Friday Afternoon Music: Buckethead and Primus, ‘The Ballad of Buckethead’
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Hey, it’s Friday afternoon — time for some Buckethead!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:37:16pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:38:03pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:39:52pm |
re: #3 Sharmuta
Primus sucks!
/Only real good Primus fans get that....
I saw them open for Rush back in the 80s.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:40:30pm |
That was just...I don't know.
Not my cup of tea.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:40:52pm |
I've heard people say these things before.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:41:28pm |
re: #4 CyanSnowHawk
One of the best shows I've ever seen- I was on the floor of a small arena. It rocked.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:42:08pm |
I'm going to make some matzoh balls now.
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DEZes Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:42:33pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:42:48pm |
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bellamags Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:43:15pm |
Les Claypool is the best bass player in the whole universe
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DEZes Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:44:16pm |
re: #9 Sharmuta
One of the best shows I've ever seen- I was on the floor of a small arena. It rocked.
Whatever blows your skirt up. ;)
Hows things Sharm?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:44:58pm |
Perhaps Gonzalo Rubalcaba is more to your taste?
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:45:47pm |
re: #9 Sharmuta
One of the best shows I've ever seen- I was on the floor of a small arena. It rocked.
Never knew what to expect for the opening act at Rush shows. Neil Peart loved to find unknown bands and give them a spotlight. I don't remember many of them, but I do remember Primus.
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kynna Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:45:55pm |
re: #4 CyanSnowHawk
I saw them open for Rush back in the 80s.
I saw them open for Fishbone in Chicago. They were amazing. That was one of the best concert-going experiences of my entire ear-drum exploding life. :D
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:45:56pm |
/I think a "Six Degrees to Buckethead" game would be too easy.
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:47:42pm |
OT
LIVE
Charles Krauthammer on Fox News talking NORKS threats of "Acts of War" against the USA.
Juan Williams of PBS is the hawk in this discussion! Unbelieveable. But good.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:51:00pm |
What?
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:51:23pm |
re: #21 alegrias
Charles Krauthammer on Fox News talking NORKS threats of "Acts of War" against the USA.
'painting a big bulls-eye on my roof just to say "Bring it on, shrimp."
/ronery rittre plick..........
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:52:11pm |
Les Claypool Interview 'N' Fishing
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:52:35pm |
re: #16 Charles
Perhaps Gonzalo Rubalcaba is more to your taste?
[Video]
* * *
I like Gonzalo's last name, which comes from Islamic Spanish Arabic name of Rub Al Qaaba, which is that Black Rock in Mecca.
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bellamags Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:54:19pm |
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:54:44pm |
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Charles Krauthammer says tomorrow could be huge day in human history in Iran-- could be Tien An Men square, or the toppling of the regime.
Fox News with Chris Wallace
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:55:10pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:55:38pm |
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kynna Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:55:39pm |
re: #13 bellamags
Les Claypool is the best bass player in the whole universe
In the VH1 "Behind the Music" on Metallica they were talking about all the people who came to audition to replace their bass player who'd been killed in an accident. I thought it was wild that Les Claypool auditioned -- at the time Primus was already established -- and they said he was just too good a player for them. LOL.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:55:54pm |
re: #29 alegrias
It'll start happening in a few hours. Sunrise there soon.
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bellamags Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:56:49pm |
re: #32 kynna
In the VH1 "Behind the Music" on Metallica they were talking about all the people who came to audition to replace their bass player who'd been killed in an accident. I thought it was wild that Les Claypool auditioned -- at the time Primus was already established -- and they said he was just too good a player for them. LOL.
I was just going to post this exact same thing. GMTA.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 19, 2009 3:59:34pm |
re: #16 Charles
Perhaps Gonzalo Rubalcaba is more to your taste?
No!
I like Lorena McKennitt
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Sharmuta Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:00:40pm |
A friend of mine turned me on to Primus. First album I heard was 'Seas of Cheese'. Awesome.
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Bloodnok Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:00:45pm |
Les Claypool, Red State Girl (sense of humor alert, there's a Sarah Palin joke or two in here)
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bellamags Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:00:56pm |
re: #36 Sharmuta
I love Tommy the Cat! Also My Name is Mud.
My Name is Mud - you can really hear how tight the bass player and drummer are. Thats what makes them bad ass.
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:01:54pm |
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Woo hoo, John McCain & attractive Rep. Tim Ryan (R-Wisconsin) will be on with Chris Wallace on Sunday's Fox News Sunday.
Talking Smack against mullahcracies & their appeasers, and taking down NORK ships carrying nukes?
oughtta be good.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:02:06pm |
re: #40 bellamags
My Name is Mud - you can really hear how tight the bass player and drummer are. Thats what makes them bad ass.
There is only one other bass line in rock I find more kick ass than My Name is Mud- and it's a Nirvana tune.
