #1024 but didn't want y'all to have to go back that far!).

1331 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:01:09am

World War I veteran Henry Allingham is the world's oldest man following the death of a 113-year-old in Japan, Guinness World Records has confirmed.

From that link:
'Mr Allingham, one of only two surviving WWI veterans in the UK and the last surviving founder member of the RAF, was born on 6 June 1896.'

Remarkable.
What a life!

1332 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:01:53am

re: #1329 Killgore Trout

Waco (according to my Texas friends, pronounced "wacko"): Janet Reno's finest moment. Interesting that they chose an incident from the Clinton Administration, and one initiated by a woman.

1333 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:02:06am

re: #1329 Killgore Trout

11:48 AM ET --


That's odd. Is he trying to play for right wing American support?

I think they're just pulling everything out of the hat to try to do some sort of "moral equivalence" thing.

1334 J.S.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:02:13am

re: #1329 Killgore Trout

That wouldn't make sense -- if anything he's playing to the leftwing crowd -- as in "LEAVE US ALONE! ALONE, I Tell You!"

1335 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:02:31am

re: #1329 Killgore Trout

11:48 AM ET --


That's odd. Is he trying to play for right wing American support?

Nah. He's just reaching for moral equivalency.

1336 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:02:32am

re: #1329 Killgore Trout

There was this video game I used to play that actually parodied the whole Waco bit. The protagonist decides to deliver a birthday present for his cult-leader uncle (who apparently has dancing babes, a love bed and a huge plasma TV inside his complex). Obviously, that has him caught in the middle of the shitstorm when the ATF shows up and shouts "We recommend you douse yourselves in something flammable and gather in a confined space!"

/weird-ass game.

1337 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:04:11am

re: #1333 reine.de.tout

I think they're just pulling everything out of the hat to try to do some sort of "moral equivalence" thing.

By a mere 25 seconds.

BTW, how's your mouth feeling today?

1338 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:04:24am

re: #1333 reine.de.tout

re: #1335 MandyManners

Ah, that's probably it.

1339 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:04:58am

'Persiankiwi' is back tweeting - here is his latest:
'Mousavi - Confirmed - calls for ALL the nation to stand on balconys TONIGHT and show support with 'Allah Akbar' - #Iranelection'

1340 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:05:59am

re: #1326 quickjustice
Well I think that Reagan's rep for being a shoot 'em up Cowboy coulda had something to do with it too.
But ya know, our relations with Iran have gone from really BAD to TRULY TERRIBLE through both Republcian and Democratic administrations. That's frankly why I disagreed with President Bush's invasion of Iraq. It should have been Iran.

1341 Kragar  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:06:36am

re: #1339 yma o hyd

'Persiankiwi' is back tweeting - here is his latest:
'Mousavi - Confirmed - calls for ALL the nation to stand on balconys TONIGHT and show support with 'Allah Akbar' - #Iranelection'

Iranian equivalent of "I'm mad as hell"?

1342 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:07:07am

Heading to bed, college swine flu quarantine is over and I have to attend community service class in the morning.

Just a little heads-up for those tuning in, it's nationally mandatory to do this.

/nighty

1343 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:07:11am

Iranians DO NOT BE AFRAID if we stop now they will come get EVERY single one of us, PLZ attend tomorrows rally #iranelection
15 minutes ago from web

1344 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:07:16am

re: #1326 quickjustice

There's no doubt the mullahs despised Jimmy Carter for his weakness, and held our diplomats to rub his nose in it.

What I don't know is whether the mullahs' release of our diplomats on Reagan's watch was initiated by them to spite Carter further, or was the result of some communications from Reagan on the consequences to them if they failed to do so.

they did it because they were scared of reagan. it was obvious to them he was not going to be a hand wringing, sweater wearing lump of indecision and cowardice.
the timing was one last way to kick carter in the balls.

1345 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:07:32am

How catnip gets cats high

Youtube Video
1346 laZardo  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:08:03am

re: #1326 quickjustice

What I don't know is whether the mullahs' release of our diplomats on Reagan's watch was initiated by them to spite Carter further, or was the result of some communications from Reagan on the consequences to them if they failed to do so.

I figure Iraq had a lot to do with it, seeing what they'd end up getting into over Reagan's term.

