Our Friends the Saudis

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The New York Times has an article on the extensive ties between top members of the Saudi ruling family and terrorist groups, as new evidence is revealed by the families of 9/11 victims — evidence that is being ignored and suppressed by the US government: Documents Back Saudi Link to Extremists.

WASHINGTON — Documents gathered by lawyers for the families of Sept. 11 victims provide new evidence of extensive financial support for Al Qaeda and other extremist groups by members of the Saudi royal family, but the material may never find its way into court because of legal and diplomatic obstacles.

The case has put the Obama administration in the middle of a political and legal dispute, with the Justice Department siding with the Saudis in court last month in seeking to kill further legal action. Adding to the intrigue, classified American intelligence documents related to Saudi finances were leaked anonymously to lawyers for the families. The Justice Department had the lawyers’ copies destroyed and now wants to prevent a judge from even looking at the material.

The Saudis and their defenders in Washington have long denied links to terrorists, and they have mounted an aggressive and, so far, successful campaign to beat back the allegations in federal court based on a claim of sovereign immunity.

Allegations of Saudi links to terrorism have been the subject of years of government investigations and furious debate. Critics have said that some members of the Saudi ruling class pay off terrorist groups in part to keep them from being more active in their own country.

But the thousands of pages of previously undisclosed documents compiled by lawyers for the Sept. 11 families and their insurers represented an unusually detailed look at some of the evidence.

Internal Treasury Department documents obtained by the lawyers under the Freedom of Information Act, for instance, said that a prominent Saudi charity, the International Islamic Relief Organization, heavily supported by members of the Saudi royal family, showed “support for terrorist organizations” at least through 2006.

A self-described Qaeda operative in Bosnia said in an interview with lawyers in the lawsuit that another charity largely controlled by members of the royal family, the Saudi High Commission for Aid to Bosnia, provided money and supplies to the terrorist group in the 1990s and hired militant operatives like himself.

Another witness in Afghanistan said in a sworn statement that in 1998 he had witnessed an emissary for a leading Saudi prince, Turki al-Faisal, hand a check for one billion Saudi riyals (now worth about $267 million) to a top Taliban leader.

And a confidential German intelligence report gave a line-by-line description of tens of millions of dollars in bank transfers, with dates and dollar amounts, made in the early 1990s by Prince Salman bin Abdul Aziz and other members of the Saudi royal family to another charity that was suspected of financing militants’ activities in Pakistan and Bosnia.

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429 comments

1 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:31:00am

In other news, water is wet, dogs bark and cats meow.

2 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:31:22am

Wow. I feel important. Thanks for the thread on demand.

3 saberry0530  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:32:04am

Wait for it…….
Damn! Missed it again. The government asshats actually doing something

4 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:32:12am

Realpolitk bites.

5 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:32:18am

And this is new news? Well better late than never.

6 baier  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:32:26am

9/11 should have been the end of our special relationship with the Saudis.

7 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:32:28am

DRILL HERE. DRILL NOW.

8 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:32:44am

Wow I thought Bush was out of office. I mean he is the only president that would ever seek to hide anything about the Saudis because he was in their pocket as an oil man.

9 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:33:01am

Those who choose stability over freedom shall have neither. (Sorry Ben Franklin)

Drill at home and let them eat sand.

10 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:33:27am

The Saudi Royal Family is riding a tiger and sooner or later it’s going to turn around and eat them.

11 dhg4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:33:33am

At least they’re holding terrorist rehabilitation classes. That should help.

12 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:33:43am

SO here is Obam’s perfect chance to distance himself from Bush era (and every preceding Presidents) policies by not licking the ass of the Suadi Royal family. Too bad this is one Bush policy he will embrace with both arms and both ears.

13 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:33:52am

The House of Saud has been making deals with the devil for many years now. It is high time that they reap what they have sown.

14 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:33:53am

re: #9 DaddyG

Those who choose stability over freedom shall have neither. (Sorry Ben Franklin)

Drill at home and let them eat sand.

That’s only when there’s no crawdad to be found.

15 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:34:08am

re: #9 DaddyG

Those who choose stability over freedom shall have neither. (Sorry Ben Franklin)

Drill at home and let them eat POUND sand.

had to.

16 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:34:13am

re: #7 MandyManners

DRILL HERE. DRILL NOW.

If California started drilling right now, our financial crisis would be on the way to being solved.

17 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:34:19am

re: #11 dhg4

At least they’re holding terrorist rehabilitation classes. That should help.

That’s only the remedial class. The honor students are all martyred.

18 calvin coolidge  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:34:19am

I’m glad every time I fill up the car that my gasoline purchases aren’t going to help terrorists…………………….oh, wait.

19 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:35:03am

Critics have said that some members of the Saudi ruling class pay off terrorist groups in part to keep them from being more active in their own country.

And every other Arab nation that does not have active terror groups within their borders.

20 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:36:42am

OT, related

Germany’s SIEMENS Corp. is assisting Iran’s mullacracy to monitor the protesters and HUNT protesters down.

Thanks for nothing, German geniuses at Siemens, hope Iranian kids remember your perfidy.

21 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:36:53am

re: #16 debutaunt

If California started drilling right now, our financial crisis would be on the way to being solved.

100%. They won’t do it though.

22 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:37:11am

re: #9 DaddyG

Those who choose stability over freedom shall have neither. (Sorry Ben Franklin)

Drill at home and let them eat sand.

Agreed. Are you listening, Mr. President?! Stop bowing to these people!

23 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:37:16am

re: #20 alegrias

Link?

24 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:37:23am

re: #13 CIA Reject

The House of Saud has been making deals with the devil for many years now. It is high time that they reap what they have sown.

When you are talking about the kind of money that moves between these parties on a daily basis, no one is ever going to reap anything but profits. It is disingenuous to even think that this will ever become an issue.

25 NonNativeTexan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:37:24am

Their support of AQ is common knowledge. It was
drastically cut back if not eliminated after 9/11.
9/11 scared the Saudis, they were fine supporting
semi-covert operations, but a direct attack on the US had
them worrying about their own hold on power in Saudi Arabia.
They saw such a quick military response from the US.
They realized that befriending militant radicals does have
consequences, and they ran away from it as fast as they could.

26 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:37:41am

re: #20 alegrias
Yep, SIEMENS and someone else, don’t remember who. Like google helping the ChiComs. Assholes.

27 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:38:28am
28 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:38:45am

re: #20 alegrias

OT, related

Germany’s SIEMENS Corp. is assisting Iran’s mullacracy to monitor the protesters and HUNT protesters down.

Thanks for nothing, German geniuses at Siemens, hope Iranian kids remember your perfidy.

Angela Merkel needs to give them a good talking to. In meantime, may I suggest a boycott of Siemens products and services.

29 jorline  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:38:54am

Sounds like the liberals have all of the right answers.

Stop all drilling at home and buy more oil from these assholes…appeasement.

30 pat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:39:25am

Meanwhile Obama likens CO2 to asbestos. The important things first.

31 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:39:39am

re: #27 taxfreekiller

Not to worry, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Lt. for life John F. Kerry knows the truth and he be at the bottom of it.

Democrat liberal anti war loons have your back America, all’s OK.

When it comes to Cary, he is always at the bottom.

32 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:39:47am

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Angela Merkel needs to give them a good talking to. In meantime, may I suggest a boycott of Siemens products and services.

German actress Hanne Hiob dies at 86.

33 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:39:48am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

When you are talking about the kind of money that moves between these parties on a daily basis, no one is ever going to reap anything but profits. It is disingenuous to even think that this will ever become an issue.

Politically, no- it will never be an issue.

But people who consort with Evil often come to justice in ways beyond human influence.

34 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:40:11am

re: #30 pat

Meanwhile Obama likens CO2 to asbestos. The important things first.

[facepalm]

35 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:40:12am
36 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:40:51am
37 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:40:54am

OT - just put in spin off links:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 34% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-two percent (32%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of +2. This is the first time in four days that the Approval Index has been above 0 (see trends).

Thirty-nine percent (39%) now expect their own taxes to go up during the Obama years. That’s up eight points since inauguration day.

Just 23% favor giving more regulatory power to the Federal Reserve. Fifty-one percent (51%) are opposed.

Democrats now enjoy a 2-point advantage on the Generic Congrssional Ballot. “

Wonder if this means the Likely Voters, by a slim majority, approve of the way Obama is handling the Iranian situation?

38 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:41:11am

re: #26 pingjockey

Yep, SIEMENS and someone else, don’t remember who. Like google helping the ChiComs. Assholes.

Nokia. The full article is here.

39 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:41:41am

re: #38 lawhawk
Thank you.

40 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:41:46am

re: #7 MandyManners

DRILL HERE. DRILL NOW.

* * * *
Iraq is open for DRILL HERE DRILL NOW, read it in today’s Wall Street Journal. Exxon & other big companies vying for the work, since Democrats have chased the oil companies in the US to look elsewhere.

Potential to double their oil daily output from 2 million barrels a day to 4million barrels a day.

And Iraqis are nominally our allies, though they’re kicking us out of bases like the Saudis kicked us out.

Nothing lasts forever…

41 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:42:16am

re: #30 pat

Meanwhile Obama likens CO2 to asbestos. The important things first.

Plants can convert asbestos to oxygen? WOW! I think we’re on to something here…

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42 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:42:25am

re: #25 NonNativeTexan

I think you nailed it. They supported the terrorists until 9-11, that cleaned up there act a bit. Then, both Bush and Obama may have decided to cover their asses on the previous bad actions for various reasons.
I personally don’t care how embarrassing the terrorist links are to the royal family, the truth should come out.

43 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:43:08am

re: #30 pat

Meanwhile Obama likens CO2 to asbestos. The important things first.

Link? And if Obama said that, the stupidity of that statement is breathtaking. Asbestos is a known and provable carcinogen. CO2? That’s the stuff everyone exhales, and which people like Al Gore produce in greater quantities with their transnational joyrides on airplanes to preach to the choir on global warming.

44 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:43:08am

re: #20 alegrias

OT, related

Germany’s SIEMENS Corp. is assisting Iran’s mullacracy to monitor the protesters and HUNT protesters down.

Thanks for nothing, German geniuses at Siemens, hope Iranian kids remember your perfidy.


Um, how is Siemens doing that?

45 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:43:40am

re: #42 avanti
Damn straight. Plus the royals still support Wahabi madrassas, which are the breeding ground for more terrorists.

46 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:43:48am

re: #20 alegrias

OT, related

Germany’s SIEMENS Corp. is assisting Iran’s mullacracy to monitor the protesters and HUNT protesters down.

Thanks for nothing, German geniuses at Siemens, hope Iranian kids remember your perfidy.

That’s stretching things a bit. Siemans has sold, in the past, network telecommunication switching and routing equipment to Iran (and many countries the world over).

All routers and network switches have the ability to “sniff” the packets of information moving through them. And any telecommunication company, private of state owned, can write custom software to do what ever they want with the data packets moving through their equipment. They can look at the packets, drop the packets, trace the packets and so on.

You could do this if you purchase ANY telecommunication switch and set up you own network. It’s the nature of the hardware.

Siemans is not doing anything, or building any hardware that allows Iran to do anything unique with the equipment.

I worked for a small telecommunication firm for 6 months setting up a tier one network support team. You would be amazed what you can do with the data, with ordinary off the shelf hardware, hardware that is generic to the industry.

This is not an issue.

47 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:44:07am

re: #30 pat

Meanwhile Obama likens CO2 to asbestos. The important things first.

A reporter should ask him at the next presser if he supports the ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide, a chemical used heavily by industries and frequently dumped into lakes and rivers.

48 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:44:08am

re: #23 Creeping Eruption

Link?

* * *
Siemens Corp helping Iran’s police state monitor protesters was on Fox News TV; I was just “sharing” the headline. Sorry I can’t link, perhaps someone can google & post it.

49 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #43 lawhawk

Link? And if Obama said that, the stupidity of that statement is breathtaking. Asbestos is a known and provable carcinogen. CO2? That’s the stuff everyone exhales, and which people like Al Gore produce in greater quantities with their transnational joyrides on airplanes to preach to the choir on global warming.

You thinking what I’m thinking? CLASS ACTION! Think about the class size. Every exhaling individual is a putative class member.

50 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:44:38am

re: #20 alegrias

OT, related

Germany’s SIEMENS Corp. is assisting Iran’s mullacracy to monitor the protesters and HUNT protesters down.

Thanks for nothing, German geniuses at Siemens, hope Iranian kids remember your perfidy.

From SIEMENS’ Wiki:

Preceding World War II Siemens was involved in funding the rise of the Nazi Party and the secret rearmament of Germany. During the Second World War, Siemens supported the Hitler regime, contributed to the war effort and participated in the “Nazification” of the economy. Siemens had many factories in and around notorious extermination camps such as Auschwitz and used slave labor from concentration camps [8][9] to build electric switches for military uses.[10] In one example, almost 100,000 men and women from Auschwitz worked in a Siemens factory inside the camp, supplying the electricity to the camp.[11].

51 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:44:51am

re: #42 avanti

Eventually the whole truth will come out. But as has happened with other truths from the past, I suspect we will get it in small easily forgettable chunks. There won’t be one big revelation I don’t think.

52 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:45:15am

re: #47 jcm

A reporter should ask him at the next presser if he supports the ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide, a chemical used heavily by industries and frequently dumped into lakes and rivers.

…and a major component of acid rain!

