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1 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:19:43pm

Nissei it ain't so, Michelle.

2 JustABill  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:20:06pm

Ooo, can we talk about IBM and the Nazis now?

3 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:21:09pm

I don't get this. Is this legitimate, or 'black helicopter'? I am falling into the 'black helicopter' at this point, but that's just me...

4 Ron Bacardi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:21:10pm

Oh Lord....

5 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:21:15pm

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

6 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:21:24pm

re: #1 Occasional Reader

NIssei it ain't so, Michelle.

/dang

7 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:21:43pm

re: #5 Charles

Heh, good point.

8 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:22:03pm

Funny, didn't her argument before have something to do with Acorn?
Silly Wabbit!

9 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:22:35pm

Does anyone actually know what the Census form will ask?
# of people in the house hold is all there getting from me!
Which at present stands at............33.....oh! make that 37...
The cat just had a litter......

10 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:07pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

That's not fair at all. Especially since it was instituted under a Democratic Administration.

11 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:15pm

re: #5 Charles

I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

Personally, I'm in favor of finding a cute Japanese intern.

12 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:19pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

True, but it was the left that did it, yes?

13 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:21pm

WTF is she smoking?

14 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:38pm

She's nuts.

Here's a suggestion. Don't fill out the form.

15 Silvergirl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:08pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

Now that would be really hard right, wouldn't it?

16 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:12pm

re: #12 Desert Dog

True, but it was the left that did it, yes?

Well a democrat

17 Ron Bacardi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:21pm

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Heyohhhhh!

18 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:35pm

0bama is going to round up Japanese Americans?

19 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:38pm

re: #9 reloadingisnotahobby

Does anyone actually know what the Census form will ask?
# of people in the house hold is all there getting from me!
Which at present stands at............33.....oh! make that 37...
The cat just had a litter......

Apparently, it will ask if you are an agent of the Japanese Empire of the Sun.

/

20 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:57pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

0bama is going to round up Japanese Americans?

don't start any rumors, now!

21 JustABill  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:58pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

well, not now...

22 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:04pm

re: #13 Sharmuta

WTF is she smoking?

Don't know if she's smoking it. More likely she has gone all the way to mainlining the craziness.

23 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:10pm
24 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:14pm

So they're pulling the black helicopters out of mothballs?

25 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:14pm

Thats just plain silly

26 Silvergirl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:16pm

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Personally, I'm in favor of finding a cute Japanese intern.

Oh you're just following your theme today of farting, belching, and smashing beer bottles. :-)

27 ckb  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:21pm

I think it's a good example of how census data can be used in ways it was not intended to be used.

I hope it's completely irrelevant, but how can we be sure?

28 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:30pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

I don't know of anyone who believes the internment of the Japanese was a good idea.

29 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:30pm

re: #14 JammieWearingFool

She's nuts.

Here's a suggestion. Don't fill out the form.

Just enter "Martian" in the race category?

30 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:30pm

It's interesting that ACORN & democrats are out trying to convince all illegal immigrants to stand up & be counted in the census.

Redistricting based on formerly unaccounted for non-nationals is a great idea, and bailout funds will be alloted differently, all right.

World Can't Wait.

31 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:31pm

re: #19 Desert Dog

Good!
I thought it would be tougher...........
/ and YES I am!

32 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:39pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

You are soooo not alone.

I recoiled when Michelle Malkin wrote In Defense of Internment.

33 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:26:02pm

re: #14 JammieWearingFool

She's nuts.

Here's a suggestion. Don't fill out the form.

I filled out the form and sent it in from the last census, and apparently it got lost along the way (probably stuck in some bin somewhere collecting dust now). I ended up getting called by the census people repeatedly because they hadn't received it. So, can't say ignoring it will work, because I didn't, and they still pestered me.

34 Tatterdemalian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:26:06pm

re: #5 Charles

Well, we did win that war. The internment may not have helped all that much, but considering our lackluster performance in every other war since then (even the Cold War, as it seems Putin is doing his damndest to revive the Soviets), it's almost certain that it didn't hurt.

Tolerating treason makes wars more difficult, and sometimes even costs you victory. Who knew?

35 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:26:33pm

I could see taking a stand against 0bama's politicization of the census, but not the census itself.

36 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:26:42pm

re: #26 Silvergirl

Oh you're just following your theme today of farting, belching, and smashing beer bottles. :-)


What's your point?
/

37 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:07pm

She's gone Paulian.

38 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:07pm

re: #32 Dianna

You are soooo not alone.

I recoiled when Michelle Malkin wrote In Defense of Internment.

But, did you read it?

39 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:16pm

re: #23 Charles

Ah. Same wavelength, faster typing, better linkage.

*sigh*

40 MJ  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:18pm
...In 1993, Bachmann joined with other parents in Stillwater to open New Heights Charter School. The oversight of New Heights soon encountered problems when a concerned group of parents and the school district questioned if money from public tax dollars was going towards inserting Christianity into the curriculum. One such parent, Denise Stephens, charges the board of directors of the school (which included Bachmann) with trying to set up classes on Creationism and advocating that "something called '12 Christian principles' be taught, very much like the 10 Commandments." According to Stephens, school officials also refused to allow the in-school screening of the Disney film Aladdin, feeling that it endorsed witchcraft and promoted paganism. Along with other directors, Bachmann appeared before the Stillwater School Board to address the parents' concerns. Bachmann stated, "Are you going to question my integrity?" As the meeting continued, Bachmann and four members of her board resigned...


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

41 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:20pm

Now: I do remember that back in high school when we studied the whole Japanese internment issue, the question of "was there any solid information that there WAS widespread subversive activity among the Issei/Nikkei population?" never even came up. Which is interesting.

There is nothing "racist" or "xenophobic" in suggesting that people who were, for the most part, economic immigrants, would feel highly conflicted - at least, a substantial number of them - when Total War broke out between their homeland and their adopted country.

42 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:32pm

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Personally, I'm in favor of finding a cute Japanese intern.

* * * *
Hillary Clinton brought back that cute half Japanese Iranian woman, Roxana Saberi, from Tehran recently.

If you save one half Iranian from the mullahs, you've saved the world. (Like that inanity about it takes a village?)

43 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:51pm

What's with the tag "Loopy"? You know I'm gonna be looking for this under "Kooks".

44 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:09pm

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Personally, I'm in favor of finding a cute Japanese intern.

Lewinski-san?

45 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:14pm

re: #23 Charles

In Defense of Internment: The World War II Round-Up and What It Means For America's War on Terror: Michelle Malkin.

One author writes a book, which defends what a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION, did under difficult crimcumstances in a era not 60 years ago and you try to use that to smear what ever you consider the "Hard Right". Sorry You can and have done better than that. Your reaching.

46 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:16pm

re: #28 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't know of anyone who believes the internment of the Japanese was a good idea.

Michelle Malkin.

I find that it was extraordinarily unjust.

47 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:30pm

re: #38 Desert Dog

But, did you read it?

I did.

I disagreed.

48 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #37 Sharmuta

She's gone Paulian.

Shhhhh! You'll incur the wrath of the Tea Partiers.

49 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:41pm

re: #35 Ward Cleaver

I could see taking a stand against 0bama's politicization of the census, but not the census itself.

Agreed. The census by itself is a useful tool. Attempting to use it as a political club to beat the opposition is at least unethical if not criminal.

50 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:08pm

So that's why the new census form says:

Religion:
_Muslim
_Dhimmi Christian
_Son of Pigs and Monkeys*
_Infidel atheist
_Other *

* If you checked one of the starred items, please report to your community organizer within 7 days.

////DO I NEED TO SAY THIS IS SARC?

51 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:30pm

Hey, Bachmann?

Hat tip to Charles.

NOT SAFE FOR EPILEPTICS.

52 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:38pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

0bama is going to round up Japanese Americans?

He's going to round down Caucasian Americans. Overall it will give the appearance that we are more diverse, and diversity is good.

53 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:50pm

I'm off to treat a patient.

54 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:52pm

re: #41 Occasional Reader

Right ....But now we have little Islamvilles poping up,and making
that Automatic gunfire noise.....Nothing to worry about I'm sure!
/

55 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:56pm

re: #35 Ward Cleaver

I could see taking a stand against 0bama's politicization of the census, but not the census itself.

I especially don't want ACORN anywhere near apportionment of congressional seats.

56 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:30:01pm

The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.

The actor Jack Soo, that played in Barney Miller, was born Jack Suzuki, but changed his name to the Chinese-sounding Soo, to avoid the scrutiny given to Japanese-Americans.

57 Silvergirl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:30:17pm

re: #51 MandyManners

Hey, Bachmann?

Hat tip to Charles.

NOT SAFE FOR EPILEPTICS.

I hate that thing. It's more than annoying! Cease and desist, I say!

58 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:30:22pm

re: #24 Ward Cleaver

So they're pulling the black helicopters out of mothballs?

No, but
On desolate sidings the poppies entwine
With cattle trucks lying in wait for the next time
---Your Possible Pasts; Pink Floyd

59 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:31:16pm

re: #34 Tatterdemalian

Well, we did win that war. The internment may not have helped all that much, but considering our lackluster performance in every other war since then (even the Cold War, as it seems Putin is doing his damndest to revive the Soviets), it's almost certain that it didn't hurt.

Tolerating treason makes wars more difficult, and sometimes even costs you victory. Who knew?

Ahem?

Korea?

And, btw, the American citizens of Japanese descent whose property was (essentially) stolen, and who were interned were not traitors.

Now, if you want to talk about the number of American citizens of German descent who actually did spy for the Reich?

60 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:31:22pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

She thinks she can wield and flaunt the law as she so chooses. That's a dangerous mindset. She's a congresswoman. If she thinks the laws and regulations involving the census need correcting, she should propose legislation.

61 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:31:41pm

re: #29 Desert Dog

Just enter "Martian" in the race category?

How about "NASCAR" for "Race"?

62 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:31:51pm

re: #42 alegrias

Hillary Clinton brought back that cute half Japanese Iranian woman, Roxana Saberi, from Tehran recently.

Hillary has good taste. Roxana is ravishing.

63 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:07pm

Dingbat...

64 SummerSong  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:23pm

OT - Fox News set for best year yet.
Viewership solid as rivals take post-election hits.


[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]

65 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:30pm

re: #45 Nevergiveup

One author writes a book, which defends what a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION, did under difficult crimcumstances in a era not 60 years ago and you try to use that to smear what ever you consider the "Hard Right". Sorry You can and have done better than that. Your reaching.

Are you challenging Killgore to spend all his time over the coming weeks to find another conservative who holds a similar position?

66 Pianobuff  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:34pm

re: #56 Ward Cleaver

The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.

The actor Jack Soo, that played in Barney Miller, was born Jack Suzuki, but changed his name to the Chinese-sounding Soo, to avoid the scrutiny given to Japanese-Americans.

My wife is happa haole and her grandmother had 4 boys. The two pre-1941 boys: Japanese first names; the two post-1941 boys: Anglo names.

67 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:42pm

I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but my understanding of the census is to "enumerate" for the purpose of apportioning representation in the House. Here's the text:

The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

I have absolutely no problem with that, but for the life of me can't quite grasp the value of knowing how many toilets I have when it comes to apportioning representation.

(Unless Congress wants to know how many ways I have to flush the crap they send out.)

68 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:12pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

She thinks she can wield and flaunt the law as she so chooses. That's a dangerous mindset. She's a congresswoman. If she thinks the laws and regulations involving the census need correcting, she should propose legislation.

That's why one does all one can to get into congress...
/

69 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:12pm

re: #34 Tatterdemalian

but considering our lackluster performance in every other war since then

'scuse me?

70 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:21pm

re: #50 Kosh's Shadow

So that's why the new census form says:

Religion:
_Muslim
_Dhimmi Christian
_Son of Pigs and Monkeys*
_Infidel atheist
_Other *

* If you checked one of the starred items, please report to your community organizer within 7 days.

////DO I NEED TO SAY THIS IS SARC?

I can put five rounds on "Other *" from my front step while the ACORN worker is still on the sidewalk.

////////////////////

71 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:25pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Shhhhh! You'll incur the wrath of the Tea Partiers.

No, she won't.

But that remark...is pushing at my temper, quite unnecessarily.

72 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:37pm
73 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:42pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

She thinks she can wield and flaunt the law as she so chooses. That's a dangerous mindset. She's a congresswoman. If she thinks the laws and regulations involving the census need correcting, she should propose legislation.

* * * *
Democrats control the House & Senate, so GOP folks are unable to enact good, bad or indifferent legislation at present.

74 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:53pm

How do they plan to build an internment camp for Lizards? Chicken wire? Fuck it, we're outta here.

75 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:56pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

It's the kind of thing some people see as patriotic these days. When that stupid actor went of Glenn Beck's show and said he wasn't going to pay his taxes people loved it. Anti-government militias are now seen as mainstream patriots. There's a whole lot of crazy going around these days. I see it as anti-American but others see it as patriotic duty.

76 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:58pm

re: #55 jcm

I especially don't want ACORN anywhere near apportionment of congressional seats.

They already are....

77 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:34:05pm

re: #51 MandyManners

Hey, Bachmann?

Hat tip to Charles.

NOT SAFE FOR EPILEPTICS.

No kidding, it almost gave me a seizure, and I'm not epileptic.

78 calcajun  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:34:06pm

Let's play "Spot the Loony".

I went round and round with a friend who is becoming for the first time, shall we say, politically aware. He is convinced that because of their passion, the nirthers are on to something. I had to explain that just because you feel strongly about something does not mean you're right. For his education, he is reading books by pundits--not history. I prevailed on him that the pundit literature is little more than 300-page editorials and that he read more early history of this country--that will help him put things in a better perspective.

79 Right mind left  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:34:31pm

re: #9 reloadingisnotahobby

Does anyone actually know what the Census form will ask?
# of people in the house hold is all there getting from me!
Which at present stands at............33.....oh! make that 37...
The cat just had a litter......

There is a PDF sample of the long form but also this article claims the intent 2010 is to use the short form, only there is heated debate about what will go into the form. I don't think it is decided quite yet:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

80 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:07pm

re: #59 Dianna

Now, if you want to talk about the number of American citizens of German descent who actually did spy for the Reich?

Quite a lot of German-Americans WERE, in fact, "rounded up"; they just weren't interned all together in as dramatic a fashion as the Japanese-Americans were.

81 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:30pm

re: #67 subsailor68

The number of toilets is an indicator of wealth!
I have 10 aces on the mountian and can piss on
every square inch!
I hope they don't expect ME to do the math!
LOL

82 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:37pm

re: #61 Kosh's Shadow

How about "NASCAR" for "Race"?

I think I'll put "rather slow, but I get there eventually."

83 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:53pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

Hillary has good taste. Roxana is ravishing.

* * * *
Very generous of Hillary Clinton & Pres. Obama to go to bat for ONE half-Iranian person and let millions suffer.

Paraphrasing Stalin, one person's problem is a tragedy, a million people's problems are just statistics.

84 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:59pm

She's clearly taken leave of her census.

85 SFGoth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:34pm

Just you wait until you're asked whether you have firearms, how many, what type, what room they're kept in....

86 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:38pm

re: #82 doppelganglander

I think I'll put "rather slow, but I get there eventually."

Thank you, Mrs. Tortoise.

87 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:38pm

re: #65 unrealizedviewpoint

Are you challenging Killgore to spend all his time over the coming weeks to find another conservative who holds a similar position?

He won't have trouble doing so. He'll just cite websites Charles doesn't allow links to. And - while it's an interesting exercise - it will infuriate those of us who don't think that's all that useful.

88 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:41pm

re: #81 reloadingisnotahobby

The number of toilets is an indicator of wealth!
I have 10 aces on the mountian and can piss on
every square inch!
I hope they don't expect ME to do the math!
LOL

Well, I'm not visiting you anytime soon...

/;-P

89 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:58pm

re: #81 reloadingisnotahobby

The number of toilets is an indicator of wealth!
I have 10 aces on the mountian and can piss on
every square inch!
I hope they don't expect ME to do the math!
LOL

Love it! So, "low flow" refers to pissin' near the bottom of the mountain?

;-)

90 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:11pm

re: #41 Occasional Reader

Now: I do remember that back in high school when we studied the whole Japanese internment issue, the question of "was there any solid information that there WAS widespread subversive activity among the Issei/Nikkei population?" never even came up. Which is interesting.

There is nothing "racist" or "xenophobic" in suggesting that people who were, for the most part, economic immigrants, would feel highly conflicted - at least, a substantial number of them - when Total War broke out between their homeland and their adopted country.

I am not one that condones what was done to ethnic Japanese on the west coast during the war, but unlike today where assimilation is quite common with Americans of Japanese decent (any decent these days), it was not very common back then. Japanese culture used terms like Issei/Nikkei to denote standing in Japanese society, not American society. I think in hindsight, the entire thing was done out of hysteria and paranoia, not for a good reason.

Michele Malkin's book is not as bad as it might seem. She does lay out a case, but I feel it falls short. I think her reasoning is tempered with what the Japanese did in the Philippines during the war as well. That was 1000x worse than what was done to ethnic Japanese here during the war. But, the internment was wrong and should not have been done, there is no way to get around that.

91 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:14pm

Way OT, but . . . : Europeans: Gilad Shalit transfer to Egypt imminent

European diplomatic sources said Thursday that kidnapped Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit will be transferred to Egypt in the coming hours or coming days.

This information has yet to be confirmed by Israeli officials.

92 Tatterdemalian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:36pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not just useful, but downright vital to the statistical checks and balances that prevent our voting process from degenerating into an Iranian-style farce. It would be like trying to balance a thousand-page accounting ledger without using subtotals... if there was an error somewhere, odds are you'd never catch it.

93 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:38pm

re: #80 Occasional Reader

Quite a lot of German-Americans WERE, in fact, "rounded up"; they just weren't interned all together in as dramatic a fashion as the Japanese-Americans were.

The German-American Bund had a really appalling level of overt action on behalf of Germany.

94 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:42pm

re: #85 SFGoth

Just you wait until you're asked whether you have firearms, how many, what type, what room they're kept in....

Who me? We have no firearms at all sir.
/while looking up, to the left

95 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:55pm

re: #70 jcm

I can put five rounds on "Other *" from my front step while the ACORN worker is still on the sidewalk.

////////////////////

"So... I'll take that as a 'yes' for 'Do you have any firearms in the house?'."

96 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:03pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

She thinks she can wield and flaunt the law as she so chooses. That's a dangerous mindset. She's a congresswoman. If she thinks the laws and regulations involving the census need correcting, she should propose legislation.

She can flaunt the laws, that's her right, and if that effects her career, then she will suffer the results.

In the video, she says that she does not suggest that anyone else follows her lead. She made that clear.

And yes, her connecting the census with the interment is why over the top, we could have rounded up anyone we wanted, in any fashion, census or no census.

But, your term "dangerous," is hyperbole, plain and simple. This is a census we are talking about, not treason.

And an honest question to you. Have you read ALL the question on the upcoming census form, and if you have, do you intend to answer each one of them, and honestly?

97 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:05pm

re: #66 Pianobuff

My wife is happa haole and her grandmother had 4 boys. The two pre-1941 boys: Japanese first names; the two post-1941 boys: Anglo names.

* * * *
pre 1941: kindergarten
post 1941: preschool

pre 1941: frankfurters on rolls
post 1941: hot dogs

98 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:10pm

re: #81 reloadingisnotahobby

The number of toilets is an indicator of wealth!
I have 10 aces on the mountian and can piss on
every square inch!
I hope they don't expect ME to do the math!
LOL

Kid, is that you?

99 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:21pm

re: #84 Conservative Moonbat

She's clearly taken leave of her census.

Oh, well done!

100 SFGoth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:35pm

re: #91 Creeping Eruption

Way OT, but . . . : Europeans: Gilad Shalit transfer to Egypt imminent

If I'm Shalit, and I'm not permanently crippled, the first thing I do is beat the shit out of Olmert.

101 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:36pm

re: #88 jcm

I said I can not that I do!
Silly JCM! Your welcome any time We have an outhouse!

102 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:56pm

re: #84 Conservative Moonbat

She's clearly taken leave of her census.

Rotating!

103 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:58pm

re: #56 Ward Cleaver

The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.

The actor Jack Soo, that played in Barney Miller, was born Jack Suzuki, but changed his name to the Chinese-sounding Soo, to avoid the scrutiny given to Japanese-Americans.

There is no doubt that racism played a large part in the internments and that is something that cannot be explained away. However, It was a different time and it was a scary time though.

104 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:04pm

re: #61 Kosh's Shadow

How about "NASCAR" for "Race"?

A caucasian by any other name still acts white. /

105 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:04pm

re: #91 Creeping Eruption

Way OT, but . . . : Europeans: Gilad Shalit transfer to Egypt imminent

Wow. I hope it's true.

At the same time, I hope nothing stupid or dishonorable was done to secure his release.

106 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:05pm

re: #78 calcajun

Let's play "Spot the Loony".

I went round and round with a friend who is becoming for the first time, shall we say, politically aware. He is convinced that because of their passion, the nirthers are on to something. I had to explain that just because you feel strongly about something does not mean you're right. For his education, he is reading books by pundits--not history. I prevailed on him that the pundit literature is little more than 300-page editorials and that he read more early history of this country--that will help him put things in a better perspective.

When someone like that says they admire a person for the sincerity of their beliefs, you can try my daughter's favorite response: Hitler was very sincere about his beliefs, too.

/sorry to Godwin the thread so early.

107 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:06pm

re: #87 Dianna

Yeah, this stuff has been big with the Paulians, Alex Jones, New World Order types for years. It's not difficult to find.

108 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:11pm

re: #67 subsailor68

I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but my understanding of the census is to "enumerate" for the purpose of apportioning representation in the House. Here's the text:

The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

I have absolutely no problem with that, but for the life of me can't quite grasp the value of knowing how many toilets I have when it comes to apportioning representation.

(Unless Congress wants to know how many ways I have to flush the crap they send out.)

2000 I got the long form, filled out address and how many people in the house. Sent it in. Some months later got the census worker showed up to get the rest of the info. Told him get a subpoena. He sputtered for a bit and left, never heard another thing.

109 Pianobuff  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:15pm

re: #97 alegrias

* * * *
pre 1941: kindergarten
post 1941: preschool

pre 1941: frankfurters on rolls
post 1941: hot dogs

As Johnny Carson would say...."I did not know that".

Thanks for some enlightenment today!

110 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:43pm

I think many of you are being a tad myopic, if that's the correct word. It's real easy to criticize what a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION did close to 70 years ago after this country was plunged into a World War who's outcome was anything but certain. I believe that is how Michelle Malkin addressed the issue if I remember the reviews correctly. I have not had the chance to read the book. Yes today many or most of us would not choose to react the same way that ROOSEVELT did, but that is NOT the issue. Charles and many of you here think Bachman is a lunatic who deserves your derision and contempt. Yet because she raises the bullshit issue of the Japanese Internment in relation to the census, you all jump on the bandwagon? Be a little consistent please.

111 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:56pm

re: #105 Occasional Reader

Wow. I hope it's true.

At the same time, I hope nothing stupid or dishonorable was done to secure his release.

The article seems to claim he is a "down payment" on a deal amongst the palis themselves, but I echo your sentiment wholeheartedly.

112 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:09pm

re: #79 Right mind left

There is a PDF sample of the long form but also this article claims the intent 2010 is to use the short form, only there is heated debate about what will go into the form. I don't think it is decided quite yet:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Here's a workable form that follows the Constitutional requirement for enumeration.

1. How many American Citizens reside at this address? ___

That about covers it.

113 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:18pm

re: #89 subsailor68

Love it! So, "low flow" refers to pissin' near the bottom of the mountain?

;-)


114 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:25pm

re: #87 Dianna

He won't have trouble doing so. He'll just cite websites Charles doesn't allow links to. And - while it's an interesting exercise - it will infuriate those of us who don't think that's all that useful.


...or if you do stump him he will just down ding you and stop responding.

115 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:31pm
116 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:33pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

She thinks she can wield and flaunt flout the law as she so chooses.

[Pet peeve No. 337,452]

117 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:43pm

re: #95 Occasional Reader

"So... I'll take that as a 'yes' for 'Do you have any firearms in the house?'."

Oh, they want a sample of each one?

/////////////

118 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #105 Occasional Reader

Wow. I hope it's true.

At the same time, I hope nothing stupid or dishonorable was done to secure his release.

Raises the question of ransom or release? They are not giving him up out of the goodness of their hearts.

119 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #103 Desert Dog

There is no doubt that racism played a large part in the internments and that is something that cannot be explained away. However, It was a different time and it was a scary time though.

Pre-Dec 7, there was a joke going around in Hawaii, in which an American asks her Japanese-American maid "If Japan attacks, are you going to kill me?"
"No, I kill Mrs. Johnson. Mrs. Johnson's maid kill you."

120 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:54pm

re: #108 jcm

2000 I got the long form, filled out address and how many people in the house. Sent it in. Some months later got the census worker showed up to get the rest of the info. Told him get a subpoena. He sputtered for a bit and left, never heard another thing.

I salute you for that. (Not a lawyer either, but it seems to me you met the requirement set out in the Constitution. Probably why they never got back to ya.)

121 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:41:14pm

re: #110 Nevergiveup

you all jump on the bandwagon

You know there is no bandwagon here.

122 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:41:39pm

re: #97 alegrias

* * * *
pre 1941: kindergarten
post 1941: preschool

Hey, I attended "kindergarten", and I'm definitely not THAT old.

123 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:42:08pm

re: #110 Nevergiveup

I think many of you are being a tad myopic, if that's the correct word. It's real easy to criticize what a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION did close to 70 years ago after this country was plunged into a World War who's outcome was anything but certain. I believe that is how Michelle Malkin addressed the issue if I remember the reviews correctly. I have not had the chance to read the book. Yes today many or most of us would not choose to react the same way that ROOSEVELT did, but that is NOT the issue. Charles and many of you here think Bachman is a lunatic who deserves your derision and contempt. Yet because she raises the bullshit issue of the Japanese Internment in relation to the census, you all jump on the bandwagon? Be a little consistent please.

Yes, it appears that there is some seething and outraged about Bachmann.

124 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:42:45pm

re: #115 taxfreekiller

if a Democrat leaders should ever ask one of the loon liberals to lean over and count the hairs on their ass hole for the government good. ,, done!

Dingleberry picking
/hmmm

125 Right mind left  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:42:58pm

re: #112 CyanSnowHawk

Here's a workable form that follows the Constitutional requirement for enumeration.

1. How many American Citizens reside at this address? ___

That about covers it.

Absolutely, but you know in this Administration that will be highly unlikely...I expect them to come out with a 100 page census and say "This IS the SHORT form!" with 50 of those pages being legalese on why the other 50 must be completed entirely, with photos and videos expected of all...

///worst nightmare

126 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:05pm

*cuckoo clock sound effect*

127 Tatterdemalian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:13pm

re: #59 Dianna

Ahem?

Korea?


What of it? You think ending up with a power-mad nutcase ruling over a wasteland of his own making threatening Hawaii with nukes counts as a victory? I don't see half of Japan doing that.


And, btw, the American citizens of Japanese descent whose property was (essentially) stolen, and who were interned were not traitors.

Now, if you want to talk about the number of American citizens of German descent who actually did spy for the Reich?

