Obama Sending Ambassador to Syria

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Barack Obama is reopening the US’s diplomatic mission in Damascus: U.S. to Return Ambassador to Syria After 4-Year Absence.

President Obama has decided to return a U.S. ambassador to Syria after an absence of more than four years, marking a significant step toward engaging an influential Arab nation long at odds with the United States.

The acting assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs, Jeffrey D. Feltman, informed Syria’s ambassador to Washington, Imad Mustafa, tonight of Obama’s intention, according to a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the decision had yet to be made public.

By returning a senior U.S. envoy to Damascus, the Syrian capital, the Obama administration is seeking to carve out a far larger role for the United States in the region as the president works to rehabilitate U.S. relations with the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East.

The Bush administration withdrew its ambassador in February 2005 to protest the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq al-Hariri.

I guess we stopped caring about that. Why let a little political murder get in the way of diplomacy?

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362 comments
1 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:11:59pm

OMG!

2 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:27pm
3 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:14:51pm

Why let a little thing like the take-over of the entire country of Lebanon get in the way of selling out an American ally?

4 jcbunga  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:15:00pm

Maybe the Mad Dentist is part of the Obamacare solution.

5 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:15:04pm

Obama seems oblivious to the actions of our enemies. What about the North Korean nuclear reactor that Israel took care of?

It’s like Obama just wants to pursue his own fantasies of what the world is like, events that actually happen don’t matter.

6 dhg4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:15:04pm

I guess we stopped caring about that. Why let a little political murder get in the way of diplomacy?

Because as the Washington Post reported:

Syrian intelligence officials are suspected of being behind the bombing in Beirut that killed him, a claim Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has long rejected.

If Assad rejected the claim, what business do we have judging him?

7 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:15:57pm

On a related story, Obama is mad that at the Lipstein Family for putting that half bath in their Jerusalem home after having twin boys. Obama was quoted as saying that ” hey it’s hot over there. let them piss outside”.

8 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:13pm

I swear to God, there’s no one in the admin with a grasp on reality.

9 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:21pm
I guess we stopped caring about that. Why let a little political murder get in the way of diplomacy?

Well, why would Obama care. It’s already evident that he doesn’t care that violence is being carried out against the population of Iran, against hundreds of people who are exercising free speech, and he is still inviting diplomats to drop in for a little 4th of July party at embassies. One little murder in Syria, no problemo! Let’s party.

10 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:33pm
By returning a senior U.S. envoy to Damascus, the Syrian capital, the Obama administration is seeking to carve out a far larger role for the United States in the region as the president works to rehabilitate U.S. relations with the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East.

There comes a point when rehabilitation just won’t work.

11 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:36pm

Can we postpone the rehabilitation U.S. relations with the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East until the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East do some rehabilitation of their own.

This relationship is looking very co-dependant at this point.

12 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:57pm
13 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:57pm

I guess because it happened before he got into office? History begins with Obama’s inauguration, or something?

14 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:44pm

re: #4 jcbunga

Maybe the Mad Dentist is part of the Obamacare solution.

His an Eye Doctor. Don’t pin that on us Dentists.

15 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:46pm

“….as the president works to rehabilitate U.S. relations with the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East….

by selling out the Jews as well as every single American principle in the process.

16 blangwort  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:59pm

If this is how BHO makes nice with Muslim countries, I want none of it.

Yeah, let’s reward their politically motivated assassinations, their support of terrorists, their invasion of other countries, and their attempts at manufacturing nuclear weaponry.

I think I’m gonna puke…

17 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:18:01pm

Just in time for hot dogs on the Fourth.

18 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:18:01pm
19 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:18:49pm

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

Reminder to US diplomats: if you invite Assad over to the embassy for a libation or two, don’t toast by saying “Chin, chin!”

It’s a tender point with him.

Like Obama’s ears? So they won’t toast saying, “Hear! Hear!”

20 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:19:03pm

Unless it is Ambassador Jack Bauer, I don’t see a whole lot of good coming out of this.

21 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:19:28pm

Are you Syrious?/

22 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:19:28pm

Obama foreign policy:
Insult our allies.
Reach out to thugs.

23 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:19:41pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

In the loony days of the French Revolution, they decided to start re-numbering the years starting from the storming of the Bastille, so there is historical precedent.

I was thinking the same thing.

It would make the whole “Zero” thing more explicit.

24 Baier  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:03pm

Beat people over the head with clubs. Stone people in the streets. Promote genocide. Kill American soldiers. Do whatever you want. We will still negotiate with you.

We know it’s not you doing this, it’s the Israeli settlements.//

25 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:06pm

re: #22 jcm

Obama foreign policy:
Insult our allies.
Reach out to thugs.

…and when all else fails, a waffle!

26 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:06pm

Does anybody think sanity is going to break out anytime soon with respect to obambi and the Middle east?

27 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:07pm

I miss Dubya …

Shit …. I even miss Clinton compared to this travesty of an administration.

28 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:07pm

Just Following Through

We just didn’t want to believe him.

Freedom’s Edge
Commerce Department Waives Syria Sanctions
Claudia Rosett, 02.12.09, 12:00 AM EST
Is an olive branch to Damascus really in U.S. interests?

“We will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.” This was President Obama’s inaugural offer last month to troublesome tyrants around the world. Most attention has focused on the relevance of that offer to Iran, following Obama’s campaign promise to talk without preconditions (an offer to which Tehran has now responded with, you guessed it, a list of conditions).

But let’s spare a moment for Iran’s terror-sponsoring neighbor and sidekick, Syria—where already the Obama administration is not only extending a hand, but has just waived sanctions to allow aircraft servicing.

29 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:10pm

re: #8 pingjockey

I swear to God, there’s no one in the admin with a grasp on reality.

30 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:29pm
31 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:42pm

I knew it too…

32 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:42pm

re: #26 pingjockey

Does anybody think sanity is going to break out anytime soon with respect to obambi and the Middle east?

Ah NO. It will take a disaster. But it’s coming

33 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:54pm

Obama seems to have invested his entire self in supporting a specific class of underdogs (those which are assumed to have been the victim of the Western, and particularly American, capital-E Establishment.)

He will do whatever it takes to push his ideology forward.

/I hereby bet the rent money that he’s never watched MacBeth

34 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:04pm

when will the decent Democratic politicians step up and call bullshit on Obama? the first one that does will be a hero.

35 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:20pm
36 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:45pm

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

re: #33 pre-Boomer Marine brat


Underdog/hot dog diplomacy!

Wurst case scenario…

37 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:51pm

re: #32 Nevergiveup
That is what I’m thinking. Tel Aviv a smoking hole and then the results of that.

38 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:04pm

re: #34 _RememberTonyC

when will the decent Democratic politicians step up and call bullshit on Obama? the first one that does will be a hero.

I am not holding my breath

39 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:09pm

re: #36 DisturbedEma

Wurst case scenario…

I can’t believe you brat that up.

40 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:10pm

re: #8 pingjockey

I swear to God, there’s no one in the admin with a grasp on reality.

* * * *
Also, this Administration proudly rejected the Bush “reality” they inherited.
Now it’s GOOD to talk with terrorists.

41 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:22pm

Everything Obama does regarding his Middle East foreign policy can be explain quite simply:

Establish a Palestinian State either next to Israel or as a replacement for Israel and the Middle East will cease to be a problem.

42 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:30pm

re: #39 MrSilverDragon

re: #36 DisturbedEma


I can’t believe you brat that up.

I’m on a roll…

43 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:45pm

re: #21 Creeping Eruption

Are you Syrious?/

Damned in mass, cuss us.

44 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:50pm

With Sanford and the other guy who just got caught cheating, and Obama being Obama, maybe it’s just me, but I sure still Love Sarah Palin.

45 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:58pm

re: #26 pingjockey

Does anybody think sanity is going to break out anytime soon with respect to obambi and the Middle east?

WHen the hell are we going to hear ANYTHING from conservative politicians about anything he is doing?

Am I missing something, or did all the GOP politicians in the country, whether in DC or state and local governments, take a trip to Argentina this summer.

All I hear is crickets. This is not funny, because if this keeps up, there is not going to be any conservative politician who will be in any position to challenge any progressive in 2010, 2012 or beyond.

46 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:03pm

re: #42 DisturbedEma

I’m on a roll…

French or onion or poppy-seed?

47 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:08pm

re: #25 MrSilverDragon

…and when all else fails, a waffle!

cone!

48 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:24pm

re: #46 Dianna

re: #42 DisturbedEma


French or onion or poppy-seed?

Challah…

49 Sabba Hillel  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:45pm

I would guess that he plans to send Jack Ryan over there. Then again, he is a Chicago politician. He is probably happy with the restraint Assad showed in only hitting one person.

50 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:45pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

WHen the hell are we going to hear ANYTHING from conservative politicians about anything he is doing?

Am I missing something, or did all the GOP politicians in the country, whether in DC or state and local governments, take a trip to Argentina this summer.

All I hear is crickets. This is not funny, because if this keeps up, there is not going to be any conservative politician who will be in any position to challenge any progressive in 2010, 2012 or beyond.

WORD!

51 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:47pm

I’m sure that this will end well. After all, what could possibly go wrong with talking to a bunch of murderous thugs like Assad? /

52 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:55pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

WHen the hell are we going to hear ANYTHING from conservative politicians about anything he is doing?

Am I missing something, or did all the GOP politicians in the country, whether in DC or state and local governments, take a trip to Argentina this summer.

All I hear is crickets. This is not funny, because if this keeps up, there is not going to be any conservative politician who will be in any position to challenge any progressive in 2010, 2012 or beyond.

I thought McCain was critical of him over the weekend.

53 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:04pm

re: #38 DisturbedEma

I am not holding my breath


they’re petrified of being called racists.

54 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:15pm

re: #52 capitalist piglet

re: #45 Walter L. Newton


I thought McCain was critical of him over the weekend.

sour grapes natch…

55 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:30pm

Sigh, only the Washington Post would publish this kind of claptrap:

President Obama has decided to return a U.S. ambassador to Syria after an absence of more than four years, marking a significant step toward engaging an influential Arab nation long at odds with the United States.

“Long at odds”? Are you kidding? How about something like “a brutal dictatorship justly condemned by the United States”?

56 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:39pm

re: #52 capitalist piglet

I thought McCain was critical of him over the weekend.

Oh yea, there’s a real powerhouse for you.

57 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:51pm

Øbama is doing (in both domestic and foreign policy) exactly as promised. The feared outcome, is.

58 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:54pm

re: #53 _RememberTonyC

re: #38 DisturbedEma


they’re petrified of being called racists.

Suppose so, but they sure did not mind attacking Steele…

59 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:55pm

re: #54 DisturbedEma

sour grapes natch…

I sooooo read that wrong.