53 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:45:24am

re: #44 realwest
Nervermind alegrias - just saw lawhawk’s #38!

54 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:45:28am

re: #16 debutaunt

If California started drilling right now, our financial crisis would be on the way to being solved.

Maybe Arnold should send a sculpture of an oil rig instead of a set of bull’s testicles to his Democratic opponent.

55 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:45:29am
56 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:45:39am

re: #20 alegrias

OT, related

Germany’s SIEMENS Corp. is assisting Iran’s mullacracy to monitor the protesters and HUNT protesters down.

Thanks for nothing, German geniuses at Siemens, hope Iranian kids remember your perfidy.

Is that active assistance or is this previously contracted SIEMENS technology being used for nafarious purposes? There is a difference.

57 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:45:48am

The Bush White House did their best to obstruct the 9/11 families’ investigations into Saudi connections, too.

58 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:46:00am

re: #46 Walter L. Newton
Walter, don’t have the link, but Siemens and Nokia were/are actively helping the Iranian gov’t right now optimize the tracking software/hardware to find the twitterers. It was a blurb on FNC, so I am probably wrong!

59 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:46:10am

Winston on Obama:

Update at 9pm ET: I missed this disgraceful show of support Obama had for the criminal mullahs. He proves to be an arse again:

“It’s not too late for the Iranian government to see there is a peaceful path that leads to legitimacy in the eyes of the Iranian people.”

Somebody stop this asshole from further commenting on Iranian protests. We really don’t need him. He can stick with Rev. Wright & Bill Ayres for all I care. How could this moron be elected the president? Ignorant bastard….

What he said.

60 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:46:16am

re: #20 alegrias

OT, related

Germany’s SIEMENS Corp. is assisting Iran’s mullacracy to monitor the protesters and HUNT protesters down.

Thanks for nothing, German geniuses at Siemens, hope Iranian kids remember your perfidy.

Nokia’s involved, too.


Siemens was part of a joint venture with Nokia in 2008 to provide Iran’s monopoly telecom company with technology that allowed it to intercept the internet communications of its citizens to an unprecedented degree.[20][21] The technology allowed it to use ‘deep packet inspection’ to read and even change the content of everything from “emails and internet phone calls to images and messages on social-networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter”. The technology “enables authorities to not only block communication but to monitor it to gather information about individuals, as well as alter it for disinformation purposes” expert insiders told the Wall Street Journal. During the post-election protests in Iran in June 2009, Iran’s internet access was reported to have slowed to less than a tenth of it’s normal speeds, and experts suspected this was due to the use of the interception technology. [22]

61 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:46:56am

FOX: House explosion in Chicago, ayers industrial accident?
/

62 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:00am

re: #41 CIA Reject

Plants can convert asbestos to oxygen? WOW! I think we’re on to something here…

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No but lawyers can turn a small amount of asbestos into piles of cash. They have been doing it for years.

63 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:04am

demandfor energy continues to rise…sooner or later we will reach the tipping point….supply will cost us the whole enchilada and then the big one will hit us…there will be blame to go around but the donks are playing with fire….you ain’t seen nothin yet…there’s a bad moon risin

64 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:04am
65 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:19am

re: #61 VegasRick

FOX: House explosion in Chicago, ayers industrial work accident?
/

66 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:24am

re: #49 Creeping Eruption

Hmmm… class action? Naw, I’m thinking RICO. It’s a conspiracy, I tell ya! :) /

67 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:29am

re: #57 Charles
Yep. Pissed me off then and now.

68 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:31am

re: #37 realwest

He’s up a few on Gallup also, but it may be just a rally round the flag effect in a crisis. He was down to 57%, now 60% again with signs it may go higher in the 3 day.

69 S'latch  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:32am

Oil.

70 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:47:59am

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

The post-WWI elevation of an obscure band of brigands to the spurious status of “Saudi royal family” is one of the vestigial remains of the British Empire that just keeps on giving.

St. John and Kim Philby were two reall pissers.

71 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:48:04am

What’s the point of the government telling us? It’ll just rile us all up into a panic and everything will fall into anarchy and dogs and cats will live together and mass hysteria and birds will forget to fly and bees will forget to pollenate and the oceans will rise and the stars will stop twinkling…

/as if this really needed to be put here…

Hello, Government? I can think for myself, thank you. No spoonfeeding necessary, really.

72 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:48:42am

re: #66 lawhawk

Hmmm… class action? Naw, I’m thinking RICO. It’s a conspiracy, I tell ya! :) /

Treble damages against all co2 expellers!

73 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:48:51am

re: #50 MandyManners

re: #44 realwest

See my re: #46 Walter L. Newton

Here is a paragraph from an article…

“Speaking from Vienna, journalist Erich Moechel told The Jerusalem Post that he was “99 percent certain” that “Monitoring Centers,” used to track mobile and land-line phone conversations, had been sent to Iran. These systems could enable the Iranian intelligence service to document conversations between Israel and Iran and “build a communication profile.”

Guess what, all telecommunication firms, running switches and routers have monitoring centers. I can go into the company I used to contract for, here in Broomfield Colorado, and monitor any and all communications coming and going through their switches.

This data is not “hidden” from anyone.

74 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:49:00am

re: #40 alegrias

* * * *
Iraq is open for DRILL HERE DRILL NOW, read it in today’s Wall Street Journal. Exxon & other big companies vying for the work, since Democrats have chased the oil companies in the US to look elsewhere.

Potential to double their oil daily output from 2 million barrels a day to 4million barrels a day.

And Iraqis are nominally our allies, though they’re kicking us out of bases like the Saudis kicked us out.

Nothing lasts forever…

I don’t see that we need to have bases all over Iraq forever.

75 pat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:49:13am

re: #43 lawhawk
Here you go
[Link: www.news.com.au…]

76 jorline  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:49:14am

re: #69 Lawrence Schmerel

Castor Oil.

Gives you Gas!

77 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:49:34am

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

The post-WWI elevation of an obscure band of brigands to the spurious status of “Saudi royal family” is one of the vestigial remains of the British Empire that just keeps on giving.

Yes. We should give Saudi Arabia back to the Hashemites; Jordan to the Palestinians, and then Israel can have the land it deserves.

78 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:49:40am
79 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:49:53am

BIG COW FLATULENCE IS RIPPING US OFF!

80 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:50:02am
81 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:50:17am

re: #79 pingjockey

BIG COW FLATULENCE IS RIPPING US OFF!

FTFY.

82 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:50:30am

re: #43 lawhawk

Link? And if Obama said that, the stupidity of that statement is breathtaking. Asbestos is a known and provable carcinogen. CO2? That’s the stuff everyone exhales, and which people like Al Gore produce in greater quantities with their transnational joyrides on airplanes to preach to the choir on global warming.

I’m guessing he’s talking about the push to label C02 a pollutant, a far cry from a carcinogen.

83 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:50:32am

re: #79 pingjockey

BIG COW FLATULENCE IS RIPPING US OFF!

I knew it would get to cow farts sooner or later …

84 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:50:44am
85 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:50:44am

re: #81 MrSilverDragon
Heh!

86 ointmentfly  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:50:54am

We’ll always support the Saudis to keep Saudi Arabia from becoming the next Somalia or Yemen. Oil or no oil.

Who knows, with GWB giving middle eastern folks a taste of freedom from tyranny in Iraq that has now spread to Iran, maybe there is hope that radacalism will be stamped out…

87 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:51:01am

re: #58 pingjockey

Walter, don’t have the link, but Siemens and Nokia were/are actively helping the Iranian gov’t right now optimize the tracking software/hardware to find the twitterers. It was a blurb on FNC, so I am probably wrong!


That’s a tough call. If you are working with a government contract for what you think are legitimate uses and they call your help desk and ask for product support is it really helping them do evil - mind you I don’t know if the role is more active than that.

88 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:51:21am

re: #50 MandyManners

From SIEMENS’ Wiki:

Preceding World War II Siemens was involved in funding the rise of the Nazi Party and the secret rearmament of Germany. During the Second World War, Siemens supported the Hitler regime, contributed to the war effort and participated in the “Nazification” of the economy. Siemens had many factories in and around notorious extermination camps such as Auschwitz and used slave labor from concentration camps [8][9] to build electric switches for military uses.[10] In one example, almost 100,000 men and women from Auschwitz worked in a Siemens factory inside the camp, supplying the electricity to the camp.[11].

Once a totalitarian sponsor…

89 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:51:26am

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

re: #44 realwest

See my re: #46 Walter L. Newton

Here is a paragraph from an article…

“Speaking from Vienna, journalist Erich Moechel told The Jerusalem Post that he was “99 percent certain” that “Monitoring Centers,” used to track mobile and land-line phone conversations, had been sent to Iran. These systems could enable the Iranian intelligence service to document conversations between Israel and Iran and “build a communication profile.”

Guess what, all telecommunication firms, running switches and routers have monitoring centers. I can go into the company I used to contract for, here in Broomfield Colorado, and monitor any and all communications coming and going through their switches.

This data is not “hidden” from anyone.

I was a telecom orphan growing up. Much to my dad’s regret, my eyes glaze over when I hear/read stuff about the technology.

90 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:51:42am

re: #83 CIA Reject
That’s what killed the dinosaurs. Not a asteroid. I mean really, how much gas does a 70 ton herbivore put into the atmosphere?

91 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:52:10am

how is it that the govt ‘owns’ our energy resources?…how is it that the govt controls our economy and our lives?…this is wrong…th govy does not serve the people

92 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:52:12am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Kim Philby was a communist traitor, but I don’t recall hearing that he had anything to do with elevating the brigands to “royal” status. Surely he would have still been in school when that was done after the First World War?

Oh, I was referring to dear old dad as the bosom buddy of the Saud family, not Kim.

93 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:52:17am

re: #83 CIA Reject

I knew it would get to cow farts sooner or later …

That’s cow poots. Pootin’. Oh wait, Putin. No, pootin.

94 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:52:20am

re: #87 DaddyG
Me neither. Just throwing in my 2 cents.

95 pat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:52:41am

re: #57 Charles

They were not only legally obstructionists, they hid documents, money transfers, and classified materials that would likely show linkages between the Saudi royals and AQ.

96 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:52:47am

re: #90 pingjockey

That’s what killed the dinosaurs. Not a asteroid. I mean really, how much gas does a 70 ton herbivore put into the atmosphere?

I can tell ya the resident vegan here in the office has caused evacuations here a few times, and they’re probably around 150lbs.

97 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:52:48am

re: #60 MandyManners OK never mind what I said. They were supporting a dictatorial structure and are now seeing it come to fruition. That is ethically and morally bankrupt IMO.

98 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:52:58am

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Once a totalitarian sponsor…

Like Carter, never met a Jew-hating dictator it didn’t like?

99 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:53:03am
100 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:53:10am

re: #82 avanti

I’m guessing he’s talking about the push to label C02 a pollutant, a far cry from a carcinogen.


A POLLUTANT? So what do we do - stop breathing? The envrioweenies will go nuts over this cause without CO2 plants and trees EVERYWHERE will die off!

101 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:53:18am

re: #96 MrSilverDragon
Mwahaha!

102 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:53:23am

re: #90 pingjockey

That’s what killed the dinosaurs. Not a asteroid. I mean really, how much gas does a 70 ton herbivore put into the atmosphere?

Heh - I don’t know, but it must have been one hell of a lot! :-)

103 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:53:34am

re: #58 pingjockey

Walter, don’t have the link, but Siemens and Nokia were/are actively helping the Iranian gov’t right now optimize the tracking software/hardware to find the twitterers. It was a blurb on FNC, so I am probably wrong!

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

Guess what, like I said above, if they are getting any support from Nokia or Siemans, it is standard support for the hardware that was sold to them. And standard ability of all that hardware is the ability to track data packets, look at them, drop them, spoof them (if they want to) and so on.

And I am very sure that there are Iranian technicians smart enough to work with this stuff. I was contracted for 5 months in a telecommunication firm, and I had no background in telecommunication (just programming) and in 5 months I walked out of there with full understanding of how to “spoof” packets if I wanted to.

This is not a conspircy.

104 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:53:46am
105 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:53:50am

re: #97 DaddyG

OK never mind what I said. They were supporting a dictatorial structure and are now seeing it come to fruition. That is ethically and morally bankrupt IMO.

KA-CHING!

106 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:54:06am

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey
Fossilist! Don’t you know…there are no transitional Beano fossils!

107 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:54:12am

re: #25 NonNativeTexan

Their support of AQ is common knowledge. It was
drastically cut back if not eliminated after 9/11.
9/11 scared the Saudis, they were fine supporting
semi-covert operations, but a direct attack on the US had
them worrying about their own hold on power in Saudi Arabia.
They saw such a quick military response from the US.
They realized that befriending militant radicals does have
consequences, and they ran away from it as fast as they could.

Not to mention the Taliban were our own good buddies, back in the Soviet Afghanistan days, and I don’t doubt that our good friends the Saudis helped with that.

But, hey, are you telling me now that, after the BushChimpHitler days being asshole buddies with the Saudis, now with The Obama, we’re going to be EVEN CLOSER to the Sauds?

So we’ve gone from Halliburton to The Chocolate Caliphate?

/good grief

108 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:54:14am

re: #96 MrSilverDragon

I can tell ya the resident vegan here in the office has caused evacuations here a few times, and they’re probably around 150lbs.