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kynna Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:02:32pm |
re: #39 Bloodnok
Les Claypool, Red State Girl (sense of humor alert, there's a Sarah Palin joke or two in here)
I still love him, even if he makes jokes that are stupid. ;D
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:02:52pm |
re: #39 Bloodnok
Thanks. I hadn't heard that one before.
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bellamags Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:03:02pm |
re: #43 Sharmuta
There is only one other bass line in rock I find more kick ass than My Name is Mud- and it's a Nirvana tune.
Let me guess.
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:03:40pm |
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Police State Supreme leader Mullah says how can his government of thugs possibly rig 11 million votes...ain't it rich?
ACORNISTAS get the vote rigging fraudulent registration joke.
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Shr_Nfr Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:04:23pm |
Oooh, love the LGF spy to follow these threads.
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:05:16pm |
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Allahu Akbar is being shouted from the roof tops of Tehran, liked it was done before the toppling of the Shah in 1979 per Fox News's Amy Kellogg.
(The freedom fighters are saying Allahu Akbar? It's possible. How weird.)
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Bloodnok Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:05:19pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
Thanks. I hadn't heard that one before.
It appears to be his new album (released a few months ago). I hadn't heard these songs either. Not bad at all.
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Neutral President Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:05:25pm |
re: #48 alegrias
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Police State Supreme leader Mullah says how can his government of thugs possibly rig 11 million votes...ain't it rich?ACORNISTAS get the vote rigging fraudulent registration joke.
I like how that isn't possible, but counting that many in less than 1 day is apparently totally reasonable. Tools...
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:05:48pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:05:55pm |
Everybody's taking notice of the amazing Iranian women.....
Women in Iran march against discrimination
Like thousands of other Iranian women, Parisa took to Tehran's streets this week, her heart brimming with hope. "Change," said the placards around her.
The young Iranian woman eyed the crowd and pondered the possibility that the rest of her life might be different from her mother's. She could see glimmers of a future free from discrimination -- and all the symbols of it, including the head-covering the government requires her to wear every day.
Headline story now on CNN.
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bellamags Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:06:53pm |
re: #47 Sharmuta
Go for it, Girl! How many guesses do you want?
I give up. LOL I started to look and there are just too many. Nirvana is great.
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:07:16pm |
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Fox news showing amateur video of Basiiij thugs attacking people and following protesters and students back to their dorms & homes.
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jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:07:29pm |
re: #21 alegrias
OT
LIVE
Charles Krauthammer on Fox News talking NORKS threats of "Acts of War" against the USA.Juan Williams of PBS is the hawk in this discussion! Unbelieveable. But good.
If we want to parse it, it's only been a cease fire since July 27, 1953. A cease fire which the North said a couple weeks ago it was withdrawing.
Wars on. Will anyone come?
There's a lot of internal Nork politics in this, not just testing Obama for concessions.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:07:30pm |
re: #50 alegrias
A very moving video....
Translation....
Tomorrow is Saturday. Tomorrow is a day of destiny.
Tonight, the cries of Allah-o Akbar are heard louder and louder than the nights before.Where is this place? Where is this place where every door is closed? Where is this place where people are simply calling God? Where is this place where the sound of Allah-o Akbar gets louder and louder?
I wait every night to see if the sounds will get louder and whether the number increases. It shakes me. I wonder if God is shaken.
Where is this place that where so many innocent people are entrapped? Where is this place where no one comes to our aid? Where is this place that only with our silence we are sending our voices to the world? Where is this place that the young shed blood and then people go and pray -- standing on that same blood and pray. Where is this place where the citizens are called vagrants?
Where is this place? You want me to tell you? This place is Iran. The homeland of you and me.
This place is Iran.
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:08:04pm |
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John McCain's earlier statements saying Obama isn't tough enough on Iran's regime.
Fox News repeat
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Catttt Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:08:15pm |
Listen to the night - tonight in Iran - unbelieveable - I have chills. Pray for these people, please.
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Catttt Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:08:59pm |
Wow. Jinx. Everyone seems to have linked to the remarkable video before I did.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:09:09pm |
re: #61 Catttt
Huffpo provided a translation (see #58)
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alegrias Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:10:15pm |
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Iraqis of good will should be standing by to assist these kids.
C'mon, Iraqis, step up & share your new freedom with your neighbor who needs help.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:11:19pm |
What's the best possibe outcome from the current situation in Iran? And what is the most realistic outcome from the current situation in Iran?
Are the two mutually exclusive?
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ryannon Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:13:38pm |
Not-so-OT, and I just have to share it:
[Link: www.spotify.com...]
Simply the best and most user-friendly music app out there: beats Pandora et.al. cold, makes you want to forget your iTunes Player. No, I don't work for them. I can't even figure out exactly who they are, but I can tell you that it's free (also a subscription version) and by invitation only. As for me, I signed on to a waiting list more than a month ago and then promptly forgot about it. The invitation arrived this evening and I immediately logged in: all I can say is that it has everything going for it.
If you have the patience, there seem to be ways of getting invitations by Googling "spotify invitations" or similar (sort of like in the Beta days of gmail) or by trying here:
[Link: spotify.rejected.se...]
