sigh

Jimmy Carter approves.

This is how a quest for democracy dies. . .by ignoring the outstretched hand to not offend the clenched fist. . .

Yes things are quieting down. Fear may be a problem, but I look upon it as they are taking the opportunity to suck back and reload. Recharge their batteries, and plan new ways of civil disobedience along peaceful lines.

These things take time. We are too used to the 30 minute sitcom solution

re: #4 BlueCanuck

Yes things are quieting down. Fear may be a problem, but I look upon it as they are taking the opportunity to suck back and reload. Recharge their batteries, and plan new ways of civil disobedience along peaceful lines.

from your mouth to G-d's ears. . .

Last week I was predicting that this would be resolved, one way or the other, within a week or so. I think this is starting to look like it might be more drawn out. Even though the mullahs might not fail soon and the protests might die down, they've lost the confidence of the people after stolen elections and violent crackdowns. This might take a year or two of off and on protests and civil unrest.

I have to believe that the movement is just moving underground. There are far too many people invested in making a change for the better to just let the movement die.

At least, that's what I want to believe.

Saw a graphic on CNN (I think) that the Iranian government has borrowed a tactic from the old USSR: "Want your son's body back? Then pay for the bullet."

:(

Have you discussed the Iranian tyrants charging families of dead protesters between $3,000 and $15,000 in "bullet fees" to reclaim their dead?

Weeklystandard dot com mentioned moments ago.

re: #5 MikeAlv77

These things take time. We are too used to the 30 minute sitcom solution

Maybe, or maybe I am just livid about the dear leader. . .and they say division by zero is undefined. . .sheesh

re: #4 BlueCanuck

Yes things are quieting down. Fear may be a problem, but I look upon it as they are taking the opportunity to suck back and reload. Recharge their batteries, and plan new ways of civil disobedience along peaceful lines.

I hope you're right.
Otherwise, look at the face the Iranian government has just shown, and imagine them with nuclear weapons.

re: #10 alegrias

Just did.

re: #9 Dar ul Harb

Saw a graphic on CNN (I think) that the Iranian government has borrowed a tactic from the old USSR: "Want your son's body back? Then pay for the bullet."

:(

If anyone doubted the existence of evil, there it is for all to see.

Change will eventually come - but good change, not the crap we've heard from POTUS.

re: #4 BlueCanuck

Yes things are quieting down. Fear may be a problem, but I look upon it as they are taking the opportunity to suck back and reload. Recharge their batteries, and plan new ways of civil disobedience along peaceful lines.

* * * *
Iranian authorities are asking neighbors to rat out protesters. "recharging" and relaxation isn't on the menu for protesters about to get hunted down & "disappeared".

1:45 PM ET --

HuffPost asks Obama a question about Iran at press conference. My colleague Nico Pitney was given the opportunity to ask a question at Obama's press conference today that came directly from an Iranian. His question for the president was: ""Under which conditions would you accept the election of Ahmadinejad, and if you do accept it without any significant changes in the conditions there, isn't that a betrayal of what the demonstrators there are working towards?"

Here is video of the question and Obama's answer.

It was said earlier, and it bears repeating.

The Iranian revolution in 1979 didn't occur overnight. It flowed and ebbed as power struggles occurred behind the scenes and events transpired over a series of months. We should not expect this to be resolved quickly, and the bloodshed seen thus far may be an indicator of things to come.

When the funeral and memorials start, it will rejuvenate.

Not with a bang, but with a whimper...

re: #18 lawhawk

It was said earlier, and it bears repeating.

The Iranian revolution in 1979 didn't occur overnight. It flowed and ebbed as power struggles occurred behind the scenes and events transpired over a series of months. We should not expect this to be resolved quickly, and the bloodshed seen thus far may be an indicator of things to come.

Tweet tweet. . .tweet your way to change!

If indeed the crackdown cowes the people in iran, our special forces simply HAVE to help relight the fuse. If the freedom fighters are too afraid to publicly demonstrate, our guys need to perform some acts of economic sabotage such as blowing up their oil refinery. the mullahs need to feel some pain and the good people in iran need to know that there is help for them lurking in the shadows.

re: #9 Dar ul Harb

Saw a graphic on CNN (I think) that the Iranian government has borrowed a tactic from the old USSR: "Want your son's body back? Then pay for the bullet."

:(

* * * *
That's extortion, plus they can torture family members to try to extract more information.

POLICE STATE of Terrorists gets open invitation to our Fourth of July parties.

re: #18 lawhawk

Good point. I'm starting to realize the same thing.

re: #19 blangwort

Too bad they have banned them.

I knew this would die down after a few days. I gave it 10, but it seems it won't even take that long.

Mahmoud will come back even stronger.

re: #15 rwmofo

Upding for your avatar!

I'm sure the Iranian protesters are encouraged to here we've invited the current regime over for our 4th of July Bar-Be-Que

WH spokesman on FOX just said "it's still on"

No consequences. At All.

The protests in East Germany ebbed a bit before hitting their stride.

re: #10 alegrias

Have you discussed the Iranian tyrants charging families of dead protesters between $3,000 and $15,000 in "bullet fees" to reclaim their dead?

Weeklystandard dot com mentioned moments ago.

The story might be true but that sounds awfully high. Very few people could afford to pay that.

re: #10 alegrias

Have you discussed the Iranian tyrants charging families of dead protesters between $3,000 and $15,000 in "bullet fees" to reclaim their dead?

Weeklystandard dot com mentioned moments ago.

WTF?

Things may look as if they are quieten down - but that is deceptive. There seems to be a change of strategy, according to the collection of tweets earlier,
here.

Further, and in spite of the threats by the Iranian police:

'rooftop allahu akbars are on, high intensity. #iranelection'
(LaraABC)

(The people have been doing this since last week, every night.)

On the government side, here are two more indicators for rifts within the Mullahcracy:
'"Larijani accused guardian council of pro-Ahmadi bias & said most Iranians R suspicions of the election result" #iranelection'
(StopAhmadi)
This would indicate that Larijani is switching sides.

And tehn this:
'#iranelection Didn't expect this: IRAN'S TOP LEGIS BODY URGES KHAMENEI TO EXTEND DEADLINE TO RECEIVE CANDIDATES' COMPLAINTS -reuters'
(JimSciutto).

No - the uprising is not quieting down - its going into a different stage.

The Basiji are foreign, that is arabic speaking, invaders. This is not over.

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

Obama actually sounds almost resolute in the above clip.

Problem is he's running about 4 days behind, and is still too obviously desperately afraid of seeming "meddlesome."

If standing up in the defense of freedom from tyranny is considered meddlesome - that speaks volumes to me about the vacuity of our President's soul.

re: #30 Killgore Trout

The story might be true but that sounds awfully high. Very few people could afford to pay that.

Punitive fines imposed by tyrants are rarely scaled in terms of affordability. they are often intended to bankrupt the person fined.

That is why we have a protection in the constitution against excessive fines and bail.

re: #31 MandyManners

Posted about that this AM. The thugs are charging $3000+ for families to get the bodies of protesters back for burial.

re: #18 lawhawk

It was said earlier, and it bears repeating.

