Overnight Open Thread

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Open • Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:18 pm PDT • Views: 168

In times long past, this planet was the home of a mighty, noble race of beings who called themselves the Krell. Ethically and technologically they were a million years ahead of humankind, for in unlocking the meaning of nature they had conquered even their baser selves, and when in the course of eons they had abolished sickness and insanity, crime and all injustice, they turned, still in high benevolence, upwards towards space. Then, having reached the heights, this all-but-divine race disappeared in a single night, and nothing was preserved above ground.

Dr. Morbius, Forbidden Planet

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1 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:20:25pm

Chilling words.

2 Silvergirl  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:22:57pm

Then, having reached the heights, this all-but-divine race disappeared in a single night, and nothing was preserved above ground.

"Movin' on Up!
To a dee-luxe apartment in the sky, We're movin' on up!"

3 Macker  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:23:02pm

Dang, I gotta watch that movie again sometime.

4 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:23:31pm

It's industrial espionage, you've come to steal our great ideas. You've been foiled; we have none!

Billy Quizboy- The Venture Brothers

5 calcajun  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:24:23pm

Pepperidge Farm has now captured that flavor with their Krell pop-overs!

6 Gus  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:24:23pm

This calls for...

Dramatic Kiteh!

7 iLikeCandy  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:24:37pm

Is this the animation with the little Oms and the big blue people?

8 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:24:45pm

Damn Utopians.

9 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:24:59pm

Best Sci-fi movie EVAR!

10 calcajun  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:25:51pm

re: #9 ArchangelMichael

You mean it's not "Santa Claus vs The Martians"?

11 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:27:11pm
12 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:27:28pm

re: #10 calcajun

You mean it's not "Santa Claus vs The Martians"?

Worst Sci-fi movie EVAR!

13 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:28:13pm

re: #9 ArchangelMichael

Best Sci-fi movie EVAR!

Absolutely! Classic!

I heard they were remaking it though, which makes me unhappy.

14 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:28:35pm

the tacky jokes have started about today's events...

15 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:29:35pm

re: #14 redc1c4

the tacky jokes have started about today's events...

And ... ?

16 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:30:16pm
17 calcajun  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:30:42pm

re: #14 redc1c4

They started 30 seconds after the news hit the airwaves.

18 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:30:51pm

re: #10 calcajun

Or The Prince of Space?

19 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:31:09pm

re: #15 Bobibutu

And ... ?

is that a request?

20 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:31:21pm

re: #13 iceweasel

I heard that JMS (Babylon 5) is supposed to be involved, so I'm not absolutely horrified, but I'm still concerned they are going to fuck it up...

And make me very angry.

21 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:32:31pm

re: #14 redc1c4

You mean about Micheal Jackson?

He died as he lived...adored by some, ridiculed by others for the creepy shit he did with kids.

22 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:33:00pm

re: #19 redc1c4

is that a request?

Shamefully ... YES

23 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:33:33pm

Please don't with the jokes.

24 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:33:47pm

Can we give him 24 hours?

25 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:35:15pm

re: #20 ArchangelMichael

I heard that JMS (Babylon 5) is supposed to be involved, so I'm not absolutely horrified, but I'm still concerned they are going to fuck it up...

And make me very angry.

Unless the reviews say it's the best thing EVAR! I don't think I can go see it, because I love the original too much. The odds just say I'll find too much to nitpick and criticise in any remake of it.

I'm not normally such a purist, but Forbidden Planet is special.

26 pat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:40:03pm

I hated that robot.

27 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:40:42pm

re: #25 iceweasel

Unless the reviews say it's the best thing EVAR! I don't think I can go see it, because I love the original too much. The odds just say I'll find too much to nitpick and criticise in any remake of it.

I'm not normally such a purist, but Forbidden Planet is special.

Totally agree. For 1956, the movie was amazing. Aside from a couple of hokey outdated visual effects, it's better than any sci-fi movie Hollywood puts out now. If they ruin it I will be devastated. I wanted to send Tim Burton a steaming dog turd in a box after the way he ruined Planet of the Apes. I hope JMS doesn't make me hate him.

28 cheechako  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:44:32pm

Testing new avatar.

29 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:45:54pm

re: #24 Sharmuta

Can we give him 24 hours?

Ah - at a dinner meeting tonight (seniors) we all toasted FF, MJ and Ed for the enjoyment they gave us. And then moved on. The subject was never brought up again. For what it's worth.

30 gmsc  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:46:13pm

re: #14 redc1c4

the tacky jokes have started about today's events...

Most of the tacky jokes started looong before today's events. They're just being recycled.

31 gmsc  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:46:54pm

re: #28 cheechako

Testing new avatar.

Slumbering Behemoth may want a word with you.
;)

32 cheechako  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:48:06pm

re: #31 gmsc

Slumbering Behemoth may want a word with you.
;)


Yah, I'm just tyring to keep up.

33 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:49:14pm

re: #26 pat

I hated that robot.

He has the 2 best lines.

Robby where have you been? I beamed and beamed.
"Sorry Miss. I was giving myself an oil job."

"Yes, relatively simple alcohol molecules with traces of fusil oil. Would 60 gallons be sufficient?"
60 GALLONS!

34 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:51:16pm

re: #22 Bobibutu

Shamefully ... YES

go here

i'll be good, for once. %-)

35 sngnsgt  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:51:22pm

re: #28 cheechako

Yep, it looks like an avatar to me. /

36 cheechako  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:51:24pm

But, I'm pure. This wasn't photo-shopped. It was taken on September 4th over central Oregon.

37 cheechako  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:52:09pm

re: #36 cheechako

But, I'm pure. This wasn't photo-shopped. It was taken on September 4th 2003 over central Oregon.

PIMF

38 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:52:34pm

re: #30 gmsc

Most of the tacky jokes started looong before today's events. They're just being recycled.

not this one... trust me.

39 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:53:01pm

re: #36 cheechako

But, I'm pure. This wasn't photo-shopped. It was taken on September 4th over central Oregon.

sure it was...

40 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:53:11pm

re: #29 Bobibutu

I have mixed feelings. Troubled person, and hopefully he'll be at peace now is about as much as I can say. Listened to some Jackson 5 earlier, and I'd like to remember him like that.

Dig those funky striped pants!

41 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:53:17pm

re: #34 redc1c4

Danka.

42 Mauser  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:54:24pm

re: #7 iLikeCandy

Is this the animation with the little Oms and the big blue people?

That was "Fantastic Planet" iirc.

Worst thing about this Michael Jackson thing is that it has shoved all the news about Farrah Faucett out of the news.

43 pat  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:54:27pm

I think This Island Earth was better. Great concepts. i love the mini Dyson sphere.

44 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:55:16pm

Hell- adults have a hard time dealing with celebrity, and this guy had it his whole life. Messes people up.

45 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:55:19pm

So if a civilization is so advanced that it can leave a planet overnight and leave no trace of itself, how is it that a guy can later tell a story about it?

Which reminds me of Uri Geller, who happens to have been a close friend/associate of Michael Jackson.

46 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:55:49pm

re: #27 ArchangelMichael

Totally agree. For 1956, the movie was amazing. Aside from a couple of hokey outdated visual effects, it's better than any sci-fi movie Hollywood puts out now. If they ruin it I will be devastated. I wanted to send Tim Burton a steaming dog turd in a box after the way he ruined Planet of the Apes. I hope JMS doesn't make me hate him.

Even the (few) hokey visual effects have a certain charm for me. I was realising while watching your clip that I don't even want them to change any of the audio effects-- the sounds of the ship landing, nothing.

And I almost mentioned Planet of the Apes in my earlier comment! I think that experience is why I can't stand the idea of seeing Forbidden Planet remade. *shudder*

But, if the reviews are overwhelmingly positive, I'll have to do it. Dammit.

47 Bob Dillon  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:55:50pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

RGR - I kinda missed all that stuff. Knew he was out there but not my bag.

48 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:56:41pm

re: #42 Mauser

That was "Fantastic Planet" iirc.

Worst thing about this Michael Jackson thing is that it has shoved all the news about Farrah Faucett out of the news.

well, that and it was kinda hard on him too...

49 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:57:12pm

re: #44 Sharmuta

Hell- adults have a hard time dealing with celebrity, and this guy had it his whole life. Messes people up.

his dad didn't help matters either.

50 Mauser  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:57:47pm

re: #16 ArchangelMichael


Forbidden Planet drove me crazy. The Doctor put me on Theramin, but it made me all "WoooOOOooo".

51 Millicent Islam  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:59:25pm

re: #49 redc1c4

his dad didn't help matters either.

That's one reason why I feel sorry for him. If only part of that is true, it would mess anyone up for a long time.

52 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:59:30pm

re: #42 Mauser

That was "Fantastic Planet" iirc.

Worst thing about this Michael Jackson thing is that it has shoved all the news about Farrah Faucett out of the news.

If you want- here's the Charlie's Angels pilot in its entirety.

/Jaclyn Smith was always my favorite tho

53 redc1c4  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:59:34pm

re: #50 Mauser

Forbidden Planet drove me crazy. The Doctor put me on Theramin, but it made me all "WoooOOOooo".

we'll put a note in your chart

54 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jun 25, 2009 11:59:50pm

re: #45 karmic_inquisitor

So if a civilization is so advanced that it can leave a planet overnight and leave no trace of itself, how is it that a guy can later tell a story about it?

Which reminds me of Uri Geller, who happens to have been a close friend/associate of Michael Jackson.

They didn't leave. They destroyed themselves and their whole planet except for "The Great Machine" which was the instrument of that destruction. Everything known about them was from that machine and it's control room.

55 gmsc  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:00:01am

Today in History, June 26th:

Highlights of this day in history: President John F. Kennedy rallies West Berlin during the Cold War; The U.N. Charter signed; Scientists complete first rough map of the human genetic code; Charlie Chaplin's 'The Gold Rush' premieres.

Other notable June 26th events include:

1870 – The Christian holiday of Christmas is declared a federal holiday in the United States.

1909 – The Science Museum in London comes into existence as an independent entity.

1927 – The Cyclone roller coaster opens on Coney Island.

1934 – President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs the Federal Credit Union Act, which establishes credit unions.

1948 – Shirley Jackson's short story The Lottery is published in The New Yorker magazine.

1974 – The Universal Product Code is scanned for the first time to sell a package of Wrigley's chewing gum at the Marsh Supermarket in Troy, Ohio.

1976 – The CN Tower, the world's tallest free-standing structure on land, is opened to general public.

1997 – The U.S. Supreme Court rules that the Communications Decency Act violates the First Amendment.

2003 – The U.S. Supreme Court rules in Lawrence v. Texas that gender-based sodomy laws are unconstitutional.

2008 – The U.S. Supreme Court rules in District of Columbia v. Heller that the ban on handguns in the District of Columbia is unconstitutional.

56 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:01:06am

re: #51 iceweasel

That's one reason why I feel sorry for him. If only part of that is true, it would mess anyone up for a long time.

RUMINT was that dad had him on hormones to retard puberty, so that his voice wouldn't change. if true, that would explain lots of things.

57 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:03:07am

re: #56 redc1c4

RUMINT was that dad had him on hormones to retard puberty, so that his voice wouldn't change. if true, that would explain lots of things.

That wouldn't surprise me one bit either.

58 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:03:54am

re: #55 gmsc

2008 – The U.S. Supreme Court rules in District of Columbia v. Heller that the ban on handguns in the District of Columbia is unconstitutional, and that the 2nd Amendment codifies an individual right to keep and bear arms for self defense.

59 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:04:12am

re: #58 redc1c4

FTFY!

60 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:05:45am

re: #56 redc1c4

RUMINT was that dad had him on hormones to retard puberty, so that his voice wouldn't change. if true, that would explain lots of things.

I had also heard that, years ago, way before he got in any trouble. And yes, I think it would explain an awful lot.
I ran across a comment elsewhere today that excerpted some claims about the way his father treated him. I had never heard those details, and as I said, if even part of it is true...anyone would be messed up.

I believe the story about the hormones.

61 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:06:00am

re: #43 pat

I think This Island Earth was better. Great concepts. i love the mini Dyson sphere.

Never saw that one so I have no basis for comparison.

62 Silvergirl  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:06:15am

re: #55 gmsc

Today in History

I remember the slow creepy feeling of reading Shirley Jackson's story and realizing what it was. The Lottery.

63 zombie  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:07:54am

In all the coverage of Michael Jackson's death today, not once did I see the name of his group spelled correctly -- the way it was originally intended to be spelled:

The Jackson 5ive.

Every single article spells it either The Jackson Five or The Jackson 5. Strange how so many reporters and editors can all universally not know the same basic fact.

(Of course, no one ever could spell it right in the late '60s or early '70s either, so Motown eventually stopped spelling it that way on the official records and so forth, caving in to the popular insistence on the misspelled version.)

64 Mauser  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:09:34am

re: #53 redc1c4

we'll put a note in your chart

More of a waveform...

65 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:11:05am

re: #34 redc1c4

go here

i'll be good, for once. %-)

Naughty - that popped me into an old GF on facebook.

66 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:12:12am

re: #64 Mauser

More of a waveform...

there's no way we're going to waive the forms: they are a requirement to receive Obamacare

67 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:12:51am

re: #65 Bobibutu

Naughty - that popped me into an old GF on facebook.

did you see the text a posts down on the same subject?

68 zombie  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:13:11am

In case anyone needs proof -- here are actual artifacts from the era:

The Jackson 5ive

The Jackson 5ive

The official band "greatest hits" collection:
The Jackson 5ive

The Jackson 5ive

69 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:13:27am

re: #66 redc1c4

there's no way we're going to waive the forms: they are a requirement to receive Obamacare

In old America, you fill out forms. In Obamamerica, forms fill you out!

70 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:14:11am

re: #66 redc1c4

there's no way we're going to waive the forms: they are a requirement to receive Obamacare

It is past time to outlaw unions - especially in CA. Jeese!

71 zombie  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:15:55am

re: #50 Mauser

Forbidden Planet drove me crazy. The Doctor put me on Theramin, but it made me all "WoooOOOooo".

If you just made up that joke on the spot, a million updings.

If you're merely repeating an old pre-exiting joke I had never heard before, you still get 10,000 updings, simply because it's such a classic.

72 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:16:05am

re: #67 redc1c4

did you see the text a posts down on the same subject?

Gotta go back and look.

73 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:16:30am

Tomorrow's the pivotal day for cap & trade (or as I heard various lizrds or talk-show hosts refer to it; kneecap and trade or crap and tirade)...

How fucked are we going to be if that passes at all?

/How many 0bama policy proposals can I ask that about in less than 6 months anyway?

74 zombie  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:17:34am

re: #55 gmsc

Today in History, June 26th

You need to add one:

2009: Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson die within a few miles of each other just a couple hours apart, in Los Angeles.

75 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:18:33am

re: #67 redc1c4

did you see the text a posts down on the same subject?

Very strange - now there is a different page.

76 Silvergirl  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:19:25am

Dorothy only fell asleep in the poppy field.


Australian wallabies are eating opium poppies
and creating crop circles as they hop around "as high as a kite", a government official has said.

77 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:19:46am

re: #73 Fenway_Nation

Tomorrow's the pivotal day for cap & trade (or as I heard various lizrds or talk-show hosts refer to it; kneecap and trade or crap and tirade)...

How fucked are we going to be if that passes at all?

/How many 0bama policy proposals can I ask that about in less than 6 months anyway?

Unlike CommieCare™, I believe that Kneecap and trade can probably be "un-done" in the future at some point without it being a herculean task to do so. So worst case scenario, we deal with it on election day 2010 and 2012.

78 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:19:50am

re: #74 zombie

You need to add one:

2009: Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson die within a few miles of each other just a couple hours apart, in Los Angeles.

Light years apart.

79 Clemente  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:20:55am

re: #64 Mauser

re: #53 redc1c4

we'll put a note in your chart

More of a waveform...

Sounds like a slur!

/ runs out the side door

80 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:20:57am

Tommy Lee Jones was in the Charlie's Angels pilot- I didn't know that.

81 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:22:29am

re: #80 Sharmuta

Tommy Lee Jones was in the Charlie's Angels pilot- I didn't know that.

Too cool - I would like to watch that.

Any links?

82 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:24:05am

re: #77 ArchangelMichael

But how much damage will be done before it can be reversed?

And Card Check? As a recently-unemployed person who's looking for a career in transportation, Card Check and kneecap and trade are the ones that keep me up at night...

I'll worry about things like company provided health insurance or union dues and benefits when I get a job.

83 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:24:42am

re: #81 Bobibutu

Yes

84 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:27:16am

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

But how much damage will be done before it can be reversed?

And Card Check? As a recently-unemployed person who's looking for a career in transportation, Card Check and kneecap and trade are the ones that keep me up at night...

I'll worry about things like company provided health insurance or union dues and benefits when I get a job.

the LNDT keeps me up at night...

whereas beer is the reason i get up every afternoon. %-)

85 sngnsgt  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:27:24am

The worst exploitation of Michael Jackson's name:

In-Memory-of-The-King-com

86 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:28:01am

re: #75 Bobibutu

Very strange - now there is a different page.

just search for Red Seewun

87 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:29:17am

re: #83 Sharmuta

Yes

Major overload ;-) - THX

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:29:24am

re: #31 gmsc

Nah, I'm cool. It's similar, but very different. It's not like Cheech was avatar jacking.

89 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:32:27am

busy day coming up, much local excitrement and w*rk to do...

hasta y'all.

L8r!

90 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:32:59am

re: #85 sngnsgt

Oh damn...I totally fell asleep at the switch on my domain-name registration ideas this week.

tehranisburning.com/.net/.cc
&
youquierocokecero.co.ve (something Venezuela specific, at least)

91 Wendya  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:33:10am

re: #85 sngnsgt

The worst exploitation of Michael Jackson's name:

In-Memory-of-The-King-com

$999,999,999.00? Yeah... good luck with that one.

92 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:33:46am

re: #89 redc1c4

Hasta la pasta, red!

93 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:38:18am

Man, this has been a ridiculous day.

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:39:04am

re: #89 redc1c4

Why do I even bother staying up when you're just gonna ditch without making the Tainted Fruitcup? I mean, how else will I get to see fire-breathing polar bears with giraffe legs battle cyborg, lesbian midgets wielding radioactive balloon animals?

How, I ask you?

/nite Red.

95 gmsc  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:40:14am

re: #74 zombie

You need to add one:

2009: Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson die within a few miles of each other just a couple hours apart, in Los Angeles.

If they hadn't have died on June 25th, I would've added it.
;)

96 Silvergirl  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:40:35am

re: #93 TheMatrix31

Man, this has been a ridiculous day.

Fruitcup will help make it better. But I can't make it, so good-night.

Say a prayer or think good thoughts for Mandy and family.

97 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:41:02am

re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth

Umm...click your heels together three times and say 'There's no place like home'?

98 gmsc  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:41:12am

re: #91 Wendya

$999,999,999.00? Yeah... good luck with that one.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
-P.T. Barnum

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:44:47am

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Umm...click your heels together three times and say 'There's no place like home'?

So, you have seen Michael Bay's "Wizard of Oz".
/

100 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:50:37am

re: #96 Silvergirl

Fruitcup will help make it better. But I can't make it, so good-night.

Say a prayer or think good thoughts for Mandy and family.

What happened with her? :-/

101 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:52:20am

re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth

Why do I even bother staying up when you're just gonna ditch without making the Tainted Fruitcup? I mean, how else will I get to see fire-breathing polar bears with giraffe legs battle cyborg, lesbian midgets wielding radioactive balloon animals?

How, I ask you?

/nite Red.

I'm noticing a running theme from you lately involving midget pron. This might be the first mention of lesbian midgets, though.

I'm not judging!
/

102 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:52:54am

re: #96 Silvergirl

G'nite, silver...

Hm, silver- that reminds me. ...this is probably as good a time as any for Fenway's Overnight Precious Metlas Update:

Gold- $945.40 an ounce (up 0.69%)
Silver- $14.19 an ounce (up 1.4%)
Palladium- $246 an ounce (up 1.2%)
Platinum- $1203 an ounce (up 1.5%)
Rhodium- $1275 an ounce (up 1.9%)

103 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:53:10am

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

[Link: mlb.mlb.com...]

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 12:54:02am

Just a snarky experiment...

Don-Las-Vegas, I see your link in the spin-offs above. That link was posted by Charles on the front page just a day or so ago.

Not hard to understand how you would be unaware of that since you seem to only use LGF as a vehicle to pimp your blog.

Registered since: Mar 21, 2007 at 7:05 pm
No. of comments posted: 3
No. of links posted: 313

105 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:00:52am

re: #101 iceweasel

Two things:

1) That post was not about pr0n, but about an epic battle between two fanatical factions.

2) Pr0n or not, you seem to be perversely fixated on the midget and or lesbian angle while completely ignoring the most important aspect. They're cyborgs. Freaking cyborgs, man!

Sheesh, where are your priorities!
///

106 gmsc  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:03:55am

I have to get some sleep for work tomorrow. Good night, all!

107 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:04:40am

re: #106 gmsc

'Gnite, party pi people!

108 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:06:45am

What happened to Mandy?

109 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:08:19am

Hope everything's OK with her.

110 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:10:14am

re: #108 elevenbravo1969

Her Mom is in bad health. Nice avatar by the way.

111 Mauser  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:11:10am

re: #71 zombie

It is an original joke of mine. I came up with it a month or so ago. I fill up my kitchen Whiteboard with such things then periodically make liveJournal entries of them. My day job keeps me very busy with my hands, so my mind wanders. Alas, some of the best stuff gets lost.

One of today's jems was "Perez Hilton is a popularity tapeworm with delusions of being a Major Organ." God that little sh*t whining about his well-deserved pop in the eye pisses me off. Were I not exhausted from a 12-hour work order, I'd REALLY go off on him.

112 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:11:10am

Mandy's mother is quite ill.

113 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:11:32am

re: #108 elevenbravo1969

What happened to Mandy?

Link.

114 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:11:43am

Sorry to hear that. I'll say a prayer.

115 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:11:45am

Fenway's (semi)nightly Overseas Market update:

New Zealand's NZSE50- unchanged

Shanghai Composite- up 0.11%

KOSPI Seoul composite- up 0.13%

Johannesburg's JSE Limited- up 2.17%

Singapore's Straits Times- up 1.13%

Australia's All Ordinaries- up 1.25%

Taiwan Weighted- up 0.09%

Nikkei- up 0.83%

Mumbai's SENSEX- up 1.60%

Hang Seng- up 1.77%

116 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:12:43am

re: #102 Fenway_Nation

G'nite, silver...

Hm, silver- that reminds me. ...this is probably as good a time as any for Fenway's Overnight Precious Metlas Update:

Gold- $945.40 an ounce (up 0.69%)
Silver- $14.19 an ounce (up 1.4%)
Palladium- $246 an ounce (up 1.2%)
Platinum- $1203 an ounce (up 1.5%)
Rhodium- $1275 an ounce (up 1.9%)

Read some were that against Gold, Silver is used in many ways practically. is it true?

117 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:14:29am

re: #110 soxfan4life

Thanks for the avatar compliment. And likewise to you.

..."If you ain't Cav, you ain't sh!t"

Did I get that right?

118 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:15:31am

re: #116 Ateam

Yes...besides jewelry, they're also highly conductive and I think circutry is one of their main industrial applications.

Palladium and Platinum are typically used as catalysts in engines.

119 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:16:30am

re: #117 elevenbravo1969

Thanks for the avatar compliment. And likewise to you.

..."If you ain't Cav, you ain't sh!t"

Did I get that right?


You sure did.

120 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:16:42am

Damn, I'm disappointed to hear that...

121 Mauser  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:16:56am

And Roadies are made of Rhodium, which is refined from Rhododendrons.

122 Steffan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:17:40am

re: #112 Sharmuta

Mandy's mother is quite ill.

My thoughts and prayers are with Mandy and her family.

123 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:20:25am

OK...soxfan & elevenbravo- is my new avatar showing up?

124 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:21:33am

re: #118 Fenway_Nation

Yes...besides jewelry, they're also highly conductive and I think circutry is one of their main industrial applications.

Palladium and Platinum are typically used as catalysts in engines.

Thanks 4 re:. Also my on line translator didn't find the term 'circutry'.

125 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:22:35am

I hope everyone has called and roared at their congressman about Waxman-Markey and this socialized medicine thingy they're about to try to ram through...

126 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:22:54am

re: #123 Fenway_Nation


Still got the sox B, but when you click it it comes up 3ID is it?

127 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:23:51am

re: #126 soxfan4life

Ayuh...the broken TV set.

/Would I be dating myself too badly if I said I also served in the 24th Infantry division?

128 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:24:15am

re: #125 elevenbravo1969

I hope everyone has called and roared at their congressman about Waxman-Markey and this socialized medicine thingy they're about to try to ram through...


Given that my Congresscritters are Kerry, Kennedy and Nikki Tsongas it would be a waste of my time and only serve to piss me off.

129 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:24:21am

I see Third Infantry,I think.

130 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:24:29am

There we go...nice symmetry between the 101st, 1st Cav and 3Rd ID there...

131 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:27:26am

re: #130 Fenway_Nation

There we go...nice symmetry between the 101st, 1st Cav and 3Rd ID there...


Seemed like every time we rotated into the NTC 3ID was on their way out.

132 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:31:34am

re: #130 Fenway_Nation

What year was the Third Infantry formed? I don't remember it from '68/'69.

But then there's much about '68/'69 that has slid into the ditch of my memory...so to speak.

133 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:32:28am

The Fall 2009 Political Science class selection @ UCLA is fucking terrible...

134 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:32:29am

Heh...i suppose the fact that we were training extensively in a desert environment with a dedicated OPFOR that was using Soviet-bloc military hardware could be held up as proof positive by the moonbats that the eeevil BusHitlerCheneyHalliburton regime always had designs on occupying Iraq...

/'cept Clinton was in office when I was in.

135 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:33:24am

re: #127 Fenway_Nation


I got to wear this patch too.


[Link: www-2id.korea.army.mil...]

136 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:34:39am

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

Me too. At least for part of it.

137 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:35:28am

re: #133 TheMatrix31

The Fall 2009 Political Science class selection @ UCLA is fucking terrible...

Post us some examples! If you don't mind...

138 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:36:03am

re: #132 elevenbravo1969

re: #130 Fenway_Nation

What year was the Third Infantry formed? I don't remember it from '68/'69.

But then there's much about '68/'69 that has slid into the ditch of my memory...so to speak.

It dates back to at least WWI- the Division's nickname is 'Rock of the Marne' after holding their position along the Marne river in France.

I think the 3RD Infantry division's most famous alumni is Audie Murphy.

139 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:39:05am

re: #133 TheMatrix31

The Fall 2009 Political Science class selection @ UCLA is fucking terrible...

Let me guess- Bush is An Evil Monster That Devours Infants 101 and Advanced 0bama Will Lead Us To The Promised Land studies.

140 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:40:10am

re: #133 TheMatrix31

The Fall 2009 Political Science class selection @ UCLA is fucking terrible...

What do you want to be when you grow up again?

141 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:40:43am

re: #139 Fenway_Nation

Let me guess- Bush is An Evil Monster That Devours Infants 101 and Advanced 0bama Will Lead Us To The Promised Land studies.

Heh. Bush: Threat or Menace?

Obama: Good or Great?

142 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:41:01am

re: #135 soxfan4life


Oh...when I was stationed @ Ft. Stewart, one of the Armour battalions had a bi-lingual Arabic and English highway sign from the Kuwait/Iraq border. I think it was less than 350km to Baghdad and I wouldn't be surproised if they had a chance to add to their collection...

143 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:42:24am

Why Communism Will Work Next Time

144 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:43:33am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

Oh...when I was stationed @ Ft. Stewart, one of the Armour battalions had a bi-lingual Arabic and English highway sign from the Kuwait/Iraq border. I think it was less than 350km to Baghdad and I wouldn't be surproised if they had a chance to add to their collection...


When I was in Warrior Country we used to cross the 38th parallel to go to the field. All the signs from the Korean War were still there, it was something I can still picture today.

145 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:45:04am

What other lizards use their current/former division insignias as their avatars?

146 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:45:44am

re: #143 Sharmuta

Why Communism Will Work Next Time


With 0bama in office wouldn't it be Why Communism Will Work This Time

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:46:00am

Why The White Man's Penis is Evil, And How It Must Be Beaten Every Day

/wait, what?

148 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:46:15am

re: #140 Sharmuta

What do you want to be when you grow up again?

Not really sure actually. I don't think I want to go to law school. I've realized lawyers make things as complicated as possible, and I've realized that I have to make things as simple as possible. I'll get too irritated, too quickly. I think I'm going to (hopefully) get some work experience, then apply to a business school and get an MBA in Management, Marketing, or something of that sort.

Anyway, here are some examples. It seems like they've cut down the selections and the times for the discussion sections (which really sucks, because the lecture times could be compatible but they've cut out so many discussion times that it ends up interfering with other stuff).

They cut out "National Institutions: The Presidency", but instead, they decide to keep "Cultural Pluralism in Africa". They have "Black Experience in Latin America", they have "Continential Political Thought".

It sucks, there are a lot of otherwise decent classes to take, but the professors for those are awful. One professor is a self-admitted gay-Canadian-Socialist, the other one has a rating on BruinWalk (rating site just for UCLA Professors) as "Don't take, socialist indoctrination.", the other is "most liberal professor possible".

Just a jumbled, terrible mess.

149 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:47:10am
150 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:48:00am

re: #145 Fenway_Nation

What other lizards use their current/former division insignias as their avatars?

I don't know, it was brought up for Memorial Day and I remember quite a few. Probably see alot for Veterans Day too.

151 Steffan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:48:26am

Science fiction, double feature
Doctor X will build a creature.
See androids fighting Brad and Janet
Anne Francis stars in Forbidden Planet
Wuh uh uh oh o-o-oh
At the late night, double feature, picture show.

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

Ayuh...the broken TV set.

/Would I be dating myself too badly if I said I also served in the 24th Infantry division?

I don't think so.

What's the group that's guaranteed to screw you all the way?
M - I- C - K - E - Y - U- S - A - S - A !

152 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:49:39am

re: #150 soxfan4life

I usually just rotate between the Red Sox, Bruins, Pats and BC Eagles (I figure remembertonyc has the monopoly on the Celts avatar) depending on what time of year it is...

153 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:49:49am

Good Morning LGF.
I'm up extra early, going up this morning with some friends for a long weekend of fishing.
Life is good.

154 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:54:22am

re: #152 Fenway_Nation


I'll probably go back to a Sox one one of these days and then the Pats and Bruins. Of course once I get moved down to TX I'll never put a Cowboys logo up. First time I got there it was October and everyone got together on Sunday to watch the Cowboys. So not being a Cowboy fan and also being a Dale Earnhardt fan caused some awkward moments.

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:55:18am

re: #151 Steffan

I thought those lyrics sounded familiar.

156 ryannon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:55:24am

In times long past, this planet was the home of a mighty, noble race of beings who called themselves the Krell. Ethically and technologically they were a million years ahead of humankind, for in unlocking the meaning of nature they had conquered even their baser selves, and when in the course of eons they had abolished sickness and insanity, crime and all injustice, they turned, still in high benevolence, upwards towards space. Then, having reached the heights, this all-but-divine race disappeared in a single night, and nothing was preserved above ground.

— Dr. Morbius, Forbidden Planet


Except Helen Thomas

Image: mcclellanresigns.jpg

157 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:55:44am

re: #153 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
I'm up extra early, going up this morning with some friends for a long weekend of fishing.
Life is good.


What are you going after? Probably go after some lake trout this weekend, the local reservoir has some pretty big ones, got to use shiners to get them.

158 Steffan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:55:58am

re: #135 soxfan4life

I got to wear this patch too.

[Link: www-2id.korea.army.mil...]

During the course of my misspent youth, I wore three patches on my left shoulder.

The first was the lightning- fast chicken-(plucker) of the Army Security Agency.

The second was the flaming sword of the Berlin Brigade.

The third was the axehead of the Intelligence and Security Command.

Of the three patches I wore, I greatly preferred that of the ASA.

"In God We Trust -- All Others We Monitor."

159 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:56:01am

We, Sons of Anarchy, the mad dogs known as IDF's 32th Armour devision, prefer tanks.
especially Merkava Mark IV [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

160 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:57:47am

re: #156 ryannon

Not particularly well preserved, I'd say.

161 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:58:18am

re: #148 TheMatrix31

Then take some economic classes instead

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 1:58:44am

re: #153 Spare O'Lake

You suck!
/jealousy

Enjoy the fishing.

163 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:00:04am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

164 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:00:16am

re: #163 littleoldlady

Thanks, lol!

165 Steffan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:00:27am

re: #132 elevenbravo1969

What year was the Third Infantry formed? I don't remember it from '68/'69.

But then there's much about '68/'69 that has slid into the ditch of my memory...so to speak.

Had to have been at least 1917 -- "Rock of the Marne" took place *in* 1917.

166 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:00:57am

re: #163 littleoldlady

Yay! Thanks LoL!

167 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:00:57am

re: #161 Sharmuta

Then take some economic classes instead

I just might, the only thing is that I have three more quarters left, and I need quite a bit of Poli Sci classes. The major consists of 10 upper division classes and four "allied fields", meaning any "related" field to Poli Sci like Comm, History, Psych, etc. My allied fields are filled, so I just need to complete the Poli Sci upper divs and pick up a couple of random classes to fill out my units.

Hey, I'm looking!

168 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:01:31am

re: #158 Steffan

Of the two I liked the Cav patch, but both the 1st Cav and 2nd Infantry have alot of history. The 2ID was originally comprised of both Army and Marines, and is the only Army unit to be commanded by a Marine Corps. General.


[Link: www-2id.korea.army.mil...]

169 ryannon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:02:29am

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

Not particularly well preserved, I'd say.

Ron Paul!

170 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:02:52am

re: #163 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Gracias.

/California

171 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:02:56am

Sharmuta! :-)

Good advice...let me change that to GREAT advice to Matrix!

172 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:03:20am

Fenway! :-)

Matrix! :-)

173 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:03:45am

re: #157 soxfan4life

What are you going after? Probably go after some lake trout this weekend, the local reservoir has some pretty big ones, got to use shiners to get them.

Walleye, smallmouth bass and northern pike will be our targets. Based on past experience, the highlight of the trip will be the shore lunches of fresh walleye prepared by the guide. I am SO looking forward to this.

174 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:04:22am

re: #148 TheMatrix31

Any professors there in poli sci that you like and have a working relationship with?

If so, you could probably arrange for an independent study. Draw up your own syllabus, have an outline for what you're planning, and suggest writing a paper at the end. You can arrange to meet with the prof every week (if they like you) for discussion, or even once a month to check progress. Grade to be given based on your paper.

Or if there's a class being given at another uni that you want to take, arrange for an 'independent study' at UCLA which you'll fulfill by taking that class.

It's really amazing how much flexibility professors and departments are willing to give you if you have a plan and you're known to them. They're generally delighted to have someone who's interested for a change. The key is to complete avoid the administration and the bureaucrats and work it out with your professors directly.
Good luck!

(You do have to have a good relationship with at least one willing to go to bat for you though, and you have to know your shit.)

175 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:04:28am

re: #163 littleoldlady

Morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

176 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:05:34am

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

HEY! Long time...

177 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:06:46am

re: #173 Spare O'Lake

Walleye, smallmouth bass and northern pike will be our targets. Based on past experience, the highlight of the trip will be the shore lunches of fresh walleye prepared by the guide. I am SO looking forward to this.

Never have caught a walleye, heard about it plenty but never got one. Good luck and have fun. A bad day of fishing still beats a good day at work.

178 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:07:05am

re: #163 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thankz
[from Tel-Aviv]

179 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:07:35am

re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth

You suck!
/jealousy

Enjoy the fishing.

Thanks very much.
It's tough work these fishing trips, but someone's got to do it!

180 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:08:53am

re: #173 Spare O'Lake

The more you post about this, the less I like you.
///

Seriously though, have a great time, and I hope you catch your fill.

181 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09:12am

Ateam! :-)

Any chance I get to say GO IDF! I take. ;-)

182 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:09:13am

re: #176 littleoldlady

Been lurking. By the time I get to a post I don't have anything to say of interest.

183 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:10:47am

re: #171 littleoldlady

Sharmuta! :-)

Good advice...let me change that to GREAT advice to Matrix!

I try

184 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:11:30am

re: #182 FamHistoryGuy

Been lurking. By the time I get to a post I don't have anything to say of interest.

Bah- that's what you think. Say something anyways and let the lizards decide.

185 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:12:46am

re: #182 FamHistoryGuy

You could always try and throw out random and nonsensical quotes every now and then...

186 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:12:56am

re: #174 iceweasel

Any professors there in poli sci that you like and have a working relationship with?

If so, you could probably arrange for an independent study. Draw up your own syllabus, have an outline for what you're planning, and suggest writing a paper at the end. You can arrange to meet with the prof every week (if they like you) for discussion, or even once a month to check progress. Grade to be given based on your paper.

Or if there's a class being given at another uni that you want to take, arrange for an 'independent study' at UCLA which you'll fulfill by taking that class.

It's really amazing how much flexibility professors and departments are willing to give you if you have a plan and you're known to them. They're generally delighted to have someone who's interested for a change. The key is to complete avoid the administration and the bureaucrats and work it out with your professors directly.
Good luck!

(You do have to have a good relationship with at least one willing to go to bat for you though, and you have to know your shit.)

Nah, I don't have much of a relationship with my professors. This past year was my first at UCLA (transferred from community college), and I'm not one to get too involved when it comes to academics and professors. Since I usually don't agree with them on much, I usually just take care of business and head home.

That's an interesting concept though, maybe I'll try it over the course of this next year...

187 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:13:17am

re: #182 FamHistoryGuy

Been lurking. By the time I get to a post I don't have anything to say of interest.

That never stops ME...

;-)

188 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:15:25am

re: #181 littleoldlady

Ateam! :-)

Any chance I get to say GO IDF! I take. ;-)

HA!
(old soldiers don't get dead - just fade away...)

189 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:16:19am

re: #186 TheMatrix31

Face it Kiddo- you'll learn more once you're out of there. Just tell the bastards what they want to hear, get your expensive piece of paper, and move on.

190 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:16:55am

re: #183 Sharmuta

Political science (not to mention HISTORY) is changing as we speak. No sense in learning old stuff now.

Economics, on the other hand, is at least SOMEWHAT of a science. And we are learning lessons right now that will have repercussions for decades.

You know what would be an interesting course? The Economic History of the United States.

191 Steffan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:17:14am

re: #168 soxfan4life

Of the two I liked the Cav patch, but both the 1st Cav and 2nd Infantry have alot of history. The 2ID was originally comprised of both Army and Marines, and is the only Army unit to be commanded by a Marine Corps. General.

[Link: www-2id.korea.army.mil...]

I have nothing but respect for the 1st Cav and the Big Red One and 2nd Inf. They have proved what they have hanging -- big brass ones -- time and time again.

:)

What the 1st and 29th Inf. did on Omaha Beach, IMNSHO, some of the most outstanding actions the US military has ever encountered.

192 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:17:42am

Morning folks...
Better half got the hot tub working last night (Yay!) Coffee's almost done, aside from a few extra hours of sleep, what more could a person ask for? (well...maybe a day off, or to win the lottery...)

193 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:18:45am

srb! :-)

POWERBALL!

/I can't believe I forgot to play Weds. night! :-(

194 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:18:58am

re: #190 littleoldlady

Political science (not to mention HISTORY) is changing as we speak. No sense in learning old stuff now.

Economics, on the other hand, is at least SOMEWHAT of a science. And we are learning lessons right now that will have repercussions for decades.

You know what would be an interesting course? The Economic History of the United States.


Would have been good if it were on the Harvard curriculum. It seems as though our current President doesn't have much of an economic background for such a genius he is made out to be.

195 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:19:43am

re: #186 TheMatrix31

Nah, I don't have much of a relationship with my professors. This past year was my first at UCLA (transferred from community college), and I'm not one to get too involved when it comes to academics and professors. Since I usually don't agree with them on much, I usually just take care of business and head home.

That's an interesting concept though, maybe I'll try it over the course of this next year...

I hear you. It's harder too when you transfer in, and even more so if you're in a lot of huge classes where they never get to know anyone's name.

Think about the independent study concept though, especially now that you're upper-level. And not every professor will take it as a personal affront if you disagree with them. Some even really like it.

196 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:20:16am

re: #194 soxfan4life

I'm not so sure he has much of a law background either. He certainly was absent the day they taught the Constitution!

197 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:21:18am

re: #187 littleoldlady

Little humor for me since Nov.

I did get some news last evening though. Learned my old man died back in Jan. I had talked to him right after Christmas. Got to reconcile with him.

He was in the Marines in WWII and an Army Combat MP in Korea.

198 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:21:20am

re: #177 soxfan4life

Never have caught a walleye, heard about it plenty but never got one. Good luck and have fun. A bad day of fishing still beats a good day at work.

Walleye are not the greatest fighters - that distinction goes to the smallmouth bass - but they are feisty, beautiful, easy to fillet, and their firm white flesh makes the walleye just about the best fresh-water eating fish.
Of course, we only keep enough to eat and live-release the rest.
Well, gotta go get ready now - have a great weekend folks, and have a heated argument or two for me.

199 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:21:20am

re: #193 littleoldlady

srb! :-)

POWERBALL!

/I can't believe I forgot to play Weds. night! :-(

Sorry about Weds. better half tells me he had a dream we won the powerball...funny, because we don't play = ).
(The church people keep voting down a lottery here, because a lottery is gambling, but bingo is not...or something like that)

200 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:21:21am

re: #196 littleoldlady

I'm not so sure he has much of a law background either. He certainly was absent the day they taught the Constitution!


There must have been a community in real need of organizing that day.

201 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:22:24am

re: #188 Ateam

HA!
(old soldiers don't get dead - just fade away...)

Don't fade away on us, okay? ;-) The news from Israel is always needed/welcome here.

202 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:23:15am

re: #199 srb1976

Sorry about Weds. better half tells me he had a dream we won the powerball...funny, because we don't play = ).
(The church people keep voting down a lottery here, because a lottery is gambling, but bingo is not...or something like that)


Here in MA they keep voting down casino gambling because the state lottery doesn't like competition.

203 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:23:45am

re: #197 FamHistoryGuy

Oh, dear. :-( I'm sorry! {[{FamHistoryGuy}]}

(At least you got the reconciliation.)

204 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:24:17am

re: #189 Sharmuta

Face it Kiddo- you'll learn more once you're out of there. Just tell the bastards what they want to hear, get your expensive piece of paper, and move on.

Well, I agree with the statement that you'll learn more once you're out of there...but given that it IS an expensive piece of paper, I say take advantage of everything on offer. Including pestering professors to provide you with the education you want and you don't feel you're getting.

It's their job, and they'll generally be happy to provide an interested student with outside reading, etc.

205 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:26:42am

re: #204 iceweasel

Including pestering professors to provide you with the education you want and you don't feel you're getting.

Bwahahaha! That's funny!

'Morning, iceweasel. :-)

206 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:27:27am

re: #205 littleoldlady

Bwahahaha! That's funny!

'Morning, iceweasel. :-)

Hi LoL! Hope you're well today! :)

207 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:28:22am

re: #189 Sharmuta

Face it Kiddo- you'll learn more once you're out of there. Just tell the bastards what they want to hear, get your expensive piece of paper, and move on.

I've learned more on Little Green Footballs than I have in all the time I've been in college. You could probably even through high school in there too.

208 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:28:41am

G' morning
ice, sox, littleoldolady:-)

209 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:29:07am

re: #203 littleoldlady

I had enough time to get to that point. Still did not change what kind of person he was or how he had behaved. But we settled our differences.

Wish now I had recorded his memories of Pearl and the USS Northampton. And his trip to Australia.

210 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:30:19am

re: #206 iceweasel

Not enough coffee in me to make a determination yet... ;-)

UncleRancher! :-)

211 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:30:31am

re: #207 TheMatrix31

I'm also at university. What are you studying?

212 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:30:43am

re: #208 UncleRancher

Good mornig to you too.

213 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:31:13am

Time to go babysit. Y'all have a good morning.

214 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:31:50am

re: #213 FamHistoryGuy

You too, famhistory guy!

215 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:32:06am

Just woke up from a crazy dream series where I was running around doing really off the wall stuff. Makes me tired.

216 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:32:23am

re: #209 FamHistoryGuy

Not the same thing because my father and I were very close, but...

It kind of figures that I got interested in genealogy AFTER he died. :-(

217 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:32:30am

re: #207 TheMatrix31

I've learned more on Little Green Footballs than I have in all the time I've been in college. You could probably even through high school in there too.

throw*

/guess I didn't learn the difference between throw and through ;)

218 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:33:29am

Fenway ! :-)

219 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:33:38am

re: #211 schnapp

I'm also at university. What are you studying?

Studying Political Science, how about you?

220 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:33:46am

re: #217 TheMatrix31

throw*

/guess I didn't learn the difference between throw and through ;)

S'okay. We don't teach grammar here. ;-)

221 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:34:02am

The other great thing about this time of year (besides having the temperature and humidity be so close to the same = ) ) is our fresh new group of engineering students = )

Always fun! Summer interns ( I joke, mostly we get pretty good ones, that don't take themselves TOO seriously)

222 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:34:14am

re: #219 TheMatrix31

Commerce. First year.
What do you want to be?

223 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:34:38am

A luau on the South Lawn and several Dems under investigation for Caribbean trips. Charlie Rangel one of them, what do you bet nothing happens.

224 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:34:56am

re: #201 littleoldlady

Don't fade away on us, okay? ;-) The news from Israel is always needed/welcome here.

Well, no news is a good news. Of course we loved to hear about your beloved disappearing governor coming back from Argentina...

225 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:35:45am

re: #222 schnapp

Commerce? Where are you studying, schnapp?

/here we call it "economics" or "business"

226 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:36:10am

re: #218 UncleRancher

Hey there UncleRancher!

Momentarily distracted by my favorite sourse of nonsensical over-the-top quotes, The Venutre Brothers...

227 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:36:55am

re: #224 Ateam

You just can't make this stuff up, can you?

228 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:37:30am

re: #223 soxfan4life

A luau on the South Lawn and several Dems under investigation for Caribbean trips. Charlie Rangel one of them, what do you bet nothing happens.

Have to say, I wish I had been there just to get a chance to dunk Charlie Gibbs.

Although more seriously, this story did irritate me. It's hard not to get pissed off at a luau on the south lawn when so many people are losing homes, jobs, and life savings.

229 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:37:41am

re: #225 littleoldlady

The University of Western Australia.
But I want to do an MBA one day. Maybe in America. We'll see . . .

230 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:38:12am

re: #223 soxfan4life

A luau on the South Lawn and several Dems under investigation for Caribbean trips. Charlie Rangel one of them, what do you bet nothing happens.

B...but the GOP bought Sarah Palin a bunch of blouses!

//

231 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:38:44am

re: #226 Fenway_Nation

My kids do that quote thing. Sometimes I look them in the eye and say 'What does that mean to you"? Mostly I get blank stares.

232 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:39:24am

re: #229 schnapp

The University of Western Australia.
But I want to do an MBA one day. Maybe in America. We'll see . . .

Good! You'll come to Philadelphia. You'll stay with us. We'll feed you...

/Jewish mother mode

;-)

233 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:40:17am

re: #230 Fenway_Nation

B...but the GOP bought Sarah Palin a bunch of blouses!

//


Well that was Sarah Palin and she is not to be trusted. Maybe more evil than even Dick Cheney.///

234 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:40:51am

re: #232 littleoldlady

Good! You'll come to Philadelphia. You'll stay with us. We'll feed you...

/Jewish mother mode

;-)

I already have a Jewish mother. I know your tricks (guilt trips)!

235 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:41:07am

re: #232 littleoldlady

Good! You'll come to Philadelphia. You'll stay with us. We'll feed you...

/Jewish mother mode

;-)

You know, except for the part about Philadelphia, that sounds remarkably like "southern grandma" mode...
"When did ya'll eat last...never mind let me fix ya somethin' "

236 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:41:12am

re: #227 littleoldlady

You just can't make this stuff up, can you?

So the guy goes all the way to Argentina ("they" say you should get out of town for this kind of thing or somebody will find out",) and then you hold a news conference and TELL everyone about it. She must of been somethin'!

237 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:41:46am

re: #228 iceweasel

Have to say, I wish I had been there just to get a chance to dunk Charlie Gibbs.


whoops. Pimf

238 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:43:19am

re: #232 littleoldlady

And that's where Pennsylvania Uni is. And it's a nice city.

239 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:44:28am

re: #234 schnapp

I already have a Jewish mother. I know your tricks (guilt trips)!

Yeah, but you get BRISKET with it!

re: #235 srb1976

Jewish mother mode: "You look AWFUL! Did you gain weight?...Here, have some stuffed cabbage and buttery coffee cake!"

/there's a difference, you see? ;-)

240 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:44:34am

re: #229 schnapp

The University of Western Australia.
But I want to do an MBA one day. Maybe in America. We'll see . . .

That somewhere around Perth? Haven't been there yet. Been to SA, Victoria, and over to East Island.

241 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:45:41am

re: #238 schnapp

We have some world-class colleges here with fabulous MBA programs. (Yes, the University of Pennsylvania is the best.) Plus it's a very livable city, and great for college kids.

242 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:46:59am

re: #236 UncleRancher

*Sighs wistfully*

I have to say this whole SC Governer fiasco opens the door for yet another totally gratuitous opportunity for me to work in 'When I was nailing this hot Argentine chick...' into the conversation and still have it be [sort of] relevant.

