Video: Bachmann Too Loopy for Beck?

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Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) goes on the Glenn Beck Comedy Hour, and repeats her contention that the government might use census data to round people up and put them in internment camps.

Beck closes his eyes and shakes his head when she says this, and almost immediately cuts her off — but I can’t tell if he was actually taken aback, or if he was coming up on a hard break. It’s not too different from the stuff Beck himself serves up on a regular basis, so I don’t know why he would have objected.

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Bachmann: Here’s the other thing that will happen. From history, the United States government between 1942 and 1947 passed the second War Powers Act … they used the US census information to round up the Japanese and put them in the internment camps.

Beck: [closes eyes, shakes head] OK…

Bachmann: Americans were told that they wouldn’t have their information used against them … they did.

Beck: OK, uh, thank you very much.

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303 comments
1 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:58:31am

DOANT POAK TEH KRAZEE!

2 SixDegrees  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:58:40am

I need to go wash myself after reading this.

3 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 11:58:54am

Keep in mind that this nutburger is an elected member of the US House of Representatives.
Conspiracy theories seem to be taking over the world. Indeed, they are the whole cultural underpinning for despots like Chavez and Ahmedinejad. Are we headed the same way? Is the world headed for a showdown between rival brands of paranoid lunacy? Stay tuned.

4 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:00pm

The Glenn Beck Comedy Hour - heh. Very good!

5 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:40pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Keep in mind that this nutburger is an elected member of the US House of Representatives.
Conspiracy theories seem to be taking over the world. Indeed, they are the whole cultural underpinning for despots like Chavez and Ahmedinejad. Are we headed the same way? Is the world headed for a showdown between rival brands of paranoid lunacy? Stay tuned.

At least it’s nothing new. Remember Cynthia McKinney?

6 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:00:50pm

get her to show us her birth certificate

7 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:01:51pm

She was on his radio show and after the interview, he criticized her for not answering direct questions. Typical politician, I don’t care the party affiliation.

8 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:01:56pm

We’re going to camp!

Yippee!

Let me get my swim trunks!

9 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:01pm

Certain science fiction writers foresaw a world of ever-decreasing intelligence, Cyril Kornbluth’s classic The Marching Morons being the best known.
I can’t remember right off hand if anyone wrote about a world dominated by paranoid commercial fantasies, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Does anyone know of an example?

10 Racer X  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:02:07pm

“Are you classified as human?”

“Negative, I am a meat popsicle.”

11 ErnieG  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:04:12pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Keep in mind that this nutburger is an elected member of the US House of Representatives.


“Reader, suppose that you are an idiot. And suppose that you are a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.”

- Mark Twain

12 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:04:48pm

re: #8 jcm

We’re going to camp!

Yippee!

Let me get my swim trunks!

Unfortunately, it’sProgressive Summer Camp (posted earlier by researchok)

13 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:05:55pm

Pelosi passes an economic suicide bill by a single vote, in the name of climate change, and then jets off back to California for the 4th of July, nevermind that it’s still June.

/these people are totally out of control

14 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:06:02pm

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

Unfortunately, it’sProgressive Summer Camp (posted earlier by researchok)

LOL!

You mean no nudist camp across the lake?

Dang!

15 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:06:37pm

I interpreted him as agreeing with her here and shaking his head at the Feds. disgusted by the info she was saying but agreeing with her. This is the only time I listen to Beck though so I am not up on his nuance.

16 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:06:37pm

Bachmann: “There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel prizes, who believe in intelligent design.”

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17 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:07:36pm

re: #13 Killian Bundy

Pelosi passes an economic suicide bill by a single vote, in the name of climate change, and then jets off back to California for the 4th of July, nevermind that it’s still June.

/these people are totally out of control

Commercial or a SAM 89th Air Win C-32?

18 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:07:51pm

I try to avoid listening to Rep. Bachmann because she is almost a wild-eyed lunatic, imho, on almost every damn issue. Even on issues I might at least agree with some of what she says, I want to change my mind after listening to her.

If it were my show, I would not want her on unless I planned to devil’s advocate her or have an opposing person to hand her her hat.

19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:08:28pm

Beck says he’s doesn’t want to fill it out either but he’s afraid they’ll take away his guns. The only reason he cut her off is because they had to take a break to sell boner pills and detergent.

20 songbird  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:08:47pm

Nut job, or no, a lot of people are concerned about the intrusiveness of the census questions.

Many are very concerned that the White House has taken over what is supposed to be a Department of Commerce job.

Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution provides for an “actual enumeration” and a statute passed by Congress provides that the duties under this clause are to be performed by the secretary of commerce.

I wish there were some investigation into Obama’s decision to have the staff of his choosing to do the census.

21 gman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:09:02pm

This is the same wacko that was hiding behind the bushes at a gay rally.

22 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:09:15pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Beck says he’s doesn’t want to fill it out either but he’s afraid they’ll take away his guns. The only reason he cut her off is because they had to take a break to sell boner pills and detergent.

I’m going to agree with you there, it was a cut off due to commercial break

23 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:09:19pm

re: #17 jcm

Commercial or a SAM 89th Air Win C-32?

/Pelosi flying commercial?

24 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:09:41pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Beck says he’s doesn’t want to fill it out either but he’s afraid they’ll take away his guns. The only reason he cut her off is because they had to take a break to sell boner pills and detergent.

Don’t forget the Scooter Store. That’s one of the things that makes me not watch much TV - commercials.

25 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:10:02pm

What’s in the food up there? Some bad muskrat meat?

26 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:10:03pm

re: #16 Charles

Bachmann: “There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel prizes, who believe in intelligent design.”


[Video]

The Crazy is strong with this one……

27 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:11:26pm

re: #24 catttt

Don’t forget the Scooter Store. That’s one of the things that makes me not watch much TV - commercials.

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/don’t fear your TV

28 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:12:03pm

re: #25 poteen

What’s in the food up there? Some bad muskrat meat?

When pickled beets are proffered as appetizers, you know it can’t be good…

29 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:12:07pm

re: #5 capitalist piglet

At least it’s nothing new. Remember Cynthia McKinney?

And, Maxine Waters who wants to socialized the oil industry!

30 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:12:24pm

re: #27 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/don’t fear your TV

I think it’s cool that people can get around on those things, but it still makes me snap the TV off or change to the weather channel for a while.

31 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:12:59pm

Beck has standards? Who knew?

32 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #18 catttt

I try to avoid listening to Rep. Bachmann because she is almost a wild-eyed lunatic, imho, on almost every damn issue. Even on issues I might at least agree with some of what she says, I want to change my mind after listening to her.

If it were my show, I would not want her on unless I planned to devil’s advocate her or have an opposing person to hand her her hat.

Yep, if I were a lefty shill like Alan “Strawman” Colmes, I would have her on as often as possible. I would feed her softball questions and let her rave. I would make her national poster kook for the hard right.

Maybe something like that is happening now.

33 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:14:13pm

re: #23 Killian Bundy

/Pelosi flying commercial?

Quick check C-32 (757) 800 gph. Coast to coast 5 hours. 4000 gallons.

Pelosi + how many? Let’s be generous, and say 20 total. 200 gallons per person.

Commercial 757 partial load 200 people. 20 gallons per person.

Saving the planet, one face lift at a time.

34 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:14:30pm

re: #20 songbird

Be very wary of the Libertarian fundamentalist interpretations of the constitution. I know this stuff is gaining popularity but it’s only going to lead to more craziness.

35 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:14:35pm

I’ve seen the Scooter Store commercials. With one of those I can go to the Statue of Liberty AND the Grand Canyon.
/

36 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:14:43pm

re: #29 MandyManners

And, Maxine Waters who wants to socialized the oil industry!

I think Rep. Waters tries to argue like a Clarence Darrow with the actual ability of, say, a Dagwood Bumstead. However, she bravely soldiers on even when she trips over her tongue - repeatedly.

37 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:14:57pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Beck says he’s doesn’t want to fill it out either but he’s afraid they’ll take away his guns. The only reason he cut her off is because they had to take a break to sell boner pills and detergent.

Yeah, I think the ‘hard break’ explanation is more likely. He starts cutting her off right before — says “OK, real quick…”

38 Lynn B.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:15:12pm

I vote for hard break. He tried to cut her off before she got into the internment thing and told her she had to make it quick.

Both nuts.

39 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:15:14pm

re: #28 Thanos

When pickled beets are proffered as appetizers, you know it can’t be good…

Maybe it’s the food in Washington.

40 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:00pm

re: #30 catttt

I think it’s cool that people can get around on those things, but it still makes me snap the TV off or change to the weather channel for a while.

/but Obama comes to you through your TV, he’s TV people

41 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:34pm

By the way, if you don’t fill out the census, the main thing you’ll accomplish is to cut yourself out of government programs and services.

42 songbird  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:16:44pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Be very wary of the Libertarian fundamentalist interpretations of the constitution. I know this stuff is gaining popularity but it’s only going to lead to more craziness.

I am wary, but it does seem that the Obama administration and the left progressives are treating the nation and our constitution like clay to shape in their image.

43 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:17:27pm

re: #39 poteen

Maybe it’s the food in Washington.

Whatever it is, it’s not the food. She was crazy even when she lived in Oklahoma, which is close enough to Texas to have decent grub.

44 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:17:37pm

He didn’t seemed bothered by her comments, but it’s possible. He seemed rushed to get to his break.

45 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:19:01pm

re: #41 Charles

By the way, if you don’t fill out the census, the main thing you’ll accomplish is to cut yourself out of government programs and services.


The government will turn down someone who needs food stamps if she refuses to fill out the census forms?

46 BignJames  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:19:57pm

re: #28 Thanos

When pickled beets are proffered as appetizers, you know it can’t be good…

Yum….ranks right up ther with liver, for me.

47 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:01pm

re: #45 MandyManners

The government will turn down someone who needs food stamps if she refuses to fill out the census forms?

No - I mean that your areas will be under-represented in the count, which could affect a lot of government services if enough people do it.

48 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:27pm

re: #45 MandyManners

No but the census is how they figure out highway funds, police/fire department funding, school funding, etc.

49 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:44pm

re: #40 Killian Bundy

/but Obama comes to you through your TV, he’s TV people

Unfortunately - no, wait - fortunately, I’m not TV people. :D When I find out about some show I should watch (say a friend tips me off to True Blood or I find out AI is good this year), I watch it on my comp.

I stopped listening to President O’s speeches, because they took me back to junior high, when I was a debating champ (not bragging). I kept wanting my turn.

50 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:20:53pm

For Pete’s sake. The last census they door knocked too, and no one used the census information to round up anyone after 9/11. I filled out my form, and they still knocked and asked if I’d sent it in. Then they asked about my neighbor because they didn’t know, and he didn’t answer the door, but they weren’t interested in me telling them his statistics when I offered. They said they had to confirm with him. Bachmann comes off as paranoid in video spouting this stuff.