The Iranian revolution in 1979 didn't occur overnight. It flowed and ebbed as power struggles occurred behind the scenes and events transpired over a series of months. We should not expect this to be resolved quickly, and the bloodshed seen thus far may be an indicator of things to come.

I watched 'Iran and the West' last night on NatGeo. I didn't know it was coming on (I programmed it to record weeks ago & forgot) or I would have told everyone to watch. I found it to be excellent. To be honest - I cannot challenge many of the facts presented.

re: #31 MandyManners

WTF?

They (not just Iran) charge the families of executed "criminals" for the bullets used. Saddam, from what I was told, charged a buck a round.

#5 I agree
I've been watching this on the news hoping Imadinnerjacket would be defeated. They just came back with the results too fast and they made it almost a landslide...if they're going to cheat, they need to be smarter. But the tide is already turning. It's a matter of time now.

re: #28 Yankee Division Son

I'm sure the Iranian protesters are encouraged to here we've invited the current regime over for our 4th of July Bar-Be-Que

WH spokesman on FOX just said "it's still on"

No consequences. At All.

That just disgusts me. But I sure hope Obama doesn't fail.
/

I think this will only be a lull. I think the people will not sit back and accept oppression this time.

re: #10 alegrias

Have you discussed the Iranian tyrants charging families of dead protesters between $3,000 and $15,000 in "bullet fees" to reclaim their dead?

Weeklystandard dot com mentioned moments ago.

More proof that the Iranian regime is a Chinese client. THe fee is higher here though.

re: #24 alegrias

* * * *
That's extortion, plus they can torture family members to try to extract more information.

POLICE STATE of Terrorists gets open invitation to our Fourth of July parties.

Well, they're supplying the fireworks.
///

re: #42 lifeofthemind

More proof that the Iranian regime is a Chinese client. THe fee is higher here though.

Well lead is in high demand in China, what with all the kid's toys they have to paint.

re: #36 lawhawk

Posted about that this AM. The thugs are charging $3000+ for families to get the bodies of protesters back for burial.

On your blog?

re: #18 lawhawk

It was said earlier, and it bears repeating.

The Iranian revolution in 1979 didn't occur overnight. It flowed and ebbed as power struggles occurred behind the scenes and events transpired over a series of months. We should not expect this to be resolved quickly, and the bloodshed seen thus far may be an indicator of things to come.

The seeds for revolution have been sown. Now the ground needs to be watered and tended to make it fertile for those seeds to grow. Unfortunately our 'gardener' is a total zero at horticulture.

re: #9 Dar ul Harb

Saw a graphic on CNN (I think) that the Iranian government has borrowed a tactic from the old USSR: "Want your son's body back? Then pay for the bullet."

:(

That's the Chinese. The Soviets were more likely to tell you your relative did not have the right of correspondence and then obfuscate.

Sorry, just what was most likely to come of this - nothing.

(and of course it is just now, as it is petering out, that Caliph-In-His-Own-Mind Obama decides to get tough(er) with his rhetoric)

I mean, seriously folks, are things any worse in Iran after this election, than they were before?

/sad

Here is a report by persiankiwi, who said they'd go out for a bit and see what was happening:
'We have just returned and outside the city sky is full of teh sounds of 'Allah Akbar' from ppls on balconys - #Iranelection
the city is full of Baseej and Revolutionary Guards and plain closthes militia carrying baton and tear gas - #Iranelection
It is just like living under martial law - u cannot go anywhere without being stoped or beaten by militia - #Iranelection
everywhere is road blocks and fires and sometime u hear guns shooting - #Iranelection'

Remeber - street fighting does not a revolution make, and it is more than unwise to ask people to sacrifice their lives in situations as described by persiankiwi above.

Far wiser to do other things - as suggested by Mousavi!

RT PLZ RETWEET - Iranian women get ready to remove all hijab or head cover on Thursday #IranElection #Tehran
9 minutes ago from TwitterFon

This is not the end, but the beginning of the end.

The mullahs are stubbornly refusing to unclench their fist, Mr. President.

Maybe inviting them over for a cookout will help.

'Iran and the West'
lookout for the rebroadcast.

re: #49 yma o hyd

Here is a report by persiankiwi, who said they'd go out for a bit and see what was happening:
'We have just returned and outside the city sky is full of teh sounds of 'Allah Akbar' from ppls on balconys - #Iranelection
the city is full of Baseej and Revolutionary Guards and plain closthes militia carrying baton and tear gas - #Iranelection
It is just like living under martial law - u cannot go anywhere without being stoped or beaten by militia - #Iranelection
everywhere is road blocks and fires and sometime u hear guns shooting - #Iranelection'

Remeber - street fighting does not a revolution make, and it is more than unwise to ask people to sacrifice their lives in situations as described by persiankiwi above.

Far wiser to do other things - as suggested by Mousavi!

One hopes that the government has massed its forces in Tehran and are leaving the outlying cities relatively unprotected.

Then an insurgency can happen.

Just announced over WABC 77 AM News. "There is a report that Neda was NOT shot by "Iranian" Government personnel, that it was staged."

Lemme tell you something - If the Neda shooting was staged, it deserves an Oscar for Special Effects - I think not, I believe it was as real as me seeing the second WTC tower hit in real time.

What think all of ye?

-S-

re: #9 Dar ul Harb

Saw a graphic on CNN (I think) that the Iranian government has borrowed a tactic from the old USSR: "Want your son's body back? Then pay for the bullet."

:(

...Upon learning of his son's death, the elder Mr. Alipour was told the family had to pay an equivalent of $3,000 as a "bullet fee"—a fee for the bullet used by security forces—before taking the body back, relatives said.

Mr. Alipour told officials that his entire possessions wouldn't amount to $3,000, arguing they should waive the fee because he is a veteran of the Iran-Iraq war. According to relatives, morgue officials finally agreed, but demanded that the family do no funeral or burial in Tehran. Kaveh Alipour's body was quietly transported to the city of Rasht, where there is family.

'We can hear ppl shouting from balcony right now 'Allah Akbar - death to Khamenei' - #Iranelection
all normal life in Iran has stopped - now everybody only talk about Sea of Green and rumours of how Khamenei will go - #Iranelection'
(Persiankiwi)

re: #34 LGoPs

If standing up in the defense of freedom from tyranny is considered meddlesome - that speaks volumes to me about the vacuity of our President's soul.

the iranian people needed a reagan or churchill type speech days ago.
o went for ice cream.

re: #29 karmic_inquisitor

The protests in East Germany ebbed a bit before hitting their stride.

But that's when we had a President with BALLS.

Obama will never have a "Tear down the wall!" moment. Ever.

Imagine if Reagan invited Spot-head over for a bbq...

re: #30 Killgore Trout

The story might be true but that sounds awfully high. Very few people could afford to pay that.

Maybe that's exactly the point. It could be this is yet another way to let the protesters know that the mullah's are Still in charge.

re: #52 Dar ul Harb

The mullahs are stubbornly refusing to unclench their fist, Mr. President.

Maybe inviting them over for a cookout will help.

You know - a cookout was probably contemplated, but canceled due to humidity.

re: #48 itellu3times

I mean, seriously folks, are things any worse in Iran after this election, than they were before?

