but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air pending the outcome.

Some have stopped evolving pending Darwin's outcome.
/

Facts are the world’s data whatever we want them to be.

/had to update Gould there... after all, it is 2009

re: #1 solomonpanting

Some have stopped evolving pending Darwin's outcome.
/

The Disco Institute comes to mind.

Christopher Lee in The Horror Express.

"Facts do not go away"
But they DO come with expiration dates, at least with this president!

re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth

Christopher Lee in The Horror Express.

BEST. CHEESY HORROR FILM. EVER!

I love you for posting that; I do.

re: #6 iceweasel

Better than Carnival of Souls?

re: #5 Floral Giraffe

"Facts do not go away"
But they DO come with expiration dates, at least with this president!

No, they don't. Obama is going to learn that the facts remain the facts. We'll all be hurt in his education, but that will be demonstrated to him. He probably won't get it, but I hope he will.

re: #7 wiffersnapper

Better than Carnival of Souls?

I think Carnival of Souls is genuinely creepy, not cheesy. Great movie.

re: #9 iceweasel

Fair enough.

But is it cheesier than Living Dead?

Sorry, I meant Evil Dead!

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

From your finger tips to God's ear! I just hope the US doesn't get broken too badly in the process.

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

The Disco Institute comes to mind.

Which brings up the origin of an old line. Remember the child's retort:
"The last time I heard that I fell off my dinosaur."

For YEC, there's more than a kernel of truth to that statement.

Gould really did his best to make inconvenient facts go away.

The facts are still around and people are still trying to make them go away.

He's not around anymore though.

re: #12 wiffersnapper

Sorry, I meant Evil Dead!

A good question. Evil Dead intends to be funny and over the top though; I don't think Horror Express does at all, which is why I love it so.

Army of Darkness is fun too! Shop Smart, Shop S-Mart.

re: #14 solomonpanting

Which brings up the origin of an old line. Remember the child's retort:
"The last time I heard that I fell off my dinosaur."

For YEC, there's more than a kernel of truth to that statement.

What that proves is that they are ideologically blind.

Brings to mind the Anthropogenic Global WarmingClimate Change 'debate'.

... and then there is the small wrinkle of certainty.

Measurements of observed data sets that are samples of a broader population have to account for the intrinsic uncertainty in how that sample represents the whole.

re: #16 iceweasel

A good question. Evil Dead intends to be funny and over the top though; I don't think Horror Express does at all, which is why I love it so.

Army of Darkness is fun too! Shop Smart, Shop S-Mart.

Loved Army of Darkness.

re: #18 Van Helsing

I opened my pool a month ago. Since then there hasn't been a single day that was warm enough to go in the water.

re: #21 Abu Al-Poopypants

Dagnabbit, that gorebal warming!
///

Time for me to head to bed. Good night, all.

But what you think is a fact may not be, subject to theoretical confirmation.

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Goodnight!

re: #24 itellu3times

Bah! You're just trying to confuse me!
*waves Hi*

"You're entitled to your opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

re: #21 Abu Al-Poopypants

I opened my pool a month ago. Since then there hasn't been a single day that was warm enough to go in the water.

Phoenix AZ (home) just finished their longest stretch of sub-100F days in June since 1913. My pool is just great right now.

Way too much controversy in measurements and outcome (what, after all IS the proper temperature for the planet) for us to be basing huge allocations of resources to be 'fighting'.

Much better to make sure we have inexpensive energy to deal with either cooling or warming.

Did anyone watch ABC's Ø-mercial tonight? I was listening to some Miles Davis and reading Hot Air.

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Good night.

re: #2 freetoken

Facts are the world’s data whatever we want them to be.

/had to update Gould there... after all, it is 2009

Sad because it's true.

re: #28 Van Helsing

Much better to make sure we have inexpensive energy to deal with either cooling or warming.

Ø admitted during the campaign that he wants energy to be more expensive, he just doesn't want the price to climb too quickly.

re: #31 Sharmuta

Sad because it's true.

More like what we can bugger the data and raise the alarms to make people think it's true.

Hansen ( the imprimis nutball for AGW) excels at this.

Recently in arrested at a protest in West Virginia.

I thought federal employees weren't supposed to engage in political activities?

0bama is into triaging off the elderly to save money.
At least according to this article.
I refuse to listen to this man and his agenda.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable”

Dr. Laurence J. Peter

re: #34 Floral Giraffe

0bama is into triaging off the elderly to save money.
At least according to this article.
I refuse to listen to this man and his agenda.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

either way, Ear Leader will do it...

re: #32 Abu Al-Poopypants

Ø admitted during the campaign that he wants energy to be more expensive, he just doesn't want the price to climb too quickly.

Yes, going for the frog in the pan effect.
I've written my congressman and senators to tell them my take on the upcoming legislation.
Shadegg is against it, Kyle (I think) is against it, and John McCain is, er, well, he's John McCain. What's the latest poll say?

re: #32 Abu Al-Poopypants

Ø admitted during the campaign that he wants energy to be more expensive, he just doesn't want the price to climb too quickly.

Only makes me want to use more cheaper. Gotta find a cheaper way to run 3 TV's and 2 computers in the house cheap. I'll put a solar panel on the roof to keep all of my ED's (electronic devices) in the house running.

Just for grins and giggles -

NINE WORDS WOMEN USE:

(1) Fine: This is the word women use to end an argument when they are right and you need to shut up.

(2) Five Minutes: If she is getting dressed, this means a half an hour. Five minutes is only five minutes if you have just been given five more minutes to watch the game before helping around the house.

(3) Nothing: This is the calm before the storm. This means something, and you should be on your toes. Arguments that begin with nothing usually end in "fine".

(4) Go Ahead: This is a dare, not permission. Don't do it!

(5) Loud Sigh: This is actually a word - a non-verbal word often misunderstood by men. A loud sigh means she thinks you are an idiot and wonders why she is wasting her time standing here arguing with you about nothing. (Refer back to #3 for the meaning of nothing.)

(6) That's Okay: This is one of the most dangerous statements a woman can make to a man. That's Okay means she wants to think long and hard before deciding how and when you will pay for your mistake.

(7) Thanks: A woman is thanking you - do not question, or faint. Just say you're welcome. (I want to add a clause here - This is true, unless she says 'Thanks a lot' - that is pure sarcasm and she is not thanking you at all. DO NOT say 'you're welcome', as that will bring on a 'whatever').

(8) Whatever: Is a woman's way of saying F--- YOU!

(9) Don't worry about it, I've got it: Another dangerous statement, meaning this is something that a woman has told a man to do several timess, but is now doing herself. This will later result in a man asking 'What's wrong?' For the woman's response, refer to #3.

:)

re: #34 Floral Giraffe

But who is better equipped to make those sort of decisions, some silly doctor or some bureaucrat reporting to the cømmunisty organizer himself?

0bama rescinds July 4 invites to Iranian diplomats
(None of them had responded, anyway!)
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

re: #37 Van Helsing

I live in MA, so who the eff am I supposed to write to? Blog comments is all I got.

re: #38 sngnsgt

Only makes me want to use more cheaper. Gotta find a cheaper way to run 3 TV's and 2 computers in the house cheap. I'll put a solar panel on the roof to keep all of my ED's (electronic devices) in the house running.

5KW still costs about $15KBucks. That is much more than you need to run those things, but what about the fridge to keep the beer cold?

Federal credits (IIRC) are good for almost half of that, and depending on the state maybe another 25%.

It looks good until you add on a battery system to cover nights (happens every day I hear) and then a 5KW flex-fuel generator starts to look good.

I'd love to have both...

re: #42 Abu Al-Poopypants

I live in MA, so who the eff am I supposed to write to? Blog comments is all I got.