/almost squicked.

60 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:25:01pm

re: #46 Dianna

French or onion or poppy-seed?

Cinnamon

61 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:25:05pm

re: #51 lawhawk

I’m sure that this will end well. After all, what could possibly go wrong with talking to a bunch of murderous thugs like Assad? /

Ya’r dam right. look how swell talking to Arafat worked out!

62 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:25:11pm

I’m running out of walls and tables to pound my head on.

63 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

Oh yea, there’s a real powerhouse for you.

Well, you said “ANYTHING”.

64 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:25:24pm

re: #59 MrSilverDragon

re: #54 DisturbedEma


I sooooo read that wrong.

/almost squicked.


hey, I was thinking that…

65 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:25:32pm

re: #7 Nevergiveup

On a related story, Obama is mad that at the Lipstein Family for putting that half bath in their Jerusalem home after having twin boys. Obama was quoted as saying that ” hey it’s hot over there. let them piss outside”.

Not quite; if a drop of their piss landed on land Obama thinks the Israelis should give away, he’d send them a strongly worded letter for contaminating Arab land.

66 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #44 Nevergiveup

With Sanford and the other guy who just got caught cheating, and Obama being Obama, maybe it’s just me, but I sure still Love Sarah Palin.

* * * *
Gov. Palin nailed the Obama policy: Pal-ling around with terrorists.

Succinct and dead on.

67 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:26:21pm

re: #65 Kosh’s Shadow

re: #7 Nevergiveup


Not quite; if a drop of their piss landed on land Obama thinks the Israelis should give away, he’d send them a strongly worded letter for contaminating Arab land.

Would be funny if it were not true…

68 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:26:37pm
69 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #62 Idle Drifter

I’m running out of walls and tables to pound my head on.

Well I’m off today so I’m on my second Blue Moon Beer

70 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:26:46pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton
IIRC, McCain has spoke up and that’s about it. This foreign policy is going to end up getting thousands if not millions killed and God only knows what the world will look like if it comes to pass. You can’t deal with tyrants, terrorists or zealots.

71 Dianna  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:26:51pm

re: #60 midwestgak

Cinnamon

How about Pecan, so long as we’re talking about flaky, nutty pastries?

72 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:27:32pm

re: #55 subsailor68

Sigh, only the Washington Post would publish this kind of claptrap:

President Obama has decided to return a U.S. ambassador to Syria after an absence of more than four years, marking a significant step toward engaging an influential Arab nation long at odds with the United States.

“Long at odds”? Are you kidding? How about something like “a brutal dictatorship justly condemned by the United States”?

* * * *
Brutal dictatorship that KILLS AMERICANS.

Syria is complicit in trafficking Iranian IEDs and shielding IED wielders who murder Americans and coalition troops and civilians.

73 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:28:02pm

the road to peace in the ME runs through downtown damascusssssss.

I see a Pelosi power play.
What is she going to give Obama in return?

74 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:28:22pm

re: #72 alegrias

* * * *
Brutal dictatorship that KILLS AMERICANS.

Syria is complicit in trafficking Iranian IEDs and shielding IED wielders who murder Americans and coalition troops and civilians.

Great point!

75 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:28:26pm

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

Underdog/hot dog diplomacy!

(re: my “MacBeth” reference)

Too bad he didn’t get the girls a Dalmation. Then his agonized screams down the road wouldn’t attract much attention.

/OUT DAMNED SPOT!

76 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:28:51pm

re: #33 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Obama seems to have invested his entire self in supporting a specific class of underdogs (those which are assumed to have been the victim of the Western, and particularly American, capital-E Establishment.)

He will do whatever it takes to push his ideology forward.

/I hereby bet the rent money that he’s never watched MacBeth


Of course not. It was written by some dead white guy.

77 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:22pm

re: #49 Sabba Hillel

I would guess that he plans to send Jack Ryan over there. Then again, he is a Chicago politician. He is probably happy with the restraint Assad showed in only hitting one person.

* * * **
Assad’s daddy wiped off an entire city (Hama). All dead & gone.

No regrets. Just like the mullahs in Iran today.

78 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:36pm

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

“Assad is just Alawite with me.”

—Obama

“Hama” urban renewal at it’s best?

79 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:41pm

re: #34 _RememberTonyC

“decent Democratic politicians”

there is no such thing.

80 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:56pm

re: #28 midwestgak

From your link:

Actually, Obama’s phrase about a fist—whether clenched or not—is too narrow a metaphor. Assad’s government doesn’t just have a fist. It has tentacles. They are barbed and venomous (just ask anyone who has run afoul of the Syrian secret police) and they are richly entwined with just about every deadly racket in the Middle East—from arms smuggling, to state support for an array of terrorist groups, to targeted political assassinations, to illicit pursuit of nuclear weapons.
81 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:56pm

Is the Ambassador being sent as tribute?

82 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:30:01pm

re: #10 MrSilverDragon

There comes a point when rehabilitation just won’t work.

put syria on ridulin

83 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:30:05pm

re: #71 Dianna

How about Pecan, so long as we’re talking about flaky, nutty pastries?

Yum. And true.

Coffee cake is flaky, walnut brownies are nutty. Obama is … open door here.

84 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:30:12pm

re: #69 Nevergiveup

Well I’m off today so I’m on my second Blue Moon Beer

I’ve got a whole bottle of Stranahan’s Colorado Whiskey saved for when I get the phone call saying I’ve got a new job. I’d rather drink on a good note.

85 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:30:15pm

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

“Assad is just Alawite with me.”

—Obama

*GROAN* !

86 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:31:47pm

re: #79 redc1c4

“decent Democratic politicians”

there is no such thing.

Sure there is. I believe one’s been spotted in a loch in Scotland.

;-)

87 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #62 Idle Drifter

Indeed.

88 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:32:10pm

Does Obama take a Ba’ath every night?

89 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:32:24pm

It is clear …We have entered a new dimension in world Diplomacy
and inaction by an Administration that hasn’t the faintest clue how DANGEROUS the world is and has been!
When the shit hits the fan,which it will,G.W Bush will be the
fall guy(as usual) …. we will be truly screwed!
Terrorist will dance in the streets across all of the middleast
at the great Stans dimise………..At our own hand!
Unless!Someone get’s the “O’s” face and calls BULLSHIT!
I’m holding my breath starting…..Right …..NOW!
/

90 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:32:28pm

re: #86 subsailor68

Sure there is. I believe one’s been spotted in a loch in Scotland.

;-)

see: even there they have a loch on their district.

91 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:33:11pm

We pulled the Ambassador to the Republic of China for only 5 months after Tian’anmen.

92 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:33:22pm

This is just a prelude to Obama. He really wants to re-establish diplomatic relations with Iran…and Hamas.

93 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:33:28pm

re: #49 Sabba Hillel

I would guess that he plans to send Jack Ryan over there. Then again, he is a Chicago politician. He is probably happy with the restraint Assad showed in only hitting one person.

We are going to go to the mattresses.

94 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:33:50pm

i’m sure this decision is based upon a nuanced understanding of the situation i am just too stupid to understand, and i will just sit back and let my betters handle it for me…….

/drinking heavily

95 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:33:54pm

Standards? We got all kinds of standards.

96 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:34:14pm

re: #70 pingjockey

IIRC, McCain has spoke up and that’s about it. This foreign policy is going to end up getting thousands if not millions killed and God only knows what the world will look like if it comes to pass. You can’t deal with tyrants, terrorists or zealots.

* * * *
Not true.

McCain, Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, the GOP-pushed statement from Congress condemning Iran signed by everyone except Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, every last Republican that could find a microphone has been talking about this. Including former VP Dick Cheney’s daughter Liz Cheney.

Some of you have full time jobs and aren’t watching as much news or don’t follow as many news outlets as others here, but it IS the Republicans that have been talking about this.

97 saylorfam  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:34:55pm

To all of my liberal Jewish friends who for whatever reason decided to vote for this fool, I hope this is all making you reconsider your choice.
With everything he does, I get more and more amazed and astonished. I feel like I am watching a bad movie and am unable to influence the outcome.

98 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:35:06pm

re: #96 alegrias
Okay. I just haven’t heard as much as I thought I should.

99 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:35:23pm

re: #78 Nevergiveup

You just had to go and mention Hama… which Assad will conveniently explain away by saying he was dealing with a bunch of murderous bastards who challenged his father’s regime and had to be put down. He’d claim that they were just as much a threat to him as al Qaeda is to us. He’d say he did the world a favor.

Never mind that he killed 25-35,000 people, and razed the entire city - in ways more tangible and violent than anything even conceived by the Palestinians at Jenin or Gaza.

The Syrians would rationalize it all away because the Brotherhood just wasn’t the kind of terrorist scum Assad’s thugs were looking to work with. He wanted ones answerable to him… and he’s apparently found it in the form of Hamas and Hizbullah, via Iran.

100 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:35:33pm

Obama is using Jimmy Carter to establish diplomatic relations with Hamas:

What Was Jimmy Carter’s Proposal to Hamas?

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com…]

101 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:35:35pm

re: #75 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(re: my “MacBeth” reference)

Too bad he didn’t get the girls a Dalmation. Then his agonized screams down the road wouldn’t attract much attention.

/OUT DAMNED SPOT!

where’s McDuff?

102 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:35:56pm

re: #95 debutaunt

Standards? We got all kinds of standards.

we don’t need no stinking standards

103 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:36:09pm

re: #82 Eowyn2

put syria on ridulin

Make them more attentive to the stuff they’re being force-fed every day? Bad idea, IMHO.

104 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:36:33pm

re: #99 lawhawk

Think Obama ever heard about Hama Syria? My bet is no.

105 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:36:50pm

re: #97 saylorfam

To all of my liberal Jewish friends who for whatever reason decided to vote for this fool, I hope this is all making you reconsider your choice.
With everything he does, I get more and more amazed and astonished. I feel like I am watching a bad movie and am unable to influence the outcome.

What you just said reminds me of how I felt during the pre-election campaign.

106 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:37:07pm

re: #95 debutaunt

Standards? We got all kinds of standards.

actuall, this administration has just one: the “Fool’s Gold” standard

107 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:37:49pm

re: #88 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Does Obama take a Ba’ath every night?

Probably more of a morning Ba’ath guy.

108 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:38:02pm

re: #104 Nevergiveup

Hama was in a sci-fi book I read. The commander was talking about ‘Hama Rules’…ie, no rules.

109 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:38:19pm

re: #97 saylorfam

To all of my liberal Jewish friends who for whatever reason decided to vote for this fool, I hope this is all making you reconsider your choice.
With everything he does, I get more and more amazed and astonished. I feel like I am watching a bad movie and am unable to influence the outcome.

never saw any of that in the nightly news or in the papaer……

110 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:39:04pm

re: #105 midwestgak

re: #97 saylorfam


What you just said reminds me of how I felt during the pre-election campaign.

makes my stomach hurt!