/sad

Yes, things are worse. There are many families that have been destroyed by the deaths of the protesters. There's a larger crackdown that's going to happen because the government wants to clamp down all they can.

So, yes. Far worse.

re: #52 Dar ul Harb

The mullahs are stubbornly refusing to unclench their fist, Mr. President.

Maybe inviting them over for a cookout will help.

* * * *
Marie Antoinette famously said "let them eat cake" when told her subjects were starving.

Iran's leaders deserve the guillotine too.

re: #55 Dr. Shalit

Just announced over WABC 77 AM News. "There is a report that Neda was NOT shot by "Iranian" Government personnel, that it was staged."

Lemme tell you something - If the Neda shooting was staged, it deserves an Oscar for Special Effects - I think not, I believe it was as real as me seeing the second WTC tower hit in real time.

What think all of ye?

-S-

The report that this was staged must have been issued by the Iranian gov't, I would think, an incredibly reliable source of information these days? (not)

Obama is overmatched by these events. Not that long ago he was a community organizer, for crying out loud, so this should come as no surprise.
The scary thing is that on the scale of challenges that he is likely to face in the future this Iranian crisis might seem small potatoes in reptrospect.
The country will come to rue the day it elected this man.

re: #55 Dr. Shalit

Just announced over WABC 77 AM News. "There is a report that Neda was NOT shot by "Iranian" Government personnel, that it was staged."

Lemme tell you something - If the Neda shooting was staged, it deserves an Oscar for Special Effects - I think not, I believe it was as real as me seeing the second WTC tower hit in real time.

What think all of ye?

-S-

Regime disinformation, Charles posted he got an email to that effect.

The Neda images are the type of thing that become the iconic image of an event, the regime knows this and will do anything to discredit the images.

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

i believe his 'tear down wall' moment was during election when he said "we are going to fundamentally change this country'

re: #41 Sharmuta

I think this will only be a lull. I think the people will not sit back and accept oppression this time.

an analogy...maybe not a good one, but I well remember the anti-war movement in the late sixties...the rise of extremists like the SDS and Weatherman all grew out of an anti war/anti govt sentiment...it took a long time, several years before the movement matured into a nationwide, almost middle class thing, but it did and eventually the demonstrations were so huge that it brought an end to the vietnam war...it take time to evolve and mature...the Iranians have to be in it for the long haul

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

You are so wrong. He has already called for tearing down the wall between the public and the private sector, and made quite a few swings with the sledgehammer to help the process along.

Tearing down walls is one of the many "shovel ready" jobs that are integral to Obama's stimulus package.
/

re: #49 yma o hyd
Mousavi- Barracks bombing
Think twice about Mousavi. The resources may be better used by other factions.

re: #65 reine.de.tout

The report that this was staged must have been issued by the Iranian gov't, I would think, an incredibly reliable source of information these days anytime? (not)

FTFY, when was the last time they told the unaltered truth?

Pretty much what I figured. Way to give them aid and comfort Herr Savior.

When and if change comes to Iran the new leaders of the Republic will remember who stood by them and who did not. By failing to utter any words supporting the freedom of the Iranian people to choose or to condemn repression President Obama has sold out future allies who will not forget where we stood as well as our own national values and belief that all men are endowed with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

re: #29 karmic_inquisitor

The protests in East Germany ebbed a bit before hitting their stride.

karmic_inquisitor -

AND the DDR Armed Forces and STASI stayed in their barracks for the most part.
What the Armed Forces, Police and Militia do will tell the "Tale of Teheran."

-S-

re: #23 _RememberTonyC

That would be nice, but considering who's POTUS now, the US sending in the Special Forces to do something for the protesters is a pipe dream.

re: #54 karmic_inquisitor

Unfortunately - there are many forces in the other cities and towns., where clashes and beatings and murders also have occurred.

These fights and beatings do not just take place in Tehran - they are taking palce in all other cities and towns, all over Iran, lets not forget that.

This is not a bit of urban unrest which will be stomped out sooner or later by Ahmadinejad and his cohorts, this is far more wide-reaching.
And we still have not heard enough of the rifts in the Mullahcracy ...

If Khamenei now allows five more days for 'representations', following the Guardian coincil - then, regardless of the outcome, this means he cannot impose his will on them any longer:
'Supreme Leader extends the deadline for #iranelection complaints by five days, tho Guardian Council has said no recount, no redo.'
(LaraABC)

re: #73 BlueCanuck

FTFY, when was the last time they told the unaltered truth?

good fix.

re: #75 DaddyG

When and if change comes to Iran the new leaders of the Republic will remember who stood by them and who did not. By failing to utter any words supporting the freedom of the Iranian people to choose or to condemn repression President Obama has sold out future allies who will not forget where we stood as well as our own national values and belief that all men are endowed with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

he has missed an incredible opportunity to actually rise to the occasion and be a real leader.
the world has noticed this, including our enemies.

re: #60 efuseakay

But that's when we had a President with BALLS.

Obama will never have a "Tear down the wall!" moment. Ever.

Imagine if Reagan invited Spot-head over for a bbq...

Tear Gas Them All.

/wait...

"Old tensions to scapegoat" - A hysterical line from a man who still blames Bush for the fact that the sun came up today.

re: #55 Dr. Shalit

heh, why doesn't WABC 77 AM News also say, "there have been reports that Generalissimo Franco has come back to life."

Because this is now what passes as the function of the Fourth Estate.

/"passes" used as a ... *cough* ... metaphor

re: #70 albusteve

Revolutions are usually sparked by a first event, like we're seeing here. The Boston Tea Party happened years before Lexington and Concord. It may take awhile, but I do not believe this is over. These people are not going to forget their martyrs.

Sure, a once-in-a-lifetime democratic revolution in the world's greatest sponsor of terrorism is getting ground under and the opportunity to recast the Middle East may be lost forever, but at least Obama's imaginary, one-way dialogue with the leaders of that regime is intact! Any second now they are going to stop blaming us for interfering anyway, and stop chanting Death to America at prayers every Friday. That's the reward for Obama's brilliant strategy of staying the course "keeping his cool." Non-mission accomplished!

Annulment? Their Catholic now?

re: #64 alegrias

* * * *
Marie Antoinette famously said "let them eat cake" when told her subjects were starving.

Iran's leaders deserve the guillotine too.

I'd just dump them in someplace radioactive that would take a few days to kill them. Then fill in the whole place with concrete.

BBC interview of friend of Neda's (her boyfriend, it seems)

re: #72 poteen

Mousavi- Barracks bombing
Think twice about Mousavi. The resources may be better used by other factions.

Linky no worky ...

re: #87 Mad Al-Jaffee

"They're" PIMF

OT: Sanford may have been naked hiking
Heh.

re: #59 nyc redneck

the iranian people needed a reagan or churchill type speech days ago.
o went for ice cream.

A Churchill would have been wonderful. A quote from one of his speeches (I'll paraphrase) would be wonderful if it truly could apply to the brave people of Iran:

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But, it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

"No man is an island, he is a peninsula" - After Bathing At Baxter's

Thanks for nothing President Obama.

re: #73 BlueCanuck

FTFY, when was the last time they told the unaltered truth?