Can you be sure? Even if you could, FDR very likely couldn't, and he at least didn't take that chance with the survival of the US on the line.

128 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:26pm

Meanwhile, my thoughts on why so many male politicians cheat on their wives.

It's simple. They can only marry women who are idiotic enough to want to be the wives of politicians.

Stupid gets boring. You'd cheat, too.

Unfortunately Sanford didn't have much better luck with his GF. Sample steamy email:

"...in the afternoon I sunbathe and read on the beach. I've started here 'The age of turbulence' from Alan Greenspan which I highly recomend you."

Phew. Now old Cato's all hot and bothered.

129 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:31pm

re: #108 jcm

Or " get th Fu$# of my property.........
Actually they're just doing a part time gig so I wouldn't be crass or rude.
They won't get past the dog anyway...He HATES Census people!

130 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:42pm

re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's just plain scary!

:-)

131 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:56pm

re: #56 Ward Cleaver

The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.The actor Jack Soo, that played in Barney Miller, was born Jack Suzuki, but changed his name to the Chinese-sounding Soo, to avoid the scrutiny given to Japanese-Americans.

Actually, some were, I think.

Internment, however, was never limited to those who had been to Japan, but "included a smaller number of German and Italian enemy aliens suspected of disloyalty."[17] By February, "Earl Warren, at the time Attorney General of California, and U.S. Webb, a former Attorney General, were vigorously seeking to persuade the federal government to remove all ethnic Japanese from the west coast."[17]

With these things, it's always important to take into consideration the context. We look back in horror at a lot of things - but I think there was actually evidence of Japanese espionage. In fact, I think someone was arrested here in Seattle for signaling someone off the coast with the headlights of their car...I'd have to look that one up to be sure. FDR probably overreacted, but it's not that there wasn't anything at all going on to provoke it.

132 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:00pm

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

But, your term "dangerous," is hyperbole, plain and simple. This is a census we are talking about, not treason.

No- it's not hyperbole to call it dangerous when this mindset is meant to undermine the rule of law.

133 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:02pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

We changed our mind.

/Besides, Roosevelt was a Dem.

/

134 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:03pm

re: #125 Right mind left

Absolutely, but you know in this Administration that will be highly unlikely...I expect them to come out with a 100 page census and say "This IS the SHORT form!" with 50 of those pages being legalese on why the other 50 must be completed entirely, with photos and videos expected of all...

///worst nightmare

And 8 x 10 color glossies with a sticker on the back tellin' what each one was?

135 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:17pm

re: #122 Occasional Reader

Hey, I attended "kindergarten", and I'm definitely not THAT old.

* * ***
Verrrrry interesting, Herr O.R.! Ve have vays to find out vhy you vere in a German sounding institution.

136 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:20pm

re: #112 CyanSnowHawk

Here's a workable form that follows the Constitutional requirement for enumeration.

1. How many American Citizens reside at this address? ___

That about covers it.

Demographics are important on many levels. It's nice to know who is here, etc, etc. Unfortunately, the many of the results of this census will be used for political gains and as a redistricting guide for one particular political party (the one that rhymes with moonbat).

137 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this stuff has been big with the Paulians, Alex Jones, New World Order types for years. It's not difficult to find.

I know - it's one of the things that makes me tear my hair. It's also a sign that someone's losing their grip on political reality that they start trying to justify something that wasn't even justifiable at the time it was done.

Think about this: if Americans of Japanese descent were so very dangerous that they had to be locked up, how come we recruited their sons, husbands and brothers for our army?

138 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:04pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, my thoughts on why so many male politicians cheat on their wives.

It's simple. They can only marry women who are idiotic enough to want to be the wives of politicians.

Stupid gets boring. You'd cheat, too.

Unfortunately Sanford didn't have much better luck with his GF. Sample steamy email:


Phew. Now old Cato's all hot and bothered.

Bullshit. They cheat because they're dishonorable bastards who cannot keep their dicks in their pants.

139 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:05pm

And yes, I intend to answer my census form honestly. I might check "other" for race and write in "human" but that's still true.

140 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:16pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

No- it's not hyperbole to call it dangerous when this mindset is meant to undermine the rule of law.

It sounds like seething.

141 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:41pm

re: #124 unrealizedviewpoint

Dingleberry picking
/hmmm

Thats how Starfleet got its origins. Protecting us from Klingons circling Uranus.

/In side every grown man is a sick Jr. High boy.

142 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:42pm

re: #120 subsailor68

I salute you for that. (Not a lawyer either, but it seems to me you met the requirement set out in the Constitution. Probably why they never got back to ya.)

There's a debate on the legal aspects, Congress empowers the Census Bureau and they under that authority get to ask certain things. There's no speed limits in the Constitution, but there are speed limits everywhere. There is force of law to it.

There is a penalty for not replying.

I don't think it's ever really been challenged, and the Census Bureau probably isn't willing to go to the mat to get every single person to comply.

143 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:13pm

re: #135 alegrias

* * ***
Verrrrry interesting, Herr O.R.! Ve have vays to find out vhy you vere in a German sounding institution.

I vas only following orders! I luff my adopted country!

/Franz Liebkind voice

144 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:25pm

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

Yes, it appears that there is some seething and outraged about Bachmann.

* * * *
I'll take her over Nancy Pelosi any day.

Odd how Pelosi/Markey/Barney's assaults on the country which will affect all of us for years, seem so benign by comparison. NOT.

145 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:39pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

No- it's not hyperbole to call it dangerous when this mindset is meant to undermine the rule of law.

And thanks for the answer. Now, on to my second question. Have you read ALL of the upcoming census questions and do you intend to answer each one that pertains to you and each one honestly?

146 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:41pm

re: #137 Dianna

I know - it's one of the things that makes me tear my hair. It's also a sign that someone's losing their grip on political reality that they start trying to justify something that wasn't even justifiable at the time it was done.

Think about this: if Americans of Japanese descent were so very dangerous that they had to be locked up, how come we recruited their sons, husbands and brothers for our army?

The Japanese volunteers fought pretty damn hard in Europe too. I think they were among the most decorated and suffered a higher percentage of causalities than most other units.

147 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:48pm

re: #137 Dianna

I can't speak for Bachmann but the hardcore libertarian loonies consider our own soldiers as stooges of our international empire. In their minds WWII wasn't worth fighting.

148 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:52pm

re: #125 Right mind left

Absolutely, but you know in this Administration that will be highly unlikely...I expect them to come out with a 100 page census and say "This IS the SHORT form!" with 50 of those pages being legalese on why the other 50 must be completed entirely, with photos and videos expected of all...

///worst nightmare

Plead the fifth.

149 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:07pm

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

Yes, it appears that there is some seething and outraged about Bachmann.

I don't like the way she's encouraging paranoia with that set of remarks.

We have enough trouble with that, already.

150 ihateronpaul  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:12pm

Michelle Malkin got famous justifying internment! What a fresh new voice!

151 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:13pm

re: #139 Sharmuta

And yes, I intend to answer my census form honestly. I might check "other" for race and write in "human" but that's still true.

Dangerous!

152 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:22pm

re: #122 Occasional Reader

Hey, I attended "kindergarten", and I'm definitely not THAT old.

Yeah, he was too young to fully appreciate Farah Fawcett in 1976.

I went to "kindergarten" as well ... at a Lutheran church, though, as our school district did not yet offer it.

153 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:39pm

re: #129 reloadingisnotahobby

Or " get th Fu$# of my property.........
Actually they're just doing a part time gig so I wouldn't be crass or rude.
They won't get past the dog anyway...He HATES Census people!

I was polite, he was just doing a job for a few bucks.

154 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:53pm

re: #135 alegrias

* * ***
Verrrrry interesting, Herr O.R.! Ve have vays to find out vhy you vere in a German sounding institution.

German language and customs are very useful in Argentina!

/

155 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:03pm

Bachmann has staked out a position on the fringes. She misrepresents climate change data, promotes creationism, suggests that her opponents are disloyal to the US, and this is not the first time she's said the government might start putting people in camps:

Bachmann Warns Of 'Re-Education Camps' For Young People.

156 Patriot  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:04pm

Charles, et al,

Before we go off too hard on the Left OR the Right for internment, it might be useful to refresh (or educate) yourself on what is known as the "Niihau Incident", and on the assistance received by a pre-attack Japanese Spy from 'local' Hawaiians.

I'm not defending internment per se, but it's disingenuous to use a current frame of reference for a prior action without acknowledging the surrounding circumstances.

I happened to have watch Ms. Bachmann this morning and the clip is only a part of the entire interview. If she is factually incorrect about the source of the data used for the internment, then call her on that.

If not, then play the whole interview so some context can be established for comment.

157 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:24pm

re: #135 alegrias

* * ***
Verrrrry interesting, Herr O.R.! Ve have vays to find out vhy you vere in a German sounding institution.

I can distinctly recall the First Grader taunt:

Baby! Baby!
Kindergarten baby!
Stick your head in gravy!
Wash it out with bubble gum
and send it to the Navy!

I also recall that someone had to explain to us what the "Navy" was. (This was around the time we also learned, to our astonishment, that there's no such letter in the alphabet as "elemeno". My Very First Misheard Song Lyric.)

158 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:25pm

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Nissei it ain't so, Michelle.

puns like this should be an ichibannable offense

159 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:27pm

re: #138 MandyManners

Bullshit. They cheat because they're dishonorable bastards who cannot keep their dicks in their pants.

That too.

But I certainly wouldn't marry a woman who would have a politician for a spouse. It's one of the first questions I'd ask. "Would you marry me if I were a politician?" Affirmative answer = dealbreaker.

160 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:30pm

re: #153 jcm

I was polite, he was just doing a job for a few bucks.

That's what Eddie Murphy told the cops about his "passenger", IIRC.

/

161 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:43pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

Aren't you supposed to be on vacation?

162 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:49:00pm

OT--Immigration
New Video/almost LIVE

Obama wants to legalize status of "undocumented workers who are here"

"Get something done right now"

Fully behind comprehensive immigration reform

Napolitano will lead up a group to systematically work through these issues....in House and Senate.

163 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:49:32pm

re: #157 Occasional Reader

I can distinctly recall the First Grader taunt:

Baby! Baby!
Kindergarten baby!
Stick your head in gravy!
Wash it out with bubble gum
and send it to the Navy!

I also recall that someone had to explain to us what the "Navy" was. (This was around the time we also learned, to our astonishment, that there's no such letter in the alphabet as "elemeno". My Very First Misheard Song Lyric.)

Mondagreen!

164 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:49:47pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I can't speak for Bachmann but the hardcore libertarian loonies consider our own soldiers as stooges of our international empire. In their minds WWII wasn't worth fighting.

KT, the operative word in that first sentence is "loonies."

165 calcajun  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:49:47pm

re: #116 Occasional Reader

[Pet peeve No. 337,452]

I no longer have pet peeves. They became feral after I set them free on the world.

166 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:12pm

re: #142 jcm

There's a debate on the legal aspects, Congress empowers the Census Bureau and they under that authority get to ask certain things. There's no speed limits in the Constitution, but there are speed limits everywhere. There is force of law to it.

There is a penalty for not replying.

I don't think it's ever really been challenged, and the Census Bureau probably isn't willing to go to the mat to get every single person to comply.

Yeah, and I think I see why there would be a debate - the last words of that section I quoted above are:

in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

I would think the Founding Fathers were talking about the "who's gonna do it" as opposed to "how intrusive shall we get this time", but I certainly take your point. And I bet you're right that the bureau just hasn't (so far) wanted to push it.

167 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:23pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

It's not seething to point out this mentality is dangerous. It should be setting off red flags about this person and what they think of the law. As a law maker, she has a very skewed sense of the meaning of the law in this country, imo. I think she should save the righteous indignation for bigger fish. It's the damned census.

168 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:25pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Dangerous!

Subversive, too.

Almost as funny as crayoning in "Yes, please" on the "Sex" line.

169 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:27pm

re: #127 Tatterdemalian

The U.S. military's performance in Gulf War I, Afghanistan, and Gulf War II was anything but "lackluster".

In fact, on a proportional basis, they performed far more effectively than they did in WWII.

170 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:40pm

re: #161 Dianna

Aren't you supposed to be on vacation?

Got delayed by a flaw in my digestive system (nuf sed). Leaving tonight.

171 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:45pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, my thoughts on why so many male politicians cheat on their wives.

It's simple. They can only marry women who are idiotic enough to want to be the wives of politicians.

Stupid gets boring. You'd cheat, too.

Unfortunately Sanford didn't have much better luck with his GF. Sample steamy email:

Phew. Now old Cato's all hot and bothered.

I don't really think Mrs. Sanford is stupid, but I do think a lot of aspiring politicians choose a wife because she's suitable, not because they love her. It may become more of a public partnership than a private relationship.

Usually I have nothing but contempt for the cheaters, but I feel sort of sorry for Sanford. I think he's clearly too sensitive and emotional to be in higher office. Mrs. Sanford comes across as rather cold, and I think he was honestly just looking for love. Dumb move in the way he carried it out, but I hope he returns to private life and gets act together.

172 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:49pm

re: #136 Desert Dog

Democraphic are only worth they're wieght in skunk shit if the
answers are HONEST!
How many illegals are going to fill in" Are you an illegal Alien"
with" Sie!

173 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:06pm

re: #159 Cato the Elder

That too.

But I certainly wouldn't marry a woman who would have a politician for a spouse. It's one of the first questions I'd ask. "Would you marry me if I were a politician?" Affirmative answer = dealbreaker.

What, so Cato the Elder wasn't a politician?

"Hello, I'm Cato the Elder. Would you marry me if I were Cato the Elder?"

'Err...'

174 WinterCat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:20pm

re: #90 Desert Dog

I think in hindsight, the entire thing was done out of hysteria and paranoia, not for a good reason.

That was very true. America had been attacked and people were frightened. It was a terrible thing. Earl Warren, who eventually became the Chief Justice, and was California's Atty General and then Governor -- and a very liberal man -- was highly supportive of internment at the time. In later years he came to deeply regret this position. Times of war are different from times of peace and hindsight is 20/20.

175 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:30pm

re: #155 Charles

Bachmann has staked out a position on the fringes. She misrepresents climate change data, promotes creationism, suggests that her opponents are disloyal to the US, and this is not the first time she's said the government might start putting people in camps:

Bachmann Warns Of 'Re-Education Camps' For Young People.

geeez, she enjoys being on the fringe does she?

176 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:52pm

re: #136 Desert Dog

Demographics are important on many levels. It's nice to know who is here, etc, etc. Unfortunately, the many of the results of this census will be used for political gains and as a redistricting guide for one particular political party (the one that rhymes with moonbat).

The Constitution says nothing about gathering demographic data. Adding a few questions to the census is a handy way to get that data, but it is not required. The result of an enumeration is a number, that is all.

In the 1990 census I went round and round with a census taker about that. I told them, there are two US citizens living here, and gave that answer for all further questions. I wish I had thought of the subpoena line that was given above.

177 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:57pm

Well, was the census used that way for internment? I honestly don't know.

She might not be wrong, just catastrophically stupid...

...I'd still hit it though.

178 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:52:08pm

re: #138 MandyManners

Bullshit. They cheat because they're dishonorable bastards who cannot keep their dicks in their pants.

You left out narcissists. At least at higher levels, a lot of politicians are narcissists.

179 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:52:34pm

re: #164 Dianna

KT, the operative word in that first sentence is "loonies."

They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.

180 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:03pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

It's not seething to point out this mentality is dangerous. It should be setting off red flags about this person and what they think of the law. As a law maker, she has a very skewed sense of the meaning of the law in this country, imo. I think she should save the righteous indignation for bigger fish. It's the damned census.

IMO, I think you should save the righteous indignation for bigger fish. You're seething.

181 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:27pm

re: #173 iceweasel

What, so Cato the Elder wasn't a politician?

"Hello, I'm Cato the Elder. Would you marry me if I were Cato the Elder?"

'Err...'

This incarnation has never been a politician. Lots of other disreputable things, but never that in this lifetime.

Now will you marry me? ;^)

182 MJ  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:30pm

re: #155 Charles

Bachmann has staked out a position on the fringes. She misrepresents climate change data, promotes creationism, suggests that her opponents are disloyal to the US, and this is not the first time she's said the government might start putting people in camps:

Bachmann Warns Of 'Re-Education Camps' For Young People.

Bachmann is a member of a church that is part of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod which believes the the Pope is the Antichrist:


"Therefore on the basis of a renewed study of the pertinent Scriptures we reaffirm the statement of the Lutheran Confessions, that “the Pope is the very Antichrist” '

[Link: www.wels.net...]

She claims that her pastor said that her church doesn't believe that but nevertheless her church is still a member of WELS:
[Link: wcco.com...]

183 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:35pm

re: #168 OldLineTexan

Subversive, too.

Almost as funny as crayoning in "Yes, please" on the "Sex" line.

You mean there's a form I can fill out to get some? Wow!

184 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:45pm

re: #173 iceweasel

What, so Cato the Elder wasn't a politician?

"Hello, I'm Cato the Elder. Would you marry me if I were Cato the Elder?"

'Err...'

And, what about Kato the Chauffeur?

185 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:50pm

re: #146 Desert Dog

The Japanese volunteers fought pretty damn hard in Europe too. I think they were among the most decorated and suffered a higher percentage of causalities than most other units.

Correct:

The 442nd Infantry, formerly the 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army, was an Asian American unit composed of mostly Japanese Americans who fought in Europe during the Second World War.[1] The families of many of its soldiers were subject to internment. The 442nd was a self-sufficient fighting force, and fought with uncommon distinction in Italy, southern France, and Germany. The unit became the most highly decorated military unit in the history of the United States Armed Forces, including 21 Medal of Honor recipients, earning the nickname “The Purple Heart Battalion”.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

186 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #166 subsailor68

Yeah, and I think I see why there would be a debate - the last words of that section I quoted above are:

in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

I would think the Founding Fathers were talking about the "who's gonna do it" as opposed to "how intrusive shall we get this time", but I certainly take your point. And I bet you're right that the bureau just hasn't (so far) wanted to push it.

And who's gonna do it, is the big issue I have this time around.

I can't imagine the founders signing off on the long form.

187 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:59pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

Got delayed by a flaw in my digestive system (nuf sed). Leaving tonight.

As the lefties are fond of saying, "just poop".

188 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:54:23pm

re: #177 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, was the census used that way for internment? I honestly don't know.

She might not be wrong, just catastrophically stupid...

...I'd still hit it though.

As I typically say when I see this: Nothing turns a woman on like being referred to as "it". /

189 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:54:43pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.

To use your fav word: Strawman


Or, "you wish"

190 vxbush  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:54:49pm

re: #171 doppelganglander

Complete OT: Is it my turn in our game?

191 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:54:52pm

re: #183 MandyManners

You mean there's a form I can fill out to get some? Wow!

My dear, I am sure you would not need a form for that.

192 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:55:18pm

re: #146 Desert Dog

The Japanese volunteers fought pretty damn hard in Europe too. I think they were among the most decorated and suffered a higher percentage of causalities than most other units.

You think correctly. There are whole books on this subject.

I should mention that my best friend's father was interned as a teenager; and that one formative influence in my childhood was both an internee, and her family owned a piece of property that was to all intents and purposes stolen, and that property made millions - of which her family never saw a penny.

Injustice is injustice. Theft is theft. The fact is, the US government, even in a fight for its life, was not within its rights to 1) intern American citizens of Japanese descent and 2) force them to lose their property.

193 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:55:28pm

re: #183 MandyManners

You mean there's a form I can fill out to get some? Wow!

Er... why, yes, yes there is! I'll mail it right out to you.

194 Pianobuff  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:55:49pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.

You're painting with an awfully broad paintbrushroller.

195 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:55:58pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

No- I'm not seething. Bachmann is seething and foaming at the mouth over a census form. It's ridiculous. But more- this shows insight to her vision. She's unconstrained, and this kookspiracy theory she's clinging to shows she's absurd.

196 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:22pm

re: #194 Pianobuff

You're painting with an awfully broad paintbrushroller.

When you use tar, you need a big brush. Hell, they use mops.

197 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:37pm

re: #190 vxbush

Complete OT: Is it my turn in our game?

It is now - she just played.

198 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:41pm

re: #195 Sharmuta

No- I'm not seething. Bachmann is seething and foaming at the mouth over a census form. It's ridiculous. But more- this shows insight to her vision. She's unconstrained, and this kookspiracy theory she's clinging to shows she's absurd.

I'll leave it at that.

199 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:42pm

re: #181 Cato the Elder

This incarnation has never been a politician. Lots of other disreputable things, but never that in this lifetime.

Now will you marry me? ;^)

Hmmm, I don't know. I'm not convinced you've been disreputable enough for me-- although it is some relief to know you haven't been a politician. I like a little disrepute, but not dishonour.

Besides, you are going away on vacation. And you owe me an email!

200 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:45pm

re: #172 reloadingisnotahobby

Democraphic are only worth they're wieght in skunk shit if the
answers are HONEST!
How many illegals are going to fill in" Are you an illegal Alien"
with" Sie!

* * * * *
I speak Spanish and just this week
I have seen on tv Latino community organizers telling spanish speakers to participate in the census so all will be counted.

Democrats want all 20 million non-citizens counted as well as citizens.

Some spanish speakers don't quite believe their democrat promises, but there you have it.

Spanish speakers are being promised goodies if they participate, and I trust Obama to deliver to his SEIU and union members including non-English non citizens.

It's a numbers game, and its what community organizers do, including counting the votes of dead people, as the old joke goes.

WHO is surprised here?

201 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:47pm

re: #190 vxbush

Complete OT: Is it my turn in our game?

I think so.

202 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:57:07pm
203 jwb7605  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:57:15pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

Er... why, yes, yes there is! I'll mail it right out to you.

Snail mail?
I have the online form. With a place for thumbnails!

204 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:57:34pm

re: #178 Conservative Moonbat

You left out narcissists. At least at higher levels, a lot of politicians are narcissists.

Yep.

205 vxbush  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #197 reine.de.tout

It is now - she just played.

Ah! Beautiful. Okay, back to your regularly scheduled off-topicness.

206 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #186 jcm

And who's gonna do it, is the big issue I have this time around.

I can't imagine the founders signing off on the long form.

LOL! Me either. I can just imagine:

John Adams: Have you prepared the census form?
Thomas Jefferson: Right here Ben.
John Adams: Good grief Tom, it's over two hundred pages long.
Thomas Jefferson: Yes. So?
John Adams: Ben?
Ben Franklin: Yes, John?
John Adams: How long will it take to print enough of these for everyone in the country?
Ben Franklin: Oh, about twelve years.

207 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:58:16pm

re: #203 jwb7605

Snail mail?
I have the online form. With a place for thumbnails!

Wanted: Woman who owns a boat and likes to gut, clean, and cook fish. Send picture of boat.

/

208 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:58:54pm

re: #195 Sharmuta

No- I'm not seething. Bachmann is seething and foaming at the mouth over a census form. It's ridiculous. But more- this shows insight to her vision. She's unconstrained, and this kookspiracy theory she's clinging to shows she's absurd.

Bachmann is a nut. And censorious, although I bet someone has used that in this thread.

Charles already said it all. She specialises in appealing to the fringe. She likes it. It's where she wants to be.

209 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:59:13pm

re: #200 alegrias
Very true!
I retract my retort.......I think!

210 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:59:20pm

re: #208 iceweasel

Bachmann is a nut. And censorious, although I bet someone has used that in this thread.

Charles already said it all. She specialises in appealing to the fringe. She likes it. It's where she wants to be.

Why are you seething? ///

211 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:59:37pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.

No, dear, they are not. You want to believe that, you harp on it day and night. You insist that all Republican/conservative circles believe this lunacy, and I am here to tell you that no, they do not.

KT, my friends and neighbors have attended a Tea Party. My friends and neighbors are about 1/3 Republican/fiscal conservatives, and they don't buy this madness in the main. I do not count my friend who has been a "black helicopter" thinker since the early 90's; I think he just enjoys the thrill it gives him, though. Even he doesn't believe all the nonsense, and would battle against any group being interned.

212 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:59:41pm

I can see it now: The very Republic hinges on whether we count "Space JEEZus" or "Space Hay-SUS"

/

213 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:10pm
214 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:15pm

re: #200 alegrias

* * * * *
I speak Spanish and just this week
I have seen on tv Latino community organizers telling spanish speakers to participate in the census so all will be counted.

Democrats want all 20 million non-citizens counted as well as citizens.

Some spanish speakers don't quite believe their democrat promises, but there you have it.

Spanish speakers are being promised goodies if they participate, and I trust Obama to deliver to his SEIU and union members including non-English non citizens.

It's a numbers game, and its what community organizers do, including counting the votes of dead people, as the old joke goes.

WHO is surprised here?

One side is playing for keeps and will do anything to get and keep power, the other side is busy having affairs and getting into spats with talk show hosts. Gee, I wonder why we are losing?

215 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:18pm
216 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:28pm

re: #184 Desert Dog

And, what about Kato the Chauffeur?

Don't forget Kato, the world's most infamous houseguest.

217 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.

FOX has, IMO, one show that's off the rails - Beck's. Even that is not total nuts, only part is. Again, your brush is too too broad. Ease up Killgore and regain some credibility.

218 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #178 Conservative Moonbat

You left out narcissists. At least at higher levels, a lot of politicians are narcissists.

A politicians craft and trade is seduction, seducing voters into voting for him. When your way of life is seduction, it's far easier for it to slip into personal seduction.

219 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:12pm

re: #171 doppelganglander

I don't really think Mrs. Sanford is stupid, but I do think a lot of aspiring politicians choose a wife because she's suitable, not because they love her. It may become more of a public partnership than a private relationship.

Usually I have nothing but contempt for the cheaters, but I feel sort of sorry for Sanford. I think he's clearly too sensitive and emotional to be in higher office. Mrs. Sanford comes across as rather cold, and I think he was honestly just looking for love. Dumb move in the way he carried it out, but I hope he returns to private life and gets act together.

I think in general it's a mutual thing. The kind of woman who would want a politician for a husband has something wrong with her. And the kind of man who would want that kind of woman, ditto. So they mostly end up deserving each other.

Then there's the whole thing of marrying someone because you think she'll do well with your potential voters. That's just a sick calculation when entering into a marriage. Very, very high eww factor.

Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?

220 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:16pm

re: #189 Desert Dog

She's a big hit with the Tea Party crowd.....
Tim Pawlenty & Michelle Bachmann tea party

Bachmann’s Tea Party Message

Much more here

You should look up the meaning of a Strawman argument. I don't think you know what it means.

221 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:21pm

re: #184 Desert Dog

And, what about Kato the Chauffeur?

I had to click the link.

Geeky and love me some comics, but woefully ignorant of the classic comics. Damn!

222 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:21pm

re: #131 capitalist piglet


With these things, it's always important to take into consideration the context. We look back in horror at a lot of things - but I think there was actually evidence of Japanese espionage. In fact, I think someone was arrested here in Seattle for signaling someone off the coast with the headlights of their car...I'd have to look that one up to be sure. FDR probably overreacted, but it's not that there wasn't anything at all going on to provoke it.

