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1 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:00:21pm

God be with the people of Iran.

2 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:02:08pm

I hope that young man is alright.

3 Ateam  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:03:05pm

Oh, how cruel and unpredictable

4 callahan23  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:03:12pm

The protesters in the streets of Teheran are currently the bravest people on earth.

5 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:03:43pm

All societies have a breaking point. How long until Iran reaches its own?

6 swami  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:06pm

Do we know what--exactly--the protesters want, and that it would be better for our interests than what's there now?
Are they pro-Western or simply anti-Iranian military dictatorship? I haven't heard that they want to overthrow the whole mullah mess.

7 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:34pm

Justice for those who shed blood seeking freedom.

8 Wendya  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:43pm

re: #5 solomonpanting

I'm guessing they're heading there now.

9 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:05:14pm

Al though this is a new angle, I'm pretty sure this is the Basij compound killing from a few days ago. You catch a glimpse of the guy on the goof with the AK, and I seem to remember the blood stained taxi in other clips.

10 Shug  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:05:33pm

Where is Medea Benjamin's big yapper in all of this ?

11 Shug  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:05:58pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

I hope that young man is alright.

Is this the same person who we saw dead earlier today in another video?

12 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:06:29pm

re: #6 swami

Do we know what--exactly--the protesters want, and that it would be better for our interests than what's there now?
Are they pro-Western or simply anti-Iranian military dictatorship? I haven't heard that they want to overthrow the whole mullah mess.

It's at that point, getting rid of the Mullahs.

Many of the young people want a western style democracy.

13 ladycatnip  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:07:03pm

Where's our great leader who promised to bring peace to the ME through sitting down with these thugs and chatting over a cup of tea? His continued silence becomes a tacit approval of theocratic dictatorships.

14 Bloodnok  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:07:48pm

re: #4 callahan23

The protesters in the streets of Teheran are currently the bravest people on earth.

I agree. In all of these videos you will see people coming to carry off the victims without caring that they are in the line of fire. You don't even see them look to see where the gunman is. They just GO. Men, women, young, old. It really is something.

Just the fact that they're out there at all with the full knowledge of what their government is capable of is incredibly courageous.

15 Shug  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:09:35pm

re: #13 ladycatnip

Where's our great leader who promised to bring peace to the ME through sitting down with these thugs and chatting over a cup of tea? His continued silence becomes a tacit approval of theocratic dictatorships.

Frozen. custard

16 freetoken  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:10:22pm

KT proved prescient.

17 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:10:46pm

re: #10 Shug

Where is Medea Benjamin's big yapper in all of this ?

code pink was there recently praising the thugs and murderers.
and will return soon and meddle on behalf of the dictatorial regime.

18 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:12pm

re: #17 nyc redneck

code pink was there recently praising the thugs and murderers.
and will return soon and meddle on behalf of the dictatorial regime.

They've also been in Egypt recently.

19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:18pm

re: #14 Bloodnok

I'm starting to get a little concerned that this might all collapse. I don't know how much longer they can throw stones and get shot. The Basij has no problem doing it and there aren't any signs yet of the military joining the protesters. Maybe if there's a national strike they can shut down the economy and force a regime change. Right now the protesters are so outgunned that I'm getting worried.

20 Shug  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:26pm

re: #17 nyc redneck

code pink was there recently praising the thugs and murderers.
and will return soon and meddle on behalf of the dictatorial regime.

disgusting hag

21 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:12:26pm

re: #16 freetoken

Let me google that word and I'll get back to you.

22 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:13:32pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Let me google that word and I'll get back to you.

foretelling the future.

23 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:13:58pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

I'm starting to get a little concerned that this might all collapse. I don't know how much longer they can throw stones and get shot. The Basij has no problem doing it and there aren't any signs yet of the military joining the protesters. Maybe if there's a national strike they can shut down the economy and force a regime change. Right now the protesters are so outgunned that I'm getting worried.

seems like they spend alot of time with thir cameras and less fighting off the govt troops....no way to toss a street fight imo

24 callahan23  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:00pm

re: #14 Bloodnok

I agree. In all of these videos you will see people coming to carry off the victims without caring that they are in the line of fire. You don't even see them look to see where the gunman is. They just GO. Men, women, young, old. It really is something.

Just the fact that they're out there at all with the full knowledge of what their government is capable of is incredibly courageous.

When the shots are being fired the people continued to walk towards the danger. They are incredibly courageous and also very desperate about their government regime to be able to do such.
As was also visible on the video three threads ago.

25 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:06pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

foretelling the future.