When was the last time they announced their intent to wipe Israel off the map?

re: #96 Dar ul Harb

When was the last time they announced their intent to wipe Israel off the map?

You win! How much did you wager?

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

As the Jefferson Airplane sang so memorably, back when Obama was only 7 or 8, but A Certain Neighborhood Friend of his was very much in his youthful stride,

Up against the wall
Up against the wall, motherf*ckers
Tear down the wall
Tear down the wall

All in all, it's just another brick in the wall

re: #70 albusteve

an analogy...maybe not a good one, but I well remember the anti-war movement in the late sixties...the rise of extremists like the SDS and Weatherman all grew out of an anti war/anti govt sentiment...it took a long time, several years before the movement matured into a nationwide, almost middle class thing, but it did and eventually the demonstrations were so huge that it brought an end to the vietnam war...it take time to evolve and mature...the Iranians have to be in it for the long haul

Not a bad analogy. It was groups like Another Mother For Peace that helped make it mainstream. If women removing their hijabs is widespread, that could mainstream these protests in Iran.

re: #67 LGoPs

Obama is overmatched by these events. Not that long ago he was a community organizer, for crying out loud, so this should come as no surprise...

Too bad he didn't take the opportunity to use his experience in community organizing and his 'bully pulpit', to encourage the Iranian people to keep on organizing their protests! The Iranian people must be so disheartened.

re: #61 MarineMomSue

Maybe that's exactly the point. It could be this is yet another way to let the protesters know that the mullah's are Still in charge.

Or it's some enterprising morgue administrator.

re: #96 Dar ul Harb

When was the last time they announced their intent to wipe Israel off the map?

*opens wallet and shells out a couple of quataloos*

Good point, almost along the stopped clock variety though.

re: #92 Killgore Trout

OT: Sanford may have been naked hiking
Heh.

Linky no worky.

re: #98 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

All in all, it's just another brick in the wall

All in all, he's just another prick in the halls... of the White House.

/yes, it's true. I have absolutely no faith in Obama.

Try this one

More from persiankiwi:

'the ppl have lost all faith in this Gov - Iran can never be same as b4 again - #Iranelection
the only question now is how will the end happen - peacefully or with civil war - #Iranelection
tomorrow Mousavi annouce start of a new type of protests - peaceful and silent - soon there will be strikes #Iranelection
there is militia controlling movement from downtown to north of Tehran to stop ppl joining Sea of Green - #Iranelection
we have report of large street battles in east & west of Tehran now - #Iranelection
The parks in north of city are closed at night and militia attacking any ppl in park or walking in streets - #Iranelection'

re: #85 Sharmuta

Revolutions are usually sparked by a first event, like we're seeing here. The Boston Tea Party happened years before Lexington and Concord. It may take awhile, but I do not believe this is over. These people are not going to forget their martyrs.

they need to organize an effective underground...if it's life and death then so be it...make contacts for arms purchases...pick targets, liquidate...all that stuff...it's all consuming and probably fatal but that's where the rubber hits the road...the Mad Mullahs are men, not gods or superheros...just men who bleed like anyone else

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Since the link failed, did they mean he wasn't carrying his cell phone, or that he wasn't wearing any clothes?

re: #92 Killgore Trout

OT: Sanford may have been naked hiking
Heh.

Poison Oak in places never meant for poison oak...

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

You are so wrong. He has already called for tearing down the wall between the public and the private sector, and made quite a few swings with the sledgehammer to help the process along.

And I'm sure he'll soon come out to tear down the Israeli security barrier, or, as called by those who hate Israel, the "apartheid wall".

re: #108 Dianna

Since the link failed, did they mean he wasn't carrying his cell phone, or that he wasn't wearing any clothes?

He was hiking only wearing his birthday suit, apparently.

re: #108 Dianna

Since the link failed, did they mean he wasn't carrying his cell phone, or that he wasn't wearing any clothes?

Where would he keep the cell phone if he wasn't wearing any clothes?

re: #110 Kosh's Shadow

And I'm sure he'll soon come out to tear down the Israeli security barrier, or, as called by those who hate Israel, the "apartheid wall".

while building walls, I mean bridges, to his reeducation camps. . .

re: #99 wrenchwench

Not a bad analogy. It was groups like Another Mother For Peace that helped make it mainstream. If women removing their hijabs is widespread, that could mainstream these protests in Iran.

like sharmuta said...feminism is the mullahs worst nightmare

re: #111 MrSilverDragon

He was hiking only wearing his birthday suit, apparently.

I just hope he didn't encounter any poison ivy.

re: #111 MrSilverDragon

He was hiking only wearing his birthday suit, apparently.

That sounds awfully uncomfortable? I mean, did he coat his entire epidermis in Off?

re: #112 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Where would he keep the cell phone if he wasn't wearing any clothes?

Hmmm-ewww, hmmm

re: #19 blangwort

The funerals are by in large over. They bury within 24 hours.

re: #112 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Where would he keep the cell phone if he wasn't wearing any clothes?

On second thought, don't answer that.

re: #107 albusteve

they need to organize an effective underground...if it's life and death then so be it...make contacts for arms purchases...pick targets, liquidate...all that stuff...it's all consuming and probably fatal but that's where the rubber hits the road...the Mad Mullahs are men, not gods or superheros...just men who bleed like anyone else

And these things will likely start forming now- time will tell. But I don't think the Iranians will go back to being the same as before the election. They are not going to forget.

OT, but relevant to Obama's press conference and the issue of health care. As the debate moves forward, this is a pretty good article to reference:

Health-Care Myths

IMHO, Elizabeth MacDonald's done a pretty good job.

re: #115 Alouette

I just hope he didn't encounter any poison ivy.

Ew! You're right!

PersianKiwi:
tomorrow Mousavi annouce start of a new type of protests - peaceful and s

ilent - soon there will be strikes #Iranelection

there is militia controlling movement from downtown to north of Tehran to stop ppl joining Sea of Green - #Iranelection

we have report of large street battles in east & west of Tehran now - #Iranelection

all foreign embassys surrounded by militia to stop ppl going in - #Iranelection

re: #112 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Where would he keep the cell phone if he wasn't wearing any clothes?

In his pocket rocket ?

yeesh.

re: #106 yma o hyd

More from persiankiwi:

'the ppl have lost all faith in this Gov - Iran can never be same as b4 again - #Iranelection

This is true in both senses. Either Iran will take charge of its own destiny, or the mullah-backed regime will impose a brutal dictatorship in the vein of Soviet Russia or Maoist China. For the people's sake, I hope it's the former.

Report: Heavy Gun Fire Heard In Tehran Location Unknown (Confirmed) #IranElection Tehran Iran Neda
15 minutes ago from web

re: #124 sasquatchonsteroids

In his pocket rocket ?

yeesh.

fanny pack?

re: #103 Dianna

Damn. Try this one...
Sanford disappears to hike Appalachian Trail (on Naked Hiking Day)
I have no clue if there's anything to this, just funny.

re: #117 DisturbedEma

Hmmm-ewww, hmmm

Well, he'd need a backpack for his sleeping bag - and for his clothes for when he got to any area he might run into people.

re: #99 wrenchwench

Unfortunately, it cost us a war we could have won and millions of Vietnamese their lives after we abandoned them.

re: #127 DisturbedEma

fanny pack?

