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For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.
— W. H. Auden
1218 comments
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Ateam Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:32:08pm |
Farrah Fawcett -one of my best feminine & sex symbols
R.I.P
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gmsc Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:33:55pm |
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.— W. H. Auden
That poem reminds me of Edgar Allan Poe's Annabel Lee:
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:34:38pm |
"While you were wasting your time castrating a priceless artifact, I was systematically feeding babies.... to hungry mutated puppies! "
The Monarch- The Venture Brothers
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:40:27pm |
re: #2 Ateam
I'm still mourning Bettie Paige.
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redc1c4 Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:41:29pm |
re: #3 Noam Sayin'
Just kidding.
It's me. Noam.
First one, then the other.......
i say delete them both. %-)
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:41:35pm |
Hola, Honcos!
Best live performance I have ever seen, was Vincent Price at the David Geffen Theater in Westwood. WHAT a presence! No youtube, I looked.
( I still miss the rooster)
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redc1c4 Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:42:31pm |
re: #10 Fenway_Nation
I'm still mourning Bettie Paige.
i'm still mourning that last beer.
and drinking to drown my sorrows..... %-)
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:44:06pm |
re: #15 redc1c4
I left my rum & coke in the next room.....is seperation anxiety applicable here?
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rustler Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:29pm |
re: #18 Fenway_Nation
Only if it's mostly rum with a splash of coke for colour.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:45:30pm |
Who will stop the corruption in Washington, dismantle the payoff pad, the jets, the golden parachutes, etc.?
/it's always been there but now it's resulting in crazy ass legislation that indicates they're just looking to cash out, catch as catch can, before the fall, the rest of us be damned
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:08pm |
re: #16 Noam Sayin'
Yeppers...and thanks to XM, future generations shall know of the brilliance of groups like The Smithereens, The Cult, Siouxsie & The Banshees among others on the they can't all be gems 80's/Early alternative rock stations.
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Noam Sayin' Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:17pm |
Gonna check out, folks. Thunder and lightning are rolling into the Twin Cities, and I'm going to enjoy the show.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:23pm |
And, for the KarmaPolice, I'm 12 from 1000.
Kiss my ?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:23pm |
re: #10 Fenway_Nation
I'm still mourning Bettie Paige.
Well, I've got a music/image comp for you. NSFW.
/give it 'til the 00:50 mark
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Ateam Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:46:51pm |
re: #10 Fenway_Nation
I'm still mourning Bettie Paige.
Never heard, or seeing her. But she looked lovely.
BTW - this creature - MJ - is really dead?
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freetoken Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:14pm |
re: #20 Killian Bundy
Not important.
What is important is why Michael Jackson died. Autopsy report not for several days... who knew he was taking drugs, and when did they know it?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:27pm |
re: #26 Ateam
Kindergartners everywhere are crossing their fingers, Ateam.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:47:40pm |
re: #23 Noam Sayin'
Gonna check out, folks. Thunder and lightning are rolling into the Twin Cities, and I'm going to enjoy the show.
/so they say, not seeing it
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rustler Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:48:14pm |
So I see Waxman-Markey passed in the house senate vote is tomorrow? And has anyone other than Obama's speed reader read it cover to cover?
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Noam Sayin' Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:49:16pm |
re: #22 Fenway_Nation
I up-dinged ya for the sentiment, but I don't see future generations paying for music they can get for free.
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rustler Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:49:33pm |
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Noam Sayin' Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:49:53pm |
re: #20 Killian Bundy
Who will stop the corruption in Washington, dismantle the payoff pad, the jets, the golden parachutes, etc.?
I will.
I'm gonna need some backup.
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redc1c4 Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:19pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Not important.
What is important is why Michael Jackson died. Autopsy report not for several days... who knew he was taking drugs, and when did they know it?
the early report is that there is nothing grossly (medical term) abnormal in the results, and they are waiting on further lab tests to delve further.
(gleaned from a passing news cast, but that's my field)
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Noam Sayin' Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:50:32pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:51:07pm |
re: #24 Floral Giraffe
And, for the KarmaPolice, I'm 12 from 1000.
And now you are 13 from 1000.
/I kid
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rustler Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:51:29pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Supposedly the Doc that filled his scrip has disappeared. Or that was the rumor before I went to bed at 2pm this afternoon. Haven't seen any confirmation on it but it's not really that important to me just tired of seeing it on the news.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:51:39pm |
re: #34 rustler
Well, I was trying to be polite, sorta.....
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:51:49pm |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:07pm |
re: #32 rustler
So I see Waxman-Markey passed in the house senate vote is tomorrow?
No, they're all on 4th of July vacation. What's that you say, you don't get to go on 4th of July vacation in June? Run for Congress, pension for life once you're elected.
/no worries, money rolls in, screw your constituents
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gmsc Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:52:21pm |
re: #26 Ateam
Never heard, or seeing her. But she looked lovely.
BTW - this creature - MJ - is really dead?
Yep - and it seems Michael Jackson's doctor has abandoned his car at Michael Jackson's house, and it nowhere to be found.
This doesn't look good for the doctor.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:05pm |
re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth
We have troll grilling duty this week.
I hope you can help.
Behemoth is an animal, right?
;)
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rustler Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:36pm |
re: #41 Floral Giraffe
Doh forgot to link the pic. Kiss My Grits
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Killian Bundy Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:53:45pm |
re: #35 Noam Sayin'
I will.
I'm gonna need some backup.
/I'm there, looking for the proper outlet, I can be more ruthless than Axelrod
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freetoken Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:54:21pm |
Pat Boone is doing some serious 'nirthing again, cheering on Corsi et. al. Boone is seriously over into Alex-Jones-quality land these days.
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rustler Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:55:12pm |
re: #43 Killian Bundy
Well hey the Vaca for the senate is good news to me that means another 2 weeks before the speculators drive up the cost of Propane etc so i can finish topping off the 500 gallon monster in the back yard.
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freetoken Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:55:28pm |
re: #36 redc1c4
passing news cast
Is that anything similar to passing gas?
Seriously, Jackson will continue to dominate the media, especially as the questions mount.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:55:40pm |
Fine, I will RUIN you with classical violin.
And it even sounds nice.
Joshua Bell.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:56:44pm |
re: #46 rustler
She looks like she's got grits!
( in her girdle, maybe?)
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rustler Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:57:13pm |
re: #44 gmsc
Ahh is this the doctor that had provided the perscrition drugs to MJ that might have cause the reaction he had with Demerel? That was the rumor I had heard before bed and that the doc had disappearred.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:58:28pm |
re: #45 Floral Giraffe
Behemoth is an animal, right?
That's what the ladies with a taste for downtown service say, anyway.
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redc1c4 Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:58:50pm |
re: #45 Floral Giraffe
We have troll grilling duty this week.
I hope you can help.
Behemoth is an animal, right?
;)
sure you're up for that?
/hope Blue Cannuck gave you the safety brief
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Noam Sayin' Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:58:51pm |
re: #47 Killian Bundy
/I'm there, looking for the proper outlet, I can be more ruthless than Axelrod
We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Jun 26, 2009 11:59:10pm |
re: #50 freetoken
Is that anything similar to passing gas?
Seriously, Jackson will continue to dominate the media, especially as the questions mount.
Oh yeah, I was late to a previous thread, you probably missed my question.
/assume AGW, what good is and cap and trade scheme without China and India participating?
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gmsc Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, June 27th:
Highlights of this day in history: U.S. air and naval forces ordered into the Korean War; John Dean testifies about the Nixon White House's 'enemies list'; Stonewall riots spark the modern gay rights movement; Actor Jack Lemmon dies.
Other notable June 27th events include:
1867 – The Bank of California is created.
1893 – Crash of the New York Stock Exchange.
1966 – The first broadcast of Dark Shadows is aired on ABC-TV.
1967 – The world's first ATM is installed in Enfield, London.
1974 – U.S president Richard Nixon visits the U.S.S.R..
1984 – Pierre Elliott Trudeau wins the Albert Einstein Peace Prize.
1985 – U.S. Route 66 ceases to be an official U.S. highway.
2005 – AMD files broad antitrust complaints against Intel Corporation in U.S. Federal District Court, alleging abuse of monopoly powers and antitrust violations
2007 – Tony Blair resigns as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He is succeeded by Gordon Brown.
2008 – Bill Gates steps down as Chairman of Microsoft Corporation to work full time for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
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austin_blue Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:08am |
My favorite Auden poem, first heard in Four Weddings and a Funeral.
Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone.
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.
Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead
He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever: I was wrong.
{weep}
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:10am |
re: #53 rustler
Supposedly, it's a cardiologist, hired by the British comeback concert folks, who was with MJ at the time of the Demerol injection, and tried to recussitate, and then called 911 after no recusitation. He was AWOL when the police arrived & impounded his BMW. I don't know if he's talked to the cops yet.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:47am |
re: #55 redc1c4
I'm counting on you for back up. And extra rats.....
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:53am |
re: #56 Noam Sayin'
We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
/may I have 10000 marbles, please?
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:01:13am |
re: #50 freetoken
Is that anything similar to passing gas?
Seriously, Jackson will continue to dominate the media, especially as the questions mount.
i miss most of them, so i only get what i get by accident......
an OD, accidental, or otherwise, on his part, would not surprise me, but the first indications i've seen in the (fairly) responsible media have indicated otherwise......
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:01:48am |
re: #59 austin_blue
My favorite Auden poem, first heard in Four Weddings and a Funeral.
Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone.
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.
Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead
He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever: I was wrong.{weep}
And, if that doesn't make you cry for a loved one, nothing will.
It makes me cry, every time.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:04am |
re: #56 Noam Sayin'
We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
i'll be your Huckleberry.........
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ArchangelMichael Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:05am |
re: #48 freetoken
Pat Boone is doing some serious 'nirthing again, cheering on Corsi et. al. Boone is seriously over into Alex-Jones-quality land these days.
He's been a kook for quite some time. After being a creationist, televangelist, and a World NUT Daily contributor it's only natural to wind up in the Nirth Certifikat crowd. In fact, I'd be surprised if didn't end up supporting that nonsense.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:57am |
re: #57 Killian Bundy
Oh yeah, I was late to a previous thread, you probably missed my question.
/assume AGW, what good is and cap and trade scheme without China and India participating?
fucking us over?
/the obvious answer
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austin_blue Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:03:15am |
re: #64 Floral Giraffe
And, if that doesn't make you cry for a loved one, nothing will.
It makes me cry, every time.
Yes. Unadulterated pain made poetry.
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I Need A Bigger Gun Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:04:05am |
In the middle of the cap-and-trade debacle, Fox News has decided to become the Michael Jackson network. O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta van Lockjaw: wall-to-wall MJ coverage. Despicable. God, how I miss Brit Hume.
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ArchangelMichael Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:04:34am |
re: #57 Killian Bundy
Oh yeah, I was late to a previous thread, you probably missed my question.
/assume AGW, what good is and cap and trade scheme without China and India participating?
It will divide the US CO2 output by zero.
and then we will all be sucked into the black hole that creates
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:04:43am |
re: #62 Killian Bundy
/may I have 10000 marbles, please?
Good thinking. We'll need marbles.
... and a Huckleberry.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:04:51am |
Damn it!
/they preempted Red Eye again so Greta can practice Jackson necrophilia on the TV for an extra hour
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:05:09am |
re: #62 Killian Bundy
/may I have 10000 marbles, please?
get'em yourself: i've started to drink heavily.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:05:32am |
re: #48 freetoken
Pat Boone is doing some serious 'nirthing again, cheering on Corsi et. al. Boone is seriously over into Alex-Jones-quality land these days.
If he thinks these troofer pursuits will bear any fruit, he has another thing coming.
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Ateam Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:05:49am |
re: #44 gmsc
Yep - and it seems Michael Jackson's doctor has abandoned his car at Michael Jackson's house, and it nowhere to be found.
This doesn't look good for the doctor.
I prefer 1 MJ 6 foot under, than 2 doctors with seat belts
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:06:00am |
re: #72 Killian Bundy
Damn it!
/they preempted Red Eye again so Greta can practice Jackson necrophilia on the TV for an extra hour
do they have any video of Greta and MJ? that might explain a few things.....
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:06:16am |
re: #73 redc1c4
get'em yourself: i've started to drink heavily.
Be a good Huckleberry and get him his marbles, will ya?
Starting to rain here, KB.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:06:56am |
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:10:15am |
Mm... That first bit of rain, knocking down the dust, smells so good.
Lightning.
thunder in the distance
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:11:35am |
re: #59 austin_blue
I love that Auden poem, but this is the other one that stays with me. It's been on my mind ever since watching events in Iran unfold, especially the death of that poor girl Neda.
It's about how human suffering is taking place while somewhere in the world life is going on, and people are wondering what to have for dinner
Musee des Beaux Arts
W. H. Auden
About suffering they were never wrong,
The old Masters: how well they understood
Its human position: how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
In Breughel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water, and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
Had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.
-------------------------------------------------
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ArchangelMichael Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:11:38am |
re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth
If he thinks these troofer pursuits will bear any fruit, he has another thing coming.
For someone who has spent a great deal of time and energy denouncing anything and everything he perceives as gay, that track seems very... well you can probably figure out where I'm going with this.
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Syrah Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:12:10am |
re: #80 Noam Sayin'
Mm... That first bit of rain, knocking down the dust, smells so good.
Lightning.
thunder in the distance
The poetry of nature.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:12:24am |
re: #79 pat
I hate this Jackson shit.
May I offer a bit of advice? Don't pick it up.
/And do try not to step in it.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:12:28am |
re: #77 Noam Sayin'
Be a good Huckleberry and get him his marbles, will ya?
Starting to rain here, KB.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:13:01am |
re: #79 pat
A tortured soul, to be sure. A talented artist who touched many souls, yes, but can't we let him RIP? Not in this media era for ratings.....
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pat Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:14:47am |
I have a Jackson song on my iPod. One. Man in the Mirror. I like it.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:14:48am |
MAJOR BREAKING NEWS FLASH!
Micheal Jackon is still dead. We now return to our round the clock coverage of his death, already in progress.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:15:02am |
Shall I karma whore?
998 here.
Just so you know!
LOLOL!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:15:36am |
To hell with all this King of Pop bullshit- I want to see the porteña Gov. Sanford figured was worth playing count-the-mistakes for.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:02am |
re: #90 Floral Giraffe
Shall I karma whore?
998 here.
Just so you know!
LOLOL!
1000, just so you know, unless i down ding you. %-)
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:29am |
re: #67 redc1c4
fucking us over?
/the obvious answer
What, you don't think we should, as a country, unilaterally shoot our economy in the face to save Mother Gæa?
/like the Nostril (caution, stand back, jet intake) King has Mother Gæa's best interests in mind anyway
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:50am |
re: #91 Fenway_Nation
It will come. That woman's privacy is worth a fortune, now.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:54am |
re: #91 Fenway_Nation
To hell with all this King of Pop bullshit- I want to see the porteña Gov. Sanford figured was worth playing count-the-mistakes for.
Ooh la la
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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pat Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:17:45am |
re: #91 Fenway_Nation
She is hot, in a Latina way. Dark with heavy brows. Pretty, I think. Unfortunately looks just like his wife 20 years ago. That is a bit off color.
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austin_blue Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:17:53am |
Adios Lizards. Sweet dreams. Fair winds for you.
85 right now at 2:00. 106 today. 105 projected tomorrow. Thank God the humidity will be down. If Pat Buchanan was here, it would be a dry hate.
bada-bing.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:18:01am |
re: #92 redc1c4
You really like me!
Thank you to all the little people............
///////
Kewl to break 1000.
It's a landmark, I tell you!
:)
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StudSupreme Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:18:59am |
re: #91 Fenway_Nation
I've seen a picture of her. She used to be a junior TV anchor in Argentina. Not to be vicious, but honestly - she's at most a 6, and that's on her best day.
Gov Sanford has demonstrated a suprising level of Beta manletude.
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:19:13am |
re: #96 pink freud
Ooh la la
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Really? She's cute, but I know women I wouldn't drive to the suburbs for far cuter than her.
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gmsc Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:19:22am |
re: #100 Floral Giraffe
You really like me!
Thank you to all the little people............
///////Kewl to break 1000.
It's a landmark, I tell you!
:)
Details of the secret handshake will be emailed to you, as will the address of the REAL LGF site.
;)
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:19:24am |
re: #101 Fenway_Nation
Any word on what she does career-wise?
It's in the link I posted. More or less.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:19am |
re: #101 Fenway_Nation
TV, see #102. SHe's OK, well, hotter than me, but not Bo Derek caliber...
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:37am |
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pat Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:44am |
re: #101 Fenway_Nation
Sure. She is news caster. The Argentinian spot girl for 9/11. And as near as I can tell, did a good job.
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Truck Monkey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:50am |
re: #96 pink freud
Ooh la la
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I'd hit that. I would maybe even go to Argentina to do it.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:55am |
re: #105 pink freud
OK...I'm not ignoring your link (even tho' it's the NY Slimes). It's just that it's taking forever to load and all these comments are further fuelling my curiosity.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:21:06am |
re: #104 gmsc
Details of the secret handshake will be emailed to you, as will the address of the REAL LGF site.
;)
OOOH!
Kewl!
TYVM!
I'm honored!
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:21:28am |
re: #103 Noam Sayin'
Really? She's cute, but I know women I wouldn't drive to the suburbs for far cuter than her.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:21:29am |
re: #91 Fenway_Nation
To hell with all this King of Pop bullshit- I want to see the porteña Gov. Sanford figured was worth playing count-the-mistakes for.
here ya go..... ya gotta wait a few seconds though.
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:21:40am |
4 gmscFor the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.
— W. H. AudenThat poem reminds me of Edgar Allan Poe's Annabel Lee:
It reminds me of Eden Ahbez's "Nature Boy":
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:22:01am |
re: #83 ArchangelMichael
I think Boone was trying to bite this guy's style.
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AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:22:32am |
re: #18 Fenway_Nation
I left my rum & coke in the next room.....is seperation anxiety applicable here?
You're excused, but hurry back.
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:05am |
re: #98 pat
She is hot, in a Latina way. Dark with heavy brows. Pretty, I think. Unfortunately looks just like his wife 20 years ago. That is a bit off color.
re: #102 StudSupreme
I've seen a picture of her. She used to be a junior TV anchor in Argentina. Not to be vicious, but honestly - she's at most a 6, and that's on her best day.
I think the pictures we've seen don't do her justice. I can easily see how, with better lighting, better mood, etc., she could appear much more attractive than she seems to be in that newscasting clip.
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austin_blue Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:23am |
re: #82 iceweasel
I love that Auden poem, but this is the other one that stays with me. It's been on my mind ever since watching events in Iran unfold, especially the death of that poor girl Neda.
It's about how human suffering is taking place while somewhere in the world life is going on, and people are wondering what to have for dinner
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.Okay, that's kind of chilling.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:36am |
a href="[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]>US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship
Likely Destination of N Korean Ship Often Used for Weapons Deliveries
This is nationally embarrassing, can someone please check Michelle's purse for her husband's balls?
/hey Obama, thanks for the naval escort!
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:55am |
re: #110 Fenway_Nation
She worked for a news agency called "America". She was in the US sometimes around 2001. The "steamy" letters were revealed by a spurned boyfriend.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:25:45am |
re: #101 Fenway_Nation
Any word on what she does career-wise?
hides from the press?
(at least these days.... %-)
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:25:49am |
Those pics- they're video stills from her post 9/11 broadcast?
If that's the case, they're nearly 7½ years old. She looks pretty plain, and she's a little bundled up, so I can't erally tell what kind of body she's got.
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Syrah Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:26:11am |
re: #120 Killian Bundy
a href="[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]>US will not use force to inspect NKorean ship
Likely Destination of N Korean Ship Often Used for Weapons Deliveries
This is nationally embarrassing, can someone please check Michelle's purse for her husband's balls?
/hey Obama, thanks for the naval escort!
Obama Foreign Policy: Aggressive groveling and hand wringing.
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pat Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:26:11am |
I go with Zombie on this. I can see hot across the room while looking at the menu.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:26:18am |
re: #118 zombie
Yeah but Zom ....she reads Greenspan on the beach!
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:27:10am |
re: #125 pat
I go with Zombie on this. I can see hot across the room while looking at the menu.
I'm with you and Zom. Agreed.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:28:26am |
re: #57 Killian Bundy
/assume AGW, what good is and cap and trade scheme without China and India participating?
Well, I was at the gym when Charles posted it... and by the time I got back the next thread had started.
In reference to your question:
China welcomes U.S. climate bill, says more needed
China's top climate change official on Friday welcomed a U.S. climate change bill but said Washington needed to take stronger action to ensure success at year-end talks to settle a global framework on warming.
A photon of infrared light doesn't know, doesn't care from which country the CO2 molecule which absorbs it originated. Only we humans do... and therein sits the toughest issue in addressing human actions (of all sorts) wrt the environment: dealing with claims of inequity.
I know of no way to guarantee what any given country will do (as opposed to what they say they will do.)
Ultimately we all will pay some price, for all the various actions taken whose adverse effects mount up to a material negative in human living conditions.
Of the two, I suspect the Chinese would be more willing to work with a world conglomerate approach to AGW, than will the Indians. Though the Indians have much to lose if by the year 2100 the world is 3 degrees warmer (heck, they have much to lose if it is only 2 degrees warmer), frankly the Indians just don't have their act together.
At least the Chinese are going gangbusters on both nuclear and wind (and to a lesser extent solar), as well as having expanded their hydro in recent years. The Chinese are also painfully aware of keeping up with their Asian competitors in lifestyle as well as energy. My take is that the Indians area too caught up in their own world.
So, in the end, there are no promises which can be guaranteed.
But that is true in other issues besides AGW - nuclear proliferation, environmental degradation (besides GW), resource competition, food deficits, etc.
The Europeans are hoping the US joins with them in trying to convince the developing world to work on CO2 pollution. However, IMO that is only half the battle. The energy exporters, Russia and OPEC, have made it quite clear they are not willing to go along with limiting their exports. At the last big summit in Bali the Russians and OPEC were more effective in scuttling any hopes of a deal than the US was.
IMO the Waxman-Markey bill is a loser, if for no other reason that it won't pass the Senate in the current form, and whatever finally does pass the Senate will be true "greenwashing", as Dr. Hansen likes to point out. All it will end up being is a tax bill with unsubstantial effects on CO2 pollution. The hard deadline in the bill is set to the year 2050... long after the current politicians are out of office and probably after most of them are buried.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:30:25am |
OK...based on the few pictures I've seen of her, I can honestly say my Argentine amiga con derechos was much hotter....
/I could go on and on about the Chilean women I encountered.
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:30:56am |
re: #123 Fenway_Nation
Those pics- they're video stills from her post 9/11 broadcast?
If that's the case, they're nearly 7½ years old. She looks pretty plain, and she's a little bundled up, so I can't erally tell what kind of body she's got.
She's got dark circles under her eyes, probably from staying up 48 hours straight covering 9/11, and has limp hair, and a scowling sombre expression. So it's only natural that's she's not looking her best in that broadcast. But she has excellent skull structure, and that's all that matters. 7 1/2 years ago, doesn't matter. Good bones don't go away.
Also, as you mention, the Gov apparently went after her for her hot body, which we can't see.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:31:26am |
re: #130 Fenway_Nation
OK...based on the few pictures I've seen of her, I can honestly say my Argentine amiga con derechos was much hotter....
/I could go on and on about the Chilean women I encountered.
Yeah yeah yeah, but don't you have a beauty queen in your background? ;-)
:P
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:31:27am |
re: #129 Catttt
You have... unique tastes. Can't judge, though, as I am a bit weird myself.
/note to self: you will never look girly enough to please Cattt
//
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Ateam Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:31:48am |
While walking along beach line this morning (and eating Mediterranean breakfast) I spotted dozens of beauties ranked 3 degree higher then this Argentina's women.
[don't cry 4 me, SC]
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:32:51am |
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:33:16am |
Blonde.
/there's no halfway, it's all or brunette
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:33:20am |
re: #131 zombie
Plus there's the old chemistry thing, yes? Maybe they clicked. God knows what she saw in HIM, but maybe it was the power is an aphrodisiac thing.......but he's such a schlep. Besides, are we talking affair or mistress? Oh well.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:33:52am |
re: #132 pink freud
And second base with this incredibly hot andout-of-my-league Persian girl!
/The mullahs should be dangling from cranes just for forcing Iranian/Persian women to cover themselves up in burlap potato sacks or whatever the appropriate term for them is....
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:34:06am |
re: #119 austin_blue
Very chilling. Here is the Brueghel painting he was writing about:
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:34:50am |
re: #134 Ateam
And they were probably IDF reservists....
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:35:00am |
re: #138 Fenway_Nation
And second base with this incredibly hot andout-of-my-league Persian girl!
/The mullahs should be dangling from cranes just for forcing Iranian/Persian women to cover themselves up in burlap potato sacks or whatever the appropriate term for them is....
How far is second base these days?
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:36:34am |
re: #142 pink freud
Umm....let's say six years ago would've been making out and some petting.
/That's probably the kids say 'hello' these days.
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:37:11am |
re: #137 Catttt
Plus there's the old chemistry thing, yes? Maybe they clicked. ...
No no no, we have to be shallow and judge her entirely on her looks! That's what the Internet is all about. Chemistry? Love? Pshaw! We need to rank body parts on a 1 - 10 scale and then quickly move on to the next victim of public dismemberment.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:37:29am |
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:37:51am |
re: #129 Catttt
people have died horrible deaths for less than that.....
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:37:57am |
re: #143 Fenway_Nation
Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification. :-)
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pbird Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:37:57am |
re: #144 zombie
No no no, we have to be shallow and judge her entirely on her looks! That's what the Internet is all about. Chemistry? Love? Pshaw! We need to rank body parts on a 1 - 10 scale and then quickly move on to the next victim of public dismemberment.
Of course.
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Ateam Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:37:57am |
re: #141 Fenway_Nation
And they were probably IDF reservists....
Probably. I would say some of them r in regular service...or before draft.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:38:19am |
re: #137 Catttt
Plus there's the old chemistry thing, yes? Maybe they clicked. God knows what she saw in HIM, but maybe it was the power is an aphrodisiac thing.......but he's such a schlep. Besides, are we talking affair or mistress? Oh well.
Odd, isn't it? They don't even seem to have spent much time together; it was all via email and phone. She was probably in love with an idea of him, rather than with him.
Same for him, probably. In love with the idea of not being married, not being a father, not being a governor.
Looks like he might get those wishes.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:38:50am |
re: #35 Noam Sayin'
I'm thinking Jack Bauer has the right idea of what's required...
' I'm gonna need a hacksaw'
Wielded with abandon on Waxman-Markey by the Senate, if there's any hope left for us.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:38:50am |
My eyes are killing me. 4 hours of close detail work.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:39:16am |
re: #130 Fenway_Nation
OK...based on the few pictures I've seen of her, I can honestly say my Argentine amiga con derechos was much hotter....
/I could go on and on about the Chilean women I encountered.
but no one would believe you, and a gentleman wouldn't tell anyway.
/white smoke
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:40:39am |
re: #144 zombie
Y'know....I'd love to go back there someday, but I'm going to have to assume that most of the people I talk to in Latin America are in the Chavez/Morales camp of let's-blame-the-gringo-imperialistas for-our-domestic-problems.
Maybe part of the attraction could've been that she was reasonably pro-America; something she could've picked up by being in the country on the heels of 9/11.
/just a thought.
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:40:41am |
So...did I hear this correctly? I was just listening to Lars Larson, and he talked about there being the requirement in this bill for an energy audit by the feds before anyone will be able to sell a house. If it's not up to the standard they're imposing, you'll have to spend money to get it up to code before you will even be allowed to put it on the market.
Has anyone else heard about this?
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:42:11am |
re: #155 capitalist piglet
So...did I hear this correctly? I was just listening to Lars Larson, and he talked about there being the requirement in this bill for an energy audit by the feds before anyone will be able to sell a house. If it's not up to the standard they're imposing, you'll have to spend money to get it up to code before you will even be allowed to put it on the market.
Has anyone else heard about this?
Boehner spoke about it when he was filibustering. Yes.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:42:41am |
re: #118 zombie
She's very pretty, it appears... reminds me of a Latina Jackie Kennedy.
And she does remind me of his wife, not all that many years ago.
Which really stinks.
Those boys need to be reassured and reinforced for the rest of their growing- up lives that this is not how a husband and father lives his life.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:42:57am |
re: #155 capitalist piglet
Upding for listening to the Lars Larson show.
I think that and pretty much re-training all the real-estate assesors was part of the 300+ page amendment that was slipped in less than 24hrs ago.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:43:32am |
Mental note: Keep a repository of some kind regarding folks commenting on the relative "hawtness" of Maria from Argentina in the event that the next headline post on the subject inspires another round of "WHY IS THIS NEWS, THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO TALK ABOUT" comments.
//////
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shiplord kirel Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:45:27am |
This MJ stuff isn't bothering me a bit, because I am not watching it. Everything I know about media coverage of the weird one's demise has come indirectly through the Lizardoid minions.
Even so, I can't help but feel that this is a tragedy and a waste. With more time, MJ could potentially have cleaned up his life, repented and confessed his wrongdoing, and put his enormous talent to some productive use. What were the chances of this? They were probably always pretty slim, to be honest, but now there is no chance at all.
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:45:36am |
Anybody have an update on the 300 page amendment which received fifteen minutes of consideration between introduction and vote?
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:45:42am |
re: #155 capitalist piglet
So...did I hear this correctly? I was just listening to Lars Larson, and he talked about there being the requirement in this bill for an energy audit by the feds before anyone will be able to sell a house. If it's not up to the standard they're imposing, you'll have to spend money to get it up to code before you will even be allowed to put it on the market.
Has anyone else heard about this?
I seriously doubt it. All home sales would grind to a halt, and the economy would almost immediately collapse.
The Fed bureaucracy is agonizingly slow and inefficient, and couldn't possibly inspect the millions of homes per year which come on the market.
The City of Berkeley did in fact try to implement something similar to that (compelling homeowners to spend up to $30,000 to upgrade their homes' energy efficiency), but even in crazytown Berkeley there was a citizens' revolt and the requirement was unceremoniously dropped.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:09am |
re: #164 zombie
I seriously doubt it. All home sales would grind to a halt, and the economy would almost immediately collapse.
I can easily believe they would be stupid enough to put this in. They didn't even read the damn thing. This entire thing cripples the economy in the first place.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:10am |
re: #155 capitalist piglet
Oh yeah, that's gonna play really well around Markey's Back Bay/Waxman's old art deco Hollywood/Bel Air/constituents and in the historic districts of MA and CT where you can't even lay a paint brush on a building designated as having historical significance .
That would almost be fun to watch.
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Ateam Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:22am |
Banana-Beach, Tel-aviv
[Link: images.google.co.il...]
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:39am |
re: #164 zombie
Thanks, zombie - but see the replies given me by pink freud and Fenway - 157 and 159. Seems to be in there.
It's almost like they're actively trying to kill the economy.
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:51am |
re: #159 Fenway_Nation
Upding for listening to the Lars Larson show.
I think that and pretty much re-training all the real-estate assesors was part of the 300+ page amendment that was slipped in less than 24hrs ago.
If that's true, the economy is in serious serious trouble.
Either this bill will fail in the Senate, or that provision will be conveniently ignored, because it's basically unenforceable.
Otherwise -- welcome to the New Great Depression.
Who they do energy audits on my Obamaville shanty?
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:59am |
re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sorry, but going to have to go for the rebuttal on total hotness
She's hot, but Adam's haaawwwwwwt. And of course, he sings like an angel.
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shiplord kirel Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:49:14am |
re: #91 Fenway_Nation
To hell with all this King of Pop bullshit- I want to see the porteña Gov. Sanford figured was worth playing count-the-mistakes for.
I'll second that. The AWOL Guv did make various references to her anatomy, including luscious tan lines, in the leaked e-mails. Let's have a look so we can decide for ourselves. Release the paparazzi! Inquiring minds want to know!
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:49:30am |
re: #144 zombie
No no no, we have to be shallow and judge her entirely on her looks! That's what the Internet is all about. Chemistry? Love? Pshaw! We need to rank body parts on a 1 - 10 scale and then quickly move on to the next victim of public dismemberment.
What can I say? Wicked passion is my middle name. :D
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:49:39am |
re: #169 zombie
If that's true, the economy is in serious serious trouble.
Either this bill will fail in the Senate, or that provision will be conveniently ignored, because it's basically unenforceable.
Otherwise -- welcome to the New Great Depression.
Who they do energy audits on my Obamaville shanty?
ACORN will be sending some people by.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:49:41am |
re: #159 Fenway_Nation
I think that and pretty much re-training all the real-estate assesors was part of the 300+ page amendment that was slipped in less than 24hrs ago.
/it's a recent legislative trend, you just need to vote for what Obama and Pelosi tell you to vote for, you don't need to read it, it's over 1000 pages long, and it keeps changing after the vote anyway
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BatGuano Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:50:21am |
A news crew came to the house of a man who had just turned 100. The reporter asked him, " To what do you owe your longevity?"
He replied, "I have never taken a drink of alcohol in my life". Just then, there was a commotion from upstairs. It was the sound of furniture flying and broken glass and slamming doors. The alarmed reporter asked, "What was that?"
He said, "That was my dad. He's a mean drunk"
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:50:54am |
Was Michael Jackson killed by injection to ease his pain?
This is only the beginning... wait till the various family members become involved. And the lawyers, oh yes, the lawyers...
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:51:25am |
Who they do energy audits on my Obamaville shanty?
=
Will they do energy audits on my Obamaville shanty?
PIMF
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:52:36am |
re: #163 haakondahl
Anybody have an update on the 300 page amendment which received fifteen minutes of consideration between introduction and vote?
yup: it's still in there.....
(you were expecting details, maybe? %-)
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:52:41am |
re: #170 Catttt
She's hot, but Adam's haaawwwwwwt. And of course, he sings like an angel.
Well, when Lucy sings, well, she says it better than I
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:52:48am |
re: #177 freetoken
Fine...I can play this stupid-ass game.
Micheal Jackson was killed by operatives from the 0bama administration to deflect the public's attention from the upcoming vote on cap & trade that went before the House.
//get new roll of tinfoil for hedgear.
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:52:54am |
re: #170 Catttt
She's hot, but Adam's haaawwwwwwt.
You do realize he's gayer than a 3-dollar bill, right?
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:52:56am |
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:53:40am |
re: #163 haakondahl
Anybody have an update on the 300 page amendment which received fifteen minutes of consideration between introduction and vote?
Never mind. Passed the house.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:54:06am |
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:54:48am |
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haakondahl Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:55:38am |
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:55:52am |
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shiplord kirel Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:56:27am |
re: #177 freetoken
Was Michael Jackson killed by injection to ease his pain?
This is only the beginning... wait till the various family members become involved. And the lawyers, oh yes, the lawyers...
I see they haven't implicated Cheney yet. Just give them time. I'm sure the usual suspects will all be recycling the various equally plausible but mutually contradictory JFK assassination theories they've concocted over the years.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:56:28am |
re: #188 haakondahl
It's the ONLY chance, and I'm not that optimistic. It's not like this turd's gonna get vetoed.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:56:52am |
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:57:22am |
re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, when Lucy sings, well, she says it better than I
[Video]
I totally like her better as a brunette. She looks weird to me as a blonde.
I hate that song, but if Adam sang it - hot. :D
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zombie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:57:24am |
re: #183 pink freud
Here you go, CP
Where in that link is any mention of energy audits for all home sales?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:57:37am |
re: #162 shiplord kirel
Not defending him by any means, but his "wrongdoings" were alleged, and he was acquitted. Without knowing the intimate details of his life or the court proceedings, all I can say is that he was accused of something and found innocent in a U.S. court.
Certainly the dude was off. Troubled and way off. But the only thing most of us know is that he was accused of something that did not stick.
Sure, he wouldn't be the first guilty person to beat the rap. He also wouldn't be the first innocent person who was wrongfully accused.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:58:12am |
re: #191 Fenway_Nation
It's the ONLY chance, and I'm not that optimistic. It's not like this turd's gonna get vetoed.
Read something earlier about Frankens' vote being especially important here.
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Syrah Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:58:12am |
re: #188 haakondahl
Chance for it to go down in the Senate.
Even if it fails in the senate this time, there is a better chance that it will pass next time.
The barrier has been broken.
The line has been crossed.
What was unthinkable is now just a matter of time.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:58:32am |
Wonder how many of TOTUS' harebrained schemes will have to be scraped off the books and rolled back when the USA's showrunners finally realize that they were all suckered by just so much totally unworkable campaign rhetoric ?
I'm staying up late tracking my kid brother's flight to Italy and thinking there's no way the airline will be able to keep that route running when we're hit with kneeCap & eliminate Trade.
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:58:47am |
re: #186 Fenway_Nation
Yep- we're fucked.
Basically, we're on our way to hell in a handbasket. Pass the coffee and pie!
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Truck Monkey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:59:13am |
re: #181 Fenway_Nation
Fine...I can play this stupid-ass game.
Micheal Jackson was killed by operatives from the 0bama administration to deflect the public's attention from the upcoming vote on cap & trade that went before the House.
//get new roll of tinfoil for hedgear.
Well duh. MJ is the shiny object us dumb masses are supposed to be looking at to divert our attention from the esteemed house passing Kneecap and Trade. Obama had to kill him.
///
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:59:40am |
So Killian- is the passage of this kneecap and trade dog turd actionable from an investing standpoint?
I was thinking overseas mining companies or steel producers like POSCO, BHP or Vale do Rio Doce?
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:59:50am |
re: #193 Catttt
I totally like her better as a brunette. She looks weird to me as a blonde.
I can see taking a week off work and flying to Argentina for her as a blonde or brunette.
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shiplord kirel Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:00:08am |
re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth
Not defending him by any means, but his "wrongdoings" were alleged, and he was acquitted. Without knowing the intimate details of his life or the court proceedings, all I can say is that he was accused of something and found innocent in a U.S. court.
Certainly the dude was off. Troubled and way off. But the only thing most of us know is that he was accused of something that did not stick.
Sure, he wouldn't be the first guilty person to beat the rap. He also wouldn't be the first innocent person who was wrongfully accused.
I would actually agree that he was probably innocent in the case for which he stood trial. However, he paid $20 million in hush money to an earlier victim. An innocent man doesn't do that.
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:00:21am |
re: #182 zombie
You do realize he's gayer than a 3-dollar bill, right?
Yes, dear. That makes him hotter. It's hard to explain.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:00:24am |
HAARP killed Michael Jackson.
It was a short burst, never show up in an autopsy.
/who pushed the button?
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:01:18am |
re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can see taking a week off work and flying to Argentina for her as a blonde or brunette.