I knew you were going to say that.

26 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:17pm

it's almost like we don't have a president.
just some joker who has been given the keys to the white house.

27 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:20pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

God be with the people of Iran.

Mullahs: "He's on our side."

28 snowcrash  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:45pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout
Dictionary dot coms word of the day a few days ago too!

29 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:04pm

re: #23 albusteve

seems like they spend alot of time with thir cameras and less fighting off the govt troops....no way to toss a street fight imo

You might be right. A revolution needs more than martyrs.

30 justdanny  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:22pm

I keep crying about this damn thing. Its been days since I heard from my friends. I have some in betweens in Spain and Germany but the news of my friends moves so slow. I can't call in. They can't call out. The last I heard from my friend S. was from the background of a video shot from the roof of her home, as basiji attacked her neighbrs on the street below. Apparently my friends have barricaded all of the doors from the inside and moved all essentials to their roof.

31 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:36pm

re: #26 nyc redneck

He's an ice cream eater!

32 Macker  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:16:02pm

re: #27 solomonpanting

Mullahs: "He's on our side."

MOGH BAR MULLAHS!

33 Ateam  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:16:04pm

re: #4 callahan23

The protesters in the streets of Teheran are currently the bravest people on earth.

Excuse me, but exuse more from Bangala-dech cumulation numbers - more then 120 millions ppl are going to suffer a Sauveur shortness of foods near the years to cone.

34 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:17:16pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I knew you were going to say that.

See?
Prescient you are.

35 justdanny  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:17:16pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

They aren't just outgunned. They are without guns totally.

36 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:18:28pm

'rt @persiankiwi Mousavi: we have gone too far to stop now - #Iranelection'

37 The Other Les  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:18:50pm

re: #13 ladycatnip

Where's our great leader who promised to bring peace to the ME through sitting down with these thugs and chatting over a cup of tea? His continued silence becomes a tacit approval of theocratic dictatorships.

Our "great leader" is a socialist. Socialists are by necessity practitioners of tyranny, so their sympathies are usually with the tyrants.

Scratch a "progressive" and you will usually find a tyrannophile.

38 LSD  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:20:02pm

Sunday Bloody Sunday Iran

39 PISSED  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:25:02pm

re: #4 callahan23

Braver MUCH braver than POTUS.

40 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:25:18pm

That fat bastard on the roof with the AK-47 will undoubtedly get a promotion out of all this. Pretty sick stuff if you ask me.

41 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:26:38pm

re: #40 MrPaulRevere

That fat bastard on the roof with the AK-47 will undoubtedly get a promotion out of all this. Pretty sick stuff if you ask me.

Or a rope on lightpost......

42 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:27:06pm

re: #36 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hmmmm....

43 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:02pm

their strength is in their numbers....thy should pick a target and mob up, press relentlessly until they are either shot to pieces or disperse the bad guys....very bloody but what is the alternative?....falling back into small roving bands tossing rocks is exactly thee wrong thing to do....if you want it, take the fight right at th guns and get it over with one way or another

44 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:08pm

[Link: twitter.com...]

It seems Tehran 2009 = Beijing 1989
45 mystry  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:57pm

If the Iranian Government falls, the Mullah's also go down. They ARE the government. For the people, by the people. The Theocratic system will not go down without a stiff fight. That is what is going on right now. The people may not want Democracy as we know it. But they do not want this repressive regime any more!

46 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:30:04pm

re: #43 albusteve

easy for me to say

47 callahan23  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:30:11pm

re: #38 LSD

Sunday Bloody Sunday Iran

[Video]

THE most heart wrenching video that has been posted today was from your comment three threads ago.

"Please Post this video. This is GRAPHIC.
It is horrible but shows the ruthlessness of the Basij militia. They shoot and murder a girl who dies in her fathers arms..."


48 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:30:52pm

re: #46 albusteve

yeah

but what you see is the lack of goals, not so much the lack of tactics

imho

49 MJ  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:31:34pm

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Martin Kramer has a few choice words on Obama:

Obama's Middle East map in shreds

posted Saturday, 20 June 2009

There is nothing at all surprising about Barack Obama's reluctance to embrace the surge for freedom in Iran. As I've shown, he received his primer on the Middle East from Rashid Khalidi, who facilitated Obama's formation as a Palestine-centric Third Worldist. In this view of things, only the situation of the Palestinians deserves to be described as "intolerable" —the word Obama used in Cairo—and action is promised only to them. Iranians are defrauded and assaulted by the bizarre dictatorship of the "Supreme Leader" and his Basiji minions? America, Obama says, is "watching." Why? Obama's master plan for the Middle East is supposed to commence with his entry to Jerusalem as the messiah of peace, godfather of the Palestinian state. Everything is supposed to follow from that.