51 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:22:50pm

re: #42 songbird

I am wary, but it does seem that the Obama administration and the left progressives are treating the nation and our constitution like clay to shape in their image.


Not any more than Bush or any other president. If there are serious constitutional question then the courts will take it up. There’s no need for alarm. We have a system of checks and balances that still works despite what the nuts say.

52 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:23:16pm

Glenn Beck said that America needed to heed the warning of OBL. He said no one would believe it until they saw blood in the streets of NYC. He said this on his radio show in….1998.

53 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:23:54pm

re: #41 Charles

By the way, if you don’t fill out the census, the main thing you’ll accomplish is to cut yourself out of government programs and services.

If my mom’s parents hadn’t taken part in the census, my mom’s birth and her older sister’s birth would never have been recorded. There was no birth certificate - she was born in Choctaw Nation - but I found them online from census data.

54 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:01pm

The Texans are revolting!
Texas Nationalist Movement on Cap And Trade

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55 Lynn B.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:21pm

re: #16 Charles

Bachmann: “There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel prizes, who believe in intelligent design.”

Here’s someone who found … four.

[Link: 74.125.47.132…]

56 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:24:48pm

re: #41 Charles

By the way, if you don’t fill out the census, the main thing you’ll accomplish is to cut yourself out of government programs and services.

Services which belong at the local, not federal level.

Services which the congresscritters use to buy votes.

Services which like Social Security and the rest are a ponzi scheme.

The census is for apportioning congressional districts, members of congress a number which has been frozen since ‘35, and electoral votes. It’s morphed into a political gerrymander charade to ensure the two party money cult always has dependents who will vote for them and goodies to buy the votes.

Boycotting the census won’t matter in the long run, but every time a citizen says enough, it something.

57 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:25:15pm

Btw, one Elwyn Tinklenberg had the dubious distinction of losing to her in the 2008 election. The guy who represented Jesse Ventura’s nutty Independence Party , John Binowski, got fully 10% of the vote.

58 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:25:33pm

re: #41 Charles

By the way, if you don’t fill out the census, the main thing you’ll accomplish is to cut yourself out of government programs and services.

Hmmn, so if the congresswoman convinces enough people in Minnesota to not comply with the census, Minnesota could lose a seat - namely hers.

59 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:26:10pm

re: #56 jcm

Services which belong at the local, not federal level.

Services which the congresscritters use to buy votes.

Services which like Social Security and the rest are a ponzi scheme.

The census is for apportioning congressional districts, members of congress a number which has been frozen since ‘35, and electoral votes. It’s morphed into a political gerrymander charade to ensure the two party money cult always has dependents who will vote for them and goodies to buy the votes.

Boycotting the census won’t matter in the long run, but every time a citizen says enough, it something.

Services when appropriate have nothing to with race, gender, or how many toilets one has. Services which serve the general good, serve everyone.

60 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:26:36pm

As a TV producer myself, and a watcher of all 3 news channels, I am familiar with Beck’s circus act. I have said on more than one occasion that Roger Ailes needs to keep Beck on a shorter leash or his entire news network will have its credibility tainted. And I have noticed that in the past 2-3 weeks, Beck has dialed back the craziness a bit. When he does that, he is much more watchable because he ALWAYS did some things I was OK with. For instance, his muckraking on ACORN has been better than anyone else in the national media. So I am giving Beck the benefit of the doubt on this one. And I hope he continues to demonstrate the more sober approach that he has recently shown.

61 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:26:53pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Not any more than Bush or any other president. If there are serious constitutional question then the courts will take it up. There’s no need for alarm. We have a system of checks and balances that still works despite what the nuts say.

I agree. Any flaws can be corrected with reform, but these people want revolution. Like mending a cut finger by amputating your hand. In a year and a half, we’ll be able to alter Congress, and they have a bigger role in these issues than 0bama.

62 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:27:19pm

My name is Michelle Bachman
And I’m here to warn you about Obama holiday camps
The camps with a difference
Never mind the weather
When you come to Obama’s
The holiday’s forever

-Apologies to The Who

63 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:27:54pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Not any more than Bush or any other president. If there are serious constitutional question then the courts will take it up. There’s no need for alarm. We have a system of checks and balances that still works despite what the nuts say.

states a municipalities are not enforcing the Heller decision…it can be a long and painful process to get full compliance with the law…meanwhile people go without their rights, clearly outlined by the SC

64 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:28:18pm

re: #45 MandyManners

The government will turn down someone who needs food stamps if she refuses to fill out the census forms?

No, but allocated money to states and municipalities are based on population counts.

65 Lynn B.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:28:28pm

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

Glenn Beck said that America needed to heed the warning of OBL. He said no one would believe it until they saw blood in the streets of NYC. He said this on his radio show in….1998.

You have a link for that?

/Other than Beck himself, of course.

66 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:29:16pm

re: #20 songbird


Many are very concerned that the White House has taken over what is supposed to be a Department of Commerce job.

I wish there were some investigation into Obama’s decision to have the staff of his choosing to do the census.


Could I get a link for the comment that the White House is choosing the census staff, that’s a new one. Last I heard, the dept of commence was running the census as usual, just reporting to the POTUS as was done before. Reporting the census is quite different from choosing the staff.

“There is historic precedent for the director of the Census, who works for the commerce secretary and the president, to work closely with White House senior management, given the number of decisions that will have to be put before the president. We plan to return to that model in this administration.”

67 Summer Seale  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:29:33pm

I have a feeling that Minnesotans must be laughing it up at the polls each time. They always seem to vote in the latest nutjob conspiracy theorist and moron to their higher offices. I can’t decide if they’re doing it as a joke, or they really believe in this crap as a whole. I am, however, willing to give them the benefit of the doubt…. =)

68 subsailor68  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:29:45pm

Afternoon all! Like most folks here, I don’t spend a great deal of time letting Beck (or any other pundit) tell me what I should think. For those who want to know what is under consideration, the official census.gov site has a pdf of the questions planned for the 2010 Census and American Community Survey. This is the doc submitted to Congress in 2007 (for consideration, etc.)

Questions Planned for the 2010 Census and ACS.

Just click the link and open the pdf.

Will all these questions end up on the Census/ACS? Don’t know.

Think I’d rather read that than take Beck or Bachmann’s word on anything.

69 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:30:11pm

This is kinda interesting…..
Question by Question Fact Sheets

If you click on each category they give an explanation of why they ask that particular question.

70 KingKenrod  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:30:22pm

re: #60 _RememberTonyC

As a TV producer myself, and a watcher of all 3 news channels, I am familiar with Beck’s circus act. I have said on more than one occasion that Roger Ailes needs to keep Beck on a shorter leash or his entire news network will have its credibility tainted. And I have noticed that in the past 2-3 weeks, Beck has dialed back the craziness a bit. When he does that, he is much more watchable because he ALWAYS did some things I was OK with. For instance, his muckraking on ACORN has been better than anyone else in the national media. So I am giving Beck the benefit of the doubt on this one. And I hope he continues to demonstrate the more sober approach that he has recently shown.

Ailes needs to find someone less crazy than Andrew Napolitano to fill in for Beck - Napolitano subbed for Beck this past week.

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:30:40pm

re: #65 Lynn B.

You have a link for that?

/Other than Beck himself, of course.


No, was a radio show

72 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:32:03pm

You know, I don’t remember anyone giving me a census form to fill out 9 yrs. ago
I guess me and my kids didn’t get counted.
Hmmm.

73 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:33:02pm

re: #67 Summer

I have a feeling that Minnesotans must be laughing it up at the polls each time. They always seem to vote in the latest nutjob conspiracy theorist and moron to their higher offices. I can’t decide if they’re doing it as a joke, or they really believe in this crap as a whole. I am, however, willing to give them the benefit of the doubt…. =)

/hey, it’s been over a month now and the Minnesota Supreme Court (I have to cut them a check Tuesday) still hasn’t crowned Senator Franken, hmmm …

74 subsailor68  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:33:40pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

This is kinda interesting…..
Question by Question Fact Sheets

If you click on each category they give an explanation of why they ask that particular question.

Good link as well. The pdf I linked to is the complete “package” - and has those explanations, but your link is probably easier to navigate if you’re interested in a specific area or question’s reason for inclusion.

75 gman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:33:47pm

Beck once admitted that he was having a difficult time debunking the FEMA Camp conspiracy theory. I think Bachmann and Beck are two birds of the same feather.

76 KingKenrod  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:34:04pm

Obama’s not going to do anything about conservatives not filling out the census. Why would he want them counted? Enforcement efforts will be in poor urban areas where bureaucrats and ACORN know how to operate.

77 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:34:15pm

President Barack Obama Thursday nominated Robert Groves, a sociology professor at the University of Michigan, to be the next director of the Census Bureau, a choice that riled some Republican lawmakers.

Mr. Groves, who served as associate director of statistical design at the Census Bureau from 1990 to 1992, is an expert on “sampling,” the practice of adjusting statistics in order to compensate for undercounting. This tends to bolster the number of people counted in urban areas that are typically Democratic strongholds. The census, which takes place next April, is used to apportion seats in the House of Representatives and disburse billions in federal dollars.


SNIP

78 Lynn B.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:34:17pm

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

No, was a radio show

Excuse me, but if Glenn Beck had actually predicted 9-11 two or three years (his claims about this have varied) before it happens, someone would have picked that up and reported it

So far, the only place I’ve ever heard this claim is out of his mouth or on his website.

79 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:34:52pm

re: #70 KingKenrod

Ailes needs to find someone less crazy than Andrew Napolitano to fill in for Beck - Napolitano subbed for Beck this past week.


I called the Judge on the Brian and the Judge radio show last week. I’ve called the show twice and gotten on twice … usually in a few minutes. They must not have many callers.

80 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:35:35pm

re: #75 gman

Beck once admitted that he was having a difficult time debunking the FEMA Camp conspiracy theory. I think Bachmann and Beck are two birds of the same feather.

Nope. He wanted to prove they were true and he showed the kooks making the claim had pics from North Korea.

81 Gus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:35:46pm

Still not finding any reference to a $5,000 fine. It’s 100 to 500 dollars — something I’ve referenced before.

82 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:35:52pm

re: #75 gman

Beck once admitted that he was having a difficult time debunking the FEMA Camp conspiracy theory. I think Bachmann and Beck are two birds of the same feather.

Sheesh. I used to work for FEMA. The mob could not even round themselves up in time to get on a bus so they could catch the plane for San Francisco after the earthquake.

83 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:36:44pm

re: #76 KingKenrod

Obama’s not going to do anything about conservatives not filling out the census. Why would he want them counted? Enforcement efforts will be in poor urban areas where bureaucrats and ACORN know how to operate.

Perhaps Obama might get rid of ACORN and hire the guys who did the recent canvassing for dinnerjacket in Iran. They were pretty good.

84 songbird  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:37:12pm

re: #66 avanti

Could I get a link for the comment that the White House is choosing the census staff, that’s a new one. Last I heard, the dept of commence was running the census as usual, just reporting to the POTUS as was done before. Reporting the census is quite different from choosing the staff.