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Racer X Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:13:46pm |
The cat just ran from the room.
I think I have the volume up a tad too loud.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:13:51pm |
re: #67 Fenway_Nation
What's the best possibe outcome from the current situation in Iran? And what is the most realistic outcome from the current situation in Iran?
Right now my guess is they're going to throw out the Mullahs and start a secular democracy. I'd give that about even chances with the mullahs violently crushing the uprising.
Another possibility is Mousavi installs himself as some sort of dictator. Not sure how likely that is.
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screaming_eagle Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:15:45pm |
re: #67 Fenway_Nation
What's the best possibe outcome from the current situation in Iran? And what is the most realistic outcome from the current situation in Iran?
Are the two mutually exclusive?
Tommorrow could be the big day. Who truely knows, alot of possible endings.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:17:26pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
I've heard that the military or IGRC could (or already has) stages some sort of coup as one of the possibilities.
From a foreign relations standpoint, I'm not sure if that would be any better or worse than the mullah's kleptocracy.
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AemJeff Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:17:41pm |
You want to talk about a great live show by people who really know how to play? I saw these guys on tour about ten years ago - the last arena show I ever attended and one of the few acts that would have motivated me to do that. Buckethead guested with Les in a band that I don't remember as Primus, although Brain was drumming, AFAICR. The performance was awesome, Buckethead and Les together provide very nearly too much simultaneous virtuoso pyrotechnics for a single stage.
To have seen Buckethead with Praxis is something I missed, but wish I hadn't:
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ryannon Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:17:55pm |
Now back to Iran and more serious things.
Believe me, I've been doing my part in getting the information out and the general consciousness up on my level. To the point of even getting some bad blowback from an Iranian who should know better, but apparently doesn't.
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jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:18:00pm |
re: #67 Fenway_Nation
What's the best possibe outcome from the current situation in Iran? And what is the most realistic outcome from the current situation in Iran?
Are the two mutually exclusive?
Likely out come at this point would be a form of secular democracy. I don't see the Mullahs staying in power at this point baring massive bloodshed.
The question on the table is how much violence are the Mullahs will inflict to retain power, vs the number and willingness of the people to take that power from the mullahs.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:18:13pm |
Random philosophical musing--
If you are doing something righteous* that you would otherwise do, but it is also dictated by your government, is it still an act of righteousness?
If it were actually an act of righteousness to wear a veil, (big, big if) doesn't it lose something if it is also mandated? Isn't giving yourself to God supposed to be voluntary, or otherwise worthless?
Could the mullahs have created a place where nobody was truly righteous because nobody was choosing to do what was deemed to be what their god wanted, only forced?
Just some random thoughts of mine.
*righteousness and self-righteousness are not the same things
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jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:21:18pm |
re: #78 EmmmieG
Random philosophical musing--
If you are doing something righteous* that you would otherwise do, but it is also dictated by your government, is it still an act of righteousness?
If it were actually an act of righteousness to wear a veil, (big, big if) doesn't it lose something if it is also mandated? Isn't giving yourself to God supposed to be voluntary, or otherwise worthless?
Could the mullahs have created a place where nobody was truly righteous because nobody was choosing to do what was deemed to be what their god wanted, only forced?
Just some random thoughts of mine.
*righteousness and self-righteousness are not the same things
Righteousness IMHO, is only righteousness if it generated from within, in response to conscience, spirituality or moral conviction. Without consideration of any external factors. It is done only for it's own sake
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:24:31pm |
re: #78 EmmmieG
“They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5 “But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6 “They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi Mullah by men.
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees Mullahs, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:24:38pm |
re: #78 EmmmieG
If it were actually an act of righteousness to wear a veil, (big, big if) doesn't it lose something if it is also mandated? Isn't giving yourself to God supposed to be voluntary, or otherwise worthless?
On a similar note: Is being righteous any more voluntary if you fear godly punishment. In Christianity god will send you to hell for certain things. Is compliance any more voluntary than fearing the state will send you to prison?
Who is more righteous? The atheist who does good for its own sake or the religious person who does it out of fear of godly punishment?
All interesting questions.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:28:13pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
On a similar note: Is being righteous any more voluntary if you fear godly punishment. In Christianity god will send you to hell for certain things. Is compliance any more voluntary than fearing the state will send you to prison?
Who is more righteous? The atheist who does good for its own sake or the religious person who does it out of fear of godly punishment?
All interesting questions.
You left out the Christian who does things from the belief that it is the right thing to do, that God has given commandments to help people not do hurtful things, and feels love for others in their heart, although an athiest/Jew/Buddhist/Taoist/Shintoist/etc. could also feel those things.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:29:08pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
Who is more righteous? The atheist who does good for its own sake or the religious person who does it out of fear of godly punishment?
Anyone doing things being motivated by fear, I believe, has no understanding of love, self sacrifice and the true meaning of spiritual teachings. It is so much deeper than just avoiding punishment......he that has ears to hear...etc...etc.....