Hey now! It’s all the cheap buffets!
/

109 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:54:40am

re: #74 MandyManners

I don’t see that we need to have bases all over Iraq forever.

* * * *
Why do we still have bases in Europe 60 years after WWII & South Korea since the 1950s then?

110 Mike McDaniel  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:55:10am

The real question is just how much Soft Graft have the Saudis spread around to buy American policy?

This is the Dirty Litttle Secret of Washington. It’s not just about campaign donations (legal and illegal), but about consulting and lobbying jobs for family members, as well as lucrative post-Government employment. Toe the line, and your spouse can get a $400K/year job as a lobbyist or consultant. Resist, and you had better be willing to live on a tight budget.

And the Saudis have spent quite a bit of money on Soft Graft.

Time to get our Government back.

111 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:55:14am

BBL, the little boss wants to check out Transformers stuff on the ‘puter!

112 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:55:38am

re: #106 pingjockey

Fossilist! Don’t you know…there are no transitional Beano fossils!

…and so began the “Intelligent Design Theory of Bovine Flatulence” …

113 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:56:03am

re: #107 itellu3times

Not to mention the Taliban were our own good buddies, back in the Soviet Afghanistan days, and I don’t doubt that our good friends the Saudis helped with that.

What? Did the Taliban exist back in the late 70s and 80s? Proof?

114 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:56:16am
115 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:56:24am

re: #109 alegrias

* * * *
Why do we still have bases in Europe 60 years after WWII & South Korea since the 1950s then?

You just never know when the fwench will try to surrender again. Somebody got to accept it!
/

116 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:56:41am

re: #112 CIA Reject

…and so began the “Intelligent Design Theory of Bovine Flatulence” …

Clearly, the thing that created that wasn’t intelligent… but sure had a sense of humor.

117 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:57:00am

re: #16 debutaunt

If California started drilling right now, our financial crisis would be on the way to being solved.

California doesn’t have remotely enough oil to undercut saudi arabia and drive down world oil prices. Drilling will reduce oil prices like spitting in a swimming pool will raise the water level.

Suppose oil is found. It won’t last all that long. Ten years later comes, after just ten years. Then what?

If you changed your regulations forbidding running power lines through state parks, and the host of other silly regulations that act in concert to prevent or slow the development of wind, nuclear, solar, and geothermal energy in California, you’d eventually have an energy supply that was assured, and you wouldn’t be paying a tithe to the Taliban.

118 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:57:06am

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

“Irreducible Toxicity.”

the “Gas of the Gaps” …

119 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:57:46am

re: #110 Mike McDaniel

The real question is just how much Soft Graft have the Saudis spread around to buy American policy?

This is the Dirty Litttle Secret of Washington. It’s not just about campaign donations (legal and illegal), but about consulting and lobbying jobs for family members, as well as lucrative post-Government employment. Toe the line, and your spouse can get a $400K/year job as a lobbyist or consultant. Resist, and you had better be willing to live on a tight budget.

And the Saudis have spent quite a bit of money on Soft Graft.

Time to get our Government back.

re: #80 taxfreekiller

TWO PARTY EVIL MONEY CULT

[Link: www.blowoutcongress.com…]

120 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:58:10am

re: #116 MrSilverDragon

Clearly, the thing that created that wasn’t intelligent… but sure had a sense of humor.

Hey- I always thought that humor was a sign of intelligence.

Then again I like the Three Stooges too …

121 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:58:15am

re: #118 CIA Reject

the “Gas of the Gaps” …

Call up the Disco Institute.

122 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:58:24am

re: #113 MandyManners

What? Did the Taliban exist back in the late 70s and 80s? Proof?

Oy. It’s a traditional Islamic moniker. Actually, I think the modern Taliban (sic) sort of showed up after the Soviets left Afghanistan in the lurch, but call them Taliban or moujihadeen, they’re the same guys and goats and burqas and bullets.

123 NonNativeTexan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:58:34am

re: #107 itellu3times

The world is not perfect. I have no problems with the
US alliance with the Soviet Union against Hitler.
Sometimes you have to fight the biggest SOB while
befriending another who is a SOB also.

124 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:58:36am

re: #109 alegrias

* * * *
Why do we still have bases in Europe 60 years after WWII & South Korea since the 1950s then?

Well in South Korea there was never an end to the Korean War, just a truce (which NORK said no longer exists) and the US troops at bases there are supposed to be the “trip-wire” for the US to get involved when NORK invades again.
As for our bases in Europe, that was to enable the Euroweenies to become socialists - needed that money that would otherwise go to defend themselves to support their socialist way of life, doncha’ know?

125 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:58:41am

Get ready to seethe……

Officials: President Obama reconsidering July 4th invitations to Iran

How dare he revoke the invite! That’s just rude!
/Reflexive complaining

126 Kragar  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:58:44am

re: #111 pingjockey

BBL, the little boss wants to check out Transformers stuff on the ‘puter!

Taking my kids tonight

127 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:58:53am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Call up the Disco Institute.

No thanks, ’70s flashbacks make me vomit.

128 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:59:29am

re: #122 itellu3times

Oy. It’s a traditional Islamic moniker. Actually, I think the modern Taliban (sic) sort of showed up after the Soviets left Afghanistan in the lurch, but call them Taliban or moujihadeen, they’re the same guys and goats and burqas and bullets.

According to Wiki, the first military operation of the Taliban was in 1994.

129 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 9:59:57am

re: #113 MandyManners

What? Did the Taliban exist back in the late 70s and 80s? Proof?

IIRC the Taliban were formed after the Soviets were kicked out. Also, the funding the U.S. provided went to the Mujahedeen, domestic fighters, not to foreigners such as Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as is often claimed by our lefty friends.

130 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:00:26am

re: #120 CIA Reject

Hey- I always thought that humor was a sign of intelligence.

Then again I like the Three Stooges too …

Explain MadTV then…

Q.E.D.

131 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:00:33am

re: #49 Creeping Eruption

You thinking what I’m thinking? CLASS ACTION! Think about the class size. Every exhaling individual is a putative class member defendant.

132 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:00:51am
133 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:01:05am

re: #130 MrSilverDragon

Explain MadTV then…

Q.E.D.

Genius and insanity are opposite sides of the same coin.

134 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:01:13am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Get ready to seethe……

Officials: President Obama reconsidering July 4th invitations to Iran

How dare he revoke the invite! That’s just rude!
/Reflexive complaining

I thought he was waiting to see how things got worked out in Iran before making any decisions.

135 WinterCat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:01:43am

re: #122 itellu3times

Oy. It’s a traditional Islamic moniker. Actually, I think the modern Taliban (sic) sort of showed up after the Soviets left Afghanistan in the lurch, but call them Taliban or moujihadeen, they’re the same guys and goats and burqas and bullets.

I think the book, The New Jackals went into US relations with the Taliban around the time of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

136 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:01:59am

re: #115 VegasRick

You just never know when the fwench will try to surrender again. Somebody got to accept it!
/

* * * *
Heh heh, my old veteran father was there when France kicked the US bases out of their territory in a DeGaullian fit of snit.

Dad’s orders were to remove everything removeable from France.

137 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:02:08am

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

Special request: Anyone seeing the new Transformer movie, please let me know if there is any use in the movie of any bee-imaged accessories associated with the “Bumblebee” character.

Bumblebling?

138 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:02:31am

re: #133 CIA Reject

Genius and insanity are opposite sides of the same coin.

Reminds me of a quote I heard years ago, no idea who to attribute it to, though…

“The only difference between a genius and a madman is government funding.”

139 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:02:35am

I wonder how much this has to do with Obama’s tepid response to the Iranian protests.

Obama sent letter to Khamenei before the election, report says

Barack Obama sent a letter to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, before this month’s disputed election calling for an improvement in relations, it was reported today.

According to the Washington Times, the US president sent the private letter in May setting out the prospect of “co-operation in regional and bilateral relations” and a resolution of the dispute over Iran’s nuclear programme. The message was passed to the Iranian foreign ministry by the Swiss embassy, which represents US interests in Iran.

140 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:02:36am

re: #134 NJDhockeyfan

I thought he was waiting to see how things got worked out in Iran before making any decisions.

I think that’s what he’s doing. It would actually be very cool if the Iranian boot out the mullahs before July 4th. Otherwise I don’t think it’s a good idea.

141 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:02:52am

An account from a medical student inside Iran:

I only want to speak about what I have witnessed. I am a medical student. There was chaos at the trauma section in one of our main
hospitals. Although by decree, all riot-related injuries were supposed
to be sent to military hospitals, all other hospitals were filled to
the rim. Last night, nine people died at our hospital and another 28
had gunshot wounds.
All hospital employees were crying till dawn. They
(government) removed the dead bodies on back of trucks, before we were
even able to get their names or other information. What can you even
say to the people who don’t even respect the dead. No one was allowed
to speak to the wounded or get any information from them. This morning
the faculty and the students protested by gathering at the lobby of
the hospital where they were confronted by plain cloths anti-riot
militia, who in turn closed off the hospital and imprisoned the staff.
142 Kragar  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:02:52am

Iran says Neda’s death may be tied to ‘terrorist’ group

Iran blamed the death of the woman known to the world simply as Neda squarely on “those groups who want to create division in the nation,” saying they planned the woman’s killing “to accuse the Islamic republic of ruthlessly dealing with the opposition,” according to IRNA, Iran’s state-run news agency.

The report said the investigation into her death is ongoing, “but according to the evidence so far, it could be said that she was killed by mistake. The marksmen had mistaken her for the sister of one of the Monafeghin who had been executed in the province of Mazandaran some time ago.”

Ah, because the killing of an innocent woman who could have been the sister of a “terrorist” is much better reason.

/

Scum

143 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:03:12am
144 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:03:21am

Video from Iran, claims to be from today….

145 zelnaga  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:03:28am

re: #16 debutaunt

If California started drilling right now, our financial crisis would be on the way to being solved.

I must be missing something. In-so-far as I know, California doesn’t have oil. What resource do they have that drilling would allow them to get at?

146 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:03:30am

re: #129 eschew_obfuscation

IIRC the Taliban were formed after the Soviets were kicked out. Also, the funding the U.S. provided went to the Mujahedeen, domestic fighters, not to foreigners such as Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as is often claimed by our lefty friends.

Yep. Osama was in charge of the “Arab” Muslims.

147 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:03:36am

re: #138 MrSilverDragon

Reminds me of a quote I heard years ago, no idea who to attribute it to, though…

“The only difference between a genius and a madman is government funding.”

“The only difference between a bum and an eccentric is his bank balance”

same idea….

148 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:03:53am

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

Special request: Anyone seeing the new Transformer movie, please let me know if there is any use in the movie of any bee-imaged accessories associated with the “Bumblebee” character.

My daughter is going to see it tonight. I will ask her to bee on the lookout. I hear there’s a lot of buzz about that movie.

149 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:04:12am

OT: Obama has lost Warren Buffet…

No sign of recovery. US economy in shambles.

That’s tough language. And it is even tougher to discount, since this is the Oracle of Omaha. He expects inflation to be a big issue going forward and he’s against cap and trade because it is nothing more than a tax.

150 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:04:22am

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

“…or, since there are so many of us, shall we say the same side of two coins?”

—Tom Stoppard, “Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead”

Whatever you want Sybil … :-)

151 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:04:41am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

I think that’s what he’s doing. It would actually be very cool if the Iranian boot out the mullahs before July 4th. Otherwise I don’t think it’s a good idea.

He needs to grow a pair and slam the Iranian government now.

152 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:04:43am

re: #148 doppelganglander

My daughter is going to see it tonight. I will ask her to bee on the lookout. I hear there’s a lot of buzz about that movie.

Gah… that stung.

153 jvic  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:05:06am
WASHINGTON — Documents gathered by lawyers for the families of Sept. 11 victims provide new evidence of extensive financial support for Al Qaeda and other extremist groups by members of the Saudi royal family, but the material may never find its way into court because of legal and diplomatic obstacles.

If it doesn’t find its way into court, I hope at least it finds its way online.

That would be better than nothing even though a flood of disinformation would follow.

154 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:05:25am

re: #124 realwest

Well in South Korea there was never an end to the Korean War, just a truce (which NORK said no longer exists) and the US troops at bases there are supposed to be the “trip-wire” for the US to get involved when NORK invades again.
As for our bases in Europe, that was to enable the Euroweenies to become socialists - needed that money that would otherwise go to defend themselves to support their socialist way of life, doncha’ know?

* * * *
Exactly.

Who decided the US troops have to be sacrificial lambs to Kim Jong IL and China’s murderous butchers in PERPETUITY?

That’s bullshit.
(What has North Korea ever done to us, as liberals like to say)

155 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:05:34am

re: #152 MrSilverDragon

Gah… that stung.

Sorry, honey.

156 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:05:45am
157 SFGoth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:05:49am

Thanks Bushes — all of you.

158 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:05:58am

re: #139 doppelganglander

I wonder how much this has to do with Obama’s tepid response to the Iranian protests.

Obama sent letter to Khamenei before the election, report says


An Iranian with knowledge of the overture, however, told The Washington Times that the letter was sent between May 4 and May 10 and laid out the prospect of “cooperation in regional and bilateral relations” and a resolution of the dispute over Iran’s nuclear program.


I’d really like to see what the suggested resolution was. “You can have enough nukes to take care of Israel, but you must promise not to use them anywhere else” maybe?

159 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:06:10am

re: #155 doppelganglander

Sorry, honey.