Don't kid me. You'd fly south for her if she were bald as a billiard ball. :D
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:02:05am |
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shiplord kirel Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:02:11am |
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:03:02am |
re: #204 shiplord kirel
I would actually agree that he was probably innocent in the case for which he stood trial. However, he paid $20 million in hush money to an earlier victim. An innocent man doesn't do that.
He might, if he couldn't stand the thought of the media circus that would be sure to erupt, whether he was guilty or innocent.
I'm not taking a position either way here, but he was already upset at being called "Wacko Jacko" and other forms of media attention. Seems like he was pretty fragile psychologically.
I don't think we're ever going to know.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:03:42am |
re: #194 zombie
Where in that link is any mention of energy audits for all home sales?
That is only the 300 page amendment, Zombie. I don't know if what I heard from Boehner on CSpan earlier was referring to information in the original bill or the amendment. He did speak about what CP was asking about.
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:03:54am |
re: #182 zombie
You do realize he's gayer than a 3-dollar bill, right?
Wait - three-dollar bills are gay?
Ooooooh - Kradam! Kris and Adam's bromance is huge this week.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:04:00am |
re: #202 Fenway_Nation
So Killian- is the passage of this kneecap and trade dog turd actionable from an investing standpoint?
I was thinking overseas mining companies or steel producers like POSCO, BHP or Vale do Rio Doce?
Let's see what the Senate does, months down the road.
/could be long certain sectors or short/put all the major U.S. indexes/ETFs
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:04:50am |
re: #194 zombie
Where in that link is any mention of energy audits for all home sales?
use your decoder ring, grasshopper.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:05:06am |
re: #206 Killian Bundy
In all seriousness, The Doctor Did It.
I can't think of any other possible explanation for forty-five minutes of supposed CPR attempted on a bed by any kind of physician.
At least he would have moved him to the floor while hitting 911 within a really short few minutes.
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shiplord kirel Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:06:22am |
re: #211 iceweasel
He might, if he couldn't stand the thought of the media circus that would be sure to erupt, whether he was guilty or innocent.
I'm not taking a position either way here, but he was already upset at being called "Wacko Jacko" and other forms of media attention. Seems like he was pretty fragile psychologically.
I don't think we're ever going to know.
Not to belabor the point, but MJ was not lacking in intelligence. He would have known that a payoff would lead to shakedown attempts in the future. Personally, I think that is exactly what happened. It must have been a very bad situation from his point of view for the payoff to seem like the lesser risk.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:06:24am |
re: #212 pink freud
That is only the 300 page amendment, Zombie. I don't know if what I heard from Boehner on CSpan earlier was referring to information in the original bill or the amendment. He did speak about what CP was asking about.
H.R. 2454 – American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009
/what, do I have to blog or something?
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:07:09am |
re: #200 Catttt
Basically, we're on our way to hell in a handbasket. Pass the
coffee and piebeer & pretzels!
FTFY!
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:07:46am |
re: #216 tradewind
In all seriousness, The Doctor Did It.
I can't think of any other possible explanation for forty-five minutes of supposed CPR attempted on a bed by any kind of physician.
At least he would have moved him to the floor while hitting 911 within a really short few minutes.
In related news, I heard reports of significant facial scarring visible without the makeup he usually had plastered on. Guy was probably in agony. A lot of his wierdness could have been he was high on painkillers all the time.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:08:06am |
re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth
He admitted to taking little boys into his own bed ' innocently' on sleepovers.
That's wrongdoing right there, whether or not he thought he abused them.
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Truck Monkey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:08:25am |
re: #216 tradewind
In all seriousness, The Doctor Did It.
I can't think of any other possible explanation for forty-five minutes of supposed CPR attempted on a bed by any kind of physician.
At least he would have moved him to the floor while hitting 911 within a really short few minutes.
Are you sure it wasn't Professor Plum, with a wrench, in the drawing room?
/In all seriousness, the toxicology reports will tell all.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:09:24am |
re: #218 Killian Bundy
H.R. 2454 – American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009
/what, do I have to blog or something?
Dammit, Killian, I intentionally didn't go looking for that! :-)
/you mean it's supposed to be read?
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:25am |
re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
(Ya think)?
Reportedly there was an absolute cartel-sized stash of drugs with multiple RX's
in the house. Somebody's going down for that one...... besides MJ.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:57am |
re: #217 shiplord kirel
Not to belabor the point, but MJ was not lacking in intelligence. He would have known that a payoff would lead to shakedown attempts in the future. Personally, I think that is exactly what happened. It must have been a very bad situation from his point of view for the payoff to seem like the lesser risk.
You could be right.
I don't think we always act rationally though, and Jackson certainly didn't always act rationally.
Didn't the earlier payout involve some kind of contract, some kind of attempt to make sure the accuser wouldn't 'come back to the well' for more cash?
Maybe he was guilty. I know I thought so at the time, but the truth is I didn't pay much attention to any of it.
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ArchangelMichael Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:58am |
re: #164 zombie
I seriously doubt it. All home sales would grind to a halt, and the economy would almost immediately collapse.
Are you laboring under the illusion that the democrats give a damn about such things?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:12:15am |
re: #204 shiplord kirel
However, he paid $20 million in hush money to an earlier victim. An innocent man doesn't do that.
Many innocent people, and innocent corporations, do just that simply to make the bad publicity go away. It happens all the time. It's easier and more cost effective than a drawn out court battle that could ruin their public image. That said...
MJ was not a healthy minded man. My gut tells me "No duh! He's guilty as sin", but the court decisions did not bear that out.
And honestly, if it were your kid, and such a thing actually happened, how much "hush money" would you accept to let something like that go? If the premise is "Everyone has a price", would $20M be enough for you?
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:12:23am |
re: #216 tradewind
In all seriousness, The Doctor Did It.
I can't think of any other possible explanation for forty-five minutes of supposed CPR attempted on a bed by any kind of physician.
At least he would have moved him to the floor while hitting 911 within a really short few minutes.
Sudden cardiac arrest resulting from a drug overdose, he quit breathing.
/all the subsequent resuscitation antics just obscured the true time of death
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:12:39am |
re: #194 zombie
Here is a PDF (which in this case is pages of scanned images (!) so it is not searchable):
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
It's 310 pages.
On page 90 of that document, page 91 according Acrobat, there is a discussion on HUD housing efficiency standards. I haven't read it, will try to skim it, but I don't know if there are other parts on housing and at this hour I am unlikely to read it all.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:13:10am |
re: #226 iceweasel
You could be right.
I don't think we always act rationally though, and Jackson certainly didn't always act rationally.
Didn't the earlier payout involve some kind of contract, some kind of attempt to make sure the accuser wouldn't 'come back to the well' for more cash?Maybe he was guilty. I know I thought so at the time, but the truth is I didn't pay much attention to any of it.
I thought he was guilty. Trial said otherwise. If they were my kids, I wouldn't have let him within 100ft of them before or after the trial. Unless someone comes forward with proof now, we'll never know.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:13:42am |
That is the link I got from following the House Rules committee information on the bill. I assume that is the one that was approved to be added on the floor.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:13:49am |
re: #222 Truck Monkey
And sigh.... those full tox reports take weeks, or even if a rush is put on them, a week or more of this to put up with on the airwaves until the speculation is stopped.
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shiplord kirel Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:13:51am |
re: #226 iceweasel
You could be right.
I don't think we always act rationally though, and Jackson certainly didn't always act rationally.
Didn't the earlier payout involve some kind of contract, some kind of attempt to make sure the accuser wouldn't 'come back to the well' for more cash?Maybe he was guilty. I know I thought so at the time, but the truth is I didn't pay much attention to any of it.
Don't know what provisions there were for that, but MJ's lawyers seemed very confident the deal would hold, and it did. I do wonder if it required only that the alleged victim keep silent for the remainder of Jackson's lifetime. That would be usual in these kinds of arrangements. In that case, we might have some kind of revelation very shortly.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:13:53am |
re: #224 pink freud
Dammit, Killian, I intentionally didn't go looking for that! :-)
/you mean it's supposed to be read?
Take five minutes and skim the table of contents.
/it just screams boondoggle
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AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:15:45am |
tradewind
Greetings. Are you from the West Tennessee area?
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:15:54am |
re: #229 Killian Bundy
That's my point. Doc is dirty and covering, big time. He better be lawyered up heavily by now.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:16:01am |
From what I gather, the upshot is that of gathering various credits, for those housing projects that depend up on HUD funding or Federally funded housing financing, etc.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:17:51am |
So....just to update, I filled out the application that the railway in Pennsylvania was kind enough to send me via regular mail when I called and explained that I was having a hard time with the online application. I faxed it yesterday along with my DD214 and DMV printout.....
Then I hear that cap & trade is about to pass...and I immediately think about the company I just sent off my application to. Their bread and butter is anthricite coal as well as pipes and 'frac sand' for natural gas exploration along the Marcellus shale. If this thing passes, the House, congress and 0bama will have single-handedly curtailed a succesful American enterprise that started out a little over 20 years ago with a small cluster of seldom-used Penn Central/Erie-Lackawana branchlines and steadily grew in what's traditionally been an economically depressed area of the country.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:18:15am |
Page 323
10 (b) ESTABLISHMENT.—The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multifamily residences. The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy and the Director of Commercial High-Performance Green Buildings, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for nonresidential buildings. The programs to implement the residential and nonresidential policies based on the standards developed under this section shall together be known as the Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance (REEP) program.
[Link: frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...]
Retrofit implies existing residences.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:18:39am |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There was a report that the child had total recall of some err..... distinguishing characteristics of the littlest Jackson, which was why he had to submit to discovery in the form of photos.
Ick.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:17am |
re: #238 freetoken
From what I gather, the upshot is that of gathering various credits, for those housing projects that depend up on HUD funding or Federally funded housing financing, etc.
Instead of credits I need a team of lawyers and a phonebooks worth of forms to uncover and take advantage of, I'd rather keep my fucking money in the first place
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shiplord kirel Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:31am |
re: #228 Slumbering Behemoth
Many innocent people, and innocent corporations, do just that simply to make the bad publicity go away. It happens all the time. It's easier and more cost effective than a drawn out court battle that could ruin their public image. That said...
MJ was not a healthy minded man. My gut tells me "No duh! He's guilty as sin", but the court decisions did not bear that out.
And honestly, if it were your kid, and such a thing actually happened, how much "hush money" would you accept to let something like that go? If the premise is "Everyone has a price", would $20M be enough for you?
What I would do is not relevant. The fact is, Hollywood is full of people who do have a price, usually a lot less than $20M. I think acquittal and vindication in court would have been much better for MJ's career than the pay-off. In fact, the acquittal in the second case did seem to do him a lot of good. The pay-off in the first case did not make the bad publicity go away and has only fueled speculation over the years.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:33am |
re: #234 shiplord kirel
Don't know what provisions there were for that, but MJ's lawyers seemed very confident the deal would hold, and it did. I do wonder if it required only that the alleged victim keep silent for the remainder of Jackson's lifetime. That would be usual in these kinds of arrangements. In that case, we might have some kind of revelation very shortly.
Unfortunately, even then we might not know the truth. Everyone with any kind of story to tell (or make up) about MJ is going to be offered money from the tabloids and airtime, to feed the gaping maw of the MSM.
I expect all kinds of creeps to be coming out of the woodwork selling stories about "The Michael No One Knew" and all that sort of crap.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:49am |
re: #240 Gus 802
Fly-by-night no-license contractor alert in five, four. three....
BBB is gonna be hopping.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:21:23am |
re: #246 tradewind
Fly-by-night no-license contractor alert in five, four. three....
BBB is gonna be hopping.
They've got that covered! Federal standards...
Page 328
(2) BPI certification or licensing by States of residential building energy and environmental retrofit contractors, or an equivalent certification or licensing system as determined by the Administrator.
[Link: frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...]
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:22:35am |
re: #236 AmeriDan
Pretty much. Unless you're from the Middle Division, where they consider this town to be the bastard child of MS and AR......
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:23:25am |
re: #221 tradewind
He admitted to taking little boys into his own bed ' innocently' on sleepovers.
That's wrongdoing right there, whether or not he thought he abused them.
Um, as a little boy, I have slept in the same bed as adults without anything sexual happening. Sleeping in the same bed does not equal molestation or abuse.
And just for the record, I really do not care for MJ. The dude is off. But I know how false accusations can spread and infect minds eager to believe the worst. I've seen it happen in high school, where it becomes commonly accepted knowledge that a certain girl is a slut with a host of STDs, when in fact she is still a virgin.
And if some conclusive evidence comes out that he (MJ) did molest kids, I won't be the least bit surprised. So far, nothing legally actionable and evidentiary has come forward.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:24:17am |
re: #242 Catttt
Adorable - cute - funny - nice - sexy! Cute!
i do not think those words mean what you think they mean.......
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redc1c4 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:25:26am |
and i do believe i'll be going to bed now..........
hasta, y'all.
L8r!
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:25:34am |
re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth
I get the sleeping with family/friends in a bed when space is an issue.
But a stranger/moviestar/king of pop? Some randomly pointed-at child?
Doesn't even approach the sniff test.
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AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:25:49am |
re: #249 tradewind
Pretty much. Unless you're from the Middle Division, where they consider this town to be the bastard child of MS and AR......
I'm Memphis born and bred. I wear the distain and contempt shown to us from the "real" Tennessee as a badge of honor.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:26:53am |
re: #238 freetoken
From what I gather, the upshot is that of gathering various credits, for those housing projects that depend up on HUD funding or Federally funded housing financing, etc.
If anyone's actually serious about AGW it should be an international treaty.
/not a Chicago style cash windfall for Bonkey investors in what was, before the legislation, totally worthless
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gmsc Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:27:23am |
re: #252 redc1c4
and i do believe i'll be going to bed now..........
hasta, y'all.
L8r!
G'Nite, red!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:27:41am |
All this talk about a dead [alleged] pedophile....
Here's a little eye-candy for those interested.
/pouty girls with Galils.....what's not to love?
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:29:13am |
re: #251 redc1c4
i do not think those words mean what you think they mean.......
Oh, trust me - I know what those words mean. If you mean what I think, then I suggest you stop right there. I DO know what I'm talking about.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:29:46am |
re: #255 AmeriDan
It's a great day for the city... King Willie is abdicating.
...Maybe.....
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:30:02am |
Is Ateam still here?
I'm dying to know....do the IDF reservists get to keep their uniform?
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:30:26am |
Page 342
(b) PURPOSE.—The purpose of this section is to assist low-income households residing in manufactured homes constructed prior to 1976 to save energy and energy expenditures by providing support toward the purchase of new Energy Star qualified manufactured homes.
(c) STATE IMPLEMENTATION OF PROGRAM.—
(1) MANUFACTURED HOME REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.—Any State may provide to the owner of a manufactured home constructed prior to 1976 a re1bate to use toward the purchase of a new Energy Star qualified manufactured home pursuant to this section.
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:27am |
re: #247 Gus 802
Oh, phew. I feel so much better after reading that.
Should have realized that the Democrats would look after us and make sure nothing could go wrong.
/sarc/
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:45am |
Page 343
(B) DISMANTLING AND REPLACEMENT.—A rebate described under paragraph (1) may be made only if the manufactured home constructed prior to 1976 will be—
(i) rendered unusable for human habitation (including appropriate recycling); and
(ii) replaced, in the same general location, as determined by the applicable State agency, with an Energy Star qualified manufactured home.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:57am |
re: #235 Killian Bundy
Phew. That's some revolting stuff to wade through.
I am curious about the their tinkering with the Earned Income Credit. Basically an expansion of welfare. Now available to those without children.
"Increase in Credit Percentage and Phaseout Percentage.
"Strike 7.65 and replace with 13.5"
"The table contained in sub12
paragraph (A) of section 32(b)(2) of such Code is
13 amended by striking ‘‘$5,280’’ and inserting
14 ‘‘$13,590’’.
Page 1025.
Haven't tracked it back to the tables, but at first glance it appears to be doubling of gvmt handouts.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:32:40am |
re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If they were my kids, I wouldn't have let him within 100ft of them before or after the trial.
His reputation (true or false) for his "weirdness with kids" is nearly twenty years old. Everyone heard about the rumors. Given this long time meme, who would let their kids hang out with him? Could it have something to do with money?
*sigh* I hate bringing these points up, because my gut tells me MJ is sick in the head and capable of such things, but the current facts do not confirm these allegations to be true.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:33:09am |
re: #263 tradewind
Oh, phew. I feel so much better after reading that.
Should have realized that the Democrats would look after us and make sure nothing could go wrong.
/sarc/
You should read this thing. It's full of mandates, regulations and spending. All Democrat inspired.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:33:39am |
re: #247 Gus 802
In that entire part, Title II, of the bill the issue of non-compliance is touched only briefly, from what I could find. It appears as if what is at stake is how much $$$ your state gets from the feds to pursue the various programs in the bill.
Not whether or not you are allowed to sell your house.
Or did I read that incorrectly?
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:33:46am |
re: #262 Gus 802
Page 342
(b) PURPOSE.—The purpose of this section is to assist low-income households residing in manufactured homes constructed prior to 1976 to save energy and energy expenditures by providing support toward the purchase of new Energy Star qualified manufactured homes.
(c) STATE IMPLEMENTATION OF PROGRAM.—
(1) MANUFACTURED HOME REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.—Any State may provide to the owner of a manufactured home constructed prior to 1976 a re1bate to use toward the purchase of a new Energy Star qualified manufactured home pursuant to this section.
You realize we may be the first people actually reading this.
Seriously, this is all very damn scary, which is why I'm trying to avoid thinking about it right now. Sigh.
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AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:34:34am |
re: #260 tradewind
It's a great day for the city... King Willie is abdicating.
...Maybe.....
I'm looking at his smug mug on the front page of the paper now. He's the Brett Farve of local politics.
/if brett farve were constantly under federal investigations, that is.
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Kragar Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:34:48am |
re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth
His reputation (true or false) for his "weirdness with kids" is nearly twenty years old. Everyone heard about the rumors. Given this long time meme, who would let their kids hang out with him? Could it have something to do with money?
*sigh* I hate bringing these points up, because my gut tells me MJ is sick in the head and capable of such things, but the current facts do not confirm these allegations to be true.
I got the feeling some people let their kids hang out with Jackson simply because of the money he threw at everything
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:35:25am |
re: #262 Gus 802
Question: doesn't "manufactured home' have a very specific meaning-- i.e., what we'd call a trailer?
That would explain the points on p 343 B (i), about dismantling it and recycling it, as well.
I don't think these provisions apply to all homes, just trailers, and even then only trailers constructed prior to 1976.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:36:10am |
re: #268 freetoken
In that entire part, Title II, of the bill the issue of non-compliance is touched only briefly, from what I could find. It appears as if what is at stake is how much $$$ your state gets from the feds to pursue the various programs in the bill.
Not whether or not you are allowed to sell your house.
Or did I read that incorrectly?
Maybe. I got up from a nap before and am starting to read this thing. A lot of it has "As determined by the Administrator." That usually means MORE bullshit up the pike.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:36:12am |
re: #256 Killian Bundy
If anyone's actually serious about AGW it should be an international treaty.
Did you read my long reply to you, well upstream?
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:37:23am |
re: #274 freetoken
Did you read my long reply to you, well upstream?
/yeah, but it's FNDT, did I do something wrong?
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:37:55am |
re: #272 iceweasel
Question: doesn't "manufactured home' have a very specific meaning-- i.e., what we'd call a trailer?
That would explain the points on p 343 B (i), about dismantling it and recycling it, as well.
I don't think these provisions apply to all homes, just trailers, and even then only trailers constructed prior to 1976.
Found this requirement:
an owner of a manufactured home constructed prior to 1976 shall demonstrate to the applicable State agency that the total income of all members the owner’s household does not exceed 200 percent of the Federal poverty level for income in the applicable area.
The actual definition of a manufactured home is there somewhere.
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:38:05am |
re: #272 iceweasel
Question: doesn't "manufactured home' have a very specific meaning-- i.e., what we'd call a trailer?
That would explain the points on p 343 B (i), about dismantling it and recycling it, as well.
I don't think these provisions apply to all homes, just trailers, and even then only trailers constructed prior to 1976.
Not just trailers - any home built primarily in a factory and transported to the site. It can be a modular home, with the modules assembled on site.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:38:43am |
re: #277 Catttt
Not just trailers - any home built primarily in a factory and transported to the site. It can be a modular home, with the modules assembled on site.
Yeah. Usually 2x4 stud wall. Modular, etc.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:39:35am |
re: #269 Catttt
You realize we may be the first people actually reading this.
Seriously, this is all very damn scary, which is why I'm trying to avoid thinking about it right now. Sigh.
We've stumbled upon and archeological find!
Or is that anthropological?
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:39:39am |
re: #276 Gus 802
Found this requirement:
an owner of a manufactured home constructed prior to 1976 shall demonstrate to the applicable State agency that the total income of all members the owner’s household does not exceed 200 percent of the Federal poverty level for income in the applicable area.
The actual definition of a manufactured home is there somewhere.
/it's witchcraft with a cloaking spell, these are not the 1500 pages you seek
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:39:57am |
re: #268 freetoken
In that entire part, Title II, of the bill the issue of non-compliance is touched only briefly, from what I could find. It appears as if what is at stake is how much $$$ your state gets from the feds to pursue the various programs in the bill.
Not whether or not you are allowed to sell your house.
Or did I read that incorrectly?
Lars Larson just repeated the same thing again. He said you wouldn't be able to sell a house without passing an energy audit. I don't know if he's referring to a different section, but that's the second time I heard him say it - maybe he's misinterpreting the bill?
He said the bill imposes California-style energy standards on all new construction, as well.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:40:14am |
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:40:47am |
re: #280 Killian Bundy
/it's witchcraft with a cloaking spell, these are not the 1500 pages you seek
Found the definition!
MANUFACTURED HOME.—The term ‘‘manufactured home’’ has the meaning given such term in section 603 of the National Manufactured Housing Construction and Safety Standards Act of 1974 (42 U.S.C. 5402).
Page 341
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tradewind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:42:31am |
re: #267 Gus 802
Would do it, really, but , I lack the required gene for masochism it would take to wade through that one... but I will take your word for it. We are so screwed with this piece of garbage.... I'd do a rain dance for the Senate to kill it, but my carbon footprint might be traced.
re: #270 AmeriDan
That phrase ' Thank God and Greyhound' kept popping up. We can only hope....
Night ya'll..
(Sorry, bro, just can't hang in there with you on flight tracker any longer.. have a safe one).
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Catttt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:43:33am |
Totally up past bedtime here! OhmygodyesIam.
Goodnight, late and early lizards.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:43:52am |
re: #285 tradewind
Would do it, really, but , I lack the required gene for masochism it would take to wade through that one... but I will take your word for it. We are so screwed with this piece of garbage.... I'd do a rain dance for the Senate to kill it, but my carbon footprint might be traced.
re: #270 AmeriDan
That phrase ' Thank God and Greyhound' kept popping up. We can only hope....
Night ya'll..
(Sorry, bro, just can't hang in there with you on flight tracker any longer.. have a safe one).
Big brother just got bigger.
Have a good one.
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gmsc Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:44:01am |
re: #286 Catttt
Totally up past bedtime here! OhmygodyesIam.
Goodnight, late and early lizards.
G'Nite, Catttt!
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:44:22am |
re: #284 Gus 802
Found the definition!
MANUFACTURED HOME.—The term ‘‘manufactured home’’ has the meaning given such term in section 603 of the National Manufactured Housing Construction and Safety Standards Act of 1974 (42 U.S.C. 5402).
Page 341
A-ha! Now here is 42 USC 5402, section 603:
[Link: www4.law.cornell.edu...]
(6) “manufactured home” means a structure, transportable in one or more sections, which, in the traveling mode, is eight body feet or more in width or forty body feet or more in length, or, when erected on site, is three hundred twenty or more square feet, and which is built on a permanent chassis and designed to be used as a dwelling with or without a permanent foundation when connected to the required utilities, and includes the plumbing, heating, air-conditioning, and electrical systems contained therein; except that such term shall include any structure which meets all the requirements of this paragraph except the size requirements and with respect to which the manufacturer voluntarily files a certification required by the Secretary and complies with the standards established under this chapter; and except that such term shall not include any self-propelled recreational vehicle
So it's a trailer or modular home. Not all homes.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:44:28am |
re: #286 Catttt
Totally up past bedtime here! OhmygodyesIam.
Goodnight, late and early lizards.
Later Cattt.
| 292 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:45:03am |
re: #290 iceweasel
So it's a trailer or modular home. Not all homes.
Nice. Just found the same reference. ;)
Indeed.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:46:11am |
re: #281 capitalist piglet
From reading the amendment (to which I linked, which is different than that which Gus linked), my perusal leads me to believe you only have to worry if:
There is an FHA loan involved; or
There is any other sort of Federal assistance involved.
| 294 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:46:18am |
It's bull[expletive deleted] wrapped in bull[expletive deleted] inside more bull[expletive deleted].
/~Churchill
| 295 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:47:17am |
re: #285 tradewind
Good night. Always nice to "meet" someone from the area who's not a moonbat.
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freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:47:50am |
re: #294 Killian Bundy
Oh, Killian, you're a lawyer... you're supposed to like these really big laws. Think of all the work opportunities that will open up in your field.
| 297 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:48:03am |
re: #292 Gus 802
Nice. Just found the same reference. ;)
Indeed.
Heh-- i only found it because you'd done the real work of finding out where it was defined. :)
| 298 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:48:39am |
re: #293 freetoken
From reading the amendment (to which I linked, which is different than that which Gus linked), my perusal leads me to believe you only have to worry if:
There is an FHA loan involved; or
There is any other sort of Federal assistance involved.
I think with the manufactured homes that's not a requirement. Only that you don't exceed 200% of the poverty level and that the home was built prior to 1976.
| 299 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:49:09am |
re: #244 shiplord kirel
What I would do is not relevant. The fact is, Hollywood is full of people who do have a price, usually a lot less than $20M.
The point in my bringing that up is: you have to be the most disgusting and dishonorable POS to drop the whole thing and take hush money from someone who molested your kid, or....
The whole thing was a damned callous set up to grab money in the first place. And yes, certain lowlife parents do coach their children to lie for their own benefit.
I think acquittal and vindication in court would have been much better for MJ's career than the pay-off. In fact, the acquittal in the second case did seem to do him a lot of good. The pay-off in the first case did not make the bad publicity go away and has only fueled speculation over the years.
For the most part I agree with you. But guilty or innocent, settlements do shut people up and take the story off the headlines quick. Many people/corporations that are in the right settle just to avoid having their name/brand highlighted in the news in a negative way.
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:49:50am |
re: #297 iceweasel
Heh-- i only found it because you'd done the real work of finding out where it was defined. :)
Thanks. Google led me to the Cornel Law site which is a great site for law and codes.
| 301 |
capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:50:05am |
re: #293 freetoken
From reading the amendment (to which I linked, which is different than that which Gus linked), my perusal leads me to believe you only have to worry if:
There is an FHA loan involved; or
There is any other sort of Federal assistance involved.
Thanks. I've been skimming some of the links, and I haven't seen anything yet like what Lars Larson is describing.
FWIW, Larson definitely isn't talking about manufactured homes or trailers...he just told a woman who just got done building a home that her home might not meet the new energy standards, and the government can require her to spend money to meet those standards if she wants to sell.
He didn't say anything about what you mentioned, but maybe he hasn't put that together yet.
| 302 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:50:24am |
I think I know what you guys are doing....and it's giving me a headache! :-(
| 304 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:51:25am |
re: #301 capitalist piglet
Thanks. I've been skimming some of the links, and I haven't seen anything yet like what Lars Larson is describing.
FWIW, Larson definitely isn't talking about manufactured homes or trailers...he just told a woman who just got done building a home that her home might not meet the new energy standards, and the government can require her to spend money to meet those standards if she wants to sell.
He didn't say anything about what you mentioned, but maybe he hasn't put that together yet.
The manufactured home stipulation is for a replacement.
| 306 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:52:59am |
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:53:03am |
re: #296 freetoken
Oh, Killian, you're a lawyer... you're supposed to like these really big laws. Think of all the work opportunities that will open up in your field.
I'm actually thinking about it, it pisses me off so much, I have to write the check for my law license next Tuesday.
/although I'm having fun, making money trading stocks and options for maybe six hours a day, including research
| 310 |
gmsc Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:55:30am |
re: #302 littleoldlady
I think I know what you guys are doing....and it's giving me a headache! :-(
So, it's not just me?
Good evening, littleoldlady!
| 311 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:55:33am |
re: #302 littleoldlady
I think I know what you guys are doing....and it's giving me a headache! :-(
Ma'am.
*
doffs hat
*
| 312 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:56:07am |
re: #253 tradewind
I get the sleeping with family/friends in a bed when space is an issue.
But a stranger/moviestar/king of pop? Some randomly pointed-at child?
Doesn't even approach the sniff test.
Some randomly pointed-at child? Not heard that one before.
You're right, though. Something does stink. Given that MJ's "kiddie rep" (earned or not) has been common knowledge for nearly twenty years, what parent in their right mind would hand off their children to him? What would be their motivation?
| 313 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:56:19am |
re: #302 littleoldlady
I think I know what you guys are doing....and it's giving me a headache! :-(
It's kind of depressing. More Federal standards, mandates, and new Ponzi schemes attached to utilities, and other stuff I haven't read.
Welcome to the Federation!
| 314 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:56:23am |
gmsc! :-)
I have Advil™. I'll share...
DANNY! :-)
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:56:49am |
re: #304 Gus 802
The manufactured home stipulation is for a replacement.
Not only that, it's outlining conditions under which the gov't will offer rebates and help to people in bringing those manufactured homes up to code or replacing them-- hence the requirement about income level.
So far it looks like the opposite of what Larson is claiming.
| 316 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:57:23am |
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:58:41am |
re: #315 iceweasel
Not only that, it's outlining conditions under which the gov't will offer rebates and help to people in bringing those manufactured homes up to code or replacing them-- hence the requirement about income level.
So far it looks like the opposite of what Larson is claiming.
The only thing I found approaching the "energy audit" is the retrofit language. I didn't find anything specific regarding either as a requirement for existing home sales. It does mention the discretion of the secretary.
| 318 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:59:41am |
re: #317 Gus 802
The only thing I found approaching the "energy audit" is the retrofit language. I didn't find anything specific regarding either as a requirement for existing home sales. It does mention the discretion of the secretary.
Based on what you've found, it really seems to me like Larson has his facts wrong, IMO.
| 319 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:59:47am |
re: #316 littleoldlady
KIND of depressing?!
/what would it take to get you really depressed? :-/
I fell asleep before because I was exhausted and had a tooth ache. So I would say my need of a dentist. :-)
| 320 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:00:03am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
| 321 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:00:09am |
re: #302 littleoldlady
I think I know what you guys are doing....and it's giving me a headache! :-(
Rather than giving you a headache, how about I just give you a Lizard Kiss?
| 323 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:01:05am |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:01:59am |
re: #316 littleoldlady
what would it take to get you really depressed?
Faxing off an application to a viable enterprise in the afternoon and finding out it will probably be kneecapped by the cap & trade legislation that the house approved.
| 325 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:03:10am |
re: #318 iceweasel
Based on what you've found, it really seems to me like Larson has his facts wrong, IMO.
Probably. I know a lot of the wording is subject to interpretation. There are time lines involved too. Would have to read through it more regarding the energy audits.
| 326 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:03:13am |
Fenway! :-)
/verybigsigh
Viable enterprise...former known as the United States of America.
:-(
| 327 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:04:27am |
re: #301 capitalist piglet
In the link I gave for what I believe to be the amendment added on the floor, there is a large section (starts on pg 89 of the pdf) titled:
Subtitle H - Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods
It goes on for many pages. It covers something that sounds sort of what you are saying Larson has said... but again my skimming of that section leads me to believe it applies only to Federal housing programs (including the loan programs.)
| 328 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:06:22am |
re: #327 freetoken
In the link I gave for what I believe to be the amendment added on the floor, there is a large section (starts on pg 89 of the pdf) titled:
Subtitle H - Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods
It goes on for many pages. It covers something that sounds sort of what you are saying Larson has said... but again my skimming of that section leads me to believe it applies only to Federal housing programs (including the loan programs.)
What's the link to that?
| 329 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:07:14am |
re: #320 littleoldlady
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Yeah, for sure you have succumbed to Red's enchantments about "fruit cup"
| 330 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:08:42am |
| 331 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:09:11am |
re: #328 Gus 802
As linked above:
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
It is what I found on the Rules Committee page. It is 310 pages of last minute changes that was offered on the same day of the vote. I am assuming this (310 page amendment) is subject of what was complained about by various congressmen.
| 332 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:11:20am |
re: #331 freetoken
As linked above:
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
It is what I found on the Rules Committee page. It is 310 pages of last minute changes that was offered on the same day of the vote. I am assuming this (310 page amendment) is subject of what was complained about by various congressmen.
Thanks. I see it's a copy and unsearchable as well as having a time stamp of 1:34 AM.
I feel like I'm in a Kafka novel.
| 333 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:11:31am |
The Rules Committee page:
[Link: www.rules.house.gov...]
| 334 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:11:32am |
re: #327 freetoken
In the link I gave for what I believe to be the amendment added on the floor, there is a large section (starts on pg 89 of the pdf) titled:
Subtitle H - Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods
It goes on for many pages. It covers something that sounds sort of what you are saying Larson has said... but again my skimming of that section leads me to believe it applies only to Federal housing programs (including the loan programs.)
And, in all honesty, you're wasting your time delving too deep into King Nostril's opus, other to get a sense of what manner of anti-American depths Pelosi and her brigands are capable of diving to, on cue from . . .
/the Senate will right click/delete it post haste
| 335 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:12:09am |
re: #332 Gus 802
Yes, as I mentioned, I can't search on it so I had to skim through it to find what sections looked relevant.
| 336 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:12:12am |
What exactly does it say about transportation? I know some of the companies that haul certain commodities will be hurting. Are they going to come up with even more regulations regarding fuel efficency for ships, trucks, locomotives or aircraft?
/'Y'know....just to kick some of these companies while they're down
| 337 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:12:57am |
re: #335 freetoken
Yes, as I mentioned, I can't search on it so I had to skim through it to find what sections looked relevant.
Oops. It is searchable. What was I talking about. Damn if doesn't look like a fax image.
| 338 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:13:41am |
re: #334 Killian Bundy
I agree that the Senate will rewrite it.
However, we started this discussion in trying to run to ground something that Lars Larson had claimed, which didn't sound quite right to some of our ears.
| 339 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:14:00am |
re: #334 Killian Bundy
/the Senate will right click/delete it post haste
From your lips to G-d's ears, Killian!
| 340 |
gmsc Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:14:56am |
re: #320 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!
Thanks for the fruitcup – and the Advil!
| 341 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:14:58am |
re: #271 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I got the feeling some people let their kids hang out with Jackson simply because of the money he threw at everything
I concur. Folks looking to get a piece of the pie. Yet many allegations have been made about his supposed activities, and none have been proven.
If a large enough segment of any population did not like me, they could perpetuate the rumor that I am a goat fucker. If enough people dislike me, the rumor will catch on, and if I am rich enough, some folks will produce goats that will slander me in the hopes of dishonestly taking my money. Before you know it, I am a de facto goat fucker in the public eye despite the fact that no legal evidence proves so.
My gut tells me he's guilty, but the evidence does not agree.
*sigh* I grow tired of using reason to defend a man I do not like, nor really wish to defend. Can we switch the subject to cyborg midget pr0n?
| 342 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:15:18am |
re: #336 Fenway_Nation
The minute they start noodling with this crap, my food bill goes up. :-(
| 343 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:15:39am |
re: #337 Gus 802
Yes, I discovered that too... but it looks like it has some bitmaps too.... weird. Oh well, late at night...
I need some fruitcup.
| 344 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:16:36am |
re: #340 gmsc
Don't mention it. I think there will be a huge profit potential in selling drugs in the near future, btw.
/if the government will let me...
| 345 |
srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:16:56am |
Morning folks! Coffee is brewing and today is my friday! Hope everyone is well
| 346 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:19:22am |
re: #339 littleoldlady
From your lips to G-d's ears, Killian!
They ignored it the last time the House passed nonsense like this.
/and the Minnesota Supreme Court seems to be taking their sweet time coronating Senator Franken, it's been at least a month now, hmmm ...
| 347 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:19:31am |
re: #323 littleoldlady
You hate me, don't you?
What?!? Not at all. You did not like the pig kisses, so I thought you'd prefer the lizard kisses. What do I have to do to please you?
//Tell me, Oh Fickle Goddess of Fruits and Cups, What is Thy Whim?
;)
| 348 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:19:42am |
re: #342 littleoldlady
Food, appliances, electronics, raw materiels, grain, cars, aggregates....
/because the bad ol' shipping companies aren't using solar-powered drybulk ships, wind powered locomotives or tidal powered aircraft, so it's up to the gov't to teach them a lesson.
| 349 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:21:19am |
re: #347 Slumbering Behemoth
From whom I will accept kisses.
Thanks for asking! ;-)
/beats the heck out of reading the cap and tax bill...
| 350 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:21:35am |
re: #345 srb1976
No- honestly, this cap and trade bullshit feels like the House got a running head start and kicked me in the gut with a pair of cleats.
| 351 |
UncleRancher Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:21:52am |
Greetings lizards,
Well, I see they have done it to us again. I guess we should not be surprised. The salvation of all the government's budget woes are now in the bag and we get to pay for it.
Anybody know of a nice little island that hasn't been claimed?
lol, Thanks for the fruitcup. I hope you will be able to afford these nice treats after what they have done.
| 352 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:21:57am |
re: #348 Fenway_Nation
Food, appliances, electronics, raw materiels, grain, cars, aggregates....
/because the bad ol' shipping companies aren't using solar-powered drybulk ships, wind powered locomotives or tidal powered aircraft, so it's up to the gov't to teach them a lesson.
The situation was bad already if you consider the multitude of federal, state, and local regulations. Now it's going to start looking like the IRS code.
/I'm in favor of the pixie dust powered jumbo jet.
/
| 353 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:22:17am |
re: #346 Killian Bundy
They passed the stimulus bill and the pork-laden budget.
/I put nothing past them
//NOTHING
| 354 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:22:37am |
re: #352 Gus 802
How many unicorns could we hitch together to pull a trailer or boxcar?
| 356 |
capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:24:39am |
re: #338 freetoken
I agree that the Senate will rewrite it.
However, we started this discussion in trying to run to ground something that Lars Larson had claimed, which didn't sound quite right to some of our ears.
Well, it sounds possible that he heard it watching Boehner; I got the impression upthread that that's where pink freud heard it.
