Video: Iranian Student Shot to Death by Islamic Police
Just posted a little while ago (hat tip: justdanny):
Just posted a little while ago (hat tip: justdanny):
4 | callahan23 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:03:12pm |
The protesters in the streets of Teheran are currently the bravest people on earth.
5 | solomonpanting Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:03:43pm |
All societies have a breaking point. How long until Iran reaches its own?
6 | swami Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:06pm |
Do we know what--exactly--the protesters want, and that it would be better for our interests than what's there now?
Are they pro-Western or simply anti-Iranian military dictatorship? I haven't heard that they want to overthrow the whole mullah mess.
9 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:05:14pm |
Al though this is a new angle, I'm pretty sure this is the Basij compound killing from a few days ago. You catch a glimpse of the guy on the goof with the AK, and I seem to remember the blood stained taxi in other clips.
10 | Shug Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:05:33pm |
Where is Medea Benjamin's big yapper in all of this ?
11 | Shug Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:05:58pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
I hope that young man is alright.
Is this the same person who we saw dead earlier today in another video?
12 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:06:29pm |
re: #6 swami
Do we know what--exactly--the protesters want, and that it would be better for our interests than what's there now?
Are they pro-Western or simply anti-Iranian military dictatorship? I haven't heard that they want to overthrow the whole mullah mess.
It's at that point, getting rid of the Mullahs.
Many of the young people want a western style democracy.
13 | ladycatnip Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:07:03pm |
Where's our great leader who promised to bring peace to the ME through sitting down with these thugs and chatting over a cup of tea? His continued silence becomes a tacit approval of theocratic dictatorships.
14 | Bloodnok Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:07:48pm |
re: #4 callahan23
The protesters in the streets of Teheran are currently the bravest people on earth.
I agree. In all of these videos you will see people coming to carry off the victims without caring that they are in the line of fire. You don't even see them look to see where the gunman is. They just GO. Men, women, young, old. It really is something.
Just the fact that they're out there at all with the full knowledge of what their government is capable of is incredibly courageous.
15 | Shug Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:09:35pm |
re: #13 ladycatnip
Where's our great leader who promised to bring peace to the ME through sitting down with these thugs and chatting over a cup of tea? His continued silence becomes a tacit approval of theocratic dictatorships.
Frozen. custard
17 | nyc redneck Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:10:46pm |
re: #10 Shug
Where is Medea Benjamin's big yapper in all of this ?
code pink was there recently praising the thugs and murderers.
and will return soon and meddle on behalf of the dictatorial regime.
18 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:12pm |
re: #17 nyc redneck
code pink was there recently praising the thugs and murderers.
and will return soon and meddle on behalf of the dictatorial regime.
They've also been in Egypt recently.
19 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:18pm |
re: #14 Bloodnok
I'm starting to get a little concerned that this might all collapse. I don't know how much longer they can throw stones and get shot. The Basij has no problem doing it and there aren't any signs yet of the military joining the protesters. Maybe if there's a national strike they can shut down the economy and force a regime change. Right now the protesters are so outgunned that I'm getting worried.
20 | Shug Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:26pm |
re: #17 nyc redneck
code pink was there recently praising the thugs and murderers.
and will return soon and meddle on behalf of the dictatorial regime.
disgusting hag
21 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:12:26pm |
re: #16 freetoken
Let me google that word and I'll get back to you.
22 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:13:32pm |
23 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:13:58pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
I'm starting to get a little concerned that this might all collapse. I don't know how much longer they can throw stones and get shot. The Basij has no problem doing it and there aren't any signs yet of the military joining the protesters. Maybe if there's a national strike they can shut down the economy and force a regime change. Right now the protesters are so outgunned that I'm getting worried.
seems like they spend alot of time with thir cameras and less fighting off the govt troops....no way to toss a street fight imo
24 | callahan23 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:00pm |
re: #14 Bloodnok
I agree. In all of these videos you will see people coming to carry off the victims without caring that they are in the line of fire. You don't even see them look to see where the gunman is. They just GO. Men, women, young, old. It really is something.
Just the fact that they're out there at all with the full knowledge of what their government is capable of is incredibly courageous.
When the shots are being fired the people continued to walk towards the danger. They are incredibly courageous and also very desperate about their government regime to be able to do such.