That's how I feel in my neck of the woods here in So. Calif. Our little town had the highest percentage of Obama voters.

re: #40 Abu Al-Poopypants

But who is better equipped to make those sort of decisions, some silly doctor or some bureaucrat reporting to the cømmunisty organizer himself?

And, that is the scary part!

Today in History, June 25th:

Highlights of this day in history: The Korean War begins; Custer meets his end at the Battle of Little Bighorn; John Dean testifies before the Senate Watergate Committee; Author George Orwell born; Deep-sea explorer Jacques Cousteau dies.

Other notable June 25th events include:

1788 – Virginia becomes the 10th state to ratify the United States Constitution.

1913 – American Civil War veterans begin arriving at the Great Reunion of 1913.

1938 – Dr. Douglas Hyde is inaugurated the first President of Ireland.

1947 – The Diary of Anne Frank is published.

1949 – Long-Haired Hare is released in Theaters starring Bugs Bunny.

1967 – First global satellite television program – Our World.

1981 – Microsoft is restructured to become an incorporated business in its home state of Washington.

1998 – In Clinton v. City of New York, the United States Supreme Court decides that the Line Item Veto Act of 1996 is unconstitutional.

re: #44 Pvt Bin Jammin

I was raised in Laguna Beach. Hard to beat that for liberal loons...

re: #33 Van Helsing

Look- people on both sides of the argument have been shown to be less than honest. I'm skeptical, but I don't deny that the climate changes and we contribute something to that. I'm looking for facts and not bullshit.

Fact is, it's easier to know for a fact what the theory is, than to discern theoretically what the facts are.

re: #42 Abu Al-Poopypants

I live in MA, so who the eff am I supposed to write to? Blog comments is all I got.

What? Ted and John F'n aren't going to listen to you?
I'm shocked. I'm sure they'd be all over alternative energy sources that didn't block their 'everyman' view off Cape Cod or wherever the heck they have their 'compounds'.

How come (except for the above) is compound always in scare quotes (unless you're a democrat senator)?

re: #21 Abu Al-Poopypants

I opened my pool a month ago. Since then there hasn't been a single day that was warm enough to go in the water.

Obviously, you don't live in mid-Missouri! In the upper 90's for several days, and for the next week. (What we get for complaining in January about the cold!)

And so humid anything wool in the closet will shrink. Why Algore invented air-conditioning - or was that someone else? Yesss, I forgot - Algore invented the heat.

re: #46 gmsc

Today in History, June 25th:

1949 – Long-Haired Hare is released in Theaters starring Bugs Bunny.

Long-Haired Hare:

re: #44 Pvt Bin Jammin

That's how I feel in my neck of the woods here in So. Calif. Our little town had the highest percentage of Obama voters.

My sympathies - we all have our crosses to bear.

Ahh. A rest from bashing conservatives. Even those who need it.

re: #45 Floral Giraffe

And, that is the scary part!

That's the scary part, indeed. Sometimes I don't even sleep, thinking about it.
I hate the idea of the national health care & yet as a self-employed family our health insurance is our biggest expense, bar none. I would hate to think after all these years of paying we'd possibly be forced into something like that.

Let's pretend that it's "settled" that AGW or '"climate change™" is real. Crippling the already-disastrous US economy won't make any difference, and then China, India and other countries will dominate. (Which is OK with most donks because they feel that it's not fair that Americans have been better off for most of the past century or so.)

re: #53 GGMac

My sympathies - we all have our crosses to bear.

LOL You should have used a sarc tag. Guess I could move but other than the politics, I still like it here.

re: #48 Sharmuta

Look- people on both sides of the argument have been shown to be less than honest. I'm skeptical, but I don't deny that the climate changes and we contribute something to that. I'm looking for facts and not bullshit.

Me too, Sharmuta.
Perhaps there is a perceptual problem on my part (I tend to follow the money first) that indicates the AGW spokesfolk are lying hypocrites that are just in it for the money.

I also have looked at Watts up and gone through the laborious process of checking references and found them to be much more reliable than the IPCC regarding drawing appropriate conclusions from cited references.

I've also found (or not found as the case may be) few references to what temperature data is being used and how it's accuracy is verified.

Again, I don't deny that climate changes. I do question how much influence CO2 has on those changes (versus solar output for instance) and think that a lot more data collection needs to be done before we commit so many expensive resources to trying to mitigate something we have no control over.

If we have inexpensive energy we can deal with all but the most extreme climate changes - right now.

re: #56 Abu Al-Poopypants

Let's pretend that it's "settled" that AGW or '"climate change™" is real. Crippling the already-disastrous US economy won't make any difference, and then China, India and other countries will dominate. (Which is OK with most donks because they feel that it's not fair that Americans have been better off for most of the past century or so.)

I agree with this in that it's not the responsibility of America alone. However- the climate is changing. It has before, will again, and is doing so.

I'm not too worried about life on earth- it will evolve to deal with whatever conditions come along as to survive. The thing is- will humans be able to adapt? How much are we harming ourselves?

I'm not going to use the political motivations of some to deny the data altogether. That's not intellectually honest. What I will do is counter the politics with more politics in the form of better ideas, like other major industrial countries carrying their fair share of the burden.

And, I do NOT understand why we do not
DRILL HERE and DRILL NOW.
Except for them democrats in office...

/steps off soap box

re: #47 Floral Giraffe

I was raised in Laguna Beach. Hard to beat that for liberal loons...

I love Laguna Beach too, but you are absolutely right. At least the rest of Orange County is pretty cool.

I have the strange urge to call fauxtography on some of the Tehran protest footage.

Also, good afternoon.

re: #60 Floral Giraffe

You claimed to not understand, then in your 2nd sentence you demonstrated that you do understand. :^)

re: #62 laZardo

Hi laZardo!

re: #48 Sharmuta

Then here it is in a nutshell. Climate changes. Our effects on global climate temperature are non measurable. Our effect on regional climate is very measurable. Regions are very small. Man effects local rain fall and water retention. Not so much temperature. End of story.

re: #63 Abu Al-Poopypants

Hee Hee!
Drill baby, drill!

re: #64 Floral Giraffe

Hello Floral.

re: #59 Sharmuta

I agree with this in that it's not the responsibility of America alone. However- the climate is changing. It has before, will again, and is doing so.

I'm not too worried about life on earth- it will evolve to deal with whatever conditions come along as to survive. The thing is- will humans be able to adapt? How much are we harming ourselves?

I'm not going to use the political motivations of some to deny the data altogether. That's not intellectually honest. What I will do is counter the politics with more politics in the form of better ideas, like other major industrial countries carrying their fair share of the burden.

The question becomes the burden for what? the climate changes, it always has and likely always will.

What is the optimum temperature for the planet? Ice age? Pleistocene?
Jurassic? What? And how much can any action we take now influence it?

Those are long term questions to be answered. In the short term inexpensive energy lets us deal with the climate changes experienced in recorded history.

I'd rather see our resources expended to DEAL with the change rather than mitigate that which MAY (likely is) completely beyond our control.

re: #65 pat

Then here it is in a nutshell. Climate changes. Our effects on global climate temperature are non measurable. Our effect on regional climate is very measurable. Regions are very small. Man effects affects local rain fall and water retention. Not so much temperature. End of story.

AFFECT/EFFECT

/Pet Peeve

/bed

re: #58 Van Helsing

I think all industrialized countries should control pollution. Research and development of green technology should be encouraged and implemented. We should take care of our home. But forcing draconian solutions on the few in the hopes of achieving political desires is wrong.

I have a friend who has been working for some time now on a windmill project, and I think it will be fantastic not only for his community but the regional area's energy needs. Don't see what's wrong in supporting this even if it is more of a lefty thing. I see it as win-win for all involved. The area will have clean energy, and the land owners will have money. Nothing wrong with that.

re: #69 gmsc

AFFECT/EFFECT

/Pet Peeve

Good call Pi man.

re: #72 Van Helsing

Good call Pi man.