There was an incident on an island just north of Hawaii proper that might have actually been the trigger for internment. If I recall correctly, one of the participants in the Pearl Harbor raid actually crash-landed on this island and... something bad happened with the locals, I don't remember exactly what. The natives were Americans of Japanese descent and I think they found conclusively that the locals helped the pilot kill a couple of people in an attempt to escape.

I'm sure it's on Wikipedia somewhere, and Air & Space magazine had a ten page article on the incident a year or two ago. The whole thing was classified at the time but it's alleged to have been one of the incidents that spurred along internment.

And then there's the quasi-fascist notion that Japanese people were put up for their own safety. My father always maintains that we "just can't understand the rage" the nation felt right after Pearl Harbor (he was 9 at the time), and that it might have been flat-out unsafe for Japanese-Americans to live their daily lives in a normal way.

223 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:33pm

I got the long form one year. It came full of dire consequences.

224 Wendya  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:01pm
Despite decades of denials, government records confirm that the U.S. Census Bureau provided the U.S. Secret Service with names and addresses of Japanese-Americans during World War II.

[Link: www.scientificamerican.com...]

That's not quite the justification I would have used......

Last census I received the long form. I considered it far too intrusive and refused to fill out anything other than how many people lived at my home. They sent people out to interview me and I held fast. After the second person, they went away without their answers.

For those of you who didn't have the joy of receiving the long form, here it is:

[Link: www.census.gov...]

225 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:06pm

re: #202 taxfreekiller So when our construction workers and agricultural workers are reduced to sneaking into Mexico to find work what kind of reception do you think they will get on the border?

(Only partially /)

226 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:12pm

re: #212 OldLineTexan

I can see it now: The very Republic hinges on whether we count "Space JEEZus" or "Space Hay-SUS"

/

As long as 2 votes get counted who cares?

/ACORN

227 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:24pm

OT
LIVE
Joe Biden says "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs."

Hahahahaha

Biden's always saying crazy stuff.

228 medaura18586  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:46pm

re: #23 Charles

In Defense of Internment: The World War II Round-Up and What It Means For America's War on Terror: Michelle Malkin.

Yes! And thank you for finally bringing that up. Someone ought to.

229 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:59pm

What? The hell?

230 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:11pm

re: #210 Sharmuta

Why are you seething? ///

Forgot to turn off the teakettle. :(

231 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:13pm

re: #227 alegrias

OT
LIVE
Joe Biden says "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs."

Hahahahaha

Biden's always saying crazy stuff.

"I got grasshoppers taped to my back!"

232 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:14pm
233 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:26pm

re: #200 alegrias

I speak Spanish and just this week

Reminds me: I had a conversation the other day with two españols and a mejicana, who had refreshingly positive things to say about living in the US. All spoke very highly of American civic culture; including the classic story I hear from a lot of foreign expats living here, "I left my cellphone/wallet/purse at the food court/shopping mall/Metro, and half an hour later got a call from the person who found it, and it was returned to me intact... that would never have happened in my country."

It was a very nice corrective to the usual gringo/yanqui-bashing one hears.

234 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:32pm

re: #229 Joan Not of Arc

What? What!

235 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:49pm

Here's one of the national tea party blogs praising her insanity.....
Congresswoman Bachmann Grills Geithner & Bernanke

236 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:50pm

The worst job I ever had was working for the Census Bureau. In 1990 I had to go to the homes of people who didn't fill in or send in their forms and try to get them to do them. Not a fun job.

237 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:04:09pm

re: #212 OldLineTexan

I can see it now: The very Republic hinges on whether we count "Space JEEZus" or "Space Hay-SUS"

/


Play-by-play announcer: "And now up to bat, the Savior of the Wooooorld!

Color commentator: Um, Bob... I think that's pronounced Hay-soos."

238 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:04:14pm

re: #227 alegrias

OT
LIVE
Joe Biden says "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs."

Hahahahaha

Biden's always saying crazy stuff.

He's like Bachmann, you say?

/

239 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:05:12pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

I think in general it's a mutual thing. The kind of woman who would want a politician for a husband has something wrong with her. And the kind of man who would want that kind of woman, ditto. So they mostly end up deserving each other.

Then there's the whole thing of marrying someone because you think she'll do well with your potential voters. That's just a sick calculation when entering into a marriage. Very, very high eww factor.

Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?

Speaking of painting with a broad brush. You have just basically called every politician and their mates a bunch of strata whores, people who are only interested in a relationship if it can bring them power, money, fame and public attention.

Sure, this happens, but you are making this all inclusive, which is absurd.

Please tell me this is, on your part, opinion, and anecdotal, or else, show me proof.

240 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:05:20pm
241 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:05:37pm

re: #228 medaura18586

Hey!

I'm just sticking an article in the mail for Mr Medaura. Can you tell me your new apartment number? (Same building, right?)

242 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:05:53pm

Well folks, once again it's time for me to get put back into the cage. Have a wonderful evening, everyone!

243 mardukhai  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:14pm

Perhaps the lady shouldjust be asked to walk a straight line or touch a finger to her nose.

244 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:23pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

I think in general it's a mutual thing. The kind of woman who would want a politician for a husband has something wrong with her. And the kind of man who would want that kind of woman, ditto. So they mostly end up deserving each other.

Then there's the whole thing of marrying someone because you think she'll do well with your potential voters. That's just a sick calculation when entering into a marriage. Very, very high eww factor.

Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?

Well, he was looking for love, but who knows what the mysterious Maria was looking for. I personally think smart is sexy, but I don't think I could get past Sanford's resemblance to a hound dog.

245 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:26pm

another Tea Party site endorsing Bachmann's insanity.....
Bachmann bill would ban global currency

246 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:33pm
247 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:44pm

re: #67 subsailor68

I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but my understanding of the census is to "enumerate" for the purpose of apportioning representation in the House. Here's the text:

The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

I have absolutely no problem with that, but for the life of me can't quite grasp the value of knowing how many toilets I have when it comes to apportioning representation.

(Unless Congress wants to know how many ways I have to flush the crap they send out.)

Maybe the number of toilets you have will be part of the water rationing equation.

248 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:07:34pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Do you know anything about this band?

One Track Mind

[Link: www.onetrackmind.biz:80...]

Just curious?

249 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:07:37pm
250 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:00pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

I think in general it's a mutual thing. The kind of woman who would want a politician for a husband has something wrong with her. And the kind of man who would want that kind of woman, ditto. So they mostly end up deserving each other.

Then there's the whole thing of marrying someone because you think she'll do well with your potential voters. That's just a sick calculation when entering into a marriage. Very, very high eww factor.

Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?

This is bordering on misogyny.

251 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:06pm

Another Tea Party endorsement....
Minnesota's Bachmann takes on Acorn

I'll stop now. I think I've made my case.

252 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:13pm

re: #248 Nevergiveup

Do you know anything about this band?

One Track Mind

[Link: www.onetrackmind.biz:80...]

Just curious?

Holy shit... LOL, spot on.

253 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:15pm

re: #238 OldLineTexan

He's like Bachmann, you say?

/

* * * *
Bachmann didn't plagiarize her way through law school & presidential speeches like the asshole Biden did.

Bachmann was a tax attorney and had a career before politics, unlike Biden who went straight to the public trough and naturally thinks government "makes" jobs.

Biden's whole adult life has been at your expense.

254 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:36pm

re: #247 debutaunt

Maybe the number of toilets you have will be part of the water rationing equation.

GPF inspectors, all are your toilets low flow?

255 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:51pm

re: #248 Nevergiveup

Nope, Haven't heard of them before.

256 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:07pm

re: #233 Occasional Reader

I had a conversation the other day with two españolas

PIMF

257 Tatterdemalian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:07pm

re: #169 Occasional Reader

The U.S. military's performance in Gulf War I, Afghanistan, and Gulf War II was anything but "lackluster".

In fact, on a proportional basis, they performed far more effectively than they did in WWII.

Their military performance was more flawless than in any war the US ever fought before. Unfortunately, the non-military population of the US was conditioned to expect not just victory, but also peace, democracy, and multiculturalism to spring up like flowers in our wake. Even the most overwhelming success is still a failure if the population the military is fighting to defend re-frames it as one, thanks to propaganda and information warfare.

258 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:24pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

Nope, Haven't heard of them before.

Can't see the forest for the trees.

259 jwb7605  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:27pm

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

Speaking of painting with a broad brush. You have just basically called every politician and their mates a bunch of strata whores, people who are only interested in a relationship if it can bring them power, money, fame and public attention.

Sure, this happens, but you are making this all inclusive, which is absurd.

Please tell me this is, on your part, opinion, and anecdotal, or else, show me proof.

DUDE!
I just picked my Facebook "5 things I'd like to see disappear forever".
These are (not necessarily in order):
-- Politicians
-- Reality TV
-- Global Warming LIES
-- Fundamentalism
-- Diversity

BIG BROAD brush, but I stand behind it. I commented "Diversity" has become a closet word for "Racism". It used to mean "another way of looking at it". It now means "I promote <insert skin color>". That needs to go away.

260 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:31pm

re: #79 Right mind left

There is a PDF sample of the long form but also this article claims the intent 2010 is to use the short form, only there is heated debate about what will go into the form. I don't think it is decided quite yet:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]


All they will get from me is the quantity of people in my home.

261 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:34pm
262 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:10:08pm

re: #218 jcm

A politicians craft and trade is seduction, seducing voters into voting for him. When your way of life is seduction, it's far easier for it to slip into personal seduction.

Very true, and this point is not being made enough.

Also the fact that a politician almost by definition has to be someone who feeds on performance and feedback, like anyone else who makes their living on a stage (musicians, actors). They need the audience; being successful at what they do requires responding to and playing to an audience.

Politicans have affairs partly because their stagecraft is seduction, but also because they have an internal need for adulation.

263 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:10:35pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

I'll stop now. I think I've made my case.


Actually, #248 Nevergiveup, made it.

264 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:10:35pm

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

Speaking of painting with a broad brush. You have just basically called every politician and their mates a bunch of strata whores, people who are only interested in a relationship if it can bring them power, money, fame and public attention.

Sure, this happens, but you are making this all inclusive, which is absurd.

Please tell me this is, on your part, opinion, and anecdotal, or else, show me proof.

I guess Cato went on vacation?

265 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:10:36pm
266 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:10:58pm
267 jwb7605  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:11:29pm

re: #261 taxfreekiller

on second thinking

someone may be posting from a padded room now

Why did Charles make great big post numbers? Does he think I'm getting senile? What's he trying to distract me from?

268 irish rose  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:11:38pm

Good afternoon, lizards!

I see that the stalkers at the non-stalker site are now stalking Hoosier Hoops and myself (in addition to their ongoing stalking of Sharmuta, Charles and anyone else who has the tenacity to spit in their eye).

They've been searching public records for information about me, just as I expected they would... how quaint.

269 Wendya  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:11:42pm

re: #260 debutaunt

All they will get from me is the quantity of people in my home.

Prepare to have them knock on your door.

270 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:11:56pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?

Quite. I read the e-mails, mis-spellings and all. What a load of turgid twaddle. Now, if it had been like Charles and Camilla's 'phone exchanges, that would have been interesting.

271 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:16pm

re: #247 debutaunt

Maybe the number of toilets you have will be part of the water rationing equation.

Not far off there.
There is a new thing called LEEDs .
It's all about energy, environment and control and getting people to stop driving cars.
Your country is being stolen from you right under your noses.
But Beck is a wacko, so well, ok, mmmmmmmm, donuts........

272 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:17pm

re: #266 buzzsawmonkey Pass Buzz the butter he's on a roll today!

273 bloodnok  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:31pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Another Tea Party endorsement....
Minnesota's Bachmann takes on Acorn

I'll stop now. I think I've made my case.

Until tomorrow, anyway when someone will say that all of your claims are "unsubstantiated!".

274 KingKenrod  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:36pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

Meanwhile, my thoughts on why so many male politicians cheat on their wives.

It's simple. They can only marry women who are idiotic enough to want to be the wives of politicians.

Stupid gets boring. You'd cheat, too.

Unfortunately Sanford didn't have much better luck with his GF. Sample steamy email:

Phew. Now old Cato's all hot and bothered.

I think if you could get accurate data (probably impossible) you would find the politicians cheat less on their spouses than the average public. The reason why is that when a politician gets caught, there are two consequences that ordinary people don't suffer: career destruction and public humiliation. The costs of a politician getting caught are much higher, and the odds of getting caught are much greater as well.

275 mardukhai  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:37pm

re: #244 doppelganglander

Well, he was looking for love, but who knows what the mysterious Maria was looking for. I personally think smart is sexy, but I don't think I could get past Sanford's resemblance to a hound dog.

Well, I'm someone who has personally observed politicians and their groupies. (Former Vice President and New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller died while "inter delicto" with a female friend of mine)

As a result, I can safely say that any governor could actually BE a hound dog, and most women would find him attractive.

276 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:44pm
277 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:51pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

I'm waiting for Malkin's head to explode over this one...

278 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:13:19pm

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

Speaking of painting with a broad brush. You have just basically called every politician and their mates a bunch of strata whores, people who are only interested in a relationship if it can bring them power, money, fame and public attention.

Sure, this happens, but you are making this all inclusive, which is absurd.

Please tell me this is, on your part, opinion, and anecdotal, or else, show me proof.

LOL. Proof?

It's my satirical opinion.

And strata whores are everywhere. Why, their numbers are stratospheric.

279 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:14:06pm

re: #244 doppelganglander

Well, he was looking for love, but who knows what the mysterious Maria was looking for. I personally think smart is sexy, but I don't think I could get past Sanford's resemblance to a hound dog.

Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.

/

280 Neutral President  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:14:23pm

Well she's been barking at the moon like all the Paulians and Nirthers for awhile now. This isn't a stretch. I'm surprised she isn't rambling about water fluoridation as well.

281 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:14:44pm

re: #268 irish rose

Good afternoon, lizards!

I see that the stalkers at the non-stalker site are now stalking Hoosier Hoops and myself (in addition to their ongoing stalking of Sharmuta, Charles and anyone else who has the tenacity to spit in their eye).

They've been searching public records for information about me, just as I expected they would... how quaint.

Since they don't have a life, they are just trying to find out what one looks like.

/

282 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:11pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout
If your case is Bachman is nuts I'd agree.

If your case is that Republicans are nuts because Bachman represents their mainstream I'd have to take issue with that.

283 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:19pm

re: #278 Cato the Elder

...And strata whores are everywhere. Why, their numbers are stratospheric.

And so are misogynist.

284 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:43pm

re: #270 John Neverbend

Quite. I read the e-mails, mis-spellings and all. What a load of turgid twaddle. Now, if it had been like Charles and Camilla's 'phone exchanges, that would have been interesting.

Turgid may not entirely be the right word. Nor interesting.

285 mardukhai  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:45pm

re: #278 Cato the Elder

Interesting term, strata whores. In the men's movement, we always called them status whores.

Feminasties simply hated that term.

286 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:48pm

re: #275 mardukhai

Well, I'm someone who has personally observed politicians and their groupies. (Former Vice President and New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller died while "inter delicto" with a female friend of mine)

As a result, I can safely say that any governor could actually BE a hound dog, and most women would find him attractive.

You knew Megan Marshack? (I admit, I had to look up her name). I remember that event vividly. Everyone laughed, but I suppose it was very traumatic for her.

287 WinterCat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:59pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Another Tea Party endorsement....
Minnesota's Bachmann takes on Acorn

I'll stop now. I think I've made my case.

I don't think people who attend Tea Parties are crazy in general. I think there are fringe groups on the left and the right. Tea Party people need to kick out the crazies, yes. But wouldn't it be great for the democrats if they could dump the Code Pink and Che crowd?

288 Gearhead  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:16:06pm

Whoops! There she goes - off the deep end.

Would all rest of the Republicans with a looney (or libidinous) streak please stand up now so the sane ones will stand a chance next year? Please? I'm putting in a lot of volunteer hours already and I don't want to have wasted them.

289 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:16:15pm

re: #279 Occasional Reader

Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.

/

I thought her name was Appalacia - isn't that what Sanford said he was doing for two days? /

290 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:16:31pm

re: #279 Occasional Reader

Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.

/

maria! he just met a girl named Maria.......

291 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:16:56pm

re: #275 mardukhai

Well, I'm someone who has personally observed politicians and their groupies. (Former Vice President and New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller died while "inter delicto" with a female friend of mine)

I hadn't heard of that event until a few weeks ago when HWSNBN mentioned it on his radio show. I don't recall how it came up, but it was probably sandwiched between a story about his dog Teddy and some amusing but disparaging reference to Glenn Beck.

292 irish rose  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:12pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Hey!

I'm just sticking an article in the mail for Mr Medaura. Can you tell me your new apartment number? (Same building, right?)

... not here!

293 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:19pm

Obama names Dennis Ross Mideast advisor
Published: 06.25.09, 23:02 / Israel News
Veteran diplomat Dennis Ross has been officially named US President Barack Obama's Middle East advisor.

Ross will be part of the National Security Council and will oversee the Middle East, the Persian Gulf and south Asia, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan. (Yitzhak Benhorin, Washington)

This is what is called being "buried". Since Mitchell and Richard Holbrooke already head up these 2 portfolios, Ross who has been fired from The Iran desk is being stuck in some deep dark hole. And as I have said before, I don't particularly like Ross, but he was the best of a bad group.

294 medaura18586  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:20pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Hey!

I'm just sticking an article in the mail for Mr Medaura. Can you tell me your new apartment number? (Same building, right?)

I updated that on my Facebook after the first book you sent me almost got lost. Check it there. Many thanks in advance from Mr Medaur ;)

295 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:22pm

re: #79 Right mind left

There is a PDF sample of the long form but also this article claims the intent 2010 is to use the short form, only there is heated debate about what will go into the form. I don't think it is decided quite yet:

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

The government wants to keep the "short form" as short as possible. It dropped the foster care category in favor of asking whether anyone in the household sometimes lives elsewhere — children away at college, for example.

That means there won't be a way to know whether the financial status of more than 500,000 children in foster care is improving, says William O'Hare, senior fellow at the Annie E. Casey Foundation's Kids Count program. "That's the big issue for us."

I'm a foster parent. The state already has excruciating details about me for the foster care license. How many rooms, how big the rooms are, whether I have window shade cords in child safe reels, if my meds are locked up. Not only did I fill out the forms the licenser checks.

It's also been a fight to keep those documents confidential, a recent move wanted to make licensing files public records among other things. Available even to the biological parents of the kids.

The state better know where all it's foster kids are.

It's a stupid waste of parent and ink on the census form.

296 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:23pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Since they don't have a life, they are just trying to find out what one looks like.

/

I suspect they are jealous that they no longer may partake in the exchange here at LGF, therefore they must attack. They made their bed.

297 Gearhead  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:35pm

re: #279 Occasional Reader

Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.

/

How do we solve a problem like that?

298 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:37pm

re: #289 DaddyG

I thought her name was Appalacia - isn't that what Sanford said he was doing for two days? /

Doing Appalachia's tail?

299 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:50pm

re: #286 doppelganglander

You knew Megan Marshack? (I admit, I had to look up her name). I remember that event vividly. Everyone laughed, but I suppose it was very traumatic for her.


Probably depends on how long it took her to notice. You could safely say the whole experience was probably hard on her.

300 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:09pm

re: #277 SixDegrees

I'm waiting for Malkin's head to explode over this one...

i wait for that every day. Every. Day.

301 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:21pm

re: #285 mardukhai

Interesting term, strata whores. In the men's movement, we always called them status whores.

Feminasties simply hated that term.

I got it from Walter. First time I ever saw it, either, but I'm soooooo stealing it.

Thanks Walter!

302 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:38pm

re: #300 iceweasel

i wait for that every day. Every. Day.

Sounds like yours might go before hers? :-)

303 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:56pm
304 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:58pm

re: #112 CyanSnowHawk

Here's a workable form that follows the Constitutional requirement for enumeration.

1. How many American Citizens reside at this address? ___

That about covers it.

That's all I plan to tell 'em.

305 irish rose  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:19:03pm

re: #300 iceweasel

i wait for that every day. Every. Day.

You and me both.

306 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:19:10pm

re: #262 iceweasel

Very true, and this point is not being made enough.

Also the fact that a politician almost by definition has to be someone who feeds on performance and feedback, like anyone else who makes their living on a stage (musicians, actors). They need the audience; being successful at what they do requires responding to and playing to an audience.

Politicans have affairs partly because their stagecraft is seduction, but also because they have an internal need for adulation.

DING!

One way I've said it for a long time...
The last person I want to be President, is someone who wants to be President.

307 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:19:50pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Here's one of the national tea party blogs praising her insanity.....
Congresswoman Bachmann Grills Geithner & Bernanke

That's insanity? I'm no fan of hers and I don't have time to watch the whole thing right now, but are you suggesting you'd rather she not question them?

Again with the hyperbole, KT. Insanity...really?

308 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:04pm

re: #284 iceweasel

Turgid may not entirely be the right word. Nor interesting.

What would you suggest?

309 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:21pm
310 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:27pm

re: #304 debutaunt

That's all I plan to tell 'em.

Oh my goodness, Bachmann got to you! You have become part of the mainstream conservative movement which are out of their minds, they are loonies. Heaven help us. Please come back.
//////

311 Silvergirl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:36pm

re: #279 Occasional Reader

Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.

/

Maria Belen Shapur

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

312 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:52pm

re: #295 jcm

Releasing your personal information to anyone who asks is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Every year you hear of a couple of non-custodial parents kidnapping their kids from foster care. Not to mention the danger to you from an unhinged parent.

313 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:07pm

re: #300 iceweasel

i wait for that every day. Every. Day.

She's been a huge supporter of Japanese internment during WWII for years. It'll be fascinating to see how she reconciles her position with Bachmann's.

I'm guessing she'll just ignore it, though.

314 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:25pm

re: #313 SixDegrees

She's been a huge supporter of Japanese internment during WWII for years. It'll be fascinating to see how she reconciles her position with Bachmann's.

I'm guessing she'll just ignore it, though.

Did you read her book?

315 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:35pm

re: #292 irish rose

... not here!

Heh. An apartment number by itself gives no information whatsoever. I already knew the rest.

There's a passage in Cryptonomicon where two characters need to prove to each other that they both know the exact location of the hidden treasure. So they agree to write down the last digits of the GPS coordinates on business cards and pass them to each other.

Same principle here. ;^)

316 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:53pm

re: #306 jcm

DING!

One way I've said it for a long time...
The last person I want to be President, is someone who wants to be President.

Another McCain voter huh? /

317 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:59pm

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

Since Sandford is being discussed, I urge those who have not yet seen it to view Preston Sturges' superb film The Great McGinty, which details a man's rise from bum to governor. He prospers as long as he remains completely corrupt, but as soon as he does one honest thing (at the prompting of the wife he married to be more acceptable to the voters), his entire world collapses.

[tapping foot impatiently]

Well?

Aren't you going to give us the lowdown (downlow?) on how many characters in the film were slyly intended to be seen as gay?

318 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:00pm

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

If your form is well filled out, you shouldn't have any trouble.

"They said my form wasn't nearly filled out yet, and I told 'em I'd always been a little sunken-chested..." --Andy Griffith, "What it Was Was Football"

319 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:11pm
320 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:11pm

re: #306 jcm

DING!

One way I've said it for a long time...
The last person I want to be President, is someone who wants to be President.

not coincidentally, that was one of Plato's points in the Republic. The only ones suited to rule are those who have no personal desire to rule, and do so only reluctantly.

321 irish rose  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:26pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Since they don't have a life, they are just trying to find out what one looks like.

/

I left 'em a love note at my place.

322 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:56pm

questions for the 2010 census
[Link: 2010.census.gov...]

Some of the questions on the census forms are intrusive.
People just need to remember that all they have to fill out is the number of people in the household.

the rest is superflous for statistical reasons which any organization can use to their advantage.

323 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:23:08pm

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

And so are misogynist.

Um, it may not have occurred to you, but in my mind a strata/status whore can come in any imaginable sex or gender identity. In ancient Egypt, some of the biggest were the eunuchs.

324 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:23:18pm
325 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:23:35pm

re: #308 John Neverbend

What would you suggest?

Torrid, perhaps?

326 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:24pm
327 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:28pm

Bachmann's gone into overdrive with her nuttiness, rivaling that of Ted Turner.

328 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:29pm

Unrelated -

Is it wrong for me to say that I like the "Evony" ads on the right hand side of the page that seem to have replaced the "Muslima" ads?

Also - when I compare the ads, I have to ask: "What is the attraction of Jihad?" I mean, frustrated adolescent males in western society escape into computer games with well endowed computer generated princesses enticing them to play. It seems that frustrated Muslim males are suckered into terror camps with the enticement that they might "bag" 99 virgins dressed in bags.

/

329 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:35pm

re: #311 Silvergirl

Maria Belen Shapur

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

Some articles have "Chapur". Here she is, allegedly.

Stanford's mistress

330 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:56pm

re: #320 iceweasel

not coincidentally, that was one of Plato's points in the Republic. The only ones suited to rule are those who have no personal desire to rule, and do so only reluctantly.

You sure that wasn't HGTTG?

331 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:25:01pm

re: #324 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, I believe that this film is relatively devoid of such coding. Preston Sturges' films tended to be rollickingly heterosexual.

That would be a great way to identify yourself on the census form.

332 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:25:15pm

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

That's a good one. I haven't seen a Sturges film I haven't liked.

333 Eowyn2  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:25:42pm

re: #236 Mad Al-Jaffee

The worst job I ever had was working for the Census Bureau. In 1990 I had to go to the homes of people who didn't fill in or send in their forms and try to get them to do them. Not a fun job.

me too.
I really wanted the folks to fill them in. We lost a representative in congress because of 90 census.

334 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:25:57pm

re: #327 lawhawk

Bachmann's gone into overdrive with her nuttiness, rivaling that of Ted Turner.

Wow- Ted Turner. Now that's setting the bar pretty high?

335 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:01pm

re: #308 John Neverbend

What would you suggest?

Well, not turgid, because not swollen nor tumescent. And I have a filthy mind, so I always hear that sense of turgid first.

336 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:19pm

re: #326 taxfreekiller

just report you have 50 illegals living in your home and your safe

Only 50? Amateur!

337 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:30pm

re: #274 KingKenrod

I think if you could get accurate data (probably impossible) you would find the politicians cheat less on their spouses than the average public. The reason why is that when a politician gets caught, there are two consequences that ordinary people don't suffer: career destruction and public humiliation. The costs of a politician getting caught are much higher, and the odds of getting caught are much greater as well.

Maybe. I'm not so sure.

There's the "I'm invincible" attitude that seems to develop with power. Much like a prolonged and intensified version of what adolescents believe about their lives.

"I'm governor of SC, dammit! No one's going to mess with me!"

Never mind that, as one commentator said today, SC gives its governor about as much power as a game warden. It's a psychology thang.

338 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:32pm

re: #331 doppelganglander

That would be a great way to identify yourself on the census form.

I don't type this often, but: LOL.

339 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:47pm

re: #323 Cato the Elder

Um, it may not have occurred to you, but in my mind a strata/status whore can come in any imaginable sex or gender identity. In ancient Egypt, some of the biggest were the eunuchs.

That was a side effect of castration.
/

340 Wendya  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:59pm

re: #307 capitalist piglet

That's insanity? I'm no fan of hers and I don't have time to watch the whole thing right now, but are you suggesting you'd rather she not question them?