/Have any politicians flown to Chile for an extramarital affair? I can't say enough good things about the Chilean women I encountered

243 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:47:47am

re: #239 littleoldlady

Only an Italian or someone who watches everybody loves raymond can relate to how a Jewish family works.

244 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:48:02am

re: #239 littleoldlady

Yeah, but you get BRISKET with it!

re: #235 srb1976

Jewish mother mode: "You look AWFUL! Did you gain weight?...Here, have some stuffed cabbage and buttery coffee cake!"

/there's a difference, you see? ;-)

Aahh I see now...around here even if you gained 30lbs it's always "you look thin, are you sure you're eating ok?" followed by "I was just fixin lunch (or dinner, or something) here, you should have some"

245 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:48:31am

re: #227 littleoldlady

You just can't make this stuff up, can you?

It's so fucked up (literally). I don't understand it. Like an imbecile child

246 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:49:28am

re: #163 littleoldlady

Been working like a fiend - real work and home improvement. Thought 'd drop by for some fruitcup, before I check to see if my last coat of paint has dried.

247 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:49:31am

re: #242 Fenway_Nation

Fenway...I have to say, I'm diggin' the stripes, but nearly missed you without that big red "B" to point you out. = )

248 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:50:26am

re: #222 schnapp

Commerce. First year.
What do you want to be?

I'm not sure. I wanted to do law but I don't know if that's for me. Ideally, I'd love to become a Sports Agent, but again, that needs strong law background I'd assume. I'm probably going to go the business route, even if I WILL be punished by President Zero.

249 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:50:56am

re: #236 UncleRancher

The Argentine bartender that saw them both playing suckface said she had a bangin' bod. Super hot.

250 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:51:01am

theheat! :-)

HIYA! :-) When you are done come here, okay?

/WAY behind in the home improvement dept!
//and my garden looks like hell, too :-(

251 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:51:02am

re: #240 UncleRancher

That somewhere around Perth? Haven't been there yet. Been to SA, Victoria, and over to East Island.

UWA is in Perth. Right near the CBD and on the river. It's a great place to study.
What do you think of "Down Under"?

252 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:51:09am

I already have a touch of Micheal Jackson Fatigue.

253 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:51:30am

re: #236 UncleRancher

It wasn't about where he went, or even where he put his pud.

The controversy began when he abandoned his job for five days without so much as a peep to anyone.

Try that turd move working at a fast food place, and you'll come back to find someone else doing your job. Sanford pulled that turd move while having been entrusted by "the people" to run their state.

His job abandonment, in my mind, is a much bigger problem than his extra-marital affair.

254 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:53:18am

re: #250 littleoldlady

Paint, paint, pull weeds, build stuff, put in pavers... plus my real job. I'm beginning to feel like I should be advertising as a handywoman.

Put in some pretty cool plants this year, though. Going more for container gardens than in-the-dirt kinds.

It's building the containers that sucks.

255 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:53:42am

re: #247 srb1976

Ah...about that. Soxfanforlife and elevenbravo had their respective division patches up as their avatars earlier, so I figured I'd display my old colors while I was thinking about it...

/3RD Infantry Division; Rock of the Marne

256 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:54:14am

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

No shit. Take off without telling a soul to another country to have your chrome polished? C'mon. He's a freaking governor. It's inexcusable.

257 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:54:15am

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

While it's true that the walking off the job thing is the more serious problem...I can't be the only one who was loving that his wife kicked him out of the house...can I?

258 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:54:34am

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth


His job abandonment, in my mind, is a much bigger problem than his extra-marital affair.

Same here.

He had a ticket for a ten-day trip, and no one seemed to know where he was or how to reach him.

Also, I may be wrong about this-- but isn't it hurricane season in SC?

259 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:55:12am

re: #248 TheMatrix31

Yeh I want to be in finance. I was born a bit too late for the party the financial crisis crashed. And govts around the world are going to be like annoying parents and not let their financial sectors "trash the house" again.
I'll bet there's heaps of lefties and socialists in PoliSci :P
They would drive me nuts . .

260 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:55:38am

re: #257 srb1976

While it's true that the walking off the job thing is the more serious problem...I can't be the only one who was loving that his wife kicked him out of the house...can I?

No, you're not.
In my opinion, that's why she wasn't trotted out to 'stand by her man' during the press conference. She'd already handed him his hat, so to speak.

261 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:55:53am

re: #255 Fenway_Nation

Ah...about that. Soxfanforlife and elevenbravo had their respective division patches up as their avatars earlier, so I figured I'd display my old colors while I was thinking about it...

/3RD Infantry Division; Rock of the Marne

Ahh...I see (sorry I should know some of this stuff, but don't...in reality I wouldn't recognize half the unit patches of my brother's old units...)

Still cool stripes though = )

262 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:57:29am

re: #251 schnapp

UWA is in Perth. Right near the CBD and on the river. It's a great place to study.
What do you think of "Down Under"?

Great place when you stay away from the big cities. Former deputy sheriff myself, I met some law enforcement types over dinner and swapped stories. LMAO. Helped a friend pour a concrete driveway one day in Melbourne, traveled through the wine country, saw an actual real live platypus, koala bears, and of course lots of 'ru's. Almost got hit by a tornado in Sydney. Yes, I could live there.

263 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:57:43am

Wow, the hits they keep a comin'.

Bay Area Liberal elected arms control chief.

John Bolton was available, WTF?

264 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:59:21am

re: #245 Ateam

It's so fucked up (literally). I don't understand it. Like an imbecile child

Everyday in every way I become more and more convinced that we'd be better off taking random folks out of the phonebook to run our government.

The people we have elected have completely lost touch with reality.

265 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:59:25am

re: #256 theheat

No shit. Take off without telling a soul to another country to have your chrome polished? C'mon. He's a freaking governor. It's inexcusable.

He could have been doing nothing more heinous than buying inexpensive, hand crafted belts. What he was doing there doesn't matter. That he abandoned his post to do it is what matters.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 2:59:31am

Okay, just found a long story on the intertubes written by my son. It included this...


...I am an incredible dancer for a white male with no training. I'm not sure where this came from, as both my mother and father are about as rhythmic as two batteries stuck in a paper bag thrown from an airplane.

I was laughing pretty hard until I realized that two batteries stuck in a paper bag thrown from an airplane are probably not very rhythmic.

267 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:01:22am

Fat Bastard Vegetarian! :-)

He's not a bad writer, either. ;-)

268 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:01:32am

re: #265 Slumbering Behemoth

I totally agree. It's the fact he disappeared - abandoned his post - that matters. His reasons don't matter.

And his heartfelt coming home speech... Too much to bear. How gd pathetic.

He's another idiot pussy hound. Soon, probably a divorced one. Regardless, he needs to be terminated from his job. Like yesterday.

269 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:01:50am

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, five days off isn't really job abandonment if you have a scheduled vacation. He left at least two "cover" stories (or two were generated by others) which turned out to be bogus. Many a male has succumbed to feminine wiles, that's for sure. That's a mighty big tumble he took.

270 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:01:51am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

While he obviously doesn't think you're much of a dancer, that's definitley a very creative description = )

(too busy laughing to add much more)

271 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:02:49am

re: #257 srb1976

While it's true that the walking off the job thing is the more serious problem...I can't be the only one who was loving that his wife kicked him out of the house...can I?

To-be-or-not-to-be(in elected office) this is d question!

272 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:03:48am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How sad when our kids describe how they see us through their eyes. Makes me cringe.

273 schnapp  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:04:36am

re: #262 UncleRancher

Former deputy Sheriff? Come back. Australia needs you. Too much crime in the nightlife districts. And drugs. And gangs. And a soft criminal justice system. More assaults than murders though which is relatively better.

274 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:04:58am

re: #271 Ateam

To-be-or-not-to-be(in elected office) this is d question!

I say not.

275 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:06:54am

re: #257 srb1976

While it's true that the walking off the job thing is the more serious problem...I can't be the only one who was loving that his wife kicked him out of the house...can I?

From what I have been reading, he was already kicked out before he went to Argentina.

Either way, I am indifferent regarding that aspect of the story. Mr. & Mrs. Sanford's marriage is solely their concern, and it is has nothing to do with me.

They could reconcile, or have a separation/divorce that is either bitter or congenial. None of that is my business.

276 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:07:29am

Preemption is the right of any nation in order to preserve its National Security; however, preemptive war is a tactic, not a strategy. When used as a strategy preemption dilutes diplomacy, creates an atmosphere of distrust, and promotes regional instability.
Ellen Tauscher

Huh?

277 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:08:21am

re: #273 schnapp

Former deputy Sheriff? Come back. Australia needs you. Too much crime in the nightlife districts. And drugs. And gangs. And a soft criminal justice system. More assaults than murders though which is relatively better.

Hey, we're talking 40 years ago. You never forget the stories. No, I have to take a pass. Don't like cities at all, they have the same problems everywhere. There was enough trouble in a sleepy little town in Idaho to suit me. That's why I got out of it.

278 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:08:54am

re: #13 iceweasel

Absolutely! Classic!

I heard they were remaking it though, which makes me unhappy.

Oh, no. Say it isn't so.

The original is outstanding, and cannot be improved upon.

279 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:09:58am

re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth

From what I have been reading, he was already kicked out before he went to Argentina.

Either way, I am indifferent regarding that aspect of the story. Mr. & Mrs. Sanford's marriage is solely their concern, and it is has nothing to do with me.

They could reconcile, or have a separation/divorce that is either bitter or congenial. None of that is my business.

True, it's certainly none of anyone's business but theirs, but after seeing so many of these women support their lyin' cheatin' husbands after they get caught, it is kind of refreshing.
I'm betting he resigns anyway...

280 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:10:22am

While we're on the topic of Argentina, president de Kirchner (who's approval ratings are in the toilet) is trying to muzzle opposition press in the run-up to the next elections.

/ ¿Como se dice 'Fairness doctorine'?

281 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:11:32am

re: #260 iceweasel

No, you're not.
In my opinion, that's why she wasn't trotted out to 'stand by her man' during the press conference. She'd already handed him his hat, so to speak.


I think her not being trotted out to stand by her man was much less painful than Eliot Spitzer's wife's performance during his press conference, that was painful to watch.

282 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:11:43am

re: #280 Fenway_Nation

If Iran is any indication, probably not a very good idea.

283 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:11:54am

I have to extricate my butt from this chair and actually get things done... :-(

Good day, ALL!™

284 srb1976  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:12:08am

And on that note...I suppose it's time to head back to the salt mines = )

Have a great day folks!
(Lately I actually have to work @ my job, leaving no time to follow along here...so unfair) = )

285 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:12:27am

re: #283 littleoldlady

Thanks for the always-dependable fruitcup.

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:12:31am

re: #269 UncleRancher

Well, five days off isn't really job abandonment if you have a scheduled vacation.

It is my understanding that he left without a word, without going through the proper channels/steps to hand over authority to the Dep, Gov., as one would do when taking a vacation.

It is my understanding that he split without notifying anyone.

That's not a vacation, that is job abandonment.

287 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:13:09am

re: #280 Fenway_Nation

While we're on the topic of Argentina, president de Kirchner (who's approval ratings are in the toilet) is trying to muzzle opposition press in the run-up to the next elections.

/ ¿Como se dice 'Fairness doctorine'?


Is that why we are spending stimulus money to study in Argentina?

288 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:13:15am

re: #284 srb1976

G'night, and whistle a happy tune at work.

289 UncleRancher  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:13:17am

Yup. Time for me to get some more slumbertime. Got more fence to fix in the AM.

290 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:13:17am

And for the record, the adultery matter is between Gov. Sanford and his wife.

The glaringly obvious dereliction of his duties as governor is a seperate matter altogether.

291 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:14:07am

re: #289 UncleRancher

Later. Wear gloves.

292 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:15:27am

re: #290 Fenway_Nation

Absolutely. His wife can string him up for the affair. The government needs to string him up for the job abandonment.

293 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:16:57am

From the wiki entry:

Fernandez de Kirchner and her husband have always had a tempestuous relationship with the national media. Like many countries in South America, the major newspapers, radio and television stations are owned by a small number of financial groups, and the information tends to be highly critical of the President and her husband. In response, the government is about to submit a new law to break up the media monopoly, saying that it will open the media to new ownership and points of view. In April 2008, Kirchner received a stern public rebuke from the Argentine Journalists Association (ADEPA) for having publicly accused the popular cartoonist Hermenegildo Sábat of behaving like a "quasi mafioso".[41] In addition, a government proposal to create a watchdog to monitor racism and discrimination was received with suspicion by ADEPA, who called it a "covert attempt to control the media". [42]

I'm guessing one of her cheerleaders slipped in that part in bold to make the increased government control over privately owned businesses sound like a good thing...

294 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:17:50am

re: #278 SixDegrees

Oh, no. Say it isn't so.

The original is outstanding, and cannot be improved upon.

I know. That's my feeling too. LOVE the original.

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:18:39am

re: #279 srb1976

Don't get me wrong. You, or anyone else, have the right to have and air an opinion about whatever you like. I, or anyone else, have the right to challenge that with a counter opinion.

296 songbird  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:19:16am

Good morning, Lizards!

It is pleasant outside here in Western Maryland, but there is a large chance for storms today.

Here is a quote that I believe one of our Lizards quoted earlier this month. It bears repeating!

"The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, and the public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." - Cicero, 55 BC

297 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:20:22am

re: #296 songbird

Sadly, since 55 BC, governments have yet to figure this out.

298 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:20:52am

re: #289 UncleRancher

Yup. Time for me to get some more slumbertime. Got more fence to fix in the AM.

Heh. Enjoy the labor. Often, it is good for the body and the mind.

299 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:22:10am

re: #281 soxfan4life

I think her not being trotted out to stand by her man was much less painful than Eliot Spitzer's wife's performance during his press conference, that was painful to watch.

Definitely. The only thing that comes remotely close to Spitzer's wife wincing her way through that conference, was Jim McGreevey's wife at his.

I can't stand it. I wish they (the husbands, the media) wouldn't do that to these women. It's just such a violation of privacy and a compounding of their pain.

300 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:23:00am

re: #299 iceweasel

Then there's Elizabeth Edwards, and Babydaddy John Edwards...

301 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:23:19am

re: #274 UncleRancher

re: #274 UncleRancher

re: #277 UncleRancher

Hey, we're talking 40 years ago. You never forget the stories. No, I have to take a pass. Don't like cities at all, they have the same problems everywhere. There was enough trouble in a sleepy little town in Idaho to suit me. That's why I got out of it.

Must disagree with U. Both ways. Here crimes occur only at very specific uninhabited part down town. A girl can walk safely even at 4.00 Am in the morning.

302 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:24:29am

re: #300 theheat

Then there's Elizabeth Edwards, and Babydaddy John Edwards...

My god, what a nightmare that was...Edwards was just interviewed in the WaPo last week or so too, about what he's doing now. The man is clearly still a deluded narcissist. Gawker had a scathing comment about him; I'll see if I can find it.

303 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:27:05am

re: #252 BigPapa

I already have a touch of Micheal Jackson Fatigue.

My wife has a vinyl copy of Thriller still in the wrapper.
I have no idea why, but that baby might go on Ebay to finance my next South American mancation.

///

304 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:27:06am

re: #302 iceweasel

I saw/read Elizabeth Edwards a couple weeks ago talking about how it affected her. I expected her to seem like a Stepford Wife about it, but she came across much different. I ended up really feeling for her. She was about as graceful as anyone could be, under the circumstances, without seeming like a simpering idiot.

305 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:28:28am

Gawker on Edwards:

John Edwards is Still a Deluded Narcissist

To be fair, a personality disorder is not the sort of thing that just takes care of itself overnight. Still, in an interview with the Washington Post, shamed horndog mill-worker's-son John Edwards sounds kinda self-important, still.

The guy won't even admit that running for president in 2008—when his wife's cancer came back as the Enquirer reported on his affair with a crazy lady—was maybe a bad idea!

WaPo quote:
He said that for all the trauma that came of the 2008 campaign, he is not ready to declare that it had been a mistake to run, calling that a "very complex question." He believed, he said, that he had pushed Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton in a more progressive direction on issues including health care — Edwards was the first to propose an individual insurance mandate — and that the value of his having run will be determined partly by what Obama achieves on these fronts.

"Did it make sense to run and stay in the race? Time will tell," he said.

TIME TOLD, JOHN. IT WAS STUPID.

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:29:28am

re: #299 iceweasel

Definitely. The only thing that comes remotely close to Spitzer's wife wincing her way through that conference, was Jim McGreevey's wife at his.

I can't stand it. I wish they (the husbands, the media) wouldn't do that to these women. It's just such a violation of privacy and a compounding of their pain.

I saw it as a calculated political move. Having her there would dissuade "the press" from asking deeper, more embarrassingly probing questions. Do not mistake my evaluation of this as approval for it.

307 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:30:12am

re: #294 iceweasel

I know. That's my feeling too. LOVE the original.

Word on the street seems to be that the "remake" will actually be a prequel of sorts. Which might be better than attempting a do-over of a classic.

Still, I'm expecting a train wreck of the proportions of The Day the Earth Stood Still.

308 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:31:00am

re: #304 theheat

I saw/read Elizabeth Edwards a couple weeks ago talking about how it affected her. I expected her to seem like a Stepford Wife about it, but she came across much different. I ended up really feeling for her. She was about as graceful as anyone could be, under the circumstances, without seeming like a simpering idiot.

I had read some interview with her a while ago -- I guess she has a book out or something? -- and I really felt bad for her, and i agree with you: she didn't come across like a Stepford Wife or an idiot, but as a woman who is handling a horrible situation with as much grace and aplomb as possible.

Me, on the other hand, I'd have had a shrieking meltdown, I think.

309 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:32:13am

re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth

I saw it as a calculated political move. Having her there would dissuade "the press" from asking deeper, more embarrassingly probing questions. Do not mistake my evaluation of this as approval for it.

No worries, I understand you all right, and I think you're deadon in your evaluation of it-- and I know you're not approving!

310 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:33:31am

re: #308 iceweasel

I'd have his balls in a Mason jar under the sink. And I'd remind him daily where they were. Because I could. It would be my favorite hobby.

Elizabeth Edwards I've ended up kinda liking. John Edwards is a world class POS.

311 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:33:57am

re: #308 iceweasel

I had read some interview with her a while ago -- I guess she has a book out or something? -- and I really felt bad for her, and i agree with you: she didn't come across like a Stepford Wife or an idiot, but as a woman who is handling a horrible situation with as much grace and aplomb as possible.

Me, on the other hand, I'd have had a shrieking meltdown, I think.

I think a meltdown, coupled with a swift, very public knee to the groin for the TV audience, would be entirely appropriate. You know that's what happened once they were offstage.

312 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:34:44am

re: #310 theheat

I'd have his balls in a Mason jar under the sink. And I'd remind him daily where they were. Because I could.

Heh.

313 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:35:35am

Too bad...Kirchner is really hot.

314 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:35:49am

re: #307 SixDegrees

re: #294 iceweasel


Word on the street seems to be that the "remake" will actually be a prequel of sorts. Which might be better than attempting a do-over of a classic.

Still, I'm expecting a train wreck of the proportions of The Day the Earth Stood Still.

The Day the Earth Stood Still? Isn't that the movie with the tall, goofy-looking semicoherent alien demands we give up the trappings of living in a technologically advanced society or else humanity is doomed?

Oh...wait. I'm thinking of An Inconvenient Truth.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:37:43am

What is the movie that y'all are talking about? Went upthread, couldn't figure it out.

316 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:37:52am

re: #314 Fenway_Nation

The Day the Earth Stood Still? Isn't that the movie with the tall, goofy-looking semicoherent alien demands we give up the trappings of living in a technologically advanced society or else humanity is doomed?

Oh...wait. I'm thinking of An Inconvenient Truth.

okay-- LITERALLY laughing out loud at that, damn you!

Klaatu...barata...nikto.

317 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:39:08am

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is the movie that y'all are talking about? Went upthread, couldn't figure it out.

Hey FBV!

we were talking about Forbidden Planet.

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:39:30am

re: #317 iceweasel

Thanks, Baby!

319 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:40:09am

re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, Baby!

You betcha! How are you, and how is your mom?

320 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:40:15am

re: #313 TheMatrix31

Too bad...Kirchner is really hot.

I will see you an Argentine president and raise you the Prime Minister of the Ukraine.

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:40:46am

re: #319 iceweasel

She's sassy. Thanks for asking.

322 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:41:54am

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She's sassy. Thanks for asking.

Well, now we know where you get it from!

Glad to hear it.

323 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:42:10am

re: #314 Fenway_Nation

The Day the Earth Stood Still? Isn't that the movie with the tall, goofy-looking semicoherent alien demands we give up the trappings of living in a technologically advanced society or else humanity is doomed?

Oh...wait. I'm thinking of An Inconvenient Truth.

LOL.

Reeves was badly miscast. His acting abilities would have been much more suited to playing the mechanical, emotionless Klaatu.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:46:02am

re: #323 SixDegrees

Reeves was badly miscast. His acting abilities would have been much more suited to playing the mechanical, emotionless Klaatu.

Reminds me of a quote (I've posted here before)...

"Ricardo Montalban is to improvisational acting, what Mount Rushmore is to animation."

325 theheat  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:46:14am

Good night All. I need to get some work done. Don't plan on turning on the TV today, to be reminded all day long Michael Jackson is still dead. Sad as it is, I'm dreading the incessant coverage the next week or so. Think I'll keep listening to the classical station for awhile.

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:48:16am

re: #325 theheat

Think of Michael if you hear Barber's Adagio for Strings.

(you are welcome).

327 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:48:33am

re: #325 theheat

I'm dreading all the evidence that seemed to indicate him being a mincing pedophile being swept aside in an MSM orgy of [fallen] hero-worship and self-congratulation.

328 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:50:11am

Not too crazy about the Ukranian lady...

But I am quite fond of Queen Rania of Jordan

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:52:01am

re: #328 TheMatrix31

Whoa.

330 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:56:36am

re: #328 TheMatrix31

Not bad, but I imagine I could top that with an Iranian/Persian female politician if they

A) Weren't ruled over by a mysoginist cabal of greedy, violent, self-serving fanatics stuck in the 7th century

B) Weren't required by law to bundle up in the sharia-compliant potato sack from head to toe

/See point 'A'

331 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:57:53am

re: #316 iceweasel

Klaatu...barata...nikto

A cultural meme, it would seem.

332 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 3:59:33am

Ok lizards...time for me to get a little shuteye.

333 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:02:03am

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

Ok lizards...time for me to get a little shuteye.

Good night bro.

334 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:04:47am

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

Same here. Later Lizards.

335 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:07:30am

Morning Lizards.

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:08:05am

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

Ok lizards...time for me to get a little shuteye.

re: #334 Slumbering Behemoth

Same here. Later Lizards.

re: #335 rightside

Morning Lizards.

SHIFT CHANGE!

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:18:44am

re: #335 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Well. That killed the thread.

338 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:19:50am

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Doesn't surprise me.

339 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:21:39am

Hello,
Anyone know why Pajamas Media is down?
All I get is "504 Gateway Time-out."

340 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:23:59am

The page also has a horizontal line followed by"

nginx

341 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:27:08am

re: #339 lifeofthemind

loads fine for me.

342 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:27:59am

re: #341 rightside

correction, that was pjtv that works. Pajamas media does not work for me.

343 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:29:23am

I Liked Johnny Depp. His being not an empty suit kind of an actor.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yesterday's TV news reveled another side of him. Showed generosity & free spirit, combined with a perfect PR instincts. In the cost of $4,000 tip, change money for Hollywood star, he bought the way to all MSM (or as 2M like to say MFM) [Link: www.huliq.com...]

WTF I don't really figure up is how the bill itself came to $4,500.00?

344 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:30:50am

re: #116 Ateam

Both Silver and Gold have industrial uses tho the cost of gold and its demand as a luxury item mean that it isn't used as often. Silvers low cost relative to gold means it is much more commonly used in Industry. Both gold and silver are highly resistant to corrosion and are great conductors of heat and electricity. Gold reflects infrared light extremely well and can be beaten thin enough due to it's malleability to become transluscent. Most silver and gold used industrially is in circuitry etc.

345 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:32:39am

re: #342 rightside

correction, that was pjtv that works. Pajamas media does not work for me.

Right, so we have two possible explanations:
1. a DDOS attack originating in China that indicates the beginning of the planned assault on all critical systems to overthrow Western Civilization and impose fascism.

2. the failure of a 25¢ part.

You decide.

346 rightymouse  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:32:42am

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Think of Michael if you hear Barber's Adagio for Strings.

(you are welcome).

Upding.

I always cry when I hear the Adagio for Strings. Gorgeous piece of music.

347 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:32:58am

My favorite depp quote:

I'm not particularly optimistic about society. We're in an age where everything has gone too far. It's an ugly world. ... I'm truly frightened of America in terms of raising my daughter here. I don't believe that is an option at all.

348 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:33:56am

re: #345 lifeofthemind

You forgot the 3rd choice; Ron Paul!

349 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:34:24am

re: #348 rightside

You forgot the 3rd choice; Ron Paul!

Upding

350 yochanan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:34:28am

"The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, and the public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." - Cicero, 55 BC

nothing new under the sun.

frankly i did not care for m.j. when he was alive why should i care now?

351 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:35:42am

re: #350 yochanan

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...

352 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:36:59am

re: #335 rightside

Morning, stepped away for a minute.

353 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:37:27am

'Morning folks.

Rahmbo credits Obama

I see that the genius Rahm Emanuel is crediting President-and-God-Incarnate Obama with the victory in Iraq by the more moderate of the candidates. Naturally, I agree. And anyone who does not understand how PGI Obama speaking in June could have affected an election in Feburary does grasp the intracasies of modern statecraft.

And that snarky comment by Jean,

If Obama can take credit for an election that occurred in February, he can accept blame for the failing economy since taking office in January.

That sort of thing is just uncalled for, and unnecessary, and might just result in someone getting their Soylent Green ration decreased.

354 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:37:48am

re: #352 soxfan4life

Hey sox, waiting on the rain too?

355 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:37:53am

re: #350 yochanan

re: #351 rightside

"Men are, at this moment, ruled by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern" - G.K. Chesterton, 1917

Yeah, I guess some things never change.

Good morning everybody!

356 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:39:07am

re: #354 rightside

Hope not. It is supposed to be overcast here so probably will have to dodge raindrops.

357 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:39:40am

re: #350 yochanan


frankly i did not care for m.j. when he was alive why should i care now?

Cicero is always a nice way to start the day.

To drag this back to the relentlessly practical, how does Michael Jackson's death affect Obama? At first blush it might seem good for the White House, distracting the public from the implosion of his Iran policy and providing cover under which they will try to sneak past the Cap & Trade bill. In my view however it will hurt Obama and the Democrats on balance. First it washes away the Governor Sanford story which was a club that otherwise would have been good for a week's worth of Republican bashing. Second Obama suffers by comparison with Jackson. Jackson might have risen to fame as a celebrity black but he had one thing that Obama lacks, genuine talent. This will help blow the froth off of Obama's celebrity and since he is definitively one of those second tier characters who is mostly famous for being famous people will begin to look at him and wonder what all the fuss was about. He is just another a black man the media is in love with and unlike Jackson's corpus the works of Obama will get limited popular radio play in the future.

Besides, I thought we wanted Razuli dead.

358 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:41:21am

re: #355 CIA Reject

I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.

William F. Buckley Jr.

359 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:42:45am

Did you see the earlier news about yesterdays luau on the south lawn and several prominent Dems being investigated for trips to the Carribean Charlie Rangel one of them, guaranteeing that absolutely nothing will come of it.

360 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:43:04am

re: #358 rightside

William F. Buckley Jr.

Heh- I miss WFB! Someone like him is sorely needed about now...

361 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:43:06am

re: #356 soxfan4life

Our forecast calls for 50% chance of thunderstorms. That means they don't know. What other job besides meteorology and punditry, can you be so wrong, yet still keep your job?

Or be bob shrum.

362 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:43:13am

re: #358 rightside

William F. Buckley Jr.

Yes but WFB was an Eli.

363 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:43:47am

re: #361 rightside

Our forecast calls for 50% chance of thunderstorms. That means they don't know. What other job besides meteorology and punditry, can you be so wrong, yet still keep your job?

Or be bob shrum.

Congress

364 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:44:00am

re: #359 soxfan4life

No controlling legal authority.

365 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:44:33am

re: #362 lifeofthemind

Hmmm, Eli? I give.

366 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:44:38am

re: #359 soxfan4life

Did you see the earlier news about yesterdays luau on the south lawn and several prominent Dems being investigated for trips to the Carribean Charlie Rangel one of them, guaranteeing that absolutely nothing will come of it.

Conyers canceled the Acorn hearing.He said that "Powers the be" were against it.

367 yochanan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:44:44am

re: #363 soxfan4life

if congress was half right that would be an improvement by 50%

368 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:45:02am

re: #365 rightside

Hmmm, Eli? I give.

Yale

369 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:45:46am

re: #368 lifeofthemind

ahh ok.

370 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:46:01am

re: #367 yochanan

if congress was half right that would be an improvement by 50%


Thus giving birth to the phrase the opposite of Progress is Congress.

371 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:46:18am

I wish that I were a Congresscritter. I think it would be so cool to craft rules and regulations for a behemoth like the Federal government, and then lecture the heads of private industry on how to run a lean, mean, innovative, productive company.

372 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:46:28am

re: #367 yochanan

if congress was half right that would be an improvement by 50%

"It is my considered opinion that one foolish man is a disgrace, two are a law firm, and three or more are a congress!" - John Adams

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:47:19am

re: #365 rightside

Hmmm, Eli? I give.

Don't you do crossword puzzles?

374 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:47:32am

re: #365 rightside

Hmmm, Eli? I give.

Yalie.

375 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:49:22am

re: #372 CIA Reject


How could one man be so dead on about Congress.

Congress
And the thing about my jokes is, they don't hurt anybody. You can
take 'em or leave 'em - you can say they're funny or they're terrible
or they're good, or whatever, but you can just pass 'em by. But with
Congress, every time they make a joke, it's a law! And every time
they make a law, it's a joke!
Will Rogers

This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session
as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.
Will Rogers

A fool and his money are soon elected.
Will Rogers

If I studied all my life, I couldn't think up half the number of
funny things passed in one session of congress.
Will Rogers

"Hurray! Congress is to adjourn!
Only four more days of Congressional burglary on the Treasury!"
-- Will Rogers
(1879-1935) American humorist
[Link: quotes.liberty-tree.ca...]

"A foreigner coming here and reading the Congressional Record would
say that the President of the United States was elected solely for the
purpose of giving Senators somebody to call a horse thief."
-- Will Rogers
(1879-1935) American humorist
[Link: quotes.liberty-tree.ca...]

"That's what a Congressman or a Senator is for --
to see that too much money don't accumulate in the national Treasury."
-- Will Rogers
(1879-1935) American humorist
[Link: quotes.liberty-tree.ca...]

376 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:50:03am

re: #374 iceweasel

Yalie.

Pike's Pale
The Ale the Won for Yale

377 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:52:20am

re: #375 soxfan4life

LOL!

Or as another more recent pundit summed it up:

"Giving money and power to Congressmen is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - P.J. O'Rourke

378 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:52:37am

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd craft arcane, obtuse regulations for a public-funded health care system while insuring my own health with a completely different, better system.

379 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:54:47am

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd decry those lazy, unproductive citizens who wish to retire early while making it possible to retire with a federal pension after serving one term.

380 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:55:16am

Some subversive Republican should sneak in a stimulus rider to build several hundred old fashioned lamp-posts around the Capitol.

381 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:55:26am

re: #378 razorbacker

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd craft arcane, obtuse regulations for a public-funded health care system while insuring my own health with a completely different, better system.

It worked so well with the retirement program, why not try health care.///
How long after this is crafted up will they fall under it?

382 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:56:53am

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd draft rules and regulations that guide and restrict every aspect of my pitiful subject's lives and then make Congress exempt from those rules.

383 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:57:58am

No PJM?
No Belmont Club?
No Instapundit!

It is the Apocalypse.

384 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:58:33am

re: #377 CIA Reject


Here's a few more on Senators.

Senators
There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open
season on senators.
Will Rogers

Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators.
Will Rogers

About all I can say for the United States Senate is that it
opens with a prayer and closes with an investigation.
Will Rogers

385 yochanan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:58:46am

re: #378 razorbacker

now if obama's health care bill was a photo copy of the gold plated congresscritter one

386 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:59:02am

Some conservative needs to step up and introduce a "contract with America"-type promise. There's not much time left.

387 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:59:13am

re: #383 lifeofthemind

No PJM?
No Belmont Club?
No Instapundit!

It is the Apocalypse.

Or somebody kicked a plug out in the server room :-)

388 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 4:59:34am

re: #382 razorbacker

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd draft rules and regulations that guide and restrict every aspect of my pitiful subject's lives and then make Congress exempt from those rules.

You keep mocking Congress and they'll legislate you out of existence.

389 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:00:12am

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd make speech after speech touting the amazing benefits of competition in the marketplace while gerrymandering Congressional districts so that better than 95% of my fellow Congresscritters would be elected forevermore.

390 yochanan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:00:44am

re: #382 razorbacker

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd draft rules and regulations that guide and restrict every aspect of my pitiful subject's lives and then make Congress exempt from those rules.

YOUR A BIT LATE THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT.

391 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:00:51am

The Sinnit is ruled by courtesy alone, like the Teamsters Union.
-Peter Finley Dunne (Mr Dooley)

392 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:01:35am

Good morning. Cable has gone wall to wall Michael Jackson. It is a lot like the Anna Nicole Smith coverage.

393 yochanan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:01:45am

re: #389 razorbacker

and the 5% that don't get re-elected are the HONEST ONES

394 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:02:01am

re: #387 CIA Reject

Or somebody kicked a plug out in the server room :-)

Cat and dog pointing at each other.

395 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:02:10am

re: #386 rightside

Some conservative needs to step up and introduce a "contract with America"-type promise. There's not much time left.


As much as it is going to hurt us, they need to let 0 go through with his plans while giving him 0 bipartisan support so that when they fail there is no possible way to blame anyone but Democrats, then we can sit back and watch the carnage while they devour each other in an attempt to protect their own little fiefdom.

396 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:03:36am

re: #392 opnion

Good morning. Cable has gone wall to wall Michael Jackson. It is a lot like the Anna Nicole Smith coverage.

And it's days like this that I am thankful I don't have cable. Now if I could just avoid the chatter here in the real world about it. Good morning all. Anything else I should be aware of in the real world?

397 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:03:44am

re: #387 CIA Reject Nah just a test of the fairness doctrine. Obama is trying to see how buig an outcry it gets while disguised as a small outtage. then when it hits full force he can say there was no outcry during the test.

398 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:04:00am

Yes Sir, Boys and Girls. If I were a Congresscritter things would be run different than they are now, you bet.

I'd run this country like it was my own private fiefdom. Oh how the mere mortals would bow and scrape and send me money for no reason at all.

If I were a Congressman I'd be able to retire a multimillionaire after working a job that pays a relative pittance.

Yep. I'd make some changes if I were a Congresscritter.

399 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:05:43am

re: #395 soxfan4life

As much as it is going to hurt us, they need to let 0 go through with his plans while giving him 0 bipartisan support so that when they fail there is no possible way to blame anyone but Democrats, then we can sit back and watch the carnage while they devour each other in an attempt to protect their own little fiefdom.

No, that is the same thinking that had people saying they'd stay home in November and let McCain fail because the country deserved Obama. The United States is our home and the best hope for humanity. It does not deserve Obama. We should fight every day and try to stop anything that weakens and hurts America.

400 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:06:04am

re: #398 razorbacker

Also be thankful that you get to elect your senators. Up here they are appointed, and it usually lasts for life. I think only one or two senators have actually been removed in my lifetime, most get carried out feet first.

401 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:06:17am

Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.

~Twain

402 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:06:23am

re: #396 BlueCanuck

And it's days like this that I am thankful I don't have cable. Now if I could just avoid the chatter here in the real world about it. Good morning all. Anything else I should be aware of in the real world?

Yes, Obama maintains his divinity.

403 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:06:47am

re: #399 lifeofthemind

No, that is the same thinking that had people saying they'd stay home in November and let McCain fail because the country deserved Obama. The United States is our home and the best hope for humanity. It does not deserve Obama. We should fight every day and try to stop anything that weakens and hurts America.

Well said. Now I'm going to go off and have a temper tantrum.

404 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:07:27am

re: #397 rustler

Nah just a test of the fairness doctrine. Obama is trying to see how buig an outcry it gets while disguised as a small outtage. then when it hits full force he can say there was no outcry during the test.

Ah- OK, thanks for the inside info- I'll keep that under my hat... :-)

405 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:07:32am

re: #395 soxfan4life
Nah keep filibustering stop his crap from hurting us let the Dems us Reconciliation to pass there crap over the filibuster so it proves that much more how much the 0 admin and his cronies in congress don't care about the 47% that didn't vote for him.

406 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:07:39am

re: #400 BlueCanuck

Also be thankful that you get to elect your senators. Up here they are appointed, and it usually lasts for life. I think only one or two senators have actually been removed in my lifetime, most get carried out feet first.

I live in NJ. We more or less do have appointed Senators. Actually one of our's in dead and nobody told him yet.

407 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:08:37am

re: #400 BlueCanuck

Also be thankful that you get to elect your senators. Up here they are appointed, and it usually lasts for life. I think only one or two senators have actually been removed in my lifetime, most get carried out feet first.

You poor, backwards, pitiful people. Here we just keep electing them. When a senator does die, we re-elect him a couple more times just to be sure, then we elect a spouse, or son, or daughter. Sometimes we have to elect a place-holder until a son is old enough to legally serve, but we are working on that little glitch.

408 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:09:18am

re: #399 lifeofthemind

No, that is the same thinking that had people saying they'd stay home in November and let McCain fail because the country deserved Obama. The United States is our home and the best hope for humanity. It does not deserve Obama. We should fight every day and try to stop anything that weakens and hurts America.

While I agree with you we don't deserve 0bama, him having an unbeatable majority, refusing to give him the bipartisan support he so desires is the best way to fight him. It is obvious his plans are doomed and he knows it and wants the bipartisan support to be able to lay blame on everyone but himself and his party, but mostly himself.

409 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:09:56am

re: #406 Nevergiveup

I live in NJ. We more or less do have appointed Senators. Actually one of our's in dead and nobody told him yet.

Hey, in Illinois we adhere to the profit motive. Senate seats are sold.

410 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:10:23am

re: #409 opnion

Hey, in Illinois we adhere to the profit motive. Senate seats are sold.

Only rented.

411 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:10:30am

CNN, MSNBC and Fox have covered Jackson for 10 minutes so far. From the top of the hour.

412 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:10:48am

re: #409 opnion

Hey, in Illinois we adhere to the profit motive. Senate seats are sold.

The "best government money can buy", eh? :-)

413 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:11:30am

re: #411 MandyManners

CNN, MSNBC and Fox have covered Jackson for 10 minutes so far. From the top of the hour.


Smoke and mirrors while the Waxman-Markey Cap and trade gets ramrodded.

414 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:12:28am

re: #411 MandyManners

CNN, MSNBC and Fox have covered Jackson for 10 minutes so far. From the top of the hour.

That's why they made the History Channel.

415 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:12:37am

re: #411 MandyManners
It's been pretty much non stop all night with the occasional news break.

416 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:12:39am

Hey, ShortShit, get busy. Our MFM are busy with other things.

417 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:12:55am

re: #410 lifeofthemind

Only rented.

The Dems are lining up to take on Burris in the primaries.
There is no question that community leaders will brand this as racism.
Should be a blood bath.
THe Republicans through no fault of their own actually have a chance to regain this seat.

418 yochanan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:13:09am

THIS I CARE ABOUT;
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

m.j. i have no interest in at all.

419 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:14:08am

MSNBC is still at it.

420 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:14:09am

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd require renewable, sustainable energy to be mandated while that filthy coal, that polluting oil, and that dangerous nuclear power was choked out.

But not if the renewable energy blocked my view of the ocean from my compound, or covered any pristine desert, or threatened any fishes. Not then, of course. But if I make it painful enough for y'all, I'm sure someone will invent something someday to make it better.

421 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:14:47am

re: #413 soxfan4life

Smoke and mirrors while the Waxman-Markey Cap and trade gets ramrodded.

Has that already reared it's pointed head?

422 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:15:10am

re: #418 yochanan

THIS I CARE ABOUT;
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

m.j. i have no interest in at all.

Sox & Cubs this afternoon.

423 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:15:22am

re: #421 MandyManners


Vote scheduled for today.

424 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:15:44am

re: #414 Nevergiveup

That's why they made the History Channel.

I like seeing how life on Earth will flourish after humanity is dead.

425 yochanan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:16:35am

re: #422 opnion

hell at least baseball is honest foolishness
i say legalize steroids

426 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:16:40am

re: #420 razorbacker

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd require renewable, sustainable energy to be mandated while that filthy coal, that polluting oil, and that dangerous nuclear power was choked out.

But not if the renewable energy blocked my view of the ocean from my compound, or covered any pristine desert, or threatened any fishes. Not then, of course. But if I make it painful enough for y'all, I'm sure someone will invent something someday to make it better. And be able to pay me handsomely to keep all federal regulation away from it.


FTFY

427 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:16:44am

re: #424 MandyManners

I like seeing how life on Earth will flourish after humanity is dead.

Yeah, I just worry about my 3 cats.

428 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:17:54am

re: #423 soxfan4life

Vote scheduled for today.

I didn't know it had been debated. I'm not paying attention.

429 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:18:28am

re: #428 MandyManners

I didn't know it had been debated. I'm not paying attention.

Debated? Shit I bet no one has even read it!

430 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:18:36am

re: #415 rustler

It's been pretty much non stop all night with the occasional news break.

I had a hard time getting to sleep so I turned it to the Weather Channel.

431 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:18:36am

Senator John F Kerry had a very snotty comment about the disappearance for days of Governor Mark Sanford. He said that it should have been the Governor from Alaska.
They really can't lay off of Palin.

432 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:18:48am

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd make sure that the Air Force got the maximum use out of existing warplanes. I'd have them flying planes built in the 1950s and 1960s into battle. But I'd be sure that they had cushy little jets available to whisk me and my staffers across country whenever I desired.

433 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:19:08am

re: #428 MandyManners

I didn't know it had been debated. I'm not paying attention.

Pass first, debate later.
The Red Queen is in charge.

434 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:20:30am

re: #425 yochanan

hell at least baseball is honest foolishness
i say legalize steroids

If you take steroids & still don't win you should pay a fine. Sammy Sosa comes to mind.

435 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:20:36am

Hey now the 0 admin is paying a speed reader quite well to handle that little problem.
re: #429 Nevergiveup

436 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:20:40am

re: #431 opnion

Senator John F Kerry had a very snotty comment about the disappearance for days of Governor Mark Sanford. He said that it should have been the Governor from Alaska.
They really can't lay off of Palin.

If I was chained to Ta-Ray-Zha I'd disappear for days at a time.

437 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:20:59am

re: #427 Nevergiveup

Yeah, I just worry about my 3 cats.

I could be wrong but, I think they'd survive better than dogs.

438 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:21:01am

re: #428 MandyManners

I didn't know it had been debated. I'm not paying attention.

You silly girl. Foolish, foolish woman. Next you will be asking someone to read it before voting.

How gauche.

439 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:21:15am

re: #429 Nevergiveup

Debated? Shit I bet no one has even read it!

How big is it?

440 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:22:44am

re: #435 rustler
Allthough I wonder if she imagined she would spend more time reading this drivel that congress does writing it up. You know what they say about 100 Senators with typewriters given 100 years being able to come up with shakespear.

441 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:22:44am

re: #433 lifeofthemind

Pass first, debate later.
The Red Queen is in charge.

Fox was still on Jackson after the commercial break but Gretchen and that tall, blond dude said they'd cover the cap-and-trade act when they returned.

442 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:22:53am

re: #439 MandyManners

How big is it?

It's a government bill that will tax the citizens out the wazoo. Got a forklift?

443 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:22:55am

re: #439 MandyManners


1200 pages no problem for our Congresscritters.Oughtto be able to do that in about 5 minutes.

444 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:23:16am

re: #439 MandyManners

How big is it?

Colonel Ed McMahan is no longer available to ask Johnny how big it is.

445 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:23:26am

re: #432 razorbacker

If I were a Congresscritter, I'd make sure that the Air Force got the maximum use out of existing warplanes. I'd have them flying planes built in the 1950s and 1960s into battle. But I'd be sure that they had cushy little jets available to whisk me and my staffers across country whenever I desired.

And I'd terminate acquisition of newer more modern models because they were "designed to fight an enemy that doesn't exist any more"- thus displaying my complete lack of understanding of the concept of "air superiority"

446 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:23:38am

re: #438 razorbacker

You silly girl. Foolish, foolish woman. Next you will be asking someone to read it before voting.

How gauche.

*hangs head in shame*

447 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:24:00am

Had I known this I might have voted for 0bama. Not really

[Link: sendables.jibjab.com...]

448 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:24:13am

re: #431 opnion

Senator John F Kerry had a very snotty comment about the disappearance for days of Governor Mark Sanford. He said that it should have been the Governor from Alaska.
They really can't lay off of Palin.

He really said that? What an classless asshole

449 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:24:36am

Fox is on cap-and-trade.

450 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:25:04am

re: #448 Nevergiveup

But then again, we already knew that. Just every now and then he opens his cake hole and reconfirms it.

451 Mr Secul  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:25:08am

re: #27 ArchangelMichael

I'm struggling to see the point in a remake.

What new approach does Hollywood have to offer that would make the venture worthwhile?

Its promising that Joe will be involved but he can be hit or miss.

452 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:25:10am

re: #448 Nevergiveup

He really said that? What an classless asshole

Classless asshole is too kind for John Kerry.

453 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:25:39am

re: #439 MandyManners

How big is it?

If it were one page, half the congress wouldn't or couldn't read it.

454 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:26:03am

re: #433 lifeofthemind
Lol Red Queen.

"For an evolutionary system, continuing development is needed just in order to maintain its fitness relative to the systems it is co-evolving with."[1]

The Red Queen Hypothesis called so because of this quote by the Red Queen in Lewis Carrol's "Thru the Looking Glass"

"It takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place."
455 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:26:30am

Hoyer (D) says there are no taxes in this bill, that it's an attempt through the free-market system to make us energy independent. The cost to the average family will be about $175/yr..

Well, I feel better now.

456 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:27:09am

WHERE THE FUCK IS A REPUBLICAN, FOX?

457 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:27:19am

re: #344 rustler

Both Silver and Gold have industrial uses tho the cost of gold and its demand as a luxury item mean that it isn't used as often. Silvers low cost relative to gold means it is much more commonly used in Industry. Both gold and silver are highly resistant to corrosion and are great conductors of heat and electricity. Gold reflects infrared light extremely well and can be beaten thin enough due to it's malleability to become transluscent. Most silver and gold used industrially is in circuitry etc.

Appreciate and respectful.
I sold foolishly 1/3 of my gold at $683 2 years ago. Against, I bought 0.2 metrics ton silver - average price $11.74.

458 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:27:38am

MSNBC and CNN are back on Jackson.

459 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:28:12am

re: #431 opnion

Morning all.

I saw that Kerry remark (something like "...if a Governor had to go missing why couldn't it be the Gov. of Alaska, ya' know Sarah Palin...") and just shook my head.
John Kerry, the most useless and ineffectual dilletante in the Senate, is a perfect banner carrier for the anti-Palin crazies. I hope he keeps it up because even the most foolish Americans will eventually recognize the hatchet job being done on the Governor and respond accordingly. Nobody likes a smarmy bully.

460 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:28:43am

re: #448 Nevergiveup

He really said that? What an classless asshole

He actually did say that. I just want to hear more about the Chistmas
cruise into Cambodia that he never took.

461 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:28:54am

Minimal costs compared with the expected results!

SIGN ME UP, HOYER.

462 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:29:40am

re: #455 MandyManners

Hoyer (D) says there are no taxes in this bill, that it's an attempt through the free-market system to make us energy independent. The cost to the average family will be about $175/yr..

Well, I feel better now.

I expect he left out a few digits on purpose there. CBO estimates in excess of $3,000 per household annually.

463 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:29:44am

re: #448 Nevergiveup

He really said that? What an classless asshole


Here's a link to it.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

464 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:30:15am

It was the monster from the id (these days, from the ID) that was the Krell's undoing.

465 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:30:39am

re: #459 Lincolntf

Morning all.

I saw that Kerry remark (something like "...if a Governor had to go missing why couldn't it be the Gov. of Alaska, ya' know Sarah Palin...") and just shook my head.
John Kerry, the most useless and ineffectual dilletante in the Senate, is a perfect banner carrier for the anti-Palin crazies. I hope he keeps it up because even the most foolish Americans will eventually recognize the hatchet job being done on the Governor and respond accordingly. Nobody likes a smarmy bully.

Let me see, Palin hunts & Kerry gets manicures.

466 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:30:59am

re: #448 Nevergiveup

The Bay State senator was telling a group of business and civic leaders in town at his invitation about the “bizarre’’ tale of how South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford had “disappeared for four days’’ and claimed to be hiking along the Appalachian Trail, but no one was really certain of his whereabouts.

“Too bad,’’ Kerry said, “if a governor had to go missing it couldn’t have been the governor of Alaska. You know, Sarah Palin.’’

The Democratic-centric crowd laughed.

467 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:31:52am

re: #466 rightside

Bunch a mean-spirited sh*t birds!

468 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:32:16am

re: #458 MandyManners

MSNBC and CNN are back on Jackson.