Well, the Middle East doesn't revolve around the Palestinians, and young Iranians don't intend to wait for Mahmoud Abbas (emir of Ramallah, where there is a "good reality") to get off his derrière before demanding their freedom. Iranians rightly think they're no less worthy of the world's sympathy than the Palestinians. (One of the chants of Iran's protesters: Mardom chera neshastin, Iran shode Felestin! "People, why are you sitting down? Iran has become Palestine!") Events in Iran have left Obama's simplistic mental map of the Middle East, first learned from a few Palestinian activists and an old Hyde Park rabbi, in shreds....


Rest here:
[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

50 callahan23  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:32:23pm

re: #47 callahan23

I wept.

51 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:32:31pm

Marked for Death by Twitter: Social-networking sites are being celebrated as conduits for information out of Iran. But with the supreme leader vowing to punish dissidents, these digital footprints could prove deadly. [Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

52 ladycatnip  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:33:21pm

#26 nyc redneck

it's almost like we don't have a president.
just some joker who has been given the keys to the their white house.

fify

53 justdanny  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:33:58pm

If they hurt my friend
......

54 LSD  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:35:04pm

The young woman murdered on video by the Basij today
was named "Neda" - which means "Voice" or "Call"

55 callahan23  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:35:23pm

re: #53 justdanny

If they hurt my friend
......

And mine.
A student and friend of mine.
..... ..... .....

56 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:36:24pm

bulletin: pat buchanan on Maclauglin praises Obama's handling of Iran.

nuff said

57 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:36:26pm

whatever else, BO has dug a hole for himself...and I suppose he is gonna get socked relentlessly for his limp wristed handling of this thing and he should imo...wtf is he gonna say when the smoke clears?

58 DEZes  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:37:05pm

This people, is why you never surrender the right to bear arms.

59 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:37:11pm

Ugh.....
Sunday Morning in Iran, A Letter from Mousavi’s Office

I’ve received what purports to be a statement from Mousavi’s Office in Tehran. Like everyone else covering the revolution, I get a lot of material that can’t be authenticated, and one must always take such material with a healthy dose of skepticism. That said, the person who sent this to me is undoubtedly in touch with the Mousavi people on the ground, that much is certain. His information has been proven reliable throughout this period. So while the following open letter carefully puts distance between the author(s) and Mousavi himself, I am quite sure that at a minimum it accurately reflects the state of mind of the Mousavi people.

So here you go:


Fake but accurate!

60 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:37:50pm

Basij is essentially the grass-roots auxiliary of the Iran Revolutionary Guards, parent organization of the vile Al Quds terror force. As such, they are both the most visible and, individually, the most vulnerable, component of the oppressor regime.
If the mullahs fall, the Basij are dead men and they know it.

61 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:39:18pm

re: #58 DEZes

This people, is why you never surrender the right to bear arms.

I hit the + 10 times. Gray or not.
A big AMEN.

62 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:39:50pm

the people needed to fight the basji to a draw today and I don't think they did...they will pay in spades for their 'insolance'

63 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:15pm

re: #58 DEZes

This people, is why you never surrender the right to bear arms.

OK, but basij on motorcycles seem an easy target for rocks, slingshots, umbrellas, oil slicks, and ten other easy weapons.

64 crazytraveler  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:40pm

My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Iran. All these people want are fair elections, an when they complain to the US, our President is going out for ice cream. Sends a strong signal to them that we're going to let them hang out to dry and be slaughtered.

65 JacksonTn  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:43pm

re: #26 nyc redneck

it's almost like we don't have a president.
just some joker who has been given the keys to the white house.

nyc ... He's a joker, he's a smoker ... he's a midnight toker ... oh, yeah ... a real gangster of love ...

66 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:41:17pm

re: #63 itellu3times

OK, but basij on motorcycles seem an easy target for rocks, slingshots, umbrellas, oil slicks, and ten other easy weapons.

yes....a motorcycle is an opportunity...missed

67 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:41:38pm

re: #63 itellu3times

OK, but basij on motorcycles seem an easy target for rocks, slingshots, umbrellas, oil slicks, and ten other easy weapons.

Cable cross the street, bike, uniforms, weapons......

68 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:41:57pm

re: #65 JacksonTn

Maurice!