Again with the hyperbole, KT. Insanity...really?

Someone should be questioning them. I'm just a little uncomfortable with the notion some people hold that if the government does something, we should give them our full trust because... they're the government.

341 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:36pm
342 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:39pm

I will no longer attempt to download anything that's acrobat related. It crashes Firefox.

343 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:50pm

re: #322 Eowyn2

questions for the 2010 census
[Link: 2010.census.gov...]

Some of the questions on the census forms are intrusive.
People just need to remember that all they have to fill out is the number of people in the household.

the rest is superflous for statistical reasons which any organization can use to their advantage.

From the document: Ancestry identifies the ethnic origins of the population. Federal agencies regard this information as essential for fulfilling many important needs. Ancestry is required to enforce provisions under the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination based upon race, sex, religion, and national origin. More generally, these data are needed to measure the social and economic characteristics of ethnic groups and to tailor services to accommodate cultural diff erences.

Wow. Just wow.

344 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:53pm

re: #338 Occasional Reader

I don't type this often, but: LOL.

Thanks. Just trying to tie all the frayed ends of our thread together.

345 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:53pm

re: #321 irish rose

I left 'em a love note at my place.

Please don't feed the animals.

346 horse  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:55pm

re: #56 Ward Cleaver

The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.

Around 11,000 German Americans were detained, with another 4,500 from Latin America. My grandfather, whose mother was from Munich, was questioned several times by the feds, and he was not allowed to join the military due to his heritage. He was lucky he was not associated in any way with the crazy Bund party. Coincidentally, the German immigrant grandfather of a coworker from Honduras was extradited to the USA from Honduras and held for several years in a camp. They never heard from him after he was arrested, but after the war he just showed back up home. He said they never questioned him, he was just bored to near death in the camp waiting for the war to get over so he could go home. This wasn't the scale of what happened to 120,000 Japanese Americans, but it did happen.

347 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:28:02pm
348 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:28:05pm

re: #307 capitalist piglet

The fact that you can't see that she's spouting Paulian gibberish only proves my point that her insanity is becoming mainstream and acceptable.

349 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:28:27pm

re: #329 John Neverbend

Some articles have "Chapur". Here she is, allegedly.

Stanford's mistress

Interesting.

Since she's not a 23 year-old cocktail waitress, I think the media have a little more trouble fitting this into the standard narrative for these things.

350 John Neverbend  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:28:28pm

re: #335 iceweasel

Well, not turgid, because not swollen nor tumescent. And I have a filthy mind, so I always hear that sense of turgid first.

I was using it in the sense of pompous. That's the impression I got from Sanford's emissions (no pun intended), rather than from the lady's responses.

351 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:29:28pm

re: #341 buzzsawmonkey

If you liked O, Brother, Where Art Thou?, then you owe it to yourself to see Sullivan's Travels, from which not only the name of O, Brother...? was taken, but the scene of chain-gang convicts being permitted to watch a film.

I've seen it many times and own the dvd. It's one of my favorite movies.

352 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:30:10pm

re: #343 DaddyG

From the document: Ancestry identifies the ethnic origins of the population. Federal agencies regard this information as essential for fulfilling many important needs. Ancestry is required to enforce provisions under the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination based upon race, sex, religion, and national origin. More generally, these data are needed to measure the social and economic characteristics of ethnic groups and to tailor services to accommodate cultural diff erences.

Wow. Just wow.

translation: please tell us "what" you are so we know how much free stuff you will get.

353 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:30:32pm

re: #349 Occasional Reader

Interesting.

Since she's not a 23 year-old cocktail waitress, I think the media have a little more trouble fitting this into the standard narrative for these things.

I think it supports my theory that Sanford was more interested in love and companionship than just sex. South Carolina is full of 23-year-old cocktail waitresses, but he went all the way to Argentina for this woman.

354 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:31:37pm

This woman is turning out to be a fantastic gift for the Democrats. I expect we'll be seeing a lot of her on TV over the next few years. Good luck with that, GOP.

355 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:31:51pm

Anyone watching the events in Iran should think hard about what we have as rights that keep us from having an abusive government.

I was raised in a LLL Liberal household and it took me many years to understand the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson - the sure fire way to keep an oppressive government at bay is an armed populace.

That isn't the only element of staying free. But it is a critical one because it raises the stakes for any potential tyrant considerably.

Withholding data that the government can find through google maps, on the other hand, is pretty useless.

356 Wendya  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:31:54pm

re: #322 Eowyn2

questions for the 2010 census
[Link: 2010.census.gov...]

Some of the questions on the census forms are intrusive.
People just need to remember that all they have to fill out is the number of people in the household.

the rest is superflous for statistical reasons which any organization can use to their advantage.

Gee, why wouldn't anyone want ACORN to have access to that kind of information.

/

357 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:31:57pm

re: #353 doppelganglander

I think it supports my theory that Sanford was more interested in love and companionship than just sex. South Carolina is full of 23-year-old cocktail waitresses, but he went all the way to Argentina for this woman.

Sounds like a classic case of letting the little head do the thinking when he should have been using the larger one up on his neck. tsk tsk tsk

358 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #354 Jimmah

This woman is turning out to be a fantastic gift for the Democrats. I expect we'll be seeing a lot of her on TV over the next few years. Good luck with that, GOP.

I think he'll resign and retire from public life, and that will be the end of it.

359 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #354 Jimmah

This woman is turning out to be a fantastic gift for the Democrats. I expect we'll be seeing a lot of her on TV over the next few years. Good luck with that, GOP.

Maybe she can flameout with a sex scandal.

360 KingKenrod  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #337 Cato the Elder

Maybe. I'm not so sure.

There's the "I'm invincible" attitude that seems to develop with power. Much like a prolonged and intensified version of what adolescents believe about their lives.

"I'm governor of SC, dammit! No one's going to mess with me!"

Never mind that, as one commentator said today, SC gives its governor about as much power as a game warden. It's a psychology thang.

That's a good point. I made the mistake of thinking politicians remain rational once they gain power.

361 horse  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:33:18pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.

You discredit yourself with that and the prior statement. Seriously, what you typed is nothing but ad hominem nonsense.

362 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:33:28pm

re: #353 doppelganglander

I think it supports my theory that Sanford was more interested in love and companionship than just sex. South Carolina is full of 23-year-old cocktail waitresses, but he went all the way to Argentina for this woman.

I agree. This does not, of course, excuse the infidelity, but it puts it in a very different light as compared to, say, Bubba's antics in the White House.

363 MJ  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:33:29pm

re: #293 Nevergiveup

Obama names Dennis Ross Mideast advisor
Published: 06.25.09, 23:02 / Israel News
Veteran diplomat Dennis Ross has been officially named US President Barack Obama's Middle East advisor.

Ross will be part of the National Security Council and will oversee the Middle East, the Persian Gulf and south Asia, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan. (Yitzhak Benhorin, Washington)

This is what is called being "buried". Since Mitchell and Richard Holbrooke already head up these 2 portfolios, Ross who has been fired from The Iran desk is being stuck in some deep dark hole. And as I have said before, I don't particularly like Ross, but he was the best of a bad group.

It could end up being better though since he'll be in the White House as opposed to State.
It's quite obvious by now that Hillary has been frozen out of the Middle East "peace process". Actually, she's been frozen out of nearly all foreign policy at this point in time. Might as well call her William Rodgers at this point.
Being in the WH will give Ross better access to Obama though Obama's main Middle East policy advisor isn't at the WH, yet. Rahsid Khalidi is Minister without Portfolio for this White House.

364 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:33:41pm

re: #267 jwb7605

Why did Charles make great big post numbers? Does he think I'm getting senile?

/Only you know the answer to that.

365 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:34:20pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

I think he'll resign and retire from public life, and that will be the end of it.

Wait, you were talking about Bachman, weren't you? In that case, you are probably right.

366 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:34:36pm

re: #362 Occasional Reader

I agree. This does not, of course, excuse the infidelity, but it puts it in a very different light as compared to, say, Bubba's antics in the White House.

But, unlike Slick Willie, the Governors career in politics is more or less over.

367 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:35:11pm

re: #362 Occasional Reader

This does not, of course, excuse the infidelity

... or the much worse offense (given his position), from a political perspective, of simply disappearing for five days.

368 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:35:27pm
369 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:35:45pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

The fact that you can't see that she's spouting Paulian gibberish only proves my point that her insanity is becoming mainstream and acceptable.

She is spouting old-line populist/conspiratorial/anti-government/nativist gibberish, some of which Ron Paul also spouts.

But, frankly, she sounds more like LaRouche than the crazy uncle.

370 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:36:14pm

re: #342 Dianna

I will no longer attempt to download anything that's acrobat related. It crashes Firefox.

Maybe try gymnastics instead?

371 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:36:36pm

re: #353 doppelganglander
Easy to fall in love when it is all mature conversation and time for romance. Not so easy when there are 4 small boys vying for your wives attention, demands on your time from job, friends, wife, homeowners problems etc. This Argentina thing is a fairy tale.

372 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:36:37pm

re: #352 Desert Dog

translation: please tell us "what" you are so we know how much free stuff you will get.

More goodies from the instructions of the 2010 Census:

These data are used, in conjunction practices of governmental subdivisions with the Public Health Service Act, to assist states and local agencies with developing health care and other services tailored to the language and cultural diversity of the foreign-born.

373 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:37:15pm
374 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:38:24pm
375 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:38:32pm

re: #366 Desert Dog

But, unlike Slick Willie, the Governors career in politics is more or less over.

Shoulda learnt his lesson and got the State Police to find his bimbos for him. /

376 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:38:47pm

re: #157 Occasional Reader

(This was around the time we also learned, to our astonishment, that there's no such letter in the alphabet as "elemeno". My Very First Misheard Song Lyric.)

Me, I thought it was elemenopee. Like my Uncle Ulysses' wife, Aunt Penelope.

377 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:39:34pm

re: #374 buzzsawmonkey

re: #363 MJ

Dennis Ross's job is going to be to persuade Netanyahu to accept and implement the offer/concessions that Ehud Barak made to Arafat--which Arafat turned down.

Ross was working on brokering that deal at the time, and he will be saddled with the task of reviving it.

And probably with a few extra goodies that Obama thinks are fair?

378 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:39:39pm

re: #369 Dianna

She is spouting old-line populist/conspiratorial/anti-government/nativist gibberish, some of which Ron Paul also spouts.

But, frankly, she sounds more like LaRouche than the crazy uncle.

That will not fit KT's narrative that Republicans are evil kooks as Lyndon was a Dem.

379 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:40:05pm

re: #350 John Neverbend

I was using it in the sense of pompous. That's the impression I got from Sanford's emissions (no pun intended), rather than from the lady's responses.

oh, I knew how you meant it! Just teasing.

And kudos for not only working 'emissions' into your answer, but also a ref to 'the lady's responses'.

380 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:40:27pm
381 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:40:29pm

Well, off to the post office. I may even get on the road tonight!

382 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:40:54pm

re: #375 DaddyG

Shoulda learnt his lesson and got the State Police to find his bimbos for him. /

Or, he should have visited a nearby Trailer Park with a fishing pole and a $50 bill to quote Jim Carville

383 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:41:22pm

re: #378 Desert Dog

That will not fit KT's narrative that Republicans are evil kooks as Lyndon was a Dem.

KT's narrative - not quite the right word, but I'll use it - is that the insane are taking over the asylum. This is on the order of an obsession, it's not a narrative, come to think of it.

Frankly, I think he's been looking at this too long, and is seeing Paulians under the bed.

384 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:41:26pm

re: #369 Dianna

I'm sure there's some Larouche and Birch society stuff in there but it's pretty much in line with Ron Paul's position that the Federal reserve is an unconstitutional entity. That's why you see so many "end the Fed" signs at Tea Parties and Ron Paul rallies. One of his core policies is to end the fed and go back to the gold standard.

385 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:41:41pm

re: #379 iceweasel

oh, I knew how you meant it! Just teasing.

And kudos for not only working 'emissions' into your answer, but also a ref to 'the lady's responses'.

If he only that had been post #1000, aka "The G Spot".

386 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:41:57pm

Anyone paid any attention to Reuters lately?

It seems that our drone attacks are suddenly much more accurate since Obama took office. Such that they can inflict mass casualties yet not one of them being anything but Taliban militants.

Not even "alleged" militants - the drone munitions must have an on board multi-stage judicial process capability where the targets get arrested, booked, charged, tried and convicted prior to the impact of the ordinance.

Wow.


U.S. drone strike kills 45 in Pakistan
Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:52pm EDT

By Alamgir Bitani

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - A U.S. drone killed at least 45 Pakistani Taliban militants on Tuesday when it struck after a funeral of an insurgent commander killed earlier in the day, Pakistani intelligence officials said.

U.S. ally Pakistan officially objects to the strikes by pilotless U.S. aircraft though the attack came as the Pakistani army is preparing an offensive against Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan on the Afghan border.

The military went on the offensive against Taliban fighters allied with Mehsud in the Swat Valley, northwest of Islamabad, in May and are in the final phase of that operation.

The next target is Mehsud.

"Three missiles were fired by drones as people were dispersing after offering funeral prayers for Niaz Wali," one intelligence official said referring to a Taliban commander who was one of six militants killed in an earlier drone attack.

Bush was such an idiot - his drone attacks always killed wedding parties and left behind unexploded Russian artillery rounds.

387 subsailor68  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:42:25pm

re: #372 DaddyG

More goodies from the instructions of the 2010 Census:

These data are used, in conjunction practices of governmental subdivisions with the Public Health Service Act, to assist states and local agencies with developing health care and other services tailored to the language and cultural diversity of the foreign-born.

Hi DaddyG! My question for the bureaucrat who wrote that section is quite simple:

I see. Now would you please explain to me how that applies to the Constitution's definition of the census as the means to enumerate the population for the purpose of apportioning representatives to the House of Representatives?

388 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:42:29pm

re: #353 doppelganglander

South Carolina is full of 23-year-old cocktail waitresses, but he went all the way to Argentina for this woman.

I've lived in South Carolina. Perhaps he just has a full set of teeth fetish? /

389 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:42:57pm

re: #383 Dianna

is that the insane are taking over the asylum

And don't think we're trying to bad (NO!)
We're the lunatic fringe
that's rusted the hinge
on Uncle Sam's daughters & sons

-Alice Cooper

390 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:12pm

re: #327 lawhawk

Bachmann's gone into overdrive with her nuttiness, rivaling that of Ted Turner.

People pushin', people shovin', and the girl's still tryin to look pretty....

391 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:18pm

re: #385 Occasional Reader

If he only that had been post #1000, aka "The G Spot".

392 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:27pm

re: #383 Dianna

I know what I'm talking about and it's all easily verifiable. Listen this is just turning into a squabble so I'll leave you guys to it.
Later.

393 Gearhead  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:32pm

re: #372 DaddyG

More goodies from the instructions of the 2010 Census:

These data are used, in conjunction practices of governmental subdivisions with the Public Health Service Act, to assist states and local agencies with developing health care and other services tailored to the language and cultural diversity of the foreign-born.

I'm waiting for the "Office of Anglo-Saxon Outreach" to open up any day now.

394 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:34pm
395 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:40pm

re: #378 Desert Dog

That will not fit KT's narrative that Republicans are evil kooks as Lyndon was a Dem.

What does he care? He didn't vote for McCain, he's 'fucking happy now.'

396 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:12pm

re: #386 karmic_inquisitor

Anyone paid any attention to Reuters lately?

It seems that our drone attacks are suddenly much more accurate since Obama took office. Such that they can inflict mass casualties yet not one of them being anything but Taliban militants.

Not even "alleged" militants - the drone munitions must have an on board multi-stage judicial process capability where the targets get arrested, booked, charged, tried and convicted prior to the impact of the ordinance.

Wow.

Bush was such an idiot - his drone attacks always killed wedding parties and left behind unexploded Russian artillery rounds.

Yes, these new and improved missiles only hit bad guys and are much better than the old GWB ones

397 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:20pm

re: #354 Jimmah

This woman is turning out to be a fantastic gift for the Democrats. I expect we'll be seeing a lot of her on TV over the next few years. Good luck with that, GOP.

If the left or progressives get to decide, it will be all bachmann all the time on the teevee.

398 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:33pm
399 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:35pm

re: #371 snowcrash

Easy to fall in love when it is all mature conversation and time for romance. Not so easy when there are 4 small boys vying for your wives attention, demands on your time from job, friends, wife, homeowners problems etc. This Argentina thing is a fairy tale.

Spot on.

400 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:51pm

re: #5 Charles

I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?

That's Michelle Malkin's stance, at least. Not sure about other pundits.

It's a tough call. In "total war" (which is what WWII was), extreme measures are often necessary. What FDR did in the 1940s was child's play compared to what Lincoln did in the 1860s (another era of "total war"), when he basically suspended the Constitution wholesale, and got rid of habeas corpus, which meant summary imprisonment and executions with no trial, etc.

Ex post facto armchair quarterbacking is a futile exercise. FDR thought there were Japanese spies and Japanese sympathizers among the Japanese community. But there was no way to tell who was who, and no time to go through a laborious screening process. So in the interest of national security, he locked up all Japanese in coastal regions (note: inland Japanese were not interned) because they could potentially aid in a Japanese invasion of the US homeland, which many thought was imminent (at least until Midway).

And it turns out FDR was right -- we now know there were (at least a few) Japanese agents intermingled with the general Japanese-American population, and there were many more sympathizers toward the Imperial Japanese government, who, although not officially "spies," were at great risk of aiding any potential future invasion when it happened. (Those who admitted to this, called "The No-No Boys" because they answered "No" to both questions on a loyalty-to-the-US oath) ended up at a special cap in Tule Lake for high-risk internees -- a camp which eventually became overcrowded, there were so many sympathizers.)

And those spies? They were caught in the net, interned, and were neutralized as a threat.

We look back now and think FDR was being racist, but at the time it would have seemed suicidal to let hundreds of thousands of potential enemy sympathizers living amongst the general population during a time of total war and during a time of great risk of invasion. The subsequent discovery that FDR's suspicions were to some degree confirmed only makes it harder to gainsay his decision.

I knew a lot of internees growing up, and the vast majority of them in fact did NOT have hard feelings about it. The older ones felt it was their patriotic duty to help the US war effort.

Remember, the US government has since not only officially apologized to all internees, but also paid them all substantial reparations (in a bill sponsored by Sen. Inouye). The financial losses suffered by Japanese-American families was not at the hands of the US government, but rather done by unscrupulous non-Japanese US citizens, who occupied and stole away Japanese property -- or more commonly bought it at greatly discounted prices -- while their owners were not around to intervene. That part of the story is more shameful than what the government itself did.

Personally, I would award each detainee a retroactive medal for bravery and duty in wartime, doing their part (albeit in a very unorthodox way) to aid the US war effort at the time.

But I personally do not fault FDR too much. There were in fact plans for Japanese spies in the US to help coordinate the invasion (of Long Beach harbor, specifically). The invasion never happened (thanks entirely to the incredible brilliance of the US Navy), but that doesn't mean it wasn't on the drawing table.

401 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:54pm

re: #388 DaddyG

I've lived in South Carolina. Perhaps he just has a full set of teeth fetish? /

Hey, hey, now... I've seen plenty of lovely South Carolinian gals melting on the beach in North Myrtle Beach, who had all their teeth, plus lots of other delightful assets.

402 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:45:08pm

re: #392 Killgore Trout
Nice Flounce Killjoy.

403 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:45:29pm

re: #397 iceweasel

If the left or progressives get to decide, it will be all bachmann all the time on the teevee.

That's not fair....they will rotate Gov. Sanford in there as well, come on!

404 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:45:37pm
405 KingKenrod  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:45:48pm

Speaking of LaRouche, I saw three young LaRouche supporters fund raising outside a local post office on tax day. I was surprised to see them as I thought the LaRouche douche bags had died out a long time ago.

406 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:46:16pm

special cap in Tule Lake = special camp in Tule Lake

407 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:46:50pm

re: #388 DaddyG

I've lived in South Carolina. Perhaps he just has a full set of teeth fetish? /

I spent a few days in Lexington once and I swear, I never saw so many enormously fat people in all my life. But the young girls are often very cute and blond.

408 doubter4444  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:46:50pm

re: #27 ckb

I think it's a good example of how census data can be used in ways it was not intended to be used.

I hope it's completely irrelevant, but how can we be sure?

Please, please tell us you forgot the slashies on that comment!

409 itellu3times  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:01pm

re: #374 buzzsawmonkey

Dennis Ross's job is going to be to persuade Netanyahu to accept and implement the offer/concessions that Ehud Barak made to Arafat--which Arafat turned down.

Thank you for the most depressing post of the day.

410 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:12pm

re: #401 Occasional Reader

Hey, hey, now... I've seen plenty of lovely South Carolinian gals melting on the beach in North Myrtle Beach, who had all their teeth, plus lots of other delightful assets.


That's why you've got to marry them young in the South. /

(...digging myself deeper but I can't help it)

411 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:14pm

Look at you silly weak horse Americans pointing fingers at each other.
HAHAHAHAHA!
And now you have a milk-toast leader!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!

/but Beck is a wacko, and the hard right is wacko, and Tea Parties have fringe elements! but, ok, mmmmmmmmm donuts........zzzzzzzzzzzz

412 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:18pm

re: #402 DaddyG

Nice Flounce Killjoy.

It's part of the standard afternoon flounce. Not to be confused with the early evening flounce, which is more difficult to do, considering the lack of direct sunlight.

413 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:18pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

I think he'll resign and retire from public life, and that will be the end of it.

I'm predicting he'll quietly serve out the rest of his term and fade away after that.

414 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:49:16pm
415 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:49:16pm

Symbols of communism and marijuana and a prediction that "capitalism will fail" aren't exactly the sort of end-of-year messages you'd expect from an eighth grader.

But that's precisely what some students at the Black Pine Circle School, a private school in Berkeley, Calif., chose to include in their "Class of 2007" mosaic

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Black Pine Circle bills itself as a day school where students from kindergarten through eighth grade will be "maximally free of all the 'isms' which pervade most aspects of the world around them: from racism to sexism to the less obvious forms of discrimination," according to its Web site.

Why does the name "Berkeley" ring a bell or 2?

416 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:49:34pm
417 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #400 zombie

Good, and informative post.

There was also the example of the Niihau Incident, to throw into the mix.

418 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

It's part of the standard afternoon flounce. Not to be confused with the early evening flounce, which is more difficult to do, considering the lack of direct sunlight.

Hi Walter..How are you today?
Got a surprise for you...

419 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:05pm

re: #369 Dianna

But, frankly, she sounds more like LaRouche than the crazy uncle.

I'll buy that when she starts talking about the 'Eurasian Land Bridge' and the evils of the British monarchy.

420 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:06pm

re: #415 Nevergiveup

Symbols of communism and marijuana and a prediction that "capitalism will fail" aren't exactly the sort of end-of-year messages you'd expect from an eighth grader.

But that's precisely what some students at the Black Pine Circle School, a private school in Berkeley, Calif., chose to include in their "Class of 2007" mosaic

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Black Pine Circle bills itself as a day school where students from kindergarten through eighth grade will be "maximally free of all the 'isms' which pervade most aspects of the world around them: from racism to sexism to the less obvious forms of discrimination," according to its Web site.

Why does the name "Berkeley" ring a bell or 2?

Hey, that's my story! Woo-hoo!

421 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:20pm

re: #402 DaddyG

Nice Flounce Killjoy.

At least he didn't downding Dianna on his way out.

422 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:29pm

Micheal Jackson rushed to hospital with "Cardiac Arrest"? I'll refrain from commenting

423 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:46pm
424 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:58pm

re: #400 zombie

The real injustice, however, came from the confiscation of property.

It wasn't actually confiscated. Due process of sorts was involved. For example, a property could be declared as abandoned and put up for auction. Or if the mortgage went unpaid (and they did) houses were foreclosed on and the contents sold.

My Mom grew up in Watsonville, CA and there were many Japanese families who lost their farms there. Anyone familiar with the area may remember Okamura's market. the Okamura's lost their farm while interned. They still proudly put out the American flag everyday, however.

Anyways, as usual Zombie, you bring the rich complexity of the issue to the fore rather than allowing people to choose a cleanly adopted moral stance which distance and ignorance conspire to allow.

425 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:51:04pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

I live to serve.

I'll take a vodka martini.

426 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:51:41pm

re: #415 Nevergiveup Check out the credits on those photos...

Congrats Zombie!

427 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:51:48pm

re: #418 HoosierHoops

Hi Walter..How are you today?
Got a surprise for you...

Fine. I love surprises. What is it, what is it... ?

428 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:51:59pm

re: #403 Desert Dog

That's not fair....they will rotate Gov. Sanford in there as well, come on!

Heh....to be fair, Sanford's face will only be one of many Republican faces shown, in a montage that talks about how republicans are family values hypocrites, many of whom screamed for Clinton to be impeached and/or railed against gay marriage...while somehow winding up having affairs, or soliciting boys over the internet, or busted in men's rooms soliciting anonymous sex...

The list is long and sordid. The ad has written itself (and probably already exists somewhere)

429 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:19pm

re: #413 ShanghaiEd
Ed, Sanfords calls that Clinton step down following Lewinski scandal will dog him. He is a slow bleed and should resign now.

430 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:36pm

Bachmann says she's not implying, she's not suggesting, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, .... and I say that's bullshit. She's very deliberately milking the Derangement cow for all it's worth.

I'm not saying there may, or may not be, a problem with the Census.
I'm commenting on my sixth sense of where Bachmann's coming from.

"America has no native criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress." -- Mark Twain

431 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:36pm

re: #422 Nevergiveup

Micheal Jackson rushed to hospital with "Cardiac Arrest"? I'll refrain from commenting

Link?

432 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:38pm

re: #405 KingKenrod

Speaking of LaRouche, I saw three young LaRouche supporters fund raising outside a local post office on tax day. I was surprised to see them as I thought the LaRouche douche bags had died out a long time ago.

Nah, they're going from strength to strength. What they did was kick out all the LINO's. They may be smaller in number than they used to be now, but they've attained 'purity', and are ready for victory!///

433 Wendya  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:42pm

re: #415 Nevergiveup

Symbols of communism and marijuana and a prediction that "capitalism will fail" aren't exactly the sort of end-of-year messages you'd expect from an eighth grader.

But that's precisely what some students at the Black Pine Circle School, a private school in Berkeley, Calif., chose to include in their "Class of 2007" mosaic

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Black Pine Circle bills itself as a day school where students from kindergarten through eighth grade will be "maximally free of all the 'isms' which pervade most aspects of the world around them: from racism to sexism to the less obvious forms of discrimination," according to its Web site.

Why does the name "Berkeley" ring a bell or 2?

Sounds like the school Obama's mom attended.

434 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:48pm

re: #420 zombie

Hey, that's my story! Woo-hoo!

Hey, that's my story! Woo-hoo!

PIMF

435 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:52pm

re: #426 DaddyG

Check out the credits on those photos...

Congrats Zombie!

Congrates Zombie- I just noticed. Great job

436 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:01pm
437 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:12pm

re: #431 unrealizedviewpoint

Link?

FOX TV

438 SixDegrees  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:14pm

re: #386 karmic_inquisitor

Anyone paid any attention to Reuters lately?