It's funny, but I was in the hospital last night for the (eventual) death of my Organist (91 years old, been playing here for the past 35), and this is all folks could talk about in the ER. It was very surreal, here are all kinds of people in the stages of death, physical distress, personal and family crises and Michal Jackson was more important than that.

I don't think it was a matter of deflecting personal pain onto something impersonal to deal with it. It was eerie to see how bad personality cults have really gotten.

Maybe I should see if the Unibomber's cabin is up for sale, and go and live in the woods for the rest of my life.

469 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:32:54am

re: #419 MandyManners

MSNBC is still at it.

I won't stop for days, at least. Look for another barrage beginning this afternoon, when preliminary autopsy reports are due out. Then again in a couple of days, as funeral arrangements are reported in excrutiating detail to a rabid, insatiable public.

And soon, the remainder of his deranged, dysfunctional family will be clawing at each other for their time in the spotlight, and looking for ways to squeeze money and fame of their own out of his death.

So far, there's been no mention at all of the secret rooms at Neverland with peepholes into rooms where his child "guests" stayed and played. Or the piles of crumpled up Kleenex found in the corners. Or his frequent, disturbing visits to women's restrooms, while wearing a burkha, during his stay in the Middle East before being deported.

Back in the real world: bombings have increased dramatically in Iraq as the upcoming US troop pullouts from Iraqi cities draws near. You'll find such trivia buried in the last pages of section E today, below the fold.

470 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:32:58am

re: #457 Ateam

Silver also has the Highest electrical conductivity and one of the highest index of reflection(part of the reason it is used in mirrors) (Aluminum beats it in some of the visible spectra of reflection but silver is more consistant) of all metals followed closely by pure copper. Approximately 38% of all silver consumed is for industrial purposes.

471 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:32:59am

re: #462 johnnyreb

I expect he left out a few digits on purpose there. CBO estimates in excess of $3,000 per household annually.

He said that EPA's estimate of $175/yr. was correct.

472 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:34:08am

re: #465 opnion

Let me see, Palin hunts & Kerry gets manicures.

What would you expect from a guy who orders a Philly cheesesteak with Swiss cheese.

473 rw in san diego  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:34:26am

Good morning, everyone.

It's a shame when someone dies at a young age, but I think the coverage of the death of Michael Jackson is excessive. I don't like what it says about our media and I don't like what it says about us.

474 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:34:40am

re: #466 rightside

Kerry used to put out a letter to constituents every St. Patrick Day, talking about , "We Irish..."
Somebody pointed out that Kerry is not actually Irish & the letters stoped.

475 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:35:12am

re: #468 Mithrax

Yesterday, Simple Voice rightfully got the boot for trying to crack jokes about Jackson. Due to my mom's rapidly declining state, I was really, really upset with him.

476 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:35:55am

re: #473 rw in san diego

Good morning, everyone.

It's a shame when someone dies at a young age, but I think the coverage of the death of Michael Jackson is excessive. I don't like what it says about our media and I don't like what it says about us.


It's akin to the death of Elvis. Despite the mess his life had become he was a legendary performer.

477 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:36:09am

re: #472 soxfan4life

What would you expect from a guy who orders a Philly cheesesteak with Swiss cheese.

Did he really? What a maroon.

478 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:36:15am

re: #469 SixDegrees

I'll stick to LGF for news.

479 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:36:23am

What is it with you morons?

Asking for bills to be debated?

Read before voting?

How inefficient. How conservative. How...wrong.

This was is better and ever so much more efficient.

No wasted time. No dull drudgework. Just efficient lawmaking, free of that nasty worrying-about-the-consequences.

We're better than that. Also better than you.

Just ask us.

480 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:36:59am

re: #462 johnnyreb

I expect he left out a few digits on purpose there. CBO estimates in excess of $3,000 per household annually.

re: #471 MandyManners

He said that EPA's estimate of $175/yr. was correct.

They're probably both right: it'll be an extra $3000 a year if you keep doing what you're doing now, but only $175 a year if you unplug all your electrical appliances and sit sweating (or freezing) in the dark.

Liberals love to legislate behavior modification.

481 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:37:32am

re: #471 MandyManners

He said that EPA's estimate of $175/yr. was correct.

And unicorns are going to fly out of my butt too!

I can't wait to see what this does to the price of electricity and I am not even going to go on about how much my heating oil is going to cost if this bill gets past.

482 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:37:58am

re: #477 opnion

Did he really? What a maroon.


Did it during the 2004 campaign. Dumbass didn't even know you got to get it with Cheese Wiz. Surprised he didn't ask for Brie or Gouda.

483 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:38:00am

re: #475 MandyManners

Oh I think making jokes about him is awful period. But I think most people should remember that personal crises are more pressing to deal with and more personally tragic than a celeb.

Will pray for your mom if you're ok with that.

484 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:38:56am

re: #482 soxfan4life

Did it during the 2004 campaign. Dumbass didn't even know you got to get it with Cheese Wiz. Surprised he didn't ask for Brie or Gouda.

As long as he paired with the correct wine.

485 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:39:14am

Michael Jackson died?

Which one? The sweet-voiced little African-American boy who sang 'One Bad Apple' or the creepy-looking white woman who dressed in veils and hung out with monkeys?

486 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:39:27am

re: #484 opnion

As long as he paired with the correct wine.


Wine or whine?

487 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:40:39am

re: #450 BlueCanuck

But then again, we already knew that. Just every now and then he opens his cake hole and reconfirms it.

Kerry has always been an asshole and a liability. This is just more of the same from him.

488 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:40:53am

re: #486 soxfan4life

Wine or whine?

Either would be approriate.

489 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:41:11am

Happy Friday everyone.

To paraphrase Chevy Chase: Our top story tonight. Michael Jackson is still dead.

490 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:41:12am

re: #485 razorbacker

Michael Jackson died?

Which one? The sweet-voiced little African-American boy who sang 'One Bad Apple' or the creepy-looking white woman who dressed in veils and hung out with monkeys?


Despite the trainwreck his life had become, he will always be the badass doing Thriller in my mind.

491 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:41:54am

re: #489 Mad Al-Jaffee

Happy Friday everyone.

To paraphrase Chevy Chase: Our top story tonight. Michael Jackson is still dead.

Strangely enough, that WILL be the top story tonight all week, for most news outlets.

492 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:42:33am

re: #463 soxfan4life

Here's a link to it.

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

What a fuck

493 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:42:35am

re: #486 soxfan4life
Since we are talking Sen Kerry both should work. Maybe he whined for swiss cheese on his Philly and then downed a glass of wine.

494 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:43:14am

re: #491 iceweasel

I wonder what they'll find in his house, what kind of prescription drugs he was on (rumor is the MI was caused by rx drugs) and what secrets he took with him.

495 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:44:19am

re: #431 opnion

Senator John F Kerry had a very snotty comment about the disappearance for days of Governor Mark Sanford. He said that it should have been the Governor from Alaska.
They really can't lay off of Palin.

Its not so much a Democrat Republican thing. Its an elites vs. commoners thing. She dared to be a housewife playing at Mrs. Smith Goes To Washington and the establishment is savaging her to insure no one gets close to pulling it off.

I hope it backfires big time but I've heard too many supposedly educated idiots buy into the trailer trash propaganda. (Including my female boss who is all about femenism and empowering the downtrodden until it comes to Conservative Derangement Syndrome. I really try to avoid political discussions with her.)

496 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:44:36am

re: #494 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder what they'll find in his house, what kind of prescription drugs he was on (rumor is the MI was caused by rx drugs) and what secrets he took with him.

Everything will come out, whether or not you want to know.

497 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:45:07am

re: #493 rustler

Since we are talking Sen Kerry both should work. Maybe he whined for swiss cheese on his Philly and then downed a glass of wine.


Or more likely he whined that he had to dine amongst the common folks and couldn't properly enjoy his meal because he wasn't sure what wine goes with a Philly Cheesesteak.

498 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:45:25am

re: #492 Nevergiveup Doesn't he realize she don't go a missin she's just gone a huntin.

499 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:45:50am

re: #490 soxfan4life

I'll admit freely that that was a ground-breaking video.

I'd better get some chores done before Gorebull Warmening takes over this afternoon.

Arkansas' June in the 90s. Man, I ain't never seen that before.

Those poor polar bears. They must be sweating buckets.

500 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:46:50am

re: #495 DaddyG

Its not so much a Democrat Republican thing. Its an elites vs. commoners thing. She dared to be a housewife playing at Mrs. Smith Goes To Washington and the establishment is savaging her to insure no one gets close to pulling it off.

I hope it backfires big time but I've heard too many supposedly educated idiots buy into the trailer trash propaganda. (Including my female boss who is all about femenism and empowering the downtrodden until it comes to Conservative Derangement Syndrome. I really try to avoid political discussions with her.)

From my observations, it seems that the really feminist women loathe Sarah Palin. I think that they resent her accomplishments , because she is not one of them.

501 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:47:00am

I just got a call from a Patient kinda complaining about the fee being high? I mean this happens once in a while, but it's usually the same. It's a super rich patient. I grew up with this girl, went to school with her and her brother, and they own half the property in the area I live in. Rich as shit. Sigh

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:47:15am

Gotta go to work. Damn.

503 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:47:38am

re: #476 soxfan4life

It's akin to the death of Elvis. Despite the mess his life had become he was a legendary performer.


A little too akin to the death of Elvis... Headlines this morning say it may be a Demerol injection that stopped his heart.

504 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:48:11am

re: #498 rustler

Doesn't he realize she don't go a missin she's just gone a huntin.

And if kerry ever went a huntin, he'd be sure to go a missin also.

505 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:48:33am

re: #494 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder what they'll find in his house, what kind of prescription drugs he was on (rumor is the MI was caused by rx drugs) and what secrets he took with him.

I suspect some drugs were involved. He'd even acknowledged a painkiller addiction in the past.

506 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:49:40am

re: #470 rustler

Silver also has the Highest electrical conductivity and one of the highest index of reflection(part of the reason it is used in mirrors) (Aluminum beats it in some of the visible spectra of reflection but silver is more consistant) of all metals followed closely by pure copper. Approximately 38% of all silver consumed is for industrial purposes.

That's exectly what I comprehend. Silver is more in need then (than?) gold. Practice uses.

507 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:50:18am

re: #497 soxfan4life
A good cabernet sauvignon for a philly isn't it. Since both the Wine and Cheesesteak are bold flavors? Plus they have the Green bell pepper flavored Cabernet Sauvignon's which are made with slightly under ripe grapes if I recall.

508 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:50:34am

re: #480 CIA Reject

They're probably both right: it'll be an extra $3000 a year if you keep doing what you're doing now, but only $175 a year if you unplug all your electrical appliances and sit sweating (or freezing) in the dark.

Liberals love to legislate behavior modification.

A lot of the information in the census is ripe for the picking by social engineers.

509 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:51:03am

re: #500 opnion

From my observations, it seems that the really feminist women loathe Sarah Palin. I think that they resent her accomplishments , because she is not one of them.

I know that this is a popular meme, but the truth is Palin is attacked by all kinds of people unfairly, for a variety of misogynistic reasons.

Claiming that all her unfair and sexist critics are "feminist women who resent her accomplishments' is just as sexist as the sexist criticisms thrown at Palin, IMO.

510 soxfan4life  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:51:14am

Got to run have a good one y'all.

511 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:51:28am

re: #505 iceweasel

I suspect some drugs were involved. He'd even acknowledged a painkiller addiction in the past.

I read in the NY Post that someone had just administered IV Demerol to him and then his breathing became labored and he went, well , belly up. Demerol will do that to ya.

512 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:51:40am

re: #504 Nevergiveup
//Why Cheney gonna show him the ropes.

513 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:51:46am

re: #481 johnnyreb

And unicorns are going to fly out of my butt too!

I can't wait to see what this does to the price of electricity and I am not even going to go on about how much my heating oil is going to cost if this bill gets past.

Won't it also affect the price of gasoline? The price of cars? Housing?

514 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:52:08am

re: #510 soxfan4life

Later sox.

515 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:52:29am

re: #498 rustler

Doesn't he realize she don't go a missin she's just gone a huntin.

Heh - like Daniel Boone's response to the Washington reporter who asked him if he'd ever been lost in the wilderness: "Lost? No, I ain't never been lost- I been real confused for three or four weeks at a time, but never lost."

516 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:53:41am

re: #483 Mithrax

Oh I think making jokes about him is awful period. But I think most people should remember that personal crises are more pressing to deal with and more personally tragic than a celeb.

Will pray for your mom if you're ok with that.

Oh, yes. Please.

517 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:54:30am

re: #511 Nevergiveup

I read in the NY Post that someone had just administered IV Demerol to him and then his breathing became labored and he went, well , belly up. Demerol will do that to ya.

That makes sense. Especially if he already had some other stuff in his system.

It's so sad. Whatever else happened later, looking at those old Jackson 5ive videos is heartbreaking.

518 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:55:55am

re: #508 MandyManners

A lot of the information in the census is ripe for the picking by social engineers.

And with the current balance of power in DC there is, unfortunately, an excellent chance of a lot of that social engineering finding its way into law.

519 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:56:35am

re: #513 MandyManners

Won't it also affect the price of gasoline? The price of cars? Housing?


Correct. Anything that uses directly or indirectly any form of energy will be affected. We will not see it right away, that's why congress made all of those compromises for free permits and the like. Once those start to expire and companies have to actually buy permits we will see the true costs. I think most of the free permits expire in 5 years or less from what little has been released.

This will turn out to be another emergency bill that if it isn't passed right friggin now we will all die piece of legislation. The bill can't stand the light of day and have any hopes of being passed.

520 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:56:54am

re: #489 Mad Al-Jaffee

...'Look over there(don't think about what your Congress is up-to)!

521 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:57:36am

re: #518 CIA Reject

And with the current balance of power in DC there is, unfortunately, an excellent chance of a lot of that social engineering finding its way into law.

I'm not opening my door to strangers until it's over.

522 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:58:35am

re: #519 johnnyreb

Correct. Anything that uses directly or indirectly any form of energy will be affected. We will not see it right away, that's why congress made all of those compromises for free permits and the like. Once those start to expire and companies have to actually buy permits we will see the true costs. I think most of the free permits expire in 5 years or less from what little has been released.

This will turn out to be another emergency bill that if it isn't passed right friggin now we will all die piece of legislation. The bill can't stand the light of day and have any hopes of being passed.

Let's create a crisis!

523 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:58:36am

re: #521 MandyManners

I'm not opening my door to strangers until it's over.

[Scene: A New York apartment. Someone knocks on the door.]
Woman: [not opening the door] Yes?
Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Arlsburgerhhh?
Woman: What?
Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Johannesburrr?
Woman: Who is it?
Voice: [pause] Flowers.
Woman: Flowers for whom?
Voice: [long pause] Plumber, ma'am.
Woman: I don't need a plumber. You're that clever shark, aren't you?
Voice: [pause] Candygram.
Woman: Candygram, my foot. You get out of here before I call the police. You're the shark, and you know it.
Voice: Wait. I-I'm only a dolphin, ma'am.
Woman: A dolphin? Well...okay. [opens door]
[Huge latex and foam-rubber shark head lunges through open door, chomps down on woman's head, and drags her out of the apartment, all while the Jaws attack music is playing.]

524 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:58:39am

re: #509 iceweasel

I know that this is a popular meme, but the truth is Palin is attacked by all kinds of people unfairly, for a variety of misogynistic reasons.

Claiming that all her unfair and sexist critics are "feminist women who resent her accomplishments' is just as sexist as the sexist criticisms thrown at Palin, IMO.

Please go back and read Opinion's statement again. He said in his experience and really feminist women. The words all feminists never entered into his comments- that was your straw man. I can back that up with my own experience where most of the die hard feminists I know are surprisingly vicious towards her.

You might want to save your righteous indignation and equivocation for someone who actually says all feminists are vicious towards Palin but I doubt you will find many opportunities on LGF to do that.

I personally think it is disgusting and uber-hypocritical for any feminist to trash Sarah Palin for being a successful leader who happens to be a mom and a woman with strong religious convictions.

525 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:59:26am

re: #521 MandyManners

I'm not opening my door to strangers until it's over.

Nor am I.

I just saw your post about your mom- my prayers go out for her.

526 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:59:41am

re: #495 DaddyG

but I've heard too many supposedly educated idiots buy into the trailer trash propaganda

Ironically, one of my best friends is a super-millionaire who collects trailers (and horses). She has no class consciousness, but she's beautiful enough to cause serious disorientation whenever I see her.

527 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:59:43am

re: #516 MandyManners

Oh, yes. Please.

Email is up if you need to contact me for updates.

528 rustler  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:59:57am

re: #519 johnnyreb yep just like Obama wasn't really upset about the $4/gallon gas just at the speed it climbed and the small cut govt got.

Night all relief here

529 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:00:12am

re: #523 Mithrax

Voice: Wait. I-I'm only a dolphin, ma'am.
Woman: A dolphin? Well...okay. [opens door]

Eat more tuna.

530 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:01:38am

re: #525 CIA Reject

Nor am I.

I just saw your post about your mom- my prayers go out for her.

Thank you!

531 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:01:39am

re: #523 Mithrax

Cut to front door of a flat. Man walks up to the door and rings bell. He is dressed smartly.
Man Burglar! (longish pause while he waits, he rings again) Burglar! (woman appears at other side of door)
Woman Yes?
Man Burglar, madam.
Woman What do you want?
Man I want to come in and steal a few things, madam.
Woman Are you an encydopaedia salesman?
Man No madam, I'm a burglar, I burgle people.
Woman I think you're an encyclopaedia salesman.
Man Oh I'm not, open the door, let me in please.
Woman If I let you in you'll sell me encyclopaedias.
Man I won't, madam. I just want to come in and ransack the flat. Honestly.
Woman Promise. No encyclopaedias?
Man None at all.
Woman All right. (she opens door) You'd better come in then.
Man enters it through door.
Man Mind you I don't know whether you've really considered the advantages of owning a really fine set of modern encyclopaedias...(he pockets valuable) You know, they can really do you wonders.

532 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:01:45am

re: #529 MandyManners

Eat more tuna.

It just isn't as tasty without the dolphin in it. /

533 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:02:00am

re: #509 iceweasel

No, it's not nearly "as sexist" as pointing out the Feminists who rose to power on the backs of American women and then completely abandoned them in favor of mainstreaming Leftist extremism under the guise of "equality". The modern Feminists are the worst thing to ever happen to American women. In Massachusetts in particular, the ownership of (male and female) Legislators by NOW, etc. is complete and total.

534 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:02:44am

re: #527 Mithrax

Email is up if you need to contact me for updates.

Thank you but, my ISP will not allow me to contact anyone here through this system.

535 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:03:38am

re: #526 legalpad

Ironically, one of my best friends is a super-millionaire who collects trailers (and horses). She has no class consciousness, but she's beautiful enough to cause serious disorientation whenever I see her.

That sometimes happens when the blood leaves the head and settles in other regions.

536 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:03:51am

re: #534 MandyManners

Thank you but, my ISP will not allow me to contact anyone here through this system.

Okies.

537 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:04:44am

re: #532 DaddyG

It just isn't as tasty without the dolphin in it. /

But, it's not crunchy.

538 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:06:41am

re: #536 Mithrax

They're sticking a tube down her lungs to do a biopsy today. If it's cancer, there will be nothing to do because she has COPD and has had a heart attack. Also, she's aspirated so she has a tube down her throat for feeding which might be permanent.

539 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:07:22am

Mandy- I just bowed my head and said a prayer for you and your whole family. This may sound crazy but I got the distinct impression that all will be well and the kid will enjoy grandma's attention for years to come. The net is too impersonal at times but know that there are a lot of us exercising our faith in our own way in your behalf. Please take comfort and strangth from that.

540 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:07:57am

re: #524 DaddyG

You might want to save your righteous indignation and equivocation for someone who actually says all feminists are vicious towards Palin but I doubt you will find many opportunities on LGF to do that.

You might want to reread my own comment again. You won't find indignation, righteous or otherwise, or any equivocation. Merely an observation I take to be uncontroversial, and I expect all people on LGF to also find uncontroversial. Indeed, your own comment proves you don't disagree.

I personally think it is disgusting and uber-hypocritical for any feminist to trash Sarah Palin for being a successful leader who happens to be a mom and a woman with strong religious convictions.

And again, if you read my comment either more closely, or with some charity, you'd find that we agree on this as well.

In other words: lighten up, Francis. :)

541 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:08:08am

re: #501 Nevergiveup

I just got a call from a Patient kinda complaining about the fee being high? I mean this happens once in a while, but it's usually the same. It's a super rich patient. I grew up with this girl, went to school with her and her brother, and they own half the property in the area I live in. Rich as shit. Sigh

Can U write me a Cannabis prescription?

542 johnnyreb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:08:10am

re: #529 MandyManners

Eat more tuna.


I only buy tuna safe dolphin at the store.

543 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:09:14am

PIMF = strength. Just saw your last comment. I hope my message isn't too presumptuous. {Mandy and Mom}

544 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:09:23am

re: #541 Ateam

Can U write me a Cannabis prescription?

Sure, the day before I am going to lose my license anyway, I'll get in touch with ya.
/

545 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:10:18am
546 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:10:46am

re: #533 Lincolntf

No, it's not nearly "as sexist" as pointing out the Feminists who rose to power on the backs of American women and then completely abandoned them in favor of mainstreaming Leftist extremism under the guise of "equality". The modern Feminists are the worst thing to ever happen to American women. In Massachusetts in particular, the ownership of (male and female) Legislators by NOW, etc. is complete and total.

So you think "all feminists' were vicious to Palin?

I'm just asking, because I didn't think anyone here had that view, and daddyG just felt the need to inform me that no one here has that view. For some reason.

547 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:11:43am

re: #535 MandyManners

That sometimes happens when the blood leaves the head and settles in other regions.

She cures it by being pure as the driven snow. I think I have a problem.

548 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:12:56am

re: #538 MandyManners

Mandy, I've been thinking of you and your family off and on since your comment last night when you couldn't sleep. My best wishes are with you all.

549 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:13:01am

Good morning y'all from a warm and muggy (74 degrees going to 90 with T-Storms probable this afternoon/evening) Charloot.
How is everyone doing this morning?

550 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:13:07am

re: #540 iceweasel

You might want to reread my own comment again...

In other words: lighten up, Francis. :)

I did. It still smacks of equivocation and contains an obvious straw man.

I'm as light as a fart on the breeze thank you!

551 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:14:53am

re: #539 DaddyG

Thank you very much. However, she has COPD and her lungs are about worn out. From what I can tell getting the information second-hand, the area with the mass has also swollen shut despite the IV, high-powered steroids. I hate to sound this pessimistic.

552 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:15:45am

re: #542 johnnyreb

I only buy tuna safe dolphin at the store.

So, thank to you the land-shark will keep on eating women in NYC apartments.

553 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:15:45am

re: #551 MandyManners
Hi Mandy - I just walked into the room - are y'all talking about your mother?

554 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:15:50am

re: #550 DaddyG

I did. It still smacks of equivocation and contains an obvious straw man.

I'm as light as a fart on the breeze thank you!

Well, I think you don't understand what 'equivocation' or 'strawmen' are, when employed as accusations of logical fallacies...but your last line made me laugh, and I think it might be cooler if we pick this up a little later, since other, more important topics have entered the thread.

cheers, ice

555 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:16:23am

re: #546 iceweasel

Every single one I saw or spoke to during the campaign treated her with contempt and condescension. If there's one or two out there who didn't, then I'm sure their NOW cards have been revoked.

556 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:16:51am

re: #547 legalpad

She cures it by being pure as the driven snow. I think I have a problem.

R U N LUV?

557 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:17:08am

re: #548 iceweasel

Thank you!

558 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:17:35am

Authorities Rule Iran Election ‘Healthy’ - a vigorous debate.

As Iran’s leaders push back threats to their authority after the disputed presidential election, crushing street protests and pressing challengers to withdraw or to limit their objections, the country’s main electoral oversight group ruled Friday that the ballot had been the “healthiest” since the Islamic revolution in 1979.

ObamaCare©!

559 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:17:39am

re: #553 realwest

Yep.

560 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:18:05am

re: #559 MandyManners

Yep.

Hang in there.

561 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:18:34am

re: #555 Lincolntf


Every single one I saw or spoke to during the campaign treated her with contempt and condescension. If there's one or two out there who didn't, then I'm sure their NOW cards have been revoked.

NOW supported her over the Letterman crap.

I suspect you don't know much about NOW, or 'feminists'. Maybe you've been unfortunate in the ones you've met.

562 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:18:36am

re: #556 MandyManners

R U N LUV?

I'm trying to get my mind off it, and here I am, not getting my mind off it.

563 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:18:46am

re: #559 MandyManners
I'm sorry to hear that Mandy - prayers going up now.
Would you like me to put her on The List? It gets posted every Sunday.

564 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:19:24am

re: #558 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Authorities Rule Iran Election ‘Healthy’ - a vigorous debate.


ObamaCare©!

Vigorous debate? FCBBHO would agree, all those dead bodies notwithstanding.

565 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:19:41am

re: #560 Nevergiveup

Thank you!

566 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:20:14am

Anyone got a good recipe for brisket in a charcoal smoker?

567 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:20:46am

re: #281 soxfan4life

It's a little premature, but I've seen Mrs. Sanford's resume and her class act, and I'd say Mrs. Sanford is a prime candidate to replace her sorry husband.

568 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:20:59am

re: #544 Nevergiveup

Sure, the day before I am going to lose my license anyway, I'll get in touch with ya.
/

Pleas, don't be so dramatic on this common issue. Everyone (k)nows that for a couple of $ u can get it in California.
Trouble is I'm half world way around..

569 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:21:34am

re: #546 iceweasel

So you think "all feminists' were vicious to Palin?

I'm just asking, because I didn't think anyone here had that view, and daddyG just felt the need to inform me that no one here has that view. For some reason.

This was the reason: "Claiming that all her unfair and sexist critics are "feminist women who resent her accomplishments' is just as sexist as the sexist criticisms thrown at Palin, IMO." -Iceweasel in post #509 (emphasis mine)

Let's play spot the strawman. You said someone was claiming this. I asked you to reread earlier comments were not claiming that. If you were referring to some anonymous poster who lives in another dimension that would be different, but you were responding to Opinion and Me.

For the record there are few things that irritate me more than the generic use of "some people" or the mysterious "they" in order to avoid engaging someone directly. It smacks of spinelessness.

Francis thinks people should avoid throwing crap into the room and claiming they weren't really aiming at anyone who got hit by it.

570 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:21:37am

re: #557 MandyManners

Thank you!

You're very welcome; I've been hoping you got at least a little sleep.

571 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:21:58am

Mandy:

I lost my father to cancer recently. It's tough, but I believe life is a gift, and I'm grateful for every minute.

572 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:22:48am

re: #564 MandyManners

Vigorous debate? FCBBHO would agree, all those dead bodies notwithstanding.

For the FCBBHO all those dead bodies mean nothing - the man is a sociopath.

573 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:23:00am

re: #551 MandyManners

Thank you very much. However, she has COPD and her lungs are about worn out. From what I can tell getting the information second-hand, the area with the mass has also swollen shut despite the IV, high-powered steroids. I hate to sound this pessimistic.

Sorry to hear that. Perhaps in my minds eye I was seeing a preview of the Heaven to come in all of our families. God bless and take comfort in this tough time.

574 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:24:41am

And on Palin: I've met some extremely liberal Democrat women here in NYC who tell me they think Sarah Palin highly charismatic even though they disagree with her on every policy position. That's what has the left running scared.

575 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:25:10am

re: #561 iceweasel

NOW supported her over the Letterman crap.

I suspect you don't know much about NOW, or 'feminists'. Maybe you've been unfortunate in the ones you've met.

I'm a former member of the CPUSA and Radical Women. My experience with both left me with no doubt that their aims are the same.

While I am a Feminist, I left behind the Feminism Industry a long time ago when I walked away from the committee in Colorado about its granting the vote to women. Even such a non-partisan body was rife with people who were Left-wing, agenda-driven Feminists.

576 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:26:07am

Henry Waxman drops in a 300 page addendum early this morning to the cap and trade bill.

Surely everyone has time to read it.

577 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:26:12am

re: #562 legalpad

I'm trying to get my mind off it, and here I am, not getting my mind off it.

Awww. Sounds like you're falling hard. (Maybe you should hit your big toe with a hammer.)

*eg*

578 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:26:32am

re: #572 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Good morning aboo! I thought he was a narcissist? Ya mean he's a Narcissistic Sociopath?!

579 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:26:33am

re: #563 realwest

I'm sorry to hear that Mandy - prayers going up now.
Would you like me to put her on The List? It gets posted every Sunday.

Please do, and thank you.

580 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:27:53am

re: #575 MandyManners

Notice: Iranian women are being shot down in their streets, and American "feminists" are silent. That's because the Democratic Party doesn't want to make a big deal out of this, lest it ruin the President's rapproachment with Ahmadinejad.

581 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:27:57am

re: #567 quickjustice

It's a little premature, but I've seen Mrs. Sanford's resume and her class act, and I'd say Mrs. Sanford is a prime candidate to replace her sorry husband.

According to Cato yesterday, only fucking idiots want to marry a politician.

582 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:28:29am

Here's the Towercam dawn. Looks like it will be a hot one in the Los Angeles area today. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.


Ahem:

"Shame on the disgusting theocrats of Iran, clinging to guns and religion, and denying people the freedom that God intends we all should have, and which the brave Union soldiers gave to my race here in this glorious USA."

— Obama.

?/// LIKE I WHISH !

583 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:28:31am

re: #568 Ateam

Pleas, don't be so dramatic on this common issue. Everyone (k)nows that for a couple of $ u can get it in California.
Trouble is I'm half world way around..

Well it might look a tad suspicious for "Dentist" to be writing for it. Rather Blase with my livelihood ain't ya?

584 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:28:47am

re: #570 iceweasel

You're very welcome; I've been hoping you got at least a little sleep.

I got about four hours which is pretty good for me.

585 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:29:05am

re: #576 rightside

Moron legislators.

586 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:29:10am

re: #569 DaddyG

Oh god. If you insist...

This was the reason: "Claiming that all her unfair and sexist critics are "feminist women who resent her accomplishments' is just as sexist as the sexist criticisms thrown at Palin, IMO." -Iceweasel in post #509 (emphasis mine)

Let's play spot the strawman. You said someone was claiming this.

Indeed, let's play 'spot the strawman'.
False. I did NOT say anyone here had claimed that. Believe it or not, when I come here I want to talk about politics and the media, not merely "what has been said within the bubble of LGF". Any reasonable person would know that my comment refers to "anyone who claims or has claimed", NOT "You claimed" or even "LGF claims" or anything like that.

Fault me for using the passive voice, if you must, but you're nitpicking here. And you're wrong.


For the record there are few things that irritate me more than the generic use of "some people" or the mysterious "they" in order to avoid engaging someone directly. It smacks of spinelessness.

Few things irritate me more than someone who lacks reading comprehension and insists on trying to pick a fight...unless it's someone who does it when more important issues are being discussed, involving other people and issues of health, and when it has already been delicately pointed out that this isn't the time to push their little grievance wagon because maybe 15 minutes later would be better.

587 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:29:12am

re: #581 MandyManners

Cato's not on vacation? He lied to us? Hmmm.

588 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:29:33am

re: #571 quickjustice

Mandy:

I lost my father to cancer recently. It's tough, but I believe life is a gift, and I'm grateful for every minute.

I'm quitting smoking. There is no way I want to go as she's going.

589 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:29:46am

re: #579 MandyManners
Done and again, prayers going up for her and for you; I'm very saddened by the news. ((Mandy))

590 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:29:49am

re: #574 quickjustice

And on Palin: I've met some extremely liberal Democrat women here in NYC who tell me they think Sarah Palin highly charismatic even though they disagree with her on every policy position. That's what has the left running scared.

Palin's extremely likable and highly charismatic. No question.

591 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:29:50am

re: #582 Ojoe

Wish, Whish, what the hell.

PIMF

592 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:30:14am

re: #588 MandyManners

Good for you.

593 KenJen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:30:16am

re: #567 quickjustice

It's a little premature, but I've seen Mrs. Sanford's resume and her class act, and I'd say Mrs. Sanford is a prime candidate to replace her sorry husband.

Yes. I like that idea.

594 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:30:17am

re: #554 iceweasel

Well, I think you don't understand what 'equivocation' or 'strawmen' are, when employed as accusations of logical fallacies...but your last line made me laugh, and I think it might be cooler if we pick this up a little later, since other, more important topics have entered the thread.

cheers, ice

Equivocation or Appeal to Common Practice = "I know that this is a popular meme, but the truth is Palin is attacked by all kinds of people unfairly"

Strawman = "Claiming that all her unfair and sexist critics... (no one claimed that in earlier posts)

I'm pretty sure I understand logical fallacies. Thanks anyway.

595 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:30:18am

re: #576 rightside

Henry Waxman drops in a 300 page addendum early this morning to the cap and trade bill.

Surely everyone has time to read it.

It's starting, all the special interests are getting their payoffs! And I am only on page 4!

596 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:30:22am

re: #572 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

For the FCBBHO all those dead bodies mean nothing - the man is a sociopath.

I know he is a narcissist. I've not considered sociopath. But, they're on the same continuum of personality disorders.

597 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:30:47am

And then, there's the New York State legislature, which is in a class all by itself. These people are both arrogant and stupid. It's a toxic combination.

598 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:31:00am

re: #573 DaddyG

Thank you!

599 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:31:22am

re: #582 Ojoe
Good morning Ojoe and thank you, again, for the beautiful photo!

600 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:31:25am

re: #577 MandyManners

Awww. Sounds like you're falling hard. (Maybe you should hit your big toe with a hammer.)

*eg*

Thanks Mandy. I'll try anything./ Seriously, it's nice of you to talk to me about it, considering what you're dealing with in the real world. Both my parents are gone. Morphine played a big role in making it easier for my Mother.

601 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:31:37am

re: #590 iceweasel

Palin could have charmed the country more than half way out of these economic doldrums by now had she been elected, if you ask me.

BBL

602 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:31:40am

re: #588 MandyManners

MY father was a cancer surgeon. He quit smoking at the end of WWII.

603 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:31:46am

re: #586 iceweasel Wow! Lighten up Francis.

604 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:31:50am

re: #594 DaddyG

Equivocation or Appeal to Common Practice = "I know that this is a popular meme, but the truth is Palin is attacked by all kinds of people unfairly"

Strawman = "Claiming that all her unfair and sexist critics... (no one claimed that in earlier posts)

I'm pretty sure I understand logical fallacies. Thanks anyway.

Thanks for proving my point.

605 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:32:05am

re: #578 realwest

Good morning aboo! I thought he was a narcissist? Ya mean he's a Narcissistic Sociopath?!

Extreme narcissism is often one of the characteristics.

606 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:32:38am

re: #588 MandyManners

Please quit so you can stay here and whack people.

607 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:32:55am

re: #596 MandyManners

I know he is a narcissist. I've not considered sociopath. But, they're on the same continuum of personality disorders.

It appears that when he sees these people getting killed in Iran...he thinks "how will this effect me"...not, "WE must stop this action". There is an egocentric angle to everything he does.

608 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:33:24am

re: #599 realwest

You are welcome. Good morning to you.

609 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:33:32am

re: #580 quickjustice

Notice: Iranian women are being shot down in their streets, and American "feminists" are silent. That's because the Democratic Party doesn't want to make a big deal out of this, lest it ruin the President's rapproachment with Ahmadinejad.

I'll give a slight pass to NOW since it's dedicated to American women. They did speak out about the honor killing in New York--Charles had a thread about it.

As for the rest of your post as it applies to other organizations, you're spot on.

610 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:33:33am

re: #597 quickjustice

And then, there's the New York State legislature, which is in a class all by itself. These people are both arrogant and stupid. It's a toxic combination.

Yeah, but from across the Hudson, it's fun to watch.

611 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:34:22am

re: #587 quickjustice

Cato's not on vacation? He lied to us? Hmmm.

He left late yesterday.

612 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:34:27am

re: #588 MandyManners

I'm quitting smoking. There is no way I want to go as she's going.

Good for you, Mandy!

613 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:34:57am

re: #561 iceweasel

You suspect a lot. And you are wrong.

614 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:35:04am

re: #588 MandyManners

I'm quitting smoking. There is no way I want to go as she's going.

That's a really good decision. It's beginning to look like we will have to take care of ourselves.

615 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:35:33am

I apologize for not up-dinging the gracious posts you all have made to me but my dinger is forcing me to refresh.

616 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:35:36am

re: #601 Ojoe

Palin could have charmed the country more than half way out of these economic doldrums by now had she been elected, if you ask me.

BBL

As much as many have painted her as a lightweight and even stupid, I highly doubt she would have run the country worse than Obama has. I cannot see her (or McCain, even), running up the spending like Obama has. Of the 4 people on the ticket, she was by far the most conservative and I would assume is appalled by the current course of the government.

617 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:36:35am

re: #613 Lincolntf

You suspect a lot. And you are wrong.

You're the one who's already been proven wrong about NOW.

618 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:37:07am

re: #615 MandyManners

I apologize for not up-dinging the gracious posts you all have made to me but my dinger is forcing me to refresh.

Mine gets like that when I've had a lot of beer.

619 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:37:10am

re: #509 iceweasel

I know that this is a popular meme, but the truth is Palin is attacked by all kinds of people unfairly, for a variety of misogynistic reasons.

Claiming that all her unfair and sexist critics are "feminist women who resent her accomplishments' is just as sexist as the sexist criticisms thrown at Palin, IMO.


I never said that all of her critics were feminists. I did say that personally I have observed that the REALLY feminist women resent Sarah Palin. I don't know how you can take that as sexist on my part, but whatever.

620 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:37:24am

re: #566 JohnnyReb

Anyone got a good recipe for brisket in a charcoal smoker?

Rub it with your favorite spice rub, and cook it indirect at around 250 until the internal temp is around 190.

621 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:37:44am

Gonna' get some coffee and see if The Kid is ready to get up. This is a very stressful time for him and he's been acting out. Maybe I'll let him sleep. bbiab

622 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:38:02am

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

BO want's to veto this bill over a lousy billion$...if he does I sure hope they over ride it

623 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:39:05am

re: #608 Ojoe Thanks Ojoe!
Good morning to you too - how are you doing today?

624 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:39:24am

OMG we are doomed! The following is the chart on how much electricity has to come from renewable sources in the US by year from the Waxman bill amendments:

Calendar year .Required annual
percentage
2012 . 6.0
2013 . 6.0
2014 . 9.5
2015 . 9.5
2016 . 13.0
2017 ; . 13.0
2018 .. 16.5
2019 . 16.5
2020 : . 20.0
2021 through 2039 : . 20.0

Right now we get approximately 2% through all renewable sources and that is a generous estimate. In just 2 years congress wants us to more than double that and in 11 years 20% of our electricity must be from renewable sources. Folks that is physically impossible, period. It is not going to happen because it is physically impossible for it to happen. This is all going to end very very badly for us.

625 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:39:47am

re: #586 iceweasel

Fault me for using the passive voice, if you must, but you're nitpicking here. And you're wrong.

"A matter of words perhaps, but words are important. Why are words important? If you cannot say what you mean, your Majesty, you will never mean what you say. And a gentleman should always mean what he says."

- Peter O'Toole as Reginald Fleming Johnston in Bertolucci's The Last Emperor

626 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:40:16am

re: #619 opnion

I never said that all of her critics were feminists. I did say that personally I have observed that the REALLY feminist women resent Sarah Palin. I don't know how you can take that as sexist on my part, but whatever.

I'm not claiming you are sexist. I apologise if my wording made it seem like I was claiming that.

You made a specific claim that the 'really feminist' women resent Palin, and that they resent her for a specific reason. I objected to that.

627 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:40:29am

re: #617 iceweasel

Go find me all the pro-Palin feminists that have apparently eluded me. I'll be waiting.
I know countless feminsts and extreme Lefties (not surprisingly, the group has 100% overlap) and I know them well. Their contempt for Palin was hard-wired into them by NOW, the MSM, etc. for the usual reason, with the usual methods of slurs and baseless accusations.
Palin represented independent thought among women, which is the most terrifying prospect of all for NOW.

628 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:40:34am

re: #622 albusteve

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

BO want's to veto this bill over a lousy billion$...if he does I sure hope they over ride it

Change that F-35 and F-22 to "ACORN" and his holiness would have no problems at all signing that bill.

Cut defense, but increase BS spending...sounds like a "great" plan to me!

629 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:42:28am

My kingdom for an ignore button.

630 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:42:29am

re: #616 Desert Dog

Palin had the most common sense. And of the divide between the culture of death and the culture of life, she was on the life side. Let us talk about the real central choice here. Obama says "punished with a baby" and Palin carries Trig to term. As a country we have made a very bad, even tragic choice in 2008. We will need some mercy & I hope we change direction soon.

(Yes I know I said BBL)

631 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:42:45am

re: #622 albusteve

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

BO want's to veto this bill over a lousy billion$...if he does I sure hope they over ride it


"Why hell, why does anyone want Air Superiority whatever that is?"- President Obama

632 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:43:19am

re: #629 rightside

My kingdom for an ignore button.

My apologies for getting my panties in a knot. I am being selfish on the thread and I will leave it be now.

633 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:43:20am

re: #624 JohnnyReb

OMG we are doomed! The following is the chart on how much electricity has to come from renewable sources in the US by year from the Waxman bill amendments:

Calendar year .Required annual
percentage
2012 . 6.0
2013 . 6.0
2014 . 9.5
2015 . 9.5
2016 . 13.0
2017 ; . 13.0
2018 .. 16.5
2019 . 16.5
2020 : . 20.0
2021 through 2039 : . 20.0

Right now we get approximately 2% through all renewable sources and that is a generous estimate. In just 2 years congress wants us to more than double that and in 11 years 20% of our electricity must be from renewable sources. Folks that is physically impossible, period. It is not going to happen because it is physically impossible for it to happen. This is all going to end very very badly for us.

I think they're actually counting on it being impossible. It's the money they want, not alternative energy. If they wanted alternative energy they would simplify the licensing process for nuke plants and fund reprocessing of nuclear fuel.

This is a tax disguised as energy legislation.

634 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:43:41am

re: #624 JohnnyReb

I read an essay by Jerry Pournelle from the late 70's early 80's on renewable energy. According to the number crunching he did the best you could be able to get would be something like 5% of renewable energy that was reliable. Wish I could find it online. He was really ticked about Carter cutting funding to fusion research back in the day as well.

635 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:43:58am

re: #624 JohnnyReb

OMG we are doomed! The following is the chart on how much electricity has to come from renewable sources in the US by year from the Waxman bill amendments:

Calendar year .Required annual
percentage
2012 . 6.0
2013 . 6.0
2014 . 9.5
2015 . 9.5
2016 . 13.0
2017 ; . 13.0
2018 .. 16.5
2019 . 16.5
2020 : . 20.0
2021 through 2039 : . 20.0

Right now we get approximately 2% through all renewable sources and that is a generous estimate. In just 2 years congress wants us to more than double that and in 11 years 20% of our electricity must be from renewable sources. Folks that is physically impossible, period. It is not going to happen because it is physically impossible for it to happen. This is all going to end very very badly for us.


Head On. Apply directly to the forehead
Head On. Apply directly to the forehead
Head On. Apply directly to the forehead

636 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:44:06am

re: #627 Lincolntf

Go find me all the pro-Palin feminists that have apparently eluded me. I'll be waiting.
I know countless feminsts and extreme Lefties (not surprisingly, the group has 100% overlap) and I know them well. Their contempt for Palin was hard-wired into them by NOW, the MSM, etc. for the usual reason, with the usual methods of slurs and baseless accusations.
Palin represented independent thought among women, which is the most terrifying prospect of all for NOW.

I think you're operating with a very strange notion of 'feminist'.

Feminists are just humanists; they subscribe to the radical notion that women are people and deserve the same rights as men.
On this reading, most people now in the US are feminists. Even people who don't like the word. Even you.

But we can pretend that 'feminist' actually means some Rush-defined class of "feminazi' if you want.

637 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:44:11am

re: #623 realwest

Doing fine!

638 KenJen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:44:13am

re: #622 albusteve

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

BO want's to veto this bill over a lousy billion$...if he does I sure hope they over ride it

Why spend money on fighter jets when we have more pressing things to deal with like global warming? Plus once we spend $45 gazillion on health care we will be saving so much money that we can by all the fighter jets in the world. Makes sense right?

639 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:44:54am

re: #624 JohnnyReb

OMG we are doomed! The following is the chart on how much electricity has to come from renewable sources in the US by year from the Waxman bill amendments:

Calendar year .Required annual
percentage
2012 . 6.0
2013 . 6.0
2014 . 9.5
2015 . 9.5
2016 . 13.0
2017 ; . 13.0
2018 .. 16.5
2019 . 16.5
2020 : . 20.0
2021 through 2039 : . 20.0

Right now we get approximately 2% through all renewable sources and that is a generous estimate. In just 2 years congress wants us to more than double that and in 11 years 20% of our electricity must be from renewable sources. Folks that is physically impossible, period. It is not going to happen because it is physically impossible for it to happen. This is all going to end very very badly for us.

Do people like Waxman live in an alternate universe? I am guessing that their reasoning on these figures is that if mandated, we will somehow magically produce this much electricity from solar panels and windmills? We will be forced to do it akin to the CAFE standards in the auto industry?

Hey Harry and Barry, start building some nuclear reactors and open up all of the lands that have oil for drilling...that does not require a magic wand or the serious arm twisting and behavior modification that your never-neverland bill needs.

640 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:45:07am

re: #626 iceweasel

I'm not claiming you are sexist. I apologise if my wording made it seem like I was claiming that.

You made a specific claim that the 'really feminist' women resent Palin, and that they resent her for a specific reason. I objected to that.

Ok, now I get ya. I said from my observations. On the cable chat fests it seems like feminists really dislike & ridicule her, rather than giving her credit for her accomplisments. At work I have also noticed that many women that consider themselves feminist dismiss Sarah Palin as an idiot.
Nothing scientific here, just what I have observed

641 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:46:46am

re: #624 JohnnyReb

OMG we are doomed! The following is the chart on how much electricity has to come from renewable sources in the US by year from the Waxman bill amendments:

Calendar year .Required annual
percentage
2012 . 6.0
2013 . 6.0
2014 . 9.5
2015 . 9.5
2016 . 13.0
2017 ; . 13.0
2018 .. 16.5
2019 . 16.5
2020 : . 20.0
2021 through 2039 : . 20.0

Right now we get approximately 2% through all renewable sources and that is a generous estimate. In just 2 years congress wants us to more than double that and in 11 years 20% of our electricity must be from renewable sources. Folks that is physically impossible, period. It is not going to happen because it is physically impossible for it to happen. This is all going to end very very badly for usthe Democratic Party.

There, FTFY!

642 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:47:40am

“Looking back, I don’t know how much time people had," Reid said about the stimulus

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

that's a flat out lie...it was nine hours...and this man is president of the Senate

643 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:47:47am

re: #637 Ojoe
I'm sure glad to hear that! Have you found work and/or are you leaving California?

644 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:48:04am

re: #638 KenJen

Why spend money on fighter jets when we have more pressing things to deal with like global warming? Plus once we spend $45 gazillion on health care we will be saving so much money that we can by all the fighter jets in the world. Makes sense right?

I know you're being sarcastic, but if the 'crisis' in health care is the alleged 45 million uninsured Americans (that number is debatable), then a million dollars a year to each uninsured American would solve the problem and then some. No one spends more than a million dollars a year on health care, no matter how sick they are. No need to send the entire country into debt, or to have the government take over 1/5th of the economy. But getting the uninsured insured isn't what this all about, of course.

645 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:48:54am

re: #509 iceweasel

I know that this is a popular meme, but the truth is Palin is attacked by all kinds of people unfairly, for a variety of misogynistic reasons.

Claiming that all her unfair and sexist critics are "feminist women who resent her accomplishments' is just as sexist as the sexist criticisms thrown at Palin, IMO.

I agree with you that not all of Palin's unfair and sexist critics are "feminist" women.

But there is no doubt in my mind that the hard left "feminists" do indeed hate Palin with a passion that is illogical.

In #533, Lincolntf is correct:

No, it's not nearly "as sexist" as pointing out the Feminists who rose to power on the backs of American women and then completely abandoned them in favor of mainstreaming Leftist extremism under the guise of "equality".

I have had dealings with NOW, the local chapter. They are less than useless. They had an agenda they were determined to "push", facts be damned. Lincoln's statment in 627:

Palin represented independent thought among women, which is the most terrifying prospect of all for NOW.

is right on target, from my experience.

646 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:49:06am

re: #615 MandyManners

my dinger is forcing me to refresh.

Taken out of context, that can sound pretty dirty. :)

647 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:49:45am

M x2 M:

Let me try to broaden the talk about parents.
They R not perfect. Re: Hitler, Stalin, Ahaminigad.
They R also not so responsible (though some genes are concern in the process).

We have no obligation to generations, past & forwards. Everyone to her/his destiny.

648 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:49:52am

re: #639 Desert Dog

Do people like Waxman live in an alternate universe? I am guessing that their reasoning on these figures is that if mandated, we will somehow magically produce this much electricity from solar panels and windmills? We will be forced to do it akin to the CAFE standards in the auto industry?

Hey Harry and Barry, start building some nuclear reactors and open up all of the lands that have oil for drilling...that does not require a magic wand or the serious arm twisting and behavior modification that your never-neverland bill needs.

Uh guys so far I have not seen the word "nuclear" in what constitutes renewable energy. I am still reading but I don't think it is there.