I heard him say it twice, and I'm sure I heard him correctly - maybe what Boehner said wasn't accurate, because when I watched the clip of him reading from the bill on the House floor, he sounded like he was interpreting it on the fly himself.
I just hope they are wrong.
| 357 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:25:02am |
re: #354 Fenway_Nation
How many unicorns could we hitch together to pull a trailer or boxcar?
Native or non-native unicorns? I'd guess about 12 max.
The you'll need someone to follow with a shovel to collect the renewable biomass from said unicorns to have them delivered to Henry Waxman's house.
/
| 358 |
UncleRancher Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:25:09am |
re: #355 littleoldlady
:-)
Let's all go out and plant trees and make 'em pay us for it.
| 359 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:25:36am |
re: #348 Fenway_Nation
Food, appliances, electronics, raw materiels, grain, cars, aggregates....
/because the bad ol' shipping companies aren't using solar-powered drybulk ships, wind powered locomotives or tidal powered aircraft, so it's up to the gov't to teach them a lesson.
Bullet trains, lots and lots of bullet trains, and billions and billions of dollars for their development along routes that don't allow for train acceleration over 150 mph.
/what, did we close all our airports, can you say boondoggle?
| 360 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:26:54am |
re: #357 Gus 802
In a paper bag....with some fire to demonstrate the potential for said unicorn poop biomass as an alternate energy source.
| 361 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:28:37am |
re: #349 littleoldlady
Well hell! I look nothing like that. :(
But I won't hate nor judge. If a LittleOldLady like you can snag a young buck like that, more power to you. You won't hear a disparaging or critical word from me. And no talk of robbing the cradle, either.
/Say, any idea where I can get one in the female model?
| 362 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:28:46am |
So I was just Watching Equilibrium for like the 20th time when something finally jumped out at me. The evil thought police enforcers being called Tetragrammatron Clerics strikes me as an ingenious way to implicate "The Jews" without coming right out and saying it. Something about the name bothered me for the longest and it only just hit me that Tetragrammatron is greek for 4 letters and is what the 4 letters symbolizing Yahweh are called.
| 363 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:29:14am |
re: #360 Fenway_Nation
In a paper bag....with some fire to demonstrate the potential for said
unicornpoopbiomass as an alternate energy source.
Good point. I move that we strike the shovel provision and replace it with "paper bag" as stated. We can also add an amendment to classify the paper bag as another form of renewable material that would be required to be placed under the definition of "biomass." Subject to the discretion of the secretary.
//
| 364 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:29:42am |
re: #357 Gus 802
Don't forget the carbon and methane sequestering devices on hte back end as well.
| 365 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:30:08am |
re: #358 UncleRancher
:-)
Let's all go out and plant trees and make 'em pay us for it.
I'm really trying to find the profit angle here. It's gotta be in there somewhere!
Once upon a time I was a productive citizen of the greatest country in the world. They've succeeded in converting me, though. Now it's Every (Wo)Man for (Her or) Himself!
/how I learned to stop worrying and love the government...
//too bad Kubrick is dead :-(
| 366 |
srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:30:53am |
re: #348 Fenway_Nation
Food, appliances, electronics, raw materiels, grain, cars, aggregates....
/because the bad ol' shipping companies aren't using solar-powered drybulk ships, wind powered locomotives or tidal powered aircraft, so it's up to the gov't to teach them a lesson.
It's not just the shipping companies either, there are still some manufacturing type companies here in America, for now. I know that the people I work for have been campaigning against this bill for awhile...
| 367 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:31:10am |
re: #361 Slumbering Behemoth
If a LittleOldLady like you can snag a young buck like that, more power to you.
/probably more likely to win the Powerball
:-(
| 368 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:31:10am |
re: #364 rustler
Don't forget the carbon and methane sequestering devices on hte back end as well.
Good point. We can reduce unicorn flatulence by 6% in 2015 and 20% in 2020.
/
| 369 |
srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:32:39am |
re: #350 Fenway_Nation
No- honestly, this cap and trade bullshit feels like the House got a running head start and kicked me in the gut with a pair of cleats.
Me too....
(sometimes it's hard not to take the crap congress does personally......like now, feels like they are personally trying to cost me my job)
| 370 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:33:56am |
re: #359 Killian Bundy
I said this before when a provision for a 'Maglev' train between California and Las Vegas was included in the Stimulus.
Union Pacfic was looking to run longer trains on the L.A to Salt Lake City route (which, handily enough, passes through Vegas) for the last 15-20 years. To do that, they needed to extend some sidings in the Mojave desert. This ran into serious opposition from all kinds of environmental groups who'd find some sort of endangered critter who would be extinct if UP extended their sidings. [Interestingly, this could've also allowed Amtrak to run a normal passenger train to Las Vegas (no maglev or bullet train), since traffic on the parallel I-15 would be frequently snarled due to ongoing road contruction.]
Now- if the environmentalists are dead set on preventing the Union Pacific doing any work on a rail line that's exicsted for over a century, what makes these clowns in the House and congress think they can build a Maglev line through the wilderness from scratch?
| 371 |
UncleRancher Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:34:46am |
re: #369 srb1976
Me too....
(sometimes it's hard not to take the crap congress does personally......like now, feels like they are personally trying to cost me my job)
You can go ahead and take it personal because that's just what it is.
| 372 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:35:00am |
re: #361 Slumbering Behemoth
Well hell! I look nothing like that. :(
But I won't hate nor judge. If a LittleOldLady like you can snag a young buck like that, more power to you. You won't hear a disparaging or critical word from me. And no talk of robbing the cradle, either.
/Say, any idea where I can get one in the female model?
Tired of fucking goats?
/what? I read it on the internet, so it must be true.
/ / / / ;)
| 373 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:35:13am |
Well, I see that someone on eBay was supposedly selling the real Obama birth certificate, from Kenya, yesterday.
WND's Bob Unruh took it seriously.
/What did they say about a fool and his money?
| 374 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:35:21am |
re: #367 littleoldlady
/probably more likely to win the Powerball
:-(
I've taken to buying a $3 ticket and a $1.99 Slim Jim twice a week, keep the penny.
/can't win unless you play and the Slim Jim is like a full meat meal in and of itself
| 375 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:36:59am |
re: #373 freetoken
They are soon elected?(or is this a general observation not one about politics?)
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gmsc Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:37:09am |
I pushed myself to stay awake for fruitcup, but I'm fading fast.
Good night, all!
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:37:32am |
re: #376 gmsc
I pushed myself to stay awake for fruitcup, but I'm fading fast.
Good night, all!
Later GMSC
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UncleRancher Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:38:12am |
re: #376 gmsc
I pushed myself to stay awake for fruitcup, but I'm fading fast.
Good night, all!
g'knite pi guy.
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soxfan4life Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:38:52am |
re: #350 Fenway_Nation
No- honestly, this cap and trade bullshit feels like the House got a running head start and kicked me in the gut with a pair of cleats.
Being in the electrical field it feels the same way. Now all the utitlities wil be holding back on everything but emergency repairs.
| 380 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:38:57am |
re: #366 srb1976
Yep....the manufacturers lose, the utilities that provide power to the manufacturers lose, the transportation companies that provide the shipping for the raw materiels or finished product lose, the consumer who has to pay more for the increased fuel/energy costs in the transportation or manufacturing process loses...
/and I get the feeling that the ranks of the unemployed are going to be filled by far more skilled and experienced persons than myself pretty soon
| 381 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:39:04am |
re: #374 Killian Bundy
Lol 1.99 for a slim jim i perfer to pay 4$ for the 3 foot long arizona(? think thats the brand) we have in the gas station I pass to work everyday but only buy 1 every week or 2. Damn they are good tho. Has a slightly different taste but quite good especially if you let it heat up on the dash for a bit.
| 382 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:39:22am |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:39:37am |
re: #376 gmsc
Later, 3.14 sumthin-sumthin-sumthin....guy!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:40:12am |
re: #372 AmeriDan
Tired of fucking goats?
Tired my ass! I'm just looking for a bit a variety.
Seeking: SWF willing to explore. Must like hooves.
//
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:40:22am |
By some wierd fluke, we ended up with a Dem. Representative last election......Fortunately, for him, he voted no on cap and tax.....
(a large part of my district depends on manufacturing for it's livelihood....apparently the letter writing did some good)
| 386 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:40:22am |
From tradewind in yesterday's thread on cap and trade:
Just got a Tweet that says
'Dear Congress: You Cap Us, We Trade U'.
/checking cafepress...
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Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:40:41am |
Looking at the amendment...
Sec. 265 Consumer Behavior Research
Sec. 275 Industrial Energy Efficiency Education and Training Initiative
I like that the Federal government is now going to become the efficiency expert.
| 389 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:41:44am |
re: #374 Killian Bundy
I've taken to buying a $3 ticket and a $1.99 Slim Jim twice a week, keep the penny.
/can't win unless you play and the Slim Jim is like a full meat meal in and of itself
I've become an expert on the "Two Dollar Dinner", too. :-(
| 390 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:42:06am |
| 391 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:42:51am |
re: #367 littleoldlady
/probably more likely to win the Powerball
:-(
And by "Powerball", you mean [insert sexually suggestive and/or demeaning joke here].
/it be getting late, and The Behemoth be phoning it in...
| 392 |
srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:42:55am |
re: #389 littleoldlady
I've become an expert on the "Two Dollar Dinner", too. :-(
Ramen noodles, tasty, filling and the kids love them too! (I usually add some veggies and stuff to them too)
| 393 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:42:56am |
re: #382 Killian Bundy
To be fair, Amtrak provides pretty good service on some of the routes/corridors where some of the states chip in as well.
San Diego-Santa Barbra, CA
Boston, MA- Portland, ME
Eugene, OR-Vancouver, BC
San Jose, CA-Bakersfield, CA
But alot of those corridors already have some form of funding because commuter-rail is also used along most of the aforementioned routes.
| 394 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:43:13am |
re: #384 Slumbering Behemoth
Sheep are so much better than goats a nice pair of velcro gloves lets ya hold on :P.
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AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:44:23am |
re: #384 Slumbering Behemoth
Tired my ass! I'm just looking for a bit a variety.
Seeking: SWF willing to explore. Must like hooves.
//
Stand-down ladies... there's plenty of the Behemoth to go around.
/trying to ward off the "stampede"
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rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:44:45am |
re: #392 srb1976
A bit of fried egg, slice of cheese and a slice of balogne fried then diced go great with ramen and make it a lot more filling. Along with the veggies of course.
| 397 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:45:12am |
re: #385 srb1976
By some wierd fluke, we ended up with a Dem. Representative last election......Fortunately, for him, he voted no on cap and tax.....
(a large part of my district depends on manufacturing for it's livelihood....apparently the letter writing did some good)
Jeez....do you get the patronizing 'manufacturing is dead in America, we're a service-oriented economy now' crapola?
| 398 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:46:09am |
re: #394 rustler
Sheep are so much better than goats a nice pair of velcro gloves lets ya hold on :P.
Bullspit! Sheep ain't got no horns. What good are they without the handle-bars?
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:46:56am |
re: #397 Fenway_Nation
Jeez....do you get the patronizing 'manufacturing is dead in America, we're a service-oriented economy now' crapola?
He doesn't dare! There are WAY too many of us, most of us have families and we ALL vote. (1000 votes isn't much in a national election, but we sure can swing a district....esp. @ midterms)
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UncleRancher Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:47:24am |
re: #398 Slumbering Behemoth
Bullspit! Sheep ain't got no horns. What good are they without the handle-bars?
Send 'em to congress so they can experience a little frustration in their lives.
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:47:24am |
re: #392 srb1976
Mr. Meat-and-Potatoes wouldn't stand for it. But it's kind of amazing what you can do with a potato! ;-)
/dirty minds need not apply
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capitalist piglet Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:49:06am |
re: #387 Gus 802
Looking at the amendment...
Sec. 265 Consumer Behavior Research
Sec. 275 Industrial Energy Efficiency Education and Training Initiative
I like that the Federal government is now going to become the efficiency expert.
Just FYI - I have seen mention of the topic I brought up in two posts on another blog...the origin seems to have been with Boehner. I don't know where he got it, but that appears to be where it's coming from. He apparently said you'll have to prove energy efficiency before you can sell a house.
So if Larson is wrong, it's probably not his fault.
With that, I'll shut up about it. : )
| 403 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:49:39am |
re: #393 Fenway_Nation
To be fair, Amtrak provides pretty good service on some of the routes/corridors where some of the states chip in as well.
San Diego-Santa Barbra, CA
Boston, MA- Portland, ME
Eugene, OR-Vancouver, BC
San Jose, CA-Bakersfield, CABut alot of those corridors already have some form of funding because commuter-rail is also used along most of the aforementioned routes.
Okay, how many of those routes are profitable?
/and can handle very expensive 200+ mph trains?
| 404 |
srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:50:12am |
re: #401 littleoldlady
Mr. Meat-and-Potatoes wouldn't stand for it. But it's kind of amazing what you can do with a potato! ;-)
/dirty minds need not apply
Yeah, I like to keep the noodles on hand because even my picky boy will eat them....Last night it was BLT's for dinner (picky Little Man loves his bacon....and lettuce) Too stinkin' hot for anything more involved than that
| 405 |
Gus Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:50:42am |
re: #402 capitalist piglet
Just FYI - I have seen mention of the topic I brought up in two posts on another blog...the origin seems to have been with Boehner. I don't know where he got it, but that appears to be where it's coming from. He apparently said you'll have to prove energy efficiency before you can sell a house.
So if Larson is wrong, it's probably not his fault.
With that, I'll shut up about it. : )
OK
I'm glancing through the amendment and it's rather mind boggling. This thing is another spending bill as well as an expansion of government.
| 406 |
UncleRancher Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:51:26am |
re: #401 littleoldlady
Mr. Meat-and-Potatoes wouldn't stand for it. But it's kind of amazing what you can do with a potato! ;-)
/dirty minds need not apply
Rice -- good for when you are really hungry and you want to eat two thousand of somethin'. (I think it was Mitch Hedberg said it.)
| 407 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:51:34am |
| 408 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:53:07am |
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littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:54:45am |
| 410 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:55:01am |
re: #404 srb1976 I'll take a BLT hold the LT and can I get that with out hte bread too. MMMMMMM bacon.
| 411 |
srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:56:13am |
re: #408 littleoldlady
Oh! Lettuce! I remember lettuce!
/...and blueberries :-(
We're in a fairly rural area, if you're willing to look, you can get great, homegrown produce @ reasonable prices (farmer's markets and swap meets) plus we have a great little grocery store that has set-price packages for meats....I got a vacuum sealer for christmas and a deep freeze....$100 will get meat for dinner for 2-3 months....
| 413 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:58:19am |
re: #408 littleoldlady
Oh! Lettuce! I remember lettuce!
/...and blueberries :-(
Pomegranate Blueberry 100% Juice Blend
/antioxidants are your friend
| 415 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:58:48am |
re: #409 littleoldlady
I've missed you , Dan! ;-)
/been lurking again?
Yes, still lurking on a somewhat regular basis, so if you ever miss me too much...
Just call my name and I'll be there.
/can't post the video from... but you get the point
| 416 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:59:39am |
re: #403 Killian Bundy
Not sure how profitable they were, but ridership pretty much quadrupled when gas was $4 a gallon.
I don't think anything in North America can handle a 200 MPH plus bullet train; even the northeast corridor, which has a 120MPH speed limit.
Something all the high-speed rail advocates also tend to overlook is the staggering amount of commodities, raw materiel and resources that move to market via [privately owned] rail; coal, grain, borax, LNG, cement, lumber, steel, phosphorous, produce, aggregates, trash, ethanol, clay slurry....hell- there's even a dedicated unit orange-juice pulp train. And I'm not even mentioning all the intermodal/containerized freight.
| 417 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:59:40am |
re: #401 littleoldlady
But it's kind of amazing what you can do with a potato! ;-)/dirty minds need not apply
Bigot! I'm calling the EEOC! Your butt is so toasted.
/incidentally, I have this recipe for potatoes and...
| 418 |
srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:00:28am |
re: #412 rustler
Yeah. it's tough to go wrong with bacon, especially around here....the Little Man's favorite breakfast is pancakes & bacon.....
| 419 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:01:21am |
| 420 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:01:28am |
| 421 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:01:30am |
Just what every lizard needs in their End of the World Shelter.
| 422 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:03:04am |
re: #420 iceweasel
Yes but I plan on putting dices sausage in mine for total Cholesterol overload. I mean comeon Obama is gonna be taking care of my health.
| 425 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:04:37am |
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srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:05:36am |
re: #419 Fenway_Nation
Sounds like you're prepared for the coming apocolypse.
//
I don't know about the apocolypse....I just try to prepare for coming home after a 12 hour shift and being greeted with "Oh good you're home...what's for dinner?"
| 428 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:05:37am |
Pat Buchanan is waxing xenophobic again. From his latest piece, via Townhall:
[...]
Demographically, California is where America will be in 2040.
White folks, who are leaving California as they did in the millions in the 1990s, are below half the population. Hispanics, their numbers surging due to legal and illegal immigration, are well over a third of the population. The African-American share of California's population is also falling, as the Asian share is rising, again from immigration.
Los Angeles, which is what most large American cities will look like, is the most diverse city on earth. Has diversity been a strength?
[...]
But when all of America arrives at where California is at today, where do the Americans run to?
Nice, Pat. Nice.
| 429 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:06:01am |
re: #425 Slumbering Behemoth
LOL. Can I get an IDF girl wielding an uzi in it instead?
| 431 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:07:41am |
re: #429 rustler
I'm only halfway through this one, so no uzis as of yet.
| 432 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:09:13am |
re: #416 Fenway_Nation
I don't think anything in North America can handle a 200 MPH plus bullet train.
/Obama disagrees and you're just going to have to bend over and pay for the next best thing since the British surrender at Singapore, onward British soldiers . . .
| 433 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:11:21am |
re: #428 freetoken
Pat Buchanan is waxing xenophobic again. From his latest piece, via Townhall:
Nice, Pat. Nice.
ClownHall, delivering yet again.
| 434 |
srb1976 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:11:39am |
Ok folks, it's that time again!
Gotta do my part to prove that American Manufacturing is not quite dead yet (although congress insists on adding nails to it's coffin)
Have a great day everyone!
| 436 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:14:14am |
| 437 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:14:36am |
re: #434 srb1976
Ok folks, it's that time again!
Gotta do my part to prove that American Manufacturing is not quite dead yet (although congress insists on adding nails to it's coffin)Have a great day everyone!
TGIF!
| 438 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:15:01am |
re: #436 Killian Bundy
Did you mean clown car?
/metaphors are difficult for liberals
TownHall = ClownHall.
/snark is difficult for conservatives. :)
| 439 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:15:17am |
re: #433 iceweasel
ClownHall, delivering yet again.
Sometimes it is difficult differentiating it from VDARE and the like.
| 440 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:15:18am |
re: #434 srb1976
I'm out as well. Later Lizards.
Can't think of anything to leave y'all with other than Drunken Monkeys. Evolution!
| 442 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:18:33am |
Good morning/night to those who are leaving.
Hey wait! I'm one of them! :-(
/yay! youtube has one of my favorite songs back up!
| 443 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:18:44am |
re: #439 freetoken
Sometimes it is difficult differentiating it from VDARE and the like.
Yes. they're often a fertile source for teh crazy.
Then again, Pat Buchanan is relentlessly identified as a 'conservative' and given a platform in the media as such, when the screen really ought to say "Pat Buchanan: Spokesperson Only for Crazy Racists and Theocrats".
| 444 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:18:50am |
re: #431 Fenway_Nation Theres quite a few nice ones there no Uzi's that I saw then again I missed the tank in one pic the first time around so don't quote me on it.
| 445 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:19:52am |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:20:16am |
Also, it's worth mentioning that most of the big Class I railways have purchased some form of new 'Genset' or 'Green Goat' locomotive (along with some switching or terminal railways). They don't seem to be that useful on the road, but are much better suited for switching or local service.
I thought maybe this was an instance of the railways were being environmentally concious or PR-savvy. But a few different cases, it turns out that various governments are providing grants for some or all of the Genset's purchase price.
Now....I can't really begrudge the railways for turning down a free order of locomotives....but the fact that they're subsidized in any way shape or form makes me second guess their effectiveness at what they're supposed to do.
| 447 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:21:59am |
re: #443 iceweasel
Yes. they're often a fertile source for teh crazy.
Then again, Pat Buchanan is relentlessly identified as a 'conservative' and given a platform in the media as such, when the screen really ought to say "Pat Buchanan: Spokesperson Only for Crazy Racists and Theocrats".
Theocracy, Tea Party!
/spin the wheels, check under your bed
| 448 |
UncleRancher Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:22:47am |
There's a tea party tomorrow in the square. I'm going.
G'nite all.
| 449 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:23:45am |
re: #448 UncleRancher
G'nite UncleRancher, Slumbering and littleoldlady!
| 450 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:24:04am |
re: #445 Killian Bundy
Apologize now!
/or Sarah Palin just might dodge your pathetic brickbats and mount your head
Uh... being a liberal on the internets I do have a potty mouth and a dirty mind and no sense of civility, according to the Right.
So I should probably not go with the filthy retorts that sprang to mind here, and the double entendres.
:)
| 451 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:25:50am |
| 452 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:27:25am |
re: #445 Killian Bundy
I saw A Liberal Palin 2012 poster featuring the Palin lookalike porm star. She was wearing a bikini pulled down and aside and instead of censor blurs was a rigged greenbackground Palin 2012 sticker. I'm thinking that might be the wrong way for them to demean her. I'm sure most young men will vote with their lower head and vote for her on that alone.
| 453 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:34:10am |
re: #452 rustler
Has anyone tried Dem-politician-lookalike-as-porn-star yet?
I mean....who is there? Just the thought of Nancy Pelosi fully clothed makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spork....
| 454 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:37:00am |
re: #453 Fenway_Nation
In the Palin movie the Palin lookalike had a lesbo 3 way with condi and shrillary.
| 455 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:39:57am |
re: #454 rustler
And if I recall properly was Nina Hartley playing Shrillary. Neither Condi nor Hillary Characters in the vid looked even close like Palin's tryed to do tho.
| 456 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:40:43am |
re: #452 rustler
I saw A Liberal Palin 2012 poster featuring the Palin lookalike porm star. She was wearing a bikini pulled down and aside and instead of censor blurs was a rigged greenbackground Palin 2012 sticker. I'm thinking that might be the wrong way for them to demean her. I'm sure most young men will vote with their lower head and vote for her on that alone.
| 457 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:41:00am |
Semi-OT..I just found this and thought it was very funny:
He took offense.
It started out in college. You know, just experimenting with it. But he liked it. He liked how it made him feel.
For a while it was just recreational -- weekends and parties and rallies and that kind of thing. But soon he was hanging out with some pretty hard-core users, with the kind of people who took offense all the time. They didn't need a reason or an excuse, it was just what they did. It was who they were. Soon he found he couldn't get through the day without it.
Over the years he even learned to grow his own, to take the tiniest seeds of umbrage and nurture them into full-grown pretexts for outrage. The good stuff.
Some of his old friends tried to stage an intervention -- to convince him that he had a problem, that his whole life had become consumed by his addiction.
He didn't respond well. He just took more offense -- right there in front of them.
Addicts, he told them, are always chasing diminishing returns. They're always needing more and stronger drugs to provide an ever-smaller high. But the stuff he was taking didn't work like that. His highs just kept getting stronger and stronger no matter how flimsy or insignificant the reason.
You're not trying to help me, he screamed at them. You're just jealous. And he yelled at them some more, trying to get them to take offense too.
They wouldn't touch it, of course, and just left quietly, looking sad. He took a hit of offense at that and sat back on the couch. They think I've got a problem, he thought, but they're the ones with a problem. Ohh. He inhaled deeply. Yes, yes that's it. His eyelids fluttered. It's because I'm better than them, better than all of them ...
Four days later his landlord called the police, saying there was an offensive smell drifting into the hallway. They found him there on the couch.
The official report from the medical examiner said it was an overdose.
| 458 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:41:23am |
Oh...and Pelosi's daughter weighed in on the whole Gov. Sanford fiasco.
Damn, lady....apple fell out of the fugly tree and hit every branch on the way down doesn't fall too far from the tree, does it?
/Yes....I know. I'm drunk. But next week, I'll be sober.
| 459 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:43:28am |
re: #458 Fenway_Nation
Oh...and Pelosi's daughter weighed in on the whole Gov. Sanford fiasco.
Damn, lady....apple
felloutofthefuglytreeandhiteverybranchonthewaydowndoesn't fall too far from the tree, does it?/Yes....I know. I'm drunk. But next week, I'll be sober.
/Monday's a long ways away
| 460 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:43:30am |
re: #457 iceweasel
Was it really offensive? Or...
...was it too much of a good thing?
/sunglasses on
| 461 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:46:09am |
Well, last of my weekly grand right-wing-blog tour... sort of like a chore, like vacuuming I guess... and I end up at Pamela Geller's.
Remember that executive order that is supposedly being drafted for President Obama, regarding indefinite detention of terrorists?
Well, according to Pamela it isn't intended for the real Islamic terrorists, such as were in Gitmo, but for.... her:
If he is releasing the Islamic terrorists at GITMO, reaching out to Hezballah and Hamas, who exactly are the "terrorism suspects"? The "right wing extremists" outrageously and falsely accused in this [the DHS draft] report? Vets, tea party attendees, Jews and great American patriots like .....moi?
Terminally looney.
| 462 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:46:34am |
re: #460 laZardo
Was it really offensive? Or...
...was it too much of a good thing?
/sunglasses on
| 463 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:46:46am |
re: #460 laZardo
Was it really offensive? Or...
...was it too much of a good thing?
/sunglasses on
Haha-- was it you that posted that awesome youtube with the cheesy lines and sunglasses montage? I loved that.
| 464 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:47:48am |
re: #461 freetoken
Well, last of my weekly grand right-wing-blog tour... sort of like a chore
/white man's burden
| 465 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:48:00am |
re: #461 freetoken
Well, last of my weekly grand right-wing-blog tour... sort of like a chore, like vacuuming I guess... and I end up at Pamela Geller's.
Well...she does suck.
| 466 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:48:47am |
re: #462 Killian Bundy
If the kids are all right...
B%P%
Then we've gotta save the parents.
/YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
| 467 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:48:52am |
BTW, the splash-over of bloggers and commenters from VDARE to Townhall now is enough for me to assign Townhall to the same category as VDARE.
Some may object... but the spill over is enough to taint the whole batch. If Hugh cared he could stop it, but he doesn't care. Heck, he might just approve of it.
| 468 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:50:24am |
re: #461 freetoken
Wow, the shrieking harpy just gets crazier and crazier.
I was over there the other day, looking for a particular post someone here mentioned. It was the first time I'd looked at more than one post of hers at a time. She has a disturbing fondness for gruesome photos. I couldn't take it.
BTW, I've mentioned this before, but I hope everyone knows what Google returns first when you search on shrieking harpy?
Thank a lefty/progressive blog reader for that today. Hee.
| 469 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:50:43am |
re: #467 freetoken
BTW, the splash-over of bloggers and commenters from VDARE to Townhall now is enough for me to assign Townhall to the same category as VDARE.
Some may object... but the spill over is enough to taint the whole batch. If Hugh cared he could stop it, but he doesn't care. Heck, he might just approve of it.
/and then they came for Lileks
| 470 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:51:29am |
re: #467 freetoken
BTW, the splash-over of bloggers and commenters from VDARE to Townhall now is enough for me to assign Townhall to the same category as VDARE.
Some may object... but the spill over is enough to taint the whole batch. If Hugh cared he could stop it, but he doesn't care. Heck, he might just approve of it.
Yep. The sewage spillage has been going on for awhile now, and I do believe it's being tacitly approved of over there.
| 471 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:51:42am |
re: #464 Killian Bundy
/white man's burden
Speaking of which, one of the notorious "conservative"/"right" (self described) bloggers is asking the question:
I wonder if affirmative action helped kill Michael Jackson?
And links to a picture of Jackson's heart doctor (who happens to be black.)
| 472 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:52:38am |
re: #471 freetoken
And links to a picture of Jackson's heart doctor (who happens to be black.)
WTF! Who is doing that?
(nothing surprises me any more)
| 473 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:53:11am |
Hello Early Morning Lizards! The sunrise over Lake Superior was breathtaking.
What? you may ask is a Chicagoland Lizard doing on Lake Superior. Family vacation of the National Park System culminating on a visit to the Apostle Islands.
How have you-all been this week?
| 475 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:54:48am |
Damn....didn't think I'd obligingly come across this article about public funds going towards Genset (i.e. 'green') locomotives.
/I haven't even mentioned the Railpower Int'l 'Green Goats' that have this nasty tendency to occasionally burst into flames.
| 476 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:56:01am |
Michael Jackson was a drug addled pedophile.
/does that make me a racist?
| 477 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:57:30am |
re: #476 Killian Bundy
Michael Jackson was a drug addled pedophile.
/does that make me a racist?
Not in my world.
| 478 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:58:23am |
re: #473 ggt
Me? I'm longing for the days when 'helping the environment' didn't mean using a 12-gauge on the economy's proverbial kneecaps.
| 479 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:58:35am |
re: #474 Killian Bundy
Won't linky because of Stinky.
He's a popular (?) blogger on VDARE, but also is at FrontPage, and is linked to by some commenters at TownHall.
| 480 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:58:52am |
re: #476 Killian Bundy
Michael Jackson was a drug addled pedophile.
/does that make me a racist?
Why do you hate white people?
/
| 481 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:59:46am |
re: #476 Killian Bundy
Michael Jackson was a drug addled pedophile.
/does that make me a racist?
You don't wanna get sent to jail for that...
| 482 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:01:03am |
| 483 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:03:02am |
re: #471 freetoken
And links to a picture of Jackson's heart doctor (who happens to be black.)
By the way, the concert promoters paid for him, he went missing for a while, and they towed his car. It's unclear whether he is presently cooperating with law enforcement, they seized bags of drugs form th scene.
/that the doctor is black isn't the issue
| 484 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:03:50am |
| 485 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:04:58am |
re: #478 Fenway_Nation
Me? I'm longing for the days when 'helping the environment' didn't mean using a 12-gauge on the economy's proverbial kneecaps.
I'm tired of hearing about Michael Jackson 24/7. It's worse than Natalie Holloway. I wish they'd just play his music and stop talking about him.
| 486 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:05:32am |
re: #479 freetoken
Won't linky because of Stinky.
He's a popular (?) blogger on VDARE, but also is at FrontPage, and is linked to by some commenters at TownHall.
OK, I give, what's VDARE?
| 487 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:05:44am |
| 488 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:06:23am |
| 489 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:07:18am |
re: #486 ggt
A popular website for racists... er, defenders of Western Civilization as they know it.
| 490 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:07:46am |
re: #474 Killian Bundy Think he said it was Over at Pam's house so no linking to it from here perferred.
| 491 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:08:41am |
Well, I see the crowd is still at it down on the Cap-and-Trade thread... too much for me, I'm heading out...
have a good day y'all...
/yes, even you, Killian.
| 492 |
TheMatrix31 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:08:57am |
Can someone give me a brief explanations of the dangers regarding this cap/trade stuff? I always heard about it but never knew what it was. What is this thing going to do and why is it going to do it?
| 494 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:09:28am |
re: #483 Killian Bundy
According to drive by report I heard he is now cooperating with Law enforcement and the car actually was a friends not his.
| 495 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:09:40am |
re: #488 Killian Bundy
/kinda like Russia from your house
Baby horses, baby cows, baby llamas and even a baby Elk. About 3 degrees higher on the scale of interestingness than Nebraska.
| 496 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:09:44am |
re: #486 ggt
OK, I give, what's VDARE?
Racist site. Purports to be 'conservative', but the editor, Peter Brimelow, has written extensively against immigration and has long advocated that the GOP must “appeal to its base: white Americans.”
Brimelow claims he isn't a white supremacist, just a “white nationalist.”
As if that's any better.
| 497 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:09:55am |
re: #489 freetoken
A popular website for
racists... er, defenders of Western Civilization as they know it.
ah!
| 498 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:10:02am |
re: #487 freetoken
It will be to some people.
And?
/he administered a fatal dose of Demerol, his skin color, as a licensed MD, won't protect him, malpractice insurance might
| 499 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:10:13am |
re: #496 iceweasel
Racist site. Purports to be 'conservative', but the editor, Peter Brimelow, has written extensively against immigration and has long advocated that the GOP must “appeal to its base: white Americans.”
Brimelow claims he isn't a white supremacist, just a “white nationalist.”
As if that's any better.
thanks.
| 500 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:10:51am |
re: #492 TheMatrix31
Make it impossible to drive your car heat your house or buy groceries becaus ethe costs of transport and energy for production etc are gonna go thru the roof.
| 501 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:11:48am |
re: #493 freetoken
Yeah caught that when I'd posted didn't have auto update up and saw your reply after I hit post.
| 502 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:12:02am |
re: #492 TheMatrix31
Can someone give me a brief explanations of the dangers regarding this cap/trade stuff? I always heard about it but never knew what it was. What is this thing going to do and why is it going to do it?
Anytime the gubernet tries to mess with the markets, it causes job loss. In this case, it is an attempt to 'spread-the-wealth" overseas.
(econo-lizards, am I right?)
| 503 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:12:30am |
| 504 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:13:08am |
Shit....I'm still trying to piece this together.
If a railway wants more 'environmentally friendly' Genset locomotives, does that mean they'll still get an 80% subsidy on each subsequent orders for similar locomotives?
Would it bother the taxpayers in America to know that alot of those subsidies went to a Quebec-based company?
Would it bother the taxpayers in Ontario to know that the province bankrolled Canadian Pacific's genset purchase from a Chicago company?
/We're talking an 80% discount here.....
| 505 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:13:14am |
re: #498 Killian Bundy
Was it a fatal dose of demerol or just a bad reaction between the Demerol and all the RX drugs MJ was on? Think the jury is still out on that.
| 506 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:13:51am |
Didn't the CBO report that costs-per-household will actually be reduced? So much for higher taxes.
/checking
| 507 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:14:48am |
re: #506 laZardo
Didn't the CBO report that costs-per-household will actually be reduced? So much for higher taxes.
/checking
quintiles confuse me.
| 508 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:16:46am |
This tour was totally, totally awesome. Very accessible from an "older" person's point of view and well done.
| 509 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:17:03am |
| 510 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:18:23am |
re: #507 ggt
20%-iles, I'm guessing. I guess 25%iles were too broad.
| 511 |
TheMatrix31 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:18:29am |
So because of stringent regulations on energy production, it's going to drive the cost of it up which translates to everything else going up. That's the crux of it, yes?
| 512 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:18:30am |
re: #505 rustler
Was it a fatal dose of demerol or just a bad reaction between the Demerol and all the RX drugs MJ was on? Think the jury is still out on that.
And the doctor "ran".
/lawyer up!
| 513 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:19:01am |
OOOH, we got to do a MinuteMan Missle Silo tour. It's free, but you have to sign-up way in advance. Very, very kewl!
| 514 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:19:09am |
re: #506 laZardo Looks like the last column is the cost per household so 165$ average cost per family. Only in the lowest 1/5 will cost decrease. once again looks like the 50% of the country with a tax liability is gonna be bent over without lube.
| 515 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:19:47am |
re: #492 TheMatrix31
It's across the board bad- apparently fossil fuels are going to be replaced by pixie dust wind and solar unicorn farts
| 516 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:20:24am |
re: #510 laZardo
20%-iles, I'm guessing. I guess 25%iles were too broad.
quartiles, quintiles . . .
I'm thinking it's another way to be creative with numbers. Mrs. DuToit wrote an essay explaining the pitfalls of quintiles before she took down her site. I didn't understand the essay either.
| 517 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:21:30am |
I don't get how an overdose of demerol would cause a heart attack, I'd think it would cause the heart to stop. Kinda like putting and animal "to sleep"?
| 518 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:21:56am |
re: #514 rustler
Hmm. It's still lower than the "thousands per year" that's being tossed about.
| 519 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:21:59am |
re: #510 laZardo
20%-iles, I'm guessing. I guess 25%iles were too broad.
That's right.
I found this, which summarises the issue like this:
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the U.S. cap-and-trade program will cost $22 billion annually, or about $175 per household, by 2020.
The CBO analysis estimates that the legislation will cost the richest U.S. households $245 a year, and the poorest will see gains of $40 a year. (in 2020)
[Link: www.environmentalleader.com...]
If you look at the figures on the far right of your chart, that looks right. Cost to all households averages out to 175; the bottom quintile shows negative 40 -- that is, a gain of 40 dollars.
| 520 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:24:23am |
If you look at the numbers posted in the CBO study tho it's something like 780$ per household but the gubmint(the tax payers) will be paying part. Which means it's just a way to shift more of the burden to the 50% of americans with Tax liability.
re: #518 laZardo
| 521 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:24:37am |
Yes, I actually saw this, aren't you jealous?
| 522 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:25:10am |
re: #518 laZardo
Hmm. It's still lower than the "thousands per year" that's being tossed about.
Yeah. The "thousands per year' remark is coming from people who are looking only at the gross cost to households in the highest quintile-- the top 20% in terms of income-- and even there it's only 1,380. Not even 2 thousand.
(plus, even their cost works out to only 245 dollars, after the direct relief and allocations.)
(and again, this is all by 2020)
| 523 |
freetoken Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:25:42am |
BTW, I should have put this up earlier...
Here is the the eBay auction that got WND all hot and bothered:
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]
Silly people.
| 524 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:26:26am |
re: #522 iceweasel
Yeah. The "thousands per year' remark is coming from people who are looking only at the gross cost to households in the highest quintile-- the top 20% in terms of income-- and even there it's only 1,380. Not even 2 thousand.
(plus, even their cost works out to only 245 dollars, after the direct relief and allocations.)
(and again, this is all by 2020)
/and not a linky to be seen
| 525 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:27:57am |
re: #524 Killian Bundy
/and not a linky to be seen
It was in my earlier post, but here it is again.
[Link: www.environmentalleader.com...]
Read the chart.
| 526 |
lifeofthemind Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:28:37am |
Good morning,
Just linked on the spin offs to a PJM piece by P. David Hornik.
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
Hornik does a nice summary of the facts regarding the legal status of the disputed territories and Israel’s settlements. For over 60 years the enemies of a jewish state have relied on rejection as a strategy. The response must be that actions have consequences. Refusal to make peace now must mean that you get less later. The Tamil Tigers rejected peace offers, they do not get to roll the clock back and demand a “do over.” The enemies of Israel do not deserve a “do over.”