But I"ll continue that later. >__> Nighty!

1347 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:08:13am

Now that is interesting:

'4.57pm:
The post directly below has caused some controversy. Twitterers and emailers tell me Reuters is mistaken, and that Mousavi, Karroubi and Khatami will be at a demonstration at Tehran's Enghelab square tomorrow.
4.51pm:
Reuters reports that Mousavi has not called on his supporters to stage protests, but notes the candidate's supporters have pledged to gather in Tehran Saturday afternoon.'

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

1348 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:08:22am

re: #1331 yma o hyd
Hey {yma} thanks for that. Imagine what that man has seen and experienced after WWI !

1349 Kragar  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:08:44am

ElBaradei: Tight-fisted donors "bastardizing" IAEA

"If you come to me and say in your wisdom to cut here and cut there, I and my colleagues will not assume responsibility if in a couple of years we see another Chernobyl (nuclear plant meltdown) or a nuclear terrorist or a clandestine nuclear (weapons) program," Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei told a closed-door meeting of the IAEA's 35-nation board of governors. The governing body has for months held up a request for an 11 percent budget hike, with some major donors insisting on further zero real growth at a time of financial crisis while danger mounts of atom bomb know-how reaching volatile regions.

The United States, the IAEA's biggest financier, said on Tuesday it was raising its budget contribution by 20 percent, or $10 million, in keeping with President Barack Obama's call for IAEA funds to be doubled over the next four years.

But the board again failed to agree a new budget at this week's meeting and ElBaradei, who has welcomed Obama's break from longtime U.S. zero-real-growth funding policy, said penny-pinching imperiled the agency's credibility.

"What you are reaping today is what you have sewn for the past 20 years (of tight funding)," he said in unusually undiplomatic remarks betraying frustration of IAEA staff trying to uphold a mandate covering non-proliferation inspections and aid for nuclear security, safety and peaceful uses of the atom.

1350 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:09:40am

re: #1341 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Iranian equivalent of "I'm mad as hell"?

Looks like it - and the religious police (and the other security forces can't do anything about that!
They're only praising Allah, after all ...

1351 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:09:44am

reine.de.tout,

got your email, thanks so much, sent one back to you!

1352 opnion  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:09:54am

re: #1330 realwest

Good morning opnion! I agree with you about the Rubicon, but frankly this has been getting more and more "ugly" each day. Right now, for a lot of reasons, Obama is better off leaving Iran alone, though I do think, for OUR sake, he ought to say
""America has always been about Freedom - striving for all Americans to have it and we have always supported Freedom and Democracy around the World. We condemn, TOTALLY, the brutal attacks on the "dissidents" by the Iranian government, the shooting, beatings and threats to the families of those dissidents. It is indeed a situation that Iranians must deal with themselves, but we can and will not sit idly by without voicing our concerns over the way the Iranian government has responded to the Iranians who have disputed the outcome of the recent elections."
(posted in my #1024 but didn't want y'all to have to go back that far!).


Hi Real, I basically agree with you. We are not going to war obver this, but there should be a statement criticising any violence against the protestors. Where is the Community Organizer, is he with the Mullahs or the people?

1353 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:10:06am

re: #1333 reine.de.tout

I think they're just pulling everything out of the hat to try to do some sort of "moral equivalence" thing.

re: #1335 MandyManners

Nah. He's just reaching for moral equivalency.

We now know he reads Chumpsky.

1354 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:11:01am

re: #1348 realwest

Hey {yma} thanks for that. Imagine what that man has seen and experienced after WWI !

It really is incredible - especially if one remembers the survival rate of the first RAF pilots.

1355 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:11:29am

re: #1344 nyc redneck
That's what I said in my #1340! How are you today nyc redneck?!

1356 opnion  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:11:41am

re: #1340 realwest

Well I think that Reagan's rep for being a shoot 'em up Cowboy coulda had something to do with it too.
But ya know, our relations with Iran have gone from really BAD to TRULY TERRIBLE through both Republcian and Democratic administrations. That's frankly why I disagreed with President Bush's invasion of Iraq. It should have been Iran.

True, Iran was unfinished business & a festering sore making us look weak. They were supporting terrorism as well.