649 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:50:01am

re: #626 iceweasel

I'm not claiming you are sexist. I apologise if my wording made it seem like I was claiming that.

You made a specific claim that the 'really feminist' women resent Palin, and that they resent her for a specific reason. I objected to that.

Morning all. I can only speak about a feminist ex-Hillary supporter friend's response to McCain's Palin pick. My friend said "Does he think we'll vote for anyone with a vagina ?"
Some, but certainly not all women though Palin was a not the best pick among the GOP women available.

650 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:50:46am

re: #649 avanti

How many GOP women were available?

651 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:51:18am

re: #640 opnion

There are plenty of people who gorge themselves full on the leftist propaganda of NPR, and the like, and they eat a serving of this and that, and some of the food is "I am a feminist, and fiercely progressive," and another, served up whole, and swallowed without choking — I don't know how they do it— is "Palin is an idiot"; and when you tickle these people, the barf all this stuff up.

652 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:51:49am

re: #643 realwest

Getting some work here. Not moving! Kids in school!

653 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:51:56am

re: #624 JohnnyReb

We're not "doomed", because what is legislated can be repealed. On the other hand, this will begin to damage our economy immediately. We should be investing heavily in nuclear instead, and in miniature nuclear for urban areas in particular.

654 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:52:13am

re: #646 Mad Al-Jaffee

Careful, you don't want to be on the recieving end of her clue by four.

655 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:52:30am

BBL !

656 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:53:14am

re: #648 JohnnyReb

Uh guys so far I have not seen the word "nuclear" in what constitutes renewable energy. I am still reading but I don't think it is there.


Why hell JohnnyReb, why would you expect to find the ONLY proven "alternative" energy resource mentioned in that bill? I'd bet that neither Waxman nor Pelosi can spell nuclear - I think it's against the law in California to even mention the word nuclear!

657 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:53:52am

re: #640 opnion

Ok, now I get ya. I said from my observations. On the cable chat fests it seems like feminists really dislike & ridicule her, rather than giving her credit for her accomplisments. At work I have also noticed that many women that consider themselves feminist dismiss Sarah Palin as an idiot.
Nothing scientific here, just what I have observed

Ok, see, now you and I can get somewhere. We were actually agreeing initially, before someone else felt like he should come in and muddy the waters.

There are a lot of people, especially on cable chat, who dismiss Palin as an idiot. She is NOT an idiot. Palin has also been subjected to sexist attacks, some by women and some not, some within her own party and lots from outside it. All of these are wrong.

An example of the kind of crap she got is this: when people weren't slandering her and claiming she wasn't really Trig's mom, they were 'piously' wondering if she could be a good mother to a special needs child AND be a VP-- or a governor. And it was women, and often supposedly feminist women, who had no problem raising that issue-- despite the fact that this very issue has historically been used by male sexists to keep from promoting women, or even offering them certain jobs.

Bottom line: Palin got a lot of unfair attacks, and some of the worst came from the very women who in theory support the choices she's made.

658 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:54:26am

re: #652 Ojoe
Well I'm glad that you're getting some work my friend!
Too bad about you not moving though.
:)

659 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:54:41am

re: #649 avanti

My friend said "Does he think we'll vote for anyone with a vagina ?"

Why not? They'll vote for any Democrat that has an asshole.

660 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:55:58am

re: #583 Nevergiveup

Well it might look a tad suspicious for "Dentist" to be writing for it. Rather Blase with my livelihood ain't ya?

I didn't know you are at the tooth business. Thought of you more of Dr. House.

661 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:55:58am

re: #649 avanti

I know people who said they were voting against McCain because of Palin. My reply: you object to an "unqualified" candidate for vice president, while ignoring an "unqualified" candidate for president.

The left of both genders hates Palin because she's everything they'll never be.

662 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:56:01am

re: #636 iceweasel

You can always tell a nervous weasel when the "Limbaugh" card comes tumbling from their keyboard.
Feminists (as currently constituted) are Leftists who define their philosophy based on their physical forms. They use that identification process of genitalia = Leftism to cow millions of women into giving up their own minds in order to be a proper "feminist".
They are a sad, sick remnant of times long past. If NOW disbanded today women would be far better off.

663 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:56:22am

re: #659 razorbacker

Why not? They'll vote for any Democrat that has is an asshole.

/ftfy

664 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:56:41am

re: #650 rightside

How many GOP women were available?

They were all busy subjugating themselves to their husbands and baking cookies with the kids. ///

665 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:57:16am

re: #631 realwest

"Why hell, why does anyone want Air Superiority whatever that is?"- President Obama

It's Gate's that is pushing hard to get the bill passed without the added planes. He knows congress always adds unwanted programs dear to their states.
Gates believes the cold war threat from China and the old Soviet union is much less then the threats we face in the new century that need more conventional arms.
i.e., I forgot the number, but you can build a lot of Predators for the 350 million cost of a Raptor. I'm not a expert on weapons, but I trust that Gates is and he's pushing for a entire new direction change in the defense budget.

666 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:57:58am

re: #651 Ojoe

There are plenty of people who gorge themselves full on the leftist propaganda of NPR, and the like, and they eat a serving of this and that, and some of the food is "I am a feminist, and fiercely progressive," and another, served up whole, and swallowed without choking — I don't know how they do it— is "Palin is an idiot"; and when you tickle these people, the barf all this stuff up.

The resentment against Palin is just way over the top.
It seems like many feminists oppose her, because she does not fit the template of being a liberal Democrat.
Crticising her "lack of experience" loses credibility when the same can be said for Obama.

667 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:58:16am

re: #659 razorbacker

Why not? They'll vote for any Democrat that has an asshole.

Not to nitpick again but you have three too many words in that last sentence. Care to guess which ones? /

668 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:58:42am

re: #657 iceweasel

Ok, see, now you and I can get somewhere. We were actually agreeing initially, before someone else felt like he should come in and muddy the waters.

There are a lot of people, especially on cable chat, who dismiss Palin as an idiot. She is NOT an idiot. Palin has also been subjected to sexist attacks, some by women and some not, some within her own party and lots from outside it. All of these are wrong.

An example of the kind of crap she got is this: when people weren't slandering her and claiming she wasn't really Trig's mom, they were 'piously' wondering if she could be a good mother to a special needs child AND be a VP-- or a governor. And it was women, and often supposedly feminist women, who had no problem raising that issue-- despite the fact that this very issue has historically been used by male sexists to keep from promoting women, or even offering them certain jobs.

Bottom line: Palin got a lot of unfair attacks, and some of the worst came from the very women who in theory support the choices she's made.

I was with you up 'til the last paragraph.

I don't think the example you provided came from the "very women" who in theory supported the choices she made. The example you provided came from people who thought she should have made a different choice, particularly about Trig.

669 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:58:55am

re: #663 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
GMTA

670 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:59:31am

re: #665 avanti Uh, y'all got a link to the fact that Gates doesn't want more F-22's?
BTW, was Gates ever in the military (if you know) and if so what branch and when?

671 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 6:59:35am

re: #649 avanti

Morning all. I can only speak about a feminist ex-Hillary supporter friend's response to McCain's Palin pick. My friend said "Does he think we'll vote for anyone with a vagina ?"
Some, but certainly not all women though Palin was a not the best pick among the GOP women available.

Palin wasn't ready for the national stage yet. That's a fact-- even for those who are her ardent fans, they have to concede that her handlers and the GOP badly let her down in terms of prep.

The selection of Palin definitely came off to a lot of women like he thought picking anyone with a vagina would get disappointed female Hillary supporters to vote for him. That's also a fact. I can't tell you how many times I heard the sentiment your friend expressed, or saw it elsewhere.

They should have held off on Palin and groomed her for 2012 or 2016, instead of flinging her in there to boost McCain's dying campaign.

672 rikzilla  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:00:23am

Hey! what happened to the "velvet revolution" in Iran? Do those brave Iranians dying in the streets know that the tv cameras are now off and no one is watching anymore? Better yet...did AbnerJihad have Michael killed in order to get a little privacy while he crushes the revolution?

If he did I'd have to say it was a great piece of out-of-the-box thinking! Gee, if I thought of this I'll betcha anything the CTer community is really gearing up some cool paranoid explainations!

-zilla

673 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:00:55am

re: #667 DaddyG

Not to nitpick again but you have three too many words in that last sentence. Care to guess which ones? /

I am verbose. I hide my intent with volumes of bullshit. I baffle with sweet-sounding words that mean nothing.

I'm considering a run for Congress.

I'm tired of making my own living. Time to swing from that sweet federal teat for a while.

674 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:01:09am

re: #649 avanti

Some, but certainly not all women thought Palin was not the best pick among the GOP women available.

She wasn't. I think McCain picked her for her dazzle and audacity. It was a calculated gamble since they probably knew how far they were from being able to win. Also, somebody somewhere may have wanted her to jump in years too soon so they could get the public to categorize her. Kind of inoculating for the future.

675 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:01:28am

re: #668 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine!
"I don't think the example you provided came from the "very women" who in theory supported the choices she made. The example you provided came from people who thought she should have made a different choice, particularly about Trig."
Yep. Spot on comment there.

676 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:01:37am

re: #665 avanti

It's Gate's that is pushing hard to get the bill passed without the added planes. He knows congress always adds unwanted programs dear to their states.
Gates believes the cold war threat from China and the old Soviet union is much less then the threats we face in the new century that need more conventional arms.
i.e., I forgot the number, but you can build a lot of Predators for the 350 million cost of a Raptor. I'm not a expert on weapons, but I trust that Gates is and he's pushing for a entire new direction change in the defense budget.

Oy. Predator = unmanned, air to ground drone. Raptor = Air Supremacy Fighter. Like comparing a bike to a race car.

677 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:01:37am

re: #665 avanti

Rumsfeld worked hard to get an entirely new direction for the U.S. military. He remains widely hated for his efforts. I don't know the details of what Gates proposes, so I'll wait and see.

A history lesson for you: it was air superiority that won the Second World War for the Allies. Air superiority remains key to tactical and strategic victory in all theaters of war. Anyone who doesn't understand that principle doesn't understand modern warfare.

678 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:02:26am

re: #673 razorbacker

I am verbose. I hide my intent with volumes of bullshit. I baffle with sweet-sounding words that mean nothing.

I'm considering a run for Congress.

I'm tired of making my own living. Time to swing from that sweet federal teat for a while.

Nice start but you are going to have to lose that honest streak. ;-)

679 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:02:33am

NOW = Junior Anti-Sex League.

680 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:03:08am

Local time here 5.03 pm
Heppy Houres and weekend
starting with a glass of white wine from Gamla.
cheers!

681 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:03:28am

re: #676 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Oy. Predator = unmanned, air to ground drone. Raptor = Air Supremacy Fighter. Like comparing a bike to a race car.


But maybe we can put a lot of bikes in the Indy 500 and win it through sheer volume? /

682 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:04:18am

Man. I mosey into the cafeteria here for breakfast, and there's already a food fight in progress!

683 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:04:21am

re: #650 rightside

How many GOP women were available?

About a half dozen as I recall. The early money was on the women from Texas, sorry, the name escapes me.

684 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:04:26am

re: #672 rikzilla
Well I don't know what happened to those brave Iranian "dissidents" but due to popular e-mail requests, they've made it onto The List.

685 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:05:04am

re: #681 DaddyG

But maybe we can put a lot of bikes in the Indy 500 and win it through sheer volume? /

You son-of-a-bitch!

Where did you get an advance copy of the cap and trade bill?

That is supposed to be sooper-secrit!

686 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:05:09am

re: #676 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Oy. Predator = unmanned, air to ground drone. Raptor = Air Supremacy Fighter. Like comparing a bike to a race car.

Oh, whatever... they're both bad, shooty, hurty things! What's the difference?

/

687 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:05:24am

Oh dear God...Golan Heights as ‘peace park’ planned

It.Is.Going.To.Be.A.Long.Hot.Miserable.Summer.

688 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:05:37am

re: #668 reine.de.tout

I was with you up 'til the last paragraph.

I don't think the example you provided came from the "very women" who in theory supported the choices she made. The example you provided came from people who thought she should have made a different choice, particularly about Trig.

I have to say that people who are genuinely pro-choice should support a woman's choice-- and that means supporting her choice to have a baby just as much and just as fully as her decision not to.

In my opinion, anyone who thinks they have the right to tell Palin what to do with her pregnancy is just as wrong as anyone else who wants to tell any women what to do with hers. The old slogan was "Our Bodies, Our Choice"-- and to me that applies equally to choosing to have a baby, and choosing not to.

689 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:06:41am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

The thunderstorm which saw me scurrying off, closing down my PC, that lasted to nearly midnight. Nothing very violent, and the thunderclaps weren't even that loud.
Madame wasn't really too bothered - but our holiday visitor (four-legged) was scared! He tried repeatedly to climb onto my lap - all sixty pounds of him!
Took him along time to settle ...
And today I had to take him to my vet: he's sprained his ankle at some time during the last few days, and was in pain. He didn't want to put his weight on that leg ...
He's ok now, painkiller injection and some pills - and short walks on the lead only.
He's going back home on Sunday - I wish I could keep him forever ...!

690 KenJen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:06:41am

re: #683 avanti

Kay Bailey Hutchenson-I think?

691 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:06:45am

re: #682 Occasional Reader
Good morning O.R. how are you ...DUCK! ...whew, that was close...doing this morning?

692 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:07:31am

re: #682 Occasional Reader

Man. I mosey into the cafeteria here for breakfast, and there's already a food fight in progress!

Order the biscuits and gravy. They really stick to your opponents when thrown. :-p

693 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:08:39am

re: #683 avanti

About a half dozen as I recall. The early money was on the women from Texas, sorry, the name escapes me.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson

694 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:08:54am

re: #662 Lincolntf


Feminists (as currently constituted) are Leftists who define their philosophy based on their physical forms. They use that identification process of genitalia = Leftism to cow millions of women into giving up their own minds in order to be a proper "feminist".
They are a sad, sick remnant of times long past. If NOW disbanded today women would be far better off.

You really don't know what feminism is, if you think that only women are feminists.

And you clearly don't know what NOW do.

695 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:09:17am

On this day in 1950, North Korea invaded South Korea

696 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:09:19am

I repeat: Palin was as ready for the national stage as Obama with only one exception: he had years to prepare a carefully scripted persona, including teleprompter, that enabled him to beat Hillary, and he had used that time to build a team of skillful advisors. Palin had none of those assets, and McCain didn't help her.

697 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:09:20am

re: #660 Ateam

I didn't know you are at the tooth business. Thought of you more of Dr. House.

OK

698 That's Mr. President to you  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:09:30am

Good morning everyone.

Urgent action is needed on an issue of vital concern to all Americans: the 22nd amendment.

Please join the forces of Hope and Change in calling for its repeal.

699 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:09:41am

re: #687 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Well that WAS from the Arab News so don't get too upset about it.
It may be closer to the truth than whatever our MSM may ever say about it, but if so it's only by accident.

700 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:09:43am

re: #691 realwest

Good morning O.R. how are you ...DUCK! ...whew, that was close...doing this morning?

[removes grapefruit half from face]

I'm okay. You?

701 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:09:47am

re: #695 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

On this day in 1950, North Korea invaded South Korea

Well the days not over yet

702 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10:12am

re: #665 avanti

It's Gate's that is pushing hard to get the bill passed without the added planes. He knows congress always adds unwanted programs dear to their states.
Gates believes the cold war threat from China and the old Soviet union is much less then the threats we face in the new century that need more conventional arms.
i.e., I forgot the number, but you can build a lot of Predators for the 350 million cost of a Raptor. I'm not a expert on weapons, but I trust that Gates is and he's pushing for a entire new direction change in the defense budget.

gates, schmates...he does not sign the bill...he is a shiny object

703 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10:21am

re: #648 JohnnyReb

Uh guys so far I have not seen the word "nuclear" in what constitutes renewable energy. I am still reading but I don't think it is there.

The only time you will hear Obama and his posse say "nuclear" is when they are talking about getting rid of our nuclear weapons. That, and, it's "Ok" for Iran to have nuclear energy too.

704 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10:27am

re: #684 realwest

Well I don't know what happened to those brave Iranian "dissidents" but due to popular e-mail requests, they've made it onto The List.

Hiya, {rw}!

The fear has meant that at least two of the pbest twitterers ahve gone into hiding - they ahven't tweeted for nearlyt wo days.
At least i hope they've amde it, and aren't in prison.
One only re-tweets announcements of demos in other coutnries in support of Mousavi, and one, a female, is tweeting mostly in farsi - winston usually transleates her tweets.
Aven the ABC correspondents are pretty quiet.

Allegedly today at 1 pm Tehran time, lots of green ballons were let rise into the sky - no photos yet.
The nighty shouts of 'allah akbar' are still continuing.

705 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10:38am

Is anyone else completely pissed off by the 24/7 King of Pop coverage when Iranians yearning to be free are dying at the hands of foreign thugs hired by a dictator? I almost killed a perfectly good car radio this morning.

706 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:10:40am
707 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:11:13am

re: #656 realwest

Why hell JohnnyReb, why would you expect to find the ONLY proven "alternative" energy resource mentioned in that bill? I'd bet that neither Waxman nor Pelosi can spell nuclear - I think it's against the law in California to even mention the word nuclear!

Yet another thing for which we can all be "thankful" to Hanoi Jane Fonda!

*SPIT*

708 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:11:19am

re: #689 yma o hyd
Hey good afternoon {yma} how are you today? Any storms in the forecast?

709 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:11:43am
710 KansasMom  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:12:06am

re: #705 DaddyG

Is anyone else completely pissed off by the 24/7 King of Pop coverage when Iranians yearning to be free are dying at the hands of foreign thugs hired by a dictator? I almost killed a perfectly good car radio this morning.

Yes. And I don't care much about what else they cover...just don't want to hear any more about MJ.

711 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:12:06am

re: #702 albusteve

gates, schmates...he does not sign the bill...he is a shiny object

Gates was, is, and will always be the mouthpiece of what ever master he is serving. A consummate Politician. And any man that serves more than one master is suspicious in my book. Never liked him, never will.

712 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:13:02am

re: #705 DaddyG

Is anyone else completely pissed off by the 24/7 King of Pop coverage when Iranians yearning to be free are dying at the hands of foreign thugs hired by a dictator? I almost killed a perfectly good car radio this morning.

My theory is that the Iranian intelligence services and Gov. Sanford teamed up to have Michael Jackson whacked.

Cui bono?

713 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:13:03am

Here is a collation of today's events, from the blog our wisnton recommended:

'>At 1pm today, Tehran's sky turned green. Those who had green baloons sent them in the air !
>Committee to Protect Journalists: In the past 2 days 40 journalists arrested in Iran!
>National security commission have met with Mousavi & Karoubi!
>Families are charged 5-14 thousand dollars to receive the bodies of their loved ones.They also need to sign a waver that they won't sure the police or other attackers.In a written undertaking, they need to say Mousavi is the reason & we have not complaints against police.
>No place is allowed to hold a funeral for these martyrs.The baloons were in memory of the victims & in objection to recent events and the coup.
URGENT>"Saeed Mortazavi", prosecutors general of Tehran, is put in charge of investigating recent detainees.
>Seyed Ahmad Khatami lead this Friday's prayer (since no one else was available!),He said whoever violates the leader, violated Imam's orders & that means violating god's order! "These riots are against the law & since [Khomeini] has prohibited them, they're against Islam."Islamic jurist (i.e., Khamenei) is not a political leader, he's a proof of religion"he said "UN is created by dictator governments & other governm.
"He said "A woman died in the riots(NEDA) & any sane person can tell it was done by rioters" !"
>Brigadier-general Fazli: Eight Basiji's have died in recent events.'

[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]

714 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:13:28am

re: #661 quickjustice

The left of both genders hates Palin because she's everything they'll never be.

Not to be rude because I like Palin as a person, but she not a role model for me, she's many things I have no desire to be.
She appeals to the right for the same reasons she does not appeal to the me and many on the left. She's a fundamental Christian creationist, she's not intellectually curious, she is not highly educated and she's pro life. Those traits are just fine for her, and I respect those that look for those traits in a leader even if I do not.

715 KenJen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:13:48am

re: #705 DaddyG

Is anyone else completely pissed off by the 24/7 King of Pop coverage when Iranians yearning to be free are dying at the hands of foreign thugs hired by a dictator? I almost killed a perfectly good car radio this morning.

I am. He was just a pop star. I mean you would think this guy walked on the moon or something.

716 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:14:06am

re: #696 quickjustice

I repeat: Palin was as ready for the national stage as Obama with only one exception: he had years to prepare a carefully scripted persona, including teleprompter, that enabled him to beat Hillary, and he had used that time to build a team of skillful advisors. Palin had none of those assets, and McCain didn't help her.

We're talking about the stage though, the spotlight of national exposure. Running a campaign, basically.

Palin wasn't prepared for it, McCain didn't help her. This is undeniable.
Obama excelled at it.

717 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:14:17am

re: #686 Occasional Reader

Oh, whatever... they're both bad, shooty, hurty things! What's the difference?

/

About 350 million a copy./

718 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:14:27am

re: #677 quickjustice

Exactly, those that control the skies controls the information flow on the ground as well. Most people fail to understand that now.

719 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:14:30am

A local used car dealer has been running ads for teh "Obama-Rama Bailout Blowout" featuring an Obama look-a-like, claiming that "I bailed out GM, I bailed out Chrysler, now I'll bail you out!"

720 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:14:57am

re: #716 iceweasel

We're talking about the stage though, the spotlight of national exposure. Running a campaign, basically.

Palin wasn't prepared for it, McCain didn't help her. This is undeniable.
Obama excelled at it.

Yes, he is great at running for office, too bad he sucks at the bits after the election.

721 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:15:11am

re: #708 realwest

Hey good afternoon {yma} how are you today? Any storms in the forecast?

Hiya, {rw}!

No more storms, but showers all day. Some were pretty heavy.
well - it is Wombledon, after all, so its gotta rain!
Oh, and the Glastonbury Festical started today - and if the site is not a sea of mud then its somehow not quite right!

722 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:15:11am

re: #712 Occasional Reader

My theory is that the Iranian intelligence services and Gov. Sanford teamed up to have Michael Jackson whacked.

Cui bono?

Damn that Soros!
//

723 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:15:13am

re: #682 Occasional Reader

Man. I mosey into the cafeteria here for breakfast, and there's already a food fight in progress!

DUCK!

724 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:15:28am

re: #700 Occasional Reader

[removes grapefruit half from face]

I'm okay. You?


I'm doing ok thanks - with any damn luck at all the Dentist will do the damn root canal today and I'll be able to eat again!
Sorry I didn't get that "DUCK" out to ya in time! (hands OR. napkin to wipe grapefruit off face).

725 Gearhead  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:15:44am

Looks like I missed a pretty spectacular food fight.

Are there any grits left?re: #713 yma o hyd

Families are charged 5-14 thousand dollars to receive the bodies of their loved ones.

Absolutely disgusting.

726 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:15:46am

re: #688 iceweasel

I'd argue that "choosing to have a baby" occurs when a woman chooses to have unprotected sex. "Protected" includes use of a contraceptive. If a woman then comes to regret her "choice"-- both to have sex, and to have it unprotected-- then she can "choose" to destroy her baby under current U.S. law.

As I've said before, I don't think such a "choice" to be murder, but it's deeply disturbing nonetheless. I can think of no circumstances when abortion would be attractive, and only a few, such as rape or incest, where it might be necessary.

727 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:16:12am

re: #624 JohnnyReb

OMG we are doomed! The following is the chart on how much electricity has to come from renewable sources in the US by year from the Waxman bill amendments:

Calendar year .Required annual
percentage
2012 . 6.0
2013 . 6.0
2014 . 9.5
2015 . 9.5
2016 . 13.0
2017 ; . 13.0
2018 .. 16.5
2019 . 16.5
2020 : . 20.0
2021 through 2039 : . 20.0

Right now we get approximately 2% through all renewable sources and that is a generous estimate. In just 2 years congress wants us to more than double that and in 11 years 20% of our electricity must be from renewable sources. Folks that is physically impossible, period. It is not going to happen because it is physically impossible for it to happen. This is all going to end very very badly for us.

I haven't had a chance to read through the bill, but doesn't renewable energy sources include hydro? Or is that specifically excluded?

Also, please point out the page on the bill markup so that we can find it quickly. Thanks!

728 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:16:14am

re: #705 DaddyG

Is anyone else completely pissed off by the 24/7 King of Pop coverage when Iranians yearning to be free are dying at the hands of foreign thugs hired by a dictator? I almost killed a perfectly good car radio this morning.

/especially when it turns out he was a sorry ass drug addict, $1/2 billion in debt

729 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:16:47am

Speaking of chicks in Government, check out this story about one female member of Congress. Real classy, Maxine.

Member of NOW?

730 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:16:57am

re: #714 avanti

Not to be rude because I like Palin as a person, but she not a role model for me, she's many things I have no desire to be.
She appeals to the right for the same reasons she does not appeal to the me and many on the left. She's a fundamental Christian creationist, she's not intellectually curious, she is not highly educated and she's pro life. Those traits are just fine for her, and I respect those that look for those traits in a leader even if I do not.

OK I will bite, how the heck do you know she is not intellectually curious? That is pretty far out there even for you.

731 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:16:59am

re: #657 iceweasel

Ok, see, now you and I can get somewhere. We were actually agreeing initially, before someone else felt like he should come in and muddy the waters.

There are a lot of people, especially on cable chat, who dismiss Palin as an idiot. She is NOT an idiot. Palin has also been subjected to sexist attacks, some by women and some not, some within her own party and lots from outside it. All of these are wrong.
She is getting constantly smeared & her family is fair game.
Some comments are despicable & would never be tolerated if they pertained to the Obamas.

An example of the kind of crap she got is this: when people weren't slandering her and claiming she wasn't really Trig's mom, they were 'piously' wondering if she could be a good mother to a special needs child AND be a VP-- or a governor. And it was women, and often supposedly feminist women, who had no problem raising that issue-- despite the fact that this very issue has historically been used by male sexists to keep from promoting women, or even offering them certain jobs.

Bottom line: Palin got a lot of unfair attacks, and some of the worst came from the very women who in theory support the choices she's made.

732 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:17:29am

re: #727 lawhawk

I haven't had a chance to read through the bill, but doesn't renewable energy sources include hydro? Or is that specifically excluded?

Enviromentalists no likey hydroelectric - it dams up rivers & makes life bad for fish.

733 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:18:03am

re: #705 DaddyG

Is anyone else completely pissed off by the 24/7 King of Pop coverage when Iranians yearning to be free are dying at the hands of foreign thugs hired by a dictator? I almost killed a perfectly good car radio this morning.

Yes - me!

I couldn't believe it when the Beeb in their early morning news went on and on and on about him, and not a word about Iran.
Totally disgusting - but it just shows the 'culture' we're living in: people in tears about him, but not for the death and imprisonment of so many people in iran.

734 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:18:04am

re: #723 MandyManners

DUCK!

Goose?

/runs for cover...

735 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:18:06am

re: #728 Killian Bundy

/especially when it turns out he was a sorry ass drug addict, $1/2 billion in debt

Is it too late to run him/her for Congress?

I'd like a little fiscal restraint up there.

736 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:18:26am

re: #728 Killian Bundy

/especially when it turns out he was a sorry ass drug addict, $1/2 billion in debt

Still ran his finances better than Obama.

737 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:18:32am

re: #730 JohnnyReb

OK I will bite, how the heck do you know she is not intellectually curious? That is pretty far out there even for you.

I was gonna bite, but I just don't have the energy.

738 J.S.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:18:35am

re: #705 DaddyG

yeah...and meanwhile in Iraq, U.S. troops are scheduled to pullout on June 30...(there have been daily bombings in Iraq for the past few days, but receives virtually no coverage).

739 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:18:41am

re: #713 yma o hyd

Seyed Ahmad Khatami lead this Friday's prayer

Important to note that this is NOT Mohammad Khatami (former Prez), folks.

Thanks for the update, yma.

740 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:19:12am

re: #705 DaddyG

Is anyone else completely pissed off by the 24/7 King of Pop coverage when Iranians yearning to be free are dying at the hands of foreign thugs hired by a dictator? I almost killed a perfectly good car radio this morning.

Last evening, WBZ radio in Boston thought that a special report on Michael Jackson (already in progress from the network) was more important than the traffic report. Get a clue - you can replay the Jackson stuff after rush hour.
Fortunately, there is a cell phone number (511) that gives traffic reports.

741 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:19:17am

re: #717 avanti

About 350 million a copy./

And if you can figure out how to establish air supremacy using Predator drones, you win the kewpie doll.

742 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:19:23am

A reminder to all you damned infidels, start getting over-it: Five special privileges for Muslims

Jabir ibn Abdullah quotes the Prophet (peace be upon him) as saying: “I have been given five privileges which were not given to anyone before me: I have been supported by fear traveling a month ahead of me; the earth has been assigned to me as a place of worship and a source of purification.

“Anyone from my community may pray wherever he is when prayer is due. War gains have been made lawful to me while they were not made lawful to anyone before. I have been allowed to intercede on behalf of my followers. Prophets before me used to be sent to their own local communities while I am sent to all mankind.” (Related by Al-Bukhari).

Stay tuned lousy, flee infested infidel:

We will be discussing the other three privileges next week, God willing.
743 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:19:28am

re: #728 Killian Bundy

/especially when it turns out he was a sorry ass drug addict, $1/2 billion in debt

weeping over the demise of MJ has a amusing side to it..."the KING IS DEAD!...and so forth

744 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:19:36am

re: #738 J.S.

yeah...and meanwhile in Iraq, U.S. troops are scheduled to pullout on June 30...(there have been daily bombings in Iraq for the past few days, but receives virtually no coverage).

These people sure like killing each other. Me I more into a good steak with beer. Go figure.

745 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:19:37am

re: #729 Lincolntf

Speaking of chicks in Government, check out this story about one female member of Congress. Real classy, Maxine.

Member of NOW?

Apparently, a prime motive for many elitist-minded politicians.

746 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:19:44am

re: #712 Occasional Reader

My theory is that the Iranian intelligence services and Gov. Sanford teamed up to have Michael Jackson whacked.

Cui bono?

You know too much. Watch out for black helicopters.

747 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:19:56am

re: #711 Nevergiveup
Good morning to you! Uh, I asked avanti this at #670
"BTW, was Gates ever in the military (if you know) and if so what branch and when?" and didn't see any answer - do you know?

748 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:20:06am

And in even more monumentous news: I bought the new iPhone. (But I don't have it yet... another week or so.)

749 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:20:07am

re: #665 avanti

On the defense budget, keep one other thing in mind: Obama cannot find the money for his spending plans without deep cuts to the military. That means reducing the U.S. military to a small, "self-defense of our borders" military force. That's a huge change in our priorities as a nation.

750 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:20:21am

re: #683 avanti

About a half dozen as I recall. The early money was on the women from Texas, sorry, the name escapes me.

Kay Bailey Hutcinson.

751 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:20:24am

re: #714 avanti

I would hope she's not a role model for you, she's a woman.

Now if my daughter would like to be like Sarah Palin, I would have no problem with that.

752 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:20:31am

re: #726 quickjustice

I'd argue that "choosing to have a baby" occurs when a woman chooses to have unprotected sex. "Protected" includes use of a contraceptive. If a woman then comes to regret her "choice"-- both to have sex, and to have it unprotected-- then she can "choose" to destroy her baby under current U.S. law.

As I've said before, I don't think such a "choice" to be murder, but it's deeply disturbing nonetheless. I can think of no circumstances when abortion would be attractive, and only a few, such as rape or incest, where it might be necessary.

I don't feel like getting into this specific fight at this moment, although I have in the past.
I'm going to save your comment and spring it on you later. It will be a glorious battle, I promise. :)
Right now I feel like listening to some Jackson 5ive and watching Forbidden Planet and stuff like that.

I also feel like pointing out that Perez Hilton is a major douchebag. Did anyone mention that he initially posted that Jackson's death was a publicity stunt? ? ?

753 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:20:33am

re: #670 realwest

Uh, y'all got a link to the fact that Gates doesn't want more F-22's?
BTW, was Gates ever in the military (if you know) and if so what branch and when?

Sure Real. Many laying the end of the F 22 production on Obama may not know it was a Gates plan long before the election.

F 22.

He served in both the military and the CIA.

Gates.

754 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:21:08am

re: #747 realwest

Good morning to you! Uh, I asked avanti this at #670
"BTW, was Gates ever in the military (if you know) and if so what branch and when?" and didn't see any answer - do you know?

I'm not sure. He might have been, but I doubt it was for a long time. He is a pencil pusher.

755 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:21:19am

re: #739 Occasional Reader

Important to note that this is NOT Mohammad Khatami (former Prez), folks.

Thanks for the update, yma.

Thanks for that really important clarification.

It is also worthwhile to recall that today's prayers were going to be led by Khamenei again, like alst week - in palce of Rafsanjani, whose turn it was.

Ayatollah Mohammad Khatami is presumably in Qom.

756 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:21:42am

re: #749 quickjustice

That means reducing the U.S. military to a small, "self-defense of our borders" military force.

Well, they may reduce to a small force, but I think the idea of defending the borders bothers most politicians.

757 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:21:43am

re: #719 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

A local used car dealer has been running ads for teh "Obama-Rama Bailout Blowout" featuring an Obama look-a-like, claiming that "I bailed out GM, I bailed out Chrysler, now I'll bail you out!"

Isn't it terrible when used car dealers sink to the level of politicians?

758 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:21:50am

re: #752 iceweasel

I don't feel like getting into this specific fight at this moment, although I have in the past.
I'm going to save your comment and spring it on you later. It will be a glorious battle, I promise. :)
Right now I feel like listening to some Jackson 5ive and watching Forbidden Planet and stuff like that.

I also feel like pointing out that Perez Hilton is a major douchebag. Did anyone mention that he initially posted that Jackson's death was a publicity stunt? ? ?

Well Desoto Hotblack took the year off dead for tax reasons didn't he?

759 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:22:03am

re: #724 realwest

with any damn luck at all the Dentist will do the damn root canal today

Sheesh... you're a tough man if you consider having a root canal to be a "lucky" day!

760 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:22:19am

re: #712 Occasional Reader

My theory is that the Iranian intelligence services and Gov. Sanford teamed up to have Michael Jackson whacked.

Cui bono?

Is that you, Alex Jones?

761 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:22:44am

avanti...answer the question

762 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:22:55am
763 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:22:58am

re: #749 quickjustice

On the defense budget, keep one other thing in mind: Obama cannot find the money for his spending plans without deep cuts to the military. That means reducing the U.S. military to a small, "self-defense of our borders" military force. That's a huge change in our priorities as a nation.

Since we were protecting Europe & Canada with our military while they were spending the money on health care, should we look to Mexico to start protecting us now?

764 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:23:08am

re: #757 Kosh's Shadow

Isn't it terrible when used car dealers sink to the level of politicians?

Nice!

765 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:23:42am

re: #758 JohnnyReb

Well Desoto Hotblack took the year off dead for tax reasons didn't he?

I can't understand any words in this sentence apart from 'took the year off' and 'tax reasons' and 'didn't he'. :(

766 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:23:46am

re: #727 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk - well so far he hasn't found mention of the word nuclear, so I think it's safe to say that hydroelectric is off the table as well, cause, ya know, you build more dams and you endanger more wildlife.
Better to let the poor and elderly without suffficient heat in winter or A/C in summer.

767 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:23:48am
768 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:24:13am

Ya know, I've seen pictures of Henry Waxman.

You'd think, given that gentleman's nose and the cute way it turns up that I'd be all for him. I mean, he bears such a resemblance to the Arkansas state animal and my own avatar.

But somehow he leaves me cold. Or intents to leave me cold in the wintertime and hot in the summertime, that is.

769 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:24:28am

Here is the story of the doctor who tried to help Neda:
Doctor who tended Neda Soltan breaks his silence

He was very lucky to get out of Iran on Wednesday, he is back in Britain now.

770 whiterasta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:24:49am

re: #752 iceweasel

Perez Hilton is a spiteful, nasty man-bitch.

771 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:25:02am

re: #734 BlueCanuck

Goose?

/runs for cover...

*wheee*

Oh. Not *that* kind of goose. Meanie.

772 J.S.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:25:12am

re: #752 iceweasel

Who the hell is "Perez Hilton"? Never heard of him...

///

773 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:25:16am

re: #616 Desert Dog

As much as many have painted her as a lightweight and even stupid, I highly doubt she would have run the country worse than Obama has. I cannot see her (or McCain, even), running up the spending like Obama has. Of the 4 people on the ticket, she was by far the most conservative and I would assume is appalled by the current course of the government.

Also, the current dismal economic climate works to Obama's advantage - it increases people's desire for government assistance, from tuition grants to unemployment packages to nationalized health care. And as long as economic activity is in the toilet, programs like cap-and-trade won't have any immediate impact, as production is at a low ebb and not much energy is being used for manufacturing.

It's in the current Administration's best interest to keep the economy in the tank for the next year to year and a half. They have to assist it's recovery prior to the next election cycle, but right now it's better for them to keep a boot on the economy's neck.

A capitalist-oriented Republican, on the other hand, would be motivated to simply fix the damn economy and let everything else take care of itself.

774 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:25:23am

re: #699 realwest

Well that WAS from the Arab News so don't get too upset about it.
It may be closer to the truth than whatever our MSM may ever say about it, but if so it's only by accident.

Hey real, Haaretz news reported it originally. Good mornin by-the-way, hit enter before finishing awhile back but it wasn't all that impotent - yet. :)

775 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:25:39am

re: #732 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Enviromentalists no likey hydroelectric - it dams up rivers & makes life bad for fish.

And they don't like wind farms because they can hurt birds and ruin the view, and solar power is very expensive and only practical where there is a lot of land and sun - and they'll probably find some endangered insect that prevents building various solar power plants anyway.

Someone needs to tell Waxman
"You canna change the laws of physics!"

The one non-carbon-emitting energy source that is capable of meeting our needs is nuclear.

776 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:25:48am

re: #753 avanti

Sure Real. Many laying the end of the F 22 production on Obama may not know it was a Gates plan long before the election.

For yet another kewpie doll: What did the famous sign that sat on Harry Truman's desk in the Oval Office say?

777 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:25:52am

re: #762 buzzsawmonkey

a) Whether or not Palin is a creationist, there is no indication that she favors inserting creationist dogma being inserted in science instruction, which makes this a moot point.

b) I don't know what your definition of "a fundamental Christian" is, but I'd be interested in learning what about this disqualifies her from anything, other than your own bigotry.

c) I don't know how you have established that Palin is "not intellectually curious," but I'd be interested to learn. Then I would like to know how this standard of yours disqualifies her from anything. I would also like to know how you have established that someone like Obama is "intellectually curious," insofar as there is little evidence of this, and much evidence that he makes decisions according to pre-existing dogma templates.

d) What is your definition of "highly educated?" Palin has a bachelor's degree. Where in the Constitution or in any party platform is it written that a graduate degree is a necessary qualification for anything? BTW, do you have a bachelor's degree? A higher degree?

e) When did "pro-life" become an automatic disqualifier for higher office? Why is this not a legitimate position in your view? Why does it affect Palin's qualifications, given that she has not indicated that she would use power to impose her beliefs on others (see "a" above), and does not, in any event, have the power to outlaw abortions?

Avanti flounce off in 5,4,3,2...

778 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:26:14am

re: #745 legalpad

Apparently, a prime motive for many elitist-minded politicians.

It is ironic that many Dems slam Sarah Palin for supposed lack of intellect when they have Pelosi, Maxine Waters & Sheila Jackson Lee.
When discussing photos to be taken of the surface of Mars, Ms. Jackson Lee asked, "Will we be able to see the American flag."

779 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:27:35am

re: #778 opnion

It is ironic that many Dems slam Sarah Palin for supposed lack of intellect when they have Pelosi, Maxine Waters & Sheila Jackson Lee.
When discussing photos to be taken of the surface of Mars, Ms. Jackson Lee asked, "Will we be able to see the American flag."

Were we?
/

780 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:27:39am

re: #730 JohnnyReb

OK I will bite, how the heck do you know she is not intellectually curious? That is pretty far out there even for you.

She's not well read and from her interviews needs to get up to speed on issues out of the state. She could have mentioned the books she's read, or the newspapers, but I suspect she was happy with her outdoor life as it was, and that's fine with me.
BTW guys and gals, I am not against Palin running for POTUS, I just feel there are better choices for the GOP.

781 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:27:40am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

For yet another kewpie doll: What did the famous sign that sat on Harry Truman's desk in the Oval Office say?

"Your bucks pause momentarily here, before I pass them along to favored political groups"

We must stay current with the times, you know.

782 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:04am

avanti...answer the question

783 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:11am

re: #770 whiterasta

Perez Hilton is a spiteful, nasty man-bitch.

Perez Hilton is about as useful a person as a colander would be for a sinking rowboat. He has the insight of a rotting turnip.

784 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:13am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

For yet another kewpie doll: What did the famous sign that sat on Harry Truman's desk in the Oval Office say?

Present?

785 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:15am

re: #763 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Since we were protecting Europe & Canada with our military while they were spending the money on health care, should we look to Mexico to start protecting us now?

Why not? They already have a huge deployment of manpower in the US, especially in urban areas.

786 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:16am

re: #749 quickjustice

On the defense budget, keep one other thing in mind: Obama cannot find the money for his spending plans without deep cuts to the military. That means reducing the U.S. military to a small, "self-defense of our borders" military force. That's a huge change in our priorities as a nation.

At least he won't have the troops that Samantha Power would want to send to Israel to prevent the Israelis from defending themselves.

787 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:36am

re: #770 whiterasta

Perez Hilton is a spiteful, nasty man-bitch.

Don't hold back - tell us how you really feel.

788 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:39am

re: #714 avanti

Not to be rude because I like Palin as a person, but she not a role model for me, she's many things I have no desire to be.
She appeals to the right for the same reasons she does not appeal to the me and many on the left. She's a fundamental Christian creationist, she's not intellectually curious, she is not highly educated and she's pro life. Those traits are just fine for her, and I respect those that look for those traits in a leader even if I do not.

How highly educated must one be to be an elected official? She has a B.A. in journalism. Not everyone has a J.D. from an ivy league college.

I could go on and really rip you a new one but I'm not gonna' waste the freakin' energy, you fucking elitist.

789 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:40am

re: #710 KansasMom

Yes. And I don't care much about what else they cover...just don't want to hear any more about MJ.

Watch or listen to C-SPAN. I heard nothing about MJ on it this morning.

790 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:28:42am

re: #778 opnion

It is ironic that many Dems slam Sarah Palin for supposed lack of intellect when they have Pelosi, Maxine Waters & Sheila Jackson Lee.
When discussing photos to be taken of the surface of Mars, Ms. Jackson Lee asked, "Will we be able to see the American flag."

The stupid stuff that comes out of the mouth of leftists, dwarfs everything Palin ever said. What amounts to simple insults is pretty much the epitome of most leftist's debating skills.

791 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:29:07am

re: #780 avanti

She's not well read and from her interviews needs to get up to speed on issues out of the state. She could have mentioned the books she's read, or the newspapers, but I suspect she was happy with her outdoor life as it was, and that's fine with me.
BTW guys and gals, I am not against Palin running for POTUS, I just feel there are better choices for the GOP.

It should once again be mentioned that many libs and progressives are hoping and praying that the GOP nominates her.

792 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:29:21am

re: #775 Kosh's Shadow

The one non-carbon-emitting energy source that is capable of meeting our needs is nuclear.

One downside: We would also have to rely on imports of uranium.

The upside to the downside: We'll be dependent on exports from violently radically fundmentalist... Canada, and Australia.

793 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:29:25am

re: #761 albusteve

avanti...answer the question

I need to know what question you are referring too. So many righties, so little time. :)

794 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:29:51am

re: #751 rightside

I would hope she's not a role model for you, she's a woman.

Now if my daughter would like to be like Sarah Palin, I would have no problem with that.

Is it okay for a woman to have a male role model? If so, why is it not okay for a man to have a female role model?

795 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:30:25am

re: #749 quickjustice

On the defense budget, keep one other thing in mind: Obama cannot find the money for his spending plans without deep cuts to the military. That means reducing the U.S. military to a small, "self-defense of our borders" military force. That's a huge change in our priorities as a nation.


Yeah, but remember Obama is gonna make the World love the US again - and the Europeans and others are gonna be just THRILLED to find out that they now have to squeeze money out of their socilalist systems to pay for their own defense cause the USA won't be able to do it for 'em!

796 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:30:30am

re: #714 avanti

Huh? So being a Christian is disqualifying from service in public office? And if she's a creationist who has no desire to impose her personal beliefs on public school science courses?

"Not intellectually curious"? Isn't that code for "dumb"? Maybe you and she have different interests (she can shoot, filed dress, and cook a moose, for example), but does that different skill set translate to "dumb"?

"Pro life"? As opposed to "pro-death"? (No, you'll say, it's "choice".) She chooses to have a handicapped baby instead of destroying it, and that's disqualifying? What moral planet do you live on?

797 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:30:32am

re: #793 avanti

I need to know what question you are referring too. So many righties, so little time. :)

I resent that. I'm a "far rightie".

798 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:30:33am

re: #729 Lincolntf

Speaking of chicks in Government, check out this story about one female member of Congress. Real classy, Maxine.

Member of NOW?

Obey is not known for suffering fools gladly.

799 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:30:41am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

For yet another kewpie doll: What did the famous sign that sat on Harry Truman's desk in the Oval Office say?

Wasn't it "The Buck Stops Here"?

800 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:30:51am

re: #793 avanti

I need to know what question you are referring too. So many righties, so little time. :)

I don't always agree with you, Avanti, but I do appreciate your refusal to "whine".

801 whiterasta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:31:01am

re: #787 SixDegrees

Well, I was never a fan of the Black Eyed Peas, until one of them bitch-slapped Perez Hilton...

802 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:31:07am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

For yet another kewpie doll: What did the famous sign that sat on Harry Truman's desk in the Oval Office say?

Doubt that the current occupant of the WH knows, because it probably went out with the Churchill bust...

803 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:31:18am

re: #666 opnion

The resentment against Palin is just way over the top.
It seems like many feminists oppose her, because she does not fit the template of being a liberal Democrat.
Crticising her "lack of experience" loses credibility when the same can be said for Obama.

i know a few hard core man hating feminists who despise sarah.
she has shattered their whole world view and belief system that they are victims of everything. she has proven that you can be a beautiful woman, have yourself a hunky good looking man who is not threatened by your intelligence, 5 kids, (one at the age of 44), a kick ass career as gov. of a state w/ an 80% approval rating and and all this w/ a smile on her face.
this picture of a happy successful wife, mother and career woman is too much for the feminists.
if she was a lib tho, they would be able to embrace. tho the jealously would be there.

804 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:31:22am

re: #758 JohnnyReb

Well Desoto Hotblack took the year off dead for tax reasons didn't he?

Let's not go there. It is a Disaster Area.
Meanwhile, Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun

805 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:31:28am

re: #775 Kosh's Shadow

And they don't like wind farms because they can hurt birds and ruin the view, and solar power is very expensive and only practical where there is a lot of land and sun - and they'll probably find some endangered insect that prevents building various solar power plants anyway.

Someone needs to tell Waxman
"You canna change the laws of physics!"

The one non-carbon-emitting energy source that is capable of meeting our needs is nuclear.

They're already whining about solar power. It shades the ground (it captures the sunlight, after all; that's the whole point) and by doing that it disrupts the environment. And given the vast areas required to generate reasonable amounts of electricity using solar power, that's a whole lotta disruption. According to the envirowhacks.

Skip all the time and trouble - let's start building nuke plants from coast to coast.

806 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:31:28am

re: #748 Occasional Reader

And in even more monumentous news: I bought the new iPhone. (But I don't have it yet... another week or so.)

Do I need to take your old one off your hands? :D

Morning, folks. Might be I'll actually get to breathe today; things might be settling down after the last fortnight of insanity at work.

807 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:31:43am

re: #798 Creeping Eruption

Obey is not known for suffering fools gladly.

Then he must be one miserable fellow, being there in Congress and all.

808 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:31:50am

More in regard to that Friday Prayer speech by hardliner Khatami (not the former president!):

'In hardliner worldview today's speech apparently makes it halal (religiously permitted) to spill blood of #iranelection protesters'
(LaraABC)

Which of course raises the question - if spilling blood is halal for the one side, then it must be so for the dissenters, no?

Mousavi, btw, is allegedly under house arrest ...

809 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:32:32am

re: #794 MandyManners

Is it okay for a woman to have a male role model? If so, why is it not okay for a man to have a female role model?

Why would anyone think that men can't have female role models, and that women can't have male role models?
I don't think you believe that! but some people probably do and it strikes me as weird.

I think a lot of men have their mothers as role models, for one thing, and a lot of women have men for role models. I have a few role models of each gender.

810 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:32:44am

re: #775 Kosh's Shadow

And they don't like wind farms because they can hurt birds and ruin the view, and solar power is very expensive and only practical where there is a lot of land and sun - and they'll probably find some endangered insect that prevents building various solar power plants anyway.

Someone needs to tell Waxman
"You canna change the laws of physics!"

The one non-carbon-emitting energy source that is capable of meeting our needs is nuclear.

I've mentioned it here, over and over. I worked for the National Renewable Energy Lab in Golden for 13 years, a DOE lab.

There was amazing science going on there, and has been for 30 years. Probably the most cutting edge science of renewable energy research in the country, private or public.

But, here's the bottom line, none of it (and we are not including nuclear) pays for itself yet.

So, if any politician or anyone tells you this will be good for the economy of the country, they are plain and simply lying.