The refusal of many American Jews to recognize Obama for what he is reminds me of a term used by the Jesuits, “Invincible Ignorance.”
This cartoon on the Dry Bones blog made an excellent point.
[Link: drybonesblog.blogspot.com...]
| 527 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:29:49am |
re: #525 iceweasel
It was in my earlier post, but here it is again.
[Link: www.environmentalleader.com...]
Read the chart.
/The Executive’s Daily Green Briefing, I can read
| 528 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:29:52am |
The IDF Babe in picture #31 is oh-so-casually brandishing an uzi, rustler.
| 529 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:31:16am |
re: #520 rustler
If you look at the numbers posted in the CBO study tho it's something like 780$ per household but the gubmint(the tax payers) will be paying part. Which means it's just a way to shift more of the burden to the 50% of americans with Tax liability.
That's right. Cost to the average household (which means the average of all households, including top and bottom quintiles) averages to 770 gross. After the various dispersals the net cost is 165.
| 530 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:31:52am |
re: #520 rustler
$770 across the board for all homes per year. I can see where the 40%-80%isle would be paying more, but the "richest" would still be paying more than the middle 20%, which should be plenty enough.
| 531 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:32:04am |
re: #527 Killian Bundy
/The Executive’s Daily Green Briefing, I can read
You don't have to like the source I linked, but the chart is the same in any source. It says what it says.
| 533 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:32:34am |
re: #529 iceweasel
And are these estimates made with the assumption that the employment and inflation numbers will remain static?
| 535 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:34:46am |
re: #529 iceweasel
That's right. Cost to the average household (which means the average of all households, including top and bottom quintiles) averages to 770 gross. After the various dispersals the net cost is 165.
/behold Mount Spewobvious, where increased energy costs and you'll damn well llike them
| 536 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:35:15am |
re: #533 Fenway_Nation
And are these estimates made with the assumption that the employment and inflation numbers will remain static?
That I couldn't tell you. I haven't been following this issue at all, I just read the chart. Where they dug up this numbers, what factors went into it-- that's all above my pay grade. :)
No doubt there are lots of things wrong with it, just like there always seem to be things wrong with all govt estimates of budgets and expenditures over time-- no matter what Admin is in power.
/cynical, i know.
| 537 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:36:59am |
re: #536 iceweasel
I haven't been following this issue at all
/well gee, feel free to FUCK OFF THEN!
| 538 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:37:48am |
re: #537 Killian Bundy
/well gee, feel free to FUCK OFF THEN!
Tsk, tsk. Someone has his feelings hurt because he doesn't know how to read a chart.
Lighten up, Francis.
| 539 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:38:22am |
re: #538 iceweasel
Tsk, tsk. Someone has his feelings hurt because he doesn't know how to read a chart.
Lighten up, Francis.
/lick yourself
| 540 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:39:32am |
re: #539 Killian Bundy
/lick yourself
That Palin porno talk got you all hot and bothered, hmmm? Earlier you were telling me Palin would mount my head.
:)
| 541 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:40:02am |
re: #536 iceweasel
So what was so important about this that it absolutely, positively had to be crammed through the House after some 300+ pages worth of amendments were tacked on?
If this climate change situation is so damn dire and we're teetering on the brink of doom, how come Al Gore isn't driving a prius or riding a unicorn horse-drawn cart to each well-compensated speaking appearence?
| 542 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:42:17am |
re: #541 Fenway_Nation
So what was so important about this that it absolutely, positively had to be crammed through the House after some 300+ pages worth of amendments were tacked on?
If this climate change situation is so damn dire and we're teetering on the brink of doom, how come Al Gore isn't driving a prius or riding a
unicornhorse-drawn cart to each well-compensated speaking appearence?
Beats me. Like I said, I'm not endorsing this thing and I suspect it probably does have a lot wrong with it. I'm just reporting on what the chart says.
/however, I would like my unicorn or pony.
| 543 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:45:43am |
re: #540 iceweasel
That Palin porno talk got you all hot and bothered, hmmm? Earlier you were telling me Palin would mount my head.
:)
Oh, that hurts.
/fan club
| 544 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:46:22am |
re: #542 iceweasel
I suspect it probably does have a lot wrong with it.
Yeah...and I suspect that water is slightly moist and Bettie Paige looked slightly appealing in a leopard-print bikini.
This piece of crap legislation could very well drive out of business some of the places I'm trying to get hired at.
| 545 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:47:09am |
re: #397 Fenway_Nation
Jeez....do you get the patronizing 'manufacturing is dead in America, we're a service-oriented economy now' crapola?
One of my relatives was actually worried when Obama was elected. See, over here in "the P.I." we've received quite a bit of the outsourcing that happened during the Bush administration.
If Obama did fix the economy, well...there goes our trump card. ):
| 546 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:48:10am |
re: #545 laZardo
outsourcing that happened = some American companies decided to outsource here, probably where China wasn't very suitable.
| 547 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:48:27am |
re: #530 laZardo
$770 across the board for all homes per year. I can see where the 40%-80%isle would be paying more, but the "richest" would still be paying more than the middle 20%, which should be plenty enough.
Heh. I salute iceweasel and you. I haven't laughed this hard in years.
| 548 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:48:56am |
re: #545 laZardo
I'd say he's got nothing to worry about.....
Unless you want to fret over competition from India or elsewhere.
| 549 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:49:08am |
re: #536 iceweasel
The biggest thing wrong with it is that the cost of the Disbursements is gonna be picked up by the tax payer which I said in my 520. the Actual cost to each household will be higher because of the increased tax burden placed on the top 50%. Then there is all the inflation that will result as a result of hte increased government spending that we couldn't maintain as it was. The actual cost per household average may well go into the thousands per house.
| 550 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:49:38am |
re: #468 iceweasel
BTW, I've mentioned this before, but I hope everyone knows what Google returns first when you search on shrieking harpy?
Thank a lefty/progressive blog reader for that today. Hee.
That's hilarious! :)
| 551 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:50:24am |
re: #544 Fenway_Nation
I suspect it probably does have a lot wrong with it.
Yeah...and I suspect that water is slightly moist and Bettie Paige looked slightly appealing in a leopard-print bikini.
This piece of crap legislation could very well drive out of business some of the places I'm trying to get hired at.
I have to say that any legislation this big that gets rushed through always makes me suspicious. That just seems like common sense to me-- no matter who is in charge.
What affects might it have on the places you're looking at? Like I said, I only know this one small chart and I haven't been following the issue.
/or we could just post pics and video of Betty Paige. I'm up for that! love her!
| 552 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:52:32am |
re: #551 iceweasel
I have to say that any legislation this big that gets rushed through always makes me suspicious. That just seems like common sense to me-- no matter who is in charge.
/2 iron
| 553 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:52:54am |
re: #550 Jimmah
That's hilarious! :)
Hey Jimmah! Were your ears burning? :)
I was mentioning you, but not by name, when I said someone here was responsible for me reading a lot of Pammy all at once. I was looking for that post you'd mentioned about Obama's sinister culinary choices.
I never found it but I did start to realise she has a really disturbing fondness for gruesome photos. I had to stop looking after a while.
| 554 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:52:54am |
re: #281 capitalist piglet
Lars Larson just repeated the same thing again. He said you wouldn't be able to sell a house without passing an energy audit. I don't know if he's referring to a different section, but that's the second time I heard him say it - maybe he's misinterpreting the bill?
He said the bill imposes California-style energy standards on all new construction, as well.
It's good to hammer out the facts of what this bill says, but it's also worth noting that this bill has now passed. Time to move on and attempt to block it in the Senate, where the margins are better to begin with and where the spelunking into the details of what the House passed can be used to help derail it.
| 555 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:53:34am |
Joan Baez chooses the right side:
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
I'm not a fan of hers, but this was nice to see all the same.
| 556 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:53:56am |
Shrieking Harpy according to Google = Pam Geller.
| 557 |
Throbert McGee Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:54:11am |
re: #471 freetoken
Speaking of which, one of the notorious "conservative"/"right" (self described) bloggers is asking the question:
I wonder if affirmative action helped kill Michael Jackson?
And links to a picture of Jackson's heart doctor (who happens to be black.)
Sheesh.
On a hunch, I checked out the blog run by A CURRENT WEASEL*, and sure enough, there was the post you were referring to. Since A CURRENT WEASEL and his nasty-ass "racial realist" blog have been a thorn in my paw for some time, I do appreciate you bringing my attention to it, freetoken.
I just posted a link to it on discardedlies.com, in hope that a few people who really ought to read it will read it. Doubt it'll do any good, but I couldn't resist the "I told you so" urge.
*Thanks, Brendan's Anagram Generator!
| 558 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:55:20am |
re: #551 iceweasel
Transportation- specifically some of the railways that have seen in increase in traffic due to oil and natural gas exploration and extraction around the Bakken or Marcellus shales.
| 559 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:56:13am |
re: #556 rustler
Shrieking Harpy according to Google = Pam Geller.
Yep. Thank us lefty/progressive blog readers for that little google bomb. :)
| 560 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:57:27am |
re: #548 Fenway_Nation
I'd say he's got nothing to worry about.....
Unless you want to fret over competition from India or elsewhere.
Should probably add that to my #546. Thanks. >_>
| 561 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:58:24am |
re: #559 iceweasel
Yep. Thank us lefty/progressive blog readers for that little google bomb. :)
What's your endgame?
/what do you hope to LGF accomplish?
| 562 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:58:42am |
re: #558 Fenway_Nation
Transportation- specifically some of the railways that have seen in increase in traffic due to oil and natural gas exploration and extraction around the Bakken or Marcellus shales.
Ah okay-- see, this is the kind of informed commentary that needs to be happening! As Six Degrees suggests, that is the kind of thing that needs to be brought up in the Senate as part of an informed opposition.
| 563 |
songbird Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:58:45am |
Good morning, Lizards!
Mr. Songbird and I are having a romantic morning at our respective laptops, reading news and playing Mafia wars.
| 564 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:59:41am |
| 565 |
itellu3times Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:59:47am |
re: #26 Ateam
BTW - this creature - MJ - is really dead?
He isn't only really dead,
He's really most sincerely, dead.
| 566 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:59:55am |
re: #554 SixDegrees
It's good to hammer out the facts of what this bill says, but it's also worth noting that this bill has now passed. Time to move on and attempt to block it in the Senate, where the margins are better to begin with and where the spelunking into the details of what the House passed can be used to help derail it.
Speaking of the Senate, did Al Franken get his seat yet?
/would not be surprised, unfortunately...
| 568 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:01:36am |
re: #564 iceweasel
What do you mean?
You're obviously an ass.
/what's your LGF purpose in posting here?
| 569 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:01:44am |
re: #553 iceweasel
Hey Jimmah! Were your ears burning? :)
I was mentioning you, but not by name, when I said someone here was responsible for me reading a lot of Pammy all at once. I was looking for that post you'd mentioned about Obama's sinister culinary choices.
I never found it but I did start to realise she has a really disturbing fondness for gruesome photos. I had to stop looking after a while.
Morning iceweasel! Ah, yes, the teacakegate pictures on Shreiks page - I meant to look for them myself, but got distracted.
I think 'lurid' describes her use of pictures, not to say technically inept (eg stretching small highly compressed jpegs to fill the page - nasty).
| 570 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:02:10am |
re: #530 laZardo
$770 across the board for all homes per year. I can see where the 40%-80%isle would be paying more, but the "richest" would still be paying more than the middle 20%, which should be plenty enough.
Maybe. It depends on how the numbers were cooked. For example, if they are based on the current economic climate, with it's severely reduced manufacturing and energy usage, they're worse than useless - the moment the economy returns to a normal rate of growth, those costs will soar through the roof and the numbers based on them will soar right along with them.
These figures were concocted by the government. I wouldn't trust them even a little bit.
I think the wisest thing to do at this point is focus on the bill's travels through the Senate, where there is more opposition to it. I'll be firing off letters to both of my state's Senators this weekend (hardcopy, which carries a good deal more weight than email) and will try to call them at the beginning of the week to register my disapproval, even though they are both Democrats who need a new pair of kneepads every week as long as 0bama is in the White House.
Maybe I should leave that last bit out of my communications.
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songbird Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:02:30am |
re: #567 laZardo
He's dead, Jim.
Mr. Songbird suggests that we all wear one glove on our left hand out of respect for MJ.
//////////////////
| 572 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:03:49am |
re: #559 iceweasel
Yeah just thought I'd be nice and post a link so others wouldn't have to type it into the search themselves. :)
| 573 |
AmeriDan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:04:25am |
re: #571 songbird
Mr. Songbird suggests that we all wear one glove on our left hand out of respect for MJ.
//////////////////
Duh, who isn't already doing that?
/
| 574 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:05:10am |
re: #569 Jimmah
Morning iceweasel! Ah, yes, the teacakegate pictures on Shreiks page - I meant to look for them myself, but got distracted.
I think 'lurid' describes her use of pictures, not to say technically inept (eg stretching small highly compressed jpegs to fill the page - nasty).
Exactly, I wanted to check out teacakegate. And you're right again about the technical ineptitude. It's impossible to search her site or her archives, and between the lurid pictures and the rising rage and frustration at how difficult it is to look at her site, I gave up.
I can state that teacakegate didn't occur in the month of June, but that's about it.
| 575 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:05:24am |
re: #571 songbird
"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!" - O.J. Simpson's Chris Brown's legal counsel
| 576 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:05:33am |
re: #572 rustler
Yeah just thought I'd be nice and post a link so others wouldn't have to type it into the search themselves. :)
Loved it!
| 577 |
Throbert McGee Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:05:41am |
By the way, today's breakfast offering at the International House Of Throbert® is cornmeal pancakes studded with corn niblets and diced ham, topped with Aunt Jemima imitation maple-esque syrup. Mmmmmm good -- sticks to your ribs and puts hair on your chest!
| 578 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:05:54am |
re: #562 iceweasel
I posted this earlier, but one of the companies that was kind kind enough to send me an application through the mail after I called and explained I couldn't get their online application to work is basically going to be shredded to bits by cap & trade. Their primary revenue source is anthricite coal (which is pretty clean, but probably not clean enough for the 0 admin.) and they've expanded their traffic to include pipes, heavy equipment and specialized 'frac sand' for natural gas exploration on the Marcellus shale.
| 579 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:06:19am |
re: #568 Killian Bundy
You're obviously an ass.
/what's your LGF purpose in posting here?
You guys need to get a room!
/
| 580 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:06:36am |
re: #562 iceweasel
The House and senate both know the Effects this will have on transportation costs. They don't care. A lot of Dems were happy with the $4 gas we had last summer, they just weren't to happy as to the reason for it's cost. Now they are working to get gas back up to $4 plus where they think it should be but do it thru legislation instead of letting the market determine the price.
| 581 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:07:23am |
re: #579 ggt
You guys need to get a room!
/
Seconded. I'm sorry if my question started some trouble here.
/now back to perusing for post-mortem Jacko humor.
| 582 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:09:10am |
re: #578 Fenway_Nation
I posted this earlier, but one of the companies that was kind kind enough to send me an application through the mail after I called and explained I couldn't get their online application to work is basically going to be shredded to bits by cap & trade. Their primary revenue source is anthricite coal (which is pretty clean, but probably not clean enough for the 0 admin.) and they've expanded their traffic to include pipes, heavy equipment and specialized 'frac sand' for natural gas exploration on the Marcellus shale.
I'm sorry this happened to you. I hope you have better luck elsewhere, and that this industry isn't hurt further. Maybe the Senate will be able to get that provision dropped; I hope so.
I've favourited your post and intend to make use of it whenever I'm talking to people who support Obama blindly, or this bill uncritically.
| 583 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:09:12am |
re: #581 laZardo
Well...the Lego one is less than 48 hrs old, but it's still probably old news by now.
| 584 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:09:56am |
re: #578 Fenway_Nation
I posted this earlier, but one of the companies that was kind kind enough to send me an application through the mail after I called and explained I couldn't get their online application to work is basically going to be shredded to bits by cap & trade. Their primary revenue source is anthricite coal (which is pretty clean, but probably not clean enough for the 0 admin.) and they've expanded their traffic to include pipes, heavy equipment and specialized 'frac sand' for natural gas exploration on the Marcellus shale.
Driving by a power plant in North Dakota, we say a huge train load of coal. RR Car after RR Car. I hadn't seen that in a long time--perhaps childhood. I think hubby said the Congresscritters from ND were freaking-out over this legislation.
| 585 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:11:00am |
re: #581 laZardo
Seconded. I'm sorry if my question started some trouble here.
/now back to perusing for post-mortem Jacko humor.
At least he's with Bubbles now.
| 586 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:11:44am |
re: #583 Fenway_Nation
Probably means the 24-hour "respect" limit is up, too. q; Found a few more on my art site along with the Lego one if you'd like to click.
/plus I owe Red those karma points for posting that one last night. c:
| 587 |
itellu3times Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:11:49am |
I assume Jackson has effectively been a drugged-out zombie for some months or years ahead of this, and the precise details of the last moments aren't nearly as sad as the larger picture.
Like the Anna Nichole Smith thing, but moreso.
| 588 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:11:54am |
re: #581 laZardo
Seconded. I'm sorry if my question started some trouble here.
/now back to perusing for post-mortem Jacko humor.
No worries, it wasn't your question. And there's no trouble or fighting going to happen.
/ no-one's going to be getting a room anytime soon either. :)
| 589 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:11:56am |
Good morning Lizard Nation. Is it possible Gilad Schalit's nightmare is about to end?
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
One can only hope ...
| 590 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:13:10am |
re: #584 ggt
Probably from the Powder River basin in Wyoming. I don't think the ND pols would be freaking out over coal so much as they are over the Bakken Oil Shale, a good chunk of which is in the northwestern corner of North Dakota.
| 591 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:14:32am |
Well, I gotta go again. I've got a lot to do over the next couple of weeks actually, might not be around much. Work - gaaah!
| 592 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:14:49am |
re: #589 _RememberTonyC
Good morning Lizard Nation. Is it possible Gilad Schalit's nightmare is about to end?
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
One can only hope ...
Looks like it, from what I've read. I hope so.
| 593 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:15:13am |
| 594 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:16:22am |
re: #589 _RememberTonyC
/at least I share a birthday with Samuel "the guy who invented the six-gun" Colt.
| 595 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:17:00am |
re: #582 iceweasel
I'm still trying to get people around this tiny little Liberal cesspool I live in to think about this cap and trade BS. In the last year we constructed a set of Nat Gas wells construction finished in February but they haven't been brought online and there is no Idea among those who built it when they will be brought online. New Mexico also produces a lot of coal and in the NW has several Oil refinaries. Unfortuneately noone here cares. The town of Santa Rosa made some money of the construction of the Natural Gas wells 15 miles outside of town and thats enough for them to continue wasting money. (3 years ago they bought the rides from "The Beach" waterpark in Albuquerque none have yet been installed they were left outside stacked up to weather for 3 years without maintenance and now likely the 3 million dollars for the water park rides that would be free for the children aren't likely to ever go up but we still had to pay for em. this is an example of the Waste here.)
| 596 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:19:54am |
re: #592 iceweasel
Looks like it, from what I've read. I hope so.
And if he is released (I will believe it when I see it), I hope Israel does something to make hamas pay for this crime. But I am not holding my breath.
| 597 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:20:00am |
re: #595 rustler
Can't change anything at a local level here either as I voted for a total of 3 positions on the ballot since everything else was unopposed.
| 598 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:21:26am |
re: #594 laZardo
/at least I share a birthday with Samuel "the guy who invented the six-gun" Colt.
becoming a palestinian "hero" doesn't take much, does it?
| 599 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:22:34am |
have a great day all! Going to watch the morning sun on Lake Superior.
| 600 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:22:51am |
re: #596 _RememberTonyC
Seems to me Hamas only brings up Mr Shalit when they need something but it's likely he's been dead for years now. I seem to remember them putting him on the table during the Christmas fiasco too. They do it because they know it brings the hurt back to the fore for those that knew him not because it's a serious offer.
| 601 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:23:07am |
re: #597 rustler
Saving both your posts too.
I don't know what to say. Most people don't know what's in the Cap & Trade bill (I'm one of them). Another problem is that a lot of people are just unthinking Obama cultists, so they just rubberstamp anything he does or anything they think he approves of.
And then there is the tendency on the part of a large number of people to just not give a damn anyway, and vaguely assume that the gov't knows what it's doing and will act in our best interests.
You'd think people like that wouldn't exist anymore, but they do.
| 602 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:23:17am |
re: #582 iceweasel
The big railways just aren't hiring right now- not for crews, at least. In fact, they're already furloughing employees.
For the time being, the safer bet for employment is one of the reigonal or short-haul railways....the pay isn't as high and there aren't as many benefits, but it's still work.
But after what the House pulled yesterday, all bets are off.
| 603 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:24:52am |
re: #602 Fenway_Nation Just hope and pray that during the Senate's Independance day Vacation we can bother them enough to maybe get it blocked.
| 605 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:28:03am |
re: #604 Fenway_Nation
Lol Santa Rosa Little town of 2800 people about halfway between albuquerque and the texas border on I40. I actually live in Vaugh a xroads in a couple highways 37 miles sw of Santa Rosa but commute to work.
| 607 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:30:52am |
re: #596 _RememberTonyC
And if he is released (I will believe it when I see it), I hope Israel does something to make hamas pay for this crime. But I am not holding my breath.
I'll believe it when I see it too. In the Haaretz article you linked, they're reporting that "The move is part of a new United States initiative that includes Egyptian and Syrian pressure on Hamas " and that Hamas is partly being moved because of the Obama admin's approach:
Hamas, which controls Gaza, has increasingly tried to reach out to the Obama administration in recent weeks. The militants are trying to bring an end to an international boycott of Hamas and a two-year border closure of Gaza.
I don't think we'll see anything done to punish Hamas, but I do think it's looking good for his release. I hope so.
| 608 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:31:28am |
re: #601 iceweasel
I know quite a few, unfortunately, who have convinced themselves that "sacrifices have to be made given what big business has gotten away with."
| 609 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:33:21am |
re: #608 laZardo I know quite a few who suckle on the teat of big business and stand to lose their jobs over this that feel the conmpanies they work for got what they deserved and can't wait for doors to close so htey can get their unemployment.
| 610 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:34:03am |
re: #608 laZardo
I know quite a few, unfortunately, who have convinced themselves that "sacrifices have to be made given what big business has gotten away with."
Exactly. As usual though, it's the average person who winds up paying the price. Often literally.
| 612 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:38:36am |
re: #596 _RememberTonyC
Oh this looks promising, a newer report: Arab sources are also confirming it!
The Arabic language newspaper Asharq al-Awsat on Saturday quoted Arab officials as saying that captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit will be moved to Egypt soon as part of a deal with Hamas to secure his release
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
| 613 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:41:12am |
re: #600 rustler
Seems to me Hamas only brings up Mr Shalit when they need something but it's likely he's been dead for years now. I seem to remember them putting him on the table during the Christmas fiasco too. They do it because they know it brings the hurt back to the fore for those that knew him not because it's a serious offer.
I believe he is alive, but G-d only knows what he has gone through. If this poor kid makes it back to Israel, I want hamas to pay.
| 614 |
laZardo Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:41:19am |
re: #612 iceweasel
That explains why Egypt temporarily reopened the Gaza border crossing?
| 615 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:41:23am |
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?
| 616 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:41:39am |
re: #605 rustler
Sorry...got logged out for a sec.
For some reason, I had Santa Fe or Taos being pegged as the exclusive blue enclave in NM....
| 617 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:43:02am |
re: #612 iceweasel
Oh this looks promising, a newer report: Arab sources are also confirming it!
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
arab sources confirming anything does not inspire confidence in my mind. But if this kid gets out, I will be happy for him and his family.
| 618 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:43:40am |
Yay our interim City Manager now may have Felony charges filed on him. Apparently he and his wife didn't like one of the State police officers stationed in town checking ID's in the bar(from heresay their 17 year old daughter was drinking at the bar at the time) so confronted him and started a shoving match. No arrest was made that night but hte entire altercation was caught by Officer White's Audio recorder.
| 619 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:44:00am |
re: #615 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?
Hoosier ... whassup? I saw Larry Bird compared Tyler Hansbrough to himself.
| 620 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:44:29am |
re: #574 iceweasel
Exactly, I wanted to check out teacakegate. And you're right again about the technical ineptitude. It's impossible to search her site or her archives, and between the lurid pictures and the rising rage and frustration at how difficult it is to look at her site, I gave up.
I can state that teacakegate didn't occur in the month of June, but that's about it.
This was bugging me, so I had a look in the May archive just there and found it. The teacakes - actually - crackers and cheese - were only a small part of the evil calumny on display from "Hussein" - you can see him doing all kinds of decadent, non-presidential things - watching tv, smiling, playing ball games. Caligula would have blushed./
| 621 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:45:19am |
| 622 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:45:44am |
I'm out for a few minutes .... back soon.
| 623 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:45:54am |
re: #616 Fenway_Nation
No basically the whole state except the ranchers but we take up a lot of the space but only make up a small portion of the population.
| 624 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:46:01am |
re: #620 Jimmah
This was bugging me, so I had a look in the May archive just there and found it. The teacakes - actually - crackers and cheese - were only a small part of the evil calumny on display from "Hussein" - you can see him doing all kinds of decadent, non-presidential things - watching tv, smiling, playing ball games. Caligula would have blushed./
Jimmah! Ok, I will go look there...dammit.
I hope your work goes well over the next two weeks; you'll be missed!
| 625 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:47:11am |
I honestly think that having a President with "Hussein" in his name fried Geller's last remaining brain cell.
| 626 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:47:25am |
re: #619 _RememberTonyC
Hoosier ... whassup? I saw Larry Bird compared Tyler Hansbrough to himself.
Hi Tony....
He said that? Oh-ho..
Well.. That's what the Pacers need. Another slow white guy at Forward..
jeez Bird....
| 627 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:49:26am |
re: #621 Jimmah
Oops forgot the link - here it is -
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
re: #621 Jimmah
Oops forgot the link - here it is -
Thanks again Jimmah-- I'm posting the link to the google cache of that here for anyone interested:
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
This way there is no direct link to her site or traffic from LGF to her.
(I think there is a policy of not directly linking here, but thank you for finding that!)
| 628 |
Aye Pod Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:50:16am |
re: #624 iceweasel
Jimmah! Ok, I will go look there...dammit.
I hope your work goes well over the next two weeks; you'll be missed!
Thanks :) I might manage to pop in for a quick look/comment from time to time - depends on how it goes. Later...
| 629 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:50:26am |
re: #627 iceweasel
Shit, i quoted your link. Gah! Please delete.
here is the google cache again, to avoid linking her:
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
| 630 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:50:43am |
OK lizards...time to sleep off some of this Bacardi and....caffiene?
| 631 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:52:28am |
re: #605 rustler
Lol Santa Rosa Little town of 2800 people about halfway between albuquerque and the texas border on I40. I actually live in Vaugh a xroads in a couple highways 37 miles sw of Santa Rosa but commute to work.
the boonies...far out man
| 632 |
rustler Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:52:35am |
Later all relief here time for shift change and commute home.
| 634 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:54:19am |
re: #614 laZardo
That explains why Egypt temporarily reopened the Gaza border crossing?
I think it might. From RememberTonyC's link:
The European source said Shalit's transfer to Egypt was the first stage of the Egyptian-brokered agreement hammered out between Fatah, Hamas and other Palestinian factions, in coordination with the U.S. and with Syria's support.
The deal would put the Gaza Strip under the leadership of a joint committee subordinate to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, removing it from the control of the government of Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.
| 635 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:54:20am |
| 636 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:54:38am |
re: #626 HoosierHoops
Hi Tony....
He said that? Oh-ho..
Well.. That's what the Pacers need. Another slow white guy at Forward..
jeez Bird....
I've seen Hansbrough play ... and as much as I hate to disagree with Larry Legend, I do not see the next Larry Bird. Larry David, perhaps ... but not Larry Bird.
| 637 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:56:05am |
re: #635 HoosierHoops
Good Morning VX.. How are you today?
Old. Very old. I hurt my back last weekend, and while I think most of that is better, now my hips are just killing me from everything moving around and out of place. I'm walking like an 80-year old. Where's my cane?
But otherwise I'm fine. I have new geek toys to play with at home. :D
| 638 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:56:30am |
Good one in The Onion today:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
| 639 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:58:03am |
re: #637 vxbush
Old. Very old. I hurt my back last weekend, and while I think most of that is better, now my hips are just killing me from everything moving around and out of place. I'm walking like an 80-year old. Where's my cane?
But otherwise I'm fine. I have new geek toys to play with at home. :D
I'm very sorry for you...That must hurt a lot....Get better soon!
Tell us about the geek toy
| 640 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:58:44am |
re: #637 vxbush
Old. Very old. I hurt my back last weekend, and while I think most of that is better, now my hips are just killing me from everything moving around and out of place. I'm walking like an 80-year old. Where's my cane?
But otherwise I'm fine. I have new geek toys to play with at home. :D
OOOH, sorry to hear that vx.
| 641 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:58:55am |
re: #638 Mad Al-Jaffee
Good one in The Onion today:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
I wonder where his publishing rights empire will go...he and McCartney own about 75% of everything ever recorded
| 642 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:59:34am |
re: #636 _RememberTonyC
I've seen Hansbrough play ... and as much as I hate to disagree with Larry Legend, I do not see the next Larry Bird. Larry David, perhaps ... but not Larry Bird.
People Love Larry here...Just adore him...
You would be hard pressed to find anyone here that thinks he is doing a good job running the pacers...
| 643 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:00:26am |
re: #640 reine.de.tout
{Reine} Good morning...Hope today finds you well
| 646 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:01:30am |
re: #639 HoosierHoops
I'm very sorry for you...That must hurt a lot....Get better soon!
Tell us about the geek toy
Actually, there are two. Here's the scoop:
My sister is better off financially than me, and so her husband is always buying her gifts for birthdays and holidays that she frankly never uses. She is so NOT a geek. So she called me up last month and said, "Hey, I've got this Sony Reader that I just never use. Are you interested?" As you can imagine, I could not say "yes!" fast enough.
So she sent me her Reader. It's not the latest model; it's the PRS-505, but it's been fun to play with. No way I can afford one of these or a Kindle, so I'm thrilled.
In the same box, she also sent me a Neat Receipts package. It's apparently a small scanner and software that lets you organize your receipts for taxes, projects, etc. Now there may be a downside to this one: it's a Windows product, and I have a Mac. I'm not sure if the Mac will recognize the scanner or not, or if I'll need to go find an open-source solution for it. But that will be the fun for this afternoon.
| 647 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:01:45am |
re: #641 albusteve
interesting...
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
| 648 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:02:09am |
re: #642 HoosierHoops
People Love Larry here...Just adore him...
You would be hard pressed to find anyone here that thinks he is doing a good job running the pacers...
Larry was tied with Bill Russell as my second favorite Celtic ever (John Havlicek was #1). But Larry the player was a legend. Larry the executive is ordinary at best.
| 649 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:03:34am |
re: #648 _RememberTonyC
Larry was tied with Bill Russell as my second favorite Celtic ever (John Havlicek was #1). But Larry the player was a legend. Larry the executive is ordinary at best.
My goodness, I remember when Larry played for Indiana State. You would have thought it was the second coming, the way people adored him. Just crazy.
| 650 |
jorline Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:04:49am |
How they voted
HR2454 American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009
AYES 219
Abercrombie
Ackerman
Adler (NJ)
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boccieri
Bono Mack
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carson (IN)
Castle
Castor (FL)
Chandler
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Courtney
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Driehaus
Edwards (MD)
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Giffords
Gonzalez
Gordon (TN)
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Halvorson
Hare
Harman
Heinrich
Higgins
Hill
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kagen
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kilroy
Kind
Kirk
Klein (FL)
Kosmas
Kratovil
Lance
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Luján
Lynch
Maffei
Maloney
Markey (CO)
Markey (MA)
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McHugh
McMahon
McNerney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy (NY)
Murphy, Patrick
Murtha
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:05:54am |
re: #650 jorline
Just to make it clear: if the eight Republicans who voted yes had instead voted no, the motion would not have passed.
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BignJames Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:06:37am |
re: #649 vxbush
My goodness, I remember when Larry played for Indiana State. You would have thought it was the second coming, the way people adored him. Just crazy.
Players like him don't come around very often.......and it is Indiana.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:07:23am |
re: #649 vxbush
My goodness, I remember when Larry played for Indiana State. You would have thought it was the second coming, the way people adored him. Just crazy.
VX .... Hope you feel better. Larry WAS the second coming at ISU. Think about it .... they never even got a whiff of national attention before or after Larry's time there. In addition, Bird told the legendary Bob Knight that he was leaving the Hoosiers to go play in Terre Haute. NOBODY did that in Indiana ... nobody. Larry was unique.
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:08:22am |
re: #652 BignJames
Players like him don't come around very often.......and it is Indiana.
I grew up in Indiana. I grew up idolizing Steve Alford. I know about how insane we are about Basketball. But I had never seen idolization for any other player the way Bird was. I realize he's a talent, but sometimes we take things too far.
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:09:03am |
re: #649 vxbush
My goodness, I remember when Larry played for Indiana State. You would have thought it was the second coming, the way people adored him. Just crazy.
Larry was a special Baller....A great shooter...Basketball IQ off the charts and a white guys with hops..A special player...
I remember watching him hanging out at 20 feet and when the defender would come out.. He'd go right past him to the lane...Sneaking fast speed
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:09:20am |
re: #653 _RememberTonyC
VX .... Hope you feel better. Larry WAS the second coming at ISU. Think about it .... they never even got a whiff of national attention before or after Larry's time there. In addition, Bird told the legendary Bob Knight that he was leaving the Hoosiers to go play in Terre Haute. NOBODY did that in Indiana ... nobody. Larry was unique.
Heh. Nobody said Bobby Knight was perfect. Yes, I grew up in Indiana and I just said that.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:09:31am |
re: #651 vxbush
Just to make it clear: if the eight Republicans who voted yes had instead voted no, the motion would not have passed.
Mark Levin was railing against them last night on the radio. He promised to make the 8 Repubs "household names."
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:10:24am |
re: #657 _RememberTonyC
Mark Levin was railing against them last night on the radio. He promised to make the 8 Repubs "household names."
I'm not sure that railing on them is such a great idea. Far better to rail against the Democratic leadership that brought such a stupid bill to begin with.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:11:53am |
re: #655 HoosierHoops
Larry was a special Baller....A great shooter...Basketball IQ off the charts and a white guys with hops..A special player...
I remember watching him hanging out at 20 feet and when the defender would come out.. He'd go right past him to the lane...Sneaking fast speed
he'd shoot left handed once in a while...his ball handling and passing skills were superior...crisp, accurate passes off balance and from awkward positions...imo of course
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BignJames Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:13:14am |
re: #655 HoosierHoops
Larry was a special Baller....A great shooter...Basketball IQ off the charts and a white guys with hops..A special player...
I remember watching him hanging out at 20 feet and when the defender would come out.. He'd go right past him to the lane...Sneaking fast speed
Heh....used to play in a "lunch league" at the Y....(when I was much younger)......there was a guy we called "the Black Hole"....pass him the ball.....you'd never see it again.
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jorline Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:13:38am |
re: #651 vxbush
Just to make it clear: if the eight Republicans who voted yes had instead voted no, the motion would not have passed.
I'm blown away.
My very liberal democratic congressman Solomon Ortiz voted against it.
I contacted his office twice. Of course we have five refinery's here and a lot of gas and oil production.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:13:39am |
re: #658 vxbush
I'm not sure that railing on them is such a great idea. Far better to rail against the Democratic leadership that brought such a stupid bill to begin with.
criticizing the dems shows weakness
/
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:15:00am |
re: #656 vxbush
Heh. Nobody said Bobby Knight was perfect. Yes, I grew up in Indiana and I just said that.
I always liked Bobby Knight, in spite of his many flaws. I always said that if one of my sons were good enough to play hoops at that level, I would have loved for them to play for Coach Knight. If college is all about preparing a young person for the real world, what better challenge could there be than playing for a demanding and sometimes unreasonable person like Bobby? After 4 years of that training, what situation in life would you not be prepared for?
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:15:10am |
re: #661 jorline
I'm blown away.
My very liberal democratic congressman Solomon Ortiz voted against it.
I contacted his office twice. Of course we have five refinery's here and a lot of gas and oil production.
Really?!? How odd. Do you think that some CEO's of said refineries had a little talk with Ortiz?
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:15:33am |
MJ still worth a mint...til his bills get paid
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:16:32am |
re: #660 BignJames
Heh....used to play in a "lunch league" at the Y....(when I was much younger)......there was a guy we called "the Black Hole"....pass him the ball.....you'd never see it again.
LOL ... Bird used to call Kevin McHale the "black hole" for exactly that reason.
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:16:59am |
re: #658 vxbush
I'm not sure that railing on them is such a great idea. Far better to rail against the Democratic leadership that brought such a stupid bill to begin with.
When I contacted the Arkansas representatives (there is a story in itself. I could talk to my representative's representative alright, but had to reach out to proxys elsewhere to talk to the other three representative's representative) the two Democrats representing farming, forestry, and ranching/poultry sections of the state were solid 'no' votes. The lone liberal, representing what we call a metro area, was noncommittal, but voted 'yes'.
The Republican, representing my district, said not only 'no' but 'hell, no'. He represents what has become the economic engine, as opposed to the political engine, of the state.
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:17:09am |
re: #663 _RememberTonyC
I always liked Bobby Knight, in spite of his many flaws. I always said that if one of my sons were good enough to play hoops at that level, I would have loved for them to play for Coach Knight. If college is all about preparing a young person for the real world, what better challenge could there be than playing for a demanding and sometimes unreasonable person like Bobby? After 4 years of that training, what situation in life would you not be prepared for?
I went to IU (one of the twelve sacred sites of college basketball), and while I was there Bobby was still coaching there (I am old as dirt, after all). I was always supremely impressed with how many of his players graduated college--95, 98% I believe it was. Just phenomenal. While he pushed you harder than anyone else, he also knew that you had to take advantage of the free education you were getting. I got tired of his antics at times, but I always respected him for making sure the players graduated.
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jorline Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:17:23am |
re: #664 vxbush
Really?!? How odd. Do you think that some CEO's of said refineries had a little talk with Ortiz?
lol...a lot of the voting employed refinery workers.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:19:04am |
re: #663 _RememberTonyC
I always liked Bobby Knight, in spite of his many flaws. I always said that if one of my sons were good enough to play hoops at that level, I would have loved for them to play for Coach Knight. If college is all about preparing a young person for the real world, what better challenge could there be than playing for a demanding and sometimes unreasonable person like Bobby? After 4 years of that training, what situation in life would you not be prepared for?
smacking players, assaulting fans, tossing chairs, rude, boorish behavior?...not worth it...it's a game you play while getting an education....my son passed up a bunch of full football scholarships, including Air Force And Navy to attend UofM and get smart...that's where it's at amigo
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Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:19:59am |
Morning all.