“There is historic precedent for the director of the Census, who works for the commerce secretary and the president, to work closely with White House senior management, given the number of decisions that will have to be put before the president. We plan to return to that model in this administration.”

Hope this helps.

85 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:37:25pm

re: #70 KingKenrod

Ailes needs to find someone less crazy than Andrew Napolitano to fill in for Beck - Napolitano subbed for Beck this past week.


By the way, I would nominate Victor Davis Hanson as a regular guest host on FOX. He is exactly the type of sober conservative whose views should be more widely available.

86 gman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:38:09pm

re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nope. He wanted to prove they were true and he showed the kooks making the claim had pics from North Korea.

he backpedaled later on what he said, but if you watch the video he literally says “I can’t debunk them”.

87 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:39:07pm

re: #78 Lynn B.

Excuse me, but if Glenn Beck had actually predicted 9-11 two or three years (his claims about this have varied) before it happens, someone would have picked that up and reported it

So far, the only place I’ve ever heard this claim is out of his mouth or on his website.

He didn’t “predict.” He said our government wasn’t taking the terrorist threat seriously. Remeber the guy from ABC who interviewed OBL in a cave the summer of 9/11? No one payed attention then either.

88 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:39:48pm

re: #77 MandyManners

President Barack Obama Thursday nominated Robert Groves, a sociology professor at the University of Michigan, to be the next director of the Census Bureau, a choice that riled some Republican lawmakers.


SNIP

When Bush tried using sampling in 2000, the Supreme court ruled against it for representatives:

“In January, however, the Supreme Court ruled against the use of statistical sampling methods to obtain population figures for determining how many of the 435 seats in the House of Representatives go to each of the 50 states. At the same time, the court upheld a law that mandates the use of statistically adjusted figures, when feasible, for all other purposes, such as distributing $180 billion in funds for federal programs and determining congressional and state district boundaries.”

Last week, the Census Bureau responded to the court’s decision and unveiled a revised plan for Census 2000 that would, in effect, provide two population totals. After counting “everyone it possibly can,” the bureau would then conduct a quality-check survey, says Kenneth Prewitt, Census Bureau director. The new plan, however, could push the cost of conducting the census from $4 billion to more than $6 billion.

census.

89 albusteve  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #85 _RememberTonyC

By the way, I would nominate Victor Davis Hanson as a regular guest host on FOX. He is exactly the type of sober conservative whose views should be more widely available.

FOX doesn’t want much to do with sober conservatives…one or two scattered about is enough…lunatics make all the money

90 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #86 gman

he backpedaled later on what he said, but if you watch the video he literally says “I can’t debunk them”.

You can’t disprove what doesn’t exist.

91 subsailor68  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:41:18pm

BTW, Bachmann’s internment thing is nuts, no question about it.

However, it seems okay to me for folks to be a little concerned about including info on questions like:

At what location did this person work last week?
What time did this person leave home to go to work last week? (hour, minute, a.m/p.m)
How many minutes did it usually take this person to get to work from home last week?

Fine, no problem with those questions.

Oops!

The want my name, my address, and my telephone number too.

And I’m supposed to hand this info over to someone showing up on my doorstep?

After every watchdog organization looking out for scams starts their warning with: NEVER give out personal information!

92 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:41:25pm

From the 2:00 Nat’l Weather Service observations:

AUSTIN/MABRY MOSUNNY 101 61 26 CALM 29.86F HX 102

(that’s temp, dew point, and humidity)

93 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:42:37pm

re: #60 _RememberTonyC

I accidentally watched him for a while the other day, when I was checking on Iran coverage, and he was watchable.

Normally, he does stuff right away that turns me off. When he does that eye thing, I feel that I”m again visiting my best friend’s Bible-thumping church as a kid, with the wild-eyed emotional preacher (which contrasted starkly with the formal, solemn demeanor of the priest at my church). Uncomfortable! The extra emotion and yelling! No place to kneel! No kneeling! Guy behind me smoking a cigar!

And when he plays schmaltzy music to set a sad tone, it’s like a Lifetime Channel flick.

I watched 2020 a week or two ago because Adam Lambert was on. Funny! Cute! Gorgeous! Nice! Talented! Knows makeup tips! Then Mr. Beck came on - he got married so he could have sex! Too much information for me! Click!

94 gman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:43:27pm

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

You can’t disprove what doesn’t exist.

Who knows what other goodies are lurking in Beck and Bachmann’s minds?
I still to this day can’t figure why she was hiding behind the bushes at the gay rally.

95 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:44:16pm

re: #84 songbird

Hope this helps.

It says nothing about the WH running the census, just reporting as was done in the past. I know about the hype on the right, bit the WH will just work consulting with commerce as was done before, not messing with the count, that would be impeachable.

96 Lynn B.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:45:11pm

re: #81 Gus 802

Still not finding any reference to a $5,000 fine. It’s 100 to 500 dollars — something I’ve referenced before.

I’m not sure but I think it comes from here.

18 USC 3571 (b):

(b) Fines for Individuals.— Except as provided in subsection (e) of this section, an individual who has been found guilty of an offense may be fined not more than the greatest of—
(1) the amount specified in the law setting forth the offense;
(2) the applicable amount under subsection (d) of this section;
(3) for a felony, not more than $250,000;
(4) for a misdemeanor resulting in death, not more than $250,000;
(5) for a Class A misdemeanor that does not result in death, not more than $100,000;
(6) for a Class B or C misdemeanor that does not result in death, not more than $5,000; or
(7) for an infraction, not more than $5,000.

97 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:46:23pm

Hello Lizards! Sitting on the deck of my B&B looking at Lake Superior. It’s a bit overcast, but totally pleasant non-the-less.

Doesn’t Bachman realize that the ACLU and every other lawyerly organization would be all over such action if it were taken by the government. They are probably having all their law interns researching past cases as I type.

How are you-all? I really wish I could share my view with you.

98 pink freud  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:46:53pm

Capitalist piglet, if you’re here, could you send an email? Nic is blue.

99 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:47:05pm

re: #92 austin_blue
103 in Lago Vista.
Looking for someone that knows how to do a rain dance.

100 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:47:14pm

re: #47 Charles

No - I mean that your areas will be under-represented in the count, which could affect a lot of government services if enough people do it.

Here’s the most important thing: Republicans who don’t fill this out are idiots. If your Red district gets undercounted enough we could lose seats in congress that are Republican locks. Republicans stirring up opposition to filling out the census are strategically stupid.

101 jvic  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:20pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Keep in mind that this nutburger is an elected member of the US House of Representatives.
Conspiracy theories seem to be taking over the world. Indeed, they are the whole cultural underpinning for despots like Chavez and Ahmedinejad. Are we headed the same way? Is the world headed for a showdown between rival brands of paranoid lunacy? Stay tuned.

My intellect suggests I be optimistic, but you’ve touched on one of my fears.

Has natural selection designed the human animal to act more or less sanely only in relation to its near-term survival? The longer we live without a near-term threat, does our wishful thinking diverge more and more from reality—until we put our survival at risk?

102 Lynn B.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:31pm

re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar

He didn’t “predict.” He said our government wasn’t taking the terrorist threat seriously. Remeber the guy from ABC who interviewed OBL in a cave the summer of 9/11? No one payed attention then either.

And I repeat. If Beck had said, as he claims, back in 1998 or 1999 that “there will be bodies and buildings and blood in the streets of New York if you don’t get Osama Bin Laden,” someone (other than Beck himself) would have noticed and reported on it after the fact.

So if you can find some corroboration, please share. Otherwise, you’re just repeating his own puffery.

103 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:48:36pm

re: #95 avanti

It says nothing about the WH running the census, just reporting as was done in the past. I know about the hype on the right, bit the WH will just work consulting with commerce as was done before, not messing with the count, that would be impeachable.

President Obama’s decision to move the U.S. census into the White House?

104 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:49:19pm

re: #100 Thanos

Here’s the most important thing: Republicans who don’t fill this out are idiots. If your Red district gets undercounted enough we could lose seats in congress that are Republican locks. Republicans stirring up opposition to filling out the census are strategically stupid.

What do I do to make sure if census takers skip by again?

105 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:49:43pm

re: #85 _RememberTonyC

By the way, I would nominate Victor Davis Hanson as a regular guest host on FOX. He is exactly the type of sober conservative whose views should be more widely available.

Fox is no different from any other media these days. It’s all about advertising dollars. Why else the low necklines on the female anchors. Every one (well perhaps Laura Ingram) could be a model.

106 legalpad  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:50:37pm

re: #99 Cathypop

103 in Lago Vista.
Looking for someone that knows how to do a rain dance.

Hey! You’ve got the lake right there! Go swimming!

107 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:51:23pm

re: #89 albusteve

FOX doesn’t want much to do with sober conservatives…one or two scattered about is enough…lunatics make all the money

that’s not entirely wrong, but I take issue with some of it. Yes, the loudmouths get a lot of attention, but the loudmouth who says something SUBSTANTIAL is the one who becoms a star. Rush Limbaugh is the number one example. But even those who don’t like Rush have to admit he is talented and very sharp. So is keith dobermann on msnbc. I hate keith’s politics, but he knows how to persuade many of his viewers. But if a loudmouth with no brains tries to make it, they fizzle quickly. On the other hand, if you are going to put the loudmouths on the air, you MUST make room for the VD Hansons of the world. You have to have some variety and balance in your programming. My favorite news show is that 6:00pm Brett Baier show on FOX. It always offers sober perspectives. It’s the best news show on TV. Hanson is from that school.

108 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #100 Thanos

Here’s the most important thing: Republicans who don’t fill this out are idiots. If your Red district gets undercounted enough we could lose seats in congress that are Republican locks. Republicans stirring up opposition to filling out the census are strategically stupid.

Good point, and the justification Bush tried to use to statistically adjust the census for a undercount. I tended to agree with it in principle, but the Supreme Court ruled it could not be used to apportion Representatives, just funding.
If they miss you, you don’t count.

109 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:51:51pm

The U.S. Census is supposed to be free of politics, but one group with a history of voter fraud, ACORN, is participating in next year’s count, raising concerns about the politicization of the decennial survey.

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now signed on as a national partner with the U.S. Census Bureau in February 2009 to assist with the recruitment of the 1.4 million temporary workers needed to go door-to-door to count every person in the United States — currently believed to be more than 306 million people.

A U.S. Census “sell sheet,” an advertisement used to recruit national partners, says partnerships with groups like ACORN “play an important role in making the 2010 Census successful,” including by “help[ing] recruit census workers.”

The bureau is currently employing help from more than 250 national partners, including TARGET and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), to assist in the hiring effort.

SNIP

110 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:52:21pm

re: #102 Lynn B.

And I repeat. If Beck had said, as he claims, back in 1998 or 1999 that “there will be bodies and buildings and blood in the streets of New York if you don’t get Osama Bin Laden,” someone (other than Beck himself) would have noticed and reported on it after the fact.