It will cost you money, it will cost the country money, it will be passed on to the taxpayer, and someone OTHER THAN YOU, will benefit from the largess.

That's it. And no amount of tap dancing, thousand page bills, feel good rhetoric or fear mongering about our future will change those simple facts.

It's a con.

811 Ateam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:32:45am

re: #697 Nevergiveup

OK

Never give up about a root carnal drilling to the course of saving humankind from suffering.

Help the bears to feed!

812 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:32:56am

re: #748 Occasional Reader

And in even more monumentous news: I bought the new iPhone. (But I don't have it yet... another week or so.)

You are going to love it.

813 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:33:12am

Iranian diplomats disinvited from Canada Day ceremonies

The Harper government has disinvited Iranian diplomats from attending Canada Day ceremonies in Ottawa to express its displeasure with the Iranian government's bloody crackdown against opposition supporters.

The move follows a similar one by the U.S. for its July 4th celebrations.

Reporting from Ottawa, CTV's Graham Richardson said the government is "trying to send a signal in a very strong way they are not pleased with what's going on in Iran" following disputed presidential elections.

Richardson said a senior government source told him that part of Canada Day "is celebrating Canadian liberties," and that the government "doesn't see a role for Iran to play on that day given what happened in Iran over the last few weeks."

814 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:33:14am
815 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:33:28am

I have to adjust the sprinklers.

BBL.

Don't solve all the world's problems before I get back. I hate it when I'm left behind.

816 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:33:42am

re: #783 MrSilverDragon

Perez Hilton is about as useful a person as a colander would be for a sinking rowboat. He has the insight of a rotting turnip.


With apologies to Dr. Seuss:

You're a mean one, Mr. Hilton
You really are a heel.
You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Mr. Hilton.


You're a bad banana
With a greasy black peel.


You're a monster, Mr. Hilton
Your heart's an empty hole.
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul.
Mr. Hilton.


I wouldn't touch you, with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.


You're a vile one, Mr. Hilton.
You have termites in your smile.
You have all the tender sweetness
Of a seasick crocodile.
Mr. Hilton.


Given the choice between the two of you
I'd take the seasick crocodile.


You're a foul one, Mr. Hilton.
You're a nasty, wasty skunk.
Your heart is full of unwashed socks
Your soul is full of gunk.
Mr. Hilton.


The three words that best describe you,
are, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."


You're a rotter, Mr. Hilton.
You're the king of sinful sots.
Your heart's a dead tomato splot
With moldy purple spots,
Mr. Hilton.


Your soul is an apalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable,
Mangled up in tangled up knots.


You nauseate me, Mr. Hilton.
With a nauseaus super-naus.
You're a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked horse.
Mr. Hilton.


You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool
sandwich
With arsenic sauce.

817 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:33:58am

re: #799 BlueCanuck

Wasn't it "The Buck Stops Here"?

You win avanti's kewpie doll! Sorry, avanti.

818 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:01am

re: #794 MandyManners

That's their choice, just not mine.

People are free to choose anyone as a role model.

819 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:08am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

For yet another kewpie doll: What did the famous sign that sat on Harry Truman's desk in the Oval Office say?

The buck stops here.

820 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:10am

re: #788 MandyManners

Exactly what I was saying about the NOW-types. Empty-headed elitists who declare people who disagree with them "un-read" and posit that they'd be "happier outdoors" like some fucking dog.
Of course, these "hillbillies" are the same "little guys" the Dems claim to be looking out for.
One good thing about all the attacks on Palin is that they have brought to light the true character of her detractors.

821 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:11am

re: #812 reine.de.tout

You are going to love it.

Seriously, I'll be glad to recycle your old phone...

*drool*

822 jvic  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:13am

re: #709 buzzsawmonkey

With new Liquid Krell, monsters from the id drift luxuriously, like this pearl.

Monsters from the id...there seem to be more of them these days...

Another quote from the movie:

We're all part monsters in our subconscious, so we have laws and religion.

Ouch. That statement can be taken two ways, i.e. the monsters can get control of laws and religion. Didn't old Screwtape chuckle about how easy it is? That's a primary reason to limit the power of government.

823 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:14am

re: #788 MandyManners

How highly educated must one be to be an elected official? She has a B.A. in journalism. Not everyone has a J.D. from an ivy league college.

I could go on and really rip you a new one but I'm not gonna' waste the freakin' energy, you fucking elitist.

I'm not a elitist, fucking or otherwise but I have detected a anti intellectual bias by some on the right.

824 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:16am

re: #793 avanti

I need to know what question you are referring too. So many righties, so little time. :)

you are as phony as a $3 bill

825 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:17am

re: #807 razorbacker

Then he must be one miserable fellow, being there in Congress and all.

Maybe he should consider hopping over to the GOP.

826 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:18am

re: #811 Ateam

Never give up about a root carnal drilling to the course of saving humankind from suffering.

Help the bears to feed!

Carnal drilling? Is that legal for a dentist?

827 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:36am

re: #805 SixDegrees

For the hard-core environmentalist nutjobs, anything and everything damages the environment.

They will only be happy if the whole human race were to curl up and die right now!

828 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:34:36am

re: #804 Kosh's Shadow

Let's not go there. It is a Disaster Area.
Meanwhile, Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun

Upding for the Pink Floyd reference.

829 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:35:02am

re: #801 whiterasta

Well, I was never a fan of the Black Eyed Peas, until one of them bitch-slapped Perez Hilton...

Heh.

Did he scream like a woman when it happened?

Oh, wait - that was misogynist of me. My bad.

Did he scream like a frightened man-bitch when it happened?

830 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:35:09am

re: #799 BlueCanuck

Wasn't it "The Buck Stops Here"?

GWB kept that sign on his desk. Interestingly enough, Obama still has it on the desk with his own sign next to it.
"What he said".

/ok I made that up

831 snowcrash  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:35:10am

re: #805 SixDegrees
Just think of all the jobs saved or created from that jobs program!

832 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:35:14am

re: #791 iceweasel

It should once again be mentioned that many libs and progressives are hoping and praying that the GOP nominates her.

Because their smear campaign has been effective. It doesn't matter who gets nominated by the Republicans the next election cycle, they will get the full bore Borkquaylebushpalin treatment. It works well for the ever tolerent and kind spirited Dems.

833 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:35:19am

re: #809 iceweasel

Why would anyone think that men can't have female role models, and that women can't have male role models?
I don't think you believe that! but some people probably do and it strikes me as weird.

I think a lot of men have their mothers as role models, for one thing, and a lot of women have men for role models. I have a few role models of each gender.

You might want to re-read the post to which I was replying.

834 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:35:28am

re: #825 MandyManners

Maybe he should consider hopping over to the GOP.

You're a funny girl, you are.

Tell us another one.

835 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:01am

re: #806 vxbush

Do I need to take your old one off your hands? :D
blockquote>

Considering that Apple is selling the 2nd gen iPhone now for 99 bucks, the market value of my humble 1st gen iPhone is probably shockingly low. I'll probably just jailbreak it, then use it as my phone for overseas travel with locally-purchased prepaid SIM cards.

836 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:07am

re: #833 MandyManners

You might want to re-read the post to which I was replying.

Oh I did, and I updinged you. I'm asking the question generally, not of you specifically. :)

837 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:32am

re: #835 Occasional Reader

Oh. Okay.

*sniff*

838 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:37am

re: #823 avanti

I'm not a elitist, fucking or otherwise but I have detected a anti intellectual bias by some on the right.

And lefties are never anti-intellectual right?

839 whiterasta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:38am

re: #829 SixDegrees

He cried like a man-bitch, yes and played the victim card of course. Fucker.

840 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:42am

re: #753 avanti

Hmmm. Gates did a year as a 2d lieutenant in the Air Force as an intelligence officer in 1967 at an Air Force Base here in the U.S. His biography says he joined the CIA in 1966, and worked there for more than two decades. Interesting overlap.

No combat experience, but lots of intelligence experience.

841 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:47am

Here is what a leader is supposed to say about Iran...

Rudd damns Iran 'travesty of democracy'

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has damned as a "travesty of democracy" Tehran's violence against its citizens protesting the outcome of the presidential election.

...Mr Rudd expressed Australia's concern at "the brutality, the repression and the violence against peaceful protesters".

"Voters and ordinary citizens are so concerned by the election results they risk their lives to speak up for their vote," he told parliament.

"They are peaceful protesters facing violent reprisals and growing arrests.

"People are shouting their protest from the rooftops in the dark because they are so afraid what would happen to them were they to say so during the daylight.

"There is an increased media blackout making it harder for the world to see the true extent of what is going on in Iran today."

...Mr Rudd cast doubt on the integrity of a review of the election ordered by Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

"Frankly, we do not hold much hope," he said.

"The Iranian authorities have pre-empted the review ... this is genuinely a disgrace."

Australia has called on Tehran to halt the violence against protesters, and ensure all Iranians have the right to peaceful demonstration and the free expression of their political views.

The government has raised its concerns with Tehran.

"(We) will continue to do so in partnership with our friends and allies around the world," Mr Rudd said.

"I believe I speak on behalf of all members in this place when we condemn the repression of human rights in Iran and this appalling travesty of democracy unfolding before our eyes."

842 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:49am

re: #810 Walter L. Newton

I've mentioned it here, over and over. I worked for the National Renewable Energy Lab in Golden for 13 years, a DOE lab.

There was amazing science going on there, and has been for 30 years. Probably the most cutting edge science of renewable energy research in the country, private or public.

But, here's the bottom line, none of it (and we are not including nuclear) pays for itself yet.

So, if any politician or anyone tells you this will be good for the economy of the country, they are plain and simply lying.

It will cost you money, it will cost the country money, it will be passed on to the taxpayer, and someone OTHER THAN YOU, will benefit from the largess.

That's it. And no amount of tap dancing, thousand page bills, feel good rhetoric or fear mongering about our future will change those simple facts.

It's a con.

Of course it's a con! However, the Gramscian Whores have paved the way for it for about 30 years.

843 J.S.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:56am

re: #808 yma o hyd


CNN also played a clip in which Khatami claims that the protesters killed Nada...

844 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:58am

re: #797 Nevergiveup

I resent that. I'm a "far rightie".

That's OK, I'm a Commie elitist.

845 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:36:59am

Developing in NYC:
Explosion of some kind at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital. Injuries are reported. 22nd floor.

846 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:37:01am

re: #832 DaddyG

Because their smear campaign has been effective. It doesn't matter who gets nominated by the Republicans the next election cycle, they will get the full bore Borkquaylebushpalin treatment. It works well for the ever tolerent and kind spirited Dems.

Uh...ok. If you say so.

847 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:37:17am

re: #839 whiterasta

He cried like a man-bitch, yes and played the victim card of course. Fucker.

[laughing] . . and exactly how does a "man-bitch" cry?

848 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:37:41am

re: #797 Nevergiveup

I resent that. I'm a "far rightie".

Let them have fun demonizing you. It is a core competency of the left.

849 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:37:49am

re: #775 Kosh's Shadow

And they don't like wind farms because they can hurt birds and ruin the view, and solar power is very expensive and only practical where there is a lot of land and sun - and they'll probably find some endangered insect that prevents building various solar power plants anyway.

Someone needs to tell Waxman
"You canna change the laws of physics!"

The one non-carbon-emitting energy source that is capable of meeting our needs is nuclear.


Oh, don't worry, we'll get all our the clean, cheap power we need from RENEWABLE [mumble mumble].

850 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:37:57am

re: #753 avanti
That's really interesting avanti! Your link says Gates joined the CIA in 1966 and served as a career employee of the agency until becoming it's director.
But it also has this curious note: "In 1967 he was commissioned a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force and served for a year as an intelligence officer at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri."Wonder how he did that? I mean, get a commission in the Air Force at the height of the Vietnam War, serve only one year and yet still remained an employee of the CIA?I'd submit to you that he has an excellent background as a CIA or "Intelligence" type guy, and NONE WHATSOEVER in the Military.
Hell the damn CIA recruited ME in 1968 to join 'em,promising me a deferrment from ever having to serve in Vietnam.

851 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:38:03am

re: #817 Occasional Reader

You win avanti's kewpie doll! Sorry, avanti.

Just keep your hands off my Unicorn buddy.

852 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:38:03am

re: #823 avanti

I'm not a elitist, fucking or otherwise but I have detected a anti intellectual bias by some on the right.

I don't see an "anti-intellectual" bias on the right.
What I do see on the "right", that I don't see on the "left", is an appreciation for regular folks and their abilities.

Many "lefties" seem to think the redneck hillbillies need to be "taken care of" by the government in some way because they are unable to take care of themselves. Same as they believed (and many still believe) of black folks.

853 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:38:17am

re: #818 rightside

That's their choice, just not mine.

People are free to choose anyone as a role model.

Is was the way you questioned Palin being a role model for a man that got my hackles up a bit. I apologize if that was not the way you meant it. My hackles are prone to rising today.

854 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:38:44am

re: #840 quickjustice

Hmmm. Gates did a year as a 2d lieutenant in the Air Force as an intelligence officer in 1967 at an Air Force Base here in the U.S. His biography says he joined the CIA in 1966, and worked there for more than two decades. Interesting overlap.

No combat experience, but lots of intelligence experience.

Yup he helped build the intelligence community into the power house it was on 9/11. Good job. Well done.

855 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:38:44am

re: #827 yma o hyd

For the hard-core environmentalist nutjobs, anything and everything damages the environment.

They will only be happy if the whole human race were to curl up and die right now!

How short sighted. Who would cater their luaus? /

856 whiterasta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:38:53am

re: #847 Creeping Eruption

You can probably google a clip of him. It was quite funny, in a horrible kind of way.

857 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:39:08am

re: #843 J.S.

CNN also played a clip in which Khatami claims that the protesters killed Nada...

Again, NOT Mohammad Khatami... right?

858 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:39:24am

re: #843 J.S.

CNN also played a clip in which Khatami claims that the protesters killed Nada...

Gah!

And yesterday, some government agency said it was actually done by Jon Leye, the BBC reporter who has been chucked out of Iran.
They said he made someone do it for him, for his reports ...

859 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:39:25am

re: #853 MandyManners

No, not in the least. I should have been more clear.

860 SurferDoc  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:40:04am

re: #810 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for that, Walter. The desert has both wind and solar plants and I've read recently that they cost three to four times as much for the electricity they produce. I read the technology is at least two decades away from the kind of efficiency it would take to provide cheap electricity.

861 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:40:23am

re: #820 Lincolntf

Exactly what I was saying about the NOW-types. Empty-headed elitists who declare people who disagree with them "un-read" and posit that they'd be "happier outdoors" like some fucking dog.
Of course, these "hillbillies" are the same "little guys" the Dems claim to be looking out for.
One good thing about all the attacks on Palin is that they have brought to light the true character of her detractors.

Spot on! The Democrats are all for the commoners until they get too close or too noticeable.

862 KenJen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:40:59am

re: #841 NJDhockeyfan

Does this qualify as meddling?

/

863 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:41:03am

re: #809 iceweasel

Why would anyone think that men can't have female role models, and that women can't have male role models?
I don't think you believe that! but some people probably do and it strikes me as weird.

I think a lot of men have their mothers as role models, for one thing, and a lot of women have men for role models. I have a few role models of each gender.

Well if that's your attitude, iceweasel, then your days as a liberal are numbered. Don't you know that only women can "represent" women... only black people can represent black people... etc. etc. etc.?

/

864 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:41:10am

re: #810 Walter L. Newton

Yes. Solar, wind, etc. are all fairly diffuse; they need a lot of area to capture much energy. There are advances that can help, but nothing can get around that.
Although, within the past month, a solar plant was announced that can pay for itself; it also captures the thermal energy to make more electricity.
It was developed in Israel.

865 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:41:16am

re: #823 avanti

I'm not a elitist, fucking or otherwise but I have detected a anti intellectual bias by some on the right.

Well, now you've done it. Expect both a blitz of attacks insisting that there is no such thing as an anti-intellectual bias on the right and you're an elitist for presuming so---, and also a blitz in defense of anti-intellectualism, insisting that your bias against those with an anti-intellectual bias proves you're some kind of elitist.
Elitist.

866 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:41:20am

Good morning Lizardia. It was an awesome party last night! I kept all of you in mind as virtual guests.

867 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:41:33am

re: #842 MandyManners

Of course it's a con! However, the Gramscian Whores have paved the way for it for about 30 years.

The interesting thing is, in those 13 years I worked at the National Renewable Energy lab, I never heard one director, scientist, project manager or anyone ever suggest that any of their research had brought them to a sustainable economically sound renewable source of energy.

All the hype comes from lying politicians and private industry who will benefit from all the money that will be handed out.

This sort of bill that will force the country to use and pay for something that is not viable yet, will simply SLOW DOWN future research. When someone is making a lot of money, it certainly tends to make them lazy, why waste money on future research.

868 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:41:33am

re: #823 avanti

I'm not a elitist, fucking or otherwise but I have detected a anti intellectual bias by some on the right.

I detect it all over the Left, especially when it comes to national security, war, "climate change" and the like.

869 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:41:52am

Iranian Cleric: some protesters worthy of execution.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Iranian authorities have barred journalists for international news organizations from reporting on the streets and ordered them to stay in their offices. This report is based on the accounts of witnesses reached in Iran and official statements carried on Iranian media.

———

Iran's increasingly isolated opposition leader effectively ended his role in street protests, saying he'll seek permits for future rallies. A leading cleric demanded in a nationally broadcast sermon Friday that leaders of the unrest be punished harshly and said some are "worthy of execution."

What say you now, Mr. President?

870 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:41:57am

re: #805 SixDegrees

The Greens don't like that humanity consumes energy. The only conclusion you can logically draw from their anti-energy agenda is that they advocate for mass suicides, because the planet can't sustain current population levels without our producing more energy for current and future populations.

I don't mind if the greens commit mass suicide, as long as they don't impose that fate on the rest of us. Forced suicide seems to be the direction Waxman is going in.

871 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:42:16am

Oh, UNCLE.

872 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:42:28am

re: #796 quickjustice

Huh? So being a Christian is disqualifying from service in public office? And if she's a creationist who has no desire to impose her personal beliefs on public school science courses?

"Not intellectually curious"? Isn't that code for "dumb"? Maybe you and she have different interests (she can shoot, filed dress, and cook a moose, for example), but does that different skill set translate to "dumb"?

"Pro life"? As opposed to "pro-death"? (No, you'll say, it's "choice".) She chooses to have a handicapped baby instead of destroying it, and that's disqualifying? What moral planet do you live on?

Quick, none of those thing disqualify her, far from it. Those very things make her popular on the right, but it does not follow that those things will appeal for those outside the base.
I was replying to the suggestion that the left resents her because we could be like her, and that it not the case IMHO.

873 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:42:54am

re: #794 MandyManners

Is it okay for a woman to have a male role model? If so, why is it not okay for a man to have a female role model?

It's okay.

874 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:43:36am

re: #864 Kosh's Shadow

Although, within the past month, a solar plant was announced that can pay for itself... It was developed in Israel.

END THE ZIONIST OCCUPATION OF PHOTONS!

875 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:43:39am

re: #851 avanti

Just keep your hands off my Unicorn buddy.

Too late. *urp*

/BBQ anyone?

876 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:44:03am

re: #826 Creeping Eruption

Carnal drilling? Is that legal for a dentist?

See the movies "The Hot Hands of an Oslo Dentist" and "The Huge Molars of Oscar Nordfink"
(a moose once bit my sister...)

877 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:44:05am

Foreign Firms Trading With Iran Face Limits

WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers are seeking to crack down on foreign companies that provide spy technology to Iran with a bipartisan bill that would bar firms that provide sensitive technologies to Iran from doing business with the U.S. government.

The legislation responds to a Wall Street Journal article this week that Iran had built an extensive monitoring system, including equipment provided by a joint venture of Finnish cellphone maker Nokia Corp. and German conglomerate Siemens AG.

..."It is utterly outrageous that Western companies sell equipment that allows them [the Iranian government] to spy on their citizens, prevent communications between citizens and thwart any type of uprising against the regime," Sen. Schumer said in a joint interview with Sen. Graham.

The bill would require the Obama administration to identify foreign companies that have contracts with the U.S. government and also export sensitive technology to Iran. Those companies would have to terminate their business with Iran before renewing existing U.S. contracts or applying for new ones.

The president could waive the requirement, but would be required to report to Congress on why the waiver was in the national interest.

"One of their biggest weapons [against the protesters] is technology," Sen. Graham said in the interview. He called the measure "effective action, rather than words alone" that "will put pressure on Western companies who are empowering the regime to oppress their own citizens."

Sen. Graham predicted it would become law, saying it would be hard, politically, for his colleagues to vote against the bill.

Nice.

878 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:44:36am

re: #869 rightside

Iranian Cleric: some protesters worthy of execution.


What say you now, Mr. President?

"This just goes to further demonstrate the vigorous debate underway in Iranian society. Party on, dudes!"

879 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:44:51am

re: #830 SasquatchOnSteroids

GWB kept that sign on his desk. Interestingly enough, Obama still has it on the desk with his own sign next to it.
"What he said".

/ok I made that up

He put the sign on the teleprompter.

880 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:45:04am

re: #779 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Were we?
/

Nope, she was confused with the moon, but Palin is the dim bulb. sarc

881 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:45:23am

re: #845 lawhawk

Developing in NYC:
Explosion of some kind at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital. Injuries are reported. 22nd floor.

I checked the news channels...nothing buy wall to wall MJ coverage.

882 J.S.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:45:39am

re: #857 Occasional Reader

That's correct...it was said at Friday prayers by the senior cleric Ayatollah Ahmed Khatami...(Wolf Blitzer's interview with the Iranian ambassador to Mexico revealed similar statements -- ie, that the CIA killed Nada...link..

883 KenJen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:45:41am

re: #860 SurferDoc

Thanks for that, Walter. The desert has both wind and solar plants and I've read recently that they cost three to four times as much for the electricity they produce. I read the technology is at least two decades away from the kind of efficiency it would take to provide cheap electricity.

Obama is going to make coal, oil and natural gas so expensive to produce with all his regulations just to make solar and wind look like the better deal. I'd look into getting a wood burning stove but he will probably ban them.

884 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:45:56am

re: #869 rightside

Iranian Cleric: some protesters worthy of execution.

What say you now, Mr. President?

"Everyone back to my crib for hot dogs & skateboarding!"

885 whiterasta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:46:11am

re: #870 quickjustice

I have long suspected the green movement is a racist organization. The people who would suffer the most from the so-called "green" policies are black/brown people.

886 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:46:13am

re: #838 Nevergiveup

And lefties are never anti-intellectual right?

Honestly, I don't know of many, I do know a few that put way to much stock in it though.

887 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:46:24am

re: #881 NJDhockeyfan

Call into the news and report MJ spotted on 22nd floor of CPH. You'll have plenty of coverage.

888 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:46:27am

re: #868 MandyManners

Liberals speaking about the "anti-intellectual" Right cracks me up.
I'm thinking of the towering geniuses like Al Sharpton, Patrick Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, David Paterson, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, etc. who have assaulted my ears with their stupidity for years.

889 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:46:47am

re: #863 Occasional Reader

Well if that's your attitude, iceweasel, then your days as a liberal are numbered. Don't you know that only women can "represent" women... only black people can represent black people... etc. etc. etc.?

/

heh. Good point. :)

You know what-- at this time when the GOP is now embracing the politics of grievance and PC, --the progressives and the left are actively positioning themselves to take over even more of the moderates, independents, and centrists. I just looked at some of the panels Netroots Nations will convene this August.

The GOP needs to get its act together, and fast. It's not healthy for the country to have only one party in power, and I think the GOP ought to return to real conservatism.

There's a lot of people right now all over the political spectrum who would be very attracted to the idea of a party that was truly fiscally conservative.

890 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:47:13am

re: #875 BlueCanuck

Too late. *urp*

/BBQ anyone?

Oh, no, my little Rainbow, and just a horn left.

891 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:47:21am

re: #860 SurferDoc

Thanks for that, Walter. The desert has both wind and solar plants and I've read recently that they cost three to four times as much for the electricity they produce. I read the technology is at least two decades away from the kind of efficiency it would take to provide cheap electricity.

When we wanted to go to the moon, Kennedy didn't just say "let's try to get there with the technology we currently have..." he put money into new research, and then, when we were ready, we went to the moon.

For 30 years, this country has had the premier research facility for renewable energy, and every year, they had to beg for funding, that's how I got laid off 5 years ago, the government cut funding.

That's proof that these politicians have never been concerned with real research, just very visible, "shovel ready" demonstration projects that will make them look good.

This whole energy bill is one big con that will throw money at bad science, bad research and proven failures.

892 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:47:28am

re: #888 Lincolntf

Liberals speaking about the "anti-intellectual" Right cracks me up.
I'm thinking of the towering geniuses like Al Sharpton, Patrick Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, David Paterson, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, etc. who have assaulted my ears with their stupidity for years.

As we know, that's the short list.

893 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:47:46am

re: #876 Kosh's Shadow

See the movies "The Hot Hands of an Oslo Dentist" and "The Huge Molars of Oscar Nordfink"
(a moose once bit my sister...)

[shaking head] LOL. Here's to you. Next round is on me.

894 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:47:48am

Has George Bush been blamed for MJ's death yet? I haven't been watching the news the past 18 hours.

895 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:47:50am

re: #806 vxbush
Good morning vxbush! Glad to hear things have calmed down some for you at work!

896 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:47:50am

re: #888 Lincolntf

Liberals speaking about the "anti-intellectual" Right cracks me up.
I'm thinking of the towering geniuses like Al Sharpton, Patrick Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, David Paterson, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, etc. who have assaulted my ears with their stupidity for years.

Dumb doesn't know party affiliation.

897 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:48:13am

re: #881 NJDhockeyfan

I checked the news channels...nothing buy wall to wall MJ coverage.

If Lil' Kim were to nuke Seoul, I wonder if that would knock MJ off the air.

898 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:48:31am

re: #882 J.S.

...(Wolf Blitzer's interview with the Iranian ambassador to Mexico revealed similar statements -- ie, that the CIA killed Nada...link..

Wow.

These people make Alex Jones look sane and judicious.

899 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:48:31am

re: #888 Lincolntf

Liberals speaking about the "anti-intellectual" Right cracks me up.
I'm thinking of the towering geniuses like Al Sharpton, Patrick Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, David Paterson, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, etc. who have assaulted my ears with their stupidity for years.

Many of those are idiots, but they'd love to be smarter.

900 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:48:41am

re: #881 NJDhockeyfan

I checked the news channels...nothing buy wall to wall MJ coverage.

Just walk away! Deep breaths... (Yeah, my car radio was facing a shrtened lifespan this morning through no fault of its own.)

901 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:48:45am

re: #794 MandyManners

Is it okay for a woman to have a male role model? If so, why is it not okay for a man to have a female role model?

Yeah. They're a mother and a father.

902 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:49:21am

re: #881 NJDhockeyfan

I checked the news channels...nothing buy wall to wall MJ coverage.

Heh.
And I just checked the NewsBlog on the Guardian website, for their Live Iran Blog - and guess what ... nothing for today at all, but yeah: Michael Jackson tops the lot!

903 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:49:50am

re: #894 NJDhockeyfan

Has George Bush been blamed for MJ's death yet? I haven't been watching the news the past 18 hours.

No, but either him or the Jews will soon. I wonder if any of the ER doctors who worked on him were Jewish.

904 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:49:55am

re: #894 NJDhockeyfan

Has George Bush been blamed for MJ's death yet? I haven't been watching the news the past 18 hours.

Ask and you shall receive.


///satire folks.

905 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:49:56am

re: #888 Lincolntf

Liberals speaking about the "anti-intellectual" Right cracks me up.
I'm thinking of the towering geniuses like Al Sharpton, Patrick Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, David Paterson, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, etc. who have assaulted my ears with their stupidity for years.

You forgot Maxine Waters who wants to socialize the oil companies!

906 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:49:57am

re: #813 NJDhockeyfan
Yea Canada!

907 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:50:12am

re: #897 MandyManners

If Lil' Kim were to nuke Seoul, I wonder if that would knock MJ off the air.

Until Perez Hilton gets (he)bitch slapped by another celebrity.

908 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:50:45am
909 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:50:51am

re: #869 rightside

Iranian Cleric: some protesters worthy of execution.

What say you now, Mr. President?

'Some of the more progressive Mullah's were responsible, I was just sitting at my desk when it happened. Uh, uh... In fact, in my Cairo speechathon...uh, uh...you'll recall I talked about this and that.'

910 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:51:11am

re: #894 NJDhockeyfan

Has George Bush been blamed for MJ's death yet? I haven't been watching the news the past 18 hours.

It's coming. The highly intellectual liberal/left believes that GWB caused a hurricane in New Orleans because he "hates black people".

911 KenJen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:51:19am

re: #897 MandyManners

If Lil' Kim were to nuke Seoul, I wonder if that would knock MJ off the air.

You Are Not Alone in that thought.

912 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:51:20am

re: #889 iceweasel

heh. Good point. :)

You know what-- at this time when the GOP is now embracing the politics of grievance and PC, --the progressives and the left are actively positioning themselves to take over even more of the moderates, independents, and centrists. I just looked at some of the panels Netroots Nations will convene this August.

The GOP needs to get its act together, and fast. It's not healthy for the country to have only one party in power, and I think the GOP ought to return to real conservatism.

There's a lot of people right now all over the political spectrum who would be very attracted to the idea of a party that was truly fiscally conservative.


You and I agree on the need for two strong parties. Unrestrained progressives will push us too far to the left, we need both side for balance.

913 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:51:43am
My question is that how is that this Nada was shot from behind and several cameras take that. And this is done in an area where there was no important demonstration. If the CIA wants to kill some people and attribute that to the elements of the government, and then choosing a girl would be something good for them because it would have much higher impact.

Therefore, we believe and we are looking into this to find who the elements were who did this.

BLITZER: Are you seriously accusing the CIA of killing Neda?

GHADIRI (through translator): We say that the bullet that was found in her head was not a bullet that you could find in Iran.

So, in summary:

1) The CIA wanted to kill Neda in order to blame it on the regime and make them look bad...

2)... and that's why they used a sekrit bullitt only available to the CIA.

Makes sense.

914 J.S.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:52:09am

re: #898 Occasional Reader

Many (if not most?) Iranians aren't fooled -- they just chalk it up as further evidence of the "Uncle Napoleon" syndrome...

915 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:52:10am

re: #869 rightside

Iranian Cleric: some protesters worthy of execution.

What say you now, Mr. President?

/no clues anywhere on the horizon

916 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:52:22am

re: #901 Alouette

Yeah. They're a mother and a father.

That sometimes keeps me up at night. It'd be okay if my feet weren't made of clay.

917 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:52:39am

re: #899 avanti

Many of those are idiots, but they'd love to be smarter.

As opposed to "incurious," which means the opposite?

918 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:52:42am

in contrasting o w/ sarah it remarkable that o who had an incredible education sounds like a blithering imbecile unless he is reading from the prompter.
we have never seen evidence of his grand intellect. no grades, no papers.
and he is unable to show it in casual conversation.
if sarah is a fundamental christian, at least she is a christian. o spent 20 yrs, in an
alleged christian church that preached mostly hate and racism. he also shows an odd and troublesome proclivity to embracing islam, going so far as to state that part of his job as totus is guard against negative stereotypes of islam where ever he finds them. he didn't nuance that bull shit.

also sarah is an unabashed patriot. never apologizing to the enemy abt. our country. she has the common sense instincts to put america first and uphold the constitution. and she is not embarrassed abt. it.

o's delusional ramblings will be impressing fewer and fewer people as reality begins to set in.

919 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:52:44am

re: #889 iceweasel

and I think the GOP ought to return to real conservatism.

Hmm.

From your perspective as a liberal, what is "real conservatism"?

920 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:52:57am

re: #910 FrogMarch

It's coming. The highly intellectual liberal/left believes that GWB caused a hurricane in New Orleans because he "hates black people".

Was George Bush in LA yesterday?

921 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:53:07am

re: #913 Occasional Reader

Whoa, back up there. Wasn't she shot in the chest? How could they find a bullet in her head?

922 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:53:13am

re: #907 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Until Perez Hilton gets (he)bitch slapped by another celebrity.

I try to keep him off my radar. There's only so much outrage for me to spare.

923 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:53:21am

re: #912 avanti

You and I agree on the need for two strong parties. Unrestrained progressives will push us too far to the left, we need both side for balance.

Fat chance of 'unrestrained progressives' being in power anytime soon.

924 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:53:22am

re: #714 avanti

BY your standards, Abraham Lincoln was not qualified to be President of the United States.

925 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:53:26am

re: #838 Nevergiveup

And lefties are never anti-intellectual right?


Of course Lefties are never anti-intellectual! Just read Kos, or Du or Huffpoo's comments and you'll see that!
/

926 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:53:27am

re: #844 avanti

That's OK, I'm a Commie elitist.

You lie.

Otherwise you'd be selling Packards

Packard Super Eight 1104 Coupe Roadster / USA / 1934
The Packard marque of U.S. cars, now defunct, in the 1930s was at the peak of its glory. All over the world anybody who meant anything, from European monarchs to New World bourgeoisie, Latin American dictators or Oriental sheikhs, strived to acquire a car of this particular brand. Thousands of big names were among the company’s clientele, while Packard was often referred to as the “American Rolls-Royce”. Both marques had much in common. First of all, the image: a Packard car stood for “old money”, a fortune made honestly many years ago, and since almost everyone wants to look respectable in the eyes of society, Packard cars were extremely popular with elite. Some of its members even enjoyed driving their cars themselves, and for them Packard manufactured open two-seaters with roadster bodies. Today a roadster stands for a 2-seater lightweight sports car without a permanent top. It has a low, sweeping silhouette. There is a hatch in the rear part of the body that may be transformed into a small and uncomfortable seat, barely adequate to accommodate two persons – the so-called “mother-in-law seat”. Such stylish and foppish cars were intended for empty highways or country roads where one could take long and sedate drives just for the fun of it or to test car controls

Those Studebakers are for the plebes.

927 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:53:47am

re: #905 MandyManners

You forgot Maxine Waters who wants to socialize the oil companies!

Maxine needs to run off to La-La Land with Bachman.

928 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:54:02am
929 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:54:09am

This tweet from StopAhamdi just in:
'Maps of official election results by province vs recorded protests by province [Link: bit.ly...] #iranelection'

Here's the working link:
[Link: blogs.tnr.com...]

Amazing!

930 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:54:17am

re: #911 KenJen

You Are Not Alone in that thought.

You Wanna be Startin' Somethin'?

931 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:54:18am

re: #912 avanti

You and I agree on the need for two strong parties. Unrestrained progressives will push us too far to the left, we need both side for balance.

No we don't. We need a conservative house, a conservative senate and a strong conservative president. And this needs to be repeated in every state and local government.

932 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:54:48am

re: #911 KenJen

You Are Not Alone in that thought.

I posted this morning/last night that I wondered if ShortShit would use this as a chance to really crack down.

933 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:54:55am

re: #917 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

As opposed to "incurious," which means the opposite?

I thought that referred to people who wanted to play for the other team from time to time?

/

934 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:55:23am

re: #919 Occasional Reader

Hmm.

From your perspective as a liberal, what is "real conservatism"?

Crossing my fingers and hoping for social liberal, fiscal conservative.

935 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:55:34am

re: #926 razorbacker

Those Studebakers are for the plebes.

Studebaker actually once produced a "Dictator". Wasn't that in the late '30s or early '40s, Avanti?

936 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:55:35am

re: #921 BlueCanuck

Whoa, back up there. Wasn't she shot in the chest? How could they find a bullet in her head?

Because the Iranian Ambassador to Mexico said so, so it must be true.

937 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:55:51am

Melendez-Diaz v. Massachusetts

FACTS: The Massachusetts courts in this case admitted into evidence affidavits reporting the results of forensic analysis which showed that material seized by the police and connected to the defendant was cocaine.

ISSUE: Whether those affidavits are “testimonial,” rendering the affiants “witnesses” subject to the defendant’s right of confrontation under the Sixth Amendment.

U. S. SUPREME COURT HOLDING: Yes.

PRACTICAL RESULT: Lad techs will now have to testify in Court.

Any DA's out there willing to share their thoughts? Public Defenders?

938 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:56:18am

re: #921 BlueCanuck

Whoa, back up there. Wasn't she shot in the chest? How could they find a bullet in her head?

The Government Security forces in Iran can find anything they want to find ...
Reality doesn't have to come into it.

939 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:56:41am

re: #937 Creeping Eruption

Melendez-Diaz v. Massachusetts

FACTS: The Massachusetts courts in this case admitted into evidence affidavits reporting the results of forensic analysis which showed that material seized by the police and connected to the defendant was cocaine.

ISSUE: Whether those affidavits are “testimonial,” rendering the affiants “witnesses” subject to the defendant’s right of confrontation under the Sixth Amendment.

U. S. SUPREME COURT HOLDING: Yes.

PRACTICAL RESULT: LabLad techs will now have to testify in Court.

Any DA's out there willing to share their thoughts? Public Defenders?

940 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:56:44am

re: #895 realwest

Good morning vxbush! Glad to hear things have calmed down some for you at work!

Yes, but I got extremely pissed off at a technical support rep at a software company I was talking to via email. The guy apparently was not reading my emails, and came back and said, "Oh, just go do this" when I had said in my VERY FIRST EMAIL that I know about that solution and it won't work in my case.

Grrr...

941 KenJen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:56:46am

re: #930 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You Wanna be Startin' Somethin'?

I Can't Help It.

942 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:56:48am

re: #910 FrogMarch

It's coming. The highly intellectual liberal/left believes that GWB caused a hurricane in New Orleans because he "hates black people".

I heard that Obama will be vacationing in The Vineyard this August - at the height of hurricane season. If, God forbid, another massive hurricane strikes the U.S., think he'll be blamed for being on vacation like Bush was?

943 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:56:51am
944 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:56:55am

re: #927 avanti

Maxine needs to run off to La-La Land with Bachman.

I'd rather she stay with the Democrats to keep on highlighting their agenda.

945 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:57:19am

re: #919 Occasional Reader

Hmm.

From your perspective as a liberal, what is "real conservatism"?

I'd like a return to principles of fiscal conservatism and a jettisoning of the religious right.
There are certain traditionally conservative principles which I think of as American principles, not partisan ones: acceding more power and authority to the individual than to the state, privacy, etc. Gov't interfering in the lives of citizens as little as possible.

Those principles have been corrupted by the right's association with the religious right, in my opinion. People trying to tell us that we should teach creationism in our schools is a perfect example.

946 J.S.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:57:27am

re: #921 BlueCanuck

Earlier, the State run Iranian media had been claiming that Nada had a sister who was a terrorist, and it was all just a case of mistaken identity...the sniper shot the wrong girl (apparently, that didn't play too well, so now it's "The CIA did it!" They've changed their story...)

947 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:57:39am

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

No we don't. We need a conservative house, a conservative senate and a strong conservative president. And this needs to be repeated in every state and local government.

Morning Walter, but I was talking to Ice.As the conservative right is presently configured, your plan would move us toward a theocracy. Let's agree to help fix that.

948 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:57:41am

re: #928 buzzsawmonkey

I would have felt a little odd saying "Alouette sent me," since I bet at least 90% of the attendees wouldn't have known what the heck I was talking about.

... And then one of them would have pulled you aside, furtively whispered "Jean has a long moustache!", and handed you the microfilm.

The whole adventure would have ended up with you in a running gunfight against Martin Landau at Mt. Rushmore.

949 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:57:43am

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

No we don't. We need a conservative house, a conservative senate and a strong conservative president. And this needs to be repeated in every state and local government.

Even dog catchers?

950 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:58:02am

re: #934 avanti

Crossing my fingers and hoping for social liberal, fiscal conservative.

Yes. That's what I want.

951 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:58:50am

And at foxnews.com right now, they have the Important News of the day highlighted with full color photo and headline taking up most of the top of the page, with links to associated stories.
Michael Jackson.

952 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:59:09am

re: #949 MandyManners

Even dog catchers?

As long as they neuter the yellow dogs out there, then sure.

953 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:59:28am

re: #946 J.S.

Earlier, the State run Iranian media had been claiming that Nada had a sister who was a terrorist, and it was all just a case of mistaken identity...the sniper shot the wrong girl (apparently, that didn't play too well, so now it's "The CIA did it!" They've changed their story...)

wow, they are really spinning now. they know this brutal murder has been seen around the world and it show the regime for the monsters they are.

954 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 7:59:41am

Here's a tweet that caught my eye (not from iran):
'well, looks like Ahmadi najad is happy with the death of MJ, after all Iran elections is disappearing from the net' ...

Heh - it was Ahmadinejad wot killed MJ!

///

955 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:00:14am

re: #947 avanti

Morning Walter, but I was talking to Ice.As the conservative right is presently configured, your plan would move us toward a theocracy. Let's agree to help fix that.

Well, if all those strong conservatives were social liberals and fiscal conservatives then it would be fine, right? That's what I want. In the house, senate, president, local and state government.

No, you were talking to US, this is a public forum.

956 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:00:39am

re: #953 nyc redneck

wow, they are really spinning now. they know this brutal murder has been seen around the world and it show the regime for the monsters they are.

Unclench those . . . claws?

957 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:00:48am

re: #943 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, avanti--you going to answer any of #762, or just duck the whole thing?

How long can you hold your breath?

958 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:00:49am

re: #916 MandyManners

That sometimes keeps me up at night. It'd be okay if my feet weren't made of clay.

In my experience teaching and voluntering with youth the common thread with the good ones is the amount of love they receive no matter what the home situation is. From every indication I've read you rock!

959 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:01:19am

re: #942 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I heard that Obama will be vacationing in The Vineyard this August - at the height of hurricane season. If, God forbid, another massive hurricane strikes the U.S., think he'll be blamed for being on vacation like Bush was?

Yes, if a city drowns for a few days on national teevee while he's away--and he stays away during it.

960 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:01:24am
961 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:01:25am

re: #951 reine.de.tout

And at foxnews.com right now, they have the Important News of the day highlighted with full color photo and headline taking up most of the top of the page, with links to associated stories.
Michael Jackson.

All Michael Jackson, all the time.

962 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:01:38am

re: #894 NJDhockeyfan

Has George Bush been blamed for MJ's death yet? I haven't been watching the news the past 18 hours.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Rev. Wright is already blaming the Jooos. After all, they run the entertainment industry and are most of the doctors, right?
///

963 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:01:40am

re: #885 whiterasta

Check out Dreissen's "Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death" for confirmation that the global environmental movement uses the environment to justify policies that cause incalculable suffering in the third world and the deaths of millions of people of color:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

964 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:02:07am

re: #948 Occasional Reader

... And then one of them would have pulled you aside, furtively whispered "Jean has a long moustache!", and handed you the microfilm.

The whole adventure would have ended up with you in a running gunfight against Martin Landau at Mt. Rushmore.

The chair is against thw wall.

965 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:02:32am
966 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:02:33am

re: #941 KenJen

I Can't Help It.

That's just Human Nature.

967 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:02:38am

re: #952 BlueCanuck

As long as they neuter the yellow dogs out there, then sure.

U R SOE MEEN

968 whiterasta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:02:59am

re: #963 quickjustice

Yes, I am familiar with that.

969 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:03:00am

re: #867 Walter L. Newton

Props to you, Walter!

970 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:03:22am

re: #965 buzzsawmonkey

The lunatic is on the grass.

. . the hall. No wait . . my head . . .AAARGGGHHH. . . . . .

971 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:03:22am

re: #921 BlueCanuck

Whoa, back up there. Wasn't she shot in the chest? How could they find a bullet in her head?

It was the second bullet - fired from the grassy knoll - Dinnerjacket said so!
/

972 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:03:31am

re: #958 DaddyG

In my experience teaching and voluntering with youth the common thread with the good ones is the amount of love they receive no matter what the home situation is. From every indication I've read you rock!

Thank you.

*smoochies*

973 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:03:32am

re: #935 Ward Cleaver

Studebaker actually once produced a "Dictator". Wasn't that in the late '30s or early '40s, Avanti?

It was a entire line, Commander, Dictator, President. My the mid 30's, Dictator was dropped for obvious reasons.

974 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:03:45am

Did you see MJ's brother last night make a short statement and finish with something like "May Allah bless his soul" ?

975 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:03:50am
976 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:04:06am

re: #961 Ward Cleaver

All Michael Jackson, all the time.

Autopsy, funeral, probate . . .

/Greta and Fox will wring this out for at least the next six months

977 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:04:10am

re: #960 buzzsawmonkey

'Til I get the blues.

Remain seated 'cause you'll pass out at one point.

978 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:04:23am

re: #970 Creeping Eruption

. . the hall. No wait . . my head . . .AAARGGGHHH. . . . . .

There is no dark side to the moon. As a matter of fact, it's all dark.

979 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:04:45am

re: #973 avanti

It was a entire line, Commander, Dictator, President. My the mid 30's, Dictator was dropped for obvious reasons.

They never did a "Community Organizer"?

980 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:05:09am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

Yeah, right ...:

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981 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:05:24am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

Then by all means go over to those sites. Why make trouble here?

BTW...

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982 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:05:26am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

Well maybe if you were around during that time you would have seen the extensive coverage.

983 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:05:33am

re: #980 yma o hyd

My thoughts exactly.

984 96RoadKing  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:05:33am

re: #934 avanti

The problem with the Social Liberal/Fiscal Conservative is that individual's always torn by the need to fund the social liberal side of things, resulting in loss of the fiscal conservative side of their personality. Give me a conservative every time.

985 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:05:33am

re: #973 avanti

It was a entire line, Commander, Dictator, President. My the mid 30's, Dictator was dropped for obvious reasons.

No it wasn't.

"The Studebaker Dictator was an automobile produced by the Studebaker Corporation of South Bend, Indiana (USA) from 1927 through 1937. Model year 1928 was the first full year of Dictator production."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

986 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:05:41am

re: #935 Ward Cleaver

Studebaker actually once produced a "Dictator". Wasn't that in the late '30s or early '40s, Avanti?

Fellow over in Siloam Springs has a restored '27 Dictator.

Very cool, and an imposing ride, too.

987 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:05:52am

re: #981 NJDhockeyfan

GMTA!

988 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:06:19am

re: #943 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, avanti--you going to answer any of #762, or just duck the whole thing?

I'm trying to keep up, but I thought I got my views across. The things that appeal to the right are not what I look for in a POTUS, specifically, she was too sociably conservative for me.

989 SurferDoc  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:06:28am

re: #921 BlueCanuck

Whoa, back up there. Wasn't she shot in the chest? How could they find a bullet in her head?

Don't annoy them with details, they are on a roll.

990 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:07:01am

re: #983 vxbush

My thoughts exactly.

Hiya, {vxbush}!

Glad to hear you can now lift your head out of the torrent of work loaded onto your slime shoulders!

991 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:07:02am

re: #979 Occasional Reader

They never did a "Community Organizer"?

Nor a Comrade.

992 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:07:03am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

You need to read the threads and spinoff links more often.

993 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:07:16am

re: #940 vxbush

Yes, but I got extremely pissed off at a technical support rep at a software company I was talking to via email. The guy apparently was not reading my emails, and came back and said, "Oh, just go do this" when I had said in my VERY FIRST EMAIL that I know about that solution and it won't work in my case.

Grrr...

Some guy in a contact center with a bunch of prewritten messages and a script that tells him when to send them...

This happens to me a lot.

994 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:07:27am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

LGF has been an awesome clearing house of info on Iran. You haven't been following the comment threads.

HuffPo, Kos, and Andrew Sullivan all had the best US coverage of Iran and everyone knows it. The right wing blogs were wholly absent.

LGF has been the single best place on the web that aggregated all of that coverage, on a minute to minute basis, in the threads.

995 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:07:37am

re: #992 Honorary Yooper

1 post since 07

996 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:07:51am

re: #990 yma o hyd

Yes, but it's hard to balance the work there with those spines along on my back...

997 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:08:25am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.


Huh.
xdiesp


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Go away you fucking moby.

998 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:08:28am

re: #993 DaddyG

Some guy in a contact center with a bunch of prewritten messages and a script that tells him when to send them...

This happens to me a lot.

Yes, I'm just getting to the point where I've decided I should just ask for the manager at the very first call. It saves trouble and time later.

999 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:08:30am

re: #990 yma o hyd

Hiya, {vxbush}!

Glad to hear you can now lift your head out of the torrent of work loaded onto your slime shoulders!

Gah!
How awful - PIMF!

That was meant to be 'slim' shoulders - sorreee ...

(Crawls under the table in abject dejection ...)

1000 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:08:40am

re: #963 quickjustice

Check out Dreissen's "Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death" for confirmation that the global environmental movement uses the environment to justify policies that cause incalculable suffering in the third world and the deaths of millions of people of color:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Malthus never died.

BTW, FCBBHO's science czar is a Malthusian.


When Barack Obama nominated John P. Holdren as his Science Adviser last December 20, the president-elect stated "promoting science isn’t just about providing resources" but "ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology." In nominating John Holdren, his words could scarcely have taken a more Orwellian ring.

Some critics have noted Holdren's penchant for making apocalyptic predictions that never come to pass, and categorizing all criticism of his alarmist views as not only wrong but dangerous. What none has yet noted is that Holdren is a globalist who has endorsed "surrender of sovereignty" to "a comprehensive Planetary Regime" that would control all the world's resources, direct global redistribution of wealth, oversee the "de-development" of the West, control a World Army and taxation regime, and enforce world population limits. He has castigated the United States as "the meanest of wealthy countries," written a justification of compulsory abortion for American women, advocated drastically lowering the U.S. standard of living, and left the door open to trying global warming "deniers" for crimes against humanity. Such is Barack Obama's idea of a clear-headed adviser on matters of scientific policy.