1357 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:11:46am

"Take the bone out of your nose"
-Rush Limbaugh to a black caller

what a fucking stupid RACIST
I fucking hate racists

1358 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:12:26am

re: #1349 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

ElBaradei: Tight-fisted donors "bastardizing" IAEA

Con artist. We've gotten very little from the IAEA.
The Iranians have gotten a lot - of cover for their nuclear efforts.

1359 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:12:26am

re: #1356 opnion

True, Iran was unfinished business & a festering sore making us look weak. They were supporting terrorism as well.

What about Saudi Arabia? Oh wait, they are our friends. In politics it's never about human rights it's about political influence. It fucking sucks.

1360 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:12:44am

re: #1349 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

ElBaradei: Tight-fisted donors "bastardizing" IAEA

No amount of money will make up for the lack of will.

1361 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:13:02am

re: #1352 opnion

Hi Real, I basically agree with you. We are not going to war obver this, but there should be a statement criticising any violence against the protestors. Where is the Community Organizer, is he with the Mullahs or the people?

He only is with communities he organized.

1362 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:13:17am

re: #1338 Killgore Trout

re: #1335 MandyManners

Ah, that's probably it.

It was the first thing that popped into my mind.

1363 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:13:25am

re: #1354 yma o hyd

It really is incredible - especially if one remembers the survival rate of the first RAF pilots.

They were lucky to survive flight school!

1364 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:14:23am

re: #1353 jcm

We now know he reads Chumpsky.

Not necessarily. Assholish weasledom is universal.

1365 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:14:28am

re: #1360 MandyManners

No amount of money will make up for the lack of will.

Oh they have the will.
The will to make sure Iran, at least, gets nukes.

1366 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:14:36am

re: #1355 realwest

hey {real},
i'm so good today. upbeat and positive, no matter what.
and it tiring me out to maintain this attitude. lol
how are you doing?

1367 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:14:56am

re: #1357 ihateronpaul

"Take the bone out of your nose"
-Rush Limbaugh to a black caller

what a fucking stupid RACIST
I fucking hate racists

Link?

1368 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:15:02am

From tehranbureau - a wonderful photo, and a lengthy report ...

1369 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:16:09am

re: #1365 Kosh's Shadow

Oh they have the will.
The will to make sure Iran, at least, gets nukes.

They won't accept one iota of responsibility if/when it does. Instead, they'll blame Pres. Bush.

1370 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:16:59am

re: #1357 ihateronpaul

"Take the bone out of your nose"
-Rush Limbaugh to a black caller

what a fucking stupid RACIST
I fucking hate racists

And nyou're bringing this up now because? The incident occured in the early 70's when he was doing a local radio show under the name "Jeff Christie"
[Link: www.snopes.com...]

1371 J.S.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:17:24am

Uh-oh...CNN is showing now the clips from so-called "confessions." The supreme Leader is blaming all the unrest on foreigners (that's Zionists, etc.)..and that these foreign elements are what is causing the divisions...evil foreign interference...

1372 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:18:33am

re: #1357 ihateronpaul apparently your fucked

1373 bbcrackmonkey  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:19:24am

First off, death to the Ayatollahs.

Second off you guys can stop talking about those bonds, Italian investigators have revealed them to be elaborate forgeries. Well, not that elaborate, the $1 billion Kennedy bonds they were carrying were never even issued and the $500 million bonds were supposedly issued in 1934.

As far as health care, my current roommate is a mother of two who was bankrupted after Ovarian cancer because even though she had insurance, she lost her coverage during her illness and now she's penniless, on disability, and her children live with their father. This woman had a job, a house, a car, and was taking care of two kids and because of a random illness now she is a pauper. Also a very old friend of mine declared bankruptcy after he broke his legs and couldn't work and had no insurance. There are 51 million Americans without insurance coverage who are just an illness or an injury away from financial ruin, about half of the bankruptcies here in the US are due to medical bills, and if you don't think that's atrocious then you have no heart. I can see plain as day that people in other first world nations have far better healthcare systems than we do.

1374 opnion  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:19:41am

re: #1361 Kosh's Shadow

He only is with communities he organized.