So if you can find some corroboration, please share. Otherwise, you’re just repeating his own puffery.


Right. A radio show that is a local thing ALWAYS gets big press from the MSM. We can’t even get a commercial during an Obama/ABC/infomercial/healthcare broadcast.

111 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:52:26pm

re: #104 poteen

What do I do to make sure if census takers skip by again?

The best thing to do is to fill out the short form completely and get it in the mail stat. That way you don’t have to worry about visits from humans who are fallible and sometimes politically motivated to manipulate.

112 Cathypop  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:52:48pm

re: #106 legalpad

Hey! You’ve got the lake right there! Go swimming!

There’s a lake out here? Used to be able to walk to the lake in 5 minutes. It now takes 30 minutes and no way to get to the water. Steep drop off.

113 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:53:13pm

re: #103 jcm

President Obama’s decision to move the U.S. census into the White House?

What ? There was no such decision, that would be unconstitutional. The commerce department is doing the census as required by law.

114 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:53:38pm

And, once again, no one had read the bill they voted on, 219-212.

/431 literally ignorant people voting in the aggregate to wreck the U.S. economy, how does this even happen?

115 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:53:41pm

re: #98 pink freud

Capitalist piglet, if you’re here, could you send an email? Nic is blue.

I just tried, but I don’t have Outlook set up (and I don’t want to set it up on this machine), and I don’t know how to get past that snag.

116 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:54:12pm

re: #94 gman

Who knows what other goodies are lurking in Beck and Bachmann’s minds?
I still to this day can’t figure why she was hiding behind the bushes at the gay rally.

That was WEIRD. Here is an article with pictures - you can see her head behind the bushes - it’s hard to believe even when you see the pics.

117 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:55:32pm

re: #100 Thanos

Here’s the most important thing: Republicans who don’t fill this out are idiots. If your Red district gets undercounted enough we could lose seats in congress that are Republican locks. Republicans stirring up opposition to filling out the census are strategically stupid.

I’m not talking about not filling it out, agreed that’s dumb.

I’m talking about questions about how many toilets, what ethnicity, how much my electric bill is.

Census is for enumeration. Which is more and more of joke since ‘35 any way when he froze the number of reps and play gerrymander games with the districts every census.

118 Pass The Moonbaticide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:56:03pm

re: #91 subsailor68
The Government wants the information to sell to Telemarketing Research companies.

Somebody’s got to pay for the Stimulus spending, and the rich just ain’t rich enough.

You know it’s true.

/s. Or is it ?

119 bbuddha  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:56:30pm

re: #112 Cathypop

There’s a lake out here? Used to be able to walk to the lake in 5 minutes. It now takes 30 minutes and no way to get to the water. Steep drop off.

wish I could send you some of our rain. This is the first day in the past 5 it hasn’t rained. It is downright depressing to go that long without sunshine

120 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:56:33pm

Bachman taking in foster children and working for their futures is admirable. I used to think she was a good person. Now, I think she should stick with what she is good at, raising children, and resign.

121 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:56:39pm

re: #112 Cathypop

There’s a lake out here? Used to be able to walk to the lake in 5 minutes. It now takes 30 minutes and no way to get to the water. Steep drop off.

Wow. Bummer.

When I lived in the country, we were a 10-minute walk from a reservoir. You could easily get in it, but it was illegal. We would, however, walk the dog out there and sit on a rock with our feet dangling.

122 legalpad  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:56:51pm

re: #112 Cathypop

There’s a lake out here? Used to be able to walk to the lake in 5 minutes. It now takes 30 minutes and no way to get to the water. Steep drop off.

lol! I forgot that Travis is not a constant level lake. Well, we have a lake further in here in Westlake. But I feel cool just hanging out on the computer. I just took a midday run like a lunatic and as long as the sun is not blasting on me I’m happy.

123 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:57:17pm

In history, what type of governments “need” such detailed information?

124 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:57:33pm

Reapportionment comes in 2010, please fill out your census if you are an R. Someone from our side of the aisle needs to shut Bachman up.

125 bbuddha  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:57:41pm

re: #113 avanti

actually that is why gregg declined his commerce secratary nomination. He (O) said WH would be taking over the Census. Can’t say if he changed his mind again…

126 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:58:06pm

President Obama said in his inaugural address that he planned to “restore science to its rightful place” in government. That’s a worthy goal. But statisticians at the Commerce Department didn’t think it would mean having the director of next year’s Census report directly to the White House rather than to the Commerce secretary, as is customary. “There’s only one reason to have that high level of White House involvement,” a career professional at the Census Bureau tells me. “And it’s called politics, not science.”

The decision was made last week after California Rep. Barbara Lee, chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, and Hispanic groups complained to the White House that Judd Gregg, the Republican senator from New Hampshire slated to head Commerce, couldn’t be trusted to conduct a complete Census. The National Association of Latino Officials said it had “serious questions about his willingness to ensure that the 2010 Census produces the most accurate possible count.”

SNIP

127 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:58:10pm

re: #105 ggt

Fox is no different from any other media these days. It’s all about advertising dollars. Why else the low necklines on the female anchors. Every one (well perhaps Laura Ingram) could be a model.


I love the FOX anchors, but just because they’re hot doesn’t mean they’re dumb. Megyn Kelly is whip smart and “wicked hot.” Julie Banderas is a solid interviewer with just a bit of a right of center approach. I love her. Jamie Colby, who looks like she got some … er … upper torso enhancement is a hot blonde with a law degree and a very good take on things. And then there is Kimberly Guilfoyle … anyone who has seen her knows what I mean. Perfect blend of brains, beauty, and articulation.

128 subsailor68  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 12:59:17pm

re: #118 Pass The Moonbaticide


The Government wants the information to sell to Telemarketing Research companies.

Somebody’s got to pay for the Stimulus spending, and the rich just ain’t rich enough.

You know it’s true.

/s. Or is it ?

LOL! By George, I think you’ve hit on it. It’s brilliant!

129 [deleted]  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:00:01pm
131 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:00:45pm

re: #127 _RememberTonyC

Banderas is a solid interviewer with just a bit of a right of center approach. I love her.

/can’t read a TelePrompTer to save her life

132 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:00:58pm

re: #127 _RememberTonyC

Thank you. Beautiful, smart people everywhere thank you.

Beauty and intelligence are not mutually exclusive sets.

133 Jimmah  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:01:09pm

re: #55 Lynn B.

Here’s someone who found … four.

[Link: 74.125.47.132…]

And guess what? He he didn’t even do that. As far as I can tell, only one of the statements quoted is actually by someone supporting ID, and he (Dr Robert Gange) is not a nobel laureate. The other remarks quoted seem to be general musings on the idea of an intelligence as ultimately responsible for the universe as a whole, in it’s origins, and do not address ID vs evolution at all. To see how disingenous the author of this page is, note that one of his claimed ID supporters is Einstein, famous for very explicitly NOT believing in an interfering deity.

134 dmandman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:01:19pm

re: #123 ggt

Every state that had an interest in it’s constituency collected it since the times of the Romans. It all has to do with taxes, and how much the gov thinks is out there for the taking. If it isn’t the number of citizens, it’s the acreage withing the domain, to how may windows does each building have. Read some history of “revenue” taking during the European Renaissance and you have a lead on it.

135 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:02:42pm

re: #130 avanti

Acorn is one of 100,000 partners, but is not going door to door as Bachman says:

census.

ACORN has been convicted, indicted and under investigation in a dozen states.

Why use them at all?

136 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:02:52pm

re: #121 catttt

Wow. Bummer.

When I lived in the country, we were a 10-minute walk from a reservoir. You could easily get in it, but it was illegal. We would, however, walk the dog out there and sit on a rock with our feet dangling.

speaking of reservoirs, we visited Pactola on our recent tour of the Black Hills. There is a town under all that water. Thinking of learning to scuba.

Just off the coast was what I would call an atoll-all rock. On top of it was an American Flag. Someone had to work to get it there. I took a picture, wish I could share it. Absolutely beautiful. This “lake” is administered by the USDA. Who knew there was anything good administered by the Dept of Agriculture?

137 gman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:03:35pm

re: #116 catttt

That was WEIRD. Here is an article with pictures - you can see her head behind the bushes - it’s hard to believe even when you see the pics.

definitely weird and after you watch this footage of her you’ve got to wonder if she doesn’t feel like she is being “called” to do all sorts of things.

138 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:04:34pm

You know, I may have figured out why Rep. Bachmann was behind the bushes at that gay rally. There is a ledge there, and they’re sitting on it. Then they get up and get in a vehicle that’s pulled up, it looks like. Going somewhere - waiting for vehicle? Taking a break? Only the fact that she’s looney tunes makes me have a bit of - um - wonderment at what she’s up to there.

139 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:04:38pm

re: #127 _RememberTonyC

I love the FOX anchors, but just because they’re hot doesn’t mean they’re dumb. Megyn Kelly is whip smart and “wicked hot.” Julie Banderas is a solid interviewer with just a bit of a right of center approach. I love her. Jamie Colby, who looks like she got some … er … upper torso enhancement is a hot blonde a law degree and a very good take on things. And then there is Kimberly Guilfoyle … anyone who has seen her knows what I mean. Perfect blend of brains, beauty, and articulation.

I agree, but the producers upplay their looks — in a way I think it is insulting. Obvious ploy to gain ratings and advertising dollars. If I had the spectacular resume those ladies had, I have a hard time being part of FOX.

140 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:04:56pm

re: #134 dmandman

Every state that had an interest in it’s constituency collected it since the times of the Romans. It all has to do with taxes, and how much the gov thinks is out there for the taking. If it isn’t the number of citizens, it’s the acreage withing the domain, to how may windows does each building have. Read some history of “revenue” taking during the European Renaissance and you have a lead on it.

Most of us will get a 10 question short form. The longer one trying to find out how bath rooms we have, central AC and the rest will only go to a smaller percentage.

141 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:06:03pm

re: #132 catttt

Thank you. Beautiful, smart people everywhere thank you.

Beauty and intelligence are not mutually exclusive sets.

LOL … Beautiful, smart people are usually pretty secure types. As long as they don’t add “arrogant” to their list of qualities, they are the best!

142 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:06:24pm

re: #137 gman

definitely weird and after you watch this footage of her you’ve got to wonder if she doesn’t feel like she is being “called” to do all sorts of things.

She’s on a mission from God.

144 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:07:04pm

re: #140 avanti

Most of us will get a 10 question short form. The longer one trying to find out how bath rooms we have, central AC and the rest will only go to a smaller percentage.

2010 Census is Different

The Census Bureau has changed the way it conducts the national count.

Goodbye Long Form

In the past, most households received a short-form questionnaire, while one household in six received a long form that contained additional questions and provided more detailed socioeconomic information about the population.

The 2010 Census will be a short-form only census and will count all residents living in the United States as well as ask for name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, relationship and housing tenure – taking just minutes to complete.