Thanks.

Evening, VH!

re: #69 gmsc

My favorite response to that situation:

"What's the difference?"

"One is correct, the other is not..."

re: #70 Abu Al-Poopypants

/bed

Same here - 2:25 AM, and my eyeballs are almost at the 'shimmery" stage. Have a good night, Lizards...:)

re: #71 Sharmuta

MANY of the solutions, dynamics, actions and attitudes expressed and discussed here and at other fine meeting places, by rational, well-meaning people, are WONDERFUL solutions, dynamics, actions and attitudes IF they are left to the individual to CHOOSE to implement, Sharmy.

They are Hell on Earth when imposed by a righteous cadre of Superior Comrades...

re: #66 Floral Giraffe

I would care if I had a little oil derrick right here in my back yard but I would demand that they make it look cuter than those fake palm tree cell phone towers.

re: #74 ArchangelMichael

My favorite response to that situation:

"What's the difference?"

"One is correct, the other is not..."

There's a Star Trek: The Next Generation quote that's very close to that.

Data: "One is my name. The other is not."

re: #40 Abu Al-Poopypants

But who is better equipped to make those sort of decisions, some silly doctor or some bureaucrat reporting to the cømmunisty organizer himself?

That argument would carry a lot more weight if insurance companies didn't make doctors jump through so many hoops before finally pre-approving only half what the doctor feels is appropriate.

re: #71 Sharmuta

Absolutely agree. It is not wise to poo in one's nest.
Where I have a problem is that if we expend money to try to deal with that which will NOT affect the problem we are concerned with then the fallout from that (altered crop cycles, rainfall, etc.) will not be addresses and those are far more immediate concerns than a .1 to .4 degrees C change in average global temperature (whatever the heck that is).

This is a case where dealing with the symptom will provide far greater than dealing with the problem.

Absolutely agree. It is not wise to poo in one's nest.
Where I have a problem is that if we expend money to try to deal with that which will NOT affect the problem we are concerned with then the fallout from that (altered crop cycles, rainfall, etc.) will not be addressesaddressed and those are far more immediate concerns than a .1 to .4 degrees C change in average global temperature (whatever the heck that is).

This is a case where dealing with the symptom will provide far greater than dealing with the problem.

Correcting my own (because even preview isn't my friend, waaahhh).

re: #71 Sharmuta

But forcing draconian solutions on the few in the hopes of achieving political desires is wrong.

And this is what bothers me about the whole thing. I'm not down with people using the issue as a vehicle to force socialism on the world. There is a crowd, we know who they are, who attempt to use every crisis as an opportunity to promote collectivism to some degree.

I have a hard time listening to anything that crowd says since their solution is always the same.

re: #80 Van Helsing
I like that line of reasoning, Van...

"...so I'll remove the CAUSE...
but NOT the SYMPTOM!"

re: #78 gmsc

There's a Star Trek: The Next Generation quote that's very close to that.

Data: "One is my name. The other is not."

He was correcting Dr. Pulaski when she said Data with a short A sound instead of a long one.

re: #77 Pvt Bin Jammin

Those "palm phone trees" are mighty profitable for those who choose to house them. It's big money! And, they're better looking than the "pine phone trees" IMHO...

Good morning folks.

re: #84 ArchangelMichael

He was correcting Dr. Pulaski when she said Data with a short A sound instead of a long one.

I knew it! A fellow TNG geek!

re: #76 Karridine

MANY of the solutions, dynamics, actions and attitudes expressed and discussed here and at other fine meeting places, by rational, well-meaning people, are WONDERFUL solutions, dynamics, actions and attitudes IF they are left to the individual to CHOOSE to implement, Sharmy.

They are Hell on Earth when imposed by a righteous cadre of Superior Comrades...

This is very true. No one is forcing these land owners to put windmills on their property that they don't want. Likewise, no one is denying them the right to have windmills to sell the energy.

I think the social desire for cleaner energy and "green living" can be adequately met by capitalism. If people want it- someone can make a buck from it. If there's not money to be made in it, then the social desire isn't really there. That's when the moral busybodies get involved and try to impose their will on the rest of us. That should always be safeguarded against.

But I've also seen environmental studies that show the effects of pollution and how it can damage the health of the local populations. There is something to be said for enviro-regulations. It's a fine line where government power should begin and end, and people need to be informed and vigilant. Over regulation is harmful, but businessmen will get away with whatever it is they can get away with to save a dollar. There needs to be balance for business and the earth in this debate.

re: #85 Floral Giraffe

Those "palm phone trees" are mighty profitable for those who choose to house them. It's big money! And, they're better looking than the "pine phone trees" IMHO...

They don't have the color right on either of them (always too much blue). I've seen both types over near the Getty Museum. Dang, maybe I should let them put a tower in my back yard. Extra money's always nice, maybe ask them to throw in some extra landscaping.

re: #83 Karridine

I like that line of reasoning, Van...

"...so I'll remove the CAUSE...
but NOT the SYMPTOM!"

Wheee! A Creature of the Night thread!

re: #6 iceweasel

BEST. CHEESY HORROR FILM. EVER!

I love you for posting that; I do.

Heh, when I was a youngin', they used to show all the Christopher Lee/Peter Cushing horror/thrillers on TV in the afternoons. Of course, with Star Wars being hot at the time, and Mr. Cushing being in that film, I was glued to whatever he was staring in.

/I mean c'mon, Peter Cushing had to be some kinda serious badass. How else could get Vader to stand down just by telling him too?

re: #71 Sharmuta

Windmill projects are facing some challenges from birders, IIRC.
Seems to be a bigger challenge, when th ewindmills are pllaced along migratory routes.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

re: #89 Pvt Bin Jammin

You'd already know, if they needed your location. It's worth $3K a month, or more, I think...

re: #83 Karridine

I like that line of reasoning, Van...

"...so I'll remove the CAUSE...
but NOT the SYMPTOM!"

One could take that in several ways...
re: #83 Karridine

I like that line of reasoning, Van...

"...so I'll remove the CAUSE...
but NOT the SYMPTOM!"

Let's do the time warp again

re: #92 Floral Giraffe

I would discuss it more at length, but I have inside information due to my friend. I'm not sure how wise it is to reveal as much as I know on the situation since some issues are still pending.

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

Vincent Price.
That's all!
I saw him do a one man spreaking show in West La, once upon a time. He was beyond great. Oh, and TALL! Very well spoken, totally got the meaning & character he was playing. BEST live performance, I have ever seen.

re: #88 Sharmuta

I fully intend, if I can afford to do so and I'm not in an area with a Nazi-HOA or Nazi-Zoning laws, to have solar power on my home at some point. If the area is windy I might complement it with wind power. I will also try to have a diesel or flex-fuel generator as a backup. I fully intend to continue owning gas-guzzling muscle cars, but I also plan to own a 2nd car which gets very high gas mileage, or is totally electric. My motorcycle fills this role (sort of) right now because it gets 52 mpg.

This is all fine and dandy because I choose to do this. I choose to because it will make me less dependent on others for basics, it will save me money in the long term, and because I think all this stuff is, for lack of a better term "cool".

If this was mandated on me by government commissars, I would fight it tooth and nail.

re: #93 Floral Giraffe

You'd already know, if they needed your location. It's worth $3K a month, or more, I think...

Guess I'll have to hope there is oil here. LOL

re: #16 iceweasel

Sadly, it seems there will never be an Evil Dead 4. *sigh*

There's always Bubba Ho-Tep.

re: #88 Sharmuta

From engineering standpoint there is a huge problem with solar and wind energy.
Currently the distribution system (the grid) is demand driven - we need more energy, put #2 on-line. With solar and wind it will be the SUPPLY that varies. Today there is no way to store that kind of variation in supply. There are ways (kinetic, thermal) to do that but we don't have them right now.