So happy to see that the House passed yet another massive bill without bothering to read it. How they look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me.
Oh, and anyone who has a blog with an Amazon link here in NC is now frozen out of the "associates" program. Because NC is moving towards an Internet tax, Amazon shut down the commissions program effective last night.
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:20:27am |
re: #670 albusteve
smacking players, assaulting fans, tossing chairs, rude, boorish behavior?...not worth it...it's a game you play while getting an education....my son passed up a bunch of full football scholarships, including Air Force And Navy to attend UofM and get smart...that's where it's at amigo
At the time, the only thing I knew of was the boorish behavior and throwing the chair. I knew nothing of assaulting fans or smacking players. I believe that was later, but I could be wrong.
Has Texas Tech done a better job of keeping his temper in line?
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BignJames Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:20:33am |
re: #668 vxbush
12 sacred sites of college basketball? Don't thik I've heard that.....I could prolly name 5.
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:21:37am |
re: #663 _RememberTonyC
I always liked Bobby Knight, in spite of his many flaws. I always said that if one of my sons were good enough to play hoops at that level, I would have loved for them to play for Coach Knight. If college is all about preparing a young person for the real world, what better challenge could there be than playing for a demanding and sometimes unreasonable person like Bobby? After 4 years of that training, what situation in life would you not be prepared for?
I may make enemies here. I have always despised Coach Knight.If he ever choked one of my boys I'd knock him the fuck out...
When Knight was going through the Indiana Shit I was living in Cali emailing CW Nevius of the Chronicle every single day on stories lines on Knight.
He led the National media to get him fired... I loved every second of it.
A coach is a leader..not a beater...
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:23:12am |
re: #668 vxbush
I went to IU (one of the twelve sacred sites of college basketball), and while I was there Bobby was still coaching there (I am old as dirt, after all). I was always supremely impressed with how many of his players graduated college--95, 98% I believe it was. Just phenomenal. While he pushed you harder than anyone else, he also knew that you had to take advantage of the free education you were getting. I got tired of his antics at times, but I always respected him for making sure the players graduated.
Agree 100%. With the exception of Isiah Thomas, Bobby never recruited the types of elite athletes that were able to win games on sheer talent alone. He recruited guys who played his system, guys with brains, and guys who understood that there is no "I" in team. He won 3 National Championships, but other than Isiah, he didn't produce any guys who made the Hall of Fame based on their NBA careers. That tells you that the brilliance of IU hoops was in his ability to get the absolute best effort out of everyone on the team.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:23:18am |
re: #672 vxbush
At the time, the only thing I knew of was the boorish behavior and throwing the chair. I knew nothing of assaulting fans or smacking players. I believe that was later, but I could be wrong.
Has Texas Tech done a better job of keeping his temper in line?
don't exactly know...I think his behavior was reigned in as part of the job...his work at TT is even more remarkable....the guy can flat out coach
| 677 |
Ateam Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:23:29am |
re: #261 Fenway_Nation
Is Ateam still here?
I'm dying to know....do the IDF reservists get to keep their uniform?
re: #258 Fenway_Nation
All this talk about a dead [alleged] pedophile....
Here's a little eye-candy for those interested.
/pouty girls with Galils.....what's not to love?
[I'm back after hanging up with the guys - Saturday beers & grilled small sea fishes]
Of course you keep 2 full sets as a wo/man reservist. After all, you need to be ready to mobilize in a very short notice(1), called "Ordainment 8". And every one customize his/her battle uniform according size and weight etc. Some reservists, mostly commanding officers, even hold at home a personal weapon.
(1) I had the Honor (and nicely monthly payment) to sit in the board of directors for 6 years. This Hi-Tech company developed genuine system to recruit full unites automatically and in hierarchic form.
OMG [Link: www.news.com.au...]
This one in d middle with the red parachutist's shoes is my neighbor's daughter!
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:24:07am |
re: #674 HoosierHoops
I may make enemies here. I have always despised Coach Knight.If he ever choked one of my boys I'd knock him the fuck out...
When Knight was going through the Indiana Shit I was living in Cali emailing CW Nevius of the Chronicle every single day on stories lines on Knight.
He led the National media to get him fired... I loved every second of it.
A coach is a leader..not a beater...
I have no disagreement that he needed to be fired.
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:24:09am |
re: #672 vxbush
At the time, the only thing I knew of was the boorish behavior and throwing the chair. I knew nothing of assaulting fans or smacking players. I believe that was later, but I could be wrong.
Has Texas Tech done a better job of keeping his temper in line?
Coach Knight doesn't coach anymore.....Weeeeeee!
The Dinosaurs are dying off in the coaching ranks
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:24:52am |
For anyone who hasn't seen/heard it...
Bobby Knight Golf Outtakes
Get it while it's hot!
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:25:22am |
From what I can gather about this carbon cap and trade bill, we're going to 'ease' into it. The major pain is five to ten years down the road.
The CBO also seems to have cherry-picked the numbers so as to show only $186/year as the cost.
Given the experience with the projected cost of government programs as opposed to the actual real world costs, my expectations are not high. Erm, what I mean is that I expect that the cost will be high, but I expect that the projected costs will be a fraction of what the actual costs are.
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:26:33am |
Morning Honcos,
LGF was all blurry and fuzzy, so I sipped some more coffee, rubbed by eyes. Still no better, hmm, maybe a problem with the screen?
NO, I forget the reading glasses I just got, still getting used to them.
Grumble, mumble, I'm too young to be getting old. GRUMP!
| 683 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:26:36am |
re: #680 J.D.
For anyone who hasn't seen/heard it...
Bobby Knight Golf Outtakes
Get it while it's hot!
About what I expected.
| 684 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:26:54am |
re: #670 albusteve
smacking players, assaulting fans, tossing chairs, rude, boorish behavior?...not worth it...it's a game you play while getting an education....my son passed up a bunch of full football scholarships, including Air Force And Navy to attend UofM and get smart...that's where it's at amigo
I am not disagreeing with you. Bobby had many flaws. But none of his kids ever got arrested or were in the news for doing drugs or hitting their girlfriends. And as VX said, they all graduated. Bobby is a complex guy with many flaws. He is ill tempered and irrational at times, but he is not without his good points.
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:27:02am |
re: #682 jcm
Morning Honcos,
LGF was all blurry and fuzzy, so I sipped some more coffee, rubbed by eyes. Still no better, hmm, maybe a problem with the screen?
NO, I forget the reading glasses I just got, still getting used to them.
Grumble, mumble, I'm too young to be getting old. GRUMP!
Some of us had reading glasses starting in third grade. :D
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:27:34am |
When you make them where those things, that brings up all sorts of connotations
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:28:04am |
re: #681 razorbacker
From what I can gather about this carbon cap and trade bill, we're going to 'ease' into it. The major pain is five to ten years down the road.
The CBO also seems to have cherry-picked the numbers so as to show only $186/year as the cost.
Given the experience with the projected cost of government programs as opposed to the actual real world costs, my expectations are not high. Erm, what I mean is that I expect that the cost will be high, but I expect that the projected costs will be a fraction of what the actual costs are.
YOU! Quiet!
Back on your oar, gruel will be served at noon as usual!
| 688 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:28:12am |
re: #686 SasquatchOnSteroids
When you make them where those things, that brings up all sorts of connotations
Oh. My. Who got stoned and suggested they were those?
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:28:37am |
re: #684 _RememberTonyC
I am not disagreeing with you. Bobby had many flaws. But none of his kids ever got arrested or were in the news for doing drugs or hitting their girlfriends. And as VX said, they all graduated. Bobby is a complex guy with many flaws. He is ill tempered and irrational at times, but he is not without his good points.
graduated with what sort of degree?...how many were tailored for athletes?...just nit picking
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:28:41am |
re: #685 vxbush
Some of us had reading glasses starting in third grade. :D
And some of us had glasses that enabled us to see across the room starting in fifth grade. :D
| 691 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:29:08am |
Good morning y'all - from a HOT (82 degrees going up to 94 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
How is everyone today?
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vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:29:37am |
re: #690 J.D.
And some of us had glasses that enabled us to see across the room starting in fifth grade. :D
Eh, we were just ahead of our time. In about five years, we'll start hearing about eye implants so you're attached to your computer 24/7.
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:30:26am |
Why would Republican McHugh vote for cap and trade?
I don't know.
Obama nominates GOP congressman as Army secretary
Which, I'm sure, had nothing to do with it.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:30:26am |
re: #679 HoosierHoops
Coach Knight doesn't coach anymore.....Weeeeeee!
The Dinosaurs are dying off in the coaching ranks
I'd never become an enemy over a hoop disagreement. But Bob works at ESPN now and he is a tremendous hoop analyst. I really enjoy listening to him. he actually has it written in his contract that he does not have to wear a jacket and tie like all the other analysts. ESPN had custom sweaters made up just for him.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:30:28am |
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SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:30:32am |
re: #617 _RememberTonyC
arab sources confirming anything does not inspire confidence in my mind. But if this kid gets out, I will be happy for him and his family.
...in exchange for 400 Palestinian prisoners.
Tell me this isn't going to encourage more such hostage taking in the future.
Glad for Shalit and family, of course. And to see what one Israeli life is worth vis a vis a terrorist life. But in the long run, this will only encourage more bad behavior.
| 698 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:30:40am |
re: #688 vxbush
Oh. My. Who got stoned and suggested they were those?
PIMF: they wear. Perhaps caffeine is in order.
| 699 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:31:08am |
re: #685 vxbush
Some of us had reading glasses starting in third grade. :D
Had 20/10, twice as good as 20/20 until my thirties, 20/20 until just recently.
It's not bad just annoying as heck. It's just weird, cause anything past an arms reach is just fine, but with glasses all blurry.
on, off, on, off.
| 700 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:31:11am |
re: #691 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a HOT (82 degrees going up to 94 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
How is everyone today?
FABULOUS!
Hot, and fabulous!
| 701 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:31:43am |
re: #687 jcm
YOU! Quiet!
Back on your oar, gruel will be served at noon as usual!
Perhaps, dear Sir, I might be allowed to alternate sides of the boat, so as not to over-develop only one side of the body?
| 702 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:31:56am |
re: #699 jcm
Had 20/10, twice as good as 20/20 until my thirties, 20/20 until just recently.
It's not bad just annoying as heck. It's just weird, cause anything past an arms reach is just fine, but with glasses all blurry.
on, off, on, off.
Now, I'm so near-sighted that nothing is in focus. Ever. If I had the money, I would probably get LASIK.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:32:04am |
re: #689 albusteve
graduated with what sort of degree?...how many were tailored for athletes?...just nit picking
Not sure, to be honest with you.
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:32:32am |
re: #691 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a HOT (82 degrees going up to 94 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
How is everyone today?
Hey Stud! Hope you are well today...I'm looking for a good movie this morning so that I can give my weekly Saturday Morning Review..
I'm still Blown away about the Dark Knight last week....Heath played one of the most intense parts I have ever seen by an actor...
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:32:45am |
re: #692 vxbush
Eh, we were just ahead of our time. In about five years, we'll start hearing about eye implants so you're attached to your computer 24/7.
Personal contact lens displays: The transparent OLED done one better
| 706 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:32:52am |
re: #691 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a HOT (82 degrees going up to 94 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
How is everyone today?
How are the choppers, RW?
| 707 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:32:52am |
re: #697 SixDegrees
...in exchange for 400 Palestinian prisoners.
Tell me this isn't going to encourage more such hostage taking in the future.
Glad for Shalit and family, of course. And to see what one Israeli life is worth vis a vis a terrorist life. But in the long run, this will only encourage more bad behavior.
I'll be honest; I thought Shalit had been dead for months and months now. I just couldn't see them keeping him alive.
| 708 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:33:21am |
re: #697 SixDegrees
...in exchange for 400 Palestinian prisoners.
Tell me this isn't going to encourage more such hostage taking in the future.
Glad for Shalit and family, of course. And to see what one Israeli life is worth vis a vis a terrorist life. But in the long run, this will only encourage more bad behavior.
fine, take the deal and immediately declare war against Hamas and liquidate the entire leadership, strip Gaza of all weapons and permanently destroy all tunnel complexes....done
| 709 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:33:31am |
re: #705 jcm
Personal contact lens displays: The transparent OLED done one better
Nope. No contacts for me anymore. My eyes dry out too fast.
Rats.
| 710 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:33:55am |
re: #701 razorbacker
Perhaps, dear Sir, I might be allowed to alternate sides of the boat, so as not to over-develop only one side of the body?
Another trouble maker I see, well the only way to the other side of the boat is under the keel!
| 711 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:34:21am |
re: #700 J.D.
Hi ya {J.D.) - it's hot and humid which I find a whole lot less than fabulous. We've been breaking heat records down here like crazy!
How are you today?
| 712 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:34:39am |
re: #695 _RememberTonyC
I'd never become an enemy over a hoop disagreement. But Bob works at ESPN now and he is a tremendous hoop analyst. I really enjoy listening to him. he actually has it written in his contract that he does not have to wear a jacket and tie like all the other analysts. ESPN had custom sweaters made up just for him.
He is a genius with Basketball...He does a great job at ESPN...
I don't hate him... The world of Ball left him behind as a coach....
| 714 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:35:05am |
re: #711 realwest
Hi ya {J.D.) - it's hot and humid which I find a whole lot less than fabulous. We've been breaking heat records down here like crazy!
How are you today?
It's only 68 here. I think the high is supposed to be 90, but I'm not sure how humid it will be.
| 715 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:35:30am |
re: #697 SixDegrees
...in exchange for 400 Palestinian prisoners.
Tell me this isn't going to encourage more such hostage taking in the future.
Glad for Shalit and family, of course. And to see what one Israeli life is worth vis a vis a terrorist life. But in the long run, this will only encourage more bad behavior.
Which is why I really feel the best thing to do if he is released is to open a serious can of whoop ass on hamas. So that they DO pay a price for his kidnapping.
| 716 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:36:09am |
re: #692 vxbush
Eh, we were just ahead of our time. In about five years, we'll start hearing about eye implants so you're attached to your computer 24/7.
Oh, dear.
*sigh*
I hope I can at least see the screen on them in the sunlight better than I can my cellphone.
| 717 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:36:19am |
| 718 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:37:02am |
re: #704 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops! Don't even know what current movies are playing or available on DVD, so I'm afraid I can't help you any!
How are you doing today?
| 719 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:37:15am |
re: #710 jcm
Another trouble maker I see, well the only way to the other side of the boat is under the keel!
Dead rowers, don't, you know. And when everyone is on only one side, the boat just goes in circles.
But, on the other hand, the breeze generated on the upper decks is no doubt just as refreshing.
| 720 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:37:37am |
A RINO explains his vote......
Reichert Votes for Clean Energy, Security Legislation
Reichert Votes for Clean Energy, Security Legislation
Washington, D.C., Jun 26 -
Congressman Dave Reichert (WA-08) released the following statement today after the U.S. House passed the American Clean Energy and Security Act:
“Energy independence and our national security are critical issues for America. These issues transcend politics. The future of this country is on the line and we can spare no effort when it comes to leading on these issues at a global level.
“This bill is not perfect, but it is a vital step toward energy independence. America cannot maintain global leadership without innovation and new ideas, and we cannot lead if we increasingly depend on foreign nations to heat our homes and move people and goods. The price of inaction is too great; America cannot stand on the sidelines while our competitors embrace new energy efficient technologies. It’s also important that we engage in a bipartisan discussion as we move forward – this bill has many other hoops to jump through before it becomes law and I will continue to work with my colleagues across the aisle and in the Senate to gain more tax relief for middle-income families.
“Teddy Roosevelt was the true example of a Republican engaged in conserving resources for our children and grandchildren, but he also had the foresight to seek a brighter future for them. Republicans must be at the table as we look for solutions in energy independence and preserving our environment, while also looking at the bigger picture and working with all of our colleagues for a stronger nation.”
| 721 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:38:22am |
re: #720 jcm
A RINO explains his vote......
Reichert Votes for Clean Energy, Security Legislation
Reichert Votes for Clean Energy, Security LegislationWashington, D.C., Jun 26 -
Congressman Dave Reichert (WA-08) released the following statement today after the U.S. House passed the American Clean Energy and Security Act:
And now, translated into English:
Blah blah blah I'm so important blah blah blah....
| 722 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:39:07am |
| 723 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:39:22am |
re: #681 razorbacker
From what I can gather about this carbon cap and trade bill, we're going to 'ease' into it. The major pain is five to ten years down the road.
Yup. Long after the perpetrators are out of office or otherwise beyond criticism.
And yes, costs are severely cherry-picked and will balloon enormously in the future, as well as when the economy begins picking up steam again. Although C&T will certainly act as a major drag on any recovery that comes along.
Write your Senators. Call your Senators. Email your Senators. There is a good chance of stopping this monstrosity in the Senate, and if there's enough of a groundswell against it from constituents it will also be possible to sink it back in the House, where it will be retooled upon failure and presented again and again and again as long as there is any hope of ramming it through.
Look for the Return of the Friday at Midnight Roll Call on this one.
| 724 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:39:31am |
re: #706 _RememberTonyC
Good morning! Well took over 3+1/2 hours in the chair yesterday afternoon but when it was done so was the root canal, tooth build up and new temp crown in place. Finished around 4:00 PM and novacane didn't wear off until I went to bed last night! LOL! No, I don't like it, I LOVES ME SOME NOVACANE! ROTF!
So far so good today, thanks for asking!
How are you doing today?
| 725 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:40:20am |
re: #719 razorbacker
Dead rowers, don't, you know. And when everyone is on only one side, the boat just goes in circles.
But, on the other hand, the breeze generated on the upper decks is no doubt just as refreshing.
Hah, now he's a political commentator.
You be quiet and row peaceful like, save your strength. The One wants to water ski after lunch.
You do know want happens to malcontents? We send 'em to Sir Swimmers wind farm to spin turbine blades when the wind dies down.
| 726 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:40:21am |
re: #720 jcm
The future of this country is on the line and we can spare no effort when it comes to leading on these issues at a global level.
what utter disconnected bullshit....how can anyone take this guy serious...and we pay him to make up this babble
| 727 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:40:29am |
HOPE AND CHANGE!
dictators are funny like that.
| 728 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:40:34am |
re: #671 Lincolntf
Morning all.
So happy to see that the House passed yet another massive bill without bothering to read it. How they look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me.
Oh, and anyone who has a blog with an Amazon link here in NC is now frozen out of the "associates" program. Because NC is moving towards an Internet tax, Amazon shut down the commissions program effective last night.
oh NO! That's awful! I hadn't heard anything about this-- I'll go check it out.
| 729 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:41:36am |
re: #714 {vxbush} Braggart! LOL! Hope you've got that chocolate stored somewhere cool though!
| 730 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:41:39am |
re: #720 jcm
I was happy to see that my Rep. voted against it, but the shirbird Heath Shuler from a neighboring district voted for it (he's a Liberal Dem who occasionally tries to pander to the middle by voting across Party lines), making the whole thing a wash.
Here's hoping that the Senate laughs it off the floor.
| 731 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:41:52am |
re: #721 vxbush
And now, translated into English:
Blah blah blah I'm so important blah blah blah....
And to think I donated to him when he first ran.
He was great as the Sheriff, but as pol, he's turned out to be disappointment.
| 732 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:42:32am |
| 733 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:42:35am |
re: #726 albusteve
The future of this country is on the line and we can spare no effort when it comes to leading on these issues at a global level.
what utter disconnected bullshit....how can anyone take this guy serious...and we pay him to make up this babble
I thought Reichert was smarter than that.
*sigh*
| 735 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:44:07am |
re: #722 HoosierHoops
Excellent idea Hoops - just don't float on the beer and drink from the pool!
Geebus, it's HOT down here already! - Now it's like 84 - two degrees warmer than when I first got on the board!
| 736 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:44:17am |
re: #729 realwest
Braggart! LOL! Hope you've got that chocolate stored somewhere cool though!
The freezer is very, veeeeeeery cold. :D
| 737 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:44:23am |
re: #724 realwest
Good morning! Well took over 3+1/2 hours in the chair yesterday afternoon but when it was done so was the root canal, tooth build up and new temp crown in place. Finished around 4:00 PM and novacane didn't wear off until I went to bed last night! LOL! No, I don't like it, I LOVES ME SOME NOVACANE! ROTF!
So far so good today, thanks for asking!
How are you doing today?
Glad to hear you are getting some relief. Root canals and crowns are not fun. We're doing great, thanks for asking. My son is leaving for Israel tomorrow for 5 weeks. I hope things are calm and boring while he is there. When my other son was there in 2006, the Lebanese/Hezbollah war broke out. I don't need that sort of excitement.
| 739 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:44:40am |
The Obama pattern:
(I especially like #4. LOL.)
1) The stimulus failed to meet Larry Summers' famous criteria of timely, targeted, or temporary.
2) The cap and trade legislation maximizes rent-seeking (favoritism toward particular businesses) and minimizes carbon reduction.
3) The proposed financial reforms are mostly cosmetic and fail to address the key issues of housing policy and regulatory capital arbitrage.
4) In championing health care reform, the President stresses the unsustainability of our current system, while insisting that nothing will change (you can keep your insurance, keep your doctor, etc.).
| 740 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:44:53am |
I'm going to do something to ease my pain.
I think that I'll inflict some pain on someone else.
My Califorinian neighbor down the road has bought a couple of houses in preperation of the housing market picking up soon and duplicating his success in the Californian real estate market.
I think I'll go ask him if his speculative investments meet California's new building code, and ask him how much it'll cost him to bring them up to code.
Heh. Good times.
| 741 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:44:53am |
re: #733 jcm
I thought Reichert was smarter than that.
*sigh*
Totally, Reichert has been a huge disappointment, when he's not being an embarrassment. What happened to him?
| 742 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:45:06am |
re: #730 Lincolntf
I was happy to see that my Rep. voted against it, but the shirbird Heath Shuler from a neighboring district voted for it (he's a Liberal Dem who occasionally tries to pander to the middle by voting across Party lines), making the whole thing a wash.
Here's hoping that the Senate laughs it off the floor.
I don't think it matters any more who votes for what....somebody is always willing to take the grease and cut your throat....term limits would solve that problem in heartbeat
| 744 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:46:00am |
HEY! WHAT'S going on here today? There's only 140 of us logged in but I feel like I'm in the lounge or something!
| 745 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:46:34am |
re: #711 realwest
Hi {real}. I'm doing fine except for a few kinks in the shoulder/arm that I know how to work through now. Pretty good!
It's so humid here, my windows fog up overnight. But it's only supposed to be 89° with a 40% chance of thunderstorms.
Wind: SW 12 mph
Max. Humidity: 67%
UV Index: 10+ Extreme
Tip of the day...
Wear Sunscreen.
You feeling OK?
| 746 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:47:28am |
re: #742 albusteve
Yeah, term limits are where I diverge from the conventional wisdom. Denying Americans the right to vote for who they want to represent them is incompatible with my understanding of our Nation's values.
| 747 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:47:55am |
re: #713 realwest
PIMF {J.D.}
Oh!
It was only 1/2 of a hug.
I was thinkin'...
What have I done? Wrong?
:D
/
| 748 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:48:57am |
re: #737 _RememberTonyC
Well I sure hope things are quiet and boring in the Israeli area of the ME too - hope he has a GREAT TIME!
| 749 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:48:59am |
re: #738 Lincolntf
Thank you so much for the link. It looks like only one in a series of salvos over the attempt of state gov't's to levy sales tax on online transactions:
Amazon's announcement is the latest in a legal fight that involves states trying to get out-of-state companies that conduct commerce with their residents largely online but have little or no physical presence in the state to collect taxes.
The stakes are large. Governments could generate $3 billion in new revenues if Web retailers had to collect taxes on all sales to consumers, according to Forrester Research.
Amazon sued New York in 2008 over a law similar to what North Carolina legislators are proposing because it argued that it unlawfully imposes tax-collection obligations on out-of-state entities. A trial-court judge dismissed the case in January.
Awful news.
| 750 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:49:53am |
re: #744 realwest
HEY! WHAT'S going on here today? There's only 140 of us logged in but I feel like I'm in the lounge or something!
quality trumps quantity every time
| 751 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:50:00am |
re: #746 Lincolntf
Yeah, term limits are where I diverge from the conventional wisdom. Denying Americans the right to vote for who they want to represent them is incompatible with my understanding of our Nation's values.
then there must be another mechanism to force them to do their job....dumping 300 pages of legislation at 3am, hours before a vote is incompatible with my values as the employer...they work for us
| 752 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:50:07am |
re: #741 iceweasel
Totally, Reichert has been a huge disappointment, when he's not being an embarrassment. What happened to him?
He's had two close races with a complete moron Burner (D), his district is eastern King Co. home of Seattle, and eastern Pierce Co. home of Tacoma. It's was rural and a nice bitter clingy type of area, but become more suburban. Partly it's his desire to get reelected.
Second, I think he's being captured by beltway culture and influenced by other western WA reps, Inlsee, Dicks and McDimwitt.
| 753 |
snowcrash Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:51:07am |
Who is up for some dramatic reading early in the morning? The very last comment on the Cap and Trade thread ends with "rollwave 87" saying "at the end of my life, Ill be able to look back and say I did everything I could to make this earth god gave us a better, cleaner place." Tickled my funny bone because s/he has lived "two short decades of life". Probably paid a lot of taxes in that time too!
| 754 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:51:17am |
re: #738 Lincolntf
Ugh. Not at all surprising, but ugh.
I see an opportunity here for more forward-thinking states. The state that declares a tax-collection amnesty for online retailers will be the state where online retailers flock to locate their operations, generating far more revenue in state income tax, sales tax and property tax than they could ever hope to collect through the Draconian measure proposed here.
South Carolina legislator: "Uh...brains...hurt. Thinking...hard! Oweeee. Raise taxes!"
| 755 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:52:10am |
re: #748 realwest
Well I sure hope things are quiet and boring in the Israeli area of the ME too - hope he has a GREAT TIME!
Thanks Brother! Part of the trip involves doing some of the same training the IDF goes through. I hope he gets some new perspective on how lucky he is to be an American.
| 756 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:52:47am |
re: #738 Lincolntf Ah yes, good ole North Carolina again. First with the stupid penny per mile tax and then the sales tax on sales tax and now - no more Amazon click throughs - just effin' wonderful.
| 757 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:53:43am |
So long for now, Lizards. Will check back later ... have a wonderful day!
| 758 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:54:15am |
re: #757 _RememberTonyC
So long for now, Lizards. Will check back later ... have a wonderful day!
See ya Bro....Best wishes!
| 759 |
vxbush Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:54:37am |
Well, I have a doctor's appointment today: they want to make sure I'm still breathing. I better go get ready. Now, where did I leave my lungs.....
Later, everyone.
| 760 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:54:44am |
re: #753 snowcrash
Who is up for some dramatic reading early in the morning? The very last comment on the Cap and Trade thread ends with "rollwave 87" saying "at the end of my life, Ill be able to look back and say I did everything I could to make this earth god gave us a better, cleaner place." Tickled my funny bone because s/he has lived "two short decades of life". Probably paid a lot of taxes in that time too!
Ha!
I've often thought that a very funny YouTube series could be made of dramatic readings of blog comments. It would definitely be a bipartisan effort, and would feature dramatic re-enactment not only of the more loony left comments, but also of the sort left on free republic ("Obama is a Muslim! Where is the nirth certifikat!")
| 762 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:55:56am |
re: #751 albusteve
then there must be another mechanism to force them to do their job....dumping 300 pages of legislation at 3am, hours before a vote is incompatible with my values as the employer...they work for us
It really is up to us.
Vote 'em out.
But they have a the advantage of incumbency. Media access, franking privileges, etc...
Look at what it takes to mount a successful challenge. What ordinary working citizen has the wherewithal to do it? Like the founders intended. To successfully run you have to be rich, or already inside the "system."
If we as whole start toss them all out on their asses things will change. But 80% of voters never study they go in on election day and check the familiar name unless he's been in the news in the last 30 days boinking an intern.
| 763 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:56:01am |
Unions & Communists Behind Barack Obama Card Check Robocalls
The group has ties to the US Communist Party.
(Unions used to be necessary. Now-- unions are communist model/business-killing mobs.)
| 764 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:57:34am |
re: #745 J.D.
Actually I feel like shit. Didn't get anywhere near enough sleep last night and - after missing some med's (should have been taken while root canal was going on) yesterday, I'm feeling it today.
But chopper wise, my teeth at least don't hurt anymore and that's good news!
How did y'all get those "kinks" in shoulder and arm?!
| 765 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:57:47am |
re: #752 jcm
He's had two close races with a complete moron Burner (D), his district is eastern King Co. home of Seattle, and eastern Pierce Co. home of Tacoma. It's was rural and a nice bitter clingy type of area, but become more suburban. Partly it's his desire to get reelected.
Second, I think he's being captured by beltway culture and influenced by other western WA reps, Inlsee, Dicks and McDimwitt.
That makes sense. It's so disappointing though; I'd liked Reichert. I think maybe he just wasn't prepared for life in politics, rather than law enforcement. His other background is what made him appealing, but ironically it's also his undoing, I think, when he has to deal with politicos.
| 766 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:58:12am |
re: #753 snowcrash
Poor dear.
She should have read Emerson...
To laugh often and much, to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children, to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch…to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded!
...Lots of good ideas there.
| 767 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:59:09am |
re: #755 _RememberTonyC
Thanks Brother! Part of the trip involves doing some of the same training the IDF goes through. I hope he gets some new perspective on how lucky he is to be an American.
half the country needs to be slapped to their senses...I wonder, even posters here...have they traveled across America and stayed to visit?...lived and worked in different regions?...sat down with blue collar folks for lunch and conversation?... have they hung out with simple, average Americans?...elitism...spending all your time in a large metropolis, bent over a keyboard...and when they travel they leave the country for sophisticated, exotic places, instead of waiting in lines at an amusement park with everyday folks?.....people just don't have a clue anymore what America is and what Americans are
| 768 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:59:37am |
re: #750 _RememberTonyC
quality trumps quantity every time
OK, but then why so much quantity this morning! HEY it's Saturday y'all - shouldn't most of you all be out mowing the loan, doing shopping, etc. etc.?
| 769 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:00:40am |
re: #762 jcm
Completely agree, and often voters don't even need a familiar name-- they just vote for the one that belongs to their party.
For a lot of people, they stop weighing and assessing politicians on their individual merits the day they register as either R or D.
Not everyone, obviously-- but many.
| 770 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:00:41am |
re: #762 jcm
It really is up to us.
Vote 'em out.But they have a the advantage of incumbency. Media access, franking privileges, etc...
Look at what it takes to mount a successful challenge. What ordinary working citizen has the wherewithal to do it? Like the founders intended. To successfully run you have to be rich, or already inside the "system."
If we as whole start toss them all out on their asses things will change. But 80% of voters never study they go in on election day and check the familiar name unless he's been in the news in the last 30 days boinking an intern.
it....sucks
300 million of us...I just don't know
| 771 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:02:57am |
re: #752 jcm Hey there jcm! Honestly I can't see how he thinks this Cap and Trade crap is gonna help HIS constituents at all.
Hope you all don't forget this in 2010 and vote in a real Democrat! Seems like out your way it doesn't make much difference, whether D or R; and there are so many escapees immigrants from California that y'all better get used to it!
| 772 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:05:00am |
re: #756 realwest
Hi RW. I keep meaning to suggest something to you. On Sunday morning at 8 AM there is a radio broadcast from the Carolina Journal (a conservative monthly paper/think-tank type of operation) here in Winston. I don't know when (or if) it's broadcast in Charlotte but I highly recommend you tune it in for good coverage of in-state issues. I only learned about it when I went to see Dick Morris speak and somehow my attendance garnered a subscription to their paper.
Carolina Journal
| 773 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:06:15am |
re: #769 iceweasel
Completely agree, and often voters don't even need a familiar name-- they just vote for the one that belongs to their party.
For a lot of people, they stop weighing and assessing politicians on their individual merits the day they register as either R or D.
Not everyone, obviously-- but many.
somehow the vast millions across the center of the spectrum need to get informed and vote...squeeze out far right social conservatives and far left whatever they are...this country is full of Harry Truman dems and Barry Goldwater republicans and they need to get back to the polls...get some sanity back into govt....imo
| 774 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:08:38am |
re: #769 iceweasel
Completely agree, and often voters don't even need a familiar name-- they just vote for the one that belongs to their party.
For a lot of people, they stop weighing and assessing politicians on their individual merits the day they register as either R or D.
Not everyone, obviously-- but many.
I'm really at the point of requiring a civics competency test to be able to vote.
It doesn't even to be has hard as this one. Lizards report a average score of 90% college profs 55%.
I know all the issues around it, but we've the de Tocqueville tipping point when half the population is being bribed out of the treasury.
| 775 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:09:18am |
re: #764 realwest
So sorry! But at least (if you're like me) you will sleep much better tonight... not that today will be all that wonderful...
Just leftovers from that year and a half long episode of shoulder impingement, ulnar nerve entrapment, and rhomboid syndrome. Same stuff, but so much better! I never thought I'd feel this good! ! !
I love my physical therapist!
| 776 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:09:51am |
I'm working on reformulating my salary structure, bonuses, etc.
Now if I can just get the boss to sign off on it....
My S-I-L gave me the idea after she restructured hers. Interesting.
| 777 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:09:52am |
re: #767 albusteve
half the country needs to be slapped to their senses...I wonder, even posters here...have they traveled across America and stayed to visit?...lived and worked in different regions?...sat down with blue collar folks for lunch and conversation?... have they hung out with simple, average Americans?...elitism...spending all your time in a large metropolis, bent over a keyboard...and when they travel they leave the country for sophisticated, exotic places, instead of waiting in lines at an amusement park with everyday folks?.....people just don't have a clue anymore what America is and what Americans are
Agree with you, and I'd only add that america is such a huge country and so diverse-- it's not only the people living in a metropolis that should see more of America, but everyone in America. People in other places in the US should also come to the metropoli (?) not just to visit, but to talk with the people who live there.
I've travelled and lived in enough of the US so that I get angry when Americans try to stereotype one region of the country, and I've lived in other countries and been completely enraged when people abroad think they know "what America is."
America is incredibly diverse, complicated, and truly the last place on earth that's easily reducible to stereotype.
Frankly, I blame the media for this. The beltway media is constantly promoting their sneers at "the heartland", while also flinging poo at "elitists".
| 778 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:09:56am |
re: #774 jcm
I'm really at the point of requiring a civics competency test to be able to vote.
It doesn't even to be has hard as this one. Lizards report a average score of 90% college profs 55%.I know all the issues around it, but we've the de Tocqueville tipping point when half the population is being bribed out of the treasury.
I would agree with that...
| 779 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:10:12am |
re: #771 realwest
Hey there jcm! Honestly I can't see how he thinks this Cap and Trade crap is gonna help HIS constituents at all.
Hope you all don't forget this in 2010 and vote in a real Democrat! Seems like out your way it doesn't make much difference, whether D or R; and there are so manyescapeesimmigrants from California that y'all better get used to it!
He's become a politician...
Finger in the wind.....
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:11:22am |
re: #779 jcm
He's become a politician...
Finger in the wind.....
That's it in a nutshell, what sells today, can get me through the week, LOOK ! MJ died ! Pay no attention.
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Throbert McGee Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:11:27am |
Redesigned my old avatar -- thinking about that as a T-shirt design, with the elephant shooting arrows out of its eyeball, comic-strip style. Does it make sense? (Click to see it a larger version of the graphic, and an explanation.)
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:12:37am |
re: #777 iceweasel
I hate the MSM with a passion...no excuses, no mercy
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:12:51am |
re: #781 Throbert McGee
Redesigned my old avatar -- thinking about that as a T-shirt design, with the elephant shooting arrows out of its eyeball, comic-strip style. Does it make sense? (Click to see it a larger version of the graphic, and an explanation.)
I like it!
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:13:40am |
re: #773 albusteve
somehow the vast millions across the center of the spectrum need to get informed and vote...squeeze out far right social conservatives and far left whatever they are...this country is full of Harry Truman dems and Barry Goldwater republicans and they need to get back to the polls...get some sanity back into govt....imo
You and I completely agree!
I want to see GOP reform in such a way that they're the party of the Truman dems and the Goldwater reps. Throw out these social conservative types.
If that happened, LOTS of people would vote GOP. I'm a total lefty by current standards and I would even vote for that party.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:15:07am |
re: #767 albusteve
Well SOME of us have indeed traveled and lived in lots of places here in the good ole USA and some of us have actually, you know, served in the military (and I can't think of a better way to get to know folks from other places, ethnic groups, races, religions and the like) but "people just don't have a clue anymore what America is and what Americans are" could be due to the fact that America isn't what America used to be back in, oh, say 2004.
Just saying to all those "it's Bush's fault" folks that the Democrats have controlled Congress (ya know that branch of government that used to write laws and give other members of Congress time to at least READ THE DAMN THINGS) since January 2007.
And it's not gonna get any better in 2010 barring some sort of catastophic event -which I would NOT like to see - or the MSM becoming more even handed - which I don't think I'll live long enough to see.
Face it my friend, Obama's been in office for what, less than six months and he has not lived up to a LOT of his campaign pledges (except, of course, for the UAW and the Tree-Huggers) and his "outreach to the World" got met with a mighty testy World and he isn't sure how to react to that.
Nope, this isn't the America of RWR anymore; hell it's not even the America of Bill Clinton anymore.
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:15:30am |
re: #780 SasquatchOnSteroids
That's it in a nutshell, what sells today, can get me through the week, LOOK ! MJ died ! Pay no attention.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
Should be part of the oath of office..........
*like it would really make a difference*
*spit*
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:16:07am |
re: #782 albusteve
I hate the MSM with a passion...no excuses, no mercy
Ditto. Hate, hate, hate.
A lot of lefty and progressive people hate the MSM as much as anyone on the right, btw. Right now the MSM is loving Obama, but that doesn't make us like the MSM more. They're despicable and are only interested in vacuous stories and promoting personality cults and they harm our political discourse.
Hate!
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Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:17:36am |
re: #785 iceweasel
The problem with the "socially liberal/fiscally conservative" dream party is that the two things are largely mutually exclusive, particularly in the areas of budgets/taxes/subsidies, etc.
Social Liberalism requires inserting "empathy" into mathematical equations. Fiscal Conservatism requires actual mathematics. The minute that emotion is inserted into a equation, all reason is lost.