I just get a feeling that Obama is far too solicitous of the Iranian Regime.
It seems to me that with the exception of Carter , any American President in recent memory would be making statements of support for the protestors.

1375 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:20:17am

re: #1370 sattv4u2

And nyou're bringing this up now because? The incident occured in the early 70's when he was doing a local radio show under the name "Jeff Christie"
[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Satt, good catch. I think that poster is a troll. Check the karma.

1376 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:22:15am

re: #1375 VegasRick

Satt, good catch. I think that poster is a troll. Check the karma.

re: #1367 MandyManners

If you look at the bottom of the Snopes link, they call the allegation TRUE because Rush has never denied (nor confirmed) it happened

1377 Racer X  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:23:21am

re: #1376 sattv4u2

re: #1367 MandyManners

If you look at the bottom of the Snopes link, they call the allegation TRUE because Rush has never denied (nor confirmed) it happened

They also seem to know exactly what he is thinking and why.

1378 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:23:23am

From the Graunid's Live Blog:

'5.10pm:
I'm told reformist candidate Mehdi Karroubi has sent an open letter to the Guardian Council asking them to annull the election. A reader sends this summary (which I have edited for clarity):

Karroubi says that the people created this council after the revolution to prevent the government from hijacking elections, as the Shah used to. Now is the moment for the Council to preserve Iranian people's rights. Karroubi says: "I am certain that you remember during our uprising during the Shah's regime, we were branded as agents of foreign powers and tarred as being supported by BBC."'

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

1379 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:23:45am

re: #1376 sattv4u2

re: #1367 MandyManners

If you look at the bottom of the Snopes link, they call the allegation TRUE because Rush has never denied (nor confirmed) it happened

Heh- the burden of proof is always on the accused, right?

1380 Kragar  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:24:28am

U.S. Military Set to Intercept North Korean Ship Suspected of Proliferating Missiles, Nukes

The USS John McCain, a navy destroyer, will intercept the ship Kang Nam as soon as it leaves the vicinity off the coast of China, according to a senior U.S. defense official. The order to inderdict has not been given yet, but the ship is getting into position.

1381 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:24:34am

re: #1359 ihateronpaul
Well last I heard, Saudi Arabia hadn't taken over our embassy and held 54 American civilians hostage for 444 days under the harshest conditions imaginable. That might have SOMETHING to do with our differing attitudes towards Iran and S.A.

1382 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:25:04am

From our Winston08:
'SenJohnMcCain Introduced a resolution w Sen. Lieberman today expressing support for Iranian ppl. Hope all Americans will support it!'

Is this true?
Anybody knows anything about this?

1383 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:25:35am

re: #1359 ihateronpaul

What about Saudi Arabia? Oh wait, they are our friends. In politics it's never about human rights it's about political influence. It fucking sucks.

You do see the difference bewtween 19 individuals from one country and the mullahs/ president/ leaders of another country, don't you?

1384 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:25:36am

re: #1376 sattv4u2

re: #1367 MandyManners

If you look at the bottom of the Snopes link, they call the allegation TRUE because Rush has never denied (nor confirmed) it happened

Also they mention that it was brought up by Limbaugh in remorse as something he did in his early days of broadcasting. Not in remorse of being caught, more like remorse over something that had no purpose or right being said.

1385 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:26:02am

re: #1373 bbcrackmonkey

Other countries cover all their citizens, but not with coverage equal to ours. And the US is subsidizing the new drugs sold to those countries.
If their care were so good, why would employers in England need to offer private insurance? Or why would Canada send patients here?

Yes, there are problems with health coverage in the US, but a government-run system is going to give more people less care than most get now.
This makes a point about government "solutions".

1386 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:26:20am

re: #1359 ihateronpaul

What about Saudi Arabia? Oh wait, they are our friends. In politics it's never about human rights it's about political influence. It fucking sucks.

Welcome to reality.

1387 Buck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:26:25am

re: #1381 realwest

Well last I heard, Saudi Arabia hadn't taken over our embassy and held 54 American civilians hostage for 444 days under the harshest conditions imaginable. That might have SOMETHING to do with our differing attitudes towards Iran and S.A.

True, they just bought and paid for every President, Senator, and Congress person elected in the past 30 years.