I'd rather see money put into systems that are available now (nuclear) and systems to develop more efficient distribution systems. High temperature superconductors could increase efficiency by a minimum of 30%.

We lose over 40% of generated power to transmission losses.

re: #96 Floral Giraffe

House on Haunted Hill, baby!

/I forgive him for that Egghead thing *ugh!*

re: #94 Van Helsing

Let's do the time warp again

Let's hope the Star Trek and Time Warp threads don't crash into each other.

Oops! Too late.

re: #100 Van Helsing

The Japanese are doing more wind, with batteries. I don't think it's the whole solution, it's just a component. In the situation with my friend, I fully support this. It's not like energy demands are going to go down anytime soon. If a green technology can fill some of that, fine by me. This project is being driven by capitalism, not from a government mandate.

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

Sadly, it seems there will never be an Evil Dead 4. *sigh*

There's always Bubba Ho-Tep.

I've never seen Bubba Ho-Tep! I will add it to my list.

You might like a movie called Brutal Massacre, especially if you like mockumentaries like Spinal Tap or Waiting for Guffman. It's a mockumentary about the making of a horror film, and it's great.

There's a trailer on youtube but the trailer definitely doesn't do it justice.

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth

Once upon a time, in a land FAR far away, I was a college student, in a difficult major, with only one elective out of my major a semester. So that elective had to be as different as possible. One year I discovered "the history of fantasy, science fiction & horror films". It was the BEST. If I never again see in my life, Deborah Kerr running into a hung goat after dark, in Jamaica, I will still be happy. Blade Runner, the directors cut! BOOYAH!

And to all a good night!
Tis time for me to listen to my pillow.
See you later.

"Alternative Energy": For people who can't add.
(Part 1/2)

Sigh. I'm continually amazed how many "scientists" can't do basic math. Like this nutwad who thinks we can solve all our problems by using solar power to light up the country.

"If 2 percent of the continental United States were covered with photovoltaic systems with a net efficiency of 10 percent, we would be able to supply all the U.S. energy needs," said Bulovic, the KDD Associate Professor of Communications and Technology in MIT's Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science.

And how big is 2 percent of the continental US? As Will Collier points out, slightly larger than the state of Georgia.

He also does the math on how many orbiting, and thereby much more efficient solar panels, would be required to match the output of a nuclear plant.

The Space Station solar panels are fairly large as such things go, about 8,740 square feet in area. At 64 kilowatts of power for every 8,740 square feet of solar panel, you'd need about 136 million square feet of panels to generate a single megawatt of electricity. Just for comparison's sake, the Farley Nuclear Power Plant near Dothan, Alabama, can produce as much as 1,776 megawatts of power. That kind of output would require approximately 242 billion square feet of orbiting solar cells--about 8,700 square miles, an area larger than the state of New Jersey.

Both of these pie (or state-sized satellite) in the sky concepts have one little problem that happens to come up every time MIT professors who know absolutely jack about grid power generation start spouting off. You can not generate base power with solar energy. Nor can you do it with wind energy. Nor can you do it with tide energy. Why? Well, here's a little primer on power generation.

(See the primer in part 2)

"Alternative Energy": For people who can't add.
(Part 2/2)

There are three kinds of generation that need to happen in order for the buttons to light up on your microwave. But before I get into that, one needs to understand the concept of load. Most people would tend to think that power generation works in a positive flow model, in that when you generate a given amount of juice, it goes on the grid and is then consumed. This is wrong. In fact, power generation works in a negative flow model, meaning that there is a given demand on a grid at any given time, that demand is load, and it is not a static thing. Now, if you were to go and build a power turbine in your back yard and hook it up to the grid, you would find a rather interesting display of physics, in that you could throttle the generator based on how much load you put on it, not how much fuel you dump into whatever you have spinning it.

Base generation, or base load, is what keeps the lights on all the time. It is a constant power generation, the output of which rarely if ever fluctuates as a result of its power source. There are only three kinds of fuel that can currently be used to generate base power: Hydro dams, Nuclear plants, and Fossil fuel burning plants. Why? Because those are the only methods one can use to produce a given amount of power, and be absolutely certain that it will be putting out that same amount of power next week, or next month, or next year. If you did not have base power generation, you would have massive power fluctuations with different supply loads, and the whole grid would collapse. (This is what happened on the east coast a few years ago. Imagine it happening on an hourly basis.).

The second type of generator is a ramp, or load control generator. This type of power generation is used to provide juice for demand loads, like when everyone gets home from work at 17:00 and cranks up the AC. Load control is, again, almost entirely done by fossil, nuke or hydro plants, because certain demand models are built for various locations at various times of the year, and those demands have to be met. That means one needs a power source that can be ramped up on demand, or to use the correct slag, more load can be placed on a given generator to match demand, and the power system for said generator is able to keep up with it.

The third type of generator is a peak generator. THIS is where solar, wind and other hippie-brand, spotted-owl dicing power generation comes into play. See, solar and wind generators are never constant, because their output, or the amount of load they can accept, varies greatly with environmental conditions. Cloudy day? Solar plants are screwed. Wind dropping off? Wind plants are screwed. It is because of this dramatic fluctuation in load handling that every wind and/or solar station on the grid, has a fossil generator running right next to it to manage load. These peakers can produce energy at specific times, and when they can, that energy can be put on the grid (via a load balancing generator). However, as soon as their generation rate drops below a certain level, the load balancing fossil generator can no longer keep up, and the load demand needs to be transfered away from the peak plant and put on to either a ramp or base plant.

So, feel free to point out, the next time so tofu-munching sprout fairy goes on about how clean and pretty wind and solar plants are, that there's a big horkin' turbine right next to every single one, burning natural gas or oil.

Anyway, that is how power generation works. That's how it has to work, because there is currently no way of storing really, really big amounts of power in a manner that is even remotely efficient. Load must be managed, and in order to manage dynamic load, you need base generation via a static power source.

You would think a frickin' Associate Professor would understand such a simple concept, but evidently that's not the case.

re: #106 Floral Giraffe

And to all a good night!
Tis time for me to listen to my pillow.
See you later.

G'Nite, FG!

re: #102 gmsc

I find myself oddly attracted to Magenta. Is that wrong?

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

I find myself oddly attracted to Magenta. Is that wrong?

Madness . . . take its toll . . .
;)

re: #102 gmsc

Let's hope the Star Trek and Time Warp threads don't crash into each other.

Oops! Too late.

Good stuff!
I've always enjoyed this one Red shirt boogie.

I should get some sleep. I always like to get at least 3 hours sleep before I tell our supply chain people how I feel about them before they give me the same sub-standard crap to test.

F***ers waste sooo much of our time. "But it's cheaper"...
Swein.

re: #112 Van Helsing

Good stuff!
I've always enjoyed this one Red shirt boogie.

I should get some sleep. I always like to get at least 3 hours sleep before I tell our supply chain people how I feel about them before they give me the same sub-standard crap to test.

F***ers waste sooo much of our time. "But it's cheaper"...
Swein.

G'Nite, VH.

re: #108 gmsc

The project I know about isn't being done for mother earth. It's being done for the other green.

re: #114 Sharmuta

The project I know about isn't being done for mother earth. It's being done for the other green.

The watermelons? (Green on the outside, red on the inside)

re: #115 gmsc

The watermelons? (Green on the outside, red on the inside)

No problem with them trying, it's just we have a demand driven system and it'll take hellacious amounts of gold (money) to make it supply driven.

Done.

Van Helsing out.

Nite'all.

re: #115 gmsc

The watermelons? (Green on the outside, red on the inside)

RACSIT!