As was also visible on the video three threads ago.
25 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:06pm |
26 | nyc redneck Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:17pm |
it's almost like we don't have a president.
just some joker who has been given the keys to the white house.
27 | solomonpanting Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:20pm |
28 | snowcrash Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:45pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
Dictionary dot coms word of the day a few days ago too!
29 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:04pm |
re: #23 albusteve
seems like they spend alot of time with thir cameras and less fighting off the govt troops....no way to toss a street fight imo
You might be right. A revolution needs more than martyrs.
30 | justdanny Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:22pm |
I keep crying about this damn thing. Its been days since I heard from my friends. I have some in betweens in Spain and Germany but the news of my friends moves so slow. I can't call in. They can't call out. The last I heard from my friend S. was from the background of a video shot from the roof of her home, as basiji attacked her neighbrs on the street below. Apparently my friends have barricaded all of the doors from the inside and moved all essentials to their roof.
31 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:36pm |
re: #26 nyc redneck
He's an ice cream eater!
33 | Ateam Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:16:04pm |
re: #4 callahan23
The protesters in the streets of Teheran are currently the bravest people on earth.
Excuse me, but exuse more from Bangala-dech cumulation numbers - more then 120 millions ppl are going to suffer a Sauveur shortness of foods near the years to cone.
34 | reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:17:16pm |
35 | justdanny Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:17:16pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
They aren't just outgunned. They are without guns totally.
36 | SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:18:28pm |
'rt @persiankiwi Mousavi: we have gone too far to stop now - #Iranelection'
37 | The Other Les Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:18:50pm |
re: #13 ladycatnip
Where's our great leader who promised to bring peace to the ME through sitting down with these thugs and chatting over a cup of tea? His continued silence becomes a tacit approval of theocratic dictatorships.
Our "great leader" is a socialist. Socialists are by necessity practitioners of tyranny, so their sympathies are usually with the tyrants.
Scratch a "progressive" and you will usually find a tyrannophile.
40 | MrPaulRevere Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:25:18pm |
That fat bastard on the roof with the AK-47 will undoubtedly get a promotion out of all this. Pretty sick stuff if you ask me.
41 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:26:38pm |
re: #40 MrPaulRevere
That fat bastard on the roof with the AK-47 will undoubtedly get a promotion out of all this. Pretty sick stuff if you ask me.
Or a rope on lightpost......
43 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:02pm |
their strength is in their numbers....thy should pick a target and mob up, press relentlessly until they are either shot to pieces or disperse the bad guys....very bloody but what is the alternative?....falling back into small roving bands tossing rocks is exactly thee wrong thing to do....if you want it, take the fight right at th guns and get it over with one way or another
44 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:08pm |
[Link: twitter.com...]
It seems Tehran 2009 = Beijing 1989
45 | mystry Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:57pm |
If the Iranian Government falls, the Mullah's also go down. They ARE the government. For the people, by the people. The Theocratic system will not go down without a stiff fight. That is what is going on right now. The people may not want Democracy as we know it. But they do not want this repressive regime any more!
47 | callahan23 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:30:11pm |
re: #38 LSD
Sunday Bloody Sunday Iran
[Video]
THE most heart wrenching video that has been posted today was from your comment three threads ago.
"Please Post this video. This is GRAPHIC.
It is horrible but shows the ruthlessness of the Basij militia. They shoot and murder a girl who dies in her fathers arms..."
48 | itellu3times Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:30:52pm |
49 | MJ Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:31:34pm |
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Martin Kramer has a few choice words on Obama:
Obama's Middle East map in shreds
posted Saturday, 20 June 2009
There is nothing at all surprising about Barack Obama's reluctance to embrace the surge for freedom in Iran. As I've shown, he received his primer on the Middle East from Rashid Khalidi, who facilitated Obama's formation as a Palestine-centric Third Worldist. In this view of things, only the situation of the Palestinians deserves to be described as "intolerable" —the word Obama used in Cairo—and action is promised only to them. Iranians are defrauded and assaulted by the bizarre dictatorship of the "Supreme Leader" and his Basiji minions? America, Obama says, is "watching." Why? Obama's master plan for the Middle East is supposed to commence with his entry to Jerusalem as the messiah of peace, godfather of the Palestinian state. Everything is supposed to follow from that.