1388 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:26:30am

re: #369 ArchangelMichael

Paranoid personality disorder is listed in the DSM-IV-TR as 301.00 Paranoid Personality Disorder.

According to the DSM-IV-TR, this disorder is characterized by a pervasive distrust and suspicion of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts...

Its not paranoia if they are really out to get me. //

1389 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:26:48am

re: #1374 opnion

I just get a feeling that Obama is far too solicitous of the Iranian Regime.
It seems to me that with the exception of Carter , any American President in recent memory would be making statements of support for the protestors.

yes they would and now more than ever o should issue a strong and forceful statement. there are so many videos and photos coming out abt. what is going on there. the iranian secret police, the royal guard and other henchmen thugs beating and murdering protestors. most of these are young college students holding up signs asking for help.
o's bland spew abt, this situation does not reflect well on him at all as a human being or as totus.

1390 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:26:48am

re: #1366 nyc redneck
LOL! Well I'm having trouble being upbeat from the jump today, just trying to hang onto my sanity for a little while longer! LOL!

1391 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:27:09am

psst: gnoriay the rolltay

1392 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:27:25am

I was digging through some old files from 1995 when I found a bit of correspondence with the editor of a right-wing publication. The topic of whether an advice column for militia guys would be viable came up. So I wrote this:

Dear Biggles,

We've caught Slick Willy, but I don't want to waste any ammo on him and we don't have enough rope for a proper hanging.

What can we do?

C.M., Salem Village, MA


Dear C.M.,

First, you need to be certain that you in fact have the Slickster. As you may recall, there were a number of impersonators who were making public and television appearances. There should be a fingerprint record in the FBI files. Failing that, the Russians may have something from the Slickster's days as a commie stooge. If that doesn't work you may have to ask someone who saw the more private parts of his anatomy--such as Ms. Gennifer Flowers or Mrs. Paula Corbin Jones--to I.D. him.

Second, he must be tried for his actions. While a trial at this time would be a formality, it will save you a great amount of historical grief later on. For a jury I suggest that you contact a college or university Objectivist Club. They are objective, and since they are atheists, YOU won't get a reputation for being nutty religious persecutors.

As for the method of execution, I would suggest stoning. Its old fashioned, but everyone regardless or age or gender can participate (If your patriot committee tries to ban women from the event, try to get the fake beard concession).

As for burial, any old municipal landfill should do quite well.

Hope this helps.

P.S. Do NOT speak God's name during the stoning, there have been some problems as a result.

1393 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:27:54am

re: #1380 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

U.S. Military Set to Intercept North Korean Ship Suspected of Proliferating Missiles, Nukes

I don't believe this administration will order the involuntary boarding of a N Korean flagged ship. Put on a show, but will NOT board. I hope I'm wrong but we will see.

1394 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:27:55am

re: #1387 Buck

True, they just bought and paid for every President, Senator, and Congress person elected in the past 30 years.

I understand your point, but I think thats a tad hyperbolic. Sorry

1395 Buck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:28:09am

re: #1388 DaddyG

Its not paranoia if they are really out to get me. //

I am not paranoid, BUT I know you are all behind my back, saying I am.

1396 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:28:25am

Dog feeding time ...
(As if they'd let me forget, ha!)

BBIAB

1397 Buck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:28:46am

re: #1394 sattv4u2

I understand your point, but I think thats a tad hyperbolic. Sorry

OK, I will add the "tad hyperbolic" tag

1398 J.S.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:29:15am

re: #1382 yma o hyd

From what I've heard there are two resolutions...the latest by McCain.

1399 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:29:59am

re: #1397 Buck

OK, I will add the "tad hyperbolic" tag

no need. I already did !

1400 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:30:01am

re: #1382 yma o hyd

From our Winston08:
'SenJohnMcCain Introduced a resolution w Sen. Lieberman today expressing support for Iranian ppl. Hope all Americans will support it!'

Is this true?
Anybody knows anything about this?

checking 1st Gov Home page it doesn't say anything aobut it

1401 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:30:51am

re: #1396 yma o hyd

Dog feeding time ...
(As if they'd let me forget, ha!)

BBIAB

Who are you feeding them too? I'm calling the ASPCA and PETA!