111 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:14pm

re: #97 saylorfam

To all of my liberal Jewish friends who for whatever reason decided to vote for this fool, I hope this is all making you reconsider your choice.
With everything he does, I get more and more amazed and astonished. I feel like I am watching a bad movie and am unable to influence the outcome.

Yep- and if you look at JPost…there are STILL apologists…idiots!

112 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:22pm

US rescinds July 4 invites to Iranian diplomats
Published: 06.24.09, 22:24 / Israel News
The Obama administration has rescinded invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend US independence day celebrations on July 4, the White House said on Wednesday.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Iranian diplomats had in any case not replied to invitations already sent out. (Reuters

Took them a whole day to figure that one out? I wonder who the rocket scientist in the administration is that finally made that command decision?

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:43pm

re: #101 Eowyn2

where’s McDuff?

Waiting at Dunsinane

114 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #104 Nevergiveup

Think Obama ever heard about Hama Syria? My bet is no.

Obama does not care about Arabs killing Arabs. It’s not his concern. His concern is Jews protecting themselves from Arab terrorists…that is something which he finds objectionable.

115 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:50pm

President Patsy.

116 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:52pm

re: #52 capitalist piglet

I thought McCain was critical of him over the weekend.

McCain said Obama had done well in the first five months.

McCain.

117 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:57pm

re: #108 pingjockey

Book?

118 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:41:08pm

re: #112 Nevergiveup

US rescinds July 4 invites to Iranian diplomats
Published: 06.24.09, 22:24 / Israel News
The Obama administration has rescinded invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend US independence day celebrations on July 4, the White House said on Wednesday.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Iranian diplomats had in any case not replied to invitations already sent out. (Reuters

Took them a whole day to figure that one out? I wonder who the rocket scientist in the administration is that finally made that command decision?

Waiting for “we RSVPed in blood…”

119 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:41:18pm

re: #108 pingjockey

Hama was in a sci-fi book I read. The commander was talking about ‘Hama Rules’…ie, no rules.

Hama rules aren’t about no rules. It’s about giving no quarter to your enemy. If they wage war against you, you blot them out - all of them.

The Brotherhood held Hama as their center of operations. The Syrians rolled an entire tank division up against the city, and leveled it before sending the tanks to churn the rubble. Chemical weapons were also likely used.

120 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:41:34pm

re: #112 Nevergiveup

US rescinds July 4 invites to Iranian diplomats
Published: 06.24.09, 22:24 / Israel News
The Obama administration has rescinded invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend US independence day celebrations on July 4, the White House said on Wednesday.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Iranian diplomats had in any case not replied to invitations already sent out. (Reuters

Took them a whole day to figure that one out? I wonder who the rocket scientist in the administration is that finally made that command decision?

Took ‘em long enough to figure that one out.

*spit*

121 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:41:43pm

re: #116 avanti

McLame is an idiot and a tool.

122 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:41:56pm

I wonder if this is how Churchill and the British army felt when they saw what the appeaser were doing with regards to Hitler. They knew what was coming and couldn’t convince any one as to his true aims.

123 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:42:25pm

re: #119 lawhawk

Hama rules aren’t about no rules. It’s about giving no quarter to your enemy. If they wage war against you, you blot them out - all of them.

The Brotherhood held Hama as their center of operations. The Syrians rolled an entire tank division up against the city, and leveled it before sending the tanks to churn the rubble. Chemical weapons were also likely used.

American liberals will never understand that mentality. Until then, Israels very existence is threatened.

124 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:42:25pm

re: #120 jcm

Took ‘em long enough to figure that one out.

*spit*

the spin will be that they never really invited them to begin with.

125 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:42:35pm

re: #122 pingjockey

I wonder if this is how Churchill and the British army felt when they saw what the appeaser were doing with regards to Hitler. They knew what was coming and couldn’t convince any one as to his true aims.

The Cassandra Situation…you know the truth, but no one believes you

126 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:42:49pm

re: #107 unrealizedviewpoint

Probably more of a morning Ba’ath guy.

I’d like it if he had cause for mourning Ba’ath.

/Damaskisser!

127 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:15pm

re: #118 DisturbedEma

Waiting for “we RSVPed in blood…”

The invitations were two weeks old, lots of water under that bridge since then.

128 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:18pm

re: #112 Nevergiveup

US rescinds July 4 invites to Iranian diplomats
Published: 06.24.09, 22:24 / Israel News
The Obama administration has rescinded invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend US independence day celebrations on July 4, the White House said on Wednesday.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Iranian diplomats had in any case not replied to invitations already sent out. (Reuters

Took them a whole day to figure that one out? I wonder who the rocket scientist in the administration is that finally made that command decision?

He was being hammered by that on Fox. It cost him nothing to rescind the invitations.
Besides, they would have had to serve the Persians Hebrew National Hot Dogs to the Iranians and they would have objected to the Zionist Dogs.

129 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:19pm

re: #117 Creeping Eruption
Oh snap! Probably a David Drake/David Weber one. I just remember the line.

130 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:49pm

re: #127 avanti

re: #118 DisturbedEma


The invitations were two weeks old, lots of water under that bridge since then.

Ummmm

131 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:51pm

re: #122 pingjockey

I wonder if this is how Churchill and the British army felt when they saw what the appeaser were doing with regards to Hitler. They knew what was coming and couldn’t convince any one as to his true aims.

You mean Churchill whose bust Obama sent back? That Churchill? /

132 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:53pm

The Syrians are Iranian tools. The President is “signaling” the Iranian butchers of his benign intentions. What’s next, diplomatic recognition for every group on our terrorism list?

133 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:57pm

re: #121 redc1c4
Is not!

134 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:44:21pm

Obama has figured out how to win the respect of the Muslim world, aplogise & Kow Tow. Tried & true.

135 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:44:25pm

re: #112 Nevergiveup

US rescinds July 4 invites to Iranian diplomats
Published: 06.24.09, 22:24 / Israel News
The Obama administration has rescinded invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend US independence day celebrations on July 4, the White House said on Wednesday.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Iranian diplomats had in any case not replied to invitations already sent out. (Reuters

Took them a whole day to figure that one out? I wonder who the rocket scientist in the administration is that finally made that command decision?

This is terrific!

“Dear Bobby,

Since you haven’t responded to the invitation to my birthday party, you’re no longer invited. And…you’re a booger head too!”

What a bunch of maroons.

136 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:44:35pm

re: #131 HelloDare
Yep. Not the faux Indian, Ward.

137 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:45:24pm

re: #132 quickjustice

What’s next, diplomatic recognition for every group on our terrorism list?

Of course not. They just remove them from the list

138 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:45:27pm

re: #135 subsailor68

re: #112 Nevergiveup


This is terrific!

“Dear Bobby,

Since you haven’t responded to the invitation to my birthday party, you’re no longer invited. And…you’re a booger head too!”

What a bunch of maroons.

STILL worried enough to not remove the schwank from their mouths…

139 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:45:39pm

re: #135 subsailor68
The goddamn invites shouldn’t have been sent in the first place. Idiots.

140 JustABill  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:45:40pm

re: #127 avanti

The invitations were two weeks old, lots of water blood under that bridge since then.

FTFY

141 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:45:57pm

re: #123 Creeping Eruption

American liberals will never understand that mentality. Until then, Israels very existence is threatened.

Israelis don’t have that mentality either. They have a reflexive motivation to pursue peace at all costs, even when it’s antithetical to their long term survival of the state of Israel. They’ll broker deals to exchange hundreds of living terrorists for dead Israelis - and the Arabs see this as a sign of weakness and repeatedly mistake restraint for weakness.

When backed into a corner, Israel does respond, and can respond quite effectively militarily, but it’s the will to do so that is all too lacking all too often.

142 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:46:17pm

re: #139 pingjockey

re: #135 subsailor68
The goddamn invites shouldn’t have been sent in the first place. Idiots.

Should have invited the Israelis…

143 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:46:27pm

re: #112 Nevergiveup

US rescinds July 4 invites to Iranian diplomats
Published: 06.24.09, 22:24 / Israel News
The Obama administration has rescinded invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend US independence day celebrations on July 4, the White House said on Wednesday.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Iranian diplomats had in any case not replied to invitations already sent out. (Reuters

Took them a whole day to figure that one out? I wonder who the rocket scientist in the administration is that finally made that command decision?

You’re not coming to my party? Well, you’re un-invited!

144 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:46:35pm

re: #127 avanti

The invitations were two weeks old, lots of water under that bridge since then.

seriously considering
intense discussions

It’s a fucking no brainer, on consideration, no discussion required.

145 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:46:37pm

re: #141 lawhawk

re: #123 Creeping Eruption


Israelis don’t have that mentality either. They have a reflexive motivation to pursue peace at all costs, even when it’s antithetical to their long term survival of the state of Israel. They’ll broker deals to exchange hundreds of living terrorists for dead Israelis - and the Arabs see this as a sign of weakness and repeatedly mistake restraint for weakness.

When backed into a corner, Israel does respond, and can respond quite effectively militarily, but it’s the will to do so that is all too lacking all too often.


Fucking Derfner…

146 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:47:11pm

re: #142 DisturbedEma
Well, that would make sense to us. We’re not pointy headed intellectual assholes.

147 Daria Emmons  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:47:19pm

Between this, the July 4th “picnic” invite to the Iranian regime, claiming the Iranian government has legitimate “sovereignty,” and Obama’s revolting apology for the failure of the USA to attend the Durban II pro-racism conference, I believe the verdict is in: we have an anti-human rights president.

I think we all have to start making the case in the media and elsewhere, with family, friends, and coworkers, that Obama is against human rights. He claims to believe in morality and decency only when it suits him. When the going gets tough, he is without a doubt taken a stand against human rights.

What I find extremely dangerous is that we have an anti-human rights president in office who is also increasing the size and power of the federal government. This is very dangerous, and cannot lead us down a good road.

148 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:48:01pm

re: #141 lawhawk

Israelis don’t have that mentality either. T

Its simply not the “Jewish way.” Thankfully they have learned to play at the dirty end of the field however. Americans? Not so much.

149 HelloDare  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:48:05pm

This is messing up Kim Jong-il’s plans. He has to keep scaling up his provocations. “What the hell, fire three missiles at once.”

150 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:48:15pm

re: #127 avanti

The invitations were two weeks old, lots of water under that bridge since then.


Shouldn’t have been invited in the first place

151 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:48:46pm

re: #116 avanti

Good afternoon Avanti.