Well, the Middle East doesn't revolve around the Palestinians, and young Iranians don't intend to wait for Mahmoud Abbas (emir of Ramallah, where there is a "good reality") to get off his derrière before demanding their freedom. Iranians rightly think they're no less worthy of the world's sympathy than the Palestinians. (One of the chants of Iran's protesters: Mardom chera neshastin, Iran shode Felestin! "People, why are you sitting down? Iran has become Palestine!") Events in Iran have left Obama's simplistic mental map of the Middle East, first learned from a few Palestinian activists and an old Hyde Park rabbi, in shreds....
Rest here:
[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]
51 | MrPaulRevere Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:32:31pm |
Marked for Death by Twitter: Social-networking sites are being celebrated as conduits for information out of Iran. But with the supreme leader vowing to punish dissidents, these digital footprints could prove deadly. [Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
52 | ladycatnip Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:33:21pm |
#26 nyc redneck
it's almost like we don't have a president.
just some joker who has been given the keys to the their white house.
fify
54 | LSD Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:35:04pm |
The young woman murdered on video by the Basij today
was named "Neda" - which means "Voice" or "Call"
55 | callahan23 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:35:23pm |
re: #53 justdanny
If they hurt my friend
......
And mine.
A student and friend of mine.
..... ..... .....
56 | itellu3times Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:36:24pm |
bulletin: pat buchanan on Maclauglin praises Obama's handling of Iran.
nuff said
57 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:36:26pm |
whatever else, BO has dug a hole for himself...and I suppose he is gonna get socked relentlessly for his limp wristed handling of this thing and he should imo...wtf is he gonna say when the smoke clears?
58 | DEZes Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:37:05pm |
This people, is why you never surrender the right to bear arms.
59 | Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:37:11pm |
Ugh.....
Sunday Morning in Iran, A Letter from Mousavi’s Office
I’ve received what purports to be a statement from Mousavi’s Office in Tehran. Like everyone else covering the revolution, I get a lot of material that can’t be authenticated, and one must always take such material with a healthy dose of skepticism. That said, the person who sent this to me is undoubtedly in touch with the Mousavi people on the ground, that much is certain. His information has been proven reliable throughout this period. So while the following open letter carefully puts distance between the author(s) and Mousavi himself, I am quite sure that at a minimum it accurately reflects the state of mind of the Mousavi people.
So here you go:
Fake but accurate!
60 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:37:50pm |
Basij is essentially the grass-roots auxiliary of the Iran Revolutionary Guards, parent organization of the vile Al Quds terror force. As such, they are both the most visible and, individually, the most vulnerable, component of the oppressor regime.
If the mullahs fall, the Basij are dead men and they know it.
61 | SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:39:18pm |
re: #58 DEZes
This people, is why you never surrender the right to bear arms.
I hit the + 10 times. Gray or not.
A big AMEN.
62 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:39:50pm |
the people needed to fight the basji to a draw today and I don't think they did...they will pay in spades for their 'insolance'
63 | itellu3times Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:15pm |
re: #58 DEZes
This people, is why you never surrender the right to bear arms.
OK, but basij on motorcycles seem an easy target for rocks, slingshots, umbrellas, oil slicks, and ten other easy weapons.
64 | crazytraveler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:40pm |
My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Iran. All these people want are fair elections, an when they complain to the US, our President is going out for ice cream. Sends a strong signal to them that we're going to let them hang out to dry and be slaughtered.
65 | JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:43pm |
re: #26 nyc redneck
it's almost like we don't have a president.
just some joker who has been given the keys to the white house.
nyc ... He's a joker, he's a smoker ... he's a midnight toker ... oh, yeah ... a real gangster of love ...
66 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:41:17pm |
re: #63 itellu3times
OK, but basij on motorcycles seem an easy target for rocks, slingshots, umbrellas, oil slicks, and ten other easy weapons.
yes....a motorcycle is an opportunity...missed
67 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:41:38pm |
re: #63 itellu3times
OK, but basij on motorcycles seem an easy target for rocks, slingshots, umbrellas, oil slicks, and ten other easy weapons.
Cable cross the street, bike, uniforms, weapons......