/don't forget seedy, too. q;

re: #112 Van Helsing

Good night. I enjoyed the conversation. Sorry I didn't respond to everything, but maybe we can do it again sometime.

re: #108 gmsc

Power Electronics is an elective even for EE majors. No one who doesn't specialize in it, or take the time to research it themselves, knows anything about this.

My case, I'd like to have solar, but I will still be on-grid. It will be supplementary power, and only be non-supplementary if there is a grid power outage. I want that grid power to be coming from a new modern, meltdown-proof nuclear power plant.

re: #119 ArchangelMichael

And that nuclear plant will have no "carbon footprint" to speak of, for those concerned with that sort of thing.

re: #119 ArchangelMichael

Two concerns I'd like to add to the nuclear power debate assuming safety measures in case of a meltdown...
1. Effects on water, hot water is dumped into an environment where aquatic life usually thrives.
2. Nuclear Waste. It is possible to "recycle" the waste but one of the byproducts is weapons-grade plutonium. (HELLO IRAN!)

re: #111 gmsc

If by "madness" you mean "Freaky dude with an odd taste in women", then mad I be.

re: #117 laZardo

RACSIT!

/don't forget seedy, too. q;

I can honestly say I've never been accused of being racsit before.
;)

re: #39 GGMac

Just for grins and giggles -

NINE WORDS WOMEN USE:

(2) Five Minutes: If she is getting dressed, this means a half an hour. Five minutes is only five minutes if you have just been given five more minutes to watch the game before helping around the house.

:)

I left this one because all the rest worked for me.

I'm fast at getting myself together, and if I say five minutes, it's usually five minutes, and maybe less.

re: #117 laZardo

RACSIT!

/don't forget seedy, too. q;

re: #118 Sharmuta

Good night. I enjoyed the conversation. Sorry I didn't respond to everything, but maybe we can do it again sometime.

I look forward to it.

Days (and nights and early mornings) are just too short.
Always good to type with you.

re: #115 gmsc

The watermelons? (Green on the outside, red on the inside)

I found the "primer" interesting and easy to read.
Would it follow from the conclusions that until enough power storage capacity is made available,wind farms and solar panels can even now be deployed to significantly reduce the amount of fossil fuel required to satisfy our energy needs?

re: #121 laZardo

Two concerns I'd like to add to the nuclear power debate assuming safety measures in case of a meltdown...
1. Effects on water, hot water is dumped into an environment where aquatic life usually thrives.
2. Nuclear Waste. It is possible to "recycle" the waste but one of the byproducts is weapons-grade plutonium. (HELLO IRAN!)

1. I assume this can be mitigated and avoided.
2. Depends on the design of the reactor. Only particular fuel types, enrichment-levels and moderator types can breed weapons-grade material. Thorium based reactors wont. Pebble-bed reactors and Hyperion type reactors wont either. The waste can be put in Yucca Mountain, or as I've seen suggested, sunk to the bottom of the ocean in subduction zones.

re: #124 silvergirl

I left this one because all the rest worked for me.

I'm fast at getting myself together, and if I say five minutes, it's usually five minutes, and maybe less.

My wiser half is the same.
Myself, 5 minutes means "I can grab another ale and then when she says are you ready I can guzzle it".

I'm not perhaps the best role model.

re: #128 Van Helsing

My wiser half is the same.
Myself, 5 minutes means "I can grab another ale and then when she says are you ready I can guzzle it".

I'm not perhaps the best role model.

I have to always ask whether the minutes are actual minutes as on a regular clock, or if they're football minutes.

re: #127 ArchangelMichael

1. I assume this can be mitigated and avoided.
2. Depends on the design of the reactor. Only particular fuel types, enrichment-levels and moderator types can breed weapons-grade material. Thorium based reactors wont. Pebble-bed reactors and Hyperion type reactors wont either. The waste can be put in Yucca Mountain, or as I've seen suggested, sunk to the bottom of the ocean in subduction zones.

It can be stabilized, and glassified and stuffed away in a safe place.
Pity that safe place is Harry Reid's state.

Scum that he is.

re: #118 Sharmuta

Good night. I enjoyed the conversation. Sorry I didn't respond to everything, but maybe we can do it again sometime.

G'Nite, Sharm!

OT: just found this interesting article from an Iranian female filmmaker living in exile in Canada. She says she didn't vote and many of her Iranian friends did not-- her reason is that whoever is president of Iran, she'll still be at risk of being stoned to death if she should return. She points out that the status of women in Iran needs radical change so long as it remains an "Islamic Republic".

Here are some simple facts that demonstrate that irrespective of who is president, I would be stoned to death in Iran:

1. As a woman whose husband refused to divorce her when she escaped the country and came to Canada as a refugee, I am considered this man’s wife as long as I am alive. It does not matter if I lived separate from him for years, have divorced him in my new country and am in a relationship with a new man. Under Iranian laws and the Iranian constitution, which are based on strict interpretation of Islamic laws, I am considered his wife and am at risk of being stoned for “adultery” if I ever go back to Iran. In fact as a woman, I have no right to divorce my husband under the country’s laws while he has the privilege of marrying three more times without divorcing me. This is the case no matter who is the president of Iran; Ahamdinejad or Mousavi.

It only gets more harsh from there.

[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

BTW, I've been mentioning for some time now that I was working on resdesigning my site.

The new design has just gone live only minutes ago. Click on my name above to see the new site design!

re: #131 gmsc

I just got here.

re: #134 Sharmuta

I just got here.

Oh. Oops - i thought you were saying goodnight to us.

Welcome!

re: #134 Sharmuta

I just got here.

Yes. 'twas me that was going dark.
And I haven't
Should.
Haven't.
Query - Is it Shiplord Kirel that has a nuke-oriented site?
I wanted to check that before I really no kidding really dropped off.

re: #133 gmsc

Looks nice. Now, just dumb it down a number of steps so I know what you're blogging about.

re: #132 iceweasel

OT: just found this interesting article from an Iranian female filmmaker living in exile in Canada. She says she didn't vote and many of her Iranian friends did not-- her reason is that whoever is president of Iran, she'll still be at risk of being stoned to death if she should return. She points out that the status of women in Iran needs radical change so long as it remains an "Islamic Republic".

It only gets more harsh from there.

[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

I skimmed the article and saw that she said she would be an infidel. It's so true, and for such innocent actions that most of us wouldn't give a second thought.

This is Iran. This is what it means to live under Ayotollah Khameini and his goons. No change is possible while Iran is controlled by autocratic, fundamentalist religious despots who determine the laws of the land.

The frustration of "no change is possible" is a sad state of being.

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

Looks nice. Now, just dumb it down a number of steps so I know what you're blogging about.

Hmmm . . . quote a challenge on a site focused on memory, math and other mental feats.

I ran a readability test on my blog, and it seems that I rate about the same readability as most popular novels (Above Reader's Digest, but not quite Time or Newsweek).

re: #133 gmsc

Looks more sophisticated.

re: #140 freetoken

Looks more sophisticated.

Thank you. I was going for a magazine-type feel, and also a site with a more unified design. The other one was getting somewhat bloated.

re: #133 gmsc

BTW, I've been mentioning for some time now that I was working on resdesigning my site.

The new design has just gone live only minutes ago. Click on my name above to see the new site design!

I don't think I'll try the iPunk'd. It would require running with scissors.

re: #133 gmsc

re: #133 gmsc

Looks nice. Good job.

re: #141 gmsc

Thank you. I was going for a magazine-type feel, and also a site with a more unified design. The other one was getting somewhat bloated.

That math stuff is so HARD. Shouldn't there be prizes for getting, lik, addition right?!

Kidding. I like it.

re: #138 Silvergirl

Yes. I thought it was a good article, partly because it highlights the plight of women in the Middle East, and partly because right now it's easy for us to think of Iran as being (relatively) better than other countries under Islamic law. Especially with all these images of so many brave women right now.