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jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:30:56pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
On a similar note: Is being righteous any more voluntary if you fear godly punishment. In Christianity god will send you to hell for certain things. Is compliance any more voluntary than fearing the state will send you to prison?
Who is more righteous? The atheist who does good for its own sake or the religious person who does it out of fear of godly punishment?
All interesting questions.
Good observation and question.
Two parables one of the widow's mite, where the widow's small donation giving quietly is of more value, than the wealthy man's large public donation. And that of prayer, not to loudly publicly pray to show piousness, but to go into a closet, and pray earnestly and quickly.
Righteous should be the result of spiritual growth a genuine act. Not out of strict duty or fear.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:33:25pm |
re: #87 jcm
Good observation and question.
Although I can't be certain I think I must have stolen that From Hitchens.
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Shr_Nfr Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:34:10pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
If somebody told me last month that I would be bonding with the people of Iran, I would have called him nuts. But we are. Brave souls. Demand your freedom.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:34:43pm |
Twitter is twittering again, from Iran. Doesn't look like they've given up yet:
WE WILL definitely attend tomorrow's demonstration! there's no future for us otherwise! tnx all. #iranelection #gr88
the entire Farsi twitter network is talking about tomorrow 4PM and what will happen to our rallies after khamaneyi's speech
Khameneyi said he will not tolerate any more protesters & rallies, so tomorrow's rally is completely against his will as the supreme leader
it means tomorrow's demonstration is the first that will actually defy supreme leader's orders & probably himself
Tonight in cities across iran, gun shots fired into air try to scare ppl,ppl just respond with louder chants of "God is great" #iranelection
From Tehran [translated]: "Salaam. I'm not well at all. I'm afraid, but tomorrow, I'm going. Sat., 4 pm, Meidoon Enghelab [Enghelab Sq.].Tonight at 10 pm, on the rooftops everyone chanted 'Death to the Dictator.' On previous nights it wasn't so strong.
Sorry, I have to go. People will turn out tomorrow because they didn't like the supreme leader's speech." end quoteMir Hossein Mousavi is safe and well - preparing for tomorrow - Sea of Green - #Iranelection
Advice - your location can be identified from mobile signal - + delete all sms after sending in case u are arrested - #Iranelection
58 scholars & lawyers condemn the recent killings & arrests in Iran as illegal - [Link: ghalamnews.org...] - #Iranelection
From Tehran Bureau, several in a row:
From Tehran [translated]: Here and everywhere I asked in Tehran, the sound of Allah o Akbar [God is Great]was more forceful than ever and went on for a longer time.
We hear in the [Iranian blogosphere] that the Supreme Leader has told Mousavi to keep quiet or he will be exiled,
and also that the reformist leaders in jail are being pressured to give false confessions.
It feels like after 30 years, we're starting a new chapter in Iran's history." end quote
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Shr_Nfr Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:36:06pm |
re: #87 jcm
It is always wise to donate anonymously providing you can keep enough documentation for the tax man. It reigns in your ego. Do simple things quietly. They mean more.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:36:24pm |
re: #88 Iron Fist
Most of the 10 commandments have nothing really to do with real morality. Same with most religions. Wearing a burka or eating pork aren't really moral issues. Same goes for worshiping a calf, observing the sabbath or using the lord's name in vain.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:36:26pm |
re: #91 reine.de.tout
Amazing and inspiring. God is with them- we're all praying for them.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:37:21pm |
re: #91 reine.de.tout
Most of the twitters are pretty quiet so far. It's still early in the morning but I was expecting more activity by now.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:38:00pm |
re: #92 Shr_Nfr
It is always wise to donate anonymously providing you can keep enough documentation for the tax man. It reigns in your ego. Do simple things quietly. They mean more.
I was taught to do something for someone without their knowledge of it...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:39:12pm |
re: #93 Killgore Trout
Most of the 10 commandments have nothing really to do with real morality. Same with most religions. Wearing a burka or eating pork aren't really moral issues. Same goes for worshiping a calf, observing the sabbath or using the lord's name in vain.
What do you define as morality?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:39:15pm |
re: #91 reine.de.tout
Technology is the genie the mullahs can't put back in the bottle; coupled with Iranians living in the west being allowed back in to visit their families.....
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jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:39:31pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
Although I can't be certain I think I must have stolen that From Hitchens.
Not an uncommon question.
And frankly a the difference between being religious and spiritual.
Religious is man doing things out of his own effort for God.
Spiritual is allowing God to work through you.
Cain and Abel, being the first example, how and what they offered to God. The "religious" offering wasn't accepted.
Therein lies the answer to Hitchen's criticisms of religion.
When people take upon themselves to do for God, without God, all hell breaks loose.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:40:03pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
What do you define as morality?
Not sure. It's kinda like pornography, I know it when I see it.