69 | itellu3times Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:42:50pm |
re: #67 jcm
Cable cross the street, bike, uniforms, weapons......
laser in the eyes
heck, water balloons
70 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:02pm |
There are ways for a carefully laid ambush by an unarmed but well-motivated group to overwhelm a small security detachment and take its weapons. This is especially true if the security types are inadequately trained and disciplined. There would be losses, but it need not be a bloodbath.
71 | itellu3times Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:13pm |
72 | skull4me Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:38pm |
I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.
73 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:13pm |
re: #64 crazytraveler
My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Iran. All these people want are fair elections, an when they complain to the US, our President is going out for ice cream. Sends a strong signal to them that we're going to let them hang out to dry and be slaughtered.
remeember GB reading a book to the school kids on 9/11, and all the shit he took for that?
74 | Blackacre Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:44pm |
News flash: "Obama seen with cup of frozen custard."
That sums it up on so many levels.
75 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:54pm |
re: #70 Shiplord Kirel
There are ways for carefully laid ambush by an unarmed but well-motivated group to overwhelm a small security detachment and take its weapons. This is especially true if the security types are inadequately trained and disciplined. There would be losses, but it need not be a bloodbath.
You slowly trade up:
Rock -> Baton -> Rifle -> Rocket launcher -> Tank -> Platoon -> Brigade -> Army -> Country.
76 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:45:29pm |
re: #75 jcm
You slowly trade up:
Rock -> Baton -> Rifle -> Rocket launcher -> Tank -> Platoon -> Brigade -> Army -> Country.
nice
77 | DEZes Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:45:43pm |
re: #72 skull4me
I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.
I wish you could kick the tires and light the fires.
Obama is not gonna give the order.
78 | crazytraveler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:46:12pm |
re: #73 albusteve
remeember GB reading a book to the school kids on 9/11, and all the shit he took for that?
But this is different! He's being a good father!
/
79 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:46:37pm |
re: #72 skull4me
I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.
I got an M-14 in closet, give me a designator I'll be your FAC.
I'll bet a few Spec Ops guys share your sentiments.
80 | itellu3times Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:02pm |
re: #78 crazytraveler
But this is different! He's being a good father!
/
feeding his kids butterfat and sugar, better get it in now, will probably be illegal under his new health care regime.
81 | mystry Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:05pm |
#43 It is my understanding that the government has shut down all cell towers, twitters, etc. Anything electronic cannot get out because it does not work. For a protest to work, they must communicate with each other. Simple. Break them up into small groups, and they lose their numeric advantage.
82 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:15pm |
It will help that an indefinite but possibly substantial number of Basij and regular troops might be inclined to switch sides when the going gets rough.
83 | SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:16pm |
re: #72 skull4me
I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.
Hope you have some cards or something to pass the time.
Bless ya.
84 | skull4me Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:40pm |
re: #79 jcm
Ghawd... let me at 'em... my blood is boiling right now after seeing the video of that young girl shot in the chest.
85 | WK Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:48pm |
Can someone explain to the One that putting out a memo warning the ayatollahs that the world watching them doesn't carry any water when he's grilling with Bobby Flay and buying his fleabag frozen pops...
86 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:54pm |
posting on a barrowed laptop....very difficult for me...got a bad E key as well....not used to this finger pad thing
87 | nyc redneck Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:48:46pm |
re: #36 SasquatchOnSteroids
'rt @persiankiwi Mousavi: we have gone too far to stop now - #Iranelection'
you can feel the growing tension.
political movements like this take on a life of their own.
this explosive energy has been building for so many years in the hearts and minds of these people. and they are in the streets w/ a sense of commitment and urgency that surely has stunned the mullahs.
especially w/ all the information getting out and the world looking closely, some of these thugs must be pissing down their legs not sure exactly what to do.
they know there will be change in iran, if not now, then soon.
there days of tyranny are coming to an end.
88 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:48:53pm |
re: #79 jcm
I got an M-14 in closet, give me a designator I'll be your FAC.
I'll bet a few Spec Ops guys share your sentiments.
drool
90 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:51:27pm |
imagine Iran/Iraq as unified and friendly democratic neighbors...whoa
91 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:52:54pm |
re: #89 jcm
Troy aluminum chassis, Trijicon ACOG sights.
now your just rubbing it in ya braggart....I have my Steoger and 300 rounds....come a little closer!