Oh, that is so much grosser than I intended. . .

re: #100 MarineMomSue

Too bad he didn't take the opportunity to use his experience in community organizing and his 'bully pulpit', to encourage the Iranian people to keep on organizing their protests! The Iranian people must be so disheartened.

That occurred to me too. You would think he would feel an affinity and kinship with these truly oppressed people. That he doesn't tells me much of his character and his past, where he never had qualms about stirring up the 'oppressed' here in the US, whether they really were or not. It was all about agitating against feigned oppression with the end goal being the seizing of power.
What a loser.

re: #123 reine.de.tout

we have report of large street battles in east & west of Tehran now - #Iranelection

all foreign embassys surrounded by militia to stop ppl going in - #Iranelection

Hmmm... maybe things aren't slowing down.

re: #77 Land Shark

That would be nice, but considering who's POTUS now, the US sending in the Special Forces to do something for the protesters is a pipe dream.

if we have them and don't use them ... why even bother having them?

re: #131 DisturbedEma

Oh, that is so much grosser than I intended. . .

I love it when a pun comes together!

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Damn. Try this one...
Sanford disappears to hike Appalachian Trail (on Naked Hiking Day)
I have no clue if there's anything to this, just funny.

spreading more conservative conspiracy dirt?...

jus kidding

The Mullahs win. Obama will sleep tonight.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Damn. Try this one...
Sanford disappears to hike Appalachian Trail (on Naked Hiking Day)
I have no clue if there's anything to this, just funny.

I hope no one got their hopes too high for a Sanford White House run in 2012. Somehow I doubt if the "Naked as a Jay-Walker" Governor will make it out of the primaries.

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Damn. Try this one...
Sanford disappears to hike Appalachian Trail (on Naked Hiking Day)
I have no clue if there's anything to this, just funny.

Maybe he wanted to lurk in a bush and watch the naked hikers...
Even more disturbing than naked hiking...

re: #128 Killgore Trout

It is pretty funny. The problem being it's one of those ideas that - once lodged in the brain - simply won't go away!

re: #127 DisturbedEma

fanny pack?

Double entendre of the day.

Strikes will be effective.

The old mullahs are the kleptocrats who own almost everything and the industrial sector is rife with corruption. If the old mullahs stop getting payments any equilibrium worked out with the new mullahs will erode.

re: #105 poteen

Try this one

Thanks - that did work1

We all know that Mousavi is not only not an angel, but can in fact be called a mass murderer.
As can any of the Mullahs we might want to name - as can Ahmadinejad.

I'm not supporting Mousavi as the best and only solution for Iran - he is right now just a viable opponent, and he might become the catalyst for a true change of regime - in time!

I think we need all be clear that this is no longer an uprising to get Mousavi into power, it hs gone further than that. Some mullahs are trying to cling to power, or getting it back, like rafsanjani - but imho the events have overtaken all tehse games of politicla chess.

However, as lawhawk ahs pointed out - this will take time, its not an instant event, or as someone else said: its a marathon, not a sprint.

re: #138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I would vote for Fred of Lamont Sanford. Dummy!

re: #133 Killgore Trout

Hmmm... maybe things aren't slowing down.

Hard to tell - I'll keep watching, see what others report.

Killgore, this one's just for you.

Re: It Was a Question from Iran, but . . . [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

markknoller Huffington Post's Nico Pitney says the WH called him this morning and invited him to ask his Iran questions at the news conference.

I believe that's Mark Knoller of CBS, who was quoted in the Politico item as thinking the question was a little odd.

President Hopeandchange did nothing in Iran.
He wil do nothing if the Norks fire a missle on the 4th.
This guy is a ninny.

Aetna CEO is decunstructing Obama's strawmen re health insurance on CNBC

I need a walk.

I can't find my error, and it's driving me mad.

re: #120 Sharmuta

I agree, Sharm. The overt protests may be over. The real revloution may just be starting.

re: #96 Dar ul Harb

When was the last time they announced their intent to wipe Israel off the map?

And yet that's the one statement the world refuses to believe. Well, that and that they want nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.

But then, a lot of the world wishes Iran would wipe Israel off the map.

re: #139 jcm

It's probably just a coincidence but I can't help but wonder if it's a gay hookup thing.

Good tool to read some of the Iranian tweets & blogs.

Persian to English Translator

Report: Basij Continues To Proceed With Home Invasions Beating Young & Old Women & Children (Confirmed) #IranElection Tehran Iran Neda
4 minutes ago from web

re: #152 Killgore Trout

It's probably just a coincidence but I can't help but wonder if it's a gay hookup thing.

"I had to use the bathroom!"
/There's Something About Mary

re: #149 Dianna

I need a walk.

I can't find my error, and it's driving me mad.

Good strategy. I often find that walking away from a spreadsheet gives me some room to juggle the formulas in my mind and come up with a solution or get closer to the problem.

Besides ...banging your head against the monitor can cause damage.

re: #81 nyc redneck

he has missed an incredible opportunity to actually rise to the occasion and be a real leader.
the world has noticed this, including our enemies.

As Osama bin Laden said in his final video appearance, "When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, naturally they will like the strong horse."

Here are more tweets:
'all foreign embassys surrounded by militia to stop ppl going in - #Iranelectionall hospitals is surrounded by militia to check why ppl going in - if gun or baton injury - they arrest and beat u #Iranelection
(Persiankiwi)

Doesn't look as if the Ahmadinejadis reckon they have already stomped out the opposition, does it!

re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar

President Hopeandchange did nothing in Iran.
He wil do nothing if the Norks fire a missle on the 4th.
This guy is a ninny.

Sure he's doing things. Iranian diplomats from the regime are being invited to our embassies for the 4th of July festivities.

That's doing something...

Now if they were offered a plate of pulled pork then had a beer thrown in their face; That would be something.

OMG!

RT : just got wrd from a reliable srce in Iran, when she went to Tehran hospital to retrieve a 19 yr old dead relative, she saw 100s dead!
3 minutes ago from web

re: #146 doppelganglander

Killgore, this one's just for you.

I believe that's Mark Knoller of CBS, who was quoted in the Politico item as thinking the question was a little odd.

Probably. There's nothing nefarious about this. His coverage is the best of the blogs and the MSM. He's the leading journalist on this story so it's no suprise that they invited him to ask a question. It's common sense, not a conspiracy.

re: #157 DaddyG

Good strategy. I often find that walking away from a spreadsheet gives me some room to juggle the formulas in my mind and come up with a solution or get closer to the problem.

Besides ...banging your head against the monitor can cause damage.

Spreadsheet users unite! Most of my day are filled with data.

re: #152 Killgore Trout

It's probably just a coincidence but I can't help but wonder if it's a gay hookup thing.