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Chicken Kiev Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:17:49am |
#767 albusteve
people just don't have a clue anymore what America is and what Americans are
Truest thing I have read anywhere for a LONG time. Took a cross-country trip as a teen which gave me insights and made me appreciate this country more than anything before or since. I'm so sick of intellectuals here in the Bay Area bragging that they've traveled (or "eco-traveled") to Thailand and Burma and Cuba and yet they have never set foot in Mississippi, North Carolina, or South Dakota.
Ignorant elitists.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:17:54am |
re: #785 iceweasel
You and I completely agree!
I want to see GOP reform in such a way that they're the party of the Truman dems and the Goldwater reps. Throw out these social conservative types.
If that happened, LOTS of people would vote GOP. I'm a total lefty by current standards and I would even vote for that party.
there is no excuse for the majority to have to answer to a few lunatic creationists and enviro weenies...reaching across the ailes used to be a political responsibility to compromise, now it means treason to the party....this extreme partisanship must stop and the solution is all the unmotivated dullards in the middle that won't get involved...I'm repeating myself
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:19:58am |
re: #787 jcm
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
Should be part of the oath of office..........
*like it would really make a difference*
*spit*
Honor among Thieves, you know.
Power, of which I feel I have little. Well, except for putts within 6 feet.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:21:10am |
re: #791 albusteve
there is no excuse for the majority to have to answer to a few lunatic creationists and enviro weenies...reaching across the ailes used to be a political responsibility to compromise, now it means treason to the party....this extreme partisanship must stop and the solution is all the unmotivated dullards in the middle that won't get involved...I'm repeating myself
We agree. Catering to the fringe lunatic element, in either party, harms the country.
And voters who are blindly partisan are part of the problem...but there again I blame the MSM, so I'm repeating myself too. :)
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:21:34am |
re: #772 Lincolntf
Uh, did y'all say 8:00AM on Sunday morning? Well I'll try to listen in some Sunday morning - I'm always up around then anyway and have bookmarked your link!
And I particularly enjoyed this piece:
CHARLOTTE — Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke told a congressional panel that the regulator asked the bank to “look at top management and make changes to its board” after Bank of America proceeded with the deal and accepted another dose of government aid in January. It was the clearest signal yet that the Fed, in recent months, has had a heavier hand in the bank's operations and an unfolding board shake-up.
and yet we're supposed to believe that he DIDN'T compel BoA to acquire Merrill Lynch?!
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:21:56am |
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cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:22:19am |
just trying out the chat room facility, a bit confused with the changes going on at LGF
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:22:20am |
re: #786 realwest
Congress (ya know that branch of government that used to write laws and give other members of Congress time to at least READ THE DAMN THINGS)
In retrospect, it's not going to hold up.
The Left's Collapse…
In Europe, that is.
America's self-declared progressives see the U.S. future in Europe's welfare model. Across the Atlantic, meanwhile, voters en masse are dumping the political movement that gave them the nanny state. Hmmm.Of late, the winning political formula in Europe is simple: Promise to ease heavy tax and regulatory burdens and shake up stagnant economies. The welfare system is seen as broken. France's Nicolas Sarkozy and Italy's Silvio Berlusconi took this path to power. In the largest economy, Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel looks poised to defeat a divided left in September's elections.
Across the Continent, the left is in disarray. France's Socialist Party, which last won a Presidential election in the 1980s, refuses to move to the center -- and further sinks in the polls. Italy's leftist parties compromised themselves in a brief two-year stint in office, before Mr. Berlusconi swept them out in April of last year. The center-left ruling parties in Britain and Spain, which inherited economies revitalized by courageous politicians who implemented free-market ideas, are also in trouble. ...
Europe has figured that out.
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:23:53am |
re: #797 cagney
just trying out the chat room facility, a bit confused with the changes going on at LGF
Just sit back and enjoy.....
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:24:02am |
re: #786 realwest
the govt is too large and too powerful...it's forcing a homogenization that dilutes the people and the regions...there must be a way for shrimpers in the Gulf to make a living, or a smaller rancher in Wyoming to succeed...something is terribly wrong...it's a blessing to travel and take in all the vast differences...it's what I do and I consider all Americans to be my neighbor...we are losing the virtue to look out for one another...the MSM and extremist political factions are to blame
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:24:41am |
re: #797 cagney
just trying out the chat room facility, a bit confused with the changes going on at LGF
There is no chat room. Charles creates a private Thread for us for chatting just about every night. It's really fun
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:24:47am |
re: #790 Chicken Kiev
My son just graduated med school from Southern Cal and none of his peers had ever met anyone from Kentucky before, much less been there. Now, though, a few of them have!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:25:07am |
re: #762 jcm
It really is up to us.
Vote 'em out.But they have a the advantage of incumbency. Media access, franking privileges, etc...
Look at what it takes to mount a successful challenge. What ordinary working citizen has the wherewithal to do it? Like the founders intended. To successfully run you have to be rich, or already inside the "system."
If we as whole start toss them all out on their asses things will change. But 80% of voters never study they go in on election day and check the familiar name unless he's been in the news in the last 30 days boinking an intern.
We no longer have a representative government at the federal, state or local level. We have government employees who are working for special interest, big business and as TFK would say "the evil money cult."
Just in the last year, we had excellent examples of this kind of governing in action. It was the Bush administration that started instigating large bail out programs which took our money an gave it to the three entities I mention above. And this was done in total disregard to the pleads against the bail out money that came in the form of telephone calls, emails, polls and obvious lack of public support. Folks, those were our employees doing what they wanted, with no regard to us, their employers, and our opinions.
And the Obama administration has a goal, and that is to ingrain enough government control of finance, industry and health care, in order to solidify the foundation for, in the least, a soft form of European socialism. And once again, it appears that public opinion be dammed.
On top of this blatant disregard of of the financial health of our country that the Obama administration has displayed, he has so far been a total failure on the world diplomatic scene. Before and after his election, he swept the world, on his own personal campaign to the planet, offering an olive branch along with unproductive and dishonest apologies to dictator after dictator.
And what does we have to show for that? A willfully murderous Iran showing us it's clenched fist in regards to it's citizens personal freedoms. An ego-maniacal North Korean despot who wants to demonstrate to the world that his nuclear tipped fireworks can reach the outermost island off our pacific coast. An unmoving and unchanging Hamas, who will not budge one inch in regards to the stated goal of wiping the State of Israel off of the middle eastern map.
Where is our representation? Where is the government "by the people, for the people?" It's gone, vanished in a cloud of power grabbing kleptocrats, who believe they have found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
It's not even a matter of political or personal philosophy anymore. These politicians make no pretense of their total lack of morals. It has become a mad grab for the privilege of owning the moon, and they have become blind to the worthless dross that is slowly trickling through their fingers.
Need I say more?
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:26:16am |
re: #792 SasquatchOnSteroids
Power, of which I feel I have little. Well, except for putts within 6 feet.
That's better than 5 feet!
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cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:26:29am |
re: #799 jcm
I miss the occasional jaunt into the lizard lounge to catch up with things over the pond, trying to get my head round how the new thing works.
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cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:27:21am |
re: #801 HoosierHoops
Get you now, a virtual chatroom so to speak? Very ingenious!
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:27:23am |
re: #781 Throbert McGee
Hey Throbert! I like the design, though without the explanation I'd a thought the Elephant was looking left and shooting arrows out of his eyes to better see and hit the folks on the Left!
And the faded colors look cool NOW, but after a few washings - might just fade to unrecognizable!
(that's realwest, now a fashion designer too! LOL!)
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:28:41am |
re: #789 Lincolntf
The problem with the "socially liberal/fiscally conservative" dream party is that the two things are largely mutually exclusive, particularly in the areas of budgets/taxes/subsidies, etc.
That's actually a further and deeper question. In the original sense of 'liberal', and in the political science sense-- all Americans are liberal because America is a liberal democracy, founded on principles of egalitarianism, etc.
The further question is about how we view egalitarianism and what money, if any, is needed to ensure that.
Some people think we're automatically a society with equal opportunity just so long as our laws forbid discrimination.
Some people think that's not enough, and we need to use policies and money to ensure equal access to opportunity. Like affirmative action.
This is a very broad sketch of the difference, but you see what I mean.
You're right, the debates don't automatically end-- but I don't think that socially liberal/fiscally conservative has to be an oxymoron, as you suggest.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:28:41am |
re: #805 J.D.
That's better than 5 feet!
lol. well, yeah, but it sure doesn't help me change my reps mind about much.
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:28:56am |
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:30:28am |
re: #800 albusteve
the govt is too large and too powerful...it's forcing a homogenization that dilutes the people and the regions...there must be a way for shrimpers in the Gulf to make a living, or a smaller rancher in Wyoming to succeed...something is terribly wrong...it's a blessing to travel and take in all the vast differences...it's what I do and I consider all Americans to be my neighbor...we are losing the virtue to look out for one another...the MSM and extremist political factions are to blame
Quoted and updinged for truth.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:31:12am |
re: #791 albusteve
Talk all you want to about bi-partisanship, but the head of the GOP minority in the House of Reps has said, repeatedly (and no of course I can't find my links to it now) that Nancy Pelosi doesn't return his phone calls or e-mails.
Kinda hard to be a "reach across the aisle type" when there's hardly anyone there willing to take your hand.
| 816 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:32:33am |
re: #793 cagney
Good morning to you cagney! How are you doing today?
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:33:36am |
re: #815 realwest
Talk all you want to about bi-partisanship, but the head of the GOP minority in the House of Reps has said, repeatedly (and no of course I can't find my links to it now) that Nancy Pelosi doesn't return his phone calls or e-mails.
Kinda hard to be a "reach across the aisle type" when there's hardly anyone there willing to take your hand.
Pelosi is poison....the worst politician to come down the pike in my time...she is a gangster at heart
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:34:12am |
Tee Party at 1PM
No, I'm not taking Luap Nor.
I'm glad you feel better, real.
L8R.
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:34:58am |
re: #804 jcm
It can't last, at it's core it's a ponzi scheme.
There's a lot of that going around... unfortunately.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:35:28am |
re: #817 albusteve
Pelosi is poison....the worst politician to come down the pike in my time...she is a gangster at heart
Even the Dems hate Pelosi. And people on the left and progressives have also hated her performance since becoming Speaker.
| 821 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:35:39am |
re: #800 albusteve
One problem is that the States have largely ceded their sovereignty in order to suck the fat Federal teat.
Also, the tendency of politicians (particularly on the Left) to make everything into a "National crusade" results in laws (I'm thinking of some of the gun regs that have been proposed) that apply equally to nightclubs in Manhattan and the outback of the Alaskan wilderness.
| 822 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:35:47am |
re: #803 Walter L. Newton
I see, and understand you point. But not quite as pessimistic.
We either have a revolution at the ballot box, or the ponzi scheme evil two party money cult is going to crash and burn. It's gonna' be messy, and picking up the pieces a chore of Aegean Stable proportions. Or maybe that crackpot Russian who predicted the breakup wasn't so cracked.
At current directions, '10 and '12 I think sufficient numbers of voters will be a tad pissed.
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cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:36:00am |
re: #816 realwest
Afternoon realwest,it's 3 bell's over here in the UK. I'm doing fine. And you?
I read the articles on the minuteman's. I was a bit shocked in reading it. In my time in the lizard lounge, I recall from what was mentioned that the minuteman's were good people. Is it a splinter group that was responsible?
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opnion Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:36:41am |
Good moring. FNC is reporting bad news out of Iran.
Apparently protest leaders & others are being totrured to confess to foreign involvement in the movement.
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:36:46am |
re: #806 cagney
I miss the occasional jaunt into the lizard lounge to catch up with things over the pond, trying to get my head round how the new thing works.
Lounge had a security hole, so Charles closed it down.
The spy feature is the new lounge.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:37:48am |
re: #820 iceweasel
Even the Dems hate Pelosi. And people on the left and progressives have also hated her performance since becoming Speaker.
It's an act, they are afraid of her, even Obama is afraid of her. A public face will often be portrayed as anger, when in reality, underneath, the emotion is fear.
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:38:40am |
re: #811 SasquatchOnSteroids
lol. well, yeah, but it sure doesn't help me change my reps mind about much.
Have you tried the claw?
I have a [distant] friend who used it and had "THCLAW" on his license plate. A law professor from the university asked him if he was really advocating smoking marijuana...
Get thee to the practice putting green!
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:39:13am |
re: #824 opnion
Good moring. FNC is reporting bad news out of Iran.
Apparently protest leaders & others are being totrured to confess to foreign involvement in the movement.
An media in the US will dutifully parrot the line with little or no commentary.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:40:16am |
re: #822 jcm
I see, and understand you point. But not quite as pessimistic.
We either have a revolution at the ballot box, or the ponzi scheme evil two party money cult is going to crash and burn. It's gonna' be messy, and picking up the pieces a chore of Aegean Stable proportions. Or maybe that crackpot Russian who predicted the breakup wasn't so cracked.
At current directions, '10 and '12 I think sufficient numbers of voters will be a tad pissed.
Check with me in 2013 and we can revisit the Russian's prediction together.
| 830 |
justdanny Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:40:42am |
Watch and relax your spine and breathe...
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:41:20am |
re: #821 Lincolntf
One problem is that the States have largely ceded their sovereignty in order to suck the fat Federal teat.
Also, the tendency of politicians (particularly on the Left) to make everything into a "National crusade" results in laws (I'm thinking of some of the gun regs that have been proposed) that apply equally to nightclubs in Manhattan and the outback of the Alaskan wilderness.
good points...federal involvement ultimately erodes your small freedoms, that's why we are a republic...Federalism needs to make some kind of dramatic comeback...I simply love NM because so much land is publis or indian reservation, the population is so small that the feds intrusive presence seems minimal...it's here but not so bothersome...NM is truly a paradise, very rugged and harsh and people of all kind stick together
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:41:24am |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
It's an act, they are afraid of her, even Obama is afraid of her. A public face will often be portrayed as anger, when in reality, underneath, the emotion is fear.
I'll agree that a show of anger often masks fear....but that's not what's happening with Pelosi, in terms of progressive/left/Democratic distaste for her.
She's just disliked. No fear.
(maybe elected Dems are afraid of her and not willing to cross her. I'm talking about everyone else.And I seriously doubt that Obama is afraid of her. No way. )
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:42:00am |
re: #824 opnion
Good moring. FNC is reporting bad news out of Iran.
Apparently protest leaders & others are being totrured to confess to foreign involvement in the movement.
omg
I hate that.
But I'm not surprised.
What will our fearless leader have to say about that?
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:42:16am |
re: #800 albusteve Well on an individual level I disagree with you about our ability to look out for one another; it's easy to overlook all the good and worthwhile groups who provide soup kitchens, shelters and job possibilities (at a fraction of the cost of government - Federal or State - doing it) but en masse I'm afraid I agree with you.
But as much as I HATE the MSM, we all have to share the blame too. When's the last time you tried to engage your neighbor in intellegent, non-heated political discussion - try to pry away the hand that automatically pulls the lever for D or R ? (and NO, I don't mean "you" as in you personally!). Seems to me that probably 50% of Americans just try to get on with their lives, almost oblivious to what the governments are doing that make getting on with their lives SO MUCH more difficult.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:42:48am |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
It's an act, they are afraid of her, even Obama is afraid of her. A public face will often be portrayed as anger, when in reality, underneath, the emotion is fear.
another good point....like I said she's more like Al Capone
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:43:27am |
re: #829 Walter L. Newton
Check with me in 2013 and we can revisit the Russian's prediction together.
We can throw notes from our trenches tied to rocks during lulls in the fighting to each other.
/////
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opnion Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:43:52am |
re: #828 jcm
An media in the US will dutifully parrot the line with little or no commentary.
They will if they think that it relects on Bush. If the Regime accuses Obama the MSM will probably circle the wagons for him.
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:44:10am |
re: #833 J.D.
omg
I hate that.
But I'm not surprised.What will our fearless leader have to say about that?
One side of the vigorous debate has conceded a point.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:44:11am |
re: #832 iceweasel
(maybe elected Dems are afraid of her and not willing to cross her. I'm talking about everyone else.And I seriously doubt that Obama is afraid of her. No way. )
Let me qualify-- when Obama fucks up (which he has) it's all on him, he's doing that on his own. Not because he's afraid of Pelosi or pandering to her.
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:45:26am |
re: #838 cagney
cool. I'll keep an eye out for it.
Top of the tread, little green button with magnifying glass, just above "spinoff links."
Click it and enjoy.
Oh and buckle up first.......
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opnion Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:45:54am |
re: #833 J.D.
omg
I hate that.
But I'm not surprised.What will our fearless leader have to say about that?
He has actually rebuted Ahmindinijad on the charge.
Obama should have got out front on this.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:45:57am |
re: #834 realwest
Seems to me that probably 50% of Americans just try to get on with their lives, almost oblivious to what the governments are doing that make getting on with their lives SO MUCH more difficult.
Yep. That's the real problem, and unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime soon. Or ever, really.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:47:39am |
re: #834 realwest
Well on an individual level I disagree with you about our ability to look out for one another; it's easy to overlook all the good and worthwhile groups who provide soup kitchens, shelters and job possibilities (at a fraction of the cost of government - Federal or State - doing it) but en masse I'm afraid I agree with you.
But as much as I HATE the MSM, we all have to share the blame too. When's the last time you tried to engage your neighbor in intellegent, non-heated political discussion - try to pry away the hand that automatically pulls the lever for D or R ? (and NO, I don't mean "you" as in you personally!). Seems to me that probably 50% of Americans just try to get on with their lives, almost oblivious to what the governments are doing that make getting on with their lives SO MUCH more difficult.
I've tried to do my share, not politically but socially...I've given plenty of time and money away...it's all I can do...volunteering is extremely rewarding for me...burn clinics, food drives, senior citizens and I get out and about as much as possible...not blowing my own horn but it works for me...I love this country and the people in it
| 845 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:48:00am |
re: #841 jcm
Lol. I've been it a few times, looking forward to having the good times roll again!
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J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:48:06am |
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:49:05am |
re: #817 albusteve
Pelosi is poison....the worst politician to come down the pike in my time...she is a gangster at heart
Well that depends on how you look at her - to my mind, she's been an EXTREMELY effective Speaker of the House for the Dems.
But otherwise you're certainly right - especially about the crook part. Did you know that in a recent evaluation of the most wealthy politicians in Washington she was FIRST?! And indeed y'all had to get down to #6 to find a Republican, yet the Dems still pretend to represent the poor, downtrodded, and elderly. Meanwhile the Cap and Trade bill will adversley affect the poor, downtrodden and elderly the most.
Again, I do "thank" the MSM for this sorry state of affairs.
| 848 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:49:21am |
re: #843 iceweasel
Yep. That's the real problem, and unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime soon. Or ever, really.
In '10 or '12 when the Nixon/Ford/Carter economy of '76-'77 (Nixon started it with wage and price controls) looks like the "good ole" times enough will wake up to throw a few, not enough, bastards out of congress.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:50:21am |
re: #818 SasquatchOnSteroids Thankew Sasquatch!
Have fun at the Tea Party and keep your eyes out for Ron Paulians (or Paulistas as I like to call 'em) and Neo-Nazi's!
Take photos or videos if you can!
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:50:27am |
re: #845 cagney
Lol. I've been it a few times, looking forward to having the good times roll again!
It's nice meeting another Lizard...You are in the UK?
Ever been to Sefton Park?
| 851 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:51:04am |
re: #847 realwest
The myth of the Dems being the "party of the poor" always amuses me. Of course, I'm originally from a State where our two hyper-Leftist Senators are Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, both of whom are gazillionaires.
| 852 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:51:53am |
re: #847 realwest
Well that depends on how you look at her - to my mind, she's been an EXTREMELY effective Speaker of the House for the Dems.
But otherwise you're certainly right - especially about the crook part. Did you know that in a recent evaluation of the most wealthy politicians in Washington she was FIRST?! And indeed y'all had to get down to #6 to find a Republican, yet the Dems still pretend to represent the poor, downtrodded, and elderly. Meanwhile the Cap and Trade bill will adversley affect the poor, downtrodden and elderly the most.
Again, I do "thank" the MSM for this sorry state of affairs.
yesterday C Rangle went off on a rant that conservatives don't care about poor people (again)....astounding disconnect or flat out lie....this is just factually untrue but he's used it over and over to create a divide
| 853 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:51:59am |
This is interesting....
Obama Issues Signing Statement On War Spending BIll
Obama included a five-paragraph signing statement with the bill, including a final paragraph that outlined his objections to at least four areas of the bill.
President George W. Bush was heavily criticized for his use of signing statements, declaring he'd ignore some elements of legislation by invoking presidential prerogative.The Obama administration announced in the statement it would disregard provisions of the legislation that, among other things, would compel the Obama administration to pressure the World Bank to strengthen labor and environmental standards and require the Treasury department to report to Congress on the activities of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF).
Sounds like a line item veto to me but I guess Bush was doing it too. I wasn't aware there was a loophole.
| 854 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:52:29am |
re: #850 HoosierHoops
Sefton Park? Isn't that Wishbone's home turf of Liverpool?
I'm from bonnie Scotland.
| 855 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:52:38am |
re: #823 cagney
Ah, well then, good afternoon to you! I'm doing ok, thanks and near as I can tell, this was a splinter of a splinter group, though I confess to not having read it very thoroughly.
| 856 |
justdanny Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:53:14am |
The story of Neda's murder from a man who stood next to her when she was killed.
BBC
| 857 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:53:49am |
re: #844 albusteve
...I love this country and the people in it
And that last line of your's, in the above comment, may be the crux of the whole problem. When people get to the point that they no longer feel that their existence in the political process makes for a hill of beans, one of two things can happen.
They will become totally apathetic and go off grid, or they get frustrated and possibly dangerous.
Yes, those are both extremes, but humans tend to swing far to one side of an emotional issue.
You combine the possibilities of a country with a citizenship in that mental state, you've got big problems.
| 858 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:53:57am |
re: #848 jcm
In '10 or '12 when the Nixon/Ford/Carter economy of '76-'77 (Nixon started it with wage and price controls) looks like the "good ole" times enough will wake up to throw a few, not enough, bastards out of congress.
Could be. We can all try to forecast the elections, and be drowned in following every last spin--
but ultimately the midterms and also '12 will be decided by the economy, to be brutal. People vote based on the economy, especially that vast proportion of people who don't really think much about politics.
If the economy is in the toilet, if it's worse than it is right now, people will vote for the party that isn't in power. That's how it goes, has always gone.
| 859 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:56:27am |
re: #854 cagney
Sefton Park? Isn't that Wishbone's home turf of Liverpool?
I'm from bonnie Scotland.
Very nice meeting you. Sefton Park is outside of London...We have an office there.. I'll be there later in the year for a week visit.. There are a few lizards there and we are going to do a dinner one night....Hope to see you there
| 860 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:56:44am |
re: #858 iceweasel
Could be. We can all try to forecast the elections, and be drowned in following every last spin--
but ultimately the midterms and also '12 will be decided by the economy, to be brutal. People vote based on the economy, especially that vast proportion of people who don't really think much about politics.
If the economy is in the toilet, if it's worse than it is right now, people will vote for the party that isn't in power. That's how it goes, has always gone.
That's the nut of it.
| 861 |
bbuddha Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:57:01am |
re: #810 iceweasel
Good Morning all
I agree, it isn't an oxymoron at all. socially liberal and fiscally responsible is at the heart of Live and Let live.
| 862 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:57:18am |
re: #857 Walter L. Newton
And that last line of your's, in the above comment, may be the crux of the whole problem. When people get to the point that they no longer feel that their existence in the political process makes for a hill of beans, one of two things can happen.
They will become totally apathetic and go off grid, or they get frustrated and possibly dangerous.
Yes, those are both extremes, but humans tend to swing far to one side of an emotional issue.
You combine the possibilities of a country with a citizenship in that mental state, you've got big problems.
I predict big problems...govt is turning up the heat and it will go bad for all of us...maybe I'm too pessimistic
| 863 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:58:15am |
re: #858 iceweasel
Could be. We can all try to forecast the elections, and be drowned in following every last spin--
but ultimately the midterms and also '12 will be decided by the economy, to be brutal. People vote based on the economy, especially that vast proportion of people who don't really think much about politics.
If the economy is in the toilet, if it's worse than it is right now, people will vote for the party that isn't in power. That's how it goes, has always gone.
And what good will it do, if the public votes according to the economy? As I outlined above, it doesn't seem to matter what a politician says now a days, as soon as they get to the black hole known as "the government," the morph into a kleptocrat and their loyalties are not to the public that elected them (if we can even believe that anyone in government is really there because we want them there, versus special interest wants them there).
| 864 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:00:00am |
re: #844 albusteve
Well first let me say how much I admire and appreciate all that you do in terms of "charitable" types of things. I sincerely mean that, too. I too believe in helping each other out as best as we can.
And "I love this country and the people in it" goes for me too - BUT - I have to confess to not liking folks who don't at least respect this country and all that it has done during it's short history to help spread or preserve Democracy and Freedom around the world. And I especially don't much care for folks who come here from foreign lands and try to change America to be more like the places from which they've fled.
| 865 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:00:43am |
re: #862 albusteve
I predict big problems...govt is turning up the heat and it will go bad for all of us...maybe I'm too pessimistic
I've read you comment and positions on here for a number of years. No, you are realistic, that's a far cry from pessimistic.
I've said it before, the Idealist get good traction when the going is good, but when the shit finally hits the fan, it's the realist that normally have to clean up the mess.
| 866 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:01:21am |
| 867 |
Throbert McGee Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:01:26am |
re: #809 realwest
Hey Throbert! I like the design, though without the explanation I'd a thought the Elephant was looking left and shooting arrows out of his eyes to better see and hit the folks on the Left!
And the faded colors look cool NOW, but after a few washings - might just fade to unrecognizable!
(that's realwest, now a fashion designer too! LOL!)
Thanks for the feedback, RW and others! I guess my main concern is not that the design be immediately self-explanatory, but rather I wanted to make sure that once the symbolism was explained, it would "click" with people. Which, apparently, it does!
| 868 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:02:18am |
re: #861 bbuddha
Good Morning all
I agree, it isn't an oxymoron at all. socially liberal and fiscally responsible is at the heart of Live and Let live.
Except anymore socially liberal means statist, not socially libertarian in the modern sense.
| 869 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:02:20am |
re: #865 Walter L. Newton
And I'm typing too fast, structure and spelling is suffering. I don't care, if I don't get it down while it is streaming out of my brain, it looses a lot of it's impact for me.
Sorry.
| 870 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:02:41am |
re: #864 realwest
Well first let me say how much I admire and appreciate all that you do in terms of "charitable" types of things. I sincerely mean that, too. I too believe in helping each other out as best as we can.
And "I love this country and the people in it" goes for me too - BUT - I have to confess to not liking folks who don't at least respect this country and all that it has done during it's short history to help spread or preserve Democracy and Freedom around the world. And I especially don't much care for folks who come here from foreign lands and try to change America to be more like the places from which they've fled.
yeah I over reached with emotion on that one
| 871 |
Altermite Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:03:17am |
re: #864 realwest
. And I especially don't much care for folks who come here from foreign lands and try to change America to be more like the places from which they've fled.
That would be almost every immigrant ever, to an extent. And its nowhere near as prelavent as it was 300-400 years ago.
| 872 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:03:43am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
I hope you're all having a nice and hot summer's day, same as we have here!
The holiday visitor (four-legged) had twisted his front leg ankle - had to take him to the vet yesterday, now he's without pain, but only allowed short walks on the lead ... not easy!
| 873 |
Throbert McGee Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:04:06am |
| 874 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:04:29am |
| 875 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:04:44am |
re: #869 Walter L. Newton
And I'm typing too fast, structure and spelling is suffering. I don't care, if I don't get it down while it is streaming out of my brain, it looses a lot of it's impact for me.
Sorry.
I read you loud and clear... not to worry.
| 876 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:05:04am |
Just wishing everyone a good day. I have to post and run.
| 877 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:05:07am |
re: #873 Throbert McGee
Heh! The anglosphere is a big place, dude!
What does "anglo" have to do with it? Really, I don't understand that remark?
| 878 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:05:09am |
re: #854 cagney
From Scotland are ye?! My ancestors were Scots as well - indeed, I'm on the roll of the members if Clan Cameron!
I surely hope for your sake that you're not connected to Clan Campbell - not that I hold a grudge for a long time, mind you!
| 879 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:05:19am |
| 880 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:05:35am |
re: #876 Dark_Falcon
Just wishing everyone a good day. I have to post and run.
Have a safe day, fun for you I hope.
| 881 |
KenJen Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:05:56am |
re: #859 HoosierHoops
Very nice meeting you. Sefton Park is outside of London...We have an office there.. I'll be there later in the year for a week visit.. There are a few lizards there and we are going to do a dinner one night....Hope to see you there
Hi Hoops. Is it as hot up there as it is down here? What do lizards call each other we meeting face to face? Do you go by nics or real names?
| 882 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:06:09am |
Kudos to KosKidz....
Galloway: Khamenei's British mouthpiece
British Politician George Galloway has been the mouthpiece for the Islamist extremists for sometime and he has been recently been paid to broadcast propaganda for the Islamic Regime in Iran through their Press TV.
Sadly many so called intelligent people who often end up flowing with the wind, often have been cheering and applauding for this British sell out who has made a career out of promoting the positions of Islamist extremists. His lack of care for the beating, arrests and killings of Iranians (often through their plain-clothed thugs) is another example of Galloway's total disregard for the most basic human rights while he is repeating the official line of Ahmadinejad/Khamenei camp that they are acting within the law and Mousavi (and therefore his supporters) are not!
(With plenty of video.)
A few years ago they thought he was a courageous voice against American imperialism by speaking out for Saddam and Hamas. Glad to see them finally wake up.
| 883 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:06:21am |
re: #871 Altermite
That would be almost every immigrant ever, to an extent. And its nowhere near as prelavent as it was 300-400 years ago.
I disagree...assimilation in no way implies you give up what makes your culture unique...up in MI wooden shoes are still way cool
| 884 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:07:10am |
re: #882 Killgore Trout
Kudos to KosKidz....
Galloway: Khamenei's British mouthpiece(With plenty of video.)
A few years ago they thought he was a courageous voice against American imperialism by speaking out for Saddam and Hamas. Glad to see them finally wake up.
Lord Allah Allah!
| 885 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:07:50am |
Ahmadinejad slams Obama for "interfering" in Iran
"He (Obama) who spoke of reforms and changes, why did he interfere and comment in a way that disregards convention and courtesy," Ahmadinejad was quoted by the official IRNA news agency as asking. [...]Ahmadinejad also said those Western leaders who made "insulting and irrelevant comments will be put on a fair trial" by Iran at every "international gathering."
"It is enough. Do not disgrace yourself further by such language and behaviour," he said, urging them to "correct" their attitude towards Iran.
| 886 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:07:56am |
On a very sombre note: the clamp-down on outside communications by the Iranian government seems to be complete - as seems the internal terror.
There have been no tweets today from the ABC correspondents, and none, since Wednesday, from persiankiwi and Change_for_Iran - both said they were moving away from Tehran.
Tehre ahve only been tweets about the demos in other countries, and the onel lone tweeter is a girl called iranbaan, who mostly tweets in Farsi - Winston translates her tweets now and then.
It looks pretty bleak and grim to me.
If you want to have a quick look at the sparse bits of reports from iran, go here.
| 887 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:08:13am |
re: #856 justdanny
Good morning justdanny, I hope you're doing well - and thank you for that link.
| 888 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:08:15am |
re: #863 Walter L. Newton
And what good will it do, if the public votes according to the economy?
I wasn't saying, "the public should vote according to the economy"-- merely pointing out the sad fact that this IS how the public votes.
| 889 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:08:50am |
re: #878 realwest
From Scotland are ye?! My ancestors were Scots as well - indeed, I'm on the roll of the members if Clan Cameron!
I surely hope for your sake that you're not connected to Clan Campbell - not that I hold a grudge for a long time, mind you!
I'm a McLeod...get outa me way!
| 890 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:09:12am |
re: #885 Killgore Trout
Well, I'm certainly glad Obama didn't say anything until 10 days or so after the election. Imagine what AD could have sprouted off about if Obama had actually taken a stand when it could have mattered?
| 892 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:09:39am |
re: #815 realwest
Talk all you want to about bi-partisanship, but the head of the GOP minority in the House of Reps has said, repeatedly (and no of course I can't find my links to it now) that Nancy Pelosi doesn't return his phone calls or e-mails.
Kinda hard to be a "reach across the aisle type" when there's hardly anyone there willing to take your hand.
Dealing with the Speaker isn't going to get the GOP anywhere; she's the party's representative in the House and she's going to uphold the party line no matter what.
Reaching across the aisle will mean persuading like-minded Democrats to vote with the GOP on key issues. Likely prospects will have to be approached on an individual basis.
| 893 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:09:43am |
| 894 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:09:49am |
re: #884 jcm
I think it's a great example of what happens with a highly partisan world view. They can only support freedom when there's a democrat in office. Without a Democratic president they side with whoever hates America the most.
| 895 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:10:11am |
re: #861 bbuddha
In theory, they should not be mutually exclusive. In reality, they are. The problem is that "socially liberal" doesn't mean that the Government liberally lets people lead their lives, it mandates that people sacrifice freedoms (often in the form of cash) in order to achieve some "socially liberal" ideal.
There is simply no way to balance a budget, make a profit or function efficiently if cries of "unfair!" are allowed to take precedence over reality. Say some State has one billion dollars to spend, but they spend two billion dollars because it makes people feel better about something. They will be one billion dollars in debt. Repeat that cycle for a few years and you collapse. Witness the condition of places like MA, CA, NY for illustration.
| 896 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:10:29am |
re: #878 realwest
Lol. Scot's born and bred. Don't worry, I'm not a Campbell!
| 897 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:10:42am |
re: #885 Killgore Trout
another good reason why this guy should disappear...it is not even a moral question to me
| 898 |
kansas Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:11:12am |
Obama succeeds in getting Iran to unclench fist. Way to go.
Image: 42-15349237.jpg
| 899 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:11:33am |
re: #877 Walter L. Newton
What does "anglo" have to do with it? Really, I don't understand that remark?
Anglosphere. IE, either members of the blogosphere that are citizens of the UK, (which includes Scotland)--- or members of the 'anglosphere'= the English speaking/writing blogosphere as a whole.
| 900 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:11:37am |
re: #881 KenJen
Hi Hoops. Is it as hot up there as it is down here? What do lizards call each other we meeting face to face? Do you go by nics or real names?
It's hotter than hell...I'm wireless on the deck today..I'll be swimming alot
and drinking cold beer.....
Jen...We call each other by our real names in real life...My nic is blue..ping me and I'm ping you back on the blackberry...
you are good people...
| 901 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:12:35am |
re: #888 iceweasel
I wasn't saying, "the public should vote according to the economy"-- merely pointing out the sad fact that this IS how the public votes.
And I wasn't saying they "should" or "shouldn't," or that you did say that or didn't.
I said, when they DO vote according to the economy, it doesn't matter, which is in evidence by the obscene amount of money that Bush threw at finance and industry, even though the public said "stop," and the same tact that Obama is taking, and add health care in there.
They do what they want, when they want, no matter the reason that we wanted in the first place.
| 902 |
avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:13:12am |
re: #864 realwest
And I especially don't much care for folks who come here from foreign lands and try to change America to be more like the places from which they've fled.
I'm sure native Americans share that sentiment, but seriously those changes are what makes America great. From the foods they introduce, to sharing their holidays and customs and parts of their language, the entire melting pot thing.
If you are talking about trying to change our form of government or the like, I would agree.
| 903 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:13:41am |
From the Beeb:
Iran militia raids 'target homes'
From that link:
'Human Rights Watch has accused Iran's volunteer Basij militia of carrying out night-time raids, destroying property in private homes and beating civilians.
The New York-based group says the raids are an attempt to stop the nightly rooftop chants against the government.
It also says satellite dishes are being confiscated to stop people from watching foreign news. '
Yeah, well - they got that from some tweets, and in regard to the satellite dishes, thats been going on for well over ten days - all already tweeted ...
| 904 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:13:41am |
re: #901 Walter L. Newton
And I wasn't saying they "should" or "shouldn't," or that you did say that or didn't.
I said, when they DO vote according to the economy, it doesn't matter, which is in evidence by the obscene amount of money that Bush threw at finance and industry, even though the public said "stop," and the same tact that Obama is taking, and add health care in there.
They do what they want, when they want, no matter the reason that we wanted in the first place.
does Amtrak run on time?
| 905 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:14:35am |
re: #898 kansas
Obama succeeds in getting Iran to unclench fist. Way to go.
[Link: www.fotosearch.com...]
In Iran, it's actually the thumbs up.......
| 906 |
VioletTiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:14:47am |
re: #890 Walter L. Newton
Well, I'm certainly glad Obama didn't say anything until 10 days or so after the election. Imagine what AD could have sprouted off about if Obama had actually taken a stand when it could have mattered?
A very wise person I know made the following comment.....
"In my opinion those that detest us in the world just learned something very important about our Messiah....when confronted...He Blinks First....before he takes action...
Why do they "test him now? To see what happens. And they now know. And the next episode may NOT be a test..."
| 907 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:14:47am |
re: #902 avanti
I'm sure native Americans share that sentiment, but seriously those changes are what makes America great. From the foods they introduce, to sharing their holidays and customs and parts of their language, the entire melting pot thing.
If you are talking about trying to change our form of government or the like, I would agree.
they are not changes, they are additions...vast difference
| 908 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:15:09am |
re: #871 Altermite
Sorry but you're quite wrong about that. My ancestory is mostly Scots, Irish and some German thrown in. NONE of them tried to make America into Scotland, Ireland or Germany - they desperately wanted to assimilate and usually did so within one or two generations at most.
They most certainly did face bigotry of all sorts, but back in their times, America was a true meritocracy - and if they did well, they were welcomed with open arms. Same, same when I lived in Manhattan for 35 years - Greeks opened mostly restaurants, Koreans mostly "Deli's" and they all worked their asses off to become financially successful and guess what - most of us admired 'em for that and accepted them into the community.
| 909 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:15:30am |
re: #902 avanti
I'm sure native Americans share that sentiment, but seriously those changes are what makes America great. From the foods they introduce, to sharing their holidays and customs and parts of their language, the entire melting pot thing.
If you are talking about trying to change our form of government or the like, I would agree.
Interestingly, the newer metaphor for America is "the salad bowl", rather than the melting pot-- the idea being that America has many different ingredients, and doesn't force anyone to melt into homogenity.
| 910 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:15:54am |
re: #907 albusteve
they are not changes, they are additions...vast difference
Too nuanced for most to understand.