The more detailed socioeconomic information is now collected through the American Community Survey. The survey provides current data about your community every year, rather than once every 10 years. It is sent to a small percentage of the population on a rotating basis throughout the decade. No household will receive the survey more often than once every five years.

View more information on the American Community Survey.

145 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:07:55pm

re: #134 dmandman

Every state that had an interest in it’s constituency collected it since the times of the Romans. It all has to do with taxes, and how much the gov thinks is out there for the taking. If it isn’t the number of citizens, it’s the acreage withing the domain, to how may windows does each building have. Read some history of “revenue” taking during the European Renaissance and you have a lead on it.

I think that such detailed information has more to do with social engineering than taxes. I’ll reserve my final judgement ‘til I receive my official census form, which I will complete.

One thought on the WH taking over the Census. I wonder if Obambi thinks it will give the appearance of fairness to the African-American voters who in the past were denied accurate representation. I think it was the way past, but there are a lot of hurt feelings still he may want to address to gain political power.

146 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:08:12pm

re: #137 gman

definitely weird and after you watch this footage of her you’ve got to wonder if she doesn’t feel like she is being “called” to do all sorts of things.

Oh, wow, she is a tax law person. That bugs me - I love tax law (weird,huh?). On the other hand, I don’t wear boots that make my calves look like ham-hocks (meow).

147 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:08:18pm

re: #142 Charles

She’s on a mission from God.

She needs a black suit and sunglasses. And a band.

148 Jimmah  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:08:25pm

As for Glenn Beck - he did look like he was embarrassed by what Bachman was saying, but I think it’s more likely the pressure to wind things up for the break caused him to load the wrong facial expression/gesture sequence.

Ok, back to work for me.

149 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:08:26pm

re: #139 ggt

I agree, but the producers upplay their looks — in a way I think it is insulting. Obvious ploy to gain ratings and advertising dollars. If I had the spectacular resume those ladies had, I have a hard time being part of FOX.

I think the FOX women have a bit more control over the way they’re presented than you may think. All of them have agents and if they feel insulted by the producers, believe me they will make their feelings known. I work in that field and have dealt with my share of divas over a 30+ year career. Those ladies LIKE the way they look. God Bless Em!

150 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:08:51pm

re: #142 Charles

She’s on a mission from God.

But does she have sunglasses and ‘74 Dodge Monaco?

That’s one strange video…….

151 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:09:06pm

re: #147 ggt

GMTA!

152 subsailor68  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:09:53pm

re: #140 avanti

Most of us will get a 10 question short form. The longer one trying to find out how bath rooms we have, central AC and the rest will only go to a smaller percentage.

Yes, if I read it correctly, to 1 out of 6 households?

As I noted above, I don’t have a problem with the census, and I really don’t have a problem with the American Community Survey. What makes me a bit uncomfortable is the ability to tie that much in-depth personal information to a specific person, at a specific address.

One thing that could be done to ease folks’ discomfort would be to create an American Community Survey form that is linked only to something like a zip code. That way, the data is available, it’s tied to a geographic area, but is not tied to an individual by name and address.

153 Gus  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:07pm

re: #96 Lynn B.

I did find the following in the census site:

The American Community Survey is conducted under the authority of Title 13, United States Code, Sections 141 and 193, and response is mandatory. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of not more than $100 to not more than $5,000. The U.S. Census Bureau may use this information only for statistical purposes. We can assure you that your confidentiality is protected. Title 13 requires the Census Bureau to keep all information about you and all other respondents strictly confidential. Any Census Bureau employee who violates these provisions is subject to a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison sentence of up to five years, or both.

Googling Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 finds your link. I guess it is up to $5,000. I had an inkling that it might have been amended.

154 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:08pm

re: #137 gman

definitely weird and after you watch this footage of her you’ve got to wonder if she doesn’t feel like she is being “called” to do all sorts of things.

Weird. She has visions?

155 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:22pm

re: #149 _RememberTonyC

I think the FOX women have a bit more control over the way they’re presented than you may think. All of them have agents and if they feel insulted by the producers, believe me they will make their feelings known. I work in that field and have dealt with my share of divas over a 30+ year career. Those ladies LIKE the way they look. God Bless Em!

I also think Fox has some kick-ass makeup people. Certain people of the female persuasion who shall remain nameless look awesomely more attractive when they guest on Fox than in other venues.

156 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:39pm

re: #135 jcm

Payback.

157 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:51pm

I’m not too worried about the Census. Even if they are able to collect the minutia of information they want, I have no confidence our government can collate and use that information before it is outdated and useless.

158 pink freud  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:10:58pm

re: #115 capitalist piglet

I’ve added an addy on my user profile.

159 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:11:47pm

She’s not her own person….

160 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:12:19pm

The White House is NOT “taking over the census.”

Census plan gets counted out.

The Obama administration has scrapped plans to have the Census Bureau director report directly to the White House, assuaging the concerns of lawmakers.

Commerce Secretary nominee Gary Locke met with key senators Wednesday to reassure them that the 2010 census would be managed by the Commerce Department, and not the White House.

Locke met with Commerce Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) and ranking member Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) to defuse concerns that had arisen over stewardship of the census.
Locke provided two key assurances, according to aides: that the census would stay out of the White House’s hands, and that so-called sampling will be used minimally, as an accuracy check.

A Commerce Department source confirmed Locke’s message to Capitol Hill.

161 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:12:21pm

re: #149 _RememberTonyC

I think the FOX women have a bit more control over the way they’re presented than you may think. All of them have agents and if they feel insulted by the producers, believe me they will make their feelings known. I work in that field and have dealt with my share of divas over a 30+ year career. Those ladies LIKE the way they look. God Bless Em!

They like the money.

162 dmandman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:13:03pm

re: #145 ggt

I helped do the Data Processing Work for the 1980 census. There was a lot of demographic data that was analyzed down to the zip code level. Based on that info you could target community areas with an estimation of economic value and population representation. I was worth a fortune to the advertising agencies and the gov could guestimate tax revenues based on license fees and other taxes.

163 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:13:26pm

re: #155 catttt

I also think Fox has some kick-ass makeup people. Certain people of the female persuasion who shall remain nameless look awesomely more attractive when they guest on Fox than in other venues.

Makeup is very important. Especially when you are watching in Hi Def. Did you know that there is special makeup just for Hi Def TV where they actually spray the makeup on most of the face and only use a pad around the eyes?

164 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:14:29pm

re: #160 Charles

Scrapped plans…..

Enough fuss and questions where raised.

BTW Locke is a pretty good guy. Did a decent job as gov. in WA.

165 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:14:42pm

re: #162 dmandman

I helped do the Data Processing Work for the 1980 census. There was a lot of demographic data that was analyzed down to the zip code level. Based on that info you could target community areas with an estimation of economic value and population representation. I was worth a fortune to the advertising agencies and the gov could guestimate tax revenues based on license fees and other taxes.

I have confidence in advertising agencies to use the information efficiently. Not our CongressCritters.

166 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:14:44pm

re: #161 ggt

They like the money.


Bingo, we have a winner. And by making me love them, their ratings go WAY up. And they get paid for those ratings.

167 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:15:00pm

re: #143 MandyManners

When Bush tried using sampling in 2000, the Supreme court ruled against it for representatives:

The Supreme Court ruled in 1999. And, Pres. Bush did not assume office until 2001.

Thanks for the correction, but the point stands that sampling is ruled out by the court.

168 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:15:37pm

back soon ……

169 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:16:01pm

re: #166 _RememberTonyC

Bingo, we have a winner. And by making me love them, their ratings go WAY up. And they get paid for those ratings.

Sex sells, even in the “news”. The only news left is Citizen Journalism. The rest is a product.

170 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:16:12pm

re: #160 Charles

The White House is NOT “taking over the census.”

Census plan gets counted out.

Good.

171 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:16:47pm

re: #167 avanti

Thanks for the correction, but the point stands that sampling is ruled out by the court.

Where did I say that the bureau would use sampling?

172 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:17:29pm

From a “equal rights” point of view, female anchors are no different from beauty queens of the past. Well, there is one difference, they can make more money. And perhaps that is the only point that matters.

173 gman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:18:18pm

re: #159 Sharmuta

She’s not her own person….

yeah, it creeps me out.

174 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:18:54pm

re: #169 ggt

Sex sells, even in the “news”. The only news left is Citizen Journalism. The rest is a product.

But most of the male anchors aren’t hot. /sulks

175 lightspeed  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:17pm

I think the whole census controversy is much ado about nothing. I don’t think it’s going to make a bit of difference whether you fill the damned thing out or not. The politicians in power are going to rig it one way or the other to come out in their favor. Mark my words, any redistricting based on the census will magically strengthen the Democrats and weaken the Republicans. It’s way easier to rig a census count than it is to rig an election, considering that the census is entirely the responsibility of the Executive Branch of the federal government. There is no real oversight. And, in addition, Obama has already made clear his intention to politicize the census by running it directly out of the White House. I believe that this may be the firewall that the Democrats use to prevent a loss of power in 2010. And I think that counting illegals will be a big part of it.

176 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:18pm

re: #174 catttt

But most of the male anchors aren’t hot. /sulks

some things NEVER change.

177 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:25pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Where did I say that the bureau would use sampling?

Someone must have, either that or I had a senior moment. : ) Sorry if it was not you.

178 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:34pm

Here comes the hate mail:

Charles,

I just wanted to say, after reading your blog for a short time now I
find you to be a manipulative, lying sack of crap. You’re actually more dangerous than the extreme right and extreme left you constantly say you are against. I see a extreme lefty in you hiding behind a facade of
being a centrist.

You are a great member of the Obama machine… I’m sure they are
appreciative of the work you do for them.

Bill

179 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:19:44pm

re: #173 gman

yeah, it creeps me out.


Let’s be kind, it keeps her off the street…..

180 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:20:04pm

re: #173 gman

yeah, it creeps me out.

I pity her.

181 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:20:24pm

re: #175 lightspeed

I think the whole census controversy is much ado about nothing. I don’t think it’s going to make a bit of difference whether you fill the damned thing out or not. The politicians in power are going to rig it one way or the other to come out in their favor. Mark my words, any redistricting based on the census will magically strengthen the Democrats and weaken the Republicans. It’s way easier to rig a census count than it is to rig an election, considering that the census is entirely the responsibility of the Executive Branch of the federal government. There is no real oversight. And, in addition, Obama has already made clear his intention to politicize the census by running it directly out of the White House. I believe that this may be the firewall that the Democrats use to prevent a loss of power in 2010. And I think that counting illegals will be a big part of it.

Perhaps the Republicans should run on a “LEGAL guns and LEGAL aliens” platform.

182 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:20:29pm

re: #178 Charles

He’s wrong. You’re an extreme centrist.

183 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:20:35pm

re: #178 Charles

Here comes the hate mail:

Over target……

As usual!