152 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:49:43pm

re: #145 DisturbedEma

Fucking Derfner…

Surprised Jpost gives him space.

153 lincolntf  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:50:14pm

USA is playing (the number one seed) Spain in the semifinals of some Cup. We’re actually up 1- 0 at the 62 minute mark.
Not a big soccer fan, but it’s always fun to root for Team USA.

154 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:50:21pm

re: #152 Creeping Eruption

re: #145 DisturbedEma


Surprised Jpost gives him space.

His take on Danny Pearl was a shanda for the olam!

155 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:50:46pm

re: #139 pingjockey

The goddamn invites shouldn’t have been sent in the first place. Idiots.

Ain’t that the truth. And a lame-ass Gibbs statement that they hadn’t responded anyway is about as stupid as someone with an IQ above room temperature can get.

How about something like this?

“The tragic events in Iran that are the direct result of actions taken by a brutal, thuggish, regime has in our our decision to revoke the invitations sent out two weeks ago. It would be absolutely irresponsible for this administration to let those invitation stand.”

156 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:51:08pm

Damn. Shep Smith is a good guy.

157 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:51:26pm

re: #155 subsailor68
Works for me!

158 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:52:10pm

re: #153 lincolntf

USA is playing (the number one seed) Spain in the semifinals of some Cup. We’re actually up 1- 0 at the 62 minute mark.
Not a big soccer fan, but it’s always fun to root for Team USA.

Thanks for the hat tip- just turned it on

159 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:52:29pm

re: #127 avanti

The invitations were two weeks old, lots of water under that bridge since then.

face it: this was a st00pid idea from Jump Street.

160 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:52:30pm

Oops..

“The tragic events in Iran that are the direct result of actions taken by a brutal, thuggish, regime has resulted in our our decision to revoke the invitations sent out two weeks ago.

161 Daria Emmons  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:52:33pm

re: #141 lawhawk

Israelis don’t have that mentality either. They have a reflexive motivation to pursue peace at all costs, even when it’s antithetical to their long term survival of the state of Israel. They’ll broker deals to exchange hundreds of living terrorists for dead Israelis - and the Arabs see this as a sign of weakness and repeatedly mistake restraint for weakness.

When backed into a corner, Israel does respond, and can respond quite effectively militarily, but it’s the will to do so that is all too lacking all too often.

Only 6% of Israeli Jews believe Obama favors Israel, and nearly 50% believe he favors “Palestine.” I believe Israelis are waking up.

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

162 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:52:37pm

re: #155 subsailor68


“The tragic events in Iran that are the direct result of actions taken by a brutal, thuggish, regime has in our our decision to revoke the invitations sent out two weeks ago. It would be absolutely irresponsible for this administration to let those invitation stand.”

/ You think THAT is better than, “they never responded to the invitation? What world do you live on?

163 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:52:56pm

re: #156 haakondahl

Damn. Shep Smith is a good guy.

Everybody turned on him last week when he acknowledged the validity of the DHS memo.

164 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:53:01pm

re: #153 lincolntf

USA is playing (the number one seed) Spain in the semifinals of some Cup. We’re actually up 1- 0 at the 62 minute mark.
Not a big soccer fan, but it’s always fun to root for Team USA.

soccer? YAWN……

165 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:53:08pm

re: #153 lincolntf

USA is playing (the number one seed) Spain in the semifinals of some Cup. We’re actually up 1- 0 at the 62 minute mark.
Not a big soccer fan, but it’s always fun to root for Team USA.

I’m sure Obama will apologize if we win it all…

166 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:53:09pm
By returning a senior U.S. envoy to Damascus, the Syrian capital, the Obama administration is seeking to carve out a far larger role for the United States in the region as the president works to rehabilitate U.S. relations with the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East.

Why does there seem to be no expectation that the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East will work to rehabilitate THEIR relations with the US?

167 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:53:49pm

FOX covering Twitter beat now.

168 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:54:08pm

re: #160 subsailor68

Oops..

“The tragic events in Iran that are the direct result of actions taken by a brutal, thuggish, regime has resulted in our our decision to revoke the invitations sent out two weeks ago.

Do you have a link to that statement?

169 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:54:42pm

re: #164 redc1c4

soccer? YAWN……

Wanna’ impress me, turn Hockey season back about 6 weeks.

170 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:54:53pm
171 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:54:58pm

re: #166 reine.de.tout

Why does there seem to be no expectation that the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East will work to rehabilitate THEIR relations with the US?

Because Obama sees the Islamic and Arab world as victims of Western, Israeli, and American imperialism and colonialism.

172 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:00pm

re: #167 haakondahl

FOX covering Twitter beat now.

I’ve already been covering the twitter beat, along with several others here.
For at least a week.

173 Daria Emmons  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:04pm

re: #166 reine.de.tout

Why does there seem to be no expectation that the Islamic world and the Arab Middle East will work to rehabilitate THEIR relations with the US?

Good question. Moreover, we pulled the diplomats in response to a political assassination Syria was responsible for. Why are we not asking for action from Syria to take responsibility for this murder?

174 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:19pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Do you have a link to that statement?

Hi Walter! Sigh, would that there were, instead of something I just made up.

175 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:28pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

It’s what we wish the WH would’ve said!

176 Land Shark  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:30pm

So far, every move on foreign policy I’ve seen the Obama Administration make on foreign policy is based on wishful thinking and fairy tales. Anyone expecting Obama to wise up to the realities out there, well, is engaging in wishful thinking and believing fairy tales. I don’t think his world view is gonna change or grown up one bit, his ideology trumps all.

177 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:37pm

re: #173 Daria Emmons

Good question. Moreover, we pulled the diplomats in response to a political assassination Syria was responsible for. Why are we not asking for action from Syria to take responsibility for this murder?

Exactly.

178 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:40pm

So let’s see….the 0bama administration wants to be re-establishing ties with a regime that continuously interferes in Lebanon’s political affairs to the point of assassinating opposition politicians and establish ties with religous clerics responsible for security forces assaulting and killing theoir own countrymen/women for protesting the outcome of an election that was dodgy from the word go….

without any snark or hyperbole, am I getting this right?

/shudders to think what he’ll do for an encore in Latin America

179 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:40pm

re: #133 pingjockey

Is not!

will you settle for “doddering old fool”? or maybe “easily bought hack politician”?

180 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:51pm

re: #174 subsailor68

Hi Walter! Sigh, would that there were, instead of something I just made up.

Sorry, I just jumped back in here and I thought that was something you were quoting.

181 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:56:04pm

“It’s all cool, Muslim World. Kill anyone you want. Get nukes. I got your back. Hey you, Israel! Did I just see you try to build a house in a disputed border region? From Hell’s Heart, I condemn thee with a strongly worded letter!” - The Diplomacy of President Barack Obama.

/

182 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:56:21pm

I suggest Nancy Pelosi, as she already has the headscarves.

183 eon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:56:29pm

re: #34 _RememberTonyC

when will the decent Democratic politicians step up and call bullshit on Obama? the first one that does will be a hero.


Good afternoon, Lizards.

More likely, he’ll be the next Joe Lieberman. Namely, drummed out of the party after having been found guilty of an “insufficient degree of enlightenment”.

/Especially if the subject is the MidEast.

cheers

eon

185 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:56:42pm

OT: This topic and the one I am linking are both very serious, but I could not help but chuckle. I also do not live in CA: California to pay creditors with IOU’s

186 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:56:58pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

Sorry, I just jumped back in here and I thought that was something you were quoting.

No prob! Just wish I HAD been quoting.

;-)

187 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:57:25pm

re: #184 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Peek a couple of threads over.

188 MJ  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:57:31pm
189 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:57:40pm

re: #179 redc1c4
What do you want? RWR is gone. Newt is toxic, unfortunately. I don’t agree with some of his positions, but you don’t think he’d be better than obambi right now?

190 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:57:43pm

re: #176 Land Shark

So far, every move on foreign policy I’ve seen the Obama Administration make on foreign policy is based on wishful thinking and fairy tales. Anyone expecting Obama to wise up to the realities out there, well, is engaging in wishful thinking and believing fairy tales. I don’t think his world view is gonna change or grown up one bit, his ideology trumps all.

I’ll go one better, sharky. Every move the 0bama administration has made is based on the premise that American economic and military supremacy are bad things to be avoided and apologized for at all costs….

191 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:57:47pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Do you have a link to that statement?

That’s a suggestion, unfortunately, not a report. He was suggesting that the administration should have said that.

192 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:57:59pm

re: #185 Creeping Eruption

OT: This topic and the one I am linking are both very serious, but I could not help but chuckle. I also do not live in CA: California to pay creditors with IOU’s

this happens fairly often…… like every eyar at budget time.

/idiots

193 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:57:59pm

We’ve been wondering about the chants of Allahu Ackbar from the Iranian protesters. Spencer sez…….

All the Allahu akbaring suggests that the protesters are not in the aggregate working to throw off the most oppressive shackles of all, those of Sharia.


He might be right but I doubt it. I’d love to see the Islam “expert” get this one wrong.

194 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:07pm

re: #103 MrSilverDragon

Make them more attentive to the stuff they’re being force-fed every day? Bad idea, IMHO.


or even more suicidal!

you’re right
this time!

195 Daria Emmons  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:08pm

re: #176 Land Shark

So far, every move on foreign policy I’ve seen the Obama Administration make on foreign policy is based on wishful thinking and fairy tales. Anyone expecting Obama to wise up to the realities out there, well, is engaging in wishful thinking and believing fairy tales. I don’t think his world view is gonna change or grown up one bit, his ideology trumps all.

I wish Obama’s foreign policy was merely based upon fairy tales.

I honestly believe (with good reason, IMO) that Obama’s administration has come out as explicitly against human rights around the world.

When there is injustice anywhere, there is injustice everywhere.

If Obama is against human rights around the world, how long will it be until he will be against the human rights of American citizens? And given he has massively increased the size of the US government (and is slowly bankrupting its people insodoing), will we be equipped to deal with what will come?

196 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:11pm

Let’s see.

For how many years did the righteous nations of the world withdraw their ambassadors from the US after the CIA helped assassinate Salvador Allende and installed their picked man Pinochet in Chile and watched as countless opposition members were herded into stadiums and disappeared?

But that was different. We had good reasons.

197 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:13pm

re: #184 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I repeat my earlier question: why did he feel it necessary to fly to Argentina to end the affair? He reports that his wife already knew about it.

198 jcbunga  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:13pm

re: #14 Nevergiveup

His an Eye Doctor. Don’t pin that on us Dentists.

Oops…that reminds me of the Match Game episode where the secret word was “Pediatrician”…the clue given was “foot doctor” and they contestant answered “Pediatrician”.

:)

199 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:19pm

re: #151 formercorpsman

Good afternoon Avanti.