You too should make sweet, and give each other a good ol’ bear hug :p

160 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:06:13am

OK lunch is over- back to work.

Y’all play nice …

161 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:06:22am

Remember all those jets carrying Saudi nationals out of the U.S. after 9/11 with the connivance of the Bush Administration before they could be interrogated? In his foreign policy, Obama is bowing before the Saudi king every day.

162 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:06:33am

re: #159 Joo-LiZ

You tootwo should make sweet, and give each other a good ol’ bear hug :p


PIMF

163 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:06:41am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Get ready to seethe……

Officials: President Obama reconsidering July 4th invitations to Iran

How dare he revoke the invite! That’s just rude!
/Reflexive complaining

So much for hot doggate I guess.

164 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:06:44am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Get ready to seethe……

Officials: President Obama reconsidering July 4th invitations to Iran

How dare he revoke the invite! That’s just rude!
/Reflexive complaining


[1] thanks for linking to this — a good sign

[2] … heh … (teasing) … one of these days, yer gonna be wrong about one of these … and it’ll herald the Revenge of the Seethe!

165 StillAMarine  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:06:50am

re: #7 MandyManners

DRILL HERE. DRILL NOW.

AND IMPORT ALBERTA OIL!

Let the Wahhabi fanatics eat snakes sandfleas. Maybe then they will graduate out of the 3rd Century.

166 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:06:58am

Ruck the Fraudis.
Drill here Drill now.

167 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:07:02am

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks. Serious question, btw: any stickers, antenna toppers, car air fresheners (as in the last film), patches, or similar items that depict a bee. Let me know.

Oh, I knew you were serious, I just couldn’t resist the puns. Intellectual property issues?

168 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:07:21am
169 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:07:34am

re: #154 alegrias
Big upding there!

170 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:07:40am

re: #139 doppelganglander

Obama’s letter to the Iranian government was put up on an earlier thread. And I said there, “Obama stands exposed. Indecently exposed.”

171 SurferDoc  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:08:01am

re: #145 zelnaga

I must be missing something. In-so-far as I know, California doesn’t have oil. What resource do they have that drilling would allow them to get at?

California has oil.

172 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:08:02am

I just got to this party so somebody probably already mentioned it but don’t the Saudi’s pay what is in effect ‘protection’ money to terrorists? Much like we have been with N. Korea? Just sayin’

173 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:08:11am

CA has oil…they pump it right out of downtown LA very day

174 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:08:16am

re: #157 SFGoth
And hey, don’t forget to thank the Clintons! Remember the USS Cole?
No, I guess you don’t.

175 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:08:55am

re: #165 StillAMarine

AND IMPORT ALBERTA OIL!

Let the Wahhabi fanatics eat snakes sandfleas. Maybe then they will graduate out of the 3rd Century.

Aren’t they up to the 8th Century?

176 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:09:09am

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

Yep.

Is your client Napoleon, by any chance? Actually, I’ve looked for an explanation of why Napoleon adopted the bee as a symbol, without success. Do you know?

177 SFGoth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:09:10am

re: #171 SurferDoc

California has oil.

A lot of oil. Driven through Bakersfield? Offshore, tons - or rather bbl.

178 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:09:34am

re: #174 realwest

And hey, don’t forget to thank the Clintons! Remember the USS Cole?
No, I guess you don’t.

A few cruise missiles through an empty tent and hit a camel in the butt.

179 Kragar  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:09:36am

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks. Serious question, btw: any stickers, antenna toppers, car air fresheners (as in the last film), patches, or similar items that depict a bee. Let me know.

Pretty sure other than the yellow and black motif, thats it for the bee references. In the original cartoon, Bumblebee was a VW Bug. Pretty much the end of the story,

180 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:09:46am

re: #163 avanti

So much for hot doggate I guess.

I think he should invite select Iranians. Perhaps the family members of slain protesters to the WH. It’s the least he could do.

181 CommonCents  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:09:50am

re: #149 lawhawk

OT: Obama has lost Warren Buffet…

No sign of recovery. US economy in shambles.

That’s tough language. And it is even tougher to discount, since this is the Oracle of Omaha. He expects inflation to be a big issue going forward and he’s against cap and trade because it is nothing more than a tax.

Thank G-d! For awhile there I thought the old man had lost it.

182 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:10:02am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Get ready to seethe……

Officials: President Obama reconsidering July 4th invitations to Iran

How dare he revoke the invite! That’s just rude!
/Reflexive complaining

I see that “tough diplomacy” now has public wavering and indecision and a vital “nuance” component.

Menwhile, there are more dead in the streets of Iran - all casualties of “debate” no doubt.

Killgore - you have to admit the potential here that people are divining meaning and cleverness out of what may just be an incoherent patchwork of guessing and preemptive ass covering as “it all plays out”.

What we aren’t seeing is the clear assertion of the values of the Enlightenment - the stuff that the left says Bush destroyed and elected this guy to restore.

At some point all but the most hardened for the sycophants will at least entertain the thought that the emperor may not be wearing any clothes.

183 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:10:09am
184 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:10:16am

re: #163 avanti

The State Department “seriously considering” a DELAY in the July 4th picnic with the Iranian thugs? So it’ll be Obama and Hillary munching on hot dogs with the Iranians in August instead?/

185 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:10:35am

re: #174 realwest

And hey, don’t forget to thank the Clintons! Remember the USS Cole?
No, I guess you don’t.

Didn’t the Saudis give a bunch of money to him for his library?

186 Kragar  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:10:37am

re: #171 SurferDoc

California has oil.

Its leaking up out of the ocean floor off the coast in some places, but we can’t have a nasty oil rig spoiling the view offshore.

/fucking idiot liberals

187 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:10:38am

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

I had a graphic artist friend in Utah who sent a bunch of sketches for new Star Trek ship designs to the folks producing Star Trek The Next Generation. They said no thanks but one of his designs showed up in the series finale. His jaw just hit the ground.

188 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:10:41am

OT

Apologies if this was posted recently, but here we go again.

189 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:10:55am

re: #176 doppelganglander

Is your client Napoleon, by any chance? Actually, I’ve looked for an explanation of why Napoleon adopted the bee as a symbol, without success. Do you know?

The Bee

Symbol of immortality and resurrection, the bee was chosen so as to link the new dynasty to the very origins of France. Golden bees (in fact, cicadas) were discovered in 1653 in Tournai in the tomb of Childeric I, founder in 457 of the Merovingian dynasty and father of Clovis. They were considered as the oldest emblem of the sovereigns of France.
190 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:11:11am

re: #180 axegrinder

I think he should invite select Iranians. Perhaps the family members of slain protesters to the WH. It’s the least he could do.

I don’t know what the WH has planned for the 4th, but not a bad idea.

191 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:11:22am

re: #187 DaddyG

Hmm, is he positive? Those are copyright by your friend.

192 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:11:34am

DHMO - A dangerous cre: #47 jcm

A reporter should ask him at the next presser if he supports the ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide, a chemical used heavily by industries and frequently dumped into lakes and rivers.

DHMO - A dangerous compound… DHMO

193 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:11:45am

Morning all! OT, but could be helpful:

Nine Nasty Online Scams You Need to Be Aware Of

Some I knew about, some not. Interesting info.

194 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:11:55am

re: #175 MandyManners

Aren’t they up to the 8th Century?


They threatened to kill a guy who made a plain language translation of the Koran. That rocketed them right up to the 11th century.

195 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:12:04am

re: #20 alegrias

OT, related

Germany’s SIEMENS Corp. is assisting Iran’s mullacracy to monitor the protesters and HUNT protesters down.

Thanks for nothing, German geniuses at Siemens, hope Iranian kids remember your perfidy.

I saw this at either Winston80 or Persiankiwi, and followed the link. Nokia/Siemens had a pretty good aergument—that equipment is the same stuff they install in the UK, they refuse to install it in places like China and Burma, and it is the same equipment which has made decent connectivity for Youtube, Twitter, Facebook et al possible over there.
It seem truly to cut both ways, and Nokia/Siemens said that you don’t get permission to install a network in *any* country without similar monitoring equipment.

They installed the network, they installed the monitors.

196 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:12:27am
197 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:13:24am
198 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:13:25am

re: #188 rightside

OT

Apologies if this was posted recently, but here we go again.

What a surprise. Look who is pushing this:

In a letter to the CEO’s of both companies, Representatives Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Anthony Weiner warned that a 70 percent sales threshold “may be too onerous” and could lead condo buyers to shun new developments, according to the paper.

The legislators asked the companies to “make appropriate adjustments” to their underwriting standards for condos, the paper added.

What are the odds he doesn’t show up for O’Reilly tonight?

199 CommonCents  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:14:21am

re: #184 quickjustice

…DELAY in the July 4th picnic …

Delay July 4th or the picnic? How powerful is Obama? Maybe the could just reschedule for Arba’een. It commemorates the suffering of the women and children of Imam Husayn’s household. After Husayn was killed, they were marched over the desert, from Karbala (central Iraq) to Shaam (Damascus, Syria). Many children (some of whom were direct descendants of Muhammad) died of thirst and exposure along the route.

Apropos considering recent events of dialog and debate within Islamic Republic.

200 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:14:23am

re: #192 MikeAlv77

DHMO - A dangerous c


DHMO - A dangerous compound… DHMO

It’s particularly dangerous when mixed with soap—just ask The Kid.

201 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:14:30am

re: #192 MikeAlv77

DHMO - A dangerous c

DHMO - A dangerous compound… DHMO

Never touch the stuff, do you know what fish do in it?

202 justabill  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:14:42am

How do you delay July 4th?

203 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:14:59am

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Slim to none, and slim just left town.

204 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:15:02am

re: #171 SurferDoc

California has oil.

California has lots of oil. It also has lots of environmentalists who see oil as something we have to learn to do without. And they control the legislature.

205 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:15:10am

The events in Iran remind me of an older Genesis song, the Last Domino.

206 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:15:28am

re: #194 DaddyG

They threatened to kill a guy who made a plain language translation of the Koran. That rocketed them right up to the 11th century.

How progressive!

207 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:16:16am

re: #184 quickjustice

The State Department “seriously considering” a DELAY in the July 4th picnic with the Iranian thugs? So it’ll be Obama and Hillary munching on hot dogs with the Iranians in August instead?/

How many times to I have to correct the “Obama and Hillary munching on hot dogs with the Iranians” line ? That was never suggested, just a cable weeks ago allowing embassies around the world to invite diplomats from Iran to a cookout. Based on recent events, even that is likely off the table. I agree the suggested spin will raise the blood pressure on the right, but some would prefer the truth, even if it was less outrageous.

208 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:16:26am

re: #178 JCM
Hey JCM - I thought that was for the WTC in ‘93; I thought the Cole response was to chuck a tomhawk into an aspirin factory!

209 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:17:00am

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

You’re correct about the “Beehive”, which was a residence for Brigham Young’s multiple wives in Salt Lake City, IIRC.

In general, bees were often used as a symbol of industrious effort in the 19th century.

210 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #205 lawhawk

Collins looks funny when he’s not sitting behind a drum kit.

211 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:17:25am

re: #188 rightside

OT

Apologies if this was posted recently, but here we go again.

Oh great! And who’s one of the “lawmakers” pushing the thing? Barney Frank.

What an idiot!

212 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:17:26am

re: #164 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I’ll screw up eventually. Certain people are just waiting for it. They’re really going to hammer me.

213 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:17:28am

Well FDR took it upon himself to redesign the Dollar Bill, so it should be no surprise if Obama sees it as his prerogative to reschedule July 4th.

/

214 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:17:39am

re: #191 rightside

Hmm, is he positive? Those are copyright by your friend.

Yes the design was very distinctive and used without alteration. He filed a complaint but I moved before it was resolved. Winning a suit against Paramount was not likely given his resources however.

215 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:17:45am

re: #193 subsailor68

Thanks!

216 StillAMarine  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:17:59am

re: #175 MandyManners

Aren’t they up to the 8th Century?

According to my on line dictionary, a Wahhabi is a member of a strictly orthodox Sunni Muslim sect from Saudi Arabia who strives to purify Islamic beliefs and rejects any innovation occurring after the 3rd century of Islam.

Those barbarians should not be given the benefit of a doubt.

217 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:18:10am

re: #209 quickjustice

You’re correct about the “Beehive”, which was a residence for Brigham Young’s multiple wives in Salt Lake City, IIRC.

In general, bees were often used as a symbol of industrious effort in the 19th century.

Busy as a bee. Yeah, I remember that. Not that I’m THAT old.

218 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #204 karmic_inquisitor

California has lots of oil. It also has lots of environmentalists who see oil as something we have to learn to do without. And they control the legislature.


history will have fun explaining how just a small handfull of people wreecked our economy and brought our culture to it’s knees…crtainly making us less safe by th way

219 captdiggs  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:18:34am

The solution, obviously, is a deeper bow on O’s next meeting with the king.

220 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:18:43am

re: #214 DaddyG

Pity. Seems the golden rule is in effect there. Much like the RIAA.

221 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:18:45am

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

It is indeed a symbol of the Mormons, and visited the Beehive House in SLC when in Utah on vacation to see the historical sites around the city. It was about industriousness and community working towards a higher purpose.

222 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:19:05am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Get ready to seethe……

Officials: President Obama reconsidering July 4th invitations to Iran

How dare he revoke the invite! That’s just rude!
/Reflexive complaining

WTF, Killgore? Do you now exist at LGF only to mock and whine?