//

1402 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:30:59am

re: #1357 ihateronpaul

"Take the bone out of your nose"
-Rush Limbaugh to a black caller

what a fucking stupid RACIST
I fucking hate racists


What? ? ?

1403 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:32:10am

re: #1373 bbcrackmonkey
First off, I feel terrible for your roomate. And for all others in a similar or nearly similar situation.
But which nations, pray tell, have better health care systems than the US?

1404 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:32:26am

re: #1373 bbcrackmonkey

And socialized medicine, has heart?

51 million number is BULLSHIT.

According to the American Spectator article citing this Blue Cross study, the 46 million figure should actually be closer to about 8 million truly uninsured.

Did you see Michelle little garden harvest speech to the kiddies?

What comes with socialized medicine is going to be government control what you eat, your exercise habits and you choice of recreational activities no more stuff where you might need expensive care.

1405 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:32:57am

re: #1402 redstateredneck

What? ? ?

That sounds WAAAY out of character for Rush Limbaugh.

1406 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:33:03am

re: #1402 redstateredneck

What? ? ?

see 1370 and 1376

1407 Kragar  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:33:08am

re: #1402 redstateredneck

What? ? ?

Troll digging up a 35+ year old story

1408 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:33:17am

re: #1402 redstateredneck

It's a pathetic troll. Don't feed it.

1409 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:33:49am

Latest Holbert cartoon - Obama and another fly.

1410 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:34:17am

re: #1404 jcm

And socialized medicine, has heart?

51 million number is BULLSHIT.

According to the American Spectator article citing this Blue Cross study, the 46 million figure should actually be closer to about 8 million truly uninsured.

Did you see Michelle little garden harvest speech to the kiddies?

What comes with socialized medicine is going to be government control what you eat, your exercise habits and you choice of recreational activities no more stuff where you might need expensive care.

Government control means a mandate to control costs- DEATH is very cost effective...

1411 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:34:25am

re: #1370 sattv4u2

And nyou're bringing this up now because? The incident occured in the early 70's when he was doing a local radio show under the name "Jeff Christie"
[Link: www.snopes.com...]

It still speaks volumes. Most racists tend to stay racist for life. This is an "open thread", right?

1412 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:35:02am

Ramalamadownding for ihateronpaul.

ass.

1413 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:35:07am

Lets send the Somali pirate teen we captured to board the North Korean ship. It'll be a twofer! /

1414 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:35:33am

re: #1391 Kenneth

psst: gnoriay the rolltay


Um, waitaminute Babelfish doesn't...oh, ok Got it!
LOL!

1415 opnion  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:35:46am

re: #1373 bbcrackmonkey
That is without question a tragic story & it is this kind of story that exposes a weakness in our medical delivery system.
However European style socialised medicine is not an upgrade.
If we go that way , there will be rationing & long waits that can prove deadly & does.
During the last health care debate, former Colorado Governor Lamb talked about , "The duty to die"
The system needs reform, not a radical overhaul.

1416 vxbush  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:35:47am

re: #1411 ihateronpaul

It still speaks volumes. Most racists tend to stay racist for life. This is an "open thread", right?

You do realize his current foil, Mr. Snerdley, is black?

1417 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:35:53am

re: #1408 Kenneth

It's a pathetic troll. Don't feed it.

yes I am a pathetic troll for stating a fact. ahaha

1418 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:35:59am

re: #1393 Nevergiveup

I don't believe this administration will order the involuntary boarding of a N Korean flagged ship. Put on a show, but will NOT board. I hope I'm wrong but we will see.

Lil' Kim has essentially said the War is back on. He's just pushing for a provocation, boarding the ship, shooting down the missile.

I'm thinking he's got some internal power struggles going on, and needs a confrontation to help show the external threats are great than any internal issues.

1419 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:36:14am

re: #1411 ihateronpaul

It still speaks volumes. Most racists tend to stay racist for life. This is an "open thread", right?

This thread is so open your brains are falling out.

1420 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:36:52am

re: #1357 ihateronpaul


I f---ing hate racists


Racistist!

1421 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:36:55am

re: #1410 CIA Reject

Government control means a mandate to control costs- DEATH is very cost effective...

Oregon set a woman a letter, meds weren't covered, assisted suicide is.