69 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:42:50pm

re: #67 jcm

Cable cross the street, bike, uniforms, weapons......

laser in the eyes

heck, water balloons

70 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:02pm

There are ways for a carefully laid ambush by an unarmed but well-motivated group to overwhelm a small security detachment and take its weapons. This is especially true if the security types are inadequately trained and disciplined. There would be losses, but it need not be a bloodbath.

71 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:13pm

re: #68 albusteve

Maurice!

he speaks of the pompotus of hope and change

72 skull4me  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:38pm

I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.

73 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:13pm

re: #64 crazytraveler

My thoughts and prayers are with the people of Iran. All these people want are fair elections, an when they complain to the US, our President is going out for ice cream. Sends a strong signal to them that we're going to let them hang out to dry and be slaughtered.

remeember GB reading a book to the school kids on 9/11, and all the shit he took for that?

74 Blackacre  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:44pm

News flash: "Obama seen with cup of frozen custard."

That sums it up on so many levels.

75 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:54pm

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel

There are ways for carefully laid ambush by an unarmed but well-motivated group to overwhelm a small security detachment and take its weapons. This is especially true if the security types are inadequately trained and disciplined. There would be losses, but it need not be a bloodbath.

You slowly trade up:
Rock -> Baton -> Rifle -> Rocket launcher -> Tank -> Platoon -> Brigade -> Army -> Country.

76 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:45:29pm

re: #75 jcm

You slowly trade up:
Rock -> Baton -> Rifle -> Rocket launcher -> Tank -> Platoon -> Brigade -> Army -> Country.

nice

77 DEZes  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:45:43pm

re: #72 skull4me

I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.

I wish you could kick the tires and light the fires.
Obama is not gonna give the order.

78 crazytraveler  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:46:12pm

re: #73 albusteve

remeember GB reading a book to the school kids on 9/11, and all the shit he took for that?

But this is different! He's being a good father!

/

79 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:46:37pm

re: #72 skull4me

I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.

I got an M-14 in closet, give me a designator I'll be your FAC.

I'll bet a few Spec Ops guys share your sentiments.

80 itellu3times  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:02pm

re: #78 crazytraveler

But this is different! He's being a good father!

/

feeding his kids butterfat and sugar, better get it in now, will probably be illegal under his new health care regime.

81 mystry  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:05pm

#43 It is my understanding that the government has shut down all cell towers, twitters, etc. Anything electronic cannot get out because it does not work. For a protest to work, they must communicate with each other. Simple. Break them up into small groups, and they lose their numeric advantage.

82 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:15pm

It will help that an indefinite but possibly substantial number of Basij and regular troops might be inclined to switch sides when the going gets rough.

83 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:16pm

re: #72 skull4me

I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.

Hope you have some cards or something to pass the time.
Bless ya.

84 skull4me  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:40pm

re: #79 jcm
Ghawd... let me at 'em... my blood is boiling right now after seeing the video of that young girl shot in the chest.

85 WK  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:48pm

Can someone explain to the One that putting out a memo warning the ayatollahs that the world watching them doesn't carry any water when he's grilling with Bobby Flay and buying his fleabag frozen pops...

86 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:54pm

posting on a barrowed laptop....very difficult for me...got a bad E key as well....not used to this finger pad thing

87 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:48:46pm

re: #36 SasquatchOnSteroids

'rt @persiankiwi Mousavi: we have gone too far to stop now - #Iranelection'

you can feel the growing tension.
political movements like this take on a life of their own.
this explosive energy has been building for so many years in the hearts and minds of these people. and they are in the streets w/ a sense of commitment and urgency that surely has stunned the mullahs.
especially w/ all the information getting out and the world looking closely, some of these thugs must be pissing down their legs not sure exactly what to do.
they know there will be change in iran, if not now, then soon.
there days of tyranny are coming to an end.

88 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:48:53pm

re: #79 jcm

I got an M-14 in closet, give me a designator I'll be your FAC.

I'll bet a few Spec Ops guys share your sentiments.

drool

89 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:50:12pm

re: #88 albusteve

drool

Troy aluminum chassis, Trijicon ACOG sights.

90 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:51:27pm

imagine Iran/Iraq as unified and friendly democratic neighbors...whoa

91 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:52:54pm

re: #89 jcm

Troy aluminum chassis, Trijicon ACOG sights.

now your just rubbing it in ya braggart....I have my Steoger and 300 rounds....come a little closer!

92 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:02pm

Someone posted earlier the Pat Buchanan is heaping praise on Obama for his handling on the situation, as is Andrew Sullivan (no surprise there). Apparently hatred of the neocon's makes for some very strange political bedfellows, as Charles has noted.