Even if Mousavi ultimately wins, I think it's important that we remember that for the women of Iran it's not much of a difference and there's a long way to go.
I hope that happens, I hope we all continue to be aware of the plight of women there.

re: #141 gmsc

Thank you. I was going for a magazine-type feel, and also a site with a more unified design. The other one was getting somewhat bloated.

I like it; it does look professional. IMO.

re: #139 gmsc

On a more serious note, I would increase the font size of links on the right if I were you. But of course, I have vision issues, so I am a bit biased in that regard.

re: #145 iceweasel

Yes. I thought it was a good article, partly because it highlights the plight of women in the Middle East, and partly because right now it's easy for us to think of Iran as being (relatively) better than other countries under Islamic law. Especially with all these images of so many brave women right now.

Even if Mousavi ultimately wins, I think it's important that we remember that for the women of Iran it's not much of a difference and there's a long way to go.
I hope that happens, I hope we all continue to be aware of the plight of women there.

Isn't it strange that President Obama's first major action as POTUS was to sign the equal pay for women bill into law, but he won't speak up for the oppressed women in the Middle East.

re: #139 gmsc

Ooooh, math challenges.

This should provide a healthy distraction from the...engineering mechanics math class...I'm...

oh.

/ 0:

re: #145 iceweasel

Yes. I thought it was a good article, partly because it highlights the plight of women in the Middle East, and partly because right now it's easy for us to think of Iran as being (relatively) better than other countries under Islamic law. Especially with all these images of so many brave women right now.

Even if Mousavi ultimately wins, I think it's important that we remember that for the women of Iran it's not much of a difference and there's a long way to go.
I hope that happens, I hope we all continue to be aware of the plight of women there.

I'm thinking you've probably read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Infidel. After I read that, it was hard, and still is, to be tolerant of Islam. The women of that religion have no choice but living in hopeless oppression.

re: #142 Silvergirl

I don't think I'll try the iPunk'd. It would require running with scissors.

Maybe try it with just 1 scis?
;)

re: #143 Sharmuta

re: #133 gmsc

Looks nice. Good job.

re: #146 iceweasel

I like it; it does look professional. IMO.

Thanks!

re: #144 van helsing

That math stuff is so HARD. Shouldn't there be prizes for getting, lik, addition right?!

Kidding. I like it.

Well, over in the Mental Gym (yet to be resdesigned, BTW) you do get testing and feedback. I'll have to see about the prizes, though.
;)

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

On a more serious note, I would increase the font size of links on the right if I were you. But of course, I have vision issues, so I am a bit biased in that regard.

I was wondering about that.

BTW, did you know that many browsers have a feature where if you hit alt + (or command + on a Mac), the site will be zoomed in, so you can see the detail better?

re: #149 laZardo

Ooooh, math challenges.

This should provide a healthy distraction from the...engineering mechanics math class...I'm...

oh.

/ 0:

At least mine is math challenges with an empahsis on fun.

re: #148 soxfan4life

Isn't it strange that President Obama's first major action as POTUS was to sign the equal pay for women bill into law, but he won't speak up for the oppressed women in the Middle East.

"Because that's their culture, and it's not in America's best interest to impose on that."

/channeling.

re: #153 laZardo

"Because that's their culture, and it's not in America's best interest to impose on that."

/channeling.

I'm sure there are penalties for paying attention to what the One says.

re: #154 Van Helsing

2% increase on tax for all carbon credits earned after the first 250K?

Oh [insert deity here]. Now I'll never be able to earn a vacation flight before I turn 30.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

re: #150 Silvergirl

I'm thinking you've probably read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Infidel. After I read that, it was hard, and still is, to be tolerant of Islam. The women of that religion have no choice but living in hopeless oppression.

I haven't read that yet; I'll add it to my list.
My earliest political interests were always about humans rights issues and especially women's rights, so I was aware in a vague way of the status of women under Islamic regimes long ago and followed it in reports from Amnesty International and the like, but without being aware of or knowing much about other politics.
I've still never even read Reading Lolita in Tehran.

re: #153 laZardo

"Because that's their culture, and it's not in America's best interest to impose on that."

/channeling.

He's in trouble with for the little he did say about Iran's election mess. Ahmadinejad is peeved, according to Fox:

"Mr. Obama made a mistake to say those things ... our question is why he fell into this trap and said things that previously (former U.S. President George W.) Bush used to say," the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Do you want to speak (with Iran) with this tone? If that is your stance then what is left to talk about," said Ahmadinejad. "I hope you avoid interfering in Iran's affairs and express your regret in a way that the Iranian nation is informed of it."

Morning Lizards.

re: #157 iceweasel

I've haven't read Reading Lolita in Tehran yet either.

re: #156 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

{lol} Good Morning

re: #148 soxfan4life

Isn't it strange that President Obama's first major action as POTUS was to sign the equal pay for women bill into law, but he won't speak up for the oppressed women in the Middle East.

Well, Charles did call him out for his very tepid statement about women and education in the Cairo speech.

I understand why Obama took the approach he did there. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

As usual, women's rights come last when dealing with oppressed peoples.

(Same thing happened within the US in the 19th century, when the burgeoning suffrage movement decided to throw themselves behind the abolitionist cause first).

re: #159 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Morning rs. :)

Erik! :-)

rightside! :-)

re: #163 Erik The Red

Hey Erik, the time draws near..

re: #156 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yeah! It's been a long time since I made it for fruitcup! Thanks littleoldlady!

Silvergirl, rushing greedily to the buffet

re: #164 littleoldlady

lol!

re: #156 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Tools Of Revolution

re: #151 gmsc

BTW, did you know that many browsers have a feature where if you hit alt + (or command + on a Mac), the site will be zoomed in, so you can see the detail better?

Yes sir, I do. It's actually "ctrl +" on the windows os. I use a few degrees of amplification here at LGF.

I suppose I could do the same with your site, but that's so much work. *whimper*
/

re: #156 littleoldlady

Thanks, {lol}! Sorry I'm late. I got sucked into research.

re: #156 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you, littleoldlady!

I'll take this as my reward for my hard work – my site design just went live about 30 minutes ago.
:)

re: #156 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

I'll take the fruitcup and run...

re: #172 Van Helsing

I'll take the fruitcup and run...

G'nite again, VH!
;)

re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth

Also, if you hold the ctrl key down, and move your mousewheel, it zooms in and out as well.

Silvergirl! :-)

Bon appetit!

Matrix! :-)

Should add fruitcup to that. ;-)

Sharmuta! :-)

Welcome back! :-)

gmsc! :-)

I SAW! Excellent!

re: #156 littleoldlady

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->

Am I perceiving a trend in your fruit cup recipes of late?

Van Helsing! :-)

Hiii!

/bye! :-)

re: #155 laZardo

2% increase on tax for all carbon credits earned after the first 250K?

Oh [insert deity here]. Now I'll never be able to earn a vacation flight before I turn 30.

Carbon credits...
Oh yeah, for sure insert your favorite deity here.
Cuz for sure someone will be inserting THEIR favorite deity elsewhere.

BOHICA.

Morning folks, coffee's almost ready...
Thanks for the fruitcup Lol...yum!

re: #176 freetoken

freetoken! :-)

Bourbon? AGAIN? That's reverting back to my misspent yut!

/good times...good times

srb! :-)

re: #165 rightside

Hey Erik, the time draws near..

8 days and counting. :)

re: #179 srb1976

morning srb!

re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes sir, I do. It's actually "ctrl +" on the windows os. I use a few degrees of amplification here at LGF.

I suppose I could do the same with your site, but that's so much work. *whimper*
/

Go to the site again (it's probably still in your browser's cache, so you may need to reload), and let me know what you think.

re: #176 freetoken

Am I perceiving a trend in your fruit cup recipes of late?