1422 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:37:13am

re: #1411 ihateronpaul

It still speaks volumes. Most racists tend to stay racist for life. This is an "open thread", right?

Yes it is. Thats why I openly pointed out that there is not verification, even on the Snopes site. They surmised it to be "true" due to Limbaugh never refuting nor admitting. Anad again, it allegedly happened in the earl;y 70's when he was a local shock jock trying to earn his bones, NOT EVEN UNDER HIS OWN NAME!

1423 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:37:20am

re: #1392 The Other Les
What on earth made you think that was something to be posted out here now?

1424 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:37:24am

re: #1418 jcm

Lil' Kim has essentially said the War is back on. He's just pushing for a provocation, boarding the ship, shooting down the missile.

I'm thinking he's got some internal power struggles going on, and needs a confrontation to help show the external threats are great than any internal issues.

Yes that may be true, or I think more likely, there is a power struggle about the succession since the Little asshole seems to be on the way out.

1425 J.S.  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:37:33am

re: #1382 yma o hyd

One resolution was introduced by Mike Pence, and it's being debated right now. the other resolution is being contemplated by McCain (in the senate.)

Here's are two articles...1) voice of america..2) debate re: pence.

1426 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:37:47am

re: #1411 ihateronpaul

It still speaks volumes. Most racists tend to stay racist for life. This is an "open thread", right?

And where the fuck is you stats on that ("Most racists tend to stay racist for life.") or is that something you just "think?"

And, the story cannot be confirmed by anything more than anecdotal evidence, not a sure thing in anyway.

And, by the way, I can't stand Limbaugh, but you are a child.

1427 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:37:48am

re: #1421 jcm

Oregon set a woman a letter, meds weren't covered, assisted suicide is.

Welcome to the "Brave New World".

1428 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:38:07am

re: #1337 MandyManners

By a mere 25 seconds.

BTW, how's your mouth feeling today?

Jaw hurts like it's been broken in 5 places.
About to go take a lortab and sleep.
THANKS

1429 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:38:25am

re: #1421 jcm

Oregon set a woman a letter, meds weren't covered, assisted suicide is.

Soylent green.

1430 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:38:26am

re: #1416 vxbush

You do realize his current foil, Mr. Snerdley, is black?

More than a "foil". Executive producer, although they "play" the foil angle on air

1431 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:38:49am

re: #1424 Nevergiveup

Yes that may be true, or I think more likely, there is a power struggle about the succession since the Little asshole seems to be on the way out.

Lot's of Fiefdoms in N. Korean, and we don't have a clue as to the structure.

1432 albusteve  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:39:03am

re: #1393 Nevergiveup

I don't believe this administration will order the involuntary boarding of a N Korean flagged ship. Put on a show, but will NOT board. I hope I'm wrong but we will see.

he let the Seals snuff those pirates...I thought that was bold for BO

1433 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:39:08am

re: #1422 sattv4u2

re: #1428 reine.de.tout

Jaw hurts like it's been broken in 5 places.
About to go take a lortab and sleep.
THANKS


{reine}
Honey, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize it was going to be all that!


If

1434 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:39:17am

Look out NinjaPirates--->

1435 Buck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:39:23am

re: #1421 jcm

Oregon set a woman a letter, meds weren't covered, assisted suicide is.

Do you have a link for that?

1436 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:40:02am

re: #1433 redstateredneck

Well, I effed that post up!
It's to reine. I had started to post something else prior and forgot I had it hanging. This is what happens when I multi-task!

1437 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #1427 CIA Reject

Welcome to the "Brave New World".

soylent green anyone?

1438 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:41:11am

re: #1436 redstateredneck

Well, I effed that post up!
It's to reine. I had started to post something else prior and forgot I had it hanging. This is what happens when I multi-task!

I was wonderig how I was involved!
Anyway ,,, upding for being human

1439 apachegunner  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:41:32am

re: #1429 Kosh's Shadow

Soylent green.

you damn lizards are to damn fast, geeesh

1440 realwest  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:41:34am

re: #1426 Walter L. Newton
Maybe he's thinking of Sen. Robert Byrd?!