92 | MrPaulRevere Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:02pm |
Someone posted earlier the Pat Buchanan is heaping praise on Obama for his handling on the situation, as is Andrew Sullivan (no surprise there). Apparently hatred of the neocon's makes for some very strange political bedfellows, as Charles has noted.
93 | skull4me Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:52pm |
re: #90 albusteve
Imagine the 2nd Marine Division heading towards downtown Tehran right now with dozens of F-18s in support.
94 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:54pm |
Some months ago, an Al Quds affiliate in Iraq kidnapped 5 British contractors and offered to release them in exchange for a convicted terrorist. The latter was duly released. Today, the terrorists handed over 2 mutilated bodies, apparently as their end of the bargain. This kind of sadistic taunting is an Iranian trademark, well-known from the calculated barbarism of their Hezbollah slaves in Lebanon. They probably think it is very funny that they didn't spell out "unharmed" during the negotiations.
Fear Iraq bodies are UK hostages
95 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:57pm |
re: #84 skull4me
Ghawd... let me at 'em... my blood is boiling right now after seeing the video of that young girl shot in the chest.
I hear you. I grew up there lots of friends. Some who've died at the hands of the Mullahs.
But I think the Iranians have to do this one. As much as I'd light for a JDAM to visit the mad mullahs.
96 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:55:07pm |
re: #91 albusteve
now your just rubbing it in ya braggart....I have my Steoger and 300 rounds....come a little closer!
LOL!
97 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:55:34pm |
re: #93 skull4me
Imagine the 2nd Marine Division heading towards downtown Tehran right now with dozens of F-18s in support.
my dad was 2d...alas that ain't gonna happen
98 | skull4me Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:27pm |
re: #95 jcm
You're right... the Persians are a wonderful people. Beautiful inside and out.
99 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:32pm |
re: #94 Shiplord Kirel
In an alternate universe, Gordon Brown would have the guts to send the SAS after the Al Quds gang and the released terrorist and slaughter them like pigs.
101 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:57:50pm |
re: #93 skull4me
Imagine the 2nd Marine Division heading towards downtown Tehran right now with dozens of F-18s in support.
Any of the Tomcats Iran has still airworthy?
They claim to have a bunch still in the air.
102 | skull4me Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:58:08pm |
re: #97 albusteve
God Bless your Dad... and God bless those brave young people in Iran. My heart weeps for them.
103 | skull4me Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:00:26pm |
re: #101 jcm
One of two are operational... but they would never go airborne against a US threat. They run like lemmings everytime we catch them airborne over the persian gulf.
104 | justdanny Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:00:54pm |
I know a lot of you dont want to hear this and many won't believe this, but if the US so much as rattles a blade right now the revolutionaries on the streets in Iran will stop and give up and go home.
You have to have some kind of understanding of the abuse the US has showered on the Iranians in the past. Prior to the 79 revolution and then again with support for Saddam.
After we removed Mohammad Mosaddeq, though Iranians may love us ideally as a statement of freedom, they have been wary of any interference and will unite against us in one heartbeat.
Obamatron can eat his icecream and keep his mouth shut. We cannot have even a finger in this thing. The revolutionaries live or die by their own fortune.
105 | albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:01:02pm |
re: #102 skull4me
God Bless your Dad... and God bless those brave young people in Iran. My heart weeps for them.
and the same to you, flyboy....get some
106 | coldpizza Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:01:23pm |
Just thinking? Is it possible that this is exactly what the Regime wants, and Mousavi and Dinner Jacket are actually part of the same team. Deflecting away from their Nuke program, and giving the people a collation government in a few weeks? They could say "we hear the people" and some change is coming and it was all staged with the protesters not knowing they were pons? It crossed my mind a few times.
107 | nyc redneck Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:02:02pm |
re: #95 jcm
I hear you. I grew up there lots of friends. Some who've died at the hands of the Mullahs.
But I think the Iranians have to do this one. As much as I'd light for a JDAM to visit the mad mullahs.
they are asking for help. we should have people there working w/ them.
108 | livefreeor die Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:02:32pm |
re: #107 nyc redneck
they are asking for help. we should have people there working w/ them.
I wonder what the Mossad is up to right about now.
109 | jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:05:08pm |
re: #103 skull4me
One of two are operational... but they would never go airborne against a US threat. They run like lemmings everytime we catch them airborne over the persian gulf.