93 skull4me  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:52pm

re: #90 albusteve
Imagine the 2nd Marine Division heading towards downtown Tehran right now with dozens of F-18s in support.

94 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:54pm

Some months ago, an Al Quds affiliate in Iraq kidnapped 5 British contractors and offered to release them in exchange for a convicted terrorist. The latter was duly released. Today, the terrorists handed over 2 mutilated bodies, apparently as their end of the bargain. This kind of sadistic taunting is an Iranian trademark, well-known from the calculated barbarism of their Hezbollah slaves in Lebanon. They probably think it is very funny that they didn't spell out "unharmed" during the negotiations.
Fear Iraq bodies are UK hostages

95 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:57pm

re: #84 skull4me

Ghawd... let me at 'em... my blood is boiling right now after seeing the video of that young girl shot in the chest.

I hear you. I grew up there lots of friends. Some who've died at the hands of the Mullahs.

But I think the Iranians have to do this one. As much as I'd light for a JDAM to visit the mad mullahs.

96 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:55:07pm

re: #91 albusteve

now your just rubbing it in ya braggart....I have my Steoger and 300 rounds....come a little closer!

LOL!

97 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:55:34pm

re: #93 skull4me

Imagine the 2nd Marine Division heading towards downtown Tehran right now with dozens of F-18s in support.

my dad was 2d...alas that ain't gonna happen

98 skull4me  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:27pm

re: #95 jcm
You're right... the Persians are a wonderful people. Beautiful inside and out.

99 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:32pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel
In an alternate universe, Gordon Brown would have the guts to send the SAS after the Al Quds gang and the released terrorist and slaughter them like pigs.

100 livefreeor die  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:53pm

Has Dinnerjacket been spotted today?

101 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:57:50pm

re: #93 skull4me

Imagine the 2nd Marine Division heading towards downtown Tehran right now with dozens of F-18s in support.

Any of the Tomcats Iran has still airworthy?
They claim to have a bunch still in the air.

102 skull4me  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:58:08pm

re: #97 albusteve
God Bless your Dad... and God bless those brave young people in Iran. My heart weeps for them.

103 skull4me  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:00:26pm

re: #101 jcm
One of two are operational... but they would never go airborne against a US threat. They run like lemmings everytime we catch them airborne over the persian gulf.

104 justdanny  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:00:54pm

I know a lot of you dont want to hear this and many won't believe this, but if the US so much as rattles a blade right now the revolutionaries on the streets in Iran will stop and give up and go home.

You have to have some kind of understanding of the abuse the US has showered on the Iranians in the past. Prior to the 79 revolution and then again with support for Saddam.

After we removed Mohammad Mosaddeq, though Iranians may love us ideally as a statement of freedom, they have been wary of any interference and will unite against us in one heartbeat.

Obamatron can eat his icecream and keep his mouth shut. We cannot have even a finger in this thing. The revolutionaries live or die by their own fortune.

105 albusteve  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:01:02pm

re: #102 skull4me

God Bless your Dad... and God bless those brave young people in Iran. My heart weeps for them.

and the same to you, flyboy....get some

106 coldpizza  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:01:23pm

Just thinking? Is it possible that this is exactly what the Regime wants, and Mousavi and Dinner Jacket are actually part of the same team. Deflecting away from their Nuke program, and giving the people a collation government in a few weeks? They could say "we hear the people" and some change is coming and it was all staged with the protesters not knowing they were pons? It crossed my mind a few times.

107 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:02:02pm

re: #95 jcm

I hear you. I grew up there lots of friends. Some who've died at the hands of the Mullahs.

But I think the Iranians have to do this one. As much as I'd light for a JDAM to visit the mad mullahs.


they are asking for help. we should have people there working w/ them.

108 livefreeor die  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:02:32pm

re: #107 nyc redneck

they are asking for help. we should have people there working w/ them.

I wonder what the Mossad is up to right about now.

109 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:05:08pm

re: #103 skull4me

One of two are operational... but they would never go airborne against a US threat. They run like lemmings everytime we catch them airborne over the persian gulf.

Based on this video, I think they have training issues too. Poor approach and no recovery...

110 jayzee  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:05:56pm

The only way this revolution, which appears to be becoming more about democracy and not Moussavi (and therefore smaller apparently) will succeed is with western intervention. Covert most likely. I don't think it will come from the US-Obama will not jeopardize his perceived ability to negotiate with Ahmadinejad over this. The Israelis might however. If we start to hear reports of sabotage, it could be on, but I am doubtful unfortunately.