Back at ya. BTW, I had no problem with the initial invite. We had no way of knowing who would win, nor any idea of how badly the election was fucked up. Had Dinnerjacket have lost, it could have been a ping pong diplomacy type of moment. As it turned out, withdrawing the invite was the right thing to do based on our outrage of the government brutality.

200 badger1970  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:36pm

re: #173 Daria Emmons

I believe you are assuming bo is versed in history.

201 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:44pm

re: #188 MJ

Resignation in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5….

It doesn’t look like he is intending to resign. He resigned from the Republican Governors Assc., but said nothing about his state office.

202 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:52pm

re: #187 Creeping Eruption

Peek a couple of threads over.

Didn’t know that. Thanks.

/light only infrequently shines into my cave

203 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:58:56pm

Neda Soltan’s family ‘forced out of home’ by Iranian authorities

First few paragraphs:

The Iranian authorities have ordered the family of Neda Agha Soltan out of their Tehran home after shocking images of her death were circulated around the world.

Neighbours said that her family no longer lives in the four-floor apartment building on Meshkini Street, in eastern Tehran, having been forced to move since she was killed. The police did not hand the body back to her family, her funeral was cancelled, she was buried without letting her family know and the government banned mourning ceremonies at mosques, the neighbours said.

“We just know that they [the family] were forced to leave their flat,” a neighbour said. The Guardian was unable to contact the family directly to confirm if they had been forced to leave.

The government is also accusing protesters of killing Soltan, describing her as a martyr of the Basij militia. Javan, a pro-government newspaper, has gone so far as to blame the recently expelled BBC correspondent, Jon Leyne, of hiring “thugs” to shoot her so he could make a documentary film.

Soltan was shot dead on Saturday evening near the scene of clashes between pro-government militias and demonstrators, turning her into a symbol of the Iranian protest movement. Barack Obama spoke of the “searing image” of Soltan’s dying moments at his press conference yesterday.

Amid scenes of grief in the Soltan household with her father and mother screaming, neighbours not only from their building but from others in the area streamed out to protest at her death. But the police moved in quickly to quell any public displays of grief. They arrived as soon as they found out that a friend of Soltan had come to the family flat.

204 Racer X  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:59:16pm

Obama sucks on unicorn farts.

Damn, I wish Mcain had pulled it off. We would all be fat from eating unicorn hamburgers.

205 KenJen  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:59:18pm

re: #185 Creeping Eruption

OT: This topic and the one I am linking are both very serious, but I could not help but chuckle. I also do not live in CA: California to pay creditors with IOU’s

Californians should pay their taxes with IOU’s. Tit for tat.

206 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:59:24pm

re: #181 NukeAtomrod

“It’s all cool, Muslim World. Kill anyone you want. Get nukes. I got your back. Hey you, Israel! Did I just see you try to build a house in a disputed border region? From Hell’s Heart, I condemn thee with a strongly worded letter!” - The Diplomacy of President Barack Obama.

/

What’s the sarcasm symbol for?

207 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:59:28pm

Anyone going to the WH now will get a video showing someone working in the construction business and Obama claiming credit for green jobs - rejuvenating the economy. It’s all so much hot air…

Anyhow, WaPo has the statement from Gibbs:

So much for “hot-dog diplomacy.” The White House announced today that it had withdrawn invitations to Iranian diplomats to attend Fourth of July festivities at U.S. embassies around the world.

The United States and Iran have not had diplomatic relations for nearly three decades, but Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton authorized the invitations as a way of reaching out to the Islamic Republic. But U.S. officials said no Iranian diplomats thus far had responded to the invitations.

“July Fourth allows us to celebrate the freedom and the liberty we enjoy,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said. “Freedom of speech. Freedom of religion. Freedom to assemble peacefully. Freedom of the press. So I don’t think it’s surprising that nobody’s signed up to come.”

Gibbs added: “Given the events of the past many days, those invitations will no longer be extended.”

208 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:59:54pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

We’ve been wondering about the chants of Allahu Ackbar from the Iranian protesters. Spencer sez…….


He might be right but I doubt it. I’d love to see the Islam “expert” get this one wrong.

hehheheheheheheeheeheeheehee!

209 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:00:04pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

210 Land Shark  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #189 pingjockey

I think one of the hairballs my cats barf up every now and then would be better than 0bambi. At least they have the good sense to just lay there and not say anything…

211 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:00:43pm

re: #189 pingjockey

What do you want? RWR is gone. Newt is toxic, unfortunately. I don’t agree with some of his positions, but you don’t think he’d be better than obambi right now?

marginally…. i can’t stand Newt either, but McLame showed his true colors in the campaign, when he basically threw the election. Jindal & Rubio are ID twits, Huckabee is only marginally sane, Rudy and Romeny are both New England patriarchs will all that imples, so who’s left?

212 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:00:59pm

Here’s the link to Neda story.

apologies for earlier formatting mishap

213 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:01:35pm

re: #196 Cato the Elder

It was different. At a time of global cold war with the Soviet Union, the U.S. regularly undermined and removed communist regimes allied with the Soviets. Allende was such a threat, as was Mossadegh in Iran. And in the case of Chile, the Monroe Doctrine also applied.

214 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:01:36pm

Holy bat shit batman. USA 2 Spain 0

215 lincolntf  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:01:40pm

USA up 2-0!

216 Racer X  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:01:42pm

re: #196 Cato the Elder

You forgot troofers. Always mention troofers too.

217 Kragar  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:01:59pm

re: #185 Creeping Eruption

OT: This topic and the one I am linking are both very serious, but I could not help but chuckle. I also do not live in CA: California to pay creditors with IOU’s

Lloyd: That’s as good as money sir, those are IOUs. Go ahead and add it up every cents accounted for. Look, see this that’s a car, 275 thou might want to hang on to that one.

218 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:02:12pm

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!

/some guy named Cantor

219 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:02:32pm

re: #195 Daria Emmons

I wish Obama’s foreign policy was merely based upon fairy tales.

I honestly believe (with good reason, IMO) that Obama’s administration has come out as explicitly against human rights around the world.

When there is injustice anywhere, there is injustice everywhere.

If Obama is against human rights around the world, how long will it be until he will be against the human rights of American citizens? And given he has massively increased the size of the US government (and is slowly bankrupting its people insodoing), will we be equipped to deal with what will come?

well, they said they were going to base the foreign policy on Winne the Pooh….. there’s one campain promise you can mark off as “fulfilled”.

220 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:02:39pm

re: #211 redc1c4

marginally…. i can’t stand Newt either, but McLame showed his true colors in the campaign, when he basically threw the election. Jindal & Rubio are ID twits, Huckabee is only marginally sane, Rudy and Romeny are both New England patriarchs will all that imples, so who’s left?

John Bolton? Maybe he’s a long shot, but sure would be fun to watch in a debate with Obama.

221 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:02:41pm

re: #218 Fenway_Nation

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!

/some guy named Cantor

Eddie?

222 Mad Mullah  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:02:51pm

Is anybody the least bit surprised that Obama, the person who has had associations with racist USA hating preachers, at least one terrorist, groups that engage in criminal activity and voter fraud, and that a man who espouses deranged leftist ideas would not choose to send an Ambassador to Syria?

He’s probably already picked out a new Ambassador to Pakistan just in case the Taliban or Al-Qaeda manage to take over.

223 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:02:53pm

re: #199 avanti

Yeah, absolutely.

224 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:03:02pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lloyd: That’s as good as money sir, those are IOUs. Go ahead and add it up every cents accounted for. Look, see this that’s a car, 275 thou might want to hang on to that one.

That cuts too close to the quick for our current situation to be a joke.

225 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:03:11pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

Thanks for posting that one.

226 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:03:11pm
Obama sent letter to Iran leader before election
“Khamenei made an indirect reference to the letter in his sermon Friday at Tehran University.

“The U.S. president said that we were waiting for a day like this to see people on the street,” the Iranian leader said. “Some people attributed these remarks to Obama and then they write letters to say we’re ready to have ties; that we respect the Islamic republic and on the other hand they make such comments. Which one should we believe?”


Obviously Khameini took Obama’s letter as carte blanche to commit massive election fraud with impunity and without jeopardizing the consummation of Obama’s dhimmification.
I would love to see the letter.

227 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:03:31pm

re: #220 subsailor68

John Bolton? Maybe he’s a long shot, but sure would be fun to watch in a debate with Obama.

He’d be fun to watch in a debate with anyone breathing.

228 Daria Emmons  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:03:36pm

re: #196 Cato the Elder

Let’s see.

For how many years did the righteous nations of the world withdraw their ambassadors from the US after the CIA helped assassinate Salvador Allende and installed their picked man Pinochet in Chile and watched as countless opposition members were herded into stadiums and disappeared?

But that was different. We had good reasons.

Wow, moral equivalence much?

What happened to Allende was terrible, but that cannot be compared to what happened in Lebanon. Syria enacted more than 20 years of brute military occupation against the Lebanese, including torturing and murdering Lebanese Jews for the ‘crime’ of being Jewish, and openly supporting a genocidal terror group, Hizballah. There is absolutely no comparison to what Syria has done to Lebanon to what the USA has done in Latin America. It is disgusting to even compare.

229 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:03:39pm

re: #184 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Idiot Governor Sanford!

After going AWOL for seven days, Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Wednesday that he’d secretly flown to Argentina to visit a woman with whom he’d been having an affair.

* * **
Previous thread deals with this idiot’s blubberfest. Be gone!

230 midwestgak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:03:43pm

re: #185 Creeping Eruption

OT: This topic and the one I am linking are both very serious, but I could not help but chuckle. I also do not live in CA: California to pay creditors with IOU’s

What used to be the phase? “Upward and onward?” Now it’s “downward and downward.” Cannot be sustained. CA is sinking into the financial ocean. Obvious statement, I know.

231 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:04:05pm

Rudy on Cavuto now.

232 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:04:44pm

re: #213 quickjustice

It was different. At a time of global cold war with the Soviet Union, the U.S. regularly undermined and removed communist regimes allied with the Soviets. Allende was such a threat, as was Mossadegh in Iran. And in the case of Chile, the Monroe Doctrine also applied.

Goodbye, Lizards. I’m going on vacation.

Have fun wallowing in the hypocritical contradictions of American history. I’m sure the discussion will be more or less the same when I get back.

233 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:04:48pm

re: #231 pingjockey

Rudy on Cavuto now.

/ I didn’t think they swung that way, but to each their own.

234 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:04:58pm

re: #91 bloodstar

“People’s Republic of China”. There were only 3,000 casualties at Tiananmen, but the broader impact was deep and profound. The communist leadership feels so threatened by that story that it remains a crime in China even to speak of it.