It seems that our drone attacks are suddenly much more accurate since Obama took office. Such that they can inflict mass casualties yet not one of them being anything but Taliban militants.

Not even "alleged" militants - the drone munitions must have an on board multi-stage judicial process capability where the targets get arrested, booked, charged, tried and convicted prior to the impact of the ordinance.

Wow.

Bush was such an idiot - his drone attacks always killed wedding parties and left behind unexploded Russian artillery rounds.

Even stranger - a few days ago, a missile attack offed a bunch of bad guys. Yesterday, another missile attack killed a few more who were attending the funeral services of those killed in the first attack. And the strategy of targeting the funeral was apparently deliberate, done knowing that more bad guys would show up for it.

Compare and contrast this with the howling that would have commenced had this happened a year ago.

439 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:23pm

re: #400 zombie

I am a fifth generation Californian (living in AZ). My Grandparents told me that a family down the block from them was interned. They lived in Alameda at the time. My Grandmother was certain the Japs (her word) would invade California. She told me after Pearl Harbor and the first couple battles in the Pacific, they did "invasion drills" and air raid drills. Their house was close to the Naval base. There was a sense of panic and fear in California in 1942-1943.

It is easy to judge the past from the present. I think most people agree it was an overreaction. But, at the time, it was something that normally decent and upright people felt they had to do. A different time than today, for sure

440 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:29pm

re: #434 zombie

Hey, that's my story! Woo-hoo!

PIMF

You don't "own" that story, fascist! Information wants to be free!

//

441 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:49pm

re: #437 Nevergiveup

thanx

442 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:54:41pm

re: #415 Nevergiveup

Symbols of communism and marijuana and a prediction that "capitalism will fail" aren't exactly the sort of end-of-year messages you'd expect from an eighth grader.

But that's precisely what some students at the Black Pine Circle School, a private school in Berkeley, Calif., chose to include in their "Class of 2007" mosaic

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Black Pine Circle bills itself as a day school where students from kindergarten through eighth grade will be "maximally free of all the 'isms' which pervade most aspects of the world around them: from racism to sexism to the less obvious forms of discrimination," according to its Web site.

Why does the name "Berkeley" ring a bell or 2?

Because Zombie posted it earlier saying Fox was going to use her stuff for an article?

443 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:55:49pm

re: #425 Occasional Reader

I'll take a vodka martini.

He meant tennis balls.

444 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:55:52pm

re: #427 Walter L. Newton

Fine. I love surprises. What is it, what is it... ?

I bought more money.. This time I wanted ironic money... I purchased a bunch of bank notes from the central bank of Kenya...And some Cayman island notes.. I'm going to mail you some....payback for the meteorite you sent me..
Thanks again

445 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:55:54pm

re: #405 KingKenrod

Speaking of LaRouche, I saw three young LaRouche supporters fund raising outside a local post office on tax day. I was surprised to see them as I thought the LaRouche douche bags had died out a long time ago.

I occasionally see them in DC.

446 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:56:16pm

re: #428 iceweasel Yeah, they should have learned from Barney Frank and Bill Clinton. Espouse values like running male prostitution rings and trolling for bimbos - then you can act without fear of political backlash. / (sort of)

447 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:56:35pm

Flash: Michael Jackson taken to hospital with possible heart attack.

Wait - can't be true. It is on FoxNews.

448 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:02pm

re: #399 doppelganglander

In the case of Gov. and Mrs. Sanford? No money worries..they are millionaires, and she is, in her own right.

449 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:05pm

re: #407 doppelganglander

I spent a few days in Lexington once and I swear, I never saw so many enormously fat people in all my life. But the young girls are often very cute and blond.

You haven't been to Disneyland lately. I was there Monday and Tuesday (B-Day) and don't recall seeing so many rather large people in the crowd.

450 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:39pm

re: #430 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bachmann says she's not implying, she's not suggesting, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, .... and I say that's bullshit. She's very deliberately milking the Derangement cow for all it's worth.

I'm not saying there may, or may not be, a problem with the Census.
I'm commenting on my sixth sense of where Bachmann's coming from.

"America has no native criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress." -- Mark Twain

The little red 'Danger! Alex Jones' light on the console of my bullshit detector started flashing as soon as I started watching that clip.

451 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #444 HoosierHoops

I bought more money.. This time I wanted ironic money... I purchased a bunch of bank notes from the central bank of Kenya...And some Cayman island notes.. I'm going to mail you some....payback for the meteorite you sent me..
Thanks again

Nice. Thanks, although I won't accept them as payback, just a gift, ok?

452 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:53pm

re: #384 Killgore Trout

I'm sure there's some Larouche and Birch society stuff in there but it's pretty much in line with Ron Paul's position that the Federal reserve is an unconstitutional entity. That's why you see so many "end the Fed" signs at Tea Parties and Ron Paul rallies. One of his core policies is to end the fed and go back to the gold standard.

I didn't see but one such sign. I remember that Ringo the Gringo found a nest of them at one Tea Party, though. The "Constitution Party" had flyers about the evil of the Federal Reserve at their table (though the language was muted), but of course they are the new incarnation of the Birchers.

And, sorry, but it's an old idea. One which the Birchers seized upon back in the cold war, LaRouche constantly harks back to, and RP (both of 'em, come to think of it!) also uses. It's always been popular in certain circles - some of them Democrat, some of them simply lunatic. Heck, you can trace it right back to Andrew Jackson and the death of the first Bank of the United States.

The conflict is very old. Hamilton vs. Jefferson in the very first administration is a fine example.

453 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:59pm

re: #432 Jimmah

Nah, they're going from strength to strength. What they did was kick out all the LINO's. They may be smaller in number than they used to be now, but they've attained 'purity', and are ready for victory!///

So kind of like the advocacy of Republicans kicking out the socons that so many here espouse.

454 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:58:03pm

re: #415 Nevergiveup

That's the story zombie posted about earlier. They got some of the images from zombie's blog.

455 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:58:07pm
456 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:58:14pm

re: #448 NY Nana
Nana, the wife is the Skil tool heiress?

457 Flyers1974  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:03pm

re: #405 KingKenrod

Speaking of LaRouche, I saw three young LaRouche supporters fund raising outside a local post office on tax day. I was surprised to see them as I thought the LaRouche douche bags had died out a long time ago.

He must have been hounded for that last name when he was a kid. Maybe that explains things.

458 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:17pm

re: #419 Jimmah

I'll buy that when she starts talking about the 'Eurasian Land Bridge' and the evils of the British monarchy.

She may have better sense than to do so on camera, but I bet if you got a couple drinks into her in a receptive environment, she might.

459 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:20pm

re: #442 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because Zombie posted it earlier saying Fox was going to use her stuff for an article?

I missed that, my comment was a play on the notorious liberal college located in Berkeley.

460 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:23pm

re: #453 OldLineTexan

So kind of like the advocacy of Republicans kicking out the socons that so many here espouse.

Why yes, indeed. That is a valid comparison, come to think of it ;-)

461 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:24pm

re: #430 pre-Boomer Marine brat

very deliberately milking the Derangement cow

That could rotate.

462 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:44pm

re: #446 DaddyG

Yeah, they should have learned from Barney Frank and Bill Clinton. Espouse values like running male prostitution rings and trolling for bimbos - then you can act without fear of political backlash. / (sort of)

hey, I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation about how it will shake out.

"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.

463 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:00:14pm

re: #422 Nevergiveup

Micheal Jackson rushed to hospital with "Cardiac Arrest"? I'll refrain from commenting

Please don't let him die on the same day as Farrah.

464 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:00:48pm

re: #392 Killgore Trout

I know what I'm talking about and it's all easily verifiable. Listen this is just turning into a squabble so I'll leave you guys to it.
Later.

No, KT. You're obsessed, and I don't think it's healthy.

465 GGMac  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:01:11pm

re: #9 reloadingisnotahobby

Does anyone actually know what the Census form will ask?
# of people in the house hold is all there getting from me!
Which at present stands at............33.....oh! make that 37...
The cat just had a litter......

Check out the U.S. Census web site. Recently a "dry-run" form was sent to 3 million households. Among the information required to be provided: what kind of car you drive & its' age; all phone numbers, including cell phones; name and address of your employer; how long it takes you to get to work, AND the exact hour and minute you leave home to go to work; your income; and on and on. "Person #1" is required to provide all of the same information for every person living in the dwelling. Bachmann's point was/is that the information required to be supplied is of a very personal and private nature, and besides being none of the government's business, will be being collected, at Obamas's behest, and under the arm of the executive branch, by thousands of ACORN members - an organization which has something like 13 chapters under indictment for fraud. Who in their right mind wants ACORN in possession of their personal information? Bachmann inquired about what would happen if one refused to fill out all the questions, and was told the census-taker would return 6 times; if you still refused to provide all the required information, they would thsn go to your neighbors to find out whatever they could from them. If you absolutely refuse to provide all information, you can be fined $5000. She felt the information-gathering tactics in place for the census were similar to what was done during WWII to round up Japanese for internment camps.
Her specific point, and justified concern, is that minions of ACORN workers will be the first-line recipients of all of our personal information - not the least of which is our SS#s.

At the U.S. Census site, you can download the questionnaire and peruse it at your liesure. Just google: U.S. Census.

466 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:01:14pm

re: #460 Jimmah

Why yes, indeed. That is a valid comparison, come to think of it ;-)

Yes, it is, isn't it?

I am going to invent a knife that cuts irony ... I rather need one.

467 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:01:20pm

re: #431 unrealizedviewpoint

Link?

Just heard it on the radio....

468 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:01pm
469 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:05pm

re: #434 zombie

Hey, that's my story! Woo-hoo!

PIMF

And it looks like they snagged at least three of your pics, is there copyright on your blog - if so I didn't see the notice?

470 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:11pm
471 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:18pm

re: #458 Dianna

She may have better sense than to do so on camera, but I bet if you got a couple drinks into her in a receptive environment, she might.

She doesn't have better sense than to say ANYTHING. She has demonstrated that fully already!

472 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:19pm

re: #462 iceweasel

hey, I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation about how it will shake out.

"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.

People weren't "bloviating" that Clinton deserved to be impeached because he got a BJ from an Intern ( although the security implications of that are appalling ) but MORE SO because he LIED under oath and in front of the American People.

473 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:24pm

re: #463 CyanSnowHawk

Please don't let him die on the same day as Farrah.


That would be a bad trend for skinny white women who were popular in the 70's and 80s.

474 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:25pm

re: #462 iceweasel

No, Barney was too busy denying the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae coming implosion.

475 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:36pm
476 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:59pm

re: #470 buzzsawmonkey

Won't a Ginsu Knife do that?

They've all been interned.

477 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:03:01pm

re: #462 iceweasel

hey, I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation about how it will shake out.

"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.

What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....

478 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:03:24pm

re: #420 zombie

Hey, that's my story! Woo-hoo!

Congrats, zombie!

From the article - richness beyond belief:

"They wouldn't allow a swastika symbol," she said. "It shows where the school's standards lie. /blockquote>

Hey, class! Let's do a body count of nazism vs. communism and then talk about the school's wonderful "standards."

479 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:03:51pm

re: #468 jcm

Michael Jackson -- Cardiac Arrest

TMZ says paramedics performing CPR on way to hospital. Not a good sign if true.

480 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:03:53pm

re: #473 DaddyG

That would be a bad trend for skinny white women who were popular in the 70's and 80s.

Oooh, that's bad! But I still laughed.

481 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:04:09pm

Obama has finally decided to set his foot down over a Congressional bill

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. House of Representatives was poised to approve on Thursday a $550.4 billion defense authorization bill for fiscal 2010 that has drawn a veto threat from President Barack Obama because it contains money for fighter jets he does not want.

The bill also authorizes $130 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in the fiscal year that begins October 1.

482 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:05:06pm

re: #475 Sharmuta

Wow

Hi Sharm! I wonder if the 80's and 90's were tough on him. Most musicians were doing serious coke and drugs then...
Well I hope he recovers...It could really change his life for the better

483 avanti  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:05:18pm

re: #462 iceweasel

hey, I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values.

I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation about how it will shake out.

"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.

Exactly, Clinton's popularity was the highest of any post war's president's second term and that was after the BJ.

484 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:05:29pm

re: #449 CyanSnowHawk

You haven't been to Disneyland lately. I was there Monday and Tuesday (B-Day) and don't recall seeing so many rather large people in the crowd before.

PIMF

485 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:04pm

re: #477 eschew_obfuscation

What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....

Because liberals rarely have any family values.

486 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:04pm

re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama has finally decided to set his foot down over a Congressional bill

It took a lot of political courage to do that......NOT

487 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:05pm

re: #483 avanti

Exactly, Clinton's popularity was the highest of any post war's president's second term and that was after the BJ.

I bet your proud of that ha?

488 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:06pm

re: #478 Russkilitlover

But they meant well. Its just that the obvious answer to make sure wealth is spread fairly is to make sure you have fewer people to divide it with.

/

489 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:30pm

re: #432 Jimmah

Nah, they're going from strength to strength. What they did was kick out all the LINO's. They may be smaller in number than they used to be now, but they've attained 'purity', and are ready for victory!///

Oh, well done! I love it!

490 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:01pm

re: #464 Dianna

No, KT. You're obsessed, and I don't think it's healthy.

The more folks here point out Killgore's obsession, the worse it gets.
Maybe we need back off?
/

491 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #483 avanti

Exactly, Clinton's popularity was the highest of any post war's president's second term and that was after the BJ.

And let's revisit this again. Was he up for impeachment for a blow job or lying?

492 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:10pm

re: #479 unrealizedviewpoint

TMZ says paramedics performing CPR on way to hospital. Not a good sign if true.

Seattle has high numbers of people who know CPR and excellent EMS system, we only get about 30% survival if CPR is done.

493 Wendya  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #462 iceweasel


But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment

Nor did they think perjury deserved impeachment.

494 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #472 Nevergiveup

People weren't "bloviating" that Clinton deserved to be impeached because he got a BJ from an Intern ( although the security implications of that are appalling ) but MORE SO because he LIED under oath and in front of the American People.

Yes, I'm quite aware that the standard excuse for the witchhunt now is " He lied under oath!"

Unfortunately, that rationale forgets that the Lewisnsky scandal was only dug up AFTER years of grubbing around trying to make a big deal out of TravelGate, WhiteWater, god knows what else didn't pan out.

Sure, Clinton lied under oath. After years of people trying to dig up shit on him for every little thing. He lied about a blowjob. Shock, horror. I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man.

PS: BTW, they may well have been something odd about the real estate deals. But we'll never know now, because we all had to know about that stain on Monica's dress. Thank a republican for that.

495 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:08:12pm

re: #491 Walter L. Newton

And let's revisit this again. Was he up for impeachment for a blow job or lying?

Prejury, not just lying. Prejury, a felony.

496 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:08:12pm

re: #483 avanti

Exactly, Clinton's popularity was the highest of any post war's president's second term and that was after the BJ.

He was the BEST President we ever had....well, up until now....

/

497 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:08:27pm
498 Dave the.....  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:08:41pm

Just thought I'd do a check-in and read this. And I always liked Bachmann just because she made the left go so wacko.

499 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:07pm

re: #491 Walter L. Newton

And let's revisit this again. Was he up for impeachment for a blow job or lying?

Actually while the charges involved lying to the grand jury, I believe that the enthusiasm for his impeachment came from the preceding years of triangulating, lying, mistreating women and other non-impeachable offenses that had piled up.

500 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:20pm

re: #429 snowcrash

Ed, Sanfords calls that Clinton step down following Lewinski scandal will dog him. He is a slow bleed and should resign now.

You may be right. Ensign seemed to be weathering his storm well, but then he didn't have some of Sanford's baggage.

501 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:33pm

re: #497 taxfreekiller

John F. Kerry

not an adulterer
not total hypocrisy
not wounded
not truthful
not a real CIA hat
not a traitor
not a liar

you forgot

NOT the President

502 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:52pm

re: #473 DaddyG

That would be a bad trend for skinny white women who were popular in the 70's and 80s.

That is so bad. (Why am I laughing my ass off?)

503 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:58pm

re: #463 CyanSnowHawk

Please don't let him die on the same day as be upstaged by Farrah.

504 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:07pm

re: #453 OldLineTexan

So kind of like the advocacy of Republicans kicking out the socons that so many here espouse.

I wouldn't advocate any such thing, but I would so love it if they'd stop trying to tell me I can't be a Republican unless I am a socon.

505 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:17pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

The fact that you can't see that she's spouting Paulian gibberish only proves my point that her insanity is becoming mainstream and acceptable.

I just got done with a task, and I'm on my way out the door. I've already made clear to you that I didn't have time to watch it. I can't make a judgment whether it's mainstream, acceptable, insane or anything else without seeing it.

I merely asked you why her questioning of them qualifies as "insanity".

There are a lot of people I would not choose to send to D.C....whether they're "insane" or not is another question, as I don't think disagreement with me, or with you, is evidence of insanity.

See you all this evening.

506 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:20pm

re: #477 eschew_obfuscation

What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....

Using examples of people who don't adhere to their own code of conduct to besmirch that very code is a lovely demonization tactic. Alynski codified it.

507 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:38pm

re: #494 iceweasel

Sorry but that's bullshit. But it's also irrelevant at the moment and really not worth any further discussion. But Clinton was quite a Misogynist wasn't he?

508 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:44pm

re: #503 IslandLibertarian

Pull the plug at 1201am tomorrow, eh?

509 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:13pm
510 avanti  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:18pm

re: #491 Walter L. Newton

And let's revisit this again. Was he up for impeachment for a blow job or lying?

I know why, but most of the public ignored that, mostly because they suspected he'd lied about previous affairs.

511 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:32pm

re: #494 iceweasel

One thing I've always hated , regardless of whether its a democrat or republican president, is people trying to bring him down for less than good reason.

512 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:38pm

re: #456 snowcrash

Nana, the wife is the Skil tool heiress?

Yup. And I fear that she will allow herself to turn into another Silda Spitzer, and the long line of politicians' wives.

513 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:57pm

Mitt Romney's favorability rating on the rise

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s favorability rating has spiked since the 2008 presidential primary, according to a Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday.

The Republican’s favorability rating has climbed to 40 percent — a 10-point increase over the past 16 months. The Pew poll found that 28 percent of Americans view him unfavorably and another 32 percent don’t know.

Just days before Romney bowed out of the race last February, following the Super Tuesday primaries, 30 percent rated him favorably and 44 percent said they held an unfavorable opinion of him.

514 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:57pm

re: #494 iceweasel

Yes, I'm quite aware that the standard excuse for the witchhunt now is " He lied under oath!"

Unfortunately, that rationale forgets that the Lewisnsky scandal was only dug up AFTER years of grubbing around trying to make a big deal out of TravelGate, WhiteWater, god knows what else didn't pan out.

Sure, Clinton lied under oath. After years of people trying to dig up shit on him for every little thing. He lied about a blowjob. Shock, horror. I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man.

PS: BTW, they may well have been something odd about the real estate deals. But we'll never know now, because we all had to know about that stain on Monica's dress. Thank a republican for that.

There we go, finally, it's out. Relative moralism. "I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man." and that makes it what. Ok, wrong right.

You have spent this thread speaking to the lack of respect that the Congresswoman Bachmann apparently has for the law, yet, when the subject turns around to Clinton, and his lies, we get a real big...

"I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man."

In that case, using your logic, Bachmann is probably not the first person in the history of man that has suggested that the census may be invasive and treading on personal privacy.

Double standards rule, huh?

515 legalpad  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:18pm

re: #507 Nevergiveup

But Clinton was quite a Misogynist wasn't he?

Still is. Hit on my step-daughter at the Four Seasons.

516 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:20pm

re: #499 eschew_obfuscation

Actually while the charges involved lying to the grand jury, I believe that the enthusiasm for his impeachment came from the preceding years of triangulating, lying, mistreating women and other non-impeachable offenses that had piled up.

So?

517 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:23pm

re: #490 unrealizedviewpoint

The more folks here point out Killgore's obsession, the worse it gets.
Maybe we need back off?
/

Why? We're all masochists here. Some of us are just better at it than others.

518 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:40pm

re: #508 Desert Dog

Pull the plug at 1201am tomorrow, eh?

sign him up for "0"-care.........

519 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:42pm

re: #511 Jimmah

One thing I've always hated , regardless of whether its a democrat or republican president, is people trying to bring him down for less than good reason.

Jimmah hates politics.

520 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:13:25pm

re: #506 DaddyG

Using examples of people who don't adhere to their own code of conduct to besmirch that very code is a lovely demonization tactic. Alynski codified it.

Yes he did.... use the enemy's code of ethics against him. When he fails to meet his own rules, crucify him as a hypocrite. That can only be done, IMHO, when one has no discernible values on which to base a turning of the tables.

521 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:13:33pm

re: #462 iceweasel

"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.

Of course, strictly speaking it's not necessarily "hypocrisy". (Weakness and hypocrisy are not the same thing.)

522 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:13:39pm

re: #15 Silvergirl

Now that would be really hard right, wouldn't it?

Is Michelle Malkin really hard right?

523 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:13:41pm
524 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:01pm

re: #519 unrealizedviewpoint

No, I'm not talking about people using their votes, I'm talking about calls for impeachment for no good reason.

525 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:11pm
526 Wendya  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #494 iceweasel

Yes, I'm quite aware that the standard excuse for the witchhunt now is " He lied under oath!"

What are you talking about?

The only time I see that claim made is when I visit leftist websites. I followed the entire circus from start to finish and Clinton has no one to blame but himself.

527 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:46pm

re: #525 taxfreekiller

You know it bro!

528 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:48pm

re: #477 eschew_obfuscation

What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....

What an extraordinarily odd--and telling-- statement on your part.

I said this:
"I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values"

In no way did I malign family values, or even express an opinion on them, much less "spit the phrase out as vitriol".

How strange that you think that calling out people for being hypocrites, when they publicly castigate others for falling short of 'family values', and eagerly engage in privately violating them--somehow makes ME the one who doesn't respect family values.

Sorry to disappoint your sterotypes and preconceptions. I have a problem with the hypocrisy, not the family values. So do most people.

529 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #500 ShanghaiEd

You may be right. Ensign seemed to be weathering his storm well, but then he didn't have some of Sanford's baggage.

Ensign appears sympathetic because his mistress's husband tried to blackmail him. And he's still more popular in Nevada than Harry Reid, which tells you more about Harry Reid than it does about Ensign.

530 legalpad  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:53pm

You know who says weird stuff? Sharon Stone.

531 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:19pm

re: #525 taxfreekiller

Did John F. Kerry lie under oath before Congress about U.S. fighting men in Vietnam?

Yes, yes she did.

532 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:21pm
533 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:21pm

re: #525 taxfreekiller

Did John F. Kerry lie under oath before Congress about U.S. fighting men in Vietnam?

Magic 8-ball says signs point to yes

534 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:21pm

re: #494 iceweasel

PS: BTW, they may well have been something odd about the real estate deals. But we'll never know now, because we all had to know about that stain on Monica's dress. Thank a republican for that.

Sorry, but that particular part of your post doesn't make sense.

535 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:27pm

re: #477 eschew_obfuscation

What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....

Think P.J. O'Rourke: Family values that include beating the stepkids and secret daytime drinking.

536 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:31pm

re: #523 buzzsawmonkey

Usually, men lie about getting them, not about not getting them. That alone makes Clinton's lie memorable.

Along with that also famous:

"I tried marijuana once. I did not inhale." -

Sure Bill Sure.

537 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:42pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

Bravo!

538 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:45pm

re: #511 Jimmah

One thing I've always hated , regardless of whether its a democrat or republican president, is people trying to bring him down for less than good reason.

Ditto.

539 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:04pm

re: #512 NY Nana

Your You Tube commentary is extremely entertaining.

540 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:18pm

re: #516 Walter L. Newton

So?

I'm just saying that a form of moral justice prevailed in spite of the legal system.

541 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:20pm
542 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:49pm

re: #535 Dianna

Think P.J. O'Rourke: Family values that include beating the stepkids and secret daytime drinking.

Who did that? Or was it just a joke?

543 pianobuff  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:59pm

More printed info here for previously reported story

Michal Jackson has Cardiac Arrest

Not a good week for pop culture icons.

544 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #435 Nevergiveup

Congrates Zombie- I just noticed. Great job

I just updated the post itself to mention the Fox News pickup:

UPDATE: This story was picked up by Fox News on June 25:

‘Capitalism Will Fail,’ Marijuana Leaf Part of California School Mosaic

It was also featured as the top story on the main Fox News site.

545 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:08pm

re: #541 taxfreekiller
Most politicians lie.
Didn't say all.

546 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:23pm

re: #525 taxfreekiller

Did John F. Kerry lie under oath before Congress about U.S. fighting men in Vietnam?

His own testimony damned him, he took an oath as an Officer in the United Sates Navy.

547 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:31pm

re: #513 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) He's a safe bet. As a good Mormon with volunteer duties, tithing and lots of children he will never have enough sleep, energy, time alone or extra cash to cheat on his wife. I can attest to it. /

548 Annar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:41pm

re: #155 Charles

Bachmann has staked out a position on the fringes. She misrepresents climate change data, promotes creationism, suggests that her opponents are disloyal to the US, and this is not the first time she's said the government might start putting people in camps:

Bachmann Warns Of 'Re-Education Camps' For Young People.

Re-education camps are not needed; the current system is doing a wonderful job of indoctrination.

549 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:44pm

re: #534 Occasional Reader

Sorry, but that particular part of your post doesn't make sense.

I'll rephrase. The details of whitewater all got shoved aside in the race to talk about blowjobs.

550 Dave the.....  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:20pm

NRO guys point out that the Morman is the only leading Republican with ony one woman.

551 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:37pm

re: #490 unrealizedviewpoint

The more folks here point out Killgore's obsession, the worse it gets.
Maybe we need back off?
/

I know you're being sarcastic, but - unlike a lot of you - I'm actively concerned.

552 Edouard  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:46pm

OT - Michael Jackson just had a heart attack? Rushed to the hospital and "in bad shape" according to dad Joe Jackson - CPR in the ambulance (TMZ via Hotair)

553 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:48pm
554 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:52pm

re: #522 SanFranciscoZionist

Is Michelle Malkin really hard right?

Of course, no true hard rightist would think such a thing.

555 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:19:10pm

re: #548 Annar

Re-education camps are not needed; the current system is doing a wonderful job of indoctrination.

When the vast majority of graduates of that system are steeped in apathy, how can you tell?

556 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:19:12pm

"Neda and Arash

habibi, June 25th 2009, 9:24 pm

Please listen to what Dr Arash Hejazi has to say. He cannot return to Iran for having said it.

For those who believe that supporting, apologising for or just carefully refraining from criticising the regime in Iran is somehow “good for Muslims”, the segment starting at 14:00 is particularly recommended."

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

557 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:19:23pm

re: #492 jcm

Seattle has high numbers of people who know CPR and excellent EMS system, we only get about 30% survival if CPR is done.

Yeah CPR is nothing like you see in the movies and on tv. It doesn't get the heart started again, it just keeps the blood and O2 flowing until more advanced care can be given.

558 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:19:28pm

re: #542 doppelganglander

Who did that? Or was it just a joke?