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:16:16am |
re: #903 yma o hyd
{YMA} Good to see you...I'm working the tan lines out by the pool....
Winston is playing in the yard....Life is sweet my friend
| 912 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:16:24am |
| 913 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:17:30am |
re: #872 yma o hyd
Well good afternoon to you {yma} sorry to hear about your four legged visitor, but assume the leg or ankle will heal ok?!
How are you doing my friend?
| 914 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:17:55am |
re: #910 Walter L. Newton
Too nuanced for most to understand.
yeah and I'm Albert Einstein...good grief
| 915 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:17:57am |
re: #911 HoosierHoops
{YMA} Good to see you...I'm working the tan lines out by the pool....
Winston is playing in the yard....Life is sweet my friend
Hiya, {HH}!
Thats excellent to hear - have some nice swims, and teach that winston that water is lovely to be in!
May life keep sweet for you for a very long time indeed!
| 916 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:18:10am |
re: #898 kansas
Obama succeeds in getting Iran to unclench fist. Way to go.
[Link: www.fotosearch.com...]
Whatdaya think... an E for effort?
| 917 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:18:37am |
re: #893 yma o hyd
Not into rugby myself, hopefully Murray will do some good at wimbeldon
| 919 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:20:05am |
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:20:20am |
re: #918 Dustoff-507
Morning all. (-:
DUSTOFF!
Hey, when gonna' kick those 787 guys in the ass, and tell 'em to git that bird in the air!
How ya' doing neighbor?
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:20:48am |
re: #913 realwest
Well good afternoon to you {yma} sorry to hear about your four legged visitor, but assume the leg or ankle will heal ok?!
How are you doing my friend?
Hiya, {rw}!
Was his onw fault, he tried running up the stairs from round the bottom corner!
Yes, he'll be fine, he already doesn't show any limps or strains - he is sooo gorgeous, wish I could keep him!
Its been a lovely day here - not too hot, bit of a breeze, some clouds: just wonderful!
i hope you are fine as well, and that this root canal thingie wasn't too horrible for you!
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avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:21:10am |
re: #907 albusteve
they are not changes, they are additions...vast difference
Now we are talking semantics, if you add or take away something, you've changed it IMHO. I guess you need to clear up what changes you fear from immigrants.
I'm first a generation Greek, so I hope it's not Gyro's. :)
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Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:21:12am |
re: #920 jcm
LOL, yeah pretty bad isn't it. I hear some are asking for the CEO to go.
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:21:40am |
re: #918 Dustoff-507
Morning all. (-:
Dustyoff! You Bastard! Missed you for like months!
Hope you are well.....Lot's of folks are wondering about you...
Wazzzzup!
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:22:12am |
re: #894 Killgore Trout
I think it's a great example of what happens with a highly partisan world view. They can only support freedom when there's a democrat in office. Without a Democratic president they side with whoever hates America the most.
OK Bub - who the hell are you and what have you done with our Killgore Trout, eh?!
| 926 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:22:36am |
re: #917 cagney
Not into rugby myself, hopefully Murray will do some good at wimbeldon
Haven't looked at the draw, not that much into tennis, bu there seem to be some pretty awkward customers around - and I don't mean Roger Federer ...
But yeah - he should certainly do better than Henman!
| 927 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:22:47am |
re: #924 HoosierHoops
I've been on the site a few times... Just trying to make Boeing a safer place
| 928 |
avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:23:28am |
re: #909 iceweasel
Interestingly, the newer metaphor for America is "the salad bowl", rather than the melting pot-- the idea being that America has many different ingredients, and doesn't force anyone to melt into homogenity.
That's probably closer, the immigrants culture does not melt in and disappear, it gets tossed in.
| 929 |
VioletTiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:23:45am |
My grandparents came through Ellis Island from Sicily. They brought their food, their language, their love of family and the earth. They brought grapes and wine making skills. They brought their love of the Catholic church.
But they loved America and my grandpop was the biggest patriot I ever knew. Every seashell in his garden was painted red white and blue. He had flags everywhere. They brought good things, good additions. But they didn't try and force anything on the people here before them. They brought additions, but they assimilated and had love and respect for the country. I'd love to see any emmigrants who want to bring the same.
However, if you want to come here and trash our way of life and impose your laws and your rules, I don't have a lot of time for you.
| 930 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:24:09am |
re: #925 realwest
OK Bub - who the hell are you and what have you done with our Killgore Trout, eh?!
Heh. I hear a lot of that these days. I'm the same me I've always been. How are you today?
| 931 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:24:21am |
re: #925 realwest
MORNING buddy.... How the heck are ya?
| 932 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:24:48am |
re: #922 avanti
Now we are talking semantics, if you add or take away something, you've changed it IMHO. I guess you need to clear up what changes you fear from immigrants.
I'm first a generation Greek, so I hope it's not Gyro's. :)
you are talking semantics, not me...adding cultural amenities does not change our culture, in fact it makes us what we are
| 933 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:25:03am |
re: #909 iceweasel
Interestingly, the newer metaphor for America is "the salad bowl", rather than the melting pot-- the idea being that America has many different ingredients, and doesn't force anyone to melt into homogenity.
I don't remember anyone being "forced" to discard their ethnic heritage, at least not as a defined government policy, not in the last 150 years.
Yet I do know, from personal experience, being born and raised in my formative years in Brooklyn NY, that the melting pot that was and is New York City, in general, has been a rich social experiment that worked out, for the most part, for the benefit of many people.
The "salad bowl" approach is what we see in countries like France. I have seen it, first hand, the suburbs of immigrants who are not allowed to become part of the French culture, set apart by the government.
If you loot at the rise of European nationalism right now, it is because of allowing the population to become a "salad bowl" instead of a coherent collection of ethnic cultures.
| 935 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:25:41am |
re: #922 avanti
Now we are talking semantics, if you add or take away something, you've changed it IMHO. I guess you need to clear up what changes you fear from immigrants.
I'm first a generation Greek, so I hope it's not Gyro's. :)
fucking idiot
| 936 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:25:58am |
re: #923 Dustoff-507
LOL, yeah pretty bad isn't it. I hear some are asking for the CEO to go.
Quantas cancelled, and bunch unhappy customers.
Lazy B, better get it's feces consolidated or Obama's gonna' be running it too.
| 938 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:26:38am |
re: #927 Dustoff-507
I've been on the site a few times... Just trying to make Boeing a safer place
Nice seeing you..please don't be a stranger
| 939 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:26:57am |
re: #928 avanti
That's probably closer, the immigrants culture does not melt in and disappear, it gets tossed in.
Yes. It's now tossed in and we celebrate immigrant culture; it's part of what makes America-- well, America.
And no-one better mess with gyros. Or spanikopita or anything else.
| 940 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:27:08am |
Btw - here a photo of that holiday visitor (four-legged) ...!
| 941 |
avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:27:31am |
re: #929 VioletTiger
However, if you want to come here and trash our way of life and impose your laws and your rules, I don't have a lot of time for you.
Who could disagree with that. If you liked your home country better, then you should never have left.
| 942 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:27:53am |
re: #936 jcm
HEY............. don't scare me like that. (-:
It's a big problem, where the wing meets the body. )-:
Under stress that area begins to fail. 0-:
| 943 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:27:54am |
re: #926 yma o hyd
not really into tennis myself but as Murray is a local(ish) boy...
| 944 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:27:59am |
re: #927 Dustoff-507
I've been on the site a few times... Just trying to make Boeing a safer place
I'm in charge of safety now at our facility, but my biggest worry is keeping the engineers from licking the 9v batteries.
| 945 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:28:36am |
re: #938 HoosierHoops
Trying not to be.... just dang busy and traveling from one place to another.
| 946 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:28:42am |
re: #902 avanti
Good morning avanti - no, I don't mean they shouldn't try to preserve their heritage at all, simply respect our form of government and - for most of it, at least - our history.
Oh and btw, I don't use the term Native Americans, instead I prefer the term First Americans, as the evidence would seem to suggest that the First Americans came here across what was then the land bridge from Asia to North America. The FIRST settlers (with apologies to the Vikings) were Asians.
| 947 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:28:44am |
re: #942 Dustoff-507
HEY............. don't scare me like that. (-:
It's a big problem, where the wing meets the body. )-:
Under stress that area begins to fail. 0-:
I was reading about it....
Wings fall off.... not good for customer satisfaction.
| 948 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:29:27am |
re: #944 jcm
Dude, what kind of engineers do you have? 0-:
| 949 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:29:41am |
re: #933 Walter L. Newton
the suburbs of immigrants who are not allowed to become part of the French culture, set apart by the government..
That's the opposite of America, and the opposite of the idea of 'salad bowl' metaphor for America. It's a salad bowl because all the ingredients get tossed together, get it? Not a metaphor about having several ingredients on the side. :)
| 950 |
Kronocide Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:29:48am |
re: #922 avanti
I guess you need to clear up what changes you fear from immigrants.
No true Lizard would hate a gyro!
Apart from the obvious, such as honor killings, what should be feared of with regards to immigration is non-assimilation. Instead of a salad bowl or melting pot, we end up with a bunch of tupperware containers. Making it easier for non-English speakers to exist actually discourages learning English, which is the best thing to bring us all together. Then we become a bunch of separated communities.
Maybe too much of a tangent change, but that's what I fear.
| 951 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:30:11am |
re: #947 jcm
Yeah, people get pissed when it's a one way flight.
| 953 |
avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:30:32am |
re: #935 albusteve
fucking idiot
There are some folks that you can't have a polite discussion with, so I'll just put you on gaze.
| 954 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:30:42am |
re: #943 cagney
not really into tennis myself but as Murray is a local(ish) boy...
Heh!
We know!
:-)
| 955 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:30:46am |
| 956 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:31:34am |
re: #946 realwest
Having been to some places in LA. NO melting pot there, it's TJ all over again.
Not a good thing.
| 957 |
VioletTiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:31:36am |
re: #941 avanti
Who could disagree with that. If you liked your home country better, then you should never have left.
I think that's the only thing most people here reject. We like the gyros and pizza pies.
| 958 |
axegrinder Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:32:23am |
re: #944 jcm
I'm in charge of safety now at our facility, but my biggest worry is keeping the engineers from licking the 9v batteries.
lol. My uncle works at Lockheed in Atlanta. I'll pass that one on to him. Ask him if he's licked any batteries lately.
| 959 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:32:25am |
re: #952 jcm
Aren't they spark chasers? Not battrey lickers... LOL
| 960 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:32:29am |
re: #918 Dustoff-507
HEY Dustoff! How are you doing my friend?! Long time no see!
| 961 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:32:56am |
re: #953 avanti
There are some folks that you can't have a polite discussion with, so I'll just put you on gaze.
I'd be insulted by that wise crack about fear of immigrants if I had any respect for you...I don't and that's exactly the reason why...you make shit up then dodge away....pretty small of you
| 962 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:33:12am |
re: #951 Dustoff-507
Yeah, people get pissed when it's a one way flight.
An inadvertent one way flight, for sure and certain.
| 963 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:33:44am |
re: #954 yma o hyd
I'm sure I read somewhere there was a bit of a carryon down south because there was fans at wimbledon with painted saltires on their face. Crazy stuff.
| 964 |
littleoldlady Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:33:53am |
/driveby
re: #942 Dustoff-507
Bernie, a young Jewish boy, decided he wanted to be an aeronautical
engineer and build airplanes. Over the years he studied hard, went to
the best schools, and finally got his degree. It didn't take long
before he gained a reputation as the finest aeronautical engineer in all
the land, so he decided to start his own company to build jets.His company was such a hit that the President of the United States
called Bernie into his office. "Bernie," the president said, "the
President of Israel wants to commission your company to build an advanced
jet fighter for his country. You have our approval--go out and design
him the best jet fighter ever made."Needless to say, Bernie was tremendously excited at this prospect.
The entire resources of his company went into building the most advanced
jet fighter in history. Everything looked terrific on paper, but when they
held the first test flight of the new jet, disaster struck. The wings
couldn't take the strain--they broke clean off of the fuselage! (The
test pilot parachuted to safety, thank G-d.)Bernie was devastated; his company redesigned the jet fighter, but
the same thing happened at the next test flight--the wings broke off again.Beside himself with worry, Bernie went to his Schul to pray...to ask
G-d where he had gone wrong. The rabbi saw Bernie's sadness, and naturally
asked him what the matter was. Bernie decided to pour his heart out to
the rabbi.After hearing the problem with the jet fighter, the rabbi put his
arm on Bernie's shoulder and told him, "Listen, I know how to solve your
problem. All you have to do is drill a row of holes directly above and
below where the wing meets the fuselage. If you do this, I absolutely
guarantee the wings won't fall off."Bernie just smiled and thanked the rabbi for his advice...but the
more he thought about it, the more he realized he had nothing to lose. Maybe
the rabbi had some holy insight. So Bernie did exactly what the rabbi
told him to do. On the next design of the jet fighter, they drilled a
row of holes directly above and below where the wings met
the fuselage. And...it worked! The next test flight went perfectly!Brimming with joy, Bernie went to the Schul to tell the rabbi that
his advice had worked. "Naturally," said the rabbi, "I never doubted it
would.""But Rabbi, how did you know that drilling the holes would prevent
the wings from falling off?""Bernie," the rabbi intoned, "I'm an old man. I've lived for many,
many years and I've celebrated Passover many, many times. And in all
those years, not once--NOT ONCE--has the matzoh broken on the
perforation!"
//driveby off
| 965 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:34:06am |
re: #960 realwest
I'm doing great, have a few days off and grass in my yard is well.....
MILE high. 0-:
| 966 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:34:15am |
re: #958 axegrinder
lol. My uncle works at Lockheed in Atlanta. I'll pass that one on to him. Ask him if he's licked any batteries lately.
Ask if he's heard this one....
Three engineers were in the bathroom standing at the urinals. The first engineer finished and walked over to the sink to wash his hands. He then proceeded to dry his hands very carefully. He used paper towel after paper towel and ensured that every single spot of water on his hands was dried. Turning to the other two engineers, he said, "At Hewlett Packard, we are trained to be extremely thorough."
The second engineer finished his task at the urinal and he proceeded to wash his hands. He used a single paper towel and made sure that he dried his hands using every available portion of the paper towel. He turned and said, "At Lockheed-Martin, not only are we trained to be extremely thorough, but we are also trained to be extremely efficient."
The third engineer finished and walked straight for the door, shouting over his shoulder, "At Apple Computer, Inc. we don't pee on our hands."
| 967 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:34:20am |
re: #921 yma o hyd
Well the root canal was pretty bad, I'm afraid. But other than suffering from a lack of sleep, I'm doing ok, thank you!
| 968 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:34:29am |
re: #949 iceweasel
That's the opposite of America, and the opposite of the idea of 'salad bowl' metaphor for America. It's a salad bowl because all the ingredients get tossed together, get it? Not a metaphor about having several ingredients on the side. :)
Then I am misunderstanding your metaphor.
| 969 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:34:48am |
re: #963 cagney
I'm sure I read somewhere there was a bit of a carryon down south because there was fans at wimbledon with painted saltires on their face. Crazy stuff.
Yeah - I can see how that would upset some of the English stuffed shirts!
| 970 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:35:17am |
re: #962 J.D.
It's not good at all. The delay could be up to 6 months. )-:
| 971 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:35:24am |
re: #946 realwest
I like the idea that Polynesian seafarers migrated to S. America in their flimsy little fishing boats. Can't remember the title of the book I read on the subject (it was partly speculation and the author was going to do a DNA study at some point to try to prove his point, don't know if he ever did) but it was very interesting.
| 972 |
avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:36:07am |
re: #946 realwest
Good morning avanti - no, I don't mean they shouldn't try to preserve their heritage at all, simply respect our form of government and - for most of it, at least - our history.
Oh and btw, I don't use the term Native Americans, instead I prefer the term First Americans, as the evidence would seem to suggest that the First Americans came here across what was then the land bridge from Asia to North America. The FIRST settlers (with apologies to the Vikings) were Asians.
I still hang on to Native Americans, because to me, they actually were here when the Europeans came and had set up a culture, although they too migrated.
| 974 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:36:21am |
A Little Flute Music To Warm The Cave
Archaeologists say they have unearthed the world's oldest musical instruments. They are flutes, made of vulture bone and mammoth tusks. They were found in caves in southwestern Germany and date back to the time when modern human beings — who actually looked like us — were first venturing into Europe.Scientists have little doubt that music is so basic to human nature that it goes back to our earliest days as a species. It's hard not to make music, when you think about it.
| 975 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:36:44am |
re: #929 VioletTiger
Good morning VioletTiger - and thank you for that comment! Hope you're doing well today!
| 978 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:37:19am |
re: #970 Dustoff-507
It's not good at all. The delay could be up to 6 months. )-:
Dang, that bad? WOW!
Heads are going roll for sure.
| 980 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:38:41am |
re: #930 Killgore Trout
I'm doing ok, thanks - just a tad sore from the root canal and tired as all get out from lack of sleep - but LGF is just toooo damn addicting - especially on the DT - for me to go back to bed!
How are you doing today?
| 981 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:38:41am |
re: #903 yma o hyd
From the Beeb:
Iran militia raids 'target homes'From that link:
'Human Rights Watch has accused Iran's volunteer Basij militia of carrying out night-time raids, destroying property in private homes and beating civilians.The New York-based group says the raids are an attempt to stop the nightly rooftop chants against the government.
It also says satellite dishes are being confiscated to stop people from watching foreign news. '
Yeah, well - they got that from some tweets, and in regard to the satellite dishes, thats been going on for well over ten days - all already tweeted ...
Well, good grief ya' daft ninny, skip down to the important parts.
Did any infidels touch the holey koran with their feeelth fingers?
Did anyone let nasty dirty dogs bark at 'em?
Were any panties placed on any heads?
No?
Well, then. An internal matter with which I'll not be concerned.
Have you heard about Michael Jackson?
| 983 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:39:27am |
re: #967 realwest
Well the root canal was pretty bad, I'm afraid. But other than suffering from a lack of sleep, I'm doing ok, thank you!
Aww - I'm really sorry to hear that!
At least the one blessing with physical pain is that once its over - it really is over, and while we can remember that we were in great pain, we cannot remember the pain itself ...
As for lack of sleep - not being facetious, but it is summer, and birds do sing very early ... so I'm not sleeping as much as I think I ought to, either ...
| 984 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:39:47am |
re: #978 jcm
I sure hope so.... at the Paris air show they lied to everyone saying the bird would fly at the 30th of this month, when they knew a month ago it couldn't.
So much for Boeing ethics!
| 985 |
avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:39:48am |
Be back in a bit, need to help the wife detail her car.
| 986 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:40:14am |
re: #931 Dustoff-507
I'm doing ok, all things considered! But as I asked you somewhere upthread, how the hell are YOU doing today?!
| 987 |
VioletTiger Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:40:19am |
re: #975 realwest
Good morning VioletTiger - and thank you for that comment! Hope you're doing well today!
I am just fine.
How are you, real?
Going out in the garden soon. The sun is actually shining today.
| 989 |
SurferDoc Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:42:07am |
Greetings from the beautiful Mojave Desert, where we are born conservative, everyone has guns, Democrat candidates refer to themselves as 'human sacrifices' and if and when Sharia Law shows up it will be sent away with an ass full of buckshot!
..and how are things in your world?
| 990 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:42:34am |
re: #970 Dustoff-507
Oh, they'll come up with something sooner than 6 months.
The power of positive thinking. Not totally reliable, but more comfortable... at least for a while.
| 991 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:42:36am |
re: #986 realwest
Doing great..... Going diving in a little while. (play with the fishes)
Coco is doing great.... wanting ALL of my attention all of the time.
Tomorrow I'm cutting down some trees to improve my view of the ocean..
| 992 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:42:44am |
re: #968 Walter L. Newton
Then I am misunderstanding your metaphor.
It's not 'my' metaphor. I'm just the person who happened to mention the 'salad bowl' metaphor in this thread.
the old metaphor for America was that it's a 'melting pot'. The new metaphor is that America is more like a salad bowl-- the point is, rather than being a crucible where every ingredient is melted down and forced to blend (like a 'melting pot') -- America is a salad bowl that combines all ingredients, mixes them together and yet allows each ingredient to remain 'itself'.
This is radically different from every other society on earth, which either forces everyone to 'blend', or makes it so separate cultures are contained in Tupperware, isolated.
You, albusteve, and avanti are all endorsing this idea of America, btw, in your various posts, even while you're fighting.
| 993 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:43:15am |
re: #981 razorbacker
If anybody mentions Michael Jackson one more time - I will not be responsible for my actions!
There was one page of more general 'news' from Iran in the TIMES/London today (all stuff we already knew ...): one page!
There were six pages on Michael Jackson - and a four-page extra pull-out as well.
I'm fed up to the back teeth with him!
| 995 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:44:02am |
re: #990 J.D.
They better, but it's in a very small area to work.
| 996 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:44:10am |
re: #984 Dustoff-507
I sure hope so.... at the Paris air show they lied to everyone saying the bird would fly at the 30th of this month, when they knew a month ago it couldn't.
So much for Boeing ethics!
That's gonna' leave a mark.....
Talk about shooting themselves in the foot.
| 997 |
debutaunt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:44:25am |
re: #900 HoosierHoops
It's hotter than hell...I'm wireless on the deck today..I'll be swimming alot
and drinking cold beer.....
Jen...We call each other by our real names in real life...My nic is blue..ping me and I'm ping you back on the blackberry...
you are good people...
Your real name isn't Hoops?
| 998 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:44:43am |
ouch!....another black eye for BO
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
| 999 |
Truck Monkey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:44:48am |
re: #944 jcm
I'm in charge of safety now at our facility, but my biggest worry is keeping the engineers from licking the 9v batteries.
I think they should stick to driving the trains.
Good morning everyone. ; )
| 1000 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:45:04am |
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
T-storms rumbled through the valley last night, breaking the humidity and cooling us down. Now, all the doors and windows are wide open and a loverly breeze is chasing away the stale air.
Lil Miss and I have been puttering away in the courtyard and my miniature roses are cheerfully blooming yellow, pink and red.
Life is good. :)
Top o' the marnin' to ya, {realwest}! *smoochie-smooch*
My ancestors came from Belfast in the 18th (?) century and were exiled for uttering obscenities against the Queen and lewd and public drunkeness.
Normal Christmas-time behavior in our house. :D
| 1001 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:45:09am |
re: #934 bbuddha
I only wish I had more up dings.
That's very kind of you to say! Thank you.
And how are you doing today?
| 1003 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:45:45am |
re: #996 jcm
Your not kidding... The unions are calling for the CEO and Scott Carson's head.
| 1004 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:45:57am |
re: #995 Dustoff-507
They better, but it's in a very small area to work.
How far is the second airframe? would the better off relegating No1 to static and going with No2?
If the weak are is still accessible on No2.
| 1005 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:46:31am |
WHOA - CRAP - just got a notice from this garden apartment complex about there having been some home invasions here in the last week or so - gotta go read it and then speak to the office to get details.
BBIAW!
| 1006 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:46:40am |
re: #993 yma o hyd
If anybody mentions Michael Jackson one more time - I will not be responsible for my actions!
There was one page of more general 'news' from Iran in the TIMES/London today (all stuff we already knew ...): one page!
There were six pages on Michael Jackson - and a four-page extra pull-out as well.
I'm fed up to the back teeth with him!
Erm. Ahhhh. Uhhhh. Farah Fawcett, perhaps?
| 1007 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:46:44am |
re: #969 yma o hyd
Aye the mentality is British if he wins, Scottish if he loses. Personally I couldn't give two Highlands.
| 1008 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:46:46am |
| 1009 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:47:20am |
re: #998 albusteve
What happen to Obama's I'll kiss your ASS tour? Not working out to well I see. Jezzzz
| 1010 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:47:22am |
re: #998 albusteve
ouch!....another black eye for BO
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Zero is making us the world's punching bag. I don't fucking like it.
| 1011 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:47:27am |
re: #1003 Dustoff-507
Your not kidding... The unions are calling for the CEO and Scott Carson's head.
From what I hear from a co-worker who just came back from Boeing, the unions are all that much help.
| 1012 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:47:38am |
re: #992 iceweasel
...You, albusteve, and avanti are all endorsing this idea of America, btw, in your various posts, even while you're fighting.
Please, don't assume I am fighting. That cheapens my arguments and comments. You have no clue as to my tone, tenor or demeanor at my end of the keyboard. Anyone that know me personally, knows that I can have a hearty disagreement with almost anyone, and never even get near a fighting stance.
Please?
(BBIAB)
| 1013 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:47:42am |
| 1015 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:47:59am |
rage against cap and trade
[Link: canadafreepress.com...]
| 1016 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:48:39am |
re: #1005 realwest
WHOA - CRAP - just got a notice from this garden apartment complex about there having been some home invasions here in the last week or so - gotta go read it and then speak to the office to get details.
BBIAW!
| 1017 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:48:54am |
re: #1006 razorbacker
Erm. Ahhhh. Uhhhh. Farah Fawcett, perhaps?
Poor thing!
She's been eclipsed utterly and totally.
| 1018 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:49:06am |
re: #982 jcm
It's that or duct tape........
;-P
My theory is that you can point out the actual moment when engineering began to decline.
It was when they quit using wire to hold hay bales together and switched to string.
Baling string. Now who can fix anything with that?
| 1019 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:49:45am |
re: #1004 jcm
LOL..... Serious DE-lam under stress. Japan saw the same thing on their F-2 fighter. So hopefully they know the fix?
| 1020 |
legalpad Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:50:09am |
re: #989 SurferDoc
Greetings from the beautiful Mojave Desert, where we are born conservative, everyone has guns, Democrat candidates refer to themselves as 'human sacrifices' and if and when Sharia Law shows up it will be sent away with an ass full of buckshot!
..and how are things in your world?
Wow- maybe I'm moving. Which state are you in? Not California!
| 1021 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:50:13am |
re: #1009 Dustoff-507
What happen to Obama's I'll kiss your ASS tour? Not working out to well I see. Jezzzz
it's turned out to be a disaster...he's made himself (and all of us) into a target....there is much to fear from this juvenile
| 1022 |
debutaunt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:50:30am |
re: #971 Lincolntf
I like the idea that Polynesian seafarers migrated to S. America in their flimsy little fishing boats. Can't remember the title of the book I read on the subject (it was partly speculation and the author was going to do a DNA study at some point to try to prove his point, don't know if he ever did) but it was very interesting.
Kon Tiki?
| 1023 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:50:44am |
re: #997 debutaunt
Your real name isn't Hoops?
You know what is funny? I have a nickname that I have been called all my life..
I should have registered but then I'd be recognized worldwide!
LOL....
*wink*
| 1024 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:50:56am |
re: #1017 yma o hyd
Poor thing!
She's been eclipsed utterly and totally.
I am given to understand that someone, somewhere, who is famous for something, has announced that he is gay. Perhaps that will divert your attention?
| 1025 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:50:56am |
re: #1007 cagney
Aye the mentality is British if he wins, Scottish if he loses. Personally I couldn't give two Highlands.
It has always been thus when it comes to great sportspeople who are born and bred in the lands of the Celtic fringe...
Nicole Cooke, for example (if you are into cycling) - she grew up just a few miles down the coast here in South Wales.
| 1026 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:51:13am |
re: #1011 jcm
Got me... But Boeing pushes "ethics" 7/24 so you can see why they are screaming now
| 1027 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:51:54am |
re: #1023 HoosierHoops
You know what is funny? I have a nickname that I have been called all my life..
I should have registered but then I'd be recognized worldwide!
LOL....
*wink*
Are you "The Bird"!
| 1029 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:52:20am |
re: #946 realwest
Good morning avanti - no, I don't mean they shouldn't try to preserve their heritage at all, simply respect our form of government and - for most of it, at least - our history.
Oh and btw, I don't use the term Native Americans, instead I prefer the term First Americans, as the evidence would seem to suggest that the First Americans came here across what was then the land bridge from Asia to North America. The FIRST settlers (with apologies to the Vikings) were Asians.
re: #902 avanti
Good morning RW, I hope your dental woes aren't too awful today!
Avanti-- I have to say I think RW is completely right here about the use of the term "native american".
"first american" is now the term preferred by many (so-called) 'native' Americans in the US and in Canada. Or "First Peoples".
I think "First Peoples" is the term used in Canada now-- and it's the one preferred by the former "Native North Americans" there.
So not only does the term "First" have the historical/anthropological backing that RW mentions-- it is also the preferred term now by many in that group.
| 1030 |
legalpad Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:52:42am |
re: #1005 realwest
WHOA - CRAP - just got a notice from this garden apartment complex about there having been some home invasions here in the last week or so - gotta go read it and then speak to the office to get details.
BBIAW!
I wish we had some home invasions around here. I keep waiting and nobody comes.
/
| 1031 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:52:56am |
re: #1022 debutaunt
No. I've got that here on my shelf. In fact, I think the author was using Heyerdahl as his (her?) starting point and then trying to go further (prove if/how/when/why the Polynesians became the dominant indigenous people in S. America. I have to go find the book.
| 1032 |
legalpad Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:53:27am |
re: #1002 MandyManners
I don't look like chopped liver.
What are you wearing?/////////////////////////////
| 1033 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:53:31am |
re: #1024 razorbacker
I am given to understand that someone, somewhere, who is famous for something, has announced that he is gay. Perhaps that will divert your attention?
Nah.
Couldn't care less what people get up to in their bedrooms.
I prefer sticking to LGF - far more entertaining and enlightening.
(And no hordes of hysterical whiners in sight!)
| 1035 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:55:38am |
re: #1029 iceweasel
Remember the bones they found in WA state. Very old and not native American. The tribes went nuts and wanted to bones put away fast. Which Bill Clinton did. )-:
| 1036 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:55:38am |
re: #1025 yma o hyd
The honest truth, I haven't heard of Nicole, it's an amazing thing that I learn about her through an American website!
| 1037 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:55:49am |
re: #1011 jcm
From what I hear from a co-worker who just came back from Boeing, the unions are all that much help.
The company where the wife-woman works laid off people this past Thursday and Friday. A union shop (meatpackers). So the union folks called their union rep.
Who has taken vacation, and doesn't answer the phone, cell phone, email, or the door.
| 1038 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:56:04am |
re: #1033 yma o hyd
Nah.
Couldn't care less what people get up to in their bedrooms.I prefer sticking to LGF - far more entertaining and enlightening.
(And no hordes of hysterical whiners in sight!)
Here are a bunch of 0's supporters.
[Link: www.gifbin.com...]
| 1039 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:56:07am |
re: #1012 Walter L. Newton
Please, don't assume I am fighting. That cheapens my arguments and comments. You have no clue as to my tone, tenor or demeanor at my end of the keyboard. Anyone that know me personally, knows that I can have a hearty disagreement with almost anyone, and never even get near a fighting stance.
Please?
(BBIAB)
Walter, I'm sorry-- I shouldn't have used the word 'fighting', but disagreeing.
I like you personally and I appreciate anyone who can get into a hearty argument; I like that about you!
Forgive me.
| 1040 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:56:50am |
re: #1027 VegasRick
Are you "The Bird"!
LOL
I did a google hit on my nic...320,000 hits...
Sorry..HoosierHoops works just fine...My nic is blue upstream..Give me a ping sometime
| 1041 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:57:01am |
any liberals want to reply to this blurb?
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
| 1042 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:57:27am |
re: #993 yma o hyd
If anybody mentions Michael Jackson one more time - I will not be responsible for my actions!
There was one page of more general 'news' from Iran in the TIMES/London today (all stuff we already knew ...): one page!
There were six pages on Michael Jackson - and a four-page extra pull-out as well.
I'm fed up to the back teeth with him!
Who's Michael Jackson?
/runs awaaaaaaaaaay
| 1043 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:57:37am |
re: #1040 HoosierHoops
LOL
I did a google hit on my nic...320,000 hits...
Sorry..HoosierHoops works just fine...My nic is blue upstream..Give me a ping sometime
Will do.
| 1045 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:58:22am |
re: #1038 VegasRick
Nice, now if we could just get Congress & the Senate to do this...
| 1047 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:58:33am |
re: #1036 cagney
The honest truth, I haven't heard of Nicole, it's an amazing thing that I learn about her through an American website!
Blimey!
She only won the Olympic gold medal in the road race, and the world championship later as well ...
But since you got Chris Hoy, you're pretty much covered in glory, as far as cycling is concerned!
| 1048 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:58:51am |
re: #1033 yma o hyd
Nah.
Couldn't care less what people get up to in their bedrooms.I prefer sticking to LGF - far more entertaining and enlightening.
(And no hordes of hysterical whiners in sight!)
Well, then. If you are content to stew in your own juices I'll have to leave you to it.
I see something shiny over there in the distance. I wonder whatever that could be?
| 1049 |
debutaunt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:58:56am |
| 1050 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:59:21am |
re: #1041 albusteve
any liberals want to reply to this blurb?
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Not to worry! Avanti says that they will all be here in 6 months!
ULTRA/////////
| 1051 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:59:37am |
re: #1031 Lincolntf
No. I've got that here on my shelf. In fact, I think the author was using Heyerdahl as his (her?) starting point and then trying to go further (prove if/how/when/why the Polynesians became the dominant indigenous people in S. America. I have to go find the book.
TH used a raft, the famed Kon Tiki...someone else tried a reed boat but it swamped and sunk if I recall...the boat was huge all made from bundled reeds...pretty cool
| 1052 |
Kronocide Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:59:56am |
| 1053 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:00:05am |
re: #1038 VegasRick
Here are a bunch of 0's supporters.
[Link: www.gifbin.com...]
Pity there weren't more of them ...
(Sorry, am in a bit of a ferocious mood right now!)
| 1054 |
J.D. Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:01:11am |
| 1055 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:01:13am |
re: #1042 Miss Trixie
Who's Michael Jackson?
/runs awaaaaaaaaaay
Teeheehee!
(Love that avatar, btw!)
| 1056 |
cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:01:19am |
re: #1047 yma o hyd
Please understand, I don't follow sport but a few eyebrows were raised when Hoy won a MBE? Pretty bizarre
| 1057 |
debutaunt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:02:16am |
re: #1031 Lincolntf
No. I've got that here on my shelf. In fact, I think the author was using Heyerdahl as his (her?) starting point and then trying to go further (prove if/how/when/why the Polynesians became the dominant indigenous people in S. America. I have to go find the book.
I know DNA testing wasn't around during the Kon Tiki era, but I was so proud of myself for remembering the name!
| 1059 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:02:42am |
re: #1014 Dustoff-507
Morning, morning, morning. (-:
Well! Look who's here! Glad to see you - it's been a while and by the sounds of it, you're quite busy. BTW, any pics of Coco to share? :D
| 1060 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:03:13am |
| 1061 |
Dustoff-507 Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:03:16am |
OK you fine people. I have a diving date to attend.
So I'm off. Have a WONDERFUL weekend.
C-ya. (-:
| 1062 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:03:21am |
re: #1041 albusteve
any liberals want to reply to this blurb?
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Aw, I'll give it a shot later, if you insist, but at the moment I'm kind of lazy and more into YouTube. :)
| 1063 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:03:45am |
re: #1052 BigPapa
'It's Bush's fault.'
eight years of prosperity but it's Bush's disaster BO inherited....does anyone here actually believe that?
| 1064 |
itellu3times Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:03:52am |
re: #1058 sngnsgt
Michael Jackson is still dead right? /
not sure, maybe if you recite "I do believe in fairies!" enough times, he'll come back.
| 1065 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:04:09am |
re: #1059 Miss Trixie
{Miss trixie} hope today finds you well
| 1066 |
bbuddha Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:04:36am |
re: #1001 realwest
Good, busy, hanging laundry in between posts. Thank G_d the rain stopped for a bit, maybe long enough for stuff to dry
| 1067 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:04:52am |
| 1068 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:05:02am |
re: #1062 iceweasel
Aw, I'll give it a shot later, if you insist, but at the moment I'm kind of lazy and more into YouTube. :)
Are you the one with the flowery dress?
[Link: www.gifbin.com...]
| 1069 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:05:30am |
re: #1046 MandyManners
Insanity is the only expression which does justice to what is going on.
Here's a pretty good comment about this insanity:
Good pop is about sex or authenticity: Jacko had neither:'
'His squeaky voice was maddening, his music abysmal; I’d rather be torn apart by werewolves than listen to Thriller or Bad, let alone the later stuff, ever again ...'
| 1070 |
razorbacker Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:05:31am |
I've been trying to get in touch with customer support this morning about my MP3 player.
I tell you what, if those folks in India aren't going to work on the weekends, either, I'd just as soon they move the techs back to the States.
I'll see y'all later.
| 1071 |
Kronocide Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:06:09am |
re: #1063 albusteve
eight years of prosperity but it's Bush's disaster BO inherited....does anyone here actually believe that?
When you're a rabid BDS sufferer you see it as 8 years of disaster. Reality won't agree with you though.
| 1072 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:06:19am |
re: #1048 razorbacker
Well, then. If you are content to stew in your own juices I'll have to leave you to it.
I see something shiny over there in the distance. I wonder whatever that could be?
Better go and investigate, hadn't you?
:-)))
| 1073 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:06:22am |
Hey Californians, Anyone know anything about the Golden State Party?
Their webpage sets off some alarm bells......
Without even a hint of shame, they want for us to enjoy the destruction of our culture, our identity, and our way of life - all the things that make us us. It is their belief that they know what is best for us and that the fundamental, inalienable rights recognized by our fathers before us stand in the way of their social experiment, which includes, apparently, displacing us.
The party seems to be promoted mostly by White Nationalists. This might be something to keep an eye on.
| 1074 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:06:29am |
re: #1068 VegasRick
Are you the one with the flowery dress?
[Link: www.gifbin.com...]
Gee, Obama voters.......
| 1075 |
axegrinder Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:06:45am |
re: #1023 HoosierHoops
You know what is funny? I have a nickname that I have been called all my life..
I should have registered but then I'd be recognized worldwide!
LOL....
*wink*
The Hick From French Lick? Say it ain't so!
| 1076 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:07:19am |
re: #1051 albusteve
Yeah, I think there was a show on Nat Geo about that guy.
It's really pretty amazing when you consider the number of people (including women, of course) who must have gotten into those little vessels and set off for the edge of the world. What incredible faith (in something) they must have had.
| 1077 |
Kenneth Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:07:38am |
re: #1029 iceweasel
In Canada the current official terms used are "First Nations" or "Aboriginal people". Of course, the people use the term "Indian" too, with a sense of irony.
| 1078 |
debutaunt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:08:56am |
re: #1076 Lincolntf
Yeah, I think there was a show on Nat Geo about that guy.