184 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:20:46pm

re: #169 ggt

Sex sells, even in the “news”. The only news left is Citizen Journalism. The rest is a product.


Youtube Video

Bill Clinton inaguration
185 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:21:35pm

re: #177 avanti

Someone must have, either that or I had a senior moment. : ) Sorry if it was not you.

I posted a link to an article in the WSJ about the head of the census is Robert Groves, an expert in sampling.

186 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:21:46pm

re: #178 Charles

That book thread drove them over the edge, I bet.

187 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:21:48pm

re: #172 ggt

From a “equal rights” point of view, female anchors are no different from beauty queens of the past. Well, there is one difference, they can make more money. And perhaps that is the only point that matters.

The BBC doesn’t really worry about ratings, so their anchors are called “news readers”. That’s honest. Most anchors (there are exceptions) don’t write their copy.

188 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:22:21pm

re: #178 Charles

*shaking head*

189 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:22:25pm

re: #186 Sharmuta

That book thread drove them over the edge, I bet.

Yeah, reading dangerous activity…….

190 barb42  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:22:34pm

I refused the last one because it was way to nosy. My brother has the big one and he is refusing to answer. He called me in a rage as he read the questions to me.

That aside, remember that the 1930’s Jews in Germany were advised their lives were at risk by those who read the signs. They laughed it off and said ‘it can’t happen here - Germany is too intellectual for that’. Those who stayed died by the millions. We may or may not die in this country, but we can lose our freedom by refusing to hear. Ridicule is the poorest sort of argument. It drives away reason and dialog.

191 avanti  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:23:12pm

re: #178 Charles

Here comes the hate mail:

Charles is a RINO, purge him ! /s

192 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:23:48pm

re: #191 avanti

Charles is a RINO, purge him ! /s

No he’s a DINO, purge him!

//

193 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:24:16pm

re: #190 barb42

Well, you’d better leave the country before you end up in a FEMA camp. Buh-bye.

194 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:24:23pm

Michael Jackson

/formerly a walking pharmacy, good for Greta

195 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:24:31pm

re: #186 Sharmuta

That book thread drove them over the edge, I bet.

Maybe they hate macro photography.

196 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:24:37pm

re: #188 MandyManners

*shaking head*

Amen Sister…..
I’m sure you can buy a crazier email….But at what cost?

197 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:24:59pm

re: #189 jcm

Promoting thought, and comprehension… shocking! Just who does that Charles Johnson think he is, anyways?

198 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:25:01pm

re: #192 jcm

No he’s a DINO, purge him!

//

wrong, he’s a CINO!
(centrist in name only)

199 austin_blue  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:25:02pm

re: #178 Charles

Here comes the hate mail:

Charles;

What brought that on?

200 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:25:23pm

re: #190 barb42

I refused the last one because it was way to nosy. My brother has the big one and he is refusing to answer. He called me in a rage as he read the questions to me.

That aside, remember that the 1930’s Jews in Germany were advised their lives were at risk by those who read the signs. They laughed it off and said ‘it can’t happen here - Germany is too intellectual for that’. Those who stayed died by the millions. We may or may not die in this country, but we can lose our freedom by refusing to hear. Ridicule is the poorest sort of argument. It drives away reason and dialog.

Ummmmmmmmmm…what? Are you buying into Bachmann’s nonsense?

201 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:25:41pm

In 2000 we got the long form. My husband wouldn’t fill it out, and I wished to avoid marital contention so I didn’t, either. He’s just a private person and felt that the long form asked questions that were nobody else’s business.

Guess what? They do show up at your door. They were very nice about my non-answers (we had already provided all the information on the short form already.) No fine, though.

202 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:26:10pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

wrong, he’s a CINO!
(centrist in name only)

Oh, okay……

PURGE HIM!

////

203 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:26:30pm

re: #199 austin_blue

Charles;

What brought that on?

Charles lives in their heads……

204 subsailor68  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:26:35pm

re: #178 Charles

Here comes the hate mail:

It’s diabolical! Here you are, an undercover Obama operative, operating a blog site for reasonable, thoughtful, generally conservative dialog. A site where you, and the other participants demand links to reliable sources for information and opinions. It’s genius. We’re all rounded up in one place!

Uh, Bill, thanks for your closely reasoned, clearly articulated observation.

//

205 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:26:44pm

Notice how Bachmann says in the church video that women should be “submissive to their husbands” — that’s exactly the topic of one of the books I recommended last night:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Youtube Video
206 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:27:10pm
I see a extreme lefty in you

That could rotate. Other than that, it’s a waste of electrons.

207 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:27:23pm

The syllabus to Department of Commerce v. U.S. House.

208 bbuddha  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:27:27pm

re: #190 barb42

Thank you for saying that better than I could. I’m actually surprised that so many here don’t see any problem with providing the govt with detailed info. the census is supposed to be numbers ONLY

209 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:27:43pm

re: #137 gman

definitely weird and after you watch this footage of her you’ve got to wonder if she doesn’t feel like she is being “called” to do all sorts of things.

That was an amazing display of egomania. God’s attention is “focused like a laserbeam” on her race for political office.

210 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:28:04pm

re: #205 Charles

Notice how Bachmann says in the church video that women should be “submissive to their husbands” — that’s exactly the topic of one of the books I recommended last night:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Youtube Video

Her husband *let* her run for office?

211 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:28:28pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

wrong, he’s a CINO!
(centrist in name only)

Yes, off to the gulag with him. I’m sure the Census Bureau has everything you need for the pick up.

212 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:28:48pm

re: #201 EmmmieG

In 2000 we got the long form. My husband wouldn’t fill it out, and I wished to avoid marital contention so I didn’t, either. He’s just a private person and felt that the long form asked questions that were nobody else’s business.

Guess what? They do show up at your door. They were very nice about my non-answers (we had already provided all the information on the short form already.) No fine, though.

I only filled out how many and citizenship last time, they came to my door. I said “get a subpoena” was polite but firm. Never heard another thing, my guess is the worker just filled it in. I mean, every house on the block is 4 bedroom 2.5 bath how hard could it have been?

213 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:28:54pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Her husband *let* her run for office?

Well, you know, God told them both that she was destined for that. Obviously, her husband couldn’t object.

214 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:29:02pm

re: #205 Charles

That’s why they hate feminism so much- it’s the antithesis of their control mechanism to have women deciding for themselves what they want to do with their lives.

215 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:29:21pm

re: #207 MandyManners

The syllabus to Department of Commerce v. U.S. House.

I didn’t see it in there. Do the Celts get to be a race again?//

216 fruitylips  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:29:27pm

re: #144 jcm

I got the ACS sent to me 2 years ago and threw it away. Ignoring the intrusive nature of the questions, to actually fill this thing out properly would take hours. The sent someone by and I told them I was declining to respond. I got a letter from the regional director telling me that responding was MANDATORY. I sent him a letter telling him how many people lived in my house and their ages. Nothing from them since.

Lucky me…back in 1990 I also got the long form.

BTW, my cousin owns The Scooter Store. He says that they get a slew of constant requests for signed headshots of the old bald guy that is their spokesperson. That guy takes a lot of ribbing from the staff about it.

217 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:29:45pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Her husband *let* her run for office?

He’s decided her entire career for her.

218 songbird  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:30:07pm

re: #160 Charles

Thanks for clearing that up!

219 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:30:24pm

bbiab

220 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:30:31pm

re: #213 Charles

Well, you know, God told them both that she was destined for that. Obviously, her husband couldn’t object.

It is extremely manipulative to tell people God sent you unless you actually are the Son of God.

221 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:05pm

re: #215 poteen

I didn’t see it in there. Do the Celts get to be a race again?//

Picts, too.

222 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:05pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Her husband *let* her run for office?

Writes her speeches for her and casts her votes too.
Just so long as dinners ready on time.

223 fruitylips  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:09pm

re: #216 fruitylips

Oh, also I wrote my Congresscritter, Zoe Lofgren about the ACS and how ridiculously annoying it is. She replied saying that I was not the only person to complain to her about it and that they were looking at changing it. I have no idea if they did or not.

224 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:36pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

He’s decided her entire career for her.

She needs to grow up.

225 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:31:44pm

re: #221 MandyManners

Picts, too.

That’s on my dad’s side.

226 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:32:03pm

re: #222 poteen

Writes her speeches for her and casts her votes too.
Just so long as dinners ready on time.

And, there’s the right amount of starch in his shirts.

227 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:32:14pm

re: #216 fruitylips

I got the ACS sent to me 2 years ago and threw it away. Ignoring the intrusive nature of the questions, to actually fill this thing out properly would take hours. The sent someone by and I told them I was declining to respond. I got a letter from the regional director telling me that responding was MANDATORY. I sent him a letter telling him how many people lived in my house and their ages. Nothing from them since.

Lucky me…back in 1990 I also got the long form.

BTW, my cousin owns The Scooter Store. He says that they get a slew of constant requests for signed headshots of the old bald guy that is their spokesperson. That guy takes a lot of ribbing from the staff about it.


Oh, I know someone who is related to someone famous!

*quiver*

;-P

The ACS is online, I looked it over, they wanted everything be the result of your last colonoscopy.

228 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:32:15pm

Going to the market. bbl

229 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:32:34pm

Not that it freaked me out (I actually appreciated this), but I have received two robocalls and multiple end-of-receipt reminders about the Nestle recall. The store has it in their database that I bought Nestle cookie dough* in the past, and so they are notifying me.

I’m pretty sure that the store doesn’t want to know my commute time or how many bathrooms I have, though.

*White chocolate macadamia, if you must know.

230 gander  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:32:49pm

I don’t care for the whole racial enumeration angle of the census. I always wished that I had 1/8th Macedonian blood so I could declare myself a Macaroon.

231 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:32:50pm

re: #224 MandyManners

She needs to grow up.

Watch that entire video- he choose her degree, her career in politics… she’s not her own person. It’s the sort of fatalism and control we see in islam, frankly.

232 poteen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:34:09pm

re: #231 Sharmuta

Watch that entire video- he choose her degree, her career in politics… she’s not her own person. It’s the sort of fatalism and control we see in islam, frankly.

“Aisha” Bachmann. Now I need an aspirin.

233 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:34:30pm

re: #228 MandyManners

Going to the market. bbl

Pick me up a case a beer and some smokes will ya?

234 fruitylips  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:34:45pm

re: #227 jcm
The ACS is online, I looked it over, they wanted everything be the result of your last colonoscopy.

I finally threw it away when I got to the question about ‘How much did you pay for Electricity last year?’ I have no idea. PG&E sends me one bill for gas and electric. ‘How much did you spend on natural gas?’ was the next question.

235 SFGoth  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:34:47pm

re: #220 MandyManners

It is extremely manipulative to tell people God sent you unless you actually are the Son of God.

And if you have a vagina?

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:34:54pm

The neighbors growing up next to me are Southern Baptist. Married about 45 years. Before they were married, he and a friend were going fishing. She said, ” What I suppose to do all day?” He said “laundry.” He came home and all his pants cuffs and shirt sleeves were sowed shut. Heh.