P.J. was talking about his own family's values. It's in A Parliament of Whores.

559 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:04pm

re: #137 Dianna

I know - it's one of the things that makes me tear my hair. It's also a sign that someone's losing their grip on political reality that they start trying to justify something that wasn't even justifiable at the time it was done.

Think about this: if Americans of Japanese descent were so very dangerous that they had to be locked up, how come we recruited their sons, husbands and brothers for our army?

And how come the 442nd performed so remarkably? You'd think if they were subversive types, they'd have limited themselves to a mere dozen Medals of Honor.

560 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:07pm

re: #557 Mad Al-Jaffee
Plus, if you have to do for any length of time, it'll wear you out.

561 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:21pm

re: #549 iceweasel

I'll rephrase. The details of whitewater all got shoved aside in the race to talk about blowjobs.

Well some of the details about Whitewater got it's brains blown out in a Suburban Virgina National Park.
/ I think

562 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:25pm

re: #528 iceweasel

...I have a problem with the hypocrisy, not the family values. So do most people.

And so do I. Your hypocrisy that you say "I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man..." yet spend most of this thread slamming Bachmann as someone who is suggesting that people break the law in regards to filling out the census.

563 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:27pm

re: #558 Dianna

P.J. was talking about his own family's values. It's in A Parliament of Whores.

Ah. Thank you.

564 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:33pm

re: #454 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's the story zombie posted about earlier. They got some of the images from zombie's blog.

More than just that. They got the idea for the story from my post.

But, they paid me and credited me as the photographer, so I'm not complaining!

Also, the Fox version of the story was pretty decent - - better than I expected.

565 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:40pm

re: #560 pingjockey

Plus, if you have to do for any length of time, it'll wear you out.


That's what SHE said!

566 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:42pm

re: #528 iceweasel

How strange that you think that calling out people for being hypocrites, when they publicly castigate others for falling short of 'family values'

Again, you're conflating different ideas here.

A "hypocrite" is one who recites a principle that he/she doesn't actually believe. A "family values" pol who has an affair may be demostrating "hypcrisy", but more likely is simply demostrating human frailty.

And while I'm not much into socons, I don't agree with your characterization of them as "publicly castigat[ing] others for falling short of "family values". Rather, what distinguishes them is supporting those values per se, as a political principle.

Careful here. The end result of the moral logic trail on which you're proceeding, is that it's better for a politician to have no principles, because that way he/she can't be a "hypocrite".

567 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:50pm

re: #362 Occasional Reader

I agree. This does not, of course, excuse the infidelity, but it puts it in a very different light as compared to, say, Bubba's antics in the White House.

* * * *
Monica Lewinsky was half Latina, her father is from a Spanish speaking country.

So yes, Bill Clinton also had a half latina lover with whom he exchange "Leaves of Grass" deep poetry.

568 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:21:08pm

re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist

And how come the 442nd performed so remarkably? You'd think if they were subversive types, they'd have limited themselves to a mere dozen Medals of Honor.

It must have been a cunning ploy.

///

569 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #539 doppelganglander

Your You Tube commentary is extremely entertaining.

Thanks! It seemed appropriate to the situation. ;)

570 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:21:34pm

re: #565 Mad Al-Jaffee
Heh.

571 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:06pm

re: #521 Occasional Reader

Of course, strictly speaking it's not necessarily "hypocrisy". (Weakness and hypocrisy are not the same thing.)

Yes. But it is both hypocrisy, and weakness, when politicians who want to tell the rest of us what to do in our bedrooms, or who want to sermonise about how infidelity makes someone unsuitable for public office, wind up having affairs-- and not just having affairs, but damn well spectacularly having them.

572 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:21pm

re: #508 Desert Dog

I'm sorry, but that was just ugly.

573 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:28pm

re: #469 Thanos

And it looks like they snagged at least three of your pics, is there copyright on your blog - if so I didn't see the notice?

They paid me, and asked my permission - - so it's OK.

In this instance, Fox was decent and played by the rules.

They've used my stuff in the past many times - - both acknowledged and unacknowledged -- so I think they realized they can't get away with ripping off my stuff any more.

574 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:41pm

Must be the meds, I'm on here and have Glen Beck going on the tv.

575 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:44pm

re: #374 buzzsawmonkey

re: #363 MJ

Dennis Ross's job is going to be to persuade Netanyahu to accept and implement the offer/concessions that Ehud Barak made to Arafat--which Arafat turned down.

Ross was working on brokering that deal at the time, and he will be saddled with the task of reviving it.

And the Palis will reject it as well; Obama will try to force the Israelis to give more. They won't, and Obama will blame Israel

576 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:49pm

re: #535 Dianna

Think P.J. O'Rourke: Family values that include beating the stepkids and secret daytime drinking.

Yes, I'm familiar with that line of thought, but I believe it to be a disingenuous representation of the meaning of the term "family values" just to destroy it's common meaning. Most who use that term (other than O'Rourke) do not mean child abuse and irresponsible drunkenness. That there are some in families who do such things does not mean that the term "family values" includes them any more that 'American Values' would include rape, treason, theft.....

577 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:59pm

re: #494 iceweasel


Sure, Clinton lied under oath.

And you have no problem with that? Just shrug it off, oh well, it was just about sex? Moral vacuousness, they name is iceweasel.

578 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:23:12pm

re: #571 iceweasel

Yes. But it is both hypocrisy, and weakness, when politicians who want to tell the rest of us what to do in our bedrooms, or who want to sermonise about how infidelity makes someone unsuitable for public office, wind up having affairs-- and not just having affairs, but damn well spectacularly having them.

Or when caught, like Clinton, just lie about them.

579 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:23:43pm

re: #573 zombie

They paid me, and asked my permission - - so it's OK.

In this instance, Fox was decent and played by the rules.

They've used my stuff in the past many times - - both acknowledged and unacknowledged -- so I think they realized they can't get away with ripping off my stuff any more.

Well they seem to like your stuff. They keep coming back.

580 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:23:55pm
581 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:00pm

re: #562 Walter L. Newton

And so do I. Your hypocrisy that you say "I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man..." yet spend most of this thread slamming Bachmann as someone who is suggesting that people break the law in regards to filling out the census.

Your kilgore derangement syndrome is showing. I haven't "spent most of the thread" bashing Bachmann on the census.

And look up 'sarcasm'. That characterises my comment about blowjobs.

582 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:02pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

The fact that you can't see that she's spouting Paulian gibberish only proves my point that her insanity is becoming mainstream and acceptable.

The fact that there's no evidence of UFO landings only proves my point that the government is covering it all up.

583 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:08pm

re: #557 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah CPR is nothing like you see in the movies and on tv. It doesn't get the heart started again, it just keeps the blood and O2 flowing until more advanced care can be given.

I was an EMT enlisted in the first EMT Defibrillation study in the early 80's. We showed early defib gave enough of an advantage to be worthwhile. The AED, Automatic External Defibrillator now common was an out growth of that early work.

584 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:26pm

re: #573 zombie
Yaaay zombie! Congrats!

585 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:30pm

re: #566 Occasional Reader

A "family values" pol who has an affair may be demostrating "hypcrisy", but more likely is simply demostrating human frailty.

[Looking again at the label on this cough syrup]

586 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:32pm

re: #577 Russkilitlover

And you have no problem with that? Just shrug it off, oh well, it was just about sex? Moral vacuousness, they name is iceweasel.

Time for another liberal flounce off?

587 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:42pm

re: #566 Occasional Reader


A "hypocrite" is one who recites a principle that he/she doesn't actually believe. A "family values" pol who has an affair may be demostrating "hypcrisy", but more likely is simply demostrating human frailty.

Not if he remains in office while calling for the sacking of another politician for the same thing. If he does that he's not only frail, but a hypocrite.

588 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:02pm

re: #550 Dave the.....

NRO guys point out that the Morman is the only leading Republican with ony one woman.

"I am a polygamist who doesn't polig while you sir are a monogamist who doesn't monog." Reed Smoot - Utah Senator

...said to a rival senator known to have a mistress and was trying to deny Utah their seat based on the Mormon practice of polygamy.

589 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:03pm

re: #586 Walter L. Newton

Time for another liberal flounce off?

You wish.

590 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:16pm

What a day: Michael Jackson rushed to hospital in cardiac arrest.

We've just learned Michael Jackson was taken by ambulance to a hospital in Los Angeles ... and we're told it was cardiac arrest and that paramedics administered CPR in the ambulance.

He was picked up at his home around 20 minutes ago -- we're told his mother is on the way to visit him.

UPDATE: The 911 call came in at 12:21PM at his Holmby Hills home in L.A.

UPDATE: A Jackson family member tells TMZ Michael is in "really bad shape" and the brothers are headed to UCLA.

UPDATE: We just got off the phone with Joe Jackson, Michael's dad, who says "he is not doing well."

591 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:32pm
592 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:53pm

re: #561 Nevergiveup

Well some of the details about Whitewater got it's brains blown out in a Suburban Virgina National Park.
/ I think

Umm, blew it's brains out.

593 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:11pm

re: #489 Dianna

Oh, well done! I love it!

Except most times you see that formulation, it's without the sarc tags. From several different POV's:

RINOs
Socons
Neocons
Paleocons

etc.

Everyone wants to "ethnically cleanse" someone, but is convinced only the OTHER GUY is trying to do it.

594 GGMac  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

There we go, finally, it's out. Relative moralism. "I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man." and that makes it what. Ok, wrong right.

You have spent this thread speaking to the lack of respect that the Congresswoman Bachmann apparently has for the law, yet, when the subject turns around to Clinton, and his lies, we get a real big...

"I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man."

In that case, using your logic, Bachmann is probably not the first person in the history of man that has suggested that the census may be invasive and treading on personal privacy.

Double standards rule, huh?


Many, many updings, my friend. You so often are a voice of articulate sanity in the wilderness. :)

595 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:29pm

re: #547 DaddyG

He's a safe bet. As a good Mormon with volunteer duties, tithing and lots of children he will never have enough sleep, energy, time alone or extra cash to cheat on his wife. I can attest to it. /

That never slowed Joseph Smith down!

596 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:36pm

re: #587 Jimmah

Not if he remains in office while calling for the sacking of another politician for the same thing. If he does that he's not only frail, but a hypocrite.

Exactly,

Americans tolerate frailty in our politicians. We can even like it.

But not hypocrisy. Hence the GOPs plummeting numbers. Well, one reason!

597 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:43pm

Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...

598 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:01pm

re: #581 iceweasel

Your kilgore derangement syndrome is showing. I haven't "spent most of the thread" bashing Bachmann on the census.

And look up 'sarcasm'. That characterises my comment about blowjobs.

I was waiting for the "sarcasm" defense. Was it also satire, tomfoolery, a gag (pun intended) and guffgawing?

No, it was double standards on your part, you got caught and now you resort to the "sarcasm" excuse.

Doesn't fly with me, you're no Onion.

599 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:09pm

re: #553 taxfreekiller

Only lies by Democrats prevents total darkness.
Democrats lie.
The sun comes up.

Has to be a cause and effect.
It has been tested 20,000,000 or more time and it always works.

Sorry in the 6000 years since light and darkness were separated there have only been 2.1 million times to test that. /

600 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:16pm

re: #592 haakondahl

re: #561 Nevergiveup


Umm, blew it's brains out.

That would be Ft. Marcy Park right along the GW Parkway. There is more to that story than we are being told I am sure.

601 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:21pm

re: #583 jcm

I was an EMT enlisted in the first EMT Defibrillation study in the early 80's. We showed early defib gave enough of an advantage to be worthwhile. The AED, Automatic External Defibrillator now common was an out growth of that early work.

I used to be an EMT as well. I only did CPR once, and the patient didn't make it. We had medics on your unit, and they intubated him and gave him drugs.

AED (as I'm sure you know) only works on (I think) 2 types of irregular rhythms.

602 Wendya  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:26pm

re: #586 Walter L. Newton

Time for another liberal flounce off?

I can't see iceweasel flouncing off. She's made of much sterner stuff.

603 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:52pm

re: #594 GGMac

Many, many updings, my friend. You so often are a voice of articulate sanity in the wilderness. :)

Thanks.

604 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:28:27pm
605 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:28:55pm

re: #602 Wendya

I can't see iceweasel flouncing off. She's made of much sterner stuff.

I do take that back, you are correct. Sorry.

606 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #269 Wendya

Prepare to have them knock on your door.

lalalaalalallalalalalalallalaaa

607 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #564 zombie

More than just that. They got the idea for the story from my post.

But, they paid me and credited me as the photographer, so I'm not complaining!

Also, the Fox version of the story was pretty decent - - better than I expected.

Ok cool, ignore my comment above then. Compensation is always good

608 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:06pm

re: #601 Mad Al-Jaffee

2 types of irregular rhythms.

Oh, so now it's okay to make fun of us white people, is it?!

/

609 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:09pm

re: #557 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah CPR is nothing like you see in the movies and on tv. It doesn't get the heart started again, it just keeps the blood and O2 flowing until more advanced care can be given.

I was an EMT enlisted in the first EMT defibrillation study in the early 80's. It improved the number enough to make it commonplace and spur the development of the AEDs.

610 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:45pm

re: #577 Russkilitlover

And you have no problem with that? Just shrug it off, oh well, it was just about sex? Moral vacuousness, they name is iceweasel.

How strange. Why would you think I "have no problem with it"?

Mental confusion, thy name is... "Russkilitlover"

611 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:58pm

re: #564 zombie
Reading your blog and then the Fox story is illustrative of how these reporters get their news. They quoted some of your commentary as policy (i.e. the school has a policy against swastikas vs. hammer and sicle).

612 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:11pm

re: #546 jcm

His own testimony damned him, he took an oath as an Officer in the United Sates Navy.

Well, in a manner reminiscent of Jen-ghis Khan, I voted against that turd

613 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:16pm

What is with the census questionaire that the Rep. doesn't like? Is the gov't asking more than the last census?
Or is she pissed like me, that a group known for fraud and chicanery is being allowed to 'help' with the census?

614 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:36pm

re: #604 taxfreekiller

This year, ACORN does the census.
Next year, ACORN does the Direct TV re-runs of Obama's speeches in your optic nerve.

* * * *
ACORN's founder Wayne Rathke is whining about Glenn Beck's reporting on ACORN antics on his blog, claiming he's just an organizer of working families...

615 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:47pm

re: #358 doppelganglander

I think he'll resign and retire from public life, and that will be the end of it.

it's happened to a few governors before him...

616 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:52pm

re: #602 Wendya

I can't see iceweasel flouncing off. She's made of much sterner stuff.

Procol Harum?

617 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:06pm

re: #604 taxfreekiller

This year, ACORN does the census.
Next year, ACORN does the Direct TV re-runs of Obama's speeches in your optic nerve.

Direct-TV? Dammit, I got the Dish Network implants, they may as well arrest me now.

618 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:10pm

re: #538 iceweasel

Ditto.

You two must have been positively apoplectic during the Bush "regime", then.

619 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:18pm

re: #576 eschew_obfuscation

I know, and P.J. knows, too. He was making an ironic observation.

Since the phrase also makes me cringe, I have always appreciated his take.

620 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:35pm

re: #613 pingjockey

What is with the census questionaire that the Rep. doesn't like? Is the gov't asking more than the last census?
Or is she pissed like me, that a group known for fraud and chicanery is being allowed to 'help' with the census?

Now, now, The White House may be bad, but fraud and chicanery? Oh wait, you are talking about ACORN.....nevermind.

621 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:37pm

More unconstructive sniping creeping into the thread, once again we find Walter L Newton right in the middle of it.

622 Pupdawg  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:38pm

Early this morning I caught the interview with Rep. Bachmann by Megan Kelly on Fox about this and this headline is a total hit piece on what she had to say. The article was written totally out of context to put her in the worst possible light. Since she is a Republican politician, I assume she is even more fair game for agenda driven coverage. Her comments were about ACORN, her intended refusal to comply, the upcoming census and the expanded questions we all must answer for the census by law. It was not really about the Japanese internment during WWII. She merely used that example to make the point that back in the 40's the census provided the information that was used to locate and then intern the Japanese within the US. For this upcoming census, they (Govt.) are asking even more personal questions in the census which some may see as an unnecessary intrusion in their personal lives.
ACORN's inclusion in this process in lieu of their political partisanship and illegal actions during the last election is troubling to some, possibly many citizens to be counted.

623 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:38pm

re: #592 haakondahl

Umm, blew it's brains out.

After carefully scraping the mud off its shoes.

/

624 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:47pm

re: #605 Walter L. Newton

re: #602 Wendya

Cheers to you both-- but ironically, I do have to take off for a while!

It's not a flounce though, really. Even tho the timing is bad!

Catch you later, thanks
ice

625 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:54pm

re: #619 Dianna

I know, and P.J. knows, too. He was making an ironic observation.

Since the phrase also makes me cringe, I have always appreciated his take.

got it ;-) fair enough

626 MJ  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:05pm

re: #575 Kosh's Shadow

And the Palis will reject it as well; Obama will try to force the Israelis to give more. They won't, and Obama will blame Israel

Bibi is following Glick's advice and is not seeing George Mitchell. He has Barak meeting him instead. I hope this becomes permanent. There's no reason for Bibi to meet with George Mitchell.

The important story today is in the Wall Street Journal where Elliot Abrams once again said that the Obama Administration is lying about what was previously agreed to re: the settlements:

Hillary Is Wrong About the Settlements
The U.S. and Israel reached a clear understanding about natural growth.


[Link: online.wsj.com...]

627 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:13pm

re: #614 alegrias

* * * *
ACORN's founder Wayne Rathke is whining about Glenn Beck's reporting on ACORN antics on his blog, claiming he's just an organizer of working families...


...of the world.

628 debutaunt  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:16pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

Oh my goodness, Bachmann got to you! You have become part of the mainstream conservative movement which are out of their minds, they are loonies. Heaven help us. Please come back.
//////

1 : a count of the population and a property evaluation in early Rome
2 : a usually complete enumeration of a population; specifically : a periodic governmental enumeration of population.

629 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:35pm
630 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:52pm

re: #610 iceweasel

How strange. Why would you think I "have no problem with it"?

Mental confusion, thy name is... "Russkilitlover"

Your flippant "Sure, Clinton lied under oath," was a dead give away.

631 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:54pm

re: #616 haakondahl

Procol Harum?

Dude, it's waaay too early here for that.

/come back later

632 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:10pm

re: #615 SanFranciscoZionist

it's happened to a few governors before him...

In my time here in AZ, I have seen one Governor resign, another impeached and then earlier this year, one jump off the train right before it flew off the cliff.....no sex scandals though. The politicians here are just crooks, no fun in that!

633 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:10pm

re: #621 Jimmah

More unconstructive sniping creeping into the thread, once again we find Walter L Newton right in the middle of it.

Jealous?

634 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:23pm

I met Michael Jackson 10 years ago and the the two things I could never forget ate the whiskers sticking through a layer of makeup and ho whe looked like he was anorexic.

He is a nutty guy but when I think of the handsome dervish of the Off The Wall, early Thriller or the kid with the fro fronting his older brothers, it makes me sad today.


CPR in the ambulance is never a good sign.

635 Randall Gross  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:24pm

What a cool job:

636 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:25pm

re: #618 OldLineTexan

You two must have been positively apoplectic during the Bush "regime", then.

I was seriously pissed off at the the calls for Bush to be impeached on spurious grounds, yes.

637 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:52pm

I miss the Bush Regime

638 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:00pm

re: #615 SanFranciscoZionist

it's happened to a few governors before him...


I think Sanford would have the decency to actually go away, unlike Spitzer.

639 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:03pm

re: #621 Jimmah

More unconstructive sniping creeping into the thread, once again we find Walter L Newton right in the middle of it.

re: #633 Walter L. Newton

Jealous?

I'm sorry, your comment was "satire." I missed the humor.

640 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:11pm

re: #633 Walter L. Newton
Ya got yer rifle sighted in okay Walter?

641 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:13pm

re: #629 taxfreekiller

ACORN = THUG
THUG = ACORN
physics

* * * *
Joe Biden must have had ACORN in mind when he said today "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs"

You Betcha, Biden!

642 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:22pm

re: #633 Walter L. Newton

Jealous?

Comments like that just add more weight to my point.

643 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:40pm

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

I was waiting for the "sarcasm" defense. Was it also satire, tomfoolery, a gag (pun intended) and guffgawing?

No, it was double standards on your part, you got caught and now you resort to the "sarcasm" excuse.

Doesn't fly with me, you're no Onion.

You're no OED, pal.

644 midwestgak  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:44pm

OT Michael Jackson sent to hospital. Possible heart attack.

645 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:50pm

re: #595 Dianna

That never slowed Joseph Smith down!

He never had children with his other marriages. A couple people claimed to be descendents but genetic tests debunked it.

Brigham on the other hand - 47 kids - whoo boy was he a glutton for punishment.

646 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:57pm

re: #5 Charles

Japanese internment was imposed by the Democratic Roosevelt Administration, not usually thought of as "hard right". In Roosevelt's defense, I should add that it was a response to disloyal behavior by some German-Americans during the First World War. The fear was that Japanese-Americans were sympathetic to their homeland, and would be a source of spies and saboteurs for the Empire of Japan.

Many Japanese-Americans fought heroically for the U.S. in combat, internment notwithstanding.

647 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:58pm
648 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:01pm

re: #634 tokyobk

I met Michael Jackson 10 years ago and the the two things I could never forget ate the whiskers sticking through a layer of makeup and ho whe looked like he was anorexic.

He is a nutty guy but when I think of the handsome dervish of the Off The Wall, early Thriller or the kid with the fro fronting his older brothers, it makes me sad today.

CPR in the ambulance is never a good sign.

I really do hope he survives.

649 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:10pm

re: #608 Occasional Reader

Oh, so now it's okay to make fun of us white people, is it?!

/

A bit whiny for someone who just got to be "a real boy", I think.

/

650 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:23pm

re: #547 DaddyG

He's a safe bet. As a good Mormon with volunteer duties, tithing and lots of children he will never have enough sleep, energy, time alone or extra cash to cheat on his wife. I can attest to it. /

But the question is, does Mitt have a hungry heart? Will he lay down his money, play his part? And so forth.

651 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:26pm

re: #633 Walter L. Newton

Jealous?

I guess this blog wouldn't be as interesting without the obligatory stealth ( or not so stealth ) liberals trying to tweak the devils nose ha?

652 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:37pm

re: #643 iceweasel

You're no OED, pal.

I thought you were leaving. GIT :)

653 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:05pm

re: #624 iceweasel

re: #602 Wendya

Cheers to you both-- but ironically, I do have to take off for a while!

It's not a flounce though, really. Even tho the timing is bad!

Catch you later, thanks
ice

That would be "coincidentally," btw.

654 NY Nana  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:10pm

I am suing my computer for non-support!

I have to re-boot.

/Happy, happy, joy, joy!

655 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:21pm

In Soviet Obamaland, Acorns roast you!

/

656 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:30pm

re: #634 tokyobk

I met Michael Jackson 10 years ago and the the two things I could never forget ate the whiskers sticking through a layer of makeup and ho whe looked like he was anorexic.

He is a nutty guy but when I think of the handsome dervish of the Off The Wall, early Thriller or the kid with the fro fronting his older brothers, it makes me sad today.

CPR in the ambulance is never a good sign.

There was a time, before he became the Freak of today, that he was the actual King of Pop. He was damn good....too bad he got so strange.....

657 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:31pm

re: #642 Jimmah

Comments like that just add more weight to my point.

Made your day, huh? Glad to oblige.

658 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:10pm

re: #656 Desert Dog

I saw him on Soul Train right before Thriller was released and he moonwalked. No body believed me when I described it.

659 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:29pm

re: #641 alegrias

* * * *
Joe Biden must have had ACORN in mind when he said today "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs"

You Betcha, Biden!

BING - FUCKIN' - O!

Razzle-Dazzle!

oooooo, lookit' Micheles arms.............

WAKE UP AMERICA!

660 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:29pm
661 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:32pm

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

Made your day, huh? Glad to oblige.

It takes so little to make their days?

662 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:33pm

re: #649 OldLineTexan

A bit whiny for someone who just got to be "a real boy", I think.

/

Dammit, it's not a "purse", it's a "European Carry-all"!

663 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:36pm

re: #636 Jimmah

I was seriously pissed off at the the calls for Bush to be impeached on spurious grounds, yes.

There is nothing new under the sun, no, not one thing.

Bush couldn't eat breakfast to the satisfaction of many vocal opponents with plenty of airtime. His real faults were buried under the barrage.

664 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:43pm

re: #632 Desert Dog

In my time here in AZ, I have seen one Governor resign, another impeached and then earlier this year, one jump off the train right before it flew off the cliff.....no sex scandals though. The politicians here are just crooks, no fun in that!

* * *
Sanford was a strong supporter of your Senator John McCain back in 1999 and 2000, during McCain (also a notorious adulterer at the end of his first marriage)'s first presidential primary campaigns.

I'm sure hanging with the testosteroney big boys and tasting the life of private planes & privilege whetted Sanford's appetite for power--and it's PERKS.

665 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:51pm

re: #611 DaddyG

Reading your blog and then the Fox story is illustrative of how these reporters get their news. They quoted some of your commentary as policy (i.e. the school has a policy against swastikas vs. hammer and sicle).

I know, it was kind of interesting -- much of the "narrative" of my post guided the narrative of the news article.

Though this reporter should be congratulated on doing some actual original reporting too, tracking down former students and so on -- much better than what most reporters do (i.e. just copy blog posts wholesale).

666 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:12pm

re: #651 Nevergiveup

I guess this blog wouldn't be as interesting without the obligatory stealth ( or not so stealth ) liberals trying to tweak the devils nose ha?

Stealth? No, not in a long shot. Obvious, yes, stealth, no. More like as evident as the nose on Jimmy Duranty's face.

667 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:12pm

re: #662 Occasional Reader

Dammit, it's not a "purse", it's a "European Carry-all"!

You can call your murse a messenger bag if you like. I don't mind, really.

668 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:15pm
669 pianobuff  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:26pm

Latest update on MJ:

UPDATE #2 - An X17 photographer on the scene at the hospital tells us: "There were more than 10 bodyguards or members of Michael's entourage that arrived at the hospital just after 1 pm, after following the ambulance there. They all got out of the SUVs in a panic and Michael was wheeled into the emergency room on a stretcher. There was definitely a sense of urgency and everyone looked worried."

670 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:29pm

re: #632 Desert Dog

In my time here in AZ, I have seen one Governor resign, another impeached and then earlier this year, one jump off the train right before it flew off the cliff.....no sex scandals though. The politicians here are just crooks, no fun in that!

Either Illinois or Arizona should claim "My Governor Made This Liscense Plate" as their state motto.

671 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:35pm

Becks going over the 28 page supplement to the census. Haven't heard any of the questions yet, wait, it sounds like a damn health survey? And a buncha other shit, how many times have been married, how many minutes to get to work? WTF? What a bunch of crap.

672 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:50pm

re: #661 Nevergiveup

It takes so little to make their days?

LOL (really).

673 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:53pm

re: #658 tokyobk

I saw him on Soul Train right before Thriller was released and he moonwalked. No body believed me when I described it.

I grew up listening to the Jackson 5. I played "I'll Be There" and "Rockin Robin" until the lp wore out. He has a tremendous amount of talent. No doubt about that.