First Lab on the Left

All of these positions are consistent with a man who began his career as a "dissident scientist." Peter Collier remembers Holdren working by day at a national laboratory and by night writing for Ramparts, the intellectual journal of the New Left. Holdren has authored numerous books and journal articles with his mentors Paul and Anne Ehrlich, the infamous doomsayers who predicted overpopulation would force most of the world's population to perish during the 1980s "great die-off." Holdren has gone on to a distinguished academic career in his own right. A longtime professor at the University of California at Berkeley, Teresa Heinz Kerry used her late husband's tax-exempt billions to endow a chair at Harvard for Ehrlich's disciple; Holdren is now the Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy at the Kennedy School of Government, where his (and her) ideas influence the next generation of policymakers. Holdren himself has a background in political "philanthropy," serving for 14 years on John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation's Board of Trustees, steering its grants to far-Left organizations. He also pursued the intersection of science and diplomacy by joining the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs, an organization founded during the Cold War by former nuclear scientist and fellow traveler Joseph Rotblat. Pugwash hewed to the Communist Party line and was subsequently feted by Czechslovakian and Polish Communist leaders.

The Neo-Malthusians

Holdren gave a clear indication of his philosophical views in the 1977 book Ecoscience, which he co-authored with Paul and Anne Ehrlich. [1] In its pages, the authors noted, "The neo-Malthusiasn view proposes...population limitation and redistribution of wealth." They concluded, "On these points, we find ourselves firmly in the neo-Malthusian camp" (p. 954).

1001 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:08:59am

re: #987 yma o hyd

GMTA!

Heh. That was an easy one.

1002 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:09:02am

re: #973 avanti

It was a entire line, Commander, Dictator, President. My the mid 30's, Dictator was dropped for obvious reasons.

Commander and President lived on for much longer.

BTW, on my vacation, we saw a an old store (a dry cleaners, maybe?) with five Studes parked around it, including a Studebaker pickup. I'll have to remember which town it was, but it was on US 77, in central Texas. It may have been Rosebud - I'll scan Google Street View to see if I can find it again. I also saw a junkyard in the Rio Grand Valley (I think it was in Mercedes, or maybe Weslaco) along US 83, where they had an Avanti atop a very tall pole.

1003 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:09:14am
1004 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:09:19am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

If you feel that way start your on blog BUT quit bitch'in about what Charles does on/with his.

1005 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:09:32am

re: #965 buzzsawmonkey

The lunatic is on the grass.

Got to keep the loonies on the path.

1006 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:09:39am

re: #985 Walter L. Newton

No it wasn't.

"The Studebaker Dictator was an automobile produced by the Studebaker Corporation of South Bend, Indiana (USA) from 1927 through 1937. Model year 1928 was the first full year of Dictator production."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Walter, it was dropped because of the changing feeling about the name. By 1937, the bloom was going off that rose.

1007 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:09:42am

re: #978 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Welcome to the machine

1008 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:09:57am

re: #985 Walter L. Newton

No it wasn't.

"The Studebaker Dictator was an automobile produced by the Studebaker Corporation of South Bend, Indiana (USA) from 1927 through 1937. Model year 1928 was the first full year of Dictator production."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yeah, it was dropped at the end of the 1936 model year for the obvious reasons (read the Wiki again, Walter). The "Commander" moniker replaced it for 1937.

1009 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:09:58am

re: #996 vxbush

Yes, but it's hard to balance the work there with those spines along on my back...

Yeah - thats gotta be hard!
Don't tell them, or they'll give you even more ... I know how bastids like them think ...!

1010 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:10:06am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

By all means don't let us keep you here. Feel free to leave and continue your Huffing...

1011 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:10:17am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

Oh, go piss up a rope.

1012 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:10:35am

re: #995 Creeping Eruption

1 post since 07

I smell a sleeping sock puppet.

1013 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:10:35am

re: #1007 Mad Al-Jaffee

You bought a guitar, to punish your ma.

1014 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:10:41am

re: #999 yma o hyd

Gah!
How awful - PIMF!

That was meant to be 'slim' shoulders - sorreee ...

(Crawls under the table in abject dejection ...)

Nah, I thought you meant slimy. I did just molt, after all.

1015 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:10:52am

re: #1001 NJDhockeyfan

Heh. That was an easy one.

Yep - stellar, it was!

1016 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:10:58am

re: #1012 Honorary Yooper

I smell a sleeping sock puppet.

Rank, huh?

1017 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:10:59am
1018 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:11:10am

re: #1011 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

I couldn't beat that for eloquence.

1019 rightside  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:11:24am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

If the coverage is so good over there, why on earth would you come over here then?

1020 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:11:28am

re: #1003 buzzsawmonkey

We've got no Mussolini, got no Moseley
We've got Popeye and Gypsy Rose Lee

I love it.

1021 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:11:57am

re: #967 MandyManners

I know. :)

1022 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:12:11am

re: #1014 vxbush

Nah, I thought you meant slimy. I did just molt, after all.

Aww ... I never ever would use said expression in connection with you - molting or not!

:-)

1023 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:12:11am
1024 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:12:44am

re: #1012 Honorary Yooper

I smell a sleeping sock puppet.

I smell a pile of poop.

1025 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:13:11am

re: #942 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I heard that Obama will be vacationing in The Vineyard this August - at the height of hurricane season. If, God forbid, another massive hurricane strikes the U.S., think he'll be blamed for being on vacation like Bush was?

Obama's vacations are much need rest for the king.

1026 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:13:19am

re: #975 xdiesp

I will grant you that there was inactivity for a long time, but there was no activity to speak of to begin with... and if you think the information here is lacking to your tastes, then perhaps this isn't the place for you, wouldn't you say?

1027 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:13:40am

bbiab

1028 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:14:03am

Good morning all! :)

1029 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:14:04am

re: #985 Walter L. Newton

No it wasn't.

"The Studebaker Dictator was an automobile produced by the Studebaker Corporation of South Bend, Indiana (USA) from 1927 through 1937. Model year 1928 was the first full year of Dictator production."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"However the rise of Adolf Hitler in Germany tainted the word dictator, and Studebaker abruptly and without fanfare (or surviving internal correspondence) discontinued the Dictator at the end of the 1936 model year..."

Hitler also ruined it for that whole narrow moustache look.

1030 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:14:35am

re: #971 realwest

Time for President Obama to call a press conference to apologize to Ahmadinejad for the CIA's assassination of an innocent Iranian woman, and also for his harsh words about the Iranian government crackdown on its own people!

1031 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:14:59am

re: #1016 Creeping Eruption

Rank, huh?

It's very Stinky.

1032 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:15:13am

StopAhmadi:

NEWS: Protests at Iranian Embassy in Stockholm went violent as ppl attacked the embassy #iranelection

NEWS: Police at IR embassy in Stockholm couldn't stop ppl from attacking embassy, called 4 backup #iranelection

The Stockholm embassy attack is CONFIRMED #iranelection

NEWS: A few hundred ppl attacked IR embassy in Stockholm at 4:30 PM local time after peaceful protests #iranelection

1033 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:15:14am

re: #1017 buzzsawmonkey

You have not defined your terms--only used meaningless buzzwords.

And I think you mean "socially"--unless you have a problem with the practice of politeness.

Let me sum it up for you. Palin is a fine lady, and if the GOP wants her to run I'll respect that.

1034 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:15:25am

re: #1030 quickjustice

re: #971 realwest

Time for President Obama to call a press conference to apologize to Ahmadinejad for the CIA's assassination of an innocent Iranian woman, and also for his harsh words about the Iranian government crackdown on its own people!


With Carter there to offer apologies for making the Iranians take hostanges in 1979

1035 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:15:33am

re: #1029 DaddyG

I thought Hitler was a Volkswagen guy.

1036 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:16:08am

re: #1029 DaddyG

"However the rise of Adolf Hitler in Germany tainted the word dictator, and Studebaker abruptly and without fanfare (or surviving internal correspondence) discontinued the Dictator at the end of the 1936 model year..."

Hitler also ruined it for that whole narrow moustache look.

Just like JFK killed the men's hat industry.

1037 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:16:23am

re: #1032 reine.de.tout

StopAhmadi:

Yes, but Michael Jackson is dead! //

1038 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:16:34am

Morning Honcos,

I'm grumpy this morning.

I'm stuck behind a moonbat Toyota Tercel covered with bumper stickers.
War is Terrorism, Violence Never Solved Anything, COEXIST. While I restrain my self from expressing my opinion with a single digit, I'm thinking tell that to Neda.

Then a radio commercial for a local car dealer comes on...
"Factory warranty fully backed by the US Treasury"

Meanwhile Cap and Trade, a $2000 tax increase for is sailing through congress, and health care tyranny is sailing right along.

Oh and it's my hatching day!

If there's a troll in the house let me at 'em!
I want to celebrate and work out the grumpiness!

1039 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:16:42am

George Galloway PressTV. "Ahmadinejad is not currupt'. No he is just a murderer of young ppl. You have ruined yourself #Iranelection RT RT
20 minutes ago from web

1040 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:16:55am

re: #1035 quickjustice

I thought Hitler was a Volkswagen guy.

More a Mercedes-Benz and Maybach guy.

1041 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:16:56am
1042 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:17:35am

re: #1030 quickjustice

Time for President Obama to call a press conference to apologize to Ahmadinejad for the CIA's assassination of an innocent Iranian woman, and also for his harsh words about the Iranian government crackdown on its own people!


Well it shouldn't take him long to do: isn't ABC still encamped at the WH?!

1043 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:17:35am

re: #1038 jcm

Morning Honcos,

I'm grumpy this morning.

I'm stuck behind a moonbat Toyota Tercel covered with bumper stickers.
War is Terrorism, Violence Never Solved Anything, COEXIST. While I restrain my self from expressing my opinion with a single digit, I'm thinking tell that to Neda.

Then a radio commercial for a local car dealer comes on...
"Factory warranty fully backed by the US Treasury"

Meanwhile Cap and Trade, a $2000 tax increase for is sailing through congress, and health care tyranny is sailing right along.

Oh and it's my hatching day!

If there's a troll in the house let me at 'em!
I want to celebrate and work out the grumpiness!

Happy Hatchling Day- Glad for the fact you were hatched:)

1044 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:17:37am

re: #1036 Ward Cleaver

Just like JFK killed the men's hat industry.

Funny, I had never thought of that, but the time line is about right.

1045 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:18:10am

re: #1038 jcm

If there's a troll in the house let me at 'em!
I want to celebrate and work out the grumpiness!

In fact I believe you are just in time. It made an appearance but seems to have skulked back under the bridge.

1046 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:18:21am

re: #1035 quickjustice

I thought Hitler was a Volkswagen guy.

He seemed to like it...

1047 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:18:22am

re: #1044 avanti

re: #1036 Ward Cleaver


Funny, I had never thought of that, but the time line is about right.

Because he did not wear them? I don't get it. . .

1048 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:18:36am

re: #975 xdiesp

Lately I fired up my LGF bookmark after months of inactivity and I've got to say that the Iran protests' coverage has been quite poor compared to HuffPo and other leftists sites.

Hi xd! How are things in Italia? You really do need to read the comments before you complain about the coverage of Iran here. On another subject, I remember from a few Old Lounge conversations that you were concerned about the health system in the US. Does Obama's plan make you more comfortable?

1049 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:18:55am

re: #1033 avanti

Let me sum it up for you. Palin is a fine lady, and if the GOP wants her to run I'll respect that.


Gee, that's awfully big of you avanti. Thanks.

1050 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:18:57am

From the Beeb today:

Eerie calm masks Iran tensions

From that link:
'When you ask Iranians about the way this might go, a phrase keeps cropping up. They say it might seem quiet to an outsider, but there is fire below the ashes. '

1051 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:19:02am

Conservative means to me: minimal government interference by staying out of my pockets, classrooms and bedroom. Right now the major parties are offering alternatives for who can interfere the best way. That is why the Republicans are losing their conservative base.

1052 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:19:24am

re: #1045 Creeping Eruption

re: #1038 jcm


In fact I believe you are just in time. It made an appearance but seems to have skulked back under the bridge.

As a gift. . .___ is so ___ that I am ready to ___

Fill in the blanks with your favorite trollisms. . .:)

1053 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:19:37am

re: #776 Occasional Reader

For yet another kewpie doll: What did the famous sign that sat on Harry Truman's desk in the Oval Office say?

And for extra credit, did the term "buck" refer to money?
If not, what is the reference?

1054 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:19:49am

re: #1050 yma o hyd

From the Beeb today:

Eerie calm masks Iran tensions

From that link:
'When you ask Iranians about the way this might go, a phrase keeps cropping up. They say it might seem quiet to an outsider, but there is fire below the ashes. '


"the deep breath before the plunge"

1055 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:20:03am
1056 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:20:15am

re: #1034 DisturbedEma

With Carter there to offer apologies for making the Iranians take hostanges in 1979


Please! I'm dying from a toothache here, PLEASE DON'T MENTION THAT AGAIN!
:)

1057 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:20:15am

re: #1029 DaddyG

"However the rise of Adolf Hitler in Germany tainted the word dictator, and Studebaker abruptly and without fanfare (or surviving internal correspondence) discontinued the Dictator at the end of the 1936 model year..."

Hitler also ruined it for that whole narrow moustache look.

Not many guys named "Adolf" any longer either...sorta took that first name right out of circulation. I was going to name my oldest son Adolf, but I decided against it. For now, little Genghis is doing great though.

1058 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:20:37am

re: #1055 buzzsawmonkey

re: #1047 DisturbedEma


Yes. JFK did not wear the traditional top hat with his morning dress at the Inauguration, and did not wear hats generally. This led to a huge abandonment of hats as an article of male attire (formerly something every man wore), and the hat industry never recovered from it.

Ah, why didn't he wear them?

1059 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:21:09am

re: #1056 realwest

re: #1034 DisturbedEma


Please! I'm dying from a toothache here, PLEASE DON'T MENTION THAT AGAIN!
:)

Sorry. . .henseforth he will be know and Peanut. . .:)

1060 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:21:17am

re: #1057 Desert Dog

Not many guys named "Adolf" any longer either...sorta took that first name right out of circulation. I was going to name my oldest son Adolf, but I decided against it. For now, little Genghis is doing great though.

Times sure have changed. I wonder how many "Osamas" have been born in the last 8 years.

1061 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:21:21am
1062 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:21:25am

re: #997 realwest

Huh.
xdiesp

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Go away you fucking moby.

Somebody's sticking his hand in some long-unused sock puppet.

1063 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:21:30am

re: #1037 DisturbedEma

Yes, but Michael Jackson is dead! //

No he is not. Don't fall for the disinformation campaign.

MJ is in seclusion with Tupac working on a comeback. And dodging Elvis, cause that dude is still mad about his daughter.

1064 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:21:57am

re: #1061 buzzsawmonkey

re: #1058 DisturbedEma


Who knows? The big mop of Kennedy Hair, perhaps.

Oh, I htought maybe it was a jab at convention. . .on purpose:)

1065 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:21:59am

re: #1038 jcm

Morning Honcos,

I'm grumpy this morning.

I'm stuck behind a moonbat Toyota Tercel covered with bumper stickers.
War is Terrorism, Violence Never Solved Anything, COEXIST. While I restrain my self from expressing my opinion with a single digit, I'm thinking tell that to Neda.

Then a radio commercial for a local car dealer comes on...
"Factory warranty fully backed by the US Treasury"

Meanwhile Cap and Trade, a $2000 tax increase for is sailing through congress, and health care tyranny is sailing right along.

Oh and it's my hatching day!

If there's a troll in the house let me at 'em!
I want to celebrate and work out the grumpiness!

Happy hatchling day, {jcm}!

There wa a troll a bit further upthread - you can have the buttocks I'm just barbequeing!

1066 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:21:59am

re: #1060 Creeping Eruption

Times sure have changed. I wonder how many "Osamas" have been born in the last 8 years.

A lot, I think. There were many "Saddam"s during Gulf War I, believe it or not.

1067 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:22:07am

re: #1058 DisturbedEma

Ah, why didn't he wear them?

Ahh, too much hassle to remove for every dalliance?

1068 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:22:09am

Ahh, yes. . .

1069 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:22:19am

re: #1063 razorbacker

And dodging Elvis, cause that dude is still mad about his daughter.

Its not like MJ was fucking her . . /

1070 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:22:24am

re: #1038 jcm
Now, now jcm, just calm down, breathe deeply, drink a glass of water...then go get your 12 gauge and get back into your car and DO YOUR DUTY!
/

1071 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:22:44am

re: #1051 DaddyG

You're more of a libertarian than I, which I respect. I'm more conservative in this respect: I think it appropriate for government to set certain minimal barriers to certain types of conduct. Prohibiting minors from smoking, and prohibiting sex with minors or animals are two examples. In other words, regulations to protect children and animals. A true libertarian opposes such regulation.

1072 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:22:44am

re: #1060 Creeping Eruption

Times sure have changed. I wonder how many "Osamas" have been born in the last 8 years.

Not many here in the USA, but I think I read that is it one of the most popular names for newborn boys in Pakistan. Great news, eh?

I would look for an Obama rush here in the USA.

1073 jvic  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:22:47am

re: #762 buzzsawmonkey

a) ... b) ... c) ... d) ... e) ...

Despite my reservations about Palin, I had to upding that.

But IMHO all your points are reasons to keep an open mind about Palin's growth potential, but not reasons to support her for President at this time.

1074 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:22:54am

re: #1067 jcm

re: #1058 DisturbedEma


Ahh, too much hassle to remove for every dalliance?

Would be an excuse for constantly messed up hair. . .helmet head. . .

1075 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:23:05am
1076 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:23:10am

Al Sharpton seems to view EVERYTHING through his race politics. Here is part of a comment he made yesterday about Michael Jackson.

"Michael Jackson made culture accept a person of color, way before Tiger Woods, way before Oprah Winfrey, way before Barack Obama. Michael did with music what they later did in sports and in politics, and in television. And no controversy will erase the historic impact,“ Sharpton said."

My comment... there is no doubt that Jackson blurred the lines between black and white.

1077 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:23:31am

re: #1062 Kosh's Shadow

Somebody's sticking his hand in some long-unused sock puppet.

He was an Old Lounge regular. A nice enough guy, as far as I could tell. I sure have been fooled disappointed shocked by some other Old Lounge regulars, though, so don't take my word for it.

1078 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:23:48am

re: #1000 MandyManners


Now that is some scary shit.


He has castigated the United States as "the meanest of wealthy countries," written a justification of compulsory abortion for American women

For the left, it always comes down to inconvenient people, doesn't it?

1079 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:24:57am

Remember that little thingy about inspecting ships and North Korea? US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship

'Can we please inspect your ship?'
'No!'
'Oh...ok. Have a nice day and safe trip.'

1080 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:25:07am

re: #1078 Occasional Reader

re: #1000 MandyManners


Now that is some scary shit.


For the left, it always comes down to inconvenient people, doesn't it?

Yep, I heard it about Palin's child A LOT and about mine. . .like how selfish I was for having him. . .because he was, you know, deformed. . .

1081 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:25:17am

I think Michael Jackson has been abducted by space aliens, and this is all a prelude to his big comeback in the sky!/

1082 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:25:23am

re: #1055 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. JFK did not wear the traditional top hat with his morning dress at the Inauguration, and did not wear hats generally. This led to a huge abandonment of hats as an article of male attire (formerly something every man wore), and the hat industry never recovered from it.


And yet he started the US Army Special Forces and gave them permission to wear a special hat - the green beret!

1083 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:25:25am
1084 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:25:51am

re: #1055 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. JFK did not wear the traditional top hat with his morning dress at the Inauguration, and did not wear hats generally. This led to a huge abandonment of hats as an article of male attire (formerly something every man wore), and the hat industry never recovered from it.

Hats and walking sticks should be a staple of every gentlemans wardrobe. I have going to fancy bistros on a date with my wife and seeing everyone in jeans.

1085 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:25:56am

re: #1036 Ward Cleaver

Just like JFK killed the men's hat industry.

And Michelle Obama is killing sleeves on blouses.

1086 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:25:57am

re: #1079 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Remember that little thingy about inspecting ships and North Korea? US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship

'Can we please inspect your ship?'
'No!'
'Oh...ok. Have a nice day and safe trip.'

Tell the Whale Wars people they are killing whales. . .let them at 'em

1087 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:26:21am

Galloway and Murder

I see the murder in the streets of Tehran has not inspired George Galloway to withdraw from his post at Press TV, which is funded by the Iranian government. Hmm, now let me see, what do I have to say about that? Nothing I leave it to you.

1088 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:26:54am

re: #1076 Walter L. Newton

Morning Walter! Hope you're doing great today. Yeah, love your comment.

Last night we were sittin' around the bar at the Cowboy, and a network (I believe it was Fox) had a video showing Michael Jackson at around 10 years old next to a picture of him taken very recently. Okay, no problem.

Oh yeah, the voiceover for that video was "Michael Jackson transcended race in this country."

We all looked at each other and asked: "They really didn't say that, did they?"

1089 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:27:08am

re: #1036 Ward Cleaver

Just like JFK killed the men's hat industry.

That's true; JFK killed it.

1090 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:27:17am
1091 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:27:23am

re: #1062 Kosh's Shadow

Somebody's sticking his hand in some long-unused sock puppet.


Yep and with any luck at all Charles will wake up, see my report and ban it.
Pains in the ass, sockpuppets. Just come out and say what you want to with your own Godddamned nic!
Effin' cowards.

1092 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:27:37am

re: #1070 realwest

Now, now jcm, just calm down, breathe deeply, drink a glass of water...then go get your 12 gauge and get back into your car and DO YOUR DUTY!
/

LOL!
Get thee behind me satan!
;-P

I'd really would like to know HOW these people think, I know what they think. I still remember the no violence caller on a talk radio, he wouldn't resort to violence to stop a rape or murder occurring in front of him. I guess if they would help some in front of them, a whole country half a world away is easy to ignore.

1093 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:27:38am

re: #1076 Walter L. Newton

Al Sharpton seems to view EVERYTHING through his race politics. Here is part of a comment he made yesterday about Michael Jackson.

"Michael Jackson made culture accept a person of color, way before Tiger Woods, way before Oprah Winfrey, way before Barack Obama. Michael did with music what they later did in sports and in politics, and in television. And no controversy will erase the historic impact,“ Sharpton said."

My comment... there is no doubt that Jackson blurred the lines between black and white.

Yes, and for all the positive things MJ may have done, Al Sharpton has done his best to reverse all of them by his dreadful behavior over the years. I extend a hearty FOAD to you, Mr. Sharpton.

MJ did some good, but I cannot get past his problem with little boys. There are somethings you cannot forgive. He was a pedophile and there is no way around that, no matter how talented he was.

1094 J.D.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:27:44am

re: #1083 FrogMarch

Additionally, Baucus was still searching for ways to cover the cost of his emerging legislation, and numerous officials said he appeared roughly $200 billion shy of achieving that goal.


$200 billion is merely chump change these days.

1095 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:27:47am

re: #1082 realwest

And yet he started the US Army Special Forces and gave them permission to wear a special hat - the green beret!

Wrong - the Special Forces were inaugurated in 1952. JFK founded the SEALS.

1096 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:27:58am

re: #1079 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Of course not-- that might piss off Kim Jong Il!/

Life, President Obama, and Hillary Clinton all imitate "Team America: World Police", the motion picture.

1097 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:28:06am

re: #1079 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Remember that little thingy about inspecting ships and North Korea? US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship

'Can we please inspect your ship?'
'No!'
'Oh...ok. Have a nice day and safe trip.'

The UN resolution doesn't allow force to be used. All we can do is ask.
However, any country where they come into port can do more, like deny them fuel.

1098 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:28:25am

re: #1084 DaddyG

Hats and walking sticks should be a staple of every gentlemans wardrobe. I have going to fancy bistros on a date with my wife and seeing everyone in jeans.

Sure, and if you go to the opera people are wearing jeans too.

1099 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:28:35am

re: #1076 Walter L. Newton

The Al Sharpton quote I heard on the radio yesterday was pretty whiny.
Something to the effect: "Everyone who criticized Michael for his alleged pedophilia will now sing his praises - and how dare they..."

all I could think of was: Whine whine whine - stop whining, you idiot.

1100 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:28:48am

re: #1088 subsailor68

Morning Walter! Hope you're doing great today. Yeah, love your comment.

Last night we were sittin' around the bar at the Cowboy, and a network (I believe it was Fox) had a video showing Michael Jackson at around 10 years old next to a picture of him taken very recently. Okay, no problem.

Oh yeah, the voiceover for that video was "Michael Jackson transcended race in this country."

We all looked at each other and asked: "They really didn't say that, did they?"

Thanks, but in honestly, for full disclosure, the "blurred the line between black and white" was from my girlfriend, who just said it to me over the phone. I told her I was going to steal it.

1101 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:28:49am

re: #1079 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Remember that little thingy about inspecting ships and North Korea? US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship

'Can we please inspect your ship?'
'No!'
'Oh...ok. Have a nice day and safe trip.'

And a few more monks in Burma die...

1102 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:29:17am

re: #1097 Kosh's Shadow

The UN resolution doesn't allow force to be used. All we can do is ask.
However, any country where they come into port can do more, like deny them fuel.

Perhaps we can position an iceberg in front of the ship?

1103 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:29:21am
1104 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:29:38am

re: #1076 Walter L. Newton

Al Sharpton seems to view EVERYTHING through his race politics. Here is part of a comment he made yesterday about Michael Jackson.

"Michael Jackson made culture accept a person of color, way before Tiger Woods, way before Oprah Winfrey, way before Barack Obama. Michael did with music what they later did in sports and in politics, and in television. And no controversy will erase the historic impact,“ Sharpton said."

My comment... there is no doubt that Jackson blurred the lines between black and white.


My comment - Smokey Robinson, Nat King Cole, Sam Cooke, et. al. Oh and FUCK YOU AL SHARPTON.

1105 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:29:39am

re: #1094 J.D.

$200 billion is merely chump change these days.

I be a chump for that change...

///

1106 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:29:47am

re: #1100 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, but in honestly, for full disclosure, the "blurred the line between black and white" was from my girlfriend, who just said it to me over the phone. I told her I was going to steal it.

He did blur the line - with surgery and topical lotions.

1107 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:30:02am

re: #1071 quickjustice I should clarify, when I say "my bedroom" I'm referring to adults. I would have to agree with eerything you just posted. I'm probably more Whig than Libertarian.

1108 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:30:25am

re: #1075 buzzsawmonkey

He may have been doing a "break with tradition" thing; do not forget his line about how "the torch has been passed to a new generation, born in this century."

I've never quite understood hats, anyway. I mean, except for purely utilitarian functions, like sun protection and warmth. But a Stetson? Just one more piece of superfluous gear you'd have to worry about.

Thanks, JFK!

1109 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:30:41am
1110 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:30:58am

re: #1069 Creeping Eruption

Its not like MJ was fucking her . . /

Yeserday the MSM was all breathless about whether Liz Taylor knew & how she might take the news.

/Do you have any idea what it's like to wake up to this shit on the radio?

1111 yma o hyd  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:30:59am

BBIAB

1112 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:30:59am

re: #1100 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, but in honestly, for full disclosure, the "blurred the line between black and white" was from my girlfriend, who just said it to me over the phone. I told her I was going to steal it.

Well, you DID tell her you were gonna steal it. "Mr. Newton, Mr. Newton, there's a Mr. Diogenes on line 2."

;-)

1113 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:31:21am

re: #1106 FrogMarch

He did blur the line - with surgery and topical lotions.

That's what my comment was all about, it was satire, it wasn't meant to be a compliment. "Michael Jackson blurred the line between black and white" was sarcasm on my part.

1114 J.D.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:31:27am

re: #1105 jcm

I be a chump for that change...

///

We may yet all be!

Happy Hatchling Day, btw.

1115 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:31:37am

Let's cut the crap on Iran, shall we? Ahmadinejad and his faithful mullahs are engaging in a purge of all those who oppose them. They've declared jihad against the opposition. I don't use that term loosely either. After all, the mullahs have declared that the opposition is at war with Allah Himself.

The violence in Iran is the result of no one but the mullahs and Ahmadinejad. They stole this election; they are the ones who brought out their thugs to intimidate and coerce the population into meek acceptance of the clearly bogus election results.

After all, if Ahmadinejad truly won this election, he wouldn't or shouldn't have a problem with a recount that would verify he won. He refuses to do so because it would reveal what everyone already knows - he stole the election and Khamenei has signed off on the destruction of the Islamic Republic of Iran, replacing it with the Islamofascist state of Iran.

1116 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:31:38am

re: #1086 DisturbedEma

The UN resolution does not allow use of force. To forcefully board a ship on the high seas is a no-no by international law. They will attempt to inspect the ship, if refused, it can be inspected when it stops for fuel under the resolution.

1117 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:31:46am

re: #1103 buzzsawmonkey

Problem is, there are no checkrooms any more, and no hat pegs either, which makes it difficult to put the hat aside safely in most establishments.

Walking sticks are not only fun, but can serve as a means of protection even if you don't have a sword concealed in them.

Match set of 1911s with pearl handles I find is a perfect accessory for evening wear.

1118 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:31:57am

Obama and Merkel to hold new conference any minute.

1119 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:32:28am

re: #1079 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Remember that little thingy about inspecting ships and North Korea? US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship

'Can we please inspect your ship?'
'No!'
'Oh...ok. Have a nice day and safe trip.'

The Norks threatened; Obama backed down. Lesson learned, on the Nork side. Lather, rinse, repeat.

1120 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:32:30am

re: #1108 Occasional Reader

I've never quite understood hats, anyway. I mean, except for purely utilitarian functions, like sun protection and warmth. But a Stetson? Just one more piece of superfluous gear you'd have to worry about.

Thanks, JFK!

Some hats are functional and stylish

1121 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:33:26am

re: #1118 midwestgak

Obama and Merkel to hold new conference any minute.

What's he going to do, apologize for WWII?

1122 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:33:33am

re: #1103 buzzsawmonkey

Problem is, there are no checkrooms any more, and no hat pegs either, which makes it difficult to put the hat aside safely in most establishments.

Walking sticks are not only fun, but can serve as a means of protection even if you don't have a sword concealed in them.

Nothing like a good cudgel to deter a would-be assailant. Then you can say things like: Be Gone saucy varlot, before I rap your knaves pate!"

1123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:33:38am

re: #1117 jcm

Match set of 1911s with pearl handles I find is a perfect accessory for evening wear.

Pearl handled pistols are only used by pimps in New Orleans whorehouses!
/paraphrasing General Patton

1124 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:33:42am

re: #1118 midwestgak

Obama and Merkel to hold new conference any minute.

Joint operation to target the Mullahs?

*slap*
Wake up JCM
*slap*

1125 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:33:43am
1126 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:33:51am

re: #1076 Walter L. Newton

My comment... there is no doubt that Jackson blurred the lines between black and white.

Not to mention male and female, man and boy, rich and poor, musician and actor, life and fiction, human and alien... /

1127 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:34:10am

re: #1080 DisturbedEma

Yep, I heard it about Palin's child A LOT and about mine. . .like how selfish I was for having him. . .because he was, you know, deformed. . .

People have actually said that to you?! Disgusting.

1128 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:34:49am

re: #1122 Creeping Eruption

Nothing like a good cudgel to deter a would-be assailant. Then you can say things like: Be Gone saucy varlot, before I rap your knaves pate!"

That phrase would get you a date in some places.

1129 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:34:54am

re: #1118 midwestgak

Obama Urkel and Merkel to hold new conference any minute.

1130 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:35:05am

re: #1078 Occasional Reader

Now that is some scary shit.


For the left, it always comes down to inconvenient people, doesn't it?

Strange how the Right is tagged with the Malhusian label.

1131 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:35:12am

re: #1128 Walter L. Newton

That phrase would get you a date in some places.

San Fran?

1132 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:35:23am

re: #1099 FrogMarch

The Al Sharpton quote I heard on the radio yesterday was pretty whiny.
Something to the effect: "Everyone who criticized Michael for his alleged pedophilia will now sing his praises - and how dare they..."

all I could think of was: Whine whine whine - stop whining, you idiot.

Sharpton is -- I don't have words for what I think he is. He's a hypocritical bastard who exploits the very community he claims to represent, and he has no problem with stirring up racial hatred if it will get him money and/or TV time.

Two words. Tawana Brawley.

He used that girl and he discarded her, and he did his very best to destroy the careers of others-- who he knew damn well were innocent-- and he's still never been punished for it in any substantial way.

1133 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:35:33am

Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh?

Oh, it looks good on you though.

-youknowwho

1134 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:35:50am

re: #1116 avanti

The UN resolution does not allow use of force. To forcefully board a ship on the high seas is a no-no by international law. They will attempt to inspect the ship, if refused, it can be inspected when it stops for fuel under the resolution.

In the dark of night jam it signals.
Disappear it.

"We don't know what happened your leaky ole rust bucke Lil' Kim, we searched the area for survivors but only found debris, sorry about the bad luck."

1135 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:35:52am

re: #1117 jcm

Match set of 1911s with pearl handles I find is a perfect accessory for evening wear.

Ivory. Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.

[jcm, you magnificent bastard... I read your post!]

1136 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:35:59am

re: #1129 lifeofthemind

Urkel. Brilliant. The name fits. heh.

1137 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:36:25am

re: #1131 Creeping Eruption

San Fran?

Homophobe :)

1138 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:36:29am

re: #1084 DaddyG

Hats and walking sticks should be a staple of every gentlemans wardrobe. I have going to fancy bistros on a date with my wife and seeing everyone in jeans.

Seems the baseball cap has filled the vacuum (ugh). What strikes me is the number of men who will wear a cap indoors. Many by guys who are old enough to know better.

1139 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:36:39am

To all the major networks:

While you've been running 24/7 coverage on Michael Jackson, some of us have been wondering about

The "global warming" legislation that will bankrupt us.
The move on health care legislation that will also bankrupt us.
The tragedy ongoing in Iran.
The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The status of the "stimulus spending" debacle.
The reason the DOW graphs look like the blueprint for a new ride at Six Flags.
The situation in North Korea.

You know, the little, unimportant things.

You assholes.

1140 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:36:49am

re: #1123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pearl handled pistols are only used by pimps in New Orleans whorehouses!
/paraphrasing General Patton

Sir! That is an insult!

Super soakers at dawn in the park!

1141 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:37:02am

re: #1132 iceweasel

Sharpton is -- I don't have words for what I think he is. He's a hypocritical bastard who exploits the very community he claims to represent, and he has no problem with stirring up racial hatred if it will get him money and/or TV time.

Two words. Tawana Brawley.

He used that girl and he discarded her, and he did his very best to destroy the careers of others-- who he knew damn well were innocent-- and he's still never been punished for it in any substantial way.

I got three words - Freddy's Fashion Mart. The man instigated a race riot in which a person was killed & he's still never been called out for that, either.

1142 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:37:25am

well, those spinners aren't getting on my big wheel by themselves.
L8R

1143 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:37:44am

re: #1035 quickjustice

I thought Hitler was a Volkswagen guy.

He sure as hell wasn't a Tatra guy (what the Volkswagen was copied from) after they sued Porsche for copying their design (which was finally settled after the war).

1144 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:37:44am

re: #1129 lifeofthemind

1145 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:37:50am

re: #1125 buzzsawmonkey

Hats stop your hair from getting messed up (if you have a decent haircut and a hat that fits), protect you from the rain, and provide a proper cornice to the edifice of a well-coordinated outfit.

I find that hats mess my hair up (and I have a decent haircut, thanks!). I like the rain. I let my freak flag fly, not like you, Herbert!

1146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:38:06am

re: #1139 subsailor68

To all the major networks:

While you've been running 24/7 coverage on Michael Jackson, some of us have been wondering about

The "global warming" legislation that will bankrupt us.
The move on health care legislation that will also bankrupt us.
The tragedy ongoing in Iran.
The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The status of the "stimulus spending" debacle.
The reason the DOW graphs look like the blueprint for a new ride at Six Flags.
The situation in North Korea.

You know, the little, unimportant things.

You assholes.

The Government provides the bread, their willing accomplices in the media provide the circuses.

1147 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:38:06am

re: #1095 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Wrong - the Special Forces were inaugurated in 1952. JFK founded the SEALS.


Yes, but I was referring to the conversation about JFK and hats and the Green Beret:

The origins of the Green Beret are in Scotland during the Second World War. US Army Rangers and Office of Strategic Services (OSS) operatives, who underwent training from the Royal Marines were awarded the Green Beret upon completion of the grueling and revolutionary commando course. The beret was not authorized by the US Army among the Rangers and OSS operatives who earned them. Edson Raff, one of the first Special Forces officers, is credited with the re-birth of the green beret,[15] which was originally unauthorized for wear by the U.S. Army. In 1961, President John F. Kennedy authorized them for use exclusively by the US Special Forces. Preparing for an October 12 visit to the Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, the President sent word to the Center's commander, Brigadier General William P. Yarborough, for all Special Forces soldiers to wear the beret as part of the event. The President felt that since they had a special mission, Special Forces should have something to set them apart from the rest. In 1962, he called the green beret "a symbol of excellence, a badge of courage, a mark of distinction in the fight for freedom." Aside from the well-recognized beret, Special Forces soldiers are also known for their more informal attire than other members of the U.S. military.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[emphasis added, realwest]

1148 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:38:11am

re: #1118 midwestgak

Obama and Merkel to hold new conference any minute.

Will it knock Jackson off the air?

1149 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:38:36am

re: #1139 subsailor68

If it means anything, the regular morning radio talk show host on KOA radio, a Clear Channel 50 thousand watt station, is not talking about Jackson. And he has no intention to, at least as a topic.

1150 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:38:39am

re: #1125 buzzsawmonkey

Stetson is a brand, not a style--and they used to make very good hats. I am fortunate to have a medium gray fedora by them, made before proper processing of the fur felt was outlawed.

Hats stop your hair from getting messed up (if you have a decent haircut and a hat that fits), protect you from the rain, and provide a proper cornice to the edifice of a well-coordinated outfit.

i love men in hats,
even the cheap little 14th st. fake straw stingy brims.
an antique finely blocked fur felt fedora is a thing of beauty (and great style.)

1151 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:38:50am

re: #1132 iceweasel

He used that girl and he discarded her

Not that she was any prize herself.

1152 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:39:16am

re: #1115 lawhawk

Hawk: I said a week ago that the Iranian election was Lenin against Trotsky. This is a Soviet-style Stalinist purge. The clerics are about to be decimated, and Ahmadinejad will govern as a military dictator with the support of the Revolutionary Guards. The Iranian people took their last, best chance, and it is petering out.

The President of the U.S. is seething as he impatiently waits to do a deal with these people.

1153 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:39:17am
1154 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:39:27am

re: #1108 Occasional Reader

I've never quite understood hats, anyway. I mean, except for purely utilitarian functions, like sun protection and warmth. But a Stetson? Just one more piece of superfluous gear you'd have to worry about.

Thanks, JFK!

Interesting that LBJ wore a Stetson but didn't bring hats back into style.

1155 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:39:30am

re: #1143 Honorary Yooper

He sure as hell wasn't a Tatra guy (what the Volkswagen was copied from) after they sued Porsche for copying their design (which was finally settled after the war).

"The Type 97 is a mid-class saloon car..."

What's a saloon car, one that comes with its own mini-bar?

1156 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:39:30am

re: #1139 subsailor68

To all the major networks:

While you've been running 24/7 coverage on Michael Jackson, some of us have been wondering about

The "global warming" legislation that will bankrupt us.
The move on health care legislation that will also bankrupt us.
The tragedy ongoing in Iran.
The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The status of the "stimulus spending" debacle.
The reason the DOW graphs look like the blueprint for a new ride at Six Flags.
The situation in North Korea.

You know, the little, unimportant things.

You assholes.

Hey, stick with what's important!
///

1157 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:39:47am

re: #1102 Desert Dog

Perhaps we can position an iceberg in front of the ship?

Iceberg, torpedo...!

1158 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:40:06am

re: #1129 lifeofthemind

Obama Urkel and Merkel to hold new conference any minute.

ROFLMAO!

1159 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:40:13am

re: #1141 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I got three words - Freddy's Fashion Mart. The man instigated a race riot in which a person was killed & he's still never been called out for that, either.

Al Sharpton was here in Phoenix last week, trying to stir up problems with old Sheriff Joe. Why does this man have any credibility at all? He should go away. I would call him a pile of sh*t, but that is an insult to a pile of sh*t.

1160 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:40:18am

re: #1122 Creeping Eruption

Nothing like a good cudgel to deter a would-be assailant. Then you can say things like: Be Gone saucy varlot, before I rap your knaves pate!"

Or, skip the foreplay and smash his kneecap.

[fighting fair is for suckers]

1161 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:40:23am

re: #1146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The Government provides the bread, their willing accomplices in the media provide the circuses.

But what is the bread made from... ?

1162 J.D.  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:40:35am

re: #1148 MandyManners

Probably not for long, if at all.

Personally, I wasn't expecting such a Michael Jackson love fest.
You'd think I would know by now, though...

1163 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:40:55am

re: #1149 Walter L. Newton

If it means anything, the regular morning radio talk show host on KOA radio, a Clear Channel 50 thousand watt station, is not talking about Jackson. And he has no intention to, at least as a topic.

He gets a gigantic thumbs up from me for that!

1164 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:41:41am

re: #1086 DisturbedEma

Tell the Whale Wars people they are killing whales. . .let them at 'em

A while back I might have suggested hiring the Somalia pirates to maybe give them a new **cough, cough** lease on life but somehow I've got this bad, bad feeling things are going to turn to poop: US bolsters Somalia aid to foil rebels

The Obama administration has decided to bolster efforts to support Somalia's embattled government by providing money for weapons and helping the military in neighboring Djibouti train Somali forces...
1165 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:41:46am

re: #1160 Occasional Reader

Or, skip the foreplay and smash his kneecap.

[fighting fair is for suckers]

Fighting is for sucker. Just shoot em'

1166 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:41:50am

re: #1141 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I got three words - Freddy's Fashion Mart. The man instigated a race riot in which a person was killed & he's still never been called out for that, either.

Exactly! And he did his best to instigate race riots during the Tawana Brawley case too. Fuck the revisionism that's been taking place about him ever since.

This guy is a cynical opportunist who has actively undermined the goals of racial equality and social progress whenever doing so would get him a TV slot or some cash. I cannot stand him.

1167 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:41:58am

re: #1125 buzzsawmonkey I wear hats in the winter (I'm about the only under 50 white guy in Atlanta that does).

I have a favorite Scout hat I pull out for special ceremonies and courts of honor that used to be an Illinois State Trooper campaign hat Stetson made.

1168 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:42:05am

re: #1160 Occasional Reader

Or, skip the foreplay and smash his kneecap.

[fighting fair is for suckers]

BLAM!
BLAM!


BLAM!


Stop or I'll shoot!

1169 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:42:19am

re: #1125 buzzsawmonkey

I am fortunate to have a medium gray fedora by them, made before proper processing of the fur felt was outlawed.

Well, all I can say is:

Take back ya mink
to from whence it came
And tell 'em to Hollanderize it
for some other dame...

/not that I'm a dame, iceweasel... we're clear on that now, right?

1170 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:42:30am

re: #1146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The Government provides the bread, their willing accomplices in the media provide the circuses.

Oh, look! A birdie!

1171 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:42:50am

re: #1134 jcm

In the dark of night jam it signals.
Disappear it.

"We don't know what happened your leaky ole rust bucke Lil' Kim, we searched the area for survivors but only found debris, sorry about the bad luck."

I can guess any North Korean ships heading to Iran might disappear quickly.
Israel has submarines.

1172 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:42:54am

re: #1121 CynicalConservative

What's he going to do, apologize for WWII?

WWI, remember he's got at least another 3 years of apologizing.

1173 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:43:03am

re: #1161 jcm

But what is the bread made from... ?

After ObamaCare passes it'll be made from Soylent Green

1174 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:43:08am

re: #1168 jcm

BLAM!
BLAM!

BLAM!

Stop or I'll shoot!

GMTA

1175 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:43:23am

re: #1147 realwest

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[emphasis added, realwest]

Ah, I see. I just wish that the Army would go back to only letting Rangers wear the black beret. Letting everyone wear one is like giving everyone a trophy just for showing up.

And while we're on the subject of berets, isn't it odd that the weeniest piece of head gear a man can wear in civilian life classifies him as a bad-ass in the military?

1176 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:43:25am

re: #1139 subsailor68

To all the major networks:

While you've been running 24/7 coverage on Michael Jackson, some of us have been wondering about

The "global warming" legislation that will bankrupt us.
The move on health care legislation that will also bankrupt us.
The tragedy ongoing in Iran.
The situations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The status of the "stimulus spending" debacle.
The reason the DOW graphs look like the blueprint for a new ride at Six Flags.
The situation in North Korea.

You know, the little, unimportant things.

You assholes.


Well said, sub!

1177 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:43:34am

re: #1173 CIA Reject

After ObamaCare passes it'll be made from Soylent Green

Mmm... that's good people...

1178 LGoPs  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:43:45am

re: #1108 Occasional Reader

I've never quite understood hats, anyway. I mean, except for purely utilitarian functions, like sun protection and warmth. But a Stetson? Just one more piece of superfluous gear you'd have to worry about.

Thanks, JFK!

Liberals have brought the asshat back into fashion...
/

1179 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:44:45am

re: #1113 Walter L. Newton

That's what my comment was all about, it was satire, it wasn't meant to be a compliment. "Michael Jackson blurred the line between black and white" was sarcasm on my part.

ah. Well, I knew that. Really - I did. ;-)
Although Michael did blur the line in other ways. He was a musical genius.
So many loved him. It's too bad he didn't feel comfortable in his own skin.

1180 jvic  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:44:47am

re: #13 iceweasel

I heard they were remaking it though, which makes me unhappy.

It makes me uneasy too.

Will the Krell be destroyed in an environmental holocaust resulting from (cue ominous music, then shrieks)...capitalism?

1181 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:44:48am

re: #1162 J.D.

Probably not for long, if at all.

Personally, I wasn't expecting such a Michael Jackson love fest.
You'd think I would know by now, though...

It's rather fortuitous.

1182 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:45:04am

re: #1175 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And while we're on the subject of berets, isn't it odd that the weeniest piece of head gear a man can wear in civilian life classifies him as a bad-ass in the military?

Gives them practice.

Not so famous last words:

"Hey, pussy . . .yeah you . . .nice beret."

1183 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:45:08am

re: #1165 Creeping Eruption

Fighting is for sucker. Just shoot em'

Well... the law tends to get rather irksome about that...

1184 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:45:11am

re: #935 Ward Cleaver

Studebaker actually once produced a "Dictator". Wasn't that in the late '30s or early '40s, Avanti?

You are correct, but I don't know what specific model years.

1185 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:45:27am

re: #1152 quickjustice

Hawk: I said a week ago that the Iranian election was Lenin against Trotsky. This is a Soviet-style Stalinist purge. The clerics are about to be decimated, and Ahmadinejad will govern as a military dictator with the support of the Revolutionary Guards. The Iranian people took their last, best chance, and it is petering out.

The President of the U.S. is seething as he impatiently waits to do a deal with these people.

Obama's lack of support for these people has made every despot and tin pot dictator around the world smile. He is more concerned about his preconceived notions of negotiations with the mad mullahs and Dinnerjacket. So, he sat there on his hands with his mouth shut when he should have been shouting from the highest hill in favor of the demonstrators. He thinks he has strengthened his position with the current leaders of Iran with this strategy. Instead, he had made it even worse that it was before...great job, Mr. President.

1186 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:45:31am

re: #1173 CIA Reject

After ObamaCare passes it'll be made from Soylent Green

There is a yeast infection joke in there somewhere.

1187 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:45:43am

re: #1164 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

The Obama administration has decided to bolster efforts to support Somalia's embattled government by providing money for weapons and helping the military in neighboring Djibouti train Somali forces...

WTH? If I remember correctly, Somalia really doesn't have a government. It's a total mess. What's Obama gonna do, send a check with a letter that starts "To Whom It May Concern"?

1188 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:45:55am

re: #1140 jcm

Sir! That is an insult!

Super soakers at dawn in the park!

Anyone here have a set of ivory handled super soaker dueling pistols filled with brandy?

1189 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:46:11am

re: #1169 Occasional Reader

Well, all I can say is:

Take back ya mink
to from whence it came
And tell 'em to Hollanderize it
for some other dame...

/not that I'm a dame, iceweasel... we're clear on that now, right?

Prove it. Scratch something.

1190 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:46:26am

re: #1151 Occasional Reader

Not that she was any prize herself.

Yeah, but she was 15 and she made up a dumb story to explain why she was away for 3 days to avoid getting in trouble with her stepfather.

This wouldn't have been the media circus that it became if not for her mother and her 'advisors'-- people like Al Sharpton.

Hell, the neighbours and others all came forward saying they'd seen her over the days she'd claimed to be 'abducted'.

Sharpton is responsible for the media circus that drowned all that out.

1191 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:46:34am

re: #1180 jvic

It makes me uneasy too.

Will the Krell be destroyed in an environmental holocaust resulting from (cue ominous music, then shrieks)...capitalism?

Well then . .Krull to the rescue.

1192 irongrampa  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:46:54am

Only hat I ever felt good about wearing was my tin pot.

1193 SixDegrees  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:46:54am

re: #1042 realwest

Well it shouldn't take him long to do: isn't ABC still encamped at the WH?!

I think so. They were supposed to leave, but they need the Jaws of Life to pry Charles Gibson's tongue out of 0bama's ass.