237 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:35:32pm

re: #233 jcm

Pick me up a case a beer and some smokes will ya?

You are a bad bad boy.
LOL

238 subsailor68  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:36:06pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Her husband *let* her run for office?

“Representative Bachmann spoke to reporters outside her home in Stepford.”

239 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:36:56pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

You are a bad bad boy.
LOL

She finds out, I’m gonna’ get such a *whack*!

240 babes  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:37:02pm

That is really pathetic …. instead of ‘the Lord said’ .. she should be honest an admit that she wanted advancement and admiration.

241 BignJames  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:39:24pm

re: #238 subsailor68

“Representative Bachmann spoke to reporters outside her home in Stepford.”

Rimshot!

242 fruitylips  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:39:38pm

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

The neighbors growing up next to me are Southern Baptist. Married about 45 years. Before they were married, he and a friend were going fishing. She said, ” What I suppose to do all day?” He said “laundry.” He came home and all his pants cuffs and shirt sleeves were sowed shut. Heh.

My grandfather was a banker in TX. He bought about 500 aces in north of Austin so he’d have a place to take business associates hunting. No girls allowed. Women were allowed up there one weekend right before deer season opened because someone had to clean the place.

Mom says that lasted until she was in high school, since he had all daughters. They started ignoring him and hanging out there over the summer, camping withe their friends.

243 SixDegrees  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:40:03pm

re: #190 barb42

My brother has the big one and he is refusing to answer. He called me in a rage as he read the questions to me.

If your brother is claiming he’s already received his census form, I’d be very concerned that he’s raging. Given that the census doesn’t occur until next year.

If you’re referring to the set of proposed questions that’s floating around, I’ve read it. It’s no different than the long form used in the past in any meaningful way.

Every ten years, people start foaming at the mouth over the long form. And every ten years, those who get it fill it out anyway, because it’s easy to bitch in advance but not so easy to deal with the consequences of actually acting.

244 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:40:29pm

re: #205 Charles

Notice how Bachmann says in the church video that women should be “submissive to their husbands” — that’s exactly the topic of one of the books I recommended last night:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]


[Video]

Mentioned in Quiverfull:
The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood

Michelle Bachman may be violating their stated principles on proper gender roles, in that she has placed herself in a position where she may be directly guiding and instructing male subordinates.

245 jcm  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:41:22pm

re: #244 jaunte

Mentioned in Quiverfull:
The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood

Michelle Bachman may be violating their stated principles on proper gender roles, in that she has placed herself in a position where she may be directly guiding and instructing male subordinates.

STONE HER!

//////////

246 SixDegrees  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:41:35pm

re: #205 Charles

Notice how Bachmann says in the church video that women should be “submissive to their husbands” — that’s exactly the topic of one of the books I recommended last night:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]


[Video]

More proof that the extreme Right and the Taliban have much in common.

247 bbuddha  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:44:27pm

re: #243 SixDegrees

Can’t answer for anyone else but I won’t answer the long form. The census is authorized to count number of people. the rest of it is none of their business. If you answer as to number of people I’m not sure they can really do anything about the rest of it.

248 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:46:00pm

re: #178 Charles

Here comes the hate mail:

Now you’ve done it. You angered Bill.

249 subsailor68  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:46:36pm

Well, all, I’m outta here. Was going to play some golf this afternoon, but my thermometer is well over 100.

Hey, there’s some golf on TV!

Have a wonderful weekend everyone!

250 bbuddha  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:46:46pm

re: #244 jaunte

Let me say that I don’t go along with that whole submissive woman thing, but I was raised in the church and know that being submissive to your husband doesn’t mean you can’t be in authority over other males. that is one place they differ from islam.

251 jaunte  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:48:29pm

re: #250 bbuddha

Sure, I’m not conflating the CBMW with a church, but they do have an agenda which includes female submission to males in general.

252 SixDegrees  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:49:14pm

re: #247 bbuddha

Can’t answer for anyone else but I won’t answer the long form. The census is authorized to count number of people. the rest of it is none of their business. If you answer as to number of people I’m not sure they can really do anything about the rest of it.

Congress makes the laws. The Constitution merely sets out a minimal amount of information that must be collected - it doesn’t impose any restrictions, however, on collecting more.

If you’re seriously considering refusing to answer, I’d strongly suggest researching your legal standing first. I’m not saying refusal it the wrong thing to do, only that you need to know what you’re facing before acting.

253 catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:50:26pm

re: #205 Charles

Don’t see why she can’t just do a little erotic power exchange in the bedroom like everyone else. Humph. /

One of my favorites from the Brick Testament:

Instructions for Women

254 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:50:57pm

re: #246 SixDegrees

More proof that the extreme Right and the Taliban have much in common.

Actually, there’s counter scripture to that - husbands are commanded to “love [their] wives”…it’s just that usually, people only hear the instruction to women, and it sounds pretty oppressive without context. When I’ve heard this teaching in church, the pastor made as big (if not a bigger) deal of the instruction to men.

You don’t have to be “extreme Right” to take advice from scripture, and taking advice from scripture doesn’t make one like the Taliban.

255 barflytom  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:52:07pm

re: #243 SixDegrees

If your brother is claiming he’s already received his census form, I’d be very concerned that he’s raging. Given that the census doesn’t occur until next year.

If you’re referring to the set of proposed questions that’s floating around, I’ve read it. It’s no different than the long form used in the past in any meaningful way.

Every ten years, people start foaming at the mouth over the long form. And every ten years, those who get it fill it out anyway, because it’s easy to bitch in advance but not so easy to deal with the consequences of actually acting.

It’s not that the questions are much more intrusive, it’s who has access to it. ACORN ?

256 bbuddha  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:54:47pm

BBIAB, must kill spiders, why don’t they understand they aren’t allowed inside?

257 Catttt  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 1:56:00pm

re: #163 _RememberTonyC

Makeup is very important. Especially when you are watching in Hi Def. Did you know that there is special makeup just for Hi Def TV where they actually spray the makeup on most of the face and only use a pad around the eyes?

I didn’t know that, but I’ve already heard people fretting about how they look in Hi Def, so any advantage must be a good thing. I’m glad my job doesn’t require being sprayed with makeup!

258 sagehen  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:02:18pm

re: #246 SixDegrees

More proof that the extreme Right and the Taliban have much in common.


And yet they take offense when I call them talibangelicals. Go figure.

259 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:27:41pm

re: #221 MandyManners

What about Angles, Saxons and Jutes?

260 PloniAlmoni  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 2:57:20pm

I may not agree with Bachmann on everything, but I’m pretty sure most Americans will find at least one or two questions on the Census that are too invasive.

261 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:14:00pm

re: #254 capitalist piglet

Actually, there’s counter scripture to that - husbands are commanded to “love [their] wives”…it’s just that usually, people only hear the instruction to women, and it sounds pretty oppressive without context. When I’ve heard this teaching in church, the pastor made as big (if not a bigger) deal of the instruction to men.

You don’t have to be “extreme Right” to take advice from scripture, and taking advice from scripture doesn’t make one like the Taliban.

Even within context, it’s still very oppressive. The “husbands, love your wives” part is so vague as to be meaningless in practice.

Monarchs are supposed to “love” their subjects, but the subjects are by definition submissive. The “love” goes both ways, but the “submit” only goes one way. For a married couple, that’s a recipe for abuse.

262 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:21:21pm

BYE, TARTARSAUCE!

263 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:26:28pm

Speaking of “wives, submit to your husbands,” here’s an answer that was voted “best answer” on Yahoo, to the question “Do Christian husbands have the right to spank their wives with a belt for being disobedient?”

A: Couples (Christian or otherwise) have the right to decide if corporal punishment (or domestic discipline, as it is sometimes referred to) is workable in their relationship, but neither spouse has the right to impose it on the other against their will. If it is a mutual decision, then a belt or any other implement is permissible. I happen to be a Christian minister and in a corporal punishment relationship, but it is my wife who spanks me when I break the rules. She is not otherwise dominant, but I need help with focus and motivation, and corporal punishment works very well for me.

264 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 3:41:02pm

Is there any truth to the hate mail saying Charles is part of the Obama machine? I’m giving this the 48 hour rule….

265 capitalist piglet  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:09:27pm

re: #261 ShanghaiEd

Even within context, it’s still very oppressive. The “husbands, love your wives” part is so vague as to be meaningless in practice.

Monarchs are supposed to “love” their subjects, but the subjects are by definition submissive. The “love” goes both ways, but the “submit” only goes one way. For a married couple, that’s a recipe for abuse.

It is if your husband is an asshole. Hopefully, most of us choose more wisely than that. And if he is an asshole, he doesn’t need a manual on how to abuse you.

266 gman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:12:17pm

re: #209 jaunte

That was an amazing display of egomania. God’s attention is “focused like a laserbeam” on her race for political office.

Seriously, she can justify everything she does as “God’s calling” and the result is a lot of people give her a “pass” because you can’t question God’s will.

267 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 4:24:00pm

re: #265 capitalist piglet

It is if your husband is an asshole. Hopefully, most of us choose more wisely than that. And if he is an asshole, he doesn’t need a manual on how to abuse you.

That’s certainly one view. I submit that there are millions of borderline assholes out there who act decently under normal societal constraints, but when presented with a Biblical framework in which they get to control another person’s life, go full-bore asshole. Human nature being to crave power, it’s an invitation to both males and females to excuse mental problems because they’re just following “God’s will.”

Do you not think the “submission” doctrine contributes to such scariness as the “corporal punishment marriage” that I reference in #263?

268 Barb42  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:00:40pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Well, you’d better leave the country before you end up in a FEMA camp. Buh-bye.

Sorry Kilgore, that makes no sense. Dialog requires sense and reason. Try clarity. Have you ever had to fill in a long form census? Its intrusive and none of the government business. They want you to tell them what kind of medication you are taking, details on your finances - elements of your private life that other laws forbid the government from demanding without a warrant. You do understand that what a warrant means, don’t you? All the census was designed to do was provide a count of citizens for the number of representatives to Congress. They never intended us to spill out private information to little men with clipboards. However, feel free to give all your information to the Acorn staff - I am sure they guard it with the greatest of care. Just for you.

269 Barb42  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:08:27pm

re: #200 MandyManners

Ummmmmmmmmm…what? Are you buying into Bachmann’s nonsense?

As I said before, its intrusive. If people are concerned, I tend to think better safe than sorry. Of course, we all know nothing bad can happen in the United States of America. No members of government would ever think of their own power before us. No ethical issues, no bribes, no hint of corruption could possibly happen here. No missing ballot boxes, no threatening men at the polling places, no illegal or double votes. I am a fool for thinking such things. You know best, of course. Silly me.

270 freetoken  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:30:12pm

re: #269 Barb42

You didn’t directly answer Mandy’s question. I’ll take your “long form” answer to be a yes.