1441 KenJen  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:43:05am

Hi. Had a plumbing issue at the house this morning. Caught part of the View. I can't believe people actually watch that show. They had George Lopez on promoting his new show. They showed a clip of Barack Obama promoting it. Where does O find time to film commercials for George Lopez's new talk show? Disgusting. Lopez also made a bunch of jokes making fun of Latino's. Said Sotomayer is a real latina because she managed to get a new job and get on disability right away referring to her hurt foot. Said he likes playing golf because he can club something white. The guy is not funny.

1442 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #1435 Buck

Do you have a link for that?

Yep...
Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care

You want to see the future research euthanasia in the Netherlands.

1443 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:43:41am

re: #1438 sattv4u2

I was wonderig how I was involved!
Anyway ,,, upding for being human

I'm really concerned about how I'm going to be when I really get old. I'm mid-50's now and I can't remember shit! ! !

1444 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:44:38am
1445 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #1443 redstateredneck

I'm really concerned about how I'm going to be when I really get old. I'm mid-50's now and I can't remember shit! ! !

I'm the same age and ,,, umm,,, cookies ,,,ummm, yes dear, I put the dog out,,, honey, do we have any pets? ,,,ummm,,, don't tell me ,, I know my name is ,,, ummm,,

1446 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:47:10am

re: #1421 jcm

Oregon set a woman a letter, meds weren't covered, assisted suicide is.

that is almost beyond comprehension.
but when the gov't takes over health care it will be run the way gov't runs anything.
fraught w/graft, sloppiness, fraud, bungling and incompetence.
just look at other gov't programs. they will be cutting services to cut costs.
most of the money will pay the gov't workers and keep the entitlement program afloat.
we will be the last thing on the gov't's agenda.
it truly is suicidal to turn our health and well being over to bureaucrats.

1447 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:48:49am

re: #1357 ihateronpaul

Link, please. Limbaugh has gotten into trouble in the past for suggesting that black people have received racial preferences, and for commenting on the unusual deference the sports media has extended to certain black athletes. He also has said that Colin Powell endorsed Obama solely because Obama is black. It's hard to believe he'd repeat the same mistake now.

Prove it.

1448 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:49:22am

re: #1428 reine.de.tout

Jaw hurts like it's been broken in 5 places.
About to go take a lortab and sleep.
THANKS

{reine} what happened?

1449 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:49:40am

re: #1445 sattv4u2

I'm the same age and ,,, umm,,, cookies ,,,ummm, yes dear, I put the dog out,,, honey, do we have any pets? ,,,ummm,,, don't tell me ,, I know my name is ,,, ummm,,

My husband and I tell each other the same stories over and over. We say we wouldn't have any thing to talk about if we could remember the first time we told it!

1450 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:50:18am

re: #1423 realwest

What on earth made you think that was something to be posted out here now?

It is funny.

1451 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:51:41am

re: #1442 jcm

Yep...
Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care

You want to see the future research euthanasia in the Netherlands.

Eurocare: Take two aspirin and drop dead in the morning.

1452 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 9:56:24am

I see from the thread that this "incident" allegedly happened in the 1970s. Got anything more current, sport?

1453 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 10:05:51am

re: #1448 nyc redneck

{reine} what happened?

tooth problem, oral surgery yesterday, must have been difficult - they had the grace to give me IV sedation, but once it all wore off, I'm hurtin'

Just took a lortab and trying to type now is werd. Naptime.

1454 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 10:32:20am

re: #1447 quickjustice

Link, please. Limbaugh has gotten into trouble in the past for suggesting that black people have received racial preferences, and for commenting on the unusual deference the sports media has extended to certain black athletes. He also has said that Colin Powell endorsed Obama solely because Obama is black. It's hard to believe he'd repeat the same mistake now.

Prove it.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

the comment he made about the black athlete was sort of ridiculous as well. A lot of atheletes are black, there was no "special treatment."

1455 jcm  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 10:34:27am

re: #1454 ihateronpaul

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

the comment he made about the black athlete was sort of ridiculous as well. A lot of atheletes are black, there was no "special treatment."

Media Matters, gotta do better, the World Nut Daily of the left.

1456 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 19, 2009 10:45:41am

re: #1453 reine.de.tout

Just took a lortab and trying to type now is werd. Naptime.
This is reine's brain on drugs.


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