1194 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:03am

re: #1187 subsailor68

The Obama administration has decided to bolster efforts to support Somalia's embattled government by providing money for weapons and helping the military in neighboring Djibouti train Somali forces...

WTH? If I remember correctly, Somalia really doesn't have a government. It's a total mess. What's Obama gonna do, send a check with a letter that starts "To Whom It May Concern"?

He's going to help the Somali Navy Pirates

1195 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:05am

re: #1185 Desert Dog

Obama's lack of support for these people has made every despot and tin pot dictator around the world smile. He is more concerned about his preconceived notions of negotiations with the mad mullahs and Dinnerjacket. So, he sat there on his hands with his mouth shut when he should have been shouting from the highest hill in favor of the demonstrators. He thinks he has strengthened his position with the current leaders of Iran with this strategy. Instead, he had made it even worse that it was before...great job, Mr. President.

Very well said!

1196 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:07am

re: #1183 Occasional Reader

Well... the law tends to get rather irksome about that...

The law is a ass.

1197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:25am

re: #1177 MrSilverDragon

Mmm... that's good people...

I didn't like Soylent Green, but I heard it varies from person to person.

1198 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:32am

re: #1175 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


And while we're on the subject of berets, isn't it odd that the weeniest piece of head gear a man can wear in civilian life classifies him as a bad-ass in the military?

Maybe they're using the "Boy Called Sue" theory.

Taking that same theory to its logical extreme, our most elite Special Operations commando force should be something like the Pink Feather Boas Brigade.

1199 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:32am

re: #1155 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"The Type 97 is a mid-class saloon car..."

What's a saloon car, one that comes with its own mini-bar?

What we in the US call a "sedan", the Brits call a "saloon". They also pronounce "coupe" very oddly over there.

1200 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:45am

re: #1161 jcm

But what is the bread made from... ?

Government bread is... (sticks bloodied fist in air)... people!

Cue Beethoven's 6th.

1201 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:50am

re: #1175 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pffft. Up here all our military wear green berets. Except for armoured which where black, and airborne which wear maroon. So are we all special forces. ;)

/lot's of hilarious stories from training in Fort Drum.

1202 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:47:57am

re: #1179 FrogMarch

ah. Well, I knew that. Really - I did. ;-)
Although Michael did blur the line in other ways. He was a musical genius.
So many loved him. It's too bad he didn't feel comfortable in his own skin.

I didn't like him one ounce.

Yes, he was an amazing performer, and had a great support staff to make his on stage dreams come true. And he had a very good sense of what people wanted to hear, musically, and he managed to change his style with the different decades. All in all, an entertainment powerhouse, one of the best in the business.

As a person...

Feh. (and that's all it takes for me)

1203 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:06am

re: #1169 Occasional Reader

Well, all I can say is:

Take back ya mink
to from whence it came
And tell 'em to Hollanderize it
for some other dame...

/not that I'm a dame, iceweasel... we're clear on that now, right?

Maybe. :) I'm regarding you with some...flexibility.

1204 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:15am

re: #1132 iceweasel

Sharpton is a close student of a N.Y. thug named Sonny Carson, now dead, who specialized in race-baiting and going after Jewish schoolteachers in the NYC public school system with vile anti-semitism. Carson had a following in the black community in Brooklyn. He also liked to attack Korean grocery store owners who had shops in black neighborhoods. Sharpton's power arises from his ability to control 10% of the vote in a NYC Democratic primary, which often is the balance of power. Other than that, he has nothing.

Giuliani refused to meet further with Sharpton after Sharpton double-crossed the mayor by stabbing him the back at a press conference after a private meeting. Bloomberg, by contrast, has treated Sharpton with respect, and has bought him off. Bloomberg did the same for CAIR by putting their general counsel on his Human Rights Commission. Bloomberg is an appeaser by nature.

1205 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:16am

I read this on a tv-centric bulletin board. Idiocracy from MSNBC:

"We've seen many people using their cell phone cameras to document this event. Clearly it's on their minds that they're watching something that will never be repeated again. Michael Jackson will only die once... (snip) There are a lot of students down here, many of them not old enough to remember Michael Jackson at his height, his heyday, and yet many of them coming here to watch Michael Jackson...at least, the aura of Michael Jackson. Largely because I believe they know that this is a monsterously huge occasion, and this was a monsterously huge talent."

I think "Ow, My Balls!" will be on when the Jackson coverage ends.

1206 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:23am

re: #1200 DaddyG

Government bread is... (sticks bloodied fist in air)... people!

Cue Beethoven's 6th.

So where does government cheese come from?

1207 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:29am

re: #1175 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ah, I see. I just wish that the Army would go back to only letting Rangers wear the black beret. Letting everyone wear one is like giving everyone a trophy just for showing up.

And while we're on the subject of berets, isn't it odd that the weeniest piece of head gear a man can wear in civilian life classifies him as a bad-ass in the military?


Yes and Yes. Do the airborne guys still get to wear the red beret, do you know?

1208 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:45am

re: #1182 Creeping Eruption

Gives them practice.

Not so famous last words:

"Hey, pussy . . .yeah you . . .nice beret."

About 15 years ago down at Tacoma Mall in WA, just up the road from Ft. Lewis. A group of black gang bangers spotted 3 "skin heads" and decided to make and issue of things in the parking lot.

The made one little mistake.

Weren't skin heads, Green Berets.

The gang bangers once in their lives were happy to see the police show up.

1209 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:48am

re: #1167 DaddyG

According to Monty Pyhton, people aren't wearing enough hats. That's part of the meaning of life.

1210 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:53am
1211 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:48:57am

re: #1197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I didn't like Soylent Green, but I heard it varies from person to person.

heh. Good one.

1212 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:49:27am

Basij Militia driving truck through the Iranian protesters

1213 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:49:43am

re: #1173 CIA Reject

After ObamaCare passes it'll be made from Soylent Green

If the government starts passing out "Manwiches", I would be careful

1214 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:49:43am

re: #1173 CIA Reject

After ObamaCare passes it'll be made from Soylent Green

Dang I'm too slow. The hamsters in IE8 are struggling with the long threads.

1215 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:50:12am

re: #1188 DaddyG

Anyone here have a set of ivory handled super soaker dueling pistols filled with brandy?

Hmmm, no brandy. Will this do?

1216 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:50:21am

re: #1203 iceweasel

Maybe. :) I'm regarding you with some...flexibility.

I can assure you, I'm quite bi-incurious. In fact, I exhibit downright bi-ennui.

1217 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:50:29am

re: #1205 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think "Ow, My Balls!" will be on when the Jackson coverage ends.


ROFLMAO!

1218 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:50:33am

Wow, LGF still loading really slow for me this morning.

1219 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:03am

re: #1208 jcm

Maybe they thought you guys were French. q;

1220 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:06am

re: #1218 Killgore Trout

Wow, LGF still loading really slow for me this morning.

It just might be your internet provider?

1221 Danny  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:11am

Same here...slooow

1222 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:16am

re: #1187 subsailor68

"Blackhawk Down", a Clinton adventure, Part II./

1223 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:16am

re: #1192 irongrampa

Only hat I ever felt good about wearing was my tin pot.

And God bless you for that!

1224 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:22am

re: #1208 jcm

Oops.

1225 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:23am

re: #1207 realwest

Yes and Yes. Do the airborne guys still get to wear the red beret, do you know?

Yes, and the red beret is apparently very popular the world over.

1226 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:23am

re: #1212 Killgore Trout

How old is that video, do you know, KT?

1227 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:38am

re: #1205 Mad Al-Jaffee

I read this on a tv-centric bulletin board. Idiocracy from MSNBC:

"We've seen many people using their cell phone cameras to document this event. Clearly it's on their minds that they're watching something that will never be repeated again. Michael Jackson will only die once... (snip) There are a lot of students down here, many of them not old enough to remember Michael Jackson at his height, his heyday, and yet many of them coming here to watch Michael Jackson...at least, the aura of Michael Jackson. Largely because I believe they know that this is a monsterously huge occasion, and this was a monsterously huge talent."

I think "Ow, My Balls!" will be on when the Jackson coverage ends.

I think it was a conversation between Iceweasel and John Neverland where he used the term "turgid" and she preferred the term "torrid".

This is a perfect example of when the term "turgid" is appropriate, because that was clearly written by a tumescent dick.

1228 Danny  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:51:44am

OK Charles...get your ass outta bed and fix this shit!

1229 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:52:14am

re: #1198 Occasional Reader

Maybe they're using the "Boy Called Sue" theory.

Taking that same theory to its logical extreme, our most elite Special Operations commando force should be something like the Pink Feather Boas Brigade.


ROTFLMAO!

1230 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:52:16am

re: #1212 Killgore Trout

Basij Militia driving truck through the Iranian protesters


Like to show that to folks with "Violence Never Solved Anything" bumper stickers.

1231 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:52:19am

So Farah Fawcett dies and goes to heaven, and God says he'll grant her one wish.

She wishes for all the children in the world to be safe.

So God kills Michael Jackson.

/good evening, bad taste!

1232 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:52:42am

re: #1203 iceweasel

Maybe. :) I'm regarding you with some...flexibility.

hmmm, flexibility...

/this is going to hurt.

1233 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:52:55am

Galloway, Supreme Fubar & Hardliner Apologist Extraordiare - Election Results Legit:

1234 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:53:08am

re: #1204 quickjustice

Oh, good points! I had heard of the connection to SC but forgotten it or never paid attention to the details.

Fuck Al Sharpton, seriously. He's a cancer on the Democratic party in NYC and I am just amazed that anyone, anywhere, would listen to him after the Tawana Brawley shit. let alone the Freddy's Fashion Mart business.

I think Al Sharpton may be the only person in politics who I genuinely loathe. I have AS Derangement Syndrome, where others have BDS or ODS.

1235 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:53:42am

re: #1206 Kosh's Shadow

So where does government cheese come from?

Its extruded from Bureaucrats.

1236 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:53:44am

re: #1198 Occasional Reader

Maybe they're using the "Boy Called Sue" theory.

Taking that same theory to its logical extreme, our most elite Special Operations commando force should be something like the Pink Feather Boas Brigade.

"The kilt was only for day-to-day wear. In battle, ye wore a full-length gown covered with sequins. The idea was to blind your enemies with luxury."
/Groundskeeper Willie

1237 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:02am

re: #1230 jcm

Like to show that to folks with "Violence Never Solved Anything" bumper stickers.

I always wanted to walk up to one of those people and ask them whether they would like to put their theory to the test.

1238 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:05am

re: #1187 subsailor68

You remember correct. Think we have a problem? lol

1239 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:14am

re: #1208 jcm

Ft. Lewis is where our Special Ops Army guys hang out , correct?

1240 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:16am

re: #1228 Danny

*WHACK*

1241 irongrampa  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:18am

Anyone thinking there's been too much coverage on MJ thus far needs to go on vacation when his estate is being settled.

1242 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:24am

The Democrats lead by Obama throw the Iranians under the bus, throw the Koreans under the bus, throw the Jews under the bus, throw the Poles under the bus. Do you detect a pattern?

Why can't the Republican party take advantage of this and role up entrepreneurial immigrant groups?

1243 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:29am

re: #1235 DaddyG

Its extruded from Bureaucrats.

That makes it the opposite of head cheese, I guess.

1244 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:34am

re: #1231 laZardo

So Farah Fawcett dies and goes to heaven, and God says he'll grant her one wish.

She wishes for all the children in the world to be safe.

So God kills Michael Jackson.

/good evening, bad taste!

I want to upding & downding you for that. Wait, I can!

1245 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:50am

re: #1225 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes, and the red beret is apparently very popular the world over.

Ah, I knew I forgot one. Our MP's (thunder chickens) wear red berets now as well. Changed just when I was in my last years. Good for us when we were... out on the town. Spot them a mile off and beat a hasty retreat.

1246 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:54:56am

re: #1218 Killgore Trout

Wow, LGF still loading really slow for me this morning.

Bring up your task manager (if your using windows) and go to the tab "processes" and click on the column "CPU" so you can sort the list according to CPU usage.

See what processes are using up CPU resources. Write them down, and then google them. See if any of those processes are suspect of being viruses or something.

Some processes will be evident as to what they are and what they do (such as iexplorer.exe). Some will be more vague (such as syshost).

But, any process that seems to be hogging resources may be suspect.

See if that helps.

1247 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:55:07am

re: #1226 Desert Dog

Not sure.

1248 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:55:18am

re: #1218 Killgore Trout

Wow, LGF still loading really slow for me this morning.

Is it just LGF, or most websites.

1249 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:55:21am
1250 Erik The Red  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:55:36am

re: #1231 laZardo

So Farah Fawcett dies and goes to heaven, and God says he'll grant her one wish.

She wishes for all the children in the world to be safe.

So God kills Michael Jackson.

/good evening, bad taste!

Morning Lizards. There are so many of these flying around.

I did not really like MJ, but out of respect I will give him the 24 hour rule before I start telling them.

1251 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:55:38am

re: #1227 subsailor68

I think it was a conversation between Iceweasel and John Neverland where he used the term "turgid" and she preferred the term "torrid".

This is a perfect example of when the term "turgid" is appropriate, because that was clearly written by a tumescent dick.

Naughty! He used 'turgid", and I pointed out it usually means 'tumescent".
I suggested something like "torpid". To capture that it's the opposite of anything that would be torrid. :)

1252 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:55:42am

re: #1211 midwestgak

heh. Good one.

I stole it from Futurama.

1253 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:56:01am

re: #1216 Occasional Reader

In my youth, I was accused of being a latent heterosexual. ;-)

1254 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:56:04am

re: #1242 lifeofthemind

The Democrats lead by Obama throw the Iranians under the bus, throw the Koreans under the bus, throw the Jews under the bus, throw the Poles under the bus. Do you detect a pattern?

Why can't the Republican party take advantage of this and role up entrepreneurial immigrant groups?

Isn't what the amnesty program is for?

/-fraction

1255 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:56:53am

re: #1234 iceweasel

I think Al Sharpton may be the only person in politics who I genuinely loathe. I have AS Derangement Syndrome, where others have BDS or ODS.

You are not alone.

Remember that commercial from a few years back, where Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson sit on a couch on the beach and tell the viewer, "we may not agree on much, but we agree on the terrible threat of Global Warming"?

That's pretty much the best way to turn me OFF from a given cause... tell me that both Sharpton and Robertson are in favor of it.

1256 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:56:56am

re: #1225 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes, and the red beret is apparently very popular the world over.

AF PJs have a black beret, and blouse their fatigues in their boots.

1257 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:57:20am

re: #1225 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes, and the red beret is apparently very popular the world over.


What about the rasberry Beret?

1258 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:57:24am

re: #1251 iceweasel

Naughty! He used 'turgid", and I pointed out it usually means 'tumescent".
I suggested something like "torpid". To capture that it's the opposite of anything that would be torrid. :)

Oops. Forgot it was "torpid" not torrid.

:-)

1259 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:57:35am

re: #1248 Walter L. Newton

Is it just LGF, or most websites.

My T-1 is zooming right along...I have a bunch of websites up and I am logged into two AS400's...It was slow at home this morning though

1260 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:02am

re: #1231 laZardo

Oooh, bad, but I liked it.

I forget who made the comment about two famous white women dying yesterday, but I used that one last night at the gym. Got mixed results, but even the girl who said "That's bad!" was smiling when she said it.

1261 whiterasta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:07am

re: #1255 Occasional Reader

The village idiot and his brother...

1262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:08am

re: #1257 DaddyG

What about the rasberry Beret?

The kind you find in a second-hand store?

1263 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:09am

re: #1253 quickjustice

In my youth, I was accused of being a latent heterosexual. ;-)

Yep. I once had a crush on a lesbian...And her girlfriend.

1264 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:18am

re: #1239 quickjustice

Ft. Lewis is where our Special Ops Army guys hang out , correct?

1st Special Forces Group.

1265 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:40am

Pajamas Media just came back after 6 hours down

1266 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:42am

re: #1218 Killgore Trout

Wow, LGF still loading really slow for me this morning.

Yesterday was alleged to be causing problems with web speed because of MJ's death and the attention it drew. I'm having trouble loading most sites today as well.

1267 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:47am

re: #1239 quickjustice

Ft. Lewis is where our Special Ops Army guys hang out , correct?

Many different locations.

1268 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:51am

re: #1260 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's 21st Century humor for you.

People are only offended if they're not offended.

1269 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:58:58am

re: #1243 Kosh's Shadow Well played. You win this round!

1270 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:59:30am

re: #1236 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Donald where's your trousers?

1271 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:59:30am

re: #1256 jcm

AF PJs have a black beret, and blouse their fatigues in their boots.

If they're fatigued, no wonder they're wearing PJs.

1272 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:59:37am

re: #1255 Occasional Reader

You are not alone.

Remember that commercial from a few years back, where Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson sit on a couch on the beach and tell the viewer, "we may not agree on much, but we agree on the terrible threat of Global Warming"?

That's pretty much the best way to turn me OFF from a given cause... tell me that both Sharpton and Robertson are in favor of it.

I don't remember it-- I think I was probably not in the US-- but I can agree with you that pretty much all I need to do is see Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson on a sofa together to want to switch off. And if they agree on something that's just giving it the Crazy Housekeeping Seal of Approval.

1273 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 8:59:40am

re: #1268 laZardo

That's 21st Century humor for you.

People are only offended if they're not offended.

Whoa. You just blew my mind.

1274 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:00:16am

re: #1262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The kind you find in a second-hand store?

And if it was warm, she wouldn't wear much more.

1275 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:00:49am

re: #1263 VegasRick

Yep. I once had a crush on a lesbian...And her girlfriend.

You were just doing your best to convert them both to liking guys? At the same time, perhaps? That's God's work there, Rick...keep up the good work! Send picture of your progress, will ya? ;-)

1276 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:01:10am

re: #1272 iceweasel

I don't remember it-- I think I was probably not in the US-- but I can agree with you that pretty much all I need to do is see Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson on a sofa together to want to switch off. And if they agree on something that's just giving it the Crazy Housekeeping Seal of Approval.

1277 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:01:38am

re: #1274 Honorary Yooper

And if it was warm, she wouldn't wear much more.

I always have to laugh when I hear that song, since it was the favorite song of my uncle, who is a tattoo-covered metal head.

1278 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:01:40am

re: #1258 subsailor68

Oops. Forgot it was "torpid" not torrid.

:-)

Not at all; I was making the same point as you, really--he'd used " turgid" to describe someone's prose, and I was pointing out that tho the author was certainly a dick, it was giving him too much credit to call his prose "turgid".

hee.

1279 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:01:43am

re: #1271 Occasional Reader

If they're fatigued, no wonder they're wearing PJs.

HAH!

I'll pass your witticism on to them...

;-)

1280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:02:22am

re: #1263 VegasRick

Yep. I once had a crush on a lesbian...And her girlfriend.

Dear Penthouse: I know this story sounds made-up...

1281 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:02:54am

re: #1279 jcm

HAH!

I'll pass your witticism on to them...

;-)


Don't forget to give them his name and address while you're at it!
/ducks to avoid incoming grapefruit half!

1282 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:03:01am

re: #1265 lifeofthemind

Hmmm...Maybe the interweb is busted.

1283 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:03:01am

re: #1276 Walter L. Newton

Ehhh, if there was ever a good time for a "rogue tsunami" to hit, that was it.

1284 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:03:48am

re: #1276 Walter L. Newton

I updinged you but I just can't watch it. I tried. :(

1285 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:03:52am

re: #1275 Desert Dog

You were just doing your best to convert them both to liking guys? At the same time, perhaps? That's God's work there, Rick...keep up the good work! Send picture of your progress, will ya? ;-)

Thank you sir! I'm always willing to help.

1286 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:04:25am

re: #1284 iceweasel

I updinged you but I just can't watch it. I tried. :(

I just posted it as a FYI.

1287 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:04:29am

Well, this isn't good:

House Democrats win key test vote on climate bill

From the article:

"The bill contains provisions to protect consumers, keep costs low, help sensitive industries transition to a clean energy economy and promote domestic emission reduction efforts," the White House in a statement of support for the legislation.

This, boys and girls, is what's known as a "lie".

1288 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:04:41am

re: #1280 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Dear Penthouse: I know this story sounds made-up...

Dear Penthouse, I never thought I would be writing to you, but...

1289 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:04:44am

re: #1271 Occasional Reader

If they're fatigued, no wonder they're wearing PJs.

Who's wearing black pajamas, Dude?
/Donny, The Big Lebowski

1290 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:04:49am

re: #1279 jcm

HAH!

I'll pass your witticism on to them...

;-)

I was on a flight to Bogota once, and sat next to a guy who was a former PJ (he said so, anyway, and sounded convincing).

He mentioned how he hated going to Bogota for work, because of kidnap threat, etc.; and was basically going to stay as little as possible, and head straight home on the evening flight the next day.

Me, I was planning to stay the weekend and hit the town.

Conclusion: I am more of a badass than are USAF PJs.

//

1291 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:04:55am

re: #1263 VegasRick

I dated a self-professed lesbian many years ago. Very pretty lady. She claimed that had she met me earlier, she would have stayed straight. Total B.S. designed to mess with my head. School of hard knocks for me!

1292 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:05:25am

re: #1257 DaddyG

What about the rasberry Beret?

Now that's a Princely sort of headwear!

1293 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:06:17am

Time for lunch

1294 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:06:25am

re: #1287 subsailor68
Hey sub "This, boys and girls, is what's known as a "big damn lie".
Was gonna say something else, but the boys and girls part threw me off!

1295 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:06:25am

re: #1292 eschew_obfuscation

Now that's a Princely sort of headwear!

He wears it when he drives his little red corvette

1296 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:06:47am

re: #1291 quickjustice

I dated a self-professed lesbian many years ago. Very pretty lady. She claimed that had she met me earlier, she would have stayed straight. Total B.S. designed to mess with my head. School of hard knocks for me!

I have a lesbian 2 lesbian couples that I treat and, well, I think about them often.

1297 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:07:00am

You want to hear a spin? I just heard a short one paragraph report on the radio that "savings" were up because of the economic recovery.

Really.

I can't find a single report that this is true. But I can find a number of current reports that savings is up because PEOPLE ARE PUTTING MONEY AWAY because they are scared to spend it.

See how this works?

1298 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:07:00am

re: #1291 quickjustice

I dated a self-professed lesbian many years ago. Very pretty lady. She claimed that had she met me earlier, she would have stayed straight. Total B.S. designed to mess with my head. School of hard knocks for me!

You could always have paraphrased Churchill:

"And if I'd me you earlier my dear, I believe I would have turned gay."

1299 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:07:10am

re: #1260 Mad Al-Jaffee

Oooh, bad, but I liked it.

I forget who made the comment about two famous white women dying yesterday, but I used that one last night at the gym. Got mixed results, but even the girl who said "That's bad!" was smiling when she said it.


That would have been my "Bad day for white women popular in the 70's and 80's. My wife was trying hard not to laugh when I tried it at home.

1300 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:07:25am

re: #1290 Occasional Reader

I was on a flight to Bogota once, and sat next to a guy who was a former PJ (he said so, anyway, and sounded convincing).

He mentioned how he hated going to Bogota for work, because of kidnap threat, etc.; and was basically going to stay as little as possible, and head straight home on the evening flight the next day.

Me, I was planning to stay the weekend and hit the town.

Conclusion: I am more of a badass than are USAF PJs.

//


Or he had more intelligence? Wanted to go air force when I was younger, the lure of clean sheets every night and porcelain flushers was the draw.

1301 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:08:10am

re: #1298 subsailor68

rats! me = met. Sigh.

1302 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:09:21am

WTH? Takes me all morning long to catch up and nobody's out here?!

1303 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:09:24am

re: #1295 Creeping Eruption

He wears it when he drives his little red corvette

FCBBHO is partying like it's 1939.

1304 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:09:33am

re: #1287 subsailor68

Well, this isn't good:

House Democrats win key test vote on climate bill

From the article:

"The bill contains provisions to protect consumers, keep costs low, help sensitive industries transition to a clean energy economy and promote domestic emission reduction efforts," the White House in a statement of support for the legislation.

This, boys and girls, is what's known as a "lie".

I'm never sure whether such things are "lies" or "gross ignorance"... I know the economic IQ of many of these folks is one point above Moron...

1305 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:10:00am

re: #1300 BlueCanuck

Or he had more intelligence?

I had excellent intelligence regarding a young lady in Bogota named Alba who was looking forward to seeing me that weekend. That was all the intelligence I needed.

1306 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:10:32am

re: #1302 realwest

WTH? Takes me all morning long to catch up and nobody's out here?!

Present. How you doing real?

1307 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:10:33am

re: #1285 VegasRick

Thank you sir! I'm always willing to help.

Most of the women that I knew in high school & college were lesbians.
They wouldn't go out with me, so you know, they had to be lesbians, right?

1308 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:11:18am

re: #1295 Creeping Eruption

He wears it when he drives his little red corvette

And, this is what is sounds like when doves cry...

1309 pbird  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:11:29am

re: #1307 opnion

Most of the women that I knew in high school & college were lesbians.
They wouldn't go out with me, so you know, they had to be lesbians, right?

That sounds about right, speaking from the other side of that equation.

1310 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:11:46am

re: #1305 Occasional Reader

I had excellent intelligence regarding a young lady in Bogota named Alba who was looking forward to seeing me that weekend. That was all the intelligence I needed.


Heh. THat's thinking with the old head!

1311 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:11:49am

re: #1287 subsailor68

Well, this isn't good:

House Democrats win key test vote on climate bill

From the article:

"The bill contains provisions to protect consumers, keep costs low, help sensitive industries transition to a clean energy economy and promote domestic emission reduction efforts," the White House in a statement of support for the legislation.

This, boys and girls, is what's known as a "lie".

It's a big-assed honkin' lie.

1312 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:11:54am

re: #1307 opnion

Most of the women that I knew in high school & college were lesbians.
They wouldn't go out with me, so you know, they had to be lesbians, right?

We must have known the same women?

1313 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:11:56am

re: #1288 iceweasel

Dear Penthouse, I never thought I would be writing to you, but...

You sound like you're pretty familiar with penthouse "Letters".

1314 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:11:57am

re: #1298 subsailor68

LMAO!

1315 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:12:08am

I am going to try to check this out over the weekend, but I thought many would find it an interesting link:
Judge Sotomayor: A CRS Analysis of Selected Opinions

1316 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:12:12am

re: #1304 eschew_obfuscation

I'm never sure whether such things are "lies" or "gross ignorance"... I know the economic IQ of many of these folks is one point above Moron...


Well let's see here: the original bill was 1200 pages long and this morning Henry Waxman (D California) added a 300 page addendum. Odds that anyone read the entire original bill - next to zero. Odds that anyone read the Waxman amendment - zero.
Yup folks OUR government at work: Democrats you OWN IT.

1317 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:12:21am

re: #1302 realwest

WTH? Takes me all morning long to catch up and nobody's out here?!

Hmm, thought I'd said good morning, but can't find that post. (I get the spinning wheel of death and have to refresh.) So...

Hi RW! Good morning! I hope it's a great Friday for ya!

1318 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:12:26am

re: #1304 eschew_obfuscation

I'm never sure whether such things are "lies" or "gross ignorance"... I know the economic IQ of many of these folks is one point above Moron...

Trust me they know it's all lies. That's why so few congress critters actually read the bills they vote on anymore. If you don't actually read the 1,300 pages, you can honestly say you did not know what was in the bill. Blaming your assistant for not "informing" you of "key provisions" is so much easier and less messy when these things blow up, like they did with the AIG bonus thingys.

1319 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:12:38am

re: #1313 VegasRick

You sound like you're pretty familiar with penthouse "Letters".

He never said "Letters." BUSTED!

1320 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:12:56am

re: #1309 pbird

That sounds about right, speaking from the other side of that equation.


I kbnew it!

1321 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:12:59am

re: #1291 quickjustice

I dated a self-professed lesbian many years ago

Right here is when I knew the story would end with "she was messing with my head."

Women who claim to be lesbians, yet date men, are just as messed up as women who claim to be 'bi', but are really straight and just want to play a little. It's head-fuckery, basically.

1322 Erik The Red  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:13:15am

re: #1307 opnion

Most of the women that I knew in high school & college were lesbians.
They wouldn't go out with me, so you know, they had to be lesbians, right?

My BIL has 2 sisters who are both lesbians. His dad used to say that his 3 kids had one thing in common. They all loved pussy.

1323 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #1296 Nevergiveup

I have a lesbian 2 lesbian couples that I treat and, well, I think about them often.

Whitest teeth you ever cum across?

1324 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:13:35am

re: #1306 midwestgak
Hey there gak! I'm just killing time until I get to go get my root canal done!
How are you today?

1325 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:13:56am

re: #1313 VegasRick

You sound like you're pretty familiar with penthouse "Letters".

Sounds like you are too, or else how would you know? :)

1326 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:13:58am

re: #1288 iceweasel

Penthouse? And I thought you were classy! ;-)

1327 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:14:01am

re: #1316 realwest

Well let's see here: the original bill was 1200 pages long and this morning Henry Waxman (D California) added a 300 page addendum. Odds that anyone read the entire original bill - next to zero. Odds that anyone read the Waxman amendment - zero.
Yup folks OUR government at work: Democrats you OWN IT.

But the Bush administration put the country in the problematic energy position that it is now in, so the Democrats have no other choice but to create a stop gap such as this bill.
/

1328 opnion  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:14:24am

re: #1312 Nevergiveup

We must have known the same women?

We just had bad luck, cause hetro chicks would have loved us.

1329 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:14:27am

re: #1291 quickjustice

I once dated a bisexual girl who was a Smith college student and a member of the Smith Republicans. Not a very popular group on that campus.

1330 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:14:57am

re: #1327 Walter L. Newton

But the Bush administration put the country in the problematic energy position that it is now in, so the Democrats have no other choice but to create a stop gap such as this bill.
/

Good one...deflection and misdirection are usually very effective. Especially if it is delivered with a straight face.

1331 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:15:37am
1332 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:16:01am

re: #1329 Mad Al-Jaffee

I once dated a bisexual girl who was a Smith college student and a member of the Smith Republicans. Not a very popular group on that campus.

Actually, I've heard that a lot of lesbians are very pro-Bush.

/

1333 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:16:06am

re: #1331 buzzsawmonkey

Won't somebody please think of the children?

Ok, I thought of them, what do you want me to do next?

1334 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:16:08am

re: #1307 opnion

Most of the women that I knew in high school & college were lesbians.
They wouldn't go out with me, so you know, they had to be lesbians, right?

LOL!
Scarface. "LESBIAN!"

1335 razorbacker  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:16:39am

re: #1318 JohnnyReb

Trust me they know it's all lies. That's why so few congress critters actually read the bills they vote on anymore. If you don't actually read the 1,300 pages, you can honestly say you did not know what was in the bill. Blaming your assistant for not "informing" you of "key provisions" is so much easier and less messy when these things blow up, like they did with the AIG bonus thingys.

"Really? Does that assistant still work for you?"

*Among the questions asked only in razorbackerworld, sadly*

1336 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:16:40am
1337 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:16:51am

re: #1334 VegasRick

LOL!
Scarface. "LESBIAN!"

You almost have the accent right./

1338 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:16:56am

re: #1328 opnion

We just had bad luck, cause hetro chicks would have loved us.

Because we were wild and crazy guys!

1339 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:17:20am

re: #1324 realwest

Hey there gak! I'm just killing time until I get to go get my root canal done!
How are you today?

Doing well, thanks. Root canals are not the hellish experience they used to be. Novocaine rocks.

1340 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:17:30am

re: #1317 subsailor68
Why thank you sub - I hope you're doing well today!
I'm just killing some time before I finally get to the dentist to get my root canal done!

1341 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:17:49am

re: #1325 iceweasel

Sounds like you are too, or else how would you know? :)

The key thing to remember: Penthouse Letters are intended as comedy, not eroticism. Men in general do not get turned on by erotic writing.

(My theory, anyway.)

1342 Danny  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:18:28am

Looks like LGF really needs a new thread. Badly.

1343 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:18:29am

re: #1332 Occasional Reader

Actually, I've heard that a lot of lesbians are very pro-Bush.

/

Bill Clinton was surrounded by Bush.

1344 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:18:57am

re: #1340 realwest

Why thank you sub - I hope you're doing well today!
I'm just killing some time before I finally get to the dentist to get my root canal done!

I hope your dentist is as good as mine! I had one a year or so ago, and there was hardly any discomfort at all...even after the procedure. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya!

1345 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:00am

re: #1329 Mad Al-Jaffee

I once dated a bisexual girl who was a Smith college student and a member of the Smith Republicans. Not a very popular group on that campus.

It's wellknown that all women attending a liberal arts college or an Ivy must major in being a lesbian in their junior year.

I'm not making this up. America's finest news source reported on it years ago.

Lesbian Idenitity Ends Abruptly Mid Junior Year

1346 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:04am

re: #1334 VegasRick

LOL!
Scarface. "LESBIAN!"

"First you get the money. Then, you get the power. Then, you get the woman." - Rosie O'Donnell

1347 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:14am

re: #1047 DisturbedEma

Because he did not wear them? I don't get it. . .

He's credited with ending the habit of men wearing hats, since he didn't wear one himself. The only pictures I've seen of him wearing one (after his Naval service, that is) are from his inauguration.

1348 DisturbedEma  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:19am

re: #1127 Occasional Reader

People have actually said that to you?! Disgusting.

Especially given his "deformity" was treatable. . .he had VSD- ventricular septal defect. . .one of the more serious complications. . .but treatable! After Yudi was dxed with autism, we had 3 more kids, and so MANY people said 'why would you DO such a thing? What if the next ones are brain damaged too?!?"

And they were family! sigh

1349 pbird  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:20am

re: #1341 Occasional Reader

The key thing to remember: Penthouse Letters are intended as comedy, not eroticism. Men in general do not get turned on by erotic writing.

(My theory, anyway.)

Somebody tell my husband that. The turkey.

1350 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:20am

re: #1339 midwestgak

Doing well, thanks. Root canals are not the hellish experience they used to be. Novocaine rocks.

I had my one and (so far) only root canal about 3 years ago. I won't say it was exactly fun, but I was surprised by how relatively painless it was.

1351 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:27am

re: #1325 iceweasel

Sounds like you are too, or else how would you know? :)

Had to upding ya for that!

1352 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:35am

re: #1344 subsailor68

I hope your dentist is as good as mine! I had one a year or so ago, and there was hardly any discomfort at all...even after the procedure. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya!

All the Root Canals I do are painless. I never feel a thing?

1353 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:19:42am

OT
LIVE
Obama-Merkel press conference. I

Iran's thugs won't get an apology from President, we didn't MEDDLE as accused, so perhaps Achmedinejad should apologize to the Iranian protesters and their families.

GITMO: we are so ashamed of ourselves and we will close it.

(As if these two issues are of equal importance )

1354 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:20:01am

Bend over and get your ass ready, here comes the next screwing...

"


FILE -- In this June 18, 2009 file photo, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Cal...


Right Pundit Attempts to Read 1200-Page Cap-and-Trade Bill Before Friday’s Vote

Heritage Foundation Asks: Cap and Trade - Will It Save the Earth?

"WASHINGTON (AP) - House Democrats narrowly won a key test vote Friday on sweeping legislation to combat global warming and usher in a new era of cleaner energy. Republicans said the bill included "the largest tax increase in American history."
The vote was 217-205 to advance the White House-backed legislation to the floor, and 30 Democrats defected, a reflection of the controversy the bill sparked."

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Does that feel good?

1355 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:20:31am

re: #1343 VegasRick

Bill Clinton was surrounded by Bush.

MSN headline:

RIGHTWING BLOG CLAIMS BILL CLINTON IS A LESBIAN

1356 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:20:34am

re: #1327 Walter L. Newton

But the Bush administration put the country in the problematic energy position that it is now in, so the Democrats have no other choice but to create a stop gap such as this bill.
/


LOL! That 1200 page bill, the 300 page amendment and the 1300 page stimulus bill could stop up a gap in the Hoover Dam!

1357 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:21:03am

re: #1079 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Remember that little thingy about inspecting ships and North Korea? US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship

'Can we please inspect your ship?'
'No!'
'Oh...ok. Have a nice day and safe trip.'

"Oh, and watch out for pirates."

1358 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:21:18am

re: #1307 opnion

This a version of the ancient joke: "Polls show that 85% of college women are sexually active. Why is it that I always dated the other 15%?"

1359 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:21:21am
1360 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:21:25am

Gov. Sanford must be kicking himself.
If he had waited a few days before going to Argentina, no one would have noticed, with the wall-to-wall coverage of Michael Jackson's death.

1361 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:21:25am

re: #1356 realwest

LOL! That 1200 page bill, the 300 page amendment and the 1300 page stimulus bill could stop up a gap in the Hoover Dam!

Nope, can't have dams, they are bad for the environment.

1362 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:21:37am

re: #1352 Nevergiveup

All the Root Canals I do are painless. I never feel a thing?

LOL! Reminds me of the old joke about a woman in the dentist's chair. Just before the dentist starts the root canal, she grabs him by the crotch and says, "Now, we're not going to hurt each other are we?"

1363 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:21:59am

re: #1348 DisturbedEma

Especially given his "deformity" was treatable. . .he had VSD- ventricular septal defect. . .one of the more serious complications. . .but treatable! After Yudi was dxed with autism, we had 3 more kids, and so MANY people said 'why would you DO such a thing? What if the next ones are brain damaged too?!?"

And they were family! sigh

Family thinks because they are family that they can say anything. I tend to remind them that the only one with Carte Blanch is my wife. Fuck em'

1364 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:22:02am

re: #1360 Kosh's Shadow

Gov. Sanford must be kicking himself.
If he had waited a few days before going to Argentina, no one would have noticed, with the wall-to-wall coverage of Michael Jackson's death.

Gov. who?

1365 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:22:17am

re: #1290 Occasional Reader

I was on a flight to Bogota once, and sat next to a guy who was a former PJ (he said so, anyway, and sounded convincing).

He mentioned how he hated going to Bogota for work, because of kidnap threat, etc.; and was basically going to stay as little as possible, and head straight home on the evening flight the next day.

Me, I was planning to stay the weekend and hit the town.

Conclusion: I am more of a badass than are USAF PJs.

//

LOL, PJs the combat arms are secondary to the primary mission. But when you're silly enough to leave a perfectly good helicopter behind and run around behind enemy lines looking for a pilot dumb enough to get shot down, such skills come in handy.

1366 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:22:33am

re: #1339 midwestgak

Doing well, thanks. Root canals are not the hellish experience they used to be. Novocaine rocks.

Well since this will be m 5th root canal in 4 years (thank you cancer and cancer meds!) I must disagree. But the relief AFTER the root canal is over is just WONDERFUL!

1367 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:22:48am

re: #1329 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hillary Rodham Clinton was President of the Wellesley College Republicans. 'Nuff said.

1368 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:23:41am

re: #1367 quickjustice

Hillary Rodham Clinton was President of the Wellesley College Republicans. 'Nuff said.

Correction

Hillary Rodham Clinton was President of the Wellesley College Republicans. 'NuffMuff said.

1369 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:23:59am

re: #1357 Ward Cleaver

"Oh, and watch out for pirates."

* * *
Also, first the USS McCain was tailing that NORK ship, now it's some other ship.

(Did Pres. Obama ask the Navy to get McCain off North Korea's tail?)

I wouldn't put it past them given Pres. Obama's refusal to acknowledge he had to talk tougher against Iran because McCain, Graham and other GOP folks did it first.

1370 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:24:03am

re: #1361 Walter L. Newton

Nope, can't have dams, they are bad for the environment.

I think Dems are much worse than Dams...Damn Dems, especially

1371 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:24:11am

re: #1353 alegrias

OT
LIVE
Obama-Merkel press conference. I

Iran's thugs won't get an apology from President, we didn't MEDDLE as accused, so perhaps Achmedinejad should apologize to the Iranian protesters and their families.

GITMO: we are so ashamed of ourselves and we will close it.

(As if these two issues are of equal importance )

I think I'll just wander off and vomit especially as Germany won't do a thing which might affect their trade or relationship with the Mullah's - notice how quiet they've been.

1372 axegrinder  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:24:16am

re: #1354 Walter L. Newton

Please pass Vaseline...

1373 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:24:25am

re: #1367 quickjustice

Hillary Rodham Clinton was President of the Wellesley College Republicans. 'Nuff said.

That was before Republicans were anti-intellectual, ignorant with no education, creationists, pro-life, and ultra right wing wing ideologues. Just ask Avanti.

1374 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:24:26am

re: #1329 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have to ask a personal question here, Al-- are you female? ;-)

1375 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:24:55am

re: #1341 Occasional Reader

The key thing to remember: Penthouse Letters are intended as comedy, not eroticism.

Oh, I know that. At least, women read them as comedy. The women I know.

Men in general do not get turned on by erotic writing.

You're reading the wrong things. :)

1376 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:24:59am

re: #1368 Walter L. Newton

Correction

Hillary Rodham Clinton was President of the Wellesley College Republicans. 'NuffMuff said.

Muff Said? LOL! That sounds like the captain of the Egyptian cheerleading squad.

1377 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:25:03am

re: #1369 alegrias

* * *
Also, first the USS McCain was tailing that NORK ship, now it's some other ship.

(Did Pres. Obama ask the Navy to get McCain off North Korea's tail?)

I wouldn't put it past them given Pres. Obama's refusal to acknowledge he had to talk tougher against Iran because McCain, Graham and other GOP folks did it first.

I would not be surprised if Obama sent out the USS Jimmah Carter to intercept the Nork ship.

1378 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:25:05am

re: #1368 Walter L. Newton

Correction

Hillary Rodham Clinton was President of the Wellesley College Republicans. 'NuffMuff said.

Bout to do that myself! I think her nickname was "Rod".

1379 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:25:15am

re: #1369 alegrias
Good morning alegrias! Do you know what other ship it is that replaced the USS John S. McClain?

1380 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:25:17am

Correspondence done. Stationery ordered. Site visit time blocked. Various applicants sufficiently intimidated to leave me alone for a couple weeks.

I need coffee.

1381 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:25:18am

re: #1357 Ward Cleaver

"Oh, and watch out for pirates."

That explains Obama's outreach to the Somali government. He's going to get their navy pirates to search all North Korean ships.
/that would be a cunning plan

1382 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:25:55am

re: #1366 realwest

Well since this will be m 5th root canal in 4 years (thank you cancer and cancer meds!) I must disagree. But the relief AFTER the root canal is over is just WONDERFUL!

* * * *
Realwest,
Thank you for encouraging people here to get their teeth looked at! Hope you're well.

1383 Sizzlack  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:26:28am

Does Henry Waxman have some sort of medical condition or is it just poor genetics that make him seriously look like a ratman?

Waxman vs. Ratman

1384 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:26:54am

re: #1361 Walter L. Newton

Nope, can't have dams, they are bad for the environment.

WA State pass a bill requiring an ever increasing percentage of energy come from "renewable" sources.

80% of our power comes from hydroelectric.

Hydroelectric is not "renewable" in the bill.

1385 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:27:03am

re: #1374 quickjustice

I have to ask a personal question here, Al-- are you female? ;-)

No, I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

1386 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:27:06am

re: #1373 Nevergiveup

I have a question. If I pay for the parts, can I get a dentist to do work just for the cost of labor?

1387 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:27:17am

re: #1381 Kosh's Shadow

That explains Obama's outreach to the Somali government. He's going to get their navy pirates to search all North Korean ships.
/that would be a cunning plan

Giant upding for the Baldrick reference.

1388 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:27:24am

re: #1377 Desert Dog

I would not be surprised if Obama sent out the USS Jimmah Carter to intercept the Nork ship.

The submarine?

1389 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:27:37am

I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

1390 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:28:10am

re: #1383 Sizzlack

Does Henry Waxman have some sort of medical condition or is it just poor genetics that make him seriously look like a ratman?

Waxman vs. Ratman

The sad thing is this. Waxman really looks like that. Ratboy is a hoax.

1391 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:28:12am

re: #1379 realwest

Good morning alegrias! Do you know what other ship it is that replaced the USS John S. McClain?

* * * *
G'day! No, I didn't catch the name of the ship tracking the NORKs but it didn't sound like the USS McCain anymore.

1392 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:28:21am

re: #1384 jcm

WA State pass a bill requiring an ever increasing percentage of energy come from "renewable" sources.

80% of our power comes from hydroelectric.

Hydroelectric is not "renewable" in the bill.


Hey not to worry, Washington state has a butt ton of solar to capture there.

1393 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:28:26am

re: #1382 alegrias

* * * *
Realwest,
Thank you for encouraging people here to get their teeth looked at! Hope you're well.


Thanks but I actually post about my health out here mostly to encourage people with cancer to not be afraid to talk about it and all of it's ramifications.
The teeth - well, it's kinda hard to overlook this POUNDING DAMN PAIN in my jaw! LOL!

1394 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:28:49am

re: #1385 Mad Al-Jaffee Dang too slow again.

1395 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:29:25am

re: #1392 JohnnyReb

Hey not to worry, Washington state has a butt ton of solar to capture there.

Ass if. They could have an easier time trying to harness the breeze.

1396 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:29:41am

re: #1392 JohnnyReb

Hey not to worry, Washington state has a butt ton of solar to capture there.

Maybe they should build giant water wheels to capture the power from the falling rain.
/

1397 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:29:52am

Obama is not using a teleprompter. Obviously. E, e, e, I, I. Not as good as the farmer in the dell.

1398 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:30:00am

re: #1384 jcm

WA State pass a bill requiring an ever increasing percentage of energy come from "renewable" sources.

80% of our power comes from hydroelectric.

Hydroelectric is not "renewable" in the bill.

Guess the legislature there has never heard of rain and snow!

1399 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:30:02am

re: #1395 laZardo

Ass if. They could have an easier time trying to harness the breeze.

/solar powered wind farm?

1400 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:30:12am

Breaking news...

Sidewalk caves in where mob of mourning fans were standing on Michael Jackson's Hollywood Blvd. Star.

1401 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:30:16am

re: #1386 Walter L. Newton

I have a question. If I pay for the parts, can I get a dentist to do work just for the cost of labor?

You mean if you pay for the lab bill will he do it for the cost of his/her labor. Yeah, I am sure. It's usually called his "fee". Hey if you were up here, I'd help ya out. Maybe there is some Dentist there who has a daughter or son who is trying to get a start in acting and could us some "protection". Then you could barter?

1402 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:30:52am

We should really all pitch in and buy Charles a better alarm clock or a stationary bike.

1403 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:30:56am

re: #1341 Occasional Reader

What? You didn't get turned on by "Lady Chatterly's Lover" as a pre-teen?

1404 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:31:05am

re: #1396 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe they should build giant water wheels to capture the power from the falling rain.
/

If they could ever figure out a way to turn Bullsh*t into energy, we'd be set for 1,000,000 years

1405 legalpad  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:31:14am

I have to jump in just a second here before I go - Obama on TV with Merkel stammering like a junior high school kid. Talk about on the job training.

1406 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:31:29am

re: #1352 Nevergiveup

All the Root Canals I do are painless. I never feel a thing?


I once heard that the reason they were so painful was that the dentist needed to know when he had found the nerve... sounds like either that was wrong or things have somehow changed?

1407 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:31:36am

re: #1399 Creeping Eruption

/wasn't PIMF. :3

1408 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:31:39am

re: #1384 jcm
"Hydroelectric is not "renewable" in the bill."
Well of course it isn't jcm - hell you guys only get about 180" of rain a year - why dam it up to use for generating electricity when y'all need to wash your cars and beach gear and all?!?

1409 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:31:39am

re: #1388 JohnnyReb

The submarine?

Spec ops sub. Replace the Parche at Bangor.

1410 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:32:05am

re: #1407 laZardo

Didn't think so.

1411 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:32:10am

re: #1403 quickjustice

What? You didn't get turned on by "Lady Chatterly's Lover" as a pre-teen?

Time for a Tom Lehrer song, Smut

1412 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:32:21am

The Mainstreaming of Ron Paul continues...
Jim Bunning and Ron Paul: Fed trendsetters?

Paul and Bunning — viewed by their colleagues as among the most eccentric members of Congress — were anti-Fed before anti-Fed was cool.

Paul, a Republican representative from Texas, has railed against the Federal Reserve for so long that his supporters sometimes chanted “End the Fed! End the Fed!” at rallies during his long-shot 2008 presidential run.

Bunning, a Republican senator from Kentucky, hates the Fed so much that he compared it — unfavorably — with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez when it bailed out the insurance giant American International Group last year.

The two were outliers then, but they aren’t now.
...
Paul says he’s happy to have his colleagues jump aboard his bandwagon.

“I feel pretty good about it,” Paul told POLITICO.

Paul doesn’t claim responsibility for the anti-Fed movement on the Hill. “I don’t think it’s me so much as the circumstances,” he said. And he readily admits that his real goal — abolishing the Fed altogether — still faces plenty of resistance.

1413 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:32:33am

re: #1402 DaddyG

We should really all pitch in and buy Charles a better alarm clock or a stationary bike.

has it occurred to any of you that maybe, just maybe, Charles has a hot babe in bed with him and well LGF ain't all that important right now?

1414 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:32:36am

re: #1387 subsailor68

Giant upding for the Baldrick reference.

ooh, I'd missed that, and I love baldrick so!

"as cunning as a fox wot's just been made chair of cunning at Cunning University"

1415 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:32:57am

re: #1401 Nevergiveup

You mean if you pay for the lab bill will he do it for the cost of his/her labor. Yeah, I am sure. It's usually called his "fee". Hey if you were up here, I'd help ya out. Maybe there is some Dentist there who has a daughter or son who is trying to get a start in acting and could us some "protection". Then you could barter?