I'm telling you, that is Red Brand Fruitcup. And, FYI, that is his PG-13 version of the fruitcup. Get a hold of his R rated version, and you will perceive things far beyond the normal human senses.

re: #178 Van Helsing

You might as well pull an all-nighter.

Did Iran strike last night? That's where they need to take this protest.

re: #173 gmsc

G'nite again, VH!
;)

I know. I'm such a stay around s**t.
Really, no kidding, I be gone lest my lack of sleep result in a career limiting move.

I hate dealing with supply chain people...

"So it doesn't meet your spec. It's less expensive. what's the problem?

Oh the horror. I just heard Barney Frank hiding behind the Constitution...
Doom...

gmsc, I read your day in history post, and noticed the start of the Korean War in the list. So NKorea invaded South all those years ago, what 59? Who would have thought they'd be threatening Hawaii now? I haven't read anything on that in the past couple days. Are they still aiming for the 4th of July? Anyone know?

Coffee's ready...usually goes well with fruitcup, I don't know if it will work with booze today though = )

re: #184 gmsc

Easier to read, without being so big as to distract from the main posts. Very nice.

re: #186 Sharmuta

You might as well pull an all-nighter.

I've done that before and that didn't fire me for saying "these morons have submitted the same s**t 3 times now and you think that if we approve them they'll supply decent products in 20k+ range? Really?

I was a QA engineer in the dark ages. We had silly metrics that we used,

re: #191 Slumbering Behemoth

Easier to read, without being so big as to distract from the main posts. Very nice.

Strangely, I only increased the font size by 1 pixel, but it does make an amazingly huge difference!

BTW, thanks for suggesting I do that. It caused to go into the feed menus and remove a couple of feeds that I don't use anymore.

NBC’s Engel Compares Iran Govt Murder of Woman to Dubious Israeli Shooting of Mohammed al-Dura

re: #189 Silvergirl

gmsc, I read your day in history post, and noticed the start of the Korean War in the list. So NKorea invaded South all those years ago, what 59? Who would have thought they'd be threatening Hawaii now? I haven't read anything on that in the past couple days. Are they still aiming for the 4th of July? Anyone know?

Yep, 59 years later, and not a day wiser.

*sigh*

re: #175 littleoldlady

I'm not really back- I'm researching and keeping an eye on the thread. Trying to be in two places at the same time. I might need extra fruitcup to keep up my strength.

re: #193 gmsc

A small change can make a big difference where text is concerned. Many graphic designers spend large quantities of time studying "type" and it's varying effects.

Also, if my ocular-centric bitching lead you to find other areas which you could further refine, bonus. Silver lining in my "lousy eyesight" cloud.

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm telling you, that is Red Brand Fruitcup. And, FYI, that is his PG-13 version of the fruitcup. Get a hold of his R rated version, and you will perceive things far beyond the normal human senses.

I'll get to actually see Charles from all the way over here? Where can I get me some of that stuff!?

re: #193 gmsc

Am I remembering right...you got the new iPod touch right?
Better half got me one for anniversary, how are you liking yours?

re: #194 Rancher

NBC’s Engel Compares Iran Govt Murder of Woman to Dubious Israeli Shooting of Mohammed al-Dura

Mohammed al-Dura was killed by Israelis.

/now repeat it over, and over, and over, and over... >:c

Did anyone else see Nat'l geographic special on Iran and the west?
If so, what did you think?

re: #198 laZardo

Well, I don't know if you'll "see" Charles from over there, but you may "see" me.

Worse yet, I may see you.

/BWAHAHAHA!

re: #199 srb1976

Am I remembering right...you got the new iPod touch right?
Better half got me one for anniversary, how are you liking yours?

Yep!

It sure saved me plenty of frustration today. The buses to and from work were late, but playing with the iPod Touch sure helped relieve any stress. (Side note: I was dashing in the door from work and was literally seconds away from missing my Today in History post).

Best paid addition already? Air Sharing! Since there's no real way to just plug the iPod Touch in and download data, Air Sharing makes it as smooth as possible by letting you hook up your iPod as a wireless hard drive (see webDav for more details), and letting you view most standard formats of documents out there!

There's a more expensive version that does more, including letting you e-mail your documents, but I haven't found the need to warrant the extra investment.

re: #196 Sharmuta

Here you go... :-)

/just add bourbon...

re: #204 littleoldlady

Here you go... :-)

/just add bourbon...

/...and an umbrella

re: #203 gmsc

That looks cool, I haven't done a whole lot with mine yet (also a little scared to take it to work with me...harsh environment) but I have been overall really pleased with it.

(even if i did get it stuck on repeat by accident...took a minute to figure that one out...I was a little slow yesterday)

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I don't know if you'll "see" Charles from over there, but you may "see" me.

Worse yet, I may see you.

/BWAHAHAHA!

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/ :3

re: #207 laZardo

Damn, apparently this site is resistant to Zalgocode.

re: #207 laZardo

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Watch your language!

re: #208 laZardo

Damn, apparently this site is resistant to Zalgocode.

Part of it is that any messages with no spaces are broken up every 40 spaces, in order to prevent someone spilling messages over into the site borders.

re: #204 littleoldlady

Here you go... :-)

/just add bourbon...

You're the best. Thanks.

Too bad no one is cryin' for me to yell at to go get me the bourbon. ;)

re: #210 gmsc

Ah. 0:

re: #206 srb1976

That looks cool, I haven't done a whole lot with mine yet (also a little scared to take it to work with me...harsh environment) but I have been overall really pleased with it.

(even if i did get it stuck on repeat by accident...took a minute to figure that one out...I was a little slow yesterday)

One discovery - there are no great free Wifi spots in Las Vegas that are accessible when you're traveling on the strip. On the other hand, if you want to pay McDonald's prices for Wifi-access, you'll never be without it going down the strip.

Worst thing about being an Atlanta Braves fan?

...Jimmy fucking Carter is an Atlanta Braves fan.

Random Rant: Anyone who puts mayonnaise on a perfectly marinated and grilled Tri-Tip should be forced to watch this on a 24 hour loop, for at least three days.

WTF is wrong with people today?

re: #213 gmsc

I'm more amazed that you actually live in Vegas and spend time on the strip ( I think I went down there once in 5 years...just for my 21st birthday) = )

Class is over, gotta head home.

In the meantime, I give you...LIGHT!

re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth

You think that's bad...I've seen people put (shudder to think of it) Ketchup on a perfectly innocent ribeye too...horrible

re: #216 srb1976

I'm more amazed that you actually live in Vegas and spend time on the strip ( I think I went down there once in 5 years...just for my 21st birthday) = )

It's more like I go past the strip. It's the only bus ride that will get me home with 1 transfer.

Well, it's time for me to hit the hay.

Good night, all!

re: #220 gmsc

G'Night.

'Night, gmsc! :-)

I'm in distracted mode, so I guess I'd better say goodbye as well...

Good day, ALL!™

re: #220 gmsc

'Night gmsc...have a good one!

Ahmadinejad Tells Obama Not to Interfere in Iran, Seeks Public Apology
"Mr. Obama made a mistake to say those things ... our question is why he fell into this trap and said things that previously (former U.S. President George W.) Bush used to say," the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.
"Do you want to speak (with Iran) with this tone? If that is your stance then what is left to talk about," - Ahmadinejad

"0" has painted himself into a corner with his dialog diplomacy.
He set this up long ago by condemning Bush and saying he will sit down and talk with this tyrant.
Now what Mr "0"?

Ok, time head back to the salt mines! Have a great day everyone!

re: #218 srb1976

No doubt. As a dude, I have a handful of meals I take great pride in making because, with as much modesty as I can muster, they are better than deep-fried crack. My grilled Tri-Tip is one.