It's really pretty amazing when you consider the number of people (including women, of course) who must have gotten into those little vessels and set off for the edge of the world. What incredible faith (in something) they must have had.
Flip Wilson said they were searching for Ray Charles.
| 1079 |
bbuddha Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:08:57am |
re: #1016 jcm
I like my mossburg pump action, gives them a small warning so they can run, if they have any brains. If not, well the gene pool needs a little chlorine
| 1080 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:09:24am |
re: #1075 axegrinder
The Hick From French Lick? Say it ain't so!
LOl
No I'm a California boy.Born and raised...
I did play point in college
| 1081 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:09:27am |
re: #1068 VegasRick
Are you the one with the flowery dress?
[Link: www.gifbin.com...]
I didn't even notice anyone in a flowery dress. :(
I wear dresses and skirts, but not many with any flowers. I may be a DFH in terms of my political inclinations, but not in terms of fashion.
| 1082 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:09:31am |
re: #1056 cagney
Please understand, I don't follow sport but a few eyebrows were raised when Hoy won a MBE? Pretty bizarre
Well - after all those English sportsmen who've been decorated and even got a 'Sir' - it was the least they could do, bizarre or not.
| 1083 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:09:43am |
re: #1076 Lincolntf
Yeah, I think there was a show on Nat Geo about that guy.
It's really pretty amazing when you consider the number of people (including women, of course) who must have gotten into those little vessels and set off for the edge of the world. What incredible faith (in something) they must have had.
Or how bad things were that they'd leave......
| 1084 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:10:19am |
re: #1077 Kenneth
In Canada the current official terms used are "First Nations" or "Aboriginal people". Of course, the people use the term "Indian" too, with a sense of irony.
there you go-- peoples of the First Nations.
| 1085 |
legalpad Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:10:50am |
| 1086 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:11:09am |
re: #1055 yma o hyd
Teeheehee!
(Love that avatar, btw!)
Thankey, toots. An LGF poster, rightymouse, was kind enough to find it for me. She's da bomb! :D
Boy howdy I'm a lazy gob today. I'm not motivated to do anything of consequence especially after last week ground me up and spit me out.
Yeesh!
| 1087 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:11:48am |
re: #1081 iceweasel
I didn't even notice anyone in a flowery dress. :(
I wear dresses and skirts, but not many with any flowers. I may be a DFH in terms of my political inclinations, but not in terms of fashion.
DFH?
Drunk
Female
Hottie
?
| 1088 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:11:55am |
| 1089 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:12:21am |
re: #1076 Lincolntf
Yeah, I think there was a show on Nat Geo about that guy.
It's really pretty amazing when you consider the number of people (including women, of course) who must have gotten into those little vessels and set off for the edge of the world. What incredible faith (in something) they must have had.
polynesians were masters of holistic navigation...they understood time and space, currents, temperature, color, waves, weather...all that stuff...surly they could have paddled anywhere food and water allowed
| 1090 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:13:41am |
re: #1086 Miss Trixie
Thankey, toots. An LGF poster, rightymouse, was kind enough to find it for me. She's da bomb! :D
Boy howdy I'm a lazy gob today. I'm not motivated to do anything of consequence especially after last week ground me up and spit me out.
Yeesh!
This is the weekend - you don't have to do anything at all!
In fact - lazing about is most important for recharging one's batteries for the coming week.
So enjoy the day!
| 1091 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:13:47am |
re: #1077 Kenneth
In Canada the current official terms used are "First Nations" or "Aboriginal people". Of course, the people use the term "Indian" too, with a sense of irony.
here in NM indians don't at all mind being called indians...they don't fall for that PC shit
| 1092 |
legalpad Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:15:25am |
re: #1088 yma o hyd
Nice one!
(I bet he could do with a bit of formal obedience training!)
Your avatar dog - if he's like the border collies I have known - looks like he's saying, "where do you think you're going?" Every time I've seen one of these they escort me.
| 1093 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:15:27am |
re: #1087 VegasRick
DFH?
Drunk
Female
Hottie
?
DFH= "dirty fucking hippie", a term used all over the lefty-prog-o-sphere to sarcastically refer to ourselves, parodying the way other people had characterised all critics of the war and/or Bush.
As for your translation of what DFH might mean vis a vis me -- I plead the 5th.
| 1094 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:15:35am |
re: #1083 jcm
Weird, isn't it? They essentially left (if prevailing theory is accurate) what we would consider paradise. Islands filled with life and surrounded by abundant oceans. I suppose those islands could get crowded, but if I remember correctly, most people assume the first "discoverers" were probably shipwrecked after being diverted way off course. Then some poor sucker had to go back and tell others what they found.
| 1095 |
bbuddha Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:16:08am |
re: #1080 HoosierHoops
LOl
No I'm a California boy.Born and raised...
I did play point in college
Ok I have to ask....California boy....Hoosier?
| 1096 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:16:35am |
re: #1094 Lincolntf
Weird, isn't it? They essentially left (if prevailing theory is accurate) what we would consider paradise. Islands filled with life and surrounded by abundant oceans. I suppose those islands could get crowded, but if I remember correctly, most people assume the first "discoverers" were probably shipwrecked after being diverted way off course. Then some poor sucker had to go back and tell others what they found.
drought is the killer out there
| 1097 |
Kenneth Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:17:20am |
Alikhani's Speech in Majlis in Support of Mousavi
| 1098 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:17:54am |
Hey Y'all - sorry to be gone so long. Our "management" here thinks a "home invasion" is the same thing as a simple, no one at home, BURGLARY.
Apparently we had 4 (out of about 250) apartments where thieves came in through unlocked windows and stole CD's, DVD's and the like - no TV's or anything like that. Hit 4 apartments in four different building complexes at about the same time yesterday while we were at my dentists' office.
I explained the real meaning of HOME INVASION to 'em and they are gonna send out a new flier and we are all supposed to meet with the local PD this coming Tuesday at 6:00PM - this from a flier put on everyone's door yesterday. Anyone wanna guess when the next spate of burglaries will occur?!?
| 1099 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:18:00am |
re: #1089 albusteve
The navigation abilities of "primitive" cultures always blows my mind. Lots of smart folks around back then.
| 1100 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:18:10am |
re: #1094 Lincolntf
Weird, isn't it? They essentially left (if prevailing theory is accurate) what we would consider paradise. Islands filled with life and surrounded by abundant oceans. I suppose those islands could get crowded, but if I remember correctly, most people assume the first "discoverers" were probably shipwrecked after being diverted way off course. Then some poor sucker had to go back and tell others what they found.
But why wouldn't they leave? The urge to explore purely for exploration's sake only is quintessentially human, and arguably it only arises when a culture already has all basic needs taken care of.
Which is why America made it to the moon first, and when it did.
| 1101 |
opnion Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:18:29am |
re: #1010 VegasRick
Zero is making us the world's punching bag. I don't fucking like it.
Obama thought that with his Islamic bacground & cool that Iran would be a pieced of cake.
They are treating him as if they sense weakness & they unfortunately are correct.
| 1102 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:18:51am |
re: #1094 Lincolntf
Weird, isn't it? They essentially left (if prevailing theory is accurate) what we would consider paradise. Islands filled with life and surrounded by abundant oceans. I suppose those islands could get crowded, but if I remember correctly, most people assume the first "discoverers" were probably shipwrecked after being diverted way off course. Then some poor sucker had to go back and tell others what they found.
It's likely a combination, refugees, lost, and exploration.
My more cynical view if things are hunky dory then they tend to stay put.
| 1103 |
Miss Trixie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:19:01am |
{Hoosier} Glad to see you too and I would love to lounge by a pool aaaallllllllll day - got room for one more? :D
yma a hyd
I almost forgot to show you this - hysterical! :D
| 1104 |
VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:19:22am |
re: #1093 iceweasel
DFH= "dirty fucking hippie", a term used all over the lefty-prog-o-sphere to sarcastically refer to ourselves, parodying the way other people had characterised all critics of the war and/or Bush.
As for your translation of what DFH might mean vis a vis me -- I plead the 5th.
I could tell you were HOT by your avatar....And your nic!
/
| 1105 |
axegrinder Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:19:42am |
re: #1094 Lincolntf
Weird, isn't it? They essentially left (if prevailing theory is accurate) what we would consider paradise. Islands filled with life and surrounded by abundant oceans. I suppose those islands could get crowded, but if I remember correctly, most people assume the first "discoverers" were probably shipwrecked after being diverted way off course. Then some poor sucker had to go back and tell others what they found.
Probably escaping disease or hostile shipwrecked visitors(that brought the disease.) Or maybe it was Manifest Destiny.
| 1106 |
Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:20:14am |
re: #1095 bbuddha
Ok I have to ask....California boy....Hoosier?
I work for a silly cone company in California... We transfered out here a few years ago....I love basketball all the time...Charles has nice enough not to ban me during the season.....
Word is he was a the LA parade lifting his glass in celebration...
The Hoopster can't talk about ball for another season! He forgot about the draft...
/I am in much trouble...:)
| 1107 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:20:15am |
re: #1099 Lincolntf
The navigation abilities of "primitive" cultures always blows my mind. Lots of smart folks around back then.
Very in tune with nature and it's cycles.
Drop the average American in the wilderness and they'd hard pressed to be able to find north.
| 1108 |
KenJen Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:20:45am |
Hoops. I sent an e-mail to you. Weeee. That was fun.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:21:29am |
re: #1104 VegasRick
I could tell you were HOT by your avatar....And your nic!
/
You got me!
It IS a little warm in here. :(
/
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:21:35am |
re: #1103 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous and a *smooch* to you!
Now you know you've gone and upset yma, haven't ya?
That or she's laughing her arse off, one or the other.
How are you and Lil Miss doing today?
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axegrinder Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:21:36am |
re: #1098 realwest
Hey Y'all - sorry to be gone so long. Our "management" here thinks a "home invasion" is the same thing as a simple, no one at home, BURGLARY.
Apparently we had 4 (out of about 250) apartments where thieves came in through unlocked windows and stole CD's, DVD's and the like - no TV's or anything like that. Hit 4 apartments in four different building complexes at about the same time yesterday while we were at my dentists' office.
I explained the real meaning of HOME INVASION to 'em and they are gonna send out a new flier and we are all supposed to meet with the local PD this coming Tuesday at 6:00PM - this from a flier put on everyone's door yesterday. Anyone wanna guess when the next spate of burglaries will occur?!?
When's the next full moon? The batties come out.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:21:45am |
re: #1101 opnion
Obama thought that with his Islamic bacground & cool that Iran would be a pieced of cake.
They are treating him as if they sense weakness & they unfortunately are correct.
This is what happens when a narcissist lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:23:32am |
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:23:57am |
re: #1101 opnion
Obama thought that with his Islamic bacground & cool that Iran would be a pieced of cake.
They are treating him as if they sense weakness & they unfortunately are correct.
Bad things happen when predators sense weakness.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:24:36am |
re: #1098 realwest
Hey Y'all - sorry to be gone so long. Our "management" here thinks a "home invasion" is the same thing as a simple, no one at home, BURGLARY.
Apparently we had 4 (out of about 250) apartments where thieves came in through unlocked windows and stole CD's, DVD's and the like - no TV's or anything like that. Hit 4 apartments in four different building complexes at about the same time yesterday while we were at my dentists' office.
I explained the real meaning of HOME INVASION to 'em and they are gonna send out a new flier and we are all supposed to meet with the local PD this coming Tuesday at 6:00PM - this from a flier put on everyone's door yesterday. Anyone wanna guess when the next spate of burglaries will occur?!?
Yes, the next time the House or Senate meets.
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bbuddha Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:24:38am |
re: #1106 HoosierHoops
Aahh, my Dad is a Hoosier by birth but switched alliance to Boston when my parents moved East.
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Miss Trixie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:25:31am |
re: #1098 realwest
Hey Y'all - sorry to be gone so long. Our "management" here thinks a "home invasion" is the same thing as a simple, no one at home, BURGLARY.
Apparently we had 4 (out of about 250) apartments where thieves came in through unlocked windows and stole CD's, DVD's and the like - no TV's or anything like that. Hit 4 apartments in four different building complexes at about the same time yesterday while we were at my dentists' office.
I explained the real meaning of HOME INVASION to 'em and they are gonna send out a new flier and we are all supposed to meet with the local PD this coming Tuesday at 6:00PM - this from a flier put on everyone's door yesterday. Anyone wanna guess when the next spate of burglaries will occur?!?
I'll bite. Tuesday at 6:00 pm? :P
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:25:43am |
re: #1107 jcm
Very in tune with nature and it's cycles.
Drop the average American in the wilderness and they'd hard pressed to be able to find north.
Nah, they'd find North easily enough jcm - after all, everyone knows moss grows on the south side of rocks and trees and such, right?!?
I used to teach Land navigation (back in the day when all we had was a compass and a map, no GPS in those days) and it's SO EASY to learn, I suspect most folks would be able to find they're way out of the woods. After a while, anyway!
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:25:48am |
re: #1116 bbuddha
Aahh, my Dad is a Hoosier by birth but switched alliance to Boston when my parents moved East.
And they have send a team out to stuff him head first in a basket?
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:25:50am |
re: #1114 jcm
Bad things happen when predators sense weakness.
astonishing...he intends to reverse genetic animal behavior...wow!
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Digital Display Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:26:15am |
re: #1108 KenJen
Hoops. I sent an e-mail to you. Weeee. That was fun.
Got it! I'll email you later tonight my friend...Thanks for the ping....
You really don't want me emailing you on my Blackberry..I really suk texting....
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bbuddha Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:26:44am |
Well I've procrastinated long enough. Gardening time
...till next time...
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:27:11am |
re: #1111 axegrinder
Uh, don't know the answer to that, but I'd be looking at around 6:00PM next Tuesday if I was a burglar!
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:28:15am |
re: #1118 realwest
Nah, they'd find North easily enough jcm - after all, everyone knows moss grows on the south side of rocks and trees and such, right?!?
I used to teach Land navigation (back in the day when all we had was a compass and a map, no GPS in those days) and it's SO EASY to learn, I suspect most folks would be able to find they're way out of the woods. After a while, anyway!
We get "experienced" hikers lost all the time around here, ask Dustoff he's local SAR. Their gps and cell phones die......
Had one a couple of years ago, smart enough to follow a stream down hill. But when they found her she was dehydrated.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:28:28am |
re: #1115 Walter L. Newton
ROTFLMAO! Regrettably you're correct.
Sigh.
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Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:28:34am |
re: #1118 realwest
Ugh. Land Nav.
Back in the day, the Army plopped me and three idiots into the middle of an Oklahoma prairie where there wasn't a single geographical feature in sight. One of the longest days ever.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:29:37am |
re: #1117 Miss Trixie
I'll bite. Tuesday at 6:00 pm? :P
AH-HA! I always knew you had a criminal mind! LOL!
and please, NO BITING!
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Miss Trixie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:30:15am |
re: #1110 realwest
Hey there gorgeous and a *smooch* to you!
Now you know you've gone and upset yma, haven't ya?
That or she's laughing her arse off, one or the other.
How are you and Lil Miss doing today?
We're just fine, luv, thanks for asking. I became concerned when I read about your tooth troubles and your lack of sleep. Oy! Perhaps a nice afternoon nap will set you to rights? {realwest}
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:30:33am |
re: #1092 legalpad
Your avatar dog - if he's like the border collies I have known - looks like he's saying, "where do you think you're going?" Every time I've seen one of these they escort me.
Its a 'she' - now titled 'Madame' by me, because of her advanced age (12).
Yes, Border Collies do indeed ask, and let you know their mind in unmistakable fashion, through their mimic and body language.
And while they love he formal obedience training - out in informal settings, they decide for themselves!
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:31:02am |
re: #1126 Lincolntf
Ugh. Land Nav.
Back in the day, the Army plopped me and three idiots into the middle of an Oklahoma prairie where there wasn't a single geographical feature in sight. One of the longest days ever.
Walk till you find a fence, turn right..........
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:31:10am |
re: #1122 bbuddha
Have fun with your gardening - I hear that a cold beer helps a lot with the concentration required for that work!
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Kenneth Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:32:21am |
"We are surprised at Mr. Obama," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in remarks to judiciary officials broadcast on state television. "Didn't he say that he was after change? Why did he interfere?""They keep saying that they want to hold talks with Iran ... but is this the correct way? Definitely, they have made a mistake," Ahmadinejad said.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:32:32am |
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Miss Trixie Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:32:43am |
re: #1127 realwest
AH-HA! I always knew you had a criminal mind! LOL!
and please, NO BITING!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You crack me up! :D
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axegrinder Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:32:58am |
re: #1124 jcm
We get "experienced" hikers lost all the time around here, ask Dustoff he's local SAR. Their gps and cell phones die......
Had one a couple of years ago, smart enough to follow a stream down hill. But when they found her she was dehydrated.
Fear of giardia. Used to carry a small vial of iodine and put two drops in the canteen after filling with running stream water. Shake and cap.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:34:51am |
re: #1124 jcm Well normally I'd laugh about cellphones and GPS devices "dying" on folks, but really, I'm afraid we've raised a generation of folks who'd be in a whole world of hurt if the electricity or battery power went out. Couldn't even do simple math, much less read a topographical map!
But at least THAT hiker was smart enough to follow the river.
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avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:35:38am |
re: #1050 VegasRick
Not to worry! Avanti says that they will all be here in 6 months!
ULTRA/////////
Actually, I said nothing of the sort. I said job growth does not start for six months after a recovery, and that would be the end of the year. It will start then, but it may be 2-4 years to recover to pre recession levels.
That is a historical, not a political trend.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:36:10am |
re: #1136 realwest
Well normally I'd laugh about cellphones and GPS devices "dying" on folks, but really, I'm afraid we've raised a generation of folks who'd be in a whole world of hurt if the electricity or battery power went out. Couldn't even do simple math, much less read a topographical map!
But at least THAT hiker was smart enough to follow the river.
my hair dryer has state of the art lithium batteries...good for two weeks on the trail....gotta be prepared
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:36:45am |
re: #1126 Lincolntf
Whoa - who the hell did you piss off?! Didn't they at least give you a map and a compass? Or at least a compass OR a map?!
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:37:13am |
re: #1135 axegrinder
Fear of giardia. Used to carry a small vial of iodine and put two drops in the canteen after filling with running stream water. Shake and cap.
Yep, I carry a filter.....
To me "experienced" plans for he unexpected, first with maps and compass the knowledge to use them so you don't get lost, then emergency equipment and plans if something does happen.
And since rescues cost a bundle, rescue insurance.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:37:42am |
re: #1137 avanti
Actually, I said nothing of the sort. I said job growth does not start for six months after a recovery, and that would be the end of the year. It will start then, but it may be 2-4 years to recover to pre recession levels.
That is a historical, not a political trend.
double standard?....hilarious!
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blackpajamas Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:37:55am |
re: #1138 albusteve
Al Gore's hair dryer is hurricane powered.
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opnion Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:39:04am |
re: #1112 MandyManners
This is what happens when a narcissist lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave..
Exactly right. When people do not bend to his will, he sees them as disobedient rather than his own failings.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:39:16am |
re: #1134 Miss Trixie
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You crack me up! :D
Aha, step one - get 'em laughing - complete!
Now how to get past step two, over look the looks or lack thereof?!
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:39:45am |
re: #1136 realwest
Well normally I'd laugh about cellphones and GPS devices "dying" on folks, but really, I'm afraid we've raised a generation of folks who'd be in a whole world of hurt if the electricity or battery power went out. Couldn't even do simple math, much less read a topographical map!
But at least THAT hiker was smart enough to follow the river.
A have a gps in the van for the wife, she's directionally challenged.
Hiking I'm strictly topo and compass.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:40:12am |
Howdy y'all.
re: #1118 realwest
Nah, they'd find North easily enough jcm - after all, everyone knows moss grows on the south side of rocks and trees and such, right?!?
I used to teach Land navigation (back in the day when all we had was a compass and a map, no GPS in those days) and it's SO EASY to learn, I suspect most folks would be able to find they're way out of the woods. After a while, anyway!
I really should do a good basic landnav course one of these days. Thanks for the reminder.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:40:47am |
re: #1135 axegrinder
Fear of giardia. Used to carry a small vial of iodine and put two drops in the canteen after filling with running stream water. Shake and cap.
Yep, or water purification pills and LOTS of Kool Aid - the real thing, not what some folks drink (casting eyes leftwards)!
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Kenneth Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:41:20am |
George Galloway endorses Ahmadinejad, tells protesters to accept the will of the people...
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Lincolntf Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:42:37am |
re: #1139 realwest
I pissed off Drill Sergeant Mickens. We had a map, a pencil and a watch. No compass and no idea where we were starting from. Took us half the day before I finally had any confidence that we knew where we were. It was also pouring most of the day which certainly didn't help.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:42:58am |
re: #1145 jcm
A have a gps in the van for the wife, she's directionally challenged.
Hiking I'm strictly topo and compass.
You rely on a talking Italian mouse for directions?
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:43:25am |
re: #1149 Kenneth
Critics agree: Galloway is a pig.
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blackpajamas Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:43:32am |
re: #1145 jcm
A have a gps in the van for the wife, she's directionally challenged.
Hiking I'm strictly topo and compass.
I have a GPS unit for the women in my life too. Sometimes to find them, sometimes to carefully navigate around them.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:44:00am |
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:44:10am |
re: #1151 Occasional Reader
You rely on a talking Italian mouse for directions?
I find the linguini every time!
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:44:58am |
re: #1143 opnion
Exactly right. When people do not bend to his will, he sees them as disobedient rather than his own failings.
be interesting to see how his talks with S Korea turn out...I can only imagine
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legalpad Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:45:38am |
re: #1149 Kenneth
Galloway and his usual strawmen. He talked about "the will of the people". That's the entire point of the protestors. It's not.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:46:07am |
re: #1156 albusteve
be interesting to see how his talks with S Korea turn out...I can only imagine
the results I meant
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:46:18am |
re: #1147 Occasional Reader
Howdy y'all.
I really should do a good basic landnav course one of these days. Thanks for the reminder.
Yes indeed you should! Much better than relying on a GPS. Uh, but if y'all do take that course and get a really good compass (believe it or not, the kind the Army used to issue 30+ years ago is quite good) and thne go hiking (one of life's true pleasures) please make sure that you have a waterproof map!
Just a suggestion.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:46:46am |
Iran shootiing from helicopters - Government controls cell phone system - Internet down.
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avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:46:56am |
re: #1093 iceweasel
DFH= "dirty fucking hippie", a term used all over the lefty-prog-o-sphere to sarcastically refer to ourselves, parodying the way other people had characterised all critics of the war and/or Bush.
As for your translation of what DFH might mean vis a vis me -- I plead the 5th.
One of my best liberal Studebaker friends was a poster boy 60's hippie. If it felt good he did it, now, still single in his 40's he's the west coast distributor for a major product, a millionaire with lot of toys including a Mig fighter, lots of cars and bikes. At a business meeting, he's a conservative businessman, but still the hippie at home.
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cagney Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:47:19am |
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:47:21am |
re: #1161 NJDhockeyfan
Iran shootiing from helicopters - Government controls cell phone system - Internet down.
[Video]
Thank God, for the 2nd.
Prayers for Iran.
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VegasRick Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:48:21am |
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:48:59am |
re: #1149 Kenneth
Good afternoon Kenneth! Hope you and yours are well today.
Ya know, George Galloway doesn't get enough credit. Really. It's hard to find a politician who, once bought, stays with the one who paid him off in the first place!
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:49:27am |
re: #1148 realwest
Yep, or water purification pills and LOTS of Kool Aid - the real thing, not what some folks drink (casting eyes leftwards)!
They make some pretty nifty water purication stuff these days. Check out Steripen, and Lifesaver bottle.
| 1168 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:49:29am |
re: #1164 jcm
Thank God, for the 2nd.
Prayers for Iran.
Did you see this comment?
"We have a female source in Iran who is updating us every day"
"We're trying to keep her anonymous"
"We have her husband on the phone from Holland"
"Poyan, what is the situation?"
Seriously, CNN? Did you just tell them that the woman they're looking for is married to a man in Holland named "Poyan?" Why didn't you just say her name and give her address?CNN just killed their source.
| 1170 |
Kenneth Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:52:02am |
re: #1166 realwest
hello! I hope you're feeling fine today.
Galloway really should be keel hauled. No more loathsome man exists in the UK.
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:52:16am |
re: #1168 NJDhockeyfan
F'n morons.
*spit*
They shouldn't do anything live, tape, check it, edit it to protect sources.
With things like this, opps, get people killed.
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albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:53:34am |
re: #1167 Occasional Reader
They make some pretty nifty water purication stuff these days. Check out Steripen, and Lifesaver bottle.
check out these little guys...
[Link: www.campingsurvival.com...]
| 1173 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:54:14am |
re: #1162 avanti
, a millionaire with lot of toys including a Mig fighter, .
Is it a MiG-17, by any chance?
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:54:34am |
re: #1161 NJDhockeyfan
That's extremely troubling if true. But right now I'm sorta suspending my belief in information supposedly sent by "dissidents" in Iran.
BTW - DUE to several e-mail requests, I'm adding the Iranian dissidents to The LGF List.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:54:41am |
Mornin' folks.
If someone from the outside was doing to the US economy what obambi and pelousi are doing, we'd consider it an act of war.
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avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:55:31am |
re: #1173 Occasional Reader
Is it a MiG-17, by any chance?
I believe it is, he bought it from one of the eastern block countries.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:56:49am |
re: #1177 avanti
There's a few of those rich toys floating around now. Maintenance has got to be a bitch though. Spare parts and such.
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:58:04am |
re: #1177 avanti
I believe it is, he bought it from one of the eastern block countries.
A friend of mine saw your friend's toy (probably) at a recent air show in Colorado.
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jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:58:18am |
re: #1178 pingjockey
There's a few of those rich toys floating around now. Maintenance has got to be a bitch though. Spare parts and such.
I know a couple of them are re-powered, airframe only, to avoid just that.
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blackpajamas Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:58:22am |
re: #1175 pingjockey
Mornin' folks.
If someone from the outside was doing to the US economy what obambi and pelousi are doing, we'd consider it an act of war.
Ah, someone spoke the magic words ...
*must, fight, for, control, loosing grip*
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:59:02am |
re: #1162 avanti
One of my best liberal Studebaker friends was a poster boy 60's hippie. If it felt good he did it, now, still single in his 40's he's the west coast distributor for a major product, a millionaire with lot of toys including a Mig fighter, lots of cars and bikes. At a business meeting, he's a conservative businessman, but still the hippie at home.
But if he's in his 40's now, how could he have been a 60's ish poster boy hippie?
Sounds like a baby boomer type though.
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realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:00:06am |
re: #1172 albusteve
That flint, steel and magnesium fire starter kit would come in mighty handy, too!
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:00:21am |
Amature Video Angry Ex Pats Storm Iranian Embassy In Sweden
Demonstrators attack Iranian Embassy security personnel on the Embassy's grounds, outside Stockholm, the Swedish capital Friday June 26, 2006. About 150 protesters, some masked, rushed the embassy gates.
From the source; "embassy personal used som kind of electronic weapons (tasers) iron batons knives against demonstrator. One person were taken to hospital due to knife stab from embassy perso More..nal another because of heart attack due to tumult outside the fence. They were all armed from the embassy and really violent. The demonstrators smashed windows of cars and smashed some windows and tried to defend themselves against the heavily armed, embassy personal who didn´t even hesitate of using them against people. You can see clearly a personel from embassy wearing white hit the demonstrators with baton in red shirt at 01:10"
news excerpt; Angry demonstrators broke into the Iranian Embassy outside Stockholm on Friday, climbing in through shattered windows and injuring one embassy worker, police said.More than 150 people had gathered outside the embassy to protest against the Iranian regime, when some of them attacked the building with rocks and tore down a fence to enter the embassy grounds, police spokesman Ulf Hoglund said.
"A few managed to climb through broken windows into the building," Hoglund said. He said one member of the embassy staff was injured inside the building, but didn't know how seriously.
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blackpajamas Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:01:19am |
______Owed To Government Turds______
Thou shrill self polished knaves of hubris!
Thou poster-child of dullness and slow mind,
Revisionist historians, who wounds our best
Spewing tax-pork plauges from man to swine:
What O-ringed brigand flaunts about thy state
With prescriptions for mortals, or of both,
Sick chamber's sweet deals of infirmary?
Whose kept Baboons are these? Whose uncaged oafs?
Whose ill pursuits? Whose bedpans to change?
Whose crime spree lobbies? Whose baksheesh gets paid?
Assured remedies seem sweet, but free choice
Is cheaper; Thus, ye O-cultist fools, pay on;
Not to consentual care, but engineered
Gropes to exposed wallets loins and groan:
Scarred Youth, beneath the fees, forced to receive
Thy plan, nor ever can those fees repair;
Old codgers, never, never canst thou miss,
State imposed prescriptions ill conceived;
Fevers wont fade, though their needles insist,
For up posterior wilt thou pay, and despair!
Ah, happy, happy clowns! that sure can drop
Your shorts, and even try to castrate you;
And, happy populace, unworried,
From ever preventing nasty flu;
More happy love! taxable, happy love!
Deductable and still to be enjoyed,
For ever panting and for ever young;
All breathing human passion far above,
That leaves a tax bill-sorrowful and cloyed,
A burning foreskin, and a swollen bum.
Who are these coming to the sacrifice?
To what green altar, O mysterious priest,
Lead'st blind tax payers lowing at the skies,
And all their Barney'ed Franks, paiges undrest?
What hospital by river or sea-shore,
Or rest home-built with peaceful citadel,
Is emptied of its gold, this pious morn?
And, hospital, thy rooms for evermore
Will crowded be; and not a bed to sell
While thou art desolate, and get spurned.
Geriatric shape! Fat and rude! with brede
Of straw men and burdens overbought,
With clawing branches and the smoking weed;
Thou, taxing forms, costs squeeze us out of thought
Into eternity: Astronomical!
When middle age shall this legislation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, no friend to man, to whom thou sayst,
"Bureaucracy is health, health bureaucracy," -that's all
You'll know on earth, and all you'll need to know.
//good mornin' all!
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:01:36am |
re: #1172 albusteve
check out these little guys...
[Link: www.campingsurvival.com...]
Intriguing.... but this looks a little discouraging.
| 1189 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:01:37am |
re: #1185 NJDhockeyfan
That's a very cool location for an embassy. Looks like they have their own lake. Nice.
| 1190 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:01:40am |
re: #1176 pingjockey
Well BOO right back atcha! Good to see you out here ping. I'll go check e-mail now!
| 1191 |
avanti Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:01:51am |
re: #1179 Occasional Reader
Too expensive to fly with FAA inspections and fuel costs. I may be wrong, but I recall it was running his many thousands a hour to fly.
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:02:52am |
BTW, very cool thing about Thomas Jefferson here, for fans of his
[Link: kalman.blogs.nytimes.com...]
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:02:56am |
re: #1183 iceweasel
But if he's in his 40's now, how could he have been a 60's ish poster boy hippie?
Sounds like a baby boomer type though.
Maybe he was a hippie toddler?
Tune in, turn on, go poop!
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The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:04:24am |
re: #1193 Occasional Reader
Maybe he was a hippie toddler?
Tune in, turn on, go poop!
heh. Baby go boom!
| 1195 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:05:15am |
re: #1148 realwest
Yep, or water purification pills and LOTS of Kool Aid - the real thing, not what some folks drink (casting eyes leftwards)!
The other thing to think about is: how long, realistically, will it be before I find some sign of civilization while following this stream? If it's a day or two - pretty certain almost anywhere in the US - go ahead and drink, diseases be damned. Giardiasis is curable - dehydration isn't. You'll be fine for a couple of days before the disease tosses you to the ground with the galloping trots, and you'll likely have found help before then.
If it looks like things may take longer...well, severe dehydration will slam you down just as hard in about the same amount of time.
| 1196 |
pingjockey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:05:43am |
Have heads at Dkos and Huffpoo started 'splodin' yet? Apparently the messiah is talking about indeterminate lockups for terrorists. Mwahaha! The ACLU is of course having conniptions. I say let the Gitmo detainees go...as long as they are housed with an ACLU lawyer, Bill Ayres, Rahm Emanuel, etc...
| 1197 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:08:24am |
re: #1195 SixDegrees
The other thing to think about is: how long, realistically, will it be before I find some sign of civilization while following this stream? If it's a day or two - pretty certain almost anywhere in the US - go ahead and drink, diseases be damned. Giardiasis is curable - dehydration isn't. You'll be fine for a couple of days before the disease tosses you to the ground with the galloping trots, and you'll likely have found help before then.
If it looks like things may take longer...well, severe dehydration will slam you down just as hard in about the same amount of time.
Ding, this particular gal got lost a few miles off of I-90 running through the Cascades. She was literally, the whole time 3 or 4 days she was lost, no more than 6 or 7 miles from a small community with gas stations, restaurants.... phones.
| 1199 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:10:56am |
And of course, the greatest attention whore of all time drops on the Jackson story and it's spotlight like a truckload of human turds.
Yes, folks - Jesse Jackson needs attention, and he needs it now.
| 1200 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:11:09am |
| 1201 |
pingjockey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:11:13am |
re: #1197 jcm
I remember that. You know where I live and the people that get lost over here is amazing. Unless you are way the hell up in the North Cascades, there is no way you should get that lost. Drives the SAR guys nuts.
| 1202 |
pingjockey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:11:48am |
re: #1198 realwest
Okay. I'll catch it later, if that's ok?
| 1204 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:12:56am |
re: #1197 jcm
Ding, this particular gal got lost a few miles off of I-90 running through the Cascades. She was literally, the whole time 3 or 4 days she was lost, no more than 6 or 7 miles from a small community with gas stations, restaurants.... phones.
Out near my neck of the woods, the real threat in those situations is the Blair Witch.
| 1205 |
SixDegrees Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:13:53am |
re: #1200 albusteve
nice...use it and you die....SURVIVAL!...oh well, I don't own one but I like the very smallest gadgets
I'm too lazy to look it up, but there's a small electronic device that exposes water to UV light and kills pretty much everything in it. It's been favorably reviewed, with the caveat that you're limited by battery life.
Iodine, or those A/B chlorine drops, are super lightweight and very reliable - as long as you remember to take them with you.
| 1206 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:14:16am |
re: #1199 SixDegrees
And of course, the greatest attention whore of all time drops on the Jackson story and it's spotlight like a truckload of human turds.
Yes, folks - Jesse Jackson needs attention, and he needs it now.
It's good to see that Jesse is once again at the forefront of the struggle for civil rights.
/
| 1207 |
jcm Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:15:09am |
re: #1201 pingjockey
I remember that. You know where I live and the people that get lost over here is amazing. Unless you are way the hell up in the North Cascades, there is no way you should get that lost. Drives the SAR guys nuts.
City slickers, looking for a Starbucks and wifi.......
| 1208 |
sngnsgt Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:15:33am |
As a person with Epilepsy on disability, I wonder what Obama-care is going to do to my usually hour-long wait to see my Neuro just for a med refill? 9 times out of 10 my Neuro just writes the same script for the same dosage but disability tells me I have to have an office visit to approve the continuation of my current meds at the current dosage. I wonder what Obama-care is going to do to my wait now?
| 1209 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:15:52am |
re: #1197 jcm
Ding, this particular gal got lost a few miles off of I-90 running through the Cascades. She was literally, the whole time 3 or 4 days she was lost, no more than 6 or 7 miles from a small community with gas stations, restaurants.... phones.
I was lost in CO for over two long overcast days in pretty steep terrain....I was not too worried but my ego suffered...I finally came down a very steep incline to a road and within minutes a truck picked me up...I was just a couple of miles from Steamboat!....haha!...whatever
| 1210 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:16:15am |
re: #1205 SixDegrees
I'm too lazy to look it up, but there's a small electronic device that exposes water to UV light and kills pretty much everything in it. It's been favorably reviewed, with the caveat that you're limited by battery life.
Steripen... see my link a little upthread. I have one, and did a little research on it. They apparently work REALLY well at killin' bad stuff; exceeds milspec comfortably, even in turbid water. Downsides are, as you said, battery dependency; and, as with anything that isn't a filter, it won't take out bad chemicals, lead, etc.
| 1211 |
albusteve Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:18:05am |
re: #1205 SixDegrees
I'm too lazy to look it up, but there's a small electronic device that exposes water to UV light and kills pretty much everything in it. It's been favorably reviewed, with the caveat that you're limited by battery life.
Iodine, or those A/B chlorine drops, are super lightweight and very reliable - as long as you remember to take them with you.
ha!...just saw that surfing around...and forgetting anything for hiking is unthinkable...jus sayin
| 1212 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:18:40am |
re: #1192 iceweasel
Thanks for that iceweasal! If you have the time, go to Afrocity's blog "Autographed Letter, Signed" at
[Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...] and go to "pages" she had a wonderful thread about her travel to Monticello and the comments were, ah, lively!
| 1214 |
realwest Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:21:02am |
re: #1202 pingjockey
No problem my friend - whenever you can get around to it - but if possible sometime today!
| 1215 |
pingjockey Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:23:40am |
re: #1214 realwest
Heh. Already did! Figured why wait! It's just I am running a little slow today. Managed to get through work yesterday with no pain meds, but boy howdy! My neck was hurting by 5pm! Better now!
| 1216 |
LGoPs Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:27:05am |
re: #1195 SixDegrees
The other thing to think about is: how long, realistically, will it be before I find some sign of civilization while following this stream? If it's a day or two - pretty certain almost anywhere in the US - go ahead and drink, diseases be damned. Giardiasis is curable - dehydration isn't. You'll be fine for a couple of days before the disease tosses you to the ground with the galloping trots, and you'll likely have found help before then.
If it looks like things may take longer...well, severe dehydration will slam you down just as hard in about the same amount of time.
I live in Los Angeles and there are large swaths of territory where I've yet to find any sign of civilization.......
/ :)
| 1217 |
The Left Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:30:52am |
re: #1212 realwest
Thanks for that iceweasal! If you have the time, go to Afrocity's blog "Autographed Letter, Signed" at
[Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...] and go to "pages" she had a wonderful thread about her travel to Monticello and the comments were, ah, lively!
Oh thank you! I've bookmarked it-- I have to confess Thomas Jefferson is one of my major heroes. I can't wait to check this out-- thanks again!
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MarineMomSue Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:39:17am |
re: #1208 sngnsgt
As a person with Epilepsy on disability, I wonder what Obama-care is going to do to my usually hour-long wait to see my Neuro just for a med refill? 9 times out of 10 my Neuro just writes the same script for the same dosage but disability tells me I have to have an office visit to approve the continuation of my current meds at the current dosage. I wonder what Obama-care is going to do to my wait now?
I'd be less worried about wait-time and more concerned about IF I'd still be able to get the needed RX.
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