I was sort of making a joke. The last thing I need is a bridge with 3 "phony" teeth put in. I've been paying out of pocket for a couple of years, a little at a time, upper dentures, some lower fillings, pullings and I am almost done, about 1400 dollars away. Actually, I should be able to get that taken care of in the next six months.

1416 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:32:57am

re: #1400 Walter L. Newton

Breaking news...

Sidewalk caves in where mob of mourning fans were standing on Michael Jackson's Hollywood Blvd. Star.


Cue Weird Als "Eat It".

1417 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:33:10am

re: #1384 jcm

WA State pass a bill requiring an ever increasing percentage of energy come from "renewable" sources.

80% of our power comes from hydroelectric.

Hydroelectric is not "renewable" in the bill.

Hydroelectric not renewable? It's just fucking water falling past a bunch of fucking turbines and gets added to the river whenever it fucking rains. How the fuck is that not fucking renewable?

Geeze, I fucking hate the fucking envirowackos.

1418 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:33:17am

re: #1406 eschew_obfuscation

I once heard that the reason they were so painful was that the dentist needed to know when he had found the nerve... sounds like either that was wrong or things have somehow changed?

Unless it was a blind dentist that was wrong.

1419 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:33:28am

re: #1414 iceweasel

ooh, I'd missed that, and I love baldrick so!

"as cunning as a fox wot's just been made chair of cunning at Cunning University"

I am waiting for a "cunning linguist" joke to come in here somewhere.

1420 axegrinder  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:33:40am

re: #1399 Creeping Eruption

/solar powered wind farm?

IN case you missed it, the car of the future...

1421 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:33:44am

re: #1405 legalpad

I have to jump in just a second here before I go - Obama on TV with Merkel stammering like a junior high school kid. Talk about on the job training.

Teleprompter broken? Did they forget Europe uses 220v?

1422 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:33:44am

re: #1408 realwest

"Hydroelectric is not "renewable" in the bill."
Well of course it isn't jcm - hell you guys only get about 180" of rain a year - why dam it up to use for generating electricity when y'all need to wash your cars and beach gear and all?!?

I think I'll send them this...

1423 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:34:09am

re: #1398 CIA Reject

Guess the legislature there has never heard of rain and snow!

But, don't you know, when we have CLIMATE CHANGE, we'll not have rain nor snow ever again!
/

1424 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:34:44am

re: #1414 iceweasel

ooh, I'd missed that, and I love baldrick so!

"as cunning as a fox wot's just been made chair of cunning at Cunning University"

"I've got a cunning plan, M'lord"
"Baldrick, you wouldn't know a cunning plan if it danced naked on a harpsichord singing 'cunning plans are here again'"

1425 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:34:53am

re: #1419 Creeping Eruption

I am waiting for a "cunning linguist" joke to come in here somewhere.

... or a "cunning stunt"...

1426 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:09am

re: #1415 Walter L. Newton

I was sort of making a joke. The last thing I need is a bridge with 3 "phony" teeth put in. I've been paying out of pocket for a couple of years, a little at a time, upper dentures, some lower fillings, pullings and I am almost done, about 1400 dollars away. Actually, I should be able to get that taken care of in the next six months.

OK, but I have actually bartered with some patients.

1427 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:22am

re: #1421 Kosh's Shadow

Teleprompter broken? Did they forget Europe uses 220v?

Biden broke it.

1428 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:22am

Stupid headline of the day, from CNN:

Jackson dies, almost takes Internet with him

1429 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:32am

re: #1418 Nevergiveup
Actually I've always found the novacane shots to be more painful than the actual removal of the nerve.

1430 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:32am

re: #1416 DaddyG

Cue Weird Als "Eat It".


[Video]

This one seems more appropriate - Fat

1431 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #1420 axegrinder

At first, I lol'd.

But then, I wept for humanity.

1432 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:51am

re: #1389 DaddyG

But does that line actually work?

1433 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:52am

re: #1423 Honorary Yooper

But, don't you know, when we have CLIMATE CHANGE, we'll not have rain nor snow ever again!
/

Oh yeah, I forgot all about that ...

*backs away slowly*

///

1434 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:35:55am

re: #1415 Walter L. Newton

I was sort of making a joke. The last thing I need is a bridge with 3 "phony" teeth put in. I've been paying out of pocket for a couple of years, a little at a time, upper dentures, some lower fillings, pullings and I am almost done, about 1400 dollars away. Actually, I should be able to get that taken care of in the next six months.

If I had all the money that has been sent keeping teeth in my mouth, I could own an Bentley outright. Truth be told, I'm glad I have my teeth. Keep the Bentley.

1435 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:36:12am

re: #1426 Nevergiveup

OK, but I have actually bartered with some patients.

What do you call the "phony" teeth in a bridge? Is it a bridge, I don't know, I just know the next step is 1400 dollars.

1436 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:36:40am

re: #1412 Killgore Trout

The Mainstreaming of Ron Paul continues...

...it really got going with the Bruno interview.

1437 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:36:52am

re: #1421 Kosh's Shadow

Teleprompter broken? Did they forget Europe uses 220v?

With this administration? Would not surprise me.

1438 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:37:02am

re: #1429 realwest

Actually I've always found the novacane shots to be more painful than the actual removal of the nerve.

Well ya ever hear how some of the condemned in the middle ages used to tip the executioner before they were about to cut their heads off?

1439 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:37:14am

Just heard the Ruskies are worried about the possible use of force against Iran at the moment - the poor dears. Anyone seen vid's or read about Putin shaking down companies as inflation hits home?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Obama's using Putin as a role model.

1440 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:37:15am

re: #1421 Kosh's Shadow

Teleprompter broken? Did they forget Europe uses 220v?

His evening is blown too, his entire collection of The Nutty Professor will not work on the German dvd player

1441 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:37:35am

re: #1434 midwestgak

If I had all the money that has been sent keeping teeth in my mouth, I could own an Bentley outright. Truth be told, I'm glad I have my teeth. Keep the Bentley.

Well, it was all my own fault, but at least I'm taking care of it now, but I currently have no dental insurance, so, out of pocket, a little at a time, as I can afford it.

1442 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:37:42am

re: #1421 Kosh's Shadow

Teleprompter broken? Did they forget Europe uses 220v?

Maybe they supplied his copy in German :-0

1443 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:38:09am

re: #1435 Walter L. Newton

What do you call the "phony" teeth in a bridge? Is it a bridge, I don't know, I just know the next step is 1400 dollars.

Prosthetic teeth? This is removable right?

1444 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:38:20am

re: #1413 Nevergiveup

has it occurred to any of you that maybe, just maybe, Charles has a hot babe in bed with him and well LGF ain't all that important right now?

LGF is his life and she had better learn to accept that. /

1445 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:38:25am

re: #1418 Nevergiveup

Unless it was a blind dentist that was wrong.

Thanks! (I'm never afraid to share my ignorance ;-)

1446 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:38:34am

re: #1440 Desert Dog

His evening is blown too, his entire collection of The Nutty Professor will not work on the German dvd player

What will he give Merkel now that he realizes she can't play the collection of Hogan's Heroes DVDs he brought as a present?

1447 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:38:35am

re: #1424 Kosh's Shadow

"I've got a cunning plan, M'lord"
"Baldrick, you wouldn't know a cunning plan if it danced naked on a harpsichord singing 'cunning plans are here again'"

I'd upding you so many times if I could, and that's sounding a bit dirty.

Captain Blackadder: How are you feeling, Darling?
Captain Darling: Ahm- not all that good, Blackadder. Rather hoped I'd get through the whole show, go back to work at Pratt and Sons, keep wicket for the Croydon Gentlemen, marry Doris. Made a note in my diary on the way here. Simply says: "Bugger".
Captain Blackadder: Well, quite.

One of the best series ever.

1448 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:38:54am

with this vote in the House it is clear that almost all legislators are insane...no one read the bill and nobody seems to even care...the pigs are loose...this with defense cuts and BOs enormous budget increases and lies regarding taxes has pushed me to the edge...anybody that supports this administration and the madness they are perping on us should stop and rethink what it is that makes America great and what it means to be a responsible citizen...I have nothing for contemp for liberals and the dream world fantasy they live in

1449 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:38:56am

re: #1434 midwestgak

If I had all the money that has been sent keeping teeth in my mouth, I could own an Bentley outright. Truth be told, I'm glad I have my teeth. Keep the Bentley.

OK thanks I will

1450 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:39:00am

re: #1438 Nevergiveup

Well ya ever hear how some of the condemned in the middle ages used to tip the executioner before they were about to cut their heads off?


Uh, nope. And since I'm due to get a root canal in about two hours, I'm not so sure I want to! Seriously, Dental medicine musta come a long way, cause it really is the novacane injections that cause me pain with root canals.

1451 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:39:30am

re: #1393 realwest

Thanks but I actually post about my health out here mostly to encourage people with cancer to not be afraid to talk about it and all of it's ramifications.
The teeth - well, it's kinda hard to overlook this POUNDING DAMN PAIN in my jaw! LOL!

* * * *
Thank you for discussing cancer here.

Yesterday there was news (on FOX) of some new genetic marker for Prostate cancer (BRAC?) that might respond to a new targetted treatment in advanced cases.

We want you well.

1452 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:39:37am

re: #1405 legalpad

I have to jump in just a second here before I go - Obama on TV with Merkel stammering like a junior high school kid. Talk about on the job training.

Ohhh, he's so eloquent!

1453 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:04am

re: #116 Ateam

Read some were that against Gold, Silver is used in many ways practically. is it true?

One major use for silver was in photography, although with the advent of digital cameras, this area of demand has declined.

1454 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:11am

re: #1444 DaddyG

LGF is his our life and she had better learn to accept that. /

I think that is a bit more accurate. ;)

1455 Bummer  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:12am
1456 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:14am

re: #1447 iceweasel

One of the best series ever.

In the WWI series:
"What on earth are you doing, Baldrick?"
"I'm carving my name on a bullet, Sir."
"Why would you do that?"
"Because they say somewhere out there, is a bullet with your name on it, and I figured if I had the bullet in my pocket, I'd be safe."
"Don't be so sure."

1457 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:23am

re: #1446 Kosh's Shadow

What will he give Merkel now that he realizes she can't play the collection of Hogan's Heroes DVDs he brought as a present?

Merkel: You should have known that Europe has a different DVD region from America!
Obama: I know nussing! NUSSING!

1458 axegrinder  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:26am

re: #1425 CIA Reject

... or a "cunning stunt"...

What's the difference between a 3-ring circus and the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders?

1459 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:33am

re: #1450 realwest

Uh, nope. And since I'm due to get a root canal in about two hours, I'm not so sure I want to! Seriously, Dental medicine musta come a long way, cause it really is the novacane injections that cause me pain with root canals.

They shouldn't hurt that much. The ones on the bottom can pinch a tad as it passes Thu the muscle.

1460 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:39am

re: #1438 Nevergiveup

Well ya ever hear how some of the condemned in the middle ages used to tip the executioner before they were about to cut their heads off?

Yeah, IIRC it was a coin given to the executioner to encourage him to swing straight and true.

Sometimes it worked; sometimes not.

1461 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:40:47am

re: #1373 Nevergiveup

That was before Republicans were anti-intellectual, ignorant with no education, creationists, pro-life, and ultra right wing wing ideologues. Just ask Avanti.

How many pro life, intellectual, pro choice, evolutionists are heading up the GOP right now ? A descussion list would be welcome.

1462 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:41:02am

re: #1451 alegrias

* * * *
Thank you for discussing cancer here.

Yesterday there was news (on FOX) of some new genetic marker for Prostate cancer (BRAC?) that might respond to a new targetted treatment in advanced cases.

We want you well.

I thought BRAC was the genetic marker test for breast cancer?

1463 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:41:07am

re: #1440 Desert Dog

His evening is blown too, his entire collection of The NutLESSty Professor will not work on the German dvd player

It is home movies of himself. That all he likes to watch.

1464 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:41:12am

re: #1432 quickjustice

But does that line actually work?

It works for my wife, but I have to back it up with my actions.

1465 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:41:14am
1466 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:41:45am

re: #1443 Nevergiveup

Prosthetic teeth? This is removable right?

I guess, that's the cheaper option, right?

1467 Lee Coller  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:41:52am

Am I the only one bothered by all the MSM outlets treating the MJ death as major news on the order of war or the election of a new president?

I can see the fox news site now, below the big constantly changing photo of MJ, in their:

Other news: N Korea nukes Hawaii

1468 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:41:54am

re: #1121 CynicalConservative

What's he going to do, apologize for WWII?

He's going to apologize to the British for the Revolutionary War.//

1469 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:41:59am

re: #1436 DaddyG


I really want to see that.

1470 axegrinder  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:42:03am

re: #1458 axegrinder

What's the difference between a 3-ring circus and the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders?

If I don't get some down dings from the feminists it must be because they don't know the joke... I ain't making it any plainer.

1471 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:42:03am

re: #1448 albusteve

with this vote in the House it is clear that almost all legislators are insane...no one read the bill and nobody seems to even care...the pigs are loose...this with defense cuts and BOs enormous budget increases and lies regarding taxes has pushed me to the edge...anybody that supports this administration and the madness they are perping on us should stop and rethink what it is that makes America great and what it means to be a responsible citizen...I have nothing for contemp for liberals and the dream world fantasy they live in

In for a penny, in for a pound. I almost think they are trying to pass everything they can, while they can...there will be a reckoning for all of this one day...where does this all end? Every new bill seems to be worse than the previous one.

1472 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:42:04am

re: #1458 axegrinder

What's the difference between a 3-ring circus and the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders?

Not gonna ask... nope... no way... not gonna do it ...

:-)

1473 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:42:09am

re: #1450 realwest

Uh, nope. And since I'm due to get a root canal in about two hours, I'm not so sure I want to! Seriously, Dental medicine musta come a long way, cause it really is the novacane injections that cause me pain with root canals.

* * *
Ask them to apply a gel that deadens the sensation, before the injection.

My Iranian dentist uses it first, if requested.

1474 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:42:12am

re: #1451 alegrias
Thank you alegrias. I'm trying to hold on until the FDA or whomever approves the apparent "cure" for Prostate Cancer discovered in a VERY SMALL trial at the Mayo Clinic and then hopefully Medicare will cover it!
Just doing what I can do, is all.

1475 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:42:14am
1476 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:42:48am

re: #1466 Walter L. Newton

I guess, that's the cheaper option, right?

Usually yes.

1477 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:43:17am

re: #1457 laZardo

Merkel: You should have known that Europe has a different DVD region from America!
Obama: I know nussing! NUSSING!


An accurate statement.

1478 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:43:34am

re: #1441 Walter L. Newton

Well, it was all my own fault, but at least I'm taking care of it now, but I currently have no dental insurance, so, out of pocket, a little at a time, as I can afford it.

It is costly, but I'm glad you're dealing with it now. I've had tooth aches, obsesses and arthritis joint pain. Can't say which was worse. In fact, I even used a tooth ache to explain the arthritis pain. People could relate to tooth aches.

Too much information. sorry.

1479 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:43:42am

A repost from way way way way up above. For those who may not have seen this...

Okay, just found a long story on the intertubes written by my son. It included this...


...I am an incredible dancer for a white male with no training. I'm not sure where this came from, as both my mother and father are about as rhythmic as two batteries stuck in a paper bag thrown from an airplane.

I was laughing pretty hard until I realized that two batteries stuck in a paper bag thrown from an airplane are probably not very rhythmic.

1480 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:43:50am

re: #1462 Ward Cleaver

I thought BRAC was the genetic marker test for breast cancer?

** * *
Perhaps both breast cancer & prostate share that marker--BUT LOOK IT UP, because I only focused on mention of the prostate connection.

1481 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:43:58am

re: #1460 subsailor68

Yeah, IIRC it was a coin given to the executioner to encourage him to swing straight and true.

Sometimes it worked; sometimes not.

Must have worked fine. No one ever asked for their money back.
/

1482 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:44:08am

re: #1046 jcm

He seemed to like it...

This needs a caption contest!

1483 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #1471 Desert Dog

In for a penny, in for a pound. I almost think they are trying to pass everything they can, while they can...there will be a reckoning for all of this one day...where does this all end? Every new bill seems to be worse than the previous one.

national and world opinion is rapidly turning away from AGW...the liberals know this...this administration is so dishonest it's sickening...bad shit is coming down bro

1484 poteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:44:37am

re: #1450 realwest

Uh, nope. And since I'm due to get a root canal in about two hours, I'm not so sure I want to! Seriously, Dental medicine musta come a long way, cause it really is the novacane injections that cause me pain with root canals.

As you lie there think of Palin's reply to J chicken Kerry:::

Senator John Kerry makes this joke..I don't know if you saw this...but he makes this joke saying "Well, shoot, of all the governors in the nation to disappear, too bad it couldn't have been that Governor from Alaska."

Well, when he said it he looked quite frustrated, and he looked so sad, and I just wanted to reach out to the TV and say "John Kerry, why the long face?"

Gotta love her for that one.

1485 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:44:49am

re: #1471 Desert Dog

In for a penny, in for a pound. I almost think they are trying to pass everything they can, while they can...there will be a reckoning for all of this one day...where does this all end? Every new bill seems to be worse than the previous one.

They don't care where it all ends. Hell, we even have Republicans in the house that will vote yes on this.

One big giant payout to special interest, future be damned. Liberal scream that conservatives have been passing money own to big business, well, they are now doing the same exact thing.

1486 axegrinder  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:45:00am

re: #1461 avanti

How many pro life, intellectual, pro choice, evolutionists are heading up the GOP right now ? A descussion list would be welcome.

Is it just me that thinks anyone that identifies themselves as an 'intellectual' is a bit narcissistic? And generally annoying?

1487 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:45:36am

re: #1448 albusteve

with this vote in the House it is clear that almost all legislators are insane...no one read the bill and nobody seems to even care...the pigs are loose...this with defense cuts and BOs enormous budget increases and lies regarding taxes has pushed me to the edge...anybody that supports this administration and the madness they are perping on us should stop and rethink what it is that makes America great and what it means to be a responsible citizen...I have nothing for contemp for liberals and the dream world fantasy they live in

No one knows what in legislation any more, everyone gets to stuff their private bits in and everyone winks and nods.

WA we just discovered in a bill about fire department expansion and pension plans, they stuck in a paragraph. Some fucking staffer stuck it in and every legislator is saying I didn't know.

A city can now annex adjoining areas with a simple executive order or vote of the council. No vote by the people required.

1488 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:46:02am

re: #1461 avanti

How many pro life, intellectual, pro choice, evolutionists are heading up the GOP right now ? A descussion list would be welcome.

Well let's first start with the Party in Power the Democrats. Let's see, their leaders are: Obama, Pelosi, Waxman, Dodd, Frank, Reid, Boxer and assorted other well known intellectuals.

1489 DaddyG  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:46:16am

re: #1460 subsailor68

Yeah, IIRC it was a coin given to the executioner to encourage him to swing straight and true.

Sometimes it worked; sometimes not.

You
*thump*

call

*thump*

that

*thump*

a

*thump*

tip?

*slice*

1490 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:46:58am

re: #1482 Cygnus

This needs a caption contest!

Her Hitler, zee wanker goes here!

1491 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:46:59am

re: #1485 Walter L. Newton

They don't care where it all ends. Hell, we even have Republicans in the house that will vote yes on this.

One big giant payout to special interest, future be damned. Liberal scream that conservatives have been passing money own to big business, well, they are now doing the same exact thing.

And, doing it on an unimaginable scale.

Here's a Trillion, it's the new Billion, ya know!

1492 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:47:31am

OT
Good Lord, won't Sanford just get off the damn stage and take his stupid self out of here? Libertarian libertine dog.

Tax cheat too, diverting plane on South Carolina "business" from Brazil to Argentina, three times in last year?

Be gone, dog in heat.

1493 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:47:51am
1494 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:48:01am

re: #1487 jcm

No one knows what in legislation any more, everyone gets to stuff their private bits in and everyone winks and nods.

WA we just discovered in a bill about fire department expansion and pension plans, they stuck in a paragraph. Some fucking staffer stuck it in and every legislator is saying I didn't know.

A city can now annex adjoining areas with a simple executive order or vote of the council. No vote by the people required.

this kind of governance will be our downfall...I am extremely cynical, and furious at the same time...the MSM is my dire enemy and I hate the feds with every ounce of my boiling blood

1495 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:48:01am

re: #1456 Kosh's Shadow

Captain Blackadder: [during a German air raid] Where's our air force? They're meant to defend us against this sort of thing. Right, that's it!
[picks up telephone]
Captain Blackadder: Hello? Yes, yes, I'd like to leave a message for the head of the Flying Corps, please. That's Air Chief Marshall Sir Hugh Massingbird-Massingbird, VC, DFC and Bar.
Message reads "Where are you, you bastard".

As much as I love the WWI series-- and I love all the Blackadder series-- I can't watch the WWI end much, it's too heartbreaking. I cry.

I just watched the one with Speckled Jim, though!

1496 snowcrash  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:48:03am

Sanford was on TV apologizing again. Why he would want to put himself back in the spotlight is beyond me.

1497 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:48:04am

Jake Knotts (R) is giving Sanford hell on Fox right now.

1498 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:48:23am

re: #1487 jcm

I will pledge my support to the first politician from the state level up who can get away with stealth-inserting a "Rick Astley Day" clause into a bill.

1499 axegrinder  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:48:33am

Off to lunch, c u guys later.

1500 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:48:46am

re: #1483 albusteve

national and world opinion is rapidly turning away from AGW...the liberals know this...this administration is so dishonest it's sickening...bad shit is coming down bro

Thought this was interesting this morning...

1501 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:49:06am

Former president Dwight D. Eisenhower, whose passion for golf helped to boost its popularity after World War II, was selected Friday to be inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

good for him

1502 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:49:16am

re: #1493 buzzsawmonkey

Fashion tips just in: red is the new black, at least where accounting ink is concerned.

God, that's sooo six months ago.

///

red is the new red, now!

1503 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #1484 poteen

As you lie there think of Palin's reply to J chicken Kerry:::

Senator John Kerry makes this joke..I don't know if you saw this...but he makes this joke saying "Well, shoot, of all the governors in the nation to disappear, too bad it couldn't have been that Governor from Alaska."

Well, when he said it he looked quite frustrated, and he looked so sad, and I just wanted to reach out to the TV and say "John Kerry, why the long face?"

Gotta love her for that one.

LOL! I have a feeling she could eviscerate anyone with her wit.

1504 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:49:57am

re: #1500 eschew_obfuscation

Thought this was interesting this morning...

I wanted to post that earlier...no body wants to bother with it...and MJ is still dead

1505 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:49:58am

re: #1495 iceweasel

As much as I love the WWI series-- and I love all the Blackadder series-- I can't watch the WWI end much, it's too heartbreaking. I cry.

I just watched the one with Speckled Jim, though!

Yes, even though the endings do largely involve death, the WWI was more tragic.

There was a (false) rumor that there was going to be a 5th series, involving a rock band, with a follicly-challenged drummer named Bald Rick.

1506 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:50:16am

re: #1482 Cygnus

This needs a caption contest!

Herbie's first prank oiling was very nearly his last.

1507 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:50:19am

Debate just started on "the catastrophe..." Three hours of debate in the House before they really screw us.

Hit hardest by all this would be the "95% of working families" Obama keeps mentioning as being protected from increased taxation. They are protected, that is, unless they use energy.

1508 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:50:20am

re: #1492 alegrias

OT
Good Lord, won't Sanford just get off the damn stage and take his stupid self out of here? Libertarian libertine dog.

Tax cheat too, diverting plane on South Carolina "business" from Brazil to Argentina, three times in last year?

Be gone, dog in heat.

He's toast as he should be. What makes these guys do this? He is the f-ing Governor of a State. They live in a bubble with every step watched. I heard that he was emailing this lady on his offical email? Hello, Freedom of Information Act. It's like he wanted to get caught! Stupidity!

1509 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:50:49am

re: #1496 snowcrash

Sanford was on TV apologizing again. Why he would want to put himself back in the spotlight is beyond me.

* * **
As Sanford's mentor/friend John McCain has said, politics is Hollywood for ugly people.

Turns out Sanford is a self-centered pig who thinks he's indispensable or that we care about his sad & lonely ronerey life of power & privilege.

Get Out!

1510 realwest  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:51:01am

Well y'all I gotta go now. Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

1511 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #1486 axegrinder

Is it just me that thinks anyone that identifies themselves as an 'intellectual' is a bit narcissistic? And generally annoying?

I would agree with that. If a candidate goes around saying he/she is a intellectual, that would not be what I'm talking about.

1512 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:51:38am
1513 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:52:07am

re: #1483 albusteve

...bad shit is coming down bro

No truer words could be said.

A.LONG.HOT.MISERABLE.SUMMER...and then some.

1514 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:52:12am

re: #1496 snowcrash

Sanford was on TV apologizing again. Why he would want to put himself back in the spotlight is beyond me.

Because, because, this is the age of reality TV, everyone trying to grab and retain that 15 minutes of fame, the sound bite society. Michael Jackson has stolen the spotlight (for a few weeks) and everyone who matters (or thinks they matter) will be jockeying for position on the morning, noon and evening news cycles.

Grab your cell phone cameras, take a picture, show it to the world, and you will be a star, for about 13 seconds. Oh look, another picture, who's this now, it doesn't matter, they are wearing the latest (last 3 minutes) in fashions.

Is it beyond you anymore?

1515 CIA Reject  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:52:13am

re: #1510 realwest

Good luck with the dentist RW!

1516 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:52:15am

re: #1507 SlartyBartfast

Debate just started on "the catastrophe..." Three hours of debate in the House before they really screw us.

it's intentional and criminal...I was called a fool and worse to even suggest such a thing last fall...by avanti the liberal...no liberal can explain this away

1517 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:52:25am

re: #1511 avanti

I would agree with that. If a candidate goes around saying he/she is a intellectual, that would not be what I'm talking about.

What if their IQ is a 167 though?

1518 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:52:25am

re: #1498 laZardo

I will pledge my support to the first politician from the state level up who can get away with stealth-inserting a "Rick Astley Day" clause into a bill.

ROFLMAO!

1519 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:52:45am

re: #1510 realwest

Night.

1520 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:53:12am

re: #1197 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I didn't like Soylent Green, but I heard it varies from person to person.

It goes great with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

1521 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:53:38am

re: #1513 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

No truer words could be said.

A.LONG.HOT.MISERABLE.SUMMER...and then some.

certainly a set up for 'right wing extremism' of some sort eh?

1522 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:54:35am

re: #1511 avanti

Conservatives tend to dislike intellectuals. It's a dirty word. They prefer simple witticisms delivered with a rural accent.

1523 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:54:37am

re: #1517 Desert Dog

What if their IQ is a 167 though?

The hysterical thing about that is that I remember that poster, and how we all snickered.

1524 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:55:27am

re: #1488 realwest

Well let's first start with the Party in Power the Democrats. Let's see, their leaders are: Obama, Pelosi, Waxman, Dodd, Frank, Reid, Boxer and assorted other well known intellectuals.

Being from the left or right is not a qualification to be a intellectual. Ben Stein is both a intellectual and a creationist for example. It's not a political trait.

1525 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:55:27am

re: #1517 Desert Dog

What if their IQ is a 167 though?

Then there's a slight chance that they will have the social skills of a tasmanian devil.

1526 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:55:33am

re: #1522 Killgore Trout

Conservatives tend to dislike intellectuals. It's a dirty word. They prefer simple witticisms delivered with a rural accent.

so which one are you?...the simple wit or the raging intellectual?

1527 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:56:21am

re: #1526 albusteve

I'm simple without the wit.

1528 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:56:38am
1529 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:56:47am

BREAKING NEWS!
MJ's 4th grade teacher says MJ was "a pleasure to have in class"
/

1530 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:56:50am

re: #1522 Killgore Trout

Conservatives tend to dislike intellectuals. It's a dirty word. They prefer simple witticisms delivered with a rural accent.

Americans in general. Or don't you remember reading Mark Twain? Look over American popular culture from the 19th Century forward, and you'll see the anti-intellectual strain.

The twen-cen infatuation with "experts" always had an element of love-hate and an undercurrent of fear.

1531 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:56:52am

re: #1523 Dianna

The hysterical thing about that is that I remember that poster, and how we all snickered.

and testosterone was the cause of all the worlds ills and misfortunes

1532 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:57:34am

re: #1511 avanti

I would agree with that. If a candidate goes around saying he/she is a intellectual, that would not be what I'm talking about.

The lack of strong leaders is a huge problem for the Republicans. We do not have many coming up that look good either. But, the biggest problem we have today is not the lack of Republicans leaders, but the presence of the Democrat ones...they are running this country off a cliff. To quote President Obama, "...we cannot sustain this". All of this spending, money printing and now to add a massive tax burden on an already weakened economy...how will this turn out well for the USA?

1533 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:57:43am

re: #1531 albusteve

and testosterone was the cause of all the worlds ills and misfortunes

Right! I remember that, too!

1534 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:57:52am

re: #1527 Killgore Trout

I'm simple without the wit.

liberals tend to hate themselves then project their insecurities on everyone else

1535 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:57:57am

re: #1522 Killgore Trout

Conservatives tend to dislike intellectuals. It's a dirty word. They prefer simple witticisms delivered with a rural accent.

Here we go with the generalizations again. Killgore, we are not all the same, you can't put us in one basket, it is a straw man way of arguing, bereft of any intellect, and you keep doing it.

You are a contradiction in your own terms.

1536 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:58:05am

re: #1522 Killgore Trout

Conservatives tend to dislike intellectuals. It's a dirty word. They prefer simple witticisms delivered with a rural accent.

No, not all conservatives dislike "intellectuals".

However, we do tend to lack a condenscending attitude toward those whose gifts are simpler.

1537 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:58:11am
1538 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:58:20am

re: #1522 Killgore Trout

Conservatives tend to dislike intellectuals. It's a dirty word. They prefer simple witticisms delivered with a rural accent.

That's not totally fair, Killgore. Buckley and Krauthammer were/are popular. I certainly would call Thomas Sowell an intellectual, and he's not being rejected by conservatives. I think many conservatives are leery of elitist intellectuals.

1539 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:58:36am

re: #1526 albusteve

so which one are you?...the simple wit or the raging intellectual?

I just simply rage.

1540 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:58:46am

re: #1523 Dianna

The hysterical thing about that is that I remember that poster, and how we all snickered.

She lives in infamy.

1541 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:59:09am

re: #1540 Sharmuta

She lives in infamy.

Deserved!

1542 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:59:20am

re: #1541 Dianna

Indeed

1543 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:59:29am

re: #1525 MrSilverDragon

I've got an IQ of 151. That explains why I liked to spin around till I got dizzy a lot when I was a kid.

/ *drooling gibberish*

1544 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 9:59:45am

re: #1530 Dianna

The 'wise idiot' is a uniquely American phenomenon, I don't think anyone else has a tradition of it. The earliest example I can think of is Franklin's Poor Richards almanac but it probably even predates that. Forest Gump is a good modern example.

1545 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:00:00am

re: #1494 albusteve

this kind of governance will be our downfall...I am extremely cynical, and furious at the same time...the MSM is my dire enemy and I hate the feds with every ounce of my boiling blood

I quoted James Madison last night...

"No political truth is certainly of greater intrinsic value, or is stamped with the authority of more enlightened patrons of liberty than that on which the objection is founded. The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."
Federalist No. 48

Even an elected many, when rule of law is abandoned is a tyranny.

1546 poteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:00:03am

re: #1503 MandyManners

LOL! I have a feeling she could eviscerate anyone with her wit.

She was talking to troops in Kosovo at the time.

// I kinda wish her husband would get eaten by a bear.

1547 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:00:26am

re: #1544 Killgore Trout

The 'wise idiot' is a uniquely American phenomenon, I don't think anyone else has a tradition of it. The earliest example I can think of is Franklin's Poor Richards almanac but it probably even predates that. Forest Gump is a good modern example.

And your rhetoric is a current example.

1548 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #1544 Killgore Trout

I disagree. All cultures have collected wisdom.

1549 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #1523 Dianna

The hysterical thing about that is that I remember that poster, and how we all snickered.

It's seared in my memory...AnneFrance flashbacks

1550 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:00:46am

re: #1532 Desert Dog

The lack of strong leaders is a huge problem for the Republicans. We do not have many coming up that look good either. But, the biggest problem we have today is not the lack of Republicans leaders, but the presence of the Democrat ones...they are running this country off a cliff. To quote President Obama, "...we cannot sustain this". All of this spending, money printing and now to add a massive tax burden on an already weakened economy...how will this turn out well for the USA?

I keep wondering if that is their intention.

1551 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:01:06am

re: #1544 Killgore Trout

The 'wise idiot' is a uniquely American phenomenon, I don't think anyone else has a tradition of it. The earliest example I can think of is Franklin's Poor Richards almanac but it probably even predates that. Forest Gump is a good modern example.

You don't think Shakespeare had a few "wise idiots" in his plays?

1552 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:01:17am

re: #1544 Killgore Trout

That all you got to say about that?

/ c;

1553 midwestgak  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:01:17am

The House gave a moment of silence for Jackson. What about Farrah?

Where is NOW?/

1554 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:01:51am

re: #1538 Sharmuta

We don't really have a Buckley today and I'm not sure how many people pay attention to Kruthhammer. Conservatives are much more interested in populism these days that intellectualism.

1555 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:01:58am

re: #1522 Killgore Trout

Conservatives tend to dislike intellectuals. It's a dirty word. They prefer simple witticisms delivered with a rural accent.

* * **
What a genius "observation" of "fact"! NOT.

We got your genius Harvard trained elite intellectuals running this here country with big words and Chicago accents. Be happy!

1556 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:02:20am

re: #1553 midwestgak

The House gave a moment of silence for Jackson. What about Farrah?

Where is NOW?/

Is Michael Jackson this generation's version of Elvis Presley? A former big star who was trying to get going again? I remember when Presley died and it was crazy.

1557 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:02:29am

re: #1545 jcm

I quoted James Madison last night...

"No political truth is certainly of greater intrinsic value, or is stamped with the authority of more enlightened patrons of liberty than that on which the objection is founded. The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."
Federalist No. 48

Even an elected many, when rule of law is abandoned is a tyranny.

thanks...that's the kind of thing I cannot verbalize...I need help like that, buts that's how I feel

1558 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:02:50am

re: #1551 vxbush

You don't think Shakespeare had a few "wise idiots" in his plays?

Did he? Maybe we got it from the English.

1559 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:02:51am

re: #1553 midwestgak

/maybe in the rare chance the UN leaves the US, we could use the building in that manner.

1560 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:03:26am

re: #1517 Desert Dog

What if their IQ is a 167 though?

You can have a high IQ and not be a intellectional. It's about how you use your brain, not just how high your IQ is. I have a friend with a very high IQ that works in retail sales, and does not have much interest in any intellectual pursuits.

1561 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:03:28am

re: #1554 Killgore Trout

We don't really have a Buckley today and I'm not sure how many people pay attention to Kruthhammer. Conservatives are much more interested in populism these days that intellectualism.

I don't disagree with that. But I think you went a little too broad brush. There are conservative intellectuals, and they do have an audience. This blog is a great example of who that audience is.

1562 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:03:29am

The "gentleman from Massachusetts," Mr. Markey, is on the floor claiming that Markey-Waxman will create "millions of new clean energy jobs..." while "reducing our dependence on foreign oil".

Goodlatte (VA) is speaking of, "the fantasy of thinking that this bill will allow us to turn down the thermostat of the world...[Markey-Waxman is] suicide for the American economy."

Heh.

1563 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:03:30am

re: #1524 avanti

Being from the left or right is not a qualification to be a intellectual. Ben Stein is both a intellectual and a creationist for example. It's not a political trait.

ben stein is intelligent without being an intellectual. It's hard to watch expelled and come away convinced that this guy is critically examining evidence or being intellectually curious.-- both of which, in my book (ha) are prerequisites for being "an intellectual".

BTW, for anyone interested, I also don't think that formal education has anything to do with being either an intellectual or intelligent. One of the most intelligent people I know--and I'd also count him as an 'intellectual'-- dropped out of high school.

1564 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:03:44am

re: #1544 Killgore Trout

The 'wise idiot' is a uniquely American phenomenon, I don't think anyone else has a tradition of it. The earliest example I can think of is Franklin's Poor Richards almanac but it probably even predates that. Forest Gump is a good modern example.

It is not, hell, it goes all the way back to ancient Greek drama.

1565 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:04:26am

re: #1544 Killgore Trout

The 'wise idiot' is a uniquely American phenomenon, I don't think anyone else has a tradition of it. The earliest example I can think of is Franklin's Poor Richards almanac but it probably even predates that. Forest Gump is a good modern example.

There's a pretty much world-wide example of the Holy Fool. He shows up in folk tales - the simple boy who turns out to be wiser than everyone else, and so on. I'm no expert, but I've read enough to recognize the motif.

1566 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:04:31am

re: #1560 avanti

You can have a high IQ and not be a intellectional. It's about how you use your brain, not just how high your IQ is. I have a friend with a very high IQ that works in retail sales, and does not have much interest in any intellectual pursuits.

do you grok snark when you see it...

1567 alegrias  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:04:36am

re: #1554 Killgore Trout

We don't really have a Buckley today and I'm not sure how many people pay attention to Kruthhammer. Conservatives are much more interested in populism these days that intellectualism.

* * *
GAZE over gross generalizations bereft of brain waves.

1568 subsailor68  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:04:50am

re: #1554 Killgore Trout

We don't really have a Buckley today and I'm not sure how many people pay attention to Kruthhammer. Conservatives are much more interested in populism these days that intellectualism.

Hi Killgore! About the only one I can think of (other than C. Krauthammer) who has visibility and qualifies as an intellectual is George Will perhaps. He does have books, columns, and a weekly television presence. That said, I'm not sure how widespread his influence is among conservatives.

1569 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:05:29am

re: #1503 MandyManners

LOL! I have a feeling she could eviscerate anyone with her wit.

and yet my liberal friends continue to insist she's a moron...

1570 poteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:05:44am

Americans don't dislike 'intellectuals' per se.

They dislike pretentious people of any stripe.

1571 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:05:59am

Show us the Liberal intellectuals...feel good theories with good intentions that always bring out unintended consequences. I would put forth that the so-called intellectuals on the left are dishonest at their core and prefer to live in a world that "could or should be" whereas the ones on the right, like them or not, tend to have their feet here on earth offering actual solutions to actual problems. Pie in the Sky sounds great in a college classroom or at a cocktail party on the Upper West side, but I cannot recall one "liberal" program that actually did what it was supposed to do, can any of you?

1572 justabill  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:06:04am

re: #1250 Erik The Red

Morning Lizards. There are so many of these flying around.

I did not really like MJ, but out of respect I will give him the 24 hour rule before I start telling them.

Perhaps I am mixing up my rules, but doesn't the 24 hour rule mean we should doubt news that comes out for the first 24 hours.

I think, given the extensive coverage, he's really dead...

1573 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:06:53am

re: #1562 SlartyBartfast

The "gentleman from Massachusetts," Mr. Markey, is on the floor claiming that Markey-Waxman will create "millions of new clean energy jobs..." while "reducing our dependence on foreign oil".

Goodlatte (VA) is speaking of, "the fantasy of thinking that this bill will allow us to turn down the thermostat of the world...[Markey-Waxman is] suicide for the American economy."

Heh.

it'll definitely reduce our dependence on foreign oil, because with the economy collapsed, we won't be using much oil period.

1574 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:07:02am

re: #1560 avanti

You can have a high IQ and not be a intellectional. It's about how you use your brain, not just how high your IQ is. I have a friend with a very high IQ that works in retail sales, and does not have much interest in any intellectual pursuits.

I have no idea what my IQ is. That was reference to a pompous poster a year or so ago.

1575 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:07:09am

re: #1564 Walter L. Newton

It is not, hell, it goes all the way back to ancient Greek drama.

Examples of the "wise idiot" in Greek drama, please?

(I'm not snarking; I know a tiny bit about greek drama and this never occurred to me about it. I'm genuinely asking for information and I know you know about drama, theatre, etc.)

1576 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:07:15am

re: #1554 Killgore Trout

We don't really have a Buckley today and I'm not sure how many people pay attention to Kruthhammer. Conservatives are much more interested in populism these days that intellectualism.

I hate this. You're ignoring the bluntly deceptive populist rhetoric of the entire political class and pretending it belongs solely to "conservatives".

1577 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:07:53am

who cares about your intellectualism?...

simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
da Vinci

1578 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:08:00am

re: #1565 Dianna

There's a pretty much world-wide example of the Holy Fool. He shows up in folk tales - the simple boy who turns out to be wiser than everyone else, and so on. I'm no expert, but I've read enough to recognize the motif.

Correct, like I said above, it goes all the way back to Greek Drama which build off the Dionysian rites. It is FAR from a modern dramatic concept. It is shallow thinking to attribute this to current conventions.

1579 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:08:11am

re: #1435 Walter L. Newton

What do you call the "phony" teeth in a bridge? Is it a bridge, I don't know, I just know the next step is 1400 dollars.

That's a bridge too far.

1580 redc1c4  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:08:20am

re: #1231 laZardo

i was nice and didn't post that last night way up thread: you owe me those karma points. %-)

1581 vxbush  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:08:40am

re: #1558 Killgore Trout

Did he? Maybe we got it from the English.

I'm thinking of the army guy in "Much Ado About Nothing", and one guy in Taming of the Shrew...

1582 Dianna  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:09:15am

re: #1558 Killgore Trout

Did he? Maybe we got it from the English.

Oh, dear.

KT, you're kidding me. You're ignoring a huge tradition in world literature and spouting off about "American conservatives"?

Come on - you're better read than that!

1583 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:09:19am

re: #1570 poteen

Americans don't dislike 'intellectuals' per se.

They dislike pretentious people of any stripe.

But isn't it weird and dangerous that 'pretentious' has somehow come to be identified with 'intellectual' or 'educated'?

That's been going on, and I don't think it's good.

1584 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:09:26am

re: #1580 redc1c4

Heeeyyy, can't I spread 'em around?

/ C:

1585 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:09:35am

There is too often in our society the tendency to mistake eloquent speech for a powerful intellect.

This is why we have Barack Obama fawned over by the intellectual elite and George Bush castigated because he doesn't read books (which he clearly does).

1586 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:09:37am

re: #1442 CIA Reject

Maybe they supplied his copy in German :-0

"Ich bin ein Scheissekopf!"

1587 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:09:39am

re: #1575 iceweasel

Examples of the "wise idiot" in Greek drama, please?

(I'm not snarking; I know a tiny bit about greek drama and this never occurred to me about it. I'm genuinely asking for information and I know you know about drama, theatre, etc.)

Google "wise idiot, greek drama, holy fool" etc.

1588 albusteve  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #1571 Desert Dog

no takers...what a bunch of blowhards

1589 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:11:34am
1590 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:12:05am

re: #1575 iceweasel

Examples of the "wise idiot" in Greek drama, please?

(I'm not snarking; I know a tiny bit about greek drama and this never occurred to me about it. I'm genuinely asking for information and I know you know about drama, theatre, etc.)

[Link: books.google.com...]

1591 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:13:37am

This just in: Michael Jackson is still dead.

1592 Cygnus  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:13:39am

re: #1458 axegrinder

What's the difference between a 3-ring circus and the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders?

That reminds me of another joke:

What's the difference between a seamstress and a soprano?
The seamstress tucks up the frills.

1593 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #1591 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This just in: Michael Jackson is still dead.

/ :C

1594 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #1581 vxbush

I'm thinking of the army guy in "Much Ado About Nothing", and one guy in Taming of the Shrew...

Interesting. I don't know my Shakespeare well enough but I'll take your word for it.

1595 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #1563 iceweasel

ben stein is intelligent without being an intellectual. It's hard to watch expelled and come away convinced that this guy is critically examining evidence or being intellectually curious.-- both of which, in my book (ha) are prerequisites for being "an intellectual".

BTW, for anyone interested, I also don't think that formal education has anything to do with being either an intellectual or intelligent. One of the most intelligent people I know--and I'd also count him as an 'intellectual'-- dropped out of high school.

I actually rethought my comment about Ben after I posted it. He does have a intellect, but chooses to ignore it in favor of his faith.

1596 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:16:46am

re: #1583 iceweasel

But isn't it weird and dangerous that 'pretentious' has somehow come to be identified with 'intellectual' or 'educated'?

That's been going on, and I don't think it's good.

I don't think it's that pretentious is identified with intellectual or educated ... I think it's that many pretend to be intellectuals who aren't because they've attended a prestigious school or associated with the 'correct' people and can spout the current orthodoxy on social and political issues of the day. I would suggest that Janeane Garofolo is a good example of someone who pretends to intellectualism (pretentious) and William Buckley was one who was actually an intellectual (not pretentious).

1597 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:17:31am

re: #1587 Walter L. Newton

Google "wise idiot, greek drama, holy fool" etc.

I could. But I'm already familiar with the concept of the holy fool, I'm already familiar with the concept of the wise idiot-- and I've read a shitload of Greek drama and academic works about greek drama specifically.

I'm not going to go to google for this. If you can't give me a concrete example yourself of how the 'wise idiot' figures in greek drama, then I'll be going to the books and the academics I know. Not google.

No offense to you intended; just a statement that I prefer experts over the random regurgitation of google, and so I'd naturally have preferred your expertise over google as well here.

I'll check it out with the people I know and come back to you on it.

1598 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:18:03am

re: #1595 avanti

I actually rethought my comment about Ben after I posted it. He does have a intellect, but chooses to ignore it in favor of his faith.

I think Ben is a good example. I'd qualify him as a conservative intellectual but he has the same problem as George Will; intellectual dishonesty.

1599 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:19:22am

re: #1560 avanti

You can have a high IQ and not be a intellectional. It's about how you use your brain, not just how high your IQ is. I have a friend with a very high IQ that works in retail sales, and does not have much interest in any intellectual pursuits.

167 was a pompous troll who came in, called us all idiots bragged about it's intellectual prowess while it was very clear from it's posts it was over estimating it's IQ by about 100%.

It was an enjoyable troll whacking.

1600 poteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:19:44am

re: #1583 iceweasel

But isn't it weird and dangerous that 'pretentious' has somehow come to be identified with 'intellectual' or 'educated'?

That's been going on, and I don't think it's good.

Agreed. But then again most of the truly intellectual people would hesitate to describe themselves as such. The pretentious intellectual does so and omits the qualifying descriptive term.

//I'z kin speke intulekly

1601 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:19:46am

re: #1583 iceweasel

Don't worry, for someday we shall have our revenge.

Like we did in the 80s. C:

1602 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:20:15am

re: #1599 jcm

167 was a pompous troll who came in, called us all idiots bragged about it's intellectual prowess while it was very clear from it's posts it was over estimating it's IQ by about 100%.

It was an enjoyable troll whacking.

Still one of my favorite all time Troll Roasts

1603 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:21:07am

re: #1590 Walter L. Newton

[Link: books.google.com...]

Awesome, thanks for this. Not a book I have or an author I'm familiar with! I will check it out.

BTW--connection is totally dragging here for some reason, everything is taking forever to post or see, or respond to

1604 laZardo  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:21:59am

re: #1596 eschew_obfuscation

And, on the other hand, you still have the people who don't wanna be PART OF THE SYSTEM!

Which leads me to suspect that "The System" has changed its methodologies to accommodate those kind of people.

...Oh God.

1605 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:22:27am

re: #1603 iceweasel

I've been having the same problem since last night.

1606 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:23:20am

re: #1605 Killgore Trout

I've been having the same problem since last night.

I think it's the MJ thing tying up the innerwebs.

1607 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:24:08am

re: #1605 Killgore Trout

I've been having the same problem since last night.

It's coming and going for me, and only on LGF.

1608 poteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:24:25am

re: #1606 eschew_obfuscation

I think it's the MJ thing tying up the innerwebs.

No, he's too busy explaining that Lisa Marie thing to Elvis.

1609 avanti  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:25:26am

re: #1599 jcm

167 was a pompous troll who came in, called us all idiots bragged about it's intellectual prowess while it was very clear from it's posts it was over estimating it's IQ by about 100%.

It was an enjoyable troll whacking.

OK, got it, sorry I missed the fun.

1610 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:26:55am

re: #1608 poteen

No, he's too busy explaining that Lisa Marie thing to Elvis.

You're right!...I totally forgot that.

1611 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:37:27am

I realized something today - I was more upset by the death of beer guru Michael Jackson than the death of pop icon Michael Jackson.

1612 jcm  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:37:31am

re: #1609 avanti

OK, got it, sorry I missed the fun.

I was a lot of fun, it was so smart, it didn't "get" all the fun we were having.

1613 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:50:20am

re: #1508 Desert Dog

I'll repeat: I think Mrs. Sanford would be a great replacement for her husband.

1614 poteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:56:08am

The King

This guy's great. Jimmy the King

1615 poteen  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 10:57:16am

re: #1611 Mad Al-Jaffee

Truly a matter of greater importance to mankind.

1616 inldad67  Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:30:16am

Open thread...so here goes...I just need to vent...So Obama is trying to stimulate the car industry...I read everywhere that people should continue to buy cars and such to help the industry... the "Cash-for-Clunkers" is supposed to be signed today and I have a clunker I could get cash for...here's my problem...a few years back I had bad credit, in debt, etc...I worked hard to get myself out of the hole...and I did...for a few years lived well below my means in order to get things in order, so to speak...now I apply for a car loan through a local credit union (because the banks are in such GOOD shape!) and get turned down because I have no debt...? Does this make sense to anyone?...so I NEED to be in debt to acquire a debt?AAARRRGGGhhh!


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