674 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:56pm

re: #647 taxfreekiller

UCS
un-constructive sniping

not

non-constructive sniping
NCS

This particular form of sniping is all Kentucky Windage.

675 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:08pm

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

Stealth? No, not in a long shot. Obvious, yes, stealth, no. More like as evident as the nose on Jimmy Duranty's face.

Well some of them swear their conservatives, but are just trying to keep us "Honest".

676 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:25pm

re: #637 Sharmuta

I miss the Bush Regime

I'm still waiting for him to declare martial law and announce he and Cheney are President and VP for life.

Any day now I'm sure.

677 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:30pm
678 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:36pm

re: #652 Walter L. Newton

I thought you were leaving. GIT :)

Oh Walter, I just can't quit you! :)

I just now saw all these little comments you've been leaving me that I missed. It must have been bothering you that you got no attention til now.

Never fear. I'll be back. And you really shouldn't take it so personally when you're ignored. Sometimes it's not on purpose, you know? Life, etc.

Later, OED.

679 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:41pm

re: #461 wrenchwench

very deliberately milking the Derangement cow

That could rotate.

very derangedly cowing the deliberate milkers?

/btw, thank you ... :D

680 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:44pm

re: #650 ShanghaiEd

But the question is, does Mitt have a hungry heart? Will he lay down his money, play his part? And so forth.

ROTFLMAO

681 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:58pm

re: #59 Dianna

I should add that internment is completely legal for enemy aliens who are in the U.S. when war breaks out. Extending it to U.S. citizens was the controversial policy.

682 Silvergirl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:07pm

re: #522 SanFranciscoZionist

Is Michelle Malkin really hard right?

She certainly has her 90 degree angle moments.

683 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:25pm

re: #675 Nevergiveup

Well some of them swear their conservatives, but are just trying to keep us "Honest".

Ok, enough of this mutual admiration society stuff, they're gonna start talking.

684 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:27pm

re: #677 taxfreekiller
He and Kerry are traitorous sons a bitches.

685 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:37pm

re: #673 Desert Dog

I played "I'll Be There" and "Rockin Robin"

Reminds me of this young lady I knew in law school. (She HATED it when I called her that.)

686 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:41pm

re: #669 pianobuff

Latest update on MJ:

UPDATE #2 - An X17 photographer on the scene at the hospital tells us: "There were more than 10 bodyguards or members of Michael's entourage that arrived at the hospital just after 1 pm, after following the ambulance there. They all got out of the SUVs in a panic and Michael was wheeled into the emergency room on a stretcher. There was definitely a sense of urgency and everyone looked worried."

There goes their meal ticket.

I blame a lot of the people around him (and other celeb hangers-ons) for much of the destruction they inflict on their "host."

687 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:43pm

Jimmy Carter drives me to near apoplexy too but he is much easier to take in his books where he pretends to be normal.

688 midwestgak  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:52pm

re: #644 midwestgak

OT Michael Jackson sent to hospital. Possible heart attack.

Or just another marketing ploy. He is releasing some new album soon.

689 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:54pm

re: #650 ShanghaiEd

But the question is, does Mitt have a hungry heart? Will he lay down his money, play his part? And so forth.

His father was a public servant towards the end of his life. I suspect Mitt genuinely sees that as a good way to pay back the country for his good fortune. We American Mormons tend to be hopelessly patriotic too.

690 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:58pm

re: #676 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm still waiting for him to declare martial law and announce he and Cheney are President and VP for life.

Any day now I'm sure.

I was going to go to the bathroom, but Chimpy took my potty rights away.

691 doubter4444  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:06pm

re: #174 WinterCat

That was very true. America had been attacked and people were frightened. It was a terrible thing. Earl Warren, who eventually became the Chief Justice, and was California's Atty General and then Governor -- and a very liberal man -- was highly supportive of internment at the time. In later years he came to deeply regret this position. Times of war are different from times of peace and hindsight is 20/20.

Yeah, but, aren't we supposed to, you know, learn from history, from our mistakes and try to change?
Warren's support of internment was despicable and he regretted it. I think the take away here, just might be that it is something we need to be very very careful doing or even thinking of in the future.

As for all the comments about the "intrusive" nature of the census:
Not to rain on the parade by actually thinking about it for a moment, but just maybe, perhaps, there is a at least semi-valid reason for the questions?

100 years ago, the number and age of household members was practically all that was needed, city's and counties did not disburse funds in the way they do now, in the amounts they do now, and never had any idea of the needs of a "modern' society or community.
So for the toilet question, it's easy to make fun of but the real reason is pretty serious: from the amount of toilets and baths in a house means a certain amount of water used can be extrapolated, therefore given honest data, the need for water to communities and city's can be gaged, and adjusted. Dams or aqueducts may need to be built because of it, and so on.
The size of houses reflect the amount of electricity needed and therefore the power grids be be adjusted accordingly, and so on.

It's the only time that a concerted effort goes out to find how the country is changing, not only demographically, but physically. Data comes in from local utilities yes, but with the census the data can be collated and better understood, and the new information used to make things better for everyone.
I'm kind of in awe of the effort it takes, really and I think, (nerd that I guess that I am) it's a pretty interesting undertaking.

All this in addition to the historical aspect to the thing.... looking back at census results from 150, 100, or pre-war gives a historian valuable insight to the way the country was made up, and I kind of think the I'm doing my part in giving future historians information about how we lived and changed over the course of my life.

That so many want to lie, and ignore for reasons that border on anti-government conspiracy theory's like Bachmann, a elected Representative, for god's sake, does not mean that information won't be gleaned, it'll be just the opposite, the takeaway will be that we were in a fragile period of intense distrust of the government and suspicious to the point of ludicrousness.

It's the damn census, it's not a plot to take over the country.

Rant over, thanks.

692 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:17pm

re: #676 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm still waiting for him to declare martial law and announce he and Cheney are President and VP for life.

Any day now I'm sure.

They're too busy plotting invading Iran to steal the oil for their business buddies. ///

693 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:24pm

re: #669 pianobuff

They all got out of the SUVs in a panic and Michael was wheeled into the emergency room on a stretcher. There was definitely a sense of urgency and everyone looked worried."

.........a report that MJ was seen slipping out the back door and into a waiting limo with Elvis and Jim Morrison has not been confirmed..........

694 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:29pm
695 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:32pm

re: #687 tokyobk
You read one of his books? You are a brave lizard.

696 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:43pm

re: #656 Desert Dog

There was a time, before he became the Freak of today, that he was the actual King of Pop. He was damn good....too bad he got so strange.....

To quote the Wizard from Conan the Barbarian "Wealth can be wonderful, but you know, success can test one's mettle as surely as the strongest adversary."

697 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:46pm

re: #678 iceweasel

Oh Walter, I just can't quit you! :)

I just now saw all these little comments you've been leaving me that I missed. It must have been bothering you that you got no attention til now.

Never fear. I'll be back. And you really shouldn't take it so personally when you're ignored. Sometimes it's not on purpose, you know? Life, etc.

Later, OED.

Well, last night you told me I was special. Later :)

698 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:42:06pm

re: #685 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of this young lady I knew in law school. (She HATED it when I called her that.)

Well, it could have been worse, you could have called her "Just Lays There Robin"

699 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:42:09pm

re: #685 Occasional Reader

Reminds me of this young lady I knew in law school. (She HATED it when I called her that.)

I can tell you from personal experience, Robins universally hate that. Also all Batman jokes.

700 pianobuff  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:42:51pm

re: #689 DaddyG

His father was a public servant towards the end of his life. I suspect Mitt genuinely sees that as a good way to pay back the country for his good fortune. We American Mormons tend to be hopelessly patriotic too.

At least we know he was Born in the USA. (runs for cover)

701 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:43:01pm

re: #656 Desert Dog

There was a time, before he became the Freak of today, that he was the actual King of Pop. He was damn good....too bad he got so strange.....

I tend to go with the obvious explanation - his big wrong turn in life was the bad plastic surgery.

702 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:43:18pm

re: #695 pingjockey

Standing up in a bookstore and I refused to buy it.

His latest on the ME where he explains how the word Apartheid was misunderstood in his last title.

But then I see him on TV hugging a terrorist talking kumbaya and I realize he is like Arafat in the forkedness of his tongue and/or twiness of his heart.

703 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:43:34pm

re: #694 taxfreekiller
Terrible state, remember Henry Jackson? The donks would toss him out of the party now.

704 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:43:40pm

Venezuela, US move to restore expelled ambassadors
Published: 06.26.09, 00:11 / Israel News
Venezuela and the United States said Wednesday they will restore their ambassadors more than nine months after President Hugo Chavez expelled the US envoy in his final diplomatic bout with the Bush administration.

But Chavez signaled he still has major differences with Washington, accusing the US of having a hand in recent protests in Iran and saying he hopes President Barack Obama will lead the United States on a new path. (AP)

Sure because they are actually one of the ONLY countries in the world supporting Iran. I mean so why not?

705 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:19pm

re: #696 CyanSnowHawk

To quote the Wizard from Conan the Barbarian "Wealth can be wonderful, but you know, success can test one's mettle as surely as the strongest adversary."

More so -- it's FAR more subtle.

706 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #702 tokyobk
Ah, I thought you'd actually read it.

707 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:43pm

re: #701 Jimmah

I tend to go with the obvious explanation - his big wrong turn in life was the bad plastic surgery.

I'd say it's his low self esteem and other mental problems.....he was not a bad looking guy before he transformed himself from a black guy to a white skelator freak. There is some serious mental issues going on in his head. For someone to mutilate himself to the degree he did....ugh.....

708 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:46pm

re: #703 pingjockey

re: #694 taxfreekiller
Terrible state, remember Henry Jackson? The donks would toss him out of the party now.

Hubert Humphrey and Scoop Jackson too.

709 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:56pm

re: #700 pianobuff

At least we know he was Born in the USA. (runs for cover)

Hmmm... but he served a mission overseas. Where will his loyalty lie? /

710 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:59pm

Michelle Bachmann is on LIVE

Warning about National Energy Tax (Cap & Trade) legislation

LARGEST TAX HIKE IN HISTORY being voted on

711 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:33pm

re: #691 doubter4444

Not to rain on the parade by actually thinking about it for a moment,

I quit reading right after that bit of snot. Just thought you might like to know.

712 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:33pm

re: #693 IslandLibertarian

May I suggest we knock off the jokes. Should he pass away...

713 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:36pm

re: #689 DaddyG

Mormons are good people.
'been getting a bad rap for too long now.

/but what about the gold plates?what about global warming?

714 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:44pm

re: #700 pianobuff

At least we know he was Born in the USA. (runs for cover)

...and educated in Detroit. Could be a Wahabbist. /

I could go on like this all night.

715 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:59pm

re: #656 Desert Dog

There was a time, before he became the Freak of today, that he was the actual King of Pop. He was damn good....too bad he got so strange.....

And his dance moves absolutely violated the laws of physics. An amazing performer.

716 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:07pm

re: #708 Truck Monkey
Henry Jackson=scoop. Senator from my state. Hell, the donks would throw out JFK for cutting taxes!

717 Dreader1962  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:09pm

re: #712 unrealizedviewpoint

May I suggest we knock off the jokes. Should he pass away...

Apparently he did pass away.

718 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:19pm

re: #678 iceweasel

Have a good one, iceweasel.

719 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:21pm

re: #695 pingjockey

You read one of his books? You are a brave lizard.

It's just hanging on the hook in the outhouse, begging for attention.

720 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:34pm

re: #707 Desert Dog

re: #701 Jimmah


I'd say it's his low self esteem and other mental problems.....he was not a bad looking guy before he transformed himself from a black guy to a white skelator freak. There is some serious mental issues going on in his head. For someone to mutilate himself to the degree he did....ugh.....

I feel sorry for him. He was never allowed to be a child. From the age of 4 on up he was his familys ticket out of Gary IN, and MJ paid a very very heavy price.

721 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:38pm

re: #706 pingjockey

Yes, I read the whole thing there in two "standings."

OOT but there is a rumor in LA that they are waiting for the whole Jackson family to arrive before making a bad announcement.

722 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:47pm

Michael Jackson's dead

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

wow

723 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:02pm

re: #494 iceweasel

In discussing the Clinton impeachment debacle, I heard Henry Hyde say, about Ken Starr, "All he gave us was the sex."

The real Clinton scandal was the Chinese money that flooded the Democratic Party, thanks to the Clintons. The Asian witnesses all fled the jurisdiction before they could be subpoenaed. The venality of the Clinton Administration was epic.

724 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:09pm

re: #717 Dreader1962

Apparently he did pass away.

yes, it's up on Drudge.

He was not that old...wow

725 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:12pm

re: #704 Nevergiveup

Venezuela, US move to restore expelled ambassadors
Published: 06.26.09, 00:11 / Israel News
Venezuela and the United States said Wednesday they will restore their ambassadors more than nine months after President Hugo Chavez expelled the US envoy in his final diplomatic bout with the Bush administration.

But Chavez signaled he still has major differences with Washington, accusing the US of having a hand in recent protests in Iran and saying he hopes President Barack Obama will lead the United States on a new path. (AP)

Sure because they are actually one of the ONLY countries in the world supporting Iran. I mean so why not?

Do the Dodgers still play in Chavez Raving?

/*running like hell before a fan nails me*

726 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #719 OldLineTexan
Mwahaha! That is about all it would be good for. BTW, the census doesn't ask if you are a US citizen.

727 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:26pm

re: #714 DaddyG

...and educated in Detroit. Could be a Wahabbist. /

I could go on like this all night.

* * *
Didn't you just say Mormon fathers busy with families don't have time to waste flirting by email with strangers abroad on LGF?

728 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:26pm

re: #719 OldLineTexan

It's just hanging on the hook in the outhouse, begging for attention.

It sounds like you intend to smear his work.

729 Dreader1962  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:50pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

I would say unconfirmed - CNN still has 'Hospitalized'.

730 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:18pm

re: #699 doppelganglander

I can tell you from personal experience, Robins universally hate that. Also all Batman jokes.

They're not big on "red breast" cracks, either.

/

731 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:39pm

OT_[Link: www.tmz.com...]
D'oh... Michael Jackson dead

732 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:42pm

re: #716 pingjockey

re: #708 Truck Monkey
Henry Jackson=scoop. Senator from my state. Hell, the donks would throw out JFK for cutting taxes!

My bad. I realized my mistake as I hit post. I really do miss the 'old school' responsible democrats. My grandparents would be spinning in their graves if they found out who is running their party today.

733 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:49pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

Michael Jackson's dead

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

wow

I'm sad for him and his family..
Nobody gets out of here alive...

734 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:49pm

re: #721 tokyobk
That sucks. He was an amazing performer. I am a rock and roll/Country western type, but the man could bring it. It was sad when all that talent went around the bend.

735 midwestgak  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:55pm

re: #710 alegrias

Michelle Bachmann is on LIVE

Warning about National Energy Tax (Cap & Trade) legislation

LARGEST TAX HIKE IN HISTORY being voted on

Yep. And it will pass. Save your pennies and pick them up off the street if you find them.

Putting $20 in my gas tank tomorrow. Wonder how many gallons $20 will buy in a week.

736 pink freud  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:11pm

Drudge siren: Michael Jackson dies.

737 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:16pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

Michael Jackson's dead

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

wow

Wow indeed. TMZ scoops everyone.. Not on other sites yet.

738 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:17pm

re: #726 pingjockey

Mwahaha! That is about all it would be good for. BTW, the census doesn't ask if you are a US citizen.

That would be ... counter-productive.

739 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:17pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

Michael Jackson's dead

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

wow

* * * *
This just ain't Iranian protesters' day either.

740 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:47pm

re: #713 IslandLibertarian

Mormons are good people.
'been getting a bad rap for too long now.

/but what about the gold plates?what about global warming?

I moderated a Mormon apologetics site for some time. I can tell you some doozies that the critics dream up.

Thanks for the empathy. We can be peculiar but we're mostly harmless.

Oddly enough Mitt wasn't my first choice in the primaries even though my family thought I would automatically gravitate to him. Huckabees economic platform was attractive until he started to open his mouth on other issues and topped it off with a gratuitous slam against Mitt for his religion. Oh well- lets do it again in 2010!

741 Dreader1962  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:48pm

re: #737 zombie

I would say probable - other sites are probably confirming sources.

742 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:56pm

re: #724 Desert Dog

yes, it's up on Drudge.

He was not that old...wow

Got to imagine the strain to his body with everything he's done to it

743 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:03pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

Oh, that's too bad.

744 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:07pm

re: #733 HoosierHoops

I'm sad for him and his family..
Nobody gets out of here alive...

I'm thinking about those poor kids of his.

745 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:23pm

re: #735 midwestgak

Yep. And it will pass. Save your pennies and pick them up off the street if you find them.

Putting $20 in my gas tank tomorrow. Wonder how many gallons $20 will buy in a week.

If the "ban domestic drilling" parts are in it, we are well and totally screwed, especially in Houston.

That'll take the small bit of recovery out of the economy.

746 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #732 Truck Monkey
Oh yeah. My moms parents, dyed in the wool FDR types would have a fit it they saw the way the donks have been going the last 10 years or so.

747 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:46pm

re: #739 alegrias

* * * *
This just ain't Iranian protesters' day either.

Like Anna Nicole all over again.

748 GGMac  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:59pm

re: #604 taxfreekiller

This year, ACORN does the census.
Next year, ACORN does the Direct TV re-runs of Obama's speeches in your optic nerve.


And we can have o-speech parties - like tupperware parties - and sit around oooing and ahhing over the One - and we can invite Queen Elizabeth and her barry-speech iPod, and we will sing songs of the flowery unicorns that fart rainbows - and it will be so loverly, *sigh*, *sigh*


//////

749 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:05pm

re: #735 midwestgak

Putting $20 in my gas tank tomorrow. Wonder how many gallons $20 will buy in a week.

Actually, if anything I'd say this would have downward pressure on oil prices. Demand for oil will fall, as the effective cost of using it is artifically jacked up.

750 Dreader1962  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:35pm

re: #740 DaddyG

I moderated a Mormon apologetics site for some time. I can tell you some doozies that the critics dream up.

Thanks for the empathy. We can be peculiar but we're mostly harmless.

Oddly enough Mitt wasn't my first choice in the primaries even though my family thought I would automatically gravitate to him. Huckabees economic platform was attractive until he started to open his mouth on other issues and topped it off with a gratuitous slam against Mitt for his religion. Oh well- lets do it again in 2010!

I became a Romney supporter when I saw him trounce McCain in the debates. He maintained his dignity under personal attack and coherently address the questions instead of relying on cheap shots.

751 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:45pm

re: #736 pink freud

Drudge siren: Michael Jackson dies.

What a tragic figure. A man whose mind was destroyed by fame.

752 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:53pm

re: #733 HoosierHoops

I'm sad for him and his family..
Nobody gets out of here alive...

The remark about MJ being seen getting into a limo with Elvis and Jim Morrison? It's got a weird resonance.

753 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:56pm

re: #727 alegrias

* * *
Didn't you just say Mormon fathers busy with families don't have time to waste flirting by email with strangers abroad on LGF?


I resemble that remark. More like Mormon fathers who have wives tough enough to raise 7 children aren't stupid enough to be cheating on them. ;-)

754 doubter4444  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:14pm

re: #494 iceweasel

Yes, I'm quite aware that the standard excuse for the witchhunt now is " He lied under oath!"

Unfortunately, that rationale forgets that the Lewisnsky scandal was only dug up AFTER years of grubbing around trying to make a big deal out of TravelGate, WhiteWater, god knows what else didn't pan out.

Sure, Clinton lied under oath. After years of people trying to dig up shit on him for every little thing. He lied about a blowjob. Shock, horror. I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man.

PS: BTW, they may well have been something odd about the real estate deals. But we'll never know now, because we all had to know about that stain on Monica's dress. Thank a republican for that.

And what did all that cost? I recall something like 70 million dollars to get the point of getting him because he lied about a blow job.

755 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:15pm

Man, JAkcson and Farah Faucett on the same day

756 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:17pm

Stoned wallabies make crop circles

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Australian wallabies are eating opium poppies and creating crop circles as they hop around "as high as a kite", a government official has said.

757 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:42pm

re: #690 haakondahl

I was going to go to the bathroom, but Chimpy took my potty rights away.

That's nothing. Obama took my Kodachrome away.

758 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:58pm

re: #756 Jimmah

Stoned wallabies make crop circles

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Finally, some good news.

759 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:11pm

That's sad about Michael Jackson. Three kids are without their father, and I really feel for them. Their lives have been bizarre anyway, but this sucks for anyone.

760 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:11pm

re: #756 Jimmah
Mwahahaha! Live entertainment. That's better than a bug zapper and a 6 pack.

761 alegrias  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:13pm

re: #753 DaddyG

I resemble that remark. More like Mormon fathers who have wives tough enough to raise 7 children aren't stupid enough to be cheating on them. ;-)

* * * *
Glad to hear it! Thanks for being a good parent & spouse.

762 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:17pm

re: #756 Jimmah

Stoned wallabies make crop circles

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

LOL

763 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:21pm

re: #757 ShanghaiEd

That's nothing. Obama took my Kodachrome away.

Did he give you the night's bright colors? The Greens of summer?

764 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:25pm

re: #735 midwestgak

Yep. And it will pass. Save your pennies and pick them up off the street if you find them.

Putting $20 in my gas tank tomorrow. Wonder how many gallons $20 will buy in a week.

It will buy a little gas and the rest will help make the USA as green as Ireland in April. Don't you feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that your are helping save Mother Earth by paying out the ass for your gasoline, power and anything else that comes to you by a truck? I do. I feel great that we Americans are finally standing up and doing what is right.....giving ALL of our money to Washington so the smart and wise bureaucrats can save us all from Global Warming!

Whew, I for one am very relieved.

/

765 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:57pm

re: #752 Dianna

The remark about MJ being seen getting into a limo with Elvis and Jim Morrison? It's got a weird resonance.

3 Greats!

766 DaddyG  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:28pm

re: #761 alegrias

* * * *
Glad to hear it! Thanks for being a good parent & spouse.

I have been blessed by God with a good wife and children. My job is to not mess that up!

BBL

767 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:28pm

re: #740 DaddyG

Mitt has proved to have a handle on financial issues.
His beliefs are of no consequence to me.
Look at what we got in 2008.
An efin' narcissistic-socialist-milk toast-community organizer-spender-of-other-peoples-money.

768 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:36pm

re: #758 OldLineTexan

Finally, some good news.

I knew there had to be a rational explanation for those things. Just didn't see this particular rational explanation coming.

769 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:36pm

re: #709 DaddyG

Hmmm... but he served a mission overseas. Where will his loyalty lie? /

Some might even say Romney was born to run.

770 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:38pm

re: #744 Sharmuta

I'm thinking about those poor kids of his.

Nothing against him.. I pray the family can raise those children in a loving home and that they ascribe to being all they can be for their father....
May God grant them peace and grace in this most trying time, May He dry the tears of his children and bring a comfort to their hearts....
Rest in Peace Mr. Jackson.

771 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:40pm

re: #671 pingjockey

Becks going over the 28 page supplement to the census. Haven't heard any of the questions yet, wait, it sounds like a damn health survey? And a buncha other shit, how many times have been married, how many minutes to get to work? WTF? What a bunch of crap.

The purpose of the Census is to determine representation in Congress.
The ACS, or prototype for

How many people, including this person,
usually rode to work in the car, truck, or van
LAST WEEK?

What time did this person usually leave home
to go to work LAST WEEK?

LAST WEEK, was this person TEMPORARILY
absent from a job or business?

772 pink freud  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:59pm

re: #751 zombie

Zombie, I have such respect for what you do. Congratulations on your Berkeley story going national. Super proud of you.

773 GGMac  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:55:01pm

Other questions on the census: How many times have you been married? What was the date of your last marriage?


(reference #465)

774 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:55:01pm

It's discrimination ... if I ate opium and went hopping round a field in circles, they'd toss me in a rubber room AND make me wear pants.

/

775 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:55:26pm

re: #768 Jimmah

I knew there had to be a rational explanation for those things. Just didn't see this particular rational explanation coming.

I have to admit, it blindsided me.

776 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:55:27pm

re: #756 Jimmah

Stoned wallabies make crop circles

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Tasmania has come to roo the day it established those farms.

777 midwestgak  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:56:34pm

re: #712 unrealizedviewpoint

May I suggest we knock off the jokes. Should he pass away...

um, this is a publicity stunt. He is alive and well. Has few facial features left, but he is alive and well.

This is a publicity stunt. IMHO.

778 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:56:38pm

re: #770 HoosierHoops

Nothing against him.. I pray the family can raise those children in a loving home and that they ascribe to being all they can be for their father....
May God grant them peace and grace in this most trying time, May He dry the tears of his children and bring a comfort to their hearts....
Rest in Peace Mr. Jackson.

I'm not optimistic about their chances with extended family members. I firmly believe MJ went round the bend because of the way his father mercilessly exploited him and his brothers. I also suspect there's approximately zero dollars in his estate, and crushing debts. He was living on the largesse of oil sheiks for the last few years.

779 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:56:39pm

Perhaps Jackson's death hasn't been confirmed yet, but the majority of people don't survive their first heart attack, so I wouldn't be surprised if the story is true.

780 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:56:47pm

re: #771 jcm
Exactly, what in hell does that have to do with figuring out how many reps each state gets? Absolutley nothing. It's data mining and I find it intrusive and none of the Feds goddamned business.

781 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:57:02pm

re: #777 midwestgak

um, this is a publicity stunt. He is alive and well. Has few facial features left, but he is alive and well.

This is a publicity stunt. IMHO.

He's dead. So, no.

782 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:57:20pm

re: #762 Sharmuta

LOL

I really hope there's a video of this in the offing.

783 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:57:57pm

re: #782 Jimmah

I really hope there's a video of this in the offing.

I think it would be pretty funny.

784 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:58:18pm

re: #779 Sharmuta

Perhaps Jackson's death hasn't been confirmed yet, but the majority of people don't survive their first heart attack, so I wouldn't be surprised if the story is true.

According to the BBC he wasn't breathing when the medics arrived at his house.

785 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:58:47pm

re: #783 Sharmuta

I think it would be pretty funny.

Right up there with the fainting goats I would imagine.

786 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:58:51pm

re: #783 Sharmuta

I think it would be pretty funny.

What kind of kittehs are wallabies? Bounce kittehs?

787 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:04pm

re: #784 Jimmah

According to the BBC he wasn't breathing when the medics arrived at his house.

CPR in the ambulance isn't a good sign.

788 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:08pm

re: #771 jcm

The purpose of the Census is to determine representation in Congress.
The ACS, or prototype for

How many people, including this person,
usually rode to work in the car, truck, or van
LAST WEEK?

What time did this person usually leave home
to go to work LAST WEEK?

LAST WEEK, was this person TEMPORARILY
absent from a job or business?

Did you PICK up on the one which asks, ... "what did you nose and when did you nose it" ?

Now that's REALLY getting picky!

/yeah, I noses I need a life

789 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:10pm

FNC just says he wasn't breathing when brought in. No other details on condition.

790 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:11pm

re: #780 pingjockey

Exactly, what in hell does that have to do with figuring out how many reps each state gets? Absolutley nothing. It's data mining and I find it intrusive and none of the Feds goddamned business.