Would I be wasting my breath to tell you how annoying a post that is?

223 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:19:10am
224 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:19:19am

re: #202 justabill

How do you delay July 4th?

It shows that Obama fears the Tea Parties! He’s canceling Independence Day!
OMG11!1!

225 wintercat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:19:24am

N Korea vows to wipe US off the map.

So, it isn’t just Israel anymore…

226 doppelganglander  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #189 JCM

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks!

227 pegcity  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:20:03am

America we have all the oil you will ever need up here in Canada, but its dirty oil Obama said.

228 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:20:07am

re: #216 StillAMarine

According to my on line dictionary, a Wahhabi is a member of a strictly orthodox Sunni Muslim sect from Saudi Arabia who strives to purify Islamic beliefs and rejects any innovation occurring after the 3rd century of Islam.

Those barbarians should not be given the benefit of a doubt.

Oh, the third century of Islam which would be the 11th Century. Shouldn’t it go back the Islam’s first century?

229 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:20:09am

re: #193 subsailor68

Morning all! OT, but could be helpful:

Nine Nasty Online Scams You Need to Be Aware Of

Some I knew about, some not. Interesting info.

I’ve received this one, albeit for some payment, not an “inheritance”

8. Border Bust: Spam claiming to be from a former assistant commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Patrol says a foreign diplomat has been stopped with a consignment of thousands or even millions of dollars, which was found to be an inheritance for the recipient. Victims who get drawn in receive more e-mails claiming it is a crime to carry the consignment into the U.S., and demands personal information and a $250 fee to prove the recipient was not involved in a terrorist act. If they fail to do so, the spammers tell their victims they are proving they intended to smuggle the money into the U.S., which is a federal offense. Victims never receive a dime but will continue to get e-mails demanding more money for fees in connection with getting their “inheritance.”


I knew it was a scam, and I forwarded at least one to spam at uce dot gov, the email address for reporting spam.

230 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:20:14am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

I’ll screw up eventually. Certain people are just waiting for it. They’re really going to hammer me.

heh, yeah.

/but not me — sometimes I think you go overboard, but it doesn’t matter

231 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:20:47am

re: #210 axegrinder

Here you go.

232 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:10am

re: #204 karmic_inquisitor

California has lots of oil. It also has lots of environmentalists who see oil as something we have to learn to do without. And they control the legislature.


And the enviros are usually rich living off of mom or dads money, so they can actually afford the increased costs of energy unlike the poor. You don’t see many poor older enviros, that usually wears off quick when the money isn’t there.

233 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:13am

re: #227 pegcity

Some of us are grateful for Canadian oil, our number 1 country to import from.

234 kansas  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:13am

re: #225 wintercat

N Korea vows to wipe US off the map.
Gonna have to get in line behind Obama and the Democrats.

235 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:14am

re: #209 quickjustice

You’re correct about the “Beehive”, which was a residence for Brigham Young’s multiple wives in Salt Lake City, IIRC.

In general, bees were often used as a symbol of industrious effort in the 19th century.

I have a headache, keeping all the “responses” straight.

;-)

236 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:26am

re: #207 avanti

By August, Ahmadinejad’s thugs will have buried the bodies of the murdered protesters in mass graves, and mopped the blood off the streets of Iranian cities.

The U.S. State Department will wait until the coast is clear, politically speaking, to re-engage with Ahmadinejad.

237 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:26am

re: #207 avanti

How many times to I have to correct the “Obama and Hillary munching on hot dogs with the Iranians” line ? That was never suggested, just a cable weeks ago allowing embassies around the world to invite diplomats from Iran to a cookout. Based on recent events, even that is likely off the table. I agree the suggested spin will raise the blood pressure on the right, but some would prefer the truth, even if it was less outrageous.

* * * *
Munching hot dogs is what Glorious Fourth of July parties do.
The Hillary Clinton STATE Department sent the invites.

You don’t see anything wrong about inviting murderous mullahs with blood on their hands, just wow.

238 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:33am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

I’ll screw up eventually. Certain people are just waiting for it. They’re really going to hammer me.

There is something cathartic about saying “X is a lie” and getting a link to show “x” is true. It’s happened to me more then once, and will again.

239 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:35am
240 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:44am

re: #193 subsailor68
Hey thanks a lot for that sub! I hadn’t heard about some of ‘em!

241 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:21:46am

re: #216 StillAMarine

According to my on line dictionary, a Wahhabi is a member of a strictly orthodox Sunni Muslim sect from Saudi Arabia who strives to purify Islamic beliefs and rejects any innovation occurring after the 3rd century of Islam.

Those barbarians should not be given the benefit of a doubt.

Islamic calender dates from Muhammad’s Hijra to Medina in 622 AD. So 3rd century Islam is contemporary to 10th AD century Europe.

242 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:22:23am

re: #213 karmic_inquisitor

Well FDR took it upon himself to redesign the Dollar Bill, so it should be no surprise if Obama sees it as his prerogative to reschedule July 4th.

/

Well, if the One redesigned the one…

243 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:22:24am

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

What are the odds he doesn’t show up for O’Reilly tonight?

It’s not a live interview. It’s already been taped.

244 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:22:29am

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

Not sure. I seem to recall that there was a papal symbol which also used bees, but maybe I’m thinking of keys.

The beehive is, I believe, used as a symbol by the Mormons. I have also seen it used on the facades of a number of old bank buildings in New York—I assume as a reference to “busy bees” and savings.

If I come across something, I’ll share it.

The Mormon use of the beehive originated with Brigham Young who cited it as a symbol of industry and hard work. The Church and State were somewhat synonymous at the time. Utah is nicknamed the Beehive State. There is a large beehive on the organ in the Tabernacle on Temple Square in Salt Lake City.

245 NoWhereAlaska  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:22:43am

re: #201 JCM

Never touch the stuff, do you know what fish do in it?

The noxious qualities of DHMO are removed by the addition of a little scotch. I am having one right now.

246 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:22:44am

re: #241 Kenneth

Islamic calender dates from Muhammad’s Hijra to Medina in 622 AD. So 3rd century Islam is contemporary to 10th AD century Europe.

DA MAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFSSSSSSSSSS.

247 justabill  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:23:05am

re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

So they want buyers who don’t pass mustard for loans to be able to join the picnic? No wonder we’re in such a pickle; I don’t relish the results if they get their way.

Frankly, we need to stop this pun thread before it goes any furter…

248 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:23:12am

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

overheard on a college date:

“Do you like Kipling?”

“I don’t know, I’ve never kippled”

249 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:24:12am

re: #210 axegrinder

Collins looks funny when he’s not sitting behind a drum kit.

Still a good song though. Phil Collins is one a very few drummers who can also carry his weight as a singer.

250 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:24:19am

re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

So they want buyers who don’t pass mustard for loans to be able to join the picnic? No wonder we’re in such a pickle; I don’t relish the results if they get their way.

Those puns are just condimentable!

251 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:24:30am

re: #185 MandyManners

Didn’t the Saudis give a bunch of money to him for his library?


Either the Saudi’s or the Chinese, or maybe both, sorry, senior moment here!

252 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:24:32am

re: #227 pegcity

Obama is trying to exclude every conceivable energy source for America except those controlled by his crony capitalists. That includes Alberta oil and the Alberta tar sands.

253 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:24:40am

re: #230 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh, yeah.

/but not me — sometimes I think you go overboard, but it doesn’t matter

224 was overboard for example. There is a thin line between engaging, or correcting a Lizard, and mocking them. Ask me how I learned that.

254 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:24:58am

re: #207 avanti

How many times to I have to correct the “Obama and Hillary munching on hot dogs with the Iranians” line ? That was never suggested, just a cable weeks ago allowing embassies around the world to invite diplomats from Iran to a cookout.

How is that, pray tell, not a contradiction.

How can it be that an invitation for Iranians to participate in a 4th of July cookout not an invitation for Iranians to participate in a 4th of July cookout.

If you can come up with an operation in logic that allows for that to not be a contradiction, you will be handsomely rewarded by a great many groups who try to obfuscate the contradictions inherent to their propositions. Groups like the flat earth society, the truther movement, and the Discovery Institute to name but a few.

Please correct us.

255 Enkidu90046  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:25:25am

What’s next, Charles? An article stating that the sun rises in the East.

;)

256 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:25:28am

re: #237 alegrias

* * * *
Munching hot dogs is what Glorious Fourth of July parties do.
The Hillary Clinton STATE Department sent the invites.

You don’t see anything wrong about inviting murderous mullahs with blood on their hands, just wow.

As long as all that’s being served is pulled pork and beer…….

257 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:25:37am

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Still a good song though. Phil Collins is one a very few drummers who can also carry his weight as a singer.

As opposed to most singers who end up carrying the drum set. /

258 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:25:51am

re: #247 justabill

Frankly, we need to stop this pun thread before it goes any furter…

I’ve got to ketchup on these puns.

259 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Still a good song though. Phil Collins is one a very few drummers who can also carry his weight as a singer.


Levon Helm

260 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:26:29am

re: #256 JCM

As long as all that’s being served is pulled pork and beer…….

That would be awesome =D

261 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:26:34am

re: #248 rightside

overheard on a college date:

“Do you like Kipling?”

“I don’t know, I’ve never kippled”

Believe it or not, that was said on some Rocky and Bullwinkle show.

262 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #224 Killgore Trout

It shows that Obama fears the Tea Parties! He’s canceling Independence Day!
OMG11!1!

There you go - anyone who mocks Obama for inviting Iranians to the cookout endorse the Tea Party movement.

You are contributing greatly to the debate that you declare is lacking here.

263 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:26:50am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

I’ve got to ketchup on these puns.

Lettuce know when you finish.

264 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:27:06am

re: #240 realwest

Hey thanks a lot for that sub! I hadn’t heard about some of ‘em!

Hi RW! Hope you’re feeling well today. BTW, took your advice last night about Windstream (gave up and went to bed - even though I really needed that e-mail info). Sure enough, this morning it was back up. Did contact them however, to recommend they change their phone message to reflect the fact that they were closed. Mentioned I’d been on hold because the message said folks were busy helping other customers. Said they’d check on that.

We’ll see.

;-)

265 Madeline  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:27:17am

re: #141 Kenneth


Thank you for posting that medical student’s claim from UK Guardian. It confirms what I have seen from sources I have monitored on Twitter. It appears to have been a very awful day indeed today in Iran. See sample tweets I read only from those whom I believe to be very reliable in Iran:

they pull away the dead into trucks - like factory - no human can do this - we beg Allah for save us - #Iranelection

see many ppl with broken arms/legs/heads - blood everywhere - pepper gas like war - #Iranelection

all shops was closed - nowhere to go - they follow ppls with helicopters - smoke and fire is everywhere #Iranelection

so many ppl arrested - young & old - they take ppl away - #Iranelection - we lose our group

saw 7/8 militia beating one woman with baton on ground - she had no defense nothing - #Iranelection sure that she is dead

I am heartsick.

266 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:27:17am

re: #253 avanti

224 was overboard for example.

Heh, I had to go back and check to see if it was one of mine. 8-o

267 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:27:38am

re: #262 karmic_inquisitor

Lighten up, Francis. I’m not going to squabble about it.

268 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:27:51am

re: #252 quickjustice

Obama is trying to exclude every conceivable energy source for America except those controlled by his crony capitalists. That includes Alberta oil and the Alberta tar sands.

it is so dangerous it is criminal

269 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:28:00am

re: #253 avanti

224 was overboard for example. There is a thin line between engaging, or correcting a Lizard, and mocking them. Ask me how I learned that.

heh, okay, … “how’d you learn that, avanti?”
/teasing, don’t answer

I agree about 224. Had to go back up and read it. My auto-scroll must have been “On” the first time.

270 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:28:09am

re: #204 karmic_inquisitor

California has lots of oil. It also has lots of environmentalists who see oil as something we have to learn to do without. And they control the legislature.

Well, the sooner we get that filthy addicting drug called OIL out of the very veins of Mother Earth, the better off we’ll all be.

271 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:28:17am

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Lighten up, Francis. I’m not going to squabble about it.

My name is Psycho. Don’t touch my stuff, homo.

272 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:28:30am

source, hearing from Iran: people are hoarding the injured in their homes because they’re afraid of going to hospitals #iranelection
17 minutes ago from web

273 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:28:33am

re: #262 karmic_inquisitor

There you go - anyone who mocks Obama for inviting Iranians to the cookout endorse the Tea Party movement.

You are contributing greatly to the debate that you declare is lacking here.

No he’s not. Oh, were you trying to be sarcastic?

274 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:28:57am

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Still a good song though. Phil Collins is one a very few drummers who can also carry his weight as a singer.

No jacket required. Best 80’s pop ever.

275 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:29:22am
276 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:29:25am

Ok, squabble away folks. I gotta go grocery shopping anyways. Have fun!

277 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:30:00am

re: #271 karmic_inquisitor

My name is Psycho. Don’t touch my stuff, homo.

Stripes ref. luvit.

278 StillAMarine  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:30:40am

re: #228 MandyManners

Oh, the third century of Islam which would be the 11th Century. Shouldn’t it go back the Islam’s first century?

Gee. The article did not say which 3rd Century. I assumed the Common Era. (Dum de dum dum! … sung to the tune of the Dragnet theme) Come to think of it, the prophet was born in 632 (may the date be darkened) so you are correct.