235 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:05:20pm

re: #176 Land Shark

So far, every move on foreign policy I’ve seen the Obama Administration make on foreign policy is based on wishful thinking and fairy tales. Anyone expecting Obama to wise up to the realities out there, well, is engaging in wishful thinking and believing fairy tales. I don’t think his world view is gonna change or grown up one bit, his ideology trumps all.

OK, candid moment to state the obvious. Obama is a bit naive with his abundance of hope. He’ll try the nice guy approach until he learns it’s not a all milk and honey world, as much as he wished it were.

236 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:05:39pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

re: #156 haakondahl

Damn. Shep Smith is a good guy.

Everybody turned on him last week when he acknowledged the validity of the DHS memo.


Nothing wrong with the DHS memo. Also not connected to what I said. There are people disagree with here, and I’m hardly polite about it from time to time. But “Everybody”, KT?
You used to argue with people one on one. Now you’re arguing with the whole site as a matter of habit. You’re not so smart that you should feel justified in a haughty lecturing tone, treating the whole group as a collection of idiots, except when singling out somebody to agree with.

237 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:05:57pm

re: #215 lincolntf

USA up 2-0!

* * * *
Upset of the century!

238 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:06:00pm

re: #58 DisturbedEma

Suppose so, but they sure did not mind attacking Steele…

the difference being that any Black man who’s a Republican must be an Uncle Tom. it’s a disgrace.

239 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:06:10pm

re: #233 Creeping Eruption
Heh.

240 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:06:14pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Goodbye, Lizards. I’m going on vacation.

Have fun wallowing in the hypocritical contradictions of American history. I’m sure the discussion will be more or less the same when I get back.

Of course, you are so above wallowing. For some reason, I get the impression that that remark is sort of a slam on ALL of us.

Or am I being too sensitive?

241 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:06:30pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Adios, curmudgeon!

242 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:07:35pm

re: #235 avanti

OK, candid moment to state the obvious. Obama is a bit naive with his abundance of hope. He’ll try the nice guy approach until he learns it’s not a all milk and honey world, as much as he wished it were.

And we can only hope that not too many people get killed before he wises up.

243 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:07:37pm

re: #199 avanti

Back at ya. BTW, I had no problem with the initial invite. We had no way of knowing who would win, nor any idea of how badly the election was fucked up. Had Dinnerjacket have lost, it could have been a ping pong diplomacy type of moment. As it turned out, withdrawing the invite was the right thing to do based on our outrage of the government brutality.

Avant stop! please stop, the Iranians never responded & the Obama administration got shamed into recinding the invitations. This is not an act of principal.
And why invite a nations diplomats that we have no diplomatic relationship with.
They still celebrate Death to America Day!

244 Daria Emmons  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:07:43pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Bye bye!

245 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:08:06pm

re: #240 Walter L. Newton

Of course, you are so above wallowing. For some reason, I get the impression that that remark is sort of a slam on ALL of us.

Or am I being too sensitive?

* * **
Cato is so weary, so tired. There’s nothing new under the sun. But thousands of dead young Iranians begging Obama for help n change.

246 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:08:31pm

re: #235 avanti

To consider 0bama’s foreign policy a byproduct of just being naivve is giving him waaaaay too much credit.

Who has the White House gone after with more ferocity

A) The mullah’s kleptocracy in Iran
B) Hugo Chavez
C) Kim Jong-Il
D) Rush Limbaugh

/or
E) Ron Paul

247 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:08:43pm

re: #229 alegrias

* * **
Previous thread deals with this idiot’s blubberfest. Be gone!

Yeah. I was out for a good while.

/my “life” is interfering with quality time on LGF !

248 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:09:12pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder
Why, as smart as you seem to be, have to be an ass?

249 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:09:21pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

re: #213 quickjustice


Goodbye, Lizards. I’m going on vacation.

Have fun wallowing in the hypocritical contradictions of American history. I’m sure the discussion will be more or less the same when I get back.


Have fun re-tracing Che’s motorcycle diaries!

250 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:09:23pm

re: #172 reine.de.tout

I’ve already been covering the twitter beat, along with several others here.
For at least a week.

Oh, I know, believe me! It has been the single best source I have access to, and I have been keeping my “people” informed hours ahead, sometimes days ahead (especially in the first several days) of the MSM. You, Winston80, and Persiankiwi are indispensable, and I thank you for your hard work.
I was just giving an alert that the Twitter beat was getting some props via sourcing.

251 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:09:37pm

re: #226 Spare O’Lake

Obviously Khameini took Obama’s letter as carte blanche to commit massive election fraud with impunity and without jeopardizing the consummation of Obama’s dhimmification.
I would love to see the letter.

Yeah, it is going to be released with that LA Times tape of Obama with all them Arab Terrorists.

252 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:09:47pm

re: #235 avanti

OK, candid moment to state the obvious. Obama is a bit naive with his abundance of hope. He’ll try the nice guy approach until he learns it’s not a all milk and honey world, as much as he wished it were.

Now who’s being naive?

253 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:10:07pm

re: #235 avanti

OK, candid moment to state the obvious. Obama is a bit naive with his abundance of hope. He’ll try the nice guy approach until he learns it’s not a all milk and honey world, as much as he wished it were.

And we HOPE that he learns that before any great damage is done.

254 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:10:17pm

re: #247 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yeah. I was out for a good while.

/my “life” is interfering with quality time on LGF !

* * * *
Welcome back, by the way, I meant for Blubbering Sanford the adulterous idiot to “Be Gone” with the wind, not you.

255 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:10:17pm

re: #185 Creeping Eruption

OT: This topic and the one I am linking are both very serious, but I could not help but chuckle. I also do not live in CA: California to pay creditors with IOU’s

Cool! I’m gonna pay my taxes the same way!

256 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:10:44pm

re: #252 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Now who’s being naive?

The same person who didn’t know Jordan and Israel had a peace treaty

257 lincolntf  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:11:09pm

re: #255 debutaunt

International Obama Units?

258 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:11:24pm

re: #213 quickjustice

It was different. At a time of global cold war with the Soviet Union, the U.S. regularly undermined and removed communist regimes allied with the Soviets. Allende was such a threat, as was Mossadegh in Iran. And in the case of Chile, the Monroe Doctrine also applied.

I wish we still would take out governments that were even perceived to be a threat to us. The current Iranian government has been at war with us for 30 years & we’ve yet to do squat about them.

259 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:11:40pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Goodbye, Lizards. I’m going on vacation.

Have fun wallowing in the hypocritical contradictions of American history. I’m sure the discussion will be more or less the same when I get back.

Don’t hurry back from Argentina.

260 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:11:44pm

re: #248 pingjockey

Why, as smart as you seem to be, have to be an ass?

Because it increases his self-esteem. He LIKES it.

261 HippieforLife  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:11:53pm

re: #34 _RememberTonyC

Decent Democrats? Who might they be?

262 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:11:57pm

I would cry if I wasn’t laughing so hard.

263 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:12:01pm

Iran is awash in blood. The Iranian Leader quotes Obama’s month-old letter to him seeking reconciliation, and asks if he was lying then, or lying now in his condemnation of them. The damage is done.

264 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:12:15pm

re: #248 pingjockey

Why, as smart as you seem to be, have to be an ass?


because he/she is a smartass?

265 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:12:25pm

re: #260 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Drives me nuts.

266 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:12:37pm

re: #254 alegrias

* * * *
Welcome back, by the way, I meant for Blubbering Sanford the adulterous idiot to “Be Gone” with the wind, not you.

NO! DON’T TAKE BACK THE WHACK! I LIKE IT!
*sob*

:D

267 Wendya  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:12:44pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Goodbye, Lizards. I’m going on vacation.

Have fun wallowing in the hypocritical contradictions of American history. I’m sure the discussion will be more or less the same when I get back.

Taking a “hate America first” world tour by chance?

268 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:13:00pm

re: #261 HippieforLife

Decent Democrats? Who might they be?


there has to be someone out there who is not a koolade drinker … doesn’t there?

269 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:13:34pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Goodbye, Lizards. I’m going on vacation.

Have fun wallowing in the hypocritical contradictions of American history. I’m sure the discussion will be more or less the same when I get back.

Is there any reason whatsoever for a country which has done bad in the past not to condemn evil occuring before its eyes in the present?

Hypocrisy is not an excuse for inaction, even if the circumstances were the same.

270 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:13:37pm

re: #259 haakondahl

Are you suggesting that Cato is traveling to Argentina for—gasp— sloppy seconds? ;-)

271 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:14:07pm

re: #264 _RememberTonyC
Umm…No. I have a degree, an advanced degree in smartassery. Cato is smart, but not a smart ass! It’s part of the job description to be an NCO.

272 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:14:15pm

re: #260 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Because it increases his self-esteem. He LIKES it.

re: #264 _RememberTonyC

because he/she is a smartass?

re: #265 pingjockey

Drives me nuts.

Does anyone know Cato personally?

I wonder why it’s necessary to take him (or anyone, really) so seriously that we get our feelings hurt, given that we don’t know him and he doesn’t know us.

273 lincolntf  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:14:15pm

Furious finish on ESPN.

274 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:14:49pm

re: #263 quickjustice

Iran is awash in blood. The Iranian Leader quotes Obama’s month-old letter to him seeking reconciliation, and asks if he was lying then, or lying now in his condemnation of them. The damage is done.

* * * *
Jimmy Carter’s Iranian revolution happened in Carter’s last year in office.

Obama’s blown this chance to undo Carter’s biggest crisis in his first 4 months.
Democrats had 30 years to study what to do on this, Carter’s “Vietnam.”

275 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:14:54pm

re: #253 reine.de.tout

And we HOPE that he learns that before any great damage is done.

I convinced Hillary and Gibbs will have a call to Jesus moment with him if it’s headed that way. I recall the outreaches to China and the Soviet Union during the cold war getting the same sort of criticism years ago.

276 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:15:03pm
277 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:15:10pm

re: #235 avanti

OK, candid moment to state the obvious. Obama is a bit naive with his abundance of hope. He’ll try the nice guy approach until he learns it’s not a all milk and honey world, as much as he wished it were.

Lesson which may be learned by the left, and which has been obvious to the right—vote for grown-ups. I’m not holding my breath for the cognoscenti to admit that the FP hawks and fiscal conservatives (Buehler? Buehler?) were right about foreign policy and the economy, but it does certainly seem that way.

278 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:15:30pm

re: #271 pingjockey

Umm…No. I have a degree, an advanced degree in smartassery. Cato is smart, but not a smart ass! It’s part of the job description to be an NCO.

very impressive resume :)

279 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:15:35pm

re: #275 avanti

I convinced Hillary and Gibbs will have a call to Jesus moment with him if it’s headed that way. I recall the outreaches to China and the Soviet Union during the cold war getting the same sort of criticism years ago.