Based on this video, I think they have training issues too. Poor approach and no recovery...
110 | jayzee Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:05:56pm |
The only way this revolution, which appears to be becoming more about democracy and not Moussavi (and therefore smaller apparently) will succeed is with western intervention. Covert most likely. I don't think it will come from the US-Obama will not jeopardize his perceived ability to negotiate with Ahmadinejad over this. The Israelis might however. If we start to hear reports of sabotage, it could be on, but I am doubtful unfortunately.
111 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:07:35pm |
re: #104 justdanny
I know a lot of you dont want to hear this and many won't believe this, but if the US so much as rattles a blade right now the revolutionaries on the streets in Iran will stop and give up and go home.
You have to have some kind of understanding of the abuse the US has showered on the Iranians in the past. Prior to the 79 revolution and then again with support for Saddam.
After we removed Mohammad Mosaddeq, though Iranians may love us ideally as a statement of freedom, they have been wary of any interference and will unite against us in one heartbeat.
Obamatron can eat his icecream and keep his mouth shut. We cannot have even a finger in this thing. The revolutionaries live or die by their own fortune.
Really? Unlike the American media, many Iranians know the truth about the Shah, our relationship with him, and about Mossadegh. The latter was a communist and, whatever the extent of his popular support, it certainly did not come from the Islamists who currently run Iran. Their predecessors, in fact, were in the vanguard of the CIA-financed uprising that removed him.
113 | Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:12:50pm |
re: #104 justdanny
I know a lot of you dont want to hear this and many won't believe this, but if the US so much as rattles a blade right now the revolutionaries on the streets in Iran will stop and give up and go home.
What we want or believe is immaterial, so let's just focus on why US support to some level will cause all these protesters to go home. Please elaborate. Many are too young to remember the fall of the Shah or his rule, are more worldly and tech savvy.
114 | DEZes Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:13:35pm |
116 | Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:17:09pm |
re: #110 jayzee
The only way this revolution, which appears to be becoming more about democracy and not Moussavi ....
It's mainly anti-government/mullacracy, Mousavi represents change though he's no savior. Since Obama is so good with rhetoric, maybe it's time to use some.
117 | Dad O' Blondes Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:17:48pm |
"WHERE IS MY VOTE?"
I love that.
Those signs are in English -- they're talking to us.
.
118 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:20:17pm |
Sharmuta has posted this song before. Though its about Northern Ireland, it serves to express the pain the Basiji's repression causes:
Sunday, Bloody Sunday:
119 | jayzee Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:21:04pm |
re: #116 BigPapa
It's mainly anti-government/mullacracy, Mousavi represents change though he's no savior. Since Obama is so good with rhetoric, maybe it's time to use some.
I agree it started that way and why most were involved, but those on the streets today seem to be looking for something else. Moussavi is just like Ahmedinejad (without the black hat) agreed, but I just think there is something else happening that COULD be capitalized on, but probably won't.
120 | jayzee Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:22:37pm |
I wonder if any of Ali Reza Asghari's friends have been turned and lie in wait?
121 | Karridine Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:24:50pm |
re: #1 Sharmuta
God be with the people of Iran.
God CAME to the people of Iran, and they ignored Him, beat Him, imprisoned Him, tried to kill Him with Christians (and failed) so they killed Him with 750 Muslim riflemen...
Then slaughtered 20,000 of the men, women and children who loved God and obeyed Him...
May the people of Iran SEE God, with their own eyes...
122 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:25:20pm |
Mossadegh's conflict with the Shah may have had a basis other than simple concern for the people. Though seldom mentioned by his leftist apologists, he was a member of the Qajar family, the ruling dynasty that had been displaced by the Shah's low-born father in a revolution in the 1920s, and was in fact the nephew of Mozaffar al-Din Shah Qajar, who reigned from 1896 to 1907.
123 | Mr Spiffy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:26:18pm |
re: #10 Shug
Where is Medea Benjamin's big yapper in all of this ?
I hope you were talking about her mouth...
124 | The Left Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:26:56pm |
re: #92 MrPaulRevere
Someone posted earlier the Pat Buchanan is heaping praise on Obama for his handling on the situation, as is Andrew Sullivan (no surprise there). Apparently hatred of the neocon's makes for some very strange political bedfellows, as Charles has noted.