Nudists come in all orientations.

re: #123 reine.de.toutall foreign embassys surrounded by militia to stop ppl going in - #Iranelection

PersianKiwi:re: #133 Killgore Trout

Hmmm... maybe things aren't slowing down.

tomorrow Mousavi annouce start of a new type of protests - peaceful and s

A repeat of the '79 embassy adventure would certainly be a 'test' for Obama.

re: #113 DisturbedEma

while building walls, I mean bridges, to his reeducation camps. . .

I'll leave the camps at "reeducation"

re: #152 Killgore Trout

It's probably just a coincidence but I can't help but wonder if it's a gay hookup thing.

Hey, now don't wander off into the forest, let's just watch and see what we crotch, ah, er, catch...

re: #150 MarineMomSue

I agree, Sharm. The overt protests may be over. The real revloution may just be starting.

I agree with karmic too- they should strike. There is more than one way to stick it to The Man. I just think this is far from over. The people have had enough. They won't go back to being caged animals.

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Probably. There's nothing nefarious about this. His coverage is the best of the blogs and the MSM. He's the leading journalist on this story so it's no suprise that they invited him to ask a question. It's common sense, not a conspiracy.

I never said it was a conspiracy. This tweet doesn't confirm it, but it's not a stretch to speculate whether they discussed the content of the question, which I think is improper.

re: #112 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Where would he keep the cell phone if he wasn't wearing any clothes?

and the really, really disturbing part was he had his cell phone set to vibrate only...

/ I feel disgusted for even typing that one.

re: #132 LGoPs

That occurred to me too. You would think he would feel an affinity and kinship with these truly oppressed people. That he doesn't tells me much of his character and his past, where he never had qualms about stirring up the 'oppressed' here in the US, whether they really were or not. It was all about agitating against feigned oppression with the end goal being the seizing of power.
What a loser.

o, as a socialist, will rally the masses to fight against the foundations of america.
democracy and freedom conflict w/ his agenda. so when sees a groups of people struggling for those ideals he is not moved.
i'm thinking, he even finds this revolution in iran, a distraction from his opportunity and desire to meet w/ and fist bump the mullahs.

Obama could have voiced support for the Iranian public earlier. It is hard to say, but maybe he missed an opportunity to knock down the Iranian clerics.

He voted "present" and any malfeseance of the Iranian regime hence will be followed by the question "What if...?"

Mr. Obama, welcome to your legacy.

Watch Governor Sanford at the next press conference. If he's squirming that may validate the squatting in the poison ivy naked theory.

Aetna CEO - obesity and smoking contribute significantly to health care costs as they exacerbate chronic illness.

Sounds just like a guy more focused on collecting premiums and not paying claims than on family health.

Our president sure is uniting this country.

re: #164 Dianna

It's not just a nudist camp...

If he did participate in the summer solstice celebration (which we acknowledge is not likely), he could get into some real trouble. Rangers and police warn that people caught outdoors in the altogether could be charged with indecent exposure. Managers of the Appalachian Trail, where the tradition is sometimes observed by those trekking from Georgia to Maine, also discourage nudity.

“It’s just rude,” said Brian King, spokesman for the Appalachian Trail Conservancy in Harpers Ferry, W.Va. “People are out there hiking with their kids and families, and there are Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts.”

There seems to be an exhibitionist angle to the naked hiking thing.

re: #167 jcm

Hey, now don't wander off into the forest, let's just watch and see what we crotch, ah, er, catch...

I wonder if Chad was ... well, uh ... you know ...

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

OMG!

RT : just got wrd from a reliable srce in Iran, when she went to Tehran hospital to retrieve a 19 yr old dead relative, she saw 100s dead!
3 minutes ago from web

And even then the LLL will tell you that this isn't a big deal, and people should just accept what their government (thats the mullahs) tell them and stay at home and shut up.

Thats the same moonbats who howl at any IDF retaliation as 'genocide', and who think they have the right of violent protests and attacking the police - as long as its against Israel and for the hamasthugs ...

re: #176 Killgore Trout

It's not just a nudist camp...

There seems to be an exhibitionist angle to the naked hiking thing.

what a revolting fantasy your into

re: #160 jcm

Sure he's doing things. Iranian diplomats from the regime are being invited to our embassies for the 4th of July festivities.

That's doing something...

Now if they were offered a plate of pulled pork then had a beer thrown in their face; That would be something.

I PRAY pics of NEDA blanket D.C. But then again, he'll probably invite them to Camp David. Fucking loser.

re: #172 nyc redneck

o, as a socialist, will rally the masses to fight against the foundations of america.
democracy and freedom conflict w/ his agenda. so when sees a groups of people struggling for those ideals he is not moved.
i'm thinking, he even finds this revolution in iran, a distraction from his opportunity and desire to meet w/ and fist bump the mullahs.

I believe that like most hard core radical leftists - and let there be no doubt that that is precisely what this president is - Obama is a totalitarian at heart.

re: #177 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I wonder if Chad was ... well, uh ... you know ...

We know a hanging Mr. Chad got a Mrs. Chad pregnant, I think the happened while hiking is new info... gives bumping into someone while hiking a whole new dimension.

I think hiking nude should be a universal right.

Honestly.

Most people who like to walk around naked are not ones you'd want to gawk at. It ain't sexual. It is the desire to feel free. There should be some accommodation for that desire in a free country, IMO.

re: #176 Killgore Trout

At least the Appalachian Trail Conservancy isn't calling "Alley alley in free"

/sorry ... heh

re: #180 buzzsawmonkey

"I will have further announcements on the Iranian situation after I mullah few things over," said the President.

Isn't Air Force One turban driven?

re: #180 buzzsawmonkey

"I will have further announcements on the Iranian situation after I mullah few things over," said the President.

That statement almost makes me want to cry, because I can believe it.

re: #138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I hope no one got their hopes too high for a Sanford White House run in 2012. Somehow I doubt if the "Naked as a Jay-Walker" Governor will make it out of the primaries.

You don't think he'd streak through the polls?

re: #176 Killgore Trout

It's not just a nudist camp...

There seems to be an exhibitionist angle to the naked hiking thing.

This certainly was the case with the weirdos in Seattle last week:
[Link: americandigest.org...]

re: #138 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My thoughts exactly.

Whatever the real story turns out to be of his odd 'disappearance', he's almost certainly hurt or killed his chances for serious consideration for a GOP candidacy. One exception, if he was on some covert mission to try to supply aid to the Iranian protesters!

re: #180 buzzsawmonkey

"I will have further announcements on the Iranian situation after I mullah few things over," said the President.

Until then, imam gonna finish this waffle.

I just don't see the protests as gaining ground at this point. They don't have any solid leadership and mob protests are not going to overthrow the dictators at this point. Still, it's a start. The discontent is not going away anytime soon and we can only hope they get some footing somehow to eventually change their country.

re: #178 yma o hyd

Thats the same moonbats who howl at any IDF retaliation as 'genocide', and who think they have the right of violent protests and attacking the police...

That's one of the perverse things about the anarchists and other assorted asshats that love to parade around with masks and wear black. They yell oppression when they are free to act like idiots in public while people in Iran are walking around, faces showing, begging for a real voice in their government and getting killed.

re: #184 karmic_inquisitor

I think hiking nude should be a universal right.