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Shr_Nfr Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:40:36pm |
For the fools like Obama, Code Pink, Soros, Moveon.org and all the fellow travelers of the defeatist liberal fascist set, this is the gift that George Bush gave to Iraq and Iran. A recommended read is "Liberal Fascism" [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Bush has given the people of the middle east something they have not had in years if ever. Hope and democracy with human dignity.
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solomonpanting Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:41:53pm |
WOW!
Man Wins $500k From A's for Mother's Day Snub
Attorney Alfred G. Rava initiated a class-action lawsuit against the A's because, as a biological male, he was not given a plaid sun hat being handed out to the first 7,500 ladies arriving at the Mother's Day game.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:41:54pm |
re: #100 Killgore Trout
Not sure. It's kinda like pornography, I know it when I see it.
I call being honest and not coveting other people's things morality.
(Not stealing and not murdering are so obvious that I consider them a given. By the way, good "not stealing" by giving Hitchens credit for his ideas.)
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jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:44:52pm |
re: #92 Shr_Nfr
It is always wise to donate anonymously providing you can keep enough documentation for the tax man. It reigns in your ego. Do simple things quietly. They mean more.
My church we don't even pass the plate. There are unmarked locked boxes in a counter with a slot for donations. Tax law and such, the church does keep a record of donations made with checks etc.... that is kept in the strictest confidence. With the exception of business meetings and special projects, finances are not discussed.
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Ojoe Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:45:01pm |
re: #97 EmmmieG
Most of the 10 commandments have nothing really to do with real morality.
Like, don't steal, no murder, no screw other person's spouse, is not moral?
I think you are missing the point here.
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NYPhotoGal Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:45:30pm |
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Trader Joe's Defies Boycott Call Against Israeli Products
"Monrovia, CA - Anti-Israel groups under the umbrella of the "U.S. Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel" recently sent form letters to retail chain store Trader Joe's headquarters demanding the company stop carrying Israeli products as these products "help fund an economy based on illegal occupation and apartheid."
Traders Joe's has more than 300 stores in the U.S. with locations in NY, CT, MD, and NJ.
The Anti-Defamation League Central Pacific office sent a letter to Trader Joe's and received a response from Jon Basalone, Trader Joe's Senior Vice President of Marketing.
He wrote, "We have received a few letters [threatening a boycott] like this via our customer relations email. Our response is that we sell products, and do not use our products as political tools or to make any statements about any political causes. We have no intention of removing any products based on pressure from any group, no matter what they support or don't support. As always, we believe our customers are smart, and they are capable of making decisions about what they purchase."
Anti-Israel activists in Pittsburgh walked into a Trader Joe's and proceeded to pull Israeli goods and distribute misinformation materials to customers before being removed for trespassing.
On the 7th March the same group of Pro-Palestinian supporters wearing 'Boycott Israel' T-Shirts entered a French supermarket and started to remove all goods supplied by Israel, they plan the same idea this Saturday--June 20th--in U.S retail chain Traders Joe's.
The anti-Israel groups have called for a national day of de-shelving Israeli products from Trader Joe's stores on Saturday, June 20, World Refugee Day.
Pro-Israeli activists have asked that consumers should to do the following:
1. Alert your community members and encourage them to shop at Trader Joe's stores and to specifically buy Israeli products, particularly before and during the weekend of June 20. It would be fantastic if all the Israeli products are gone before the boycotters arrive.
Israeli products carried at Trader Joe's include: Dorot Crushed Garlic, Dorot Chopped Cilantro, Holyland Matzos, Pastures of Eden Feta Imported, Trader Joe's Israeli Couscous and Trader Joe's Harvest Grains Blend.
2. Tell managers at Trader Joe's stores that you really like the Israeli products they carry and hope they will carry more in the future.
3. Alert managers that June 20 has been declared as a day to de-shelve Israeli products and they should be aware of any people who may try to vandalize, shoplift, or deface the products in any way.
4. Write a letter of thanks to Trader Joe's national headquarters on their contact page or by mail to:
Don Bane, Chairman and CEO
Doug Rauch, President
Charles J. Pilliter, SVP Operations
Trader Joe's Main Headquarters
800 S. Shamrock Ave.
Monrovia, CA 91016
Below you will find sample text:
It has recently come to my attention that anti-Israel groups called for a boycott of Israeli products in your stores.
I want to thank you for not giving into this pressure and for carrying products from Israel that I and so many others enjoy across the country. I will continue to buy these goods and others from your stores."
From Voz Iz Neias website:
My local Trader Joe's is right near Union Square in Manhattan on East 14th Street-- and since Union Square always seems to have pro-Palestinian demonstrators, I expect this store will be one of their targets.
I already sent my thank you to TJ's for not allowing these pressure tactics to succeed....
| 109 |
Shr_Nfr Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:45:51pm |
re: #105 Shr_Nfr
The only time I have a plaque or something like that put up is when I do a donation in honor of or in memory of. It does not mention me in the least.
| 110 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:46:39pm |
re: #107 Ojoe
Like, don't steal, no murder, no screw other person's spouse, is not moral?