Meh, Sullivan was hating on Obama for his handling of it earlier in the week. I hadn't heard this about Pat Buchanan though. Weird.
125 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:32:35pm |
re: #121 Karridine
God CAME to the people of Iran, and they ignored Him, beat Him, imprisoned Him, tried to kill Him with Christians (and failed) so they killed Him with 750 Muslim riflemen...
Then slaughtered 20,000 of the men, women and children who loved God and obeyed Him...
May the people of Iran SEE God, with their own eyes...
And may He deliver them from evil.
126 | jvic Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:34:21pm |
128 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:46:09pm |
129 | horse Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:56:26pm |
re: #72 skull4me
I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.
The ones in Iran or the ones in DC?
/sarc... kind of...
130 | Karridine Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:00:14pm |
re: #125 Dark_Falcon
And may He deliver them from evil.
When an All-Loving, Wise Father says, "No, tasting THIS cup is BITTER, you don't want to taste THIS cup..." He is NOT punishing those who, for whatever reasons, INSIST ON tasting THIS cup!
If God has been present, since May 23, 1844 to tell all Iranians with ears to hear what God wants, then turning away from that course can be seen as Divine Retribution... something the Iranians called down on themselves, now that their scorned One rests atop God's Holy Mount Carmel, in Haifa Israel...
131 | horse Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:04:48pm |
re: #117 Dad O' Blondes
"WHERE IS MY VOTE?"
I love that.
Those signs are in English -- they're talking to us.
.
I imagine some of our military service members serving overseas could hold the same sign,... if it were permissible.
132 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:09:22pm |
re: #10 Shug
Where is Medea Benjamin's big yapper in all of this ?
I think even Medea Benjamin can probably see that this is not the time to show up wearing a pink tutu and a sparkly princess tiara.
133 | JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:10:06pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
I think even Medea Benjamin can probably see that this is not the time to show up wearing a pink tutu and a sparkly princess tiara.
SFZ ... she loaned it to Rahm ... crisis not to go to waste and all ...
134 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:11:40pm |
re: #17 nyc redneck
code pink was there recently praising the thugs and murderers.
and will return soon and meddle on behalf of the dictatorial regime.
Link? I saw the pictures of them in Egypt, which was weird enough. Sandmonkey thought they were funny, though.
135 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:13:06pm |
re: #27 solomonpanting
Mullahs: "He's on our side."
"I'd say you've been misinformed." (What was that movie? Old train robbers get out of prison, and decide to pull off one last job...)
136 | Salem Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:22:19pm |
re: #106 coldpizza
Just thinking? Is it possible that this is exactly what the Regime wants, and Mousavi and Dinner Jacket are actually part of the same team. Deflecting away from their Nuke program, and giving the people a collation government in a few weeks? They could say "we hear the people" and some change is coming and it was all staged with the protesters not knowing they were pons? It crossed my mind a few times.
Distraction might be a beneficial side-effect for the mullahs but this is bigger than Mousavi. The regime obviously doesn't have things under that degree of control that they can just have a convenient faux-revolution and then whistle the dogs home when it's over.
137 | Karridine Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:33:57pm |
re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist
I know that one... GREAT CRASHING STEAM TRAIN scene at the end? Burt Lancaster and others?
138 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:38:26pm |
re: #137 Karridine
I know that one... GREAT CRASHING STEAM TRAIN scene at the end? Burt Lancaster and others?
Yes, that one. What was its name?
139 | Robert O. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:39:54pm |
On one of my friend's Facebook, I just saw a video of a young Iranian woman shot to death by the Basij. In the description it said she died in less than 2 minutes, it is one of the worst things I've seen.
F*&^ the mullahs!
140 | Sloppy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:59:21pm |
IIRC, the movie we're talking about was "Tough Guys," with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas.
142 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:12:02pm |
143 | MarineMomSue Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:14:21pm |
re: #80 itellu3times
feeding his kids butterfat and sugar, better get it in now, will probably be illegal under his new health care regime.
for everybody but him and his kids...
144 | justdanny Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:17:53pm |
re: #113 BigPapa
What we want or believe is immaterial, so let's just focus on why US support to some level will cause all these protesters to go home. Please elaborate. Many are too young to remember the fall of the Shah or his rule, are more worldly and tech savvy.