271 NoWhereAlaska  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:44:23pm

Just curious. After listening I got three items:
1. The census is becoming more intrusive. That is an opinion.
2. Citizenship is not mentioneed on the form.
3. The government used the form to help round of the Japanese in world war II.
The first is an opinion. The last two however are statements that can be verified. Has anyone done the fact checking?

272 freetoken  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 5:51:56pm

re: #271 NoWhereAlaska

“Fact checking”?

Here?

Haven’t you heard, this place is about being part of the “Obama machine”?

/

273 westman  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:51:59pm

NoWhereAlaska: She was correct that the Census Bureau did provide information to assist in the internment. Here is background information on it.

274 oldbluesboy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 6:55:49pm

It’s a waste of time discussing Bachmann and Beck, and his facial expression. This is meaningless.


Do your homework and stop the petty personal arguments. Liberals, Conservatives, and everyone in between or on either fringe, do yourself a favor and search for the truth:

cloward piven alinsky soros Obama ACORN rathke

275 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:06:11pm

re: #274 oldbluesboy

It’s a waste of time discussing Bachmann and Beck, and his facial expression. This is meaningless.

No it’s not meaningless. Although some points on the Census warrant review and concern, Bachmann is a kook and attracts ridicule and scorn. Hopefully not to the issues she brings up.

276 Irenicum  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:25:19pm

re: #53 catttt

Wow, that’s officially cool!

277 Oldbluesboy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:47:13pm

>

You just don’t get it. Think bigger.

278 Oldbluesboy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:48:40pm

BigPapa
You just don’t get it. Think bigger.
Did you do the search?

279 freetoken  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 7:58:44pm

re: #278 Oldbluesboy

Can’t you just get to the punch-line?

280 Oldbluesboy  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 8:06:29pm

There’s no punch line. Just a big punch at the end.

281 shug  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:09:20pm

Bachman is crazy but on this issue she is probably right

282 Wendya  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 9:48:05pm

re: #273 westman

NoWhereAlaska: She was correct that the Census Bureau did provide information to assist in the internment. Here is background information on it.

You’re not supposed to point out the elephant in the room. ;)

The census is overly intrusive as anyone who got the long form last go around can verify. The government doesn’t need to know that information. We certainly don’t need ACORN to have access to it either. What possible use do they have for how many rooms my house has and how long it takes me to drive to work? What possible “government services” would be proposed based on that information? Is everyone so hot to get their piece of the taxpayer pie that they’re willing to submit the most mundane details of their life to the government in hopes of getting “free” goodies?

283 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:18:49pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Beck says he’s doesn’t want to fill it out either but he’s afraid they’ll take away his guns. The only reason he cut her off is because they had to take a break to sell boner pills and detergent.

Probably. For whatever reason though, Beck has recently been backing off his claims about the FEMA camps and the evil libruhls coming to round everyone up for re-education.

Here he is on Fox denying he ever said anything like that:

Responding to Krugman, Beck claimed of FEMA conspiracy theories: “Never said anything like it”

Here he is on O’Reilly, denying it again:

On O’Reilly Factor, Beck again denied Krugman’s account of Beck’s remarks about FEMA “concentration camps”

Then again, this is Glenn Beck we’re talking about here. The guy has no problem believing 6 impossible things before breakfast, repeating them all before lunch, and contradicting himself about all of them before dinner.

Bachmann is, nonetheless, an idiot.

284 iceweasel  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:22:38pm

re: #263 ShanghaiEd

Speaking of “wives, submit to your husbands,” here’s an answer that was voted “best answer” on Yahoo, to the question “Do Christian husbands have the right to spank their wives with a belt for being disobedient?”

I’d vote that up for ‘best answer’ too, but not because I agree with it. It’s hilarious!

285 karloveloce  Sat, Jun 27, 2009 10:37:15pm

Further evidence of Bachmanns’ born and bred political wackiness that Minnesota seems to churn out like fat welfare checks from human services to folks that can make the drive every month from Gary, IN or Chicago. She is a politician reminiscent of that ghoulish and emaciated pundit with the long stringy blond hair. Reveling in the attention heaped upon them; the more negative all the better. It feeds their rapacious desire for attention which seems to further fuel their lightning rod commentary, garnering more publicity; furthering more statements and books sales, etc., endlessly hammering away on the left and constantly inserting themselves into public discourse. Perhaps they assume their relevancy will increase with the number of soundbites that are referenced daily.

286 Norm Chumpsky  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:38:25am

[Link: www.scientificamerican.com…]

287 NoWhereAlaska  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:12am

re: #286 Norm Chumpsky

Thanks,
Just as a clock is correct twice a day, even a wacky politician calls them correctly sometimes.
This thread is just another example of how our ‘politics of personal destruction’ is counter-productive to a rational political discussion of the problems we face in America.

288 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:14:47am

Oh please. Nobody was arguing that Bachmann was wrong when she said census data had been used in WWII. Where she goes off the rails is with her ridiculous, paranoid claim that the Obama administration is going to use it to put people in internment camps. The woman is a full-blown kook.

289 westman  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:32:22am

Where Bachmann goes wrong is in her “solution”, if I can dignify it with that term. It’s not a good idea for a member of Congress to be urging people not to cooperate with the census.

And as a political matter it’s hard to imagine a more self-defeating strategy for conservatives. (“Yeah, we’ll just not get counted! That’ll show ‘em!”)

Nonetheless, I don’t think she was actually arguing that internment camps are just around the corner. I took her to be saying that there is a danger of census data being misused, with the camps being a spectacular example from history. Hence, her conclusion: “Americans were told that they wouldn’t have their information used against them … they did.”

290 Crash_Test_Dhimmi  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:39:15am

re: #288 Charles

Well, people are calling Obama the new FDR.

291 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:56:05am

re: #289 westman

Nonetheless, I don’t think she was actually arguing that internment camps are just around the corner. I took her to be saying that there is a danger of census data being misused, with the camps being a spectacular example from history. Hence, her conclusion: “Americans were told that they wouldn’t have their information used against them … they did.”

Maybe you missed this part of what she said:

Here’s the other thing that will happen.

The only question is whether she’s just pandering to the fringe right, or is honestly worried that the Obama Gestapo is going to break down her door in the middle of the night and haul her family off, using a checklist from the census.

292 Oldbluesboy  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:19:58pm

Democrats want to use “sampling” in 2010 to add to the population counts in Democrat-leaning areas — meaning more seats in Congress, and more tax money sent their way.

search:
cloward piven alinsky soros Obama ACORN rathke

293 NoWhereAlaska  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:24:41pm

re: #288 Charles

Oh please. Nobody was arguing that Bachmann was wrong when she said census data had been used in WWII. Where she goes off the rails is with her ridiculous, paranoid claim that the Obama administration is going to use it to put people in internment camps. The woman is a full-blown kook.


Come on Charles. You put up a 2 minute excerpt that does not include her saying that “Obama administration is going to use it to put people in internment camps.” But then downding me because I have the audacity to suggest that there is some basis in fact for her concerns. I will grant you that she is a kook, but next time include those ‘kookism’ in the video. She raised two issues that appear to have merit. That is there is not ‘citizenship’ question, and that the Federal government has abuse the information in the past.
So I will repeat myself: this thread did not deal with the issues but consisted of more of the American ‘Politics of Personal Destruction.’ We all win when issues are the focus. Her ‘Kookiness’ could well have been an issue, but not based on that 2 minutes at the top of the thread.

294 westman  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:38:18pm
Maybe you missed this part of what she said:

Here’s the other thing that will happen.

I did see that, but it’s not clear what “the other thing” is referencing — misuse of information or the internment itself. Given her conclusion I thought it more likely to be a reference to misuse of information. Probably there was time pressure contributing to the awkward phrasing.

In another appearance on Fox News on Thursday she answered a question from Megyn Kelly as follows:

Take this into consideration. If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt, and that’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps … I’m not saying that that’s what the Administration is planning to do, but I am saying that private personal information that was given to the Census Bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up, in a violation of their constitutional rights, and put the Japanese in internment camps.

(Sorry, but the only source I could find for this in print was at [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

So I really don’t think that’s the argument she’s making, given the disclaimer in this interview.

Which is not an endorsement of her, either — I think it’s irresponsible for a member of Congress to be urging people not to participate in the census. If she’s concerned about misuse of information she should be arguing for more transparency in government or something of that sort.

295 korla pundit  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:43:24pm

ACORN is a criminal organization that hires low-level criminals and homeless addicts as its private army of corruption. I will not let them in my house. These people are druggies and thieves and possibly much worse, and they will NOT get my permission to case the joint, figure out what kind of expensive stuff I have, or add me to a list of promising places to commit a house invasion.

They can fine me if they like. But I will not participate in the disintegration of my own civil rights and the safety of my wife and children.

They’re going to make up the numbers anyway, to pad their democrat districts, so what’s the difference if I refuse to answer the doorbell. They should be happy if I leave my form blank.

296 Norm Chumpsky  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:49:15pm

I wasn’t endorsing her particular brand of Wingnutiness, just pointing out that she wasn’t wrong. I still believe her assumptions on what would be done with the information today are, but when you’re right you’re right.

297 Norm Chumpsky  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 12:50:38pm

D’oh! Meant to say ‘information today are WRONG’.

298 Oldbluesboy  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:06:37pm

re: #295 korla pundit

ACORN is a criminal organization that hires low-level criminals and homeless addicts as its private army of corruption. I will not let them in my house. These people are druggies and thieves and possibly much worse, and they will NOT get my permission to case the joint, figure out what kind of expensive stuff I have, or add me to a list of promising places to commit a house invasion.

They can fine me if they like. But I will not participate in the disintegration of my own civil rights and the safety of my wife and children.


Bravo. You nailed it!

299 westman  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 1:15:05pm

OK, I’m a bit behind on this issue —just discovered that the Thursday interview had already been posted here on LGF. In fairness, in that clip the Congresswoman does say she is not urging people not to participate in the census.

However, when a member of Congress says that she is not answering all but a couple of questions it will naturally have the effect of encouraging non-cooperation. So after seeing that I still think her emphasis is misplaced.

300 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 5:13:11pm
301 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:04:40pm

re: #300 LrdGrizzly

Bye now!

302 reaganII  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:20:25pm

Don’t be so quick to pooh pooh the census being used for Japaneses interment. I lived during that period of time. During the 2nd WW, Japanese were rounded up and put into interment camps. Read your history and don’t be so quick to say “it can’t happen”. Whats happened in the last 6 months I never thought would happen but the government has inserted itself in banking. auto companies, and are starting to go into global warming, healthcare. You are witnessing the takeover of our freedoms. You need to get involved.

303 OoGa BoOgA  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:53:37pm

I’m sorry but as much as I’ve moved to the right over the past year, I just can’t stomach Michelle Bachmann. She just always comes off like a fringe loony whenever she’s being interviewed. I’ve been so turned off by politics over the past month or so because is just gets so negative and angry sometimes. It gets lonely being polarizing.


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