279 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:30:53am

re: #262 karmic_inquisitor

There you go - anyone who mocks Obama for inviting Iranians to the cookout endorse the Tea Party movement.

You are contributing greatly to the debate that you declare is lacking here.

That’s just Kilgore’s shtick. He ties anything anything even slightly capable of leading in a poor direction to the Tea Parties. Tune in tomorrow for the Very Special Thread were Kilgore proclaims that Ron Paul is the Anti-Christ.

/kidding on that last sentence

280 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:30:59am

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

I’d even add Don Henley to that

281 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Ok, squabble away folks. I gotta go grocery shopping anyways. Have fun!

Wait, wait you forgot my list!

282 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:31:14am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Ok, squabble away folks. I gotta go grocery shopping anyways. Have fun!

You debate, we squabble. You link, we seethe. You comment, we outrage. My gosh, aren’t you clever, aren’t we so dumb.
/

283 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:31:40am

re: #254 karmic_inquisitor

The invitation was for diplomats from around the world to local embassies, not to the White House, nor to munch on hot dogs with Hillary and the POTUS. If you can’t see the difference in a potential hot dog eating with the embassy in Greece and doing so at the WH with Obama, I can’t explain it.

284 SFGoth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:31:41am

re: #257 DaddyG

As opposed to most singers who end up carrying the drum set. /

Fred Le Blanc of Cowboy Mouth does an amazing job of being co-lead singer and drummer.

285 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:32:00am

re: #264 subsailor68
Don’t hold your breathe my friend - unless blue becomes you!
:)

286 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:32:01am

re: #270 haakondahl

Well, the sooner we get that filthy addicting drug called OIL out of the very veins of Mother Earth, the better off we’ll all be.

Fear not! Help is on the way:

Feds lend Tesla $465 million to build electric car

Oh, also loans to Ford and Nissan.

And, WOW! Tesla has gotten the cost of goods for the Roadster the materials and labor cost to build the car down to about $80,000

A real people’s car for sure!

(If this is a good idea, private investors would invest. The Feds using our tax money - “loan” or otherwise - is a little irritating.)

287 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:32:52am

re: #284 SFGoth

Fred Le Blanc of Cowboy Mouth does an amazing job of being co-lead singer and drummer.


I’ve posted his gig many times….zero response….pretty good young band

288 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:32:57am

re: #265 Madeline

It’s Tienanmen times a million. It’s mass murder. And we will sit silent until it has blown over so our diplomats can engage Ahmadinejad’s regime. We are accomplices to the monsters.

There’s a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices are being suddenly silenced. I feel like weeping.

289 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:33:02am

re: #280 rightside

I’d even add Don Henley to that

What about that dude from Knight Ranger? Notice these are all drummers from super groups.

290 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:33:12am
291 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:33:17am

Step 1: Drop turd
Step 2: Complain about crap on floor
Step 3: Flounce away while leaving others to enjoy the smell

292 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:33:32am

Good editorial on Obama and Iran at the Boston Herald:
Reality check for Barack Obama
Various excerpts:

Here is the one immutable fact of Barack Obama’s foreign policy agenda as it relates to Iran: It’s over. The rule book he came in with is as irrelevant as a tourist guide to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Politics and decency will simply demand that the world condemn or shun the regime of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei if they come out on top. Even the most soulless realists will be repulsed by the blood on the regime’s collective hands.
But now, if the clerical junta prevails, anyone who shakes hands with Ahmadinejad will have a hard time washing the blood off his own hands.
But Obama has also made it clear that he sees the elimination of Iran’s nuclear problem not as a stand-alone priority but as one part of his Middle East two-step. His inseparable goal is to also push Israel into a peace settlement with the Palestinians.
In effect, Obama would be using the threat of a nuclear Ahmadinejad as a Medusa’s head to petrify Israel into concessions.
293 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:33:53am

re: #291 DaddyG

Step 1: Drop turd
Step 2: Complain about crap on floor
Step 3: Flounce away while leaving others to enjoy the smell

I’m glad that never happens here.
/

294 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:34:01am

re: #284 SFGoth

Fred Le Blanc of Cowboy Mouth does an amazing job of being co-lead singer and drummer.

Now I feel old and out of touch. Thanks. /

295 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:34:16am

re: #283 avanti

( btw, your karma is getting to be a real disgrace ! )

/*grin & duck*

296 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:34:27am

re: #290 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, with no nuclear power and no oil and no coal, where the electricity to power the thing is going to come from remains an open question.

Oops! Just like my friend buzzsawmonkey to spot those nagging little problems! Great point!

:-)

297 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:34:30am

re: #286 subsailor68

The thing I love about this is the green guys never talk about how we are going to produce all this electricity for all these electric cars to recharge with… Can’t use that big bad nuclear power…

298 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:34:48am

re: #154 alegrias

* * * *
Exactly.

Who decided the US troops have to be sacrificial lambs to Kim Jong IL and China’s murderous butchers in PERPETUITY?

That’s bullshit.
(What has North Korea ever done to us, as liberals like to say)

Surely you’re joking? North Korea has just recently helped Syria construct a nuclear weapons facility. Israel bombed it so we’re out of danger on that one, but that has to count as a hostile act.

North Korea is a systematic counterfeiter of U.S. currency, and they game the banking system to essentially counterfeit virtual dollars. Those are hostile acts.

North Korea threatens our trading partner South Korea. That’s a hostile act.

Now that North Korea has become a nuclear power, Japan may be forced to match that move. If we don’t resolutely stand the line at the NKSK border, Japan might feel forced to build its own bomb. China would have kittens. Failure to stand firm against NK has all sorts of consequences, none of them pretty.

At Munich, Chamberlain decided standing firm wasn’t worth the risk. Mistake. Big, big mistake.

299 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:34:49am

re: #291 DaddyG

Step 1: Drop turd
Step 2: Complain about crap on floor
Step 3: Flounce away while leaving others to enjoy the smell

Step 4: Brag on LGF2

300 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:35:12am

re: #297 MikeAlv77

The thing I love about this is the green guys never talk about how we are going to produce all this electricity for all these electric cars to recharge with… Can’t use that big bad nuclear power…

Solar power?

/Perhaps, with all the hot air they’re spewing, wind energy would be better…

301 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:35:44am

re: #263 NJDhockeyfan

Lettuce know when you finish.

You all are really dressing it up today.

302 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:35:56am

re: #280 rightside

I’d even add Don Henley to that

So would I. Henley’s singing is excellent.

303 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:36:31am

re: #300 thedopefishlives

Solar power?

/Perhaps, with all the hot air they’re spewing, wind energy would be better…

Nah, too much carbon dioxide in that wind they spew.

304 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:36:34am

re: #270 haakondahl

Well, the sooner we get that filthy addicting drug called OIL out of the very veins of Mother Earth, the better off we’ll all be.

Well there are several paths to that outcome:

1) We can induce a worldwide depression by going on a crash diet while embracing alternative sources that can’t energize our grid, thereby further exacerbating said depression. but we can feel good about ourselves as we see our lifestyles severly impacted and while developing nations simply see mass starvation because the petrochemicals we used to export to them are no longer available (let alone the trade drop off and cheap ag products they will no longer see from the developed world).

2) we could sin and actually participate in a few indulgences like building nuclear power plants while still using carbon based fuels as we transition to a new infrastructure. That, however, would soil our souls and piss off GAIA, thereby leading to our moral ruin and would require us to seek out a messianic figure to lead us into thinking we are doing the right thing as we do continue to do the wrong thing. Kinda like we have done to “solve” our “war on terror” moral stain.

305 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:37:24am

Who the thugs are:

The man, who has come from a small town in the eastern province of Khorasan and has never been in Tehran before, says he is being paid 2m rial (£122) to assault protestors with a heavy wooden stave. He says the money is the main incentive as it will enable him to get married and may even enable him to afford more than one wife. Leadership of the volunteers has been provided by a man known only as “Hajji”, who has instructed his men to “beat the counter-revolutionaries so hard that they won’t be able to stand up”.

The volunteers, most of them from far-flung provinces such as Khuzestan, Arak and Mazandaran, are being kept in hostel accommodation, reportedly in east Tehran. Other volunteers, he says, have been brought from Lebanon, where the Iranian regime has strong allies in the Hezbollah movement. They are said to be more highly-paid than their Iranian counterparts and are put up in hotels. The last piece of information seems to confirm the suspicion of many Iranians that foreign security personnel are being used to suppress the demonstrators. For all his talk of the legal process, this interview provides a key insight into where Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, believes the true source of his legitimacy rests.

306 realwest  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:37:46am

Well y’all it’s been real, but I gotta go now!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

307 NoWhereAlaska  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:38:25am

re: #301 Mad Al-Jaffee

You all are really dressing it up today.

To pun, or not to pun: that is the question:
Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous humor,
Or to take arms against that sea of wit,
And by opposing end them?
The mind-aches and the thousand natural shocks
That bad puns are heir to, ‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish’d. To laugh, to groan;
To try mightily to pun: ay, there’s the rub;

308 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:38:31am

And, in keeping with the issue of energy, Fed loans to companies like Tesla, and overall control and meddling by this administration in the economy as a whole:

The Nirvana Fallacy

I know John Stossel can be over the top on occasion, but I think he got this one right.

And folks like Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman, and Adam Smith would agree with him!

309 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:38:34am

re: #299 JCM

Step 4: Brag on LGF2

Not quite right:

Step 4: Whine and seethe when others point out that you left the turd.

Step 5: Get bounced out on your ass by Charles.

Step 6: Brag on LGF2

310 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:38:38am

re: #283 avanti

And don’t you understand the difference between metaphor and a narrow, literal understanding?

Your civics education: Obama is President of the U.S. He is ultimately responsible for foreign policy. The buck stops there.

Hillary Clinton is his Secretary of State. Through the U.S. State Department, which she heads, she is responsible for implementing the President’s foreign policy. The U.S. State Department, implementing the President’s policy, has told U.S. embassies they are free to invite murderous Iranian diplomats to our embassies for 4th of July festivities to “engage” the regime that is murdering its citizens en masse.

So why can’t I suggest that Obama’s foreign policy is attributable to Obama? Because you’re a fool?

311 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:39:02am

re: #304 karmic_inquisitor

Well there are several paths to that outcome:

1) We can induce a worldwide depression by going on a crash diet while embracing alternative sources that can’t energize our grid, thereby further exacerbating said depression. but we can feel good about ourselves as we see our lifestyles severly impacted and while developing nations simply see mass starvation because the petrochemicals we used to export to them are no longer available (let alone the trade drop off and cheap ag products they will no longer see from the developed world).

2) we could sin and actually participate in a few indulgences like building nuclear power plants while still using carbon based fuels as we transition to a new infrastructure. That, however, would soil our souls and piss off GAIA, thereby leading to our moral ruin and would require us to seek out a messianic figure to lead us into thinking we are doing the right thing as we do continue to do the wrong thing. Kinda like we have done to “solve” our “war on terror” moral stain.

It’s a moral question…..
Should we the dinosaurs have died in vain?

//

312 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:39:15am

re: #290 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, with no nuclear power and no oil and no coal, where the electricity to power the thing is going to come from remains an open question.

Don’t forget all the Not-In-My-Backyard actions to block wind turbines and solar panels because they may take away from the natural beauty of the Massachusetts coast line and disrupt the migration patterns of the desert tortoise in the Mojave Desert.

313 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:39:44am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Not quite right:

Step 4: Whine and seethe when others point out that you left the turd.

Step 5: Get bounced out on your ass by Charles.

Step 6: Brag on LGF2

LOL!

314 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:39:56am

re: #289 axegrinder

I’m not that familiar with them, other than sister christian. If the singer is the drummer, then I’d agree.

315 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:40:05am

re: #305 Kenneth

Who the thugs are:

Dirty Deeds, Done Dirt Cheap.

/spits on thugs

316 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:40:18am

re: #289 axegrinder

Also, Pete Ragusa from The Nighthawks (not exactly a popular rock band, but one of the world’s greatest blues/roots bands.)

317 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:40:34am

re: #304 karmic_inquisitor

time is not on our side….real bad shit is gonna happen sooner than later…Iran is a sideshow compared to what’s coming down the pike,,,full bore, straight at us and we fret over Ann Coulter and creationism….hahaha!….we deserve the hit we’re gonna take

318 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:40:41am

re: #299 JCM

Step 4: Brag on LGF2

Step 5: Profit!

319 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:40:50am

re: #312 Idle Drifter

Don’t forget all the Not-In-My-Backyard actions to block wind turbines and solar panels because they may take away from the natural beauty of the Massachusetts coast line and disrupt the migration patterns of the desert tortoise in the Mojave Desert.

Why that’s just silly! It just takes the tortoise a little longer to get around them. And have you ever seen a tortoise in a hurry?

:-)

320 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:41:22am

re: #79 pingjockey

BIG COW FLATULENCE IS RIPPING US OFF!

Since we are obviously off topic, I’d like some expert to tell me the number of bison there were on the North American continent when the early settlers arrived vs. the number of cows we have now. Or alternatively, tell me that those bison didn’t burp and fart. (I guess native species shit doesn’t stink.)

321 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:41:44am

re: #308 subsailor68


is there a pattern here?

322 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:41:54am

re: #207 avanti

How many times to I have to correct the “Obama and Hillary munching on hot dogs with the Iranians” line ? That was never suggested, just a cable weeks ago allowing embassies around the world to invite diplomats from Iran to a cookout. Based on recent events, even that is likely off the table. I agree the suggested spin will raise the blood pressure on the right, but some would prefer the truth, even if it was less outrageous.