I think you are missing the point here.
Could you read my post again? The sentence quoted in your comment was from KT, not me. Thanks.
| 113 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:50:57pm |
re: #95 Killgore Trout
Most of the twitters are pretty quiet so far. It's still early in the morning but I was expecting more activity by now.
It's been so quiet the past several days.
I'm glad to see them coming back up.
| 114 |
DEZes Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:52:15pm |
| 115 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:54:16pm |
| 116 |
Ojoe Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:55:44pm |
re: #114 DEZes
They started right next to where I grew up, and the Towercam on Mt. Wilson is only a few miles away from the first Trader Joe's.
BBL
| 117 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:56:31pm |
re: #108 NYPhotoGal
Good on Trader Joe's. There's one on my way to work. I wish I could be there when those nuts try their vandalism. I'd enjoy the resulting verbal fight. I like being able to scream at assholes, I find it cathartic.
| 118 |
callahan23 Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:57:16pm |
re: #108 NYPhotoGal
These ''boycott Israel' groups are not really anti-Israel groups all they are is anti-Semitic.
There is no such thing as anti-Zionism it all boils down to anti-Semitism.
%P% (a big hoik and spit) to them and kudos to Trader Joe's for showing some testicular fortitude in the face of this anti-Semitic bullying.
| 119 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:58:16pm |
re: #118 callahan23
What's up stud? hope today finds you well...
| 120 |
freetoken Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:59:35pm |
In the overnight thread I put in the spin-offs links to a paper that proposes (once again) that humans' closest living relative is the orang-utan, not the chimpanzee.
Controversial it is, and I expect it to be a topic among the ID/creationist boards for a while.
Evolution/creation debate forums are starting to pick it up, e.g.:
Humans More Related To Orangutans Than Chimps, Study Suggests though in that thread the molecular guys aren't buying it.
In doing my Google search, though, what surprised me is how fast the racists jumped on this. While looking for creationists discussing the paper, links came up for a rather odorous website with discussions such as this:
Humans derive from orangutans, n[] from chimps
This research suggests to me that humans -- White and Asian -- came from the Asian Orangutan. It would make sense that n[] evolved from African primates, such as the chimp. It would explain a lot to show that humans and n[] had different evolutionary ancestors.
[redacted by me]
The reply to the above entry are even worse.
I won't link to such a sight (and am 100000000% sure that Charles wouldn't want me to do so). That there is an entire (apparently active) website and forum dedicated to entries such as the above... what can I say.
| 121 |
wiffersnapper Fri, Jun 19, 2009 4:59:41pm |
Impressive solo, but not quite my type of music. If Jason Voorhies were given an "axe" instead of a machete, he would be Buckethead ;)
| 122 |
callahan23 Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:00:24pm |
re: #119 HoosierHoops
I am doin' great, thanks my friend. How's fishing 'n relaxin' doin'?
/ trying meself in a little slang here ;-)
| 124 |
IslandLibertarian Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:01:33pm |
if we were to list all the "good" things that are being done just today by "religious" people, possibly, the day would be done before they were all counted.........no I don't have a link to that........take it on faith......
| 125 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:01:44pm |
re: #120 freetoken
In the overnight thread I put in the spin-offs links to a paper that proposes (once again) that humans' closest living relative is the orang-utan, not the chimpanzee.
Controversial it is, and I expect it to be a topic among the ID/creationist boards for a while.
Evolution/creation debate forums are starting to pick it up, e.g.:
Humans More Related To Orangutans Than Chimps, Study Suggests though in that thread the molecular guys aren't buying it.
In doing my Google search, though, what surprised me is how fast the racists jumped on this. While looking for creationists discussing the paper, links came up for a rather odorous website with discussions such as this:
[redacted by me]
The reply to the above entry are even worse.
I won't link to such a sight (and am 100000000% sure that Charles wouldn't want me to do so). That there is an entire (apparently active) website and forum dedicated to entries such as the above... what can I say.
That's thread worthy, in my mind. I'll position my charcoal near the grill, so when Charles posts it, I'll be ready.
| 126 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:02:49pm |
re: #124 IslandLibertarian
if we were to list all the "good" things that are being done just today by "religious" people, possibly, the day would be done before they were all counted.........no I don't have a link to that........take it on faith......
Add to it...
| 128 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:03:15pm |
re: #107 Ojoe
Like, don't steal, no murder, no screw other person's spouse, is not moral?
I think you are missing the point here.
I'll give you my breakdown.
Moral Commandments....
"Do not murder"
"Do not commit adultery."
"Do not steal."
"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Not morality related....
"Do not covet your neighbor's wife" (Mine neighbors wife has a nice ass. Nothing wroing with that)
"Honor your father and your mother..." (I know plenty of people who don't associate with their parents for various reasons. Nothing wrong with that)
"Remember [zachor] the Sabbath day and keep it holy"(Who cares what day it is?)
"Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..." (goddamnit!)
"Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..." (Mo'Toons!)