Oh please

280 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:15:45pm

re: #275 avanti

I convinced Hillary and Gibbs will have a call to Jesus moment with him if it’s headed that way. I recall the outreaches to China and the Soviet Union during the cold war getting the same sort of criticism years ago.

I hope you’re right.

281 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:15:53pm

re: #272 reine.de.tout
Doesn’t hurt my feelings at all. It’s just some of the stuff he comes up with. Of course Chile was at the height of the Cold War so it’s equal to Iran now?

282 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:16:14pm

re: #273 lincolntf

Furious finish on ESPN.

* * *
Finish of what? Don’t leave ESPN-free folks hanging.

283 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:16:16pm

re: #272 reine.de.tout

Fuck Cato….

‘Have fun wallowing in the hypocritical contradicitons of American history’

=

‘Have fun not being able to bask in my amazing and incomprable brilliance’

284 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:16:53pm

re: #272 reine.de.tout

Does anyone know Cato personally?

I wonder why it’s necessary to take him (or anyone, really) so seriously that we get our feelings hurt, given that we don’t know him and he doesn’t know us.


I’m just fooling around … nobody on the board pisses me off that much :)

285 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:17:21pm

re: #273 lincolntf

Furious finish on ESPN.

I thought we were playing Spain, not Finland?
/

286 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:17:28pm

re: #275 avanti

I convinced Hillary and Gibbs will have a call to Jesuscome to Mohammed moment with him if it’s headed that way. I recall the outreaches to China and the Soviet Union during the cold war getting the same sort of criticism years ago.

* * * *
fixed for you

287 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:17:30pm

re: #265 pingjockey

Drives me nuts.

Yeah. I can usually ignore him.

He seems to think it’s Startling News that there are incongruities, and much worse, in American history. In a way, he may think he’s the only one here who’s ever noticed them.

I honestly believe he doesn’t realize how silly he’s making himself sound.

288 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:18:01pm

re: #232 Cato the Elder

Goodbye, Lizards. I’m going on vacation.

Have fun wallowing in the hypocritical contradictions of American history. I’m sure the discussion will be more or less the same when I get back.

Have a nice holiday.
Let me guess, you’re attending a crash sleep-over charm school course at the Y.

289 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:18:08pm

re: #285 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I thought we were playing Spain, not Finland?
/

* * * *
Finland has no Real Madrid.

290 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:18:15pm

re: #278 _RememberTonyC
Heh. Problem is, it has rubbed of on my 3 boys. Plus the better half works in a machine shop. So as the only female in with the guys, she has to be really quick witted. The boys always have snappy answers to stupid questions.

291 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:18:20pm

re: #281 pingjockey

Doesn’t hurt my feelings at all. It’s just some of the stuff he comes up with. Of course Chile was at the height of the Cold War so it’s equal to Iran now?

I find it more helpful when people explain their reasoning than when they just throw out those kinds of “wallowing” statements, simply because I look to the smart folks here to post information that helps me sort things out, and I wish Cato did more of that.
But … if he doesn’t have time, then he doesn’t have time.

292 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:19:01pm

re: #267 Wendya

Taking a “hate America first” world tour by chance?

That’s a unfair comment. You may disagree with Cato, but I see no indication that he’s not a patriot. To point out the real errors our government has made over the years does not mean you hate you county, it might just mean although it’s the best, it’s government is not without flaw.

293 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:19:04pm

re: #220 subsailor68

John Bolton? Maybe he’s a long shot, but sure would be fun to watch in a debate with Obama.

yeah, from what little i know, he would w*rk…… i’d mention Palin, but that’s blood in the water to a few people here. %-)

294 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:19:26pm

re: #289 alegrias

* * * *
Finland has no Real Madrid.

They play ice soccer, otherwise known as hockey.

295 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:19:34pm

re: #292 avanti

That’s a unfair comment. You may disagree with Cato, but I see no indication that he’s not a patriot. To point out the real errors our government has made over the years does not mean you hate you county, it might just mean although it’s the best, it’s government is not without flaw.

Agree with you.

296 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:19:40pm

re: #291 reine.de.tout
Yep. I’ll shut up about it now.

297 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:20:31pm

re: #272 reine.de.tout

re: #260 pre-Boomer Marine brat


Does anyone know Cato personally?

I wonder why it’s necessary to take him (or anyone, really) so seriously that we get our feelings hurt, given that we don’t know him and he doesn’t know us.

Years of interaction in academic settings has made me immune to his/her asshole ways…

298 lincolntf  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:20:44pm

re: #275 avanti

You think Obama will listen to anything Hillary says? Even if it makes sense? He plopped her at State because she had spent her “career” dealing with domestic issues (health care, day-care for working mother’s, etc.) and could not possibly claim expertise at her job.
Nice guy, that President of ours.

299 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:20:50pm

re: #292 avanti

That’s a unfair comment. You may disagree with Cato, but I see no indication that he’s not a patriot. To point out the real errors our government has made over the years does not mean you hate you county, it might just mean although it’s the best, it’s government is not without flaw.

* * *
For someone called AVANTI which means forward looking in Italian, you spend lots of time looking backward & making apologies for people long gone.

300 lincolntf  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:21:09pm

USA wins. Huge upset!

301 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:21:25pm

re: #292 avanti


Funny…..The events in Chile, Guatemala and Iran that took place before I was even born are all favorite talking points of the international left…..

Can I question the international left’s patriotism?

302 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:21:30pm

re: #299 alegrias

re: #292 avanti


* * *
For someone called AVANTI which means forward looking in Italian, you spend lots of time looking backward & making apologies for people long gone.

Irony

303 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:21:52pm

re: #300 lincolntf
They better get guards for the spanish team!

304 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #290 pingjockey

Heh. Problem is, it has rubbed of on my 3 boys. Plus the better half works in a machine shop. So as the only female in with the guys, she has to be really quick witted. The boys always have snappy answers to stupid questions.


you guys must have some fun exchanges at the dinner table …

305 lincolntf  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:22:01pm

re: #282 alegrias

USA v. Spain soccer.

306 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:22:08pm

re: #293 redc1c4

yeah, from what little i know, he would w*rk…… i’d mention Palin, but that’s blood in the water to a few people here. %-)

* * * *
Stand by your man/woman.

Palin’s above pallin’ around with terrorists, you can be proud & certain of that.

307 HippieforLife  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #207 lawhawk

Shouldn’t Mr. Gibbs have said “the JUSTICE we enjoy”? I don’t remember the O saying anything about freedom yesterday.

308 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:22:54pm

re: #300 lincolntf


Why….beating Spain is no better than the overthrow of Salvador Allende, installing the Shah in Iran or beating the Soviets in ice hockey @ Lake Placid. This is sports hegemony at it’s worst, and of course, America is to blame….

//

309 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:22:58pm

re: #291 reine.de.tout

I find it more helpful when people explain their reasoning than when they just throw out those kinds of “wallowing” statements, simply because I look to the smart folks here to post information that helps me sort things out, and I wish Cato did more of that.
But … if he doesn’t have time, then he doesn’t have time.

I assume he’s refering to #196, and because of Cold-War intervention we should therefore now side with theocratic skull smashing despots in Iran rather then risk being hipocritical.

I think there’s logic in there, perhaps, but damned if I could find it.

310 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:23:18pm

re: #304 _RememberTonyC
Very entertaining! Plus my dad(granpa) isn’t much help either. Worked in the US Forest Service for 30 years, so he’s got a bunch of stuff too.

311 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:23:35pm
312 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:23:53pm

June 23, 2009: Update 2: Morteza Rezai said to be behind “coup.”

FDI sources tell us that the real power behind the Khamenei throne is not so much his son, Mojtaba, but the long-standing head of IRGC intelligence, Morteza Rezai.

Few people beyond the inner leadership circle have ever seen Rezai (not to be mistaken with presidential candidate and former IRGC commander Mohsen Rezai, who is not family), as he does not frequently appear at large public gatherings.

Two years ago, Morteza Rezai “retired” from the IRGC, but our sources say he was put in charge of a top secret program on behalf of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad, to guarantee his re-election in 2009. Part of the plan, as we revealed below (Update 3 from yesterday) was for Ahmadinejad to suspend the constitutional term limits on his office, and become president for life - like Hugo Chavez.

“All the billions of dollars these reformists say has gone missing these past few years have gone to Morteza Rezai to plan this coup,” a former Iranian intelligence officer told FDI.

It seems the regime strategy is to push this thing as far as they can, then declare an emergency crisis and install Ahmadinejad as President with emergency powers. This would explain why the US government has been at pains to avoid being seen as too supportive of the protests. The regime would jump on that in second.

313 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:23:56pm

re: #306 alegrias

re: #293 redc1c4


* * * *
Stand by your man/woman.

Palin’s above pallin’ around with terrorists, you can be proud & certain of that.

I am comforted by the the thoughts that my fellow Jews have to be honest with themselves and realize she WAS telling the truth…

314 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:24:07pm

re: #311 buzzsawmonkey
It’ll get smooshed.

315 badger1970  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:24:13pm

re: #303 pingjockey

Reminds me of USA ‘94 where that Colombian defender scored an own goal against the US.

316 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:24:51pm

re: #305 lincolntf

USA v. Spain soccer.

* * * *
Ay ay ay, what will my Madrilenyo relatives do? Self-immolate? Beaten by the Great Satan in Soccer?

PS, say a prayer for Iran’s soccer team which dared show support for the protesters and is now in deep doo doo with the terrorist police state.

317 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:25:21pm

re: #271 pingjockey

Umm…No. I have a degree, an advanced degree in smartassery. Cato is smart, but not a smart ass! It’s part of the job description to be an NCO.

i am an SME in “smartassery”…….. 20 years TIG as an E-4.

/trained many an NCO

318 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:25:28pm

re: #311 buzzsawmonkey

It’s hard to hold a hot dog in a clenched fist.

Will that be with or without mustard?

319 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:25:35pm

re: #315 badger1970

And then got shot to death when he went back to Colomiba…

/And Bill Buckner though he had it bad

320 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:26:21pm

re: #315 badger1970
That poor guy got home and they shot him. Sheesh. Then again, soccer raises huge passions. IIRC, didn’t Honduras and El Salvador back in the late 50s/early 60s fight a short war over a soccer match?

321 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:26:30pm

re: #310 pingjockey

Very entertaining! Plus my dad(granpa) isn’t much help either. Worked in the US Forest Service for 30 years, so he’s got a bunch of stuff too.


LOL … my 16 year old is the smartest and quickest wit in the family. He says some stuff that is so clever that I just tip my hat to him. He truly is a smart ass!