Avanti, thetre is absolutely ne reaso to assume that the invitations to the Iranian diplomats is off of the table. Media reports that I have heard say that the invitations stand.
Sven if this took place prior to the unrest, the invitations should be recinded. And why invite diplomats from a nation that we have no diplomatic relations with?

323 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:42:54am

re: #311 JCM

It’s a moral question…..
Should we the dinosaurs have died in vain?

//

Who are we to judge! That’s it!

Letting the dinosaurs deaths have no meaning by not harvesting the bounty of said deaths would be to judge dinosaur culture harshly! We would thereby engage in dinophobia!

Those who seek green energy are judgmental dinophobes!

324 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:42:59am

re: #317 albusteve

time is not on our side….real bad shit is gonna happen sooner than later…Iran is a sideshow compared to what’s coming down the pike,,,full bore, straight at us and we fret over Ann Coulter and creationism….hahaha!….we deserve the hit we’re gonna take

I agree, in the sense that right now the country is being run by the radical left, and the wacky right is trying to be crazier than any other clown in the car, and in the meantime, the major dictators on the planet are peeing in their pants in anticipation of yanking our cranks.

And as a country, we do nothing.

325 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:43:00am

re: #256 JCM

As long as all that’s being served is pulled pork and beer…….

If only all that’s being pulled were pork.

326 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:43:07am

re: #322 opnion

And why invite diplomats from a nation that we have no diplomatic relations with?

Because if we do, they’ll unclench their fists!

327 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:43:13am

re: #316 Mad Al-Jaffee

Wasn’t he the boxer on Laverne and Shirley?

///

328 kansas  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:43:51am

re: #322 opnion

And why invite diplomats from a nation that we have no diplomatic relations with?

329 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:44:08am

re: #322 opnion

Avanti, thetre is absolutely ne reaso to assume that the invitations to the Iranian diplomats is off of the table. Media reports that I have heard say that the invitations stand.
Sven if this took place prior to the unrest, the invitations should be recinded. And why invite diplomats from a nation that we have no diplomatic relations with?

To be diplomatic? We are stupid? To make fists unclench? To allow the Iranians to see the wonders of Obama?

/There are just so many reasons to go through.

330 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:44:09am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Not quite right:

Step 4: Whine and seethe when others point out that you left the turd.

Step 5: Get bounced out on your ass by Charles.

Step 6: Brag on LGF2

Step 7: Bitch about your banning on LGF2 and lie about how Charles hates [Christians/the antijihad/conservatives/your mother] to obscure why you got banned for leaving the turd in the first place.

331 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:44:15am

re: #252 quickjustice

Obama is trying to exclude every conceivable energy source for America except those controlled by his crony capitalists. That includes Alberta oil and the Alberta tar sands.

* * * *
Democrat ass kissing governor Tim Kaine won’t let us drill offshore here in VIRGINIA.

(By the way, Kaine is more AWOL as our governor than South Carolina’s Mark Sanford. Kaine is now head of the DNC and won’t release his travel records on DNC business) Dem’s hypocrisy is right out in the open.

332 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:44:20am

re: #327 rightside

No, you got the wrong guy. Pete’s a full time musician. Has been since the 70s.

333 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:44:44am

re: #91 albusteve

how is it that the govt ‘owns’ our energy resources?…how is it that the govt controls our economy and our lives?…this is wrong…th govy does not serve the people

We’re cooked! (Twilight Zone reference)

334 Syrah  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:44:52am

re: #172 axegrinder

I just got to this party so somebody probably already mentioned it but don’t the Saudi’s pay what is in effect ‘protection’ money to terrorists? Much like we have been with N. Korea? Just sayin’

Different.

Its not like we support the Norks goals and worldview. We have just been stupid with the failed attempts to bribe the Norks into behaving like civilized tyrants.

For the Saudis, they are engaged in act of piety.

335 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:45:31am

re: #321 albusteve

is there a pattern here?

Hi albusteve! Why, I do believe there is! Something about an all-out assault on the free market I’d guess!

;-)

336 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:46:08am

re: #322 opnion

Avanti, thetre is absolutely ne reaso to assume that the invitations to the Iranian diplomats is off of the table. Media reports that I have heard say that the invitations stand.
Sven if this took place prior to the unrest, the invitations should be recinded. And why invite diplomats from a nation that we have no diplomatic relations with?

Officials: Obama reconsidering July 4th invitations to Iran
updated 22 minutes ago

The Obama administration is seriously considering not extending invitations to Iranian diplomats for Fourth of July celebrations overseas, senior administration officials tell CNN.
President Obama on Tuesday toughened his stance on Iran’s crackdown on protesters.

The officials said intense discussions on the issue were taking place, but the final decision had not been made.

IT SHOULD BE A SLAM DUNK NO BRAINER DECISION!

seriously considering
intense discussions

WHISKY TANGO FOXTROT

337 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:46:18am

re: #319 subsailor68

Why that’s just silly! It just takes the tortoise a little longer to get around them. And have you ever seen a tortoise in a hurry?

:-)

That’s because they and some turtles are packing some serious firepower.

338 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:46:19am

re: #326 Mad Al-Jaffee

Because if we do, they’ll unclench their fists!

Must be the reason. Obama is sooooo nuanced.

339 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:46:21am

re: #307 NoWhereAlaska

To pun, or not to pun: that is the question:
Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous humor,
Or to take arms against that sea of wit,
And by opposing end them?
The mind-aches and the thousand natural shocks
That bad puns are heir to, ‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish’d. To laugh, to groan;
To try mightily to pun: ay, there’s the rub;

The pun’s the thing
Wherein I’ll catch the approval of the ding

340 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:46:36am

re: #30 pat

Meanwhile Obama likens CO2 to asbestos. The important things first.

That’s gotta be in the Top 10 list of dumb things he’s said. Save the planet - Stop breathing!

341 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:46:44am

re: #283 avanti

The invitation was for diplomats from around the world to local embassies, not to the White House, nor to munch on hot dogs with Hillary and the POTUS. If you can’t see the difference in a potential hot dog eating with the embassy in Greece and doing so at the WH with Obama, I can’t explain it.

Avanti - you really are hidebound aren’t you?

Will a White House spokesman be a good enough source for you on the matter? Or are White House spokesmen part of the Tea Party/Nirther/Paulian?LGF redux?

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]

342 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:46:54am

re: #331 alegrias

Corzine wont let drilling off the coast of NJ, and has only now gotten around to allowing prospective leases to erect wind turbine test rigs - to see if it’s even feasible to build offshore wind farms.

That’s right - they don’t even know if it makes sense to build ‘em because no one has done any long term study of the wind patterns locally to see if it’s workable.

343 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:47:09am

re: #333 Son of the Black Dog

We’re cooked! (Twilight Zone reference)

But, but, the administration has a book called “To Serve Man” don’t they?

;-)

344 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:47:10am

re: #145 zelnaga

I must be missing something. In-so-far as I know, California doesn’t have oil. What resource do they have that drilling would allow them to get at?

California has a lot of oil. Both onshore and offshore. A large part of the city of Los Angeles sits atop an oilfield. There’s at least one dummy building on Wilshire Boulevard that contains a producing well, or at least used to be.

345 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:47:24am

re: #336 JCM

IT SHOULD BE A SLAM DUNK NO BRAINER DECISION!

seriously considering
intense discussions

WHISKY TANGO FOXTROT

Thanks for postng that. I hadn’t heard that before.

346 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:47:29am

re: #333 Son of the Black Dog

“How to Cook for Forty Humans.”

347 Tamron  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:47:37am

re: #286 subsailor68

Fear not! Help is on the way:

Feds lend Tesla $465 million to build electric car


Since we the taxpayers are being tapped for this ‘loan’, this means we can get an extra discount (as partial payback) if we want to order a Tesla, right?
.

348 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:48:11am

On the Saudis’ donations to terrorists, I think that’s how the Saudis try to buy peace and influence with the most dangerous extremists in the Muslim world. It worked for the Clintons, who have been in the pay of the Saudis, Chinese, and others for many years. Why not everyone else?

349 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:48:27am

re: #319 subsailor68

And have you ever seen a tortoise in a hurry?

:-)

With or without model rocket boosters? This will affect my answer. /

350 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:48:42am
351 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:49:14am

re: #319 subsailor68

Why that’s just silly! It just takes the tortoise a little longer to get around them. And have you ever seen a tortoise in a hurry?

:-)

Didn’t Pelosi introduce legislation to declare the entire Mojave desert basin area to be off limits to any development forever? Or am I just having a senior moment?

352 Tamron  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:49:26am

re: #290 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, with no nuclear power and no oil and no coal, where the electricity to power the thing is going to come from remains an open question.

Look closely — see the bicycle pedals on the floor?
.

353 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:49:34am

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Probably the only reason they’re reconsidering is that the Iranians might be insulted if they were served Hebrew National hot dogs.

Would they prefer Best’s Kosher?

354 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:49:54am

re: #43 lawhawk

Link? And if Obama said that, the stupidity of that statement is breathtaking. Asbestos is a known and provable carcinogen. CO2? That’s the stuff everyone exhales, and which people like Al Gore produce in greater quantities with their transnational joyrides on airplanes to preach to the choir on global warming.

Think of how much CO2 a 60-member choir exhales during a performance of Handel’s Messiah! Ban all choirs!

355 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:50:10am

re: #351 JohnnyReb

Didn’t Pelosi introduce legislation to declare the entire Mojave desert basin area to be off limits to any development forever? Or am I just having a senior moment?

I didn’t know that - have to check it out. (BTW, it sure wouldn’t surprise me!)

356 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:50:13am

re: #352 Tamron

Look closely — see the bicycle pedals on the floor?
.

Nah, too much carbon dioxide emissions.

357 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:50:20am
358 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:50:46am

re: #354 Cygnus

Penn & Teller did a great episode of Bullshit! about global warming, carbon credits and Al Gore. I think it’s from season 6 and you can probably find it online.

359 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:50:49am

re: #342 lawhawk

There’s a proposal pending to put wind turbines off Jones Beach on Long Island.

We’d get much more energy at less cost by installing miniature nuclear power plants in Manhattan.

360 Madeline  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:51:04am

re: #344 Alberta Oil Peon

Yes, oil well at Berverly Hills High School:

[Link: oilshalegas.com…]

361 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:51:13am
362 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:51:18am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Ok, squabble away folks. I gotta go grocery shopping anyways. Have fun!

KT, you’re crossing a line these days. Low SNR, you might say.

363 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:51:22am

re: #354 Cygnus

Oh, you haven’t gone far enough.

Just think of how much CO2 the White House press corps exhales during their tingling sensation moments when they’re in the presence of Obama. /

364 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:51:24am

re: #357 buzzsawmonkey

They are capable of intermittent bursts of speed, or so I’m told. One of them once won a race by a hare.

LOL! But he cheated. He stole a VW Rabbit.

365 Tamron  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:52:12am

re: #354 Cygnus

Think of how much CO2 a 60-member choir exhales during a performance of Handel’s Messiah! Ban all choirs!


Installing a big gasbag over DC would be much more revealing…
.

366 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:52:15am

re: #359 quickjustice

… miniature nuclear power plants in Manhattan.

PR nightmare waiting to happen: Manhattan project…

367 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:52:32am

re: #362 haakondahl

KT, you’re crossing a line these days. Low SNR, you might say.

Old radio nerds like me got that.

368 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:52:45am

Here’s an amusing local story. DC, where irony never dies.

[Link: scottstake.blogspot.com…]

369 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:52:45am

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Probably the only reason they’re reconsidering is that the Iranians might be insulted if they were served Hebrew National hot dogs.

Then they can pound sand.

370 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:53:22am

re: #357 buzzsawmonkey

They are capable of intermittent bursts of speed, or so I’m told. One of them once won a race by a hare.

LOL!

371 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #365 Tamron

Installing a big gasbag over DC would be much more revealing…

That would be a great way to heat houses on the cheap in the winter. A lot of hot air in that bunch.

372 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:53:32am

re: #366 DaddyG

The greens will fight nukes, but miniature nuclear power plants now are safe and reliable.

373 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:53:52am

re: #331 alegrias

* * * *
Democrat ass kissing governor Tim Kaine won’t let us drill offshore here in VIRGINIA.

(By the way, Kaine is more AWOL as our governor than South Carolina’s Mark Sanford. Kaine is now head of the DNC and won’t release his travel records on DNC business) Dem’s hypocrisy is right out in the open.

Speaking of which, I saw on elevator news that Gov. Sanford said he was in Argentina while he was AWOL. What do you - or anyone else - make of that?

374 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:54:22am

re: #372 quickjustice

The greens will fight nukes, but miniature nuclear power plants now are safe and reliable.

liberalism is a hate crime

375 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:54:32am

re: #359 quickjustice

There’s a proposal pending to put wind turbines off Jones Beach on Long Island.

We’d get much more energy at less cost by installing miniature nuclear power plants in Manhattan.

I want one….. smaller than a shipping container.

376 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:54:59am

re: #362 haakondahl

KT, you’re crossing a line these days. Low SNR, you might say.

What’s SNR?

377 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:55:00am

re: #373 Dianna

Speaking of which, I saw on elevator news that Gov. Sanford said he was in Argentina while he was AWOL. What do you - or anyone else - make of that?