"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..." (I don't care how many gods people worship and what order they do it in)
| 129 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:03:27pm |
re: #122 callahan23
I am doin' great, thanks my friend. How's fishing 'n relaxin' doin'?
/ trying meself in a little slang here ;-)
Out of here Saturday...Rained most of the time...But because this is Wisconsin the beer and food flowed freely...
We'll back back every month for one week till September.....
| 130 |
Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:04:21pm |
re: #108 NYPhotoGal
| 131 |
IslandLibertarian Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:05:12pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
Not morality related....
..ahhhhhhhh, grasshopper, you have so much to unlearn............
| 132 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:05:59pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
If these commandments were so important then why can't everybody use the same list?
Somebody's going to hell for using the wrong version.
| 133 |
Vicious Babushka Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:06:59pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
If these commandments were so important then why can't everybody use the same list?
Somebody's going to hell for using the wrong version.
The 10 Commandments (actually 613) were given to the Israelites, not to the other nations.
| 134 |
IslandLibertarian Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:07:36pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
If these commandments were so important then why can't everybody use the same list?
Somebody's going to hell for using the wrong version.
You can't fix a Toyota with a GM manual.
What are you driving?
It's all an illusion..........
| 135 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:08:56pm |
re: #133 Alouette
That's a pretty good list. I might quibble with 4 and 5 but over all it's not bad. Better than the commandments.
| 136 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:09:21pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
Let's see how you feel about the honoring of parents after you have kids.
*grin*
| 137 |
nyc redneck Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:09:41pm |
re: #108 NYPhotoGal
OT
Trader Joe's Defies Boycott Call Against Israeli Products"Monrovia, CA - Anti-Israel groups under the umbrella of the "U.S. Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel" recently sent form letters to retail chain store Trader Joe's headquarters demanding the company stop carrying Israeli products as these products "help fund an economy based on illegal occupation and apartheid."
Traders Joe's has more than 300 stores in the U.S. with locations in NY, CT, MD, and NJ.
The Anti-Defamation League Central Pacific office sent a letter to Trader Joe's and received a response from Jon Basalone, Trader Joe's Senior Vice President of Marketing.
He wrote, "We have received a few letters [threatening a boycott] like this via our customer relations email. Our response is that we sell products, and do not use our products as political tools or to make any statements about any political causes. We have no intention of removing any products based on pressure from any group, no matter what they support or don't support. As always, we believe our customers are smart, and they are capable of making decisions about what they purchase."
Anti-Israel activists in Pittsburgh walked into a Trader Joe's and proceeded to pull Israeli goods and distribute misinformation materials to customers before being removed for trespassing.
On the 7th March the same group of Pro-Palestinian supporters wearing 'Boycott Israel' T-Shirts entered a French supermarket and started to remove all goods supplied by Israel, they plan the same idea this Saturday--June 20th--in U.S retail chain Traders Joe's.The anti-Israel groups have called for a national day of de-shelving Israeli products from Trader Joe's stores on Saturday, June 20, World Refugee Day.
Pro-Israeli activists have asked that consumers should to do the following:
1. Alert your community members and encourage them to shop at Trader Joe's stores and to specifically buy Israeli products, particularly before and during the weekend of June 20. It would be fantastic if all the Israeli products are gone before the boycotters arrive.
Israeli products carried at Trader Joe's include: Dorot Crushed Garlic, Dorot Chopped Cilantro, Holyland Matzos, Pastures of Eden Feta Imported, Trader Joe's Israeli Couscous and Trader Joe's Harvest Grains Blend.
2. Tell managers at Trader Joe's stores that you really like the Israeli products they carry and hope they will carry more in the future.
3. Alert managers that June 20 has been declared as a day to de-shelve Israeli products and they should be aware of any people who may try to vandalize, shoplift, or deface the products in any way.
4. Write a letter of thanks to Trader Joe's national headquarters on their contact page or by mail to:
Don Bane, Chairman and CEO
Doug Rauch, President
Charles J. Pilliter, SVP Operations
Trader Joe's Main Headquarters
800 S. Shamrock Ave.
Monrovia, CA 91016Below you will find sample text:
It has recently come to my attention that anti-Israel groups called for a boycott of Israeli products in your stores.
I want to thank you for not giving into this pressure and for carrying products from Israel that I and so many others enjoy across the country. I will continue to buy these goods and others from your stores."From Voz Iz Neias website:
My local Trader Joe's is right near Union Square in Manhattan on East 14th Street-- and since Union Square always seems to have pro-Palestinian demonstrators, I expect this store will be one of their targets.
I already sent my thank you to TJ's for not allowing these pressure tactics to succeed....
i have renewed respect for trader joe's.
i'm going to go in and buy all the israeli products i can find.
| 138 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:10:36pm |
re: #136 EmmmieG
I'm not a big fan of kids.
| 139 |
freetoken Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:11:19pm |
re: #125 Dark_Falcon
If (when?) Luskin et. al. jumps on it and the popular media starts getting DI pressers I'd expect more than only LGF to jump on it. Right now the news is still spreading throughout the science-blog sphere.