111 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:07:35pm

re: #104 justdanny

I know a lot of you dont want to hear this and many won't believe this, but if the US so much as rattles a blade right now the revolutionaries on the streets in Iran will stop and give up and go home.

You have to have some kind of understanding of the abuse the US has showered on the Iranians in the past. Prior to the 79 revolution and then again with support for Saddam.

After we removed Mohammad Mosaddeq, though Iranians may love us ideally as a statement of freedom, they have been wary of any interference and will unite against us in one heartbeat.

Obamatron can eat his icecream and keep his mouth shut. We cannot have even a finger in this thing. The revolutionaries live or die by their own fortune.

Really? Unlike the American media, many Iranians know the truth about the Shah, our relationship with him, and about Mossadegh. The latter was a communist and, whatever the extent of his popular support, it certainly did not come from the Islamists who currently run Iran. Their predecessors, in fact, were in the vanguard of the CIA-financed uprising that removed him.

112 skull4me  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:11:04pm

re: #109 jcm

that guy's ready for the carrier!

113 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:12:50pm

re: #104 justdanny

I know a lot of you dont want to hear this and many won't believe this, but if the US so much as rattles a blade right now the revolutionaries on the streets in Iran will stop and give up and go home.

What we want or believe is immaterial, so let's just focus on why US support to some level will cause all these protesters to go home. Please elaborate. Many are too young to remember the fall of the Shah or his rule, are more worldly and tech savvy.

114 DEZes  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:13:35pm

re: #112 skull4me

that guy's ready for the carrier!

Or the BBQ.

115 jcm  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:14:17pm

re: #112 skull4me

that guy's ready for the carrier!

LOL!

116 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:17:09pm

re: #110 jayzee

The only way this revolution, which appears to be becoming more about democracy and not Moussavi ....

It's mainly anti-government/mullacracy, Mousavi represents change though he's no savior. Since Obama is so good with rhetoric, maybe it's time to use some.

117 Dad O' Blondes  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:17:48pm

"WHERE IS MY VOTE?"

I love that.

Those signs are in English -- they're talking to us.

.

118 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:20:17pm

Sharmuta has posted this song before. Though its about Northern Ireland, it serves to express the pain the Basiji's repression causes:

Sunday, Bloody Sunday:

119 jayzee  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:21:04pm

re: #116 BigPapa

It's mainly anti-government/mullacracy, Mousavi represents change though he's no savior. Since Obama is so good with rhetoric, maybe it's time to use some.

I agree it started that way and why most were involved, but those on the streets today seem to be looking for something else. Moussavi is just like Ahmedinejad (without the black hat) agreed, but I just think there is something else happening that COULD be capitalized on, but probably won't.

120 jayzee  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:22:37pm

I wonder if any of Ali Reza Asghari's friends have been turned and lie in wait?

121 Karridine  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:24:50pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

God be with the people of Iran.

God CAME to the people of Iran, and they ignored Him, beat Him, imprisoned Him, tried to kill Him with Christians (and failed) so they killed Him with 750 Muslim riflemen...

Then slaughtered 20,000 of the men, women and children who loved God and obeyed Him...

May the people of Iran SEE God, with their own eyes...

122 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:25:20pm

Mossadegh's conflict with the Shah may have had a basis other than simple concern for the people. Though seldom mentioned by his leftist apologists, he was a member of the Qajar family, the ruling dynasty that had been displaced by the Shah's low-born father in a revolution in the 1920s, and was in fact the nephew of Mozaffar al-Din Shah Qajar, who reigned from 1896 to 1907.

123 Mr Spiffy  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:26:18pm

re: #10 Shug

Where is Medea Benjamin's big yapper in all of this ?

I hope you were talking about her mouth...

124 The Left  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:26:56pm

re: #92 MrPaulRevere

Someone posted earlier the Pat Buchanan is heaping praise on Obama for his handling on the situation, as is Andrew Sullivan (no surprise there). Apparently hatred of the neocon's makes for some very strange political bedfellows, as Charles has noted.

Meh, Sullivan was hating on Obama for his handling of it earlier in the week. I hadn't heard this about Pat Buchanan though. Weird.

125 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:32:35pm

re: #121 Karridine

God CAME to the people of Iran, and they ignored Him, beat Him, imprisoned Him, tried to kill Him with Christians (and failed) so they killed Him with 750 Muslim riflemen...

Then slaughtered 20,000 of the men, women and children who loved God and obeyed Him...