All I know is what I have been told again and again and again from many Iranians on both sides over there. Which is if America injects itself into Irans affairs, all Iranians will unite against the foreign threat.
I cant explain how deep their distrust of foreign powers goes. I do know that they like Obama. I do know that they love America, the idea. The US and Britain have done too much to hurt Iran over the years. Parents and grandparents know and tell all of the stories. Families in Iran are closer than in most places. Family life replaces what most of the world finds in social life.
Nobody should take my word for it. Over the last seven years I have grown way too close to Iranians to be objective about many things concerning them. The current monster regimes strongest propaganda tool right now is claiming or fabricating proof that the US or britain is somehow involved in this revolution.
Iranians feel and to some degee know that they are alone in this. The signs they carry written in english I view as a sign to us that they are doing this, not us. That they want us to watch and be proud of them.
And we are watching. And we are proud of them. And I well up just writing that.
145 | Karridine Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:29:28pm |
re: #144 justdanny
There is MUCH WISDOM in your observations, JustDanny...
Other commenters here were trying to say, "Align with and screw up!" and they were down-dinged and ridiculed soundly...
But those controlling the media (to whatever extent) WANT TO DIVERT Iranian attention from the real issues, and will use every lying, dissembling, twisting tactic at their disposal, including Twitter, to divert and dis-unite... thence to UNITE against 'our common enemy'... (democracy and freedom of choice)
146 | Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:30:41pm |
re: #144 justdanny
I cant explain how deep their distrust of foreign powers goes. I do know that they like Obama. I do know that they love America, the idea.
Sustained rhetoric of a stronger message from Obama is what is needed here and now. That's not necessarily 'injecting' the US into Iranian politics. There's many ways to play this without going Bay of Pigs or supplying people or supplies there.
147 | Mich-again Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:32:54pm |
re: #144 justdanny
That they want us to watch and be proud of them.
I am. To want freedom that much. How many of us know what that even means.
148 | Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:37:32pm |
I've seen a couple of comments about blockade or tactical strikes of nuclear facilities. That's getting involved but this is not the time for this. What's frustrating is Obama is good at rhetoric, yet he's not using it to maximum impact.
149 | Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:40:03pm |
re: #145 Karridine
Other commenter's here were trying to say, "Align with and screw up!" and they were down-dinged and ridiculed soundly...
I didn't see that. The neg Karm was for Kerry-esque non-meddling equivocation with some condescension thrown in for measure.
150 | SuperdaveTWC Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:26:27pm |
Um...
Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I smell a fake! I truly understand and acknowledge the fact that Iran's "leaders" are engaging in coordinated and top-down sanctioned programs of killing and beating and terrorizing their subjects into submission, but I believe that the video which precipitated this thread may have been staged. Fauxtography works both ways, and it is practiced by people with both god and evil intentions. Often times, people get too intent on the ends and lose focus on the means.
151 | SuperdaveTWC Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:27:26pm |
oops! "...good and evil..." not "...god and evil..."
152 | Karridine Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:27:43pm |
re: #149 BigPapa
A couple days earlier, BigPapa... as this was breaking... not today.
153 | Karridine Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:29:26pm |
re: #151 SuperdaveTWC
oops! "...good and evil..." not "...god and evil..."
Same thing... linguistically, our word GOOD is actually DERIVED FROM "God"
Good God, God is Good, Gott-gutt... God is the All-Loving, All-Knowing GOOD
154 | Joo-LiZ Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:50:37pm |
Video of the Basiji HQ Gas explosion... 5 Basiji dead, apparently.
155 | Joo-LiZ Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:51:53pm |
re: #150 SuperdaveTWC
Um...
Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I smell a fake! I truly understand and acknowledge the fact that Iran's "leaders" are engaging in coordinated and top-down sanctioned programs of killing and beating and terrorizing their subjects into submission, but I believe that the video which precipitated this thread may have been staged. Fauxtography works both ways, and it is practiced by people with both god and evil intentions. Often times, people get too intent on the ends and lose focus on the means.
Look through some of the other videos posted since, and it is very clear the situation doesn't need fauxtography to sell their points.
156 | Kobalt Sun, Jun 21, 2009 10:52:07am |
Obama is doing the exact same thing to the Iranian people that Carter did in 1979....NOTHING. Our president is a coward.