E.g. The Red Ape Returns & Willi Hennig Superstar! That author is not impressed at all.
| 140 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:12:44pm |
| 141 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:12:47pm |
re: #115 Killian Bundy
He said, she said./mamas don't let your children grow up to be dumbasses.
And there's a score of harebrained children
They're all locked in the nursery
They got earphone heads they got dirty necks
They're so 20th century
MJ
| 142 |
Racer X Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:16:22pm |
| 143 |
jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:17:04pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
"Do not covet your neighbor's wife" (Mine neighbors wife has a nice ass. Nothing wroing with that)
Observing attributes isn't covet. Covet is more obessing, leading to actions. Which can cause all other kinds of issues.
"Honor your father and your mother..." (I know plenty of people who don't associate with their parents for various reasons. Nothing wrong with that)
Honor, doesn't necessarily mean you have to put up with that which isn't honorable. Recognize those that gave you life.
"Remember [zachor] the Sabbath day and keep it holy"(Who cares what day it is?)
The most religious commandment? A day to rest and reflect, is it such a bad idea?
"Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..." (goddamnit!)
That's it, you are going to burn in hell for that! //
Swear falsely, i.e. not to tell the truth. Be truthful, and especially don't swear by God if your lying.
"Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
This is pretty simple, if you are going to worship God, worship God, not an object, or substitute.
"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."
Even atheists could use this one. Don't make something your god, money, objects, whatever. If something other than God, becomes your god it becomes easier to forget the basics, and then murder steal etc.. on behalf of that god.
| 144 |
snowcrash Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:17:27pm |
No Trader Joe's in TX! Is it like Whole Foods?
| 145 |
jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:18:00pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
I'm not a big fan of kids.
Cool I'm sending you my four for a weeks vacation with uncle KT!
//;-P
| 146 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:18:48pm |
re: #145 jcm
Cool I'm sending you my four for a weeks vacation with uncle KT!
//;-P
No, I'm sending him the 9 year old. The one that broke a $500 monitor today.
/That was the sound of KT's resolve never to have children hardening.
| 147 |
albusteve Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:19:29pm |
re: #144 snowcrash
No Trader Joe's in TX! Is it like Whole Foods?
yes but without the decent raw peanuts
| 148 |
jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:19:43pm |
re: #144 snowcrash
No Trader Joe's in TX! Is it like Whole Foods?
Whole Foods is Organic Snobbery, you pay for the snob factor.
Trader Joe's is cool with all kinds of hard to find things from around the world at reasonable prices.
| 149 |
jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:20:36pm |
re: #146 EmmmieG
No, I'm sending him the 9 year old. The one that broke a $500 monitor today.
/That was the sound of KT's resolve never to have children hardening.
Ouch! That works out to about 10 years allowance.......
| 150 |
NYPhotoGal Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:23:47pm |
re: #144 snowcrash
Trader Joe's is really cool, excellent products, (mostly their own label) so they have
great prices, their motto is 'cutting out the middleman'.
They also have interesting/innovative frozen & prepared foods, lots of organic and the prices are so reasonable, it's hard to shop elsewhere--especially in NYC!
| 151 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:24:21pm |
re: #148 jcm
Whole Foods is Organic Snobbery, you pay for the snob factor.
Trader Joe's is cool with all kinds of hard to find things from around the world at reasonable prices.
Indeed. My parents sometimes shop at Trader Joe's, and my mother does use the place to find hard to locate items. She likes it a lot. I should have my dad head over to his local Trader Joe's tomorrow. He's an old man, but he's still much bigger and much stronger than hippie protesters. I think they'd back off rather than deface things while he's around.
| 152 |
jcm Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:25:05pm |
Gotta run, a errand list awaits.
Including a stop at TJ's. TJ's is on my weekly errand list.
| 154 |
iLikeCandy Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:30:56pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
Is being righteous any more voluntary if you fear godly punishment.
You mean, Is it more righteous to do the right thing because it's what you're supposed to do than to do the right thing just because you're afraid of going to hell? Catholics have an answer for that: Yes. Perfect contrition vs. imperfect contrition.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 155 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:39:58pm |
| 156 |
freetoken Fri, Jun 19, 2009 5:45:27pm |
re: #155 reine.de.tout
Were you ever a kid yourself?
I always thought he hatched straight out of Buddha's skull, a fully grown adult.
| 157 |
solomonpanting Fri, Jun 19, 2009 6:13:21pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
I'm not a big fan of kids.
So, then, you're the one sporting the bumper sticker:
I Child Proofed My House But They Still Get In
| 158 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Jun 19, 2009 7:30:05pm |
Just a thought on Ron Paul's "no" vote against the Iranian people today.
Given his racism, Ron may believe libertarian means "liberty for Aryans". I guess he thinks the Persians - the original Aryans - are some kind of awful Semitic Untermenschen.
RevoLution!
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