It has everything to do with reapportionment. Demographics can tell you how someone is more likely to vote....and, you can make up a district based on those figures. So, if you are an unscrupulous politician and want to stack the deck in your favor, this is the time to do that.

791 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:29pm

re: #786 OldLineTexan

What kind of kittehs are wallabies? Bounce kittehs?

Marsupial kittehs.

792 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:32pm

re: #784 Jimmah

According to the BBC he wasn't breathing when the medics arrived at his house.

No breathing and no pulse, weren't able to restore either is what I'm reading.

793 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:34pm

re: #785 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right up there with the fainting goats I would imagine.

Shhh, I'm making a fortune smuggling those into the Middle East.

/

794 Pianobuff  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:44pm

re: #769 ShanghaiEd

Some might even say Romney was born to run.

He could help GM by opening a cadillac ranch.

795 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:58pm

re: #786 OldLineTexan

What kind of kittehs are wallabies? Bounce kittehs?

Junkeh kittehs, apparently.

796 opnion  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:03pm

re: #759 doppelganglander

That's sad about Michael Jackson. Three kids are without their father, and I really feel for them. Their lives have been bizarre anyway, but this sucks for anyone.

Odd to lose the Ultimate Charlie's Angel & the King of Pop on the same day.

797 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:06pm

WABC radio, New York: Jackson wasn't breathing when the EMTs arrived. Cardiac arrest was the diagnosis.

798 Gearhead  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:14pm

re: #768 Jimmah

I knew there had to be a rational explanation for those things. Just didn't see this particular rational explanation coming.

Apparently it's bad for the local (legit?) opium business. Maybe they should ship the lot of them to Afghanistan.

799 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:16pm

re: #791 Sharmuta

Marsupial kittehs.

taht wil be hard 2 spel!

800 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:18pm

For reference sake, I provide the Canadian 2001 Census

New questions in 2001
Language at work

* what language respondent uses most at work
* any other languages used regularly in the workplace
* question will provide insight on the vitality of official languages

Birthplace of parents

* last asked in 1971
* along with information from other questions such as place of birth, ethnic origin, visible minority and religion, this question provides a cultural portrait of the population of Canada, especially of second generation Canadians

Religion

* asked in every decennial census since 1871, it focuses on the respondent’s religion even if he/she is not currently a practicing member
* an important source of information on the ethnocultural profile of Canadians

Languages spoken at home

* what language respondent speaks most often at home and additional information on other languages spoken regularly by the respondent is asked
* more comprehensive question will enable users to better identify language behaviour in homes where more than one language is spoken.

Common-law couples

* in view of the legal recognition of same-sex couples and the related need by governments and private sector, the definition of common-law couples has been changed to include two people of the opposite sex or of the same sex who live together as a couple but who are not legally married to each other
* this definition is included in questions on common-law partners and on family and household relationships

801 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:22pm

re: #787 Sharmuta

CPR in the ambulance isn't a good sign.

Come to think of it, CPR anywhere is rarely a good sign.

802 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:24pm

re: #790 Desert Dog
Ah ha! Thanks. The percocet slows down my cognitive functions...but it feels great!

803 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:26pm

re: #786 OldLineTexan

What kind of kittehs are wallabies? Bounce kittehs?

Now they're hop heads.

804 Kragar  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:29pm

re: #795 Occasional Reader

Junkeh kittehs, apparently.

Pocket Kittehs

805 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:46pm

re: #799 OldLineTexan

taht wil be hard 2 spel!

Roo kittehs?

806 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:48pm

re: #795 Occasional Reader

Junkeh kittehs, apparently.

teh wallabeez needz twelf bouns program?

807 Hawaii69  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:57pm

If you ever wondered what it would be like to have Ann
Coulter in elected office...look to Bachman.

But hey...maybe she's got plenty of footnotes!

808 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:01:39pm

Farrah Fawcett Dies at 62, Succumbs to Cancer

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

809 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:01:41pm

re: #785 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right up there with the fainting goats I would imagine.

That reminded me of this:

The Vibrating Bum-faced Goats

Image: goats_low.gif

810 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:01:50pm

re: #799 OldLineTexan

taht wil be hard 2 spel!

Mar Soupy Al

811 UncleRancher  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:01:52pm

Jackson's dead. (Drudge)

812 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:01pm

re: #789 pingjockey

FNC just says he wasn't breathing when brought in. No other details on condition.

sorry fox news = lies

/

813 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:08pm

re: #804 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pocket Kittehs

We got a winner!

814 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:11pm

re: #763 OldLineTexan

Did he give you the night's bright colors? The Greens of summer?

LOL. Now that you mention it, no bright colors at all. Got a good pot of collards steaming for supper, though. Oh. Not those greens?

815 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:20pm

re: #806 OldLineTexan

teh wallabeez needz twelf bouns program?

The plight of the junkie Australian Wallabies was poignantly memorialized in the novel, Go Ask Alice Springs.

816 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:21pm

re: #801 Occasional Reader

Come to think of it, CPR anywhere is rarely a good sign.

Yeah. On my library rug (my friend who collapsed at the dinner table) scared the hell out of me.

817 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:28pm

re: #801 Occasional Reader

Come to think of it, CPR anywhere is rarely a good sign.

True.

818 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:34pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

Michael Jackson's dead

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

wow

Wow is right. That's too Bad. I guess he Beat It out of here and Never Can Say Goodbye anymore.

819 Desert Dog  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:44pm

re: #802 pingjockey

Ah ha! Thanks. The percocet slows down my cognitive functions...but it feels great!

In 2010-12, Obama and the DNC 's favorite Irishman will be Gerry Mander

820 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:46pm
821 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:51pm

re: #812 OldLineTexan

Heh.

822 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:11pm

re: #812 OldLineTexan

sorry fox news = lies

/

We got a whole network devoted to not worshiping The One! The outrage!

823 doubter4444  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:28pm

re: #711 OldLineTexan

I quit reading right after that bit of snot. Just thought you might like to know.

As you wish. You didn't miss anything profound.

824 SummerSong  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:43pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

Michael Jackson's dead

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

wow

I'm sorry for his family. He has small children.

825 midwestgak  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:51pm

re: #781 Dianna

He's dead. So, no.

{Dianna} and you know this because . . . .?

826 wintercat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:57pm

re: #691 doubter4444

Yeah, but, aren't we supposed to, you know, learn from history, from our mistakes and try to change?
Warren's support of internment was despicable and he regretted it. I think the take away here, just might be that it is something we need to be very very careful doing or even thinking of in the future.

Rant over, thanks.

Did you just happen to choose my post at random to go on your rant or did you in some way interpret my comments to be in support of internment? Just curious.

827 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:59pm

re: #816 Dianna

Yeah. On my library rug (my friend who collapsed at the dinner table) scared the hell out of me.

Erm... how did that turn out? (he asked, delicately)

828 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:09pm

re: #819 Desert Dog

In 2010-12, Obama and the DNC 's favorite Irishman will be Gerry Mander

Giving us yet more reasons for the elimination of television?

829 GGMac  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:15pm

re: #613 pingjockey

What is with the census questionaire that the Rep. doesn't like? Is the gov't asking more than the last census?
Or is she pissed like me, that a group known for fraud and chicanery is being allowed to 'help' with the census?


Yes, to both of your questions -

830 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:21pm

In addition to providing information necessary for legislative redistricting, everything on the census is linked to a specific federal program or measurement criteria. What Bachmann doesn't understand is that the federal government is mammoth, and its programs, massive. How many toilets?: a measurement of wealth and public health. During the 1930s, many Americans lacked plumbing and electricity. The New Deal wanted to identify where these services were required to target federal aid.

There are many, many other examples, all related to government social services.

831 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:23pm

re: #824 SummerSong

I'm sorry for his family. He has small children.

Me too- I hope they'll be alright.

832 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:28pm

re: #778 doppelganglander

I'm not optimistic about their chances with extended family members. I firmly believe MJ went round the bend because of the way his father mercilessly exploited him and his brothers. I also suspect there's approximately zero dollars in his estate, and crushing debts. He was living on the largesse of oil sheiks for the last few years.

hiya....Nice seeing you.
In this moment
At this time
I bow my heart and say a prayer for the departed
among us...
And I wish his children well....
And I hope today finds you well.....

833 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:48pm

re: #789 pingjockey

FNC just says he wasn't breathing when brought in. No other details on condition.

My local radio news, KOA, at the top of the hour, says no news, didn't mention death, I think they are being careful, said hospital has not made any announcements about condition, radio people never even used word "dead."

834 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:51pm

re: #819 Desert Dog
I remember seeing a map of some district somewhere and it looked like a snake that had swallowed a goat. All to get the 'right' representation.
The UCLA medical center will now be transformed into a msm 3 ring circus.

835 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:01pm

re: #822 Kenneth

btw, been meaning to ask when we're both in a slow thread --
...... how's your Dad doing?

836 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:04pm

re: #825 midwestgak

{Dianna} and you know this because . . . .?

TMZ, BBC, Drudge, Fox...

He's dead.

837 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:15pm

re: #790 Desert Dog

It has everything to do with reapportionment. Demographics can tell you how someone is more likely to vote....and, you can make up a district based on those figures. So, if you are an unscrupulous politician and want to stack the deck in your favor, this is the time to do that.

Gerry Mander is running the census office!

838 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:23pm

re: #827 Occasional Reader

Erm... how did that turn out? (he asked, delicately)

OR, do we have to talk again?

839 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:49pm

Michael Jackson finally-- Beat It!

840 wintercat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:54pm

Michael Jackson lived a very troubled life for all of his wealth and fame. I would not have traded places with him for an instant. RIP Michael.

841 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:06:15pm

re: #836 Dianna

TMZ, BBC, Drudge, Fox...

He's dead.

"..., Jim."

842 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:06:45pm

re: #841 Occasional Reader

"..., Jim."

Yes?

843 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:06:51pm

re: #829 GGMac
Well then I don't see how she gone off the rails. Then again I didn't read the article...oops.

844 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:06:56pm

Wow, Liz Taylor outlived Michael Jackson.

845 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:07:37pm

re: #820 buzzsawmonkey

Didn't the Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats have a platinum album a few years back?

Yeah I believe it was called "Smoke gets in your arse".

846 jcm  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:08:02pm

Michael Jackson is in a coma [Updated]
2:06 PM %P% June 25, 2009

[Updated at 2:46 p.m.: Pop star Michael Jackson is in a coma and his family is arriving at his bedside, a law enforcement source told The Times.

Jackson was rushed to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center this afternoon by Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics.

Fire Capt. Steve Ruda said paramedics responded to a call at Jackson's home at 12:26 p.m. He was not breathing when they arrived. The paramedics performed cardiopulmonary resuscitation and took him to the hospital, Ruda told The Times.

847 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:08:04pm

re: #839 quickjustice

Michael Jackson finally-- Beat It!

Could somebody, you perhaps, but anyone, could you tell me why in the hell you would make a comment like this. Even if you didn't like him, hated him, why would you make a snide remark about someone dying?

Enlighten me.

848 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:08:33pm

re: #835 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's very kind of you to ask. He's still mourning his loss, but he's doing well. He came for a visit a few weeks ago and was in a good frame of mind. Doing the right things. He gets a heck of a lot of joy from his grand kids.

849 opnion  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:08:57pm

re: #844 snowcrash

Wow, Liz Taylor outlived Michael Jackson.


Who would have made that bet? I read somewhere that Michael had converted to Islam at the behest of his brother Jermaine.
I wonder what type of services & burial he will have.

850 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:09:09pm

re: #827 Occasional Reader

Erm... how did that turn out? (he asked, delicately)

Fine.

Though I thought my Male was going to throw up after the EMTs hauled Ruth out.

He says that he doesn't remember it, but, when Ruth went over, he moved the kid she slumped against out of the way, lifted Ruth and carried her to the library. Neither he, nor our friend Charlie, could find a pulse, and she wasn't breathing. So Charlie managed her airway, my Male did compressions, I dealt with getting paramedics, Charlie's wife managed the dogs, and the two kids stayed out of the way.

I hope never to have anything like that happen again. Not over dinner.

851 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:09:17pm

re: #848 Kenneth

That's very kind of you to ask. He's still mourning his loss, but he's doing well. He came for a visit a few weeks ago and was in a good frame of mind. Doing the right things. He gets a heck of a lot of joy from his grand kids.

:D

Good news!

852 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:09:19pm

re: #840 wintercat

Amen. I hope he has rest. His father was horribly abusive to all the Jacksom kids.

853 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #832 HoosierHoops

hiya....Nice seeing you.
In this moment
At this time
I bow my heart and say a prayer for the departed
among us...
And I wish his children well....
And I hope today finds you well.....

I'm fine, Hoops, thanks for asking. You are such a kind soul - no matter who it is, you've got a thought and a prayer for them, even Michael Jackson.

854 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:10:34pm

Later folks, bbq calling my name...

855 opnion  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:10:53pm

re: #852 Kenneth

Amen. I hope he has rest. His father was horribly abusive to all the Jacksom kids.

Yeah, the elder Jackson was brutal.

856 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:11:23pm

re: #847 Walter L. Newton

Thanks Walter.

857 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:11:26pm

re: #854 Kenneth

Later folks, bbq calling my name...

Literally?

Have you been hanging out with those wallabies again, Kenneth?

858 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:11:33pm

re: #849 opnion
Oh yeah, I remember that. Interesting. Bet his memorial will be as media filled dramatic circus as his life.

859 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:29pm

re: #850 Dianna

Excellent work by all of you.

Reminds me; I need to get re-certified for CPR.

860 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:31pm

re: #856 pingjockey

Thanks Walter.

It's too bad I even have to ever post a comment like that.

861 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:37pm

re: #857 Occasional Reader

Literally?

Have you been hanging out with those wallabies again, Kenneth?

teh pokit kittehs did sum drugz ... drugz r bad r u, OK?!?!? omg! dont eat teh drugz, pokit kittehs! srsly!

862 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:42pm

re: #854 Kenneth

Later folks, bbq calling my name...

We're glad you came in and sauce for awhile!

863 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:44pm

re: #850 Dianna

Fine.

Though I thought my Male was going to throw up after the EMTs hauled Ruth out.

He says that he doesn't remember it, but, when Ruth went over, he moved the kid she slumped against out of the way, lifted Ruth and carried her to the library. Neither he, nor our friend Charlie, could find a pulse, and she wasn't breathing. So Charlie managed her airway, my Male did compressions, I dealt with getting paramedics, Charlie's wife managed the dogs, and the two kids stayed out of the way.

I hope never to have anything like that happen again. Not over dinner.

I'm glad she's okay. Thank goodness you all were there.

864 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:13:08pm

re: #860 Walter L. Newton
Any of us.

865 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:13:13pm
866 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:13:36pm

re: #862 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We're glad you came in and sauce for awhile!

boys and grills ... it never changes

/OR, take notes

867 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:14:07pm

re: #865 buzzsawmonkey

I updinged you for that.

/you rat bastid

868 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:14:07pm

re: #863 doppelganglander

I'm glad she's okay. Thank goodness you all were there.

Oh, yes. I get cold chills when I think about it.

Ruth's been my friend these twenty years, we've gone through some really bad times together, and I can't stand the thought of her not being around.

869 callahan23  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:14:56pm

re: #853 doppelganglander

I'm fine, Hoops, thanks for asking. You are such a kind soul - no matter who it is, you've got a thought and a prayer for them, even Michael Jackson.

The Hoopster is one of the 'Righteous Among The Lizards'

870 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:15:27pm

re: #866 OldLineTexan

boys and grills ... it never changes

/OR, take notes

Lima 'lone!

871 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:15:28pm

re: #865 buzzsawmonkey
That's cause most of us lizards enjoy our arguments and move along. Very discerning bunch in here, left and right. Plus it is damn fun!

872 Neutral President  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:15:28pm

OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And no mention of course.

873 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:15:47pm

I'm going to go dip my toe into the next thread, now that this one's gone slow.

874 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:08pm

re: #862 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We're glad you came in and sauce for awhile!

You're really starting to make an asado yo'self with these puns.

875 pingjockey  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:10pm

Going up thread

876 Dianna  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:20pm

re: #872 ArchangelMichael

OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And no mention of course.

They credit zombie for the pictures.

877 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:23pm

re: #872 ArchangelMichael

OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And no mention of course.


I'm mentioned. Look at the caption for the photo.

878 opnion  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:31pm

re: #858 snowcrash

Oh yeah, I remember that. Interesting. Bet his memorial will be as media filled dramatic circus as his life.

You can bet that it will be a raging zoo with all of the media.
I just hope that they don't make the thing too vulgar.

879 zombie  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:37pm

re: #876 Dianna

Jinx!

880 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:43pm

re: #865 buzzsawmonkey

Totally OT--and something which will probably get lost down here at the bottom of the thread--I'd like to observe that there is a very nice phenomenon on this site; that people who have had major disagreements (sometimes quite acrimonious) nonetheless upding each other should some other amusing, interesting or merely agreeable comment be made.

In other words, grudges do not, for the most part, seem to be held across the board between posters, and they are invested in being agreeable and supportive of each other outside of the rigors of a particular discussion.

I think that shows a very nice culture, and believe it is worthy of noting.


THAT'S ALL OF THIS CRAP I'M GONNA TAKE, YOU @$#%&@ !

////////// UP-ding !

881 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:58pm

re: #872 ArchangelMichael

OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And no mention of course.

Yes there is, see the byline on the photos, and Zombie said that Fox paid for the use of the photos.

882 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:14pm

re: #872 ArchangelMichael

OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And no mention of course.

Actually ... if you look under the pictures, you will see a credit.

Several posts by zombie upthread on the subject.

883 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:17pm

re: #865 buzzsawmonkey

Well said.

884 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:18pm

re: #865 buzzsawmonkey

In other words, grudges do not, for the most part, seem to be held across the board between posters

We should designate one day at the end of the week for all the grudges to be re-floated and argued vehemently. We could call it "Hot Grudge Sunday".

885 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:35pm

re: #879 zombie

Jinx!

Sorry, didn't know you were still here, just covering an answer for you.

886 callahan23  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:42pm

re: #874 Occasional Reader

You're really starting to make an asado yo'self with these puns.

Don't go 'n pun with 'asado' the holy grail of south ameerican culture as you well know.
;-)

887 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:18:05pm

re: #874 Occasional Reader

You're really starting to make an asado yo'self with these puns.

Yeah, I've turned into a real dip!

888 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:18:31pm

re: #866 OldLineTexan

boys and grills ... it never changes

/OR, take notes

I won't take notes about grill puns, weber you ask me to or not.

889 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:19:31pm

re: #886 callahan23

Don't go 'n pun with 'asado' the holy grail of south ameerican culture as you well know.
;-)

[trying to think of pun that uses "chimichurri"]

890 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:20:13pm

So, is he dead or isnt he?

Farrah passes away today (boy, did I have the hots for her as a young whippersnapper) and the gloved one tries to upstage her. Good grief.

891 arf  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:20:19pm

Even if she's a member of the Looney Right (as opposed to the Looney Left), am I alone here, feeling uncomfortable with any connection at all between ACORN and the Census?

892 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:20:29pm

re: #889 Occasional Reader

[trying to think of pun that uses "chimichurri"]

chimichurri chimichurri chim chim-churee
asado's as spicy as spicy can be

893 Neutral President  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:20:47pm

re: #877 zombie

Oh wow, color me amazed. I read through the article but didn't look at the 6-point font photo caption.

It's the time of the work day where I'm about 3/5 asleep and counting the minutes until I can leave so cut me some slack.

894 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:21:33pm

re: #893 ArchangelMichael

Oh wow, color me amazed. I read through the article but didn't look at the 6-point font photo caption.

It's the time of the work day where I'm about 3/5 asleep and counting the minutes until I can leave so cut me some slack.

Here's a yard and a half, tell the clerk up front I said it was complimentary.

895 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:21:39pm

re: #892 OldLineTexan

chimichurri chimichurri chim chim-churee
asado's as spicy as spicy can be

Damn. Sometimes you gap-toothed fundie snake-handlers surprise me.

896 callahan23  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:21:45pm

On Michael Jackson: On Wikipedia the page on him is 'This page is currently protected from editing.'

While the page on Farrah Fawcett is already amended.

897 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:22:08pm

re: #877 zombie

I'm mentioned. Look at the caption for the photo.

" ... maximally free of all the 'isms' ... "

Why in th' heck do I wanna keep reading that as ...
........ "maximally TREED IN all the 'isms' " ........ ?

/haven't a clue

898 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:22:28pm

re: #886 callahan23

Don't go 'n pun with 'asado' the holy grail of south ameerican culture as you well know.
;-)

CUA-DRILL HERE
CUA-DRILL NOW!

899 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:23:48pm

re: #895 Occasional Reader

Damn. Sometimes you gap-toothed fundie snake-handlers surprise me.

That was a vicious lie!

900 opnion  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:23:51pm

re: #891 arf

Even if she's a member of the Looney Right (as opposed to the Looney Left), am I alone here, feeling uncomfortable with any connection at all between ACORN and the Census?

No ,you are not alone. It is outrageous to have Acorn involved.

901 Kenneth  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:25:25pm

re: #862 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We're glad you came in and sauce for awhile!

please, enough with the buns, ok?

902 [deleted]  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:25:47pm
903 Neutral President  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:26:41pm

re: #881 Walter L. Newton

Sleep commenting is worse than drunk commenting. I need to heed this lesson.

904 doubter4444  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:27:09pm

re: #826 wintercat

Did you just happen to choose my post at random to go on your rant or did you in some way interpret my comments to be in support of internment? Just curious.

I sort of melanged the two, sorry!
I read and agreed with your point that the internments were terrible, and took your comment to be just that, a gross abuse of people's freedoms.

Should of made another post about the census, but was lazy.

905 GGMac  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:42:28pm

re: #843 pingjockey

Well then I don't see how she gone off the rails. Then again I didn't read the article...oops.

She hasn't gone off the rails - she's merely a Republican at odds with Obama and his plans for a nanny-state.

906 WinterCat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:25:54pm

re: #904 doubter4444

I sort of melanged the two, sorry!
I read and agreed with your point that the internments were terrible, and took your comment to be just that, a gross abuse of people's freedoms.

Should of made another post about the census, but was lazy.

No problem. Just didn't quite understand.

907 loudguitars  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:35:56pm

The census questionaire is completely intrusive. Much of this information is private and personal and given the government's stellar history of data management, it WILL end up in someone elses hands or used by a government agency to profile you. Who in the government needs to know how much my condo fees area? It is INSANE! I have read that groups that receive government funds for voter registration (ACORN?) could have access to this data. It IS a privacy issue. I think the "Internment" comparison is a little over the top, but I am very concerned about this and still not sure that I will fill all of it out.

908 kansas  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:37:20pm

During WWII our country had the balls to make decisions of self preservation. Now..not so much.

909 revgdright  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:58:35pm

I don't know whether he was considered hard right or not, but J. Edgar Hoover was just about the only person in Washington who was against the Internment program.

910 quickjustice  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 7:25:10pm

A failed attempt at humor, Walter, using the title of an old hit of his. I don't wish death or illness on any human being, and we're all mortal. Michael Jackson was very talented, but led a very strange life. I can't help but remember the accusations against him. True? I'll never know.

If the reports that someone injected a large dose of demerol into him shortly before his death are true, then maybe he chose the moment of his departure.

911 karloveloce  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 8:52:14pm

In true form for whacked out Minnesota politics and politicians, Bachmann never fails to deliver. Representing one of a few Republican districts within spitting distance of Mpls./St.Paul, the words that have come forth from her mouth continue to astound. She isn't dumb as she initially appears. It took me a while to recognize her political savvy and cunning. She is playing the line for sure but is making up her own script as she goes along. There do be a method to her madness for sure.

912 Optimizer  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 9:24:37pm

re: #177 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, was the census used that way for internment? I honestly don't know.

She might not be wrong, just catastrophically stupid...

...I'd still hit it though.

I get the impression that the Census Bureau involvement in the Internment was slim to none, that they DID however pass SOME information to govt agencies where they normally wouldn't have in the time frame 1942-1947 (due to a law that was on the books during that time). This abstract, for example, talks about it:

[Link: paa2007.princeton.edu...]

Some earlier in this thread gave a link to an article that claimed that the Census Bureau had "finally" 'fessed up, but if you actually READ the article it says some info was given to the Secret Service about some people living in DC - even THAT instance had nothing to do with the internments.

So she probably IS wrong, but it would be unfair to call her "catastrophically stupid" about this.

913 Optimizer  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 9:47:40pm

I don't know too much about Bachmann, except that we seem to be seeing more of her lately. Perhaps either the leftists in the major media are getting afraid of her, or she's looking for more visibility to pursue higher office.

This piece is pretty clearly unfair. Bachmann raises a legitimate point - what IS a citizen to do when they feel that the Federal govt is getting just too damn nosy, and too damn untrustworthy? They focus on just the Japanese Internment part of the interview, where she is crystal clear about offering that up as an example of how the govt can say they won't use info against you one minute - and turn around and do it the next. Then they try to make it seem like she's sounding the alarm against another round of Japanese internments.

The fact that Census data hasn't been misused in decades has little bearing on the case, since there are some important differences this time around. First, Obama has side-stepped the Secretary of Commerce, which I think is unprecedented. Ask yourself, "Why would he do that? Doesn't have enough other things to do already?" Something smells really rotten. This is the guy who has solid associations with ACORN - which is basically a corrupt and socialist organization (pardon the redundancy). And, BTW, that organization is going to be involved in said census - despite their having become synonymous with voter fraud and the census being all about representation in elections!

I don't buy the "only give a count" argument, since the Constitution leaves the census content up to Congress, but there are fundamental privacy issues afoot. And giving representation to illegal aliens is just the start of what Obama and his socialist henchmen might be up to.

914 kywrite  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 10:11:15pm

I'm planning on giving them number in household (and ages -- that's okay), telling them I am NOT white (cuz I'm a mutt) and sending them on their way.

Why?

a) Because I foresee ACORN falsifying just as much info on the census as they did in voter registration and why should I bother?

b) Because there is no spot on the census to say whether you are here legally or not -- not that the truth would be told, but still, I'd say that data is more important than how many toilets you own.

This means the census as it stands today will not be doing its original job of representational apportionment.

Also saw something stating that you're required to let census takers into your house? Ain't gonna happen. NOBODY comes into my house but people I know or whom I have specifically invited. They'll stand on the porch and like it for the three minutes I bother talking to them.

915 princetrumpet  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:48:20am

re: #50 Kosh's Shadow

So that's why the new census form says:

Religion:
_Muslim
_Dhimmi Christian
_Son of Pigs and Monkeys*
_Infidel atheist
_Other *

* If you checked one of the starred items, please report to your community organizer within 7 days.

////DO I NEED TO SAY THIS IS SARC?

These days, yes.

916 princetrumpet  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:53:26am

re: #913 Optimizer

One up-ding to counter the down-ding. It's a patently unfair piece. Irrespective of this somewhat silly reach on MB's part, her initial points about ACORN are right. They're dishonest and I want them to have nothing to do with the census. Her larger point is sound and you don't have to be a Ron Paul supporter, troofer or nirther to see that. A reasonable person can see it.


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