May the people of Iran SEE God, with their own eyes...

And may He deliver them from evil.

126 jvic  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:34:21pm

Here is Obama's statement. Here is a joint statement by McCain and Lieberman.

IMO no commentary is necessary.

127 Macker  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:38:21pm

re: #50 callahan23

I wept.

So does Jesus.

128 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:46:09pm

re: #126 jvic

Here is Obama's statement. Here is a joint statement by McCain and Lieberman.

IMO no commentary is necessary.

Mandy's not here so I'll say it:

I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

129 horse  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:56:26pm

re: #72 skull4me

I'm a USMC F-18 pilot on active duty. I'm just waiting for the obamasiah to make up his mind so I can go bomb the fuck out of those revolutionary guards.

The ones in Iran or the ones in DC?

/sarc... kind of...

130 Karridine  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:00:14pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

And may He deliver them from evil.


When an All-Loving, Wise Father says, "No, tasting THIS cup is BITTER, you don't want to taste THIS cup..." He is NOT punishing those who, for whatever reasons, INSIST ON tasting THIS cup!

If God has been present, since May 23, 1844 to tell all Iranians with ears to hear what God wants, then turning away from that course can be seen as Divine Retribution... something the Iranians called down on themselves, now that their scorned One rests atop God's Holy Mount Carmel, in Haifa Israel...

131 horse  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:04:48pm

re: #117 Dad O' Blondes

"WHERE IS MY VOTE?"

I love that.

Those signs are in English -- they're talking to us.

.

I imagine some of our military service members serving overseas could hold the same sign,... if it were permissible.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:09:22pm

re: #10 Shug

Where is Medea Benjamin's big yapper in all of this ?

I think even Medea Benjamin can probably see that this is not the time to show up wearing a pink tutu and a sparkly princess tiara.

133 JacksonTn  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:10:06pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

I think even Medea Benjamin can probably see that this is not the time to show up wearing a pink tutu and a sparkly princess tiara.

SFZ ... she loaned it to Rahm ... crisis not to go to waste and all ...

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:11:40pm

re: #17 nyc redneck

code pink was there recently praising the thugs and murderers.
and will return soon and meddle on behalf of the dictatorial regime.

Link? I saw the pictures of them in Egypt, which was weird enough. Sandmonkey thought they were funny, though.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:13:06pm

re: #27 solomonpanting

Mullahs: "He's on our side."

"I'd say you've been misinformed." (What was that movie? Old train robbers get out of prison, and decide to pull off one last job...)

136 Salem  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:22:19pm

re: #106 coldpizza

Just thinking? Is it possible that this is exactly what the Regime wants, and Mousavi and Dinner Jacket are actually part of the same team. Deflecting away from their Nuke program, and giving the people a collation government in a few weeks? They could say "we hear the people" and some change is coming and it was all staged with the protesters not knowing they were pons? It crossed my mind a few times.

Distraction might be a beneficial side-effect for the mullahs but this is bigger than Mousavi. The regime obviously doesn't have things under that degree of control that they can just have a convenient faux-revolution and then whistle the dogs home when it's over.

137 Karridine  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:33:57pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

I know that one... GREAT CRASHING STEAM TRAIN scene at the end? Burt Lancaster and others?

138 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:38:26pm

re: #137 Karridine

I know that one... GREAT CRASHING STEAM TRAIN scene at the end? Burt Lancaster and others?

Yes, that one. What was its name?

139 Robert O.  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:39:54pm

On one of my friend's Facebook, I just saw a video of a young Iranian woman shot to death by the Basij. In the description it said she died in less than 2 minutes, it is one of the worst things I've seen.

F*&^ the mullahs!

140 Sloppy  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:59:21pm

IIRC, the movie we're talking about was "Tough Guys," with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas.

141 Karridine  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:04:10pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

"Tough Guys", 1986?

142 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:12:02pm

re: #140 Sloppy

IIRC, the movie we're talking about was "Tough Guys," with Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas.

re: #141 Karridine

"Tough Guys", 1986?

Thank you, gentlemen. I asked because I remember watching it on TV when was first shown on the networks. I was only 10.

143 MarineMomSue  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:14:21pm

re: #80 itellu3times

feeding his kids butterfat and sugar, better get it in now, will probably be illegal under his new health care regime.

for everybody but him and his kids...

144 justdanny  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:17:53pm

re: #113 BigPapa

What we want or believe is immaterial, so let's just focus on why US support to some level will cause all these protesters to go home. Please elaborate. Many are too young to remember the fall of the Shah or his rule, are more worldly and tech savvy.