Honestly.

Most people who like to walk around naked are not ones you'd want to gawk at. It ain't sexual. It is the desire to feel free. There should be some accommodation for that desire in a free country, IMO.

I live close enough to the beach to go frequently. Some oppression I could live with. The 68 year old guy with the speedo ? No Bail.

re: #193 Pickles

I just don't see the protests as gaining ground at this point. They don't have any solid leadership and mob protests are not going to overthrow the dictators at this point. Still, it's a start. The discontent is not going away anytime soon and we can only hope they get some footing somehow to eventually change their country.

They have probed the dictatorship and learned what works.

They will adapt. They will consolidate. They won't just go away.

re: #182 LGoPs

I believe that like most hard core radical leftists - and let there be no doubt that that is precisely what this president is - Obama is a totalitarian at heart.

Obama is leaving an opening to the Mad Mullahs.

After the events since the election, that should be off the table.

re: #192 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Until then, imam gonna finish this waffle.

As long as it doesn't take you more than a minaret or two...

re: #134 _RememberTonyC

An excellent observation. And since I expect more cuts in the military's budget as the Obama Mis-Administration rolls on, it's prophetic too.

RT from Iran: We can hear ppl shouting from balcony right now 'Allah Akbar - death to Khamenei' - #Iranelection
15 minutes ago from web

Here are a few thoughts from our Winston:

Rhetoric is not enough

RTWT - its brief!

re: #195 sasquatchonsteroids

I live close enough to the beach to go frequently. Some oppression I could live with. The 68 year old guy with the speedo ? No Bail.

LOL.

I have a question. What does RT mean? I see it on a bunch of messages on twitter.

re: #198 LGoPs

As long as it doesn't take you more than a minaret or two...

The puns are out, the mosques are off!

re: #183 jcm

We know a hanging Mr. Chad got a Mrs. Chad pregnant, I think the happened while hiking is new info... gives bumping into someone while hiking a whole new dimension.

Beware of buns bearing gifts.

/Deer me! ... Y' mean it's not just bear buns in the woods anymore?!

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey

I would like Israel to politely say to anyone who suggests that Jerusalem be re-divided, "go divide your own capital, assholes."

I'd like to see a Native American claim DC should be divided; they have MUCH better claim to it than the Palestinians. And if the US refuses, then Israel could say "Why should we divide our capital?"

re: #196 karmic_inquisitor

They have probed the dictatorship and learned what works.

They will adapt. They will consolidate. They won't just go away.

Exactly, and above all - the women of Iran won't let them just give up!

re: #184 karmic_inquisitor

I think hiking nude should be a universal right.

Honestly.

Most people who like to walk around naked are not ones you'd want to gawk at. It ain't sexual. It is the desire to feel free. There should be some accommodation for that desire in a free country, IMO.

I hike.

I come back with scratches, other minor damage caused by trail hazards.

I can't imagine exposing the tender bits to such hazards.

re: #195 sasquatchonsteroids

I live close enough to the beach to go frequently. Some oppression I could live with. The 68 year old guy with the speedo ? No Bail.

...and I suppose you only think thongs are for pretty people?

(you know I may have to agree with you on this one...)

Several hundred ppl in street battles in E,W and N Tehran now - #Iranelection
5 minutes ago from web

re: #159 yma o hyd

Here are more tweets:
'all foreign embassys surrounded by militia to stop ppl going in - #Iranelectionall hospitals is surrounded by militia to check why ppl going in - if gun or baton injury - they arrest and beat u #Iranelection
(Persiankiwi)

Doesn't look as if the Ahmadinejadis reckon they have already stomped out the opposition, does it!

Thank you so much for following up and posting these Tweets. It's the only avenue the Iranian people have to inform on events - even if they are falling on disinterested Obama ears.

re: #198 LGoPs

uh oh, I think we've just dropped the mosque!

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

I have a question. What does RT mean? I see it on a bunch of messages on twitter.

It means 'Re-Tweet' - its sending an original tweet to more people.
Like an avalanche.

re: #204 MrSilverDragon

The puns are out, the mosques are off!

This thread is going muslin...

re: #208 jcm

I hike.

I come back with scratches, other minor damage caused by trail hazards.

I can't imagine exposing the tender bits to such hazards.

Don't be a chicken. Nugget.

re: #206 Kosh's Shadow

I'd like to see a Native American claim DC should be divided; they have MUCH better claim to it than the Palestinians. And if the US refuses, then Israel could say "Why should we divide our capital?"

give back the Black Hills...it's in writing, and historical fact

If someone wants to hike naked...that is fine with me. Just so long as I am not the one who has to check them for ticks afterwards.

Unless, of course, that Padma Lakshmi needs to be checked. I'll stretch a point and check her most very closely. Most very closely indeed.

Gov. S. is on his own, however.

re: #204 MrSilverDragon

*salute*
You beat me to it.

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

I have a question. What does RT mean? I see it on a bunch of messages on twitter.

RT = "re tweet" (resend the message to your own list)

re: #214 yma o hyd

It means 'Re-Tweet' - its sending an original tweet to more people.
Like an avalanche.

I see. Like forwarding an email.

re: #212 pre-Boomer Marine brat

uh oh, I think we've just dropped the mosque!

Don't Qom there!

re: #182 LGoPs

I believe that like most hard core radical leftists - and let there be no doubt that that is precisely what this president is - Obama is a totalitarian at heart.

i was listening to mark levin the other day and he played some clips of speeches that o gave during the election. he sounded like reagan. pro democracy, our duty to spread it around the world. and o hauled out lincoln and basked in the glow of that comparison. o would not have been elected if the msm had done their job and o had not been so deceptive. interesting how many people were conned into voting for him. many probably thought they were getting a strong centrist w/ a flavor of reagan. and then he gets in office and starts grabbing like stalin.

They never stood a chance without some elements of the armed forces or security forces joining them. Lesson #1 from the Tiananmen square massacre.

I think the time for protests is over. Regroup and form the real movement to overthrow these thugs. Revolutions don't happen overnight.

re: #221 NJDhockeyfan

I see. Like forwarding an email.

Yep.
Mind - I'm not tweeting anyone!
Just reading ...

re: #176 Killgore Trout

It's not just a nudist camp...

There seems to be an exhibitionist angle to the naked hiking thing.

Sure does!

But I think that of all nudist events.

re: #190 aggieann

This certainly was the case with the weirdos in Seattle last week:
[Link: americandigest.org...]

Yeah, that stuff is creepy and unnecessary.

re: #222 jcm

Don't Qom there!

All puns, Allah time.

re: #230 MrSilverDragon

All puns, Allah time.

Your going to Halal for that.

Any San Bernardino area lizards? I need some help. My nic is blue. Please drop me a line.

re: #209 DaddyG

...and I suppose you only think thongs are for pretty people?

(you know I may have to agree with you on this one...)