I’d say his chances of becoming President just went from almost none to totally none.

378 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:55:08am

re: #90 pingjockey

That’s what killed the dinosaurs. Not a asteroid. I mean really, how much gas does a 70 ton herbivore put into the atmosphere?

And one dino-fart could probably kill everything 100 yards downwind. So that’s where they hid the WMDs!

379 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:55:10am

re: #373 Dianna

Speaking of which, I saw on elevator news that Gov. Sanford said he was in Argentina while he was AWOL. What do you - or anyone else - make of that?


for the record I could care less

380 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:55:27am

re: #373 Dianna

Speaking of which, I saw on elevator news that Gov. Sanford said he was in Argentina while he was AWOL. What do you - or anyone else - make of that?

A reporter intercepted him getting off of a plane from Buenos Aires.

381 rightside  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:55:48am

re: #376 Dianna

signal-to-noise ratio.

382 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:06am

re: #376 Dianna

What’s SNR?

Signal to Noise Ratio.

383 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:08am

re: #373 Dianna

By all accounts, he was burned out in the aftermath of the legislative session. After that, the stories diverge. So far, it sounds like rest and recuperation. Because he or his staff deceived the media, there’s speculation it’s something more sinister.

384 Madeline  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:14am

re: #350 buzzsawmonkey

Hebrew National hot dogs are pork free! Too good for those goons!

385 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:25am

re: #106 pingjockey

Fossilist! Don’t you know…there are no transitional Beano fossils!

Beano sprout fossils.

386 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:25am

re: #377 Honorary Yooper

I’d say his chances of becoming President just went from almost none to totally none.

No big surprise, I guess. I hadn’t read the story - mostly because I’m busy writing checks and otherwise doing what I get paid for - but I wondered what others made of this business.

387 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #376 Dianna

What’s SNR?

Radio term. Signal to noise ratio; that is, the amount of content (signal) buried in the static (noise)

388 LGoPs  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:30am

re: #380 opnion

A reporter intercepted him getting off of a plane from Buenos Aires.

That was pretty arrogant and pampas of him.

389 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:40am

re: #325 haakondahl

If only all that’s being pulled were pork.

Better to push the goat than to pull the pork.
- Arab folk saying

390 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:47am

re: #381 rightside

signal-to-noise ratio.

Oh. I’m an idjit. Thanks.

391 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:56:53am

re: #372 quickjustice

The greens will fight nukes, but miniature nuclear power plants now are safe and reliable.

I agree about the relative safety of the newer nuke technology. (should have used a sarc tag on my last post) I was just thinking any nuclear project in Manhattan could run up against a serious PR problem if the words Manhattan and Project were combined the wrong way.

392 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:57:06am

re: #375 JCM

I want one….. smaller than a shipping container.

Bigger than a bread box. BTW, anyone still use one of those?

393 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:57:16am

re: #387 Kosh’s Shadow

Radio term. Signal to noise ratio; that is, the amount of content (signal) buried in the static (noise)

I actually should have known that.

394 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:57:36am

re: #375 JCM

I want one….. smaller than a shipping container.


somehow the SC needs to step in and remove the stop gap lawsuits that dismiss this technology….there is something very wrong here

395 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:57:58am

re: #391 DaddyG

I agree about the relative safety of the newer nuke technology. (should have used a sarc tag on my last post) I was just thinking any nuclear project in Manhattan could run up against a serious PR problem if the words Manhattan and Project were combined the wrong way.

Well we could just call it the Alan Parsons Project and use a giant “Laser” instead………

396 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:57:59am

Well, now that Pravda East is reporting it, maybe Democrats will allow themselves to believe it. It’s not news to us out here in the real world.

Keep the link handy for the next time some yutz babbles about “Jews controlling foreign policy”.

Transactions with dates, times, and amounts… LOL. And by LOL I mean, “funny tragic”, not “funny ha-ha”.

397 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:58:40am

re: #389 Spare O’Lake

Better to push the goat camek than to pull the pork.
- Arab folk saying

corrected

398 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:59:15am

re: #391 DaddyG

I agree about the relative safety of the newer nuke technology. (should have used a sarc tag on my last post) I was just thinking any nuclear project in Manhattan could run up against a serious PR problem if the words Manhattan and Project were combined the wrong way.

Hmmm…good point actually. But, here’s a Manhattan Project I could really get behind!

399 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 10:59:36am

re: #395 JohnnyReb

Or frickin’ sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads.

400 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:00:00am

re: #395 JohnnyReb

Well we could just call it the Alan Parsons Project and use a giant “Laser” instead………

Ah, the games people play…

401 Tamron  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:00:19am
402 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:00:22am

re: #398 subsailor68

Hmmm…good point actually. But, here’s a Manhattan Project I could really get behind!

Right! Just probably not the kind of image you want associated with a commercial nuclear power initiative.

403 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:00:38am

re: #388 LGoPs

That was pretty arrogant and pampas of him.

He is one shifty caballero.

404 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:00:56am

re: #394 albusteve

somehow the SC needs to step in and remove the stop gap lawsuits that dismiss this technology….there is something very wrong here

Even if just for emergency use, you could get almost a dozen on a C-17, into a disaster zone…… hospital backup power…

I know my industry they’d pay as backups for wafer fabs, we had a power failure despite being hooked to two grids, cost millions in lost wafers.

405 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:01:00am

re: #375 JCM

I want one….. smaller than a shipping container.

I always remember the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode in which the crew finds survivors of an alien attack on a destroyed planet, living peacefully in their homes, and La Forge describes their house as “having an old fusion reactor in the basement”. Of course later it’s revealed that one of the survivors is really a powerful alien and the whole thing is an illusion, but I always liked the idea of having basement fusion.

406 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:01:27am

re: #175 MandyManners

Aren’t they up to the 8th Century?

That’s why they’re taking the Remedial Terrorist class.

407 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:01:36am

re: #401 Tamron Great! some guy gets government grants to measure cow farts.

408 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:02:00am

re: #403 opnion

He is one shifty caballero.

How gaucho can you get?

409 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:03:04am

All these screaming environmentalists will never visit the Northern Slope of Alaska or the Mojave Desert because they can’t be without their creature comforts of an urban life style. You wouldn’t believe the number of people who gave me the “Why would you live there? There’s nothing out there!” rhetoric for living in places like Arizona and Wyoming. Also these urban enviromantalists might run into the locals that could have benefited from the energy jobs. So we are stuck with buying our oil from a country whose Prince population has no problem giving money to terrorists in the hundreds of millions.

410 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:05:08am

re: #30 pat

Meanwhile Obama likens CO2 to asbestos. The important things first.

Obama would lose any argument about cap and trade on the facts so he’s resorting to scare tactics.


.

411 axegrinder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:07:33am

re: #310 quickjustice

And don’t you understand the difference between metaphor and a narrow, literal understanding?

Your civics education: Obama is President of the U.S. He is ultimately responsible for foreign policy. The buck stops there.

Hillary Clinton is his Secretary of State. Through the U.S. State Department, which she heads, she is responsible for implementing the President’s foreign policy. The U.S. State Department, implementing the President’s policy, has told U.S. embassies they are free to invite murderous Iranian diplomats to our embassies for 4th of July festivities to “engage” the regime that is murdering its citizens en masse.

So why can’t I suggest that Obama’s foreign policy is attributable to Obama? Because you’re a fool?

Ah, but the Anointed One is not at fault here. It is Dem Joos./

412 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:07:37am

re: #336 JCM

IT SHOULD BE A SLAM DUNK NO BRAINER DECISION!

seriously considering
intense discussions

WHISKY TANGO FOXTROT

Quit yer seething, teabag.

413 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:08:31am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Ok, squabble away folks. I gotta go grocery shopping anyways. Have fun!

Pick up some milk for me, willya? Fat-free.

414 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:09:41am

re: #403 opnion

He is one shifty caballero.

Who do you think you are, Goacho Marx?

415 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:12:00am

re: #376 Dianna

What’s SNR?

I see that others have answered—the implication is one of rather more heat than light.

416 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:13:13am

re: #343 subsailor68

But, but, the administration has a book called “To Serve Man” don’t they?

;-)

Soylent Green is People!

417 enoughalready  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:14:08am

I think I am going to have a heart attack from being not surprised.

418 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:14:39am

re: #123 NonNativeTexan

The world is not perfect. I have no problems with the
US alliance with the Soviet Union against Hitler.
Sometimes you have to fight the biggest SOB while
befriending another who is a SOB also.

I’m not offering any judgements or advice, just reciting history.

419 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:14:43am

re: #395 JohnnyReb

Well we could just call it the Alan Parsons Project and use a giant “Laser” instead………

Wouldn’t that make it the Blue Öyster Cult Project?

420 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:14:47am

re: #363 lawhawk

Oh, you haven’t gone far enough.

Just think of how much CO2 the White House press corps exhales during their tingling sensation moments when they’re in the presence of Obama. /

Ban all Obamagasms!

421 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:18:36am

re: #414 Mad Al-Jaffee

Who do you think you are, Goacho Marx?

Comedy equals timing, spelling and the other thing.

422 Tamron  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:19:29am

re: #407 DaddyG

Great! some guy gets government grants to measure cow farts.


Hey, we wouldn’t need micro-nuke powerplants, if Pelosi and her crew wore those gasbags on their backs…

Heh.
.

423 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:19:31am

re: #365 Tamron

Installing a big gasbag over DC would be much more revealing…
.

DC has all the gasbags it needs, and then some.

424 SFGoth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:20:03am

re: #380 opnion

A reporter intercepted him getting off of a plane from Buenos Aires.

Can they keep him? :->

425 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:23:15am

re: #423 Son of the Black Dog

DC has all the gasbags it needs, and then some.

Coming to theatres soon - UP 2! Starring Ted Kennedy as old guy liberal who uses giant DC gasbag and travels to Antarctica!

426 JCM  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:24:03am

re: #412 haakondahl

Quit yer seething, teabag.

I’m still steeping, I’ll be at a full boil soon.

427 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:46:02am

re: #317 albusteve

time is not on our side….real bad shit is gonna happen sooner than later…Iran is a sideshow compared to what’s coming down the pike,,,full bore, straight at us and we fret over Ann Coulter and creationism….hahaha!….we deserve the hit we’re gonna take

Time. Time. The Iranian dictatorship, should it hold power, will eventually get nukes. North Korea already has the bomb. Saddam’s out of the picture.

In 1943, the fascist Italian government fell, so we were only facing two of the original Axis of Evil Three. That didn’t mean our troubles were even one-third over. Yes, there’s problems on the horizon. But how do you figure that Iran, or more accurately, today’s Iranian regime, is a sideshow? They’re working towards nukes. Ahmadinejad has vowed to wipe out Israel, which if he tries it will lead to a nuclear war with dozens of bombs shot off, if not worse. And every time he makes that vow, the ritual response is to chant Death To America, Death to Britain, Death to Israel.
This is hardly a guaranty that our neutrality will be respected, if we were to be neutral in a war between Israel and Iran. If Iran starts such a war, though, we should side with Israel.

North Korea today threatened to wipe the U.S. off the map. They cannot do it, but such deranged talk is a clue that this other still-standing member of the Axis of Evil may well run amok in deed as well as in word.

428 Mike McDaniel  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:09pm

re: #286 subsailor68

Fear not! Help is on the way:

Feds lend Tesla $465 million to build electric car

Oh, also loans to Ford and Nissan.

And, WOW! Tesla has gotten the cost of goods for the Roadster the materials and labor cost to build the car down to about $80,000

A real people’s car for sure!

(If this is a good idea, private investors would invest. The Feds using our tax money - “loan” or otherwise - is a little irritating.)


Four hundred sixty-five million.

Let me put it another way.

That sum of money would buy four new F-22s to replace 30-year-old F-15s. Or a new ship for the Navy to replace 40-year old ships. Or about 50 tanks for the Army to replace their Reagan-era relics.

But no, we can’t spend money on the people who keep us safe. We need to buy rich snobs their battery-powered cars.

Pardon me while I become sick.

429 maryatexitzero  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 7:23:52pm

Their support of AQ is common knowledge. It was
drastically cut back if not eliminated after 9/11.

NonNativeTexan - (#25) That is absolutely NOT TRUE. According to Stuart Levey, the US Treasury official in charge of tracking terror financing, wealthy Saudis remain the chief financiers of worldwide terror networks. Their worldwide Al-Haramain “Charity” Group is still in operation, despite the fact that the UN and the US recognize it as a terror supporting organization.

Saudis also suport the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb ut Tahrir and CAIR. When these organizations go out of business, we’ll know that the Sauds are no longer supporting terrorism. Right now, CAIR, Hizb, and the Muslim Brotherhood are still going strong.

Half the foreign fighters held by the US at Camp Cropper near Baghdad are Saudis. They are kept in yellow jumpsuits in a separate, windowless compound after they attempted to impose sharia on the other detainees and preached an extreme form of Wahhabist Islam.

The majority of foreign fighters and suicide bombers in Iraq were Saudi. Young Saudis were sent by their Chief Justice, Sheik Saleh Al Luhaidan, to wage war against America in Iraq. King Abdullah approved of this action, and promoted Al Luhaidan.

Saudi clerics provide a stream of recruits to some of the world’s nastiest trouble spots. Saudis made up 55% of foreign fighters in Iraq.

Saudi Arabia is our enemy. Their support of terrorism worldwide makes them enemies of most of the human race.


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