All I know is what I have been told again and again and again from many Iranians on both sides over there. Which is if America injects itself into Irans affairs, all Iranians will unite against the foreign threat.

I cant explain how deep their distrust of foreign powers goes. I do know that they like Obama. I do know that they love America, the idea. The US and Britain have done too much to hurt Iran over the years. Parents and grandparents know and tell all of the stories. Families in Iran are closer than in most places. Family life replaces what most of the world finds in social life.

Nobody should take my word for it. Over the last seven years I have grown way too close to Iranians to be objective about many things concerning them. The current monster regimes strongest propaganda tool right now is claiming or fabricating proof that the US or britain is somehow involved in this revolution.

Iranians feel and to some degee know that they are alone in this. The signs they carry written in english I view as a sign to us that they are doing this, not us. That they want us to watch and be proud of them.

And we are watching. And we are proud of them. And I well up just writing that.

145 Karridine  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:29:28pm

re: #144 justdanny

There is MUCH WISDOM in your observations, JustDanny...

Other commenters here were trying to say, "Align with and screw up!" and they were down-dinged and ridiculed soundly...

But those controlling the media (to whatever extent) WANT TO DIVERT Iranian attention from the real issues, and will use every lying, dissembling, twisting tactic at their disposal, including Twitter, to divert and dis-unite... thence to UNITE against 'our common enemy'... (democracy and freedom of choice)

146 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:30:41pm

re: #144 justdanny

I cant explain how deep their distrust of foreign powers goes. I do know that they like Obama. I do know that they love America, the idea.

Sustained rhetoric of a stronger message from Obama is what is needed here and now. That's not necessarily 'injecting' the US into Iranian politics. There's many ways to play this without going Bay of Pigs or supplying people or supplies there.

147 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:32:54pm

re: #144 justdanny

That they want us to watch and be proud of them.

I am. To want freedom that much. How many of us know what that even means.

148 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:37:32pm

I've seen a couple of comments about blockade or tactical strikes of nuclear facilities. That's getting involved but this is not the time for this. What's frustrating is Obama is good at rhetoric, yet he's not using it to maximum impact.

149 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:40:03pm

re: #145 Karridine

Other commenter's here were trying to say, "Align with and screw up!" and they were down-dinged and ridiculed soundly...


I didn't see that. The neg Karm was for Kerry-esque non-meddling equivocation with some condescension thrown in for measure.

150 SuperdaveTWC  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:26:27pm

Um...

Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I smell a fake! I truly understand and acknowledge the fact that Iran's "leaders" are engaging in coordinated and top-down sanctioned programs of killing and beating and terrorizing their subjects into submission, but I believe that the video which precipitated this thread may have been staged. Fauxtography works both ways, and it is practiced by people with both god and evil intentions. Often times, people get too intent on the ends and lose focus on the means.

151 SuperdaveTWC  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:27:26pm

oops! "...good and evil..." not "...god and evil..."

152 Karridine  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:27:43pm

re: #149 BigPapa

A couple days earlier, BigPapa... as this was breaking... not today.

153 Karridine  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:29:26pm

re: #151 SuperdaveTWC

oops! "...good and evil..." not "...god and evil..."

Same thing... linguistically, our word GOOD is actually DERIVED FROM "God"

Good God, God is Good, Gott-gutt... God is the All-Loving, All-Knowing GOOD

154 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:50:37pm

Video of the Basiji HQ Gas explosion... 5 Basiji dead, apparently.

155 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jun 20, 2009 10:51:53pm

re: #150 SuperdaveTWC

Um...

Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I smell a fake! I truly understand and acknowledge the fact that Iran's "leaders" are engaging in coordinated and top-down sanctioned programs of killing and beating and terrorizing their subjects into submission, but I believe that the video which precipitated this thread may have been staged. Fauxtography works both ways, and it is practiced by people with both god and evil intentions. Often times, people get too intent on the ends and lose focus on the means.

Look through some of the other videos posted since, and it is very clear the situation doesn't need fauxtography to sell their points.

156 Kobalt  Sun, Jun 21, 2009 10:52:07am

Obama is doing the exact same thing to the Iranian people that Carter did in 1979....NOTHING. Our president is a coward.

157 meh130  Sun, Jun 21, 2009 3:55:09pm

re: #156 Kobalt

Obama is doing the exact same thing to the Iranian people that Carter did in 1979....NOTHING. Our president is a coward.

Obama isn't doing nothing. He got ice cream yesterday. And he released a statement today.


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