322 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:26:39pm

re: #318 Spare O’Lake

re: #311 buzzsawmonkey


Will that be with or without mustard gas?

FTFY

323 Wendya  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:26:50pm

re: #292 avanti

That’s a unfair comment. You may disagree with Cato, but I see no indication that he’s not a patriot. To point out the real errors our government has made over the years does not mean you hate you county, it might just mean although it’s the best, it’s government is not without flaw.

Suggesting that we must always point out our flaws before criticizing others or suggesting we have no moral authority to criticize others is absurd. Should we not condemn slavery in Africa because it used to be legal in this country?

324 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:26:54pm

re: #280 reine.de.tout

I hope you’re right.

“hope” is not a valid policy

325 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:27:05pm

re: #312 Kenneth

June 23, 2009: Update 2: Morteza Rezai said to be behind “coup.”

It seems the regime strategy is to push this thing as far as they can, then declare an emergency crisis and install Ahmadinejad as President with emergency powers. This would explain why the US government has been at pains to avoid being seen as too supportive of the protests. The regime would jump on that in second.


Let thanks for this info two threads back. Thanks again!

326 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:27:30pm

re: #317 redc1c4
Yup. Retired E-6.

327 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:27:41pm

re: #295 reine.de.tout

Agree with you.

It’s a personal quibble of mine. To attack someones patriotism because they disagree with you just sets off my BS meter. I don’t care if it’s turning on General Powell, or George Bush’s love of county, it just sits wrong with me. Best example “General Betrayus”.

328 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:28:10pm

re: #323 Wendya


DING DING DING DING!

We have a winnah!

329 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:28:15pm

Remember Saddam’s son Uday or Qusay tortured Iraqi soccer players in caskets with nails.

Like Tehran’s mullahs plan to do to those Iranian soccer players who dared show solidarity with the freedom seekers.

330 HippieforLife  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:28:34pm

re: #315 badger1970

I remember that, too. I also remember that he was shot and killed when he returned to Columbia.

Soccer is a tough sport.

331 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:29:11pm

re: #329 alegrias
Those guys need to get away from their handlers and get asylum.

332 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:29:39pm

re: #324 redc1c4

“hope” is not a valid policy

Unfortunately, most Americans disagreed with that last fall.

333 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:29:39pm

Later folks, nap time.

334 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:29:42pm

re: #185 Creeping Eruption

OT: This topic and the one I am linking are both very serious, but I could not help but chuckle. I also do not live in CA: California to pay creditors with IOU’s

Why do I think that if someone tried to pay their taxes with the IOUs, California wouldn’t take them? And yet, it would help, by canceling out what the state owes, just like actual cash would.

335 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:29:50pm

re: #300 lincolntf

USA wins. Huge upset!

apology to follow forthwith.

/still amazed anyone cares about soccer

336 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:29:52pm

re: #298 lincolntf

You think Obama will listen to anything Hillary says? Even if it makes sense? He plopped her at State because she had spent her “career” dealing with domestic issues (health care, day-care for working mother’s, etc.) and could not possibly claim expertise at her job.
Nice guy, that President of ours.

Naah. He put her there to A) put her in a place where he can effortlessly swipe the reins and credit, but shift blame if needed, and B) to shut down the international President W. J. Clinton fund raising machine.

337 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:31:13pm

re: #327 avanti

To say we have no standing to say anything about Hariri’s assassination because of what happened to Salvador Allende some 35 years ago comes off as making excuses for baby Assad at best…..

338 HippieforLife  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:31:31pm

Has anyone in the State Department taken a lead on the Iran issue?
I know that Hillary is recovering from a broken elbow but she seems to be amazingly quiet on this issue.

339 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:32:32pm

Everyone have a good afternoon.

340 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:32:34pm

re: #306 alegrias

* * * *
Stand by your man/woman.

Palin’s above pallin’ around with terrorists, you can be proud & certain of that.

she’s the only reason McLame got two votes from our household. otherwise, we would simply have skipped that box entirely.

the very fact that she is so vilified by all the usual suspects is a plus in our eyes: they wouldn’t fear her so greatly if she wasn’t competent.

341 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:33:02pm

These so-called “confessions” being aired by state-controlled Iranian TV do not have to be believed in order to work. Other Iranians see them, and know exactly what has been done or threatened in order to extract the confession. That is the real value.

342 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:34:10pm

re: #312 Kenneth

This is consistent with prior reports, only more detailed. Mark my words: they’ll blame the U.S. for their power play no matter what we do. That’s why Obama’s caution is wasted.

343 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:35:10pm

re: #338 HippieforLife

Has anyone in the State Department taken a lead on the Iran issue?
I know that Hillary is recovering from a broken elbow but she seems to be amazingly quiet on this issue.

I suspect that she is at least a bit less Idiotarian on this, and has ben muzzled. For all I know, the broken elbow is a fig leaf for silence. At any rate, that’s a separate issue, and I hope she recovers soon, whichever condition she is in.

344 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:35:49pm

re: #326 pingjockey

Yup. Retired E-6.

retired E-4 here, and yes, i realize that’s impossible, according to the regs.

/managed it anyway, without Art 15 or other UCMJ activity

345 irongrampa  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:36:06pm

re: #317 redc1c4

Jeebus. 20 TIG as an E-4? Who’d you piss off THAT bad?

346 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:36:22pm
347 avanti  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #337 Fenway_Nation

To say we have no standing to say anything about Hariri’s assassination because of what happened to Salvador Allende some 35 years ago comes off as making excuses for baby Assad at best…..

To be clear, I’m not defending the moral equivalence issue, just the jab about the hate America tour directed at Cato.

348 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:36:47pm

re: #341 haakondahl

Well….since the path of most resistance seems to be fizzling out, maybe they could stage a general strike, saying they’re too scared to go out into the streets because of all the protests and clashes….

349 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:37:54pm

re: #323 Wendya

Suggesting that we must always point out our flaws before criticizing others or suggesting we have no moral authority to criticize others is absurd. Should we not condemn slavery in Africa because it used to be legal in this country?

Insisting on ideological purity is a fast way to lose, unless the purity in demand is that of your opponent. It’s not a principle; it’s a tactic.

350 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:37:59pm
351 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:42:32pm

Oh…and for all the whinging about the CIA-backed coup that deposed Allende, take a look at the fighter planes that were strafing the Casa de Moneda in ‘73…..

I’m pretty sure those are British made Hawker-Hunters in the file footage. How come nobody’s trying to hold the UK accountable?

352 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:43:09pm

re: #345 irongrampa

Jeebus. 20 TIG as an E-4? Who’d you piss off THAT bad?

a variety of people over the years. %-)

actually, it was because of a variety of causes over the years at different units, and towards the end, the last 5 years or so, i no longer cared, but actually found humor in the situation. I told people it was my goal to retire as “Specialist of the Army”.

1 time they gave me an E5 & an E6 to train in my MOS, filling both promotion slots. i declined the privilege and transfered, but the new unit wouldn’t let me complete the 2 week session i needed to be MOS Q for the E6 slot i was in.

another time, the ARCOM lost every promotion packet from my unit twice in one year, and then we discovered my contract was invalid, and they wouldn’t renegotiate, so i went back to the Guard. Several units there refused to submit requests for school so i could be MOS Q, so i never had a chance. after awhile, it no longer seemed worth trying.

353 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:43:57pm

Anyone want to come to my imaginary world? It’s much nicer. In it, young women don’t die in vain. In it, the parlors of the White House do not have the bloody tracks of dictators staining the carpets. In it, we have a president who believes in all that America is supposed to stand for, and would be worthy to shake hands with Lincoln and Washington.

It’s a nice place, my imaginary world. I also have fudgsicles there.

354 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:45:01pm

re: #353 EmmmieG

Anyone want to come to my imaginary world? It’s much nicer. In it, young women don’t die in vain. In it, the parlors of the White House do not have the bloody tracks of dictators staining the carpets. In it, we have a president who believes in all that America is supposed to stand for, and would be worthy to shake hands with Lincoln and Washington.

It’s a nice place, my imaginary world. I also have fudgsicles there.

is the bar well stocked?

355 Danny  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:47:17pm

re: #171 MJ

Because Obama sees the Islamic and Arab world as victims of Western, Israeli, and American imperialism and colonialism.

Bingo. You’ve succinctly summarized the Obama administration’s foriegn policy, except that you left off “…and Bush.”

356 irongrampa  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:53:33pm

re: #352 redc1c4

Kinda think the Army screwed the pooch with you, Red-kudos to ya for rising above the shit.

357 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 3:04:30pm

re: #356 irongrampa

Kinda think the Army screwed the pooch with you, Red-kudos to ya for rising above the shit.

i didn’t rise very far though….. %-)

thanks for the compliment!

358 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 4:00:33pm

syria is as scummy a regime as any in the world, so I have no use for them. but given syria’s close relationship with iran, could this be Obama’s attempt to create some leverage that he can use to try and pry syria away from iran? I doubt it will work, but that’s the only possible reason I can think to do this. and with iran’s current crackdown making it more of a pariah around the world, that could explain the timing. but Obama probably doesn’t realize that syria has a history of doing similar things. do a google search on “Hama 1982” if you want to know what I mean.

359 soxfan4life  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 4:34:05pm

I didn’t read all the way through, so forgive me if it has already been said, but maybe the guy is willing to hold a BHO fundraiser in his living room. We all know the commie SOB has a soft spot for terrorists he can get a campaign donation from.

360 Hawaii69  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 4:48:37pm

re: #51 lawhawk

I’m sure that this will end well. After all, what could possibly go wrong with talking to a bunch of murderous thugs like Assad? /

The Russians are looking to reactivate their naval base in
Tartous, Syria, enlarge it, and use it as a base for their Black Sea Fleet.

We’ve got a long history of dealing with less than desirable regimes when it suits us. In this case, it suits us to draw them out of that sphere if influence.

361 tobariv  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 7:46:54pm

Obama’s interpretation of the Arab-Israeli conflict clearly is learned from his good friend Rashid Khalidi. He was at the U.of C. during Intifada 1(1987). I remember him speaking on NPR. It is time to insist that the LA Times release the farewell party videotape. Obama’s held a soiree for Khalidi when he left to “teach” his propaganda at Columbia University. This was suppressed during the campaign. Does Obama really care that the Iranian protestors are beaten down and they will again be under a despot’s rule? Why shouldn’t Obama send an ambassador to Syria-he doesn’t care about democracy in the middle east.

362 trolamc  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:13:14pm

Hey Charles… in full disclosure…. my last name is McEveety and Steve McEveety just produced a movie that opens tomorrow called “The Stoning of Soraya M.”…. relevant to what is going on in the Middle East these days and particularly with the Iranian situation…. Might it be worth getting the word out?

Vince Mc


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