I have a few different rubs and marinades, just enough variety to switch it up here and there, and they all kick ass. Seriously, I am not a braggart. I loathe to brag. But I take pride in my grilled Tri-Tip, and how much it rocks. Seeing someone put mayonnaise on it... you may as well just spit in my face.

/I can also grill a Thanksgiving turkey that'll make you jump up from your chair, kick your grandma in the knee, and throw your oven in the dumpster, but I have done more bragging than I should tonight.

re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth

You might as well toot your own horn...no one is going to toot it for you = ).

(The tri tip sounds lovely by the way!)

re: #159 rightside

Good Morning Lizards.

re: #228 mamacares

morning mamacares.

re: #227 srb1976

You might as well toot your own horn...no one is going to toot it for you = )

If I could do that myself, I wouldn't be posting here. But, I hear there is a spot downtown where you can pay for that kind of thing.
/

(The tri tip sounds lovely by the way!)

Trial and error. I can do what I do because I screwed up a lot of tri-tips before.

re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth

Trial and error. I can do what I do because I screwed up a lot of tri-tips before.

Excuse my South African ignorance, but what is a tri-tip?

Who is this this Stephen Jay Gould character and how did he develop this great insight?

Our problem today is not so much between facts and theories
but rather all the lies flying about. We're not talking about little lies either. We're talking about big ones. Whoppers. Anthropogenic global warming and cooling, Ozone depletion, CO2 as a poison; all served up as frenzied justification for taking huge sums of money from the masses. They took freon away from us and replaced it with less effective coolant. The global warming scam has the potential of bankrupting an already destroyed economy, but the cap and tax marches on without debate.

Tweets this morining:

Un confirmed Thursday's freedom rally is @ 4:30pm from Vali-asr intersection to Enghelab sq. in Tehran

Protester on Mousavi's absence: 'things have chgd a lot in last few days, we're doing this on our own'

Protester: 'dr's fighting off basij so they can treat the wounded'

State Dept says "interested in substantive dialogue w Iran on important issues; Iran has not responded to any communications"

Govt. cracked down HARD today. With force, arrests and pr campaign. Only very determined will protest tomorrow.6-24-arrest

After repeated visits by Zaboli's family to Evin & Revolutionary court they've been told he's in Evin.

Mohammad Mehdi Zaboli, Hamshahri-Javan photographer who was arrested in hospital is now in Evin.

Thugs were setting fire on trees of the streets of ShahrakGharb from which AllahAkbar was shouted.

Tonight in Shahrak-e-Gharb while people were chanting from rooftops, plain cloths put trees on fire.

Reports: 1 shotdead and more than 20 injured at Baharestan SQ. (not conf.)

just heard disturbing news of 22-yr-old in Mashad shot dead while chanting allahu akbar on roof. unconf, tho from trusted srce

e-source: Allahu Akbars start with deafening intensity.

Allah Akbar call in Tehran and other cities begins. Tonight is just like the previous.

Actually, Ahmadinejad did respond, with a hearty "Fuck you Obama!"

re: #231 Erik The Red

It would seem it is a thing that started in California. Here's a link.

What you can't see it those photos is the gorgeous marbling of fat in that cut of meat. A thing of beauty, I tell you.

11.01am:

There is an interesting line coming out AP on Mousavi. His website says he is coming under pressure to withdraw his election challenge it says.

One of the other defeated candidates Mohsen Rezai, was reported to have withdrawn his complaint about the election yesterday (although there is no some doubt about where Rezai now stands - a Farsi speaking contact has emailed this link to BBC Persian service, which apparently says that Rezai has threatened to release document unless the guardian council withdraws the claim).

The Guardian's former Tehran correspondent, Robert Tait, says there are suggestions that Mousavi is under house arrest. He says this is something that has been rumoured at various points during this crisis. It has re-surfaced again this time in Goya News, which cites a "reliable source".

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

It would seem it is a thing that started in California. Here's a link.

What you can't see it those photos is the gorgeous marbling of fat in that cut of meat. A thing of beauty, I tell you.

That's a new one for me too. I've eaten those things (Yummy) but never heard them called tri-tip.

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

It would seem it is a thing that started in California.

Upon further reading, it would seem grilling or roasting it whole is something that CA can not claim as it's own.

re: #236 UncleRancher

What do they call it in your neck of the woods?

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

What do they call it in your neck of the woods?

Chili.

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

What do they call it in your neck of the woods?

Loin, or loin end. There isn't any way I know of to ruin that cut of meat unless you burn it.

Morning, y'all.

I got a surprise last night. Nephews that I haven't seen in almost twenty years called and asked if they could come an visit today. Lost contact with them after their mom divorced my brother and moved them back to Kokomo.

Be nice to see them, I guess. We have a couple of big beef roasts that we generally save for company, since it's too much for just the two of us, but one of the boys said he's been missing venison since his momma moved him up North, and he'd sure like to have some.

I'm torn. I like to make my guests happy, but I'd hate to waste venison on kinfolk that I don't know anymore. It's not like beef, that you can just wander into the grocery and buy it.

re: #239 razorbacker

Chili?

re: #240 UncleRancher

Loin, or loin end. There isn't any way I know of to ruin that cut of meat unless you burn it.

Indeed. It is an inexpensive cut of meat that is easy to cook. Just about anyone can make it taste good. I can make it taste great.

/braggart off

re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth

I love it as chili meat. Makes primo stuff.

Center for Research in Applied Phrenology, or CRAP.

re: #243 razorbacker

I love it as chili meat. Makes primo stuff.

Eaaayaarrhh! Why must you do that too me? I already have enough ways to cook it, why must you dangle another tasty possibility before me you cruel, cruel person?

/got a recipe to share?

re: #245 Slumbering Behemoth

/got a recipe to share?

Maybe next time, Razor. It's well past my bedtime. I need to headbutt a pillow.

Later Lizards.

Article this morning about more bodies being pulled out of the water from the Air France disaster.

This may sound a bit morbid for breakfast talk...but...uh...

Ain't there fish out there that eat anything that doesn't move? It's been weeks, I would imagine that anything out there would have been eaten a week ago.

re: #241 razorbacker

Morning, y'all.

I got a surprise last night. Nephews that I haven't seen in almost twenty years called and asked if they could come an visit today. Lost contact with them after their mom divorced my brother and moved them back to Kokomo.

Be nice to see them, I guess. We have a couple of big beef roasts that we generally save for company, since it's too much for just the two of us, but one of the boys said he's been missing venison since his momma moved him up North, and he'd sure like to have some.

I'm torn. I like to make my guests happy, but I'd hate to waste venison on kinfolk that I don't know anymore. It's not like beef, that you can just wander into the grocery and buy it.

You can't just go out in your backyard and shoot one? This is the best time of the year to shoot a buck before they go into the rut.

re: #245 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't have a secret recipe, I just cook cube it up, brown it a bit, then slow cook it over low, low heat until the smell draws you in. It's a good cut, so it won't be stringy or tough.

As far as the spices involved, well...if your momma and daddy didn't tell you, I'm sure that they had their reasons;)

Later lizards. I got to go water the tomato patch. They're going to be worth ten bucks a piece shortly.

re: #248 soxfan4life

You can't just go out in your backyard and shoot one? This is the best time of the year to shoot a buck before they go into the rut.

I've become plumb womanish in my old age. I have not the heart to shoot, skin and gut one, then sit down to a meal of it.

Besides, I soak them for three days in salted-down ice to remove most of the blood. That may be the only thing left of my long-lost religious training.

re: #250 UncleRancher

The wife-woman came proudly bearing some Bradley County Pinks last week that she'd paid $1.07 apiece for at a roadside stand.

That ain't $10, but I was satisfied that she'd paid enough.