Well, I'm also against people using them who don't know the front from the back. Does that count ?

re: #143 yma o hyd

Oh I agree. My thought is that Mousavi was obviously the ruling parties' B-team since they allowed him to run .Time magazine, of all places, ran an article recently describing the top ten power players in Iran. There are better options or combinations of options than just Mousavi cuz' he's on the ballot. Being on the ballot is a political advantage for Mousavi but the debate is moving from the streets to behind closed doors. The results, as you and others have said will take time to be seen.

re: #172 nyc redneck

Well, when he bows..er I mean MEETS with the thugs from Iran at the 4th BBQ, he can offer them his community organizing tips and tricks. You know, to prove he's not trying to undermine them. ARGGH

re: #152 Killgore Trout

It's probably just a coincidence but I can't help but wonder if it's a gay hookup thing.

Some 20 year old punk makes up some story (without any evidence at all) about a republican governor and you try to turn it into a gay thing. Why? geesh!

re: #233 sasquatchonsteroids

Well, I'm also against people using them who don't know the front from the back. Does that count ?

Only if they floss regularly. Good oral hygene you know.

re: #225 Sharmuta

I think the time for protests is over. Regroup and form the real movement to overthrow these thugs. Revolutions don't happen overnight.

Hopefully Obama will see now that he cannot negotiate with the Mullahs and will instead focus efforts on bringing the regime down. But, who am I kidding. He'll be laughing, shaking hands, and hugging the thugs within three months.

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

"I never thought I'd write to the LGF forum, but this really happened to me..."

Coffee out the nose. Upding.

Sounds like the Iranian gov't have lost any control they thought they would gained with the warnings. Based on these tweets it looks like total chaos on Tehran.

Khameni murdered Neda. he is the man who gave the order and protects the tugs who kill Iranians. #iranelection #iran #gr88
2 minutes ago from web

Atmospher in Iran changing, lots of fear, but ppl expect to see Khamenei/Ahmadinejad to go. #iranelection #iran #gr88
3 minutes ago from web

Allah Akbar rings out over Tehran again, street battles N,W and W Tehran. More unrest tonight Mashad and Tabriz. #Iranelection #iran
5 minutes ago from web

Special courts to prosecute those arrested in rally. Tehran stadium turned into Basij base and tirture camp. #Iranelection
33 minutes ago from web

Rt the city is full of Baseej and Revolutionary Guards and plain closthes militia carrying baton and tear gas - #Iranelection
34 minutes ago from web

More shooting heard in N Tehran, road blocks everwhere like in Revolution, small fires can bee seen #iranelection #iran
36 minutes ago from web

Keep up the pressure, keep them worried about rallies and putting enough basij on the streets, don't let Ahmadinejad relax #iranelection
37 minutes ago from web

re: #92 Killgore Trout

OT: Sanford may have been naked hiking
Heh.

* * * *
Fatass Democratic Committe Chairman Tim Kaine (concurrently Virginia's half-assed governor) went shirtless in Miami recently, midweek.

Democrat Kaine's office refuses to disclose his whereabout when he's on DNC business in Chicago midweek, instead of working on Virginia's unemployment & misery index.

re: #238 DaddyG

Only if they floss regularly. Good oral hygene you know.

Nice. ding.

re: #204 MrSilverDragon

The puns are out, the mosques are off!

I wonder if nude hikers have problems with mosque-itos?

re: #239 Baier

Hopefully Obama will see now that he cannot negotiate with the Mullahs and will instead focus efforts on bringing the regime down. But, who am I kidding. He'll be laughing, shaking hands, and hugging the thugs within three months.

And for me, he's welcome to do so. I don't think the American people will think much of him for it, so he can be my guest. Great fodder for 2012.

Iran Updates: No Election Annulment, Protestsers 'Dying Out?'

FTFY

re: #234 poteen

Oh I agree. My thought is that Mousavi was obviously the ruling parties' B-team since they allowed him to run .Time magazine, of all places, ran an article recently describing the top ten power players in Iran. There are better options or combinations of options than just Mousavi cuz' he's on the ballot. Being on the ballot is a political advantage for Mousavi but the debate is moving from the streets to behind closed doors. The results, as you and others have said will take time to be seen.

Spot on - its something easily overlooked or forgotten amongst all the news from the streets of Iran.

Mousavi was and is not a bona fide opponent of the Mullahs. he may ahve changed because of the events of the last weeks or so - but he also was a Mullah-choice.

And the really Big Beast, Rafsanjani, is still hiding in the undergrowth, plotting and plotting ...

I think some new, true opposition leaders will turn up, in time.

re: #236 unrealizedviewpoint

Some 20 year old punk makes up some story (without any evidence at all) about a republican governor and you try to turn it into a gay thing. Why? geesh!

Gay governors with dancing bears and nekkid wolves!

Sounds like a movie.

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Lol

re: #223 nyc redneck

i was listening to mark levin the other day and he played some clips of speeches that o gave during the election. he sounded like reagan. pro democracy, our duty to spread it around the world. and o hauled out lincoln and basked in the glow of that comparison. o would not have been elected if the msm had done their job and o had not been so deceptive. interesting how many people were conned into voting for him. many probably thought they were getting a strong centrist w/ a flavor of reagan. and then he gets in office and starts grabbing like stalin.

I am far more disappointed with the mindless, unquestioning, sheeplike quality of the American voter than I am with Obama. Gullibility of this sort is dangerous for the future of the country.
While I am disappointed with the voters, I am contemptuous of and deeply angry with the media and its calculated policy of disinformation and manipulation of information and their blatant taking of sides. They were the shepherds that led the sheep and while shepherds are supposed to care for the flock, these shepherds care only about advancing their own agenda and taking the flock with them.
Dirty motherflockers.

re: #244 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder if nude hikers have problems with mosque-itos?

There's a follow up alliteration to that pun that involves camels but even I'm afraid to go there...

/Oops I just did.

Winston80

rt @iranbaan #iranian soccer players (wearing green wrist bands) r forbidden to give interviews. Their passports r confiscated

re: #244 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder if nude hikers have problems with mosque-itos?

Allah akpackers do.

Next time Obama meddles in Israel's internal affairs, I hope Israel tells Obama to shut up and back off.

If one wears a wig or a hairpiece, is it de rigueur to take it off when going on a nude hike?

/inquiring minds would probably rather NOT know

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

From the song "We can be together", seems ironic it would be used in this context.

If the Army isn't breaking for the demonstrators it's over-- for now. On the other hand, this is not going away in the long term.

re: #247 yma o hyd

Yep, and thats who we do business with. Soon after the only middle east battles we deal with will be corporate ones. "Inshallah"

re: #257 quickjustice

If the Army isn't breaking for the demonstrators it's over-- for now. On the other hand, this is not going away in the long term.

re: #190 aggieann

This certainly was the case with the weirdos in Seattle last week:
[Link: americandigest.org...]

I'm surprised there's no inflated scrotum guys. Or is that just in Berkeley?

re: #250 LGoPs

John McCain ran a crap campaign. Period.

'rt @iranbaan #iranian soccer players (wearing green wrist bands) r forbidden to give interviews. Their passports r confiscated'
(Winston)

An english footie fan said earlier that FIFA, the International organisation, will not take kindly to having the Iranian government interfering with these players. They may well ban Iran from participating in the World Cup, next year.
And that, as any fan knows, is worse for the powers that be than anything the dissidents can do!